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November 2012 - The new quiche sleepy dust crop-sprayer plane seems to be working

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StuntNun Fri 12-Apr-13 15:10:16
Izzybuzzybuzzybees Fri 12-Apr-13 15:25:23

First here! Does that mean i get sleepy dust from the top of the pile and it might work?!

StuntNun Fri 12-Apr-13 16:04:10

Hold it Izzy this fred isn't official yet. No stealing all the sleepy dust before everyone else arrives.

<creeps in with shovel and bag, wearing mask>

<looks round furtively>

<nicks some dust from the back of the plane>

<legs it>

ChunkyChicken Fri 12-Apr-13 18:41:35

<dons flight goggles, gloves, helmet and white scarf>

<starts system checks>

<looks pointedly at PR>

<locks rear of plane/dust hopper to prevent scavengers>

<starts plotting flight plan that focuses on MM & Kirrin's houses>

Izzybuzzybuzzybees Fri 12-Apr-13 18:46:18

I need sleepy dust stunt hence trying to steal it! J jas had a total of 8hours sleep since midnight this morning! He just doesn't seem to think sleeping is any good!

MadamGazelleIsMyMum Fri 12-Apr-13 18:57:58

<makes request to Pilot chunky for flight plan to include the SW>

Pikz Fri 12-Apr-13 19:02:12

Just keeps tight reign on sleepy dust... Gives VQ another cape...

PurplePidjin Fri 12-Apr-13 20:00:49

brew

Well I had to nick some. The plane hasn't been crossing the Channel

BigPigLittlePig Fri 12-Apr-13 20:17:29

<PMs chunky with address of chateau pig>

<loop the loops over chateau pig please Pilot>

ValiumQueen Fri 12-Apr-13 21:00:34

Thank you pikz not that I will fucking bother if the plane gets all the fucking credit angry

Sophiathesnowfairy Fri 12-Apr-13 21:43:20

Get your cape on vq

Can mummy have some sleepy dust tonight. I can't get the lid off my lavender roller ball.

ChunkyChicken Fri 12-Apr-13 22:38:51

It's just marketing innit VQ? New technology, whizzy publicity campaign = brain-washing of sleep deprived Mummies wink

<jumps into cockpit>

<tries to find ignition>

<realises trying to start it with car key>

<jumps out, turns propeller, engine starts>

<jumps back in, checks flight plan and location of mm Kirrin BPLP madam's houses>

<realises geography isn't a strong point, so scraps flight plan in favour of just flying in great big circles over a giant quiche Lorraine>

<circles round the runway>

<takes off>

Night all.grin

kirrinIsland Sat 13-Apr-13 00:02:45

I was just about to request a Fly over for the south east but I see I'm already in the flight plan grin and thanks chunky

VQ I'll give you all the credit in the world if you and your cape can make it right down south. If you can't see the Channel you've not gone far enough!

Donnadoon Sat 13-Apr-13 05:00:36

<lifts collar like Kenickie from Grease> just finished my first Fred.

ValiumQueen Sat 13-Apr-13 05:40:00

Note to self. Do not do a fucking long meaningful inspiring helpful post at the end of a fucking thread!

My cape expeditions cover Europe but no further.

Summary of post was

SIDS is a real fear but if fear is unmanageable see GP. Fear growing with subsequent kids is understandable as it is easy to think your luck will run out. Do your best to be as safe as you can and try to channel any thoughts into enjoying every precious moment.

I reminded of the loss of a precious child of the group 10 years ago to SIDS ((hug to mummy))

I have an Angelcare which is fab and helps me sleep better, but think if you bought one now, it would not be used for long as rolling can give false alarms. I had a Tommee Tippee which was shite. They may be better now.

I also said that mine activated when DD2 was tiny and she was not breathing. She may well have started breathing again anyway, but I was most thankful I had the monitor. I have heard though that even if instant care is given, if it is SIDS then revival is impossible thus many saying the movement monitors give false reassurance.

Do not let this fear spoil precious moments with your babies x

MaMaPo Sat 13-Apr-13 05:40:04

Morning all. Sleepy dust managed to hit us to some extent (stretches of 5 and 3 hours) but I suspect lots of poo-related wriggling. Everyone keep their heads down...

Need to wander back to the old Fred to see the news.

ValiumQueen Sat 13-Apr-13 05:41:47

And I thanked everyone for kind words.

kirrinIsland Sat 13-Apr-13 05:59:44

Thanks for the sleepy dust flyovers - N has done 3 hours then 2.5 hours. This is pretty good. Now, same again please N.

TheDetective Sat 13-Apr-13 06:10:20

So last night he slept through. Tonight it was back to fucking 2 and 6. angry. Plus an extra wake up before we went to bed.

<cries at false hope>

Kyzordz Sat 13-Apr-13 06:12:04

Morning all, sounds like some awful nights were had last night! brew to those in need. Hello shiny new Fred, and hello son of mine wot is grumbling in his cot. Guess it is morning after all!

StuntNun Sat 13-Apr-13 06:28:40

<Shambles on to thread>

J decided that 5:45 was a good time to start the day. Not on a Saturday please J. I was hoping for a bit of a lie in (7:30?) because I was up late watching a rubbish film with DH. It's called Warrior King and it's about a Thai elephant keeper who has to travel to Sydney to rescue his kidnapped elephants from a transsexual mob leader who runs a restaurant which serves exotic animal dishes. Absolutely bizarre film. I wish I had gone to bed early watched something decent.

DS2 was up twice last night. He had been sleeping through reliably before J arrived but now he's up all the time - drink of water, nightmares, lost teddy, just one more poem please daddy. I wish I knew what was wrong with him. I think it's more than just jealousy of the baby.

Lily311 Sat 13-Apr-13 06:49:00

Morning,

She was up twice. I was up half of the night. A nap is in order at lunch time.

Dixiebell Sat 13-Apr-13 06:51:29

Ooh I do love the first brew of the day. Would love it more an hour or so later but hey.

Sophiathesnowfairy Sat 13-Apr-13 07:09:10

Poor ds2 * stunt* it does seem like more than any jealousy. Worth checking all ok at school? As well as where is he in his development I a learning fast that contrary to popular belief boys are just as complex, if not more so than girls. They too have clear hormonal changes at different points. I have been reading the .Steve Biddulph, Bringing up Boys that talks about these.

Good night here. DH is downstairs with the boys and I am lounging in bed.

I am going to try dying my hair myself forthe first time ever today. <grimace emoticon >

kirrinIsland Sat 13-Apr-13 07:17:03

Oh no detective I hate the false hope thing sad

Hope you get a good nap lily and that you get a lie in tomorrow stunt

Good luck with the hair dye Sophia Before and after pics on FB?!

I am quite pleased with N, even though I still need matchstick. That last sleep was only an hour but the others were 2 or more which is ok for her. I won't say perhaps we're getting somewhere as I've said it before and we so weren't getting anywhere!

What are you all up to today?

Morning. I'm off to my wine market this morning after breakfast then will be going to the supermarket later on to buy bubbles for DD1 and food for a picnic tomorrow.

VQ both the fact I can't take my drink anymore and that I am driving later on means you can be reassured I will not be drunk in charge of the kids grin Wine markets are one of those situations where you have to decide to spit or swallow, and unfortunately it is better to spit in these circumstances. As for the swearing, there will certainly be some when I drive to the ahops later. Hate driving.

Talking of which, it is very strange hearing DD1 speaking English words with a French accent. Horse becomes hoss for example.

Not the worst night here once DD1 finally let us sleep.

fruitpastilles Sat 13-Apr-13 07:36:32

Morning all, terrible night here, S woke every 30 mins for her dummy. I ended up sleeping on her floor as I was sick of getting up.
lily not sure if someone has already suggested this, or if O has cow and gate... But they do pre made sterilised bottles, they only have 3oz in each, but would be a lot less faffing.

m.boots.com/mt/www.boots.com/en/Cow-Gate-Starter-Pack-from-Newborn-Stage-1_1189297/#un_jtt_addtohome_hidden

Anyone else's baby making noises like a violin being played by a beginner? Or a really creaky door? And finding it hilarious? LO having a great time here.

Clarella Sat 13-Apr-13 07:45:55

checks in. yawns.

rubbish night.

dh also thinks formula will work to extend sleep.

sadly I feel we have an issue now simply needing boob for comfort.

Clarella Sat 13-Apr-13 07:46:31

oh and anyone else have a baby who can't feed in the morning till the poo comes out?

Lily311 Sat 13-Apr-13 07:49:01

Thanks fruit. But the bottles are too small. I am watching some pre sterilised bottles on ebay too, i will see whether I can get them cheap.

We have no plans today, a trip to asda or tesco is in order though.

StuntNun Sat 13-Apr-13 07:59:01

Clarella I tried formula in the evening but it made no difference to J's sleep. What did help was tanking him up. I was expressing milk in the morning (by only feeding on one side) then giving him the EBM at 5 and a then a breast feed at 7-7.30 and a dream feed at 10.30 which carries him through for a lot longer - he started stretching out to 6 hours, now he will manage up to 8 after the dream feed and I have stopped expressing now, just offer breast feeds at 5, 7ish and 10.30. You have to be past the sleep regression for it to to work completely.

PR it's more like a pterodactyl screech here. grin

I have that book too Sophia! There's lots going on with poor old DS2 at the moment: he's heading for 7 so he's becoming more independent and developing new fears of things that never worried him before; he's at that age where they all keep falling out with each other at school; he's very bright but struggling at school I suspect due to undiagnosed dyslexia; he's living in the shadow of a SN big brother who isn't a good role model; and mummy's busy with a new baby brother who he loves dearly but does take a lot of mummy's time and attention. It's difficult to know what to do about it really. I've told him that the hour between him getting home and DS1 getting home from school is 'DS2 and mummy special time' which I'm hoping will help.

Have to go and rescue DH, he can't hear the F1 qualifying over J's screeching.

Sophiathesnowfairy Sat 13-Apr-13 08:04:15

Hair dye in. Off to make the wheaten bread while it stews confused

ValiumQueen Sat 13-Apr-13 08:11:14

That prescription formula tastes even worse than it smells. J took it after a bit of thought. He drank more than he has in the morning all week and looks very happy. Better than the taste of acid and discomfort I bet. But seriously it is VILE!

Donnadoon Sat 13-Apr-13 08:18:39

VQ Sorry about your post and you are exactly right about the luck will run out thought.thankyou for the reassurance x

ChunkyChicken Sat 13-Apr-13 08:28:27

Have a v snotty bubba here, so v glad to get an undisturbed 1-5.45 sleep. Outside of that, he clearly just wanted comfort from a dummy. Having saline'd & sucked, I'm hoping he'll get over it soon.

Sorry to those that has bad nights note to self, buy the better grade of sleepy dust, not the value range

donna no advice as others have said it all. I would say that having anxiety like that is normal, if its just taking care/action etc, but if it starts dictating your life & taking over, then, like any reaction to an event, you might need help & support from your GP etc. I was far more anxious throughout DS's pg than through DD's, perhaps because I was more aware of things that could go wrong, but now he's here, I'm far more relaxed about some things!! Thankfully SIDS is quite rare, however, heartbreaking, and you can only do your best to reduce risk.

BigPigLittlePig Sat 13-Apr-13 08:32:42

<weeps with actual joy>

<whispers>

7-3-7

<does crazy chicken dance>

Sorry to hear the flight path missed some of us.

<slips pass a tenner - same again tonight?> wink

BigPigLittlePig Sat 13-Apr-13 08:35:03

<also slips chunky a tenner which is likely to be more beneficial as she's the pilot fecking baby brain >

daisychain76 Sat 13-Apr-13 08:42:05

Morning all ~ suspect it feels like lunchtime for some with bad nights! H new pattern is 10.30, 2.30 and 6.30. Clarella have you read the no cry sleep solution. It suggests a pull off technique to break the association between sleep and bf. l am debating trying it but it does warn it can take over a week to work and l am so tired, can‘t face it at the moment.

Really pleased this week ~ bought 2 blue and pink nursing bras from M&s that are a bit Kath Kidston~ish and the height of style compared with my white grey ones that are on their 3rd baby.

Going to catch up now as sat on train on way to work. Ten lunch with DB and SIL to be (in 2 weeks!) so lots of wedding chat.

Elizadoesdolittle Sat 13-Apr-13 08:44:48

Morning all, sorry to hear of some extremely crap nights. I really don't know how some of you cope. I remember the fear of night time with DD1. I remember snapping one night and shouting to DH when he told me I should get ready for bed and I shouted something along the lines of whats the fucking point, I'm up half the night. I stopped thinking of night times as that and they were just day time extensions. It was a brief period though and DD1 has been a fantastic sleeper since she was 6 months so hopefully all yours are approaching that age they will be 2. I was dreading nights with E but she's been brilliant so am thankful for that every day.

Shes just woken. Can hear her screeching like a cat upstairs. That's her happy sound! Better go and get her. Hope everyone has a good day and here's a load of brew for those in need.

Donnadoon Sat 13-Apr-13 08:44:59

Thanks Chunky Thankyou everyone <waves to Daisy on the train>

ValiumQueen Sat 13-Apr-13 08:50:31

donna no need to apologise grin all is fair in love, and ending threads.

Lily311 Sat 13-Apr-13 09:00:33

fatima just ordered the koo-di pop up travel cot on tesco website. The lemon one is down to £35, the cheapest i have seen. They go for about £30 used on ebay.

ValiumQueen Sat 13-Apr-13 09:13:50

detective you could add carobel to water to help with the vomiting. Water is mildly acidic apparently.

PurplePidjin Sat 13-Apr-13 09:33:17

We're off oop north (well, relatively) to a car show. Not looking forward to the driving or getting R to sleep in the travel cot, but it'll be fab introducing him to friends we see rarely - this time last year i was trying to hide a lack of drinking and excessive tiredness!

Dixiebell Sat 13-Apr-13 09:44:28

clarella, yes to the morning poo! Serious wriggling if try to feed before its out. Also need to get a new nappy on quickly before first poo or else yellow mustard carnage ensues.

We're off to a tots' disco this morning. Ds1 loves it - proper disco with all birdie song, agadoo and bob the builder type stuff.

Sophiathesnowfairy Sat 13-Apr-13 09:44:31

Hair dyed. hmm

Wheaten bread made ( half already disappeared in the DS1, DH stampede to the kitchen. Have to say that is the greatest form of gratitude)

Special time sounds like a good plan stunt

Congratulations and commiserations for the nights to all.

Back off for nappy duty...............

Sophiathesnowfairy Sat 13-Apr-13 09:44:59

I want to go to a tos disco!

Passmethecrisps Sat 13-Apr-13 09:56:49

<bounces into thread>

Figure it makes P happy so why not?

When P is having her bottles VQ I make lots of 'mm-mm that is deeelishas! Yum yum!' Type chat. More for me than her actually. Glad he took plenty though and that he seems happy. Fingers crossed it continues.

donna everyone has said what needs to be said but I just wanted to say hello and that you are not alone. I took the decision to move P into her own room recently both for my own sanity and her safety. It has been very hard and I am sure that I have spent as much time peering into the cot that I have in my own bed. However, I am trying to hold on the the knowledge that such tragedies are rare, our babies are through the real danger period and I cannot live my life thinking 'what if?' It doesn't stop me doing so but I have a few things I run through in my mind when I am lying in bed. Helps a wee bit.

det I second the suggestion of some carobel in water. You could try in in different amounts to get the right consistency.

Can I borrow the quiche fish for a bit? I would like to gently bosh luis round the noggin. Good sir, you have your hands full and every post you write oozes care, compassion and patience. However, any post which has even a hint of weariness is followed by a self-depreciating apology. You are our night time support - please don't apologise for having a wee online sigh. I often think of you in the middle of the night and even though I don't use my phone when I can't sleep knowing that you and kirrin and other non-sleepers (baby caused or otherwise) are there is a very real comfort.

ChunkyChicken Sat 13-Apr-13 09:58:22

I want to go to a tots disco too!! smile

Not sure I want to go to a tos disco though Sophia wink

Passmethecrisps Sat 13-Apr-13 10:02:49

A tos disco sounds like something you might find in the back streets of Amsterdam with lots of mistacheoed men wearing tight vests. I quite fancy it.

Parents are visiting today. The house is a disgrace. P is asleep. I should be tidying. I am sitting under the cat watching Saturday kitchen. Ah well.

Passmethecrisps Sat 13-Apr-13 10:06:22

Oh! And P did a night with an arm out of her swaddle. I actually think she slept better than she has done swaddled. No requests for a dummy at all. I trapped naughty arm and let good arm go free with the scratch mit pulled over. I did move her from lying horizontal at the bottom of the cot a few times. Don't know if I need to move her but I do. We will do another few nights of this before moving to both arms.

Weird getting her dressed though - she had one lovely toasty arm and one chilly one!

ValiumQueen Sat 13-Apr-13 10:07:24

pass I did the whole 'mmm yummy' thing with a big false grin. I feel really bad for giving him something that tastes so yuck but that is not the issue is it? If it stops the problems then it is worth it. Today I am having a wobble thinking that it is reflux not CMPI. But I am following advice from the dietician, so I need to trust her. He has only had one bottle so far anyway. Need to give it time.

pass is also right luis you are a real asset to the quiche x

ValiumQueen Sat 13-Apr-13 10:08:50

And well done P on sleeping with one arm free! Clear progress!

Passmethecrisps Sat 13-Apr-13 10:12:21

vq my understanding is that one can cause the other in either order. The nutramigen is very easy to digest so is less likely to cause the stomach acid to bubble up. I have various wobbles including that there is nothing wrong with p and it was all just me over reacting. Why do we do that to ourselves? It's really weird.

You have the carobel which will hold the milk in his stomach and easy digest milk. Hopefully the combination should be good whatever the problem is.

I can hear p shuffling around in her cot upstairs. How come she is so happy to lie there alone after a snooze but not before?

Passmethecrisps Sat 13-Apr-13 10:13:32

Oh VQ I was delighted! I swear she slept better. I think she is outgrowing the want to be swaddled and was maybe waking herself up wriggling to get free.

ValiumQueen Sat 13-Apr-13 10:20:06

That is really helpful, thank you pass

Also, I would not worry about moving her around in the cot as you need your rest more. Is the cot still tilted? If so could she now tolerate it flat? That would help with the moving. J cannot yet roll but can turn himself around on the floor and pushes himself up with his feet. He can cover some distance!

Donnadoon Sat 13-Apr-13 10:29:55

Thank you too lovely pass

ChasingDaisy Sat 13-Apr-13 11:00:52

Goodness, so much to catch up on! Havent attempted to read the end of the last Fred yet, but a few things to say while I remember.

VQ you are the mama bear of the quiche and your kindness and compassion oozes out of your posts. Your children are so very lucky to have you as their mummy. Please do keep an eye on your own MH though.

Clarella yes to morning poos! He is very uncomfortable until he has been.

