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November 2012 - Poor sleep-deprived mummies (and daddy)

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StuntNun Sat 06-Apr-13 22:25:47
Passmethecrisps Sat 06-Apr-13 22:30:57

Bon soir DNA sharers.

Never been first.

Feels good.

Nice pad stunt. Like what you've done with the place.

Needs some twigs and shit though

fruitpastilles Sat 06-Apr-13 22:48:17

Happily takes second and pads back off to bed.

GTbaby Sat 06-Apr-13 22:50:10

Third n annoyingly not sleepy hmm

Catbag Sat 06-Apr-13 22:58:10

Twigs and shit, hmm <looks around critically>

Agreed grin

Pikz Sun 07-Apr-13 04:26:13

<brings some shit>

PurplePidjin Sun 07-Apr-13 06:59:05

brew <<ever practical

ValiumQueen Sun 07-Apr-13 08:06:49

thanks these are as near to twigs as I can find.

BigPigLittlePig Sun 07-Apr-13 09:20:28

Can't have brew without biscuit

TryingtobelessChunkyChick Sun 07-Apr-13 10:05:53

<carries flowers in mouth>

<crawls in on hands & knees>

<drops flowers on floor>

<crawls round & round in circles on flowers>

<collapses on flowers, curls into ball, goes to sleep>

PennieLane Sun 07-Apr-13 10:23:23

Sounds like a tramatic weekend for all!

Now that the sun is here, my attention has been turned to the mess that is my body. This IS the thread where I will start exercising and eating properly-need to get into good habits before weaning anyway. Can't remember the last time I are at a table during the day! blush

Didn't convince DH of Tripp Trapp, we're off to Ikea today!

ChasingDaisy Sun 07-Apr-13 11:29:15


Thechick Sun 07-Apr-13 11:49:18

Hello all. Hope all is well. I've been very rubbish keeping up with the thread. I do read when I can. I'm full of cold today, first illness in years and H has a cough, 2nd illness since he was born. So very lucky. He's 6 months today. I cannot believe that half a year ago I gave birth to this amazing little creature who has just grown and developed and made me so excited for the next 6 months and beyond. I'm so in love with that little boy. We started solids a couple of days ago and it's all going well. I was up half the night with a painful blocked duct, but I'm sure it's not related to the solids. He's still not sleeping very well but it's better, up twice between 8.30 and 7 am so much better than he was. Going to catch up now. Good to see you back GT

Passmethecrisps Sun 07-Apr-13 13:22:53

Hia chick! Sorry about your duct. Sounds nasty. Lovely pic on Facebook. Time flies!

Beautifully done izzy

PetiteRaleuse Sun 07-Apr-13 13:24:13

Damn, wrote a long post and the fred ended while I was writing it and I lost it. Nevermind, probably for the best. Was whiny waffle anyway.

ValiumQueen Sun 07-Apr-13 13:46:20

pass sorry you are feeling unwell x

pr apologies if my comment was the cause of said whining thanks

PetiteRaleuse Sun 07-Apr-13 14:07:31

Nope, don't worry vq smile I do everything by the book and have been over everything with the paed the last visit. And the one before that. And the one before that. The area has had a rsv epidemic, and a flu epidemic, and a gastro epidemic, but we at least avoided that one. I actually don't need to take reposnibility for all this, but that is what we do as mums. I know that if I hadn't put DD1 in creche we wouldn't have had to deal with this, but as you said it is far better to deal with everything now than later.

Every week early in the week I start checking the weather forecast to plan a weekend away. Since new year I have been saying the next decent weeekend we will go somewhere, give us all a change and a break, and we just haven't had a decent weekend when we have been well enough. We are all at breaking point. Even the bloody pets are miserable.

Though I have to say DD1 is in perfect health at the moment, other than her night time coughing which the paed says will go when the weather gets better.

We just need a break, and I need to see the sea, or the mountains. I get like this from time to time, even from before I had children. Next place we live will be closer to the sea. We'e not going to stay in this area forever.

Elizadoesdolittle Sun 07-Apr-13 14:59:24

I'm in the garden!! E has never been in the garden before. We are lying on a mat basking in the sun whilst DD1 creates merry havoc around us. Now this is more like how April should be!

TheDetective Sun 07-Apr-13 15:01:04

Afternoon fuckeroonies!

I really think pass did send the magic dung spreader out last night! Many good nights reported!

It says more that we report on the nights more than the days hmm. We are all desperate for the holy grail of 12 or even 6! hours straight sleep for us!.

O is currently snoozing in a baby bjorn. Love it! Wondered what the fuss was about! It is super bouncy! Wonder if I can get a second hand one from somewhere!

I had stuff to reply to. Erm. confused


TheDetective Sun 07-Apr-13 15:08:38

Forgot the pebbly shit. <Proffers pebbly shit with a child like grin and chubby clammy hands>. biscuit kinda looks like a pebble? Yes?

I am annoyed Eliza as it is 8-10 degrees here in Switzerland, sun behind clouds. Crackin' the flags at home well, it isn't snowing anyway! and we are not there GRRR!

Though I can't use the fucking garden because it is covered in fucking dog shit because some lazy arse needs to pull his finger out and sort it. It needs a good sorting out for spring summer.

I noticed that everyone I see around seems to have super non crying babies. I always feel like I'm the only one with a whingebag. He doesn't like the car seat when out. Wants to be held. Wants to suck your thumb, eat your hair, scratch the fuck out play with your face. BIG SIIIIIIIIGH! It doesn't bother me usually, as I just think meh, he's more of a home boy, likes playing on the floor etc. Doesn't like being out for long before he gets a cob on. But when you are with someone who is late 50's and never wanted had kids, who doesn't understand them at all, I feel like I should be doing something more?? Not sure what. I just tend to ignore the shouting/screaming, and focus on trying to feed/put to sleep/play/change/whatever the fuckity fuck he is after now. I don't think it is going down well.

Donnadoon Sun 07-Apr-13 15:26:52

Happy birthday MM
Happy half birthday to thechicksds and to my very own darceydoon 6 months today!!! Cant believe how fast its gone wipes away tear

Elizadoesdolittle Sun 07-Apr-13 15:28:52

Sorry detective. If its any consultation it looks like rain for the next couple of days. Although you may be back by then.......

ChasingDaisy Sun 07-Apr-13 15:33:19

Happy Birthday MM thanks

The sleepy dust worked its magic here last night too. 7:30-1:15-5:15-7:30. Don't think I can expect any better than that at the moment. He is 18.5 weeks so prime regression territory, so am counting my blessings.

Starting to think about weaning for when O is ready. Reading the AK book - what is everyone's take on baby rice? Worth it? Or should I just gp straight for the carrot/sweet potato purees?

PetiteRaleuse Sun 07-Apr-13 15:59:35

I have never bothered with baby rice.

ValiumQueen Sun 07-Apr-13 16:01:01

detective I wouldn't bother with a Baby Bjorn at this late stage. Unless you plan to use it for the next one. They are ok up to age 3, but when they can sit up on their own they prefer to, and if in it can throw themselves forward and end up hanging by their ankles, then there is the whole time when they are toddling and likely to fall over it. When a new baby comes they will want to sit in it again, otherwise they will not be keen as it is babyish. All this I have learned through bitter experience, but it is the best bouncer in the world from 0-6 mths. Also you have so much baby equipment and it does have a considerable footprint. It is all J has apart from the mat and bumbo, which he still dislikes.

ValiumQueen Sun 07-Apr-13 16:03:27

I used baby rice with the girls, using it as a base and thickener initially. Both times I threw away half the packet unused. I have not used it yet with J as I wanted to get his bowels moving. It is useful if you add too much fluid to a purée and I used as a first taste mixed with bm with the girls.

Lily311 Sun 07-Apr-13 16:13:49

Not bothering with baby rice. O will go straight on fruits and veggies. I actually got a small free pack from heinz babyclub, will pass it on to my friend.

I cleaned the tripp trapp today but O is not ready to go in there, I think I need to wait till she can sit properly. It looks good though.

My brother came today, i can't believe that 3 more weeks and I am moving. Will be hard not to see him for 6 months, he is wAy too busy to come out and see us.

Pikz Sun 07-Apr-13 16:21:02

We started on baby porridge today and will move on to veg and fruit next week.

He is sitting in his high chair like a big boy and loves it... He pulled some very interesting faces with the baby porridge!

He's growing up so fast!

Clarella Sun 07-Apr-13 16:26:36


Clarella Sun 07-Apr-13 16:30:39

sorry hadn't read back and started this post on last Fred - pr Im so sorry about your little ones. and what others say about immunity -in the long term they will be fine if not great though I know very little about bronchilitus. I'm sure there's been research about childhood illnesses boosting the immune system in later life inc less allergies etc. however, it so tough to be dealing with the relentlessness of it all. I bet warmer weather really will help. it'll help us all.

vq as always your advice is wonderful. dh has thew us both in the car for a drive. I've been assured again and again it's ok to take this stuff but have never done so of which I was proud. I only took half a tablet and it's a low dose of 2 a day. head hurt earlier due to crying/ overthinking and took cocodolmol which I also usually avoid .so not sure which is spacing me out. but feel ok. I ebf, g started refusing bottles but we're reintroducing. after the bf strike last night he did take a Dr brwn bottle. but definitely is a tad refluxy which is causing feeding issues though no where near as bad pre tongue tie. we argued most of the drive (I feel the pressure from dh to feed more in day so g wont feed at night but he feeds better at night) but have finally calmed and pissed our selves silly over a very funny picture of g.

interesting yw you say it gets worse post jabs. wondering if gripe water will help? gavisgon made him even more windy if it were possible.hmm

it's basically been a long month of nightmare feeding issues, water infection, tongue tie revelation, antibiotics and thrush in him and my boobs and it's triggered . bf is sucking the life out of me!

think am gonna throw those tablets out and resort to r4 chocolate and darjeeling tea next time.

Clarella Sun 07-Apr-13 16:34:29

we started our baby led weaning earlier. daktarin gel on a little spoon hmm

he was actually very good at it, but is only 17 wks.

have just had to 'fresh face' after napping and feeding disaster and screaming. it's like ground hog day again.

maybe some gavisgon is a good idea. can you give gavisgon and gripe water together?

<promises to try to be more fun in next posts>

ValiumQueen Sun 07-Apr-13 16:43:57

clarella I know exactly what you mean when you say bf is sucking the life out of you. I am really glad J is mostly bottle now. Tbh I was hoping for an excuse from about 12 weeks as it has been so bloody hard this time. I would be happy if he never fed from me again, but will continue to offer, and it is handy for settling him in the night. I loved it with the girls. The fucking lip tie has a lot to answer for. He also has a posterior tongue tie. Too late to do anything now.

ValiumQueen Sun 07-Apr-13 16:45:12

And you do not have to try to be more fun. We are a support network for good times and bad x we want you to be honest and if life is shit, say so and we will try to help, as you always do too x

fruitpastilles Sun 07-Apr-13 16:49:09

Watching a mamas and papas sola on eBay, no bids yet £50 starting bid fc!

daisychain76 Sun 07-Apr-13 16:56:43

Happy half birthdays H and d. Fx for you on the sola fruit l have one and my only gripe is the basket is too small when shoopping.

H loves baby rice and l am daft enough to stand expressing milk into it each day. Have settled on one spoon. fed thing a day and all rest baby led. By the way, if u already have AK or other baby cook books don“t bother with the BLW one, its v similar in terms of recipes.

Thanks for the recipe bigpig l may have to do a test run tonight...

Clarella Sun 07-Apr-13 17:06:26

thanks vq. i do feel shit moaning as I've a hell of a lot lot lot to be thankful for. the clouds just come down sometimes.

might post the funny pic of g on fb as it's definitely one to laugh at be thankful for!

Izzybuzzybuzzybees Sun 07-Apr-13 17:27:56

Thought I should pop in here too after getting the last post on previous thread :-)

Donnadoon Sun 07-Apr-13 17:36:44

Yeah well done for that izzy i thought you were going to be pipped to the post!

MissMummy1 Sun 07-Apr-13 17:37:49

Thank you all! Having a lovely day and feeling very spoiled. Last night was lovely, I even got a birthday shag wink !

PR sorry to hear of more bugs and poorly babies thanks

Hugs Clarella.

I threatened M with formula last night. She is taking the piss now with cluster feeding at night. She fed solidly from 2am to 4am and every half an hour before and after confused . Bottle feeding is a very tempting prospect right now...

She accidentally had her first taste of yoghurt yesterday after grabbing my spoon. hmm

YellowWellies Sun 07-Apr-13 18:16:44

Just been into Edinburgh to get DH a new suit as there's a few headhunters sniffing round. We were going to meet up with pals from south with their 4 month old up for the day but cancelled when J was ill - we bumped into them anyway. Said 4 month old is bigger than J.

Passmethecrisps Sun 07-Apr-13 18:41:38

YW there are two babies at baby sensory - one is 6 months old and the other is 2 days older than P. both are tiny in comparison to P. remember that for every baby who looks like they could eat J there will be another he could pop in his pocket

Passmethecrisps Sun 07-Apr-13 18:43:07

Maybe that's what pockets in baby clothes are for <ponders>

Passmethecrisps Sun 07-Apr-13 18:46:49

DH took P for a walk earlier and I got a snooze. Snoozes are like snorting coke I reckon. But cheaper.

P has been a bit out of sorts today as well. We were at a party last night and I think it knocked her for six. We went saying we would only stay an hour or so. We got there at 6:30 and said our goodbyes just after 8. We had explained we would be leaving early when we accepted the invitation and were told it was all fine. Not so fine at 8pm when we get the hmm looks and "oh. But I wanted a wee shot of the baby" What is that? A wee shot? She's not a fucking pony.

Pikz Sun 07-Apr-13 18:47:32

Pass I love you! You make me smile!thanks

I need some quiche advice. My 19 week old long and heavy LO has taken to eating 8oz every 3 hours or even less. His sleep is good we get 1 wake up sometime at 3/4am or even sleep through. However it seems like a lot of milk for him and I'm worried I'm over feeding? We started baby porridge today but obviously be a while before it has any effect. Is this ok?

StuntNun Sun 07-Apr-13 18:52:52

Just watch the weight gain Pikz, if he doesn't stray far from the centile then it's all fine.

TheDetective Sun 07-Apr-13 18:54:08

Pikz 8oz 5 times a day? Sounds fine. That's 40oz.

Pikz Sun 07-Apr-13 18:57:46

Yeah about 45oz ish in total a day.

I think I stress as he was V shaped breech so born on 9th and now 98th but ebf for 13 weeks only on formula for last 6 week. He is 98th for height too.

ValiumQueen Sun 07-Apr-13 19:01:29

pikz you are both doing fine. Just don't start feeding him chocolate and crisps just yet.

Pikz Sun 07-Apr-13 19:01:56

VQ I promise to wait a few weeks for that wink

Sophiathesnowfairy Sun 07-Apr-13 19:02:08

I love you too pass I smiling.

Is my last day of maternity leave.

DH has surprised me with champagne and nibbles, starters and dinner. grin

ValiumQueen Sun 07-Apr-13 19:07:10

We all love pass and she has a great rack.

sophia boo to going back to work. Yay to DH doing that smile

ChasingDaisy Sun 07-Apr-13 19:12:51

Sophia what a lovely thing for him to do smile

fruit I love my Sola, fingers crossed for you.

Pikz O's cousin is 20 weeks and eats a very similar amount. He was 6lb 1oz at birth and is now much further up the centiles. He was obviously supposed to be bigger than his birth weight suggested. Certainly doesn't sound like massive amounts to me.

I can really see O's personality developing. Think he is going to be a real livewire smile

Am nervous about weaning, particularly given the feeding issues we are having. He just doesn't seemed fussed by eating at all. It just seems like such a big thing to get right and I want him to have a good relationship with food. I have had a borderline eating disorder (I know, I've almost clocked up the full set of MH issues...) so am wary of being too strict about foods. There is also a strong family history of allergies and he already has eczema, so I'm very nervous about it all. Feeling quite daunted really confused

YellowWellies Sun 07-Apr-13 19:17:29

Pass thank you hon! You make me smile! I know they come in all shapes and sizes. I also bet that Jonas as the eldest haggis baby will be the wee'est when we meet on Tuesday. We should get a photo of Jonas and Jacob together as they are just a couple of days apart but the 2nd and 98th (is that right VQ?) centiles and a gorgeous visual reminder of what is normal and healthy.

Just listening to my DH bathing Jonas to a chorus of giggles. Anyone else's baby laugh like a squeaky toy?

PR I'm the same - sometimes I just have to get out to the mountains - luckily I see the sea everyday. I just need it to recharge my brain.

Am I sad?! After bedtime tonight I'm really excited to be ordering a new dishwasher and washing machine for the new house. I've checked out 'Which' and picked which best buys. I'm excited about this. I used to do crazy drugs and travel the world - what's happened!!!! shock

PetiteRaleuse Sun 07-Apr-13 19:25:23

I used to have a great rack envy

Wondering if coke would be easier to come by than a snooze. Hoping we will actually sleep tonight. DD1 went without a nap today and is wired. I wish I could apparently have more energy when I don't sleep. Is that an age thing?

Sophia good luck with your rtw.

Pikz I wouldn't worry too much about him eating too much. He will sort himself out. DD1 was 98th centile til her pneumonia and would eat loads several days at a time, then less for a few days. Babies are pretty good at sorting out what they need. Problems with weight gain at this age is more when they aren't gaining enough. So I have been told.

Lily311 Sun 07-Apr-13 19:29:37

chasing just go with the flow, don't stress yourself. Introduce veggies, fruits than move onto the next stage. Milk still has to be their main food till age 1 so you can't go wrong. O licked carrots, apple and broccoli this week, I think she swallowed only apple. She is getting ready but I don't push her. I will start properly in a month time but I am already introducing taste and texture.

Passmethecrisps Sun 07-Apr-13 19:30:19

blush I am glad my pish makes you lot laugh! My rack bears more resemblance to a pair of week old balloons now in comparison to the freshly blown they were before. Meh. That's what bras are for. Just for your information!

sophia!! Tomorrow! Get that bubbly down you. How do you feel about it? I bet you will have a great day actually.

pikz L is a strapping lad so don't worry. They have different appetites just like we do. I genuinely believe that at this stage just feed as he wants. I do wonder if he could be encouraged away from the night feed - purely as he obviously doesn't massively need it. Making the formula more dilute over time could help. If he still takes it and you are happy to give it then all is well.

Clarella Sun 07-Apr-13 19:43:41

argh! definitely need gavisgon here.sad wtf. not sick just screams when starting to feed and suddenly very burpy again which makes him scream. sad angry sad angry

StuntNun Sun 07-Apr-13 19:49:19

Bfing mummies, DH is pining for an Indian takeaway. I have been avoiding spicy food as a precaution but had salt and chilli squid on Friday and J was okay. Is a curry a really stupid idea or not?

Pikz Sun 07-Apr-13 19:52:55

Stunt I ate curry when bf. it just made the poo smell of garlic a little!!

Thank you... Will stop being neurotic! I have weaned the night feeds down and he does 7.30 til 6am usually with nothing. 1 night in 7 he wants milk at 4.30am so I let him as he's starving and will take 8oz.

Lily311 Sun 07-Apr-13 20:00:55

Ate curry too. No change in her at all.

BigPigLittlePig Sun 07-Apr-13 20:03:34

pr if I'm really overtired (not chronically sleep deprived though) then I go a bit mental cleaning. After night shifts, my house used to be spotless.

stunt I have had korma/tikka masala but haven't dared to brave anything stronger. Didn't seem to have any effect on F.

We had a nice afternoon at friends, roast beef for dinner with about 8 Yorkshire puddings, yum. F has had 4 feeds all day. Either she's decided feedings for wimps, or I'm in for a shocker of a night. Bit worried about mastitis too...

TheDetective Sun 07-Apr-13 20:06:15

We are taking O to an aqua park tomorrow. The kind with slides and whatnot. This one to be precise.

Well, it will either be fab, or a fucking nightmare!! Still, there will be 4 of us. I just hope DS1 doesn't do anything stupid very likely when it comes to O. hmm

Anyone got any ideas how to broach the fact that we are all really hungry? I don't usually eat breakfast, but I would like something to snack on mid morning, fruit, bread, whatever. After lunch at 12.30ish, we are having the evening meal at 7-8pm, which is normal for us, but we do usually have a small snack in between. And access to drinks. And the meal sizes are smaller than we would usually have. I have no money - my Dad promised to exchange some francs for me, but every time I ask he makes an excuse. Other than when we got cheese, but he swapped the exact money.

So I can't buy anything myself.

Still, suppose it is only til wednesday. And I'll lose some weight. Which will be very good for me!!! It's DS1 mostly doing my head in whinging in my ear for food! There isn't anything in to snack on either. Had a sneaky look! No fruit bowl.

YellowWellies Sun 07-Apr-13 20:06:23

Stunt no issue with homemade curry here - don't know about takeaways as I can't have the ghee due to CMPI.

StuntNun Sun 07-Apr-13 20:09:36

Excellent news, that'll be curry for my birthday dinner tomorrow then.

Elizadoesdolittle Sun 07-Apr-13 20:09:55

Yay I just won a Tripp trapp on eBay for £51. Saving of £70 and was very close to buying a new one so am very pleased.

chasing don't bother with baby rice. I have started E straight on carrots and butternut squash. Not sure how much she takes in, is very early days but she's been more than happy with it so far.

fruitpastilles Sun 07-Apr-13 20:18:25

Yay, well done eliza

Sophiathesnowfairy Sun 07-Apr-13 20:21:10

I have to catch up with Fred and I am probably past the fact. (Bringing up the rear as usual.) but I wanted to say........

pr please stop feeling down and responsible for all the illnesses. Some things just are. We spend so much time trying to think of reasons for stuff when they are part of the tapestry of our lives and how we are who we end up to be. Your girls will probably end up to be really healthy and strong and partly because of what has happened this winter. I think O has had a cold (just a cold nothing like what you have been through) ever since the day he was born, and taken into SCBU because of his breathing. He is still full of snot. And through it all he smiles.

