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November 2012 - In denial about the six-month sleep regression

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StuntNun Thu 02-May-13 11:38:30
PennieLane Thu 02-May-13 11:44:42

First! I'm in total denial!

BigPigLittlePig Thu 02-May-13 12:22:19

<sticks fingers in ears>

La la la la laaaa, I can't heeeaaar yooooooou.

WallinoMio Thu 02-May-13 13:26:58

I am delurking (it's all I can do to read the fred let alone post) to share in the denial....DS will be 6 months next week and we're only just getting over the four month regression either that or his sleep is permanently fucked

PurplePidjin Thu 02-May-13 13:51:02

23 weeks and already regressed <yawn>

PetiteRaleuse Thu 02-May-13 15:24:43

The worst seems to be over for me <grabs onto everything wooden in sight>

Onwards and upwards

Pikz Thu 02-May-13 16:11:42

<puts headphones on>

MadamGazelleIsMyMum Thu 02-May-13 16:58:23

No opportunity for denial here - we're well and truly in the throes of it!

fruitpastilles Thu 02-May-13 17:29:02

S is 6 months in 2 weeks. I think she's breaking me in gently in preparation!

StuntNun Thu 02-May-13 19:04:17

I'm pretty sure I've never been as tired as I was today. I didn't think I was going to make it back from school this morning. Please sleep tonight J.

jakecat Thu 02-May-13 20:05:33

Also delurking (again!) to say no possible denial here either. 4 month sleep regression became 5 month sleep regression and now 6 month sleep regression looming. Eech [yawns].

YellowWellies Thu 02-May-13 21:00:26

I'm with PR smile

Clarella Thu 02-May-13 21:00:44

nope doesn't exist.

Clarella Thu 02-May-13 21:01:04

dh just isn't as thorough as me and can't be arsed with things. he's not seen the difference in g as been away. he actually said - 'oh he seems really subdued I'm not sure gavisgon is good' when basically I've realised g has been getting agitated when he's uncomfortable and hungry in the afternoons and bath. he's been so chilled this afternoon. we're so used to g being like that. but I've been syringing the gavisgon in at any opportunity which isn't always practical.

probably being a bit unfair but he just decides stuff based on nothing.

maybe we should persevere with the omprezole - can't see him taking any mind

Passmethecrisps Thu 02-May-13 21:01:23

Thank fuck for copy and paste dudes.

From last thread:
Thanks for your thoughts chaps. Very helpful.

O.M.G.! YW! That must have been shit your pants stuff! Yikeseroony!

clarella this might not work and I seem to recall that your LO does not take a dummy but you could try:

Pop LO on the floor.
Place the syringe as far back in the mouth as possible but to an angle.
Put a small amount in.
Then blow very gently on LO's face. Sort of like an extended blowing kiss.
The gentle air should encourage swallowing.
Repeat until all gone.

We sometimes do this faster by using a dummy straight after pushing the syringe. P can now take a full 1ml without stoping as she knows what to do. I very occassionally now blow as syringing if she looks a bit reluctant. The taste now also doesn't bother her.

Eventually we took to giving p her meds in a bottle mixed with a tiny amount (10ml max) of milk. On the times now when we don't give in a bottle we use the method above. There is a real knack to getting the syringe in correctly and that is easiest when thu are lying flat or just slightly raised.

Go for minuscule amounts at first. P started on 0.28ml of ranitidine. (Yes, really) and we used to give that in 4 goes. It seemed mammoth going from that to the 0.8ml she went up to within a few days.

Clarella Thu 02-May-13 21:02:42

can't remember who posted on last thread but might ask for those then thanks! (loesec?)

PetiteRaleuse Thu 02-May-13 21:04:17

yw your experience today has reminded me of why I don't get how BLW has turned into such a craze. A bit of finger food yes, but some people (I see it on MN) have only read the 'they can eat anything' thing but haven't necessarily thought through the safety aspect, basing everything on the supposed gag reflex. There was a thread the other day and some people were saying that raw apple is perfectly fine to give. Most were saying no, but some were saying go for it.

ChasingDaisy Thu 02-May-13 21:04:29

Checking in.

Off to sleep.

Goodnight all.

Clarella Thu 02-May-13 21:04:38

ooh pass will try that! thanks!

fuck you kit. day I really need to be here tomorrow!

Clarella Thu 02-May-13 21:07:58

I really liked the idea of blw and got quite excited about it. but then I was thinking - evolutionary-ily speaking would we not have chewed food up for lo to eat (thus pureed) and passed it into their mouths or hands for them to put in?

Clarella Thu 02-May-13 21:08:53

I'm off to sleep too.

fucking kit day angry

Clarella Thu 02-May-13 21:10:14

also - a friend did it to a tea with her first and he still turned out to be a fussy eater!

Passmethecrisps Thu 02-May-13 21:15:36

Me to PR. Lots of animals pre-chew or regurgitate food for babies. The whole 'straight to a full roast dinner' thing is rare. I want p to understand the point first before she actually eats things herself. For example the melon today was a big slice. She was sooking it and licking it but there was little chance of any of it coming off due to its sort of rubbery nature. An apple however, is likely to snap and actually get into their mouths.

I remember reading a blog about BLW which was ridiculously evangelical about BLW and desperately snotty about any other method. She described taking her small baby to a Chinese restaurant and plopping some spare ribs on the tray in front of him and getting great pleasure out of the looks she was getting. But what about the salt content? I genuinely don't know - is that healthy?

Being a parent is so stressful in so many ways - why do we a) feel pressures into nailing our colours to masts and b) judging others who are on different masts?

In real life I have only really felt it at the baby massage group. Strange how a group of people can make you feel judged without saying an actual word.

Passmethecrisps Thu 02-May-13 21:19:47

Hi-5 to YW for thread finishing!

TooManyDicksOnTheDancefloor Thu 02-May-13 21:20:16

Evening all. Six month sleep regression? Just as well B is only five months on Saturday, oh, there's a five month sleep regression too? <face palm> she's only just started sleeping through again angry

Hope everyone is well, we're going great guns since the lip and tongue tie revisions. B is now feeding like a demon, I'm a bit worried she'll be three stone next time I get her weighed blush.

How's slimming world going det? I lost another 3lbs this week and got slimmer of the week grin.

Checking in to new fred.

Well, time did not allow for butternut squash today (twas a bit gung-ho anyway) so we gave S some apple and mango puree from a pouch instead.

She loved the taste, didnt spit any out, but she was totally confused by the whole thing. She moved her face towards the spoon, but hasnt worked out that its usually the done thing to open ones mouth to receive food.

DP sat like shock the whole time (he hasnt much experience of babies, and DD1 isnt his) and DD1 was just waiting to eat the leftover puree.

Got my hair done <swish> love it.

Still havent heard from the blasted job. sad

Pass from the other thread, we are using the minnie mouse mothercare highchair thats in argos, tommee tippee bowls, spoons and free flow cup.

Havent bought a bib yet. Get one tomorrow when doing the big shop.

Pikz Thu 02-May-13 21:30:08

Ooob well done dicks!

Pass and pr I so agree I've just bought a book called weaning made easy that explains how you can blend the methods which is exactly what I want to do and just needed advice on what foods when and how.

Am going to attempt to keep up and be a better thread person.

VQ have finally read through today's and am so chuffed for you and j

YW that is proper scary on the choking hmm

I was very chuffed with DP I got a locket with a pic of him and a pic of LO in to keep close to me for my biff day today.. I cried! Such a pansy.

Pikz Thu 02-May-13 21:31:27

Pass I have an antilop high chair and loads of cheap TT bowls and spoons as on offer and the asda pots for freezing.

Pikz Thu 02-May-13 21:32:07

Oh and sainsburys plastic bibs look in sale bit as they are two for 1.50 and amazing!

TheDetective Thu 02-May-13 21:33:44

Hello! Well done Toomany! How many weeks have you been doing it now? Are you finding it easy?! I lost 4.5lb in the end. I've been really good, sticking within my syns. I've no reason not to loose it. I'm not cooking with oil or butter PR! no cheese on stuff, and no excess bread. My syns are saved for small chocolate or crisp treats (french fries or milky bars being my weak spot it seems!) So lots of fruit and veg, and new ways of making meals. I can make this a lifestyle change and stick to it.

Just worried about if I want to eat out. We haven't eaten an evening meal out for ages. A few lunches out - so I'm worrying about those when they come around!

Pass we have the Antilop, and some bowls and stuff from Ikea. I have a whole bunch of spoons, the munchkin ones because I liked the colours! as well as some Ikea ones. I have some Ikea bibs, but want some bigger and better ones. At the minute I feed him just in his vest to save clothing damage!

I also got the 70ml pots and trays from B&M for 1.99 and have 3 trays with 8 pots on each I think. I also have a mini food blender thing I picked up in Sainsbobs. Similar to the Tommee Tippee ones. Was £18. I use it for other stuff too now!

That's about it really! I want some soft water wipes for clean ups after. At the minute I'm using baby wipes, but they are too harsh on his skin. A muslin doesn't clean it all off, and I have flannels, but not enough it seems! Plus not practical for eating out. He had his first eating session out today. At baby group! He sat on my knee and took it really well! Other mums were commenting on how well he sat <proud mummy> and didn't send food flying all over!

O was 16lb15 today. Putting on exactly 1lb in 2 weeks. shock He's heading up the centiles and is now over the 50th.

PetiteRaleuse Thu 02-May-13 21:35:13

wanna sit tight, these things take time. Have fingers firmly crossed for you.

MsJupiterJones Thu 02-May-13 21:36:13

We are doing BLW with success so far - only hairy moment was when he sucked in a large chunk of roasted carrot and I thought we were going to have to upend him - but it came back out again. I help him hold stuff sometimes if it's a bit slippery and he is getting frustrated screaming.

Today my baby caught the sun so he looks like this blush and I also look like this blush for letting him. He did have suncream, hat, sunglasses and hoody on but the angle of the sun walking home just caught him. At least I think it's that - he had kiwi today (for the purpose of moving his bowels!) which I later realised is an allergen. He was really clingy this evening and quite ratty, fast asleep now.

YellowWellies Thu 02-May-13 21:37:31

PR the HV today gave raw apple, raw carrot etc. They also gave very acidic foods (pineapple) which I thought weren't recommended until 10 months and allergens (strawberries). I too was a bit hmm and then very shock when babies did actually choke. The HV were all 'oh the gag reflex is very powerful don't worry it'll come out' but you could tell they were bricking it too. I'm glad we tried it at the docs!!! grin

I genuinely think a bit of both - puree and BLW is the best course for us at least. My lil pudding loves purees and vampire sooking fruit and veg so at the mo' I'm going to stick with that til he matures a bit more / gets some teeth - gacky / chokey foods are just beyond him at the mo. I'm going to puree some chicken to get him started on proteins too.

TooManyDicksOnTheDancefloor Thu 02-May-13 21:39:13

I've been doing it for three weeks now det and I've lost 8.5lbs. I'm finding it quite easy so far, I've bought the 'taste of Asia' cookbook and I've cooked loads out of it, it's ace.

kirrinIsland Thu 02-May-13 21:39:56

I am hopelessly behind as usual but well dome to J VQ You must feel like a new person now smile

YW that must have been terrifying. Must refresh my first aid course.

pidj sorry about the job sad Hopefully something else will come along soon.

N's sleep is slowly deteriorating again sad she was doing so well, but the last few nights we've been back to every 2 hours. I really can't face going back to the up all night thing again - especially as I go back to work soon. Could be a 6 month regression - the 4 month one started at 10 weeks and ended at about 22 so who knows!!

TheDetective Thu 02-May-13 21:40:39

And if doing purees GET STICKERS!!! I did not. I ended up ripping bits of kitchen towel off and writing code on them for what things were! Duh! Got stickers now and cut them to size!

Pikz DP sounds very thoughtful! Good man! Happy birthday!

I'm going to go to the library to get a few different books on weaning. I keep saying I'm going. I have been saying it all week and haven't yet achieved it! D'oh!

TooManyDicksOnTheDancefloor Thu 02-May-13 21:41:30

And 4.5lbs is amazing, well done!

PetiteRaleuse Thu 02-May-13 21:41:31


That is just irresponsible yw

TheDetective Thu 02-May-13 21:47:47

YW that is the approach here too! Just a minefield of what to offer and what to avoid. Hence why I want the bloody dietician appt!

This month me and O have appts every week. Some weeks, two appts. I have smear/fanjo pain x2, and O has dietician and jabs I forgot to go on monday!!!! when they post out the new appt but will assume it will be in next 2-3 weeks. blush He should also have an appt back at paeds clinic where I work. He has one where I live too. Might go to both...!!!

So glad I am not at work - because how the feck would I juggle that on full time hours????

Toomany I'd be grateful to know any good recipes you have tried! You don't need to type them, just which ones, I'll find the recipe! We did a couple and found them all very dry. So now we are thinking for evening meals to save a few syns to have a bit of extra sauce or whatever with it. Did a creamy garlic pasta, but it was so dry. And I was very disappointed! Same for the casserole we tried. I made a chilli from my own recipe but used no oil so it was syn free. That went well. Also the spag bol is good too, but I use extra cans of tomatoes to make it really saucy!

fruitpastilles Thu 02-May-13 21:55:16

det chilli and spag bol were always my faves on slimming world and I still make them that way now. I always used quark in things like pasta it makes it nice and creamy and is free.

TooManyDicksOnTheDancefloor Thu 02-May-13 21:58:22

I haven't used many off the website det, I cook a lot of curries and Chinese food out of the Asia cookbook, the Kung Pao chicken in there is amazing! I tend to tweak normal recipes to make them syn free like you have.

TheDetective Thu 02-May-13 21:59:00

I feel really bad today. I actually judged someone for something. So not like me! Totally not like me! But I couldn't help it! The thought was there in my head before I knew it! Would you have done the same?

At the baby group a mum came in with her 9-10 month old, and he was sat up in his pram drinking a fruit shoot. My second thought was oh I bet its water or watered down juice or something in there. But the group leader made some comment to her, and she said oh he won't drink anything else, just fruit shoots.

9-10 month old baby?? Surely this is a bad thing!

I know theres shit loads on MN about fruitshoots and pombears but I'm not fussed usually. But such a young baby, it looked so very wrong!

She is an educated mum, older mum, professional career etc. So not naive. Judgy pants now away. I've done crap parenting at times too. I feel bad for judging. blush blush blush You can all shout at me now! <Runs away and hides!>

Izzybuzzybuzzybees Thu 02-May-13 22:08:34

yw not so good about that probably being an intolerance then. What do I need to cut out do you reckon?? Wheat? Gluten? I'm clueless!!!

Donnadoon Thu 02-May-13 22:09:02

Are they full of sugar then Det ? I've never tried one...kids have occasionally but they older than 10months grin

Marking place for feeding catch ups

TheDetective Thu 02-May-13 22:11:33

Yeah, full of crap. I happen to like them of course! grin. The strawberry ones mostly. I just wouldn't give them to a baby!

Izzy Not a freakin' clue either! YW is your laydeeee!

ValiumQueen Thu 02-May-13 22:13:23

All fucking gone wrong tonight. J will not settle with wind from ranitidine and beyond hysterical. Quiet in pushchair at the mo so hoping he will calm down. DD2 puking so I have been running between the two. DH works late on a Thursday. Was meant to be out tomorrow with a pal but have cancelled. Fucking bollocks!

A 9-10 month old only likes what you give them. And would never have got hooked on fruitshoots if they werent provided.

I would judge too Det and I normally couldnt care what people feed their kids. But thats very young.

TheDetective Thu 02-May-13 22:16:01

Shit fuck and bollocks VQ sad

I've got gripe water for bad wind times. He's ok generally, but do you have any in which you could try if it starts again?

BigPigLittlePig Thu 02-May-13 22:17:31

Det when working in A&E one night, a father asked me whether there was a vending machine - I told him the nurses could get him tea/coffee whatever, and he said "no, it's for some pop for the baby" and came back with a can of something for his not-walking baby. Judgy pants nearly came out my mouth they were so far hoiked up.

TheDetective Thu 02-May-13 22:20:32

I feel really bad, as I say, I'm not perfect, no one is, but it really made me shock. I'll put my non judgy cap back on and resume normal business!!!

YellowWellies Thu 02-May-13 22:22:49

Izzy I'd cut wheat for 3 weeks. On your hols that shouldn't be too hard given Spanish food - just have rice, tatties or salad rather than bread or pastry. Look at cereal and crisp packets too. As wheat allergies can be fatal it should be labeled on packaging so sadly its just a case of label checking - some labels put allergens in bold, others have a special allergy info box, others make you read the whole ingredients list (fecking bastard Asda). Always makes for a fun quick supermarket trip with children hmm

MsJupiterJones Thu 02-May-13 22:25:26

Oh no VQ sorry to hear it.

Det we've all had moments like those no matter how non judgey we are usually!

Kyzordz Thu 02-May-13 22:25:47

yw i'd really freak out at that! Am hoping to feel better after first aid thing Saturday. Was eating an apple today and e stole it, sucked it to death and then cried when I took it back! I didn't let him eat any though, not that he could get any off!

Glad weaning is going well pr and jj smile I will keep in mind your tip about butter pr smile

I am spent today. Nackered in fact! Reading Fred with much interest but that's all I can muster ATM. Loving weaning tips, am geared up to give it a go again next week -- after first aid course so I hopefully feel more confident with finger foods-- I just need to decide a plan of action still

Sooo much more I wanted to say!


det sounds like o's formula mixing is going well! As is his weight gain, bless him!

Forgot what else!

pass bless p, sounds like she liked the melon! I did the same with e and he liked sucking on it smile

Must try this papaya business.

Plan wise, if I do puréed and finger food, do I put sticks of whatever the purée is on his tray at the same time or would that overwhelm him? When i tried before he liked puréed banana and pear but wouldn't have anything to do with veg. Do I still offer veg but have fruit as back up, or offer it and if he gets pissy just call it a day for that day/meal? I know you give it for 3 days in a row but he just clamps shut at veg or he did and like izzy I don't know how to get past that

Anyway I waffle, will piss off for a bit smile

Kyzordz Thu 02-May-13 22:28:53

Ah shit vq poor j does suffer with his wind sad hope he settles soon and dd2 is ok

ValiumQueen Thu 02-May-13 22:30:29

Good point detective. I will dig out the trusty granules. It does not affect him every night. He has had two bad evenings due to wind. He is snotty tonight which did not help and may have the bug his sister has.

A fruit shoot and a greggs sausage roll is weaning with my clients and remains basic diet for some time. Not that I am generalising or indeed judging you understand.

ValiumQueen Thu 02-May-13 22:32:51

Thank you for the kind words. I will fuck odd now as I am in a filthy mood. Grr. No doubt will be up to both tonight. Grr.

TheDetective Thu 02-May-13 22:35:09

I'd just offer it Kyz and if he doesn't take it, leave him. Next meal, try again. If after 3 days he hasn't taken it, move on to the next, but remember to come back to that one at some point.

