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November 2012 - Starting weaning, what does your baby eat?

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StuntNun Thu 25-Apr-13 07:35:43
PurplePidjin Thu 25-Apr-13 07:55:26

brew

MadamGazelleIsMyMum Thu 25-Apr-13 08:04:29

biscuit to go with pidj's brew

BigPigLittlePig Thu 25-Apr-13 08:26:40

Fists are the only thing on Fs menu. Left, or right - how to choose?

fruitpastilles Thu 25-Apr-13 09:41:58

Hair and grass are S's chosen delicacies grin

PurplePidjin Thu 25-Apr-13 09:45:05

Yummy feet, muslin and mummy and daddy's hair are all enjoyed by PidjChick. Spoons and cups, not so much hmm

Pikz Thu 25-Apr-13 10:37:12

Annoying orange and likely to stain is favoured here!

ChasingDaisy Thu 25-Apr-13 15:05:44

Fingers (not fussy whose), muslins, toys, cucumber and broccoli so far here.

fruitpastilles Thu 25-Apr-13 16:10:30

S tried cucumber today, she managed to get it from her bumbo tray yes I know I need to get her a highchair to her mouth and pulled the funniest face when she got it in her mouth. Not sure if it was the taste the cold or the texture. Can't wait to see her try other things.

BigPigLittlePig Thu 25-Apr-13 20:58:21

Sorry izzy blush

Izzybuzzybuzzybees Thu 25-Apr-13 20:59:53

Well done bplp excellent thread ending! I hit post too late!

YellowWellies Thu 25-Apr-13 21:03:29

LO has tried sweet potato, pear, parsnip, cucumber and the cat's tail confused

MadamGazelleIsMyMum Thu 25-Apr-13 21:07:02

DS went mental for mango today, but turned away from courgette. Can't say I blame him, really.

Izzybuzzybuzzybees Thu 25-Apr-13 21:07:21

I can't get anything into James' mouth. He clamps it shut!

BigPigLittlePig Thu 25-Apr-13 21:11:39

Izzy I felt a tiny bit panicky when I thought you might steal it from under my toes lol need to get a life

MsJupiterJones Thu 25-Apr-13 21:15:13

Agh got caught out by the thread finishing and hadn't taken my own advice to copy and paste blush

VQ that is shit and I am very sorry about the bloody doctor.

We were having a similar conversation at the hospital today, paediatrician said there was no follow on milk for Nutramigen & suggested we try him on some normal formula in case he's grown out of CMPI. Thought we were going to get some advice on weaning but he just said to try stuff and see what happens. Er... thanks for that.

BigPigLittlePig Thu 25-Apr-13 21:15:44

For the past 4 nights, 4 nights where the cat hasn't been asleep on my bed next to Fs cot, she has not settled quickly or easily at the start of the night. It's like she know. Maybe she can usually hear him breathing/purring.

Catbag Thu 25-Apr-13 21:16:01

So far we have had success with: butternut squash, sweet potato, parsnip, carrot, broccoli, garden peas, red lentils, homemade cauliflower cheese (although that is temporarily on hold until I make some with goats' milk), mange tout, sugarsnap peas, pear, apple, banana and marmite on toast. They luffs marmite on toast.

Izzybuzzybuzzybees Thu 25-Apr-13 21:18:05

Wow cat that's a really good assortment you have been giving! I don't know what to do about an and his refusal open his fecking mouth!

MissMummy1 Thu 25-Apr-13 21:18:31

Everything is food. Including the dog hmm

YW -9lbs14oz? Ouch. I actually like the name Felicity. I wasn't allowed it though.

So sorry the GP was a twunt VQ

Congrats team Kyz - she is gorgeous but I am happily NOT broody smile

Do you remember ages ago me whinging about the village nutjob who had befriended me but then thought it was her god given right to invite herself to my house and dish out advice about M? Well after weeks of ignoring her she sent me some pretty poisonous messages about a fortnight ago. Something along the lines of me being a fucking idiot and knowing nothing about life hmm . I replied asking her not to contact me again and then put the subject to bed and forgot about it after a big sob fest and days questioning my own parenting skills blush . Well I ran into another woman from the group today who asked me if I had seen her. My reply "Nope, and after the nasty text messages she sent me out of the blue I am keeping my distance" Those were my exact words. I maybe should have said nothing but I was flustered. Well the psycho witch texted me tonight accusing me of turning people against her (are we 5 ffs!?) I have ignored it and put a block on her number but how the fuck do I live here without being scared of running into her!? And the other woman it seems. She is a complete nutter. and I am a complete wimp who will never feel sorry for strange people with a good sob story again

DP being less than supportive. I hate him tonight for no reason except the fact Inam due a period so thank god he is at work blush

Catbag Thu 25-Apr-13 21:19:11

Also, Organix do these fruit puree pots that they go mad for. I think S would do just about anything for the apple and vanilla one, given the amount of flapping arm and chimp noise action that accompanies the eating of said pot.

MsJupiterJones Thu 25-Apr-13 21:28:28

Back on topic. We've done (with ratings):

Carrot grin
Cucumber gringrin
Pear grin
Avocado grin
Celery sad
Broccoli gringringringrin
Butternut squash grin
Mango gringrin
Baby corn grin
Pepper shock
Apple gringringringringrin (then cried when there wasn't more)

Actually he usually makes a face like this confused with a new food but then wants more!

MsJupiterJones Thu 25-Apr-13 21:30:29

And banana gringringrin, how could I forget.

Evilwater Thu 25-Apr-13 21:31:24

Hi all, I just need to put this down.
Life has been good, a little lonely but good. I'm still feeling tired all the time, but I've bought some multi- vitamins to see if that helps.

Tonight has been, an eye opener. I'm so glad, I've said for my sister to look after nick if anything happens. Nick has a sore throat, and his crys are sharp. Around 6 he started to cry, and p came down the stairs and took over. Which is fine, as I can do the meal. But he couldn't cope with him crying. There was a point, where I was worried for N. I could have sworn, P would have shaken him if I wasn't there.

Evil

YellowWellies Thu 25-Apr-13 21:32:23

Woo Cat bag mmmm Marmite on toast (or in my case dairy free bagel) I could go for that now myself. Hmmm haven't had it since going dairy free - bet there's butter traces in my jar - must buy a new one tomorrow. grin

Catbag Thu 25-Apr-13 21:34:18

mm Shit, she really is crazy. I would just keep doing what you are doing and stay as bland as possible. I am inclined to think that the other women are trying to do the same thing (ie carefully withdrawing), otherwise she would have accused you of slagging her off, rather than turning people against her. Don't be drawn.

kyz wooo! Congrats to your mum!

vq I am pissed off on your behalf that you have had to fight so hard each time you have been in to see the gp. Well fucking done for standing your ground x

YellowWellies Thu 25-Apr-13 21:34:34

Evil sorry cross post. <hugs> that must have been scary shock

Evilwater Thu 25-Apr-13 21:34:38

Congrats on all the weaning.
Evil

Passmethecrisps Thu 25-Apr-13 21:36:50

Awesome ratings JJ! I share the sad face at celery. It is bleaurgh.

Penelope's favourite things to nom are her fingers, my fingers, her own feet, ikea bear's arm, captain calamari's tentacles and my hair.

She liked playing with a spoon today. She found it highly amusing.

No actual food stuffs.

TheDetective Thu 25-Apr-13 21:37:17

Helloooooo!!

VQ go you! Tears and snot no matter... it gets the job done! Have you given his first dose? What dosage have they started him on?

Kyz Congratulations! Shes gorgeous, saw her pic on facebook earlier!

Weaning is going utterly fantabulous here. O progressed to carrots. O likes carrots. O also liked sucking on cucumber like it was one of his teething dummies. Had it in his mouth sideways one, while I desperately tried keeping hold of the damn thing!

I am not sure how well we are going to be able to stick to the 3 day thing, he just seems to want to taste everything he can get near at the minute. Hence the added cucumber.

In the best news ever for me we have had NO FUCKING VOMITING! SLEEPING!!!!!!!!! AND NO GRUMPY BABY!!! Except at dinner time. Par for the course that is. He hates it when we eat hmm.

Oh my word. I just got a total de ja vu feeling then. I have no idea why. Weird. confused

I am so thankful that O has done better with food. He is taking a 70ml pot of puree. He would take more. Except I won't defrost a second pot for him greedy chops. That is twice a day too. He hasn't dropped his milk, and is in fact taking more. <Sobs loudly with relief in to quiche bosom>.

Tonight, I joined slimming world. Time to get this bastard fat off. I've never done it. God help me. I have no idea what I am doing, other than 30g of cheese? Are you kidding?! I'm fucked! Any tips from anyone? Other than read the book?!

Evilwater Thu 25-Apr-13 21:39:57

I'm just.....well.... Stunned. Not sure what to do now. He's calmed down now, but he's under alot of stress.

Obviously, he's not going to be with N alone.

Evil

BigPigLittlePig Thu 25-Apr-13 21:40:28

Detective slimming world is what my bezzie has been doing. About as clear as mud to me...but she's lost 2.5 stone yes read the book So glad to hear O is better, let's hope all the other refluxers follow suit.

BigPigLittlePig Thu 25-Apr-13 21:40:59

Evil have you spoken to him about it?

kirrinIsland Thu 25-Apr-13 21:42:35

Offline for a couple of days and I've missed half a thread I think. I don't know why I'm surprised - I know how much you lot can talk!

I've only skim read so apologies for anything I've missed:

Congratulations to kyzsnr I saw the photos on Facebook - she is gorgeous. I hope you're doing ok with all the kids kyz - I am tired just thinking about it.

Sorry the GP was so shit VQ but at least you've got the px. Hope J does well on it.

Luis Hope your knees give you a bit of a break soon, and I can't believe you are even existing on so little sleep, never mind rustling up curries.

byzoan that nursery sounds brilliant - it's great that she's getting so much support, that's how it should be.

mm crazy lady clearly has too much time on her hands!

Eliza hope the house goes ok - it does seem strange that they want to delay. I'd be thinking the same as you about that I think.

MrsJ love the ratings grin

ValiumQueen Thu 25-Apr-13 21:42:51

Marking...

PetiteRaleuse Thu 25-Apr-13 21:43:46

Evil we are here. Please don't feel lonely. You have had problems with DP before. Have things improved? Was this 'just' a momentary blip?

MM ignore the bitch. Rise above the playground tactics. My ex CM has been putting it about that I am an abusive mum (she hit my child, not me) and that I put crap in her lunchbox (yeah right). Ignore. Ignore.

To those talking about Nutricia(?) They are Aptamil, same group and they do stage two formula for hypoallergenic, soya only and whatever you might need. We have it here. If in doubt stay on stage one and supplement with iron rich food (though careful re constipation). Iron is the big difference between stage one and two milk as their iron supplies run out at around six months. If they are being weaned then go gently if staying on stage one as st1 has extra vits etc that by stage two is unecessary.

Stage one replicates, as far as is possible, breastmilk. So if you HAVE to stick with it for diet reasons just keep that in mind when weaning.

I would offer to buy and ship but that will be fucking expensive.

Lily311 Thu 25-Apr-13 21:47:33

I am thankful for the two glasses of red wine I had. Night all.

Evilwater Thu 25-Apr-13 21:47:41

Tired to, but he's focused on his work and studying for his exams. It looks like he just can't cope. Ill try again tonight.

Evil

Evening all! Had a fab day out shopping, M has been an absolute star.
I'm shattered and DH is downstairs watching a film til midnight so I've jumped at the chance to get an early night in my bed instead of the air bed in Ms room. Will catch up with the night feeds

kirrinIsland Thu 25-Apr-13 21:48:47

Cross post evil sorry. That sounds scary - have you talked to him about it. Does he recognise that he was losing control?

No idea about slimming world detective sorry, but good luck. I had been considering WW but I think exercise is what I need really fat chance, pun intended I need to tone up my flabby tummy sad

Passmethecrisps Thu 25-Apr-13 21:51:43

evil that sounds scary. Don't know what to suggest but I am glad you have some support.

Poor weewellies choking on his meds! Glad he is better now though.

I am sure I have mentioned this a million times but my parents are convinced my brother had reflux and CMPI. He cried all he time, wouldn't eat and didn't sleep more than 2 hours a time until he was over 2. My mum begged for help from GPs but was told he needed more TLC this putting the blame firmly on her. I told the dietician about this and the fact that he is now, well, a fairly odd adult. He is awkward, struggles to relate to anyone and is an extremely fussy eater. She reckoned that years of pain when eating would do that to a person.

My lovely MIL firmly believes that babies need to cry as this develops their lungs. She says that every baby has a 'crying 2 hours'. Thinking about it she must mean colic. DH referred to it as torture by ignorance.

PetiteRaleuse Thu 25-Apr-13 21:51:57

Evil the pragmatist in me wants to say tell him to google shaken baby. It's scary. Might make him think once he is calm? Crying babies are horribly stressful. I have a very low tolerance for crying -the noise drives me mad, as it is supposed to do to make us go to them - and I understand people wanting to do anything to make it stop. And shaking is a natural but dangerous reaction - do you remember Louise Woodward? It mustn't happen, but does. Maybe pre-empt him with a chat about how when baby gets stressful to put him down and walk away?

Good rule for all new mums with colicky babies. If you can't cope, put them in a safe place and leave. No baby ever died from crying even if a bit of our soul dies

Havent really been on these threads, cant keep up grin

Sophia was born 13/11. Am I the only one not weaning yet? I was following advice and waiting until 26 weeks.

Passmethecrisps Thu 25-Apr-13 21:56:11

Thanks PR. Nutramigen 2 should be given to babies at 6 months. Their website explains this. I find it breathtaking that GP's and consultants don't know this. You are right as far as I know - supplements will be necessary if staying on nutramigen 1.

MsJupiterJones Thu 25-Apr-13 21:56:23

Evil I am really sorry to hear the situation. How horrible to feel you can't trust your partner with N. And a lot of additional pressure on you. Vitamins are good but keep talking - here & RL.

MM I remember you talking about the woman, she sounds deranged. Very childish and weird behaviour. Distance definitely best kept.

I saw my Mum's weird neighbour today, she asked to see the baby so I got the car seat back out of the car. Just as I did so she said, "I hate babies, but don't worry I'll make all the right noises". I mean wtaf? I've just unstrapped and retrieved my pfb from the car so you can pretend to admire him? I couldn't even think what to say, the MN standard "did you mean that to sound so rude" just didn't begin to cover it.

PetiteRaleuse Thu 25-Apr-13 21:56:35

I don't mean cry it out btw; just leave baby long enough to calm down. I think dh and dps -men in fact -sorry luis there are surely exceptions - find long time crying harder than we do.

That said post partum I was in agony when my two cried. Did anyone else get that pain? Ow. Period pains * 20.

I have had no answer to my question <nags quiche> is there a 6 month growth spurt? Anyone?

Passmethecrisps Thu 25-Apr-13 21:57:05

No wanna. There are a fair few. I will be waiting as P shows categorically no interest.

S has finally stopped pushing the calpol out (we have had two colds and teething) but even though she has good head/neck control shes nowhere near sitting up!

MsJupiter shock who could hate babies? And if you do, keep it to yourself!

ValiumQueen Thu 25-Apr-13 22:08:31

Gosh. So much. Thank you for your kind messages. I feel far from strong, but Mama Bear did make an appearance.

It is the Nutramigen stage 2 we have got from next px. It is from 6 months of age.

JJ that is crap of the hospital! Try ordinary? Like fuck you will! Twats!

MM stay strong, but quiet. You have done nothing wrong, but for an easy life may be best to just nod and smile sweetly. Remember you have three quichettes nearby so there will always be someone available if you want to chat over coffee x

J has been given Timodine which has hydrocortisone to reduce inflammation, nystatin anti-fungal, benzalkonium chloride antiseptic, and dimeticone water repellant barrier. Not used it yet, and should be used sparingly.

He has ranitidine liquid on order. Did not see dose.

DD2 got in a fight in nursery and has a black eye coming up.

I will be on slimming world as soon as my period ends.

My boob still hurts after a week. Not as bad, but a painful reminder. I still feel very sad about it all, and having to fight every step does not help. The Doctor made me feel like I had Munchausens by proxy today. I am so glad I have this Fred to support me x

BigPigLittlePig Thu 25-Apr-13 22:10:00

Wannabe no weaning here yet. F is 5 months and 1 day old. If you squirt the calpol into her cheek she is less likely to spit it out. She might make a shock face though!

DH cannot cope with Fs crying either. It drives him mad. I have hopped out the front of the car and into the back at traffic lights when she was crying, because he literally cannot concentrate on driving when she's crying. I can zone out then, as long as it's not a cry of pain.

Right, I am going to bed. I am. Bed bed bed not MN, WWF, fb or ebay

BigPigLittlePig Thu 25-Apr-13 22:11:33

<pops back on the offer to hunt down vqs gp and give them a good bloody Munchausening>

wannabe DD is 22 weeks tomorrow and we're not weaning yet

BigPigLittlePig Thu 25-Apr-13 22:12:17

<realises cannot even type a coherent sentence and goes to bed>

Brockle Thu 25-Apr-13 22:13:34

after a brief hiatus Y guzzled baby porridge this morning. he likes orange coloured foods: carrot, butternut squash, sweet potato. he also loved pear. he doesn't like potato or brocolli.

I bought the organix pots today because they have a book offer on them but also because fresh fruit never stays around long enough to be purreed in this house grin I have a papaya, parsnips and peas to puree tomorrow.

goodnight ladies and gentleman xx

ValiumQueen Thu 25-Apr-13 22:15:41

Wanna, my boy started on solids but had to stop as his reflux flared up. He is 26 weeks today and looks so sad when we eat. I am just waiting for him to settle on his meds and we will start again.

YW thank you for the tips for weaning. Very useful.

Evil (((hug))) I second talking to him about the dangers and how to manage such feelings.

Brockle Thu 25-Apr-13 22:15:52

cross post vq but your Dr sounds awful and I think you should make a complaint when j is feeling better and you are feeling stronger.

GTbaby Thu 25-Apr-13 22:16:09

BigPig I noticed LO likes calpol taste.

Well we Are at 6months1wk. We started weaning 2weeks ago.

So far we have tried sweet potatoe, broccoli , couliflower , carrots ,strawberry, watermelon n porridge and a tiny bit of ice cream

Det I'm joining u on ur fanjo pains. Last week or so I've got more n more uncomfortable n now I think I'm starting to get SPD. confused

Oh oh. I think I just felt a kick!

TheDetective Thu 25-Apr-13 22:17:33

That GP is a fucking cunt VQ. Nuff said.

We are weaning here, as an experiment first, but it does seem to be helping his reflux, and he is eager. So we are going with it. I wanted to wait. And do BLW. Yet here we are at 5 months with puree. Bloody kids huh?!

My boobs still feel odd even 4 months later. I don't know why. It has like the skin has become thin and incredibly uncomfortably sensitive. I can not bear hands put around me from behind in a cuddle. It actually makes me feel sick. It isn't just boobs, but above them too. Quite weird really. I still get tingles in them, and feel the let down from time to time!

PetiteRaleuse Thu 25-Apr-13 22:20:37

Just to amuse pig and * vq* : wanna I advise suppository medication. Much easier to give <sighs at predictability of self> I believe that paracetamol suppository over there needs to be prescribed.

All the formula companies are very insistent on their next stage milk. A month or so late won't hurt if the iron is watched. DD1 wouldn't have stage 2 for two months after 6 months, and I'm not moving to stage 2 with LO til her paed appointment at 7 months. Breastmilk doesn't magically produce different stuff at 6 months (which is why we wean) so formula won't either. That said, your doctors seem to know diddly squat (sorry pig )

ValiumQueen Thu 25-Apr-13 22:21:22

BP grin he is a good GP, but his manner can be a bit off at times. His sense of humour is a bit off too.

Did I say that he said how well J looks? He says that every fucking time. I am glad J looks well, but the doctors just seem to see a fat smiling baby and zone out.

Will stop whinging now.

I am addicted to Bubble Mania.

MissMummy1 Thu 25-Apr-13 22:22:19

JJ shock ! People are bastards.

VQ I am still feeling exactly the same about bf. I think we gave up on the same day if memory serves me correctly? I have stopped crying though (except in the shower becausw my boobs are fucking agony).

Thanks all for your kind words. I feel so stupid for being in this situation. I was only ever kind to the woman sad . Serves me right for not trusting my gut instinct. ..

VQ thats horrible! Poor him. Hope the meds get him sorted.

S watches us eating but more in a "what are you doing" way rather than actually wanting some.

We have the highchair all ready to go, sat her in it and got really funny photos of her looking so bewildered!

I weaned DD1 at 5 months on baby rice. I want to try BLW with S. Excited and apprehensive all at once.

Is pear soft enough for first foods, or would some roasted butternut squash be better?

TheDetective Thu 25-Apr-13 22:26:47

I have pureed banana, carrot, parsnip, and carrot and parsnip, with his milk added and all freezered up and ready to go.

I am still wondering what I was worried about!

O got stripped off for carrot. <Takes no chances>

O doesn't like calpol. It isn't the taste. It is the texture. He was the same with Omeperazole which is gloopy also. He will take the thin liquids like ranitidine and domperidone no problemo!

GT I actually felt really angry about it for the first time last night. I was thinking to myself how I feel like choices have been taken away from me. Like if I wanted two babies close together, I couldn't. The pressure from another pregnancy on my fanjo would be utter agony. And this made me angry. Yay for the kicks though!

ValiumQueen Thu 25-Apr-13 22:26:55

Yes MM. (((Hug, but not too close due to sore norks)))

Detective, sore arse, fanjo and norks? My sympathies x hope your mouth is ok wink

PetiteRaleuse Thu 25-Apr-13 22:27:38

wanna pear should be ok if very ripe. If not chop it, add a tiny bit of water and shove in microwave a few seconds to soften it. Not enough to puree unless you want to of course. Oh, and leave to cool.

TheDetective Thu 25-Apr-13 22:31:50

<Snorts inappropriately at VQ grin >

Passmethecrisps Thu 25-Apr-13 22:34:05

PR I am going to say yes. Simply because I actually believe that they will grow at any time. P NEVER follows the typical growth spurt timings

Izzybuzzybuzzybees Thu 25-Apr-13 22:35:11

gt how lovely to be feeling kicks. Not so lovely if SPD is starting as that ends up feeling like you've been kicked in the fanjo. We are 25 weeks past birth and I still have pelvic pain sad physio has tried to manipulate it back but I am hypemobile se essentially its fixed at session and then I walk out the door and my stupid lax ligaments let it go back outta alignment again!! Does anyone else still have SPD pain? tits you were quite bad weren't you??

Do you all use your microwaves a lot during weaning? We havent had one since before xmas and havent really missed it. Probably should buy one.

I can stew the pear on the hob for a few minutes if its not ripe enough. Great idea!

MsJupiterJones Thu 25-Apr-13 22:36:24

Wannabe pear is a good starter as long as it's ripe. Silly Mummy here wanted to do naice organic fruit & veg but soon discovered the supermarkets put the organic stuff on the shelves when it's unripe and rock hard, presumably because it sells slower. Which got several shockconfusedangry faces. So we are on the pesticided but decidedly more edible normal stuff!

