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November 2012 - We're ready for Spring... any time now please!

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StuntNun Tue 26-Mar-13 13:40:05
Izzybuzzybuzzybees Tue 26-Mar-13 13:44:48

Ooh New thread already!

PurplePidjin Tue 26-Mar-13 13:55:56


R is sparko on me. Do i attempt transfer and go snuggle up to dp?

ValiumQueen Tue 26-Mar-13 14:19:55

Not yawning today smile

itsnotyouitsMeals Tue 26-Mar-13 14:33:23

Yello! Brrrrrr it's cold. Mx

PetiteRaleuse Tue 26-Mar-13 14:42:10

Yes winter can fuck right off now.

itsnotyouitsMeals Tue 26-Mar-13 14:50:08

Normally I like winter (strange) but it can fuck off to the far side of fuck RIGHT NOW! Sorry. I know it's not sweary Wednesday.

PetiteRaleuse Tue 26-Mar-13 14:55:34

Me too winter is usually my favourite season but not this year

Pikz Tue 26-Mar-13 15:28:27

Thank fuck for naps... I feel slightly human

ChasingDaisy Tue 26-Mar-13 16:06:15

I usually hate summer but I cannot wait for it this year.

ChasingDaisy Tue 26-Mar-13 16:06:15

I usually hate summer but I cannot wait for it this year.

ChasingDaisy Tue 26-Mar-13 16:06:39

Oops. That's how much I can't wait.

itsnotyouitsMeals Tue 26-Mar-13 16:07:55

Nope. Too long, too much illness, though not as much as you pr. flowers

BigPigLittlePig Tue 26-Mar-13 16:10:53

At least with the long winter F has grown into her fleecy hat and mittens. Silver lining??

ChasingDaisy Tue 26-Mar-13 16:17:56

Ahh yes I have got a lot of wear out of his cute winter hat. In fact I'll post a pic on fb.

ChunkyEasterChick Tue 26-Mar-13 17:09:37

<trundles in, looking weary>

<drops vom-soaked muslin to mark spot>

<trundles off to get changed out of vomity clothes>

PetiteRaleuse Tue 26-Mar-13 17:10:35

Next winter will be super healthy not going to let the girls leave the house

itsnotyouitsMeals Tue 26-Mar-13 17:11:00

I has grown out of her 0-6 month star blanket (from my stalking lurking days) and I don't want to buy another on, but...

itsnotyouitsMeals Tue 26-Mar-13 17:12:57

Vomtastic here too chunky. Hugs.

jakecat Tue 26-Mar-13 17:31:10

Please be a bit warmer soon. Doesn't have to be hot just not mind numbing freezingness...although the (few)times N has seen sun in he 19 weeks she has blinked & squinted at it in confusion then anger!

Sophiathesnowfairy Tue 26-Mar-13 19:33:20

I Am giving up on the other thread and have more hope for this one. Norn Iron is fucking freezing. In articulate our new how is fucking freezing because there are two massive holes where chimney breasts should be.

Olly is streaming with cold so he spent a good proportion of this morning in the bathroom while people showered. He is loving his weaning and opening his mouth like a little bird for the spoon. His poos are slightly less watery as well.

ChunkyEasterChick Tue 26-Mar-13 19:42:47

Thanks meals. He seemed to be better in the last couple of weeks but all of a sudden, its back to Niagara-like voms. He doesn't seem in pain, & its sometimes just profuse posseting, but others its stinky, cheesey curdled reflux-y vom. Are you BFing? I can't work out the triggers...

Limpit80 Tue 26-Mar-13 19:56:12

Yes come on Spring! Dont leave us hanging! F hates snowsuit, so I usually resort to layers, but he's growing out of everything! And I dont really want to why more winter stuff.
He really enjoyed sitting in the pushchair today, so think that may be the way forward.

Limpit80 Tue 26-Mar-13 19:57:39

Buy more winter stuff hmm

MadamGazelleIsMyMum Tue 26-Mar-13 20:05:03

Spring - yes please. Fucked up routine thanks to clock changes next weekend - no, ta.

itsnotyouitsMeals Tue 26-Mar-13 20:15:45

chunky yes bf. have cut dairy now losing soya too but not sure tbh if it's working. Am a non meat eater so will miss tofu sad. Have got ranitidine which helps a bit as the vomming we can cope with but not the pain. Have a paed referral from lovely doctor too. What about you? X

BigPigLittlePig Tue 26-Mar-13 20:27:29

meals and chunky - this may be granny/eggs but the worst things for us when F was refluxey, and which I still have to largely avoid, are chocolate, tea, coffee, fizzy drinks (caffeine in general). All the fun things then.

itsnotyouitsMeals Tue 26-Mar-13 21:33:29

Not at all bplp any suggestions welcomed. . Don't have fizzy drinks except non alcoholic beer and have quit dairy (though bourbons are ok!) but coffee I haven't. So maybe that too sad

kirrinIsland Tue 26-Mar-13 22:40:19

Marking place

Elizadoesdolittle Tue 26-Mar-13 22:51:08

Another one hating this fucking freezing shitty arseing weather. I love going out and about but this weather just makes it impossible to be outside.

Catbag Wed 27-Mar-13 00:47:54

eliza I agree. Been outside for a walk once with the babies in the last week. I'm climbing the fucking walls.

Fucking 'sailing by' is on. It always makes me want to weep cos it means I am not asleep. Was like that all through my pregnancy too.


itsnotyouitsMeals Wed 27-Mar-13 00:53:47

Oh but I love the shipping forecast. Read a great book about it once. Then met the author and embarrassed myself by gushing about it.

Sorry you're not asleep cat. Hope you get some zeds soon.

Catbag Wed 27-Mar-13 01:03:48

I like the shipping forecast too if I am honest, but there is something just so fucking resolutely happy about sailing by that it makes me want to put my eyes out. There was a time where I wouldn't consider going to sleep for hours yet, and if I was on a night out I wouldn't sleep at all. Now I guard my sleep like an angry doberman. Or a weepy laborador, I guess.

Catbag Wed 27-Mar-13 01:12:50

Catbag the weepy fucking laborador hmm

TheDetective Wed 27-Mar-13 02:16:54

I nearly woke O up chuckling at that image cat!!!

Fuck. Glad I went to bed just after 10. O awake at 12 something. I think. I can't remember. Phone chucked in cot.

He woke again at 1.50 tried white noise and he seemed to be going but then started wailing again so I ramped up the white noise and added SHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH over and fucking over from me. He would start to drift off, but then wake. So I sent DP for a bottle punishment! and he took 3 fucking ounces. Fuckflaps.

The whining he did... For 3oz? I'm shattered already and the day has not yet begun! He'll be awake again in a few minutes hours.

Transfer attempt....

Izzybuzzybuzzybees Wed 27-Mar-13 02:44:16

We are up feeding. Nowhere near as bad as I was expecting.

Sorry to see others have found themselves around too sad

I especially hope cat or shall we call you dog is asleep!

Izzybuzzybuzzybees Wed 27-Mar-13 03:01:25

Seems likr everyone else is having a good night tucked up in bed. lucky things

Or else everyone who is up is too tired to post. If that's the case hello!

StuntNun Wed 27-Mar-13 03:08:51

I'm here Izzy on the second feed of the night. Too tired to think of anything to day.

YellowWellies Wed 27-Mar-13 03:09:53

Yawn well it seems three o'clock is the new five am. Meh. Glad I went to bed early. envy

Det maybe he was just thirsty rather than hungry? When my mouth is dry in the night sometimes all I need is a wee sip of water to stop my mouth feeling like a cat litter tray grin

Izzybuzzybuzzybees Wed 27-Mar-13 03:12:52

Were still here and still feeding!! I knew this would happen as he took so little during the day! Not sure how I can make him take more though. You can put a baby to boob but can't make him feed!

Hello stunt and yw nice to see its not just me up!

rowingdowntheriver Wed 27-Mar-13 03:20:31

Morning! Have not been on for ages as am usually too tired to mumsnet! Had been getting frustrated at LO's sleep but can see that he is not the only one waking at 3am! Infact 3 is ok - it is usually 2.30, 4.30 then 6.30. Gah, I'd have hoped he'd be sleeping better now he's 5 months!

Izzybuzzybuzzybees Wed 27-Mar-13 03:23:49

Hello rowing you are most definitely not alone. We are STILL FUCKING here!! It is sweary wed right?? J still feeding. Has been since 2.40am. I am cold and tired and can hear DH snoring which is remindibg me with every breath that he is asleep and I am not!!

ChasingDaisy Wed 27-Mar-13 03:25:27

Here too. O has been flapping around his cot since 2am. I went to bed at 8:30 and have managed a grand total of 3 hours sleep. Fucking meds induced insomnia angry

Izzybuzzybuzzybees Wed 27-Mar-13 03:28:15

Oh dear chasing that's not good. Especially if you managed bed early sad I have no tips on getting to sleep I'm afraid.

ChasingDaisy Wed 27-Mar-13 03:28:38

Impressive thread stealing Luis

ChasingDaisy Wed 27-Mar-13 03:31:39

Thanks izzy, its just the side effects of the antidepressants. Should hopefully only last a couple of weeks hmm Not sure how many nights of it I can take.

Sorry to see you up at this time. I think 3am is supposed to be the time that humans are at their most vulnerable.

MaMaPo Wed 27-Mar-13 03:33:48

Signing in. C did dream feed at 10.30 then woke her (and me) up with poosplosion at midnight. Proceeded to machine-gun poo all over me during the change. FFS. Awake again now but I think I've dummied her to sleep again.

Fuck it she slept through twice last weekend!

Izzybuzzybuzzybees Wed 27-Mar-13 03:35:41

I had bad PND after my dd and was on citalopram then but I had post partum psychosis so was on anti psychotics too which were heavily sedative so I never had trouble sleeping. Lack of sleep is torture and even more so if you know you could be sleeping and just can't. I hope it settles for you quickly.

In other news j has stopped feeding. Only cos I moved a bit I think!!

Izzybuzzybuzzybees Wed 27-Mar-13 03:41:18

Fuck!!! He's not asleep. He's in cot awake ans grumpy and I'm cross legged on the floor with my arm through cot bars holding his hand!!

ChasingDaisy Wed 27-Mar-13 03:42:53

Im on fluoxetine which is in the same family of antidepressants I believe.

Gosh, you had a rough time of it with your DD1 sad. My mum has psychosis so it was always a worry of mine.

Gah, failed transfer attempt. This never happens, what is up with him?

ChasingDaisy Wed 27-Mar-13 03:44:11

Hand holding here too. Really wanted to be well rested for tomorrow as SS are paying their visit.

Izzybuzzybuzzybees Wed 27-Mar-13 03:48:02

Yeah it wasn't pleasant and completely out of the blue. I was very unlucky, it happens to 0.1% of new mums. We were brave or stupid to have another!!

We never have failed transfers either but in still hand holding which is keeping him quiet. Just need him to drop back off now. Ewan is beating away, I'm freezing and DH is still oblivious! In fact Ewans battery appears fucked....great! I bought new ones today but you need q fecking screwdriver to replace them and I am not going downstairs looking for one at this time!!! Argh!!!!

Izzybuzzybuzzybees Wed 27-Mar-13 03:49:02

Try not to worry about SS. Just be honest. They ate there to look after you and baby first and foremost.

Izzybuzzybuzzybees Wed 27-Mar-13 03:53:22

I've made it back to bed. DD will be up in 3hrs. DS better not be up a minute before her!!

Lily311 Wed 27-Mar-13 03:57:29

Signing in, O is asleep but I'm not. Grrrr

kirrinIsland Wed 27-Mar-13 04:20:16

Second feed of the night here and I'm in serious need of matchsticks.
Hopefully it's a quick one.

Hope you're all back in bed and sorry to those having trouble sleeping themselves sad

Kyzordz Wed 27-Mar-13 04:33:42

I'm here, E is awake, but quiet. I know he's awake as he keeps twatting his cot mobile. I figured if I'm as quiet as a dead pissing mouse he'll not know I'm awake so might just go back asleep! Sending sleepydust to the awake people/babies!

So glad it's sweary bastarding weds!

StuntNun Wed 27-Mar-13 04:35:43

Fourth feed here hmm I missed the dream feed because J has been very sicky today. Izzy will your J latch in at all in the day? Can you hand express just enough so there is a little milk on the nipple to entice him in, then use a breast compression to stimulate his sucking. Breast massage beforehand would help you to letdown quickly which might help with daytime feeds.

MaMaPo Wed 27-Mar-13 04:39:00

If my husband doesn't stop snoring then god help me...

ValiumQueen Wed 27-Mar-13 04:47:08

4 hours this time. Would have been longer as he self settled but I did not realise until I had got in his room. Twat!

Been awake though as DD2 is unwell. She was off her food yesterday which is always a sign. Sounds like a croupy cough. Great. Fucking cole weather.

ValiumQueen Wed 27-Mar-13 05:14:20

He is wide awake after a nappy change as it was sodden. Muppet mummy puts him down to self settle and forgets to put the fucking angel monitor on. Twat. Cue disturbing him again.

Hope everyone else is asleep. The girls will be up very soon.

luis nice thread stealing btw.

PurplePidjin Wed 27-Mar-13 05:34:37

Daisies they may very well be coming to assess your ability to protect yourselves from twatweasel. Hopefully your having to let him in will prioritise you on the housing list. What time of day do you take your tabs? I found morning minimised the insomnia, just make sure you have a bit of toast first, they're unpleasant on an empty stomach.

Please please please let this be the third feed of the night and not breakfast!!!

Sophiathesnowfairy Wed 27-Mar-13 06:42:37

I love the shipping forecast, is like a comfort blanket. confused have funny desire to have a dog and name it after a shipping area.

Northern Ireland gets colder.

Boys are managing great though like some of you said I think we could all do with some time outside. We spent an hour up at the house yesterday with the kitchen woman and honestly it was unbearable, the wind.

Today is picking the cooker, fridge etc and choosing wet walls for the bathrooms. I won't be back now till we move in as I go back to work in two weeks. Eek. So need to make sure most of the vital stuff is ordered.

In other news. Today I am 40. shock this is the first time ever it has snowed on my birthday. Other than looking at white goods ( there is a theme here as or my 30th my mum got me a washing machine (upon request) what will my 50th bring i wonder? grin ) I don't know what I am doing, but I am just happy to be with the husband.

Sophiathesnowfairy Wed 27-Mar-13 06:44:15

chasing yes, what everyone else says. See them as your aly not your enemy they could really help you out. Will be thinking of you. thanks

Catbag Wed 27-Mar-13 06:53:03

Happy Birthday sophia! thanks

PetiteRaleuse Wed 27-Mar-13 06:57:55

Happy birthday sophia and happy sweary fucking Wednesday to the rest of you fuckers.

I swear I will restart the dream feed tonight in an attempt to stop this new waking for a quick feed at three habit. Have to crack it before DH realises he is getting up far more often than I am.

In other news I can't find the remotes for either French or English TV. Stuck on Bbc Breakfast at the mo which is fine but need to find it before Heir Hunters comes on.. Yes, I am going to depend on daytime TV for my sanity today.

MadamGazelleIsMyMum Wed 27-Mar-13 07:12:21

Morning fuckers! Was going to do a training walk on Dartmoor today but the snow may mean that's not possible. May have to be South Devon coastal paths.

PetiteRaleuse Wed 27-Mar-13 07:14:05

envy gazelle

StuntNun Wed 27-Mar-13 07:19:38

Love that idea Sophia, you could have a few dogs... Come here Bailey, sit FitzRoy, Viking fetch. Happy birthday - will there be cake?

Chasing one thing my mum said was when assessing a baby's welfare they often pay disproportionate attention to whether they have received all their immunisations. So don't be surprised if you're asked about this.

Pikz Wed 27-Mar-13 07:20:32

Happy birthday Sophia xx

Morning cocksuckers!

I think he heard my crying yesterday and did 8-4-6.30 I'm in bed as DP got up with him as I think he realised I am at end of tether and as I have done every flicking night feed ever he needs to start helping.

Sorry to hear of insomnia and crap nights. They will all sleep through soon won't they!

YellowWellies Wed 27-Mar-13 07:36:15

Fucking whoop whoop fanny-wearers! 8.30-3.30 then 4-7.30 and am even going to see if I can get a cheeky extra half hour after this feed - given it was DH's alarm what woke him.

Another shipping forecast (and R4 generally) fan here - North Utsera the dog - I love it! smile

Catbag Wed 27-Mar-13 07:45:01

Weirdly, despite having listened to the shipping forecast for YEARS, the only places I can ever remember are South Itsera and North Itsera. I'd have to name my dog one of these otherwise I'd forget its name hmm Which reminds me, DH won't let me have a dog <<sad, dogless emoticon>>

Catbag Wed 27-Mar-13 07:48:38

And you can tell how half-asleep I was last night; I did not notice luis the thread robber extraordinaire pulling the rug/ thread out from beneath me. Had to go back and check this morning!

Catbag Wed 27-Mar-13 07:51:42

Ha! Fastnet, Lundy, Irish Sea. Can also name my non-existent dog one of those too...

Sophiathesnowfairy Wed 27-Mar-13 07:57:01

There is always cake in Annalong stunt!

ChasingDaisy Wed 27-Mar-13 08:00:13

Thanks stunt - he hasn't had his third set yet. Had to rearrange, so hopefully that won't go against me confused

Kyzordz Wed 27-Mar-13 08:00:22

Happy birthday sophia smile and how fucking lucky are you having a sweary fucking Wednesday bastard birthday!!!

Kyzordz Wed 27-Mar-13 08:01:56

I'm sure it won't chasing try not to panic

Sophiathesnowfairy Wed 27-Mar-13 08:17:03

I know ky is fucking twattastic to have sweary Wednesday as my fucking fortieth birthday day.

Pikz Wed 27-Mar-13 08:24:22

Ha Kyz Sophia is very lucky it's today! I feel like a different person after some sleep!

PetiteRaleuse Wed 27-Mar-13 08:38:50

chasing you are in a position of strength. You have done everything right. Your child is well cared for, and you have been and got help when you have needed it. You called the police when your partner assaulted you, and you went to the GP when you were concerned about your mental health. This will all go in your favour. If you approcah this visit in a 'how can they help me' positive way maybe they will be able to point you in the right direction of lots more help, and support. Your rights vis a vis your twat of a partner for example. smile

It will be fine, try and relax

kirrinIsland Wed 27-Mar-13 08:39:06

Happy birthday Sophia thanks

pikz that sounds like a pretty good night, and glad to hear DP has stepped up a bit. And well done to J as well YW

N went down at 22.30 and woke at 1 and 4ish. Up for the day now which is pretty bloody good really. I can cope with that luckily, as DD1 did that til she was 13 months Just been treated to a nice big cheesy grin as well, which always helps smile

It would seem that sleeping is dangerous though. A couple of days ago I woke with a really stiff neck, which is still twinging now. This morning it's my shoulder and down my side that's sore. How pathetic is that?!

And after a vet visit yesterday, it has been confirmed that my poor lame horse has a hairline fracture shock She'll be ok, it'll heal itself in time, but I was not expecting that.

PetiteRaleuse Wed 27-Mar-13 08:39:24

Soph you can have double swearing allocation today grin

ChunkyEasterChick Wed 27-Mar-13 08:44:34

Happy fucking 40th birthday Sophia

Busy morning, people over later, so won't even pretend I've read more than this page...

I had a FULL fucking NIGHT'S SLEEP. He had a dream feed at 11.45 later than it should have been, thank you cocking 4 pictures, 1 word game and then slept until gone 7.15. Wft??!!! First time in about 2 wankbadgering months.

Not sure whether it was the 3rd night of dream feeds, the amber teething anklet or the shag (DH & I obviously - maybe he was too blush to wake me up for a feed after that?). Shan't be changing anything tonight though except the shag, DH isn't that lucky grin

Anyway, hope other babies slept just as well. Have a twatting good day all!!

MissMummy1 Wed 27-Mar-13 08:48:00

HAPPY BIRTHDAY SOPHIA!!!grin grin grin Can I justify buying and eating cake today because it's your birthday?! wink

M is getting worse. She would do 4/5 hours in with me. Last night was 11-1 then up at 2, 3.30 (not going down again till 5) 6.30 and now. Little bugger. Didnt help tbat the 3.30 wakening was caused by wine drunk twunt stumbling up the stairs angry

I managed to pick my car up last night. Whole thing has been a fucking nightmare (it is sweary wednesday, right?). The guy gave me the wrong account number so £1000 of my money is sitting somewhere in the system. My bank have said assuming the number he gave me isnt a real account I will get it back sometime in the next 3 weeks!? Because it was his fuck up I managed to convince him to let me take it and pay the rest in cash (cue terrifying walk from bank to hire car to his house!) and take the damned thing last night. DP drove it home (before celebrating my success with wine...) and I followed him because he had my satnav. Did the arse not drive off at a rate of knots leaving me totally lost?! A 30min drive became almost 2 hours. Twat. Stupid fucking twat. and I am a twat too for trying to go the motorway way home and not the twisty back road way that I knew

fruitpastilles Wed 27-Mar-13 08:52:09

Not a chance of catching up!
Happy birthday sophia
chasing hope today goes well with SS you will be fine hoping it is today and I haven't got it totally wrong
Well it looks like we are out of the sleep regression, I fucking hope so anyway, I haven't slept for a week, last night S went down at 7, woke at 11:30 and then 4 for her dummy and then up for the day at 6:30 so fc that's it now!
Hope everyone has a fantastic sweary fucking Wednesday!

