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November 2012 - Four months? Oh no, the dreaded sleep regression!

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StuntNun Fri 08-Mar-13 20:11:21

Previous thread: www.mumsnet.com/Talk/postnatal_clubs/1698894-November-2012-BFPs-Already-You-girls-are-going-to-have-some-fun

Instead of marking place, please could those of us with older siblings post something (positive) they are looking forward to as our babies get older. I think it would cheer us up since so many are struggling at the moment.

StuntNun Fri 08-Mar-13 20:13:59

Older siblings to our babies obviously!

I'm looking forward to when J starts to push his arms through his sleeves for me when I'm dressing him.

ValiumQueen Fri 08-Mar-13 20:21:28

I am looking forward to J trying to pronounce his sisters names and his first recognisable wave. And sleeping through!

Pikz Fri 08-Mar-13 20:23:55

I don't have olders but my big nephews mean I am looking forward to sitting up unaided and first food!

ValiumQueen Fri 08-Mar-13 20:24:46

Lovely idea stunt I am getting a bit emotional here. Thank you for being out thread coordinator.

Yep, it won't be long until this little angel asleep in my arms is a walking talking little sod like his sister!

sweetpea1112 Fri 08-Mar-13 22:07:03

O is my first but I am looking forward to him holding out his arms to me for a cuddle.

I heart this quiche. <wipes away tears>

fruitpastilles Fri 08-Mar-13 22:36:10

S is my first , but I can't wait until she starts talking I realise this is a long way off my cousins little girl has just started talking and it is adorable.

PurplePidjin Fri 08-Mar-13 23:53:58

R is my first, I'm looking forward to introducing him to books and reading

Contradictionincarnate Sat 09-Mar-13 00:45:00

D is my first ... I am looking forward to so much! At the mo its the first real giggle and rolling over but first words are high up too! ... Trying not to wish my time away and to live in the moment ... I find that hard but tiny D has helped me do that!
I heart this quiche too!!

LuisGarcia Sat 09-Mar-13 01:09:54

L is our second. She is having a regression atm, too, so fwiw.

Things you can look forward to, if J is anything to go by....

Bathtime. You have no idea how much fun water and bubbles can be.

Food. You will never ever have a bigger fan of your cooking.

Reading. You will discover a hidden joy for reciting books from memory reading books.

Puddles. Natures themepark.

Hiding. A useful multitasker that takes away scary things and makes finding daddy hilarious.

Conkers. You can throw them on the roof and they go thudthudthud and come back!

Cars. Cars are amazing.

Also dogs.

And cats.

Lions are yellow hairy gods.

Colours. You are not going to believe this, but everything has a colour. Like, everything. Mind. Blown.


No. No. No.

Finding raisins everywhere. Even in places where you scratch your head and think wtaf??

I love J.

ValiumQueen Sat 09-Mar-13 05:39:09

luis lovely post! I agree. Seeing things through a childs eyes is awesome.

Lily311 Sat 09-Mar-13 06:54:18

No older kids but I am looking forward to bedtime storied. The ones when they sit on your lap sucking their thumbs completely engaged in the books.

luis love that post, so true.

MadamGazelleIsMyMum Sat 09-Mar-13 09:10:28

I have an older DD - 2.1. I cant wait for DS to show as much excitement over something as DD has for diggers. We went for a walk in Greenwich Park recently which is having some work done. When she spotted the diggers it was amazing. Eyes wide open, stamping her feet, shouting "dig-ya, dig-ya, DIG-YA". Everyone who walked past smiled at her. The men working smiled at her. In a different age (before the world of health and safety), I am pretty sure the chap would have let her sit in the cab, given the mens' enjoyment of her excitement.

barefootwalker Sat 09-Mar-13 09:53:12

I'm with sweetpea, I can't wait for G to hold her arms out to me or to toddle towards me for a cuddle. I'm looking forward to watching her learn to walk (with the dog "assisting" I'm sure). I'm looking forward to watching G show her love for my DH and our lovely dog. I can't wait for the excitement of a balloon, a swing and a sledge. I'm looking forward to seeing her reaction to a hundred different flavours. So many happy things to come.

I was chatting to a couple of RL antenatal friends and saying I actually really miss the early baby days though. Feeling a little broody already...

MissMummy1 Sat 09-Mar-13 12:45:09

M is my first and last. I am looking forward to taking her swimming when we finally get on top her skin problems. And teaching her to sail - admittedly a few years off yet!

Hello new thread.

Madam your dd may like a trip here: diggerland - my sister recently took the kids she looks after and they had a great time. My DH is looking forward to L being old enough to go!

Loving the stories, what a great idea Stunt. Luis that is a lovely piece. I am looking forward to arms being reached up and L talking nineteen to the dozen as he clearly wants to! I am sure when it happens I'll wish for peace but love the idea of all the questions and funny chatter.

Catbag Sat 09-Mar-13 13:37:42

What a beautiful idea. I read your responses and thought of my own and now I have tears rolling down my face. This is why I love you lot.

MummaPanda Sat 09-Mar-13 14:15:07

I cant wait til N says mummy and daddysmile

Lovely idea stunt smile

Gosh, so many lovely things to look forward too!

For me, I can't wait to watch my girls form a relationship. Watching them holding hands now often brings a tear to my eye, this will only get better and better.

Sophiathesnowfairy Sat 09-Mar-13 16:20:11

I am looking forward to taking the boys to the cinema and out for tea and having loads of family fun. I am most looking forward to my DH enjoying the phase that starts at about aged 5.

Catbag Sat 09-Mar-13 16:22:01

Nice ending Pidj! grin

Brockle Sat 09-Mar-13 16:29:33

I am looking forward to the next few months when suddenly they start doing new things every day and become funny happy smiley little people rolling about all over the place grin

ValiumQueen Sat 09-Mar-13 16:36:38

Not your proudest moment there cat grin

ValiumQueen Sat 09-Mar-13 16:38:21

sophia with you on the 5+ thing.

PetiteRaleuse Sat 09-Mar-13 16:39:35

What a lovely idea stunt

DD1 does so much stuff that I find cute, and she is still just under two so not long off for the LOs:

- when I tell her to do something and she shouts NON back at me and giggles it is hard not to giggle myself and she knows it

- when she bumps herself the only remedy is a kiss from mummy to make it better. She is a real daddy's girl most of the time but when she has a bump only mummy's kisses work

- when she blows kisses using the whole palm of her hand across her mouth. It's so clumsy but so cute

- when she started applauding herself and anytime she sees a studio audience on TV clap she stops whatever she is doing and claps along

- when she swore at the dog last week I almost pmsl

- from about the age of 8 months her real pride at being able to do new things, and doing them again and again and again and again

- when she sings along tunelessly and wordlessly to songs she knows

- when she picks up the phone, or a piece of lego, and has pretend conversations, walking round the room, sometimes raising her voice and often giggling at some imaginary joke someone has told her

- the moment when you realise they undstand what you are saying, even if they can't speak themselves, and you wonder when the hell that happened

- how everything is fascinating. Everything.

- when she tries to help with housework and gets worked up if I miss a bit the relieved when it's clean though that does get a little annoying

- the real appreciation she shows when I give her something to eat that she really loves. No-one cooks betetr than mummy and that is a confidence boost every evening

So so much to look forward to with LO; DD1 can be a real mischievous PITA but she is more often hilarious and heartwarming than a PITA. And even the mischievousness is really funny

I am really dreading the 'why?' Phase though. Babysat a toddler for a weekend a few years ago and she was right in the middle of it. Why is the door closed? Because it's raining. Why? Because there's too much water in the clouds so it falls down and rains. Why? Because weather is strange sometimes. Why? Because it fucking well is. Yes, but why? Ask your mum when she picks you up tomorrow.

Where's mummy? Away with daddy. Why? Because they are going to a concert. Why? Because they like music? Why? Honestly? Celine fucking Dion? I have no idea. Why don't you know? Because I'm stupid. Why? Just because.

Aaaaaaagh. It was years ago. And the whole weekend was like that and has scarred me.

PetiteRaleuse Sat 09-Mar-13 16:40:03

Woah that was a mammoth post. Sorry.

Well helloooooo everyone!

I'm really going to try ever so hard to keep up with people now. Lovely seeing everyone's pics on fb but feel I'm missing vital stuff going on here!

My input re older siblings- ds is 2.8 and is a great talker, we have long chats about all sorts and he just seems to have grown up so much in the past few months. He's amazing smile

PetiteRaleuse Sat 09-Mar-13 16:42:09

There's a song in Mamma Mia about when the daughter grows up. School bag in hand... All about saying goodbye as the child gets mroe and more independent. Since having DD I cry buckets every time I hear it or even think of it.

ValiumQueen Sat 09-Mar-13 16:49:01

'Slipping through my fingers* PR waaaah! Gets me every time.

Why? Because I said so! I swore I would never say that, but you do. Eventually.

PetiteRaleuse Sat 09-Mar-13 16:50:45

Took me about an hour to get to the because I said so answer. I'm not known for my patience. I'm sure I'll do better with my own though. Might even get to an hour and a half.

MadamGazelleIsMyMum Sat 09-Mar-13 16:53:02

blonder yes, there is one quite near us so we will take her at some stage. She will bloody love it.

MadamGazelleIsMyMum Sat 09-Mar-13 16:53:29

Oh yes, that song makes me WAIL.

BigPigLittlePig Sat 09-Mar-13 16:54:48

Hello new thread.
One word (actually 3) - first nativity play <sobs>

PetiteRaleuse Sat 09-Mar-13 16:58:31

Oh I'm not going to get to see nativity plays. They don't do that kind of thing very much over here. They do the odd end of year show, but no nativity sad

Just youtubed that song. Bad move. Couldn't stop myself though.

kirrinIsland Sat 09-Mar-13 17:31:20

DD1 used to absolutely beam whenever she sneezed - I guess because everyone looked at her and said bless you - she looked so pleased with herself it was sooo cute. I wonder if N will do the same?

I'm looking forward to N saying DD1's name and to seeing them play together.

TooManyDicksOnTheDancefloor Sat 09-Mar-13 17:34:52

I can't wait to be able to communicate. When they're not forming proper words but they babble with great expression so you can actually have a full conversation that other people wouldn't understand! Not sure what age it happened with dd1, it kind of creeps up on you and it's ace!

sweetpea1112 Sat 09-Mar-13 18:02:38

stunt thank you for this. You have no idea how much I needed to read all these things. Well actually, you did know, which is why you suggested this thread starter. But anyway, thank you thanks

Had an ok day today, went to the hairdressers and the shops by myself. which should have been great but I was too tired to appreciate it. I know I will feel better for it though, as having bad roots always depresses me. Shallow but true.

I hope you are having lovely days. Mothers Day tomorrow, should be a very special one, especially for the first time mums amongst us. Anyone have any nice plans?

PetiteRaleuse Sat 09-Mar-13 18:04:07

It's not Mothers Day in France. We're planning a decluttering session grin

MadamGazelleIsMyMum Sat 09-Mar-13 18:07:11

PR that's my idea of a good day anyway!

PurplePidjin Sat 09-Mar-13 18:14:47

Dicks i do that with R when he does a long gurgle blush i actively listen to him iyswim i also do it with the cat

PurplePidjin Sat 09-Mar-13 18:16:29

It would probably be less creepy if i were pushing a buggy, he's usually in the sling under my coat with only his hat peeking out...

PurplePidjin Sat 09-Mar-13 18:20:18

I'm going to treat my friend to coffee - her p walked out on her and 8mo dd 3 weeks ago. Would it be odd to get her a card? Then we're off to my folks to see them and my gran. Anything that happens for me is entirely in dp's hands, i shall report back hmm

Catbag Sat 09-Mar-13 18:30:50

VQ blush What can I say? Numbers are not my forte blush again!

PetiteRaleuse Sat 09-Mar-13 18:34:23

pp a card with a little thinking of you message would be lovely. I don't think people send enough cards anymore.

PennieLane Sat 09-Mar-13 18:45:39

What a lovely post luis and great idea stunt it's made me all starry eyed for the future.

I'm in Luxembourg so missed the end of last thread, mainly because we've hit the sleep regression. Thought we'd already done it but oh no! LO will not sleep during day and fights going to sleep. So far she's still doing long stretches at night, though much shorter than they were. Feel nervous. Lack of pushchair is NOT helping as that's a fail safe to get her to sleep, but lovely local shop has found us a very nearly new replacement for miserable amount insurance co will cough up. Looking forward to picking it up next week.

One thing that makes up for lack of sleep is how much more fun DD is , it's like several lights have switched on-laughing lots and properly playing with and touching things. Looking forward to all the things you guys have mentioned! Lovely thought!

PetiteRaleuse Sat 09-Mar-13 18:49:11

How are you enjoying Lux? We'e getting snow again next week sad

kissyfur Sat 09-Mar-13 19:07:33

Looking forward to LO holding her arms out to me for a cuddle, I cried when DD1 first did that smile

Bit of a funny day here, not done a great deal apart from spend 3+ hours in the car going to collect DP's snowboard ready for his trip next week (not relishing the thought of a week in my own with the 2 kids!) anyway at least LO got lots of sleep in the car, she's being fussy with feeding again this evening. Screaming and screaming when I tried to feed her, even though she's due a feed?! Quite happily laying on her mat now tho! Wtf is that all about?

YellowWellies Sat 09-Mar-13 19:10:04

I'm looking forward to taking DS to the Christmas market in Edinburgh - and meeting the reindeer from Aviemore smile

PennieLane Sat 09-Mar-13 19:14:09

PR loving it, it's actually perfect for us right now-low-key, tranquil and lots of lovely food and wine! you are lucky, despite the freezing winter. hmm about snow, though I think it's also hitting London on Monday. Fuck off shit weather!!

Lilliana Sat 09-Mar-13 19:21:38

Quick q before i catch up. There is blood in L's sick which has come from my nipple sad is this a problem? Can i keep feeding from that side?

sweetpea1112 Sat 09-Mar-13 19:22:22

I just uttered the words "There's poo on the carpet"

I then cleaned up said poo.

Saturday nights ain't what they used to be.

PetiteRaleuse Sat 09-Mar-13 19:26:12

Yes, low key is pretty much it. When you flying back?

Donnadoon Sat 09-Mar-13 19:29:41

I'm looking forward to handmade Mother's Day cards from my older children tomorrow...they are so excited to give them to me.
Also I am up for a midlands meet smile

PetiteRaleuse Sat 09-Mar-13 19:34:29

(we could have had a Lux meet up)

StuntNun Sat 09-Mar-13 19:37:36

It's fine if a bit icky Lilliana, just keep feeding and put Lanisoh or Vaseline or something on your nipple to help it heal, some bra-free time would help as well.

BigPigLittlePig Sat 09-Mar-13 19:55:33

lilliana what stunt said, and ouch.

ValiumQueen Sat 09-Mar-13 20:07:11

The girls have been telling me all day that there is a suprise for me tomorrow, but they have been told not to mention it.

ValiumQueen Sat 09-Mar-13 20:16:52

I am having some wine tonight. Just a little. I need it.

Tomorrow I am going to the GPs house for dinner so I will be waited on hand foot and finger, and the kids will be entertained. I better bloody be allowed back to bed after Js breakfast! Bloody better!

Have had words with DH a few times as he has been whinging about the kids, and I have said 'welcome to my world'. He feels hurt by this as it is 'our world', and I replied he does not know what it is like for me as he never has all three, and the pressure of feeding and settling J, whilst trying to keep the other two from killing each other. If J whines, he hands him back to me. He said he will never be able to have all three to give me a break, as he could not cope. He is right, and I felt overwhelmingly upset at that, and went to bed in tears when J had his nap. I love my kids dearly, but I wonder where VQ is in all of this sad

StuntNun Sat 09-Mar-13 20:20:07

Welcome back DH, you haven't been on for ages. How is your DS1 getting on with being a big brother? Does he try to play with Q yet?

Sweetpea this is the toughest time because you're at the end of a long period of disturbed sleep and your baby has needed a lot of your attention over that time. At four months your LO will be more settled, sleep better, babble away to you and be able to hold things to explore with her mouth. And then we start the fun and mess of weaning. So please don't worry, just concentrate on taking it a day at a time.

I have never been one for babies and schedules but I think J might need one. My days are constrained by school drop-off and pick-up and I keep having to wake him or interrupt a feed to get to the school on time. Can anyone recommend a good schedule? He feeds every 2-3 hours during the day and tends to fall asleep while feeding so I need one that can fit around his habits. Or do I just decide when his feeds / naps are and make him stick to it? I'll wait until 5-6 months to try this, hopefully he'll be well established on his bedtime by then.

Izzybuzzybuzzybees Sat 09-Mar-13 20:22:56

Oh vq that's not nice to read that he couldn't cope with all three. Is there no way he could cope even for a wee bit to give you a proper break?

We are struggling really badly with Js sleep at night and during the day he won't go down til about 11pm and wakes up after only a couple of hours. He wont really settle back in crib so I end up bringing him into bed with us which I don't like doing. I have no idea how to fix it. My DD slept through at 6 weeks! He doesn't nap during the day, except maybe 15 mins. He just won't bloody sleep and I am gettin exhausted with it.

What can I try?!?

StuntNun Sat 09-Mar-13 20:24:44

VQ why couldn't he take them all to the playground for an hour? The older two would be less likely to squabble and J would probably sleep being pushed around in the pram. Or watch a kids' film with them all and bounce J on his knee?

StuntNun Sat 09-Mar-13 20:27:10

Are you doing a bedtime routine yet Izzy? It's great even when they're much older as they get programmed to sleep at the end of their routine. So my 10yo and 6yo go to sleep when their light is put out even though they would like to stay up late, they just can't help themselves.

Izzybuzzybuzzybees Sat 09-Mar-13 20:31:56

We haven't started a bedtime routine yet. He doesn't really feed to any kind of routine really and for now stays downstairs til I go to bed after last feed. Not really sure how to introduce one tbh. My DD was formula fed by this time which kind of helped I think and also was happy to self settle.

PetiteRaleuse Sat 09-Mar-13 20:33:01

VQ I had a very similar conversation with DH when he was whining about finding looking after both difficult when I had the flu.

I said 'welcome to my life' and was all sarky about it, and he said 'yes but your life is my life' but he works all hours and doesn't or didn't til then realise that it's hard, not to mention bloody dull sometimes, looking after the children. He no longer says he wishes that he could stay at home and me go out to earn.

I think that they don't give up part of their identity as we have to. Where is VQ in all this? Well she's still there, lurking benezth the surface, but circumstances have forced her to put the mum part of VQ first for a while. And our mum part is important and valid and incredible, but sometimes it's hard to realise and appreciate it. Whereas men see their dad part as being just a part of their lives which they switch on and off, and expect to be able to watch their films and matches without interuption, and expect their lives to pretty much continue as before except with the added bonus of children. Bonus. But forget about the inconvenience.

But in a few years the hard part of them being so dependent will be over, to be replaced by other problems. But I think this is where DHs will come into their own and be able to handle it better. Will be as hard, but the work can be more easily shared.

Dunno if I'm talking much sense. DH is brilliant, but he'll be even brilianter as the girls grow up. But the all consuming babyhood is hard for them to comprehend. Because life just doesn't go on as before.

sweetpea1112 Sat 09-Mar-13 20:33:29

Izzy I second the bedtime routine. O is sleeping terribly at the moment but one thing he does consistently at the moment is go to sleep at 7:30 <counts blessings>

We just observed his natural sleepy time and started a routine of bath, bottle in dark room, bed, 45 mins before this.

Sorry if this is teaching you to suck eggs. but is as far as my wisdom stretches I'm afraid smile

BigPigLittlePig Sat 09-Mar-13 20:34:06

Izzy will he sleep on you in the day? F was very like him until a few weeks ago, when she suddenly started being happier to sleep a bit longer in her bed at the beginning of the night. She still ends up in our bed from 5/6ish, and will only nap on me in the day. If you could get LO to nap a bit more in the day, on you if needs be, would he sleep better at night? Sorry if that's a bit "teaching grandma".

BigPigLittlePig Sat 09-Mar-13 20:34:51

X-post with sweet - obviously grandmas and eggs are in the forefront of our minds!

Brockle Sat 09-Mar-13 20:35:35

your DH is being a dick vq . how bloody insensitive and feeble. he may say he couldn't but he could if he tried and maybe you need to just leave him to it for an hour and see what happens.

I try to feed Y before the school run and depending on weather go for a walk from dropping the kids off at school. y tends to sleep then and ne much happier in. the day if he has that sleep. I give him a feed just before the afternoon run and he usually sleeps in the pram then too. I pop him in his crib at lunch time for a lunchtime nap too but this is usually brief. walks with Y in the pram and then leaving him asleep in the pram in the garden usually does wonders with the naps.

sweetpea1112 Sat 09-Mar-13 20:36:07

Oh yes and the only way to het decent daytime naps out of him is to let him sleep on me. He usually has about four hours in total.
He does now have his first daytime nap in the cot but is only 30mins

sweetpea1112 Sat 09-Mar-13 20:37:36

grin pig

Izzybuzzybuzzybees Sat 09-Mar-13 20:55:49

I don't really let him sleep on me during the day. I had hoped being consisten and putting him in the cot would eventually help his naps. My DD didn't nap either an I'd always thought with my second I'd try doing the cot thing in the hope naps would extend naturally and help!

It's tricky also letting him sleep on me as I have DD to deal with too. Need lunch made and help in loo etc.

Maybe I should try putting him upstairs on his own. I'm just a bit scared if this really. We have DDs old movement monitor which works but I'm not reside the audio part works. Will test it tomorrow I think, prob too late to be messing about. He's feeding just now and seems to have taken a good feed. He seems sleepy but I doubt he would settle upstairs.argh!!

