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November 2012 - Will the Easter Bunny visit our babies?

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StuntNun Mon 18-Mar-13 08:40:32
StuntNun Mon 18-Mar-13 08:41:34

I'm a bit worried by this. DS1 and DS2 are expecting that J will get an Easter egg but it may not be the ideal first weaning food!

TheDetective Mon 18-Mar-13 09:24:51

Of course J gets an egg for mummy to scoff later duuuuh wink

StuntNun Mon 18-Mar-13 09:41:22

Interesting Detective. I wonder if J prefers Hotel Chocolat eggs?

MadamGazelleIsMyMum Mon 18-Mar-13 09:43:30

Well, I know that in this household, DS prefers creme eggs, and lots of 'em grin

fruitpastilles Mon 18-Mar-13 09:43:56

I hope the Easter bunny doesn't visit S, I fear for my waistline!

PetiteRaleuse Mon 18-Mar-13 09:47:55

J will have to eat it while the others are all asleep. With just the wrapping left to show for it smile

Catbag Mon 18-Mar-13 09:50:25

Seconded. Mummies get all scoffing rights on confectionary until babies are at least a year grin

ChasingDaisy Mon 18-Mar-13 09:52:44

Can he bring sleepy dust?

ValiumQueen Mon 18-Mar-13 11:00:21


StuntNun Mon 18-Mar-13 11:10:26

Poor VQ <pats hair soothingly>

BigPigLittlePig Mon 18-Mar-13 11:17:34

Dh looked a bit embarrassed yesterday when I pointed out it's hotel chocolAT rather than choc-a-lot which he'd been loudly talking about. Bless him.

MissMummy1 Mon 18-Mar-13 11:28:04

I've already eaten 2 easter eggs blush

Pikz Mon 18-Mar-13 11:32:41

MM I've eaten one..

Contradictionincarnate Mon 18-Mar-13 11:46:10

stunt don't feel sorry for vq don't think it was just baby keeping her up!

Contradictionincarnate Mon 18-Mar-13 11:47:54

or rather vq was keeping Mr vq up! wink ...couldn't resist!

YellowWellies Mon 18-Mar-13 11:49:08

stunt messaged you on last thread - extreme sleeplessness, eczema, and colicky behaviour are classic CMPI even without reflux. Can't remember what else I wrote...

I'm going to bulk buy Easter eggs and scoff em in November when I wean the wee man. Sadly though all the ones I've seen have eat by dates in July. Grrrr. Meh on the plus side I am now lighter than my pre-pregnancy weight (though was a bit lardy when got knocked up) still at this rate I'll be my ideal weight in 7 weeks as I'm losing 2lb a week without trying. confused

MM lurgy has left the building and breast milk has cured conjunctivitis (though squirting milk in his eye pissed him off royally!) so yip see you at massage tomorrow xxx

ChunkyChicken Mon 18-Mar-13 11:51:00

Hi all!!

I have missed 2 or 3 threads I think. And only posted briefly & rarely on other threads. I just don't have time for more at the mo except today as I'm stuck in potty training DD & ignoring the housework blush as I just CBA

I just thought that if I was posting elsewhere a lot today, it would be rude not to say Hello to the quiche...

<waves manically> grin

Contradictionincarnate Mon 18-Mar-13 11:52:28

I eat a whole egg last Monday! and two boxes of rabbits ferraro roshie! ...must stop! sad
oh and fruit I couldn't post in the last Fred ...your spin and play was a bargain ...I had to get mine from amazon for 17 quid as I have still given up eBay for lent!

Contradictionincarnate Mon 18-Mar-13 11:53:25

hey chunky you have been missed!!

Pikz Mon 18-Mar-13 11:53:39

Just lost my big long post...

So here is a summary!

Daisy I didn't have a positive thing to say for nearly 8 weeks between weeks 4-12 when I was express feeding. These ladies tolerated and cheered me on day in day out.

In terms of bottles and sterilisers, I make all the days feeds first thing in morning whilst bouncing him in a bouncy chair. Milton tablets and a bucket have changed my world. Scrub bottle dump in bucket, get out, feed and repeat. Change water once a day. Means I don't have to find 6 mins to get the microwave steriliser going.

My other trick is to make casseroles when he naps and cook them during day, cheap healthy food that can be eaten with one hand and a spoon if he's being Velcro.

Don't know if any of this drivel helps!

Now mrs VQ were you up all night due to J or 8 inches ;)

YellowWellies Mon 18-Mar-13 12:07:45

Right I'm looking for a heavy duty baby carrier suitable for hillwalking that is clipped rather than tied and which doesn't put their hips in the wrong position - on which basis I've discounted all baby bjorns. Am I looking at the ergo? Any suggestions?

ValiumQueen Mon 18-Mar-13 12:11:07

J was up three times, DH only the once grin

Lily311 Mon 18-Mar-13 12:11:45

Bit of TMI, sorry. Period arrived first time after giving birth. Is it safe to use mooncup or shall I stick with towels this cycle?

StuntNun Mon 18-Mar-13 12:14:35

I reckon it's fine Lily; there shouldn't be any risk of infection now, that was only during lochia flow.

Brockle Mon 18-Mar-13 12:31:25

am I mean buying books for my boys instead of eggs?

stupid fucking drs have no appointments this week and pot luck for the emergency appointments in the morning if you manage to get through.

on a positive note Y slept through which is first time in about six weeks. grin I will slink away now

PurplePidjin Mon 18-Mar-13 12:35:38

Yw - ergo, beco, rose and rebellion erm... I'll have a think there are loads more!

No easter eggs here, I'm still no chocolate and annoyingly still a stone heavier than this time last year caramacs and cashew nuts just don't cut through the sleep deprivation sad

TooManyDicksOnTheDancefloor Mon 18-Mar-13 12:38:49

Afternoon quiche! After a lot a stress and tears this weekend I have found the reason for all of our feeding problems. Bronwen has a full upper lip tie. Her upper lip doesn't roll back at all, it is completely attached to her gum. I'm amazed she could latch at all, maybe you should check J's mouth too stunt. I now need to get her checked for a posterior tongue tie now. hmm

ValiumQueen Mon 18-Mar-13 12:41:52

dicks never heard of that. Will LO need surgery? What is the plan for feeding? Poor little mite, and poor you x

Donnadoon Mon 18-Mar-13 12:42:02


BigPigLittlePig Mon 18-Mar-13 12:43:27

Is there a growth spurt at 16 weeks???

PurplePidjin Mon 18-Mar-13 12:44:27

Connecta, boba, manduca, patapum, tula smile

ValiumQueen Mon 18-Mar-13 12:46:31

J is not right today. Might be from jags last week, might be building up a problem with formula, but likely he is getting virus we all have. Girls have low grade temp and cough, I have had a cough for a week or so, and J has coughed today and a bit snotty.

ValiumQueen Mon 18-Mar-13 12:47:27

bp 4 month growth spurt/sleep regression starts around then. Sorry.

BigPigLittlePig Mon 18-Mar-13 12:49:20

Bleurgh. She's ravenous. Will stock up on creme eggs & greys anatomy and set myself up on the sofa for the day week

PurplePidjin Mon 18-Mar-13 12:52:48

Dp is resting upstairs

Ds is sparko on me downstairs

Do i risk disturbing dp by doing a transfer? Might get 10 minutes to myself, an hour if it works...

MadamGazelleIsMyMum Mon 18-Mar-13 12:56:25

VQ just read one of your final posts on the last thread and really want to emphasise it to everyone in case it got missed.

Although it is natural to want to withdraw when you are having a shit time (I do this IRL despite knowing it is the last thing I should do), no one should feel like they should withdraw for the benefit of the rest of the quiche. If a poster wants to withdraw for themselves, that's different, but no one should worry about bringing negativity here. We are such a bubble of support and positivity that it is impossible to bring the quiche down. When anyone is feeling down/like crap/negative then that is precisely the time to post. It is amazing how getting replies of sympathy, support and advice from total strangers can be so uplifting.

PR am drooling. May have to bake this arvo now.

dicks your poor DD. Hope you get it sorted quickly.

YW envy at 2lbs a week without trying.

Has applepie posted recently? You were having problems with DP. Hope all ok.

Well, DS and I went for a nice long walk, and I have booked him into the creche at the gym for a couple of sessions this week. Need to get training for my little mountain climb in September.

DH has both DC all day tomorrow, on his own, for the first time as I am doing a KIT day. He claims not to be apprehensive. He's either lying or a fool. Probably both grin

MissMummy1 Mon 18-Mar-13 12:58:08

lily i am also day 1 of my first period since m (explains why I have been a grumpy arse all weekend...). I am a bit miffed, my mum assured me she went a year after each of us when she was ebf. I am ebf, and M doesnt sleep through like we all (alledgedly) did envy

I am going to post a note through dp's bedroom door: "you may be on nights but i am on my period; be nice to me and let me eat chocolate" smile

TooManyDicksOnTheDancefloor Mon 18-Mar-13 13:06:16

I don't know what to do now really YW, I'm waiting for the HV to ring me back. Hopefully it can be snipped but I might need to find a surgeon to do it privately as the NHS won't snip lip ties.

Lily311 Mon 18-Mar-13 13:07:20

smile. My sister got her period back after she stopped breastfeeding. My mum the same. It looks like I got again the shitty gene. O is mixed fed, I guess half and half so I am not surprised. I found out I was pregnant nearly a year ago, on 19th March.

Just got a call from dr, Olivia is referred to st thomas' with her hip. We should get a scan and an appointment with a peadiatric orthopedist this week.

TheDetective Mon 18-Mar-13 13:11:37

Afternooooooooooon! How can I be tired? I am posting to keep me awake. I had 10 fucking hours straight (apart from waking wondering why the little shit darling was still asleep!) sleep!

The house is in need of a good spring clean. I can not motivate myself to do it. The only way I could manage it right now would be if everyone just fucked off out the house for a full day and I could scrub til my hearts content, with no one to disturb me, or fuck up my efforts! I need to clean the windows, the facias, the sofas, the bedding needs washing, the bathroom and kitchen need a good clean. And there is a suspicious shadow inch of dust on top of the dado rails. Oh, and the oven. And the patio needs power washing. I also think he shed needs a good sort out.

On second thoughts, what if I fucked off for the day, and paid someone to do it?! grin.

Anyway... YW You are keen - checking the dates! That made me laugh. Had visions of you manically pulling boxes of easter eggs out, seeing the dates, and throwing them over your shoulder to get to the next lot... grin

I have not yet bought or eaten any eggs. I really really need to not eat any eggs. Really. Feeling very fucking fat right now. In fact, I am going to cheat. And take appetite suppressants. I know if I can get my appetite down, my weight will come down. It has worked before. I also need to stop giving DP an option on the evening meal. He picks the fatty stuff every time. hmm

Chasing I wanted to say the same as VQ et al, negative posts are fine! We aren't just here for the good times! I like a good rant anyway, can't speak for anyone else grin. Don't feel you can't post. Because you bloody well can! In fact, this group has got me through too many turmoils over the last year.

Toomany What is the option now? Can she have it fixed?

BPLP I am hoping 16 weeks does not equal regression. We have had enough regression! I think O would have slept through long before now to be honest, if it wasn't for the whole reflux thing. He was going 8-9 hours before it started, and it is now we seem to be getting somewhere that he has finally properly slept through!

Waves at donna how is your DD doing now?

Brockle not mean! I don't think DS would have noticed when he was younger! I've got myself stuck in the eggy rut now though!

I really need a nap now. I will not have a nap. No. Behave.

PennieLane Mon 18-Mar-13 13:31:25

YW we have a Stokke for 'proper' walking, we walked for hours on hol and it was great.

Haven't been able to keep up. Jealous at weight loss. Is the weight loss thread still going? When I was on it, I did really well and lost 11lbs but have now plateaued and started eating rubbish again for last few weeks and still have 7lbs to go before spring finally arrives! Think it helped with motivation!

ChasingDaisy Mon 18-Mar-13 13:31:34

Would my HV be able to offer me any help?

BigPigLittlePig Mon 18-Mar-13 13:31:34

Sleep is not the problem yet
She's feeding again - and it's good long feeds each time, think 30 minutes rather than 10. She's 16 weeks 2 days.

detective we power-washed our patio, it was a charming shade of slime-black. Turns out it's red and cream underneath, rather nice! Dh now wants to power wash anything he can get his hands on shame those sentiments don't extend to things inside the house

PetiteRaleuse Mon 18-Mar-13 13:31:39

Fucking dog sick. Not surprising with everything he ate during the night but FFS.

Had to mop the sodding floors for the second time today.

LO also vommed on my smart black coat as we were leaving to pick up DD1. It's dry clean only and only came back from cleaner 10 days ago. <weeps>

Seconding what VQ and Gazelle said. This thread is full of fun and laughter when we need that, but full of support too when needed. I don't think many of us can say that we haven't felt the quiche hug from time to time. It's what we are here for. We laugh together, cry together, and pick each other up when we stumble. We also slap each other with mouldy fish when necessary. No-one ever should feel the need to withdraw from the quiche. A time out may help an individual gather thoughts, but the minute you need to call on the quiche you can be sure we will all be here ready to laugh, cry, slap or whatever is needed to help you get back on track.

Lilliana Mon 18-Mar-13 13:32:05

Thanks cat and kirren. Feeling a bit better now, boob is easing, i've had a bit of a cry and now planning to take L outside for a bit if the sun hangs on.

I would prefer books than Easter eggs weirdo

Don't go chasing, we want to support you x

yes, how are you apple?

BigPigLittlePig Mon 18-Mar-13 13:33:07

chasing I would have thought so, and if they can't, they should be able to put you in touch withsome who can.

TheDetective Mon 18-Mar-13 13:36:29

Yes chasing I would have thought so. The can certainly signpost you to services who can help. Perhaps homestart might be able to offer you some help? If someone would come around and play with O once or twice a week, you could get some time to eat/bath/do whatever the fuck you like!

Lilliana Mon 18-Mar-13 13:36:30

Chasing i can't see any harm in talking to your hv. I'm not sure exactly what they will do but sure they will help and support you. Others will have more knowledge than me I'm sure x

TheDetective Mon 18-Mar-13 13:37:11

LMAO at crossposts BP!

Ps. Please send DH here!

TheDetective Mon 18-Mar-13 13:39:25

PR You do know that the quiche I wants the recipe now?!

I want chocolate fudge cake NOWWWWW!

kissyfur Mon 18-Mar-13 13:40:08

Meals I have just cut out things that have affected her the day after i have eaten them. She had a serious reaction to raw onion so I cut those out completely even though I suspect they are ok when cooked. There are probably other things too that will set her off! I haven't cut out dairy because I eat a lot of it and figured if it was that she'd be bad all the time, which she isn't. She doesn't have any of ther other symptoms of it either. Good luck with it! smile

kissyfur Mon 18-Mar-13 13:41:51

Sorry to hear about the lip tie Toomany sad

BigPigLittlePig Mon 18-Mar-13 13:44:36

detective I'm sure a husband-and-power-washer loan could be arranged. Better make sure you have a clean patch of carpet so he can leave his dirty clothes lying around though wink

TheDetective Mon 18-Mar-13 13:46:55

Fuck. I had hatched a cunning plan. I was going to leave O at home with DP while I went to get some food shopping and pick DS up from school. I fancied a bit of peace while shopping. But no. My mum is expecting me to take O in to see her today, for a picture of us all. Crap. Plan gone tits up.

Maybe I'll just make DP go shopping instead!

TheDetective Mon 18-Mar-13 13:48:11

LMAO! I have a picture of me after I pressure washed. I am literally covered head to toe in splats of mud. It was not a pretty picture!

I don't think we have any spare carpet that hasn't been overtaken with dog hair. But I'm sure he can share grin.