MissMummy1 Wed 27-Mar-13 08:53:12

Good luck today chasing - I can only second what everyone has said re SS but in a case of reported DV it is fairly standard. Just show them what an amazing mummy you are and you'll be fine smile

Tilly has her skin review with our dermatologist this morning. There is a lot of snow (okay not half as much as the rest of the country but enough to make me chicken out of driving the new car there sad )

Sophiathesnowfairy Wed 27-Mar-13 09:03:37

mmyes! You can all have a cake allocation today as it is such a fucking important birthday.

Glad to hear you have your new car, pants about the journey home and the money in the great I cloud ether.

chunky what is a teething anklet?

Thanks for the birthday wishes everyone. grin

ChasingDaisy Wed 27-Mar-13 09:04:11

Happy fucking birthday Sophia! thanks

Pikz I am so glad you got some sleep smile

O is currently having his first nap of the day. Not on me! 8 minutes and counting so far. He usually has 30mins, I will be happy with 15.

ChunkyEasterChick Wed 27-Mar-13 09:13:45

Sophia its a tiny little anklet made for babies out of Baltic Amber gemstones which apparently have "pain relieving properties". I don't buy into the mystical shite but anecdotally I've heard good things. www.babyteethingnecklace.co.uk I think... I bought through amazon.

PennieLane Wed 27-Mar-13 09:15:29

Happy birthday Sophia

I'm totally over winter and would like spring to arrive now please. I'm really struggling with the cold. We haven't had a back wall on our flat for the last 6 weeks and its being replaced with a giant window which, for various reasons, hasn't arrived. It's due to be completed April 7. I bet the sun will return on the 8th!

Jake DD is the same with the sun! Makes me sad.

She has also ramped up the volume and sounds, (mainly a sort of extremely loud OWL sound repeated over and over) another reason why sitting in parks would be much nicer!

PennieLane Wed 27-Mar-13 09:16:30

chunky lots of people have recommended that to me-let us know what you think!

ChunkyEasterChick Wed 27-Mar-13 09:19:56

I'd go mental at my DH if he'd done that to me MM. Was Tilly with you? And then he started drinking before you got home, so if you needed help, you'd have been out of luck? Cunting bastard.

MadamGazelleIsMyMum Wed 27-Mar-13 09:25:22

Happy birthday sophia thanks for the cake allocation!

mm sorry, but your DP is a twat. I'd have hung DH by the bollocks if he pulled a stunt like that.

Good luck today chasing.

ChasingDaisy Wed 27-Mar-13 09:36:31

20mins. I'll take that. Well done O.

MissMummy1 Wed 27-Mar-13 09:37:16

In his defence he did wait till I got home. And was slightly worried I wasnt right behind him anymore. He was using my phone as a sat nav. He is still a twat though. Like a big fucking kid he "wanted to see how powerful it was" .

YellowWellies Wed 27-Mar-13 09:39:54

Happy birthday Sophia we got our amber anklet from dino daisy online - they're safer than necklaces and anecdotally work. Meh at least its helping him find his feet smile

Chasing good luck for SS and MM for the dermatologist - and big can of whup ass for your DP - he can't manage good behaviour for long can he?! envy

MsJupiterJones Wed 27-Mar-13 09:41:21

Well apparently having a cute baby gets you through airport security much faster!

Have struggled to keep up lately but will be off for a week so doubtless every time I check in there'll be a new thread. Hope everyone is doing ok. L's sleep has tentatively started to improve so will be interesting to see what effect a change of scene has.

Brockle Wed 27-Mar-13 09:44:44

happy birthday sophia smile

detective I think you need to send your DP out on a picture hunting IKEA mission!

good luck chasing sending you hugs and positive vibes xx

I am fed up of fucking snow angry

in laws are flying in on Friday with the possibility that they may stay with us for a day it two. given that our house is a shoebox, not sure how o am supposed to.fit them in and stay sane

Passmethecrisps Wed 27-Mar-13 09:50:38

MM how gallant of him! I am sure he has wonderful qualities but he does act like a fanny sometimes!

Happy fucking birthday sophia! Eat lots of cake!

Next ikea trip izzy we are going to get you a throw to wear for hand holding duties. I got one for £2. Hopefully buying it will mark the end on the hand holding - that's always what happens to me.

I'm watching heir hunters PR. I love the faux sincerity everyone adopts . . . "Yeah. I know I have received a windfall of several thousands of pounds but I am just sad that I didn't meet my seventh cousin Albert and that he died alone. I would have gone to visit him all the time"

I have fond memories of the shipping forecast and of the continuity announcer who is on at that time of night. The one who caused furore because he has a sort of transatlantic accent. I would imagine if I was listening to it every night months on I would be less fond.

Passmethecrisps Wed 27-Mar-13 09:55:21

Oh chasing I meant to say, I have attended meetings where the lack I immunisations was raised as a cause for concern but this was only as an example of a number of issues which built a picture of lack of care. Not having them yet or making an informed decision not to have them is not going to cause any concern. You are a tough cookie - much tougher than you know - SS will be able to offer you support in lots of ways. I am sure whoever comes to see you will be delighted to be able to support someone who is positive and engaged.

Passmethecrisps Wed 27-Mar-13 10:03:57

I have finally relented and made a Doc appointment for my broken fanjo. It now hurts all the time. It feels like I have been kicked between the legs. I am sitting watching telly and it hurts. I also have a sort of ache like period pain but I don't have my period. I am massively fucked off with myself for leaving it so long as now I am a bit worried and it is getting me down a bit. I was telling Dh last night that I just want to cup my groin and bend over - does that make sense? It is like the achey weight from a period. I can't see the doc until next Friday. Well, if I was less of a child I could see one this week but it would be a bloke and I am being all immature about that. Meh

ChasingDaisy Wed 27-Mar-13 10:05:55

I watched Heir Hunters too - was thinking of PR and wondering whether she had managed to find her remote.

YellowWellies Wed 27-Mar-13 10:08:03

pass I'd only want to see a lady doc too - despite wandering round the labour suite butt naked yowling regardless of male staff blush now I'm more blush blush blush blush blush

Clarella Wed 27-Mar-13 10:08:57


I missed a day.

bloody every two hours! or less! if it wasn't as
a stuffy nose it was tummy issues others just plain squirmy.

new Fred resolution - naps in cot from now on (if I can bloody get him to nap again!)

this had better be sleep regression [cross]

Another fred already?! Missed the last one completely!

15lb 8oz today at weigh in, he's between the 25th and 50th centile. HV said back to GP because although weight is great he's not really ever completely got over the bronchiolitus in Dec.

Clarella Wed 27-Mar-13 10:13:31

happy birthday sophia!

I love r4 and used to listen late night till Dh nicked the radio to his side angry

is it sweary Wednesday?

Clarella Wed 27-Mar-13 10:14:54

prediction of middle of night Dh obsession re possible cannabis farm next door correct. angry

MissMummy1 Wed 27-Mar-13 10:33:56

Appointment is in half an hour. A 20 min drive away. M has decided to settle down for a feedathon and both cars are covered in snow - DESPITE me telling him last night to make sure one of them was parked under the house. We will be late, won't we? confused

PetiteRaleuse Wed 27-Mar-13 10:40:03

I did find my remotes though I had to email my DH to gind out where they were. Hdden in the cupboard in the bathroom. Of course hmm

And they were put back there a ittle later on when I had my shower.

And again when I turned my back to cook DD1's lunch. Today's fixation seems to be putting the remote in the bathroom cupboards. And why not I ask you?

ValiumQueen Wed 27-Mar-13 10:44:05

sophia happy birthday.

mm how did he lose you? What a twat. I would go ape if DH did that. He needs to fucking grow up. At least you can blame your lateness on the snow. They may be running late anyway and have a few missed appointments so try not to worry. Better to be late and safe.

pass well done for having the courage to get an appointment. I felt like that after having DD2 - odd as she was a section. It resolved on its own, but best get it checked. DH offered to 'prop it up' and it did actually help, believe it or not.

ValiumQueen Wed 27-Mar-13 10:45:09

pr better the cupboard than the sink or toilet. We have lost a couple of remotes that way.

ChasingDaisy Wed 27-Mar-13 10:46:35

Down for his second nap of the day shock 15mins and counting. Aiming for 30mins this time. Will let him have his big sleep on me later though as its important that he gets this long sleep, otherwise he gets very cranky. Am happy with his progress today, thank you ValiumPrince and littlepig for the inspiration.

Sophiathesnowfairy Wed 27-Mar-13 11:04:34

mm what car did you get in the end? I must have missed it when I lost it on the other thread.

pass that is a wait for a broken fanjo appointment but I bet you feel relieved to at least have it there.

kirrinIsland Wed 27-Mar-13 11:19:04

Ooh chasing O is doing well with his naps. What does it feel like to have 2 hands free?! Good luck for later xx

PR now when we lose things we have standard places to look. Pre-DD1 it was in coat pockets, kitchen work top etc. Now it's in the oven, vase by the front door and in her shoes?! We once had the house upside down looking for DP's phone and found it in the washing machine shock. She also took 2 keys for the cupboard locks. We tracked one down to the fridge, we have never found the other.

Hope the appointment goes well MM and that you're not late.

YW I pm'd you - never done it before - did it work?!

DD1 is asleep. n is napping on me and I have a million things I need to do which, yet again, won't get done. Hey ho, they're only little once.

TooManyDicksOnTheDancefloor Wed 27-Mar-13 11:23:53

Morning all! Good luck today chasing, you'll be great. mm, how did you not kill him, I'd have been so angry. Well done for making the appointment pass. Have you made your appointment yet VQ? Happy birthday, was it sophia? Can't remember and can't look back on iPad.

All good here, although B is still doing about 8 poos a day, so fed-up of changing nappies! We're having a day in today, we were out all day for the last two days. I seem to have found myself a group of friends who constantly organise activities, I never had this when dd1 was a baby.

ValiumQueen Wed 27-Mar-13 11:43:24

dicks thank you, yes, I made the appointment. Three fucking weeks. It is not too bad at the moment. If it gets worse, I will make an emergency appointment.

Elizadoesdolittle Wed 27-Mar-13 11:45:57

Morning all. There is sun in the sky here, actually been out in the fresh air and whilst by no means warm I didn't freeze my arse off!

Well E has gone from 11lbs 4 to 12lbs 2 in a week. So another huge weight gain so very pleased with that. She had a bad night last night though. Think she was suffering from the jabs. Seems ok this morning though so fingers crossed that's over.

soohia happy birthday, hope you get thoroughly spoilt.

chasing good luck. Thinking of you.

mm hope you made your appointment on time, talking of being late for appointments I was 10 mins late for Ella's jabs. The nurse made a snarky comment. I hate being late so I was cross anyway but I didn't need that. She's normally so friendly, I could have lamped her one. I was in and out so quick that her next appointment wasn't there yet.

StuntNun Wed 27-Mar-13 12:13:31

I had carrot cake. It's not my fault, Sophia told me to do it!

J is being very resistant to GF. He won't feed when he's supposed to, sneaked in an unscheduled nap, and has added extra vomiting and screaming aren't in the schedule.

ValiumQueen Wed 27-Mar-13 12:16:14

I made flapjack in honour of Sophia's birthday.

PetiteRaleuse Wed 27-Mar-13 12:16:36

I am sick of fucking picking up the phone to silent machines that may or may not pass me to some cold caller or may just hang up. Eight in the last two days, the last of which was the only one with a person at the end. I was so fucking rude the poor bloke, and he was promising me it hadn't been his company that had been calling.

Also, madame Brandani, I have received twelve calls for you in the last week you twat. If you have to put fake numbers in web site forms can you fucking well pick another one.

The stress of picking up the phone a zillion times a day and being hung up on or having to speak to some poor cunt who is only doing his or her job but wakes up my babies is driving´me to replace my planned healthy lunch with cookies.

OK, I'm not that stressed, but it is a good excuse to eat cookies for lunch.

And no, I wasn't planning on eating anything healthy.

Healthy three meals a day eating starts next week when DD1 is back home full time and I have to prepare varied food every day.

PetiteRaleuse Wed 27-Mar-13 12:17:28

Ooh forgot. It's sophia's fault I am having cookies for lunch. Phew.

ChasingDaisy Wed 27-Mar-13 12:24:16

Can I blame Sophia for wanting to eat my easter egg now?

ChunkyEasterChick Wed 27-Mar-13 12:33:00

Eliza great weight gain. And have been to Monkey Bizz a couple of times. Pretty good for older children but their charges are a con. Go Bananas at Ash is good but a bit tricky if you've got both DC as under-6s need to be accompanied on the bigger equipment. Larkfield Leisure Center is meant to be good.

Bought cake for Mums coming over this morning but some had to cancel & last one is on a health kick. So not had cake sad

PetiteRaleuse Wed 27-Mar-13 12:36:05

chunky doesn't that mean that you have the whole cake for yourself?

ChunkyEasterChick Wed 27-Mar-13 12:39:24

PR good thinking grin

<contemplates sending DD to bed for a nap early so I can eat undisturbed>

ValiumQueen Wed 27-Mar-13 12:52:11

chunky your DD is nearly 3 is she not? Does she still nap? <<jealous>>

StuntNun Wed 27-Mar-13 12:53:02

Honestly after my earlier failures today I've been doing GF for one day and J is asleep in his cot and has been for the past hour! Not sure he'll make it for the prescribed two hours though as there is a very loud Monopoly game going on downstairs.

Passmethecrisps Wed 27-Mar-13 12:57:24

chunky you need to eat the cake in honour of sophia!

Great weight gain eliza you are both doing sterling work.

P is a grumpy mare today. Don't know why - teething and snotty cold and both prime contenders. She sharted all over me as well. Poo like yellow water. I have her some calpol with a hollow spoon. She was very funny - she likes the taste so wants it but her tongue won't let her keep it in her mouth. I think the same dose went in and out about 5 times. We got there eventually.

I was looking forward to baby and toddler group today but I think we are staying home. She is so sleepy that it would be a nightmare and I don't want her spreading germs/picking up anything. She is sleeping now so I hope she feels better when she wakes up.

PetiteRaleuse Wed 27-Mar-13 13:00:28

Woo, just given the last dose of amoxycillin.

Hopefully the 15 bastarding poos a day will stop now.

Izzybuzzybuzzybees Wed 27-Mar-13 13:02:51

I've had a nightmare feeding James yet again sad

He fed for an hour in middle of the night. Then 2 mins at 7.20am and has only just accepted a 4 minute feed just now!! He is going massive gaps but I can't seem to up his intake at all! Tried expressing a little onto nipple to entice him stunt but makes no difference. I have fast letdown anyways so not sure compressing will help. He'd be drowned! Now if he can go this long during the day he should be able to sleep all night. That's the part that's so depressing!!

Passmethecrisps Wed 27-Mar-13 13:03:04

You must be channeling the essense of GF stunt

I have just eaten two biscuits in your honour sophia

Anyone got any good recommendations for dribble bibs

Passmethecrisps Wed 27-Mar-13 13:05:01

Sorry - the bibs are for drooly drawers P, not fat biscuit-eating me. She is wearing a Skibz which was given to us but it is completely unabsorbant

Elizadoesdolittle Wed 27-Mar-13 13:08:16

Ooo really chunky I thought it was quite cheap. Perhaps that's why DH keeps having a go at me for spending too much money grin mad play was only £2:95 so that was cheap. I've been swimming at larkfield but we didn't do the soft play bit.

Elizadoesdolittle Wed 27-Mar-13 13:10:56

pass we use dribbleons. They've been great, E is a massive drooler and have saved her clothes from getting soaking.

MissMummy1 Wed 27-Mar-13 13:12:34

Her appointment was changed to last week but nobody thought to tell me angry angry angry . Next one is 17th April. Good job it isnt urgent!!

Sophia I bought a Renault Megane estate. Had planned to buy a slightly newer car but got an amazing deal on it so it'll do a turn smile . The keyless doors and start button have me baffled though!

Passmethecrisps Wed 27-Mar-13 13:17:46

My car has a start button mm. You get used to it.

Her royal whiney-ness is awake and greeted me with a smile. What to do, ladies? Do we risk baby and toddlers?

ChunkyEasterChick Wed 27-Mar-13 13:18:47

[www.funkygiraffebibs.co.uk]] I think pass.

VQ yep, 'fraid so. She does 1.5-3hrs afternoons & about 11-12hrs at night. Only time I'm thankful my DH can be a lazy fucker as its clearly genetic...

Eliza think its more than that, plus £1 per adult plus pay for babies over 6mths (unless with paying sibling) at M Bizz. Really resent having to buy food etc esp as its all junk. At least Go Bananas do a healthier sandwich platter for kids & have a bigger choice. Unless you can time the visit for either side of lunch...

Might take cake to in-laws at weekend or serve to other in-laws coming here, & have a cream egg instead. DH bought me 12 he was obviously horny wink

ChunkyEasterChick Wed 27-Mar-13 13:21:46

Link fail there. You get the idea grin

ChunkyEasterChick Wed 27-Mar-13 13:23:01

Go pass you can always leave early...

DP has take velcro screamy DT2 to the doctor, I am home alone with DT1. I have one baby and it is so weird! We had cuddles and I didn't feel guilty for leaving the other one out! I hope he takes his time. Feeling shit today.

ChasingDaisy Wed 27-Mar-13 13:35:35

4 months ago today I had just been induced and had already started contracting...feeling strangely nostalgic about it.

Pikz Wed 27-Mar-13 13:40:54

Pass we have funky giraffes off amazon in bundles and h&m and m& s ones. All very good.

Good luck chasing today

Well done VQ and pass for booking appointments

Stunt kudos to J on naps and to O chasing

Mm I would have shouted at him a lot!

Pr good luck remote hunting

Loving the cake eating in Sophia's honour

Right packing time!

TooManyDicksOnTheDancefloor Wed 27-Mar-13 14:32:31

Another vote for funky giraffe here pass, if you enter the code FGBMAR13 at the checkout you get 15% off purchases over £20.

I have made a batch of white chocolate chop cookies and have eaten them all instead of lunch. You lot are all a bad influence on me wink

StuntNun Wed 27-Mar-13 14:50:04

Does he take a bottle Izzy? Could you offer some EBM around 11 that would be easier to see how much he's taking? I'm trying GF so I tried to feed J at 7 (didn't want it), 11 (took a bit but puked twice, 2:30 (emptied one side and has made a start on the other). Then I'll offer again at 6:30 and he usually has a dream feed at 10:30 p.m. I don't think it will help with night time awakenings but I'm hoping he won't need a big feed in the middle of the night. If I can get rid of the hour-long 2 a.m. feed then I can work on the sleep associations and getting him to fall asleep and stay asleep in his cot over time.

TheDetective Wed 27-Mar-13 15:01:09

Afternoon shitheads! Apologies for the following selfish rant.

I am feeling very guilty for it though. blush

Had a shitty night with O last night, and I've realised every single night waking has me very pissed off. I shouldn't be pissed off, but I am. I am right at the end of my tether with the whole thing now! Especially as I know he slept through, and has been doing good long stretches sometimes. It is so inconsistent though.

Last night he was cranky at 7.30, which is the earliest I have put him down for a good few weeks. He slept til around midnight, but woke for no reason. Only the white noise will send him back off. 1.50 woke, and didn't settle, so fed after snapping at DP to get up and get the bottle for him blush. Then he did go back in the cot, til 5.30. When he woke he was drifting back off, but kept waking. He wasn't hungry, so I put him in bed with me. He woke at 5.36, 5.42, 5.48, 5.54, 6.00, 6.06... basically, every 6 minutes til I snapped at 7.14 and demanded DP take him. blush

I just want 6 hours unbroken sleep. Please. That is all. It doesn't matter what time I go to bed, as he has gone back to waking for no reason. Yes, he is easily settled back in the early part of the night, but fuck me, I am fed up of it!

3 hours seems to be the maximum unbroken sleep I am allowed.

I would like to say, DP was great, he took O, and then went downstairs. But my mummy radar does not turn off. The second he whinges, I hear him and wake. So even DP taking him downstairs does not give me chance for some unbroken sleep. Likewise DP doing the night feeds is utterly pointless. I wake anyway. I find the best help is him getting me the bottles, and taking him downstairs if I am knackered from a particularly bad nap.

The only way I could sleep is if O was not in the house. That sounds awful.

Luckily, for O anyway! He has redeemed himself! DP woke me with a 'he just rolled over, not just once, but several times!'

So, I guess that explains the above shit night, and the grumpiness from yesterday. Developmental leap, yes?

Fingers crossed for improvements now.

Oh, and O is currently in his cot! grin. He fed at 1, and then was grumpy after it. So I swaddled him. He gave me the most gorgeous smile, and snuggled in to my arms. I gave him a quick cuddle, and he was obviously ready to sleep. So he got plonked in the cot, swaddled up, and has remained there since 1.20. This is his long afternoon nap, so I am pretty chuffed that I have not yet had to go to him. Normally his long nap, he wakes a few times, requiring settling back down.

Cot is the way forward! Viva la cot!!!

I have more to post. Think I'll do another post. This one is getting too long! grin blush

BigPigLittlePig Wed 27-Mar-13 15:11:24

Thank fuck for sweary Wednesday - I need to join detective and passes broken fanjo club blush. Haven't dtd for some time, but have been aware of things being sore in the fanjo region - I just thought it was sensitive scar tissue or summat...anyway, went to GU clinic today, as they are better than GPs at fixing fanjos. Turns out there is an abscess with a discharging sinus (sorry, TMI). I've got to go back in a fortnight to see the consultant. Fucking wankbadgering fanjo. Fucksticks.

chasing glad to see O got Fs lessonplan! Hope SS is going well.
detective I feel your pain with the 6 hours. Last night was total gash, and have been up since 4.30 because of dhs snoring, which also kept F awake.
sophia happy birthday, I've just eaten half a packet of malted milks to celebrate.

