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December 2012: Dribbles, giggles and rolls!

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IsThatTrue Fri 12-Apr-13 19:41:14

Thought we should get a new thread before the night shift wink

Marking place...

WLmum Fri 12-Apr-13 19:53:23

Thanks isthat.
spotty I'm boobing T to sleep now and will go downstairs to do the bare minimum then bed myself. Was v pissed off last night as went to bed 9ish and hadn't even fallen asleep before her first wake up call. She used to go straight til about 2 - so depressing. I feel nauseous with tiredness.

PurplePidjin Fri 12-Apr-13 20:01:42

brew

2blessed Fri 12-Apr-13 20:04:01

Thanks isthat, marking place...

Currently watching tv in the bedroom with ds sleeping next to me. He's probably worn himself out with all the chatting and bubble blowing he's done today. smile

I haven't had a bath for... Three fucking days sad ds fell asleep but just woke up again and I thought dp had gone in but no, he was getting in his bath and when I moaned at him he had a go at me because he was only just getting a chance to have a bath (which he has every day) angrysad

WL that's like D - he used to got through till about 1 or 2. Not a chance of that now.

Thanks for the thread isthat

WLmum Fri 12-Apr-13 20:22:15

Well she's asleep now full to the brim - how long will it last? (Will pay good money for the answer I want rather than the one I'm going to get!)

Secondsop Fri 12-Apr-13 20:35:09

Checking in. Hello all.

itsMYNutella Fri 12-Apr-13 20:50:30

Thanks for the new thread isthat!

Well all I will say about last ghats sleep is 7hours grin I was asleep for about 6 straight hours, it was amazing!
But today was the second round (of three - next lot in another 4 weeks time) of vaccinations... Not sure how tonight is going to go confused poor little mite has been very sleepy on and off since his jabs at lunch time. He also had a massive poosplosion this afternoon so his belly shouldn't bother him tonight grin

FX for everyone else!

Checking in, mini Willyou is in bed but not asleep. He's eaten hardly anything today so goodness knows what that'll mean for later.

I have spoken to Mr Willyou, he's wankered. Couldn't get any sense out of him. God help magaluf tonight!

WLmum Fri 12-Apr-13 21:21:18

I hate DH going on stags as I worry about him!
Am just about to get into bed and do that afraid to breathe for fear of disturbing her thing. DH downstairs making a difficult phone call, hope he'll be up soon.

FriendofDorothy Fri 12-Apr-13 21:30:13

The Little Mister has had a few really disturbed nights.

The Mister has a stinking cold but keeps sighing which is annoying the living shit out of me.

WLmum Fri 12-Apr-13 21:30:52

Just slipped silently into my pjs!

WLmum Fri 12-Apr-13 21:31:57

fod I am clinging onto the word 'few'

IsThatTrue Fri 12-Apr-13 21:32:05

DH went up to bed while I sorted the dishwasher, washing machine and bread maker. Which disturbed DS, he had been asleep for 1 hr. I made a bottle and let DH settle DS (there was a carton of formula open from yesterday when I had a headache and got 30 mins kip, so I thought we might as well use it as throw it). I came back upstairs as he was finishing, for our quick snuggle and then back into his cot. Lets see what tonight brings, I have double breast pads on just in case!

Fx everyone else's lo's settle nicely tonight!

FriendofDorothy Fri 12-Apr-13 21:38:55

Oh, I should also say, the steroid injection seems to be helping my thumb and wrist. Hurray!

IsThatTrue Fri 12-Apr-13 21:52:45

Yay for your injection FoD I had slight carpel tunnel in pregnancy and that was bad enough!

Yay good news FoD grin at your DH and his sighing. Send him to bed if he's that ill!

Good luck everyone, I'm off for a bath and my solitary bed.

SkiBunnnnny Fri 12-Apr-13 21:57:34

Big hurray for FoD and Nutella!

Hope everyone gets good sleeps tonight.

Give that man a kick up the arse spotty!

LO seems to be napping less and less during the day now. They are still usually only 20-30 mins long but have gone from 5+ in a day to sometimes only 3... Does that seem like enough sleep?

It's going to be a long weekend. DH is on 14h days today tomorrow and Sunday and it started snowing again so don't really feel like leaving the house.

skiibunny my DH is on similar shifts all weekend sad
Good news FoD

Well ds and I were asleep on my bed then dp came up so I had to move him and now he's awake.

SkiBunnnnny Fri 12-Apr-13 22:41:21

I hate it honey, I get so sick of the sound of my own voice sometimes! We are hoping to move in a couple of months to somewhere less out of the way so I can find more things to do during the day.

ISpyPlumPie Sat 13-Apr-13 00:08:25

Checking in - thanks Isthat.

IsThatTrue Sat 13-Apr-13 00:25:37

ski and honey that's tough! DH is going to India next month for 2 weeks, I'm dreading doing everything alone for that long!

Secondsop Sat 13-Apr-13 01:22:09

isthat my husband has been in India for just over a week and is now in Dubai till next Thursday. Thank goodness my mum lives 5 minutes' drive away from me.

Not even two hours...

IsThatTrue Sat 13-Apr-13 03:44:44

seconds my mum is 4 hrs away sad mil is 5 minutes hmm

2blessed Sat 13-Apr-13 03:53:08

Good news about your thumb and wrist fod

MaMaPo Sat 13-Apr-13 05:52:58

I thought the old thread was quiet - has it been abandoned then?

Argh spotty. Hope you're fast asleep.

Our dream feed at the ridiculously early time of 9pm seemed to have worked - she took the bottle (yaaaaay), polished off 5oz and slept until 2.15am. Now she is full of wriggles - impending poo, I think.

IsThatTrue Sat 13-Apr-13 07:50:08

Sorry mama I just thought we may suddenly get to 1000 overnight without people checking number of posts and making a new thread. Last time we ran our of room it took some people me days to find the new one!

Well DS woke 11.30, 3.45, and now smile a lovely nights sleep. I did have to change my breast pads after the 3,45 feed but hopefully my body will adjust soon!

WLmum Sat 13-Apr-13 08:19:40

Hooray! honey look away now - she slept t 3.15! Back in her cot by 4.15, up again for quick feed at 5.15 then down til 7.45! Not as good as before but certainly in the right direction. I feel almost human again. Fx it's not a one off.

ski sadly I think that's fine for sleep! As long as lo is happy, it's enough. Will prob get more again once lo gets more active.

Just got invited out for a meal next Monday evening for bil's birthday. Hate all these people without children sad his birthday is on the Sunday...

Better night here - 8-11, 11.45-2, 3.20-5, 5.30-6.15, 6.20-7
If you'd said before I had D that I would think that was a good night's sleep I wouldn't have believed you

Now SIL is asking if just dp could go as it would mean a lot to bil even though dp is going out for sil's birthday the next Saturday and then out all day the next Sunday playing golf for other bil's birthday on top of football training and football. An I being a bit of a bitch?

Stacks Sat 13-Apr-13 09:04:41

Spotty you need to decide what you want and talk to your DH about it. If he's going to have every weekend off then you need something in return to look forward to. Organise a night out, or in, where DH does everything and you get some time in/wine/whatever.
Alternatively get him to choose which things he wants to do, or tell him what he can do - depends on how your relationship works. I'd be tempted to let him do BIL but not SIL. If she wants him at his birthday she can do without him at hers.
I told DH he could go out after work the other day for a colleagues birthday drinks, then texted him just a little while later to say actually, I'd rather you came home. It's hard being the one asking him to stay home and miss out on things, I want him to want to stay home and help me, not just give in when I ask. That was a bit of a ramble, sorry.

We've had a couple of ok nights here, Thursday night we had 12-3 then 3-6. I felt so good after. Last night wasn't quite as good, but we still got almost 3 hours of sleep in one go. Got our 16w jabs on Tuesday, just as the night times are getting better sad

utopian99 Sat 13-Apr-13 09:07:00

It does sound a bit hectic spotty, I guess they just have no idea of what effect having small children has on your social life yet?

Good news on the wrist fod
Well looks like we're hitting sleep regression. ds is only just over 15 weeks (16.5 from EDD) and slept 11-3 but then up every hour on the hour since..

Yeah it just really annoyed me how she said 'oh it would mean a lot to bil' rather than 'hope he can come but understand if not' and we can't even afford it. I think I will say to dp either SIL or bil thanks stacks that's a good idea. He hasn't seen the messages yet to be fair (fb group message which makes it worse). He gets just as annoyed with short notice etc. I can't really have a night out or in as ds feeds two hourly and we have dd too...

Utopian I was pondering your boob issue whilst in the bath. I last fed off my smaller boob so my bigger one is pretty full and the difference right now is ridiculous confused

Ds has been napping in his cot for forty minutes grin

MaMaPo Sat 13-Apr-13 09:20:55

Stacks, I think that's good advice for spotty. I've asked my husband to give lots of time tomorrow as he's away the following weekend. So I'm going to get my hair cut and then go to a local spa for a hammam! Feels well overdue - we were in Istanbul last Easter when I first suspected I might be pg, so I decided not to have a hammam as very hot baths are no go in early pregnancy. I found out I was of about 10 days later so I was glad I hadn't gone.

MaMaPo Sat 13-Apr-13 09:36:52

Bugger! Spa full for tomorrow! sad sad sad

WLmum Sat 13-Apr-13 09:43:26

Ooh spa! When T is old enough to be left for the day I'm going to one by hook or by crook!

Nope Spotty is it the SiL whose birthday you wanted to go on but DP's ended up being the one going. I deck itself think he should have to chose one or the other.

I'm looking for something to do today while its sunny and just me and the monkey. I actually fancy a gym session but my pelvis still feels weak and a bit loose. Anyone else's not quite back to where it was? Long walk with the pram in the sunshine I think.

Barbeasty Sat 13-Apr-13 09:51:42

Oh Spotty, it's hard. I suppose it wouldn't be so bad if they didn't all have birthdays so close together. And if your DH wasn't out doing his own thing so often...

I was woken up this morning with a cup of tea & breakfast in bed, and DD bringing in my birthday presents including a playdough lorry in a matchbox.

Aww lovely Barbeasty smilethanks

WillYou what kind of delivery did you have?

Yeah it's that SIL...

That's lovely Barbeasty, have you expressed much interest in play dough lorries over the last year? grin

Vaginal, flat on my back strapped to a monitor because of the induction/dipping heart rate unfortunately Spotty.

J's done a massive, foul smelling poo and fallen asleep. He'll only have a 40 minute nap so I'm alright leaving him aren't I?

I would leave him WillYou (although he's probably awake by now!). Hmm it's still quite soon after dd my pelvic floor was shot (forceps) but after ds it feels better than before! I think it did take a good six months with dd though.

Dp has taken dd to town with him and I've just made chocolate muffins. Getting more annoyed with SIL (sorry just need to vent) the more I think about it. This meal is a family meal, she's invited all four brothers and their parents yet not our children. I know they just don't think about it because none of them have kids but even single BIL (no2) is having his birthday meal at lunch time so we can all go angry

itsMYNutella Sat 13-Apr-13 10:48:47

Fod glad the injection is helping your thumb/wrist. I have slightly sore wrists but I think it might get better on its own...hmm

Well last night was also very good. He slept 9ish until 3 and then fed and slept till 5:30 and had a mega feed so didn't go back to sleep until almost 6:30. Then when he started squeaking at 7 DP settled him. (Love my DP he is fantastic)

I have a question about pumping: I got an Avent pump and tried it out this morning while DS was feeding and got about 1oz is this an ok amount for a first attempt? And how much approx will DS need for a feed? Thank you!

That's fine nutella. What I usually do is do two feeds from one side in a row then express off of the other side, that's how I get the most. Ds won't drink much from a bottle but if it works I expect your ds would want 4/5oz

MaMaPo Sat 13-Apr-13 10:55:31

How long did 1oz take? It varies a lot between ppl. I usually express 5oz for a decent feed, it takes between 10-30mins. But I think it happens quite easy for me, I know lots of women for whom it's more difficult. I find mornings are best.

I get about 3oz in 10-20 minutes so not great

itsMYNutella Sat 13-Apr-13 11:01:23

Oops should of refreshed first -happy birthday barbeasty a play dough lorry sounds fantastic smile

mama sorry about your spa day- can you book it for another day and give yourself something to look forward to?

Willyou I've almost finished a mummies' back in shape exercise class and the midwife leading it checked our stomach muscles to see if they are back together. A couple of people still have a bit of separation (most of the babies are 3-5 months) so I can believe that other bits aren't healed yet.

itsMYNutella Sat 13-Apr-13 11:06:28

Thanks mama and spotty. It probably took about ten minutes; I didn't want to overdo it and I know I need to work on technique smile

mama DS always drinks both sides I'm sure he'd empty four boobies if I had them he's a greedy bugger.

Nutella I do a lot of compression when expressing to make sure it's empty. I haven't expressed for ages though...

Well dp said 'so do you mind if I go out for a drink on Monday then?' Me: 'er, it's not a drink it's a meal' dp: 'well I'll just go for a drink and give him his present'. I told him how it had really pissed me off and he was already going out and he just got in a strop and said it wasn't his fault and that I know they never think of us blah blah blah. He refused to discuss it and just went 'fine I won't go then' sad

Oh I was wrong it's this Monday! As in two days!!

MaMaPo Sat 13-Apr-13 11:52:37

Happy birthday barbeasty! Sorry I missed that

Manage to book on short version of spa thing - better than nothing. Glad I got it, otherwise it would be 2 weeks till I could go.

Barbeasty Sat 13-Apr-13 11:59:45

It's the fact she keeps trying to get the hard playdough back now. We still need to work on understanding giving presents!

You'd best be right about the avent hand pump. I invested in one yesterday (half price in mothercare if anyone's after one, and discounts on lots of other bottles & pumps etc) and will test it soon.

DH is taking me out for lunch soon, so MIL is having both DC. She will have the pleasure of being the first to try and give A a bottle. We just haven't had time to try before today.

Spotty- it's so difficult when family make things harder. Can you let this go, if DH is feeling pulled both ways, and have a serious discussion afterwards and set some ground rules.

WLmum Sat 13-Apr-13 12:29:48

Happy birthday beasty enjoy a grown up lunch!

nutella I second expressing after morning feed - T always has both boobs so I used to just pump both after she'd finished. I'd also say little and often while you're getting used to it - I found little and often was more effective than a big session.