TheDetective Thu 25-Apr-13 22:37:07

GT I started having rumblings of SPD around 14 weeks. I started going to aquanatal and it knocked it on the head. Always felt better after a session, and then it just stopped around 19 weeks.

TheDetective Thu 25-Apr-13 22:38:28

I've steamed the veg, and pureed the fruit uncooked. I've used the microwave to unfreeze stuff, but would work in a jug of hot water too. Or just left out.

PetiteRaleuse Thu 25-Apr-13 22:39:27

OMFG two nights in a row? My house is over fucking run with spiders this is a fucking joke. So my kids get healthy and the spiders move in? To my fucking nightie? I was ready this time and shook it, so the bastard fell out. Those spiders with tiny bodies and long spindly legs. They are taking over my house. Twats.

Elizadoesdolittle Thu 25-Apr-13 22:41:39

Weaning was going well until the fucking chicken pox set in and shes refused any food since Sunday. I did see some spots on the inside of her lip and on her tounge so it's no surprise really.

Pre pox she has tried carrot, butternut squash, banana, carrot and pea mix and baby porridge. Also a couple of Ellas kitchen pouches. Next on my list to try are sweet potato and broccoli (inspired by chasings O).

I can't wait to do all the finger food stuff. Only a couple of weeks to go. I find that so much easier than the puree stuff (but I'm a very lazy mum). I'll still do puree with E though as she needs it. Am enjoying the traditional way of weaning more than I thought I would.

wanna I am only weaning as have been advised by the dietician. I waited till 6 months exactly with DD1 and did BLW and would have done the same with E had the circumstances not been different.

You go vq Although it was hard work I'm glad you have finally got some form of result. I really hope it helps.

Kyzordz Thu 25-Apr-13 22:41:52

Marking... Will catch up soon I hope! Hugs to those needing them x

PetiteRaleuse Thu 25-Apr-13 22:42:49

wanna i useto defrost, heat up mainly for veg, but also to soften hard fruit on occasion. Hob will work just as well.

Passmethecrisps Thu 25-Apr-13 22:44:03

You are right PR in that a few weeks here or there won't matter.
It just makes me cross that people need to fight to get it. I find it bizarre.

She sounds batshit crazy MM. Keep your head down for a few weeks but don't hide yourself away.

MsJupiterJones Thu 25-Apr-13 22:48:58

PR

AAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That is all. wine

PetiteRaleuse Thu 25-Apr-13 22:49:35

Yes, having to fight to get decent nourishment for one's baby is bizarre. Wrong even. I know we are criticised over here for not being bf friendly enough but as far as ff is concerned the paeds are very good at helping pick the right one. They're also good at encouraging bf but very accepting of the choice to ff.

PetiteRaleuse Thu 25-Apr-13 22:52:11

TWO FUCKING NIGHTS IN A FUCKING ROW. That is BEYOND A FUCKING JOKE. If everyone else wasn't asleep I'd hoover the house from top to bottom. Again.

Elizadoesdolittle Thu 25-Apr-13 22:56:26

pr I'm currently reading why french children don't throw food. I downloaded it ages a go when you were takling about it. I'm finding it very interesting. I often think of you when I'm in bed reading it, is that wrong grin

Dixiebell Thu 25-Apr-13 23:01:59

fuckbuckets, I think I woke Ted up coming to bed. Now feeding. Perhaps time to move him out of our room, but with 3x waking a per night, I don't fancy the trip across the hall.

No weaning here yet, he's 20 weeks tomorrow. Ds1's meals are such hard work, I'm happy to leave it as long as possible with Teddy so as not to create extra work!

Izzy, I still get pain in my right hip at nighttime sometimes. Nowhere near as bad as when I was pg, but definitely a hangover from that.

It's our 4th wedding anniversary today. Can't believe it's only 4 yrs - we have since bought a new house and had 2 kids! We were together for 10 years before we got married tho so I guess it just took us a while to get going. smile We are celebrating by DH staying out at a work do while I ate pasta and too much toast with golden syrup hmm on my own. Hmph.

ValiumQueen Thu 25-Apr-13 23:02:28

PR you can buy an electric thing that you plug in that gets rid of the fuckers using sonic or something. Not sure if the pets would be affected though. May be worth a try? Makes it worse initially as the little fuckers pack their bags and trot out on front of you.

LuisGarcia Thu 25-Apr-13 23:09:46

Happy anniversary Dixiebell.

PetiteRaleuse, death to arthropods is available by the kilo

TheDetective Thu 25-Apr-13 23:11:10

Is no one going to bed here tonight?! Will I be among the first for once?!

Might go to bed and depress myself at 1 teaspoon of olive oil and 30g of cheese sad

PetiteRaleuse Thu 25-Apr-13 23:11:12

Ha eliza read it with a pinch of salt but the basics are pretty good. I find her a little unfairly anti French though.

vq if spiders could actually wave pompoms and cheerlead their way through the house they would be doing so already. They are taking the piss and the animals are useless. When my cats were indoor cats they nailed spiders. Now they have much bigger fish to fry outside. Am wary of plug in insecty things though with the children and asthmatic DH. And fire hazard.

PetiteRaleuse Thu 25-Apr-13 23:13:46

30g of cheese an hour detective ? I'm in bed. Just insomniac.

Luis that looks like scary stuff

TheDetective Thu 25-Apr-13 23:15:56

30 of cheese. A day I think. WAAAAAAAAH!!

Still trying to read my way through it.

I get the whole eat veg n shit. I eat veg. Lots of it.

But I want to know how bad some of the bad things I like to eat are. So I can work out my moderated treats syns blah blah blah.

Tomorrow. I buy scales. And a book. With everything in.

Sigh.

Fuck you fat bitch. Fuck you.

TheDetective Thu 25-Apr-13 23:16:14

I mean scales for weighing food. Once a week is enough weighing for me thanks!

LuisGarcia Thu 25-Apr-13 23:16:39

It's about as dangerous to vertebrates and plants as talcum powder, but it will wipe out an arthropod problem

PetiteRaleuse Thu 25-Apr-13 23:23:36

Ok, thanks luis I'll look into that and see if I can get it here.

Detective I was joking. They mean 30g a day. Do-able. And you'll have to grill stuff instead of cooking it in lovely butter or oil.. A teaspoon of oil can go a long way if you paint it over the pan.. i fry eggs with a tsp of oil, and steak....

PurplePidjin Thu 25-Apr-13 23:30:27

R had a nom on a few spoonfuls of sweet potato tonight. He got the idea immediately, moving forward to the spoon and grabbing my hand to get it in grin he sits unaided, grabs and chews his (empty) spoon and cup at meal times and watches us eat with his mouth open. 23 weeks on Monday. I think some of it got swallowed too, we shall see at the next dirty nappy!

TheDetective Thu 25-Apr-13 23:31:06

I'm still sulking at 30g of cheese. I eat too much cheese. Pffft.

Cant you get sprays PR ?

Or are the spiders where you are immune to the things that scare the namby pamby spiders here? (Where are you?)

I have a spray that has citronella and something from chestnuts in it. They hate it. Havent seen a spider since the two huge ones that chased me two years ago!

MsJupiterJones Thu 25-Apr-13 23:48:27

Wannabe pliz to have details of spray?!

I got it from Betterware. Its called Spider Stop.

If you dont get Betterware, I am sure theres other brands. I spray it round all exterior doors and windows!

Will go have a google.

PurplePidjin Fri 26-Apr-13 00:11:20

Chasing - from the other fred - thank you, but our main woes are financial. Dp's health is a frustrating game of wait and recover. The entertainment and emotional support i get here is fab thanks

LuisGarcia Fri 26-Apr-13 00:31:38

Bryzoan I think 2 year olds integrating is a problem to be solved across the board. J's nursery is mainstream, and, well I don't know about all of them but I know his bffs at least recognise most signs. Because it's normal to sign.

I was building J up to his second visit this week by telling him he was going to go there and play with cars, then sing songs, then play in the sandpit, at which point he stopped me and frantically signed that he was going to play with cars, sing songs, read stories then play in the sandpit. Which is what he did last week, tbf.

J is 3 in September, so I think you're a little bit ahead of us, but R sounds awesome. Q. Do you get "helpful" family / friends / acquaintances / strangers doing the least helpful things offering unasked for advice?

LuisGarcia Fri 26-Apr-13 01:56:28

Ok I'm outta here for the do. Gnight everyone, sleep well hahaha and be awesome to each other at wwf but be terrible to me please salutes

PurplePidjin Fri 26-Apr-13 03:14:19

In again. I both love and loath work nights - fucked up sleep because he's out of routine/i get in late but love the kids.

ChasingDaisy Fri 26-Apr-13 03:45:13

<sleepy wave at anybody else who is awake>

ValiumQueen Fri 26-Apr-13 05:06:31

Morning! First waking so grateful. Offered 5oz instead of the usual 9 due to vomiting and perceived pigginess (we do not have huge dinner if we wake in the night surely) and not convinced if he will settle. By the time I got back upstairs from fetching said bottle, DH was wandering aimless as a cloud on the landing. Bless his big cotton socks. DS will cry. DH won't fetch bottle or rock DS. What does he expect?

Today is another day. Three joys await me - my mother, the dentist, and ranitidine. I hope it fucking works!

Quiet here tonight, which is good. Hope you guys are sleeping x

Awake since 2.30 but not because of DD2. Because I woke coughing and DP wasnt home from work. Then got a bit distracted with fantasising about new cars.

S went down at 9pm. Woke at 11.30 and again at 3. Dont know how to break the cycle really. She takes 1-2 ozs before shes sleeping again. So she really is only feeding for comfort. But she wont take a dummy and if I leave her to settle over with no bottle she just gets wound up.

Sigh.

Yes VQ DP will just stand there when she cries, and if the first thing he tries doesnt work he gives up hmm I have to tell him to try something else all the time.

PetiteRaleuse Fri 26-Apr-13 05:24:00

Morning all. Not sure why but LO woke up once during the night. Was hot in the room though so could be that. I really need to sort out my insomnia as I have been awake pretty much since then. Then bang on 6 she woke up.

Dixiebell Fri 26-Apr-13 05:28:57

Feel your pain on breaking the cycle, wanna. Teddy went down at 7.30, then feeds at 10.30, 2, woke at 4 but managed to self settle, and now at 5. No way he actually needs 3 feeds in night but not sure how to deal with it. He's currently doing suck, suck, chat. hmm

StuntNun Fri 26-Apr-13 05:40:26

Awful night here. The worst yet. The boys better behave today or there'll be trouble.

DH is going carting with his mate this afternoon. Must be nice to be unencumbered by a baby.

kirrinIsland Fri 26-Apr-13 05:47:49

Morning all smile

N went down at half 8 and woke at 11.45 and then now. This seems to be emerging as her new pattern, which is great - definitely better than the every 2 hours or so we were getting not that long ago.

TheDetective Fri 26-Apr-13 05:56:07

<waves sleepily>

I just resisted a kitkat and ate a banana almost forgot about being good!

Bryzoan Fri 26-Apr-13 06:45:58

Luis - that is lovely. Very lucky J is not 3 till sept. R is so very young for her age as well as young in her year... I'm finding the concept of sorting a school for her baffling.

I've been pretty lucky on the 'helpful advice' front. Occaisionally someone will go at R quite hard with 'say banana' or simillar when she is signing it - I just smile at them and R very brightly, sign banana back at her and say 'that's right, banana' cheerfully. And tell them later out of r's earshot that that isn't helpful if they have been a bit too persistent. My mil is rather suspicious of signing and has thought I am contributing to r's language delay with it (she'll talk if she gets frustrated). She has understandably just not wanted to see some of the challenges R is facing for what they are. But luckily we have broadly a good relationship so I've been able to say I take her concerns in board, but that we need to do it to keep her Language and other development moving (in my best 'non negotiable' voice). She has now started learning some and coming to a few of our private SALT sessions to get a better understanding. Which I am very grateful for because it is quite a shift in mindset for her. I have another friend whose son (the same age as your J) has a motor and mild global delay who has on occaision given me some very good advice but tries to treat r the same as her son when they are not the same. I usually then charge in and take over to show her what does work for R (which is what she has done in the first place trying to show me what she thinks I should be doing so we are quits!). We are in the same village and were together in Nct 3 yrs ago and I mostly find it really nice having a good rl friend around who understands what it is like when things are a bit different. I think mostly my friends see what we've been though (with the hip spica most obviously) and how hard we are working, and the support we have from portage, salt, physio, and at nursery - and know we are doing what we can. I am thankful that they are so understanding - and that they still want to meet up and play. A couple in particular are really great with r and that makes me feel very warm inside. There - might have been a quick question but not a quick answer!

PetiteRaleuse Fri 26-Apr-13 07:20:47

Thanks for the link wanna I am in France so no, the spiders here are not much worse than yours, except for the biting jumping bastards, but I haven't been bitten by a spider Since I left Paris.

Kyzordz Fri 26-Apr-13 07:33:29

Morning all, one of those shit days where I can't be everywhere at once, had to wake up to feed e so his bottles are at good times of the day as very busy. He does not like me to wake him, he is back asleep now. Tbf I don't like to wake him! Need to again soon though so he sleeps at nap time and whatnot. I wouldn't usually stress but I have to go to work for mum from like, 8am-12pm and dp has him and isn't so good at recognising signs of stuff eg sleepy

PennieLane Fri 26-Apr-13 08:07:49

Morning all. We started weaning at 23 weeks, she was showing signs-sitting unaided for a few weeks; great hand eye control and very interested in food from 22 wks. We boiled a few carrot sticks and put them down in front of her and she got it straight away and started chewing and laughing, since then we've tried banana and cucumber and parsnip will be today. Waiting till 26 weeks to do anything more like dairy. My HV says there's no on and off switch at 26 weeks, some will be ready earlier, some later, and you'll know, which I thought was good advice. 2/3 weeks ago I would have said she wasn't interested, and then she was.

We're also painting her room, think we're going to move her at bank hol. I will miss her though!!! That first night will be so strange!

BigPigLittlePig Fri 26-Apr-13 08:27:55

Epic fucking disaster of a night. I won't go into details, but it was bad. Just wish I knew why. I feel like I've been run over by a bus this morning. And the sacro-iliitis I had when pg has flared up again owing to dodgy sleeping positions, curled around a wriggly baby.

PR I know those spiders as funglies. They are revolting not as bad as house spiders though As for biting, jumping bastards? <shudders>

BigPigLittlePig Fri 26-Apr-13 08:56:41

I think I might start trying F with some purees. Just gave her a bit of my banana, all squished up, and now she's going batshit because the spoon she's nomming isn't actually edible.

Pikz Fri 26-Apr-13 09:02:38

Bplp will you be our GP and then we can get rid of VQ bastard doctor.

LO is hilarious today. Architect soon to put in plans for extension... I must be mad!

This afternoon is purée purée purée

Spiders that jump and bite. shock

<shudder>

BigPigLittlePig Fri 26-Apr-13 09:24:00

pikz errrr sum total of reflux knowledge = quiche input sure!

What does one do with a papaya? I have one. It looks odd. No clue.

PetiteRaleuse Fri 26-Apr-13 09:24:01

There's loads of biting spiders in the Paris métro. All my worst insect bites ever have been in Paris, and I live right out in the countryside now and other than the odd mosquito haven't been bitten as much <cue armies of biting spiders running into my home to prove me wrong>

wanna they're only little things, the sort of thing you wouldn't probably kill if you found one in your house. Til you realise that the innocent looking spider in the corner of the ceiling has bitten your arm several times during the night. Twat.

MadamGazelleIsMyMum Fri 26-Apr-13 09:35:34

Sorry to hear of crap night BP.

What wanna said about spiders.

Good luck today kyz.

Pennie that is good advice. DS has been showing some signs, so we're taking it slowly, letting him lead the way. Will give dairy and meat a long lead in though, I think.

DC at nursery today. We're going to a food festival basically to stuff our faces with yumminess before diet properly kicks in.

Oh, and I just totally pranked my boss. Finally sorted a date for my op for toenail woe. Called my boss to say I had some news. My secretary was in on this so emailed me to say he was actually twitching. Ha. He was worried I was pregnant again. Told him I was coming back for a week, then having op, and that I'd be recovering for 8 weeks. He nearly passed out! Then said I just needed an afternoon off, and lots of cake and sympathy for the week afterwards. Although he did make some comment about how a third maternity leave will just come with a P45. He's so wrong. But that is just his way of saying he cant cope without me. Plus I just ignore him. Although, despite our excellent relationship, I do keep a list for HR purposes should I ever need it. grin

Passmethecrisps Fri 26-Apr-13 09:37:48

Are those ones with tiny bodies and long legs not called huntsmen spiders or something. That's not quite right but something like that. Look like daddy longlegs without the wings. Bleaurgh.

Quite right pennie. They don't all wake up bang on 26 weeks and we ready. P is 24 weeks on Monday and still a few weeks away I would reckon. Sitting might be a difficulty - huge noggin and skinny wee bum.

DH managed to settle P to sleep this morning! Hoorah! He was so chuffed with himself. Hi-5 to him.

BigPigLittlePig Fri 26-Apr-13 09:40:09

Madam it is a fact that when one has had a toenail butchered operated on, cake and wine are the 2 things which will hasten ones recovery. Actual fact. Scientifically proven on me and everything.

Cat is coming home today whoop whoop. Wish I'd sorted pet insurance though. The vet thinks that some of his plastic blockage was either a pen, or a peg. FFS.

Passmethecrisps Fri 26-Apr-13 09:40:22

Lol madam! My old boss always used to end interviews with "describe yourself in one word". We had had a run of pregnancies on the staff with 10 women all pregnant at one time - big running joke. So I ended the interview when he asked for the one word with "pregnant". Oh how we laughed . . . Followed by speedy assertions that I wasn't

Passmethecrisps Fri 26-Apr-13 09:41:45

Umbilical stump BP?

PetiteRaleuse Fri 26-Apr-13 09:46:46

I just googled huntsman spiders. Taht's not the spindly skinny spiders. They can be called daddy long legs, but to me that is crane flies, or cellar spiders. I fucking hate daddy long legs /crane flies. You swat at the bastards and they fight back and fly right in your face. Evil buggers. And when you kill them they wave at you.

Ugh.

Sorry I know that murdering insects and spiders isn't everyone's cup of tea but I hate when they come in the house. When we moved in no-one had been living here for a few months and we had to have a massacre before the movers brought our stuff in.

Ugh.

PetiteRaleuse Fri 26-Apr-13 09:50:12

I was pregnant within six weeks of returning from maternity leave last year. I took great pleasure in announcing it.

DD1 has become obsessed with Mr Tumble.

BigPigLittlePig Fri 26-Apr-13 09:57:33

<rummages through shoe box for umbilical stump>

Nope pass, stump is still intact shrivelled in a box. I should really get rid of that, it is a bit gross.

S loves Mio Mao on milkshake. Our aerials broke so just using the players and when that comes on trying to get her to look anywhere else is impossible.

Izzybuzzybuzzybees Fri 26-Apr-13 10:10:53

If I thought the other night was crap last night was worse!! He woke every two hours and wanted fed each time!!! I discovered a tooth yesterday, could it be teething that's causing it? Should I give him anything?

Tried sme mushed banana this morning, still mouth clamped shut and IF I get any in he just gags...what's the consensus? Keep trying or wait a week or two? He's 25 weeks 2days

PetiteRaleuse Fri 26-Apr-13 10:23:37

I'd wait izzy if lo is like this with every food. Banana is a good first food but can make babies gag a little as it is gooey and sticky.

Try again maybe in a week or even a couple of days with something else.

Can't help with teething I think we are a while off here.

Elizadoesdolittle Fri 26-Apr-13 10:25:23

I hate daddy long legs. They are the worst thing...ever. There is no point to them at all. Just flap about being usless. I also hate wasps and flies too. That's the worst thing about summer, flies get in the house. I have fly screens everywhere. I'm a bit obsessed about it!

pr Yeah I get what you mean about the anti french thing. Funny since she lives there! One of the things I've taken out of it is they have very set boundaries but also let certain things slide. I can't remember exactly the word they use but begins with b. I guess it's a bit like us picking our battles. I also like the way they view mealtimes and have tried to do that from the start with DD1 and will do with E. Its actually reassured me that I'm not doing a bad job at being a mother which I think I needed. I felt I was turning into a horrible shouty parent but I think I'm turning it around...slowly.

DD1 was a bit Mr Tumble obsessed. Now it's all blimming disney princesses, not sure which ones worse!

Elizadoesdolittle Fri 26-Apr-13 10:29:48

izzy I use teeth granules which seem to help E. Ones I have a called teetha. I got off amazon but think you can get from boots and other chemists. And yes, i'd wait a little while longer before trying anymore puree. Butternut squash was the one that went down the best with E. Think it's cos it's very sweet and also has a nice texture. Banana can be gloopy.

ChasingDaisy Fri 26-Apr-13 10:50:56

Gosh, you lot were chatty last night! I haven't even finished reading the old thread yet.

izzy, stunt and pig I am sorry to hear of rubbish night's. brew thanks

As for teething we find dentinox teething gel good, O gets excited when he sees the tube now. We also keep a few teethers in the fridge for him to gum on.

I'm sorry, I can't remember who asked about weaning blush But if baby is keeping mouth clamped shut, I would leave it for a week or so and take baby's lead.

Glad to hear catpig is coming home today. Let us know how he is getting on.

Madam I had a toe op to have a mole removed and I found it a great excuse to get colleagues to go to the photocopier/printer/water cooler for me.

A better night here last night. He managed a 4hr 45 first stretch. Gave him just 3oz at second feed again, he was still hungry but went back to sleep and didn't wake for a feed again until 7 which is good. He was in with me from 5:30 but I am picking my battles at the moment and the feeding issue comes first.

Now sofa pinned whilst awaiting MIL, SIL and O's baby cousin. Awkward o'clock.

Brockle Fri 26-Apr-13 10:55:31

good luck chasing smile

Woohoo had a better night last night. For 4.5 hours sleep in one go! I slept in my adult bed instead of in her room. Woke at 11pm for a feed than just after 4am I woke as my boob was leaking. She was just starting to toss and turn so fed her then. Went back down till we woke at half 8. She was laying there awake playing.
She may have woken more but I didn't hear her. In fact at 11pm I didn't hear her, DH came up from downstairs and got her before I woke up. Shows how tired I was.

I hate wwf, I seem to be being dealt the shittest letters ever.

M is looking very girly and grown up today, scares me

Right I'm planning holiday packing today, any helpful hint or tips from anyone? I bet I end up with 30kg for M and 10kg each for me and DH grin

Good luck with the ILs chasing Wonder if baby cousin will arrive with a steak sandwich or something equally ridiculous wink

PetiteRaleuse Fri 26-Apr-13 11:20:49

Sounds like a shitty afternoon ahead for you chasing good luck and flowers

After such gorgeous sunshine the last couple of days it's a bit of a downer that it is now grey and pissing it down outside. Anyway. Sunday we are going to the local farm which is having an open day. Cows and goats, chickens and pigs. Should be fun.