You have done nothing but be a loving mother trying to make the best decisions and choices for your beautiful daughters. <hugs>

ValiumQueen Sun 07-Apr-13 20:22:08

yw 91st for weight, 98th for height. Jonas was 4 weeks early? Jacob was 1 week early and weighed 9lb. Get a pic of Jonas between Jacob and James and he will look like a hot dog.

YellowWellies Sun 07-Apr-13 20:26:58

Wahoo - I've just got into a pair of size ten jeans so decided to get on the scales. I've lost 20 lbs since we left the island in January.

Ok the dairy free diet can do my head in at times (am sure none of you had noticed, blush grin <ignores mild chocolate psychosis at Easter>) but meh it has it's benefits. This is what comes from having sorbet as your best available pudding. And not being able to eat much bready stuff or creamy sauces. I've basically been forced to eat healthily against all of my natural preferences.

But I'm under 11 stone again. Get in! At this rate I'll be under 10 in 7 weeks. Then I must eat lots of pork pies to stop losing any more shock

YellowWellies Sun 07-Apr-13 20:28:45

VQ grin grin grin grin grin grin haha let's do it!

Evilwater Sun 07-Apr-13 20:28:47

I need the knowledge of the quiche!
This weekend N has been crying/screaming every afternoon, he has been arching his back pretty much all of the afternoon. He doesn't want to sleep at all, he dosn't want any milk, and walking him around I'm the pram won't settle him. Swaddling him dosn't seem to help at all.

Any idears?

PetiteRaleuse Sun 07-Apr-13 20:32:04

Thanks sophia

Detective was your dad always this controlling about money? From a lot of your posts about him I'm somehow not too surprised at what you're saying today. It would drive me mad angry

YellowWellies Sun 07-Apr-13 20:34:24

Evil is he only happy when upright? Burpy? Angry / frustrated / pain cries? If so reflux is my usual guess.

TheDetective Sun 07-Apr-13 20:35:39

Sometimes only the mummy entertainment system will do for O when he gets like that Evil. He wants me to sing to him. Action songs, lullabies etc. Then play with him. Stand him up, bounce him, rock him. He lets me know when a change is required by whinging. So we move on to the next activity.

He's getting quite demanding with his wants and all the time I've got to guess what the screech means.

Or he could be thirsty?!


Passmethecrisps Sun 07-Apr-13 20:37:57

Lol at a little cracken dog.

Ehm. . . Oh aye!

When I was in Mexico years ago I was utterly amazed to see proper tiny babies eating crisps covered in proper full-on chilli sauce. We bought some of these to see how hot they were and the sauce was burn your skin hot. The babies had it all over their little faces. Certainly worth a punt at a curry.

Who was saying the other day that they feel as though they have the noisy baby? Some people might remember that I had an aunty with terminal cancer and I was mulling over a visit when P was a few weeks old but then never made it. Well, she died last week so I was all busy making plans to attend the funeral. My mum calls and asks if I am planning to attend. I say yes. She says "eeeeehm. What are you planning to do with penny?" I explain that she will have to be there with me as DH is off to Prague. My poor mum had to say she didn't think that this would be for the best. I am absolutely 100% cool with this (a lot but relieved actually) as when I turned to look at p she was saying "ooooooooo WAAAAAA OOOOOO. Aaaiiiiiiiiiiiiii. Tttttthhhhhrrrrrrppppppp ping" Just to herself. In an empty room. Probably best not to take her to an echoey church - I cannot imagine how much she would enjoy her own voice pinging round the rafters

ValiumQueen Sun 07-Apr-13 20:38:01

yw you saying reflux is as predictable as House saying it is not Lupus grin you are right though. It does sound reflux-y

ChasingDaisy Sun 07-Apr-13 20:39:53

Evil the arching back and screaming sounds reflux-y. I know you mentioned you were weaning, have you tried a new food with him recently which may be disagreeing with him?

MissMummy1 Sun 07-Apr-13 20:40:49

I am lying on the mattress in M's room watching TV on the laptop. Headphones in and trying to attempt CC against my better judgement (she is fed, changed and cosey in bed - there is absolutely no need for her to be whinging other than the fact she wants to be in my bed). Just caught the wee pest watching the screen through the bars of her cot...

Wayhey YW - when I stop BF'ing could be tonight... I think I will take a stint at dairy free to shift my cake rack!

Det your dad sounds like a dick. Sorry you are hungry!

Sophia all the best for tomorrow ! xx

Pass regularly causes me to spray tea/juice/water all over the lappy screen with her witty banter! grin

Sophiathesnowfairy Sun 07-Apr-13 20:42:19

pass I work from home on a Monday so I will mainly be dusting my laptop! Looking fwd to the social side and adults to talk to, a bit meh about having to use my brain.

yw on y list of ace things I did on my 40th birthday appliance shopping was to near the top to mention!!! (As was bedtime)

Passmethecrisps Sun 07-Apr-13 20:43:06

Oh and det hmm. They sound like fannies. Tell your dad you need cash and make sure he sorts it. I hate feeling like I am standing on ceremony. You have a ten year old - he shouldn't be restricted drinks!

YellowWellies Sun 07-Apr-13 20:47:38

I know VQ I'm like the kid in sixth sense - except its not dead people I see everywhere but immature tummy sphincters and intolerances. Next time I'm going to say 'measles' just for shits and giggles.

Pikz Sun 07-Apr-13 20:52:31

<posts detective pepperonis and lilt>

Pikz Sun 07-Apr-13 20:54:02

Eliza well done on TT! Bargin

YW am very envy

Happybigfday MM wine

Good luck tomoz Sophia thanks

Passmethecrisps Sun 07-Apr-13 20:59:18

Lol @ YW being like House. Brill VQ.

Personally YW I think that there are few things more awesome than white goods purchasing. DH is a Which-a-holic. I have never done drugz (pass the doochie to the left hand side please passme if you don't want any - I was always very good at ensuring fairness at the passing) and have only travelled as a teacher. I get my kicks buying awesome fridges, biatches!

Izzybuzzybuzzybees Sun 07-Apr-13 21:02:58

yw I'm looking forward to meeting you and Jonas. We can do the 3 J hotdog and I agree with vq he will look teeny. My J is a monster, 98th centile last weigh in and most likely off the chart now as he jumped up a scale every time he was weighed!

We went swimming again today, was fun. J fell asleep the minute he was zipped into his snowsuit!

We only had two wakenings last night which is massively better than the 7 or so the previous few nights.

Tomorrow I have physio and then we are having a couple we know round for dinner. I'm making lasagne so out goes the diet again. I'm actually dreading going on the scales!
I'm pretty sure I've put weight on, how embarrassing!

Passmethecrisps Sun 07-Apr-13 21:04:58

And shit, bugger, balls! chasing I share your complete and utter terror of weaning. It just seems so huge! For the same reasons as you. I just want P to enjoy food, know when she is full and not be afraid to experiment with new tastes. When we had P in the hospital when she was refusing to eat one of the docs said "oh. She's a modelling type - all skinny with bad breath". It made us laugh then and still does but I think of it when I am basically pining P down for 'just one more oz'. DH said to me the other day, very gently, that he worried that I might cause an oral aversion. He's not wrong given how she reacts to the muslin! Let's make a pact to just chill and enjoy the 'food is fun' stage.

MissMummy1 Sun 07-Apr-13 21:06:16

<runs into thread>
<drops to knees>


<crawls under duvet>

Passmethecrisps Sun 07-Apr-13 21:06:59

Woot woot MM!

Go to bed!

YellowWellies Sun 07-Apr-13 21:09:29

Pass maybe give her a muslin to play with - its one of Jonas' favourite games - trying to nom a muslin until he gags.

Woohoo MM How long did it take?

Woop Woop MM1 and Happy Birthday too wine
M is in her cot asleep too, she's been shattered since we got home at four but refused to nap bar a five minute post-feed lull. She is now sparked out in her cot. I'm feeling sleepy so I may go and join her now

I think she might be teething, her temp is slightly high and her cheeks are bright red, plus lots of drool and chewing.

Another Q about DHs notice, will they have to pay him for any holidays owed? His hols run jan-jan and he's only taken 1 days so far this year.

Kyzordz Sun 07-Apr-13 21:15:45

Hello shiny Fred that I'm pretty sure I haven't posted on yet so I'm reading through and wanting to reply with us type stuff but won't because it's going to just be a massive woe is me post

Hope you're all ok, pass you do make me laugh

det steal your dads dinner from his plate? Get ds1 to distract him. In all seriousness I would probably die if restricted from food. Eat the cheese?

hope you all have good nights, I'm wanting mostly to not wake up from mine I don't mean this, not completely, I am just of the stress today

Passmethecrisps Sun 07-Apr-13 21:19:23

Muslins are deeeeeelishas! Shlorp, schloop. Yum yum.

ValiumQueen Sun 07-Apr-13 21:27:34

fatima yes, they will be obliged to pay any AL owed.

izzy I guess swimming three times a day to aid naps might be a bit difficult to achieve.

J was awake from 3 to 9. He could not settle due to poo, or lack thereof. When showed the suppository pack he squeezed out a small amount and felt a lot better. Poor little bugger.

Sophiathesnowfairy Sun 07-Apr-13 21:31:03

What a fablas birthday present mm! Good news indeed. Xx

Thought so VQ Poor J. I test suppositories, the infant ones look so small, now we know what they get used for smile

M loves nomming her muslin and her sleeves and her top and the strings of my hoody, basically anything

ValiumQueen Sun 07-Apr-13 21:32:09

We found the dining room, except it is now a craft/computer/music/reading room. Managed to shift a lot of crap out of Js bedroom too. DH has finally volunteered his study to be the crap depository. I have been wanting to suggest this since the blue line, but it needed to come from him. He now thinks he has a much bigger office with occasional visitors.

I am sorting out baby stuff to sell and donate. It feels good. Funny how I could not do this after Boo, even though we had decided to stop at two. Clearly we were waiting for J but did not know it smile he is the cherry on top grin

Evilwater Sun 07-Apr-13 21:33:07

yellow and detective he prefers to be upright, but nothing i do seems to make a difference. sad he just so angry and upset, I'm at a lose end.

ValiumQueen Sun 07-Apr-13 21:33:28

fatima you test suppositories? What a shit job grin

ValiumQueen Sun 07-Apr-13 21:34:06

Do you really test suppositories?

MissMummy1 Sun 07-Apr-13 21:35:11

25 minutes. Fuck.

Passmethecrisps Sun 07-Apr-13 21:39:20

I am sorry evil. It is awful when they are like that. Have you tried a dose of calpol? He could have a headache or something similar. If P is very out of sorts I try even half a dose to see and it usually sorts her right out. What else could it be? Wind? Constipation? Have you cycled his legs? Massage? A warm bath?

Passmethecrisps Sun 07-Apr-13 21:41:43

Shit, bugger, balls MM. Let's just hope that she was just saying hello and goes back down for, say, 10 hours

Passmethecrisps Sun 07-Apr-13 21:43:35

3 Til 9 VQ? My goodness I think P would expire if she was awake so long. Poor wee man.

How exactly
Do you test suppositories?

Evilwater Sun 07-Apr-13 21:46:08

MM1 yay!!!
YW are you are Dr. House quiche?
fatmia I bet your glad of the extra money
big I'm glad you have had a better time.
Sorry if I've missed any one out.

ValiumQueen Sun 07-Apr-13 21:49:54

pass I really do not want to contemplate that for too long.

YellowWellies Sun 07-Apr-13 21:50:39

Evil when J's reflux is bad there isn't anything I can do other than cuddle him when he cries and make sure he's medicated for stomach acid suppression. That's what makes it so heartbreaking there's not much you can do other than that. Big hugs to you hon xxxxx

Evilwater Sun 07-Apr-13 21:51:29

pass it's Deffo not constipation, my mum and I have tired calpol and it's not really done any thing. It's not a new food as he has had rice pudding today. I don't think it's wind as he 6 months and should be over colic.

Ill try a warm bath tomorrow.

MsJupiterJones Sun 07-Apr-13 21:55:35

Hello new thread! Trying to catch up on reading rest of last thread and all of this one. Obviously forgotten what I was going to say to whom already.

Firstly Happy birthday MM! The weather came out for it. It was my Mummy's birthday today too (I don't still call her Mummy though). We took her to the Bowie exhibition at the V&A and L was really great, I think he enjoyed it me dancing with him.

Pass I'm sorry about your Aunty but that did make me smile with recognition. L is a real babbler and turning in to a right squealer too. It was Clarella and also me (and also... Kyz maybe? blush) who said we feel like ours are the noisy babies. DH said he doesn't even think about it bothering other people but I cringe, I'd hate to think I was spoiling someone's day/flight/funeral.

Love to PR, Clarella, Evil and anyone else suffering with illness, feeding or general stress. We had a shit night last night so I've given him an extra ff today to see if that helps.

thanksthanks and sleepy dung to all xx

Thechick Sun 07-Apr-13 21:58:00

Passme it's all better now, but last night it was so awful and I was in so much pain. I thought all this blocked duct malarkey was behind us. Happy half birthday to Donna's LO I really can't believe it's been 6 months!! Thanks for the well wishes Daisy. You've already hit the 6 month mark haven't you??
We are using baby rice. H loves it, but we have other fruits and veg to try also.

Haha yes I do really test suppositories, in fact I think we're the market leader in constipation suppository manufacturing grin
Sounds shit but I love my job. I test other things too, not just suppositories

ValiumQueen Sun 07-Apr-13 22:08:23

But how?

Fucking app cannot find this thread so I am on safari. Off to catch a gazelle...

BigPigLittlePig Sun 07-Apr-13 22:09:36

Evil have you got a sling? That's helped F massively the past few days, I wore a shiny clean stripe in the kitchen floor this morning, pacing up and down til she settled and fell asleep.

Whoever it was I sent the carrot cake recipe too fecking baby brain they are delish. DH "doesn't like carrot cake" so I told him they were cinammon and raisin. He loved them. He was not impressed when I revealed their true nature, but could not take back the praise mwah haha. I am a pro at hiding food within food. The grater and the blender are my friends grin

Bit nervy about weaning here too. Just because I haven't got a clue. Garden keeps putting lovely pics on fb of her girls with various delights, I'm quite sure F will have to make do with much duller food hmm

DH is watching a programme about tarantulas. I am doing my utmost to not hear or see it.

I'm a microbiologist so I test them for microbial contamination after manufacture. Involves lots of things I won't bore you but mainly putting them in a colourful broth, doing different tests and seeing of anything grows

Kyzordz Sun 07-Apr-13 22:23:55

Hope you find something that works evil

Oops mm has she gone down again now?

I am terrified of weaning. Think it looks like garden is doing fantastically! I can't even manage feeding e a fucking bottle without fucking it up. Got 4oz into him before bed. Why doesn't he want milk anymore?!? Been in tears all aft. Got so frustrated then felt wank for doing so. Think my head might explode. Least he is taking a dream feed

repeats to self it could be worse over and over, rocking and crying in the corner

BigPigLittlePig Sun 07-Apr-13 22:27:13

Kyz I'm wondering whether they suddenly drop the amount of milk they need. For weeks I've been reading of babies having only 5/6 feeds a day and thinking how strange it was as F was having at least double that. Within 2 days she's halved the feeds and seems fine with that. Odd. Am trying to ignore enormous norks and roll with it.

Fatima CV is winging its way over - not sure how useful it will be.

I'm off to bed now, fingers crossed and toes

<retreats, muttering sleep-inducing incantations to little pig>

Izzybuzzybuzzybees Sun 07-Apr-13 22:38:11

J is asleep. He will want fed before I go to bed. So I am watching broadchurch.

YellowWellies Sun 07-Apr-13 22:40:32

BPLP ha Jonas took half an hour of sling walking today to get to nap. Looking at my pedometer it took 2000 steps - that's over a mile - am sure I wore a groove on the living room floor. Little bugger.

He seems to be making up for the last few days hunger strike. Both boobs at bedtime - hope he'll sleep later than 3 for his first feed. Sleeping through seems too much to hope for, but he did it for 8 weeks.

kirrinIsland Sun 07-Apr-13 22:53:53

Can't keep up....

I've had a friend staying for the weekend so I've hardly got on here at all - no idea what's going on!

N has slept for about an hour all day and is now spark on me. This is going to mean either a really good or a really bad night. Last night ahe only woke once ........ But for 3 hours sad She was perfectly content and smily - just very definitely awake.

Wishing you all lots of sleep and no wake ups xxx

Izzybuzzybuzzybees Sun 07-Apr-13 23:08:29

Right j woke up and has fed a bit so now going up to try transfer. Hoping for no wake ups but know I have no chance!

<waves to new thread>

Eldest DS is in hospital for 2 weeks from tomorrow so J and I will be joining him.
It's going to be a real bastard of a fortnight but needs must!

J isn't doing too badly, feeding, sleeping still in our bed!! although I did have a slight melt down today after deciding J must be developmentally behind because he's too small to sit properly in the upright gym thing blush he's actually fine and dandy but I'm a worrier and slightly hysterical from stress.

What I would like very much is to spend a night with just DP to be just a couple again and to have vast amounts of sex it's frustrating that I can't e en cuddle him because J is constantly on one of us or yelling!

Oh and eldest is ado going through a SENCO assessment at school so that's all going on, poor DS2 he's suffering because he's so easy and stress free!!! He'll like some quality time with DP though while the rest of us are away.

Expect to hear from me a lot over the coming weeks, hospitals are snooze fests.

Izzybuzzybuzzybees Sun 07-Apr-13 23:36:48

Sorry to hear you will be in hospital tits that sounds like a nightmare.

I am bed hooked up to a tens machine for my pelvic floor! Physio gave me it weeks ago and I hadn't used it yet, bad patient. Remembered last night that she said she could track how often I'd used it so getting some sessions on before it needs returned on wed!

Transfer went well so J is asleep and I hope to be after I've done my fanjo physio!

YellowWellies Sun 07-Apr-13 23:51:27

Got up to bed after the King's Speech to find J wide eyed and doing high kicks with a delighted grin <face palm> we got into bed and turned the light out largely ignoring him. He chirruped away happily then let out the loudest old bloke fart, at which DH and I lost it and DH released an identical sounding fart. A quick impromptu feed then back to bed for him. Still its better than him waking 20 mins after I've nodded off....

ChasingDaisy Mon 08-Apr-13 00:19:06

Oh kyz are you ok? Please don't feel like a failure for E being difficult feeding at the moment. Lots of us seem to be having the same issue at the moment, every feed is a battle here and I am obsessively counting the number of ounces he has each day. Four months seems to be a tricky old time for babies.

4.5 hours for first stretch of sleep. Not as good as yesterday but I'm happy if he manages at least 4 hours.

ChasingDaisy Mon 08-Apr-13 00:33:11

Luis I hope the fact that we haven't heard from you means you are managing to get some sleep.

As an experiment I just put O back in his cot awake and he seems to be self settling....

Lily311 Mon 08-Apr-13 01:23:31

Second feed already. I am shuttered. Fuck you sleep regression.

PurplePidjin Mon 08-Apr-13 01:38:03

R's feeds are dramatically shorter suddenly too. I'm convinced he can't be full, yet he doesn't get hungry again for 1 1/2-2 hours after a 5-10 minute feed confused

Dixiebell Mon 08-Apr-13 01:40:19

Never seem to catch up these days! Am up feeding in bed, DH asleep next to me ( won't mention it's only 3 hours since dream feed, and time between night feeds is reducing, WTAF Teddy?!). Clicked on pass's link to the disgraceful song for babies and it started blaring out straight away. DH was not amused.

That's it. <shuffles back into Fred about 20 pages behind everyone else>

LuisGarcia Mon 08-Apr-13 01:48:49

Chasing L is in pain, J is having nightmares. Both want me to sleep on their floors. We have had 3 weeks of D&V and colds between us all. Oh, and a whole bunch of stuff no one cares about. I'm just feeling subdued and sorry for myself, and you are lovely for noticing and caring.

Bryzoan Mon 08-Apr-13 02:05:31

Sounds crap Luis. Hope everyone feels better soon in every way. And that you actually get some sleep regardless of whose floor it is on.

kirrinIsland Mon 08-Apr-13 02:54:07

sad Luis hope everyone is better soon and that you get some sleep.

And thanks tits I hope DS1 is ok and that the whole thing isn't too stressful.

This is wake up 1 - so 3.5 hours - not too bad, just hope she settles again a bit quicker than she did last night.

PetiteRaleuse Mon 08-Apr-13 03:13:15

That's crap Luis
hope you all feel better soon.

GTbaby Mon 08-Apr-13 03:33:48

I remember a time when LO didn't wake at night any more hmm in India it started again n now he wakes everyday at this time. LO please go bk to 9 hour sleeps hmm please.
I was about to get very upset during the night feed. But he looked so darn cute.

Right reduce night feed starting tomorrow !

ChasingDaisy Mon 08-Apr-13 03:46:44

Luis sad we care about the other crap too if it helps you to vent.

3 hours for second stretch of sleep. He self settled last time so happy with that. Think he wakes because of the cold. Roll on spring.

PurplePidjin Mon 08-Apr-13 05:02:54

Luis, spill thanks

Clarella Mon 08-Apr-13 05:10:24

oh Luis big quiche hugs.

been hourly since 1:30. I know the gavisgon will have created wind. feeding to sleep stops tomorrow.

baby thrown in hammock.

ValiumQueen Mon 08-Apr-13 05:14:21

We do care luis

8 hours, woken by DH getting up and his sodding alarm.

