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December 2012: 8 hour sleeps and chubby chops all round

(971 Posts)
WillYouDoTheBunnyHop Mon 25-Mar-13 21:08:25

New thread for us ladies

Checking in

FriendofDorothy Mon 25-Mar-13 22:11:03

The Little Mister took ages to go to sleep tonight. He was clearly knackered but refused to give in got hours.

In other news, I have a terribly sore wrist and have De Quervains tendonitis in it. The doc is talking about needing to do a steroid injection into it. It is so painful that picking up the baby is a nightmare which is horrid.

utopian99 Mon 25-Mar-13 22:29:04

Just marking.. O has been snuffly all day, used a baby nose clear on him which worked a charm and almost made me hurl
He's going to be 3 months in 2 days; my friend just Facebooked a photo of her dh bathing their week old in a tub and she's soooo cute. (Still totally in love with ds though)

ISpyPlumPie Mon 25-Mar-13 22:58:52

Just checking in.

FOD - that sounds nasty. Hope the dr can sort it for you soon.

PurplePidjin Tue 26-Mar-13 00:23:37


R has fed and slept well but the nappy i put on him at 6:15 was still dry at 11:45. I don't know whether to worry or not, he seems ok otherwise confused

Ouch FoD. I have a friend who has to have steroid injections in her elbows -not nice.

First wake up here, although he actually just had a massive coughing for so I swooped in and got him up confused

Ds is four months tomorrow shock

halesball Tue 26-Mar-13 01:16:01

Thank you for the new thread Willyou.

Yay Clarella, i hope you have a lovely time breastfeeding now grin

Wow Mama that must of been some letter, to get the refund grin

FOD that sounds painful, hope your ok.

Pidj for some reason H doesn't seem to wee alot of a night, maybe R is following suit grin

Spotty did you do the dream feed in the end or has DS managed a good sleep without it?

I didn't do the dream feed he went six hours confused I can't get back to sleep now though.

Pidj is he well otherwise? Soft spot not sunken? I can't remember what I've been told when dd's been ill it's either four hours or six hours. Sorry that isn't much help...

halesball Tue 26-Mar-13 01:21:20

Utopian, hope your DS is ok and not feeling to rubbish.

WL i agree with Mama, sleep worse here as well. So i'll jump on the solidarity bus grin

Got Heidi's 3 month pics taken today, the difference is amazing, she barely looks like the same baby. The photographer also took pics when she was 9 days old so she put a pic of then and now. Its hard to see the difference when your with them everyday but shes really changed. I can't wait for the disc to be edited and sent out grin typically she refused to smile as much as she normally does though ha.

halesball Tue 26-Mar-13 01:23:09

FX you get back to sleep soon spotty its so annoying when that happens xxx

halesball Tue 26-Mar-13 01:24:36

Oh and last message before i stop hounding the thread haha. I say go for it Honey, enjoy yourself trying and hopefully it'll happen soon for you. How exciting for you grin

PurplePidjin Tue 26-Mar-13 01:39:42

I normally do at least one nappy at night because he wees so much. Head is fine, I'm not sure where the soft spot is but can't feel any sunken bits? Second feed only an hour after he went down from the first angry

Secondsop Tue 26-Mar-13 02:29:47

Hello thanks for the new thread willyou

Last day in Australia today. We've just about recovered from the bug although my husband has to take immodium to get him through the flight. More than ready to go home now, if I'm honest. I miss my house and my cat.

IsThatTrue Tue 26-Mar-13 04:07:16

Thanks for the new thread willyou

Well last night DS decided that sleep is for wimps. He didn't sleep for more than 15 minutes total from 2.30-10. He's never been awake that long before. I ended up having to rock him to sleep while pacing the bedroom. Normally he just feeds to sleep. Not sure what was wrong but we're already on our third wake up since, so something is obviously not right poor thing!

EggsMichelle Tue 26-Mar-13 04:19:47

FoD that sounds nasty, do you need a brace?

We have had a terrible week for sleep, but finally we have gone 7-3 again. A bit of a monster to go back to sleep but think he's finally settled. Hope those having a sleep regression are reassured it doesn't last forever.

What are people's thoughts on cot bumpers? I'm sure I remember them being outlawed a few years ago, but they are still sold I'm shops. F appears to be loving the freedom of his cot, but bumped his head at 1am on the bars and was crying.

Furious with DHs work (grr NHS) he started his job full time on 11th feb, and he has been paid for the first time the equivalent of 5days work. And i have been paid £120 more than last month. What the hell is going on? They couldn't organise a piss up in a brewery.

MaMaPo Tue 26-Mar-13 05:00:43

Morning all.

C has woken and needed resettling at least hourly. Feeding now. So tired abs more scared of sleep regression than ever!

IsThatTrue Tue 26-Mar-13 05:50:34

eggs I managed to get a. 'Breathanle' cot bumper ford ds2 when he wouldn't sleep in the crib as it was too open. Ill look up the make, but it's mesh so doesn't restrict airflow. He's had this on since ~5 weeks.
So. So, tired! <yawn>

This is our second wake up. Not sure if he'll go back to sleep or not. Dd came in and I looked at her, poked dp and said 'dds awake' and dd went 'felix is awake too!' Well he is now hmm

Hope it's a pleasant flight for you seconds.

Sorry for all the rubbish sleep are they too young for the four month sleep regression? I'm expecting it any day as I'm not sure if it'll happen at his actual age or corrected age.

Pidj if he hasn't weed by now I'd see a dr but I'm sure he will have smile

Hmm ds seems to be asleep having hardly reduced the engorgement of my boob hmm

IsThatTrue Tue 26-Mar-13 05:51:25

Obviously being this tired and typing don't mix

<ahem> breathable!

Oh yes cot bumpers. They are supposed to be dangerous. The mesh ones IsThat advised are fine though. I had one for dd but not until she was over six months confused PFB grin

PurplePidjin Tue 26-Mar-13 06:04:22

Yes, one good soggy nappy about an hour after i posted. Dreadful night, think my regression only occurs on Tuesday as he sleeps adequately all other nights hmm

SeymoreInOz Tue 26-Mar-13 06:12:22

Tuesdays are always bad days for us, I don't know why. confused

DS had his 4 month jabs yesterday morning at 11am, it's now 5pm the following day and he's still burning up. Calpol isn't even touching the sides, did anyone else have this?

honey not sure if you'll read my post on the other thread but I have a friend who got pregnant while ebf her pfb, he was 4 months old when she conceived so it's definitely possible! grin

EggsMichelle Tue 26-Mar-13 07:12:36

Thanks IsThat, found them on amazon. Seymore do you have an nhs direct equivalent over there? Otherwise give your GP a call.

SeymoreInOz Tue 26-Mar-13 07:41:26

Thanks eggs I realised I've been being dim and dosing DS according to his age rather than his weight! I increased the last dose and his temp came right down and he's gone to sleep.

EggsMichelle Tue 26-Mar-13 07:45:52

That's great Seymore, I make formula according to F's size, but would never have thought to give calpol according to size, it makes so much sense!

ISpyPlumPie Tue 26-Mar-13 08:36:53

Not a great night here either - v snuffly boy and blocked nose was stopping him feeding in the night. Managed to sort it eventually with the cleaner, but he was so upset and frustrated that he kept moving around making it harder. Just hope it clears soon as it's really not nice for him, and I don't fancy another night like that.

itsMYNutella Tue 26-Mar-13 08:39:09

Thanks for the new thread Willyou.

Thanks for the nappy tips pidj and stacks I have contacted the nappy lady and need to spend some time going over her recommendations.... I want ones that don't involve too much faffing because DP isn't keen and needs a bit of convincing. Also I like the idea of flushable liners so there isn't too much poo smell lingering in the flat smile

Hmm ds is refusing a nap this morning.... I need him to sleep so I can bake sad

Barbeasty Tue 26-Mar-13 08:47:17

Honey no problems really. It took 6 months, vs 1 with DD, but that could have been for so many reasons. Again though, DD was about 16 months when we started TTC so was not having as much milk.

Stacks Tue 26-Mar-13 09:05:26

Better night here last night, unsettled between 8 and 10 - sleeping but only with me there, very still, and nipple reinserted often. Then woke at 12:15, 3:15, 5:40 and 6:30 got him up at 7, and had a shower etc before DH left for work.
I've cracked daytime naps I think terrified of jinxing it. 5 minutes of pushing in the pram in front of the Juno soundtrack. It's been working every time since I started that method on Sunday. However naps are only about 30m each time, and he's tired and grumpy again within about an hour of waking up. If I take him to bed with me instead we get 3 hour nap on the nipple.
I've started a spreadsheet of naps, food and nappies. Trying to see if he has a natural pattern of sleeping and eating. I have to keep track of his nappies too, as he doesn't care if he's wet, and I can forget to change him and go over 5 hours the recommended 3 hours between changing.

Sorry to hear about sleep regressions. I was reminiscing last night about DS and his sleep at 8 weeks 4+4 hours, then maybe another 2 in the morning. Easy to put in his crib and slept fine in it. Oh to be there again!

Seymour hope LO is better today?

Glad you had a better night stacks.

I can't make cake because I'm out of sugar sad so annoying. Ds has finally gone to sleep 20 minutes so far...

FriendofDorothy Tue 26-Mar-13 09:35:35

I do have a brace for my wrist but it isn't helping too much sad

We have one of these cot bumpers. It's lovely.

WillYouDoTheBunnyHop Tue 26-Mar-13 09:49:41

You poor thing FoD hope the injections helps sad

Sorry to all the non sleepers but after a 6:30-7:30 wake up we went back to sleep til 9 shock.

I couldn't sleep last night for worrying about work and I don't even go back til jan. I just have such a long commute that I'm never going to see him. DP will never earn enough for me to give up and he's looking at a pay cut if he moves jobs soon. Come on lottery win!

WillYou can you go part time? I'm not going back but I'm panicking about having enough money. Ideally I will need another job but not sure what I'm going to do...

WillYouDoTheBunnyHop Tue 26-Mar-13 10:12:11

I am going to ask for 4 days I think. I am the main bread winner by a long way and I dropped to 4 days while pregnant (work was struggling) and we managed but we now have the added expense of a baby. I think I need to do a proper budget and work out what we need each month

You'll be amazed what you can live on. We used to struggle on two full time wages pre dd blush but since we've had her and I'm only part time we have more money left over. It's definitely down to budgeting

itsMYNutella Tue 26-Mar-13 10:42:53

Willyou like spotty says you'll be amazed where and how you can make savings. Since I moved here I haven't been able to earn as much as I would like and so DP's wage has stretched to pay for us, now a baby and a slightly bigger flat. I'm one of our kids and things were tight when we were kids but although I remember being told lots of things were too expensive I do remember having a great time smile until all the adultery and messy divorce anyway

stacks shock there is a recommended 3 hours? I have looked for a recommendation but didn't find one anywhere (I also asked the midwife and she didn't seem bothered about it). DS has been very lucky and not had nappy rash but I tend to change him when he feeds /every 4-5 hours. Except overnight, then he stays in his nappy unless there is a definite smell or he seems genuinely bothered by it.

Not sure what is happening on the sleep front confused DS is still napping in the day, although perhaps not as much as he should... But has brought his bedtime forward by almost an hour (was 9pm now 8pm ish) but then wakes about 01:30 and feeds briefly before we both fall back to sleep and then he feeds properly at about 03:30 and again at about 06:30.
We put him into his own cot at the end of our bed when he first goes to sleep and then after that I have him in with me because I'm too lazy to get up
But it's annoying because he is conducting orchestras in his sleep waves his arms around and sometimes rolls his head from side to side and wakes me up <selfish mummy> even though he isn't hungry.
He used to sleep 10pm ish (when he finally went to sleep after feeding) until almost 4am and it was great! It was generally about 5hours solid sleep... Where has it gone and why?

Nurses in SCBU said nappies can goes six hours these days. I change ds when I remember every 2-5 hours depending on what we're doing and if he poos etc and he has same nappy for 13 hours overnight...

Nutella 8pm until 1:30 is 5.5 hours sleep you just need to go to bed at eight too grin

itsMYNutella Tue 26-Mar-13 10:56:53

spotty <phew> im not a slatternly mother! hurrah wink thank you.
I take him to bed and feed him then he goes to sleep at about 9 and I usually then get myself ready for bed and go to bed about 10.

WillYouDoTheBunnyHop Tue 26-Mar-13 11:18:49

I change the amazing weey baby every 3 or he leaks in the day but at night he does 12-13h in a size 3 pampers and is fine.

11oz in one week! Yay! Force feeding obviously worked well. Now he'll be okay until his last injections 2 weeks today and he'll be I'll again hmm

Budget it is then, we do waste so much money on food especially at the minute.

Stacks Tue 26-Mar-13 13:00:46

Nutella the recommendation is every 2-4 hours I think for cloth nappies. It's mostly just from the manufacturers, but also baby tends to be wetter when they do wet, as there's no chemicals to 'lock away moisture' like the pampers adverts say. He's fine going as long as he does, doesn't have a rash or anything.
T is also conducting an orchestra in his sleep recently. Usually right in the middle of the night. He's asleep as far as I can tell when doing it, but it wakes me up every time so I push him to the edge of the bed. I'm hoping he'll grow out of it. Maybe it's a new kind of rem sleep?

We're also looking to budget just now. Not because we're poor, but we want to know where our money goes and how much we waste. It's scary to think DH and I have genuinely no idea what we spend each month!

WillYouDoTheBunnyHop Tue 26-Mar-13 13:20:40

That's how we've always been Stacks, if we wanted it we bought it! Excel spreadsheet and bank statements at the ready!

MaMaPo Tue 26-Mar-13 13:55:25

Ditto - no budget here.

I started a new thread - any suggestions, pls comment! www.mumsnet.com/Talk/sleep/a1717546-Safe-swaddling#38071192

FriendofDorothy Tue 26-Mar-13 14:07:10

We are on a cash budget for food too. It's amazing how much you can spend without thinking about it!

WillYouDoTheBunnyHop Tue 26-Mar-13 14:32:15

Okay I did the [[ http://www.moneysavingexpert.com/banking/Budget-planning MSE budget planner]] and it told me to unclench! grin I always knew I was tight but I didn't realise I was that bad. I put in really generous allowances for everything too (as in 125 a week for food/nappies). I think it's because we don't go out ever much any more and have been saving for a house so long that cutting back on other stuff has become second nature. Even if I drop a day and we end up paying for full childcare (my mum has offered to cover some days) we'll still be okay. Gonna have to cut back on food while on maternity leave though I think as the pay will soon start to drop.

WillYouDoTheBunnyHop Tue 26-Mar-13 14:32:36

Pah, link fail. MSE budget planner

WLmum Tue 26-Mar-13 15:58:07

Ha yep obviously meant stroking down her nose - I do not advocate striking babies noses no matter how sleep deprived!

willyou I totally understand, I used to earn a fair bit more than DH before dd1, then I was made redundant but went back to the same co on a contract and earned lots more than him. Unfortunately the contract position involved lots of travel and stress and so I gave it up and lived on my redundancy pay for a bit. Then I got my current job which is low stress but low pay - we can manage for now but it's tight and not really sustainable. I quite often get in a flap about finding another job - there's so few p/t (hence I took current role) and they're mostly crap pay. I really don't want to work full time so often worry about the options and outcomes. Sleepless nights also make the problems 10x bigger.
Do you have any options for working from home or condensed hours? Maybe you could negotiate a phased return where you do less hours for a period then build up or renegotiate if you find you can afford it?

ISpyPlumPie Tue 26-Mar-13 16:07:28

Thanks for the link Willyou. Think we need a budget plan too - we're not exactly extravagant but do spend quite a bit on food and other small stuff without really thinking and it all starts to add up. I'd love to take a full 12 months maternity leave again, but it got very tight towards the end last time so was thinking nine months might be more realistic. I'm going to really look at our spending first though and look whether we can make any savings - 3 more months at home is a pretty good incentive!

Also great news about the weight gain.

I don't earn much anyway so I'm not that bothered grin I do quite a bit of book keeping at work but not formally so I'm going to do an evening course so I've actually got it on paper. Otherwise my only expertise is antique silver and I don't think there's much demand for that hmm

Great news on the weight gain WillYou did you start a dream feed or not?

WillYouDoTheBunnyHop Tue 26-Mar-13 16:17:31

Mine involves lots of stress and travel WL and you really have to earn the high salary. They were willing to let me wfh during pregnancy and when I went off work they were understaffed so desperate for me to go back so would've agreed to anything. I suppose it depends on the situation when I go back. There's freelancing which pulls in ££££ but we're not really in a position to live with the uncertainty of that income confused.

WillYouDoTheBunnyHop Tue 26-Mar-13 16:18:56

No Spotty I started keeping him up til 8:30 when he takes another bottle. Seems to have done the job

Oh that seems like a good idea smile

WillYouDoTheBunnyHop Tue 26-Mar-13 16:35:51

It was his idea, i.e. he refused to go to bloody bed several nights running! grin

EggsMichelle Tue 26-Mar-13 17:18:33

Well done Willyou. F has been weighed today, has passed the double birth weight point, and since he lost a lb just after birth, it's epic! HV started talking about weaning but we agreed there are other options like hungry baby milk. Going to review it again in 4wks and see how he's doing.

I have always been the breadwinner (DH perpetual student/immobile due to destroyed knee) but now DH has a job I plan to just go back part time. This will be the first time we have had 2 proper incomes (if payroll ever sort their shit out and pay him) so will make a nice change to have money for holidays and nice things.

Eggs why did your HV mention weaning? Did you give you the latest weaning leaflet? (Sorry I can't remember how old he is now!)

EggsMichelle Tue 26-Mar-13 17:47:24

Spotty it's because of the rate he is gaining weight and the amount of milk he is drinking. They didn't give me any literature but think that cause I said I'd rather review it next month. He is 16wks on Thursday and has gone from 9th centile to 91st, no surprise my boobs couldn't keep up!

MaMaPo Tue 26-Mar-13 17:53:48

How much does F weigh, Michelle? He and C are the same age and she's a big baby, but nobody's mentioned weaning to me.

FriendofDorothy Tue 26-Mar-13 17:56:09

Someone in my ante-natal class whose son is a couple of weeks older then The Little Mister has been talking about weaning her boy. Her idea of weaning is letting him lick bread and icecream sad

I was thinking he must be big because he weighed the same as my Felix when he was born but he hasn't doubled his birth weight yet smile it's just the nhs leaflet says the opposite to your HV I have never had a big baby though so can't comment!

EggsMichelle Tue 26-Mar-13 18:33:00

He's 16lb6oz, dropped to 6lb13oz after birth. I've not read the literature yet, my DH is into reading Cochran reports but I will have to do some reading myself. It definitely won't be ice cream on the menu though (I never share my ice cream!)

Dp just put ds into the bath after dd had been in there with a bath bomb ffs. Now he smells of fake flowers hmm

itsMYNutella Tue 26-Mar-13 19:20:24

eggs interesting hearing about weights and ages. DS is 12 weeks today, he was last weighed 2 weeks ago and was 5.2kg so I would guess he is now a bit over 5.5kg, when he hits 6kg he will have doubled his birthweight... My mum keeps suggesting a bit of baby rice to help him sleep at night. But I think he sleeps well at night although I do wish it was a bit longer

PurplePidjin Tue 26-Mar-13 19:27:52

Nutella, R was 5.2 (11lb7) today and he's 18 weeks!!

itsMYNutella Tue 26-Mar-13 20:07:06

Awww*pidj*! T was tiny when he was born and lost 10% of his BW in about 2 days. I think he went down to about 2.7 so I'm really impressed at what a greedy guts he is how well he is doing. How much did R weigh when he was born?

Nutella what are the weaning guidelines where you are? Do they follow the WHO guidelines?

itsMYNutella Tue 26-Mar-13 20:41:23

spotty I have absolutely no idea.... Our next appointment for jabs is in a little over two weeks so I'll ask the Dr. My midwife said 4 months at the earliest & 6 months at the latest to start giving him puréed stuff. But I can also ask the midwife doing our fitness class tomorrow. I'm curious now smile

SeymoreInOz Tue 26-Mar-13 20:46:01

What are the weaning guidelines in the UK? I've not been given any literature here so I'd better look it up. The other DCs weren't big so it's news to me that he should be weaned earlier because of it, although the HV and GP have both said it now. He's 16 weeks and 19lb 4oz.

Another awful night here, at 2am on our third wake up since 10pm I had a very embarrassing meltdown. DH banished me to the spare room for sleep, he had to get on a plane to Brisbane at 6am this morning. blush

Ah Seymore you just needed some sleep, it's good that your DH helped out smile

this is the NHS guidelines I want to leave it as long as possible because it's such a hassle blush I'm going to do a mixtue of mashed and finger foods.

WLmum Tue 26-Mar-13 21:04:43

Poor you seymour. Great that your DH is helping. I had a cry in the night a few weeks back - I often have a cry if I'm really tired. It really is cathartic.