TheDetective Mon 18-Mar-13 13:48:55

Oh and my hair looks uber shit today. I need my fringe cutting back in. I have needed it done since O was born. Not had time.

Must find time. It is irritating me now!

BigPigLittlePig Mon 18-Mar-13 13:55:58

Haha, well the 1st weekend he did it, he, me, dsd and F got covered. This weekend I stayed indoors feeding MNing

Lily311 Mon 18-Mar-13 13:58:51

chasing hv def can put you in touch with help. She wanted to refer me for councelling and wanted to set up a meeting with a financial advisor from council but I declined both. She also gave me leaflets about playgroups, etc. Worth trying.

I want cake too.

TheDetective Mon 18-Mar-13 13:59:01

I can't imagine why! grin

TheDetective Mon 18-Mar-13 14:00:40

DP has just had a revelation. Wait for it....

"You know what kitchen roll is also good for, well when you make soup, or beans in the microwave, putting it over the top stops it spitting all over it."

No shit sherlock. Bless him....! hmm

BigPigLittlePig Mon 18-Mar-13 14:02:21

He knows how to use a microwave? shock

PetiteRaleuse Mon 18-Mar-13 14:02:55

Detective www.bbcgoodfood.com/recipes/6652/naughty-chocolate-fudge-cake

I switched the oven off a few mins before the end as I like my chocolate cake to be gooey.

TheDetective Mon 18-Mar-13 14:04:09

I too like my chocolate cake to be gooey. I like my cakes to be soft and bouncy grin.

Yippeee! There may be cake in the Detective household tonight! If I am awake to make it!

BP He knows how to use it. Not how to clean it. Sadly!

PetiteRaleuse Mon 18-Mar-13 14:04:36

Oh and I used butter instead of oil, and much less milk. And in the icing instead of a drop of milk put in a dollop of cream. I don't want fudge cake to be light.

TheDetective Mon 18-Mar-13 14:05:58

Fuck. This is getting more complex! grin

TheDetective Mon 18-Mar-13 14:06:52

I need someone to keep me awake for the next 50 minutes please!

TheDetective Mon 18-Mar-13 14:07:18

Are hairdressers universally closed on mondays?! Fucksake!

PetiteRaleuse Mon 18-Mar-13 14:09:03

Just follow the recipe as is-it has good reviews. Just tweaked it on my mum's advice but I am sure the original is better just right. All Good Food website recipes work.

Contradictionincarnate Mon 18-Mar-13 14:11:58

horendus day dd been crying or grumbling and upset since 10.30!

ValiumQueen Mon 18-Mar-13 14:14:06

Car deposited at car hospital and at dentist with DD1. Awaiting call on cost of repairs. DH at home with baby and DD2. Feel like I am on holiday

TheDetective Mon 18-Mar-13 14:14:54

LOL! I use a few of the good food recipes!

Good news, got the lactose free formula and gaviscon on prescription with no fuss.

I will go and collect it when they ammend it to give me 4 tins, since the 1 tin they have prescribed lasts 2.5 days only! shortly! Yippeee!

BigPigLittlePig Mon 18-Mar-13 14:20:13

50 minutes, that feed was. 30 minutes after the previous 30 minute feed. This doesn't bode well, does it? Fecking growth spurts.

ChasingDaisy Mon 18-Mar-13 14:22:54

Thanks. I will call the HV when I feel up to it.

His whole family now know what has happened. You would have thought at least one of them would think to ask how I am. But no. Nothing.

Contradictionincarnate Mon 18-Mar-13 14:24:38

on the subject of periods I had my first 2nd Feb even though I had been ebf until that ponytail ...maybe I have pmt ...have been baggy to dh all weekend sad
everything he did was winding me up!
dd finally stopped crying! after eating guess I'm stuck to sofa for the foreseeable future don't wanna move as she really needs kip!
feeling sorry for myself and then guilty cos I know what everyone else is going through!

BigPigLittlePig Mon 18-Mar-13 14:25:32

I wouldn't think about it too much chasing - they'll be embarrassed at their sons revolting behaviour.

Don't know how glenda and detective can work in maternity, just watching OBEM, I still haven't been able to watch a single birth without blubbing. Those first newborn cuddles <wipes tears>

ChunkyChicken Mon 18-Mar-13 14:42:22

DD hasn't had a wee accident since yesterday morning & we're only on day 4 desperately crosses fingers at the tempting fate thing although poos are another matter entirely.... smile

An aside, I got my first BFP with DS almost exactly 8mths before he was born (10/03 & 11/11). Seems odd to think that was over a year ago!!

I think my body is trying to start my period. I keep getting pink (excessive) discharge. But still not a period. DS is 18wo & ebf. Sure I had my period by about 17wks with DD despite the fact she was still ebf.

DS is on antibiotics for a chest infection so trying to be patient with the 1 or 2 night feeds but I'm knackered! Hoping once he's well & no more diarrhea with the medicine, he'll go longer at night. Tbf last night was better, 1 feed at 3.30 & waking at 7 but its still not enough sleep!!

Contradictionincarnate Mon 18-Mar-13 14:55:32

she keeps waking and crying I'm not gonna have much left in the way of nips by the end of the day sad

PurplePidjin Mon 18-Mar-13 15:13:06

Think we're Gearing up for one too. Up since 5, slept 11-12, 12:30-1:15, and is asleep on me now. Little sod better have a good night, I've got an interview in the morning. I'm just about coping with the same sleep chicken's struggling with 10 hours with 2 wakings. I really won't feel comfortable leaving him with dp and the homestart lady if he's grottering.

Hv can signpost, Chasing but i found sure start much less wankbadgersome more proactive smile

Pikz Mon 18-Mar-13 15:21:24

Feel dizzy. Just blew up playnest.

Have a 20% off code of anyone wants?

MissMummy1 Mon 18-Mar-13 15:22:28

I am sat outside my old school in a blizzard waiting to pick my DSis up. She is 18 on Sunday and going to have M for an hour tonight. She is a fairly mature teenager when she isnt being a dick to my parents. Is this a stupid idea? Both DP and I are a 10 min phonecall away. I will be out an hour max. She looked after Tilly for a whole day when I was ill, but then I was in the house too confused

Contradictionincarnate Mon 18-Mar-13 15:30:05

yes please pikz though dh will probably not let me sad

Contradictionincarnate Mon 18-Mar-13 15:31:41

mm1 I would say yes especially if lo is quiet calm when you leave though must say I was worried about my dsis looking after dd for an hour she is 30 in Sept but behaves like she is 18 sometimes...

PetiteRaleuse Mon 18-Mar-13 15:32:44

OK we're on day three of fussiness. Not eating as much as usual, settles with paracetamol but don't want to give that all the time. No evidence or ear ache or tummy pain. No fever. DD1's first tooth came through at about 9months so was late, but there doesn't seem to be much sign of teething either - no red cheeks etc. Only drank 600 yesterday, we're only at 360 ml so far today...

Urgh I am stuck in London at the cf centre with DS1, annual review day and we had just one more dr to see (who is taking for eternity) J is with my sister, it's the first time I've left him for a whole day and my boobs are like over inflated beach balls! Wah! confused

LuisGarcia Mon 18-Mar-13 15:39:26

I blew up the playnest yesterday. L hasn't been in it yet, as J thinks it's for him and doesn't want to get out. confused

ChunkyChicken Mon 18-Mar-13 15:50:26

Frivolous question; when do they learn to roll?

DS rolls on to his side in his cot/for a feed but generally shows no inclination towards it elsewhere. DD rolled at 16wks (13wks first time accidentally, about 9wks went on her side). Was she just early so my perspective is skewed?

He has tummy & play mat time, he sits up well, with minimal support. He chats away, with a range of noises. But just can't be bothered to roll!!!

Pikz Mon 18-Mar-13 15:55:59

Contra.... It www.galttoys.com/introoffer

You sign up for new letter and get 20% off.

LO been asleep 3.5 hours!! I hope he sleeps tonight!

ValiumQueen Mon 18-Mar-13 16:01:24

£620. Fuck. sad

BigPigLittlePig Mon 18-Mar-13 16:15:15

Another feed. And when she's awake, if she cannot see my face, that apparently signals the end of the world as we know it and triggers a total meltdown.

No signs of rolling, back to front, onto sides or any other way here. Who needs to roll when you can stand on mummys lap?

Contradictionincarnate Mon 18-Mar-13 16:16:23

pikz ...link doesn't work sad
no rolling here either!

Lily311 Mon 18-Mar-13 16:28:05

Here neither. O is 17 weeks tmrw.

ChasingDaisy Mon 18-Mar-13 16:31:08

Today has shown me that I really can't do it. I'm just not strong enough. He has had to take him for a couple of hours so I can manage to get something to eat. O gave him the biggest smile - he was so happy to see him. He was so happy when he came back home from seeing him yesterday too. He would be better off staying with him and his family. They can give him everything I can't. It's a warm, happy home, all he has with me is someone who can't stop crying

Bryzoan Mon 18-Mar-13 16:34:40

yw I am completely besotted with my boba 3G. Gives great support as has a higher back than the ergo, also has a hood (great for sending him to sleep or protect from the rain) and adjustable stirrups to keep good hip position as they grow. Don't need stirrups yet for g but do use them when I carry dd in it. Both g and dd love it. It is also lovely to wear. It really is an awesome bit of kit. I got mine from b2boutique which I have a 5% code for if you want it. They sell other structured carriers too.

Lily - good news re scan at st thomas. Hope they fit you in soon. Fingers crossed for a false alarm.

Chasing - it is awful but it sounds like you can't expect support from his family. Call the hv or womens aid and get some advice on where you can get support. It is just as important that you eat as little one does. You need to look after yourself now more than ever for both your sakes. X

Bloody lucky escape here today. Dropped dd at nursery then went round waitrose. Got back to find my car key still in the ignition. Thank fuck the car was still there complete with contents. I blame sleep depravation. was up in the night but not with it enough to read let alone post.

Poor G has been properly screaming alot today. V out of character. Don't think I've eaten anything unusual - possibly too much caffeine. The thought of cutting back on that petrifies me shock

Have to make an Easter bonnet for dd's nursery Easter party on Friday. Eek!

Sophiathesnowfairy Mon 18-Mar-13 16:35:07

Appetite suppressants detective are they legal?

mm vests on their merry way.

I am still on a constant period sad I empathise. Tell me your woes. I will just stay at the period table and people can come and see me then move on. And I will stay here.

I am seeing the DR again tomorrow, and I have asked DH to seriously think about the snip as it is possible I won't be able to be sterilised. S I have a triple appointment tomorrow. I need to be referred for a hearing test as DD2 is having some probs, a mole on my back and the sterilisation. hmm

Bryzoan Mon 18-Mar-13 16:40:47

Chasing you are wrong about that. Really. Your baby needs you. It is totally natural for you not to be able to stop crying right now. But you will get over it. Really. You honestly totally can do this I am sure. But you do need to get a support network that doesn't involve your ex in place. Any of us would need that in your position. Please just give yourself a bit of a break and some respect for what you are achieving. And don't give up on your ability to care for your little man. He is the most important thing and always will be.

justonemorecake Mon 18-Mar-13 16:41:31

Not posted for a few days...was feeling sorry for myself for no particular reason and didn't want to be me me me. E slept really well for her last night and suddenly everything seems so much better today!

vq sorry to hear the car is going to cost so much. I hate unexpected expenses.

stunt sorry to hear about all the feeding problems. I hope you find an answer. I also feel that whenever I go to the GP about feeding issues they just humour me and think I'm a paranoid mother.

pr the cake looks amazing. I love baking but I've hardly had chance since E was born. I did make a raspberry and almond cake the other day which was pretty tasty - also a Good Food recipe.

BP I've also been wondering if there is a 16 week growth spurt. E is feeding a lot more than usual at the moment. She has always fed a lot more than other babies seem to but the past couple of days it's been nearly every hour. She does seem to just snack though rather than taking long feeds.

MadamGazelleIsMyMum Mon 18-Mar-13 16:42:17

chasing you are his mummy. His only mummy. No one, no one can replace you. Of course you are crying at the moment. Of course LO is happy to see Daddy. That doesnt mean anything more than that. No one can replace you and your DS needs you most of all.

justonemorecake Mon 18-Mar-13 16:42:51

Also, E still hasn't rolled, and hasn't really looked close to doing so. I wondered if its because she's quite a chubby baby!

Sophiathesnowfairy Mon 18-Mar-13 16:49:09

chasing O needs you. He doesn't care if you are crying. You have been through a really tough time and it is understandable that you will cry but you can do it. We all have days with a Velcro baby, and sometimes all of us feel worn down, can't get time to go to the loo or have a bite to eat, it doesn't make us not able to do it, it makes us normal.

Right now, I have had to put O in his cot, he is crying, but I really needed the loo. He is safe,fed, clean, he just wants to sit on my knee every day from about 3:45 and gets cross.

You are a wonderful caring mum who can do it and do not let anyone quash your self esteem and make you think you can't.

justonemorecake Mon 18-Mar-13 16:49:54

chasing I'm really sorry to hear about everything you've been going through. I can't add anything more useful that hasn't already been said, but you can do it, and O does need you.

Sophiathesnowfairy Mon 18-Mar-13 16:50:25

I am going to come and bop your P on the nose chasing

GTbaby Mon 18-Mar-13 16:56:13

hello everybody. remember me ??? lol

so india is lovely and hot now. LO is loving it. he loves sitting outside and feeling the breeze on his face. at first he looked very shocked at this sensation, but seems to be getting used to it.

we have both been bitten by mosquitos sad LO has been ok though, however my bite on my eye lid got so swollen that i couldn't open my eye! will put a pic on FB soon as i remember to have the laptop and camera in one place.

MS has been better here, had 4 sick episodes , one of which was on the place [very embarrassing!]. still haven't told ppl here i'm PG! they will be shocked [as was i, haha]

looking forward to our scan when i get back, then i will feel properly PG lol, as if the puking hasn't bought it home.

anyway off to bed night night

[dont worry, im back in two weeks lol]

MadamGazelleIsMyMum Mon 18-Mar-13 16:59:50

Nice to hear from you GT!

Contradictionincarnate Mon 18-Mar-13 17:01:04

chaising I second what everyone has said! O needs his mummy... I get upset as dd doesn't smile at me more at dh but I think its because it goes without saying ...and she spends more time with me so takes forgranted I will always be there! babies need their mummies ...especially O in your situation he needs your calming influence.
have also noticed dd treats me the same whether I'm crying or in a good mood! wink
that's not to say you don't deserve a break either though ...

Contradictionincarnate Mon 18-Mar-13 17:03:45

yeah nice to hear from you gt glad your ms is better out there ...bring some sunshine back with you too!? smile

ChunkyChicken Mon 18-Mar-13 17:22:48

Chasing I'm catching up so bear with me... Having read your FB entry, you are doing the right thing. However, it doesn't mean you can't grieve for what you've lost, the man you thought you loved, the "traditional family unit" and all the other things. You are in a shocking situation & may well be depressed too. You will go through all the emotions of grieving. BUT that doesn't mean you can't cope or LO is better off w/out you. He wants his Daddy obviously but its best for your DS if you are his primary carer in the long-run. Let's face it, your P can't be a very balanced, mentally healthy individual ideal for bringing up a child if he did what he did to you... He may deserve/be entitled to access but nobody will be O's Mummy. Give yourself a break & some time to move on. You will feel better & O won't even remember this period of time later on.

Pikz Mon 18-Mar-13 17:33:48

Chasing if it makes you feel any better I am sat on a small stall rocking a pushchair with my foot desperately needing a wee. If I stop rocking he cries.

O needs you... And you can do it... Babies are Velcro it's their nature and if your ExP had him all day it would be the same.

Pikz Mon 18-Mar-13 17:40:11

Hello GT! Glad all is well!

