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November 2012 - Does it seem like half a year?

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StuntNun Fri 19-Apr-13 11:09:38
MadamGazelleIsMyMum Fri 19-Apr-13 11:11:06

Yay! First, for first time ever!

PurplePidjin Fri 19-Apr-13 11:29:38


GTbaby Fri 19-Apr-13 11:45:54

6months and 1 week. Wow.

StuntNun Fri 19-Apr-13 12:17:06

That was fun. Nice one Detective.

TheDetective Fri 19-Apr-13 12:17:36

Yehaaaaah mofos!

TheDetective Fri 19-Apr-13 12:18:00

Continue as you were...!

PetiteRaleuse Fri 19-Apr-13 12:18:41

You fuckers stealing the end of the thread and making me lose my lovely buttery post...

Six months today here.

So, anyone's babies walking yet or are they all still studying quantum physics and molecular science in their activity time?

BigPigLittlePig Fri 19-Apr-13 12:18:50

<pants onto thread>

Fucksticks. I got a sweat on and everything for that angry

PetiteRaleuse Fri 19-Apr-13 12:19:43

(that was a joke btw, far too early to walk, but never too early to learn Latin verbs)

TheDetective Fri 19-Apr-13 12:19:50

My baby is sleeping 24 hours a day. He loves sleep.

TheDetective Fri 19-Apr-13 12:20:04

I fucking wish he did!

BigPigLittlePig Fri 19-Apr-13 12:20:22

Detective omelette sounds rank. Only a man....(sorry luis)

PR did I not mention that F has designed a new moon-landing vehicle, and will be remotely captaining a space vessel, whilst crocheting an entire house and solving world poverty? Must have slipped my mind.

TheDetective Fri 19-Apr-13 12:20:57

OMG. I just looked down. O has made it from the play mat at one side of the living room, to down by my feet, and is currently using the xbox controller to mess with the DVD that is on!

Not even fucking kidding. Oh god.

BigPigLittlePig Fri 19-Apr-13 12:24:05

detective that's what happens when you leave these child geniuses for a minute to muck about on MN

I'm reliably informed by DH that F is asleep in her car seat and has been for over an hour. WHY WON'T SHE SLEEP FOR ME!?!?

TheDetective Fri 19-Apr-13 12:25:27

Because daddies are cunts. Fact.

Passmethecrisps Fri 19-Apr-13 12:28:34


1.5 hours of bouncing in the Jumperoo followed by an hour of baby sensory has finished off wee P. she is sparko. So I am eating hula hoops.

MadamGazelleIsMyMum Fri 19-Apr-13 12:32:09

DD and DS both at nursery. <wins>

PetiteRaleuse Fri 19-Apr-13 12:36:01

gazelle you do win.

Can everyone stop eating hulahoops? You're making me envy

Lily311 Fri 19-Apr-13 12:38:54

Can I swear pls???

Fuck you Apple Store. Went to exchange my Ipad, got a brand new shiny one. But it doesn't work. It doubles up the letters so I couldn't even connect to the internet, also the touchscreen doesn't respont to my touch. So after O is awake, we need to go back. Thanks fuck I live 20 min walk away from Central London. I can't believe I got a faulty one.

Food porn. I love chocolate ricecakes. Those are my new favourites.

YellowWellies Fri 19-Apr-13 12:39:46

Is there a six month sleep regression? DS seems to be so refluxy - he wanted fed none stop from 4am. I'm wondering if I need to go slower on the weaning. Despite him hoovering up 4 ice cubes worth yesterday am going to just BF today to see if that helps the poor chap.

M's favourite thing to do today is to pull her legs up and then do a big fart. Mucky little pup grin
She keeps giving me shifty sideways glances too.

Any idea how I can get rock hard abs in two weeks? Whilst eating biscuits and cakes if possible

ChasingDaisy Fri 19-Apr-13 12:44:17

pig the rule in my house is that one packet of hula hoops is never enough. I currently have Worcester sauce flavour French Fries in the cupboard. Yumtastic.

Detective O2 is a scratchy fucked. Doesn't matter how long his nails are.

Had jabs today. He sobbed his heart out. I cried. Got him in the pram to go home and he smiled the whole way home. He is now crashed out on me.

TheDetective Fri 19-Apr-13 13:00:35

I snorted at that Fatima. I suppose you could exercise? While eating biscuits and cakes?!?!

Lily Does it not just need an update or something?

Do ipads need connecting to itunes? Have no idea as don't have one fucking want one though grrrr!. Sometimes my iphone does stupid shit like that. I turn it off. It comes back on normal?

O is currently rolling around the living room butt naked and having a right old giggle. I hoovered. So there is now no dog hair. I hope. I've got to change his baby grow though as I'm not putting a hair ball in the swaddle.

I've made his bottle and got his stuff ready for his nap. He looked tired. Since removal of nappy and clothes he's up for a party. Damn it!

TheDetective Fri 19-Apr-13 13:04:31

You big old softy chasing!!

There is a little girl at the baby groups I go to - she must be around 10 months. She is the funniest little thing! Feel sorry for her mum! All the other babies play with the toys, and stay in the circle of mums. Her baby? No. She goes for absolutely everything that is not a toy. She goes for the phone connected to the speaker, the doors, the tables, the chairs, our shoes, jewellery.... There isn't much else in the room, but if there is, she's at it! She just doesn't sit still!

Her mum is running around after her constantly, while everyone else is sat down with their babies!

I have a strong feeling O might be just like this little girl soon enough....!!!

Just tried in some of my bikinis and my massive flabby feeders won't fit in properly! <wails> wouldn't mind if they were big and perky but they're more like spaniels ears. Think when I stop feeding I'm going to have to roll them up in to my bra grin
Has anybody got any flattering nursing bras? That don't make your boobs in to a monoboob that stretches round under your armpits

TheDetective Fri 19-Apr-13 13:14:07

Good news on the tits front. Mine have filled out a little now. Not like they were. But less empty sack like.

<Giving hope to millions> grin

Yay! That makes me hopeful I won't be left with rocks in socks grin

TheDetective Fri 19-Apr-13 13:18:44

Rocks in socks <holds on to pelvic floor tightly!> grin

I was right. O just downed 8oz and conked out on my shoulder. He looks so content! Let's see if I can get him swaddled and in cot!

StuntNun Fri 19-Apr-13 13:18:57

Just got J down for his 11 a.m. nap. I'm drained. Time for lunch. Please don't wake up too soon J.

TheDetective Fri 19-Apr-13 13:21:42

Done. shock

Fucking hell. shock

TheDetective Fri 19-Apr-13 13:26:47

I wish I understood babies. Mind you, I wish I understood people.

Keep on dreamin'!

TheDetective Fri 19-Apr-13 13:40:31

Weaning question:

When giving your baby meals, do you plan their food times around convenient times for you? Or do you give them meals when you have yours?

It's just in our house, breakfast is when you can grab it - I'm not a breakfast person tend not to bother with it. I was planning on giving O his at around 9. Once DP finishes work for 3 months next week, there will not be any need to take O on the school run as we will both be off, and then by July no more school runs. DS1 will be walking to school from september!

Lunch, well, it varies again, but around 1pm is usual. I was thinking of giving O his around 12.45 as he often naps around 1pm.

Dinner we have very late really, due to work it has often been 7pm, sometimes a bit later when we eat. A bit late for O, as he seems to be ready for bed between 7.30-8pm. So I was thinking of aiming for 5pm, but this means he won't be eating with us... is that an issue? He won't really be having breakfast with us, or dinner. Just lunch.

StuntNun Fri 19-Apr-13 13:45:16

And he's awake. confused

MadamGazelleIsMyMum Fri 19-Apr-13 13:51:25

Just back from seeing the nurse at my surgery. Went due to my ingrowing toenail which repeatedly gets infected mainly because I repeatedly play the amateur surgeon to cure it I was last there 3 months ago for the exact same reason and promised the nurse that after the infection had cleared, I would see the GP to try and sort the underlying problem.

Obviously I didn't see the GP, so here we are 3 months later. I went in and said I was embarrassed and guilty I hadn't followed the advice, and then I got my bollocking. But it wasn't for not following advice, it was for "being a mum and doing that thing mums do" ie putting self last and only seeking help when it was really, really bad. I got told in no uncertain terms that not putting myself higher up my list was not sensible and not just for me, but because if I got really unwell then how precisely was that helping my family, hmmm?

I felt suitably chastised, but also thought that there is a lesson there that does not only apply to self inflicted small infected cut on toe.

ChasingDaisy Fri 19-Apr-13 13:53:49

I have a similar weaning question to Detective.

How do you time giving solids around their milk feeds. I am conscious of making sure that his milk intake doesn't drop as it is low enough as it is. So I don't want him to eat so much food that he doesn't want his milk. Equally, he probably won't want solids if he is full on milk hmm

I am planning to start by introducing lunch so he can eat when I do, followed by breakfast and dinner last. Does that sound ok?

Detective for what its worth, to me it seems fairly normal for children to eat dinner earlier than their parents.

TheDetective Fri 19-Apr-13 14:03:08

Thanks chasing! I didn't eat with DS1 when he was little either, but didn't fucking worry about it either!!

What is with this sudden guilt thing?!

Madam DP had his ingrowing toe nails sorted about 8 weeks ago. He left them for well over 18 months. He would cut them out, constant infections, would scream if anyone went near his toes. Was an absolute nightmare. Culminated in stubbing foot on dog while holding Oscar. Not good. Made him go to GP. He was in constant agony but did nothing about it!

Anyway, best thing he's ever had done. Was annoying for him having to soak his feet and re-dress them every night for 6 weeks.

But worth it.

MadamGazelleIsMyMum Fri 19-Apr-13 14:08:14

detective my DH has a similar frustration with me. I know, I know. Must get it sorted.

horseylady Fri 19-Apr-13 14:09:22

yw 6 months last major growth spurt. A lot of people have increased feeding then it steadies off.

I am giving bottle at 7ish breakfast about 8.45 (usually porridge/fruit purée) pushing the next feed back to 11-11.30, then offering lunch if he's awake (just finger food) at whatever time he's awake. Today I'm not. He's still sleeping. Then bottle at about 3, dinner either 5 or 8pm depending what were doing, bottle at 6.30, bottle at 10pm. I'm guessing the 3 and 6 bottle will combine soon as he takes on more food/water (not tried that yet) as his lunch gets bigger. I'm hoping his bedtime will get earlier or hell bring his last bottle forwards. I actually have no idea how it will pan out!!!!

Second time mums?? People keep saying it just happens!!!

BigPigLittlePig Fri 19-Apr-13 14:12:16

madam I put off having mine dealt with for 2 years, then made the really fucking stupid mistake of watching the procedure as a student, during which I fainted due to a total dislike of fingerrs/toes/nails in general. I then waited another 2 years. I had one pair of shoes I could wear. Finally succumbed and have had not one jot of trouble since, bloomin; marvellous wee op unless you watch them do it

TheDetective Fri 19-Apr-13 14:12:30

I was sat downstairs listening to music while Oscar slept in the cot. As one track ended I heard crying from upstairs. But nothing on baby monitor. On inspection it appears the baby unit has failed. Assuming fuse, but will need to get under cot to get at it.

Stupid fucking thing. Good job it wasn't the evening when the TV was on or I might not have heard him. I didn't have the music on loud, and I couldn't hear him over it. Not good.

He can't have been crying for long though as it was a 3 minute track.

He's now back asleep, but downstairs in the car seat.

TheDetective Fri 19-Apr-13 14:13:59

I've forgotten everything Horsey. Must start writing things down for O!!

TheDetective Fri 19-Apr-13 14:17:06

I wish there was a way to get all my posts in one place, from these threads, so I could read them and put a timeline together for things O has done. These threads will contain them all, with dates. For my poor forgetful memory.

I've looked up my posts but it was a waste of time, nothing is in date order, was a mess trying to go through them.


Thechick Fri 19-Apr-13 14:19:15

Lo is 6 and a half months. We don't have a strict routine with bf or with solids. I think I've read that at this stage it's about getting them used to having different tastes and textures rather than an actual meal so I'm feeding H with milk first and then giving solids a bit after. He has lunch at about 1ish or after his first nap and dinner at 6ish and usually we have lunch at the same time but its not a hard and fast rule. We don't have dinner at the same time.

horseylady Fri 19-Apr-13 14:36:38

chick I tried that way but he won't eat after his bottle and is too agitated for me to feed him in the middle. So I try to feed an hour or two after his bottle.

detective would be good!!!! I filled out some of the firsts in the red book. Made most of it up as I couldn't remember!!!

Oh he's started saying da da! He just babbles allllllllll day long.

Right I've set up the monitor in his room. He's going in tonight. I have the angle care one. I've tested the motion sensor. It works. Anything else I need to do???? I've turned it off now. Oh I need to put batteries in for power cuts!!!

Pikz Fri 19-Apr-13 14:41:50


LO has a new noise...it's loud!

In terms of weaning and milk, ive worked his meals round his usual nap and milk ties. So he has milk 6.30am, breakfast 7.30am, milk 9.30 am, lunch 12pm, milk 12.30pm, milk 3.30pm, dinner 5pm and milk 6.30pm and bed at 7ish. Works like this ish most days. He naps at 8am, 10.30am and 1ish and 4.30pm.

PetiteRaleuse Fri 19-Apr-13 15:00:24

At the moment LO is having a meal (veg) early lunch and a snack (fruit compote) later in the afternoon. I am going to introduce breakfast next week, and an evening meal probably the week after, or possibly next week too, when I will start introducing meat and fish. Breakfast will be toast soldiers or porridge depending on my energy levels. I am not too fussed about breakfast though for the moment, I prefer her to drink milk.

I will also be mushing fruit into natural yoghurt once the berry season starts in a month or so (though, just a reminder, keep an eye out for allergic reactions to berries particularly strawberries).

Right, sorted some clothes out. Moved some Pre-pregnancy t-shirt out of the attic room back in to my drawers to wear and them moved my dresses out of my wardrobe in the attic. Ain't going to be wearing them anytime soon with breast feeding so might as well make some space.

My wardrobe at the moment is so boring. I've been wearing jeans, vest tops and hoody religiously. The vest tops end up stretching over my massive mammaries though and going baggy round my belly.
Could do with some nice tops to go with jeans that aren't too expensive. Any suggestions?

Quick food question - what can I cook for tea that uses chicken breast, chorizo and sweet potato?

TheDetective Fri 19-Apr-13 15:19:44
YellowWellies Fri 19-Apr-13 15:28:02

Horsey I bet you're right - I bet its a fecking growth spurt and he's refluxy because he's scoffing so much milk!!! Will keep him off solids today as shouldn't wean if growth spurt as he needs to up my supply.....

Brockle Fri 19-Apr-13 15:28:37

Y amused himself blowing raspberries at grandma and grandad in Costa this morning which they thought was brilliant smile he is now flaked out on me after sitting in. his nest. I honestly don't think he will ever roll front to back as he just wants to sit all the time. lovely day grin.

Y's new sound is something like lurdle urdle or durdle urdle. strange but funny nonetheless.

Y will have breakfast at 9, lunch at 12.30ish. and tea between 4 and 5 with the boys. at the mo he will have milk feeds just after each meal but by seven months ish he will have milk feeds when he waked. mid morning, mid afternoon, after tea and before bed.

PetiteRaleuse Fri 19-Apr-13 15:32:14

Fatima casserole. Add onion, garlic, a tin of tomatoes and maybe some beans, herbs and yum.

Brockle Fri 19-Apr-13 15:33:15

I like Dorothy Perkins fatima they usually have nice tops and shirts that go with jeans.

horseylady Fri 19-Apr-13 15:40:49

yw reflux worse here too sad just had projectile vom everywhere. With bits of apple. He had that 6 hours ago!!!!

YellowWellies Fri 19-Apr-13 15:53:53

Horsey I'm thinking of avoiding acidic stuff like pear, apple etc but then the dietician said ideal first foods for refluxy babies are pear, parsnip and papaya. So I'm hmm confused hmm confused hmm confused

Sods law it'll be the sweet potato he didn't get on with - as I have a huge freezer bag full of puree cubes of it!!!! Though sweet potato doesn't fit with the gradual erosion of sleep - the dates don't fit.

Though that could be growth spurt.

So hard to tell cause and effect with reflux.

It could be teething and nothing to do with solids.....

I give up!!!! <throws in towel in a huff> wah next time can I have one which can eat and drink like a normal baby - must be a piece of fecking cake ESPECIALLY as I could be chocolate fuelled <stamps foot and flounces dramatically>

Thechick Fri 19-Apr-13 15:55:55

Horsey I felt like my milk dipped a bit so now i'm feeding H milk before food even if he isn't demanding it, but not if i fed him to sleep and he wakes shortly after and it was time for lunch or dinner, then i wouldn't.
Am i the only one bf who has started solids?

I gave H a muslin to play with when changing his nappy,it was the BEST TOY EVER!! He loved the label and the fact that he could put it in his mouth.Funny boy!!

Thechick Fri 19-Apr-13 15:58:19

H doesn't seem to get on with broccoli. Loves the taste but makes him hyper!

TheDetective Fri 19-Apr-13 15:58:58

<Comes running after YW!>

I am grateful for the normal one that came before O!

Chick O loves muslins. The more sick mopped up the better. He sucks them. Absolutely minging. But he adores them...!

MissMummy1 Fri 19-Apr-13 15:59:52

Posting from my shiney new tablet grin grin grin grin

I can also confirm YW has a beautiful house.

As you were...

YellowWellies Fri 19-Apr-13 16:04:15

Chick we're BF and attempting solids. My sister's daughter (the 27 weeker) has lots of food intolerances which make her go hyper - potato, baby rice and sweet potato amongst others. I really hope we don't follow suit. Apparently its something they grow out of - but worth not persevering with a food that causes a reaction as it could trigger an allergy. She's been advised to attempt to reintroduce problem foods every three months.

horseylady Fri 19-Apr-13 16:07:10

yw seriously it's not the best here. I don't know what to do. Weaning is supposed to help happy chuckers!!!! Maybe I shouldn't give any more today?!

PetiteRaleuse Fri 19-Apr-13 16:14:11

horsey you could slow it down a little. Or try something else. Banana is easy to digest though for some reason DD1 throws it up occasionally.

YellowWellies Fri 19-Apr-13 16:19:01

Horsey I've given him the day off solids. It could be teeth, solids, growth spurt or just sheer pissy bad luck / no reason whatsoever so I'm trying to remove variables....

I think the transition from milk to solids can be stressful on their stomachs - 'food being good for reflux' (whilst I'm sure its true eventually) strikes me as something HV and GPs say to get you to go away without costing the NHS a prescription. envy

Speaking of which every single GP practice in Kirkcaldy is full and not accepting new patients. WT actual F!!!!

TheDetective Fri 19-Apr-13 16:19:40

I think weaning in reflux can go one way or the other Horsey. It is one of the things I am worrying about.

YellowWellies Fri 19-Apr-13 16:20:51

Don't try banana with reflux - that's the one obvious baby food we were told to avoid for the first couple of months - it reacts with stomach enzymes in an ouchy way for sensitive bellies.

PetiteRaleuse Fri 19-Apr-13 16:22:24

OK sorry, I didn't know that. blush smile

TheDetective Fri 19-Apr-13 16:25:41

Did the dietician give you that info YW this is what I am worried about, making things worse! Hope his appt hurries the fuck up!

horseylady Fri 19-Apr-13 16:31:13

ye'w I didn't know that but he refused to eat it. Actually if he seems to think it might not help him, he refuses it.

Clever little beings babies.

Thechick Fri 19-Apr-13 16:53:12

YW I didn't know it could cause an allergy. That's the last thing I would want.

Clarella Fri 19-Apr-13 16:56:59

checking in late as usual!

fruitpastilles Fri 19-Apr-13 17:01:40

I've just started giving S baby rice, will be trying her with root vegetables next week.

Got her a playnest on Saturday, my god do I wish I'd got it sooner, she loves it, she will sit in it for ages and actually shows interest in her toys.

BigPigLittlePig Fri 19-Apr-13 17:12:15

That's interesting about banana - that, and apple, are the 2 things F has licked and pulled a envy face instead of a hmm or smile face.

Clarella Fri 19-Apr-13 17:15:29

ah an easier catchup than usual!

lo has suddenly started napping longer - about an hour and 20 - but wakes up screaming seemingly in pain. glad of naps (sleep regression are you fucking off now?) but then makes me worried about this kidney stuff confused is he poorly again etc - very sleepy feeding. total paranoia.

detective I found the nice stuff on prophylactics antibiotics and it's says not to. am gonna chat to doc on Monday and ring hospital. his thrush is not shifting and I'm only ok as taking meds.

located a jumperoo shudders

reeeeeeally cant wait till weaning grin

first night out on sat. getting in a clothing flap. it's a tricky one as a capoeira thing at a jazz club so trying to find a balance of laid back martial arts chic..... without puke on it.

YellowWellies Fri 19-Apr-13 17:41:06

Yep that was from the dietician. Just been chatting to my sis. Weaning made her kids reflux WORSE until about 8 months. MARVELLOUS! envy She's suggested going back to one cube a day (after a day or two off to rest his tum) and sticking initially to the reflux holy trinity of parsnip, pear and papaya - which is an antacid. These are likely least problematic for reflux

TheDetective Fri 19-Apr-13 17:43:40

Damn. I have carrots and sweet potato ready for cooking and freezing. Ah well, I'll have to eat them instead grin.

TheDetective Fri 19-Apr-13 17:48:30

I can't remember if I updated or not? But the pushchair damage caused when flying - has been paid out! New seat unit and pushchair bag arriving in next day or so!

Was so easy, no quibbles, sent pictures, they ordered parts from Cosatto, and they have been sent to me.

Quite shock at how easy really!!!!

Pikz Fri 19-Apr-13 18:19:34

Those who have started solids is your baby pooping more often?

Lily311 Fri 19-Apr-13 18:47:52

I got another iPad. Apparently the other one was possessedgrin.

Happy with this one.

Weaning. This is my plan:
7 bottle
8 breakfast
10 bottle
12 lunch
14.30 bottle
5 dinner
6.30 bottle
10.30 bottle if needed

Than with time I will drop the 10 am bottle first than the 2.30 one. We shall see.

Izzybuzzybuzzybees Fri 19-Apr-13 19:06:00

Checking in. Have been thinking of weaning. I'm unsure what to do. J is 24 weeks and 2 days. We go on holiday when he is 27 weeks exactly so I would have had him on solids for only a week before we go (Ibiza all inclusive). Two options...

A) wean him as normal and take baby rice and pouches or
B) delay weaning til we are home when he will be 28 weeks

Opinions? If its magically gonna help him sleep I'd choose A but B seems easiest!!

StuntNun Fri 19-Apr-13 19:21:12

Fatima I have this nursing bra in a 32H (WTAF?) and I luffs it. I also have this Freya one.

I'm completely clueless about this weaning lark. What is a papaya? Do you have to cook it? Do they even sell them in Northern Ireland? I would never have thought of feeding leek or avocado to a baby. How do I have two children with wide and adventurous food tastes exactly? I have ordered this book in the hope it will help.

J licked a piece of cucumber in Pizza Express today and made this face hmm I had Calzone and it wasn't nice, just like a big Findus Crispy Pancake.

Clarella Fri 19-Apr-13 19:29:34

fuck. I just found out about the 9 month sleep regression. bang on cue for returning to work. angry

Clarella Fri 19-Apr-13 19:30:18

zuilliy had a hotmilk bra sale on today - lots cheaper

Pikz Fri 19-Apr-13 19:35:52

Stunt it's a exotic fruit... Orange flesh and big seeds. Like all weaning foods it's orange and makes orange poo!

Pikz Fri 19-Apr-13 19:36:08

Oh and you just mash it raw

PurplePidjin Fri 19-Apr-13 19:42:31

I bought a mango today, can i mash and freeze?