Elizadoesdolittle Sat 09-Mar-13 20:58:57

Hi new thread, I'm looking forward to getting E out of hospital! Sorry to lower the tone, it's been a lovely positive thread so will start again!

madam I had the exact same thing with a trip to Greenwich park recently. I love it there, brings back lots of happy childhood memories for me. The road works are really annoying me but DD1 loved the diggers!

pp going through the why stage here and it drives me insane. pr I got to the because I said so stage very early to. I have no patience which isn't great when dealing with a feisty independent 3 year old!

I'm looming forward to taking E to all the groups that DD1 loved, particularly baby sensory and swimming. DD1 is such a little character I'm looking forward to seeing how hers develops and can't wait to the see the (hopefully) love between the sisters.

Well I'm back to the same room do its like a home from home. I did go home for a while today which felt great but also has made coming here feel worse. DH and the in laws were just about to order a Chinese takeaway, my fave! I had a cheese sandwich from costa hmm

Still thank fuck I have my own room and E is sleeping so I may actually get some sleep tonight. DH is bringing DD1 to visit tomorrow and we are going to go to the hospital canteen for lunch, small joys and all that.

PetiteRaleuse Sat 09-Mar-13 21:11:43

Hey eliza I understand it's horrible going back in after a sniff of freedom. Goo dyou'll get more sleep. Next step, getting you out of there smile you sound a little more upbeat

ValiumQueen Sat 09-Mar-13 21:13:03

PR thank you thanks that helped a lot.

Anyway, off to bed. J went down at 8 and DD2 has just gone down as someone let her nap when I was in bed earlier.

If DH had all three it would mean putting his fucking iPad down. He has joined a gym, with considerable monthly fee (out of his pocket money apparently) and will go inbetween jobs. I have told him he is not going at weekends or evenings or mornings. He said I could go too. How the fuck??? They do not have a crèche.


Tomorrow is another day.

PetiteRaleuse Sat 09-Mar-13 21:18:47

Lol. I was complaining about my back hurting earlier. DH said well you have to strengthen it, you need to go to the pool three times a week like you did before.

I laughed. But not in a very nice way. It was perhaps more of a snarl. He shut up. Good. Move.

ValiumQueen Sat 09-Mar-13 21:40:52

izzy as you may know J is was at the end of the queue for sleepy dust. My girls also slept through very very early. From a baby who would only sleep with my boob in his mouth up until 12 weeks, he now sleeps in his cot in his room for manageable periods. He is 19 weeks old.

We do not have a proper bedtime routine as I cannot do everything, but watch his cues. He is going to bed earlier and earlier, and he is doing this himself. Tonight was 8pm which is fab. He will wake once or twice and I will get him up for the day at the latest at 7. I think the trick is to tackle it with the morning routine personally.

With naps he usually has 1.5 hours awake. And sleeps for 45 mins or twice that with a little swearing in the middle. During the week I may need to wake him for the school run in the afternoon and he copes ok. He naps on the morning run and I usually walk to the village or park with DD2.

He has all home sleeps in cot. He has learned bedroom is for sleep. In the day he sleeps with normal clothes and cotton cellular blanket. Night time with a gro bag, and you can see the relief on his fave when he is in pjs and has the bag put on. I do that downstairs.

He has teddy light mobile for daytime naps if put down awake. He will swear at teddy, but teddy usually wins. At night, ewan strums away during feeds which are now mostly shorter than ewans piece.

How old is LO? I would probably go with the flow until about 18 weeks when the sleep regression should be fading.

Remember 4 months is 17 weeks not 16.

ValiumQueen Sat 09-Mar-13 21:42:24

Face not fave

ValiumQueen Sat 09-Mar-13 21:44:59

Of course the little sod has woken now I put that ffs!

LuisGarcia Sat 09-Mar-13 22:12:41

Hang on a second.

I'm a SAHD. I've given up 2 careers for my children. I do all the night stuff. I have no income and very little adult contact. I'm the one who has them both on my own most often.

So what is all this nonsense about DH's being able to switch it on and off, again?


ValiumQueen Sat 09-Mar-13 22:19:34

Ooh you are a willie wearer mrgarcia I must have missed that!

Clearly you are the exception that proves the rule.

TheDetective Sat 09-Mar-13 22:21:19

I want a DH like that!

Mine told me today that when he brings O down in the mornings, he falls back asleep on the sofa while O is on his playmat. The minute O squawks he wakes up to him.

So please explain why the fuck he can't do that at night, and if he is doing the night feeds or whatever, he doesn't bloody wake! <Cries>

StuntNun Sat 09-Mar-13 22:28:05

Have to say my dad was a SAHD while my mum went out to work. I'd rather have him looking after me when I'm poorly than my (ex-nurse) mum. He made my school lunches, dinner every day, took me to my orthodontist appointments, music lessons everything. Maybe DHs just need a chance to step up to the bat.

Izzybuzzybuzzybees Sat 09-Mar-13 22:30:04

vq j will be 19 weeks on wed so I'd hoped we would have turned a corner by now :-(

He's asleep now so I'm taking him upstairs. I need sleep!

BigPigLittlePig Sat 09-Mar-13 22:32:54

Willie wearer vq has made me and dh laugh, a lot grin can't believe we didn't realise luis was a man, that's embarrassing

Just got my arse kicked at monopoly. Was lovely to play though, we used to play board games quite often but when preggo I couldn't bend to reach a board on the coffee table, and it's only the last few days LO has gone to bed early enough. Knackered now though.

DH came good with mothers day, he staggered in yesterday with a massive bouquet of roses and lilies and oodles of chocolate. So now my house smells lovely lovely lovely.

Hope you all have a lovely mother day lie in <hollow laugh> with the exception of luis grin - sorry! Night all x

BigPigLittlePig Sat 09-Mar-13 22:34:22

Apologies - just read post back to myself and may have overused the word "lovely". Sickening blush

TheDetective Sat 09-Mar-13 22:36:10

Me and VQ may fight over you if this is the case wink.

Serious moment. HELP!

We've had a shitty evening. O was fine, until he had a massive screaming fit, and I could hear him bubbling and choking on the acid reflux. I calmed him down, and then realised he was sleepy. I gave him his Omeperazole, as I'd decided to do it 9.30am, and 7.30pm and give a slightly bigger dose as I didn't feel the 2.5mls was cutting the mustard. After the dose he had an even bigger acid attack, and as I took him upstairs to try and get him to sleep, and he then threw up his last bottle from 2 hrs previous plus the Omeperazole. It was an explosive one, normally his are not explosive, it hit the walls, the wardrobe, the cot, the floor, O was covered from head to toe, I was covered my clothes, inside my bra, my jewellery, my hair, my slippers etc etc. It was a full strip off job. sad

He sobbed himself to sleep in the end. Fuck this shit is hard. I can't stand seeing him in pain and being able to do so little to make it better. sad

He started with a snotty nose today, so I assume that is why he's going backwards again.

I just want to help him!!!

Also, he is dropping his morning feed, but this isn't the one I want him to drop! All week he has fed between 2-5 in the morning, but then is going over 8 hours if I leave him. Eg. today he fed at 5am, and at 11.30 he still hadn't cried for a feed so I just fed him. 3.30pm, he hadn't cried for a feed. So I fed him again. 7pm, no cries for a feed. So I fed him again. I want him to feed in the day, but he is doing the opposite and then doing 3-4 hourly feeds at night! He's also only taking around 3oz with feeds again.

VQ Sounds like things here with O, in regards waking and sleeping patterns, and I agree, bringing the bedtime earlier for us means making the mornings earlier. I know if he is up later than usual, he will go to bed later. He is fairly flexible, and will go down at some point between 7.30-9, and get up between the same hours in the morning.

Last night we had 2 wakenings and that was just for feeds. Progress! Can't see the same tonight! And I've got 3 11 year olds waaaaaaaaaaah!!

I'm sorry you are feeling down VQ. Obviously we've only got one dc but DH is fully hands on (in fact I'm trying to persuade him to go back to his weekly running club & have some time for himself) and I don't see why some men use their supposed incompetence as an excuse - it's the same kind of thinking as those cleaning product commercials that make men out to be dimwits - conveniently meaning that women are the only ones capable of lots of drudgery. Of course your DH is capable of looking after all 3, it's just that it would be difficult the first few times. If you were in hospital, jail or worse he'd bloody have to! (Not suggesting you try this)

Luis I'm sure you must find that sort of thing annoying as you are showing that you are capable of this stuff, as well as writing a thoughtful post on things we can look forward to.

I don't think I'm making much sense as I'm a bit tired. I shall withdraw and hope I haven't offended anyone. Love and Mother's Day thanksthanksthanks to everyone xx

TheDetective Sat 09-Mar-13 22:50:30

VQ I despair at him! How the fuck does he think you manage? What he means is, he doesn't want to. My suggestion is to just go out. Don't tell him. Just go. Once J is fed. Hell, if he needs another feed while you are gone, he will take a bottle, so it isn't like he can't manage is it?

Baptism of fire gets my vote.

I left DP home with both boys the other night from 4.30 til 9.30pm. And while it mostly went tits up in terms of getting O to sleep, it wasn't disasterous. Everyone was alive!

Go to the cinema! Just do it, go alone. I have done in the past! Revel in the fact you are alone, no mummymummymummywhywhywhywaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah grin and eat shit loads of shit and then don't go home!.

Brockle Sat 09-Mar-13 23:05:54

I agree with detective vq . go out by yourself for a coffee or something. you need to do it for yourself smile

I think Y is havinh worse reflux in the last week and he is 15 weeks. It is mild and manageable with a change in my diet but the last two days have not been good. off to drs on Monday methinks.

I am not expecting much on the mothers day front (based on previous experience) but DH already has breakfast sorted. breakfast middle east style - yummy grin

thanks ladies on FB for bumbo advice. Y loves it and is all smiles when he is in it. he even prefers it to the bouncer. wow. three posts in one thread, I will retreat again now. bye grin

ValiumQueen Sat 09-Mar-13 23:11:55

Thank you for your support ladies. I shall re-read when awake.

izzy I think it it time to get tough with your wee man. At 19 weeks he should do better. Although saying that, he is also a big boy like J. Perhaps there is a big baby boy syndrome, like the little man syndrome?

luis I think it my have been helpful to have declared your willie-wearer status. As this is Mumsnet, we cannot be blamed for assuming you are a vagina-wearer. We are certainly not anti-men (except our own, and that is allowed) and would love to have the male perspective. Has your partner already gone back to work?

TheDetective Sat 09-Mar-13 23:45:18

I want my bed. These boys do not seem to want their beds.

Fuckers. The lot of them! And O has woke 3 times already.

Fucking fucking fucking craping arseing hell!

StuntNun Sat 09-Mar-13 23:55:30

Luis isn't the only bloke on here though, we have had MrYellowWellies and MrDetective and probably other posters and lurkers. Is the lurker amnesty still on?

kissyfur Sat 09-Mar-13 23:55:48

Welcome luis, the first daddy to join our quiche smile

Detective poor O and poor you, that sounds horrid. It sounds like quite a few of our LO's who have reflux have been suffering more this week, maybe it's their age? Whatever it is, it's horrible, you just feel so helpless when they have a bad attack sad

Contradictionincarnate Sun 10-Mar-13 00:02:39

vq what is your morning routine? ... I think I really must start to get her up early and do one.
Luis I had assumed you were a vag badge carrier too ...
strange before really thinking about children dh had said he would like to be a SAHD I had said that I would need to go back to work at least part time I couldn't imagine being home 'alone'... now dh says he couldn't do it I would love to be SAHM if I could afford it!
Being a property lawyer is very stressful ... think a lot of legal work is especially where deadlines are involved hats of to catbag with 5 ontop!!smile
Any hoo my dh is v good and extra so this weekend had dd all last night while I was out and got her to sleep smile
today he spent most of the day with her I had a nap smile and flowers smile and tommorow I will have wine at family meal out dh said he will be responsible for dd smile
when we chatted to 2 of his friends recently they did the first morning feed and I teased dh that he should too to give me a break (they are ff though) I really don't mind the early morning feeds they are the smoothest ones ... but think he feels a.bit guilty and very.grateful grin... which is nice.
bet his mates don't do half the housework (probably more too).
right think this.post will be massive ... dd went to.sleep downstairs and for the first time ever went down in Moses but now is not in her sleep bag but has blankets on which means I may not get much sleep after that Madeline Mae story! sad
sleep dust to everyone ...
and special hug and flowers for Eliza not waking up mothers day at home!
all have a good day tommorow and hope a lie in ... we all need to remember (and I am talking about myself here)... that we are being the best mums we can be and trying (very trying!) our best!
have a happy mothering Sunday one and all

can't believe its past midnight I.have been on here far too long! grin

Contradictionincarnate Sun 10-Mar-13 00:05:00

Woah I need some sleep...what a messy nonsense of a post! I used to be an intelligent human honest!!

LuisGarcia Sun 10-Mar-13 00:08:27

Happy mothers day. Mums are brilliant.

TheDetective Sun 10-Mar-13 00:13:34

Oh yes, MrDetective has been a lurker! He swears he isn't now! Not sure if I believe him!

Luis My DP is going to be the one to work part time, so he will be doing most of the day to day stuff with the baby. He has a lot to learn yet. grin Initiative being one... arghhhhh!

kirrinIsland Sun 10-Mar-13 00:14:52

First feed. Not bad for N.

I also didn't realise you were male Luis but like VQ says, I don't think it was an unreasonable assumption. I think the comments about DP/DHs being able to switch off and have a "normal" life are generally true, but that they are referring to the non stay at home parent as opposed to the mother - but for most of us, that is us, the mother. My DP is pretty good, but it would never occur to him to check I'm around to look after the girls before booking himself a dentist appointment or a haircut or going to the gym - he'd just do it. I have no such luxury, and I think it's that sort of thing that grates for some of us sometimes.

VQ I've heard the argument about not coping with all of them alone before. What does he think you do every day!? Best he starts small and builds up, but not ever having all 3 isn't an option - you need to be able to leave them occasionally.

Hope no one is reading this cos you're all asleep smile

LuisGarcia Sun 10-Mar-13 00:54:27

luis I think it my have been helpful to have declared your willie-wearer status.

I kind of see that, in isolation, but tbf I already declare that in a large proportion of my posts across the board, especially where I think it's relevant. I kind of assume most people either know or don't care after that, so it feels a bit odd to feel I have to say it every time I post.

Has your partner already gone back to work?

Not yet, but it's only a few weeks away. I know I've been incredibly lucky to have her around this long, that's partly why I don't make a big deal of things on here usually, but I have been and am again about to be the lone adult. Just because I'm a willy wearer doesn't mean I'm either incompetent or don't know what being the main parent involves.

Can we continue this another day?

PurplePidjin Sun 10-Mar-13 01:01:18

Mine openly admits he finds parenting a baby hard, he just doesn't figure out what R needs as fast as i do. Or my mum does. A lot of that may be down to me trying to protect him from the hard stuff. Pre-stroke, he was out at work all day so the traditional lack of opportunity. Post-stroke he is slightly clumsy and tires really quickly so i just do things in order to let him rest as much as possible. He also reckons that lacking the correct instincts is no reason not to learn so he tries harder and i give pointers if needed. There are times when R clearly prefers daddy's company and will grump on me until handed over the same as he grumps to be stood up/sit down/new toy etc!

We don't have a bedtime routine per se but i always do things in the same order - into crib with mobile while i get ready, get R ready including into sleeping bag, feed and cuddle in bed then transfer. It sometimes works during the day but only intermittently, the sling is more reliable for day sleep. Luckily he stays asleep in it if i stop moving!

Lily311 Sun 10-Mar-13 01:05:37

I am awake. Baby is asleep. Grrrrrrr. I want to sleep!!

PurplePidjin Sun 10-Mar-13 01:08:33

Luis, i haven't encountered you elsewhere and I'm here all the bloody time do you remember posters across threads? Any ideas what I'm "famous" for on mn?

LuisGarcia Sun 10-Mar-13 01:10:57

I am a man, and I don't know what you are famous for, Pidjin, sorry.

Lilliana Sun 10-Mar-13 01:13:53

First feed here.

Thanks for the advice bplp and stunt. Thought that was the case but wanted to check.

Sorry to those having a tough time with dhs. I feel the same wrt dhs not having to change. He still goes out with mates, trains for triathlons etc as before. L is ebf so that does make it harder to leave her as not expressed or tried a bottle. I think/hope this will change as she gets older.

Tbh though i love being at home with L and would be v jealous if i was working and dh was sahd - swings and roundabouts.

Nice to have a man on the quiche but i too assumed you were female. That will teach me.

Well happy mothers day. Atm dh is snoring beside me while i feed l. He was out drinking after watching the rugby yesterday so we will wait to see what the rest of the day brings ...

TheDetective Sun 10-Mar-13 01:17:17

See. 4 hourly bloody night feeds. Oscar the pest has got this all wrong arghhhhh!!

StuntNun Sun 10-Mar-13 01:19:33

Are you famous too Pidj? I thought it was only PR that was famous.

Are we being sexist or just baby-brained here? Luis's first post on this thread says that he is a daddy. <Dishes out slapped wrists all round and demands everybody plays nice.>

In other news J is awake again. Ffs I fed him from 11-12 and he's hungry again. Grumph.

TheDetective Sun 10-Mar-13 01:28:25

Massive vomit and screamfest again sad now semi sleeping in arms. Bollocks.

LuisGarcia Sun 10-Mar-13 01:29:05


TheDetective Sun 10-Mar-13 01:29:51

I didn't notice stunt but then my observational skills are lacking these days.

Might have to give up my NN!!

Lilliana Sun 10-Mar-13 01:37:05

Oops! accepts slap on wrist and blames baby brain.

L has fed for 45 mins and decided she is not tired. She normally goes straight off after boob but is currently in her cot playing with ewan while i lie here waiting for the tired grizzles

TheDetective Sun 10-Mar-13 01:38:19

Me and DP had a conversation earlier. We made up new mumsnet sites and the type of users they were for. This went on for a good hour!

Here are some of the highlights! Am afraid they might not be PC those will be DP's contributions!.

Crumbsnet. For the foodies.
Bumsnet. For the lazy fuckers.
Runsnet. For those code brown moments.
Thumbsnet. For those with thumb fetishes or indeed anyone who owns thumbs.
Punsnet. For joke sharing.
Dumbsnet. 4 da txt spkrs.
Cumsnet. Say no more.
Humsnet. For those who want advice on bodily odours.
Stumpsnet. For those who are lacking a limb.
Nunsnet. Talk to god. He is reading.
Umsnet. For the indecisive.

This went on for quite some time. Believe me. blush

Contradictionincarnate Sun 10-Mar-13 01:45:38

dd awake dh got semi woken by her loud screaming when I decided to change her and put her in sleep bag ... does concern me I could never leave her with him for the night she would be screaming her lungs off for hours and he would be blissfully sleeping his sleep talk highlight tonight was
"apparently 3 of the cast members are still missing"
so frustrating no knowing what's going on in his dreamworld!
det amusing apart from stumpsnet ... am I being overly sensitive? should be one of the is it ok? thingys from the last leg perhaps.

Lilliana Sun 10-Mar-13 01:46:08

OMG!!!!! (i never use this but is how i feel) L appears to have gone to sleep ON HER OWN ! No rocking / walking /patting/ singing from me.

Lilliana Sun 10-Mar-13 01:47:14

Spoke too soon she has woken up sad

Catbag Sun 10-Mar-13 01:50:10

Mr Catbag also lurked in here when I was in hospital with the twins- he confessed a little while ago. He said he had wanted to post and let you all know how we were doing, but got scared and was lonely so just read loads of posts instead! It does mean that he has a working idea of who I mean when I tell him about stuff though, which is helpful smile

Contradictionincarnate Sun 10-Mar-13 01:53:19

think my dm is tipsy and late night netting ... getting all sorts of notifications from 23 snaps ... anyone else use that site its fab! post on it all the time with photos etc of dd and as its only open to those I gave invited by email I post loads
will be v handy for dh when he is away in London next week!
dh always checks before arranging anything ... hope his two big trips away one massive stag doesn't change any of that smile

Contradictionincarnate Sun 10-Mar-13 01:55:29

oh lilli feel for you ...one minute of ilation(sp) sorry but it also made me smile!
I'm going for the transfer hope its not Karma!

TheDetective Sun 10-Mar-13 01:55:39

I did say DP came up with some of them! That was one of them!

LuisGarcia Sun 10-Mar-13 01:57:22

I am a man, but I think L might be teething. J cut his first tooth at just a few days older than this, and L is showing the same signs.

TheDetective Sun 10-Mar-13 02:00:25

Is it wrong I can't remember what age DS1 got teeth! Sure it's written in his baby book! Will have a look!

Lilliana Sun 10-Mar-13 02:03:21

Hope transfer goes well. Knew i shouldn't have said anything but dh was snoring and needed to share my excitement with someone.

Love all the things people are looking forward to. L laughed for the first time tonight smile Can't wait until she puts her arms out for me

PurplePidjin Sun 10-Mar-13 03:23:30

I'm not exactly famous on here but known in certain places - i make (well, made now sad) woolly hugs.

Just to demonstrate that this is such a big board that information from one thread rarely travels to others smile

Pikz Sun 10-Mar-13 04:21:37

Omg 7.30-4!!! He's just stopped talking to himself so hope now til 7.


Lilliana Sun 10-Mar-13 04:40:51

Up again. L is clearly not really hungry. I guess my md present is to spend as much time as possible with her hmm

Yay pikz there is hope

kirrinIsland Sun 10-Mar-13 04:44:48

Same here lilliana We were up pretty much every hour again.

pikz that's brilliant! Well done miniPikz smile

barefootwalker Sun 10-Mar-13 04:54:23

Lucky for me DH is very hands on. We only have DD (and the dog!) to look after at the moment but he does bath time each evening and is always keen to do as much as he can. I had the afternoon to myself yesterday so went for a coffee and read my kindle in peace, then met my best friend for a proper good child free catch up (she had a toddler) who she also left at home and then had my first post baby haircut. It was lovely grin

He is also a sound sleeper at night though (sorry can't remember who was just saying that about their DH) and I'm a little worried that he won't wake up when he has to look after her overnight in a couple of weeks. On the plus side, G seems to have inherited his ability to sleep well at night.