Contradictionincarnate Mon 18-Mar-13 17:40:23

chasing what pikz said ... and I am also sitting with dd asleep on me last time she woke and I thought we would play and I could put her down ...but no she started wailing and only boob would stop her I need a wee too and a poo

Pikz Mon 18-Mar-13 17:47:04

Contra sorry about link... Leftlet in with playnest just have that link hmm

Wee and a poo is bad though the worst is being thirsty and unable to move.

ChasingDaisy Mon 18-Mar-13 17:50:43

I know I am being silly as daytime has always been like this, but when he got home from work I had chance to make dinner, do housework etc. Evenings is his most unsettled time - as it probably is for most babies. I am also missing the hour I had in the morning before he went to work where I could shower and make the feeds for the day. I just need to figure out a new routine I guess.

As somebody said, I am also grieving the loss of my relationship, family life and the future I had planned. I am also still in pain from The Incident and am worried about the legal. crap that is to come. I am also bloody lonely. The only adult conversation I will have all week is baby group on weds.


Rolling - O started rolling front to back at ten weeks and did back to front once by accident. He now thinks this is boring so has given up and prefers trying to sit up by himself and also flapping around like a mermaid.

He also chats less but has started making purring noises.

He has also started stroking scratching my face in the morning when we wake up which is lovely smile. Could do without the hair grabbing mind.

ChasingDaisy Mon 18-Mar-13 17:51:22

Sorry pikz I think an imminent poo is the worst..

ChasingDaisy Mon 18-Mar-13 17:53:02

Oh and now I'll have to buy my own easter egg. Although I suppose it is my mummy duty to buy one for O...

Catbag Mon 18-Mar-13 18:26:47

GT! We've missed you! Glad the ms is better. C'mon, what's the temp out there at the moment? Make me envy as I look outside at the farking snow. How many weeks are you now? H was looking more handsome than ever in the FB pics you posted a bit ago. Looking forward to your return smile

VQ Fuck. I thought it might be around that as slipping clutches are not cheap to fix. My Volvo had one about ten years ago and they are really difficult to get to in those cars. You actually have to take the engine out to get to it. Was cheaper to scrap it and buy a new one. There's never a good time for this to happen, but really, car ishoos should fuck off now sad

Catbag Mon 18-Mar-13 18:40:45

chasing I don't think my DH would correct me if I called him shockingly useless and domestically rubbish. He (like me) is about to complete his degree and is either at uni or else sitting for 17 hours a day at his computer (no exaggeration). My point is, at times most of the time I feel like a single parent. Believe me, not getting time to do stuff is part and parcel of being a mum and NOT in anyway indicative of any shortcomings on your part. We all struggle to find time to do what needs doing, but it does get easier, no matter how endless it feels at the moment. We muddle through best we can, even though we all have bleak moments where we feel like we must be doing a crap job. I think that your confidence has been knocked so badly that you are finding it difficult to trust your instincts. Don't panic. That will come with time.

Of course O is pleased to see his father. He does not comprehend what has happened. It is just another face that he is familiar with. You are not depriving him of something/one that he desperately needs. As others have said, he will not remember this period. I for one think that is a better situation than O's earliest memories being his mother getting knocked about. This is hard, but this too shall pass and there will come a point where suddenly every day becomes a little easier, and we will be here the whole time x

BigPigLittlePig Mon 18-Mar-13 18:50:11

Thirst is a bad one. I have a sports bottle with squash in it 24/7, imagine my horror mid-feed today to discover it had run out. Have also had to deposit baby in the cot today whilst I, erm, deposit something else.

chasing I suspect O would really really like the nicest, scrummiest Hotel Chocolat egg you can find obviously for him, like

ValiumQueen Mon 18-Mar-13 18:51:28

[Cat] I nearly cried when she told me. I need to ask my parents for the money as we cannot afford it. I hate doing that.

*chasingdaisy] I have fresh fish, as we are going to need a few for you I think smile

1. Nobody in the whole world, past present or future, could possibly be a better person to care for your baby.

2. You are the strong one, he is the weak one. He lost it with you, and assaulted you in a very serious manner. That makes him pathetically weak. Hopefully he can still be a good father to O, but he has proved you are too good for him as a partner, and NO WAY ON EARTH should he be the primary care giver. He fucked up, not you.

3. You mentioned a while back you thought the depression was back? Have you seen a GP? Have you started on meds? If not, then that must be top priority for tomorrow. I am concerned about your mental health sweetheart thanks

4. You are young. You are beautiful. You are a wonderful loving caring mummy. You do not deserve what happened. It was not your fault. You will be happy again one day if you give yourself the chance to be x

ValiumQueen Mon 18-Mar-13 18:52:01

Well I really fucked up with the highlighting there!

Sophiathesnowfairy Mon 18-Mar-13 19:07:41

Fuckity fuck vq roll on sweary Wednesday that is a lot of money. thanks

Lily311 Mon 18-Mar-13 19:12:04

Can you pass me that fish of yours vq so I can slap chasing hard?

I am not going to repeat what was said, I do agree with everyone. If you think depression is back, pls get some help from gp. Evenings are hard but they will get easier.

vq sorry for car troubles. That's a lot of money.

ChasingDaisy Mon 18-Mar-13 19:14:14

VQ I nearly cried when I read that.

I think the depression may be back - don't think I can blame this low mood solely on lack of sleep. My GP is wonderful. Yes I should see her soon. Wary about meds again though.

Lack of rl support is my main issue I think. I literally have nobody to turn to. Building a support network needs to be a priority.

kirrinIsland Mon 18-Mar-13 19:16:50

VQ shock I hate cars.

Hi GT glad the ms is easing. Enjoy the rest of your time out there smile

chasing it is only natural to be tearful at the moment. It is huge thing that has happened to you - you are not going to get over it in a couple of days. Some one has already mentioned Homestart, which is a great idea. Re adult conversation, you need to find more groups! I know baby groups can be boring as hell but it gets you out of the house and it's the best place to meet new friends.

I haven't had an Easter egg in years and I don't need one, I am single handedly keeping cadburys afloat at the mo

ChasingDaisy Mon 18-Mar-13 19:17:43

<accepts fishy slaps>

<pulls self together>

<notices self now smells of wet fish>

<shrugs and ignores said smell>

Evilwater Mon 18-Mar-13 19:44:11

Another thread, we can talk. Chasing I second what VQ said, is that a fish a smell??

n has rolled over for the first time today. grin he has still been very Grumpy. Why does he have to have that high pitch whine that grates!!! I can't wait to start weaning.

He was sleeping all night, but now he wakes up three times a night. Is there a 5 month regression? We were doing so well.... sad


Catbag Mon 18-Mar-13 19:48:28

Embrace the fish smell, chasing! hmm, sounds a bit wrong, that

PetiteRaleuse Mon 18-Mar-13 19:53:46

Only 28 hours til sweary Wednesday.

Evilwater Mon 18-Mar-13 19:55:36

So tired..... Yes it is, a fish smell.

Donnadoon Mon 18-Mar-13 19:58:01

Hello everyone DD fine thanks detective she coming on a treat.. I don't post much but read every single day without fail...love it !!!
Good to hear from GT envy
Chasing I'm sorry to hear of your troubles and I've nothing to add that hasn't already been said except " Get yourself to the hair/beauty salon even if you think it's the last thing you want or can afford it really will make you feel better and able to face the world..your boy needs you to be strong and Kick Ass !"

YellowWellies Mon 18-Mar-13 19:58:52

Good fish slapping there quiche. You rock. And so Daisy do you - even if you're a bit fish slapped. If O stayed with your DP guess who would become his punch bag and object of constant undermining soul-destroying criticism? O that's who. Of course with his extended family to help your ex makes it seem a breeze (he's doing this on purpose to undermine your confidence, as he's done for months) but really on a screechy weepy Velcro baby day could you trust him with your precious wee one? No. To O you are perfection - go see your doc hon. Your mental health has also been a victim of this relationship - its time to rebuild it slowly and gently xxxxx

Catbag Mon 18-Mar-13 19:59:06

Not sure I'll last 28 hours grin / sad

Catbag Mon 18-Mar-13 20:00:37

Hey donna! Nice to hear from you smile

Donnadoon Mon 18-Mar-13 20:03:03

Yay Cat ill not leave this quiche ever !!

Catbag Mon 18-Mar-13 20:03:09

evil Is N not sleeping well?

Catbag Mon 18-Mar-13 20:04:37

Ha ha donna The quiche has you in its sticky grip.. you will never escape!


kissyfur Mon 18-Mar-13 20:08:17

Chasing I also second what everyone has said smile re: depression meds, don't be scared of taking them if your GP thinks they would help, you don't have to take them forever and if they enable you to deal with things then so be it. I've been on anti d's before and they really helped me get through a tough time in my life. CBT therapy is also worth a try. Sending hugs x

Contradictionincarnate Mon 18-Mar-13 20:09:05

my soup is cold am in tears what a shit day feel like a shit mother text my mum for sympathy she just said dd is hungry that will be me in 30 years...
I really hope this is pmt

Evilwater Mon 18-Mar-13 20:16:15

Yes he isn't sleeping well. I have no idea what's the matter. He wakes for a feed and a nappy change and it takes ages for him to go back to sleep.
My mum says he has a cold, but no temp or bunged up nose. The ladies at baby group said it could be his teeth, but calpol and teething gel don't seem to help.

Could he be hungry and need food?
So I'm stuck.
Any thing welcomed.

Catbag Mon 18-Mar-13 20:17:42

Oi contra! <administers medicinal fish slap>

You are awesome.

Is LO being velcro baby with the feeding? Tell us what's going on with you. <hugs>

In 30 yrs time, you will be more sympathetic than your mother. Guarantee it. If only because you will remember how crappy that kind of reaction made you feel x

Evilwater Mon 18-Mar-13 20:18:31

Oh no contra, you are a good mum. We all have bad days, have a hot cuppa and to bed early. It should make you feel better


Evilwater Mon 18-Mar-13 20:20:02

Contra- you are not your mum. Hugs!!


Catbag Mon 18-Mar-13 20:25:41

Colds and teething can present in similar ways evil, without necessarily any external symptoms (like when you've got a headachd). Not very helpful, I know. I would try more milk to start with, and work from there. Could he be having a growth spurt/ developmental leap?

itsnotyouitsmeals Mon 18-Mar-13 20:28:34

daisy it's all been said but remember YOU called the police. Many women can't find that strength. You can do it. ((Hugs))

stunt how is J now?

yw thanks for advice. Just been given ranitidine for I. Have fingers crossed it works. Can they test babies for allergies? I had loads as a kid including cmpi and my brother was lactose intolerant. As am veggie soy is a big part of my diet...

Hugs to everyone having a hard time. vq we need a new car door after someone broke the lock and punctured the door this weekend. You have my sympathies.

Sorry to those I've missed.

Evilwater Mon 18-Mar-13 20:29:28

Cat- he could be having a growth spurt. I didn't think about that blush thanks cat. I'm very tired, I thought that he would stay sleeping all night.

Contradictionincarnate Mon 18-Mar-13 20:32:54

thanks evil and catbag I wasn't fishing ... for the fish
today I can't imagine it ever getting any easier! don't know how any of you have got more than one.
today wasn't sure at all what was wrong just a morning of grumping or crying ... that's one of the reasons I think I'm crap I couldn't work it out took me about 2 hrs to get her to sleep I really thought she needed it then she was waking and crying ... fed her before dh got home at circa 5.30 and she was crying badly again about 40 mins ago then I realised how much time had passed and she must be hungry again...am really loosing sympathy with her!
don't want to be self pitying but like a few have said it helps to get it out !
I love my mum don't get me wrong and at times like this ...like when I have always been ill I need and want her sympathy ...seems like I was the perfect baby though slept though at 6 weeks may not be true but that's how she sees it so its hard for her!
boy that fist has got a work out today!
what's worse is that atleast when she was a newborn there was hope of things getting better starting not to believe that now ... hoping its the wonder weeks leap and things will change soon!! sad

ValiumQueen Mon 18-Mar-13 20:35:56

chasing your MH was not great before the shit hit the fan. The meds will not solve things, but will help raise your mood to help you cope a bit better with everything. As a new mum you are one of the most precious people in society as you need to be looked after to look after your baby. There will be lots of support out there, but you need to be telling the right people in RL.

YellowWellies Mon 18-Mar-13 20:37:46

Meals the NHS doesn't tend to test unless there is a risk of anaphylaxis. You could get a private appointment to test. To be honest just cut soy out for a week and you'll know the answer one way or another. It is hard to avoid soy sad I've been told to avoid too much regardless of intolerance as DS is a boy and soy has gender bending qualities at this age. Hence we use oat or coconut milk. Your wee one is a girl isn't she so from that front its less of a worry. Try the meds if no joy then look at soy.

Pikz Mon 18-Mar-13 20:38:07

Contra...listen to the wise cat bag. She knows it.

You are doing an ace job as is evil and chasing and all of us.

I too had a day that unless asleep or eating he whinged about nothing at all except it felt like that he had to spend the day with mummy. I went to gym this evening and he is all smiles for daddy!

VQ you may start swearing now...flipping heck sad

Hugs to all thanks sounds like some crappy days all round.

Evilwater Mon 18-Mar-13 20:45:59

Pikz- thanks.

I'm off to bed, I'm shattered. Nite

Catbag Mon 18-Mar-13 20:46:38

evil Classic sign of growth spurt that. Def try more food. Hope you get some sleep tonight!

contra This nice new fish that vq provided seems to be sliding around the quiche with a life of its own, ha ha! I know how you feel re your mother- mine was always of the 'don't be such a primadonna, you really don't have it that bad, you are making a fool of yourself' response. What she forgets is that I was aged 12 when my eldest brother was born and 15 when the younger one came along- many times I paced around in the middle of the night cuddling a brother so that she could get the sleep that she needed or took one of them off to another room so she could eat in peace. Never got a thank you for that, now I think about it Point is, if you asked her now she would prob have no recollection of that and would give the impression of having coped brilliantly. I haven't spoken to her since 2006 so I can't really test that theory, but still grin

We all get to the point where we feel like we are on our knees and if LO has been screaming for a while, it is very easy to forget that they are probably getting to the point where food is due again. We have all done it! Be a bit kinder to yourself! Remember the mantra... grin

Catbag Mon 18-Mar-13 20:52:21

VQ I am sure that no one would object if you wanted to begin sweary wednesday early, but I get the impression that you are less sweary and more sad...? Hope you are ok. How is J today?

BigPigLittlePig Mon 18-Mar-13 21:07:58

I pop out for 2 hours and you fill 3 pages?!

It rather sounds like we're heading for tearful Tuesday, sounds as though there are lots of us struggling at the moment. Thank god for quichey goodness.

chasing please phone gp tomorrow, even if that's the only thing you manage (other than the million and one O-related things of course) - the sooner you can get help, the quicker you can start to tackle the depression teaching granny to suck eggs again no doubt

Catbag Mon 18-Mar-13 21:13:00

Er sorry*BPLP*, that was probably mostly me blush

BigPigLittlePig Mon 18-Mar-13 21:17:55

I had noticed your name once or twice cat wink

I know people say it's great with a young baby, you can take them with you if you go out in the evening, they'll sleep anywhere...well this babys "sleep anywhere" bit is broken. She's only now starting to feed to sleep, 2 hours later than usual. We have a wedding on Saturday....

In other totally useless news, 1 year ago today was the 1st day of my last period.

Pikz Mon 18-Mar-13 21:18:23

Must stop eating chocolate must stop eating chocolate must stop eating chocolate must stop eating chocolate

horseylady Mon 18-Mar-13 21:20:53

Erm very little clue what's happening sorry. Life catching up with me!!