Erm, had more to say but forgot.

BigPigLittlePig Wed 27-Mar-13 15:14:14

Oh yes, congrats eliza on the weight gain, you must be delighted with how she's doing!

TheDetective Wed 27-Mar-13 15:15:56

Spoke too soon, just had to go up! But still, that is almost 2 hours, so I see that as a victory! White noise on, he seems to be going back to sleep.

I think I need a new baby monitor. We got given one off DP's sister, but it isn't good enough for what I want.

Can anyone recommend one to me? I want a two way one, and one that doesn't need plugging in. Also, maybe thinking of a video one, but not sure.

Chasing SS will be fine, you are a damn good mummy to O, and they will see that. Remember, you did nothing wrong.

I have purchased snacks for the journey tomorrow. I am excited! Looking forward to seeing you and O! Do you want to meet somewhere? Or me come to you? Let me know what is best for you!

I am currently having a stress over how to do a days worth of bottles for tomorrow. I can't make, and bring as the cool bag only keeps cool for around 4 hours. Brockle made suggestions yesterday, but wondering if anyone else has any simple suggestions for it?! You can't get cartons of LF formula twats!. It is times like this I wish I was still breastfeeding! D'oh!

Sophia Happy bastarding birthday you 'ald arsed mothercuntingfucker! grin I too shall scoff some cake in your honor! Although white goods for big birthdays? NO! You need shoes, handbags, expensive technological goods, or whatever TREAT takes your fancy! Tut! wink

Pikz Wed 27-Mar-13 15:23:22

Poo forgot to say congrats eliZa on amazing weight gain!

Detective these small boys are sent to test us!

Izzybuzzybuzzybees Wed 27-Mar-13 15:26:41

stunt he will take a bottle but I'm not sure its worth me giving him one as if he doesn't take it the milk is then wasted sad maybe I'm worrying too much and should just let him feed when he wants. At least when he was doing that he took proper feeds rather than 30second ones!!

TheDetective Wed 27-Mar-13 15:26:59

Pass Hello and welcome to the broken fanjo club! And you too BP It's a lonely fucking place to be! I am hopeful mine is very very fucking slowly getting better. Still can't fucking crouch without pain, hoovering, and heavier housework still hurts. As does bending, lifting anything heavy (hurts lifting O in car seat) stretching. Anything more than just light walking really. It's hard to describe. But yes, aching, and wanting to cup the old fanjo and push it back up is often felt! I often get stabbing pains, or dull aches. Quite a mixture. But then it involves a lot of layers, and inside and outside.

Ignoring the pain aspect, I am most distressed about the outside at the moment. The appearance of the scar is very fucking ugly. I am upset that I am left so scared down there. I wish I could show you a picture. But no. VQ would disown me for such behaviour grin.

I am also distressed about the lack of piss control. It is so random.

4 weeks til due back at work. Fairly certain I won't be back, and will take it month by month, as a week makes fuck all difference.

I am pissed off by not being able to go back. Actually I am angry about it, but it doesn't do me any good, so I won't get in to the reasons I am angry. I am seeing it as a positive that DP won't have sole charge of O for those 3 months he is off I will get more time with O.

ValiumQueen Wed 27-Mar-13 15:28:23

Fucking pissed off. Just been to an event at school. Not allowed to take pram in, nowhere to sit, J threw up over me, and we were expected to do activities. Oh, and the Head said how big J was, and was that normal? I had to leave early as my back hurt so much I wanted to cry. DD1 understood thankfully. Then had to wait 20 mins in the snow. Fuckballs!

BigPigLittlePig Wed 27-Mar-13 15:33:07

I think you win the award for most troublesome fanjo detective! If I ignore mine and plan to never dtd again it would be fine. When the nurse touched the sinus I nearly flew off the bed. She wanted to do a speculum but I told her in no uncertain terms where she could put that speculum - and my fanjo didn't feature. Just curious what's caused it, she thought maybe an infected stitch, but it's nowhere near where I had stitches so doesn't make sense.

LuisGarcia Wed 27-Mar-13 15:40:51

I ...um... ooh a squirrel

ChasingDaisy Wed 27-Mar-13 15:44:38

Detective Would coming to me make it easier feed wise for you? I have bottle making paraphernalia

TheDetective Wed 27-Mar-13 15:45:01

I have a tip - not sure if it will work for anyone else, but since it has for O - here it is.

Last night O was fussing with his bed time feed (tiredness I think?). I started singing a lullaby over and fucking over and he stopped fussing, and took a full 8oz bottle. He has only done this once before. Normally takes 5oz, sometimes 6. Did it again earlier when he was fussing with his 1pm feed. He took an extra ounce.

Also worked when I just clipped his nails.

The song I sing is 'Golden slumbers kiss your eyes, smiles await you when you rise, sleep little baby, don't you cry, and I will sing a lullaby'.

Absolutely mesmorises him! Think that is his favourite one!

Worth sharing any ideas at all I guess!

ChasingDaisy Wed 27-Mar-13 15:45:47

Care to regale us with tales of your troublesome baby making parts Luis ? grin

TheDetective Wed 27-Mar-13 15:46:33

He also likes 'hush little baby'. But I don't know all the words, so make shit up for that!

LuisGarcia Wed 27-Mar-13 15:47:03

I use Black Bird!

LuisGarcia Wed 27-Mar-13 15:48:30

(That was @TheDetective btw not @Chasing blush)

ChasingDaisy Wed 27-Mar-13 15:49:49

Ha grin

ValiumQueen Wed 27-Mar-13 15:50:29

bp possibly a hair ingrowing? Poor you. That sounds horrible thanks

TheDetective Wed 27-Mar-13 15:50:42

VQ I'd of gone ape shit at my mother for that. It's not on. And the comment too. Twats! He's a healthy gorgeous boy!

BP It sounds like it could have maybe been an area inside which tore but did not require stitching? Often there are bits inside which tear, but would be inappropriate to stitch, either through being very small, or very superficial, and to stitch would cause more problems.

TheDetective Wed 27-Mar-13 15:52:20

Chasing and Luis You just made me almost piss my pj's. Bloody fuckers!

Chasing Yes, that would probably be easier? I could make 2 up for the journey and bring the sterilised bottles and powder? Then just make up when getting to yours, and cool?

Fucking complicated TUT!

TheDetective Wed 27-Mar-13 15:53:52

PikzDS1 was harder in some ways, but at least he fed properly!! Gah!

And he slept. He just cried when awake!

Eliza Wow she is catching up fast! Bet she is growing out her clothes at supersonic speed now!

ChasingDaisy Wed 27-Mar-13 15:58:10

Sounds good to me Detective. I do have a steriliser too if you don't get chance to do them. There's a couple of pubs that serve food near me where we could have lunch?

ChunkyEasterChick Wed 27-Mar-13 16:00:35

BPLP ouch! How did you know? Was it just pain when DTD?

I've got excess discharge all the time now. Hoping its just my hormones. Not sure whether to go to GP about it. Won't they think its weird?

<waves to Luis>

DS being a nap-dodger in the afternoons lately hmm

Lily311 Wed 27-Mar-13 16:07:03

Since joining this thread I can't keep up. I could keep up before. Hmmm.

chasing how did it go with ss? Hope you are ok.

detective i sing to O all the time. Sometimes she looks at me and I swear she wishes I shut the fuck up grin. Not a chance.

Went swimming today, hit all time low by getting out of the pool cause she screamed. She always cries when we get to the part to go underwater, she went only once in 7 weeks. Never mind, they asked us to bring googles next time, haha, I don't think I will need it.

Pikz Wed 27-Mar-13 16:15:31

VQ I am appalled at the school and the headmaster. He is a gorgeous healthy boy! Absolutely fuckwits. Massive cuddle.

ChasingDaisy Wed 27-Mar-13 16:16:11

Well SS was a bit crap really. They didn't speak to me on my own and made me tell them what happened. In front of him.
He did most of the talking and I sat there with tears in my eyes hugging O. They will submit a report and then tell us what will happen next. She said it is likely that the case will be closed but if it happens again they would take it very seriously and be concerned for O's safety.

Pikz Wed 27-Mar-13 16:18:48

I am fucking sick of amoxicillin poo!!!

Pikz Wed 27-Mar-13 16:19:37

Chasing that is crap sad I would have asked to see her on own. Did she leave any details?

TheDetective Wed 27-Mar-13 16:21:48

Sounds awesome! Dp will sterilise bottles tonight, so no worries there unless he wants more than 6 feeds!!.

Am uber excited! My friend said she will let me know later today what time is good for her for a coffee! She is having some work done in her house, she thinks the builders will be done mid afternoon!

Have you ever taken O swimming? We could take them? I have been looking at what is on in Northmton. grin Not a lot tomorrow grrr!

TheDetective Wed 27-Mar-13 16:24:04

One hand typing here - chasing, sounds much like what happened to me. No further action unless further incidents. I am not surprised sadly that they did not speak to you alone. sad

ValiumQueen Wed 27-Mar-13 16:25:25

detective has anyone said how long O should be on LF? I am guessing he developed an intolerance after his bug? I am sure I read somewhere that the gut needs 2 months rest on LF. I am back at the HV tomorrow and have put in a request for a repeat px. The two tins they gave me will last until tomorrow lunchtime only. Hopefully they will give me more than 2 tins at a time. The difference in J is amazing, although he has started vomiting quite a bit. It does not bother him though. I will be interested to see if he has gained this week.

The Headmistress is lovely, but she does resemble a lollipop.

ValiumQueen Wed 27-Mar-13 16:28:29

Thank you pikz

chasing contact SS and ask to speak to a senior privately. Go to the office if necessary. I think it is important you have a chance to talk to someone on your own.

ChunkyEasterChick Wed 27-Mar-13 16:29:29

chasing you might not be up for this, but could you look into the social worker's behaviour/check SS policy? I can't believe they treat DV like that as a matter of course... Also, did your P tell the truth?!

detective envy at the rolling. DS seems to have bad nights needing feeding for no reason (except last night obviously) - no developmental leaps. Nothing. He just lays there, kicking like mad, cooing & gurgling, grabbing toys etc. Having said that, he can coordinate his hands to grab things together/swap hands. That's good right?!! desperately hopes for positive feedback to reassure that my DS is more than just a v v cute, noisy, but nevertheless, immobile sausage

ChunkyEasterChick Wed 27-Mar-13 16:33:05

Watching Trials of Life on BBC2. World's longest penis (relative to size), fast producing sperm, hermaphrodite or however you spell both sexes all in one thing - a barnacle. Wtf?? confused

ValiumQueen Wed 27-Mar-13 16:33:47

chunky I too have an immobile sausage. Two if you include the baby. He just lies there kicking and gurgling. He is working on mental capacity at the moment I think. He is quite good with the IPad. Do not worry. They will all get there in the end.

DD2 is very good with the iPad too. Yesterday I caught her trying to adjust the parental controls. Not bad for 2yo. She was showing Gma how to do things yesterday smile

ValiumQueen Wed 27-Mar-13 16:35:15

J is on 98th for height, and 91st for weight. Technically that makes him underweight for his height I reckon grin. I am under tall for my weight.

TheDetective Wed 27-Mar-13 16:35:24

chunky I have extra discharge too. Smells a bit funky confused. Consultant took a swab at clinic 3 weeks ago as she said it was a lot and smelled strong. She thought it was bacterial vaginosis. Swab came back NAD. So just assuming it is either par for the course like the hair loss or the epis bit that hasn't yet healed.

DP said it doesn't smell to him of anything other than a sexy smell lmao! He said I smell like this when I am ovulating to entice him to send the little spermys to my egg!.

MadamGazelleIsMyMum Wed 27-Mar-13 16:37:57

<hobbles onto thread>

Back from 2 hour coastal path walk with so many hills! Very nice to be in fresh air and to walk at a brisk non-toddler pace. Am a bit tired though blush my mum, who came with me, is not tired at all. I really hope the DC sleep well tonight, especially as am doing another KIT day tomorrow which includes a presentation to a client!

chasing agree re follow it up, if you want to.

detective and lily I sing a lot too. DS loves it. Even when I don't know all the words or tune. We also have to do many, many nursery rhymes for DD. She fucking loves "the wheels on the bus". Endless requests for it. I make up a lot of bullshit that happens on the bus. grin

ChasingDaisy Wed 27-Mar-13 16:41:34

Detective I haven't been brave enough to take O swimming yet and I don't have a swimming costume sad. just a bikini and am not brave enough for that four months post-baby!

We could mooch into town? Pub lunch, shops, etc. Short drive from where I live, then back to mine for coffee? Will pm you my address on facebook in a min.

TheDetective Wed 27-Mar-13 16:50:33

VQ No, not been given any info on the Lf at all. No guidance. Muddling along with the help of YW and the rest of the quiche quite frankly!!

My plan was to just stick at it til 5.5 months, then try reintroducing it slowly. I want to do it before weaning. So the two are not mixed up and I do not know what is causing problems.

I am, however, very reluctant to upset the applecart, and may well just stick with it for the duration, and introduce regular milk back at 1 year. I did get told a referral to the dietician had been made. I have not heard anything. I think I will chase that up, and wait for that appt before doing anything.

Might be worth buying a box of infant gaviscon perhaps if he is vomiting more? As long as we don't miss a dose gives 2 days of fucking vomiting otherwise then O is great with it. We missed just one dose on monday, and it is only today the vomiting has stopped. I was sceptical, but it does seem to help a lot for O.

Also the same problem with the height to weight ratio here grin. Damn it!

chunky This is the first leap I have actually recognised put two and two together on the behaviour front!. I didn't think O was that close to rolling, but they just take you by surprise I suppose! I've been secretly worrying that because he is still swaddled his arms lack in power! Unlike his bloody legs which seem to make up for it.

He doesn't swap toys from hand to hand - he holds them for a few moments. Hugging seems to be his preference when it comes to toys really! As opposed to playing with them in his hands! So I suppose they are all learning different skills at different points!

O woke up at 3.15, by 4.15 he was back in the cot, asleep. Lazy oaf. He better fucking sleep tonight!

Madam I too make up a lot of shit for that bus! In fact, we have been known to scream said wheels on bus over crying baby in attempts to drown him out calm him down while I'm driving.

Please, can anyone tell me what they do with crying babies in cars? I feel like I'm the only one who has a Jekyll and Hyde in the car! Sometimes he is happy as larry. Most of the time really. Other times he is just pure pissed off at being in the car seat. What do you do? He doesn't need anything, he just doesn't want to be there. My singing, the music, toys, nothing helps. I can't just stop on the motorway and play with him for 30 minutes til he is happy to go back in the fucking thing?!

capedcrusader25 Wed 27-Mar-13 16:51:41

I am surprised and disappointed they didn't speak to you alone. What do they mean by report exactly? A log of involvement or an initial assessment? How completely shit. It fucking drives me insane, no wonder we social workers get such a bad press. chasing I know it's been suggested before but maybe get in touch with Women's Aid? They really are great and they'll get you any support you want or need. Think of them as your advocate - they'll be there to guide you, sign post, put things in place to help and if ever needed help you out with other services flowers

TheDetective Wed 27-Mar-13 16:52:15

Chasing I have spare costumes millions if you did want to brave it?! I have a spare costume and swim nappy for O too if you wanted to.

If not, lunch, shops and coffee sounds fucking awesome to me!

I had a look at what the childrens centres had on, but it seems thursday afternoons are shit! GRRRR!

TheDetective Wed 27-Mar-13 16:53:39

Mind you, they are size 14 upwards. You are clearly not a 14 upwards.

Scrap that!

ChunkyEasterChick Wed 27-Mar-13 16:54:33

detective that's what I was wondering about. Wasn't sure whether to try one of those bacteria balancing type OTC treatments or just wait & see. If I try the mirena (which I'm not at all sure about after Sophia et al) I'd have to have a swab.

Seriously strange shit on reproduction in the animal kingdom. Sometimes I'm glad I'm human...

ChasingDaisy Wed 27-Mar-13 16:56:32

The childrens centre by me is pretty good, but not on Thursdays! To fit in with all the fanjo talk, I am also due on my period so am thinking no to swimming grin.

If you came to mine first, then we drove to town, could we fit both prams in your car? If not, I can meet you in town, but that would re-introduce the making up bottles issue...grin

TheDetective Wed 27-Mar-13 16:59:07

What pram do you have?! It could be a tight squeeze... we could definitely try!

TheDetective Wed 27-Mar-13 16:59:32

<Offers chasing super sized tampons> LMAO!

LuisGarcia Wed 27-Mar-13 17:01:29

these always worked on J in the car when he was playing up

ChasingDaisy Wed 27-Mar-13 17:02:26

I have a mamas and papas sola, but it is a travel system so will only be the frame as I can attach the car seat to it.

TheDetective Wed 27-Mar-13 17:03:38

The wheels come off IIRC if so should be fine!

<Looks at 3 door clio and shrugs>

ValiumQueen Wed 27-Mar-13 17:03:51

J has a rash above his willie and going down both thighs. The bit that is not in the nappy peels off like sunburn. The entire rash looks like sunburn and has been there for about three weeks, starting on the thigh and gradually working over. The HV reckons it is thrush. I do not. Any thoughts? It does not bother him.

TheDetective Wed 27-Mar-13 17:04:39

Awesome Luis!

chunky I'm just burying head in my arse the sand about it!

ChasingDaisy Wed 27-Mar-13 17:05:17

If not, we can think of plan b when you get here. We can always bus it if needs be.

TheDetective Wed 27-Mar-13 17:07:00

I think it is thrush too VQ... have you tried clotrimazole?

Brockle Wed 27-Mar-13 17:08:28

so glad other people have immobile sausages too smile. Y shows no interest in rolling but loves sitting in his nest. I try to explain he should be focussing on rolling and not sitting but he is not listening to.his mummy. he can turn the page of a book with a little effort but then keeps turning it back. reading the same page of a baby book gets very boring smile

pissed off at SS chasing but glad that you got through it.

with ds1 I had to sing postman pat over and over or recite We're going on a Bear Hunt. With ds2 I recited Each Peach Pear Plum on repeat and that worked. ds3 likes doggy in the window on repeat and each peach pear plum.weird. singing sings or reciting stories repeatedly seems almost hypnotic to babies!

Luis you make me laugh. if you feel the need then please lament about any broken man bits you have grin

Y's tb jab finally oozed today, just as we planned to take him.swimming. angry I have not been immunised against tb so trying to stay clear.

TheDetective Wed 27-Mar-13 17:09:01

O had similar rash from 2 weeks or so, til 6 weeks when I used the thrush cream. I wasn't sure if it was thrush or not. The cream cleared it completely, so I assume it was!

TheDetective Wed 27-Mar-13 17:10:41

I love a bit of pus blush.

DP gets spots on his back and chest and face. He goes mad at me, but I do not care. Sometimes I have to pick them. grin

Brockle Wed 27-Mar-13 17:11:32

Y had that VQ and canestan worked brilliantly. sounds like thrush to me too.

PetiteRaleuse Wed 27-Mar-13 17:14:44

shock at SS not seeing you alone chasing - very important in a DV and EA case angry

No rolling here at almost 23 weeks. She kind of did it once about four weeks ago at the paed's office. DD1 was slow on everything too, and I have to admit I haven't given her masses of opportunity she spends most of her awake time either in my bf cushion or sat up. Only just started putting her in the play pen regularly. The floor is never clean enough for long too hard for the moment. I will put rugs down when she starts crawling but at the moment they are all rolled up out of the way of the animals angry

I fuckin hate my animals sometimes. They are so sodding destructive.

TheDetective Wed 27-Mar-13 17:22:47

Ditto PR. My carpet has a second carpet of dog hair angry. Forever picking dog hair or my hair! out of O's hands, feet, and off his clothes. WAAAAH!

I carry a lint roller in his changing bag.

PurplePidjin Wed 27-Mar-13 17:28:55

Happy birthday Sophia thanks

Fab gain, Eliza thanks

Re bibs, i make my own out of fat quarters and old towels.

Went to see a friend today and her 10yo was off school, he spent 4 hours entertaining R between feeds, i got to eat naice ham in peace grin then we visited great granny, now dp is cooking curry and I'm sewing and ignoring my parrot-baby

Izzybuzzybuzzybees Wed 27-Mar-13 17:45:09

Sorry to hear that you have joined the broken fanjo club too bp. Mines is more fucked than you can imagine. I actually got a date through for surgery ten days ago...that date was today!!!

J still being crap feeding. Managed a whole two mins just now!

I've been surfing the slimming world website and reading all the stuff they gave me. It seems good but I need to totally change the way I eat!

BigPigLittlePig Wed 27-Mar-13 18:05:17

chunky was an aroma that alerted me to all not being well (sorry luis) - I thought it was bacterial vaginosis but swabs ok, like detective. Not sure I would describe the aroma as a sexy one though blush. Must be due to a "graze" (ha fucking ha) or similar. Would be alarmed if there was a hair growing there though!!

chasing sounds like SS was a bit shit. Sorry to hear that.

ValiumQueen Wed 27-Mar-13 18:27:19

Ok, I thought thrush on babies bums was more spot like. Will get some cream tomorrow. Thank you quiche.

