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November 2012 - GTbaby is back! Hooray hooray!

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StuntNun Mon 01-Apr-13 17:48:16
ValiumQueen Mon 01-Apr-13 17:57:43

Ha ha! Very good!

MissMummy1 Mon 01-Apr-13 18:00:33


Donnadoon Mon 01-Apr-13 18:14:38


PurplePidjin Mon 01-Apr-13 18:21:57


Pikz Mon 01-Apr-13 19:17:15


fruitpastilles Mon 01-Apr-13 19:26:56

Welcome back GT smile

PetiteRaleuse Mon 01-Apr-13 19:35:47

Welcome back flowers

BigPigLittlePig Mon 01-Apr-13 19:36:30

<pulls up chair and awaits tales of GTs travels>

GTbaby Mon 01-Apr-13 19:37:04

Hello everyone. A thread named after me. How chuffed am I.

I'm now 13 weeks. My first scan is Thursday. A bit nervous. Also starting to stress about finding out sex. If I'm having a boy I'm worried ill be upset. Well I know ill be upset. I really want a girl. Really really really want a girl. Oh dear. Not gona think about it. Yet.

Anyway. Fab day at harrods.

BigPigLittlePig Mon 01-Apr-13 19:43:34

GT maybe the next one could be a girl, if this one was another boy?? wink

ChasingDaisy Mon 01-Apr-13 19:47:08

I welcomed you back on the other thread but seems more appropriate to do so here smile. <waves> I don't think you know me but the quiche have been awesome to me in your absence smile

daisychain76 Mon 01-Apr-13 19:50:21

Welcome back GT!

Feeling tired and fed up, so will go now.

ShellyBobbs Mon 01-Apr-13 20:19:47

Welcome back grin

Catbag Mon 01-Apr-13 20:58:30


PennieLane Mon 01-Apr-13 21:36:22

Welcome back gt we missed you! FC for the scan, I think it's good to find out then you'll have plenty of time to get used to it either way!

itsnotyouitsMeals Mon 01-Apr-13 21:54:34

Hey GT am a long term stalker lurker who emerged from hiding about two threads ago. Welcome back. Meals x

Jims Mon 01-Apr-13 22:21:33

Hello GT hope you're glad to be home and that you're not feeling too sicky.

Chasing hang in there, you've had lots of great advice but it really does suck. Hopefully if the sun comes out more (please please let this be the case) you can get out more and it really does make a difference even if it's cold.

Quiche advice sought here - I was a bit worried I might take so long to type, it would get lost the way this thread moves. F had his hospital appointment about the UTIs on Thursday last week. They've decided he can come off the antibiotics (hurrah - but now hoping he doesn't get another one!). And he had his radioactive kidney scan which looked to be fine. On the downside, they weighed him as part of the check and he'd put on all of 100g in 4 weeks which gave me a bit of a shock as I wasn't expecting that despite him being really sicky. He's fallen to between the 25-50th centiles now from being a 9lb 10oz baby. He's alert, meeting developmental milestones etc. He's had a horrible cold from his brother for the last couple of weeks prior to this. He still sleeps ok at night too, occasionally waking for a feed but mostly going from a dream feed through till 6.30am.

The Dr we saw in the clinic took his history and gave us a prescription of ranitidine and domperidone for the reflux symptoms. He's been quite hard to feed, getting distracted, crying and pulling away from me so I was happy with this. But then she called back and said she'd spoken to the consultant who'd advised early weaning instead of the reflux meds. He's been trying to grab my bananas and putting them in his mouth to chew on, sits up ok with support so I didn't think it would be awful to start now. He's now coming up to 21 weeks on Thursday and I've given him tiny bits of baby rice and let him chew on a banana once since then. But today I gave him a proper couple of tablespoons of banana and then he did about 5 greenish poos when normally he goes several days without one so I'm wondering whether it's a bit early still. My current thinking is to maybe leave it a couple of weeks as the doctor will never know. Or go back to just a tiny bit of baby rice to make things a bit thicker in his tummy. In my head I know milk has more calories and that he looks and acts fine so he probably is, but my heart just wants him to put on weight better!

YW have a question for you - I went dairy-light (I know you say you have to go dairy free if it's to help reflux but couldn't quite manage it!) and then had a couple of days at my in-laws where I had milk on cereal. I've since had trouble with most dairy products - causing quite bad stomach upsets over the last month. I know I need to go and see the GP (again) about it but seem to recall your dietician said this can happen with dairy. Did she give you any advice on how to reintroduce it? Is it just a take it slowly thing? Really hoping this hasn't affected F's weight gain.

Limpit80 Mon 01-Apr-13 23:01:51

Hello Gt pleased to meet you. Am also recently de-lurked! grin

StuntNun Mon 01-Apr-13 23:13:01

Jims bananas can make nappies very interesting indeed so it could just be that. There's probably no reason why you shouldn't start weaning now if it would help with the reflux but I'm sure someone else on this thread was advised to wait longer due to reflux. Calorie-wise milk is probably as good as anything for weight gain, I can't see carrot or baby rice having a lot of calories. But with all the illness lately maybe a bit of extra milk would help catch up on the weight gain.

Lily311 Tue 02-Apr-13 07:02:08

Welcomeback gt.

I am shocked. She slept through. She went to sleep at 6.50 and woke at 6.50. On Sat night she was up every hour. Sun night every 2 hours. Whatever happened, pls last.

YellowWellies Tue 02-Apr-13 07:57:16

Jims yep I was advised to wean later to protect DS' stomach - but I'm dairy free and he is sticking to his centile - so it's a different kettle of fish. If I were still exposing him to dairy then I think I'd be advised to wean early to reduce the damage to his stomach and colon. I've been warned to expect D&V when reintroducing it to my diet - am off to see the dietician on 12th April for weaning advice so I will know more then and let you know.

8.30 - 3 then 3.15 - 7.40. Get in! Feeling like shit, think have caught another bug off my sister's kids - am making today a duvet day. This is worse than when I smoked - when I seemed to catch everything! Little children are contagious wee beasts.

PetiteRaleuse Tue 02-Apr-13 08:09:39

Morning. Up once during the night but can't blame her since she spent several days hardly eating. MUch better this morning. I am hoping that when she was checked over yesterday she was scared into getting better the thorough clean and check of the ear helped. Fingers crossed.

First day of the full time SAHM life for me today. DD1 no longer goes to nursery. And the house already looks like a bomb's hit it. Oh well..

kirrinIsland Tue 02-Apr-13 08:13:47

Yay to lily and YW I bet that feels good smile

Would it be horribly selfish to give N a bit of formula so I can actually sleep somewhere along the way? It seemed like such a good idea when I was in the depths of despair last night, but in the cold light of day I'm not so sure.

Off to the zoo today. Might be a bit chilly but it'll be good to get out.

Sophiathesnowfairy Tue 02-Apr-13 08:31:53

jims rather than trying raw fruit I would make up some purees. I think the cooking gets rid of any bacteria and also, obviously, makes it easier to make purees.

O has been dropping off his line and I was told that he might be better weaned as he has never really seemed to like milk much. He loves his food and we have increased the amounts over the 2 1/2 weeks we have been doing it. He feels like he had put on weight, though I have yet to have him weighed. But he generally seems like a happier baby tbh.

Sophiathesnowfairy Tue 02-Apr-13 08:33:30

PS regardless of what I have just said if it really is a dairy issue I would defo wait a bit, having one child with lactose and soy intolerance is not fun.

ValiumQueen Tue 02-Apr-13 08:43:14

kirrin you have done amazingly well with feeding. A bit of formula now and then will not hurt LO or your supply, and if it gives you a bit of rest, then go ahead. Not long and you will be introducing solids, cooking with cows milk etc.

311 great news! Long may it continue.

pr please do not worry about the housework. Try to find ways of enjoying your new role. Try to see it as a job in as much as organising, planning, positive attitude etc. but also try to enjoy it too. Get out as much as possible. Good luck!

J is going to have his first taste of carrot today. Largely because he needs fibre to help with the poo. He is taking the prune juice really well, and seems to enjoy it, so I think he is ready. He is 23 weeks on Thursday.

fruitpastilles Tue 02-Apr-13 08:49:48

vq has the prune juice helped J with his poos? S is doing little hard rabbit like poos so I think he could do with a bit of help.

fruitpastilles Tue 02-Apr-13 08:51:02

She even not he

ChasingDaisy Tue 02-Apr-13 08:51:51

Rubbish night. O not too bad but I just couldn't sleep. Feel sick. Very long day ahead. Ugh.

Passmethecrisps Tue 02-Apr-13 08:54:38

Do what you need to do kirrin. You have worked incredibly hard to get to this stage so any anxiety is perfectly natural. I really do think that at this stage a happy and rested mum is worth one carton of formula.

jims we were advised to consider early weaning. Response to the medication and appropriate weight gain seemed to be the factors. The dietitian I saw took a look at P's daily formula totals and her weight gain before giving the opinion that it wasn't necessary. My understanding is that it is to move babies on quickly so they can start the more calorific solids.

Am I being precious being a bit concerned that P seems to have stalled a bit developmentally. I keep hearing about babies reaching out for things and P seems miles away from this. She still seems to have very little control over her arms. The only thing she seems interesting in developing is her legs.

PetiteRaleuse Tue 02-Apr-13 08:57:15

VQ I have heard that cooked carrot can make a constipated baby more constipated. Was certainly the case for DD1. We were advised back then to give bananas, cooked pears and apples. But there doesn't seem to be much consensus on the issue.

Re the housework our house is open plan. It's hard to escape mess, and the bedrooms are small so for sleeping only. Add to that the animals and the sodding clutter which I can't face doing and which doesn't bother DH I find myself unable to relax. Which is bizarre as I NEVER bothered about housework til we moved here. It's smaller and I spend more time here and I'm starting to really hate it.

An example. The stupid bathroom has a black sink. Looks lovely. Or it did when it was new. We have hard limey water here. Sinks are also used with toothpaste and soap. Why put in a black sink? It doesn't just need a wipe down after every use it needs a full clean at least once a day.

Passmethecrisps Tue 02-Apr-13 08:59:59

sophia not liking milk seems to be the issue here are well. P just seems a bit meh about milk. Sadly I think she is still some weeks away from weaning being worth our while.

ChasingDaisy Tue 02-Apr-13 09:04:17

O doesn't seemed fussed about milk either. He will only eat I'd he is really hungry. He has been up since 7 and hasn't taken a feed yet. When he is tired and hungry he would much prefer to sleep. He then wakes up after half an hour screaming hungry, have a quick feed and back to sleep.

Getting him weighed at his 4 week check today so will see how he is getting on. He seems nowhere near ready for weaning, think we will be waiting until 26 weeks.

ValiumQueen Tue 02-Apr-13 09:08:44

fruit J has done a small amount of poo the last two days, but needs a proper go. He is having a small amount of prune juice daily until it regulates. He is busy going red-faces at the moment so fingers crossed.

pr I will try fruit then. Thank you. Black sink? My sympathies.

pass please do not worry about P. She is doing fine - they all do things in a slightly different order, and she is a bright animated little thing. How was your night?

PurplePidjin Tue 02-Apr-13 09:14:28

kirrin that sounds like a bloody awesome idea. I get 2-3 hour bursts plus have dp around to take R out or I'd consider the same.

He found his feet this morning finally, hoping that's the mental leap done and his sleep will start to settle...

ChunkyEasterChick Tue 02-Apr-13 09:15:18

7th night broke the sleeping through run sad but only 1 4am wake for a quick feed so can't complain too much

BigPigLittlePig Tue 02-Apr-13 09:18:21

Not a bad night, up at 3, 5 and 8, but I swear to god I am more tired these past few weeks than I was when she was a newborn. It's making the mornings in particular quite a bad place - yesterday was a low day and luckily I had an arrangement to meet a friend so had to drag myself out which made things better. I feel like I've lost sight of who I am. Sorry for the moan.

pass over this weekend, F has started to whack things more frequently with her hands, which makes me think that she might be trying to hit them. She's 18 weeks. Definitely no grabbing going on though. Legs however are as strong as an ox.

F has been very fussy when feeding for a few days, yanking my nipples and tearing her head from side to side ow Any thoughts on why??

PetiteRaleuse Tue 02-Apr-13 09:19:55

I know. When we moved kn we were all ooh what a lovely bathroom suite. Black and chrome. By day three we were cursing the landlord for being a stupid cunt. Who the fuck wants to spend tveir lives cleaning their bathroom? And if you leave it for a couple of days it is harder to clean.

YellowWellies Tue 02-Apr-13 09:21:02

BPLP that could be earache - Jonas does it if I've eaten or drunk something that taints the milk - caffeine, alcohol or soya.

Jims Tue 02-Apr-13 09:25:14

Thanks for that. Maybe I'll try some cooked veg instead of banana. I did more BLW with DS1 so bananas were high on my hit list. I think I was just a bit meh about it after the first doctor said to try the medications as milk was the best thing for him at the moment only for her to be contradicted by the consultant who said weaning was better.

YW I'd be interested to know what the dietician says.

I didn't go dairy free completely as no health care professional has ever mentioned it to me, I've only read what you've said on here. And we have seen a lot of doctors in wee F's life! I was experimenting a bit as it seemed like a double thing - advisable to help get rid of thrush too. It's all a bit of a mystery as the previous month, when I'd done things exactly the same, he'd put on weight fine and seemed to be following the 50th approximately.

Pass don't worry - babies/children all do things at different times. She'll probably amaze you one day and do loads of new stuff. DS1 has always done things early. Save for blimmin' potty training - we've gone back to pull-ups as poos never go in the toilet or potty. He asks me with slight glee each time whether I'm going to put him back in nappies, I'm regretting that threat made in the heat of the moment now! He'll be 3 in May.

MissMummy1 Tue 02-Apr-13 09:33:58

YW that doesn't sound great - baby massage off today then? Hope you feel better soon xxx

M slept in three 4 hour chunks last night. In our bed. We did not. I think she must keep herself thrashing around in her cot - I swear we will have bruises today!

My mum is coming round this morning to help me sort through my wardrobe. M and I are still cosied up in bed blush. I am "working" though....

I am quite shocked by the amount of babies with intolerances and allergies today. Between CMPI and skin complaints, it seems almost every baby as something! I am sure there weren't half as many complaints in our generation, and less still in our mothers' and grandmothers'.

Elizadoesdolittle Tue 02-Apr-13 09:37:12

Well after a fussy evening I put E down at 9:30pm and she woke at 7:30am. Am in total shock. I did her last tube feed at 11pm (she slept through it) and I completely missed her 3am as I slept through it! I used to set an alarm but she was waking up at least once if not twice in the night so I stopped the alarm. I know it was a one off but feels good to know she can do it.

jims I can sympathise with the weight gain. It's a horrible feeling. I'm not sure why they changed their minds on the meds. Sounds a bit odd to me as surely you can do meds and weaning. I have been advised to do early weaning with E and its going very slowly. Am going to pick up the pace this week. I would continue slowly but perhaps used more milk based stuff ie baby rice or perhaps mix the banana or whatever you use with a bit of milk. I'm by no means an expert though, I'm still finding my feet with this puree lark.

And on that note I'm off to batch cook some carrot.......

BigPigLittlePig Tue 02-Apr-13 09:48:04

MM in my grans generation, the slightest sniff of trouble with a bf baby, and the mums were told "your milk's no good" and they got given formula. And they didn't hear the screams as the babies were all outside in their prams grin

Shall eliminate all things nice from my diet then yw - had been having coffee again but it didn't seem to have affected her reflux.
<loud clunk as penny drops>
Maybe that's why she was a miserable little mare at the weekend blush

YellowWellies Tue 02-Apr-13 09:56:21

Yeah DSIL back in the good old days clearly had CMPI she screamed constantly. DFIL was the one medicated though - Valium for his nerves. DSIL was labelled as miserable and colicky and left to cry it out.

My dietician has a couple of theories - better diagnosis, the fact that our generation was weaned far too early and potentially the homogenization of milk. Also auto immune conditions and allergies can be a response to environmental pollutants sad

ChunkyEasterChick Tue 02-Apr-13 09:59:49

Uh oh. Might have hit some unscheduled growth spurt turbulence... Extra hungry, bit grumpy & trying to roll over (from back to front contrary little bugger) might mean he's up to something wink

Passmethecrisps Tue 02-Apr-13 10:00:22

Same as usual VQ. I wake about 3am then approximately every half hour to an hour after that. I have never ever been a very good sleeper for all I love bed. I feel better today though. P is in her Moses basket at the end of the bed. We have a cot bed in the cat's room nursery next door. We have a monitor - pretty ancient thing but seems ok. I was planning to use DH's absence next week to focus on some new sleep routines like upstairs for first bedtime and naps.