Welcome newbies,
vq fuck about car. My clutch needs replacing. Cost very similar sad fucking cars.

det how's o?

pr happy birthday to dd1!!!

E squealing, blowing raspberries, rolling, moving his walker and thinking about crawling. Can't be left anywhere without moving. Rsv seems to be getting better. Touch wood!!!

ChasingDaisy Mon 18-Mar-13 21:22:26

Just had a horrible phone call with Him. He's talking about overnight visits and taking him for a whole day at the weekend sad. He said if I tell my gp I have depression again and the reason we have split then they will take O away from me. He said everything leading up to what happened is my fault. He said I either let him take O to his mums tomorrow evening or he gets to spend the whole of Saturday with him. Like fuck he is angry

This is going to get really really nasty. All I need is a fucking hug. You should be able to buy hugs.

ChasingDaisy Mon 18-Mar-13 21:24:32

Tomorrow's plan.

1. Phone GP.

2. Grow some balls and man up.

3. Tell my boy how much I love him.

BigPigLittlePig Mon 18-Mar-13 21:25:58

chasing thats a whole pile of crap

LuisGarcia Mon 18-Mar-13 21:26:38

He said if I tell my gp I have depression again and the reason we have split then they will take O away from me.

eh? No they won't. What a shitbird

BigPigLittlePig Mon 18-Mar-13 21:27:55

Nobody will take O from you for being low.
O is too young for overnight stays away from the main caregiver - not fair on him so ex-p can go fuck himself. Ditto more than a few hours away from you.
What happened is not your fault, it was his fists, his hands, his temper that caused this.

BigPigLittlePig Mon 18-Mar-13 21:29:49

PM detective your ex-ps current address - she'll give him a taste of his own medicine. You are so much better off without him sweets, he's being such a wankbadger. Just remember he has no god given right to take O when he feels like it.

ChasingDaisy Mon 18-Mar-13 21:32:08

Contra thanks and wine. I have been in the same cycle - try to settle O to sleep. Takes so long he is then hungry again. But I don't know if he is crying through hunger or tiredness.

You just sound a bit worn down by it all, which is completely understandable. We were all told that the hard part would be over by now - that magic 12 week mark we were all looking forward to. Have you decided on a plan of attack for the daytime sleeps?

Pikz Mon 18-Mar-13 21:32:14

Daisy. Crock of shit. Don't let him scare you. Mothers have all priority and rights in these situations esp when not married.

Horsey glad to hear rsv improvements! No wonder your so busy with a constantly moving target....he will be off before you know it!

ChasingDaisy Mon 18-Mar-13 21:35:42

Thanks everyone. Don't worry, I know that what he said is complete shit. 1 in 10 mums get PND -- according to Loose Women today-- . There are not 1 in 10 mums living without their babies.

I told him no way to overnights and full weekend days.

Oh and when I reminded him of the reason for us being in this situation, he told me to 'Get over it'. Tosspot.

Catbag Mon 18-Mar-13 21:35:56

chasing Ignoring the fact that it is not sweary wednesday...

What an utter bastard. He is doing it again, undermining your confidence, trying to bully you and feed you bullshit to control you. I am fucking raging on your behalf right now angry

Speaking to the doctor WILL NOT put you indanger of losing O. Not at all. He doesn't want a fucking paper trail, to have it written anywhere that he is domestically violent, and he is picking things to throw at you so that you will be frightened and do as you are fucking told. HE DOES NOT GET TO DICTATE TERMS. He has no fucking moral highground and I am deeply fucking irritated that he has no qualms about arbitrarily throwing scary threats about. His family will be terrified that you are going to upsticks and do one with O (personally, I think that idea has a lot going for it) and is probably putting a lot of pressure on him to make sure that they get to see O too.

I am so angry. I'd like to see how fucking 'manly' he would be with half a dozen members of the quiche standing in front of you at the flat.

Catbag Mon 18-Mar-13 21:37:53


Catbag Mon 18-Mar-13 21:38:55

He's given me fucking Turrets.

ChasingDaisy Mon 18-Mar-13 21:44:10

Turrets? He gave you castles? grin
You summed up my feelings eloquently there Cat, particularly about the paper trail. That is exactly what he is afraid of. Tosser is trying to frighten me. Tried to tell me that I shouldnt tell the GP, HV etc the reasons I need extra help right now.

BigPigLittlePig Mon 18-Mar-13 21:46:04

grin catbag you expressed my thoughts rather well.

BigPigLittlePig Mon 18-Mar-13 21:47:26

LOL at idea of angry quiche-mob with pitchforks and the like, hunting him down and giving him what for. Hormonal women are a force to be reckoned with.

Catbag Mon 18-Mar-13 21:49:47

<still raging>

<in my castle>

<Catbag Castle>

< grin >

kissyfur Mon 18-Mar-13 21:51:56

Well said cat!

Love the idea of us all scaring him off! He's just trying to frighten you chasing because HE is frightened! He knows what he's done is going to catch up with him. Well, he should be scared!

Kyzordz Mon 18-Mar-13 21:52:47

Tried to catch up swiftly. chasing don't listen to him. Honestly he can't do that. You're doing brilliantly, you really are. He is being an utter fuckball and it is up to YOU when he has O. I know O loves his dad, and smiles at him but he needs you. e smiles at me the least and LOVES his dad to bits and always smiles. But the quiche made me believe that he cries at me cos I am his mummy and they cry at us to let us know they need or want something and it's us they want it from. You're doing so well, and O loves you, he does :D

contra we all feel like that some days. Some days I've wished it was tomorrow. Some days I've felt like I cannot do this and have made a mistake thinking I ever could. Thing is, the fact we question it is what makes us good mummies smile if we weren't bothered about our LO's then it wouldn't worry us that we couldn't do it quiche told me that too. It will be okay, on grumpy days (and I'm sure we've all had bad days/grumpy baby days?) focus on getting to tomorrow. Sometimes we cannt work out why LO is crying, but it doesn't mean you don't know what you're doing, it means you haven't figured out what is wrong at that particular time. No biggy, we've all been there. It could be something as simple as an annoying fucking itch they can't scratch?! You go through the list, mentally, and do your best at figuring it out. You're trying, which means you CAN do it. If you just thought fuck this and left LO to it and turned music up then that would be different. Am shit with words but hopefully you get the gist!

Hope good nights are had by all tonight smile I am trying so hard to keep up but it's not been easy the past few days!

I missed you chunky!
cake looks awesome pr

Erm. Everyone doing ok?

Bryzoan Mon 18-Mar-13 21:53:16

Chasing - he really is a revolting piece of work. At least he is making it easy to see that. I thnk you should add calling the womens aid helpline to your list (or better still call them now). They might be able to point you at some real life support in your area. I'm so sorry you're having to go through this. But please know you're not alone. We all care hugely even though we are just a quiche in a handbag. Big hugs. X

Contradictionincarnate Mon 18-Mar-13 21:53:48

thanks chasing for the wine and sympathy as twer ...you have always been so lovely on here all the while putting up with that twat he is such a control freak ... and seems like he just likes manipulating you.
I think my best plan regarding lo is to try to get out soon as it gets too much to put her in pram and just walk til she calms ... would help my fat arse too!! just wish weather would get warmer though and I can't be arsed to get myself presentable and there is no where really to walk too... just one shop or this wood trail but same sights ...I'm very easily bored. I was looking fwd to a chilled day today in trackies playing with our new lamaze spin and explore (she doesn't think much of that either!) ... dd had other ideas!
what's your plan of attack chasing ...
as usual I am indebted to this quiche and more grateful than I can explain! smile

ValiumQueen Mon 18-Mar-13 21:56:24

cat I think sad about sums it up. I have tried so hard with the feeding and just at the time when it should all be getting easier it has all gone wrong. He is completely refusing one boob and fighting the other - tried to feed him at bedtime and he got in a right state then downed 220mls of formula. I think for my sanity I need to stop and draw a line.

He has a cold, slight temp and cough. Just hope he keeps on top of it.

And as for the car. Fuck! But hey, better than getting wiped out on the motorway.

I need to start counting my blessings. I have a husband with a gorgeous dick, three lovely kids, my health, a job, a home, and a wider family. I will move forward with a bottle of formula in one hand and a bottle of wine in the other :-)

BigPigLittlePig Mon 18-Mar-13 21:57:49

Ooh bottle of wine vq envy

ChasingDaisy Mon 18-Mar-13 21:58:09

I have limited walking routes here too contra - a park with no path or just round the houses. Can't bloody wait until summer.

My plan of attack for now is to sleep. Then phone gp first thing in the morning. I can't think too far ahead as it is too overwhelming. Hour by hour, day by day..

ChasingDaisy Mon 18-Mar-13 21:59:39

grin at gorgeous dick VQ

And on that note, goodnight all. See you in ooh...about an hour!

kirrinIsland Mon 18-Mar-13 21:59:58

chasing I'm speechless shock The nerve of the man.

horsey sounds like E is raring to go! Like mother like son?!

Right, N is asleep. I'm off to bed. Night all smile

Contradictionincarnate Mon 18-Mar-13 22:05:06

vq nice last paragraph ...think I should take a similar upbeat approach !! ...though I can't remember what dh Dick looks like!!

Catbag Mon 18-Mar-13 22:05:08

VQ Thankful Thursday isn't that far away smile

As always, you sound like you've planted yourself in the right mental place. You are a very impressive human being smile

TheDetective Mon 18-Mar-13 22:05:36


The quiche has been summoned!

Anyone who can make a meet in Northampton next week please step forward!

I'm coming.

Who's in?

Dates? Get thee over to FB!!!

Passmethecrisps Mon 18-Mar-13 22:06:37

Evening all. Two threads to summarise?!

The quiche fish got so much use today that the thread smells like captain birdseye's pantry. Simultaneous hugs and fish slaps were handed out to the lovely daisy and the lovely contra. contra was assured that becoming her mother was unlikely while she is reeking of pilchards and daisy is her boy's favourite person despite the sardiney whiff.

The talk turned to Easter eggs and whether these would lads as a finger food for the baby led weaners. yellowwellies frantic date checking of Creme eggs has raised concerns in the quiche - surely 6 months past the use by date is ok?

bigpig asked if there was a growth spurt at 16 weeks not realising that the fact is there is a growth spurt every fucking week or so it would seem while others struggle with yet more feeding toomany and kirrin, sleeping everyone pretty much and poorly babies stunt, PR and VQ.

pikz made herself dizzy by a playnest blowjob while tits had, well, tits like beach balls.

Car problems continue with VQ's costing approximately a million pounds to fix. Her 8 inches the previous night made it almost bearable, however.

The quiche waved hello to the lovely GT who popped in with a virtual postcard.

ValiumQueen Mon 18-Mar-13 22:09:56

'He's given me fucking turrets' now THAT has got to be quote of the week!

Seriously, it is a gorgeous dick. I polish it frequently. When I have the energy. It comes up really nice. Pun intended.

I love willies. I went into nursing to see lots of willies. I had never seen one (innocent young thing) when I had my first job in a nursing home at age 18, and had to help bed-bath an old boy. He had the biggest dick I have ever seen. It was as thick as a coke can and down past his knee. I went home and said to my mum 'are they all that big?' In a worried tone. 'Unfortunately not' she replied grin

BigPigLittlePig Mon 18-Mar-13 22:10:46

Well said pass - you've got yourself a job now! Am going to attempt bed now, for me and F. Have totally stuffed up bedtime tonight, so will probably pay for it in the small hours.

Sleepy dust and horse tranquilliser for all xx

ValiumQueen Mon 18-Mar-13 22:11:02

blush thank you cat grin

Brockle Mon 18-Mar-13 22:11:31

you are doing fantastic chasing . one step at a time with the lovely people on here holding.g your hand every step of the way. your ex constantly undermined you and is still doing that. he is still abusing you. what he fails to understand is that his physical abuse of you could affect his contact with O. this has prob been said by everyone here this evening but I wanted you to know there was another person thinking of you. O needs his mum more than anyone else in the world.

BigPigLittlePig Mon 18-Mar-13 22:11:49

Thanks for the mental images at bedtime vq!!
And they say that things shrink with age...

Passmethecrisps Mon 18-Mar-13 22:12:37

Hell's teeth! 18 posts in the time it took me to summarise?! What chance does a woman get?


Oh. And I meant to add that detective can be hired out for threats, batterings and general scary behaviour.

ValiumQueen Mon 18-Mar-13 22:13:35

'Playnest blowjob' you are on fire tonight pass grin

TheDetective Mon 18-Mar-13 22:14:24

Sorry about the car, and the boobs VQ. sad Which would you like the most sympathy for?! Both seem pretty hefty shitness to me! Erm, gorgeous dick though? Did he pay you to say that?! grin

Cat What's the damage?!

Horsey O is absolutely bloody fantastic, although I am afraid to say so, keep waiting for the inevitable to reoccur!

Sophia I hope they are legal, I bought them in a shop ignores fact they are a year out of date now grin. I assume so anyway!

Chasing I want to do bad things to your ex. Please, do not listen to a WORD he says. He knows absolutely fuck all. Really. He does. He is talking utter utter cunty bullshit. I hate the bastard for what he is doing to you. I really do. He is the kind of person I can produce venomous spit for. Listen to the cat she speaks the wiseness!

GT Hello stranger! grin hurry the fuck home won't you, it isn't the same without you!

What have I missed? Lots. Will go back now.....

ValiumQueen Mon 18-Mar-13 22:15:40

chasing you could always charge him for previous assaults. Not sure it would help, but handy to have in your itinerary.

horseylady Mon 18-Mar-13 22:15:51

pass amazing!!

daisy you're not married?! He has no rights to the child

vq hugs

TheDetective Mon 18-Mar-13 22:17:07

Detective can certainly be hired out. These 36F (F for fucking frinormous) boobs make excellent weapons. <booooooosh, booooooosh, bang> and he's down!

Thanks to whoever told me my bra size, my pea brain forgets. But you were right!!!!!!

kissyfur Mon 18-Mar-13 22:20:00

V good pass smile

VQ lol at coke can willies!

Sophiathesnowfairy Mon 18-Mar-13 22:20:31

detective what exactly are they? angry am in NI next week or defo would have done Northampton.

chasing what a bully, he is trying to twist things and make you question yourself. Don't let him. I would be wary of letting him see O alone at all with his proclivity to aggression.

gt welcome back, glad to hear you are having a good time.

vq I love you, you are so funny! grin

Good god! Bar my birthday post I've missed a whole thread.
I know there's been some emotional times over the last few days from FB, sorry I haven't had chance to post with support.
I will try catch up but I'm off to the Trafford Centre shopping tomorrow so not sure how much I'll read.
Anyone care to give me a summary of what I've missed? smile

Thanks for all the birthday wishes btw, I had a fab day.
M is keeping me busy. She managed to get out of her bouncy chair yesterday and did a backwards commando crawl move off her change mat. I think she's going to be a tough one to keep still grin

Ooh just noticed detective got a bra on my recs. Mine are GG for good god! wink

ChasingDaisy Mon 18-Mar-13 22:23:46

Best. Summary. Ever.

TheDetective Mon 18-Mar-13 22:24:15

Ah, how could I forget it was you!! You were right, it is a bloody good fit! Just a shame it is a balcony style. The melons like not to be parted!

Will buy another push em up style! grin

Thanks Fatima!

Also just found the summary up there ^

Sorry my three posts are going to be bumping up the posting rate even more

TheDetective Mon 18-Mar-13 22:25:05

I think pass needs to start a business in thread summaries. For those really fucking long ones that you just can't keep up on like this!.

Kyzordz Mon 18-Mar-13 22:26:42

vq I woke the boy from his dream feed laughing at your post! I like your thankful paragraph though too smile

I wouldn't mind some willy. Unfortunately am on longest period ever and am becoming increasingly upset by this! Surely almost a month is taking the piss?!?!? It is the lack of willy I think mainly that has turned me into a very sweary she demon before sweary Wednesday!