Luis what pass so eloquently said. You are a wonderful asset to the quiche and I really admire how you cope on so little sleep. Ditto kirrin and MM

Thanks kyz he has been feeding better this morning so am not too worried.

He didn't have a bad night considering. Bed at 7:30, woke at 11:30 but went back to sleep while he was being cuddled during the feed warming up and went back down until 1:40. Had a feed then woke again at 6:15, into bed and up at 7. So only one night feed. Good boy.

Izzybuzzybuzzybees Sat 13-Apr-13 11:03:17

vq I've heard that with the stinky formula that a drop or two ov vanilla essence can make it taste more like regular formula and help babies drink it more.

LuisGarcia Sat 13-Apr-13 11:17:05

Thank you.

kirrinIsland Sat 13-Apr-13 11:54:56

Well, I gave the formula and she immediately brought most of it back up? Reaction? Or just too used to snacking? Anyway, she's in her swing, I'm staying out of sight and she's grizzling. A few full on tears which make me want to go in but then she goes quiet for a bit. I hate this, and I really don't think it's going to work sad But if she can see me she wants me to hold her - it was much worse trying to get her to self settle with me in the room. Should I just give up for now?

ValiumQueen Sat 13-Apr-13 12:01:06

chasing thank you thanks

izzy I have heard that too, also nesquick and crusha milkshake stuff, but that sounds very bad for teeth and waistline. He seems to be taking it ok. Apparently taste buds change at 7 months, so after that babies refuse more often. He took 5oz on waking and 6oz just now. Better than yesterday on the LF stuff, and he seems very happy. Calm and settled, able to lie down. And has done two small poos too!

ValiumQueen Sat 13-Apr-13 12:18:35

kirrin she is probably just not used to having milk come so easily - a bit of a shock to the tummy. Maybe next time stop her every couple of ounces for a rest and a burp. Do not give up after one try, unless you want to. Do not let anyone pressure you into giving formula, or indeed not. Does she normally sleep in the swing? Is she still hungry as she lost most of the feed?

ValiumQueen Sat 13-Apr-13 12:23:28

With mine they cannot settle if I am in the room. Holding their hand or patting etc would lead to hysteria. The only time it works is if they are very unwell and need the reassurance.

J has gone down for his first nap of the day. Poo kept him awake I think. He swore at me when I put him in the cot, but I just kissed him, tucked him in, and left. He cried for about a minute max. He has been awake since 7.30.

ValiumQueen Sat 13-Apr-13 12:25:21

pass I laughed at the good arm/naughty arm grin

kirrinIsland Sat 13-Apr-13 12:38:15

VQ That is what happened when i first tried settling her with me in the room - hysteria. She is calmer without me there but after 20 minutes she showed no signs of actually sleeping. She only cried on and off though, but it started to build towards hysteria so i went and got her. when you first started leaving the room for J to self settle, how long did you leave him crying for? Or did he not cry? I want her to self settle not cry herself to sleep, but if I go back in then I am basically resetting her back to zero and we start all over again.
I will try giving a smaller feed next time, with lots of breaks. Thanks.

ValiumQueen Sat 13-Apr-13 12:45:14

Hmm... Apparently pear is the least acidic fruit. I reckon it was the baby rice I used to thicken it. It is dairy free, but can aggravate reflux apparently. See, there is the reason why it is good to introduce one for at a time (facepalm)

ValiumQueen Sat 13-Apr-13 12:52:45

kirrin it depends on the cry. There is the 'I need something and I am just gonna keep screaming until I get it' cry, and the 'I am tired and pissed off' cry. The first gets louder and louder with no breaks, the second has pauses. J has at times needed to be left for a while because I am having to deal with one of his sisters, like when they were both ill. Several times he settled himself before I got to him. It takes time to learn to self settle, but if he is not asleep within 20 mins I get him up again. It is possible to miss the window of sleep, like he did this morning. Of course they are all different. Just give it time for you both to learn what works for you x

ValiumQueen Sat 13-Apr-13 12:56:41

I go in every 5 mins or so to check there is no wind, pick up, wind and reassure, put down again. I am trying to resist offering boob due to the milk/reflux issues.

Izzybuzzybuzzybees Sat 13-Apr-13 12:56:57

J hasn't fed for 6hrs45mins!! Why can't he do that at night?!?!?!?!?!?!?

I'm away for a nap. Have night out tonight, 3 New dress and I can't bloody decide on what to wear!!!

StuntNun Sat 13-Apr-13 13:07:32

Kirrin Kellymom has good advice on bottle feeding a breastfed baby.

kirrinIsland Sat 13-Apr-13 13:14:57

Thanks for the link stunt - some good tips there.

And thanks VQ - I guess I'll just have to keep trying. This parenting lark is a mine field of guilt!

Sophia I bought the Raising Girls book but not read it yet. Is the boys one any good?i know the author got a bit of a flaming when he did a webchat on here a few months ago...

kirrin I have been told the problems and guilt get worse as they get older [cheerful emoticon] hmm

ValiumQueen Sat 13-Apr-13 13:43:58

izzy put pics on FB and we will help you pick an outfit.

Sophiathesnowfairy Sat 13-Apr-13 14:26:11

pr I also have the girls one but haven't looked at it yet.

I do feel a bit that MN generally flame anyone who decides to write about childcare. We have to remember there are many different opinions and ways of bringing up our children as there are different children. And indeed parents. Different methods/theories suit us all and different methods/ theories suit different children family units etc.

I do feel it is generally more conducive to a happier life to be a little open minded and less judgey pants. Accepting that we are all part of the tapestry is defo easier in the long run.

So read it and utilise it as you see fit. I quite liked the boys one. I like any childcare book I find it all very interesting.

Sophiathesnowfairy Sat 13-Apr-13 14:31:56

Sorry I am doing a lot of feeling there! grin

I think the reason for the flaming was that he was differentiating between boys and girls. I happen to think that there is a massive difference in the way boys and girls develop, so was quite surprised at the reaction of some on here. This was the thread if you're interested he said some pretty interesting things : www.mumsnet.com/Talk/mumsnet_live_events/a1659170-Live-webchat-with-Steve-Biddulph-about-Raising-Girls-Wednesday-16-January-9pm-to-10pm

I actually always wanted a son, but when I fell pregnant with LO wanted her to be a second daughter so that I wouldn't have to deal with raising both. I'm sure most people manage fine but parenting doesn't come naturally to me and in my early pregnancy hormonal state was convinced I'd fuck it up if I had to raise one of each. Which doesn't make sense now but very much did at the time.

Taht said, no regrets, am very happy havign two girls now they're here.

I only just started buying childcare books. Managed perfectly fine without for DD1 apart from my health and first aid book (useful when you have a toddler who is intent on hurling herself headfirst onto any available hard surface) but have really had my confidence knocked with the illnesses all winter. Which is also silly as the books aren't going to help with that but I guess I am flailing a bit and trying to grab onto something solid for support. And as so often when I have had bad times I am turning to books.

Took DD1 shopping this morning and she is knackered and having a long sleep. The wine market only opened at 2pm so will go after the nap sessions are done with. It is open til 10pm anyway, though won't go in the evening as it will be full of pissheads, and I get pretty uncomfortable around drunk people.

ChunkyChicken Sat 13-Apr-13 15:37:22

Not really caught up as off wi-fi, so hope this isn't insensitive.

Took the double/tandem buggy for a walk to the PIL (half of them anyway, DMIL & DSFIL) in the sun such as it was - did the 1.5miles in about 40mins, doing half of it at toddler-galloping-along-putting-Mummy's-heart-in-mouth-as-we-approach-a-road-then-stopping-dead-smack-bang-in-front-of-the-buggy speed, which was pleasant. Now both dc asleep & I have Bad Science (Ben Goldacre) on my Kindle, a brew and a hot cross bun to keep me company. Life can be v pleasant at times :-)

Kirrin self-settling. DS is v v good at it now. He grumps a bit at first but I find that if he might be over-tired, I give him a bit of a cuddle, take him up to his cot, put him down, give him the same comforter, say the same things & stroke his face & nose gently in the sane way, he settles quite quickly. He is a creature of habit, so maybe try doing the same calming things each time until she gets the habit?

horseylady Sat 13-Apr-13 16:08:30

lily what formula is lo on? Sma do sterile teats which can help. Also take more than you need!!! You can always wash out and cold water sterilise on the plane if needed.

vq glad j seems better.

Ds ate some bread yesterday and just chomped some dried. Apricot. He likes to feed himself!

ChunkyChicken Sat 13-Apr-13 16:30:25

PR haven't read the thread and although not am expert by any means, agree that often MNers act like there are no differences between boys & girls. I totally support the let girls be girls & de-specify toys according to "gender" campaigns - I am, after all, a true 'exception' to the rule that girls don't like lego & science hmm but I would also recognise that, v broadly speaking, girls & boys ARE different. If we recognise that, then we can then ensure that we don't parent them to fall into the stereotypes and allow them to develop as individuals. For example, A's tears flow v freely on the rare occassions he cries but E has never really cried much, as in wet tears. I have to embrace these differences and try not to tell A to 'man up' more than I tell E to do the same. I'm a great parent honest wink whilst encouraging them both to reach their potential. It would be interesting to read both books & compare (in a good way) bringing up DD & DS.

ChasingDaisy Sat 13-Apr-13 17:31:53

Thanks for the link PR, it made for interesting reading. I have his Raising Boys book on my Amazon wishlist.

O had his first taste of water from a sippy cup today. He managed to feed it to himself and has quickly got the hang of aiming the spout into his mouth. I only let him have a sip to get used to it but he looked very pleased with himself! He is fascinated by watching me drink and you could tell he relished the chance to do it himself. Will try it once a day to get him used to it before we start weaning.

MissMummy1 Sat 13-Apr-13 17:35:27

Sleepdust worked!!! 11-2! Then 3 -5! In her cot! ignores fact she then fed solidly from 5 till 8.30

kirrinIsland Sat 13-Apr-13 17:37:56

Thanks chunky I am making notes of everyone's advice and will keep trying until something works!

Love this quiche thanks

kirrinIsland Sat 13-Apr-13 17:39:04

Cross post mm - that's awesome grin

BigPigLittlePig Sat 13-Apr-13 18:15:51

Does Raising Girls explain how to manage a very highly strung 5 year old?

Nearly 5 month old has been impeccably behaved and napped like a trooper.

5 year old has tested the patience today though.

ValiumQueen Sat 13-Apr-13 18:34:10

Great news about sleep mm and bplp

Izzybuzzybuzzybees Sat 13-Apr-13 19:05:02

Right I decided what to wear. I have make up on and look ok if I do say so myself! On train now, so looking forward to this. A lovely meal out then a wee bit of dancing :-)

Mmmm. I am about to cook pork chops in white wine with apples, onion and garlic. Yum.

And some sausages to eat cold for our picnic tomorrow lunchtime.

Love love love the fact the sun has finally arrived and I have had three whole child illness free days.

Spent a fortune at the wine market. They have just delievred all the wine we bought blush as we couldn't carry it back with us.

Kids were good as gold, and are knackered from the walk to the chateau and back.

Lily311 Sat 13-Apr-13 19:40:33

Arghh, just lost my post.

I found these on amazon: www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B003YUC1FA/ref=oh_details_o05_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

I ordered them, will see if they are any good. I don't want to take 7 bottles with me, I have no space in my hand luggage for the bottles and for formula- it's budget airline and I don't get luggage allowance for O. I don't want to check the bottles in as afraid that luggage gets lost (happened to me before), I can't have O starving for 24 hours. So I think I will order the chillipeep too to be on the safe side and will take milton tablet and plastic bag with me too.

detective saw O turning, he is so cute. O is 20 weeks now and no signs of turning yet, she doesn't even move towards her side. I hope she will start soon.

Couldn't nap this aftnoon, had headache and couldn't fall asleep. Packed 3 boxes instead. Only like 100 to go.

ValiumQueen Sat 13-Apr-13 19:41:36

pr and izzy lovely smile so nice to hear of you having fun and feeling good.

VQ trust me it feels good to have actually done something today. The sun changes everything. Tomorrow after the picnic we're dusting off the high chair.

Even had a chat with the neighbours today.

Here everyone hibernates. Today some sun, and everyone was out enjoying it.

It is a long time since I have been as content as I am this evening.

YellowWellies Sat 13-Apr-13 19:51:18

Got sporadic internet from a BT WiFi hotspot somewhere near the new house. We're in. I love it! Jonas celebrated with only one night waking at 3am then slept in til 9 which really helped DH and I feel refreshed and ready for the unpacking. Then we had my family all pile over to help with unpacking so have got lots done (and there is enough space that 2x 3 year olds, 1 x 2 year old and the bear didn't get underfoot). I love this house so much. It's enormous but feels so friendly. I hope we're here for the long haul. IKEA tomorrow with a fuck off huge shopping list grin

ChasingDaisy Sat 13-Apr-13 19:55:04

PR you sound happy smile

Detective I just love your O. Such a cheeky little boy. Love the pics. O2 has started turning round now. When I leave him on the floor he swivels round to watch me wherever I go.

Really starting to feel like a proper mummy lately. O startled himself by banging his head on the floor and even though his dad was comforting him, he kept craning his neck round to find me and only mummy cuddles made it better. He used to be such a daddy's boy but I am starting to see that he loves his mama too smile

ChasingDaisy Sat 13-Apr-13 19:56:08

YW you sound happy too smile

BigPigLittlePig Sat 13-Apr-13 20:08:26

Ooh glad you're safely in YW - quite jealous of your impending Ikea trip. I know I would spend a fortune if I ventured up to Bristol. Doesn't help that they have a Mamas & Papas shop amongst other temptations.

Chasing it's a lovely feeling isn't it. This morning F was in her bumbo and couldn't see me. She looked a bit glum. Then she turned her head and clocked me standing there and got ridiculously excited to see me.

DH took both girls out, alone, for the first time ever. He hasn't even taken F out alone, so he was a bit nervous shitting his pants. They went to the shop to get some chocolate to make rice crispie cakes - apparently he was quite the middle aged lady magnet. F managed another 2 hour nap in her cot this morning; we have jabs this week though so watch it all go wrong!

ValiumQueen Sat 13-Apr-13 20:37:26

YW your post brought a tear to my eye. We have yet to find out forever (or at lease foreseeable future) home. We live in a new build box. Nice box, but not a home. Have fun in Ikea!

ValiumQueen Sat 13-Apr-13 20:40:44

I took all three to the park today for the first time on my own. I was standing pushing them on the swings thinking Fuck! I've got three kids! DD2 had to walk as DH has still not fixed the Mountain Buggy Twin (puncture) and the PnT is a bit snug under J as he is not quite upright yet. And he is not quite old enough to go under either. But he is too big for the double seat on the front too.

ValiumQueen Sat 13-Apr-13 20:42:59

J has had the special formula at each feed today and had between 4 and 6oz, so pretty much equal to amounts of LF over the last few days. I am getting used to the smell. The girls however think he smells funny, varying from pasta to broccoli to cheesy feet.

We don't live in our forever home either. And since I can no longer take out life insurance here we won't be able to buy til we leave France / Lux.

ChasingDaisy Sat 13-Apr-13 20:44:22

You know your life has gone to shit when you are looking forward to going to bed because dreams are so much better than the reality that is your life.

Apart from O of course. I love him so much I cant believe it.

Vq I regret not getting a buggy board. DD1 wants to walk, won't go inthe buggy but she sometimes gets tired and needs a hand.

Chasing flowers I really do know how that feels. It will pass, if you let it.

BigPigLittlePig Sat 13-Apr-13 20:48:27

wine chasing

I don't mean that in a bad way chasing . I know things are hard. But you're in a really strong position to change things. And once you realise that strength there will be no stopping you. That's a promise.

Passmethecrisps Sat 13-Apr-13 20:52:44

How weird would it be if miniwellies went to my school? Long time away, obviously! You sound very happy YW I am another who is still a while away from the forever home. When we moved into our current house someone at work asked me if it was our forever home. I actually snorted. New build, 2 bed on a regeneration estate. Have loved living here but having a baby changes your perspective - easy walking distance from the pub becomes less important.

I am so pleased for you PR. You deserve a lovely day more than most. I am jealous of the wine. And the food. And the sunshine.

You had a nice day too chunky! How nice that people are getting fresh air. Winter has been a long, dark tunnel.

How is J on his chip fat VQ?

Lovely day had in the crisp household. Granny and Grampa crisp came to visit. Granny crisp was a bit sad having buried her eldest sister on Tuesday so P was a very good girl and had lots of granny cuddles. They left just at bath time with p having been on the go for hours. Poor kitten was knackered. All tucked up in bed now. Well, apart from good arm. Naughty arm is safely tucked up.

Passmethecrisps Sat 13-Apr-13 20:55:45

Oh cross posted massively.

chasing wine and hug from me. Maybe see the dreams as a vision of how things can be in the future. Make them visualisations.

Passmethecrisps Sat 13-Apr-13 20:56:22

Sounds like J smells like a cheese and brocolli bake then VQ

ValiumQueen Sat 13-Apr-13 20:59:16

chasing ((((hug)))) this is just the beginning. It will get better!

pr would it be worth getting one now, even if it is just for a brief while? I cannot trust Boo to stay on a board. I was trying to get her to walk holding the buggy but the wheels stick out so far she kept almost getting caught in them. In the end I let her push the sodding thing. She did really well actually. Dopey DD1 walked into the buggy twice. I was so busy watching DD2, and I thought DD1 had more sense. Clearly not.

Not a single fart had come out of my baby today. Not a single moment of tummy ache. A bit of vomit, a few burps, three poos, one of which was not accompanied by red face. I think he may need some ranitadine to help cover the bf side of things. Stuck to the Gaviscon today as did not want to try two new things at once. No hiccups either! All in all pretty good smile

ValiumQueen Sat 13-Apr-13 21:02:37

pass if only grin the girls wanted a wee taste. They ran around the lounge with their tongues out screaming and wiping them with their hands grin

ValiumQueen Sat 13-Apr-13 21:03:58

<<you would think a teacher would be able to spell broccoli>>

BigPigLittlePig Sat 13-Apr-13 21:06:26

VQ I so hope this is the beginning of things improving for J - it's about time he started feeling a bit better, poor soul.

ValiumQueen Sat 13-Apr-13 21:08:57

Thank you bp I hope so. He is a very good little boy.

pass guess what J has started doing today? Bouncing! Must be the formula!

MsJupiterJones Sat 13-Apr-13 21:14:30

That's great VQ.

I'll maybe buy one when in the UK. We'd have to pay impprt fees here. Here everyone stays in buggy for a lot longer. We have a double baby toddler pram that some random gave us but no way will DD go near it.

When DD1 was born I commented to one of the bitchiest mws (sorry Detective mine were awful) that DD1 seemed to be a good baby. She answered 'All babies are good babies. Some just need more time than others to show us how good they can be."