It wasn't even a poo shock just the worst smelling fart ever! Really looking forward to the poo now confused

halestone Sat 13-Apr-13 13:30:22

Thanks for the new thread Isthat grin

Happy Birthday Beastywinethanks its mine tomorrow but all the best people where born in April wink

Spotty i really don't know what i'd do in your situation. Is this the SiL whose party you wanted to go to? Maybe suggest you go to your SiL's and DP look after DC and he can go to BiL's. If DP says you can't because of BF could you not just say you could express some bottles.

Nutella i only ever get 1oz out of one of my breasts when pumping fortunately the other one is capable of about 4oz.

itsMYNutella Sat 13-Apr-13 13:31:37

Thanks Spotty & Wl. I pumped a bit more after the second feed and am feeling a bit more comfortable using it. It's so easy and light, I'm just hoping I get enough for a bottle grin

itsMYNutella Sat 13-Apr-13 13:33:37

Blimey Hales that's a big difference! I pumped the breast I think has less in it more (to try and encourage it a bit) and felt just like a cow was really amazed when the milk started squirting out grin

halestone Sat 13-Apr-13 13:45:37

Haha i feel like a cow as well its weird watching my nipple bobbing back and forth as well haha confused

I had one that express way less than the other (about 10ml vs 50ml).

Nutella my stomach muscles are still separated I can feel the gap so I presume my pelvis isn't healed yet either.

FriendofDorothy Sat 13-Apr-13 14:44:09

I feel really fed up today.

Husband has a bad cold (he really isn't feeling well) but he is bring fucking useless.

Baby also has a horrid cold s s has spent ages screaming.

Husband went to work leaving me crying on the sofa with a screaming baby.

I am now at my parents' house on the sofa under a blanket whilst my mum it out walking the baby in the rain to make him sleep.

I feel shitty today hmm

FoD sorry you're having a shit day but it's nice your mum is looking after you.

My parents are due any minute but I'm trying not to cry. I just saw on dp's football clubs twitter that the game was called off three hours ago. He still merrily went off though and I know he will have seen it.

Now dd's just bitten ds sad

halestone Sat 13-Apr-13 16:04:26

FoD and spotty sounds like your both having pretty shitty days. I'm thinking we should declare another cake day? (and maybe make this a thing we do when we have a new thread and we're all feeling abit shitty).

I've made chocolate muffins, banana cake and chocolate crispy cakes <sob> I feel like telling dp to not to bother coming home sad

SkiBunnnnny Sat 13-Apr-13 16:34:29

Happy birthday barbeasty!

Sorry you're having a shitty day Spotty and FoD.

Had a pretty crappy night last night. The landlord has switched the heating to the "summer" setting as it is technically summer. However, we had 8 inches of snow yesterday so we were all freezing in our beds. DS kept waking up because he was cold sad so ended up bringing him in with us to keep him cosy but got such a stiff neck and hardly slept.

spotty that's really shitty of him. is change the locks before he comes back can you explain in words of one syllable how unfair he is being at the moment?

FoD sorry you're having a rubbish day too.

I've got a splitting headache and my eyes are hurting I'm so tired. DH won't be home till at least 10 tonight, abd tomorrow it's the local football derby match (Newcastle v Sunderland) at the grounds just round the corner from where he works so he won't be home till really late then either.

Equimum Sat 13-Apr-13 16:57:52

Gosh, I'm not sure how many threads have passed since I last posted, so I hope you lovely ladies won't mind me jumping back in.

Sorry you're having such a rubbish day Spotty and FoD. Things have been a bit fractious with my DH too since he missed tha last train last week! I knew he was doing some work with colleagues in the evening, but he called at 10pm to say he'd drunk more than intended but was just about to head home. An hour later (!), he rang to say he'd just left the pub but realised he'd missed the last train. He ended up on the floor of a female collegue's hotel room. He now can't understand why I'm annoyed with him...apparently anyone can miss the last train and need to sleep on someone's floor. He's a 34 year old father! It's not that I don't trust him, but it was flippin' irresponsible!

mama I hope you enjoy your spa session. I went for a massage today - one DH bought me for Christmas. Was lovely to have some "me time".

DS just managed to do a pooh that virtually missed his nappy but covered his vest!

SkiBunnnnny Sat 13-Apr-13 17:39:21

Hi Equimum! That is awful of you're DH! Of course he is allowed to have an occasional night out. Out of the blue staying out all night is not acceptable. Being a ftm I'm still finding it hard to get my head around how unfair it seems that I have to put my life on hold far more than my DH does. So much for an equal partnership...

IsThatTrue Sat 13-Apr-13 18:06:03

I'm pretty lucky with DH by the sounds of it. He doesn't drink, goes out every couple of weeks with mates (although if its something that will interest me I'm invited), is just starting to play squash once a week after work. But he runs stuff past me, is happy for me to go out even though it leaves him with all 3 dcs (2 of which are his step children). I'm counting my blessings and feeling like I obviously paid my dues with bastard XH

Well our boiler won't light sad and the estate agents is closed, DS is now in a vest, sleep suit, socks, and a fleecy sleep suit over the top. I've dug out extra blankets for tonight and I'm desperately hoping our quilt dries (as DS pooed while I was changing his nappy this morning so I had to wash it) as the spare one is only a 4.5 tog so me and DH may freeze. Bloody house appears to be falling apart!

Oh no IsThat do you know anyone with a spare oil filled heater? Dp is home and acting like nothing's happened. Then said that he only found out it was called off when he got there and then they went training instead 30 minutes in the opposite direction. I don't believe him though as why wouldn't he send a quick text to tell me and the clubs twitter posted it at 12 and he didn't leave until 2...

ISpyPlumPie Sat 13-Apr-13 19:41:58

Many happy returns Barbeasty. Hope you've had a nice time at lunch.

FOD and Spotty - sorry to hear that you're both having crap days. Unmnetty hugs to you.

Fairly shitty over here too. DS1's having an issue with his boy bits which makes it hurt when he wees. He's therefore terrified to go poor thing, and we have upwards of an hour of him running around in an increasingly frantic fashion until he gives in. Last night he ended up having an accident on the floor which didn't hurt (prob because he was in such a state by then) so he seems to have got it into his head that the floor is the place to go. Hoping this will be v short lived and not a regression back to potty training.

To top it off, DH has been in work and is talking about going in again tomorrow. Not much fun for me given we're a bit stuck going out anywhere too far afield until the wee issue is sorted. OTOH, when he is here he's just moping around and going on about work in a continuous loop so I don't know which is worse.

Think there's a few of us who more than deserve a wine tonight!

In better news, N has rolled from back to front fully clothed. Unfortunately I missed the exact moment as I was getting something out of the freezer but he had been lying under his playgym but was then on his front looking at the lights on the mat.

ISpyPlumPie Sat 13-Apr-13 19:44:11

Also hope you get your heating sorted soon IsThat - nothing worse than being cold sad.

Poor ds1 ISpy sad maybe it will take a few accidents for him to realise it doesn't hurt?

Oh I just re read hopefully it won't last long. Clever N for rolling over smile

Ds really wants to sit up he's staring to try to sit up in his bouncer but that's currently how I get him to nap, what am I going to do?!

Justsomehappygirl Sat 13-Apr-13 21:01:08

Hello! New to MN. Baba is 15 weeks- just made it into 2012. Currently he is fast asleep on my chest, don't know how long that'll last. smile

Welcome justsome smile

Better night here so far. Ds went down perfectly at ten to seven and STAYED ASLEEP! He's just stirred now but I've got him back to sleep sucking my finger, my theory being he will be more hungry at next wake up and hopefully sleep a bit longer after a good feed yeah right

WLmum Sat 13-Apr-13 21:17:34

spotty I would be furious! I would also be doing a bit of a tally so when you've stopped feeding you can get some days/nights out and uninterrupted baths. I know money can be an issue so can you ask for vouchers or money towards treat days/nights (for YOU not family) to use when you're ready?

Poor big little ispy

isthat our boiler broke last dec when it was snowing. You'd be surprised how much difference even a small oil filled radiator makes - ours was cheap from tesco - have you got a late opening one dp could pop to?

Welcome just

IsThatTrue Sat 13-Apr-13 21:47:06

Happy birthday barbeasty

Welcome justsome

Our boiler turns off all the time, we're used to it. The landlords use a plumbing company who can't work out what's wrong with it but insist it doesn't need replacing. I'm hoping thesis lords get bored of having to keep paying call out charges and just get a new boiler!

Dais not happy because of this cold!hecantbreathe through his nose poor thing!

WeeJo08 Sat 13-Apr-13 22:27:28

I haven't posted in ages so I feel awful that I am posting now just to be down but having a pretty poor time this weekend! Dad admitted to hospital yesterday, my Grannie is now really ill with a similar thing & think she'll be admitted tonight, my husband is flying back from Chicago tonight and I wish he was just here now and I'm (probably really selfishly) so scared that this terrible gastric flu that my Dad & Grannie have will make DD, DH, my Mum or me really sick too. I'm so sorry to come on & be such a downer - it probably seems very minor stuff to be complaining about! I hope everyone is doing well and babies are thriving xx

ISpyPlumPie Sat 13-Apr-13 22:33:04

Oh Weejo that sounds awful. Hope your Dad and Grannie both make speedy recoveries and that no-one else catches it.

How is your LO doing?

Equimum Sat 13-Apr-13 22:39:08

isthat hope your boiler get fixed soon and that your duvet dried out ok.

Welcome justsome. My little boy is 15 weeks too - well, he will be tomorrow. Scary how quickly the weeks are flying by!

DS is currently gurgling in cot. He doesn't settle in the evenings so usually just comes to bed when we do. Normally he goes down pretty quickly. But he had a long, late nap today, so we'll see!

WeeJo08 Sat 13-Apr-13 22:40:28

She's great, thank you smile Rolled for the first time last week & has started reaching for stuff now (mostly my hair but toys too...sometimes!) Sleeping very well, about 11 hours a night. Don't like to say too much though, in case it changes overnight!

What about your LO?

ISpyPlumPie Sat 13-Apr-13 22:55:40

He's doing really well too - rolling, giggling and getting teeth. Not quite cracked the sleeping yet though!

WeeJo08 Sat 13-Apr-13 23:11:26

The giggling is so much fun, isn't it? grin

IsThatTrue Sat 13-Apr-13 23:24:18

Have just spent 3 hrs, rocking, shushing, feeding, calpoling, teething ringing poor DS who is really not himself at all! He's having a tough time breathing, so his feeding is off I think.

Hate hate hate it when they're ill and you can't fix them!

Welcome back weejo sorry to hear about your family illnesses. I hope everyone gets better soon!

halestone Sat 13-Apr-13 23:26:56

Welcome Just.

Welcome Weejo sorry your having a shitty time. Hope the gastroflu leaves as quickly as its come in.

Ski and isthat hope your ok tonight and its not to cold for you tonight.

ISpy hope your DS feels better soon. It must be horrible for him to be scared of weeing.

And sorry everyone is having such shitty times with DP's. I genuinely don't understand how they think they can still act like they did pre-baby.

I gave H her first taste of baby rice today to see if she was ready. I was too scared to actually put a spoonful in her mouth so sort of coated the spoon instead. She pulled some pretty interesting faces while licking the spoon. She kept grabbing the spoon off me so think she likes it. Also shes started grabbing her bottle and feeding herself the last week or so but tonight DP put her bottle on the couch whilst winding her and she leant forward and put her mouth round the teat and tried to drink it. It was hilarious. I've really noticed huge differences this week in her like she proper giggle for ages when she finds something funny we even managed to get her on video grin

MaMaPo Sat 13-Apr-13 23:32:06

Hello all: welcome to justsome, welcome back weejo and sorry to hear of family illness! I hope your other half gets back soon to look after you and help out.

A successful night here - my husband and I left little C with a babysitter (a friend of ours) and went to the theatre and out for a drink. Out from 7-11pm and she was fine, fast asleep all the way through. Am glad, as she had a tricky bedtime and was awake when we left. But apparently she slept fine, took the bottle fine (while asleep) and is still asleep now. I'm about to join her!

It was great to have a night out - we saw The Book of Mormon (who here has tickets - seconds?) and it was just great. I didn't worry or think about little C, and feel like an adult again. Now that I realise just what you can get done in an evening, I'll go out a lot more and leave the baby with my husband or a babysitter.

But now, I'm tired. Off to bed. Fingers crossed little C decides she doesn't need to feed until 3am.

Night all!

Secondsop Sat 13-Apr-13 23:51:54

Hello, yes it is me mamapo who has Book of Mormon tickets. We'll leave Z with my mum that evening. (Well, leave my mum with Z).

Hello to the new people and the returners (sorry I haven't kept track of names).

I just settled Z in the cot while I went downstairs and did a couple of short errands (a late night snack for me to eat in bed now DH is away smile , putting stuff in the dryer, getting his bottles and cartons together for the night / morning) and he stayed asleep without crying. He wouldn't stay asleep for even a minute on the sofa (left in a safe position) earlier while I went to the loo. Whilst that was annoying, it has made me hopeful that he is now recognising cot time as sleepy quiet time without anybody holding him or being in the same room. Hopefully when my husband is back and we've got a monitor, we'll get a bit of the evening back. it is bittersweet as I do love cuddling Z on the sofa, but I'm conscious that he's clearly not sleeping as deeply there as he wakes as soon as he doesn't feel an arm around him.

Clarella Sun 14-Apr-13 00:24:01

darn caught up a bit on last thread and posted there, and now 4 pages here?!

just quickly - hales hope lo better? if not those can be kidney infection symptoms - might be worth checking out.

2blessed Sun 14-Apr-13 04:14:22

Hope all mum's and lo's are having good sleeps.

I woke up to express a bottle, then ds woke up for a snack-feed so we're both snuggled up in bed with dp snoring next to us.
envy at book of mormon tickets. Declared to dp that I want to go for my birthday and he replies "if you can get a ticket". Yeah, I know thats why I'm saying it now!

Now I know this is nothing new but I am so in love with my ds. Absolutely loving watching him grow and develop - giggles and reaching for toys here too! I know I've got a few months of mat leave left but I don't want to go back to work. Think I need to take playing the lottery more seriously! smile

MaMaPo Sun 14-Apr-13 05:32:03

I hope you do gets tickets 2blessed - it was completely great. won't mention that I got my tickets on preorder back in September

SkiBunnnnny Sun 14-Apr-13 06:17:16

Went to a friends for some food and chat tonight. Left home around 7.30 sure that DS was pretty much ready to go to sleep for the night. Come home at 9.30, still awake. And DH had tried to feed him expressed milk from an unsterilised bottle with the teat not properly in. Both asleep now (10.15pm) thank goodness, maybe this later bedtime will mean longer until first feed...? <hopeful>

At least he tried ski! grin

Sorry you're having a rough time WeeJo hope everyone recovers soon.