It's just my thinking though, might not be what others would do. If I could see he definitely didn't like it, I might move on quicker to the next thing.

I've done finger foods of the pureed, and other finger foods that I'd consider safe and unlikely to react to. So far he's had parsnip, carrot and banana purees, and carrot, banana, parsnip, courgette and cucumber as finger foods.

Kyz you worry too much! Believe in yourself! Stop self criticising! You are E's mummy, and you know him best! <Gives big up slaps to kyz with droopy fish remains>

YellowWellies Thu 02-May-13 22:36:46

Kyz I'd offer pureed sweet veg like parsnip or sweet potato before offering pureed fruit so as to try to encourage savoury tastes too. But don't stress it. Food is fun until they are one. Even when choking - the bear was quite jolly just a few seconds after! shock

Det I'm a Scorpio we wear our judgy pants up to our armpits. What a silly cow giving fruit shoots to such a wee one - I mean he / she clearly didn't buy it for themselves! I've a very sweet tooth but they're just sickly. With food if its aimed at kids its usually shit - apparently if you give LO a Petit filou a day (according to HVs today) - that works out at 2kg of sugar a year!!!!

TheDetective Thu 02-May-13 22:37:41

There are 25 syns in a fucking sausage roll! Dp is gutted. He's partial to a bit of Greggs! grin

He feels sad as he said there are some foods he will never eat again as he now knows how unhealthy they are! Told him to shut up and enjoy the fact he won't be knackered mid shag anymore grin tmi.

I'm wading in shitty mud with O at the minute VQ. I feel so lost with everything going on. All I want is to know the problem, and help the poor bugger!!

TheDetective Thu 02-May-13 22:39:57

Fuck that's a lot of sugar. That is almost the weight of some newborns!

I keep thinking of weight loss as how many babies I've lost. Weirdo. Keep thinking 4.5lb doesn't sound much, but when you hold a baby of that weight, you think, yeah, that's a pretty decent weight to shift!

Also a Scorpio grin blush.

Elizadoesdolittle Thu 02-May-13 22:41:34

pass DD1 loved ribs. She had them at bbqs from around 9 months onwards. We went to our local Chinese with the in laws round her first birthday and she nommed on prawn crackers, ribs and egg fried rice blush and yes, probably wasn't the healthiest but it was a special treat and no, it wasn't me that wrote the BLW showey off post!

Sorry to say it but there's no sign of a sleep regression here. In fact she hasn't had any at all. Now don't get me wrong, she's not sleeping through but she seems to have settled into a night time routine that I'm happy with.

Oh shit vq sorry.

Cacacaz Thu 02-May-13 22:51:00

Hello ladies smile also delurking

My ex boss had a patient who gave her 8 month old baby a pot noodle shock. I find it upsetting that people genuinely don't understand how nutritionally devoid some foodstuffs actually are.

I had some wonderful news today, I was offered my dream job, my face has looked like this [big grin] Dh took me out for dinner to celebrate and I had a cheeky cocktail and a massive slice of cheesecake to celebrate.

daisychain76 Thu 02-May-13 22:53:31

Well we are still in 7 month sleep regression nightmare. Rang HV today and got some advice so got everything crossed for tonight.

det l would have been totally judging. Mind you, DH remembers being given bottles of sweet tea when he was a tot!

Have discovered H loves olives today. Held one for him to have a quick suck and nearly had my finger bitten off as he nommed the lot then cried for another!

On BLW l agree some people can be ott but if you read the Gill Ripley books and website she does say leave off raw appple for a bit and gives lots of sensible advice. Personally l don‘t do the giving one thing for 3 days stuff, but we are lucky to have very little family history of allergies.

daisychain76 Thu 02-May-13 22:54:34

Congrat caca, great news!

Kyzordz Thu 02-May-13 23:01:16

Thanks both smile I will try that smile I keep letting him taste things, like the melon and the apple, but it was spur of the moment and he didn't actually eat anything.

Your weight loss is good detective, I did sw ages ago. Am a fat fuck again with no time to spare to go back. With eating out, I would double my syns for that day. Is allowed, basic mindset is whatever allowance you give, do not go over it. Don't expect to lose that week either, though I still did. I love the food at sw and have a dozen or more of the books, nomnom!

Well done to you too dicks smile

Izzybuzzybuzzybees Thu 02-May-13 23:04:10

Fabulous news cacacaz!! Well done!

ChasingDaisy Fri 03-May-13 03:03:48

Quiet on here. We had 6 nights of decent sleep but O has decided that was enough it seems.

YellowWellies Fri 03-May-13 04:04:59

First feed - a rather lovely side effect of me sleeping in a separate room - when DH brings Jonas through for his night feed he flaps his wee arms open mouthed with excitement when he sees me my boobs. Its a lovely way to wake up even if its 4 am smile

YellowWellies Fri 03-May-13 04:14:09

I should stress, reading that back, that its Jonas flapping his arms excitedly - not DH grin grin grin grin hahaha

daisychain76 Fri 03-May-13 06:37:28

grin Yw.

Up every 2 hours here ~ luxury compared to the laast 7 nights!

Pikz Fri 03-May-13 06:38:54

YW that made me grin

Well done Cazcaz wine

Right off to stop LO rolling so much he bashes his head on things...

MadamGazelleIsMyMum Fri 03-May-13 07:34:19

The whole BLW and choking thing does scare me too. We're doing a mixture - purees for getting him to taste new things and get to grips with eating. Bits of finger food while in high chair while we eat so I can eat my food without jigging him so he is included.

Well, transferring DS and the cot to his own room made fuck all difference. He stirred a few times during the evening, slept ok between me going to bed at 10 until 1am, and then was awake and shuffling about, needing dummy, odd little cry out etc every half hour or so until 4am when he decided the day would start. DD woke up as I asked DH to take DS downstairs.

WTF am I doing wrong? He cant be hungry, he has 6 x 8oz bottles of hungry formula per day, plus around 10 cubes of pureed veg/fruit/porridge. He's not apparently thirsty, as water is refused. He sleeps well and regularly during the day - usually 3 x 45min to 1hour naps and generally doesnt sleep after 4pm. He goes to bed happily between 6.30pm-7pm - he usually goes into the cot drowsy and drifts off himself ish.

If he woke in the night he used to be calmed back to sleep really easily by getting into bed with me. That doesn't seem to be working in the middle of the night. At nap time, if I cant get him to sleep on his own, if we get into my bed and I then ignore him, he seems to drift off. But not at night.

Normally I just ride out the bad sleep times, but I am back to work in 1 week, and need sleep! Any ideas how I can help him to sleep at night, and get himself back to sleep if he wakes? I don't want to, and cant, just let him cry. He'll just get more awake and angry and wake DD up who wont go back to sleep either.

Damn DH and his "once awake, the day has started" issues which he has passed on to the DC. grin

TheDetective Fri 03-May-13 07:45:43

Fucking cross angry. DP put O to bed last night as I was at SW. It's not the first bedtime he has done.

So why the fuck have I just found my child in yesterday's day time clothes complete with sock ons??? But that's nothing. He also didn't bother to change his nappy. He was in the same nappy 17 fucking hours. Im fuuuuuuurious. Fucking dickhead. My baby was soaked head to toe in his own fucking piss. angry angry angry

Oh and O was up at 3 for a night feed as DFP didn't stir him to take more of his bedtime feed last night.


PetiteRaleuse Fri 03-May-13 07:55:35

Well I started the thread saying the worst was over? Ha fucking ha.

Anyway. The gag reflex is all very well and good, but it wouldn't take all that much gagging to put a baby off food. We've all gagged on food at some point and it can be pretty scary.

Four times during the night. FOUR. She hasn't done that since she was about a week old. Just didn't seem sleepy. I happily admit to swearing at her with a nice tone of voice.

MadamGazelleIsMyMum Fri 03-May-13 08:06:29

detective I'd go fucking apeshit at my DH if he did that. Not helpful, sorry. Although it wasn't nice for O, he will be ok, and am sure that your less-than-D-P wont do it again.

BigPigLittlePig Fri 03-May-13 08:16:20

Fucking wind can kindly fuck the fuck off now so I can get some bastarding sleep.

horseylady Fri 03-May-13 08:30:13


Not has time to read. Been walking round with matchsticks in!!!

Regression city here and illness city. I hope were coming out the other side. Certainly if illnesses though the projectile vom is making me think otherwise!!

Hope you're all ok (ish?)

PurplePidjin Fri 03-May-13 08:33:28

Will try and remember what i can...

Kyz you're amazing thanks

Cacacaz congratulations thanks


I came down with a migraine last night - just what you want in the middle of music night at youth club - threw up on the way home and couldn't look at a screen all night. Luckily R slept till 12, 12:30-3:30 when i fell asleep with him in the chair blush back down 5-6 then 6:10-7 when dp took him downstairs. I woke up naturally for the first time in months shock

Looks bad written down but actually a much better night from R's point of view just mummy that's shit grin

ValiumQueen Fri 03-May-13 08:35:27

Detective that is beyond stupid! I would be furious!

Night not too bad here. Poor J could not eat this morning due to snot. Cannot find sodding nose spray!

ValiumQueen Fri 03-May-13 08:36:07

Great news Cacacaz.

PurplePidjin Fri 03-May-13 08:36:29

Oh yeah, for those with crap P's - Clarella and Det - withholding meds and not changing nappies are, technically, abuse according to the UN Rights Of The Child. Not that i think your partners are abusive but it might help you put the wind up them a bit wink

Kyzordz Fri 03-May-13 08:39:04

Morning! Good night here, stirred at 4 due to cunting coughing, but stayed asleep and got me up at 6:50, which I won't complain about

brew for the bad nights

Congrats caca!

Hey horsey! Sorry to hear of illness and regression, hope both fuck off soon

det I'd be fuming!!! Surely changing his arse was a pretty basic thing?! O has been about long enough for him to remember surely? Hopefully he won't forget in future though now after you've fumed at him and I'm guessing you would have lol!

Got mil visiting today, and need to go shopping. Anything that might be useful for me to pick up for weaning? I've got puréed things, I think I need fresh versions for steaming. What would one do with a butternut squash as finger food? Or don't you bother? I know you can do sweet potato wedges. Was gonna grab broccoli too even though I didn't purée any, see if he likes it like chasings o. Thought fruit wise I could get melon, mango, papaya, banana, apple and pear? Then veg wise carrot, parsnip, sweet potato, butternut, broccoli, normal potato?

He'll be allowed bread stuff and yoghurt/dairy too wont he? Any particular types? Or shall I still leave those alone for a bit?

What's everyone else up to? Millions of questions from the zordz today!

Kyz I will just be roasting the butternut squash. I peel and chunk mine before, some people just cut it lengthways and scoop out the seeds, then chop it once roasted.

I am doing that for S today. She wont eat any I bet, will puree and freeze some too.

I have similar questions about bread. When can that start? Dairy I know is after 6 months, but shes a week off, does a week matter?

Has anyone found a portioned yoghurt thats not full of sugar? I think full fat big tubs of plain are probably best for us for now.

PetiteRaleuse Fri 03-May-13 08:49:13

He's allowed wheat and dairy yes but look out for intolerance so don't introduce both at once? As low sugar, natural but pasteurised dairy as possible. VQ mentioned mixing home made fruit purée with natural yoghurt which makes sense. Other than that your list is pretty complete smile with the squash you could do wedges like sweet potato I think.

But remember they only eat tiny amounts, so buying all that at once might be a waste?

And bread I have offered bits of toast but she doesn't even finish half a soldier. Their stomachs are the soze of their fists, so including milk it's normal that they don't eat huge portions.

PetiteRaleuse Fri 03-May-13 08:49:55

Congratulations cacacaz I missed that post. Great news.

MsJupiterJones Fri 03-May-13 08:53:29

YW the idea of your DH flapping his arms at the sight of your boobs made me chortle very loudly.

Det that is absolutely rubbish of your DP. How can anyone leave a baby like that. Whip him with your judgey pants. Btw I also think in baby weights now. L currently weighs a stone and I need to lose about 6. Terrifying!

L's red cheeks have gone down overnight phew. Dreamt he had a full set of teeth.

PennieLane Fri 03-May-13 09:02:50

Waves at delurkers! Congrats caca!!

I'm very very worried about sleep regression now. LO woke at 2.30am last night which she hasn't done for weeks. Wasn't able to settle her till nearly 4am. She usually sleeps through.Think it might be the start. hmm hmm Forced to confront my denial!

Passmethecrisps Fri 03-May-13 09:03:19

Good morning.

First dibs to cacacaz! Huzzah! Great news for you.

D'ya know something det? Sometimes, being a softy, I wonder if you are a bit hard on your DP. Not this fucking time! What an utter bell end! What gets into him? Were O's feet ok after having sock ons on all night? Poor wee soul. It won't damage him forever but I would be beyond furious. The most basic thing is to change a nappy. I am fucked off on your behalf. ARE YOU READING THIS MR DETECTIVE? You have tested the patience of even me!

I think I might take a daunder to Aldi later and get shit loads of fruit and veg. I might get a chance at the weekend to so some stewing and mushing.

I have no idea what to suggest madam. It sounds very frustrating.

P is down for her first nap of the day. I have no idea when she actually woke up as often we go through and she is just lying there awake waiting for us. I tried popping her down and walking away. It went a bit like this:

P: oh! Hi Ewan! Hi jelly cat sheep! Hi beanie baby sheep! It's my flock! Hooray! Let's sing a song.

Some time later

P: hmm. Bit tired. Could do with dummy thing. I'll call mum.

P: oh look! It's mum! Hi mum!

Dummy in. Looks tired. Puts head to the side.

P: sleepy. Hmm. What about you dummy thing? Let me take you out and have a wee look at you.

P: oh hi dummy thing! Let's sing a song

P: hmm. Sleepy. I'll call mum.

And so on and on and on and on.

Eventually I went in and picked her up. He fell asleep immediately.


horseylady Fri 03-May-13 09:17:56

Pass- that's exactly exactly exactly what happens here. For everything

I'm shit at this!!

Evilwater Fri 03-May-13 09:19:39

Well baby evil is on antibiotics, and is getting much better. His poo was slightly mucousy. I'm sure this is because he's on the antibiotics.

P is doing my head in, have thought about throwing cups at him. He's bounding around threats like " I'll tell SS, cause YOU gave him this and now he's on antibiotics" what a dick head. Also other hurtful stuff. So hate him. Oh and the fav one at the moment is "I told you, and now your a bad mother"

I'm feeling a bit better, had a fever last night.

horseylady Fri 03-May-13 09:19:46

Oh and weaning.

He eats cheese spread on bread. Or just bread. And yogurt. He guns fruit and veg. He does not do purée any more. Unless he feels like it.

BigPigLittlePig Fri 03-May-13 09:23:40

Broken this morning. Non napping baby. Up at 4am for the second day in a row. No more than 60 minutes of sleep, max, at any time. DH has just had the brunt. Cock.

Izzybuzzybuzzybees Fri 03-May-13 09:24:15

pass your descriptions are hilarious! Love it!

We had a really bad night here. J had bottle at 7 and I fed him his next feed. He should have hada tonne of milk from ne as I was pretty full having not fed him since about 1pm and not expressed. You would expect him to sleep a good stretch after that, no? No fucking way!! He woke after two hours and wanted fucking fed!!! And again two hours after that!! Repeat til 7am! Then he had a massive feed and is happily in his high chair watching DD eat breakfast.

Im starving but attempting the whole wheat free thing and have nothing in I could eat!!!


YellowWellies Fri 03-May-13 09:25:36

Evil, Det I'm torn as to which of your DP's wins my 'wanker of the day' prize. What a pair of useless scrotums angry

<brandishes haddock, runs puffing after super fit Horsey in an attempt to administer fish slap>

If its any consolation our 6 month sleep regression lasted 12 days - much better than the month long 4 month sleep regression. He's also made massive developmental leaps and come out as such a sociable, smiley wee lad.

Evilwater Fri 03-May-13 09:31:22

Thanks yellow anyone want a nice weekend in the West Country? But I'd need some help with the patio grin


J didn't sleep between 5.30pm yesterday and 4am this morning, i'm on my knees today. sad
He's just gone back to sleep now but he's on the sofa.

ValiumQueen Fri 03-May-13 09:43:43

Horsey you are fab. That is all.

Evil your DP is very very wrong. I think it is worth considering if you are happy with him or may be happier without him. Nobody should say such cruel things.

6 month sleep regression was not noticed in this house due to no fucking sleep had for the first six months. However, he is now sleeping really well, even with a cold he did better last night than he used to.

DD2 is very tired and flat today, and wee'd on the floor. Oops.

J is asleep in his pushchair as he needs to be upright. He is very brave.

Grandma is at the school assembly and I am sad I missed it.

Thinking of Lily311 today and very grateful I still have my twat of a DH.

Pass, you paint a wonderful picture grin

As for regression this baby never slept well. Last few days have been ridiculous though. sad

horseylady Fri 03-May-13 09:48:46

yw I know I keep thinking it'll be ok lol. Just had a couple of very tough weeks!!

It'll be ok once I've got my head round lots if stuff!! Plus my horse hasn't been well and it always involves a lot of money and arguing with vets. And one if the lambs died.

And ds has stopped eating food!!!

PetiteRaleuse Fri 03-May-13 09:52:31

Horsey have you receovered from your horse injury?

Evil they are disgusting things to say, I hope you are ok. He is a twat.

evil What a twat! Why is he saying that? If Dh said anything like that to me I'd be telling him to fuck off and don't come back angry

Det what a nob! Could he just not be arsed to get him changed?

After a none napping baby yesterday, she fell asleep in the car on the way home from PIL. Left her to sleep a bit then woke her to put pjs on and feed. She had a proper paddy when Dh was getting her dressed. She was roaring she was that upset and tired and angry.

Got lots of jobs to do today and packing to finish. Need to take it all out of the cases and repack. Hope she complies.

WRT weening, M is 23 weeks today so will probably start in a few weeks. I wasn't planning on same foods for three days, do I have to? I was just going to give her bits of whatever we're having if suitable. Or some purée if not.
Also, porridge. I can't be arsed with special baby porridge. Any one know what oatso simple is like for babies as DH has that a lot? Or will I have to use porridge oats and do it properly

BigPigLittlePig Fri 03-May-13 10:10:20

I have the rage at dh today. He is not half as bad as some of the Ps but today I want to rip his head off.

After 30 minutes of failing to get F to go to sleep, I went and woke him up (9.15, so a nice lie in, no?). He muttered something about "fine fucking start to the day" and I told him to suck it up, he hadn't been up since 4 on the back of another shit nights sleep. He spent 5 minutes trying to get F to sleep, then declared, "she's not tired" and brought her downstairs. Where she has whinged and whined and shouted, because she's tired. All the while, he's making out like he's a saint and I'm the worst witch. He's taken her out for a drive now, told me to nap (I can't in the day, useless for it). I told him I couldn't fucking nap, and that one fucking nap would not correct 5 months of no sleep, and specifically would do the sum total of fuck all to help this past week.