Despite the fact she was so mean that when she entered my room after LO's birth 18 months later I had a panic attack and demanded a different one (long story but she was vile and it was a private clinic so could do that no not rich but Lux is special in that all mat wards are private) those words have always stayed with me at the hardest moments. All babies are good babies. Hard to believe right now but....

Passmethecrisps Sat 13-Apr-13 21:23:56

Lol @ bouncing J! p has started a trend!

I knew that spelling looked wrong. I blame spell checkers.

Thankfully I am a teacher of sex, drugs and rock and roll. Vegetables hardly ever come into it.

I should have shared that 5 months ago

Passmethecrisps Sat 13-Apr-13 21:28:56

It's a really lovely sentiment PR

kirrinIsland Sat 13-Apr-13 21:44:58

Sounds like some of you have had lovely days out and about smile
We went to the garden centre - hardly the most exciting place but it was chucking it down here so it was just nice to get a change of scene and I ate a scone as big as my head

House sounds fab YW Congratulations!

We are in our forever home - I love it smile although I never stop looking on right move

chasing I never know what to say to you as I can't even imagine what you are going through right now, but ((hugs)) and hang on in there. Things will get better.

N has just had 6oz of formula - slowly, and with lots of burping breaks - and is currently sparko on my shoulder. I am about to attempt my earliest ever transfer. Please wish me luck?!

ValiumQueen Sat 13-Apr-13 21:48:36

Good luck kirrin

kirrin I never stop looking on Rightmove and I'm not even in the UK. I'm a property porn addict.

Yes pass it's lovely but am still gutted that it was the worst midwife that imparted tgat little gem. The others were lovely but it is that one conversation that sticks with me. She also told me all the reasons I wasn't cut out to be a mum. 12 hours after my emcs

Passmethecrisps Sat 13-Apr-13 21:58:06

Well. The sun shines on a dog's ass some days PR. She is obviously a fucking bint who had a moment.

MissMummy1 Sat 13-Apr-13 22:04:16

I wish this house could be our forever home. Fortunately/unforunately our landlord never wants to sell. And we could never afford it. As a trained architect DP wants to build our forever home.

I need a quiche slap. DP gave M her first taste of formula tonight. She has been feeding solidly all afternoon and I am knackered. I felt like such a failure, I criedsad YW the offer of borrowing my manchild and the estate car tomorrow still stands smile

We did have a lovely morning with a stroll through the woods then out along a causeway to one of the islands. The total muppets that we are though (one professional sailor and one ex-racing helm/RNLI volunteer...) didnt read the tide table properly and nearly got stranded. blush

Chasing I have been there. Dreams eventually become reality if you wait long enough xx

Sleepdust to all. Can I stay on the flight route please?

BigPigLittlePig Sat 13-Apr-13 22:04:37

Pass grin

I forget who it was who said about SIDS, but I've been getting more and more panicked about that lately too. Completely irrational I know, but every night when I put her down in her crib I have this awful fleeting thought, of "is this the last time I'll cuddle her". Thinking about it now is making me panic. And much as I love her long morning naps, anything beyond about 90 minutes and I'm up there checking she's still breathing. Am I being normal or weird? Tell me this gets easier?!

MissMummy1 Sat 13-Apr-13 22:05:22

Dont know why my wee message to yw slotted in mid post?!

<snorts sleepy dust>

<slaps mm1 >

<missed due to overdose of dust. Gives her a second slap to be sure>

grin

ValiumQueen Sat 13-Apr-13 22:16:50

pass grin

bp perfectly normal my dear ((hug)) I would like to say it gets easier, but I do not like to tell untruths. Talking to friends with teenagers, that is waaay worse! At least we know where they are at this age! The reason we feel like this is we have never felt a love like this before, and the little one we love is utterly dependent on us. And very small. And we live in a horrible world. And we are tired. And we are in a baby bubble. And we are not getting enough sex. Or alcohol. And we are tired. Perfectly normal.

mm you are not a failure. You have done amazingly and will probably continue to feed her for a year or so. One bottle of formula is not going to do any harm at all. I am hoping it was your decision to give it?

pig I think the problem with you medical folk is how much you know can go wrong. It's normal to worry though but SIDS is rarer and rarer now.

kirrinIsland Sat 13-Apr-13 22:22:02

<slap> mm - we've done formula for the first time today too. I feel guilty - although the fact that she has been asleep in her cot since 21.45 is helping me feel better.

bplp I can identify with that - and it's not just SIDS either. I imagine all sorts of awful things happening to them, it's horrible. There was a thread about it a little while ago and it seems it pretty common.

kirrinIsland Sat 13-Apr-13 22:23:54

The worrying is common, not the SIDS.

Passmethecrisps Sat 13-Apr-13 22:25:15

Well! Went up to get P for meds and noms to find her lying curled up on her side propped up with good arm. Arm freed not a minute too soon it would appear.

All propping up of mattress gone and both arms out.

Wish me luck quiche!

Dixiebell Sat 13-Apr-13 22:32:57

bplp, everyone thinks it, that's ok, but then dismiss it from your mind, and think lovely happy thoughts instead.

I ummed and ahhed over getting a buggy board but it is one of my best kiddie purchases. Ds1 is 2.5, and I can't imagine him sitting in a buggy at all now. He's 50/50 with wanting to walk or stand on the board. When I'm in a hurry I bribe him with snacks placed on the pram cover so he'll stand there eating them.

Tots' disco was fun. Actually DH usually takes ds1 while I head off for a wander round shops with Ted. So satisfaction all round. Glad there are so many fans of disco party classics out there!

MissMummy1 Sat 13-Apr-13 22:35:10

Yes VQ I told him to do it. sad

Kirrin amazingly she has been asleep in her cot since 9.45 too shock

Elizadoesdolittle Sat 13-Apr-13 22:37:20

Ah some lovely happy posts.

yw congratulations and I'm glad the move went well.

I'm waiting to exchange contracts on what should be our forever home. Unless we win the euro millions and it could be our 2nd home for when we visit relatives! I'm addicted to rightmove too. Love looking at houses. I'm a nosey bint.

bplp oh that's so sad. I don't really know what to say but just wanted to acknowledge what you said. It's hard being a mummy, such a mixture of emotions,

pass I love that comment about the sun shining on a dogs arse, really made me giggle.

vq so glad things are going well for you and j. Long may it continue.

pr sounds like a lovely day. Enjoy the wine.

Gosh there were so many people I wanted to reply too but can't remember what I wanted to say.

Had a fairly good day today. Went on a nature trail with my girls and the in laws. E pulled her tube out just before dinner so had to go to hospital yet again. She's doing it twice a week pretty much. But I did have a chance to give her a lovely bath before I took her to get it re passed. She loves baths but I'm so paranoid about the plaster getting wet that she doesn't have them very often. I've said the next time she pulls it out during the day I will drop everything and take her swimming. She'd love it but I can't take her whilst she has the tube. Makes me sad.

Good night all, hope the sleep dust reaches those in desperate need, particularly luis I think you're long overdue a good night.

TheDetective Sat 13-Apr-13 23:10:43

Are you tired perchance VQ? grin

I'm pissed off about my pram. Found loads of scratches on it. Why do I have to be so damn fussy? This is why I went through 11 of the fuckers with DS1. Can't stand muck and damage on them. confused

Is there anywhere that can repair prams? I suppose getting scratches out of metal and plastic is, um, impossible. <Gives up idea>.

If O thinks he is getting up for 2 feeds again tonight, he's got another thing coming. I wish, if he doesn't get fed he just won't sleep, so what's the frickin' point!.

My arse hurts. More than usual. Had a look. It is red raw. Why? Dp forgot toilet roll. Had to use babywipes.

shock shock shock Fucking hell, if they did that to mine.....?! How the fuck does a baby not have a raw arse all the time?!

TheDetective Sat 13-Apr-13 23:13:50

I had a nap this afternoon. A 2 hour nap. I could get used to naps.

grin

I've been trying to get information about weaning with reflux/intolerance. Not a lot of fact out there, is there?! hmm I wanted to get prepared, as we are 6 weeks away, and that will go quickly. I was planning on starting preparations in 2 weeks for freezing etc.

VQ Thanks for the idea for putting in the water. What is it?! grin

TheDetective Sat 13-Apr-13 23:16:55

I have to leave O next saturday - from 7.45 - 5.45.

Dreading it. He will be with MIL. So he is fairly used to her. And I know he will be looked after. But he has only been without me or DP once before, and that was for 2 hours when we went to the cinema.

10 hours is a fucking long time for a tiny baby!

I need to do 35 hours of study by the end of may, for my registration. Well, I'm short on hours thanks to my SOM saying some of my study doesn't count. Even though the NMC says it does. Long story.

Anyway, the study day is in my town, and only cost £20, so would be stupid not to go. But I have the wobblies!! Any reassurance?!

Clarella Sat 13-Apr-13 23:37:16

(wrote this post this morning - oops!) oh bplp fabulous news on the sleep!!!!

I just want to say how much I admire you parents who are battling with plus one child. plus problems such as reflux etc and crap nhs and can write such wonderful supportive posts here. vq, Luis and so many more of you.

have a fab weekend pidj!

yes to ncss - thing is suddenly I can't stop him nodding off! I do try plus he's rarely feeding to sleep at bed time now. also, I recently read research that says the fluttering sleepy sucks trigger a hormone to help them sleep... confused

after my melt down last wkend (actually in part triggered by books on such things) I've resolved to approach it all in the way I would at work - and a lot of stunts stuff is what I feel. personally I see stress free bedtime for him as better in the long run than a battle. and our 'plan' of settling him with a hand hold has worked a lot this week. it's the bastard. antibiotics giving him tummy pains (as listed as a side effect) and I now have found out he'll be on them for around 3 months angry

dh quotes today: formula is the natural follow on. me: <glare>
ok formula is the normal follow on. <double glare>
(Later) dh: <nervously> 'do you think he has elements of ginger?'

Clarella Sat 13-Apr-13 23:54:58

I'm so glad many of you had good days. sun really does help pr!

glad move went well yw! dh also an architect wants to one day build his dream house though the reality is forever living on a building site

chasing I remember feeling like that only too well. very soon I'm sure you will feel the same in life as you do in dreams with your lovely little baby. huge hugs.

small rant:
I'm getting a bit sad about dhs attitude towards our only 4 month old baby. he's been 'on watch' since 9 while I kipped in spare room and I was woken by inconsolable yells. unfortunately the thrush is flaring again so I had to wash the cream off which took longer. dh was trying unsuccessfully to calm G - basically he was hungry and even I was surprised by the level of screaming - but dh handed him to me with an attitude of disdain 'this is just temper' etc sad as if our baby shouldn't be doing it.

I know it's basically that he's cross he couldn't help but also I feel he's interpreting baby behaviour as if G is so much older. he's constantly saying things like 'man up g', which I know he wouldn't say if G were s girl. but then bangs on about the importance of making g feel secure. not sure how to get him to be more compassionate or have more patience. cos he's bloody going to need it.

Clarella Sun 14-Apr-13 00:01:46

bplp I too have felt like that about sids and I think it's a very common feeling. we're given so many warnings about it constantly it feels paralysing sometimes.

yes detective - they just say it can make reflux worse but no advice otherwise - generally anything to do with reflux seems to be pretty shit huh?!

hoping you're all asleep. feeling despondent our little one will ever sleep well. it feels like a horrid weight on our heads when we talk to people. there's so many cio people out there.

Clarella Sun 14-Apr-13 00:12:11

on the other hand lo had a great time testing jumperoos in mother care grin (not getting one but might pop there for a treat from time ti time!)

did get a high chair and he was so obviously delighted to be sitting up! he hates the bumbo as its too upright so it's meaning lots of mum and dad propping. the quicker he's actively moving etc the better.

do they sleep better when they start travelling? <stares pleadingly at quiche>

hoping the tummy has settled on these antibiotics - much thicker poo midday today! (he slept his best when poos were midday!) <clutches at straws>

fuck I forgot the meds. who the hell makes medicine for a baby aniseed flavour? hmm

itsnotyouitsMeals Sun 14-Apr-13 00:51:17

Struggling to keep up but just wanted to send sleep to those who need it, comfort to those who seek it and love to all the beautiful LOs. I would love to post more but can't seem to manage at the moment

A few mentions I can remember.... yw happy new home, clarella we never did CIO with DD1 and she slept eventually , donna bplp I have come to think fear is part of parenthood. You love them so much it tears you up thinking anything might happen. But it's rare and we must try to enjoy them.

It would have been my SIL's 48 birthday today. She died 6 years ago. I have been thinking of my PILs and her four girls and of course DH today.

In other news, we are living in the 1940s house. No heat, hot water, car or Hoover (run out of bags). Fun!

Sleep well all. Fingers crossed for mm luis kirrin clarella bplp and all others with sleep dodgers.

Oh and det could someone bring O to you at lunchtime for an hour? Or would that be worse?

pr I love our buggy board.

Clarella Sun 14-Apr-13 01:18:05

2 hourly - like clockwork! still a cuddle not bood did it

oh that's so sad istnot. hugs to you and your family.

1940s house?! is that like the one on the tv?

kirrinIsland Sun 14-Apr-13 02:43:51

sad meals Thats very sad.

Thank you for the sleep dust and sleepy wishes thanks She slept from 21.45 - 02.15 grin

Lily311 Sun 14-Apr-13 06:53:09

I am pretty sure that the sleepy dust plane is faulty. It steals from adults to give them to kids therefore neither get enough sleep.

O did 6.45-12.20-4.00-6.30. I did 10-12.20 than pretty much up all night. Yawn.

Clarella Sun 14-Apr-13 07:07:16

is the flight path sort for newcastle?! we went from bad to worse. been 5 weeks since we got a stretch of 4-5 hours in one go. I cant believe I used to complain about those first 4 hours! had to have him in with me for a few hours. argh!

Looks like actually snorting the dust worked. Great night here. Once up and dressed will be going off for a walk and picnic. Have a lovely day everyone smile

Passmethecrisps Sun 14-Apr-13 07:57:39

Morning.

Can we get a hi-5 for little miss P who slept all night with both arms out? Didn't start brilliantly with various dummy requests until about 1. Then all fine. She woke up at 7 singing.

Hoorah

Raining here.

MadamGazelleIsMyMum Sun 14-Apr-13 08:30:24

Morning. Sleepy dust in abundance here, 1830 - 0630 with no night waking wanting to play. Before I am banished from the quiche, I will say that I was up and down all bloody night feeling like I was going to puke but don't feel sorry for me as this was entirely down to the enormous dominos I scoffed last night, including the last 2 pieces when I was already completely stuffed

YW congrats on your home, hope you will all be very happy there.

VQ we have a P&Ts and DS is much, much too long for the cocoon and isn't sitting well. We just bung him in the front, and stick the second seat on the back for DD if she decides she wants to go in the chair. Added bonus that if she's in and out a lot pushchair hokey-cokey we don't have to keep buggering about moving DS.

meals how sad. Also interesting about buggy boards. I have one which MiL bought from a car boot. Just need to get straps. Haven't bothered so far but when we went to IKEA, DD liked to ride the cart thing [bad parent emoticon] so maybe it would be worthwhile.

detective it will be fine, leaving O. He will be absolutely fine. He will be with someone you trust, he will be well looked after, and will be delighted to see you. It isn't the same as being with you, but it is good for them to be looked after by other people too. Plus good for you to have a baby free day. I felt exactly like this when I did my first KIT day, but it was fine, DS survived and the break from him was good for me too. It's ok to enjoy time away.

BPLP and donna completely normal to think about. Not dwell though. Hugs.

Weather crap here. Think we'll bus into town (DD fucking loves the bus), have a potter, get a second mortgage for new shoes for DD.

ValiumQueen Sun 14-Apr-13 08:40:10

clarella I agree about tastes of meds for kids. I think it is all to do with guidance about sugar and flavourings. In hospital apparently they can give meds with sugar in, to make treatment easier I guess. The formula J is now on is vile. Considering it is often given to babies who could do with gaining weight, you would think it would make sense to make it more palatable.

detective not too tired today as J slept 11 hours. The Carobel is via dietician. Not sure you can buy it. Made by cow and gate. pass has it for P and recommended it as less constipating.

pass well done!

pr glad you had a good night. Look forward to hearing about your day.

Hugs to all tired mummies and daddies x

ValiumQueen Sun 14-Apr-13 08:56:27

madam we put DS in the front but DD then has her nose pressed against the underneath of the seat. She is a bit too big to go under especially when main seat not fully upright. I tried J with it fully upright yesterday but it just looked wrong.

itsnotyouitsMeals Sun 14-Apr-13 08:58:05

Thanks for thoughts re SIL. We talk about her a lot and DD1 knows all about her aunty, even if she's not here.

Worst. Night. Ever for us. Can't bear to say more. Happy for those with good nights though. When does four month sleep regression end, please remind me?!

1940s house as boiler broken so washing is heating water in the kettle and then flannels in a basin and heat is the fire! No car either...

Have a lovely day those with outings planned pr madam and everyone else too.

No luis overnight? Maybe he had some sleep. Fingers crossed.

kirrinIsland Sun 14-Apr-13 09:16:58

Hi-5 little miss p :-)

madame we do that with the PnT as well. Dd1 is a short though and the novelty factor has won her over!

N was awesome last night. She's a long way from sleeping through but it was nice to have more sleep than wakings.

MissMummy1 Sun 14-Apr-13 09:45:47

Remember the bugaboo I bought for £80? I have just sold the buggy board it came with on eBay for £40!! grin

StuntNun Sun 14-Apr-13 09:52:25

Mornin' all. I've been leaving my phone downstairs overnight so I won't be tempted to MN use it as I suspect it's interfering with my sleep. J has been a bit rubbish the last couple of nights. He's going from his dream feed to morning without food but wakes a few times and needs help to get back to sleep. And he was wideawake at 5 for no obvious reason. His daytime naps are the same, I have to resettle him every 45 minutes. Any tips on how to get him to stay asleep? I'm thinking about losing the dummy as getting up to put it back in ten thousand times a night is wearing a bit thin.

BigPigLittlePig Sun 14-Apr-13 09:53:29

Meals the day F became closer to 5 months than 4, she slept better. This also coincided with getting ranitidine into her though so may be more than just coincidence...

F was up twice last night, 3 and 5. I suspect the 5 o clock waking was for wind rather than a feed though. We need to get a black out blind for our room too, as the sun streaming through the cream curtains doesn't help matters. Dsd sashayed into our room in party clobber at 7am, so I told dh that he was on kid duty this morning, and got a doze until 8.15. F did a spectacular poonami for her daddy, and the shrieks of horror from both dsd and dh woke me up - and I had to get up and giggle at them.