And we did a back carry workshop, he loved it! Now i need to find the eleventy bazillion pounds these wraps seem to cost hmm

GTbaby Fri 19-Apr-13 19:48:53

Pixie my LOs poo has got more solid n little n often. Also stink. confused Lol.

TheDetective Fri 19-Apr-13 19:55:21

I'm sulking. DP doing his bath because I am just so fucking damn sore. How I am going to manage 8.30-5 study day tomorrow is beyond me. But I've fucking paid so I'm going.

VQ Where are you today? Hope all is okay in Valium Castle!

Talking of baths - is anyone else not using any seat at all? Have put O directly in the bath with a small amount of water a couple of times. He absolutely loves this, especially now he can roll, and lift himself up etc. He's never left alone obviously, and he can get out the bloody bath seat anyway. Is this okay?

Passmethecrisps Fri 19-Apr-13 20:05:48


Beautiful day here. Too knackered to type much.

izzy I would wait personally. Unless he seems mega keen.

Be back soon.

PurplePidjin Fri 19-Apr-13 20:10:12

Det we used the baby bath about twice. He either gets a deep bath to swim in, with continuous support from me, or dp has him splash around on his back in 1" water. We don't take our eyes off either way, but a seat is an unnecessary expense imo.

fruitpastilles Fri 19-Apr-13 20:20:49

det I don't put sinead in her baby bath anymore, she much prefers being in the big bath in very shallow water, she loved bath time anyway but now she's got more 'freedom' so to speak gets even more excited tries to forget about the £30 I spent on a second baby bath from mamas and papas that she only used twice trouble is she screams even more than before now when I take her out, I think she'd stay in the bath all night if I let her!

Evilwater Fri 19-Apr-13 20:32:08

Well another bedtime fuck up!
I have no idea what's the matter. He'd fed, clean, bonjelaed, burped!, not too hot or cold, bedtime routine done. But he Just wont go to bed!


PetiteRaleuse Fri 19-Apr-13 20:41:17

stunt avocado is great all mashed up. A real super food packed with vitamins and sweet. Has to be ripe though. DD1 still loves it.

Thechick Fri 19-Apr-13 20:43:12

IzzyI wasnt looking forward to weaning at all, but it hasn't been as much disruption to our freedom as i thought. i'm quite enjoying this new chapter but it did disrupt his sleep for a while and he'll be out of his normal environment being on holiday so maybe best to wait until you get back or do a few tastes without getting into a proper routine with it.
Pikz his poo is more regular now, every two days and its so much thicker now and smells a bit more.
We still use the baby bath but i think we are going to stop soon. We didn't have a seat. DH just holds him.
Purple i'm not sure about the mango freezing, i would like to know myself. Also banana, has anyone tried freezing mashed banana??

PetiteRaleuse Fri 19-Apr-13 20:44:00

pikz I think a slowing down of poo at the beginning is normal. Or it could go the other way. This is why the three day thing of introducing new food slowly is good. Helps the little bowels get used to the new exciting stuff.

MsJupiterJones Fri 19-Apr-13 20:45:50

Hello new thread.

I met Eliza today, she is just as lovely as you would expect and her DDs are beeeyootiful. You should all be well jel! envy

ValiumQueen Fri 19-Apr-13 20:46:07

I'm here. Fucked off, but here. Fucked off with my Mum, and DH and both DDs. J is awesome. My little buddy. Was slightly tempted to just fuck off somewhere with just him. Just for a brief moment.

I will be ok. Just fucked off.

J will be having a bottle if he wakes in the night, and that makes me sad. It is for the best though.

PetiteRaleuse Fri 19-Apr-13 20:46:48

izzy start when you're ready. Or baby is. Holiday or not. You'll be easily able to do blw on holiday but take a few fruit puree pouches to be sure. Babies tend to take great leaps on holiday. So much new stuff to explore.

Cacacaz Fri 19-Apr-13 20:48:05

Hello everyone smile

Izzy I would probably wait, but that's because I'm a lazy arse

Evil hopefully LO is now fast asleep

Detective we use a mamas and papas bath support, although he wriggles loads so doubt we will be using it for much longer.

I have an interview for my dream job in just over a week. It is for a childrens charity as a childcare worker. Its fair to say I am shitting myself so unbelievably nervous as I have to do a presentation. I haven't ever had to this for a job interview. Any advice will be greatly welcomed.

PetiteRaleuse Fri 19-Apr-13 20:50:23

vq i get you. It'll pass [ flowers]

TheDetective Fri 19-Apr-13 20:51:30

Have a rant here VQ. It always makes me feel better. To rant. Not other people ranting. I just want to rant with them...

Oh dear. You know what I mean!

Cacacaz Fri 19-Apr-13 20:53:34

VQ hugs

Passmethecrisps Fri 19-Apr-13 20:54:00

P has a bath in the big bath sitting in her seat. Just before taking her out DH likes to give her some 'free form splishing' and holds her while she swishes about. The seat is nice for making her secure but the water never covers her tummy.

Gro Anywhere blackout blind installed. Very effective!

I am going to start making up purées next week I think. P's consultant appointment came through for the 14th May so I think I may wait until then to actually start giving solids. We will wait and see.

Baby Sensory appears to be P's favourite place for showing off new skills - today's was unsupported sitting. She cheats a bit by resting her hands on her legs so she is bent over. She sat like that for a looong time though.

Just when I thought we were getting somewhere with milk P has had another day of complete refusal, letting it dribble out the side of her mouth, screaming and gargling before spitting it out. There doesn't seem to be any rhyme or reason to it. Ah well.

I put P to bed nearly two hours ago and she has barely moved a muscle. She has totally worn herself out today! Hours of bouncing, singing, entertaining my friends with her awesome raspberry blowing skillz seems to be the key to self settling! It has been loads of fun but I am completely and utterly wrecked.

ValiumQueen Fri 19-Apr-13 20:57:00

I will be fine, not really needing a rant, but here is a snippet:

DH has decided to go vegan. Just like that. Like having a lodger with his own shelf of shite, cooking separate meals, not eating together, no doubt expensive too. Sometimes he is such a twat.

I am having a 44 year growth spurt.

Passmethecrisps Fri 19-Apr-13 20:57:22

Cross posted.

Sounds shite VQ. Sorry you had a shite Friday.

Hia cacacaz!

PetiteRaleuse Fri 19-Apr-13 20:58:16

Ooops. flowers

PennieLane Fri 19-Apr-13 20:59:19

Oh no vq what happened? Hope you're ok.

caracaz I work(ed) for v big international charity, what's the role? Is it based in London? I don't know anything about children but might be able to help.

shock at half a year!!

We've started on carrot sticks, and she loves them. First tiny solid poo to ight which DH and I were excited about. Going to try parsnip and pear next. She likes picking it up and chomping them. It's v sweet to watch,

ValiumQueen Fri 19-Apr-13 20:59:34

I am off to bed so I don't have to talk to the afore mentioned twat, so do not worry about me. I will catch up at night feed.

It really helps to know you guys care x

Passmethecrisps Fri 19-Apr-13 20:59:46

Sorry. But what the actual fuck? Fucking vegan? Is he having a fucking laugh?

Blimey. That has made me quite cross.

BigPigLittlePig Fri 19-Apr-13 21:00:53

VQ get some bacon. Nobody can resist the smell of bacon. What a wally.

F woke up with a scream, a proper "I'm hurting" bellow. Not sure why. Calpol on board and now she's settled a treat. Teeth? Constipation? Reflux? Why don't they come with a manual??

She has always had baths in the big bath, with a bath seat in. She's now able to sort of body pop her way out of it, with her over-enthusiastic kicking and splashing.

Evilwater Fri 19-Apr-13 21:01:06

He is now! What a bloody nightmare. All of sudden, he's stopped going to sleep at bedtime! confused why? Just why?

Lets see....
Poo- yes he is pooing more. Some a stinkers to be sure.
Weaning- going well, but today fussed loads.
P - thinks he knows it all!


PetiteRaleuse Fri 19-Apr-13 21:01:22

grin @ 44 yr growth spurt. I suppose you can put him in charge of LO's weaning for the next few weeks. You can add fish and meat as and when. With mid life crises come responsibilities.

<nutter giving up meat and fish and eggs>

PennieLane Fri 19-Apr-13 21:01:33

Sorry missed the post. Really? I would be extremely annoyed with DH for making life harder right now,

<closes ears to any growth spurt chat>

Passmethecrisps Fri 19-Apr-13 21:02:02

<considers making massive bacon cheesecake to remind VQ's DH of just how delicious animal produce is>

Passmethecrisps Fri 19-Apr-13 21:03:24

PR that is genius! Daddy Led Weaning!

Passmethecrisps Fri 19-Apr-13 21:05:57

I didn't get a manual either BP. What is with that? Either a manual or some sort of LED with error codes you can google.

PetiteRaleuse Fri 19-Apr-13 21:08:16

Yes we care vq

My news. Went to gp. She pushed on my cheek bone and I screamed. Sinus fucking itis. I understand why LO was so upset. Am on amoxycillin. Hope it doesn't give me the same sharty reaction as LO grin

I am blush to say I asked. The Dr said, erm, well you took it in December, did you shart then? No. Ok.

PennieLane Fri 19-Apr-13 21:09:21

Excellent suggestion PR

I just told DH if he did anything like that, He would have to move out. He said he wouldn't risk the wrath of his own mother grin

The bacon plan has to work!

Cacacaz Fri 19-Apr-13 21:12:49

VQ I think your Dh is being very selfish, flipping Nora I would go ballistic if my Dh said that. Twat!

Howdy Pass

Pennie it's for a Scottish charity called Aberlour. It is part time hours, ideal for me working with children with SEN in a respite unit. My presentation is to be based on the health and well being indicators in Scotland, known as SHANNARI. I need to show how I would evidence that I promote and embrace the SHANNARI indicators in my practice. Gah confused

Passmethecrisps Fri 19-Apr-13 21:17:07

Oh how I love the shannari indicators! Aberlour sell delicious sweeties which are guilt free because they are for charity.

Cacacaz Fri 19-Apr-13 21:25:43

Aren't they just magnificent Pass I am a stress ball just thinking about them and how on earth I will be able to discuss them within 10 minutes without sounding like a don't have a fecking clue!

Izzybuzzybuzzybees Fri 19-Apr-13 21:26:05

cacacaz well done on the interview. I'm sure you will rock the presentation, I've done few over the years but never childcare related. PowerPoint is your friend!

Im concerned about feeding in public in Ibiza, anyone use a nursing cover? I was thinking that way I could pop a whole boob out but hidden?? Clothes for holiday is proving difficult for discrete feeding but I've got a couple if strapless dresses that if I was under a cover would maybe work!

BigPigLittlePig Fri 19-Apr-13 21:32:08

Izzy my standard bf attire is a vest top underneath a normal top top. Lift top top up and vest top down and voila, a boob is revealed. If you just wear a vest top, and use a pretty lightweight scarf around your shoulders, would that work? You can hide quite a lot behind a scarf I've tried

Cacacaz Fri 19-Apr-13 21:35:27

Izzy I was given a mamascarf, I haven't used it though. There are videos on the website which make it look straightforward to use. I would probably just use a large muslin.

I'm rather excited my parents are arriving back from Australia tonight. I cannot wait to take M to visit them tomorrow, he hasn't seen them for weeks.

GTbaby Fri 19-Apr-13 21:41:09

Thanks for the bath Q detective! I was wondering this the other day looking at bath seats thinking "I don't wana spend 30quid" hmm I know I know but trying to tighten belt with another year of maternity on the way.

Will try 1" of water idea. I have a little stool to sit with him. N get some bath toys. He splashes his feet around in his baby bath now so will deff need to move to big boy bath.

Thanks for the tops suggestions. I like the New Look ones detective

I'm venturing in to Leeds on the train with my mum on Thursday so had thought about going to Bravissimo stunt. I'm in a 32GG at the moment but I think the 32 might be a bit big round my back now I've lost the baby weight

Izzy I've been thinking similar about feeding on holiday. I might just whack a whole boob out and take a scarf.
I'm more concerned about going to watch DH play cricket. The season starts tomorrow and it's a long day and I'm feeling a bit dodge about feeding there. Think I'll just have to whop them out whilst spectating

Izzybuzzybuzzybees Fri 19-Apr-13 21:43:53

big I normally do the that but I know I'd be too hot abroad at least it better be too hot!!

cacacaz I've had a look at feeding covers but wasn't sure the best/easiest one to get. I don't have big muslins and thought maybe a cover would work better and be more fool proof boobproof even

clarella thanks for the zulily heads up. I ordered two hot milk bra and knicker sets :-)

Pikz Fri 19-Apr-13 21:44:34

I bought a padded bath mat with fishes on. LO lays on that and goes bonkers. He outgrew bath seat at 8 weeks.

VQ your DH is being a twat. Imagine life without wine gums and bacon. Twat. He definitely gets daddy led weaning

Fuck me banana poo is gross!

MissMummy1 Fri 19-Apr-13 21:45:14

VQ I am also sad about our sudden end to bf'ing here. I am rationalising it as the next step to weaning but I have cried more in the last week than I have in the last year. sad

I just told DP that if he became a vegan he would have to move into the garden. His response: "I eat vegans" hmm

MissMummy1 Fri 19-Apr-13 21:46:32

cacacaz I had to do numerous presentations on elements of child care as part of my degree. Prezi is your friend (google it, just tell them you are a student teacher and it's free!)

BigPigLittlePig Fri 19-Apr-13 21:51:23

Izzy I meant, could you not wear just a vest top, and when you need to feed, pull it down, but use a thin scarf to cover up? Nicer and less obvious than a muslin, I've found. Not at all envy at thought of being too hot. Today was lovely in the sun, our garden is proving to be quite the sun trap smile

TheDetective Fri 19-Apr-13 21:58:45

I put enough water so it is up to his ears to clean the bloody things out! GT. So probably about 3 inches? There are lots of those bath seats for when they can sit up on the facebook selling groups here. TBH I had one for DS1 and they were shit. He got his tidgy widgy jammed in the sodding thing. Didn't look comfy! I'm just going to get a bath mat, and he can splash freely!

VQ sorry he's being a cunt. Do you think he is being a cunt for a reason? Or is it his time of the month? I'm sure he'll get over it. I was veggie for a long time, but bacon always tempted me it was chicken wot dun it in the end!. I'd just tell him he will have to live on lentils. That you won't be cooking or buying separate meals for him. Tough shit!

Fucking hell PR. I think each quicher should send you a piece of bubble wrap. Then you can build a germ barrier for your house! Perfect! Seriously, illness needs to DO ONE NOW! Do you hear?!

Please don't all abandon me tomorrow. I will probably be here whinging about being tired. Whinging about my sore fanjo. But mostly worrying the fuck about leaving O for so long. Am sure he will be fine now. He loves MIL well her scarves and jumpers anyway! and you can see he recognises her. It will just be me. Feeling guilty. I've only ever left him for 2 hours.

Oh MM sad Does she definitely not want the boobs anymore?

TheDetective Fri 19-Apr-13 22:01:39

MM It is normal to cry. I cried for 2 days solid. But I made the right choice for me, and I knew that at the time. I probably cried over knowing it was the right decision too!!

It is hard, because we love the little sleep stealers so damn much, and every decision we make for them or they make for themselves! we wrack ourselves with guilt over.

Think of the wine and feel proud at what you have achieved!

Sympathies PR I had 6 months of recurring sinusitis. It's horrible. Can you lay with a hot water bottle on your face to help?

Oh yes MM Think of the wine and the dresses you'll be able to wear I've got 20 dresses cluttering my attic now envy

Elizadoesdolittle Fri 19-Apr-13 22:11:09

Ah msjones what a lovely thing to say, thank you. DD1 nearly had a meltdown on the way to the car but I managed to rescue the situation for a change. She was saying in the car she wants to see you again tomorrow and the first thing she said to DH was daddy, we met a lady with a new baby and a green pushchair. DH isn't inebriated and both girls went to bed no problems so a successful end to a lovely afternoon. Hope we can do it again. L is a little (well not so little now) treasure.

Hmmm just realised how bad the comment about DH being inebriated sounds...will only make sense to Msjupiterjones

Right, DH has E tomorrow so I had better get everything sorted for him. Hope you all have good nights.

Brockle Fri 19-Apr-13 22:18:54

I use feeding covers and love them for their easyness izzy but they may make your LO hot and they don't suit all babies. ds1 and 2 liked being under there but Y isn't as keen. try and get one off eBay and give it a go,.then you are not spending much if it doesn't work out.

look on the positive side vq, you will only be cooking for yourself, the girls and gorgeous J. your DH Is being a nob.

we still use a bath seat but it won(t be long before we get a bath mat so Y can lie down or sit in the bath. never had one of those sit up bath seats.

TheDetective Fri 19-Apr-13 22:18:58

Okay, so does such a thing exist? I want some knickers. Seamless knickers. But like cycling shorts (not as long though!). Basically something which will not have anything to rub on my scar. I've had to wear nothing on my bottom half all day. And I'm fed up of stuff rubbing on it the rest of the time.

I usually wear short type knickers anyway, but they are no help.

PetiteRaleuse Fri 19-Apr-13 22:22:51

detective o will be fine tomorrow.

And me? I can handle sinusitis. Better the germs get me than get the girls. It is so much easier when I am ill. Except the bastard flu back in March. That knocked me for six and made me incapable of parenting, but when the girls had it made them easy to parent iyswim..

Not that I want the bastard flu back. Or any of the other grubby bugs we've had.

Dandelions in the garden, spring is here and both girls have been healthy for, dare I say ot, more than a week. Rahhhh. Whoop. Yippee. Ouch my poor face.

horseylady Fri 19-Apr-13 22:25:03

Random fact for you, I hate bacon, and ham. Yuk. Never eaten gammon of lamb in my life. Been vege for years.

But just going vegan will not last. If he's cooking he'll soon get bored.

izzy I'd prob wait. Or start on holiday if you're doing blw.

Right he's in his own room!!!

PetiteRaleuse Fri 19-Apr-13 22:25:51

fatima that must have been awful. As I said yesterday, this pain is worse than when I broke my back and worse than the c sections. It is constant nasty face ache. Ugh.

horseylady Fri 19-Apr-13 22:26:55

detective have a look in m&s

horseylady Fri 19-Apr-13 22:29:35
TheDetective Fri 19-Apr-13 22:44:30

Something similar to that - but minus the seams. And shorter grin.

Will scour M&S! Thank you! I have a £25 voucher for M&S thanks for reminding me!

TheDetective Fri 19-Apr-13 22:46:32

Damn you M&S you can't claim to be seam free when there is obviously a fucking seam in the gusset. Twunts!

Detective I have some seamless ones from Debenhams, but then that have a little diamond of fabric sewn in to the gusset. I'll check them tomorrow though, see if they look like they'd rub

These are like the ones I have. Fugly but comfy

Or what about these

Kyzordz Fri 19-Apr-13 23:13:10

Evening all

I have read everything but am exhausted and need to try sleep in case ds starts talking to his frog again tonight

Sleepy dust to all x

Izzybuzzybuzzybees Fri 19-Apr-13 23:47:29

J has just been put in cot. Have swanky New baby monitor set up so maybe if I get to him quicker than usual he won't wake so much and settling will be easier!?!

He's ended up in our bed last two nights and I don't sleep well with him there and I pee loads so disturb him numerous times as well.

Have a friends 30th tomorrow so me and Mr buzzy going for dinner then on to that. Very excited, not for dinner or alcohol or seeing friends but the fact that my crazy parents are taking J and E overnight!!!!!!! J doesn't sleep and wakes loads and they're still taking them!! Complete nutters!! So I'm looking forward to going to bed and sleeping in a chunk rather than 2 hrs at a time!! Who wants to bed I demand to leave night out so I can come home to bed!!!??

LuisGarcia Fri 19-Apr-13 23:52:13

I bed you do

LuisGarcia Fri 19-Apr-13 23:53:15

hint, when you post the word bed instead of what you meant, you will

LuisGarcia Fri 19-Apr-13 23:56:06

unless you have a cold

LuisGarcia Fri 19-Apr-13 23:56:55

sorry, if you have a cold

StuntNun Fri 19-Apr-13 23:58:13

I'm intrigued PR, what is the French for shart?

I was right, Tesco here doesn't sell papayas so I will have to venture to the glamour of Sainsburys. J is sick a lot though so the pear, parsnip and papaya might be best for him when we start weaning in earnest.

MM it doesn't matter when you stop breastfeeding you will feel the same way. My DS2 self-weaned at 9 months, he just lost interest in milk. I tried to keep going for another week but he wasn't bothered. But it was for my sake that I persevered not his. And I remember being devastated about it.

Izzybuzzybuzzybees Sat 20-Apr-13 00:02:25

Oops Luis I meant bet honest!! But clearly I'm very much looking forward to bed!

LuisGarcia Sat 20-Apr-13 00:05:18

Bed bed bed, Izzy, bed bed bed bed! Bed bed BED! lolbed

Izzybuzzybuzzybees Sat 20-Apr-13 00:09:22

I'm away to bed now Luis I got sucked into most active!

Night night everyone!

LuisGarcia Sat 20-Apr-13 00:55:12

It was a joke post, not an imperative, you know that, right?

Ok, who wants to play words with friends with me? 14th virus at chez garcia in one month is boring. I am Luis g 2005 and will accept any incoming games

GTbaby Sat 20-Apr-13 02:23:00

Just as I finally fall asleep.
Waaaa waaaaa I want milk.


Thechick Sat 20-Apr-13 02:41:21

9 until 2.20!! Woohoo and now asleep again. Dh going to attempt transfer!!

Clarella Sat 20-Apr-13 03:08:12

grrrangry angry angry angry

dh been at award thing. they better have bloody won to be in at this time. lo gone all clingy n can't put down and it's my one and only night out tomorrow (not to mention I wanted to go to the training event in the day but my body has admitted defeat) sad I just want to be able to go out for a bit. dh isn't going ti be awake enough to give me a couple of hours from 5 angry angry angry

sodding architects. he's just fallen over.

Clarella Sat 20-Apr-13 03:09:33

lo will sleep on dream genie. it's going to have to do. must be reflux stuff again, he was a bit sicky today.

Izzybuzzybuzzybees Sat 20-Apr-13 04:24:05

I. Need. To. Sleep. Longer. Than. 1.5hrs!!

Kyzordz Sat 20-Apr-13 04:45:35

Evening all

I have read everything but am exhausted and need to try sleep in case ds starts talking to his frog again tonight

Sleepy dust to all x

Kyzordz Sat 20-Apr-13 04:50:30

Why the merry fuck is that reply there again?

Is there a 5 month cunting regression nobody told me about?

stunt now you've made me think of a list of words to ask pr about the French versions of. Childish ones like wobbly.

Tired. Tired tired tired and struggling to keep up with Fred. Suppose being awake at almost 5 bastarding am might help with that.

Sophiathesnowfairy Sat 20-Apr-13 05:44:19

I am so not keeping up.

Did anyone read the end of the teen x box flinging thread. I didn't read the responses but I read her updates pretty inspiring.

O is has woken the whole house.according to DH is because he slept much yesterday. How he knows this when he wasn't with him I don't know. No pointing saying anything as he has made his mind up. I just am nw praying for a massive fuck off tooth to transpire to prove him wrong.

I hope everyone is ok.

kirrinIsland Sat 20-Apr-13 06:26:12

I take a day out and come back to a whole new thread!

Not too bad here. n took ages to settle into her cot again but then slept 23.30 - 03.10 - 06.10. Might even get another hour or so out of her now!

I haven't caught up, sorry. Hope everyone is ok.

PurplePidjin Sat 20-Apr-13 06:33:29





Sorry, didn't have time to check in. Cacacaz you have pm but it may be completely irrelevant. Good luck!

Afaik, flopping one out is totally normal in Spanish countries. I live in vests/shirts so maybe big loose linen/silk/cotton would work?

