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November 2012 - The thread where it all starts to get easier. Pretty please?

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StuntNun Wed 13-Mar-13 22:29:25
ValiumQueen Thu 14-Mar-13 01:23:42

Please God let it be so.

Thank you stunt x

PurplePidjin Thu 14-Mar-13 03:04:54


kirrinIsland Thu 14-Mar-13 03:29:39

I hope that's right!

StuntNun Thu 14-Mar-13 03:47:16

<Wanders off to read almost the entire previous thread. I may be some time!>

Contradictionincarnate Thu 14-Mar-13 06:37:34

Here here!!
As in a second stunt not I'm here I'm here! blush

PetiteRaleuse Thu 14-Mar-13 06:48:57

Positive thoughts. Spring, sunshine, daffodils and cherry blossom. Must all be on their way. Along with baby bunnies, chocolate bunnies and fantastically healthy, well behaved November 2012 babies. Who are too young to eat their Easter eggs so we'll have to eat them on their behalf.

Contradictionincarnate Thu 14-Mar-13 06:58:01

here here PR I LOVE spring! seems to have come early past few years ...not this one sad ... long hot summer!?

MadamGazelleIsMyMum Thu 14-Mar-13 07:21:33

Oh yes, please let it get easier. Great thread title stunt

PurplePidjin Thu 14-Mar-13 07:31:05

I won't be eating any easter eggs sad

Pikz Thu 14-Mar-13 07:39:24

It will be it will be

Evilwater Thu 14-Mar-13 08:04:39

N is 23 weeks. It does get easier, he's asleep at the moment so I can have a cuppa in peace.


Lilliana Thu 14-Mar-13 09:59:53

Gah lost post as PR finished thread <must check how many posts left when on p40>

It was something about no routine and won't even try until after sleep regression <gulp, L is 15 weeks tomorrow> L sleeps about every 2 hours.

Also thanks tits I'm also rushing off to m&S website -you should ask for commission!

Taking L for second jabs today sad

Need to think of something to be grateful for will post later

bplp hope dh is ok,will he go and see gp?

Easier would be lovely! smile

Brockle Thu 14-Mar-13 10:01:31

today is easier as I didn't have to do the morning school run smile and its bloody cold outside. Y is 16 weeks today and starting to form his own routine, long may it continue smile

BigPigLittlePig Thu 14-Mar-13 10:04:58

lilliana he's already on antidepressants, I think this bout stems from a few months back, he decided to reduce the dose, with the GP, but rather than do it slowly he thought he knew best so halved the dose. He was fine for 2 weeks then the depression hit badly, so he put the dose back up. He seemed to be getting better, but now I'm not so sure. I asked whether he wanted me to make him an appointment, but he said he's not ready to yet. So for now we will carry on on the same medication.

On a completely separate note, does anyone else's LO get really quite sweaty feet?!

Bryzoan Thu 14-Mar-13 10:20:06

Easier sounds good :-)

Not much sleep here either though I am thankful I got more than tits did.

I am thankful to see stunt back as she so often has such lovely wise words to share.

I am thankful for hearing about life's little victories - go MrG's J!

I am also very thankful for my wonderful new boba carrier - both G and Dd love it and it is soooo comfy to wear, and has a hood. I have a code for 5% off at b2boutique where it came from if anyone is looking for a new carrier.

I am sorry to hear about your cat pr, and also about your husband pig. Perhaps he should pop to the docs if he is feeling a bit strange with it? Sending you patience till he feels better.

Sweetpea it is lovely to hear you sounding supported and happier. I'm thankful for that too.

Just dropped dd at preschool and danced the hokey cokey with her and her class in the sunshine (thankful), had my free coffee (thankful) and did a spot of shopping at waitrose, and am now sat feeding my gorgeous boy in the sunshine (more thankfuls). Got g's weekly hip check in Southampton this afternoon - if I can just stay awake enough to get there and back and the scan shows all is still well it should be a nice day. Happy Thursday all!

YellowWellies Thu 14-Mar-13 10:20:50

Today I'm thankful for the wonderful 17 years I had my Mum. She'd have been 59 today. Sadly this is the year that marks us being longer without her than with her. Feeling more robbed than thankful to be honest, especially as I gaze at my wee man and, given recent news about my Dad's health - wonder if he'll have any memories of grandparents on my side sad

Bryzoan Thu 14-Mar-13 10:27:55

Hugs yw I would feel robbed too. I am so sorry your dad is unwell too and hope he has a good while yet. One of my grandads died before I have real memories I think - but some of the photos of us together and stories about them i've been told are so familiar now that they feel like memories. I am sure that is of little comfort though. X

ValiumQueen Thu 14-Mar-13 10:48:00

Big hug YW make a memory book is my thought. Get your Dad on board too if he is well enough and it would not distress him further. I got my mum and dad to do one as they are 70 and 80 so unlikely to be around to see my kids into adulthood. It is lovely and my mum found it particularly helpful. DHs Dad died before we were married, and my DD said the other day she really misses him. She never knew him, but he is talked of so often she thought she had. We actually think she saw him as a toddler as there was a corner of his lounge that she used to look at and smile at, proper engage with, like there was someone there. She was barely speaking, and some folks are of the opinion that wee ones are most susceptible to spirits at that age. Bit woo, but a comfort all the same.

Lilliana Thu 14-Mar-13 10:51:08

I'm thankful for my lovely friends who although they have lots going on, live far away and we don't get to see each other very often still think of us and make the effort to see us whenever they can.

I'm thankful L is healthy after her check yesterday and I'm sure I should be thankful for jabs (not feeling that way atm but will once they are over and she is protected from horrible diseases)

I'm thankful I got some sleep last night and feel slightly more human.

I'm thankful for all of you lovely ladies and man for all your support and wise words.

Sophiathesnowfairy Thu 14-Mar-13 10:51:44

yw you made me cry. sad big hugs. Xxxx thanks

That Katy what's her face Apprentice woman is everywhere at the mo. WHY? confused

Went to Windsor. Had 09:00-12:00. By myself. No need to worry about feeds. How long was I? Well my parking was less than an hour.

Now ladies I need your opinion. I ave had four children and worn high heels for years and wrecked my feet. I have a bunion. <wails> ....but I like high heels. They look nice with dresses for work. But I just can't do it anymore. So I was wondering about whether these are just too square shoes

I have had some Ecco boots this winter and they are so comfy. So I am wondering if they might just keep me in heels.

Anway what do you think?

BigPigLittlePig Thu 14-Mar-13 10:58:23

sophia they are still higher than anything I can safely wear confused. I had to attend a court case a few years back, but had to work in the morning so rocked up wearing uber-smart togs and heels. Nearly crippled myself. It's a bloomin' good job there were no dramas that needed running to that day!

Pikz Thu 14-Mar-13 11:09:55

I think they are great for work Sophia.

YW huge huge hugs xxx I like VQs idea of a memory book.

Hugs YW. VQ's idea of a memory book is lovely.

BP babylaughalot gets sweaty feet. I thought they were just cold the first time I noticed, but they were definitely wet too confused

Today I'm very thankful that babylaughalot is happy and well, and truly living up to her name at baby massage yesterday, dissolving into fits of belly laughs when I reached her armpits grin

Loving seeing the meet up pictures on FB, I'd be up for a midlands meet too.

kirrinIsland Thu 14-Mar-13 11:30:54

Hugs YW I have a photo album with family pictures in for the girls, as we don't see them all that often and I want them to be familiar. I have included a picture of Mum as I want them to know her, even though N never met her and DD1 was only 9 months when she died so won't actually remember her. I think having your own children is a comfort but also makes it even more heartbreaking iyswim. thanks

Passmethecrisps Thu 14-Mar-13 11:31:24

YW I like VQ's suggestion of a memory book. I hope you get through today ok. It must be really hard. Is your sister near you? Are you marking the day together at all?

P is covered in wee dry patches. Her cheeks were really bad so the doc gave her some hydrocortisone which cleared them up almost immediately. However, they have gone back to looking really dry and sore within 2 days of not using it. I am off to Sainsbury's later so what should I get her? I have been using cussons mum and me bed bath foam but I will stop using it.

Also. <coughs awkwardly> my fanjo is broken. There. I said it. My name is passme and I have a broken fanjo. Rather than getting stronger my pelvic floor feels weaker. When I wee it goes everywhere. I am sort of aware of my fanjo all the time. Like it feels heavy. I also took a wee look. Looks broken. My episiotomy hasn't healed properly.

What to do?

glendathefedupwitch Thu 14-Mar-13 11:40:35

Moooooooorrrrrrrrrrnnnnniiinnnggggggg!!!!! <runs and slides on knees into the quiche and hugs you all> I've missed you guys!!!!!

Last day of our hols and we've dodged snow but been battered with winds and cold temps!!! Managed to do lands end, st Ives & Plymouth!! Dottie went for her first swim and loved it followed by her first movie at the cinema (which she slept/fed/chattered through. Sleep regression hasn't caught up with us yet (hopes it's not sat waiting next to the cot at home getting angry!!) and other than transfer taking 2/3attempts she's slept like a dream!!!

Holiday been ok but I'm doing just as much as at home and getting pissed off with having to remind everyone read dh to pick up keys, wallet, coats etc yet no one thinks of me so I've forgotten feeding cushion twice, Muslins, toys and my purse once grrrrrrrr!!!!

Anyway have only skimmed so here's what I can remember:

pikz yay glad LO has evaded hospital and on the mend

eliza wooooooooo glad you and E are home safe n sound - should be able to give you some dates for meet up next week once I get timetables!!!

detective hugs for you and O - hope meds/new formula works xxx

wellie hugs flower xxx

Hi 5's to sophia, bp, pr, vq, luis, pp, mm, madam, Lilian's, 311, miss, tits, yw and all you other gorgeous quiche members

sweetpea1112 Thu 14-Mar-13 11:52:28

What a lovely post Bry thank you for your kind words.

YW thinking of you. VQ's idea is a good one. Lots of photos if possible.

VQ O always chats and smiles to a particular wall in the living room. DP thinks it is his dad who passed away a few years ago.

More thankfuls. The weather for being lovely and allowing me and O to have a lovely long walk, bringing some much needed sunshine and brightness into our life.

The M&P delivery which had just arrived, as it Is O's snug which I know he will love as his new favourite trick is trying to sit up unaided.

Lilliana Thu 14-Mar-13 12:00:37

Hugs to YW, another one who loves the memory box/book idea.

Hi Glenda, good to have you back

Sorry to hear about your fanjo Pass sad sounds like you need to get to the docs. There was a lady with a broken fanjo the other day and they fixed it (not suggesting you get your fanjo out on TV!)

Have used the word fanjo far too many times this post grin

Lilliana Thu 14-Mar-13 12:01:16

oops on embarrassing bodies

YW lots of photos are a good idea. DP's family all live abroad and DS will probably only see them every couple of years so we are making a big photo collage to put on his bedroom wall. We talk about them a lot as well.

DS had his third lot of jabs this morning and is now fast asleep on my chest. I'm hungry but don't want to wake him. We are going to a weaning class this afternoon so he needs to sleep or he will be miserable mid afternoon.

ValiumQueen Thu 14-Mar-13 12:10:41

I am thankful I didn't do a Dexter on the receptionist at the GP this morning.

pass it was J who had blood in the poo. I saw the Dr weeks back when it happened and said I thought it was an intolerance or absorption thing relating to lactose, and she said it was an anal fissure.

detective see above ^^ the Dr and HV said those symptoms are colic. Thank you for the link. I am sure that is what it is. I have been doing all the things right to rectify it, and it is still going on, so will put him on lactose free formula over WE and see if it helps. I will not get to see a GP, but if it does help, I can tell them I fucking told them so, and get it on prescription.

J is due his jags today at 2. Last time I turned up at before 2 and he was not seen by 2.45 so had to get A and go back. They were not polite to me. This morning I went in and asked if I could put my name on the list so I could ensure I was seen in time as today I also have to get B at 3.30 so could not go back. The bitch said no. Cannot take any names before 1.45 and even then there is no guarantee, even with my circumstances. I said I would sit and wait then, at 9.15 so granted slight piss take. She said I was not allowed. I said I would be back at 1 to ensure I would be first in queue. She said that was not allowed either. Twat.

J this morning has fed from me, screaming throughout. Just given him a bottle and he is fast asleep on my lap. He is self weaning as he knows my milk is hurting him. It is not because the bottle is easier as it is a number 1 teat and my milk is plentiful, although I know it will tail off as he feeds less.

So plan for Jacob is as follows:

Buy and try lactose free formula over weekend if I can find it

Gradually wean off breast onto bottle

Go to GP next week regardless of whether it works

If we do not get seen today by 2.30 for jags, through no fault of my own, to see GP tomorrow and get them even if I have to do a formal complaint

How does that sound Team Nov?

BigPigLittlePig Thu 14-Mar-13 12:13:08

MIL has invited herself round this afternoon. Not in the mood.

ValiumQueen Thu 14-Mar-13 12:13:38

pass agree GP is your first port of call. Sorry to hear that.

PetiteRaleuse Thu 14-Mar-13 12:19:11

Sounds like a plan VQ

sympathies pig I have no family within 900 km and sometimes that's a PITA but most of the time it's a blessing.

Sophiathesnowfairy Thu 14-Mar-13 12:23:47

Hi 5 glenda welcome back. Sounds like you have had a great hols despite the weather.

ValiumQueen Thu 14-Mar-13 12:24:27

Welcome back glenda

Sophiathesnowfairy Thu 14-Mar-13 12:28:07

pass was going to suggest Embarrassing Bodies but liliana beat me to it. grin

Aveeno for the dry skin my lovely. Interestingly I don't usually use anything to bath O, other than water obviously, and when we were away he went in with DS1 and some of that cushions mum and me stuff but for babies and he got terrible eczema on his face and head. You may remember I thought it might be slap cheek. Am now pretty sure is that bathing stuff.

ShellyBobbs Thu 14-Mar-13 12:31:41

Hope you'll be ok YW, hugs a plenty on here x

VQ I'd go at 1 anyway, but I kick off at the doctors all the time (remember whooping cough gate grin )

Hope the sleep fairies visit non-sleeping babies tonight and mummies get some well deserved sleep.

Tommy flat out on my chest after third lot of jabs, crashed out after an explosive poonarmi which resulted in him having everything changed bar his socks. what was I saying on fb about fantastic Aldi nappies

sweetpea1112 Thu 14-Mar-13 12:32:23

I have just bought some Aveeno for O's dry scalp. Do I put it on and leave it? Or wash off?

Donnadoon Thu 14-Mar-13 12:48:10

Hola smile

YellowWellies Thu 14-Mar-13 12:55:57

Awww thanks quiche. VQ that sounds like a kick ass plan. If there is a hell I hope there is a special area for that sort of doctors' receptionist!!!

Pass I'm still getting red blood from my epis so am pretty convinced its not healed right either. I'd go to the doctor except for the fecking receptionist issues....

Sophiathesnowfairy Thu 14-Mar-13 12:59:37

sweetpea I put it on and leave it soak in, then obviously it washes of in the bath. But then we only bath on Monday's, Wednesday's and Saturday's!

Sophiathesnowfairy Thu 14-Mar-13 13:01:29

Plan vq xx

ValiumQueen Thu 14-Mar-13 13:01:34

Been reading up about lactose overload. Seems obvious now. Why did nobody HCP suggest it?

There are some sites that say lactose free formula is unnecessary or even dangerous (may be shite sites) and some say it is oversupply, some poor supply. One sided feeding is mentioned as a culprit, and we have that.

I have had enough. I am swapping to formula. If I had had help when I asked for it weeks ago, I would have been willing to try, but he is 20 weeks now and I am too fucking tired.

He has been asleep on my lap so we will get to GP for about 1.30 as he is having another wee feed from me.