MM excellent wheeling & dealing
Madam lol at pizza overdose
Detective dh is a bit precious about our pram too. He gets the wet wipes out to clean off the mud after every outing grin

BigPigLittlePig Sun 14-Apr-13 09:56:22

Stunt no bright ideas, sorry. But I know my parents went cold turkey with my brothers dummy when he was 8 weeks old for the same reasons. Apparently the fall out didn't last too long [terrified sleep deprivation emoticon]

GTbaby Sun 14-Apr-13 10:51:40

Been hiding as both DH n I have been sick (again) this time runny nose n cough. He is actually alot worse. On antibiotics shock. But now LO is snotty n has a lil cough as well hmm

Hope he feels better soon. He is 6months today! N it's my sisters bday celebration today (postponed from when we were in India as she refused to cut a cake with out her nephew awww)
Better pop to chemist n get nose drops confused

Hugs to all. Although quick skim seems to show a few more better sleeps. But hugs to those who the plane missed. X

Sophiathesnowfairy Sun 14-Apr-13 10:51:47

stunt have you seen the slumber bear? You put the dummy in it's hands, or something and they can put it back themselves. I never used it as I don't use dummies but I have few friends who swear by them. Not sure at what Age they started using it mind. Xx

ValiumQueen Sun 14-Apr-13 11:02:16

Has anyone got a Leap Frog Learn and Groove? There is one local I am thinking of getting with my winnings.

Passmethecrisps Sun 14-Apr-13 11:08:30

I think we do. Hang on until I check.

MsJupiterJones Sun 14-Apr-13 11:08:54

I really want one VQ! I've bid on a few but unsuccessfully. Think they look brilliant fun (plus DH is a bedroom DJ so it would be quite appropriate).

Brockle Sun 14-Apr-13 11:09:20

yes vq , one of the best things I bought with ds1.

hello all. missed last thread so making an effort on this one. Y wakes once usually but likes 6am cuddled. hmm...

swopping from crib to cot today. fingers crossed.

never used the reusables I wad given. would anyone be interested if I put them on FB page?

Passmethecrisps Sun 14-Apr-13 11:10:48

Yup VQ. You want? That's the thing we were given by a neighbour. The microphone doesn't work but everything else does.

kirrinIsland Sun 14-Apr-13 11:30:03

DD1 has one of those dummy holder teddies - it was a god-send! But she didn't get it til she was about 12 months by which time she was an expert at putting her own dummy in. I guess it won't work until they can reliably do that and make the connection between the Teddy and the dummy - that took a few nights. TBH though, I wish I'd just got rid of the dummy!

mm that's made a brilliant bargain even more brilliant smile

Hope you're all feeling better soon GT

Passmethecrisps Sun 14-Apr-13 11:36:16

Funny, DH brought up getting rid of the dummy recently. I'm not going to worry about that for a long time. The way I see it is that there is a fair likelihood that p would wake and need something even if it wasn't the dummy. At the moment she wakes once or twice with a very tired whimper. The dummy sends her back to sleep immediately so I am up for seconds. I would worry that she would need more settling without one. If I was up more often then I might think differently.

Sophiathesnowfairy Sun 14-Apr-13 12:04:17

We have a Learn and Groove is ace.

Pikz Sun 14-Apr-13 12:19:40

<collapses with tiredness on Fred floor>

BigPigLittlePig Sun 14-Apr-13 12:21:33

<scrapes pikz off floor>

<sneaks pilot another tenner to ensure flight path includes Pikz Manor>

Passmethecrisps Sun 14-Apr-13 12:23:09

<hands back tenner from BP yesterday to add to the pikz fund>

BigPigLittlePig Sun 14-Apr-13 12:26:23

Ah yes.
Thanks pass blush

ValiumQueen Sun 14-Apr-13 12:29:17

Yes please pass I think the microphone not working would be an advantage tbh. smile

Passmethecrisps Sun 14-Apr-13 12:37:45

All yours VQ. It's in really good condition actually. We weren't quite sure what to do with it - bit too stationary for P. when would you like it? What winnings by the way?

MsJupiterJones Sun 14-Apr-13 12:49:51

Yes I wondered that - did you win the Lottery VQ?

TheDetective Sun 14-Apr-13 13:04:56

Can I grump? Please?

2 and 6 AGAIN. angry

The 6am wake up was soothed without a feed, but ended in my bed despite not doing that for the last week.

Grump grump grump. 1 step forward, 100 steps backwards. Fuck me.

Oh, and to piss me off further, DP snored so badly last night, I was still awake at the 2am wake up, so I told him to get up. He said to me 'oh, so it's me getting up again is it' (he did last night). Well, that was a red rag to a bull, and I screamed at him something incomprehensible about the fucking fact I'd fucking been the fuck awake all fucking night because of his fucking snoring and I'd fucking well told him to move to the fucking sofa and he fucking well hadn't so yes, it fucking well is your fucking turn again. blush

He went on the sofa after that.

The only thing that stopped me getting the moses basket off the wardrobe and sticking O in it downstairs with him was the fact O would be woken by the brightness as our living room just has flimsy blinds, no curtains to close. And I didn't want the fall out from him waking at 5.30 for the day!

GRRRRR!

Feel better now!

kirrinIsland Sun 14-Apr-13 13:06:48

I think I have bought sleepy powder instead of formula!? N is asleep in her cot and has been for over an hour. She has never napped in her cot before. I look like this -> grin

kirrinIsland Sun 14-Apr-13 13:10:17

Oops - unfortunate cross post there detective sorry blush

MadamGazelleIsMyMum Sun 14-Apr-13 13:36:46

Rant alert! Went to Clarks to get DD's feet measured. She has been the same size since September last year. Shoes still roomy in my opinion but because it was been so long in the same size, I take her reasonably regularly to check. Last time was 3 weeks ago. They measured her larger but when I pinched the end they were forced to agree the was around 1.5cm and so the shoes were fine. Took her today. She measured exactly what she is wearing. Bonus, second mortgage not required. However, as we were leaving the shop, overheard the assistant say to her colleague hat she should have measured the feet larger, presumably to get a sale. Fucking cowboys.

22 degrees here. Had a picnic in a German forest and just got back. Girls asleep, have the shutters and windows all wide open and my usually silent little street is alive with kids shouting and playing, the sound of people outside and the smell of barbecues. We can breathe again.

Going to spend the afternoon doing my beef pie for tonight (one last one before summer) and then hosing down the high chair ready for LO, cleaning the garden furniture.

In a few weeks when the temp goes up into the high 20s I will be whining that my house is too hot and the fans are getting on my nerves and the noise of the children playing in the street is getting on my tits, but hey, a few weeks of just right is very very welcome smile

MadamGazelleIsMyMum Sun 14-Apr-13 13:43:15

PR'envy that is all

But we might have a summer like last year. Nice April, rubbish May to September except for the three days in August when we moved house when it was 30+ angry which was shite when 7 months pregnant. Then a few hot days late October just after LO was born. So don't be too envy yet grin

Pikz Sun 14-Apr-13 14:26:54

And a two hour nap was just what doctor ordered. Thank you DP.

What did you win VQ?

PR envy

Thank you for picking me up and dusting me off thanks

Clarella Sun 14-Apr-13 15:29:08

ah meals that sort of house! yep had that whole pregnancy!

George just self settled on sofa!!! was doing the whole distracted/ teething latch on latch off which with thrush inflamed nipples has driven me so close to formula again today, even my mum said what about a 'normal' bottle hmm she did feed me to 2 1/2 though and I just dumped him to put the cream on and he dozed off! not done since newborn!

did you win somat vq?

is this 4 mo sleep regression actually real or just that some are shit at sleeping?

<sigh> been working out return to work stuff. am asking for 3 days a week. but also cheekily putting return date in summer hols - basically smp runs out on 5th august. I could be really cheeky and ask for 22nd July. what do teaching quichettes think?

stunt we've had 45 min thing for some time. following your nap by any means I've camped out next to him doing my makeup and hand held as he stirred to knock him into next cycle. or walked a bit longer in pram if a 45 min bit coming up. sometimes it's worked sometimes not.

LOoff her food again. Had gone up to 20oz or so late last week but today is only at 8 so far again. Coinciding with stopping amoxycillin.

sad

Doesn't seem ill. Seems hungry but won't eat.

TheDetective Sun 14-Apr-13 16:34:55

PR On Friday O took 41oz (yes, I nearly fainted) over 7 bottles hmm

Today, 10oz so far.... confused

Contrary little fuckers is the only thing I can suggest? If she seems ok? Where are you up to with solids? Is she taking those? Or are you having a break?

Donnadoon Sun 14-Apr-13 16:36:27

Just a quickie to thank meals and madame for the hugs
All good here will post again later
love to the whole quiche xx

TheDetective Sun 14-Apr-13 16:39:01

I'd ask for 22nd July Clarella no questions!

Talking of returning to work, I am now 100% not going back on the 28th of this month. It is 2 weeks away. It just isn't happening.

So, my question is this: When do I tell work? My first shift back is 2nd May. It just so happens this was my return date to work last year after hyperemesis. So I would like to avoid sickness (even though the other was pregnancy related) being in 1 rolling year, if you see what I mean. So, do I just ring up on the 2nd, and say, sorry, not coming in. Then go and get a GP's note the following week?

Or do I let them know this week? Next week? Do I get a GP's note to cover from first days sickness? I'm not sure.

Help!! What would be the best course of action?

I was initially planning on asking for 1 months note from GP. Pointless doing it weekly or two weekly, as that will make eff all difference, and the first time I think I'm ready to go back, I'll be banging on the GP's door for a fit note!

ChasingDaisy Sun 14-Apr-13 16:40:46

Just 9oz here today PR

TheDetective Sun 14-Apr-13 16:43:47

Donna You have jut reminded me - I wanted to post this to you the other day, but my forgetful mind, well, forgot.

When I took O to A&E over the whole reflux thing, I popped up to work to see my colleagues because it was evening and no fucking managers about! and we were chatting about sleep etc. And I said how O had slept through the night once, but I woke up in a panic, and went running in to his room to poke him check on him.

Every one of my colleagues said they had done the same on so many occasions. If they sleep longer than expected, they are in there checking. One even said she refused to go in the room, and made her husband go in, because she was so convinced something had happened.

What I'm trying to say is, I think it is normal. I know I worry about it. I worry that DP won't put him down safely lost count of the amount of bibs or muslin cloths I have found round his neck, the dickhead I worry that he will do all kinds of unlikely things. Every time I go in his room while he is sleeping, I worry.

But if you feel it is taking over how you feel all the time, it is definitely worth speaking to someone about it. Pregnancy, and new babies bring out the anxieties in us. Hormones - the fuckers eh?

smile

ValiumQueen Sun 14-Apr-13 16:51:46

Not caught up properly, but my 'winnings' are sales of baby stuff. I now have a few pennies that I can spend on whatever I want :-) as I bought all the baby stuff myself originally.

madam in Clarks they always ask what size the kid is wearing already which makes me suspicious. I make a point of taking them in wearing something non-Clarks and then buy 1/2 size bigger than they say or buy off EBay

We'e still on a break from solids. I wanted her tummy to settle again after having the antibiotics and just want her to be generally feeling better before I go down that road again. I just want her to drink her sodding milk. It is warm today and I am worried about dehydration. She won't drink any water either.

Interestingly I had a conevrsation with some neighhbours yesterday. They have two children and have had the same selection of illnesses we have had right down to pneumonia. Sme seriously nasty bugs doing the rounds this winter.

MadamGazelleIsMyMum Sun 14-Apr-13 17:13:11

VQ that's interesting. I took her in wearing her Clarks shoes. They didnt ask what size they were. I asked her to check the fit. She said she thought we were ok but she'd measure feet to be sure. Measured the feet. Said the size. I said fantastic, that's what she's wearing. Assistant clearly looked put out by this. I took DD up the stairs. DH had the buggy but hadn't been next to us when the measuring occurred. He took DS in the life and overheard the convo. Am now massively unlikely to trust Clarks again.

Sophiathesnowfairy Sun 14-Apr-13 17:47:03

I don't do Clarksville anymore. I do start right. We have gone from the girls needing a new pair of shoes and trainers every term to them being in the same ones since last Sept. they are a bit more expense but not much and it has paid off and saved us loads in the long run. I also think they have their own measuring regime.

envy pr is all.

TheDetective Sun 14-Apr-13 17:59:07

Well done on the selling stuff VQ!

I am currently planning for the next sproglet hmm. Am trying to work out just where on earth the baby stuff is going to be stored in the interim. And how to fit another baby in!

The boys will swap rooms, when O has too many toys and stuff! DS1 as a teen will not need all that space! I'm anticipating around the 2nd birthday mark!

I would then get the bigger room completely redecorated, but due to a stupid fucking chimney breast it makes the room a pain in the ass to fit furniture in. Been scouring Ikea for inspiration. I'm not sure why I can't just live for the moment. Forever fucking planning. I really need to stop!

But I still wonder where on earth the baby stuff will go. And I've made a budgeting list for the new things we will need next time, and the costs of making room adjustments and saving for maternity leave. Anal? Me? Never!

Brockle Sun 14-Apr-13 18:05:06

the clarks outlet at cheshire oaks is a godsend. they are about a third or more cheaper. will be a. it more wary about them now.

need to tell work i will be back at the end of June but want a three week holiday at end of July smile finally sorted a trip to see DH's family in. the middle east. well its sorted in our heads just not sorted the extortionate flights yet. three kids on a plane for five hours.yay!

ChasingDaisy Sun 14-Apr-13 18:46:47

Gah rubbish day.

O has been upset all day. Think a combo of no poo for two days and teething. Brave little thing still manages smiles and giggles though. Another day of not eating much.

I broke down in tears earlier. Had been feeling strong but apparently I am not. Feel like a shit mother. Feel weak. Feel isolated. Feel guilty. Feel like I am not capable of being in a healthy relationship. Feel like there is no way out. Feel scared.
Feel sorry for myself basically and will fuck off now.

Passmethecrisps Sun 14-Apr-13 18:53:56

Don't you dare fuck off daisy. We all have days like that at the best of times so you can be forgiven emotional wobbles. You are not a shit mother. I am not surprised you feel isolated and you have been conditioned to believe that you cannot do better than the relationship you had. This is not true. Take each day as it comes. Minute by minute if you need to.

Lily311 Sun 14-Apr-13 18:54:09

Don't fuck off chasing. You are not a rubbish mother and you are strong. We are here, keep talking.

We have had a really good day, went to central London and took some cute pictures of O with all the sightings. My brother came with us too, i even managed to get some shopping done. Though I was mortified of what I saw in the mirror. Diet starts tomorrow. Popped into apple shop to ask to fix my ipad, the home button doesn't always respond. Apparently they will give me a brand new ipad when i take this in. One happy lady here.

Passmethecrisps Sun 14-Apr-13 18:57:01

clarella why would you do it any other way? I plan to go back for the new term in August which is called my 'back to school' day. I go back on payroll in June. This is the norm where the timings work - HR suggest it if you don't. Every job has its pros and cons - this is a pro. Take it!

Passmethecrisps Sun 14-Apr-13 18:59:43

That's great about the iPad lilly. Although these things are expensive and should work so I suppose a replacement is only fair. I hate those caught by surprise in the mirror moments as well. In my head I am still 27 and a lot slimmer. I get quite a surprise when I see someone almost 8 years older, grey hair and a stone and a half more flab. The baby in a pushchair is always quite a surprise as well!

PurplePidjin Sun 14-Apr-13 20:04:44

I'll try and catch up later. Had an amazing weekend at Santa Pod. Dp got back on the mic (he commentates on the racing) and is bouncing with restored confidence. R spent the whole time either sleeping in the sling or charming all our friends with smiles. Very proud Pidjy grin

Clarella Sun 14-Apr-13 20:31:23

oo thanks pass! I feel bad as I - erm - basically was off 'sick' from 9 weeks due to slapped cheek (I worked from home for a bit) but then later had thyroid stuff going on and got AND. I've actually been of nearly a year now blush !

so glad you had fun and dp too pidj ! sounds like you needed that!

fucking buggery thrush!!!!!! teething distractible biting doesn't help!!!! then twanging my bra top right on the nipple!!!! on the phone for the hard stuff tomorrow am angry

Passmethecrisps Sun 14-Apr-13 20:39:02

Lovely pidj. You guys deserve a lovely day out.

clarella thems the breaks! Don't feel bad for stuff which was out of your control.

And it sounds like you are having a totally pishy time with BF sad

Clarella Sun 14-Apr-13 20:39:17

no don't go daisy. you're fab. we all have shit moments but yours are really rather hard and you're allowed to feel rubbish but you are really incredibly strong. tears can be good as you let out stress hormones and can help you rebuild. my tears were over fungus and formula today - not much in reality. you are an amazing mother to a brand new little person who will learn how to be amazing and strong too from you and will become an amazing and strong grown up. all because of you. keep posting hun.

Clarella Sun 14-Apr-13 20:43:15

eeek detective - not sure. gps are v good (in my experience - see below!) at cutting mum's some slack re sick and I think it's treated as sick pay after your return date. do you have a union to speak to? might be good to get advice?

Clarella Sun 14-Apr-13 20:45:56

oh I see detective - you can self certify for first 5 days ....

BigPigLittlePig Sun 14-Apr-13 20:48:10

clarella daktarin oral gel worked a treat for me - and no need to wash it off before feeding. You can buy it from a chemist too if you can't get through to the dr tomorrow x

Clarella Sun 14-Apr-13 20:50:51

pr little one hasn't thrush in mouth/throat? I only ask as I'm battling it but a friends lo stopped feeding with it as it can make mouth sore. but I think it would be pretty noticeable. amoxycillin made George very thirsty indeed which eased a bit when he stopped. sorry she's off food again.

Clarella Sun 14-Apr-13 20:53:47

bplp have that already. think tablets are going to have to be taken and another course of nystatin for him. buggery arseing antibiotics. (sorry Sunday) but I don't think I kept it all up for long enough this last week.

off to sleep now - wonder if we'll get sleepy dust up here tonight?!

Izzybuzzybuzzybees Sun 14-Apr-13 20:54:56

detective I think if you know your going to be off already then is forewarn them if it was me. I know you have problems with your fanjo, is it just episiotomy that's the problem? I'm just wondering what the GP will certify it as, it seems a tricky one!!

chasing don't dare leave. We are here for you.

J wasn't great last night, woke twice to feed and twice for a hand hold. Not sure how to stop that or how to get bedtime earlier! My new monitor is due for delivery tomorrow so hoping we can try putting him upstairs earlier but I can't see it happening!

Donnadoon Sun 14-Apr-13 20:59:48

Thanks Detective And I have no experience and advise for your line of work but life has taught me that honesty is the best policy and if there is any way of just 'telling them straight' that you ain't coming back until you and your baby are up to it and if they don't like it that's tough shit ... but obviously you have to cover yourself and go through the proper channels but I would ring them tomorrow and get it over and done with because then it's done and you can relax rather than tying yourself up in knots about it for the next couple of weeks.