Happy Mother's Day to allthanks.

barefootwalker Sun 10-Mar-13 05:03:08

Has a toddler, not past tense.

PetiteRaleuse Sun 10-Mar-13 06:35:54

Morning. Happy Mother's Day.

Luis I was aware you are a man. Sorry if my posts offended, but not very sorry. You will be I'm sure aware that we generalise. Your situation is exceptional, well, relatively rare. I'm sure you are excellent at being a SAHD. But one of the reasons you manage better than our DHs is that you will have managed your expectations and become aware of reality a lot earlier. Our DHs don't have to do this all the time, so don't realise how hard it is. And yes, are able, because they can, to switch on and off.

stunt I'm no longer famous it's all forgotten. I enjoyed my 15 minutes though grin

pidj why the sad doesn't wooly hugs happen anymore? Have you stopped? I think it's fab.

sweetpea1112 Sun 10-Mar-13 06:41:28

7:30 - 4:30! shock WTF?? Happy Mothers Day indeed!

justonemorecake Sun 10-Mar-13 06:45:38

Hi, I've been lurking for a while, but thought I should finally say hello as there has been a lurkers amnesty. I was very briefly on one of the first few antenatal threads but just couldn't keep up! I hope its ok for me to join at this late stage.

My DD, Emilia, was born 22nd November. She's our first.

For 15 weeks her sleep is still poor. She was waking every 1.5 hours, and I didn't think it could possibly get worse than this, but the last few nights she has been waking every hour, and has started waking for the day at 6! I really don't know what I'm doing wrong. We have a bedtime routine etc. It is a good job E is a gorgeous smiley baby! ((Hugs)) to others also struggling with sleep deprivation. I hope you have all had a better night than me.

Have a lovely Mother's Day everyone!

PetiteRaleuse Sun 10-Mar-13 06:54:38

Welcome just no idea, I'm not the best adviser on sleep issues other than perhaps this is her sleep regression, and you'll go back to better than normal at the other end of the tunnel.

MadamGazelleIsMyMum Sun 10-Mar-13 06:56:27

Happy Mother's Day thanks

Got two cards from my monsters (well remembered Daddy) and a lovely card from my DSD. She and I have had a bit of a rocky year, so that was v nice.

My DH will again be a part time SAHD and is very hands on. However, despite being extremely capable, he does tend to look to me as the parent ultimately "in charge".

VQ I totally agree, just go out. If there is too much build up, he will worry. If your DH just has to manage, he will. Like you do. He may not do things the way you do, but he is a different person / parent, and I have had to train myself to believe that different is not necessarily worse, noticed by DC or affects DC. Also, and I mean this in a really nice way, but dont be a martyr grin I am often accused of this, with some truth, and actually I think I know what luis means, that DHs need to be trusted and allowed to do it, even when some may initially seem reluctant / worried, but its a confidence thing. I was petrifed of dealing with both DC on own when DH went back to work, but I learned how to do it. DH needs the opportunity to learn.

I dont think I have expressed myself particularly well and dont want to offend anyone but I think I mean force your DH to learn how to cope without the safety net of you. Yes you will worry the whole time you are gone, the first time, but little and often as possible will breed confidence for both of you. Hugs, thanks wine etc

MadamGazelleIsMyMum Sun 10-Mar-13 07:00:06

Welcome back just. There are a few people having sleep issues. I have no real advice but remember "this too shall pass"!

justonemorecake Sun 10-Mar-13 07:09:25

Thank you! That is what I keep telling myself, although my mum kindly told me that my brother didn't sleep through consistently until he was 3! I have actually got used to waking up every 1.5 hours and can cope with it reasonably well. But waking every hour is too much!

StuntNun Sun 10-Mar-13 07:48:18

There are lots of teeth charts on the Interweb Luis that show when teeth come through. IIRC the teething can go on for months before the tooth actually erupts. My DS2 got his first two bottom teeth at the same time and it was awful for him.

Welcome back Just, I have another poor sleeper here. Sometimes I think I wake up more tired than when I went to sleep. I have demanded an afternoon nap today so I will ask DH to take the kids+dog out for a walk so I can have peace and quiet. They do start sleeping better after four months so long as you have a bedtime routine in place and work on your sleep associations so they can get themselves back to sleep. The Troublesome Tots website is good for sleep advice.

ValiumQueen Sun 10-Mar-13 07:50:04

With respect stunt , luis did not state he was a dad on this thread. There was a reference to 'daddy', but that post could have been easily written by a female. When he joined us on the last thread, there was no mention of him being male. I stand by my comment that it would have been helpful to have known that.

luis you are wrong to assume that we would all know who you are. Please do not feel that you need to start each post with 'I am a man' as you have made your gender more than clear.

On other news, J slept through!

PurplePidjin Sun 10-Mar-13 07:52:55

Woolly hugs is going strong! Just sad I've had to step down now


sweetpea1112 Sun 10-Mar-13 07:53:43

Well done J!

I thought O might be teething so we used teething gel last night and he slept 9 hours straight and is still sleeping now shock Will repeat again tonight before I decide that teething is definitely the culprit.

Sophiathesnowfairy Sun 10-Mar-13 08:03:40

How exciting to have luis and justonemorecake join us. If you stick with us you will soon see what an excellent quiche we are. Though we are always honest with each other we are all acutely aware that there are Human faces with feelings behind the names and the thread is filled with kindness and mutual support.


This is sophia fairy reporting from bed, surrounded by children.

kirrinIsland Sun 10-Mar-13 08:03:58

Yay for miniVQ and minisweetpea smile

Welcome justone I have a poor sleeper as well - 2 hours is a long sleep in our house. No advice, as if I knew how to fix it i'd do it myself! But sympathy and brew

crap night here, and I've got to get up to take DD1 to a birthday party. Birthday parties are a relatively new development in my life and at the moment DD1's social life is better than mine!

In other really boring news - I made a bottle of ebm to take out with us yesterday and left it on the side. That means I had to throw it away, and I had to feed N at the table whilst out with friends. Actually, that's not such a problem as I'll feed anywhere, but throwing ebm away is gutting as I am crap at expressing - 3oz a day!

ValiumQueen Sun 10-Mar-13 08:07:35

sweetpea well done to baby pea too! You needed that!

I woke frequently unfortunately.

I have flowers and cards. No lay in, but I am ok with that.

PetiteRaleuse Sun 10-Mar-13 08:17:20

I've spent the morning so far making and freezeing batches of puree smile Weaning seriously starts today.

ValiumQueen Sun 10-Mar-13 08:21:05

I am really looking forward to weaning. What have you made PR carrots?

Sophiathesnowfairy Sun 10-Mar-13 08:21:24

grin vq I have cards and lie in and no flowers! I too am happy with Wee Willie and Little O sitting on my bed with toast and tea. (Me not them ) ( girls at their dads sad due to meeting up with friends beginning to take precedence over time with parents. Sigh. I suppose they have to grow up)

Sophiathesnowfairy Sun 10-Mar-13 08:22:21

I am excited about weaning now too. Might make my purses up in the next week! Yippee.

PetiteRaleuse Sun 10-Mar-13 08:25:39

Carrots, sweet potato, courgette, pear, apple, apple & pear. Enough for a few weeks if you include the banana and avocado which won't need cooking. Was up really early so just got on with it.

PetiteRaleuse Sun 10-Mar-13 08:26:31

And yes I'm starting with carrots today grin

PetiteRaleuse Sun 10-Mar-13 08:31:08

I have also fed the animals, done the dishes, cleaned the oven, and the hob and done a load of laundry.

I think i'm coming down with something. I don't normally do anything on Sundays confused

kissyfur Sun 10-Mar-13 08:32:32

I have a DP who does help out a lot but like another poster said (sorry can't remember who) he wouldn't think twice about arranging to do something without checking I was around to look after the girls. Which does grate on me a bit really

2 x 4 hour stretches of sleep for me last night so no complaints there.

Well done to Oscar sweetpea!

We also have teething here I think. The Anbesol liquid that YW recommended works wonders

Happy mothers day one and all, hope you all get spoilt rotten smile

ValiumQueen Sun 10-Mar-13 08:35:57

Very impressivePR do you boil or steam? I plan to steam if I can find the steamer.

Lily311 Sun 10-Mar-13 08:56:06

Pr, how old is your little one? I am not sure when to start weaning, I will be moving abroad for 2.5 years at the beginning of May, O will be 23-24 weeks old. Ideally I would love to start after the move but not sure she can manage on milk until than.

Happy Mother's day! It is a bittersweet one for me, missing my OH a lot. My brother came yest and brought me chocolates which was nice though I really wanted a card. I am out seeing friends today, hope it will cheer me up. O slept till 5.25, woke up ravenous, had both boobs plus a bottle shock.

PetiteRaleuse Sun 10-Mar-13 09:03:35

Where are you moving to Lily ?
She is just over 20 weeks.

VQ I boil the hard stuff like carrots and potatoes on the hob as I don't have a steamer, and the fruit I cook in a tiny bit of water in the microwave.

And I use the food procesor to blitz it all with some of the cooking water.

Evilwater Sun 10-Mar-13 09:13:08

Sorry ladies I have to vent! angry
Damn MIL angry. I came home from a walk with N, so he was hungry but settled. So MIL did everything to make him unsettledangry. With TV on, his mat lights on, while using his music ball as well as passing him around like a shinny new toyangry.
So with a very hyper baby, he didn't want milk, and it took me all evening to settle him. Then when it came to meal time she took over. I had him in his basket playing with a toy, but the first noise he made she picked him up, and took him to the table and started to play, with him using her food. Within 15 minutes of his bed time.

So getting him to sleep, not easy. Getting him to stay asleep, harder.

sweetpea1112 Sun 10-Mar-13 09:21:50

I have the opposite problem to a lot of you. My OH thinks he knows best about everything baby. I am the one who is the rubbish parent. Already this morning I have fed O incorrectly and wiped milk from around his mouth in the wrong way hmm

My Mother's Day card said 'Mum' not 'Mummy' sad inexplicably sad about this.

LuisGarcia Sun 10-Mar-13 09:46:11

Happy Mothers day, one and all! Mums are awesome.

ValiumQueen Sun 10-Mar-13 09:48:27

311 big hugs x I cannot even begin to imagine what it is like for you. That was very sweet of your brother. I think a card for the first Mother's Day is the daddy's job, which is why he probably did not give a card in case it caused you more pain. Your brother remembered and thought of you. I hope you have a good day with your friends and your lovely little bundle. You will have many more Mother's Days to come, and they just get better. I had my first hand written, all her own work card from DD1 today.

evil how rotten. Big hug. Hope you have a better day today.

sweetpea you are mummy. Nobody can take that away from you. DH saying and doing what he does says more about his insecurities than your lack of ability in my opinion. Please try not to let it get to you, although I can imagine that is easier said than done. Occasionally my eldest calls me mum, and I correct her each time! Although there are also times I get so sick of hearing mummy I consider changing my name grin

MissMummy1 Sun 10-Mar-13 09:48:56

Pass the brew . Little bugger darling has been awake ALL night. (bar 20 mins on dp). This is taking the piss now. She doesnt sleep during the day much either. How can one so small have sooo much energy?! Typically she is asleep now, just in time for me to get ready for work and take her to my mums. sad

Hands up luis, I missed your first post. Good on you for joining us, we arent all anti-men (unless it's our own men hmm ). Mine is uberconfident that he is much better with Tilly and knows exactly what she needs/wants - until I leave the room confused .

Mothers day. Him indoors is at work all day. He cooked steak, dauphinous pots and mummy wine (appletiser) for dinner last night with my fav choccy pud. Tulips and a card (with a dodgy handprint after his and Ms fingerpaint disaster) from M and a half an hour bath in peace grin . We are going to my mum's for tea tonight. smile

ValiumQueen Sun 10-Mar-13 09:51:33

Thank you luis did you spoil your missus rotten?

I am a very bad daughter. I have not got my mum anything, except a card. I have given her another grandchild though, so that will help with lack of gift. Might get the paint out shortly and do some art with the kids for her.

ValiumQueen Sun 10-Mar-13 09:53:55

mm is she happy with it, or is her skin keeping her awake? You really are having a hard time. She was such a good sleeper at first if I recall correctly.

sweetpea1112 Sun 10-Mar-13 10:10:22

mm I was going to ask the same as VQ - is there something keeping her awake, skin etc? I really feel for you, must be so difficult coping with so little sleep.

MissMummy1 Sun 10-Mar-13 10:19:27

Nope, she is just wide awake and wanting to play. No tears until we put her in her cot. Doesnt matter how deep a sleep or wide awake she is either when you put her in it. She was the same with her moses basket in her later weeks in it too. VQ she was regularly going 7+ hours up until 10 weeks. She's 14 weeks now - I am broken sad

Hello, I am feeling like a selfish ungrateful Mummy this morning.

"L" got me flowers and a card. And... an Old MacDonald finger puppet set.

If I have learned anything from this thread it is to be grateful that I have a happy, healthy baby and a lovely DH. Which I am. And I never expect fancy presents from him. It's just, after waiting a long time to be a Mummy, I was secretly hoping for something a bit more... meaningful.

Whinge over. You can all judge me now.

ps Lily I am glad your brother got you chocs but sorry about the card. I was thinking about you yesterday and hoping someone had thought to get you one.

Mother's Day and my birthday today, I didn't get any pressies, DP handed me his wallet and said go nuts in Southampton shopping centre yesterday but I couldn't think of anything I wanted blush
So nothing special going on here today, we did have a nice meal at Jamie's Italian last night which was tasty smile

Happy birthday Tits! thanks

fruitpastilles Sun 10-Mar-13 10:29:24

Morning all! Happy Mother's Day, and happy birthday tits.

Well my dp clearly didn't think my first Mother's Day was any kind of a special day at all, no card, no lie in, no nothing and he wonders why I was upset. He claims that he was going out to get me a card today, I told him not to bother, is that being ungrateful? (Just to point out, I don't think he had any intention of going at all until I had a little moan)

The main thing is that I had my usual beaming smiles off my happy healthy baby girl when I got her out of her cot this morning, and for that I am truly thankful and is all I need on Mother's Day!

barefootwalker Sun 10-Mar-13 10:29:45

Sorry to hear so many people still struggling with sleeping time. We're doing ok but only 16 weeks tomorrow so haven't hit 4 months yet so it could all start going wrong very soon.

I'm with you Kirrin on the woes of ebm. I never get much off and currently am only able to try last thing at night so I'm lucky if I get 2oz! I'm very slowly building up a frozen milk bank but it is taking an age. I've tried expressing from one side while she feeds from the other but I only get around 30-40mls off. I've tried massaging with limited success. I'm in awe of the ladies who seem able to get 150mls+ in one go envy

barefootwalker Sun 10-Mar-13 10:33:37

Cross posted.

Happy birthday Tits thanks

I just got a card Fruitpastilles but neither my DH's or my family have ever been big on Mothers Day so I wasn't really expecting anything.

We're off out for a nice walk at the seaside and maybe some fish and chips, yummmm

Passmethecrisps Sun 10-Mar-13 10:44:19

Greetings baby-makers!

Am in the house. Myself! DH got up with P this morning then took her out to buy us a new coffee machine - ours blew up yesterday. Proper flames!

They have been gone quite a long time now. I miss them!

We had people over for lunch again yesterday. They left at 10:15pm!!! They are very, very dear friends but I was shock to still have them here at P's second bed time!

Brockle Sun 10-Mar-13 10:47:33

my seven year old this morning: "mama here is your card in the style of Vincent van gogh" I have to say he hasn't done a bad job! the brush work is rightgrin

my DH has definitely improved on the mothers day front. taken seven years tho smile

PetiteRaleuse Sun 10-Mar-13 10:49:53

Fish and chips envy

thanks and happy birthday tits

PetiteRaleuse Sun 10-Mar-13 10:50:52

Carrots went down like a bag of cold sick. Will try again tomorrow.

sweetpea1112 Sun 10-Mar-13 10:53:16

Happy Birthday Tits thanks

PR I had such high hopes for the carrots grin

Sophiathesnowfairy Sun 10-Mar-13 11:09:09

grin PR

I haven't had any flowers except the ones I bought myself or pressies except the one I am going to by myself out of the joint account, some frippery for the new house I think

However, that's my DH. He is cooking dinner later and I did get breakfast in bed.

<hugs> for sweetpea and 311 I hope your day goes ok.

Elizadoesdolittle Sun 10-Mar-13 11:26:27

Happy Mother's Day fabulous mummies thankswinebrew - choose whichever you'd prefer grin

For those of you that didn't get much I think Mother's Day comes into its own when the DC's are old enough to make or buy their own things. Think it was my 2nd Mother's Day that I had a right strop as DH hadn't bothered to even get me a card. He never does anything for his own mum, I'm the one that organises anything so it just wasn't built into it. He didn't realise how much it meant to me so the next year I got card, flowers and chocolates. And this year DD1 made me a card which means more than any bought one so as they get older it can only get better.....until they get too old and they can't be arsed!

pr this is a very silly question but how do you make your purées? I'll have to do it for E but never bothered with DD1. Do you just boil the veg and then mash it?

Well my nice gift from the hospital is being kicked out of my nice comfy room into one without a bathroom. At least I still have my own room I guess. The in laws are bringing DH and DD1 over so we can have lunch in the hospital canteen. Did I say this before? Sorry if I'm repeating myself, brain is mush.

E was weighed earlier and is now 10lbs 3 so that's good news.

luis one of my nct group is a sahd. I think he found it quite tricky at first as all the groups are very mother orientated but he's settled into the role really well. I think it is hard for dads as in some instances you are damed if you do and damed if you don't. A lot of men just don't get the baby stage, mine is one of them, but he tries and is supportive of me which is the main thing. Hope you don't feel isolated on this thread and I know you won't be treated any differently because you are a man. You'll receive the same advice and support no matter what.

tits happy birthday lovely. Glad you at least had a nice meal out. I love Jamie's Italian, yummy.

Elizadoesdolittle Sun 10-Mar-13 11:30:26

seeetpea I understand re the mum thing. My shop bought one says mum. I am mummy! DD1 has started to call me mum a bit, it's the preschool influence creeping in. I'm trying to knock it out of her!

lily special thoughts for you and how lovely of your brother.

Kyzordz Sun 10-Mar-13 11:35:18

Morning all! Happy birthday tits and happy mothers day all! sweetpea I find it really sad your dp makes you feel so rubbish with regards to LO. You are anything but so please don't believe him

luis when ever mentioning about a mans life not changing very much when lo's come along I wouldn't be referring to SAHD's. In fact tend to be generalising or referring to my dp. I am just like the other poster (forgot who), I don't help myself as I will feel like I cannot even nip loo without rushing, then be pissed off that dp takes all the time in the world to do anything but then when we discussed it he said I do not have to rush, and I need to trust him more. And I do need to. I can't very well moan he does nothing or his life hasnt changed if I don't stop the way I can be sometimes. Obviously your life has changed lots and it sounds like you do a fab job smile

Welcome just and any other lurkers I forgot to welcome!

After staying up Friday watching brother sober up, was tired, we went to a friends to play darts, I didn't take e's travel cot as I thought he would sleep in pushchair. He did not. Thought last bottle that is usually dream feed would knock him out. It did not. Was desperate for him to go to sleep, and he eventually did at 11:30. Am hoping it was a one off because he was excited by the evening. He wasn't fussy or anything, he was very good. Last night is a prime example of me and dp. He wanted to settle him and I insisted I did because I know how. Well how will he learn if he never has to? I did apologise, I was snappy a bit of a bitch actually and it wasn't on I think I was just so tired, and I hold my hands up and admit I am awful with lack of sleep!

pr how long do puréed things freeze for? If possible I will make some ready for when we start so I don't get into a flap! Hope the carrots go down better tomorrow!

Am sure there was more but Ill be buggered if I know what it was!

sweetpea1112 Sun 10-Mar-13 11:41:56

kyz glad your brother is ok after his exploits. Lesson learned hopefully.

I can't wait for weaning, O just laughed as we rubbed teething gel into hid gums so can't wait to see the reaction to food!

PetiteRaleuse Sun 10-Mar-13 11:55:20

I spoke too soon. Typed my last post, thought I'd try again and there she was with a big open sparrow mouth and had four small spoonfuls. Enough for today, hope she doesn't get tummy ache. Am pleased though, a very good start.

Kyz i freeze them up to about a month in little avent breast milk pots and ice cube trays. They start slowly but then start getting through them very quickly. Three carrots have made about 12-14 starter helpings, but she'll eat bigger quantities quite quickly.

Eliza I boil, VQ steams. You can do either, but if you boil you have to be careful not to let them cook too long as the nutrients go. Don't know about steaming. Then I mash with a bit of the cooking water in the foodprocessor. Really smooth, almost soup now. Then will blitz less and less as she gets bigger.

Those of you doing purees, as opposed to or mixed with BLW I really recommend Annabel Karmel's books or site if you'e not sure how to start. MN hate her for some reason, but the complete baby and toddler meal planner has some really great, easy recipes in, and nutritionally they are balanced, which is the bit I found hardest with DD1.

TheDetective Sun 10-Mar-13 11:55:27


Happy mummys day grin thanks.