I am happy to report my tunnel of love has never felt better. Before DD1 I used to have dreadful pain and aching when DTD due to adhesions from PID caused by a mismanaged miscarriage years ago. When I was pregnant everything got stretched out nicely. Just a wee epi that bleeds in certain positions. If you are still reading luis I am impressed.

BigPigLittlePig Wed 27-Mar-13 18:30:03

vq tunnel of love grin

Poor poor luis, he is indeed a brave man to continue reading!

ChasingDaisy Wed 27-Mar-13 18:54:43

I think my fanjo has come out relatively unscathed, despite episiotomy. It hasn't been ahem, tested, yet though so no idea if it actually still works.

He is doing Oscar's night feeds tonight so I can try and get a decent sleep. Hopefully I will be able to string a coherent sentence together when I meet Detective grin

BigPigLittlePig Wed 27-Mar-13 18:54:57

Have just discovered and had to deal with the most revolting, stinky, offensive puddle of hours old cat vom. I thought of you, pr. Fucking wankbadgery Wednesday.

YellowWellies Wed 27-Mar-13 19:13:07

Hmmm VQ so your old epis site still bleeds on occasion? I was worrying my bits were busted but the only symptoms are that, occasional slackbladderiness and increased clear / white discharge.... maybe I should make my last appointment at the docs before I move practice on this topic blush blush blush blush so I can disappear after smile

Izzybuzzybuzzybees Wed 27-Mar-13 19:17:51

When James had thrush on his bottom is was indeed spot like. They were purply sore looking areas not a generic all over rash.

Marking my place in the hope I can catch up

StuntNun Wed 27-Mar-13 19:29:49

If it's any consolation Luis I have no problems in my erm lady-parts having had two babies through the sunroof as it were.


Catbag Wed 27-Mar-13 19:35:33

stunt grin

TooManyDicksOnTheDancefloor Wed 27-Mar-13 19:42:39

Woo goo, Glastonbury line-up has been announced. So excitedsmilesmilesmilesmilesmilesmilesmilesmile

Catbag Wed 27-Mar-13 19:50:04

Leeds Festival has THE most amazing line-up this year. Nine Inch Nails (my favourite band) are playing and there is nooooo chance of me getting there <<devastated>>

Catbag Wed 27-Mar-13 19:52:05

And System of a Down, Skrillex, Editors, Hadouken... <<sobs>>

TooManyDicksOnTheDancefloor Wed 27-Mar-13 19:52:37

We usually go to Leeds fest for the day, maybe you could do that? Smashing pumpkins are playing Glastonbury, can't wait.

Pikz Wed 27-Mar-13 20:07:36

We usually do IOW definitely not this year!

Right am packed... Ladies and luis what have I forgotten?

Stunt me too... Sunroofs are good for something!

TooManyDicksOnTheDancefloor Wed 27-Mar-13 20:08:52

Yes, I was unscathed this time due to the sunroof entrance. Epi from last time is fully healed though.

TooManyDicksOnTheDancefloor Wed 27-Mar-13 20:09:33


ChasingDaisy Wed 27-Mar-13 20:10:35

Socks? Chargers?

itsnotyouitsMeals Wed 27-Mar-13 20:17:00

Great weight gain Eliza. Have a fun day daisy and det

I is also immobile and huge. 18lbs 3 at 18 weeks. Lucky she's long...! Giggles cutely though smile

Fucking shite night last night. Toddlers eh? 4 am tantrum. Woke DD2. Fffttt.

Sorry to all those with broken lady parts. Oddly mine are better this time despite emergency epis and a baby's head poking out stuck for five minutes while 10 people attempted to get DD out. Mw had both hands in!!! Sorry luis

PennieLane Wed 27-Mar-13 20:17:09

A cold has stolen my lovely happy baby and she does NOT like calpol. Another reason to hate winter. Snuffly baby seems to work a bit though but she hasn't napped at all today-snot everywhere everytime she lies down. Argh.

Cunting winter.

itsnotyouitsMeals Wed 27-Mar-13 20:18:03

Monitor? Make up? Toys?

PennieLane Wed 27-Mar-13 20:20:27

dicks very jealous of Glasto! We go every year (for last 8) but this year DH's best mate decided to have a 3 day wedding in Ireland the same weekend angry we're off to Latitude with MIL instead [shocked] Oh how times have changed.

Sorry to all if you still in lots of pain wine

TooManyDicksOnTheDancefloor Wed 27-Mar-13 20:24:42

We were considering latitude pennie, we've got family who live close to it. I don't normally get to glasto because I'm a teacher although I did go in 2010 but sshh

ValiumQueen Wed 27-Mar-13 20:28:40

Trash Fashion anyone? <<desperately trying to sound hip>>

ValiumQueen Wed 27-Mar-13 20:40:56

<<gives up trying to be hip>>

Pikz Wed 27-Mar-13 20:41:22

VQ you whattie?

Thank you for the packing suggestions... Just found I didn't have any make up!

Evilwater Wed 27-Mar-13 20:42:50

Wow ten pages, I hope everyone is ok. Ill try and read back, and catch up.

Tattoo done, and it's wonderful. Ill try and put a pic on Facebook. n has been wonderful, today. He's had red Barry's and apple for today's food.


ShellyBobbs Wed 27-Mar-13 20:46:24

It is still Wednesday isn't it.


I just need to have a whinge to people who totally understand. My dad had a heart attack today. He's OK, talking and ringing people. I have to leave Tommy every night for about 3.5 - 4 hours, obviously I don't expect him to last that long between feeds, but there is no way I can begin to express all the milk needed so am left with no fucking choice but formula sad . For fucks sake! My poor dad sounded so pathetic on the phone too.

Just reassure me I'm not fucking everything up by giving Tommy 1 fucking bottle at night. sigh.

In other news, Tommy has decided that hourly feeding from 1am is the way forward, 10 nights and counting so far.

Chasing as everyone else has said, really really shit!

Kyzordz Wed 27-Mar-13 20:50:39

Wow that was alot to read!

My fanjo is ok, sorry lots aren't sad I keep getting it tested, just to make sure ;)

Fab weight gain eliza

I am considering seeing if e is ok on normal milk before the weaning thing. He hasn't had any tastes for a bit as he had an upset tummy. Still has actually. He did a wet fart earlier and it smelt of rotting fish. I have given him nothing but his milk for 4 days, and he's still not right. Possetting but literally a dribble. No temp, but whingy but seems to only be when tired. How long do I leave it before I take him doctors? Wasnt sure as essentially he's fine but also I'm really used to shaped shits not sloppy ones!!! And definitely not ones that smell like that shart earlier. Honest to god I haven't smelt anything so bad in my life :/

E randomly, altho he still usually hates it, did TEN minutes on his tummy the other day! He looked like a pro too, dunno where it came from!

pr sorry LO is still ill sad that is really cunting wank!

det I like squeezing spots too, my dp gets the ones across the shoulders. I often tell him it's one of his redeeming features haha

vq doesn't matter if j is a big lad, he is a healthy big lad. I am getting sick of people thinking Eric is behind for his age as they assume he is at least 6 months. Annoying as fuck!

Pikz Wed 27-Mar-13 20:51:40

Shelly first of all big hugs. Glad dad is ok.

You are not fucking tommy up at all. It's the right thing to do if you need to leave him each evening. He will be all kinds if brilliant.

In terms of the sleeping... In VQs new terms... Gina fucking ford him! There is No way you cb carry on with that little sleep.

Kyzordz Wed 27-Mar-13 20:52:48

Sorry shelley cross posted. How awful, your poor dad, I hope he's ok. You won't be hurting tommy, it's one bottle and it will be fine, honestly smile lots of people in our quiche give formula on some level and they and their babies are doing just fine (mine included!)

ShellyBobbs Wed 27-Mar-13 20:59:01

I know, I've just got that guilty breastfeeding mum thing going on. sad I feel better for the whinge though.

Oh I've actually managed to finish knitting a blanket and it's pretty funky if I do say so myself. I'll stick a piccy on fb.

daisychain76 Wed 27-Mar-13 20:59:08

Shelly hope your dad recovers quickly. Formula won‘t do any harm ~ H has had one bottle of it a day ever since the stuff l expressed in nicu ran out and, as you have seen, he is doing well on it. Take care of yourself

ShellyBobbs Wed 27-Mar-13 20:59:30

And thanks smile

BigPigLittlePig Wed 27-Mar-13 21:04:44

Shelley I'd be feeling the same as you, but everyone is right, one bottle will do no harm. And once your dad is out of the woods, you can go back to ebf if that's what you want to do. Alternatively, you may find you love your new-found freedom!

Kyz - and I thought stinky egg farts sharts were bad. Rotting fish sounds much much worse envy <<-- not a jealous face.

F is another baby who used to hate tummy time, choosing to rub her face vigorously on the carpet/play mat/changing mat and then shriek in horror. I tried her the other day and all of a sudden her arms are strong enough, and she can push herself right up. She looks dead chuffed and a bit smug with herself.

I'm being rock and roll tonight and going to bed. These 4.30am starts are a bit of a killer. Good luck everyone - nearly over this 4 month cunt weasley sleep nonsense <crosses fingers in desparation>

itsnotyouitsMeals Wed 27-Mar-13 21:11:17

So sorry about your dad Shelly. Am sure one bottle won't affect supply. But if you don't want to, have you tried a really good pump (I have the medela swing) or fenugreek to up supply for expressing?

Pikz Wed 27-Mar-13 21:13:30

Bplp I'm with you on the early starts and fucking 4 month sleep shit state being over soon!

PetiteRaleuse Wed 27-Mar-13 21:29:02

shelley how scary, but phew thhat he is ok. No, one bottle a day won't harm him. My little darlings' constant illnesses are fuck all to do with ff and everything to do with the bastard fou and rsv epidemics going round.

Talking of which, LO has neeeded paracetamol and has been tugging on her ear again.... Will see how it goes and drag her back to the paed's tomorrow or Friday if she needs any more tomorrow. We're going To need medical care over the long weekend aren't we?

Can I just say: fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck fuckity fuck fuck fuck..

At least I have healthy unsore bits (yay c sections rock) but, OTOH, I am not in the least bit hip.

In fact, I watched the fashion bit on This Morning this morning and thought, ooh that outfit looks nice.

Is this what my life has become? Really?

PetiteRaleuse Wed 27-Mar-13 21:29:41

flu not fou


Passmethecrisps Wed 27-Mar-13 21:33:27

<grabs shelly and gives her a big bear hug>

he will be all kinds of awesome

^what pikz said. Feeling guilty and weird about it is fine. Of course you will. You haven't worked this hard for nothing. But he will be cool and you will be cool and your dad will be cool. flowers

<gives broken fanjo bro style handshake to BP. Welcome to the club. It is exclusive and salubrious. Look at the company you are keeping!

The embarassment thing is weird YW. I remember thinking after having p that I would never be embarrassed about anything physical again. Strangely, I think I am now more squeamish. I think it is because I have had a wee look in the mirror and I know how wrong it looks. I don't want people to see that really. When are you going to make an appointment YW? Needs done, Duder.

TheDetective Wed 27-Mar-13 21:35:42

Shelly Fuck, fuck, and indeed more fuck. Your poor dad, and poor you sad I am glad he is doing well though.

Just a thought - do you need to leave T? Is it to be with your dad in hospital? If so, you could take him with you? I might be barking up the wrong tree here. But if not, a bottle of formula will be fine. You may find when you are not there he won't want to feed anyway can't smell the milk bar, and will wait for you to come back. Has he ever taken a bottle?

Passmethecrisps Wed 27-Mar-13 21:35:52

Hahaha PR! I saw that too. All the outfits were all kinds of awful. You look like you are lovely and trim so would suit skinny jeans. If I were to wear skinny jeans children would need to have their eyes bleached.

Passmethecrisps Wed 27-Mar-13 21:37:06

Oh and fuck off French illness! PR I really hope you don't need anything over the holiday.

Passmethecrisps Wed 27-Mar-13 21:40:03

And shelly if supply is the concern domperidone can be bought from a pharmacist and ups supply.

kyz I am with you on not understanding liquidy shits. P has just started doing poo which looks like green poster paint. It is very weird after months of play doh poo. Hmm. Her poo sounds like something you would find in a play group.

TheDetective Wed 27-Mar-13 21:42:56

HAHAHA @ eyes bleached.

Dunno why I am laughing. They would need eye transplants if I wore skinnies. sad

VQ I am young, but most definitely not hip.

Cat Hadouken? I recognise that. From the fucking xbox, stupid fucking mortal kombat or some such shit.

Passmethecrisps Wed 27-Mar-13 21:43:51

Fuck shit bugger balls! I keep Remembering shit I meant to say.

is that normal? VQ that is such chuffing bad manners I would poke my fingers in her lollipop headed eyes so I would. J is the very picture of superbness.

chasing I hope you have your party pants on for meeting detective tomorrow. I am all jealous excited!

TheDetective Wed 27-Mar-13 21:44:30

Pass Does P's poo childishly sniggering from here get stuck to her arse?

O's hard poo is stuck to his bum and molded in to a bum shape. So you undo the nappy, and think, no poo. Then you get suprise poo!

TheDetective Wed 27-Mar-13 21:45:10

She might need her tena lady, not her party pants wink grin.

TheDetective Wed 27-Mar-13 21:46:29

YW Did I say thanks for the idea re: water? Probably not, forgetful fucker.

Will try this tonight.

O has woken up 11 times already. He has been in bed since 7.30pm.

This is not a Good Night. Fucking shitting hell.

kirrinIsland Wed 27-Mar-13 21:53:23

Sorry about your Dad Shelley Glad he's doing ok. Formula will do Tommy no harm at all.

chasing sorry ss were shit. I can't believe they didn't speak to you on your own.

detective N frequently cries in the car - simply because she doesn't like the car seat. I'm afraid I tend to go for the 'ignore' approach blush If I stopped every time she cried I'd never get anywhere!

Sorry to hear about all the broken fanjos sad but probably not as sorry as Luis is

I have sold my horsebox. I am very pleased, but also a bit sad as it means I really have admitted defeat with getting back into competing any time soon. I am definitely not selling my horse though, and I will ride again soon. To be fair, money and logistics are having as much an impact on that as the children are.

Also, I think I need to sack my dogs. My friend managed to let herself into the house and walk right past them before saying hello to me and they still didn't realise she was there. I think it's safe to say they won't be alerting me to any burglars grin waste of fur

Enjoy your meet up tomorrow detective and chasing

Passmethecrisps Wed 27-Mar-13 21:55:23

Why, yes detective! Before she went on carobel P would spend a few minutes looking like she was going to burst her own eyes heaving out a grey solid plug. After this I would take her nappy off and remove said plug. She would then spend a happy 5 minutes chewing on her fingers while a softer, yellower sausage would curl joyfully out. Genuinely, I could easily change her nappy without her ever pooing in it because poos were so massively obvious. She once tried to smile at me while pooing. Her eyes were watering with the effort. I was weeping laughing.

ShellyBobbs Wed 27-Mar-13 22:07:49

Thanks everyone. will pump tomorrow and see what happens, will look onto milk upper suggestions. Don't really want to take him into hospital Detective. Ahhhh he'll be fine. Thanks again everyone smile

TheDetective Wed 27-Mar-13 22:09:16

How long do they think your dad will be in there for? It might not be for long. smile x

PetiteRaleuse Wed 27-Mar-13 22:13:19

If LO wakes up during the night she is getting water. No milk. I actually kept a record of how much she drank today and she is a pig very healthy eater. She is definitely not hungry during the night.

PetiteRaleuse Wed 27-Mar-13 22:14:24

Trim? Moi? Mwah ha ha ha! Well my arms and legs are very skinny. The rest of me is wibbly wobbly.

TheDetective Wed 27-Mar-13 22:18:56

O just keeps waking up, over and over. White noise is working sometimes. Other times he needs picking up and patting. Or a blanket by over his face.

This is going to be fucking horrendous tonight isn't it?

Fucking hell.

Passmethecrisps Wed 27-Mar-13 22:19:28

All of me is wobbly wobbly. I use the old gauge of pinch a foot

PetiteRaleuse Wed 27-Mar-13 22:20:11

I wear skinnies. They suit my legs, because everything other than skinnies looks like bin bags. You just have to ignore my bellies belly flabbing out over the waistline. <weeps>

And the boobs flopping their way down to my waist.

It's not bf'ing that buggers up the boobs. It's age. Or something. I hardly breastfed. Te other day LO started crying when I was in the shower. I ran out to see her and my boobs went clap clap clap clap clap. And is that wasn't bad enough (seelf shame) DD1 almost pissed herself laughing and POINTED.

At my TUMMY. Because that's what the bastards were clappng against.

Luis you should use our threads as research for a book. You could write a wonderful Nick hornby-esque novel about wimmen and their post birth hangups.

TheDetective Wed 27-Mar-13 22:23:36


DP just asked me what was so funny. I told him he had to read your post.

I don't know why the fuck I am laughing. My bits of skin that were once boobs disappear in my armpits, or fall in to my knickers.

TheDetective Wed 27-Mar-13 22:24:59

I just showed him. I think he is horrified. HAAAAAA! Not at you, at him! He has no fucking idea! I hide the boobs from him!

Izzybuzzybuzzybees Wed 27-Mar-13 22:38:39

Well j has taken a normalish feed and is asleep so its bedtime. I better not be up feeding for an hour again tonight sad

Kyzordz Wed 27-Mar-13 22:40:11

pass that's what e was like and usually it would be the same bottle every day, he would ALWAYS stop mid feed for a poo and it was exactly as you describe! Oh how easy that was to sort!

pr your post made me laugh!! Not the content but the wording!

I hate my body now. Really hate it. I won't let dp see me undressed with the light on, I am a mountain of disgust and yet it is only chocklit and crap that makes me feel better, twat

ChunkyEasterChick Wed 27-Mar-13 22:48:22

Not bfing that fucked my boobs, it was pg!! Once they expand so quickly you get stretch marks, they ain't ever gonna look good... They are bigger now after DS though, so I'd better stop at 2 dc just in case a 3rd spoils them. smile

Shelley don't feel guilty. Do what you need to. Hope your DF is well on the mend soon.

Off to force dream feed DS. Fingers crosses both he and DD have another good night. Boy does she rabbit in her sleep!!!

Elizadoesdolittle Wed 27-Mar-13 22:48:35

I fucking hate my boobs. When I was in my teens I wished for big boobs. Now I wish I had nice small ones as they wouldn't be balancing on my flabby belly.

detective I love that lullaby. Brings back fond memories of my dad singing it to me when I was a child. He's no longer with us so holds a special place in my heart. Also driver at the engine as well, but I never remember all the words to it. I am always singing to my girls but they probably wish I would shut the fuck up. A voice of an angel I have not got!

chasing what a pile of wank. I'm sorry.

DD1 has been a fuckin terror at some points so far this week. She is starting to become a bit spiteful and pulled E's tube yesterday. Luckily it didn't come out. She sulks when she doesnt get her own way and screams. I'm slowly -quickly- losing my temper with her. She better grow out if this faze quickly as I'm not enjoying her at the moment which is a horrible thing to say I know.

We are off for a little Easter break with my sis and bil so looking forward to that. No idea what the Internet will be like at the cottage we are staying in so apologies if I don't post much. Wishing you all a lovely Easter xx

Elizadoesdolittle Wed 27-Mar-13 22:53:37

shelley forgot to say sorry to hear about your DF. Hope he has a speedy recovery. Don't forget to look after yourself too. I second getting domperidone to help your supply. The HV got my GP to prescribe it to me to help with my supply issues. Reminds me I left the tablet at hospital so I need to get more. Adds to ever growing list of things to do!

PetiteRaleuse Wed 27-Mar-13 22:56:44

Should just say, she was laughing at the noise and the wibblyness. Not at the fact that I am horrified that my boobs used to be shapely yet perky and are now droopy and dangly like a couple of widely spread giant bollocks.

stick that in your pipe and smoke it Luis

LuisGarcia Wed 27-Mar-13 23:02:25

Still here, still reading. You are going to have to try harder than this to scare me off. I don't feel I have a part to play in some of these conversations, but seeing as I keep being namechecked.... worry less, please.

Hug for ShellyBobbs

kirrinIsland Wed 27-Mar-13 23:06:32

I'm not too fond of my post babies body either. The flabby tummy is very depressing, but then i console myself with a Belgian bun confused - idiot.

Eliza I know what you mean. DD1 has been a horror lately. I'm hoping at least some of it is illness related, but she is moaning and tantrumming about nothing everything. I always resolve to remain calm and I always fail.
Enjoy your Easter break smile

detective hopefully he'll just go zonk in a bit. Fx for you.

N is in bed so I am heading to bed too. Night all. I'm sure I'll be back in an hour or 2.

StuntNun Wed 27-Mar-13 23:14:17

Hope your dad makes a speedy recovery Shelly. My FIL had a heart attack 11 years ago and he was only in for a couple of days so hopefully he'll be able to get home soonish.

Yeah the ol' tum ain't what it used to be but on the other hand 32H! I'm not complaining. wink

Passmethecrisps Wed 27-Mar-13 23:14:44

The thing is though I was none too fond of my pre-pregnancy body. It is only now that I appreciate it.

Noone wants to scare you off luis. We luffs you too much to care what genitalia you wear. I genuinely and categorically have no problem with the fact that you know that my vajayjay looks like road kill. I imagine you are an all round decent human being like my DH and get than something with the size of head that DD has is not going to come out without a fight

itsnotyouitsMeals Wed 27-Mar-13 23:24:02

kirrin eliza we love them but sometimes they are harder to like. At least that's how I feel sometimes. Our twos weren't terrible but the threes are definitely proving to be very challenging at times (see me and DH at 4 am yesterday). This to shall pass (repeat to fade...)

itsnotyouitsMeals Wed 27-Mar-13 23:28:11

Vajajay? Scrubs fan pass?