Next weekend there is a festival in the village and a big firework display. Yay. Need to ask neighbours if we will be able to see it from the house, so that we don't actually need to go. It's at the castle and you can see the castle from DD1's bedroom so fingers crossed.

BigPigLittlePig Fri 26-Apr-13 11:21:17

Oh yes, do keep us entertained with MIL and competitive baby snippets chasing

Fatima no no no, I keep being dealt the shittest letters. It is a well known fact that there are very few words that can be made with 7 vowels. And even fewer than contain X, Q and J.

F is in her cot for the 2nd nap of the day. I've been using the cot white noise/lullaby thing in the hope that she associates it with sleep. It still took well over 10 minutes of bobbing up and down to get her to go off though. And I totally see now why drop-side cots are a Good Thing. And am in no way a teeny bit pissed off that I didn't get one instead went for the pretty cot that matched the room

Elizadoesdolittle Fri 26-Apr-13 11:47:23

Bigpig I got a cot with a drop down side. I didn't get the cot bed I originally wanted as it didn't have a drop side. I have never used the drop side....

Passmethecrisps Fri 26-Apr-13 12:04:52

I haven't used the drop side yet but it won't be long. I looked into it and it was generally felt that if you were short then a drop side would be helpful. I can already see times when it will get used. Being 5ft 2 puts me firmly in short.

And I agree that daddy long legs are horrendous. I can handle most things but they make me shriek. They fly at you all brazen. When I was very young I pulled the legs and wings off one and claimed I had found it that way. I think my fear probably stems from knowing I will come back as one!

BigPigLittlePig Fri 26-Apr-13 12:10:24

I'm not even short - but the only way she doesn't wake up immediately on transfer, is if I have my head right next to hers, as if we were co-sleeping, for a few minutes. Back. Broken.

pointedly ignores daddy long legs on grounds of them being beyond disgusting

Pikz Fri 26-Apr-13 12:37:39

Bplp see I used drop side to get in cot with him occasionally!!!

Elizadoesdolittle Fri 26-Apr-13 12:50:37

Bigpig ouch, I see your point!

I'm a short arse but have been ok without dropping it. Perhaps I'll start just so I use the bloody thing.

Passmethecrisps Fri 26-Apr-13 12:53:18

Hail stones? Fucking hailstones. In Edinburgh? I am wearing a frock! It was glorious in Stirling.

Fuck sticks

ChasingDaisy Fri 26-Apr-13 13:07:46

PR envy at being able to see a castle at your house.

Fatima WWF keeps dealing me very crap letters. Yes to the 7 vowels pig.

In law rant to come. Will be prefixed with a biscuit so please feel free to ignore.

ChasingDaisy Fri 26-Apr-13 13:10:06

From your house obvs PR

ChasingDaisy Fri 26-Apr-13 13:25:51

Detective I am so glad weaning is going so well for you. I know we both said we had planned to wait but it seems as though the Oscar's had other ideas! O2 loves food. He isn't big on milk, so it is nice to see him enjoying something.

Damn, there was something else I was going to say but I forgot.

Ok, inlaw rant time.

biscuit biscuit biscuit biscuit

So, O was asleep when they got here and woke up to find MIL and SIL right in his face. SIL then took O for a cuddle. He cried. I said I would take him back. She said no. I took him off of her anyway. Cue sour face.

Apparently I don't get O weighed enough. Yeah, ok.

MIL took O and just sat him in front of the TV. Me: "Perhaps O would like to play with some of his toys" MIL: "No he's fine, he likes watching TV"

Then it was competitive parenting 101. Which baby can sit up unaided, which one can pick up toys, etc etc...

MIL told O off for chewing his muslin.

There was a lot of crying from O today, he really doesn't like SIL. She was holding him and he was screaming with tears rolling down his face. She walked off with him and wouldn't even let him look at me sad. Poor sod caught a glimpse of me and stopped crying to smile, so she took him off again so he couldn't see me and he kept screaming. He was very distressed, I was very angry

biscuit biscuit biscuit biscuit

There, that was cathartic smile

Bryzoan Fri 26-Apr-13 13:37:04

Remind me why you let them in chasing? Time for them to fuck right off to the far side of fuck and then keep going I think. SIL sounds partiicularly vile. I wouldn't trust her with one of g's teddy bears!

Bryzoan Fri 26-Apr-13 13:38:45

Well done for taking him back by the way. Good job the little man has you to stick up for him.

PetiteRaleuse Fri 26-Apr-13 13:59:43

Your life will be so much better when they are no longer in it. I know they will have to be in it to a certain extent but as he gets older you will feel happier about that.

It's not a very exciting castle by the way. And the bastard castle means house prices in my village and rent of course are far higher than they should be.

Izzybuzzybuzzybees Fri 26-Apr-13 14:07:47

Oh dear pass hope you didn't get too soaked!!

detective that's crap, just crap!

ChasingDaisy Fri 26-Apr-13 14:08:14

Me and SIL were pregnant at the same time and our due dates were a day apart. She gave birth two weeks before me and now sees herself as the baby expert. She hates that O always cries with her so its like she has to prove she can settle him.

PR post a pic on fb so we can judge how impressive the castle is.

Kyzordz Fri 26-Apr-13 14:12:35

chasing you did well taking him back smile sounds like o really doesn't like her though!

Sorry guys I've got loads to catch up on! Everyone doing ok with weaning? Cat ok bplp? J ok vq ? Often think of him and hope he isn't too uncomfortable.

Can I just ask, and again I am being rude as I have not caught up properly, but does everyone offer solids after milk? I took e off solids like I said I would, not starting again till I have a plan of action and wondered how everyone gets on with it, cos I can't see e bothering as he won't be hungry will he? Whenever I tried before he ate more before a bottle compared to after, and always drank the bottle fine but I don't want to do it arse about face. I just thought i'd ask cos its important ESP for an arse like me to have a clear idea of certain aspects of what I'm gonna do

Also, what mealtime is best? Mum said breakfast, the tinterwebs says lunch

The boy is awake, I'll catch up soon, really sorry guys xx

ChasingDaisy Fri 26-Apr-13 14:16:44

kyz O's feeds are roughly 3 hours apart so I plan to offer solids halfway between feeds so he is neither starving or full.

I plan to start with veg purees for lunch, once that is established I will try and add a porridge/fruit puree breakfast and finally finger foods for dinner. I don't think there are any right or wrongs although I am happy to be corrected. I think the only thing to be aware of is not introducing new foods at dinner time incase of reactions etc

ChasingDaisy Fri 26-Apr-13 14:18:39

Remembered what else I wanted to ask!

Is there any need for me to change to follow on milk? NHS website says no need to and I had thought they were a marketing ploy.

<skulks away and promises to stop spamming thread now...>

PetiteRaleuse Fri 26-Apr-13 14:24:43
PetiteRaleuse Fri 26-Apr-13 14:25:43

Pcture 14 isn't it though. Weird. The dirst few lines are pics of my village.

PetiteRaleuse Fri 26-Apr-13 14:27:58

In fact most of them except for the random castle at picture 14

PetiteRaleuse Fri 26-Apr-13 14:32:41

luis you have been quoted in the ln talk round up email. You are famous. You're our quiche sleb. How does it feel?

Elizadoesdolittle Fri 26-Apr-13 14:51:08

Hehe I just logged on to tell luis about his achievement. Nice work!

Elizadoesdolittle Fri 26-Apr-13 14:52:41

chasing nope. No need to switch to follow on milk.

Elizadoesdolittle Fri 26-Apr-13 14:58:50

Kyz we do breakfast and lunch here but have by far the most success with lunch. I started off with lunch and introduced breakfast about a week after but she really doesn't have much interest.

TooManyDicksOnTheDancefloor Fri 26-Apr-13 15:15:24

Hi everyone, I've joined slimming world too detective, I've lost 5.5lbs in two weeks. I eat a lot of stir fry noodles, porridge, bananas, muller lights.

We're back from B having her lip and tongue ties released by laser surgery. It went really well, minimal tears, no blood and she fed straight after without clicking and gulping air! I'm so happy it's over with and appears to have gone really well.

Am I the only one who hasn't started meaning yet? B is pretty much the youngest though, being born on 4th December, I think only mini clarella is younger and mini mm is a day older.

Kyzordz Fri 26-Apr-13 15:55:37

Well done toomany smile that's fab weight loss I didn't type that whilst eating cookies, oh no yaaaay for the Lip/tongue success smile brill stuff

Ooh famous luis

Thanks for meal advice, will give lunch a go first, chasing your plan sounds a good one!

Izzybuzzybuzzybees Fri 26-Apr-13 16:06:00

too many I'm a slimming worlder too. I lost 9lbs in 3 weeks but I put 1lb on this week sad

Kyzordz Fri 26-Apr-13 16:29:58

Not a huge gain izzy and you've done well in total! I used to go but haven't been for aaages well over a year, maybe 18 months and I should cos I'm still quite chunky fat

PetiteRaleuse Fri 26-Apr-13 16:30:05

I'm baking a ginger cake. It smells amazing. I don't think I will ever lose my spare tyre. My abs are too weak. <defeatist>

Ginger cake is my favourite.

I have an interview day (10am-1pm shock ) on tuesday for a job in a supermarket. I havent worked since 2008. To say my confidence is rock bottom is an understatement. sad Very nervous.

I have put on a stone since the birth blush . Must get out walking again.

PetiteRaleuse Fri 26-Apr-13 17:02:05

Do you want any help preparing for it wanna ?

MaMaPo Fri 26-Apr-13 17:08:11

Good luck, wanna!

Toomany, no weaning here yet. C is a December baby too (5th) and we might start sitting her with us for breakfast for a bit, and then offering a little bit next week. I'm fully aware she may not be ready, in which case I'll back off for a few weeks.

PR, lovely! Do you spend much time in Germany?

Red letter night and morning - a 7.5 hour stretch, and hen she self-settled for morning nap. Most excellent baby! Have now spent the day in a very family friendly part of London (ie not central London) which was a great change. Spent too much money on kids' books, as I cannot resist.

Yes, please! Though not too sure what willl be happening. The email said there will be a short interview, a tour of the shop, and then we will be job shadowing a staff member and having a go ourselves.

The position is for a till operator, and I used to be in retail management, so all the knowledge is in my brain somewhere, but I am rusty, lacking confidence and I have lost my ability to speak to people.

Sooo....questions they will ask in the interview? Probably something about Cust Service? My work history? Will I be given scenarios? (Though there were a few on the original application.)

Brain is fuzzy. Need to get it working again!

ChasingDaisy Fri 26-Apr-13 17:28:49

PR that looks idyllic envy Do you love living there?

MaMa I love kids' books. O already has loads.

wanna I used to conduct interviews for customer service roles. Call centre, not supermarket though. I will wrack my brains for the questions if you like.

PetiteRaleuse Fri 26-Apr-13 17:30:07

We go to Germany to buy nappies and other toiletries as they are cheaper than in France and Luxembourg. Our favourite place for Sunday lunch is in Germany too. And lots of great walks, and shopping. Lux is where we go to work, and for most medical things, as well as the supermarket shop so we tend to avoid it on the weekend except if I have some small errands as ourearest town is in Luxembourg. We live in France of course, and go to the market here, do shorter walks etc. And during pregnancy when I craved chips we were able to go to Belgium at weekends where they are amazing. It's a great place to live in many respects but I'm craving the sea and the mountains.

wanna is there someone you can practice with? They will ask you about your work history, maybe times you have had to solve a problem, or had to manage a difficult situation, why you like working with people, what do you find most difficult, what your best and worst qualities are...

GTbaby Fri 26-Apr-13 17:32:58

Go chasing kick them horrid ppl out.
WWF is winding me up. I'm shit!

My pelvis is killing me hmm tried to get LO to fall asleep down stairs... Didn't work. Had to carry him up the stairs. Agony hmm he was doing his screaming for ages. In end just left him there. Seems to b quiet now. So hope he is asleep.

PetiteRaleuse Fri 26-Apr-13 17:36:06

chasing it is a nice place to live but the winters are hard, and due to it being so close to Luxembourg it's quite expensive to live here. The village itself is lovely but there is one café which is hardly ever open, a pharmacy and a GP and that is it. There used to be two lovely restaurants but they closed. It gets packed with tourists though. The nearest bakery is in the next village but they deliver our bread every morning which is good. The nearest town is in Lux but expensive (but the paediatricians are great); in France it is about 20km to the nearest big town....

ChasingDaisy Fri 26-Apr-13 17:42:45

wanna these are the ones I can remember:

* What do you know about the role?
* What is your job history?
* What skills did you use in these jobs?
* What qualities do you have that make you a good team player?
* What is your understanding of customer service?
* Give an example of when you provided exceptional customer service
* Give an example of when you dealt with an angry customer.

PennieLane Fri 26-Apr-13 17:57:44

Ha madam! That made me laugh.

Yay it's Friday. I'm going to celebrate by eating tonnes of cake.

MadamGazelleIsMyMum Fri 26-Apr-13 19:31:39

We're back from the food festival. Nom, nom. We're laden down with lots of lovely stuff. Chilli sausages, curry sauces, pizza dough, far too much some cake, cider (well, we are in the West Country) hand reared local steak, local cheese, local wine. We blew the budget in about 10 minutes. Whoops. Could have spent 10 times as much though. Now desperately trying to get DC to sleep so we can go and eat some of it. grin

wanna no experience but want to offer some luck. For confidence, think of the collective might of the quiche. Or channel your inner detective or VQ mama bear.

Impressed with dicks and others weight loss. Nursery have a photographer tomorrow so I booked a slot for some family pics. Now I will regret the last 10 years this evening's pigging out when I try and find something to wear.

MaMaPo Fri 26-Apr-13 19:40:15

Gazelle, am hungry just reading that. Lucky you, in the west country.

PR, I've never been to Luxembourg - would you say it's worth the visit? It sounds like an interesting place to live. And I totally understand going to Belgium for the frites - but of course, also for the beer!? I went to Colmar a couple of years ago on a whim (we got a cheap flight to Basel and spent a day in both Freiburg and Colmar) and it was delightful. (Except for that fact that we happened to be in Freiburg on the same day as the Pope descended... utter madness). I also miss the sea especially - I've never lived near the mountains, but I miss the sunshine and the sea dreadfully living in London.

Got very sucked in at the children's bookshop - bought a counting book in French and English, Edward Lear's nonsense verse (lovely illustrated edition) and an omnibus of 4 Phillip Pullman stories. I cannot WAIT until C is old enough to get interested in books. I don't know what I'll do with myself if she's not a bookworm. continue to purchase the ideal kids' library and read it all myself

BigPigLittlePig Fri 26-Apr-13 19:47:44

The cat is back. And very lively considering he has had major surgery. He is on a strict diet of mush, hourly. He has wolfed down 7 o clocks and been prowling for more ever since. I have so far removed a pipe cleaner from his grasp. Where does he find this stuff?!

Bless the vet, she has spent the past 48 hours at his side, even heating up his food (!) and all he has done is draw blood from her leg, and growl at her. She saved his life the ungrateful so and so.

Madam food festival sounds a-mazing. Love a bit of food porn.
Chasing I would be livid if someone marched off with F to prove a point. Beyond livid in fact.
Wanna good luck, and yes, think of the quiche - the quichey power has chased me out of toilets where I had gone to bf. May the force be with you lol

Clarella Fri 26-Apr-13 19:49:34

<wheezing to thread>

medicine and muslins

<hobbles off to catch up on many pages>

PetiteRaleuse Fri 26-Apr-13 20:01:53

MaMaPo I think it worth the visit. Even more so if you can hire a car to leave the city a little. Lux City is beautiful, but outide it you have river, vineyards and gorgeous villages like mine. I am biased though but Pennie had a trip here a few weeks ago and would be more objective.

PetiteRaleuse Fri 26-Apr-13 20:04:10

Colmar is I think famous for its Xmas market, as is Metz which is my nearest big city in France (Luxembourg city is closer)

PetiteRaleuse Fri 26-Apr-13 20:06:04

My two already have a great book collection. I love children's books and kept quite a few of mine.

Gazelle envy that's all. I love food. In case anyone hadn't noticed.

Passmethecrisps Fri 26-Apr-13 20:08:29

Sounds like fun clarella! Hope all is well.

Good luck wanna! Channelling your inner quiche is a great idea!

The castle looks lovely PR but I know what it is like to live in a beautiful but empty space. I grew up on a farm a few miles out of a very picturesque but small town. Most of it catered towards tourism so many businesses closed over winter or go out of business very quickly. I once came across someone from there on MN and we both virtually sized each other up.

My current house has a castle view from the garden and the Wallace monument from the bedroom. They could be better views but they are not bad really.

chasing just angry sad angry and [fucking furious] for you. I am going to speak honestly here . . . Your SIL is a bitch. A total fucking bitch. You don't use babies as tools for power play, to exert your authority or to belittle someone else. I fucking hate her and your MIL and if I ever meet them I will . . . Be terribly cross because I am too anal to be openly rude to anyone. But the thought will be there!

fruitpastilles Fri 26-Apr-13 20:08:50

Evening all, took me bloody ages just to catch up!
chasing I seriously don't know how you put up with you ILs they sound dreadful. Is MIL as bad as SIL? Well done for taking O back, I bet his eyes lit up when u took him off her!

wanna good luck with the interview day, it sounds like I used to do the same kind of job as chasing and the questions she has provided are pretty much what I'd have said too. Your S and my S share a birthday smile

madam my tummy is rumbling now after reading your post.

Bit late on these ones but, VQ your gp sounds terrible but I'm glad J has some meds now and the correct formula, fc he will pick up a bit now.
det I used to do slimming world, a kitkat chunky is 13 syns shock (did you say you nearly had a kitkat this morning?) I used to always have reduced fat cheddar because you can have 40g haha!

Had a lovely day today, spent it with my friend and her gorgeous 2 week old baby and our other friend who is due in July, S was entertaining them and they couldn't believe how much of a dirty laugh she has.

PetiteRaleuse Fri 26-Apr-13 20:12:31

pass I love Stirling. It's one of my favourite places.

MissMummy1 Fri 26-Apr-13 20:22:48

Chasing that is exactly why I have out my foot down on my uppity SIL and her obnoxious 8 year old staying with us in a couple of weeks. What a cow. I am furious on your behalf angry

Lovely day with some lovely ladies, as per smile

I have a view of the forth rail bridge from my back garden. The river from my bedroom.

ChasingDaisy Fri 26-Apr-13 20:23:57

Pass that made me literally laugh out loud. You strike me as very polite smile

Thank you for your anger on my behalf, I was fuming. O sobbed when I finally got him back and hid his head in my neck as they said goodbye sad He is going through a clingy phase but it is definitely a power game for SIL. She is trying to prove a point. I am beyond caring what they think of me, O is all that matters.

fruit I was a call centre team leader smile

YellowWellies Fri 26-Apr-13 20:24:07

Hello all - just checking in. We had a lovely blether and catch up with Pass and P; MM and M and MrsWee and O.

Which managed to turn a day of shit sleep / early start / overtired (teething, reflux, cold, growth spurt, or just generally out of sorts????? I have no clue) / whinging baby into a really lovely day.

I swear he cheers up for company - beaming at the lady babies seems to be his new trick. Another new trick appears to be unlatching from my boob and waving said boob at poor blushing train ticket inspectors. shock blush

PR Yep there's a six month growth spurt and its meant to be a doozy.

ValiumQueen Fri 26-Apr-13 20:29:10

I too can see the castle and the Mel Gibson monument from my bedroom. Just about.

MissMummy1 Fri 26-Apr-13 20:30:54

<waves at vq > We missed you today!!

PennieLane Fri 26-Apr-13 20:38:00

I'd recommend a trip to Lux, it's a lovely sleepy break with nice wine and food-perfect with a baby! Plus we got the train the whole way, stopping in Belgium, so it was nice to combine both. I work a lot in Brussels and my favourite thing is frites and beer there!

We're off to N Ireland/rep. of Ireland next. Two weeks in camper van. Any recs from N Ireland based quichettes? We've a wedding in Donegal and a birthday party in Belfast but no plans other than that.

ValiumQueen Fri 26-Apr-13 20:40:05

<<waves back>> thank you x I thought of you guys all afternoon.

Thanks for the pointers Chasing going to sit down tomorrow and write out answers to those. Get my mind thinking about it all again!

Thanks everyone for all the well wishes, I am sure I wont get it, but I have nothing to lose.

<waves at fruit and another S. Always wondered were there any others with the same day on here smile Is your S a boy or girl?

Sorry for asking about everyone. I am sure it gets annoying.

madam that food sounds great. Very jealous.

PR I have to say that where you live sounds really fantastic. I have never been travelling, but it sounds like somewhere I would enjoy. When its your life though I appreciate its different!

Izzybuzzybuzzybees Fri 26-Apr-13 20:41:21

Mel Gibson monument?!!

Where is the party in Belfast? I am 20 minutes from Belfast grin

As for recommendations, what kind of things do you like to do?

MsJupiterJones Fri 26-Apr-13 20:53:00

Hi, quick health question.

L has just vomited, not projectile but more than he usually does. Watery with milky bits but with a pink tinge. Enough to leave a mark on his babygro. He's not eaten anything red today, only a bit of mango this morning but it's not that colour at all. Other foods were banana, cucumber, a tiny bit of white fish & mashed potato.

He's been pretty grouchy today, I assumed teething and have given Dentinox and his chewy teether. Could be that he's chomped his gums raw and drawn some blood, or nicked the inside of his mouth with a nail. Can't see any signs of it though. Or... I don't know. Blood from his tummy? Oesophagus? Would you call NHS direct?

BigPigLittlePig Fri 26-Apr-13 20:57:07

JJ blood from stomach will usually be dark brown/blackish as is partially digested by the stomach acid. Pink tinge would be from a minor bit of bleeding from gullet/mouth, if in fact due to that, rather than something else. I would keep an eye on him, give him some calpol and a cuddle. Obviously if you're worried get him checked though.

YellowWellies Fri 26-Apr-13 20:57:19

Yes VQ, Izzy & Cacacaz we missed you today. We can report that MrsWee and Oran are lovely - and that JL has epic cakes which will be on my return to dairy binge - the other quichettes restrained themselves. So am I scary or are other people just not as cake obsessed?

Mel Gibson monument = William Wallace monument in Stirling. Stirling is lovely.

kirrinIsland Fri 26-Apr-13 20:58:04

chasing hats off to you - I don't know how you put up with in laws like that thanks

Glad the cat is ok bplp typical cat to bite the hand that saved it feeds it grin

Congrats on the the good weight loss. Is Slimming World easy to follow? Has any one tried weight watchers. I have no will power - this is likely to be a major stumbling block, no?!

I have a view of fields and houses from my house. 'tis quite pretty but not spectacular. I used to have a view of the Cathedral when I lived in the city, I much prefer the current view. When I go back to stay with my Dad in the house we grew up in I still can't get used to the fact that the cows in the field behind the house are now brown and white. When I lived there they were black and white - they still look odd and it's been years and years!