Sometimes I feel like just walking out for the day. Leaving a stash of milk and saying, "if you're such a fucking genius, then you do it for 24 hours. And look after the house. Then see if you moan because I haven't put your fucking top in your wardrobe" angry

Feels better to write it down. Still cross though.

As you were.

ValiumQueen Fri 03-May-13 10:12:24

Fatima oat so simple is pretty processed and sugary IIRC. I would stick with normal porridge. The 3 day rule helps identify intolerances. There is no rush and once they have had a food then it can be mixed with subsequent tastes.

I am a firm believer in puree and would be having palpitations if J was given a carrot stick or melon slice.

ValiumQueen Fri 03-May-13 10:14:46

BP (((((hug)))))


My ex used to say those things. Pretty similar actually. I kicked him out when DD1 was 6 momths old. Its strange thinking DD2 is the same age now. Anyway, I never looked back.

He is a tool. Projecting his own insecurities onto you. He is wrong. Dont take anything he says on board.

You deserve so much better.

Elizadoesdolittle Fri 03-May-13 10:21:29

evil I am absolutely mortified that your "DP" could say such a thing to you. That's awful. I would seriously consider being in a relationship with my DH if he ever said anything like that to me. Do not listen to him. He is a complete twunt. End of.

And detective words fail me! What is wrong with the quiche partners today?

The house is silent as DD1 is at preschool and E is asleep. The sun shining so we are off to a country park wih friends this afternoon and then tonight I'm out for dinner with some friends. Going for a Thai, I love Thai. Today is a good day.

Elizadoesdolittle Fri 03-May-13 10:24:54

Gosh bigpig sorry to hear of another twunting DP. Enjoy the silence whilst he takes her for a drive. Hugs.

PetiteRaleuse Fri 03-May-13 10:36:40

The problem with abusive gits, as your OH is, evil is that the longer we stay with them the more they get away with as we become conditioned to the abuse, and grateful when they are nice. This is the third or fourth serious nastiness from him that I remember you mentioning on these threads. You can do far better than that evil

Repeats the abve for chasing

Just checked and the oat so simple just has rolled oats and a stabiliser in so should be fine albeit more expensive than a bag of oats.
DH tends to have some for breakfast on a weekend so thought it would be easy if M could have a couple of spoonfuls of his

MadamGazelleIsMyMum Fri 03-May-13 10:38:30

evil hugs. That is a very shitty thing to say. DH and I are capable of saying some vile things to each other in arguments, but we know if we cross the line and an apology would happen and an acknowledgement that it was said to hurt, and not meant. I know every relationship is different, but if DH said something like that I could forgive it if it was heat of the moment and a very sincere apology was made. Anything less, and there would be a problem.

pass you are very funny.

bigpig sorry for your woes, but vent more often, that was funny. Am not laughing at the rage, but just so completely empathise. DH sometimes "humorously" hmm asks me what I have been doing all day / where something of his is that I don't care about. But he knows he will be laughing on the other side of his face when he's doing SAH duties and I come home from work. Not that I will visit some of his "humour" upon him, oh no <mwah ha ha>

eliza sounds like a nice day.

fatima what about readybrek? Not a special baby one, piece of piss to make, I started using it when DD was weaning as it is what her nursery give the babies. She still likes to eat some now.

lily not sure if you are reading, but you are in my thoughts a lot. Like VQ said, my DH is not perfect but I am remembering to treasure him.

Day on my own today. Avoiding the work return prep I should be doing (checking suits fit and whether I have tights) and manically sorting and re-sorting stuff, making ebay piles, charity shop piles etc. I sort and de-clutter when stressed. Wish I could apply this discipline to weightloss attempts. Then this eve we are off to visit family for the weekend. Minus DH who is working /xboxing /sleeping. I am seriously considering handing the kids over to my mum and waltzing down to the spa hotel for a night.

S just gagged and choked a bit on some butternut squash, then looked at me as if to say "why would you do this to me?"

Not sure that she gets its food and is difderent to her teething toys/hands/feet. But we shall see.

The spoons I bought are far too long for her. Going on a search today for short spoons!

MsJupiterJones Fri 03-May-13 11:18:26

Pass that's hilarious, sounds just like the kind of conversations L has with me! Love it.

Evil that is bloody awful. Please don't stand for it. You are a fantastic mum thanks

Kyzordz Fri 03-May-13 11:30:44

Yes pr I think it might be an idea to just get a couple of each fruit and veg rather than all of them, because of them going to waste. I won't introduce any new things like bread or dairy at the same time because of intolerances, just in case smile.

Lol pass your description made me laugh!

horsey I've had a few slappings with the really disgustingly dead now quiche fish and I think it's your turn now! You are not shit at all! I bet ds is just going through a phase re: purée refusal

evil sorry to be blunt but your p sounds like he can be a right wanker sad he says some awful things sad I hope you and baby evil are both ok and feeling better

bplp sounds like you need a brew, you too izzy and tits

wanna I got some quite short ones from tesco, think they are tescos own weaning spoons

Bloody nap refuser!! I need to do jobs, it's like she knows

PetiteRaleuse Fri 03-May-13 11:33:56

Apparently there's another sleep regression round about 9 months, then at a year, then at 18 months. Yay.

MadamGazelleIsMyMum Fri 03-May-13 11:35:14

Thanks PR

<replaces quiche fish with gun and shoots self>

Cacacaz Fri 03-May-13 11:35:28

Evil that is such a shitty way to treat you, no one deserves to be spoken to like that. He is a pathetic excuse for a man. I would be seriously considering my future with Dh is he spoke to me like that. You deserve so much better.

Detective that's disgraceful, what on earth was he thinking.

Bigpig hugs

Lily is in my thoughts right now too

Pass sorry that made me laugh. Murray managed to kick the button on his mobile at 4am this morning, the began to serenade us by singing along to the tune.

Eliza enjoy your lovely day

Looking for some advice ladies. I want to thank a friend and treat her, but unsure of the best way to do so. My options so far are bouquet of flowers ( too boring?) an afternoon tea with a glass of champagne each or her and her husband are going to a local spa tomorrow so considering paying for her to have an extra treatment.

We have a lovely weekend planned. Today we are off to meet with some if the mums and babies form my Daisy Birthing Class over massive slabs of cake coffee. Tomorrow it's our nephews birthday party and then a family tea in the evening. On Sunday we have decided to take M to Edinburgh zoo because Dh and I love the zoo to see the pandas.

MadamGazelleIsMyMum Fri 03-May-13 11:44:03

cacacaz I don't think thanks are ever boring, I absolutely love to receive them. Spa treatments difficult unless you know someone really well, perhaps? Or you can get all sorts of things delivered as a surprise, I have organised balloons, cupcakes, wine for friends before.

PetiteRaleuse Fri 03-May-13 11:56:12

cacacaz flowers are always welcome here. Not plants though as they just die in my house. That or afternoon tea with champers sounds lovely. I live just 5 miles from a spa town and never go.

Izzybuzzybuzzybees Fri 03-May-13 12:05:40

I think the afternoon tea is a good idea cacacaz. Would mean you can thank her in person and also have a wee blether at the same time :-) I also love cakes so that may be swaying me slightly!!

Passmethecrisps Fri 03-May-13 12:28:08

evil the thing that really gets me about your DH's comments is just how completely irrational they are. He's going to go to SS? Really? He should try. I can only imagine the reaction of any duty SW if he was to go in and actually 'report you'. I do get that some relationships can be quite volatile and this is how both parties work but the thing here is that there are three in this relationship now. N will soon be hearing and understanding these things. I have a friend who finally left her husband after many years of similar stuff when her daughter cried because 'daddy spoke to me like he speaks to you'. Desperately sad and completely unnecessary.

BP I don't think some chaps get it do they? 30 minutes alone does not a recovery make! I wonder if BF means that the gents know they are safe from you abandoning ship for too long so they can push their flipping luck?

Did you catch horsey, YW? Good job! horsey you have been physically hurt recently as well as emotionally. Don't be so hard on yourself.

Glad J is being a brave boy VQ. Poor wee sausage hasn't had his troubles to seek.

cacacaz my vote is for the champagne cream tea. Or a beauty treatment that you know she would like - for example I am allergic to nail varnish so a manicure might not be worth if. Oh and I am soooooooo jealous of your zoo visit. Might give p her first safari park visit soon.

I was thinking about hitting the pound shop today - do you ladies think I could get some weaning malarkey there?

YellowWellies Fri 03-May-13 12:32:25

Det why didn't he change O's nappy? If the answer includes the word Xbox I would go mumpy. 17 hours unchanged is my definition of neglect FFS angry

My DH isn't perfect but god he's coming across as man of the year. These rude, thoughtless, mean spirited fellas don't desire sex let alone devoted partners and children angry

Caz I'd get her a voucher for a spa treatment. smile

Getting the bear weighed this afternoon. Its been weeks - I wonder how fat he is? Given he's 27 weeks it'd be nice if he is 15lb+ but I'm not sure - he's so dinky compared to babies we see at baby groups. I think I might be judging a bit unfairly as I'm BF, he has CMPI and was early - he might never get the sturdy roundness of some FF babies - especially those without reflux, I need to remember I'm comparing apples with oranges.

Our dietician is popping round with calcium and vitamin D supplements for me and to see how weaning take 2 is going. How nice is that?! smile He had 1/2 cube papaya today and loved it. Tomorrow and Sunday he's going to have a cube and if all well two on Monday, then I'll introduce something else. Baby steps and super slow seems to be best for us smile

YellowWellies Fri 03-May-13 12:39:26

Pass I meant to say - for weaning get some silicon ice cube trays put the puree in, freeze for 24 hours and because they're silicon they're easy to pop the cubes out of - and store them in zip lock plastic freezer bags. We've got some great ones you can write the contents and dates frozen on. It means you don't need to buy expensive pots for the freezer. I've got a freezer drawer full of over 200 puree cubes now shock and just get them out one at a time a couple of hours before needed. I reckon between the four trays and freezer bags - I've spent £7 grin

Passmethecrisps Fri 03-May-13 12:39:47

I was thinking the same about my Dh YW! He said to me the other day that he was amazed at what I achieve in a day because he knew he would get nothing done. I gave him an extra squeeze last night thinking of lily. Some of the quiche partners could do with bearing in mind just how lucky they are in so very many ways.

Passmethecrisps Fri 03-May-13 12:45:27

Awesome YW!
I do have one silicon tray - with cubes which are cat shaped. How could any baby refuse?

Passmethecrisps Fri 03-May-13 12:48:42

Actually. I have just found silicon muffin trays and those wee tiny silicon cupcake things. The muffin ones would be good for when she is eating more wouldn't they?

Roopoo Fri 03-May-13 13:02:48

Sorry never post and not too successful at lurking as you ladies can chat.
But whoever recommended me vaseline for cradle crap. Thank you it has worked wonders.

In a muddle of sleep deprived pnd here. Im going to admit defeat and go back on meds.

YellowWellies Fri 03-May-13 13:26:09

Roo that's not defeat its making use of modern medicine - you'd want a cast on a broken arm? Surely its no different. Welcome back xxx

ChasingDaisy Fri 03-May-13 13:33:24

Hello chatty quiche smile

Firstly, useless partners...

Evil that was a truly horrendous thing to say. I am in no position to give relationship advice but you in no way deserve to be spoken to like that.

Detective did he just forget?! That's ridiculous. Poor O. I would be fuming.

Pig sounds like a serious lack of empathy going on there. I reckon he would get a massive shock with 24 in charge of baby and house.

Stunt did you have a better night last night?

Lily am thinking of you today.

Pass you never fail to make me chuckle. You have a wonderful way with words.

Am continuing to take it slowly with weaning as O is only 22 weeks. Giving him veg sticks to nom on at dinner time and will try fruit puree next week.

Me and O went on a mini adventure today. Inspired by the quiche, we went searching for a park with swings. Found one a half hour walk away and he had a go on the swings and slide. I enjoyed it much more than him grin

Came home and I have never seen him so chatty. Think the sun agrees with him. Must buy sunhat and suncream for him tomorrow.

Unmumsnetty (((hugs))) Roo Agree its not admit defeat, it's treating a medical problem. If you had diabetes or an infection you wouldn't try battle on with no medication would you? Glad the cradle caps cleared up too smile

YW I too feel like DH is super husband compared to some, although at times he can piss me off a little, it's normally me being irritable rather than him. Apart from the snoring and sleep twitching and tooth grinding. During the day he's super husband, at night he's the most annoying man ever wink
Can't even begin to imagine what Lily's going through. Hope she's ok today

Right, packing done. Two suitcases both weighing around 18kg according to my dads luggage scales, I hope they're accurate.
Just got to sort hand luggage, clean guinea pigs ready for my sister to collect them, quick clean and vac of the house and cook tea.
Oh and I can't find my bloody plug adapter angry

Not sure what to do with M routine wise tonight, might try put her down earlier. We're setting off at 2am, she normally wakes for a feed around half one so will feed, change and put in car seat then

TheDetective Fri 03-May-13 15:56:21

I'm dyyyyyyyyyyying. Help! I have O's cold. But it feels like fucking flu! Or the start of it confused. I'm sniffing, coughing, throat like razor blades, but most of all my muscles ache from head to toe, and I feel so fucking lethargic.

Thank you for lambasting DP. He fucking needs it. I am furious with him. He's fucking stupid. He said he just forgot. As it was, I was at home, but was getting ready to leave. DP came back downstairs at 7.15 having only gone up with him at 7. I commented on how quick he was, and he just gave me a smug look and said he went down easily.

I had already reminded him about his medication, and did he have a muslin cloth for feeding when he took him upstairs. He had neither. I didn't think I needed to remind him to change his fucking nappy and undress him. angry

It isn't as if it is the first time he has put him to bed confused and he has given me a hand bringing things to me as needed usually, so he knows what needs doing.

Good fucking job I'm not back at work.

I also pissed the bed last night.

I am not in a good fucking mood. angry

However, the good news is I lost 3lb on the scales today. So thats 7.5lb off in 8 days. I did double triple check by moving scales around room in case it was an accident. No, definitely 3lb off. Awesome.

Will try and reply to others in a minute...!

kirrinIsland Fri 03-May-13 16:11:45

Congrats cacacaz smile Thats great news

det what a twunt

evil he says some awful things to you - are you sure he's worth it?

roo taking the meds isn't admitting defeat - do what you need to do to get better thanks

Izzybuzzybuzzybees Fri 03-May-13 16:12:46

Oh dear det that doesn't sound good, especially the flu like illness and also wetting the bed! Never good!

Good news on weight loss though, although if I were you I'd stop weighing yourself at home so much and just go to your group weigh in!

kirrinIsland Fri 03-May-13 16:13:37

Cross post det well done on the weight loss - you doing brilliantly

ValiumQueen Fri 03-May-13 16:23:11

Better to wet the bed than shit the bed.

TheDetective Fri 03-May-13 16:26:55

Evil sad he's being a knob is it catching??! I'd call his bluff and then laugh at him when he gets shown up.

Madam I love flowers. I'd go for flowers!

TheDetective Fri 03-May-13 16:28:47

True VQ grin. There seems to be a lot of bedwetting in my house last night hmm.

Can only assume I need to do even more PF's sad Maybe I was coughing in my sleep? hmm

Izzy I just worry that I'm not doing it right, I will stop weighing after a couple of weeks. Once I've got the hang of it all!

TheDetective Fri 03-May-13 16:59:51

I think I am paranoid as when I thought I was making healthier choices, I managed to put on 1 1/2 stone. In just a few fucking weeks. GRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!

BigPigLittlePig Fri 03-May-13 18:18:14

Any thoughts on why LO keeps rubbing frantically at her nose?

Detective well done on weight loss. Shame about <whispers> bed-gate.

Cacacaz congratulation, that's lovely news.

Chasing glad you managed to find a park, it's lots of fun for parents the wee ones.

ChasingDaisy Fri 03-May-13 19:03:16

Caca congratulations smile thanks

roo I have been back on antidepressants for a month now and feel a lot better for it. Hopefully you will have similar success.

Anybody else's baby have/had a flat spot on their head? O's head is very flat on one side. HV has said not to worry and it will right itself etc but it seems to be getting worse if anything. He only really spends time on his back at night as he naps on me mostly and is spending more time in his snug chair.

So when can we expect our babies to say their first word? I call O baba a lot. Probably more than I call him Oscar. Today he kept saying it smile I know he is just mimicking but I was still impressed.

I think posted on here before about my problems with my hands - damaged nerve at my elbow means I have a weak grip. Well today O was laying in the crook of my arm for a nap and ever since I have lost the feeling in the left hand side of my arm and my pinky sad

Clarella Fri 03-May-13 19:12:59

roo not defeat just some mental scaffolding much in the same way you'd get a cast if you broke your leg.

evil what a total idiot. sad

great news cacaz!

det shock nappyangry

survived kit day - relatively easy as was a training day on 'coaching'. took most of us most of the day to get our heads round what the hell that was. but basically mentoring without giving info or suggestions, asking the right open ended qs yo help them find their own answers. it was hard but we've been encouraged to practise at home. so next time Dh says 'what is he wearing today?' instead of huffily chucking some clothes at him I'll say 'what do you think you would like him to wear today' ..... hmm yeah. risky.

ha pidj well doc pointed out gavisgon would block action of omeprozole so dh right this time grin .

WHOEVER suggested the blowing on face trick thanks sooo much - still not great, think 1 ml went in but we're persevering. last night was bad, lots of twisting and issues feeding this morning. waking up screaming from deep sleep. (I'm so used to that now sad ) doc said it's notoriously rank and said if still no joy next week to try ranitadine but that it's effective stuff so a low dose may have an effect. will persevere by splitting it up in day and maybe ask about if it can be made without peppermint taste or see if they can get it the way you described detective

interestingly he mentioned a chiropractor might be worth a try which a mum at our sling meet swore by. any quiche thoughts?

Clarella Fri 03-May-13 19:13:40

meant to add big hugs for you roo too.

YellowWellies Fri 03-May-13 19:31:38

Clarella I've heard similar said about chiropractors too. Am thinking about trying some alternative therapies to supplement conventional treatment. Hell I'll try anything to get him to grow out of this quicker.

The bear is 14 lb 10. I'm happy with that. Also he's gone up to the 9th centile smile from being between the 2nd and 9th.

To beat Det's judgy pants incident yesterday I have two - one a cystic fibrosis baby at the clinic weigh in surrounded by smoking parents (the poor little dude was on oxygen) having a fag in the rain before going in. sad. (As an ex smoker I can almost understand the 'have a fag before stressful appointment' mentality but it did make me facepalm).

And one that really upset me, a cute three year old being looked after by Granny who was off her tits / weaving / leaning against the wall / reeking of beer pissed. Poor little mite was dirty, smelly and clearly desperate for affection.

