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October 12 - 6 Months already?? Where has the time gone?

(318 Posts)
Thechick Tue 19-Mar-13 06:16:21
Cavatina Tue 19-Mar-13 08:46:03

marking pace here

slightlyroundthebend Tue 19-Mar-13 11:15:08

Marking place

Oops, just posted on the old thread, sorry!

Cavatina Tue 19-Mar-13 18:07:00

cherry hope you having a lovely time catching up with friends, must be hard living so far away, and Japan is tough!
chick you LO was early, hope it was ok, could be scary. Yes 20+ gap is mental, but so am I to be getting back to it, clearly forgotten how much hard work it is, so was like well, how hard can it be, done it twice, and millions of idiots are doing it every day.. also pregnancy and birth were uneventful, but sleep deprivation really got me! how did you get on with the nurseries today?
dupain good luck with the weaning, I found Annabel Karmel book really useful
angelico IKWYM re babyrice, our local bf consultant is totally against it and told me no nutritional value, causes constipation, etc, but then again she is quite a radical Italian mama who thinks we shoud bf until they are 20 and wean them on pasta and olive oil! I am not kidding....

Woolybob Tue 19-Mar-13 20:41:12

The ocd in me is very glad you filled it up cherry!

Thanks for the new thread chick x

Well I spoke too soon - up at 2 & half 3 last night! Hey ho see what tonight brings!

DuPainDuVinDuFromage Tue 19-Mar-13 21:43:18

I agree Cherry, I posted on the old thread after chick had posted the link as I didn't feel comfortable with it not being filled up, so thanks! smile

Thanks cava, one of my RL friends has also recommended Annabel Karmel, I think I am going to get it as everyone seems to think it's good!

DD woke up every two hours last night, so fingers crossed tonight goes a little better...I was knackered all day but had a nap when she did this afternoon and now not remotely tired confused

Thechick Wed 20-Mar-13 03:19:43

No worries about doing the new thread. It was my pleasure. The nurseries were good Cava. They all had their plus and minus points though so we are going to put our name down for a couple and hope one comes up in time. The was one that I completely fell in love with but it's got a 12-18 month waiting list. Crazy!!

Thechick Wed 20-Mar-13 03:22:15

What's the Annabel Karmel? I've heard her name mentioned a few times. I knew she did recipes for toddlers but is she doing a book about weaning too??

Cavatina Wed 20-Mar-13 04:56:52

chick she is the "children food guru" aparently. I was given her " Top 100 baby purees". It has a lot of recipes for stage one and two weaning (up to 12 months), and general guidelines about which food when, allergies, nutrition, etc. The recipes are very easy and most can be cooked and frozen in advance. However, it does not give you a schedule for weaning (i.e. replace 9am feed with x gram babybrice etc which i belive some books do, a RL friend found Gina Ford book on weaning useful for that, but I think Karmel has written one on weaning as well) just guidelines. It suits my approach of mix purree and blw as it gives you a lot of ideas how to be creative but probably not enough info on how to actually wean IYSWIM. I like cooking and we cook a lot, we also try to use seasonal fruit and veg whenever possible as they are tastier than the ones with a big airmiles account (and cheapersmile

Thechick Wed 20-Mar-13 08:26:01

Ill check her out. Busy day today, boo!!

Woolybob Wed 20-Mar-13 08:33:36

Hmmm... dd woke at 6.30 so I fed her, put her back down (looking very much awake) and said to dh 'right I'm having a shower' (thinking ha ha he'll have to get up and get her in 5 mins). However she went back to sleep! And is still asleep! Is this the mythical self settling I hear tales of??? I've had breakfast, unloaded the dishwasher, put laundry on. printed a letter, online banked, caught up on fb drank 2 (yes 2) cups of hot (yes hot!!!) tea and now don't know what to do with myself. grin

Oh yes and we have an AK book too "the complete baby and toddler meal planner" has some good ideas I think, more purees than baby led but that's fine with me, she seems to assume weaning early so we are just combining her first & second stages straight away if YSWIM.

Got to go, finally hear stirring...

Cavatina Wed 20-Mar-13 09:00:54

yaeee for babyWooly! woolyis amazing how much we can get through in a couple of hours! papa would have proly just checked his emails and read the news haha! It comes to show that our LOs will get there hopefully!
hm hope diamond recovered from dentist.

DuPainDuVinDuFromage Wed 20-Mar-13 22:00:44

Well done baby wooly! It's a strange (but nice) feeling getting everything sorted and ŵondering what to do until DC wakes up! I expect that's how it'll feel when they go to university...

I've ordered Annabel Karmel (the complete bla bla planner) from Amazon, excited about getting it! I'm easily pleased these days...

slightlyroundthebend Wed 20-Mar-13 23:02:21

Wow wooly that's amazing! Ds is still not sleeping well its all turning into a blur. I'm keeping a log tonight a la no cry baby sleep thingy. My dh is away with work tonight I'm pissed off annoyed. It's his last week before he starts new job so he could if told them to do one, I'm so tired at the min I actually asked him not to go, usually I understand work is work but ds is sleeping so badly I really need his help. I feel deserted and resentful that he'll be getting a good night's sleep and wonder if that's why he was so insistent on going so he could sleep. Fucking arse. I'm tired so I'm aloud to be totally unreasonable.
So far ds went to sleep at 7, woke briefly at 8 and straight back to sleep but then again at 10 and taken till now to settle tried cuddles, food burping in the end git him semi conscious in cot hand on chest repeating "calm down" in low tones fingers crossed. He wakes up screaming blue murder but his eyes are tight shut......is this normal? Any ideas I miss more than 2hrs sleep :'(
So I actually had a lovely day with pil, we had lunch at farm shop then to an aunts but ds ate sweat fa. This always happens with pil they take him from me and then over stimulate and he won't feed or I'll be trying and they are e bloody singing and dancing and claping at him while I try. Argh I need to stand up for myself.
Oh fook ds up again!

DuPainDuVinDuFromage Wed 20-Mar-13 23:11:38

Oh poor slightly sad

Oh dd's just woken up again...

slightlyroundthebend Thu 21-Mar-13 00:15:18

Argh 2hrs to settle had to calpol he was screaming. Teeth again??? Going to be long night isn't it Urgh.
Dupain I have a couple of AK books they seem good nice and easy to follow smile
Right attempting sleep.myself now ttfn smile

smile4me Thu 21-Mar-13 01:41:44

Thanks for starting new thred thechick I really should figure out how to do that one of these days smile

Good on babyWooly for giving mummy extra time in the morning! IKWYN about not knowing what to do with yourself sometimes when they're sleeping unexpectedly!
DD woke up at 5:20 yesterday, happy and singing but very awake and ready for the day, fed her and had her in bed with us like we do every morning, then the little toad fell back asleep until nearly 8 (leaving us very awake!)

Has DS got any teeth through yet slightly ? I think DD's next tooth will be through on Sat, then another one early next week by the looks of things confused And we inflicted further insult with final jabs yesterday, but she seems OK so far so fingers and toes all crossed!

Has anyone read the BLW book? Is quite good, I quite like the lazy relaxed approach, although she is very anti doing anything other than letting your baby feed themselves! Come to that, all aby book writers seem to be very strongly polarised... maybe I should write a book about mixing it all up...

smile4me Thu 21-Mar-13 01:43:46

How long does the I've-rolled-on-my-stomach-and-am-really-pissed-cos-I-can't-get-back stage last??? Getting rather tiring!

DuPainDuVinDuFromage Thu 21-Mar-13 08:07:56

DD doesn't roll over at all - she's done it a few times from tummy to back, but not since a couple of weeks ago. Should I be worried? She is sitting up by herself now though (very wobbly though!)

slightlyroundthebend Thu 21-Mar-13 08:50:26

Hi smile he has 2 teeth so far, trying to look in to see but no luck I'll have to chance it later.
I haven't read blw book but I'm guessing it's all about soft finger foods? I'm going to try mixing both approaches I think and see how he goes.
Ds can and has rolled both ways but only when suits him and does seem to bothered by it, he'd far rather be sitting up reaching around hmmm wonder if he'll be one of these kids that skips crawling? He's back to planning at the min which is very frustrating when trying to get him in high chair, car seat etc but also can be very funny smile
On subject if car seats has anyone moved up out of mobile car seats into bigger kid ones I probs should as ds is big at 20lbs!!! He'll be 6 months on the 26th but it's so easy when he's sleeping to just clip it on the buggy oh decisions decisions!
These are the ramblings of a tired mind brought him into bed with me at 4.30 and was up at 5.50 sent hate text tired text to hubby then felt bad praying to god of babies for better night tonight eeek right off for brew

Cavatina Thu 21-Mar-13 08:51:24

grr hate ipad, just lost long post as babyCava tried to help..
slightly poor you, hope you managed to get some sleep. booo hiss for dh leaving you on your own when so stressed! Can you leave hom in charge of bedtime during w/end so you can get a glass of vino or a brew in peace? or try to get some time for yourself, even 20min out of the house? I noticed babyCava gets really wired in the evening when we have been doing a lot during the day, meeting people etc, so I find giving her nappy free time before bath to kick around helps often as it tires her, but of course does not help when teething etc. sorry if not helpful
dupain yes very easily pleased these days, btw I ordered philips avent baby food storage set from amazon is on special offer, good reviews and recommented by a RL friend for freezing.
smile have not read the book, but tbh I am tired and a bit fed up by the how to feed our baby debate/advice in the public domain, do you find there is NEVER middle ground, is always bf-ff, blw-puree, etc, and it is so judgemental! Makes you feel guilty one way or another, one would thing they have bloody figured out what is best for the baby since we have been having babies for quite some time now!! I think we have to make sure our babies have enough nutritious food and are well informrd on allergies etc, and whatever works for us we should do guilt free. Sorry for the rant! I think a book on the middle way is a great idea, go for it!
Nice and bright here, have friends coming for lunch today bit miffed as they said dont worry about food we bring stuff etc etc, then texted at midnight "shall we do take away" well not really! me trying to eat healthy as given up on losing waight but trying at least not to put on more! So am off to cook while babyCava is having quality time with daddy. have a nice day all!

woundbobbin Thu 21-Mar-13 08:56:56

Hi. This is my first ever post I've been reading for ages (sorry if that's a bit creepy) I find it really helpful to read about other people with DC the same age (its a relief to know I'm not the only one who's DC have never slept for more than a few hours in a row) anyway re weaning I've got a book "weaning made easy" by Dr. Rana Conway I'd really recommend it she outlines the pros and cons of traditional & BLW and then a balanced (mixed) approach there is a meal planner and a few simple recipes. I found it really helpful so thought I'd recommend smile

slightlyroundthebend Thu 21-Mar-13 10:38:08

Hi wound welcome smile I was the same reading from afar!
Cava your rant made me chuckle yes think back 500 years I imagine people just fed what they could. Also interesting to look at different cultures that's why I'm going to do both mush and blw. Ds already grabs the spoon to feed himself which is highly entertaining and very messy.
I got some sleep and caffeine is kicking in smile in all fairness to hubby he's very good when at home so I will get some me time. I'm spoilt really when I think of single mums or relationships where one works away it must be very hard!
Going to cheer myself up by going spending cash in mothercare smile
Oooh who watched bed time live? Hehehehehe

Cavatina Thu 21-Mar-13 12:18:36

welcome wound thank you for the book tip will have a look. How old is your LO?
slightly well done for getting some sleep smile burning cash (mostly intrnet shopping lately as babyCava does not like shops generally, she gets really hot and bothered, only Waitrose for the little madam hehe) is great for therapy, make sure you get something for youself too (lipstick is my thing). Meant to watch bed time life thingy as the woman was on women hour on radio 4, what was it like? I think I can get it off the 4oD.

Cavatina Thu 21-Mar-13 13:20:21

ghrr spelling on iPad not working sorry! hate touch keyboards and predict.. So much for healthy eating made chock and strawberry cake for tea and we off to the pub for lunch, oh well, once I finish bfeeding...
chick forgot to fill you in on baby yoga, is nice, 1.5h, babies in the middle on rug and we on yoga mats, it kind of works for an hour then LOs become restless so feed/cuddle/etc. The instructor is a bit of a baby whisperer, she watchds over them while we stretch and knows all sorts of tricks to calm them down for a while, then we have tea and biscuits and a chat after the class, so it is on the whole good to get one out of the house for two hours and meet other mums. However, it is pricey (£13 vs£5 at local surestart but they not doing it anymore). Also it only makes sense to do it while LOs still stationary,once they start crawling and you have to chase them around the room forget it! hope this is helpful

Thechick Fri 22-Mar-13 05:21:41

Hey all. Just saying a quick hi!! On second feed of the night, so for us a good night so far. Welcome wound to the thread. I hope you enjoy. Ill reply properly in the morning, finding it hard to retain names in my head at this time of the morning.

Cavatina Fri 22-Mar-13 08:22:23

not much sleep last night babyCava up almost every hour. am exhausted, feeding again now hm, long day ahead...

slightlyroundthebend Fri 22-Mar-13 08:27:14

My sympathies cava pretty much every hr again here it's got to be teeth, got to be. Although he is also snotty from a cold :$
Been reading weaning book wow need to organise myself!
Happy Friday!!

woundbobbin Fri 22-Mar-13 09:43:32

Thanks for the welcome! grin dd was born on the 1st oct so nearly 6 months. Huge sympathy re the hourly waking its so exhausting - everyone I meet seems to have a baby who slept 7-7 from 6 weeks - thought I was doing something wrong! Re the car seat query up the thread I overheard a women refusing to sell a forward facing car seat to a lady who's baby was under 6 months ( although saying that they are a bit nuts in Mothercare ) fingers crossed for more sleep everyone!

Cavatina Fri 22-Mar-13 10:12:13

re car seats babyCava still in backward facing clip on, I thought up to a year but may depend on how big the baby is. Ours is up to 13kg I think and babyCava is 7.2kg so we staying put.

Cavatina Fri 22-Mar-13 10:15:35

woww slightly 20lbs he is a big boy!

slightlyroundthebend Fri 22-Mar-13 11:54:13

He's a beast, doesn't look 20lbs and I laugh at people now when they pick him up and get a shock haha

Cavatina Fri 22-Mar-13 15:36:21

wound imho mums in RL are a bit economical with the truth about sleeping. Not sure why, fear of being judged incompetent by their friends? Competitive child rearing? no idea... same with co-sleeping (hate the terminology). Very few will admit it but a lot are doing it.

Cavatina Fri 22-Mar-13 19:27:26

babyCava learned to roll back to front and been practicing all afternoon, very pleased with herself! anticipate another sleepless night as she too excited oh dear

Thechick Fri 22-Mar-13 21:03:16

Hello all. Hope everyone is well. I am soooo tired today. I've had a headache which is usually a sign that I need more water and sleep. LO has been sleeping okay waking 2 or 3 times but I've been having troubles getting back to sleep. Boo

Wooly I'm very jealous of your little one self settling. I need my little one to do a bit of that. H uses the boob to fall asleep and I don't mind at all but when he goes to nursery (in September) he won't be able to do that.

Dupain I wouldn't be worried by the not rolling over. They are all so different. My little one rolls but can't sit up. And has no hand eye coordination. They'll all get there.

Cava baby yoga sounds fun. I haven't found a surestart near me that does it, it's only privately run places. But I think time tables change after Easter so hopefully ill find one near me that does it.

Sorry all about the frequent wakings. I'm starting to feel fortunate at H is only waking 2 or 3 times. Going to sleep now, will be back at some point.

Thechick Fri 22-Mar-13 21:05:08

Cava that's very cool about the rolling. It's all go go go from here!!

slightlyroundthebend Sat 23-Mar-13 07:53:01

Morning all I have awoken to a blizzard so it's pj day for us I think.
chick no yoga here either its a shame really I seem to find more and the good classes have waiting lists or the classes aren't there. Gap in the market if anyone is motivated (wish I was)
So baby slightly well and truely has cold, got up this morn and his little nose was crusted dry looked so sore I've washed and moisturised it sad
Does anyone have experience with baby eczema? I have it and think ds is getting it on his leg I've been using E45 but not working any ideas????

Woolybob Sat 23-Mar-13 10:00:08

chick I've been mostly feeding to sleep too, I keep making half hearted attempts at a sort of gradual withdrawal sort of approach but also getting her to sleep in different ways occasionally like in pram or dh rocking her. I think mainly they just get there on their own and a lot at this age is luck with sleeping. Not convinced sleep training much good until a bit older? I basically have no idea what I am doing most of the time thou! Another 7pm till 6am night here thou.... yay! grin

Happy Saturday all!

Cavatina Sat 23-Mar-13 11:25:25

morning all snow here too fed up with weather soo boring and palavar to get out...
slightly sorry lo is unwell hope he recovers soon. no experience with eczema here, but I remember when reading up on baby acne the advice was to take baby to gp as ther are some prescription drugs depending on how severe it is.
wooly we also feed to sleep, so far she has never self settled to sleep for the night, and sleep varies. I am with you in that they will get there eventually, from what I read about sleep training if concidered no point before 6 months earliest.
no exciting plans for weekend here, dp working this morning so me contemplating wrapping up and getting babyCava in the ergo to the shop to get the newspaper, she is now shuffling backwards on her tummy getting a bit cross, hilarious

RunningOutOfIdeas Sat 23-Mar-13 17:58:17

Hello all. Can I join you please? I was on one of the early ante-natal threads.

My DD2 was born on 5th Oct. DD1 will be 5 in April.

I am currently in Australia, staying with my mum, and mostly only reading when DD2 needs feeding at night. I came here with both DDs a week ago and will be here for 3 more weeks. DH is not with us, he is in the US working.

I have started weaning - using bought purees at the moment because I don't want to spend time here making batches of food and trying to cram them into mum's already full freezer. Also there seems to be a much bigger variety of purees in the supermarket here, compared to Sainsburys. Yesterday I also gave lo a piece of cucumber to suck on. She enjoyed it. So I will continue giving her little bits from my plate along with spoon feeding her.

RunningOutOfIdeas Sat 23-Mar-13 18:32:06

Slightly I would go to gp about eczema. DD1 had it due to dairy intolerance. DD2 has some red patches on her neck due to loads of dribble and vomit - she has reflux. I am using a tiny amount of hydrocortisone cream to try clear up her neck. DD1 used to scratch until she bled so I am hoping to stop it getting that bad with DD2.

Cavatina Sun 24-Mar-13 10:32:34

hi, running and welcome. hope weather in Australia better than here! Have you started dropping feeds now you are on puree or not yet? this is the bit I am not so sure about..
hope everyone having a lovely Sunday

slightlyroundthebend Sun 24-Mar-13 11:34:37

Happy sunday everyone and welcome running
Well what a difference a sleep in (thank you lovely hubby all is forgiven) and a girly catch up makes, feel like a new woman!
Baby slightly been very good and is loving his purees and finger foods, still sleeping like poop but he is full of cold his little nose looks so sore sad
wooly and cava we're another feed to sleep or rock mind he's really getting too big for that now, I agree it will just happen in time. If not you'll see me on the next series of bedtime live haha

woundbobbin Sun 24-Mar-13 12:27:25

Happy Sunday. & hello running. I was going to start weaning tomorrow but dd has a grim cold and I'm not sure if I should just wait till she's feeling better. My other worry is expressing I've never really managed to do it but baby porridge & baby rice says add your baby's 'normal' milk & some of the puree recipes say the same. I can't see how I'm going to express enough but something tells me I'm not supposed to use cows milk??

RunningOutOfIdeas Sun 24-Mar-13 12:41:26

Cavatina I am sure you won't really want me to tell you that it has been 29C here today. Last night was 25C and really humid. Sorry for all of you suffering with snow.

DD2 has hip dysplasia. Her right hip was dislocated and she has been in a pavlik harness for 8 weeks. The heat has proved to be a problem. The harness goes over her shoulders and across her chest with cross-over bits on her back. She was covered in heat rash. Fortunately yesterday I found some thin cotton vests to put under the harness and I also bought a little sheepskin for her to sleep on. Her back is now much better.

I tried giving DD2 a quick splash in my sister's pool a couple of days ago. She was not impressed! She had not had a bath for 7 weeks because the harness had to be on 24 hours a day so I think the pool was a bit too much. Her hip is nearly ok now so the hospital said I could take the harness off for short periods here. A good thing with this heat and humidity.

No milk feeds have been dropped yet. I don't think enough food is going in for that yet. We don't have a really consistent routine and there is still often a feed required at 3 or 4 am. DD1 loved her food and was wolfing down much larger portions than DD2 does. I think it was night feeds then lunch time feeds that went first. She just started losing interest in the bottle.

RunningOutOfIdeas Sun 24-Mar-13 12:48:17

Woundbobbin you can use cows milk in food from 6 months, just not as a drink. I use a mixture of water and fruit purée with baby rice. I think rice alone tastes of nothing and bought purees are often too runny so mixing the 2 together seems to work.

Celestia Sun 24-Mar-13 13:57:49

Hello smile

I have posted a few times but it's difficult to become integrated into an established group so now seems the right time to start posting properly smile.

My boy/girl twins were born on the 5th at 37 weeks by planned section due to them both being breech. I also have a dd who is 6.

Thankfully, they are really good babies and even though they're twins, I'm finding things easier second time round. Life is very busy though!

March has been a good month, full of firsts. They both started sleeping through and have continued to do so, sleeping 7-6 every night. Ds rolled back to front last week and cut his first tooth yesterday smile.

We've not started weaning yet but I'm stocking the freezer up with purees. I've done apple, carrot and pear so far and have bought some sweet potato today too. I'm going to do as much blw as I can when they can sit up. They don't put things in thir mouth yet either. How about the other babies?

woundbobbin you can use cows milk in cooking from 6 months, as Running said.