Catbag Mon 18-Mar-13 22:27:52

Omfg. I have just got out of bed to correct my spelling.


I did know how to spell it. I just forgot 'cos I was cross blush

I am going back to bed now.

<trudges off>

TheDetective Mon 18-Mar-13 22:29:51

Can we start a new topic? While I am on it?

Baby proofing.

My head is cream crackered thinking about it.

What are others doing? We will get a babygate for the living room, and the top of the stairs. O will not be allowed in the kitchen or hall. I've got a few problem things in my living room though. My fire place is not attached to the wall, and its fucking granite. I have no idea how to do it, or who to get to do it? But it needs to be done ignores fact it has been like that for 5 years.

I also have a broken banister on the stairs. My ex did it in his rage when we split up. You can't tell it is broken, as it is just stuck back together, but if you push it it will fall through. Again, clearly need to get that sorted, but how?????!

What are you doing about door locks? Fridge locks? Oven locks? Locks for your fucking face?!

Arghhhhh. DS1 it was easy. We had fuck all. There wasn't much to babyproof! This house isn't designed for babies though!!

TheDetective Mon 18-Mar-13 22:34:21

I put O to bed in record time tonight because my tea was ready. He is so bloody gorgeous! He seems to no longer need a dummy. Tonight he just spat it out after his feed when he was wide awake and I was thinking uh oh he isn't for sleeping and snuggled in my arms, and went the fuck to sleep!! He's been doing that the last few nights. Kept hold of him for a few minutes, decided to chance it and put him down. Last night and tonight he woke when I put him in the cot. Looked at me, puked, I shoved a muslin under his head, covered him over, and left the room. Not heard a peep since!

He did the same minus the vom last night!

He also did not need his dummy when we were out this afternoon. Normally he wants a dummy when he is in the pram, after a while he gets bored, and the dummy seems to relieve that boredom?! But not today.

My brave little soldier is getting better! <sobs like a crazy laydeeee>

Do you think we could have a repeat of last night? Do ya? DO YA?! G'waaaaaaaaan! You know you want to!!

TheDetective Mon 18-Mar-13 22:34:47

Sprry. Jabbering on. Ignore. blush

ChunkyChicken Mon 18-Mar-13 22:40:46

Never did locks detective for DD. Only resorted to drawer catches when she kept emptying my hand cream etc out from my bed-side table... Stair gates, that's it. Oh and bookcases etc attached to walls in case of climbing. Can't you just replace the spindle?

Glad other babes are a bit slow immobile still smile . Guess DD was early for rolling - she pretty much commando crawled once she rolled & walked at 11mo. I think DS is more content to watch her & chew his fingers.

chasing ditto everything else, but seriously, if they took every child away from their carer as soon as the parent/carer was ill/has MH issues/suffered DV etc, there wouldn't be complaints that kids are left to be abused (e.g Baby P etc etc). Removing a child from a home is a last resort & needs strong evidence. Having PND etc is rarely sufficient & would only be the case if it were a) severe & b) could result in harm to the dc. As you said, he's scared witless & worried he'll be found out... Wanker.

Thanks for the welcome back guys!!

<waves at GT.>

<removes matchsticks propping eyes open to post. Shuffles down sofa & thinks about going to bed...>

TheDetective Mon 18-Mar-13 22:45:22

Chasing Social Services told me that if there was another reported incident of DV (and I had only reported 1) that ex DP would not be allowed contact with DS1, and that they would have to assess him blah blah blah.

Throw that one at him.

Also, no court in the land would take a baby from its mother (main carer) at 3 months old for over night stays, or full days. Not a chance. Ever.

TheDetective Mon 18-Mar-13 22:48:27

I want a pair of jeggings. A decent pair. My new look ones are crap. Thought I'd try Next. Yeah, only good if you have no arse. hmm None of the sizes fitted right.

Looked at M&S, but seriously, M&S, jeans are not jeggings. If they have a waistband with a button and zip, they are fucking JEANS!


LuisGarcia Mon 18-Mar-13 22:52:54


<dons man hat, sticks thumbs in belt> The jobs should be easily doable by a competent handyman, although the banister may need a carpenter. I would buy tv straps for the fireplace and fit them to the back of it, I guess, but that's just a guess... how mobile and heavy it is and what the wall is made of matter. We were lucky in that we moved in here just as J was starting to get mobile, so all his stuff and nothing dangerous or fragile are within 1 metre of the ground. We had a carpenter replace the banisters and build stairgates. We don't bother with cupboard locks or anything. We just moved everything to high up.

TheDetective Mon 18-Mar-13 22:59:41

Ok, that sounds good! The surround is wooden, and fairly light. I did not want it attached, as there are wires hidden in it for the TV, that we need access to. The granite has never budged. Ever! I am going to get a surround so he can't touch my pebbly shit, not that the fire even switches on anymore! which I assume will be fixed to the wall also ugly bastard thing!.

I am of limited kitchen storage, so no chance for moving things higher sad I have 4 full sized cupboards, one cupboard under the sink, 3 small cupboards, and 3 drawers. We struggle for space as it is! I will need a lock for under the sink, as there is nowhere else for the cleaning shizz to go really. I've got a box full of drugs on top of the fridge. Am thinking it might need some kind of padlock clearly not yet, perhaps when he is walking!!.

I will sadly have to remove the duct tape from my bath overflow sad Just in case he wishes to start his first flood!

Contradictionincarnate Mon 18-Mar-13 23:00:52

child proffing also on my mind bought plastic corners from Ikea and drawer locks months ago ... but dh is pretty slap dash when it comes to DIY and niave when it comes to any danger. I'm too much the other way and see danger everywhere ...
we have lots of wires everywhere things plugged in ...not sure how we secure furniture to walls either its stone and the furniture all has mdf backs that I think would just fall too. sad
and then there's the cats!

TheDetective Mon 18-Mar-13 23:09:18

contra same in our house. I think I'm ott, DP not enough!

Mind you, DS did run in to the table when he was 4, and cut his head right open to the bone. Still have the same table. That is getting corner cushions on it!

I just see danger everywhere here! DS1 didn't bother with things he wasn't supposed to have. He was just accident prone really.

I need to sort out the curtains/cord off blinds in O's room as a priority.

Isn't there someone who can come and do this all for you?! My mind is mushed!

DP and DS1 leave shit lying around everywhere. Coins. DP leaves coins lying around all over. Drives me batty at the best of times. I've been telling him to get in to the habit of putting them in my purse, or in his coin pot in his drawer. He isn't doing it. Grrr.

TheDetective Mon 18-Mar-13 23:10:31

O is mooing over the monitor. I think he is trying to self settle! grin

The dog just let one off. Fuck. I think it is going to kill me off. envy vomtastic.

LuisGarcia Mon 18-Mar-13 23:11:23

detective I would get a carpenter for both jobs, then. Would box the fire place in nicely and give you access the wires and do the banister properly too.

contra wires can be neatly and easily hidden in floor trunking. Not especially cheap, but if you plan the layout properly, it looks good, keeps the cables out of the way and is easily adaptable.

The thing is, our house is J proof. We'd like to think it was child proof, especially since we now have L, but we've had too many guests with toddlers who find new and interesting things to get into that J never thought of or knew was off limits. I think you just have to do this as you go along in response to your LO rather than worry about it all now.

Although I would get the banister fixed. smile

TheDetective Mon 18-Mar-13 23:18:10

Yes, blinds, banister, and fire place are priority. Limiting access to kitchen will take away most hazards. It is very small, so there is little room for him to be in there anyway. And no real reason for him to be in there. Will have a crawl around living room and see what would be interesting to a baby!

Fuck. Just remembered, both my sideboard and tall cabinet have one leg each which snapped off when moving house. They are propped up on the legs. No more nails didn't cut it. Bollocks. I can't attach the sideboard to the wall, as it is in front of a massive radiator, and it is the only place it can go. Fucksticks.

Am I overthinking things here?!

TheDetective Mon 18-Mar-13 23:22:00

Right. Going to bed while I still have some unmelted brain.

Oh, O did not recognise his daddy tonight. He took his glasses off, and O went from smiling and cooing at him, to looking, well, alarmed!

LuisGarcia Mon 18-Mar-13 23:22:58

No, just get a carpenter. One way or another they should be able to fix everything you've said so far.

itsnotyouitsmeals Mon 18-Mar-13 23:32:22

Night everyone. Too tired to post much. Busy day with friends and ballet. Got ranitidine for LO so fingers crossed.

Hugs and sleep to all in need of either.
Meals x

Contradictionincarnate Mon 18-Mar-13 23:37:10

watch out trolls about on mn tonight! batten the hatches ... det get your bark ready incase ...we are probably on active... was on a few threads and more than one troll all answering each other its not just feminism one was talking abort giving drugs to children and posted that they were pregnant on drugs and needed help but then didn't listen just trying to pick arguments ...

TheDetective Mon 18-Mar-13 23:38:26

Ranitidine working for us meals. Along with the change in milk and the Gaviscon. Phew smile

Am now in bed. Good frickin' night and good frickin' luck one and all!

LuisGarcia Mon 18-Mar-13 23:40:04

Am now mopping the kitchen. Good frickin' night and good frickin' luck one and all from me, too!

Contradictionincarnate Mon 18-Mar-13 23:44:11

oh and det as you were talking about coins ... I said to dh today you have to look do a check when you put dd down make sure there isn't anything dropped on the floor like a coin etc... he just looked at me like I'm nuts and like I'm teaching him to suck eggs but I know he will do it ... its the same re keeping bottles sterile ...why I wash them I don't trust him. and he picked his nose earlier then went to hold dd angry angry angry
Luis thanks will check that out ... its more like chargers though iPad and phone guess I will just have to put them to charge high up as poss and outta the way!

Contradictionincarnate Mon 18-Mar-13 23:48:30

just looked at the trunking woof that is expensive! how do you attach? I have gorgeous big skirting boards ...must sleep now ...keep forgetting dd been up at 5 like clock work.
think dh is finding me aswell as dd very tiring ...not even eaten very much tonight and he didn't seem to care but then again I'm not a child and can feed myself! or should be able too!
he is off for a stag doo all weekend!

LuisGarcia Mon 18-Mar-13 23:57:10

I didn't mean the "more items to consider" adverts at the top of that page!!

It's about £2 per metre

Contradictionincarnate Tue 19-Mar-13 00:14:42

ahh oops sorry I'm very... tired ! dd is back up after one hours kip! sad sad sad sad
was going to post more than this but brain dying it really hurts...
think that's why its hard at the mo
a) it was supposed to be better after 12 weeks I think maybe my expectations were too high
b) at least when they are newborn they just sleep poop cry and look round a bit not constantly demanding to be entertained like now! ... although that is the good bit too!

Contradictionincarnate Tue 19-Mar-13 00:15:49

asked dh to fetch me paracetamol 5 mins ago not sure why its taken him soo long!

LuisGarcia Tue 19-Mar-13 00:19:57

It gets better. J was ferocious for a long time. tbh honest I don't know where this 12 week thing comes from... they can't read calenders and they haven't read the books / websites you have. Even J got better eventually.

PetiteRaleuse Tue 19-Mar-13 00:26:15

Pass excellent summary

grin at Cat's turrets

VQ boo about the car and the cold, but thanks for the laugh about willies.

Detective I have an impossible to block off open plan house am dreading having two little darlings running round

Chasing if ever you needed confirmation that your ex is a cunt you now have it. He is talking bullshit - what a bastardy attempt to manipulate you. You need to contact your GP, woman's aid for advice and get your HV to pick you up, put you on your feet and push you in the direction of groups, homestart, surestart or whatever else there is to get you out, helped etc whatever can be done in real life to support you. Your ex is NOT going to bully you anymore. Twat! And it's too soon for overnights so he can fuck right off that one.

Third 1am feed in a row, along with paracetamol. <curses DH for Saturday night> Still can't work out what's bothering LO so she needs the pain relief though.

Oh well, gives me a chance to catch up.

Lily311 Tue 19-Mar-13 00:40:23

I am awake and try to write a 2000 word assignment due at lunch time. I have not read the course material (only skimmed) and I have no idea what it is about. WAs thinking about pulling out of the course but I did that last year and I really really can't afford postponing another year. So here I am, hoping that O will sleep till 7. I will be useless today, I know that. My own fault.

As for babyproofing, I will put a childlock on the cleaning cupboard once we move. We will live in a flat so no need for stairgates, I am more worried about cables and plugs and sharp furniture edges and all sort of things.

Contradictionincarnate Tue 19-Mar-13 00:40:58

Woah the trolls I mentioned earlier are now saying they are a group sworn to bring down mumsnet due to the fact it is anti-male propaganda! ... trust no one!,... one of the posts is called WTAF where peeps were talking bout them and they came on! shock

PetiteRaleuse Tue 19-Mar-13 00:46:47

What are you studying Lily ?

Just as I was about to put her back in her cot there was a rumble and a grumble and a huge fick-you-mummy-you-ain't-going-nowhere-just-yet poo. Thanks LO.

Oh nothing spells fun like a bunch of MRA trolls. Sad bastards.

PetiteRaleuse Tue 19-Mar-13 00:47:37

Luis knows we aren't anti male.

LuisGarcia Tue 19-Mar-13 00:49:57

It's true

Contradictionincarnate Tue 19-Mar-13 00:58:20

think we are lucky not to have had them on here ... if they could work mn you would think they would just go through most active!

Contradictionincarnate Tue 19-Mar-13 00:59:49

we are anti-male (certain one wink ) but not anti-males! smile

Contradictionincarnate Tue 19-Mar-13 01:01:06

going for the transfer ... wish me luck!

PetiteRaleuse Tue 19-Mar-13 01:03:37

They'll be targeting the feminism boards. Twats. Right, LO chortling in bed. Night all smile

LuisGarcia Tue 19-Mar-13 01:13:31

For anyone struggling esp with first ones.... I took J to the supermarket today. I let him run around rather than have him in the trolley, for the first time. He's 2 1/2. He's put me us through hell sleepwise for 2 1/2 years. He was flipping hilarious, running round telling me all kinds of comedy stories about products he could see. Mostly this was through signing at me, because he can't talk (don't ask).

The hardest, most ferociously awful times are worth it.

Lily311 Tue 19-Mar-13 01:22:55

I'm doing an open degree, wanted to do Early Years but I guess the open degree will be more useful. Currently study child development (ed209). This is my 4th course with OU, I have to say it's a completely different experience from first time round (did Economics before).

PetiteRaleuse Tue 19-Mar-13 01:30:10

And the insomnia kicks in. Everyone else snoring happily.

PetiteRaleuse Tue 19-Mar-13 01:31:07

Sounds interesting. I did a few OU modules years ago. Never finished the degree though.

PetiteRaleuse Tue 19-Mar-13 01:49:49

You're right Luis they are worth it. I can't believe how fast the last two years have gone, and LO is 5 months old today already and already so many precious memories.

StuntNun Tue 19-Mar-13 02:04:46

Hello 2 a.m. looks like I have over 200 posts to read!

I've had three hours sleep between feeds! Not great but better than some. I don't think I'll get caught up tonight somehow though as I'm very tired.

Lilliana Tue 19-Mar-13 02:06:39

I'm here! Taken me an hour to catch up and forgotten everything.

Chasing no advice to add, just huge hugs xxx

Turrets made me grin

What happened to our 5 hours?! Going to try to transfer, hope we don't have a repeat of last night

PetiteRaleuse Tue 19-Mar-13 02:23:08

I'm still awake.

Evilwater Tue 19-Mar-13 02:27:42

I'm so jelous of detecivea self settlement baby, envy envy envy

The turrets, made me chuckle.