Off to peppa pig world today. We're not telling dd can't wait to see her face smile

WeeJo08 Sun 14-Apr-13 07:43:27

Thank you for your messages, ladies. Dad doing much better & Grannie has got a good night's sleep which will hopefully make all the difference. Hubby has landed & should be home within half an hour. DD just awake so lying here listening to her blow bubbles & babble grin

Enjoy Peppa Pig, Spotty! smile

utopian99 Sun 14-Apr-13 09:14:33

Sleep regression well and truly here with us but I think I'm dealing with it better than when he was newborn and it was all a shock (and giggles and smiles help no end). Dh took him for a bounce last night which helped and has him now while I have a shower to feel more human.

On a plus note he rolled on Friday! Front to back (can't remember which is more common first time.) He looked a bit surprised that he'd managed as he's been trying for ages, poor sweet thing.

Equimum Sun 14-Apr-13 10:04:29

Weejo I hopeDH is back with you now and that your dad and Grannie are improving. Fx nobody else gets it - thinking of you.

Mama glad you had a lovely time and that little C was perfectly behaved

Utopian sorry to hear about sleep regression ....hopefully it'll be over soon.

Was planning to have a lie-in this morning while DH got up with DS, but LO had other ideas and screamed until he was brought back upstairs. He's now zonked in bed next to me.

Welcome returning ladies and newbies!

Have a good day Spotty

Let's hope everyone has a super Sunday after what needs to officially dubbed shitty Saturday!

Hope your husband's home now Weejo and that you all avoid the bug.

Bad news on the sleep regression Utopian but well done min Ute on the rolling. I think front to back is most common first. J had given up even trying to roll, preferring to eat the rug instead grin

Glad N's tooth (teeth?) have made it through ISpy, good luck to your nipples!

Hope you've not frozen Isthat and Ski. What temperature is it there now Ski?

Glad you had a good time Mama

Seconds that's exactly why we started putting J down in the cot. He'd only sleep a short time down here but would sleep through upstairs. I still hate not having him here in the evenings and me n DP spend half our time staring at the monitor willing him to wake up so we can bring him down again.

Covers over the head and back to sleep Equimum I've perfected the art of going back to sleep after being woken

IsThatTrue Sun 14-Apr-13 10:18:05

Thankfully it's pretty mild today, didn't freeze in the night. Boiler still won't light though hmm I don't mind the heating atm but it means no hot water, I will have stinky children for going back to school on tues! not to mention how stinky I'll be

Well after the nightmare 3hrs getting DS to sleep last night, I got him into his cot an hour later. Then he slept 12-3 and 3.30-6.30 7-8 so I can't complain too much. He's still really snuffly and having problems breathing while feeding!

utopian front to back is easier for them but they still have to do a lot of work so well done DS!!

MaMaPo Sun 14-Apr-13 11:14:21

Recipe for new mums: lie almost naked in very hot steamy room. Get slathered with something that smells delightful. Do nothing for a while but stare at inside of own eyelids. Have someone come and scrub off all your dead skin. Drink mint tea and water. Lie down some more. Shower, lotion and dress. Walk out into sunshine. Feel brand new. Do not think about baby at all much.

WLmum Sun 14-Apr-13 11:42:18

Oh mama sounds amazing! So glad you had a good night out too.

Hooray for sunshine!

WeeJo08 Sun 14-Apr-13 12:49:52

DD has the bug confused Two projectile vomits this morning plus two bad nappies hmm I've checked her temperature though & seems okay (36.6 and it was under her arm which is apparently 0.5 lower than u set tongue). Have given her a little water which she took. She's exhausted, the poor wee dote so is currently sleeping in my chest. It's been almost 3 hours since she was last sick. When she wakes I'll try her next feed. Hate not being able to help her hmm

Thank you for all the lovely messages, ladies - any advice you have will be very, very gratefully received xx

SkiBunnnnny Sun 14-Apr-13 13:11:14

Oh no, weejo! You're poor wee DD sad. Don't really have any advice, sorry, but you have my sympathies.

Yay for rolling, utopian, boo for sleep regression.

Glad you had a lovely time mama.

Yes, you are right, spotty. I mostly just hate to see my precious milk going to waste! Hope you have a fun day at peppa pig.

Seems to be a bit warmer tonight thankfully, I cranked up the dial we have down here but not sure how much that does when the main controls have been turned down. The outside temp is -3 so we definitely have some heating but its under floor so hard to tell.

SkiBunnnnny Sun 14-Apr-13 13:34:02

Agh, I feel bad for moaning. Poor DH had just come home from 12h at work and I thought they could both just pass out but DS gets excited when his dad is home and just wants to stare at him. Now, at 5am, DH is back up again for work. Hopefully today shouldn't be as long a day for him though.

I think my legs might fall off.... Definitely need a long hot bath tonight.

IsThatTrue Sun 14-Apr-13 17:16:21

Anyone else's little one leaner to screech? Horrible high pitched screech, it started when he was upset by this cold but he is still doing it (although he does still have the cold so I suppose it could still be that). It's really annoying, drills right through your brain!

Lovely weather today. We walked in the woods and went to the park, ds2 had his first go on the swings, it was a little too windy for his liking though.

I've just sent DH to buy chips as I cba to cook proper dinner blush

Fuckity fuck I've got another blocked duct same place as last time. When it's happened before it's been because ds has slept more but he is still only going two hourly ATM sad

MaMaPo Sun 14-Apr-13 18:31:44

Bloody hell spotty - definitely have that bath then. Hope it clears soon.

Had a haircut, first since C was 2 weeks old. God, I look so much better.

Weird non sleeping baby today - 40 mins this morning, 20 mins in pram this pm and I just made her have another 30. Hasn't been too grotty, amazingly, as she's been having lots more sleep than that recently.

WE HAVE GIGGLES!!!

IsThatTrue Sun 14-Apr-13 18:37:32

Yay for giggles spotty not yay for blocked duct!

utopian99 Sun 14-Apr-13 19:25:52

Boo for duct but HURRAH for giggles spotty

Yay for giggles spotty getting a little worried about D though. He makes happy noises but nothing I would call giggles yet confused

SkiBunnnnny Sun 14-Apr-13 19:38:30

Yay for giggles spotty! Hope the duct clears quickly.

Mama, I really need to get my hair cut, haven't had it done since August. Really want it done before mils birthday party on the 23rd but not sure if I'll have time.

PurplePidjin Sun 14-Apr-13 20:02:18

I'll try and catch up properly later, just checkibg in after an awesome day at Santa Pod. Think I've got sun burn shock

Poor DD Weejo hope she's over the worst of it.

Rubbish Spotty massage massage massage again.

I am exhausted today, DS slept for a total of 25 minutes across 3 naptimes, he's just gone to bed at 9:30. I'm doing his bottles and joining him (again). DP is back tomorrow THANK FUCK!

ddas Sun 14-Apr-13 21:34:40

Yah for the giggles, rolls & teeth coming through.
Hope the duct clears quickly spotty and weejo your dd is better & she's managing to keep some fluids down. Little & often is best way with d&v- if you're struggling google oral fluid challenge (using a syringe is the easiest way of doing it when needed but hopefully she's recovered & you won't need to use it smile)
Today has been such a lovely day in the sunshine- amazing the impact good weather has on your mood!

ddas Sun 14-Apr-13 21:39:39

willyou 25 mins!! That's tough doesn't give you a chance to recharge. We've been quite lucky with naps & got a good routine going which keeping me sane with 2 under 2! Although the miday & afternoon naps only work if she's in the pram (even if not moving!!) . Ds was the same & I'll tackle moving the miday nap to the cot when she's older but at this age if it's working I'm not messing around with it!

Indeed ddas, I went to Zumba this morning for an hour and had to sing to him from the shower as he refused to sleep and I stank.

2 under 2? shock hats off to you. I read this thread earlier though and I ached for another one. Must wait until after maternity leave!

WLmum Sun 14-Apr-13 22:07:48

No fair spotty. Long hot showers helped shift mine but sure you know all the tricks as you've been here before :-(. Lovely news in the giggle front though.

honey don't worry at all, giggling is not a developmental milestone like social smiling. Some babies laugh more frequently and easily than others. T does not laugh often, and is not particularly smiley or chatty - she does all 3 when she feels like it. Don't think for a minute she's unhappy just quite a quiet personality and likes observing. I know it's really hard when it seems your baby isn't doing what everyone else's is - had it with dd1+2 who didn't roll, T not looking much like it either. As giggling, it's not a developmental milestone so didn't actually matter at all, and if course they love to roll down hills now!
Dd1 particularly was hard to make smile and laugh but she seems to have found her sense of humour now and currently laughs lots.

The farty noises coming from the cot tonight are amazing grin I'm surprised he hasn't blown his own bottom off!

Secondsop Sun 14-Apr-13 23:40:35

Yay for the giggles!

Very little rolling here; z is getting good at tummy time but he doesn't roll; he pushes on his legs instead and pushes his little bottom into the air.

Z is doing so well with self-settling. Yesterday I put him in the cot awake and went down to do a couple of errands for a few minutes and he didn't cry so I was pleased. Tonight I put him in the cot while I went to the loo and I could hear him making noises but by the time I came back to the room he was sound asleep. His dummy was on the floor; there's no way he did anything apart from throw it, is there? Oh I suppose he could have spat it out and then flailed.

Every 2.5 hours tonight then...

utopian99 Mon 15-Apr-13 04:11:23

Oh spotty we feel your pain at this end. Couldn't get O to sleep till 10.30 despite him being obviously tired, and he's been awake to feed at least 3 times since then.
Even dh was getting a bit despairing earlier and he's normally got the patience of a saint when it comes to ds. Roll on the end of sleep regression.
How's the duct? I remember having the same as you last time - hot breast pads and massage for 36 hours cleared it in the end.

Pidj sounds like a great day! We have both been making the most of the sun today larking about on walks and now a little pink of face would you believe it..

Refused to drink his last bottle last night and has now been chatting away since 3. Sleeeeep!

IsThatTrue Mon 15-Apr-13 04:27:07

Well last night I fed DS in the bedroom at 7 and he was asleep by 7.07, he woke as I was eating at 7.30 so I fed while I ate, then after I came upstairs with him and got him to bed at 8.30 and he stayed shock we came to bed at 10.15 and he didn't stir until 11.15 for a feed, went straight back down at 11.45ish and just woke at 4.15!! Such a good boy tonight.

Sorry DS is not behaving so well spotty i read on kellymom yesterday there is a growth spurt at 4 months, could that explain it? it explains why I'd suddenly started spraying across the room again !

I don't know this has been going on for three weeks now. Fifth night feed now sad

MaMaPo Mon 15-Apr-13 06:05:55

Spotty, it's so weird. You'd been getting such terrible sleep, then it all seemed to come good for you (much better than C's been) and now you've got a proper regression on your hands. I hope it ends soon for you.

Ditto willyou and utopian.

Very decent night here. We have been dream feeding v early (9pm) as C had been waking then. Last night we started trying to move it again. Seemed to work - she had 9.30pm feed then next woke at 3.15am! Hasn't slept that long in a month. Up again now - I think she's brewing a poo.

WeeJo08 Mon 15-Apr-13 07:49:21

Miraculously we had a good night here. She refused to feed last night & was very unsettled, took almost two hours for her to settle into her cot, but somehow SOMEHOW she slept through until 7 as normal. She wasn't very happy when she got up, which is unusual, but think that might be because she had a dirty nappy & she's probably hungry!

Spotty Hope the duct is clearing up?

itsMYNutella Mon 15-Apr-13 08:15:30

Spotty I hope your duct is clearing and that you get the chance for a nap or decent night's sleep soon!

Weejo FX that little one feels much better today.

Well, despite being a rather sleepy baby this weekend T has had some incredibly good nights! Usually sleeping 21:30 ish until about 3 am.

I'd like to start making his bedtime earlier... It did move back to almost 8pm but then when the clock changes it seemed to upset his rhythm and now it is back at 9pm ish... How much and how often can I move his bedtime forward? Ideally I think I would like it to be around 8pm that he is in bed asleep so that DP and I can have some time together. Although on the other hand I don't want to sacrifice too much solid sleep...

itsMYNutella Mon 15-Apr-13 08:17:45

Aaaannnd T seemed really snuffly overnight. Woke himself (and us) up because he was coughing and having trouble breathing through his nose sad what can I do to help him?
He is fine now- fast asleep in bed hmm

FriendofDorothy Mon 15-Apr-13 08:43:56

The Little Mister has had a terrible cold too for the last few days.

We have found raising the end of the cot up a little with a couple of books helps, as does baby Olbas Oil and regular Calpol.

It's frustrating though as really there is not much you can do to help them. It's horrid sad

WLmum Mon 15-Apr-13 08:49:15

I second fods advice, you could try a nasal aspirator but I've never tried one so no feedback.

WeeJo08 Mon 15-Apr-13 09:12:14

Nutella I second the nasal aspirator advice from WLMum - C had a cold a while back & remained a bit snotty so we have one from then. It worked pretty well, a bit hard to get the hang of at first. But (TMI alert) I found that I used it to suck the Big Bad Bogey (or Triple B) to near the front of her nose & then swooped in with a muslin to wipe the Triple B out. It did seem to help. I would also advise raising the end of the cot. I guess that old gravity thingy does have its uses sometimes though it didn't frickin help me during labour grin

MaMaPo Mon 15-Apr-13 09:35:23

Nutella, re moving bedtime, could you post what your bedtime timings and routines are, and what sort of naps T has? C used to be a solid 8.30pm bedtime baby and I accidentally stumbled onto the fact that she's just as able to go to bed at 7pm (and gain an extra 90min sleep per day!).

Stacks Mon 15-Apr-13 09:35:34

Belated happy birthday for barbeasty and hales.

IsThat DS learned to scream a couple of weeks ago. He brings his arms up and bends in the middle to get as much force (and volume) behind his screech. Luckily he's not done it much recently. Hope your LO gets bored of it soon.