ValiumQueen Sun 14-Apr-13 21:00:58

pass I will text you when I have access to the car to see if I can pop to get it. I think it is time young J had a bit of time on his feet. The girls had walkers, door bouncers, jumperoos etc, and poor old J has a circuit of bumbo, bouncer chair, and floor. He hates the bumbo though. I have not told DH. He will not approve.

Been out this afternoon - into Stirling, just browsing really. Both girls bathed tonight with hair wash.

When put and about bottle users, how do you warm a bottle? I have a good system in place for carrying it chilled and keeping it chilled, but today we were in M&S and they had a Tommee Tippee bottle flask warmer thing which was shite. Ikea is fab for facilities. I know how to keep a feed hot, but that will require money spent on a fancy little coat for the bottle. Any thoughts?

ValiumQueen Sun 14-Apr-13 21:02:40

detective I think you should tell them ASAP and speak to HR or Occ Health. It is not a new problem so best say ASAP.

Pikz Sun 14-Apr-13 21:06:30

VQ I ask for a cup of boiling water and sit bottle in it.

Chasing don't go anywhere I am having a crap mother, crap partner day hmm it happens but we would rather support you.

Lily and pjpj sounds like lovely days.

Weirdly Clarella after 3 lots of nystatin, daktarin was only thing that worked.

DP is cross as I'm too tired for some hanky panky. Now feel like absolute shite for turning him down but I'm just whacked hmm

BigPigLittlePig Sun 14-Apr-13 21:06:54

VQ I shall await hot bottle solutions with interest - F will only take a bottle if really very hot like her mum with hot drinks then which is one good reason for me to continue to bf - lukewarm is not an option for this fussy feeder.

Passmethecrisps Sun 14-Apr-13 21:07:14

Awesome VQ.

Re bottles I have a wee jacket for the bottles so not much use to you.

Pikz Sun 14-Apr-13 21:07:27

Im with the others Detective, honesty the best policy. Big hug.

PennieLane Sun 14-Apr-13 21:13:44

Sorry to hear of thrush and bad nights, really hope it starts to get better for everyone. Hopefully the sunny weather makes things seem more bearable.

We've gone for the Ikea high chair and DD and I love it. She feels do much more part of the family. So pleased to have it! Had my first night out since she was born and felt do rough on 2 drinks! But it was brilliant to be out!

ValiumQueen Sun 14-Apr-13 21:22:29

pass I have been looking for the wee jacket and cannot find it. Does it have a name?

Elizadoesdolittle Sun 14-Apr-13 21:27:49

Yup detective I'm another vote for being upfront and honest.

vq I put the water in a little stainlees steel flask so no good for you. Sorry. I bought it ages a go and it was just sitting in the cupboard gathering dust but it's come into it's own the last couple of weeks. It keeps it at the exact temprature that I put the water in. I take it upstairs at night too to save me having to come downstairs to warm water.

Am loving this beautiful weather. DD1 been a bit of a handful today but I can take it much better when the sun is shining. We spent the morning at a park and in the garden for the afternoon. Went to my sisters for dinner which was lovely. She's a great cook. I've eaten far too much. I need to start cutting down on all the crap I eat and start excerising. This warm weather has made me realise I have very little to wear in the way of summer stuff. I have 2 hen do's and 2 weddings to go to this year and I don't want to look like a frump for them.

Preschool starts again tomorrow, thank god. Think DD1 needs a routine back and it will help me get E into one too.

TheDetective Sun 14-Apr-13 21:34:17

Right, so what do I do? Ring the matron and tell her? Go to my GP first? What?! Help! Can you tell I don't know what I am doing!

VQ We now warm his in a microwave, we did the jug and hot water thing for a long time, but about 3 weeks ago he was wanting it hotter than I could get it in a reasonable time! Anyway, 1 min in the microwave gets his 8oz to the right temp. Depending on the microwave of course!

When out, I now ask for it to be microwaved, and not had any problems. I keep change on me for a drink, so we just go to a cafe, I get a drink, and his bottle warmed. Or if he needs a feed when we get to school, I warm it in the staff room grin. Erm, there hasn't been many other places I've been and needed it warming. I just pop to a cafe generally. Even at baby group there is a microwave.

ValiumQueen Sun 14-Apr-13 21:34:45

eliza duh! A flask! Why the fuck did I not think of that? Duh! I will go and dust off my wee flask, then it is just a case of letting it cool by sitting it in a cup of cold water I guess. He likes it hot.

He drunk a full 9oz of yucky formula at bedtime smile I am beginning to love it though, as I seem to have my baby back - he has done nothing but giggle and smile all day, and apart from a few small pukes, he is fine. His skin is soo much better too! Amazeballs! (Spending too much time with pass clearly)

TheDetective Sun 14-Apr-13 21:36:35

Izzy It is mostly the epis, both inside and out, the pelvic floor has generally improved, but isn't reliable completely yet. But I'd assume the GP would either write childbirth injury, or forcep injury, slow recovery from childbirth, unhealed episiotomy. Or something. I don't mind, as long as they know it is related to birth, which obv. an episiotomy is!

ValiumQueen Sun 14-Apr-13 21:37:10

*M&S would not nuke it. Gave me this warmer thing that is a flask and a jug. Took 10 mins to just take the chill off.

TheDetective Sun 14-Apr-13 21:39:22

VQ O wouldn't touch the stuff, so I am assuming his is an actual lactose intolerance. Unusual, but not impossible I suppose. He is still pretty happy on it, so I'm not rocking the boat!

His cousin who is 6 months older has a lactose intolerance, so I suppose it wouldn't be too far fetched to think it is, with a family history.

TheDetective Sun 14-Apr-13 21:40:44

Yes, M&S (and whetherspoons) both gave me the TT warmer. I did warm it with them, and it was fine. One time it was not, I just told them it wasn't, and told them to microwave it for 20 seconds. Then it was fine. They did it for me when the TT didn't work.

TheDetective Sun 14-Apr-13 21:41:39

I also think the fact O was screaming his fucking head off helped. grin

Passmethecrisps Sun 14-Apr-13 21:53:22

Hmm. Think it is an insulated bottle sleeve.

Typically, I leave the house with one bottle freshly made and in the jacket. Often it is still too warm to use immediately so the jacket is effective. Then I have the powder measured into pots. I get boiling water and make up the next bottle about 1.5 hours before needed then stick it in the flask. Did that in Ikea and it was still too hot to use and had to be cooled. I always take far too many bottles out with me. I also always take a little pot premeasured for emergencies. Paranoid? Moi?

Kyzordz Sun 14-Apr-13 21:55:22

<crawls onto Fred>

chasing don't go, you are fabulous in every which way

Hope everyone has had a good day with the decent weather we've had. I need to read the Fred properly but most of it sounds good!

LO really likes banana rusk and ate a whole one. Really must feed him some fucking thing else besides bastard rusk. I got stuck on it because it seemed breakfast ish and i give it at the 10-11 ish bottle. Not sure whay else he can have that is breakfasty? Pureed fruit maybe? Tomorrows mission = food that is not rusk. Sat him in bumbo type thing today and put veg on tray. He picked it up easily and stuffed it into his mouth, but wasn't impressed and onto the floor it went! He surprised me though by getting it from tray to mouth so easily!

reckon he's ok for cucumber sticks? Probably end up on floor but he can't eat rusk forever.

<crawls back away from Fred>

MissMummy1 Sun 14-Apr-13 21:57:21

I am moping in the spare room tonight. DP has prescribed me a night off and is doing an entire night with the sleep dodger, armed with my ipod and some formula. I feel like a bit of a failure sad (but also very greatful of the opportunity to sleep!)

Sleepdust to all x

Izzybuzzybuzzybees Sun 14-Apr-13 22:04:10

mm you are not a failure!! You are a tired mummy with a loving DP who wants to help you and loves his daughter.

detective that makes sense. I couldn't think how on earth they'd be able to describe that on a sick line. I can't believe it hasn't healed properly yet, is it very painful? Can they do anything to help?

ValiumQueen Sun 14-Apr-13 22:06:39

kyz porridge? With fruit purée? Or weetabix once 6 months old?

pass you probably did not notice me watching you avidly in Ikea for tips on bottle use. I am coveting your bottle jacket.

Kyzordz Sun 14-Apr-13 22:15:09

Is it a particular porridge vq? And any fruits that you recommend that go down well with it? Thanks for the help smile he is 23 weeks on Tuesday so nearly there for weetabix!

TheDetective Sun 14-Apr-13 22:25:24

You can get them on Amazon VQ

www.amazon.co.uk/Feeding-Thermal-Insulate-Cushion-Hanging/dp/B00BUL9EIW/ref=sr_1_12?ie=UTF8&qid=1365974523&sr=8-12&keywords=neoprene+can+cooler

I'm always wary of leaving the bottle warm though, so prefer to take it out cold, and warm up.

I suppose bacteria breeds any which way, whether it is cold and reheated, or warm and left to cool.

This is the pain in the ass bit about formula! I really didn't know how lucky I was with DS1! Fabulous feeder, fed cold formula, no fussing, took any bottle, any formula, no bibs, no muslins, no vomit, no dribble, held his own bottle at 10 weeks. O is my punishment for not realising how good I had it! grin

Kyzordz Sun 14-Apr-13 22:27:24

I am guessing its the one i have in my cupboard. Thought I had two boxes of baby rice unopened but one is 'baby porridge' and the other is 'sunrise banana cereal', whatever that may actually be!

ValiumQueen Sun 14-Apr-13 22:28:02

You can buy baby porridge but I just put normal porridge through the blender dry to make sure there are no big bits. Not necessary though probably. You can make it with bm or formula or cows milk so long as there is no intolerance obviously. Nice with most fruit I guess but I used pear and apple.

Do not feel bad mm enjoy it!

BigPigLittlePig Sun 14-Apr-13 22:34:23

I'm getting quite excited about weaning now, hearing about the other babies having their first tastes. Just got a bit too excited about the thought of porridge blush. F sits in her highchair now at the table, when we have meals. We have to wedge her in with rolled up muslins otherwise she ends up at a jaunty angle.

MM ENJOY!
Chasing thanks we've all had days like that, I had several last week. I hope you wake up feeling more positive again.

Looking forward to the week ahead - dh has the week off work. Strange it coincided with the Masters...Off to bed now, night all x

Elizadoesdolittle Sun 14-Apr-13 22:34:46

Hehe vq Yet another one with a flask gathering dust. I just have to remember to make the bottle up in plenty of time for the water to cool down. Which reminds me I had better go and do tonights feed.....

Elizadoesdolittle Sun 14-Apr-13 22:38:36

bplb Yet another one here with a DH addicted to the masters. No week off for him though so he'll just have to suffer with lack of sleep!

mm Hoping you won't read this till the morning after a lovely sleep. Do not feel remotley guilty. Enjoy.

chasing Sorry you've had a low day. I hope you get a good night and feel better tomorrow.

Dixiebell Sun 14-Apr-13 22:38:54

kyz, ds1 used to have baby porridge, or the real stuff made with breast milk. Plus any puréed fruit, or mashed banana. You can also get baby cereals which are powdery stuff, and muesl, although that might be for when theyre ready for texturesi. Weetabix and mashed banana too -again u can get a baby version with no sugar/salt. Yogurt & fruit purée? Can't remember the recommended ages. Risks are really sugary aren't they?!

Dixiebell Sun 14-Apr-13 22:39:14

Rusks, not risks.

Kyzordz Sun 14-Apr-13 22:40:14

Thanks vq smile

Yes mm enjoy!!

Dixiebell Sun 14-Apr-13 22:43:36

Sounds good, but ds1 will now only eat sugary cereal, dry, no milk, while sat in front of Peppa Pig for brekkie. I'm hoping second time lucky with Ted's eating habits...!

Lily311 Sun 14-Apr-13 23:03:46

vq i have a tommee tippee bottle insulator. Send me your address and i post it to you if you want, i never use it.

We are up. She seems hungry.

Marking my place so I can catch up with the night feeds

Izzybuzzybuzzybees Sun 14-Apr-13 23:40:29

That's us just going to bed. This is getting ridiculous! He hasnt slept much today, as per usual, so there is no reason for bedtime to be so bloody late!!!

I need all the hints and tips possible for encouraging sleep earlier than 11.40pm!!!

Izzybuzzybuzzybees Mon 15-Apr-13 00:11:06

He's woken allfuckingready!!!! DH dispatched to hand hold and he turns the feckimg hall light on!! Why?!? Fucking eejit!

GTbaby Mon 15-Apr-13 00:44:36

Bad to worse. Had a lovely day. Told some more close family we r expecting. Everyone very excited. So was nice. At end of night changed LO nappy so I could put him straight into cot when home.

Only prob is I did it on floor n squared right down rather the kneel. As its hard wood flooring. I stretched out my fanjo confused it's really hurting down there now sad

This worries me. As I'm obviously not as stretchy down there! How will I get this new baby out. blush

LuisGarcia Mon 15-Apr-13 00:45:04

Izzy, I can try to tell you the things J taught me about sleep, if you want. There are several caveats, though. First, I'm a man, and both ours are bf, so they don't associate me with food. Secondly, I don't want to promise anything. They're all different.

LuisGarcia Mon 15-Apr-13 00:52:24

Third, this is going to take time to fix, so go easy on yourself and DH for now.

GTbaby Mon 15-Apr-13 01:44:08

Izzy. I don't want to sound patronising. But what's your current bed time routine? Maybe if you tell us that ppl may be able to offer tips?

LuisGarcia Mon 15-Apr-13 01:53:56

Chasing I feel like a shit father. Other parents cope better with more problems with less help than me.

I feel weak, too. I'm on painkillers for my knees.

Feel isolated. This thread is my social lifeline right now. The advantage I have here is I've done this once already, so I know the isolation ends. It does.

Feel guilty. J has some issues. Genetically, that's my fault. Everyone tells me I should read to him more (I was reading to him for 16 hours a day at times). I've given up two careers for them and I worry the example I've set is that I'm a quitter. I think guilt is a synonym for parent.

These things are not you. They are entirely normal.

Feel like I am not capable of being in a healthy relationship. Feel like there is no way out. Feel scared.

This is stuff I don't have. See my first two sentences in this post. And they are all his fault.

PurplePidjin Mon 15-Apr-13 02:00:06

<<hugs>> and brew for those in need - Chasing please stay, we luffs you <mwah>

Thank you, we really did need it. Dp normally works commentating at these shows but obviously wasn't sure he'd be up to it. He went up to see his mates in the tower and got talked into doing a bit on the actual drag racing, then later on the Dizzee Rascals (test circuit) with ds in the Beco, fast asleep! Twas fab, he's got loads of his old confidence and energy back grin

Think R's first tastes were flecks of tyre rubber washed down with diesel smoke hmm in other news, he didn't slump in his high chair at dinner this evening. Hurrah!

PurplePidjin Mon 15-Apr-13 02:02:51

Luis I've seen you in action. How many 2 1/2 year olds know their letters? J is a bright, sparky little lad who doesn't talk much. He patently adores you <fish slap>

I'm always up for coffee if you fancy a wee boat ride.

GTbaby Mon 15-Apr-13 02:04:18

Argh almost messed up
LO was put to bed by DH earlier. I popped head in to check his feet to foot just now (he moves so much) n stunk of poop confused. So changed him. For a min thought he might be up for a while. Seemed like he wanted to at. But he has drifted off to sleep grin

Have managed to move 3-4 feed of water to 5am. So have now decided he will have water any time before 7. He used to do 7pm-8am with a 11pm dream feed. So I KNOW he can manage it.

I just have to be stricter with myself. N my so called Molly coddling! As stated by hubby. Was very annoyed by that.
He also said "I just want one good nights sleep" he was referring to the cold he had last few days n sickness he had last week. I wanted to smack him. But politely replied "yes, that's all I've wanted for the last 6months." Not mentioning my lack of sleep before the baby. He had no come back.
But here I am again. PG n turning into an insomniac.

Pls pls pls chuck sleep dust on ME! As much as I loved keeping you entertained with my ramblings I don't wana do it no more!

GTbaby Mon 15-Apr-13 02:07:37

Hey PP. which ear defenders did u but LO? As ones I got seem a little tight ? Like they with squash his head. However at party yesterday he seemed un phased by music... It was very loud. Just worried about damage to his hearing blush

LuisGarcia Mon 15-Apr-13 02:20:53

Thank you pp. We had a lovely time that day and J keeps talking (signing) about the adventure we had.

Congrats on your own adventure today

GTbaby Mon 15-Apr-13 02:23:30

Aww luis. I cross posted majorly there. Sry.

I think part of why I like this thread is because of the support. But mostly as I kinda feel isolated as well.
I think my isolation is different to others. It's more a me thing. In I don't talk to ppl. I'm one of those ppl who sits in a room full of ppl and still feel lonely, like I don't connect, or can't talk to them about my life or they r so different to me that I don't think they relate to me.

So im so glad that you, like I and I suspect a few others here have this support network. But as you say, you know for you this will end.

In terms of your dc seeing you as a quitter. Many women give up work to be full time mums (I don't know if that's the politically correct term) n are not seen as quitters, and neither are you! You have made sacrifices for your DC, very selfless of you. Not something you should worry about in terms of "what ppl/dc think"

And that's my ramble done for now.

Ps ill take a min now to apologise for my SHIT txt typing here. I'm not surprised how bad it's got since leaving work . the only time I type is MN or txting hmm oh looking back as post and I corrected most. But apologies for other shoddy posts shock

Lily311 Mon 15-Apr-13 02:52:02

This is the only place where I told from the beginning that I lost my OH. Most of the mums i know have no idea. They probably think I am in a relationship. A couple came to my flat and all they can see is the pictures of us everywhere. If they ask about him, i change the subject. That is how isolated I am.

Lois, you mustn't see yourself as a quitter. You give the best start to your children by being there for them. Carrier can wait, they are only little for a short time. I am also fascinated about the signing, it's amazing that he can express himself even if not talking. I often feel to give up my OU course just because I am tired and can't be bothered but I am already on the black list with them and if I quit my chances for getting the second degree will reduce to 0. I don't want to quit but at the same time I do really.

I think I know why I can't sleep. It's because of my baby girl. She is very noisy, moving, sucking her thumb. So I just came to the sitting room and made up sofa bed, let's see if it helps.

kirrinIsland Mon 15-Apr-13 03:06:44

Well, I think we can safely say last night was a fluke sad N is currently on her 3rd feed of the night. Tbf, She woke the first time at the sound of me coming up to bed so I'm going to have to work on that. But even so, I'm back to feeling like I haven't really been to bed.

Glad you had a good day pidj - sounds like just what you both needed.