Those scared of weaning, do not be! It is fun. Another activity to do with baby that is both enjoyable and funny. Watching their little faces reacting either positively or negatively is great. Seeing the excitement and anticipation when they see the bowl coming etc. enjoy it as it is not so much fun when they become fussy toddlers.

I really like the purée approach as you cannot go wrong, and a bit of cooking at weekends means it is just a case of popping out a cube or three and warming. With a selection in the freezer you can have an endless variety of yummy meals. Add in porridge and you are sorted.

ValiumQueen Mon 08-Apr-13 05:24:23

J is snuffly and coughing again poor wee man. It is very cold tonight. I think clearing the crap out of his room has made it colder too.

Dixiebell Mon 08-Apr-13 05:31:11

Oh how I love the sound of shouting, gurgling and farting in the (ridiculously early) morning. And that's just DH (boom boom). hmm

StuntNun Mon 08-Apr-13 05:33:01

Oh Luis you're not in an easy position having to sleep on the floor. It can't be very good for your sleep quality. Can you get a night off at all, maybe once the illness has passed?

J did six hours between feeds: 11-5. Sleep regression is definitely over. Phew. Was it supposed to last four weeks?

ValiumQueen Mon 08-Apr-13 05:35:53

Stupid app. Finally found the new thread. Cannot believe you have to refresh most active ffs! Safari was doing very silly things so had to give up with that.

J is still coughing away poor little sod. He is quiet on his room though so I cannot complain. He loves his cot and knows exactly what it is for. His room is where he escapes the madness of the day. They will all get that soon and you will all start getting sleep again. He is nearly 24 weeks now.

He has started looking really quite sad when we are eating and he is not. He knows what he is missing now I think. Today I will give him tea too as up until now he has only had lunch.

Another good thing about weaning is that daddies get quite excited about helping so you can get a break of you want. smile

ValiumQueen Mon 08-Apr-13 05:38:44

Yes luis can the missus take a turn? Or does she just lie there farting and snoring like our menfolk?

ValiumQueen Mon 08-Apr-13 06:38:53

Well, J has not settled so my day started at 5am. I said to DH that if he is going to set his alarm for stupid o'clock, at least have the decency to tell me, and that he had woken J. He denies waking J. Fucking coincidence then. Sodding alarm followed by niagra piss, when the bathroom is right next to Js bedroom. When his sisters cough can wake him from the other side of the house, it does not take a genius. In a fucking bad mood as I have a splitting headache and all three to contend with today.

Pikz Mon 08-Apr-13 06:49:56

Big hugs Luis. Can anyone give you a respite?

VQ that is shite. My day started at 5.45am when LO decided it was up time but he has a cob on so god knows how today will go!

Tits I hope the hospital is ok.

I hope everyone else is still in the land of nod... I can not moan here as I got 7.30-5.45 with a loud cry at midnight for which I switched Ewan on and gave a cuddle. Can they get nightmares at this age? That's what it sounded like.

PetiteRaleuse Mon 08-Apr-13 06:50:28

Oh good. Another week of snot, shit and screaming starts.

Got up this morning and the dog had shat on the door mat. Great start to the week. Something is stressing him and I can't work it out. Unless we are getting intruders în the garden. But he didn't bark. Fucker. Every day I am getting clser to losing it and rehoming the pets. And hate myself for not coping wijth them.

Sophiathesnowfairy Mon 08-Apr-13 07:13:42

We are greeted by an early morning tantrum oh joy.

fruitpastilles Mon 08-Apr-13 08:05:41

vq do you mean to find this thread you refreshed most active? If so, you don't have to do that, there is a tab on the bottom, the star with 'I'm on' if you tap that it will bring the thread up. Just ignore me if that isn't at all what you are on about smile

kirrinIsland Mon 08-Apr-13 08:06:18

Uh oh Sophia Toddler tantrums are really not how you want to be starting the day thanks

[PR] I am not coping so well with my dogs either. They are still young and enthusiastic and I just don't have the patience to deal with them on zero sleep. They still jump up, esp at DD1, and bark at nothing and I spend every meal time returning them to their beds every 5 minutes and I'm sick of it sad

N only woke twice last night, which would great if she went down a little earlier; but twice between 11 and 7 is still every 2-3 hours. Yesterday she slept less than an hour all day. She is starting to look tired - 5 month old babies should not look tired. I have to do something but she will not self settle - just gets really upset - and I can't spend ages pushing her round in the pram or anything like that because of DD1. Letting her CIO looks like the only option, and I just can't do it.

PurplePidjin Mon 08-Apr-13 08:09:57

<sneaks in with brew for everyone>

<hands round healthy porridge with banana, dried fruits and seeds>

<whispers: 8-1, 1:30-4:30, 5:30-7>

<sneaks off to hide from fish-wielding harpies>


fruitpastilles Mon 08-Apr-13 08:10:29

I'm also worrying about weaning, I am off to a weaning class today though so hopefully I'll feel a bit more confident after!

PetiteRaleuse Mon 08-Apr-13 08:28:18

LO was just up once, at 4 for about 15 minutes. I haven't slept since.

I assume I just have to let her sleep this illness off. She is drinkingnan ounce here and there, doesn't seem dehydrated, not interested in her purees, coughing a lot. Since her lungs were checked on Friday , and she hasn't exactly deteriorated I guess we just have to sit it out.

We all have the same cough, but the rest of us are dealing with it better and it has't affected our appetite.

Spent yesterday evening looking at a place we wanted to go to in Alsace, near the mountains, for a few days in May. Picked the perfect place only to find it's booked up completely right through May sad

It's really hard to find somewhere that suits us all. This place was just right, ticked all the boxes. We go away so rarely now I look for something that is really going to suit us. Nothing luxurious, but I don't sleep in tents either (bad memories). We focus our trips on views, silence, walks and what the local food and wine specialities are. And when it is just for a weekend no more than three or four hours drive.

Bugger. MIght try the black forest in Germany.

Clarella Mon 08-Apr-13 08:36:27

<throws fish at pidj>

<raids matchstick factory and constructs scaffolding for eyes>

<chucks half a tub of cocoa on porridge>

should sweary Wednesday be brought forward for everyone?

oh pr big hugs. I so wish it would all calm down for you.

sorry for tantrums and early wake ups.

this baby really did not need all those feeds in the night. they're much shorter so am going to start to see if we can push it a bit. he's started nodding off again as soon as picked up, its the put down that's the issue. I don't like the hammock but it does encourage longer sleep from him so think will try for a bit again. our longest ever stretches ever of 5 hours were in it at 14 weeks but also when he was only pooing at midday.

<scuttles off to reread stunts sleep training manual again>

Lily311 Mon 08-Apr-13 08:50:06

pr hugs. Ill babies are never fun.

O was up at 10,1,4 and 7. This is the baby who only woke twice as a newborn. Than slep through for 3 weeks from week 10. I am really fed up waking as often.

Elizadoesdolittle Mon 08-Apr-13 08:59:39

tits sorry to hear about your hospital trip. Hope it goes ok for you all thanks

E woke once around 5am. Have her a 15min bf followed by tube then she went back till 7:30 when we had cuddles in bed till DD1 came and joined us for more cuddles at 8am. Lovely way to start the day.

Am off to collect my Tripp trapp this morning and then off to a weaning talk this afternoon. I puréed a butternut squash yesterday and got enough to last 2 weeks. Think I'll mix it in with some other stuff as it will get very dull otherwise.

StuntNun Mon 08-Apr-13 09:00:29

Quick question peeps, my DH gave me a Kindle Fire for my birthday then said he could change it if I didn't like it. Now I'm not sure whether I need a tablet really. I have a Kindle 3 that I prefer for reading since the screen isn't backlit, we have a desktop and a laptop computer, and I have an iPhone that I use for MN the Internet, email, etc. I suspect the main use it would get would be for my six year old to play games on. Now if it had been a Kindle Paperwhite I would have been delighted at the upgrade because I have loads of books on my Kindle. Any advice please?

PennieLane Mon 08-Apr-13 09:04:36

GT we were the same. Had a good 6/7 weeks of going through the night which have stopped now. She seems to be really hungry so am trying to squeeze another feed in during the day, which seems to mean she goes for longer but hasn't stopped night feeds! I don't understand!

MsJupiterJones Mon 08-Apr-13 09:05:27

Ooh. L fed at 9.30, went down around ten and then I only remember settling him once or twice before he woke for a feed at 4.30. Ok he only had another hr after the feed but that's still progress. Stunt our sleep regression seemed to last weeks too, although it was combined with cold and formula issues so hard to tell exactly.

Currently trying to coax/feed/sing him into a nap as he's been awake since 6.30 but he keeps stuffing his fist in his mouth and then complaining when the milk stops.

Sorry to hear about your hol PR you need something to look forward to. Black Forest Gateaux sounds nice too though.

We covered puree weaning at the New Parent classes but I have just read the BLW book and DH is reading it now so we might go for that. I am also nervous but also super excited about all the stuff VQ mentions.

PetiteRaleuse Mon 08-Apr-13 09:07:15

I'd keep it or exchange for the paperwhite stunt

Though personally I would keep it. You can still use your old kindle to read, but the fire will open you up to so much more opprtunity to timewaste. And yes, great to occupy older chidren for a short while if you need to.

ValiumQueen Mon 08-Apr-13 09:27:56

fruit this thread did not come up on threads I'm on. Just the last one. I had last posted on that one with the app and been on the iPad for this thread. No worries. Found it in the end.

TryingtobelessChunkyChick Mon 08-Apr-13 09:29:51

Missed 3pgs or something confused

DS was odd last night. Bed ok but woke a couple of hrs later & wouldn't settle w/out a feed, so used it as the dream feed & went to bed myself. I think he stirred at 5.30 but was awake when DH got up (so snap VQ) so fed him at 6.50, then he slept again until 8. Just had another feed though confused and is grumpy.

stunt I have an iPad from work & that's quite handy but if you'd prefer a paperwhite, why not exchange it?

ValiumQueen Mon 08-Apr-13 09:35:57

stunt I love my iPad. Nothing else compares IMO.

StuntNun Mon 08-Apr-13 09:37:40

It's the screen of the Kindle 3 that I prefer because it isn't lot so it doesn't cause eye strain, you can read it outside and it doesn't interfere with melatonin production and stop you getting to sleep. The Kindle Fire is a lovely thought but, to me, combines the worst features of the Kindle range with being a not particularly good tablet in terms of apps etc. It would be different if I didn't have an iPhone but I already use it for everything even online Tesco grocery shopping, news, weather, MN, Facebook. I even have the Kindle app so I have something to read while waiting for appointments. I think I might ask DH to exchange it for the Paperwhite. I suspect he has designs on my Kindle 3.

StuntNun Mon 08-Apr-13 09:38:36

I wouldn't be complaining it it was an iPad VQ apart from about the cost but then I definitely wouldn't be able to prise it from DS2's grubby little fingers!

BigPigLittlePig Mon 08-Apr-13 09:45:51


Slowly slipping back into more frequent wakings again, and I'm not sure why. She seems happier today, more chatty and smiley, so I'm not sure whether to go to the GPs or not. I think I'd feel like a massive time waster as she's quite contented.

DHs alarm often wakes F up, but he is not capable of getting up after the first time it goes off, it snoozes about 4 times. Or he turns it off, like today, then has to get ready in about 5 minutes when he accidentally nods off again.

Luis you've listened to our rants and moans enough, 'fess up.
Stunt I have no idea re: kindle, as am about as technologically unadvanced as it is possible to be.
Lily sorry to hear you're in the sleep regression club too sad

Passmethecrisps Mon 08-Apr-13 09:46:42

Gooooooooood morning duders.

tits sorry to hear of hospital visit. We shall take seriously the task of ensuring there is plenty of chat for you to read to stave off the boredom

pennie is sudden wakening after sleeping through not a sign of a need for weaning? Or is that an old wives tale?

Tried little miss modelling type in a sleeping bag for bedtime 2 last night. Lasted half an hour. She just seemed a bit confused and I was too knackered and pissed off to stick with it. Better planning required for that I think

Passmethecrisps Mon 08-Apr-13 09:55:48

stunt I would change it. I think you have plenty browsing devices. Nice thought though.

BP p is a master of making me look like an idiot in front of Doctors. If you have an appointment I would still go even just to chat through the last few days. I am glad she is better today.

Limpit80 Mon 08-Apr-13 10:10:48

Morning all,
Still catching up! But
Stunt I would get the paperwhite, for the reasons you said really.
VQ You've made me all excited about weaning now! Am a bit worried though his we are going on holiday not long after we start and Im unsure how to manage it in a hotel. Any ideas anyone?
Sorry to hear that so many of you are having bad nights flowers
I need some advice please. LO will not sleep in his cot anymore. He only ever did a few hours at a time, but now not even that. Last night I was in the bedroom form 7.30 till midnight picking him up and putting him down!sad. In the end I gave up and put him in with us and he slept for 5 hours then 3! Longest ever! How can I get him to stay in the cot for longer than 15 mins?

LuisGarcia Mon 08-Apr-13 10:21:59

Stupid night.

Thank you all. MrsG is as always brilliant, and is sending me back to bed once I've been to the doctors. (I've knackered my knee). I don't know how those of you who are not a team with your partners cope, which is why I don't want to be a moan.

TooManyDicksOnTheDancefloor Mon 08-Apr-13 10:22:12

Morning! We've been to the doctors this morning. B had her third set of jabs and I had a smear (sorry Luis). B was very brave, only cried for a minute and promptly fell asleep, I was less brave when I heard the clanking of metal as the nurse cranked open a proper old school speculum! I thought they used a plastic funnel thing these days?

We've also hit sleep regression territory. She's not feeding more but she wakes up every 1-2 hours. I've moved her back into our room in her little crib so that I can lean over and put her dummy in without having to get out of bed.

So sorry your DS is having to go into hospital tits sad

PennieLane Mon 08-Apr-13 10:23:19

pass is it? shock I haven't heard that one. I think you might be right, she is hungrier. <sound of penny dropping on floorboards>
GT have you started weaning? Did it make any difference?

Perhaps we should give it a go. Feeling nervous now!!

I've read both purée and BLW books and I think we're going to go with BLW. I know it's less popular on here, but it seems to fit best with us, and like everything, that's a good basis for making a decision!

PennieLane Mon 08-Apr-13 10:24:37

Rant away luis that's what we're here for. Enjoy your nap!

I'm sorry to hear of hospital visit tits

BigPigLittlePig Mon 08-Apr-13 10:53:41

pennie when I was pregnant, I loved the idea of BLW. I still do, but cannot imagine that F will be able to feed herself anything in 5 weeks time, as she can't pick things up yet. We'll be doing a mix I imagine.

Just managed to make myself feel a bit travel sick, by reading a book whilst pacing with F in the sling blush. Bloody idiot.

Lily311 Mon 08-Apr-13 11:22:35

luis moan away pls.

We all have different problems and the support we get here is invaluable. I will join soon the 'hug needed' club, in 3 weeks time my OH would have turned 36, in 7 weeks it's the anniversary of his death. Emotions are building up and I'm pretty sure the meltdown will follow soon enough. I'm ok for now.

Passmethecrisps Mon 08-Apr-13 11:23:37

Where is this baby's off switch? She just never stops. Be at peace please baby!

PetiteRaleuse Mon 08-Apr-13 11:24:19

Taking dog to vet tomorrow. He's not himself. Very stressed and the DAP collar isn't working. Growling for no reason, barking at nothing... And the added destruction and loo habits etc.

Hoping the vet will be able to find a reason. It's too recent a change to be linked to LO's arrival. He loves children anyway.

Clarella Mon 08-Apr-13 11:56:53

oh lily hugs a plenty for you.

just been to Hv led weaning session. they mentioned waking more in night if previously slept well (ha we'll never be ready then!!)

g stood up on my knee excitedly expecting songs n stuff to start. was properly bored by the end but refused boob as was tired - he definitely expects me to go and lie down with him sometimes now. I was jealous of these other babies quietly sucking. he makes such a song and dance!

they also said if starting at 6mo make the food more lumpy. then they said they didn't see the point of blw if waiting till 6 mo because of this confused however an lll meeting I went to on blw were quite happy to get extra calories into the lo with yogurt etc. I'd see the blw as a play activity almost.

I really want to do blw but I honestly think this lo will be an early mover - he's nearly cracked independent sitting up at 17 weeks - so I'll either have to start mix feeding with formula or do mushy + ebm weaning to simply get calories into him.

seriously thinking a hand pump is going to be useful soon. and starting to freeze milk too. hmm

Passmethecrisps Mon 08-Apr-13 12:09:46

I know you will have the thoughts of the whole quiche in the coming weeks lily. Does your move coincide with these dates?

I have decided I am just going to do 'whatever weaning'. P is 5 months next week so I will start looking for signs that she is interested. I will have a few bits and pieces of mushed stuff in the freezer all ready and then introduce other finger bits as and when. It won't be fully BLW and it won't be full whatever the other one is called. I think a lot of my anxiety certainly has been caused by BLW Vs traditional. We don't need to pin our colours to a weaning mast.

BigPigLittlePig Mon 08-Apr-13 12:15:13

Lily thanks

F has found her voice again, the gaviscon is clearly making her so much happier if we ignore the happy thing that is a gaviscon poo She has been cooing to herself/me/playmat/cat/thin air for about 45 minutes now. She's making up for lost time, I suspect!

PennieLane Mon 08-Apr-13 12:21:15

That's useful, thanks clarella I might start this weekend, need DH around! I thought I'd get the extra cals in with yoghurt etc too, she sits independently at 5 months so i think we'll need them too. I just don't think I'll actually puree anything. Let's see. I'll probably have done a complete u-turn this time next week. She's 5 months on Sunday and can pick stuff up and bring it to her mouth, but doesn't seem interested in food. I think I may have missed all signs, because she's only 14lbs, seems too small to start!

thanks lily early hugs go out to you. xxxx

ChasingDaisy Mon 08-Apr-13 12:22:54

Lily thanks. You will certainly be in my thoughts, as you often are.

I agree with you pass about weaning decisions. I think that had been a source of my anxiety as well. I think I will start with purees and give him finger foods to play with as well.

I am looking forward to weaning giving mine and O's day more structure. I am planning to start with a lunchtime meal and making it a regular daily thing of me and him sitting down to lunch together.

Anyone else's periods been worse since giving birth? I never suffered with mine but they have now been very heavy and painful. I want to curl up on the sofa with a hot water bottle but I have a hyperactive baby who needs entertaining sad

Clarella Mon 08-Apr-13 12:38:48

<does a jig on the quiche>

just fed lo sitting on my sofa watching great british menu (I know late to the party as always!) no traipsing up to bed after failed attempts!

double check what foods when though - I think yogurt was ok. someone said cow and gate do a good list of what when etc (possibly in a cook book??)

I'm really looking forward to it. 9 weeks to go!

PetiteRaleuse Mon 08-Apr-13 12:57:23

Weaning is masses of fun. I've said my piece on BLW in the past. Purées at first for me, as I wean early, followed by finger foods as and when are how I do it. I don't understand the antipathy towards purée to be honest. It is a great way of having them taste different things. That said LO grabbed some bread from my hand yesterday and started sucking on it - she's too young for bread so I took it away before she pulped it enough to eat, but she got a taste.

Pig you'll be amazed at what she can do in five weeks. Picking things up and putting them in her mouth will just happen one day. In a week, or two, or five. They just suddenly get it.

Just had a newsflash on my iPad that Thatcher is dead. Is this true?

PetiteRaleuse Mon 08-Apr-13 13:02:14

It appears to be true.

Pikz Mon 08-Apr-13 13:04:42

It is true PR

I am doing a mix like you PR. starting with purée and going to bits they can hold.

PetiteRaleuse Mon 08-Apr-13 13:19:43

Just heard awful wheezing coming from LO's pram. Freaked out then remembered she is in her bed. It was the fucking cat.

BigPigLittlePig Mon 08-Apr-13 13:25:09

Another trip to the vets, pr?! Better than the paeds I suppose...

PetiteRaleuse Mon 08-Apr-13 13:26:49

Managed to grab her and chuck her outside before she vommed at least. Don't always get a wheezy warning.

PetiteRaleuse Mon 08-Apr-13 13:27:57

The paed is closer and a lot funnier than our vet. Might take the cat along too, but I know the next time i take her will be the last sad

Pikz Mon 08-Apr-13 13:42:11

LO appears to have got out of wrong side of his crib today!

kirrinIsland Mon 08-Apr-13 13:47:54

thanks lily

I spent an hour trying to get N to sleep in her swing while DD1 napped. All I achieved is tears from both of us and a baby who still hasn't slept. I did PUPD, and she cried in the swing and then slept on me as soon as I picked her up, only to cry again as soon as I put her down. After an hour I admitted defeat. I don't know what to do now.

I will be doing purees, but not for a few weeks yet. I'll do some finger foods as well, but mostly purees.

I am still fighting with myself over introducing formula. I guess guilt trips are part and parcel of parenting!

TryingtobelessChunkyChick Mon 08-Apr-13 13:49:59

Judging by A's nappy yesterday, he actually ate some of the cooked carrot still he was chewing/sucking on.grin

I think 'modern' purees are all about tastes & introducing finger foods at 6+mths. I think BLW (or baby self-feeding as the UK site suggests) is more a reaction to the now out-dated almost force-feeding of purees to get calories into babies, as used to happen. Now "food is fun til 1" is accepted regardless of bf or ff, the weaning route is relatively similar. I don't know anyone that does or has done 'pure' BLW. I used some spoon feeding of porridge & yog, which is technically not BLW. IMO the only rules you should follow when it comes to weaning are food safety ones - no whole nuts, avoid gluten at first, well cooked eggs, no honey etc etc.

I give A bits off our plate or that I'm giving DD in the evenings to have a play with but I don't consider it weaning. He went mad for the pear, ate almost half of one & cried a bit when it was gone, had a gnaw suck of carrot and thought cucumber was pointless but I don't think of it as 'weaning'. When he can actually pick it up & independently wants to eat it, then I'll do it properly, introduce porridge and a range of finger foods etc. At the mo, he doesn't have the hand-eye coordination to hold it properly & get it in his mouth.

