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November 2012 - BFPs? Already? You girls are going to have some fun!

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StuntNun Mon 04-Mar-13 07:22:27

Previous thread: http://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/postnatal_clubs/1693077-November-2012-They-WERE-sleeping-what-happened

PetiteRaleuse Mon 04-Mar-13 07:35:59

Fun. That's an interesting choice of word grin

No BFP here ever again thank you very much

PurplePidjin Mon 04-Mar-13 07:46:56

<props eyelids up with matchsticks>

<ponders how bad gripe+sleep really was if it meant i could have chocolate and proper coffee>

<staggers off to baby massage>

Pikz Mon 04-Mar-13 08:09:11

Hmmmmm definitely no bfp here. Think I'd collapse!

MummaPanda Mon 04-Mar-13 08:29:39

Well atleast I'm not the only one... Makes me feel less crazy!! grin

ValiumQueen Mon 04-Mar-13 08:34:10

Thank fuck it is not me!

PetiteRaleuse Mon 04-Mar-13 08:40:11

Panda DD1 was 19 months when DD2 was born. It is honestly fun some of the time

MummaPanda Mon 04-Mar-13 08:50:04

Keeping in theme of last thread, has anyone come out the other side if sleep regression yet? We'v gone from 10+ hrs a night to lucky if we get 4! N with pregnancy exhaustion fast setting in, I need all the sleep I can get!!! sad

PetiteRaleuse Mon 04-Mar-13 09:43:47

Yes Panda last night's waking was an exception and DH's fault for not doing the dream feed

Sleep regression lasted a few days a couple of weeks ago.

Would love a BFP DP would drop dead though

BigPigLittlePig Mon 04-Mar-13 10:36:46

No chance, you need to actually dtd to get a bfp as I recall?

StuntNun Mon 04-Mar-13 12:28:43

Can anyone tell me how to work the Bumbo play tray? There doesn't seem to be any easy way to attach it without lifting up the whole Bumbo while J is in it. I tried leaving it loosely attached but J just ripped the whole tray off!

Brockle Mon 04-Mar-13 12:31:23

I am done. I love my three but no more.

ShellyBobbs Mon 04-Mar-13 12:32:57

Still not had sex.

ShellyBobbs Mon 04-Mar-13 12:34:28

I'd love more but hubby says no. Plus there really is no room. But still, another 2 would be lovely.

MummaPanda Mon 04-Mar-13 12:39:43

Haven't attempted the bumbo tray yet, just use it without for now, N won't stay in it long enough to bother anyways, sitting is old news, she wants to stand all the time and now even moves her feet to walk. Gna b chasing her around before I know it lol.

ShellyBobbs Mon 04-Mar-13 12:41:42

FINALLY grin grin grin

Got the last post grin

CandyPop Mon 04-Mar-13 12:43:10

noooooooo shelly u beat me too it!!!! i really thought i had a chance this time!!!! arrrrgggghhhhhhn

CandyPop Mon 04-Mar-13 12:47:01

no dtd here either ... been 6 months poor dh. we were going to but im on the mini pill and u have to take it at the same time everyday. i keep forgetting it by a couple hr. not willing to risk getting pregnant yet!!!

Elizadoesdolittle Mon 04-Mar-13 12:52:18

Damn I thought I had a chance for last post too. Even sitting in a hospital with bugger all else to do I'm not quick enough!

Not going to be a bfp from me this year I can assure you of that!

bp I would have loved to see that grin

The therapist can't see us till tomorrow afternoon so looks like we will be here till at least Wednesday am. I am fine with that, but really want to be released on Wednesday.

Elizadoesdolittle Mon 04-Mar-13 12:54:04

stunt there is no easy way. You are doing it correctly. Very difficult to put it on when the LO's are in it.

MadamGazelleIsMyMum Mon 04-Mar-13 12:58:20

No BFPs here either thank fuck for that.

Back from epic tour of UK seeing friends and family. Knackered. DS teething and crying all day so far. Calpol and bonjela currently sponsoring my life.