Spotty giggle-grats! It's adorable isn't it? T giggles at times, but it seems random as to what will make him laugh. He seems sort of ticklish though, and likes the "round and round the garden, like a teddy bear" rhyme/tickle. He anticipates the tickle too which is funny.
Hope your blocked duct clears soon, has LO started doing a lazy latch or something which might be causing it?
We've had weeks of awful sleep here too, he's been improving every night for the last 3, so I'm hoping this is the end of it. He's got his jabs tomorrow though, and this started just after his last jabs sad

Honey I'm sure there's nothing wrong with D. My nephew was 'late' to laugh, and when he did start he used to jam his fist as far into his mouth as he could to try not to laugh!

Weejo I hope LO is feeling better, and your Dad and Grannie.

Nutella I hope LO feels better soon. T has had a sniffly nose for maybe 6 weeks sad Luckily it doesn't seem to bother him too much. I hope it's not an allergy to our cats like me.

Stacks Mon 15-Apr-13 10:17:26

Just got around to trying out the MAM breast pump and I really like it. Comparing to a Tommee Tipiee one my sister gave me. On a practical front it's nice and easy to take apart, and the handle section is completely separate from the milk area, so doesn't need sterilising. The bottle it comes with is 'self sterilising' which is cool - it all folds up into itself, then you pop it in the microwave. It's also anti colic.

The pump has a nice small cup (I'm now apparently a FF cup size, but found the larger cup on the TT too big for me) and is comfortable to use. There's a valve on the pump too, so you can have a softer suction action which I found made expressing much more comfortable. You can see the milk leaving the nipple, so I could see when the flow was reducing and tried changing the suction level/massaging breast to get a little more out.

I got about 2oz in 10 minutes. For a first time expressing I think that's not too bad. I used the breast DS hasn't fed from this morning. I hope that'll be ok and I won't starve him, I fed him before he slept at about 9 so he shouldn't be hungry for a little while. I'm trying not to worry too much about it though. How long does it take to make more milk? Fingers crossed I've not broken things!

MaMaPo Mon 15-Apr-13 10:25:15

Stacks, that seems like a good start in terms of volume of milk expressed. I rarely worry about C going hungry when I'm expressing - I tend to try to express after she's fed, or on the breast she hasn't had, but when I've expressed first and then she's fed I don't think she's ever gone hungry. I figure all the compressions I do are pretty inefficient, but she's very good at getting all the milk she needs! Speaking of which, 2h40 since her last feed, her grizzling is now telling me something!

Nutella I think they say 10 mins a day.

After a chat at 3, a bottle at 4 and playtime til 5:30 I was exhausted when J woke at 7, so I popped him in next to me and we slept til 9:15 shock. Today I will be ensuring he naps to prevent him crashing out early and being awake all night. I don't care if I have to walk a marathon with the pram!

He won't stop bloody crying and I'm so tired I actually want to throw him across the room right now

Cake, tea and hugs spotty it's so hard when they're like that. If he's screaming anyway can you pop him down on his mat for a minute while you take a few deep breaths?

It's ok I'm calm now blush I'm just feeding him again as I know it will keep him quiet blush

Dd was such a breeze in comparison to ds four hourly feeds scheduled naps and happy to be left on her own.

I've already had a mealtesers bar, two chocolate croissants and a slice of banana cake this morning is it ok to have a chocolate muffin too?!

(Sorry for mememe blush)

Stacks Mon 15-Apr-13 11:35:08

Spotty. You should definitely have a muffin!

After 10 weeks of trying unsuccessfully to get DS take a dummy, he took a MAM 0-2m 'extra small' dummy straight away just now! And he's keeping it in himself. I always wondered if the other dummies were too big as they made him gag - even though they were 0-3m size. Ofc he could just be enjoying chewing it because of his teeth.

MaMaPo Mon 15-Apr-13 11:40:48

I now need to leave the house to buy cake. Spotty, you've inspired me! It must be doubly tricky with a difficult/challenging second child after an easy one. But then again, at least you know it isn't anything you've done or not done, it's just temperament. Hang in there. And do put him down and go for a hot shower next time it gets too much - 5 minutes of screaming won't do him any harm, and it might do you some good.

Little C nicely gave me a sleep in this morning - after waking at 5 for a feed and not going back to sleep because of oncoming poo, I put her down for a nap at 8am and fell asleep myself. Lovely husband snuck out of the house to work and she didn't wake until 9.30am! Best sleep-in I've had for ages. She's asleep again now and I am resolutely not doing housework, though I have resolved to do some spring cleaning. There is loads of crap in this house that we won't want in Australia, so I might as well clear it out now and live in a tidy house for once!

WLmum Mon 15-Apr-13 12:09:27

spotty I've had 2 maltesers bars this morning just because I'm a pig! Each chunk looks like a cherubs bottom which makes them even yummier!

WE HAVE HAD A GIGGLE and the thing that made it happen... Me calling him 'chunk'

MaMaPo Mon 15-Apr-13 12:30:12

grin Great news Honey.

Things that make C giggle include the word 'zip', tickling her shoulders and biting her chin. She's a weird kid.

halestone Mon 15-Apr-13 13:36:01

Yay for giggles Honey and Spotty.

Hope your blocked duct has gone Spotty.

Hope your LO is better today Weejo.

I am so hungover its not funny. No drinking since last February and yesterday went out and was rotten confused DP was a star though he looked after H while i was out did all the night feed and took her downstairs so i could sleep grin but i havn't leaked at all my breasts don't even feel full. So i'm guessing i've lost my supply and H is now a FF baby. So stupid question alert how do i feed her during the night? Do i get her out the cot and do it or leave her in it?

Get her out hales. Feeding is still a nice snuggly bonding time when using a bottle smile

Ds and I have just had a nice nap so that's good. Will have to go and get dd in a bit.

Yay for giggles honey grin

Actually ds is still asleep! Two hours!

Also Hales I meant to say on the rare occasion dp has given ds a bottle he's a right pain to get back to sleep because dp just dumps him back into his cot wide awake whereas with me he's usually fed to sleep or at least very sleepy.... Well done for keeping going so long I know you had a tough time b

Random 'b' at the end there confused

IsThatTrue Mon 15-Apr-13 14:10:11

My kids went back to school today, not tomorrow as I thought blush I got the 'your children are absent' text at 12. They were at school by 12.30! I can't believe I got the date wrong! It's on my calendar and in my phone as tomorrow!

We have had less screeching today, still more than I'd like but not as much as yest! He's still got this cold though end still refusing the dummy, I think it's because he's finding it hard to breathe through his nose. Really annoying when trying to settle him though!

grin IsThat. My friend too her dd to nursery when it was closed. I think it's a common mistake! Did they mind?

Oh also does your ds have a cup did you say? Which one is it? I'm thinking of giving ds one to play with smile

SkiBunnnnny Mon 15-Apr-13 14:23:10

Yay for giggles honey! LO thinks its hilarious when I try to eat his fingers...!

Good for you for getting a night out hales, hope you had fun.

We are going for a photoshoot today! A friend has a photography business and offered to do some family photos today and I wanted to get some pretty ones in the snow before it all melts.

ISpyPlumPie Mon 15-Apr-13 14:25:12

Yay for giggles, self-settling and lie ins. Boo to block ducts, colds and sleep regression.

Belated birthday wishes Hales. Sounds like you had a good night!

I have a rather angry young man today. He was really upset this morning and also had a slight temp so gave him calpol -it's the first time he's needed it. I think it's his teeth due to the way he's biting everything in his path (luckily not nipples yet, but my fingers have some disturbing teeth marks on them!)

At least DS1's little problem is sorted and he's using the toilet normally again. Really releaved as it was horrible for him, but also on a totally selfish note think it would have pushed me to the limits of my capacity to cope today given the lack of sleep last night and the dim prospects of DH being home before the boys' bedtime.

IsThatTrue Mon 15-Apr-13 14:25:36

They didn't seem too bothered, obviously they realised it was a genuine mistake what with me offloading them as soon as humanly possible when I found out grin

I can't remember who it was who had a cup, it wasn't DS, I'm not that organised.

SkiBunnnnny Mon 15-Apr-13 14:26:30

Haha, oh dear isthat! Did your kids know they were supposed to be back and giggling to themselves that you hadn't realised?

ISpyPlumPie Mon 15-Apr-13 14:27:49

Sorry for all the typos. Sleep deprivation still making itself known in the afternoon - not great!

Secondsop Mon 15-Apr-13 14:56:01

Oh dear isthat! Good effort getting them there in half a hour though.

Gave Z some calpol as he's had a cough and sniffle plus his gums are clearly bothering him. He's had it before and not been keen but today when i gave it to him his face opened up and he smiled and then laughed! I think he is properly tasting it for the first time and likes it.

IsThatTrue Mon 15-Apr-13 15:43:14

ski nope they had no idea, I'm still very blush about it tbh!

Does anyone else's Babies poo vary in consistency throughout the day? We seem to have 3/4 different varieties of poo hmm

Some twat just smashed my fucking wing mirror off and drove off I'm so angry. What a fucking wanker. It's a narrow road with a lay by on his side but he just kept on coming he saw I was trying to turn around and just drove off. Ffs every single car I have had now (4) has been driven into by some wanker who has driven off what the hell is wrong with some people

WeeJo08 Mon 15-Apr-13 15:44:17

ISpy & seconds and everyone else - do you have a technique for getting DC to take Calpol? I gave it to C successfully once when her gums were bothering her about a month ago but then 2nd time (also sore gums & temp) on holiday resulted in such a scary coughing fit & then last night I tried it to lower her temp & ease sore tummy but she just wouldn't swallow it (God, please don't think I try to drug her all the time!) hmm

As I said earlier, she seems much much better today so I don't need it but was wondering if there is a way to give the Calpol without distressing her too much. I used the syringe you get with it.

My What to Expect book suggested lightly blowing on their face as this triggers a swallow reflex?? Has anyone done this? Sorry for epistle!!

WeeJo08 Mon 15-Apr-13 15:44:58

Oh no Spotty! That's so rotten for you hmm

I'm so so angry I just say their with my horn on and they kept driving. I had both children in the car too, who does that??!

ISpyPlumPie Mon 15-Apr-13 15:58:52

Spotty - that's awful. There really are some selfish nobs around aren't there? Hope you and the DC aren't too shaken.

Weejo - I gave N the calpol off a medicine spoon. I sat him in his bouncer and just went slowly. He was fine with it. I've used a syringe when he's had antibiotics before without much success (kept dribbling back out) so thought a spoon was worth a try.

IsThatTrue Mon 15-Apr-13 15:59:35

spotty angry for you!

ispy I use a syringe and put about 0.2 ml into the back/aide of his mouth at a time, anymore than that and he slits it straight out!

Secondsop Mon 15-Apr-13 15:59:54

Oh spotty . What a bastard. There seem to have been so many car-related incidents for this group!

weejo I lie Z down, administer the calpol with its syringe and then immediately insert a dummy.

IsThatTrue Mon 15-Apr-13 16:00:09

Sorry weejo not isly blush

WeeJo08 Mon 15-Apr-13 16:21:20

Seconds I absolutely LOVE your technique! It is so Grey's Anatomy. I have visions of you & DH in full scrubs, and you giving orders "Calpol", "Syringe", "Dummy", "Teddy".

SkiBunnnnny Mon 15-Apr-13 16:24:36

Sorry isthat. Really don't worry about it it could happen o anyone.

What a wanker spotty!shock

Weejo, have never given calpol but DS gets vitamin D drops everyday. I just drop it in his mouth with a dropper v slowly and wait until he swallows each bit until I give more. although now he laps it up because its really sweet

FriendofDorothy Mon 15-Apr-13 17:00:53

We give Calpol slowly but using a syringe and aiming to the side of his mouth IYSWIM.

I took Edward for his jabs but they wouldn't do them because of his cold.

Well that's shit Spotty did you get a licence plate or anything?

DP is back smile! But has food poisoning sad so has gone straight to bed and is throwing up in a Tupperware box. So looks like I'm on duty again! One day I shall get a wee in peace!

Nope no number plate. Dd learnt a few new words though blush

We've only given calpol once but slowly in a syringe works for us.

I'm so stressed I actually feel like going out and not coming back for a while....

Secondsop Mon 15-Apr-13 18:33:05

weejo we developed our medicine blitzkrieg attack after we had to give him some drops for oral thrush and he simply wouldn't stop spitting it out. The introduction of the dummy changed all that.

WeeJo08 Mon 15-Apr-13 18:39:55

Seconds The problem is C won't take a dummy sad We tried on the flight over to Chicago last month as we thought it might help if her ears got sore & she just spat it out, or rather just couldn't (or wouldn't) keep it in her mouth & suck it.

halestone Mon 15-Apr-13 19:06:36

Weejo we give from the syringe in tiny amounts and i say yum yum yum till she swallows, it takes ages but she doesn't spit it out anymore grin

Spotty what a wanker, hope you and DC's are ok

IsThatTrue Mon 15-Apr-13 19:44:42

I got DS to take a dummy today for the first time in a week, it's not one of the ones he refused point blank to have in his mouth before hmm and he's still refusing the ones which were the only ones he would take hmm he didn't want it to go to sleep but it Kept him quiet during story time. He went to bed suspiciously easily today. Although I'm in the bedroom with him watching tv and eating biscuits as DH has gone to play squash.

grin Sounds good to me IsThat!

I'm having feeding issues, any advice welcome... Ds keeps hitting me in the face when feeding hmm he's generally fussy at the moment anyway but it's really annoying me. He also keeps pushing against the sofa/bed/chair (wherever we're sat) with his feet whilst feeding. I'm getting frustrated...

Helsbelscm Mon 15-Apr-13 20:13:11

Good evening all. I am new to mums net & only just discovered the postnatal bit, can I join? Have a lovely December born DD who does not sleep! Sympathising with the 4 month sleep regression sufferers as we have now had 4 weeks of waking 1-2 hourly every night yuk!

Welcome hels smile lots of sympathy on the lack of sleep zzzzzz

IsThatTrue Mon 15-Apr-13 20:21:21

helsbels welcome, fx we've just got over the sleep regression in our house, but there are many others still going through it.

DS wakes 45 minutes after he goes down for the night (between 7 and 7.30 depending on when I get the others to bed), feeds and then goes back to sleep. Not the worst thing in the world but its when I'm normally trying to make our dinner! Lol

SkiBunnnnny Mon 15-Apr-13 20:25:23

Welcome hels.