Lily no words, just hugs for you.

BigPigLittlePig Mon 08-Apr-13 13:51:28

kirrin I can't bring myself to introduce formula - I think I will find it easier to do gradually alongside weaning. I've also temporarily given up on the nap mission, and will try again in a few days - although it's harder when you've more than 1 I know.

fruitpastilles Mon 08-Apr-13 13:54:48

I had my weaning session today as well clarella I think I will be doing mostly purée with a few finger foods, the finger food will just really be for her to play around with mostly though.

Quiche advice needed! S has always been a good sleeper, she has slept through from 10 weeks but just lately she has started waking at around 1:30, she happily lies in her cot, doesn't cry or anything but she chatters soooooo loudly. Next door have a 2 year old and her room is next to S's I worry that she is so loud she will wake her up. She doesn't go back to sleep either, last night I was at her cot for an hour and a half holding her hand and trying to get her back off, in the end I brought her in our bed and she went straight to sleep. Dp moaned about this as we had said we wouldn't bring her in our bed because we don't want her to get used to it, I have no idea what to do to get her back to sleep. Sorry for waffling.

TryingtobelessChunkyChick Mon 08-Apr-13 13:57:05

The only thing to watch out for BPLP when introducing formula at the same time as weaning is adverse reactions. I.e. is it the banana or the formula affecting wind/constipation/reflux/eczema etc. Might be easier to do 1 at a time... Remember though, that by the time they're on regular 'meals' they're usually on fewer milk feeds too, so it might not be as hard on you then anyway iyswim.

PetiteRaleuse Mon 08-Apr-13 14:07:25

Newsflash. LO had a 4oz feed earlier on. This is the most she has had in one sitting in days. And she is coughing less lucky her could there be a light at the end of the tunnel?

BigPigLittlePig Mon 08-Apr-13 14:08:23

I had worried about that chunky. I just worry about when I'm back at work, as she'll be at the CM 8-5 so likely to need either ff or ebm during that time, and I'm not sure I'll be able to express enough and work full-time. I suppose I'd have to treat ff as a new food, and introduce it on its own and not alongside other new foods.

Do some babies manage with no milk feeds for that length of time (7 hours ish)? Just water and solids? And then bf in the mornings/evenings/nights? I'm probably worrying unnecessarily, she'd probably scoff a bottle of ff with no problems at all.

ValiumQueen Mon 08-Apr-13 14:15:25

I do not understand why people are against puréed food. It is just mashing it well, like you would for anyone with no teeth. J went bonkers for pear today grin

Heard from the dietician, and she thinks it is CMPI caused by untreated reflux FFS!!!! She thinks he will get worse soon on the SMA LF. Apparently babies often do well for some weeks on it, so are lulled into a false sense of security. I felt really really upset and angry after hearing that sad she also said to definately not give any dairy when weaning, which is completely the opposite of what HV said.

J is struggling to poo, and doing small grape sized bits with a lot of effort. I am giving extra water, prune juice and pear. Tried to give him a suppository but he cried and immediately pushed it out. I guess that is to be expected, but it really upset me. Poor little lad.

ValiumQueen Mon 08-Apr-13 14:19:56

bp in order to maintain bm feeds with my girls I had to build up quite a big supply in the freezer. It is very hard to pump that much on a daily basis. I would recommend introducing the odd bottle of formula from any time now, to give it time to react, if at all, before first tastes. It will do no harm and will take a bit of pressure off. I used to be very anti ff for my own kids, so understand where you are coming from totally, but try to see it as a positive, a first taste etc.

ValiumQueen Mon 08-Apr-13 14:21:12

I have put pics of the gro bags on FB.

PetiteRaleuse Mon 08-Apr-13 14:34:32

pig when will this be? From 8 months or so morning and evening feeds would probably be ok. Cows milk can be introduced as a drink from 12 months or so I think. DD1 won't touch any milk other than formula. It's getting expensive. Sometimes I try and´trick her by mixing with cows milk, but she takes a gulp and spits.

PetiteRaleuse Mon 08-Apr-13 14:45:50

Ooh look what I learned to do: bear

ValiumQueen Mon 08-Apr-13 14:50:13

pr how the fuck do you do that? Very impressed!

ValiumQueen Mon 08-Apr-13 14:51:08

And do your girls cry if they have meds up the rear?

PetiteRaleuse Mon 08-Apr-13 14:51:27

[ bear ]

Without the spaces smile

ValiumQueen Mon 08-Apr-13 14:52:13


ValiumQueen Mon 08-Apr-13 14:52:32



PetiteRaleuse Mon 08-Apr-13 14:52:45

No not usually. I put a drop of water on the end before putting it in. Or if due to constipation maybe a little vaseline as they generally have a sore bum from straining the last poo.

ValiumQueen Mon 08-Apr-13 14:52:50

Oh well, worth a try grin

PetiteRaleuse Mon 08-Apr-13 14:53:43

Only works for bears grin

BigPigLittlePig Mon 08-Apr-13 14:53:52

vq grin

pr she'll be 7.5 months

ValiumQueen Mon 08-Apr-13 14:54:10

pr I did that. I guess he was really sore anyway. He is not used to feeling anything going out anyway, let alone going in. Poor boy.

BigPigLittlePig Mon 08-Apr-13 14:57:40

One born every minute has me in tears every week. I am so incredibly grateful for the straightforward birth I had, and that F was healthy.

kirrinIsland Mon 08-Apr-13 15:14:21

grin VQ

PetiteRaleuse Mon 08-Apr-13 15:14:37

There are baby laxatives that you put in the milk or juice but I only used them in extreme circumstances with DD1 as apparently they can get dependent on them. And it was much later on that I used them when everything else failed.

TryingtobelessChunkyChick Mon 08-Apr-13 15:18:22

VQ did you decide what to do about DD's birthday?

Rashly I invited 10kids + DD (& DS obviously) so glad a couple can't make it wink

DS is point blank refusing to self-settle today angry

PennieLane Mon 08-Apr-13 15:44:21

PR it is true.

fruit I asked a similar q earlier, DD has been sleeping through from 8 wks give or take odd hiccup and 11 hrs for 6/7 wks...people mentioned its a sign of needing to wean which could be true here. She's got her BCG tmrw so I'm going to talk to HV then.

I'm not anti puree, I just can't be areas to do it (plus we dont have a microwave and a tiny freezer so all the batch cooking lark wont work for us) and will just give her what we're eating. I'll spoon feed yoghurt and porridge as that's breakfast around here but will just give sticks of apple to go with it as I can't be arsed to mash it. And then just vegetables that we're eating etc. it's not true BLW but an adaption really.

PennieLane Mon 08-Apr-13 15:45:19

VQ I'm sorry to hear conflicting thoughts from the doc-just when you thought you had it sorted!

TryingtobelessChunkyChick Mon 08-Apr-13 15:56:48

pennie that's exactly as I did BLW & why - I'm lazy wink

Watching a programme about my home town & where I live now on BBC 2, which is weird. smile

PennieLane Mon 08-Apr-13 15:58:05

I don't know if this affects anyone but Morrisons (and presume others) are limiting the amount of formula you can buy to two per customer. I think it's because of supply issues. It was all types in my local one.

ValiumQueen Mon 08-Apr-13 15:58:59

The eagle has landed and I have had an inconsolable baby for the last half hour. He is now glued to my boob.

PennieLane Mon 08-Apr-13 15:59:46

hmm VQ

wink Pass

ChasingDaisy Mon 08-Apr-13 16:02:34

Pennie according to BBC News it is all supermarkets and affects Aptamil and C&G. Due to popularity of foreign made formula in China.

Better not bloody lead to panic buying.

ValiumQueen Mon 08-Apr-13 16:06:10

penny the eagle being the constipated motion

fruitpastilles Mon 08-Apr-13 16:08:46

Yes that maybe the case here pennie she's 21 weeks tomorrow and although I did want to wait till 6 months, she is showing other signs as well, I may try her with some carrot purée next week see how she goes.

vq grin

GTbaby Mon 08-Apr-13 16:16:46


Penny have only started weaning today. Although have LO sweet potatoe mash last week. But sleep was off before then.

Am laying on the sofa. LO is on play matt on floor nxt to me. He was asleep until the phone rang (a wrong number angry) now I'm laying very still. Avoiding eye contact. Hoping he will get bored n fall bk asleep. I was just about to mk myself lunch confused.

Lots of thought on the weaning thing. I too am going for that whatever thing. I puréed carrots n broccoli separately. In freezer ready for the nxt week or so. We tried carrot today n he sneezed. shock So funny having carrot all over me. Anyway I've noticed him putting his toys in his mouth today. So maybe he really liked it? grin Going to have some banana today when DH is done at work. Just so he can get involved. As he gets better at putting food in his mouth ill give him finger food as I feed him purée. That way he gets to play with food but I will know how much he's eaten.

RESULT. HE is asleep. Going to tip toe to kitchen now wink

GTbaby Mon 08-Apr-13 16:30:41

As if! Eat with no wingeing baby? Yeah right. Well ill be thankful that he was asleep while I made my sandwichhmm.

BigPigLittlePig Mon 08-Apr-13 16:34:26

Just made some pear puree and sweet potato puree, got all inspired and had to use up leftover bits and bobs. F had a lick and a nom of a chunk of pear, held by me. She sucked it so violently at one point I thought it was going to disappear and that's when I decided to halt proceedings blush. Still. She seemed to like it. Her face was a mix of grin, shock and confused. My reward? A poonami. Thanks.

Pikz Mon 08-Apr-13 16:34:51

One baby for sale... Shall put him up for auction on Facebook page...

ValiumQueen Mon 08-Apr-13 16:37:18

I cannot recall who it was who asked about weaning whilst on holiday in hotels - you could take frozen stuff in an insulated bag for the first couple of days and then have fruits like papaya, banana, or avocado. The amounts at this age will be small and are just tastes. Any warming can be done by hotel staff or even using a kettle and bowl combo. There are of course jars or pouches of first foods.

TryingtobelessChunkyChick Mon 08-Apr-13 16:43:05

I know a few of you are sling-experts... I think it might be worth getting a more structured baby carrier, particularly one my DH can wear. I have a Close Carrier but now DS is at least 15lb, it feels a bit too "flimsy" and as a just-in-case one to use on hols in the summer, I wondered about an Ergo? Any thoughts? Thanks. smile bear

Clarella Mon 08-Apr-13 17:27:31

I love the boba 3g chunky

MaMaPo Mon 08-Apr-13 17:42:14

Chunky, I really love the ergo. Fits me and my 6foot2 husband easily and we can both carry our daughter, who is 16lb+ already, for hours at a time. We use it every weekend.

YellowWellies Mon 08-Apr-13 17:43:01

VQ I'm in the market for 4 new sleeping bags - neutral or boyish. Could you bring them to IKEA tomorrow so I can choose. (indecisive cow emoticon) blush . Sorry to hear about the CMPI, given how rare true lactose intolerance is in babies it was my first choice diagnosis (but it always is!!!!) - CMPI is a bugger but long term much more likely to resolve itself than LI.

Pass we're going to do both types of weaning too. Got the dietician on Friday - been waiting for that then will get on with it.

We've had a lovely day round at the new house trying to measure up whilst carrying a nosy baby!!! Didn't get a lot done hmm envy

TryingtobelessChunkyChick Mon 08-Apr-13 18:00:06

Thanks mamapo & Clarella. Going to do some more research but its good to know it fits both of you ma - I'm 5'3" on a good day and DH is 6' & a half inch, don't forget that but we're also v diff builds, he's brick shithouse territory & I'm slimmer. I need something that alters a LOT!! What type do you have mamapo?

YellowWellies Mon 08-Apr-13 18:03:48

Chunky I've got the original Ergo and love it

PurplePidjin Mon 08-Apr-13 18:20:02

I have a woven, and dp uses a borrowed Beco Gemini. I didn't get on with the library Ergo, had clips in my armpits hmm so would suggest you try a few on first smile

StuntNun Mon 08-Apr-13 18:38:05

DH is off to Tesco to change the Kindle Fire for a Paperwhite AND he says he'll buy me something else with the £50 difference hope it's lots of wine!

Reflux sufferers, my J hasn't been diagnosed with anything but he's still being sick all the time, about half the time just in his mouth yuk half the time possetting but occasional big pukes. I'm wondering whether weaning might help. He's 21 weeks this week so it's not exactly early weaning. Is it likely to help or am I grasping at straws? I'm going to see the GP on Wednesday but I wanted to assay the collective wisdom of the quiche.

Lily I think if you're prepared for an emotional floodgate about your DP then it will be easier to handle. I'm a big believer in giving vent to these emotions, it isn't pleasant but there's a catharsis to it that helps you to remember the person you've lost positively rather than trying not to think about it. It can be hard to talk about grief in RL but remember here is a safe place for you to write thoughts that you don't feel able to say. We'll be here for you.

Kirrin I just let J have formula the one time (when I was unexpectedly delayed in collecting him from the ILs). He probably won't have it again for a while but now he's had it once (and glugged it gleefully) I won't be so worried the next time he has it. I also took it to mean that he doesn't have CMPI since he was absolutely fine afterwards. Also remember one you start introducing solids the virgin gut is lost so there's no real reason not to introduce formula (assuming no CMPI).

BigPig my DS2 wouldn't take a bottle when I went back to work at 5 months so I reverse cycled him by feeding him through the night and immediately before and after nursery so he didn't need much milk during the day. He was weaned at four months due to lactose overload so he was just getting water and solids at nursery. He loved the dried spaghetti bolognese baby food and had that every day for lunch <sigh> couldn't get him to eat real food!

Btw waking in the night after sleeping through is not a sign that baby needs solids, this is an old belief and many HVs will still follow it. When you introduce solids your baby will take less milk so they will still be taking the same amount of calories. The current belief on readiness for weaning is when baby is showing an interest in food, can sit up and can put things in their mouth. Note that all these things are just theories, no one seems to have any evidence so you're best to follow your instinct. For example I tried J on some baby rice and he wasn't that fussed about it so I left it for another couple of weeks. If he had gobbled it down I probably would have continued. In the end you should do what feels right to you.

GTbaby Mon 08-Apr-13 18:40:59

Wish I'd got a sling for LO. hmm Now he is to big.

Clarella Mon 08-Apr-13 18:50:24

have to say, the boba is dhs, I'm really into meI tais - have a baby hawk but will eventually get a better one I think with a wider waist. the boba lasts till quite old and dh loves it.

Clarella Mon 08-Apr-13 18:50:38

mei tai

Clarella Mon 08-Apr-13 18:51:20

I'm angry a post I did at 3 is not here angry angry

Clarella Mon 08-Apr-13 18:51:21

I'm angry a post I did at 3 is not here angry angry

Clarella Mon 08-Apr-13 18:51:21

I'm angry a post I did at 3 is not here angry angry

PurplePidjin Mon 08-Apr-13 18:56:04

GT, i imagine R will still be carried well into the 3s. Certainly for most of his 2s. A woven, appropriately sized mei tai or decent ssc will easily last that long - and you might find it useful to wrap the new baby while you scamper round after a 1yo wink

Lily311 Mon 08-Apr-13 19:03:49

Thank you for the support, you are all awesome. I am ok but getting teary easily in the past few days, haven't had a good cry though yet. I am giving back the flat to landlord on his birthday and stay with friends for another 2 days. We are flying on the 3rd May and visit his grave and his family for the first time since his funeral, he is buried in a 3rd country where he originally was from. My parents will drive there and pick us up, I wouldn't be able to do this on my own. Than a 13 hour drive to Hungary. So yes, it will be hard but a must.

As for weaning, I introduce purees with small lumps and lots of finger food. My girl is ready, she had a bit of my apple again and went histerical when I took it away from her. She is such a monkey, smiling now all the time.

We had two poonamies today. Both on tube while I was holding her. White tights became yellow very quickly, the people must have had a good giggle after we left. We had a physio app today and she screamed all the way through. Poor little monkey.

GTbaby Mon 08-Apr-13 19:07:30

Yes PP planning on getting one for this new baby.

got to look at new car seat for LO as well. He is getting to tall for the cabrio fix.
QQ. If I follow rule of 1 hour gap between eating n sleeping. Is that ok for LO?

ChasingDaisy Mon 08-Apr-13 19:15:30

Lily you always come across as so strong. Please feel free to cry to us if you need to. Are you looking forward to moving back to Hungary?

Just gave O his first successful bath since his screaming fits last week. I waited until his eczema had healed and that seems to have made the difference. He was probably screaming in pain bless him sad

Have earmarked 25th May as the day for weaning to start, just a few days before his 6 month birthday. I think he is ready for weaning in the sense that I think he would like New tastes. He really doesn't seem to like the taste of milk much and I think he would really love it, but my instinct tells me he isn't ready digestively. He still takes very small feeds etc so will be waiting until 6 months.

YellowWellies Mon 08-Apr-13 19:28:06

Stunt the dietician advised we wean late but think that was largely to do with the CMPI rather than reflux per se. Having a consultation on Thurs as apparently weaning needs to be done a bit more carefully - so will share any tips. If anyone has any questions you'd like me to ask - just shout smile

BigPigLittlePig Mon 08-Apr-13 19:28:52

Stunt how often did you find you were up feeding in the night? That is the only thing that concerns me, as I need to be rested enough to perform well and safely at work. I can't really plan, as things change so much anyway.

Clarella - so angry you had to say it thrice wink
GT I may be wrong, but I think someone said on here before that, even if LO looks too long for the seat, you should go by weight alone? He may of course be heavy enough for the next stage seat anyway so I'll shut up now

Forgot to say, F managed to roll from her front onto her side today. And then got stuck. Halfway to rolling properly though [proud emoticon]

Lily311 Mon 08-Apr-13 19:38:58

chasing no, not really. But it has to be done. I am not ready to go back to work and I Can't support ourselves in the UK. We have a flat in Hungary and the cost of living is significantly less. I can carry on with the property business part time and have a decent life with O for the next 3 years. I won't say I am strong, I just tend not to let my emotions take over. I am a mess really.

Good news on bath! I have had a bath with O in the past couple of days, she absolutely loves it. It also helped with breastfeeding, she has been pulling away. So anyone struggling, I suggest bathing together and let her latch on.

ChasingDaisy Mon 08-Apr-13 19:43:22

Lily I would say that not letting your emotions take over requires strength. You can always let your guard down with us here so that you aren't keeping things bottled up.

If I remember rightly you have family in Hungary? I feel better knowing you will have a support network out there smile

Clarella Mon 08-Apr-13 19:44:05

blush blush blush

Clarella Mon 08-Apr-13 19:50:26

chunky, one thing about buckles I actually don't like is that you have to keep adjusting them. I was surprised to find I prefer mei tais as the straps and knot are actually quite easy to tie tightly and quickly.

Passmethecrisps Mon 08-Apr-13 19:54:47

Evening all.

Thanks for putting tha straight stunt. It is one of those things I keep hearing.

I am angry and sad for you and J VQ. Although as YW says he is likely to grow out of with without much difficulty.

I also got some good tips from the dietician YW - maybe we should join forces? I thought what I was told would be helpful for any parent actually.

Lily311 Mon 08-Apr-13 19:54:49

Just read the article on the formula. Surely that means that now everyone is going to stockpile?

Clarella Mon 08-Apr-13 19:56:22

quiche am gonna catch up proper later been packed off to spare room and dh has ebm. will be interesting.

<chucks a bucket of sleepy dust onto the heap>

Clarella Mon 08-Apr-13 19:57:49

earlier lost post included sad angry for you vq. v frustrating sad

PetiteRaleuse Mon 08-Apr-13 20:00:57

Wonder if we'll be affected by the ff shortage here. Would hateto have to switch to Nestlé <spits>

ChasingDaisy Mon 08-Apr-13 20:02:50

That's what I'm worried about Lily

ChasingDaisy Mon 08-Apr-13 20:06:18

MM how did the rest of your night go in the end? Any more success with the cot?

Detective have you wasted away with lack of food yet?

Bryzoan Mon 08-Apr-13 20:07:48

Chunky I love love love the boba 3G and carry both g and dd who is 2.5 in it (one at a time obviously) - both love it. dh also uses it. I am 5'5 and he is nearly 6 ft. It is so comfy and just feels so right. Love the support it gives them, and the hood, and the stirrups to keep them comfy when they are bigger. It is really quick and easy to put on and adjust. I tried the ergo and wasn't as sold as I'd thought I would be - the back didn't come up high enough for me to feel safe with it.

Different carriers seem to work for different people as pidj says so worth trying some if you can.

PurplePidjin Mon 08-Apr-13 20:09:02

We're ebf and I have Boots and Tesco in walking distance, Waitrose and Sainsburys an easy drive. Will happily collect and send my allowance (although will need postage money, sorry) to anyone stuck

Lily311 Mon 08-Apr-13 20:13:24

The thing is that even though I am in London, i am already thinking about picking up two tubs tmrw. Surely I can always buy formula somewhere. But that's what the government is doing, messing with my head.

I am worried about the formula at the airport. You can't reserve it at Luton and I will need to pick up some on our way home. Arghhh.

Bookwolf32 Mon 08-Apr-13 20:16:23

I wonder if I can just get some opinions on my DD's sleep. The last week she has started to wake up 3 hourly again having been going 4/5 hours first part of night and the 3 - 4 hours after that. Not only that, but at the 2/3am feed she seems quite awake and will only go down again with the dummy and then wakes up every half hour or less! I generally give up at about 5am and take her in with me where I can get another hour and a half. She is 5 months and exclusively breastfed. Is she needing to start weaning? Could it be hunger that is waking her? She will go 4 hours or more during the day. Help! So tired!