MaMaPo Tue 26-Mar-13 21:09:01

A few weeks back, WL? I cry all the bloody time. grin

Not to worry Seymore - sounds like you're into the sleep regression. It'll end. But it's bloody hard and frustrating to be in the middle of it.

SeymoreInOz Tue 26-Mar-13 21:24:05

Thanks spotty that's just what I needed! No mention of size there. We're hopefully going away next month so I'd ideally like to wait until after that.

Thanks mama and wl it was really cathartic actually. I threw a pillow, and shouted into the other one. blush I hope you're right and it's a passing phase, we're down to 90 minute sleeps now!

halesball Tue 26-Mar-13 21:40:30

Seymore my LO is like yours and Eggs' LO's. She got weighed at 13 weeks and was 16.3lbs. I saw the HV when she was 11 weeks and she gave me the literature about weaning then. The HV is due back tomorrow (for yet another visit) so H will get weighed again then. The earliest i'm willing to wean is 17 weeks as she is showing signs of wanting food now. I was reading about baby led weaning last night, i'm not sure how i feel about it yet. Will have to do abit more reading around it.

Also H doesn't sleep very much its a killer isn't it. I'm cried every week since she was born.

halesball Tue 26-Mar-13 21:46:31

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EggsMichelle Wed 27-Mar-13 01:57:56

Compared to your babies (all I ever hear in rl is "my baby was sleeping through", makes me want to smash faces) f is quite a good sleeper, and even he drives me to tears so I can't imagine how you all feel. So far I have had to resettle him 5 times, he has never been this bad before, and this is his first feed. DH is working an early and since I was asleep before he got in last night, he is desperate to tell me about his day now hmm

PurplePidjin Wed 27-Mar-13 03:01:08

Nutella, he was 2.8 (6lb3) dropping to 5lb8 then back up at 5 days. Tracking the 0.4 line nicely grin

Ds is still asleep (sorry) but I'm in so much pain I think I might explain. I think they're even too full for hand expressing.... Might have to try though ouch.

He was sucking his thumb in his sleep so I got him up. Pretty quiet on here tonight....

My earlier post should have said explode not explain hmm

WLmum Wed 27-Mar-13 04:47:05

Wow spotty T was up 2-2.45 then 4.30 - just settling her now hopefully. My boobs were like that this morning after she slept midnight til 7. Even though they were so full I only managed to hand express 2oz - what's that about?!
She's got 2nd lot of jabs at 11am :-(

utopian99 Wed 27-Mar-13 05:34:47

O has been having his first cold, poor little man, so has regressed to about month-old status. All he wants is cuddles and feeding, which I confess I strangely don't mind. blush Dh told me to give up on the cot till he's better so snuggly on and off feeds all night but this way I get plenty of sleep as I don't need to be very awake. (Also woke to find him rearranging my arm around ds - he's being lovely tonight..)

Think that cold aside we're also in sleep regression though- am buying a proper cot once we move on Friday so how long does this phase last?
We're moving with two cats, a baby seat and a pram, in a mini, for 3 hours on good Friday. Are we loopy?

utopian99 Wed 27-Mar-13 05:38:44

Also on the weaning front O is just over 14lb now at 12.5 weeks - was just planning on letting him get stuck into food once he starts showing signs of wanting to, rather than waiting for 6 months. My aunt and cousin are part of a trial to see if ebf to 6 months actually can increase the risk of developing asthma, but results aside I figured letting him play with food if not eat in a meaningful way is fine?

EggsMichelle Wed 27-Mar-13 06:17:11

Utopian you are mad! I hate have the cats in the car, they cry constantly. Have you got a sedative for them? I'm moving in June 45mins away and will probably have two cats, dog and F in the qashqai, no lookong forward to it.

Terrible night, think its the transition to cot. Going to give some rolled up towels a try. Have ordered those breathable bumpers, but think he needs something to make the space smaller.

WL I only hand expressed a small amount down the hand basin to make it easier for him to latch. I'm not great at hand expressing as it squirts in all different directions blush I reckon if I'd pumped I would have got about 5oz. He's still asleep now please tell me that last week was our regression and it's not going to get worse again?!

utopian99 Wed 27-Mar-13 06:44:36

Yes eggs, 2 types - a pill for travel sickness and a gel to chill them out, which the vet said were safe for use together. The gel tastes of salmon apparently..

On the weaning front we were told on the blw course I did that the WHO guidelines state 6 months for starting as the gut is porous until then so introducing foods can lead the allergies developing. but I've heard rumours the guidelines are going to change again soon I think it's like anything to do with babies - everyone has a different but correct opinion

halesball Wed 27-Mar-13 07:28:10

I agree with you Honey i don't think it suits every baby to wait until their 6 months old. The guidelines are just guidelines and i think instincts go a long way. I agree with the statement mums know best, H is showing signs of wanting food when she gets to a stage i'm completely comfortable with i'll give her some. I do need to do some more research though into BLW.

Utopian hope you and DS are feeling abit better todaythanks

itsMYNutella Wed 27-Mar-13 07:37:02

pidj T was 3030g so only 200g difference shock When he was born the midwife said "he has a huge mouth" and maybe that's helped him wink he is happy when he has a boob, dummy or finger in his mouth so it really isn't a surprise that he is growing so fast.

Speaking of feeding he only slept a solid 2.5 hours last night before waking hmm since then he has snacked rather than properly fed sad
<this too shall pass.... this too shall pass... this too shall pass> hurry up and sleep better little man!!
Did others experience a growth spurt at 12 weeks? Wonder if that is what it is hmm

MaMaPo Wed 27-Mar-13 08:12:44

Morning all! Night here disrupted by pooing and frequent waking. C is 16 weeks today. Coincidence? I think not!

Re weaning, at last weigh in 3 weeks ago C was 15lb. She's really grown since then, but she's miles from being ready to wean. She can't sit well (still got a bobble head), still struggling to reach and grasp, and is completely uninterested in food. I'd really rather not push it until I feel confident it will be a good experience.

Ds is the same as C mamapo he's 17 weeks but only 12 corrected so still a bit wobbly. Otoh dd couldn't sit perfectly unaided until she was 7.5 months so I'd have been waiting a while with her! Plus it's much easier getting out the house with just a boob not needing any food.

Utopian I hope your move goes well did you say it was this Friday?

I popped ds into his cot so I could make the bed and he put his thumb in and went to sleep confused I have to take dd to nursery in five minutes though I don't think he's going to like it!

I can't believe ds was four months yesterdayshock

Nutella ds had a few rough nights at 12 weeks

MaMaPo Wed 27-Mar-13 09:08:05

Spotty, look at you with your fancy self-settling baby! smile Wish C could find her thumb not that it would help as she's firmly swaddled anyway

Yes, I'm not waiting until C can sit unaided, but I think she needs better head and neck control. I tried her in a bumbo a couple of weeks ago and she was very unsteady.

WLmum Wed 27-Mar-13 09:18:01

All this talk of weaning I dreamt I gave T a banana and she shoved it all in ! I'll be taking a easy some easy go approach this time - I rushed it with dd2 (after 6 months) on advice of hv as she was still getting me up for boobs 3x a night. All it did was result in projectile vomiting as her little tummy clearly wasn't ready. Poor wee soul. I've ordered a new high chair cover so T can start to sit up with us for the social aspect but will try to wait until she's nearing 6 months before introducing food. That said, I'm sure a bit of banana to suck isn't the end of the world.

2nd set of jabs this morning :-(

WLmum Wed 27-Mar-13 09:18:24

V jealous spotty!

Hope the jabs go well WL. The sleep is great but it's playing havoc with my boobs!

Stacks Wed 27-Mar-13 09:32:09

T has always had excellent head and neck control, I think it comes from always facing forwards. He's almost sitting up too, he'll sit with a straight back and can balance like it for a little while. He's only 13w though, and can't really grasp or bring things to his mouth at all. He's got alot better at grasping over the last few days (reason for awful sleeping?). No one has mentioned weaning to us, and I'm not in a rush to start.
A tip though, if you can express and store milk you should try and build up a supply, once you start weaning you can use breast milk for stuff like baby porridge, and my sister found herself unable to express at this point, even though it was easy for her early on. I'm going to start trying to express and store now (and maybe try DS on a bottle some time for a real night off as opposed to 10 mins in the bath before DH says T is hungry/tired/needs to bath with me.

Nutella, I think there's a 3m and 4m growth spurt. From what I've read they're both hard going. Luckily after a couple of awful nights T has settled into a new routine of waking at 12, 3 and 5/6 am. I can handle that ok, better than every 1-2 hours like the other night!

Good luck whoever is moving house Friday (utopian?) you are crazy, yes, but I'm sure it'll be worth it. Really hope you don't hit traffic, can you plan your journey for a quiet time on the road? Even like 10/11pm? LO should sleep then, and traffic shouldn't be an issue.

Seymore, I hope you get some sleep soon. Is your DH away for long, or just a one day business trip? If he's away a couple if days, don't feel bad for accepting help last night, he can catch up on sleep while away. If he's just away for a day trip then still don't feel bad, he can go to bed early and sleep. It's just us that can't sleep just because we need it, we have to sleep to baby schedule sad

Stacks Wed 27-Mar-13 09:33:14

Good luck with jabs.

Clarella Wed 27-Mar-13 10:31:28

oops late to the party!

we're having terrible wakings - about 2 hourly all night tho amoxycillin poos don't help. Monday night I let him off due to tt snip, not so sure about last night hmm

we're 15 weeks - is this sleep regression? he's suddenly regressed nap wise too - I could get him to nap easily with some bobbing when time was right, now he wakes up for more play and cat naps on the boob ! incidentally we're sitting up in bed yeay! his tongue can definitely do more. hv coming this avo for development check. v proud that g can take his. socks off grin

<shuttles off to try and catch up on thread.

halesball Wed 27-Mar-13 10:59:33

Good luck with the jabs.

My HV isn't coming today and i now have to go to clinic tomorrow to get H weighed. I'm abit gutted as i really wanted to talk about H not sleeping as its starting to really affect me.

Oh hales sad how often is she waking? How old is she? Ds was waking every three ish hours until a couple of weeks ago 1-2 hours when having a growth spurt

halesball Wed 27-Mar-13 11:53:13

I class a good night as 4 wake ups but in reality, its 6-7 wake ups. Last week she had 2 nights were she slept for 4 hours. It wouldn't be so bad but it takes ages to settle her enough to transfer her to the cot hmm

MaMaPo Wed 27-Mar-13 12:21:28

Hales, maybe start a thread in the sleep section with all the details? So many ppl on here who could help. I think on this thread the conversations meander so much and you could do with dedicated help.

Hales that does sound tough. I agree with mamapo please post in sleep. Even if they can't help there will be lots of encouragement. You do know that the less sleep babies need the more intelligent they are?!

ISpyPlumPie Wed 27-Mar-13 12:33:34

That sounds really tough Hales. I agree a dedicated thread would be a good plan. Hope you get some helpful advice soon and <hugs> in the meantime.

Well, we've been to baby clinic this morning and the little chunk is now 18lb 2oz. There was no mention of weaning, and I'm in no hurry to start it. He does have good head control and can sit well with support but isn't sitting unaided at all yet. I know it's not the only factor, but he just doesn't seem ready. Think I'm going to take a similar approach to you WL - sit him up at the table with us in his high chair once he's sitting well enough to go in it, offer him some bits of food and see where we go from there.

halesball Wed 27-Mar-13 13:02:07

That is a good idea i'll try it. Thank you grin

Wow what a weight Ispy grin

WillYouDoTheBunnyHop Wed 27-Mar-13 13:02:42

Wowsers I had no idea there could be such a huge difference in weight. J's 14 weeks and 12lb 11oz, I thought he looked massive!

Oh god Hales you must be on your knees especially as DP isn't being much help either. Hope someone has some specialised advice for you flowers

So we've learned a new annoying trick here pulling the bottle out of his mouth with both hands and putting it back in again himself! It makes feeding him a nightmare but I find it ridiculously funny grin

MaMaPo Wed 27-Mar-13 13:12:14

Hales, make sure you post the link to your sleep thread here so we can come over and comment.

18lb, nice work. I'll get C weighed next week, when she's 4 months.

C fell asleep at the baby cafe this morning, and I managed to squash her into her pramsuit, tuck her into her buggy, walk around for a while including around the shops, and come home and make tea and toast, all without her waking. now that I have jinxed it I will hear a wail

halesball Wed 27-Mar-13 13:33:21

I couldn't find the sleep thread so i posted it in chat.

Willyou that does sound funny, i thought H held her hands out to my boobs last night as i got into bed haha.

Forgot to say spotty i hope your right about the intelligence thing. Might make it worth while

MaMaPo Wed 27-Mar-13 13:53:25

In case you want to repost - www.mumsnet.com/Talk/sleep

SkiBunnnnny Wed 27-Mar-13 15:10:30

Hello! I'm slightly late to the party... Am I still allowed to join?
I have a wee boy born who just turned 16 weeks yesterday, he's my first so I'm still muddling along the best I can, slowly feel like I'm getting the hang of it though! Took him swimming for the first time the other days he didn't hate it, or love it. I guess he's a pretty chill baby anyway!

Welcome ski smile

SkiBunnnnny Wed 27-Mar-13 15:30:42

Thanks! I will try and catch up the best I can.

Stacks Wed 27-Mar-13 15:45:10

Welcome Ski my DS is pretty chilled about swimming. He just floats along watching everything and sucking the chlorine off my hands. Except last week when his grandad took him in, he was unsettled and cried for the submersions. I was beside myself at the edge of the pool wanting to take over and tell FIL he was doing it all wrong! grin

SkiBunnnnny Wed 27-Mar-13 15:54:02

Ye, stacks, I just swooshed him about a bit and he looked around. Was too scared to dunk him all the way under though, the water slashed over his nose once and he spluttered and coughed like nobodies business! He is so squirmy and kicky the rest of the time, I just expected him to be splashing about!

Stacks Wed 27-Mar-13 16:04:08

Our swimming lessons are basically teaching commands to the babies. To get them going under the water you have a command "name, ready, go" then wait a few seconds before putting a handful of water over their face, stroking your hand down their face at the same time. Practice in the bath, 3 times each bath time, and do it every time you swim. They learn it, and to expect the water, so hold their breath. We did it for about 3 weeks before the first time we put the babies under.

It's also important to commit to putting them under the water, if you do it too slow, or too shallow, their gag reflex doesn't kick in and they'll swallow the water.

WillYouDoTheBunnyHop Wed 27-Mar-13 16:51:14

Welcome Ski

Official terrible mummy alert

I just dropped J out of his car seat. Forgot to do up the straps and he flopped out forwards. He wouldn't stop screaming so I had to take him to A&E where he proceeded to laugh, coo and stroke the nurse's fingers! I feel awful sad. He's fine though.

Oh WillYou we've all done silly things don't beat yourself up smile baby's are very bouncy wink

SkiBunnnnny Wed 27-Mar-13 17:09:43

Oh dear willyou, I'm sure it upset you more than him. A couple of weeks ago my LO rolled off the couch (I was sitting right next to him!) and I cried for longer than he did.

SkiBunnnnny Wed 27-Mar-13 17:12:52

Those swimming lessons sound fun stacks. The nearest pool is about an hour away so I probably won't omit to anything like that at the moment.

IsThatTrue Wed 27-Mar-13 17:36:35

willyou I had to run across the playground earlier as I'd forgotten to strap ds2 in the buggy and ds1 was attempting to push the buggy over a walking beam (fine for the front when he tipped the buggy back but when he tipped it forwards shock) we all do silly things especially when sleep deprived. I regularly used to once nearly knocked dd out by lifting her out her car seat and whacking her head on the top of the car door frame. She's still alive at 8yo. I also bounced ds1s head off the pavement by falling over with him in my arms while wearing silly high heels I cried for longer than he did

Chin up, and don't be hard on yourself.

WillYouDoTheBunnyHop Wed 27-Mar-13 17:41:14

Thanks all, I read the thread about parenting stuff that doesn't matter on the long run and someone said she lived by the motto "everybody fed, nobody dead". That is my motto for today! Luckily it was on the way back from asda so I have ice cream and wine!

MyDaydream Wed 27-Mar-13 17:44:57

I'm very excited to start weening and I'm sure it'll be here in no time and ill be cursing the food mashed into our stupid cream carpet. He can't sit up at all yet at 12 weeks without us holding onto him and I do worry I don't give him enough floor/tummy time but he gets so frustrated and screams after 5 minutes.
I was going to take E for weighing today but it was too snowy. Wonder if its work if I stood on the Wii board with him?
Seymore, I've had a couple of stressed out "why the hell are you still crying its been hours" meltdowns where DP finds me in a ball staring into the distance sobbing. It's good your DP helped out it makes all the difference. I still stay on edge because DP is increasingly struggling with the crying.
WillYou how awful, glad he's alright. DS has the scream until in the presence of professionals down to a T!
I found him grasping into an elephant toy shoving as much of it in his mouth as possible today. It's the first time he's done something like that so I'm very proud today. He had his 12 week jabs yesterday and has pretty much slept since, I'm feeling very refreshed.

Ds HATES tummy time and just lays there sucking his fist or crying

MaMaPo Wed 27-Mar-13 18:31:16

C turned the corner with tummy time recently - she loves it now. Chats away to herself.

Proper swaddle in the house! Fx for decent sleep.

ISpyPlumPie Wed 27-Mar-13 18:39:15

Willyou - as everyone else has said, don't beat yourself up. These things happen and J is fine. Have a wine and be kind to yourself. Think "everyone fed and nobody dead" is a fantastic motto - will keep it in mind esp when DS1 is having one of his more 'spirited' days and N is having yet another growth spurt!

Welcome Ski - I've got a 16 week old too. Just waiting for the sleep regression to hit!

FriendofDorothy Wed 27-Mar-13 18:41:36

When Edward was 5 weeks old he rolled off me chest, off the bed and got wedged. between the bed and the crib.

He slept through the whole thing. I cried for an hour!

WillYouDoTheBunnyHop Wed 27-Mar-13 20:02:14

FoD at 5 weeks I was crying for an hour because his cheeks were so beautiful grin if that had happened they would have had to sedate me!

He keeps screaming but it seems he's just starving. Had 16oz over the last 3 hours. Hope he's okay.

Tummy time is just eat your fist/the rug time in this house! Ah they all get there in the end.

halesball Wed 27-Mar-13 21:38:14

Welcome Ski grin

Willyou i'm glad both you and J are ok. Could he be having a growth spurt?

So my day has been interesting took my dad to a routine hospital appointment. After speaking to the Dr for all of 2 minutes she told him, she was admitting him to the heart and chest ward for close observation. So he's hooked up to a ECG monitor he's had his bloods done and and chest X-rays. The consultant came round and said that they will probably do a angioplasty sooner rather than later due to his angina becoming so unstable. Its weird though because i'm not worried and i'm actually looking forward to spending some alone time with Heidi. I'm a bad person aren't i?

MaMaPo Wed 27-Mar-13 21:39:30

Oh, little C's tummy time is often 'lower my head so I can chomp on my fist which, usefully, doesn't seem to move too much'. She still enjoys it.

Oh, willyou, don't worry. C had a little fall the other day, bomped her head a little bit and had a cry. I kept calm, gave her a feed and she was fine. One of my friends dropped her baby onto the radiator - he's completely fine.

Bedtime. Husband will do the dream feed. Fx she stays asleep for the rest of the night a decent stretch.

EggsMichelle Wed 27-Mar-13 21:45:22

* Hales* not at all, they are being preventative rather than reactive to your dads heart so your anxiety is probably quite low. DF had his prostate out last month, I could have fretted that cancer had spread but instead I was just happy they had removed the tumer.

Not looking forward to tonight, F was terrible last night and tonight he woke an hour after putting him down so (bad mum alert) I have put him to sleep on his tummy and has been asleep over an hour. Have the sensor mat monitor on and can hear him breathing. He had better get used to his cot bed quick, I have no patience and a short temper in the night.

halesball Wed 27-Mar-13 22:06:50

I think my anxiety is low as well because i know he's ok and the hospital will look after him really well. Also i get to have some precious alone time with Heidi grin

halesball Wed 27-Mar-13 22:13:57

I forgot to ask how is your dad now Eggs?

WLmum Wed 27-Mar-13 22:29:42

hales not bad at all, alone time with Heidi will be fab and hopefully a lovely relaxing bonding time - it sounds like you've always got a lot going on with which you cope amazingly but only natural to want a little down time with your precious lo. Enjoy it!

willyou - a while back I pulled up on the drive and dd2 hopped out of her seat - I'd completely forgotten to do her straps up! We all have awful parenting moments - in any job (especially a 24/7 one) you can't be perfect all the time.