Some kids don't stand a chance do they? sad sad sad sad sad

Clarella Fri 03-May-13 19:33:24

oh but Dh did take it upon himself not to give any nystatin today for the remains of the thrush still on his tongue after I was specifically told by the doc to continue. angry

Clarella Fri 03-May-13 19:40:14

that's great news yw!

sad sad to those bairn stories.

the doc said he'd seen amazing results from chiropractors for reflux. I've been told by so many now plus have a recommendation I'm thinking it might help. he's always done so much back arching anyway I feel he's quite stiff necked. also sling mum yesterday said tt can give an ache and my own mum currently suffering from reflux says she gets neck and head aches. am going to see if meds help first though and get on an even keel with that.

BigPigLittlePig Fri 03-May-13 19:48:29

Oh YW that's so sad sad

My mum suggested cranial osteopathy for Fs reflux/sleep avoidance, but haven't done anything about it yet, as costly vet bills have put paid to anything other than the basics for a while. I would love to know if it helps though. Starting to lose hope that she'll ever sleep properly at night - and back to work in 8 weeks.

Clarella could you sneak some extra doses of nystatin in - 1 at bed, and 1 in the middle of the night, then he should only have missed 1 or 2 during the day.

BigPigLittlePig Fri 03-May-13 19:50:26

Am going to put F to sleep on her front tonight. Despite generations of people doing this, the paranoid part of me is screaming SIDS SIDS SIDS. Idiot.

All packed and ready to go! Hopefully we'll be well under the luggage allowance.

QQ - if I want to give M water in Majorca what do I give her? Revisin? And do I boil it first?

PetiteRaleuse Fri 03-May-13 19:55:41

pig LO rubs her nose when she is tired.

yw that's horrible sad (and I say that as a smoker)

PetiteRaleuse Fri 03-May-13 19:56:32

fatima Evian and Cristalline are ok to give to babies. No need to boil. I'm sure you can get Evian over there

Passmethecrisps Fri 03-May-13 20:08:47

Glad it helped clarella. I find that technique really works with P.

Was this round your neck of the woods YW? Some children would amaze you though. They have astonishing resilience and an ability to succeed against all the odds. I have had some amazing, amazing children in my care who have been like a two fingers up to every drunken granny and smoking parent of a child with CF.

Passmethecrisps Fri 03-May-13 20:10:04

And p is also a frantic nose rubber when tired.

YellowWellies Fri 03-May-13 20:16:14

Actually Clarella its cranial osteopathy we've had recommended - think I might book him a session with a lady in Edinburgh we've had recommended. We've also finally got a paediatrician referral for him smile smile smile all thanks to our amazing dietician

BPLP my wee niece who was three months prem and who has dreadful reflux slept on her tummy when wee - it was the only way she would sleep. Given her prematurity she was at much higher SIDS risk but her docs still okayed it. Just be careful of other risk factors exposure to smoke, drinking when BF, loose bedding, overheating etc.

BigPigLittlePig Fri 03-May-13 20:16:40

Well tiredness is certainly plausible 4am will do that to you, funny that she's never done that before. Maybe she's hit a new level of tired like her mother

BigPigLittlePig Fri 03-May-13 20:18:38

The cat is going back in the utility room tonight. He's done recovering and back to being a right PITA. So far tonight he's half eaten the defrosting lasagne which was going to be my lunch tomorrow, attempted to nom one of Fs syringes, and is currently attempting to dig a hole to Australia via the underneath of the sofa. Bloody expensive pest.

YellowWellies Fri 03-May-13 20:19:12

Yep pass at the St Brycedale clinic then the post office in Kirkcaldy Tesco. I love Fife but you do see some sad sights sad glad to hear some get through despite their parents smile

Passmethecrisps Fri 03-May-13 20:25:54

Kick a ball in any direction in Kirkcaldy and it could land in either abject poverty or astonishing wealth. Neither direction guarantees good parenting sadly.

BP I threatened our kitty with eBay. 5am 'good morning's are simply not on. How old is pussypig?

PurplePidjin Fri 03-May-13 20:27:11

BigPig R has been sleeping on his front since he was 4 weeks old - they get slightly warmer but it's perfectly safe as long as you have no other risk factors for SIDS (smoking, new mattress) He wears wool longies (nappy cover), a long sleeved tee shirt and a 2.5 tog sleeping bag smile

Passmethecrisps Fri 03-May-13 20:36:46

Our 'off to buy shit for weaning' adventure went to a pile of arse earlier.

We were gone 3 hours and came home with one spoon and a bowl. The weather was DREADFUL! I left in sort of drizzle and by the time we were set to come home it was torrential. DH came home from work, collected the car seat and rescued us thankfully!

i am starting to wonder if P is beginning to get eating now. I was in M&S cafe have a coffee principally so I could feed P. she was standing on my legs while I was waiting for her bottle to warm and as I lifted my coffee cup to my lips she frantically reached out with both arms and had sort of suck lips. I can see us having a proper go next week at some point. She will be 25 weeks on Monday.

Oh and today I discovered that P LOVES the telly tubbies

YellowWellies Fri 03-May-13 20:38:43

Pass you're about the most Zen person I've ever met - you always see the best in people and situations. I'm a big ol bitch sadly confused

Passmethecrisps Fri 03-May-13 20:39:06

Oh! And is it odd that she most seems to get liquids? Does that make sense? She clearly wants a shot out of cups and glasses. If you hold a cup to her lips she tries to drink. Maybe she will be on a liquid diet!

Passmethecrisps Fri 03-May-13 20:44:12

blush YW. I do have a shit list ya know. Once a person goes on it there is no way off it. Uh-uh. I am a bit instinctive about people. Some people go on the shit list before they have even opened their mouths.

But I am also a softy.

TooManyDicksOnTheDancefloor Fri 03-May-13 20:45:50

B had a session with a cranial osteopath before having her lip and tongue ties released. The osteopath also held her head during the procedure and worked with her after it too. We're going for a follow up session next week. She was able to pinpoint the tightness in one side of her neck due to her being stuck during delivery, this is why she doesn't like to feed from evil left boob, she couldn't rotate her head as well to her right side. She seems to have fixed this now and she feeds fine. We're having a follow up session next week, it's all very interesting!

Sorry you're feeling shit det, it can only be good for weight loss though hey!

PetiteRaleuse Fri 03-May-13 20:49:38

Well I have discovered that LO eats much better if she feels she is sharing with DD1. So I give the both a purée pot and DD1 feeds them both. OK sometimes she shoves the spoon in a little far hmm but it has turned eating into a game. Of sorts. Oh well, just got to teach her how to change nappies, give her steroids so she can lift LO and then I can be off on a lovely long holiday grin

The other day LO was crying and Dd1, obviously imitating her dad (she's not that far in advance after all) said "essaye la tetotte!" , 'try giving her the dummy'

I shall soon be redundant in this household grin

My fucking cat, not content with vomiting all over the house, and on the deckchair cushions outside, just this evening killed a beautiful bird in the garden. It was still warm when I trashed it gave it a dignified burial.

No. More. Pets.

I have always been of the belief that no home is complete without a cat.

I hate admitting I am wrong but my garden would be a whole lot more complete without my fucking bastard cats.

May mother nature do her work.

ChasingDaisy Fri 03-May-13 20:49:47

Pass O seems to 'get' drinking too. He loves watching me drink and tries to drink out of my water bottles. An full Evian bottle is his favourite toy - I'll post evidence on FB. Reminds me, I must give him another go of the sippy cup.

PetiteRaleuse Fri 03-May-13 20:50:42

<elbows everyone out of the way to ask if I am on Pass's shitlist>

Evilwater Fri 03-May-13 20:58:13

Hello all, I've read some of the posts. Thanks for all of the support.

decetive our p make a right pair. Should Leave them in a pit?

If I could snap my fingers, then yes I would be gone from here. We are both snapping at each other, both tired and very stressed. n is not well, and I'm also not well. I'm not making excuses but this is how things are.


ChasingDaisy Fri 03-May-13 20:59:34

Evil I get the snapping the fingers thing. I have often felt the same.

BigPigLittlePig Fri 03-May-13 21:02:42

This morning I turned my back for 2 seconds and F swiped my fruit toast and nommed it. Well, sucked the butter off it confused. Not sure this constitutes being ready though, as the rug/cats tail/mussy/my hair also go the same way. She did have some more banana for tea though so I can show dh banana poo

Pass cat is 3 this summer. He was born 1 week before dhs and my 1st date. On our 1st date, dh took me to a "very special place" I thought it was going to be some dark alley which was his best mates house hmm. Their cats had just had kittens, and 8 weeks later one of said kittens had found its way home with me. The best mate said she would throw it down a well if I didn't have it think she was joking

PR when my brother was born, I demanded pots of pureed prunes off my mum. Yum!

Evilwater Fri 03-May-13 21:14:54

chasing- I'd have no idea where to start, if I was to move out.

I'm glad so many of you are having good times with weaning. N has just started to get hungry now, a good sign he's on the mind.


Izzybuzzybuzzybees Fri 03-May-13 21:28:52

Have been out so not managed to give j the 7pm bottle we had introduced. Last night was ridiculous for waking and feeding. He fed every two hours near enough! Wonder how direct BF will go tonight...

On the plus side DH is now off work for 16 days! Yay! On the holiday countdown now smile

fatima have a lovely holiday!

Passmethecrisps Fri 03-May-13 21:41:11

Lol pr! There are no quichesters on my shit list. Even if there were you would not be near it.

My shit list is an instinctive, almost primal thing. Not shittin ya. It is like I can smell total cunts. DH has promised never, ever to ignore my cuntdar ever again.

evil you know how you guys work. You know what is acceptable within the boundaries of your own home. Some people would find my house very weird. Just make sure you alway come here for a sound off and know that you could cope alone . . . If you had to.

Clarella Fri 03-May-13 21:43:22

thanks pass!

I've also had cranial o recommended and a cranial sacrum specialist too!! dunno which to choose! a friend is an osteopath so might pick his brains.

Passmethecrisps Fri 03-May-13 21:44:54

Aw BP that is very romantic! Crispcat is very old in comparison. She is about 12 or so. Not sure because we got her from the SSPCA.

Clarella Fri 03-May-13 21:45:58

pass g's little due date buddy gets cups and bottles but refuses an actual bottle. she keeps swiping them when we're out in cafe's at only 21 weeks!

Passmethecrisps Fri 03-May-13 21:47:51

I had wondered about cranial shiz as well. P seems to twist her head at a very odd angle sometimes. Specifically when feeding. I asked the nurses when she was hospitalised and they said they had noticed but assumed that it was due to me only recently (two weeks previous) stopping BF. But P never actually BF. I pumped exclusively.

Ach well.

DH and I are eating cheese and listening to old skool gangsta shiz. Bring on Nate Dog!


The flat head thing. Do you notice he favours looking to one side more? Is the flat bit at one side or right at the back?

S had physio for positional talapes (sp?) and the physio noticed she was favouring looking and holding her head to the right. It meant that that bit of her head was going flat at the back. She said it was some muscle thing that can happen during the birth, especially if it was a quick birth. She did some exercises with it and got us to encourage S to look the other way. It was fixed very quickly.

So if the flatness is uneven dont let your HV fob you off. Ask for a physio referral.

If it is right at the back then S is the same and I think it will fix itself once they start sitting up more.

TheDetective Fri 03-May-13 22:04:38

Interesting talk about alternative therapies. It's my next shot once we have O weaned on the spuds CMPI formula. We had really good service from Tesco pharmacy of all places today. I only had one tub of the stuff, and was expecting it to last the weekend, as I didn't think O would be taking bigger mixed amounts so soon.

GP did the prescription, but wasn't ready til 5pm. Tesco Pharmacy ordered the milk in anyway without the px so it was there when we took the px in. They even rang the wholesalers to make sure they had it as I needed it by the end of tomorrow, and tomorrow being a saturday and all.

The last time I tried to actually buy it, it was a total nightmare, so expected similar. Phew.

So tomorrow going to try O with 1oz LF and 7oz cmpf if he takes that fine he should take it without any by Sunday.

Need to make up a whole new batch of purees though!

When should I expect to see difference? 6 weeks? Or sooner?

Have fun on your holibobs Fatima so jealous! Would love a holiday. No chance here!

Chasing O has a flat head at the back - did you notice it? I'll take a picture of it tomorrow. His is pretty directly at the back. Odd as he usually sleeps with his head one side or the other - no real preference. I noticed it about 6 weeks, and it was a sudden appearance, got worse every day for a week and then it stopped. confused

He also has a bald patch in the same area. hmm I spoke to the HV at the time who said to observe and go back to them if it got any worse. It didn't, so I've left it for now.

TheDetective Fri 03-May-13 22:06:09

Fucking hell. This diet thing is fucking expensive. shock

DP just told me we have spent our entire months food budget in 2 weeks. shock shock shock

Pikz Fri 03-May-13 22:10:28

Roo big hugs

We have been to a cranial oesteo after the breech birth. Found it absolutely fab for LO completely chilled him out.

Izzy hope the night is a better one

Evil I could not live with someone who spoke to me like that. Huge hugs.

Det he is a complete wally... I hope you have slapped him about a lot.

Been making LO eat green stuff the last few days as I was frightened he would think all foods were orange. He eats all of it hit still prefers butternut and pears. So I've made butternut and leek and also butternut and spinach for him to try along with pear mixed with plum.

ValiumQueen Fri 03-May-13 22:11:44

Another shit night for settling due to fucking wind. Gave granules which helped. I am sick of this cycle of being better for a week then getting worse again. I am not looking for it or doing anything to make him worse honest!

Would gaviscon negate the effect of the ranitidine as well? I think my next move will be swapping to carobel.

Buying parsnips tomorrow. Can deny the wee man no longer.

DD1 has an electronic pet. In its fridge there are over 40 of each food type available in the app including sweets and junk food. It is proving an interesting lesson in budgeting as she has no coins left for clothes or medicine grin it is also much much fatter than my pet.

ValiumQueen Fri 03-May-13 22:15:48

Detective an improvement should be seen fairly quickly but can take up to six weeks for full therapeutic effect. You have the advantage that the reflux is being properly treated. Why do you need to make new puree?

ValiumQueen Fri 03-May-13 22:17:17

All my babies have had bald patches at the back.

YellowWellies Fri 03-May-13 22:19:46

VQ it might be he needs a stronger antacid - omeperazole maybe? Also wind is a feature of CMPI especially if he has secondary lactose intolerance, so it might not necessarily be meds related.

I felt the same when we were working out which meds worked best for J - you feel like some Münchhausen's nightmare back at the docs again and again. It will get easier xxxx

ValiumQueen Fri 03-May-13 22:24:14

YW his wind was so much better on the LF milk even, and no problems on the Nutramigen until the ranitidine started. To be honest I think the reflux was less painful than the wind, but he is sleeping so much better. I dread going back to the doctor as he will say some smart comment about trying yet something else. I will call the dietician and ask her to liaise.

ValiumQueen Fri 03-May-13 22:26:52

Off to sleep hopefully. I left the pet on downstairs and DH jumped out of his skin when it woke up, as it sounds like a gremlin. He was not amused! grin

TheDetective Fri 03-May-13 22:30:54

His purees have LF milk in VQ. Mind you I think he is ready for them without milk in.

Feel the same about it all. Feels like improvement with the new 'addition' of whatever is tried. Then back to square one.

I said to DP earlier, it is hard to remember the O before all this began. He was a chilled out, happy little baby. We used to say to each other how lucky we were. We haven't said that for a long fucking time. hmm

TheDetective Fri 03-May-13 22:32:37

YW I envy how you have managed to get a dietician etc.

Feel like we are sinking in shit half the time. I was holding back the tears at clinic on Thursday. I feel so fucking pissed off that everything I try is me making the change - no one is helping or giving advice.


GTbaby Fri 03-May-13 22:32:37

Phew I found you. grin

TheDetective Fri 03-May-13 22:46:21

Hows things GT!!!

Izzybuzzybuzzybees Fri 03-May-13 22:55:43

Night Shit here already. He went to bed at 10pm, which us early for him, ans woke up and is feeding again!

MissMummy1 Fri 03-May-13 22:57:29

Congrats cacacaz !

Have a lovely holiday fatima

Hope everyone else is doing good.

We hsve had a lovely day. DP accompanied us to baby sensory this am. We then sacked our visit to the zoo when the weather turned nasty and spent a fortune in had a wander round IKEA. We then joined a cash and carry - would have been easier joining MI5 -and bought a shed load of cake grin

We had our first post Tilly date night tonight with a lovely meal and I gad a few dneaky cocktails wink

Ohand DP has agreed to viewing the apartment I want to buy grin grin grin

MissMummy1 Fri 03-May-13 22:59:20

Okay that was pretty incoherent. I only had 2 drinks!!

Bollocks to shit nights izzy sad

TheDetective Fri 03-May-13 23:24:45

Oh dear. What is it about judgeypants? Once you pop you can't stop?!

Picture on FB from a girl (I don't know her, just sold her some baby bits and she added me as a friend) with a 12 week old baby. The baby is holding a carrot stick and is sucking on it. Fuckity fuck. Just glad it is a fucking carrot. But BLW is not for 12 week olds!!

Also ignoring picture of friends DS at 4 months old with bright blue all over his face. The sprinkly stuff from an ice cream from the ice cream van.

Fuck off judgeypants! Do one!

TheDetective Fri 03-May-13 23:33:26

Both these women clearly love their kids to bits by the way. That is what I don't get. Are parents being failed by the information they are given when it comes to bringing children up?

I do wonder often.

Izzybuzzybuzzybees Sat 04-May-13 00:05:01

Just fed a fucking gain!!!! That's 3 times since 9.30pm!!!!!!!!!

LuisGarcia Sat 04-May-13 01:08:12

ok, if anyone is awake can you please call something for me? Do I go short, medium or long term tonight?

PurplePidjin Sat 04-May-13 02:59:39

Medium, Luis - short will frustrate you in a few days, long will frustrate you by feeling impossible

Izzybuzzybuzzybees Sat 04-May-13 03:25:22

3 hours...just! Feeding like a demon again!!! Unlatched him in the end!

YellowWellies Sat 04-May-13 04:05:42

Luis go medium. Middle theory was always my default exam response if I had to guess an answer.

First feed - well chuffed. Especially given he unlatched after 20 minutes at his big tank up feed, due to nodding off. The velux blinds arrived today so he's into his own room tomorrow night shock

Izzybuzzybuzzybees Sat 04-May-13 04:41:59

A 50minute gap and feeding AGAIN!!!! This boy NEEDS solids but how the Fuck can I manage that when he won't open his fucking mouth or pick anything up!!!!!!!


Thanks Izzy, mm and detective

Currently sat in Frankie and Benny's having breakfast.
See you all in a week grin

Izzybuzzybuzzybees Sat 04-May-13 05:18:52

41 minutes!!! Will bring him in our bed now I guess sad

PetiteRaleuse Sat 04-May-13 05:44:39

Morning. Jst needed a dummy during the night so can consider it 8 hours. It's going to warm today I think it's a gorgeous morning. The kind of morning where I want to get everyone up and announce we're off to the hills for the day. Except we aren't as more exciting stuff like the post office and the pharmacy await.