ChasingDaisy Mon 08-Apr-13 20:17:51

I consider myself reasonably rational and never panic buy but I am considering buying two tubs tomorrow. That's the problem with publicising it so much, lots of people will have no qualms about stockpiling and that will leave the rest of us with hungry babies. I'm sure it won't come to that but it is hard not to worry when it is your baby's only sustenance.

YellowWellies Mon 08-Apr-13 20:18:25

Actually Bryzoan that's the only thing I don't like about the ergo - the back support is too low. I find myself cupping J's head / neck sometimes as it feels he's bobbing about. Oh dear... I might add yet another to our collection - <googles Boba 3g> I must eBay some of the others blush

PetiteRaleuse Mon 08-Apr-13 20:26:32

book I think you'll find a lot of sympathy/empathy here smile

Could be hunger, could just be that she's unable to sleep for so long at a time.

Lily311 Mon 08-Apr-13 20:26:57

bookwolf that's what O did last week. She is now waking every 3 hours for a feed and settles after 10 min. Hoping it will change soon.

Bookwolf32 Mon 08-Apr-13 20:32:58

Glad it's not just mine! I find it so strange that it takes children so long to learn to sleep. You're tired, you lie down, close your eyes and go to sleep. Babies - I'm tired, mummy is trying to get me to sleep, lets cry and cry instead!

ChasingDaisy Mon 08-Apr-13 20:37:50

Bookwolf I think at this age there is so much going on in their little world and their brain is developing so quickly that it can be difficult to get to and remain asleep. O always finds a million different things to be distracted by when I'm trying to get him to nap, so much so that I've resorted to a muslin over the head to block out stimulation.

Limpit80 Mon 08-Apr-13 20:38:01

Im currently borrowing a Boba from the sling library and really like it although LO doesn't seem to like it as much as the moby and both me and OH feel it is more cumbersome, so am considering a woven wrap too or a Mei Tei.
VQ It was me who asked about hotel weaning. Thanks for the advice. I think Im thinking he's going to be on 3 meals a day by wk 2 or something!
Im really not liking bed times at the mo. He just wont sleep in his cot! I wouldn't mind, but he cant sleep in the LR, so Im banished to the bloody bedroom. hmm. I just want an hour or so in the evening to eat dinner! And clean! Im at the mercy of a tiny tyrant! sad

ValiumQueen Mon 08-Apr-13 20:47:55

limpet it will be a while before LO is on three meals a day. J is on week 2 and as from tomorrow I plan to give him lunch and dinner. So far he has had apple, pear, carrot and baby rice. He had 3 ice cubes size portions for lunch so not big amounts.

Feeling a bit better about J now, although still really quite angry. I was thinking of giving my excuses for the meet tomorrow as I have been very upset today, and am worried that J will be unhappy tomorrow, but I actually think seeing some of you lovely ladies is just what I need.

bp I actually would encourage you to start with a bit of formula so that if LO does start waking in the night when you are back at work, your DH can give a bottle. You have the kind of job that you really have to be well rested for.

Passmethecrisps Mon 08-Apr-13 20:51:41

Not a chance VQ.

<packs camouflage gear and balaclava to aid bundling VQ into car>

fruitpastilles Mon 08-Apr-13 20:52:55

Really really stupid question here......... What do you do with the ice cubes to defrost them? Do it in the microwave or leave them out to defrost then heat them in the pan?

YellowWellies Mon 08-Apr-13 20:53:29

I'm really looking forward to meeting you and your beautiful son VQ so really hope you don't bail xx

Pikz Mon 08-Apr-13 20:55:26

I have a vision of pass covered in leaves and war paint jumping VQ!

Has detective wasted away?

Grumpy is asleep... I hope he stays that way!

Evilwater Mon 08-Apr-13 20:55:27

Hello all.
Luis moan all you like. We all have to let off steam.
To every one else having naughty/ crying babies thanks and brew

Yesterday I had a day off and went green laneing. Best Sunday for a long while. There is a few new racing strips ! grin
My poor mum, Appently N screamed thier house down. My sister came over and drove him around. My mum was very happy to see me.

Today has been great.

ChasingDaisy Mon 08-Apr-13 20:55:41

fruit according to AK, you either heat in a pan or microwave until piping hot and them leave to cool until the right temperature to eat. Not a stupid question smile

BigPigLittlePig Mon 08-Apr-13 20:57:14

vq you can't bail - I believe I'm right in thinking your LO will be forming part of the baby hotdog? No?

MissMummy1 Mon 08-Apr-13 21:00:19

VQ don't you dare bail! I have my free coffee card at the ready!! wink

M was a nightnare last night. 25 mins to lull us into a false security then 10minute bursts throughout the night. Mostly on one of us. She is doped up on calpol tonight post jabs so fc she sleeps!

I have had a bugger of a day with ins companies. After a lot of complaining they are giving me 10 free extra days with the hire car and £50.

lily thanks .

fruitpastilles Mon 08-Apr-13 21:11:58

Thanks chasing I've even got her weaning book, clearly I read it thoroughly smile

ValiumQueen Mon 08-Apr-13 21:12:22

Yes of course. The JJJ hot dog! Dress P in red and M in yellow for the ketchup and mustard as they are only wee too. <<checks outside for signs of pass>>

I am all packed I think.

ValiumQueen Mon 08-Apr-13 21:16:06

Fruit no such word as stupid on this thread! I get the ice cube portions out the night before so they are thawed by the morning. Purée only needs hearing to piping hot if it has meat or chicken in it. Otherwise I just nuke for a few seconds or you can heat the pot in a bowl of hot water. Shame to have to wash a saucepan for such a small amount.

Evilwater Mon 08-Apr-13 21:17:05

Weaning, I'm using puréed food.
Week one, I introduced lunch time, and just used veggies.

Week two, (last week) I introduce supper, just giving him veg. While at lunch I've introduced some meat. Due to last week being mad I'm extending this week.

Week three, introduce breakfast.

Week four, just up the amounts, and different tastes.


ValiumQueen Mon 08-Apr-13 21:17:36

Fucking app! PUREE!

ValiumQueen Mon 08-Apr-13 21:19:25

I have my ikea card too this time. And a really shitty pink pushchair. Poor J.

MissMummy1 Mon 08-Apr-13 21:23:15

<looks out yellow vest>

Miss Tilly will be riding her new bugaboo smile

fruitpastilles Mon 08-Apr-13 21:24:25

As nervous as I am about completely fucking it up I'm also really excited to start weaning S I can't wait to see her little face when she tries new things and watch her get excited when she sees the bowl well she will if she is anything like me
I think next week is definitely the week for us, glad I've got a bumbo tray now because I haven't got a high chair yet.

BigPigLittlePig Mon 08-Apr-13 21:34:27

Part of me was dreading the weaning thing, as dsd is soooooo fussy it's ridiculous not to mention embarrassing but weirdly, letting F lick the pear today and seeing how she wasn't repulsed/nearly sick by something new, has reassured me. Different child, different experience, and she will love trying new stuff I'm sure repeats to fade

YellowWellies Mon 08-Apr-13 21:44:58

Not sure Jonas has a 'sausage' coloured baby grow confused

Passmethecrisps Mon 08-Apr-13 21:55:21

P's outfit is picked already - it is red!

Great minds think alike!

Hi all, I seem to have become a lurker recently. I've been reading but never get round to posting.

Well after a week of babylaughalot sleeping for 6 hrs before waking for a feed we're now back to 3 hrs. I thought we'd already done the sleep regression but it seems not hmm

However, I was inspired by some of you who were getting LOs to nap in their cots during the day a million few threads back, and have tried that today, with amazing results! She went down for 4 naps between 35-45 mins each. A few minutes of crying first, and nomming on my little finger, along with white noise playing, and off to sleep she went. No rocking or feeding to sleep required! This is a revelation. And I hope it continues. Do any of yours cry before they drop off to sleep? She doesn't produce any tears, I think it is more frustration at being awake when she's tired. Just hoping it'll be one of those things that will disappear as she gets used to napping this way.

Chasing how are things with you now, are the tablets helping?

Lily flowers

Haven't seen Rooty around for a while, hope everything's ok?

Passmethecrisps Mon 08-Apr-13 22:06:19

<suspicious I have told this story before>

I have two siblings.

One skinny. One with lots of cuddlesomeness.

I am in the middle.

Skinny one was a sleep dodger and a food refuser. Everything was difficult.

Cuddlesome one was a sleeper and was fully weaned by 4 months because she practically threw herself in plates of food apparently.

I was in the middle but apparently was completely meh about weaning. I ate it but meh kind of thing.

Same mum and dad. 3 different babies.

I am always amazed that my mum had any more given the first!

Kyzordz Mon 08-Apr-13 22:07:56

God I've gotta go back from like, page 5... Will be quick though and probably miss lots as I need to do the sleeping thing...

bplp perhaps you're right, I've tried not to stress today but it's hard sad

chasing i'm ok thanks lovely, I just always feel like i must be doing something wrong, I hope our Lo's all stop the silly feeding soon!

Hope you all feel better soon luis

I am trying not to be scared of weaning vq. I gave Eric some grub this morning and he seemed to really like it. I did it out of desperation but don't know if it's right or wrong, feel a bit stupid because if I can't get him to drink milk introducing solids probably isn't wise. I just don't know what else to do sad I think I will go for whatever weaning too but if I do keep giving him purée from now I won't be introducing finger foods until he is 6 months because quite frankly I reckon I'll kill him because I'm just a tit. He is 22 weeks old tomorrow so isn't starting mega early, if I do start. I just don't know <wails in the corner at being so inept>

Hope all goes well at hosp tits

lily big hugs, you're amazing

Going to try sleep as I am going to leave the dream feed tonight and let e decide what he wants to do. I am hoping he drops the df but drinks day bottles nicely. Can't blame a girl for trying right? If he still fucks about during the day I guess I rely on df to get food into him. I don't know. Forgot to say I have used size 3 teats now for 3 days when he has been awake and is handling the bigger teat fine but still fusses and fucks about so it isn't that. Maybe he really just doesn't want to drink? I just can't help but think a bigger, older baby should drink more, not less

Left e with mil for an hour today. He has been left with dp or mum so far, so was a big thing for me but he behaved impeccably smile was very chuffed and still ended up sobbing when he refused to feed earlier

Hope you all enjoy your meet tomorrow smile

Kyzordz Mon 08-Apr-13 22:09:34

Also I forgot, kissy not seen you around for a bit, hope you are ok

Passmethecrisps Mon 08-Apr-13 22:12:00

miss p can sort of whimper for quite a long time before sleeping. I have learned that going in to 'comfort' her actually just makes things worse and that is when she is more likely to cry when I leave. The whimpering is a bit like the noise a puppy makes. I also think it is because she is tired and is frustrated she can't sleep. As a person who finds getting and staying asleep hard I get this completely.
I now only go in if it becomes what I now call 'open mouthed crying'. So the dummy is no longer in and she needs me to at least replace it. Interestingly when replaced she will often turn her head away from me but continue whimpering.

BigPigLittlePig Mon 08-Apr-13 22:13:27

Kyz their rate of physical growth is slowing down though now, which may account for why the feeding is slowing down <clutching at straws> We can be inept together, I haven't the foggiest either. If I try to read up about anything I end up confusing myself more and more. So I know what I shouldn't be giving, and thanks to pr I've a good idea of what to start with. And that should get me through a few weeks at least whilst I figure out what happens next!

Off to bed too.
Enjoy the meet tomorrow, looking forward to photos especially hotdog photo

Passmethecrisps Mon 08-Apr-13 22:17:28

Oh fuck kyz I keep meaning to pick up on your posts.

You are not being a failure at feeding E. not at all. Not one iota. Some of our babies have decided that milk is just not for them at the moment. Nothing you have done has caused E's behaviour. I am holding on to weaning as a chance for P and I to sort of reinvent te wheel with regard to eating. Poor response to the bottle or breast does not mean that the mum has failed or that every meal time will be a battle.

Stop beating yourself up - I want you to remember every single time you are fighting with E and getting upset and worried that up in Scotland I am more than likely dripping salty tears on P and begging her to take 'just a tiny bit more'

MsJupiterJones Mon 08-Apr-13 22:23:33

Pass we will be 'whatever weaning' too, trying BLW but I'm relaxed about using purées etc if not. We do have to be careful to keep up the calories as L doesn't have any spare weight.

VQ I am sorry to hear about J's possible CMPI, and that you have been feeling down. You are very supportive to all of us and I hope you know we're here to support you too. Interesting about the weaning info. If you start on Nutramigen or similar, it smells awful but L has thrived on it. thanks

Passmethecrisps Mon 08-Apr-13 22:28:30

jupiter I can give VQ a good snort on my bottles tomorrow grin

My DH asked a friend to smell the bottle recently. He was poorly and seemed to have a super heightened sense of smell. She took a massive sniff and genuinely gagged. Weirdly I get all smooshy with the smell. That's what P smells like.

P.S. can I trademark 'whatever weaning'?

GTbaby Mon 08-Apr-13 22:30:54

Fruit I was wondering the same thing about re heating...
However re microwave. Doesn't that kill loads of goodness? N so negates that I steamed the food rather then boiled?

I was thinking I would defrost in morning. Then add boiled water. As I didn't add any when blending? This would warm slightly n be ready to eat? (Saying this I haven't done it yet! Tomorrow will be first try) Rather then nuk and then cool again? However not sure if that's right or not!

Oh what a mine field. Must not cave, must resist pre made jars!

MsJupiterJones Mon 08-Apr-13 22:34:38

Pass I think a book deal awaits you, as soon as PR gets her newspaper column and Detective is turned into a film.

First waking of the night already and she's feeding as if she hasn't been fed for days! If only she'd take more during the day then she wouldn't need so much at night. One night waking is now turning in to three, or last night four (one settled without boob).
I moved in to Ms room with her so I could catch up on sleep away from DHs snoring but she's waking me more angrysmile
Last night was the first time for a while that I've struggled to stay awake while feeding her and MNing

Thanks for the CV BPLP love all the pig details grin

Just thought of a positive if DH not having a job, Ms last set of jabs are due on Friday, he can go with her and be the bad guy for a change

MissMummy1 Mon 08-Apr-13 22:43:01

Re weaning; I bought a machine off eBay that steams, blends and then defrosts frozen cubes to the right temp. There are various settings for thickness etc. I intend to do a mix of purees and BLW. M is 4 months now. I would say totally ready as she is practically sitting up and everything goes in her mouth including the dog. She is facinated by what we eat and is already reaching out for our food. I wanted to wait for 6 months but may cave in a couple of weeks time. We will start with purees and then mix with solids.

Having suffered with eating disorders and been the pickiest eater as a child ever not that you would know now it is really important to me that M has a great relationship with food.

Tomorrow I will mostly be sporting the 'haven't slept in years' look. The little bugger will only sleep on me....

PetiteRaleuse Mon 08-Apr-13 22:48:37

I so want a column <dreams of out-trolling Liz Jones>

DD1 ate everything put in front of her, though atm is obsesses with peas. LO is proving to be fussier, but once this cold is out of the way we'll be right. Psitive thinking.. Rahhhhh.

Izzybuzzybuzzybees Mon 08-Apr-13 22:50:05

vq you better be there tomorrow!!

So looking forward to the meet. I need reassuring that J isn't the only one not sleeping at night ignores the fact he won't sleep in the day either

Feeding just now. Hoping for only one night feed but know I have no chance!

MissMummy1 Mon 08-Apr-13 22:51:45

Izzy Matilda seems to survive on zero sleep. I do not. She has officially broken us.

daisychain76 Mon 08-Apr-13 22:55:26

Evening, big day for H today. Not only is he 29 weeks today he had his teeth brushed for the first time (all 2 of them!) and tried hoummus (sucking it off pitta bread). He seemed to enjoy both experiences!

Hope your hospital stay isn‘t too bad tits. Sorry you are having rough times luis and lily.

Question for sling users. How do you carry your LO? H refuses to face me now (had 6 weeks break from baby wearing as it was hurting my c section scar). I don‘t feel comfy with the idea of him on my back yet (only around 14 1/2 pounds) but l have heard stuff about front outwards not being a good position??

Elizadoesdolittle Mon 08-Apr-13 23:04:18

Well this morning started off with another trip to the hospital as E pulled her tube out again. She's done it 3 times in the last 7 days, tinker.

I then collected the high chair I won off eBay and went to a weaning talk at my local clinic. It was all about BLW. No advice whatsoever about puree. When I weaned DD1 there wasn't that much info about BLW from HV's so was refreshing to hear. Didn't help me however although I only really went to see if there were any freebies....there weren't! E seems to be doing well on what little puree she is taking but as soon as she's 6 months I'll do finger foods too so I am also taking the whatever approach to weaning. E actually drank 60ml of thickened milk from a doidy cup today which was really encouraging. Saw the dietician today who is really pleased with her progress. Still no idea as to when the tube can come out though. Probably not for at least another couple of months.

To those going to the meet... Enjoy grin

Elizadoesdolittle Mon 08-Apr-13 23:11:23

kyz I know how you feel and completely sympathise but please believe me when I say you are not a failure. It took me a long time to come round to the idea that I wasn't to blame for E's feeding issues. I have the occasional wobble still, but I am not to blame. It is unfortunately just one of those things. You are doing a great job and don't be anxious of weaning. There is really no right or wrong way of doing it, only the way that suits you best. Experiment and have fun with it and please give yourself a virtual slap from me every time you feel like a failure. You are anything but.

And the same goes to all those worried about feeding issues. Just look at how many of us there are!

PetiteRaleuse Mon 08-Apr-13 23:20:59

eliza it's great to hear she's doing well smile

StuntNun Mon 08-Apr-13 23:29:14

I had a great birthday, got the Kindle Fire changed for a Kindle Paperwhite, books to read, music to listen to (Crash Test Dummies, Rammstein and Average White Band which seems somewhat eclectic now I come to think of it) and lots of good food - smoked salmon and cream cheese bagels, out to a restaurant for lunch, cake at the (babysitting) IL's house and an Indian takeaway after the kids were in bed. Being 37 ain't all bad!

daisychain76 Mon 08-Apr-13 23:36:42

Happy birthday stunt. I feel hungry now!

TheDetective Tue 09-Apr-13 00:13:24

I've had to scroll back up to post - sorry - epic post rant. Here, have a biscuit. Sorry. blush

Stunt Crash Test Dummies?

Oh my, I had one (their only?!) of their albums. Ace. Must have another listen. Happy birthday!

A film JJ?! I don't think I look good on camera ever.

I'm another for whatever weaning! I'm doing mushed up breakfast, blw snacks, blw lunch, and then either mush or blw for dinner.

I was waiting for 6 months, and still am. O is just starting to show interest in grabbing things on plates, but I get it before he shoves it in his mouth. We are trying to include him in meal times, so he starts understanding about eating.

I'm guessing he just isn't a milk fan. He isn't taking much at the moment, today he had 4oz, 3oz, 6oz, 3oz, 6oz. I think I could wean sooner than 6 months, but I'm not sure he will gain anything much, so I will hold off unless real clear signs are evident.

Re: sleep regression, well if we are through the worst of it fucking pleeeeeeeeeeeeeease then it did last 3-4 weeks here.

He did a 7.30 feed (bed 8.30) til 4am last night, and then a fully settled sleep in the basket til my alarm woke him at 7.30. Which was fabulous especially as DP did the feed!. I liked that. That was a nice compromise. 2 decent chunks of sleep really.

Took them to the waterpark this afternoon. O cried at the coldness at first, but soon seemed to enjoy it. He lacks confidence at first, but soon gains it when he stops being a wuss cold. I took him round the lazy river about 6 times, in the wave pool, and in the kids pool, and down a little kids slide thank fuck fat ass did not get stuck. Then we took him in a bubble pool, and had some lovely pictures of him and DS1. Then while I was dunking him, the camera man got some sneaky shots that I didn't realise. I'm gutted though as they told us it was 19 francs (around £15) for 3 printed pics, and a disc. Was paying for them when I realised the card machine fuck you dad said 90 francs which was £64!!! The guy realised he had got his nineteen and ninety mixed up. So I was gutted at not getting the pictures. Not paying £64 fucking quid though!!

He even had a good 90 minute nap while there, and I ended up waking him! The noise lulled him to sleep easily! He was a little star really!

My dad is still controlling the money. angry I got really cross this morning. We were going to the shop, I explained I needed extra swim nappies for O, as we only brought 1 with us, and would need extra for the waterpark. I also wanted to get something for a friend who is dog sitting. So I said to my dad can you please change this money. So he says something along the lines of you don't need to change it. I said, no I wanted to change it. He did not change it. angry

So once again, we were at the shops and I could not buy things as and when I wanted. I got really quite mad. So I decided fuck it, and started putting what I wanted in the trolley, and just casually said, oh I've got my card, I'll just pay with that and ignore the hefty charge. So he conceded by paying, and I gave him the sterling. So, still no money in my pocket.

While we were at the waterpark my dad loaded his wristband with money for drinks etc. Nothing on ours, and we could not put any on. I was sat with him, while O was sleeping, and he went to the bar and came back with a beer. No drink for me. No offer of would you like a drink I was gasping. If I had known he was going to the bar I could of asked, but he said nothing.

Eventually he got us ice creams which I didn't want, I have sensitive teeth. Then one drink, and one portion of chips to share between 4 of us. hmm.

I just don't fucking get it. I can not go anywhere, he lives out the way, no shops near by that I have noticed, no car I can drive. I can't go anywhere to exchange money. I feel totally restricted and restrained and it is making me so cross. My poor mum poor fred too will be listening to my bitching as soon as I get home.

Yes, he has form for this btw. But not in this way. But yes, controlling of money is a habit he has.

Still, one more full day. I have the worlds supply of Raclette cheese in my case, and a shed load of swiss chocolate, so that will be great to get home too!

And my bed. Oh. How I have missed you bed!

G'night, and good fucking luck one and all!