PurplePidjin Mon 04-Mar-13 13:06:20

Dammit, lost a huge post because i didn't realise the fred was finished!! Will try and remember...

Horsey no apology needed, it was a bit of an arsey thing to say. I'm getting heartily sick of rl people getting defensive because they're not bfing any more, through sheer laziness. I think they feel guilty but that's no excuse to make snidey remarks to me. R sleeps no different on formula, plus i can't afford it anyway - it's eat what your given or starve round here.

Eliza hurrah, fab news grin she'll be nicely chubby in no time!!

R is 15 weeks today and nowhere near sitting in a highchair. No way am i giving him food until it's clear he won't fall over!!

glendathefedupwitch Mon 04-Mar-13 13:14:39

No bfp's for me - I am done poas!!! Shop is shut!!!

Last night we finally got around to talking about our little problem in the bedroom!!! Divvy cow I am - he was just taking his sweet time cos it doesn't happen that often and was savouring it - where I was racing to the end to get to sleep lol - I've promised him more if we can be quicker lol and last night be both won gold lol hurray I've not got a dart ford tunnel!!!!!

Bed routine has been the same since d was born, we come up to watch tv in bed around 8pm sometimes she has a bath with one of us sometimes it's just getting her changed and into swaddle, she has bottle about 9pm then bum change, chatter and then bf to sleep about 10pm with the past 5 nights hers going down on first transfer wooooo!!

sweetpea we're going to be having dots in with us for a long time as we are in a 3 bed house, big bedroom has my son and 2 stepsons every other weekend while the teeny box room houses dd1 and her thousands of soft toys. Dottie will be going in with her eventually when I can get dd1 to part with at least half her toys but will probably be when she's 6-8 mths. Is your room big enough to put a screen up? I know many parents who have had trouble getting LO in own room when they are older so maybe if you could divide room up a bit? Just a thought!!

izzy if you are not happy with your HV please speak to someone at the centre she is attached to - she should not be advising early weaning without medical reasons or that he should be going through the night!!! Our babies did not come off the production line and each and everyone is individual with individual appetites, sleep patterns etc.... They are there to advise and offer helpful advice if you want baby to sleep through etc.... I've got a friend with a 12 mth old who still wakes 3 times during the night for a bf - I couldn't personally do it but she's happy to so who is anyone to say that's wrong!!! You do what you do to suit you, baby and family!!!!

eliza yay way to go baby E - good news they're doing a long term plan too and not just a quick fix!!! Fingers x'd home once you've munched the chocolate!!!

Eeeekkkk had a little splurge in tescos for some new clothes for uni - less than £100 and got a pair of black trousers which I didn't think would fit me in a million years but they do so gonna go back for 2 more pairs for work a dress, a top, a jumper and 2 cardigans!!! I've also ordered 2 pairs of wedges from next!!!

Off to pick dd1 up soon then taking her to uni to do my crb check and registration!!!

Was all emotional yesterday, a good friend from work who has being trying for a baby for years and had 2 ectopics and a miscarriage the same time as I did gave birth to a precious little girl - Olive. They really didn't think they would ever be parents and had 3 courses of ivf but this one came out of the blue so I'm soooooo pleased for her!!! Dottie's got a little playmate!!!

I've had a headache now for over a week and nothing I take shifts it - it's getting me down!!!!

kissyfur Mon 04-Mar-13 13:15:58

Yayy! Eliza that's such fab news. Really chuffed for you smile

TooManyDicksOnTheDancefloor Mon 04-Mar-13 13:19:04

Great news eliza, it made a happy tear form in the corner of my eye!

rootypig Mon 04-Mar-13 13:23:25

Stunt how funny, just attempted bumbo and tray for first time today. S looked like she had her own office! I just lifted front of bumbo off the floor slightly and squidged the soft foamy stuff into the tray, iyswim.

Eliza wonderful news, so lovely to hear your happiness and relief smile and know LO is going to be well

Pea we live in a TINY flat (quote my brother: there are dogs with houses bigger than yours). I feel lost in my mum's rather modest three bed house! but I think it's nice actually, you can be close to LO and each doing your own thing in the same space. I would be fine staying that long. We got this cot on ebay for £60 grin: www.bloombaby.com/collection/spec.php?sID=83 might be a good option if you're short on space?