Cavatina Sun 24-Mar-13 16:24:07

wound yes you can use cows milk after 6months, I have used HipOrganic formula to mix the rice, but I have only given her babyrice twice, and yesterday I noticed some rush ob her cheek, looks like a bit of baby actpne, very mild, burpt wonder whether it is a reaction to the formula, hm. I never managed t express either and it is such faff I have not felt I need to make the effort. probably best to wait for dd to get better before starting
running sorry to hear about the hip dysplasia, poor thing, but sounds like all is getting sorted, it must have been hard work. We also had a hip scan as babyCava was bridge and our consultant wanted to make sure she is ok, but he also said is totally treatable. and yes am envy about the weather and oooh dip in the pool sounds lovely, enjoy!
slightly bravo for hubby taking over!
hi celestia twins wowww well done! and for sleeping too! you can sure do with some sleep! nice to see you here, IKWYM by trying to integrate previously.
I am off to make some pair puree, seems it is babyCava's favourite, and the kitchen smells soo nice when I cook it!

Cavatina Sun 24-Mar-13 17:23:50

pear puree!

DuPainDuVinDuFromage Sun 24-Mar-13 22:18:44

Hello and welcome celestia and running!

We started weaning today - some banana mashed up with a bit of formula. DH and I were very excited, and dd loved it, she couldn't get enough! Interesting poo resulted - it had black bits in...I live such a glamorous life these days!

Cavatina Sun 24-Mar-13 22:40:29

hahaha dupain, fruit mashing and poo monitoring, glamorous it ain't! it is fun though, discovering what they like and don't, it is part of getting to know them I guess.... same poo result here from mashed banana btw

lisbethsopposite Sun 24-Mar-13 22:55:16

OMG I go away for a few days... Weeks, and what has happened????
You seem like nice people but where is everybody? Please come back.

Thanks cherry for thinking of me. I was on a bit of a downer but better now. Fed up enough of baby in RL that I didn't want to talk baby too - does that make sense?

What's up firsttime? Are you ok?
Thinking of you Yomping & fjordmor.
We DTD this weekend. Can't say worth the wait but god it felt good.

I don't know who people are on FB. Hmmm

Think I have the oldest baby (sept 24) so 6 months here. Just got 2 teeth in last few days. Thank god for cal pol.

smile4me Mon 25-Mar-13 03:07:25

lisbeths we are all on FB... there is a cheat sheet so you can figure out who everyone is! smile We have been missing you! hopefully now the teeth are through P will give you a bit of a break!

slightlyroundthebend Mon 25-Mar-13 04:22:11

Oooh I wonder if roles are reversed now and where us newbies watched from a distance not posting the original starters of this thread are doing the same....watching but but not posting?????
Hi lisbeth ds was 26th Sept so we're close and agree bout calpol I would of been more demented without it. 2 teeth here too but judging by amount of drool guessing no3 can't bee too far off (wishful thinking)
Dupain smile at banana de loves it too I had a mega blend of fruits this weekend, my shopping trolley never looked so varied and healthy! He's loving it!
Tell you what though I'm starting to think this "feeding solid fills them" is a load of shit! Ds ontop of bottles today has had baby porridge and later apple& pair (hehehe) pear puree and is currently on 2 bottle tonight what's the crack with that? All on all so far he's woken 6bloody times tonight I can see the end of my tether quite clearly. Dh starts new job tomorrow so really want him to go awake so doing it myself tonight yawn!
Haha hubby just asked if cow&gate are in partnership with redbull hahaha

Cavatina Mon 25-Mar-13 09:16:33

they proly think what a boring bunch just as well we got out before they got in..
it is a much slower thread now..
hehe slightly for cow&gate/redbull partnership, is a great idea, you heard it here first(your hubby should go into management consultancy). no sleep here either, babyCava went to bed at 8, then woke up at 10, 1am and proceeded to amuse herself by farting, burping, chatting, waiving hands etc until 4.30, then 6am feed and now up for the day at 8. It is all a blur now, papa moved out of bedroom at 2 I think, so I am at the end of my tether. How long is that going to go on for?
have a headache and my whole body hurts. She however is mega churpy blowing raspberies presently while I am an my third cuppa and 2nd pack of rich tea.
Also hair still falling out and skin gone from dry to really greasy and spots, wtf? hormones? no sign of period here..
rant over hope you ladies have a happy Monday

woundbobbin Mon 25-Mar-13 12:30:10

Is it that boring (must think of something more exciting to say) babybobbin's cold better today so I gave her some baby porridge made it according to the packet instructions and it was super watery she was massively more interested in the spoon than the porridge most of which dribbled out I sense this weaning process might be slow ! Ok I'm off to think of something hugely exciting to post that will have them returning from Facebook so fast that mark zuckerberg will have a massive strop and will post about it on AIBU! grin

Cavatina Mon 25-Mar-13 16:23:00

grin go wound zuckeyboy watch this space!
am sitting in the hallway, cinnamon roll cake in oven, babyCava sleeping in pram outside scandinavian style, thinking of something exciting to post too.
in the meantime this is my technique for feeding babyCava puree: spoon goes half way in, press tongue down gently while tipping spoon 45% so it touches top gum and slowly withdrawing spoon while depositing puree comfortably midway thus avoiding spitting or gagging. Am genious!
btw also find instructions for preparing baby rice and porrige makes it very watery
at baby yoga today I was commenting on how cute one of the babies is in his dugnarees when the mum told me she thoughtnso too until her so-called "friend" from the same group told her he looks like plumber. He is 5 months old! why are some of us so mean! as if life being a mum is not hard enough...tell you am not looking forward to the schooll gate brigade... oh well home education always an option...
oops oven timer off, must run or else no cake for tea for the cava household

Cavatina Tue 26-Mar-13 15:53:28

helloo lovely people hope all is well, another long night babyCava waking up every two hours ghrrrr. Trying to figure out the wonder weeks has anyone followed for your lo?

squidkid Tue 26-Mar-13 18:26:02

Hello lovelies. I was one of the original thread (well we've not been gone that long, but it feels like it sometimes!) - I'm glad to see people are continuing in our absence!
Felt like I left without a goodbye, so love and luck and just to add to the comments saying it's definitely not personal, it just seems like where our group naturally progressed to and most of us prefer it more private.
Here in squidworld we are having shit sleep (after a very easygoing baby who slept through the night from 6 weeks old!) and lots of new exciting developments, so I'm trying to just take it as it comes, and not analyse too much. My motto is "everything is a phase!" I am proud of myself that I've managed to exclusively breastfeed to 6 months (baby squid is 6 months old on Saturday), with a lot of luck and support. We haven't had any solids yet, but that will all change grin on Friday - and I am so so excited.

I wish you all the best and will try and drop in every now and again.

(angelico Happy half-birthday for...yesterday was it? I know you were one of the very first on our thread to have your bean. Please come and join us - feel free to use a pseudonym!!
lisbeths hope to see you too - was a bit disorientating at first but lovely to see pics and easier format we think.)

Thechick Wed 27-Mar-13 03:44:11

Hello ladies. Sorry I haven't been around much, we've been getting really bad sleep and I've just been feeling really off. I've had a headache since Friday and was feeling a bit nauseous at the weekend. Paracetamol isn't really touching it. Ive been starving too. I think I just need a good block of sleep and ill be fine. Slifgtly my LO had eczema on his face mostly and we were told e45 by the hv but epaderm by the doctor. The e45 made it worse and the epaderm started working in a couple if days. He still gets occasional dry patches on his leg but it goes with regular use. Welcome back celestia, twins, my goodness. Very well done on the sleeping babies I'm very jealous and I'm also jealous of the sun you are getting running. Cava are you cooking all of the purees? (Apart from banana and avocado). I'm going back to sleep now. Will catch up on the rest of the thread next feed.

Cavatina Wed 27-Mar-13 08:37:02

morning lovely people, squid nice to hear from you.
chick sorry to hear you have not been feeling great, sounds very familiar, I attribute it to exhaustion, what helps me is eating a lot (proteins and carbs in form of biscuits and cake mostly, and I try not to worry what it is doing to my figure as just trying to survive) and getting out of the house. It is a shame, I think one night of 5h sleep will do for me as well, as you say, but no such luck chez cava either. Can your lovely hubby help? I guess can be stressful with him starting new job etc. Puree-yes, I cook myself, well is steaming really, my approach is every coupe of days introduce new food, so steam the carrot give her a bit then freeze the rest, then do the same with sweet potato etc so she gets fresh puree the first time and then the defrosted stuff. I also try to do it around our meals, so did steak with salad and sweet potato mash for us, steamed spotato instead of boiling it, took some out for her (enough for freezing too) and blended (have a handheld, is great), added butter, cream, nutmeg and seasoned the rest for us and voila! pear and apple only takes 4min to cook so it is easy too.
have to dash appt in town, will catch up later. have a good day

Cavatina Wed 27-Mar-13 08:41:26

oops sorry was slightly with hubby new job sleep deprived brain not working

woundbobbin Wed 27-Mar-13 09:32:49

We had a shocking night - lulled us into a false sense of security by sleeping 8-11 then woke hourly which worsened to crying - feeding/rocking - falling asleep in arms - put down - wakes as soon as the 1st body part touches the cothmm luckily dh stayed up with her for a bit so got some sleep he also bought her downstairs this am to give me an hour snooze when I came down they were happily watching cbeebies apparently dd loves peppa pig (not sure this is a good thing but to tired to care)
Dd ate some apple purée yesterday she wasn't that fussed on it I tasted it and it was a bit grim am going to try and make her pear purée a bit nicer today!
Going swimming later am not very brave at dunking dd under the water so we float around like those ladies who swim breaststroke to try and avoid getting their hair wet!

woundbobbin Wed 27-Mar-13 09:36:57

Oops posted to soon! Meant to say sorry your not feeling well chick sleep deprivation does make you feel so wretched hope you feel better soon. Agree with cava that five hours unbroken sleep would make a huge difference!

woundbobbin Wed 27-Mar-13 09:38:35

Also 1st message that weird word should read puree sorry

DuPainDuVinDuFromage Wed 27-Mar-13 10:34:03

Sorry haven't managed to post recently, I keep getting side-tracked by other threads and then dd wakes up! We tried carrot yesterday and she didn't like it but we'll have another go today. She loves the banana though!

In other news, she has stopped sleeping well at night so dh and I are knackered now, and she keeps being copiously sick (mostly over me) because she has a cough, which triggers the gag reflex. Lots of fun!

Hope all of you lot are doing well, I have read everyone's posts but no time to comment individually as dd has just finished her nap...

slightlyroundthebend Wed 27-Mar-13 10:48:42

Good morning ladies, hello squid nice to hear alls ok and nice if you "pop in"

Cava chick exhaustion is a killer isn't it once the initial adrenalin of newborn days is gone its a real slog. Baby slightly still full of cold he looked like something from one if the alien films when I got him up this morning.

So clocks change this weekend don't they? Wondering if this will work in my favour ds currently doing bed time routine starting at 6 (he chose this time) and wakes to be up for the day at 6am will have to see.

So ladies sex drive has finally returned wahoo! Am trying very hard to keep a good relationship with hubby it would be very easy for it to get lost in the tiredness and grumpy days going on at the mo. I'm going to ask his mum if she'll have ds for a night in May when it's our 1st wedding anniversary. Has anyone else done a night away yet? Feel bit anxious but also feel it's time now.

So also in yay news I've finally got a place at musical minis, start in April, we currently do baby sensory and have done since he was 4 weeks but other good stuff has waiting lists.....still waiting for a water baby place he's going to be oldest one there when we get one I think! Anyone else do it? I think it's so important for kids/people to swim, I'm surprised by number of adults that don't but then I live in countryside and grew up with summers at the river smile Ahhh summer what's that again??

Best go he's stirring from nap

smile

Thechick Wed 27-Mar-13 11:43:30

Thanks for all the sympathy. I really appreciate it. Dh does help a lot. I never feel any pressure to have the house looking a certain way or dinner cooked or anything. And he does try to get H back to sleep if he wakes soon after feeding at night, but I usually get woken in the process or sometimes only milk will do. I do try to get out every day but I think that might be the problem. I think I need a rest day and do lots of lounging and biscuit eating. Yay!!

slightlyroundthebend Wed 27-Mar-13 12:21:44

chick a day lazing would probs do you the world of good. Is your dh off over easter could he take baby out for an afternoon and let you watch crap tv or film uninterrupted??

Thechick Wed 27-Mar-13 21:28:06

I feel so much better after a day of not doing much. Dh is off from tomo so there will be lots of dh/lo time!!

Cavatina Wed 27-Mar-13 22:16:35

evening all,
hm seems like a tough time sleepwise for everyone.
wound sounds exhausting, hope you managed to rest a bit and have a better night. I have given up on rocking babyCava, my shoulders are killing me. Have not braved baby swimming yet, is it fun? I love swimming but pool I am member of does not do kids, went to check the local one and was not impressed with changing rooms- very cold and miles away from babypool. Also do you shower baby after swim or do it once you get home?
dupain babyCava was not crazy about carrot either, so I think will wait few days and try again. Hope dd gets over the cold soon
slightly yeyee for sexdrive, and yes is important to remember we are not just parents! We have not been away from lo, but I have done in the past with ds and dd1, after they were 6 months old, we would live them with my mum for a night, it was fine, and it was before mobile phones! It was nice to have some grown up time.
chick I second slightly lazing at home with cake and tv would be great if dh can entertain ds for few hours out of the house, otherwise you will probably not be able to switch off
BabyCava and I had a busy time in town today which pushed back bed time, and now she is finally asleep. Not looking forward to clock changing, is not summer yet! Weather will be sheeet for another forthnight at least, so I am on lastminute.com trying to figure out the shortest flight to a sunny place (north africa?) and do we need to remortgage the house to get there...
may this be the night our lo's finally crack the sleeping through the night skill

Cavatina Wed 27-Mar-13 22:17:48

chick crossposted glad you feeling better!

woundbobbin Thu 28-Mar-13 10:05:52

Better night last night which was a relief. Cava I have mainly stopped rocking because it was killing my back also dd fights by arching her back and I find I'm almost juggling her it only really works now if she is very sleepy!
I've been taking her swimming once a week since she was about 8 weeks (mainly because it makes her sleepy smile) we are lucky to have a lovely big baby friendly local pool with good baby changing etc it costs £4 to get in but I think it's worth it. You tube has videos of what they do at water babies so I've copied some of that sometimes I balance her on a float and push her along this makes me feel like I'm doing some exercise (prob burns about 2 calories) - re the shower I spin around holding dd in the shower then when we get in I have a shower because she tends to fall asleep in the car !
Am trying some carrot today expecting limited success !

RunningOutOfIdeas Thu 28-Mar-13 11:44:37

Hello All. We have been staying at a farm for the past 3 days with no Internet. I have come to rely on MN to get me through sleepless nights. Felt weird not having it.

DD1 enjoyed helping feed the farm animals, hunt for chickens eggs and horse riding. The nights were cooler because we were in the hills so DD2's heat rash is a little better. I had one really bad night - the smoke detector in my room went off twice (don't know why), then DD1 woke and was crying that her leg hurt, then DD2 decided 5am was the right time to start her day (after also waking at 2 and 4am).

I took both DDs to the beach with my mum yesterday. Put DD2 in the shade with mum while I jumped the waves with DD1. So mum spent most of the time wiping sand off DD2 while she kept sweeping her hands and feet off the towel she was lying on and getting more sand over herself. I think she may have now included sand in her weaning diet. Her nappies have been rather sandy today.

Chick glad you are feeling better. I really think tiredness can make you feel so ill and make any bug 10x worse. Can you get some regular breaks, even just an hour a couple of times a week, that it totally 'you' time?

Slightly sex drive - what's that then? I think mine fell in the freezer months ago.

Angelico Thu 28-Mar-13 12:05:01

Hey ladies, just a quick wave and run and a special wave to Squid and Lisbeth of the old guard smile All well here, bean has been scoffing a mix of purees and finger foods for the last week and is having a ball! Love seeing her face with tart foods - she had yoghurt the day she turned 6 months and shook her head and shivered - obviously too sharp tasting lol. Slightly dreading the whole clocks going forward business simply because it's uncharted territory. Squid sorry to hear Jess isn't sleeping hope it's a short phase like the 4 month one. Bean is sleeping same as ever for now but I take nothing for granted any more!!! smile She's still in our room because I just can't bring myself to put her into her own room, too used to having her with us now. Love to all on the FB group, keep hmming and hawing about joining, partly on the basis that I'll never get any work done if I do blush

Celestia Thu 28-Mar-13 13:30:11

Sorry I've not been around, had a stressful week sad. I found a breast lump at the weekend and my doctor has referred me to the hospital for a mammogram, scan and possible biopsy sad. My appointment is a week on monday. She said she felt it was a cyst and was just referring me to double check but I'm terrified. Has anyone had any experience of this?

The twins are 25 weeks tomorrow and we've started weaning as dts as started waking earlier each morning ( 4.45am was toooo early!). It's gone down like a lead balloon! Dtd still has her tongue thrust reflex so most if it is being spat out but dts retches when the spoon get near his lips! I think we'll gently persevere with the aim of just getting the spoon to his lips lol.

How's the weaning going for everyone else?

Angelico Thu 28-Mar-13 17:47:29

Celestia yes, I have experience, will PM you - don't worry x

Celestia Thu 28-Mar-13 19:06:59

Thanks Angelico x

crazypaving Thu 28-Mar-13 20:28:30

sorry to argy barge my way in

Big wave to Angelico! We miss you!

And Elpis if you're reading this, please come back!! We miss you on the fb group! Please don't go!

crazypaving Thu 28-Mar-13 20:31:59

and just to add, you lot aren't boring at all! It's just kind of nice on fb with the pics etc, more personal, and it's a bit too much to keep up both at once!

Glad you guys are keeping the thread going. It's lovely to have teh support. Good luck with all your babies!

Angelico Thu 28-Mar-13 21:20:31

Hey Crazy smile Glad you're all doing well! Funnily enough I wondered if Elpis had joined the FB group as I seem to remember she was a bit dubious about the privacy thing (although I think some people saw her on TV that time on the news!) Hope both mini-Crazies are doing well! smile x

Cavatina Thu 28-Mar-13 21:39:07

evening lovelies, the Cava household left the metropolis for a week of rusticating smile it is coooold! but the mountains are covered with snow and is so pretty! could not believe how much stuff babyCava travels with, is mental! was quite stressful but the 4h journey went well (well the pussycats had an accident, younger one was sick on his brother poor thing, so babywipes quite handy grin
celestia, I have experience too, try not to worry, will pm as well
off to bed now will catch up with you all tomorrow

smile4me Thu 28-Mar-13 21:57:17

Hi Angelico had been wondering if you were still reading, I popped on here for the first time in a a while and here you are! Have been meaning to ask if your bean has had her hip xray yet? Glad to hear the real food is going well smile I've been trying to de-vegeterianise DD for a few days but the beautiful lamb fillets and venison steaks weren't even worthy of her opening her mouth! We're not officially starting till next week, but they were so tasty that I thought it would be rude not to share it with her!

Angelico Thu 28-Mar-13 22:28:03

Hey Smile - funnily enough I phoned the HV today as no letter yet about hips. She's on annual leave so will have to chase it up next week. Chortling at the idea of your DD turning up her nose at venison smile

Cavatina Sat 30-Mar-13 08:18:06

morning lovely people, internet here bit rubbish, so quick wave to everyone hoping you enjoying the long Easter weekend smile and dp/dh are having quality time with los so you can have some ME time flowers
running very very envy - beach time enjoy! I used to be a beachbum, would spend the whole summer on the beach shooting the breeze ( in warmer climes it was..)
celestia we are pressing on with the puree business but somehwat feels rather random as babyCava's meal times hard to nail presently so sometimes introducing new food for breakfast, sometimes lunch or tea. she is enjoying the experience but nutritional value quite low I expect. And she does seem hungrier..
Also had shocking night, she is too excited to be away from home so the whole bed time routine gone through the window. She is napping now so better go and have a cuppa..

RunningOutOfIdeas Sat 30-Mar-13 11:10:02

Celestia I hope all goes well with your biopsy. Sorry for everyone still getting crap nights. DD2 is completely unpredictable. She does not usually need feeding after 7pm, but sometimes she does and orher times she will go back to sleep with just a dummy. Yesterday morning she started singing at 5.15am - too early for me. I left her to it since she was happy but by 5.30 she had filled her nappy and then was shouting for attention. At least here I can sit outside with her in the morning, give her a bottle and watch the birds. I really don't want to have to go home in 2 weeks.

Hope you are all having a good Easter weekend. DD1 has been very worried that the Easter bunny would not know where she was. In fact this year the Easter bunny has been very generous (grandma and great gran spoiling her).

Angelico Sat 30-Mar-13 15:49:01

Downside of weaning: frequent pooping. Like 3-4 times every single day sad This from a baby who only pooped every 3-4 days previously! <weeps>

Londonmrss Sat 30-Mar-13 18:13:43

hi chaps, just wanted to pop on and say hello. I'll have a read back of what's been going on because I haven't been on here in a bit. hope everyone's ok.

Thechick Sun 31-Mar-13 06:52:55

Happy Easter everyone. Hope all is well. We were supposed to move H into his own room this weekend and start solids but neither has happened which is completely fine with me. He's been really fussy on the boob recently. Not sure if he's going through a growth spurt. Think I might up my fenugreek dose and see what happens. We were going to do a mix of blw and purees but have decided to go with blw completely but that could change. He's not sitting up on his own so might wait to do the blw until he does. What are you guys doing about the time change and bedtime routine. Are you going to continue using the old time and gradually bring it earlier or are you going to do everything and hour earlier and just hope they adapt.

Woolybob Sun 31-Mar-13 11:06:35

Happy Easter All!