TheDetective Tue 09-Apr-13 00:23:08

PR Dads wife noticed me making up his formula with SMA this evening. She informed me they are owned by Nestle.

She works in Nestle, the internal marketing communications manager. Yes, I googled her name to get this - all I knew was she was a manager, and it was something to do with marketing.

My dad worked for Nestle before he retired. I googled him, but could only find something to do with SAP. I know he works with systems and networks. That is all.

I am a midwife, and my family work for Nestle. <Facepalm>

LuisGarcia Tue 09-Apr-13 00:29:47

Happy birthday, stunt

Had a very childish 5 minutes today with MrsG. We found a newspaper article about some "new postergirl for sahm's".

Who has a millionaire husband, millionaire parents, nanny, gardener and cleaner and who "is the artistic director of her own photo shoots and is launching a new fashion line".

Who had her baby last May and by September had to start her life again, because she'd "been a mummy all summer".

And who regarded being a mum as "time for me".

A single biro can add bags under the eyes, random stains to the soft furnishings, wrinkles, toys everywhere, hair all over the place, a laptop with mumsnet on, raisins in odd places and an "I feel so guilty" thoughtbubble to the "new postergirl for sahm's" surprisingly quickly.

TheDetective Tue 09-Apr-13 00:34:15

Did you add the hairy legs and pits in? And the jagged fanjo?

And the sick down her back?

Please tell me you did? grin

LuisGarcia Tue 09-Apr-13 00:36:00

Her fanjo was not on display, but otherwise yes.

PurplePidjin Tue 09-Apr-13 00:46:48

Happy birthday Stunt thanks

Det that sounds horrendous sad

ChasingDaisy Tue 09-Apr-13 01:01:57

Babies are weird. I had been making 6oz bottles but as O had been drinking so little I have reduced them back down to 5oz. Since then he has drained almost every bottle, having been only taking 3oz for the past little while hmm

First night feed. Over 5 hours.

LuisGarcia Tue 09-Apr-13 01:06:29

Babies are weird.

LuisGarcia Tue 09-Apr-13 01:50:42

quiche aibu q.

aibu to answer this p scathingly.

I am fiercely defensive of MrsG's sleep, and she is fiercely defensive of mine. That's p basic teamwork, right? AIBU to want to get snippy when people ask how to get their menfolk to "help"? Am I allowed to go in guns blazing on threads like that or are they more for comforting the OP?

LuisGarcia Tue 09-Apr-13 02:39:07

I love that you're all asleep. Keeps posting just in case that's the secret

kirrinIsland Tue 09-Apr-13 02:57:32

Happy birthday stunt

4 hours for her first sleep - pretty good really.

detective your Dad sounds pretty stressful sad Hope you are enjoying yourself as best you can.

Luis you obviously have a great relationship with MrsG but some are not so lucky and that OP would seem to be one of them. Some of the DPs/DHs you read about on MN beggar believe - they literally do nothing. I don't think the OP needs comforting as such, she needs some genuine advice. The scathing words might be appropriate for her DH who appears to think that his sleep is more important than hers.

Lily311 Tue 09-Apr-13 03:17:11

I amhere. 4th wakings of the night. I slept an hour?

Haapybirthday Stunt.

LuisGarcia Tue 09-Apr-13 03:18:00

I know I'm lucky. I get that. But the concept of having to convince a dp to "help" is so flawed in itself, that's what I want to scathe.

PurplePidjin Tue 09-Apr-13 03:28:26

Luis it frequently amazes what section of the gene pool otherwise-intelligent women choose to replicate sad It also frequently surprises me how utterly twattish some men become after implantation sad

Anything in the cause of a leg over, eh? hmm

R has decided he's had enough milk. He's wide awake. I've dumped him in the crib with Ewan and dummy and he's making his tired noise. Mean mummy?

PetiteRaleuse Tue 09-Apr-13 03:42:13

Happy birthday stunt didn't realise it was yesterday despite the kindle talk flowers

LO awake and no idea why. I think she just fancied a bit of a whinge. Well, she got whinged at.

ValiumQueen Tue 09-Apr-13 03:59:09

Here too. First wake after 7.5 hours so cannot complain. Quick feed and down again.

ChasingDaisy Tue 09-Apr-13 04:47:11

Here. Second feed. Too tired to think of anything to say.

Kyzordz Tue 09-Apr-13 05:25:25

Here, expecting LO to wake, but he has not yet.

Thanks all, you're all fab - when I read about any of you having feeding issues I never think its your fault at all it's just my automatic thought towards my own situation, that it could be improved by me changing something I'm doing because I must be doing it wrong. I am going to try to be more positive about the situation and stop whinging but I am very grateful for the lovely words of the quiche, thankyou bplp, pass, Eliza, chasing in particular on this one! Really sorry if I've forgotten anyone it's late early and I am tired still lazy and a sleep hogger

Happy birthday stunt sorry, I didn't realise!

Thechick Tue 09-Apr-13 05:42:04

Having a bad night here. H has been up at the most every 2 hours since 9. DH did try to settle him but he only wants boob. He has a bit of a cough so maybe he wants mummy time or maybe he's a little cold, we've stopped using the sleeping bags as its been 'warmer' at night. It's ds1 birthday today!! 14!! I can't believe it.
We've started solids and I was very emotional about to begin with. It was more me not wanting to accept that my LO is growing up so quickly, but we are all enjoying it. We are doing breakfast and dinner and we are just going with the flow.

Thechick Tue 09-Apr-13 05:43:15

Happy belated birthday to stunt and mm1

ValiumQueen Tue 09-Apr-13 05:50:57

Happy birthday to you Stunt! And belated to MM. Sorry I forgot to say x

Up again. It is so cold in his room at the moment. Odd as it has been so much colder but his room stayed warm.

Detective that is so odd of your Dad! You would think he would be lavishing you with food drunk and gifts!

Well, I took ages to go off to sleep then had very odd dreams, largely around puree. No idea why.

kirrinIsland Tue 09-Apr-13 06:09:45

Up for the third feed - it's only been an hour since the last one sad

Hope today is better than yesterday....

Sophiathesnowfairy Tue 09-Apr-13 06:41:57

Hopefully I will get to catch up later. First day working at home yest. Just about ok, I didn't anticipate though I should have had a few activities ready to dispatch DS1 to as he kept wanting mr to play.

When I left to change O's nappy I arm back to find my laptop unplugged and the s and the{ missing off the key board. I couldn't find them anywhere. Luckily he told me he had posted them in a slot at the side of the laptop. grin

Today is my first day in the office. I have been getting ready and O is looking hmm at me. (That is the actual face)

Off to see how much I can catch up on before I have to leave.

Kyzordz Tue 09-Apr-13 07:14:50

11 hours faints will catch up in a mo x

ValiumQueen Tue 09-Apr-13 07:23:09

Kyz blooming eck! Very good!

J now up for the day. I wish I could crawl back into bed but have a fun day ahead grin

fruitpastilles Tue 09-Apr-13 07:24:19

S done 6:45 - 6:30 she must have heard me yesterday, not even a wake for a dummy!

stunt happy birthday for yesterday (or is it today)

Hugs and brew to any bad nighters.

PetiteRaleuse Tue 09-Apr-13 07:32:49

I wish LO would eat more. We're on day six of starvation here. I exaggerate but no more than 18 oz each day. Other than being snotty and coughy though she seems ok and is breathing better than she was.

PetiteRaleuse Tue 09-Apr-13 07:35:37

Hope you all enjoy your meet up envy

Lily311 Tue 09-Apr-13 07:38:48

7 times up, fucking 7 times. I am broken. My baby is broken. And it's raining -- wail --

PetiteRaleuse Tue 09-Apr-13 08:08:04

Lily can you have a pj, hot chocolate, dvd and duvet day?

Kyzordz Tue 09-Apr-13 08:16:43

Sorry about the bad nights feeling quite guilty now. I will share sleepydust tonight

det i'd be fuming with your dad if I were you. He sounds pretty controlling, at least you're home soon!

Happy birthday to your ds thechick!

What's happening in your fun day vq?

That's awesome fruit!! We had one wake up for dummy but he spat it back within 30 seconds so I'm not sure I should've bothered!

Hopefully her eating will pick up pr if she's on the mend. Fc it does, bless her, it must be a worry that she isn't eating much

lily hugs, sounds like a proper shit one! Can you get any sleep today?

Hope today goes ok sophia

BigPigLittlePig Tue 09-Apr-13 08:29:07

Gah shit sleep has returned to the pig house. I went up to bed at 10.30, and F was awake, so thought I'd feed her to see whether it made any difference. Did it fuck. She settled back at 11.30, and was up at 3, 4.30 and 6. And in our bed from 4.30. Up for the day by 7.

Detective LOL at mental image of you getting stuck on kiddies slide with O chortling away on your lap. Outrageous prices for photos, and outrageous behaviour from your dad though.

VQ I dreamt about giving F a stick of cucumber. Also cannot imagine where the inspiration for the dream came from hmm

Sophia good luck for today.

Happy birthday to chicks ds and stunt

Don't forget the hotdog photo

Kyzordz Tue 09-Apr-13 08:29:39

Ah yes just remembered your fun day is quiche meet up vq hope you all enjoy it! smile

BigPigLittlePig Tue 09-Apr-13 08:35:38

Lily bleurgh. That is hideous. I hope she'll nap for you today x

TheDetective Tue 09-Apr-13 08:49:57

3 good nights. O is doing well. Last feed was 7pm, bed at 8.20, woke at 4.30, fed quickly, straight back down til 8 when my alarm went off. grin.

So glad. Quite aware I'm on borrowed time here though! Will return the sleep we are hogging soon!

TheDetective Tue 09-Apr-13 08:51:26

Thanks for the sympathies!

Enjoy the hotdog quiche meet up!

fruitpastilles Tue 09-Apr-13 08:52:12

lily you definitely need a lazy day today, hugs. I hope she sleeps for you tonight.

Have fun at the meet up, looking forward to the hotdog pic grin

Lily311 Tue 09-Apr-13 08:54:50

Thanks. She is napping now. I cancelled the meeting with a friend. Yesterday she hardly napped as we were out and about. I wonder maybe that's why she was so unsettled last night. So we are back to basics today and I make sure she has her naps.

kirrinIsland Tue 09-Apr-13 09:04:47

Blimey kyzordz that's awesome smile

Sorry you had such a shit night lily Have a brew

Not bad here I suppose. 5 wake ups with one 4 hour sleep.

Hope work goes ok Sophia

Enjoy the meet up - looking forward to the photos.

PetiteRaleuse Tue 09-Apr-13 09:18:41

Lily I fond both mine sleep much better at night when they have had a good nap during the day. LO needs two or three naps, and DD1 needs one still.

kyz don't feel guilty we're all happy for you getting a good night grin

I am seeing the light at the end of the tunnel with LO's stupid cold. Mine isn't shifting, but that's fine. Reading the baby whisperer books and once this cold is gone sleep training and stage two weaning and potty training and all kinds of fun will start.

And some sun please. FFS. More pissing rain. More mud all over the floors.

BigPigLittlePig Tue 09-Apr-13 09:26:40

PR did you get the dog to the vet? It's shit weather here too - drizzly, cold and damp. We have baby group later and I know that once I'm there it's good. But dragging myself out the house for a walk in this? Tricky.

Clarella Tue 09-Apr-13 09:34:54

I will catch up and give dedicated Fred time laters - stunt happy birthday!! I could hug you. re read your sleep training stuff and it's given me the confidence to continue formulating my own similar plan. I can see how you've included cues etc which is exactly how I would guide our asd /adhd kids towards a goal at work. I've always said it's sort of the same for little ones but when you're in the thick of it it gets hard to see. I've been teetering on the edge of pnd and fighting it (not cos of sleep issues) but this really helps me focus and plough on as I know it will help my other stuff too.smile smile smile I've just successfully got him to nap beyond the usual 40 mins with a bit of shushing as he stirred after 20. albeit on the dream genie but in the cot smile smile

hope you all have lovely days quiche. will catch up later smile

belated happy birthday mm!

will put my very funny Alan alberg baby pic on fb

TheDetective Tue 09-Apr-13 09:36:27

Rain here too! Baaaah!

Lily that sounds like a good idea. I do that too when we've had a bad night. Attack the day with good sleep intentions and stay in!

TooManyDicksOnTheDancefloor Tue 09-Apr-13 09:37:33

Morning all, good night here too. Bed at 7pm, dream feed at 10pm then didn't here from her until 7am. Sorry to those who had shit nights, this one came out of the blue after a succession of bad nights.

I decided to feed four-hourly yesterday as the baby whisperer reckons at four months old they can go four-hourly. It worked well and she slept, not sure if this was a coincidence.

Happy birthday for yesterday stunt, sounds like you had a fab day thanks

I'm joining slimming world on Thursday, my aim is to eat everything between now and then, starting by baking scones today.

TooManyDicksOnTheDancefloor Tue 09-Apr-13 09:40:15

clarella, have you read the baby whisperer book? I really advise this if you want to put a plan into action. We have very similar babies and this really works for us. She talks a lot about cues.

PetiteRaleuse Tue 09-Apr-13 09:46:44

pig no the appointment is at half six. Wouldn't be able to handle the dog plus the girls on my own so DH is going to come home early and one of us will take the dog then.

PetiteRaleuse Tue 09-Apr-13 09:51:21

Just checked the weather forecast. No more freezing nights. And on Sunday: sun and 20 degrees. Yay. Perfect for me. Will be whining in a month or so that it is too hot. I have missed my lovely mild spring that am used too.

BigPigLittlePig Tue 09-Apr-13 09:53:24

It's hard to see Fs cues - for sleep or feeds - as her fist are in her mouth/covering her face all the time. I think I have one photo from the past 3 weeks that doesn't include fists, and shows all of her face.

My mum has just offered to pay for an osteopath for F - not sure whether for sleep, reflux, or both. No idea if it works - has anyone tried it? Mum swears by her osteopath, and my brother has been over the years and found it very helpful. I suppose nothing ventured, nothing gained.

StuntNun Tue 09-Apr-13 10:07:10

<Sneaks on to thread>

<Looks around guiltily>

<Mutters something about seven and a half hours>

<Slope off before anyone starts to throw stuff>

TheDetective Tue 09-Apr-13 10:17:50

Awwww Oscar just learned to click his tongue. DP is clicking at him, and he is doing it straight back! It's quite cute! He's quite the chatterbox squealer god help my ears with another noise to his bow!

It's really quite loud when he is doing it!

PetiteRaleuse Tue 09-Apr-13 10:24:53

stunt great news!

pig no idea about osteopathy other than there are some con artists out there and can be dangerous if done wrong.

MaMaPo Tue 09-Apr-13 10:32:15

Can pick the quiche's brains? My little one is 18 weeks tomorrow and her ability to stay awake during the day has plummeted. She had a 50 minute nap this morning, I got her up at 9.20am. It's now 10.30am and she's giving me all the tired signs. Is it just madly developing brain or should I rule anything else out?

Elizadoesdolittle Tue 09-Apr-13 10:52:17

Oh stunt sorry, I didn't pick up on the fact it was your birthday yesterday. I only had time to do a brief skim read. Glad you had a good one and belated happy birthday wishes.

Yay to those with good nights.

PetiteRaleuse Tue 09-Apr-13 10:53:18

If she is feeding ok I would make the most of it assume madly developing brains or growth spurt

Clarella Tue 09-Apr-13 11:04:29

mama g is 17 and a bit and ditto..... so tired he's actually happy chilling in a sling for the first time ever!!!!!!

Clarella Tue 09-Apr-13 11:07:34

toomany funnily enough I wonder if I'm sort of doing stuff from it.... ditto 4 hours, he's not been interested last 2 days unless it's been 4 hours ( in the bloody day) and I got my extended nap by shushing and head stroking. trying to do easy routine too. is that the kind of stuff?
great news on night time sleeps!

ChasingDaisy Tue 09-Apr-13 11:42:52

Mama O is 19 weeks and his maximum for staying awake is 90mins, always has been. I usually get tired signs an hour after his first morning nap.

Yay stunt grin

Not a bad night, O did 7:30-00:45-4:35-7:50 with him in bed with me from 5. Going to try and start weaning him off this in the next week or so.

Lily311 Tue 09-Apr-13 12:02:35

mama O could hardly stay awake for 90 min up until this weekend. She now does 2 hours awake time than needs a nap though the first nap happens after 90 min of being awake. She is 20 weeks today.

Lily311 Tue 09-Apr-13 12:03:15

Oh, and I'm packing today. Run out of brown tape. Grey's anatomy is my answer.

Sophiathesnowfairy Tue 09-Apr-13 12:12:22

Good one stunt

kirrinIsland Tue 09-Apr-13 12:31:21

Yay stunt grin a birthday present from J!!

Rain here too sad Nipping out for a coffee might be the most exciting thing happening here today! I have just sorted out half my wardrobe though - got a very large charity pile building up. I am aiming for a minimalist house - which means I need to get rid of a tonne of stuff!

StuntNun Tue 09-Apr-13 12:36:14

Chasing I would have had to bring J into bed with me from 5 for the past x weeks but for the last three nights he has stayed in his cot all night. He's 20 weeks so you may find O just grows out of that early morning cuddle requirement.

Sophiathesnowfairy Tue 09-Apr-13 12:51:06

Thanks for all the lucks. grin I am currently contemplating tea or coffee hmm

I have cleared my inbox to NOTHiNG.

I am wondering why Olly has had a cold, snotty nose, snotty eye and rosy cheeks ever since he was born. sad

Tea I think.

Miss my boys. Even my big boy who usually sits round the corner from me at work and has escaped to another office.

Happy birthday stunt thanks

GTbaby Tue 09-Apr-13 13:15:17

Have fun at work soph!
Happy bday stunt.

Hope the get together goes well and you join them VQ.

Someone was up alot. Big cuddle to you.

This is going to sound stupid but am I the only one who is finding LO more work now then a few months ago.
He WAS happy sleeping and sitting on his own playing. Now he gets bored. Grumpy when he drops a toy. Finding it alot harder to juggle house work all of a sudden. Don't know if he is got used to more attention while in India?

Put him to sleep an hour ago. Got sausage n mash on cooker/ over. Praying he stays asleep long enough for me to eat warm food smile

TryingtobelessChunkyChick Tue 09-Apr-13 13:18:23

We have a roller!! grin

He did it yesterday & again today. He has finally turned the laying on his side wriggling into back to front, getting his leg 'over' oo-er missus and on to his front ignoring the fact he consistently traps his arm. Now to get him rolling from front to back <starts humming Mission Impossible theme>

Lily311 Tue 09-Apr-13 13:29:26

gt i find O much easier. She was an awful newborn, till about week 17. I had no time whatsoever for anything. She cried and cried, she was screaming when not crying. But she slept at least. She is now happy. Chatting away, smiling, giggling. Much easier. Yes, i need to entertain her but she doesn't cry anymore. And she doesn't sleep anymore. And I can do things cause she is busy playing.

TooManyDicksOnTheDancefloor Tue 09-Apr-13 13:30:33

That's it pretty much clarella. B's gone four hours again today so far and has napped well. If she wakes early into her nap I shush and put her dummy back in, she normally goes back off and has about 1.5-2hours.

I'm really pissed off, I phoned the hospital to chase up the referral for lip/ tongue tie to find that they had no record of the referral angry. She's now 4 months so they won't treat her anyway and will have to have it corrected under GA if it's a problem. The really annoying thing is that they would have seen her had the referral been dealt with three weeks ago. We are now going private.

TryingtobelessChunkyChick Tue 09-Apr-13 13:33:39

As pidg I think said;

I'm going shopping later so if anyone wants me to stockpile grab some formula, I can... (Ebf here but they won't know that wink)

fruitpastilles Tue 09-Apr-13 13:57:38

Yay, well done mini chunky

gt yep, I find I get less done now, I wouldn't say she is harder, just needs entertaining more than she used to and wants my attention all the time, hence the house more often than not is a bit a lot messy

PurplePidjin Tue 09-Apr-13 14:03:48

Yep, just reiterating the offer to buy and post formula smile

I get more done now because he will actually be put down I'm still a lazy slattern though

Sophiathesnowfairy Tue 09-Apr-13 14:05:58

Ooo I have some Aptamil Comfort going free to a good home if anyone wants it. Obviously unopened. Stockpiled in the last scare and no longer required. (DH has a funny requirement for us to be stocked up like there is going to be a nuclear war. Not quite Doomsday prepped but if I didn't rein I'm in who knows confused........ )

fruitpastilles Tue 09-Apr-13 14:27:44

Don't know why I bother with eBay, put a bundle of 22 sleep suits on and it has just sold for 99 stinkin p. someone has just got a right bargain. How come whenever there's anything I want to buy it ends up going for loads angry

PurplePidjin Tue 09-Apr-13 14:50:01

Fruit try facebook - I've just sold 5 Alva nappies in nb size for £15 cost me two long lifts and 12 wraps for £25 part of a huge bundle I got for £45 you just name your price and wait for a buyer!

fruitpastilles Tue 09-Apr-13 14:57:59

I didn't think of that pidji I'll definitely do that next time!

YellowWellies Tue 09-Apr-13 15:37:03

Just bag from the Scotland meet up and suffice to say the haggis munchers rock. And have the cutest babies! What a Fab morning VQ ta for the grobags, Pass ta for the cloth nappies and MM ta mucho for being ma wheels smile

ChasingDaisy Tue 09-Apr-13 15:39:14

For sale: Baby - cute but won't stop fucking screaming.

TryingtobelessChunkyChick Tue 09-Apr-13 15:39:25

Watching About A Boy and it makes me smile that the family with the new baby have a shit-tip house wink

PetiteRaleuse Tue 09-Apr-13 15:47:42

Can anyone remember what proportion of regular amount of milk a baby doesn't drink before it becomes worrying?