Luis, i play. Will fr you

Donnadoon Sat 20-Apr-13 07:04:55

Sophia No I haven't read the end yet..off to have a look now...'twas good reading.

MissMummy1 Sat 20-Apr-13 07:14:30

8 - 1 then 1.30 - 6.30. If I'd known we would get these results, she would have been on formula 3 months ago!

QQ Those who bottle feed (and sorry if this has already been covered) when going out for the day what do you do? Take premade cartons? Ready made bottles to heat? Or just the powder in a bottle to add water too?

Also, do you make bottles up for the day in the morning? They can last 24 hours in the fridge, right?

Oh this is such a faff.

Slightly irrelevant but I need want a new changing bag. I love mine but it is too small, spesh now we are bottle feeding. Does anybody have a pacapod? Are they as wonderful as they look?

Hope everyone has a lovely weekend smile

Kyzordz Sat 20-Apr-13 07:14:49

Morning all. Making it my aim to keep up today so if I succeed you're all stuck with me i'm afraid!

Clarella Sat 20-Apr-13 07:16:00

bad mummy. sad lo slept a full 2 and half hours propped on dream genie. I know it's not right but he couldn't any other way. so I slept too. which is good but so bad sad

xbox thread is amazing!

Clarella Sat 20-Apr-13 07:17:51

wow mm! amazing! is that a special formula?

Jims Sat 20-Apr-13 07:41:07

mm i have a pacapod. I do love it but it doesn't hold that much stuff, mine's never shut and has muslins etc overflowing. Maybe i just take too much stuff though!

clarella f was on prophelactic antibiotics for 3 months as he had 2 infections when he was v little. He's had all his scans now and everythin was ok so he is off them now. Once they're over 3 months, they can have oral antibiotics for an infection rathe than go to hospital which i think they factor in. Although it's prob not what you want to hear, we've been struggling with thrush the whole time. Just tried fluconazole after he stopped antibiotics and still not cleared it from me. Am now hoping it might clear up a bit when he eats more and feeds less from me.

Another one here with a very shallow bath time. He loves splashing and wriggling. When he can sit up, i'll start doing the boys together.

kirrinIsland Sat 20-Apr-13 07:41:17

Same here mm We gone from waking up every 2 hours or so to once or twice a night!
I use cartons when out and about. Haven't ventured into making up bottles in advance yet. Guidelines say not to but I'm assuming it's fine if you chill quickly and store in back of fridge?

ValiumQueen Sat 20-Apr-13 07:53:42

Morning all x

J slept 8-6 so I did not have to give a night bottle thankfully. 30 hours since last feed, and I have cried a lot. End of an era, and ended far too soon for my liking, but he is so much better for it.

Great idea about the bacon. He says it is a conscience thing. He and his father were slaughterers. Perhaps he has a point.

ValiumQueen Sat 20-Apr-13 07:54:48

Breast feed obviously, before you call Social services.

ValiumQueen Sat 20-Apr-13 07:59:33

MM I make two bottles in advance and cool rapidly. If he were not on a special formula I would use the cartons when out and about as so much easier. I now have a swanky bottle jacket so will make bottle and keep it hot if going out. After 2 hours it was still over 70 deg so with my formula can still use if another 2 hours later.

Clarella Sat 20-Apr-13 08:01:38


Sophiathesnowfairy Sat 20-Apr-13 08:16:01

mm I take cartons or if the feed will be about 2 hours away I make up the feed fresh and put it in the warm compartment of my bag. I check it about 40 minutes before just incase it is still very hot.

I have a Koochu leather bag which is big, it has two warming compartments and different sections inside. As an example yesterday we went to get the girls and I got a bottle, a spare carton, spare pouch of purée incase of emergencies, nappies for two boys, spare clothes for one boy, wipes, bags, muslin, travel sickness tablets, tissues, hand alcohol, my purse, brush, and "the greedy girls diet" by Nadia Sawahla ALL in my bag. And it zipped up.

On the real meals and bottles the Sophia regime is

7am milk
8am porridge and fruit
10:45 milk ( which is getting smaller) followed immediately by puréed veg which is getting bigger
14:00 milk
16:00 puréed fruit and baby rice for bulkage
18:00 milk

It is difficult for us all to eat together at the mo but I don't think it's important till about 18 months, then I think it's really important. With all the others they would have their tea at 17:00 but they were at home with me and O is at nursery three days where they do tea at 16:00 so I thought I should stick to that and it's working ok.

Clarella Sat 20-Apr-13 08:16:40

jims thanks for your experience. I'm going to discuss it with the doc. was it trimethoprim? sadly I'm actually wondering whether formula at night will help wakenings - I know many say not but if you're getting some results kirrin and mm... which ones are you using?

I want to now introduce formula (would prefer nearer 6mo, he's only 19 wks ) as I can see it will actually preserve our bf relationship when I'm at work but I want him ti be used to it.

I just wanted the thrush to be gone as I know my breast milk will be helpful with that. plus the antibiotics will not be helping his tummy flora though I've been told it adapts to to low dose. however it might also give my nipples a break in the night!

fluconazole is helping me though with the cream.

well dh's practice (him and his mate) got commendation and dhs building at the big practice they used to be at won several awards. so probably being unreasonable. architects do find ways to have lots of drinks even in a recession when they're all skint. it's just that he said he wouldn't drink a lot as I've got my event this weekend and one and only night out tonight and he's going to have to be awake for lo.

Clarella Sat 20-Apr-13 08:17:31

Sophia and Matt change bags are pretty big mm

Lily311 Sat 20-Apr-13 08:18:28

MissMummy, I take a thermos with me, sterilised bottles and pre measured formula. I make up the feed wherever I am and ask for cold water in a cup to cool it down.

O slept all night,went down at 6.30, woke at 6. At 2.30 I went to see whether she was still breathing. She was.

My leaving drinks is tonight, first time I leave O with a babysitter. Eye eek

ChasingDaisy Sat 20-Apr-13 08:35:07

Not a great night here, O is feeling very sorry for himself after his jabs. He has had calpol but is still pretty whingy. His legs look sore bless him.

MM I use cartons when out and about, or like Sophia said, take a freshly made feed if I know it will be used within two hours.

I make up feeds twice a day - morning and evening, flash cool and keep them in the back of the fridge for no longer than 24 hours.

Passmethecrisps Sat 20-Apr-13 08:37:48


MM WHO also have guidance on making up bottles in advance so don't fret too much. Our routine is that right about now I sterilise and make up all 6 bottles that P has in 24 hours. I make them with boiling water then plunge into very, very cold water. I leave them there for 5 minutes before putting in the back of the fridge. My fridge has a supercool function which drops the temp very low so I stick it on that for an hour or so.

Today we are going out so I will make one bottle just before we go and pop it in the bottle jacket. I also always take a spare bottle with a powder dispenser. If we are still out I will ask the place to fill it with boiling water. I am a bit paranoid and always try to have a ready bottle with me

Were P not on special formula I would use the cartons. They are very handy indeed.

There is no doubt that FF does require more organisation and preparation than BF but you will settle into a routine which works for you. Might you be able to use pre-made formula for a few days just until you get your head around it all? They are expensive but we used them for a week or so until I could focus on developing a system for us.

horseylady Sat 20-Apr-13 08:39:02

mm I make up three bottles inthe morning then two bottles for night/first thing. If out, I take a bottle I've made then a ready made bottle it two. Depends what im doing. If I'm going to someone's house then ill just make up and take what I need and store in their fridge. I've always got a ready made bottle and sterilised teat in my bag (pacapod - get one!!!) just in case!!

There's so many bits in the pacapod I love it!!!

MadamGazelleIsMyMum Sat 20-Apr-13 08:43:34

Hello. Sorry to those having a shitty time / shitty DHs.

Rant alert.

Fucking nursery. Took S in yesterday with the 4 bottles he normally has between 0730 and 1700. Explained he had first of the day at 0515 and needs to be fed 3 hourly. Turned up to collect him. They had given him just 2 of the bottles all day. First at 1020 instead of 0830 Ish and second at 1430. Then they told me he hadn't "seemed himself". Er, no fucking shit, Sherlock. He's FUCKING HUNGRY.

I did get a sort of apology, but also a suggestion that I am over feeding him. They asked if i waited for him to cry for it (no,i dont) and said he had seemed ok, so they waited until he cried. I don't think I am overfeeding him, his weight gain is constant, and he's following the 50th, but after I left I started to really doubt myself.

And then, surprise surprise, we had a shitter of an evening and night.

Now, let me say, that I do love my nursery and the care the DC receive is excellent. And I know that my own routine cannot be followed to the letter in that setting. And once these settling in issues are ironed out, it will be fine. But I think I am really going to put my foot down and insist he is fed as I want him to be. Grrrr.

PurplePidjin Sat 20-Apr-13 09:12:09

Fucking hell, MadamG, ask them how often they go 4 hours without a sip of water angry if the think there's an over-feeding issue the should start by discussing it with you, not trying to starve a baby angry they should be grovelling and reviewing policies before you get on to SS!

Passmethecrisps Sat 20-Apr-13 09:14:45

Hmm madam that doesn't sound much good. I am a bit hmm at the idea that he should have to cry for milk. P, for example, might not cry for milk if she is busy and distracted. She can easily miss bottles just because she forgets she is hungry. I know nurseries will be busy and I would be accepting had they handed yu back one unused bottle because things slipped. I see nothing wrong with you giving them a schedule and expecting it to be stuck to within reasonable boundaries

MadamGazelleIsMyMum Sat 20-Apr-13 09:16:00

To be fair, in between feeds he was given porridge and pear, and food there is always accompanied by water in a sippy cup, so it's not that so much, more the disregarding of my request/instructions. I started to doubt myself but am just going to insist.

Clarella Sat 20-Apr-13 09:18:46

I'd be fuming madame. you gave your instructions and they should follow them angry

MadamGazelleIsMyMum Sat 20-Apr-13 09:22:47

Yes, I think one unused bottle is acceptable, if he has had food as well, and has been content. At the same age I would only send two bottles in with DD, but DS has always been more of a snacker. They may not have said wait for him to cry, they may have said do I wait for him to "ask" for it, but to my mind that is crying?

I think I was trying not to be unreasonably rigid about routine etc, so may not have been sufficiently clear. Although the room supervisor looked at my note to the keyworker and said that yes, she would have read that as needing a feed at x, and it shouldn't have been given at y.

As I say, I am happy with this nursery and the staff - the two looking after DS are the two who looked after DD at the same age, and she was very well cared for at all times. I think this is just some settling in / teething problems and I am glad I booked him in to start a few weeks before I go back to work, so these issues can be sorted before then, so I can concentrate on work when I am there. I think I just have to be more politely assertive about my instructions and expectations, and worry less about being a nuisance.

Passmethecrisps Sat 20-Apr-13 09:53:17

madam this will be me in a few months time! Getting the balance right is bound to be hard. You will probably find that things will be much smoother next week. I talk about P 'asking' for food but TBH the only person who recognises her ask is me. She has a very subtle little noise she makes when hungry. If we are at home and I miss it she will cry. If we are out and she is being entertained she will sometimes forget/give up. Which is why giving an actual schedule to be generally stuck to is sensible.

MadamGazelleIsMyMum Sat 20-Apr-13 10:13:37

On another note entirely, please could someone explain how no more than 6mouthfuls of porridge, and 4 of pear, most of which was spat out, can result in two enormous, stinky poos this morning?!

Pikz Sat 20-Apr-13 10:53:04

Madam I would like to know the same!

Pikz Sat 20-Apr-13 10:53:43

Right which pacapod is the best one?

Jims Sat 20-Apr-13 11:18:08

I have the napier in black/charcoal but it's purpley if you ask me. Chose that as DH is doing the last 3 months of mat leave and it's not really girlie. Ido love it, save for the non-pod sidebeing too small.

clarella yes it was trimethoprim. We gave it just before dreamfeed and he seemed ok on it. A friend had their daughter on it ages ago and she said she was really unsettled with it. She also had it as an adult and said it made her feel really sick. I'm still hanging on with bf as it can help to prevent utis. If it was wednesday i'd be swearing about the fact any dairy now has me running for the loo after i cut down massivelyto try and help clear thrush and with f's habit of puking. Sorry tmi!!

ValiumQueen Sat 20-Apr-13 12:53:51

I know I should not laugh, but DH has the runs today. It is so severe he left a trail up the stairs. DD2 has been giving him tips about how to go on the potty.

MM how are your boobs? I am sore and that is after dropping the one or two little snack sucks he was having. I am feeling a bit better today. I remember being utterly bereft when DD2 stopped feeding at 18 months. A big part of me is very relieved though as the difference in him is amazing, and feeding him was not the joy it was with the girls.

ValiumQueen Sat 20-Apr-13 12:58:30

I have changing bag envy.

MissMummy1 Sat 20-Apr-13 13:05:48

I have bought the pacapod napier. Found a bargainous one on eBay new with tags. Thanks all for advice.

VQ today is the first day I have been sore. But also the first day I haven't cried. The difference in her is bloody amazing. She has also stopped vomming all the time so I am wondering if YW's theory of some sort of intolerance is possible? I never imagined this would be so hard.

Thank you all for advice on bottles too. At the moment we are making up 3 in the morning and just taking the powder in a bottle when we are going out. Then making 2 at bedtime for her last feed and one night feed. Any other night feeds she is getting water. On average she is taking 30oz a day, is that about right?

Glad you're feeling better MM and that M is doing so well! If you're taking the powder in an empty bottle, make sure you measure that got water in a different bottle as if you just pour in to say the 5oz line, with the powder in first it won't actually be 5oz IYSWIM. If you measure it first then you can work out where you need to fill to for future bottles. Sorry if you already know this and I'm coming across as stating the obvious grin

Well it's DHs first cricket match today and M has been fab and let me get showered, dressed and even straighten my hair properly. Definitely need to go top shopping this week, tried on 3 before I could find one to fit my norkage in.
The cars going to look like a baby shop today with spare outfits, pjs, pram, toys etc to last her all afternoon and evening. A lot will be pack just incase but I don't want to get caught short in the event of a poonami or if it rains or drops cold

MadamGazelleIsMyMum Sat 20-Apr-13 13:30:28

Have a good time fatima - I haven't been to see DH play hockey since before DD was born. Partly because it is such a faff, but also is dangerous for spectators (flying puck can hurt!). I do miss watching him though.

Both DC asleep in bed with me. Debating a snooze myself, although I will pay for it at bedtime. DD doesn't really nap anymore, so if I fall asleep and we all have a decent nap, she'll be a proper sod later. Hmmmm.

ValiumQueen Sat 20-Apr-13 13:46:05

MM if it is an intolerance then you may find after a few days on formula things get worse. Do not look for things, but fore warned is fore armed. May also be best to stop solids for a week or two so if there is a problem, then you know it is the milk rather than something else.

ChasingDaisy Sat 20-Apr-13 13:57:19

MM 30oz sounds about right. From discussions on here it seems as though our babies take anything between 20 - 40oz a day. O is much nearer the 20oz end of the scale.

Izzybuzzybuzzybees Sat 20-Apr-13 14:52:51

1hr 10mins til I'm child free!!

fruitpastilles Sat 20-Apr-13 15:27:18

Luis I started a game with you earlier, no doubt you will thrash me smile

S has been a dream today, it's amazing what a bit of sun can do, we have been playing in the garden, I don't think she has seen the sun before! We have her first party tomorrow, my friends little boys 3rd birthday, it's a swimming party, I haven't taken her swimming yet I'm bricking it.
Question - I bought her one of those wraps and some short thingys that go over her swimming nappy just for extra protection, does she still need a swimming costume aswell?

Kyzordz Sat 20-Apr-13 16:12:39

30oz sounds fine mm smile

I also have changing bag envy!

Today is nice so far, lovely weather and we went into town to pick up e's milk. He hasn't slept much but is being good still so far anyway!

Kyzordz Sat 20-Apr-13 17:24:09

Everyone else busy? I'm watching iron man 2, Eric is asleep finally, wish I was, though it's a good film!

Have a good time fatima smile forgot to say that before

ValiumQueen Sat 20-Apr-13 17:39:04

So is it only me and pass with babies on Nutramigen (and detectives on LF) <<wonders if it is something in the water>> yw would be using it for sure. <<wonders if it is something in the haggis>>

StuntNun Sat 20-Apr-13 17:54:21

J just downed an 8 oz bottle of EBM and is now bfing as if starving! Where does he fit it all in?

fruitpastilles Sat 20-Apr-13 18:24:10

Just giving S her last bottle before bed then its chill out time for me. Dp is downstairs watching a load of shite rubbish so I'm gonna starfish on the bed and have the telly to myself. When did my Saturday nights become so bloody boring?

Jims Sat 20-Apr-13 18:27:53

I confess i used vouchers from my credit card cashback to get my pacapod. We had the boots free one for ds1 as we were spending every spare penny doing up our house at the time. This was my treat to myself.

I do like the sun being out. It's been a long time coming.

BigPigLittlePig Sat 20-Apr-13 18:33:45

fruit F just wore a swim nappy when I took her - two different public pools, both quite happy with no wrap/costume etc not sure they'd have been happy if she'd poonamied

Sorry to hear of babies abandoning boobies - hope the confusing world of ff becomes a bit easier soon for you, mm. I wouldn't have the first clue what to do, not a scooby. I mentioned this to dh, who said something along the lines of, don't worry about sterilising/cooling etc, never did it with A and she's fine hmm I pointed out that he was lucky and that we wouldn't be adopting that approach with F my pfb

We bought a sunhat today. It is like a strawberry. If I had begun ovulating again I would have dropped an egg for certain at the side of F wearing it.

MissMummy1 Sat 20-Apr-13 18:36:56

I couldnt justify buying a pacapod at full price. I paid £50 for it off ebay inc postage with the rest of my birthday money. It's new with tags and better last longer than my skip hop bag. The buckle on it keeps unclicking. I think I have weakened it by overloading it. blush

I am feeling very domesticated just now! Have blitzed my kitchen (think steaming every square inch, cleaning cupboards, organizing jars and spices in alphabetical order ) while M snoozed then cooked a sweet potato and chicken curry for dp and I while the small one banged a wooden spoon on her bumbo tray. Used up all the sweet potatos and made some food cube purees for the freezer. Just need DP to get ashore so I can eat!!

I also managed to express a few ounces off a very sore full boob. The main reason for switching to formula asides from M's point black refusal to feed from me was my inability to express!! I think I will keep expressing a little each day and use it to make baby rice/porridge etc. She also took some from a sippy cup. Just until my supply fully dries up. Am I clutching at straws and being stupid here?!

fruitpastilles Sat 20-Apr-13 18:43:39

Thanks BP I might not bother putting the wrap on her then either, it's a tiny bit big and I think it might rub her neck.

MM that curry sounds lovely, my tummy is rumbling now...... Think it'll be a quick and easy dinner tonight for us think child like as in super noodles and chips grin

BigPigLittlePig Sat 20-Apr-13 18:47:39

We had pidjs curry, nom nom. It's now dhs fave curry! We sat out in the sunshine in the garden to eat.

F has been so unsettled since her jabs, bloody reflux is playing up again, and she doesn't want to be put down. She at least had a good sleep on me this afternoon in front of Mary Poppins.

ChasingDaisy Sat 20-Apr-13 18:48:39

I have a very sad baby today, he seems to be in a whole world of pain sad. He has sore post - jab legs and I have just realised that he is also teething. Not sure how I missed the signs, but I thought he was just in pain from his jabs. He has a bright red cheek, enough dribble to sink a ship, hot feeling gums and when he bit his teether he screamed in pain and cried real tears sad

Stupid question o'clock: O is very interested in food and watches us eat intently. He can also sit up well whilst supported slightly and can pick up things and put them in his mouth. He is 20.5 weeks and I am planning to start weaning with purees in a few weeks, but I really want to give him some food to nom on to see how he takes to it. Is cucumber ok? Do I take the skin off?

YellowWellies Sat 20-Apr-13 19:24:10

VQ dairy intolerance goes hand in hand with Viking and slavic genes apparently, For us it definitely comes from the polish side of my family.

PurplePidjin Sat 20-Apr-13 19:33:17

Considering my cooking consists of "chuck stuff in the pot and bubble till soft", how on earth did i get credited with a curry recipe?? confused

YellowWellies Sat 20-Apr-13 19:53:03

MM glad to hear Tilly's up chucks have stopped and that she's back to a human amount of sleep. I always thought there might be an intolerance - probably not dairy if she's handling formula (though it can take time) the other most common allergens are eggs, wheat, nuts and caffeine. I've yet to meet a baby who's night sleep consists of minutes rather than hours - where there isn't something like an intolerance bothering them.

Hope you're feeling better about FF. One thing I wanted to say yesterday - I think rather than saying that your milk supply was causing the fussiness - your DH needs to be giving you a damn big pat on the back. Of the 81% of pregnant women who want to EBF less than 1% make it to 6 months - of your age group - even less. YOU HAVE DONE AN AMAZING JOB xxxxxxxx

MaMaPo Sat 20-Apr-13 19:56:28

Lovely to hear that the sun is doing everyone some good.

In like bplp, not the first idea about FFing. People mentioned 4-6 bottles being made up - how frequently do your ff babies feed? We can go anywhere between 8-12 feeds here.

Very tearful baby here today. The cry was just like the one she did after her jabs so I'm pretty sure it's pain. Teeth, most likely. Poor poppet has had some calpol and has just fallen asleep in my arms. She's so goddamn cute.

Oops - I wrote this post over an ago, and only pressing post now! No doubt you've all gabbed for 3 pages in the meantime.

Evilwater Sat 20-Apr-13 20:05:40

Hello everyone! Such a good boy!
Such a good day grin. Went to great nana's, he behaved wonderfully grin, and showed off too. She loved him, and I'm glad he lights up her week.
Then we went to the woods, where he had his first feel of grass on his feet with the sunshine.grin He had a snooze in the pram, then we went to the park, and watched the other climbing the equipment.grin
He's went to bed, without all the fuss of yesterday.

But he's awake now sad

Passmethecrisps Sat 20-Apr-13 20:07:50


Sorry to hear of poorly babies. Poorly is rubbish.

Is that right YW? That is amazing! What an astonishing figure.

My dad has a CMPI. Not that he knows it. I had a conversation with him that went like this:
Me: docs think P has a CMPI. They asked if anyone in the family has one.
Dad: oh! <looks astonished> <looks quizzically at my mum> <mum looks quizzically back> <both shrug shoulders> Nope. Noone.
Me: <raises eyebrows> you do you fool!
Dad: no ah dinnae. Ah dinnae hae onae allergies. Ah just dinnae like it.
Me: why don't you like it?
Dad: <screws up face and shudders> oh! It gaes me terrible guts. Pain's terrible!

But not in intolerance! Oh no!

Passmethecrisps Sat 20-Apr-13 20:11:51

mama p has 6 bottles between 7am and 10:30pm. So actually most of her bottles are taken within 12 hours of being made. She is now erring towards 5 bottles in a day.

And the swaddle weaning went really well - don't fear the loss of the swaddle mama

Evilwater Sat 20-Apr-13 20:22:23

So many questions about bottles!
Erm... n had one at 8, 10:30 ish, 1, 3, 5 ish, last at bedtime. Sometimes a bottle at 11, and/or 2 ish.

I used to make then all up and pop then at the back of the fridge. I'd take them out when needed. When going out, Id pop them in the bag and warm then up in hot water.

I've always kept a carton of milk, in the car and one in the bag. Just incase!

Sorry to hear about the poorly/ naughty babies.

Sophiathesnowfairy Sat 20-Apr-13 20:25:48

Am sitting peacefully. Boys asleep. Girls engrossed in Diary of a Wimpy Kid.