Like GT and Luis i find this thread a real lifeline. The new baby stage is pretty isolating, even when you are managing to get out and about so it great to be able to come on hear and compare notes and see what you've all been up to. I have Especially needed it over night!

izzy hope you get some sleep. I have no advice for you - if I knew how to get them sleeping I wouldn't be on here all night every night! - but I can offer ((hugs)).

kirrinIsland Mon 15-Apr-13 03:13:23

Cross post lily - hope the change of room helps, babies can be very noisy sleepers! I can understand you don't telling new mum friends your situation - it's so hard and so personal that it must be hard to talk about at all, never mind with people you don't know so well thanks

LuisGarcia Mon 15-Apr-13 03:18:03

kirrin {{hug}} flukes are good. They prove flukes are possible

ChasingDaisy Mon 15-Apr-13 04:31:23

Luis thank you thanks As for you feeling like a quitter, I admire you, so I can only imagine how proud your DC and family must be. You have sacrificed your career to raise your children - there is no job more important than that.

PurplePidjin Mon 15-Apr-13 04:51:49

GT, the £5 ones from the Santa Pod shop!

Luis, i know another not quite 2yo boy who signs and doesn't talk much yet. Wonder how hard it would be to get them together?!

ValiumQueen Mon 15-Apr-13 05:48:26

311 that would be fab, thank you x I will send you my address when I am awake enough to remember it!

Luis I can understand why you would think genetic stuff is your fault, but it really isn't. Obviously I do not know the exact details, but my understanding is that genes are just the way we are made. What you CAN control, you seem to be doing amazingly well. As a man who has given up his career to focus on his children, you are certainly not a quitter, but a rare gem, and as for J knowing his letters so young, that is amazing!

Gonna try to get a few more minutes kip before another thrilling day.

Dixiebell Mon 15-Apr-13 06:30:59

My 4 month old was up 3 times in the night.

My 2 year old is acting like a moody teenager, woke at 6 shouting but won't get out of bed, and just jumped out, slammed his door shut saying 'closed', and got back into bed.

At the first hint of sunshine I have developed a cold sore, and have no cream to put on it as I get one about every two years.

It's gonna be a good day...hmm

Sophiathesnowfairy Mon 15-Apr-13 06:40:45

luis, you may not see this as you are a nocturnal human an i am Definately a morning girl. Nice to hear your honesty. My DH didn't speak till he was three and tbh he speaks as little as possible now he turned out to be incredibly bright with a degree, masters and a phd in electricity things noone else understands. He has a successful career a wife who loves him to distraction,two beautiful boys and two lovely DSDs. Who could ask for more. (He says he is dyslexic and some psychologist once said they thought he had aspergers )

And so we make the best of life. Your boy sounds a joy. And you did that. grin

Sophiathesnowfairy Mon 15-Apr-13 06:47:23

liliy that's a bit heartbreaking.

Am same. I don't want any more friends in RL tbh. I am really happy. I don't have many good friends and my family are really important to me. But you can not do the baby days without support and this has been amazing I an not believe I find it till no four.

Yep I am in the masters widow camp. He fell asleep on the sofa watching it.

kirrinIsland Mon 15-Apr-13 06:49:04

Oh dear Dixie sad brew

Shit night here too. Back to waking every 2 hours or so and waking the second I put her back in the cot - took 2 or 3 attempts every time.
I really thought the good night we had was due to the formula filling her up rather than her breastfeeding snacks. I should know better than to think like that. I am an idiot. Spent the night in tears and don't feel a whole lot better now it's day. Surely this has to get better soon?

Lily311 Mon 15-Apr-13 07:10:46

I slept on sofa bed!!!

vq if you send me your address before 9.30 than i post it today, need to send off some ebay items as well.

MsJupiterJones Mon 15-Apr-13 07:13:30

Just reading backwards through thread & all the talk of Luis not being a quitter I assumed he had announced he was giving up being a SAHP and going back to work! What you are doing right now Luis is stepping up to the mark, not quitting - quite the opposite. You're being a great role model for your kids and normalising the idea of Dads/men as carers which will give them a more balanced viewpoint of how life can and should be.

Btw my friend's boy didn't speak till he was three and then started in complete sentences. He's still a quiet chap but definitely more going in than coming out! Just keep chatting to J normally and don't force it.

Our nights are slowly improving (at 24 wks). 10-6 with a bit of awake time at 3am but no feed. Maybe by 6 months he'll sleep through? Go on just once little L!

MissMummy1 Mon 15-Apr-13 07:20:48

So M did two 4 hours stunts for DP envy . I slept 9 hours straight grin . He put a nappy on backwards and got covered in wee at about 3am hmm . That was basically our night. And formula doesn't seem to be poisoning her, but she was most pleased to see my boobs again this morning and is currently slumped cuddling one smile . Formula is daddy milk or so I try and justify it to myself

Luis you are a true inspiration. I have taught 3/4/5 year olds with no speech and the fact J knows his letters and can sign (all testament to you!) is bloody amazing!! Be kinder to yourself; you are doing. grand job. The hardest, most challenging,underpaid, undervalued job in the world. wink

MissMummy1 Mon 15-Apr-13 07:21:57

not stunts, stretches....

Looks like there was lots of quiche love overnight - flowers for all of you.

Luis my DBro was a late everything, and I remember my mum being worried that he wouldn't be dry or talking before starting school. Somehow everything fitted into place in time. He's in his mid 20s and just started med school as a mature student now. So even late deciding on a career, but got there in the end.

Whereas I was the quick one that everyone had massive hopes for and no-one ever worried about. Straight A student, turned down Oxford and other top uni offers and wasted my late teens and 20s with nasty men, never got my degree. And it is now too late.

Happy Monday everyone.

MadamGazelleIsMyMum Mon 15-Apr-13 07:36:26

luis don't look at it like that. You have done an amazing, selfless thing by being a SAHP. Your DC will benefit from all that time with you, and, if my family is anything to go by, your DC will have such a close relationship with you. My DD absolutely worships DH. Their relationship is a joy to behold, and I'm sure a massive reason for that is the 18months of SAH time Dh had with her. It's about to start again, and I am grateful to DH for taking that role, and value his contribution to our lives. SAHP is a hard job. I've had a real insight on this mat leave.

lily I think you are very brave and how you cope best is probably an instinctive, self-protection thing.

On the bottle warming thing, I am always surprised when places microwave a bottle. DH is a chef. They categorically will not microwave bottles on the basis that ( a) the commercial microwaves will nuke stuff in seconds, and (b) it's a health &safety, not-wanting-to-get-sued thing. They don't hand the hot water out either, the bottle stays on the counter. DS likes it hot, so I tend to give it usual time plus 30 seconds, stick it in warmer, and when he drinks later its usually a bit above room temp but not so cool he won't drink. Heating cold bottles in warm water takes too long for impatient DS.

DS, DD and DH have left the house. DS has first full day at nursery today. I am full of mixed feelings. Last night I cried because he is still so little to go to nursery (even though DD went at the same age and has always thrived there, and its only 2 days pw), I cried because starting at nursery signals the impending end of mat leave. I cried because I'm going to miss our days just DS and me, the only days I feel like I give him any actual attention, even though he patently prefers the days DD is here to those when she is not. But I am also gearing up for my return to work, I have enjoyed my KIT days, I am looking out work clothes, I have seen clients and colleagues recently and am reminded of my enjoyment of work. I am also desperately in need of these couple of days at home alone, to rest, and sort, and have some me time.

Gazelle he will have a ball at nursery. Lots of toys to play with and people to watch smile

Talking of slow development, LO will be 6mo on Friday and seems to have finally rolled more than once, though it still doesn't look very deliberate grin judging by the screams each time.

MissMummy1 Mon 15-Apr-13 08:03:44

A really good friend of mine was due her first baby around the same time as us. She mc'd unfortunately but has just had a wee boy grin I am so happy for them!

ChunkyChicken Mon 15-Apr-13 08:24:09

Oh dear, I seem to have developed a life, quite accidentally, and been running around all over the place and too busy to post. Apologies. Hopefully the dull existence-normality will be resumed soon wink

So, in lieu of catching up, can I ask quiche advice?

If your LO had been b-feeding normally, maybe a touch more than normal, no fever, slight runny nose and seemed to have a v waxy ear this morning - lots of pale yellow around the ear canal entrance - would you worry he had an ear infection?

He had a really fussy time yesterday evening, and wouldn't settle, seemed in pain, but calpol, and going to bed, seemed to work. He had an ok night sure someone mentioned a 5mth sleep regression recently angry and seems absolutely fine this morning. I just noticed the ear gunk & was a bit confused It doesn't smell icky or anything & he hasn't had any calpol since 8pm-ish, so I'm sure if it was an ear infection, he'd need it right? His temp (just after undressing from his 2.5tog sleeping bag) was 37.4 so not a fever. He seems happy now though hmm

Should I see the GP?

ValiumQueen Mon 15-Apr-13 08:29:27

Chunky best get it looked at. Sounds a lot like an ear infection or perforation.

311 done smile thank you x

Sophiathesnowfairy Mon 15-Apr-13 08:31:51

Congrats on your life chunky grin

Sorry for the poo night dixie you never know things might take a turn for the better today.

Enjoy mm that is a good way of looking at. I am so full of admiration of all of you who continue bf'ing I was so rubbish at it and tbh I wonder if it is because it just wasn't my bag, if it was I would have had the perseverance some of you have had . Anyway you are all marvellous to me and I am envy

chunky get it looked at. A few weeks ago I posted a pic of a perforated eardrum on FB. LO was much better after hers perforated, and just the day before the doctor had ruled out ear infection as she had no visible symptoms or a temperature...

If it has perforated they will want you to put drops in it and possibly antibiotics.

PurplePidjin Mon 15-Apr-13 08:52:10

Sophia, I'm bfing because a) I've had no problems and b) i can't afford formula, it's so expensive, and c) I'm too lazy for all the faff of sterilising hmm

Same with cloth nappies. I often get asked if i don't find it hard doing all the extra washing. No, i would find it much harder to load baby into pushchair, go to supermarket, buy nappies, carry huge box of nappies home, transport up stairs and find somewhere to store them. Possibly even an extra unnecessary car journey with a car-loathing baby. Or, i put dp puts an extra load of washing on every other day...

MissMummy1 Mon 15-Apr-13 09:00:39

I have loved feeding M exclusively myself and wanted to do so until she was 6 months. She is 5 now and had her first taste of formula 2 days ago. I cannot express enough and I am finding it hard juggling bf'ing with working again. If she slept through it would be a different matter but I have hit breaking point with lack of sleep. She has broken me! So an occasional bottle of formula from dad is the solution. Like pidj I couldnt be bothered with the faff of bottles all the time.

If we ever have another <fails miserably to hide horrified face> I want to try reusable nappies. I might still with M... (who am I kidding, I struggle to keep on top of washing as it is!)

Sophia you are amazing. You may not bf but you have made the best decision for you and you are a fantastic mummy to all 4 of your beautiful children smile And you have a Matilda so you are instantly fabulous grin

MissMummy1 Mon 15-Apr-13 09:01:23

Oh and dixie I had a wee giggle at your 2 year old teenager grin Sorry!

GTbaby Mon 15-Apr-13 09:14:05

My gorgeous darling baby. I love you so much! Thank you for sleeping 12-8! Can you teach mummy how to sleep so long pls?

Lily311 Mon 15-Apr-13 09:21:29

purple i am so with you with the cloth nappies. It is just so much easier to use them, I also have reusable wipes so apart from the odd pocket when we are out and about, I don't need to include them in my weekly shop. I still use disposables during the night though but it's only one per night.

I am giving up breastfeeding today. O has been mixed fed anyhow and my left boob dried up weeks ago as she refused to take it. The right one has a bit but she hasn't been on it longer than 2 min a time in the past week or so. I am glad I managed until now but feel sad for giving it up.

madamgazelle yes, it is a self protection thing. For a while I thought if I didn't admit it it meant it didn't happen. My resolution is that once I move to Hungary I will tell new people what happened. Maybe it will help me with the healing.

I thought about the jelly cat/kitten toys and organised the collection. Along with blankets, towels, clothes, they come and pick them up at the end of this week.

ChunkyChicken Mon 15-Apr-13 09:38:13

Thanks VQ & PR. And Sophia grin

Have looked at PRs photo. A's 'gunk' wasn't as widespread or as yellow, but was runnier & paler than normal wax. Will try to get to GP ASAP just to check.

Passmethecrisps Mon 15-Apr-13 09:43:45

Good meowning.

Black out blind ordered today. Nuff said.

DH got back last night. Hoorah! His colleague lost his jacket with his car keys in though so they had to get a train home so he was home 2 hour later than expected. Boo. Anyway, he got up with p this morning so I got a wee while in bed dozing and listening to p blethering to her dad.

How is LO doing today PR? Eating better?

I am glad to see you sharing a wee bit luis although sad to hear that you feel down about the situation. It's been said but you sound like a tower of strength. We can't do anything about our genes but we can be the best parents possible - I think you have that one sown up.

lilly I am glad you could at least share here. I know the next few weeks are going to be really tough so I hope you continue to find being here supportive.

Hi-5 to 9 hours sleep MM and to DP stepping up and giving you the chance. You must feel reborn! I won't tell you how to feel about giving formula - tis complicated shiz. I am glad you got some sleep.

Sometimes the gunk pours out onto the sleeping area too. Mght be worth checking? In any case best to get it checked. Ear infections are horrible.

Passmethecrisps Mon 15-Apr-13 09:46:27

And isn't is weird how alien other ways of doing things can seem? At the end of the day anything can become normal if you do it long enough.

BigPigLittlePig Mon 15-Apr-13 09:56:25

7-3-7 grin Happy mummy this morning.

Luis I am surprised nobody has waggled the quiche fish in your face - you have done something selfless, and your reward will be seeing the firsts with both your children, and an incredible bond with them. Anybody who labels a SAHP a failure or a quitter can take a running jump off a very tall building and onto a train track

Lily I'm glad you had a better night. I wear earplugs anyway, but without, I'm certain LOs snuffling and grunting would keep me awake for hours. Not to mention the farts. Not that I would be able to hear any of it over dhs snoring hmm

Well done MiniGT and MrMM (had a snigger about the wee though)

Madam <<hugs>> I too will be a blubbering wreck when it comes to going back to work. Stupid, as I can't wait to go back. I just wish they'd let me pop LO in a sling and take her with me grin

So DH is busy sorting out the garden. I took him out a cuppa, and slunk back indoors - he asked what I was doing, as he wasn't going to be doing all the hard work this week. I told him I had highly important jobs indoors like washing and he couldn't disrupt my routine. Which is how I find myself on MN with a brew whilst F naps. Lurvely.

Yes thank you pass she is eating better. Almost 9oz already.

She is asleep and DD1 is hoovering. All is well smile

(She wants to hoover - I use it as a reward can you believe it?! Long may it last)

Pikz Mon 15-Apr-13 09:57:26

So much stuff going on!

MM glad to hear of sleep, hope tonight is better Kirrin.

Luis, mum or dad it's the same shizzle, it's hard graft and you sound awesome, I wish I'd had a dad like you. All kids will do stuff at their own speed in their own time. J and L sound ace.

Lily thank you for trusting us, take heart and support for the next few weeks, they will demand a lot of your courage which I know you have in spades.

MM I like pass shall not tell you how to feel about formula, is complicated shiz and involves much heartbreak usually but everyone will do what is right for them as both parent and baby. Same with nappies.

LO is a tired boy today, second nap in cot going on. I thankfully got some sleep from 9-5.30! Woooohooo

Today I'm off to get some more interesting fruits and veg for his mushy stuff. He loved the basics so now we can get a little more creative.

Pikz Mon 15-Apr-13 09:57:58

PR I need to learn how to make hoovering a reward?!! Tips please!

I think she is going through a I don't want to be a baby like LO I want to be a big girl like mummy phase. It shall pass. Sometimes she deliberately tips her cornflakes or breadcrumbs on the floor so that I have to get the hoover out. She also draws on the floor so that she can justify getting a babywipe and using it to clean it up hmm

She doesn't get it from me.

Izzybuzzybuzzybees Mon 15-Apr-13 10:15:30

Luis I'd love to hear any snippets of advice that may help.

Can't remember who else asked. I've started a post in sleep so maybe post there to save filling the thread up!

We don't have a bedtime routine as such because DS shows no pattern at all. Currently he feeds downstairs in his jammies and when he falls asleep is put in bag in cot. That's about the extent of routine! Bedtime is 11pm at the earliest!

Just put my Wire boxset on ebay. Can't get into it. Am considering putting Friends set up too. Love it but know off by heart... And by the time the girls are old enough will be too dated. Right?

How long does the sleep regression last? I'm exhausted. I know M's sleeping better than some but I'm fed up of having a maximum of three hours sleep in one go. I'm lusting after the nights when I got 6 hours. I'm constantly tired, wondering if I'm anaemic again. And the exhaustion is making me more anxious in the night.

Got a shit hole house to tidy up today and DH to find a job. PIL think he should start his own business. Where the hell do they think we're going to find the time and money to do that? Apparently all he needs is his own van (paid for with magic money obv) and he won't have to pay tax the first year hmm

Sophiathesnowfairy Mon 15-Apr-13 10:52:40

Is there a new quiche word? Shiz/shizzle? What does it mean? Sorry if I have just made myself look really old and square. Like Toby.

kirrinIsland Mon 15-Apr-13 11:19:13

mm I could have written your post about formula. I wanted to get to 6 months too, but I just can't do it and I feel like I have failed sad

sophia I've never heard shizzle before either!

MaMaPo Mon 15-Apr-13 11:21:49

Ooh, I'd take The Wire off your hands PR! Is it on eBay UK?

Just put c into a new sleep suit my inlaws brought over from Aus - it has little foldover feet, like lots of them have for hands. So cute!

No sorry it's in France. I just don't get it. The acting is great but it is just so depressing and I don't need depressing at the moment.

MaMaPo Mon 15-Apr-13 11:37:02

That sounds a little bit like Breaking Bad, PR. Every episode I've seen has been really great, but it's so confronting I just can't bring myself to watch another episode. So I've been entertaining my brain with complete fluff like Smash.

Passmethecrisps Mon 15-Apr-13 11:37:11

Shiz = shit.

Fo shizzle = for sure

Hip hop gangsta speak.

I used to use these and others like 'awesome' ironically. Now I just use them all the time.

I have my DH to blame - he is a big Snoop Dogg fan

Had a bargain find this weekend that lily will like.
Managed to get this pop up travel cot for £1.60 cash!!
Went to the Mamas and Papas factory outlet and they had a "refurbished" one reduced from £75rrp to £24. Got it to the till and it had 10% off. Used a twenty pound voucher that I'd been given and hasn't found anything to spend it one that I wasn't going to have to put loads towards so in the end it only cost is £1.60! grin

StuntNun Mon 15-Apr-13 11:40:28

Sorry to hear of continued rubbish sleep. We're the same here, two hours awake and seemingly in pain in the middle of the night.

GT my DH's auntie had twins then ten months later had her third baby. She swears it's easier on the body if you get pregnant again within a year because everything is still 'loose' from the last baby.