We celebrated by at 12 hour sleep (she was waking again the previous 2 nights so am very relieved!). Weaning going well here, mainly purees as she doesn't seem keen on finger foods - weird as everything else goes in the mouth! Loves anything on a spoon thou, banana and ready brek this morning and it has to be egg for lunch today doesn't it!

But yes lots more poos...

We aren't doing anything for the hour change will just to bed at normal time and see what happens!

Have a good day all x

Cavatina Sun 31-Mar-13 12:43:10

Happy Easter All!
runnung well done Easter bunny for finding dd1 all the way accross the world! She is lucky to have grandma and greatgranny smile Dont blame you for not rushing back, weather here likely to stay cold for the whole of April sad
chick he might be acquiring new skills, they do get fussy.
we are going with the new summer time and see what happens.
Yeyee for babyWooly champion sleeper, gives us all hope.
london nice to see you here, hope all is well over in fbland
angelico and wooly not looking forward to the poo...
dp and dd have cooked Easter brunch, off to celebrate now.
have a good day all

DuPainDuVinDuFromage Mon 01-Apr-13 07:59:20

Hi everyone, and Happy Easter! Glad things are going well. Celestia - hope everything is ok at the appointment.

It's interesting how weaning works differently for different babies! DD has only had fruit and veg so far (not 6 months until next week) and really grabs and gulps the things she likes! She's not keen on carrot, and the apples I pureed seem to be too tart, so she does really funny faces and squeezes it all back out of her mouth!

We didn't need to worry about the effect of the clock change on her routine because she refuses to conform to any kind of routine, and I'm too disorganised to do the same thing every day anyway blush Whoever it was who said babies who sleep well early on will continue to sleep well was talking through their arse - those 11-hour unbroken nights are a distant memory now! I have left DH and DD asleep in our bed after she woke up at 6 for milk, and DH complained that I was "putting too much pressure" on him because I attempted to get him to agree on a birthday present for his mum and check delivery timescales (she lives abroad) before we actually miss her birthday angry. I would just let him completely forget but mil is too nice for that!

Right, better get on with ordering stair gates and socket covers...

RunningOutOfIdeas Mon 01-Apr-13 22:22:20

Well done babyWooly. Hope the long sleeps continue. DD2 is a pretty good sleeper. Last night I only had to go into her once and give her a dummy. She does not usually need feeding over night but occasionally she decides that 3 or 4am is a good time to start her day. DD1 didn't consistently sleep through until she was 2. I am so glad I have a better sleeper this time.

Weaning is going well. I am mostly buying purees here. There is a bigger choice than uk supermarkets and it is just easier for me at the moment. I gave her a piece of cucumber to suck yesterday which she enjoyed.

slightlyroundthebend Mon 01-Apr-13 22:32:33

Hello all will do proper catch up later but just wanted to check in.

Has everyone had a lovely Easter? It was my bday on Saturday, I had a lovely day after waking up feeling quite down. Me hubby and little'un went into Durham for lunch then mosied along to the cathedral and then along by the river, came home and did some baking while ds watched fascinated! Sunday was day with pil who are quite religious so a big deal I'm not but was good to catch up with bro and sis in law. And today I found out hubbies best friend got engaged last night, my besty git engaged last week! Must be something in the air! So really all is good at mo.

Weaning is going well still on mush but offering finger foods just a bit scared hell choke a bit eeek!

Right must dash but hope everyone is ok...will read back in night walking!!!

hufflepuffle Tue 02-Apr-13 10:50:56

Hi! I'm not lurking. I promise!! Fully intend to try to keep up but I've just been so busy. I came back to read and post but have to fly. Just wanted to reply quickly to Celestia

Apologies to butt in as I don't know your history. But I've got a great big breast lump. Been to clinic. Called a galactocele. A type of cyst containing milk. There were several mums with babies at clinic. Apparently is extremely common with new mums. I've had it drained a few times. They are just monitoring. Waiting for the appointment and having the scans was hell.

Just wanted to throw that in. I did not know such problems existed for new mums. I had myself diagnosed with the worst. In my experience appointments for breast checks come through quickly. Hopefully they see you soon and hopefully it is some kind of cyst

Hugs.

Sorry to post and run

Xx

Cavatina Tue 02-Apr-13 17:59:56

aaaghrrr not getting much sleep here! also babyCava very fussy on the breast what is going on! feeding for 5 min during the day, but making up for it during the night, every two hours hm..milk supply all over the place seriously looking forward to full on weaning when she hits 6 months as I think it would be easier to have some sort of time table of meals. We have been feeding on demand, so not sure how the transition works, anyone has an idea?
hope you having a better day!

Celestia Tue 02-Apr-13 20:44:05

Thanks huffle. I've been desperately scouring mn for exactly those kind of stories, so thank you smile. My appointment is on Monday. Dh has booked the day off work, dd1 is going to mil's and my parents are having the twins.

Well weaning is a mixed bag. Dtd is lapping up the baby rice (soooo cute, she's like a little kitten!) so going to start her on pear tomorrow but dts is totally freaked out! Today we didn't even get the spoon to his mouth before he gagged then vomited hmm. Slowly does it, slowly does it. I'm half tempted to go down the blw route with him but he just doesn't seem interested in food AT ALL plus he can't sit unaided plus he's never put any object in his mouth so it doesn't look good yet grin.

cavatina I bf my dd1 and found that if I wasn't careful, she'd snack through the day and then, as you say, make up for it at night. I remember not having a feeding routine for her until I weaned her at 6 months but I would try not to let her snack during the day. I knew she could easily go 3 hours between feeds so tried to keep that in mind. It definitely helped!

Angelico Tue 02-Apr-13 23:50:33

Happy Easter peeps smile Quick post as away from home. The bean does not like mashed banana in purees (although will eat whole banana as finger food) and also dislikes yoghurt (gave a comedy whole body shiver at the tartness grin). Poops have settled thankfully - down to one a day!

smile4me Wed 03-Apr-13 06:54:09

Interesting you say your beans have increased poo frequency on solids Angelico and wooly , no poo here now for 4 days (an unheard of occurrence in the smile household, we normally get 2-3 a day) and the last one was particularly explosive and car seat destroying!

celestia I have a friend with boy girl twins, now 7.5m, dtd... grabbing food and eating well since 5.5m, dts not really all that interested still, not grabbing at spoon, really has to be encouraged to eat, so interesting that yours seem to be showing the same thing! smile Hope all goes well with your check up too

cava hope your nights are improving, ors have also gone to pot recently, mainly thanks to rolling, but DD also just unusually grumpy. Blaming wonder weeks (although we usually hit those a week early as she was a week late, but still nice tohave something to pin it on!)

Well so far we have done carrots, broccoli, zucchini, chicken pie, mince, pasta and roast chicken and potato, and a taste of cheese today. Yoghurt was not nice apparently! Will try it again though smile She's so interested in food and gets very toey if we eat without giving her anything. It's quite inspiring really smile

Angelico Wed 03-Apr-13 20:46:39

We had our first overnight poo for 4 and a half months last night and it was a corker! confused Smile what did you do with the chicken pie / roast chicken / pasta? Did you just kind of mash it up a bit? DD has had mashed potato, veg and pea and some bread and crumpet to gnaw on but no meat or pasta yet.

smile4me Wed 03-Apr-13 21:24:09

Oh no to overnight poos confused ! angelico I helped her with some of the smaller bits in the pie, shredded the chicken a little so it was easier to gum up. Pasta mainly got played with but a couple of big chunks went in and were chewed up. Lots comes back out after a few mins but that's ok cos she's getting the taste and texture to experiment with! Bread is a bit tricky, goes all claggy in the mouth. TBH the thing she seems to have enjoyed eating most was the tractor flyer that arrived yesterday...

Angelico Wed 03-Apr-13 21:35:52

Well smile you are making me brave enough to experiment with some meat smile I found crumpet was good for DD - it's kind of firm enough to hold its shape if you cut a stick of crumpet but soft enough to be gummed and swallowed. Also bread dipped in my dad's homemade leek soup was a surprise hit smile

RunningOutOfIdeas Wed 03-Apr-13 22:16:13

DD2 slept through last night. DD1 didn't - she has a wobbly tooth and is worried about when it will out. One day I will get a full nights sleep again...

Angelico you are being much braver than me with weaning. Apart from cucumber, DD2 has only had purees. I will try her with some pasta next time I have some. She is dairy intolerant so cheese sticks, which were a hit with DD1, are off the menu. She has had chicken purée so I could try a lump of chicken.

Mmm poos. DD2 is on Nutramigen which causes more frequent green smelly poos. Weaning is actually an improvement! She does one with her morning milk and one most afternoons, usually when some one else is holding her. And as I type this, the morning poo has just appeared.

slightlyroundthebend Thu 04-Apr-13 08:53:50

Morning everyone, I think I need to go back to bed and get out the other side....feeling very irritable today wonder if illusive period is coming?

Well I thought I was doing good with weaning, was planning on combining blw and mush. Ds was doing well and stealing bits of my lunch to then mil hit with nasty comments first was that she was glad it was me feeding him because she wouldn't give him a carrot stick because he'll choke. I let this pass. Then last night she asked how he was getting on and I said good but that he seemed to enjoy my lunch more than his and she gave me a lecture about how I'm rushing him and purees get his digestive system isn't ready for solids blah blah blah. I was speechless which is just aswell because if I could of talked a few choice words about whose baby this is and to Fuck right off would of come out. However I now have niggles, not about him digesting food but choking sad Humph confidence gone :'( stupid mean woman. So how are you feeding crumpets, pasta etc us it baby pasta?

Also on a rant she commented on sunday how ds us Methodist on sunday when his uncle was teasing him with a beer bottle.....errrrr excuse me?! Did ds tell you this because I'm not religious and ds will choose for himself when he is old enough!!! Argh argh argh!!!

Oh defo wrong side of the bed haha feeling daunted by parenting today wish mine were still around for guidance :'( think I may gave to call round and see my mum's bestie for some cuddles :'(

Angelico Thu 04-Apr-13 09:08:53

Slightly I don't know the history with your MIL but ignore her on the weaning stuff. I have found purees helpful for teaching her to move food round in mouth and swallow. With the bread etc DD just gums through it till bits break off and she can swallow them. She did have a scary moment with a piece of banana where she managed to bite off a bit and swallow it and needed a pat on the back. But she's also choked on purees too so as long as you're with your DS he'll be fine smile Rant on here but smile sweetly and point out that the guidance may have changed a bit in the last 30 years...wink

RunningOutOfIdeas Thu 04-Apr-13 12:25:48

Slightly I can only sympathise with you on the MIL problem. With DD1 my MIL came out with the full series of classics - from "put a bit of honey on her dummy" (DD was about 4 weeks) to "she will choke" to "dairy intolerant? What a load of nonsense". DH now thinks he survived childhood in spite of his mother rather than because of her.

I read some where recently that babies gag reflex is further forward in their mouth than ours. So they will gag more easily but it teaches them the right size of food to swallow and reduces choking.

slightlyroundthebend Thu 04-Apr-13 16:18:41

Angelico and running thanks for the support. As a rule I get on well with mil its just the last few meetings she's been irritating as hell before recently shed always kept her opinions to herself. I don't mind, in fact I welcome advice but feel like she's judging me as a mum ds is my first so it's hard enough!

Feeling bit happier now maybe just tired and hormonal!

turnwest Thu 04-Apr-13 19:29:26

Hi, does anyone mind if I join in? I was on antenatal and earlier postnatal threads a little but have nt posted for a while.

slightly I m worried about Ds choking as well but he seems to prefer finger foods to purées so I m persevering, have mainly tried fruits and veg. His favourite so far seem to be broccoli, tomatoes cut into quarters and sticks of cucumber. Did nt think much was going in but his poos have dramatically changed so he must be eating more than we thought.

running my lo is dairy intolerant too, I m gutted because dairy formed a large part of my Dd s diet when I weaned her 5 years ago.

smile4me Thu 04-Apr-13 20:51:27

Hi turnwest glad to see you're still around smile Have tried DD with broccoli, she just thought it made a great toy to hit the table with grin

smile4me Thu 04-Apr-13 20:58:37

slightly I'm lucky as my SIL did BLW with her DS2 so already had changed her mindset.And she's pretty cruisy anyway. Had similar suggestions though about honey to help with reflux confused and just smiled sweetly!

Cavatina Fri 05-Apr-13 11:34:21

quicl hello everyone, still away from home so no internet. you guys having exciting time weaning!
I don't have PIL, they both passed away few years ago. I miss not having them around tbh, but I am aware in some families it is not an easy relationship to manage, particularly where grandkids are concerned. My strategy would be to ignore the unhelpful advice and take advantage of free babysittingwink (probably easier said than done).
No sleep improvement here, I am totally exhausted and looking forward to going home to some sort of lose routine. I was planning to visit my parents they live abroad, but not so sure now seeing how unsetled she is away from home, although it isunlikely this will impove before she is older I guess..
wish you all a good weekend
xx

woundbobbin Fri 05-Apr-13 13:49:15

Hello everyone. We have been away but it was a bit disastrous dd not a fan of the travel cot we ended up coming back early as we were all to tired for it to be worth it!
Weaning going ok dd much preferring finger food to mush - I toasted her some bread fingers which she demolished along with some Edam she was less fond of the cucumber & banana (clearly inherited my love of carbs & cheese)
Is anyone else who is currently ebf going to add in formula? It's not top of my list but I was hoping to go to a hen party in June and would need to leave formula (I can't express enough) any advice would be great dd has never had a bottle so I'm not sure how it will all work!
I'm not a big fan of my MIL but just tend to ignore her! Luckily I've an amazing mother couldn't have got through the last 6 months without her! grin

Thechick Sat 06-Apr-13 03:50:28

Hello all. LO woke up at 1 for a feed and I haven't been able to get back to sleep. I have a bit of a cold and I'm just feeling a bit off. I never ever get ill, but the past couple of weeks I've been feeling a bit run down. I'm on weight watchers as well, not sure if that's got anything to do with it. I might be making wrong choices, but I am having lots of fruit and veg.
Wound now that H has hit that magical 6 month mark I'm a lot more relaxed about the formula. Im still bf and want to continue for as long as we both want to but if I did have to go out, I wouldn't mind as much as I would have a couple of months ago. You might be able to skip the bottles all together and just go for a sippy cup. I'm not sure which to recommend as I'm still trying to find one that suits my LO.

slightlyroundthebend Sat 06-Apr-13 08:10:25

Morning all.

Well after having 5 lovely night with just one waking around 3am he went back to every hour again last night confused I'm praying its a one off and will go back tonight.

I fear I've painted mil in very bad light, we get on really it's just the last few meetings she's been very prickly my dh has told me to just ignore which I am but I'm easily irritated at the mo hahaha. My own parents have passed away and I miss them massively at the mo the stuff I'm doing with pil I wish I was doing with my own parents and I think mil sometimes forgets she isn't my mother which is lovely but suffocating on occasion. So I talk to my mum's best friend who has become my surrogate mum if you know what I mean.

Any good plans for the weekend? It's lovely here today so I'm going for a run when hubby us home from work....signed up for great North run so need to get started again! Then tonight my hubbies bestie and fiancee are coming for a meal to celebrate their engagement!!! So chuffed for them, that's 3 sets of friends engaged now so better get this body wedding out
fit ready!!!!

thechick sympathies bout not sleeping typical isn't it, I've never done WW as I have absolutely no self discipline when it comes to food but my friend is doing well she is however taking vitamins along side maybe you need a duvet day to recharge your batteries. My god I'd kill for a spa day!

wound I stopped bf at around 4 months due to being pretty consistently poorly with tonsilitus, conjunctivitis, cold blah blah and just needed help from dh that first bottle of formula was horrible but I feel less guilty now. 6 months is,amazing! Wish I could of done as long if you don't need or want to do formula I'd stick with booby but that's just me formula takes too much organising on days out Hahahaha

On another note sex drive us still here (what the?) Hubby can't believe his luck! Think physically and somewhere in my subconscious I must be ready to get back in the saddle so to speak! Or maybe it's cos ds is sleeping better?

Oh well that's another babble isn't it!! Happy weekend!

Thechick Sat 06-Apr-13 11:03:10

I'm tired. Dh and dc are going to be spending a lot of time together today.
LO fell asleep during feeding him solids ths morning. It was very strange. Have any of you guys experienced this?

RunningOutOfIdeas Sat 06-Apr-13 12:36:08

Hello all. I hear rumours that the UK weather might improve over the next couple of weeks. I really hope so. I will be back in the UK next weekend. I find it much harder to get over jet lag when I'm cold. I think my body tries to hibernate.

Woundbobbin if you have never used bottles, your DD might object to a bottle more than the formula. I suggest trying a couple of times with bottles and, if not successful, try a cup instead. A Doidy cup works for many.

Now I have a question for anyone that is formula feeding. How much are your DC having? DD2 has been drinking 5 180ml bottles per day. In the last few days this has dropped a little so it is more like 4.5 bottles. However I think DD1 used to drink more than 180ml in each bottle.

woundbobbin Sat 06-Apr-13 13:19:54

Thanks for the advice re formula - running I think she might reject a bottle today she point blank refused to be spoon fed so imagine she may not take well to a bottle - she has sips of water out of a cup so maybe I could just use that?
Slight It's very nice of you to say bf for 6 mths is an achievement it's more or less the 1st positive comment I've had am mainly being told I must start leaving dd ( for my own good apparently) I certainly don't think you've anything to feel guilty about formula is not a class A drug! Frankly I think we all deserve a medal for keeping these small people alive for 6 mths! - hope you had a good run I'm finding it quite hard to get back up to fitness was also thinking of entering something so id have something to train for! I am very very slow at the moment but on a day like today do really enjoy a run round the park!
Hope everyone has a lovely weekend!

woundbobbin Sat 06-Apr-13 13:22:08

Ps does anyone have any ideas of finger foods for breakfast - dd will pick up porridge from her tray but won't let me spoon fed - the porridge goes everywhere and I'm running out of clean clothes!

Celestia Mon 08-Apr-13 20:55:29

Sorry just a quick message as I'm exhausted but wanted to let you know that my appointment went well today and it was just a fatty lump smile. Oh the relief! I'm feeling very very lucky indeed tonight. Thanks for the message smile.

Thechick Mon 08-Apr-13 21:28:35

That's great news Celestia

slightlyroundthebend Tue 09-Apr-13 03:45:28

celestia that's wonderful news.

Very quiet on the thread again, ds full of cold so guess that makes me up all night.

Got our place starting waterbabies in May does anyone else go, I think we'll be the oldest in the class but think it's important he knows how to swim.

Cavatina Tue 09-Apr-13 08:43:22

good morning lovelies, we are finally home, nice to have internet again smile
celestia excellent news!
hi turnwest
chick fell asleep during solids? hmm re ww, make sure we eat enough as you are still bf! I am considering joining as still struggling with weight, it os quite depressing really, 5kg to go to pre-pregnancym the worst thing is that I lost it all when lo was 3months old but then tiredness from sleepless nights cought up with me and the only way to keep going is eating a lot, incl lots of carbs as much easier to cook when tiredm and cakes etc. will be a struggle to wean meself grin as I enjoy my sugar fix!
wound I would not worry about giving formula, after all diary is ok after 6 months, but I second running bottle more likely to be the problem , it is in our house, S I am hoping to move to cup, hopefully would be ok. re: breakfast finger food, this would be challenging no? cheese toasties? feta filled filo pastry fingers? french toast? croque monsieur (not sure about the ham..)..not sure this is suitable, have not read enough about blw... we make it up as we go along..
slightly just googled great north run, wow! respect for training for it!
we have not done any swimming yet, my RL friend told me she paid for the water babies which was fun, but he did not really learn to swim ( too young she thought) so she had to have to pay again when her ds was 6yo to teach him to swim. However, I think it is important to take them swimming as it is fun, and they get used to water. We have not done it yet as have been doing baby yoga, sensory etc so a bit too much, and the weather does not inspire me to get wet sad but now it is getting better (running I think we still far from sitting under the tree feeding our los in uksad but it is getting warmer,if still wet!) I hoe I can get organised.
hm is is a long post, better get on with unpacking while everyone still in bed. Do you find it difficult to stay in bed in the morning now it is light at ungodly hour? I know I moan about the winter but not sure about the whole BST...
have a nice day all! x

woundbobbin Tue 09-Apr-13 09:59:04

That's brilliant news celestia grin
Slightly I have a number of friends who really rate water babies - I think it's mainly about getting them used to the water rather than teaching them to swim but regardless I expect you will have a great time initially dd used to frown at me when we went swimming now she splashes around arms & legs like a windmill grin

lisbethsopposite Wed 10-Apr-13 00:24:24

Found you. Marking spot.

slightlyroundthebend Wed 10-Apr-13 20:17:58

Urgh, shit night last night, shit day of crying and clingy and grumpy today and so far shit night tonight......very near end of tether Urgh

woundbobbin Wed 10-Apr-13 20:51:41

Feeling your pain slightly - have not had more than 90mins sleep in a row for almost 2 weeks now - utterly exhausted caught sight of my face in dd's mirror on her play mat today I think I've aged 10 yrs! <appreciate this doesn't make things better for you but just wanted you to know your not alone>

slightlyroundthebend Wed 10-Apr-13 21:14:43

wound it's a relief that I'm not alone still wishing you a good night tonight. I'm starting to get paranoid and wonder of something is wrong, not teeth or cold but like ADHD or similar god he's hard work at the min! If I could just get a few hours hahaha (hysterical laugh) haha

woundbobbin Wed 10-Apr-13 22:49:25

I'm with you! Have been wracking my brain to what I've done "wrong" am I drinking to much caffeine? Am I eating to many carbs? Is she over stimulated or understimulated! I was with a friend this week who's 4mth old dd sleeps 10pm til 7am without fail this magical child fell asleep on the floor while I was there (I nearly cried with jealously) - I'm irrationally angry at dh because he fell asleep on the bus on the way home from work I'd love to fall asleep on the bus!