T was so brave at her jabs, bless her. I managed to drops phone when I was changing her and completely shatter the screen - grr. Somehow it still seems to be working! I just can't read anything! Having been awake almost all day she fell asleep in the car at 4.30 and I woke her up after I'd put the bigs to bed at 8! It's been lovely having some one to one with her and we've had a lovely time playing, chatting, smiling And a few proper laughs. Now just feeding to sleep (fx).

Welcome +ski*

SeymoreInOz Wed 27-Mar-13 23:14:22

spotty I've got a confession to make, I haven't done any tummy time with all 3 of mine. DD hated it and not doing it made no difference to her development so I just didn't bother with the others. DS1 was mobile by 7 months!

willyou I hope you're not too rattled. I've done something similar and plenty of other things too. Have some wine

hales I hope you've got some good advice on your sleep thread. I'll be checking it out! It's been nearly 2 weeks since we had a 4 hour stretch. Last night at 1am I had that awful thing where you wake up and the last thing you remember is being sat up feeding. DS was safely asleep in his bed thankfully. I'm glad your dad's in good hands, nothing wrong with enjoying a bit of alone time with Heidi!

wl no, poor phone! Can you get a replacement?

The 4 months jabs didn't make DS sleepy unfortunately, and it took him nearly 4 days to get over them. Swizz.

I woke up last night with intense pain in my left breast and a raging fever. I've got bacterial mastitis and some antibiotics, hopefully they don't affect DS's tummy! Got DD's Easter hat parade today, I'm worried I've made her hat too whacky, hopefully she's not embarrassed wearing it.

halesball Wed 27-Mar-13 23:26:05

WL the last couple of years i feel like i've dealt with something new every week. But as long as no one dies i'll cope grin Sorry about your phone screen.

Seymore theres been some good advice someone has just mentioned a 90 minute rule. Where you put them down 90 minutes after they've woke up in the place you want them to sleep and eventually they start napping in the day which in turn leads to better sleeps of a night. I'm definitely going to try that. Theres also been other useful tips grin Sorry about the mastitis do you have a natural remedy shop near you? Theres a tablet you can buy which is herbal one and it prevents you getting thrush from the antibiotics. I can't remember the name of it but maybe someone who works in the shop can tell you. Hope it clears up soon. thanks

SkiBunnnnny Thu 28-Mar-13 00:55:11

ISpy - it might already have hit. He was sleeping so well for a few weeks, 8-7 with one feed at 4am, but now he is feeding 2-3 times and needs settling at least one additional time. I'm fine with that for now so I'm hoping I've got lucky!

Hales - it sounds like your dad is in good hands and getting what he needs

Seymore -sorry to hear about you mastitis. Easter hats are supposed to be wacky, does it have those fluffy Easter chicks on it?

LO quite likes tummy time now. I usually put him in front of the mirrored wardrobes and he just stares at himself. He's rolled over a couple of times but always looks very shocked when it happens!

utopian99 Thu 28-Mar-13 03:26:00

Spotty - yes, moving this Friday, but not whole house move thankfully as we're staying in a furnished flat my grandmother owns till we sell our house/buy another. Dh is coming back up on Saturday to collect more clothes etc after moving me, O, cats and pram on Friday. .

Wlmum- sorry about your phone! I did exactly the same a month ago and bought a screen protector stable door, bolted horse anyone? which holds the screen together and it still works but has crazy cracking every where!

EggsMichelle Thu 28-Mar-13 03:32:52

Hales he is fine, relieved to be peeing without a catheter! Seymore hope your boobs clear up quickly, it sounds very painful.

Bad mum alert! After yesterday's terrible night, I wasn't up for bring up every hour again tonight, so when he woke just 1hr after going down I resettled him and put him on his tummy. He slept for almost 6hrs shock so now he is fed I have resettled him on his belly again in the hope for more sleep. I'll try him on his side again tonight. I'm hoping he just needs to get used to the cot.

MaMaPo Thu 28-Mar-13 04:01:46

Hales - completely agree with 90 minute rule. So easy for babies to become overtired, and then sleeping becomes more difficult. I jealously protect C's naps - one of my friends (who doesn't have kids) thought I was mad for letting c sleep on me for hours during the day, until I explained the importance of naps. Maybe she still thinks I'm mad!

SeymoreBunnies Thu 28-Mar-13 04:08:25

Just had a look hales some good tips. I hope you're getting more sleep soon. I struggle with daytime naps too. He wakes after 30 mins and needs lots of resettling because he's too cranky to get up, why won't he just nap for longer! confused

Eggs I'm looking forward to DS rolling back to front because I remember being told that once they're rolling you can settle them to sleep on their front. My other DCs always slept much longer like that. I'm pretty sure it's fine now they're this big and have good head control?

utopian good luck with the move!

ski we went a bit mad with the glue gun and it had chicks, geese, bunnies, eggs, paper flowers... etc! I didn't make the parade in the end because I'm feeling so fluey with mastitis. DH went though!

DS has started biting me a lot. Anyone else having this? It's usually at the start or end of a feed, he properly clamps down and sometimes I have to open his jaws with my finger and free my nipple! it's bloody agony on the mastitis side

Secondsop Thu 28-Mar-13 04:45:16


We've made it back to the uk safe and sound and are at the coal face of the jet lag struggle now....

Welcome skibunny

So much to catch up on! I can't remember who said what so shall
Stick to topics. finances - I'm the main earner by a long way so without my salary coming in I am going to struggle to take more than about 7-8 months mat leave. I'd ideally like 9. 12 feels a bit long to me because I'll miss a complete annual "cycle" at work. But at the same time I am torn as I really want to do up the kitchen. Mat leave is a good time to do it as I can plan it and manage the project, plus it'll be some before Z starts crawling then, but there's the little voice in my head saying "bad mummy, you're forgoing 2 more months at home for that". Please say things to make me feel better about it...

When we went through a financial sticky patch a few years ago when my husband wasn't working and I'd moved out of a city job into the public sector, we found the ixpenseit app was brilliant for budgeting.

heart stuff - I have a referral to a cardiologist as I had so many blood pressure problems during pregnancy and all the appointments have started to come through. I'm a bit scared generally. If they tell me it's because of my weight then I guess that's the best outcome isn't it but solving the issue is easier said and done. It's not as if I wouldn't already BE slim if getting there was anything other than incredibly hard.

2blessed Thu 28-Mar-13 05:10:09

Marking place.

I feel I've been reading my life on this thread so far....

fod I've had tendonitis for last 8 weeks or so, its an absolute nightmare! Went to the hospital to get a brace fitted after my 6 week check and the lady said that if it doesn't improve, once I've finished bf I will have to have steroid injections - ouch!

Ds has been really unsettled today and has been up feeding on and off since 4. He normally sleeps through... Growth spurt perhaps?

The weaning advice is back again from family members, especially as he is now 12 weeks. Or people think I should be mix feeding him or putting something in his milk to ' bulk him up'.
Need to talk to someone in rl as things are quite tough at the mo with dp, guess its due to ds arrival and he has recently moved in with us. This too shall pass? Bloody well hope so.
welcome back.*seconds*, fx with your referral.

FriendofDorothy Thu 28-Mar-13 05:51:26

2blessed have they told you that you have to finish breastfeeding before you have the steroid injections?

Apparently they are safe even whilst feeding.

WLmum Thu 28-Mar-13 06:15:25

seymour that mastitis sounds awful, poor you.

seconds you must do what's right for you , kitchen al all!

2blessed that sounds tough - time for some counselling? Hopefully you will back on track soon.

Well thanks to the jabs I guess T slept 10.30 til 6! Unfortunately I was up 4-5 feeling crap with my cold, was freezing cold and my throat was sore. Now boiling hot with sore throat. Boo.

Seymore ouch sad ds does a lot of pulling whilst still latched on after a growth spurt when my let down is fast etc could it be something like that?

2blessed sorry you're having a hard time our relationship is never as strained as when there's a new baby it helps that we both accept that and know it won't last.

Welcome back to sunny hmm England seconds! Most people return to work after nine months so don't feel bad.

Hmm ds appears to be awake. Dp has a week off now. Dd has just asked him to do some painting think he will realise how full on having two is now....

Yay for sleep WL. Stupid colds. Get some nasal spray and dose up on paracetamol

EggsMichelle Thu 28-Mar-13 07:53:09

Welcome back to the island Seconds, just in time for the sun to come out! 2blessed hope you are able to sort things out quickly, DH and I had a set to a couple of weeks ago, cleared the air very nicely!

I'm hoping to go back to work in August, provided I can get some bank shifts to top my pay up, our house is rented and the credit card isn't maxed out earlier.

WLmum Thu 28-Mar-13 08:11:52

He won't fully realise spotty unless you go out for the day and leave him to it!

You're probably right WL! I'm going out for lunch a week Sunday so that will give him a few hours... Off to soft play this morning it's the closest one to us but I've never been because its forty minutes away. Hopefully dd will like it then potty training will commence....

Ds took a while to settle from his nap think he was over tired.

WLmum Thu 28-Mar-13 08:42:45

Are you going to little angels at rokers farm? Worpleston/Guildford? Hell on earth! DH takes big dds there, they love it, I hate it!

T was just dropping off on the boob for a nap then woke herself up with a poo! Just trying again but will only be a short nap as its my turn to open playgroup in 45 mins

EggsMichelle Thu 28-Mar-13 08:46:27

When does the startle response stop? It's driving me crackers!

Nope we're going the other way and going to the Flying Fortress in Ford. Luckily as dp is coming I can sit with ds and he can watch dd!

2blessed Thu 28-Mar-13 08:50:27

Thanks all. Part of it is that I feel that sometimes he says things that question my intuition or makes a me feel inadequate. Ds is my pfb but dp has teenaged dcs from previous relationship.

Yep, fod thats what they told me may have injection after bf. Hmmmm, will investigate further...

Ds up feeding again! Got a busy day getting meat and fish for the weekend. Looks bright outside but know its still freezing.

MaMaPo Thu 28-Mar-13 09:27:19

Oh eggs, same here. Swaddle is my saviour.

Good luck, 2blessed. This is a testing time for any relationship.

Good baby has been asleep for nearly an hour, in her crib! She needed settling twice, but has been very good. I've done some ironing, straightened my hair, faffed on the internet... this is brilliant, a napping baby. Last night she only fed at 4am after her dreamfeed at 10.30pm, but was super noisy all night so I don't feel well-rested.

Emailed my old boss in Melbourne about whether he wants to hire me again when I'm back in 2014. He was very encouraging!

There is a weird light emanating from the sky. Anyone know what it is?

Secondsop Thu 28-Mar-13 09:34:47

I've brought the sun back with me - I hope you are all duly grateful.

Z has been awake for hours wanting to play, but when I take him into the bed he falls asleep against me. I suspect he doesn't know whether he's coming or going at present.

MaMaPo Thu 28-Mar-13 09:36:43

Poor wee Z. I'm not looking forward to dealing with the jetlag when I take C back in May. It's 5 weeks away! How did you find the jet lag overall, Seconds?

Secondsop Thu 28-Mar-13 09:57:01

It was ok * mamapo* - when I got there it exhibited itself by me getting really tired early in the evenings for a few days and I suspect the same thing is going to happen now we've got home too. for little Z he spent a few days getting up at 3-4am and not settling back, and then sleeping for most of the day, but babies this young sleep in the day and wake up at night anyway so it's not as dramatic a shifting of patterns as for an older child, i'd expect. On the way home we timed the flights how i like them, namely arriving home late afternoon so we then just had a couple of hours to stay awake and then went to bed. On the way out we did the thing I hate and usually try to avoid, namely arriving early in the morning and then having to stay up all day. What airline are you flying? We went Singapore and they were great - I'd definitely fly again with them with a baby.

Oddly we were next to the same lady + baby both going and coming, which is weird as we'd picked random dates to go. Her baby had grown so much by the time of the return flight.

MaMaPo Thu 28-Mar-13 10:00:10

I'm flying with Royal Brunei, via Dubai and Brunei. It's an alcohol-free airline shock. I think I arrive early morning (typical) and can't remember when I return, but I think it might be afternoon.

C is in quite a good routine in terms of sleeping at this stage, so it might be more of a shock to our system!

FriendofDorothy Thu 28-Mar-13 11:05:03

2blessed I started this thread about the injections.

This soft play has bouncers for the babies it's nice and clean too. Not too busy.

EggsMichelle Thu 28-Mar-13 13:47:14

F had his 16wk jabs at 10.15 this morning and is still asleep now! If I had known he would sleep so much I would have done the ironing (in the last week, every time I have got the iron out he wakes up!)

Ironing? What is this ironing that you speak of?! Ds has been asleep nearly 2.5 hours smile

EggsMichelle Thu 28-Mar-13 14:22:08

Still asleep! I would rather iron than do any other house work. I used to iron pillow cases when I was extra stressed.

SkiBunnnnny Thu 28-Mar-13 14:32:37

Seconds, I'm flying with the LO in a couple of weeks, any tips?

I don't even own an iron blush and the wee man never naps for more than half an hour in the day any more

Haha ski I only iron when dp puts dd's denim rara skirt in the tumble drier everything else gets hung nearly or folded straight out the drier so no need for ironing.

Potty training has been going for an hour and so far two wees on the floor none in the potty. I don't think she's ever going to get it sad

Ds is super chatty it's so sweet. Lots of pigeon noises too.

WLmum Thu 28-Mar-13 17:28:16

No ironing here either.
spotty how old is dd? Maybe she's not ready? Dd1 was totally ready but weird about sitting on the potty. For a couple of days I sat her on every 30 mins and read her a story while she was on which seemed to work.

She'll be three in June. We've had a fairly successful afternoon I think 2.5 on the floor and 3.5 in the potty (with the .5 she started weeing and quickly realised and got to the potty. What do you think?

utopian99 Thu 28-Mar-13 17:55:20

I have been gifted with a dh who was brought up to assume that if you want your shirt ironed you do it yourself.. grin

Am dreading potty training. My cunning plan is that reusable nappies will feel wet and therefore provide incentive to want to. Not sure if this works with modern nappies but my mother claimed it made my brother and me choose to stop nappies voluntarily at a year and a half. (Taking her word on this..)

Dh has his leaving do tonight so won't be home till 11ish, probably tiddly. For some reason my internal logic has decided as I can't hit the wine in his honour I will be hitting the cake instead. hmm

And one on the loo...

Oh utopian cake is a must when home alone!

And one on the floor...

Secondsop Thu 28-Mar-13 18:49:50

skibunny - take a dummy for take off and landings, take a roll up changing mat and nappy sacks because sometimes you just have to do it right there and then in the departure lounge! Are you breast feeding? If not I can give you bottle / formula tips. Also take a couple of blankets as the plane might not have many baby blankets and the big blankets are too big for the bassinets really.

mamapo I've never flown royal Brunei. Alcohol free?! I wonder if any other middle eastern airlines are too. I've flown etihad, emirates and Qatar before and I don't recall an absence of booze but I'm not a drinker on planes anyway.

Z had his 16 week injections this afternoon. He cried and is now asleep. Not sure how much of that is jet lag though.

MaMaPo Thu 28-Mar-13 18:50:24

Cake indeed!

I do iron for my husband - he works in the city so needs shirts daily. When we met he never ironed, his parents paid someone to do it. When we moved in I taught him how, and he used to do most of then - I'd often help out because I'm a lot quicker. Now I'm on mat leave I do it all. It seems fair, he does stuff for me and works long hours. When he's around I'd prefer to spend time with him than watch him iron. Boring!

Lots of tears at bath time tonight - I think c was overtired, which is odd as she had 3 good naps today. She's zonked in my arms - time to put her down and cross fingers she's asleep for the night. Poor poppet, she was so upset.

Crap crap crap, just knocked D's head on the door. He was already screaming for food but he screamed more calmed down enough to eat but should I not put him down to bed in case it's done head damage?

Me to dp: 'argh I'm so fat!'
Dp: 'you're not as fat as [insert friend's name here]. Anyway what do you expect you've had two children'.


Honey he'll be fine just keep any eye on him to make sure he isn't unusually sick/floppy/drowsy etc

I know- I need to a) stop panicking and b)stop hitting his head on things blush

ISpyPlumPie Thu 28-Mar-13 19:20:52

Honey - I'm sure he'll be fine too. Just keep an eye on him and get him checked out if he's sick or seems drowsy.

Spotty - just shock. That's meant to make you feel better how?! Good luck with the potty training. It will click with her at some point, it's early days yet. I think everyone thought I deliberately decided to train DS1 when I'd gone back to work ft temporarily to provide emergency cover. It wasn't like that though - honest. We'd had a potty for a bit and I'd sometimes ask him if he'd like to try it. He said no and I never pushed it, but one day he decided to sit on it and did a massive wee. He just carried on using it from then on, but it meant that DM and nursery dealt with the majoirty of the accidents in the first week (although I'm assured that there weren't that many). Felt a bit guilty, but seemed mean to keep him in nappies when he'd decided he was ready for big boy pants.

Enjoy the cake Utopian.

SkiBunnnnny Thu 28-Mar-13 19:36:35

Thanks seconds. Yes I am bf. I was just reading the airlines website and it seems to suggest taking bottles of breast milk... Seems like extra hassle to me but maybe there's a reason I haven't thought of? It also says bassinets 'may' be available so does that mean we just have to hold him if they're not? I'm also not sure I understand the whole bassinet thing, where does it go? At least DH will be with me so we should be able to handle it between the two of us!

Oh dear spotty, they just don't think sometimes. My DH usually says something like "I still love you" or "you're still beautiful" which I suppose is nice in theory but not exactly what I'm looking for.

It's been a while since I went long haul but the bassinets go on the back of a dividing 'wall' in the middle of the aircraft (possibly where loos are or where the stewards do the food?) it means you get loads of leg room. I would have though bottles with ebm in would be hassle as they will make you taste it and surely a boob will be easier especially if your baby isn't used to a bottle. I think they have to put they might not be available but it's unlikely you won't get one smile where ate you off to?

MaMaPo Thu 28-Mar-13 20:04:54

You do need to book basinettes - get in touch with the airline. I have basinettes booked for all legs of my longhaul flight. I'm on my own, without my husband, so I definitely need a basinette!

Oh honey - not to worry. I'm sure he'll be fine.

WLmum Thu 28-Mar-13 20:20:30

Don't panic honey you'd really have to whack it to do him any damage. He was probably just a bit shocked. It's so easy to bang their little heads on doors and door frames. Poor T was having a nap in a bouncy chair at playgroup today when a small child dropped a hard plastic toy on her head!

WLmum Thu 28-Mar-13 20:27:43

spotty sounds like she's doing just fine. Give her a couple of days and she'll be a pro!

utopian not sure if it was down to the reusable a or not but dd1&2 were out of nappies day and night before they were two (at their own instigation) - I was the only p e if my ante natal group using reusable aNd theirs were all in nappies for about a year, in some cases more, longer.

Barbeasty Thu 28-Mar-13 20:33:21

Honey I accidentally opened a door with A's head, meaning to use my elbow and not realising how far he stuck out.

Spotty potty training sounds like DD, and it took DD about a week to be reliable.

Utopian I thought the same about reusable nappies, then found DD wasn't at all bothered by sitting in a wet or dirty nappy. Thankfully it was still easy to potty train (and SIL found the same with 2 of hers)

Nice quiet night tonight. DH has gone to church, DD is in bed and A is feeding and fighting sleep.

He laughed properly today. Raspberries on the tummy seem to be hilarious. Although once I'd shown DH, MIL and DD at different nappy changes the amusement seems to be wearing thinner!

Secondsop Thu 28-Mar-13 20:36:44

skibunny, y bassinets are clicked onto the bulkhead walls which means you'll get a seat with plenty of legroom BUT you need to book the bassinet with the airline. Re the milk, I see no reason why you'd need to take bottles of expressed milk when you can just feed directly. I mix feed Z and I breastfed him a few times on the flights in my seat.

Thanks dp is off for a week so I'm hoping the worst will be over by then...

I always hit ds's head on the stairgate coming up the stairs blush

SkiBunnnnny Thu 28-Mar-13 21:21:49

Thanks for all the info! We are in Canada and are flying from BC to Ontario, total travel time is around 7h with one stop so shouldn't be too bad <crosses fingers>

Barb- we have had a few proper laughs now, totally melts my heart!

WLmum Thu 28-Mar-13 21:32:48

barbeasty I had the first proper laughs yesterday bouncing T on my knee, of course every time I have tried it since I e had lovely big grins but no laugh. These babies do like to keep us on our toes!

WLmum Thu 28-Mar-13 21:59:44

My word T is enormous! She's at the end of 3/6 month grows - she's only 14.5 weeks! I've just got some 6-9 m stuff out!im thrilled that my milk is making her grow so well but bloody hell!

utopian99 Thu 28-Mar-13 22:45:13

Oooh envy of all the laughs!

Dh is sending soppy drunken texts.. Is it wrong that I enjoy this aspect of him getting tipsy? He hardly ever drinks much since O was born so he's a massive lightweight these days.