I have 3 very fucking naughty 11 year olds on my hands still. I am not sure how I haven't killed one my own yet. They were up til gone 2, woke O several times with banging about hmm. And then the pièce de résistance culminated in porridge. Porridge everywhere. On the floor, table, chairs, walls, clothes. And at the centre of porridgegate was DS1. Fucker. He is in lots of trouble. Total lack of respect, not even arsed at what he had done. hmm

That boy is getting taken down a peg or two. He wasn't like this til year 6. hmm

On the other hand, I have 5 mothers day cards. One from O, one from DP (?!) and 3 from DS1, one he made, one DP bought, and one ExDP bought he hasn't bothered for years my mum has done it every other year til last year, so what has come over him??!.

I look popular anyway! I told DP no presents, owing to lack of monies, but he has bought me the Twilight Breaking Dawn soundtrack so I can listen over and over and over and over in my car woohoo! Plus it has mine and O's song on. Mr thoughtful huh?! Shame the same can't be said about this morning. It's business as usual here with DP doing not a fucking lot, and me cleaning up after everyone. hmm

We're going to MIL's for a takeaway later. I'd say I'm looking forward to it, but I'm craving something healthy. What is wrong with me?! I am not fucking pregnant before any clever fucker suggests it!!.

TheDetective Sun 10-Mar-13 11:57:31

YW O keeps spitting up the Omeperazole liquid. I have the Losec MUPS still, which he took much better as it was mixed with water. I'm wondering if I should try him again with that rather than the liquid as he seemed to be better with it?

TheDetective Sun 10-Mar-13 11:58:52

Happy birthday Tits!

And welcome just!

Catbag Sun 10-Mar-13 12:01:49

So, I started les enfants on solid food about 12/14 days ago. River had started getting upset hysterical at me while I was eating and Saul has completely lost his tongue-thrust reflex. I was a bit worried about it, so DH did a bit of scouting around, signed up for a 7 day free trial of the BMJ and found me a recent piece of research that (to cut a long story short) said definitely no solids before 17 weeks, but little to no evidence to support issues with selective purees before that.

I have to say it has been an unqualified success. I don't know if it is a massive coincidence, but River started sleeping through the next night and although not going down for a nap, they definitely are snoozing for a little longer in the day. I am pleased, and so are they. Saul particularly; he does a little wiggle dance and joy-face when he sees the bowl and spoon. River just shouts at me until I put food in her mouth!

We have done baked butternut squash and sweet potato, steamed carrots and cauliflower cheese. All homemade and pureed, obviously. They are good vegetarians grin

The weird thing is that it hasn't actually replaced any of their milk feeds. They are still feeding as much as they were before, so I feel a bit bad as I think they may have been hungrier than I had thought sad

Just thought I would share with you all as I know some of you are thinking about starting soonish smile

TheDetective Sun 10-Mar-13 12:03:41

O fell asleep in my arms nuzzling in to my jumper and hair. I wondered why. Then I realised. Calpol. grin

Gave him that as he was very distressed, snot filled and hot this morning. God love calpol!

Catbag Sun 10-Mar-13 12:04:52

<<hands detective the quiche's fish for the slapping of the boy>>

Catbag Sun 10-Mar-13 12:05:34

<<quickly clarifies, the big boy, not the little one!>>

TheDetective Sun 10-Mar-13 12:06:35

It's okay, I know which boy needs a fish slap grin. He's so gonna regret this later! His new computer for his birthday? Gone. Hah. He can earn it back. He hasn't even used it yet.

TheDetective Sun 10-Mar-13 12:10:13

The boys were due to be collected at 12. Wish their parents would hurry up grin. I assume they are lost. We don't live that close to them!

Catbag Sun 10-Mar-13 12:10:30

grin In the admittedly rare event of my DS playing up, removal of computer privileges is the only thing that really bothers him. He is like a total geek though

YellowWellies Sun 10-Mar-13 12:19:46

Detective we're back onto the losec MUPS as the omeperazole liquid is so gacky DS was sometimes choking on it. He started off fine.

I've got full on lurgy here - weak as a kitten, fever, achy joints - was v grateful for sleep in until 10.30am and breakfast in bed of smoked salmon and poached egg bagels. Got a lovely card and some books from DS - including a genuine Jonas scribble in the card. Just wish I didn't feel like death. Think J is coming down with it too - he just wants to snooze on the boob - smart little kitten hopefully he'll get a hefty dose of antibodies. How on earth I could look after him on my own?! Am so glad its the weekend.

Elizadoesdolittle Sun 10-Mar-13 12:23:39

Thanks pr am looking forward to making up a batch when I get home. It's quite nice that I'm doing this with E as I feel like its a special thing between us as its so different to how I weaned DD1. I actually had a great book called organic baby purées and also the annabel Karmel book but I gave them away when I didn't use them for DD1. Slaps oneself! Will buy again.

Just put E in her little England rugby babygro ready for the rugby. I bet she's sick on it before the match starts!

Passmethecrisps Sun 10-Mar-13 12:36:13

Poor you YW. Sounds horrid. I am glad that Mr W is able to look after you.

detective sounds like boy is needing a good talking to. I know he adores O but could his recent behaviour be related in some way. He maybe thinks that this is how big boys behave. Enjoy your takeaway.

Sounds like lots of fun eliza. By the looks of her E is going to very much enjoy lots of food.

Hooray for you catbag - was that part of he reason for your MN exile? Sounds like the babies were well ready. The dietitian said to me recently that the signs of readiness are far more important that number of weeks old. Our babies won't all become ready on the stroke of 24 weeks and many will be ready long before.

I am simulaneously very excited and very scared about weaning. It seems like such a massive thing.

Contradictionincarnate Sun 10-Mar-13 12:36:47

catbag how old are yours again? and what is the research ... have a very patronising hv who says nothing until 17 weeks...
I thought I had figured out she was patronising me because of my valleys accent ... dh thinks I'm being paranoid!

Contradictionincarnate Sun 10-Mar-13 12:40:18

aw Eliza enjoy the rugby! I can't find welsh tops for lo sad
you would think the WRU would sell them its obligatory to love rugby from birth here! smile

ValiumQueen Sun 10-Mar-13 12:43:16

6 months is 26 weeks.

I hope to wait until 22 weeks with J. He seems happy enough on the milk.

I steam because I think the flavour is better and the nutrients stay better. The liquor that comes off can be used to thin it down.

Snowing here. It is not really laying, but is coming down thick and fast. DH took the girls out in the car, I know not where. I put J down for a nap, climbed into bed, and ten minutes later he was awake. Great. Very thoughtful of DH.

PetiteRaleuse Sun 10-Mar-13 12:50:28

YW you have my sympathy. Had flu a couple pf weeks ago and it turned me into a real waste of oxygen for several days thanks

ValiumQueen Sun 10-Mar-13 12:56:24

YW hope you feel better soon. If you are not well for Tuesday then we can arrange another date so do not allow that to make you feel even worse. Sickness happens. Not much of a Mother's Day gift though.

YellowWellies Sun 10-Mar-13 13:10:53

Yeah if I'm like this tomorrow then I'm not going to make Tuesday as its not fair to share the love with the wee ones - Jonas' reflux has flared up with it - so not something that pass's P needs to be exposed to, and given that VQ's J has just started sleeping through he could do without my snot!!!! Will have to come to the next one.

I am having the most desperate cravings for a Mars bar, the crack as you bite into the thick chocolate, the smell, the gooeyness. Could happily kill for one sad

DP has out done himself on Mothers Day damn, will have to match it on Fathers Day

A lovely card with outline of the girls hands and a silver necklace, two pink beads in a silver pea pod with their initials on it, very sweet. Breakfast in bed and a fab lay. Best present though was their happy gummy smiles and laughs when I went in to see them at 10am!

Hope everyone has had a lovely day smile

kirrinIsland Sun 10-Mar-13 13:24:01

Happy birthday tits thanks

Hope you feel better soon YW

Birthday party went well but i am now sat in the car with 2 sleeping girls - thank goodness for smart phones, i have only recently joined the modern age!

I got flowers and a card this morning, as well as my first card from DD1 - she'dscribbled on a piece of folded paper. I shall keep it forever :-)

Sorry you feel like poo YW flowers

Kyzordz Sun 10-Mar-13 13:45:48

Hope you feel better soon Yw

Thanks pr I have done some carrot and need to blend it and stick it in ice cubes I guess! He is 18 weeks Tuesday. He is so interested in food I am considering giving him a spoon of something and seeing how he goes. Any time I have given him a little something (banana or mash once each) it goes straight down!

Got my bfp a year ago today

TheDetective Sun 10-Mar-13 13:46:32

YW Poor you, I hope DH is looking after you well!

Garden that sounds lovely! Well done DH! He's coming along well I see wink.

Pass It started pretty much as soon as Y6 hit. Before O. I'm fairly sure I know who is encouraging it too. His dad. It's a long story, but it makes me utterly miserable knowing his dad is encouraging such behaviour, and encouraging him to think he's grown up. He treats DS1 like a mate, not his son. It's fucking ridiculous. Yesterday morning his dad was on about 'when you have the lads around' like he's some sort of bloke living in his batchelor pad. It makes my skin crawl. I can't stop him though, he just laughs and carries on with this shit. And how can I stop a child who adores their dad from seeing them.

Fucking cunt balls.

My mum sees it too, as his headteacher she gets to see it all too. Neither of us know how to fix it. I'm afraid that unless I stop him seeing his dad, he's going to grow up to be horrible, rude, thoughtless, and carry an attitude exactly like his dad of 'so what' and 'it'll do'.

YellowWellies Sun 10-Mar-13 14:00:00

On a positive note - today is one year since I got my BFP and started posting to the quiche! I've hated Mother's Day since losing my Mum and it was always compounded by the fact that Mother's Day often falls on what was her birthday (14th March) so its so Fab now to have a happy association with the day.

YellowWellies Sun 10-Mar-13 14:01:39

Kyz yeah we're BFP buddies!

Kyzordz Sun 10-Mar-13 14:04:28

Awesome yw so sorry about your mum though sad 10th march is my sisters bday so won't ever forget the day I got my bfp! Not that I ever would!

Sophiathesnowfairy Sun 10-Mar-13 14:08:00

yw I have always felt a bit meh about Mother's Day. Every mag you pick up as mother daughter stories in it, women's hour always rams mother daughter relationships down your throat, and it's generally everywhere. Is only really this year I haven't really focused on that and enjoyed being the mother. Hope you feel better v quickly.

tits happy birthday! thanks

detective hope all gets back to normal soon. Be grateful was porridge and nt black treacle or something!

Ooo pr am now all motivated to get out the Annabel Karmelout. Why don't people like her. Am beginning to build my own theory.

Sophiathesnowfairy Sun 10-Mar-13 14:08:27

Oo treated myself to a nice vase for Mother's Day. grin

YellowWellies Sun 10-Mar-13 14:23:49

My SIL gave me the Annabel Karmel book it looks really good. My sister however can't stand her claiming all the recipes are full of ketchup and set kids up for a love of unhealthy high sugar and salty foods. Can't see it myself personally - haven't spotted one ketchupy recipe! She really does seem to divide opinion though!

ValiumQueen Sun 10-Mar-13 14:35:44

I have the AK book and also GF book of weaning. There is clearly no hope for me.

TheDetective Sun 10-Mar-13 14:47:07

Give me fucking strength.

DS1 comes in wearing one of his new jumpers. 'Mum this only juuuuust fits'. 'Ok, we'll take it back'. As I say that I see DS is standing with the removed tags in hand. FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF.


<deep breaths>

TooManyDicksOnTheDancefloor Sun 10-Mar-13 14:50:08

I also have the AK meal planner book and the Gina Ford book of weaning! I used theGina Ford one mostly and found it to be very useful.

Happy Mother's day everyone! I've had a lovely day so far. Breakfast in bed which was smoked salmon and scrambled eggs. I got a lovely card and amazing hand crafted posh chocolates, yum. Then I was taken out for lunch at the local pub.

Happy birthday tits, it's my mum and sisters birthday today too.

Hope you're feeling better soon yw.

LuisGarcia Sun 10-Mar-13 14:53:33

Was about to smugly post about L taking her first spoonful of puree, but am now covered in partly digested puree.

PetiteRaleuse Sun 10-Mar-13 14:54:15

Never noticed ketchup in the AK recipes. But a little bit of ketchup is hardly bad for anyone is it?

AK gets a lots of stick on MN as she has said negative things about BLW. Also she joined the dark side and produced a range of ready meals which apparently aren't brilliantly healthy.

I like her recipes though.

I tried DD1 on Ella's Kitchen pouches on the recommendation of people on here as being apparently the most natural. Bought a couple from the British shop at vast expense. She wouldn't touch them.

PetiteRaleuse Sun 10-Mar-13 14:57:16

Sympathy Luis I remember the one time I got really covered in vom when DD1 was weaning was when I gave her leek and potato puree at about 6 months. She loved it the next tme she tried it but it made such a mess and really knocked my weaning confidence for a few days. I chucked out the clothes we were wearing too as I couldn't face trying to clean them.

sweetpea1112 Sun 10-Mar-13 15:14:06

I got given the AK book for Christmas. Planning to read it properly this week but from what I have read I really like it.

Planning to use purees and some finger foods from 26 weeks I think.

Izzybuzzybuzzybees Sun 10-Mar-13 15:35:26

Argh!! This sleeping nonsense is getting worse!

He fed at 10,11,12 and 1am last night! Then slept(ish) til 5.30 but I had to hold his hand through the bars on the crib nearly the whole bloody time!!

I've been googling sleep solutions and found a mountain of websites and books saying they'll help but god only knows if they would.

I'm gettng to the end of my tether now and not sure how much I can cope with :-(

Baby Sleep Answers is a site that gives advice. You have to pay but apparently they have "sleep experts" that give you one to one personal advice. Maybe worth a look into?

Catbag Sun 10-Mar-13 16:11:15

pass No, it was completely unrelated. May post a pic of the reason for my absence on FB later x

contra HV's advice is right so far as I know, it definitely correlates with the findings of the research paper that I read anyway. No solids before 17 weeks, that is. My two are 21 weeks, so about 19 and half weeks when they started. I had planned to hang on until 23-24 weeks, which is when the others were weaned, but was going on their cues. After reassuring myself with that paper, anyway smile

Catbag Sun 10-Mar-13 16:14:19

luis grin

Welcome, by the way!

sweetpea1112 Sun 10-Mar-13 16:18:46

Oh Izzy I'm so sorry that you're having such trouble with sleep. I wish I had some wise words for you but I do have a lot of sympathy brew thanks

The one thing that seemed to work for us last night was teething gel. Obviously that was because he was showing signs of teething and we thought that might be unsettling him. Does there seem to be anything unsettling your little one when they wake?

MissMummy1 Sun 10-Mar-13 16:20:10

Inspired by your weaning chat (a couple of months off yet granted) I have bought AK's book and

MissMummy1 Sun 10-Mar-13 16:23:08

bugger. and this!

£20 BNIB from eBay. Will sell on if it's crap. AK's book was £2.50 inc postage. grin

After a lot of reading I am set on a mix of BLW and purees.

Sorry you're poorly yw thanks

PennieLane Sun 10-Mar-13 16:35:46

Where are you moving to Lily? We' might be moving to Hong Kong for 2.5 years in August.

PR we leave tmrw. Lux meet up would have been great, though we'd have to find an Ikea wink I think shelly is visiting in a few weeks?

Happy Mother's Day to all! You're all amazing mummies!

MadamGazelleIsMyMum Sun 10-Mar-13 17:21:51

I used the GF weaning book with DD, she seemed happy with a purée /finger food approach and now happily eats what I want her too and a load of stuff I don't want her to as well and eats whatever she is given at nursery. So going to do the same for DS. He's 18 weeks. He's very curious about food, watching everyone intently at mealtimes, but I don't think he is quite ready yet. In a couple of weeks I will start making my purées for the freezer - I freeze in ice cube trays then move to labeled bags love my lable maker in a bit of a Monica Geller style.

PetiteRaleuse Sun 10-Mar-13 17:51:09

Well you've been lucky with the weather. Did you go anywhere nice?

YellowWellies Sun 10-Mar-13 18:01:18

Pennie I used to live in HK - amazing city. V exciting place to explore. I lived in Taikoo on HK island East but Stanley, Shek O, Cheung Chau and Lamma island are gorgeous and prob a bit more family friendly. The temple of ten thousand buddhas was my favourite discovery off the tourist trail. Am v envious. The food is to die for!!! Oh and the Jade and Goldfish markets in Mongkok and Tsim Tsa Choice. OH WANDERLUST ENVY!!!!

YellowWellies Sun 10-Mar-13 18:02:28

Damn auto correct Tsim Tsa Choi!

Elizadoesdolittle Sun 10-Mar-13 18:05:00

Well considering I'm trapped in a hell hole (bit of an exaggeration!) I've had a lovely Mother's Day afternoon. We went for lunch and considering it was hospital food wasn't too bad at all, then we had a coffee at costa. I played with DD1 in the play room and watched the rugby from there too. They've all left now and E is sleeping after her busy afternoon. I'm not watching the football which isn't so good as I support man utd. It was 2-0 to utd when u turned it on and have had the pleasure of seeing 2 Chelsea goals! My sister is coming to visit later so all in all a good day.

MadamGazelleIsMyMum Sun 10-Mar-13 18:33:29

Glad to hear you sounding so positive eliza

Pennie, how exciting!

Poor DS seems to have inherited my problem with ingrowing nails. Hands and feet sad

justonemorecake Sun 10-Mar-13 18:41:21

izzy sorry to hear you had such a bad night. It sounds similar to mine. i I went to the library the other day and got out every book they had on babies and sleep. Unfortunately I didn't find the magic solution!

I have the AK book and plan to use that when I start weaning. I went to a talk about BLW the other day but it really didn't sound like its for me. I'm quite looking forward to weaning, as it is something DH can join in and help with, which will be nice as E is ebf and won't take a bottle.

I felt a bit disappointed with my first Mother's Day. I don't normally care about presents or being spoilt, but I think I really expected my DH to use today as a chance to show how much he appreciates what I've been through the past three and a bit months. Instead I got a card and a small box of chocs from the coop. No lie in or breakfast in bed. I feel a bit silly and diva like for being so disappointed. We did have a nice day at my parents though and my dad made a lovely roast.

I hope you've all had a great day.

PetiteRaleuse Sun 10-Mar-13 18:44:55

That's great eliza . I guess tomorrow you will see the doctors again and be able to get an estimated release date? Has LO been weighed in the last couple of days? Is she doing well? (sorry if I have missed an update)

We're starting to think about our holiday for 2014. This year we are just going to England and other than that having a staycation. Next year we want to go somewhere new. Somewhere not too hot, not too far, and preferably where we can take the dog.

Any skiers know what is a good age to start? DH is impatient to get DD1 on the slopes. We have mountains a couple of hours away and because I don't ski, and yay can't learn because of the risk to my back we haven't been since we were together. But I quite like the idea of going, staying in the chalet by the fire with the dog and letting them go and have fun.

Pikz Sun 10-Mar-13 18:48:46

PR 4 is a good age. They can understand and not get too cold. We tend to start them at 2 in the pou pou club but that's more just slides and things in the snow for a couple of hours.

justonemorecake Sun 10-Mar-13 18:51:02

Hmm, I'm feeling a bit guilty for complaining about my Mother's Day. I've just looked at E wiggling about on her mat and smiling and I've realised how lucky I am and how really this is the best Mother's Day ever.

rootypig Sun 10-Mar-13 18:53:18

have been furiously catching up and think am almost there!

Luis guess the clue was in the name grin <<waves>> rofl at whoever said willie wearer. if only they could take them off grin
tits thanks happy birthday!
YW thanks I hope you feel better soon, looking after a LO when you're feeling rough is so hard
Detective that's hard about exDP. does DS1 split time equally between you and him? good you have your mum to keep an eye on him at school ha ha grin can't imagine having my granny run my school!
Eliza E looks so well in the recent pics on FB! chubbing up nicely. so glad you've had a good day

that's all I can remember. mother's day thanks for everyone else.

wow am addicted to these little MN emoticons, they are so good.

things are a bit of an epic bag of crap here. LO is a gorgeous little pudding and I am trying to be thankful for that but DH is - oh, god, I can't even be bothered to go into it, I bore myself so much sometimes, but safe to say I am really struggling to swallow the 1950s version of domestic life that seems to be playing out in my house and I don't seem able to stop it. Am just like countless women before me, doing all the drudge and ranting and raving about it endlessly. No mother's day anything here and am really sad about that too. would have been nice to have a card.

Sorry, feeling a bit sorry for myself. Going to have some wine.

rootypig Sun 10-Mar-13 18:56:23

oh just welcome - and sorry you've also had a disappointing day. I feel the same, also trying to remind myself to be grateful for my lovely girl, that is all that matters. but still, have some wine with me, here wine wine grin

rootypig Sun 10-Mar-13 18:59:28

oh wait Lily I am also wondering where you are moving to? we are in theory going to be in California from September, DH is from there and is due to start a phd at UCLA. Would love to live in Hong Kong, Pennie, that would be so exciting! YW you have made my perenially itchy feet itch again!

Elizadoesdolittle Sun 10-Mar-13 18:59:44

pr she was weighed this morning and is now 10lbs 3. Even I've noticed that she looks much chubbier now. Yes, once we get the test results tomorrow I will know more about when we can go home but I'm targeting Tuesday as a release date whether they agree or not. Unless there is a medical reason for us to stay of course.

YellowWellies Sun 10-Mar-13 19:08:44

DH has made me roast chicken and pancakes mwaaaa comfort food served with lucozade. Feel like a kid poorly on the couch. Not what I had in mind for mothers day - being mothered by DH but much needed. Love him x

YW not sure if it will affect J in the same way but I drank Lucozade when DT's were in SCBU while I was still BF them and they got terrible stomach upset from it. Very gassy and watery poos.