Cavatina Wed 10-Apr-13 23:46:15

slightly wound same here... thought it was because we were away etc, but home now and pretty much up every hour, + catnaping 20min max during the day, and even pram not working anymore, so she must be tired! Went for a walk with a friend today, her lo slept for 2h while babyCava chatted and the then screamed herself to sleep at the end of the walk as we approached home..I cannot function at all, nearly set the house on fire today as forgot I was cooking! wtf? I get so stressed in the evening I dread going to bed. I had a major meltdown last night and we decided to move her to her room at the weekend. not sure whether this will help but worth a try me thinks.. hope the sleep fairy will visit us all tonight..

Thechick Thu 11-Apr-13 04:57:46

My LO is sleeping badly too. Not sure if its the solids. He has a little cough and has had that for just over a week or it might be teeth. I mean he wasn't an amazing sleeper to begin with but we did get into a pattern of two or three wakes now its at the most every two hours. DH is trying to help but I'm still up a lot at the moment. Cava let us know how moving her to her room goes. We were supposed to do this Easter weekend but the wakings just got so bad. And yes, he fell asleep whilst eating. I didn't even think he was tired. You get extra points with ww because of bf but I think I might have been making the wrong choices. Feel so much better now though. Just tired.

slightlyroundthebend Thu 11-Apr-13 08:47:52

cava ds is in his own room now has been for about a month or did make a difference for all of us, now we're back into hell nights though hmm but it's worth doing. We moved hom after dh and I had a spectacular fight and I realised we needed some "us time" and a place that we could both relax. It's helped our relationship no end smile

wound I know you rack your brain don't you! I think maybe I need to stop analysing and just accept that he's a baby and he's learning so he's bound to be grouchy, but my god it's hard work.

chick I'm glad your feeling better even if a bit tired. I hope we all turn a corner and this eternal winter ends soon a bit of sunshine and outside time in warm weather would be lovely.

Over and out.

turnwest Thu 11-Apr-13 09:33:30

Hi everyone

celestia great news that your ok, must be a huge relief.

We re having sleeping problems here too slightly and he a being a complete pain in the arse in the daytime too, he seems to get bored so quickly and although I m trying different things with him it's hard work, he s so grumpy! Think it must be teething.

How's weaning going for everyone? It's ok here although most food seems to end up on him or the floor!

Supposed to be warmish this weekend, I ve bought Daniel some bright yellow shorts for the beach. Hope it's warm enough to try them out. Mmh maybe I m being a little too optimistic but you never know... !

woundbobbin Thu 11-Apr-13 19:22:53

Just want to wish everyone a good night tonight! Last night was a mare for us so hoping for better tonight.
It's very reassuring that we all seem to be in the same boat - the advice re sleep always seems extremely one way or the other either "when my dc was 5wks I put him in a bucket in the garden and let him cry until he slept you have to show them whose boss" or "i go to bed at 7 with my dc and we cuddle all night and he sleeps lovely" it's nice to know other people are trundling along like we are at a loss to what more than 2 hours sleep feels like!!
We put dd in her own room at 4mths she was getting disturbed by dh snoring we have a very small house so i wasn't to worries didn't make her sleep any better hmm
Good luck tonight everyone!

Cavatina Thu 11-Apr-13 20:50:28

haha wound the bucket scenario so tempting right now! Just to report that babyCava had pretty quiet day with two 2h naps at home (8-10 & 2.30-4.30) which has never happened, nothing I have done differently....I managed 45min snooze this pm amaaazing! Pretty sure one off though as she is now in her cot with no sign of settling.
Wishing all a good night as well!

RunningOutOfIdeas Thu 11-Apr-13 21:14:43

Hello All. Friday is my last day in Oz. We leave tonight. It is 6am here. DD2 stirred an hour ago but resettled with a dummy. I was tired last night so went to bed early and as a result I am now wide awake when everyone else is sleeping.

I can sympathise with all of you struggling with sleep but I have no solution. DD1 was a terrible sleeper as a baby. She did not consistently sleep through until she was 2. I often had to resettle her 5 times in a night and when teething + reflux were bad it could 10 times per night. One day I went into work and burst into tears talking to my manager cos I was so tired.

However there is light at the end of the (sleepless) tunnel. DD1 still employs every delaying tactic going around bedtime but she sleeps really well. Before DD2, I was often getting lie-ins until 8.30 or 9 am at weekends. Many of DD1's friends who were better sleepers as babies still come bouncing into their parent's room at 6 or earlier at the weekend.

It is hell being sleep deprived (the UN list it as a form of torture) but you may end up with a really good sleeper. DD1 is also clever, funny, has lots of friends, good fun to be with.

DD2 is a much better sleeper and I cannot say why. I don't think I have done anything differently. Does this mean she has some new hell lined up for me in years to come?

I hope the UK weather really does improve from this weekend, for my own purely selfish reasons! DD1 was crying yesterday saying she didn't want to go home and get cold. Hmmm, perhaps when singing her praises above, I should have also mentioned that she is a drama queen...

Hope you all get a better night of sleep than the last one.

woundbobbin Fri 12-Apr-13 09:44:46

Running - with dd1 do you wish you'd done anything differently or did she just start sleeping well on her own? I ask because I got myself all in a mess for months that we couldn't get dd to go to bed at a reasonable hour (7) so we tried really pushing her for a few days and the 3 of us ended up miserable! Then a month or so later she just did it on her own and we decided to stop worrying about eating/sleeping etc and just let her do things in her own time without us intervening! So with her currently waking every 90mins / 2hrs a night I just feed her & put her back down and I hope that one day she will just sleep longer (she's never been great but has managed 4/5 hours before). I don't know if I'm being foolish and setting myself up for many years of sleep deprivation or if just letting her do things in her own time is the best course of action?
Ps have a safe trip home! grin

RunningOutOfIdeas Fri 12-Apr-13 10:53:59

Woundbobbin DD1 just gradually started sleeping better. Her reflux improved and she was so active at nursery which helped. Also, she went down to one daytime nap that was a good long one.

The only thing that used to annoy me was the dummy. I was putting the bloody thing back in DD1's mouth so many times. However I think it helped with her reflux and eventually she learnt to put it in herself. I got her to give it up when she was nearly 3 with the bribery of stickers.

DD2 also has a dummy. She was starting to suck her thumb and I wanted to discourage that because you can always throw dummies away.

Cavatina Fri 12-Apr-13 17:56:49

Hello and happy Friday. we had a better night but still three hours sleep for me as I am too tired to fall asleep after the 2am feed (she woke up at 6 for the day so not too bad). My two pennies worth: with ds and dd1 (both bf intil 4m then topping io with formula intil 6m) I had a very strict routine from the very beginning and ds slept 9pm-6am since 4mo, dd1 from 6 weeks. Both happy babies and todlers with 12h sleep until hit teenage and then cannot get them out of bed for love nor money. With dd2 decided to do feeding on demand (partially as it was easier while recovering from elcs) and go with her timing, she used to do chunks of 3-4-3h sleep a night until a month ago and then gradually got worse. Pediatrician advised (during 3m check up) to strech feeds (4h between), stop feeding at night and start weaning at 17 weeks but I felt is too early. So I am not sure whether babyCava's sleep is a result of the no routine route or it is just the baby she is, they are all different. However, the sleep deprivation is getting to me, it affects our relationship and I feel I am not coping, I suffered from (reactive) depression in the past and sometimes when overtired can feel it creeping on me. So for the sake of my sanity I decided to start introducing a feeding routine to coinside with the weaning (as they need more time to digest anyway) and I think she is at the right age, I can see her learning very fast presently so fingers cross..
Sorry long post, rambling brain tired
running hope you had a safe and easy journey home

woundbobbin Sat 13-Apr-13 09:46:06

Hello happy weekend all.
Interesting to hear your experiences. Running we've never used a dummy not because I've anything against them I tried in the early weeks (when dd would literally cry all night ) but she just spat it out so I stopped trying although a friend more recently told me you have to push & push to get them to take it.
Cava - it's funny with routine I tried initially with dd but gave up when I realised she was much happier doing everything on demand - but I'm also really suffering with the sleep deprivation now - feel like I'm always grumpy with dh am worried it will affect our relationship -
I did read that baby's who don't sleep are often highly intelligent am sure this is rubbish but am currently getting through the nights imagining dd curing cancer or picking up the Nobel peace prize or having a million pound idea that will mean I can retire early!
Have a good weekend all grin

Cavatina Sun 14-Apr-13 21:09:20

good evening all, hope you had a nice weekend, what a lovely Sunday we had- apparently the warmest day since October!
Moving babyCava to her room postponed as dp will be away for the best of next two weeks and I am not doing it on my own!
How are you getting on with weaning?
We are making progress, last few days she has been having lunch and tea and really enjoying it. Most popular seems to be pair pear and avocado with baby rice. Not too keen on mango or papaya, which is disappointing (as mummy gets to finish the leftover but no excuse to buy anynlonger..) Will try dry apricots as they are reach in iron and calcium. I am a bit worried though whether she is getting enough milk, I have not dropped feeds (and she is still feeding during the night despite best but not very successful efforts to stretch it).
woundbobbing grin may be they will cure cancer!
BabyCava now sound asleep since 7.30. I am planning a dreamfeed at 11ish (if she can make it that far) and see what happens.
Have a good night all

RunningOutOfIdeas Mon 15-Apr-13 02:24:48

Oh the joys of jet lag! DD2 has been awake for the past 2 hours. Just got her back to sleep. She did the same on Saturday night and then woke again at 4am. I went to bed at 8pm, straight after getting DD1 to sleep. It is times like this I really miss having DH here to help. 6 more weeks until he is home.

So pleased the weather was good on Sunday. Getting outside in the sun should help the jet lag.

slightlyroundthebend Mon 15-Apr-13 15:31:13

Hello everyone, welcome home running.

Just a quick one, ds still not fab sleeping. He tricked us going from 7pm till 3am without a peep on friday night fab fab fab, but sat and last night back to every couple of hrs, makes it all the more frustrating as I know he can do it! Argh pass the vino!

cava weaning going ok, still feel bit daunted by portion size and is he getting the right nutrients?? The sure start said to give him some vitamin drops which I have.

Quick question for formula feeders, have you/are you switching to follow on milk? Do you wean from one to another?

Very quiet again on here....must try to post more often smile

woundbobbin Mon 15-Apr-13 20:45:50

Hello everyone.
Glad your home ok running sorry re the jet lag.
We are still in a sleepless hell! Took dd to my parents last night so dh could get a full nights sleep - I slept in a double bed at mum & dads with dd it was amazing she went from 10pm to 7am only waking at 3.30 for a half hour feed. Back home tonight and feeling hmm as she has been screaming for ages and we can't get her to go down and I no I'm in for a long night and I'm dreading it!
Weaning is a bit hit and miss sometimes she eat everything in front of her other times it all goes on the floor. Yoghurt is definately her favourite she would eat her own weight in yoghurt. She has got shocking diarrhoea though and her skin is so sore (not helping with the sleeping) poor little thing don't no if its the food or teeth causing it just hope it sorts out soon.
Sorry for the super moany post grin

woundbobbin Mon 15-Apr-13 21:06:54

Just to counter my very moany post I have now got dd to sleep by repetitively humming old macdonald to her. Song is now stuck in my head for all eternity! Am humming away like a modern day child catcher! grin

RunningOutOfIdeas Tue 16-Apr-13 02:54:24

Wound when DD1 was about 6 months I started giving her cheese and yogurt and she developed eczema in the creases of her arms and legs and around her neck. At 7 months we started giving her cereal with ordinary cows milk and she had horrendous diarrhoea. She was dairy intolerant. It took about 5 days of no dairy for the diarrhoea to stop.

Weaning was going really well with DD2. In Oz she was eating plenty but clearly prefers sweet things. Now we are home, eating has also been affected by jet lag, I think. Most meals she only has 3 or 4 spoons of purée. So she has gone back to wanting milk in the middle of the night.

I will be going back to work from May so DD2 will be going to nursery. She will have some settling in sessions over the next 2 weeks. I have no idea how they are going to go. DD2 is usually happy to be held by others and was even ok with my 9 year old niece giving her a bottle. However I am the only one who has put her down to sleep recently and obviously I provide all comforting when there are tears. She will be going to the same nursery that DD1 went to and I thought they were great with her but it is still going to hard to hand DD2 over to them.

milkyman Tue 16-Apr-13 14:19:17

marking place

Cavatina Tue 16-Apr-13 18:07:34

helloo lovelies, hope you are enjoying the warm weather.
running welcome home, hope jetlag gets better, I pretty much feel jetlagged all the time due to sleep deprivation.. it is lovely you have a nice nursery lined up, I am sure your dd will be fine, babies learn so fast!
wound hope sleep gets better, it is quite normal she sleeps well when bed sharing, it is the same here but I am trying to discourage it.. I would chech with GP re: skin and tummy upsed as it does sound like dairy intolerance- could be right pita as only way to know as rinning said is exclude completely from diet and it is a big food group. I think most grow out of it, and often goat milk and sheep milk are ok.
slightly we are bf but I read you can just move to follow on milk, although some mums dispute the necessity/ think it marketing etc (is it more expensive?). I use Hip organic first milk to mix her baby rice because I bought a box ages ago and might as well use it (too much faff to express..)
rant allert
read on one of the weaning websites that bf babies still wake up for night feeds after 6 months but is wrong to wean them so they can sleep at night as depriving them of milk etc. On the other hand official advice to bf until 6 months. them what?? so wtf is one supposed to do?? it is ok for mums to suffer from sleep deprivation? dp told me to stop reading as it only causes more stress, he might be right..I stopped bf ds&dd1 when they were 5months old and they had formula. Did not do them any harm.
sorry had to get it off my chest.
Getting harder to put babyCava to bed as still daylight at 7.30.. am contemplating getting a blackout blind, do you have one? what is best place to get it?

woundbobbin Tue 16-Apr-13 19:58:40

Hi everyone
Cava I expect your dh is right to say stop reading - as was pointed out down the thread sleep deprivation is a form of torture - i would do whatever works (I bought a Winnie the Pooh light projector off amazon today on the basis that 5 reviews said their babies slept with it - I'm desperate) I was thinking of seeing if I could get dd to take formula at 10pm to try and get more sleep - might put some whiskey in it to!
Running I do not envy you going back to work I'm not going till September and am already dreading it - I'm sure your dd will be more than fine (as will mine when I go back) .
Thanks for advice re ?food intolerance I rang the HV today she said I'm giving the wrong food and to cut out all wheat & dairy and just give fruit & veg. She made me feel a bit crap really - I wanted to say this is my 1st baby how the hell am I supposed to no how to wean everything I've given her is under the heading good 1st food in my books - who are you supposed to believe!!! Anyway I will do as she says but dd will be in a mood because she loves toast fingers & yoghurt.

Cavatina Tue 16-Apr-13 20:25:37

wound try this one it has a good printable food diary (I am sad and should get a life) and diagram with suitable foods

www.homemade-baby-food-recipes.com/index.html
DP spent a fortune on Amazon on a mobile with light show and three types of sound, not sure it helps her sleep but keeps her entertained for 20min it also has a remote which is quite cool. I am hoping she will soon learn to operate it herself..
My friend also suggested I try formula but we have not done it yet, are you going to try s dream feed? BabyCava has never taken more than 80ml so not holding my breath but it is worth a try, + dp can do it while I snooze..
I am going back to work in Octob, no child care sorted yet am in denial

woundbobbin Tue 16-Apr-13 22:38:05

Thanks cava will have a good look at that!
I'm sure the light projector won't make the slightest difference but can't help imagining if it works how it will be the best £20 ever spent - sleep deprived people are def an easy target as soon as dd sleeps through I am going to set my mind to developing the perfect sleep inducer I will probably be in a nursing home by then so the millions I make will help fund my care - thinking of a glade type plug in infused with temazepam grin

Cavatina Wed 17-Apr-13 09:02:09

wound genious! it will work in the nursing home too grin

slightlyroundthebend Wed 17-Apr-13 21:31:16

Hahaha wound give me two!!! I still have no idea if the bloody dream sheep really works or not seems to have changeable success rate with ds.

It is windy again tonight but probs worse yet, I'm hoping it doesn't disturb his sleep too much. He's been lovely today but still needed a lot of entertaining and I'm tired.

Oddly ds has started crying when I put him in his high chair??? He's fine in bumbo but high chair is a no no, not sure why maybe he's too little for it still? He's still eating like a trooper. We have a food festival this weekend and I'm hoping to get loads of lovely things to cook up for him I've just blended up some spag bol for his lunch tomorrow so hope he's keen....need to introduce some finger foods though as he gets frustrated not feeding himself and grabs the spoon/ hands in bowl then to head. What is everyone else offering??

Any how here's hoping for good nights all round?

woundbobbin Wed 17-Apr-13 21:35:27

The dream sheep! Brilliant typo grin I'm so sleep deprived if I thought putting a dreamy sheep in dd's room would work I'd do it!

slightlyroundthebend Thu 18-Apr-13 10:00:44

Yey a good night! Down by 8, couple of grumbles. Feed at 11 then at 3 then up at 7 smile definitely an improvement!

Cavatina Thu 18-Apr-13 11:07:47

pass the dream sheep!
slightly yey for improvement! do you use a dummy to settle?
we have been having similar nights lately, even one where she went without feeding from 9 to 4am (but woke up around midnight and settled with the dummy). She is 6 months at the end of this week, so may be she will finally crack the damn night sleep thingy before I cross the line between sleep deprived and depressed..
running an errant in town today and have to take tube with babyCava, no good with pram, has to go in ergo but she is now quite heavy and is killing my back.grrrr
BabyCava now looks at me intently every time I eat something, this morning was having my tea with rich tea biscuit(s) and she had these big puppy eyes, so I gave her one and she was delighted (but dp kicked some fuss about fat sugar etc, must tell him to stop making commens like this if he wants her to grow up with healthy relationship with food. I managed to teach the ohter two that eating everything in moderation is best).
alse have been craving g&t in the evenings now the weather is warmer, wonder whether it is ok to have one hmm Have not had a drink for ages, dont really drink much, but it just feels like something I used to do before the whole baby lark

Cavatina Thu 18-Apr-13 11:11:10

slightly have not done finger food yet apart from the odd bread, and broccoli last nigth she had but not sure much went in.. will start with toast I think, and then pieces of carrot, cucumbef, broccoli, banana.
she just woke uo from 1.5h nap in bednest, yeyeeee! time to get out of my pjs!

slightlyroundthebend Thu 18-Apr-13 12:15:31

cava we don't use a dummy at night (or diggle as I call them) but oddly I tend to during the day, that is unless he's in the buggy or car where he drops of by himself. He's not normally a fan and will fire them across the room or turn it round and chew the hard side!
So I took the tray of the high chair and much less tears and breakfast or porridge and mango demolished!! He tries to steal my biscuits food too so I bought him some baby ones, I'm sure hv would condemn me to hell for this but they dissolve quickly and he smiles when he has one as he's copying his mummy, his hand mouth coordination is really getting good - who said bad sleepers are clever/geniuses?? Haha

woundbobbin Thu 18-Apr-13 13:20:31

I'm going to call my plug in company 'the dream sheep' the plug in's will be in the shape of sheep I think the dragons will be interested or maybe lord sugar!
Slightly I've given dd the following finger foods - toast fingers, bread sticks, fruit & veg sticks avocado carrot parsnip mango baby corn broccoli cauliflower & rice cakes
Cava hope your back survives the tube. It's funny with given nice foods (treats) I want dd to have a good relationship with food I understand why people don't give sugar till they are 1 but I worry if I raise her on sunflower seeds then as soon as she is old enough she will just eat junk!
Glad sleep seems to be improving for everyone - getting a bit better here to had a few nights of 3 hours in a row which is goodgrin

Cavatina Thu 18-Apr-13 21:25:06

hoho managed to outsource babyCava to papa and ventured in town on my own smile back saved + nice to have some time off baby even though was only running errants rather than treating myself which is well deserved and long overdue me thinks (but treated me to guava ripple and hazelnut double scoop ice cream mmmm). waxing my legs is nie considered a treat oh the glamour!
here is to a good nigh sleep hopefully.. proly not in the Cava house as babyCava had a late nap and is now in bed getting herself overtired but will not settle boo

woundbobbin Thu 18-Apr-13 21:40:52

Winnie the Pooh light projector is installed as yet it is about as useful as a chocolate teapot but I live in hope - will report in with its success rate tomorrow!
Wishing everyone a good night!

Thechick Fri 19-Apr-13 06:21:36

Hello all. Hope all is well. We are all good here. Weaning is going well. He has eaten everything we have given him and he is having 2 meals a day. I feel like my milk is going down so I might up my fenugreek intake. He is now in his own room and has been sleeping better but I'm not sure if it is the room or jus H's time. He now is in a pattern of waking twice, apart from today. The room changing was quite an emotional thing for me. With ds1 we co slept for quite some time, it felt like we were chucking him out but its been fine. Part of the deal is dh brings him to me when he wakes and puts him back so I'm sleeping better. We have a dream sheep and it seems to work but only after a feed and if he's kind of asleep, lol. it more keeps him asleep than puts him asleep. I have a question. H is bf and I want to do a clear out of his bottles. He is now using a sippy cup for water for meals. Shall I keep one bottle back just in case I'm not around to feed him or just give everything in the sippy cup.

slightlyroundthebend Fri 19-Apr-13 07:23:15

Urgh rubbish night. Very unsettled and just whimpering :'( we would normally be up by now but I'm trying to help him get some sleep by cuddling. No sign of a tooth, no temperature and less bunged up than he has been for weeks so I don't know what's wrong....cuddles seem to be working. I hope he feels better when he wakes properly as we are supposed to be going to our first musical minis class this afternoon sad

Someone pass a large source of caffeine!!

slightlyroundthebend Fri 19-Apr-13 07:26:46

chick I'd be inclined to keep a bottle just in case and maybe chuck it a bit further into weaning one wouldn't take up to much room. Ds is ff and we have 8!! I'm planning a cull haha smile

Thechick Fri 19-Apr-13 07:58:41

Slightly H is bf and we have too many. He was mixed fed to begin with and had avent ones and then bought nuk as that's what was used at the hospital both silicone and rubber, se we have way too many for a bf baby lol!!

woundbobbin Fri 19-Apr-13 08:29:35

Winnie the Pooh light projector was an epic fail - I ended up having a meltdown in the middle of the night dh ended up on the sofa and dd ended up in our bed hmm
I know nothing about bottles have borrowed some from a friend (mam brand) which may start sticking some formula in but she drinks water well from a sippy cup (nuby) so might just use that.
Am also running behind this am due to rubbish night aiming to get to mother & toddler group this am & am picking up a jumperoo this pm that I got off gumtree ( hoping she will jump herself to a good nights sleep - I'm so desperate grin) enjoy musical class slightly !