Heart in mouth moment when I popped out of the room leaving my ebay open on handbags (purely mm s fault since her pacapod ebay win made me want a to buy a new bag) and I came back to the girls going "William's on Pay Pal" £544 on fucking Radley bags he was spending. shock I actually had to go to check out before I could find a cancel button. That will teach me. (The bags had a picture of a woman walking a dog in multi coloured leather not really my bag.)

Then when I checked my emails later I had one about my ebay invoice.......help. But it was only £4.90 for. My listing the other week. <wipes sweat from brow>

PetiteRaleuse Sat 20-Apr-13 20:26:05

Am a bit ill today with the antibiotics.

Re sterilising stuff. I thought from 6 months washing in hot soapy water is enough as they stuff everything in their mouths anyway. LO grabbed and sucked on the dog's ear today for example ugh

DD1 watching BGT is more entertaining than the show itself. She's imitating each performer.

Night all.

MaMaPo Sat 20-Apr-13 20:33:45

pass your dad grin

Thanks about the swaddle. Does your LO have a bedtime signifier, like music or anything? One thing I think we need is a signal to C that its bedtime. She definitely becomes more sleepy as soon as she's swaddled, and I don't want to lose that! Have been giving her a monkey lovey toy when she sleeps in the pram, maybe that will work. I tried her one arm out for a nap today, she did ok but needed rocking to fall asleep anyway. Her self-soothing has gone out the window sad

fruitpastilles Sat 20-Apr-13 20:38:49

mama S has 4 bottles a day, 7,11,3 and last one at 6:30 before bed.

I've just heard her sneezing, I hope she doesn't wake up with it, can babies have hay fever? She's been in the garden today and dp cut the grass this morning and she has sneezed quite a bit today, she doesn't have a runny nose or eyes though.

pr I thought it was until 1 year that you had to sterilise, although thinking about it my cousin told me that and she has OCD so maybe she was just being extra cautious? I forgot to sterilise Sinead's spoon before I gave her her baby rice this morning, oops!

ChasingDaisy Sat 20-Apr-13 20:42:21

O puts EVERYTHING in his mouth. Sterilising seems a bit pointless hmm Obviously I do sterilise his bottles and sippy cup but I do wonder why sometimes.

MsJupiterJones Sat 20-Apr-13 20:43:06

Pass I have just tried to read that conversation with your dad to DH. I don't think I did the accent justice blush

VQ L is on Nutramigen AA.

StuntNun Sat 20-Apr-13 20:45:51

Just my opinion MM but you may want to keep your milk supply going for a couple of weeks. You may find that after you've had a little break from all the stress and lack of sleep you have been going through that you find you want to give bf one last go. My perception is that ladies on this thread who had to stop bfing for one reason or another have had emotional times of it and may have appreciated a second chance at it. Otoh if in a couple of weeks your view is ff is brilliant why didn't I switch sooner, then you can stop completely, certain that it's the right decision for you. Just my two cents, feel free to ignore!

DH is in a bad mood. hmm DS2 has had his bottom smacked and DS1 is crying in bed about something. I think I might stay in bed with J for a bit to hide while he finishes his feed.

StuntNun Sat 20-Apr-13 20:48:08

Babies can't have hayfever Fruit bit she could have been irritated by particulates in the air. We don't have to worry about hayfever until next year at the earliest.

Evilwater Sat 20-Apr-13 20:50:33

When he's 7 months ill stop washing the bottles in boiling water. The only reason I've carried on is N was early.


PetiteRaleuse Sat 20-Apr-13 20:57:23

Here the guidelines are possibly different. Might be one year in the UK but when so much is going into the mouth anyway and also meat and proper dairy being introduced with all that involves I'm not sure what the logic would be.

PetiteRaleuse Sat 20-Apr-13 20:59:14

I will be stopping in the next week or so anyway.

BigPigLittlePig Sat 20-Apr-13 21:02:34

I thought sterilising was so that germs were less likely to breed in the milk then once made up. May be totally wrong though. On the rare occasions F has ebm, I just wash the bottles in hot soapy water, then the milk goes from sterile milk bag into clean bottle and she drinks it straight away. Just sterilise every so often to ward off <whispers> thrush. Bleurgh.

ChasingDaisy Sat 20-Apr-13 21:09:10

pig I think you're right about the milk thing.

Detective how did today go?

Passmethecrisps Sat 20-Apr-13 21:14:24

I thought sterilising was until 6 months. I think I will sterilise bottles for a while longer - it's the teats I worry about. Other stuff I won't bother. P grabbed the cat's back paw and had in almost in her mouth before any of us - even the cat - noticed!

JJ I am sure your accent made it hilarious!

Has anyone on here used domperidone to up milk supply? Apparently it is commonly used.

fruitpastilles Sat 20-Apr-13 21:15:19

Thanks stunt I suffer quite badly with hay fever, that's what made me wonder.

Passmethecrisps Sat 20-Apr-13 21:16:16

What's the difference between nutramigen Lipl and nutramigen AA? P is on Lipl.

TheDetective Sat 20-Apr-13 21:26:40

I will sterilise til 1 year. But only milk stuff. So bottles. Everything else like bowls and spoons won't be.

Milk = germ breeding ground! Plus I don't trust DPs washing up hmm.

YellowWellies Sat 20-Apr-13 21:33:57

AA is the most extreme hypoallergenic of the neutramagen formulas its amino acid based (I'm not sure if its ever even seen a cow)- the dietician said it would be the only formula suitable for Captain Reflux but its so odd (all babies on it have green diarrhoea) and a bit far out science kit that I'm wary of using it. He will be going on it at one though so I can eat again blush She said we'd likely need to add krusha strawberry syrup to even get him to touch it!!! shock

MsJupiterJones Sat 20-Apr-13 21:35:12

AA stands for Amino Acid, tbh I don't really know the difference exactly but afaiaa the AA one has the proteins broken down as much as possible. We have a review mtg on Thurs just before he turns 6 months.

TheDetective Sat 20-Apr-13 21:36:08

Chasing I really enjoyed it. Got stuck in to the debates. It also turns out I am semi famous in the local midwifery world hmm blush. My homebirth plans caused ripples. Apparently there was a lot of scared midwives behind the scenes, but also a lot of debate. And that since me, other women have made similar choices, and the midwives have been much more open minded and supportive.

Power to the people!

But, I was among like minded midwives. And it is refreshing. DP said I was with the other rebels. grin He's right though!

Very interesting debate on media, and how powerful advertising is to new mothers. I'm tired, but if I wasn't, I'd go in to it more on here, because it would be very interesting to us all!

I found I didn't have chance to miss O. But my ass is on fiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiire. Am camped out on sofa, lay on side, sans underwear! Ouch. sad

O was delighted to see me when I picked him up. He was up at 6am this morning, and slept for 3 half hour stints all day. Can't say I'm too happy about that! He better not cut down on his naps by that much!! Still, he's gone to bed okay....

I'm hitting the sack myself. Soon!

MsJupiterJones Sat 20-Apr-13 21:44:59

YW it certainly hasn't caused diarrhoea here, quite the opposite. I have to over-dilute the formula just to prevent him going completely solid. But they certainly are a delightful shade of avocado green grin

Tastes and smells foul but he guzzles it and is thriving.

ValiumQueen Sat 20-Apr-13 21:50:41

I will sterilise bottles to 1 year whilst on formula. Longer if he needs px formula longer. Due to the bugs in the milk.

JJ of course! How could I forget? blush

Passmethecrisps Sat 20-Apr-13 21:55:02

Oh mama I forgot to answer.

P has a Ewan the dream sheep which is played on harp. She has been in a sleeping bag for day naps since she was about 6 weeks old though so I wonder if it might take a bit longer for your LO. I started giving P a jelly cat sheep to hold for day naps - she rubs it on her face. She also has a dummy. So, in answer to your question, she has quite a lot of sleep cues. I am not convinced any of them work as well as the swaddle ever did but in fairness she has been swaddled since birth and in the sleeping bag a few days. It will take time. Remember I also moved p into her own room in the cot at the same time as stopping swaddling so she had a lot to contend with. I now shoosh pat to almost asleep just because I think she needs a wee hand establishing the room and cot with sleep.

She LOVES going in the cot and gets all excited wiggling about. I think she needs help learning that the cot is for sleeping.

YellowWellies Sat 20-Apr-13 21:58:13

JJ that's so good to hear I'm terrified of going onto it as have never heard anyone say a good thing about it. Am v relieved that it can work like a charm smile that's made me much happier about 'le grande prize the enfant off the boobies' challenge come his first birthday grin

ValiumQueen Sat 20-Apr-13 21:59:04

The Lipil is for intolerance. The AA is for severe intolerance or multiple allergies. I am very grateful J just has a mild intolerance.

ValiumQueen Sat 20-Apr-13 22:03:22

YW apparently something happens to their taste buds at around 7 months, so they are more likely to accept Nutramigen before then. J took a while to be persuaded, but hunger won out. He is now taking around 40oz a day. At a year old, milk is less important so I would think most of the nutrients he would need could be given in other foods?

BigPigLittlePig Sat 20-Apr-13 22:04:52

I suspect the AA is similar to the potion sludge they give people with severe bowel problems in adult life - basic nutrients in their simplest form ("elemental diet"). It is pretty unpalatable, so I'm told. Most adults can't stick to it and end up getting tube fed with it.

I'm trying to build a wigwam for F, I've done 2 sides tonight. If I can make 1 side every night it should be done in a week. Which means our summer will probably be over by this time next week haha.

MsJupiterJones Sat 20-Apr-13 22:14:08

I can imagine it might be harder to take once babies are a bit older and have tasted the finer things in life but not impossible.

YW maybe just give him horrible food till he's one? <helpful>

horseylady Sat 20-Apr-13 22:20:49

*Mm 40-50oz a day here. Plus solids. He's on a growing mission. I'm watching him grow daily.

Sterilising for a year here too. Just because of nasty bugs. Like pass its the teats etc which concern me.

TheDetective Sat 20-Apr-13 22:29:09

Oh my fucking god. I am a prize numpty.

Random woman talking to me today. Clearly knew me. I couldn't place her, but I figured she must work where I had O, as she was asking about him, and how old he is now. Another woman who I did know worked where I had him was asking when I was going back to work. Explained I am due back in 8 days, but I won't be able to resume because of an unhealed epis. This woman says, oh can't you just continue your mat. leave? Explained due to finances, I couldn't. So she says, well just resume and take sick leave, but don't say I said that.

I've just fucking twigged. She's the head of fucking midwifery. blush blush blush.

And she is the one who I sent that letter to, complaining about the homebirth and lack of support?! Remember?! OH GOD GROUND OPEN UP AND SWALLOW ME.

Will never get a job there now will I? She clearly knew just who the fuck I was!

It's a small pissing world when it comes to midwives.

Clarella Sat 20-Apr-13 23:34:54

catch up later..... been out..... return...... open bottle of formula on side......hmm

Clarella Sun 21-Apr-13 00:00:35

ah lo refused bottle confused

Lily311 Sun 21-Apr-13 00:26:53

I went out. It was my leaving do. Had so much fun and I am tipsy. O behaved well, woke for a feed at 11 but went back to sleep straight after. I will miss my friends. So much.

LuisGarcia Sun 21-Apr-13 01:29:55

May I clear my throat and recognize you have all been through more than this but ask your indulgence for a moment with a wwyd with my knees?

MaMaPo Sun 21-Apr-13 01:44:25

Wwyd away Luis. smile

Shit night here, made worse by knowledge that husband is having a grand old time pissing it up in Scotland on a stag do.

LuisGarcia Sun 21-Apr-13 01:44:43

Stand up. Put your left elbow in your right hand and your right in your left. Bend your knees slightly. Ski.

That's how L goes to sleep. Every 2 hours during the day and as long as it takes as many times as it takes at night. I basically have a skiing injury to my mcl that gets aggravated every two hours, 24 hours a day. I know the long term solution is fixing her sleep, but short term, cocodamol was working and my gp agreed and gave me "a bucketload of it". It's less and less effective. wwyd?

PurplePidjin Sun 21-Apr-13 02:53:43

Diclofenac, Luis ? Also, get a decent support bandage to keep it warm.

Random extra hour on the first stretch, hurrah!

Bryzoan Sun 21-Apr-13 02:55:16

Hello all - it's been a while - keep catching up. But running out of steam or time before posting.

Luis - you know the answer yourself I think. Your kids need you without fucked knees. So from a completely non selfish perspective you have to stop using a technique that is breaking you. I am sure you have tried everything though and so there is no easy fix. I am lucky in that if I cuddle g after a feed and he is snoozy he will often drop off with bottom patting (especially now I have cut dairy and he seems more comfortable).

Thinking about it, and at risk of sounding like yw / vq is it worth mrsg trying cutting dairy for a bit to see if it helps? Wouldn't be easy being veggie I'm sure but it might be worth a shot? L does sound particularly unsettled.

Either way It will be hard enough for your knees to heal when you aren't sleeping without you doing stuff that you know aggravates them. Pack it in.

On a separate note - how did J get on at nursery? Been thinking of him.

Yw - not sure I got round to thanking you re weaning advice. Sorry - and thank you. That is really helpful.

Mm well done on the feeding in every way. You are a superstar.

Det I am so sorry your bits are still in pieces and so sore. I am sure the head of midwifery will have understood - the fact that you made it to the training shows your level of professional commitment so I wouldn't worry too much.

Hugs to everyone who is struggling. Wishing you all a lovely sleepy Sunday.

Passing - I loved your rant re good babies. It made me howl with laughter - that question infuriates me and I will have to use that response though maybe I'll have to restrain myself when mil's friends ask or she will never speak to me again.

MaMaPo Sun 21-Apr-13 04:32:33

^ what she said, luis.

Man, we are just awake every hour tonight, aren't we little C? Hats off to those of you who get through this regularly - before now she's only been like this maybe once a week. I am crossing everything this is just a blip again, not the start of something.

Can't stop thinking about conversation with NCT friend - she is in a bit of a bubble with her very routine FF baby - the look she gave me when I said c sleeps quite well and described 2-3 night feeds. She was aghast - hers sleeps 11 hours. I know I shouldn't compare but fuck me. 11 hours! I'd be a different person.

How many more wakes until we're up for good, I wonder?

ValiumQueen Sun 21-Apr-13 04:38:37

Luis, as Bry says you ideally need to stop doing this and find another way of achieving the same end. I would tackle the sleep using techniques to help LO self settle. In the meantime as PP says diclofenac is good. I would use the suppositories as much more effective and does not hurt your tummy. A support bandage may also help, but these things will only allow you to damage yourself further. Do you and MrsG share the nights and settling duties?

First waking, and first night bottle. This is why I breast feed. Baby cries, leg it downstairs, wait for microwave which takes so long compared to daytime. Mix in meds, leg it upstairs. Baby pissed off as never had to wait that long and wants soft warm boob not sodding plastic teat. Baby drinks 7 oz, mummy worries about over feeding, is toddler awake and ransacking, did I shut the stair gate, the fridge, will baby think it is morning. Settles baby, checks on everything, catches up on thread ( usually done while feeding but impossible with bottle) prays night feeds do not last long. Resents vegan DH who is fast asleep through all this. I know. I should have woken him to get bottle, but sadly this would be even more stressful.

Boob very sore. Still sad about feeding.

Should not grumble as J slept 8 hours and my knees are fat but fine.

StuntNun Sun 21-Apr-13 05:55:33

There's loads you can do Luis. Firstly, pain relief and anti-inflammatories - Ibuprofen if you can't take anything stronger but a NSAID would probably make a big difference. Try heat packs, cold packs, Deep Heat to help with the pain. Does a hot bath help? Then rest and recovery - okay not so easy with two LOs to run after but you do need to avoid it getting any worse. You will need to start exercises to maintain your mobility and to strengthen the joint. In your position I would see a physiotherapist. You may be able to get a referral on the NHS. If you go private you can always go just once to get it assessed and get some exercises to do.

I suspect J is awake for the day. hmm Doesn't he know it's Sunday?

issimma Sun 21-Apr-13 06:41:23

Oh sweet lord, how will I ever keep up with this speedy thread?
DS still hourly feeds through the night, won't be put down and refuses the bottle BUT the sun is shining and DH is home so am just about coping feeling fine.

Thechick Sun 21-Apr-13 06:44:23

I'm not sterilising any of H's stuff. We use formula milk for his baby porridge but just washing in hot water. I thought it was 6 months too!!
Pass I used domperidone and it worked well whilst I was on it, but my prescription was for a certain amount of time and once I stopped my supply dropped, but I dont think that happens with everyone. I'm using fenugreek and its working well. It did stop working for a little while but it's all fine now.

ValiumQueen Sun 21-Apr-13 06:49:39

Morning all. J woke for day at 6.30 so I dumped him on Daddy and have come back to bed. He is not at all hungry after his feast at 4am.

I have a 3 yo. Who is still asleep. Off to ikea today for her birthday treat as she wants to go in the crèche with her sister and we need to buy her main gift - she has the bottom half of their kitchen, so she is getting the top half. She also has some books and a new lunch box from us. And a tea party with GPs this afternoon. A bought cake for the first time ever - a caterpillar. She chose it.

Happy Birthday to chunky chick too!

ValiumQueen Sun 21-Apr-13 06:50:36

Creche! Fucking app!

PurplePidjin Sun 21-Apr-13 06:51:37

MaMa she sounds like one to avoid, except then you'd miss the entertainment value of her second child hmm

Luis do i smell? Sent you a fr on fb aaaaaages ago sad

VQ i think I'd kick him anyway. Or at least turn the monitor up, bump into stuff, slam the door etc.

We were up for the day at 5:45. But it's sunny, and i don't actually feel sick with tiredness yet. So it's all good smile

ValiumQueen Sun 21-Apr-13 06:53:46

The chick, you are bf though. The only things to sterilise past 6 months are bottles for ff, if at all.

PurplePidjin Sun 21-Apr-13 06:53:50

Re bf supply, oats are meant to be good. Unfortunately dp has interpreted that as needing to feed me porridge not hobnobs...

Pikz Sun 21-Apr-13 07:02:44

Morning campers! Up for day at 6.10 but I won't moan as he went down at 7.30pm.

The sun is shining, luis get some ibroprofen and diclofenic and rest, ice, elevation! I know least practical with 2 to run after.

VQ I too would have bumped into everything and turned monitor up!

Excited about watching marathon, can't believe it's 3 years since I ran it!

Thechick Sun 21-Apr-13 07:03:41

That's what I was thinking *VQ. But I wasn't sure about the container we mix the formula milk in for the porridge. It's only in there for such a short amount of time I'm sure it's okay.

Pikz Sun 21-Apr-13 07:03:51

Oh and I'm sterilising to a year because I'm scared the bastard thrush may come back otherwise and I am rather attached to my Milton bucket!

ValiumQueen Sun 21-Apr-13 07:11:04

The chick, that would be fine as porridge is heated enough to kill any bugs. If you were making an amount to say mix with purees through the day, then I would make up in a sterilised pot and keep in fridge.

issimma Sun 21-Apr-13 07:36:23

We sterilised til 6mo with ff dd. We have a steam steriliser and I got hmm about taking bottles from steamy dishwasher to put them in more steam.

katkit1 Sun 21-Apr-13 07:55:09

StuntNun - I am very glad not to have felt the pressure to give myself a 2 week break and restart painful breastfeeding 3.5 months of almost constant thrush made me very glad when I finally decided to be kind to myself and stop.

Lily311 Sun 21-Apr-13 07:55:18

I have the self sterilising bottles, will do it As long as I feel like. No time limit here. But i don't and won't sterilise anything else.

O was an absolute superstar and woke at 6.20. I read my card this morning and burst into tears, my friends are awesome. They also gave me a voucher for a return flight for O and me to come back and see them at one point. So so grateful.

lois your post made me realise that I am extremely lucky to have a baby who loves her cot and as soon as she lies in it, she wants me to be gone. I put her down, say night night and shut the door.

Another one with sore boob here. Gave up breast feeding 4 days ago and my left boob leeks, big time. O just rubbed her head against it and I have a huge wet patch.

Bryzoan Sun 21-Apr-13 07:55:57

Knew I had forgotten something. Happy birthday chunky and vq's dd. Vq it sounds like you have a lovely day planned for her. Hope you feel up to enjoying it too. I am sure she will love her caterpillar cake. It sounds like you are having a crapper of a time at the moment and I am sorry you are feeling so sad about the bf. Curse these sensitive tums. also curse dh's who won't help effectively at night - especially vegan ones.

My dh got no brownie points last night either - I was up 5 times including now for the day with g, and dd woke twice. Both times I asked him to go to dd he argued about it. Bearing in mind I am in the spare rm with g this means I either have to shout through a wall over g's head - or get up to kick him. Neither is ideal...

MadamGazelleIsMyMum Sun 21-Apr-13 08:27:04

VQ my DD has the IKEA kitchen, it is an amazing toy, can keep her occupied for hours. Although DH has to conquer his kitchen related OCD when she plays with it - I once caught him trying to tell her she can't pan fry a plastic carrot. FFS. grin

The weather is amazing here today. We are going to wash the car (DD thinks helping to do this is a treat comparable to how some children treat Disneyworld) and then try and tidy up our extremely tiny garden.

PetiteRaleuse Sun 21-Apr-13 08:47:36

But from six months aren't people going to use cows' milk to cook food like porridge? Or are those guidelines different here too? Here cows' milk is used for cooking from 6months and to drink from 18 months though some doctors say three years as that is when gut reaches maturity, but I personally think those doctors are in the pay of ff manufacturers. Like a lot of Drs seem to only prescribe drugs made by certain labs. Do Drs in the UK get lobbied by drug manufacturers too?

LO had a bit of buttered toast this morning. Literally sucked a little of it into a mush and ate that, then threw the rest at the dog. I have to make some more purees today, we are running low.

This afternoon we are taking DD1 to the airport to watch the planes. hmm

Kyzordz Sun 21-Apr-13 09:28:05

Morning, happy birthday chunky & vq's dd smile

Shit night last night, ds full of snot

horsey erics bottles are the same times as etienne's So I might try feeding him food at a similar time too to see if it works for us. If I try feeding food halfway through a bottle he just isn't interested and if it's too close to a bottle he seems to get frustrated. I have been feeding him solids an hour before his Bottle both morning and afternoon. He still hates afternoon foods, Is much more enthusiastic about breakfast. So far he's not really dropping any milk feeds, though he only had 5oz last night at df

My keeping up yesterday failed miserably sad

StuntNun Sun 21-Apr-13 09:29:02

Katkit your reasons for stopping bf are completely different to MM though. From MM's posts it sounds to me like she is conflicted about switching to ff so I was just suggesting a gradual approach to switching. It is an emotive subject and I think it is very easy to be left with a residual guilt for years afterwards, especially when you have another child and it all comes back to you.

horseylady Sun 21-Apr-13 09:49:46

pr guidelines here are cook with cows milk after 6 months and as a main drink from 1 year. Under nhs I think drug companies to individual drs is less than to the higher board who buys in.

I'm going to sterilise bottles probably for a year, but def beyond 6 months. Mainly due to the teats. But if I'm doing them, I may as well do the whole bottle. The rest I'm not worried about.

kyz works for us, though remember he's younger than e, so may just need more time. Why not just give breakfast ATM then introduce dinner again next weekend? It's taken me by surprise how he's suddenly increasing the amount if solid food he eats!!!

MissMummy1 Sun 21-Apr-13 09:59:54

Oh crap sorry if I have offended anyone. I have nothing against ff, I am just sad that M made the decision for us by refusing me now. I am able to express a small amount so I will keep giving her that in her baby porridge and rice and in a few weeks if she stops fighting me maybe mix feed?