Chasing- oh your P, needs his arse handed to him. I second the pitch forks.

What's this about trolls?

Yay he's asleep.

justonemorecake Tue 19-Mar-13 02:35:34

3 hours then 2.5 hours. Not too bad. Still so tired.

kirrinIsland Tue 19-Mar-13 03:37:53

Brilliant summary pass smile

Just had 5 hours sleep from N which is fab. Just about to attempt a transfer .....

Lilliana Tue 19-Mar-13 04:18:36

2 hours and I'm back!

Oh for a self setting baby.

At least transfer went ok. Fingers crossed this is the same as i really need a couple more hours

Bryzoan Tue 19-Mar-13 04:31:39

Crap all sleep here. Think g is coming down with something, poor little man,

Contra, sorry you are having such a hard time. As Luis said it really will get better - hang in there. Do you have a sling / baby carrier? That is my line of last resort with g when he is being demanding and I need to do something with dd / the house (or eat).

Taking of eat, eating is a priority. I forgot that a bit in the early days, focusing instead on the needs of the 2 kids. No good at all. The mor run down you get the less you can look after your baby.

Don't rely on your dp to tell you to eat (or use not eating to try to show him you are finding it hard). Eating is too important - and so are you. Your dp probably won't even notice what you are eating (or otherwise). Keep eating but just make sure you tell him directly that you are struggling and what you need. Bear in mind he might be struggling too even if he doesn't have it as hard as you. Mine can't function on bad sleep at all (so I prefer him to sleep so he can then help in other ways). Don't try to do everything, just focus on survival (and a place on next week's show), and even though you are shattered do get out to some baby grps. Seeing other parents with massive bags under their eyes helps! Also just sleep whenever you get the chance.

Luis - is J using Makaton? Dd is also 2.5 and not talking (though she is also not walking - just high speed crawling --like a pocket rocket--). She signs too - but more demands than stories! We get the odd word attempt but nothing as sophisticated as 'ice'. She says 'duck' brilliantly grin.

ValiumQueen Tue 19-Mar-13 05:06:00

J has been awake from 4.15 to 5 and this is first waking. He was really hard to settle and has been coughing a lot but has done really well. I wake with coughing as with the girls it usually results in vomit.

Today I have been moaning about my girls incessant talking. After the above posts I will turn that to gratitude.

I will post about baby proofing in daytime but best way is have a toddler visit for a couple of hours.

Contradictionincarnate Tue 19-Mar-13 05:55:00

thanks bryz I good advice some of which I think I would give someone else but not think of for myself! ...especially re eating.
my dh also needs his sleep but is offering to help - when dd woke at 12 I asked him to settle her as I thought she wanted boob for comfort (not for me). he says he would do early feeds in the morning but I think its too much and also bf is easier at that time.
pr the trolls were on feminism but also posting in pregnancy asking for advice as a drug using mother to be ...sick stuff!
so...5! could set a watch by her ...least when clocks go forward it will be 6! thought that earlier hope it will work out like that! and she would go down earlier too! hoping this is early sleep regression? think I was a lucky one before ...
I also feel like I'm coming down with a cold ...feel v hot at 21 degrees ...dh couldn't find paracetamol I took calpol! ...had 6 years plus from a time when I think I had a sore throat and decided to take it ...I really need to find some tablets.
just realised this time 15 weeks ago she was almost here (and I knew that too)

TheDetective Tue 19-Mar-13 06:17:51


Back to sleep. Fed quick. Awesome.

Sophiathesnowfairy Tue 19-Mar-13 06:18:54

detecive defo fridge locks I will post a picture on fb of the consequences........

Sophiathesnowfairy Tue 19-Mar-13 06:33:38

luis has a good point, they all go for different stuff. DS1 loves switches and would go in every cupboard and drawer, he tested the rinse aid under the sink despite having a cupboard lock on it, and he would bypass the staircase, squeeze through the banisters and off up the stairs. But the girls never really did that so I didn't really make any changes for them.

I don't want a stair gate on my lovely new staircase in the new house and as we will have a proper hallway rather than stairs to lounge and I can bypass the hall and go kitchen to lounge I might just get away with it. O will just have to learn.

Thechick Tue 19-Mar-13 06:34:14

Hello all. Just popping back to say a quick hi. We are all very well. H is still not sleeping very well but is getting better. We are on 2 or 3 wakings at the mo. He's rolling and is starting to use his hands to swipe at things. I'm loving being his mother but not looking forward to weaning at all, we are going to start at exactly 6 months during the easter holidays. We are looking at nurseries today. Hopefully we'll be able to make a decision and put our name down for one. I'm still reading but finding it impossible to keep up with you guys!! Sorry to hear about all the bad stuff that's been going on!!

PetiteRaleuse Tue 19-Mar-13 06:44:07

I slept an hour since 1 am. Can't blame a child.

Sophiathesnowfairy Tue 19-Mar-13 06:48:15

Oh dear pr could you get a daytime nap?

Donnadoon Tue 19-Mar-13 06:56:42

Hi Thechick Dd isn't interested in weaning so I'm going to wait a few more weeks too.. I tried her on some puréed fruit and her face was like I was administering poison
She isn't rolling over or anything either..just happy to lie there smiling though
Glad all is well with H , DD sleeps from 8pm til 3-5am ish so not too bad.

PetiteRaleuse Tue 19-Mar-13 06:57:42

I have a phone meeting with work at 10, it's already almost 8. Once the mtg is over will be time to go get DD1... I might try and get an hour but busy with LO right now I can't work out what her problem is. Only thing I can think of is teething but it seems so early compared to DD1 and she never noticed her teething anyway ( take hope people, teething isn't always a nightmare)

Pikz Tue 19-Mar-13 07:02:34

Morning fuckers.

Am busy reading all the night stuff. LO still doing well with one wake up.

Seem to have a chilled out boy today!

Bryzoan Tue 19-Mar-13 07:08:05

Babyproofing - we have stairgates for dd, plus a lock on the cupboard with cleaning stuff in, bookcases screwed to the wall and stuff we really care about up high. We keep some of our stuff low though to try to teach her she isn't allowed everything she can reach. Seems to work well for us, but she is incredibly gentle and well behaved for a toddler. I am often shocked when others come over as they always seem so boisterous! I second vq's idea of inviting a toddler round as a babyproofing consultant - but only when you're feeling strong and after a good night's sleep.

Sorry you are feeling so poorly contra. Prob partly explains why you have had a rough few days. I always find life really hard the day or 2 before bug symptoms kick in. Glad the advice was useful. Reading back I was worried it sounded a little heavy handed. But it is easy to forget to apply what you would tell others to yourself. Another reason I find our quiche so great - there is always a reminder that we are all awesome and we're not alone in finding it bloody hard sometimes!

Contradictionincarnate Tue 19-Mar-13 07:10:06

up again ... can barely keep my eyes open so hope that she goes down now after this for a long spell and I have no deliveries! sad

Contradictionincarnate Tue 19-Mar-13 07:15:16

thanks again bry ... not that colds etc are ever convenient but feels like the worst time ...was going out with a friend on Thursday night and wanted to enjoy a couple of glasses of wine...dh to put dd to bed..
looks like I will have to have just the one in case I need to boob her all night/ early morn. and dh is away all weekend Fri-mon on a stag do sad

ValiumQueen Tue 19-Mar-13 07:20:03

J had a good night. Just one waking but lots of coughing. He seems ok and has laughed after, but when he woke up it was clearly sore.

I have the joyous company of DD2 again today as I cannot get her to nursery due to no car. My parents are away so they cannot take her either. She is so very challenging bless her.

Thechick Tue 19-Mar-13 07:23:09

Donna babies are so different aren't they. I would love to be getting big chunks of sleep, but hey, he'll do it in his own time. Can you believe they are 23 weeks. Time is going by way too quickly.

Contradictionincarnate Tue 19-Mar-13 07:28:47

trolls are back again in most active posting pictures of mumsnetters then making jokes about them.

PurplePidjin Tue 19-Mar-13 07:41:54

I have had no internet over night.

I have, however, been awake for 45-60 minutes every hour since midnight.

Guess who turned 4 months today?

I have a job interview at 9:30 sad

Bryzoan Tue 19-Mar-13 07:49:11

Oh no pp that is no good at all. Good luck with the interview.

Pikz Tue 19-Mar-13 07:53:50

Good luck PP

I need to find some big fuck off cage to surround aga. Most un child friendly thing ever.

ValiumQueen Tue 19-Mar-13 07:57:58

Baby proofing:

We have stair gates top and bottom, and the top gate also turns to fix to the wall so we can shag in peace.

We also have a gate to the kitchen. The younger DD is not allowed in on her own but my elder one can.

The drawer and cupboard locks, washing machine and fridge clips were still in their wrappers, so they got donated to charity some time ago. All toxic kitchen and bathroom things are kept in a high cupboard. Stuff that would just make them throw up are kept in lower cupboards. They do not have access anyway. They cannot get to washer or dryer.

Blind cords cut

Bookcases etc fixed to wall, especially in bedrooms.

A lot of wires can be tucked in-between wall and carpet. No wires in bedrooms until kid is sensible. Plug sockets have safety inserts in, although some think this makes them more dangerous.

We need to get the TV fixed to the cabinet.

We should vacuum more, and will when J is crawling.

Front and back doors and gates are always locked.

We keep things out of reach whenever possible. I am very fussy with visitors and hot drinks.

Each time I put J on the floor I lay down and look around to make sure there is nothing missed, like under sofa, that he could potentially get to.

No fire guard, but I bought one for both grandparents homes and insist it is used. Both have stone hearths that would hurt if baby fell on them.

MIL is dreadful for baby proofing. She thinks nothing needs doing and will make no effort to put her silly flowers and stone bits up off the hearth, and on assorted sharp cornered tables. I hate going there as I cannot take my eyes off them for a second. I will now move stuff, and push tables to the side of the room so the kids have a bit of space. My DH nearly died when I first did that. MILs face was a picture. We now go camping nearby and visit for short periods as it was too stressful. I was taking them out all the time so they could breathe without fear of breaking something.

The toilet is a hazard people often forget. Do not have a toilet brush. Once you have caught your toddler chewing it, you will remember my words.

I think toddler reins are essential. So bite me.

Do not have anything too near the cot, so if they do climb out and fall, they cannot get caught on the way down.

Be aware of plants in garden and house, and their potential toxicity.

You can buy soft helmets for small people. I am not allowed to buy one, but would happily do so.

Thankfully these small people grow and develop slowly, so our world can be adapted gently. Always try to be one step ahead of them, and regularly check their reach.

ValiumQueen Tue 19-Mar-13 07:59:51

Or just get a play pen and keep the little sod in it until they are 3. After that, sit in it yourself.

StuntNun Tue 19-Mar-13 08:07:14

Top tip if you have the Lamaze hand and foot finders - put the foot finders over the hands, it's much easier for J to get the butterfly into his mouth than the wrist one ignores fact J's wrists are almost too chubby for it to do up.

PennieLane Tue 19-Mar-13 08:08:27

I'm another one who can't keep up. It that is the best summary ever!

Nice to hear from GT, glad DS is better detective brilliant. And glad mini VQ had only one waking-great news!

This childcare subsidy announced today sounds quite good, unless in missing something!

Contradictionincarnate Tue 19-Mar-13 08:10:14

good luck pp
vq hadn't heard anything bout plug inserts why dangerous?? dm has loads of little ornaments me my dad and dsis have said they will be dangerous ...dm has said they won't touch what they are not allowed too ...(think I may have been good like that as a child) concerned when older she may tap or something ... me and dm are going to come to blows over this!
and mil I think is quiet lax ...you should see her fridge plurgh but does think children need to be children ... she is a nurse and has brought up 4 ... she did spill a cup of copy over dh when he was about a year old so is very cautious about that.

Morning everyone, night 4 of sleep regression in the laughalot house. The longest she slept for last night was 90 minutes. Really hoping we don't have too many more nights of this to go through, I am also studying like someof you and have a 5000 word assignment due in at the start of May that I am yet to start confused

Chasing i have no more advice to add to what others have brilliantly said already. What he said to you though reminded me of a friend I used to have whose husband cheated on her when she was pregnant. She stayed with him because he told her all kinds of things about what would happen to their daughter if she left, really daft things too like she would be bullied in school because her mum and dad weren't together (she'd call me up, as I was a teacher back, asking if this was true). It was all emotional abuse and it worked on her. She's still with him and they've just had a second baby together. I know she's really unhappy, and as a group of friends we haven't seen her for a few years now, either because he's keeping her away from us (he knows we detest him) or because she's embarrassed that she stayed with him. It's really sad, but I'm SO pleased that this wont happen to you because of the strength you found and the decisions you are making smile.

PP good luck with the interview!

PetiteRaleuse Tue 19-Mar-13 08:12:39

I also am very pro reins. They save lives and I don't want to have to live with myself if one of my daughters run into traffic and cause an accident because I wasn't holding her hand properly. I din't even want to think about the worst case scenario. A few weeks ago a toddler ran in front of my car and I had to brake suddenly. I was fucking furious with the father who was with her. But over here reins are considered to be like dog leads.

Those with animals should be aware that babies and toddlers will eat and drink from their bowls if given the opportunity. And that they are not to know that cat litter and animal puke are not delicious snacks. Also make sure pets are wormed regularly. Taht said I don't worry about animal hair or cats suffocating babies etc.

My DH wanted to buy a helmet for DD1 but I vetoed it. I figure they'll never learn to pay attention if they don't have to. I did learn off by heart lists of signs of concussion. had a revision session at a&e when I dropped LO on her head

LO is 5 months today. Am wondering if her fussiness is an ear infectyion? She had a cold last week. Will see how she goes today.

Haven't had chance for a nap. Got to get showered and dressed before my phone meeting. Shall be starting the discussions of ifs and possibilities of rtw. I think this is what is causing my insomnia - it's been going on since I had my appraisal a couple of weeks ago. I get a kind of wave of nausea every time I think about work.

ChunkyChicken Tue 19-Mar-13 08:12:51

Wow VQ I was clearly lucky - DD has never needed half of what you listed!!! At our old house, the kitchen & bathroom were on the back of the terrace house so down a step, so we had stair gates there & top & bottom of the stairs & that was pretty much it. Will wait & see what DS is like. If he seems like a climber or into wires etc, I'll deal with it at the time. We don't have blinds so that is something we can relax about. Might put pipe insulation/lagging stuff around the marble-effect boak - its old & dated stone fire surround as we can't afford to replace it...

Only 1 wake at nearly 5am so a good night. (9-7 sleep)

Period started, just over a year after my last one was due but didn't happen grin

PetiteRaleuse Tue 19-Mar-13 08:14:06

Play pens are brilliant for when you are cooking, ironing, or need a shower or the loo. DD1 was happy to go in ours until about 15 months.

PetiteRaleuse Tue 19-Mar-13 08:16:58

Drawer, cupboard door blockers that kind of thing, as well as stair gates, DD1 worked out how to open them very quickly. She did the same at the CM's.

I do block sockets and keep doors locked.

No stairs in our new place, so we have a gate in front of the loo where the cat food and litter is. She can open it but we can hear it when she does.

glendatheveryexcitedwitch Tue 19-Mar-13 08:26:14

Hey ladeees and luis

Am only on page 6 but had to write to chasing


That is abuse honey - do not make any arrangements for O to stay overnight or have unsupervised contact - he is a nasty piece of work. Please call gp, HV, sure start, women's aid, social services, citizens advice today!!! They can help with legal stuff, get you a few hours a week childcare so you have chance to recharge amongst other things - have you got credit on your phone to make calls??

Any other threats log them with the police

Seeking help from the gp will strengthen your case as you are being proactive and seeking help when needed - he is trying to scare the living bejesus out of you - twat!!!!