RunningOutOfIdeas Fri 19-Apr-13 10:16:24

Love the idea of a dream sheep! Wound sorry sleep is still crap. I had a Winnie the Pooh projector for DD1. Don't think it ever helped her go to sleep but I did find it useful for keeping her amused sometimes.

DD2 seems to have a stomach bug. Since we returned from Oz she has been gradually getting more diarrhoea and refusing food. Yesterday we were at the hospital in the afternoon (to check DD2's hip dysplasia) and I had to change her 3 times in 3 hours. She was also seriously windy. Then last night she threw up an entire bottle of milk. Luckily for me, I had just taken DD2 into the bathroom to run a bath for DD1. So I dangled DD2 over the bath while she was being sick and didn't have too much of a clean up job. She slept ok last night and has kept down most of her milk this morning but is sleepy and miserable when awake. Think we will stay home today and call the gp if she doesn't improve this afternoon.

Thechick Fri 19-Apr-13 20:52:45

How was dd2 today Running?

Cavatina Fri 19-Apr-13 21:13:37

evening all, hope you had a good day-sleeepytime now zzzz zzzzzz zzzzzzz
chick I would keep a bottle because I am sentimental, but I believe there is no going back from the sippy cup (which one are you using? I think I need a bigger one..). I feel my milk gone a bit down too, but I think it is normal no? I am still figuring out how to space the meals so she gets enougg milk, is really hard with bf. Also left boob feels less full than right boob hmm. Fenugreek will proly help but at this point it is supply and demand so may be best to up the bf as well, is what I am doing seems to be working..just an idea.
wound sorry sleep not improving. sounds like you had a busy day fingers cross the jumperoo will exhaust her enough wink
running hope dd2 feels better, hate it when they are unwell and the weekend is looming..
slightly how was musical minis? we have music monkeys in the area but I am not sure what to expect. we do a lot of songs at baby sensory and babyCava really enjoys it.
She is 6 months tomorrow and I feel like celebrating getting through what I think is the least rewarding time - it is so much more fun now even despite the sleep deprivation. Pass the vinogrin!

RunningOutOfIdeas Fri 19-Apr-13 21:15:05

DD2 is not doing so well. She started vomiting even after small sips of water. I took her to the gp and am now trying to get her to drink Dioralyte. She hasn't been sick for 4 hours now but she has only drunk 150ml.

I am going to have her sleeping on my bed tonight so I can keep an eye on her.

Thechick Fri 19-Apr-13 21:28:26

Cava I believe there's no going back from a sippy cup too but H hasn't got the hang of any of them. We have 3. An avent one that has a soft rubber 'spout' an oxo one and a cheep own brand from boots which is free flow. The avent one H is kind of starting to get the hang of sucking. He was sucking it using his tongue like bf to start but is a bit better now. The oxo one is really had to get anything out and the boots one the water comes too quickly some times so I don't let him hold it himself.
Running that's a good start. I'm sure she'll be bouncing around in no time.
I have fallen off the ww watchers wagen big time!! Today is my last day of eating bad food and I'm back on it tomorrow!!

Cavatina Sat 20-Apr-13 04:40:58

haha celebrate who am I kidding. BabyCava clebrated her half year by partying from 1.30 still awake now. She is getting more nocturnal [sigh] I fed, sang, dummy, mobile, she wasnt having any of it. Now in bed with my, papa in spare roon as he is off again tomorrow, feel quite sick but am sure is just tiredness. Hope she turns out a genius or I shall be very cross!!

woundbobbin Sat 20-Apr-13 06:31:28

Morning all - have just come in to feed dd and realised she has been asleep since midnight that's 6 yes 6 hours! (Sorry cava - don't want to show off - but it's been almost 7 mths since I've had that much sleep)
Happy half birthday to baby cava -
Running - how was dd2's night hope you got some fluid into her and you both managed a rest.
Slightly- how was music class it's monkee music or jolly babies round here I've never been (because I spend all my money buying things in the middle of the night - jumperoo) but I've friends who really rate it and dd loves music time at the local playgroup.
Hope everyone has a good weekend and enjoy the sunshine grin

slightlyroundthebend Sat 20-Apr-13 08:26:47

Morning lovelies pass coffee would you?

Tough night again last night hourly screams and very little sleep all round was hoping to feel a little toothypeg this morn but no. Breakfast refused more grumps his little mouth must be sore :'( praying he feels better tonight.

cava musical minis was nice, a bit like baby sensory but this is a different area so different people. I think ds was youngest there but all older kids were so well behaved. Ds managed ok but was plain to see he wasn't feeling well, I will go back next week though.

running how's dd today? Must be very difficult when they are really poorly, I struggle when ds has a cold!

So its food festival today, baker boys and Martin Platt from corrie are doing demonstrations so should be good for a laugh! Suns shining so let's hope ds enjoys it too.

Happy Saturday x

RunningOutOfIdeas Sat 20-Apr-13 09:06:06

Morning all. DD2 was not sick overnight. I managed to get another 100ml of Dioralyte into at 11ish. The nappy I changed this morning was a little fat, unlike the one I changed last night which was dry - there was no wee since the morning. She has also had a little milk this morning. So I hope she continues to improve today.

I have enlisted help from friends today to take DD1 to her dance class and to play later. That is the bit I really struggle with - giving DD1 my time while also dealing with DD2. I burst into tears on the phone to DH last night because i don't feel able to juggle everything well enough.

Cavatina Sat 20-Apr-13 10:16:26

passing brew &biscuit around
rinning you are juggling amazingly well! you organised dd1 to have a nice sociable morning dancing and playing I am sure she will enjoy, while looking after dd2, and she is improving anyway so no need to feel bad! We have to compartmentalise often to be able to survive the whole motherhood lark! Good news dd2 doing better they bounce back pretty quickly.
wound envy for good 6h sleep, well done babyWound! there is hope for us all!
slightly extra brew for you! musical minis sounds like fun, may be I will wait a little for la cava to be a bit older. Food festival sounds great have fun ( and extra cake).
chick respect for even trying to lose weight whilst breasfeeding, I am too tired to contemplate it, cake food only thing keeping me going. I have 5kg to lose to get to pre-preg weight, it will be a struggle I think..
I feel like I have been hit by a truck this morning, and even though the sun is shining outside dont thing will be able to enjoy the day, not looking forward for 10 days of 24h solo care as dp away, hope she stays healthy.
she is surrently in her bednest trying to eat her big toe, no sign of settling for a nap aaarrrgh
more coffee pls!

Thechick Sun 21-Apr-13 06:56:55

Thanks Cava I have about 10lb to lose to get to my pre preg weight and another stone after that would be lovely but not too fussed. I just want to be able to fit into my clothes. I'm fed up of leggings all the time. I have a wedding in June too, so would like to be back to normal by then. Hope everything is okay without your dh.
Hope things are better with your LO Running

RunningOutOfIdeas Sun 21-Apr-13 07:21:50

Morning every one. No vomiting from DD2 yesterday but the diarrhoea continues...

chick and cava pregnancy seems to work wonders for my weight. Both times I have ended up weighing less than before I was pregnant. My problem will be going back to work. I seem to be incapable of sitting at a desk without snacking. It is not helped by the company restaurant selling the best carrot cake.

Cavatina Sun 21-Apr-13 09:02:14

another hideous night here, she was awake and would not settle 1-5am. Am seriosly considering getting radical, moving her to her room in the big cot and starting sleep training. I feel I need to teach her to sleep as current state of affairs is upsetting for all. She also only had two 20min naps yeaterday so I knew I was in for a bad one. She is not unwell, not teething, not sure what causes it. Some nights she will feed to sleep ome she wont. am shattered today and not feeling up to it. no help from anywhere for a week so moral very low sad. sorry for moan
running glad you naking progress, keep her hydreted diarrhoea takes longer to clear ime.
chickknow the feeling have not tried any pre-preg clothes, I fit in my jeans but have been living in the them for 6months now, + two bf tops I bought and this is it pretty much so boring. good job for moving H to his room, I feel the same way about moving her but needs must, will have to do it while papa is away, proly will not make much dif as he does not do night anyway and I am survuving on not much sleep for the last six months
must go and buy babyCava sunhat today, will be te highlight of my day.
time for brew and more [biscuits]

woundbobbin Sun 21-Apr-13 09:05:36

Morning everyone.
We went back to wake ups every 90mins last night hmm currently drinking a vat of tea am going to try and persuade dd to watch the marathon with me!
It was lovely and sunny yesterday we went out I should have had sunscreen, sunglasses & sunhat for dd had none (bad mother) ate x2 Icecreams & had a pint so won't be weighing myself for a few days. Much respect to you guys actively eating properly I keep crashing by the afternoon if I don't have some sugar!
Hope dd2 continues to improve running.
Happy Sunday everyone grin

slightlyroundthebend Sun 21-Apr-13 15:52:20

Another shit night here too, with a drunk husband. So angry today I could be spitting venom! Will explain when i have calmed down a bit.

RunningOutOfIdeas Mon 22-Apr-13 05:37:22

Cava, Wound and Slightly hope you had a better night. Slightly hope your husband has made it up to you.

DD2 decided naps were not required yesterday. She slept for less than 1 hour in total, fell asleep at 6.30pm and has now decided that 4.15am is the right time to start chatting loudly. I am not a morning person, don't know how I am going to cope with this.

woundbobbin Mon 22-Apr-13 09:44:05

We had another night of 2hrly wake up hmm she did go off once on her own with the Winnie the Pooh projector so maybe there is hope for it yet!
Busy day ahead going to nursery rhyme class then out to lunch and for a walk with sil. Will need much coffee & cake to keep functioning - weighed myself this am (inspired by you lot) have only lost 0.1kg since last weigh in which was a month ago (oh dear)
Hope everyone else had a good night & things are better with your DH slightly!
Have a good mondaygrin

Cavatina Mon 22-Apr-13 10:17:38

morning lovelies, just heard on womens hour today is the most likely day women start their "summer bikini diet"! que? not a chance for bikini or diet in casa Cava!
slightly hope husband is making an effort!
running is she feeling better? normal I think to be a bit unsettled after being unwell. I am concidering becoming a morning person hmm I am naturally quite nocturnal but now it is 27/7 anyway so all a big blur!
wound horey for Winnie! sounds like a nice day you have ahead!
no sleep improvement here but I took her in bed with me after the midnight feed so at least feel more rested, will worry about it later!
on a lighter note ds made a delish lasagna and left it on top of the cooker overnight, unfortunately sneaky pussycat1 was hiding under kitchen table and feasted on lasagna all night. so today looking rather smug and nt caring much for breakfast- no kidding! am pissed off as was looking forward to having some for lunch and freezing some for babyCava to give to her in a couple of weeks.
have a good day! xx

slightlyroundthebend Mon 22-Apr-13 14:36:47

Hello ladies am much calmer now, I think along with tiredness everything got on top of me yesterday. Saturday was lovely, we met some friends at food festival after dh finished work, I gave him a pass out so he could stay out for a few beers and really really didn't mind. Sunday morning was supposed to be my sleep in....first in 7 weeks, dh got up and I could hear him trying to sort out baby, baby screaming so sleep in ruined and me up that was start of anger, then no time for bath as dh fuckef off golfing with his dad for the day leaving me with teething child and sheer rage. Being left alone all day made me stew. How come in 2 days he gets beers and golf. I have a massive list of stuff I'd like to do but havent been able to for weeks....sleep in, quiet bath, go for run, dogs to vets, hair cut, go to loo by myself. Don't get me wrong I love love love ds, but also need a bit of "me" time. Not unreasonable.
Anyhow long story short we had a really good talk and he's taking a few days holiday to make up for weekend and to spend some time together. On one hand I feel I overreacted but also if I hadn't said anything it would of brewed into something huge.
cava at least you feel rested that better than exhausted I guess!
wound am sending positive sleep vibes for tonight let's hope light projector kicks in tonight, let me know I may have to purchase one!!

Cavatina Mon 22-Apr-13 17:12:13

slightly I dont think you overreacted. I would have been furious too. My GP recommended at least an hour of me time three times a week, it does not sound like a lot yet I have not been able to do it sad. Hope you get some me time and some quality family time as well.

woundbobbin Tue 23-Apr-13 15:43:09

Hello ladiesgrin
Slightly that sounds like a rotten situation - hope you enjoy DH's days off - its funny isn't it people are very quick to say isn't DH besotted with dd isn't it good that he gets up in the night & changes nappies all true but she is his daughter why the bloody hell shouldn't he do all that - and although he always asks is it ok if he goes out & I always say yes it does get under my skin a bit that I don't have that option - although I suppose in six months time I will. Still to go out for a whole day on your lie in day when baby is teething is a bit much really !
I've done almost nothing today just pottered around - spoke to the HV as dd's diarrhoea is still bad despite no wheat or dairy for a week & her skin is really sore (blistering & bleeding) she said go to the GP they've got no appointments for 2 weeks!
Cava maybe the cat ate the lasagne to stop you from eating it so you could be bikini ready for summer! grin

Cavatina Tue 23-Apr-13 17:37:52

hahaha may be I should appoint him as my nutritionist! Not sure bikini will ever be an option again sad
wound I would kick some serious ass at your surgery, they cannot let a tiny one wait for two weeks with these symptoms! poor lo must be suffering, can tou get an emergency appt? what if she gets dehydrated, or skin gets infected? it must be hard work for you now, yiu are doing what you can but she is not improving so she should be seen pronto.
babCava has been dodging naps and being a fussy eater today, she is now asleep on my bed in a manner of starfish (I was watching her ply with her new doll and gradually dropped of doll on top of her. hm, not looking forward to bed time..

slightlyroundthebend Tue 23-Apr-13 21:25:25

Full of cold :'(

woundbobbin Tue 23-Apr-13 21:59:11

Oh no slightly what a nightmare!
What with baby cava being contrary looks like we are all in for a joyous night!
Dd has been utterly bonkers this evening the 7 o'clock bedtime that we were so proud to achieve last month is long since gone she is back to sitting with us when we have our tea & then on the sofa she was launching herself all over the sofa making weird shouty noises but smiling we couldn't make head or tail of it very strange. Have just fed her to sleep am dreading putting her in the cot because she will wake up and scream so tempting to make self comfy and sleep in the chair with her but not worth the potential head injury!
Fingers crossed for everyone for a good night.

Thechick Tue 23-Apr-13 22:20:40
Cavatina Tue 23-Apr-13 22:43:58

slightly hot bath? cold sucks! brew
wound hope you managed transfer! may be do later bath time if she can stretch it? we do between 7.30 an 8 depending om her naps.
babyCava was fed to sleep and in her bednest at 9. will leave window open for the night as it is 24C in the bedroom way too warm.
BTW took her to the pediatrician for her 6 months check today and asked for advice on weaning. he is quite old school (he suggested staring at 17 weeks if she is ready..) but absolutely brilliant, a bit of a baby wisperer. He said no fish and egg until 8 months but meat (incl lamb) is recommended, also no cow milk (should use stage 3 formula for cooking and bfast porrige/weetabix) until she is one year old but full fat yoghurt is ok. Thankfully as she absolutely luurvs yoghurt.
Anyho, hoping for a restful night for all of us

Cavatina Tue 23-Apr-13 22:58:38

hahaha chick this is more up my street. Love the Rosso Fiorentino drawing, is me two weeks post partum minus the pearls and jewels in hair grin . Wish we were more accepting of our bodies, they perform miracles and serve us well regardless of shape..

Cavatina Wed 24-Apr-13 08:47:20

ok, so babyCava woke up at 4.45(after feed at midnight) and true to my resolution not to feed before 7 I gave water, dummy etc, she would not settle, not cryong just chatting and playing in bed with me; I cavd in and fed her at 5.30 still will not go the sleep so decided whatever, put her in her bednest and cover my head with duvet prepared for the worst, but she went quiet and was asleep within 5min, wtf?? She just woke up bright and full of smiles...Yet when I put her down for her nap yesterday around 2pm and thought she was ready she screamed the house down!
oh well resigned myself to go with the flow (until next sleep deprived night...)
Weather is glorious here, I feel more rested, planning a picnic with her at Regents Park the cherry trees must be in full blossom.
hope you all had a good night!

woundbobbin Wed 24-Apr-13 14:03:40

Cava dd woke at exactly those times last night maybe they have synchronised I fed her at 4.30 (was chuffed to have had 4 hrs sleep) she went straight back down and slept till 8 I even had a cup of tea in bed before she woke bliss!
Am currently having a coffee whilst she bounces around in the jumperoo (dh reckons best 50 quid we ever spent) she loves it is a bit nuts though she grabs hold of the parrot and really shouts at it - its got massive eyes shes always had a thing for big eyed stuff. We are having a silly day ive been making her giggle with epic renditions of circle of life (lion king) & beyonces if you like it then you should've put a ring on it. fingers crossed the neighbours are at work!
Cava hope you enjoyed the park raining here (boo)
Slightly how's the cold?
Chick liked that article
Hope all having a good day.

Cavatina Wed 24-Apr-13 23:21:29

wound sounds like you had a fab day! here is to even better night!
It was lovely in the park but quite windy and I did not think the sun strong enough for me to wear suncream so I managed to burn today and look like the english on hols on the costa brava blush am applying aloe gel every 15min is very uncomfortable.
slightly hope you are feeling better.
It is rain here tomorrow so I am planning a quiet day at home

slightlyroundthebend Thu 25-Apr-13 11:41:53

Hello, slightly less snotty today and quite a good night he didn't settle easily but only one feed smile

Can I ask you lovely ladies about sleep. I still have to either feed or rock, friends have asked what happens if I put him him in the cot semi awake but he cries and cries so I have stuck with rock or feed but he's very heavy now and I'm worried I'll be rocking a 1yr old. I thought I'd be sorted by now :'(

Raining here - I would love some sun, Saturday we had a bit but feel like that's been it this year!

So next Sat (bh weekend) we're all staying at my pil for the night so she can see his routine. 2 weeks after that we are having a night away for our anniversary. I am so excited for a full nights sleep but I'm starting to get a bit angsty about mil and the suggestions she will no doubt give me. Ordinarily I'm open to suggestions but recently I feel like she enjoys pointing out what, in her opinion I'm doing wrong. I am very aware I'm probs over sensitive but still don't want the agro. New quib was when I let ds play with his food and was told o was teaching bad habits....oh Fuck off!

So im looking forward to the weekend day with hubby and ds on Sat and on sunday I'm going riding with my friend. I sold my horse a few months ago as I had no time to give him attention he needed so I'm borrowing my friends and going to blow cob web's! I've ridden and had horses since I was 7 so being horse less is a big adjustment. Can't wait just need good weather smile

Right off to cook crumpets...can ds try crumpets??

Ttfn x

woundbobbin Thu 25-Apr-13 16:04:41

Slightly I've nothing to offer but wanted to say that we are exactly the same as you - at night dd is fed or rocked to sleep in the day it's the car or the pram (she is to heavy to rock in the day) I totally thought we would be past it by now - it's her though she has never settled on her own she just crys and crys - I think these people who say oh just put her down & let her cry she will fall asleep on her own have never had a non sleeping baby!
Oh I was going to ask what do you guys think about early measles vaccination I spoke to the HV she said they are doing it at parent discretion (not helpful)

slightlyroundthebend Thu 25-Apr-13 20:35:00

wound I hadn't even thought about early immunisation ds going to be weighed tomorrow so I'll ask about it. Dh is of opinion that it's at 13 months for a reason but I'll see smile I'm kind of relieved its not just ds that needs help sleeping I was sure I'd messed up somewhere along the line!

Cavatina Thu 25-Apr-13 20:43:25

evening, busy day but more about it later.
slightly great yu are feeling better, and fab you going riding! I dont ride myself but think horses are awesome.
Sleep- babyCava is contrary as you may have noticed. She can self settle but I have not figured out why, it seems pretty random. same experience putting her down for the night, either screams right away or within 5min. I dont rock but feed to sleep. I was hoping she will figure it out but not happening yet. I am inclined to try some form of sleep training, the was a post on this thread a whie ago about gradual withdrawal which I would lie to try now she is old enough but it requires her to be in her own room which has not happened yet. I am also worried that we may miss the window and it would become a lot harder as they get older. Part of me hopes she will get there on her own, I can see her learning so fast presently. these are my thoughts.
pil- smile and ignore if you can, and vent here! and dont doubt youself, you know your lo best. enjoy the weekend away as I am sure you need it and they will look after ds well, he will be safe, it may not be how you do it, but I think it is important they have a relationship, which will be different from yours, I used to let mine (ex pil) to get on with it.
wound I asked the baby wisperer dr about the vaccine during our appt on Tuesday and he said he is reluctant to give before 12-13 months, and we do not have an epidemic here. do you have exposure? if not I would not worry too much about it.
ok, ds making burgers and babyCava waiving hands after 30min feed. Not a chance for a nice hot burger and some vino then, I think I am in for a long night...

woundbobbin Thu 25-Apr-13 21:58:52

With the sleeping I just keep repeating to myself that she will get there on her own - slightly nervous at prospect of rocking a 1 yr old to sleep but fingers crossed it won't come to that.
I've had measles so 100% immunity dh had the MMR so he is covered I think dd gets some cover with the breast milk? We are not far from the South Wales outbreak. I just wanted some clarity from the HV but she just kept saying its up to the parents about as useful as a chocolate teapot!