Pikz Sat 04-May-13 06:22:22

Yay! He must be feeling better again. 11 hours woop.

VQ and det in so sorry your stuck in treacle. Hope there is solutions soon.

Izzy brewbrewbrewbrewbrewbrew

Fatima have an ace time!

Hi GT!

Luis go medium

YW excited for J first night in his room

Pikz Sat 04-May-13 06:23:37

PR we have that sort of weekend.

When skiing I found French pharmacies hardly sell anything. Is that true?

Sophiathesnowfairy Sat 04-May-13 06:49:00

Morning. Slow Saturday here.

det I am appalled about the fruit shoot incident.

We are starting protein this weekend shock I am going to make up lentils, chicken and grapes, Popeyes pasta and maybe a mince thing to stick my freezer. He love purees and I give him Bits of finger food to play with while I cear up.

O is sitting up really well, loving nursery and really growing up fast.

Proteins mean weaning off the dream feed! We are down to 3 oz which he doesn't really wake for.

PetiteRaleuse Sat 04-May-13 07:08:44

pikz I don't find that to be true. There are a lot of meds that you can buy over the counter that here we need a prescription for though. Other than that most pharmacies have a good selection of overpriced stuff

Morning all.

Still down to two wakings. I realise how lucky we are.

I have been naughty. In the last two days S has had a puree of three fruits, butternut and heinz egg custard. I have no experience of intolerances/allergies which perhaps explains the laissez faire attitude. But perhaps its too reckless? I realise how lucky we are on that front too.

All you mums dealing with reflux and intolerances and sleepless nights are amazing. I dont know how you do it.

Today we are going to a farm. MIL and SIL are coming. They are nice so its good. Taking a picnic, woke up to the smell of the ham in the SC. And made some rocky road last night. Yum! Lets hope for good weather!

Cacacaz Sat 04-May-13 07:13:53

detective I'm joining you with judgey pants. Just read on Facebook that DH's cousin gave her 3 month old baby white chocolate buttons yesterday. As if that's not bad enough, it's the fact that they seem to find it hilarious.

izzy boo to shit nights.

fatima have a fantastic holiday

fruitpastilles Sat 04-May-13 07:24:27

Morning, an ok night here with S, just a couple of wakes for a dummy, dp on the other hand decided to put the heating in for an hour last night and fell asleep downstairs, he woke me up coming to bed and the house was soooo stuffy I couldn't get back to sleep then.

chasing was it you who mentioned a flat head? S has a really flat head and a big bald spot, I was quite worried by how flat it is, it seems flatter than most. The HV said it will round out as she gets older but that was ages ago and it hasn't. My cousins LO had to wear a helmet for 6 months when she was S's age but hers was just flat on one side.

fruitpastilles Sat 04-May-13 07:24:58

Oh and fatima have a lovely holiday not jealous or anything

Dixiebell Sat 04-May-13 07:27:36

Chasing, Teddy has developed some one-sided flatness on his head. Exactly the same as ds1 did. I tried to be careful with sleeping him facing different directions this time round, but has developed exactly the same. I think it may be inevitable when they sleep on backs for some babies. But ds1's became barely noticeable, at 2.5 you wouldn't say it looked flat although mummy can tell by feeling his head. Ds1's was commented on by the paediatrician at 8 weeks but she said its v common and she saw much worse cases and it sorts itself out as they grow and spend less time on their backs. You can also get pillows that are supposed to help. The only treatment is helmets but that's a bit extreme. If O can turn his head properly, then it's prob fine. But of course talk to gp if you are worried.

ValiumQueen Sat 04-May-13 08:18:29

Morning all.

Luis what is the long medium or short term thing? I think it makes a difference as to what the context is.

ChasingDaisy Sat 04-May-13 08:27:08

Morning all

Thanks for flat head feedback. It is just on one side. Think it is from when he slept in his Moses basket as he was always in the same position. He can turn his head both ways without a problem. I think I will take him to the GP as it certainly isn't getting any better. I do wonder if that is contributing to his poor night sleep.

I have my judgey pants prepped and ready for an IL family lunch today. Things likely to get me hoiking are SIL's baby in uncomfortable clothes and eating unsuitable foods.

Evilwater Sat 04-May-13 08:41:33

Morning been up since 6 sad
Sorry to read about the bad nights.
We all had a good sleep, in our house. Here's hoping for a better day. n had some porridge this morning! Yay!!!

chasing - thinking of you.


horseylady Sat 04-May-13 08:43:02

Have posted this on Facebook but to anyone really! Ladies, I'm at a loss. Been having issues with etienne in his own room. Waking frequently etc. last night wasnt very good. Put him down at 10.30, took half an hour to settle and he woke every 10-20 minutes hysterical. I'd tilted his cot more as his reflux seemed worse yesterday but to no improvement. By 1am we decided to bring him into our room into his pram, where he fell straight off and didn't wake once. Now he just fits His pram. Literally. So tonight, I think I'm going to try again in his cot, but if he's unsettled put the pram in there to see if its a room issue or bed issue. What if he just feels too exposed in the cot bed? Is there something else we can try? I've seen inserts which last them till their 8-9 months but obv it's not that far away. If its a room issue I guess it's not too tricky, I can sleep on the floor and gradually move out. Or maybe it's a growth spurt and he just needs comfort? Any ideas? What would you do? He's normally so happy to go down? But this last week has been tricky.

det I think people genuinely do not know what's healthy and what's not. A girl I went to school with posted a photo of her 10 week old baby eating a rusk. Eating should perhaps be in inverted commas. Same as McDonald's etc. I just think people lose perspective.

pr I'm ok thanks after my accident. Both of us are. The horse is still stupid. Last Saturday she was tied up to the fence post. With twine to the post, lead rope through it. She pulled back and usually the twine snaps, but no, the entire fence panel comes away. Thankfully I kept hold of her as she'd have killed herself and others had she got onto the road. I just think she's one of those horses.

Passmethecrisps Sat 04-May-13 08:48:17

chasing if you really must interact with the ILs then the very least you get in return is some pant hoiking. Wonder what the wee soul will be eating today? A full pork pie?

I am sorry VQ and det that things are still so hard. Is colief worth trying VQ? I know it is very expensive but might be worth a try. It is a total minefield and I well remember the anxieties of trying to find the perfect combination. We used IG alongside ranitidine for months VQ so I cannot see that there will be any issue. Moving to carobel changes the consistency of poo but in all honesty P is sometimes just as uncomfortable passing them. I think she tries too hard.

Passmethecrisps Sat 04-May-13 08:53:33

horsey I have given my thoughts on Facebook. I do think E sounds like he is freaking out when he wakes. Carrycot in cot is where I would start.

Anyone watching BBC breakfast? Det?

Clarella Sat 04-May-13 08:56:25

oh dear for shit nights. and reflux shit. sad 4 or 5 wakes here but sleeping well between and not waking in tears smile

woke at 4 myself feeling sick, still think I'm going to puke angry eddy izzard tonight so it had better do one.

actually g still has talapes on one foot so might ask if need a physio referral for that and see what they think of his neck. he's a flat head at back too but fx it'll round out soon!

horseylady Sat 04-May-13 08:56:32

pass def starting there, with my t shirt with him too.

Clarella Sat 04-May-13 08:57:40

horsey I'd probably do pram for a couple of nights then carry cot (is that same?) in his room and take from there?

ValiumQueen Sat 04-May-13 08:59:43

Thank you Pass. J's poos are no longer constipated thank goodness. Still horrid green colour but he is going once or twice a day with no discomfort at all.

Not sure about colief as it works by breaking down lactose and he is on lactose free.

This morning he has had ranitidine 1 hr after milk and he seems fine.

StuntNun Sat 04-May-13 09:06:28

Sorry I haven't been on guys, the sixth-month growth spurt has been all-consuming as we're back to two-hours between feeds. A couple of thoughts I wanted to share: please don't stress if your baby isn't opening their mouth for solids, it's still early days yet. Concentrate on making food time interesting and relaxed and don't push it at this point. And my unconventional suggestion for babies that won't take a bottle or sippy cup is to try a shot glass. Obviously you need to hold it for them at this age but my DS2 used a shot glass for ages. I think the size is good for a toddler to manage easily, particularly the curvature of the rim. Just my two cents.

MissMummy1 Sat 04-May-13 09:09:14

Clarella I too have woken feeling really shit and sicky. DP joked I was hungover (I had 2 small drinks and this doesnt feel like a hangover confused ) right before buggering off up north for the day/night. I feel dreadful. My mum and dad are coming in an hour to take M out for the day - something which they are ridiculously excited about hmm ! Is it possible I am jetlagged? That's what this feels like and DP gave me almost 10 hours solid sleep last night. I havent slept for that long in about 8 months. I felt dreadful after getting 4 hours the other week.

Horsey no advice sorry but the idea of carrycot in the actual cot seems a sound starting point.

Clarella Sat 04-May-13 09:10:05

valium have his poos always been green?

MissMummy1 Sat 04-May-13 09:11:48

Knew there was something else. I spoke to a woman yesterday with a bottle/cup refuser. She is Swedish and has been spoonfeeding her baby a formula from Sweden that is thicker than that sold heee. He has gone from hourly wakenings to 5+ hours in the space of a few days.

Clarella Sat 04-May-13 09:12:52

ugh welcome to today's sicky club mm! I guess it could be a bit of sort of jet lag - I feel worse at mo if I get more than 4 hours in total!

ValiumQueen Sat 04-May-13 09:17:53

Clarella pretty much yes. Have had the occasional korma coloured poo. Apparently it is normal for the formula he is on. I find it hard to believe that a baby can be well and produce a poo like that though as surely the green colour comes from bile?

Passmethecrisps Sat 04-May-13 10:28:51

Shit fuck bugger balls.

Made up the bottles as 7:30 this morning. DH said half an hour ago "do you want these bottles in the fridge"


I left all of them sitting in cold water. For two and a half hours. All down the sink and start again!

YellowWellies Sat 04-May-13 10:30:50

Horsey I wonder if its the six month growth spurt - Jonas needs to be close and cuddled much more when he's going through a growth spurt.

It could be the sleeping arrangements as you say. We transitioned him to his big cot in our room and I would say it took 3 nights for him to get used to it (more frequent wakings, and certainly the first night he seemed a bit scared / confused as to where he was). Tonight the big cot is going in his room - we'll see how that goes confused confused confused confused

Izzy feeding every 40 minutes isn't hunger - he must be comfort feeding. He's a big bouncing lad - he definitely isn't starving for solids so don't beat yourself up. Some intolerances make babies' mouths and throats itch and they comfort feed for relief from the itch - it could also explain why he's wary of opening his mouth for solids?

Passmethecrisps Sat 04-May-13 10:30:57

The green colour is likely to come from a chemical within the formula. P does two stage poos - green sludge colour followed by some yellow stuff. It's like her body separates all the elements.

Clarella Sat 04-May-13 11:49:02

green on that formula or when bf vq?

whole of last night's dinner been up and chills are multiplying sad angry that's no to eddy izzard then sad angry angry angry angry

Clarella Sat 04-May-13 11:50:09

sorry vq not reading clearly today - that formula!

TheDetective Sat 04-May-13 13:23:54

Afternoon! Sorry wasn't watching the news this morning, as I was having a lie in! I say a lie in, I just lay there being woken every 2 seconds by O crying. Fuck knows what DP and DS1 were doing with him downstairs, but considering there were two of them, he did a lot of whinging!

I feel so shit. My muscles are aching less today, so I've managed to sort washing, tidy, hoover and make some purees. But my throat feels like the razor blades have been sharpened overnight, and my nose is on fire.

Stupid cold. angry

I don't know whether to be pissed off with DP or not. Yesterday he was going to go and meet his friends in town. He cancelled because I told him to, as I felt so ill it wasn't fair on me especially as I fucking ran round after him and my dad when he was ill and O was 6 weeks old!!.

He rearranged for today FFS!! I told him if he was going he was taking O with him. So he has. I know I should be grateful he has taken O, but his mates well one of the two he is meeting are tits. Both younger than him, live with parents, no idea about babies, or the realities of being out with a baby, and needing to stop for feeds, changing etc. Can't help feeling DP won't put O first. I know I shouldn't feel like that, but he can be so immature when with his friends. He will forget things. Like forgetting to undress him and change his nappy....

Time will tell when he gets home I suppose. hmm

I don't understand him. Most of the time he is brilliant with O, but he goes and does stupid things, and his excuse is he forgot. He forgets an awful fucking lot. hmm

Izzybuzzybuzzybees Sat 04-May-13 13:24:11

yw you will be right about the comfort feeding but its hard to know as he genuinely acts hungry!

I'm attempting wheat free but its tricky as all cereals we have in are wheat based and I love bread and pasta!!

TooManyDicksOnTheDancefloor Sat 04-May-13 13:28:55

Afternoon all. Could I have some quiche advice please? I've bought some formula and plan on giving B her first bottle today. How do you safely make up formula in advance? I've read lots of different things on the Internet and I'm even more confused about how this is done. I plan on giving her one bottle a day but would like to make it ready in advance. Thank you in advance.

TheDetective Sat 04-May-13 13:32:12

Caca I think I need to step away from facebook! I'm guessing my hormones dieting is making me more judgy! I'm honestly so not judgy normally! I berate myself for thinking anything, and remember that one glimpse isn't the whole picture. But gaaaaah!

I god, can't believe I forgot about this!!! I was out with O last week, and he was wearing a babygrow and cardi, which isn't unusual, I often dress him this way still, as it is comfortable for him. A woman dared to comment that I was lazy for not dressing my baby. She said it in a jokey type of way, but in a way that you know it isn't a joke...?! I gave her short shrift and called her crazy! I told her that a babygrow is clothes for babies, and only crazy people don't know this. grin In a jokey type of way, but wasn't a joke grin.

Some people!!

TheDetective Sat 04-May-13 13:33:10

Too many have you seen the DOH guidelines?

I'll copy and paste the relevant and then link it for you. BRB!

TheDetective Sat 04-May-13 13:37:55


'A feed should be freshly made up when it is needed to reduce the risk of infection that can make your baby ill. If you have no choice and need to store a feed, it should always be stored at the back of the fridge and for no longer than 24 hours.'

I have some ice packs in the freezer. I make the bottles up as per guidelines. Then put them in a pan/bowl/jug (whatever you have that is the appropriate size) with cold water and ice packs, making sure that the level of the water comes up to the level of the milk in the bottle. After 30 minutes, they are usually cool enough to be put at the back of the fridge.

Elizadoesdolittle Sat 04-May-13 13:45:17

E basically lives in babygros at the moment. And they have to be the ones with scratch mitts so I really look like a lazy mum. She did start wearing outfits in the day but went back to babygros when she got chickenpox and since she's been wearing the scratch mitts she hasn't pulled her tube out so have left it like that. What a bloody rude woman though detective.

mm E has milk thickened with carobel out of a doidy cup. Would make my life easier if we had thickened formula here.

There was lots more I had to say but need to take DD1 to her swimming lesson. Be back later....

TheDetective Sat 04-May-13 13:47:41

I think I need to look in to this carobel stuff.

TheDetective Sat 04-May-13 13:55:23

FGS. I'm going to have to get some fucking tena lady aren't I? Every time I cough I am pissing myself.

I'm so upset sad

TooManyDicksOnTheDancefloor Sat 04-May-13 14:00:41

Thanks detective, I didn't realise you had to cool the bottles quickly like that, very helpful. smile

B only wears babygrows and she's five months today, she has maybe two other outfits, but they are rarely worn. People must really judge me blush.

One other piece of advice needed, what travel steriliser do you all recommend? We're going to France for two weeks in July and I plan on mix feeding.

PurplePidjin Sat 04-May-13 14:02:11

brew because my brain is fried and i can't remember who needed fish slapping and who needed hugs

When can we start weetabix fake Waitrose variety for breakfast? R was so whingy and hungry this morning, plus it means dp taking him down so i can catch up on kip, i really think he needs breakfast as well as milk. He ate 1/2 cube each parsnip and sweet potato, tbsp baby rice and a cube of apple for lunch plus big boobjuice feeds before and after and has been boobing every 1 1/2 hours since midnight. He'll be 24 weeks on Monday, too early for wheat with no family history of intolerance or allergy?

PurplePidjin Sat 04-May-13 14:03:45

R alternates grows and outfits, Eliza, depending on what i fancy putting him in! He's mostly in the sling though so no one sees much except hat and toes...

ChasingDaisy Sat 04-May-13 14:06:52

Horrendous. I stormed out of left the restaurant in tears after an argument with SIL (not the one with the baby, a different one)

Will update later. Need to go and clean the flat. And have a fucking good cry.

TheDetective Sat 04-May-13 14:11:13

I think wheat is 26 weeks pidg even without allergy risk.

Wanna I am following the 3 day thing as closely as possible because of reflux and intolerances, but I didn't with DS1 as I didn't know, plus he didn't have any issues with what O has!

TheDetective Sat 04-May-13 14:12:06

Fucking cunts Chasing for making you cry, and making you leave. Cunty cunt mccunters. angry

Vent away.

fruitpastilles Sat 04-May-13 14:15:12

Would carobel stop them being sick if it is a thickener? If so I really need to see if I can get some for S.

fruitpastilles Sat 04-May-13 14:17:39

Oh chasing sorry I posted without refreshing, hope you are ok, I agree with det they are fucking cunts! You should stop being so nice and agreeing to do things with them if they make you feel like this all the time. Hugs thanks

PetiteRaleuse Sat 04-May-13 14:22:19

Did you take O with you chasing ?

They are cunts.

ValiumQueen Sat 04-May-13 14:55:12

Chasing (((hugs))) feel free to share when ready and we will slag her off too x

Carobel can be used as a thickener for liquids and puree even water!

ValiumQueen Sat 04-May-13 14:56:03

Carobel helps reduce vomiting.

Need to catch up on fred...but just had to say that I got a call back to a 2nd interview! Yay smile

TheDetective Sat 04-May-13 15:14:32

Keep selling it to me VQ!

We definitely need it for water....!

Wanna See... told you so!!!

Lily311 Sat 04-May-13 15:16:58

Hi Quiche,

Thank you so much for your support here and on Facebook. Yesterday was hard but not as hard as I thought it would be. His grave is well looked after, we lit candles and left flowers, only stayed for a couple of min as it was raining heavily. I feel a bit guilty as I wanted to talk to him there but there was no way we could stay there longer.

Visited his family, it was a huge surprise as I didn't tell them we were going. They are not nice people, particularly his sisters, we have had a rocky relationship since the death as they couldn't accept that O inherited everything. Anyway, O was a superstar in great mood and won his grandparents over within minutes. They showed me pics of OH as a baby, O is exactly the same. We stayed for 2 hours than drove back to Hungary overnight, 11 fucking hours. It was so tiring. I feel sad, angry, calm and content at the same time. Mixed of emotions.