That said, I did enjoy an extremely strong coffee this morning and I am looking forward to a large glass of wine next time we go out blush

katkit1 Sun 21-Apr-13 10:01:52

God willing these babies will be with us for a life time - let's let go of guilt re: ff or bf

Passmethecrisps Sun 21-Apr-13 10:06:02

Why would you have offended anyone mm? Everyone has their own journey. I don't think anyone on this quiche feels offended when a BF feels sad/upset/angry/relieved all at once at BF coming to an end. Continuing to express to maintain supply if you like or stop. Both will have advantages and disadvantages.

Thechick Sun 21-Apr-13 10:07:26

I'm a bit worried about giving H too much solid food. We had a few bad nights at the start and I think it was because he ate too much. Horsey do you feed until he lets you know he's done? I might try that again now that his belly is prob a bit bigger. Kyz that's interesting that its the time of day rather than the food he doesn't like.

Any idea how I can get M to sleep longer than 2.5/3 hours at a time? I'm absolutely exhausted.
She used to go 5 or 6, sometimes 8 hours but presumably sleep regression has well and truly done her. She's been doing it about two weeks or so and I think sleep regression coincided with moving to the cot.

Last night she woke at 1:15 and I was so tired that when I started feeding her sleep was blending in to awake and I was having wierd thoughts and felt a bit ill. Don't think that helps my anxiety/depression as I'm always worse at night and when I do night waking a it sometimes makes me feel like the depression could come back. I'm fine during the day, it's just the tiredness at night.

At the moment I'm still sleeping next to her cot, I wonder if I Gould move back in to my bedroom so I'm further away an she might self settle. But then I worry I'll be so tired I won't hear her wake

Sorry for the winge!

DHs first game went well, he won, M got lots of admiration. Took ages to get her to nap in the pram because she's so nosey grin

BigPigLittlePig Sun 21-Apr-13 10:43:30

fatima I know it could be seen as a backwards step, but could you try co-sleeping after her first or second night feed? Atm we have gone back to that, as F is waking at 4 for reasons unknown (not hunger) and will fall asleep in a heartbeat in bed with me, but not in her cot. I've done this before and she grew out of it quite quickly. I'm hoping she will do the same again hmm

BigPigLittlePig Sun 21-Apr-13 10:48:27

Oh, and re: drugs/drs in the NHS - we view drug reps as a source of free food and pens. We listen to their chat, sometimes consultants may be convinced by their evidence, if it is solid, and prescribe said drug for certain patients, but within the hospital, a medication has to be approved by the pharmacy before it can be widely used - and to do that it has to be proven to be safe, beneficial and cost-effective. Of course, private practice may be completely different.

DH is heading for a slap. After a week of leave, and a week of lie ins, with no lie ins for me despite promises, he has now dozed off on the effing sofa after being up for an hour angry

YellowWellies Sun 21-Apr-13 10:54:57

Two days off solids et voila back to our post sleep regression norm of feeds at 3 and 6am. So today are trying one wee cube of the most benign solid for refluxers - parsnip, served at brekkie so if he reacts we have a shit day not a shit night. We're off to IKEA too today VQ.

JJ might have to try to give him a taste of neutramagen AA before 7 months then. Eep - think it'll have to be a sippy cup as he swats bottles away angrily and rubs his open mouth over the nearest boob or moob!

Stunt I think that was a wise suggestion where there isn't a health reason per se for weaning - keeping supply up for a week or so as MM is doing just to allow some headspace on it all would certainly avoid the 'fuck it you're going on a bottle' moments I think everyone who BF has in the wee small hours during particularly trying times when you're totally worn down. Though if LO has rejected the breast I think express feeding is possibly the most difficult way of feeding (and something I'm pretty sure I couldn't do). Kitkat I fed for a week with thrush - agony - couldn't have done longer.

I hope the sore boobies stop being sore.

Pikz you ran the marathon? Epic lady!!!! I'm tired just watching it smile

TheDetective Sun 21-Apr-13 11:12:29

Just in case those who are stopping feeding don't know, you should express anyway, or gradually wean off the breast. When I stopped I expressed 4 times a day for 2 days, then 3 times for a couple of days, then 2... then I stopped from the two really as they were 12 hours apart anyway.

It is recommended to stop far more gradually than that, but I think as long as you just don't stop completely you would be ok.

Risk of painful blocked ducts leading to mastitis otherwise.

TheDetective Sun 21-Apr-13 11:19:04

We are in sleep training today!

After his 3 x 30 minute naps yesterday, he went to bed at 8pm, woke an hour later, settled back down, woke just before 1, settled back down again, then woke at 5, and once again settled, but in bed with me this time. He slept til 6.30 when he seemed to be up for the day. At 7 after half an hour of cuddles in bed, I thought, lets try a feed. So I fed him, and he went back to sleep on me. Til 9. Fuck yes! Despite having a baby on me from 5am, I feel pretty good today!

I'm not sure why he woke so much - for him it is more than usual anyway. So I am putting it down to shitty naps. I am ensuring proper naps today. I've got him down for his first nap now. I am going to try and get a minimum of an hour from each nap.

I'm just gutted that technically he didn't have a night feed, but was still up so many bloody times! DP would have got him up at 6.30 as well. Glad I didn't. I don't do before 7!! I keep telling DP to put him back asleep. He doesn't listen. Yet he hates getting up early? Makes no sense!

Poor child must be confused with parents doing different things!

Oh, O has also increased his feeds the last 2 days, taking 7-8oz at each feed!!!! shock

Kyzordz Sun 21-Apr-13 11:29:54

Think I might just go back to breakfast horsey as he seemed ok when having just that. --except this morning But i hope its because he is full if snot and seems to be having one of those tired/whingy days. He's 24 weeks tomorrow and I'm my own worst enemy because I reason with myself that he is only little and there's plenty of time yet, but when he gets a cob on and refuses to eat I go into panic mode and convince myself he'll never eat food/healthy food and I'm going to have a worse time weaning than we've had with bottles! 24 weeks isn't exactly a worrying age to be not fancying your veg though I guess. It's just everyone else seems to be getting on fine with veg purées and whatnot and e just moans and whinges the whole time. I thought they were supposed to enjoy food so I'm wondering where I've gone wrong. Either time of day or he's not ready or I'm doing something else wrong I haven't thought of.

mm strong coffee rocks, I didn't drink coffee when pregnant because it made me sick, but I missed it terribly. It's my main vice.

thechick tbh it's probably the food he doesn't like, I have given him porridge/fruit/rusk for breakfast then veg stuff for tea. He's bound to prefer sweeter things isn't he. I daren't try give veg for breakfast though he'd probably moan burst my ear drums and I thought I'd do no favours giving breakfast at tea too. Oh I don't know, I've probably cocked it all up already

fatima if e is having a run of bad nights I co sleep after his first stint, it doesn't normally last long but I'm not good truly awful on not much sleep so it works for us. On the other hand if she wanted you and was screeching I'm pretty sure she'd wake you! Does she have a monitor thingy?

Could he be spurting det? With increased feeds and whatnot? E never did feeding and sleeping at once with a spurt, he will feed lots more for a few days then sleep the next few! E had shit sleeps yesterday too and a crap night. Today is full of whinging and sleeping and general fussiness. Yay!

TheDetective Sun 21-Apr-13 11:34:23

Kyz Chill out lady!! You haven't fucked anything up! Why not just give the food a rest for a couple of days, and start fresh? It doesn't matter if he doesn't like them yet! Is it something like it takes 20 times of having something to like it? Can't remember, but sure it is something like that! He doesn't like it once? Just offer it again another time!

What have you offered him so far? Could you mix the veg with milk or baby rice if he doesn't like the strong flavours yet?

TheDetective Sun 21-Apr-13 11:36:41

If he spurts any more he might explode grin!

I am appalled. I've just had to delete someone on FB. She has just had a grandchild. He is half chinese. She keeps referring to him as a number 22. At first I wasn't sure if she knew what she was saying. But she clearly does. Her own grandchild... what a cunt. angry

Brockle Sun 21-Apr-13 11:39:32

is there a growth spurt at five months? fed loads yesterday then up twice in the night for a feed and woke for a snack at 6am. slept loads yesterday too.

boys at tag rugby this morning so just the two of us. the house is now clean...on a Sunday..amazing grin

Kyzordz Sun 21-Apr-13 11:49:49

Lol i'm not good at not stressing det I'm positively rubbish at it in fact! I thought you were supposed to do one veg at a time for 3 days. Found them strong when I tried them but figured that was supposed to work so I gave it a go. I tried baby rice, carrot, sweet potato, normal potato, banana and pear. He wasn't too bad with the fruits but wouldnt entertain the veg. Mind you this was at 17 weeks when I compromised with my mum that no I wouldn't wean him but I would offer tastes. As he seemed so unimpressed I left it until 22 weeks, he started grabbing my food and seemed keen so I started with breakfast (mums advice, said if his tummy hurt I could deal with it in the day/take him doctors if poorly etc instead of night time). I started with rusk on her advice since my tasting idea went down like a sack of shit. He built up to a full rusk in 3 days, seemed to enjoy it. Since then, nearly two weeks, I have given him breakfast every day and he sometimes sits and eats it, sometimes acts like I'm murdering him. I leave it on those days, I don't want to put him off. Started with tea Monday, couple of days he's eaten a few spoons but mostly he clamps shut. He has had Radom puréed cubes chucked together, got inspiration from what was in pouches and have only just remembered my annabel kamel book, twat so for example yesterday was carrot apple and parsnip. Had to mix with normal potato as wont touch just veg. Tried baby rice and he really threw a paddy at that one, mind you I can't mix it, it goes all lumpy like wallpaper paste :/

I didn't know if stopping the food would just put us back to 'I don't want to eat anything', I dont know what I'm doing to be honest. Mum said she thought I could go to two meals quickly because he's older. Me and my siblings all ate 3 meals plus finger food at 4 months, so it's totally different for mum to see me trying something new and tbh it doesn't seem to be going well whereas we all loved food apparently, so I'm not sure I've sold it to her very well sad she's due with number 6 soon and I think she might, just might, wait to 17 weeks but I can't see her waiting past that. Anyway I digress.

See, amongst that messy explanation I have fucked up :/ it's fixable though right?

Oh and he likes gumming cucumber sticks

Kyzordz Sun 21-Apr-13 11:50:48

Lol i'm not good at not stressing det I'm positively rubbish at it in fact! I thought you were supposed to do one veg at a time for 3 days. Found them strong when I tried them but figured that was supposed to work so I gave it a go. I tried baby rice, carrot, sweet potato, normal potato, banana and pear. He wasn't too bad with the fruits but wouldnt entertain the veg. Mind you this was at 17 weeks when I compromised with my mum that no I wouldn't wean him but I would offer tastes. As he seemed so unimpressed I left it until 22 weeks, he started grabbing my food and seemed keen so I started with breakfast (mums advice, said if his tummy hurt I could deal with it in the day/take him doctors if poorly etc instead of night time). I started with rusk on her advice since my tasting idea went down like a sack of shit. He built up to a full rusk in 3 days, seemed to enjoy it. Since then, nearly two weeks, I have given him breakfast every day and he sometimes sits and eats it, sometimes acts like I'm murdering him. I leave it on those days, I don't want to put him off. Started with tea Monday, couple of days he's eaten a few spoons but mostly he clamps shut. He has had Radom puréed cubes chucked together, got inspiration from what was in pouches and have only just remembered my annabel kamel book, twat so for example yesterday was carrot apple and parsnip. Had to mix with normal potato as wont touch just veg. Tried baby rice and he really threw a paddy at that one, mind you I can't mix it, it goes all lumpy like wallpaper paste :/

I didn't know if stopping the food would just put us back to 'I don't want to eat anything', I dont know what I'm doing to be honest. Mum said she thought I could go to two meals quickly because he's older. Me and my siblings all ate 3 meals plus finger food at 4 months, so it's totally different for mum to see me trying something new and tbh it doesn't seem to be going well whereas we all loved food apparently, so I'm not sure I've sold it to her very well sad she's due with number 6 soon and I think she might, just might, wait to 17 weeks but I can't see her waiting past that. Anyway I digress.

See, amongst that messy explanation I have fucked up :/ it's fixable though right?

Oh and he likes gumming cucumber sticks

BigPigLittlePig Sun 21-Apr-13 11:55:13

Kyz what about trying butternut squash, on its own? I've made some purees for F, not that she's had any yet, but that was pretty sweet. He'll get there, and before you know it he'll be a teenager with hollow bloody legs.

Passmethecrisps Sun 21-Apr-13 11:58:30

Personally brockle I think they can growth spurt at any time.

Number 22 det? I don't get it. I once deleted someone after they made the most horrendous joke about the shootings in Cumbria. Do people forget that they are in the public domain or does FB just make people stupid?

I am a bit tetchy today. I have started to find weekends a bit stressful. DH wants to chill which is fair enough but it just means more for me to do.

Kyz sorry you're feelin so stressed sad Why not just o with what you want rather than what your mum wants? I know it must be hard but if you're not feeling confident then your mum havin all these opinions, even with the best will in the world, will not help your confidence. It's ok to do things differently. E is not even 26 weeks yet, why not just leave it a bit and start up again when everything is calmer. Or carry on just going tastes rather than full meals for a bit.

bplp we've never done co-sleeping. Well apart from a couple of times after DH got up for work when she was tiny. DH smokes so wouldn't be able to in bed with him.
When she wakes, she feeds and then goes back down ok, it's just the frequency of the waking and the resulting broken sleep that shatters me.
She can go a good 4 or 5 hours during the day without a feed but at night no more than 3 hours and then she feeds for at least 15-30mins. I've tried just shushing her back to sleep but it's the boob that works.

BigPigLittlePig Sun 21-Apr-13 12:18:15

<kicks fatimas dh out of bed and onto the sofa>

MsJupiterJones Sun 21-Apr-13 12:21:36

Hey Kyz sorry you are finding it stressful. I know it's hard when you've got your mum offering advice but she will have her own new LO soon and she can do whatever she likes, it's your choice what to do with E. If he likes gumming cucumber sticks that's great. Also he might find it cooling if he is having any teething pain.

The only important thing is that he keeps growing and slowly starts to enjoy food. If that's a mix of purée, finger foods, rusks etc then that's no prob. He will probably take longer to get used to the taste of veg but just keep offering it and he will get there. L definitely prefers his banana and pear, with broccoli etc he sort of screws up his face but keeps going back for more as he is curious (we are doing BLW so I just put little bits of cooked broccoli on his tray). As someone else said soon he'll be a teenager with hollow legs and devouring everything in sight!

Pikz Sun 21-Apr-13 12:52:01

kzy don't be stressed. Let him do it in own time.

For the sleep issues we found own room worked and trust me you will hear them!!

Yep YW trained for 2, finished 1 other failed due to slipped discs sad I am not built for a runner but I love it and am hoping to be back running half marathon distance by the autumn as long as body allows. You run don't you?

PetiteRaleuse Sun 21-Apr-13 13:04:41

kyz give yourself a break, and, possibly, kindly ask your mum to do the same. It doesn't matter if he doesn't want much solids yet. You are doing nothing wrong, except, and I really don't want you to take this the wrong way, maybe turning it into a bigger deal than it has to be.

He will eat, and soon. But a spoonful here and there is fine even for the next few months. If he doesn't like something, try something else, and come back to what he refused at first another day.

He might well be a fussy eater, but that's something to worry about later. And a previously treat eater can suddenly become fussy, and vice versa. For now it is tastes, textures, getting used to chewing and swallowing. It's not urgent and it doesn't reflect in any way on you at all. Some babies take to feeding well, others take a bit ore time.

Everything he needs is in his milk. Everything else can be accepted little by little.

Fwiw the only veg I would eat other than chips was peas and raw carrot. Until I was about 14. So that's what I would have at almost every meal. Peas.

kirrinIsland Sun 21-Apr-13 13:17:20

Completely behind again - sorry!

Fatima I know what you mean about the sleep blending into awake and making you feel ill. And I also worried about depression as a result of no sleep as I spent many a night in the depths of despair as a result of the frequent wakings ((hugs)). Can your DP do some nights? DP and I are alternating at the moment and it seems to be helping. Formula is helping but I think it's also that when she wakes and he's there she just gets a feed, a nappy change and that's it, whereas with me it's a breast feed and a cuddles to sleep - she needs that from me but not from him? We are hoping we can create it as a habit and then get back to normal a bit.

Both my girls were asleep at the same time earlier! And neither of them on me! I should have been running round doing stuff or just enjoying the silence but instead I sobbed into my coffee. Once I started I could stop. I did manage to pull myself together long enough to a 15 minute throw stuff out session flylady stylee.

kirrinIsland Sun 21-Apr-13 13:18:25

*couldn't stop

ChasingDaisy Sun 21-Apr-13 13:19:05

kyz I agree with what everyone else has said. E isn't even 26 weeks yet and there really is no hurry. If you feel comfortable doing so, then just take it back to basics. Maybe just keep on with the cucumber sticks for a few days and start again from scratch. This might make you feel a bit better, being able to start again with a clean slate.

I am just waiting for my food shop to be delivered, then I am going to give O a cucumber stick to nom on. Hoping it will help his sore gums too.

Kyzordz Sun 21-Apr-13 13:27:53

bplp I did butternut squash but didn't end up trying that one! Perhaps I should, thankyou for reminding me!

I don't get the number 22 reference either confused

pass sometimes it's hard to chill with a small person, Can dp not help with the extra things you've got to do?

Thanks fatima and jj, I know I need to grow a set and do what I want to do its just I feel so lost and like I couldn't possibly know what I'm doing or make the right choices and mum has so much experience and has helped me with alot of things with e so I feel like I should listen to her for fear of upsetting her if I do something different. My dsis made me worry by telling me if he's not on 3 meals a day by 7 months he'll have gone past the stage where they learn how to chew and swallow so I'll have trouble getting him to eat, so then I felt rushed to get him to eat things.

I wanted to do a mix of blw and purées, mum cannot understand blw and thinks I'll be putting him at risk of choking, and since I'm so panicky about choking I end up avoiding giving him sticks of food. I do give him cucumber but have yet to let him swallow any of it. How daft is that?! I am going on a first aid course on 4th may and I'm hoping this helps. E will be 26 weeks a few days after that so I'm wondering whether to knock it on the head till I've done the course and start fresh.

I just cant shake the comments away about choking, about him not eating well when he's older, that I should've started at 3 months, should give him nice food not puréed veg, need to ramp up the amount he's eating, or he wont learn how, need to sneak the spoon in etc. I don't like to do that, I want him to want to eat it not swallow it because it's suddenly in his mouth.

She keeps saying I can't miss a meal now he's supposed to eat two, because he won't learn to and will stick with his milk, I did say a couple of days ago about giving it a rest at least the evening meal, I might do that or stop altogether till after the course. I'm asked every day about what he's eaten so I don't know how to get around it without offending/upsetting her

I think he's coming down with something ATM, he is clingy which isn't like him and he has slept alot but is tired, keeps coughing then crying and seems quite restless yet nackered. if he isn't well he's best off just on milk anyway isn't he?

Sorry this is so disjointed it's taken me ages to write it

Kyzordz Sun 21-Apr-13 13:31:42

Sorry cross posted I know there's more replies to read, will read ASAP, not being ignorant I promise

ChasingDaisy Sun 21-Apr-13 13:37:28

kyz I'm certainly no expert, but if E is feeling a bit poorly that's perhaps another reason to have a little break from solids.

Could you show your mum any of the current weaning guidelines? Specifically the one that advises to start at 26 weeks? What does she mean by 'nice foods'?

I also don't like the 'sneak the spoon' in method. Food is supposed to be fun and there is no need to force feed.

Trust your instincts. You are a great mummy and you know what is best for E. Could you tell your mum that you welcome her input on other aspects of raising E but weaning is one thing you would like to do alone?

ChasingDaisy Sun 21-Apr-13 13:38:27

Oh and kyz I am terrified about giving O a cucumber stick to knaw on today...

PetiteRaleuse Sun 21-Apr-13 13:47:46

kyz it really is none of her business. She has no right to interrogate you every day on what your baby eats or doesn't. And her opinions are outdated. Three months is far too soon to wean, even with the smoothest puree.

And yes, if he is unwell, he'll be happier sticking with what he knows, so milk is fine. You can take as many breaks from weaning as you need.

PetiteRaleuse Sun 21-Apr-13 13:48:27

And you're doing a great job don't let your mum undermine your confidence like this

GTbaby Sun 21-Apr-13 13:55:02

Had first first night off! Woopie. Changed him at 11pm. Then sis took over fed him n took him to her room. I woke when I heard his crying at 3am. But turned around and went mk to sleep grin so nice not having to get up, no making milk, no nagging DH to do it.
But I go bk today. So back to looking after my child myself.

TheDetective Sun 21-Apr-13 14:05:58

The number 22 reference is to a chinese menu. As in, I'll have a number 22 please. Insert whatever number you like. She kept referring to him as 'my little number 22' and '22 is going out with grandma today' etc.

ChasingDaisy Sun 21-Apr-13 14:15:41

I got it Detective smile. Well I suppose if anyone was going to it would be me wink

Me and my half Chinese boy are angry. on the baby's behalf.

BigPigLittlePig Sun 21-Apr-13 14:15:55

Have just won a baby swing on ebay. Desperate times. I managed to get 2 naps out of her this morning by rocking her for 20mins, and even then they were on me, and didn't last long. Once this current blip is done better be soon I will resume morning naps in her cot, but hope the swing is the answer for afternoon naps. Watch me weep when it fails.

GT that sounds wonderful envy
Detective could it not be an "in joke" that she has with her family? I've had some odd nicknames over the years which could have caused a hmm face to an outsider.

TheDetective Sun 21-Apr-13 14:19:57

Casual racism pisses me right off.

ChasingDaisy Sun 21-Apr-13 14:25:07

O's dad didn't really encounter any racism at school, but he is the youngest of 5 and his siblings were all very popular at school so he was never really going to be a target at school. I do worry for O though and want to make sure I bring him up to know what is and isn't acceptable.

I think his dad is better placed to help him in this respect but I need to find out the best way to handle it.

MsJupiterJones Sun 21-Apr-13 15:30:47

Yes unfortunately I saw what you meant Det. Hopefully it is some kind of family in-joke although I think still better not shared.

Kyz I'm not going to tell you not to listen to your mum as you obviously have a lot of support from her and that is important to you. The way I explained BLW to my mum was that when weaning was advised early they would have introduced finger foods around 6 months, and as now the advice was to start weaning then, it made sense to go straight for finger foods. I realise that might not quite work for you as she seems to have very set views on weaning. But it sounds like you are doing just fine and should have more confidence, you have looked after E well so far. Just because she has more experience doesn't mean she knows what's right for your baby. I bet there were differences between her children. If he is coming down with something maybe a good 'excuse' to cut back on food and have a think how you want to do it.

Hopefully the first aid course will boost your confidence, and maybe borrow the BLW book or another book from the library so you have all the information you need to make your decisions. It is nerve wracking but it should also be quite fun - for both you and the baby!

Elizadoesdolittle Sun 21-Apr-13 16:28:13

So the latest thing to hit E is chickenpox. She had a couple of spots when she woke up yesterday morning, DH said that's chickenpox but I was very sceptical as she hadn't been ill at all. I then took DD1 out for the day and left E with DH and by the time I got back there were loads more spots. And they are still appearing, she's covered. But she doesn't appear to be suffering so that's something. Gets it out of the way! msjupiter it does mean that E was probably contagious when we met as the virus is infectious before the spots come up. Sorry. I hope L doesn't get it.

In other news I had a lovely night out last night. Drank much more than intended though, the wine went down very easily! Luckily no hangover today.

Bryzoan Sun 21-Apr-13 16:42:49

Unlucky eliza - but as you say at least it is out the way.

Kirrin - why were you sobbing - just shattered? Hugs. Been there.

Dh has the kids right now - I am taking an hour out :-). First one in a long while - he looked a bit startled. Must make sure it gets a bit more normal...

Kyzordz Sun 21-Apr-13 16:47:28

Oh kirrin what were you sobbing for?