BP I know exactly what you mean about losing yourself. Almost made me well up reading that. Getting out and about definitely helps

PetiteRaleuse Tue 02-Apr-13 10:01:36

Yay. Decluttered one surface in the bedroom. I wonder how long before it gets full of crap again.

BigPigLittlePig Tue 02-Apr-13 10:06:48

pr if it's anything like our house, your clean surface has got about 10 minutes, max.

<narrows eyes at collection of my little ponies, newspapers, bib, mugs and pens on previously clean coffee table>

ChunkyEasterChick Tue 02-Apr-13 10:15:21

My DH doesn't see clutter either PR. His side of the bed is hideous - I wouldn't go there except he's by the window so I have to open curtains (which he never does either...) Hate it but not enough hours in the day to go around clearing up after him unfortunately angry

StuntNun Tue 02-Apr-13 10:26:51

MM my mum bought us one of these from John Lewis and J sleeps really well in it, I think because it's so snug. I suspect he feels a bit lost in the big cot.

Kyzordz Tue 02-Apr-13 10:33:51

Morning all

pass p will develop just fine smile she sounds a lovely little thing

pr hope LO is ok bless her. Black bathroom stuff sounds lovely but in put off by the extra cleaning!

Feel so hazy today, meant to reply to so much at the end of the last thread but fuck knows what I wanted to reply to now. Will try to keep up with this thread better

Passmethecrisps Tue 02-Apr-13 10:44:26

Thank you kyz. She is lots of fun usually. She is so snotty poor wee sausage.

And I meant to say YW your post yesterday really helped. Strangely DH said apropo of nothing last night that he felt a bit boring for P. I told him what you said about our love and attention being unconditional for her and it makes so much sense. It also reminded me that p would only giggle when being held by DH or me and how quickly she gets upset if we leave her.

The jury seems to be out on Jumperoo. She loves standing and jumping. On me! She was standing on my knees smiling at the Jumperoo but got upset when in it. She's not well though so she might just not feel like it.

BigPigLittlePig Tue 02-Apr-13 10:47:45

F just grabbed something - my bank card. And waved it around with a big grin on her face. This does not bode well.

ValiumQueen Tue 02-Apr-13 10:51:04

pass have you ever tried calms? I found them helpful when I had insomnia a few years back. They are pretty harmless and you would still wake for wee one and be able to function if she needed you. It sounds like a good plan doing naps in her room to start with. I think once she is used to that she could cope with nights in there fine. She is a pretty cool dude relating to night sleep as far as I can tell.

J had two 3 hour naps yesterday, and still slept pretty darn well. He is a new baby since the special formula. Just his poo to sort. Apple cooked and cooling, awaiting scary bamix blending. Really quite pleased as it means my baby is growing up. I will not be sad to put the baby days behind me.

Those on px formula - how much are you given at a time? I am having to re-order 4 days after I get it as a tin lasts 3 days, and they only give me two at a time. I have requested more this time. I will not be trying him on regular formula until we have seen the dietician. I am still mixed feeding, which I am pleased about. We seem to have found a nice balance to suit him and me.

Passmethecrisps Tue 02-Apr-13 10:51:57

Hahahahahaha! A sign of things to come BP?

Passmethecrisps Tue 02-Apr-13 10:53:41

5 tins a time vq

ValiumQueen Tue 02-Apr-13 10:55:50

bp grin

stunt if they did a grown up version of that, I would buy it. Looks fab. J hates being restricted in any way. He sleeps with his arms outstretched, often holding the bars.

pass J is very good with his arms, but is not bothering with his legs, except for kicking to get the bouncer going. Standing and rolling are clearly not on his list of priorities.

ValiumQueen Tue 02-Apr-13 10:56:50

pass how long does a tin last P? These are wee 400g tins, I guess yours are a similar size.

Passmethecrisps Tue 02-Apr-13 11:19:18

Yup. 400g tins VQ. At 6 180ml bottles per day a tin lasts 2 days. I order a new prescription whenever we start the last prescription if that makes sense. Basically I always have a stock of 5 tins under the sofa. I do this because the pharmacy needs to order it in and I am scared of a supply issue.

Sophiathesnowfairy Tue 02-Apr-13 11:31:25

Love it bp grin

PetiteRaleuse Tue 02-Apr-13 11:56:03

pig that's funny.

LO being all fussy again this lunchtime. Need her to go to sleep but am worried putting her down will wake DD1. Who is asleep. In my bed. Sleep and potty training start next week. Once DH is recoevred from being snipped.

GTbaby Tue 02-Apr-13 13:01:38

Seems like some of our LO are not sleeping. hmm

LO here is teething. Screams n cries at times. Which is so distressing as I'm not used to it with him. He is a very contented baby most the time.
Last night was awful. He had tooth ach, was hot, n over tiered. Took ages to settle him. Used teething gel. Stood by a open window. Until he finally fell asleep.
But when he woke at 5am I bought him into my bed! Wtf am I doing. I have a LO who has no issues sleeping in his cot. But I'm still so jet lagged. Thought I'd feed him in bed. But he fell asleep before I picked bottle up. Maybe he was just cold n wanted a cuddle.

Those upswing teething gel do you use as standard every few hours? Or just when LO is in pain?

BigPigLittlePig Tue 02-Apr-13 13:10:12

Fecking reflux is back. I knew something was up. Fecking coffee. She hasn't stopped whining all morning, has vommed about 4 times, smells of acid. No smiles sad Will gaviscon still help? I think the main issue is the post-reflux pain rather than acid, as such. And I haven't had coffee since yesterday morning so the trigger should have gone...

Sophiathesnowfairy Tue 02-Apr-13 13:18:57

Credit card chat reminded me to order my going back to work shoes. sad

TheDetective Tue 02-Apr-13 13:43:39

BP I feel the same. A foggy mess is my head at the moment. Sometimes I wonder how I function. Also, love the bank card holding. Clever girl!

VQ I got one tin the first prescription. Handed prescription back to reception and said I needed 4 tins for a weeks supply. One tin lasts 2 days here also. IIRC 4.3g is in one scoop. There are 430g in the tin. 4.3 x 8 (ounce feeds) x 6 per day is equal to 206.4g per day, so 2 days is all I will get out of them. If the GP's query it, which they shouldn't, then you can show them that calculation.

I currently have 8 tubs, because I needed the repeat over the bank hol weekend, plus we are going away, so we needed a big supply.

HOWEVER!! After another horrendous night, DP is currently making up CMPF formula.

I'm really struggling again to work out what is wrong. Last night he settled in the cot eventually, but it took over an hour. And was generally horrific. He did stay asleep after that - til 2am. Again. At 2am, he was fed. By me. And then was wide awake. After 10 minutes he fell asleep. I put him in his cot. He woke straight up. He whinged, but not in a crying or distressed way. More in a 'I'm awake' way. I tried white noise. Didn't do a thing. He eventually started crying, so DP got up and tried to settle him. He'd get him to sleep, put him down, and come back in our room. Would get back in bed, and he would wake up again. So we gave calpol. Seemed to calm him a little, but no help with sleep. Eventually DP kept him asleep on him. He woke a couple of times because DP stopped rocking and patting him. At 4am, he finally slept. He woke at 6 for a feed, and settled, but again on DP. Until 8. Which doesn't sound bad. But he was fine sleeping in his cot before this? And settled fine. He behaved like this when he was a newborn!

He's fussing with feeds, properly screaming, arching, punching even(!) at the bottle, will take 3 oz which is what he always did when the reflux was at his worse. I can get another 2oz in, but I have to sing - he point blank refuses it otherwise. How can one little baby be so fucking strong? He actually hurts me, and DP too!

Both me and DP were pretty much in tears last night with it all.

TheDetective Tue 02-Apr-13 13:44:45

Sophia You just reminded me, I threw mine away as they were falling apart! Must get new ones sad

Got my shifts today. First shift back is Thursday 2nd May. Thank fuck it isn't nights.

ChunkyEasterChick Tue 02-Apr-13 13:44:50

GT when I thought DS was teething I tried an amber anklet. It's all a bit voodoo (which I don't buy into) but he was happier once I put it on, & slept through for the first time in 2mths, so I don't care how or why it works, as long as it keeps doing it grin Try www.babyteethingnecklace.co.uk/catalog.html

ChasingDaisy Tue 02-Apr-13 14:21:16

pig sorry you're feeling so tired and crap thanks

GT I use teething gel whenever he seems fussy or in pain because of teeth. The one I have says there is no maximum usage.

Had O's 4 month check. His weight has gone from 25th to 50th percentile which I'm pleased about as I worry he doesn't take enough milk. He obviously knows what he's doing though. Length is 50th percentile and head circumference 90th shock

The skin on his arm is eczema so need to see GP for a prescription. She also agreed with me about him not being a good candidate for early weaning due to his small feeds and agreed with my plan to wait until 26 weeks. I'm glad she agreed with what my instincts were telling me.

It was a nice 5 mile round trip in the sunshine which was good for us both and he is now snoozing on my chest smile

Limpit80 Tue 02-Apr-13 14:21:49


ValiumQueen Tue 02-Apr-13 14:26:37

I think I am doing quite well making a tin last 3 days then. J has a max of 5 bottles a day, sometimes only 4, and he has 7oz feeds. So much for him being a hungry baby. He does have bm too, but not much at all.

detective I would think if it were CMPI with O it would have resulted in problems very quickly with the LF formula. He has been on it at least 3 weeks has he not? I would be more inclined to think reflux or teething but it is worth a try giving him the CMPI formula.

J is not impressed with apple. Not impressed at all. Cue gagging, bless him. Will try again tomorrow and thin it a bit.

PetiteRaleuse Tue 02-Apr-13 14:32:00

Might be a little sour. I remember DD1 shuddering as she swallowed apple at the beginning. i think annabel Karmel suggests adding a bit of cinnamon to soften the bite.

ValiumQueen Tue 02-Apr-13 14:35:46

pr yes, it was a bit sour now you mention it (mean mummy).

Detective The clothes you linked to are lovely. Love the Mark and Sparks ones, and there's a sale on shock
I'd wanted rompers to just pop on over a nappy at the side of the pool. She has a few dresses. I might just put her in vests or dresses though

I've had a look and managed to find this and this
Also found some gorgeous things on JoJo, Vertbaudet and Zulily but they're a bit more expensive so i'm trying to resist grin

Madame is a wingebag today. Haven't got any jobs done yet that I wanted to. She normally entertains herself for a bit but today she's just moaning and refusing to nap angry

She's also cut her feeds down, she hardly has a big feed. Sometimes when she does feed she has a bit then arches her back, pulls away and looks around so it squirts everywhere and then she wont go back on. She seems to be being sick more as well and always all over me I keep having the odd worry she's not getting enough but she seems happy enough, just not interested in boob sad

TheDetective Tue 02-Apr-13 14:58:20

VQ I'm not sure, but he started off fine with the other formulas too, but it built up and up and up to the whole refusal to feed thing. It's hard to explain. He was ok for 2 weeks on the Staydown stuff. Yes, he has had the LF for 3 weeks now.

I seem to remember someone saying to me that the LF was closer to the CMP free stuff. I think even the consultant said that. She said to keep with the LF if he was ok, any signs he was not, give the CMPF. I've got 1 bottle of LF made up, and 4 CMPF free. My goal was 2 weeks on the LF to see the difference.

God it is fucking tough sometimes.

Fatima I love those rompers! I was looking for rompers for you, but the choice was shite! I didn't think about Boots! D'oh!

Oooh, actually now I think, I've got some from Mothercare. Animal ones. Will link. Well I would do, but their site is down?! I'll link when up!

To be honest, if it is a pool holiday, mine lived in the sunsuits, the UV protection ones. We hardly put clothes on any of us! Just in the evening. So sun dresses and cardis would be ok for then?! And in May (is it May you go?) is still quite cool wherever you go in the evening, so tights would be needed too. Or even full babygrows with a cardi.

I'm a total baby clothes addict. blush

TIP! For anyone who is looking! I got the kiddicare buggy bag today! £14.99 for a double buggy bag. Well, I'll pop the pictures on facebook! But, I have got in it - the pram frame, the seat unit, the car seat adapters, raincover AND the motherfuckin' car seat!!! AWESOME! I can't believe we got it all in! And there is room for other stuff around it!

Going to put some blankets and toys in, along with the tubs of formula, nappies, wipes and his swim stuff. It really is fecking huge!!! It just about zips up over the car seat, and was a bit tetris fitting it in, but it definitely does, and as I say, plenty of room around for other stuff!

I ordered 2, in case one wasn't big enough for the frame and the car seat - which was all were were originally planning on taking. But may as well take seat unit since we can! Will send the other one back!

DS1 was inside it this morning. With O! Who loved it. Pair of weirdos!

TheDetective Tue 02-Apr-13 15:09:54

And now I'm annoyed. Kiddicare charge you to return products. Bollocks. Didn't think of that.

Fucksake. Will put it on eBay. Grrrrr.

ChasingDaisy Tue 02-Apr-13 15:10:52

Eczema experts - what's the best thing to ask the GP to prescribe?

ValiumQueen Tue 02-Apr-13 15:12:29

detective big hug. You are doing a splendid job x is the bag to go on the plane? Can you take the car seat on the plane with you in the cabin? The way they throw things around, I would not risk it in the hold personally.

fatima I also think the sun suits are the way to go, with sun protection in the fabric. They can wear them in the pool too, and rinse out easily so you do not need many. I would not have a wee one in the sun with that much exposed flesh on the ones you linked to.

TheDetective Tue 02-Apr-13 15:18:37
TheDetective Tue 02-Apr-13 15:20:36

Thanks VQ. It seems impossible sometimes. Not wanting to cause harm, but wanting to make them feel better!

Unforunately, my dad is a tight arse bastard and wouldn't pay for a seat for O. So the car seat has to go in the hold. sad It goes right up to the gate with us though. If there is any sign of damage to the bag, I'll be claiming for the cost of a new car seat. Bastards.

ChunkyEasterChick Tue 02-Apr-13 15:21:12

Both kids in bed finally, only took 20mins for them both to self-settle so now to plan DD's birthday party!!

Shit. Just seen an advert. DH & I must get wills... blush

TheDetective Tue 02-Apr-13 15:24:04


oilatum initially, and stuff for the bath too. then if very bad, steroid cream. but only if really bad x

ChasingDaisy Tue 02-Apr-13 15:25:50

Thanks Det smile. Just seen that one of those links is for Isabella's toybox - one of the characters is a giraffe called Oscar. Oscar 2 has the bib smile

ValiumQueen Tue 02-Apr-13 15:31:03

chunky I too am planning a sodding birthday party for my 3yo. It will be a scaled down version of DD1s last year - soft play at Burger King, with a cake and loot bags. Just having 4 hand-picked kids from nursery whose mums I know and trust to stay! What are you doing?

BigPigLittlePig Tue 02-Apr-13 15:47:31

The January 2013 thread is 600 posts into it's 2nd antenatal thread. What number are we on now?? blush

detective sorry O is off colour again.
chasing O needs thick, greasy creams to start with, there are heaps of different makes. Used often, they will usually settle down simple eczema.
fatima I think Sainsburys had some nice rompers in, if you were after something cheap & cheerful - and not just pink either!

PetiteRaleuse Tue 02-Apr-13 15:54:25

So glad birthday parties aren't obligatory over here until much older.

Detective Which buggy bag is it? I need one to put the Baby Jogger in when we go on the plane. I was going to order a sunshine kids (?) one but can buy your spare one off you if it's suitable? Mothercare won't load for me so I'll have a gander at those when it does.
I was thinking of you when I was on the Zulily site, they have some Toby Tiger clothes and blanket in which are all bright and stripey with animals on grin

We are going in May so I don't know what the weather will be like. I was going to take dresses and leggings for evenings and some babygrows.

VQ I've bought this sunsafe suit and was going to get another one for her to wear. I was thinking the romper for throwing on when we get out of the pool and the suit's drying out while she's under a parasol thingy in the shade. I've been getting frustrated as a lot of the shops just have little swim suits or bikinis for under 1s and i'm not comfortable with that much flesh in the sun.

DH and I have decided (I think) what to do with his frozen sperm, but I wanted some sort of validation that we're making the right decision (or pointing out if we're making the wrong one). If I posted here would anybody mind reading or should I post somewhere else?

:O How have you all had time to write so many posts and threads?!

Im so bloody jealous!

How are babies doing as i've missed like everything???