So today is the first day of my new life here, it is still scary but I need to be open minded.

chasing hugs. As for flat head things, O has been having physio for 12 weeks now. She has torticollis, tilts her head in a strange way. Though not anymore. She had flat head but disappeared after a first couple of physio session . We also did cranial osteopathy to help her with screaming, had 4 sessions.

StuntNun Sat 04-May-13 16:42:23

Great to hear you got through it okay Lily, I hope you can relax a bit now. You're a superstar!

ValiumQueen Sat 04-May-13 16:56:32

I bet you are glad that is over Lily x remember even though you are in a different country, you still have the quiche support. And you do not have to be at your DHs grave to talk to him either. How about planting a little tree where you are so you have a special place to remember him? Are you planning well for the anniversary of his death? I would encourage you to think now about where you will be, who you will be with and what you will be doing. A day of remembering perhaps? Would you rather be alone with O or with others? Thinking of you x

fruitpastilles Sat 04-May-13 17:19:19

Lily you are so strong, O will be so proud of you when she knows exactly what you have been through. I'm glad it wasn't as hard as you thought. He will always be with you no matter where you are. Hope you and O settle ok in Hungary. We are here for you xx

ValiumQueen Sat 04-May-13 18:25:43

DH fucked up the first bottle and nap today and it has gone from bad to worse. The poor little sod has not slept all fucking day and is now asleep on the fucking sofa. But DH has made two loaves. The girls have not been out all day and I have been trying everything with J. I would happily divorce today. I really think it would be easier sometimes.

ChasingDaisy Sat 04-May-13 18:34:18

Forgive me for posting before I have caught up on the thread.

Lily I am glad you got through yesterday. You can speak to him any time, wherever you are. Please never feel like you are alone, this quiche are always here, day and night. I for one think of you often.

We had our first puree success today. O took a couple of spoonfuls of an Organix apple and blueberry pot. He pulled a yucky face but didn't clamp his mouth shut like he did before, so we kept going with it. I think his yucky face actually means 'Oh, this is new. Not quite sure what I think of this. Doesnt taste like milk...'

I feel rather ashamed posting another IL rant in the light of what Lily is going through, but I could do with some people in my corner.

So, we got to the restaurant and we left O sat up in his pram nomming on toys and he was happy as Larry. Then they wanted to play pass the baby. Fine. SIL #1 took him. He cried. Back to us. SIL #2 took him. He cried. Eventually passed back to us.

SIL then told me in a snarky tone that I need to take him out more. I take him out loads. You need to take him to see more people. He sees plenty of people. I was then told not to be aggressive hmm and not to talk to her like that. I said this was ridiculous and I was leaving. (Yep, with O PR) She started shouting across the table at me that I was supposed to be family and she wasn't surprised that I was leaving. I then flounced out. Which is very difficult to do in a dignified way with a pram in a small restaurant blush

Doesn't sound like much written down but it was horrible sad

TheDetective Sat 04-May-13 18:38:31

Well fucking done for standing up to the shower of cunts chasing!

Got O in arms, will type more later!!

MadamGazelleIsMyMum Sat 04-May-13 18:46:00

chasing hope all ok. Have a cathartic vent here if up you need to. We're all behind you. And yes, they are cunts.

lily well done. Can't have been easy, but your strength is magnificent and O is so lucky to have you.

pass I have done that too but stuck them in the fridge anyway to use, persuading myself that because I only leave them for 12 hours max it is ok

wanna great news, fingers crossed!

detective hopefully your DP has learned from the other night. Is good for him to take O out on own. And my DH is beyond silly when with his silly friends. Honestly, I think 15 year olds are more mature sometimes.

pidj We have lno intolerances here and I have not been observing the three day rule with fruit / veg / porridge, but I have waited until DS is 26 weeks + to think about wheat / dairy. Now he is 26 weeks, I'll
start to introduce wheat, dairy and protein but will do those one at a time.

Nice day today after crap night. Had my mum entertaining DD all day so DS and I have chilled and napped most of the day. Am settling them both to sleep while my lovely parents make me Thai green curry for supper and I think I'll treat myself to some of their excellent wine. Although did have to go and buy emergency antihistamines due to dog allergy cos I am a twat and forgot mine.

Bryzoan Sat 04-May-13 18:48:01

Yay - go chasing! Very proud of you!!

MadamGazelleIsMyMum Sat 04-May-13 18:48:22

X-post chasing am so pleased you stood up for yourself to those wankers. wine and thanks

Clarella Sat 04-May-13 19:14:33

oh hugs chasing but well done you! the words 'need' and 'must' and 'should' are words not be spoken to a mum I've decided!

oh Lily huge hugs and quiche hand holding. thinking of you lots. thanks thanks thanks thanks

rubbish day of sickness and mh wobbling. it's not worth talking about though. I'm counting blessings right now.

YellowWellies Sat 04-May-13 19:48:43

I'm a weapon. Ordered normal blinds not blackout. They're like tracing paper. DH is ordering the right ones now and returning the others to Hungary via TNT (£40 ouch this is what happens when you buy fiddly things in the midst of a sleep regression). I feel like a total wombat.

Soooooo ....The bear evades his room for another day - we're getting some dark cardboard tomorrow to use as a temporary measure to cover the two skylights.

On a positive I've just bagsied an amazing 8 seater antique farmhouse table on eBay. It was in Norfolk - managed to get a courier on shiply for £75 - all the way to Fife. Result grin

Lily, Chasing ladies you rock xxxx

YellowWellies Sat 04-May-13 19:49:42

Clarella you rock too. Sorry you're missing Eddie Izzard xxx

ChasingDaisy Sat 04-May-13 20:06:57

I don't rock. At all. I'm weak for staying with an abusive twunt and turning myself into a Stepford Wive to keep him from getting stressed.

Lily is amazing. I have the utmost respect for her.

Elizadoesdolittle Sat 04-May-13 20:09:51

Lily my heart goes out to you. You do not need to be near DH's grave to feel close to him or to speak to him. He will forever be in your heart, he's a huge part of O and his memories will live on in your mind. I'm glad the worst is over. You are coping so well. You are an inspiration x

chasing E sounds very similar to your O. She hates being held by anyone but me. She's a lot better with DH now and I make sure my in laws, sis and mum etc do have turns of holding her so she can get used to being with other people. The difference with your situation and mine though is I am very lucky to have a loving supportive family who will willing hand E over once she starts to get upset. Glad you stood up to them and removed both you and O from the situation.

PetiteRaleuse Sat 04-May-13 20:21:39

vq I find ithelpful at these times to try and make a mental list of reasons we love them, despite the fact that we often cope much more easily when they aren't hre. And yes, we can seethe over that fact.

lily glad you are safely home in Hungary. We are just a click away [hugs]

chasing more hugs.

Detective you're always putting a brave face on things but you need a hug too.

Where's contra ?

ValiumQueen Sat 04-May-13 20:26:53

Slightly nervous of YW being a weapon grin

Remember chasing, you are mummy, and mummy has the power. The hand that rocks the cradle rules the world.

Better bedtime for J. Used carobel instead of gaviscon and he downed the lot with no wind. Yet. Fingers crossed. Gave him the granules prior to the bottle too. Such a shitty day I do hope he sleeps well.

DD1 has so far tonight fallen out of bed and off the toilet. She fell off the loo into the laundry basket and we were met by little legs sticking out. She is never having a high sleeper, and we are never removing the stair gate.

PetiteRaleuse Sat 04-May-13 20:28:35

chasing it took me years at a time to leave two abusive relationships, and jumped straight from the first into the second. It was fucking hard. And I didn't have the complication of a child (however loved and wanted). Remember what I said about being able to breathe again? When you really need to experience how it feels to take a deep breath without any fear or worry, you WILL walk away. And once you've done it you'll beat yourself up over not doing it sooner.

But I have been there. It isn't easy. At all. And no-one can make you do it. But you'll get there on your own in your own good time. Maybe one day you'll wake up and be ready. Maybe it'll take another beating, or some other vile act. But you can be sure that you havd been brave enough to talk to us, and to talk to the police, and that is how I am SURE that this, this shit that you are going through now, is not the rest of your life.

ValiumQueen Sat 04-May-13 20:29:46

Right as always PR. <<racks brains to think of reasons I love the fat useless git>>

Detective deffo get carobel. How is O doing on the new formula?

BigPigLittlePig Sat 04-May-13 20:38:47

Evening all.

Chasing well done you - I would have experienced a touch of the red mist but not had the balls to strop out however clumsily

VQ just ditto, that is all.

Lily I'm glad today wasn't as bad as you had thought, your strength is admirable. I'm also glad your mum and dad can now look after you. There's nothing quite like being back with your parents.

Detective I hope you had a relatively stress-free, baby-free day and are feeling a bit better.

Kyz I totally copied you today, and gave F some melon. She had a HUGE tantrum when she dropped it/I took it away. Loved loved loved nomming on it. Dh had a tear in his eye over the whole thing.

Today has been on the whole nice. Naps went to shit after the first one. Dh took on the honour, and re-appeared very quickly too quickly saying she was asleep. He reckoned he'd just popped her down and rocked her a bit and off she'd gone. It later emerged, after 30 minutes of me frantically rocking an overtired baby to sleep, that she'd been wide awake in her cot, but "seemed happy" so he left her. Downhill since there.

In cat news, finally let him out and the fucking stupid bugger has hurt his paw, and now can't weight bear. This is ridiculous. He is now on total house arrest.

QQ for reflux pros (*yw*) - if F had CMPI (the more common issue, yes?) then would milkshake have more of an effect that, say, hot chocolate, where the milk has been boiled? And would CMPI cause farty wind, or is that just lactose intolerance? This girl can fart for Britain and they smell of bad eggs

TheDetective Sat 04-May-13 20:39:34

You want a pissy pants hug PR?! You're brave grin but thank you!!

VQ Let me know how the carobel goes. Interested to know!

O has taken a 7oz bottle of pepti stuff, and 1oz LF. So tomorrow, its's LF no more! Eeeek! I'm still fuming that I had to make up 32 new purees today! All the ones left had LF milk in! The ones I've done today I've only added milk if they were a bit too thick for him.

He had sweet potato for tea. He luffed it grin. So far he has loved everything offered. I am pleased about this. I am waiting for the pulled faces to happen though!

I've made sweet potato, butternut squash, sweet potato and butter nut squash, broccoli, courgette, pear, banana, pear and banana. Should do him for a couple of weeks! I am shock <gulp> about the amount of orange though! I hate orange baby foods! YW are there any there which are likely to trigger reflux? I suspect the pear might? Am I right?

My hands are orange from it all! Who needs fake tan huh?! Just rub yourself with veg!

Had more to say. hmm I forget.

Oh, DP was fine with O thank fuck he was fed, changed, napped all at the right times. Phew.

VQ grin at little legs! But angry at buggering up DH's.

YW I've done similar stupid shit too. Easily done when online ordering which is why I don't do a lot of it!.

Madam I often think that too... boys and their toys. hmm Ex DP never grew up, and he is 30!

I had slimming world syn free pizza for dinner. This consisted of a smash base. Yes. Smash. That disgusting excuse for mash potato that I've never ever touched with a barge pole!. It was. Um. Interesting? Not the worst thing I've ever eaten, but I don't think I'll bother again! I'd rather miss out ta!

Evilwater Sat 04-May-13 20:41:58

chasing and * lilly* what amazing people. detective I hope things are going better.

Things have gone better today with N and P. N has eaten more purée stuff, yay! My sister came over and helped with N. which is more than I can say with P.

As for P no arguments, but no appolgises. My parents will pop over tomorrow, and ill ask my mum if I'm over reacting. I have done before, but she dislikes listing to my problems with P, but this is different.


TheDetective Sat 04-May-13 20:43:43

Cross post VQ grin. Will find out tomorrow how he goes! He's been generally happier today, but still clingy at times.

BP I'd like to say yes, but DS1 was here and driving me mad! I did get some cleaning done, which was theraputic!

BigPigLittlePig Sat 04-May-13 20:44:45

Ah I did wonder that Det. Thought you might have been able to plug him into an xbox and press mute? No? grin

TheDetective Sat 04-May-13 20:45:19

He plugged himself in, and turned the volume up I think grin!

Evilwater Sat 04-May-13 20:45:27

That's loads of food detective baby food has to be orange, and get every where! smile

Evilwater Sat 04-May-13 20:47:24

big how long is a amoxicillin course? They didn't but it on the bottle gr.... angry


TheDetective Sat 04-May-13 20:48:57

It is either 5 or 7 days, how many mls in bottle and how many mls is dosage?

BigPigLittlePig Sat 04-May-13 20:50:29

For chest in a baby or adult, I would hazard a guess at 7 - better to ring and check after the weekend though evil

Evilwater Sat 04-May-13 20:52:16

It's 5ml x3 a day. And yes I've had an argument about that too. envy it says a day, not 24h.

yellow curtains and blinds without blackout are crazy!


Evilwater Sat 04-May-13 20:52:58

It's for N
( is this the shortest post ever? )

BigPigLittlePig Sat 04-May-13 20:54:18

No wink

BigPigLittlePig Sat 04-May-13 20:55:48

On a serious note though evil - phone up on Tuesday. For chest infections I always give 7 days, but it is dependent upon personal choice and local guidelines so that is by no means universal. I'm guessing Tuesday will be day 5/6?

So much to read. I cant keep up.

Just think you are all amazing!

chasing well done for leaving. It sounds horrible. They really are vile.

Totally agree with PRs post about abusive relationships.

Evilwater Sat 04-May-13 20:59:39

Yes it will be 6/7 as I started him at 1200 on the 2nd.

BigPigLittlePig Sat 04-May-13 21:02:02

Then I would just complete 7 days - better that, than to cut short a course and not fully treat the infection.

Evilwater Sat 04-May-13 21:06:58

The only reason I ask is N hates taking it! I think getting in the cat would be easier.

Oh I now how important it is for him to compete the course, but I can't guess how long it is.

PurplePidjin Sat 04-May-13 21:12:52

Lily i hope you feel safe now and can start the journey towards peace.

Chasing we're here whatever you decide

Was i supposed to put milk in puree? I've just been squishing stuff well with a fork blush am i supposed to do anything to oats to make them suitable? There's so many flavourings and extras in the baby stuff I'd rather give plain oats with fruit if possible

ChasingDaisy Sat 04-May-13 21:17:04

Oh, with the flat head thing. His head is flat on his right hand side. Have realised today that he also slumps to his right hand side when in his pushchair or Bumbo style seat. Will take him to GP this week but any thoughts? Too scared to Google.

PR Funnily enough I find it very difficult to believe that I am in an abusive relationship. I keep thinking that he seems so normal and I am just over reacting. But thinking about it, I am constantly on edge in case we argue. I am running myself ragged doing all the housework etc and letting him sleep in at weekends so he doesn't get stressed. All so we don't argue. He is still on best behaviour at the moment but I know this will slip and I am scared.

He says he loves me but his actions say otherwise. We have barely discussed what happened at lunch. I know if I try to have an honest discussion about it he will end up getting annoyed at me for being upset. He has told me to make sure I don't make things worse with SIL hmm I'm not asking him to take my side but some concern for my feelings would be nice.

Surely I should feel safe and secure in a relationship? He doesn't look out for me or look after me. I have learned how to close off my emotions and harden my heart. This makes me sad. And angry. I feel sad that whichever way my life pans out I will not have the happy, secure home life with the father of my child. How can I spend my whole life living with these IL's? They are O's family. What have I brought him into?

This quiche is a complete sanity saver. I would feel utterly alone without it.

Meh. Brain dump. Sorry blush

BigPigLittlePig Sat 04-May-13 21:28:47

Chasing hopefully O will never be on the receiving end of the spiteful, petty, nastiness that you have put up with from that family. Hopefully he will be cherished as a grandson/nephew etc. I'm glad that you removed yourself from todays ordeal though - they may unfortunately be Os family, but that doesn't mean you have to put up with their shit.

And, fwiw, dh had the guilt-trip about splitting up his family, when he left his ex-p - but it has worked out for the better now, and dsd has 2 good relationships rather than 1 destructive one, to teach her how things should be.

BigPigLittlePig Sat 04-May-13 21:33:29

Oh, and don't worry about his head smile

PurplePidjin Sat 04-May-13 21:38:12

R also slumped to the right, he mostly grabs with his left and it's always his right sock that falls off implying that his right side is fractionally smaller - we think he's going to be left handed which would please sporty dp immensely

This doesn't have to be your life, and isn't going to be your life. We are less than 6 months into the most life changing event we could ever undertake, you're recuperating before taking the next step. Things will change and you will be in control. When you're ready. There is a readymade friendship group here for you, spitting distance of happy memories of your Gran. Or countless other places you will be welcomed with open arms. If i had a spare room you could come stay but i don't sad

BigPigLittlePig Sat 04-May-13 21:38:23

Up again feeding after 1 hour sad
Accompanying arching of back and frantic screams - hello reflux now fuck off please

PetiteRaleuse Sat 04-May-13 21:40:09

Exactly chasing you're on edge. You're not breathing freely. You can't relax. You'll get there. And until and when you do we are all here.

Evil LO had amoxycillin 5ml 3 times a day for seven days each time. I put it in her milk. 5ml even in a couple of ounces is hardly detectable. DD1 had it for 14 days but she had double pneumonia and bronchiolitis. I'd check but keep going for seven days in total at least until you're sure. Better a day or two over than under.
And enjoy the

YellowWellies Sat 04-May-13 21:51:33

Chasing so he's violent and horrible and gets spoilt with sleep ins? angry envy

Det pear is actually (bizarrely) one of the best first foods for reflux - of those you listed the only one I'd be careful with is banana as it increases the acidity of the stomach.

BPLP not sure - J can't even tolerate trace dairy so I've not investigated to be honest. From what my sister has said cooked dairy and cheese is more tolerated and raw milk and yogurt likely to cause the most problems (yogurt is effectively concentrated milk protein). I'm not sure whether boiling milk would make it less or more problematic.

Gah I've never had any ishoos with allergies myself I wish I hadn't had to learn about this shit! blush

ChasingDaisy Sat 04-May-13 21:59:15

YW yep. He is getting spoilt with a partner who is trying to make his life as easy as possible so that he has no stresses to contend with. Plus a family who treat him as though he has done nothing wrong.

I get no sleep ins, no break from housework and the full hatred of his family.

Like I said, he is on best behaviour at the moment but there are so many unsaid things beneath the surface. There is no warmth from him towards me. Just finding things hard today. Feeling very down. Need to get to sleep really as have my family coming over tomorrow, Parents, Aunt, Uncle and Brother. Off out for lunch again. At least I know I will be able to explain to them that O is going through a 'screamy with anyone but mummy or daddy' phase and they won't try and push it.

kirrinIsland Sat 04-May-13 22:00:48

((hugs)) lily you sound so strong. I'm glad you have your family around you now.

chasing well done for walking out, they are just awful sad

Congratulations on the second interview wanna smile

How you feeling Clara? sorry you're missing Eddie sad

I'm currently up north with family. 6hour journey was ok but on arrival well after midnight, DD1 woke up properly and didn't go back to sleep til nearly 3. And then woke up at 6.30 sad N. On the other hand, slept from 2 til 7 smile

TheDetective Sat 04-May-13 22:01:37

Chasing Remember my offer? It is still open! A break sounds just what you need! I believe there is a good weekend.... ooooh, sometime around the 15th June grin.