Pikz Mon 04-Mar-13 13:24:34

Eliza am so happy for you had a little cry.

Mother's Day and DP birthday shopping done. LO chatted and grinned and now asleep. Weather glorious so think another walk later.

Have to admit am finding motherhood a bit lonely despite all the groups. So used to being around a big team all day.

rootypig Mon 04-Mar-13 13:24:58

Glenda Dottie such a sweet name! are you in uni? I have to finish exams for my masters this June, am supposed to start studying for them now, not quiiiite sure how this is going to work!

kirrinIsland Mon 04-Mar-13 13:35:11

Yay Eliza Thats great news smile

What are you studying rootypig ?

sweetpea my DD1 was in our room til she was 18 months - it was fine.

glenda glad all is well with DP, and great news for your friend smile

It's a nice day here, so I'm going to get some bits from Boots and then go for a walk I think.

glendathefedupwitch Mon 04-Mar-13 13:41:50

rooty thank you - it was v hard to come up with a name I liked as much as dd1's tallulah as that was my all time favourite girls name and I had to persuade dh but he loves it too now!!! I start uni on 18th doing my midwifery training so I am über excited!!!

I am going to wean the girls in 4 weeks, they will be 26 week then. A combination of BLW and mashed food until they get the motor skills to eat on their own. Looking forward to it!

TheDetective Mon 04-Mar-13 14:00:28

Afternoon!

If I'm not careful I'll end up with a bloody BFP at this rate. I woke DP back up after O settled last night grin. Then I realised mid shag, I was ovulating. It's always when I'm bloody ovulating! My body is desperate to be pregnant. I am not. Thank god for no contraceptive mishaps this time! Really must start on that pill!.

Horsey The woman hasn't emailed me, did she message you back?

Thanks for the thoughts on AP. I thought it would be something different than that. I like the idea, but not what I read on that page!

O is currently sat on daddys knee watching me, and grinning. Has been unputdownable all day again!

We're supposed to be watching The Little Mermaid, but I've been distracted by MN again!

Sleep - erm, well we have a little routine, and that seems to work. We don't have any problems getting him to sleep in the evening yet but his sleep definitely isn't what it was. He never woke for anything other than a feed, yet now he is every night. So we've got the bedtime routine to a pat, but that's about it. We sometimes do a bath, sometimes just take upstairs, nappy change, swaddle on, sit in dark bedroom and feed. And then he's gone, so put him down.

With naps, his naps start off short -45 mins or so, building up to a 3-4 hour afternoon nap (not as good as it sounds as he often wakes still tired, so you have to get him back to sleep). Then a final shorter nap of 45 mins or so before bedtime. He has around 4 sleeps a day. I don't find it makes much difference to night time sleep tbh! We've just managed to get him to sleep in the swing again after days of only sleeping on me. But I've had to use the swaddle in the day to get him to stay asleep til he's ready to wake rather than crying out mid sleep.

My best tips are swaddling and white noise, also for us, a dummy. The white noise worked last night at every wakening. I just pressed play each time he woke, and he went straight back. If I'd of picked him up and rocked him back to sleep, getting him back in the cot would have been much harder work. I know if the white noise doesn't work straight away that he wants a feed.

Eliza Wow!!! That's awesome!! Just what I was hoping for! So glad for you!

Stunt I don't take the tray off? I just leave it on. He prefers it that way as he can play with eat toys easier.

Fucking hell, in the time it has taken me to write this - about 15-20 mins, he has been in the bumbo HAPPILY!! Fuck. Please let this continue! I might be able to have a shit! grin

TheDetective Mon 04-Mar-13 14:02:52

Spoke too soon!!!!!