Donnadoon Thu 14-Mar-13 13:16:52

Do you know what I was thinking about you VQ and its a bloody wonder you haven't made yourself Ill ... I mean like getting yourself really ran down or something, what with all the feeding and the sleepless nights..I think you've done bloody amazing.
My DD has 10 ozs of formula a day now and it makes my life that bit more bearable as I have been suffering from a nasty throat infraction for a month
She wakes me at 3am every single night without fail but has been in her basket since 8pm so I'm not moaning
Anyway be kind to yourself and do what's right for you.

sweetpea1112 Thu 14-Mar-13 13:18:57

VQ You have breastfed J for almost 5 months! That is fucking amazing. I managed barely 5 days.

Nobody will blame you for switching to formula and there are plenty of quiche members ready to dish out wet fish slaps if you even think of feeling guilty.

BigPigLittlePig Thu 14-Mar-13 13:23:09

<hands back exceedingly tatty and odorous wet fish>

PurplePidjin Thu 14-Mar-13 13:25:42

I am thankful for babies who have finally learned how to fall and stay asleep in the car seat. I have cooked and eaten a kedgeree and have nearly finished my coffee, he dropped off in the sling at dp's hospital appointment this morning and has slept through the transfers! I might try and make the cartot and ginger cake dp wants in a sec...

Can't help on any questions so brew all round instead, sorry

Jims Thu 14-Mar-13 13:48:18

Waaay too much to comment on but here's what I remember:

Eliza glad you've escaped.
VQ well done you for getting this far with bf. I'm still on a week at a time mantra. 18 down...
detective hope the feeds are going better. Babies that don't feed are so stressful.

What is it with naps in the cot? 10 mins - that's all. The boy is absolutely knackered and it took me 40 mins to get him to go to sleep the first time. I thought swimming would knock him out this morning but as soon as we got home in the buggy he was awake again. Must remember cannot complain too much as he's very good at nights. Repeat to self over and over as I now leg it up the stairs. Again. Think I will be walking the streets with the buggy, at least it's sunny if cold.

Pikz Thu 14-Mar-13 13:48:27

VQ that is a plan... Hope you are kicking ass as I wrote this! Do the formula... I say this as someone who drove themselves into the ground feeding. I now enjoy feeding time as the zoo and playing.

Welcome back Glenda.

My boy is being the biggest trooper. Vomits up mucus and then just laughs. Amazing how babies are so much better patients than adults.

Jims Thu 14-Mar-13 14:09:37

so it turns out he'd rolled from front to back for the first time and got stuck - despite having done the opposite several weeks ago! am now trying to make tea one handed as F won't be put down and I have to go to nursery parents' evening later so need something in the oven.

Izzybuzzybuzzybees Thu 14-Mar-13 14:59:18

pass it's good that you realise you have a problem with your fanjo. I too have a fucked up fanjo though hopefully yours is not as bad as mine. I actually got the date through for my fanjo surgery....27th march. It's not feasible to get it done so soon so most likely will be towards October time. I need people to help me with childcare as I won't be able to lift anything for 12 weeks. I recommend you going to dr and getting a referral to GYN. The problem is most surgeons will not operate until you are 100% sure you have completed your family so even if there is a problem it is likely you will be referred to woman's physio first. I had problems after having my daughter and was seen by GYN and basically left alone with physio until family is finished.

vq that's sounds like a very organised plan. I know nothing of regular formula never mind lactose free so cant help much but sending some hugs!

As for me I had a great night with J. Like actually awesome! We have him EBM at 7.30 then he fed from me for around 40mins at 10pm. Then he went in cot at 11.15 and slept til....<drumroll please> 4am!!!! He was then back down by 4.30and slept til 7am!! Woo fucking hoo!! So tonight we are going to do the same thing with bottle of EBM. Who knows if that's what worked but I'll give it a try. I have a stack in fridge and freezer so may as well use it!

PennieLane Thu 14-Mar-13 15:03:32

That sounds like a really good plan VQ five months is fucking amazing and don't forget it. Now you have to do what's best for you both and he'll be weaned soon anyway.

Woman at class today has baby with silent reflux, has been told to wean to homemade organic green only apple juice to put the meds is. Baby is 17 wo, seems odd to me?

Today I am thankful for my new pushchair!!! From gumtree. First time LO has slept more than 20 mins in the day in a week! Just did 2.5 hrs. I don't know if its because lack of pushchair coincided with sleep regression but its been tough!

Finally he's asleep! First time all day/night, he is on his belly against my belly after feeding, I literally have to hold him tummy to mummy otherwise he lays on his back and tries to wrench my nipple off with his gums by pulling his head back.
I have to go out in 1 hour so hopefully he'll sleep until then.
I don't dare move and my drink is just out of arms length sad arse.

I have just hovered in tesco over formula, one more stab at continuing to bf, if he's still refusing sleep and yelling its going to have to be formula for us.

horseylady Thu 14-Mar-13 15:21:57

Vq hope you got sorted!!

pass drs for you lady!! Get it checked!!

Erm sophia I like those shoes!! They too would constitute as no heal for me smile

Not much more to add. Am very sleepy. But my mood has now somewhat lightened. Until dh comes home probably!!

fruitpastilles Thu 14-Mar-13 16:03:04

VQ you have done brilliantly feeding J for this long, what ever you do next will be in his and your best interest! Happy mummy = happy J.
I always feel really guilty that I wasn't able to establish breast feeding with S, J has had 5 months of mummy goodness.
Today I am mostly thankful for calpol, and I am thankful that I have actually been able to get some into S!

ValiumQueen Thu 14-Mar-13 16:04:47

Thank you all. I felt the force of the quiche with me smile

donna it was that very reason that I am stopping. My mental elf ain't wot it should be, and my poor body is shattered. Enough is enough. I will be ok.

pikz thank you x I love the feeding time at the zoo comment.

Well, I went to the clinic at 1.40 and booked in to see the nurse. I was told I was second on the list. Really? said I. I was told at 9.15 that no names would be taken until 1.45. The girl said the other lady (who I had seen this morning) had put the name down. I will be writing to the Practice Manager.

Jags went ok. He was very brave and smiling again before he left the room. Hope he will be ok.

Saw my mate who is the HV. She knew nothing of lactose overload so I told her all about it and she looked totally bamboozled. She asked if I would like to see a dietician, and I politely said that diet has no effect whatsoever on overload - it is an absorption issue and that I had already done everything I could to rectify my side of things. She advised me to give him regular first milk, and if it is a cows milk issue then it will be clear very quickly, and to get in touch and he would be put on lactose free milk.

izzy well done both of you! Long may it continue.

sweetpea1112 Thu 14-Mar-13 16:06:56

Izzy that is bloody marvellous sleeping!

O has taken to mewing like a cat when tired. Cute. Glad I don't have a dog.

sweetpea1112 Thu 14-Mar-13 16:08:13

Tits same to you as I said to VQ - you are bloody wonderful for breastfeeding for this long - problems or no problems. No guilt to be had of you feel formula is right for you.

StuntNun Thu 14-Mar-13 16:09:18

Sweetpea, I rub the cream into J's scalp about ten minutes before his bath, putting loads on, then wash it off in the bath with a facecloth to remove the dry skin. Don't use shampoo as it will dry the skin and if you're going to use bath additive, use one for eczema / dry skin such as Oilatum Junior or Dermol.

Please don't let me put you off switching to formula VQ but my Ds2 had terrible trouble with lactose overload - seven green slimy nappies a day at four months coupled with tummy pain and nappy rash from all the awful nappies. Anyway with the agreement of the HV I weaned him early at 16 weeks and the problem cleared up completely within the week and I was able to keep bfing him until nine months. If it is lactose overload then there may not be much point using a lactose-free formula as your J will be producing lactase, just not enough to cope with the high lactose foremilk. Unless his gut lining is irritated and inflamed, he should cope fine with normal formula. What about buying one of those little cartons to give him a try before you get a whole box?

Tits why not buy the formula? You don't need to use it right away if you don't want to but you'll have a backup there ready for if / when you feel you need it.

DH is home from Austria. He's playing his guitar while I vainly try to settle an overtired screaming baby. Sigh. Still at least he didn't have to go back in to work today.

I haven't caught up yet so here's a massive (((( quiche group hug )))) for the rest of ya.

MissMummy1 Thu 14-Mar-13 16:10:14

Lots of hugs to you and your DSis YW xxx

Car shopping was a bit of a fail. We have decided to take a tiny loan through our CU and buy a reasonable cheapish second hand car. I will buy a newer one if/when I go back to work full time. Have seen a few so just waiting for a decision from CU before commiting. Narrowed it down to the following:

Ford CMax
Peugeot 307 estate
Chevrolet Lacetti estate (dp says no way)

This may all change. Any proud owners of any of the following care to advise?

VQ I think you are making an excellent decision x

DP asked last night if I wanted to mix feed/switch to formula. It is taking me hours to express anything and as I gradually pick up more work this is beginning to bother me a bit. His suggestion was totally out of the blue and hadnt even crossed my mind -she has been ebf until now. I am still undecided.

StuntNun Thu 14-Mar-13 16:11:19

Not sure if I was clear in my last post VQ, I meant buy a wee carton of formula to check whether it agrees with him or not.

fairimum Thu 14-Mar-13 16:13:29

when DS was on omeprazole, he had the capsules and we opened them up and sprinkled on some apple puree... and he had it from a spoon? was much better than the dissolving etc...

ValiumQueen Thu 14-Mar-13 16:13:47

I am thankful that J slept after his jags and is beaming and laughing in his bouncer.

I am thankful I got to school on time.

I am thankful detective posted that link for me this morning thanks and I have the support of this quiche.

I am thankful my baby takes a bottle, and that we have easy access to formula and medical care, jags etc.

I am thankful for my saggy old tits as they have served me and my babies well grin and will continue to serve DH well for the forseeable future (his words).

fruitpastilles Thu 14-Mar-13 16:16:36

VQ grin

ValiumQueen Thu 14-Mar-13 16:21:23

Thank you stunt as always sound advice, and encouraging to hear your experience. I plan to introduce solids next week once he is past the jags. He is 20 weeks and I was planning to start at 22 anyway, and open to starting at 20 if it seemed right. I will continue to offer the boob for as long as he wants it. I am in no hurry to swap completely and do not want to get sore norks. I am alternating feeds at the moment and it seems to be helping. He is going longer as not in discomfort so not seeking a comfort feed thus causing the spiral.

horseylady Thu 14-Mar-13 16:21:50

mm ford probably. Is the plan for you to go full time? I'm a bit confused with what you did/didn't do lol

Right rtw form do I go back end of June or end of July? I think I need to call the nursery as I've got no idea when he's supposed to start!!

horseylady Thu 14-Mar-13 16:24:27

vq good luck with the switchover. I've never heard of half these things. Someone was talking about children being at risk if a strawberry and raw tomatoes a risk.

I worked as a chef for a good 5 years and never bloody heard of this. I heard of ALOT of allergies. No one ever said about strawberries and tomatoes?!

MissMummy1 Thu 14-Mar-13 16:27:17

VQ you owe me a new phone - mine is now covered in spat out tea grin

Horsey I am a primary school teacher but have no ft job to go back to so I am tutoring in the meantime.

Lilliana Thu 14-Mar-13 16:41:42

Good plan VQ grin at thankful to boobs comment

second all said about switching to formula.

Yay wrt the sleep izzy, you needed that. Long may it last.

Jabs done and L seems ok after initial scream.

StuntNun Thu 14-Mar-13 16:44:23

<Cheers at the news that VQ's J is on the up.>

ValiumQueen Thu 14-Mar-13 16:55:58

mm oops!

horsey my DDs had their first strawberries sat outside A&E just in case.

Passmethecrisps Thu 14-Mar-13 17:08:01

Hi-20 James!! Woo hoo izzy! It was obviously my talking to that did if last night.

Fist bump to the ever stoic VQ. Is it any wonder that the UK has issues with BF when our HP seem to clueless about such issues. Little J has been given so much by you - you only need to look at him to see that. Moving on slowly now sounds like the right thing for you all.

No dexter watched yet BTW. I think it might be a weekend marathon job.

izzy at my 6 week check (which was actually at 10 weeks) I mentioned this and the doc thought I might have a slight prolapse. She said they would send me for physio. I think I am going to get a coil fitted anyway so I keep thinking I'll get it all sorted at once. I am being a total child about it though. Bizarrely after having had my norks and fanjo practically public property the thought of an internal makes me feel a bit queezy. I have AF at the moment so I can put it off a bit longer.

Was it yw that said receptionist gate was putting you off? In know exactly what you mean. My GP is really nice but he is a blusher. For example I once damaged something in my rib cage when coughing. It caused me sharp pain for months. Eventually I went to see him about it. He said I would probably benefit from a steroid injection in my breast bone - but he didn't fancy doing it so good luck!

fruitpastilles Thu 14-Mar-13 17:21:41

Does anyone know anything about not going back to work? As in do you need to pay maternity payback?

ValiumQueen Thu 14-Mar-13 17:30:45

fruit yes you do, but I think only what work contribute, not SMP. It is usually 3 months you need to go back for. Request part time and use AL to cover it? Go sick? Move house?

Passmethecrisps Thu 14-Mar-13 17:32:20

Sorry. Can't help fruit. I am sure someone will have a clue though.

Well I went out to buy P a captain calamari after her clearly converting mm's M's one. She looked massively unimpressed sadly.

Sophiathesnowfairy Thu 14-Mar-13 17:36:44

mm I think the Cmax. I have a friend who is quite senior at jag/ford and previously Another luxary car manufacturer and she always says go for what car manufacturers do well and Ford are a family car manufacturer and that is what they are good at. Sounds like a sensible opinion to me. She actually had an SMax for ages and loved it.

ValiumQueen Thu 14-Mar-13 17:37:31

izzy I think James will be sleeping better because he has more room, is not disturbed by parents noises, but mostly because he cannot smell food or see food. If we were asleep next to dime bar cake, or whatever your favourite is, then it would be oh so tempting to have a wee taste, especially if that came with a warm soft loving snuggle with your most favourite person.

When I worked nights in the Prison in the winter I would open the air vents so if anyone was prepared to get out of their warm bed to press their buzzer, I knew they had a good reason to do so, otherwise they would think fuck it and roll over. Babies are very similar.

Sophiathesnowfairy Thu 14-Mar-13 17:37:44

fruit like vq says, but check the time you have to go back for, my company it's a year or you payback. On a pro rate basis.

Contradictionincarnate Thu 14-Mar-13 17:38:16

pass I LOVE captain calamari! mines called jacquetta after famous female pirate for a while I liked her much more than dd!

rootypig Thu 14-Mar-13 17:39:16

hello quiche

Pass and Izzy thanks for your broken fanjos. mine is not broken any more but is defo still in shock, it sends its sympathies. Izz good luck with surgery and Pass, get thee to a doctor asap! broken fanjos get worse if not fixed. fwiw I find sexual health clinic doctors better than GPs for all issues fanjo. but then I seem to have had shite GPs the last one gave me a prescription for more than the max daily dose of my arthritis painkillers, the numpty

Sweet I use Aveeno daily (body) moisturiser on S, it's so light I just use it as a moisturiser all over her, including scalp, no washing off. I don't particularly try to get rid of the flakes, she has so little hair as it is! oh and Pass DH has eczema and LO has dry skin so am somewhat versed in these things - I would just avoid all detergents tbh, they don't need them at this age anyway. for stubborn eczema you need a good all purpose emollient cream - you can add that to their bath if need be. Epaderm is great (on prescription). But I imagine cutting out the Cussons and using something like E45 or Aveeno lotion will clear up LO's skin soon enough. Or a vegetable oil (not nut): sunflower, grapeseed, olive all good.

I am thankful for the sunny day we've had here today. I am thankful for my sweet and healthy baby girl. I am thankful that we have everything that we need to live, and more. I am thankful for DH's renewed effort to engage with our marriage.

S is coming up to 19 weeks on Thursday and has been a bit of a grumpy git for a few days - much more difficult to settle for her naps than usual, and to settle back in the night, wanting to be held, fussing at the breast. Just thought to check the wonder weeks website and there it is - between 18 and 20 weeks they are discovering events hmm. I don't see why this involves un-discovering events she had previously worked out, like going the fuck to sleep, hey ho

ValiumQueen Thu 14-Mar-13 17:41:21

contra somewhat concerned you like a toy more than you like your DD?