YW Bugger! Banana was one of the first things he has had, although I think he is okay with it. Carrot pissed him off. hmm

YellowWellies Sat 04-May-13 22:03:58

Do your family know what you are putting up with? Could you not sneak away with them? wink

I'm so impatient for you and O to have the better life you deserve, but I know you have to do it in your own time. Just do it before O sees bad things / gets hurt xxxx

You do rock you know chasing

ChasingDaisy Sat 04-May-13 22:07:36

My family have no idea. They think he's great. I'm not close enough to them to be able to say anything.

BigPigLittlePig Sat 04-May-13 22:12:14

This dairy malarkey makes me twitchy about introducing formula, in case she does have an issue and I make it heaps worse by ff. Somethings upset her today, and am racking my brains to work out what it is. I wish babies came with an instruction manual.

Kyzordz Sat 04-May-13 22:21:17

Currently cursing the undo button on the iPad. Have deleted post 3 times now total arse

It wasn't great, basically dished out hugs to those needing them, chasing, lilly and clarella if my memory isn't failing me which it will be

Had NCT first aid course today, was pretty good, basic but good and I feel a lot better with things ESP choking which I was most afraid of. Heart still in mouth though when I gave Eric some mango sticks earlier. He bit a chunk and I immediately went to scoop it out only for dp who also attended said course to launch at me with 'yourenotsupposedtoscoopitoutleavehimbewoman'. So I sat, watched e, he gagged, brought the chunk forward himself and then swallowed it smile I am still not sure, I'm not sure I will ever not panic when he eats or it feels that way but this is success, right?

I am mostly just pleased he is enjoying other things bar rusk and that we are not stressed. I will be starting properly next week and he seems much more ready than he did a few weeks back. I am beginning to think he might be one who likes to feed himself though and if so I will shit myself every time he eats I think! I am going to offer both though and see how we get on smile guess its up to the wee man and if finger foods means he eats veg, then scary fucking finger foods it is! I am much more comfortable with purée but never mind!

Sounds mission to keep up tomorrow. I hope I manage it, feel out of the quiche-loop on hectic days. Mum is healing well and staying off her feet but hopefully will be up and about a bit more in the coming weeks so ill not be running round like such a blue arsed fly quite so much! Think I'm doing ok though ignores fact tea wasn't ready until 8pm

TheDetective Sat 04-May-13 22:27:53

Kyz I too have similar panics! I let O suck on my banana this morning. He bit a chunk off, and choked and I was panic stations. hmm What a tit!

ValiumQueen Sat 04-May-13 22:29:46

<<still thinking>>

TheDetective Sat 04-May-13 22:34:27


That is all.

Evilwater Sat 04-May-13 22:35:23

I think the new Star Trek is better than the 60's.


YellowWellies Sat 04-May-13 22:35:58

BPLP I know!!! DH currently has C4 with the new Star Trek film on (though actually he's upstairs shushing a stirring half conscious bear back to sleep) and I'm wishing those body scanners from Star Trek which show what's wrong with someone really existed!

I guess we've been winging it since time immemorial with the wee folk. R4 mentioned an interesting stat from a study which suggests that on average most Mum's only correctly identify whats vexing their baby when they cry 40% of the time - and that the more confident in her skills the mother is the less likely she is to identify correctly!

ValiumQueen Sat 04-May-13 22:38:51

Detective grin even that does not endear him at the moment grin

Evil are you talking Enterprise?

Just watched Ted. I am married to a child.

J has become quite attached to a pink rabbit I threw in the cot in desperation one night. I think I may need to make it some non pink clothes before he starts school.

PetiteRaleuse Sat 04-May-13 22:39:47

grin VQ since I gave that advice I've been trying to work out what I'd put on my list were I asked it at a bad moment

Yes, ahem, the 15th June weekend is a good time to go to the north west chasing when some freshly caught quiche fish can be passed round smile

wanna I missed your post about a second interview. That's great news smile

ValiumQueen Sat 04-May-13 22:40:24

New film??????? Ooh! Did not know there was a new one grin

Evilwater Sat 04-May-13 22:42:20

Yes VQ I'm a secret Trekkie, my fav is voyger. Katie rocks the part, and her fights with the Borg are epic.

Simon pegg is awesome as Scotty.


ValiumQueen Sat 04-May-13 22:42:43

My MIL has said she wants to come here that weekend. Not sure quite how to explain I want to visit her so I can meet a bunch of strangers off the Internet grin

PetiteRaleuse Sat 04-May-13 22:43:33

Fucking fireworks. Thought the house was going to fall down. The pets have gone mental and I don't know how the girls slept through as the house was shaking. sad that I missed watching themas the shutters were closed and I had a shaking dog and two cats huddled up to me on the sofa the last hour. It's over now but the concert is still going strong.

PetiteRaleuse Sat 04-May-13 22:45:21

Yes I'm going to have trouble explaining to my family that No, I haven't seen them for teo years but I do have to pop out for a while to meet some randoms.

TheDetective Sat 04-May-13 22:48:23

It's like a secret shameful mission! Like the whole hiding your knickers during erm, intimate examinations which I have had more than my fair fucking share of thanks. How to sneak out to meet randomers grin.

Could be a good game?!

<Proffers own manchild to VQ>

<Reconsiders and offers own manchild to MrVQ so they can be children happily ever after>

ValiumQueen Sat 04-May-13 22:48:30

I am Captain Janeway. I would happily give Chakote a good loving, Seven of nine too actually shock

TheDetective Sat 04-May-13 22:49:15

Sat here with tissue on my tits, complete with karvol on it. Snorting like a coke addict.

I make an attractive sight tonight. hmm

ValiumQueen Sat 04-May-13 22:51:24

Jean Luc phoar!

Kyzordz Sat 04-May-13 22:52:34

Ohh bplp missed your post but glad f liked melon!

det it's so frigging scary it's untrue! Guess they have to learn to eat somehow though! Why he cannot be content with milk/non hazardous foodstuffs though is beyond me!

ValiumQueen Sat 04-May-13 22:52:51

What concert PR? Sounds horrid. Sorry if I missed you saying. Fucking hate fireworks.

Evilwater Sat 04-May-13 22:54:27

I'd like to teach Harry a thing or two. grin I'd love to have Kate's confidence and conviction. I so could have seen chaokty and Kate getting togethere.

This movie is so much better than the original series, I just love seeing kick get beat up. grin


PetiteRaleuse Sat 04-May-13 23:00:02

I might not have mentioned it. There is an open air concert up at the castle. Rehearsed and did sound checks all fucking week. Then the finale was an hour of fireworks starting at half ten our time. Would have had great view from garden or from front windows but we put kids' sleep first and closed the shutters, stupidly hoping that would keep the noise out. Ha. Pretty painted shutters might look nice but they are otherwise useless.

I love fireworks, in fact used to go home from Paris especially for the BLS ones in November. But these were crap as a) I couldn't see them an b) they scared the animals. In fact I have a wet patch on my leg I think the dog might have done a frightened wee.

Evilwater Sat 04-May-13 23:00:07

What about deep space nine?

ValiumQueen Sat 04-May-13 23:06:09

Deep Space Nine is the only one I could never get into.

I love Enterprise.

Must find this film

Evilwater Sat 04-May-13 23:20:29

Isn't werid that when the original series came out they had those flip up communicators, and now we all have them!


Izzybuzzybuzzybees Sun 05-May-13 00:09:57

Feeding again......

Kyzordz Sun 05-May-13 00:39:47

Oh izzy sad you manage so well, i'd be on my knees I reckon or worse wish I knew what to suggest. Hugs x

GTbaby Sun 05-May-13 02:13:26

Hello det and pik

Big hugs chasing n lily.

Sry just skim read so will have missed alot.

Well update. I've mAnAged a poop! Does a lil jig. First in a week! Weaning myself off painkillers as I can't Handel being blocked up. N also need to get bk on iron pills hmm
On SPd front when I lay still its ok. grin Still can't walk unaided but I'm not in confusedconstant kinda pain. Still sleeping downstairs, but think I'm gona try stairs tomorrow. I want my bed.
Think I better sleep.

LuisGarcia Sun 05-May-13 03:05:15


StuntNun Sun 05-May-13 03:05:52

Four hours between feeds yay probably because I tired J out with a long bath and nothing to do with the mojito DH made for me earlier.

I have a 1.4kg joint of silverside marinating in a random collection of stuff (bay leaves, thyme, mace, salt, pepper, ground mustard seeds, horseradish sauce and cranberry sauce). WIBU to go and put it in the slow cooker now so it will be extra tender at dinner time?

LuisGarcia Sun 05-May-13 03:16:10

Depends how slow your slow cooker is. Anything above 59 degrees, yes. If it's 59 degrees then expect me at your door in a few hours

ValiumQueen Sun 05-May-13 05:18:19

What a quiet night. Hopefully you are still all asleep, especially Izzy.

J woke at 4, self settled, then was awake at 4.30. Crap daytime sleep usually means crap night, so I am very impressed. He was not impressed with 4oz bottle, but he seems to have settled again.

Evil, I was hoping they would have developed the beaming up by now. And the hand held medical scanners. I confess to really missing my little flip phone due to its Star Trek-esque qualities.

Stunt I do not think it is possible to over-do a joint of beef in a slo-cooker. Chicken lamb and pork yes, but not beef. Obviously if you cooked it for a week it would be a tad ruined....

I can hear frantic thumb sucking from DD2 bless her.

Sophiathesnowfairy Sun 05-May-13 05:42:57

stunt that sounds delicious. I would put it in the slow cooker now. (Or then)<mouth watering emoticon>

MissMummy1 Sun 05-May-13 06:28:24

Lily what everyone else has said. You are amazing. grin

Chasing you are alao amazing but this is not your forever life. Happiness and safety are waiting whenever you are ready x

brew Izzy

YW bugger about the blinds.

And hope you are feeling better Clarella - I was cured by aspirin yesterday.

Well M slept for 3 hours in her pushchair yesterday while I got everything done downstairs upstairs has been hit by a bomb confused Flipside was come bedtime she was wired. So I broke all the rules and let her play and chat herself out in my bed while I tried to snooze.

I have a manchild. He is currently camping in the Perthshire countryside with himself and his new stove. I have told him he will need to rehome it if we buy the colony apartment we are hopefully going to see next week that I havent driven past 10 times this week to check out from outside grin blush

PetiteRaleuse Sun 05-May-13 07:00:13

Morning all. Gorgeous day here. We're going off to sBelgium for the day to walk in the Ardennes, have a picnic and eat chips.

Lily311 Sun 05-May-13 07:10:58

We were up from 4.30, O is sick. Taking her to dr today, thankfully my uncle is a paediatrician so combining it with family visit. She has snotty nose and infected eyes, poor little lamb.

Chasing, I can't imagine what you are going through. I've never been in an abusing relationship but many of my friends have, it's really hard. As for clingy baby, I think I mentioned that O screamed at everyone till week 19. She would not accept cuddles from anyone apart from me. I took her to osteopath which helped a bit but than at week 19 something clicked. Thanks fuck for that. I'm glad you stood up for yourself.

Oh, it's 30 degrees here. Crazy. But so nice.

kirrinIsland Sun 05-May-13 07:18:27

She slept through!!!! Half 8 til 7. She stirred at 6 but settled herself back. And DD1 is still asleep. If only it were like this every night! They had a busy day though, so I don't think they'll be doing it again in a hurry.

pr sounds like you have a lovely day planned.

I fell off the diet wagon spectacularly yesterday - must do better today...

StuntNun Sun 05-May-13 07:51:06

The silverside is in! I didn't get up in the middle of the night to put it on but I did do it first thing this morning. I'm a bit worried as I usually use brisket but the butcher didn't have any. I did some research on the Internet and found out that silverside is brilliant in the slow cooker / can't be done in the slow cooker / must be done on a low heat / definitely shouldn't be done on a low heat so I'm going to wing it and hope for the best.

TheDetective Sun 05-May-13 08:05:50

Very. Bad. Night.

Self inflicted. O woke at 1.30. He wanted a feed. He most definitely did not need a feed. He has done this for 3 days again. So I snapped. Told DP I'd rather be up all night and knock this on the head than go back to two night feeds. blush

I knew he didn't need the feed. He just wanted it. I was up nearly 2.5 hours perservering. He was rocked and shushed. Even bought the pram up and rocked him in that wish the cot was a giant rocker.

Ended up doing pupd. He worked himself in to a frenzy of fucked offness and I could have so easily given in. I suspect most would sad

But I'm at the end of my coping for more than 1 wake up. He has to learn to self settle and he has to learn to sleep.

In the end he fell asleep in my arms being serenaded with twinkle twinkle over and over for 40 fucking minutes.

He prompty slept til 7.40 and has just woken up at 7.40 and been offered a feed. He took 6oz so not starving at all. He seems totally chilled out and happy. In fact he didn't seem to wake wanting a feed. I just gave one anyway because I feel awful.

He seems perfectly fine. Thank fuck. I was so worried. But he wakes so many times some nights I had to do something for all our sanity.

If he can sleep through or atleast til nearly 6 most nights and is having 5 good feeds plus solids during they day, then there is no reason he should need 2 bloody night feeds. Yesterday he had 2 night feeds, 5 day feeds

TheDetective Sun 05-May-13 08:08:34

Stupid phone. angry

Plus 2 meals. And water. Which I offered him overnight by the way I'm not that mean!.

O just sat himself up mid feed and burped himself! WTF!!! hmm He literally did a stomach crunch til he was sat upright. confused

BigPigLittlePig Sun 05-May-13 08:10:25

My experience with silverside is thus, stunt. After moving into our last house, the ILs came for Sunday lunch. DH had bought a nice joint of silverside, it went in the oven something like 4 hours pre-dinner, so plenty of time you would think. Dsd had a hideous virus with a temp through the roof, we all nodded off on the sofa. Awoke 30 minutes pre-IL-arrival, to find that the beef was still tres rare. Fecking oven was broken, so effectively slow cooked the beef for about, ooh, 8 hours or something. In the end it was lovely still raw inside though.

I have never watched Star Trek, but hand held diagnostic scanner, yw?? Yes please, I'll take 2.

Luis how's things?
Prsorry to hear about missed fireworks, shitty shutters and dog piss.
Kyz tea at 8pm? Tell them you were going continental.

I need to be stricter about daytime naps when dh is home I think.

TheDetective Sun 05-May-13 08:18:40

I really don't know how others do it night in night out. sad

Maybe I'm just not cut out for this.

PurplePidjin Sun 05-May-13 08:26:20

9:30-1:30, 2-4 and 4:30-6

Finally improving grin

ChasingDaisy Sun 05-May-13 08:39:50


Looks better written down than it feels.

BigPigLittlePig Sun 05-May-13 08:40:14

Detective in some ways it's easier when every night is utter shite. You get used to it. The randomness is tricky - when F was sleeping 8-3-7, she'd occasionally throw a curveball and wake up loads just because she could and it would near enough finish me off.

ChasingDaisy Sun 05-May-13 08:54:18

What pig said. I can just about cope with two night feeds. Any more and I really struggle. You really do just adapt to it.

BigPigLittlePig Sun 05-May-13 09:03:16

I feel like in the past few days, massive backwards steps have been taken. She is impossible to get to nap - it used to take 5 minutes to get her to sleep, now she is hysterical and it takes a good 20-30 minutes, for no more than a 30 minute nap. Plus shit night sleep. What the fuck is going on??? I really thought that, at nearly 6 months old, she would have cracked this sleeping shit.

TooManyDicksOnTheDancefloor Sun 05-May-13 09:04:51

PR, I am so jealous of your day, it sounds amazing envy

Big hugs to Lily, i hope your LO is better soon.Q

Stay strong chasing, when you're ready to leave you'll have friends in whichever area of the UK you choose to move to, due to this Fred.

Sorry you're not feeling great clarella and that you missed Eddie.We love him here, we went to see him about three years ago in Liverpool.

Sorry you had such a shit night det. The pizza sounds erm, interesting? I've not tried that, not sure I will either! I made chicken rendang out of the taste of Asia cookbook last night, it tasted amazing.

B had her first bottle of formula last night, it was a great success! I gave it her as a dream feed at 10, she downed 7oz and slept through till 7.30am. I am now going to do this every night.

I hope it's hot here today, I've bought stuff for a BBQ.

Passmethecrisps Sun 05-May-13 09:07:40


I second the sentiment about having total respek for people who cope with multiple waking a overnight. Randomly P woke at about 3ish. She seemed tired initially but multiple dummy returns and Ewan noise didn't work. Then she decided just to make it get up time. She was happy enough so I tried to ignore her but I can't. The she started to get pissed off as she obviously wanted to be asleep but was too awake to manage alone. Eventually I gave up and shoosh patted her with some rocking. I got back into bed at 5am thinking that maybe she would sleep longer. Nope. Singing again at 6:50. She has forgotten how to self-settle. Boo. She is in bed again now having done the 3 day poo she has been needing.

Oh. In the middle of all of this the cat decided she would help by coming in to P's room and singing a lullaby. DH silently appeared on the room picked the cat up and carried her off. She waited patiently for me to return and eased me to sleep by sitting on my arse. Obviously move and squishy.

YellowWellies Sun 05-May-13 09:08:57

8.30-10.30-5.30-9 only one night waking where I had to haul ass out of bed. Hell yes! Also he is the most delightful smiley wee soul in the morning. Right off to (baby free!) yoga - have a good one xxx

YellowWellies Sun 05-May-13 09:11:28

Pass my mog sleeps on my arse too. He was also the subject of a night waking - an evil banshee cat came in the cat flap and started caterwauling - poor Mr Cat needed my assistance to evict it. Yes that is his name blush

TooManyDicksOnTheDancefloor Sun 05-May-13 09:11:54

Sorry if my post about sleeping through was insensitive. She's been waking a lot recently, it was just to say how successful the formula was.

Izzybuzzybuzzybees Sun 05-May-13 09:21:21

Sleep???? I don't think I know what this anymore sad

Passmethecrisps Sun 05-May-13 09:23:31

Pha to that toomany! How on earth would we all cope if it wasn't for people coming on to say "they fucking did it!!! Yahoo!!" It's the only way of knowing that everything does, indeed, pass.

ValiumQueen Sun 05-May-13 09:25:35

Dicks we are really pleased for you x

We will have a fucking party when Izzy gets a good night (((hug))

MissMummy1 Sun 05-May-13 09:30:02

Hugs izzy

My sleepdodger was only content in my bed last night. This is a massive backwards step. envy

Passmethecrisps Sun 05-May-13 09:31:33

Evil neighbour cat YW. Thankfully pussy is an indoor cat so her space is only invaded by her own imagination. We are also fierce defenders of pussy territory. Neighbour cats like to come and stare in the French doors thus turning pussy into a frantic furball of fear and fury. I have been known to chase said pussies across the lawn yowling.