So. Serious question. What informal word do you use to describe lady parts with your DCs? Willy does fine for make genitalia and penis for accuracy. But vagina is only one bit and vulva sounds wrong. And what to use informally? Fanjo? Vajayjay? Genuinely need help on this one!!!!!

itsnotyouitsMeals Wed 27-Mar-13 23:28:23

Male not make

itsnotyouitsMeals Wed 27-Mar-13 23:51:07

<Tumbleweed> Bollocks. I broked the thread. Sorry blush.

Please come back everyone! <looks round tearfully> <trudges off sadly>

itsnotyouitsMeals Thu 28-Mar-13 00:20:27

Night then. ...

StuntNun Thu 28-Mar-13 00:25:49

Sorry Meals I have three boys so we've never needed a name.

First feed of the night here. Don't know why I bothered with the dream feed.

TheDetective Thu 28-Mar-13 00:27:36


Postingv on laptop, no glasses on I can not see. One eye shut. Is not helping.

My phjone is dead. Will not charge. I know it is the charger.

I fucking need it for tomorrow for actual fucks fucking sake.

Where can I get an iphone charger at 7am from?

Rage is my middle name right now, Should be sleeping. O is asleep. I am awake pissing around trting to get ohine to charge. Waaaaqaah.

LuisGarcia Thu 28-Mar-13 00:43:59

I am thankful I am meeting PurplePidjin tomorrow.

I am thankful my two are thoughtful enough to let me know they are both alive every half hour or so.

I am thankful I don't have a broken fanjo.

I am thankful I have never said that before and probably never will again.

I am thankful my phone is charging.

ooh J is letting me know he is alive. I'm thankful for his persistence.

LuisGarcia Thu 28-Mar-13 01:13:07

I am thankful we have very understanding neighbours

Izzybuzzybuzzybees Thu 28-Mar-13 01:13:27

First feed of night. Two fecking hours!!! Not good.

I may revert back to just feeding on demand tomorrow as trying to get him to take more is not working. He is only doing pathetic feeds. At least before he was having proper feeds albeit with big gaps sad I don't know what's best!

ValiumQueen Thu 28-Mar-13 01:16:33

Vajayjay is also used in Grays Anatomy, which is crap this season IMO. Have loved it up to now.

J slept 4.5 hours, had a lovely feed and went down fine. Cue yowling 2 mins later. I left him and he self settled. I could hear DD1 muttering and DD2 started coughing in annoyance, but he settled, for which I am thankful.

I am also thankful that my DH thinks I am sex on legs, even though I have been hobbling like an old woman after holding my lovely well padded baby for 45 minutes and hurting my back. My leg fucking hurts too. I am also thankful he has moved position so, whilst still snoring, it is no longer in my ear.

I am thankful for my lop sided boobs. They have served my babies well, and after having friends lose them to cancer, and another to a motorbike accident, I am grateful to have them at all.

I am thankful for the humour of this thread, and all the loving support it offers.

shelly thank goodness there is formula. Try to see it is a positive, enabling you to support your father, whilst ensuring your baby will be fed if needed.

I am also thankful for LF formula. It has mended my poor broken baby, who is now a dream.

kirrinIsland Thu 28-Mar-13 01:18:04


Mind blank.

That is all.

ValiumQueen Thu 28-Mar-13 01:19:25

I am sorry izzy it must be so frustrating for you x

Oh, and about toddlers... DD2 has been a horror in her 2s and I think she is upping the game as she enters her 3s. God help me!

LuisGarcia Thu 28-Mar-13 01:20:59

I want to print that off and hang it around my neck

Izzybuzzybuzzybees Thu 28-Mar-13 01:24:03

Yep it definitely is vq nothing seems to make a difference and I feel at least before he seemed to be getting a better quantity of milk! I had hoped to have sleeping greatly improved before our holiday as we will all be in one room and I'd like him not to disturb DD and also I'd like to not need matchsticks during the day!!

Lily311 Thu 28-Mar-13 01:31:24

Checking in.

detective do you have an ipod? Use that charger? Sorry if not.

Will write in the morning.

Izzybuzzybuzzybees Thu 28-Mar-13 01:34:14

25 min feed. Much better than last nights hour long feedathon!!

Going for transfer then a few more hours I hope!

PurplePidjin Thu 28-Mar-13 01:51:40

I am thankful for cake. And 5 hours sleep now i want another 5 please R

StuntNun Thu 28-Mar-13 02:44:06

Third feed of the night here. This is unbelievable.

Catbag Thu 28-Mar-13 03:23:44

luis grin

vq Hear, hear

Catbag Thu 28-Mar-13 03:25:28

Sorry stunt, I've some sleep regression issues here too at the moment so I sympathise. Hopefully this feed will be a swift one.

Catbag Thu 28-Mar-13 03:27:31

For you, I meant. R is thrashing around with a blocked nose, staring at me accusingly. S is nomming on boob and refusing to go to sleep :/

Catbag Thu 28-Mar-13 03:31:21

Sleep will be along time coming here.. R just sneezed a couple of times and is obviously feeling a bit better. She just gave me her naughty-eyes grin and has rolled onto her side to nom on S's wrist. S hitherto is unconcerned, but starting to want to play. No, babies. This is not acceptable <<sobs>>

StuntNun Thu 28-Mar-13 04:44:39

Oh no Cat, I hope you got back to sleep. Are the twins getting too active to feed easily? J wants to twist his head round to see if anything interesting might be happening (it isn't) and wriggles around a lot pushing himself with his feet.

I keep getting told "He's hungry, you need to feed him" by DH. When I protest that he was only fed an hour ago and he couldn't possibly be hungry then I get told "You just don't want to feed him"! Honestly J has fed at 5, 7:30, 10:30, 12:20, 1:30, 2:40 and 4:30 so far tonight, a couple of big feeds but mostly just nibbling.

PetiteRaleuse Thu 28-Mar-13 05:57:25

Well she woke up a couple of times before we went to bed but otherwise slept til 6.30. Now I am just wishing I hadn't gone to bed so late as I could have had 8hours of beautiful sleep.

I am thankful for my two beautiful daughters, thankful for the long weekend ahead, thankful for my DH most of the time and, as ever, thankful for the quiche.

I am enjoying this season of Greys as long as I suspend my disbelief and consider it as a soap opera and not a serious drama. I really dislike Meredith Grey though.

The Following is becoming ridiculous though. And Joe is a real pantomime villain. Very disappointing but again, will have to see if I can suspend disbelief.

I wrote a guest blog for MN the other day. It's stickered in the bloggers talk subject and it's about Boris johnson. I'm quite proud they asked me.

Haven't decided what to call genitalia in this house. Nothing too twee, but I hate the word vulva as it reminds me of Volvo which reminds me of ugly 80s estate cars which reminds me of darker days. Probably foufoune for girls which is what they use here informally, and willy for boys, or zizi in French, which I quite like too.

horseylady Thu 28-Mar-13 05:59:45

Stunt I'd tell your dh where to go!!! If he's nibbling I would encourage j to go a bit longer!! ESP if he's eating well in the day.

Been up since 2.45 off on holiday!!

To those of you with broken belows I was surprised how easy it was to get Physio. I love my gp more than ever ATM. She's truely wonderful.

No idea what else has been happening sorry!!

Have fab Easters

PetiteRaleuse Thu 28-Mar-13 06:02:14

Have a lovely holiday horsey enjoy the lovely French food.

ValiumQueen Thu 28-Mar-13 06:23:52

Have a good time horsey

Everyone else in the house has woken up feeling poorley. Great.

pr I will try to change my view of Grays. And I agree about the Following. It started with such potential. Totally gripped by Dexter (I wish) and I have a few ideas of how it might pan out.

We have front bottom, woowoo or willie in this house.

Lily311 Thu 28-Mar-13 06:31:40


sophia happy birthday, i am bit too late, sorry.

Sorry for those with broken fanjos, I managed to come out unscratched I think. Sometimes I look at my little girl and think how on earth could she come out through that tiny hole.

horsey have a lovely holiday

luis glad we haven't scared you away

detective and chasing hope the meeting goes well

eliza great weight gain

Not sure who else, sorry if I missed anyone.

I am thankful for my little girl, she is without a doubt a little terrorist but I love her to bits.

I am also thankful for my parents who offered to drive 1000km just to pick us from airport and take us to see the in-laws for the first time in May. I couldn't have faced them on my own.

I am thankful for my amazing friends.

Pikz Thu 28-Mar-13 06:40:35

He did it he did it he did it. 7.30-6!!!!! Wooooohooooo <dances about like a crazed elf>

Sophiathesnowfairy Thu 28-Mar-13 06:44:19

Morning. Fab birthday all topped off with a weepy session in front of OBEM.

I am thankful that I have a fabulous husband and today we have been married for one year.

I am thankful that we are getting to actually go out for dinner to celebrate said Anniversay.

Then all my celebrations will be over for a bit. <hears quiche sigh of relief>

ValiumQueen Thu 28-Mar-13 06:54:35

Wow pikz you both really deserved that!

ValiumQueen Thu 28-Mar-13 06:56:21

sophia how is the bleeding? Will there be the fireworks tonight? wink happy anniversary!

ValiumQueen Thu 28-Mar-13 06:58:36

J slept 8-6 with one feed at 12.30. He stirred a couple of times and self settled. I am very thankful for that!

Pikz Thu 28-Mar-13 07:04:37

Sounds fab Sophia! Am still laughing at VQ hearing the fireworks!!

Well done J!

Thank you VQ... I am proof they can get there. He will probably never do it again!

ChasingDaisy Thu 28-Mar-13 07:13:30

Didn't get to read in the night so lots to catch up on. O did 19:10 - 00:50 then into bed at 3 as he was unsettled and then fed again at 6. Back to sleep again now, so pretty good night. Think it gets too cold in his cot at the moment, so once it gets warmer I will concentrate on him being in his cot all night. Am happy with one middle of the night feed though

TheDetective Thu 28-Mar-13 07:54:21

Fucking horrific night.

<what happens in night club, stays in night club>

My eyes are stinging. Eyeliner was not the best idea.

Fucking hell. Still. I have phone now. DP went out at 7 and got me a new charger. Stupid piece of crap with spectacular breaking timing.

I am going to tank up on caffeine. And forget last night ever happened. Fuck you night! Fuck you!!!!

Kyzordz Thu 28-Mar-13 07:57:46

Morning all!

Sorry to hear about the bad nights sad ours was ok, he woke crying at 4 but settled with a dummy, woke at 6:30. He went to bed at 7:45, no idea when he fell asleep as I said goodnight, kissed him, put him in his cot and left. Usually I stay with him but he must've been fine as I didn't hear a peep.

Have a nice time horsey

I am thankful for decent sleep, a beautiful if somewhat foul waste producing son and a lovely usually dp

StuntNun Thu 28-Mar-13 07:59:54

Simultaneous cheers for babyPikz and commiserations for Detective. I'm with Izzy I think my baby is broken. confused There's no way he should be up so many times in the night, he just will not settle himself back to sleep in his cot.

ShellyBobbs Thu 28-Mar-13 08:02:04

I'm thankful my dad survved his heart attack.

Thanks again everyone, this quiche really does rock, I am thankful for you lot grin

it's about a year since I ventured onto the antenatal threads. Wow, we've been through so much together.

On post pregnancy bodies, I was well pleased with mine at 3 weeks post. I'm 2 sizes smaller than before and my body looks better than it did before (sorry). My boobs are well saggy but nothong a bra won't sort out. Not bad for a body that's made, and given birth to 4 beautiful babies. Fanjo a bit leaky still but otherwise ok. Haven't road tested it yet though grin

ShellyBobbs Thu 28-Mar-13 08:04:45

Have been up practically all night. Tommy has shrunken the gap to about 45 mins between feeds. Won't have dummy so no idea what's up with him. Can't leave him to cry as my other 3 bambinos would wake up.

kirrinIsland Thu 28-Mar-13 08:08:28

Boo to crap nights detective cat and stunt brew

Yay for good ones VQ and pikz

Happy anniversary Sophia and have fab holiday horsey

N slept at 22.30 woke at 1 and then slept through til quarter to 8 I am delighted with this grin

We are off to the joy that is soft play today, and then all coming back here so I need to go and put the Hoover round and generally clean up a bit. Not much has got done lately - Velcro baby has seen to that.

Really down today, think I'm going to struggle getting through the day, bastard PND. sad

justonemorecake Thu 28-Mar-13 08:20:05

I seem to have gone back to lurking rather than posting! I read everything but then don't get chance to post myself or I forget what I want to say.

I also think my baby is broken. I thought we were getting somewhere with sleep but we seem to have gone backward again. Last night she was up every hour. I keep meaning to see if I can get her to go back down without feeding, but in the middle of the night it seems much easier to just feed her. I just can't see how she will ever go from this to sleeping through. Sorry to hear of other people with bad nights.

ChunkyEasterChick Thu 28-Mar-13 08:20:29

I am thankful for the amber anklet again.

Bed at 8ish, dream feed at 11.15. He woke at 6ish & self-settled then 7.15. Fan-fucking-tastic. smile

Great stuff pikz & VQ

Try an amber anklet stunt izzy et al. Honestly, what have you got to lose except £8 ??!!

Happy Easter & have a lovely time horsey.

I am thankful that whilst my DD is pushing boundaries, she is now potty trained & full of beans, and makes me smile.

I am thankful that DH will be off work for 4 days tomorrow & has another day or 2 off next week so we can get A's room done.

I am thankful that my DM & DF are relatively healthy & have a house in Brittany so we can holiday there this year although I hope DS isn't an early crawler as they're house will not be safe.

I am also thankful I have an Android phone so chargers are universal wink detective (your DP is a cutie at times right?!)

YellowWellies Thu 28-Mar-13 08:45:13

Big squishy hug to titsalina and biscuit biscuit biscuit and brew brew brew

Detective sorry to hear about crap night - I too am shit and irrationally angry at disturbed sleep. I think after three good nights we might be over the worst but what do i know?! wink We got 8.30-3.50 and 4.20-7.15 which suits me fine. At the mo its like watching a Mexican wave seeing the sleep regression ripple through our cohort of babies.

VQ So glad LF has done the trick grin

YellowWellies Thu 28-Mar-13 08:46:46

Stunt is he comfort feeding?

Elizadoesdolittle Thu 28-Mar-13 08:49:53

itsyou I had exactly the same dilemma as you and ended up callin them girlie bits. I don't really like this either but didn't know what else to come up with. When I was a little girl I called them tiki's which is pretty stupid! Willy is so much easier.

pilkz yay (does a little dance with you).

vq loving your thanks. Especially the boobie one. You always know how to put things into perspective.

Mixed night here, not bad but not great.

Right better get off mumsnet and start packin seeing as i have to pick my sister up at 11am and I've done fuck all!

Elizadoesdolittle Thu 28-Mar-13 08:50:56

Oh and I meant to add thanks for tits hope your day doesn't turn out as bad as you fear it will. Hugs x

PennieLane Thu 28-Mar-13 08:53:24

Ha luis smile

dicks Latitude is good, very different feel to Glasto, very family friendly. We also have family nearby so if it all goes wrong with LO we can decamp to their houses!

I am grateful for snuffle baby which has helped poor LO breathe through this nasty cold-let it past soon!

I am also grateful to DH who chases a RAT out of our house this morning and whacked it out with a mop, while the cat watched lazily from his cushion. I can't bear to think how it got in-am hoping it was cat flap and it was a freak occurrence!

PennieLane Thu 28-Mar-13 08:54:25

flowers to all those with crap nights and to tits

Passmethecrisps Thu 28-Mar-13 08:59:46

Morning peeps.

Aw stunt that sounds hellish. I have no advice. Nothing to offer but sympathy. Same for izzy, shelly and anyone else having ongoing issues.

Jimmy Carr used the term vajayjay - it is the term of choice in crisp towers. As for what we use when P is bigger I think probably vagina. I know it isn't fully correct but it is typically understood. It is what I would use if I went to the docs. I have heard all sorts at work - flower, jewel, precious and so on. For penis we will probably use willy. I have a friend who has encouraged the children to use the proper terms so one day when bathing the wee boy the mum told him to lift his penis to wash under his scrotum. Cue the 5 year old daughter marching up and down the hallway singing "penises and scrotums all for our tea!"

Kyzordz Thu 28-Mar-13 09:01:15

Oh tits is there anyone close who can help you with anything you might need doing that could perhaps make you feel a bit better? Hugs

Sounds like a thoroughly wank night det

Some other good ones though! Well done minipikz

The boy is still asleep...

Kyzordz Thu 28-Mar-13 09:04:36

My mum always said willy for boy bits and Minnie for girl bits. No idea where minnie came from but it's what the kids (siblings) call it until they hit teens and come up with their own lovely choice of name for bits and bobs! snaffle rug, anyone?

YellowWellies Thu 28-Mar-13 09:06:41

I'm with pass I'd be inclined to use the anatomical terms rather than cringy euphemisms for girl bits or maybe bits or fanny if you're really not comfy with vagina. We'll use willy and balls with Jonas.

Sophiathesnowfairy Thu 28-Mar-13 09:07:24

Brilliant pikz and little pikz

vq you mean you didn't hear the fireworks last night!

We will just have to have a replay tonight and you can listen out.

The bleeding has slowed down to spotting, I think this is because I am taking nurofen for a rotten cold. The dr suggested this might work, but to be honest I don't want to take it ad hoc. So i have used it rather than paracetemol for this cold and it seems to be doing the trick for both. So I thought I would risk it, I was worried I would be a bit tense, but no all was firework like. grin

Passmethecrisps Thu 28-Mar-13 09:08:16

Yikes to rats pennie! I had a cat years ago who brought a rat in to my bedroom and left managing to shut the door behind him! I woke up with a rat sitting on my chest staring into my face.

I am grateful for the bundle of cuteness in her basket doing crunches and pulling her dummy out to speak before trying to stuff it back in again.

Limpit80 Thu 28-Mar-13 09:09:59

Morning all! I too have turned back into lurker as I never have time to post after I have read! Rest assured I was honouring sweary Wednesday in real life for most of the day yesterday!
Well done pikz junior and baby VQ, that is some awesome sleeping right there! I have read their achievements out to F in the hope that he takes it on board! grin
Luis thank you for the lullaby recommendations! Lullaby versions of The Smiths and radio head will very soon be purchased!
Tits flowers Im sorry you are feeling so low.
Very jealous of those going to festivals!
I am thankful not to have a broken fanjo.
I am thankful that I got to go out for a couple of hours with a friend last night for the first time since he was born.
I am thankful that my LO is generally smiley and happy. despite refusing to sleep in his cot.

Sophiathesnowfairy Thu 28-Mar-13 09:10:19

Have a great day detective and chasing

StuntNun Thu 28-Mar-13 09:12:42

It can't still be the sleep regression, he's been like this for over four weeks now, with three to seven wakenings every night. He's 19 weeks today so I had been thinking he would just snap out if it but now I don't think it's going to happen. Yesterday I fed him at 7, 11 and 2 then he had 5 oz of EBM at 5, another feed at 7:30 and a dream feed at 10:30. Given that he is a big baby (16.5 lb) that has never had anything more serious than a cold, I really think he should be able to go from 10:30 p.m. to 6-7 a.m. with only one night feed. So it looks like the problem is a sleep association; he wakes up in his cot and is unhappy to be there and he wants a quick feed to get him back to sleep. I'm going to have to start sleep training him aren't I? Just go cold turkey and dump him in his cot to sleep? I hate controlled crying though. I did it with the older two but they must have been over six months because they were in their own room by then. Poor J won't even get his own room unless we manage to move house.

Limpit80 Thu 28-Mar-13 09:15:45

pass shock to waking up with a rat on your chest! That have me goosebumps! Not in a good way!

Limpit80 Thu 28-Mar-13 09:16:17

pass shock to waking up with a rat on your chest! That have me goosebumps! Not in a good way!

ChunkyEasterChick Thu 28-Mar-13 09:18:13

Oh yes. Forgot meals we say willy & moo moo. Not quite sure where moo moo came from, maybe from minnie moo or something. Think moo moo is what my Dsis uses & as she did/will do our childcare, it just worked out that way. It's weird there is no 'collective noun' for the entirety of the lady bits. Willy & balls, vag + ....

ChunkyEasterChick Thu 28-Mar-13 09:24:58

stunt I get you. Given that DS is 19+4 today & went right through from 8/9ish until 6/7ish without a feed at 10wks, I was so fed up with the 2 wakings once I'd gone to bed. I mean, I accepted when he had a cold but what about when he's well? So that's why I did the dream feed etc. I think you said he had a bedtime routine. What time is that? Could you start it earlier so he doesn't feed to sleep or do you already do that? Can you do pick up put down instead of cc?

And sorry Tits. Just try to get through today in one piece. Leave anything not essential. Just get yourself washed & dressed & care for LO. Everything else can wait.

BigPigLittlePig Thu 28-Mar-13 09:26:58

I am thankful for pass, pr and detective who between them have tested my pelvic floor this morning with talk of wibbly bellies and droopy boobs.

I am thankful that my pelvic floor at least is intact.

I am thankful that my beautiful girl has finally grown into her "first size" outfit bought as a present at Christmas, and that she only woke once in the night.

DSD calls her vagina her "ni-ni" - I hate this phrase. Hate it. I'm going with boys having willies, and girls having (front) bottoms. That was what I used growing up - but from about the age of 7 I knew the proper names.