At what point should I become concerned about spitting up? Is the quantity brought up? Or the frequency?

MaMaPo Mon 15-Apr-13 20:43:55

Welcome hels - when was your daughter born? Sympathies for the crappy sleep - you have plenty of company around here.

Spotty, I have a similarly fidgety feeder. She's not hitting too often, and will mostly tolerate me holding her free hand while she feeds. (She also tends to rub her eye really forcefully, so I try to stop that too). She is a bugger for kicking though - I now can't sit with a pillow or the edge of the chair near her feet, as she will dislodge herself constantly. I guess I don't have any advice, except for trying not to have anything in contact with the feet.

Bit of both ski I suppose?

Thanks mama nice to know I'm not the only one!

Secondsop Mon 15-Apr-13 20:55:32

Welcome helsbels.

spotty I don't know about the feeding but Z is a real kicker especially recently. I wonder if its just a phase? What I have found today, though, is that he was wearing a pair of trousers and no socks and was fascinated with looking at his feet, and he didn't kick while he looked at his feet.

skibunny Z is a spitter-up. I don't know at what point it might become an issue but I just wanted to let you know you're not alone. I think sometimes for him he is taking in a bit too much food, but sometimes I think he's just a bit more delicate, eg today he's spat up loads but then he's also had a sniffle too so might have a bit of a bug. Are you using infacol, because if so, you may find there's less spitting up without it. I was recommended infacol by my doctor but found that it made things worse.

Hmm he's not much of a kicker otherwise.... He doesn't do it an night either?

Argh up for first feed already!

Dp has gone to his brothers birthday meal but he only left here half an hour ago and is only going for a drink and he said he will drive to and from sil's birthday evening (ha! (To SIL not dp)).

ISpyPlumPie Mon 15-Apr-13 21:28:55

Welcome Hels.

FOD - N couldn't have his jabs last time either as he was still on antibiotics for his dodgy belly button. He's due to have them on Thursday now, and I'm really hoping that the fact he's had a bit of a temp today doesn't scupper it as they only have the clinic once a fortnight - a month late seems quite bad.

SkiBunnnnny Mon 15-Apr-13 21:47:54

No, no infacol seconds. He's not normally a very sicky baby, occasionally just a bit of undigested milk if he over eats, like you said. Today he has thrown up quite a few times and it is curdled. It's not a huge amount each time. I think he's teething, could it be related? His wee cheeks are rosy and he's even more chompy than usual.

Helsbelscm Mon 15-Apr-13 21:48:08

DD born on December 14th. Thanks for sympathy.
We also have some fussy feeding much worse when things to distract her. I find if I feed her lying down on the bed it helps- but no good if you are out doing baby stuff/drinking cappuccinos!

Barbeasty Mon 15-Apr-13 21:48:40

Weejo until you said that a dummy was no good I was going to suggest trying the dummy I saw in mothercare the other day, which you just fill with medicine.

A seems to take his medicine really well so far. I just put a little at a time in from a syringe. I've also used a tiny (1.25ml, looks like a toy) spoon which worked. DD decided she was feeling ill this evening and "wanted to take medicine nicely like Anthony".

MaMaPo Mon 15-Apr-13 21:51:07

Ski, I think teething makes them drool loads, and I think someone on here said that when they swallow lots of saliva it can lead to more curdled sicks. No idea if this is true or not. Then again, C was sick/possetted on me constantly today, so I should know what it's about. She's not usually sicky either, but man - my tshirt was wet in places, and there's a nice stain on the leather sofa.

FriendofDorothy Mon 15-Apr-13 21:57:49

I have been out to choir tonight smile

I have left The Little Mister with my DH and my Mum in the day but going out in the evening seemed different.

Apparently The Little Mister screamed for 20 minutes and got all hot and bothered and finally gave in and took a bottle. Logically I knew he would be fine but I was worried about leaving him when he has a nasty cold.

IsThatTrue Mon 15-Apr-13 22:09:38

ski has you LO had a cold too or am I remembering wrong? ds's cold has made him pukey. But I think teething can too.

DS loves his feet, he is highly unimpressed that he's not quite flexible enough to get his toes in his mouth. He's also learnt to take his socks off. He's usually kicky but only does it while feeding if I'm working, where he kicks the arm I use to move the mouse! hmm

IsThatTrue Mon 15-Apr-13 22:11:14

barbeasty you can also just put calpol into a bottle teat (obviously you have to be careful they don't take too much air at the end of the medicine.

SkiBunnnnny Mon 15-Apr-13 22:27:47

Nope, no cold isthat, thankfully. Although DH hasn't been feeling well for a few days so I hope he's not getting sick!

Yeah, that makes sense mama, thanks.

Second wake up....

Clarella Tue 16-Apr-13 00:38:08

welcome helsbels!

yup to the several weeks of 1-2 hour wake ups and yup to feeding in dark room lying down! though due to tongue tie we've been lying down ti feed for some time. It was snipped a few weeks ago but we're back to lying down due yo distractibility!

Clarella Tue 16-Apr-13 00:41:12

spotty, mama - kicky here too! have to hold hand and clamp leg with my leg as we lie in dark room..... never thought bf would be like this!! long gone are the days of sitting with the tv......

Quiet here last night, lots of sleeping babies?. I managed about five hours sleep all in I think. I get a bit confused trying to remember what times we were up!

I've tried putting a muslin over ds's head when feeding but it doesn't make a difference wink

IsThatTrue Tue 16-Apr-13 07:00:16

Ha sleep?! Not on your nelly! God only knows when we were up last night but DS ended up in with us until 4 as I couldn't cope sitting up to feed after midnight. Maybe I spoke too soon about being past the sleep regression hmm

I tend to spend the beginning of each night ranting to dp 'I don't know why I even bother coming to bed' grin

Barbeasty Tue 16-Apr-13 07:48:15

Yes, Spotty. DH gave me a new clock radio for my birthday, so I can see the time when I am woken up (very short sighted). Which is great, but I can't remember them in the morning! When DH asks how the night was, I can't really answer except by how tired I am and maybe 1 or 2 wakings which I remember.

Isthat yes, but they have to take a bottle for that to work. I gave my 8 weeks notice to go back yesterday sad and A still hasn't taken a bottle. Could be interesting at nursery....

IsThatTrue Tue 16-Apr-13 07:53:18

Oh no barbeasty which bottles do you have? DS hates Avent ones but is fine with tommie tippee ones.

Helsbelscm Tue 16-Apr-13 07:54:48

Possibly record breaking bad night for us. i saw every hour on the clock & she wouldn't really settle from 2 but was awake & cheerful at 6:30. I look like the living dead she is in a fab mood!

MaMaPo Tue 16-Apr-13 07:56:21

Sorry for not being around - I was mostly asleep. My husband was due to give her dream feed at 9.45pm (we have to be sure she's asleep as otherwise she's liable to refuse the bottle) but it was closer to 10, she woke, didn't finish her bottle but did have a massive feed from me and needed cuddling to sleep - didn't get her down again until 11pm. But then she slept until 4.30am, and with lots of snuffling, until 7.30am. She had a couple of dummy insertions in that last phase as I didn't want to et up at 6am! A good night, except it took me an age to get to sleep after the feed, with both baby and husband snoring next to me!

sad for bad nights, spotty Isthat and barbeasty.

Helsbelscm Tue 16-Apr-13 07:57:32

We also have bottle issues. Have ordered a posh new breastflow one meant to be the most like breastfeeding. Will update if any better.

I usually read this thread back to see which posts I remember but no one posted last night! Think our night went like this....

7pm down
9pm-9:20pm feed
10:40 feed
00:00 down
1:50 feed
3:05 down
6:10 wake

Somewhen between 3 and 6 dd came in saying she needed a wee hmm

How are your rats IsThat? I dreamt we had rats the other night must have been on my mind!

Is it ridiculous that ds's already having his morning nap? confused

MaMaPo Tue 16-Apr-13 08:51:11

Spotty, C is usually down for her nap by now - she's being a dodger this morning and won't quite get sleepy enough for me to put her in her crib. But I will prevail!

I think if you miss their sleep window, mama, it can be a nightmare to get them down sad

MaMaPo Tue 16-Apr-13 09:07:46

Oh, don't I know it spotty! She doesn't have consistent nap time as she doesn't have a consistent wake time. I look for tired cues and jump on them. She's still awake now so it's time to abandon and wait for the cues to come Round again. Frustrating - yesterday you couldnt stop her napping!

ISpyPlumPie Tue 16-Apr-13 09:17:34

N is not a happy camper. Had a terrible evening of him constantly crying then screaming every time he was offered boob. He got some respite with calpol and nurofen, but in between times he was inconsolable. Thankfully his temp seems normal this morning, but he's still really upset. Am taking him to the docs as it is so out of character - it might just be teeth, but I want to check it's nothing more. Between N and DS1 I don't think I've ever been to the doctors as much as I have in the last few weeks - I'll get a reserved seat in the waiting room at this rate!

IsThatTrue Tue 16-Apr-13 09:45:57

spotty I haven't heard anything but I'm not looking, the rat man can do it! Lol [scaredy cat emoticon]

In others news ds just self settled!!!!!!!!!! first time ever!

MaMaPo Tue 16-Apr-13 09:55:25

ISpy, I hope everything is ok.

Isthat smile smile smile

Bloody frustrating babies. Has taken me 90mins to get c to sleep and I can't put her in crib as she wakes straight up again. Stick to the bed with sleeping baby - I thought these days were behind me! Yesterday she was a napping champion, that must be why I'm so bloody frustrated today.

Barbeasty Tue 16-Apr-13 09:59:40

We have tomie tipee ones. In fairness we only tried him on a bottle for the first time on Saturday

Barbeasty Tue 16-Apr-13 10:04:16

Sorry, yes A wriggles when feeding too...

A's not been left for more than 2hrs so I'm not surprised he hasn't taken a bottle.

SeymoreButts Tue 16-Apr-13 10:21:02

Hi all, my first post on this thread. Can't believe how much I've missed!

barbeasty DD never took bottles and I went back to work when she was 4 months old. She would drink from a tommee tippee free flow cup though (I think they're called explorer now).

I decided at the end of last week to really persist with the dummy. DS was becoming a nightmare to settle for naps and was getting really frustrated sucking his fingers. He finally took to it over the weekend and it's been a revelation! No more pram screaming and no more over-tired grumpiness! And now he's got the hang of sucking a dummy he has stopped refusing (chewing) the bottle. Last night he had 150mls of ebm!! still woke up 2 hours later though

MaMaPo Tue 16-Apr-13 10:30:44

Seymore, that must make your life feel a bit different. Do you feel more confident getting out of the house now?

WeeJo08 Tue 16-Apr-13 10:54:59

Morning all!

Hope N is okay, ISpy - it's so awful when they're not well/unsettled, you feel so helpless hmm

Seymore That's great about the bottle grin Gives a bit more freedom, I think. C took a bottle very easily as she had one a few days after she was born and we then continued with a combination of BF, EBF and some formula. Although the Hooter Hider is really great for feeding in public if you're self-conscious (like me!) And I also love the name grin

I'm sure you have all talked about this before, but I'm only just catching up after my hiatus! Are any of you considering weaning or waiting until the 6 months? Our HV has given very conflicting advice! And that's not counting all the "helpful" comments from people..."My DS was on solids before he was out of the hospital..." I don't think DD is ready yet, so I'm going to wait a bit...it's only 6 weeks until she's 6 months, but I can't imagine her wanting them soon! Also...what weight/centiles are your LOs in? DD was 13lbs on her last weigh-in and in the 25th for weight and height.

MaMaPo Tue 16-Apr-13 11:19:09

weejo there's lots of conflicting advice from the research too - in Aus they recommend starting 'between 4-6 months' and not to delay beyond 6. I think I will start in about 2 weeks' time just to see how she goes with sitting, taking the spoon etc, and if the time's not right I'll leave it. C is a big girl, 91st percentile for both length and weight. Only in the last few weeks with growth spurt have I started to feel the effect of that (she's ebf).

I'm waiting until six months at least grin go with what you feel is right WeeJo. The nhs banana test is a good one: peel a banana and hold it out infront of them if they can grab it, bring it to their mouth and take a bite whilst sitting then they're ready.

Oh ds is on the small side smile

SeymoreButts Tue 16-Apr-13 11:54:24

yes mama I feel a lot more relaxed and have been out quite a bit! I went to a mother's group yesterday. We even took DS out to lunch on Saturday and he just slept peacefully with the dummy in. grin

WeeJo I'll have a look for the hooter hider! I am quite self conscious feeding out and recently DS has become a wriggly nightmare. I end up having to clamp his body between my legs and he pulls off every few seconds. hmm
He's 19 weeks and on the large side, I haven't had him weighed for a while but he was about 9kg last time and way over the 100th centile. Because of that both the GP and HV said I should introduce solids around 16 weeks. I tried baby rice once and he wasn't keen at all so I left it. But last week I started him on probiotics and had to spoon feed it to him so I mixed it with baby rice and he was very receptive - opening his mouth wide and swallowing rather than spitting it out. I think I'll start him off on pureed veg and fruit for now and wait until 26 weeks before offering anything more fun!

Equimum Tue 16-Apr-13 11:56:33

Thinking of those of you with poorly/ non-napping babies.

I'm currently pinned to sofa by a napping baby, who I just know will wake up if I even think of moving him. He seems to have developed a skill for waking repeatedly in the early hours, tanking up, then sleeping from 6.30-9.30, having a play, then having a morning nap!

We're on the 91st for length and 75th for weight...he has to wear dungarees or all-in-ones as trousers that are long enough are HUGE round the waist (oh to have that problem!)

ISpyPlumPie Tue 16-Apr-13 12:40:48

The doctor said N's ear looks a bit inflamed so she's given him more ABs 'just in case' it's an infection, but the pain could just as likely be due to teething. Bit worried about the fact it's his third lot since birth - think DS1 had turned one before he had any, but maybe we were just lucky with him. I know it's far better than him suffering or risking an infection taking hold, but just a bit anxious the effects on good bacteria etc and also knock-on effect of jabs being delayed yet again.

Main concern atm is that he just doesn't want to feed so not like him. I'm engorged and leaking everywhere. Going to express in a bit now he's finally settled to stop it going to waste. Really hoping that now his calpol's kicked in again he'll have a bit though as whatever the underlying cause without fluids he's going to get v ill.

Sorry for the me-me-me rambling.