Well my private cake party is utterly out of control; cake and apple turnover AND after eights. Dear god.

SkiBunnnnny Thu 28-Mar-13 22:45:36

Wow WL that is big! DS is 16 weeks and only just out of 0-3. Has always been bang on 50th percentile, how boringly average!

MaMaPo Fri 29-Mar-13 01:14:32

WL, that's a bouncing baby! I have one too, some of the 3-6 month clothes are getting snug.

?growth spurt here. My husband gave a 5oz dream feed at half ten which she guzzled and she woke up really crying about 20min ago. Not sure if its teeth or hunger (or both) but she's taking a decent amount. Oh, big baby.

MaMaPo Fri 29-Mar-13 02:30:43

And up again.

EggsMichelle Fri 29-Mar-13 03:04:42

Think F is getting used to his cot, cried at 10.30 cause he hit the bars, but went straight back to sleep with a kiss and cuddle, then fed at 2. Thank god the horrible sleep week is coming to an end.

F is in 6-9m dungarees and his vests and sleep suits are tugging around him! Even got him a 9-12m coat which fits him perfectly with a jumper underneath!

Really want to go to the York chocolate festival tomo but not got anyone to go with, do I go on my own?

SeymoreBunnies Fri 29-Mar-13 03:40:00

seconds glad the flight home was ok, hopefully you're not too jet lagged. I always get worse jet lag coming to Australia than I do going back to the UK.

mama I find the sizes really vary by store. DS is in 9-12 months Next clothes, but still squeezes into 3-6 months John Lewis stuff. confused

utopian that sounds amazing, I've got a massive craving for after eights now!

honey I've bumped DS's head on a door too. I think it's just the shock that makes them cry. My older 2 have had a few good knocks to the head, as long as they cry straight away (i.e. they weren't knocked out) you don't need to worry too much.

spotty I had a little moan about being fat in front of DH, it was met with silence! I guess that means he agrees!

Coming out of the other side of this dreadful mastitis now. I've had a temperature of 39/40 degrees, a cracking headache, aches and vomiting. My breast is very dark red in places, I'm a bit worried it's going to abscess.

Secondsop Fri 29-Mar-13 04:16:22

seymore that bout of mastitis sounds absolutely awful - hope it's gone soon. I don't think I appreciated (prior to reading these threads) what a whole-body-experience mastitis is.

WL what a sturdy bouncing baby! z is still in 0-3 at 17 weeks old but we'll be moving up a size soon in the things with feet as he's getting a bit long for them.

Found out some lovely news a couple of days ago that a friend from work who had less than 1 full ovary after a cyst operation and who had written off children as a possibility years ago, is unexpectedly pregnant. Am so delighted for her. She's been married 10 years and hasn't so much always wanted children as not even begun to consider them given her medical situation and had settled into a child-free life eg no plans for IVF
or adoption when poof! Out of the blue, and no-one more astonished than herself.

WLmum Fri 29-Mar-13 04:40:12

seymour that sounds horrendous! I hope not for the abscess.

seconds that's lovely news. Hope all goes smoothly for them.

This is out first feed - she's gone 8-4! She did wake me up some time earlier (who knows when!) but sucked her fingers back to sleep. Not sure if its still the after effects of the jabs or progress (please please!)

MaMaPo Fri 29-Mar-13 05:15:00

No more than 30 mins sleep since 1am. I hate the world.

IsThatTrue Fri 29-Mar-13 06:03:29

Hurrah! He went 9.15-1.45 and 2.10-5.50! After last weeks every 2 hrs I am very happy with him. He did stir at 2.40 ish but I shoved his dummy in and he went back to sleep shock (first time he's re-settled in bed).

Now I just hope that last week was his sleep regression even though he's not officially 4 months until 8/4. 16 weeks tomorrow though! How come pregnancy didn't go this quickly?!

Sorry to hear of your bad night mama

Welcome home seconds
seymore I think it was you your mastitis sounds awful. I'm glad you're feeling a bit better!

Barbeasty Fri 29-Mar-13 07:11:24

YY to clothes sizes varying. JL seems to get a bit smaller for toddlers though, apart from around the waist. DD will be 3 in June and we still have an age 2 skirt she can't wear because it just falls down.

A woke up every hour last night. I went to bed exhausted around 9.15 and was woken up exhausted by a very exuberant DD at 5.30am.

I just picked A up from his playmat and he grabbed at one of the hanging toys. He carried the mat with us for a few meters.

The first few seconds of feeding is really hurting again, just on one side, any ideas? Also getting a shooting pain every few minutes in the same side (in breast tissue) sad

Pretty sure I've got another blocked duct that side too ffs

2blessed Fri 29-Mar-13 07:32:37

eggs I hope you go to the festival, you'll have a great time doing something for you and you'll prob meet people to chat to once you're there.

Great sleep news wl, fx that its progress. smile

Off to buy ds' cot today, bit sad as it means he'll be moving into his own room...

Thanks all. D has survived his head bang!

He's only just into 0-3months and a lot of them are still too big!

WLmum Fri 29-Mar-13 12:11:09

spotty that sounds bad.

Well, the negative of sleeping til 4 is that she thought it was morning and was full of smiles and chat. I refused to play and lauded down with her, getting her back in her cot at 5.30.

I've got a milk blister now too sad

EggsMichelle Fri 29-Mar-13 13:20:00

What's a milk blister? Sounds very unpleasant.

Been for new bras, felt the shapeless nursing bras should be replaced since I'm not bfing anymore. Gone from B pre pregnancy, DD post birth and now a C, my sad little spaniels ears! And I hate other shoppers, I know I chose a terrible day to shop (nurses don't know what bank holidays are until the following payday) but they had zero sympathy for the pushchair, arse holes.

Barbeasty Fri 29-Mar-13 14:15:23

Ouch. Not good spotty.

We got the bumbo down from the roof. After a worrying conversation with DD about how it isn't a potty and she can't poo in it, A managed over 5 minutes in it before his head began to wobble a bit and we took him out to prevent screaming.

We've managed about 10 mins in the jumperoo before screaming started. I'm starting to worry as this child doesn't like anything stimulating!

SkiBunnnnny Fri 29-Mar-13 15:02:45

Seymore, that mastitis sounds awful, hope it passes soon.

That is such a lovely story seconds!

Barb, my LO is such a grabby little baby! He tried to bring the whole roll of paper that goes over the bed with him at the doctors!

Spotty could it be the blocked duct that is causing the pain? I've had similar before (without the blocked duct) but not really sure what it was. Thought it might have been that he had been chomping or pulling a bit to hard and it was kind of 'bruised' (not v helpful sorry!)

SkiBunnnnny Fri 29-Mar-13 15:04:42

We are just waking up, not sure what to do with our day. DH is working 12ish hour days all weekend so probably not going to get to go to my Zumba class tonight sad

utopian99 Fri 29-Mar-13 15:06:10

Well we're en route! Little O is finally asleep in his car seat after much faffing around and NOT drinking of ebm from his bottle (still real problems getting him to take the bottle. .) But cats making hideous mournful noises from their carriers. sad

Tempting to hammer the journey with no break but it's over the recommended 2hrs in a car seat (3hrs ish)

If he's asleep and you're making good time utopian I would keep going. I think the guidance is more to stop people having their baby asleep in them most of the day.

Thanks for the sympathies I'm just feeling a bit sorry for myself blush

Well carpet 1 potty >10 (lost count).

Seymore you are doing really well still bf through all the awful mastitis you've had.

Ds has slept all of 30 minutes today hmm he gets bored really easily too honey.

I'm sorry it's taken me so long to write this I've forgotten what everyone else has said blush I'm making chicken goujons and potato wedges tonight for dinner smile

WLmum Fri 29-Mar-13 16:15:25

utopian I'd keep going too if all is well, agree with spotty. The occasional extra hour won't hurt. I always think guidelines like that are for those with no common sense or judgement! T slept in hers for 3 hours the other day as timing meant moving her and likely waking her would have resulted in upset all round.

IsThatTrue Fri 29-Mar-13 16:16:38

I think our mammoth eating of our growth spurt has finished, my boobs are fucking killing me huge and hard most the time today.

Oh I hate that IsThat! Hopefully shouldn't last long.

MaMaPo Fri 29-Mar-13 18:58:22

Hello all. Utopian, good luck with the move; Spotty, hope it all feels better soon. I think I have a touch of thrush back. I have the topical cream and if it doesn't go away will get in touch with GP. On Tuesday, I guess.

Lovely day out to Kew Gardens today - went with a friend, her husband and 6 month old, and my husband too. We took the boat up from Westminster. Apart from big screams when we got on the boat, C was a delight. I gave her some Calpol which sorted her out. We had a lovely wander in the gardens and greenhouses, a fun lunch and train home. Good fun.

Everyone cross fingers that last night's terribly unhappy baby is nowhere to be seen tonight. Ta.

WLmum Fri 29-Mar-13 20:04:59

mama I love kew! You won't be here when C is old enough for the brill play areas will you.

This Easter I will mostly be horrible shouty mum! Wonder if a glass of red will sort me out? !

WLmum Fri 29-Mar-13 20:06:51

But joy of joys, I had the nappies pegged out in the line! Love washing drying outside! Sad but true!

SeymoreBunnies Fri 29-Mar-13 20:19:16

Just a quick post as DS is having a yell but spotty is the milk blister still there? I've had one, the milk duct is blocked at the nipple. Have a google of ways to unblock it and get the milk moving again. It's really important to keep it clean after it's popped though, you don't want to end up with an infection like the one I've just had!! Back to the GP for me this morning, still v sore and a lump in my armpit now. I've been reading horror stories on here about abscesses!

ISpyPlumPie Fri 29-Mar-13 20:25:04

Hope the move has gone well Utopian and that you're not in too much pain Spotty. Sounds like a lovely day Mama. So nice that the weather's picked up a bit - far more opportunity to get out and about.

Think teething has started in earnest. You can just see some white on N's top gum and he has spent the afternoon mostly chewing his hand. Should fit nicely with the sleep regression we also started last night (though I suppose that could be teeth too).

Thanks Seymore. It's not like a normal milk blister as in it's not a white lump it's more just a white bit on the nipple. I think I've cleared the blocked duct deeper in the breast, not sure it's 100% gone but it's much better and I managed to pick off the skin over the top of the milk blister and then fed ds and there's no white there anymore it bloody hurt though I might have to get the lansinoh out tonight!

Ds is really chompy ISpy but I can't see or feel anything yet so I'm wondering if it's just a new thing he's learnt!

I've never been to kew gardens sounds lovely though smile

SeymoreBunnies Fri 29-Mar-13 20:49:04

Good news spotty mine was a white patch too, it's been there for ages now and I have to keep unblocking it. I don't think it helps that it's 30 degrees outside and my breast pads get very <ahem> sweaty, perfect conditions for bugs!

mama sounds like a lovely day, I love kew!

Surrey peeps, RHS Wisley is lovely and worth a visit, especially when the blossom's out.

ispy I think we're having that problem too. Another awful night and DS's biting is getting worse.

WLmum Fri 29-Mar-13 21:17:54

Boob issues sound horrendous - hope they're all better soon. I'd never heard of a milk blister.

Wisley is our second home! Annual membership is such a bargain. And I went into labour with dd1 there! Every year we take a photo of us at the same spot as the last pg pic.

WillYouDoTheBunnyHop Fri 29-Mar-13 21:33:10

Just catching up now, I'm fucking exhausted tired. DP has done 2 x 16 hour shifts so he's knackered but he doesn't realise that when he leaves at 5am he wakes up J and when he walks in at 9 I'm just settling him to bed, so my day is just as long. He spent last night asking me to bring him things as he's so tired, slept through the 6am feed and then spent all day telling me how tired he is. And now he's gone on the piss and is off to footy tomorrow, so obviously not that tired. I know I'm BU as he has worked really hard this week but I want to scream "I'm tired too!". angry

J's had 5 bouts of screaming in his sleep since 9pm sad, I've just calpoled. I don't want to give it unnecessarily but I can feel 5 separate hard spots on his gums and there's been dribble running down his face all day. Poor thing must be in agony.

Might go to bed, rock and roll!

MaMaPo Fri 29-Mar-13 21:47:43

Willyou, I'm in bed! Very rock and roll. I think you dd the right thing with the Calpol, in retrospect I should have done it last night.

WLmum Fri 29-Mar-13 22:23:44

willyou uaNbu! I feel the same with my DH. He does work long hours and he is v hands on at home but so do I and so am I! He's going to be working really hard next week and today I just gently point out to him that him working long hours means I'm also working extra hard looking after 3 kids over the Easter holidays so no school/gym/playgroup etc. luckily for him, he got what I was saying!

Feel mean that I was rotten and impatient now looking at my beautiful sleeping babies. But in no other job do you have to be at work 24/7. It's no wonder we get short tempered sometimes.

utopian99 Fri 29-Mar-13 22:44:47

spotty and Seymour soo sorry for boob problems; I'd never heard of a milk blister but sounds deeply unpleasant. Hope things clear up swiftly..

wl - so true that it's 24/7 - all the excitement of moving means ds has only just gone to sleep! Dh had to drive us all (inc unhappy cats,) with what must have been a pretty unpleasant hangover as I was in the back of the car trying to keep ds chilled. In the end to calm shouty baby I ended up with buckle off, half over the car seat in order for him to feed while remaining strapped in. SO uncomfortable!

BUT we are here! Settled in a bed the size of a football pitch which is a good thing as O's travel cot didn't fit in the car what with everything else so will be coming down next weekend.
Hopefully good sleep tonight for all of us (Inc lovely thread ladies and babies)

WillYouDoTheBunnyHop Fri 29-Mar-13 22:59:26

I'm still up, had a beer instead! Just one as I'll be on the early feed.

Thanks Mama, it's a fine line between overdosing them to shut them up and not letting them be in pain. He's been asleep 1.5h now so I obviously did the right thing.

Glad the move wasn't too traumatic Utopian, grin at the image of you sailing down the M6 poking 1 boob in DS's face!

It's fucking hard work WL, I have no idea how you cope with 3 DC 24 hours a day. Do you have any nice tiring days out planned? Looking at sleeping DS I actually miss him as I can't hold him, but I still reeeeeeally don't want him to wake up again!

SkiBunnnnny Fri 29-Mar-13 23:24:04

Those are some impressive feeding skills utopian!

WillYou I feel your pain. DH works long hours and sometimes 7 days a week. I know that he works hard and is tired but I feel like when he doesn't get a day off I don't either. And I miss having family time if he's out of the house for the whole time that DS is awake.

It is 4pm here, just got home from a lovely long walk. Pushing a buggy in the snow is hard work but at least I got some exercise!

halestone Fri 29-Mar-13 23:46:53

Utopian, glad your move went well and that you all arrived safely.

Spotty and Seymore hope your boobs are feeling better.

Eggs did you go to the chocolate festival? Was it good?

Ski, whereabouts are you? Sounds like hardwork pushing the pram through the snow. You must deserve a chocolate reward for the extra calories burned.

Mama hope your having a better night.

WL hope you get some sleep also i think men think we do nothing at home.

Isthat glad your getting better sleeps grin

We're also almost grown out of 3-6 months and today have had to buy a load of 6-9 month clothing. I am so proud tonight, H managed to roll from her back onto her front and then she rolled back again gringrin

halestone Fri 29-Mar-13 23:48:58

Willyou enjoy your beer i hope his teething isn't hurting him too much

SkiBunnnnny Sat 30-Mar-13 00:11:42

I'm in Canada so it's real snow. Thankfully spring is definitely coming and a lot of it has melted! I am having tea and biscuits as a reward. DS slept the whole way so is now so full of beans and shrieking and squealing (but in a happy way) at the top of his lungs!

halestone Sat 30-Mar-13 00:38:20

I love the happy shriek and squawk. H also does a happy growl now haha

First wake up after he went down at seven. Not too bad...

IsThatTrue Sat 30-Mar-13 03:40:16

Sorry to hear of boob issues, this bfing is hard work!

spotty yay for good sleeping

DS has been up twice since going down at 9.30. But he's been having awful teeth pain. Sooo much dribble and screeching randomly after trying to chew his own hand off. I hate teething! Do he had an awfully unsettled evening poor mite!

EggsMichelle Sat 30-Mar-13 03:45:01

Hope everyone is sleeping peacefully ( no tooth aches or boob pain disturbing!)

Well I'm Rock n Roll! F is at the ILs tonight and iv just been on my first drunken night out. My feet hurt and the world is spinning slightly but I had an amazing time!

Second wake up.... Bad night for us. Will have to go back to a dream feed of he does this again

MaMaPo Sat 30-Mar-13 05:11:24

Oh eggs, you wild thing! Glad you enjoyed yourself.

Well done babyhales!

Much much better night here - just up for first feed after dream feed. Annoyingly though she wouldn't take the bottle of ebm from my husband - just wanted to play. So I had to wake and feed, and throw away 4 lovely oz of milk.

Hope the teeth aren't too much bother is that.

WillYouDoTheBunnyHop Sat 30-Mar-13 05:19:33

Yawn, morning! Teeth have made fora restless baby here.

Get you Eggs glad you had a good time. Hope you're not too hungover tomorrow!

Clarella Sat 30-Mar-13 07:50:07

morning all!

so sorry to hear of milk blisters - horrid.

well done on the move utopian!

we've finally finished our course of amoxycillin but didn't stop him waking every 2 hours and grunting and squirming from 4 sad I seem to have catnapped tho, and we're co sleeping second half of night. I'm wondering if also teething plus 4 month sleep regression/ growth spurt too. however, I'm delighted that my son was able to properly suck my face with a good seal yesterday and barely needed burping in the night so I'm feeling hopeful that the tongue tie snip has helped smile

I'd give anything for the 4 hours he used to do! why did we complain about those?!

hope everyone has a nice weekend planned smile

WLmum Sat 30-Mar-13 08:02:04

utopian I'm loving the image of you bfing in the back if a mini leaning over o with cats and stuff piled around you! Maybe you can start an extreme bfing trend like the extreme ironing of a few years back. Top marks! If you decide you need a travel cot in the meantime you can always borrow mine (sheets and all!) as I'm only down the road.

Well done baby hales - this morning T had rolled into her back in her cot but wouldn't do it again when I moved her back.

Hoorah for nights out eggs

WLmum Sat 30-Mar-13 08:03:32

Great news on the suction clarella!

ISpyPlumPie Sat 30-Mar-13 09:06:38

One year today since BFP shock.

grin ISpy I've got another three weeks but will be reliving it especially the bit where dp said he would rather I wasn't pregnant

3rd April for our BFP anniversary!

WillYouDoTheBunnyHop Sat 30-Mar-13 10:37:01

3 more weeks here too. Thats shitty Spotty, DP didn't believe me as I'd thought I was pregnant every month for the last 6 months.

I've got one poorly teething baby here, bright red cheeks and really grizzly. He's had teething gel how often can he have calpol?

I think it's every 4-6 hours WillYou? Yeah we weren't planning on trying for a few more months and had a holiday booked etc. he wouldn't buy me a test because he didn't believe I could be pregnant!

Ds is asleep on me so I have to stay here on the sofa whilst dp cleans the bathroom grin

willyou D is really grizzly and dribbly still too - I was site they were imminent but the bumps are there ad not doing anything but causing pain sad it's horrible isn't it. Calpol is minimum 4 hours between doses I think with a maximum of 4 doses in 24 hours. The nurofen for infants is good too and can be used as well as calp

Fat thumbs... As well as calpol. A friend who is a dentist and said the ibuprofen based medicine is more likely to help reduce the swelling and the dose can be split and given more often so instead of 2.5ml every 6 hours do half of it at 3 hour intervals but I have no medical training and am only passing on what ice been told

utopian99 Sat 30-Mar-13 10:47:12

No teething here yet and hoping they hold off as long as poss!

No idea when our bfp was.. blush

Barbeasty Sat 30-Mar-13 10:56:47

My bfp was easter Sunday, so I think next Sunday. I remember not telling DH until we were driving away from lunch at MIL's.

Should have been a nice lie in etc this morning, with DD having a sleepover at MIL's with her very patient 14yr old cousin. But A decided to wake up and chat away at 6am. At least he had slept a bit better beforehand.

WillYouDoTheBunnyHop Sat 30-Mar-13 10:59:31

DS has fallen asleep on me too he's sleeping upright on me as he screams when he lays flat. Thanks Honey I may have a walk for some ibuprofen later then. I hate seeing him poorly sad

TMI is there any such thing after you've had a baby? I'm having periods pains from hell! It feels like early labour. Takes me back grin

Oh WillYou sad think you could do with some ibuprofen too!

WillYouDoTheBunnyHop Sat 30-Mar-13 11:21:40

Just waiting for it to kick in now. When they were this bad in labour the codeined me!