TheDetective Tue 02-Apr-13 15:59:05

Right. Experiment over. O may as well have told the bottle to fuck off with the cmpf in. Smells just like greasy chip fat shock.

Took 5oz LF with a fight. I think I have the culprit. Wind. Fucking wind. That is why he is fussing. He gets winded during the feed anyway, but it seems to suddenly be trapping and making him not want the feed even when it has gone. He's associating the bottle with pain.

I realised this mid feed. When I gave him his afternoon dose of ranitidine. He suddenly started feeding again. Anyway, it is hard to explain, but I think it is down to fucking wind!

O was sat up in my arms as I typed this post. Dp just nudged me. I thought he seemed quiet. He's fell asleep sat up in my arms!!!

Passmethecrisps Tue 02-Apr-13 16:00:47

Afternoon peeps.

Took P to get weighed today - she is now below the 9th and the doc is going to refer to paediatrics. She is fine in herself with plenty wet nappies but I am pleased that we can get a bit of guidance.

detective it sounds so worrying. I am not sure i understand CMPI after LF. Surely LF should also be CMP free. Or am I wrong? Nutramigen is both CMP free and LF. Could you ask for that? I know exactly how you feel about having to fight to get food into them. It is a daily occurance here. P just doesn't want it in her tummy. Have you had him weighed? Maybe like daisy you will find that he simply knows what he needs.

Passmethecrisps Tue 02-Apr-13 16:02:06

Ah! I see. Maybe stopping every oz to fully wind would help?

Passmethecrisps Tue 02-Apr-13 16:03:06

Oh and the nutramigen website does say that older babies will find it very hard to get used to the taste and smell. It web gives guidance on parents not letting on how disgusting they find te smell.

ValiumQueen Tue 02-Apr-13 16:03:26

pr DD1 did not have a party until age 6, except for family obviously - we did still celebrate her birthday. DD2 is now aware such things exist, so we are doing a little one for her. DD1 will be having a much smaller party this year due to lack of money. She was invited so many parties in P1, but not so many this year. We felt obliged last year, and I think there was quite a bit of pressure on her to provide a party. That is not the case this year thankfully. With three kids now there will not be any big fancy parties. BK do not charge, allow you to take a cake, and are very reasonably priced considering the soft play is free.

GTbaby Tue 02-Apr-13 16:07:19

I didn't put pram in a bag? I just used pram all way to the plane. N was given it as soon as I got off the plan.
Don't know if I've miss understood what your talking about tho.

GT Welcome back grin You don't have to put the pram in a bag. However the one i'm taking is brand new so i'm getting a carry bag to put it in to so it doesn't get scratched or damaged.

The BJCM bag is £40 though shock the sunshine kids one is £13

TheDetective Tue 02-Apr-13 16:13:24

Right, arms are now free!

Pass We have a problem with winding him every ounce - if I take the bottle out his mouth before he is ready (ie. when he pushes it out) he then won't feed properly for the whole feed. It seems easier to get 3oz in him, which is when he usually breaks off to be winded. And then only have a fight to get the last ounce or two.

I am wondering about giving ranitidine in smaller doses across the day with feeds. It seemed to really help during that feed. Don't normally give it mid feed, it was just that we had forgotton. Obviously ranitidine will help with wind, as it is an antacid also.

ValiumQueen Tue 02-Apr-13 16:15:58

charlee lots of babies waking after sleeping through, some babies finally learning how to sleep after dodging it for months, more than our fair share of reflux and allergies, a few problematic DHs, several lurkers have de-lurked, two new pregnancies, some have started weaning... How are you?

pass LF has cows milk as a base, but is processed so no lactose. I am very glad J has not needed the Nutramigen formula as it sounds vile. Glad you have a referral, but please do not worry x easier said than done, I know.

detective I found the homeopathic granules were awesome for wind. Would starting solids help? I really don't think it is CMPI with O as I think the symptoms would have been apparent long ago when he was first on formula, and would not have improved on stay down and LF, but I am no expert. I feel your frustration. I felt horrid not knowing whether to give boob or formula, when I knew they both hurt him. I can send you the remainder of the granules if you PM me your address x J has not needed them at all since being on LF.

TheDetective Tue 02-Apr-13 16:21:26

Fatima It is this one! The one you said was cheaper though at £13. This was £14.99! It does have wheels for pulling along though not looked at the sunshine kids one!

www.twobarefeet.co.uk/acatalog/Two_Bare_Feet_Lycra_Arm_Baby_Suit.html UV wetsuit!

GT What fatima said! I don't want mine damaging - it is a light colour, and easily marks, and scratches! I wanted something to keep it safer!

I'm such a tit. Went on the oilily site instead. Saw prices and winced. Then realised was on the wrong site. But still, they did have lovely colourful stuff! But £60 for a fucking babies tshirt? Jog on!! Can't get on zulily without registering!

TheDetective Tue 02-Apr-13 16:24:54

I have the granules. Somewhere. Me and DP have been looking for them everywhere. hmm Thanks for the offer, but I'll probably find them later when he's asleep and we don't bloody want them!

Fucking stuff going missing. RAAAAAH!

I originally thought it was CMPI rather than lactose intolerance, but clearly the LF formula is a lot better for him when he takes it!. So I'll just go with whatever keeps him happy for now.

Been advised to wait for dietician referral re: solids. I was wanting to wait for 6 months, but lately I've been thinking maybe it could help. But it will be a big change for him, so wanting to wait for a time where he is more settled?

PurplePidjin Tue 02-Apr-13 16:33:57

brew for those in need, I've had my arms free this afternoon! R napped in his crib so I've got dough in the machine for pizza and I've made a soft seat for the high chair grin we've started eating together as a family - R has a spoon and a musical toy and sits in his seat while we eat - and he loves it. But the antilop is a bit hard and plasticky so i got the sewing machine dusted off and raided my stash.

ChunkyEasterChick Tue 02-Apr-13 16:36:42

VQ I am very, very stupidly planning an octonauts themed party for 11x 1.5-5yos!!! Doing it at home, printing lots myself. Inviting family over on same day after kids, so won't need additional food etc. Have again stupidly, what is wrong with me? decided to try to do lots of ocean-themed food & make a kwazi cake. Lots of fish biscuits, submarine rolls etc etc. Fingers crossed spring has arrived by the 21st so they can play outside...

PR DD has been to parties for her older cousins so knows the score unfortunately.

ChunkyEasterChick Tue 02-Apr-13 16:39:58

fatima do share if you want to. x

TheDetective Tue 02-Apr-13 16:47:37

I am shock at what you could do with sperm. I'd also like to know! Just kidding! Feel free to share!. grin

StuntNun Tue 02-Apr-13 16:52:36

I need quiche help! I have been offered a chocolate Labrador pup, he'll be ready mid-May. What do I do?

Limpit80 Tue 02-Apr-13 16:53:33

Hi All. Sorry for my random interjection earlier. My phone is doing its own thing today! Was just going to say that I feel exactly as you said BP I honestly Cant remember who I was before I had LO. I haven't been without him for more than 3 hours in 5 months!
Detective Sorry you are having such a hard time of it.
pr am with you on the tribulations of loads of clutter in an open plan house, but thankfully have a white bathroom suite which hides the fact we barely ever clean it
We had a horrendous night. We started putting him in the cot a wk or so ago and he was getting used to it with frequent wakings but after taking him up north for Easter, its all gone to pot and he woke every hour last night sad. Its just so hard to persevere. I gave up at 5 and brought him in with us.
We are going on hols in summer and Im really nervous. Fatima is it you who had the oyster? Are you taking it?
We will have just started weaning too so am worried about that too. We are staying in a hotel, so not sure how it will work?

TheDetective Tue 02-Apr-13 16:56:27

Are you going back to work Stunt? I'd say go for it, but mid may is very soon, and a puppy is very demanding, more so a lab pup. With a 6 month old, and a puppy, I think you would find it tough going. If it was another 6 months down the line, I think you would find it easier.

Plenty do it though!

Limpit80 Tue 02-Apr-13 16:57:34

Stunt Do you already have dogs? Do you have room? what does your DP think? Labs are gorgeous, but I can just about cope with the 3 of us in the house! Am not really used to pets though. Am sure you are much more capable though grin

Kyzordz Tue 02-Apr-13 16:59:38

Sorry to hear your still having problems with o det, maybe shifting the wind will help. You've probably tried it but have you tried giving him the 3 he'll take then playing with him etc for 20 mins and then trying again? Sometimes works with e, and sometimes he'll give wind up when he's playing and will often settle easily for the next couple of oz.

fatima if you want to share go ahead smile

Hope you feel a bit better pass when she's seen the dietician. Might just give you some guidance or at least reassurance you're doing the right things which I'm sure you are smile

Glad you've had a good day chasing he'll grow into his head, bless him! I think e is the same his looks big though too and your o's doesn't

E was weighed etc today. He is 17lb 10, at 21 weeks. He is 71cm long, and doing well they said. He seems good to me when he isn't fighting bottles or teething

I was giving him tastes of food, but haven't for about a fortnight as he had a dodgy tum. He hasn't missed it so I might just leave him. He can now steal food and put it in his mouth though, so I think it won't be long until he's ready, but I'm not stressing about it for a change smile

StuntNun Tue 02-Apr-13 17:00:19

Bit of background, our lab cross is getting a bit old (11) and I wanted to get a pup while she was still going strong as it's easier to train a pup when you have an older well-trained dog. I have been looking for a suitable pup since August, had my name down with various breeders, but this is the first one I have been offered. He's chocolate which is my preferred colour although I would take a yellow or black lab, and I wanted a male dog since we already have a bitch. He's local and the price is right, the only problem is the timing when we're in the middle of sleep dep hell and the house is a disaster area.

Wow! Seems like an awful lot then vq

New pregnancies??? Who??

Zara is 18..possibly 19 weeks now, i stopped counting...andsleeping through from 7pm til 8am...has been for around 5/6 weeks now. Started her weaning last week and she's still a little bit iffy with it. Has also got the top of a tooth poking through her gums and dribbling better than a footballer. No new pregnancies for me!

If i havent been feeding/changing nappies/sorting DP and DD1 out ive been working! Have started my own business distributing Forever Living Products, they have been amazing for Zara with nappy rash, teething and snuffly noses!

StuntNun Tue 02-Apr-13 17:04:58

Not planning on going back to work in the near future, I walk the kids to and from school twice a day so plenty of exercise, we have an enclosed garden and live on a quiet cul-de-sac. I thought it would be easier to get a pup trained up before J is crawling, if I wait a year I'll have a puppy and a toddler to run after at the same time.

PennieLane Tue 02-Apr-13 17:13:13

envy At all the holiday planning! We're going toIreland in a caravan-will no doubt piss it down the whole time.

Did I miss a pregnancy? Who else is preggo other than GT?

TheDetective Tue 02-Apr-13 17:14:32

O has woke up a happy baby.

Thank actual fuck!

He's currently on the play mat squealing away. He's got the blanket over the arches, so he has his own little den. He likes it!

Charlee ROFL. I said that about O yesterday. I was like, he's 17, wait, 18 weeks, oh I don't fucking know. He's 4 months, ok?! grin Goes off to work it out properly!

PetiteRaleuse Tue 02-Apr-13 17:15:31

Stunt I would think now is easier than later. No crawling into accidents, still up sometimes during night so can be let out while being housetrained, and toddlers and puppies not necessarily a good mix. Will be a bit older by the time J is walking, past the nipping stage with a bit of luck.
And since you already have a dog you know all about the extra housework...

You're not interested in a four year old goldie are you? Likes children, stealing and mud.

TheDetective Tue 02-Apr-13 17:19:03

And shit?!

Detective i just worked it out. Shes 19 weeks and 2 days lol...I just say 4 1/2 months!

Zara also was just on her playmat, and decided to fold it over her to look like a sandwich nutjob

GT Awww, was this baby a planned one?

Izzybuzzybuzzybees Tue 02-Apr-13 17:25:11

We had an ok night. Two wake ups but only one for a feed so he actually went from feed at 10.50pm til 5.50am which is great. Just need to stop the random wakenings!

In other news I joined slimming world last week and had my first weigh in this morning....I lost 7.5lbs!!!! I'm in shock!! And totally over the moon!!

TheDetective Tue 02-Apr-13 17:27:06

18 weeks 4 days. Asked DP. He said 19. DS1 said 20. Wrong!!

ValiumQueen Tue 02-Apr-13 17:27:31

stunt do it. The fact you have an older dog, and are an experienced owner, plus it is exactly what you are looking for, and you are not back at work for a while... Makes sense.

charlee I cannot recall the name of the other mum-to-be. I have not seen her for a while, and there are lots of new names here.

chunky sounds like a fucking nightmare you nutter lovely! Boo is 3 on the 21st too.

ValiumQueen Tue 02-Apr-13 17:28:53

izzy slinky! DH and I are joining tonight, starting tomorrow. I weigh at home and he goes to meetings.

PetiteRaleuse Tue 02-Apr-13 17:30:48

There's a second mum already pregnant?

ChasingDaisy Tue 02-Apr-13 17:32:52

Off for dinner at the in-laws. Yes really. God give me strength.

TheDetective Tue 02-Apr-13 17:34:01


I did have a fucking heartattack pregnancy scare...My first due period I was 9 days late! Most recent one was 7 days late!
Dont know what I would do if I go myself pregnant now but am far too lazy to go and get the coil/injection, cant use contraceptive pill and have a latex allergy. Can i find latex free condoms about anywhere? can i fuck....so im relying on the best method ever...pull out blush

ChasingDaisy Tue 02-Apr-13 17:35:56

I am pretending everything is normal. And O is going so I want to be there too. I will be outnumbered 7 to 1. I'm claiming O for my team though.

StuntNun Tue 02-Apr-13 17:40:30

Oh shit PR I forgot about the mud, Labs are magnets for it. My dog used to find the biggest dirtiest puddles imaginable. I want this pup so much but DH thinks it's a terrible idea while we're under so much stress. I feel like a child going, Pleeeease can I have a puppy, I'll be good, I'll walk him every day and not let him sit on the sofa.

TheDetective Tue 02-Apr-13 17:50:44

I'm with your DH sadly! blush. Saying that, I don't suppose there is any good time! And it might give good stress relief!

O is watching the Lion King again as he just loves it. confused He's sat in his high chair with toys, but no. Lion King is more entertaining!

How hard can it be to find a black belted mac? Am annoyed. Bought one from New Look, and DP collected it. It's that fucking shiny materiel. Dunno what it is, but it feels horrible, and will make my hair extremely static. It needs no help with that as it is...

Just ordered another 2 from very. Click and collect. Right by my house. Excellent. But they better not be shiny. And one best fit. Or i'll be going away with no fucking coat.

StuntNun Tue 02-Apr-13 18:10:36

PR as well as GT, MummaPanda is preggers and I thought I was crazy for wanting a puppy!

Sophiathesnowfairy Tue 02-Apr-13 18:11:54

Please share fatima we share everything! We would feel left out if you went elsewhere.

I think the flu has left the building. Phew.


O had his first real day at nursery today. When we collected him they informed me there s a chicken pox case in baby room. hmm

MissMummy1 Tue 02-Apr-13 18:53:17

Stunt I would go for it. I an desperate for another dog. Wish I'd stuck to my guns and got one when I started working from home when I was preggers. We also want a lab - red or chocolate.

Fatima share ahead!!

Would you believe what happened to me today? Some fucking wankbadger pulled out behind me when I was reversing out of my mums drive. Thank fuck it was the hire car that was crashed. 3 fucking car accidents in 5 weeks?!? angry

ChasingDaisy Tue 02-Apr-13 18:55:42

I fucking hate people taking my baby and walking off with him. If he cries give him back to me!

ValiumQueen Tue 02-Apr-13 18:56:28

sophia oh fuck! Hopefully you will be spared that.

fatima I too want to hear about your plans for sperm. Would you be happier starting a chat on FB?

I'll write a post but it may take a while to write so I'm not ignoring you all smile

detective that bag looks huge, I could live in it. Going to go measure the pram, see what size we need

limpit I do have the Oyster, however I was greedy and also bought a Baby Jogger City mini with the holiday as an excuse so we're taking that with us.

TheDetective Tue 02-Apr-13 19:19:03

It is huge! I could did definitely fit in it!

They have a couple of others on kiddicare for less.

Lily311 Tue 02-Apr-13 19:25:36

fatima i measured it, it's way too big. I have a bjcm 4 and ordered the sunshine kid one as it is a good fit according to reviews. I only need to put the jogger in it, no carseat so no need a bigger one. The reason I wanted the bag is because I fly a lot and I don't want the buggy to get dirty as it folds the seat out rather than in.

chasing good luck tonight, i hate when people take my baby away and say they could calm her down. Yes, they could but it takes twice as long as it takes me and anyway I don't want my girl to cry unnecessarily.