Sorry, didn't have time to reply properly, e really isn't himself. No worries of me offering food for a bit, he went all hysterical on me just now --not because of food, just because--and is fussing with his milk so I'm sticking with milk until he feels right because he might not take much as usual anyway and I know it's more important. He doesn't have a temp, just doesn't seem to know what to do with himself sad just got calpol in him and he's sparko. The first thing mum said was not to bother with food until he's better so perhaps she's not as militant as it feels.

Thanks pikz, I will try to smile

pr I'll be the first to admit i'm going ott with the weaning worries. You wouldn't believe me if I told you i'm trying my best not to blush. I just can never decide what to do for the best and I end up thinking I've made the wrong choice. When you've my mum in your ear with so much experience and a bunch of kids all weaned in the same way and eat fine and have done from a very early age it's hard or at least it is for me to say actually mum even though that worked time and time again i'm doing it differently even though I'm clueless. She honestly is wonderful and means well, and I know this is only all an issue because I make it such an issue. Thankyou for the advice, I really do appreciate it and I am trying to take it all on board smile I'm not giving anything whilst he's poorly so will use the time hopefully not long bless him to decide what I'm doing and grow a pair and tell my mum and most importantly, chill the fuck out.

chasing I have done, she said we were all fine so she doesn't see what the fuss is for with the 6 months thing. I found papers explaining about gut maturity but they generally agreed on 17 weeks which is why I think she will start offering baby rice/whatever else from then. Going back to basics is a good idea, I think a break from it altogether for a couple of days is just what we need, although i may still offer his sippy cup as he adores it, surely fluids will be good if he's not well. Nice foods is things like biscuits and rusk and yoghurt etc. things children like usually. She doesn't think these are the bulk of a good diet or anything though, just that they're likely to appeal more to him. I hate the sneaky spoon, she did it once just for one spoonful and I said not to because I don't want him to associate food time with something he doesn't enjoy. She does always respect my wishes and didn't argue. Chances are if I told her how I really feel about all of this she'd back off, I'm just keen not to upset her and I'm a wuss

Sounds lovely gt!

det would be nice to think it was meant in an affectionate way, but still not nice!

bplp really hope the swing works!

jj thankyou, I think I'll have a look at a blw book and try to explain to her it's just like giving finger foods but more often than just snacks, think the way she did it was snacks were finger food but meals were spoon fed. It's just if I try and do the wait till 6 months and do alot more finger foods and it ends up that he is really fussy, or he doesn't eat much until late on or worse he has a choking episode, it'll come about that perhaps if I'd listened the above wouldn't have happened. I just want to do right by him sad

I am definitely leaving it a couple of days now, we both need a break and he really isn't himself, he never cries like this sad

eliza glad you enjoyed yourself, hope e doesn't get too poorly with the pox! Its best they get them as youngsters though isn't it or it turns into shingles or something?

Thankyou quiche, for putting up with me, being patient with me and having advice for me, I really do appreciate it and am very grateful for you all biiiig hugs

StuntNun Sun 21-Apr-13 16:54:04

IME some people just don't know better when it comes to racism and will say the dodgiest things without really understanding that they are offensive. I nearly spewed tea once when someone said, "So you're half-caste then?" to me. All you can do is correct them.

My house looks like a bombsite. I would love to just walk out and come back to it all tidy. DS1 and DS2's bedroom is absolutely appalling. I'm sitting in bed because there's no safe place to go in the house. DH vacuumed the bedroom yesterday and there's white stuff and cat hair all over the carpet already. It's so dispiriting. There's too much clutter though, there's not really any way to get things in order. DH has stuff jammed under the bed, under the desk, in the wardrobe, the loft is full, the shed is full, and he took a load of stuff over to his parents' house for storage. I understand his hoarding, I like to keep stuff that I think might come in handy too but I suspect it's gone too far now. He will not consider decluttering though. J is five months old now and we still haven't found the cot bedding! I wish I could do something about it but it's too big a task for me to tackle on my own.

PetiteRaleuse Sun 21-Apr-13 17:00:00

kyz keep going how you feel best, try and give yourself a break and remember that in a few months weaning will be over and done with as a Big Thing but you will forever be introducingnnews foods and some will be liked and others aren't. I really don.t believe that the way we wean has much impact on fussiness. I think some people are fussy and others aren't, so however you end up doing it don't blame yourself. I can already see that LO is fussier than DD1 ever was. I also remember my paed warning me, when I told her how easy DD1 was for weaning, that many babies are easy to wean but fussiness sets in during the toddler years when they use food to develop independence, ie by suddenly saying no to things they have liked up to now.

What I mean is, don't give youself weaning as a stick to beat yourself with. Because as parents we have so many lf those sticks.

Eliza sorry about the pox, that's unlucky after everything she has already been through. Better now, if it all goes ok, than in a few years when you wouldn't be able to stop her scratching and she would be moaning that she is bored and wants to go out (I remember having the pox at about 6 and being a real pita)

PurplePidjin Sun 21-Apr-13 17:20:23

<<<hug>>> kirrin

Kyz could you blame an over zealous hv giving you a hard time for weaning early? You could borrow mine patronising dragon

Dp had the works at secondary school - spit in his hair, dog shit through the door, lots of fighting etc. Was the 70s though old git so a much different experience for younger people. Not sure how R will be treated with his blue eyes, he just looks olive skinned when out with me although there's no doubt he looks like dp! I've got the blue/green eyes i hoped for (dp and i both have green eyes) now I've got my fingers crossed for dread-worthy hair...

I've built the cot. Wish me luck!

ChasingDaisy Sun 21-Apr-13 17:23:15

Oh Eliza poor E. I hope she doesn't suffer too much.

Well O has had his first experience of food - gumming a cucumber stick smile His hand - eye coordination is excellent and he picked it up and put it in his mouth himself. I sat opposite him and ate some myself making lots of 'yummy' noises and smiling like an idiot. He looked a little surprised but got the hang of it very quickly. I am going to give it another go again tomorrow and make it our lunch time routine, along with water from a sippy cup. I plan to make purees next weekend and will probably start weaning in earnest in a few weeks.

ChasingDaisy Sun 21-Apr-13 17:24:54

Pidj I think it is O's surname that will make him stand out. He has dark brown eyes and hair but doesn't look particularly Chinese yet.

MsJupiterJones Sun 21-Apr-13 17:34:00

Oh Eliza poor E. Hope she doesn't have it too badly. Has DD1 already had it? E & L weren't really in direct contact or breathing on each other so he may not have caught it although I'll keep an eye on him. Wishing her all the best. thanks

I know just what you mean Kyz, if you try something new/different & it fails you feel like people will be saying told you so. But my family already think I have some funny ideas so I'm trying to have faith in what I want to do. You really are doing a great job for him and you know whatever your DSis says he is unlikely never to learn to chew and swallow because you missed a window!

MadamGazelleIsMyMum Sun 21-Apr-13 17:38:54

kirrin what's up? Hugs and sympathy here...

Weaning isn't really happening here. We keep offering spoonfulls but I'm not convinced a huge amount is swallowed.

Had a bumper cooking/baking day as sunshine didnt materialise. Steak pie for supper, chicken noodle soup, wholemal oaty banana muffins and wholemal apple &cinnamon cake for the freezer. I'm stocking up for DH's SAH days or he and DD will eat fish fingers and beans followed by yoghurt and chocolate buttons every bloody day.

ChasingDaisy Sun 21-Apr-13 17:50:09

I am Oscar-less tonight sad There is a big family meal for MILs birthday. I am being kind to myself and not going but O has gone. First meal I have missed in 3 years. Will cause some discontent I am sure.

horseylady Sun 21-Apr-13 18:29:26

kyz relax. Just tell your mums he's had carrot. He'll eat at some point. Enjoy it. If he has one spoonful then it's progress.

MaMaPo Sun 21-Apr-13 18:40:00

Applause for you, chasing but hope you don't miss O too much.

kyz, I'm not yet at the weaning stage but you're not alone in being a bit overwhelmed by the range of opinions/beliefs out there. Good luck for when you start again.

Picnic in Hyde Park today and C had two firsts - first time wearing sunscreen, and first feel of grass under her feet.

PurplePidjin Sun 21-Apr-13 18:44:21

Chasing R doesn't look Jamaican till you see him next to dp! Is it wrong that i hope O has the screaming abdabs all evening and is returned to you by a baffled and humiliated X cunt P? blush

Waggled a bit of broccoli at R at dinner but he was nonplussed. Deffo think we'll be nearer the 6 months - 4 weeks to go!

ChasingDaisy Sun 21-Apr-13 18:46:44

I miss him loads sad. He is still feeling poorly after his jabs poor little sod. I am sure there will be tears as he hates fucking pass-the-baby at the best of times.

kirrinIsland Sun 21-Apr-13 18:58:14

kyz I worried hugely about weaning with DD1 - and it turned out fine in the end. Not looking forward to it this time either tbh. But just because your mum had success doing it one way it doesn't mean you have to do it the same way. There are many different ways of doing most things baby related and no one way is the right way. Steer clear of chips and mars bars and I reckon you can't go far wrong grin

chasing I am very pleased to hear you're skipping the meal tonight smile if it's ale ays stressful then why put yourself through it. If they want you to be there then they'd better start treating you better!

Eliza hugs to E. At least that's one you can cross off the list. We'll all have to deal with it at some point.

det I got the no.22 reference. I think that sadly some people are so in the habit of saying things like that that they've forgotten what they are really saying. I can't think of another reason why someone would be so openly offensive on a public site confused
On that note, like chasing I think it is my girls surname that will 'give them away' as although they are both pretty dark, they don't look especially Arab (yet) They will potentially have the foreign and the Muslim prejudices to deal with. I hope no one is as casually racist about them sad

Thanks for all the hugs. I lost my mum 18 months ago and I went for the 'head in the sand, fingers in the ears la la la' method of grieving. It doesn't work. A few things have brought it to a head recently but I'll be ok - I just have to work through it sad

ChasingDaisy Sun 21-Apr-13 19:49:59

They have just brought him home early as he was screaming in the restaurant. He is sobbing sad angry. Never letting him leave my side again. Poor poor boy.

ChasingDaisy Sun 21-Apr-13 20:19:37

I'm actually really fucking angry. At myself mostly, for letting him go out. I knew he wasn't feeling great post-jabs and with teething pain but I didn't want to cause tension by not letting him go. I am an awful mother.

Apparently he started crying when SIL held him and when O's dad tried to take him back, she said 'no, he's got to get used to it' angry cow. She also fed her 22 week old cream and made him drink tea.

I've just said he isn't to go out without me again.

PennieLane Sun 21-Apr-13 20:23:32

There's so much happening, I don't know where to start but yay for good naps, ikea trips and sun shine and thanks for weaning worries.

We've had three days if carrot sticks-going well. Just tasting and gumming them, but it's fun. She swallowed a tiny bit. Moving onto parsnip tmrw!

BigPigLittlePig Sun 21-Apr-13 20:24:47

Chasing <hugs> - You can't possibly have known he would react that badly though. At least they brought him back instead of trying to "teach" him how to cope hmm

PennieLane Sun 21-Apr-13 20:25:05

Ps does anyone have a Sun hat they would recommend? I realised I might need to get one today. I thought this day would never come!

ChasingDaisy Sun 21-Apr-13 20:33:32

Pennie I also realised today that I would have to learn how to care for a baby in the summer! So far all my worries had been about keeping him warm enough.

Elizadoesdolittle Sun 21-Apr-13 20:39:18

Thanks all. DD1 has had it so at least that's the chickenpox over and done with.

chasing that's really shit, poor o. Least he's home with you now.

kyz glad you're feeling a bit better about it all. Food is fun until one, try to make it fun for you too. This should be an exciting time. In a yr or 2 you'll look back at this time and wonder what you were worried about.

MaMaPo Sun 21-Apr-13 20:43:04

Oh chasing - hugs. You poor thing. Who on earth are these horrid people? I am pretty new to this quiche but am piecing things together bit by bit. I hope you are in the process of distancing yourself from them. Poor little O, I bet he's fine now he's with someone reasonable (and lovely).

Nobody has 'got to get used to' spending time with people they don't like - not you, and not your son.

Oh, I need a sunhat too! C was in her cotton smurf cap today as I was a bit concerned she might get too much sun on her head.

kirrinIsland Sun 21-Apr-13 20:50:28

((hugs)) chasing You are not an awful mother. You are a great mother, who is trying to give her son a relationship with his family even though they are vile to you. That is selfless and therefore the definition of excellent mother. Like bplp said, at least they did bring him home.

Evilwater Sun 21-Apr-13 20:54:09

Eliza - if N was much older, I'd come round for a pox party. Yes, I know its old fashioned, and to some I'd seem irrepsonsiable. My reasoning for this is its much better, to have it as a child rather than an adult.

I hope your not going to hate me for it.


ChasingDaisy Sun 21-Apr-13 20:55:16

Ahh yes Mama I think you were fortunate enough to miss the saga of my inlaw issues. Basically my twat of a 'D'P did something unforgivable, his family are still treating him like the golden child and I have been shunned. Yes it is my fault your son/brother tried to strangle me. Twats

Do you buy a special children's suncream or can you use the normal adult stuff?

ChasingDaisy Sun 21-Apr-13 20:57:20

Evil my parents tried to get me to catch chicken pox when I was young but I didn't get it until I was 13 and in secondary school. It was awful and I hated having to go back to school covered in spots. I would rather O had it young.

MaMaPo Sun 21-Apr-13 20:59:03

Chasing shock < I am actually making this face. I hope you are staying safe.

I borrowed a friend's child-friendly sunscreen - I think they're a bit more gentle. It was weird for her to smell of something like that! She smelled like a proper Australian

Elizadoesdolittle Sun 21-Apr-13 21:00:39

Chasing You can buy children's sun cream. It's factor 50.

evil don't be silly, we could never hate you. My friends DC is 5 and she is panicking as he hasn't had it yet. Funny how you panic about them getting illnesses and then also panic when they haven't!

Evilwater Sun 21-Apr-13 21:01:42

Chasing - I'm sorry to read that your in laws are still awful.
detetive - that's awful!


BigPigLittlePig Sun 21-Apr-13 21:17:52

My baby has been so overexcited by the 1st BBQ of the year that she is STILL AWAKE. Goooooooo to sleeeeeeeeeep.

There is cat sick waiting for me to deal with when she's settled <narrows eyes at cat who is currently licking his willy>

We bought a sunhat which looks like a strawberry.

Passmethecrisps Sun 21-Apr-13 21:47:31

<rushes into thread>
<trips over draught excluder on the way in>

Sun hats! BP tell us of this ovulation-making berry hat you have. I want it.

chasing I have been reading the thread and was at first impressed and a bit anxious for you that O went out without you. Then I was angry and upset for you both. O needs you. He needs you even more when he is poorly. "He needs to get used to it"?? Again, babies are not fucking ponies who have to be broken in. I am sure horsey will tell us if even breaking in horses is a myth. He is home now and will feel better just smelling, seeing and feeling you. I am sorry but your P's family are cunts and you are going to have to grow the skin of a rhino and the heart of a lion if you plan to stay around them.

kirrin sad. I am sorry. Tough times. Sob on our virtual shoulders. I have an endless supply of virtual hankies and virtual wine is awesome.

kyz how many weeks is E? Maybe we could be weaning buddies? Can I tell you something? I was filling DH in on the Fred news (he likes to be kept informed) and when I mentioned your worries he said "but E has reflux?" I confirmed that yes, E is on stay down formula. Reflux will make E much more 'meh' about new stuff in his tummy so taking it easy is a good thing. Our dietician told us that reflux babies can be weird about mixed foods because they like to recognise what is in their mouth. Could this be a way forward that you can work with your mum on? E needs things done slowly so that he recognises single tastes and textures completely before introducing combinations.

We still have a baby who could not be less interested in food. I keep waving various delicious things in front of her hoping that she will grab it. Nope! The cat's tail though - oh yeah!

Kyzordz Sun 21-Apr-13 21:49:48

Evening all smile I didn't give e any tea today, and I'm going to talk to my mum tomorrow I think. She is booked in for an elcs Thursday so I reckon she will have her hands full from then and perhaps wont think so much about me doing what I want to do. I think if I be completely honest she'll understand. Dp helps, he said to let Eric decide. He thinks I can offer it in any form but should relax and have faith that he will decide when the time is right. Good dp.

stunt would it work to declutter without him knowing? I do that with dp terrible I know but he stashes so much stuff I can do so without him even noticing!

pr thinking about it although all of us successfully eat food obviously I am the only one who eats practically everything. Of the ones of us she weaned (I'm sure I've mentioned our collected large adopted family) the next one down won't eat any veg bar carrots, next doesn't like onions and mushrooms and sausages and some veg, next doesn't touch most veg, ge'll eat peas and sweetcorn, next doesn't eat anything remotely spicy or some veg's and last is picky with fruit. Just me that is greedy blush, I'm not fond of celery or aubergine and despise packet mash and value fish fingers but thats about it! I promise to try and chill out a bit, really I do blush

pp not really cos she came to 4 month check with me and argued with hv blush. I would speak to my hv but last time I got a bollocking because he drinks over 32oz a day so I'm a bit wary. I must add he only drinks as much as he wants.

chasing pleased o enjoyed his cucumber smile I think I will offer it again at some point to e, might even let the poor sod swallow some blush

That's exactly it jj I am so unsure of my parenting skills as it is that I worry all the time I'm screwing up. If I decide to do something that is considered outside the box, especially with someone as supportive/involved as mum is and it goes wrong I will be a wee bit isolated in regards to what to do if it fails. Having said that I am coming to the conclusion I can't really fail at weaning. Fussiness like pr said probably won't be down to how I wean him and he really won't end up on milk forever or stuck on purées, I've never heard of that happening.

Was the picnic nice mama? Thanks for the luck, I'm going to try the enjoy it approach as sold to me by the quiche smile

Oh chasing don't beat yourself up about letting him go, is he ok now he's home? You're not an awful mother at all. I'm glad they brought him back but your sil wouldve pissed me off royally. Dps grandpa has a habit of waltzing off with e and I know 100% he won't be able to calm him. Last week he tried it and dp swiftly claimed e and said 'no, he needs his mum'. Tis a ballache when people think they can sort your baby out and then end up making them worse with hysterics.

kirrin thanks, I keep trying to emphasise that I'm hoping to keep to healthy things and I have stuck firm so far at least with saying no to him 'just having a gum of this biscuit' etc. I'm sorry you lost your mum sad extra hugs

Sounds like its going well pennie! Sun hats wise e has so far just got the little ones that look like fishing hats, I'd be interested to know if there's anything else I could get him. I got some sun cream today just in case I need it. Factor 50, think that's the right one

evil I've always heard its best for them to get pox young. Nobody will hate you for saying that

To finish an epic post, e had a tiny patch of dry skin on his back about 2 weeks ago, I think, it went a bit bigger and hv said e45 it so I did, anyway he's been having it for about 3 days now and it's all over his back now in patches that look quite sore sad I haven't put the e45 on today, it doesn't look any better but isn't worse either. The today I found a small bit of bumpy red skin on his foot in a crease at the front/on top. Does it sound like eczema? I was going to take him doctors tomorrow with it.

Wow. What a long post. Have done the copy paste thing that somebody suggested with the mn app. Can't fucking lose it if I do that!!!

Hope good nights are had all round smile

Passmethecrisps Sun 21-Apr-13 21:53:43

stunt sad you seem really pretty fed up of late. I so understand the hoarding thing. Well, actually, I don't as I would happily buy something three times over rather than have something kick about the house for years. I am the wife of a whisker collector! The sheer scale of the job can be utterly overwhelming and some days I could run away. I have decided, however, that when I go back to work we will get a cleaner who irons. That is something that would keep the day to day going. As long as that can potter on I can chip away at the piles of crap.

Kyzordz Sun 21-Apr-13 21:56:36

Sorry pass cross posted. E is 24 weeks on Tuesday. As for your idea, that angle might work! I thought He might react a bit to some foods in terms of the acid returning but I never thought he might not like food for any other reflux related reason! I think we might end up being weaning buddies if you don't mind, e does like food sometimes, especially if he can control it. But in general I think he is mostly nonplussed. If you give him a spoon he usually eats the food on it, if you give him a stick of cucumber or other non food items in it goes. I think I need to have a break, then start small and aim smaller smile Eric loves the dogs to eat, but cat I think is a bit sweeter? I will grab a cat tomorrow and see what happens! Thankyou hugs

TheDetective Sun 21-Apr-13 21:57:41

Who the fuck has the sun?! We have no sun! I was afraid O would outgrow his short rompers before the sun arrives. So I stuck one on him in the house today grin.

I want sun!!

Sophiathesnowfairy Sun 21-Apr-13 21:58:03

evil you are right. My mum caught chicken pox in her 60's after having chemo and had a stroke. We were never told, though should have realised really, that chemo wipes away any immunity to stuff you have built up in your life inc chicken pox. sad

Low self esteem day. Big time. Enough said. sad

ValiumQueen Sun 21-Apr-13 21:58:34

Hi! Bye! <<snores>>

Passmethecrisps Sun 21-Apr-13 22:00:45

Awesome kyz! e is one week older than P. kitty is definitely sweeter than doggy. I think control might be the key for us. Maybe chill for a week then pick up again if you feel ok with it.

Having baybeez is hard

Passmethecrisps Sun 21-Apr-13 22:01:40

Oy VQ and det! Where he F have you two need?

TheDetective Sun 21-Apr-13 22:03:12

I need sun. That's what I need!

I had a lovely afternoon nap.

Passmethecrisps Sun 21-Apr-13 22:04:31

<rushes back into thread>
<trips over VQ>
<throws self at sophia

What's wrong chuck? Why are you feeling less than fab? I have icecream if it helps?

PennieLane Sun 21-Apr-13 22:12:14

That's exactly my thought chasing
Please do share a link to the strawberry hat!
I'm sorry to hear of rubbish in-laws and I'm really sad to hear of chicken pox-she's been through so much already hmm

Sophiathesnowfairy Sun 21-Apr-13 22:13:09

I would love ice cream. Thanks pass. O is night waking again feel like is my fault because of the journey to Brum on Fri to get girls and he sleeps a bit more in car. He still has a terrible cough that won't go away.

Shut the front door with the snub on and DH had to shoulder barge the door in in a policeman stylee.

Got the car key scratched a a services last week.

Feel like I am not great at work because I want to be at home and am not really any good at being a wife and a mum either, the washing baskets are over flowing, there are bits on the floor, DS1 went to bed not having brushed his teeth and I am winging the weaning this time.

DS has a runny tummy. Probably my fault.

Need to get hold of boot straps I know. But I feel like shit at the mo.

Sophiathesnowfairy Sun 21-Apr-13 22:16:33

Will try and get some sleep and hope for a better day tomorrow.

BigPigLittlePig Sun 21-Apr-13 22:20:02

Oh sophia wine is needed, no? I'm sure you are a fab mum, but there's a lot to juggle and adjust to with going back to work.

Can't find the hat online but will post a photo on fb. It's from Sainsburys, I don't think they display their clothes online.

Detective we didn't have sun today. In fact we had rain for our BBQ. But we lit the firepit and sat under a parasol and pretended grin. How's the fanjo today?

Kyzordz Sun 21-Apr-13 22:32:15

Oh sophia hugs and wine none of those things are your fault, they're just shitty luck things all at once, ds1's teeth will survive, and nobody gets to their death bed and says 'I wish I'd done more laundry'. What I mean is you'll sort the house work and you're great at being a mum, if you weren't you wouldn't give two hoots about the things bothering you ATM! Try and give yourself a break, we're all only human after all smile

No sun here either det and I put e in those suits too in the house or he'd never wear them!

PetiteRaleuse Sun 21-Apr-13 22:37:15

Damn it. Knew I had forgotten something. DD1 hasn't brushed her teeth today either.