EggsMichelle Sat 30-Mar-13 11:43:25

My bfp was 2nd, I was on night shifts and had the most horrendous 'period pains' the night before and a desire to eat a lot of eggs (hence the stupid name!).

F is still at ILs so waiting for the tumble drier to finish to get the ironing done. I loving this hangover, no headache, no sick, just an immense desire to drink lilt.

It's bloody snowing here again, grrr.

WillYouDoTheBunnyHop Sat 30-Mar-13 11:53:06

I ate dairy products Eggs, 4-5 portions a day I couldn't stop even before my BFP. At exactly 6 weeks (later adjusted to 5 after scan) I got morning sickness and couldn't touch anything dairy. I think I was stockpiling calcium. Clever body!

I have approximately 42 loads of washing to do and I cannot even be arsed to move.

willyou my first post-baby period was horrendous. Worse than early labour and was heavier than they used to be too. The second one was slightly better

WillYouDoTheBunnyHop Sat 30-Mar-13 12:02:25

I've bled continually since starting mini pill 9w ago, 5d after lochia stopped. This is 2nd heavy period in that time and it's horrific, off to docs next week I've never bled on mini pill before.

I thought my period has come back as I had a week of light bleeding but that was five weeks ago and nothing since

I found the mini pill made me bleed then went back on the combined pill if been on since I was 16 with no problems and have had a hideous time on it so have given up on contraception decided just to leave it as we're planning another one soon and if it happened a bit quicker it would be fab ok. I was told having a baby just messes with helpers so something you were fine with before might cause problems now sad

Ahh, the moment after you accidentally get LO with a fingernail and hold your breath while waiting to see if he noticed enough to start screeching...

Honey I was told the combined pill doesn't mix well with bf

EggsMichelle Sat 30-Mar-13 12:24:14

Willyou I went off eggs when morning sickness set in as well, and still not keen on them now (never been a big egg fan)

Not had a period yet, just spotting. The coil appears o suit me.

It reduces milk supply spotty but I'd always had good supply so thought I'd risk it- that wasn't the problem it just gave me a lot of bleeding and really heavy periods

Oh I think I remember you saying smile

I don't like eggs at all bleurgh.

I bled for six months straight on the coil then had regular periods confused

WLmum Sat 30-Mar-13 12:51:26

No idea when our BFP was, and it was a bit of a happy surprise as we've had fertility issues and were undecided about 3rd dc so were just leaving it to chance for a bit and with 2 dds, jobs etc weren't having lots if action in the boudoir anyway DH was lovely though when I showed him the stick - he was speechless in a funny happy way.

Just got back from the walk in clinic - dd2 has hand, foot and mouth disease :-(. It's not as bad as it sounds but she has loads of blisters and its contagious - hoping little T doesn't get it but bet she does. Poor dd2 always gets everything really badly when dd1 usually gets off lightly. Reversal if the whole bf immunity thing as dd1 wasn't and dd2 was!

WL if you keep really close to dd1 and lick her lots grin then your body should start making antibodies and pass them on through your milk

ISpyPlumPie Sat 30-Mar-13 12:54:21

Still no period here - didn't get one until 14 months last time, which suited me fine. Even though I'd had a nightmare with them in my teens/early twenties (the only time they were bearable was when I was on the pill) I had no problems at all post-pg so maybe the hormones worked in the opposite direction for me. Hope you're feeling better soon Willyou - period pain is vile sad

More classic from my sister telling me I shouldn't tell dd she's a good girl or clever etc because its generic praise (?!) and I should actually sit down and give her a ten hour lecture on why what she's done is so good hmm

I think saying 'oh dd you're being such a good girl sitting there eating your lunch nicely' is quite enough and won't damage her for life, surely?!

WillYouDoTheBunnyHop Sat 30-Mar-13 13:22:10

Oh poor DD2 WL that sounds horrid. Just in time for the Easter hols too sad

I've just had a bath with DS and he's crashed out so I've dumped him in his bed and am having a spot of lunch. Might even run the hoover round downstairs shock

WillYouDoTheBunnyHop Sat 30-Mar-13 13:24:34

Oh DD getting a nutritionally balanced diet is very important for growth and development. This means that your achievements at the dinner table this morning are especially important. This has resulted in you receiving a fucking huge piece of Easter egg for afters grin. Would that work for her Spotty? Does she have kids?

Yes just the one child genius same age as dd... She's just obsessed with parenting and it winds me up!

WLmum Sat 30-Mar-13 13:54:58

Tell her something like too much attention on minor aspects/details of behaviour leaves children nervous wrecks and unable to complete basic tasks independently (disclaimer - I have entirely made this up for the purposes of being mean!)

halestone Sat 30-Mar-13 15:11:06

Hope DD2 gets better soon and that the rest of you manage to avoid it WL.

My BFP was 22nd of March last year, still no sign of my periods returning yet. And i still have to get the coil sorted.

Haha spotty i like WL's idea.

Ds won't stop bloody crying and now my muffins are burnt. All twelve will have to go in the bin and of course dp has fucked off to football because it's important he gets to have fun but the rest of us don't matter

WillYouDoTheBunnyHop Sat 30-Mar-13 16:14:08

I feel you Spotty, DP's gone too. Also why does 1 football match require being out for 5 hours?

It's ridiculous! Dp said 'I'll come straight home though because it's away'. He left at 12:40 and, like you say, won't be back for five hours at least. I've text him saying I can't be bothered to make dinner tonight (hoping he gets the hint and gets a takeaway). He's got a game on Monday too hmm

WillYouDoTheBunnyHop Sat 30-Mar-13 16:27:41

I've already told DP we're going to the Chinese chippy. He left at 12pm and will be back between 5 and 6. They don't kick off until 2:30pm but anyone not in the pub for "team talk" hmm at 12:30pm doesn't get to play. And there's a game on Wednesday for him. Are you a parallel me at the other end of the country Spotty?

I hate it, especially as I've had to give up my Zumba for the last few weeks as DS is so grizzly at night because of his teeth. I'd hate to make my mum and dad put him down when he's like that.

WillYouDoTheBunnyHop Sat 30-Mar-13 16:30:28

Ooh he's back early as they were away...

Dp didn't kick off until three so won't be finished yet. Playing 30 minutes south but he left his car 20 minutes the opposite direction from us so he could get a lift hmm

WillYouDoTheBunnyHop Sat 30-Mar-13 17:33:24

Chinese is shut for Easter, noooooooooooooo! They only ever used to shut on Chinese new year so it's blindsided us. Fucking westernisation! grin

shock I hope ours isn't!! Dp isn't even back to where his car is yet hmm

SkiBunnnnny Sat 30-Mar-13 17:54:23

Gah! Just realised I only have 6 nappies left. Nearest supermarket is an hours drive and wasn't planning on going until Tuesday. Will have to go to the local shop and pay 3x normal price

Ds has been either crying or feeding all afternoon. I'm about ready to throw his across the room blush

EggsMichelle Sat 30-Mar-13 19:22:30

Oh dear, Saturday has not been kind to you. I took on Tesco just before FIL returned DS, did loads of laundry and ironing, then DH and FIL artexed the kitchen ceiling (bath leaked and ceiling fell through) and hung the garden gate. All with the tiniest of hangovers, very pleased!

Have missed F loads though and very disappointed he was ready to go to bed at his usual time.

SkiBunnnnny Sat 30-Mar-13 19:40:12

Sorry your DS is having a tough day spotty, is he teething?

What a productive Saturday eggs! It is beautiful here today, I just want to go sit on a patio drinking baileys coffee all day.

Sorry I'm calmer now I've had my Chinese and dp is home six fucking hours later I don't think so, possibly a growth spurt.

Remember the clocks tonight everyone we can pretend the babies has slept an hour longer than they actually have wink

MaMaPo Sat 30-Mar-13 19:44:15

Oh Spotty, tough times. Is Calpol or similar any help? C was very good all day and then turned into screeching banshee when feeding before bedtime - arching off madly and really fighting the breast. She calmed down eventually but it was quite stressful.

He was mainly hungry I think but it sometimes takes me a while to realise when it's only been an hour since he fed hmmblush he went straight down at seven I think might be joining him soon...

MaMaPo Sat 30-Mar-13 20:04:48

Spotty, do you need a frank chat with your partner? Sorry if you've been there, done that.

I don't think it would make any difference tbh. He plays once a week and trains once a week but it's 25-30 minutes away and that's when it's at home plus they have to be there over an hour before kick off and if they don't go to training they don't get to play blah blah blah blah

MaMaPo Sat 30-Mar-13 21:06:26

Hmm. That sounds really tough. Does he realise how much time away it involves? I mean, in real terms, for you and how it affects your week?

TMI time guys - my husband and I finally got around to having sex again and it was surprisingly painful, even though I had a C section and we were being slow and careful. I was kind of disappointed in how tricky it was - can someone just chime in to reassure me that it's just difficult through lack of use and we'll get back to normal soon? My husband is wonderful and reassuring but man, I definitely want our old sex life back at some stage. Thanks.

WLmum Sat 30-Mar-13 21:43:11

Quite normal mama and another we can blame on bfing! Hormonal stuff still going on could be making things trickier. Try a bit of lube ? Well done for making a start - I'm still working on it. Everytime I think we can get on it something gets in the way.

My right boob is sore today. Am really hoping its just from being a bit engorged last night and today. Oddly it's the less productive one.

Bit worried, D seems to reach milestones then forget things! A few weeks ago he suddenly started grabbing his ring-toy and putting them in his mouth, after a couple of days he stopped and now still doesn't really try to put things in his mouth. Then the other day he rolled over, did it loads for 2 days and now won't anymore and just screams on his tummy. Is this something to worry about?

itsMYNutella Sat 30-Mar-13 22:18:20

Evening all!

Honey I'm sure it is absolutely normal! T will show off a new strange noise or little skill and then we won't see it again for a bit - he started doing some funny lip sucking and seemed to forget about it for a week or two. Perhaps D just feels he has mastered each trick and doesn't see the point in practicing them? wink

Mama my Gynae told me that things are more delicate and dry down there during breast feeding (because of pesky hormones) and so finding it a bit uncomfortable is normal and just use plenty of lube. She actually went into more detail than I needed confused but, still good to know its all normal grin

It's still snowing here, sadly not enough to make snow bunnies wink but enough to make me feel sad so I'm going to eat lots of biscuit and Easter eggs grin Come on spring!!!

ISpyPlumPie Sun 31-Mar-13 00:09:34

Sorry I missed your post about your DD earlier WL - hope she's better soon.

Hope your weekend improves Spotty.

N's on antibiotics again - another infection in his belly button. He's completely fine otherwise, and we seem to have caught it early but just a bit worried that he's had two now. I don't think it ever healed properly and a bit of googling (I know, I know I should step away from the google!) leads me to think he might need it cauterising. The OOH doc said to make an appointment with GP next week so will see what the verdict is. In the meantime, we're away at a wedding for two nights from tomorrow so am going to have to come up with a scheme to keep the antibiotics at the right temperature in a hotel that doesn't have fridges in the rooms.

SeymoreBunnies Sun 31-Mar-13 03:26:52

ispy how cold is it outside now? Is there a balcony/window area that you could pop the antibiotics (in a Tupperware) or might they freeze solid? I hope N's infection clears up soon.

wl I hope DD gets better soon and it doesn't spread!

honey yep we have the same, DS nearly rolled over 2 weeks ago, then didn't try again until yesterday!

spotty I hope your weekend gets better. sad Hopefuly DP can help out lots from now on? DS has been really screamy for the last few days. I've had to put him down a couple of times and take a breather before going back.

mama yy breastfeeding hormones can make things a bit uncomfortable.

I think our BFP was 25th march last year. I can remember taking the test thinking what a ridiculous waste of time it was. The GP had prescribed me some medication that was teratogenic so I needed to take a test before starting it. I pointed out that I was using contraception, not due on for ages etc. I've never been so shocked than when I saw the second line appear at 8 dpo, clever DS!

I never get AF back until I've dropped down to 2 feeds a day.

Secondsop Sun 31-Mar-13 04:26:56

My bfp was on 2 April - that's the one I'm counting, although with hindsight the ones on 1 April with the internet cheapies were also positive but were too faint to rely on.

mamapo we got back on the horse after my 6 week check and it felt pretty uncomfortable; I had a vaginal birth and a second degree tear so everything still didn't feel quite right. Now things are better but still quite dry and still a bit different in a way that i cant put my finger on,
and I only breastfeed a couple of times a day so I can imagine it must be harder hormone-wise if you're exclusively breast feeding.

WLmum Sun 31-Mar-13 05:07:55

Oh learnt a new word - thanks seymour!

ispy poor n that's horrid. Sounds like it needs something doing. Can the hotel keep the meds in a kitchen fridge? Not sure I'd feel all that comfortable with that though. How about taking a little cool bag and a freezer ice pack?

EggsMichelle Sun 31-Mar-13 05:09:59

Mama what contraception are you using? When I was on the depot I was always dry, and although we arn't bf'ing any more, I was dry when we dtd yesterday. Thank fully I still have my labido though!

First wake up going back to sleep not going too well, DH coughed making F cry, then F burped and woke himself up and now he's grizzling in his cot. Bugger!

utopian99 Sun 31-Mar-13 06:00:02

mama we've been on normal 'married relations', as it were, since 3 weeks post partum, but I second the others- lube is the key! Dh was very careful for a good few weeks as well. is it weird that I sort of enjoyed the first time after? a bit like a re-losing of 'born again' virginity

spotty hope your dp is more usefully present for the rest of easter?

Wishing good luck to those with lurgi!

After a further 8 hrs driving from dh we have all our basic stuff and I had an altogether too-fun time putting it all away last night. Off to the boat race later today and to meet friends down here!

Ugh 3rd wake up

Hmm ISpy I have similar issues with my insulin when I'm on holiday. I know mine is ok out the fridge for a bit though not sure about antibiotics confused

We had two wakes ups last night I knew the good sleeping wouldn't last he's not going more than four hours again now...

Hope you have a lively day utopian sounds fun smile

Dp is off to football again tomorrow but I will try not to come on here ranting blush my sister and bil are coming anyway and I haven't seen them since Christmas.

Seymore what a shock that must have been!!

MaMaPo Sun 31-Mar-13 07:55:49

Thanks everyone. I'm ion the mini pill and can't tell if its bfing, exhaustion or that which has affected libido. We def used plenty of lube ( oh, TMI!) but it was v tight. I'm sure it will improve with practice.

No idea when BFP was - I realised I was late a few days after Easter, and took the test a week after that. Surprised it was positive as we'd been trying for only 6 weeks.

EggsMichelle Sun 31-Mar-13 08:53:24

Happy Easter everyone!

8hrs and 3hrs. I think he has got used to his cot, and the breathable bumpers are brilliant (shame they look so boring). Off to ILs today for roast dinner, and eat lots of chocolate.

Spotty im going to sound terrible but DH injured himself playing rugby whilst i was pregnant and I'm secretly please as he hasn't had that excuse. Ill want him out from under my feet next season!

I suppose it could be worse, they could be golfers!

Such a lovely day. IL's are coming round later bleurgh. They're fine I just can't be bothered plus they will want to hold my baby. Hope they've got me an Easter egg no one else had <sob>

EggsMichelle Sun 31-Mar-13 09:03:53

I had to buy my own bag of mis shapes from the Cadbury shop else I'd have no chocolate either!

Bil and FIL golf, once we move house DH will probably be golfing too confused

SeymoreBunnies Sun 31-Mar-13 09:34:47

spotty DH is a golfer, but he does it less since we came here. It used to really annoy me, a whole day of the weekend gone and he took the car. angry

IsThatTrue Sun 31-Mar-13 09:46:00

Horrible night teething last night sad ds2 spent most of the night asleep on me with my nipple in his mouth hmm he would not take the dummy!

honey it is completely normal for them to learn something and then forget it for the next x days (or even weeks) all mine have done it for various things.

MaMaPo Sun 31-Mar-13 09:54:42

Sleepy house here - we've all taken C's morning nap and are likely to be late for champagne brunch with friends. Oh well.

My husband doesn't play sport but goes for long rides with his cyclist buddies. Doesn't do it in London but will when back in Aus. Brilliantly, his other hobby is cooking and he's just started baking. He made English muffins last night and I just had one for breakfast. smile He's a catch.

SeymoreBunnies Sun 31-Mar-13 09:55:17

Oh and Happy Easter everyone!

Nearly 8pm here so I've got some wine and a crunchie. I'm not supposed to be eating dairy but I've watched everyone else scoff chocolate all day and cracked. grin

isthat sad you must be shattered. I hope you can rest today.

SeymoreBunnies Sun 31-Mar-13 09:57:22

mama envy !!

Hmm dark mucousy poo from ds hmm teething?

So pissed off with mil. Ds was crying and she just let him saying 'oh dear' to him. Then she starts rocking him and I say he's tired and she just keeps going basically leaving him crying then ten minutes later she goes 'do you want me to put him down so he can sleep?' Er no he's in such a state now the only thing I can do is feed him whereas I could have cuddled him to sleep before. I've come up to my room with ds angry

And I didn't get an egg

Oh dear spotty hope you're ok. Mils really are thoughtless at times, they don't seem to understand these babies just need their mum

D has been asleep on me for nearly 2 hours with a quick wake up when I had to go to the loo this is unheard of.

utopian99 Sun 31-Mar-13 11:33:52

Ohspotty I'm feeling for you. Just because people like to think they can 'sort out' a baby doesn't mean they should be allowed to prevent the mother who clearly can do it faster/better for their lo.
I tend to just hover until they have no choice but to hand back..

Barbeasty Sun 31-Mar-13 11:59:15

Ispy not much use while you're away, but have you been given a topical antibiotic cream to put on the tummy button? And are you wiping it with cotton wool and cooled boiled water?

A's "extra bit" fell of at about 8 weeks after the above, the main cord stump came off after 4 days.

DH took DD to church this morning. She was good so he popped to Tesco so she could get a treat..... Chocolate! Because she doesn't have enough today.

Dd has three uncles and her and ds are the only nieces/nephews yet not one of them got dd an egg. She hasn't had one so far hmm but I know my sister will have got her one tomorrow.

Ds won't go to sleep because he's so over tired therefore I'm thoroughly pissed off and will blame dp for the rest of the day grin

WLmum Sun 31-Mar-13 12:35:40

Oh spotty poor you and poor dd. sounds like they're all a thoughtless bunch. I have developed a thick skin and just take dd out of people's arms if I feel she wants/needs me. Wish I'd been brave enough with dd1. Before dd3 was born I did actually shout at fil who wouldn't hand over dd2 even though she was hysterical crying and screaming g for me. And I was not sorry!

Well woke up for a poo a play and a feed and is asleep again confused this is very unlike him, I think he's plotting something.

Clarella Sun 31-Mar-13 15:42:31

oh spotty mils can be tough. a hv suggested exactly the same - no can do when they're in that state. dh keeps attempting silly things like that when at home - he learnt he's lesson this morning and had to resort to going out in the pram grin

I would gladly swap your 4 hours for our 2 ;)

fucking buggery THRUSH. I think both of us. sodding antibiotics. luckily popped to walk in and got the drops for him cream for me(though think will ask for more - tablets?) yesterday but am sure tongue looks worse today and getting paranoid he's not feeding so well. after all the carry on with refluxy tongue tie crap, .bf refusal etc we'd been getting back into the swing of good bf ing, including NOT ON THE BED!


still, at least I know his kidneys will be thoroughly checked out sometime soon (a newcastle thing apparently)

SkiBunnnnny Sun 31-Mar-13 15:46:08

Morning! Happy Easter everyone.

Honey, I had that yesterday. LO never normally naps for more than half an hour during the day but was asleep on me from 5-7. I was so scared he would go to bed but was asleep again at 8.30 only half an hour later than normal.

Thanks guys! You reminded me that when the snow melts golf season is here! We live right beside the golf course and DH gets a free season pass through his work. Last year I would go along sometimes to occasionally hit a ball lie in the sun and drive around the golf cart but not sure if I could bring LO along this year. It can't be a good thing for babies to be around flying golf balls?

Clarella to help with the thrush wipe his mouth with a sterile wet cloth after each feed and reduce your sugar intake. You would need tablets if the thrush is internal?

I'm in so much pain still on one side, just like the first few weeks. I'm not sure why though

halestone Sun 31-Mar-13 16:44:44

Spotty sorry your having such a shitty day. Maybe book an appointment with your GP and get your boobs checked out?

Sorry that you've got thrush Clarella, but your doing brilliantly still breastfeeding through it all.

My DP is a golfer, hes taking me to the driving range its a sport i want to get H into although she is a girl. Is it good Ski?

Booked the church for H's christening its in September i know its ages away but want H to be able to sit up and handle being passed around smile

Maybe Hales, there's not much to see though confused I will give it a week and see what it's like!