I wait with weaning. O might be ready but I am not grin. She is 19 weeks today.

TheDetective Tue 02-Apr-13 19:36:07

Fuck a duck. I'm sat, in bed. With O. Who is fast asleep. After draining an 8oz bottle. shock

I Suspect the threat of the CMP free formula has something to do with this. hmm

'Look mummy, if I behave, don't ever give me that shit again, alright?!'

Does anyone else imagine their baby's inner monologue to be something like Stewie Griffin?!

ChasingDaisy Tue 02-Apr-13 19:39:58

8oz? shock Well done O1!

ChasingDaisy Tue 02-Apr-13 19:40:47

I got my BFP a year ago today smile

TheDetective Tue 02-Apr-13 19:50:31

Fuck. He woke. Dumped and run. Fingers fucking crossed. He did the LOL face at me grrrrr. Not fucking LOL at all!

TheDetective Tue 02-Apr-13 20:06:55

He seems asleep. A light sleep as he stirred when I looked round the corner of the door. But sleeping. For now.

Thank fuck.

BigPigLittlePig Tue 02-Apr-13 20:21:07

Oh good grief - good luck chasing

Sleep dodgers 'r' us angry

PurplePidjin Tue 02-Apr-13 20:21:42

I have a baby self-settling with a dummy shock he's lying on my chest, but this is progress right? May not have worked but I'm hoping...

Clarella Tue 02-Apr-13 20:26:50

smile smile smile pidj!

my tinker is refusing dummies now. wish I'd not been so fussy about encouraging that.

how the hell did I miss 6 pages????

would love to catch up but am getting some shut eye before the onslaught of sucking all night commenses ......

well done mini detective smile

Jims Tue 02-Apr-13 20:27:47

YW are you feeling better? I meant to say earlier that I hope you do soon.

Fatima I'm intrigued too (v nosy person here), I look forward to hearing more.

Sophia have my fingers crossed your LO doesn't get chickenpox. We've had the threat several times in our area but it hasn't hit yet. DS1 has made it to nearly 3 and I'm still waiting for him to get it. I'd really like it to be not yet, I'm a bit sick of illness in this house.

On that note - if DS1 was in a foul mood last week, with a temperature and horrible cold and then had gunk coming out of one ear, does that mean he had an ear infection which perforated his ear drum? I'm guessing so but as he seemed ok afterwards, I didn't take him to the Dr. But now I don't know whether to take him swimming or not. Think I may have to take him tomorrow to get checked out before his swimming lesson on Friday.

I'm currently watching Home Delivery while DH is at football. It was on ITV a while back. It's bringing back all sorts of memories about having F - in a good way so far.

PetiteRaleuse Tue 02-Apr-13 20:30:30
TheDetective Tue 02-Apr-13 20:31:52

Clarella O won't have one any more either!

Passmethecrisps Tue 02-Apr-13 20:34:26

Fingers crossed pp!

I HATE that daisy. I REALLY FUCKING hate that. I have a wonderful friend who insists on wandering off with P when she gets upset. What is it? A desire to help? Or a fucking power trip?

Hope all goes well detective. He's a cheeky wee man your O.

Thanks kyz and VQ. Strangely I don't feel worried about the referral. I know that at the end of the day P is doing fine. She is small but never, ever sits still. She probably burns a huge number of calories. I do think she eats too little though and I am relieved that someone agrees with me. The doc was a bit strange though. Not my usual one so not the paediatric specialist for the practice. She asked about the reflux saying "so how often is she being sick" I said "she isn't ever sick with it actually". She looked like I have just blown her mind and said "well, how does reflux present without sick". So I said "like I am pouring boiling water down end throat. A lot" She mentioned the sick thing again later asking how she responds when being sick. I explained that she acted like I was feeding her acid. I think she might go and google reflux.

I am being mean because she was lovely and took my concerns seriously. She just obviously knows categorically nothing about infant reflux. It really opened my eyes to how lucky we were to see my GP when p was initially referred.

Shit, bugger, balls. Meant to get some kalms. Good idea VQ. I have some silly night time shower gel and moisturiser stuff I was given by a pal - it seems to work actually so I might slather myself in it tonight.

PurplePidjin Tue 02-Apr-13 20:43:25

It's really fucking annoying is what it is, Pass and Daisies angry

Transfer successful <jaw hits floor> it's the first time he's ever taken a dummy but he was chomping my finger after calgel so i dumped one in boiling water and shoved it in his gob. Success! Will see how it goes at first waking, listen out for his screams <ponders switching monitor off>

PennieLane Tue 02-Apr-13 20:44:34

Oh yes! Congrats panda

Detective sympathies, mac shopping is so difficult. I've also been looking with no success.

Congrats izzy I am v envious! I need to lose 6lbs before a wedding on May 4th. Hmm.

TheDetective Tue 02-Apr-13 20:45:04

Pass This is exactly the attitude I had the day I ended up taking O to A&E. As if she needed to google Reflux....

I found Nytol worked very well for me, when O was first born.

Right, sperm (and future child) decisions. Sorry the post is so long, feel free to ignore (it's probably really boring anyway) but thank you for reading it, I think it’s helped just to write it down

Quick background for those who don’t know or can’t remember seeing as there’s so many threads smile

DH and I had problems conceiving, took about 4 years in total. M is our first child and we ended up having her through ICSI. We ended up using 3 hospitals in our quest for a baby: NHS hospital 1 where we got our diagnosis from bitch nurse that we “can’t have children”, NHS hospital 2 that we transferred our referral to because of treatment at hospital 1 and private hospital where we had a cycle of ICSI with egg share while we waited for our NHS funded go at hospital 2. Fortunately our first cycle at the private hospital resulted in M, it also gave us one 5 day old embryo that is frozen ready for use at a later date (we’ve paid for storage until March 2015).

The reason for our infertility was Oligozoospermia (low sperm count). Nurse at hospital 1 said that there were no further tests we could have done, that DH could be suffering from testicular failure and she recommended we pay for some sperm freezing pronto in case we got to the top of the waiting list and his sperm had “run out” hmm
Further down the line at hospital 2, the consultant was outraged that the nurse hadn’t sent for any further tests, had some done there and it was concluded to not be testicular failiure or anything genetic but just one of those things.
Dr at private hospital recommended we had some sperm frozen as a back up for the ICSI, just incase the fresh sample on the day was a particularly low count. DHs fresh sample on the day was fine. The frozen back up is the sperm in question.

That sperm has now been stored for a year and we have to pay if we want to keep it in storage (£250 for two years). After much discussion we have decided that we’re going to not continue with the storage of the sperm. I think it is the right decision but I have a niggle so that’s why I wanted to post to see what other people thought.

Our reasoning behind this is…
•We have one frozen embryo that we are going to use at some point to TTC DC2, hopefully this will work.
•If the FET doesn’t work I’m not sure I could go through another cycle of ICSI anyway; it was hard work on us. I just got on with it at the time but afterwards said I didn’t want to do it again, although I might have felt differently if it hadn’t worked. The egg collection in particular was bad; I was in a lot of pain for 5 days, hardly moving for 3 of those. I don’t think that would be fair on a toddler.
•If we did decide to have ICSI again further down the line, there’s nothing to say we’d even need the frozen sperm. The further tests showed that it wasn’t testicular failure, so DH should carry on producing sperm, he’ll just always have a low count.
•If we did decide we wanted more ICSI and the worst did happen and DH had a zero count, there are other options (although more expensive) to still get sperm.
•It’s £250 we can’t afford at the moment especially when there’s a big chance that we’d never use it. The £250 would only store it until March 2015 which is when we’d probably be starting to think about using the frozen embryo (I’d like to go for FET Summer 2015 for a Spring 2016 baby) so we’d have to pay another £300-400 to keep it frozen for longer again.
So we’re going to get rid of it. It has served the purpose for what it was frozen for in the first place, as a back up for the successful ICSI cycle. I think that’s the right decision, there’s just that little niggle of what if in the back of my mind.

Evilwater Tue 02-Apr-13 20:46:19

Well a lovely day, until P had time with N. I'm just getting fed up, of P. sorry to moan, but a wall would be more useful.


TheDetective Tue 02-Apr-13 20:52:58

Excellent Pidj! Have you tried the dummy before? What have his previous reactions been like?!

Pennie I ordered this one in black in desperation! I hope it looks okay!

BigPigLittlePig Tue 02-Apr-13 20:54:07

fatima it sounds as though you've absolutely made the right decision. You could ask what if, what if, until the cows come home - but what if you kept the sperm, only to fail to get any eggs? Or what if it wasn't meant to be, and you spent thousands and went through unspeakable heartbreak, just because you felt you had to use it? Or what if, when you ttc number 2, it works straight away - then what do you do with the sperm? Or what if, number 2 rocks up in the traditional way (!) as a little miracle?

Sorry, garbling, but hope you get my drift!

Elizadoesdolittle Tue 02-Apr-13 20:58:13

pass glad you're not worried. It's good they are taking your concerns seriously.

E pulled her tube out today so had to squeeze an unplanned trip to the hospital into a busy afternoon. DD1 was so awfully behaved after about 4pm that I had to put her to bed at 6:30pm. So have actually had a nice peaceful evening. Had a lovely soak in the bath and now snuggling on the sofa with E. unfortunately the downside of dealing with DD1 was E was left to sleep till 6:30 so she's awake. Is dropping off on boob now so hopefully won't be long before she's in bed too. Although she's a bloody saint compared to DD1. I'm not enjoying the toddler years at the moment. I'm starting to question whether I want a third.

TheDetective Tue 02-Apr-13 21:00:39

Yes, Fatima. What BP said.

From what you have said, you have a good chance of the embryo being successful, and if it is not, your DH having sperm in the future.

Would it be possible to have regular tests to see if it's getting any lower? I have no idea. Then if you found it was, freeze that sperm?

Elizadoesdolittle Tue 02-Apr-13 21:06:59

Sorry crossed posts fatima. It sounds like you've really thought it through and not taken the decision lightly. Glad it's helped to write it down. I think you summed it up perfectly at the end. This batch of frozen sperm did what it was intended to do. No need to shell out money that you don't have on keeping it when you have other options and are unlikely to need it in the future.

BigPigLittlePig Tue 02-Apr-13 21:07:14

Our best friends have a 13 year old, and a 5 year old. 13 year old was conceived by accident when she was 16 and he was 28. When their dd was 4 they started trying for a 2nd. After 3 years and not even a sniff of a bfp, they had tests and found he had low sperm count. Literally the week before they had an appointment for IVF, they got a bfp - little miracle baby now a proper little pest

Passmethecrisps Tue 02-Apr-13 21:19:12

fatima you have obviously given this a great deal of thought and have experience that few of us have had. For what it's worth I think you are doing the right thing. You have to think of the here and now. It might be different if you didn't have the frozen embryo but you do.

Sounds pretty tiring eliza. Is DD1 more badly behaved when E needs something? Or is she just having wee terror times? I must say, I look at P sometimes and I can see her as a toddler - it's not always pretty. DH even said one day "oh god, she's going to be a fucking nightmare"

That's a good suggestion det. It is so frustrating to have a wonderfully sleeping baby but lie there listening to every shuffle and sniff. Every day DH says as he leaves "maybe you will be able to get a wee snooze later". I wish I could! I open my eyes every 5 minutes expecting to see her waken. If I do fall asleep she wakes much earlier than expected. Ah well.

Oh mm I CANNOT believe that is another car damaged! At least it was your hire car.

How is LO today PR?

Jims Tue 02-Apr-13 21:20:19

Fatima I'm guessing the only niggle is what if a) your embryo 2 doesn't make it and b) you decide to go for ICSI again and c) your DH's sperm count is 0 then, although there are no signs of this yet. That's several things that need to all happen at once and £250 is a lot of money every couple of years. But I guess only you can decide how much it means to you whether your DH's sperm is used if all of those things do happen. Is Detective's idea about regular testing feasible?

Eliza how old is your toddler? DS1 was particularly stroppy at 2.5(ish), I think because his language was developing at a huge rate. I'd love to say it's stopped but that wouldn't be true, but he's turning into a proper little person at 3 and has truly lovely and unintentionally funny moments in amongst some terrible ones!

StuntNun Tue 02-Apr-13 21:24:10

Jumperoo wannabes Smyths toys have a code EASTER20 that reduced the price to £58 for the Discover and Grow version.

Evening everyone smile

I've been MIA for a few days but I'm back, couldn't miss out on saying hello to GTbaby now could I? <waves>

<waves> to everyone else too I flipping love this quiche, which is dd because can't stand the RL eggy stuff!

I'm ok here, J is fine, he is still bfing like it's going out of fashion, I have introduced a dummy at night time to save my poor nipples, he doesn't want or need milk so he wont latch properly he just sucks on the end causing me to be sore s he gets plugged with the dummy after his big feed at 8pm now (evil mummy)

Now all I need to crack is getting my bed back, I love him and his squishy cuddles but he has very scratchy toe nails and I am such a squirmy sleeper I wake him up and the he wakes me up, in the few nights he's been in the cot he's slept through, it's getting him there that's the challenge!

Half term not going too badly here, I have't killed them yet, although it's only been 2 days. Next Monday eldest DS will be admitted to the hospital for 2 days of inpatient iv antibiotics then he'll come home and I'll do them for the rest of the course, it's bloody exhausting work but I can't stay in the hospital for 2 weeks, it's taken a fight to let me eep J with me up there for 2 nights as it is.

PetiteRaleuse Tue 02-Apr-13 21:29:13

Pass she has been fine today, thank you. A little fussy at times though that could be because she kept getting woken up by DD1. Maybe the Dr cleaning her ears yesterday helped? Or maybe it was something else entirely and whatever it is has passed. Who knows? smile

Fatima I have no advice but what you have decided seems logical. Isn't it incredible what they can do?

Eliza you are not alone with a naughty toddler. Am in awe of you getting yours to bed at 6.30 though. I would LOVE to be able to do that.

Passmethecrisps Tue 02-Apr-13 21:46:34

Hi fatima. I love dummies! I never thought I would say that but I do.

I remember being a bit naughty one day as a child. I don't remember what I did but I got very mucky. My mum gave me a telling off and told me to get changed. I vividly remember getting into my nighty thinking that this was an odd punishment. My mum eventually came through to find my all snuggled in bed. Then when I was about 8 maybe my mum said that it was time we had a bedtime and that this would be 9pm. I started to cry a bit so she said that it could be later some nights. I ended up sniffingly asking "but can I go to bed earlier if I want?"

Fingers crossed P is like her mummy!

ValiumQueen Tue 02-Apr-13 22:03:21

fatima your logic is logical, and is the decision I would make I think. One thing I would say is be sure to enjoy the baby you have without worrying too much about if they will have a sibling.

I was told I could not have kids when I was 26. I now have 3 little miracles so it does happen. Before we got married we had agreed to try naturally for a specific length of time before we went for assisted conception. If that were unsuccessful, which it was sure to be, we would try for adoption, if unsuccessful, then we would foster. We never dreamed we would get a BFP on the second cycle of trying. I never quite believed it until I held her in my arms. We decided we would be happy being a little family of 3, but hope for a sibling. Little Boo arrived 3 years later. We then thought we would try for a third, as we were clearly on a roll smile but my heart was breaking with each negative test. We decided to be happy as a family of 4 and stop hoping. And you all know what happened next!

Thank you all for reading, all your comments make sense.
I have suggested to DH that he looks at getting another semen analysis at some point.
Fingers crossed the FET would work but if it didn't we'd deal with that when it comes to it, either by having more ICSI, using donor sperm or just making do with one.

It is incredible, I look at M and can't believe that the IVF process made her possible.

I'm going in to work with M tomorrow, hoping to discuss going part time as well. FIngers crossed.

Sorry crossed post, thank you VQ for sharing your story of your little miracles smile I want to enjoy every little moment just in case she is an only one. But who knows what the future holds

MissMummy1 Tue 02-Apr-13 22:16:24

Sounds like you have worked it out fatima and your logic seems sound. I have little experience of anything like this other than I was told at 15/16 it was unlikely I would ever get pregnant, then as soon as I started being strict with taking the pill properly I fell preggers with M. Miracles do happen and doctors do get it very wrong smile

Pass if it wasn't so damned expensive it would be funny. I haven't had so much as a scrape in the 4 years I have been driving my mums wingmirror doesn't count and now 3 bumps in 5 weeks?! FFS. I am dreading my insurance premium next year. The twunt is trying to blame me. Yes I did hit him, but he drove off his driveway into my path, there was no way I could miss him! The insurance companies can argue it out between them. DP and his boat crew think it's hilarious - I have told him he can drive me everywhere from now on!