Eliza I am a Man U fan too but we support Ireland in the rugby (actually I don't care about rugby but DH does!). DH is Spurs so I suspect L will be too!

Glad to hear you still had a nice M day and E has continued to gain well. Lovely chubby cheeks are a joy to behold. We have a hosp appt tomorrow to review L's progress, he has slowed a little but still doing ok.

I had lunch with my family and had to sit through my sister telling me I might embarrass people by bf in public and should cover up, as well as her enlightened comments on 'immigrants' (in the same week her DH got leave to remain in the uk). Also my brother haranguing me on how int women's day is sexist - despite me pointing out there is also an int men's day. Exhausting.

So I feel a bit like my first Mother's Day has not quite been what I hoped for but I have L and that makes it the best ever.

YellowWellies Sun 10-Mar-13 19:28:18

Wah good recovery garden guess I'll stop at one small glass shock

justonemorecake Sun 10-Mar-13 19:37:50

Oh garden that might explain things...the other day I had a bug and drank a big bottle of lucozade. That evening E was really gassy and had lots of watery poos.

Lily311 Sun 10-Mar-13 19:38:06

Thank you for the kind words. My friend made me cry today, we met up for lunch and she came with a huge bunch of Roses, DD's middle name is Rose. It was so thoughtful, I was crying like a baby blush. I have the best friends in the whole world.

I am moving back to Hungary. It is dead scary, I left over 10 years ago. I supposed to go back to work in May but I am not ready. When OH died I went back to work within 2 weeks and did 50 hours per week just to keep myself busy and not to think and feel. Grief is catching up on me, I need to take time out and get stronger. Our mortgage is paid off due to life insurance payout (please please all of you make sure that you have one!!) and I have a property business which I can manage from anywhere really. So decided to move closer to family and spend the next 3 years with O and finish my OU degree. I will miss my friends and I will miss London but we will come back regularly.

I have a Beaba babycook, my ex boss had it and sweared by it. Got it from a lady on ebay for £16, there is no way I would have paid £90 for it. It steams and blends. Have been using it for myself, the basket is enough for one adult portion of veggies. It is good, can recommend it but get a second hand one. www.amazon.co.uk/Beaba-Babycook-Sorbet/dp/B000T9AZNY

Sophiathesnowfairy Sun 10-Mar-13 19:41:19

pennie that it a super exciting move. How do you feel about it? Do you know where you will be living? Tell us more. (Nosy fairy)

yw yum.

rooty the problem with the 1950s housewife these days is that the 2013 woman holds down a career as well! shock there was some interesting discussion about the difficulties of being everything on Woman's Hour this week on R4.

Ok, yes, I am a woman's hour junky. My mothers daughter.

Dear old mum.

DH delivered a lovely ham hock with cabbage mash and wine. A wonderful Mother's Day.

justonemore it must have been the Lucozade, took me ages to work out what it was!

PetiteRaleuse Sun 10-Mar-13 19:50:01

Lily that sounds like a good plan. You've been through so much, time out to spend time with your little one sounds lovely.

Good news Eliza

Thanks pikz another good two years then smile

Night all.

justonemorecake Sun 10-Mar-13 19:59:22

Thanks rooty I shall enjoy the wine! Sorry to hear you also had a bit of a disappointing day.

Keeping up with this thread is harder than I thought!! Where do you all find the time?!

Re weaning- I BLW ds and it was sooo easy. I must say though I don't think it makes a huge difference in the long run how they're weaned. He's not fussy but def has his favs just like other children.

Ill be starting weaning in one month when dd is 5 months. Have started looking into highchair, going to get her a cheap and cheerful one from mothercare til she's old enough to have a booster seat on a chair like ds.

PetiteRaleuse Sun 10-Mar-13 20:01:54

Where's horseylady ? Not heard from her all weekend. Or have I missed?

BigPigLittlePig Sun 10-Mar-13 20:02:26

Evening all - have just managed to catch up but can't remember what I wanted to say.

thanks to those who need it. Sorry to hear we're not all fighting fit yet

Fs gift to me was a good nights sleep and a lie in - although the ultimate gift is of course waking up and seeing her gorgeous little face, full of amazement that she's woken up and there's a whole world to discover.

O god cats trying to hump my arm.

Pikz Sun 10-Mar-13 20:10:25

In bed praying he does 9hours again but knowing its unlikely. Oh well.

Lily big hugs, being back near family sounds good.

Had a lovely first Mother's Day. Now to catch up.

kissyfur Sun 10-Mar-13 20:10:26

Evening ladies thanks to all who need them. Sorry to her some other halves didn't get you anything for mothers day, that makes me sad sad

Had a nice day here, went for a family dinner this afternoon at a nice pub, stuffed now tho! Going to enjoy a cheeky wine later hopefully if LO goes to sleep ok.

Happy birthday tits!

Lily glad to hear your friend got you some lovely roses and was there for you today x

kissyfur Sun 10-Mar-13 20:14:56

Oh dear - Ewan the sheep is going wrong! His harp music sounds all funny shock

PennieLane Sun 10-Mar-13 20:21:02

Ooo YW I'm scribbling down those tips!! It's not definite but DH has been put up for secondment there, and is having meetings about it now. My org also has office there, so hope i can get a job too down the line, though they made me redundant. Fingers crossed though!

California would be amazing!!! Lily I'm so glad you can take some time with your LO over next few years, and moving back to Hungary will be awesome.

PR we've just eaten and walked lots and hung out with friends. Spent a lot of time walking that Corniche! It's been lovely. We had fondue!

PennieLane Sun 10-Mar-13 20:22:42

sophia no idea where we'd be living yet, but am really excited about it though a little nervous. I'm really worried about telling MIL which we won't do till everything has been signed off. She'll be devastated!

rootypig Sun 10-Mar-13 20:36:28

Lily that sounds like a great plan, to be near support, and thank god for the insurance. glad to hear you're taken care of financially. And what a lovely friend.

kissy shock at Ewan but have to admit the thought of a mental sheep is making me smile

S has been screaming her head off for what I thought was no reason since shed recently been fed but is now working her way through ozes 7, 8 and 9 - extra, that is - shock rooty by name, rooty by nature
wonder if she'll be noticeably bigger in the morning hmm

ValiumQueen Sun 10-Mar-13 20:38:21

kissy new batteries for Ewan.

ValiumQueen Sun 10-Mar-13 20:40:02

I was wondering where horsey is too. She was not feeling well.

kirrinIsland Sun 10-Mar-13 20:41:45

pennie And rootypig those moves sound exciting. I always wish I'd lived abroad somewhere for a few years, just for the experience, but life got in the way!
And lily that sounds like a good plan. You need to take time to take care of yourself.

I was also wondering where horsey was? Must have had a busy weekend, or she's still doing the 32k ride?! I would be unable to move after doing that! I can imagine how sore I'm going to be when I finally get back in the saddle!

Just about to watch Skyfall and generally slob on the sofa. The only difference between this and any other night is Skyfall!

Sophiathesnowfairy Sun 10-Mar-13 20:44:51

Didn't horse have a 32 km ride or somethinge yesterday?

Contradictionincarnate Sun 10-Mar-13 20:47:42

my friend has just text and has gone into labour smile exciting bringing back memories...had lots of wine today god bless mothering Sunday!

PetiteRaleuse Sun 10-Mar-13 20:50:30

Even when I was riding regularly a 32k ride would have knackered me. Me and DH spent a few days of our honeymoon at a fab riding place in France. I hadn't ridden for a few years and was in serious pain by day three. Couldn't mount without a leg up. Day four I was in tears at the end of the day. Brilliant memories though.

YellowWellies Sun 10-Mar-13 20:53:08

Now call me crude PR but a honeymoon where you're too tired and sore to get your leg over defies the point. Phnarr phnarr.... (boom tisch) grin

rootypig Sun 10-Mar-13 20:53:31

PR where do you get pain from horseriding, dare I ask?! confused

rootypig Sun 10-Mar-13 20:53:51

YW grin grin

PetiteRaleuse Sun 10-Mar-13 21:03:55

grin it was only a few days of our trip grin

Pain from horse riding when you're not used to it pretty much everywhere. Calves, inner thighs, butt, lower back, middle back, neck and shoulders. Admittedly on this trip the terrain was quite tough.

ValiumQueen Sun 10-Mar-13 21:05:24

On my honeymoon I looked like I had been riding a horse for 32K.

rootypig Sun 10-Mar-13 21:06:00

PR that is pretty much everywhere except where I expected you to say grin

oh I have just looked at FB pics and remembered I meant to post this for anyone using a Bumbo

Bumbo saftey

apols if you're all aware

rootypig Sun 10-Mar-13 21:06:12


rootypig Sun 10-Mar-13 21:08:02

VQ shock what did he look like?! actually don't tell me.....

ValiumQueen Sun 10-Mar-13 21:11:44

Happy grin

kissyfur Sun 10-Mar-13 21:15:44

Lol VQ at 32k, and thanks - new batteries it is then, it did sound a bit mental rooty!

Oh meant to say we had dummy success today! Got some size 1 nuks and LO took it straight away smile Seemed to calm her v well so am pleased, she did look a bit funny with one in tho! DD1 never had one so it's all new to me

PetiteRaleuse Sun 10-Mar-13 21:16:43

There was chafing too. Ow. Jumped in the pool every evening then drank the pain away.

horseylady Sun 10-Mar-13 21:32:18

Here, just been busy! Not really caught up either, sorry!!

Did my ride. I can still walk thank you!! Just need to get both me and the horse fitter!! It'll not take too much work. She's just great!! So lovely. It was great being out and competitive. Dh enjoyed looking ds which was good. Oh and I really need to lose some weight/tone up. I do not like my body ATM. Guess you can't do everything!!

Had an ok Mother's Day been out for dinner. Got a card and some half dead flowers.

TheDetective Sun 10-Mar-13 21:32:19

Would it be okay to make DP sleep in the shed?!

I am so fucking cross. You can see the steam shooting out my ears.

He's a fucking idiot. Everyone makes mistakes. He just makes about 50 x more than your average person.

He has brains, but zero common sense, zero memory, and zero spacial awareness/observational skills.

Happy mothersfucking day to me. angry

Passmethecrisps Sun 10-Mar-13 21:40:37

detective maybe his brains squeezed out his common sense?

PetiteRaleuse Sun 10-Mar-13 21:47:16

No it wouldn't be OK Detective make him sleep in the garden. Shed is too good grin Sorry you've had a shit day your bad run of luck with cars must be coming to an end.

Night all.

Passmethecrisps Sun 10-Mar-13 21:49:16

Can I just say that I thought the 'things to look forward to' posts were a wonderful way to start this thread. There were so many lovely posts - I became quite emotional.

There are so many on this quiche who have such a lot to cope with Oman daily basis and yet push on through. Between the health of babies and DP's, loss of loved ones, relationship problems, work and study problems and on and on I am amazed on a daily basis.

I am really aware that I post a lot of nonsense and while I read everyone's posts I don't always pick up on everything. I know that the thread would become pretty tedious if everyone commented on every single post but I feel bad for missing the stuff that really matters.

Here I am armed with thanks, brew, biscuit, and wine

Sophiathesnowfairy Sun 10-Mar-13 21:55:22

Yep detective shed for mrdetective .

Izzybuzzybuzzybees Sun 10-Mar-13 22:15:33

Well I have a sleeping baby so will be heading to bed soon.

I've done some sleep reading but haven't found a magical cure yet either. He won't go in crib til 10/11 when I go to bed so can't even put him up earlier. I just don't know what to do. I'm considering a bottle of formula to try and knock him out but I just can't see it working either and seems pointless to me. I'd then need to sterilise things and spend money! But I need to sleep. He doesn't nap and I just don't know what to do :-( I coud honestly cry every time I hear him stir. Plus my phone is broken so I can't even MN at feeding time!

Kyzordz Sun 10-Mar-13 22:17:54

I second what pass says what a lovely post pass I'm not as wrapped up in my own stuff as it probably seems its just so hard to catch up with every post all the while! I do luffs you all though! I forgot to write owt nice at the beginning of the thread, I don't have any other dc's but I can't wait until eric finds something really funny and does that infectious laugh. A laughing baby will always make me smile, I find the sound overwhelming and so good for the soul. I can't wait until he eats a meal and thoroughly enjoys it. I can't wait until he holds his arms out for me to pick him up. There's so much to look forward to! If you blink, you miss it, so let's make sure we don't miss a thing eh?

What day is Monday? Do we have a theme for Monday's?

barefootwalker Sun 10-Mar-13 22:18:21

Just read the bumbo safety article - thanks PR. "Do not us in place of a car seat", what? Who actually did this? Some people have no common sense.

barefootwalker Sun 10-Mar-13 22:18:45


BigPigLittlePig Sun 10-Mar-13 22:19:51

Izzy does he sleep better in bed with you? Would that work for the short term? I was always a bit anti-cosleeping, but when I've been exhausted, or when dd has been poorly/refluxy, it has saved my bacon as she sleeps so much better (2 six hours stints last night, for example). Just a thought. Sleep deprivation does suck though, and you're definitely not alone in lying there in the dark close to tears, despairing, as LO stirs yet again thanks

In other news, just been outbid by five fucking pennies on a nursing bra (30F if you please <smug>) on ebay. Cross.com

TheDetective Sun 10-Mar-13 22:21:27

Same here pass it would be impossible to reply to everything. I think we all understand that! I wish I could/had time. But we don't. Not with little babies and busy lives too!

I'm still seething. I just can't believe what he did. I mean, really? Is ANYONE so stupid? Just grateful no damage on other -twatting fucking inconsiderate cunts-- car. My mum can never find out about this. She will go apeshit, and find yet another reason why DP is a useless fucker who I should leave. Poor mum. I think I stress her out more than DP stresses me!

So far since my maternity leave our cars have:

Had the water pump go - so that needed replacing and the cambelt at same time as due so may as well be done. (My car)

Had 2 new tyres and one puncture repair. (DP's car)

Someone reversed in to car damaging bumper. (My car)

Had a leak making the car go moldy. (My car)

Had the drivers door lock snap, the rear drivers door seal fell off, plus the lock failed on the inside. The reverse light broke, meaning a new switch somewhere (common fault in skodas apparently). The headlight had some sort of problem. And then there was a leak so there was a swamp in the footwells. hmm (DP's car)

Battery died (only 18 months old) after DP left lights on. Car refused to charge up properly after that. (DP's car. Of course)

Coil pack and spark plugs went causing misfire. (My car)

Failed MOT needing a coil spring replacing, headlight adjusting and bonnet catch adjusting. (My car)

And now this. DP's cracked the fucking rear bumper. It's not even repairable. Totally obvious. RAAAAAAAAAAH.

I'd like to point out that before my maternity leave very little had gone wrong. In 3 years all I'd needed was a 3 new tyres, and a sensor replacing on the water temp thingy. DP's car had a new battery and alternator.

That was it.

Fucking fucksake.

Why is it all when you can least afford it? sad

BigPigLittlePig Sun 10-Mar-13 22:23:14

Kyz it was moany Monday for 1 week...am up for a change to something more positive though!

Merrymaking Monday?
Magical Monday too sappy?
Mirthful Monday - all post something that's made us laugh?

Tell me to shut up if I'm being a twat.

TheDetective Sun 10-Mar-13 22:23:25

That is in just 4 fucking months!!

TheDetective Sun 10-Mar-13 22:24:05

Can I have miracle monday please? Where only good shit happens?!

I'm not convinced. Every day feels shit at the moment. I need some serious cheering up.

MissMummy1 Sun 10-Mar-13 22:24:22

DP has been demoted to the spare room and I am sharing my bed with a squirmy, whinging sleep dodger. I NEED sleep tonight, I cannot cope with another night like last night (she did 10 mins asleep on me...) sad

BigPigLittlePig Sun 10-Mar-13 22:24:46

detective may prefer to stick to moany Monday? grin she has good reason though

ValiumQueen Sun 10-Mar-13 22:25:14

izzy bottle made no difference here, and the general consensus on the thread was that it would not make a difference. Sorry. Hope you have a better night tonight x

I think me and DP are over. I have asked him to leave sad

TheDetective Sun 10-Mar-13 22:30:28

I would like 8 hours sleep tonight. I should really go to bed now. Really. It's the first time I've had time to myself all day though, and I'd really just like to veg for half an hour first.

I'd love a lovely massage. Nice and de-stressing. Ain't gonna happen. So i'll just keep on dreaming.

I'd go and have a lush bath, except it isn't a good idea with a raw bit in my fanjo really. hmm

O has been miserable most of the day. He's had 5 x 3oz bottles. Usually he only has 4 in the day now. And then one or two overnight. But then 15oz, it's hardly a lot is it?

Do I go back to the GP tomorrow? I'm not sure. I've given the Losec MUPS tonight, so maybe I should see what tomorrow brings and take him tuesday if no change?

TheDetective Sun 10-Mar-13 22:30:55

Apple sad

Do you need to talk?

BigPigLittlePig Sun 10-Mar-13 22:32:49

thanks and wine and a big handhold for apple

Izzybuzzybuzzybees Sun 10-Mar-13 22:34:03

BPLP co sleeping doesn't really work for us. I've tried it at my most desperate but I think he feeds more if that's possible as he is so near the milk making machine! Also I have pelvic floor probs and pee every 1-2 hrs and disturb him to get up to loo soo it's not really ideal.

Last thing I can think if is to try the big cot but I feel he is too young still and can't see it magically making a difference. At least when he's in crib he is near me for night feeds as opposed to being in a different room.

I feel like its punishment for having DD sleep through at 6 fecking weeks!

If it was one night feed or wakening I could cope but it's getting to the ridiculous now :-(

Anyway on that note I'm going to attempt to go to bed. I need a whole threads worth of sleepy dust.

BigPigLittlePig Sun 10-Mar-13 22:36:10

Then I'm all out of big ideas izzy - but you have nothing to lose in trying a bottle of formula at night. At least if you try that, you know you have tried all the options, and you never know, it might help, even if only in the short term. Good luck.

I never thought this would happen to me. We've been together ten years now split as soon as DS comes along. He will blame himself when he's older. I'm such a fuck up.

LuisGarcia Sun 10-Mar-13 22:41:14
LuisGarcia Sun 10-Mar-13 22:41:47

that was supposed to be a hug

Passmethecrisps Sun 10-Mar-13 22:42:32

I am sorry apple. Do you have someone with you?

Elizadoesdolittle Sun 10-Mar-13 22:43:31

blonder seems like we have a lot in common. Good job you don't live near me otherwise I'd start stalking you smile all the best for tomorrow. Keep us updated. Sending fatty thoughts your way.

detective I'm up for a miracle Monday. I need it to help me get the fuck out of here!

I have to say one of the positive things I can take away from being in hospital is that I've had the time to follow and post on this thread properly. I've loved hearing all your stories and listening to your opinions and advice. When I do get out I know I won't have as much time to follow and post but I will always keep as up to date as i can even if it's just a skim read before I go to bed. I'd miss you all if I didn't.

No he's still here. I'm sitting here sobbing with DS on my lap

Elizadoesdolittle Sun 10-Mar-13 22:46:57

Oh apple crossed posts. hmmhmm You don't need me to tell you having a baby is such a life changing thing and very sadly some couples just can't work through it. Big hugs.

TheDetective Sun 10-Mar-13 22:46:58

How on earth do you think you are a fuck up! You are not at all!

Please do not blame yourself. You must have good reason to ask him to leave. How is that your fault?

TheDetective Sun 10-Mar-13 22:48:59

I know how you must be feeling when I went through the same when O was 6 weeks. I know you will be feeling sick to the bottom of your stomach, all those emotions and feelings going round, questions about the future etc.

But right now, none of that matters. Just you and your baby. DP is a grown man, it is down to him to deal with the situation now.

Stay strong, and remember, you have a massive quiche to catch your back. smile

daisychain76 Sun 10-Mar-13 23:02:32

Oh apple take care. I know everyone here will be thinking of you.

Happy birthday tits, get well soon yw, hello luis and just and happy mother‘s day everyone.

izzy on the sleeping front l think with some babies it is just time. H is only now going a bit longer at 24 weeks tomorrow. l do think a 10 minute massage at bedtime helps though.

kirrinIsland Sun 10-Mar-13 23:18:08

flowers apple Have you got some support? There's always a few of us up through the night if you need us.

izzy fingers crossed for some sleep tonight xx

kirrinIsland Sun 10-Mar-13 23:21:20

And for you too missm - sorry, I have a brain like a sieve always right now.

Contradictionincarnate Sun 10-Mar-13 23:45:24

sorry to hear that apple
hope you are ok...

Contradictionincarnate Mon 11-Mar-13 00:22:48

hope everyone else is asleep particularly those who haven't had a full night ever or more than a few hours ...

kirrinIsland Mon 11-Mar-13 00:34:23

First feed.......

PurplePidjin Mon 11-Mar-13 01:28:51

Det angry
Apple thanks

barefootwalker Mon 11-Mar-13 01:49:27

thanks apple. I hope you have some good RL support at hand. Don't blame yourself.

Mm - I hope your sleep dodger is failing to dodge sleep tonight.

Izzy - we give a supplemental bottle of formula last thing at night (started at 10 days old and we've never managed to drop it) but I'm not sure how much of an effect it ha on G sleeping. We started giving it just for extra calories because of slow weight gain early on but I've recently noticed that when she wakes for her next feed bears no relevance to how much I that bottle she took the night before. We had to move her into her cot bed in her own room at the beginning of last week (on the day she was 15 weeks old) younger than we'd have liked. But it has made a HUGE difference to her sleep. We've gone from waking every 3/4 hours to her sleeping between 6-8 hours now.

Detective - go for it with moany Monday, at least for this week anyway.