We didn't go to the airport to watch the planes with DD1 today after all. We did have a nice walk and lots of yummy deli type food and just generally vegged out. I have been up late writing some stuff and now am too awake to go to sleep I think.

Oh well.

Hope good nights are had by all.

TheDetective Sun 21-Apr-13 22:38:41

Sophia you have just gone back to work. Give yourself a massive fucking break! It takes time to adjust! I don't know how you do it... really I don't! I couldn't imagine using my brain for anything right now! I can't keep on top of the house. And I'm not in work!

<Slaps fish in Sophias direction!>

BP Fanjo feeling okay today! Must have been BV, as the cream up fanjo seems to be working! Got 7 days of it, and it's horrid sticking it up there confused. Also, you put it in at night, like canesten, because they assume you aren't up 1000 times a night! I've had to wear pads for the cream escapage. Lovely, huh?!

I've just seen a picture of the May/June offduty from work. I haven't had a reply from my email the other day yet. But clearly she got it, because a line is through all my shifts, with sick written on it. I haven't even specified how long I will be off for confused and I can't believe they didn't bother to ring or email me. Twats.

TheDetective Sun 21-Apr-13 22:39:35

And I'm down for nights in the middle of May. So fucking glad I won't be doing those....!!!

BigPigLittlePig Sun 21-Apr-13 22:45:16

Gah, nightshifts. This time next year I will be on a crippling rota, including such delights as the 8pm - 2am shift. Vile. I'm assuming that will mean I get precisely 4 hours sleep fuuuuuuuck

F finally settled at 9.45, 2 hours later than usual. She better be planning on sleeping all night after that. Suspect she will have a different agenda though.

kirrinIsland Sun 21-Apr-13 23:03:41

Sophia you have fab happy children who I'm sure don't give a monkeys about the overflowing ironing basket. DD1 also went to bed without brushing her teeth tonight. She was being a moody mare, it was just going to be a battle and I simply couldn't face it blush The door thing is easily done and the car thing isn't your fault. Like pass I am also getting a cleaner when i go back to work, is that something you could think about? Hope you get a good night's sleep and feel better tomorrow brew

GTbaby Mon 22-Apr-13 00:27:45

Must really stop encouraging co sleeping. Ill regret it.
Had LO In Bed with me all week at my mums. I'm bk today. N DH on a night shift. N I'm tiered n can't b bothered to get up at 3am.
He is not a fussy sleeper. If I moved him to cot now he would b fine. But I'm worried ill break his non fussyness and one day he will refuse to sleep in his cot! But to tiered to care right now lol.

Another rambling can't sleep post by gt grin

PurplePidjin Mon 22-Apr-13 02:47:55

Second wake of the night, knew yesterday was too good to last sad

Clarella Mon 22-Apr-13 02:59:08

just done a catch up and forgotten everything confused

sounds like many in need ofwine brew thanks biscuit stunt, kirrin, Luis, bplp, kyz - am sure there's more...

I'm sorry lo was so upset chasing and your inlaws are being so frustrating. I get angry on your behalf about their attitude towards your 'd'p

it was my martial arts event weekend (capoeira) I missed last year as was 11 weeks but banned from school due to slapped cheek non immunity, and I'd booked the school for our event as it's shiny and new. so was determined to hobble along sleep deprivation or no! was angry that Dh was so hung over after Friday. they had won some awards for their first big building that they did when they set up 2 years ago but he and his partner who's also about to be a dad really do need to loose this bachelor 'I can stay out cos a wanna' thing. it's really clouded our weekend as i needed to rely on dh to attend any of this stuff. still, I did an hour or so on sat and watched today and now ache all over grin

lo absolutely loved it though!! he watched the games at the end (lots of Brazilian singing, drumming and clapping) for a full hour kicking his legs excitedly! I was so proud smile

and they'd made him a little capoeira event baby grow which made me so happy too as I've missed them all. it's a huge community and some of my closest friends I met through it.

however getting increasingly sad about sleep. like someone else lo goes 2-3 hours max between feeds all night but is at least feeding now for around 10 mins though that seems to drain my breast. my thrush is being managed now but his is still there angry I'm getting resigned to the fact that he'll always do this. he used to go 4 hours initially and even 5 briefly but that was over 6 weeks ago. he's 19 wks on Monday hmm

we have bought some formula cartons. Im dithering about introducing due to the thrush but some of me wonders if it will help or not - he often seems to wake cos of wind tbh! vq yes that's why I .bf too!

hope toddlers enjoyed birthdays!

sleep dust to you all x

Clarella Mon 22-Apr-13 03:04:09

oh Sophia you need wine brew biscuit thanks too!

as others said you're back at work (which is a downer in its self) don't worry about house work and ironing etc. can you dump a load of stuff at one of those ironing places? just to help out. hope you feel better soon

MaMaPo Mon 22-Apr-13 03:38:28

Oh pidj, these babies do like to keep us on our toes. I hope you're all asleep now.

clarella we're 19 weeks here too and something funny is still going on with sleep (ie the regression!). 4 weeks ago C slept 7.5 hours straight - now we might get a 5 once a week, and 3 is much more expected. So probably we're not out of the woods. Straw poll: for those with excellently sleeping babies who had regressed - when did things improve?

sophia apparently slapping with a fish is the thing to do? <duly does so>

luis, hope your absence on here is due to sleepfulness.

PetiteRaleuse Mon 22-Apr-13 06:25:00

Looks like a quiet night in here. Hope you all had good nights.

stunt in response to your question there is no French word for shart, I had to use the correct terminologý<boring>

kyz wobbly is another word for which there is no decent translation, certainly nothing as apt as wobbly. I suppose you would say instable, or bouge beaucoup dans tous les sens (moves a lot in every direction). But nothing like wobbly. Shame but French has far fewer words than English.

Forgot to answer those yesterday.

They get annoyed if you make words up too. There is no word for poosplosion (as I suppose there isn't in English either really) so I say cacastrophe, caca being poo. Every time I get corrected and they say no, it's caTastrophe, and I have to explain it. Not that I go round saying it often but with the ex childminder, my in laws etc. I have stopped now. ItS my in joke with myself <lonely sense of humour>

Sophiathesnowfairy Mon 22-Apr-13 06:56:09

<meekly accepts wet fish and starts new days>

det tbh if I were you, I would actually be pleased I hadn't had to converse with them and that they had just wiped me off as sick. I really hope your fanjo starts to heal it must be a bloody nightmare. Has gone on for much longer than mine did and that was bad. That said, my fourth birth seems to have overwritten any remaining niggles so have hope. grin

Seems like more of you are having good nights, woop woop. <is it nearly time for the party emoticon?>

StuntNun Mon 22-Apr-13 07:19:52

Kyz I don't rate E45, especially for babies' skin. I suspect it is heavily pushed by the manufacturer. Try some emollient cream such as Oilatum, Aveeno, Dermol or Cetroban. Avoid aqueous cream like the plague! It's probably just dry skin, eczema would be more likely to look sore and inflamed. It doesn't really matter as the treatment is the same - apply the cream frequently.

I do declutter around DH Kyz but I can't do much about his stuff. I cleared a load of stuff from under the desk - guitar pedals, cases, steering wheel, briefcase, etc. Now I can study with my legs under the desk for the first time in two years! But I put it all in a bin bag so he'll probably end up putting it back as there's nowhere else to put it. I don't actually mind the whisky Pass as I bought him a lovely walnut drinks cabinet to put them all in.

Clarella and MaMa we were still in full on sleep regression at 19 weeks, it will suddenly get better soon.

J woke umpteen times during the night and I am shattered. I'm wondering if it's because DH left him to CIO yesterday. He said he was settling him to sleep but when I went in J was bawling his lamps out in his cot. DH hadn't put his pyjamas or sleeping bag on or read him a story and he had a dirty nappy. No wonder he wasn't self-settling. Might have to try and engineer some quality cot time today to get him over it.

PurplePidjin Mon 22-Apr-13 07:29:22

He did 3-6:15 in the end, so better than i feared. Unfortunately i spent the night having nasty dreams about being out of control, so feel like shit. Doesn't help that i dropped the stick blender on my big toe yesterday which has left a nice half moon cut and giant bruise. Off to eat naice ham and cake with a crocheting friend today though which will cheer me up and give dp a chance to rest!

I'm so using cacastrophe, dp worked in Paris for a while so will get it grin

R's sleep has turned a corner in the last week or so - 22 weeks today - which should give some of you hope. I think this crapper one was because he needed to nap (10 mins) at 5:30 but dinner was ready and i thought it was later so i made him stay awake. So he was exhausted and fell asleep an hour early. 2 weeks ago I'd have been thrilled with that much sleep blush

MaMaPo Mon 22-Apr-13 07:40:42

Cacastrophe - love it. Oh those frogs with no sense of humour. I can just see the scene of them patiently explaining the correct pronunciation while you roll your eyes.

Ok night here - I mean, up loads but not every hour. Glad to hear hints could actually get better?!

MissMummy1 Mon 22-Apr-13 07:40:54

Oh no, lots of hugsneeded this morning sad

Sophia you are amazing xxxx

I have a QQ. I bought some TT formula dispensers yesterday. The instructions say fill bottle with boiling water and then put required amount of formula into dispenser. Put dispenser in top of bottle and then leave until needed. Now my issue with this is, the formula will then be made up with cold water when you are ready? Not 70deg. But the physics of it mean the formula dispenser will be submerged in boiling water when you make the bottle up. Would that kill the germs? There is so much conflicting advice !

GTbaby Mon 22-Apr-13 08:18:20

Mm. I don't believe submerging dispenser kills germs. N actually found using it that way a pain. Water can get into the formula. I just keep them separate. I found the 3 section dispenser more useful. Bought mine from tesco for about £3. Advent do one if u want to look for the style online.
TT one has to many bits. And I don't sterilise mine every day. But that's a choice u make yourself.
As for adding Formula to cooled boiled water that's a whole different kettle of fish discussions right there.

Det started a thread called Formula feeders faff free Fred. Have a look for tips on making formula up.

BigPigLittlePig Mon 22-Apr-13 08:44:25

I'm hoping the fact it was quiet overnight meant that babies were actually <whispers> sleeping?

After Fs late night, she was still up at 2. I was supremely lazy and ended up cosleeping from then. She seems happier this morning and has found her voice again which means the reflux is improving. It's a very odd thing, to have a baby who stops cooing and starts croaking like a frog.

pr loving the cacatrophe (not literally, tthat would be gross). And there's nothing wrong with personal jokes. I have one or two hundreds that dh wouldn't get, so often find myself sniggering, alone blush

ChasingDaisy Mon 22-Apr-13 08:52:00

Just an average night here last night, up a few times and in bed with me at 5:30 where he clung to me until he woke up. Poor sod. He also wouldn't ne put down for his first nap so j am pinned to the sofa. I really wish I knew when he would start sleeping for longer stretches at night, it is starting to get to me a bit now sad

MM the most important thing is to add the powder to water above 70 degrees. You could take a flask of hot water, a sterilised bottle and the formula and make them up fresh when out and about. Cartons are also good.

Luis have you decided on a plan of attack for your knee?

VQ and Chunky I would love to hear how your dds' birthdays went. I am so looking forward to throwing O birthday parties. Have already started planning his first birthday in my head grin

BigPigLittlePig Mon 22-Apr-13 09:06:06

<waves at chasing>

I'm also pinned to the sofa - nothing changes!

MaMaPo Mon 22-Apr-13 09:10:27

I am listening to my baby resolutely not settling and will soon be pinned to sofa with the rest of you.

Clarella Mon 22-Apr-13 09:13:07

kyz I second something like aveeno which has worked wonders on lo's skin and ours!

oh dear stunt sorry you're still battling sleep. I'm starting to question this regression thing though - I think g is just a terrible sleeper with terrible wind issues wink sad I watched him trying to 'self sooth' while his tummy rumbled and he farted and it's usually writhing that wakes him. (maybe bed side cot gives too much info!) or is this totally normal?!

I'm questioning the trimethoprim today though as the thrush is still on his tongue and I'm convinced it gives him wind - it's listed in the side effects.

Clarella Mon 22-Apr-13 09:13:51

I'm feeding to sleep pinned to the bed!

Kyzordz Mon 22-Apr-13 09:15:18

gt I keep having LO in bed with me after about 4am, he's so snuffly he just doesn't settle well ATM sad I hope it doesn't cause long term problems but it's my current solution to the lack of sleep we're both having! Fc your LO will be fine smile

Aw pp glad it wasn't tooooo bad in the end

clarella sounds like you had a lovely time! Can't remember when LO went back to normal ignoring last few nights but his didn't last too long really

pr cacastrophe is brilliant! No wonder they never seem to find anything funny over there, they're missing out on made up words! Do they have any funny phrases, like we say stuff like makes my teeth itch or tickled me pink?

Thanks stunt it doesn't look too sore but the patches are red and have just gone all over since using the e45. I just used it because I got told to and thought it would be ok, but it's not done him any favours! Doctors at 10:10

Do you perhaps have an attic to stick stuff in stunt? That's what I do with most of it. He rarely even notices I've moved it! Poor j, hope he's alright in his cot again soon

mm if Tilly is on a regular formula could you use the cartons? I so would if Eric wasn't on AR milk

Clarella Mon 22-Apr-13 09:20:44

my biggest issue is I've ended up putting him propped on my breastfeeding pillow after a 4 or 5am feed - and at the moment that's the longest he then sleepsblush but then I'm just not able to function if I don't get that extra bit of sleep. its terrible I know but a) he cant roll, b)actually sleeps (till wind wakes him crying) and c) is such a light sleeper he'd wake if he did roll and d) I don't know what the fuck else to do. he doesn't even sleep on me anymore at that timesad

co sleeping only makes the bf easier he doesn't sleep any batter like 2 of my friend's babies.

Clarella Mon 22-Apr-13 09:21:53


BigPigLittlePig Mon 22-Apr-13 09:24:37

Clarella when I cosleep, it involves F lying on her side cuddled into my arms and chest - not feeding or even able to - and with our duvet over her legs. Or I hoik her up the bed so her torso is on my pillow and she is touching noses with me. I know she can't go anywhere as my arms stop her rolling.

No idea what proper co-sleeping is
Think I break every rule in the book by doing the above

ValiumQueen Mon 22-Apr-13 09:30:32

MM I have been pondering the same thing. And why do you need six of the little fuckers? Yesterday when we went out I used the bottle jacket and it was just right for drinking at 3 hours after making with boiling water. The little pot things I would just put in an empty bottle if I knew I was going somewhere with boiling water, or take a flask with me.

fruitpastilles Mon 22-Apr-13 09:33:34

bp that's exactly what I do with S on the nights she ends up in with us.

fruitpastilles Mon 22-Apr-13 09:37:51

I soooo wish I could use the cartons for S, she's also on the anti reflux milk and it's a pita. The only good thing is that the water doesn't have to be 70 degrees to make it up. I put water in the bottles and per measured powder in the avent dispenser, then I use an avent thermal bottle carrier thing to put the bottles in.

Sophiathesnowfairy Mon 22-Apr-13 09:41:59

stunt if you are not decluttering by the autumn I am coming up to crack whip!

TheDetective Mon 22-Apr-13 09:46:55

BP I have O either on our sides chest to chest with me with my arm around him, or lying across my chest. I have a v shape pillow which is under my arm, which reassures me that I won't drop him out of bed like DP! or if he is in the middle (he gets pissed off on one side, and needs regular rolling!-- then I shove a pillow behind him so DP doesn't roll towards him. Either way, he seems safe, and it's a big enough bed. Plus he is swaddled. No rolling in swaddle much to his disdain!.

Good night for us last night. 6.30 feed, and DP thought he was up for the dau. Proved wrong once again. I put him back to sleep grin til 7.45. So he did 7.30-6.30 then a bit more sleep. Awesome. Keep it up O!

Sleep regression seems to have fucked off for now. It lasted 4-5 weeks. And consisted of 2am and 6am feeds plus wakings up too. I think it fucked off between 19-20 weeks while we were in Switzerland. We've had 2 bad nights since, and that was because both times he had no swaddle after epic voms.

I am having a scratching head moment. The last few days, when I have gone in to O's room at night, it absolutely fucking stinks. I have no idea why. I've investigated. Can't find a reason. confused

It smells like kebab. It's minging. It isn't O, as he smells of not a lot when I sniff him! It is in the air. It isn't outside the room either. It hits you like a sack of shit when you open the door. Any ideas?!!!!

MsJupiterJones Mon 22-Apr-13 09:48:50

MM no I would agree that immersing the dispenser in hot water won't kill germs. I love those TT dispensers as they fit right inside the bottle. I then make it up with hot water. Usually I only do it somewhere with a kettle but once or twice I've used water from a cafe's coffee machine, does anyone else know if this is ok?

VQ I am very interested in your bottle jacket. I thought you either had to use within 1hr or cool & reheat. That sounds easier. How is the vegan btw?

TheDetective Mon 22-Apr-13 09:49:38

O is asleep in his car seat. If he falls asleep on the school run - which he seems to do half way home - then his eyes ping open as soon as you walk through the front door. I've been home half an hour. He's been asleep since 9!

BigPigLittlePig Mon 22-Apr-13 09:51:06

detective vom/wee/poo on carpet? Have you moved furniture to check for things mice? Other than that, shake n vac is your friend lol.

TheDetective Mon 22-Apr-13 09:58:08

There is nothing to actually move lol! Nothing can get behind his wardrobe, and I can see under the cot! I'm going to hire a carpet cleaner, as the dog keeps pissing on DS1's carpet, and I want to get it properly cleaned rather than constantly cleaning it with all kinds. So I will use it in O's room in the hope it gets rid of the smell.

The dog hasn't pissed on his carpet. I did check that too!

Will it be safe for O to sleep in his room after cleaning the tiny bit of carpet??

TooManyDicksOnTheDancefloor Mon 22-Apr-13 09:58:31

Morning all! Hope everyone is well. We're all good here although B is having her lip and tongue lasered on Friday blush, I'm a bit scared about this.

I'm thinking about changing to reusable nappies, I don't really know where to start so was wondering if someone with great wisdom could explain it to me please grin.

We're off for a nice long walk today in the sunshine, can't wait to get out and stretch my legs. I've been doing slimming world and I've lost 5lbs so far so I'm feeling much better about myself.

ChasingDaisy Mon 22-Apr-13 09:59:42

pig your description of co-sleeping is exactly what we do here. O used to sleep on my chest but he doesn't find that comfy anymore, so we both lay on our sides facing each other, him cradled in my arm and snuggled up to me. I luffs it.

PetiteRaleuse Mon 22-Apr-13 10:02:49

Au contraire they have a great sense of humour in France, and love wordplay (see it as a sign of intelligence). But I think they don't like it when a foreigner mangles their language.

Yes kyz there are loads of funny expressions. Where to start.

That said it took me a long time to get used to their sense of humour. It is very different - a bit more slapstick than British stuff. I have a very dark sense of humour, and people are a little taken aback sometimes. For example in the ambulance when I dropped LO on her head one of the paramedics, who had said I could let her sleep, asked if she had fallen asleep. I answered yes, she's sleeping like a baby, who's been dropped on her head. My way of handlng a horrible situation, but she was a little hmm

Lots of situations like that especially in medical context. Which is unfair as I know medics have a dark sense of humour, even in France. They just don't like it when patients start making the same kind of jokes. When I was under general having my stomach surgery I woke up at some point, just briefly, and didn't feel pain - it just felt like the surgeon was painting my tummy. Anyway they of course realised and I was knocked out again immediately, and a few days later when I came round and was able to talk to them I kept taking the piss, and they never knew if I was being serious or not. grin They ended up asking me to stop as patients waking up during surgery was their worst nightmare grin

Clarella Mon 22-Apr-13 10:07:34

oh I feel a bit better. I think the sids guidelines make you utterly paranoid. I have no issues with him sleeping in a car seat ffs! I stretch and tuck a sheet over the .bf pillow (v shaped dream genie) and it basically is quite a solid prop. maybe I don't get so hung up about it and go with it if it works for
now. he's on a bed side cot too so I check him when I'm awake and he doesn't budge.

ahhhh the sun makes things sooooo much better!

BigPigLittlePig Mon 22-Apr-13 10:08:08

F is still asleep. I'm watching Secret Eaters and craving biscuits.

PetiteRaleuse Mon 22-Apr-13 10:10:33

clarella with DD1 we used to stretch a sheet over the feeding cushion. It worked to keep us from rolling on her and to stop her from slipping under the covers.

LO has never co-slept and I have no intention of starting even if I ever manage to kick DD1 out of our bed. I am desperate to have our bed back to ourselves again and not just because I want to shag more

ValiumQueen Mon 22-Apr-13 10:12:23

JJ I tested the jacket the other day. After 2 hours from boiling it was hot enough to mix milk (over 70) and the milk I use can be kept for 2 hours once made, so I calculate so long as it is used within 4 hours it is safe. Above 70 germs are killed. My milk actually says leave kettle 30 mins before mixing but does not say how big the kettle is or how much to put in it or indeed what temp it should be. If baby has had a swig it is chucked an hour later and new bottle offered if still hungry.

ValiumQueen Mon 22-Apr-13 10:16:27

Dicks I am considering selling all my fluff. I can barely keep up with the family washing as it is, and have not used washables for a few weeks now. I will give it one last shot. If I can get in a routine I will be ok, but there has been a lot to deal with recently with swapping to formula and all the problems with feeding. I recommend popping over to the fluff thread for advice, although PP is a big fan, largely through necessity, but the love shines through smile

StuntNun Mon 22-Apr-13 10:19:02

If anyone had stretch marks they're worried about, I received a Kelocote stretch mark cream today for participating in their MN product. It's unopened so if you want it let me know and I'll post it to you.

StuntNun Mon 22-Apr-13 10:19:34

* MN product test

ValiumQueen Mon 22-Apr-13 10:20:20

And the vegan is still a vegan. He says this is him for life. If so then he will get a lot thinner. He is also buying his own food from his pocket money, or at least the specialist stuff. I do not begrudge him the odd carrot or lentil.

TooManyDicksOnTheDancefloor Mon 22-Apr-13 10:24:39

Thanks vq, where is the fluff thread?

Passmethecrisps Mon 22-Apr-13 10:36:27

P just reached out for a toy hanging on the play gym! Woo hoo. She wasn't terrible interested in What she found but it's a start. Actually, she's proper twatting it now.

I use the TT dispensers when I am out and about and not sure how long we will be. I use water from a kettle or a coffee machine. I use the one in Ikea - don't see why it should be a problem. The TT dispensers are a faff as there are too many bits and each bit needs to be bone dry before using. I used all six when staying at my Parent's and the in laws as I didn't trust their fridges for pre-making and havig the formula pre-measured is a wee job done.

For what it's worth I always make the bottles from just boiled water. I suspect the 30 minute thing is to prevent scalding.

P slept pretty well eventually last night but seemed to be dreaming. I kept being woken by her crying out and making noises but when I went through she was asleep.

Clarella Mon 22-Apr-13 10:36:41

g has woken from wrong side of cot/pillow today mega clingy n fettely.

pr I swear lo isn't bothered about cosleeping in the slightest. he just wants to sleep. in comfy places. might see how he does on pillow tonight to get us through this bit!

ok up here 'fluff' is a nice sling (unless I'm missing a trick) is it other stuff too?

Passmethecrisps Mon 22-Apr-13 10:40:00

Reuseable nappies clarella

Clarella Mon 22-Apr-13 10:40:07

too many - seriously the tongue will make a difference. will pm you later with some exercises we were told to do. I know how you feel though! I felt sick for days before.

Clarella Mon 22-Apr-13 10:40:48


ChasingDaisy Mon 22-Apr-13 10:40:52

pass I emailed C&G about using freshly boiled water to make up feeds and they said that boiling water can kill the nutrients in the milk. I usually leave it 15mins and the water is about 80 degrees.