ValiumQueen Thu 14-Mar-13 17:45:04

On second thoughts, there are times I prefer Ewan to the squealing little toad next to it grin

rootypig Thu 14-Mar-13 17:52:01

oh YW I wanted to send thanks for your mother's anniversary - and the news of your dad. hugs.

sweetpea1112 Thu 14-Mar-13 17:58:24

Just trying to catch up after spending two sodding hours convincing Oscar that yes, sleep is a very good thing, especially when you are screaming in my ear that you are overtired.

VQ you were a bad ass prison person (warden?). Ha at comparing babies to prisoners.

Thanks for aveeno advice. Have bought the cream, not lotion so think I will need to wash off. Don't use anything in his bath and his body seems fine luckily. Just his poor face and scalp which are very dry. Can't wait for warmer weather and no central heating. Really think I would try and avoid a winter baby in future.

PetiteRaleuse Thu 14-Mar-13 17:58:33

Woo two more episodes of Dexter on tonight. Comic Relief tomorrow night, then the last Twilight and new episodes of Greys and the Following at the weekend. Along with a trip to Germany to buy nappies, wipes and Nuks.

My life is so freaking exciting. <sobs> <wails>

Contradictionincarnate Thu 14-Mar-13 17:59:20

Opps I meant I liked the captain calamari more than dd liked the captain Calamari!!!

justonemorecake Thu 14-Mar-13 18:00:37

horsey I have not heard of children being at risk from strawberry/tomato allergies, but I am allergic to both myself so will probably avoid them for a while. My mum did tell me that strawberries give babies sore bottoms but I don't know if that's true!

I am thankful that my dh tries his best to help out/ be supportive, even if he doesn't always get it quite right. I'm thankful he is always willing to do anything for E and wants to be the best dad he can be.

I had a lovely meal out with friends last night. I was really nervous before I went, but E was very well behaved, even if she did want feeding just as my food came!

I'm glad you had a much better night izzy; it gives me hope that things might eventually improve with E's sleep! I hope you get a repeat again tonight.

PetiteRaleuse Thu 14-Mar-13 18:00:53

Every early evening LO has cried and screamed like a banshee for about an hour before I cave and shove a paracetamol up her bum. Third night in a row, starting bang on at 6.

Any ideas? I've got all the wind out of her that I can, she did have occasional colic between about 5 and 10 weeks old. We have had a couple of days off weaning since Monday as I wanted to get the cold out of the way, so it's not new foods in her little tummy...

Contradictionincarnate Thu 14-Mar-13 18:01:18

pr I'm excited about comic relief too dd has little giraffe t-shirt!
I will have to watch it a lil behind though to forward through the videos else I will just be crying all night!!!

sweetpea1112 Thu 14-Mar-13 18:01:45

Strawberry allergies - I am allergic. Will be avoiding with O until he is older just in case.

fruitpastilles Thu 14-Mar-13 18:02:32

Thank you! I thought as much, luckily for me, what my company adds to smp is pittance, think I'll owe them about £1500 in total hmm
I shall have to speak to them nearer the time about it.

ShellyBobbs Thu 14-Mar-13 18:07:22

Comic Relief last year. I was in bed with that pregnancy exhaustion that kicks your arse. This year I'll probably be in bed with the baby that exhausts me and kicks my arse grin like fuck I will.

ShellyBobbs Thu 14-Mar-13 18:08:48

Detective, how Is the lovely Oscar getting on today?

Contradictionincarnate Thu 14-Mar-13 18:12:55

how awful to be allergic to strawberries ...
think I read somewhere not to try them or tomatoes til much older!
my first boyfriend tried a strawberry the first time when I brought them to a "romantic" picnic! He was 18 and had never even ate one!!

sweetpea1112 Thu 14-Mar-13 18:14:38

contra its fine, I don't know what I'm missing out on as I haven't eaten them since I was tiny. Might have grown out of the allergy, but not fussed about finding out.

MadamGazelleIsMyMum Thu 14-Mar-13 18:15:28

I am thankful for calpol, for a DH who truly loves me and who jumps through the many, many hoops I lay out for him, and for this supportive quiche who are so lovely to each other.

justonemorecake Thu 14-Mar-13 18:20:25

sweetpea my strawberry allergy was originally quite mild so I kept eating them because I liked them so much. My allergy gradually got worse and worse, and now I definitely can't eat them at all! It is a shame. I really miss them in the summer months.

ValiumQueen Thu 14-Mar-13 18:22:38

sweetpea nurse trained prison officer. Long time ago now. I was size 10, a mega fit fucker, shaved head, pierced tongue. Fucking hard. grin

MadamGazelleIsMyMum Thu 14-Mar-13 18:23:19

DD and DS are both out for the night. This is an hour earlier than normal. The day usually starts between 5 and 6am. Am bracing self for a 4am start to the day. Guess bedtime for me will be at about 7pm them!

MadamGazelleIsMyMum Thu 14-Mar-13 18:24:20


Is anyone else a bit scared of VQ?

ValiumQueen Thu 14-Mar-13 18:24:57

I am allergic to cats. I have never eaten one. I have never eaten pussy either, before you ask. <<wonders how many phones I will kill with that one>>

VQ is on the way up again smile

detective is on FB and not terribly happy it seems sad

ValiumQueen Thu 14-Mar-13 18:25:52

grin I am a real softie now. My DH mellowed me, and got me fat. Three times.

BigPigLittlePig Thu 14-Mar-13 18:26:09

vq I know that is not the first time you've described yourself back in the day, but it still brings a smile to my face. I now imagine you, as described, but with the quiches wet fish hanging by your side, ready to whip those prisoners into shape grin

I am thankful, after reading the many many tales of feeding related woe, for a baby who has outgrown her reflux unless I pig out on chocolate or swig lots of coffee and happily guzzles as much mummy milk as she can get. I would be tearing my hair out if I had half as much worry as some of you do.

MadamGazelleIsMyMum Thu 14-Mar-13 18:40:10

Well said BPLP about feeding woes. I have so much sympathy for VQ, detective, and anyone else suffering with such ishoos.

Wonder how GT is getting on in India?

DH has just reminded me its steak and BJ day, apparently. I told him if he was keen to celebrate it, he could have the poor man's version - kebab and a wank. grin

Jims Thu 14-Mar-13 18:40:43

fruit as i understand it, they can onky ask for the additional money back (over smp) if it's in your terms and conditions/policy/handbook that they will do so if you don't return to work. Mine used to not say the first time i went off, they'd changed it by the time i went off this time. Not that it matters as i'll be going back to pay the mortgage.

In fact on that note, my husband is taking the last 3 months of maternity/paternity leave under the new rules. He disn't do that the first time. I think h thinks he'll be able to do some work in the garden...

madam 6:30pm is the girls bedtime too. I can't seem to keep them awake until 7pm. They wake between 7am-7:30am so tomorrow may not be too early for you. Fingers crossed.

Bryzoan Thu 14-Mar-13 18:45:43

Mm - we have a cmax. It is brilliant. Loads of space without being too much of a bus. I bought it because I thought it would fit baby and dive kit together - fat chance of using dive kit for the forseeable though!

Fruit - depends on the company. Mine doesn't make you pay it back, but we have quite good maternity policies.

Vq - I love hearing your prison stories. Opening the vents made me chuckle a little. Well done on all you have achieved feeding wise - I'm pleased to hear you now have what sounds like a workable plan. I think hv's should have to spend time with our quiche as part of their training!

Good news at camp bryzoan - g's hips were today pronounced 'normal' :-)

MadamGazelleIsMyMum Thu 14-Mar-13 18:46:29

thanks garden, that is reassuring. Both went to bed very nicely, DD exhausted after a 5am start and no nap, DS tired after only around 2 hours sleep today. So fingers crossed.

fruit mine has a policy that if you do not return for 6 months, you have to pay back the difference between the enhancement and SMP. But they are good at making people aware of this before you go on ML. Can you ask your HR dept, or do you not want to tip them off that you are considering this?

Izzybuzzybuzzybees Thu 14-Mar-13 18:47:10

vq I actually love reading your comments! That made me grin loads!

MissMummy1 Thu 14-Mar-13 18:53:10

I think i like the cmax most too.

Captain Calamari is often on the receiving end of M's patter. And nomming.

ValiumQueen Thu 14-Mar-13 19:04:28

I remember taking one boy to hospital and he was having a heart attack so very frightened. I held his hand all the time as that is what he needed. He was telling me messages for his loved ones, sure he was dying. I was reassuring etc. When he could, he thanked me for being so very kind. I told him if he told anybody, I would fucking kill him myself grin

Pikz Thu 14-Mar-13 19:12:06

VQ if I ever get in a fight will you be my mate?

TheDetective Thu 14-Mar-13 19:12:18

Sorry, been trying to catch up on many many pages! Took me over an hour, and that is skim reading!!!!

I'm so sorry, the quiche seems to be having such a tough time in so many ways. We are going though it.

YW thinking of you. thanks

Shelly O is much much better thank you! It's just me. Not convinced it will last like the other things we've tried. Plus I don't think he's lactose intolerant, but for now, this is working. I have ordered CMP free milk after pissing around trying to get it today. I've paid for next day delivery, so need to decide tonight do I keep him on the lactose free or not.

What I really want is allergy testing. Then I'd fucking know what was wrong! But they don't seem to test babies. I'm on the verge of taking him privately for a consultation to discuss what is happening with him, and stopping my stubborness to get him NHS care.

He's currently happily playing, and has been for an hour after a 7oz feed!!! WHOOP! grin Still having lots of vomits though.

HV came to see him today, agreed complaint to GP in order, shouldn't have had to go through what I did on tues. I need to put pen finger to paper keyboard. I will do it saturday when DS1 is around in the day to entertain his brother so I can concentrate! She agreed that A&E was the best option when the GP wouldn't do anything. She agreed with me that to do anything else would have been neglecting his needs. Wonder if she was too scared to disagree?!?!

VQ I agree on the lack of understanding. I mean I've had to do my own research quiz YW! and demand things to be done, if it wasn't for me forcing the issue, we'd still have a baby vomiting and not feeding. It's exhausting. It's soul destroying watching your baby deteriorating in front of your eyes. He has looked awful at times. As I say, I don't know about lactose overload, all I know is when I read it I thought of you and J. I hope well, I hope it isn't, but you know what I mean! it gives you an answer, but more importantly, a solution.

Sorry to the northern birds, today I have come down with a stinking cold. If you do too - I'm VERY SORRY! Very! Urghhhh.

Lily311 Thu 14-Mar-13 19:13:28

Evening Ladies,

Busy day over here. Meaning velcro baby wanted attention all the time. She is so difficult, I don't blame her but come on, cheer up girl.

Pass It is relatively easy to keep her awake after 4 as long as she is not in the buggy or in her bed or on boobie. I try to make sure that I am at home by 4 so no chance of falling asleep. She is out now, hoping for a good night.

VQ love love the prison stories.

Pass and Izzy sorry for broken fanjos.

Madam O is mostly out between 6.30 and 7 and wakes between 5.30 and 6.30. Sometimes the earlier she goes down the later she wakes up. Kebab and wank made me grin.

O stopped screaming. Gaviscon works. Her poo is much better now too, she had very runny, water-ish type but now it's more like soft one. She is still very clingy and grumpy but thanks fuck the screaming stopped. She also stopped snacking, she used to eat every 2 hours 3oz. We are on 3-3.5 hours now and she drinks 5-6oz. Much better, glad I fought for Gaviscon.

Anyone in south/central London can recommend a babysitter? I am having a leaving party on 20th April and need one. Checked out Likeminders/Sitters, the booking fee seems enourmous (£26 for a non member one off booking fee plus £7 an hour for the sitter, I rather pay the sitter more than booking fee to an agency). I would ask friends but everyone is attending at the party. It would be 5 hours from 7p.m onwards. Thanks.

glendathefedupwitch Thu 14-Mar-13 19:13:45

vq I had a pierced nipple (until dd1 was born) and a pierced tongue (until last June when I had mega mouth ulcers) and came from Manchester so was considered hard as nails living in Exeter didn't put them right that I'm a right laalaa

TheDetective Thu 14-Mar-13 19:15:27

That is bloody awesome Bry what a relief!

Today, I am thankful for.... wait for it.... my MIL!!!

She bought me a teddy which says supermum and a box of chocs from O! I am very lucky. My baby has fabulous grandparents well, both grandmas anyway.

I am also thankful that my baby does not yet have serious sleep issues unless he gets overtired! and even the night times I am grateful for, because many many more of you have it far worse. I'd have run away by now! Like sleep a little too much!

ValiumQueen Thu 14-Mar-13 19:18:39

pikz I am trained to inflict pain but leave no marks.

detective I did not realise you took him to A&E. it is easy to completely miss posts even when you are an avid reader like me.

fruitpastilles Thu 14-Mar-13 19:19:04

I'd rather not let them know I'm not going back madam I've no idea why I don't want to tell them though, it doesn't make any difference if I do or not. I'm not due back until October (pay will completely stop by June I think) so I would probably hand my notice in in August.

Pikz Thu 14-Mar-13 19:40:39

To make you smile...

DP 'it's a fucking pothole not a man raping a goat, why is this on the news'

TheDetective Thu 14-Mar-13 19:46:11

Tell me about it VQ! I miss so much stuff even though I read several times a day most days!

Yes, I took him to where I work. It is a small hospital, the main hospital is in another town (amalgamated services) but where I work it is maternity, gynae, a few other wards like rehab, but then the childrens A&E and all childrens services are there. I took him there rather than my very local A&E as obviously I work closely with the paeds, so I was hoping they might take pity on us!

I shouldn't have needed to do that.

rootypig Thu 14-Mar-13 19:50:50

Lily was going to say that I would happily babysit for you but we are away that weekend! aaaargh. would have loved to have helped. don't know a sitter, sorry sad. if there are any other dates you need someone for let me know, I can leave S with DH and come over x

Catbag Thu 14-Mar-13 19:51:50

You absolutely should not have had to do that detective, but thank fuck you did. I would be raging now, in your position. I am pretty sure you are though, so I'll stand down ;)

TheDetective Thu 14-Mar-13 19:56:05

Lily why don't you try local nurseries and ask if any of their staff do babysitting in the evening for extra cash? Quite a few do.

kirrinIsland Thu 14-Mar-13 19:56:11

Hello everyone. I haven't caught up properly, though I have spat coffee on my keyboard twice - both times VQ's fault grin

Good news on the hips bryzoan

fruit we have to go back for 13 weeks or pay back the additional maternity pay. Luckily I anticipated this and opted to have my additional as a lump sum when i returned, so I won't owe them anything now I'm leaving. How big is your company? I could probably phone our HR and ask that question without telling them who I am - but there are 6000+ of us so tonnes on mat leave at a time and they don't care anyway!

TheDetective Thu 14-Mar-13 19:57:19

Currently eating my chocolates off O MIL!. Nom.

Going to compose thread now. O asleep!

Lily311 Thu 14-Mar-13 20:01:52

Thanks Rooty. I have my brother to babysit when needed usually, he lives in Wandsworth so 30 min top to get here. But he will come to the party too.

Det, local nursery is a great idea, I want someone fairly local so they can get home quickly and safely during the night. There is one just 5 houses away, I might try to pop in next week.

PetiteRaleuse Thu 14-Mar-13 20:05:39

Yay. Dexter. smile

TheDetective Thu 14-Mar-13 20:09:00

Where would be best to write this thread? Breast and bottle feeding? Allergies? Childrens Health?

ValiumQueen Thu 14-Mar-13 20:14:22

Breast and bottle feeding I would think. TikTok is ace at bf. not sure about her knowledge of formula though. I think there is more traffic there. Or AIBU? Lots of traffic there.

ValiumQueen Thu 14-Mar-13 20:15:03

kirrin I aim to please grin

ValiumQueen Thu 14-Mar-13 20:20:33

J has just taken his calpol like a very good little boy. He had jags 6 hrs ago and we were told not to give calpol for 6 hours after. He is doing pretty well and does not have a temp this time, but I want to be ahead of the game. I do not want to wait until he is screaming in pain and hot. He nor I need that.