Luis my dad had a nervous breakdown aged 44. He had to retire, my mum went back to work and he never worked again. That is apart from raising three children from when we were 10, 7 and 2. He was the one who looked after me when I was sick. He was the one who read me bedtime stories. He was the one that took me to school, and the dentist, and music lessons. He made my school lunches and my dinner every day. I know he missed being the breadwinner and he missed working life as well. But a quitter he ain't. You feel bad now because things are so hard, especially with difficult nights. But J is going to amaze you with what he gets up to as time goes by. And the nights will get easier. I am going to have to give you a hefty <fishslap> for feeling guilty over genetics, that's one thing none of us can have any influence over.

Lily I'm in the OU club too. Two exams in June and I am bricking it. My brain doesn't work anymore, how am I supposed to understand maths?

I would see the GP Chunky, some ear drops may be all that's needed.

Passmethecrisps Mon 15-Apr-13 11:40:32

I love the wire - especially the third series. But I had to watch the first series three times. I started again with the subtitles and that made a big difference. Not easy watching though.

We started Breaking Bad having watched a couple of series of Dexter so we kind of expected it to be the same. It wasn't and it took us most of the first series to start really wanting to watch the next one. It is dark and sad. I watched the first series with a weight of sympathy in my stomach.

- do you need to do a wee DD1?
- oui
- get on the potty then
- non

And goes and squats under the dining table and does her wee there.

And then gets on the sodding potty and applauds herself.

Day one of toilet training.

They're having a nap now. Time for ironing. Oh the drudgery.

BigPigLittlePig Mon 15-Apr-13 11:55:41

pr I have such a comical mental image of your dd, made up of all the little stories I've read of her. A hoover-wielding, potty-dodging madamoiselle crying oui/non/hoss grin

LuisGarcia Mon 15-Apr-13 11:58:10

Thank you all for all the lovely things you are saying about me, but they are not necessary. My point was meant to be that it's normal to feel guilty about things and worry about how you are doing your job as a parent.

Passmethecrisps Mon 15-Apr-13 12:16:06

The guilt thing is like a fucking steam train. There is a whole industry built around parental guilt. People get rich on our worries and guilt.

StuntNun Mon 15-Apr-13 12:16:14

I still reckon you deserved a <fishslap> Luis grin

MadamGazelleIsMyMum Mon 15-Apr-13 12:27:06

I think guilt is the emotion I feel most often - well, it's neck and fucking neck with knackered.

MaMaPo Mon 15-Apr-13 12:27:30

I have sympathy for those of you doing OU or any sort of study. I couldn't engage my brain now if I tried. I am DONE with my education. I caught up with an old university friend on the weekend who I probably haven't seen for 8 years. We were catching up on each others careers and at one point she started counting on her fingers then looked at me aghast and said 'Hang on, you were at uni for eleven years?' Sadly, her arithmetic was correct. I am DONE with my education, did I mention that?

Great news on the work front though - I contacted my old boss in Australia to let him know that I'm returning and will up for work in late 2013/early 2014, and he just emailed to say 'Impeccable timing, we're putting in a tender for your work, if we get it the role will be yours.' dancing inwardly.

Sophiathesnowfairy Mon 15-Apr-13 13:14:35

Shiz I have a busy afternoon ahead.

Shiz how is it half one already?!

ChasingDaisy Mon 15-Apr-13 13:51:51

Luis I am afraid that as a quiche member you will have to accept having nice things said about you. And a fish slap now and then grin

Lily I can't begin to understand what you are going through but I am very glad you can find some support here. Please make sure you keep using us for support as much as you need over the coming weeks.

I agree with Sophia regards breastfeeding. I managed a grand total of 3 days. Those of you that are still going, with or without problems, get a lot of respect from me.

O seems to have settled into a pattern of waking for feeds at midnight and 4am and into bed for a cuddle at 6. He usually gets a total of 11 hours which I am happy with. I don't think he will be able to sleep longer than 4/5 hours until we start weaning as he simply doesn't eat enough in the day.

In other news I got wolf whistled at whilst pushing O in the pram. I thought that ship had sailed so it was quite nice. Unless they were being ironic hmm

Ridiculously excited about a pee in the potty here. DD1 of course, not LO. She is soooo proud of herself. Wants to do another one already but doesn't realise that unless her pelvic floor has been tested by pregnancy or unless she has a UTI she won't be able to pee twice in a row.

grin

I spoke too soon. Has done another. Not bad for day one. Though admittedly this is the second day one at least grin

Clarella Mon 15-Apr-13 14:50:23

I too am confused by your view you are a quitter Luis. at this age children just want their parents and you're certainly not a quitter there.

yeay for good nights!

as the last born I'm sort of hopeful we'll get there though I do think bf is the issue. like the idea of daddy milk mm...
might consider a bit of formula in a few weeks when his system has sorted out.

I'm proud of g - he slept solid 2 and half hour stints no help and possibly one was 3. it's 3 hours between feeds at mo. but at least he's sleeping between (until 4) in cot no help smile

kirrinIsland Mon 15-Apr-13 15:16:42

pr we've just started potty training too and i am astounded at how many wees she can squeeze out in an hour! Definitely an applause junky grin

Dixiebell Mon 15-Apr-13 15:17:04

PR, my ds1 got potty training within a day or two, so you may find it that easy!

My little 2-year-old teenager has veered between teenage-esque sulking and very non-teenage-esque manic happiness today. We've been to messy play/singing followed by lunch with a friend at the pub - childrens' playground and kids' menu a pound when you buy an adult meal, so perfect really. And warm enough to sit outside ignores the 10 mins of spattering rain. Better go and attempt the most dangerous manoeuvre now - waking teen tot up after his nap. Yesterday resulted in an hour of moaning, crying and sulking. Wish me luck!

That's good dixie anecdotally I had heard boys take longer than girls.

TheDetective Mon 15-Apr-13 15:58:10

I wasn't going to post today. I was feeling like utter shit. But I've dragged myself for a wet fish slap.

I lost it with both DP and O last night. I just started screaming that I couldn't do it any more that woke the fucking cunt up alright. I cried and cried and fucking cried some more.

O woke up when we went to bed. I spent 3.5 hours fucking settling him. I closed my eyes. He woke up. It was 4am by this point. I just lost it.

DP had already fucked off downstairs because I woke him for snoring as it was keeping O awake. I never even told him to go downstairs, but it left me alone dealing with a baby who wouldn't fucking sleep, but wouldn't be put fucking down either.

The problem? His swaddle was in the wash. Of course, it would have been washed and dried by the time he woke, if DP had done what I had asked at 9pm. Which was to put the swaddle on to wash. I think that was what sent me over the edge, knowing that his failure to do one simple thing meant that I would be up all fucking night. Why should I a) have to do everything myself and b) tell him to wash the fucking thing - surely that is obvious?

Urghhhhh. I am not having a repeat of last night. Ever. I feel dead inside today.

It wasn't O's fault, but I just couldn't stay up all fucking night. He finally went to sleep at 4.30, on me, and then woke frequently til 7.

You can guess how I feel about that. hmm

Sorry.

TheDetective Mon 15-Apr-13 15:58:54

BTw. The cunt I refer to is DP, not O!!

TheDetective Mon 15-Apr-13 16:01:09

Am now scouring Amazon for another swaddle. Can anyone recommend one?

We have established that O can not sleep with out one - his last shit night the last night we were in Switzerland where he was up for over 2 hours was because of his swaddle too. We need another one for emergencies.

Wrapping him in a blanket doesn't work. I've got a huge blanket, but he can still escape, and then gets mad at life.

LuisGarcia Mon 15-Apr-13 16:06:25

{Detective}

BigPigLittlePig Mon 15-Apr-13 16:09:26

Detective thanks - sounds shit. Nothing useful to add, just, sounds shit.

Sorry to hear all that Detective flowers

TheDetective Mon 15-Apr-13 16:20:17

I think it just got to me because without my broken fanjo, I'd be back in work in 2 weeks, and doing shifts, nights etc. I know I'm not, but the thought is there that I could have been.

And that is just too scary to fucking comprehend.

Of course if DP woke up without me waking him 16 fucking times that would help.

I did pick up put down with him last night. He is very fucking resistant to it. 2 hours of pick up put down did not work.

Of course, the lack of swaddle DID NOT FUCKING HELP DFUCKINGP.

There. Feels better. I can't say it to him, because I'd feel like a bitch.

Dixiebell Mon 15-Apr-13 16:20:57

Hugs Detective. Hopefully a better night tonight.

I went and got some cream for my coldsore this am, left both boys in the car which I don't normally do. Put cream on. Only just now occurred to me to check instructions, and you're not supposed to use Zovirax when BFing. Oops! blush I assume one dose won't hurt much. But any other bfers suffer from them? Is there anything I can use?

BigPigLittlePig Mon 15-Apr-13 16:22:29

Ah yes. PUPD. I attempted that this afternoon under the watchful critical eye of MIL. We also hit the 2 hour mark. Disaster. Now flaked out on the sofa.

YellowWellies Mon 15-Apr-13 16:31:33

Det we really rated the summer microfleece Velcro swaddle - we got ours off Amazon. Could only find the bigger size in pink - but am sure O could rock pink. I would send it but it was such a deity of sleep in our house its being kept for when we have another.

Just a quickie on phone to catch up with you all. Lots of lurve being sent quichewards and fish slaps for those what require. All good here - just watching savings being transferred to DIY, electrical and Swedish furniture stores! Shouldn't whinge it feels a bit like Christmas smile Also the bear is edging toward one night feed - as of yet without the bottle of water trick.

Weaning starts this week - we has joined the antilop high chair club - I loved the wooden IKEA one but given we bought a sofa bed, a single bed, a chest of drawers, two bathroom units, a wall to ceiling TV / shelving unit, bedding, kitchen stuff, composting bins, etc etc figured we'd be best going for the one that was a quarter of the price. Beans on toast for the rest of April!

LuisGarcia Mon 15-Apr-13 16:36:49

Hey, fellow weaners. Is this just us? L can selectively vomit foods up. Gave her leak this morning, then she had milk, then prunes, then more milk, then more milk. This is over the last 6 hours or so.

She's just thrown the leak up. Is this normal or freaky?

LuisGarcia Mon 15-Apr-13 16:38:25

wow bplp there is no way I'd want to be doing pupd with an audience! That must have been stressful!

LuisGarcia Mon 15-Apr-13 16:39:49

Leeks go in, not leaks, they come out. Stupid sleepy brain

TheDetective Mon 15-Apr-13 16:41:49

Some foods take longer to digest Luis. The milk and prunes will go through relatively quickly prunes for poo, yes?. Leeks, longer.

YW That is the one we have but in jungle not pink!! have been looking at others, as the velcro is wearing down, and Houdini can escape from it. Looked at this one but the picture puts me off, it looks a little. Um. Odd?!

TheDetective Mon 15-Apr-13 16:43:37

Thank fuck. DP's laptop has finally fucking arrived. He has driven me mental for 3 weeks. And has spent the entire day watching out the window.

Addict.

Lily311 Mon 15-Apr-13 16:48:28

Just back from physio, she cried so much. I will put a pic on facebook, i know it's good for her but it's hard to see her crying.

det hugs
vq posted the insulator
dixie i used zovirax two weeks ago. I didn't read the instructions, ops. O was fine. I also got the cold sore patches, they were rubbish.

Luis while weaning DD1 leek (mixed with potato) was the only thing she vomited. Quite spectacularly. Happened twice I think and then she just got used to it.

MaMaPo Mon 15-Apr-13 17:09:32

Oh Detective, that is a hands-down shitful night. We've had a swaddleless night here before - they just suck.

BabyC is an expert houdini so I really recommend the Ergopouch (http://www.ergopouch.co.uk/products/swaddles-and-wraps). I got the Ergococoon 0.2 tog as a gift, then bought the hybrid swaddle (swaddle+sleeping bag - no blankets!). We use the first for naps and the second for nights. They have arms poppers for transitioning out. They're not cheap but the quality is excellent.

Passmethecrisps Mon 15-Apr-13 17:21:07

Afternoon.

Sounds tough det. We also use the summer swaddle me microfibre. We will be using it until the end of this week I reckon then bye bye swaddle. Arms out is working a treat. She looks like a little geisha.

I was trying PUPD in public as well * BP*. I think we were about 1.5 hours in front of inlaws. Thankfully MIL had nothing but praise for my perseverance. Makes you feel so much better when the little eyes finally shut and someone says "pet, you'll be needing this" and hands you a big wine

ValiumQueen Mon 15-Apr-13 17:24:33

Just at dentist with DD1. Waiting 30 mins already. Not fair on an adult let alone a child awaiting an extraction. And my fucking blackberry has taken this long to load this page. DH is home with the two youngest. I fed them all before we came out.

Passmethecrisps Mon 15-Apr-13 17:24:51

Cat thinks the natural order of things has been restored. She is on my knee and P is on the floor knocking three shades of shit out of freddie firefly.

We had a battle of the Lamaze toys - freddie in one corner and captain calamari in the other. She looked torn but freddie won (lost? Depends on your point of view) in the end.

ChunkyChicken Mon 15-Apr-13 17:36:01

Not caught up but a brief update. Very thankful that DS appears to just have waxy ears and not an infection smile

That's great news chicken

good luck at the dentist vq never fun to wait for something horrible like an extraction.

ValiumQueen Mon 15-Apr-13 18:23:59

That was brutal. Poor kid. Horrid sad

BigPigLittlePig Mon 15-Apr-13 18:28:06

PUPD was not done with a supportive audience. MIL had a chorus of "leave her to cry" (shouted over hysterical bellows), "when are you going to give her a bottle?", "she's doing it for attention", "you won't be able to manage when you're back at work like this" etc etc. angry

ValiumQueen Mon 15-Apr-13 18:29:49

bp did you smack her in the chops?

Oh God Pig I'd like to say I'd have told her where to shove it but I am pretty good at keeping my temper when my MIL is around. Takes a superhuman effort. I bet she complained about her MIL back in the day so you'd think they would learn to butt the fuck out.

MaMaPo Mon 15-Apr-13 18:47:03

BPLP next time say 'Funny, she only behaves like this when you're around. Perhaps if you went home...?'

BigPigLittlePig Mon 15-Apr-13 18:47:57

The thing is, it's all well meaning or genuine curiosity. Just not very well timed. VQ having read dh the riot act after his recent chop-smacking incident, on this occasion no chops were injured.

Your dd and you are brave women vq - I HATE the dentist.

ChasingDaisy Mon 15-Apr-13 19:13:15

pig boo to unsupportive MILs. Pass yours sounds ace.

Poor Valiumprincess, hope she recovers quickly.

Detective that is the very definition of a shit night. Is it any consolation that you know what causes it and therefore how to prevent it happening again? No? Thought not grinwink MrDetective if you are lurking, then consider yourself told off. And stop lurking grin

Passmethecrisps Mon 15-Apr-13 19:27:10

I think there is a window of time when people understand what you are going through. Pre-baby people can be sympathetic but won't genuinely understand. Too far post-baby and they forget everything. Thankfully MIL has forgotten everything she did and therefore behaves like I have mystical powers! It must be incredibly draining to have one who constantly offers helpful 'suggestions'

Poor, poor sausage VQ. sad

Passmethecrisps Mon 15-Apr-13 19:28:03

I love mama's suggestion!

BigPigLittlePig Mon 15-Apr-13 19:30:21

Another favourite - "is she still timid?"
She's a baby. Babies jump at loud noises, and cry when they get scared. It doesn't mean they are fucking timid.

grin

I get lots of this that and t'other isn't normal. If they are slightly warm it's a fever, if they hurt themselves they need to go to hospital for an x ray. Real munchausens nightmare.

TheDetective Mon 15-Apr-13 19:57:31

PR I'd kill the fucker!

Mine is great. Am very lucky. She hated me at first - before she knew me grin. I stole her baby. grin

Took some time, but she got over it, realised we are very similar, and now I'm pretty sure she actually likes me! I am also very lucky in that no one has ever offered advice or critisism of my parenting. Possibly the fact that they don't dare grin. I'd give a very colourful reply if they did!

Even with DS1, I was lucky in that both sets of parents, and family left me to it.

About to do bed time here. Wish me luck! I'll need it! O seems very unsettled today sad Not sure if it is because of last night guilt guilt guilt or it is reflux, as he isn't appreciating being put down. Anywhere. He wants entertainment galore.

Talking of MIL's, mine is having O on saturday. Not only is she having a little refluxy monster, she is having her other grandson who is 6 months older. And the 5 year old grandson. Please tell me that she isn't normal?! She is extremely excited about this! And booked the week off work when I even asked if she might be off this particular saturday!!

TheDetective Mon 15-Apr-13 19:59:52

Chasing I wanted to say earlier - do you fancy a trip to chez Detective some time?! It is reasonably ok on the train, I've done it once with a baby in pram plus a suitcase!

I'll PM you!

MadamGazelleIsMyMum Mon 15-Apr-13 20:02:08

Wow, PUPD with audiences - brave peeps.

Poor DD VQ

detective wishing you a much better night tonight.

Well, everyone survived today. DS apparently managed 4.5 hours between bottles and slept 1.5 hours longer than usual, including a 3 hour nap in the middle of the day. At home, we consider 2 hours between feeds an appropriate gap, and naps are a strictly 45 minute affair. However, he went to bed as usual, so if tonight is ok, will put that down to all the extra stimulation today.

When they got home, DS was giggling like mad at DD pretending to be a dinosaur at him. She walks up to him and "roars". Doesn't matter what she does to him, he absolutely adores her. Must save this memory for when they're fighting in the future grin

Mine liked me til I had DD1 and she realised I wasn't stressed enough about feeding, illness or childcare in general.

BigPigLittlePig Mon 15-Apr-13 20:15:32

You mean ds doesn't cry at dd madam? Because that is what would happen in our house. Because my baby is timid angry

I need to let it go now. Deep breaths.

In other news, my friend , K rang the swimming pool to book in to tomorrows aqua-aerobics class. It turns out that this is deep water aerobics (in more ways than one). This is roughly the conversation that was had.

K - "I'm not a good swimmer, will I sink?"
Lady - "no, they strap floats around your tummy."
K - " I weigh 15.5 stone, will they still work?"
Lady - "Yes. You haven't been to this class before, have you?"
K - "No"
Lady - <sniggers> "You'll be just fine"
K - "Are you sure?"
Lady - "Well, we do usually recommend you start with shallow water aerobics first. But you'll be absolutely fine" <sniggers even more>

I'm fucked, aren't I?

ChasingDaisy Mon 15-Apr-13 20:16:00

My in-law issues are complicated by the fact that OH's sister had a baby two weeks before O was born and we have very different parenting styles. SIL uses her baby to show off.