BigPigLittlePig Mon 04-Mar-13 14:11:02

detective the last line of your post made me chuckle - so ladylike grin

Have managed to put F down for her 2 power naps so far - admittedly on the sofa propped up by cushions - but have done the laundry and done a quick whiz round the house with a duster makes me happy

The thought of weaning terrifies me. F is clearly a million miles away from being ready just yet, if her tongue thrust is anything to go by. We're going to try with the bottle again this week...dh won the award for "least helpful comment EVER" at the weekend. I said I sometimes feel like I've forgotten who I am, and his reply was "well you chose to bf". I swallowed down the rage and muttered between clenched teeth "that wasn't helpful, sweetheart" angry

rootypig Mon 04-Mar-13 14:13:38

oooh glenda that is exciting, much more so than dry as dust endless cases law <<there's your answer kirrin grin

am going to have to cram for two weeks worth of exams at a time when DH is also mad at work and LO will be 8mo so a handful how the fuck it will work I have no idea

TheDetective Mon 04-Mar-13 14:25:01

Sorry BP I'm anything but lady like!!!

What a twatty comment. I'd have to plan revenge for that one....

I've just rang the GP. Prescription for staydown is ready!! Woooohoooo! Don't get much in life for free, so fuck it. I'm having this one!

Oh help ladies! First day home alone and J had got chronic d&v, he's slept all day (although I'm waking to feed and make sure he's ok) but I've changed his clothes 6 times because he's pooing out yellow water that the nappies can't hold and he's chucking up so much watery milk/posset that his hair is caked in it. Do I just bf as normal or extra or do I give water/ dioralite? I'm finding it really tough to deal with sad

horseylady Mon 04-Mar-13 14:37:48

detective lol about that!! No she's not messaged me, hence me asking if she'd contacted you!! Just picked up the jumperoo I bought!! Think she'd bought it 2nd hand too!! So all is good!!

No gaviscon anywhere sad booooo glad you stay down on prescription. I might have to speak to them about alternatives!

Brockle Mon 04-Mar-13 14:41:58

not sure tits call nhs direct just to check. keep bfing as often as you can. sending you hugs x

inane q: how early can left or right handedness be spotted? y definitely favours his left hand at the mo. ds1 is a leftie and I think we guessed pretty early on. just wondered as have nothing better to do.

glendathefedupwitch Mon 04-Mar-13 14:44:13

tits oh dear that doesn't sound good poor little lamb - I would get an appt at the drs - not sure what age they are started on dioralyte??? Hope it goes v quickly xx

BigPigLittlePig Mon 04-Mar-13 14:44:51

Oh tits thanks for you and J - I think bm should be just fine. Really hope he's feeling better soon.

Dragging myself out now for a walk it's effing cold so would rather not

glendathefedupwitch Mon 04-Mar-13 14:47:21

brockle no idea if its from birth or not - would be interested to learn as D favours her right hand for everything lol!!!

Forgot to mention Dottie had a piece of cucumber to gum last night while we ate dinner - she lived having a suck and must have liked the coolness on her gums, she dribbled like mad!!!

Sophiathesnowfairy Mon 04-Mar-13 15:00:46

I have seen those cots rooty they are bootiful.

BigPigLittlePig Mon 04-Mar-13 15:55:42

Would it be wrong, after taking F out in the pram, to leave her sleeping in the pram outside, in our back garden? Once again she has woken the instant we've come inside and I'm sure it must be the sudden change in temperature.

PennieLane Mon 04-Mar-13 16:05:53

Totally lost track of everything, congrats to those with BFPs! You are greater women than I

Off to Luxembourg for five days, it better be warmer than pr has been reporting of late!

sweetpea1112 Mon 04-Mar-13 16:14:48

pig O wakes up the second we get inside too - I think for him it is because there is no background noise. I have ended up on some loooong walks because of this!

Lilliana Mon 04-Mar-13 16:22:39

YAY Eliza so pleased for you!!

BPLP my mum was told to leave me outside to sleep. As long as she is in a safe place I see no problem. L is happier outside than inside awake or asleep.

Today at baby massage L rolled over for the first time smile Think she shocked herself so was probably more accident than on purpose!