YellowWellies Mon 11-Mar-13 02:09:05

Don't know if this is the issue with you guys Izzy and MM when my niece had such crazily erratic sleep / constant wakefulness it was linked to a food intolerance. Her Mum has to avoid dairy due to CMPI but found soy made her baby sleep in hour long chunks. Could it be an intolerance? Babies need more sleep than you're describing so there might be a medical reason? Just a thought from the house of the dietarily damned. brew and matchsticks and sleepy dust koshes.

ValiumQueen Mon 11-Mar-13 02:09:18

Oh apple big big hug x you are not a fuck up either. I do not know what has happened, but a ten year relationship is not just thrown away. I do hope with a bit of time, and possibly space, you guys will be able to work things out x babies do put a strain on even the strongest relationships and it is nobodys fault. It is a major change and a pretty stressful one at that. Thinking of you, and share here if it helps x

J slept 4 hours and I think was woken by DD2. He seems so small tonight in his big cot. He is a big fat lump, but I am reminded of how young he is. I am not sure I like going all night without seeing him, daft as that sounds. He is my last baby and I really must try treasuring moments again.

YellowWellies Mon 11-Mar-13 02:10:04

oh apple thanks so sorry sad

Contradictionincarnate Mon 11-Mar-13 02:38:14

woken by the cat! grrrrrrangry angry angry

sweetpea1112 Mon 11-Mar-13 02:56:44

Oh apple I'm so sorry to hear that. Having a baby puts such a strain on relationships. Please make sure you are looking after yourself thanks

Second wake up here. 4 hours then 3. It's no 9 hours, but back to our normal so I'm happy with that.

kirrinIsland Mon 11-Mar-13 03:44:55

Ooh contra - I'd be swinging for that cat!

Third wake up here. The second one was only 45 minutes ago sad
She doesn't seem to be in any discomfort - she just wakes up. It seems to be more to do with not being able to settle herself back to sleep - although she has done before now, just not very often. But I can tell straight away now if there's no chance of her doing it, and if I leave her a bit she ramps up to full on crying pretty quickly. I don't know how to help her, I'm just hoping she'll maybe find her thumb soon or something like that. PUPD didn't work - she just roots and then gets upset.

Lilliana Mon 11-Mar-13 03:45:04

5 hours yay!!! She was a problem to get to bed but seems to have helped her sleep.

Apple I'm so sorry. Lots of hugs and we're here to support you anytime xxx

Izzy moving l into her cot make a massive difference to her sleep. We we're down to about half an hour before and after the move started doing 2/3hours. Not amazing but workable. We we're lucky though that we could fit the cot in our room (however i can no longer get out of bed in a conventional manner!)

Sweet glad sleep is improving.

MM and others with sleep dodgers hope you are all ok and sleep

L has just thrown up all down my neck and back. Lovely

kirrinIsland Mon 11-Mar-13 04:52:24

Well done minililliana smile

Wake up four sad I'd love to say this is a shit night but actually this is a normal night. Four months tomorrow - is it about to get worse? shock

kirrinIsland Mon 11-Mar-13 05:50:39

Bugger, I just knocked my phone off the bedside table and now it appears to be dead - grrrr

Wake up 5

Lily311 Mon 11-Mar-13 07:08:55


Huge hugs Apple.

I am starting to think that O has silent reflux. She screams a lot and nearly impossible to calm her down. She eats constantly and cries out often arching her back. I thought she was a velcro baby but the screaming is getting worst. Shall I take her to gp? She also only sleeps for 20 min during the day a couple of times a day and wants milk as soon as she is up regardless when the last feed was.

PetiteRaleuse Mon 11-Mar-13 07:09:41

Apple thanks and (((hugs))) there's always one of us hanging around the thread if you need to talk.

I'm knackered. Project getting DD1 into her own bed starts at the end of the month. I can't co-sleep anymore, as much as I would love to have some snuggly memories of LO, I'm just not doing it.

At the end lf the month she finishes nursery. Everything needs to change from then on, little by little, otherwise I'll not have the energy to look after them both full time. Was woken several times during the night by being kicked in the back.

Sophiathesnowfairy Mon 11-Mar-13 07:14:35

apple big hugs. I hoe somehow you can patch things up. As vq said new babies put a lot of strain on a relationship but if you can hobble through any which way then you coud come out of the other end stronger. I hope you have some RL support. thanks

Contradictionincarnate Mon 11-Mar-13 07:30:04

now woken by dh thumping about and slamming doors ... dd still asleep since 12.30!

Contradictionincarnate Mon 11-Mar-13 07:34:52

my friend who was in labour been texting updates last one from a few hours ago says ... fully dilated and about to push in 40 mins.
its weird to be texting all these updates...?
I didn't even tell anyone I was in labour though.
and if she is dilated why the wait anyone else have to do that? think my body started pushing on its own accord at the end of stage 1 but I wasn't fully dilated yet. what I mean is there is no set time to things!

PetiteRaleuse Mon 11-Mar-13 07:39:48

Tis the social media age, some people feel the need to share absolutely everything. There again it could be just giving her something else to focus on to keep her pind off what is going on. Each to their own. I'd have switched my phone off overnight though. Wouldn't be wanting texts all night updating me on anyone.s labour.

MissMummy1 Mon 11-Mar-13 07:48:47

Oh apple thanks Babies put so much pressure on even the strongest relationships. Ours wasnt the best to begin with and it shows. I hope whatever the outcome you have plenty of rl support, and we're all here to listen too thanks

M did 2x 1.5hr stints in her cot then slept 4 - 7 in with me. Amazing. I think DP must be disturbing her as she is often better when he's not here.

I have decided we need to get dp a cheap runabout as well when we buy a new car. If it only gets used the 1 week in the month we both need the car during the day then so be it. The selfish git expected me to wake sleeping baby at 6am and take him to work in the snow. When i asked him to wait 5 mins so i could change her he buggered off with the car and took himself to work shock angry . I am now waiting for him to bring it back "sometime before midday". Git. If he wants to be childish about it then the hire car is in MY name to be used while MY car is being assessed. I put him on the insurance as an act of courtesy, not because it is his given right to use it angry

Hope you all managed some sleep. At the risk of having you throw thinga at me, I feel worse after the small amount I had than when I had none sad

justonemorecake Mon 11-Mar-13 07:55:14

At that stage of labour I don't think I was been capable of holding a phone to send a text!

I was here most of the night but too tired to write anything. E started with a 3 hour stretch which gave me hope for a good night, but then she went back to waking every hour. Sorry to hear you had a bad night too kirrin

justonemorecake Mon 11-Mar-13 07:56:04

Oops *was capable, not was been!

Evilwater Mon 11-Mar-13 08:00:32

Hello ladies, hope you all had a good Mother's Day.
I got a new I pad! And I have to say yay! grin. I also had most of the afternoon off, thanks to MIL. However she was more tame yesterday but still angry, I said not to pick N up as he need to learn to go to sleep. So she picked him up, as she couldn't take it anymore! FFS. Story of her life.

Hopefully I'll try and catch up, but to those that are having a hard time thanks brew


ValiumQueen Mon 11-Mar-13 08:46:50

evil wins the best gift award - iPad AND time off you lucky bugger, along with a special award for thoughtfulness for garden (in my opinion) and kirrin wins the award for the best card from her DD1 (aww).

J has resorted to shit sleep again, waking three times. Not as bad as some of you I know, but we are meant to be past the sleep regression. Clearly he has a fondness for special time alone with mummy, but the reason for being so hard to settle the last time was sodding fucking buggering wind!

izzy I think boy needs to go in his cot in his room with his movement monitor. The fact the audio is not working may be a good thing as he will get a chance to self settle, but if he needs you he will make enough noise I am sure, unless you live in a castle. I think you need a change, even if it is not a rest. You could go cold turkey, like we did, or gradually introduce at naps. If you have a Ewan or mobile it will help with transition. I think as he is getting bigger it would be easier to do it sooner rather than later. Only my opinion, but I really do feel for you xxx

Contradictionincarnate Mon 11-Mar-13 08:59:10

dd is splattering milk all over me was thinking I wouldn't bother with the shower today! shock
this week was going to be the week I started getting dd up early to see if she will then go to bed earlier - in theory.
not sure I Have the strength can be bothered this morning! sad
she was up at 8 yesterday with dh whilst I had a lie in and still went to sleep at 12pm
with only a few v short naps in the day when she was exhausted! thought it may be a good idea to do whilst dh is away as we can go to bed early too!
my friend hasn't sent any further updates on her labour so now I'm worried! ... can't remember who said it but I wouldn't have been able to text either!!

Sophiathesnowfairy Mon 11-Mar-13 09:06:15

contra I don't know how she is holding alone either. After a horrendous birth with DS1 I asked not to push when I was fully dilated and to wait for the contractions to bring DS2 down without pushing, it worked I just breathed through them and he came out without and pushing at all really. They had said they would give me an hour till I had to push but he arrived 20 mins later or so. But each birth is different. Can vouch for that after having 4 very different births.

fairimum Mon 11-Mar-13 09:10:10

Does anyone have a maxicosi pebble?? do you like it?? our cabriofix was in the car when dh had a small accident (kids werent in the carbut the insurance have offered to replace cabrio with a pebble (think might need to argue if want a cabriofix), only downside i can see is the weight being slightly more - any other disadvantages? have you used both ? which would you choose and why?? need to make a decision today so any help much appreciated!

oh and Lucy is only just 9lb at 5 months bless her so new seat will get lots of use..

right off to finally (sorry) try and catch up with the thread!

Evilwater Mon 11-Mar-13 09:19:56

Apple- I'm so sorry. thanks
Detective- your car has been nothing but trouble. thanks
VQ- thanks for the win. smile

Oh I had my coil fitted on thurs, the dr said I was the most relaxed women she had ever seen. That's because I was shattered, I could have fallen asleep on the table. The poor nurse didn't know what to do.


Evilwater Mon 11-Mar-13 09:20:57

Fair- I think the pebble is a updated version. So I would have it, espally if the insurance are paying.


Elizadoesdolittle Mon 11-Mar-13 09:23:18

Hmmm I posted earlier but seems not to have worked! In a nut shell:

lily it could be silent reflux. Take her to the gp to get it checked at least. There is no reason for the poor poppet to suffer if it is.

apple how are you doing today my love? Thoughts are with you.

I accept my award, thanks VQ grin

Apple I hope you are ok, men are hard work.

detective you have had bad luck with a lot of stuff, hope it improves soon.

No plans here today. The bath and toilet are being replaced so have to stay in all day for that. Boring.

My cousins triplets are gaining weight nicely, the boys are at 3lb9 and the little girl at 3lb3. Still in NICU, have to gain more weight. Will put a pic on FB for you to have a look. They are teeny.

Skoggy Mon 11-Mar-13 09:29:47

Hmm... I really must start posting in here. My DD2 was born at the beginning of November. smile

Hi all! [wave]

Baby I is fantastic at the moment. Although she hasn't got a solid routine for feeds during the day (HV said that routines aren't always the best thing anyway), she sleeps from 8pm until anywhere from 6am to 8am. Solidly. She has her dreamfeed at 11pm. She still has a nap during the afternoon as well. Her big sister was just the same. They like sleeping as much as Mamma and Pappa do. Such a relief.

So, going on from the OP. I am looking forward to baby I holding her arms out for a pick-up / cuddle. Sitting up unassisted is something I'm looking forward to as well. Makes things a lot easier. I am also eagerly waiting for the day that she and DD1 can play with eachother. DD1 is only 20 mo herself, so they are very close in age.

Mothers Day for me might as well have been any ordinary day. My P (no point using "DP" at the moment sad ) didn't even wish me a happy day in the morning. No card, no gifts, not even a kiss ffs. sad angry He is a moody old g*t. I did, however, get a handmade card from DD1 as she spent Saturday with my Mum. And, the kindest act of all, a friend in Sweden put £10 in my paypal account because, and I quote, "No Mum should get nothing on Mother's Day". How fab is that!!!

ValiumQueen Mon 11-Mar-13 09:30:35

garden hope you have a spare toilet!

ValiumQueen Mon 11-Mar-13 09:31:30

contra is there anyone you could call? It seems strange after frequent updates to hear nothing, especially after the last text.

ValiumQueen Mon 11-Mar-13 09:32:52

Welcome skoggy

Sophiathesnowfairy Mon 11-Mar-13 09:46:41

fatima I would go with the pebble. Is the newer version.

Sophiathesnowfairy Mon 11-Mar-13 09:56:20

Welcome skoggy

Lilliana Mon 11-Mar-13 09:58:38

Well not a bad night! got another 2 hours after first feed so can't complain. Sorry kirren and cake and anyone else lacking sleep. I expect I'll be back to join you tonight.

Forgot to say what I had for mothers day- lovely card and hummingbird bakery book in the morning and a bunch of primroses L picked with my mum. All made my day. Then DH said he had also bought me an x box. Selfishly I was actually disappointed, I've never been into gaming and if he wanted to spend that sort of money I would have much preferred a more meaningful gift (like gardens envy) Anyway, feel like an ungrateful bitch for feeling that way as he was being thoughtful - his reason being he knows I'm missing all my dance classes due to bf and this was the next best thing he could think of.

Anyway I also had a long bath and DH cooked a yummy roast and L was smiley and lovely smile smile smile

Apple how are you today?

Welcome Skoggy

MissMummy1 Mon 11-Mar-13 10:14:08

yw how are you feeling today? If the snow is still bad tomorrow and you're still feeling yucky it might be an idea to postpone the haggis meet up. I have horrible memories of being stuck in the car overnight on the m8 in 2010 confused

BigPigLittlePig Mon 11-Mar-13 10:18:29

This morning, F has discovered that she can bounce herself in her doorway bouncer. She is delighted, and leaping around all over the place, huffing and puffing like an old bull. She slept like a champion as well - bed at 8, up at 3.30 and 6.30 for feeds, and up for tthe day at 9 due to poonami which smelt like bread??

apple hope you're ok this morning, we're here for you if you need us
izzy how was last night?
lilliana the xbox is a very man way of thinking, heart is clearly in the right place bless him - nothing technology can't fix, eh?

Will post on fb group for a southwest meet up - I'm looking at you madam, evil and, erm, there was someone else but I've forgotten who.

PetiteRaleuse Mon 11-Mar-13 10:30:14

Bastard colds. DD1 had one end of last week. Nt a bad one at all - no fever, just snotty, and this morning LO has it too. She is soooo fed up of saline drops and snot suckers. As am I. Have posted a pic of her eating carrots but am giving weaning another break for a few days til her nose is clear.

I need it to be sweary Monday.

daisychain76 Mon 11-Mar-13 10:39:10

Oh no pr. Colds are rotten cos they drag on and on. DS1 is off with a stomach bug today which means my main activity will be playing top trumps. Also means postphoning starting weaning for a day or two til all bugs have left the building.

Hope apple is ok.

H had amazing night last night ~ down 8.30, up for feed at 2, up for day 6.30. I know its all relative, but l‘ll take that!

kirrinIsland Mon 11-Mar-13 10:49:21

Thanks for my award VQ my card is up in the kitchen and I smile every time I walk past it smile

welcome skoggy smile

Glad you got some sleep lilliana and MM , and VQ hopefully last night was just a one off and J will go back to sleeping longer tonight.

It is freezing here and I've just walked to the doctors in a minor snow storm! Luckily it's stopped now and I get to sit and feed N and drink coffee while DP takes the dogs out.

rootypig Mon 11-Mar-13 10:53:27

Apple how are you today? garden has it right, men are hard work. and loving your baby means you want so much for them.... big hugs and I hope you have RL support. am happy to chat / listen on the phone if you need that, PM me xoxoxo

missmummy what a selfish git! angry sounds like you will need a runaround if you're not going to murder the twunt

skoggy welcome, am envy at your girls' sleep, share your secrets!

BPLP that sounds so cute! we are borrowing bouncer from friend, now I can't wait to try it

hugs to everyone else as another week begins. it's snowing here, huge fat flakes, and I'm sitting looking out at it as I pump. LO down for her first nap of the day and all is peaceful.

MissMummy1 Mon 11-Mar-13 11:07:15

rooty I worry that if we buy two cars he will claim the 'new car' as his and I'll end up with the small crappy runabout. Again. The same thing happened when I was commuting almost 1000 miles a week and he gave me the really unreliable death trap and kept the newer car for his walkable commute. I must sound so childish but it is definitely my turn for a new car angry

Contradictionincarnate Mon 11-Mar-13 11:08:25

skoggy welcome !
vq no one I can call sad. and still haven't heard anything she isn't a best mate we met in uni and sometimes only see each other a couple of times a year we have got closer since TTC though and lots of texts back and forth during her pregnancy!
may try fbooking her dp if I don't hear anything soon!

YellowWellies Mon 11-Mar-13 11:21:30

MM nope I'm still off colour (a lot better than I was but still definitely contagious) so I'm going to cry off the haggis meet up. It wouldn't be fair to share this lurgy! Don't feel you have to rearrange as I can make the next one. Equally if the weather stays this snowy I can understand if its postponed as Glasgow is a long drive for most folks and getting stuck so far from home might mean cacacaz has a lot of house guests!!! grin Just let us know what's decided.

As for the car issue I would suggest that the newest, safest car goes to whoever drives Tilly around most often I.e. you - there is no way he can argue against that logic without being an entirely selfish twunt.

rootypig Mon 11-Mar-13 11:21:55

missmummy you don't sound childish at all, you sound justifiably hurt and pissed off by him putting himself first all the time. which men are generally so good at, sorry Luis. can you insist you are insured on one and he the other? would the costs be better that way? some sort of trickery that leaves him no choice

MissMummy1 Mon 11-Mar-13 11:22:10

Contra I managed to keep a live update going on this thread with a bit of help from dp as a form of distraction until just before I hit the pushing stage. At which point I totally lost it! I also enjoyed my first few hours with M and DP before reconnecting with the outside world. Could your friend be doing something similar??

Contradictionincarnate Mon 11-Mar-13 11:25:02

in other news dd has just woken up so 12-11 with feed at 7.30 wonder what will happen with dh away and not here to wake her! If only she would do 9-8 or something? but she is only 14 wks tommorow and I think I have to enjoy these going back to bed sessions while I can ... also means dh gets to spend plenty of fun time with dd in the evenings.

MissMummy1 Mon 11-Mar-13 11:25:48

No probs at all yw - sending lots of get well hugs your way. x If vq pass and cacacaz (and anyone i have missed blush ) are still keen I will go assuming there is no more snow!

rooty and yw this is my logic. Now we have Tilly he might see sense I should have the main car. Buying a second would just be a luxury to benefit him and him alone. I might suggest he buys a mountain bike instead. Or a small van. Something totally impractical for M and I to use!

TooManyDicksOnTheDancefloor Mon 11-Mar-13 11:26:10

Morning all.

Firstly, hugs to apple, I hope you are ok. As everyone has said, we are here to talk if you need to thanks

contra- my DH tweeted and facebooked all the way through my labour. It was a Homebirth so I had the constant attention of two midwifes and he had nothing to do (his excuse). He announced I was fully dilated at 12 noon then didn't update again until 7.30pm. This was because I ended up in hospital having an emergency section. All was well but everyone was worried. My best friend isn't on Facebook and he forgot to text her until the next evening, she was beside herself, thought something terrible had happened. I'm sure your friend is fine, when her baby was born I'm sure Facebook became very unimportant to her.

I've just taken B for her second jabs in the freezing snow. I really hate jabs hmm

Bloody hell, I'm finding it hard to keep up.

We've had a nice weekend. M has turned in to a none napping baby unless she's in the car.

What's happening with the northern meet up on Weds?

<off to catch up>

Contradictionincarnate Mon 11-Mar-13 11:32:37

I was hoping that toomany it wasn't face book though was a personal text sad
will give it another few hours before I genuinely get worried!

sweetpea1112 Mon 11-Mar-13 11:37:31

Morning all

Sounds like there were some better nights last night. Long may it continue smile

Our night was ok, a 4 hour first stretch and two more feeds before up for the day at 8 (Oscar that is, I was up at 6 having hardly slept)

Hope you are ok apple

So, I told DP today that I think my depression is back. He asked me what I thought would help so I said more sleep and eating properly. He has offered to do all night feeds for as long as I need to catch up on sleep to see if that helps. Whilst working full time. Bless him.

We discussed it and although I feel terribly guilty about it and a failure as a mother, I have agreed to let him do the night feeds this week so see how I feel.

Like I said, I feel so guilty about this and like I am abandoning my baby. I know I need to get better and that it is in everyone's best interest, but its still not easy to accept.

Passmethecrisps Mon 11-Mar-13 12:02:32

Good mornings.

lilly it could be reflux. How does she smell? Seems a weird question but this was a key symptom for P. she reeked of stomach acid all the time - she actually made me gag her breath smelled so bad. Unlike most reflu babies P is ok on her back most of the time. Occassionally it is a problem but not often.

contra my sister texted all the way through her labour and then didn't text for a full 12 hours after the baby was born. Made me worry considering the half hourly updates but all was well - she was just busy.

Sounds like you had a nice day lilliana. I would also have been a wee but hmm about getting a games console - and I really like games! The thinking behind it is lovely though.

Aw fairi your LO is a wee dinky!

Welcome skoggi

I would love to see pics of the triplets garden.

P has started making this utterly horrendous high pitched squeal. Usually it is when she is tired but sometimes she just does it for entertainment. She was doing it yesterday when DH was trying to put her in the car seat. He was trying not to wake me up and had bee trying for 20 minutes when I eventually came down. Is it at all possible to stop her doing this? It is completely ear piercing. I know it is probably just a phase she is going through and it will stop as soon as if has started but if there is any way of encouraging her not to do it I would be most grateful.