PetiteRaleuse Fri 26-Apr-13 21:04:32

wanna I prefer life here to anywhere else I have lived but that is more due to the fact that I have been happy with DH here, had the children here etc. But I really miss the sea. We're four hours from the sea and I grew up with a view of the sea and it's really hard being away from it. Sometimes I can smell it on the wind and feel sad when I realise how far it is away.

MsJupiterJones Fri 26-Apr-13 21:05:15

Thanks BP, that's reassuring. I was a bit shocked to see it but I think you're right. Have administered Calpol and DH is dispensing cuddle and milk as we speak.

Pikz Fri 26-Apr-13 21:06:46

I just see lots of horses and deer and grass from my house!

Just had amazing noodles in laksa with blackened chicken with sesame and honey. All done in 20 mins and calorie controlled. We are working our way through Jamie's 15 min meals to get us back cooking every night. It's working a treat.

BigPigLittlePig Fri 26-Apr-13 21:08:06

Have just had to administer kitty-morphine to cat via a syringe. Shame cats don't have cheeks to squirt it into like babies. Also glad that babies who need thrice daily meds don't have claws, as I would have no skin left if this were the case.

Off to bed shortly, in anticipation of a shit night ahead.

PetiteRaleuse Fri 26-Apr-13 21:08:17

Cats are officially ungrateful fuckers. And mine are crap at catching spiders so doubly crap.

How is J today vq ?

Catbag Fri 26-Apr-13 21:08:35

izzy I am guessing it is William Wallace grin

Catbag Fri 26-Apr-13 21:12:20

So getting distracted and not pressing 'post' means that you answer a question half an hour after everyone else already has blush

Passmethecrisps Fri 26-Apr-13 21:15:44

Sorry! Dinner got in the way of quiche-meet review. It was awesome fun! It is amazing how the company of others makes doing all the stuff you usually do just a bit more fun. mrs wee was lovely a so nice to put a face to the name and O was a bundle of cute. YW I wish you had been on my train in the morning so you could have flashed the Rudest Ticket Man Ever! I am loving that I can see changes in the babies and how mic they are growing. And YW I am more of a savoury girl. Not having cake would not bother me massively but not having crisps?!?

Right! Next one? I loves a quiche meet!

There was a monument of William Wallace which had Mel Gibson's face on. Didn't go down massively well. It is somewhere else now. Some town in Stirlingshire which didn't mind the pimping and bastardisation of history. Is Stirling really one of your favourite places PR? 'Mazin! I really like living here. I love that I can catch a train into Edinburgh or Glasgow and be there in less than an hour but I can be in proper countryside within minutes. It is a bit rough around the edges but I must admit to quite liking that.

chasing I am very polite smile! I wish I was more, ya know, ballsy. But I am not. In my head I am a tornado of righteousness - so much that many people believe that this is how I actually am. I do a great line in inner ranting.

I love the sea. We couldnt see it from the house growing up, but it was walking distance. I think I would feel claustrophobic if it wasnt close by so I can sympathise!

fruitpastilles Fri 26-Apr-13 21:30:10

chasing yes, I thought that's what you did, me to!
wanna my S is a girl Sinead smile

Jealous of all the meets you lovely scots have, us middlers are yet to arrange one.

ChasingDaisy Fri 26-Apr-13 21:34:09

Ah that's good fruit I was starting to feel outnumbered and inadequate by all of the teachers and health professionals here!

I got made redundant when I was 3 weeks pregnant! Will probably be looking to find a part time call centre job when my Maternity Allowance stops. Back on the phones for me!

fruitpastilles Fri 26-Apr-13 21:41:27

Me too chasing I think that's why I haven't said before what I do. I'm not career minded one bit though, and am not going back to work so so fucking glad

MissMummy1 Fri 26-Apr-13 21:57:16

Wanna where are you? My ILs live just outside of Bangor smile

Ah I used to work in Bangor. smile

I live near Downpatrick! Down towards the Mournes.

Passmethecrisps Fri 26-Apr-13 22:01:14

Lol fruit! I may be a teacher but you appear to be consistently whupping my ass at WWF! Don't be dafty ladies - if this Fred proves anything it is that babeez are great levellers.

fruitpastilles Fri 26-Apr-13 22:03:40

Ha pass I really don't know how, I'm just getting good letters, I play about 5 games a time with my auntie yes I'm that sad and I think in all of the games I've ever played with her must have been hundreds I've won 3!

Izzybuzzybuzzybees Fri 26-Apr-13 22:12:57

Nice to know I was missed smile I missed you guys too. I'm with pass when's the next meet?!

Ah I get it now re the mel Gibson monument...[eejit emotican]

Elizadoesdolittle Fri 26-Apr-13 22:14:20

jj sorry about L. It's very likely he has a small cut in his gums, or could it have come from you? You are still bf too aren't you so perhaps could have come from cracked nipple or something. When E did it once the dr said even if you can't see a cut there could be one you can't really feel or notice. Just look out for more of it and try not to worry.

ValiumQueen Fri 26-Apr-13 22:16:47

Nothing glamorous about clearing up bodily fluids for a living.

No offence was meant by mentioning Mel Gibson, honest. <<worried face>>

Kyzordz Fri 26-Apr-13 22:19:38

So much to catch up on. Will keep writing for as long as df takes technically not a df as he woke coughing . I know alot is hours ago but i'm going from where I last read

pr your cake sounds lovely

wanna good luck with your interview!

madame am hungry after yours and pr's Foody posts!

mama i'm looking forward to the book stage too smile

Glad the cat seems better bplp smile

Your day sounds lovely fruit smile

Hope l is ok jj smile

Busy day here today, I'm so tired! Looks like mum and baby may be home tomorrow, I'll be about to help as much as possible, and want to meet the little miss smile

Night all x

MaMaPo Fri 26-Apr-13 22:22:36

Is the Mel Gibson monument the awful one that has FREEDOM blazoned across the bottom, but kept getting vandalised and so was kept in a cage? grin

Jealous of all those of who who are near countryside. Outside my window is some greenery, but mostly brickwork. I can hear Big Ben though mostly at night as if to say Why the fuck are you awake at 3am

Oh yes, forgot to say shock and angry Chasing at what you have to put up with. I am very forthright - someone would have had their arse handed to them for that kind of behaviour. Poor O!

ValiumQueen Fri 26-Apr-13 22:23:36

J has had a good day. Will start Ranitadine tomorrow. He even self settled in his cot twice.

Have been reading up more about Nutramigen 2. From 6 months if they are on fucking solids! Why does it not say that on the fucking tin!!! I am not going back to the Dr for more No.1. J will be on solids once he is stable on the ranitadine. <<considers raiding stash under passs sofa>>

Passmethecrisps Fri 26-Apr-13 22:29:38

<peers around shiftelly>
<whips open rain coat lined with tins of formula>

Offence? Lolz. I would have liked mel's monument. I don't give a flying fuck about any of it. Guid story. Shite history.

Passmethecrisps Fri 26-Apr-13 22:31:11

But is there something romantic about hearing Big Ben in your own actual house rather than in the news?

ValiumQueen Fri 26-Apr-13 22:32:30

<<wipes brow>>

<<opens trench coat lined with crisps>>

Elizadoesdolittle Fri 26-Apr-13 22:34:29

Wanna good luck with your interview. I used to be in retail management many years a go. Then moved into finance. I often look back fondly on my retail days. Very much using rose tinted spectacles I think. If I did go back to work (guess ill have to one day) I think id like to go back to retail.

Vq glad j is more settled.

I currently live in a townhouse so the view from the living room one side is nice as it looks out onto playing fields, as does my bedroom window. I live in a Cul de sac and the view from the other side is the street and to the side an office block, not so nice.

Donnadoon Fri 26-Apr-13 22:37:03

Hi everyone
Dd is 29 weeks on Sunday and only just on 2 meals a day...as she was born early I've took things really slow with her.
She is still sleeping next to me and we plan to try her in own room this weekend
I have been slightly better than I was about my paranoia and I'm not waking every hour to check her anymore
Lovely to read everyone's updates
Welcome wannabe . Hope all is better with your P this evening Evil

MaMaPo Fri 26-Apr-13 22:37:16

pass I do love hearing Big Ben. Just less so in the wee hours.

Moseying in hallway while husband gives df. Little monster sound like she's hoovering it up. I'm off to sleep immediately after she's back in bed, hopefully for another lovely long stretch like last night. I've jinxed it now, haven't I!?

Clarella Fri 26-Apr-13 22:44:26

ok attempting to catch up.... third is as far as I got till Mel Gibson distracted me!:

oh vq shitty doc but glad you got meds.

shock yw about cio bil. I think I had reflux by the sounds of it and mum did some cio with my younger sister as a result and now self flaggelates a lot about it as my sister has had depression. I try pointing out every female member of our family is both creative and depressive and all on prozac except me but she continues the mum guilt

evil that is worrying are you ok?

my parents live in stirling so I know the Mel monument well! <shudders> sadly / thankfully they're moving to York in the next month no more cheap Scottish hols but nearer to newcastle which is nice

their house backs onto the golf course and mum has a million friends through all the dog owners. we got a baby present from the dog walkers actually, v sweet. I'll miss the new years stuff up there!

ok regression has ramped up a gear. 4 wake ups since 7:15. blaming sitting up and new mumhmmum/raspberry sound. moro reflex back too so cosleeping as appears to just allow twitching but not actual wake up. but did take a bottle well tonight!!

turns out lo did have a real uti - rang hospital. really lovely nurse?Dr? was reassuring and I now suspect I know why - lo might have v tight fore skin which both his paternal uncles had to have removed but dhs stretched. tmi sorry! she said can be a factor/ reason for uti in boys. so has to be on antibiotics. though I think his system Is adjusting now as poos seem good again and if no kidney reflux at scan then can come off. she encouraged exclusive bf till 6mo if poss though so persevering.

sorry your nights are rubbish stunt hope better soon.

thanks for reflux foods tips yw too!

Clarella Fri 26-Apr-13 22:48:41

as an English person you enter the Wallace monument all keen to see some history and come out slightly bashed. and that sword of his must be a fake. I'm sure he wasn't that tall. everyone was a midget in those days.

PetiteRaleuse Fri 26-Apr-13 22:58:34

Isn't the Wallace Monument a tower? Not a statue of Mel or anyone?

Yes Pass I love Stirling. I remember sitting on a wall by the castle and sneezing, I was about 16, and a woman who was walking by said 'God bless you dear' with the most beautiful Scottish lilt and it made my day.

ValiumQueen Fri 26-Apr-13 23:15:42

Pic on FB of Wallace Monument. There was a small freedom Mel Gibson-esque statue beneath it. Not sure if it is still there though.

TheDetective Fri 26-Apr-13 23:16:57

Boo!

Fucking hell chasing do I have to come back and whoop some IL ass in to touch?! Twunts. Utter fucking twunts. angry

VQ and pass I'm sat here chunnering away at your trench coats. <Opens own trench coat and displays cheese collection> grin

View from my house? Erm. Cars. And road. And some houses. Baaaah!

I got my sick note today - for the next month. And an email from work, saying to expect a call from the HR health and wellbeing team on monday! I'm wetting myself with the excitement! And hoping they don't ring at 9am, but ring when O is screaming the house down at 4pm instead.

Weaning going well still. O is chuffed with food. And as a result takes his milk like a fucking pro. What a difference in the boy. smile

ValiumQueen Fri 26-Apr-13 23:18:38

My DH had a tight foreskin and had to have it removed at a young age. I have no idea if J has inherited this or not. We are not meant to retract it at all at this young age so unsure how to tell. It looks a very snug fit though.

TheDetective Fri 26-Apr-13 23:22:16

I've been studying the slimming world stuff all day. I don't do things by half. Once I set my mind to it, I go the whole hog.

So me and DP went shopping, and even made it to the local veg shop. Got £20 worth of fruit and veg, which equated to 3 bulging carrier bags shock.

We've worked out our treats, and our meals, and how we are going to stick to it. Should work. Gonna miss some stuff. But I can always lick it, right?!

So far so good. Feeling proud <puffs out ample chestage>. Never done this type of thing before. First meal went a bit wrong bloody men but we ate it, and it was free food, so it doesn't matter that it tasted, erm. Interesting?!

Since DP finishes work for 3 months tomorrow, this is the perfect time to do this. We are both at home, no excuses for unhealthy eating, or comfort foods just because that is all there is.

No shift work stopping us. If we don't do it now, we never will!

TheDetective Fri 26-Apr-13 23:24:17

VQ The last time DS1 let me anywhere near his was around 6. It didn't retract then. He has told his dad it still doesn't.

As far as I know they give it to the teenage years unless problems before. He hasn't had any problems. I think they can use creams before going for the snippity snip.

I've not noticed on O yet forgot to look to be honest!.

Izzybuzzybuzzybees Fri 26-Apr-13 23:25:38

Good luck with SW detective I think its fab so far!

Right I'm off to bed. Have a busy day of holiday shopping then a full body massage in the afternoon after which DH has says I deserve a nap. Cannot bloody wait!!

PetiteRaleuse Fri 26-Apr-13 23:34:06

Plans for the weekend. Off to the post office woo hoo, then meeting up with some friends from Paris who have come to Lux for the weekend (a stupidly rainy weekend at that, ha, should have done a mid week break) then steak and chips tomorrow night.

DH got in at 11 as his car broke down in work car park and he had to call the garage and get a replacement. Stupid. I should have gone to get him and the car could have waited til Monday morning and sorting it out would have been on work time, not our time (tis a company car). Anyway...

Sunday our local farm is having its open day so we will go look at animals til DD1 drops. Last time we were lucky enough to watch a calf being born but DD1 was too young to understand; could we be lucky twice in a row?

PetiteRaleuse Fri 26-Apr-13 23:58:24

No spiders in my nighty tonight. Woo.

The post office is to post my ebay sales. Ha. Giveaways. Stingy bidders. From now on will just give to charity.

PurplePidjin Sat 27-Apr-13 01:05:04

Fucking sleep's gone to pot. Down at 7:45 awake 9:30 and 00:50. Wtf?! Maybe because it's on the chilly side where the heating's fucked?! Not cold though, just not as warm as usual

MaMaPo Sat 27-Apr-13 03:15:47

Pidj, we have the opposite problem here. I'm boiling! C is in a hybrid swaddle sleeping bag so I get concerned she'll overheat. Thermometer says 19° though. Warm enough.

Sleeping 10.30-3 is a pretty good stretch. But after last night feels like a failure. Oh babies, keeping us on our toes...

PurplePidjin Sat 27-Apr-13 03:16:46

And again sad

I'm the only crap one tonight then? Everyone else sleeping through? sad

StuntNun Sat 27-Apr-13 03:52:28

Phew first wake up here apart from two instances of squealing because his dummy fell out. Last night was horrendous, I ended up going for a walk at midnight to get away from the screaming. hmm When I got back, DH has managed to get J back to sleep. I'm assuming it's teeth-related as he has been dribbling an awful lot lately. A lovely long lie in would be nice J. How about till 9 a.m. please?!

Whereabouts in NI will you be Pennie? I'm near Antrim and Wanna is south of Belfast iirc. There were tentative thoughts of a NI meet but later in the year when Sophia and MM are both over. Are there any other Irish quichettes?

PurplePidjin Sat 27-Apr-13 04:40:47

And another at 4:25. Transferring now sad

PurplePidjin Sat 27-Apr-13 04:45:58

Fail

Lost track of her feeds tonight. DP was up but I was so exhausted its just a vague memory. I gave her 2ozs at 4.45. Now I cant sleep.

Been googling about this interview day. I am going to have to smile and talk to people. So out of practice.

Bryzoan Sat 27-Apr-13 05:20:03

Poor pidj :-(. And poor stunt last night. Sounds horrendous.

Forgot to say earlier well done at the docs vq. V frustrating that you are being made to feel so bad for trying to feed your baby. Hope you are able to sort a bit more of the stage 1.

And well done all you dieters hides concern that I'll be left high and dry as the Fred chubster.

Dixiebell Sat 27-Apr-13 06:21:55

Miracle night here (relatively). Bed at 7.30, not up till 1.30, then 6. I could handle that every night, compared to 3/4 wake ups. Ds1 is currently singing loudly in his room. His groclock usually changes to sunshine at 6.15 but I changed it to 7am for the weekend. He won't shout for us until the sun comes onto it, but it kind of defeats the object if he sings at top of his voice!

My views : a lovely tree full of blossom out the front at mo, and behind, the neighbours' kids heads popping up over the fence as the situated their trampoline at the end of their garden hmm. We have planted lots of bamboo to try and mask them!

Lily311 Sat 27-Apr-13 06:25:44

I'm here. Removal truck came yest so now sleeping in an empty house. Weird feeling. Sad. Not excited yet. In a week time I will be in Hungary.

chasing well done you getting O back, what a weird SIl.

detective jealous of slimming world. I plan to go to the gym once in Hungary, I used to go 5 times a week. My mum can babysit, yey.

I forgot what I wanted to write. No weekend plans, will try to see some friends.

MadamGazelleIsMyMum Sat 27-Apr-13 07:25:51

DS has just "got" the open mouth, take spoon, taste food, swallow manoeuvre! Bowl of porridge = demolished! He's now nomming some toast soldiers with some assistance / bossing about from DD while shrieking with delight. We're an end terrace. Our neighbours must hate us. But it's so exciting to think of all his first tastes he was clearly inspired by the steak, cider and cake smells from this house last night.

Kyzordz Sat 27-Apr-13 07:30:40

Morning all, pidj sounds like an awful night!

Our night wasn't too bad minus the coughing. But he has been up since 6:45 and is on set 3 of pj's. Say no more!

<goes back to read Fred>

MadamGazelleIsMyMum Sat 27-Apr-13 07:31:10

lily next chapter and all that. Sad comes with the territory of moving from one to the next I think.

dixie love blossom.

detective I could do with that level of inspiration / commitment re SW.

My views as a child were of the sea. Grew up in a south Devon seaside town famous as the setting for 2 programmes about disfunctional hotels grin Now we live in a city close by - our views are other terraced houses and gardens, but you can see the 12th century cathedral from nearly everywhere in the city as its on a hill. Plus around the corner is the original medieval bridge over the river that you can still walk over. So am compensated for uninspiring house views which I nevertheless love due to inherent nosiness by amazing views just down the road!

Kyzordz Sat 27-Apr-13 07:45:07

Sorry, that reads insensitively sad brew pidj

Pikz Sat 27-Apr-13 07:50:05

I'd like a rain coat too! I think mine would be lined with wine though...:D

Sorry for shit night stunt and PP, I hope you get lie ins.

LO up at 5am sad this is because he knew I had a babysitter in my mum tonight so I could take DP to the cinema to cheer him up because my fucking ridiculous mil is gambling away all his money sad

I will fall asleep in the film won't I.

PurplePidjin Sat 27-Apr-13 07:50:26

Not really, Kyz, I now have a smily baby naked on the change mat he better with a Nobel bloody Prize for Development today so it's swings and roundabouts really smile

We have been awoken to the sound of high pitched singing/wailing from S. She is happy. It just sounds like a cat is being killed. Shes trying to be Mariah Carey grin

Hopeful for some sitting up today now that she has mastered the back to front roll.

PetiteRaleuse Sat 27-Apr-13 08:33:00

Pikz there sounds likely to one hell of a backstory to that comment.

Shite night here. Wnt to bed too late coz of DH's car issues. Am pissed off as one of my ebay buyers hasn't paid and that means I can't send everything at once. I don't know if it's the same over there but people don't want to pay for anything anymore. My box set of the wire went for a third of the cheapest new price I can find (and paid for it)

PetiteRaleuse Sat 27-Apr-13 10:10:30

Big disadvantage of living far away from family is that you use up a lot of holiday time visiting family. I would love to visit so much of the UK and Ireland but when I go to the UK I have (and want) to visit family. I have never been to the south west though, and have so many places that I want to see again. I really regret not travelling more when I was in my 20s , but my exes were arses and put a stop to most decent plans.

Passmethecrisps Sat 27-Apr-13 10:14:49

Morning.

Sorry to hear about poor nights. stunt yours particularly sounds horrendous.

Oh blimey. I was all set for posting then P woke from her nap. Now I have no idea what I was going to say.

Lovely day here in central jockland. Think a wander into town is on the cards.

P's new favourite thing is having her fingers nommed by me.

Pikz Sat 27-Apr-13 10:24:36

I'm auditioning for worst mummy award today. LO having screaming fits every time I put him in cot even though he's sound asleep before transfer.

I lost my temper with him and had to walk away hmm No idea what's wrong he just won't be separated from me. Now asleep on me. DP has to calm him and me down.

Think I'm just stressed out. Yep PR a long story that I won't bore you all with but I'm very fucked off with mil right now.

TooManyDicksOnTheDancefloor Sat 27-Apr-13 10:37:19

Morning all, we had a bad night here too, in fact we've had a bad week. B has reverted to feeding like a newborn, 11pm, 2am, 5.30am. She also woke numerous times for her dummy. This will end, right? She's five months next week. In other news, she seems to be completely over yesterday's lip and tongue procedure, not bothered in the slightest grin.

Elizadoesdolittle Sat 27-Apr-13 10:38:37

pr I was having a discussion with DH about eBay last night. I have a huge back of decent clothes ready to go to charity. In it are 2 coast outfits only worn once and dry cleaned straight after. DH reckons I should eBay them but I know I'll get pittance for them and I'd rather give them away so a charity can benefit.

Taking DD1 to her swimming lessons this afternoon and that's all I pretty much have lined up for this weekend. Very dull!

Elizadoesdolittle Sat 27-Apr-13 10:40:26

toomany I meant to say in my earlier post that I hope your lo recovers quickly, bless her. Hopefully she will start sleeping better for you soon.

Pikz Sat 27-Apr-13 10:43:44

Don't think I'm helping self by playing candy crush... Every time it says 'you've failed' I want to shout I know!!

Clarella Sat 27-Apr-13 10:47:44

<grabs multitude of oral syringes lying around and props eyes open>

no pidj you weren't the only one - we were horrendous last night. didn't even attempt transfers all of the 6 inches into bedside cot! it was possibly every hour at one point but I just snuggled up with him and rolled him on and off the boob.

seriously contemplating hammock tonight just to see if makes any difference. I'm not sure 'habits' need worrying about at mo!

20 weeks on Monday (22 if edd .....)

mate who is round to give quote for our dangerously awful front drive is a member of the my baby didn't sleep till 6mo club....grin

TooManyDicksOnTheDancefloor Sat 27-Apr-13 10:52:10

Thanks eliza. I've also got some hardly worn clothes, I'm going to send then to a local women's refuge, along with my maternity clothes. Can't be bothered with eBay.

clarella, is it an age thing? We're up all night here and they're a week apart in age.