4 hours and then another 2 last night- getting worse but not as bad as it has been. Walked miles around town / the park today so hoping she will sleep better again tonight.

PetiteRaleuse Mon 04-Mar-13 16:35:24

It's warm and sunny today Pennie and tomorrow. Cloudy but mild for the rest of the week from what I can see though they were saying 16 and sun for Thursday.. Enjoy your trip. Have you been out here before?

StuntNun Mon 04-Mar-13 16:36:18

Tits you may be advised to only give water for 24 hours, better check with GP or NHS Direct. Poor wee thing. thanks

PetiteRaleuse Mon 04-Mar-13 16:42:08

Tits thanks I think those rehyfrating sachets can be used for tiny babies. I had heard that bf'ing mothers should carry on bf'ing but am very possibly wrong. Phone for advice.

Kyzordz Mon 04-Mar-13 17:24:52

Lets see what I remember...

glenda he has gone for a training thing for a week, he had a promotion at work and it's manager training smile my DM and siblings (18 down to 10) are about alot but DM is poorly so can't help ATM. Little bro (15) is brilliant though smile

Fab news eliza that's awesome!!! Go Ella! :D

tits I'd ring the nhs number for advice, hope he's better soon!

Erm...

I forgot what else!

Weaning. Ds can't sit up, so isn't ready in that respect. He has his hands in his mouth all the time but I think that's a baby thing? He shows real interest when we are eating and whines and looks like he's chewing. He puts everything in his mouth. But thought these were just baby things. I don't know if we'll make it to 26 weeks on milk but he's only 17 weeks tomorrow. If I gave him anything at all it would be tastes of different puréed things that are recommended, but again I don't know :/ I must say I am tempted to give it a try but I still don't feel like I know what I'm doing so it wouldn't be yet I don't think. My main problem is that I don't trust myself enough to make the right decision for him so whilst things I've read have led me to think starting him tasting things in the next few weeks wont hurt him I'm also thinking 'what if' and I'm not sure there are necessarily any benefits of introducing a bit of food earlier than 6 months. Does that make sense?

His jabs have been moved to next Thursday now, DM and co came back from hull visiting sister and we saw them yesterday and now they're all dying of some horrible cough/cold/flu type thing, so I rang doctors today and they recommended moving jabs till next week to see if he gets it, as then he will have time to get over it. I hope he doesn't get it

Gah, will have to read back through stuff to remember what I meant to say!

Izzybuzzybuzzybees Mon 04-Mar-13 17:32:27

tits here is a link about feeding when babies are Ill. If he will feed its advised to continue kellymom.com/bf/can-i-breastfeed/illness-surgery/baby-illness/

ValiumQueen Mon 04-Mar-13 17:43:04

tits keep bfing. Best thing for sick baby. Call NHS24 as well, and keep a close eye for dehydration - sunken fontanelle, dry mouth, no wee, listlessness etc. hope baby is soon better x

VQRGNRMNBAHV!

eliza hey fatty! Great weight gain. Such a relief for you all x

izzy what an odd thing for the HV to say. DS is a fatty and wakes frequently at night. I plan to feed him milk when he wants it until he is well established on solids. I will probably wean around 22 weeks. The girls were weaned at 24 and 23 weeks. You will know when your boy is ready. My HV recommended weaning at 20 weeks as he is a big boy.

I have felt so much better today having had some sleep. Took both little kids into town with my mum too. Had lunch out, and went shopping. It was lovely to feel normal, like I have a life. Almost. I hate feeding J in restaurants. I need a comfy chair! Mum said there were comfy chairs where we went. Soft cushioning for my arse, but that is not what I meant. I need support for my arm, like in a bucket seat, or a sofa, as he is so bloody heavy. I now have a pulled neck.

Oh crikey I missed a lot since last night. Most importantly WOO HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO for Eliza and E. Great work! You must be delighted.

Hope you're ok Tits, maybe call the NHS to check on the best course of action.

I am not planning to wean L before 6 months. He has started to notice DH and me eating but is not really interested. He may have had a few toast crumbs dropped on his head though.