ISpyPlumPie Tue 16-Apr-13 13:16:26

Ok - just expressed 5oz in about 2 mins so was engorged! Only stopped because I'd used a small bottle and it was full. Now to hopefully get some milk into the baby.....

Great news about self-settling Isthat and dummy Seymore.

Helsbelscm Tue 16-Apr-13 14:55:32

We have a 25th centile for weight & 91st for length this child is a proper strong bean! Am hoping weaning might fatten her up but see no signs of her being ready as yet. Am aiming to wean her a few weeks before she turns 6 months & I go back to work (yuk!). Agree advice is very confusing & apparently different in other countries.

halestone Tue 16-Apr-13 15:10:51

Ispy sorry your LO is ill, could you try offering your breast every half hour to try and stop dehydration? Or expressing regularly and offering 5mls from the calpol syringe regularly? Sorry if you've already thought of those ideas.

Spotty could you try loosely swaddling your LO whilst feeding to stop being hit? We had to do that with H for abit.

Weejo, i started weaning this weekend only a few spoons of baby rice at tea time after a week i'll start the rice at breakfast and 1/4 of a rusk at teatime i'm stop giving her it when shes not interested though. H is 18 weeks old though and i last got her weighed at 16 weeks and she was 18.2lb. She was definitely ready for food and probably has been for 2 weeks but i've been trying to delay it.

Welcome Hels. I feel your pain about lack of sleep H has never been a good sleeper. She has recently started doing 1 4 hour stint a night though grin and a little nap afterwards. I'm wondering if this will change now shes started being fully FF.

I'm finding it hugely weird that my Breast milk just seemed to dry up. I expressed before i went to bed (whilst drunk oops) when i woke up i hadn't leaked and didn't feel even slightly engorged. They feel like theres nothing in them. I am slightly disappointed because although i was planning in quitting i didn't get to have my one last feed IYSWIM. If i'd of realised on sunday morning that was going to be her last BF i would of cherished it so much more confused

ISpyPlumPie Tue 16-Apr-13 15:36:41

Well, in a bit of a turn up for the books N decided he'd prefer to drink ebm than directly from source! I put the spout from a tommee tippee tip it up cup on a bottle so I could see how much he was having, and he took about 3oz. He did spit quite a lot out, but I'm sure some went down. He then decided he would have boob after all, which sent him to sleep. He'll only feed off one side though (must be something to do with how it affects his poorly ear or where the teething pain is) so think I'll have to keep expressing to avoid uneveness.

Hales - have you decided you definitely want to stop bf but wish last feed had been more special or were you still hoping to feed occassionally? If the former, I can see why you're a bit sad but every single feed will have been special to H. If the latter, then it might not be too late to re-establish supply - someone on the breast/bottle topic might be able to help. Hope you're ok anyway.

ISpy that definitely makes it sound like it could be ear pain?

Went to dd's songtime class earlier and ds actually enjoyed it and was smiling watching everyone smile

halestone Tue 16-Apr-13 16:50:52

Ispy i had decided to definitely stop and just wish i'd of known that was going to be the last feed but i think like you said it will always be special grin i'm glad your DS is eating now though grin

PurplePidjin Tue 16-Apr-13 17:34:57

Somebody stole my velcro baby and left me a chilled out little dude in his place hmm

I've been away suffering with sleep regression ! I didn't even know it was a 'thing' until yesterday. Grizzly, irritable, refuses to sleep, off her milk. And DD1s behaviour is on another level to match this. Sorry me me me but I try every time to catch up on a thread and fail! >this time I WILL< have missed my mumsnet a LOT!! confused Going crazy here!!

Hope all mummy's and babies are well grin

MaMaPo Tue 16-Apr-13 18:16:14

Welcome back cookies! And yay Pidj - yesterday's chilled little napper replaced today by whingy little girl. Crazy babies.

IsThatTrue Tue 16-Apr-13 18:22:13

Yay for chilled out dude pidj

DS gets more screechy the more tired he gets, just brought him upstairs because he was manic screeching whoever taught him there were notes that high pitched I want to kill them and he's fallen asleep feeding hmm bedtimes going to go well isn't it?!

I'm going to leave weaning until at least 6 mo. DS isn't interested in our food yet (has only just seemed to notice food is a 'thing' iykwim) and I cba. So lazy!

itsMYNutella Tue 16-Apr-13 18:47:04

Hello, sorry I asked about bed times yesterday morning and have only just managed to get back on here. I was out most of the day yesterday, it was brilliant and sunny and I went for a really long walk. Sadly in the wrong shoes! Wish I'd worn my trainers! And I got a bit sunburnt sad I should be old enough by now to know better...

Anyway...

hales sorry about your milk but it helped me appreciate and think about feeding DS and that one day it will end. I try to think of it as something special, but now I will really try harder!

pidj glad your baby is a bit more chilled!

Ispy sorry your LO is in pain... You'll never know if it is ear pain or tooth pain or even neck pain. But I hope he perks up soon!

Yesterday DS had some fantastic naps while we were out, today he didn't nap nearly so much... But we went out for dinner and sat outside and DS slept the whole time! shock. Now he is very hungry so we are going to try putting him to bed earlier... An hour earlier than yesterday... Lets see what happens!

I'm feeding ds ready for bed but he's just grinning at me hmm

Helsbelscm Tue 16-Apr-13 19:18:37

Hale stone - yay for a stint i am hoping to return to those days!

Argh my hair is coming out in clumps! Hate this part!

IsThatTrue Tue 16-Apr-13 20:09:22

DS stayed asleep for 10 mins earlier. Took him upstairs again at 7.30 and he was down by 8. Lets see if he stays put so I can eat! Lol

itsMYNutella Tue 16-Apr-13 20:31:09

Spotty I have started malting the last couple of weeks, it is driving me mad! Plus I'd rather not loose my hair hmm...

Well little man is asleep... Lets see how tonight goes... Currently watching a bit of Austin Powers with DP grin

Spotty I have receded at the temples, it's awful and my bridesmaid hair is an updo. It is very noticeable.

We're on our second feed of the night already hmm

Oh no WillYou! I'm sure it's only noticeable to you smile

MaMaPo Tue 16-Apr-13 21:50:00

Argh bottle refusing little minx. Making me and my husband unhappy - I don't want to feed her now; he does. I'm sick of throwing away milk.

Well the hairdresser said to the bride we can't have plaits with our updo as some people don't have much at the sides <pointed look> bitch hmm

J's only been in bed 10 mins so we've not had a wake up yet grin, teething from hell today and has had his injections too. Dosed him up with calpol and ibuprofen and he still screamed and screamed. Poor baby.

It's not helping that I'm really weepy today. Sobbed watching last weeks 24 hours in a & e and listening through the monitor to DP comforting DS and whacking on calgel

Secondsop Tue 16-Apr-13 22:02:32

I've definitely lost some hair too. I do have quite a lot of hair but I didn't gain extra luxuriant pregnancy hair. So I'm currently running a net hair loss overall.

SeymoreButts Tue 16-Apr-13 23:50:22

Argh mama we've been there for well over a month, I'm actually quite shocked that he changed his mind again. Have you got breastmilk storage bags? When he was refusing I'd freeze milk in batches of one ounce each, so that if he turned it down (which he always did) I was only chucking away an ounce. When he changed his mind DH fed him the ounce and I finished the feed, the next night he had 5oz in the bottle. Plus you can use the frozen milk to make up baby rice or porridge when she's ready for that.

hales that's good that you've weaned without too much discomfort!

cookies sad I hope sleep and DD1 start to settle down for you soon. How old is DD1? My DD was 2.5 when DS1 was born, it was novel at first but when he got to around 4 months she started to really act up, I think the novelty had worn off!! It passed fairly quickly though.

Ispy Good news that you've managed to get some milk down N, maybe sucking is too painful so the cup was easier for him? I hope he feels better soon.

willyou I hope LO is sleeping now and recovering from his jabs. I'm quite weepy at the moment. I think it might be hormones though, my skin is beginning to resemble a teenager's. hmm

Yay pidj, snap!!

wow Hels what a tall girl! DS1 was the same, he's 4 now and still long and thing. I resorted to feeding him endless snacks between meals at one point but he still wouldn't chub up!

spotty My hair is still coming out in massive clumps. It's bloody everywhere, I even find it in DS's nappies/leg creases.

DS had another 150mls of milk last night at 10pm and slept until 2am!! shock He then woke up at 4am, 5am and 6am but I'm still really pleased with the 4 hour stretch. I can't remember the last time we had one.

IsThatTrue Wed 17-Apr-13 00:13:23

First wake up after going down at 8!!! shock I think I underestimate this little dude sometimes!

I've just been informed by DH his work schedule the week before he goes to India. He has a 2 day course that he has to stay overnight at, he's at another office one day and won't be home until 7ish, they are now trying to arrange a team meal another night. I am not best happy!

Secondsop Wed 17-Apr-13 00:34:27

isthat that's a bit rubbish; the last thing you'll want at that stage is to hardly see him. Does he go away often for work? Mine does - currently in Dubai but didn't feel the earthquake as they were out of town. He was in India just before that. The rest of the summer will be short trips around this country but then he will be in Australia for two months over Christmas.

IsThatTrue Wed 17-Apr-13 00:53:12

seconds that sucks, could you and LO go with him to Australia. Thankfully DH only goes about once every 3 months. He's lucky as on this trip his dad is in idia (he lives in Dubai) so they get to catch up at the same time. I don't begrudge it just miss him a lot.

SeymoreButts Wed 17-Apr-13 01:14:49

Oh no isthat I'm not surprised you're not happy. sad Does he have to go to the meal? DH hasn't been away for a while but he's got a few trips coming up. The next time he's away he'll be in Melbourne then straight off to brisbane, no time to come home in between.

Oh seconds that's not ideal, are you going to join him over Christmas? We've been talking about coming back to the UK for christmas this year but it depends on finances. Also I'm scared of taking a (possibly mobile) 1 year old on such a long flight!

Not sure I can keep feeding him if he carries on like this sad it's been 90 minutes since he last woke up...

Secondsop Wed 17-Apr-13 05:25:42

isthat seymore yes we're planning to go over to Aus for Christmas but as I'll be back at work I'll only be able to take a fortnight (perhaps 2.5 weeks) at most. My mum has been talking for a while
About coming over to Aus with us on one of our trips and visiting her friends and family in Aus and we're hoping this year will be the year, as she can then help me with Z on the flight. Am aware that things won't go quite as smoothly on the flight when he's 1 compared to how they did when he was 3 months...

That'll then be our last trip back for at least 18-24 months I would have thought; my husband's parents are planning to come over here for Christmas 2014.

Bloody teeth are such a nuisance! We spent all day dosing him with painkillers yesterday so when he starts screaming at 5:30 what does DP do? Presume it's wind and just keep patting his back while he screams. I've had to get up on my one lie in day to administer calpol, it's alright for him he's been taking his lie ins in another country. No chance if being disturbed there!

I'm going back to bed if it kills me!

IsThatTrue Wed 17-Apr-13 06:52:46

Oh spotty and willyou that doesn't sound like a good night for either of you!

So tired. DS fed at 12, 3, 4 but took forever and I didn't get him back down until 5.30, and he woke again at 6 sad he's back down again now but I have to be up soon with the Big kids!

We were up six times. Now have to get ready to take dd to nursery, but she's still asleep!

WeeJo08 Wed 17-Apr-13 08:35:09

Doesn't sound like good nights for many hmm Hope better days follow. C still has the diarrhoea so am giving her the Dioralyte Relief which was prescribed - she took it ok yesterday, fingers crossed for the same today! Still slept through though, which was fantastic.

Can totally sympathise with the hair loss - my hair was so lovely & thick & shiny while I was pregnant & now it's coming out in big long clumps! confused It's EVERYWHERE as well - which I'm sure is really bloody unhygienic. Not helpful when DD has her hands in her mouth 24/7!

Barbeasty Wed 17-Apr-13 08:42:49

From 10.45, when A woke up and came into bed from his crib, the only hours he didn't wake in were midnight and 4am. Up for the day when DD came in at 7.

And I feel rubbish. Bit of a sore throat, and slightly fluey. I hope I'm not going down with anything too much, especially the sickness bug going round my nct group.

I felt a bit sad on Monday, when I gave my 8 weeks notice for returning to work. Now I'm just a bit annoyed that I haven't had any response. I suspect that I'll email again in 7 weeks to find out where they want me to turn up, get no answer, and everyone will be amazed when I arrive.

Helsbelscm Wed 17-Apr-13 09:18:39

Sympathies to the bad nights. A also was partying away at mummy's all night snack bar.I also am having the hair loss phase. We are co-sleeping so both wake up covered in it! I think the co-sleeping may be going to cause us some problems long term as in order to get a bit of sleep I am just stirring when she wakes shoving nearest boob in mouth & going back to sleep. This is largely because A doesn't sleep well after about 4am & needs almost continual patting to soothe her back to sleep so if I didn't sleep through feeds in first half of the night I would be in a complete melt down by now!

MaMaPo Wed 17-Apr-13 10:02:08

Oh man, bad nights everywhere. Sympathies. C wasn't too bad, only fed at 10pm and 3.30am, but was awake quite a while at both feeds which is really unusual for her. Maybe wind-related? She's overdue a poo as well which can't help.

She's also regressed with her napping, which is annoying because that progression only happened a few weeks ago! Needed lots of help to fall asleep in my arms this morning but at least has stayed asleep for the remainder of her nap in the crib. Speaking of which - I think she's stirring.

Major hair loss here too, has been going on for at least 2 months. No bald patches, but I'm lucky I have a lot of hair as the quantity falling out is really astonishing. And I am so sick of cleaning it up!

Having a totally meh day. Think getting myself out and about will help but I feel too meh to do it. Also there's nothing in for my lunch, Jamie is dosed to the eyeballs with painkillers and is fast asleep on me.

I have to feed to sleep in the day mama it's the obly thing that works at the minute. Which is strange as he's not too bad at bedtime touch eood.

Sorry everyone had a shit night. Don't these babies know mummy needs sleep too?

Equimum Wed 17-Apr-13 12:32:32

Another one here who had a bad night. First of all couldn't get him to sleep and had a good hour of screaming, but then slept for 2.5 hours. Fed and got him back down only for DP to get a game play request, very loudly, on his mobile!!!!! Woke all three of us and had difficulty getting DS back off. I'd only been asleep 30 minutes when DP work phone started ringing...a drunk collegue ringing from their pocket!!!! All three of us back up! DS obviously couldn't get back into a deep sleep, so murmured and wriggled for rest of night, while DH repeatedly suggested trying him in his own room! I live DH to bits, but he can be really immature at times!