Am trying to convince DH to quit his job, which he doesn't enjoy, and apply to be a postie. The hours are much better, pay is equivalent, and we would save a bomb in childcare. Watch this space. Can't even use sex as a bargaining tool owing to broken bits fucksticks

Passmethecrisps Thu 28-Mar-13 09:28:29

It is weird chunky. I think it comes from a general squeamishness about girls having sex organs.

Hugs to tits. I really hope that today is better than you think.

I have a question! DH and I are big fans of swearing. Well, that makes it sound bad. DH in particular is a big fan of language and creative use of language. This often results in carefully chosen swear words. At what point should we be more careful about what we say in front of P? We also like making words up pair of weirdos so we should really stop doing that as well I suppose.

fruitpastilles Thu 28-Mar-13 09:32:00

Haven't caught up yet, but just wanted to say S just rolled front to back, 3 times! I even managed to catch the 2nd and 3rd on video for dp. So proud!!! All that worrying for nothing eh! grin

ChasingDaisy Thu 28-Mar-13 09:33:46

Oh Tits I know how you feel, I really do thanks. Don't look any further ahead than the next hour. Get through that, then focus on the next hour. A whole day can seem quite daunting first thing in the morning.

ChunkyEasterChick Thu 28-Mar-13 09:35:29

DD is a sponge so can repeat random words & phrases, long after I've forgotten it, and she's 3 soon. So, to be on the safe side, before 1 make sure the "good" words are said more than the bad words, so her first word is Mummy not fuck or smirkwiggle... Then after 1 try to reduce the. colourful language in her hearing. IMO obviously, not "officia" guidance wink

ChunkyEasterChick Thu 28-Mar-13 09:37:05

^^ for pass

grin & envy fruit

BigPigLittlePig Thu 28-Mar-13 09:37:21

pass the moment when 2 yo dsd merrily said in the bath "you silly little bugger" to her barbie, was the point at which dh and I picked out jaws up off the floor made a very big effort to mind our ps & qs

Izzybuzzybuzzybees Thu 28-Mar-13 09:40:34

Sorry you had such a bad night again stunt as you know we are still Abingdon a nightmare so I have nothing useful to suggest I'm afraid!

We had two wakenings between 11 and 7. I figure this will eventually calm down when he decides to feed normally during the day. This morning at his 6.45 feed I unmatched him after 15mins. I'm hoping this means he didn't fill up as much as he usually would and that there will be a shorter gap til is next feed which may in turn mean eats more during the day I'm clutching at straws aren't I?

Izzybuzzybuzzybees Thu 28-Mar-13 09:41:07

tits we are all here for you. I've been through it and worse so if you need to talk feel free to PM me

MissMummy1 Thu 28-Mar-13 09:42:01

Eagerly noting down suggestions of 'bits words' - I too have heard everything under the sun while teaching but not entirely sure what to use with M. Personally happy using the proper words, but know dp will dismiss that idea...

Shelly sorry to hear about your dad. Fxd for a full recovery x. I too am considering giving one bottle of formula a day as I cannot pump enough to keep up if she decides to cluster feed when I am at work. In theory the longest I am ever gone is 3 hours and she can go longer than that between feeds - or with a small bottle of ebm to top her up if necessary - but more than once I have come back to her screaming and felt like the worst, most selfish mummy ever. (In hindsight how much of it is it her twunty dad not realising what she wants? She never cries when my mum has her hmm )

Today I am thankful she did a 4 hour sleep stretch last night even if it was in my bed

I am thankful I am able to take her to work with me this afternoon as all usual babysitting suspects are busy.

I am thankful for my 4 years no claims bonus and the pittance difference in insurance for my new car grin (just a year or two ago they would have laughed in my face at the engine size blush )

I am very thankful him indoors went back to work this morning. Why can everyone see he is being a dick except him?! I am hoping his sister sees it at the weekend and gets through to him as my patience and determination to remain a family unit is wearing very thin.

Passmethecrisps Thu 28-Mar-13 09:50:11

Lol @ smirkwiggle! Also lol@ silly bugger barbie!

That seems sensible chunky. I did say to DH that from about 6 months I felt we should avoid too much swearing or nonsense. Having said that during the day I have long extended chats to her in a perfectly normal manner so she is hearing much more normal stuff.

She is still a bundle of snot. So today I am so grateful for snuffle babes, snot suckers (known as a snucker) and the dummy which helps her breathe.

Catbag Thu 28-Mar-13 09:56:59

pennie Your DH is a hero.

pass On your chest?! I actually quite like rats, but....

Sorry for my brief, dramatic post earlier. I've been fine for days but today it's just floored me again.
I think DP is getting towards the end if his tether with me, we argued this morning, he's upset that nothing he does makes me happy. It's hard to tell him what will solve the problem when I don't know myself!!!
There isn't anything that I can say is the issue, it's not him, it's not J it's me. No family that can help, DP says to ask MIL for support but she has more than enough to be dealing with.

PetiteRaleuse Thu 28-Mar-13 10:13:48

I am bad but improving at minding my language in front of the children. Obviously I don't sit on my sofa shouting fuck and cunt as liberally as I do on here, but swearwords do slip in here and there, especially when the bloody dog barks. DD1 has sworn once, at the dog, and I chose to ignore it. It hasn't happened since in several weeks. I have to admit I inwardly laughed, which i know is askingnfor a flaming, but it wasn't a very bad word and was slightly mispronounced and just sounded so cute.

I am honestly making an effort, particularly in French, which is hard, as French swearwords are wonderfully expressive. It's more important that she doesn't swear in French as she will be at school here.

I find it hard to get worked up about swearing as it just doesn't bother me unless used with real aggression, (and then it is the aggression which bothers me) but I am aware that she will be judged if she does swear, so will teach her not to. We have had to rename one of our cats as he was named before we thought about having children and is called Little Bugger in French. It suits him. He is now called Big Cat. Very original.

To be honest what worries me more is her repeating things she has heard us say about people. I reckon that my ILs some people's ears must burn fairly frequently and I'm starting to give them code names for when I start ranting about them, or spelling words out on occasion. To avoid the mummy said you were a .... type conversations later on...

ChasingDaisy Thu 28-Mar-13 10:14:02

Tits did you see the GP in the end?

Passmethecrisps Thu 28-Mar-13 10:17:31

Yup cat. Sitting there panting and staring at me. It had scraped the carpet up next to the door trying to escape.

ChasingDaisy Thu 28-Mar-13 10:17:55

So today I am very thankful for my beautiful baby. He has been incredibly happy and chatty this morning and laughing away which is the best thing ever. He had developed so much over the past few weeks - so alert and responsive. Very active too, he shuffles on his tummy as he tries to crawl.

He has been napping for over an hour now which I am also thankful for as he has an exciting day ahead and I want to avoid any overtired meltdowns.

I am currently not thankful for antidepressants making me feel like death.

StuntNun Thu 28-Mar-13 10:18:44

Pass DH and I are terrible for swearing in front of the kids I blame my mum who swears like a Sergeant Major. We tell them swear words are for grown ups and they can use them when they're 18! It has worked with DS1 (10) who makes up his own swear words such as What the beep! DS2 (6) has occasionally said a swear word and been told that only grown ups are allowed to swear, rather than telling him off about it. They think it's a law now - no swearing for under 18s!

I remember when DS1 was small I got carved up by an arsehole going all the way round the roundabout in the outside lane and I said "Stupid cow", cue DS1 in the back seat going "Stupid cow.. mooooo"! Completely cracked me up.

Tits I'm so sorry to hear you're struggling. Is there anything the quiche can do to help other than offering hugs?

PetiteRaleuse Thu 28-Mar-13 10:23:00

Oh good point stunt

My attempt at not swearing officially ends the minute I get in the car until the minute I get out. Swearing at or about other drivers or my poor car keeps me calm. I am a bad nervous driver, and keeping myself calm is important for the safety of me, my passengers, and other road users.

No I didn't see the GP, I've have a history of depression and have found GPs never to be that helpful tbh, plus I was doing fine, really well for over a week, it's just some days come along where it batters me again.
I don't want to be on anti depressants and I've had CBT and all the rest before.

itsnotyouitsMeals Thu 28-Mar-13 10:27:05

See, that's what I mean chunky. We have willy and balls but nowt for vagina/vulva etc. I want my DDs to understand register- so we'll use vagina, penis etc formally ( doctor, anatomical discussion etc) but also have less formal words too. So am thinking willy, balls and the mn fanjo?

Sorry to those who had bad nights cat stunt and others and yay for vq.

I don't think there is Stunt, thanks though, until I can know what will make me feel better I guess no one can really help. It's good to know you're all here though cheering me of from cyberspace.

Passmethecrisps Thu 28-Mar-13 10:35:25

PR we have a similar attitude to language I think. There are worse things than swearing. However, I would like her to be able to monitor her own language which she will need to be much older to manage. Probably we swear much less in front of P than we think.

Passmethecrisps Thu 28-Mar-13 10:40:31

Absolutely stunt - appropriate usage!

I remember dealing with a very upset girl. She was about 17 and was having major problems. There had been an issue in a class and she an a teacher had a massive blow out so I was called to mediate. The girl said something like "you made me feel like shit" to the teacher. The complete baw bag have her a telling off for swearing. It is to my eternal shame that I didn't pull him up for his stinking rotten attitude to the mediation process and to the girl's emotional stare

Passmethecrisps Thu 28-Mar-13 10:40:55

Doh! State. Not stare

BigPigLittlePig Thu 28-Mar-13 10:47:07

Operation Nap is failing today.
Put her in her cot asleep, and she instantly woke - all the shh patting in the world wasn't going to work, eventually she had a meltdown so now is nuzzling my neck and wide awake.

itsnotyouitsMeals Thu 28-Mar-13 10:51:01

Took me ages to post and missed stuff. Tits am thinking of you.

I love swearing and think much the same as you pr I do avoid swearing in front of the DCs if poss but willexpect them to swear when older. Though last night we were discussing pronunciation as DH is a mancunian and says bath etc with a short a sound whereas I don't. DH said something about someone being an arse and Dd1 changed it to ass!


itsnotyouitsMeals Thu 28-Mar-13 10:53:02

MM can you talk to your sil or do you think she needs to see it for herself?

PetiteRaleuse Thu 28-Mar-13 10:55:28

This is it. I couldn't give a shit if children swear as long as they do it in the proper context not, i.e., 'can we have some motherfucking lasagne for dinner' . That would be wrong. But 'I've had a really shitty day' would be acceptable to me.

But not to society so they have to learn either not to do it or not to do it in front of the wrong people. I managed - the more I got bollocked for swearing at home the more I did it. Bt other than one occasion at primary school no teachers ever heard me swear. And I promise that calling that teacher a bastard was thoroughly justified. He really was an absolute bastard. If I had known the word cunt back then that would have been even more appropriate. And if was still teaching today you can guarantee that half the shit he got away with would no longer be acceptable. He used to throw stuff at us. Bastard.

ChunkyEasterChick Thu 28-Mar-13 10:57:26

My DD says "Slow down mate!!" loudly to any vehicle as a result of my in-car vocalising. I just thank fuck its relatively tame!!

pass at our school we have a policy of reminding students about appropriate language for the audie

ChunkyEasterChick Thu 28-Mar-13 11:01:17

Stupid phone!!! Grrrrrr.

^ audience rather than a blanket ban on swearing per se. Lots of parents in the area using swearing instead of punctuation... We only go to town if they're swearing at someone esp a teacher - lack of respect/the aggression aspect more than the language. In the above circumstance, if it had been my student, I might have said "I'd rather you didn't swear but..."

DD is currently being a Giraffe confused

Catbag Thu 28-Mar-13 11:02:39

Ok, so Ikea killed my car again. Got to the bottom of the drive, revs dropped, car stalled and refused to start. DH pushed it about 500 yards along the road (fucking hero!) to the start of the hill and I managed to bump-start it. Got to bottom of hill, put foot on accelerator, car promptly died again. Had to carry babies back up said nasty hill in bitterly cold wind. They were fine; we were frozened sad

Now sat at home, waiting for mechanics to come and pick it up. Ffs.

Catbag Thu 28-Mar-13 11:16:24

I made a point of not telling the quiche that I was going in case it killed the car. Seriously, this is three times. Detective is right, Ikea Gateshead DOES eat cars. Maybe should plan for the one in Leeds instead? Maybe that one does not reave the souls of innocent cars...

PennieLane Thu 28-Mar-13 11:22:30

[shocked] pass that cat must've loved you!

Who was it who had the DC that sounded like a seagull? DD has just started this delightful sound. Please tell me this passes quickly. It's horrible!! She's 19 weeks. It passes by 20 weeks, right? Right?!

PennieLane Thu 28-Mar-13 11:23:07

That was supposed to be shock

Izzybuzzybuzzybees Thu 28-Mar-13 11:43:42

Well j still hasn't fed since 7am so my plan to feed him less this morning and maybe he'd self regulate the rest of his feeds doesn't seem to be working!

BigPigLittlePig Thu 28-Mar-13 12:06:43

Operation nap has righted itself....45 minutes so far and going strong.

I am also thankful for orange blossom shake n vac which has removed the lingering odour of cat vom from my bedroom.

Izzy brew as I have nothing clever to suggest.

PetiteRaleuse Thu 28-Mar-13 12:10:32

I didn't mean that to imply I condone swearing at teachers but in my case it really was deserved. I am still angry at the guy over 25 years later. He was vicious, a real bully and just completely in the wrong job. There was a boy in the class with learning difficulties which, I know, back in the early 80s, weren't taken as seriously, and he used to stand over him while he tried to read and shout "just get on with it you stupid lad" and bang his hands down on the table when the kid got it wrong until the poor boy was stuttering in fear.

I was awful. I was 7or 8 and me and another girl ended up helping this other kid with his reading because I felt so bloody sorry for him.

Vile bastard.

Rant over.

I don't think there are many teachers like that left now.

Izzybuzzybuzzybees Thu 28-Mar-13 12:19:56

bplp I can only dream of a 45min nap! He's been awake since 6.45am. The wee pest will not nap or feed! Argh!!!!!!

Can I swap my feisty in-to-everything baby who's favourite new noise is a scream for a nice, placid, quiet one please?

I can't bloody wait until nap time

ChasingDaisy Thu 28-Mar-13 12:31:54

oh god, the scream. O has perfected a high pitched squeal and its awful.

ChunkyEasterChick Thu 28-Mar-13 12:40:31

PR wasn't judging at all. Things have, thank god, moved on. Anyone doing that at our school would be sacked. Totally wrong. I was responding to pass. Had just assumed the bastard deserved it in your case. I have been told to fuck off but I have never deserved it because I'm lovely grin I did once tell a kid to fuck off because he was in year 11 & taking great delight in tormenting a new teacher with his mates, so after hurling stuff at me & trying to get me to react, started the "are you going to cry?" torments, so I quietly told him to do one... Not that I condone that of course!!

BigPigLittlePig Thu 28-Mar-13 12:40:38

We still have gentle coos here. I'm sure screams are just around the corner.

(She's still asleep shock)

ValiumQueen Thu 28-Mar-13 12:48:05

The shrill scream only lasted a few days here. If you do not respond, they find something else to do to get your attention.

PetiteRaleuse Thu 28-Mar-13 12:48:47

Ooh we had a teacher at secondary school and the poor woman had to deal with our class last double period on Friday afternoons three years in a row, and all three years we had just either had sport or cooking or music or art or whatever so were all hyped up.

We were awful to her and we used to play a kind of bingo with how far we could push her. Certain swearwords were a certain number of points, stamping her foot was another. Tings like raising her voice or getting stressed and playing with her hair were just one point but it happened so often we couldn't leave the lesson without getting 50 points. And we were a good class, everyone else loved us, but she was so easy to wind up that we just took advantage blush

My French teacher OTOH was one of those unflappable teachers hardly ever had to raise her voice she just exuded discipline and the day she swore at us we knew we had gone too far.

Oh happy days. I hated school.

ValiumQueen Thu 28-Mar-13 12:49:56

Still no poo since Sunday. A couple of little bits have come out, grape size and green, like play doh. He had a lovely long bath this morning in a hope it might move things along, but no. Nothing.

PetiteRaleuse Thu 28-Mar-13 12:50:07

Shrill screams aplenty here. And that's just me. Ha ha. Joke. I ignore them but DD1 rises to the challenge to match them. Afternoons get very noisy in the raleuse household. Sometimes the dog joins in.

PetiteRaleuse Thu 28-Mar-13 12:52:33

Might be time to get out the prune or apple juice vq

Here our last resort (for dd1 as LO so far has never caused us poo worries) was glycerine suppositories. You just push them up and 15 minutes later out it all comes. Harmless, no need for prescription or anything.

Passmethecrisps Thu 28-Mar-13 12:57:12

chunky we don't have an official policy re swearing but are encouraged to use our judgement. For example if a child cracks their knee against a table and hurts themselves so says "shit!". I would probably overlook the swearing completely and respond to their pain. If they are frustrated at a task so mutter something they would get the big eyes and I would expect a sorry. In my office when pupils are often in an emotional state there are no rules. Swearing at someone is a total no-no. So in my example has she said "you are a shit" I would have intervened. She was snotty and crying and trying to explain how she felt. He was a shit.

I can happily say I have never been sworn at by a pupil. Some people are astonished by that - it doesn't say much for how people view teenagers.

Swearing was never an issue in my house. It was never mentioned - apart from 'twat' which my mum is mortally offended by. Apparently as a small child if I heard a swear word I would say "don'tsaythatthat'sbad!"

Pikz Thu 28-Mar-13 12:58:33

Of course we had poonami just as we were about to leave for airport with both of us needing a full change!!

Catbag I stand by my offer!

Passmethecrisps Thu 28-Mar-13 13:00:44

A teaspoon of prune juice in 50ml water VQ. And a shit load of leg cycling.

Oh the shrill scream! P happily moved on from that within a fortnight. She now does this sort of gutteral noise. I have been trying to teach her whispering.

Catbag Thu 28-Mar-13 13:03:57

pikz Honestly, it's beyond the pale, this. <<marks trip to Ikea with pikz in the diary>>

Catbag Thu 28-Mar-13 13:06:34

PR Nice work on the being-approached-by-MN-to-guest-blog-ness. I haven't read it yet; where can I find it? I like reading your posts. You have a clear and engaging writing style, imo. Kudos.

ValiumQueen Thu 28-Mar-13 13:07:50

pr any opportunity to give meds pr eh? Your initials are so apt! grin

We are off to the HV so I will tackle poo when we get home. Thank you for the suggestions. He does not seem bothered, has not been straining, and his tum is nice and soft.

PetiteRaleuse Thu 28-Mar-13 13:10:13

It's third or fourth on here : www.mumsnet.com/Talk/bloggers

It's because of my blog nothing to do with PetiteR grin

PetiteRaleuse Thu 28-Mar-13 13:19:27

You are joking vq ? I hate giving or taking medication. I question the need for every single prescription I or the girls get doctors hate me .

ValiumQueen Thu 28-Mar-13 13:24:56

No, I was saying you have been known to recommend the pr route as in 'per rectum', and I have a little giggle as those are your initials. <<worried I have offended face>>

PetiteRaleuse Thu 28-Mar-13 13:40:54

Ha ha ha I was wondering what the pr was supposed to mean. No offence taken. <worried> does everyone think I have a bum fetish now? grin

But as far as babies are concerned over here everything goes up the bum (well, not food, obviously) and it is so much easier. Last week when LO was prescribed the amoxycillin I was horrified to find out she had to driink it. And had no idea how to make that work until one of you lovelies suggested mixing with milk.

DD1 takes everything orally now and has done since about 15 months.

When I moved to Paris to be an au pair in the first family the youngest child was 10. I had to take her temperature one day and couldn't believe it when she expected it to be done rectally. At 10. I was only 18 and didn't even know that it could be done that way. I had to get the housekeeper to do it And the suppository too I was so embarassed. It was baptism by fire into French ways of doing medical stuff.

Arghhh, i've had enough. Can I send her back please?

All she's done today is scream, cry, winge and throw up on me three times, one of them down my neck. She shattered and needs a nap but won't go down.

I feel absolutely exhausted.

Thank God it's Easter and DH is home for four days. I think i'm going to let him look after her for a day (apart from feeding) so I can do exciting things like housework and move a mattress in to the nursery so she can move to her cot. It's a sad state of affairs when you look forward to doing housework uninterrupted smile

PetiteRaleuse Thu 28-Mar-13 13:43:07

Open any French fridge and you can expect to be confronted with a whole array of up the bum meds grin

BigPigLittlePig Thu 28-Mar-13 13:46:04

PR I have chuckled once or twice freakin' loads over the pr route of meds alongside your name...they do use up-bum meds loads more over there, and it's a much more efficient way of delivering a lot of drugs. We only use it here for paracetamol for kids in hospital (rarely) and anti-inflammatories post-C section. Not much else. People make this face ---> shock or this one ---> hmm when you suggest it.

F managed 1hr 40 for her nap, v proud. Fatima will tell F to send your LO her crash course in napping. Sorry to hear you're having a tough day.

ValiumQueen Thu 28-Mar-13 13:57:03

bp glad I was not the only one.

pr nowt wrong with a bum fetish, nowt at all. It is a very good method for medication. Years back I was on anti-inflammatories long term, and pr diclofenac is awesome. I agree it is a fab route for kids meds, especially if they are vomiting.

PetiteRaleuse Thu 28-Mar-13 13:58:17

Agh all you medical people taking my perfectly innocent username and twisting it into a twisted medical in joke grin .