Clarella Sun 31-Mar-13 19:49:58

pain in breast spotty ? Its worth getting checked out I think.

thanks for the tips - I thought tablets too - though yesterday I wasn't sure I had it but now I am since things feel better after using the .cream. will ask on Tuesday. currently caining probiotics, both tablets and live yoghurt! have effectively dealt with normal thrush 'doon there' like that in the past.

hope everyone had lovely Easter days! actually felt warm today!

It was in the breast before my blocked duct but now that's cleared it's just the nipple...

Well after going down perfectly ds has woken up crying a really sad/hurt cry (bottom lip included) so he's had teething gel and calpol and is now asleep on me smile

Also dentinox teething gel and bonjela teething gel are exactly the same but bonjela is £1 more hmm they were the only two they had but I suspect calgel et al are the same too...

WLmum Sun 31-Mar-13 20:55:10

clarella such bad luck just when things had taken a turn for the better! You are doing amazingly well, hopefully this will just be a temporary blip.

So my sore boob looks like a blocked duct - still sore after 2 days, bit lumpy and red segment under rather. I'm trying to feed off that side as much as possible and in the rugby ball hold to stimulate under rather but Tabs doesn't seem that keen. - it'sy less productive side and I'm wondering if the blockage makes it even less so so she can't be bothered and just waits for me to switch her over to the good one! I had a long hot shower and massaged it this afternoon and am going to try a hot flannel in a min after I get Tabs into bed (bloody clocks). Any other tips? After all the horrid stuff some of you guys have had I'm a bit paranoid!

WL this is what I did:

Heat patch (on bra not skin)
Massage before and during feed
Feed off it constantly (pumped good side)
Dangled boobs in bath a gave it a good firm massage, it made me cry but it cleared it...

Once it had gone it still felt tender for a day but much less so. Hope it goes quickly for you you have my sympathies

Also redness is a sign of infection so keep an eye in your temp and how you're feeling in general

EggsMichelle Sun 31-Mar-13 21:15:42

These boobs do like to keep everyone on their toes (although mine are trying to reach my toes, so saggy) and clearly not enough chocolate on the one day where we have a free pass to binge on it, just not good enough! I didn't get an egg either, but I am eating mini malteser bunnies instead.

Went to il's for roast dinner (yum yum), luckily my mil is amazing and is brilliant with F. However he was being entertained so well he forgot he was hungry until bil held him and F went into full on melt down. Not seen him that upset in ages. Also tried him out in a bumbo, but he wasn't over keen so not bothering buying one.

WLmum Sun 31-Mar-13 21:33:23

Good point spotty I have been feeling a bit crappy bit just thought it was tail end of a cold. If its not gone by tues I guess I'll be going to the gp

We had a lovely roast at ils too. Finally got T down so just enjoying some chocolate egg and a cuppa before bed.

WLmum Sun 31-Mar-13 21:34:05

Oh she's up again.

Secondsop Sun 31-Mar-13 22:07:51

I am an awful mum I've really upset him by getting cross with him when he wouldnt stop crying every time i left the room to try to make my dinner, and he can tell, and now he screams whenever I make any noise at all eg when I sneezed.

WLmum Sun 31-Mar-13 22:23:00

Make it up to him with lots of reassuring cuddles tomorrow. He'll forgive you!

Aww he'll forgive you seconds!

First wake up sad

WillYouDoTheBunnyHop Sun 31-Mar-13 23:01:13

Sorry to hear about all the poorly boobs grin

Seconds have some chocolate and don't worry too much bloody maternal guilt Z won't remember and everyone has a breaking point. You are obviously a fabulous mum or you wouldn't care so much. On another note my phone auto corrected your name to sexinda confused

You need to get passive aggressive Spotty. Is MiL not doing it right felix? Do you want your mummy? That'll learn her grin Sorry your DD has been overlooked, least your super mummy DSis will get her one. It probably just comes down to the fact that some men are shit at remembering to buy stuff, generally as they just can't be arsed.

Terrible day here, J is teething like mad. He's grizzled and sobbed all day the poor thing. Red cheeks, stinky runny poos, dribble running off his face. I didn't go for any ibuprofen and so regret it as I can't give calpol often enough. If I could do it for him I would.

Oh the plus side MiL brought me a thorntons egg and DS a cute outfit.

halestone Sun 31-Mar-13 23:01:51

Awww seconds he won't be cross with you for long he knows you love him so hes making you feel guilty.

WL i found that if i express in the bath with my breast completely submerged under the water it stops my breast hurting as much. Hope you feel better soon.

halestone Sun 31-Mar-13 23:03:35

Willyou hope J's tooth come through soon and that he feels better.

SeymoreBunnies Sun 31-Mar-13 23:18:02

Oh seconds you are so far from an awful mum. DS has to be left to scream a lot, I need to deal with the other DCs, and sometimes I just need to put him down when I can feel that I'm getting too stressed to continue soothing him. He's still full of smiles and giggles at other times. When DS is really over tired the slightest noise brings on more screaming, and the only way he can fall asleep is to scream whether I'm holding him or not. It's like he's blowing off steam.

WL do you still have the white patch? If you attempt to hand express and you can't see any milk coming from the white area, it's blocked and needs some attention before you get mastitis. This advice is good kellymom.com/bf/concerns/mother/nipplebleb/ I cleared mine using step 2.

spotty sorry to hear about MIL, it always makes me confused when family insist on wrestling new babies off their mothers, there's loads of time for playing when they're bigger and more fun, why bother upsetting mum and bub??

Oh no clarella I hope the thrush clears up soon. I've still got over a week of penicillin left and expect the same. Were you taking antibiotics or was it DS? Did it make DS vomit at all?

Second wake up....worst night in ages sad

IsThatTrue Mon 01-Apr-13 01:34:10

Horrible day, bloody teeth sad poor DS, and <yawn> for me!

Will catch up properly after some sleep if I ever get some

EggsMichelle Mon 01-Apr-13 03:22:12

Fallen out with F, he won't go back to sleep and thinks clawing at my throat is acceptable entertainment in the middle of the night. He's now cooing in his bouncy chair just to prove he's not tired!

utopian99 Mon 01-Apr-13 07:35:08

Have been experimenting leaving O to settle - he had hald an hour half managing it while sharting away to himself but has just decided he's actually genuinely hungry. Will have to change after this feed now too.

Dh is pretending to be asleep but also giving me a leg massage.. grin

Four month sleep regression anyone? Zzzzzzzzzz

IsThatTrue Mon 01-Apr-13 07:46:54

Bastard teeth!! My lovely laid back happy baby is a grizzly shouty dribbly horrible child who will only sleep with my nipple in his mouth hmm

WillYouDoTheBunnyHop Mon 01-Apr-13 08:04:37

I'm not here, I'm enjoying my lie in as DP's getting up with the baby this morning while I snooze... hmm

ps I hear you Isthat, only for us it's my finger

WLmum Mon 01-Apr-13 10:53:24

Thanks seymour I don't have a white spot, just a sore lumpy red patch underneath. Have been working on it and am hoping its not just wishful thinking that its getting better.

Clarella Mon 01-Apr-13 10:56:23

<holds hand up> sleep regression here sad been like this for about 2 weeks now. I wonder is it bad to cosleep half the night? I insist he goes down in the cot which he does either asleep or sometimes awake with a bit of head stroking but in reality we all get more sleep if he spends from about midnight onwards in with me. should I be so worried? dh thinks it's the end of the world, it just makes bf easier!

oh dear seymore - no it was just ds but apparently cillin drugs are worse for thrush. I'm taking probiotics and any yogurt I can get my hands on.

think it's bothering his tongue now wouldn't feed this morning and wouldn't last night till tried some teething gel - oh joy thats starting too!!!

en route ti York ti see sis and George's cousin and then Leeds for bil and sil and new 4 week old. sleep is a banned topic.

Clarella Mon 01-Apr-13 10:56:51


Clarella sounds fine to me. Do whatever you can to get the most sleep.

WL I really think you need to see a doctor tomorrow sad

IsThatTrue Mon 01-Apr-13 11:33:25

We have spent this morning in bed and feeding. He has had teething granules and calpol and is now happy to stay asleep after falling asleep with my nipple in. (Even when it's removed shock but only sprawled out in bed next to me, so this will not work at night when DH is in bed too as we only have a double bed!!

clarella I am very much convinced that you should do anything to save your sanity at this point!

WLmum Mon 01-Apr-13 12:41:51

clarella I'm all for a bit of co-sleeping! We largely do the same T goes down in her cot and if she wakes for earlyish feeds will go back but lately anything after 3 and she's so hard to settle. I just take her in with me and nap while she suckles herself into a deep enough sleep to be moved. If she stays there til morning so be it. Whatever works for maximum sleep has got to be best for everyone at this point. Any behaviours you're not happy with later, can be tackled later. Don't believe the crap about rod for your own back etc!

SeymoreBunnies Mon 01-Apr-13 12:59:29

Sorry wl not sure why I thought you had a white spot! Can I blame baby brain?! If it's not better tomorrow see the GP.

We're back to co-sleeping again, as of last night. It's been 2 weeks of hellish nights, even a 2 hour stretch is a rare bonus. Something seems wrong this evening though, he's just screaming and refusing to feed. He's really coughing and gagging so maybe he's got a sore throat. Poor little spud.

WLmum Mon 01-Apr-13 13:52:26

Oh poor thing seymour hope he feels better soon. 2 hours?!! You must be on your knees! Poor you too!

IsThatTrue Mon 01-Apr-13 14:13:45

Feeding every hour and a half, but at least we're sleeping in between. God I need sleep, supposed to be working today hmm

On a better note picked up most of the cot bed a friend is giving us (a few bits still in her loft grin) so when I get the rest my lovely little baby will be going into his big boy cot next to my bed even though I gave to forego my bedside table as I'm not happy him being in his own room yet on weds, they grow up way too quickly!!

Ds has been in his cot for a while has meant dp has about ten inches his side of the bed and I have both bedside tables and the cot mine hmm it's fine though smile ds is staying in with us for ever a while grin

Sorry IsThat I hope you get some sleep soon. Ninety minute feeds are not fun brew

MaMaPo Mon 01-Apr-13 14:35:04

Oh boy, sorry to hear of all the disrupted sleep. I am anticipating it every night, and thankful for every morning when I'm relatively rested. Fx it passes quickly.

Home day today - I have a cold that I think I picked up from C! If she feels as crappy as I do with sinus pain and sore throat I'm surprised she hasn't been more ratty. She has been a bit grumpy.

Today we're trip planning - 2 weeks in France, and then our big US road trip on the way back to Aus. A relaxing day!

halestone Mon 01-Apr-13 15:16:17

Sorry that all the LO's are having sleep regressions. My mum took H last night and DP was in work. I expressed milk at 12 went to bed at 12:30 woke up at half 8 expressed some more went back to sleep and my mum woke me up at 11:30. Ha i must of slept well because we're having a new kitchen fitted and i've slept through it all. My poor dad had to get up and sort it all out. Plus now me and H have had to leave the house because of the noise. Leaving my dad to look after himself and the fitters. I feel abit guilty but also feel well rested. Oh and the bonus was my mum who has been telling me that H's sleeping can't be as bad as i'm saying has conceded that she sleeps awful. My mums knackered from one night haha

halestone Mon 01-Apr-13 15:17:04

Oh and Mama i hope you enjoy your trip planning it'll all be worth it when your doing it grin

EggsMichelle Mon 01-Apr-13 15:50:23

Not made my final conclusion, but something not right with F. He's had 3 full blown screaming tantrums in 24hrs (normally just a grizzler), got furious with a bottle this morning, then drank 10oz in one go and still only producing green poos (2weeks of it) I know his teething, and I've felt a sharp bit on his gum, but is the bottle refusing and green poo normal?

Mama DH and I drove New York- Boston- Montreal- Niagara- New York, was amazing, definitely doing it again, Washington DC next time. Have you driven there before? Where are you going?

WillYouDoTheBunnyHop Mon 01-Apr-13 16:08:10

Yes and yes Eggs. Sucking hurts their guns do they drink a bit and then refuse. Green poo is the dribble. Worth checking with HV that that's all it is though.

I've eaten myself into a nandos induced coma, trying to have a nap.

MaMaPo Mon 01-Apr-13 16:22:11

Sounds like furious teething, full blown, Eggs. Do you have some gel for his gums?

Never driven in the US before - only been to NYC. The route plan so far is fly to NYC, train to Boston, pick up a car and drive to Maine, then back skirting Boston and NYC, to Washington DC, North Virginia, Tennessee, Alabama/Mississippi to New Orleans, to Galveston and Austin Texas. Drop off the car, fly to Chicago, then either fly/train to San Francisco/Napa, then fly direct back to Australia (avoiding LA if possible). What do you think? Crazy, with a 9 month old?! We'll take 4-6 weeks as needed.

Hales, so pleased you got a good sleep - you needed it!

My cold has given me a headache I can't shift. In good news, C went down in her crib for a nap this afternoon! She is getting much better at napping. (Fx for not jinxing it all...)

EggsMichelle Mon 01-Apr-13 16:37:06

We did our drive in 10days, spending 3 days chilling in Montreal, but we didn't have a baby,so driving 7hrs a day wasn't an issue! Make sure you both get insured to drive (only I could drive at the time and it was exhausting), pay for the toll road pass, goodness knows how much time and money that saved us, and if you have a sat nav, buy the maps for it. We bought the USA and Canada maps for our Tom Tom and it was a life saver because it was ours so could pre program the addresses in when we were at home (zip codes don't work) and didn't have to learn how to use it. Finally, never trust where a truck says it is going, they change their minds and your tiny little car is insignificant to them!!!

Have been using calgel and calpol when he's had red cheeks. Wanted to get the granules but tesco and asda don't have them.

That's annoying eggs even our tesco express has the granules.

Just put ds in the door bouncer and he loves it!

PurplePidjin Mon 01-Apr-13 16:55:51

Teething here too. Been at MILs for two days, sleeping 2 hours at a time if I'm lucky. Am completely fucked and, much as i love my ILs, never been so glad to be home blush

Secondsop Mon 01-Apr-13 17:03:55

Ooh we want to do a US road trip. I figured we probably have another year or so to do things that we want and that can accommodate a baby, until we have to start finding holidays that are interesting for little Z.

Dd has been dry all day! grin

Spoke too soon sad

MaMaPo Mon 01-Apr-13 17:24:21

Wow, C is a grotty baby today. Napped ok (once on me, twice in crib) but otherwise doesn't want to lie on front or back, or be helped to sit or stand, or eat, or play - just wants to complain. A bit exhausting.

Mama- sounds a lot like D at the minute- doesnt seem to be happy doing anything

I have found that the only thing to do when DS is in that mood Mama is to lay him on a pillow next to me but not touching him. I think he just gets a bit overstimulated.

PurplePidjin Mon 01-Apr-13 19:50:11

Over the shoulder works here, MaMa - i gave birth to a parrot hmm

Well he woke up 50 minutes after going down. Settled with a cuddle though so I think it's teeth as well as sleep regression. With the sleep regression do they wake because they're hungry? I googled it but couldn't find much other than forums has anyone got any links?

WLmum Mon 01-Apr-13 20:50:13

Sorry to hear of poorly babes. Hope they all feel better soon. So glad we aren't contending with teeth yet.

In good news, I seem to have made progress with clearing the blocked duct - lots of feeding on that side, hot clothes and hot massaging it in a hot shower.

In not so good news, T was asleep most of the day which rather seems to have affected her readiness for bed! She was really late last night due to clocks I guess so was late up and I guess it's generally messed with the nice little non routine we've had working for us.

Barbeasty Mon 01-Apr-13 20:56:12

Spotty so close, and really good going for your DD.

We've only got A here again tonight. DD is having another sleepover at MIL's with 2 cousins.

We had a big surprise meal for MIL's 70th today. Shattered now. But DD and A were both very good.

Think we're truely into teething here too. A has been desperately chewing his hands, and I think we can see/ feel a couple near the surface ready to break through.

EggsMichelle Mon 01-Apr-13 21:01:38

Well done wl, your perceiverence (sp) has paid off, reclaim your boobs!!!

Spotty that sounds like my F with his sleep last week, especially the waking after an hour, something he has never done before. Thankfully the last 3nights have been back to one feed so fingers crossed your F get through the phase quickly.

If feeding does not sooth DS, its the car. Which also worked today when he was refusing to have his nap (trip to the shop and home and he was fast asleep for 4hrs!)

Clarella Mon 01-Apr-13 21:20:29

eeee these babies smile

glad I'm not the only one cosleeping at mo ;) though fed to sleep this eve. he's had a fab day driving to York and Leeds save the last 30 miles. armegeddon baby. I sang every song we know and he went to sleep - till I bloody sang silent night to illustrate a point to dh (god knows what) and he woke again even angrier than before. thats our breast feeding calming/ focus song. he was well pissed off!

I may have crossed wires but did someone say that they were on penicillin and then that lo was coughing? I've noticed a bit of coughing with our thrush.

coconut oil has been amazing for me though as a nipple cream. they really do feel so less sore after 2 days of applying after feeds. plus I smell lorverly! it's anti fungal apparently. the canesten is a faff to time right. apparently it's good to put in bath and in his bottom in case thrush pops up there too. not done yet tho.

one theory of sleep regression is that they are learning so much that they have lots going on in their head at night. plus they find it harder to switch off. another is they are slowly moving to an hour sleep cycle rather than 45 mins.

here's hoping for peaceful nights grin

Secondsop Mon 01-Apr-13 22:01:42

We're trying the Big Cot tonight (next to our bed) as Z is really getting a bit big for his bassinet. He's been unsettled all evening so we may not have picked a great night for it, although after some manic kicking he seems to have calmed down. One of his playmats has some big piano keys at the bottom and he's been kicking them all day, a whopping great big deliberate kick with both legs right up in the air at right angles to his body and then both crashing down really hard together, and that's what he's been doing in the cot.

SeymoreBunnies Mon 01-Apr-13 22:11:40

clarella yes it was me on penicillin, DS is coughing loads but I think he's got a cold, his temperature has come up quite high this morning and he's sneezing a lot. Good tip about coconut oil, I will try that. DS had thrush on his bottom when he was teeny, daktozin nappy cream cleared it up in a few days. I'm not sure what the UK equivalent is. Ha to armageddon baby, ours is shock-and-awe baby, mostly in the supermarket.

Secondsop Mon 01-Apr-13 22:19:11

I've just been going through my phone and found a video I took while pregnant of my tummy showing movement, which I took and sent to my husband while he was away last September. Made me all emotional...
I had a horrible pregnancy but I do really miss it in many ways.

Me too Seconds, I've forgotten how horrid it was and just remember it with rose-tinted spectacles now. Good luck with the cot.

Terrible screaming fit when being put to bed tonight, he was exhausted but would not go to sleep. Been down since 10 so just managed tea now!

FriendofDorothy Mon 01-Apr-13 22:46:07

We're co-sleeping too. DH would prefer a that The Little Mister was in his own bed but tough shit!

Secondsop Mon 01-Apr-13 23:00:05

The big cot seems to be going ok! Fingers crossed it lasts. If he's unsettled later I'll bring him back into the bed with me for a bit but at the moment he's happily sleeping with his arms out in a manner he couldn't do in the bassinet. And the cat is happy as he can sleep on our bed again so long as he never so much as looks at the cot.

SeymoreBunnies Mon 01-Apr-13 23:01:15

seconds I'm feeling a bit more like that, I think because it's around the anniversary of my bfp! On Easter Sunday last year I went back to the UK for 3 weeks. I spent the entire time curled up in bed suffering with morning sickness and vowing never to get pregnant again. It doesn't seem that bad looking back now! grin

utopian99 Mon 01-Apr-13 23:29:50

clarella we're identical to you. He goes down in the cot then gets restless towards 4am and it's such a faff getting up and down every hour he comes in with us. Dh doesn't mind as that way we both get more sleep and we'll tackle issues if they arise later..

MaMaPo Tue 02-Apr-13 01:03:48

Ugh, regression night here. C woke at midnight and has been yelling, not crying, since. Constantly on the brink of nodding off, then rousing again. I got sick of listening to it and am feeding her even though she had a dream feed at 10.30pm. No idea if I'm doing the right thing. Fx we don't have this pattern every 90 mins.

I had a very easy pregnancy - didn't mind it at all. Am v lucky.

Ds seems to be doing four hourly tonight which is better. Prefer eight though.... wink

IsThatTrue Tue 02-Apr-13 03:42:18

4.5 hrs grin fx we stick to this!

Secondsop Tue 02-Apr-13 04:32:13

Big Cot night is going well - put Z down at about 10ish and he slept till 3.15, changed and fed, and went back down again very easily. The cat is also delighted by the new arrangement as has been pressed up against me nearly all night.

No poo for 36 hours... This is going to be an epic one when it happens.

EggsMichelle Tue 02-Apr-13 05:38:39

Aargh teeth! Awake every 1.5hrs crying, he fell asleep before finishing the calpol and we are up now with very rosy cheeks. Got estate agent coming round today, house is in no state for photos, how do people get their homes so tidy?