YW just to stress before I drive you to Glasgow next week - NONE of the above accidents were my fault!!

MissMummy1 Tue 02-Apr-13 22:17:17

I think he would have left me had I been in the new car blush

BigPigLittlePig Tue 02-Apr-13 22:23:50

I had just run a lovely waaaay too hot bath when the boob-hungry sleep-dodger awoke and demanded my attention. Luckily the bath was still too hot when she'd done feeding. I'm sure a lot of it is comfort though, but she won't take a dummy, and if her hands stray mouth-wards, they're too exciting to sleep through so the cycle begins again.

Anyway, she's in bed now on her front as is dp, so I shall head off too. Finished my book whilst I was feeding her, first book I've finished in years - it feels rather good!

Good luck to all those with fellow sleep dodgers xx

Elizadoesdolittle Tue 02-Apr-13 22:32:17

She's 3.3. She's generally a good kid, and always been very easy to get to bed thank god. I can cope with a lot knowing that come 7:30 she's tucked up in bed for a full 12 hours. It seems lately she is having trouble keeping her anger under control. She flies off the handle at the stupidest of things and finds it hard to calm down. She has never ever taken her anger out on E and adores her but the other day she pulled her tube and she hit her today. Only a tap so it didn't hurt E but the principle was the same. She's had a tough time lately with me being in hospital for so long and don't think it helped that we've been away twice in a short space of time. It's all been a bit much for her. She needs some normality but unfortunately instead we have 2 weeks of no pre school or classes so I think I'm in for a tough few weeks. I need to try and keep calm too as I've turned into a shouty parent which I absolutely hate. We just seem to spend a lot of time winding each other up at the moment and its just not very nice. I think today was a particularly bad, I hope tomorrow is better.

kirrinIsland Tue 02-Apr-13 22:33:04

Thanks VQ pass and pidj for your soothing words about formula. I haven't done it yet, but I am going to get a couple of cartons when I go shopping tomorrow and then I can use it if I need to.

Fatima I think you are making the right decision, and it sounds like you've considered it from all angles and made an informed choice.

MM sad for another crash, but have you considered buying a hi-viz car?!

Eliza DD1 (2.3) is delightful but pretty challenging at the moment. I am also constantly changing my mind about wanting a third. One the one hand I am not enjoying the newborn stage and I frequently reach screaming pitch with the toddler, but on the other hand they are small for such a short time so perhaps it would worth the short term pain! I would definitely have a bigger age gap if I did go for it though.

stunt we got our dogs when DD1 was 4 months old. It was ok, except for one being a bit of a barker and so waking her from naps. They are great friends now, and it was definitely better having them house trained before DD1 was moving!

pidj hope the dummy is the miracle cure you need smile

TheDetective Tue 02-Apr-13 22:33:49

Can you describe it MM? Arghhhh, it could be one of those claims that take fucking ages to sort sad

BigPigLittlePig Tue 02-Apr-13 22:37:57

Eliza last post before bed dsd has an angry temparament generally - on her angriest days, Daddy takes his glasses off, and she has the roughest of rough and tumbles, knowing that she can't hurt him, and gets all her frustration and pent up energy out in a controlled, fun way. The alternative is to do what I did yesterday and take her out on a long, long, long walk. She prefers to fight ladylike

LuisGarcia Tue 02-Apr-13 22:39:44

At least I've eaten.


Speaking of which, how'd it go, chasing?

Izzybuzzybuzzybees Tue 02-Apr-13 22:41:37

J asleep. I'm heading up to bed.

TheDetective Tue 02-Apr-13 22:47:37

Evening Luis. Sympathies sad

daisychain76 Tue 02-Apr-13 22:50:31

Evening all. l am cross today. Booked flights with. Ryanair to Majorca a couple of months ago, going in June. Deliberatelyy chose day flights cos of older dcs (6 and 8). Get an email today telling me the times have changed. Now they are night flights with the return one not leaving til 10pm. Grrrr!

Eliza l also find a lot of exercise took the edge off toddler traumas. Things get. a lot easier when they start school
. Evil sorry to hear your P is being a bit rubbish. mm hopefully you have just got a lifetime of car bad luck out of the way in a short space of time.

Passmethecrisps Tue 02-Apr-13 22:56:29

Small victories luis

Night night

LuisGarcia Wed 03-Apr-13 00:06:34

For those --Eliza-- with shouty toddlers, we found Toddler Training by Christopher Green to be an eye opener esp. re the attention they require. J is in many ways a dream child, but walking out on him while pretending to be Mother Superior (in your mind) and therefore depriving him of an audience definitely has its place.

LuisGarcia Wed 03-Apr-13 01:36:18

Still just me here, huh.

<Checks biscuit tin while no one is looking>

StuntNun Wed 03-Apr-13 01:36:43

Thanks Kirrin, good to know babies and dogs aren't completely incompatible. I bought a carton of formula on Monday but haven't broached it yet. I told DH it was for emergency use only as I'm a bit worried about the possibility of CMPI.

I skipped the dream feed tonight as J was fed a bit later than usual due to me being out looking at puppies. Bad idea as he woke at 1 looking for food. I wonder if he'll make it through to 6 now or whether he'll still want his 4 a.m. feed.

StuntNun Wed 03-Apr-13 01:37:14

Any chocolate ones in there Luis?

LuisGarcia Wed 03-Apr-13 01:39:37

err, no? <burp>

LuisGarcia Wed 03-Apr-13 01:59:05

This is my future, isn't it? You are all going to sod off to adult lives back to work over the next 6 weeks and I am going to be left raiding an imaginary 2am biscuit tin.

kirrinIsland Wed 03-Apr-13 02:01:55

Had hoped that as N had some good naps today, she'd throw in a good night for me too. But no. Second feed in progress.

LuisGarcia Wed 03-Apr-13 02:29:06

Right, I'm done. L does not want to sleep anywhere but on me. I've been trying to get her down since 730pm. CSI NY fest and pringles, I give in to thee

PurplePidjin Wed 03-Apr-13 02:39:43

Fatima i would assume bitch #1 knows fuck all and lacks the warmth and depth to even be a cunt.

You had noticed it's Wednesday right?

He hasn't needed the dummy again. Feeds are down to 15 minutes, and back to the normal pattern - he woke at midnight and now. I can survive on this until he grows out of it unless i get locked up for murdering some judgemental cow who asks if he's sleeping through yet

LuisGarcia Wed 03-Apr-13 03:09:46

Danny has just had his badge stolen, and he doesn't want to report it. That will definitely not come back to haunt him in the season finale

LuisGarcia Wed 03-Apr-13 03:42:06

Please someone else be awake, too

MaMaPo Wed 03-Apr-13 03:45:57

Delurking again to reassure Luis that I'm about and not buffering back off to an adult life anytime soon. In fact, as baby C marches steadily into her sleep regression, I'll be here far too often.

Has anyone else seen bottle refusal go hand in hand with the regression? C usually has 10.30pm feed with my husband but she's refused twice in the last week. Should we persist or give it up for now? She's bloody awake again at midnight anyway. I really really don't want her to be a long term bottle refuser!

MaMaPo Wed 03-Apr-13 03:47:11

Buffering? Fucking anti-sweary autocorrect bollocks. BUGGERING.

LuisGarcia Wed 03-Apr-13 03:48:29

Thank you

GTbaby Wed 03-Apr-13 03:50:50

Just woke up for second vom session of the night hmm me not LO hmm
Don't remember being woken up by urge to puk last time? hmmconfusedconfusedhmmhmm

LuisGarcia Wed 03-Apr-13 04:01:49

GTbaby hi, we haven't met. Are you having a girl?

StuntNun Wed 03-Apr-13 04:02:10

Sounds nasty GT are you sure it's not twins? grin

I'm here Luis but in a huff because somebody ate all the chocolate biscuits.

LuisGarcia Wed 03-Apr-13 04:04:53

Stunt I will make you chocolate biscuits.

Catbag Wed 03-Apr-13 04:07:36

I'm here. Being tag-teamed by the twins so am shopping on ebay to relieve misery.

Catbag Wed 03-Apr-13 04:09:16

Although they have suddenly gone all quiet and sleepy-like... hmm

LuisGarcia Wed 03-Apr-13 04:11:02


YellowWellies Wed 03-Apr-13 04:11:08

We're here too Luis despite trying to have an early night to sleep off this lurgy - the bear hasn't managed longer than an hour. Thankfully DH is going to work from home tomorrow to help me cope.....

PurplePidjin Wed 03-Apr-13 04:40:49

Back again. Can't have chocolate anyway so best the temptation is removed

PurplePidjin Wed 03-Apr-13 04:41:38

Dummy+Ewan nearly worked but not quite so feeding again

ValiumQueen Wed 03-Apr-13 05:08:32

Hello night feeders. J self settled noisily at 4.15 then DH woke him! Grr! J is snotty but coping. Bit chilly tonight too.

Poor GT being teased. Do not assume it is a girl or twins because of different symptoms. All pregnancies are different. Hope you get back to sleep ok x

Jims Wed 03-Apr-13 05:14:05

I'm here too. Hoping for a quick post-feed settle. I usually cheat and plonk him on the bed next to me rather than the cot. Especially when i have both the next day!

gt i spent the first 20 weeks of my second pregnancy being a lot sicker than first time, in the evening and at night, so was convinced it was a girl. F proves vq right.

Lily311 Wed 03-Apr-13 05:17:06

I am here. O is asleep. Insomnia, grrr.

O's so happy when she sees her cot, she loves sleeping in there. I am lucky. Poor luis.

Limpit80 Wed 03-Apr-13 05:35:57

Hi All.
Glad Im not the only one. I just dont know what to do.LO refuses to sleep in his cot! I put him down in his side, asleep, but as soon as he moves onto his back, he wakes up (he still startles quite a lot). As soon as I pick him up, he goes back to sleep.sad Last night he was awake every hour and almost as much tonight. Although Ive had more sleep as DP and I swapped sides for a bit earlier on.
Fuck! Am soo tired!

Bryzoan Wed 03-Apr-13 06:22:22

It really should be Thursday. G slept till 5.30! Though I did have to get up for dd a couple of times.

Meeting my boss for a catch up and to show off g today too. Though not going back till November - and then only 2 days a week. Am very lucky - had said I wouldn't be going back at all this time and they offered me 2 days as a compromise. The money will be really handy and I think I'll enjoy it too. With dd's extra needs being at home with 2 is knackering and emotionally quite full on as well as being lovely. I adore being with them both and having time to work with dd (which g seems to enjoy too thank goodness) but just when I think we are all coping ok I suddenly feel really sad for her again. I think a couple of days out a week will help me keep my head together and she will be at preschool for most of them anyway. It just hadn't occurred to me this time last yr that she might still not be walking or talking by now - and it begins to look like we might be in that for the long haul. Thank fuck for makaton, and thank fuck she can use it. And thank fuck she seems so happy so much of the time. And thank fuck g feels so strong and chats so much, and that dh is kind and strong and loving even if he does tell me he's tired a bit too often. Looks like I've snuck in a bit of an early Thursday after all...

Gt - I didn't feel very sick with dd but felt awful with g. And he is a boy so assume nothing. Hope you feel better soon and can get some rest. Lovely to have you back. I thought I wanted a girl this time too - struggled to get my head around the idea of a boy. But now he is here I am besotted and wouldn't change him for the world.

Kirrin - don't feel bad about the bottle. If you're less tired you will be able to function better as a mum. That's not selfish. And introducing one bottle will not make a jot of difference to your baby I am sure.

Luis - hope you got some sleep in the end. I don't begrudge you the choc biscuits as I am still full feeling sick from too much choc yesterday.

My sausage fingers wrote a d at the start of sick instead of an s till I noticed and corrected it. Have not felt that in a long while!

PurplePidjin Wed 03-Apr-13 06:27:55

Limpit, put him on his front. Only issue to be aware of is that tummy sleepers get slightly warmer - but i think that's why R prefers it!

Bryzoan Wed 03-Apr-13 06:33:24

G sleeps better on his front too. I let him go with it as I'm sleeping next to him and hear his every snuffle.

Bryzoan Wed 03-Apr-13 06:34:11

Hope your night was a bit better pidj.

kirrinIsland Wed 03-Apr-13 06:46:49

Yay for sleeping through bryzoan smile
I found working 2 days a week was the perfect balance for me. It was lovely to have something different to think about and I appreciated my time with DD1 more when I was at home. Will your DD get any extra help or is it a question of seeing how she does for now?

Sorry to those who've had rubbish nights. We have too. I didn't post cos I couldn't see straight and cos I didn't have anything nice to say and you must all be sick of my whinging.

Luis did you get any sleep?

I have no plans for today so I need to come up with something. I cannot stay in the house all day.

Bryzoan Wed 03-Apr-13 06:50:13

Bollocks. It's the morning. Hello wankbadgering day shift.

PurplePidjin Wed 03-Apr-13 06:54:43

Went down at 8:30, short wakes at 12 + 2 (20 minutes) longer one (40 including nappy) at 4:30, up for the day at 6:15. Better but not up to previous standards! Jabs on Monday which will fuck it up again sad

Bryzoan Wed 03-Apr-13 06:59:33

Kirrin we would never get sick of your whinging.

We get loads of help thank goodness. Funded 1 on 1 support 2 mornings a week at preschool - and her preschool and keyworker are awesome. They even have all the staff and the other 2 yr olds learning some makaton! Also portage, physio and speech and language. And then we get extra speech therapy privately which her dla pays for. Does mean between that and trips to check up on her and g's hips the week gets pretty full on though smile

Hope you get out today kirrin. Problem with school hols us everywhere gets so busy!

PetiteRaleuse Wed 03-Apr-13 07:03:03

Happy swearing fucking Wednesday.

Bollocks night here. Can't blame anyone but my own imagination and insomnia. DH going for the snip tomorrow and got into a oh what could go wrong train of thought.

ChasingDaisy Wed 03-Apr-13 07:31:53

Looks like there were some pretty bad night's last night sad brew and a reminder that it is sweary Wednesday to those In need.

Luis did you manage to get some sleep?

Fatima you have clearly thought your decision through thoroughly and your logic is sound. Sounds like you have made the right decision for you.

pass PR lily and any other insomnia sufferers, please let me know if you find any cures <matchsticks needed emoticon>

O was a star - slept 8:15 - 2:30 and 3:15 - still sleeping now. First time ever he has only had one night feed. He took a big feed before bed but think the poor thing is just knackered from being passed around all evening and going to bed an hour later than usual.

Clarella Wed 03-Apr-13 08:20:58

fucking buggery couldn't sleep myself while lo slept for 3 hours in hammock. grrrr

kirrinIsland Wed 03-Apr-13 08:26:59

Thank bryzoan smile
it's great that DD gets so much support. I can imagine it makes life pretty full on though!

LuisGarcia Wed 03-Apr-13 08:27:11


BigPigLittlePig Wed 03-Apr-13 08:27:23

Fucking fucksticks with liberal sprinklings of shit on top.

<puts in matchsticks>
<matchsticks snap>
>uses gaffer tape to peel back oh-so-heavy lids>

8.30, 9.15, 12, 3 more wakings for food before I next looked at the clock to discover it was only 4.15. DH did this face - shock - when I referred to F as a little witch. It was the politest term I could muster.

Chasing how was the meal?

BigPigLittlePig Wed 03-Apr-13 08:28:06

Fuck that luis - too enthusiastic by far.

ValiumQueen Wed 03-Apr-13 08:30:08

J has just woken. He went down at 10 and woke once for a brief feed around 4.30. Good boy! We have 5oz of formula left. Just as well I have one boob that still works. If they have not sorted the px at the Dr, it will be sweary Wednesday in RL too!

ValiumQueen Wed 03-Apr-13 08:31:31

Too early for shouting luis!

Clarella Wed 03-Apr-13 08:32:36

burst in to floods. aibu? I basically go to bed when lo does as he seems to feed from half 6 till half 7/8 and we do it in bed. not sure how to stop that but hoping it'll get quicker which it is. and as so bad at mo I just get my head down. saw dh had had a nice pudding while chilling in front of tv last night. commented ooh is that what you had? him: big grin. me: I feel miss out on everything now. him: well, you know we could work on getting him to sleep better ..... ffs so cross. he means formula (from what I can tell only diff is he could give bottle plus lo won't take bottles much) and some sort of sleep training though as far as I can tell we sort of are. he thinks don't feed ay every wake up but I've tried and if he doesn't want food he'll go but at mo he really does! it feels like 'it's all my fault' when I'm just trying the best for lo, given all the horrendous feeding stuff that's happened plus thrush on top now. sad

at the end of the day I feel men just can't be arsed with the reality of a baby sometimes. a friend said men always see it from their point of view, women see it from the baby's. so true.