From now on I will only answer to Petite or YourFabulousness grin and I will defend the use of suppositories on babies til my dying breath.

It does amuse me on MN when people go all hmm and blush about the post c-section one. You'll either be knocked out completely or won't be able to feel a thing, will have a catheter that someone will have looked very closely at your woo woo to insert, will possibly have been shaved by a stranger, and a whole lot of people have just opened you up and pulled a noisy little creature out and all this time you have been butt naked. If you've been in labour before the section complete strangers will have been sticking their hands in your fanjo and possibly having a good ol' rummage. And after all that people get embarassed about a pain killer?

Then again I have lived in France for a long time, and a good friend talks about bowel movements in her FB status updates so maybe I have been desensitised.

ValiumQueen Thu 28-Mar-13 14:01:28

J is still asleep. He went down at 11.15. He looks so peaceful. I have had to wake him the last two days, so we may be a tad late for baby clinic. I collected the px for the milk this morning, so there is no urgency.

So, plans for Easter? I have done nothing. I have bought nothing. Easter in my home as a child was all about suffering. Watching Jesus of Nazareth, and feeling the guilt was horrid as a small child. We never had eggs. We do not make a big fuss now, but we do have an egg hunt. Need to buy some really.

ValiumQueen Thu 28-Mar-13 14:04:39

I did call you petite for a while, but pr is quicker to type.

PetiteRaleuse Thu 28-Mar-13 14:06:56

Tomorrow while DD1 is at creche for the last time we are going to the British shop to stock up on pickled onion flavoured monster munch, pataks pastes and mini eggs. Then in the afternoon a pregnant friend is coming round and I am hoping she will empty my garage of baby clothes and promise faithfully to come every few months for more.

The rest of the weekend I will sit on my arse eating pickled onion monster munch and mini eggs until I burst. DD1 will have an easter egg but I'll do something like an egg hunt next year.

fruitpastilles Thu 28-Mar-13 14:12:01

I am so tired, S is asleep and I really should be getting on with the housework but I just can't be bothered. I'd love to have a nap myself but experience tells me as soon as I shut my eyes she will open hers. I may just veg in front of the telly with a mini creme egg.

fruitpastilles Thu 28-Mar-13 14:12:46

Mmmm I haven't had pickled onion monster munch for years, they used to be my fave!

Passmethecrisps Thu 28-Mar-13 14:28:59

Why. Does. My. Baby. Not. Like. Eating??

PetiteRaleuse Thu 28-Mar-13 14:33:00

Food or milk?

Passmethecrisps Thu 28-Mar-13 14:39:30

Milk PR. She shows categorically no interest in solid food yet.

She seems to have decided that she only wants 5 bottles a day. That would be fine if she took more than a few mouthfuls. She has just screamed blue murder because I had the audacity to presume that she might be hungry 4 hours after her last bottle.

She does have a cold so maybe she just doesn't feel like it.

I could live without a sodding battle every time though.

Passmethecrisps Thu 28-Mar-13 14:41:10

fruit do vegging. As soon as I shut my eyes P whimpers

PetiteRaleuse Thu 28-Mar-13 14:42:52

LO was like that when she had her ear infection, which followed on from a cold. Do you think she is in pain when she screams? Does she have a temperature?

Passmethecrisps Thu 28-Mar-13 14:48:47

No temperature that I can tell. I did wonder yesterday if she might be in pain. I gave her calpol, waited half an hour and she downed a full 6 oz. the problem is she only takes about 22oz in a day anyway. She just seems massively disinterested. I have no idea what her hungry noise is anymore because she just doesn't do one.

PetiteRaleuse Thu 28-Mar-13 14:53:24

The four days before LO's eardrum perforated her only real symptom was no interest in food and general fussiness. No fever. Only relieved by paracetamol and after a dose she would eat. Even took her to the doctor and there was nothing to remark. Then the next morning she was better but had gunk right round her ear and she has been fine since, though on medication til yesterday. Ear infections are common after a cold. Would it be worth having her checked out? What you are describing does sound very similar.

StuntNun Thu 28-Mar-13 14:54:33

Izzy the plan to feed more in the day time to reduce night feeding is a good 'un, shame it isn't working. My suggestion (please feel free to ignore if you don't like it) would be to let him go hungry at night so that he will be hungry when you want him to be. Perhaps after 2 or 3 a.m. you could only offer him cooled boiled water so that by 7 a.m. he is ready for a proper feed. It would mean one bad morning but it sounds like you're having that anyway. My suggestion for naps would be to get him to nap by any means possible. Would he sleep in the car seat for half an hour while you were out? Or go for a long walk with him in the pram? Or would he nap in the sling? Basically do anything to get him to sleep during the day do that he isn't overtired at nighttime.

My new plan for sorting out my J is...

Feeding Feed him on a schedule of 7 am, 11, 2 pm, 5 (EBM), 7.30, 10.30 and 2.30 am or as near to those times as manageable. After his 10.30 dream feed I will not feed him until after 1.30 am so any other wakenings I will offer cooled boiled water then dummy and cuddle back to sleep. After that I will not feed him before 6 am. Hopefully this will lead to him taking enough at each feed to last him a longer time but I will burp him or change his nappy to get him to feed for longer if I think he hasn't taken enough.

Sleeping Nap times are 9 to 9.30 am and noon to 2 pm. If he falls asleep in the afternoon I won't let him sleep any later than 5 pm. Naps will preferably be in his cot in a darkened room but I will do anything to make sure he gets a good sleep, i.e. dummy, cuddling or sleeping on me.

Once the above plan is established I will start sleep training to get him to go to sleep by himself in his cot. I will try different methods such as shush-pat or pick up-put down but I think it will be easier to sleep train him once he is used to going to sleep at those times of day as he will be primed to sleep. After this I will decide whether to try and get him to drop the night feed. I will continue the dream feed until either he won't take it or he is getting substantial quantities of solids during the day.

ChunkyEasterChick Thu 28-Mar-13 14:55:54

Sometimes ear infections make it hurt to swallow pass so they refuse milk.

Passmethecrisps Thu 28-Mar-13 15:02:31

Hmm. chunky and pr you chaps might be on to something. I wondered yesterday if she had a sore throat as it seemed like it was sore to swallow.

Right. I shall calpol her when she wakes from her nap and see if she takes anything. She never seems to get a temperature and actually always sits on the cool side temp wise.

MissMummy1 Thu 28-Mar-13 15:03:14

Stunt I am printing off your schedule as we speak. I need to start getting strict with M during the day as she is taking the piss come bedtime. She is also going into her own room tonight with a mattress on the floor for neurotic mummy as her room is much darker and quiter than ours. She is better when dp is on nights or in the spare room so I have decided he is unsettling her.

meals SIL worships her big brother fuck knows why, he cant stand her so doubt anything I say will change her opinion. She needs to see it for herself. sad

MsJupiterJones Thu 28-Mar-13 15:08:52

Crikey. Just read 414 messages. L is napping as is DH and ILs have gone for a walk with L's cousin (22mo).

Shelley v sorry to hear about your dad. Wishing you and your family all the best. It is hard to give formula when you are bf but it is absolutely fine and you are just doing your best at a stressful time.

Eliza well done on the weight gain. So glad things are improving. I had L weighed on Tues and he has hit the 2nd centile! So exciting.

VQ what a rude woman at the school. Your baby is gorgeous and bouncing. I can only dream of 98th centiles. I get sick of the 'isn't he tiny' comments too.

I have always thought it unfair that lady parts don't have a low-key, child-friendly alternative. I suppose 'bits' is an easy way to talk about male or female genitals in terms of bathtimes or illness? But other than that I agree we need a catch-all term. Fou fou (or frou frou?) reminds me of the Ben Elton sketch if anyone recalls that. I love the MN preference 'fanjo' but DH does not.

So the plane journey was feckin' awful. Big delays due to freak weather in Dublin, baby wide awake as soon as we boarded, scratchy during flight and then screamed like a banshee as soon as we started descent until after we landed. Continuously and unstoppably, despite dummy, breast etc, he must have been in pain poor thing. We got a lot of stares (some sympathetic) when everyone was getting off. Then discovered they'd left our case in London. Luckily we had the one with formula, meds etc but all his clothes etc were there. Anyway to be fair they had it delivered to our door last night so we are all ok now. Sleeping was not much different from usual, feeds at 9pm, 12m and 4.30am with a few wakings in between. We brought Ewan etc but L is very confused I think at all the new stuff he is having to process.

Passmethecrisps Thu 28-Mar-13 15:12:57

stunt that routine looks great. I really hope J falls into line.

Ladies, I have just looked at the NHS website for ear infections and she has every symptom apart from a temperature. She had diarrhoea yesterday and is certainly out of sorts.

Obviously this would happen on a holiday weekend! I will treat with calpol and cross my fingers. I know I can dose twice in 24 hours but what about nurofen? I don't think she is in that much discomfort but just in case I need to tide her over until we can see a doc.

Typical that we have a massively busy weekend

BigPigLittlePig Thu 28-Mar-13 15:15:07

pass I would ring gp today and try to get seen as an emergency today - better than to leave things to chance. If she needs antibiotics, then thee sooner the better x

Hope everyone is well.

I have a question for the more experienced mummies out there. The girls are are 6 months old tomorrow - eek!

I weaned them for a week on one meal of veg, then the second week has been two meals of veg & fruit, I plan to do three meals a day from next week with porridge oats, fruit & veg. My question is, can I introduce plain Greek yoghurt from 6 months ie: tomorrow? Also toast/bread, we make our own bread, when can they have that from? I am presuming the can have everything but honey and nuts from 6 months old but want to double check.

ChunkyEasterChick Thu 28-Mar-13 15:24:40

garden according to the NHS weaning booklet the HV gave me for DD says wheat & gluten is ok after 6mths, as is egg, fish, shellfish, soft cheese. Obviously whole nuts, honey & unpasteurised foods are to be avoided. I should think a full-fat plain yog is fine.

PetiteRaleuse Thu 28-Mar-13 15:40:25

If she eats after calpol pass that would indicate that she is somehow in pain so good to get her seen before the long weekend.

MadamGazelleIsMyMum Thu 28-Mar-13 15:42:21

Hello all. Not had time to catch up on news as posting quickly at work. I'm re-instating sweary Wednesday. Doing a KIT day and have had a fucking shite day. Got turned down for a promotion. Again. No promotion, no pay rise, returning to FT work to chase progression and money that isnt fucking happening, going to be fucking skint to put 2 kids in nursery from next month so I can work FT to benefit someone else, while I miss out on small people's early lives for no fucking forthcoming advancement. I also do a job that I cannot easily change employer, and cannot think of anything else which I am qualified to do which pays as well. I do like my job and I do like the people and I will get over this, but the month before I go back I could have done with some fucking validation, reward and encouragement, and not a fucking slap down angry sad [bursts into tears]

StuntNun Thu 28-Mar-13 16:09:28

<Sound of penny dropping> J's diarrhoea has cleared up three days after he started antibiotics for an ear infection. Idiot mummy.

I was in the same boat after I had DS2 Madam basically working to pay the nursery fees. It sucks but I did it knowing eventually my pay would go up a bit and my nursery costs would go down a bit when DS1 started school. Personally I think it's a very unpleasant reality of modern Britain where both parents have to work while paying someone else to look after their children. It's great for the government as they get three lots of income tax instead of only one for a family with one working parent and one stay-at-home parent.

MM watch out for your DH if you do put a schedule into place. My DH has fucked it up good and proper today: making me feed J when he was just whinging in the night, having him out at the park at feed time, and wandering in to the bedroom at nap time brightly patting him J on the tummy and blowing raspberries at him when I was trying to get him to sleep. Now he's feeding and sleeping off schedule so I'll have to skip the 5 pm bottle of EBM and give it at bedtime instead, and wake him after a short nap so he'll still go to sleep at bedtime. The bedtime routine is awesome by the way, it has given us our evenings back as J is asleep by 8.30 pm at the latest every day.

YellowWellies Thu 28-Mar-13 16:17:59

pass I've got earache and I think Jonas might have too - he's eating much less and much more squeaky. Though obviously he wanted to feed in front of the ticket collector on the train back from Edinburgh today! blush blush

He's been lovely today other than a new high pitched shriek - my sister had him in gales of belly laughs by blowing raspberries at him. I tried it. Tumbleweed. Traitorous little fecker!

Passmethecrisps Thu 28-Mar-13 16:21:07

That is shit madame I am sorry. I know exactly what you mean as I am also have to face having to give up aiming for the next stage. Everyone says all the right stuff but when push comes to shove someone else always gets the job. You will get there I am sure. I the meantime have some wine

Passmethecrisps Thu 28-Mar-13 16:23:20

Oh and we have an emergency appointment at 5pm. Poor P - all she wants to do is sleep. Not many smiles either.

YellowWellies Thu 28-Mar-13 16:32:29

Its shit you need two salaries to live in the UK. I blame the house price bubble - two wages are needed to pay for a roof over your head, that 30 years ago only required one. So babies are farmed out to nurseries staffed by strangers who may have struggled at school and who are paid minimum wage and are thus not really motivated to do tricky stuff like discipline. Mums are separated from their babies and made to feel guilty for it. Just so house prices stay high, and Daily Mail readers feel rich. It's one of the British nation's most idiotic traits - cheering as the cost of living rises! We don't cheer gas price hikes but more expensive housing - oh yes. Muppets! We're muppets. confused

ValiumQueen Thu 28-Mar-13 16:33:44

Good to hear it pass never be put off by holidays if your bubba needs seeing there is always out of hours service.

itsnotyouitsMeals Thu 28-Mar-13 16:36:27

Hugs madam. That's shit. It's awful feeling trapped. Can you talk to anyone there about why no promotion ? Do you have a mentor from a previous job?

mm well I hope she does see it as you need support by the sounds of it.

pass DD1 never gets temps. She also runs a bit cold temp wise and doesn't seem to feel the cold much. Hope you can get her seen.

PurplePidjin Thu 28-Mar-13 16:36:54

<<hug>> Madam, is it short term pain for long term gain as Stunt said? Can you afford to take a career break or go part time?

Stunt's reasoning is why our now fucked up plan was for dp to work and me stay home. Why should i bust a gut hunting for minimum wage childcare work while paying some teenage oik one else to care for mine?

Passmethecrisps Thu 28-Mar-13 16:38:05

<applauds YW>

The obsession with house ownership is horrendous. My parents have worked all their lives in manual jobs - my dad since 14 - and lived under the cloud of possible homelessness for 2 years due to the lack of council housing as he neared retirement. Now they are made to feel like thieves for having an extra room. It makes me boil.

ValiumQueen Thu 28-Mar-13 16:38:39

I was a bit sad today as a house identical to ours is for sale fixed price £10,000 less than we paid for ours 6 years ago. I guess house prices do not matter unless you are buying or selling.

I am beginning to worry about how we will manage financially while I am off. Thinking perhaps I should go back sooner, but with three kids in childcare in would not make things any easier. I will never get promotion at my place, so retraining is a real option for me. I must find out more.

YellowWellies Thu 28-Mar-13 16:47:22

I should say that sods law, there will be the mother of all house price crashes soon, given that we are about to complete on our new house next Friday. Nearly 1/5th of a million pounds for a family home - which will work out at just under £600k to repay over the lifetime of the mortgage once you include compounded interest.

Wah no wonder bankers pushed the house price credit bubble - we all repay £3 for every £1 borrowed the lifetime of a loan - they're the ones who really benefitted from high prices - until folks being unable to join the ponzi (by prices being so out of whack to wages) nearly wrecked them.

Can you spot my soapbox rant topic? blush

Passmethecrisps Thu 28-Mar-13 17:06:26

You should come round our way VQ. Many of our neighbours are likely to be in massive negative equity. If we want another baby we will need to move but we could only do that if we at least get back what we paid for our house. The real stinger is that we were sold it under the guise of 'affordable housing'

Kyzordz Thu 28-Mar-13 17:09:31

Do these things not have a mute switch? This incessant whine is like nails down a chalk board!

<runs off to catch up on Fred>

MissMummy1 Thu 28-Mar-13 17:14:41

I worked out if I was to go back to work FT, thay by the time we had paid childcare and transport I would be left with about £150 a week. I can earn the same doing 5 hours tutoring around his hours and be around for M the rest of the time. I am very fortunate.

The flipside of this is we will struggle like fuck to get a mortgage, and if I leave him I will be left with nothing. Scandalous given I was the main breadwinner until last June angry

BigPigLittlePig Thu 28-Mar-13 17:18:12

This is why I want dh to get another job. I have no choice but to work FT, to me it makes perfect sense for him, as the lesser earner, to move to another, equally paid, job with better hours - we would save probably £300 a month in childcare, he would get to see F more, plus he hates his current job. Will he even consider it? Will he fuck.

YellowWellies Thu 28-Mar-13 17:29:04

We're lucky DH's salary has doubled in 3 years due to judicious job hopping, relocating to Orkney and the rise of offshore renewable energy development. Sheer luck (and his hard work for us) basically. It means I don't need to go back to work. I am however going to do 1-2 days per week freelance when the bear is weaned to keep my hand in, for some child free time and to be able to splash out on my eBay addiction blush we are so lucky to have this choice. It makes me angry that all mothers don't have the luxury of choice. sad

MissMummy1 Thu 28-Mar-13 17:48:49

I tell a lie, on my current teaching scale and cost of childcare in this area it would be even less than this. sad

PetiteRaleuse Thu 28-Mar-13 17:56:21

Hope it went ok pass

Lookingnforward to hearing how Detective and chasing meetup went.

And luis and pidg ?

ValiumQueen Thu 28-Mar-13 18:07:26

Note to self - do not let boy sleep for 3 hours at lunch time EVER again.

StuntNun Thu 28-Mar-13 18:12:57

Oh dear VQ, what happened?

Izzybuzzybuzzybees Thu 28-Mar-13 18:18:47

Uh oh that doesn't sound good vq

J had a normal feed today! A 30minute one! We shall see when he feeds again but that is way better than the 30second feeds the past few days!

ValiumQueen Thu 28-Mar-13 18:19:05

It has thrown him completely out. Silly me. Had to feed him to sleep just now as he got overtired and could not settle. He just looked so peaceful...

His feeding will now all be out of sync too.

I am so tired today. I didn't actually go to HV in the end. I will go to clinic next week.

ValiumQueen Thu 28-Mar-13 18:39:10

He has woken in a better mood thank fuck. He is straining.....hoping he will have a poo today.

I have decided applying to do HV course this year is putting too much pressure on me. I will aim to start Sept 2014, so will work out a plan to achieve that.

PetiteRaleuse Thu 28-Mar-13 18:46:50

Sounds like a good plan vq

Longer term realistic goals better than hurried unachievable ones. Easier to take baby steps than huge fuck off leaps

PurplePidjin Thu 28-Mar-13 18:52:03

The Great Lymington Meetup is a week tomorrow smile

I'd love to have £150 a week, it'd feel like a fortune

fruitpastilles Thu 28-Mar-13 18:57:29

If I went back full time after childcare costs I'd be left with about £200 a month! No point whatsoever, I'm fortunate enough to not have to go back as well, dp luckily has just got a promotion so we can manage on one wage, just.
It would grieve me to work all month just to pay childcare.
As much as I love the idea of being a sahm, I will miss being out at work and grown up conversation every day.

ValiumQueen Thu 28-Mar-13 18:57:42

We have poo!

ChunkyEasterChick Thu 28-Mar-13 19:00:10

House prices piss me off. As a teacher & a civil servant (who used to be based in London) we should be able to afford a fantastic house etc. However, given house prices in the SE, our "forever home" is a 3 bed soul-less sixties semi in need of a fair bit of work for just over £1/5mill. If we wanted a better "quality" one of the same size (I.e. single storey rear extension that most of these properties have now) it would have cost £1/4mill. A few years back, a £250k would have bought you a very naice house indeed... Thankfully the house is in a good area, on the doorstep of a currently good primary school, my parents, my Dsis, the local free preschool, a library, shops, good transport links and we can afford it with me working 3 days a week. But still angry that my reasonably good wage is effectively devalued by the expensive house prices & cost of living dahrn sarff <adopts own non-posh accent & tries to pretend its not real...>

PetiteRaleuse Thu 28-Mar-13 19:00:44

Congratulations ! No need to shove anything up anywhere after all.

ValiumQueen Thu 28-Mar-13 19:12:05

There was blood sad only a bit, and not surprising really. It was not a hard poo, just formed. He has never done a proper formed poo. It was green. He did not cry. Hopefully his system will adjust. It has been a big change.

HerRoyalFuckingAwesomeHighness yes, indeed grin

ChasingDaisy Thu 28-Mar-13 19:30:29

Haven't had time to catch up on thread yet, but had a lovely day with Detective and O smile. Both O's were perfectly behaved and adorable all day smile. Off to bed soon as am shattered.

Oh, Detective I found your wipes!

Passmethecrisps Thu 28-Mar-13 19:38:24

Lovely chasing! I hope there are pics

Penelope has a sore throat and is fighting a viral infection. Keep calpoling basically. I am a tiny bit annoyed as I ha her at same doc last Friday for a rash on her chest. He shrugged his shoulders and said eczema. Today he strips her and says "oh! Have you noticed this rash? Looks like a viral rash to me" I just said "yes. I was in with it last week and it was eczema then"

Anyway. After a dose of calpol she is as happy as larry so hopefully she can fight it off quickly. She has had that rash for a fortnight though.

Passmethecrisps Thu 28-Mar-13 19:40:02

Hooray for poo VQ!