Anyway, end of rant. Sorry there are so many sleep deprived people on here.

We also have to feed to sleep during the day..and usually hold him.

WeeJo08 Wed 17-Apr-13 12:36:31

Is anyone watching This Morning? There's a guy is on talking about Post Traumatic Stress Disorder that he suffered after his wife gave birth. Thoughts anyone?

ISpyPlumPie Wed 17-Apr-13 13:03:56

Yet another member of the bad night club here. Screaming non-stop at 2.OO am, settled with painkillers in that he stopped screaming, but he would not be put down. Similar with feeding to yesterday - preferred the cup at first, then finished off on the breast. He's definitely not having as much as normal, but still having wet and dirty nappies so hopefully he's getting enough for now and his appetite will come back once he's feeling better.

Sorry so many other people have had bad nights too brew all round I think!

I'm also moulting - thought I'd maybe got away with it this time, as it started pretty well straight after birth before however for the last few weeks I've been finding hair everywhere.

Isthat and Seconds - it must be really tough with your other halves having to work away so much. DH works very long hours, but it's incredibly rare that he actually has to go away. With the hours he does it can feel that I'm doing most things myself, but I do at least get to see him at some point each day. I can imagine it could get very hard at times if that's not the case.

WeeJo08 Wed 17-Apr-13 13:12:13

Isthat & seconds My hubby is also away a lot with work - last week Claudia and I flew back from our holiday in the US on our own as he had to go on to San Francisco for another week (it was tough but the airline staff were amazingly helpful!) Tomorrow he's away to London again and next week it's Brussels and London again sad

Ispy Poor you and poor DS hmm I had a little sticking plaster here this morning too - she usually goes down for her morning nap but today she was having none of it, was only happy with me & at that, only happy with me when I was moving! I often think of her as my little personal trainer grin You said DS was having milk from a cup? A sippy cup?

I weighed myself today and although I'm still about 12lb more than I was I haven't hit 9stone yet so I suppose if I could go one hour without eating cake I might lose some weight hmm I want to start the shred again but I'm too bloody tired!

Work text me asking if I could come in and help. I said no though.

ISpyPlumPie Wed 17-Apr-13 13:58:56

Weejo - it's a tommee tippee tip-it-up cup. It has a soft spout, and isn't free-flowing so he still has to suck to get the milk but it has been the only thing that both he and DS1 would drink from other than me. Can't remember when DS1 started with a sippy cup - know it was after we'd started solids as it he had water in it, and I didn't give him water until he was eating food.

WeeJo08 Wed 17-Apr-13 14:21:09

Ispy Just looked them up - they look like a great idea!

Fuck me, make room on the sobbing sofa! J is going out of his mind with pain, I have never heard screeching like it. The neighbours may report me to ss. (He's stopped now btw the calpol kicked in, I'm not mn while he shrieks in a corner). My asda shop is melting on the kitchen floor and he's shit all over the inside of his dungarees. I need a Valium!

Oh no WillYou! Poor j sad

I keep punching myself in the face when I unclip my bra to feed ds hmm

Stacks Wed 17-Apr-13 17:01:12

Another bad night here. Though started well with a 3 hour (!) nap in the living room in his pram from 7-10. Then into pjs and a nappy change and fed to sleep nicely. However then woke me at least every 2 hours, woke about 5 and needed constant resettling with tummy rubs before getting up at 7. His naps during the day are decent though, I start him off on me then move him to his pram when he first stirs.

Willyou poor LO! Hope he's feeling better soon.

I'm out of options, he's had everything he can had and he's wailing again. I think the next step is to hit one of us over the head with a mallet to knock us unconscious. Not decided which one yet.

ISpyPlumPie Wed 17-Apr-13 17:52:18

Willyou -((hugs)). It's so horrible hearing them in pain isn't it? Glad the calpol is helping him for now and will keep fx that his teeth break through soon.

Oh no WillYou sad maybe go for a walk? Or a drive? Poor baby

I've put a frozen muslin on his gums and rocked and rocked him and he's fallen asleep. Keeps dpong that juddery breathing in his sleep, the kind you do when you've sobbed your heart out. sad I would quite literally break every bone in my body if I could make it better, sob.

Can dose him again at 7 with the calpol. The nurofen seems to do bugger all. I can't even feel a tooth waiting to erupt. So this may be a long process.

MaMaPo Wed 17-Apr-13 18:27:24

Oh god willyou, you poor thing. Can you have a stiff drink on his behalf? I guess the one upside is that he won't remember it. Doesn't make it any less traumatising for you though.

Quite a grumpy girl here today - she's been tugging and hitting her right ear - teething? Ear problems? She's drooly and everything goes into the mouth, but I can't feel any hard spots and there are no red cheeks.

We have anbesol and teetha granules now! And the trip to sainsburys calmed him down.

Could be Mama I suggest stocking up on medicine and patience and gin

MaMaPo Wed 17-Apr-13 19:25:52

Plenty of gin in the house- as well as lots of akvavit so I should be fine!

Helsbelscm Wed 17-Apr-13 19:35:15

Out of interest is anyone doing anything about the dreadful sleep? Been with a friend this afternoon who seemed to feel I should be "doing something". She has 2 DC but am not convinced her suggestions are anything I would do.
Also sympathy to the tethers. Hope the drugs are working for the babies and that the gin is working for the mums!

Like what hels? Any miracle cures welcome wink pretty sure it's just a case of riding it out they're still only little

Helsbelscm Wed 17-Apr-13 20:04:51

Have no idea of what spotty! Saw a good friend today who was telling me what she did to "improve" her DDs sleep but basically it involved leaving her to cry quite a lot as far as I can tell which I am to willing to do. I don't think she meant to but the conversation left me feeling a bit upset as she seemed to be saying I should be fixing things rather than moaning.

Helsbelscm Wed 17-Apr-13 20:06:01

Should say NOT willing to do!
Don't like idea of anything that involves DD screaming for ages & sure the neighbours don't either!

I only leave ds to cry when I'm completely at the end of my tether and need to calm down. Certainly don't do it at night, dp would not be impressed wink

Ds has gone 6/7/8 and even 9 hours at night before so I'm sure this is just a phase and I'm pretty sure once I stop breastfeeding he will go longer at night so I keep reminding myself it won't last forever grin

Pop her at the bottom of the garden Hels, that's what they did in the 50s and it never did then any harm! (Advice I've had from GMiL)

Speaking of stupid things to say, the nurse who did ds' injections yesterday came out with a corker. He had his injections (x3) and was screaming so I gave him a kiss and she said "Oh yeah, he looks like a mummy's boy, I could tell!" hmm 1. That's so rude, 2. Aren't all 4 month olds mummy's boys? As that's where the milk comes from they don't have much bloody choice!

Ds really likes men confused he always smiles and chats away to any man. But boob trumps everything!

I'm staying up to watch 24 hours I'm a&e should def be in bed...

WeeJo08 Wed 17-Apr-13 20:45:32

Woohoo!! Our wee daughter has normal hips!! grin Had the X-ray this evening & all was fine! Yay!! grin

Stacks Wed 17-Apr-13 21:07:18

Great news weejo!

Hels, the HV at our breastfeeding group is constantly tling mums to do controlled crying to fix sleep issues. No mention of growth spurts or temporary problems, just "leave them cry as long as you can stand it". I always feel like saying something as she presents it as a sure fire cure all.

That's great Weejo smile

And today's winner is <drumroll> ANBESOL LIQUID! Spotty I could kiss you all over your lovely little face grin He's asleep and I didn't even have to give him his last dose of calpol. <cartwheels around room>

WeeJo08 Wed 17-Apr-13 21:12:47

Woop! That's great Willyou! grin <stockpiles Anbesol, for emergencies>

gringringrin Glad to be of use! Hopefully he will get some good sleep in now.

WeeJo that's really good news, hip problems are no fun.

Stacks I'm shock I really like my HV but she told me she was pleased I wasn't thinking if weaning until six months and thinks it's silly people replace milk calories with puréed veg and then told my friend with 18wo that it's good to start giving tasters confused maybe she just thought she's best agree with me grin

MaMaPo Wed 17-Apr-13 21:49:32

weejo, great news, you must be relieved.

willyou, quick, go to bed! Glad your LO is doing better. I have never heard of that liquid. Is it similar to Bonjela?

Hels, I have one (childless) friend who keeps referring to 'sleep school'. I would consider a more concerted approach to sleeping if I got to 6-8 months and it really was a problem, but that doesn't necessarily mean I'd resort to crying it out or anything. I would just start to track and understand the problem better. At the moment C's sleep isn't too bad (crosses fingers) but even if it were rubbish the babies are smack bang in a huge developmental phase, coupled with growth spurt, so they have every reason to be waking frequently. I'd hate not to respond to my baby when she needed me, and I think babies need us right now. That's a long winded way of saying you should do what you want!

Mama it's similar but has an extra ingredient in it. It's pharmacy only too (or always used to be?) so must be stronger grin

MaMaPo Wed 17-Apr-13 22:09:43

<stocks up>

Yep I got it from behind the pharmacy counter. It's like calgel but super strength. I'm limp with exhaustion now, not physical just mental!

itsMYNutella Wed 17-Apr-13 22:25:01

Willyou glad you and the LO can get some rest!

weejo so happy that you have good news about your DD's hips!smile

DS still has a horrible cold but I hope tonight what we have done helps-
-Mattress tilted
-eucalyptus oil on a tissue under his sheet
-dose of calpol at bedtime

He has been sleeping ok but it's horrible hearing him struggling against the too occasionally in the night sad tonight he sounds like he is breathing a little easier.
Speaking of sleeping - I think I might be sort of accidentally Ferberising him... I put him down to sleep after feeding him to the eyeballs and although sleepy and tired he isn't asleep (usually) so I sing to him, stroke his face, shush him a bit and then he is normally very relaxed and content. Then I leave him for a few minutes and go back to him and depending on how awake or sleepy he is I sing again or just shush him some more. But if he is fighting the sleep I leave him to it and go back and check on him at intervals. He doesn't cry and will sometimes chat away to himself. If he does cry I go straight too him and comfort him; but he is generally a chilled out happy chap.
He is 15 weeks, I'm hoping he hasn't read about sleep regression...

WeeJo08 Wed 17-Apr-13 22:31:09

I think doing what's best for your baby, your family & you is a very personal decision which cannot be taken by anyone outside of that little circle...which is my normal out loud response to "helpful" advice. My in-my-head response has a few more Fs in it....grin

Yes, v relieved about the hips. The HV flagged up that C had asymmetric creases on her legs & told us to see our GP as it could signal hip dysplasia. The GP had a look & agreed, so we were referred for an X-ray (the GP was very reassuring about it & said that if leg creases aren't even then an X-ray is done as a matter of course). Obviously I still worried though! Interestingly, the doctor said that 10 years ago they wouldn't have done any further investigation for uneven creases. Anyway, we went to the Children's Hospital today & they did an ultrasound & told us then & there that her hips were totally normal grin Woop!

Spotty/Willyou Is the Anbesol applied like Bonjela?

Yeah get the liquid, tip onto finger, wipe around gums! Bob's your uncle!

I do whatever works for me with the sleep and touch wood I know I've been incredibly lucky.

Everyone too tired to post?! Ds was up at:

10
00:30 (took ages to go back to sleep I woke up with him asleep on my chest at 02:00)
03:45
06:00 (up for the day now hmm)

When I was trying to get him back go sleep at about one I was obviously pretty grumpy and it really annoys me that dp's answer is always 'well we'll have to start giving him formula' it makes me feel really shit and like he's got no appreciation for what I've been doing that past four and a half months angry

Rant over grin WillYou I hope j had a pain free night?

Haven't heard from WL or eggs for a bit?

Just got up, high five Jamie!

You're doing great Spotty, he probably just sees it as you FF DD and she's fine so it's not a big deal. Whereas we know how hard you've worked to BF, especially after he was FF in SCBU.

Equimum Thu 18-Apr-13 07:02:34

Glad your LOs hips are okay weejo

spotty really feel for you.

After a rubbish day yesterday with screaming and wackiness mummy lots, DS woke every hour from 1.30 and seemed to develop a new game in between. It resembled musical statues, with lots of movement and noise until I looked over the side of the cot, at which point he'd lay dead still and quiet! confused

Is it bad to want coffee and cake before 7am! blush

Thanks WillYou

Equimum I often have cake for breakfast, if it's homemade it's healthy you know wink and I can't function without coffee!

IsThatTrue Thu 18-Apr-13 07:09:36

Yay for good hips weejo

It's great you got some sleep willyou

Sorry to hear dps arsiness spotty I'd be quite affronted if DH suggested I just put DS on formula as an answer to everything.

Well DS slept 10.30-4 and 4.30-7!!!! I feel awake for the first time in weeks! Woohoo! He was in bed at 8 but fed at 9 and 10. Although I'm not complaining after what followed!

IsThat you give me hope as in pretty your ds started his bad sleeping not long before ds so hopefully we haven't got long left (fx!)

Equimum Thu 18-Apr-13 07:17:12

is that that's fab sleeping; hope it continues for you

WeeJo08 Thu 18-Apr-13 08:10:01

Good night here - 8:30 - 7am I think. Heading to Mums & Babies this morning smile I first went before we went on hols and it was so nice to meet other Mums! Do any of you go to any groups? Hubby away to London on business this morning, just for the day thankfully.

IsThatTrue Thu 18-Apr-13 08:28:16

weejo we go to toddlers on a thurs but that's it as I work from home the rest of the week.

Tired boy can't quite last until the school run for his nap anymore, he's shouting at me because he's tired !

Ds's already been napping for 45 minutes!

MaMaPo Thu 18-Apr-13 08:44:22

C's been asleep an hour already - with a little help she is getting better at prolonging her naps.

Ok night - big feed at 10 after going down at 7, then fed at 3 and up at 6.30. It should be fine but I am crap at getting back to sleep after the 3am feed, plus she's noisy and sometimes needs the dummy from 5. But all things considered her sleep isn't a problem.

Weejo - your sleep! I can't imagine C doing that - she has big feeds in the night, plus she's a strapping girl! We go to a bf support group, which actually is just a nice room full of toys and a place to sit about, chat and drink tea. I went to baby bounce at the library a few times but the singing was so awful I couldn't bear it!