Passmethecrisps Mon 11-Mar-13 12:17:06

sweet sorry about the cross post. That was a really brave move and one that should really help I am sure. I do empathise with your feelings about being a failure for not doing the night feeds but it is simply not the case. As parents we have a repsonsibility to do the best we can by our children - this means taking care of our health and wellbeing. He is obviously worried about you and keen to do whatever he can to make things better for you. Let him do this.

kissyfur Mon 11-Mar-13 12:19:07

Stooopid app just lost my post again! Rah

In summary, sorry to all having a hard time.

MM your DP is taking the piss with his selfish behaviour no? Can't believe some of the stuff he has done.

Snow here so no Playgroup for DD1. LO being a pickle again and not feeding v well sad

BigPigLittlePig Mon 11-Mar-13 12:33:14

sweetpea do what you need to do to get yourself better - it's brilliant that your dh is able to help out in that way, and as you say, it may be that if you can get on top of your sleep, you will be in a better place to deal with the depression.

mm dh is obsessed with getting a moped (wtf!? he's 28 not 18) but I have to remind him that there is no moped I'm aware of which he can pick F up from the childminder on.

I'm cooking venison stew. I had high hopes for it but it smells revolting at the moment. Hoping it saves itself and becomes yummy, because it's turning my stomach currently.

ValiumQueen Mon 11-Mar-13 12:36:27

mm as YW says, whoever has baby has best car. Simple.

sweetpea hopefully sleep will sort it, but if not, see your GP. Being a mummy is one long guilt trip, but this is something you should not feel bad about x

Contradictionincarnate Mon 11-Mar-13 12:45:34

it is truly miracle Monday for me ...my friends baby has arrived by c section as he was too big to deliver naturally at 7lbs 14 ...you can imagine how tiny my friend is! can't wait for a cuddle now! smile

PurplePidjin Mon 11-Mar-13 12:52:04

Massage + rhyme time = zonked out baby on my chest grin

He's got a dry, sore looking patch at the base of his willy. Could it be nappy rash? Should i metanium it or just give it an airing every time i change him?

daisychain76 Mon 11-Mar-13 13:08:13

Lovely news contra. Pidj l would use the cream and lots of airing. I think nappy rash is something you have to nip in the bud.

Sweetpea my dh always gives H a bottle at night. It gives them some quiet time together and is a tiny speck compared to the avalanche that is motherhood!

daisychain76 Mon 11-Mar-13 13:11:10

Meant to say pass can‘t think of anything except distraction techniques to try and stop the squealing. Perhaps she‘s destined to be an opera singer?!

3 posts in 1 day ~ can you tell l‘m stuck at home. Back to top trumps....

kirrinIsland Mon 11-Mar-13 13:13:29

sweetpea you need to take care of yourself as well as O, having DP do some night feeds is not failing. O has 2 parents and one of them needs some help right now. Sleep deprivation is awful and can definitely have a detrimental affect on you.

Congrats to your friend contra

mm we do the whoever has the girls has the best car thing - it works for me us.

Just off to see if I can get my phone fixed, bloody thing.

PetiteRaleuse Mon 11-Mar-13 13:19:06

Just spent over 200 euros on stuff for the pets - food, flea and tick repellant, a DAP collar for the dog as the bitch across the way is on heat. At the weekend spent a fortune online buying stuff for the DDs. I don't begrudge them anything - am happy to buy them all what they want if I can afford it. But there's nothing left over for me. And I want to get my hair done, and a few beauty treatments, and some clothes that fit, and maybe a book or two.

And sometimes I wonder when there will be some money spare for me.

TheDetective Mon 11-Mar-13 13:26:14

Afternoon smile

Not too bad last night, he fell asleep at MIL's at 7, I woke him at 8 but he was having none of it, so when we got home at 9, I woke him for a feed and put him down. He slept til 3.30 which is amazing considering previous nights! But then he wouldn't go back in the cot, so he slept with me til 8. DP took him on the school run, so I lazed in bed a while longer. grin

He's still unputdownable, tbh, worse than ever. Currently sleeping, I'm hoping he has at least an hour! If someone put me down for a nap, they'd never see me again! grin

Apple How are things today?

pidj I'd be tempted to try something like oilatum on it. I found metanium just stuck to everything, so dry patches were made worse. The thing that got rid of it completely though was thrush cream.

When I was in labour, there was no way I could update anyone. Except the entire labour ward, with my roaring grin. I had the urge to push at 3cm!! I couldn't stop it even if I tried! The Reg tried to take the entonox off me and told me to push. I distinctly remember telling her to fuck off, I was pushing, and couldn't bloody stop pushing, and the entonox was making fuck all difference to the pushing, it was the only thing stopping me from ripping my own uterus out. blush

Sweet I think that sounds like a good plan. It might not need to be for long, or every night. But you need a break too. Remember having a baby is far more than a full time job, its a 24/7 job. You need to take time out too.

DP had O this morning so I could have a bit of a lie in, as I didn't get one on mothers day. At 9.30 when he got home, he bought O to me, so he could go to the toilet as he wouldn't be put down. I reminded him that I had to take O in the toilet with me in the same scenario. He just didn't think. He has hardly had O alone when he has been at home. Welcome to my days huh! He is currently out at his friends 'picking an xbox controller up'. I'll see him in 3 hours then. hmm

Fatima Meet still on! There is you, me, shelly daisy , and cat toomany and pikz* were thinking about it?

TheDetective Mon 11-Mar-13 13:26:37

Fucking thing stole my commas!

TheDetective Mon 11-Mar-13 13:33:06

Same PR. My hair desperately needs doing, it looks terrible. But I can't afford it. The only good thing about the fact I can't afford it is that I can't have it done anyway! Not a good idea to go dyeing hair that is rapidly falling out. Need to wait for it to stop anyway!

I also would like a massage.


On the other hand, I enjoy buying new second hand things for the children so that makes me feel better.

BigPigLittlePig Mon 11-Mar-13 13:34:15

I love creme eggs. In between dreaming about preparing purees, I dreamt my front tooth fell out (it was an inch long and curved). Perhaps I should ease up on the chocolate.

Izzybuzzybuzzybees Mon 11-Mar-13 13:36:41

Cant remember who asked but the night was bad and good with J.

Good = he had one feed after going down at 10.30 he fed at 2.15 til 3am then was put down in crib.

Bad = he slept from 3am til 3.45am then was awake and upset. I tried cuddling him and putting him back down. Tried holding his hand through the crib bars which is downright awkward, he settled for 30 mins with me doing that and then was annoyed again. Then he went to full blown annoyance and so at 5.30am he ended up in our bed, all comfy and happy to go the fuck to sleep!!

I honestly can't deal with this. Lack of sleep puts me at risk of illness and as I'm off the phrophylactic meds it's important I do sleep!

I think your right vq that we need to maybe try the big cot. I can't think of anything else we could try.

James is feeding just now and once that's done I'm going to go up and attack his room and tidy it out so he can try there tonight.

Any tips? For tidying and for getting him to sleep there!?!

PetiteRaleuse Mon 11-Mar-13 13:41:33

I love buying things for the children too. But would love to spend some money on myself. Plus we have several house things nearing the end of their lives. Like the washing machine, the iron (which was a £9 thing from Argos 15 years ago and has only lasted this long as I use it so rarely), the food processor as most of the parts are knackered and can't be replaced as it is so old, and my bed frame which is falling apart ( wink ) etc etc. And I can't get excited about replacing any of them as the replacement is just postponing me getting stuff for me. Grrr.

Maybe I should go back to work.

sweetpea1112 Mon 11-Mar-13 13:42:12

izzy to help him settle can you use any of the same sheets you have been using? Maybe something that smells of you? Not sure if you have been using Ewan at any point, but could work?

Sometimes O settles better with a night light.

rootypig Mon 11-Mar-13 13:42:27

Izzy what worked for us getting S into her cot (from co sleeping) was only using it for sleep, literally nothing else, not even a for a second! (read DH the riot act on this), and getting her used to it for day time naps, which she always fusses less for than going down at night. that and being consistent with the bedtime routine (mainly the bath before bed) and she now self settles in there. She defo recognises it as her sleep place. HTH.

Tidying, dunno grin

PetiteRaleuse Mon 11-Mar-13 13:45:13

LO sleeps much better in the big cot, as did DD1. They both like to sleep arms outstretched. Which is why co-sleeping with DD1 since we moved is such a bloody nightmare. I put LO down in the crib of her pram from time to time but she finds it much harder to settle in there.

Do I have the only baby in the world who won't sleep in the car btw? She's not sick, just stretches her neck out like a turtle to try and look out at the world. DREADING the drove to England in June.

Contradictionincarnate Mon 11-Mar-13 13:46:18

sweet I agree no need for guilt I had thoughts that maybe I hadn't bonded with dd when she was younger as I was all too happy to pass to dh when he got in now I am very happy ...he doesn't do night feeds once she eventually goes down most nights she stays there but he would if I needed it.
I need help does anyone have electric sterilizer ? how do you descale? looked online and they said boots own do a fluid but its not online and I couldn't find it in the shops sad
also I bought an expensive dress for the wedding I'm going too next month! 50 quid - quite a lot for me! I fit in it at the mo but big pot is sticking out!! I have 5 weeks to loose it ... sad
no more chocs(less chocs be good! I binge eat them terribly).
any other tips ... attempted to go to my zimba class last Wed but it simply wasn't there! hope its there this week!

PetiteRaleuse Mon 11-Mar-13 13:48:17

contra vinegar works best on mine. Two empty sessions with vinegar then two three with water to try and get rid of the smell.

TheDetective Mon 11-Mar-13 13:48:34

Oh bugger! We did the opposite rooty we put him in the cot to watch his mobile when we are having a shit otherwise occupied.

I have found that his sleep is no different whatsoever whether he is in the moses basket or the cot. I just prefer him being in the cot now as I can get in and out of bed. Our room was very cramped with the basket in. I do miss him being next to me though...

When I went to put him in it last night, the moses basket was in the cot, as someone me had left it there. So I put him in it, and figured he could sleep in it inside the cot as I couldn't move it without waking him! Well, he woke the second I put him in it, and got a right cob on! So I lifted him out, took the basket out, put him in the cot, and he went out like a light!

Contradictionincarnate Mon 11-Mar-13 13:50:49

petite what type of vinegar? I have red wine that's all ...but must admit I didn't think of that!

TheDetective Mon 11-Mar-13 13:50:49

I just scrub mine out tbh!

Though you can get tablets and stuff for it, I've seen them in Asda and Boots.

White vinegar would work too.

TheDetective Mon 11-Mar-13 13:51:38

PR Yes, same in this house, loads of stuff needs replacing or repairing. I can't keep up with it any more sad

sweetpea1112 Mon 11-Mar-13 13:51:53

Thanks ladies thanks I know it is the right thing to do for my health but the mummy - guilt is awful.

O loves to sleep with his arms outstretched. He wakes himself up a lot less in his cot. In his basket he was constantly bashing himself against the sides.

Contradictionincarnate Mon 11-Mar-13 13:54:54

hoping dd will stay asleep and have a nap for one of the first times in her life so I can eat ...veggie Cornish pasty dh made that made my ibs flare up last time I think!
one way to loose weight quickly though

rootypig Mon 11-Mar-13 13:56:13

ooh Oust is bloody amazing for descaling, dunno how much ££ it is though, I got given some. we live in the hardest water area, it's nuts, I descale the shower and kettle once a month shock

PetiteRaleuse Mon 11-Mar-13 13:57:50

White cheap vinegar.

Right, have seen on another thread that I was one of the ten people on MN who posted the most last week. Am ashamed of self and vow to cut down.

LuisGarcia Mon 11-Mar-13 13:58:16

Can anyone help wellieboots with any useful advice or support?


YellowWellies Mon 11-Mar-13 14:01:04

contra a pair of spanx or a belvia body suit will sort out a pot belly / clingy dress situation nay bother as a temporary cover up. Long term I'd recommend walking as much as possible?

TheDetective Mon 11-Mar-13 14:02:45

Where is that thread PR?!

Fucking DP is an idiot. He was taking DVD's and games to CEX. Well, he's made £22 in cash, but then DS1's stuff he took the trade in value, which was £73. Cash would have been about £60! IDIOT. We need the fucking money. angry

I'm losing my patience with him now. Twat.

So now he is going to come home with £73 worth of computer games, when DS has just got over £100 worth of games for his birthday.

TooManyDicksOnTheDancefloor Mon 11-Mar-13 14:09:41

B has produced three foul smelling nappies today full of white blobs and stringy mucus. It's quite a bright yellow/ green, does anyone know what could be causing it? She hasn't got a cold, she's not overly happy today but she had her jabs this morning so she wouldn't be anyway.

contra I've been recommended Pilates rather than sit ups for toning up. My belly is wobbly too. I have a belvia body suit thingy if you want to borrow it, I won it in a mumsnet competition when pg and haven't used it. Not sure if I will

Contradictionincarnate Mon 11-Mar-13 14:18:52

was considering spanx but unsure will Have to wear a strapless bra and want my boobs to look fab!
thanks for the offer *Fatima

Contradictionincarnate Mon 11-Mar-13 14:24:08

whoops didn't mean to post that so soon crying baby will come back later!!

Catbag Mon 11-Mar-13 14:46:29

contra shaping underwear is your friend, as a short term solution to the dress problem smile

ValiumQueen Mon 11-Mar-13 15:04:45

I would need scaffolding.

pp J has a similar patch on his leg. Metanium just dries it out. I am going to try canesten when I can find it. I am wondering if it is anything to do with the cloth nappies. I will strip was them.

How are you today cat?

TheDetective Mon 11-Mar-13 15:34:45

O has been asleep since 1. Alternating between my arms and the swing. My arms mostly. hmm

I have pins and needles in one arm. Gah!

We tried water in sippy cups today. A huge success with DT2, she was able to hold the cup, get the spout to her mouth and tip the cup upwards, I was amazed. DT1 was not so quick off the mark, she preferred for me to hold the cup for her then make disgusted faces when she tasted the water. They have had water many times before so I don't know what was with the silly faces she pulled. DT2 pulled faces like "yeah, fecking check me out, I'm doing it!"

I got them the cheap Tommee Tippee ones, I have had many many different types of sippy cups in this house, the TT are by far the best and the cheapest IMO.

ValiumQueen Mon 11-Mar-13 15:56:26

I also have a baby asleep on my lap. His wind is beyond a joke today. Today I think he has reflux again, but he does not. I have not eaten anything different. He has screamed in pain every time I have put him down and he is beyond tired, so I am enjoying a long uncomfy cuddle. DH got home early and has thankfully taken the girls out. I told him a few home truths this morning at 5am blush

ValiumQueen Mon 11-Mar-13 15:59:45

I agree garden they are pretty good. Very impressed at your little ladies' skills.

I have decided once fat boy is recovered from his jags on Thursday, we are going to introduce little tastes. He is 20 weeks on Thursday.

Contradictionincarnate Mon 11-Mar-13 16:13:27

vq I am in same situation ...will have to try,some cooled water does that help - anyone?
think we may have growth spurt too at almost 14 weeks! smile

Sophiathesnowfairy Mon 11-Mar-13 16:13:42

contra what a relief. Xx

Passmethecrisps Mon 11-Mar-13 16:19:45

Phew for your friend contra.

Right. We went to baby massage today and 3 seperate times P was referred to as a boy. Really? I have taken picture of her outfit today for honest opinions. Do I dress p like a boy?

TheDetective Mon 11-Mar-13 16:22:58

Is it wrong I am not looking forward to weaning?! I can't muster the enthusiasm for it when we are still establishing bottlefeeding lmao!!!

Rang HV again. He's hardly feeding again. He fed at 9pm last night, then 4am ish, 9.30am (as I told DP to try and feed him) then he has finally just fed again now. He takes 3oz maximum.

He is probably taking around 15oz a day now.

HV said to make a GP appt for tomorrow, and have his medication reviewed. She said that because he initially reacted well to the medication, then went back downhill, it can be that his body has increased the acid production to counteract the Omeperazole.

Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah. sad

Contradictionincarnate Mon 11-Mar-13 16:37:07

aw det sorry to hear O is keeping you on your toes!
Crying my eyes out through the last 20mins of call the midwife!

Catbag Mon 11-Mar-13 16:37:48

I am good VQ. Posting that pic and explaining myself on Facebook last night was oddly helpful. Thank you smile

BigPigLittlePig Mon 11-Mar-13 16:39:06

I haven't for reasons unknown put F in front of the tv before now. Needed to crack on with tea, so have put her in her bouncy chair in front of Madagascar. Could you imagine a happier baby? She is crack-a-lackin!

Izzybuzzybuzzybees Mon 11-Mar-13 16:40:11

Right I'm back from tidying. I've sorted out a load of too small clothes. Picked 6fecking bath sheets off the floor! DH uses Js room to get dressed in the morning and at night. It was filled with crap!

I have a good pile of stuff for the loft and a pile for charity. I'm not sure what to do with all the baby clothes tho. I have a tonne of neutral stuff and then all of Js stuff that's too small. Half of it he only wore once! Im not sure what to do with that though. Listing on eBay seems hit or miss and I don't know if I could be bothered. We won't be having any more. I'd probably love to but it would be crazy.

So operation big boy cot should start tonight I think.

ValiumQueen Mon 11-Mar-13 17:00:11

Well done izzy I plan to make a memory quilt with my old baby clothes.

contra me too! I was howling!

cat good to hear it smile I think the response was what you would call a quiche hug x

ValiumQueen Mon 11-Mar-13 17:01:57

I also plan to make sanitary towels out of his vests. Bet that is a sentence you have not read before.

Sophiathesnowfairy Mon 11-Mar-13 17:05:01

detective you may well find O comes into his own with real food. Xx

TheDetective Mon 11-Mar-13 17:05:01

I just choked on my bacon butty VQ.

Oh. I am SO looking forward to this meet. Baring in mind, I edit my posts online. I'm far worse IRL. DP will vouch for this. grin

justonemorecake Mon 11-Mar-13 17:05:17

pr I also feel like I will never be able to spend anything on myself. I am always either saving for something or buying something for E.

toomany E often has strange, smelly poos. I've mentioned it to gp and hv and they always say nothing to worry about, just wind or a bit of a bug.

det sorry to hear you are having such struggles with o's feeding.

E has had a bit of a grumpy day today. She never really gets enough sleep day or night, so she is often overtired. I have tracked her sleep and she never gets much more than 12 hours sleep in 24 hours, which doesn't sound much for a baby. I don't know how to get her to sleep any more though.

ValiumQueen Mon 11-Mar-13 17:09:49

izzy it won't be easy, but apparently it takes three days to establish a new routine with a baby. Can DH help with any pick-up-put-downing? He will smell food with you. Can you let him cry it out? It is hard, especially with DD, but if you know he is not hungry, clean, warm enough, and has not got wind, then sometimes it can help. It may actually be what he is crying for. If he cries and has a lull then cries again, he is just fucked off with the world. If it escalates, he needs something and is telling you that.

It took us three nights to make the change. I dismantled the bedside cot for night three as I could not trust myself to not use it.

PetiteRaleuse Mon 11-Mar-13 17:11:01

I'm looking forward to June meets with VQ , Cat and possibly Detective and anyone else who can make it to north Lancs / north yorks or south lakes. I will feel far less envy about you guys always planning meets.

ValiumQueen Mon 11-Mar-13 17:11:39

detective I do not doubt that for a second grin

PetiteRaleuse Mon 11-Mar-13 17:12:55

I will take orders for any French stuff to be brought over that anyone wants, but just in case you didn't know Ocado have a whole French line online now.

TheDetective Mon 11-Mar-13 17:25:29


PetiteRaleuse Mon 11-Mar-13 17:34:27

In June? If I can gt it at that time of year smile

sweetpea1112 Mon 11-Mar-13 17:36:01

Is reluctance to feed a teething sign? It has been a real battle to get O to feed today and he has only taken 9oz all day. Getting a bit worried about him now.

YellowWellies Mon 11-Mar-13 17:37:48

Oh dear I thought I was having a bad day with my lurgy, Captain Reflux who also appears to have got it and is also suffering due to me drinking lucozade yesterday. But no. From the police presence, scene of crime officers etc it seems as though one of our neighbours round the corner, might have killed his family and himself sad

sweetpea1112 Mon 11-Mar-13 17:39:48

Oh god YW that's awful sad

PetiteRaleuse Mon 11-Mar-13 17:42:08

Oh no sad that seems to happen so much at the moment it's so horrible.

Passmethecrisps Mon 11-Mar-13 17:42:14

Oh YW that's terrible. Makes me very sad.

sweet I think It can be. Apparently there mouths are sore so they don't want to eat. Have you any teething gel?

It is almost never that p needs to sleep on me. So why oh why has the cat chosen this particular rare event to do a massive dump. I can't get to te litter tray so I will just have to put up with it.

Passmethecrisps Mon 11-Mar-13 17:43:08

Oh bloody Nora. I just read the family bit as well! How dreadful. Awful

sweetpea1112 Mon 11-Mar-13 17:44:27

We do have teething gel pass but it doesnt seem to have helped much today. It gave us our 9 hour sleep on Saturday night, which is what convinced me it was teething.

Passmethecrisps Mon 11-Mar-13 17:44:28

cat I am pleased to see you back and feeling better. A big quiche hug can be just what's needed - a bit eggy - but definitely lovely.

Passmethecrisps Mon 11-Mar-13 17:45:11

Calpol sweet?

sweetpea1112 Mon 11-Mar-13 17:46:40

Ooh good idea pass I'll give it a go smile

TheDetective Mon 11-Mar-13 17:52:38

Bloody hell YW. shock

How utterly tragic. sad

TheDetective Mon 11-Mar-13 17:54:38

PR is it a seasonal thing? My dad brings it home year round when he visits? Unless he stashes it for months. grin

Izzybuzzybuzzybees Mon 11-Mar-13 17:54:56

vq thanks for the words of wisdom. I think it can only do good in the long run to get him sleeping in the cot. He is a big boy and maybe having the extra space will help him sleep better. I think it will be hard for both of us but for the best. My DH would be more than willing to help but only really at the weekend as he works full time and I wouldn't want him up during the week. I could leave it to the weekend to try I suppose but I figure I may as well try as soon as possible. It's just so tough to know what to do for best but I need to do something, for my sanity I think more than anything. By moving him I'm actively trying to help things rather than keep doing the same thing and hoping for the best!