StuntNun Thu 14-Mar-13 20:24:24

Ssshh, J is asleep. Be very quiet while I sneak off to try and get my dinner in peace. Beef madras which has been in the slow cooker since 10 a.m.

Sophiathesnowfairy Thu 14-Mar-13 20:27:56

I hope you enjoy stunt slowness lovely.

BigPigLittlePig Thu 14-Mar-13 20:29:53

Right, F in bed. Me and dh are having a Monopoly rematch. Bring it on bitch

ValiumQueen Thu 14-Mar-13 20:31:49

Ooh stunt that sounds awesome. Today I have had 6 biscuits, half a small pizza and 4 cups of coffee. DH is home now thank fuck.

kissyfur Thu 14-Mar-13 20:35:32

Evening all

Finally caught up..,

VQ you've done so well BFing J this long thanks

YW so sorry about your mum, and about your dads diagnosis, a memory book sounds like a brilliant idea

bryz awesome news on the hips! I wanted to ask your advice as I noticed this evening that LO has a deeper crease in her right thigh than she does on her left, quite noticeably. Could that be hip dysphasia? She also has 2 webbed toes on her right foot. Obviously they checked her hips at birth and at her 8 week check and nothing was said, but I'm panicking a bit now.

Sorry to hear of broken fanjos pass and izzy

stunt hope J has let you get some sleep

detective hope you find out what is up with O v soon

LO still refusing to feed quite a bit today, feel v sad about it. Wish I knew what was wrong with her

fruitpastilles Thu 14-Mar-13 20:35:42

I love my slow cooker!

bplp I am so jealous of your monopoly playing, think the last time dp and I played was about 5 years ago I won and he lost interest hehe.

Izzybuzzybuzzybees Thu 14-Mar-13 20:36:22

Beef madras sounds lovely stunt. My DD has been sick numerous times today and I now have a killer headache. I am Not up for cooking so have just called the Chinese. Looking forward to stuffing my face!

Sophiathesnowfairy Thu 14-Mar-13 20:39:38

* sounds. Really, this iPad has as mind of it's own.

Sophiathesnowfairy Thu 14-Mar-13 20:57:06

Right. Open thoughts time. Sometimes I think that I don't talk about my baby enough. You all say loads about your babies and I witter on. Witter witter.

He is a happy baby, when he is fed, when you play with him he responds brilliantly, laughing and talking, he loves having a new nappy confused and he likes a bath. If he is tired, hungry, or just bored he will scream and scream and scream like none of my other children ever have. Some days when I seem to be getting everything wrong it feels like it's constant. But a 6:45 I put him into bed and he is asleep by 7:00 and that's us till 06:45 the next morning give or take and 5oz at 10pm. I get to recharge and slope off to bed quite early and this way I have the patience to cope with whatever the next day will throw at me.

I am hoping his shouting will slow down when I wean him, you see, I had him on comfort milk because I was told he was colicky but he started slowing down on the feeds. My theory was it was because it was too thick and he didn't really need it anymore, so I switched him back. He is feeding loads better but we had an increase in the shouting again. I don't think he is intolerant I haven't been through the mill like a lot of you have but I just think he will be better with food. So I am going to give it a try on Saturday and see what happens with the baby rice.

In other news he had his jabs today, all passed without incident, but I broke down crying in the nurses room about my Mirena as bar the odd day here or there I am still bleeding. She gave me a hug offered to take it out there and then for me. But I feel like that would be giving in so I have said I will give it till end on April which will be three months.

angry she said it was unlikely I would get a sterilisation on NHS which has really made me very cross. Why the fuck is it on the NHS choices website then. Having hormones pumped into me makes me bleed, I am 40 years old with 4 children, the births of three of those have resulted in a post partum haemorrhage, I know I do not want to go through that again. I have lightly raised a Vasectomy with DH but I'm not sure how that will go. I will leave it till is know what is happening with me and then maybe raise it again.

Very me me me, but I felt I needed to get all my thoughts down and out.

TooManyDicksOnTheDancefloor Thu 14-Mar-13 21:03:39

Evening all, I think we should have joke day again tomorrow because quite a lot of you are having a rubbish time so hopefully it will make you smile. It is also comic relief so we should release our inner comic!

Hugs to everyone. I've read the entire thread but not had time to comment all day.

horsey I went to a weaning class today and they mentioned strawberry allergies. I had never heard of it either confused

LuisGarcia Thu 14-Mar-13 21:16:02

L is in her cot, just woke up crying, had calmed herself down and gone back to sleep on her own before I could get there.

{<-- Doing a little dance}

TheDetective Thu 14-Mar-13 21:18:39

My fred for advice!

Elizadoesdolittle Thu 14-Mar-13 21:19:15

Right, just skim read thread. Real life really has got in the way today. Been very busy and done more today than I have in the last 2 weeks!

Had a bad night, mainly due to me worrying and faffing about E's tube. I was convinced it wasn't in the right place. Home community team came out today and assured me it was ok. (Still worried about it though but that is going to be the case all the time she has it). She's been much more unsettled at home than she was in hospital. She has seemed in pain more and less sleepy and not so good at self settling. But I guess at home there are much more distractions and I can't devote all my time to her. Which leads me to DD1. She has been throwing up since 2pm. She was fine this morning. Don't think she's eaten anything dodgy. Real life has hit me full force. I'm not complaining (much!) I just wish it would have let me in gently.

mm after much research I bought a c-max in oct. I'm really pleased with it. As bryzoan said (think it was bry) there is loads of room in side the car and boot and it doesn't feel like a big car to drive. I find it very comfy and like the little extras like the rear view child mirror. One thing I'll say is you can't use the maxicosi isofix base due to a storage compartment in the rear floor. But things like this mean there are lots of hidden storage spaces. Sorry I'm waffling now. Feel free to pm me any questions.

Waves to glenda glad you are having a good holiday. I feel the same as you when I go on holiday now, there not exactly holidays. More just change of scenarys!

stunt you were missed, and not just for your fab thread title abilities.

bigpig I'm jealous, I love monopoly. Not played for years. Must retrieve from the loft when I move.

Can't remember what else I was going to say. I'm hoping to go away for a long weekend tomorrow as long as both kids are fit and well. So apologies in advance if I don't post much over the next couple of days. I've not forgotten you all now I have my freedom grin

Oh em geeee! Another bloddy thread grin

I was out all day yesterday at the meet up and then a meal and then been out all day today as it's my birthday today smile!!
Will have to catch up during the night feed

TheDetective Thu 14-Mar-13 21:23:31

Happy fucking birthday you old bastard!! grin

<runs away from Fatima!>

kirrinIsland Thu 14-Mar-13 21:27:28

Sophia I was told to give the merina 3 months to settle. Tbh mine isn't too bad so far, though I could live without the spots. I think it's one of those that either suits you or doesn't. Seems crazy about sterilisation though - it's not like you're making an irrational or snap decision.

izzy hope your DD is feeling better. Enjoy your Chinese smile

I had some ebm in the fridge that needed using so gave N a bottle - plus some from me while DP sorted the dud teat out grrr - and she's crashed out. So I am in bed hoping for a long reasonable sleep.

Good night to you all. Hope it's a good one. -- expect I'll be back in an hour or so--

kirrinIsland Thu 14-Mar-13 21:28:39

strike out fail

MissMummy1 Thu 14-Mar-13 21:32:26

Eliza can you use a maxicosi easybase instead? We just have the base that straps in, not the isofix one. Is that the same thing? And if you can't, can you use the base in the front seat? It is mostly just M and me in the car so I wouldn't mind having her in the front until she moves onto the next seat.

I have just bought her a lamaze spin and explore playmat as I feel she isn't getting enough tummy time. this one except I paid a fraction of the price on ebay because I am a tight arse . Does anyone have one? Now thinking I should have just bought her a scratching post as scratching the sofa herself is her new favourite trick confused

ValiumQueen Thu 14-Mar-13 21:36:26

sophia I think it would only be fair for DH to get done. You have gone through so much. It is not a pleasant op for a lady and with your bleeding tendencies it is the safer option too. Lay it on thick. Tell him the quiche has told him to.

With cars with storage spaces in floor, contact manufacturer as they can usually supply an insert for use with isofix seats.

TooManyDicksOnTheDancefloor Thu 14-Mar-13 21:39:07

I've got one mm, you've just reminded me, had it for dd1. She wasn't too fussed on it but I'll try B on it tomorrow.

BigPigLittlePig Thu 14-Mar-13 21:44:54

Bloody well lost. I used to rock at monopoly, I was the pro nothing to do with having a handheld electronic version as a geeky teen, oh no Plus my hands are so cold now from being banker I can barely move my fingers.

Sorry to hear about your woes, sophia - I would ask beg dh to get the snip - a much safer procedure than female sterilisation. Dh will be getting snipped in this house on the kitchen table if needs be when I'm done having babies not yet as wants lots more

We're watching a documentary on c4 (child of our time?) - very sad, to see these poor children who are somebodys babies, with their problems. Puts everything into perspective eg botty dimples

MissMummy1 Thu 14-Mar-13 21:48:05

BPLP is it not Born to be Different that's on Ch4 tonight? I'm watching it and feeling very thankful for my beautiful, healthy bundle who is currently fighting sleep. It pales our problems with her skin into complete insignificance. Box of tissues at the ready.

BigPigLittlePig Thu 14-Mar-13 21:48:24

Not child of our time, but born to be different. Very sad. Good job my hormones are just about under control today.

BigPigLittlePig Thu 14-Mar-13 21:49:01

Cross post with mm grin

Bryzoan Thu 14-Mar-13 21:54:59

Happy birthday Fatima

Kissy - don't panic. I think with hip dysplasla the creases are more commonly different heights rather than depths. That said, at this age they can be checked by ultrasound which is safe and not at all traumatic. G has one every week and just beams at the attention. So in your shoes I would ask for one just to be sure. Can't help on the webbed toes I'm afraid. I think mostly they are just one of those things that happen sometimes. I think I read somewhere that Dan Aykroyd has some!

PetiteRaleuse Thu 14-Mar-13 21:58:04

sophia another vote for the snip here. DH is getting it done in a few weeks. They can be bruised bollock buddies smile

Kyzordz Thu 14-Mar-13 21:58:37

So much to say, no doubt little time in which to say it before lo stirrs

Great news for the hips bry

Sorry LO is still having feeding issues kissy she's bf isn't she? Does she take a bottle at all or is it just any food, bm or f that she's being off with?

sophia are you sure dh wouldn't consider it? I think it might be wise, you have been through alot as vq says. How old is your LO? Hope he is a bit more settled with real food bless him.

vq glad j is more settled bless him

det hope you get to the bottom of it soon, glad O has eaten today, poor mite.

E had jags. Seemed ok, but was hot and screaming earlier so went with calpol. Then he went to bed at 7:30 but woke at 8 and wouldn't stay in his cot, he wanted me. Temp has gone down now and he is asleep, am going to feed him soon and hope the feed settles him enough to go in his own cot. fucking jags. Glad no more until 12? Months.

I did about 6 inches of the back of the jumper I started, realised I have been doing the wrong motherfucking size so had to undo it. I cried <insert pathetic emoticon>

Glad you're having a nice holiday glenda smile

Not got one mm but may invest as LO hates tummy time but may like this I guess and it gives me an excuse to get it, I love Lamaze stuff

Hope good sleeps are had by all shamelessly including myself here, an shattered and need the sleep to get shot of headache

PetiteRaleuse Thu 14-Mar-13 21:59:03

Happy birthday Fatima smile

Kyzordz Thu 14-Mar-13 22:00:43

Happy birthday fatima

StuntNun Thu 14-Mar-13 22:03:42

Hope you got some decent food VQ. The beef madras was sooo tender and very lovely apart from a bit light on the chilli to avoid DH J having tummy trouble. Served with garlic and coriander naan and cucumber raita. Burp. J woke up twice but DH managed to resettle him without me having to resort to boob.

Kissy the important bit is the bottom line the buttocks which should be the same height on both sides. If it isn't it means one hip is moving upwards. But if you have concerns get a scan done to rule it out. Also I have a friend with webbed toes on one foot but she never bothered doing anything about it.

I have an S-Max MM which also has underfloor storage compartments so we put J in the middle seat with an Easybase. It's a bit harder to get the seat in and out but it's the safest seat in the event of a crash.

Right I'm off to bed. FC last night was a one-off because it was sheer hell on top of the last two week being really shit. At least DH is here for the night shift although I think he's more tired than me after all that travelling.

LuisGarcia Thu 14-Mar-13 22:04:56
TheDetective Thu 14-Mar-13 22:06:06

O is due his injections next tuesday. Am reluctant to have them done with all the feeding problems. I don't need to add anything else in the mix at the moment.

However, I don't particularly want to delay them either.

Sophiathesnowfairy Thu 14-Mar-13 22:10:55

Happy Birthday fats

Thanks all. Think it might be the way to go, I will work on some gentle Persuasion over next month now I have at least raised the subject. I realise some men think it affects their masculinity, as I suppose women may feel about sterilisation or a hysterectomy so he needs to take his own journey through those thoughts like I did when I came to my sterilisation decision.

I am spreading my sleepy dust liberally to the quiche. Sleeping babe in arms. Doesn't want milk, I assume it is jabs related. His cheeks are bright red though. Attempting transfer.......

ValiumQueen Thu 14-Mar-13 22:14:29

detective there is quite a big window with this one. Think the little fella and you would benefit from a fortnight delay. There are no new jags just top ups with the third ones. J had his 4 weeks late today. I could not delay even though his feeding is problematic at the moment.

BigPigLittlePig Thu 14-Mar-13 22:14:43

detective have just read your thread about O and his feeding...bloody hell girl, when it's all put like that I just want to give you both a big fat squeeze. Because we hear from you most days, I realised he's been having a rough time, but when I read it all in one go, it sounds awful. I so hope you can get some answers soon, poor little man.

Elizadoesdolittle Thu 14-Mar-13 22:27:05

mm it's the same with the easy base. It's the bit on the floor that doesn't work with it. Sorry I'm not explaining it well am I! vq as always has a very good point about contacting ford to see they have can put something in the floor so it doesn't have the storage bit. Re putting the seat in the front, I think you can but you'll have to get the air bag disabled first.

BigPigLittlePig Thu 14-Mar-13 22:43:37

If you disable the airbag, check your insurance is still valid - some insurers will view this as a modification and we know what knobjockeys insurers can be

Off to bed, to sulk about my Monopoly fail.
I'll sneak a bit of that sleepy dust that was being chucked around earlier too, just to make sure!

kissyfur Thu 14-Mar-13 22:46:44

Thanks bryz and stunt. I will go see the GP just to be sure. I only mentioned the toes as I did a stupid thing earlier and consulted dr google and it said its more common in babies with a mild foot abnormality confused

TheDetective Thu 14-Mar-13 22:46:47

My front airbag is turned off, you just turn the key in the switch which is on the passenger door arm rest. 3 door cars suck! I can't manage getting O in and out the back strapping the seat in with my broken bits!

Which reminds me, pass. GP! Go! DO IIIIIIT!!

Thank you BP! It has been these last 2 weeks which have tested my sanity limits! All I want is my happy boy! And healthy!

kissyfur Thu 14-Mar-13 22:47:38

Happy birthday Fatima!

kissyfur Thu 14-Mar-13 22:54:15

Oh and Kyz forgot to say LO is bf yes and I have tried to give her a bottle of ebm but she had no idea what to do with it. Hopefully it's just a temporary thing and she will start feeding properly again soon. Not giving her a dummy any more tho as I'm not sure it's helping matters

Happy birthday Fatima thanks

I am also thankful for white noise, which I have used lots today to get babylaughalot to sleep when all my usual techniques have fallen flat.

Sleepy dust to everyone, hope to not see you posting much in the night

Elizadoesdolittle Thu 14-Mar-13 23:00:30

Sorry forgot to say fatima hoe you had a lovely birthday.

Off to bed now. I'm hoping for a better night than last night but that sounds like most of us!