Clarella Tue 02-Apr-13 05:51:51

hand holding for rubbish nights....

I've given in and fed every 2 hours. dunno if ri ght. little monkey had better jump a centile after all this!

threw him in hammock at 4 utopian when it looked like co sleeping meant sucking mummy every half hour

Ds is finally into his sainsburys 0-3 month grows <sob>

Mamapo hope you got some rest after you fed C sometimes they just want that little bit more before they settle.

MaMaPo Tue 02-Apr-13 08:07:03

Thanks spotty - I fed her at 1 and she slept until just before 5, then up at 7.15. Not the horrendous night I anticipated, but I had terrible trouble sleeping.

Hope everyone is feeling ok and all the erupting teeth back off today.

Barbeasty Tue 02-Apr-13 08:09:09

We were awake every 2 hours. Of course, now he's fast asleep in the cot in DD's room and I'm clearing stuff off the sky box because I can't sleep!

I think we need to move the cot from DD's room, into ours for a bit. I want to get A sleeping in it, but I worry that his wakings will wake DD.

MyDaydream Tue 02-Apr-13 08:16:12

MaMa, that trip sounds amazing I'd love to do something like that.
Honey, just hope your not around when it happens. We went a while without a poo but luckily I was hanging up washing last night when it finally happened and DP had to deal with it! It absolutely stank.
Sorry to hear everyone is having bad nights sleeps with regression and teething. Dreading both, although E has only just turned 3 months so maybe I've got a couple of weeks yet.
We got our first laugh this weekend, he was just sprawled out on the bed and did a little giggle. Will be spending all day trying to get giggles out of him again. He's had such an amazing week for development, really started playing with his toys, grabbing them and kicking and will entertain himself for ages on his floor mat. I'm loving seeing the difference in him but it makes me a bit sad. I went to a wedding where there were a few teeny newborns at the weekend and he's not my tiny baby anymore.

SeymoreBunnies Tue 02-Apr-13 08:50:33

I feed every time DS wakes, unless he refuses. I did the same with the older two and managed to avoid rod-for-own-back territory! Maybe I was lucky.

Very shaky day today, so tired and DS isn't coping well with his cold. Lots and lots of screaming, hours of settling and naps lasting about 20 mins or less. Left the house for a whole hour today and he screamed bloody murder for the duration. I really think I'm due a break whether it's sleep or just going in the pram without kicking off.

Big glass of wine is going down nicely while DH has a turn at settling though.

IsThatTrue Tue 02-Apr-13 08:51:42

Gosh spotty ds2 is growing out of some 3-6 stuff.

Much better night. Down to bed at 11.15. Wake ups at 3.45, 5.55 and 8.10.

My friend has found the rest of the parts for the cot but not the screws grin we should have it all for tomo to put him in it grin

Work today with all 3 kids hmm let's see how well this goes.

Seymore you must be exhausted sad I also feed ds every time he wakes in the night, apart from last night as he'd not even been down an hour and it was definitely a pain cry so he just needed a cuddle.

Glad you got more sleep IsThat smile

MaMaPo Tue 02-Apr-13 09:19:01

Hmm, maybe I should resolve to feed at all wakings too. Thanks, wise women!

Red letter day - this morning I noticed C's tired signs, closed the curtains and swaddled her, gave her her dummy, cuddled her for a minute then put her to bed awake. She's fast asleep and I didn't have to do anything. Is this what good sleepers are like? It's so easy! fx she sleeps for a full 45-60 minutes though.

Hope you get a break soon Seymore. sad

SeymoreBunnies Tue 02-Apr-13 09:22:12

Thanks spotty he's asleep, a very tight swaddle and a bit more boob action has done the trick at last. grin

isthat our cot is from a friend too, I think we've got all the parts but no instructions! DS is definitely getting too big for his cradle now so I need to figure it out soon!

SeymoreBunnies Tue 02-Apr-13 09:35:11

Yay mama! Hopefully she does a nice long nap for you. grin

Secondsop Tue 02-Apr-13 09:45:11

So, we had 10pm - 3.15 am, change and feed, then about 3.50-5, cuddles with me, then back in the cot til about 6.30 and then back with me again and then over to my husband to feed him. I think he might have been cold; will dig out the grow bags we were given now that he must be big enough for them. He's now next to me kicking and giggling (oh and being sick).

Secondsop Tue 02-Apr-13 12:07:08

What are you all doing for daytime naps? I'm just having Z sleep on me or lying him carefully on the sofa but I won't be able to do that for much longer as he's nearly able to roll from back to front and he might just roll off. Are you putting your babies to sleep in their cots, or in a travel cot downstairs? My mum says I need to set up a travel cot downstairs but they're so massive.

Ds usually has his morning nap in his cot (carseat on a nursery day) and other naps in his bouncer, sometimes me if he's having a bad day. Just spotted baby poo on my thumb hmm

MyDaydream Tue 02-Apr-13 12:45:48

Seconds, he usually sleeps on me but on the rare occasion he will go properly down he just about still fits in his Moses. Once that's gone he'll go in his cot for the day but his bedroom is on the same level as the living room. I don't know what I'd do if this wasn't the case but I don't think I'd do travel cot.
I got a call today to arrange some talk therapy the HV arranged for PND. She firstly made me feel crap I couldn't travel to three different towns, one which I've never even heard of and then that I'd struggle to find child care during the day, but I have nobody and my DP can't take regular days off work without risking his job (contract worker, if he's unreliable he won't get another contract). I wish my HV had asked if I could get child care before setting in motion something that I wouldn't be able to do. Especially since we talked about how I don't really see a lot of people with everyone I know being at work during the day and not having any friends.
DP told me my birthday present is coming today but I can't open it until he's home. That's not fair, considering my birthday is in DECEMBER I think I've waited long enough.

Oh MyDaydream sad sorry your HV is crap. Whereabouts are you?

MyDaydream Tue 02-Apr-13 12:54:30

My HV isn't too bad although is a bit batty, it was the woman who I'd been referee to who was a cow. I'm in Yorkshire, I just (stupidly) assumed if you were dealing with women with PND there'd be a non 9-5 option to see someone. And that they'd be a bit nicer.

seymour hugs you definitely deserve a break
mydaydream that sounds really rough - health services don't always think in the most cohesive of ways!

I feed D on every wake up if he wants it didn't realise I wasn't supposed to

Daytime naps if they happen only happen on me or in the pram but once we finish his room he'll be going in his cot

MaMaPo Tue 02-Apr-13 14:31:17

Daydream, that sounds pretty unfair on you.

Napping is in pram if out, on me if cranky or she needs a proper sleep (longer than 45) or in her crib. It's a small flat so she's never far away from me. She's started to nap in her crib every morning - the midday and afternoon ones, only sometimes.

Speaking of which, she's barely been awake today. Does teething or having a growth spurt make them sleepy?

Oh you're the other end of the country to me MyDaydream sad

I'm in a horrible mood today. It's sil's birthday at the end of the month and dp just said 'oh for sil's birthday do you want me to get a taxi or shall I just stay out?' We how about you go for a bit and drive home, save some money or maybe grow some boobs so you have to stay at home having no life for once and I can go out and do as I please without having to plan every minute detail ffs. I know it's really selfish but I actually really would like to go too but unless ds goes back to sleeping a good six hours after he goes down it's not going to happen. I know he shouldn't miss out because of me but it's not fair that he gets to have fun when I don't sad

Sorry for rant blush

itsMYNutella Tue 02-Apr-13 15:22:09

Honey I feed DS when he wakes at night... Also hadn't really though about not feeding him.

Spotty it isn't fair! I wish men did the feeding after we have done the growing & birth bit it would seem fair!

Question about carriers: I know in the sling (which DS is not keen on) the top of his head should be easily kissable. Is that the same for carriers? I have been loaned one and he seems quite low hmm it is also not easy on the shoulders.

Oh dear spotty. Would he consider driving and not drinking? and buying you something pretty with the money he saves it is rotten not being able to do anything. Going out even for an hour without baby requires so much planning especially when EBF it never really seems worth the bother.

Not sure whether to worry about D doing better than I was - i used to worry then think about if I needed to I was so exhausted on Sunday night that we gave him a bottle of formula (he's had it a couple of times before and been fine with it) about 2 hours later he brought a lot of it back up still as milk - not cottage cheesy partially digested or anything. Then no poo all day yesterday but seemed fine. Has had 3 dirty nappies today - a bit worse than usual but making up for yesterday id guess and nothing unusual. Then brought a bit of cottage cheesy sick up with a burp but still seemed ok. He had a good feed abd a doze then was lying on his mat about an hour after his feed and brought a load of milk up again - just looked like milk but came out with enough force to spurt out of his mouth and cover his face while lying on his back. Seems fine in himself. Possibly a bit sleepier than normal. What does anyone think? Does it sound like a bug? I was wondering if he's hungry and eating too much milk that his tummy can't handle the quantity?

nutella general advice for any carrier is close enough to kiss. What kind of carrier have you got?

Secondsop Tue 02-Apr-13 15:40:20

honey is he generally prone to being a bit pukey or is this out of character?

This is out if character for him

I personally wouldn't worry. They tend to have days when they're more sicky than others.

That's the first thing I asked him but he said no. I don't want him staying away and a taxi is £20...

itsMYNutella Tue 02-Apr-13 16:16:15

Honey it's a manduca. They are very popular here... I have to give it back tomorrow so have been trying to get it right & have lots of practice over the weekend hmm I have readjusted with each wear but I think because he is too low it is hurting my shoulders.

itsMYNutella Tue 02-Apr-13 16:18:18

And sorry dash seems out of sorts. I'm glad that DS isn't a sucky baby and then every now and then he brings up loads! I wouldn't worry though if its only happened occasionally and he is otherwise fine - ie drinking normally and producing wet/dirty nappies.

I haven't played with a Manduca but have played with similar and I think they're still supposed to be close enough to kiss. Can you have a look at pics or YouTube?

Definitely meant to be higher nutella. Have a look at google images. It looks like a nice one smile

Thanks everyone- I think because he isn't usually sicky at all whenever he is I panic!

PurplePidjin Tue 02-Apr-13 16:43:25

Nutella, adjust the waist band first to set the height. You should be taking a lot of the weight on your hips. Then put him in and sling the straps across your shoulders and plug them into opposite sides - left shoulder to right boob and vice versa - and pull really tight smile

itsMYNutella Tue 02-Apr-13 16:48:57

Thanks Honey, *Spotty & Pidj! I hadn't thought about crossing the straps but that's a really good idea!
I also hadn't thought of checking YouTube <blonde> grin

itsMYNutella Tue 02-Apr-13 16:51:02

Hahaha. Just seen my auto correct changed sicky to sucky grin. DS is definitely a sucky baby wink he really loves breakfast/elevenses/lunch/afternoon tea/dinner/ supper etc etc etc

itsMYNutella Tue 02-Apr-13 16:53:28

Since we haven't chosen what to invest in yet, the other option is an emeibaby see here DP quite likes the look of that one

I told dp I'd mash the potatoes for my fish cakes but he did it anyway and added butter now the mash is too loose and they won't shape/stay together. So I'm upstairs crying feeding ds hmmsad

I think I prefer the look of the Manduca nutella

MyDaydream Tue 02-Apr-13 17:21:14

Spotty that sucks he's ruined your mash. DP doesn't help in the kitchen because whenever he steps foot in there it results in me cooking my own food because he messed up, or me catching him just before the ruining moment and asking what he's doing. Much easier (and cleaner) to ban him from entering.
We switched E to SMA comfort milk and it seems to have turned his poo into a British racing green colour. It doesn't seem to be bothering him and he's a lot happier after food.

Barbeasty Tue 02-Apr-13 18:09:21

Nutella I think you can put the waist belt bit a lot higher than you'd think too. I've seen someone suggest that it can go almost under the ribs. I really liked it when I tried it, especially the crossed straps, but I managed to get a barely used Boba for less.

Also can't remember how they work for newborns. Would that put the baby up any higher?

interwebmum Tue 02-Apr-13 18:54:43

Hello ladies,
I haven't been on to have a look for a while. I hope you don't mind me popping in for a quick question.

At 3 months A was gurgling and making cute little cooing noises. she was also very smiley. Now at almost 4 months she is making a weird gutteral grunting/growley noise and thrashing about alot. She's seems to get bored and frustrated really quickly and I'm constantly having to think up new ways to entertain her. It's really doing my head in! Is this normal?? She spends the majority of her waking time drooling, trashing, wriggling and growling! Help!

Sorry interweb but I think the next few posts are going to read 'yep same here!'. I think they are frustrated because they want to be able to do things that they can't.

interwebmum Tue 02-Apr-13 19:26:19

No, that's made me feel better actually. I've got very little experience with babies (until having my own) and nobody around to compare with so I tend to get stressed out more than I probably need to. It's just really exhausting trying to change her nappy, get her dressed or have a cuddle when she's constantly wriggling and making that bloody noise! Gah! She's like a mini wrestler with attitude. confused

halestone Tue 02-Apr-13 19:42:44

Honey H is sick after formula thinks it because they take too much for their bellies too handle.

Spotty i hope your ok i know its probably too late but could u add plain flour to the mash to soak up the butter? Or a mustard powder?

Interweb same here and i think our LO's were born on the same day (7th??) my DD bangs her feet with such a force on the floor that i'm sure it must hurt. I've resorted to putting my quilt folded up on the floor downstairs with loads of toys around her and she grabs them plays with it throws it out of her reach and gets the next nearest one to her and repeat haha grin

Nutella sorry i can't help with the carrier i have no clue but i've been thinking about getting one so read what you wrote with interest.

MaMaPo Tue 02-Apr-13 20:12:34

Interweb yep, same here! C is really quick to boredom and frustration, she doesn't want whatever she has, whether it's her playmat, standing up, over my shoulder, some toys, lying on her front - they all seem to infuriate her. She's constantly trying to roll over and getting very frustrated. Thankfully she spent most of today asleep - sounds terrible, but it was nicer than trying to constantly reinvent the wheel to keep her happy!

Nutella, we have the Ergobaby carrier which is similar to the manduca. Been using it since C was about 5 days old and it has been fantastic. It has grown well with her and we anticipate being able to use it for ages yet. It fits me and my husband well (he's 6 foot 3) and we can both carry her for ages without getting sore or tired. I really recommend it.

Man I'm exhausted tonight. Husband's been out for a haircut (yay! Only been 4 months) and is bringing home Chinese. So lazy.

Clarella Tue 02-Apr-13 20:15:55

interweb - yep ;)

with reference to last night's do we feed these 2 hourly wakings - at my nct gathering mum's reported similar (bf and ff) and the consensus was that they probably need the calories so yes go with the flow if you can cope! which leads to cosleeping - bf is usually more successful for cosleeping mums simply as they get more sleep. however thats a personal choice and a sids thing.

a mum who knows a neonatal specialist said they often recommend that boys are weaned between 4- 6 mo as often need the calories more, despite who guidelines. I feel like g is literally sucking the life out of me (esp with new tongue!) at moment! I've lost another inch on my hips in a week, even with all the Easter pigging out!

found a lovely timeline of bf actually - will post - u loose most weight between 4-6 months smile excuse to eat more!! (healthy stuff of course ;) )

Clarella Tue 02-Apr-13 20:19:15
interwebmum Tue 02-Apr-13 20:29:15

Ahh, bless you kind ladies. We are normal again, hurray.
Halestone, yep 7th December too.

PurplePidjin Tue 02-Apr-13 20:48:09

I always feed at night, it never occurred to me not to. If he doesn't latch, he gets plonked back in his crib - he soon changes his mind!

That said, he's been chomping on my finger when i do the calgel so i shoved a dummy in and instant calm - first time he's taken one. He just settled himself on my chest, and successful transfer to crib <jaw hits floor> we shall see what happens when he wakes up...

MaMaPo Tue 02-Apr-13 21:04:31

I've only not fed at night once or twice, when she fed loads in the day and resettled with patting/dummy. Her feeding is so erratic at the moment that I'll keep feeding her up at night.

FriendofDorothy Tue 02-Apr-13 21:16:12

I always feed at night if he wakes up.

We have a Connecta carrier. Fantastic to use, easy to put on and fits both me and my husband.

ISpyPlumPie Tue 02-Apr-13 21:28:48

Hi everyone. Back from the wedding now and just catching up.
N was a dream the whole time. Despite still furiously hand-chewing, he slept through both journeys and most of the service! The rest of the time he loved all of the attention he was getting - he does seem to be a generally happy little soul.

Barbeasty - thanks for the belly button tips. We've not got a topical ab, so will ask the doctor about it on Friday (earliest appt available from today - they must have got rid of the target for appt waiting times hmm). It does seem much better again, but I just want to see if we can prevent it happening in future.

Mydaydream - that does sound spectacularly unhelpful. You'd like to think a service offering support doesn't actually create more problems. I really hope it can be sorted for you.

Mama - your trip sounds fantastic - am quite envy. Looking back, I do wish I'd travelled a bit more before I had any real commitments but at the time I was focused on studying and starting a career. Still, having lots of fun planning the adventures we can have exploring the world with the boys (just need to work out how to pay for it grin).

itsMYNutella Tue 02-Apr-13 21:55:59

T has been a bit unsettled today but hasn't been sucking his fist as much as he has the last few days hmm I don't think we're teething... But it's great to have you all here and be able to read your tips!

Thanks everyone for the carrier tips! I have to give the Manduca back tomorrow but will try all the advice suggested before I hand it over.
There are several brands here that are popular and I see them often. You can also get an ergo but they don't seem as common... The prices are all similar too so that isn't a major factor in the decision.
What bothers me about the manduca is that his legs are not long enough for it yet and he doesn't seem very cosy in it, there is an extra sort of flap that you button small babies into but he ends up sitting a bit funny in it...

Before I forget - I came across the emeibaby while buying a jacket insert at the same shop. It is a small new business startup and I'm really impressed with the product. I bought a waterproof jacket insert that zips into my jacket so i can carry DS all cosy and out of the wind. We also bought a zip adaptor for DP's jacket so we can use the same insert for either jacket; it is such a great and simple system! I know you can make a jacket insert yourself (if you have the skills and a sewing machine) but I'm not that practical. I promised the man I would recommend his product (Kumja is their business/product name) on here smile

EggsMichelle Wed 03-Apr-13 03:13:26

Nutella I love the idea of that jacket insert, could have done with one during this epic snow.

F was born 6th and has the same frustration and boredom. And this sleep regression is doing my head in, awake every hour, and now he won't go back to sleep. I haven't been feeding on every wake cause we ff and most of the time a cuddle puts him straight back to sleep, but starting to think he is hungry so should be feeding him. Bought hungry baby formula today, 8 6oz bottles is starting to get silly.

SkiBunnnnny Wed 03-Apr-13 03:14:55

That's a great link clarella! So much good info.

LO definitely seems easily bored and frustrated at the moment as well. Although, he just rolled over for the first time in a while and obviously scared himself as he started screaming! Poor wee mite.

SeymoreBunnies Wed 03-Apr-13 07:14:09

Well I did get a break last night, DS slept from 7:30-12:30-3:45-6:45 which is absolutely brilliant for him so must be down to his cold

Very excited, we've just booked a trip to New Zealand next month! BIL is working there at the mo so the DCs are v excited about spending time with their uncle!

clarella not sure about losing weight but I'm definitely eating a lot more at the moment!!

Yay Seymore! Glad you got some sleep. Whereabouts in NZ are you going?

I hope I lose weight soon hmm

I started a diet yesterday, it's 6 weeks til I'm a bridesmaid and I am fat! Nothing fits and I feel so uncomfortable.

We had an hour of horrific wailing at bedtime last night followed by a mucusy vomit. He's then coughed loads this morning and sicked up his first bottle.

Very jealous of all the trip planning envy

That is a lot of formula eggs, hungry boy.

SeymoreBunnies Wed 03-Apr-13 07:36:11

We're going to Queestown, I've never been to NZ before! I'm really looking forward to some cooler weather, I can wear DS without sweat pouring down my forehead!

ski hooray for rolling! DS rolls onto his side and flops back at the moment.

SeymoreBunnies Wed 03-Apr-13 07:40:13

Oh poor DS willyou is he unwell? What diet are you doing? I'm keen to try 5:2 but it's not recommended for breastfeeding! I should just lay off the snacks really.

Ds doesn't roll or giggle yet sad

I've been to NZ twice I hope you have a good time. Buy some perky nanas mmm yum.

Well our night was ok down at 7, dream feed at 9 (I was tired!), feed 1:40 and 4:30 up 7:20. Dd on the other hand is still asleep shock she usually gets up at six!

He's fine in himself, just projectile vomited the feed. He's refused any more so we'll see how he is later.