Clarella Sat 27-Apr-13 10:56:24

oh god I wish he'd do a regression of every 3 hours. sad

Clarella Sat 27-Apr-13 10:57:22

must be toomany and pidj when a newborn he fed 2 hourly in the night

Clarella Sat 27-Apr-13 12:02:02

actually I'm getting a bit worried now. ddoes the quiche think waking up every hour is possibly a sign of something? he's waking in tears too after squirming. just wondering about this kidney thing again. might get another test again

PetiteRaleuse Sat 27-Apr-13 12:03:29

That must be a relief Dicks for the procedure. We're having sleep issues here too sad but mainly my own.

PetiteRaleuse Sat 27-Apr-13 12:05:21

Could be tummy ache or teething too clarella but worth getting him checked because kidney issues can be recurrent.

TheDetective Sat 27-Apr-13 12:07:03

Afternoon smile

Good night was had hear. Stunt I think we stole your lie in???!

O woke just before 7, fed, and slept with me til 9! We lazed in bed he played with the dog on the bed! til nearly 10. Then he had some carrots and nommed the lot and made his more more more noises! And almost drained a full bottle straight after.

He's now back asleep, so I've had chance to run around and put the embarrassingly large washing pile away, and make some breakfast. Well, lunch I guess. confused

I grilled some bacon, a large mushroom, and some tomatoes with salt, pepper and basil. Made the bacon in to a butty with wholemeal toast. All free food. No syns! Yay!

So far so good! Just got to decide where to use my syns today or save them!. I fancy a milky bar. I think I'll save that for tonight after tea! My will power is at its weakest once both children have gone to bed!

Do we still have the diet thread VQ?

TheDetective Sat 27-Apr-13 12:07:46

Hear?!! Here! Doofus.

TheDetective Sat 27-Apr-13 12:08:33

I could have 3 milky bars....!

BigPigLittlePig Sat 27-Apr-13 12:14:26

Calpol did not help last night. Still up at 11.30, 3, 4.30, 5.15 (to play, wtf?). Also didn't help that the cat was feeling quite lively overnight, and alternated between humping/attacking my leg. Surely that can't be good for his stitches? Little sod is now resolutely refusing to eat his food because I've crunched his tablets up into it angry. So between a baby feeding like a newborn, and a cat who needs feeding hourly, I'm a bit sleepy today.

clarella when F was up hourly, it was due to reflux - now that's sorted, she's up 2 or 3 hourly. Am yet to find the explanation for that. THIS TOO WILL PASS soon please

dicks glad to hear LO back to her usual self so quickly, they're tough little cookies.

ValiumQueen Sat 27-Apr-13 12:39:37

It will pass. J was an hourly boy, and slept through last night from 8-6.30. He does this 2 or 3 nights a week, and wakes once on the other nights, usually around 4.30. It will pass x

clarella best get things checked.

detective I fell off that Fred after a week, and am not ready to rejoin, so no idea, sorry blush

Clarella Sat 27-Apr-13 13:02:32

yes I will - he's got kidney scan on 10th may anyway and they won't mind another check incase. in between sleeps he's a happy chappy though so prob just normal fucking regression

the number of people who say 'ooh he's very alert'.... I guess he's processing it all at night. alert = handful in my mindhmm grin

Arghh I’m going to be naughty and write a “help me” post without catching up on the rest of the thread.

It seems that after giving birth, as well as losing a few brain cells and forgetting things, it has also rendered me incapable of making a decision and planning holiday packing without stressing out.
I’ve got a few questions/worries if anyone would care to help me and stop me stressing out. I’m trying to pack for our holiday next Saturday but keep thinking I’ll pack too much or not have enough, or completely forget things.

We’re going to Majorca, temperatures at the moment are 20’C during the day, mid teens in the evening and early teens later at night. We get 20kg luggage each and 10kg for M, it can be pooled but no bag more than 23kg. So……
•What bags should I take? I was thinking of taking two suitcases up to 23kg rather than three bags, either that or two suitcases and then a holdall with just nappies in which can be folded and packed on the way home.
•A fried has recommended stashing the nappies in the buggy bag that we give them at the gate, then they won’t be counted in our weight. Has anyone done this? It sounds a good idea but I don’t want to get caught out and lose a pack of nappies.
•What the hell do I pack for M to wear? During the day we’ve got a UV suit, a couple of romper things, a couple of sundresses (?) or just short sleeve or sleeveless vests? What about evenings? I’d thought about taking dresses that could be worn with tights/leggings if it was a bit cold. All her t-shirts are long sleeved at the moment but I could buy a couple of short sleeve incase it’s warm.
•What should I pack for M to sleep in? At the moment she’s wearing long sleeve vest, babygrow and 2.5tog sleeping bag. I presume this will be too warm although we’ll have aircon. I’ve got a couple of one tog sleeping bags? A long sleeve vest on its own? A babygrow on its own? A shortsleeve vest?
•What the hell should I pack to wear myself in the evenings? I’m used to hotter holidays where I wear a dress/leggings but dresses are out for breastfeeding. Would I be ok with a couple of pairs of skinny jeans and a couple of tops do you reckon?

Sorry for the ridiculous questions. I make a list but then keep thinking but what if it’s hotter I’ll need…., but then what if it’s cold and rainy I’ll need…., what if M throws up all over her clothes whill I have enough outfits

<and breathe>

Clarella Sat 27-Apr-13 13:09:49

<wrestles alert clingy baby into sling and starts hacking at laundry pile>

fuck it I'm going to accept invite to see Eddie izzard next sat night grin

does everyone else generally have 3 full ikea bags of washing at any one time?

Clarella Sat 27-Apr-13 13:11:32

woah fatima! haven't a clue am afraid, the thought of travelling further than middlesborough gives me the sweats at mo!

Pikz Sat 27-Apr-13 13:28:27

Ok fatima will try and help a bit...

Nappies you can buy out there...most of Europe have pampers! Just take what you need for the flight.

In terms of clothes for M. You will need 1tog bags and then I put LO in vest and romper...meant I could strip if too hot but was more than just vest.

Do you wave ability to wash? I found the best advice was take six outfits and 6 vests...gives you enough to rinse through and means you don't pack too much. Always take 3 hats was the other piece, your bound to lose one and then having no spare is not good.

TheDetective Sat 27-Apr-13 13:37:59

I'll try and answer some of it!

We went to Turkey 2 years ago at the start of May. You will need warm clothes for the evening, I promise you! A coat (light weight would be okay) on top of skinnies and a tshirt definitely! I was freezing in summer dresses and cardigans hmm.

For M I would go with the rompers and UV suits for the day, with some cardigans if the sun goes behind clouds. At night I'd put her in just a short sleeve vest, with a 1 tog sleeping bag. If it is cooler than that, put her in just a baby grow with a 1 tog sleeping bag. O often just sleeps in a vest, or just a babygrow now can't keep up with the fucking washing!!. For the evenings when you are out, I'd put her in a babygrow or dress with tights and a cardi. Basically, what you would put her in in the UK during the day at this time of year, as that is what the evenings will feel like over there.

What are you planning on doing? Days out? Just staying around the pool?

I'd go with the 2 suitcases and a hold all. Have you got luggage scales? If not, i'll bring you mine next week at TC if you want?

I wouldn't put the nappies in the buggy bag. The way we were searched it wouldn't have worked. Shame really. But we got a million and one questions about the sodding bag! You could buy them after you've been through security and put them in that way. But to be honest, I'd just put them in your case. Less hassle.

Remember you have allowance in your hand luggage too.

Is that any help?!

TheDetective Sat 27-Apr-13 13:39:11

See I'd take a hell of a lot more clothes for O, but he is a vommer! If he wasn't, I'd take 2 changes per day.

Managed to catch up

Wanna Good luck with the interview
BPLP Sympathies with the randy cat and hourly waking, M seems to be coming out the other side of it and is starting to sleep a bit longer than 2-3 hours so there is hope.
Detective I hope you're saving some syns for friday
Dicks Glad the laser op went well
(((Hugs))) for the rest of the non-sleeping, poorly and ratty babies

DH has gone off to cricket but the weather doesn't look the best so don't know what to do with ourselves

Clarella Tell me about it, i'm normally good at being organised and minimal packing. Not anymore it seems

Thanks for the advice pikz I think I will put her in babygrows, she sleeps better when warmer and like you say I can always take them off. I was going to take a bit of washing liquid and some pegs so I can wash and hang out if I need to.

Sun hats, that's one thing we haven't got yet. They're on my list to buy this week
<adds to never ending to do list>

Thanks Detective Knew I could count on you grin
That's what I was thinking for the evenings, what we're currently wearing during the day here, so babygrows or dress and leggings for M, Jeans/top/cardi combo for me
If I could borrow you luggage scales that would be fab, I was just thinking about where I could buy some from.

I've got the pampers baby dry to test for mumsnet so we were going to take them with us. I'll just pop them in the luggage rather than risk it.

Hand luggage allowance? Do we?

TheDetective Sat 27-Apr-13 13:45:59

Yes I am Fatima!! I will need to find out how to find out how many syns are in the shit stuff I want to eat when out! hmm

TheDetective Sat 27-Apr-13 13:49:13

I'll bring them! Remind me! And I'll tell you how to use them so you can practice how strong you are on them childishly!!.

Don't let me forget!!!!

Definitely take light weight coats for all of you! You will regret it if you don't I did!.

Who are you flying with? They should tell you what the allowance is? For us when it was a package holiday it was 5kg each. When we went by EJ it was one bag but no weight restriction. That helps!

Lily311 Sat 27-Apr-13 14:35:44

Fatima, my advice:

Buy nappies there, plenty of shops, will be the same price as here. Buy sun cream at the airport too. Watch for hand luggage as some airline checks the size.
Sleeping bag: 1 tog with a vest. It will be enough, 2.5 togs is too warm.

We never checked in luggages but do now with O as I can't handle the suitcase with her. Plan what you are going to wear and mix and match. Vests will dry overnight. Take a cardie and tights/ trousers for evening with long sleeve shirts. Don't bother with coat. And take a scarf, will keep you warm. As for baby, a cardie and blanket is a must preferably with hood. Also don't forget sunglasses, o already wears hers. Don't forget that 20 degrees with su n will feel warm during the day but cool in the evening.

Thanks Lily I was just going to buy nappies there but MIL bought loads of nappies on offer so we've got a cupboard full confused
Saw some baby sunglasses in boots so I might get them this week.

I've just sorted my clothes out for going, my bikinis don't fit <wail> Bloody humongous baby boobs! I used to have to buy bigger sized tops and tie the back to fit my boobs in but even the collection of size 14 tops I have upstairs are too small. I might squash in to two of them if I feed beforehand.
Had myself fitted for a new nursing bra at Bravissimo on Thurs and i'm 30GG so i've gone down a back size since having M and gone up a fair few cup sizes. Just looked how much a bikini from there costs and it's over £50!! shock

I think i'll just have to wear vest tops and then my tankini for swimming

MsJupiterJones Sat 27-Apr-13 15:17:44

Re. baby sunglasses, we got some Baby Banz as a free gift and I dug them out last week as L was squinting in the sun. Turns out they send him right off to sleep after a bit of initial squawking so maybe something to try for the non-nappers too.

Impressed with the dieting efforts, I need to get my massive arse in gear.

TheDetective Sat 27-Apr-13 15:19:42

I was going to suggest a tankini for swimming!

I wore a loose short dress thing over my costume in the day, I forget what they are called now. But you get them in the holiday clothes sections!

I tried to get O to self settle for his nap. It almost worked. But I gave in after 15 minutes and he went quickly once I picked him up.

He used to do it. But not since being in the cot. Boooo!

MsJupiterJones Sat 27-Apr-13 15:21:45

Oh and Fatima my top tip for travelling is spread things out between your luggage. We had all L's stuff in one case and our stuff in another. Guess what? Only one case arrived and it did not contain baby clothes. Fortunately we were only in Dublin and the airline sent it on the next flight so we had it a few hours later but next time I will be making sure there is a better spread!

TheDetective Sat 27-Apr-13 15:28:19

O drained his 8oz bottle this afternoon and when it was gone, he grabbed it off me, and shoved it back in his mouth looking for more.

He didn't cry when I took it back off him, but clearly he wanted some more. I really don't want to have to make 9oz bottles because of the Gaviscon. Damn it!

I'm really surprised at how he is guzzling the bottles now he is weaning. Given his indifference to it since 10 weeks, it is like he is able to enjoy feeding finally again.

He's taking 36-40oz plus 2x70ml purees a day. This is the child who would live happily with 20oz a day just a week ago. hmm

He is now in much more of a routine too, since solids started he has improved in the night, so his first bottle of the day is between 6-7, and then 10-10.30, 1.30-2, 5-5.30, and bedtime one at 7.30. I'm guessing as he starts taking more food he will eventually drop the 10 oclock one, and bring the 1.30 forward to nearer lunch. Does that sound about right?

Have given him his food before a bottle. So this morning was at 10, and I'll give him some more if he wants it at 5 before his next bottle. I tried giving it after but he wasn't interested. He finishes a bottle pretty much when I give food then milk, so will keep doing that for now.

TheDetective Sat 27-Apr-13 15:30:42

Ah see my tip is this: take in your hand luggage anything you can not buy while away and would ruin your holiday without. For me it was my contact lenses, straighteners, and my most flattering costume! I would take one outfit each in hand luggage, so you at least have a change of clothes should a bag go missing!

I like to be overprepared! grin

MsJupiterJones Sat 27-Apr-13 15:37:45

Det the problem was we did just that: all the baby stuff bar liquids was in the hand luggage. Unfortunately the plane was overcrowded and they took our bag to put in the hold. Or rather, leave at the gate. confused

Oh God JJ my worst nightmare. I normally take an outfit each in hand luggage but don't know how much space i'll have with nappies etc.

Definitely taking a spare top for me. M has turned into a vom-aholic at the moment.
Can't remember if I said but we went to Leeds on the train shopping with my mum on thursday, first thing we did was go for a coffee so I could feed M. She had a feed then decided to be nosey, pulling muslin off and showing the world my boob. Winded her and she did the biggest vom ever, all over my jeans! The was a big patch on both thighs and when I looked a pile on the floor too, it looked like twice the amount she'd have managed to eat in the time she was feeding. I thought I was going to have to go buy new jeans but I just put up with it and luckily it dried fine.
Then yesterday she fed, winded her with a muslin to catch any sick. What does she do but turn her head sideway and vom. It was all over my leg again, not a drop on her. And we have a leather sofa so it pooled and ran round underneath my leg envy

Detective I thought about taking my GHDs in my hand luggage, but I might take my old cheapo straighteners instead, although they're not as good

Rant alert biscuit

Just been to make some food and the fridge is full of veg and stuff. We did a bit shop on Monday, I suggested meal planning DH said no we'll do a big shop. Ended up having tea at my mums tuesday, he went to his mums on thursday and last night we had takeaway at my sister. He's at cricket today and tomorrow so no meal then. Monday night we're swimming til 7 so probably won't have time for a big meal, then cricket tuesday and he's said we'll go to his mums thursday even though I want to do last minute packing etc
So when the frick are we going to eat all this fresh stuff?! Might have to do some slow cooker recipes or take some to my sisters and cook them a meal tomorrow. Bloody cricket!!

Oh and while we're on food. On Monday he insisted on getting some bagels that we're on offer. Two packets - one cinnamon and rain, one tiger bread. Weds we went to the local shop for milk and he said "shall I get some bread". I said "no, they bagels you wanted need eating first.
He had soup yesterday, just looked there's a loaf of bread in the kitchen that he bought to go with it. The bagels are still untouched angry
So out of 8 bagels he wanted to buy, there's 5 still in the bread bin, I've eaten 3 and he's had none.
Does he think i've got endless money to buy bagels just to go sodding mouldy

And to make it worse, i've just cut my thumb on the bread knife cutting a fucking bagels grin

ValiumQueen Sat 27-Apr-13 16:17:14

fatima I swear my DH goes looking for stuff that is already out of date, but not reduced. The number of times I have thrown stuff in the freezer or bin as soon as he gets in. Two boxes of frubes to be used that day, for example. Can you freeze anything? Or make soup and freeze?

YellowWellies Sat 27-Apr-13 16:19:38

Det next time I go on holiday I'm kidnapping you to pack for me. <<Attempts to lure Detective with raincoat full of milky bars>>

Good luck for the diet - I'm not sure if the thread is still going. I'm losing 2lb a week dairy free but not really dieting (actually under instruction to up my fat intake from mayo, avocado and meat now I can't have fun foods) so it wasn't entirely appropriate.

One thing I would advise from shifting a quarter of my bodyweight a few years ago - stop focussing on treat foods and foods you can't have as that can create a scarcity mentality (which is where I am re dairy ATM and its a massive trap re weight loss or quitting smoking).

Focus instead on the new foods you're enjoying and achieving your goals. We used to chart weekly weight loss on the kitchen blackboard.

Also chocolate and crisps and sugary drinks are addictive - rather than keeping them as daily treats (and thus keeping your body hooked) try and see if you can go cold turkey until the weekends - you'll feel the difference. Eating chocolate and crisps every day just doesn't fit with being slim. Admittedly at the mo I'd trade a limb for them wink

Shit night, but mildly less shit 9-1, 2-5, 5.30 - 7.30. DH god love him is letting me have both sleep ins this weekend. Its clearly not food now as DS's been off solids since Monday. He's a bit sniffly, there is teething going on and boy is he windy- but I think it must also be developmental - he's changed so much in the last couple of weeks. Dietician also thinks he might need domperidone to cope with solids. Sigh it'll pass eh?......

TheDetective Sat 27-Apr-13 18:08:15

YW I'm working on weaning myself down off them. I don't think I would stick to it cold turkey! I'd just cave completely.

When I last lost weight, it was reducing the amount I ate that worked. So I could still eat the things I liked. I am eating double the amount I was back then, easily double. Both in meal servings, and snacking.

I need to start off slowly and work up to it!

I feel better already, but I am still eating a massive amount hmm. Work still to be done there...! Least it is relatively good stuff going in.

TheDetective Sat 27-Apr-13 18:09:13

JJ I'd of gone nuts if they did that!! And said well if you want to have a screaming baby the whole flight, go ahead! Otherwise, I'll be taking my bag on!

ValiumQueen Sat 27-Apr-13 18:14:55

detective when I do Slimming World, I use the syns to jazz up the free foods, like in a sauce, or for extra cheese or bread. It is easy to want to spend all syns on chocolate, but I find I do better if I cut it out completely. One small bit is never enough.

AIBU? The Vegan is still a Vegan and I am really upset about it. I feel like a single mother with a lodger. No more family meals, no more eating together, shopping is really hard, I have no enthusiasm to cook anything just for me, so am eating bland kids meals. The kids do not live on fish fingers or chicken nuggets, but they do not eat curry or chilli, and I enjoy cooking for my husband and eating with him. He was telling me last night why he is doing this, and I felt sick with some of the things he was telling me, but I need food to be an easy thing in this house. Life is fucking complicated enough as it is. He cannot even use the fucking soap or washing liquid apparently. I told him he has no choice! He says he will not throw away his shoes and buy plastic. His feet stink as it is, and he would be going barefoot as we do not have the money. I feel I do not know him any more. I have said I could cope with him going veggie, in fact I would willingly join him. I would also happily raise the kids veggie, but they would have the choice once they are old enough. I would also have the odd bacon sarnie if I wanted to.

TheDetective Sat 27-Apr-13 18:37:19

VQ Just tell him he's having a midlife crisis? Expensive, but cheaper than a fucking sports car?!! I feel your pain. I stopped being veggie for the good of my family, because I was costing us more money, and ex and DS1 wanted meat. I still eat a very limited amount, but enough that we can cook meals together. I'm happy with chicken, and they are happy using veggie mince.

With the syns, I feel I'd rather eat free foods for meals and save them for little treats. I ate my milky car before, and ate it slowly, savouring the taste. I found I was satisfied when it finished. I don't think I've savoured the taste of anything for years! It made me appreciate it grin.

Now I am looking forward to my garlic mushroom tagliatelle for dinner.

If O lets me. Fucking hell, this afternoon he has been whingy and clingy. I plonked him in the jumperoo and went in the kitchen to do something. While I was out the room he was fine. Soon as I am back in it? WHIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIINGE.

Siiiiiiiiiiigh.

TheDetective Sat 27-Apr-13 18:44:31

Fucking knobber. Worked out what was wrong with him.

He's got an ikea bib on after his last bottle. It has rubbed his neck and it is bright red, looks very sore. angry

Stupid me, and stupid bib. He's okay now it is off.

MsJupiterJones Sat 27-Apr-13 18:55:57

Det - yeah it all happened fast, delayed flight, thought we were going to be called to board first but ended up in a scrum (not even Ryanair!), if I'd thought for a sec I'd have said no, take someone else's bag & make room for my baby! We did have changing bag so few nappies & wipes. L screamed all the way anyway so it was a stressful journey and I just knew when we arrived that the bag hadn't. Ah well. Lesson learned: return journey we spread our packing, sat like hawks by the gate, Calpoled L, and of course everything went perfectly smoothly!

VQ you are not being unreasonable AT ALL. Veggie is a good compromise but it's kind of beside the point, he is part of a family, not operating alone. You talk about these things reasonably, work out how to make it work without disruption. What sort of message does it give to your kids if he shows no respect for you?

Clarella Sat 27-Apr-13 19:29:30

yanbu VQ!!!!! I'd be going potty! it's a self centered teenage effort imo when he could be doing so much more if he wanted to be radical. veggi I get but vegan - for a start we need bees to pollinate crops. the whole of society would crumble if it weren't for the honey industry. if I was going to make a change I'd try and get local food etc (pricey but possible) probably eat a lot less meat BUT make a point of eating local veal as the millions of wasted male calves could generate struggling farmers with extra income. the dairy industry is there to stay so may as well make it a little more ethical. <climbs off soap box> blush
I bet he doesn't last. I do feel though on a serious note he's not seeing the impact on you struggling with the children and your lo's reflux etc. I can see that lack of support could really drag you down .

went swimming. took nipple cream. left nipple cream. phoned up to describe to spotty teen about left nipple cream. spotted nipple cream spinning in washing machine with towels blush

reflux people - does incessant dribble make it worse? just tried to put lo down after big feed, he'd burped but is very sleepy. he's been quite fussy if lying down today and very hiccupy. after a couple of mins down he started crying, completely rigid etc. wouldn't settle in my arms, or in our bed but is sparko on my pillow. not sure what to do. confused

Clarella Sat 27-Apr-13 19:30:59

there's been a bit of being sick with clear liquid today too.

ChasingDaisy Sat 27-Apr-13 19:33:57

Gosh, puree making is a faff isnt it?! Has kept me occupied all day. Time to settle down with a cuppa and catch up with Fred...

YellowWellies Sat 27-Apr-13 19:47:10

Clarella not sure but if dribble is teething related then yes, as teething makes reflux worse as it makes the stomach more acidic. Marvellous envy . I think its possibly a factor with shit nights here of late.