Passmethecrisps Thu 14-Mar-13 23:01:10

Just running through to say two things

sophia you are one of the least 'me me me' posters on this thread. You never talk about yourself. Don't apologise!! Oh, and DH should get the snip. It is relatively minor. You have been through enough.

Happy birthday fatima

<drags pallet of sleepy dust onto thread>

<departs into the plucking strains of Ewan

Oh and can I just say what a ridiculous expression the phrase sleeping like a baby is hmm

Passmethecrisps Thu 14-Mar-13 23:15:03


rootypig Thu 14-Mar-13 23:32:23

laughalot rofl

Fatima thanks wine happy birthday! wine thanks

Contradictionincarnate Thu 14-Mar-13 23:36:20

mm1 kinda wish you hadn't posted that spin and explore it looks fab! I want one!!
Fatima happy birthday to yuuuuu!!!
think we should definitely have a joke day tommorow can't remember who said that ...maybe a sponsored silence too ... anyone who chats 10-4 must give a quid per post to comic relief!?
oh and det I am no help at all! but yeah seeing the summary did make it hit home all your going through and still keeping us smiling! smile trooper doesn't begin to describe it! oh and just googled skinny malink dh dm used to sing a song to him is all very strange!

LuisGarcia Thu 14-Mar-13 23:45:33

I am so going to regret this What is the facebook page?

TheDetective Fri 15-Mar-13 00:38:03

6 feeds. 32oz. Thank fuck. Maybe he might sleep through tonight haaaa!!

LuisGarcia Fri 15-Mar-13 00:48:30

Can I ask an odd q? Based on vq's thing about prisoners and airvents?

What are your sleeping arrangements?

I sleep on a mattress on L's floor. I have the door open between me and J. MrsG is in our room with the door shut.

We have arrived at this by basically the prisoner airvent logic. If they want her, they have to really mean it.

I know an arrangement like ours isn't for everyone, and J was a ferociously bad sleeper for a long while, but.... I'm just interested in other peoples solutions, I guess.

TheDetective Fri 15-Mar-13 01:20:30

We sleep in same room in same bed lol! Except if DP is up before 7am. Like today. He is on the sofa. Not for his sake. But so he doesn't wake O. Suppose it is for his sake really coz I'd be raging if he woke O by his crashing about!

PurplePidjin Fri 15-Mar-13 01:21:26

Happy birthday Fatima

Can't remember anything else. Got in from work ag 10:45 with freezing feet and they still haven't warmed up hmm

StuntNun Fri 15-Mar-13 01:29:01

Luis it's a closed group on Facebook set up by the lovely DH21. Search for Nov 12 Babies, the picture is a woman's tummy with a flower on. Then you can see what we all look like!

We both sleep in bed with J in a cot in the same room. We don't have a spare room so we're stuck with this arrangement until we manage to sell the house.

LuisGarcia Fri 15-Mar-13 01:34:47

I've requested to join.

Dixiebell Fri 15-Mar-13 02:01:53

<wanders in looking casual, puffing slightly> Phew, finally made it and caught up enough to post. <Realises have forgotten everything anyone's said...>

Luis, DH and I are in together, Teddy's cot is in with us. With DS1 we did this until he was about 5 months, then he went into his room, but I used to take him out there for night feeds so as not to disturb DH. This time round, I just feed him in bed as not so bothered about disturbing DH's sleep anymore so we don't wake up ds1 with crying.

Teddy has a bit of a stuffed nose. Just managed to swallow a gulp of air and it obviously really hurt, he has this blood-curdling scream and was distraught for about five minutes. Think the crying ironically helped to clear his nose a bit tho, feeding again now. We have reinstated dream feed after a few hard nights, but still seem to be waking every 3 hours rather than the 5,6 or even 8 we had for a few weeks. I remain ever hopeful tho. My baby book says ds1 started sucking his thumb at 13 weeks, am willing Ted to do so too as that was the best self-soother; he's 15 weeks now so a bit behind schedule!

Contradictionincarnate Fri 15-Mar-13 02:15:19

wtf 2am ... yesterday was 5 before that a run of 7/8am may have been almost a week ... I was getting far too used to that....didn't even go to sleep last time I stayed up looking at lamaze toys pathetic I want them all [no obsessive personality here!]
I even dreamt about them when I evetually lay my head down!

Contradictionincarnate Fri 15-Mar-13 02:15:51

oh and mm1 I blame you! wink

Contradictionincarnate Fri 15-Mar-13 02:24:48

Luis we only have one dd so still in the same bed though I sometimes wish we were not my dm tells me they ended up sleeping in seperate beds for a while when I was tiny.
dh sleeps like a noisy talking log though so doesn't really get disturbed by feeds...
wanted to ask re iPad users any baby game apps their lo enjoys ... thought we could share ... dd likes the fisher price ones...
also anyone not on 23 snaps yet must try it ...to provide baby updates to friends etc fbook doesn't cut it like that for me ...plus my page is mine alone ...grin

Contradictionincarnate Fri 15-Mar-13 02:42:39

talking to myself again sad
bored bored bored!
just checked out me other "social media" the pre-match rugby stuff is reaching fever pitch ... I could never explain to someone who hasn't lived here amoungest it ...
old matches are being shown ...press is full of it ... facebook statusses are crazy! one thing I will say for us we are a country of optimists when it comes to the rugby!!

Lilliana Fri 15-Mar-13 02:53:02

I'm here but no time to post now i have finally caught up.

Attempting transfer ...

Contradictionincarnate Fri 15-Mar-13 02:57:41

good luck -for future lilli reading this I transfered 10 mins ago not sure why I am still up!

ValiumQueen Fri 15-Mar-13 03:39:46

Six hours. Good boy! Quick breastfeed and back in cot. Please God let him sleep ok again. We so need a good night.

Hello to all those awake but who are reading and unable to post. It will get better in time. One day you will get 8 hours sleep straight.

kirrinIsland Fri 15-Mar-13 03:40:28

Happy birthday Fatima thanks

Luis we are in separate rooms. I have N in with me, DP is in the spare room with a monitor for DD1. we figured there was no point in both of us being up all night!

Dixie N looks like she might find her thumb soon. As she refuses a dummy I have been willing her to do this! She is 17 weeks.

N just slept 6 hours grin grin 9.30-3.30. I didn't get quite that much as DD1 kept waking up til 11.30 and DP was at work so I was up and down like a yoyo to her, but even so!

kirrinIsland Fri 15-Mar-13 03:42:16

Cross post VQ - must be sleepy dust something in the air. Well done J

StuntNun Fri 15-Mar-13 03:43:35

I'm here too Contra. We have had feeds at 7:30, 11:30 and 3:30 so suddenly stretched out to 4 hours. Unfortunately I couldn't sleep after the second feed. Instead I wrote a letter to DH about how I feel. I probably won't show it to him though as he's a bit sensitive. He got up when J wouldn't settle after his midnight feed, put the dummy in once then started shouting at him. So when he grabbed J up to take downstairs I ended up following him so DH was upset with me for not trusting him to look after J. But he had just lost his temper with him so I thought maybe he wasn't up to settling him. He can't have it both ways, shouting at the baby and expecting me to think he can manage in the middle of the night when I'm too tired to function.

I meant to say yesterday that I tried some skin-to-skin time with J and we are both far too ticklish for it now.

Falling asleep here, I hope I get another couple of hours sleep.

ValiumQueen Fri 15-Mar-13 03:53:20

luis I have two older girls who slept really well from a stupidly young age. J was a very clingy baby from the second he was born. He slept with me on hospital and this continued at home. I think he spent about 10 mins in his moses basket.

Initially I was very against co-sleeping, so gradually started him in his cot in his room. This was going ok until 5 weeks when he was hospitalised with bronchiolitis. He stayed in with me after that as his breathing was awful and he was vomiting frequently.

We set up a bedside cot, with the side removed for easy feeding. Ths was better, but he got to the point he would only sleep if he had my nip in his gob. I was not sleeping, and y health was suffering.

We put him in his room at 12 weeks and it was very hard for 3 nights. He is now in there for all naps too. He is not allowed in our bed and has slowly improved.

He has slept through once, last weekend. Tonight was the second longest stretch. He will get there. He could possibly self settle if I let him, but I want the girls and DH to sleep. It works for us, but is very hard on me.

DH is useless at night. Always has been.

ValiumQueen Fri 15-Mar-13 03:58:55

Well done baby kirrin

stunt better sleep for baby, but naughty naughty daddy. You did right to follow. I hope you can get some more sleep, and manage to sort things with your man x

ValiumQueen Fri 15-Mar-13 04:00:06

Loved the comment about skin to skin x although a bit sad too.

kirrinIsland Fri 15-Mar-13 04:15:23

stunt glad j has slept better, just need to work on your sleep now! You did the right thing following DH, like you said - he can't have it both ways. Writing that letter might be therapy in itself even if you don't show it too him, but have you him how you feel? He may be sensitive but that doesn't mean he gets to behave however he likes.

N has just projectile vomited all over me - she never does that. She also rarely takes a good feed, but has just done so after sleeping so long, so I guess the 2 are related?!

wellieboots Fri 15-Mar-13 04:23:15

So bloody frustrated!angryPaed appointment today complete waste of time!

Don't worry that she doesn't nap, she should only be catnapping. Um no, if she doesn't get regular day sleeps she is incredibly cranky, that's why I'm walking miles with the pram. I wouldn't if I didn't have to!

You can have a script for Losec but don't use it without calling me first. Um, the Zantac isn't working.

Question for other reflux mummies, are meds supposed to make them a normal happy baby or just take the edge of the unsettledness? DD is just so miserable at least two days a week, poor lamb.


As you were,,,

Contradictionincarnate Fri 15-Mar-13 04:59:14

aw wellie I can't answer but sympathise ...
up again! having milk spat all over me ...hope this is a one off not sleep regression! please not for me. has been like a newborn night!! don't know how you ladies and gent cope ...I can't do this again every night! sad

Contradictionincarnate Fri 15-Mar-13 05:09:09

oh and stunt can I just second what kirrin said (my words now wouldn't make sense!) was v tempted to just cut and paste!!
struggling to keep eyes open! and need a wee ...I need a wee all the time again ...I last went at 3 before that was 2.00 and before that 12 last drink - a carton was at 9! sad. not sure if its my bladder - do I have a broken banjo!! or my ibs (have irritable bladder aswell as bowel!) anyone else need to wee as much? or any tips?

StuntNun Fri 15-Mar-13 05:21:08

The skin-to-skin was hilarious VQ, every time I put my hands under his armpits to move him he giggled. Then he kept putting his fist in my armpit. And scrabbling at me with his sharp toenails. I don't know how people have baths with their babies, I would end up dropping him!

Don't fret about sleep regressions Contra because they're part of development. Every day J has made a leap forward. Yesterday he had a new word 'Dee' and could bring a toy to his mouth, the day before he had a new word 'Poo' and started watching me eat. The world is fascinating to him now. In the bath yesterday he was staring up at the tiles and the shower screen as if he had never been in there before and they were great works of art. Suddenly noises demand all his attention. He has just realised that we have a cat! Suddenly those book-thingies mean a bedtime story with daddy. Yes the poor sleep is a pain but I am witnessing a metamorphosis from a helpless newborn infant to an alert baby, able to sit up and observe the world around him, and ready to embark on the adventures of solid food and learning to crawl. His brain is making new pathways and he is learning new things faster than at any other time in his life.

kirrinIsland Fri 15-Mar-13 05:34:51

Sympathy wellies is it worth asking for a second opinion?

contra is it just at night that you need to wee more? If so, I would imagine it is just because you are up and awake. I go as often overnight as in the day at the moment, but if DP does the night shift then I sleep through as normal.

Contradictionincarnate Fri 15-Mar-13 05:34:54

thanks stunt in my tiredness and the wee small hours I forgot what it might be an indicator of! smile has brought a tear to my eye ...tear hurts ... am sooo tired On the plus side have found a strange facebook page all lamaze toys are about 5 quid cheaper than elsewhere and at the mo is buy one get one free ...play and learn tummy time mat that mm1 has is 16 quid! and they have octo tunes for 12! Mmm ...

Contradictionincarnate Fri 15-Mar-13 05:36:51

x post kirrin ... yeah its often in the day,too! and I always have to go before I feed dd else I worry I will be trapped needing to go!
could it be I'm actually dehydrated?

Contradictionincarnate Fri 15-Mar-13 05:39:38

decided mumsnet is pants ...why can't you favourite peoples posts or " like " them ...I would be a bit lurkier then!
not a lurker though!

Contradictionincarnate Fri 15-Mar-13 05:42:15

another 3 in a row from me! I always post then think of something else ...I best be off and brush up on my ...
why did the baby ... jokes for tommorow!
why did the baby splash in the bath?
to wet the other side! ... nuuu that's bad! sad

justonemorecake Fri 15-Mar-13 06:18:14

On 5th feed of the night. She wakes almost exactly after 1.5hrs every time. I'm so tired right now. Your post was lovely and so true, stunt , about the leaps they are making at the moment. E is developing and progressing each day and it is wonderful to observe. It's hard to appreciate on the middle of the night though!

Hopefully I won't feel too tired today - I'm going on a baby first aid course so I need to be able to take in and remember information.

Sorry to hear your doctors appointment was of little use wellies

justonemorecake Fri 15-Mar-13 06:23:29

Oh and sleeping arrangements luis - my dh sleeps in the spare room, so he isn't disturbed in the night. It's also for my benefit, as he snores a lot and it was making it difficult for me to get back to sleep after night feeds. E sleeps in her cot next to my bed, although towards the end of the night she often ends up in bed with me, as she gets harder to settle and I don't have the energy to keep putting her back in her cot!

PetiteRaleuse Fri 15-Mar-13 06:33:55

Morning. Good night here. Must be the sleep inducing melody of the Dexter theme tune that echoed through the house sending everyone to sleepy land.

Luis we all sleep in the same room. Me, DH and DD1 (2) all sleep in the same bed. I never wanted to co-sleep, and she was very good until a series of events perturbed her: moving house, new baby then a difficult spell in hospital for her. We are dropping very heavy hints into the conversation about her moving to her own bedroom soon. LO sleeps in her cot - even if we wanted to co-sleep we couldn't because of DD1.

I hate co-sleeping. For me my marital bed is for me and my husband, other than snuggles early morning that kind of thing. I can't wait to get DD1 into her own room, I will sleep so much better. And LO will never be given the chance to co-sleep, it's as simple as that. I can't cope with years more of tiny feet kicking me in the back, or the tummy.

One night, when I was pregnant with LO, I was woken up in masses of pain. DD1 had been thrashing around and headbutted me. I had a black eye for weeks. Our new neighbours have hardly spoken to us since, and my regular doctor appointments at the time were very uncomfortable for DH - everyone assumes the worst in these situations.

Agh I hate cosleeping.

I have no jokes. i realised towards the end of Dexter that he bears more than a passing resemblance to a very nasty ex of mine, and once I noticed that My enjoyment of the show diminished. Shame as was an excellent couple of episodes. I hope I can put that behind me by next week which will be the last two episodes of the 7th season though I've already read the summary on wikipedia and know what happens

PetiteRaleuse Fri 15-Mar-13 06:35:24

Stunt LO has just really noticed our pets. This is a really curious look how incredible life is phase which is going to go on for a couple of years if DD1 is anything to go by smile

Contradictionincarnate Fri 15-Mar-13 07:08:05

up again ... though trying to cope a little better and repeating its for development... there must be a more catchy phrase than this! dh is changing dd couldn't understand why I suggested not having the radio on was for the best! ... hope she will go back to sleep!

Quick ques peeps I have a request on the fb group it's a man?! Can someone confirm this is them I don't want to add random men unless its one of you under your dp/ dh's name. Thanks!

Lily311 Fri 15-Mar-13 07:17:07


Not so good night, she woke up twice. Oh well, she settled after feed so can't complain really.

wellieboots gaviscon just takes off the edge, she doesn't scream anymore but still utterly miserable and clingy. Not all the time but it feels like by evening. I am back to the dr today to get some more, she is definitely better after taking it.

luis I have O's cot in my room. But I am in a one bed flat so can't put it anywhere. Once I move she will get her own room, she will be nearly 6 months old.