I've got to rush to do school run but please please please don't let this prick get under your skin!!! I will pm you my number on fb so I can give you virtual hand holding/hugs etc

Love to you and your boy xxxxx

ChunkyChicken Tue 19-Mar-13 08:39:17

Big progress!! Came into lounge to find DD sat on her potty. Yes, most of the wee was on the mat on the floor & in her pants/pjs but some was in the potty. Best of all? SHE had decided to get to the potty when she needed a wee, & not when I told her...

BigPigLittlePig Tue 19-Mar-13 08:39:39

<throws matchsticks over shoulders and shrieks> The little laydee slept through for the first time ever! 10-6! Will be trying a dream feed tonight to try to replicate last nights miracle.

Our house is completely un-baby proof. We will have a stairgate across Fs bedroom door, bottom of the stairs, and utility room (although dh doesn't agree with that one). Luckily all the cupboards already have the safety clip things in. Not sure what we'll do with the stone fireplace, cast iron poker set, miles of wires for surround sound, to name but a few things. Still, given Fs current reluctance to move, suspect this is all some way off anyway.

Sorry to hear of bad nights - brew for you all.
chasing good luck with the gp today xx

Thechick Tue 19-Mar-13 08:41:37

VQ that's a whole lot of babyproofing, lol!! I think for ds1 I had a stair gate and those round things that go on corners of tables and cupboards and the plug inserts. I'm one who doesn't believe in reigns but I do believe you have to do what's best for your own family.

StuntNun Tue 19-Mar-13 08:44:28

In the UK all plugs sockets are safe because they incorporate covers over the two live holes. The top prong of a plug is longer because it opens the safety covers.

BigPigLittlePig Tue 19-Mar-13 08:44:46

I think reins like this are quite cute blush. Suspect dh will veto them though.

Oh, meant to say that I got this email yesterday offering 20% off Bambino Mio swim nappies. Never used them so don't know if they're any good but might be useful if anyone is thinking of getting one.

Contradictionincarnate Tue 19-Mar-13 08:55:22

bplp I love those bat reigns ... so cute! I suspect I will be using some.

Contradictionincarnate Tue 19-Mar-13 08:59:25

seriously considering a right off of a day ... not going to bother attempting shower etc ... don't wanna express either but need to if I'm to go out on thursday night!

Contradictionincarnate Tue 19-Mar-13 09:00:05

that last post shouldn't have had the extra a

YellowWellies Tue 19-Mar-13 09:01:55

Stunt sorry didn't get your jist are uk plugs safe anyway or safe with plug covers? xx

Passmethecrisps Tue 19-Mar-13 09:20:00

Like those reins! No problem with reins. Once had to stand the car on its nose because a child - who had been holding the parent's hand - suddenly bolted out in front of me. The parent managed to grab the child by the coat hood and sort of pinged them back. Had they not been able to do this the child would have been under th wheels of my car.

I am not sure about child proofing yet. I will both snip the blind cords and get hooks to hold them very high up. I think we will get a stair gate for the top of the stairs. Table corner edge things and some of those bookcase screw things which hold stuff to the wall. Like others have said we will need to wait to see what sort of child P becomes so we know what to do.

What p definitely is is strange. She got up at 7:20. By 8am she was mooing and whining to go back to bed. I tried to keep her up for a while but by 8:20 I gave up and popped her in her basket. She is in there now. Still not sleeping but just chilling. Every so often she looks like she might dose off but then she starts doing crunches. Her stomach muscles are amazing! Honestly, she has been doing crunches for almost an hour. She is now looking very sleepy but is staring at me. Every time I glance at her she smiles.

Passmethecrisps Tue 19-Mar-13 09:22:04

yw my understanding is that UK plus are safe without covers. Teu are designed to only open the live connection when he top prong is entered. This is why the covers are potentially dangerous - they can be entered upside down which means the top hole is opened thus giving access to the live bit.

Pikz Tue 19-Mar-13 09:27:42

Pass I love the idea of P doing crunches in her basket.

LO got up at 6. Was back in bed by 7.45. Slept til 8.30. Will probably want sleep at 10!

Am off to buy carrots, pears and sweet potato to start freezing me some purée! Woop!

Passmethecrisps Tue 19-Mar-13 09:33:44

She does! She is a compulsive exerciser. I will film her doing it one day.

Sweet potato time! How exciting pikz

StuntNun Tue 19-Mar-13 09:34:24

Yep UK plug sockets are safe without covers.

PennieLane Tue 19-Mar-13 09:35:54

Gosh all this baby proofing sounds expensive! Can you get the corner proofing from ikea. LO rolls onto her front and manages to get her knees under her stomach, currently watching her trying to figure out how to move forward~ is desperate to crawl though it will be a couple of months before she manages it, but I need to get thinking about this stuff!

ValiumQueen Tue 19-Mar-13 09:37:04

Not all kids will need all the safety things, but chances are no.2 and no.3 will find new ways of scaring you, and you will have less opportunity to watch them all the time to ensure their safety. DD1 was angelic, DD2 is a climber and into everything.

I forgot, yes, gate on bedroom door to keep child in and/or siblings out.

The plug things apparently make it more likely for kids to get electrocuted if they pull them out as the bits are already pressed in. However I cannot get the fuckers out myself, and the kids get shouted at if they go near them.

There is a service for families with children under 5 that come out and assess your home for childproofing. They have a good look around and give advice on where and what needs childproofing. It is a free service. They can carry out the work for you if you like, however, there is a charge for that. I will find out the name of the scheme.

We are lucky, our house is childproofed already. Perk of being a childminder.

DT2 is being very whiny and attached to me. She is also going though "you are not my mummy" phase and getting very upset if anyone even so much as looks at her! Thank God she is still sleeping well.

Weaning going very well. Day 3 of sweet potato today, then onto three days of carrots. Gave them mini rice cakes yesterday and that went down a treat!

My triplet mum cousin has had her babies home for 3 days. Night 1 - 4 hours sleep, night 2 - 1 hours sleep, night 3 - 2 hours sleep! Ouch!

glendatheveryexcitedwitch Tue 19-Mar-13 09:42:08

Phew - sit down with a brew and toast before uni!!

vq whoa about the car and the shiny willy!!! Poor J with cough, hope it shifts asap

contra hugs

luis do you use makaton or bsl?? I did bsl 1 & 2 at work last year so would love to sign to dots - what age did you start? Is 4mths too early? What signs do you start with? Sorry for the bombardment!!!

Baby proofing, need to tie off blind cords and put extension leads/chargers out of reach - I had a travel cot with all 3 and find them a dogsendas I could plonk them in there with a few toys while I start dinner, go for a wee etc.... Was like a baby jail!!!

Uni was great lots to take in about bursaries, timetables, placements and meeting new people!!

Dots was really tired last night and even fell asleep in her bouncer - which she has never done, she went down at 9pm woooooooo but then woke at 2am for a feed and a chat, gurgle was sweet, but had to feed her back to sleep again and then she slept through - need to get more efficient in the mornings as I'm having to stop her mid way through a feed to get their to childminder!!

Hope you have a fabulous day xx

PetiteRaleuse Tue 19-Mar-13 09:50:24

Just had my rtw chat. Didn't go brilliantly, not sure they want me back.

Garden how is your scar?

How is Eliza doing?

Got anti biotics and wound dressings with calcium something or other in them to help the gash seal up. It has stopped bleeding but oozing a little bit. The uncomfortableness has gone.

Thanks for asking PR

ChunkyChicken Tue 19-Mar-13 09:57:41

DD did another wee all by herself!!! Only been training since Friday. Feel like its a bit too easy.

glenda think the baby signing I did with DD was a simplified BSL. I only got a book from Amazon this one and did a few bits with her, but she spoke quite well so didn't need much. I think I started at about 6mths but I guess the earlier you introduce them, the earlier they learn them.

PetiteRaleuse Tue 19-Mar-13 10:03:50

That's encouraging Chunky I am starting potty training on 2nd April when there will be no more creche and the excitement of daddy being around for four whole days will be over.

With Dd1 of course, not LO.

Contradictionincarnate Tue 19-Mar-13 10:04:51

such a bad start to today again she has emptied both boobs then started crying sad me too sad I hoped she would go back down...
my nipples are killing me and she is shouting at them! will have to give her formula for first time ... dh or dsis etc always given it before.
I can't even bring myself to speak to her this morning sad
think I'm going to have to stop posting for a while
know I will get through this dh text be strong ... others going through worse!

Contradictionincarnate Tue 19-Mar-13 10:08:26

sorry all I should not have posted that hope your all having good days! x
chaising hope your getting the help you need!

Bryzoan Tue 19-Mar-13 10:15:51

Glenda we use makaton - which seems fairly standard for kids struggling with talking round here - it is what the speech therapists use / teach. We did a bit of a different baby sign language at baby sensory which confused me a little to start with - and even now at babysensory with Gregory I use makaton instead of their signs to be consistent with what we use at home.

Irritating things about makaton are thAt you can't just google signs you have to buy really expensive books. And while some signs are easy to use and intuitive, others really aren't. A lot is simillar to bsl but makaton is designed to be used with speech and encourage it rather than be a replacement.

You could sign anything to start with - but relevant stuff like milk and nappy might be good.

If you did want to use makaton 'something special' on cbeebies is great as are the singing hands DVDs www.singinghands.co.uk/ also available on amazon. A few of the singing hands songs are also on YouTube for free.

Bryzoan Tue 19-Mar-13 10:17:51

Ps - hope uni went well yesterday. Very jealous :-)

Vq love your babyproofing tips. Think g is going to make us take ours to a whole new level. Laughed out loud at your playpen tip!

YellowWellies Tue 19-Mar-13 10:27:58

<slaps contra with quiche pilchard> hang out here during the bad times as well as the good. We're all here for you.

Bad night at Casa Wellies J woke up at 11pm and 4am then up for the day at 8.30am which sounds idyllic except both wakings featured 1.5 hours of chat and banter from him. Couldn't get him down so DH who now has the house lurgy had to do it - poor love - feel awful he had less sleep than me, but the boy struggles to settle on me when he can smell milk, so DH has to do it my excuse and I'm sticking to it. Can't decide if I simply put him down too early, if he's still being disturbed by snot, if he disagreed with the chilli I had for tea, if its teething or if the dreaded sleep regression has returned for his four months EDD. I do wish they could write a wee note explaining what's vexing them. I know one bad night doesn't a sleep regression make but wah I can't comfort eat so need my sleep!

Ta for the plug advice stunt and pass I won't be wasting my money on plug protectors then smile . I'm definitely going to see if he'll take to a playpen too,

Evilwater Tue 19-Mar-13 10:29:49

Contra- don't feel bad about formula. I had alot of trouble with breast feeding, N didn't stay latched. He was constantly latching and relatching, and it hurt alot and i cried too. The quiche on here were wonderful.

It's fine to feed him formula, your not a bad mum. You have done very well to get this far.


daisychain76 Tue 19-Mar-13 10:36:15

Morning all. contra hugs. Only skimmed but always like to see posts by gt, donna and thechick. It was funny on the last thread when you mentioned people who don‘t post any more. l had been thinking about shanelle hoping she was ok.

My babyproofing will be stair gates at top and bottom of stairs and making sure there‘s no spare change lying round (after ds swallowed a pound last year!). I am of the school of thought toddlers need to gradually learn there are some things that are unsafe so, within reason and with close supervision, l don‘t babyproof everyything. l suspect H will be slow to crawl/walk anyway as he is very happy watchiing eveerything around him.

Hope your interview went well pp.

Evilwater Tue 19-Mar-13 10:38:40

Baby proffing the house! Eeek. My house is not baby safe. I think I need to get a baby jail (travel cot)


Lily311 Tue 19-Mar-13 10:44:30

Assignment submitted. Only hoping for a pass, I really messed up the studying. Next one is due next month, phew.

Need to catch up. Just wanted to say re helmets, I will use them on scooters and balance bikes/ bikes. My nephew had a fall while he was on the micro scooter, it was onpavement and lost a tooth. He was lucky not to have any other injuries, his helmet saved him.

BigPigLittlePig Tue 19-Mar-13 10:56:17

Dsd loved her bike helmet so much when we got it, that she refused to take it off.

Children do have to learn, within reason, that there is a reason why certain things are off limit, Dsd burnt herself on a match a few months back, not badly, but she now knows why fires, candles, matches, the oven etc are off limits.

contra give yourself a break sweetheart, give LO some formula, pop her in a safe place and make a cup of tea, have a quick wash and get dressed - you'll feel better for it.

Argh, woken up to J coughing like a barking dog, he's got croup sad

Massive hugs to everyone needing them and I will repeat what others have said, DO NOT stop posting because you're feeling like crap we're here to support each other! smile

Also, lovely to hear from you GT smile

ValiumQueen Tue 19-Mar-13 10:59:15

It is worth getting babies used to baby jails before they are mobile as they can get a bit pissed off if their freedom is suddenly taken away.

contra forgive me I have not really absorbed what is happening with you at the moment as I have been dealing with my own feeding issues. Just wanted to say please do stay and post, and would you consider posting on feeding threads. TikTok is ace. It is hard giving formula when you are a bf mummy, and odd for baby too, but if you have a happy baby after it helps ease the pain, and you will both get used to it x

ValiumQueen Tue 19-Mar-13 11:01:49

Bugger tits hope it soon passes. I fucking hate croup!

The helmets I meant were for 24/7 use around the house, park etc. you can get them! I was only joking about wanting to get one. I think. Helmets are essential for bikes and suchlike.

Contradictionincarnate Tue 19-Mar-13 11:38:31

dd been having a bottle of formula most days just not me doing it. she has had formula now 200ml and back on the boob hoping it will make her sleepy so I can sleep.

PurplePidjin Tue 19-Mar-13 11:57:59

I'm back i can only offer brew and cake to those in need.

Interview was ace. Playworker for early years sn charity. I did sticking, glitter, wheels on the bus, dressing up and magic spells. Will hear by the end of the week. Now off for lunch with a friend so dp can recover from looking after R all morning!

ChasingDaisy Tue 19-Mar-13 12:04:26

Waah so much to catch up on!

Just getting O to sleep then catch up time.

O just did a proper grown up laugh, which made me laugh and then we both couldn't stop laughing! He even squealed. He's awesome grin

Donnadoon Tue 19-Mar-13 12:49:09

Waves to Daisy76 Where has Nervous gone? Hope she ok too.

ValiumQueen Tue 19-Mar-13 12:53:03

chasing see, it is possible to laugh and feel happy without your exP in your life smile these moments will get longer, and more frequent x

Not happy with J. Doing the back arching, obviously in discomfort thing. I have hardly been able to put him down. His poos are much much better, and he is sleeping and feeding better, but I still think there is an intolerance of something going on. He was perfect over the weekend. Started getting worse yesterday. Similar pattern to detective IIRC, but without vomiting.

I will take him to baby clinic and ask for a trial of the lactose free stuff, as that is what the HV said would be the next step. It is clearly not a major allergy, and may well be temporary due to the lactose overload.

If you think I am totally barking up the wrong tree do say x

TheDetective Tue 19-Mar-13 13:00:14

Fucking hell.

Can you believe what DP just said?!

DP: "I haven't got anything done I wanted to get done today". (Said because I asked him to get O to sleep)
Me: "Oh, really? What did you want to do today?"
DP: "I don't know, I just wanted to sit down for half an hours peace".

Now. Bare in mind that he had ) for 2 hours this morning. I have had him since. He has been chatting to his friends on FB since.

Fucking dick. I gave him 'the look'. He knows he has overstepped the line. What a twatty comment! Fair enough if he had proper things to do. We are having an evening out first time since O! tonight, and are both having our hair done later this afternoon. He will be having plenty of time to relax. Twat.