YellowWellies Sat 27-Apr-13 19:55:53

Anyone else feel like Russian roulette when putting their wee one down for the night after a run of shit nights? I've had a glass of granache with my name on it for nearly a week but daren't touch it as I can't be sure I won't be feeding him soon after confused angry

VQ YANBU DH has just cooked kedgeree for tea (made with Arbroath smokies nom nom) and it made me think that if he'd gone vegan (hell will freeze over before he gives up seafood) it would suck that he couldn't cook a family meal of my favourite dishes. I think it creates a division in the family when you can't cook and eat together - sorry if that sounds overly dramatic! You know what I mean....

Det good call on the portion sizes, that and too much bread and crisps, choc, cakes and puddings generally have always been my downfall.

PetiteRaleuse Sat 27-Apr-13 20:00:45

VQ YANBU and this sounds like a mid life crisis. You should bollock him or get one of his friends to talk some sense into him. There are great vegan diets but I'd be unsure about imposing them on kids. Besides, now is not the time, life is stressful enough.

Passmethecrisps Sat 27-Apr-13 20:00:50

clarella the dribble can be acid actually. Dribbles can indicate excess acid.

I used to be a champion weight watcher. I loved it actually. I need to rechannel that because I am sick of looking at myself. I made WW a way of life and did it without actually counting points for years and years. My portions were smaller, I would leave the bun of burgers, I simply wouldn't have dreamt of eating a chocolate bar. I feel furious at myself that I have actually got into the habit of buying chocolate bars as I neither want or need them.

VQ honestly? Honestly? I would be shitting angry with him. He is not a 15 year old with no responsibility to anyone else but a grown man with children and a wife! I understand that the meat production industry can be vile but he worked in an abattoir some years ago so why the sudden crisis of conscience now? There are other, much more valuable thing he could do which would not impact on his family quite so much. At the absolute least my compromise for him would be that he must cook 50% of the family meals every week. This includes providing lunches for the girls if necessary. He cannot simply act with impunity - he is 50% of a team so he must act it.

StuntNun Sat 27-Apr-13 20:05:24

Won't J take a bottle of EBM YW? I had half a bottle a little wine on Wednesday and my J woke unexpectedly for a feed so DH had to give him a bottle while I went to bed. So worth it!

Other bf-ers does your LO wriggle while you're feeding? I usually feed J lying down and right now he's kicking his legs, pushing himself up the bed and flailing around with his free arm.

ChasingDaisy Sat 27-Apr-13 20:12:28

Think I have managed to catch up, but have of course now forgotten everything I wanted to say.

Ok, Erm...

VQ everyone has already said what I was thinking much more eloquently than I ever could. But yes, sounds like a midlife crisis.

Pig I don't think I ever successfully managed to give my cats tablets. They just know that you have put something in their food, even if they don't see you do it. My cat used to lick around the crushed up tablets hmm

Detective I love the descriptions of your O. He sounds like such a character.

fruit I feel the same way you do, I am not career minded in the slightest. I have realised since having O that my vocation is actually to be a mummy. Cheesy but true. I would be a SAHM if I could but financially I will need to work a few days a week.

Not a terrible last night, worse than some of yours but better than others so I won't complain.

O has been completely wonderful lately. He has changed so much in the past few weeks. It is like he is suddenly seeing the world differently and interacts with it more. This has also led to more clinginess and whinging at times but most of the time he is an absolute joy. You can really see his personality coming through. He finds the most random things funny and gets very demanding about food. I think he is going to be an absolute livewire. Can see myself having my hands full with him.

TheDetective Sat 27-Apr-13 20:13:41

Totally russian roulette YW! Every nap time feels like it too! grin

DP is struggling haha! He's come home and looks like a small gust of wind would knock him over.

Oh dear! DP's eating habits are waaaaaaaaaaay worse than mine, so it is going to hit him hard. He thought nothing of making a bacon butty once with a whole pack of streaky bacon on. Plus sauce etc. Urghhhhh.

I'm so glad O is in bed now. This afternoon has been hard going.

Confession time! In order to do any housework only the urgent shit mind! I put the hoover on. O loves to sit in the highchair and listen to it. I can get half an hours jobs done on a good day grin.

What other things do you resort to just to eat/shit/clean/shower/whatever?!

Clarella was the watery vomit before or after swimming? grin

ValiumQueen Sat 27-Apr-13 20:14:53

clarella J drools excessively when his reflux is playing up, and when he is settled, he drools much less. No sign of teeth yet here.

I did tell DH he was having a midlife crisis, and he said it was cheaper than a motorbike. I get the ethical thing, but I do not have the time or the finances to be ethical about everything that is wrong in this world. I have enough on my plate as it is with caring for my three. You are not being over-dramatic YW It is a very emotional thing. Usually we sit down, with Jacob too, and say grace before eating as a family. Now it is me and the kids eating in the lounge (at their play table) as I cannot bear to sit at the table with just us. My birthday cake - nobody sang happy birthday as it was just me and the kids. I know I am 44 but that fucking hurt. I said to him that it is like him saying he is changing religion. He has a separate cupboard, separate shelf in the fridge, twice as many fucking pots to wash. It is bound to be more expensive. I do not have a right to tell him what he can and cannot eat, but it has come out of nowhere. Sorry, but I am really upset about this, and writing it down here helps sad

J has had two doses of Ranitadine now, and seems fine on it. Possibly a bit more windy, but he is the king of wind anyway. The cream is doing wonders for his skin too. We all went to the park today and there was glass everywhere. I picked up loads, but was really worried about letting the girls run around. Thankfully no injuries, and no punctures.

ValiumQueen Sat 27-Apr-13 20:22:55

stunt when feeding J boob or regular formula he would make like an epileptic octopus. Now he is on the right formula, and appropriately medicated for the reflux, he is as calm as a very calm thing. If he has a bit of wind he hits the bottle with his fist and I burp him, then he resumes as calm as before. So, is it wind or tummy pains perhaps?

Thank you for the feedback about DH. I was wondering if I had a bit of PND going on, and over-reacting.

TheDetective Sat 27-Apr-13 20:25:05

I'd never put 2+2 together about the drool. But now it is mentioned - duuuuh! Yes, O drools more when his reflux is worse!

PetiteRaleuse Sat 27-Apr-13 20:27:30

Damn. Have found a tick embedded in my cat's neck. I did the sodding treatment just last week. Sodding pets. Never again once this lot have gone to the happy farm for cats and dogs.

PetiteRaleuse Sat 27-Apr-13 20:30:13

Not surprised you are upset VQ I'd be fucking furious. But it has only been a couple of weeks. Maybe he'll snap out of it.

In the meantime his behaviour is not helping you. I don't know what to advise but have some flowers and I will sing happy birthday to you with DD1 in June. Loudly and out of tune. In public. And Detective will do too. Won't you Detective?

ValiumQueen Sat 27-Apr-13 20:36:21

Thank you pr grin

NEWS FLASH normal carnivorous piggery has returned to Valium Palace. We have had a good talk, and he popped out for a bit of air. He is frightened for his health, and is panicking. We have agreed to look at our family diet and see how we can introduce healthier things gradually. He is very sorry for his behaviour. Thank fuck!

TheDetective Sat 27-Apr-13 20:39:51

Always. You can count on me to make a tit of myself in public grin.

THANK FUCK VQ!!!

We are doing the family diet thing too. DS1 hates me.

TheDetective Sat 27-Apr-13 20:41:58

Can you do something like what we do?

We use quorn well asdas cheaper own brand instead of mince, and chicken for our meals. Vege mince is healthier, and chicken is fine depending how you cook it obviously!

Works well for us!

MissMummy1 Sat 27-Apr-13 20:43:21

VQ I would be beyond raging. In fact, that is just the sort of stupid stunt my idiotic manchild would pull. angry Can you compromise at all? After the horsemeat scandal and months of being pissed off with overpriced crap supermarket meat we now buy 99% of our meat from the local farmshop. The farm the animals are raised on is a stone's throw away and the farmer himself sells us the meat. DP dives or fishes for most of our seafood too. By buying all of our domestic items from asda/aldi and our meat this way, our weekly food shop is actually marginally cheaper. Or it would be if I wasn't drawn to the delish cheese counter and homemade fudge stalls every time we go . Would he change his outlook if he knew where his meat was coming from?

If you were to listen to my MIL, I am DP's midlife crisis... blush

MissMummy1 Sat 27-Apr-13 20:44:17

x post. Glad he has got his act together. smile

YellowWellies Sat 27-Apr-13 20:44:42

Stunt sadly he won't take a bottle. He wants nothing to do with it sad He used to until we ditched bottles during reflux hell in December. We've got to get him used to nutramigen over the next month or so so I can wean him at one (he's unlikely to take it at one otherwise) and the dietician has recommended his sippy cup. I must express next week (when I find which box the pump is in) and test out the cup.

As for squirming / wiggling - same here as at Valium Towers - only when his reflux is bad. Otherwise, piglet that he is, he's just intent on draining the boob, chatting to it and cuddling it when he eats.

He had four really foul smelling poos today (only one of which was a poonami - which was Daddies turn he he) is that anything to worry about.

In other news I've found my herbs and spices and unpacked them in alphabetical order onto the world's biggest spice rack (eBay tactic!). I am a happy bunny.

YellowWellies Sat 27-Apr-13 20:48:17

tastic not tactic fecking autocorrect.

Great news VQ here's to happy, healthy family meals together smile smile

Was just about to come on and fume on your behalf VQ but I see you have talked. Hopefully he has come to his senses. I wouldnt be able to cope with that at all.

S smiles, laughs, lights up when she sees one of us etc, but I dont think I can see her personality. With DD1 I saw it from day one.

I love S. It bubbles in me I love her so much. But theres something missing sad

MissMummy1 Sat 27-Apr-13 20:49:40

Oh oh oh I meant to say! Pacapod have the best customer service I think I have ever experienced. I bought a pacapod of eBay. It is brand new but I got it v cheao because the zip on the feeder pod was torn. I emailed them asking where I could buy a replacement (after being quoted £20 to have it repaired locally) and they have sent me a brand new one free of charge! It arrived 2 days after I first emailed them!! Well chuffed grin

The eBay bastards who lost my first tablet case then sent me the wrong one on the other hand....

MissMummy1 Sat 27-Apr-13 20:50:24

sp off

ValiumQueen Sat 27-Apr-13 21:00:33

detective we will follow a similar line to SW, and also your approach with meat. We are going to discuss it further, but I feel a lot happier, as does he.

wanna it took a while for DD2s personality to shine through too, not sure why. I do not think there is anything wrong though, just give it time and it will happen, and it will be just as wonderful x

MsJupiterJones Sat 27-Apr-13 21:01:13

That's great VQ. Delighted he has come to his senses and decided to engage with you rather than making arbitrary decisions. Give the man a bacon sandwich.

PetiteRaleuse Sat 27-Apr-13 21:06:36

Yay smile smile smile

Night all

ValiumQueen Sat 27-Apr-13 21:07:20

JJ we are sharing a pepperoni pizza grin

Clarella Sat 27-Apr-13 21:07:22

woohoo vq! did he become vegan as he's worried for health or he's now worried for health after being vegan? either way it's not a bad thing but eating healthily can be so much simpler than vegan.

bollocks it's sounding like we're refluxy again. he's woken 3 times since 7:15 but gone to sleep instantly on a pillow. doesn't want a feed. I've been getting the odd bf refusal but assumed he's not interested. will have a chat with the doc on Monday. it's confusing as the first time I went questioning reflux the doc wanted the urine sample which turned out to be a problem but it was still the gavisgon that did the most good initially. it's just getting it into him. just not sure if ranitadine or omezeprol. I don't want ti give anything really it's just becoming ridiculous - trimethoprim, nystatin been giving a bit of gripe water to see if helps and I think I'm gonna have to try gavisgon over night. fucking syringes everywhere angrysad angry sad angry

thing is wouldn't he be screaming all day with reflux?

Clarella Sat 27-Apr-13 21:11:57

hmmm was about to say yes to the constant kicking and squirming but thought just excited??? his little refluxy friend on ranitadine was doing it the other day too confused

Clarella Sat 27-Apr-13 21:13:35

yw I've been thinking of a sippy cup - which one have you gone for.

crap do I need to do the whole no dairy thing again? really got me down last time sad

daisychain76 Sat 27-Apr-13 21:33:47

<staggers onto tthread looking somewhat dishevelled and wild eyed >

Have missed about 2 threads duue to work and bridesmaid duties. Haven‘t. caught up ~ too tired. H has just had his 2 worst nights sleep ever and he has never slept through or gone longer than 3 hours anyway. So, tonight he has has calpol and bonjela, had “safe“ stuff for tea (sweet potato, cucumber and pear) and has just gone down. Honestly think l will have to take time off work if l don‘t get a better couple of nights.

Hope things are goodfor everyone. Going to risk sneaking out of the room to make a coffee now ...

Brockle Sat 27-Apr-13 21:49:00

evening, thought I would pop my head in to say hello.

yw Y won't take bottles or a soppy cup so we are giving the doidy cup a go. a good bit does end up on his clothes/bib but he is definitely getting the hang of it. I have 2 months to train him before I go back to work.

really glad you got it sorted vq. could you buy DH a veggie cook book and get him into cooking diff meals? I find a menu revamp does us all good. I did a veggie chilli last week with kidney beans and mixed beans for the adults and mixed beans and baked beans for the kids and it was lovely. ignore if I am preaching to the converted.

if I need to do the washing up I pop Y in his tigger door bouncer detective and if I am doing other stuff I usually sit Y under his playgym with my feeding pillow around him for support. he loves that.

saw a friend from work today who bought me smellies and a candy bouquet because I left work early and so I didn't get a leaving present. so lovely smile

Brockle Sat 27-Apr-13 21:50:20

sippy not soppy duh!

Passmethecrisps Sat 27-Apr-13 21:50:39

Cripes a lot happens on this thread.

VQ thank fuck for that. I was about to get into the crispmobile and kick the arse of him.

clarella reflux is not simple sadly. P had one day of 24 hour screaming. Other than that she came and went. Now she is medicated she has very, very occasional acid attacks. Fussy feeding, clingy, gargling, hiccuping and so on are signs as well as bubbly drool. Occassionally I can actually see it pool in P's throat when she is lying down. She gets a but whingy but not screaming and when I lift her up she pulls a wincy face when it comes into her mouth. Maybe look for that.

Passmethecrisps Sat 27-Apr-13 21:55:20

Oh and detective why do you think you are being bad for getting on with things? The way I see it is that everything is a learning experience at this stage so watching me Hoover is interesting for P. I use the Jumperoo if I am going to be a while but also just leave her lying on the floor with captain calamari and friends - she can now be there some time just rolling around and having fun alone. Entertaining yourself is a skill! Don't feel bad about it. I also sometimes take P into the bathroom with me in the bouncy chair when I shower. The steam is great for her nasal passages and she seems to find the whole thing very interesting

PurplePidjin Sat 27-Apr-13 21:58:02

Glad he came to his senses, VQ!

R squirms during the day, but i assume he's just distracted. If we're home in the middle of the day i feed him in his room with the curtains closed, sleeping bag and Ewan on. Once he's calm he gets on with it.

Very proud of my gorgeous boy. Went to a friend of dp's for a party. Got there at 4:30, planned to stay till he got hysterical with tiredness, probably around 6. We left at 8 after pass the baby, 2 feeds and a 5 minute nap on my shoulder. Asleep as soon as the car started, stayed asleep through buying Chinese, being brought in in the car seat, eating of Chinese, only woke up when dp started undressing him for bed! Now doing the make-sure-he's-under cuddle in front of a silly film on 5usa grin

I feel like a real proper grown up human being again shockwinewink

Passmethecrisps Sat 27-Apr-13 21:58:09

Sorry - me again!

Did anyone bosh pikz with the pilchards earlier? All the 'I am a failure' stuff? Oh meh to that lady. One bad day does not a failure make. Some days I swear P has been learning every single way to push my sodding buttons. She has been doing this thing of pulling her dummy out just to tell about how tired she is! Wah!! Consider yourself fishy.

Passmethecrisps Sat 27-Apr-13 21:59:27

Love it PP! Few deserve it more!

MsJupiterJones Sat 27-Apr-13 22:06:38

VQ grin

Clarella we use the TT free flow sippy cup. Had a MAM vari-flow one with a removable valve but the water just came out too fast. TT works well for us. L likes to grab it but hasn't got the hang of lifting it yet. Have a doidy cup too but haven't braved it!

Has anyone linked to this yet on baby sleep?

Clarella Sat 27-Apr-13 22:10:48

aw brilliant pidj!

there's definitely distractible leg kicking but it's usually associated with grins too. and solved by feeding in the dark in the bedroom! and a bf cape - wow that was a revelation the other day!! friend had one (I'd poo pooed them thinking only for privacy but oh my goodness they work!)

last night he was feeding quietly and calmly after the initial leg kicking subsided and it frantically started again with squeals. will chat to doc.

{{hugs}} daisy that sounds very tough.biscuit wine thanks

Clarella Sat 27-Apr-13 22:12:20

thanks Mrs j, was thinking of that one.

yes!! I llove that piece!!! soooooo true!! xx

ValiumQueen Sat 27-Apr-13 22:18:44

Yes! pikz fish slapping! Sorry, forgot. Oops! Well remembered pass

PurplePidjin Sat 27-Apr-13 22:22:17

PS last night's restlessness turned into unsupported sitting today grin

Kyzordz Sat 27-Apr-13 22:30:24

Evening all, I have been reading but also v. Busy with mum/baby/Eric/kids. pikz you do need a good fish slapping, and I am glad mrvq came to his senses! No holiday advice for whoever asked for it (sorry can't remember) but I do hope you enjoy your holiday smile and det sounds like o is thriving now he's on solids, bless him! I may feed e solids before milk if it doesn't work feeding them after. All I know is he needs to not be tired! I still do e a df, or else he'd be on 4 bottles and I don't think it's enough (32oz total) but that'll be the first thing to go (hopefully) when he's actually eating!

Hope everyone has a good night smile

Kyzordz Sat 27-Apr-13 22:31:20

Oh and nice to hear from you daisy smile sorry about the shitty nights sad

kirrinIsland Sat 27-Apr-13 22:51:23

Phew VQ Glad he came to his senses smile

kyz you must be manically busy - how's it going?

Sounds like a good night pidj - nice to feel human again. And congrats on the sitting smile

N often fusses and fidgets when feeding, esp when we're out. I've put it down partially to preferring the bottle and partly to being very nosy. I scarf to cover her with definitely helps with the latter smile

Kyzordz Sat 27-Apr-13 22:58:52

I am kirrin I must admit I'm feeling it! Baby is still nameless, so beautiful bless her, and the least of my worries! I ordered takeaway today, couldn't face cooking on such a busy day! I'm glad I'm here to help though smile also glad the kids are back at school today! 10yo sis is a gooey mess around both babies, and 13yo bro with SN asks every question under the sun that Would be considered utterly rediculous! I am fed up of saying 'don't be so silly Leon'. For example, I answered that no, she won't die, yes she breathes air, no, you can't fry eggs on her just because she has ginger hair, no, she doesn't have any mouse in her, she is small because she's. Baby, no she is not one of mums kidneys, no she isn't fluent in German and yes she would probably cry if you gave her a freezing cold bath hmm

Oh, and no, she cannot work the tv remote for you (he cannot read The tv guide, and wondered if she is considered responsible enough to stay with him when he watches tv, he cannot be left alone you see).

See, I'm having barrels of fun!!! :p Sleep time now though smile yaaaay!

Kyzordz Sat 27-Apr-13 22:59:35

Fuck. Not today, tomorrow. And not tomorrow either because it's Sunday. Fuck.

Evilwater Sat 27-Apr-13 23:05:09

Hello all, sorry for not posting back.
I tryed to talk to P, about that night, but he's ignored it by and by. I told him he frightened me. I talked to my friend who told me, that it shocked him too and to try and talk to him in a few days, As he needs to work this out himself.

I've had a meh week, with everyone else having a shitty time. So I'm hoping the sun will brighten up everyone.

n has caught a bug and has a very high pitched cry, due to his sore throat. He is also not eating any food, but just wants milk.
Baby evil is ignoring all the rules! He is almost running with my help, but is struggling with rolling over.
Evil

YellowWellies Sat 27-Apr-13 23:18:50

Clarella I'm going to try the TT first cup. Night all! Can we have the thermonuclear sleepy dust launcher tonight please? smile

Izzybuzzybuzzybees Sat 27-Apr-13 23:32:59

I like the sound of that dust launcher yw. We have had night after night of hell!!

Heading upstairs now for transfer and bed for me too hopefully. I NEED him to sleep better. I could cope with night wakenings if he would go down before 11 fucking PM!!!

TheDetective Sat 27-Apr-13 23:43:53

<Pow Pow Pow Pow Pow Pow Pow Pow Pow Pow>

Kerching!

That should do it.

Sleep, fuckers, sleep...

TheDetective Sat 27-Apr-13 23:46:08

Can someone come and play me at WWF! It's my morning off tomorrow! grin

I'm bored. Cooking stuff so we have things to grab when O is being a refluxy koala bugger!

I have a million other things I should be doing. But I just want to pretend to use my brain for a bit!

Daisy that was one of my hugest worries about a shorter mat leave. You have my complete sympathy. It fucking sucks. I know. I hope H is fast afuckingsleep smile

TheDetective Sat 27-Apr-13 23:46:26

TheDetectiveStalksYou. If anyone is still up grin.

PurplePidjin Sun 28-Apr-13 00:07:04

Am upbut wwf is on my phone. I play under my real name if you want to start

Clarella Sun 28-Apr-13 01:13:58

fuck fuck fuck. baby has slept soundly on pillow, waking for feed 4 hours after bedtime feed. been asleep soundly since 11:30 on pillow. I can't fucking sleep however due to it being a pillow and the sids stuff.

fucking reflux. fuck you ncss. fucking uti and antibiotics and me thinking it's wind from that. we've come full circle. the tt snip has helped but there was still reflux behind it. which is where I started. 7 fucking weeks ago. and 6 weeks before that.

Fab stuff pidj! we had that this week which is why I thought he'd stopped sleeping even more no rolling yet though.

evil your friend could be right. maybe try again in a couple of days. you do need to talk about it though - we call it debriefing at work, it just helps to clarify what happened and why, help mend bridges and also hopefully help to work out what he can do if he feels that way again. I very much hope he doesn't feel like that again though. men do like to fix things (as in a screaming baby) and feel more easily frustrated by not solving the problem than women who have more patience plus empathy. sorry to sound sexist and there's always exceptions to the rule but it's kind of true.

I need an extra shot of sleepy dust up here!

Clarella Sun 28-Apr-13 01:14:47

tell me wtf wwf is again?!

Izzybuzzybuzzybees Sun 28-Apr-13 01:17:43

It's words with friends. Basically scrabble!

J has just woken me up by his tossing and turnon I can hear him grumping on monitor but he's not making enough noise for me to go to him. Annoying!

StuntNun Sun 28-Apr-13 01:20:27

YW can you link to the world's biggest spice rack? Or is it one of a kind? My DS2 wouldn't take a bottle either so he had a sippy cup from very young.