Cavatina Fri 26-Apr-13 18:57:37

wound our hv are rubbish unfortunately, I dont really bother. Bm shoud give them better immunity. It is a worry but if you are not in conact with the risk age group you should be ok.
My pushchair packed in on Wednesday thankfully few yards from home. pissed off as now stuck at home no car no pushchair and I can only manage the Ergo short distances or bus ride as she is quite heavy. It turns out one cannot just go to a shop and buy one, almost no shop keeps stock, they order and deliver, might a well by online anyway. So new pushchair arriving Wednesday, not sure how will manage until then, dp only back Monday.
BabyCava has been asleep since 4pm, no point to wake her u as she will scream the house down, hm.. we have tiny swimmers taster tomorrow at 10 me thinks may not be a success if we have n eventful night, although she luuurvs the water ...

slightlyroundthebend Fri 26-Apr-13 21:48:50

cava that sounds like sheer hell on earth! We just bought new pushchair and got next day delivery, local mothercare had model but not in colour we wanted. Where are you based again?

wound my hv wasn't there to ask and the Numpty weighing probs doesn't even know what measles are so didn't ask...sorry not much help there am I?

So we attended our second musical minis today, ds feeling much better and laughed all the way through and we got a little t-shirt! Hahaha I'm easily pleased. But shall I tell you what I found utterly amazing? Watching the little 1yr olds running about and interacting with each other. I kept getting a "shit that'll be him soon" feeling the baby is turning into a little boy....I feel sad, but oooh do little people sleep??????????????

Any nice plans for weekend? Dogs to vets, mooch round village and lunch with dh for us I think. Praying for Sun.

X

Cavatina Sat 27-Apr-13 22:11:36

evening!
slightly well done minislightly, getting a tshirt already! may be he will join a band and become famous and then you can retiresmile or win Leeds piano competiton in which case you will be very proud but not able to retire..
I feel the same that they grow too fast, and their little personalities are coming through.. and I think our los will turn into champion sleepers (eventually... this or Nobel prize!)
I live in the rip off capital of the world that is London where every square in is turned into shop space so they dont keep any stock anymore..
which pushchair did you get?
wound how is dd getting on with the poo and skin problems?
My plan for the weekend is to survive on my own, no car or pushchair, ds is away for a week and dp not back intil Monday now, wish me luck..
Managed tiny swimmers thankfully (10am on Sat morning, the things we do for them...) but babyCava was not so sure about the whole experience.. It was not helpful that we were there too early and had go wait, it was very hot and humid and she got hot and bothered before we made it into the pool, I forgot her water so she kept trying to drink the pool haha ! She was not crying but nervous and only relaxed towards the end. Shame as she loves her baths! I am not sure whether to leave it until she is older or persevere, I love swimming and would like her to enjoy it too+it is a skill which can save your life. I am aware she will not learn to swim now but be aware of water and enjoy it. Also she had three hours nap in the afternoon, so for this alone may be worth coughing up the cash grin fingera cross for a good night too..

Thechick Tue 30-Apr-13 05:38:22

Hello all. Just checking in. Hope everyone is good. We are both good, but H has a little cold but is mostly fine. Yesterday he just mostly wanted to eat and sleep. I was a bit ill again at the weekend. I think it is the ww, so I've kind of knocked that on the head and like Cava said, am being more accepting of my body. I'm glad you guys like the article. I just know that if I don't get back to pre preg now it won't happen but if I'm getting ill then it's a no brainier. I've got some high dose bf vits.
Slightly I feed to sleep, H has self settled only a handful of times. I do think that we need to change the sleep association. I want to find some kind of object that he associates with sleep and get dh to take over once he's had a feed. Can pil come to you to see routine as things might be a little different for LO when he's not in his usual environment.

woundbobbin Tue 30-Apr-13 10:03:47

Morning all.
We went away over the weekend with my parents it was so relaxing having them on tap to help with dd. am feeling a bit blue today being on my own again after a bad nights sleep am on a short fuse with dd definately not a good mother today!
Cava I don't normally bother with the HV she last saw dd when she was 8weeks and said following that to only contact if there was a problem - this diarrhoea & measles is the 1st problem I've contacted them for doesn't inspire me to use them again- diarrhoea has eased off now and skin is thankfully improving so will be cancelling the GP appointment.
Nightmare re the pushchair cava hope you are coping!
It's sunny here today am hoping to improve my mood by going out for a bit!

Cavatina Wed 01-May-13 20:48:51

helloo lovelies, it has been madly busy here and I am tired.
chick dont worry about the weight you can always lose it if you put your mind to it! Vitamins will help, I got myself some over the weekend ans it tirns out I am vit D deficient not difficult with the lack of sun for the last year(s).
wound glad dd is getting better, envy for nice weekend with family.
So pushchair arrived this morning, relief! So I am mobile again i time for the nice weather we are having here.
We moved babyCava to her own room and big cot yesterday. I cried. She cried. From 8 to 10pm, Lots of pupd, shushing, cuddling but she finally fell asleep after a quick feed at 10. Woke up 11 and 12 but settled within two min then feed at 4 and slept until 7.30. So I count this as a success. Day two not sure yet, outside her room, she is not asleep yet, we will see. I have mixed feelings but dp is right it will be good for all of us, and in any case no room for the cot on our bedroom so wish me luck Very tired and emotional.
hope sleep is improving all aroung
xx

RunningOutOfIdeas Wed 01-May-13 22:51:59

Evening all. Cava hope the sleeping is going well. Chick my overly drastic method of weight loss has been to have my gall bladder removed! When pg with DD2 it became infected and had small gall stones. So I had to be very careful about what I ate while pg to avoid emergency surgery. I then had it removed in January. Now my guts get their revenge if I eat too much chocolate fat. Hope you get to the weight you want in a nicer way.

The last few days have been very up and down for me. Last Friday I started suffering with a horrible cold, went to my office with DD2 to pick up my laptop and get things sorted for returning to work and it was my birthday which, with DH being away, was a non-event.

Sunday was DD1's birthday party. We did it at a soft play so I only had to bring party bags and cake. I think it went ok. I was really tired by the end if it. Sunday evening DD2 started sneezing. She has caught my cold. Poor thing has been really struggling to settle at night. She wants her dummy but can't breathe through her nose. Monday and Tuesday she was so grumpy each night I was up and down like a yo-yo. She seems to be better this evening.

Today was my first day back at work and DD2's first full day of nursery. I was quite pleased that I managed to get us all out of the house this morning with each DD taking the right things to school and nursery.

DD2 had a good day at nursery. She had just a few tears when she was tired but was fighting going to sleep - too many more interesting things to do. I am really pleased she has the same key worker that DD1 had 4.5 years ago. All the children seem to like her.

Hope every one gets a good night of sleep.

Cavatina Thu 02-May-13 08:53:59

running you are a legend managing on your own with two los and return to work! I went to work for lunch with colleagues yesterday and did not even want to think abour returning (due beg Octobervso very lucky) + in denial about childcare, not done anything yet and proly too late for nursery now(LDN massively oversubscribed....). I hope you have a nice bday celebration once dh is back.
I am here to report that second night in own room was success. No cry last night asleep by 9pm, stirred 12.45 so fed for 10min and she was then back in cot and asleep until 7.30am! obv I did not sleep as well as expected as kept going down to check on her but still massive improvement. fingers cross we cracked it. She is now having her first nap in my bed ( I took her in for feed and cuddles and she dosed off 40min ago). am a new person! will have to tackle naps in own cot next. But there is hope for us all that it will all pass eventually.
hope sun is shining where you are
x

woundbobbin Thu 02-May-13 10:22:07

Morning all
Running that all sounds very impressive I think I'd probably fall asleep at my desk if I went back to work now am still hoping I can stretch it out till August / September if we only eat beans! My mum & dad are going to do the childcare so I'm hugely lucky in that respect!
Well done cava on your second night without baby cava - sounds like you are getting a bit more sleep which is brilliant !
Sleep is improving a bit here dd managing 3 hour chunks over night which isn't to awful - she is dropping feeds in the day and goes a good 6 hours without milk which is a shame as I hoped she'd drop the night feeds 1st (naive).
Dd was 7 months yesterday given that I've never managed to keep a pot plant alive I'm chuffed to have made it this far - am slowly adding diary & wheat back into her diet have made her lentil & watercress & onion for lunch dunno what I'm having probably not something that middle class ?toast.
Hope everyone is enjoying the sunshine if you have it.

RunningOutOfIdeas Tue 07-May-13 21:00:09

Hope every one had a lovely sunny weekend.

DD2's sleep has gone totally wrong. I think I managed about 3 hours in total last night. Same the night before. I don't know what to do to improve it since I don't know why it has changed. I feel so knackered with being back at work too. Wish DH was here to help.

woundbobbin Tue 07-May-13 22:11:52

Oh no running you poor thing. Can you put her in your bed with you? It's the only thing that gets me consecutive sleep. Fingers crossed you get a better night!

Cavatina Thu 09-May-13 09:52:11

helloo, it is really quiet here. We were away formthe weekend, was lovely.
running must be so hard with no sleep working and on your own. I feel for you, I dont get much more than 3h either to be honest, last few days really bad, waiking up every 30min between 8 and midnight. I blame it on teething, is your dd2 similar age? babyCava is 7 months in a bit more than a week and no teeth yet. Last night it looked like she was in pain so gave her calpol and she slept for 4h uninterrupted(until stupid house alarm went off at 1am and freaked everyone out!).
wound since moved to her own room, in bed with me no longer worksm only for the first feed around 7ish (still feed two times between bedtime and 7am).
was telling dp at 3am last night will call sleeping clinic first thing this morning as running out of ideas (sorry runninggrin ) how to handle it...
how is weaning going? BabyCava went nuts for strawberries and orange...
hope everyone is enjoying the weather

slightlyroundthebend Thu 09-May-13 10:00:23

Morning lovelies, sorry I've been awol poorly baba, bank hols and broken phone!

Hope everyone is keeping well?

cava weaning going well although in worried I should be adding finger foods/ more variety? How did you feed the strawberry and orange? I feel a bit like ds is just get the same stuff everyday? I've batch made foods but starting to understand why people do the jars there seems more variety. Gosh these babies are a worry! Are they ok to have scrambled eggs yet? Anyone else feeling totally overwhelmed?

Cavatina Thu 09-May-13 10:55:44

slightly i hold the strawberry and she sicks/eats it, same with orange, cut segments and remove skin, she loves it. Also give her as finger food but mostly ends on floor. I am worried too about not introducing enough, pediatrician told me there is a window 17-32 weeks to introduce as much as possible, which makes 3 days new food introduction hard to follow, he not bothered with it obv.Also Bf babies alreay have tasted quite a bit through the bm, so I would not worry too uch about it I decide... I am making purees but also gave her ella's kitchen lentil thingy as not sure how she will take lentils which could be boring and hard on tummy imo and I was not going to waste time cooking it. No salt or sugar is a good rule until 1yo, eggs not before 7months and then hsrd boiled/well cooked (not soft which ruins it sad Alergies a a worry but if you do not have a family history probably will be ok. Advice varies s much it is bloody confusing.
I feed babyCava three meals with bf inbetween and she seems to be doing ok weight wise. Thinking of slowly introducing bottles as would not be able to bf beyond 9 months I think and would like to take it slowly..
hope this is useful , pls share any tips! x

Cavatina Thu 09-May-13 11:17:09

hm contrary babyCava still asleep after being brought up to our bed for a feed at 7.30am, wtf??

woundbobbin Thu 09-May-13 16:13:36

Hello everyone.
Had wondered where everyone had gone thought you might all be enjoying 12 hours sleep but obviously not sounds like we are all still in need of a dream sheep!
Weaning going ok here but I worry a lot about lack of variety - I'm a very beige eater I have had a cheese ham and pickle sandwich for lunch nearly every day of my adult life! I've got 7 frozen meals in the freezer which I've made myself and I give one of those a day. I have given scrambled egg before dd was 7mths (but I'm not really sure of the guidelines) dd likes finger food but finds fruit slippy she will demolish rice cakes toast fingers and cubes of cheese she also likes broccoli because its got a good handle avocado is good as well if its not to ripe.
I've put some formula on my ocado shopping for next week want to give it go so I can get to Eddie Izzard at the end of the month & a hen do next month!

Thechick Fri 10-May-13 05:42:19

I'm still here.
I've been awake since 4 when little one woke up but he's asleep and I'm not. We are both good. H has a little bit of a cold, but he's good. He's got a tooth coming through and has been biting everyone including me. I'm a bit worried about the variety of H's food too. I think I need to get a bit more organised and chose foods dependent on their nutritional value.

And I hear you Cava with London nurseries being over subscribed. The one we really liked had a waiting list of 12-18 months. That's crazy.

Cavatina Fri 10-May-13 21:50:33

ayeeewound Eddie Izzard! super jealous! love the man, is he on tour?
<goes away to google him>
12 h sleep hahaha! not really...
chick similar here, she goes back to sleep but I cannot, is really annoying. I am a bit of an insomniac anyway, need to sleep train myself to sleep again, some time before she is 18....
We regressed a bit with weaning last couple of days as she has been really fussy and today at tea time was off her food, so checked temperature, 38.9C, so calpol quick bath and feed and she is now asleep. No idea what is wrong no obvious symptoms, could it be teeth? will monitor overnight. sigh

RunningOutOfIdeas Sat 11-May-13 07:36:27

Morning all. Hope babycava is ok.

I do wish DD2 could tell me her plans for each night. At the start of the week her sleep was best described as crap. Then I had a couple of nights that were better but she needing feeding at around 3am. Finally the last 2 nights I have only had to give her a dummy a couple of times.

Weaning is going ok. We are still on fairly smooth purees though. She does have a go at bread sticks and Organix carrot sticks but ignores anything else. The amount she eats varies massively from one day to the next.

RunningOutOfIdeas Sat 11-May-13 09:10:42

oh bugger. DD2 threw up her bottle of milk. She is now asleep on me. I hope this isn't another stomach bug but it probably is.

Cavatina Sat 11-May-13 10:38:45

running hope it is not a stomach bug, they are pita! and obv theybdid not get the memo about night plans, so it is a bit like russian roulette, I do find it very stressful. At least looks like babyrunning is improving on sleep.
BabyCava still running temperature this morning, no obvious symptoms, but very tired and grumpy. so am I tbh, dp away again for a week, so doing it on my own, so running not sure how you manage with two and working as well, makes me feel really bad for moaning..
phoned gp they advised taker her to A&E, but I am not hanging around for 6h there and exposing her to all the bugs around, so made the appt with the private paeds for home visit, someone is coming in a couple of hours. Between this and the vet bills proly will have to wean babyCava on beans on toast.. hope weekend is improving for everyone

woundbobbin Sun 12-May-13 21:53:55

Tonight I'm doing an experiment. During one of my very many wake ups last night I decided the reason dd wakes so often is because she can't get comfy in the bag (clutching at straws) so I googled alternatives to baby sleeping bags and found hundreds (one) person who said baby sleeping bags are the devils tool and a swop to fleecy sleepsuits & a blanket = 12hrs sleep! Hundreds (one) person can't be wrong so I've purchased said fleecy sleep suit and blanket is at the ready (desperate much). Will report back tomorrow to let you know if its more successful than the bloody Winnie the Pooh projector! grin

woundbobbin Sun 12-May-13 21:54:51

Ps already not a great start as its nearly ten & dd not yet in bed!!

woundbobbin Sun 12-May-13 21:56:16

Pps on a more serious note hope babycava & baby running are feeling better.

Cavatina Sun 12-May-13 23:04:54

evening,
wound you make me laugh! I know how you feel! I bought super expensive pukababy swadly thingy a while as I read on a thread is works magic for sleep, she hated it, thankfully it can work as sleeping bag too (are they really evil?? hm..) Hope sleepsuit works let us know!
shit weekend at casaCava, babyCava still unwell, very clingy, nap 1in mummys bed nap two on mummy (did not think will have to do that again as she is now 8kg, but rather enjoyed being pinned on the sofa watching About a boy, cannot believe used to think Hugh Grant hot blush), and took 1.5h to settle her to bed. so I am tired even after the duved day today.. pissed off am left on my own, I know dp working but he can go to bed and SLEEP uninterrupted however tired he might be...
running hope babyRunning ok

woundbobbin Mon 13-May-13 09:16:16

Epic failhmm
Stupid fleecy sleep suit.
Never mind off to the coast for a walk maybe some good sea air will knacker her outgrin

Cavatina Mon 13-May-13 13:06:37

wound never mind you have tried...hope walk was nice, I miss the sea..
off solids here so feeding every three hours day and night, feels like back to new born stage again hmm keep reminding myself it will pass but hard to believe when in the middle of it..

RunningOutOfIdeas Tue 14-May-13 09:56:45

Morning All. DD2 decided to be very generous with her vomiting bug and passed it on to me. Not surprising really since she did throw up all over me twice on Saturday. So I spent Sunday night hugging the toilet. Yesterday, while DD1 was at school, DD2 and I spent most of the day snuggled up on my bed, sleeping. It was lovely, helped us both feel better but has done nothing to help persuade DD2 to accept that her cot is where she should sleep at night.

Wound I have tried all sorts of sleeping bags, from 2.5 tog to sheet bags, and I have given up with them. I think they are fine if you don't have to pick your lo up and they don't wriggle around too much. However as soon as you start picking them up, I find the sleeping bag gets bunched up underneath them. So I have gone back to sheet and blankets. Hope you got some sleep last night.

Cava DD2 went off solids a couple of weeks ago. Then after about 5 days she was sick a few times. I took her to the gp who thought she might have rotavirus. She was fine after the day of throwing up. Hope that is not what babyCava has, but if it is then it seems to be a bug that lasts a week.

Cavatina Tue 14-May-13 19:48:30

helloo, hate the weather! another "summer" like last year and I am emigrating south!
phew, glad got it off my chest grin
babyCava came with rash all over her body, so rushed her to gp, who did some googling and told me it is viral rash, due to the virus she has been suffering since Friday. At least he hopes it is, but am to keep an eye on her. She has not had fevor today and manged few smiles but still off food and looks tired, so not sure what kind of night we are in for, always a surprise hmm
running love duvet days, glad you both on the mend. BabyCava has not slept in our bed during the night since we moved her to her room, but still naps with me during the day sometimes, I still feed her to sleep, sleep training postponed until she learns to self settle further notice.

woundbobbin Wed 15-May-13 21:39:21

Evening all.
Cava hope babycava feeling better & rash has eased.
Had a nice walk on the coast Monday dd slept despite howling wind.
Sleep is a little better - have thought of another design for dream sheep I'm going to develop a cot/mattress that rocks/vibrates when the baby crys!
Formula arrived yesterday still haven't tried it have no idea how to bottle feed must get on it Eddie Izzard on the 30th!!!
Going to take dd to the hay festival next week bit of culture will do her good! Sadly Caitlin Moran sold out before I got round to buying tickets!
Hope everyone ok grin

Cavatina Wed 15-May-13 22:19:19

ayee wound luuurve the Hay festival, we had a cottage 6miles from Hay (just sold it.. sigh) it is beautiful and great fun. Hay has changed a lot in the past few years I think, so many book shops have closed, it is slowly losing its authenticity imo, but still a great place! where are you planning to stay during the festival?
Like your dream sheep idea, surelly the Dragons will be interested? they did have kids no?
BabyCava is much betterm rash slowly improving and she managed some puree, watermelon, and yoghurt with prunes (expect poonami later). She is still fighting sleep, I am hoping she can crack it one day before I crack..
off to bed now, wishing all a good night

woundbobbin Thu 16-May-13 08:10:01

We don't live that far from hay & my parents live even closer so will probably stay at their house I love it to. Agree re hay itself loosing its charm a bit.
Dd was a bit awkward to settle last night but only woke twice after midnight & is still asleep now so I'm having a cup of tea in bedgrin
Hope everyone has a good day

Cavatina Thu 16-May-13 21:51:31

aah I miss Hay.. the guy at Bullring antiques was on the vodka and tonic at 11am on xmas eve.... I thought may be it was a good time to have some bargains hehehe! and Tom the butcher at Small farms has the best ribeye stake yum! And elderflower sorbet st Shepherds, mmmm very envy.
Struggling with solids at the moment, babyCava will not have any meat hmm since she was unwell. I have been coking like mad and she does not care.. may be should get on the jars wagon if she does not appreciate mummy's gourmet meals... Last night she woke up every hour between 9pm-2am and then 5, am tired... Have a cunning plan to up the carbs and solids so may be she will sleep longer... Contradictory advice as to whether to give protein at lunchtime or teatime, proly does not matter as she will note have it anyway..sigh

woundbobbin Sat 18-May-13 09:12:00

Kicking myself for telling someone at playgroup yesterday that I felt dd was turning a corner in the sleep department - corner = massive u turn virtually no sleep last night so dh got up with her at 6 so I got 2 hrs sleep and he has now gone back to bed bit annoying cos friend is visiting this weekend and plan was to clean house and buy some food before she arrived at this rate we will all still be in our pyjamas!
Also yesterday someone asked me what my little boy was called she's a girl she is obviously a girl she has hair and a girly face
Anyway mood over have a lovely weekend everyone enjoy the sunshine if you have it grin

Cavatina Mon 20-May-13 13:12:31

wound hope weekned and sleep improved.. not much news orindeed improvement in casaCava, she still dodging sleep, I am up every two hours, and sometimes up to an hour to settle(last night 2-3.30...yawn). Sleep deprived and feeling pretty low. She is 7 months today and a lot of fun, but nights are a nightmare, wish I can relax and go with the flow, but keep thinking am doing something wrong...I wish can blame it on teething, but she has never really done good night sleep so almost giving up hope that one night I will wake up after 5h and she will still be asleep....

woundbobbin Mon 20-May-13 20:16:30

Sorry sleep is so rubbish cava - we are not doing much better here!
Was sat with two ladies who have 4 mth old dc at playgroup today they were moaning that after months of sleeping 12 hrs their dc had started waking once over night they were really worried that it was going to be a habit I wanted to bang my head on the table.
Have just given dd a bottle for the first time she drank about 10 mls will try again tomorrow.
Fingers crossed for more than 2 hrs in a row for you tonight cava!