Clarella Wed 03-Apr-13 08:35:48

also I get really upset that dh is for ever saying things like "hes just pissing around" when lo fussing over feeding due to sore thrush tongue. I'm sure he wouldn't say that if our baby was a girl sad

BigPigLittlePig Wed 03-Apr-13 08:36:08

I'm eating cake for breakfast.

PetiteRaleuse Wed 03-Apr-13 08:36:14

Damn Mike the Knight. DD1 thinks the dog should play horses with her. Poor love. The dog.

Right, it's snowing. Just a little. This weather is taking the piss. Where are my nice warm April days in the sun?

PetiteRaleuse Wed 03-Apr-13 08:36:31

I ate a kitkat.

Contradictionincarnate Wed 03-Apr-13 08:40:17

* clarella* formula doesn't mean more sleep if that's what he is thinking. dd has odd bottle on certain days and sometimes just before sleep no differences noted.
if you express let him give the 7pm feed and you have the pudding for a change! smile

BigPigLittlePig Wed 03-Apr-13 08:42:05

contra - you're alive!

ValiumQueen Wed 03-Apr-13 08:48:16

clarella I feel your pain. Things are better now thankfully, but I used to really resent hearing DH laughing at the TV, seeing the empty wine glass and crisp packets the next morning, then him complaining he was tired. Remember what an important job you are doing for your child, and remember it will not be long before you are tucking LO up in bed and able to enjoy your evenings again.

PetiteRaleuse Wed 03-Apr-13 08:54:08

contra where have you been?

Passmethecrisps Wed 03-Apr-13 09:08:03


<passes round matchsticks, coffee and croissant>

I slept much better last night. I know I got up but I have no idea how often or at what time. This is good. P asked for her dummy once and once I got up to find her wiggled right down the bottom of the basket with her legs poking over the end. She was still asleep but obviously uncomfortable so she was wiggling about thus making the situation even more precarious. I don't think it would be possible for her to actually fall out but it does make me a bit concerned. I suppose this is another argument for moving towards the cot bed sooner.

clarella it does sound as if you and your DH need to find more of a teamwork solution. I know it sounds daft but could he not have brought you some pudding? Maybe he could come to bed with you both and hang out for an hour. You must be ships that pass in the night at the moment. I what sort of sleep training does he want to implement? It might be worth having a proper chat about it at least just so he feels involved.

Passmethecrisps Wed 03-Apr-13 09:11:09

Hia contra! How's it hangin?

BigPigLittlePig Wed 03-Apr-13 09:11:21

Right, F is back in bed. Today, we are following the 90 minute rule. So far, so good watch it all crumble around me
I wish I had a crystal ball, to know how long I've got before she wakes up again. If it was a decent stretch of time, I'd be back to bed myself like a shot.

PurplePidjin Wed 03-Apr-13 09:12:40

Clarella may i call him a twunt? Cos he's acting like a total arse. He should be bringing you pudding and keeping you company! Dp got the bedroom telly hooked up to the aerial so we could have evenings together. Show him the article you posted on the other thread about bf benefits angry

ChasingDaisy Wed 03-Apr-13 09:39:20

Oscar just tried to drink out of my glass! Time to buy him a sippy cup? Any particular one better than others?

Hi contra I've been worried about you!

The meal last night was awful. I was ignored. He is still golden child. Oh well. They've shown themselves for what they really are.

Passmethecrisps Wed 03-Apr-13 09:39:31

bp oh I hear you on that one. If I dare to close my eyes it'll be a half hour snooze. If I potter around waiting then she will pull put a 90 minuter! The 90 minute between sleeps thing doesn't really work here either. She whines to get into bed within 45 minutes of waking up but lies awake for over an hour sometimes

Contradictionincarnate Wed 03-Apr-13 09:42:10

sorry guys been away and lurking too but finding it hard to catch up and feeling guilty for always wallowing in self pity when I posted.
felt guilty that I wasn't doing so good for dd compared to others with classes singing etc and was posting on here when I should be playing with her!

Passmethecrisps Wed 03-Apr-13 09:43:27

chasing it's all further evidence that you are right to get away. They should be ashamed of themselves.

As for sippee cups a basic one should do the job. All babies in Scotland get a tommee tippee one with a hard sip bit. You want one which allows them to learn to sip not suck. I give P our one to play with to watch wether she has the coordination to use it.

Passmethecrisps Wed 03-Apr-13 09:49:51

contra please don't feel guilty for posting what matters to you. What goes around comes around and at some point you will be chipping in with support for others. As for the classes and such - I always see that like the photos of babies on Facebook. I could take a million pictures of Penelope crying, frowning, looking miserable and so on but I don't. I self-edit to put the cutest and smiliest ones on. It would be very easy to look at the pics and believe that everyone's baby smiles and coos all the time and yours is the only one who cries. With classes some people are great at that and throw themselves in while others won't go to anything. Neither approach is the 'right' one it's just different.

And P is currently wiggling about in her basket smiling to herself. She is quite happy and doesn't care that I am posting and drinking coffee

BigPigLittlePig Wed 03-Apr-13 09:56:10

contra there is little better way to pass the time whilst bf'ing than MNing and eating crap Don't feel guilty. Nice to have you un-lurked again!

Limpit80 Wed 03-Apr-13 10:35:59

Bry and Pp Have been thinking of putting him on his front, but he can't roll yet, so I didn't think it was allowed. He is in the cot right beside me though.
BP what kind of cake? I just got a parcel from a friend in NZ containing shoes for LO and chocolate for me, so that's gonna be my brekkie blush
Chasing That really is shit! There's no excuse. Especially when you are so outnumbered. flowers
We are off out fir lunch with NCT mummies later. I need to wash my hair, but am pinned beneath a sleeping baby boy.

Sophiathesnowfairy Wed 03-Apr-13 10:48:19

contra I haven't done any classes with poor old litte O. I haven't even taken him swimming yet and I go back to work next week. We all have moments where we come here and let it all go, and moments when we come and support others. The quiche is a very freeing place to be where we can talk honestly about how we feel and not have to put the Woman Face of Coping on.

Achievements so far today.

Two boys dressed, breakfasted and at nursery by 07:45

Two girls bathed, hair washed, breakfasted, dressed in pretty dresses

One mummy, showered hair washed, blow dried, make up'd dressed reasonablyish

One wash done and on line

One wash done and waiting to go on line.

Coffee I think. Then grandpa is coming to take us out to lunch. grin

Limpit80 Wed 03-Apr-13 10:59:39

Wow Sophia! I wont list mine, mainly because 2 things doesn't really constitute a list and because neither of the things are really achievements!
Has anyone left their LO with someone that they (the LO) dont really know? Lots of our friends keeps offering to babysit and OH is keen to go out, but I just dont feel that F has met them enough times and that if he wakes and we're not there,he'll be terrified. But I think DP thinks Im a bit over protective.
Clarella Sometimes I think my DP thinks I just feed F all night for the fun of it! Last night we swapped sides so I could get some sleep and he said: 'You know, it might not be a and thing if he doesn't get fed at every waking!' hmm I felt like throttling him! I dont feed him at every waking! If i did, Id have no bloody nipples left after the last two nights!

Bryzoan Wed 03-Apr-13 11:06:49

Limpit, g isn't rolling either. It isn't advised - and sleeping on their backs is lower risk. I do often try g on his back but mostly he doesn't seem to get as much sleep as we both need that way, so to me sleeping on his front with me next to him feels acceptable.

Contra - it's always lovely to hear from you. And we all have tough days sometimes. And we all have days where we feel we're not doing enough. Posting when feeding works for me mostly but sometimes it doesn't and I go quiet. Do what feels right for you and don't worry about it smile

Clarella - definitely be clear about what you need and try and include him. I have been where you are and it is bloody hard. We now have a deal that dh watches crap telly to unwind if he wants to, and sometimes I sit and feed watching it with him. But he cleans the kitchen and does the washing up before coming to bed so I'm not up all night and still left with everything. Seems to work quite well for both of us. Dh says he doesn't mind jobs as long as I don't try and manage his time for him though sometimes I have to as he can be a bit rubbish at it.

ChasingDaisy Wed 03-Apr-13 11:28:58

Clarella I think you definitely need to have a chat with him. Parenting is a joint venture and just because you are bf doesn't mean he can't help you out in the evenings. In fact, even more reason for him to help you out!

contra please dont feel bad, I have posted nothing but moaning for the past two weeks, but we all have times when we need the extra support of the quiche.

In other news, today I feel happy smile

Also, whenever I leave O playing on the floor and leave the room I return to find him facing the other way. He never does it when I'm in the room. Think he's trying to make me think I'm going mad.

PurplePidjin Wed 03-Apr-13 11:41:18

Limpit, R has been on his front since 4 weeks. I had to choose between us both sleeping or him being on his tummy. Would you sleep forced into one position? I wasn't safe to drive, and he would only sleep while on one of us. Within a couple of weeks he was reliably sleeping in his crib, it's just a shame his sleep patterns are the same now as then! Drop a night feed, dammit!!

R will be a fuck of a lot older before he's left with anyone other than dp or i.

Kyzordz Wed 03-Apr-13 11:41:57

chasing we were advised to get a basic tommee tippee sippy cup because learning how to sip helps them with learning how to make new sounds because their mouths have to move differently or something along those lines

I don't think I have space for an ikea high chair sad can anyone recommend a half decent folding type chair instead?

Sorry, haven't said morning yet!! Good cunting morning!

Missed you contra don't feel guilty for posting, nope nope nope

I haven't taken LO to a group either. Or swimming. I am going to (definitely swimming, anyway)

Hope your dp's snippy oppy goes ok pr

Sorry to hear of the bad nights, ours wasn't the best but has been worse. Dp had LO at bedtime for an hour and a half, and he screamed blue murder for an hour until I got back, and then went bed for me in seconds. He went in the bath ok etc but would not go to sleep for him and got all worked up. Oops. Dp was very stressed and i can only blame myself really, other than a couple of times when tiny, I ALWAYS put him to bed. Stupid cow that I am didn't think of what might happen if I'm not about at one time or another.

And I have an abcess in my mouth again. Sweary fucking Wednesday indeed.

kirrinIsland Wed 03-Apr-13 11:43:44

contra if you did a search of my posts on here, most would be lack of sleep induced moaning. I feel better writing it down. I don't expect anyone to pay any attention to it! This bit is hard - rant away smile

ChunkyEasterChick Wed 03-Apr-13 11:47:41

Shitty night in comparison to last wk here but not terrible by some standards so I won't go on. Haven't caught up as its chaos here due to having carpets fitted on the stairs, landing & in A's room.

Calling for help from the wise quiche!! grin

I've cocked up, only in a relatively minor way, but could do with some ideas.

I ordered a personalised octonauts cake topper & what I thought were 30 fairy cake toppers. I did not as it seems, because they arrived today (bloody quick too!!). I've got a lovely circular 7.5" personalized one (was thinking I'd do 2 birthday cakes, one with the topper & 1 of kwazi's face you see, for the 2 parties - kids then family iyswim) and a 10x7.5" rectangular one.

So now I'm wondering what to do.

Do I order a set of fairy cake toppers & discard the (£3.99) rectangular one?

Do I just say sod it, get a round & rectangular birthday cake & forget the kwazi face one?

Where do I get a large rectangular cake?

Bearing in mind, any baking I do needs to be done at someone else's house as my oven is shite. So in that way, I'm quite glad that I don't have to fairy cakes. And actually, given I was going to do a few other sweet things, I prob don't need fairy cakes + birthday cake iykwim.

Feck it all!! Any suggestions?!! smile

kirrinIsland Wed 03-Apr-13 11:49:26

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kirrinIsland Wed 03-Apr-13 11:53:06

Ignore that link - it's done it's own thing again! And I was all pleased with myself for linking from my iPad!
It's a mother care plastic booster seat that attaches to your own dining chair.

Passmethecrisps Wed 03-Apr-13 12:01:00

I have just eaten a MASSIVE bowl of spaghetti with chilli flakes and garlic oil. It's not even 12. I'm not BFing or pregnant. I have no excuse for such gluttony. It was delicious though.

Hmm chunky. What's a Kwazi? Is it an Octonaught? So you don't have the cupcakes but you have one round cake and one rectangular one? If you have enough cake I would leave it. What about rice crispie cakes with Octonaught sugar faces? Don't even know if they exist.

Never had a birthday party in my life. Not looking forward to that bit actually. <mean mummy emoticon>

Izzybuzzybuzzybees Wed 03-Apr-13 12:01:48

Shit night had here. No reason for it but had actual screaming that woke DH.

On plus side I'm meeting a friend and her 9 week old baby for lunch :-)

Passmethecrisps Wed 03-Apr-13 12:02:47

You know when they say babies have to be able to sit up on their own does that mean so you can plop them on the floor and they will sit up completely alone?

ChasingDaisy Wed 03-Apr-13 12:05:14

Tying myself in knots about bloody sippy cups. Ok, so there is the TT First Cup or a slightly more fancy looking TT Explora First Sips. Help?!

ChasingDaisy Wed 03-Apr-13 12:10:14

Ahh ok, the basic cup has no valve so encourages baby to sip rather than suck. That's the one then.

itsnotyouitsMeals Wed 03-Apr-13 12:19:09

kyz we have a tiny house and have a handysit. It's ace and we took it everywhere for DD1. Expensive but not so with two and here's a link for secondhand in gumtree. gumtree Handysit. Could try eBay or Preloved. Meals x

ChunkyEasterChick Wed 03-Apr-13 12:38:38

Thanks pass. Yes Kwazi is an octonaut smile

I think birthday cake, biscuits, iced gems, sweets & fruit are prob enough for the sweet part of the buffet, so fairy cakes are a bit unnecessary... I just have to find a rectangular iced madeira cake from somewhere. Def NOT going to experiment in baking a cake like that at the mo esp with our shockingly bad oven.

PR good luck to Mr PR grin

ChunkyEasterChick Wed 03-Apr-13 12:39:47

chasing the basic 1. Got mine for 50p from Asda for DD a couple of yrs ago....

Passmethecrisps Wed 03-Apr-13 12:48:22

I see chunky. I reckons you should head to a supermarket - any one with a decent baking department will have one.

ValiumQueen Wed 03-Apr-13 12:53:30

pass do Scottish babies get given them then? I will have you know my J has a bone china vintage Beatrix Potter one that he will not be allowed to touch until he is 20

Where I live all babies seem to have fruit shoot bottles.

Got a sodding puncture in my pushchair tyre today. Fuck. There was glass on the path in the park so I went on the grass and got a spine thing in it.

ValiumQueen Wed 03-Apr-13 12:56:34

chunky as pass says, most supermarkets will sell rectangular ones. They often have reasonably priced tray bakes too that you could pop it on?

PetiteRaleuse Wed 03-Apr-13 12:59:07

contra LO hasn't been to any classes, they don't exist round here other tyan swimming, and I will be taking her myself, not to classes, once her ear is absolutely clear.

In fact I am not sure she has ever worn anything other than vest and onesie.

And the latest thingnI havefound to occupy her is shaking a bottle of fizzy water in front of her and she likes to watch it settle. And again. And again.

I think the classes and everything linked to that is more of value to the mums, giving them a chanceto get out and have adult conevrsation, than to the babies. Which is important too.

Round here I'm on my own so LO just has to make do with me, her sister and the dog. But we're doing just fine smile

ValiumQueen Wed 03-Apr-13 13:06:19

pr is that not a bit dangerous? Likely to explode? How about a bottle of water with glitter in? Well sealed obviously.

J has not been to any formal classes. He has to endure a lot at home, so anything else would be too much.

PetiteRaleuse Wed 03-Apr-13 13:12:57

Explode? Really? It's only mineral water that I am drinking from the bottle so the main bit of fizz goes when it is first opened. I've never had one explode. It's not a glass bottle.

PetiteRaleuse Wed 03-Apr-13 13:14:38

<checks children are sleeping and takes bottles out into the garden to see if I can make them explode. Sounds like fun>

BigPigLittlePig Wed 03-Apr-13 13:21:38

Quick question - I thought newborns sucked for comfort but that they grew out of it, so why has F, in the past week, started doing it? She never stops sucking after feeding, it's like a reflex - so I have to prise her off my boob when it's obvious she's done. And once asleep, her little mouth is sucking away at nothing...Any ideas why??