I go to baby sensory on Mondays and baby bubble and rhyme (singing) on Thursdays. I want to go to swim tots but DP wants to take him with me the first time so he'll be about 16 when we get round to it!

We don't have any baby groups like that round here sad

Ds has been asleep an hour and fifteen minutes shock his morning nap is usually 40 and dd and I are being quite noisy!

Barbeasty Thu 18-Apr-13 09:24:31

We'd have got a good 3 or 4 hour stint at the start of the night, if DD hadn't woken up desperate for a wee. DH dealt with it, but it woke me up. Mind you, it was her first dry night.

We go to Bounce & Rhyme at the library on a Monday morning and a playgroup in the afternoon. I've been taking A for a swimming lesson on Tuesdays, but next week is the last one. Wednesday is Bumps and Babes, and the last few weeks I've had a post natal course run by the children's centre. This afternoon I might go to a new baby group the children's centre are starting in our village. Friday I normally do the shopping, now that DD's dance classes aren't running this term.

I will go back to work for a rest!

IsThatTrue Thu 18-Apr-13 09:27:29

spotty maybe he likes the noise? DS finds it incredibly hard to sleep in silence as he's so used to having the big dcs around creating havoc!

Well he stayed awake in the sling for the school run, had 5 mins in the buggy with me pushing once home but woke wanting noob, went back to sleep and now we're on the way to toddlers!

I'm getting a spray tan next week gringringrin hopefully it will stop me looking so dead!

IsThatTrue Thu 18-Apr-13 12:52:56

Screamy mc screamerson this afternoon sad walking round the garden singing hush little baby!

ISpyPlumPie Thu 18-Apr-13 12:58:55

Weejo - great news about the scan and also fantastic sleep.

Willyou - sounds like you've found the solution for teething. Glad you got some rest.

Spotty - agree that your DP is being less than helpful and think Equimum is on to something in terms of him comparing the situation to your DD. They could just be very different anyway. FWIW, I've bf both times and (barring teething/ear infections) N generally settles far more easily than DS1 ever did. I also think the way you kept feeding going through SCBU was pretty wonderful actually.

FX everyone but it seems I've got my happy little chap back. He was still a bit unsettled yesterday evening but we were starting to get some giggles again. Much better night and he's been feeding/napping as usual today. He's now on his playmat like the chilled out dude he normally is grin.

Thanks ISpy smile

Ds wants feeding again and it's only been an hour...

IsThatTrue Thu 18-Apr-13 13:20:24

We have retired to bed (I'm supposed to be working so shall be busy this evening hmm) and little man is finally asleep. As long as my nipple remains in his mouth hmm

Make the most and have an afternoon nap IsThat! envygrin

He. Will. Not. Stop. Crying.

Dd has just bought him her dolly's dummy grin

Secondsop Thu 18-Apr-13 15:59:24

We don't go to any groups yet. Now that we've got the big trip to Australia out of the way and my husband is back from India/Dubai we'll look some up.

spotty Z just had a long, frustrating spell of not stopping crying. I think he'd got overtired as his routine had got messed up by the cleaner coming. I might see if she can come in the mornings instead of in the afternoons as he's really settled into a routine of short morning nap, long afternoon nap. Am currently watching the King's Speech during his long nap!

MaMaPo Thu 18-Apr-13 16:01:57

C has been all over the shop today - bright as a button, then bursts into tears. I think she's generally happy with some low level teething pain. Just had her 4 month jabs so that should make things extra fun. She was v brave, didn't start crying until second jab. Do I imagine she looked at me accusingly?

Spotty, I hope things calm down in your house soon.

Well I've just given ds calpol which isn't something I would usually do if I'm not sure he's in pain but I've had enough blush anyway he was grabbing the syringe and holding into it loving the calpol hmm no tongue thrusting.....making me think that he will take to weaning well in sixish weeks (eek!)

MaMaPo Thu 18-Apr-13 16:42:44

Spotty, the ease with which C takes her vitamin drops off a spoon every day makes me think she's not far off being ready to start weaning.

Secondsop Thu 18-Apr-13 17:11:41

I'm sure Z isn't far off weaning - eg see the scone photo I put on Facebook.

Found out today that my oldest friend from childhood (with whom I now have a somewhat odd relationship), who has an 18-month-old, has never been away for him for longer than 3 hours. In fact there has just been the one 3 hour stretch and the rest of them have been way shorter. Now, I love little Z more than anything in the world but the thought of that makes me hyperventilate somewhat. Am I abnormal?

IsThatTrue Thu 18-Apr-13 17:19:07

Nope not abnormal seconds

spotty my DS won't stop screeching, not necessarily crying but his insessent screech and fighting sleep. DH has sent me to bed as apparantly I look dead (nice!) but he's sent me with DS (y'know the screeching one?) as he's making the kids pizzas for dinner. So I'm obviously not sleeping. hmm I asked him if he wanted me to do the pizzas (DH and cooking don't mix) and he said 'no you need to rest' hmm he's not normally useless!

MaMaPo Thu 18-Apr-13 18:33:16

Is that, last night I did the cooking on my own (unusual as we usually cook together) so I could listen to podcasts and potter away, an my husband was on baby monitoring duty. It was nice to be off duty for a change!

Very fidgety baby during this bedtime feed. Now she's singing and scratching me. Glad I cut her nails today.

IsThatTrue Thu 18-Apr-13 18:45:52

He's asleep!!!!

He's still in his daytime clothes, in his crib in the living room, but he's asleep!!! (Only 6 hrs of fighting it)

High five baby isthat!

Better day here! Only one calpol, one anbesol and 2 teethas required all day! He has had 3 1-2 hour naps today shock, this is unheard of! Post jab drowsiness?

Seconds I cannot imagine only 3h to yourself in 18 months. Surely you'd crack up?

The teetha granules go down very very well! Not surprising as I tried them and they seem to be pure sugar!

MaMaPo Thu 18-Apr-13 19:24:32

Aren't teething granules homeopathic? Time to link to 'Homeopathic A&E' on YouTube! grin

Seconds, I agree, 3h in 18 months seems a bit bonkers to me. I have already outstripped that - I was out for 4.5 hours the other night when we went to the theatre. It was fantastic!

It reminds me - we had an informal NCT mum's meetup today, and one of the mothers came who often doesn't turn up. I walked in and she was just sat there in the cafe, alone. No baby! The baby is FF and was with her mum. I was taken aback, because I'm BFing I can't quite imagine what it must be like to have a 'day off' like that. 'Only until 5pm!' she said! She was doing things like running chores, getting her hair cut and nails done... sounds idyllic to me. But I do love BFing (and baby C loves it too) so I guess I'll get a day off when she's quite a bit older. Maybe sooner if she changes her mind about taking EBM in a bottle, or if we try a cup.

Have been reading about BLW versus puree... I am very tempted to wait a little longer, skip the spoon feeding, and stick to BLW.

MaMaPo Thu 18-Apr-13 19:25:05

Oh, meant to hand isthat a very large gin. Here you go - drink that, and go to bed!

Secondsop Thu 18-Apr-13 19:33:47

Oh willyou I must get some granules. I've been giving Z calpol but it's not really giving him much comfort. And y, I would absolutely crack up if I didn't have some time to myself or even a dinner out with my husband. She said that she had waited long enough for a baby and figured that the other stuff can wait, a sentiment that I understand perfectly but I just don't know how she does it.

I do a mixture of mashed up food and finger food....so breakfast will be porridge type thing lunch little finger food bits and some fruit purée thing and dinner will be whatever we have mashed as much as possible then a yoghurt. Main meal will be given at lunch time. Obviously I won't go straight in with three meals a day wink

My sister has never spent more than four hours away from her 2.5 year old....

Secondsop Thu 18-Apr-13 19:41:57

mamapo the longest I've done is about 9 hours when I had a rehearsal and then sang in a service and then went to a party with the choir. At that point I was still breastfeeding (although not exclusively) so it was quite hard on my boobs. It was, though, an important part of reconnecting with a non-baby aspect of my life.

Equimum Thu 18-Apr-13 19:43:45

One three hour break in 18 months shock. I hadn't had more than ten minutes until DS was 12 weeks, at which point I pleaded DH to take him out for two hours so I could some housework done...but on the hand, I don't think I could leave him all day yet, even if he would take a bottle!

For a baby who didn't sleep much last night, DS has been surprisingly chirpy today. Went to baby playtime at children's centre this morning, then NCT meet-up this afternoon.

We're interested in BLW but DS only 15 weeks so I'm hoping it still quite a way off. What resources have you been reading Mama

Secondsop Thu 18-Apr-13 19:46:11

Ooh spotty mixture of mashed up and finger food sounds a good way to go. I might try that with Z when we get to weaning as he does seem to want to pick things up and put them in his mouth.

IsThatTrue Thu 18-Apr-13 19:52:52

I think what I do is BLW wait until they grab food off my plate and let them get on with it grin I call it 'lazy weaning' I cba to faff about pureeing. It hasn't done ds1 any harm, he eats a far better range of food than dd and she had purrees. although her lack of variety is with carbs so I'm not overly bothered tbh, she's great with fruit and veg

He woke at 7.30, I'm now trying to feed him to sleep.

I shall be drinking wine later and eating Chinese food DH is about to order! Today has been a not good day!

MaMaPo Thu 18-Apr-13 20:02:01

You deserve a Chinese, Isthat! And a wine.

Equimum, I borrowed the Annabel Karmel book and have been reading the websites that are on the first page of results when you google BLW. Havin watched my friend's 6mo absolutely demolish sticks of broccoli and sweet potato, I want to do that!

Mmm Chinese! Yum I will have chicken chow mein and crispy shredded beef please smile

Ds is only 15 weeks corrected but I think with weaning it's done in actual age because the gut starts maturing once they're born and having milk

We eat a fair bit of risotto and things with mash or jacket potatoes so easy to mush up. I will batch make some things for him to have when we have pizza or takeaway otherwise I think what we eat will be fine. Will have to remember to not add salt!

IsThatTrue Thu 18-Apr-13 20:29:40

50 minutes to feed to sleep ffs wine here I come!!

IsThatTrue Thu 18-Apr-13 21:11:49

And up again at 9. I'm in for a long night!

We're not that far behind you IsThat....

MaMaPo Thu 18-Apr-13 22:42:11

<scatters sleepy dust> night all. I'll be anooing as soon as C decides to stop rolling and grunting like a warthog.

MaMaPo Thu 18-Apr-13 22:42:28

Snoozing!

Secondsop Thu 18-Apr-13 22:46:24

I have a full household back in my bedroom now smile Husband, baby, cat.

I have ENORMO-BOOBS at present. Anyone else get this a couple of weeks after stopping feeding? They're not engorged with milk, just massive.

Ds has stopped going back to sleep after I put him in his cot after a feed. It's really fucking annoying.

SeymoreButts Thu 18-Apr-13 23:42:27

Mine too spotty, I can't work it out.

IsThatTrue Fri 19-Apr-13 01:14:15

Oh spotty and seymore when people asks if he sleeps at night I've always said I can deal with the wakes ups as long as he goes back to sleep after feeding. Even if its every hour. I feel for you both.

Well we went down at 10.30, up at 1, asleep again. I'm getting my head back down, we'll see how the rest of the night goes!

Fx you lot get some sleep!

MaMaPo Fri 19-Apr-13 01:43:16

Up now. sad a backwards step compared to last few nights. She is having a decent feed at least.

Ds always used to IsThat. I really can't keep going like this.

SeymoreButts Fri 19-Apr-13 02:36:33

mama I hope you get a decent stretch now. Fingers crossed.

Thanks Isthat flowers

Spotty DS used to go straight back down, or if he was awake he would fidget a bit and then drift off. For the last week he's been needing settling and I'm so shattered I've just been bringing him into bed with me, which keeps me up because he kicks and scratches but at least I'm lying down. I've been giving him bigger and bigger dream feeds and it's made no difference at all. Last night he had 210mls of breast milk at 10pm and he was up and feeding again 2 hours later! At least he's chilled out a bit in the day though.

seconds I always get that after weaning, it takes ages for them to go down!

DS just passed the banana test with flying colours. DS1 was poking his banana in his face and he snatched it and gummed a bit. Cue outrage from DS1. At least it wasn't chocolate buttons I suppose. DS1 is being really naughty at the moment. hmm

IsThatTrue Fri 19-Apr-13 03:04:22

And again. <yawn>

Equimum Fri 19-Apr-13 05:54:40

Sorry to hear about yet more awful nights, and particularly the staying awake. I agree with isthat, constant waking is better than refusal to resettle. When DS was tiny it always took a good two hours to get him back off, and it was a killer.

Well, apparently it's morning here. Who knew that there were two 5.30s to be awake for in a day before having children!

utopian99 Fri 19-Apr-13 05:57:33

We're planning on BLW, too lazy to do purees and it seems to be pretty intuitive anyway. Dh tried poking the end of a strawberry at him to lick the other day but only marginal interest, despite all fingers and muslins going in the mouth.

Sorry for being awol I'll still feel awful. m the thread these last few days. Sleep regression isn't over still although I'm getting some rest as he's back in with us from about 3 most nights when I get too tired to keep putting him down just to be woken 1.5hrs later

Dealing with some very frustrating people on my latest project, plus a house sale which is distracting me from spending quality time with him. Got a lot done yesterday while my mother was here to look after him but I could hear him giggling away watching her throw a ball for the dog and it just underlined that I'm spending my time working when I could be with him.
On the flip side it's making money, there's no one I trust more with him apart from dh than my mother, and he's obviously fine . And it's not like I'm back in the office all day. Think once I let work pick up again we might need some sort of au pair though and i

Sorry for my middle of the night whining blush I always feel much better in the morning grin I can't for the life of me remember what time ds's last feed was. I usually check my phone though and I didn't see seymore's post at 2:30 confused

Seymore that's really funny about the banana! How old is ds1?

Helsbelscm Fri 19-Apr-13 07:42:02

So tired. Actually having a little cry this morning.

Oh Hels sad coffee and cake for you on the sobbing sofa. Is there any way you can get a nap in?

Helsbelscm Fri 19-Apr-13 08:08:41

No A has nap regressed too. Will only nap in sling now or pram if outdoors, wakes when I come in (she used to nap in pram in hallway).
DH working today then away for weekend.