And can't remember who asked about the apps for kids. Are there any for this age??? I would have never thought so. O is not even interested in telly, she doesn't care whether it is on or not.

Lily311 Fri 15-Mar-13 07:17:58

Dh21, it is Luis requesting.

Sophiathesnowfairy Fri 15-Mar-13 07:18:53

Glad you got some stretches of sanity stunt and vq

detective am hoping your overnight quietness Means you had a peaceful night, or at least some love.

luis I share a bed and a room with DH, little O was in with us till three weeks ago and now he as been evicted to the girls room, when they are at their dads, and actually we don't hear him he is sleeping better. I have the monitor obviously, DS1 is in his own room. LittleO comes back in with us when the girls are here.

(The reason fr this Malarchy is that we will be moving when he is 10 months and e will have his own room, so I want him to be happy on his own as a house move and a room move could be asking quite lot. He may not notice, but you just don't know)

Sophiathesnowfairy Fri 15-Mar-13 07:20:36

grin random man!

PurplePidjin Fri 15-Mar-13 07:21:54

It'll be Luis, dh smile

Just listened to a 10 minute moan from dp about how hard yesterday evening was, with R howling, being unable to settle him, he's got a headache like when the stroke happened, how tired he is... Howthe fuck does he think i feel?! I just had to get on andbloody learn, get half the sleep he does and spend most of the night propped up in bed at an uncomfortable angle. He does 4 hours a fortnight with my mum to help angry

<whispers> 10 hrs, in the cot. Feeling slightly alive this morning. smile

Contradictionincarnate Fri 15-Mar-13 07:36:09

lily was me with the apps ... not sure if they are aimed at her but dd loves the fisherprice ones ...giggle friends and baby finger she enjoys ... giggle friends has a keyboard and she loves playing it ... she was delicately pressing the keys to begin with but has started to bash away suppose it teaches cause and effect!
baby finger also makes noise when she touches the screen so she quiet likes that one too ... we only play usually 10 mins max but is a great way to cheer her up when she starts grizzling she sometimes does this when she is squirming on the boob and I lift her to feed her! smile
just was wondering if there was anything else that I may be missing out on that would be fun to try!?

Lilliana Fri 15-Mar-13 07:39:53

Sounds like a mixed bag of nights for the quiche. brew for those up lots. L went down but i was awake for ages listening as she was quite unsettled. Has just woken up - miracle !

Stunt love your post. Please remind me to read it again when sleep regression hits.

Luis we sleep together with l in cot next to me. Dh has the option to move out but doesn't want to. He just rolls over and goes back to sleep when l wakes.

kirrinIsland Fri 15-Mar-13 07:48:18

tits that's brilliant grin you must feel like a new person!

pp thanks

Well, N did 8 and a half hours in total - with 3 wake ups. This is a new record!

She has her jabs today - what a way to reward her sad Hope she doesn't hold it against me and go back to waking every hour!

Pikz Fri 15-Mar-13 07:48:43

Yay for tits!

We had 7-12.30-6! Fantastic for poorly boy. He back down for his nap now.

Luis DP and I in our bed and LO in cot in room next door with video monitor. We moved him at 8 weeks as me and him were keeping each other up. He was also too long for Moses. He loves his cot weirdly.

Coffee for all those in need and congrats to all the sleepers. Stunt thank you for that, when I am struggling I shall re read.

Contradictionincarnate Fri 15-Mar-13 07:49:39

lilli so glad the transfer went well!!
no jokes yet people ... come on let's save some lives! wink -been watching the American office far too much!

Contradictionincarnate Fri 15-Mar-13 07:50:26

oh and sorry tits I missed that welldone tiny tits!

Contradictionincarnate Fri 15-Mar-13 07:51:19

oops tiny tits that doesn't sound right! ... you know what I meant though I hope! ... tits lo

Contradictionincarnate Fri 15-Mar-13 07:54:18

ffssleepregression ... now I can search for this word and find Stunts wise words when I need too ...couldn't think of any other way to do it!

MadamGazelleIsMyMum Fri 15-Mar-13 07:57:46

Rubbish night again. DS woke every half hour. I refused to feed him as he wasnt crying just shffling about. In the end I brought him in with me so i didnt have to move to do dummy replacement. Having some fucked up dreams at the moment. Very vivid and bright which is a pregnancy symptom for me, but am definitely not updiffed as there has been no jiggery-pokery for some time.

luis I am in main bedroom with DS in a cot on far side of room. DD finally in own bed in own room (take hope PR, I never thought that would happen), and DH mainly in the spare room. I harbour hopes of sharing the marital bed again, but also do enjoy a kingsize all to myself!

tits amazing, bet you feel like a new person?!

Haha thanks ill accept then!!

StuntNun Fri 15-Mar-13 08:04:06

How do you get a baby astronaut to sleep?
Rock it.

StuntNun Fri 15-Mar-13 08:08:25

How many mummies does it take to change a lightbulb?
None. They don't make Pampers small enough.

StuntNun Fri 15-Mar-13 08:11:06

A woman and a baby come into the doctor's office. She is taken into an examining room and waits for the doctor. After arriving there, the doctor examines the baby, and finds him not gaining much weight and asks the woman, "Is he breast fed or on the bottle?"

"Oh ... he is breast fed!", replied the woman.

"Well then, strip down to your waist," orders the doctor.

She takes off her top and bra and sits on the examing table. The doc starts pressing, kneading and pinching both breasts for quite a while in a very detailed and thorough examination.

The doc motions to her to get dressed, then the doctor says: "No wonder this baby is so hungry. You don't have any milk!"

The woman with a wry grin on her face responds: "Well of course I don't." "I'm his aunt - but I'm sure glad I brought him in!"

PennieLane Fri 15-Mar-13 08:21:31

Sorry to everyone having tough times at the moment! They are changing every day and it will pass. So they say.

Luis we all sleep in the same room with LO in the hammock. Will move her at 26 weeks. She's slept through from 8 weeks, between 9&11 hrs (sorry). If she hadn't DH probably would have moved into the spare room a few nights a week. I like your theory!

PennieLane Fri 15-Mar-13 08:22:20

Yay tits grin

Kyzordz Fri 15-Mar-13 08:23:20

LOL stunt at the jokes, and what a lovely post you wrote. I'll keep that in mind when he wakes in the night and/or has grumpy days!

Last night wasn't too bad, he did sleep in his cot, so I did get some sleep. Woke him at 6 for a feed (only because i am busy tonight and need to take him out but want to avoid a feed, so he can go roughly on 6-10-2-6-10 type times if he doesn't mind!) he is still asleep now, I had a shower in peace, then got dressed in peace, then re started the jumper in peace. Am very tired have no right to be really, got 7 hours virtually straight through, one loo trip and one dummy plugging was all but decided I should get up anyway. Dp will be of no use today after 12hr shift. Will wake at 1:30pm and be back at work, well, leaving here, at 5:15. Yay. Mil is also visiting and I need to go to tescos. Double yay. On the bright side, I am clean and have had a lovely warm coffee smile

BigPigLittlePig Fri 15-Mar-13 08:28:24

stunt grin
Well done to babies tits and pikz
brew to those of us who still need it

F did 7.30-3-6-7.30 again, so happy mummy here. Slightly alarmed at 6 to see the outline of a spider on our curtains. More alarmed at 7.30 to see no spider - where has it gone?? confused

Luis F is in a crib next to our bed, where dh also sleeps. He stirs when she wakes to feed, then turns over and carries on snoring F comes into bed with us after her 6 o clock feed, mainly because I'm too lazy to faff with getting her back into her own bed. I feed her lying down then we both nod off for another hour or so, and I get to wake up next to a scrummy little baby with a big cheeky grin on her face.

Today we had to be up for 7.30, as the highchair is being delivered sometime between...7.30 and 5.30 - really helpful that!

Sophiathesnowfairy Fri 15-Mar-13 08:42:04

Like it stunt grin

BigPigLittlePig Fri 15-Mar-13 08:43:14

Ooh it's been delivered. The man said "you're one of the lucky ones today" to which I replied, "why, because it's nice and early?". "No, one of our lorries went up in flames and has closed the M5, all that's left is the metal caging" confused

Pikz Fri 15-Mar-13 09:07:22

Sophia btw you are one of the least me me me people.

Get DH to be snipped. I also have a slightly who whingey baby. He expects constant entertainment when awake. It's very tiring.

Luis we do the same as BP, all 3 of us sleep in the same room with babylaughalot in her cot until the last feed of the night somewhere between 5-6am when I don't trust myself to stay awake and so bring her into bed and feed lying down so we both go back to sleep. I love waking up to her gummy smile grin

Have I really just seen a TV advert for soy sauce where they put it on ice cream?!?! Is that an actual thing that people do confused

Right, my only goal for the day is to get to the uni library to request some journal articles otherwise this assignment is never going to get done in time I'm pushing it as it is

ValiumQueen Fri 15-Mar-13 09:21:31

tits great you got a good night.

stunt lovely post.

Considering J had his jags last night we had one of the best nights ever. He slept 9.30-3.30 then 3.45 to 8.15. I slept for most of that too so feel pretty good.

kissyfur Fri 15-Mar-13 09:24:36

Morning ladies, not a bad night but LO had me up twice for feeds instead of the usual 1 feed in the night. Maybe she prefers night feeds as its quieter? She's not keen on feeding again this morning and so the cycle starts all over. Going to try and get a doctors appointment for later on today about her leg creases. I hope it will get easier soon!

Luis LO is in a bedside cot next to us, DD1 has her own room and is a great sleeper but we only have a 2 bed house so that could all change when LO moves into her room.

We have a new noise here today, cross between a squawk and a squeal!

Contradictionincarnate Fri 15-Mar-13 09:32:52

remember what I said about sponsored silence after 10 you have to give a quid to comic relief for every post!! smile

Contradictionincarnate Fri 15-Mar-13 09:33:44

dd back up again struggling to stay awake on the boob!

Contradictionincarnate Fri 15-Mar-13 09:39:00

Bad joke alert! *

[ A married couple rushed to the hospital because the woman was in labor the doctor asked the couple, "I have invented a new machine that you might want to try, it takes some of the labor pains away from the mother and gives it to the father." So the married couple decided that they would try this. So the doctor hooked the machine up and put it on 10% of pain switched from the mother to the father and the husband said "I feel okay turn it up a lot more" so the doctor turned it up to 50% and the husband said "why don’t you just put it all on me cause I’m not feeling a thing" but the doctor warned them "this much could kill you if your not prepared", and the husband replied "I am ready "so the doctor turned the machine up to 100% but the husband didn’t fell a thing so they went home happy with a pain free labor, but when they got home the mailman was dead on the front porch! ]

luis we a

Passmethecrisps Fri 15-Mar-13 09:42:06

Morning chromosome sharers.

Well, I am starting to wonder if P's very gentle regression is over. Either that or she is completely knackered from a very busy few days.

I tried keeping her awake in the late afternoon but noooooooooo! The girl goes mental. She did nap for 30 minutes until 5:15 but was still a weeping wreck by 6:15. I ended up rushing though her bath and putting her down at 6:30. She barely peeped - two dummy requests - until we woke her for meds and supper then down again with barely a peep until we woke her at 7:20. It is weird how sometimes she needs dummy back in to get back to sleep and sometimes she doesn't. It must depend on how deeply asleep she was. In the middle of the night I know she wakes because I have seen her but she just closes her eyes and goes back to sleep. At 5:45 this morning though she wanted more sleep but needed dummy.

stunt I thought your post was lovely. It is such a positive attitude to keep reminding yourself of everything they are going through and how wonderful and exciting the outcome is likely to be. I also think you were right to follow DH with J. You are both going through such a lot and he needs to understand that your have to act to protect all of you - it's not personal.

Well, valium prince is getting the hang of this sleeping malarkey! Good job.

Pressed enter by accident. luis we all sleep in the same room, DS's crib is DP's side if the bed. He does the middle of the night feed and I do the early morning one when DS comes into bed with us. Pretty soon we will be putting him in a cot in his own room because he's starting to outgrow the crib.

Contradictionincarnate Fri 15-Mar-13 09:43:46

Q: I'm two months pregnant now. When will my baby move?

A: With any luck, right after he finishes college.

StuntNun Fri 15-Mar-13 09:48:23

Yet again yesterday J decided to fall asleep just before school run time so I think I'm going to have to try and get him on to a schedule as his feeding times are so erratic and his sleep is rubbish. Are my choices GF or the Baby Whisperer or are there any others I can look at? My older two were fed on demand and napped when they wanted to with the exception of a firm bedtime. So I'm completely clueless on how to start. If I implement a schedule after Easter he'll be five months old. Is that a good time to start or will I have missed the best window? Help quiche!

Contradictionincarnate Fri 15-Mar-13 09:50:31

Conjunctivitis dot com—that’s a site for sore eyes.

Contradictionincarnate Fri 15-Mar-13 09:53:59

Jo frost (super nanny) also has a schedule ...but it doesn't really tell you how to implement it)
I think gf is very strict I could never do it to myself... don't think she says how to start at 5months.

fairimum Fri 15-Mar-13 10:00:36

I used Save our Sleep by Tizzie Hall and found it a nice balance and talks about fitting in with school runs etc. Also big focus on them self settling and i liked it as was a nice balance of letting them 'protest' grizzle but not letting them scream it out xx

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PetiteRaleuse Fri 15-Mar-13 10:00:58

I'm also considering trying to get my two onto a schedule. LO isn't a problem, the problem is DD1! I'll have them both at home full time from April until I go back to work (if that happens) and I won't cope if they aren't runningnto clockwork. I had a massive meltdown on Wednesday when I felt I couldn't cope with all the animals and the children and the house. I'm feeling better now as I have got on top of the housework but to be honest I want my evenings back, and sharing them with DD1 with the best will in the world won't work when she is home full time.i would love for her to be in bed by 8, then we could have two or three hours us time. I actually don't remember when my DH and I had a proper conversation without a small person interupting. Yesterday I had two hours where they both napped at the same time and it was fucking amazing i got so much done.

I'm thinking I might just bite the bullet and buy Gina Ford and go for it. <wibbles>

BigPigLittlePig Fri 15-Mar-13 10:02:14

pr did you say you have a fondness for Avery in Greys? I hadn't got to that point then. I have now. I'm a little bit in love. The Mc's are old news <swoons>

PetiteRaleuse Fri 15-Mar-13 10:04:24

Yeah Avery, Sloane and Webber. I don't like floppy hair McDreamy smile

Contradictionincarnate Fri 15-Mar-13 10:06:04

as I'm going to have to pay a quid now anyway I thought I would pay 2grin
just saw this review of the tizzie book which kinda puts me off.. "I absolutely believe that it would do no emotional or psychological damage to a baby to protest for six or seven hours if that's what it takes" pg.200

If this direct quote does not put you off this book then I can't imagine what will.

If you view your baby as an opponent and want to 'win' (winning is mentioned many times in the book) then this is the book for you. Helpful top tips such as making yourself a 'score chart' allocating a point to your baby if you can't stand the screaming and give in and one to you if you can tough it out, apparently if you do this 'after a few days you will be winning every time' seriously??

A section called 'Baby Payback' is just terrifying.... 'I often come across a baby who has learned to vomit at bedtime during failed attempts at controlled crying. If you have one of these babies you will need to teach your child that vomiting will not get your attention.' My heart breaks for the poor little babies ignored and left to scream until they are so distressed they are sick and then do not even get held, soothed and loved after that. This goes against all of my instincts as a mother, instincts that are there for a good reason.

If I could give this book less than one star I would, if you are a sleep deprived parent frantically searching for a way to get more sleep but want to gently teach the child to feel secure and relax into sleeping, please keep searching and do not buy this book. (Different things work for different babies but mine started sleeping through with a heavily modified version of the sleeping chapters in 'Baby Secrets' + common sense)

This book is really very odd in so many ways (custard apparently causes sleep problems... who knew?!) and I cannot adequately express how much I hate it. Your baby is helpless and loves you unconditionally, please love them back and don't try to score points against them.