TheDetective Mon 04-Mar-13 18:13:23

Still waiting for 6 months here too. He chews his fists and all that, but judging by the rest of us, all our babies are doing the same thing! The interest he shows in food is mostly screaming at me for daring to eat. Dinner time has been fucked for oooooh 14 weeks or so now. hmm

VQ That is one of the things I needed when BF too. TBH I need it even though I'm bottle feeding, as my arm goes dead! Not so bad now with the quicker feeds though. But whenever we go out, I'm always on the look for a good bucket seat, or places with sofas and cushions!

What is the BA for?! I got the rest wink.

Today I mostly want to stab DP. Hormones. The knobhead said he would get O's bag ready when I went out earlier. Was in Asda when screaming baby ensued. Where was his dummy? He forgot them. DICK. That was fucking fun. On my own with screaming baby, trolley full of food. RAAAAAAAGE!!

horseylady Mon 04-Mar-13 18:40:42

I was wondering the ba too?! Still no message detective I might see if there's a phone number?!

Little dog ran off. Little dog now has a collar and tag because she keeps doing it and I can't see where in the garden it is!!! Had a lovely walk after I found her!!

TheDetective Mon 04-Mar-13 18:48:55

Yes, a phone number would be great! I feel like I have a personal assistant now wink. Thanks!!

sweetpea1112 Mon 04-Mar-13 18:54:55

Wow, babies are fun! Oscar is being extra cute today. So interested in everything around him, wanting to pick everything up and put it in his mouth, being delighted with himself when he manages it and snorting with laughter when his daddy pretends to eat his belly!

I'm so so tired but god he is worth it.

Sorry. As you were.

Oh Eliza Wonderful news! You sound so happy which is fantastic thanks

Someone has abducted my DP and replaced him with the perfect man. He came home from work, insisted on bathing both the girls, he fed them AND put them to bed! He then ordered a Chinese and produced a lovely bottle of wine! I think he wants to get lucky. I enjoyed my time off with a a cup of tea and natter on the phone to a friend.

I like this new DP! Actually, this was the man I first met, kind, loving and thoughtful.

PetiteRaleuse Mon 04-Mar-13 19:04:10

That's lovely Gardenpixies

How is one supposed to go anywhere with a wilful toddler for want of a better word and a baby on your own? All we did was go down to the playground at the end of the street and back and it was a massive battle of wills.

rootypig Mon 04-Mar-13 19:11:07

I know Sophia I am still wine at my ebay triumph to get one so cheaply!

Tits hope LO gets better soon x

TheDetective Mon 04-Mar-13 19:18:01

Why have I got such a grumpy baby lately? He was so content, happy, and had started self settling, playing and entertaining himself. Now he doesn't do any of it.

What did I do wrong?! 4 weeks ago he was so different. He isn't happy unless he is being held or entertained. There is no point putting him on his play mat, or bouncer any more. He hates them both. Gaaaaaah.

sweetpea1112 Mon 04-Mar-13 19:45:03

Detective a developmental leap perhaps?

ValiumQueen Mon 04-Mar-13 20:07:32

Bad Ass!

Batchelor of Arts.

ValiumQueen Mon 04-Mar-13 20:07:50

Big Ass is more apt.

sweetpea1112 Mon 04-Mar-13 20:11:25

Have decided I really need to try and make some mummy friends. The only peron I see regularly with a baby is SIL but we have such different parenting styles I always end up feeling shite about myself sad

Have got baby group and I have met my next door neighbour who has a 5 month old for coffee a couple of times which is nice, but I know it will take a long time to get to 'friend' status. You know, someone I can properly talk to if I'm feeling shit about something, rather than small talk about babies.

Oh well, I'm putting myself out there and making an effort so that is all I can do for now.

Early night for me now, I will happily leave all the sleepy dust for you to fight over share evenly between yourselves, after my decent night last night. Night all smile

I've been and bought done Pampers Baby Dry so we shall see how they hold up tonight.