RunningOutOfIdeas Mon 20-May-13 21:27:29

Sleep is also crap here. DH will be home at the weekend so I at least I will have some one to share the sleepless nights with.

Thechick Tue 21-May-13 12:03:01

Wound I love hay. I used to work there selling papers but that stopped a few years ago. I loved the puzzle shop and that fish and chips place and it was just so lovely walking around.
H had an ear infection and an awful cold. It was horrible, he's never cried so much, my boobs didn't work to calm him it was horrible but he's much better now. Just very sleepy today. Weaning is going okay. We stopped giving food whilst he was ill and now he doesn't seem to be as enthusiastic about eating. His hand eye coordination seems a lot better though.

woundbobbin Wed 22-May-13 13:15:48

Advice please wise peoplegrin
Have had a letter from the health visitor saying she is coming round in a few weeks. Does anyone have any idea what this might be about? They've not seen dd since she was 8 weeks I've rung a couple of times re diarrhoea & measles vaccination but they didn't take my name so wouldn't have known it was me. Have looked in birth to five book doesn't suggest there is a routine check at 8 mths. Any ideas???

Cavatina Wed 22-May-13 19:57:41

wound have no idea! may be some new local initiative? mine only ever showed up once and that was it. I dont think there are any routine checks at 8 months. Are you up to date with vaccines? Can you phone and check? sorry not much help..
chick sorry to hear lo unwell, ear infection is painful, hope he feels better soon.
running hope you are getting some sleep.
Took babyCava to paed for sleep advice, he thinks she needs some tough love hmm. Seems she has gone through a grouth spurt as she she has grown 3cm in three weeks.. also no feeding overnight, not sure about that either, she drained both boobs at 1am last night in no time and went back to sleep. so none the wiser confused

RunningOutOfIdeas Wed 22-May-13 21:08:53

Wound sorry I also have no idea about the hv. Can you phone her back and ask what it is about?

Cava I decided I needed to get tougher with DD2 about sleep. I thought I had it easy with her. She had been a great sleeper. For most of February I was getting her into her cot by 8pm, giving a dream feed at 10.30 and then no hearing anything from her until after 6am. So the way she is now is such a change and I am finding it so frustrating. Last night was even worse. She woke every hour until 3am and then cried almost constantly until 6am. I go in every 5 minutes to reassure her and she stops crying but starts again as soon as I leave.

Tonight is not even starting out well. She is already crying and refusing to settle. I really don't know what to do.

woundbobbin Wed 22-May-13 22:39:08

I never imagined how complicated this whole sleep thing would be I certainly didn't think that dd would be almost 8 mths and never have slept for longer than 6 hours and generally not more than 2- 3 in a row.
People are telling me to be tough and leave her but that's not for me. I just feed her when she wakes (or dh rocks her) and she's back down in 10-15 minutes - she is very happy in the day so I don't think it affects her - I've reconciled to myself that it may be a year or so before I get a full nights sleep. Although I will continue to try soft methods (see Winnie the Pooh light projector)
Still if the tough methods work for you guys maybe I'd give it a whirl - otherwise I'll be alone on this thread whilst you are all sleeping grin

Cavatina Thu 23-May-13 08:48:02

morning meant to post last night but had to deal with bastard blocked duct ouch! never had that before...seems better now.
running must be even tougher for you as she actually slept before, what on earth makes them regress so drasticlly?
I think will have to give it a go as dp is behind it and I will not be able to "moan" if we dont try it, but not looking forward to it. Will keep you posted, off to Westfield with friend and babies, wish me luck.. heard baby facilities there very good...

Cavatina Thu 23-May-13 08:51:32

wound unlikely will be sleeping as my sleeping patterns need fixing too, she slept 1-4.30am but I did not...

RunningOutOfIdeas Thu 23-May-13 14:12:47

Well last night DD2 went to sleep very nicely at about 7. She was wide awake at 9. I ended up taking her downstairs, giving her a bottle and watching tv until she fell asleep at 10.30. Then she cried roughly every hour until 2am when she really started yelling. I gave her Nurofen cos I think she might be teething but this made no difference. When I picked her up she snuggled in to me with her eyes closed, as if she was falling asleep but she cried the moment I started to put her back in her cot. It seems that she is happy to sleep, provided it is on me, preferably with me walking around or rocking her. I simply cannot do that all night!

I don't think I have any choice apart from getting tough on this. So I giver her a dummy and her teddy, said ssshhh and walked out. She cries the moment I turn my back. After 5 minutes I go back in, she stops crying immediately and puts her arms up to be picked up. But picking her up does not achieve anything because she cries as soon as I start to put her down. So I just kept on with dummy, teddy and walking out. She didn't cry constantly, she would stop for a few minutes and then start again. At 3.15 she had gone completely quiet and decided to check on her to make sure she was OK (still breathing!). That was a mistake because she wasn't totally asleep and as soon as I got close to her she started crying. She only went properly back to sleep at 4am and was wide awake, ready to start her day at 6.30.

Does any one have any suggestions as to what I am doing wrong or what else could I do?

Cava and Wound if you do try anything similar and you find the crying is making you feel stressed, I can recommend using earplugs. I find that I can still hear DD, but the earplugs stop her crying drilling right through me. Without them I was getting even more stressed and then I can feel myself getting angry with her. Not good.

Crossing my fingers that this bloody awful phase ends today and all our DCs decide Thursday night is sleepy night.

Thechick Fri 24-May-13 06:24:26

Running how was the second night. I think as heartbreaking as it is you do need to keep at it for a couple of days for it to work.
Cava how was Westfields, which one did you go to? The feeding rooms at shepherds bush were the best I've experienced. A blocked duct is no fun. It's so painful
We have a plan to do with sleep. We are going to get him on 3 meals a day which hasn't happened yet if that doesn't work, a bottle of formula before bed, if that doesn't work then sleep training.

Thechick Fri 24-May-13 06:29:18

Oh and Wound I think it's normal for the hv to come again between 8-12 months. I went to see hv this week because I think H has a little squint and they said that they would make my appointment sooner rather than later.

woundbobbin Fri 24-May-13 07:55:28

Morning all.
Running hope you got some sleep for what it's worth (and you know a lot more about parenting than me) but I'm sure that you are doing nothing "wrong". From what I've heard chick is right re the tough methods if you've started don't stop I really hope it works for you!
Cava hope you got some sleep yourself !
Has everyone got good bh plans? Think it's going to be sunny we've got hay Saturday then hopefully a BBQ Sunday and maybe a trip to the gruffalo trail !
Eddie Izzard is Thursday night so far dd takes about 15mls from the bottle before screaming my dad is insisting I just go and dd will be fine nervous but I think I might chance it!
Have a good bh allgrin

RunningOutOfIdeas Fri 24-May-13 14:17:23

Well DD2 slept quite well last night. She cried when I first put her in her cot so I left her for a few minutes then went in, said sshh and put her dummy back in and she went straight to sleep. Since she was more awake going into her cot last night maybe that helped. She cried at 10 so I gave her a bottle and she cried for about 5 minutes when returned to her cot. Once again she went to sleep when I went in and gave her a dummy. Then for the rest of the night I only had to go to her 2 times when she cried and put her dummy in. She did not keep on crying when I left her room. This is completely different to the last 5 nights and I have no idea why. It was just like she had been in the last few months. So now I am crossing everything that tonight is as good as last night.

Wound I think your Dad is right. Go and have a great night out. The worst that can happen is that your DD feeds very little and you come home to a hungry grumpy baby. If that happens, cuddles and feeds from you should solve that.

DH comes home tomorrow. YAY!

Cavatina Fri 24-May-13 14:45:13

helloo lovelies, posted last night but seems our slow internet has lost it.
running how did you get on last night?
Paed advice was following: put to bed, then go in every 5,10,20,30min shushpat, change nappy if needed, no cuddles, feeding or eye contact, and walk out, persevere for more than one night.
Last night I fed her and she fell asleep at 7.30, woke up 8.15 (always 45min) and took her 45min to go back to sleep. DP and I took turns. She then woke up at 1.45 and took about two hours to settle, which is pretty much whAt happens anyway, then slept until 7.45am. it was very tough as I can see she was fighting sleep, but got there at the end. today so far she had two naps 30min and 20min self settled for first, and dp rocked her for the second. I am now attempting the third nap so outside her room, she is chatting to herself but looks tired. I would like to add that the paed gave this advice based on the long chat we had about her food and sleep routine and he examined her as well. She is currently on three meals a day, some a hit and miss (mostly breakfast, but sometimes lunch or supper) and is bf 4-5 times a day(+up to twice during the night so far).
So her day was
7ish (depending on how night went) bf
8ish breakfast
9.30ish bf and fed to nap
10ish nap anying between 30min and 1.5h
12ish lunch
1.30ish bf to nap
2ish nap usually 30-45min if we are at home, or pram if we are out
sometimes fit another bf
6ish supper
7 bath
7.30 feed to sleep
So we are aiming for more structured days and no night feeds
Hope this is helpful, will keep you posted
chick went to SB one, indeed family room fab, if quite busy.. by the time we got there, fed the babies, change one, than the other, then had lunch where babyCava tried to eat the menu while no one was looking, and everying within reach, we had to go home, but managed a couple of shops and I boughtna scarf (just to justify the trip grin.
wound she will be ok! She is in the safest pair of hands you can leave her in, go and enjoy the show!
we have no weekend plans as I just realised it is a long weekend, if weather nice we will aim for some walks, but it does not look that way presentlysad
long post sorry!
have a good one!

Cavatina Fri 24-May-13 15:28:47

running just realised cross posted yeyee for a better night!

RunningOutOfIdeas Fri 24-May-13 19:43:25

Yesterday evening I had a lovely chat with the childminder who looks after DD1 after school. She is a grandmother and has worked as a nanny and childminder for more than 20 years.

We discussed various ways of dealing with sleep problems. With her own children she now feels she was too soft. She has seen her daughters take a tougher approach with I think 2 of her grandchildren and says they got into a better sleeping habit more quickly.

She was so encouraging and helped me work out a plan of what I would do last night. This was so helpful to me since I have family here who can help.

DD2 is now asleep in her cot so now I need to persuade DD1 to go to bed. She is a master of procrastination.

Hope everyone has a peaceful night.

RunningOutOfIdeas Fri 24-May-13 19:54:00

Oops. Meant I have no family to help.

I do think at this age some structure to the day does help. DD2 has her first bottle at 6.30 - 7 am. At nursery breakfast is at about 8.30. She has a bottle at about 9.30 and then a nap. This is usually between 30 mins and 1 hour. Lunch is started at 11.30. Then DD will sleep for up to 2 hours. She has milk sometime between 2 and 3pm, depending on her nap time. If the nap after lunch is short, she will fall asleep again after her milk. Tea is at approx 4.30. I give DD her bedtime bottle as close to 7pm as possible and try to get her settled by 7.30.

Cavatina Sun 26-May-13 10:28:56

just popping in to report that sleep has improved beyond recognition, we have one happy and rested baby, and I managed to rest too. Hope you are enjoying the sunshine and the long weekend.

woundbobbin Tue 28-May-13 20:36:47

Hello everyone.
Did everyone have a good bh?
I went to hay I left dd with my dad & was gone for 5 hours I've never left her for more than an hour before so I'm pretty pleased with myself she had a great time with dad and I really enjoyed hay always makes me feel like I need to go back to uni & watch less rubbish on the tv!
We had a lovely BBQ on Sunday and managed some day trips despite the rain yest & today.
Sadly dd sleeps worse at my parents than she does at home so we are pretty tired - still she's in bed now. Fingers crossed for a good night.
Glad sleep is better cava is that using controlled crying??
Hope everyone ok grin

woundbobbin Tue 28-May-13 20:37:27

Ps if any of you use ocado they've got a good Ella's kitchen deal on at the moment.

Cavatina Wed 29-May-13 20:50:03

wound we did what the paed suggested, it was not as bad as I thought it would be, she now wakes up once and easy to settle back to sleep. Tonight (night 5 since we started) I fed her kiss said good night and left the room and she was asleep within 10min no crying at all. day naps also easy, she figured it out really quickly.
What did you see at Hay?
We had a boring weekend as dp was not well but managed few nice walks.
We are off on hols for two weeks on Monday really excited, if a bit nervous of flight..

woundbobbin Thu 30-May-13 16:03:33

We saw will self & Melvyn Bragg at hay they were both excellent it was very busy though ( dunno why I went on a weekend given I'm on mat leave)
It's Eddie Izzard tonight I'm already feeling nauseated about going but we've had these tickets since before dd was born so I must go. She will be fine with dad repeat she will be fine with dad!!!
Cava very impressed with your improved sleep may give it a go myself after last nights waking every time she touched the cot - eventually slept at 2 in my bed hmm

RunningOutOfIdeas Thu 30-May-13 16:36:31

Cava glad your nights have improved. DD2 is still being a challenge. Her naps at nursery have improved - she was refusing to settle in a cot without her keyworker present. I have had some good nights and some bad ones.

When DH came home he did not help at first. He thought he was being helpful by getting up to her at night, to give me a rest, but he was giving her the attention she was after. Last night we went back to my routine. Hopefully if we stick to my way of doing things, we will get better nights soon.

woundbobbin Thu 30-May-13 22:30:11

I did it grin (not expecting anyone to be interested) but yay me. Dd was fine only woke twice & dad got her back down both times in 5 mins.

Donnadoon Fri 31-May-13 06:10:24

Hello ladies can I join please ? I didn't even know this thread existed doh...my dd was born on the 7th October same as Thechicks grinand Dupains but I've been on the November thread because she was due on the 1st of November.

Thechick Fri 31-May-13 06:44:33

Yay Donna. Welcome. This thread moves at a very different pace to the nov one but the ladies are lovely.

Congrats Cava and Wound on your sleeping babies.

Cavatina Fri 31-May-13 12:03:17

Hello welcome donna
wound well done! Glad miniWound was ok, it is such an important relationship with the grandparents, they enjoy each other's company, my older children loved spending e summers with my parents,unfortunately babyCava is notnso lucky as they live in another country and pil no longer around sad.
Did you enjoy Eddie? very [jealous]!
running it took us two nights to break the habit (about 2h first night and 45min second night before she settled into sleep) but indeed it is important to stick to the plan both of you. Fingers cross she cracks it I think babies are very smart and love to learn new things even if it is harder at first. I felt I have to, as a parent, to help her learn and have a good and restful night sleep. I am under no illusion there will be sleepless nights but hopefully not that many.
chick how is lo, is he feeling better?
Have to do some shopping and make list of things to pack for babyCava for the hols, getting a bit stressed, but I am sure will be ok at the end. Hate airports and all the security etc, not sure whether pouches of food are ok to take on the flight? They are 130g so over the 100ml limit but is not liquid is is confused. Any ideas?

woundbobbin Fri 31-May-13 15:01:14

Hello Donna welcome to the little thread of people who's babies rarely sleep. As soon as your baby sleeps you graduate to the Facebook group I think dd will be 2 before I get there.
Cava Eddie was brilliant and dd was more than fine with my dad - it is such an important relationship my parents adore her my in laws are less interested but I'm not that worried about that cos I don't really like them. grin
I'm not sure re food on planes I have a friend who has to peg feed her baby and they make her taste all the food in front of security - I'm aware that doesn't help at all sorry! Are you exited for holiday aside from the airport etc?

slightlyroundthebend Fri 31-May-13 15:13:39

Hello lovely ladies sorry I've been awol, broken phone and no sleep and teething baby have all kept me away.

So how are you doing the sleeping thing cava? I'm desperate, sleep is getting worse here not better but haven't a clue about sleep training. What do you do when they wake in the night? Sshhh pat?? Sorry I'm sleep deprived but no idea how to do it. Idiots guide??

Lovely weather here been sat in garden with a coffee and ds, hope it's like this tomorrow too smile

Donnadoon Fri 31-May-13 16:50:23

Hello everyone thankyou for the welcome smile
Sleep here is hit and miss ... Usually put down between 7 and 8 although last night she was full of beans until 9 pm ?? And then wakes anytime between 3 and 5 am so not too bad really.
I only b/f at these times too (at put down and waking)
Throughout the day she has 3 bottles of Aptimal 8 ozs
And food wise she has tried a bit of everything fruit and veg wise but typically has breakfast every morning either half a weetabix or a bit of ready brek mixed with formula
Then mashed banana or scrambled egg for lunch
Then I go easy at dinner time as I'm still trying to go slowly and not bung her up so to speak so its just a little yogurt or half an Ella's pouch of fruit
Gosh that was a bit mammoth sorry smile

RunningOutOfIdeas Fri 31-May-13 20:49:56

Cava well done for cracking sleep in 2 nights. I have now been really struggling for 2 weeks. A few nights have been ok but most either have me getting up every hour or a 2 hour crying session or a mixture of both. I just don't know what to try now.

All I can say is that if DD2 applies the same level of persistence and determination to anything she does when she is older, she is going to be incredibly successful.

Cavatina Fri 31-May-13 22:43:58

hahaha running we have some future nobel laureates on this that for sure grin
donna how do you serve the eggs? I would like to try babyCava before we go on hols but I like them runny and we are supposed to give them well done no? I am yet t try weetabix, I luufs the stuff but bit worried will constipate her..
slightly lovely to see you <wave> sorry sleep is rubbish, See my mammoth post on Friday (24/5) for what we did, let me know/pm me if you want to ask anything else/more details.
Excited about the hols, mainly because weather report is for SUN! cannot wait, went to JL today and spent some silly money on holiday purchases which I am sure we can do without + ordered some lovely summer outfits for babyCava from miniBoden, she was more excited about the wrapping paper hmm but I made her try them all and she looks super cute, even if I say so myself (silly mummy emoticone)
off to bed now, we had some champers to celebrate dd1 finishing her finals at uni, graduation day on 16th July, yayeeee!
good night is wished to one and all!

slightlyroundthebend Sat 01-Jun-13 08:21:25

Morning ladies!
Wow is all I can say to last night wow.
So we took him up for bath at 6:30 then cuddles then bottle, burped him and he was weary ( hasn't fallen to sleep feeding for a while he usually snuggles into me on rocking chair) so I gritted my teeth, said night night and into cot. He cried I stayed strong "sshhh night night honey, I love you, it's sleepy time" kissed him and walked out (need a vomit emotion to insert here) came in at intervals of 2,4,6,8 & 15 mins, after an he he was asleep. He woke up 45 mins later, I went in did same as above but he was asleep in 4 mins. Woke at 12:40 for feed - this is about right/usual so fed and repeated above after 45 mins he was sleeping soundly. He woke up at 6:10 when he'd usually get up! Feel like New woman after nights of horrendous sleep, will persevere again tonight.
Just wanted to say thank you cava and lovely ladies for giving me the confidence to try this without feeling like I'd failed as a mother, it was the hardest night of my life but I needed to do something ory relationship with hubby would of suffered from being so tired and agitated.

Donnadoon Sat 01-Jun-13 09:04:12

Hi Cava I've given her scrambled egg , very well cooked mixed with cows milk, no salt or anything. She loves it. And the weetabix is with formula.
I know what you mean about constipation so I tried her with ice cube sized amounts at first, and gradually increased.

Cavatina Sat 01-Jun-13 15:04:09

slightly great news, hope you got some sleep too.
donna thank you will try tomorrow breakfast.
Weather rubbishh here, was planning a picnic but having tea and biscuits in front of telly while babyCav napping.
Have a nice weekend ladies

Cavatina Sat 01-Jun-13 21:17:35

Just had a sneaky read on the Nov babies thread, omg these chicas can chat.. wonder whether there are any other october babies on the Nov one..
wound how are you getting on? hope you are getting some sleep..

woundbobbin Sat 01-Jun-13 21:51:35

Not having a good one so far. Dd woke up this am a bit out of sorts she is normally remarkably cheerful at all times (even in the middle of the night) but we've barely got a smile out of her all day. She is quite hot to touch and has just wanted cuddles she fell asleep on the sofa earlier just leant over head on DH's stomach and gone she has never ever done that. So I've just managed to get some more paracetamol in hopefully that'll bring the temp down and I've put her in a very thin bag not anticipating a good night as even if she sleeps I expect I'll be bobbing back & forward to check on her hmm

Donnadoon Sat 01-Jun-13 21:59:06

cava yeah there is loads because a lot of us were due in November and had been together since the BFPs in the antenatal threads. Thread moves way too fast for me sometimes but they are all lovely too.

Cavatina Sun 02-Jun-13 05:39:29

wound sounds like the virus babyCava had recently, no coughing or anything else just temperature and feeling poorly, she was also off her food so I just bf her and gave calpol and nurofen. She turned a corner on day three. Hope you got through the night ok.
BabyCava slept from 7.30 to 5am, woke up once at 11ish had some water and back to sleep, feeding her now and hoping for some more sleep, or shall I start packing...flight tomorrow getting a bit stressed...