Clarella Mon 22-Apr-13 10:41:53

good news about the twatting grin

vq I've missed who is a vegan .... dh?

ValiumQueen Mon 22-Apr-13 10:48:16

Yes. My DH has decided to be a vegan. Most folk would start by being a veggie and working their way up. I have thought about mentioning his shoes but wish to avoid further expense. He used to work in a slaughter house.

The fluff threads are in the products section I think. Under nappies. On phone so cannot link sorry.

ValiumQueen Mon 22-Apr-13 10:51:40

I have wondered about killing off nutrients too if boiling water is used, although it is ok to scald bm? So bloody confusing.

DD2 is so good on the iPad she has learned how to download free apps. All the settings are appropriate so she cannot buy anything or view anything inappropriate.

StuntNun Mon 22-Apr-13 10:56:55

Thanks Sophia wink

Those with older kids, do you have an embarrassing amount of toys? I'm looking at the Moshi Monsters which DS1 and DS2 are too old for and wondering whether to keep them for J or not? Some things are no brainers like Duplo or Brio but I would love to lose some of the toys. We have an entire crate of matchbox-type cars and DS1 and DS2 both bought another two each at the weekend with their pocket money. Seriously I can't get the lid closed. We were so poor when DS1 was born, everything was either cheap or from a charity shop, I think we over-compensated when our fortunes improved. But DH will come home with random toys for the boys. Last week he bought them new Nerf guns, clearly the 20-odd they already have weren't sufficient.

PetiteRaleuse Mon 22-Apr-13 11:12:46

stunt I use nap times to get rid of incomplete or tired looking toys, teddies and the stuff the fucking dog has chewed. I'm keeping everything that's in good condition for LO.

TheDetective Mon 22-Apr-13 11:16:54

You were seconds away from getting a personal message from O!! Little bugger got to the laptop while I was cleaning, and had typed a message!!

O woke up in a brilliant mood this morning! He chilled in the swing he hates it for anything but sleeping usually while I got DS1 sorted, and then he was happy in the car seat for the whole school run. He had a good hour long nap, and woke up happy again! So I decided to chance it, and left him in the car seat while I ran the hoover round. He stayed happily watching. So I decided to do a more thorough hoovering, and popped him in the high chair. I did the whole of downstairs fucking dog hair and then as he was still happy, I have cleaned the upvc on the front door and living room windows. Then I gave the windows a polish too. Well, where I could reach! Didn't want to risk climbing!

O stayed in the high chair happily! So that was a full hour cleaning up, and him entertaining himself! He thought it was very funny when he could see me cleaning the windows! grin

My fanjo is surprisingly holding up too! Excellent!

Think I might get ready now and take O to town for a late lunch. smile

What a difference a happy baby and non hurting fanjo makes! grin

BigPigLittlePig Mon 22-Apr-13 11:16:55

Stunt dsd has sooo much stuff here don't even get me started on what she has at her mums and the only stuff I plan to keep is playmobil, the dolls house and some jigsaws/family games. The rest will be dispensed with when she no longer plays with it. I figure that F will get more than enough given/bought over the years. Dsd is very materialistic already, which is a crying shame, and I'm keen to avoid that with F. Anyway. I think what I'm saying is keep the duplo and brio and cars, but carboot/charity shop the rest. Use it as a project for your older boys - see how much money they can raise at a carboot, for a special toy mummys goody fund?

BigPigLittlePig Mon 22-Apr-13 11:19:32

Detective this morning I am going to trump your dog hair disaster with what my cat has left me as a present. Fucking cat vom. On the utility room floor (tiled) - easily dealt with. On the rug. Trickier, but dealt with. On a pile of clean clothes. Dealt with. And yet the smell persists. Because he has also vommed inside the laundry basket. Ffs. Every day I seem to be cleaning up cat sick. Fucking hairballs or summat.

TheDetective Mon 22-Apr-13 11:20:44

I'm not too bad with toys Stunt but that is only because I sold a lot of the good stuff to fund more stuff in my poorer years. Plus the fact I didn't know when I would have another.

This time I'm keeping it for the next last one. I don't have much room for stuff, but at least toys both wooden and plastic can go in the loft without too much worry. A sterilising wipe will make them good again for another child.

Me and DS1 watched old videos of him last night, and I think he was quite taken back. I think he somehow thought I treated him differently to O. He often says he thinks O has more clothes/toys than he did, and I play with O more than with him. Well, the proof was in those videos! He apologised for moaning at me! He had an unbelievable amount of toys, and he saw me doing exactly the same things with him as I do with O, talking, playing, singing etc. Kids are strange creatures!

TheDetective Mon 22-Apr-13 11:21:44

Oh dear BP! You win grin.

TheDetective Mon 22-Apr-13 11:27:52

Although I am not sure it was something you wanted to win grin.

StuntNun Mon 22-Apr-13 11:32:34

The problem is if I pick a toy and say, "Oh you never use this jigsaw any more lets give it to the charity shop" then it automatically becomes the favouritist toy in the whole world. But if I spirit away a deformed teddy they got at a party then suddenly they'll be desperately looking for it for something. hmm

BigPigLittlePig Mon 22-Apr-13 11:36:16

Stunt with dsd I told her that we were going to sell some of her toys. Cue crestfallen face evil stepmother. But then I pointed out that a) she didn't play with them and b) the proceeds would go towards her summer holiday spending money. You could also revert to c) inform them that if they don't pick then you will really evil

TheDetective Mon 22-Apr-13 11:37:18

I just chuck and feign ignorance. No idea where it's gone. You must have left it somewhere. grin

And that's just at DP grin

BigPigLittlePig Mon 22-Apr-13 11:43:22

I did that with something of dsds. Turns out she has a remarkable memory when it suits her. I have had to lie through my teeth. She still sometimes asks where it is blush

QQ - F is dribbly. Very dribbly. She wears a towelling bib which soaks up most of it, but she's starting to get a red lumpy rash under her chin, where the drool escapes. Is there anything I can do/put on it to make sure it doesn't get any worse?

kirrinIsland Mon 22-Apr-13 11:44:59

Boiling water kills off the nutrients but less than 70 degrees doesn't kill the bad stuff. I use a probe thermometer, put the water in the bottle, stand the bottle in cold water and it takes about a minute to cool to around 75. Add the powder, cool quickly and store in fridge. I could use a flask and thermometer out and about but I'm a lazy moo so I use the individuals. The SMA ones can be fed straight from the bottle with their reusable teats.

I am also currently pinned down by a sleeping baby.

stunt I've been decluttering lately - all my stuff though - it feels good!
Once I've finished mucking out our bedroom I'm getting the cleaners in for a thorough deep clean of the whole house except the spare room which is so full of crap it'll take years to sort out

Passmethecrisps Mon 22-Apr-13 11:58:42

I have managed to fill a whole large load washing machine with entirely pink items.

Evilwater Mon 22-Apr-13 11:59:22

Sorry to read of all the problems Espally detective with her fanjo.
* big* work is a major bummer!

I've phoned up work, just to remind them that I have no uniforms (i had to give them to the new girl) and about me coming back part time. My manger is not thier today. I still cant get into my work emails, and stuff! Which means ill have to phone up th IT people, and get an earful about not logging in every month.


MaMaPo Mon 22-Apr-13 12:32:46

Question for those of you whose babies nap/sleep unswaddled and with a dummy - how do you stop them from pulling out the dummy? Both swaddles are in the wash and C Is doing crazy flailing and keeps dislodging her dummy. She's so tired, she's bursting into proper tears. Help!

Passmethecrisps Mon 22-Apr-13 12:38:11

mama welcome to my world! P eventually stops wrenching the dummy out when she gets sleepy enough. I have taken to rocking and shoosh patting her to a certain stage of sleepiness before putting her in the cot. Then, if necessary, I hold her hands while still shooshing. It is a long process.

Passmethecrisps Mon 22-Apr-13 12:38:49

mama do you have a sleeping bag? You could tuck her arms in.

MaMaPo Mon 22-Apr-13 12:43:38

Tried tucking arms in - no dice, she got fingers through neck hole and pushed the dummy out. She was asleep for transfer but woke up. All the shushing and holding her arms just revved her into screams.

Have abandoned stupid crib - goodbye productivity. I have to sit here with baby. Grr.

Clarella Mon 22-Apr-13 12:46:19

oh dear vq. I'd be ratherhmm.

and would find not pointing out things like shoes extremely hard. and the whole bees make the world go round thing.

my baby is v weird today. all other napping techniques were exhausted so I put him in the pram and he waited completely silent staring till I was ready (I stretched it out to see if he'd drop off sooner) and promptly went to sleep as soon as we started moving. he doesn't know what he wants today - I'm wondering if the excitement of yesterday has left him finding the world too dull today!

Clarella Mon 22-Apr-13 12:51:04

I must admit that being of an art background and also a primary school teacher I am a terrible hoarder and all you describe my dh tries on me

however I'm already looking at how ti get rid of toys that have been offloaded on to us grin

Clarella Mon 22-Apr-13 13:46:40

ok weird child. genuinely finding a muslin over his face the most amusing thing ever. quite capable of removing. when I lift it he's grinning and laughing beneath. legs kicking frantically. maybe I don't need a jumperoo after all!

MsJupiterJones Mon 22-Apr-13 13:49:13

MaMaPo - pramsuit! (I undo it once he's asleep)

fruitpastilles Mon 22-Apr-13 15:57:12

Gosh it's quiet on here this afternoon. I hope this means mummies and babies are all off having a lovely time somewhere.
I was supposed to be making a dent in the housework today, but things haven't quite gone to plan and I'm still living in a mess shit tip dp best not moan about it when he gets in!

ChasingDaisy Mon 22-Apr-13 16:03:41

I'm here, pinned to the sofa by a sleeping baby clinging onto my hair. Poor sod has done a lot of crying today sad Think he is still poorly from jabs, teething and very tired. Having a quiet few days with him to help him recover.

issimma Mon 22-Apr-13 16:08:46

Another one pinned to the sofa and getting stingy eyes from too much mn-ing! Toddler asleep too <whoops>.

fruitpastilles Mon 22-Apr-13 16:19:28

Aww chasing poor O, he hasn't been well for a few day now has he bless him, I hope he perks up soon. At least you get extra cuddles though smile

ChasingDaisy Mon 22-Apr-13 16:26:34

Stingy eyes here too grin

fruit he's been off since his jabs on Friday, only managing an hour awake before getting very tired. He is teething too and not sleeping well. Poor little thing. He's managing smiles when awake though and enjoyed nomming cucumber while I ate lunch smile He cried when I took it away hmm

PetiteRaleuse Mon 22-Apr-13 16:36:11

I've been doing laundry and ironing. Exciting stuff

Kyzordz Mon 22-Apr-13 16:40:35

I'm here, running round like a tit in a trance trying to get things cleaned. Fun!

Poor o chasing hope he feels better soon!

Clarella Mon 22-Apr-13 16:44:24

oh poor o chasing - g has been off after every set of jabs. but I remember how crap I felt after the wc jab and the flu jab together so poor babies must feel rubbish. I'm really failing with house work today!

ChasingDaisy Mon 22-Apr-13 16:50:51

Housework? What's that then?

MsJupiterJones Mon 22-Apr-13 17:01:28

Is it this one VQ?

I also thought it was meant to be cooled after boiling so as not to kill the nutrients. My formula instructions say to boil 1 litre of water and then leave for 1/2 an hour at which point it will be 70 degrees. I do this pretty religiously but have occasionally used a cafe's coffee machine if out.

GTbaby Mon 22-Apr-13 17:08:52

Lol clarella. My bubs is the same. Will pull muslin onto his face. Kick his feet. Shake his arms around n laugh when I take it off. He loves it.

BigPigLittlePig Mon 22-Apr-13 17:11:05

Ha! I've been here too with stingy eyes but thought you'd all think I was a sad act if I was the only one who posted. Chasing F has started to pick up today post jabs, so hopefully O will follow suit - I think his were the day after?

She has napped today, on me, then the sofa, then we had a bit of a snooze together just now. I unceremoniously dumped her on the sofa and legged it to the kitchen to put the oven on for tea - she's still sound asleep now, 20 minutes later grin. I wonder whether she'll sleep better or worse for all her napping today...

There's so much conflicting information about formula, isn't there? It seems like the most confusing thing in the world so does weaning which is why I'm ignoring it for now

BigPigLittlePig Mon 22-Apr-13 17:13:14

Have just had a little snigger about the thought that there's a bunch of us, lonely, pinned to the sofa, searching Fred for signs of life and failing. Not how I imagined maternity leave - I had visions of being out and about having leisurely coffees whilst by baby slept in her pram <snorts>

PetiteRaleuse Mon 22-Apr-13 17:27:00


Glamourous innit this maternity leave malarkey.

ValiumQueen Mon 22-Apr-13 17:28:26

JJ yep that is the one. It is fab.

What is making everyone's eyes stingy? Have I missed something?

J has not been happy today. It cannot be the formula as the only think left for him to react to is soy. He cannot react to that to surely? He was spectacularly vomitus at his first feed, then reluctant to feed again and clearly having stomach pains. I took him up for a nap and his bottom lip went when I put him in the cot. Never done that before. Broke my heart and I brought him downstairs again. He napped in his bouncer briefly, then the pushchair from 3-5. He did a horrendous poo at lunchtime. Green paint again. So stinky too. He seems a bit better now, but earlier cried when my mum started making animal noises to try to entertain him. He was bereft!

MissMummy1 Mon 22-Apr-13 17:46:26

I have spent all day appeasing velcro baby and dealing with sodding enterprise. They were onoy 2 hours late picking up the car but that is the tip of the iceberg. I am awaiting a phonecall fromthe regional manager to discuss my complaint confused

I will also be complaining to tommee tippee. I kmew those formula instructions were wrong angry

Seems I am giving M a run for her money for biggest whingebag today blush

ChasingDaisy Mon 22-Apr-13 17:49:22

VQ tis MN reading making everyone's eyes sting.

pig that describes my life perfectly! Tomorrow I promise to post when I am pinned to the sofa all day instead of constantly refreshing the thread and my heart dropping when I see nobody has posted and obviously has a better life than me grin

ChasingDaisy Mon 22-Apr-13 17:50:03

MM I think Detective complained to TT about a similar thing....

BigPigLittlePig Mon 22-Apr-13 17:50:18

VQ stingy eyes from looking at a screen MNing for too long.

BigPigLittlePig Mon 22-Apr-13 17:51:55

Hahahahaha chasing that sums my activities up entirely!! Poise the mouse over the refresh button and every so often click, and try to pretend I'm not a little bit gutted when nothing's changed twat

ChasingDaisy Mon 22-Apr-13 17:54:12

grin pig. Tomorrow we shall post!

PurplePidjin Mon 22-Apr-13 17:58:39

Happy to answer fluffy questions, what do you want to know? 2 ticks and I'll link the nappy chat fred smile

Got the cutest sun hat for him in h+m, will post pic on fb

YellowWellies Mon 22-Apr-13 18:00:34

VQ 40% of CMPI babies react to soy - so there are pretty good odds its that I'm afraid sad

We're off weaning for a couple of weeks, even with one tiny cube of benign parsnip he had dreadful sleep and tummy ache. I could hear it gurgling. He woke four times! I forget adjusted he is only five months. So I'm ahead of the game with a freezer full of purée and will give his wee tum a break then start again. Poor little soul loves his food (and goes nuts when we eat) it just doesn't love him. Dietician (paediatric specialist) said no worries if we leave it as late as 9 months - so Kyz ignore your sister's daft comment about babies not learning to swallow if not eating solids by a certain date.

I got him to nap not on me!!! In the pushchair in the house after a walk. This could be the future. I need to wake him now.

OK I think I couldn't do formula after reading the recent chat - it sounds like a chemistry PhD is needed. My disorganisation / slatternliness would result in a lot of tummy bugs. blush blush blush blush blush

Sophiathesnowfairy Mon 22-Apr-13 18:14:55

bp we have that too. I use Aveeno or aloe gelly to sooth with vaseline on top as a barrier. Seems to really help.

Until I forget.

PurplePidjin Mon 22-Apr-13 18:43:53
MsJupiterJones Mon 22-Apr-13 18:59:23

Yep VQ dairy & soy allergy likely linked.

I have also been guilty of refresh, refresh especially this aft when I went to meet my mums group and was the only one who turned up for the first hr <loser emoticon>

Talking of waiting for messages, please may I have a mini whinge and say WHY WON'T MY WORK TELL ME IF THEY ARE ACCEPTING MY FLEXIBLE WORK REQUEST PROPOSAL? Sorry. Just... I'm meant to be going back in a month! Really want to know what I'm doing. They have till next week to respond but said they'd try to do it sooner as it has been dragging on, so I've been glued to my phone. Arggghhh.

fruitpastilles Mon 22-Apr-13 19:03:00

Haha chasing and bp that's what I was doing all afternoon aswell, can't believe there was 2 hours where no-one posted.

jj I hate waiting for things like that too. Speaking of which I really should tell work that I'm not going back, although I'm not due back till October anyway so I can leave it a little longer. Dreading telling them!

Passmethecrisps Mon 22-Apr-13 19:09:30

Doh. Why don't they say that the temp is vital due to nutrients? My tin says nothing about that. Ok. I will be a good girl and make them properly from now on like DH tells me to

That sounds so frustrating JJ. Why don't they just get on with it?

Last session of baby massage today. Sad to lose a Monday activity but it wasn't my favourite thing. Nice lady and interesting stuff but just a slightly funny crowd.

BigPigLittlePig Mon 22-Apr-13 19:09:46

Tomorrow I shall be leaving the house, we have baby group and possibly a trip to the vet

ChasingDaisy Mon 22-Apr-13 19:16:59


I have no plans tomorrow. Or Wednesday. Thursdays plan consists of going to Morrisons to buy veg to puree.

My life is so exciting it scares me.

BigPigLittlePig Mon 22-Apr-13 19:21:07

I deliberately won't be returning our library books tomorrow, just so I have something to do on Thursday. Rock. And. Roll.

YellowWellies Mon 22-Apr-13 19:22:21

I'm trying to leave the house every day - today's indoor activity was purée making - then a visit to my sister. Tomo after sticking a wash on, we're off to our new local baby group to try to make some friends in our new town then off to see my sister and MMs mummy and to old HV to get the bear weighed. I'm trying to get out every day for sanity. But I still have soooooo much unpacking to do. Wednesday I'm waiting in for plus net engineer to connect broadband (I hope) so likely to go a bit mad confused confused confused confused confused I WILL do some unpacking that day and sit on MN

YellowWellies Mon 22-Apr-13 19:23:19

I'm glad I'm not the only one with small challenges!!!! / exciting whirlwind of activity blush grin

fruitpastilles Mon 22-Apr-13 19:23:36

Me and you tomorrow then chasing I have no plans either. Going to Jo jingles baby group on weds though, score!

BigPigLittlePig Mon 22-Apr-13 19:25:33

I thought I'd finally unpacked all our boxes. Then I found 2 more angry. They are unpacked - it's only taken 6 months haha - and with all this time on my hands!? What have I been doing?! MN and human milk machine

ChasingDaisy Mon 22-Apr-13 19:34:54

I did manage to leave the house 4 out of 5 days last week and O went out 6 of the last 7 days. Think he needs a few days quiet time to recover from feeling poorly. Pig O had his jabs on Friday, I think I remember you saying that F had hers on Thursday so am hoping a good night sleep tonight will help.

I think I need to find some new activities for me and O. Am off to a new baby group on Friday with my next door neighbour so that's a start.

MadamGazelleIsMyMum Mon 22-Apr-13 19:45:23

Good day had by DS at nursery. He slept well, ate enough and heartfelt apology from his lovely key Carer. So all settling down well. DH and I had a grown ups day. We're off on a super-classy Butlins mini-break tomorrow. Booked before DS was born because I thought it would be nice for us to spend some time together before my return to work. I overlooked the massive faff it is, travelling with 2 titchy people. With a car that doesn't fit the double buggy. We'll shove it all in somehow, and enjoy DD's enjoyment and no washing up for a few days.

I also make formula wrong. Always use boiling water. Oops.

Catbag Mon 22-Apr-13 19:54:44

stunt Am I too late the claim the stretch mark cream? I tried the c-section gel they did and was impressed with the results. After 6 children my stretch marks are something to behold!

Sorry to hear about mass-pinnings to the sofa (unless you are glad of the opportunity to sit!) and sore eyes. Also crappy nights. As S has regressed where sleeping is concerned, I sympathise. R too, a bit.

We have rolling now finally. R is like a hippo heaving herself onto her front grin. S is more like a porpoise, flipping about smile R is also mastering the art of sitting alone, which is awesome. I have been looking forward to them getting to the point where they can sit and play with toys.

QQ- although they are still ebf, I have been using the odd carton of formula to make up milky food for them, like porridge, etc. Both had eczema flare up on their ankles, and R had some in the crease of her big and wobbly neck/under chin bit. I switched them to goat's milk and R's neck cleared up, and both sets of ankles improved. That was a couple of weeks ago. Their ankles flared up again a few days ago, which coincided with me giving them some 'fruity porridge with yoghurt' type powdered breakfast stuff that contained milk powder. Stopped using it and their ankles improved. I am now convinced that it is anything with cow's milk in that is causing the problem. My question is this- how does one tell the difference between lactose intolerance and CMPI, and should I be doing anything else on top of what I already have? Should also mention that S started to show signs of being reflux-y at the same time and that settled down when cut those aforementioned things out.

Btw, having had S go reflux-y, those of you who are dealing with it on a regular basis have become my fucking heroes (vq, detective, yellow wellies- I am looking at you here). Worst week ever, capped off with S refusing to feed AT ALL for almost 9 hours a week yesterday. He was fine on Monday hmm, but I got an insight into how terrifying it was for you detective when O did the same. And as for the screaming... I was just destroyed sad

I have never had a problem with eczema or reflux with any of my kids before. Despite being on kids 5/6, it felt like being a new, inexperienced mum all over again sad

Catbag Mon 22-Apr-13 19:55:33

Holy epic post, Batman blush

Catbag Mon 22-Apr-13 19:58:57

Should also add that if it were not for all the wise words about reflux on here, I would not have had a CLUE what was wrong with him. I would have thought I'd broken him sad

Passmethecrisps Mon 22-Apr-13 20:05:43

Poor S catbag

It is likely that S has an allergy to CMP rather than an intolerance to either CM or lactose. Or could be both an allergy and an intolerance. Highly unlikely to be lactose. About 2% of babies have lactose intolerance and it tends to manifest itself very early. Usually as failure to thrive. Cow's milk is linked to causing excema flair ups and can exacerbate asthma. As S refused to eat that sounds like an intolerance as it makes their guts twist this being extremely painful. P's CMPI was diagnosed almost solely on her refusal to eat. Reflux alone rarely has this effect.

YellowWellies Mon 22-Apr-13 20:11:53

Cat bag more likely CMPI (true lactose intolerance is v rare - like 0.1% of babies and would have them reacting to the lactose in your BM) but mild enough it only affects them if directly consumed by R and S. The skin is classic intolerance. To avoid it becoming an issue don't feed them any more dairy until 8 months / year. And cut down yourself this week to prevent any crossover issues. Try papaya as a natural antacid. Be gentle with weaning this week to help their tums so nothing acidic. Parsnip, pear and papaya are the three best foods for reflux.

And send lots of cuddles from Captain Reflux - it sucks and makes even the basics of parenting so hard sometimes. Thanks for your kind words I know I whinge a lot about it but it can totally colour your day to day life. Today I discovered that Rowntree's randoms may contain milk traces - after I'd scoffed three hand fulls (was starving at station and the only thing that in the kiosk I thought I could eat sad ) so tonight might be err lively. confused

YellowWellies Mon 22-Apr-13 20:13:49

Haha glad to see Pass is also manning the CMPI red emergency phone grin grin grin