LO normally drinks about 27 oz over a 24 hour period. We're at 8 so far, with the evening to go, but other than sleeping quite a lot (normal as recuperating) no signs of anything being wrong. No pain, lots of smiles, no more coughing than usual.

I'm sure I read either less than a third or two thirds of usual amount is worrying. Cn't remember which. Anyone?

BigPigLittlePig Tue 09-Apr-13 15:51:44

chasing lost the receipt?? wink

Got an appointment for F at 5 at the gps - never been to this gp before, as it's a new practice, so hopefully they'll just check her over and give me the ranitidine or else

PennieLane Tue 09-Apr-13 15:58:33

I'm doing quite well in eBay, I'm selling stuff individually though so maybe try that? I'm going to put the bumbo on I think. It hasn't really worked for us.

I'm sorry PR I've never heard of a rule. Is there a French equivalent of NHS direct?

My HV said that waking in night when previously slept is one sign of weaning. However she slept through last night. We have 1 bottle in PM so added some ounces. I'm going to see how that goes and start weaning on May bank hol when she's 6 months. She doesn't seem interested yet. She is now 13lbs 5 at 21 weeks. So finally doubled birth weight and gone over 9th line, still so nerve wracking getting weighed so v pleased!

Yay for meet up, sounds great!

PetiteRaleuse Tue 09-Apr-13 16:02:44

Nope no equivalent just a&e and as I said she seems ok in herself so can't justify an a&e appointment. Just not hungry.

ChasingDaisy Tue 09-Apr-13 16:03:36

Just one of those days. Shattered.

PR sorry I haven't heard of a rule, just to look out for signs of dehydrationc etc

TryingtobelessChunkyChick Tue 09-Apr-13 16:12:46

In shock both dc have slept at the same time, & in the case of DS who I think has now woken, judging by the monitor, for 2hrs!!! DD still asleep shock again.

BigPigLittlePig Tue 09-Apr-13 16:19:03

Nice one chunky! I was about to say, could you send some lessons the way of F, as she has been a sleep dodger again today. She's had 30 minutes this morning, and 20 minutes this afternoon. I put her in her pram, asleep, about 20 minutes ago, and she woke within 5 minutes, but I have left her there so I could go on MN. She was happy enough, chatting away. All has fallen silent. SHES ASLEEP!! BY HERSELF!

TryingtobelessChunkyChick Tue 09-Apr-13 16:21:23

Gettin!!! LP grin

Kyzordz Tue 09-Apr-13 16:31:13

I thought it was half pr, was told if sicking half or more, or refusing/taking half or both of course for more than 48 hours it's a problem. That was just from my great gran who told my mum, and that was 20 odd years ago and probably very ancient advice before that so who knows!

Will reply to rest of thread later when LO isn't whinging needing seeing to

Lily311 Tue 09-Apr-13 16:34:43

chasing take O for a walk. It always helps.

pr sorry, hope LO feels better soon.

O had 50 min in the morning, 2hr 20 min at lunchtime and 20 min now. Hope it helps with night time.

Lily311 Tue 09-Apr-13 16:35:59

Oh, I use gumtree, nappeyvalleynet and east dulwich forums to sell things. Last two are in London. I made profit on most of my items but then I bought everything second hand.

PetiteRaleuse Tue 09-Apr-13 16:39:00

I suppose there are lots of 'rules' about that like everything else.
Well I'll just. Hve to go by her smiles. If she is ill enough to be dehydrated then she will be too ill to smile right? The Dr says to use smiles as a gauge of illness.

And when DD1 was sick with pneumonia we got nothing´more than a half smile for a week. LO is giving big smiles and quite often, which is better than at the weekend.

Kyzordz Tue 09-Apr-13 17:01:41

I'm sure she'll pick up pr with her drinking smile keep an eye on her soft spot and her smiles and as I'm sure you know just keep a look out for any other signs of her not being well. Bet she'll make up for it in a couple of days!

YellowWellies Tue 09-Apr-13 17:01:48

Though my niece's HB was over 200 BPM and her oxygen SATs <85% with bronchiolitis and she was still smiley.... I'd go by symptoms of dehydration. When Jonas refused food last week the hospital weren't concerned by 15 hours between feeds as he wasn't symptomatic of dehydration. They said they'd hospitalise at 20 hours but that it depended on the baby and the weather.

PetiteRaleuse Tue 09-Apr-13 17:12:33

She opens her mouth to feed then spits it out. And gets angry. Then after a few more hours she'll go oh go on then and have a bit. Tiredness only sign though have popped a pic up on fb.

ValiumQueen Tue 09-Apr-13 17:26:58

Had a lovely day at the meet. Feeling so much better, although more concerned about J. Very helpful talking to the other mums about things.

It is Jacobs fault there was no pic as he fell asleep. Sorry. There is however a pic of James asleep! Yes! Asleep!

PetiteRaleuse Tue 09-Apr-13 17:28:18

It's certainly been quiet on here without you guys

Clarella Tue 09-Apr-13 17:31:40

congrats bigpig!!!!!

toomany that is really bad. sad angry check the 4 mo as up here it's definitely 6 mo - someone in our lll group's tie had re attached and they had to get it in before 6 mo. we were 15 weeks and it was nothing. I was very pleased to hear the midwife led unit are going to do some training on tt up here and make it a priority.

delighted that lo fed twice sitting in my lap in a cafe today with no issues!!grin

pr I'm afraid I don't know but you could post in feeding? god it's so tough for you hon. if she seems ok I guess that's something and keep an eye on her soft spot.

fruitpastilles Tue 09-Apr-13 17:44:51

So glad it's nearly bed time. Bath at 6, bottle at 6:30 and bed at 6:45. Dp working till 10pm so I will actually get a bit of me time tonight.

Clarella Tue 09-Apr-13 17:50:01

oops messed up the 'routine' - G has just fed both sides (yay!) before bath instead of a nap.... there had better be room for more!! I wonder if tonight's the magic night of more sleep?

<starts scrabbling in drawers for sleepy dust dung speader keys...>

PetiteRaleuse Tue 09-Apr-13 17:59:42

I tend not to start child health threads. They can get very hysterical and a lot of the advice - nhs 24, ooh and hvs don't apply to me being abroad. I'm not too worried for now. Assuming a sore throat.

I have some of that rehydration solution but not sure about using it. Can't monitor nappies brilliantly as she is on amoxycollin so sharting all the time.

TheDetective Tue 09-Apr-13 18:31:12

PR O has fed less the last few days and slept more but he seems well. When I read your post from this afternoon saying she had taken 8oz, O had taken 11oz by the same time. He took a futher 6oz about 5pm, and depending on his bed time ish feed, he may only take 20-22oz today. He took slightly less than this yesterday.

Is her soft spot sunken? Lips/tongue dry? If you google dehydration in babies, you will get a list of the main symptoms to be aware of. Then you can observe overnight, and take her to the paed tomorrow perhaps?

Chasing Since we have been here in Switzerland, O has suddenly taken to sleeping in the moses basket all night. He would come in bed with us after his 6am feed previously. Was worried as we are on a sofa bed that doesn't feel safe for co-sleeping, but he just didn't need to bunk in with us! I hope he keeps it up when we get home. Am tempted to move him back in with us in the moses basket!!!!

I feel much more refreshed with him doing 4-6am, and then going back down til 7.30-8am. Today, he only woke when my alarm went off again, at 8am (which is 9am here, we are keeping him to BST to make things easier). So whatever is going on, he's doing it all in his own sweet time. Please keep this up at home O, PLEASE!

TheDetective Tue 09-Apr-13 18:34:25

The way to monitor urine output is to weigh the nappies. 1g equal 1ml.

Weigh a dry nappy first, so you know what the starting weight is!

Of course, I don't know what the output should be at this age, but I'm sure you will be able to get the answer on google!

PennieLane Tue 09-Apr-13 18:35:27

Me too chunky so tired. I know a few people have said it but I'm finding keeping LO entertained harder and harder. She seems frustrated by books or songs or toys. Argh!

ValiumQueen Tue 09-Apr-13 18:43:12

chunky we have decided to have just three of her friends from nursery and her siblings obviously. It will be in the soft play at BK. she will love it. Cannot cope with anything more exciting than that tbh, especially as J is not right at the moment. Peppa Pig theme.

PetiteRaleuse Tue 09-Apr-13 18:49:52

Thing is every nappy has at least a shart in it..
She's at 9oz now. Almost 10.

TheDetective Tue 09-Apr-13 19:13:32

A big one or little one? If it is only small should not matter. Plus it's liquid?!

YellowWellies Tue 09-Apr-13 19:31:15

VQ it was very lovely to meet you and your wee man (and *pass, Izzy and cacacaz*) we had a great time putting names to faces and seeing the characters our wee rascals have. Jacob is a gorgeous boy with a heart melting smile - he seems a very chilled soul too (not quite as chilled as James - who was so laid back as to be horizontal!!!) please don't worry about the CMPI its a PITA but 90% outgrow it by 6 months, 95% by 12 months and 99% by 2 years - its much less of a 'sentence' than lactose intolerance though it might make weaning a bit more of a faff.

BigPigLittlePig Tue 09-Apr-13 19:33:40

So the GP trip was a success - ranitidine is now safely in Fs tummy, hopefully working its magic. The GP seems nice, if a bit scatty. He forgot to call us in, so we merrily waited in the waiting room for 30 mins and F entertained the masses with her shrieks and constipated grunts. He did say something which made me laugh though - he looked at F as we were leaving, and said "you know, some babies have faces and you think, only a mothers love, but F, she is actually really cute". Brilliant.

PR she seems happy enough in the pic on FB, so if she is producing heavy nappies and smiling, and doesn't have a crater in the top of her head instead of a fontanelle, I wouldn't be too worried. Easier said than done though, I know.

Glad the Scotland meet went well, although genuinely a bit gutted about lack of hotdog photo. Obviously pleased J was sleeping next time poke him though, ok?

Sophiathesnowfairy Tue 09-Apr-13 19:41:31

Is anyone,or indeed their babies, suffering from a rash from dribbling? It looks really red and sore and flares up in the day then calms down at night when he doesn't dribble so much? Please please someone else have this.

What a lovely thing to say bp

pr all tat bp says. Remember even on oral days we don't have the same mounts of hunger every day and even have lite days ( ok so they are few and far between).

<goes off to start weighing nappies>

Sophiathesnowfairy Tue 09-Apr-13 19:42:32

* that. I was not suggesting that bp talks tat!

fruitpastilles Tue 09-Apr-13 19:44:21

sophia S does, it looks terrible, hers is under her chin and also at the base of her neck, it's a real big patch as well poor mite. It feels rough some days as well.

PetiteRaleuse Tue 09-Apr-13 20:01:51

The nappies aren't heavy. I think there is a bit of pee. The poos are liquid but same as the last amoxycillin poos. Not diarrea. I think we'll get to 12 oz today. Fontanelle no worse than it has ever been - they vary anyway don't they - ugh I hate those pulsing things.

I'm not worried for her particularly, more worried that I'm not rushing her in when I should. I don't actually worry enough sometimes.

PetiteRaleuse Tue 09-Apr-13 20:06:12

The dog is fine btw, just stressed and not getting enough attention the vet reckons. I agree, we've been too tied up in our own worries to do much more than feed him and exercise him, and in this weather he hasn't had enough of that sad

Evilwater Tue 09-Apr-13 20:06:53

Hello, we'll this is crazy N asleep and P asleep too. So I'm say alone, with tea and a huge bar of chocolate grin

I've been given a huge box of cloths, and so N has all new clothing that fits. grin I'm looking forward to the SW meet!

Sorry to read about all the naughty babies that arnt sleeping, and are ill sad

PetiteRaleuse Tue 09-Apr-13 20:07:06

And the Doghouse is another part of MN I avoid

PetiteRaleuse Tue 09-Apr-13 20:08:36

Bugger DH has to go away next week for work. Hoping LO is better and it stops fucking raining

Evilwater Tue 09-Apr-13 20:09:00

PR- all I know is that you can't make babies drink. Just offer as much as you can.


Clarella Tue 09-Apr-13 20:21:46

oh god amoxycillin poos. could they count as ime mostly water?

Clarella Tue 09-Apr-13 20:30:54

no rash but I can't believe how amazing aveeno cream is for dry sore skin. you can get it on prescription. or vaseline.

well we kept it calm and lo took a bottle whoo hoo! only 30 .ml of ebm but he was happy to do so. then a little bit of breast but then full. a short rock (we're focussing on stress free bedtime for him and us) and he's sparko. Dh is being a star --after being a plonker last week--and is sitting with the new tablet in bed next to g in his cot with a bottle standing by. I've got till 12 so off for a sleep grin .

cinderella might go to the capoeira ball in 2 weeks and maybe yogagrin grin

I didn't know there was a doghouse on .mn. bet my mum hangs out there. hmm

Passmethecrisps Tue 09-Apr-13 20:40:44

Evening peeples.

What a lovely day! The sun shone. Non-sleeping babies slept. Non-eating babies ate. Mums ate cake and meatballs and wine gums.

It was awesome. Great to see you all again ladeez.

Fellow swaddlers, lend me your ears. I am getting concerned about swaddling P now. She is becoming quite expert in rolling over and I am very concerned about her doing this when swaddled. How long do you plan to swaddle for and how do you intend weaning them off it?

I decided I would have a wee shot at putting P in a sleeping bag tonight. Didn't go so well. She just never stops flinging her arms around. 40 minutes on she was getting irate so I gave up. Within 5 minutes of having the swaddle on she was asleep. What do I do? I have some ideas from the lovely VQ but I would like more thoughts.

My other query is about bottles in a day. Currently P had 6 bottles a day with one at 10pm which we wake her up for. For the last week P has been refusing completely at least one bottle a day. I am worried about her weight but nothing I can do will make her drink what she doesn't want. So, what are people's thoughts on not waking P for the 10pm bottle? I will wake her to tonight because she refused her pre-bedtime bottle. I am interested in hearing what people think.

Lily311 Tue 09-Apr-13 20:46:51

pass i put O on her tummy when finished swaddling. She just wouldn't sleep on her back. I bought a movement monitor at that point. No advice about swaddling, i stopped when O was 6 weeks old.

As for bottle. O is down to 5 a day. She used to have 6 but now missing one. She does take around 33oz a day. I don't wake her but the last couple of nights she wakes 7fucking times.

jaylee89 Tue 09-Apr-13 20:47:32

Hello ladies I haven't posted in about 5 months. I have been trying to keep up I promise smile.

Elanna is 5 months on Thursday and can't believe how fast the bloody time flies!!!

Anyone thinking about having more soon?? I can honestly say I am getting broody!
I must be mental!!!

Elanna has been going to bed at 7 since 6 weeks and not waking up till half 7 in morning sometimes she wakes up later. I can't believe how lucky I've been. She's such a happy baby and her chuckle brings years to my eyes. My eldest DD loves being a big sister and helps mummy all the time!! I feel so blessed!

I hope everyone is well and enjoying their little beans!! smile

YellowWellies Tue 09-Apr-13 20:52:37

Can't help with the bottles pass but we've just weaned Jonas from swaddle to grobag in the last month. Our first night was as you describe - wee leggies running a marathon, flailing arms conducting an orchestra and energetic panting from the crib as he realised he could MOVE! For us it was hell and we shelved the idea for a week.

Gradually though he was getting pissy and pissier waking up in the morning unable to nom his hands - sooo we swaddled him in his usual fleece swaddle but after the middle of the night feed I'd unswaddle his arms and wrap the swaddle under his arm pits instead freeing his hands for the second part of the night. We did this for a week (obviously the first night he kept twatting himself in the face)- gradually slackening the tension around his tummy until it was no different to a grobag. Now he won't be swaddled even when ill.

Pikz Tue 09-Apr-13 20:53:29

Evening campers!

I too am gutted about lack of hotdog photo!

I went to work for the day... It was fun but I missed LO a lot! Lovely to feel like the old me a little bit for the day!

Am knackered and in bed... Praying for another sleep through and then tomorrow I must get weaning plan in place.

Pass I have no advice but send hugs and dung

thanks To all x

Sophiathesnowfairy Tue 09-Apr-13 20:56:30

Yes clarella I use Aveeno on all the family! I have tried popping some Vaseline on it tonight though as I think when it gets wet it exacerbates it.

pr hope things perk up before DH goes away.

My first day back at workmy first European trip in the diary, to Arnhem in Holland. Not till June so I am hoping nothing else gets squeezed in before then. I have managed not to take back the European project which is a bt like a boys club tour of major European cities, 2 days each month. So I am left with the Dutch and the French. Hope to keep the travel down now.

Sophiathesnowfairy Tue 09-Apr-13 21:00:56

pass i would keep the 10 bottle, personally, until wee P is weened. We have 5 bottles. 07:00, 10:45ish (which is getting smaller as the lunches get bigger), 2, 6 and 10. (I like that you have wee P as we have Wee Wiilie (William, poor child))

TooManyDicksOnTheDancefloor Tue 09-Apr-13 21:03:28

We're in the same boat with the swaddle pass. I've put B down once for a nap without a swaddle and she slept for 30mins, she normally has about 2 hours. Whenever she wakes in the night it is usually because she has bust out of her swaddle. I'm just going to keep swaddling until we really have to stop, dd1 was swaddled until she was about 9 months!

As for the feeds, B was having six feeds a day including a dream feed at 10.30. She was messing about at some of the feeds so yesterday I fed her four hourly instead, this reduced the number of feeds to five in total. She slept brilliantly last night!

StuntNun Tue 09-Apr-13 21:11:58

Pass I'd try dropping the dream feed, it's worth a try. IMO sometimes the dream feed can ruin their deep sleep in the evening and that can have a knock on effect on the rest of the night. If you get a night wake up then keep going with the dream feed for a bit longer.

Jaylee my J has slept through once and I'm already thinking about the ext one! I had a section though so have to wait at least nine months. Not to mention convincing DH it's a good idea which will never happen.

ValiumQueen Tue 09-Apr-13 21:12:33

sophia rash under neck here too, which comes and goes. He is a dribbler and very slack on the bottle too which does not help. DD1 had the same, but DD2 never did - she had a patch on her cheek instead. He also has a similar rash on his thighs which have not responded to thrush cream so I am wondering if it is anything to do with CMPI now. I did ask the GP and HV two weeks ago but they said no, it was thrush. Hmm.

I have gained a dining room and lost a husband to it apparently. He is sitting in the dining room reading, and I am in the lounge on the iPad. I am going to sod off to bed and see if he notices.

Passmethecrisps Tue 09-Apr-13 21:16:33

Interesting, interesting!

toomany what is your routine if you don't mind me asking?

TooManyDicksOnTheDancefloor Tue 09-Apr-13 21:19:31

pass- 7am, 11am, 2pm, 6pm, 10pm (df)

TooManyDicksOnTheDancefloor Tue 09-Apr-13 21:21:10

Sorry, got that wrong!

7, 11, 3, 7, 10.30 (df)

I was getting confused with my previous routine.

How bloody ridiculous, because J has literally gone from a hyper baby squealing at the top of his voice to a snoring, fast asleep baby in his travel cot. I'm now worrying about him so I can't sleep confused
He has NEVER done this, only time he's gone in a cot is his at home after being fed and transferred asleep.

This is his travel cot, I put him in there to play while I got my pjs on, he was wide awake. It took me less than a minute and he's zonked and snoring. Please give me a slap! We're in the hospital fgs, it's not like he's in any danger just not tucked up with me like I'm used to.

ValiumQueen Tue 09-Apr-13 21:26:28

Slaps tits lovingly with the now rancid quiche fish. Go to sleep while you can x

BigPigLittlePig Tue 09-Apr-13 21:26:57

Tits make the most of it! Quite possibly because hospitals are hotter than the sun quite warm and sleep inducing.

PetiteRaleuse Tue 09-Apr-13 21:28:19

WaS he overtired tits ? They can sometimes get hyper when knackered then just as you think they're about to explode they zonk out. DD1 does this. A lot. When we miss the sleepy cues. Most nights atm.

PetiteRaleuse Tue 09-Apr-13 21:30:59

Up to 12 oz. ok, less than half, more than a third. She's finding life hikarious right now and kicking me very energetically between coughs.

Yes to overtired, the little bugger angel hasn't slept since this morning.

He's discovered that he can squeal, loudly and so high pitched that my ears and soul die a bit each time. He's decided babbling like he used to is way less fun so now squealing is his method of communication. hmm

BigPigLittlePig Tue 09-Apr-13 21:35:55

Today, F had been awake, bar 30 minutes, since 7am. When we left baby group at 3pm, she was asleep in her pram before we had even left the building. Never seen anything like it!

Sophiathesnowfairy Tue 09-Apr-13 21:40:05

vq O's is on his face and it moves around. Nursery said lots of children have it but I was worried in case it was a reaction to something. It is defo worse with dribble and,like you say dribbled milk. And by morning is pretty much completely gone.

Passmethecrisps Tue 09-Apr-13 21:44:59

Be chilled tits! Enjoy it!

Thanks toomany. Currently we do 7:30, 10:30, 1:30, 4:30, 6:30 and 10. I wonder if pushing each one back slightly thus dropping one from the day would mean she took each one better? The problem is that the start of the day usually works well but it is the final few that she refuses.

PR I hope LO gets a better appetite soon. Glad your dog is okay as well. Better weather will surely help. How is the kitty?

BigPigLittlePig Tue 09-Apr-13 21:52:18

I'm quite envious of those of you with routine.
One day, one day <mutters>

Off to bed - here's hoping F sleeps enough so I can drive dahn sarf to meet evil and the lovely N tomorrow.

PetiteRaleuse Tue 09-Apr-13 21:53:41

Weather forecast has gone up ton21 and sunny for Sunday. Please let this be true.

MissMummy1 Tue 09-Apr-13 21:54:49

Lovely day with lovely ladies. smile VQ J is as gorgeous as ever! Pass has a boinging jockey in the making. My M was making eyes at Cacacaz ' M and Izzy 's J and Matilda made us both look like liars by having a wee snooze!