They started weaning at 17 weeks on the dot - he is now 21 weeks and has already eaten chocolate biscuits hmm He is very much treated like an adult rather than a little baby and they don't seem to take his needs into account. When we were both at dinner a couple of weeks ago, both babies were overtired - we put O down for a nap but his cousin was made to stay up and entertain the masses. I feel sorry for the poor boy. O is very much seen as the boring baby in comparison and me as the overprotective parent.

BigPigLittlePig Mon 15-Apr-13 20:18:16

Fuck 'em chasing
Bet the "lively" baby gave them a jolly lively meltdown when they got home.

ChasingDaisy Mon 15-Apr-13 20:21:51

pig I'm sure he did. But SIL would never admit to that. He is a perfect baby.

MadamGazelleIsMyMum Mon 15-Apr-13 20:23:11

Ha BPLP, no, he doesn't cry at that, mainly because that is DD being nice to him. He cries when she lies on top of him to cuddle him, or presses her cheek against him violently (but sort of affectionately), or when she forces her arm into his mouth and then pinches him because "Seth is biting my". So it's all relative. Don't worry about the "timid" comment, just think of a retort. Make reference to some study that states that quiet babies almost always turn out to be geniuses. Tru-fact.

Chasing I know a baby like that, where comparison puts me in a snobby, over-protective light. Complicated but my DSis's bf's brother's baby was weaned at 16 weeks, "because that's what [mum's] family do". He was given a chocolate to suck on at 17 weeks, and I was roundly jeered at by refusing on behalf of DS. Breathe, and ignore.

Pikz Mon 15-Apr-13 20:28:37

Got to love a mil. Mine doesn't understand why he is brought up by a houseboy, left with a bottle in his cot to drink when he feels like it, fed solids at 6 weeks or cuddled when he should just be put down. I should just leave him to cry and he definitely should have been put in a cot in his own room week one.

I am too mothering, I should have stopped bf at 1 week and I am too controlling as I wouldn't leave him for a night at 2 weeks old.

blush

When LO was hospitalised at just under a month with fever mine said you see there was no point in doing all that bf'ing was there it didn't protect her at all.

All that bf'ing? Once the colostrum was gone I mixed until I ran out of milk all of two weeks later. Yeah I really did bf far too much hmm

And we'll gloss over dipping dumnies in honey....

Clarella Mon 15-Apr-13 20:39:33

hope tonight better detective

and everyone who had crap nights last night. my brain's mushy - was it lily and stunt and Luis?

shock chocolate biscuits!

ooooh mils! mine's lovely and wouldn't dare say anything but my next door neighbour is almost an adoptive classic mil. when pregnant she commented that 'the roses will have to go of course' (as toddler will hurt self) (yeah and never go near them again!!)

have two weeks of naystatin and pills for me to pick up tomorrow. nipples feel like been sanded. and lo just fed to sleep for 45 minsconfused - we really are regressing! I'm still to email the consultant who snapped his tongue to tell her how it's going - I really want to do this without any pain to make sure. he's lots better but we got thrush almost immediately so I don't know how it feels really.

work meeting on weds confused I looked at wrong sheet and actually its the 22nd July my pay runs out hmm. so looks like I'll be putting that down! I second being upfront with work detective but I understand why it's hard - I'd be quite worried.

quiche advice please! - lo likes sleeping on his side after we both fall asleep while feeding so i tried putting him on his side with a positioner in cot, he can wiggle onto his back again if so wants but it stops him rolling forward. I'm sure it helped last night. think that's ok?

clarella as long as there's no way that he can get trapped and have an impact on breathing?

Quiche toddler plus wisdom please. Today was the first full day of potty training. Hot so able to run around in the nude (dd not me). We had a 50% success rate including a poo. Should I keep going tomorrow? There were about 6 or 7 puddles which she told me about and six or seven wees plus a poo in the potty. Shall I count this as an ok to keep going?

And LO is at 21 oz so much much MUCH better smile

Lily311 Mon 15-Apr-13 20:45:08

I am just glad my OH's parents live a 1000km away and don't speak English or Hungarian. Enough said grin.

O missed a bottle today. I'm in a rough night, aren't I? Sofa bed made up though.

chasing my brother's baby (now 2) apparently slept through from birth, ate every 3 hours, never sick, never cries, never whinges, etc. O cried all the time when we visited and I got tons of advice. Which I ignored.

Clarella Mon 15-Apr-13 20:45:14

actually I remember trying to get the pils to put g down for naps when they'd got him to sleep and they kept refusing - well, saying; oh I'm fine like this, I don't mind etc etc! (I sort of minded as wanted him to be used to being put down but at the same time it was nice they wanted to be so cuddly with him smile )

StuntNun Mon 15-Apr-13 20:48:51

Clarella my DS2 slept on his side from day 1, no idea how he managed to roll on to his side so young but he wouldn't go to sleep until he got on to his side. Not sure about sleep positioners, I remember hearing bad things about them.

Keep going PR, IMO they need to learn the sensations of needing to pee before they start getting to the potty on time.

Lily311 Mon 15-Apr-13 20:50:24

Oh and today's joke: sold an item on ebay, buyer emailed me after 5 days that she would pay me in 6 days. I emailed back that was not acceptable and opened a payment not received case. She paid me after 6 days, cause she could and ebay closes the case. That was last fri. I sent the item that afternoon and today got an email at lunch time asking where her item was cause she paid me last fri. I mean wtf? I waited 11 days for payment and she can't even wait 1 working day for the item to arrive? I am in for a negative feedback, aren't I?

MaMaPo Mon 15-Apr-13 20:50:33

Wow. My MIL is mild in comparison. The worst she has done is turn up the day after the due date (luckily, 10 days after C's birth) and treat her holiday in London as business as usual. From 10 days post-csection I was out shopping, dining, walking across to their apartment every day or two... Neither in law really stopped to think whether this is what my husband and I wanted. We also had Christmas Day at our house which mostly we catered (not that that had been the plan) - it was exhausting. And then FIL went and had a heart attack and refused to call an ambulance... wow, December had faded in my memory, and now I remember why!

In terms of parenting comments I got remarkably few, but I'm off to Australia in a few weeks so I'm sure both mum and MIL will have something to say...

Clarella Mon 15-Apr-13 20:51:03

oh good point about breathing hmmconfused he's actually sort of leaning back though so I think ok. when I've googled it seems to be ok.

I'd say yes pr - know v little about potty training but at school in the sen world of trying to get kids to do stuff I'd call that good success and something you can build on. enough positives to really praise!! but maybe another quichester with actual experience can help

<mental note to prepare dh for possible potty training experiences >

Thanks stunt . A couple were definite accidents, and there was one this morning that was definitely deliberate refusal to go on the potty. After her nap it really took off.

And we have a pee dance now. I'm glad that all my neighbours work. It involves lots of arm waving and jumping and acting like a monkey.

Clarella Mon 15-Apr-13 20:53:08

the positioner is literally two small stuffed sausages with cloth holding together only as long as his torso so stop under his arms...

MaMaPo shock

Clarella Mon 15-Apr-13 20:56:32

night peeps as my night of cat naps begins ....

Clarella Mon 15-Apr-13 20:57:23

sleepy dust by the bagful (and functioning swaddles) to you all ....

Where is glenda ? I know she must be really busy with her course, but if you're lurking I hope everything is going OK.

Also came across nervous on another thread. Stunt maybe next thread title should call the quiche back together for a 6 month reunion update? I know some people are on fb but I have real trouble matching FB names to MN pseudo.

kirrinIsland Mon 15-Apr-13 21:18:25

detective that is a truly shit night - hope tonight is better.

My in-laws live abroad. They have never met my DDs and probably won't now. It's a shame for them but I'm glad I don't have to deal with advice. The rest of DPs family are lovely, but we don't see much of them so I am able to cope with such gems as "crying is their weapon" and "I put them in their cot and shut the door - took 3 nights" sad

I have had another down day. Not only did N fool me with the overnight sleep, but yesterday's long nap in her cot was also a trick. Totally refused it today. Got nothing done. Again.
DP just doesn't get why this frustrates me. He is starting to drive me slightly mad. But then I suppose my low mood is starting to get on his nerves too.

pr it sounds like DD is doing pretty well with the training. I'd be tempted to keep going tomorrow and see if it's better. I am being led totally by DD1 at the moment - today she had her first accident at home since Tuesday, but doesn't tell us when she wants to go, so getting her to do it out and about is going to be a problem. I'm just going to leave her doing what she's doing and move on to the next step when she seems ready.

Elizadoesdolittle Mon 15-Apr-13 21:23:18

pr I would count that day as a success. Potty training is hard. And I say that from a DD who was realitivley easy to potty train. You'll have good days and bad days. I remember getting to day 5 and thinking I should give up for a while as we'd gone through 4 changes of clothes, but then something clicked on day 6 and it was a lot easier there on. After having been dry for 8 months she then had a bit of a regression and got scared of using toilets without trainer seats but thaat lasted about a week. So what I'm saying is although you may feel you've cracked it, accidents and regressions can creap in but shes done well for day one. Keep going. Loving the crazy wee dance!

I too was thinking of glenda the other day as she was originally up for a bluewater meet. If you're reading this I hope things are going well for you.

On the mil subject, I'm very lucky. She's great and I have a fantastic realtionship with both her and my fil. In fact they are babysitting tomorrow and again on Saturday. They live 10 mins walk away so we see a lot of them. And I'm more than happy too. They are a great help to me. Bit nervous about leaving E with them tomorrow as they haven't had her since she's had the tube in.

PennieLane Mon 15-Apr-13 21:23:34

Sorry to hear all the evil MIL tales. I'm lucky with mine, she's amazing, and I never thought I'd say that a year ago! My problem is my parents, so uninterested and still just call DD The Baby.

Ouch for extraction confused

Dixiebell Mon 15-Apr-13 21:34:22

PR, definite success. On the nudeness, ds1 really didn't like the feeling of wet trousers when he had an accident - I wonder if that helps them understand the consequences of not doing it in the potty? As opposed to just doing it on the floor which isn't uncomfortable for them. Just a thought, it obviously means more washing though!

Izzybuzzybuzzybees Mon 15-Apr-13 21:35:52

J has fed loads today...could he be tanking up to sleep loads tonight?!?

BigPigLittlePig Mon 15-Apr-13 21:44:51

Really hope so Izzy!
Off to bed here, good luck everyone x

Thanks all. I will see how tomorrow goes. I'm
Very proud of her but I don't want her pressured. Dixie it's going to go cold again Friday angry so will dress her then...

I'm obviously putting nappies on for sleeps and may well do for outings over the next few weeks. I know advice is not to but I don't want her, with her constipation issues, getting too uptight about it all.

Doc wanted me to start as she has some rash that we haven't been able to get cleared. She thought removing nappies as much as possible would help.

MaMaPo Mon 15-Apr-13 21:55:21

kirrin "crying is their weapon" shock sad Babies aren't the enemy! <reminds self to re-read this and laugh hollowly at some point in the future when addled with sleep deprivation>

Best sleepy wishes to everyone. Husband is just giving C her dreamfeed now (sounds like it might have gone OK though I hear some grunting...), fx she stays asleep for a long stretch.

Everyone here asleep. I'm stuck to the news channels yet again wondering what world we have brought our children into sad

DH off to Brussels tomorrow for a couple of days. sad

TheDetective Mon 15-Apr-13 22:03:33

O went to bed at 8.40. Woke at 9.40.

WAAAAAAAAH.

<Whimpers in corner>

VQ Sorry about the teeth. DS1 has a cracked tooth. He won't let me take him to the dentist. It is slightly wobbly (baby tooth) so I am giving him chance to let the bloody thing fall out. He isn't complaining about it. Unless I tell him we are going the dentist. hmm

He will need braces at some point most likely. God help me.

I never needed braces, neither did his Dad. But his Dad has crap teeth, and DS1 takes after him. Plus he's a little shit when it comes to doing his teeth. At 11, I often have to do them for him, after I've sent him to re-do them 4 times.

TheDetective Mon 15-Apr-13 22:03:59

And if he can get away with not doing them, he will.

Dixiebell Mon 15-Apr-13 22:15:31

PR, me too. I always have that wonder/fear for my babies when something like this happens. sad

MsJupiterJones Mon 15-Apr-13 22:15:39

Poor VP!

Just had meeting about flexible working request. They will take it back to the sub committee and then the Board. Then reply with acceptance, refusal or alternative proposal. Then I may have to attend a further interview.

I'm due back in less than 6 weeks so they better get a wriggle on.

ValiumQueen Mon 15-Apr-13 22:24:37

I have just been saying to DH about the sadness in the news sad his answer is not to read it, but it is not that simple. I would rather read of some horror in the privacy of my own home than hear about it when out and about.

Here's hoping for a better night than last night

Night all x

A while ago I mentioned to my granny that I wondered what world we had brought the kids into. She said she thought the same when she was pregnant with my mum during the war. I guess each generation have their own worries and dangers, and for some reason or another our children will wonder the same when they have children, and when their childrens' children have kids too.

It's important to knwo what's going on in the world, but I guess it is best not to dwell on it too much otherwise no-one would do anything.

ValiumQueen Mon 15-Apr-13 22:36:19

Wise words pr

TheDetective Mon 15-Apr-13 22:46:31

I was 4 months pregnant with DS1 when 9/11 happened. I too wonder what world my babies will grow up in. I will have faith. We are not all bad.

PurplePidjin Mon 15-Apr-13 22:48:11

Just got in from my ad hoc youth work job to hear the Boston news sad Utterly horrendous.

MsJupiterJones Mon 15-Apr-13 22:51:14

Horrible day for shocking news stories, the teenagers in Liverpool and the woman and her children in Sussex too. But Boston obviously makes you question what's going to happen next.

Kyzordz Mon 15-Apr-13 22:59:59

Evening all, I've skimmed the last couple squillion pages in a desperate bid to keep up with you all!

Sorry to those who suffered bad nights, hope tonight is better! luis I think you are fab, det hope o settles better tonight. Take it he has his swaddle back?

vq hope valium princess Is ok

stunt I reckon we do need to call a quiche meet up for next thread as we've lost lots of people!

pr I don't remember too much about siblings and their potty training but it sounds pretty promising to me!

E has spent today drinking, eating and sleeping, and then playing up at bed time. Doing df currently. Tried to introduce tea as a second meal in the form of puréed root veg. Anyone would think I had fed him something vile tbf I tried it and thought it rank cue me moping that he'll never like real food and I've screwed him up by giving him yummy breakfast. Do I persevere with the same thing tomorrow or try something else? Was it too strong maybe or is it just because it's new? My mum thinks I've lost the plot. Ds threw his hissy fit and I muttered something about needing to ask the quiche. Should've seen the look I got! Mums dp, who has no children yet nor experience, tells me he won't eat anything else now he has had banana rusk. Why do I believe him and feel like I've cocked up? I need to grow a set and a functioning brain, too

My mum is due on 1st may, but has an appt weds to discuss/book/whatever a planned c section and sterilisation. Eek! I never thought I'd have a sibling younger than my kids but hey ho! Quite looking forward to the splash of pink smile not broody at all, oh no. Actually after today's big whine fest I'm back in camp 'more than one?! Not bloody likely'

Kyzordz Mon 15-Apr-13 23:05:36

I try to avoid the news, I know the horrors people inflict and endure and i think I'd be depressed if I surrounded myself with it. Having said that I feel it's important to be aware of these things or at least that they can happen. My 15 year old brother recently heard something about child abuse and spent an hour sobbing on my shoulder that he didn't understand how people could hurt babies and children. He had honestly never contemplated such a thing and is/was awfully naive. I love that child like innocence but also worried that he might be too trusting in people when not realising what they are capable of. At the same time, you have to trust people sometimes. It's difficult isn't it. I hope I'm making sense. He would've trusted someone who might've said 'want to check out my new car' because he wouldn't believe that someone would want to hurt him for no reason. That scares me.

On a lighter note, we'll all be safe and happy, we will, yep.

First waking already, looks like another night the same sad

kirrinIsland Mon 15-Apr-13 23:37:04

shock indeed mama - I'm not at war with my baby!! How I maintained silence I'll never know.

I've attempted to get N into her cot 3 times now and she's having none of it. Gonna be a crap night.
She fooled me good and proper with her first day of formula. Why why why did I think she'd keep doing it? Thought I had evenings back, 4 hour sleeps and day time naps, but actually I have none of the above.

Clarella Mon 15-Apr-13 23:51:30

oh no just skimmed thread to find out about Boston sad sad sad

I was popping on to share news that I have woken before baby, its nearly 4 hours. its been 6 weeks. just heard him sneeze but no wails.

GTbaby Mon 15-Apr-13 23:59:10

Sry in advance. A bit of a reflective post from me. At my mums as feeling shit. So I get help from my folks. Although LO is sleeping with me so he better sleep well.

So SIL bro n P had a baby Friday. Poor thing has had trouble breathing because some kind of blood infection. And whenever anyone talks about it infront of me I struggle to keep tears back. N I feel a prat, I should be supporting SIL not just get emotional. But I can't help it.

This also made me think about something my DH told me when I was 8months pg. his brother asked to borrow a black tie. He had to go to a furneral of a still born baby. Brother had decency NOT to mention this in front of me. But DH decided to tell me. I got very upset and then very VERY angry that he told me. I was fuming. N I remember thinking wait till I tell the thread about this. But then realised I couldn't tell you as I'd upset more preg women, making me no better then dumb H.

Obviously it's not so weird how random stuff upsets me. But sometimes I surprise myself by how much it upsets me. Like today's bombing. But as someone mentioned earlier every generation has its worries.

ChasingDaisy Tue 16-Apr-13 00:02:04

Just read the news sad. Very upsetting - the bombing and the young children in Suffolk sad

Izzybuzzybuzzybees Tue 16-Apr-13 00:03:36

I'm jealous of those on their first waking.J hasn't even made it to bed yet!!!

itsnotyouitsMeals Tue 16-Apr-13 00:16:19

Just wanted to wish everyone a night full of sleep and to keep safe.

A dear friend and her DH are in Boston as he ran the marathon. They are safe thankfully as he is a very fast runner and had long completed the race. They have 2 LOs. It's awful to think what could have been and unfortunately is for others.

Love to all.

Clarella Tue 16-Apr-13 00:22:27

oh. apparently lo woke at 10 screaming and dh decided to soothe him and he fell asleep (apparently very quicklyhmm ) still - he then slept another good 2 hours before just waking and I'm now feeding. but, it's not happened like that for ages <hopeful>

ChasingDaisy Tue 16-Apr-13 00:24:07

Oh meals thank goodness your friend is ok. I should be sleeping but am wide awake now. Puts everything into perspective.

Clarella Tue 16-Apr-13 00:25:01

oh cross post meals. that must have been very worrying but also a relief.

it makes you thankful for the little things.

shall we do thankful Thursday early?

Clarella Tue 16-Apr-13 00:28:18

and just read about what happened in lowestoft sad