PurplePidjin Wed 03-Apr-13 13:40:05

No idea, Pig, but R has started too. Teeth?

Day two of Nap In Crib shock

<passes vinegar and bicarb to PR>

ValiumQueen Wed 03-Apr-13 13:52:11

pr if opened that would be fine grin

pp vinegar and bicarbonate! Now you are talking grin

The eagle has landed. Clearly the threat of a suppository was sufficient. OMFG! Green and slimy. Not at all what I expected.

Passmethecrisps Wed 03-Apr-13 14:04:12

Always green and slimy here.

Maybe not all Scottish babies. Maybe just ones not lucky enough to have bone china. Actually I think someone have us a bone china set so I should return the plastic one. I have had hunners of stuff from the HV - two lots of toothpaste and toothbrush, story books and te tommee tippee cup.


ChunkyEasterChick Wed 03-Apr-13 14:13:53

pass & VQ not sure its only Scottish babies. I was given tommee tippee cup, toothpaste etc etc for DD when she was born but nowt for DS. But then I have moved to a naice area in the meantime. Maybe they don't give to second/third timers? or maybe they thought I was <whispers it> "common" before??! wink

Passmethecrisps Wed 03-Apr-13 14:52:19

I just managed to get off sofa, tend to P in basket and get back on the sofa all without disturbing the cat on my knee. <awesome emoticon>

Hmm. Do you think I can change the poo nappy which has just happened without bothering the cat?

ValiumQueen Wed 03-Apr-13 15:34:44

pass always green and slimy? Wow. I have had fuck all off the HV. I will ask tomorrow.

PetiteRaleuse Wed 03-Apr-13 15:51:52

envy of the free samples. When I left the hospital I took a few nappies, a few bottles of ready made formula, and other than that have had nothing since, though Pampers do send me money off vouchers from time to time. Which I don't use as they are for France, and I buy my nappies in Germany where they are about a third of the price.

DD1 keeps making a mess deliberately so that we can clean it up. She loves 'helping' to hoover or wipe up stuff. It's fucking annoying, and was cute the first time she did it. If I turn my back on her while she has a bowl of cornflakes she tips it out and shouts 'Mama, hoooooooover' with a look of innocence on her face. Then looks away and grins.

ChasingDaisy Wed 03-Apr-13 15:56:36

pass I am impressed and envy . I miss having a cat around the place. Not the half eaten mice strewn around the house though envy << not a jealous face.

ChunkyEasterChick Wed 03-Apr-13 16:01:18

My wonderful sleeping baby has been stolen & replaced by a wonderful giggling cooing (new sound today: huh) boob-monster.hmm

PetiteRaleuse Wed 03-Apr-13 16:02:46

Sweary Wednesday isn't very sweary today is it.

BigPigLittlePig Wed 03-Apr-13 16:06:16

pr am too bleary-eyed to swear. I'm sure detective will be along to correct matters.

chasing my cat brings us twigs - the more leaves attached the better.

Of all days, dsds mum has gone into labour - so am off to pick dsd up imminently. Bloody knackered, and was looking forward to dh having 2 days off work, and doing some grown-up things together. Guess that won't be happening then.

ChasingDaisy Wed 03-Apr-13 16:06:42

Is it sunny there PR? It's sunny here. Maybe the sun has driven the swear words away.

ChasingDaisy Wed 03-Apr-13 16:07:42

How are you feeling today pig? Anymore like yourself?

PetiteRaleuse Wed 03-Apr-13 16:10:06

No sun here. In fact it snowed this morning. April is normally lovely and warm. sad

BigPigLittlePig Wed 03-Apr-13 16:11:21

Not feeling so pathetic today chasing, but a long way from feeling like me. Thankyou for asking smile It's just the chronic sleep deprivation - I know others have it worse, much worse, and I do not know how they manage. That's part of the reason I was looking forward to the next 2 days, but instead we will be entertaining a very boisterous over-excited 5 year old who I love lots but haven;t got the energy for

Bryzoan Wed 03-Apr-13 16:20:15

I think anyway not being able to do the stuff you used to changes how you see yourself. Pre kids I used to dive nearly every weekend - and I really, really miss it. And I miss weekends away walking, drinking and / or doing nothing with friends. Went into work for a catch up this afternoon, had been quite looking forward to restarting at the end of the yr for a little bit of time not kid related. But it did remind me that as far as 'me time' goes I've had better!

Hopefully a return to diving will be on the cards one day, but it is so time and cash intensive I can't see it happening any time soon.

Passmethecrisps Wed 03-Apr-13 16:23:59

Always green and slimy. Used to be green and solid. Now slimy. Can never find anyone who knows Or cares if this is ok.

In hospital as well the nurses told me off nicely for using our own nappies. They supplied maternity pads as well. Awesome to have free shit.

Passmethecrisps Wed 03-Apr-13 16:26:27

Penny opens her mouth whenever she touches anything. Everything would go in mouth if possible. This includes the cat. Is that normal?

MissMummy1 Wed 03-Apr-13 16:33:39

Matilda tried to put the dog's tail in her mouth recently...

Det I have to reverse past 3 houses to get out of my mums drive. She lives at the end of the culdesac in a newbuild estate. The guy saw me reversing but pulled out behind me off his drive. Surely he is at fault? Fucker.

Re classes. I do baby yoga for me M is just there and have just signed up for baby sensory. Again for me as I like a lot of the mums who are going. blush We also did HV run baby massage. I know some people who do a different class every day and have super strict routines for their babies. I do not. We all do things differently and there is no right or wrong. smile Baby classes can be scary and cliquey places. confused

M is being a total whingebag today. I have just finished working and want to go out and buy myself a new dress to wear out at the weekend. It's my birthday on Sunday and I've been promised a nice meal out but i have nothing to wear that fits anymore sad . I've probably left it too late today now. sad

ChunkyEasterChick Wed 03-Apr-13 16:38:35

I miss someone putting me first sad The dc (rightly) get put first by DH & I, but I think he puts himself above me in his own head, & I have to put him/the family/his work first, so I'm the bottom of the list.

My skin is so dry, my hands are cracking, but I barely have time to breathe, let alone moisturise.

I return to work in October but I'm worried that Gove et al could use all my sweary Wednesday allocation on him the fucking cunting wankbadgering pissflap of a smeghead will essentially have eroded all I love about the job by then, & ripped the inkling of job security & benefits of actually doing the job, which can help you keep going when it gets tough, out of it so it'll pretty much suck balls by then.

So I really really miss being 'me' & worry that when I get back to work, it won't let me be 'me' anymore. sad

And to drink a motherfucking cup of tea when its HOT would be awesome....

Sorry.blush Bit self-indulgent that, but fuck it. I rarely get the chance to do what I want. Have typed this 1-handed with sleeping bubba on me so I've been doing something. grin

Bryzoan Wed 03-Apr-13 16:38:59

Happy birthday for Sunday mm. Hope you find yourself something lovely. You sure as hell deserve it.

Pass - entirely normal I think. But if he eats the whole cat probably time to call 111.

Bryzoan Wed 03-Apr-13 16:56:13

flowers chunky. I am feeling similarly self indulgent. Less harassed by wankbadgering Grove, granted, but definitely concerned that my return to work will not be a bed of roses. And definitely feeling like #5 on the priority list (after the kids, dh's work and dh). In some ways being a mum is the best thing in the world but it does also suck sometimes.

ChunkyEasterChick Wed 03-Apr-13 17:22:54

Thanks bry & agree - I love being a Mum 99.9% of the time, but its the 0.1% that can get you down...

Ah well. I have new carpet. That's a good start wink

ValiumQueen Wed 03-Apr-13 17:39:14

I too have forgotten who I am. I look in the mirror and I do not recognise the old fat tired looking woman looking back at me. I know it will get better. I know in a few short weeks I will feel great again. I am still in the baby bubble.

DH asked why I look so tired today as J only had me up once in the night. I tried again to explain about the last fucking five fucking months.

J was not so dismissive of the apple today. I mixed it with the prune juice.

pass I find it reassuring that I am not the only one with a baby producing green slime. Not entirely happy about it though, for either of the little ones. With J it could be because he is still having my shit lactose packed milk, even though it is in small amounts, but he did have two lovely yellow poos on the regular formula, so that is unlikely. It could be teething, or a bug. He seems happy enough so I will focus on that. Baby clinic tomorrow. Got 4 tubs of formula today, so that is progress.

PurplePidjin Wed 03-Apr-13 17:44:54

Same here, Bry. Feels like i make all the sacrifices, only for someone to then say "Right, now I want..."

Dp is meeting with work tomorrow <eep>

PetiteRaleuse Wed 03-Apr-13 17:49:23

Similar story here. Don.t recognise myself in the mirror. Have never been a make up person but feel like I have aged so much in two years, and the horrible hard water is attacking my skin, and I don't have the opportunity to do something about it.

I don't feel fat - the fat has gone, but I feel saggy, and find it hard to even be bothered to sit up straight, which of course makes it all worse.

I accept that it will be like this for another couple of years, and then I will get my life back. Like my old life, but better, as I'll have my two lovely children.

Passmethecrisps Wed 03-Apr-13 17:56:01

I have tried to raise the poo issue with various people and get no joy. The response I most often get is that BF babies have yellow poo but ff babies are different. It can feel very isolating.

Passmethecrisps Wed 03-Apr-13 17:57:30

Blimey pp I hope the meeting goes well tomorrow!

PennieLane Wed 03-Apr-13 18:00:00

I'm another one with cracking hands and skin on my face (from the cold) who looks about 5 years older than I am. I wasn't feeling fat and saggy until about two weeks ago. I think it's because I was still used to my preggo body. I really want to lose half a stone to feel better but no idea when I can fit in proper toning exercise. hmm hmm

It's Sadface Wednesday not sweary Wednesday.

VQ good luck with HV. Occasional green poo here. I've worked out its when she doesn't feed for long enough to get hind milk but sleeps. Formula normally sorts it out, but yours sounds like something more.

kirrinIsland Wed 03-Apr-13 18:00:00

My DP asks questions like that VQ - I have so far resisted the temptation to lamp him smile

I miss riding. I used to play most weekends and ride 3 or 4 times in the week. Since DD1 was born I've ridden about 12 times. I would like to get back to it and to get the girls going too, but I can't see it happening any time soon. Like diving it's very time consuming and expensive.

I am, however, going to go for a brisk walk run tonight.

Clarella Wed 03-Apr-13 18:02:37

it's lovely and sunny here - not a sweary Wednesday at all though will happily join in Gove bashing the buggery arsing creativity bashing numpty that he is

hugs chunky. I know what you mean about being 'me' at work. I'm actually lucky as an sen teacher as we have to totally teach outside the box and Gove can't really affect what we teach.

and hugs to lots of other Fred peeps in need. you too chasing, sorry it went badly.

yes vq one good night doesn't really cancel out 5months. fx you get a few more.

feel lots better. thanks for listening to moans about dh this morning - as have various mum pals too! to be fair he is usually very supportive and had brought pate on toast for my tea in bed and has in the past brought the laptop up for me to watch housewives of nyc (even watching with me). Its as if the novelty is wearing a bit thin though at the mo and he can't get his head round the sleep going backwards. I get stressed as it feels the sleep is linked to the feeding but as ultimately I'm feeding it rests with me but as his mum if he wants the food I'll give it. tbh dh doesn't want us cosleeping but when bf it's much easier. I'm going to be pointing out how clever our son is due to all the observing in the day and feeding/ processing at night (holding toes and teddy bear rolling!) plus that if g were to be (god forbid) taken from us in some horrid accident we would wish we hadn't spent so much time arguing about his sleep.

on the teaching outside the box we had LOTS of fun with mentos in cola with one very hard class who liked exploding things!

ValiumQueen Wed 03-Apr-13 18:03:39

I think we are too tired to swear.

PetiteRaleuse Wed 03-Apr-13 18:07:49

I don't even live in the UK but am always happy to indulge in a bit of Gove-Cameron-Osborne-DuncanTwattingSmith bashing.

Did I forget someone? Oh yes, May-Hague-Johnson-Hunt

That'll do for now.

Lily311 Wed 03-Apr-13 18:57:41

Thanks fuck for sweary Wed. I have had a hell of a day.

Dd screamed all day. I actually had to take paracetamol. It wasn't crying screaming, it was "i am annoyed, nothing is good" screaming. I realized that she has two fucking teeth breaking through at the same time so no wonder she was so irritated. Lots of gel and calpol did the job for about 5 min than it started again. I put her to bed at 6.30 hoping that by tmrw she will have those teeth out.

I am also annoyed with NHS right now. Remember that Gp referred her for urgent hip scan and to a peadiatric orthopedist? So still nothing came through and surgery chased it up. The consultant at st thomas' decided that fuck the gp's concern and her case was not urgent and he put us on the waiting list. 10 fucking months to get an appointment. I am well pissed off, gp will call tmrw directly to talk to consultant and demand appointment. I nearly cried when they told me. Now I have 2 choices: either go privately if gp can't get app or wait till I move and go in Hungary. If I go here, it will cost a lot for scan plus consultant and not to mention any treatments she requires. Dr won't be able to follow her up as we won't be here from May. Or wait 4 weeks and go in Hungary. It will cost me nothing as she is automatically entitled to NHS there and I can make an appointment for the same day as I arrive. Time is our enemy. The sooner they see her the better chances she has. Any thoughts? I will know tmrw eve if GP is successful to put us back on the urgent list.

I am exhausted. And fat. Need to lose a stone but have no willpower whatsoever. Fuck.

ChasingDaisy Wed 03-Apr-13 18:59:19

Another screaming fit in the bath sad. He seemed scared. He's been funny about his bath since MIL saw him in his bath and he started screaming. Is it possible he feels vulnerable? Going back to basics tomorrow, will take him into the bathroom but just wash him with a flannel and build up to a bath in a few days time.

BigPigLittlePig Wed 03-Apr-13 19:29:45

chasing can you have a bath with him?

Pikz Wed 03-Apr-13 19:33:54

Am awaiting thankful Thursday. Thankful that I've loved my hols but can't wit to get home where LO can be in his own room again,I get sleep and to eat before 9pm.

Missed my quiche!

Passmethecrisps Wed 03-Apr-13 19:42:15

That is ridiculous lily. I sometimes wonder what the point of referrals are. Do they hope you'll just get bored and wander off?

Strange chasing. Does he has a seat? I know P loved baths then started visibly panicking - flinging her arms around and trying to grab at the sides. I worked out she felt insecure so we started using a seat. I also wonder if sharing a bath might help. He used to like them didn't he?

Would cat count as a finger food? BLW in its most natural. Not keen on pureeing. Lot of spoon feeding in a cat

StuntNun Wed 03-Apr-13 20:06:17

My tip on babies feeding interminably is when you get bored the sucking rate slows and/or they're not swallowing start doing breast compressions whenever they stop sucking. Keep doing compressions until two in a row result in no sucking then either swap sides or finish the feed.

I was thinking about doing a post on my ongoing attempts at sleep training if anyone would be interested?

Bryzoan Wed 03-Apr-13 20:13:21

Lily I would see what happens re the Gp. 4 weeks isn't too bad - but sooner the better. Another issue is that as they get bigger less is visible on the ultrasound - but the bone isn't developed enough to see on x-ray for around a year (so said my consultant last week when commenting on g's size now). Where were you referred to? If there was a prob you would prob need to transfer treatment to Hungary as it takes a while. You could always phone STEPS charity for advice (google them - they are great).

Chasing - I bet o would love it if you bathed with him. Worked for my dd when she got scared of water. And it's really nice :-)

BigPigLittlePig Wed 03-Apr-13 20:19:42

O god so tired. F is broken, that's all I can deduce. She's tired. Dribbly. Shouty. Won't sleep. Won't feed. Keeps tearing my fucking boobs to shreds when she does try to feed. Not sure what else to do. She won't take a bottle, or a dummy. Calpol hasn't helped. WHAT THE FUCK TO DO??? Am on the brink of tears, for no good reason other than I need to sleep, so very badly.

Bryzoan Wed 03-Apr-13 20:27:22

Oh pig - I've so been there. Try a sling? She is probably exhausted if she would only sleep...

Alternatively put her down and take 5. You sound like you've properly had it.

Wooo fucking hooo
Work have agreed to me going back part time!!! Yay

<ignores fact I don't want to be leaving M anytime soon>

ChasingDaisy Wed 03-Apr-13 20:36:51

Oh pig - can your DH take her for a while? Is she teething? Have you tried gel?