And no you are right, I did not expect to read your planning on making sanitary wear from old vests!! Lol

PetiteRaleuse Mon 11-Mar-13 18:04:51

Nah you can get it year round in the bigger supermarkets but it's much easier to get hold of in the cold weather, and the nicer deli ones are only available in winter/autumn where I am.

Hmm. Had forgotten how much and how quickly nappies change when you start weaning.

Went back to banana this evening as she was all open mouthed despite bunged up noise. Only has a couple of tiny spoonfuls. Seems good fun, though v glad I batch cooked Sunday.

TheDetective Mon 11-Mar-13 18:21:42

PR You're a fucking genius! Just found it on Ocado! Does that mean I will be able to get it in Waitrose? Just a shame my nearest one is 17 miles away!

Will have to do an Ocado order at some point very fucking soon!.

ValiumQueen Mon 11-Mar-13 18:31:21

Gaspard Ulliel please pr and some Brie to spread on him.

YellowWellies Mon 11-Mar-13 18:36:17

Sounds like two bodies have been found - by the fact her car is outside I would say the wife is one. I do hope the other isn't a child sad What is it with men taking their families / partners out rather than lose them?! So utterly selfish. Wives and children are not possessions sad sad sad sad

ValiumQueen Mon 11-Mar-13 18:36:29

Missed YWs post. How very sad sad

PetiteRaleuse Mon 11-Mar-13 18:45:06

grin VQ now if I were to manage to persaude him to come with me do. You really think I would share??

I don't know if Waitrose and Ocado are linked I have never shopped in either Detective <loses all MN credibility>

PetiteRaleuse Mon 11-Mar-13 18:46:20

YW do you know them well? hugs, horrible to know something like that has happened in real life, if you see what I mean. So close to home

PetiteRaleuse Mon 11-Mar-13 18:46:40

must be horrible

MadamGazelleIsMyMum Mon 11-Mar-13 18:48:05

YW how sad sad

pass a very nice post of yours up thread

Wonder how apple is today

bplp yes to next week, anyone else SW? There's someone in North Devon and garden is in Cheltenham, although Exeter might be a bit far.

detective you have the worst luck ever with cars sad

catbag good to have you back on the thread. Hugs

Well, I did another KIT day. Did some proper work, saw friends, was nice, I feel ok about going back in 8 weeks and being FT. DS had a lovely day with DH, first time DH has had him for the whole day on his own. DH claims to have newfound respect for how I cope and is now less nonchalant about having both kids for the day next week and 3 days a week when I go back to work.

YellowWellies Mon 11-Mar-13 18:51:26

Det missed your post about O's reflux. I would push for a hefty dose - somewhere close to 2mg/kg delivered by a morning and evening dose to maximise efficacy. If that doesn't work then push for him to go onto soy and dairy free formula. And be super careful to avoid reflux trigger foods / known allergens when weaning as not doing this risks making a minor intolerance into a serious lifelong allergy.

Must be a day for reflux Jonas' has been horrific today - think its related to jags, lucozade and virus rather than anything dairy or soy I've eaten but its put me off from trying soy which we hoped to do on Friday by getting a Chinese. He's been purple and top of voice hysterical screaming for about six hours today sad We had slightly reduced the incline of his crib but think I'm going to get DH to adjust that this evening whilst I run out of the house screaming and pulling my hair out

Thoughts of a Mars bar are so out of the window.

sweetpea1112 Mon 11-Mar-13 19:04:05

YW I really admire you. You are a font of knowledge on all things reflux and you always seem so calm about everything. Your description of poor Jonas' reflux today sounds really horrid, but you still sound so together.

O has been very very difficult today, struggling to feed and getting overtired, although nothing compared to you and ll the other reflux mummies, but I seriously struggle to cope with it.

Hats off to you

kissyfur Mon 11-Mar-13 19:07:17

That's so sad YW. How awful.

Welcome back to the thread catbag, you were missed

Sweet I think F is teething too as she's definitely been off her food today, it's so stressful when they won't eat!

Glad the weaning is going well PR

BigPigLittlePig Mon 11-Mar-13 19:10:27

Have just discovered a dimple between Fs buttocks. Fucking dr google - am scared shitless she has something hideous now. Will be off to the gp asap paranoid mummy alert

sweetpea1112 Mon 11-Mar-13 19:10:41

It is isn't it kissy? I worry for him obviously and then I'm also worrying that tonight is going to be terrible because he's hungry and then tomorrow will be awful because he's overtired....

I keep telling O that teeth will be very useful to him when he is older but he's still not convinced grin

LuisGarcia Mon 11-Mar-13 19:12:44

Having read YW's news and several other threads on MN today, I'd like to apologise on behalf of men.

MadamGazelleIsMyMum Mon 11-Mar-13 19:17:55

YW I echo what sweetpea says, especially in relation to your massively adusted diet to feed your LO. I dont think I could have done that. Impressed with all of you who make such adjustments.

TheDetective Mon 11-Mar-13 19:17:58

Thank you YW I really appreciate your advice! From reading around, it seems that people think reflux is just a neurotic mum thing.

All I keep reading is that if your baby is gaining weight, then it isn't reflux, and isn't CMPI.


I'm quite sure now that O does have reflux. I just don't know what he needs to help him!

We've had 2 quiet settled periods today, where he hasn't needed to be in arms. Right now, he is between my feet, semi sitting, and has been there for 15 minutes, happy! Strange child! This is probably one of the better days we've had, although he has napped terribly, frequent wakings while still tired. Not had much in the way of vomit or acid flare ups. I started back with the Losec MUPS last night. Perhaps this is the way to go?

He has only fed 12oz since 9pm last night though. sad

kissyfur Mon 11-Mar-13 19:23:38

Sweet hope your O has a good feed before bed for you smile

BPLP my DD1 has one of those, quite a deep one too and I was so worried about it when she was small but she is 100% fine. Am sure the paediatrician who looked over your LO as the hospital would have mentioned it to you if it was anything to be concerned about. They did with my DD but we got her looked at by a senior paediatrician and the GP and both said it would be fine, and it was.

YellowWellies Mon 11-Mar-13 19:40:11

PR we've only been here a couple of months so I don't know them but think I know her by sight (its not next door but about ten houses away).

sweetpea1112 Mon 11-Mar-13 19:40:38

Thanks kissy he just took 4oz so I'm happy with that smile.

YellowWellies Mon 11-Mar-13 20:00:42

<cuffs Luis affectionately with a wet fish> we know you're lovely - you're a member of our quiche smile

Awww thanks quiche - sniffle - that's cheered me up. DH is walking Captain Hysteria around for ten mins so he's calm enough to feed. It's going to be a long night I fear. I think when we have a second one I'm going to cut dairy and soy out of my diet for the last month of pregnancy so its out of my system and maybe avoid all this shit? (Assuming I don't have another early one).

Det silent reflux babies especially boys are often little chubbers (Jonas is chubbier than his weight belies he's just short from being prem) as instinctively they seem to know breast milk is an antacid and associate food with comfort. Whereas the reflux / CMPI girls I know seem to have made the link that food = the cause of the pain in the first place and struggle to put on weight and tend to avoid food. Maybe they're just not as fussed about boobs!!! grin Mindst Jonas is having hissy fits at the breast today (one side in particular any ideas?) so I'm likely to be speaking out of my arse.

Mummy needs gin envy Lots and lots of fucking gin.

And cigarettes. I so would tonight! (I won't really - been quit over a year now). But the thought of going out into our peaceful garden with views over the forth to Edinburgh and closing the door to leave DH with the poor screaming boy for a while - would be tres tempting. sad

Oh YW how sad. It's beyond my understanding how bad things have to be to get to that point sad

Has Apple not posted today? Hope you're ok whatever is happening?

Sweet I was coming here to aske the opposite question! Babylaughalot is feeding a LOT at night and i was wondering if it could be because she is teething? The last 2 nights she has had what seemed to be a very big feed before going down in her cot, then waking 5 minutes later with hysterical crying. I initially thought it was wind that was waking her, but more feeding was the only thing that would calm her, and she won't feed if she has wind. 4 times it happened last night, and it got to the point I was worrying she would be sick from feeding too much, but she went to sleep happily instead confused

Very red cheeks today, alternating from one side to the other through the day so I'm sure there are teeth on the move.

fairimum Mon 11-Mar-13 20:05:51

just wondering why the reflux babies are not on a combinationn of omeprazole and domperidone? my older two both had really bad reflux and then (only talking 2 years ago) they prescribed the two together as standard... the domperidone helps them move the food through the stomach faster so less likely to be sick/create more acid...

YellowWellies Mon 11-Mar-13 20:07:59

BPLP Jonas had a sacral dimple when born I'm sure of it. It was open too for the first day - but is now closed. I thought I'd imagined it due to diamorphine but just seen a pic online!

PetiteRaleuse Mon 11-Mar-13 20:09:35

I took up the fags again when I stopped bf'ing
Bt not as much as before

Luis as ong as you'e not an arrse or whatever the military forum is.....

PetiteRaleuse Mon 11-Mar-13 20:10:30

LO has a sacral dimple too, as did DD1, and my DH. Closed now smile

YellowWellies Mon 11-Mar-13 20:11:59

Hi fairi we tried the combo but domperidone gave him diarrhoea and left him famished (feeding hourly!). I don't know how you fed your LOs but my doc reckoned it rarely helps BF babies as BM naturally leaves the stomach v quickly anyway.

Elizadoesdolittle Mon 11-Mar-13 20:12:50

Just a quick update before I catch up on thread, it seems that E has mild silent reflux. Why it's taken all this palaver to get to this conclusion is beyond me. I'm guessing if she would have taken a bottle we would have known along time a go. Although she doesn't display a lot of the characteristics of a reflux baby and certainly doesn't appear in pain like yw's J and detective's O (and other reflux babies on this thread, I know there are more). She's going to be put on ranitidine but they also want to do an endoscopy next week to look for any damage and to see if there are any other underlying medical issues.

We have been told we can go home with her ng tube in so I've been doing the latest feeds to get used to it. DH being trained tomorrow. God help us as he has a very unsteady hand! And the best news is we've been told that Wednesday is release date grin so just one more full day and then I'm outta here. I'll believe it when I see it but the end is in sight. Thank fuck!!

PetiteRaleuse Mon 11-Mar-13 20:15:19

BPLP I am fairly sure someone would have picked up by now if it was a dimple worth worrying about. The main risk if it is closed is that it infects later in life, as it did for my DH. Which was manageable. If it's open it's a little more worrying. When LO was born I couldn't see the bottom of it and freaked out thanks to Dr Google. My paed laughed at me smile sad

BigPigLittlePig Mon 11-Mar-13 20:19:07

Woohoo, so pleased for you eliza. Puts my worries into perspective!

Thanks for the dimple reassurance, the rational part of my brain says, they're common and almost always nothing, but the dr-google-fuelled-paranoid-mummy part is in meltdown. Ridiculous. God knows what I'd be like if she had something properly wrong.

BigPigLittlePig Mon 11-Mar-13 20:21:43

Bloody dr google eh pr!
If I could be bothered, I would dig out my paediatric textbook and get some proper stats/reassurance. Sadly am too lazy to do this.

TheDetective Mon 11-Mar-13 20:29:37

BPLP sacral dimple is ok! Quite common. Only problem is when open!

Fuck you dr google!!

Would say more but one hand typing!

YellowWellies Mon 11-Mar-13 20:33:30

I'm not going to Google sacral dimples. I'm not!

PR now I know why you sound so calm!!!!

Eliza welcome to the club that no one wants to join reflux club. Poor E! Still a diagnosis means treatment and once she's on one or a combo of meds / diet changes that works for her - you'll get your beautiful daughter back feeding and happy xxx

TheDetective Mon 11-Mar-13 20:34:02

Oscar enjoyed rug munching this evening. Carpet time prefered to playmat time. Odd child!

Evilwater Mon 11-Mar-13 20:35:52

Wow YW and Detective. Huge hugs.

For every one else, thanks. I think it must be the weather why all the babies are getting upset. N is has been grumpy most of the day, and it's taken an extra 15 minutes of rocking to get him to sleep.

P is very horney, and has bit the dishes way, washed and filled N bottles. Hs even helped with putting him to sleep!

Some wine for all of us tonight.

kissyfur Mon 11-Mar-13 20:38:36

Don't do it YW! Step away from the google! smile

I have had real cravings for a cigarette since having LO, gave up ages ago tho

MadamGazelleIsMyMum Mon 11-Mar-13 20:39:11

Great news about going home eliza

I'm also not googling sacral dimples.

DH has gone to work and the kids are asleep. I was going to clean the bathroom and change the sheets on DH's the spare bed. Instead I am MNing and have eaten a whole tub of some Ben & Jerry's. I'm thinking about going to bed. <lame emoticon>

kissyfur Mon 11-Mar-13 20:39:43

Oh and sorry to hear about E having reflux Eliza, but v glad you've got a diagnosis and home is in sight xx

Catbag Mon 11-Mar-13 20:53:08

Ok, well I'm going to have to google sacral dimples. I have no idea what they are! grin

Catbag Mon 11-Mar-13 20:56:44

Hmm. First page or two of results were ok on google images; I had to step away by page three confused

Lily311 Mon 11-Mar-13 20:57:10

Good news, Eliza.

I took O to Gp and I made a real fuss. He said she did not have reflux, and she seemed ok. I was standing at point rocking her on my shoulder so I stopped and she screamed blue murder. He kept saying she was fine, I kept telling him she was not. While she was screaming. He refused infant gaviscon and gave me daktarin for her thrush. Which she does not have. I told him I was going to make an appointment with someone else who actually listens. At that point he went out and brought another dr in who listened and suggested we try infant gaviscon and refered us to a pediatritian. I mean wtf? I burst into tears and walked away with the prescription. O at that point had been screaming for 20 min ( we were right after feed). So first dose given, I am hoping it will make a difference. I only got enough sachets for 3-4 days so I guess I have to go back this week once again. Those of you on infant gaviscon, do you get it on repeat prescription? How many sachets do you get at one time?

I am exhausted, it was a tough day. I have an Ou assignment due tmrw but asked for extension. My fault but I am so tired mentally.

Catbag Mon 11-Mar-13 21:02:15

eliza Yay! The end is in sight. So pleased that you know you are going home together soon x

detective Hope the GP ups O's dose tomorrow and O is fixed again

VQ Sanitary towels out of vests? How? <<genuinely interested>>

No word from apple today? Hope you are ok. We are here if you want to talk x

Pikz Mon 11-Mar-13 21:02:23

Massive hugs to everyone having a god awful time by the sounds of it.

LO has a horrendous cold. All he does when not eating or sleeping is scream sad god knows about me getting any sleep tonight.

Think we found a nursery today. Very glad I don't have to take him there til nov though. It made me very sad just at the thought of it.

I have just read the entire days thread and can't think of all the things I wanted to say.


TheDetective Mon 11-Mar-13 21:06:13

I just had to make DP take over putting O to bed. I was close to breaking point. He refused to go in the cot. I spent over an hour trying to put him down. He woke up every single time, and nothing would settle him until he was picked up and rocked to sleep again.


Must calm down. Ridiculous. But my arms were about to drop off.

Catbag Mon 11-Mar-13 21:06:25

Sounds awful 311. Well done for sticking to your guns though. That first doctor sounds like he is the 'dismissive of mothers cos they are all paranoid wrecks' type. Grr. Hope the IG helps.

Catbag Mon 11-Mar-13 21:08:54

Sympathies detective. I am cheating at the mo by not having the babies in a cot, but I am aware that I may be making a rod for my own back there. Well done for being somewhere else and making DP take over. Go and have a brew.

PetiteRaleuse Mon 11-Mar-13 21:10:06

Woooo light at the end of the tunnel Eliza

Sacral dimples are only a worry if with a light you can't see they are closed. When I came back with LO from the hospital I was pretty angry they hadn't pointed it out and reassured me but had pointed out a couple of very minor things which I would never have worried about. So I spent days googling and panicking before DD1 went to the paed for I dn't know what and I happened to mention it. Paed looked, laughed and reassured.

apple thinking of you

Lily311 Mon 11-Mar-13 21:11:23

Detective, have you tried him on his tummy? O sleeps on her tummy, she never settled on her back. I used to turn her over after she fall asleep but not anymore. Have a movement monitor though.

TheDetective Mon 11-Mar-13 21:15:09

lily I have tried him on his side practically in the cot with him but as he is swaddled, I don't put him on his tummy. If he isn't swaddled, he just wakes himself up all night long, pulling off his own face. hmm

Re: GP. You do need to stand your ground. Bloody idiots some of them. You almost have to know what it is you want when you go in, or what is wrong!

I've worked with enough trainee GP's who were total numpties god help the members of public they were let loose on to have reservations over the care offered. Of course, I have met some utterly wonderful ones, total credits to their profession. It's pot luck though, isn't it?

TheDetective Mon 11-Mar-13 21:17:01

Am calmer now.

Just frustrated, I realised not at O, but at being sat in a dark bedroom for over an hour. It was the fact I was pissed off at being sat up there alone and bored while DP swanned around downstairs doing whatever the fuck he likes.


Sophiathesnowfairy Mon 11-Mar-13 21:20:16

bplp DD1 had a sacral dimple that was noticed by the HV straightaway. Complete scaremongering and I didn't even really use the Internet then. We have to go for scans and all sorts as they said it could be a sign of spina bifida. It turned out however that she just has a really thin sacrum.

Later on I found out that it is common in babies whose mother are epileptic, and is often shown Up by a birth mark over the sacrum. By coincidence my exDHs mother is quite severly epileptic and he has a birth mark in the sacral area.

TheDetective Mon 11-Mar-13 21:20:37

Can hear DP attempting transfer. Eeeeek.

Please go the fuck to sleep!

ValiumQueen Mon 11-Mar-13 21:22:09

I should not have googled. Like a moth to a flame.

cat I have yet to make any, but having seen reusable ones, the closure looks very similar to the bottom of a vest. I will post a pic when I have made one. Perhaps that could be my WAHM business - memory pads grin

BigPigLittlePig Mon 11-Mar-13 21:23:33

Good luck detective

I've never noticed the dimple before, but when she was born, she was so weeny that tbh I'm not sure they would have picked it up plus there was lots of excitement about her genitals poor mite I'll mention it to the hv (new one, seems quite nice/good) and see what she thinks. Almost certainly nothing, but an aunt does have occult spina bifida so makes me a bit nervy.

Who are the other south westerners? Is it lily or lilliana who's in Bideford?

PetiteRaleuse Mon 11-Mar-13 21:23:49

Apparently hairs in the sacral area are a warning sign too. Don't worry just mention it next time you're seen

Sophiathesnowfairy Mon 11-Mar-13 21:24:22

What do your inside them vq?

kirrinIsland Mon 11-Mar-13 21:27:19

Well done for standing your ground lily Hope the gaviscon works.

YW that sounds awful sad I can't imagine what makes people do such things.

detective Hope O has settled now.

Eliza yay for a diagnosis and a release date smile

N threw in one of her mammoth naps today - 3.5 hours shock I'd have slept myself if I'd known she was going to do that.

TheDetective Mon 11-Mar-13 21:30:50

O in cot. Thank fuck.

LuisGarcia Mon 11-Mar-13 21:33:17

*I just had to make DP take over putting O to bed. I was close to breaking point. He refused to go in the cot. I spent over an hour trying to put him down. He woke up every single time, and nothing would settle him until he was picked up and rocked to sleep again.

Must calm down. Ridiculous. But my arms were about to drop off.*

I would hifive this as it describes my evening so far too, but my arm hurts too much.

Can I lofive it?

TheDetective Mon 11-Mar-13 21:36:26

Finger tap it!

PennieLane Mon 11-Mar-13 21:36:47

luis thanks for posting that wellie boots thread-I need to have a read.

It's fucking freezing in London, specifically 15 degrees in my house despite constant heating.hmm Last jabs tomorrow! Will be glad to see back of them.

MadamGazelleIsMyMum Mon 11-Mar-13 21:42:33

Same for us Pennie. Hope they don't mess with the sleep!

rootypig Mon 11-Mar-13 21:48:15

yay Eliza such great news. Really hope you are home soon, and the diagnosis makes a difference to you and little E.

Lily seriously well done for standing your ground! doctors make it so hard sometimes wonder what they think their job actually is, fobbing people off

YW I quit fags to TTC a year ago January but have had two or three nights having a couple with my baby free friends and it was bliss! probably shouldn't admit to that

I am not googling these dimples! I am not! <<googles>>

rootypig Mon 11-Mar-13 21:49:05

oooh Pennie where in London are you? I am east (Victoria Park). and yes it's fucking Baltic, nearly lost an ear cycling back from the pool just now

Lily311 Mon 11-Mar-13 21:54:28

I am in SE London (elephant&castle). And it is freezing !

ValiumQueen Mon 11-Mar-13 21:58:24

sophia I plan to pad them with microfibre and have a nice soft brushed cotton top layer. I will put a waterproof layer in too. I was initially very blurgh at the idea, but have changed my opinion after reading a thread on here.

Off to land of nod hopefully. J asleep dreaming of wee P, and sparkly clean too. It will not last.

Hopefully we will all sleep tonight.

izzy thinking of you x

YellowWellies Mon 11-Mar-13 21:58:26

Jonas the bear is down.... <crawls off in search of wine and a big fat crack pipe>

TheDetective Mon 11-Mar-13 22:09:24

<Comes running and wailing after YW...>