Weaning wise, we're going to wait until 26 weeks and I'm probably going to do a combination of BLW, mushed up stuff and whatever else, I'll just wing it grin

M was fab in baby massage and has been v talkative tonight and then just switches to cranky and crying. She's hardly napped today, 30 mins in the car and 15 mins on a walk and that's it. She refuses to give in. If she dozes off then she's wide awake as soon as she's moved.

Still no sex here so definately no BFP, not that there'd be a chance anyway. It's been over a year shock I think it's got to the point where I'm scared to do it

ValiumQueen Mon 04-Mar-13 20:16:58

PR I feel your pain with the baby and young child thing. It is hard work!

glendathefedupwitch Mon 04-Mar-13 20:18:15

vq have a look at Thrupenny bits website for breast feeding cushions - they tie around your waist so the cushion supports the weight of baby - I got the ultimate one which is expensive but I take it everywhere as it hangs over the buggy handle - I feed in the rugby ball hold so it hides my belly when I pull my top up!!! There's no way I could breast feed anywhere without it - it was the mn reviews that made me splurge on it - so pleased I did!!!

PetiteRaleuse Mon 04-Mar-13 20:25:53

LO has a new happy noise. It's like someone playing a high pitched violin badly. Or a cat being tortured. Delightful. She is very proud of herself and intercepts verses of squailinc with choruses of giggled hilarity.

Oh my poor ears.

Evilwater Mon 04-Mar-13 20:33:23

Sorry I've not kept up. It's taken me ages to log in. Damn IPad. It's taken about 1 and half minutes to load a page angry
Not much happing here, which is nice for a change. Just he normal stuff.

Congrats to the ladies having BFP.

To those LO who are unwell, I hope they get better soon.
Evil

Pikz Mon 04-Mar-13 20:34:59

I went to the gym! Woohoo

LO chatted to DP from when I left at 6.10 til 8pm when I got home. So lovely to see them laughing and chatting and having a bath. Bit like you pixies wondering who replaced DP with this man!

Detective you make me laugh a lot. I also have one who isn't so keen on just being in a chair or on playmat in last week. Think he's exactly same age as your O. Maybe it's a phase?

TheDetective Mon 04-Mar-13 20:42:33

A 4 week phase, it can fuck off now, please! grin

Seriously starting to wonder who swapped my baby now. He's very upset tonight. He skipped the long afternoon nap only having an hour. So he's been asleep since 6.50 now, but keeps screaming out in his sleep and waking up. We've had to put him back to sleep 5 times now.

VQBA I think a name change is calling...!

Izzybuzzybuzzybees Mon 04-Mar-13 20:45:03

Right I've tried offering boob every 3 hours today and he's taken it so far. So he's fed at 9am, 12pm, 3pm and 6pm ish so far. He's due again soon and will see what the night as in store for us.

Thanks for all the replies regarding the HV. I was really not impressed with her 'advice' at all as I really felt she was chastising me for feeding j overnight. All I'm willing to do thus far is feed a bit more often during the day in the hope that he does take more milk and maybe not require a feed overnight or at least not want more than one!

I shall return tomorrow with a boring update!

PetiteRaleuse Mon 04-Mar-13 20:54:11

Screaming out during sleep can be a sign of an ear infection. Would it be worth having a Dr look in his ears? He had a cold a couple of weeks ago iirc.

Pikz Mon 04-Mar-13 20:59:10

BAVQ... Sounds more hardcore

What's this about a BFP? shock I missed several pages of the last thread because I've been at work. My next depo injection is supposed to be next week but I'm going to cancel the appointment. It took nearly two years after I stopped having it last time before falling pregnant so I don't want it anymore. Don't want to use condoms, the pill, the coil or implant either so don't know what we will do confused A happy accident would be fine with me but I don't think we dtd frequently enough for that.

Spoke to my manager today about returning to work. She's fine with me tagging my holiday onto the end of my mat leave so won't have to go back until September. That's another six months away. Yay! Can't afford to take a whole year off unfortunately but I've got six weeks holiday and might take a couple of weeks unpaid so it won't be far short of a year.

TheDetective Mon 04-Mar-13 21:06:26

PR The GP checked him over including ears 2 weeks ago, as his cold was tailing off.