BigPigLittlePig Fri 15-Mar-13 10:07:04

Webber - not so much
Perhaps we should lace the grown-ups sleepy dust with images of Avery?

Contradictionincarnate Fri 15-Mar-13 10:11:35

pr you read any gf ? I could try to paraphrase or photograph some of it as I don't know whether it will help its very strict down to the minute stuff ... you have to get baby up at 7 not 7.30 7 and it tells you when to eat etc you get a 2 hour gap in the day to go outsad think you may find it actually more restricting!

ValiumQueen Fri 15-Mar-13 10:12:33

contra any contributions to Comic Relief are optional. £5 is a lot of money to some people. I already do my bit for charity and my childrens school events related to tgis have cost £10 already. The sponsored silence is not something the quiche has agreed to, unless I missed something, and 10-4 is too long. This forum is primarily for support, and I would hate for any of us to feel that we cannot post if in need of advice, company, or to rant. It is a nice idea in theory, but not for here, not now, IMO. Besides, detective will not be up yet grin and she is having a shitter of a time.

PetiteRaleuse Fri 15-Mar-13 10:13:33

There is no way I would leave a baby to cry for seven hours. Or, actually, even one hour. And that's not completely from concern for the baby's wellbeing. I just hate the noise. I reckon I could get to 20 minutes, which should be more than enough if the child is actually tired.

Webber gets better as he gets older. It's literally in the current series (9) that I think he is fanciable.

This morning at half six had a battle with my shutters. They were frozen shut and I have to open the windows to open the shutters, so was freezing my tits off beating the crap out of the shutters to get them to open. Never been so hard before, and DH has just told me that it was minus 13 when he left at 7, which explains it. It's March for fucks sake. MARCH. Winter, please go and do one. That's the coldest morning we have had all winter.

fairimum Fri 15-Mar-13 10:15:12

honestly cant say ever come across that quote to be fair! waht the book did help me do was distinguish them protesting as would rather be cuddled and crying as something was wrong. 6 or 7 hours would never ever happen anyway as they would need a feed surely? seems bit odd to me!

Blimey PR frozen shutters?! Please tell me you get super hot summers over there to make up for it?!

Contradictionincarnate Fri 15-Mar-13 10:19:43

sorry vq was meant as a joke! <blush>
sorry if I'm annoying people sad
I don't have any contact with places to donate now I'm not at work or out and about thought others may not too and there may be others that haven't donated yet and want to.
I wouldn't want to push the charity on anyone but there are a lot of poor families out there as some of our stories testify and a lot of peeps in need. Guess I am missing the atmosphere people in town buckets fancy dress everyone in it for a good cause!
also thought the joke idea was good (whoevers that was - I can't remember).

PetiteRaleuse Fri 15-Mar-13 10:23:49

Oh I didn't realise it was that strict. Well I will make up my own vague routine, that is how it worked with DD1 before the move, birth and hospital trio of chaos. I'm having regula conversations with her about sleeping in her own room soon, and this morning, for the first time, she nodded. So progress is being made.

No sponsored silence from me I'm afraid. As worthy as Comic Relief is, as as much as I used to enjoy watching it (this will be the first year I have British TV in 14 years) I find the permanent harassment on TV very distasteful. I will watch, and laugh, but prefer to deal with worthy causes closer to home in France.--Or would if I had any money--

fairimum Fri 15-Mar-13 10:25:56

ok, have just looked it up in the book and the full part says
when to pull the plug
very rarely a baby has got more willpower than you could ever imagine - i have come across only 6 babies in my while life where you have to say enough is enough because the normal stages of tantrum/protesting crying just go on and on. I absolutely believe that it would do no emotional or psychological damage to a baby to protest for six or seven hours if that is what it takes for the tantrum to end (providing it is ensured that they are not ill or genuinely upset); however, I would be very concerned at the emotional and psychological damage it might do to the parents or their relationship. Few paretns no matter how sleep-deprived or strong, could listen to a protest tantrum for over two hours, so I tell parents of marathon running to always go in at that point (if have waited that long) and to help their baby to sleep. though not perfect scenario, the protest needs to end, and giving up and getting the baby up would be a worst outcome - it would teach her to yell and tantrum for two hours to be picked up. So I believe going in and helping her to sleep is a good compromise.

Also want to say this seems to imply to much older babies than ours that have presiously been sleeping and in a routine and have hit a difficult stage...

think as with all these things you take from books what works for you, I certainly never followed any book to the letter. i found the inital teaching a young baby to self settle very good. just letting them protest for very short periods before reassuring them and going straight in if they were 'upset' crying (talks about different types of cry). Mostly I used the routines as they fitted in well with us and also when things started to go a bit pearshaped i could pick the book and see what it suggested, usually that it was time for the routine to be adjusted slightly - has differnt routines for different ages and again if bf or bottle feeding. Again think depends on what sort of baby you have and what sort of parent you are!

PetiteRaleuse Fri 15-Mar-13 10:26:58

misslaughalot yes we do get some very hot weather, though last year was shite, except for the three days when we moved house. It was 35 degrees and I was 6 months pregnant and very unamused, though the extra effort got my weight gain under control and the Dr went from telling me to eat less to telling me to eat more.

Normally by end of March we have a few days in the mid 20s so looking forward to that. As once it gets much hotter I wilt.

ValiumQueen Fri 15-Mar-13 10:28:38

contra I thought you were being serious smile no worries grin

Contradictionincarnate Fri 15-Mar-13 10:39:29

pr yeah just fished it out "baby must be awake nappy changed and feeding no later than 7am" you then feed at 11 2.15 6pm and 10.30 ... gf tells you when to open and close the curtains!
this strictness may work for some believe hooks oliver does it.
I will have a read through later some of the advice and see if there is anything worth posting... as fairi said there is usually something worth taking from each book though gf does say you have to follow her strictly think that's one of the reasons gf is like a dirty word on mn..and will put some pics on fbook maybe could have a library page ... the amount of money I could end up spending on books hoping each one is the answer is recockulus!
my dad will be here soon dd has gone back to sleep and I'm going to have a nap (try to anyway)... I will probably get a row as I am in my pj still and there are some dishes in the sink ... you would never guess I'm 32 and moved out 12 years ago!

PennieLane Fri 15-Mar-13 10:39:36

pikz me too re:constant entertainment, am so tired! Someone said there's a big mental development leap between 17-19 wks so they need a lot of reassuring etc. I'm hoping that's it and it will pass, I literally can't think of any other ways to entertain her!

PetiteRaleuse Fri 15-Mar-13 10:45:09

It definitely won't work then for us - we don't have curtains grin

I'll just make something up. They are quite easy children just need to sort the evening sleepy time for DD1.

MadamGazelleIsMyMum Fri 15-Mar-13 11:01:29

PR I used the GF routine as a basis for what, approximately, the day should look like, but didnt follow to the letter. Good if you can take what you want and leave what you dont, IMVHO.

DD thrived on a GF routine. DS not there yet, am much more go with the flow with him, but there's no way he could wait 4 hours between feeds. He is a big hungry boy, can manage 3.5 hours at best, and that's only since I switched to the hungry milk and upped the offering to 8oz a time. Have been doing EASY routine ish, but last few days he has shown an inclinatin to have a big nap after midday bottle, and only a 5-10 min doze in the afternoon.

My own belief is that routine should be a balance between the baby's natural cycles and what you yourself prefer. I like structure, order, and cant cope with chaos! GF was all about what I needed. Now I have DS, I realise that it suited DD but doesnt work precisely the same way for DS. But some of the principles are good, e.g. offering them all the milk they need between 7-7, and maximum sleep during day etc. I also dont beat myself up if it doesnt work, just pull it all back for bedtime.

MadamGazelleIsMyMum Fri 15-Mar-13 11:05:25

Oh, and some advice needed please stupid question alert! If DS keeps leaking poo, and I am happy with the nappy brand, does that mean I need the next size up? He is 19wo, got to be well on the way to 17lbs not weighed him for weeks blush and size 3s dont seem to be doing it anymore. We use Aldi nappies. Could he really be needing size 4s?

ValiumQueen Fri 15-Mar-13 11:19:53

madame smaller size nappies are better able to absorb liquid poo as they are made to do so. Bigger sizes are also more expensive. I think with disposables there will be leaks. I prefer washables as less leaks, but have given up at the moment as I have had an unhappy baby to deal with and they would be left fermenting if I had used them again.

MadamGazelleIsMyMum Fri 15-Mar-13 11:28:56

thanks VQ, good to know. Has just been a marked difference in leaking incidents in last few days. Guess its just one of those things!

sweetpea1112 Fri 15-Mar-13 11:41:04

Morning everyone,

Haven't had a chance to read since last night, so will try to catch up during next nap time. If he actually bloody sleeps. Or feeds.

Nothing to add from me today, except to say I am struggling and I really hope things do get easier soon.

TheDetective Fri 15-Mar-13 12:07:46

I was up actually grin VQ. DP in work early. D'oh! School run for me. Except DS1 decided just before we left to start feeling unwell, and burned up a fever. Excellent. Just what I needed!

So no baby swimming for us today. Stuck on sofa with 2 demanding children. Grrrr.

On the plus side, its raining, so I'm quite happy not leaving the house!

Not the worst night, up at 1, and 6 feeding 6oz each time! Then up for the day at 7.30. He's on his second nap now. He was unsettled from 6-7.30 though, and was in with me.

He is also on his 5th change of clothes I've given up on babygrows, he's in a vest only! bibs do nothing. He'd have to wear a full body one. I think we need gaviscon, or something to thicken the bloody feed and keep some of it in!

ValiumQueen Fri 15-Mar-13 12:19:16

I think you do. Get onto HV and ask for a px to be left for your DP to collect?

PetiteRaleuse Fri 15-Mar-13 12:21:25

thanks Detective you're having a shitty time.

Right now all I can hear is the clock ticking. Both girls are napping. It's lovely.

ValiumQueen Fri 15-Mar-13 12:24:43

Have you given meds again detective would that help it stay down?

Passmethecrisps Fri 15-Mar-13 12:25:21

detective IG is good but can thicken the poo. Carobel doesn't but is slightly more faff. IG you just add and shake. Carobel needs to be shaken for a minute then left standing for 3 minutes.

Sophiathesnowfairy Fri 15-Mar-13 12:25:46

stunt have to say I preferred GF as it is all set out very clearly and also gives tips on what to o if a day goes wrong,which in real life it does. And it has worked or me. Four times!

Sophiathesnowfairy Fri 15-Mar-13 12:27:56

thanks detective I think you do need to get some Gaviscon.

Two boys asleep here off to potter and cook.

TheDetective Fri 15-Mar-13 12:32:57

Waaaah! So what should I do? Gaviscon or carobel?

VQ He's having ranitidine. I was advised not to give the others due to the lactose in them. But then I DON'T BLOODY KNOW WHAT TO DO ANYMORE WAAAAAAAAH!!!!

I really really want him seen by a specialist asap, and paying privately seems the only way to achieve that right now. I'm lost in a fog of trying to do what is right!

He seems much happier anyway. Which is a massive start! Seem to be having less acid attacks!

StuntNun Fri 15-Mar-13 12:34:33

John Lewis and Asda sell bibs that cover pretty much everything Detective, like those kids' aprons for painting. It might be worth trying them as they won't wet through to O's skin and they'll come in handy later in for weaning.

PR I found a bedtime routine was absolutely crucial with my older two. Once you have it in place they're programmed conditioned to go to sleep at lights out time and actually can't help themselves until they get to 8 or 9. We do it through the weekends and holidays too but sometimes let them stay up half an hour later in the holidays as they don't have to get up so early in the morning. One point I find was vital is to be doing something really boring when they get up after lights out time. If they find you sitting on the sofa reading a book they don't feel that they're missing out in bed. If they're getting up a lot sometimes a few days lying in wait outside their door to take them back to bed. We also have no TV, computer etc. for the hour before bedtime.

fairimum Fri 15-Mar-13 12:56:22

detective - our consultant prescribed domperidone and omeprazole along side the lactose free milk, said the amount of lactose in them wasn't enough to have an effect as is a tolerance level rather than an alergy... you an buy infant gaviscon from the pharmacy if that helps, but i would be inclined to give the meds/milk and stick with the combination for a good couple of weeks to see if any effect xx

TheDetective Fri 15-Mar-13 13:00:12

Do they cover legs? That is what seems to take most of the hit lmao!

That is interesting fairmum. See this is why I want him seen ASAP, to get that kind of plan.

sweetpea1112 Fri 15-Mar-13 13:03:40

Ok, caught up.

Stunt lovely post about developmental leaps. Our babies' worlds change so much every day and it is helpful to be reminded of that sometimes.

Luis Whoever does the night shift sleeps in the bedroom with O in his cot. He usually ends up in bed after the 5/6am feed until waking at 7. The other person sleeps on the sofa. We only have a one bed flat and both of us being sleep deprived is a recipe for big rows.

VQ I am so happy that J seems to be sleeping better for you. It also selfishly gives me hope that things will get better & O will be able to sleep longer than 3 hours.

Detective thanks and wine. sorry I cannot offer any helpful advice.

PetiteRaleuse Fri 15-Mar-13 13:11:03

Thanks stunt . Before I can get a proper routine set up I need to undo the routine that we have now. Which is she goes to bed in our bed with one of us with her, messes around for ages until she finally drops off. I have to get her to sleep on her own, in her bed.

I really need to get DH on side too. One of his regular threats, however many times I tell him I really don't agree, is that if she doesn't stop messing arond and go to sleep she will have to go and sleep in her own bed. Which to my mind is reinforcing some idea that her own bed is a punishment. When it isn't. I am sure she would sleep so much better in her own bed. His argument is that it works, she does calm down and go to sleep. Which is true. But how are we going to persuade her that sleeping in her own room is A Good Thing.

My plan is:

1. Change all the furniture around her own room so it looks different.
2. Put new bedding on her bed (bought)
3. Give her her own bedside lamp (bought and with the other birthday presents)
4. Get her to sleep in her own fucking room with one of us if we have to
5. Set up routine to get her gradually used to doing it on her own.

TheDetective Fri 15-Mar-13 13:11:27

I'm not seeing any leaps in O.sad

fairimum Fri 15-Mar-13 13:19:02

detective, i would be seriously tempted to rock up at a&e and explain how worried you are, sunken eyes, dehydrated etc etc and demand to see the peads consultant on call, dont get fobbed off with registrars etc xxx

PetiteRaleuse Fri 15-Mar-13 13:19:44

The reasoning behind moving the furniture round is to make it new, fun and exciting, and to disassociate it from the place she is happy to play but not sleep iyswim

Contradictionincarnate Fri 15-Mar-13 13:19:49

sophia that's interesting re GF maybe I will have another look the mw who did anti natal course was very anti GF and a mum in work was too ... When dd was a very weeks old it didn't even seem possible ... We were just trying to get through each day ... Is much the same!
Our days are a mess I wouldn't want a strict routine but need something particularly to try to get her to sleep earlier than 11pm ... Think we may have got her into a habit we can't reverse!

sweetpea1112 Fri 15-Mar-13 13:20:26

PR your plan sounds like a good one. Is she old enough to have any input into how her room is set up etc? Apologies. I can't remember how old she is.

Does she have playtime etc in her bedroom? Does she see it as a good place?

I agree with you that the sleeping in her own bed should not be threatened as a punishment. Doesn't send out the right signals.

I think you were going to use her birthday as a milestone? Can you make a big deal about her being a big girl now etc?

Sorry if all this is crap, I have no experience of toddlers at all.

TheDetective Fri 15-Mar-13 13:21:45

fairmum that is what I did tuesday night, but didn't see the consultant on call, with it being night time, obviously they weren't on site.

Now he seems much better, so no point in going to A&E unless further deterioration. But its no fucking thanks to any medical professional, but rather me pissing about with different things to find a solution.

PetiteRaleuse Fri 15-Mar-13 13:29:39

She happily plays in her bedroom, just won't sleep there. She'll be two next week, so I accept she still is a baby really. But I really need to sleep, she really needs to sleep properly, and I want our evenings back. At the moment DH comes in from work, we eat, then it's short play, and one of us off to bed with her and that's it. And after a day at home with them I really want some proper adult conversation in the evenings, even if it is just slobbing in front of the TV.