I'm MFPing Seymore, I'm short and have just over a stone to lose so I only get 1300 cals a day. And there are still Easter eggs in the house <wail> Made lots of butternut squash soup yesterday and my friend is cooking me brunch today, she's doing slimming world so hopefully it'll be healthy but tasty. My problem's chocolate, cos I gave it up in pregnancy I have been stuffing my face with it ever since.

No rolling here Spotty and we got one giggle 2 weeks ago and nothing since!

MaMaPo Wed 03-Apr-13 08:22:51

We got a proper belly laugh this morning! Well-timed, as she was up at 10.30 (woken for a dreamfeed but refused bottle, so I had to wake to feed her), 12.30, 3.30 and up for good around 5.30am. Am bloody exhausted. She's down for her nap right now.

Why refusing bottle WHYYYYY.

Ispy, I have really prioritised travel in my life. Lucky my husband is the same, and lucky we're fortunate enough to be able to save to fund it.

Seymore, Queenstown is lovely. Any chance you can hire a car and see some of the surroundings too? The South Island is pretty much flawless.

Am not dieting as seem to be shedding weight a bit drastically. I think C is a super hungry baby and sometimes I don't eat much of a day. Stocking up with cakes probably not the healthiest option. Good luck to you chaps who are being disciplined!

IsThatTrue Wed 03-Apr-13 08:26:55

spotty ds2 is extremely stingy with his giggles and it's normally at completely random stuff. And he's rolled front to back (the easiest way) once and from his look of shock it was complete fluke!

NEWSFLASH last night ds2 slept 11.15-4 and 4.15-8.20!!! grin I completely missed DH leaving for work this morning and leaked through my breast pads all over my bra Fx that we have turned a corner after last weeks every 2 hrs (or less). It definitely feels like there's a light at the end of the tunnel.

In other news DS is now being choked by my let down hmm

Willyou I think corrected our ds's are similar age?

Hope WL is ok?

IsThat when I had that it lasted nearly a week hmm it's a right pain

Clarella Wed 03-Apr-13 08:40:40

it's dh who wants me not to feed at night sad gets me down. thinks he's doesn't need it but if it's 2 hours later and breast milk is digested in that time he must need other. bloody no cry sleep solution book.

Clarella Wed 03-Apr-13 08:41:34

it not other

IsThatTrue Wed 03-Apr-13 08:47:00

clarella I've always fed at every waking. Even of they're not starving what harm is it doing? It's not your DH having to wake, tell him to mind his own! I have also been known to feed DS even when he's not particularly hungry if its convenient for me (ie if we're going out soon etc) if he's really not hungry he wouldn't eat but that's only happened once grin

I need batteries for my scales so I can weigh DS. He must be pretty huge by now!

Yay well done mini IsThat hopefully a sign of things to come.

I think they are Spotty, DS was due 22nd (although my dates said 18th and I was already in slow labour on 15th).

clarella Tell him that your DS hadn't read the book and if he's hungry you'll feed him.

My DP was driving me mad at bedtime last night. J was screaming the house down and it was a pain cry. He kept saying give him here I'll try, give him to me. I think the crying was really stressing him out so he thought it must be getting to me too but I was fine. He then managed to fire calpol into DS's lungs as the syringe got stuck and he just brute forced it hmm. It was just an accident and I told him so, but it could have been avoided if he was just a bit more patient.

We put calpol in next to my finger as ds likes to suck my finger grin ds is a bit younger than J (technically) then he was due 27th dec.

Oh we're going out today to gunwharf. Wish us luck with a grumpy baby and potty training toddler grin

SeymoreButts Wed 03-Apr-13 09:26:02

<blusters in> you will never guess what just happened!! DS just self settled! shock It won't happen again so I'm going to savour it. I was trying to feed him to sleep but he unlatched and sat up, so I popped him in his bed and went off to get the other DCs in their pjs. I could hear him sucking his hands, then 5 mins later he was fast asleep. <faints>

Hooray for sleep isthat!

clarella I would tell DH not to worry, you will all get more sleep if you feed at night wakings and it's not forever.

mama we've hired a car! We're there for 6 days. Any tips??

Stacks Wed 03-Apr-13 09:48:49

I'm feeling a little fragile and sleep deprived. Had a long day yesterday and made a special effort to go for a walk and cook dinner. DH didn't get home til nearly 8 which is when T should be in bed, so I had no break at all, a grumpy baby and had had no lunch. Then I was up feeding at 10, 12, 2:45 (woo, nearly 3 hours), 3:40, 4:20, 5, 6 and 7. Tried keeping my eyes closed this morning after T woke but was still happy, and he was sick everywhere. Cue me bursting into tears sad
His sleep has been awful this last week, waking every 1-2 hours all night long. Last night I realised he's maybe not even hungry, as he seems to settle so quickly and not really drink much. Have I 'trained' him to keep waking for nipple and comfort? I've always fed as soon as he wakes so as not to disturb DH. I'm wondering if ice broken my baby and am doomed to years of this now? He used to sleep so well! Birth till 8/10 weeks he'd sleep 4-6 hours at a time. It's been getting progressively worse since, and at 14w I'm ready to collapse or explode.
To top it all off my dad went in for major heart surgery last week, so I've been worrying about him and the main contact for all my family giving updates to people. He's doing ok now, but there's a chance they'll have to put him back under anaesthetic and try and shock his heart back into a normal rythm. I can't get down to visit him easily, and the hospital really haven't looked after him very well. He's lost over 10kg in weight since last Thursday, and he didn't have any extra weight to lose (he was only 68kg to start with). I really hope they send him home soon, he's got a good friend waiting to take him under her roof and actually look after him.

Sorry for me me me. Just so stressed and tired. I'll go catch up on some of the last few days of posts I've missed.

SeymoreButts Wed 03-Apr-13 10:36:28

stacks DS is 17 weeks now and we've had 2 weeks of awful, awful nights (waking every 90 mins or less) and he hadn't done a 4 hr stretch for a month. We've also had hourly wake ups from 4am. He had a good night last night but he's got a cold so I don't think it's going to last! My older 2 woke every 2 hours until they were 5 months old and I fed them every single time. At 5 months they started doing the odd the 5 hour stretch and it went from there, by 1 year it was 7-7. It's so hard but it will improve and you definitely haven't broken your baby!

I'm so sorry to hear about your Dad, hopefully he can come home soon. Can you speak to his consultant about his weight loss?

MaMaPo Wed 03-Apr-13 10:36:36

Hugs hugs hugs. Haven't time to write much but you haven't broken your baby! You have loads on your plate and baby's going through a challenging time. Can you cut yourself some slack, get ready meals for a week, get someone to take baby for long walk while you nap? So sorry to hear about your dad. You poor thing, I hope things pick up for him.

However, tsk for breaking the rules - no apologising for me me me posts! smile

Stacks Wed 03-Apr-13 11:34:58

Thank you for reassurances. Feeling better having read the posts from everyone else over the last few days. I guess it's true 'misery loves company' so many of us having sleep problems just now. It's kind if nice to know I'm not the only one.
Also just got off the phone with my dad. They're looking to send him home today hopefully smile

PurplePidjin Wed 03-Apr-13 11:47:07

Stacks 1) their brains aren't big enough to learn stuff that complicated yet 2) 4 month sleep regression. Every tim Rs sleep gets fucked, he does something big - babbling, laughing, rolling, finding his feet and willy etc. It's the brain struggling to assimilate all the new information. Imagine starting secondary school every minute of every day brew

FriendofDorothy Wed 03-Apr-13 11:50:26

I reduced calories and my milk reduced massively so I decided dieting could wait!

Stacks any chance you can feed lying down so you get some rest too?

SkiBunnnnny Wed 03-Apr-13 12:19:15

So sorry you're having a tough time stacks. You have to remember that it WILL get better. In a couple of months things WILL be easier. You WILL get there eventually. In the meantime get rest when you can and accept as much help as is offered.

I still need to lose a lot of weight too, but don't want to diet while bf. My plan is to do as much exercise as I can and eat when hungry but try and eat healthy food as far as possible. I am still losing weight but vv slowly!

halestone Wed 03-Apr-13 14:02:37

Stacks, hugs and kisses sent your way from me and H thanks. I hope your dad is ok and that he puts weight back on soon. Your LO isn't broken but sleep deprivation is a horrible thing for you. I've been trying the 90 minute since last week and sometime she literally closes her eyes and wakes up a second later. However the last 4 nights she has slept for a 3 hour period from 1am till 4am then up every 40-60 minutes this is a huge improvement grin

Willyou hope your LO is feeling better soon

halestone Wed 03-Apr-13 14:05:40

Isthat yay for sleep grin

Clarella i also feed every time she wakes of a night. But people keep telling me to stop i have to remind them shes only 4 months old.

Also i'm not dieting although i need to i'm starting exercise as soon as i've eaten all the easter eggs haha

itsMYNutella Wed 03-Apr-13 15:00:33

Stacks we ha a rough week last week and T has slept much better the last two nights, but in 12 weeks the longest sleep here has been 6 hours that happened once and I was so amazed and my boobs hurt so much I was awake the last half hour ish waiting for him grin
Lots of hugs!! Hope your Dad gets to go home today too, at least then you have one less thing to think about. Remember, this too shall pass!wink

I'm not dieting but suddenly in the last 3-4 weeks the scales have been very kind to me and I've lost about 5lbs shock I'm hoping DS is sucking out the calories because I haven't been doing anything differently...

No rolling or giggling yet here. Just a very chatty little man smile although he does seem to respond to laughter which is very cute.

I tried crossing the straps of the manduca but still found however I tried I was carrying his weight in my shoulders confused I took the moby wrap with me for some tips (and to wear him home) and today he went in with less fuss and it was much more comfortable!! I will soldier on with the moby, it's also very warm and cosy; but it'll be too warm in the summer...

Clarella Wed 03-Apr-13 16:05:09

oh stacks - huge hugs. could your dp / dh take over from 3 or 4 for you to cram 2/3 hours sleep elsewhere? are you bf? could you leave an emb for that time? so sorry about your dad - hope he's better soon.

hugs to you too pidg, can't be easy for you.

looks like we re all going through this. my dh is living in cloud cuckoo land. we had our nights of only 1 waking at 12 weeks too nutella, exactly 4 weeks ago!

yes I get lots more sleep if I feed him. he's never wide awake playing etc - always drops off immediately but I must admit to trying to shush rock if it's less than an hour or 2 later in the early morning first as sometimes that actually works and works quickly if it's going to work. I think the hammock did it fo.r me last night from 2-5.

I will point out to dh that our son is getting brainier by playing all day and feeding all night so his brain grows.

now we actually can feed without lying down all the time ( managed on sofa and out today!!!!) I'm offering loads in the day but he's not interested. I guess thats another thing they're into! soaking up the world!

Clarella Wed 03-Apr-13 16:07:06

oh stacks - huge hugs. could your dp / dh take over from 3 or 4 for you to cram 2/3 hours sleep elsewhere? are you bf? could you leave an emb for that time? so sorry about your dad - hope he's better soon.

hugs to you too pidg, can't be easy for you.

looks like we re all going through this. my dh is living in cloud cuckoo land. we had our nights of only 1 waking at 12 weeks too nutella, exactly 4 weeks ago!

yes I get lots more sleep if I feed him. he's never wide awake playing etc - always drops off immediately but I must admit to trying to shush rock if it's less than an hour or 2 later in the early morning first as sometimes that actually works and works quickly if it's going to work. I think the hammock did it fo.r me last night from 2-5.

I will point out to dh that our son is getting brainier by playing all day and feeding all night so his brain grows.

now we actually can feed without lying down all the time ( managed on sofa and out today!!!!) I'm offering loads in the day but he's not interested. I guess thats another thing they're into! soaking up the world!

Clarella Wed 03-Apr-13 16:07:23

arse double post...

IsThatTrue Wed 03-Apr-13 18:37:40

We've put the cot together! Hurrah! He looks so small in it! and I have to crawl off the end of the bed to get out I've sorted the under bed storage though so my room is looking nice and neat. Selling the Moses basket from downstairs and have replaced it with the crib from our room in the living room as I need a bed nearby for while I'm working. When he's out I'd that ill sell and use the travel cot so it can be put away at night.

Gosh they grow too quickly!

IsThat he does look tiny! I've got a cot top changer on ours so ds doesn't look quite so small in it grin

Stacks hope your dad is ok. The frequent feeding will stop I promise but for now it's the best thing for your baby smile you will look back and think 'oh it wasn't that bad' wink

WLmum Wed 03-Apr-13 19:54:38

Hello lovely ladies, I am still here just been super super busy (largely due to other people being arseholes and/or incompetent). Have just about been managing to read the thread but not had time to post. Sorry to hear of non sleeping babies and poorly parents. Hope everyone is well soon.

T is touch wood sleeping quite well, dd1 now has hand foot and mouth too - waiting to see if T gets it. Saw a decent dr today who took dd2s constant illness seriously (was totally expecting to be fobbed off) - she's being v good about taking her yucky antibiotics.

Clarella Wed 03-Apr-13 20:37:53

argh baby thrown bell curve! didn't want to feed to sleep, seemed to be settling chopping on zebra and dummy (not sucking), lying next to me, started grizzling, plicked up to rock/ bob to sleep grizzling got worse so threw in hammock - instant sleep. wtf

clear vote for hammock.... but feels we should be going for cot! or at least with me?!

my sling allergic cosleeping allergic baby. maybe go with flow and see if he sleeps better and try cot again in a week or so? to be honest if I look at his sleep as a whole he'll actually sleep anywhere if he feels comfy. he's not that arsed about cosleeping except that it's quicker access to boobage.

Clarella Wed 03-Apr-13 20:38:46

oh dear sorry to hear about poorly dcs wlmum

Oh dear WL I hope T doesn't catch it.

Well the past few nights ds has been waking in the hour after I've put him down but he hasn't tonight so fingers crossed for a good night.... hmm

itsMYNutella Wed 03-Apr-13 20:52:20

DS is a bit out of sorts tonight... I took him to bed a bit earlier and fed him to sleep - he seemed pretty worn out. Since I've put him down he has been crying out as if in pain in his sleep. I'm sure he would wake himself up because it escalates very quickly but I've managed to jump up and soothe him... Just given him some calpol because I have no idea what's wrong confused he is 13weeks old... Could it be a developmental leap? Anyone experienced something similar?

There was also copious dribble and hand sucking today but I don't think he is teething hmm no redness or soreness visible...

Ds's been a bit like this nutella I didn't think it was teething but then thought it was but still not sure grin lots of dribbling and and chomping but no red cheeks. Two bad nappies the other day made me think it was teeth.... Sorry I'm not being much help!

EggsMichelle Wed 03-Apr-13 21:16:44

Sounds like teething isthat and spotty. DS doesn't always have the red cheeks, has the dribbling and hand chomping all the time, I tend to use the calpol when his cheeks are red and he's complaining.

I'm trying to keep up, but having a packed week, mixed with major sleep regression (every hour, previously sleeping through) and epic feeding (8x7oz today) are leaving me a little bamboozled. Stacks i know how you feel with the sudden change in sleep, I don't know what to do about feeding, DS is ff, and to get up and warm a bottle every time might wake him up more than a quick cuddle and back to bed. Tonight for the first time ever he resisted his bed time routine, that really threw me off.

On the plus side he is trying to roll tummy-back and we have baby massage starting tomo.

Clarella Wed 03-Apr-13 21:18:12

could be teeth nutella a friend said her ds has been shrieking in his sleep and another mum we know's ds started teething at 14 weeks. but honestly - it so hard to tell. if it continues tomorrow night maybe a doc visit? I had no idea ds had uti but unsettled at night is a symptom.

mental breakdown in hammock. scrap earlier questions!

EggsMichelle Wed 03-Apr-13 21:19:01

Oops, meant nutella, I really need some sleep! Oh and my house is up for rent a d the photos are terrible (bathroom picture has been removed on my request as my haemaroid cream was on display!)

Clarella Wed 03-Apr-13 21:20:19

eggs I think your last sentence might explain his sleep! new skill.....

yep our usual routine up the spout.

grin Hahaha at the bathroom photo!! Hilarious!

WLmum Wed 03-Apr-13 22:20:35

Thanks eggs I needed that laugh!

Sorry some babes are so unsettled -no advice just sympathy. Thankfully for Tabs boob solves all except on rare occaisions when she's tired but full, wants to comfort suck and gets cross with milk coming out. Fx she's started sucking her fingers for comfort.

spotty could the waking in the hour be wind? Tabs is often hard to settle after a night feed and if she's tricky it generally means she won't settle til she's puked! New cot sheet/sleeping bag most mornings - would hate to see my laundry pile dwindle!

FriendofDorothy Wed 03-Apr-13 22:27:13

Edward has fed for much less than normal. My left boob us massive and I have had to express to ease the pain!

SkiBunnnnny Wed 03-Apr-13 22:36:05

Heehee eggs, that made me giggle!

DS is similar to yours, spotty and Nutella, SO much drool and lots of chomping on his hand and anything he can grab. Sometimes im sure that its teething if he seems upset but then afterwards i think maybe he was just tired. We got him some teething rings just in case but he isn't really able to hold them himself yet. sometimes I just hold it in his mouth for him and he seems to enjoy having a munch... Although sometimes he just licks it!

Not sure WL he only did it for three nights and a cuddle sorted him out. Even dp managed to settle him one night!

SeymoreButts Wed 03-Apr-13 23:11:50

yy to this: tired but full, wants to comfort suck and gets cross with milk coming out. I tried again to give DS a dummy this morning because of this, but as usual he just pushed it out.

Wow, penicillin nappies are pungent. shock

SkiBunnnnny Wed 03-Apr-13 23:49:54

Going out to DH's staff party tonight, bit nervous! Left DS with a babysitter once before but we were gone 8.30-12 so he was asleep the whole time we were gone. We are leaving before his normal bedtime this time confused
Also, we have a toddler coming over to share the babysitter, not sure if my house is v child safe, anything I can do quickly?

EggsMichelle Thu 04-Apr-13 07:08:23

Good morning!

We must have all slept well, no posts through the night! I have no idea what's going on with this child's sleep, night before awake every hour, last night screamed an hour after going down, then slept through to 6am when DH got up and woke us up! Spent an hour laying in bed waiting for F to wake up before falling back to sleep.

Got our first baby massage group today, very excited!

Nope, bad night here. I'm eating dd's chocolate rabbit for breakfast to make me feel better.

itsMYNutella Thu 04-Apr-13 07:53:17

Thanks again ladies. I did read your replies last night but also did my best to go to sleep pretty quick incase DS was really unsettled.

Spotty sorry you had a bad night! Enjoy the bunny grin

Eggs brilliant about the photo! When you are house hunting looking at photos of other people's homes on the Internet is always the best part wink

DS settled after the calpol and slept till 2:20 fed, slept till 5:40 fed and slept again till 8:30 shock he went to sleep last night at 9 and is never normally in bed so long. Each feed has taken over 30mins. And I got DP to change him at 6ish...
Still no idea what is / was up with the boy. Will take your advice Clarella and see how he is tonight.

MaMaPo Thu 04-Apr-13 07:55:12

Pretty bad night here too. She woke at 10, husband tried to give ebm and she lost it. I had to feed her, she was hysterical. Then up at 2.30, 5 and up at 6.30. I feel pretty drained even though it could be much much worse

Eggs, your night sounds amazing!

Spotty, I'll share your egg

Barbeasty Thu 04-Apr-13 08:00:51

Yep, thinking of finishing my easter egg, as 2 cups of tea just aren't cutting it in the mornings this week!

Think it was every hour to 90 minutes last night (again) and we haven't quite hit 4 months. Not sure there's much to regress from next weekend, so fingers crossed he's regressed early!

I went on the postnatal course organised by our local children's centre yesterday. Thought it might be good to meet more local mums with babies a similar age... It was just me and the course leader!

Of course now I feel too guilty not to go to the other 3 sessions and leave her sitting on her own for an hour!

EggsMichelle Thu 04-Apr-13 09:59:40

He's gone back to bed! Having a proper sleep catch up apparently. Barbeasty the first time I went to our breast feeding group I was the only mum with 2 not very helpful "experts", was a very uncomfortable experience.

I just cried at OBEM. I never cry normally I'm really hormonal at the moment hmm

Cornishlaydee Thu 04-Apr-13 13:50:04

Hello all, my daughter was born 3rd dec but I've not been on here before! Just thought I'd say hello and ask - do any of you have any kind of routine? Mine just naps whenever she feels the need, usually in a car seat, pram, sling, lap, bouncy seat etc....rarely in the crib - if she naps in crib it only lasts 30 mins and she is fed to sleep at night (wasn't always but stopped self settling around 2 months) x

Welcome Cornish smile we have a bedtime routine but that's it. It's impossible with two children! He usually has a morning nap 1.5-2 hours after waking but only for half an hour or so. I try to get him to have it in his cot but if it's a nursery day then it's in the car. Other naps are in the bouncer. Not sure what I'll do when he's too big for that confused