You're a huge help to your mum Kyz and I'm sure she's very appreciative of you bring there to help out. Has she had a section before?

kirrinIsland Sun 28-Apr-13 01:27:11

izzy you are where I was a few weeks ago. I recognise the desperation sad For N it just sort of fell into place. She still wakes pretty frequently but the fact she goes down in her cot at 9ish now has made all the difference to my sanity. Extra sleepy dust for you tonight ......
And clarella and Daisy

kyz I love those questions! but I'm glad I don't have to answer them all day

Right, first feed done. Hopefully I won't see you all in a couple of hours (I mean that in the nicest way possible!)

Izzybuzzybuzzybees Sun 28-Apr-13 01:56:54

Had to feed him. Would have sent DH in but the fucker was still downstairs. J wouldn't settle properly on me even tho he had had a big feed two hours before. To be fair he's had a fucked up day. Fed at 11.20 then didn't want fed and refused a bottle of EBM a few times and then eventually I gave him the bottle to at 9.20pm so 9 hours between feeds!! I don't think DH persevered enough with bottle to be honest and just left him sleeping on car seat when he should have been feeding.

Transfer failed but DH has told me to go to sleep. How kind! He asked how I was and I said pissed off cos he could have settled J as he's off tomorrow and I had ended up having to feed him. He's now on Js room supposedly calming him down and all I can hear is J moaning!!!

GTbaby Sun 28-Apr-13 01:59:53

Busy day today. No catching up. Sry!
Hope all is good with our delightful babies.

Spent some time pureeing spinach, a whole bag made 6 ice cubes! Peas. And lentil carrot combination.

Looking forward to tomorrow as I gota work out how to stew pear (I think it means boil with a little bit of water) and how to cut kiwi n avocado, I'm hoping YouTube will b my assistant in these things.

I also bought some petit folou yoghurt things. So plan is for this week is Yoghurt n Banana for breakfast. Lentils for lunch. Veggies for 6pm dinner.

Oh dear. Look at the time! wine

Clarella Sun 28-Apr-13 02:01:46

argh izzy annoying angry

well stirred a little, picked up, wet burp, he's back down. hmm so that's another 2and half hours on the pillow. I knew this baby isn't fussed about co sleeping.

Izzybuzzybuzzybees Sun 28-Apr-13 02:15:04

He still isn't settling. Normally if I'm in his room I hand hold and he quietens and drifts off. DH is in with him and J is as noisy as anything so I go and say to him that if he isn't calming or settled now he's unlikely too and will need to come in our bed. So are they here?!? Nope. DH has just come asking for a new sleeping bag as J has been sick, not surprised at that as he didn't need fed just wanted fed and wouldn't settle without it for me. How the man can't look for anything that's right in front of him I don't know!!!

Argh!!!!!! I'm insanely pissed off!!! Can't sleep cos J is so noisy and dh is just ignoring me when I've said to bring him thru!!!!!!

Clarella Sun 28-Apr-13 02:27:12

oh yes izzy I've had similar issues with Dh in recent weeks - adamant not to hand hold till lo in a state and its too late!

YellowWellies Sun 28-Apr-13 02:40:16

Hugs to Izzy and Clarella and everyone having a shit night - not great so far here either 8.30-11.30, 12-2 hmmpf.

GT is next weekend LO's first on solids or first time trying any / or all those foods? If so it really is worth slowing down my love. If you introduce all of those at once you're likely to upset his tum and if he has a bad reaction / allergy to any of them you won't be able to tell which. Try introducing a new food every 3 days as the NHS guidance suggests - its slower and more boring but less ball ache if something goes wrong. If you've been weaning for ages and he's had all those foods ignore and tell me to piss off! grin grin grin

Stunt it was made for me by a wonderful eBay seller called dustylionheart. I'm v chuffed with it smile

Dixiebell Sun 28-Apr-13 04:32:06

3rd wake up here. Grr. Last night's one was obviously a once-off. Although kirrin, you do give me hope. Was hoping DH might try a bit of shushing with this one, but he just put the covers over his head. Hmph.

StuntNun Sun 28-Apr-13 04:46:20

Fifth wake up here. I think. Could be more. I'm completely wrecked. Is this the sixth month growth spurt? He's only 23 weeks so it's a bit early.

YellowWellies Sun 28-Apr-13 05:39:47

And 2.30-5.30... this had better be the 6 month growth spurt too.....

Clarella Sun 28-Apr-13 06:11:13

like a muppet I'VE woken lo for a feed!! (kind of dream feed) (massive boobs and worried about kidneys)
pillow resulted in three and half solids hours sleep shock plus I've been trying to get feeds in early as he's been fussy again in the mornings - doh all horribly similar to when we first had issues. I'm thinking it sort of says reflux if he's slept so soundly upright? didn't wake crying either which he usually does.

Clarella Sun 28-Apr-13 06:12:29

<fingers in ears> la la la laaa nooooo such thing as 6 m growth spurt la la la

MadamGazelleIsMyMum Sun 28-Apr-13 06:19:23

Plese tell me there is not a 6 month growth spurt? I am going back to work in 2 weeks which coincides with DS being exactly that age. I don't think I could take more sleep,disruption or DH needing hand holding through what to do every 5 minutes.

Oh, I have woken up in a right grump. Don't know why, yesterday was one of the best days we've had in a very long time. Possibly because DH woke the kids up at 5.45am because he wanted to get up and play Xbox. He had the good grace to take them downstairs though.

Bryzoan Sun 28-Apr-13 06:32:36

Wowsers. G has just slept from 8.30 to 5.45! Rock on baby g!

Vq I am so glad harmony is restored. I was very sad about your cake though.

Happy birthday VQ
Happy birthday VQ
Happy birthday Valium Queeeeee-
Happy birthday VQ flowers

Second ones' personalities... Could that be because we spend ages staring at our first imagining their personalities and really getting to know them from their every twitch? I absolutely adore g but just don't get the time to really study him in the same way I used to with dd1 (who I spent every waking moment staring at, and every sleeping moment with her on my chest - there weren't many of them...).

Pidj - glad you had fun. Sounds great.

Packing today as we're off on holiday tomorrow - yipeeeee! Just for a week, no planes and there is a tumble drier in the cottage I've booked - so packing shouldn't be too bad.

Happy Sunday all - hugs to everyone whose had enough. And good luck evil with your chat with dp.

BigPigLittlePig Sun 28-Apr-13 07:03:17

DAMN YOU NAPPY FAIL.

<goes to catch up with a brew>

fruitpastilles Sun 28-Apr-13 07:15:39

Morning! brew To all those who had bad nights, stunt yours sounds particularly bad!
VQ I'm so glad your dh has come to his senses.

Not too bad a night, we had 2 wake ups, the second of which S decided it was party time and wouldn't go back to sleep so ended up in with us. Dp asked me to move her over at 6 which woke her up so up for the day.
There was me hoping for a birthday lie in, no such luck!

MaMaPo Sun 28-Apr-13 07:17:17

I've had a bad night but its my fault. Feeling quite hungover.

BigPigLittlePig Sun 28-Apr-13 07:28:29

Clarella your LO sounds very similar to F at the moment, and it is, I fear, reflux with us. I had no idea excess drool could be because of acid. Her drool burns my fingers where the skin is dry/sore - despite ranitidine.

Speaking off ranitidine, what dose, per kg, are the other reflux babies on? F has been on 1mg/kg, three times a day. Yesterday she missed lunches dose so I gave her double at bed, and she went 5 hours initially. She's been weighed recently so on the correct dosage, but would it be reasonable to increase her dose to 2mg/kg? Or give her the 1mg/kg in 2 doses like yesterday? It's all so confusing.

Returning to work on current level of sleep scares the shit out of me. Nuff said.

VQ so glad dh saw sense, especially glad he decided to celebrate with pepperoni pizza haha.

Detective really glad O is doing so well on some proper grub.

Bryzoan Sun 28-Apr-13 07:29:38

Happy Birthday Fruit!

StuntNun Sun 28-Apr-13 07:40:12

Happy birthday Fruit!

I'd like to hear more about your spice rack YW, mine are currently in a cardboard box as I have more than would fit into a conventional spice rack.

I have no idea what's going on with J, he keeps waking up and crying in the night. I thought it might be trapped wind or teeth but a dose of Calpol didn't make any difference. Wonder Weeks have 23-26 weeks as a fussy time. confused DH is already right at the end of his rope, I heard quite a few swear words yesterday. At least he's off to Switzerland tomorrow for three nights of unbroken sleep work so he'll get a bit of respite. It doesn't help him that much though as travelling and working away from home is stressful and tiring in its own right.

Kyzordz Sun 28-Apr-13 07:41:03

Morning all, sounds like some horrible nights sad brew to all needing one! and everyone else cos a nice warm drink is just lovely

stunt she had an emergency section with no.5 because she span round last minute and I remember she struggled then. I know this one isn't the same exactly but the hole is the same size, they used the scar from the first one, and I'd rather run around like a blue arsed fly for a few weeks than have it go like the other one did (kept bursting open and getting infected). Was 14 when she had the last one and juggled school and kids then, so hoping I can manage as well now, ESP as dp can help and the kids are much older smile

Good night here, bed at 8, df at 10, wake up for dummy at 4:30, wake up for bottle at 7, back asleep at 7:20 in my bed so no complaints! I do not want to get up and sort the Sunday roast out. Kids like macdonalds right? kidding

I was considering starting solids again for e at 25 weeks but that's this Tuesday and I wonder if it might be a bit too much too soon. Which means I probably shouldn't! Getting there with my very anal with contingency plans etc plan though! I know you have to take baby's lead but figured I should have an idea of what I want to try first and see what happens. I am not stressing though. I might've given him a slice of melon yesterday on a whim because he watched me eat mine, and he gummed it and seemed happy bless him. It felt lovely because neither of us were stressing smile

So peeps, 'Choo all doing today?

issimma Sun 28-Apr-13 07:42:38

wine for the birthday mammas!
brew for the knackered ones.

Dc2 has started sleeping during the night so am slightly less bonkers than before after 3 nights decent-ish sleep. Posting this will jinx it, I'm sure!

Started to give him tastes of food to try. I've held banana, peeled cucumber, cooked baby carrot for him and he's gummed/chomped his way through, growling for more! He has one new fruit/veg each evening, and when he hits 6mo, will give him what we're having. Bought the ikea antilop yesterday in preparation and nearly had breakdown in busy noisy ikea as dd still uses her stokke-esque chair (asda's £30 version). Can't be doing with purées this time round - pfb used all my blending and freezing patience, so ds is straight onto the hard stuff and Ella's kitchen pouches.

Taking them both swimming today. Scared!

Kyzordz Sun 28-Apr-13 07:43:58

You all snuck loads of posts in! Happy birthday fruit

Maybe j is doing some developing then stunt? Hope he goes back to sleeping better soon, and hope your dp feels a bit more refreshed after his break although as you said its just a different kind of tiring really isn't it.

BigPigLittlePig Sun 28-Apr-13 07:54:24

This will totally jinx me but a wonderful thing has occurred.

After being sent back upstairs to play at 6.15, as it was too early to get up, dsd appears to have had a sulk but fallen back asleep - and is still asleep.

F is asleep in her cot for the 1st nap of the day fecking ridiculous hour to have got up

DH is asleep.

SIIIIIIILLLLENCE <trills>

Need a poo but scared pulling chain will wake said slumberers

PetiteRaleuse Sun 28-Apr-13 08:04:03

Morning,

We're having a six month sleep regression. I'm going to move her into her own room next weekend.

Today we are going to the local farm which is having an open day. There are cows, goats, pigs chickens and rabbits. They have a butcher on site too and there wil be a lttle market of other local producers.

ValiumQueen Sun 28-Apr-13 08:31:19

pr butcher on site? Hopefully not slaughtering them as one of the displays. May not go down too well.

Thank you for my birthday song grin and happy birthday fruit

J did 7-7. Woke 4 times, and self settled 4 times. Well done my son.

bp J weighs over 5kg and has 1ml morning and night. Only second day so too soon to see if that works for him. My bottle says if a dose is missed, not to give a double dose next time.

ValiumQueen Sun 28-Apr-13 08:34:26

izzy please be careful of your MH. I think if I was still having bad nights I would be on something by now. It is so strange with your J as he is such a calm cuddly boy. Could you attach him to a treadmill or something to wear him out? I really feel for you x

ValiumQueen Sun 28-Apr-13 08:58:38

Bp just to clarify, J has 30mg a day in two doses. He is on the 150mg in 10ml, so 1ml twice a day is 15mg each dose. He weighs over 20lb.

GTbaby Sun 28-Apr-13 09:24:00

YW piss off. Lol. Only joking. LO start weaning three weeks ago. The yoghurt and lentils are new tho so will space it out. Also kiwi n avocado r new. But just planning on puree n freezing those today to try later on. Can I freeze those?

N deff felt a 6 month growth spurt. Very sleepy baby rather then awake alot. We are bk to normal now though.

Lovely day outside. Hope you all get some sun and fresh air.

PurplePidjin Sun 28-Apr-13 09:39:45

Happy birthday VQ thanks and fruit thanks

StuntNun Sun 28-Apr-13 09:50:36

GT do you need to puree and freeze kiwi and avocado? I would probably mash the avocado with a fork and just give pieces of sliced kiwi. I have a crinkle cutter which would be good for the kiwi as it's so slippery. I'm doing a mixture of purees and blw. On Friday I have J steamed carrot sticks and pureed carrot and baby rice. He definitely preferred the carrot sticks. I think I'll mix the carrot and sweet potato today as carrot wasn't very popular. We start parsnip tomorrow then I have Ella's Kitchen baby porridge to start breakfasts on Thursday. I can't remember who recommended that as having no milk in but thanks whoever it was! Then next Sunday I'm going to try him on pear. Exciting times! I just wish I had a better freezer. And I am infuriated at the Tommee Tippee weaning pots that can't go in the microwave.

Sorry I must have missed your birthday VQ. Happy birthday for last Monday.

Donnadoon Sun 28-Apr-13 09:56:29

Dd went in own room last night at 9pm and at 5am I raced in to check her and she was just stirring ... Way hay I'm so proud of my big girl!

StuntNun Sun 28-Apr-13 10:10:47

Nice one miniDoon.

BigPigLittlePig Sun 28-Apr-13 10:33:56

Haha at 5am doon I was racing downstairs to check on the cat hmm with dd attached to boob

VQ F weighs 6.5kgish (15lbs) and is only on 0.4ml three times a day - it's because she's on such a low dose that I gave her the double dose in the evening. My GP had no experience of prescribing it, so looked it up in the kiddies BNF - which says you can go to higher doses. 2 or even 3mg/kg. I'm guessing if I discuss it with him, I won't get that far. <sighs>

Happy birthday fruit - anything nice planned?

White noise machine is working a dream at getting F into her cot once she's asleep. She's a particular fan of the waves crashing onto a beach. Can't say I blame her.

kirrinIsland Sun 28-Apr-13 11:02:28

Happy birthday fruit thanks

Passmethecrisps Sun 28-Apr-13 11:08:49

I think I posted the dosage details before. I wonder if I saved it? P weighs 13.8Ib and is on 1.2ml 3xdaily of 15mg strength ranitidine. If I think she is struggling I notch it up by .1ml for a couple of doses. That is usually enough to be honest. I did once add 50% more because she was having an awful time but only for 1 day then I reduced it back down.

Passmethecrisps Sun 28-Apr-13 11:13:34

Our GP practice always goes for the highest dose possible - my understanding is that there is no harm in doing this and it keeps her completely symptom free unless she is poorly with something else. BP you are bright and know your shiz - up it as you see fit. Do you need the dosage info?

On noes. P has just done a jumperpoo! DH is on poo duty.

ValiumQueen Sun 28-Apr-13 11:20:17

J is on quite small dose then. Good to know there is some room for manoeuvre.

BigPigLittlePig Sun 28-Apr-13 11:24:47

Thanks pass - I think the GP went for the lowest dose due to lack of experience in prescribing it. If it's safe in higher doses I'm inclined to whack the dose up then - she's dribbling like a pro, smells acidy, hiccuping, coughing, won't lie flat. Need I go on?! Plus I miss my little girls chit-chats.

Will up it by 30% - to 0.8mls twice daily, and see what happens.

Have just had a "makeover", 5 year old stylee confused - not sure what dh will make of the new look lol.

GTbaby Sun 28-Apr-13 12:02:32

Stunt. Once cut how long can I keep kiwi? And avocado. As i dont eat them...So it's not like banana where I give him some n eat the rest.

StuntNun Sun 28-Apr-13 12:09:20

Not sure GT. I would think kiwi would keep for a day in the fridge. If you're giving chip-size pieces of kiwi you'll probably find you need a whole kiwi for one meal as most of it ends up on the floor. I would peel it with a sharp knife then cut it into long strips lengthwise. Not sure about avocado (it's the one thing I really don't like eating), does it go a funny colour after you cut it up?

Passmethecrisps Sun 28-Apr-13 12:10:07

The dosage calculation is as follows:

Usually the maximum dose is 10 mg/kg per day, divided up into 3 doses.

P weighs 6.2 kg
10 mg x 6.2 kg = 62mg per day (maximum)
Dividing this into 3 daily doses makes 20.6 mg per dose
Since Zantac syrup is 15 mg/ 1 mL, 20.6 mg would be 1.3ml per dose

Last prescription of ranitidine I collected the doc had upped it from 1ml to 1.2. She must have checked the last weigh-in. I see that she has left a .1ml headroom which makes sense to me. It would be good if all GP's could look in the medicine book!

Passmethecrisps Sun 28-Apr-13 12:11:22

GT if you leave the stone in the bowl with the mushed avocado it will stop it going brown for a while.

Passmethecrisps Sun 28-Apr-13 12:14:05

Question re kiwi! When pregnant I made a kiwi smoothie - it made my throat itchy. Yes, I peeled it! Is it a likely allergen? I was surprised to see it as a possible first food because of this. I love kiwi fruit though so would be happy for P to nom it. Just wondering.

Sorry to hear so many had shitty nights. We werent too bad last night and DP did one feed.

But he is driving me mad today. Hes working tonight 5-2am. So I got up with S at 8 and did the tidying, some housework, put the dinner on etc. He finally gets up at 11.30. Comes downstairs, moans that I havent washed his tracksuit bottoms (erm do I look like a skivvy?) and sits eating crisps, throwing the packets on the living room floor that I just fucking cleaned.

So now I need to do more cleaning, more washing and his dinner will go to waste because hes no longer hungry. angry

fruitpastilles Sun 28-Apr-13 12:29:27

Thanks for all the birthday wishes smile
Just got back from church and am off out this afternoon to our local, all the family will be coming (apart from dp who is hungover from his work night out last night angry) it'll be overrun with children as my cousins are all bringing their little ones as well. Should be a good afternoon smile

StuntNun Sun 28-Apr-13 12:54:53

Any teacher quichettes I have started a thread in The Staffroom about the possibility of me retraining as a teacher if you wouldn't mind having a nosy and maybe giving me some feedback: www.mumsnet.com/Talk/the_staffroom/1743178-Considering-retraining-as-a-teacher-would-love-some-feedback-straight-from-the-horses-mouth

PetiteRaleuse Sun 28-Apr-13 12:56:21

Happy birthday fruit flowers

No butchering display vq though I was amused when DD saw the chickens and said "c'est bon ca" - it's good. Chicken is her favourite food. Oh well, no point in her being squeamish about where her food comes from.

Didn't buy any meat as the queue was awful, so will have to order a freezer pack and collect. I try to buy meat in bulk from local farms as it ends up being cheaper and it's nice to know where it comes from.

I wouldn't freeze kiwi or avocado - just mash up as and when needed.

TheDetective Sun 28-Apr-13 13:31:44

Fruit Happy birthday!!

BP I double O's dose. I give him 1ml. 3x a day. Been advised from 6 months it is twice a day, so would be 1.5ml twice a day.

He is prescribed 0.5ml. It isn't enough. Infact, I'm not sure 1ml is enough at the minute, as the refluxy days are increasing. Although that could be the carrot wot did it yesterday grin.

We've stopped the carrot, even though he liked it, as he seemed pissed off all yesterday evening and this morning. Gave him parsnip. Usual service seems to have been resumed. He loved the parsnip and fed himself by holding on to my finger and controlling my hand! Funny monkey!

Still, I can cope with grumps in the day, as he continues to have acceptable nights fear of jinxing things.

YW Am desperate for a big spice rack. I have waaaaay too many spices, and so not enough room for them! Will go look at that seller! Ta!

TheDetective Sun 28-Apr-13 13:33:27

shock At 6 month sleep regression. You're fucking kidding!! WAAAAAAAAAAAH! We've only just got the hang of fucking sleeping full stop!

PetiteRaleuse Sun 28-Apr-13 13:52:31

I don't know if it is common Detective but I remember DD1, having slept through from 12 weeks, starting to be difficult sleep wise at 6 months. LO is starting to not want to go to bed until everyone else is in the room. Am going to nip it in the bud by putting her in her own room next weekend. She's gone back to four hourly feeds. I'm letting it haplen for a few days while I kind of take stock and work out an action plan. At least I can be sure that she won't still be in our bed at 2 as she has never slept in our bed <glares at fully potty trained DD1, who rocks for being potty trained but annoys the crap out of me for taking up my sleeping space>

issimma Sun 28-Apr-13 14:21:00

What detective said. Surely ds can't learn to sleep at 5mo and forget again at 6mo. <wails>. He's also in his own room now - main reason for better sleep, I reckon, as he can't smell the all you can eat milk buffet!
stunt am off to check out your thread as I often toy with doing a pgce.
And I'm another who'd just mush or chunk kiwi and avocado.

issimma Sun 28-Apr-13 14:21:25

Oh, a warning. Avocado produces vile nappies...

PetiteRaleuse Sun 28-Apr-13 14:25:50

Banana is pretty gross too. Lots of little black seeds that come out. I swear I had never noticed the seeds until weaning nappies came along.

Oh, and potty training isn't complete overnight of course. But she is Done for awake time. Suddenly got the hang of it the last few days.

Clarella Sun 28-Apr-13 14:29:12

started posting pre ikea visit as dh insisted we got a new pillow if lo is on it tonight and picked up a load of other stuff as usual ......happy birthday fruit!

oh stunt god that is a particularly bad night. the only way I've been coping with that many wakes/constant writhing is cosleeping but it's not helped him. {hugs} have a few suggestions re teaching will post soon.

hugs to all shitty nighters sad

bplp you describe George's current issues to a tea. he's also had a little cough all week too; kept thinking a cold on its way but none appeared. am going to speak to doc and consider if a) it's possible we have another kidney infection which is causing reflux as he's a bit sicky (just projectiled some feed before) or b) we just have occasional reflux which has always been there and the tongue tie didn't help as he swallowed so much air. his latch is a lot better since that so he doesn't swallow much air but maybe we always had the reflux to start with, and if reflux wasn't there the tt might not have been such as issue.

supposed to be having a speed nap....

ChasingDaisy Sun 28-Apr-13 14:48:29

Happy Birthday fruit!

Well done petitepetite for the potty training smile

Detective that's how my O takes his milk. He holds onto my fingers and guides the bottle to his mouth, pulling it away when he wants a break.