I have, since January, finally got her to nap on her own, but in my bed. At weekends it's harder as she wants daddy to nap too, but I send him out the front door for a fag and tell her he has gone to work and will be back after her nap. That works.

No way cutting out the afternoon nap will work - tried that andnshe turns into a devil child in the evening and won't go anywhere near sleep til very late. She needs that after lunch nap.

sweetpea1112 Fri 15-Mar-13 13:36:26

Could you start off with trying the daytime nap in her bed?

I completely understand about evenings. At the moment, DP gets home, plays with O while I make dinner and night feeds, then its bath and bed for O. At the moment we are so tired at least one of us goes to bed when O does. I often get no adult conversation in my day and I am sure that has something to do with my depression returning.

TheDetective Fri 15-Mar-13 13:39:09

Scrap that! Just seen one! He just grabbed his foot for the first time!

He's currently on the play gym beating the crap out of it, the bars have fell over and he's pulled all the toys off!


TheDetective Fri 15-Mar-13 13:40:39

Can you put her to sleep in your bed, but then lift her out in to her own bed?

Sophiathesnowfairy Fri 15-Mar-13 13:43:24

contra you ave to do what suits you. I like routine so it figures really. However all of mine have slept through, dream feed aside at 8,9,10 and 8 weeks respectively.

A common complaint is that people say you are a save to the routine, you can't go out. Granted if you are going to do it it is best to stay at home a week to get in in place, but thereafter I feel more flexible. I know what I need to take with me because I know when he will feed, I can plan stuff for over the big lunchtime sleep, I get everywhere on time because I know what is happening and I get no surprises, in the main.

As I said there is advice for what to do if it goes wrong, eg at the mo Oliver will not sleep a two hour stretch at lunch time for some reason if we are at home, so on those days, like now, I get him up, let him okay, he has his milk at two then gets back down for a bit afterwards. He can then get through till 6:45 ish.

I have to say after having four you don't have all the answers as they are all different but with each one you just get a bit more confident about trying different stuff. And you know they all grow up in the end.

And leave home. grin

PetiteRaleuse Fri 15-Mar-13 13:46:51

We have tried that but then she either wakes up during the transfer or stirs once in her own bed and screams until we bring her back. But more often than not she wakes up being carried through to her own room. Since we moved in August she has not gone to sleep in her own room once, and a successful transfer and full night in her own bed has happened maybe four or five times.

Since she came back from hospital we've not tried, as she was really disturbed by her illness, but that was now over two months ago...

I will start with the daytime nap in her own bed. Then maybe make DH come home from work even later than usual a few nghts so that I can get her to try evenings too. When he went out on a work do a few weeks ago she was in bed by 8 and asleep by 9, on her own. I just had to go back every five then ten minutes. She was quite happy with that. She turns into a monster when daddy comes back. Or Addy, as she calls him. She's a real addy's girl.

fairimum Fri 15-Mar-13 13:55:14

good you he has you on his side Detective! Shouldnt have to be that way though, but sadly it is here too sad Have learnt if you don't shout and bang ont he table someone else will be sad

If you have stopped the other meds then would def give some gaviscon, but we had to put a knife through the teats to get the milk to come out! lol either that or feed it like you would for bf baby!!

Fingers crossed for less sick! With DS we didn't use muslins we used bath towels!! lol

TheDetective Fri 15-Mar-13 14:00:44

I'm all out of ideas then petite I'm not very good at childrens sleeping habits. I really can't remember what I did with DS1!!!!

Fairmum He's constantly vomiting today, so I think he needs something. The milk and ranitidine seem to be a good combo at the moment. I've got loads of bottles and teats of varying sizes! Sure we will have something to work!

And yes, those who shout loudest and wave money! get heard.

fairimum Fri 15-Mar-13 14:06:04

nearest pharmacy should sell you box of infant gaviscon! xx

MissMummy1 Fri 15-Mar-13 14:26:42

Much better night with M! The sleepdodger did 11 -1 then in with me for an hour then 2 - 4.30 before deciding she was up for the day. I'll buy that for now!

DP and I went to ikea for breakfast when he got ashore this morning. We had to phone the police en route though after some absolute twat tried to run me off the road and lobbed something out of his van at us - scart biscuits! All because I sat at the speed limit and refused to give into his horn, flashy lights and hand gestures. Dick.

I bought a high chair. Was going to get the £11 one but splashed out on a red wooden one instead. smile

MissMummy1 Fri 15-Mar-13 14:27:44

Sorry posted too soon.

det sending lots of hugs yours and o's way. A&E might not be such a bad idea thanks

ValiumQueen Fri 15-Mar-13 14:32:36

detective could you phone the children's ward and ask for advice? A&E only for emergencies like Tuesday.

TheDetective Fri 15-Mar-13 14:39:15

Thanks MM! He's much brighter today. I'm not saying anything else. grin

Just vomiting to work on at the minute. Before my washing machine combusts.

I'm like you, won't give in to dickheads on the road. I've had to learn to try and ignore the fuckers and let them go away though. It isn't worth it.

DP arrived back with infant gaviscon. Slight problem. You have to mix it with 8oz. He doesn't have 8oz in his bottles. He doesn't take 8oz, so won't get a full dose.

Any suggestions?!

TheDetective Fri 15-Mar-13 14:43:18

VQ I think we are okay at the moment. I feel it is pointless trying to get the GP to manage it.

He's much brighter today, happily playing, feeding and sleeping. Think we are on to a good combination currently.

I am trying to chase the referrals and see how long waits are, but no bastard is picking the phones up.

TheDetective Fri 15-Mar-13 14:44:39

I'd take him back to A&E if he became like he was tuesday/wednesday though.

But right now, we are okay.

O has beaten the crap out of his play gym, found his foot, and fed to sleep for the first time in the day for a loooooooooong time!

fairimum Fri 15-Mar-13 14:51:49

how much does he weigh now? used to be weight guidelines on the back of the bottle? know we started off with half pack in bottles but didnt work well so told to put all in although DS only drinking 5oz... can you follow guidelines for breastfed babies on the back, think to mix with small amount and feed on spoon/syringe?

Contradictionincarnate Fri 15-Mar-13 14:52:43

thanksDet glad he is brighter you said earlier you haven't noticed any leap but sure on days like this your noticing the new things he can do!
Thanks sophia dd normally does nice long 8 hour sleeps 5/7 days but she won't go down for the night til 11 or12 ... I'm definitely going to revisit and rethink GF smile

TheDetective Fri 15-Mar-13 14:57:19

Fuck I'm thick sometimes. I might try the b/f way. See how that goes! Thanks! (He's 14lb1).

Well, it isn't what you know, it's who you know. After pissing about trying to get through to childrens outpatients all day, I got pissed off and just asked to be put through to the lead paed cons. secretary. She found the referral, and will mark it as urgent, and will ring me personally with the appt date next week. I did mention being a member of staff blush.

Oh, and guess what? The fucking GP didn't do a referral, I rang them to ask, and nothing has been sent. Another point to add in my complaint.

Pikz Fri 15-Mar-13 14:59:05

Det I'm glad he's brighter. Sorry for all the crap your going through. I have no advice but hugs and wine.

LO is brighter again, still very snotty and chesty and dozy a lot but he's eating properly again so am hoping its all up from here. He only likes being upright but I wonder if that helps him breathe better?

Love to all

Passmethecrisps Fri 15-Mar-13 15:00:32

det just mix one sachet in with 150ml. That's what P had.

TheDetective Fri 15-Mar-13 15:01:19

I'm a strong bird. I've had far worse shit thrown at me. I can stand up for my little baby! A mothers love can tear down walls!

pikz I'm glad he's feeding well, that's a good sign!

Pikz Fri 15-Mar-13 15:10:26

Can you put in a formal complaint detective?

In terms of routine the only two we have are bedtime (6.30 bath, milk, cuddle and daddy time) and about 90 mins after he first gets up morning nap. I do do naps in daylight with just a blanket and a different Ewan sound.

Just been to town for a cuppa tea with my best friend and her baby dd (same age as Q) and walking back to the car Q was screaming blue murder, I'd fed her in the cafe so it wasn't that.
It was a ten min walk back to the car and she screamed the whole way, just as we got back she fell asleep hmm don't know what was wrong though she doesn't usually cry that much in the pram, weird. It was quite cold maybe it was that.

PurplePidjin Fri 15-Mar-13 16:07:30

Yay it's gone 4 I'm allowed to post again!

BigPigLittlePig Fri 15-Mar-13 16:26:19

DH21 maybe overtired and unable to settle? F has been known to do that when she's been a bit overstimulated.

detective when F was on gaviscon, she'd have 1 sachet in a bottle with about 20mls of ebm, then a bf to follow. You would know then that he'd got the full dose. I suppose they say a minimum amount of ff to go with the IG to try to avoid constipation.

pr will keep everything crossed for Operation Big Girl Bed. We used to have a stairgate across dsds bedroom door to avoid her nocturnal bed invasions. She grumped for a few nights before realising we weren't budging. Lovely to get the marital bed back although now been invaded by another sleep dodger

I'm knackered today, no reason as have been sleeping better than I have in a long time. Craving chocolate, would kill for a pint of coffee. Would love bed now. Instead am going to ice some cakes with dsd.

PetiteRaleuse Fri 15-Mar-13 16:35:50

I can't put a stairgate in as the ones we have she worked out how to open. And I'm not buying anymore. Luckily we don't actually have stairs since we moved. The only one we have up is in front of the area the cats have their food and litter, but that is to stop the dog going and eating their food and poo

PetiteRaleuse Fri 15-Mar-13 16:43:54

But thanks for the luck.

I'm craving Vienetta at the moment. Sometimes I eat it instead of meals. I don't know why it has been going on for a while. No, I'm not upduffed. I just love Vienetta blush

Sophiathesnowfairy Fri 15-Mar-13 16:57:31

Mmm pr Vienetta.

I am going out tonight.

To a pudding party. grin

PetiteRaleuse Fri 15-Mar-13 17:03:39

I remember when it came out in the 80s and it was a special treat. Now I'm grown up I can eat it as much as I like, even though it has sadly gone out of fashion and no longer makes any pretence at poshness. I love it. And the chocolate version and the mint version. And Twix ice creams.

I often wonder who else eats it. Someone else must otherwise it wouldn't be available but I have never heard anyone admit to it.

TheDetective Fri 15-Mar-13 17:07:42

I eat Vienetta! Only when its on for a quid though! Classy birds smile

Mint only though. Classier.


TheDetective Fri 15-Mar-13 17:09:14

I've just rung about 15 different swimming pools. 'Hello, please could you tell me the temperature of your small pool'. Trying to find a pool hotter than 30-31 degrees is impossible! And when one woman said '84' I did a double take. Then asked her what that was in degrees celcius grin.

Poor O. He likes it hot purple limb syndrome!.

ValiumQueen Fri 15-Mar-13 17:16:44

Vienetta lover here. Not mint though. Tastes like toothpaste.

Arctic Roll?

Pikz Fri 15-Mar-13 17:19:14

I looooves Vienetta and article roll. My mum buys them as a treat for me when I'm blue. Yes I am 30 and left home 13 years ago. smile

TheDetective Fri 15-Mar-13 17:21:42

Arctic roll = school! But yum!

Frozen eclairs? Mini ones. Has to be mini ones.

DP and DS are currently playing minecraft on xbox. Sad fucking bastards. It looks super shit!

DS1 having made a fucking miraculous recovery hmm

PetiteRaleuse Fri 15-Mar-13 17:22:54

When I go back to the UK my mum stocks up on Rolo chilled yoghurty type things and Lilt. I love them. She still refuses to buy pickled onion flavoured monster munch though. Hve to do that myself. And when people come over here I ask them to bring pear drops and old fashioned midget gems, where the black ones are liquorice flavoured.

I'm obsessed with food. I'll shut up now.

ValiumQueen Fri 15-Mar-13 17:24:05

Frozen eclairs but still frozen. Never get a chance to thaw.

Pikz Fri 15-Mar-13 17:36:42

PR I can never get those damn midget gems!

I like milk bottles with corn flour on them not the rubbery ones.

Mostly I miss fish chips mushy peas and scraps from Yorkshire.

BigPigLittlePig Fri 15-Mar-13 17:40:11

My dads fave pudding is arctic roll.
I love vienetta. The crunchy thin chocolate layers, the creamy icecream. Nom nom, foody Friday returns!

There are sprinkley cake decorations all over my kitchen floor. What's the betting this is the one thing the cat won't hoover up?

PetiteRaleuse Fri 15-Mar-13 17:41:56

Can't wait for my fish n chips in June from BLS chippy. Yay.

Sophiathesnowfairy Fri 15-Mar-13 17:51:36

Me. I eat Veinetta. And I share it with kids.

When I feel like it.

Sophiathesnowfairy Fri 15-Mar-13 17:52:13

Ooo arctic roll.

Sophiathesnowfairy Fri 15-Mar-13 17:52:33

I can not wait for my pudding party.

PetiteRaleuse Fri 15-Mar-13 17:52:59

Pikz I think it was glenda who pointed me in the direction of a site called a Quarter of.... Worth a look.

TooManyDicksOnTheDancefloor Fri 15-Mar-13 17:53:54

I'll have some fish, chips, mushy peas and scraps on your behalf tomorrow if you like pikz, cooked in dripping of coursesmile

Sophiathesnowfairy Fri 15-Mar-13 17:55:50

I will report in later and share the pudding fest.

Pikz Fri 15-Mar-13 18:06:18

Too many do it... With bread and butter pleaaase!

Pikz Fri 15-Mar-13 18:06:56

Sophia... Gorge yourself!

PR I can't go on there... I would loose all my teeth!

TheDetective Fri 15-Mar-13 18:19:01

Fuck! I'd love a pudding party! Might have one for me only!.

VQ I was going to say that. But I thought people may think bad of me. But yes. Agreed. Frozen. grin

Kyzordz Fri 15-Mar-13 18:25:56

My fave ice creams are nobbly bobblys, nothing useful to add, just that!

TooManyDicksOnTheDancefloor Fri 15-Mar-13 18:27:19

Will do pikz, will do. I need some comfort food right now.

PetiteRaleuse Fri 15-Mar-13 18:30:09


PetiteRaleuse Fri 15-Mar-13 18:30:56

Sometimes I hate being stuck in France with French bloody food.

kissyfur Fri 15-Mar-13 18:34:38

Sophia I am so jealous of your pudding party! Eat some for me wink

LO feeding much better today, I've not given her the dummy since yesterday so maybe it was that? V strange! Saw the GP about her hips, she said she thought they were fine but that we could have a scan to be sure, fingers crossed it'll be nothing to worry about.

Hope everyone is well today, off to catch up now...

kissyfur Fri 15-Mar-13 18:35:31

But the cakes in France are something else PR! smile

Pikz Fri 15-Mar-13 18:37:19

Kyz I love them and fabs!

Kissyfur glad to hear about the feeding.

YellowWellies Fri 15-Mar-13 18:39:40

There's an amazing restaurant Bath way called the Pudding Club tis nom. I love a good Arctic roll and choc vienetta - can't beat cheap veg oil filler in yer ice cream wink grin sadly they are all confined to my November weaning list.

TheDetective Fri 15-Mar-13 18:39:41

Erm, Gaviscon not gone down well.

He fussed with it quite a bit, and was grumpy at the end of the feed. Lots of vomits since.

I don't think he likes thick milk. It isn't the teat. He's got the teats for thickened milk.


Other than that, he's great.

Today he has achieved:

Discovering his feet

Noticing his hands and having a good old study of them front and back!

His first giggle fit

Copying kisses and trying to purse his lips to blow a kiss!

Perfected the art of the raspberry!

And noticed the dog, and has been stroking and patting hitting her!

What a difference a calm baby makes!

PetiteRaleuse Fri 15-Mar-13 18:40:09

There's lots to love about French food, but because I'm building up towards a trip to the UK I'm obsessed with all the English food I can't have. On Good Friday will be popping into the British shop to tide me over.