Strange one at work tonight. New client. Already whinging about my fees. This one will be fun hmm .

M threw up all over my mum when I was out. In her hair, down her top, everywhere!! envy << not a jealous face!

Sophiathesnowfairy Tue 09-Apr-13 21:55:05

pass why don't you try dropping the 4:30. Make the feeds at 7:30,10:30 and 6:30 slightly bigger and cut a bit out of your 1:30( and try to move it closer to 2) so she takes a good feed at 6:30 to help her bulk up for the nights sleep.

TooManyDicksOnTheDancefloor Tue 09-Apr-13 21:57:55

pass-I don't know how much B is taking as she's BF but she definitely feeds for longer and doesn't mess around as much now she's four hourly. Your feeds are a bit clustered towards the evening so she's probably not very hungry.

MissMummy1 Tue 09-Apr-13 22:09:34

Fucking hell. I think Tilly might have just self settled without tears for the first time ever! A little bit of hand holding and she was out for the count!

I give her 20 mins tops

Izzybuzzybuzzybees Tue 09-Apr-13 22:13:58

Fingers crossed MM!

I had a lovely day at the meet. Was so nice talking to other mums with babies around the same age. I'm still in shock at James having not one but two naps! He's currently wide awake kicking about on the floor showing I signs of wanting to eat or sleep :-(

I'm tired!

Kyzordz Tue 09-Apr-13 22:19:05

pass I have tried dropping Eric's dream feed to see if it helps with the other bottles. That means he is only being offered 4 during the day though which I am a bit worried about. He was drinking about 37-40oz, I have with a fight maintained this because of the df, however I was thinking that perhaps he is growing less rapidly and needing less milk, so I thought I'd try this approach. Yesterday I did not push the issue too much and he took 28oz, today he took 28 1/2. I could get another 8 in with the df but if he keeps sleeping through i am assuming he does not need it? To me its a huge deal as he wolfed down 10oz more a couple of weeks ago easily and would often seem hungry still. If in 3 days time (it is 3 days to see a change isn't it?) he isn't drinking with less of a fight I could re-instate the df, but is 28oz really that small an amount? I don't know If to be grateful he is drinking that much or worry that it is a chunk off his usual!

Anyway, what I meant was, I would try dropping the df and see what happens. I am accepting results are not instant and babies are trial and error repeats lots to get it to sink in

E has had rusk again today. He eats 1/2 a rusk made with 1/2oz milk. He started this behaviour before food so he hasn't caused it, and he eats with more enthusiasm than he drinks so I am going to keep offering it him and see what happens. Might have to move away from rusk at some point though!!

Glad you all enjoyed your meet up smile

PennieLane Tue 09-Apr-13 22:19:56

sophia I travel a lot with work-mainly S America, and have wondered how it would be compatible with children. Apparently an iPad is a good investment for skyping good night. Hope you manage to get your way and keep trips to a minimum! Is it easier than you thought, going back?

PetiteRaleuse Tue 09-Apr-13 22:29:54

I used to travel with work. If I go back to my current job I shouldn't have to, but if I go for something in the same field but elsewhere I'd be lucky to avoid it. Years ago when I lived in London I had to travel every month or so and hated everything about it and that was before I had children. I don't want to have to do it in the future.

kirrinIsland Tue 09-Apr-13 23:11:07

Evening all smile

Glad the meet went well.

* Sophia* N doesn't have a rash on her face, but she does have it on her hands - I assume from chewing them all day long. I am reluctant to put anything on it as I think it needs to dry out more than anything. It is also better in the miring and gets steadily worse all day.

Like stunt despite having a shocking sleeper, I am still keen on having another. Just not yet! N will have to be at least 2 before I even think about it, but the fact that 5 months of no sleep haven't put me off is a pretty good sign that it is what I want just need to convince DP

Potty training has begun in our house! DD1 seems to have decided she's ready so we're going for it whilst at home - no accidents yet! She still in nappies when out and about as I don't think she's ready for that yet and i don't want to put her off.

Izzybuzzybuzzybees Tue 09-Apr-13 23:16:41

Bedtime in the buzzy household. Maybe meeting so many well behaved good sleeping babies may mean James has a try at sleeping better tonight?! Nope don't think so but I'm ever hopeful!

Izzybuzzybuzzybees Tue 09-Apr-13 23:18:36

Bedtime in the buzzy household. Maybe meeting so many well behaved good sleeping babies may mean James has a try at sleeping better tonight?! Nope don't think so but I'm ever hopeful!

GTbaby Tue 09-Apr-13 23:28:53

First night feed done. Hope he goes to 4.30. I'm going to work tomorrow to Tell my colleague I'm pregnant blush not sure how ill break it...
From everything I hear she has been filing my boots well and may be glad of another year in charge. Or she is hating it shockwill find out soon.

Am 15 weeks along now. Goes so quickly! Glad some of you are thinking about nxt babies lolwink don't let me be the only one having my nxt for too long. And also we need someone else we can tell the shocking news to our partners about!

My question. Do I NEED to buy new bottles for nxt baby? I have 4 tiny TT ones. 6 white large bottles all hardly used. And 6 blue large bottles which I used most of the time. Can't I just buy new teats?

StuntNun Tue 09-Apr-13 23:30:34

I just bought new teats GT, the bottles are on the third baby!

kirrinIsland Wed 10-Apr-13 00:05:06

Grr. Think tonight is gonna be a shocker. She usually goes straight into her cot after a bottle of ebm, but so far I've had 2 failed transfers sad

LuisGarcia Wed 10-Apr-13 00:12:14

weary fistbump for you, kirrin

MaMaPo Wed 10-Apr-13 00:19:47

I'll join in, Kirrin and Luis. Onto the second feed already - I suspect I'll be popping in frequently.

Clarella Wed 10-Apr-13 00:32:31

well I just slept solidly for 3 hours! fab smile I'm confused as to what exactly has gone on since I've been asleep ( got a bit shirty when I kept asking grin ) but dh has basically picked up and pretty much put down once, and done some hand holds/ hand on heads which has kept lo asleep ish 8-11:45 - basically no feeds but he's not cried at all for them, just a bit of help resettling before he properly woke up. (he totally can't resettle any more)

but we can still do this now as it's a bedside cot. if it helps its worth a try.

Im sort of of the opinion he can't resettle at the mo without a bit of help but breaking the feed association is a good thing as he's actually gone 4 hours without and I've managed to get him to feed for much longer just now. so should last technically! feels ok as he's definitely not ill now.

I soooo wish I'd swaddled. we were told not to. and then recently a hv said for naps wrap him up (swaddle) but leave hands free as that's how they self settle. however, I now realise his longest independent naps are in the pram when out in a cafe with lots of blankets/ snow suit over his bottom half. so trialling a thin sheet tightly tucked over his sleeping bag just under arms and a heavy blanket over his feet in an effort to hold him down a bit - it looks very old fashioned. it's not particularly warmer for him as top half still exposed. if it works it's a damn sight safer than the bf pillow he ended up on from 4 last night! what do the quiche think?

interestingly again - we use weighted blankets for calming some of the asd kids at school, they do feel nice when you try them!

Lily311 Wed 10-Apr-13 00:33:52

I am here. First feed of the night. She had an amazing 6.5 hours stretch.

Clarella Wed 10-Apr-13 00:34:09

sad kirrin luis mama - I'll be with you from now on I reckon.....

itsnotyouitsMeals Wed 10-Apr-13 01:26:03

Hey all! Sleep regression, a weekend in London (and a night out!), a tow truck back to Oxford with a broken down car, a defunct boiler so no hot water or heat and here we are. Am half caught up but wanted to say hi.

Sorry to hear about poorly baby pr, fucking redundancy fatima, reflux bplp and cmpi vq. Happy birthday belatedly to mm and stunt. I know there's more but need to catch up properly. Thinking of you lily

Controversially maybe, I did 'pure' BLW with DD1 and will with DD2 pending advice from paed as we got a referral for DD2 as am off dairy and soya. I just couldn't face purees and wanted to eat myself as I am greedy hence needing to lose 2 stone still

bplp you mentioned Minehead. I was born and grew up there!

Um, I have a Manduca which I love, whoever asked about slings.

And DD1 didn't have formula when I went back to work she just reverse cycled like stunt explained. She's three and I still feed her at bedtime. I wish I didn't!!

Anyway hope ladies and luis are sleeping.
Meals x

itsnotyouitsMeals Wed 10-Apr-13 01:28:29

Oh. See you're not getting sleep luis. Or mama kirrin clarella. Am going to try to zzzz now. FC for you guys. X

itsnotyouitsMeals Wed 10-Apr-13 01:29:01

And lily. Sleep dust all round

ValiumQueen Wed 10-Apr-13 01:31:21

Back to frequent night waking it seems hmm woke at midnight and now 1.30. Sounds and looks as if he is in pain again. More vomiting and these are very acidic. If he wakes again tonight I am not sure I will be waiting until baby clinic on Thursday.

Just in time for fucking cunting sweary Wednesday. hmm

itsnotyouitsMeals Wed 10-Apr-13 01:32:44

Missed out tits in hospital. Hope you're all doing ok. Z

itsnotyouitsMeals Wed 10-Apr-13 01:33:52

vq ranitidine has helped loads here. Can't remember if J has it already?

LuisGarcia Wed 10-Apr-13 01:48:29

I've got hiccups

kirrinIsland Wed 10-Apr-13 01:50:30

<Fist bumps luis>
<and mama and Clarella>

First feed - 1.5 hours after I finally got her down in her cot sad

Oh no VQ - just when he was doing so well sad Hope he's ok and you get some sleep

A 6.5 hour stretch is great lily - hope he goes back down for another one.

Blimey meals - sounds like you've been busy smile

ValiumQueen Wed 10-Apr-13 01:52:09

Meals J is on fuck all for reflux as the medics insist he has not got it. The dietician said he has. He has just had the worst coughing fit and sounds so very sore. He is shattered and does not want to be awake.

I am so fucking angry. I have been saying since he was 8 fucking weeks old that there is a problem.

I will get hold of the dietician tomorrow and ask her what she thinks is best. Maybe meds for reflux or CMPI free formula or both. I think the solids are possibly making things worse too.

ValiumQueen Wed 10-Apr-13 01:54:59

I am going to try to sleep now.

I fucking hate hiccups Luis. Hope they fuck off soon.

Lily311 Wed 10-Apr-13 02:01:31

Thanks for sleepy dust. I am afraid to say that Olivia might have got her share but I def haven't. Insomnia sucks.

Luis, hiccups are hideous. Especially at night time.

Clarella Wed 10-Apr-13 02:44:43

<flings self onto quiche wailing>

gah to stupid farts! woke him up angry he then started to nod off on my shoulder but wasn't comfy and he simply gets so cross he's been woken. so bloody comfort feeding. still, 2 and a half hours is progress. I so wish he were not on these prophylactic antibiotics. totally messed up his tummy. he'd better jump a centile after all this.... I suppose some would have said leave his to self settle sad

hiccups at night are crap . could try a spoon of sugar luis?

oh vq that does sound refluxy. although a bit of a nightmare you could try infant gavisgon to test if reflux. only other thing is that g's water infection was picked up as I was questioning reflux - he was being sick and pain while feeding unsettled at nights. no other symptoms.

Clarella Wed 10-Apr-13 02:45:41

vq I think solids can make reflux worse...

Clarella Wed 10-Apr-13 02:58:27

right have squeezed as many farts out of that child as possible, Googled cherry dummies (gonna go to tommee tippee factory up here n do a raid soon) and tightly tucked that sheet over him again as I reckon it's helped.

PurplePidjin Wed 10-Apr-13 03:04:38

I am a horrible, evil, nasty mummy. I forgot to bring the parent unit of the monitor up to bed. I was eventually woken by howls no tears though sadsadsad

On the other hand...

6 hours!!!!!!!!!!


<makes brew for non-sleepers>

TheDetective Wed 10-Apr-13 03:46:23

Fuck you 2am. Fuck you. angry

I made it to 3am by Calpol and pacing. Now he is fucking feeding.

Cunting bastarding night feeds. And a DP who is too weak to make him go longer when he bloody well can.


I fucking hate night feeds.

TheDetective Wed 10-Apr-13 03:54:48

Ha. He just puked all over DP. I knew I was right. Men never listen. Now we have pukey blankets, swaddle and a full change done.

ValiumQueen Wed 10-Apr-13 04:01:07

Awake again after 1.5 hours. He was trying to self settle then started with coughing and woke DD2 up. Comfort feed in progress.

Clarella the medics have said it is not reflux and advised to start giving fruit puree as he is constipated on the LF formula. I would not be happy to give gaviscon as it would constipate him further.

Detective the dietician said babies with CMPI can be fine on SMA LF for some time due to partly hydrogelised milk proteins. Possibly got wrong word, but this could explain your boys problem too.

Been asleep and have had nightmares. Mainly of movement monitors and finding zombie baby in cot. I knew it was a dream as he was sitting in a corner. Really horrid though.

I am not tolerating many nights like this. I will be very insistent at the GP tomorrow if not today. First call will be to dietician though. Thank fuck she called on Monday and gave me the heads up this was likely to happen.

ValiumQueen Wed 10-Apr-13 04:06:36

PP I have heard a theory that a baby will sleep through when mummy is too fucking tired to be woken by cries. I don't think it is true as my girls both slept through very early and boo was right next to me as we were camping. We do tend to respond to tiny noises though that our partners sleep through, thus possibly preventing them learning to self settle.

TheDetective Wed 10-Apr-13 04:56:33

I've had to put him next door to fucking cry. I can't fucking do this.

I've had efuckingnough. There is nothing wrong with him. He's just refusing to sleep no matter what.

2 hours now and fucking counting.

Clarella Wed 10-Apr-13 05:03:22

well done pidg! envy

no not a good idea on the gavisgon if he's already bunged up. definitely get on the phone in the morning vq and I hope you get somewhere with it pdq.

arse. so will he never self settle now?
chopping on my nipple while squeezing out more wind. super angry that I even attempted not to feed. mind you it wakes him up more so at least he's feeding better. another 2 hours than the 1 it has been at this time. really wish I'd kept up with dummies at night - he sucked on one for a couple of hours when struggling with wind at 8 weeks. gonna keep up with the probiotic I was recommended for him as been a bit slack. it might help.

Clarella Wed 10-Apr-13 05:04:02

oh hugs detective sad

TheDetective Wed 10-Apr-13 05:04:15

Picked basket up, swung it for all of 10 seconds and he's gone. confused

What the actual fuck????

PurplePidjin Wed 10-Apr-13 05:08:32

That is possible VQ and one reason i put him in his room - i don't necessarily get more sleep but the sleep i get is better quality iyswim because i don't twitch every time he does. The rooms are separated by built in cupboards, so he was shouting pretty loud but he wasn't upset. Not like this one, 2 hours after he last went down hmm

Good luck with the foot stamping. If they refuse to give you what you want, try accusing them of starving your baby. Get melodramatic, demand referrals and second opinions - even another gp from the same practice. They are being ridiculous and i wonder if PALS should be aware of how you've been treated?

YellowWellies Wed 10-Apr-13 05:27:13

<hugs> VQ I know it doesn't help to say it but you guys have been treated shockingly. Call NHS24 and get shouty - they've heard of CMPI and reflux even if many GPs have not. As for your suspicians re weaning yes the texture and acidity of solids can make the condition worse hence weaning being a bit of a bugger and not the 'cure' many HVs seem to think it is. Do you have any questions you'd like me to throw at our dietician on Friday?

kirrinIsland Wed 10-Apr-13 05:51:08

VQ this is getting ridiculous now sad It probably is time to shout and rant and refuse to leave without a referral. Poor J. At least the dietitian knows what she's talking about..

6 hours is great pidj smile

detective glad he finally gave in.

clarella wind seems to be an issue here too - i'm not sure if that's what's waking her but she's really stinky while feeding! Self settling doesn't happen here either - attempts to get her to result in hysterics every time sad

Lily311 Wed 10-Apr-13 06:55:39

My baby is on the mend. Woke 3 times only. It would have been two but I wAs too noisy tossing and turning. Daytime naps are the answer.

StuntNun Wed 10-Apr-13 07:02:02

It's partially hydrolysed milk proteins VQ. In the Enfamil-type formulas the milk protein has been hydrolysed. This just means the actual protein molecules have been broken down into smaller pieces so that they are less allergenic. I assume that the lactose-free formulas are partially hydrolysed as a result of the processing so that they contain less intact milk protein than regular formula. So that's why babies improve at first in the lactose-free formula, it's not actually anything to do with it being lactose-free. Hope that makes sense.

Pikz Wed 10-Apr-13 07:12:20

VQ mama bear needs to appear now. Good luck today.

Detective, kirrin, Clarella, luis, mamapo, pijin and all others up big hugs and brew

Trying some carrot today!

fruitpastilles Wed 10-Apr-13 07:42:58

Oh vq poor J, I really hope you get some answers soon!

Well we had an okayish night, 4 wakes but just for her dummy my god do I ever regret giving her one but at least she went straight back to sleep each time, which is an improvement on 2 hours awake time at stupid o'clock in the morning. Up for the day at 6:30.

Kyzordz Wed 10-Apr-13 07:44:55

Morning all. Another 11 hours, but with 15 mins in the middle when he had an oz of water at 3am. I am now worried I am starving him, but the very wise vq once told me a healthy baby will not stay asleep if that hungry, so I am clinging onto that. He drained 8oz at 7 and Is back asleep now :S so also worried he is not healthy and I am thick. But he is very happy through the day usually. I will try to just go with the fact he has dropped an entire feed equating to roughly 10 oz less, and just hope it's ok!

vq poor j and poor you sad hope something is done for him, sounds like last night was rough and it's worse than unfair! Poor fella

det glad he went off eventually

Forgot to say well done to minustunt for the 7.5hrs, was last night good too?

brew for those needing it and lots of hugs

Least its sweaty fucking Wednesday eh?

PennieLane Wed 10-Apr-13 07:47:56

thanks To everyone. It seems like there were lots of bad nights, although some improvements too-great news lily

Good luck telling work today GT smile

I need to break sleep association with bf, not going well AT ALL. Will stop and try again in a few weeks. Just gets anxious. I really don't want to bf beyond about 8 months.

PurplePidjin Wed 10-Apr-13 08:06:10

I got another two hours <jaw hits floor> he woke at 7:30, then sang to puppy for 15 minutes while i ignored him dozed. Went in to a little smile peeping over the edge of the crib... Time for the cot before he tips it over? It's a swinging crib although it's anchored not free so doesn't swing, but if he can lift his head that far I'm concerned he might overbalance it confused

itsnotyouitsMeals Wed 10-Apr-13 08:20:23

Good luck today vq am sure you won't need it as you'll kick butt and get the help J needs. It's so hard watching them in pain and not being able to help.

Sorry also to ally hose who had bad nights. Here's coffee brew and sleep dust for long naps.

itsnotyouitsMeals Wed 10-Apr-13 08:20:39

All those not ally hose!!

TryingtobelessChunkyChick Wed 10-Apr-13 08:29:04

Sorry so many had bad nights. Hugs & brew all round...

Had a fucking awful night here but due to DH not DS. Long story short, I'm pissed off at his apparent selfishness, he was being a typical man trying to come up with "solutions" when all I want is for him to say, "yes, you're right, I do have it easy sometimes, I do get to swan off and do what I want for days at a time". Which isn't straight forward for me, even if I wanted to. So DS woke me at 3.30 & I've been awake ever since sad

VQ good luck & kick butt wink

Clarella Wed 10-Apr-13 08:32:00

wow pidj get R!

training dh to dress G while I shower in the morning - fucking hell how did his mother ever teach him to dress himself??? curdling screams and found the poor mite flopping forward headbutting floor as dh thought he could practice sitting at same time. ffs!

fruit I heartily wish I had as I agree with (can't see on app) that breaking the bf association with sleep is bloody hard.

however day 2 of our 'plan' seems to be getting fruition. twice he slept solidly for 2 and half hours, once for 2 and didn't need a feed for the first 4. it's tricky but a hand on his head and holding his hand seems to be enough to help settle him if we get in early so I'm hoping eventually it'll be less and less. also, I'm going to regularly dose him with this probiotic which helps with the antibiotic poos as he really could be on it for quite some time. it was poo pains waking him at 6, went back to sleep on me only to be woken again. also agree that day time naps are an important part of it all.

I don't feel too sweary yet so will swear on other's behalf: fucking professionals get your act together for vq
bloody weather get better for pr

fucking sleepy dust fucking work for Detective, kirrin, luis, mamapo, and fruit and me.

Clarella Wed 10-Apr-13 08:34:27

... and I'm sure it needs to work for some others too.

how is lo today pr?

PetiteRaleuse Wed 10-Apr-13 09:26:49

Morning. I think LO is a little better today thanks. She was up once for a feed of 3oz at 2, then 4 at 7am. So not starving herself.

PetiteRaleuse Wed 10-Apr-13 09:27:16

Oh, forgot it was sweary fucking Wednesday.

TooManyDicksOnTheDancefloor Wed 10-Apr-13 09:32:41

Morning all, bad night here too. DH and I we up every hour putting the dummy back in, I can't complain though as she goes straight back off with the dummy, I just feel very tired due to broken sleep.

brew to all those who have had bad nights.

I'm sorry to hear that J is in pain again vq thanks

We're off to see the holistic dentist today about B's lip tie today

ChasingDaisy Wed 10-Apr-13 09:35:43

Quick question before I catch up. Is there any reason why O's poos suddenly smell acidic? Should I be worried?

PetiteRaleuse Wed 10-Apr-13 09:38:51

No idea chasing sorry.

Anyone else's baby started shaking her head from side to side as if saying nooooooooo but laughing hysterically while doing it? Wondering if it is just a cool thing to do or a way of relieving ear pain?