Thanks for bath advice. pass he used to love them. Has never cried before let alone full on screaming. He was very distressed sad Will leave his bath for a couple of days, which will probably be good for his eczema anyway. Will then try washing him in the bathroom and then try a bath with him.

Sophiathesnowfairy Wed 03-Apr-13 20:36:51

Yes please stunt . Always good to share stuff like that. Is how we learn.

Lovely day. Ended up retrieving both boys from nursery at three as their temps were up and DS1 was in bits, really cling on and had regressed back to the baby room and was there with Olly, both of them having cuddles with the young slim blonde nursery worker whom he was attached to when he was in baby room. hmm me thinks they were both faking it for said cuddles. In particular, when home, Olly sits in his DJ booth directing the other three in the conga round the living room. And, yes, they were actually singing the conga song! grin

Anyway think O's temp was teething. Unless I don't have to Calpol DS1 to get him up and going in the morning see a big change in DS1 in the morning think I will keep him at home for a pj day.

Not the Easter hols with the girls I had envisaged.

Oo and The Croods last night. Was ace.

MissMummy1 Wed 03-Apr-13 20:46:25

Food porn alert: I am currently nomming some hand dived scallops and langoustines. Hand dived by DP. He has some uses! grin

BigPigLittlePig Wed 03-Apr-13 20:50:27

She's finally feeding a bit better and nodding off. She's completely messed up her routines/sleep cycle over the past few weeks, so she's all over the place. She gets a bit hysterical if she goes to anyone else when she's whingy. Fingers crossed she nods off soon, then I can go to bed too. Teething gel is top of the shopping list for tomorrow - which one do people recommend?

chasing could it be that O's eczema is stinging in the water?
sophia sorry to hear of double-whammy temps sad
stunt what is a breast compression? [dumbass emoticon]

Clarella Wed 03-Apr-13 20:52:02

oh that is rubbish Lily. not sure what to advise though. I do know if you speak to as many people as possible and maybe ask for a second opinion (your right to do so) you can often get somewhere. fx gp is successful.

yes try a bath together chase - might only take a few nights and lo will be happy to try alone.

anyone used hammock? are they ok? we gotIt second hand when oversupply / reflux was an issue and used fir a week till going back to cot/ my bed and only used occasionally for naps. however didn't want to feed to sleep, seemed to be settling chopping on zebra and dummy (not sucking), lying next to me, started grizzling, plicked up to rock/ bob to sleep grizzling got strangely worse so threw in hammock - instant sleep. wtf . clear vote for hammock.... but feels we should be going for cot! or at least with me?! go with flow and see if he sleeps better and try cot again in a week or so? to be honest if I look at his sleep as a whole he'll actually sleep anywhere if he feels comfy. he's not that arsed about cosleeping except that it's quicker access to boobage. starting to think he should have been swaddled. fucking hv and their sids advice. I was told not to.

its just that he snores more in the hammock. and I'm just not sure :/

yes I'd be interested stunt. though ncss book now flung under bed with all the other books.

Clarella Wed 03-Apr-13 20:53:07

oh hugs bplp. boots own seems good plus the teething powder.

ChasingDaisy Wed 03-Apr-13 20:53:21

pig I use dentinox. O likes the taste and it seems to work. Good idea about the eczema, it has flared up over the past week or so. Going to the GP tomorrow so maybe won't attempt bath until it has healed a bit more. Thanks smile

ChasingDaisy Wed 03-Apr-13 20:53:21

pig I use dentinox. O likes the taste and it seems to work. Good idea about the eczema, it has flared up over the past week or so. Going to the GP tomorrow so maybe won't attempt bath until it has healed a bit more. Thanks smile

Clarella Wed 03-Apr-13 20:54:49

wow mm! that's serious food porn and exceptionally romantic!

ChasingDaisy Wed 03-Apr-13 20:57:01

Detective You've almost missed sweary Wednesday - where are you?!

PetiteRaleuse Wed 03-Apr-13 21:03:07

Isn't Detective going to Switzerland?

ChasingDaisy Wed 03-Apr-13 21:06:17

That she is.

BigPigLittlePig Wed 03-Apr-13 21:11:53

Right, F is in bed. I am following suit. Please god let her sleep tonight <sobs at thought I could be up again in 2 hours>

BigPigLittlePig Wed 03-Apr-13 21:14:46

Also (final question) - does teething ever make them cough? She keeps coughing and it's not clear if it's acid, dribble, or a viral-type of cough. Or something else confused

<scrabbles around under sofa for manual - nope, not there either>

Evilwater Wed 03-Apr-13 21:14:50

Just popped in. N has been like Velcro today. If you want to sock it to Ian Duncan smith sign this. The bastard!



Bryzoan Wed 03-Apr-13 21:17:04

Lily - get the consultant to try great ormond st if she gets nowhere with st Thomas. They have a very good reputation for hips.

I have a theory re the dhs. I think to them our needs seem caught up with the babies' needs sometimes and they feel bottom of the pile too.

Bryzoan Wed 03-Apr-13 21:20:19

Fingers crossed for you pig. In fact fingers crossed for all of us. I get the feeling the whole quiche could do with a spot of shut eye tonight in preparation for thankful Thursday.

PetiteRaleuse Wed 03-Apr-13 21:24:53

Pig could the excessive drool production make them cough? Trigger some kind of reflex? LO is also coughing at the moment. But then again so am I. And DD1, but she is also teething and has been coughing for months anyway. DH is also coughing but has been for months.

Clarella Wed 03-Apr-13 21:25:49

your dh theory is probably very true bry

melt down in hammock. back with me feeding. feel relieved as don't like that thing too much except for naps. god knows what tonight will bring but might just cosleep (if baby will bloody allow it!!)

PetiteRaleuse Wed 03-Apr-13 21:28:46

Wishing everyone lovely long nights of uninterupted sleep and sweet dreams.

MaMaPo Wed 03-Apr-13 21:49:08

Ok wise quiche, anyone know what the hell this is? C has been down for 2 hours. I'd just come to bed. She starts straining, grunting and crying, and when I look in the crib she is arching her back madly. (She is swaddled so putting in a fair effort). She doesn't seem to be awake (or fully awake) but is making a hell of a noise. No sign of wind/poo/farting.

I've just given her calpol and trying to cuddle her back to sleep. What on earth is that about? Pain or something else? Teeth? Am baffled.

Clarella Wed 03-Apr-13 21:53:28

mama we have loads of that and it's wind/ tummy cramps/ heart burn stuff. you could try cycling her legs and rubbing tummy in clockwise direction or up over shoulder?

lo in cot. 2 hours later than usual. but at least it's a cot.

GTbaby Wed 03-Apr-13 21:55:20

Fuck shit wanking crap. That's all I can manage today. Night night

Passmethecrisps Wed 03-Apr-13 21:59:50

Good luck clarella!

Sounds like wind mama

BP from my experience every ducking symptom is the same for every ducking thing! But yes, drool from teething makes then cough.

kirrinIsland Wed 03-Apr-13 22:02:01

Yes please stunt smile

Thats great Fatima - when are you going back?

lily I'd be pushing for a referral here, safe in the knowledge that you can get an appointment in Hungary if you need to.

N has been proper Velcro today, I haven't been able to do anything. She goes from beaming smiles in my arms to proper heart rending sobs when put down in about a second. DP does seem to finally be getting why I've found it stressful - I think he has been writing me off as just moaning! This evenings run was his idea, and it felt good even if I was gloriously pathetic

Good luck bplp and every one else for a good night's sleep.

MaMaPo Wed 03-Apr-13 22:07:17

Thanks all - wind? Weird, she's never had an issue with that and I would have assumed she'd be growing out of it.

Anyway, attempt to settle failed miserably; husband tried to give bottle of ebm and she got quite hysterical; she's now feeding with me like a mad thing, like she's never eaten before.

Well. All this bodes for a jolly night.

Clarella Wed 03-Apr-13 22:12:15

babies are weird.

only other thing mama is if it continues for a few nights get her checked for uti.

Clarella Wed 03-Apr-13 22:13:12

night night all hope it's a gud un....

Elizadoesdolittle Wed 03-Apr-13 22:15:57

bplp E has been really dribbly today and coughing lots too. She is teething so could be excess dribble causes a cough. I think she's been generally very mucusy all round though so might not be just because of the dribble.

E slept for 12 hours last night shock I did do 2 tube feeds during this time but I have discovered one benefit to them. I can feed her without waking her up resulting in her sleeping longer. Whilst I'm loving the long sleeps I am worried that this is interfering with her natural pattern. If it carries on my supply will be non existent during the night. So should I:
A) leave her asleep and if I wake up do a tube feed
B) wake her up to breast feed
C) just leave her to sleep and not do a tube or bf unless she wakes
Does this make sense?
She's supposed to have a tube feed every 4 hours but if she misses one in the night I really don't think it would matter.

I realise this is a lovely dilemma to have and apologies if my post seems insensitive to those struggling with sleep issues.

Thanks to those who commented re my other post about DD1's horrific behaviour. She's been better today but still trying. We'll get there. She's a strong willed little thing. God help me when she hits the teenage years is all I can say grin

Right after that self indulgent post I forgot what else I was going to reply too so I'll revisit the thread now.....

Elizadoesdolittle Wed 03-Apr-13 22:23:54

mamapo E does this when she has reflux. She arches her back and puts her head to one side. So could it be some form of pain? Hope the calpol helps.

chasing have you tried putting oilatum in o's bath. The gp can give it to you on prescription. DD1 had it for her's (which has gone now). It helped sooth her skin.

lily sorry to hear of your struggles. I hope you get it sorted.

Bryzoan Wed 03-Apr-13 22:28:31

Forgot to say way to go Fatima, and good luck for tomorrow mr pidj and mr pr.

Eliza I think in your shoes I would do the tube feed without waking her, and express to keep supply going. Then talk to consultant re dropping a feed / changing timings to give a longer spell.

Passmethecrisps Wed 03-Apr-13 22:31:28

Head to one side is what penny does with reflux too.

eliza p started sleeping through after 3 days of tube feeding. It's like she just learned how to sleep. I had no supply worries though so you issue is not just sleep. I reckon she would sleep as long as you let her.

Elizadoesdolittle Wed 03-Apr-13 22:49:56

Thanks guys. pass I know what you mean about them learning how to sleep. E always needed boob to fall asleep but now it seems she just knows how to do it. It's amazing what a full tummy can do. bry you're right. I should express. I've been very crap and neglectful at doing it at any time let alone night time. I'll take my pump up with me tonight. I spoke to the dietician today but I need to call them back tomorrow after E's weekly weight check so I'll discuss dropping a night feed with them. I think tonight I will do a tube feed before I go to sleep and then just let her sleep and I will express in the night.

On that note, good night all. Hope everyone has a good one.

Oh and yes stunt please post your update on sleep training. I always find your posts very informative, helpful and interesting.

Izzybuzzybuzzybees Wed 03-Apr-13 23:01:39

Bedtime in the buzzy household smile I'm so tired. Had a crap night last night so hoping for a good one tonight!

StuntNun Wed 03-Apr-13 23:19:36

BigPig to do breast compressions cup your hand in a c shape around the breast about an inch away from baby's mouth then squeeze firmly, but not painfully so, pressing down on the glandular tissue. This should squirt a bit of milk into baby's mouth and start them sucking again. It's used to 'empty the breast' when feeding and also let's the baby get a last chug of hindmilk before you change sides or finish the feed. It's great for non-nutritive sucking because you can tell whether their sucking for food or for comfort. If they're just sucking for comfort then they'll take the squirt of milk but won't keep swallowing afterwards. If they're sucking for food then the squirt of milk will stimulate them to keep feeding. There's a good article here: breast compression and there are videos on YouTube.

TheDetective Wed 03-Apr-13 23:37:19

<Slumps on to fred> Fuck shit wank piss. And my new favourite. Cock juggling thunder cunts.

Holy moly my legs are fucked. Been getting ready for Switzerland... ironing. Fucking ironing. All I can say is, thank fuck I got that new iron. It's fucking awesome. I almost enjoyed it. Note, almost. I'm not that nuts.

I've skim read. Sorry. blush It took me 30 fucking minutes to do that!

My little bit of today was because I have been so busy, I have been around O, but not done much with him. I took him with me when I went out to pick last minute bits up, but I suppose that doesn't count in his mind, as he is in the pram! So about 7.30pm, I finally sat down with him. He had been shouting on his changing mat, that not quite crying, but quite pissed off. Well as soon as I picked him up, it was like an explosion of excitedness! I stood him on my knee and did nothing but look at him, and he shouted, squealed, and had fits of giggles, over and over, shouting at me in excited tones! Was so funny!! I've never felt quite as appreciated grin.

Other news - O cried for the window down in the car. Please tell me, how the fuck have I managed to read this childs mind. It appears I have done... odd. Most odd.

LuisGarcia Wed 03-Apr-13 23:54:01

Other news - O cried for the window down in the car. Please tell me, how the fuck have I managed to read this childs mind. It appears I have done... odd. Most odd

J is unbelievable at this. I've mentioned before he has no words, (but he has yes and no now). Even so, there is a certain phrase that adults use to us around him, almost word for word the same every time. "No, he does talk, he said something to me a few minutes ago. I can't remember what it was, but he said something".

Even when we were there the whole time.

As his grandad says, "If he doesn't talk, how is it I know exactly what he just said?"

LuisGarcia Wed 03-Apr-13 23:54:56

i.e. I think actual words are less necessary than we tend to think, so I totally get the mind reading thing

LuisGarcia Thu 04-Apr-13 00:15:31
LuisGarcia Thu 04-Apr-13 00:33:03

Ok, so... I am thankful for purplepidjin. Chez Garcia screwed up last weeks meet, and we may yet screw up this weeks meet, but we have a target and that is helping.

I am thankful for Chasing. She makes me worry about someone outside my bubble.

I am thankful for Bry. We are not the only ones makatonning, and I would love to talk more.

I fucking am fucking thankful for the fucking detective for the fucking fucking fuckers. They're fucked, btw.

I am thankful for mamapofor reassuring me last night

I am thankful for kirrin I'm not the only one awake all hours.

This list is not complete

Lily311 Thu 04-Apr-13 00:33:54

Second time we are up. It's going to be a long night.

PurplePidjin Thu 04-Apr-13 00:37:45

55% body language, 38% tone of voice, 7% words iirc?

LuisGarcia Thu 04-Apr-13 00:45:42

I am super thankful for the next poster, she's awesome too.

LuisGarcia Thu 04-Apr-13 00:56:32

I don't know why I put the word super in there. What I meant was ahfuckitpleasecanIsleepsoon?

ChasingDaisy Thu 04-Apr-13 01:07:13

First night feed. Over 5 hours. Thankful for this.

ChasingDaisy Thu 04-Apr-13 01:20:41

Aww Luis thanks for worrying about me blush And all of you who have supported me, thank you very much. The support from this quiche has given me a lot of strength. I am currently planning my exit strategy, just researching my options and my rights etc.

Luis as much as I love seeing you here at night, I hope you manage to get some decent sleep soon.

Pig I hope you are sleeping.

fellow insomnia sufferers I hope you have managed to nod off too.

GT Hope you're not feeling too sick.

ChasingDaisy Thu 04-Apr-13 01:25:41

I may need to call on further quiche help to remind me that, yes he may be being charm personified at the moment, but he is a cunting bastard and this is always how he reacts after an 'incident'. He always says it won't happen again and it always does. And it is always worse. There isn't much further he can push it before I get seriously hurt.

I may need reminding of this when if I weaken.

Izzybuzzybuzzybees Thu 04-Apr-13 01:38:11

I'm onto onti my 3rd wake up in 2.5 hrs!! Go to sleep James and stay asleep mummy's tired!

LuisGarcia Thu 04-Apr-13 02:23:36

Chasing It's late so forgive me if this comes out wrong, but being slimy after being violent is not being "charm personified". It's being "a shitbucket".

Bryzoan Thu 04-Apr-13 02:37:29

Chasing. He is a cunting bastard. Get the hell out of there before you or o get seriously hurt. Charm or no charm you really will be better off without him.

Luis - I also find it really nice to have come across another family using makaton. Makes it feel that bit more nomal smile. it would be lovely to talk more. Really great that J has yes and no now. Dd has started making lots more word attempts and staring at me so intently willing me to understand them. I feel so mean when I can't but delighted she is trying. Her makaton vocab is really coming along now. I've just bought the topic books to keep up and it really feels like the world is opening up a little. I love it that she now starts makaton conversations with me.

I am hugely grateful for the quiche who remind me constantly that we've all got different challenges and all any of us can do is muddle on through, and that sometimes that works better than others. And that while it is great t