Mr Cat is an awesome name.

ValiumQueen Sun 05-May-13 09:33:19

It is far too early for pussy talk.

Passmethecrisps Sun 05-May-13 09:34:38

Big hugs to izzy

StuntNun Sun 05-May-13 09:42:40

Look at the thread title again BigPig, it might explain LittlePig's recent ishoos.

Nice one Dicks it's lovely to get a good night's sleep.

I had a luvverly bath grin but J is asleep in his cot, still in his pyjamas without having had breakfast despite me leaving clothes laid out for him and instructing DH to mash banana or make porridge or indeed make banana porridge for him. Sigh.

Clarella Sun 05-May-13 09:43:52

ah that's great dicks!

not sure what was going on last night suffice to say weird and shit but I wondered if it was teething at bedtime as the last feed which is usually both breasts was interrupted and he was interrupted.

feel physically better thanks. just getting so down about stuff. feels like he's more needy than a newborn and all this medication is doing our heads in. some feeds I'm really struggling with. or rather he is. huge argument with dh over his 'forgetting' ti give nystatin on Friday as thrush still there. I just felt it's unsupportive as I'm trying to preserve our bf relationship, get feeding back on track and hopefully also sleep. and we don't need thrush! I didnt realise how much it can affect feeding too so now am feeling like I'm going mad regarding reflux etc. all I know is pillows and gavisgon have helped. we really don't know how much omeprozole he's getting if any. he's spitting it all out from what I can see. so with no gavisgon maybe that didn't help. sorry to ask again but how else could omeprozole be taken? think detective mentioned tablets? doc had no idea. tempted to ask for ranitadine as doc read out all the different ways that comes as it's been around for longer.

annoyingly amongst my nct group more babies than not appear to have the whole sleep thing sorted. which doesn't help either of me or dh as he thinks we're doing wrong and I loose confidence as a mum.

trying to count blessings. its a beautiful day and we're going for g's first swim lesson later smile

Clarella Sun 05-May-13 10:04:03

hugs izzy

BigPigLittlePig Sun 05-May-13 10:14:07

But stunt, just no. No! She's only just done with the 4 month one, and only just turned 5 months.

In all seriousness though, it does seem like reflux again so have got some ebm defrosting for gaviscon tonight. We'll be away to the GP for a spot of munchausening next week.

Hopes everyone gets my terrible joke and doesn't think I'm an actual psycho

Just pureed some melon. F slurped down 2 spoons of melon flavoured water puree.

Evilwater Sun 05-May-13 10:59:36

Morning all,
Do I get the prize for the first snot bubble lasting a minute? Finally he is asleep for his morning nap, so I have to be quick. Nite went well, he had porridge for breakfast and was interested in it. grin


PennieLane Sun 05-May-13 11:47:34

Sorry to everyone with crap nights and to all those suffering with reflux babies, it sounds so tough.

LO woke every two hours and fed for an hour each time do have had about 4 hours sleep. She's slept through at least 11-7 from 8 weeks, with a minor blip at 4 months. This 6 months is a lot lot lot worse than four months, plus I think we have the first tooth coming through which isn't helping. Argh. Feel like I have a newborn again. Supposed to be having a 10 year anniversary lunch and leaving LO with MIL but think I'd rather sleep!! hmm

Has everyone else's babies already got teeth?

Brockle Sun 05-May-13 12:06:46

I can add to the crap nights. two wakes and feeds made worse by ds2 coming in our bed twice. glands up today and wisdom tooth attempting to grow so feel crap. DH has taken big boys shopping so me and Y are chilling.

no teeth yet but wish they would hurry up.

Y is brilliant and the happiest of chappies so just riding it out until he realizes that sleep is cool again dh better bring back chocolate

StuntNun Sun 05-May-13 12:10:33

No sign of any teeth here Pennie at 24 weeks.

YellowWellies Sun 05-May-13 12:10:51

Clarella ask for omeperazole in tablet form (we use losec mups) which you mix with water and give by oral syringe. Much less pukey than the liquid.

ValiumQueen Sun 05-May-13 12:50:54

I have papaya and I am not afraid to use it. First time for all of us actually.

J nap dodged yesterday, but is making up for it today. Put down at 10 and still asleep. He has only had one bottle so far. He is in the pushchair as would not settle in the cot.

To those who are frustrated at babies no longer sleeping through at night, remember how very young they are, how fast they are growing and developing mentally etc. Their sleep patterns change, they are more aware of the fact they are awake and can be frightened or lonely, they may well not be hungry, but they want comfort for whatever reason. Please try to imagine what it is like for them, and be grateful they are sleeping better than Izzys little one. He definitely wins the award for sleep dodging.

fruitpastilles Sun 05-May-13 13:09:52

No teeth yet either pennie if she is anything like me she won't have any for a while, I didn't get my first tooth till I was 14 months old.

Well after weeks and weeks of trying and getting cross with herself S has finally managed to roll back to front. Wonder if this will be like rolling front to back when she done it for 2 days and never again since.
We are off out for the afternoon in a bit, my cousin is over from Canada and can't wait to see S again, she was 8 weeks old when she last saw her smile

Izzybuzzybuzzybees Sun 05-May-13 13:15:25

Aaw vq thanks for thinking of me. I am struggling as he is just supremely crap at sleeping :-(

We went to church this morning, he wanted fed fifteen minutes into the service. Exact same timing as last week. Last week I took him out and fed him but this time I braved feeding in church. My heart was pounding! I have no problems feeding in public but wasn't sure what church and BF etiquette was! A little old couple said to DH "good for her" whilst I was feeding smile

pennie we have one tooth here. J is almost 27 weeks tho so one of the oldest.

On major holiday countdown now....3 sleeps til IBIZA!!!!!

Thechick Sun 05-May-13 13:38:25

Hello all. I do try to keep up but there's always so much talking. H is a delight to mother. I'm enjoying him so much. He's just getting his first tooth and he's 30 weeks today. You can just see it poking through. Ds1 didn't get teeth until 9 months. And he's still waking twice. I think I've given in to it. He will sleep through at some point.

BigPigLittlePig Sun 05-May-13 14:02:19

Izzy I'd be scared of squirting milk at the person sat in front blush - "er, roofs leaking again?!" Well done though. Am totally not envy at holiday countdown though, ooohhh noo.

No teeth here pennie thank god

Interested to see what you think of papaya, vq, I kept tasting it because I just couldn't decide. DH tried melon for the first time last night, said it tasted of alcohol hmm

Speaking of dh, please do all line up to give him a bit of a virtual slap he's given his permission - unhelpful comment of the year award this morning goes to him, for the following. Said at 9am, when I had been up since 6 3rd day in a row and despite promising me a lie in "oooh <stretches> I slept so well last night"

ValiumQueen Sun 05-May-13 14:09:01

I have fed all three in church. Never had anything but positive feedback. I would have twatted anyone who dared to though grin Jesus was breast fed smile

J woke very happy after his three hour nap, and was a tad hungry. Just waiting for milk to go down before trying papaya.

Pikz Sun 05-May-13 14:13:34

Lily huge hugs... Am in awe of you and how you have coped thanks

Chasing big hugs!

Izzy VQ is right we shall have a party when you get to sleep brew

Sorry to hear about multiple shot nights from people.

We don't have much of a night problem but daytime is horrendous. We have massive hysterics before every nap and waking hysterically too. Not sure how to fix it.

I'm having major meltdowns about a hen do I have to go to next weekend overnight. I'm not sure I can do it. Any advice on coping?

Motherhood is weird, in one breath I desperately want a little time off and a break and yet the thought of leaving him for a weekend makes me feed sick sad

TheDetective Sun 05-May-13 14:34:52

Pikz it's mummy guilt. sad

I'm the same. Think I'd love a day off. Hate the thought of it. hmm

O is a happy boy today smile

I'm fucking knackered, razor throat, burnt nose, flem coming up. And SIL has dumped her 5 year old on us. I've told DP he's in full charge.

I'm just not well enough to be looking after other people's kids right now.

SIL has gone on an all day and night sesh to Blackpool btw. hmm

MsJupiterJones Sun 05-May-13 14:36:55

Jesus did BLW too though VQ.

TheDetective Sun 05-May-13 14:39:03

10lb off shock shock shock

Must be working!!

TheDetective Sun 05-May-13 14:39:45

Hows the papaya gone VQ?!

PetiteRaleuse Sun 05-May-13 14:55:22

I'd love a day off and feel not in the least guilty about it.
As it is when DH takes one out on Saturday mornings and I have just the other the uninterupted one on one time is very special.

Lovely gorgeous morning and early afternoon out. Drove to Belgium, had a walk and dog run in s forest, ate a picnic by a river, drove on up to the north of Lux and back via lovely gorgeous countryside. Girls slept the last 90 minutes in the car so are up and very active, and we are both knackered by the sun. Wish had remembered sun hat and lotion for myself and not just thought about the girls.

No teeth here. DD1 was almost 9 months when her first came down, then they all followed quite quickly.

PetiteRaleuse Sun 05-May-13 14:56:30

That's very debateable jupiter

ValiumQueen Sun 05-May-13 15:11:48

I guess there were no blenders or freezers 2000 years ago.

Papaya a roaring success. Just mushed with a fork, so quite brave of me. He loved it and managed the lumps and fibres. Arms and legs waving, laughing, and that was just me grin

StuntNun Sun 05-May-13 15:14:16

Bet Jesus didn't get weaned on papaya either seeing as it's native to the Americas <starts bunfight>

BigPigLittlePig Sun 05-May-13 15:19:07

<pulls up chair to observe bun fight>

Nice one det - that's 2 newborn Fs you've lost!

ValiumQueen Sun 05-May-13 15:29:13

I could never throw a bun. Buns are for eating not throwing.

TheDetective Sun 05-May-13 15:33:55

I've dropped two babies! Hurrah! grin

Me and O off for a soak in the bath together smile I love things like that.

O just managed a lump of banana woohoo!

TheDetective Sun 05-May-13 15:34:37

Buns... Mmmmmmmm.

sad damn it!

PetiteRaleuse Sun 05-May-13 15:35:25

Apparently the Romans, so around Jesus time, only weaned once babies had all their milk teeth <winces>

Got that off the lll site.

BigPigLittlePig Sun 05-May-13 15:37:11

Gosh, fruits mum would have been feeding forever!

PetiteRaleuse Sun 05-May-13 15:45:20

Ooh I have a recipe for iced buns that I have been meaning to try...

ValiumQueen Sun 05-May-13 15:50:36

I have remembered a redeeming quality of DH's. he makes very good buns.

Yesterday he made a Stilton and cranberry loaf. It did not last overnight. It was fucking awesome!!,

J asleep again. In pushchair. I guess with the school runs he is used to that.

MsJupiterJones Sun 05-May-13 17:15:13

Just in case anyone thought I was being serious then... I wasn't blush

He definitely liked buns though. I'm sure of that.

TheDetective Sun 05-May-13 17:40:22

Ahhh. Good job my last post doesn't seem to have worked! Posted miserably saying O would only take 3oz of pepti jr. But that was DP giving it. I've sung another 3oz in to him. So he's had his usual amount.

Fingers crossed now!

Fuck you lot and your buns!

Clarella Sun 05-May-13 18:14:50

thanks yw smile
sorry posting not proper catch up
better day smile and g does seem to be less fussy when feeding which is interesting, and generally less whingy as a result....

was insanely proud of him at swimming, only baby not crying and was really chilled out grin

TheDetective Sun 05-May-13 18:41:08

O is pretty calm this evening. I am not holding out hope. But please let him just continue!

ChasingDaisy Sun 05-May-13 18:54:13

Agh no time to catch up on thread today! Will post my news now and then catch up.

Had a nice day today. Went out for Sunday lunch with my Dad, Stepmum, Brother and Aunt & Uncle who were visiting from Yorkshire. O was his usual screaming self when held by anyone else but my family were awesome about it. My Aunt said that he's at the age where he has come out of his baby bubble and realises that every person is not mummy or daddy. She said she is sure it is just a faze. No judgey-ness to be seen. He did charm everyone by smiling and chatting from mine and P's laps. He had a taste of some parsnip too which he seemed to like.

They also bought a highchair and booster seat for O, donated by my cousin. O loves it! He looks so grown up smile sad He loves being able to see everything but ended up slumping to his right as usual as he got tired trying not to worry about this

He had dinner of a couple of mouthfuls of parsnip puree and a spoon of apple and blueberry puree for dinner.

He has been bloody awesome today. He was overtired at lunch but there were no meltdowns, other than clingy screaming and he smiled at the waitress and babbled and squealed away to himself.

My Aunt also gave me a bread maker so am excited to find out how to use it and start making my own bread again smile

I hope the quiche are well and I will catch up now.

StuntNun Sun 05-May-13 19:26:27

The beef was lovely by the way: tender and flavoursome with a truly awesome gravy. It was in the slow cooker for ten hours in total. It's nice to spend the day knowing your dinner is cooking away, I must use the slow cooker more often. J had a couple of green beans and a few bits of carrot to gum but I don't think he's quite got the hang of those food idea yet.

PurplePidjin Sun 05-May-13 19:27:07

Evening all brew i have nothing useful to say

ValiumQueen Sun 05-May-13 19:33:15

I am drooling at the thought of that stunt!

Chasing glad you had a good day. About time you had a nice meal out x

BigPigLittlePig Sun 05-May-13 19:36:17

Gaviscon duly dispensed, let's hope it gives F a bit of respite.

MILs little nugget today, to dp luckily for her - ""pig must start sharing F, she's made her into a really clingy baby". This alongside telling me that breast milk production cannot keep up with the demands of a baby greater than 12lbs, and that's why she doesn't sleep. Smile and nod

Clarella Sun 05-May-13 19:37:00

woo hoo detective! that's fab !

really worried about a mate who had baby on Friday. they discharged before .he was properly latching and she really really wants to breast feed she knows it was silly. I've said - skin to skin, biological nursing, call helplines and call hospital for advice. .bf support is shit here (newcastle) but in sunderland amazing it seems. (our lll leader there and runs a tight ship) not sure what else to advise. her fil was there, farmer, and said yep just like t'sheep. which I agreed! Dh says don't go over top with advice but I know it's crucial to get them latching now? might it be too late?

left her with my 'food of love book' too. confused hope that doesn't make her upset as it does go on about how great bf is but also has amazing advice. wwyd?

Clarella Sun 05-May-13 19:39:08

so gald you had a good day and decent opinions and advice chasing!

oooh stunt yuuuumy! might try that next wknd! we don't use our slow cooker enough for meat.

Clarella Sun 05-May-13 19:41:14

quick q --before I stop spamming the thread--detective and others battling reflex hell - are they more agitated and fussy when reflux playing up?

BigPigLittlePig Sun 05-May-13 19:41:24

Clarella exactly what you have done. Will the mw be going to see her as well - could she ask for some help there? My community mw was amazing, and more useful than anyone I've seen before or after. Babies can always relearn their latch too, even if things do get off to a shaky start.

BigPigLittlePig Sun 05-May-13 19:42:37

Clarella yes. In a word.

YellowWellies Sun 05-May-13 19:57:29

Clarella fussy is one word for it. 'Total fucking screamy nightmares' is four wink

Had a wonderful day - started off with 1.5 hours of yoga - baby free! Then we went for a guided tour of the botanic gardens in Edinburgh in the sun. Jonas got to wear sunscreen for the first time ever it was that sunny. He charmed the old dear who was our guide and the others in the party with his grinning, giggling and babbling. Then DH has topped it all off by making roast belly pork. I nommed it listening to him bath the boy to gales of laughter. Am so lucky to have such gorgeous boys in my life. A really fucking good day smile smile smile smile smile smile smile

ChasingDaisy Sun 05-May-13 19:58:39

Pig your MIL and mine should meet. I think they would get on well.

I think O and F are kindred spirits.

TheDetective Sun 05-May-13 20:04:58

What YW said grin.

O didn't cry through dinner.


Clarella Sun 05-May-13 20:38:00

bplp - I told them the mw can come and visit every day if you ask and to keep asking for help. I worry they won't get enough help to help lo learn to latch now sad (its really important to her she bfs) I know so much about bf I'd know what to do who to ask but it's hard to impose too much on newbies!

yes I think I meant screamy too wink certainly had my share of that, always with feeding. so many times he's been happy and quiet and I've seen cues for a feed or offered and 2 mins later I wished I'd never bothered. tt snip helped greatly as less air swallowing but issues still there. he's seemed calmer all round today (fed twice in carshock - calmly shock shock ) so wondering if the little we're getting into him has had a bit of an effect?

fx o is better detective and you have a better night. you too izzy and anyone else potentially having a tough one tonight.

ChasingDaisy Sun 05-May-13 20:39:28

Finally caught up...

Sounds like some lovely days were had today. This makes me happy smile

VQ those were very wise words you spoke earlier about sleep. I try very hard to see things from O's point of view and I know it won't last forever. He has developed an awful lot over this last month, which I think accounts for a lot of his clinginess and I'm sure his brain must be working overtime. So I'm not surprised he can't switch off long enough to sleep for more than 4 hours at a time or wants cuddles at 5am.

Mrpig consider yourself duly slapped. Nobody had yet dared to boast of a good nights sleep in front of me. I will not be held responsible for my actions if they do.

Lily how are you getting on?

Luis how is your knee? Come out to play!

Clarella Sun 05-May-13 20:43:20

wow what a lovely day yw! love the botanical gardens smile

we went and stood on a giant naked lady with limestone nipples and had an ice cream grin (northlandia)

dhs and partners first building under their new practice (2 and half years old) came second to it in a recent architecture awards thingy smile it's his partner who's had the little baby boy smile smile

Clarella Sun 05-May-13 20:47:42

chasing I think they develop separation anxiety soon so maybe part of that? I know some don't like ww but the current phase is supposed to be to do with 'relationships' or distances ie where something is in relation to something else. so where mummy is (or isn't!)

ChasingDaisy Sun 05-May-13 20:51:30

Clarella I quite like WW. It makes a lot of sense to me and sounds exactly like what O is going through at the moment. I'm not worried by it, other people's reactions just piss me off.

He is teeny tiny human being and the in-laws expect far too much of him.

I'm his mummy and it would be wrong if I wasn't the most important person in his life. I want him to have a strong bond with me and a secure base. That will make him more secure in the long run. Are you listening MILpig ?

PurplePidjin Sun 05-May-13 20:54:16

Clarella slightly different scenario but I've had pretty much fuck all support other than lovely CC lady making calls. I would have massively appreciated someone turning up in the first few days after dp got out of hospital including my own mother and doing something practical to help. If your friend is truly a friend she will be pleased you care and tell you to butt out if necessary smile