Weirdly all the time P had solid poo there was no blood. Now she has liquid poo and she makes her little pooper bleed! I think the lady doth strain too much

YellowWellies Thu 28-Mar-13 19:49:17

Good comeback pass is it me or is it only ever the shittest GP in the practice who ever has short notice / emergency appointments envy

ValiumQueen Thu 28-Mar-13 20:04:13

YW there is a reason for that. You just said it. There is an ace doctor at my practice and people will wait weeks to see him.

daisychain76 Thu 28-Mar-13 20:10:33

Yay for rolling fruuit and sleep piikz.

Tits l hope your day was ok.

I am very thankful Dh has just got an interview for a job that is a bit better money and much better hours.

I am liking BLW at the moment ~ he has so far only had. maybe 2 actual tastes, but think he has cottened on he can get lots of fussing if he puts stuff to his mouth.
Garden l gave him toast fingers this week and am planning on giving him some of that Rachels organic yogurt for kids next week.

I am thankful house prices are not too horrendous here (oop north). I trained as a solicitor in London and always remember at the time l was moving back to the north my boss was buying a car which actually cost more than the 2 bed terrace l was buying with dh!

Lily311 Thu 28-Mar-13 20:12:16

Help!! Any plumber out there?? My washing machine doesn't drain or spin. Ot's full of nappies and I don't know what to do. It's a washer-dryer and doesn't have a filter at all. Will the nappies get damaged if they stay in the water all night? Or shall I open the door and flood my kitchen? Arghhh.

House prices don't make me angry but mortgages do. And banks. It supposed to be good debt but when mortgage companies change their terms and conditions and you have to accept them, you have no choice. That makes me upset. A year ago today the plan was to take 6 months maternity and go back to work in May so I do know how hard it is for most of you financially. As it stands now I will take a year maternity and go back to work part time after-mostly working from home while O sleeping. I am also planning to set up my own business at some point.

Can't wait to hear the details of the meeting chasing and detective.

Passmethecrisps Thu 28-Mar-13 20:28:50

Is the drum wonky lilly? If you were doing a load of mixed items - some very heavy and some light - the drum can become unbalanced. Take everything out and put a small amount of similarly weighted items back in and try to spin. We have a washer drier and it has happened to us

Passmethecrisps Thu 28-Mar-13 20:30:20

Oh. And you'll need to pile towels in front of the door

Passmethecrisps Thu 28-Mar-13 20:32:36

See the thing is YW that I really like the guy. He is weird and I like weird. But his weirdness and slightly slack approach to actual diagnosis was fine when it was just me. When it is my child it is less endearing.

He gave me a list of 'alarming' symptoms - one was a rash and another was a loss of appetite hmm

Lily311 Thu 28-Mar-13 20:39:59

Not wonky at all. It is half full. With lots of water. It just skips the draining and spinning and finishes the program. Even if I just put spinning on, it doesn't do anything just jumps on finishing the program after 5 min.

Catbag Thu 28-Mar-13 20:45:10

Lily- a lot of washers have a drain for exactly this issue. Is there some sort of flap at the bottom of the washer? Most of my machines have had a pull up or off flap with a kind of tap behind it. You can then pull out the tap (with a small pipe attached to it) and drain it into a bucket iyswim?

Catbag Thu 28-Mar-13 20:46:44

I hope that made sense hmm

Lily311 Thu 28-Mar-13 20:49:35

It doesn't. I think it's because it's a washing machine/tumble dryer together. I leave it overnight and make a decision tmrw.

Evilwater Thu 28-Mar-13 20:50:34

Wow 19pages, I have alot to catch up on.
Tattoo done, and looks wonderful. I was so tired, I fell asleep on the chair.Oops.
It's been sunny here, so I've been out for a walk and I am very unfit! Us it doesn't help that I've just eaten my Easter egg.
Been weaning N, and it's been a joy. His poo has gone all tar/ dark green. I hope it's normal. I've got some cod to purée , I hope that goes down well.

Right off for a tea then bed.

Passmethecrisps Thu 28-Mar-13 20:54:25

Just sought DH's opinion on the washing machine lily. Seconds catbag's thought about the tap - ours has one apparently!

Does it have a screen which shows error codes? When ours became unbalanced it wasn't overfull but had towels and a sheet. Apparently the weight of the towels unbalanced the drum. Apparently it is very common - I had never heard of such a thing though.

PennieLane Thu 28-Mar-13 20:56:17

fatima it sounds like we have had v similar days. Bring back my nice quiet placid baby. Does this shrieking go on till they learn to talk hmm

Would most people choose to be a SAHM if they could? I might have that choice due to redundancy payout but I can't decide if it would be career suicide.

Lily311 Thu 28-Mar-13 20:56:40

This doesn't have a screen at all, it's an old style one although only 5 years old. Digged out instructions but not helpful. Might ask neighbour tmrw.

Passmethecrisps Thu 28-Mar-13 20:57:47

Actually lily ours doesn't have a door but the whole bottom should pull off. DH just had a go at ours to see how to get it off as he said "she needs to pull like a bastard". Apparently inside there is a tap thing like the cap of a sports bottle. What make is it?

Lily311 Thu 28-Mar-13 20:58:45

pennie, no, I wouldn't. I am taking a year off but will do something after. I want to spend as much time with O as possible but for my own sake I will need to work part time.

Passmethecrisps Thu 28-Mar-13 21:03:28

pennie I am going back to work full time and DH will take on the main carer role. We will have nursery hopefully 3 days and DH on 2. I have a full time, well paid job which is my vocation. DH, well, doesn't. He is better suited to a flexible working environment. It actually suits us better for him not to be employed initially as he is worth more to us at home than in a job he doesn't want. Should he find a job he likes then we will be able to afford full time childcare. I love being a mum more than I could ever imagine but I have been defined by my job for 13 years. I can't just stop.

Each to their own. I have such massive respect for anyone who has ever made a baby because from what I can tell thus far every single other aspect of your life becomes emotional and complex

Passmethecrisps Thu 28-Mar-13 21:07:40

Oh, and I will be going back in August.

Evilwater Thu 28-Mar-13 21:12:17

House prices are crazy. It took us forever to get a mortgage, and we really had to fight.

Nursey fees are crazy. Basically I would spend all my money on childcare, when I'm back to work. I got the numbers somewhere, but as a band 2 HCA. I'm fucked! ( thank you goverment)

Washing machine... Errrr..... Not a sausage. Bucket?


daisychain76 Thu 28-Mar-13 21:23:53

Ooh, don‘t get me started on morrtgages. Couldn‘t find a single mortgage company who‘d accept a 3 year, guaranteed phd bursary as income.

l would love to be a sahm if l had the money. Though l think l‘d always do some sort of study or volunteer work or something just for me. Have a friend whose daughters are 13 and 10. She is a sahm. Her house is immaculate, she spends loads of time seeking out bargains in. shops/online and actually empties her ironing pile each wreek. l always feel a bit jealous, but on the other hand l think l would get a bit bored after a couple of weeks.

Bit worried l seem to have developed an infected cyst now drs are closed til Tuesday...

BigPigLittlePig Thu 28-Mar-13 21:38:51

For reference for those with poorly little ones, have a squizz at p16 of this - so long as your LO has mostly green symptoms, with the odd amber one, you can be reasonably confident that they are not seriously ill. We used this tool a lot in general practice.

Not sure what went wrong tonight - F has only just gone to sleep, 2 hours later than usual. Would love for that to mean she sleeps through, but suspect she will have other ideas.

I will be going back to work full time, would prefer part time but it's not an option. I love work but will miss F more than I can even imagine at the moment. It breaks my heart to know that I will see her so little.

Passmethecrisps Thu 28-Mar-13 22:15:56

Sorry - massively off topic but I have just watched the last episode of series 4 Dexter. WTAF?!?!!

ValiumQueen Thu 28-Mar-13 22:18:35

daisy NHS Direct/24. That is what they are there for do not wait until Tuesday.

I would be a SAHM if I could, but pick up the odd nursing shift, or study. No chance of that ever happening. I would love to go part time. I will be going back full time in September.

Well, that was a fun evening. DH working late, DD2 home from nursery early as unwell, threatening to vomit at any moment. My tummy is a bit funky, so I have had to go to the loo about a dozen times, J had his poo, and was very grumpy leading up to it. DD1 also feeling sick. Trying to settle J in his cot whilst running downstairs to attend to sick girls, running back up to settle screaming baby, and repeat several times. I had to bring J down as I could not do it. DH comes home, and says 'ooh, a slumber party'. I was less than charitable.

ValiumQueen Thu 28-Mar-13 22:22:33

pass he he he! Good eh? I loved that episode! Really got me as did not see that coming.

ValiumQueen Thu 28-Mar-13 22:26:15

bp when the time comes to leave her, you will get used to it. The time you do have together becomes really precious quality time. The time you have apart will help you as an individual. It becomes quite easy to put your professional head on once you have done the daycare drop off. The hard but is when they are unwell and you need to decide whether to go to work or stay with them. I hate being torn between my babies and my clients, but my babies will always win.

daisychain76 Thu 28-Mar-13 22:37:17

Thanks vq but do they just give advice or can they do perscriptions? Hope the VQ household recovers quickly.

ValiumQueen Thu 28-Mar-13 22:40:28

Free to a good home. 42 year old male. Good with children, so long as they are not ill, hungry, in need of dressing or changing or indeed watching. Driving licence, but it is my fucking car, house trained unless pissed, can cook and wash up but chooses not to. Can be grumpy between the hours of 00.00 and 23.59. Good in bed, but cannot make or change the fucking thing. Particularly gifted in burping and farting. Makes beautiful fat babies.

Kyzordz Thu 28-Mar-13 22:41:21

Dont envy you vq. I'm struggling with one whist feeling crap. Doing dream feed trying not to throw up on him. Wondering how it'll work if I do have to be sick and he needs me urgently at that exact time worrier much

Have been reading but feeling crappy so haven't posted/followed everything very well. Hope you all have good nights smile

ValiumQueen Thu 28-Mar-13 22:43:15

Thank you daisy they assess you over the phone and if necessary get you seen by OOH GP. You would likely need to go to a clinic. They can give a prescription and tell you duty pharmacy etc.

Passmethecrisps Thu 28-Mar-13 22:52:04

Just got out of bed and rummaged around my eyeball for ages trying to take out my contact lense.

I wasn't wearing my contact lenses today.

kirrinIsland Thu 28-Mar-13 23:17:40

I keep thinking I've caught up and then I hit refresh and a million more posts appear.

tits hope you have been ok today.

pass grin

VQ hope everyone is better soon.

I am going back part time in May. For me it's the best of both worlds - as much as I love my girls I do not have what it takes to be a SAHM. I do know I'm lucky to have the choice of part time though.

Going to attempt a transfer. Another night like last night would be great, but I'll not get my hopes up!

Night all.

Izzybuzzybuzzybees Thu 28-Mar-13 23:45:47

Oh dear pass ouch!

J is asleep. I'm away to bed. I'm hoping for a good night but don't hold out much hope. At least DH is off for 4 days now

TheDetective Fri 29-Mar-13 00:19:04

I am home! It has taken me 2 fucking hours to catch up on here!

Lovely day meeting Chasing and the super little Oscar! Long journey ignores fact it was my own fucking fault for going the wrong fucking way. For 25 miles. but worth the trek! O slept the majority of the way there, I woke him for a feed mid way, but he went back to sleep after!

O was a star - both were! We had no meltdowns ignores the one on the way home for 30 miles of screaming til I got to some services to stop in and take him out the seat, only for him to poo then sit back in his seat cuddling a coke bottle?!. There were plenty of smiles and chattering from both!

I'm not sure I actually shut up for more than, oooh, 3 seconds. Who'd have thunked it eh?!

I love your place chasing, tis beautiful. envy But where the fuck were those wipes? Good job I took some! 2 poos today. How privledged!

I came home to a very clingy DP, and a fairly pristine house! He even washed the bedding, ironed it, put it back on, and put the lights around the bed so the bed looks rather inviting. grin I wonder what he could want....hmmmm?!

I did the dream feed chasing. Actually, it was less dreamy than I imagined, given he woke the fuck up on arrival home! Still, he took it, and went in the cot happily! I am hoping. Hoping, praying, and performing charms over the cot!

PR Sometimes I suspect we are one. That is how I feel about swearing. I have no problem using it in day to day language, but swearing aggressively at someone unless it is at another driver safely behind locked car doors! is not something I would do. But asking where the fuck the remote is. That's fine. grin

Speaking of other drivers. I saw about 8 near misses today. Idiot drivers, doing idiot things. Saw a few cars doing the lane change, both in to middle lane, and almost hitting each other. I hate that. Also, I was in the outside lane, overtaking a line of 4 cars, I was doing 70mph. When I started the manoeuvre, there were no cars behind me. As I passed the second car, a van changed from the middle lane and came right up my arse, and flashed his fucking lights. And signaled at me to move over. There were lots of sweary words and hand gestures from me grin. I'm not sure he had ever encountered such verociousness from a woman grin. I excelled myself thanks to sweary wednesday!.

Where the fuck he thought I could move over to, I have no idea. But just because he wanted to travel at 100mph, does not give him the fucking right to drive so close to my bumper that I see the inside of his fucking nose, and smell his fucking farts. And flashing was like a red rag to a bull.

I have serious road rage all the time occasionally. blush

PurplePidjin Fri 29-Mar-13 00:28:37

First feed. After his 3 hour cluster feed/sleep refusal this afternoon I'd hoped for more than 4 hours sad

LuisGarcia Fri 29-Mar-13 00:39:26

L isn't well. She won't sleep anywhere except on me, day or night, at the moment. Which is lovely and I will look back on these times with fondness.


ChasingDaisy Fri 29-Mar-13 00:43:40

Detective they were on the floor under a cushion - d'oh! Told you you should have taken the whole packet wink

Glad you are home safe, I have everything crossed that O sleeps well for you tonight. Thank you SO much for making the trek to see me thanks

O is awake for his first feed - a 5 hour first stretch shock I'm not sure if this is due to lack of nappage and an exciting day today, or we are finally starting to get somewhere, as this is the second night in a row he has done 5 hours <counts chickens>

He is 4 months old now though, so we are due regression <stops counting chickens>

ShellyBobbs Fri 29-Mar-13 00:46:32

Hello everyone. My dad is already back to being a pain in the arse and should be home in a couple of days. I've also got over myself with the formula milk thing, Tommy had it but then had a massive feed off me when I got home. Hubby said he'd been brilliant the whole time, no problem at all; the eldest told me he had been uncharacteristically grumpy and only cheered up when I came in. grin Seems like I am appreciated after all.

Glad the meeting went well.

LuisGarcia Fri 29-Mar-13 00:49:00

Good, Shelly. Was Tommy uncharacteristically grumpy or dh?

ValiumQueen Fri 29-Mar-13 01:07:35

Three hours.

kirrinIsland Fri 29-Mar-13 02:09:32

Three hours here too.

StuntNun Fri 29-Mar-13 02:35:31

Three hours since dream feed. Woo yay. He's having a good long feed as well. Good thing too, he had to wait until after 6 a.m. for his next feed now <cruel mummy emoticon>

DH screwed up J's routine and I had to feed him between 4 and 5 instead of giving him the EBM. So since I wasn't going to feed him till 10:30 I got a glass of wine or three with dinner. Nom. Unfortunately I've now reached my two day drinking limit (had a low-alcohol real ale yesterday after J went to bed) so there's no booze over the weekend. confused

Kyzordz Fri 29-Mar-13 04:43:07

I'm here big only cos I can't even keep water down sad feel like death.

Kyzordz Fri 29-Mar-13 04:43:28

But, not big

PurplePidjin Fri 29-Mar-13 05:20:55

<<hug>> Kyz tiny sips, one every 2 minutes. Or suck an ice cube?

R has done 7:30-6 waking at 12 and 2:30 for half an hour each. With a proper 3 hours in the early morning, i actually feel rested. I don't understand though how even though he's next door with a cheap crap monitor i still wake up before he whimpers?!

MaMaPo Fri 29-Mar-13 05:22:48

Can someone else take my baby please? Awake every 30-60 minutes since 1am. Shattered.

ValiumQueen Fri 29-Mar-13 05:34:33

kyz try to get someone to give you dioralite today. Hope it soon passes x

po oh dear. Sorry you are having a shit night.

luis what is up with L?

J slept another 4 hours. I too wake before he does pp

Not been up to the girls at all. Can hear DD1 coughing, but DD2 is quiet so I need to check on her once J is fed. I cannot not feed him when he wakes. It quietens him and sends him back to sleep so I can too. I feel he is too wee and too new to this sleeping lark to not feed him. Besides, my milk will be ebbing away so he will be getting less.

Izzybuzzybuzzybees Fri 29-Mar-13 06:00:10

Crap night here that's all I can say

PetiteRaleuse Fri 29-Mar-13 06:17:33

Morning all. Off to the British shop today. Sorry if over the next few days I write far too many posts on the glory of monster munch, salt and vinegar squares, caramacs, Lilt and old jamaica ginger beer, but they ar all such rare treats.

StuntNun Fri 29-Mar-13 06:26:29

Oh no Kyz, have you got someone to look after you?

Growth spurt MaMa?

What happened Izzy? Frequent wakenings again?

I had just got J back to sleep after his 2 a.m. feed when in comes DS2 with a sore leg. He was Calpol'd and sent back to bed but he's up again now at 6.20 in the school holidays! J managed 10.30 - 2.20 - 6.15 from a feeding point of view which is great, but was awake and crying in the night too so I've still had far too little sleep. confused No chance of a nap with the other two off school.

ShellyBobbs Fri 29-Mar-13 06:44:22

Luis Tommy had been grumpy when I was away.

all I can say about last night is urgh! Really don't get what these frequent wakings are. Every hour! For over 2 weeks now. Thursday it was down to every 45 mins.

Hubby has just taken Tommy down and he said 'don't worry about sleep, I'll give hom some formula'. NO. WAKE ME UP (that's why I only bought 3 little ready made cartons). So the plan from now on is to pump, pump, pump so my lovely hubby can now be involved with the feeding finally. He also bathed him for the first time last night too, although my 11 year old son ran the bath for him (I will be proud to hand him over to the future Mrs Bobbs, he also understands different washer settings, empties bins and hopvers up too wink ).

Sophiathesnowfairy Fri 29-Mar-13 06:47:41

Am loving your stunt schedule hope you manage to go to plan today.

luis what a lovey way to look at it. I always have that thought after I have been annoyed at not being able to get up and do washing up/make tea/collect cramp off floor. I must try harder.

kyz I hope you feel better thanks

I am lying in bed at my SILs with the curtains wide open watching the sunrise over the Irish Sea.

Little O is having a Benny in his cot but I am giving him 10 mins as not sure if milk or more sleep. Same routine yest, woke at 5:45 tried milk, wrong thing put him backin cot he slept after 10 cross mins.

He is streaming with cold and think he is teething too so always hard to tell.

I am so happy with my lot. grin we had a lovely Anniversay night. We went to an Italian in a nearby town, had a great meal and really nice bottle of wine.

kirrinIsland Fri 29-Mar-13 06:49:33

kyzordz sorry you feel so awful sad Do you have someone to help you today?

Sorry for the crap nights too.

stunt sounds like you might be getting somewhere? 3 hours between his feeds is a good start, and once he gets used to his new schedule he should hopefully stop waking in between. Fx'd

Not too bad here. Not as good as yesterday, of course! Settled at 11 and woke at 2, 3.30 and now. The 3.30 was a bit annoying.

ShellyBobbs Fri 29-Mar-13 06:53:10

This phone is shit with it's bolloxing tiny stupid touch key keyboard.

Damon Albarn was on the Jonathan Ross show last night, that was a pleasant surprise for my tired old eyes. And phoar! Also dreampt I was at a Stone Roses concert (remember that fiasco when I was pregnant, had a ticket but 30 odd weeks pregnant) and 'bumped' into Ian Brown. I was also waiting outside to fight an Indian lad? Think the Indian lad came about because Danny Boyle was on telly = Slumdog plus someone from Skins was on who acted with the Slumdog actor. Think Ian Brown was with all the festival talk.

ShellyBobbs Fri 29-Mar-13 06:57:21

Why am I on here and not trying to sleep, there isn't a child within 2 meters of me?

Sorry you're feeling shit K you need a servant for the day.

PurplePidjin Fri 29-Mar-13 07:03:01

I can't count blush he slept 7:30- 5 with the two wakes, then back down at 5:15 til 6:30 i got a shag hurrah serves me right for checking my phone with my glasses on skewiff!!

Kyzordz Fri 29-Mar-13 07:06:38

Sorry to hear of crap nights sad

What is wrong with l, luis? Hope she's better soon

Thankyou for suggestions, I tried sips of water and they came back, not yet tried an ice cube. Last two times I was sick I hadn't had anything for hours and the water had already been back up so all that was there was the green stuff (stomach lining?) and blood. Surely there's fuck all left yet I am feeding e and fighting the urge to be sick. Whyyyy when there's nothing left!?!

My dp works nights and has not long got home, so he'll be dead to the world until this afternoon. Could ring DM or mil to help ill just feel guilty sad but he is a heavy boy and I have struggled to lift/hold him this morning so perhaps it's best someone else is around too

ChasingDaisy Fri 29-Mar-13 07:17:12

Sorry to hear of some rotten night's last night.

Kyz definitely try and get some help in today.

stunt that sounds like really good progress, you must be pleased smile

O slept 5 hours, then 4 and has now been sleeping on me for a further two. This is amazing.