Not a bad night last night, he slept 7:15-1:30 and 2-5:30 before up for the day at 7. He is taking a lot less milk per feed at night now which I am taking as a good thing.

O is 5 months today and I have officially started his weaning by offering him some baby rice at lunch. He seemed to get the hang of it, but wasn't too keen on the taste. Don't blame him really. Will try it for another two days before moving to broccoli puree for 3 days as I already know he likes the taste of that.

MsJupiterJones Sun 28-Apr-13 15:06:50

L turned 6 months on Friday and since then has (finally!) stopped waking at night. grin

So no regression here yet for anyone worrying!

TheDetective Sun 28-Apr-13 15:15:07

If he has already had broccoli you can add the baby rice to it now chasing smile He might prefer that?

O often takes his milk like that too lol! Not every time, but in the day, yup!

Thanks for the reassurance JJ <Glares at anyone who suggests otherwise grin >

I just read O Each Peach Pear Plum. It was mine, from when I was little. I know this, because I wrote my name in. Backwards. And added my age. 3. And then at 9 I repeated this. But with my name, forwards.

I sent a picture to my mum. Apparently this upset her! D'oh! Thought it would make her smile!

daisychain76 Sun 28-Apr-13 16:04:50

Happy birthday fruit and VQ. Wow kyz sounds like you are doing an amazing job.

Thanks for the kind words/sleepy dust. Bit better night last night. All a bit hazy, but there was definitely a bit more sleeping-in-own-cot involved.

Gave H Hovis digestive biscuit for the first time today (random!) but he seemed to quite like it.

thedetective I love each peach pear plum. Random question, but are you left handed? My dd writes backwards quite a lot if not corrected (she is 6) but her teachers tell me its because she's left handed. I'm not convinced cos me and ds1 are both left handed too and don't do that!

MadamGazelleIsMyMum Sun 28-Apr-13 16:27:03

I adore Each Peach. Tried to make it my nickname when I joined but it had been taken!

TheDetective Sun 28-Apr-13 16:28:28

I am left handed Daisy!

TheDetective Sun 28-Apr-13 16:29:10

I'm not sure who is enjoying weaning more. O or the dog? hmm

He loves being in his highchair above all else at the minute...!

MissMummy1 Sun 28-Apr-13 16:57:37

There is a strong correlation between left handedness and writing backwards (particulary numbers) amongst the kids I teach/have taught.

DP and I have been using the car for work the past few days. It is well and trully his turn to fill it up. angry We are currently playing car roullette. When I pulled up outside work the computer said it has a range of 3 miles left in the tank. I am 15 miles from home. I'm not getting back, am I? Obviously we would not be playing this childish game of stubborness if we had M in the car.

TheDetective Sun 28-Apr-13 16:58:41

I've done an extra 12 on 0 MM.... grin

PetiteRaleuse Sun 28-Apr-13 17:01:22

Oops. Am preparing the filling for a chicken and leek pie and have massively overdone the mustard. Oh well.

TheDetective Sun 28-Apr-13 17:10:18

I just fed O. But first I put him in his swaddle. He fell asleep (was due a nap anyway) without all the rocking and bloody jiggling. Excellent. Will try that next time...!

Kyzordz Sun 28-Apr-13 17:21:45

Oh pr can I have some? Sounds delicious! And I love mustard so the extra is gooood!

Reading all your weaning stories is making me look forward to it smile

Glad your night was a little better daisy smile

TheDetective Sun 28-Apr-13 17:53:39

Is anyone else refreshing over and over?! grin

Where is everyone today?! Not having lives I hope wink.

Passmethecrisps Sun 28-Apr-13 18:02:06

Hello. DH is out with P. I AM ALONE!

Passmethecrisps Sun 28-Apr-13 18:02:47

Oh. I let P lick my pear earlier. It made her smile.

S seems to sleep a lot.

Today for example, awake at 7.30 until around 10.

30 min nap.

Awake again until 12. Then slept until 3.30. Awake again until 5. Asleep now and probably wont wake until 8. Will get a feed and go back down at 9.

Is this normal? What are everyone elses daytime naps looking like?

Oh hello btw! Sorry, I let my thoughts get away with me sometimes. smile

TheDetective Sun 28-Apr-13 18:19:22

Just got banana puke on my face. hmm

wanna O was up at 7.15 slept 9.30-11.30, slept 1-3, 4.45-6. Woke him at 6 as bed is 7.30 so didn't want him sleeping any later.

Similar then! smile

Banana puke sounds, erm... lovely grin really looking forward to starting weaning. S has properly mastered getting her teething toys into her mouth, it was a bit hit and miss until yesterday. So wont be long now.

To those who were saying their LOs wriggle around while feeding, S is ff but she does this too, mostly when shes tired and wants to lie flat.

TheDetective Sun 28-Apr-13 18:28:25

I stink hmm.

Pass I love that bit of alone time!

DP and I are now off together. Potentially for 3 months.

We have planned to lose weight, spend weekends doing family things, and giving each other time off to do whatever we like for a few hours each week.

I think this week I will check funds and see if I can go for a massage!

<Excited>

BigPigLittlePig Sun 28-Apr-13 18:33:58

Wanna F has 2 naps in the morning, between 30-60 minutes, and a longer one in the afternoon - 2-3 hours. She would probably like a catnap at teatime too, but doesn't get it. That said, she's currently dozing on me - and will wake for 7.30 and a feed, then bed.

We had projectile vom down my cleavage today. Gross. Although I had just been lifting her in the air above my head so it could have been so much worse.

Tried her with some banana today, cue epic gagging session, dh nearly had a heart attack. Think we might leave it for a few days and try again!

Detective I'm hoping that when I get the dosing right for F, she will have as dramatic a transformation as O did. Even with the increase from last night, she has been starting to chatter and coo again, so fingers crossed.

BigPigLittlePig Sun 28-Apr-13 18:35:29

Detective when F is spending a few hours with the childminder, before I go back to work, I WILL be getting a massage provided no more vets bills. My back is fucked due to lazy feeding, and rocking a 1 stone baby to sleep.

MissMummy1 Sun 28-Apr-13 18:37:08

I made it. grin Just. It was a bit shuddery as I pulled into the village. There is no way he will make it to work without stopping at the petrol station. Twat. I have been filling the car (both cars if you include the hire car before it went back) for over a month now. and the fridge, cupboards, gas and leccy bills Twat. So much for him paying the majority share angry angry angry

Sorry for ranting.

M and I are off to Aberdeen tomorrow to meet up with some old uni chums. I am sooo excited!!! grin grin grin

MissMummy1 Sun 28-Apr-13 18:38:35

Wanna Matilda doesn't sleep. Ever. (although she is doing 4 hour stints at night now so musn't complain!)

MissMummy1 Sun 28-Apr-13 18:40:08

You have just reminded me my dad gave me a spa voucher for my birthday! Had planned to get my nails done a few times but think I will book a massage. My back is full of knots confused

TheDetective Sun 28-Apr-13 18:43:50

That's how I ended up with banana vom face BP. He loves being lifted up. Wonder why. hmm

MM so kinda the thing I would do. Mwhahaha! <Rubs hands with evil glint in eye>.

I'm not sure O's dose is quite right yet, as he is crying when put down on the floor, but happy to be in highchair, jumperoo etc. He's fine lay down at night still, as always. But not so keen in the day.

Speaking of jumperoos. O likes his. But not for bouncing! He just likes spinning the frog and the other spinning thing! I wonder when he will bounce?! I've bounced it for him but he just looks at me with a pissed off face. hmm

TheDetective Sun 28-Apr-13 18:44:24

That will be the blow up bed MM!

BigPigLittlePig Sun 28-Apr-13 18:50:41

DH is obsessed with the car, he would go apeshit if the fuel went into the red. I am not this way inclined, so it's one of his jobs. Garden + car, very particular about. House? Not so much.

F has fallen asleep VERY soundly in a vest, draped across my leg. My squishy tummy is apparantly a lurvely soft pillow.

TheDetective Sun 28-Apr-13 18:55:55

BP The only thing DP is obsessed about is his laptop, and his Xbox disks not getting scratched hmm. I think I'd prefer garden and car. grin

ChasingDaisy Sun 28-Apr-13 19:00:45

wanna nap times here are pretty much as pig described. Two morning naps of 30-45 mins each and a longer nap in the afternoon of 2-3 hours. These naps happen after 90mins awake time. He sometimes has a teatime nap if he needs it. He has needed it the past few days and has slept better at night.

pass bet that feels weird! Make sure you enjoy it though smile

Buggered back here too. It has always been weak due to issues with my vertebrae but pregnancy, birth, possibly epidural and a baby who needs rocking to sleep and them sleeps slumped on me have all made it a lot worse sad. May have to see GP about it as I'm not sure how I'll cope when O gets much heavier.

Had a pretty tiring weekend even though I didnt do much more than make a mountain of purees. As much as I love O I would love just a little break from him to recharge my mummy batteries for the week ahead, but no. I have forgotten what it is like to feel rested.

He is still living here and things are kind of going back to normal against my better judgement . We had a bicker today and I got a bit scared even though he wasn't violent at all. O also has a habit of grabbing at my neck which means I have constant reminders of what happened.

O also loves to kick me in the fanjo as I rock him to sleep. He obviously doesn't feel as though he has done enough damage to that area already hmm

BigPigLittlePig Sun 28-Apr-13 19:04:12

chasing F is another fanjo kicker. Little buggers monkeys.

Izzybuzzybuzzybees Sun 28-Apr-13 19:08:01

I am so jealous of napping babies sad mine is well and truly broken. He won't nap unless we are out in car or with pram or in IKEA! and also doesn't sleep at night. He slept a total of 5.5hr last night in dribs and drabs! X

ChasingDaisy Sun 28-Apr-13 19:10:25

Izzy that must be so difficult sad. I moan about being sofa pinned during O's naps, but at least he is asleep and I can MN and watch daytime TV relax.

Luis we haven't heard from you in a while. Hope everything is well in Chez Garcia smile

TheDetective Sun 28-Apr-13 19:12:17

I really don't know how you do it Izzy and the other non sleeping baby owners!

BigPigLittlePig Sun 28-Apr-13 19:16:01

My SIL today was having a bit of a moan about how hard it was to sleep when she had a cold for a week, until she found a drowsy cough medicine. One week. FIVE MONTHS PEOPLE and no signs of improving

ChasingDaisy Sun 28-Apr-13 19:19:27

It is amazing what I would now consider a good nights sleep. When I was pregnant and had been made redundant I was a 10 hour a night girl. Now I just pray for two 3 hour blocks per night as I know this is what I need to function. Four hours is just bliss.

Passmethecrisps Sun 28-Apr-13 19:26:58

Honesty, Izzy you are made of sterner stuff than I. Although what would any of do but just carry on? It must be getting very hard now. If you fancy a trip to Ikea to lull him to sleep just say the word!

P and DH were only gone for 30 minutes or so but it felt nice. It appears that P is currently a mummy's girl and has eyes only for me. It makes it hard for DH to look after her for very long as she gets a bit weh.

wanna the naps sound fine. P sleeps on average 13-14 hours in 24 with 12.5 of those being night time. Sorry izzy! Generally they go 30-45 minutes at about 9ish, 45 mins to an hour or so at about 12ish then 30-45 minutes at about 3.30ish. Very variable. Only hard and fast is no napping after 5, bedtime at 7 and getting up between 7-7:30.

She is a lady of routine and this pattern was her preference. I thank my lucky stars on a daily basis.

S chose her routine too. It could have been worse.

I do not know how you cope with the non sleeping. Even during the day with no time to just recharge knowing they are snoozing.

Passmethecrisps Sun 28-Apr-13 19:32:11

And Yy chasing! At the weekend pre-baby I would not have dreamed of getting out of bed before 9 if I could possibly avoid it. 10 hours was a nice amount. Sadly, despite P being a snooze-queen I still sleep poorly. I am still following that pattern of sleeping fine until about 3ish then basically being awake every 45 mins or so. Mostly the sleep I get is cat-napping. I do know though that I am still getting more sleep than others so I am not complaining. I think it is just frustrating. I will get some Kalms this week I think and see if that makes any difference. At the moment the most effective thing is a very large glass of wine which is not really a long term solution.

Passmethecrisps Sun 28-Apr-13 19:34:14

Exactly wanna. Just half an hour for a sit down and a cup of tea in peace can make such a difference.

TheDetective Sun 28-Apr-13 19:35:33

Remember when we were all in the 4am club?

And we moaned?!

<Hollow laugh>

ChasingDaisy Sun 28-Apr-13 19:39:06

I moaned about lack of sleep a lot when I was pregnant. Idiot.

Clarella Sun 28-Apr-13 19:51:00

oh izzy I'm with you. I feel quite ill these days. we've started bed time earlier and earlier in an effort to get him to squeeze more sleep in. though a pillow and gavisgon is making a huge difference today. tightly rolled towels keeping him in place. thankfully he's still crap at rolling grin . off to bed now fx he's better tonight.

BigPigLittlePig Sun 28-Apr-13 19:52:57

Ah yes clarella - we have a permanent rolled towel down one side of Fs cot, which her back goes against. It's the only thing that keeps her propped onto her side. God knows what we'll do when she's mobile.

Clarella Sun 28-Apr-13 19:53:55

hugs to you too pass. the cat napping is a killer cos we don't finish a full sleep cycle (1 and half hours)

i feel really refreshed after 3 hours sleep though can't remember last time that happened!

kirrinIsland Sun 28-Apr-13 19:54:40

grin mm

N has a morning nap and an afternoon nap - both about an hour, although she does occasionally do a random 2 or 3 hours just to keep me on my toes smile

YellowWellies Sun 28-Apr-13 19:57:21

Hello all. Preparing for another night of sleep Russian roulette. 12 bad nights now (maybe one good one in there) so think it must be developmental. Must get blinds sorted so he can sleep in his own room and I can fuck off to the spare room downstairs Despite being a bit yawny we've had a lovely day - a pal from the island came over for her birthday brunch, as did my sis, then we went off to Perthshire looking at antique shops for a farmhouse table. No joy but a beautiful day to be out and about in the hills.

Passmethecrisps Sun 28-Apr-13 19:58:53

Is that right clarella? That would make sense then. I spend a lot of time in bed but not much of it actually properly sleeping. DH leaves every morning saying "maybe you can get a wee snooze later" but it can take me well over an hour to drift off so not much chance of that.

Anyway. These things are all relative and our 'normal' changes.

issimma Sun 28-Apr-13 20:15:41

Does anyone else have really crap, snapping hair? Have started a thread in S&B if you can help? Damn hormones.

I have terrible hair right now. Needs cut badly. And I am going grey. At 25. sad

No idea how to help though.

ChasingDaisy Sun 28-Apr-13 20:35:46

Im 28 and going grey too sad Have been for a few years now.

Blah, feeling very blue this evening for some reason. O just woke crying after 45 mins in bed which never happens. Hope it was just a one off and in not in for a shit night.

Pikz Sun 28-Apr-13 20:36:56

Finally caught up on two days of posts!

Exhausted. Hope everyone is ok thanks

Took LO to rugby club yesterday... Saw all the girls and so tempted for a comeback but won't. Most of the team I played with are now preggers or have babies!!

Today braved ikea for an antilop and the red wooden one for mum. LO been hilarious all day. He can now blow raspberries!

Had date night with DP last night. Was lovely to go out but getting in at midnight I hardly slept.

Sending sleepy dust to all.

Passmethecrisps Sun 28-Apr-13 20:38:20

34 and going very grey. Hair is mostly dyed so it is hardish to see but I can tell that I have gone about 50% grey.

Thankfully the condition is still quite good. I noticed that my leg hair went very very dark and thick but seems to be going back to normal now.

S has finally got her toes in to her mouth. Just this second shes done it grin

Izzybuzzybuzzybees Sun 28-Apr-13 20:41:56

Ugh I have no idea how I'm coping either sad

vq thanks for being worried about me. I'm ok just now...honest!

And pass I'm up for Ikea meets any tues or wed really!

TheDetective Sun 28-Apr-13 20:43:00

Tears and temper tantrums here tonight. Mine.

Utter disaster. Feeding O his bedtime bottle happily, burped him, and the next thing, proper projectile vomit everywhere. Full bottle plus banana. confused.

Swaddle and blanket destroyed and now in washing machine. O now refusing to sleep due to said destroyed swaddle and blanket. So DP is now out in the fucking car driving to get him to fucking sleep while the swaddle washes.

And worst of all actually I don't know which is worse?? the vomit has damaged my phone, and the fucking sound doesn't work properly. Only from the bottom speaker. The top one is fucked. Please please please let it dry out okay. sad The phone was completely submerged in vomit. I would now like to cry.

PennieLane Sun 28-Apr-13 20:48:43

Haven't properly caught up but wanted to check it. Had a massage today courtesy if DH as my back is screwed-'twas amazing!!! Highly recommend!

Naps, we have 11-2.30 most days and that's it. Occasionally she does 10.30-12 then 2-3.30 if she's not in a good mood. I read somewhere at 6 months the naps are supposed to drop a bit to 2-2.5 hours in total, but that could be bollocks. This has been her 'routine' from birth soi'll just see if she changes on her own. I think she doesn't sleep enough and often looks tired but I can't manage to get her to do anymore!

Passmethecrisps Sun 28-Apr-13 20:51:10

det turn the phone off and put in a freezer bag of rice. Leave it there for at least a day.

Passmethecrisps Sun 28-Apr-13 20:51:47

Actually, 2 or 3 days is better. Resist the temptation to turn it on in this time.

Passmethecrisps Sun 28-Apr-13 20:52:23

Oh. Just to clarify - don't actually put it in the freezer.

ChasingDaisy Sun 28-Apr-13 20:55:03

Yes rice has saved many a phone here. After I have dropped them in the toilet. Yes, I have done this more than once.

BigPigLittlePig Sun 28-Apr-13 20:59:27

Detective thanks - use the aroma of these to mask the smell of vom. Bleurgh to projectile vom.

Hair is falling out in spades here. From my head. Not my legs, sadly. I am blessed with blonde hair so greys can lurk quite happily.

F has been in bed asleep since 7.15 shock. Not a peep so far. And the secret? Ranitidine The cat was back in the room with her.

PurplePidjin Sun 28-Apr-13 21:05:48

brew for those in need and <rice and airing cupboard> for Det

Parsnip is apparently preferable to sweet potato, although he's fascinated by biscuits crunching. It'll be a bloody long time before you get your hands on one of them, young fellow me lad!

Off to the new Southampton Kiddicare tomorrow grin i have a 10% off voucher they sent out, and m+s have their sale on too <rock n rooooooll>

Evilwater Sun 28-Apr-13 21:07:15

Hello all,
I've hit a massive bump with weaning, sad baby evil dosn't want any food! shock. He seems to have a sore throat and is vomiting about 5 or 6 times a day, of little amounts. No temp.
all he wants is his milk , and meal times are beginning to be a battle ground. sad any adivce is welcome.

I've tired to talk to P, but he dosn't want to talk.

Ill try and read the previous posts
Evil

ChasingDaisy Sun 28-Apr-13 21:10:18

Detective have a big old cry. It will make you feel better. I'll join you.

MadamGazelleIsMyMum Sun 28-Apr-13 21:10:50

Rice trick has worked for me too detective

Our day looks like this: 6am wake and feed, porridge at 7am, nap around 8.30am for 30-45mins. Feed at 9/9.15am, veggies and fruit before midday, followed by more milk. Sleep for either 45mins/ an hour or 2 hours (rare). More milk around 3pm and at 5pm, with a snooze between those two if lunchtime nap was short. Bath at 6pm, final bottle 6.30pm. Usually wakes once or twice a night, he doesn't get fed.

Currently he has 6 x 8oz bottles, but as his food consumption increases I will reduce down to 7oz bottles and stretch him to go 4 hours between milk feeds rather than the 2.5/3 hours we manage at the moment.

This time in 2 weeks will be the Sunday night before my return to wrk. Wahhhhhhhhhhhh!

BigPigLittlePig Sun 28-Apr-13 21:12:52

Evil maybe somethings upset him, or he's under the weather with a virus? I'd leave off for a few days then try him again.

Fs favourite toy lately is a weaning spoon. She has a total spack attack if she drops it, tears and everything. It's the perfect implement for spreading drool liberally across ones face.

Evilwater Sun 28-Apr-13 21:23:21

Big- he's been like this for the weekend, and still no improvement.

Sorry I missed all the birthdays.

Naps- Baby evil has a nap at 9 ish for a hour if I'm lucky, and a nap in the afternoon, which can very in length.

Feeding- we were doing bottle and a few mouthfuls of porridge for breakfast. Bottle at 1030, then lunch at 12 with a fruit pudding. At 3 another bottle, then supper at 5 with pudding. Lastly a bottle at 730 ish at bed time.

At the moment it's just milk when ever he cries, he has no interst in food.

Evil

TheDetective Sun 28-Apr-13 21:24:41

Thank fuck. Phone resumed usual functions. shock

Baby asleep. In car seat. Will not move til swaddle is dry - which is now in tumble drier.

Fucking hell. hmm

I succumbed to a kit kat. But just one. So that's ok.

Thank you for the rice idea. Luckily we have some. So if it starts pissing around again, rice, bag and warm it is! now I've calmed down, I remembered doing that a couple of years ago, when I dropped my 2 week old iphone in the bog in a campsite. I didn't drop it. It fell out my bag when I unhooked it from the back of the door. It survived!

Madam

When he wakes in the night and doesnt get fed, how long until he goes back over? What do you do? Do you go to him?

S really doesnt need the night feeds. I just havent a clue how to stop them.

TheDetective Sun 28-Apr-13 21:26:19

I think O had too much food today. I am only giving him it once tomorrow.

Evil if he doesn't want it, it is fine. Just give it 2-3 days, and then try offering it again. smile

Evilwater Sun 28-Apr-13 21:27:39

Oh, baby evil will be 7 months next week.
He's not got rolling yet, should I be worried? He still hates being on his front, but like to be on his side.

For a plus, he will pull himself up using my fingers to stand. He's very unsteady standing still, but he loves to walk/run with me keeping him upright.

Evil

Dixiebell Sun 28-Apr-13 21:29:44

pidj, I'm jealous! I have the 10% off Boucher but can't get to Hedge End before it expires. In fact, was it you that proposed a meet up? I'd love to but have signed myself up for baby massage and swimming classes on tue and thurs, both in the middle of the day making getting there and back in time for picking up ds1 a bit tricky. Rest of the week I have ds1 with me, it would not be a relaxing coffee to have him tagging along... Will have more spare time in a month or so when my courses finish, I'd be up for a meet up then. Let me know what it's like!

Dixiebell Sun 28-Apr-13 21:30:16

Voucher obv, not Boucher

Evilwater Sun 28-Apr-13 21:30:44

Thanks detetive sorry to read about your phone! So unlucky. Hope O gets to sleep soon. Wishing you sleepy dust.

madam big hugs for going back to work.

Big I can't see F having a tantrum over a spoon. She's too cute!

Evil