MIL is very excited. She is having O for the hour we are having hair done. And then we will go for an early dinner (she lives opposite hairdressers!). Then she is having him while we go to the cinema! She has been itching to get him for a few hours days since he was born! I've got to get used to leaving him. Now he is happier, I am happier about leaving him. But not for long yet!

TheDetective Tue 19-Mar-13 13:01:06

Oh, we have a paeds consultant appt for thursday where I work. Excellent. No need to pay for private consultation.

Will get to take O in and show off too!

TheDetective Tue 19-Mar-13 13:04:16

VQ you can buy the lactose free if you want to try it first? It is a small tin. Get it in boots. It is £5.99. Lasts us 2.5 days, but that is obviously exclusively bottlefeeding. It might be worth a try first, so you don't have to wait for clinic/prescription etc.

I just rang the GP and requested the prescription with reception. Said I had tried it and it had worked. They didn't question it.

I'd send you some, but it will take longer to reach you most likely!

YellowWellies Tue 19-Mar-13 13:04:51

Sounds like the right tree to me VQ. I often wonder though if DS's serious dairy and soy issues were caused by damage to his gut from lactose overload when I had oversupply issues (at about 6 weeks). Can't tell cause from effect. Sadly my supply is now fine but the intolerances remain - so lactose free may work but it might be that he needs a soy and dairy free formula and careful weaning if the damage to his gut remains.

TheDetective Tue 19-Mar-13 13:05:01

VQ it is also worth bearing in mind that it could just be him getting used to the formula? How many days has it been now? 3?

TheDetective Tue 19-Mar-13 13:07:18

YW Makes sense. I thought I had an oversupply too. I can't be sure, I know I had an incredibly fast let down, and there was a lot of gulping, and latching on and off going on. I'll never know!

I am intending to try introducing regular formula at 6 months, once his gut has had chance to recover.

His could be temporary, as I think it started due to infection/cold.

Sophiathesnowfairy Tue 19-Mar-13 13:07:21

Get Fucking In

Good morning alert.

1. took O to be weighed, since he has been born he has been slowly going from 75th to 50th line. Am not worried as he seems healthy enough, but always has a cold, and seems to not be too enamoured with milk. The HV said "I'm not supposed to say this but he might just be one of those that is better weaned" I thank you. Which is why I started on Saturday if you please.

2. Waited for an hour in the DRs for my multi, triple supertastic appointment.

No crying
No whining
No kicking the back of the drivers seat


grin grin grin

I just gave her the facts. She said, " you do seem to be an ideal candidate for a sterilisation". I said, trying to look solemn and not grin and dance around the room, " great thanks"

So let's just hope it gets sent off quick smart.

In the meantime she has given me something that should stop the bleeding, which is now getting worse instead of better.

Which means crosses fingers and sends up multiple prayers, I might be able to get a wedding Anniversay shag.

PetiteRaleuse Tue 19-Mar-13 13:10:16

DD1 has just shat herself in my bed. I cleaned it up with a cloth, changed her nappy and told her to sleep on the other side of the bed and will change the sheets afterwards. I blame the cake, she only had a little bit but it was very rich.

Still having to dose DD2 with paracetamol to settle her and get her to eat. She keeps chewing on her bottom lip.

Went outside to get some fresh air and the cat came mewing up to me and deposited a mouse at my feet then looked up at me all proud like. The dog then came up and took the mouse, biting into it which made a mess, then ate it.

As he is still vomiting up bits of stuff that he ate the other night I am now looking forward to having to clean up vomit with partially digested mouse in it.

I would like to have a nap now but I have the work conversation from this morning going round and round in my head, and the house smells of shit. It is raining and windy so I can't open the windows.

As I had a bit of a minor meltdown this morning DH has decided I am not coping, and should go back to work, but this morning's conversation with boss was so cold and weird that it would be awful to go back there. I checked at the creche how much it would be for both children full time and she said 2,600€ a month. That's a lot of money.

While i was picking up DD1 from the creche the dog decided to use the sofa as a doormat for his muddy paws. The mouse killing cat is now sat on the changing mat using her bloody mouth to clean herself.

DH has just emailed to say he will be very late back, will I be OK? Well, I kind of have to be.

And now LO is waking up again. And I haven't had lunch. At the end of next week DD1 won't be going to creche anymore and I will have noth of them plus pets at home with me full time.

I don't know how I feel about that.

BigPigLittlePig Tue 19-Mar-13 13:12:40

<cracks out a little dance for sophia>

Off to baby group - we're doing handprints today smile

BigPigLittlePig Tue 19-Mar-13 13:15:07

<stops dancing and feels v solemn after reading prs post>

pr your day sucks.
That is all.

TheDetective Tue 19-Mar-13 13:15:57

Erm. Fuck PR?

I often feel better after a keyboard bashing it out on here? Do you feel better for it?!

Why did you think your boss didn't want you back? Twat. Let me at him!

Erm, lock the animals out for now? Dog can go in garden til he has puked the last of said mouse out?

It will be bed time soon enough, and today will be over thank fuck eh?.

((((((QUICHE HUGS!)))))))

Alternatively, jump on a plane and come visit casa detective!

TheDetective Tue 19-Mar-13 13:17:11

Fucking get in for sure Sophia!

Did they give you tranexamic acid? Is good.

Kyzordz Tue 19-Mar-13 13:21:51

Morning all! Well, not quite. Was Tuesday a specific day or just a run up to sweary fucking Wednesday? <hurries off to catch up on thread>

Kyzordz Tue 19-Mar-13 13:26:07

Yay sophia and how wank pr! (catching up oh so slowly)

Sophiathesnowfairy Tue 19-Mar-13 13:31:56

That's wankbadgers pr are you sure your boss wasn't just a having a bad day too? ((((((((Quiche hug)))))))))))))

detective it's norethisterone.

ValiumQueen Tue 19-Mar-13 13:36:24

sophia great news, but I still think your DH should get done as you have done so much for the family.

He has been on the formula in increasing amounts since Thursday or Friday. Prior to that it was a bottle every three days or so. It feels like a build up thing as he was so good over the weekend. Thing is, he had his jags Thursday, and has a cold/cough, but those symptoms could be an intolerance, although we all have similar. He has had a slight temp too, and of course it could be teeth.

If men had babies and were the main caregiver, they would have developed a diagnostic tool like they have in cars - pop a tube up their bum and get a print-out of what is wrong.

I will discuss with the HV Thursday as agreed last week, and she can do a px there and then. We would have given it a week. I feel like you detective a couple of months and I think he would be ok on regular stuff.

He is asking for boob frequently again to ease the discomfort. This is making me sad as I am wanting him on bottles completely, but I cannot refuse him. Even though it will be making things worse.

PetiteRaleuse Tue 19-Mar-13 13:36:27

If I lock the dog out he barks to come back in. He'll spend ages out there on his on his own terms but If you make him go out he goes mental..

My boss and I don't get on brilliantly, that's all I'm saying on here. I was signed off very early in the pregnancy for back issues and it didn't make me any more popular.

Why won't LO stop fucking crying? No fever, cold gone, tummy soft, not constipated, wtf is wrong? Only symptoms lack of willingness to feed, but not starving herself, and crying til paracetamol takes effect.

ValiumQueen Tue 19-Mar-13 13:42:32

pr so sorry to hear of your shit day. Much as I love my kids the thought of being home with the three of them every day fills me with horror. The days when DD2 is at nursery are enough for me to miss her again, and get stuff done. Not looking forward to the two week holiday coming up. DH said we could go camping. I said fuck off. Ok I only thought that, and said 'no dear'. The thought of being at home with just boy, well that would be awesome.

Bryzoan Tue 19-Mar-13 13:42:44

Contra meant to reply to you earlier - cross posted then got dragged away by the little ones and have been kept on my toes since. Hope your day has picked up and you have got some kip. We are all here to support eachother. Everyone is struggling in different ways - if only the person having the toughest time was allowed to post about difficulties it would get quite lonely! So don't feel bad for posting that you are struggling when you need support.

Pidj - interview sounds awesome. Fancy coming over to entertain play with dd?

ValiumQueen Tue 19-Mar-13 13:43:29

pr teeth?

PetiteRaleuse Tue 19-Mar-13 13:54:22

I don't know. It's been going on since Saturday. I've called the paed and she will see her in 40 minutes. DD1 is going to be furious at being woken from her shitty sleep, but tough bollocks. I hate taking them both into town as carrying onand keeping hold of the other since I hurt myself when I fell with LO back in January is challenging. I don't have a carry car seat for LO so it's a bit of a juggle.

I just looked in one of her ears using my iPhone light and there was masses of gunk that wasn't there before. Bt no fever. Bt she's not herself, not happy. Can teeth really do that? DD1 just sailed through her teething. We put gel on her dummy occasionally but that is all.

Bryzoan Tue 19-Mar-13 13:54:40

Eek - missed everyone else's probs. Pr - that sounds crap. Poor you. Great of dh to say you're not coping then say he'll be home late!

Vq - really feel for you with the feeding. Hope the lactose free formula helps.

Go Sophia! Great news.

Quiche fish to pr's boss, then mr pr, then mr det.

Dd is napping - hurrah! And g has just fallen asleep on me. Can I get him down for long enough to prep dinner and then have a kip myself I wonder?

Kyzordz Tue 19-Mar-13 13:59:17

I think they can have real problems with teeth pr, gunk doesn't sound good, hope the paed can help smile

vq hope j is sorted soon, poor little mite, I think giving it a week is a sensible idea

det do you have the link for those neoprene wraps please? Forgot it and wanted to get E one

ChunkyEasterChick Tue 19-Mar-13 14:11:23

Not really up to speed but detective you saying about how O was on & off, over-supply etc. That's all in line with the tongue tie you found... Just saying. Might not have been 'your fault' iyswim, but as a result of the tongue tie. I know my supply was abundant for far longer with DS than it had been with DD, & I blame the TT for part of that.

Sophiathesnowfairy Tue 19-Mar-13 14:13:02

Thanks VQ after planting the seed the other day, yesterday I asked him to consider it fully and I got a grunt (type= receptive) so that was positive. I just wanted to see if I could get the ball rolling on a sterilisation to see what the response was. I am still happy to go ahead but obviously if DH grunts (type= affirmative) then I can always cancel it.

Hope things go ok at the paeds pr xx

Sophiathesnowfairy Tue 19-Mar-13 14:13:40

I am also pleased that I have actually been listened to.

Right, off to get my no bleeding drugs.

StuntNun Tue 19-Mar-13 14:15:53

<Gets confused and hugs PR with the quiche mackerel> You will manage PR, because you're a mum and you're a star. Today is an extraordinarily bad day by anyone's standards, there won't be many like that. If it's any comfort, my dog ate all the blue tits my cat killed and it was still only the second most disgusting thing she's ever eaten. Don't expect too much of yourself today and you can pick things up tomorrow.

In waiting room for little J's third jabs <sob>. HV didn't have much clue about his problems, mum (also a HV) keeps banging on about weaning but did have a look at his nappy and noticed TMI bits of undigested curdled milk in the diarrhoea /TMI. She thinks it could be a virus. I have drastically cut down on the dairy today so we'll see whether that makes any difference.

Just to cheat you up / make you jealous I won a £50 voucher for a MN survey I did a while back apparently, I have no memory of this! Mum backhanded compliment giver extraordinaire said maybe I could buy some nice make up from Boots. Yes cos I have lots of nice places to go and time to apply makeup.

StuntNun Tue 19-Mar-13 14:16:49

*Cheer you up

ChunkyEasterChick Tue 19-Mar-13 14:28:11

PR sounds like a Bad Day.((hugs)) And it might be worth leaving the potty training for a bit. Remember my DD will be 3 nxt mth, so I left it quite a while. When I thought she was ready in the summer, she asked for nappies again, & promptly did a poo. Apparently that's "normal" I was not aware of such an issue but I didn't want to push it. However, whilst day 1 was VERY tricky and day 2 was awkward due to a birthday party so in pull-ups, she was actually using the potty properly by day 3/Sunday evening, and although she has asked for a nappy for naps, its not to do a poo in iyswim, its just a reassurance thing I think so heartless cow that I am says "No. No nappies during the day now. You're a big girl." And that was it. So shoot me wink and today, no accidents so far & 3 independent, sitting herself on potty, no prompting wees. All I'm saying is, you've got a lot on your plate, she's only just turned 2 & unless she's the one asking to do & being in the driving seat on this, you could leave it until the summer, when clothes are fewer & dry quicker. Remember, you can put a child on a potty, but you can't make them pee.... This is all said w/out a hint of judgement, just gentle advice to give yourself a break & make life easier for yourself & the general only do things you HAVE to do when you have a couple of LOs type vibe

BigPigLittlePig Tue 19-Mar-13 15:32:40

pr I'm glad you're getting her checked over - she's obviously in pain from something, better to make sure there's nothing else going on, even if it does mean visiting the doctor again!

F excelled herself at baby group by doing a huge, outfit-destroying poonami for all to see and hear and smell too

LuisGarcia Tue 19-Mar-13 15:38:19

Bryzoan and Glenda We use makaton. Praise be to Mr Tumble. I think you can start at any age as long as you use it as a supplement to talking to them not a replacement. They'll respond when they're ready. J got the idea within about 4 days but then he was 2.2 when we started.

Kyz this was the link from Detective for the neoprene wrap from my huge list of links for anything I think might be remotely useful

PetiteRaleuse Tue 19-Mar-13 15:43:07

Thanks all smile

DD1 behaved brilliantly at the paed's - she's terrified of drs and nurses since her trip to the hospital so was expecting her to play up. She's showing signs of being ready to toilet train but won't put pressure on either of us. She goes and sits on it fully clothed of her own accord, and tells me when she is doing something in her nappy.

LO had her ear gunk removed but no sign of infection. I asked how to clean baby ears in future and she said DON'T. So glad I didn't. She has a red throat but that could be from so much bawling or just post cold. And her teeth aren't about to come through but it could be that. Keep going til Friday and if no improvement go back. Feeling reassured but wondering how long teething can last...

Came back to no cat or dog vom. Miracle. Glad I have a cheapo wipe clean faux leather childproof and animal proof sofa though.

Feeling better, thanks for your hugs/slaps. The paed was very reassuring too. Stunt not sure I should ask but what was the most disgusting thing?

Pikz Tue 19-Mar-13 15:46:26

Huge hug PR. you may start sweary Wednesday early

Stunt tell her when she babysits you can go out!

PetiteRaleuse Tue 19-Mar-13 15:51:48

Thanks, I will do just that. I am so sick of cunting crappy illnesses and general bollocks. My fucking pets can go and do one. The dog is currently making a massive noise in the garden with squeaky toys. Seems very bouncy after all his puking. Twat. And note to the blackbirds currently making a nest in a bush in the garden? Not a good idea. I know now why they say bird brain. The cat is literally sat there watching them. I hate cats. I loved mine when they were indoor cats and just hunted spiders. Now they are bird and mouse killing bastards.

ChasingDaisy Tue 19-Mar-13 16:05:06

O has just gone with MIL sad First time ever without mummy or daddy. Only a 5 min car journey but still feel awful. And He is now about to take him into work to show him off. That was something I was going to do sad. (I used to work for the same company)

PetiteRaleuse Tue 19-Mar-13 16:17:26

That must be hard Chasing but a good opportunity to look after yourself for a little while. You're doing really well.

ValiumQueen Tue 19-Mar-13 16:18:35

chasing he gets to show baby off today, you get to raise him. Do not get things out of perspective. It will be good for him bonding with O. Try to enjoy the free time. I know it is hard x

ChasingDaisy Tue 19-Mar-13 16:19:59

Looking after myself is currently consisting of sobbing on the sofa. Need to go and buy food but have no motivation whatsoever.

StuntNun Tue 19-Mar-13 16:20:14

Cat poo PR confused <- disgusted face