Thechick Sun 02-Jun-13 06:25:30

Cava I'm on the Nov thread. I was due 18 Nov and was part of it from antenatal and my bfp. It's hard keeping up so I look at both this one and dip in and out of that one. I think I was the 3rd or 4th (with Donna, our babies were born on the same day) Nov baby born and that was 7th Oct so there are def more Oct babies on the Nov thread. H is much better now. He was really ill for a while, I got quite worried. But his cough is so so much better and he's only a little bit snotty. He's on his second lot of antibiotics in 3 weeks which is not good but hopefully this will be it.
He slept from 9 till 4.30, had a quick feed and is now still sleeping. Need to try and remember what I did yesterday to try and repeat it today. I'm off to the park today, yay!!

woundbobbin Mon 03-Jun-13 20:52:34

Must have been that virus cava she has been in a hellish mood most of the day crying her eyes out then randomly she just got better in the bath of all places.
I'm a bit worried she might be a bit dry maybe she has a headache it's so hard to get fluid into her she hates the sippy cup but only has 3 bf a day I'm bad with the warm weather I don't really feel the heat so rarely don't wrap up so I've been wrapping dd up as well worried I'm boiling her a bit. Anyway she is asleep now so long may that continue.
Hope everyone is well grin

woundbobbin Tue 04-Jun-13 08:41:34

CAVA I have a confession
I had a dream about you last night - we met in a very busy park it was sunny and you were a middle aged man with a fedora hat (sorry) grin

Cavatina Tue 04-Jun-13 22:30:46

hahaha wound I had a fedora hat when I was a (art) student, many moons ago..... can assure you am not a middle aged man! more a middle aged woman hehehe...hope lo is feeling much better/
Am enjoying the sun and having way too much steak and bubbly, you've got to love the vie francaise!
BabyCava has been a supertot, really enjoyed the whole gatwick south experience and the flight was ok too, it was worth timing it to fit around her routine tbh..She is now sleeping in her own room and although a bit unsettled, is doing much better than expected (woke up at 6am for a feed and then slept until 9..).
chick yes Nov ladies a very nice bunch.
running hope you are getting some sleep.
Hope everyone is enjoying the sunny spell
Checking out now as internet running out.

lisbethsopposite Thu 06-Jun-13 00:17:12

Marking spot. I'll be back...

woundbobbin Thu 06-Jun-13 13:43:00

Hello lovely ladies whilst its quiet I was wondering if I could pick your brains with a quick fire round of questions

1. What dc related item has been your best buy

2. As above but worse buy

3. What toy does your dc most enjoy playing with

4. Are you in a rear facing or forward facing car seat

5. How many milk feeds are you giving in a 24 hr period

6. Is your DC rolling/ sitting/ crawling /walking

7. How many teeth does your DC have

8. What is your dc's favourite food

9. Are you back in work if not when

10. Are you going to have another one?

Just being nosy really no need to answer if you don't want to grin

woundbobbin Thu 06-Jun-13 13:51:12

I'm going to answer because dd is sleeping & I'm watching the tennis cos I'm to lazy to do anything else.

1. Sun shade for the pram dd hates the sun in her eyes was spending a lot of time pushing the pram and carrying her before I got the parasol.

2. The pram - it was a gift from MIL - I was so shocked that she offered to buy something that i panicked and picked the 1st one i saw very stupid decision in hindsight.

3. Hide & squeak eggs & stacking cups.

4. Rear facing

5. 3 feeds between 7am 7pm varies overnight

6. Rolling & sitting not crawling / walking

7. None

8. Cheese avocado yoghurt strawberries

9. Not yet start date is September 2nd.

10. Yes but not yet.

grin

Donnadoon Thu 06-Jun-13 18:26:25

hi all ok ill answer too smile
1. Ikea high chair £16
2. Bouncer from the market that didnt work (swing and sing)
3. Sophie the Giraffe
4. Rear facing
5. 3 bottles and odd breast feed
6. rolling and sitting
7. no teeth yet either
8. petit filou yoghurts
9. not going back yet
10. yes hopefully
grin

RunningOutOfIdeas Fri 07-Jun-13 14:59:06

Hello All. I haven't been around much lately - too tired. DD2 still isn't sleeping every night. Sometimes she does and then we have nights when she thinks 2am is party time. Then on Tuesday she threw up at nursery and had a high temperature. So I have had her at home with me for the last 2 days.

Tonight I am taking both DDs camping. DH is away working. There will be lots of friends there who will hopefully help me, but they all have their own children. It seemed such a good idea when I agreed to it but now I suspect I must be completely mad.

1. What dc related item has been your best buy
Maclaren Techno XT pushchair - bought for DD1 and still going strong.

2. As above but worse buy
Most bath toys - found with DD1 that water gets into them and gradually they get black gunk in them that is impossible to clean.

3. What toy does your dc most enjoy playing with
DD2 is obsessed with a book - 'Thats not my reindeer'

4. Are you in a rear facing or forward facing car seat
Rear facing

5. How many milk feeds are you giving in a 24 hr period
4 usually, occasionally 5

6. Is your DC rolling/ sitting/ crawling /walking
Rolling, but often gets her arm stuck. Sitting with support.

7. How many teeth does your DC have
2

8. What is your dc's favourite food
Strawberry and apple puree

9. Are you back in work if not when
Went back in May

10. Are you going to have another one?
No

Thechick Sat 08-Jun-13 09:40:17

1. What dc related item has been your best buy
Ewan the sheep, it has definitely helped with sleeping and we were given a big aden and anais muslin

2. As above but worse buy
2.5 tog sleeping bags, our house is always way too warm

3. What toy does your dc most enjoy playing with
These ball things from elc

4. Are you in a rear facing or forward facing car seat
Rear facing

5. How many milk feeds are you giving in a 24 hr period
It changes every day, I'm bf on demand, maybe between 5 and 12

6. Is your DC rolling/ sitting/ crawling /walking
H is rolling and can sit for a little while. He can shuffle also but slowly

7. How many teeth does your DC have
H has two teeth and top one is coming

8. What is your dc's favourite food
Loves strawberries

9. Are you back in work if not when
September 23rd

10. Are you going to have another one?
I would love to have another one but dh not too sure. We can't really afford it so we are going to talk about it in a years time

Just being nosy really no need to answer if you don't want to

lisbethsopposite Sun 09-Jun-13 13:25:07

Hi all, I haven't been here in ages. I have 2. DS1 is 2yrs 9mo and DS2 was born on September 24 (EDD Oct. 5). Both are asleep right now!! This is my quality time.

1. What dc related item has been your best buy
Skin cream as baby has eczema. I use a combination of epaderm and a 1% hydracortisone. We bought very little equipment this time - I love to put baby in hi chair and grate some cheese onto the tray. He'll be happy there while I can crack on with dinner.

2. As above but worse buy
I have lots of shorts and t-shirt outfits for the summer but he scratches his exposed flesh raw and bleeding so it is easier to keep him in onesies.
I use 2.5 tog sleeping bags all the time here is Ireland, sometimes with a blanket on top! in Winter.

3. What toy does your dc most enjoy playing with
He will play with a baloon for AGES but I always keep a close eye. I've been warned they can be very dangerous (choking).

4. Are you in a rear facing or forward facing car seat
Rear facing isofix.

5. How many milk feeds are you giving in a 24 hr period
2-5 bf during day, nothing from 8pm to 7am.

6. Is your DC rolling/ sitting/ crawling /walking
Sitting yes. rolling to sides. No and no.

7. How many teeth does your DC have
6! 2 below, 4 above.

8. What is your dc's favourite food
likes cheese but eats anything that is not too cold.

9. Are you back in work if not when
No. Mid August

10. Are you going to have another one?
NO! (A little sad, but we are too old.)

woundbobbin Wed 12-Jun-13 21:02:00

I had that health visitor visit today. It was fine she was just doing a development check says I don't need to see her till the 13mth vaccinations now.
Her advice re the sleep was to increase food in the day she recommended 4 meals instead of three so I'm going to give that a go and hopefully drop the 3/4pm milk feed which will be a relief as was worried re how id manage going back to work if she still needed milk in the day!
Hope everyone is ok. grin

woundbobbin Wed 19-Jun-13 19:51:52

So I killed the thread! hmm
Is everyone ok?? Are you all asleep?

Thechick Thu 20-Jun-13 04:35:30

I think we need to recruit more people.

Thechick Thu 20-Jun-13 04:38:21

We are good. H was in contact with chicken pox last week and we are flying tomorrow so fingers crossed he hasn't got it. He's sleeping better, one wake up mostly. I'm good, a little stressed and overwhelmed trying to get ready for this trip, but really looking forward to it.

Cavatina Mon 24-Jun-13 15:36:08

helloo! have not had time to check in, am back from the trip and overwhelmed with a lot going on in RL..

wound glad hv visit was ok, how often do you bf now? I do 4 although pead recommended 3..
chick hope trip goes well, I was a bit nervous about flying but it was ok, it pays off to get to airport early though..(also our flight only 1.5h..)
babyCava has two teeth now and using then so bf is challenging presently...but sleeping still excellent. She os trying to move by various means and we are starting work on the extention so not much spce for crawing, will have to camp at the children centre hahaha! Feeding getting a bit boring now, and long and messy... strugling for ideas for bfast, what doyou give? Also have not given egg yet, not sure what to try as I hate hard boiled eggs..
tooth extraction tomorrow ouch! not looking forward to it!
will come back later todayto post answers to wound questions as babyCava just woke up (only 45min hm...)
hope everyone is well!

Cavatina Mon 24-Jun-13 22:18:57

ok better lat than never

1. What dc related item has been your best buy
The bednest although it was a present grin

2. As above but worse buy
a second hand pram from a shameless "friend" 80quit and could not go in a straight line..

3. What toy does your dc most enjoy playing with
labels on toys, clothes, towels.. not sure why I bother buying anything..

4. Are you in a rear facing or forward facing car seat
rear

5. How many milk feeds are you giving in a 24 hr period
4

6. Is your DC rolling/ sitting/ crawling /walking
rolling, sitting and about to crawl

7. How many teeth does your DC have
2!

8. What is your dc's favourite food
yoghurt

9. Are you back in work if not when
due end of September but thinking of taking additional few weeks

10. Are you going to have another one?
no way!
This was fun, thank you sound

Cavatina Mon 24-Jun-13 22:19:25

wound of course

turnwest Tue 25-Jun-13 18:37:54

Hi everyone , I m still here too!

1. Our i candy pram, it's been brilliant and the only thing Ds will nap in, in the day.

2. Magic stargazer mat thingy from mamas and papas, he a never been interested in it much

3. The cupboard doors, if I m holding him he loves to open and shut them.

4. Rear

5. 5

6 rolling, sitting, crawling not walking

7 2

8 tomatoes.

9 no, I ve quit work!

10. I m thinking of starting to try for a third baby soon, I m probably bonkers but I m not a spring chicken and really would like a third.

wound did increasing food in the daytime help? Our Ds wakes up starving every night around 3 ish, wondering whether to increase food in day.

woundbobbin Tue 25-Jun-13 22:06:06

Increasing food in the day has made no difference to the sleep but I now only give milk feeds at 8am 6pm & 8pm (& all night long) which means I can happily leave dd for the working day which is good because my KIT days start soon!
Sleep is awful - dd has been ill (again) dh also ill there is a plague upon our household. Downside to reducing milk in the day is that dd refuses it at night sometimes & we are spending hours rocking her to sleep which is knackering upside is I can wear a proper bra again grin

Donnadoon Wed 26-Jun-13 17:24:12

Hola everyone ...How was the trip chick or are you still there? I hope H avoided the pox
Cava How was the tooth extraction...I had one at 33wks pg..it was horrendous
Sorry to hear of your sleeping trouble wound ...it will pass eventually I promise smile
<Waves to everyone else>

Cavatina Wed 26-Jun-13 19:34:32

helloo lovelies,
donna thank you for asking, well, dentist trully a magician, took him 30sec to take it out, then offered it to me to keep(aparently it makes their life easier if I take it as otherwise have to follow procedure for disposing of body parts, well tis my third wisdom tooth extraction no one else offered hmm. He also phoned to check how I am this pm, I am really impressed.
it does hurt a lot so om paracetamol but a bit miffed at contradictory advice re: painkillers and bf, also dentist told me am only allowed paracitamol, whereas post sc was offered pretty much everything legal shock despite milk coming 24h postb. Go figure...
BabyCava a bit poorly, runny nose and a but of a cough, hope it will not turn serious. DS has had a cold and makes her jump every time he blows his (magnificent) nose grin
wound I used to rock in bfeading chair, it is by far the ugliest babyrelated ebay purchase but great for feeding and rocking saves your back.
hope eeryone is having a nice evening

woundbobbin Wed 26-Jun-13 19:45:29

Hi everyone
Glad the tooth ok cava - I had a tooth that hadn't come through removed under GA as a teen when I came round I demanded to keep it (was high on morphine) still got it should really throw it out!
Donna - I keep telling myself it will pass and one day she will sleep but becoming increasingly nervous by people asking me what I plan to 'do' about it and the sleep board on here is full of mothers of children much older than dd who don't sleep so I worry it will go on for a few years and I was hoping to have another one in a few years dunno when I'd get chance to conceive and 5/6 years without sleep is quite a scary prospect!

Donnadoon Wed 26-Jun-13 20:35:56

Glad to hear that cava you must give me his number grin mine should have been struck off! Because apart from it taking 40 mins because it broke mid extraction and had to be 'dug' out and being told to take either ibrufen or paracetamol ( I didn't know taking ibrufen in 3rd trimester was dangerous) I then developed 'dry socket' and took ibrufen for a couple of weeks and then when i realized my midwife sent me for a scan to check everything was ok(it was) but dd arrived early at 36wks+3 and I often wonder if this was why.
I've never visited the sleep boards wound sorry I'm sure they are extreme cases though so try not to panic.

Cavatina Thu 27-Jun-13 15:53:28

wound what is KIT day? boo to people asking you what you plan to do, they can mind their own business... In any case babies are different your second may sleep all night, you never know. It does pass and I must admit to have completely forgotten about the sleepless nights with DC1&2... or else I would have not said yes to No3!
donna previous extraction (by my dentist) also took 45min of pulling, was horrendous, then got infected, antibiotics and time off work etc, then one day my hygienist told me "he does not really like taking teeth out", no shit Sherlok!! so this time I asked him to refer me to a dental surgeon...
Went to see a nursery, LDN is rubbish really super expensive and the "outside space" was tiny andnot really outside, next to a cafe with outaide smoking tables. am so depressed.. considering begging for redundancy and emigrating sad
running how are you doing?

woundbobbin Thu 27-Jun-13 20:37:58

KIT day stands for keeping in touch you can do ten before your official start day and they pay you which is why I'm doing them if I had the money I wouldn't bother but we are skint. That nursery experience sounds unfortunate do you have other options? Aside from running away.
Dunno if slightly is still reading but was it you who was going to run the GNR?? I'm finding it really hard to fit in running on evenings & weekends feeling tempted to splash out (go into debt) on a baby jogger pram then I could just run in the day not sure if this is wise I've made some silly purchases due to sleep deprivation anyone tried running with a pram??

Cavatina Thu 27-Jun-13 21:44:34

wound hate running...but seen dads and mums doing it in the park, always thought is a bit mad but totally get the idea now, tbh I am strugling to find time for anything these days, it was easier when she was smaller, as she would nap in the pushchair and ebf meant we could spend all day out, now betweem cooking feeding and napping I struggle to squeeze a walk. will never lose weight...
my company does not do KIT days (or if they do no one told me hmm )

woundbobbin Wed 03-Jul-13 11:29:23

I was going to say maybe KIT days are a public sector thing but remembered I have a friend who works in a bank and it was in her contract that she had to do 10 KIT days which she was in a bit of a mood about because she didn't need the money! Anyway mine start next week so this is my last full week at home with dd (boo)
I have found a jogging stroller for £50 on gumtree just across the city am excited at the prospect of running again so hopefully it's a goer.
Hope everyone is well grin

woundbobbin Thu 04-Jul-13 09:13:57

Hello out there grin
Two things
1. How low is your cot to the floor mine is currently on the middle setting IYSWIM I think I need to drop it down before dd can pull herself up but I suppose if I wait for her to do that the 1st time she will do it she will prob do it in the cot & fall out!

2. Are any of you taking DC to weddings this summer. We are going to four dd has been invited to three. Any tips on how to manage I will take her out of the ceremony if noisy etc but thinking should I take books or quiet toys or snacks or none of the above do small children "enjoy" weddings??
Hope everyone well. X

Cavatina Thu 04-Jul-13 11:08:25

ayee wound how nice would it be not to need the money envy.
Cot on middle setting but found her this morning sitting trying to pull herself up so probably will be lowering soon, not sure when as it will mill my back for sure. Decided to monitor development in anticipation.
Have not taken babyCava to weddings so no experience, may be try rice cakes etc but not sure food appropriate in church (if indeed church weddings..). BabyCava is a curious cat and quite vocal so looks around all the time smiling or chatting so I am sure she would enjoy a wedding but not sure the rest of the crowd will...we have some work done in the house wich leavess no floor for her to play, therefore been going to the local children centre, itis nice even though I am rubbish at making friends with the mims (asked one of them who is doing blw whether she has any recipes she has tried for pudding and she looked at me and said, "well babies do not need pudding, and he eats what we do" Felt well and trully chastised hmm. Same mum was asking for help from hv as her son not putting any weight for last three months.. each to their own I say..
is very quiet here, hope everyone is busy and sleeping

woundbobbin Wed 21-Aug-13 20:18:07

Just wondering if anyone is still out there?
If so hope you are all ok and can I ask for advice?
I need to start weaning dd off breast milk early starts & late finishes at work plus a no children allowed wedding far from home which I must go to as bride already a little miffed I can't guarantee a over night stay at the hen. Question is dd has a morning & evening feed (+ overnight but ignore that) so how much milk should I put in her cup? And should I warm it in a saucepan?
Sorry it's such a boring question. grin

Thechick Wed 21-Aug-13 20:55:44

Hey I'm still here!! All is good in this corner. I go back to work in 4 weeks and not looking forward to it at all. H is lovely. He's sleeping well and eating well.

Wrt to how much milk, are you expressing or ff??
I think if ff you should put too much and just let your LO drink until she's done. If expressing, maybe what comes out times 2.

woundbobbin Wed 21-Aug-13 21:40:42

Hello chick grin
I'm going to do cows milk I appreciate not advised before 12 mths but she is almost 11 months & I was just going to add in slowly. (Can't express - nothing comes out. Tried formula dd having none of it - she has had a bit of cows milk likes it on her cereal etc)
Sadly dd still waking up at least twice a night - she has slept for 8 hours in a row once it was amazing fingers crossed for more of that.
I've not massively enjoyed going back to work I'm desperate not to end up staying till 8 at night but its so hard to get away on time!

Cavatina Fri 23-Aug-13 08:19:18

Helloo, I am still around, all well here, lo sleeping 12h nights from 6.30pm (cannot believe my luck, fc it continues..) and on three meals a day. Still bf fist thing and last at night but she is losing interest very quickly. She weaned herself off the after lunch bf so I give her a bottle with formula, drinks about 130ml. Sorry no much help.. but agree with chick would give more and see how she gets on. I postponed returning to work so due back beg Nov and not looking forward to it. But before that going on hols next week! and then a month away to our house abroad. hoping to sort out childcare before then. Are you going for nursery or CM?
wound sounds like progress on sleep front, you will get there I am sure!

Thechick Fri 23-Aug-13 20:34:25

I jinxed myself by saying he was sleeping well. Have had a couple of really crap nights. Boo!
My LO is going to be in nursery 2 days and with me or dh or my mum the others.

woundbobbin Sat 24-Aug-13 20:51:14

Good to know people are still out theregrin
I'm very lucky my parents are doing my childcare i don't think a nursery would take her can't see them pushing her round in the pram for hours to get her to sleep.
I keep telling myself she will sleep soon but the long term sleep deprivation is a killer especially at work! I try not to worry to much especially as she has no teeth yet and I hear sleep is worse when they are teething! Are yours crawling yet mines not people keep telling me not to worry about that I wasn't worrying till I was told not to worrysmile

Cavatina Tue 03-Sep-13 07:42:41

we are crawling very fast. and pulling herself up, but not cruising yet. is a PITA as we are on hols and all floors are tiled...But her feeding gone to pot a bit, seems like she has outgrown all the baby food, will not be spoonfed any longer, will not take any jars or my home made stuff, or porrige, so this morning custard filled croissans, grapes, figs and peach pieces, last night aubergine dip and fried courgettes...night before grilled fish. not sure it is enough though, so trying to up her milk, still bf morning and evening but give her a bottle as well. Oh well, am sure it is a stage, but she cannot use the spoon yet so a bit of a struggle.what do you offer in terms of food?

milk Tue 17-Sep-13 14:48:02

So how is everyone celebrating 1st birthdays?!? grin

woundbobbin Wed 02-Oct-13 09:30:06

Dd was one yesterday we went to

woundbobbin Wed 02-Oct-13 09:30:59

Sorry posted to soon. We went to the aquarium and a farm park she loved it. And she slept from 8.30 last night till 6.30 this morning that's a record yay. grin

ToucanBlack Wed 23-Oct-13 19:54:08

Hello! I was on the October threads and remember lots of you, but I'm a name changer.

DD is turning one on Friday I'm feeling a mixture of shockgrin andsad. This past year has flown by. A year today my waters broke and I was on my way to hospital. Today I'm feeding my beautiful baby girl before she goes to bed, then getting busy making her birthday cake!

We are having family round (for said cake) and going to the Zoo! Can't wait!

How is everyone else celebrating?

Thechick Wed 23-Oct-13 21:03:56

We had a party. It was lovely seeing friends and family. How are all the babies doing, do we have any walkers and any words?

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