I'm googling like a woman possessed. I want my baby fixed please!!

YW I might need your kick ass skills! I think O does indeed have reflux. It is becoming more evident now. Looking at information, he has a lot of the symptoms. Bugger. I think I might see if the GP will try some meds for him, although I was reluctant, and hoped this was a phase, it seems to be lasting too fucking long! a while. I'm a bit meh on gaviscon. He already has the staydown stuff, which is working reasonably well. Do you think it is worth asking for Ranitidine straight off and seeing if that helps?

PennieLane Mon 04-Mar-13 21:08:19

Yay pr that's great! I haven't been before, really looking forward to it& seeing friends! Have you any tips?

Yay for all the weight gains!

TheDetective Mon 04-Mar-13 21:09:03

I feel like I'm getting to be a frequent hassler attender at the GP's these days. hmm

Apple If you are happy with a happy accident grin why don't you look at natural family planning methods?

BigPigLittlePig Mon 04-Mar-13 21:16:43

Oh detective boo for reflux. Perhaps ask for ranitidine as the staydown milk is already bunging him up, and gaviscon will only make it worse?

I'm still trying to clarify mat leave plans here, but the consultant I need to speak to is proving to be a total wankbadger tricky to get hold of. Don't think I'll get anything more than 7 or 8 months tops though.

We had a lovely evening at a friends, F was all smiles for their teenage girl which was lovely to see. Massive noisy poonami only slightly lowered the tone...

Kyzordz Mon 04-Mar-13 21:19:05

E screams out in his sleep too detective. Never at night though, just daytime naps :/ he went through a phase a few weeks back where nothing interested him and I'd try for ages to entertain him but things like his play gym and bouncer were no go's, five minutes and he'd be whinging again. It is getting better again now so maybe O will come out the other side too?

So tempted to go to bed and sod the dream feed but I know doing so will bite me on the ass. So, up I shall stay, and more octopus legs I shall stuff!

I say that now Detective but if it actually happened I would probably shit myself. then quickly get over it DP doesn't want another yet though. He often talks about having more but then when I try to have a serious discussion he says 'oh no, it's too soon for that'

ValiumQueen Mon 04-Mar-13 21:24:46

Thank you glenda I had a fancy breastfeeding pillow for DD2 and gave it to a friend thinking I was done with breeding. I bought a boppy for this time, and thought it was shite. Good for tummy time. I cannot really justify that expense considering I would only use it when out, and he is already 4 months, but they are lovely! I might try making something similar.

Evilwater Mon 04-Mar-13 21:29:47

Just a quick question,
Vomit/ posseting coming out of the nose, is this a really bad sign? If so what??

Evil

YellowWellies Mon 04-Mar-13 21:33:25

Detective go for ranitidine - though gaviscon can work well if FF. We found ranitidine wore off after a week. If you have the same experience push for omeperazole MUPS tablets (Losec) or the liquid version.

We're onto our first proper bedtime at home. He's been down forty mins. If the fecking cat will shut up miaowing triumphantly about getting my lap back - he might stay asleep.

We seem to be out the other side of the four month regression - someone asked (shhhh crosses fingers) we had two unsettled periods of 3-4 nights a fortnight apart. Now he sleeps from 8/9pm til 6/9am with one feed in the middle. Only tips I have are swaddling, sleeping on a sheepskin so as not to wake up cold (he's only wee), sleeping close to me (bed nest) and lots of fresh air. We go for at least an hours walk (more usually two) every day whatever the weather. I'm with Billy Connolly - there's no such thing as bad weather - just the wrong clothes.

I suspect its nothing we do though - I just think he likes his sleep. We have no correlation between daytime sleep and night time - he can have a good night after lots or little day time sleep. I bet he's going to be a bastard teenager or toddler to make amends for his sleep now grin hmm

BigPigLittlePig Mon 04-Mar-13 21:35:20

evil from personal experience, forceful vomiting or a sudden large volume of vom will find the route of least resistance, which may well be a nose. It's not pleasant, but can't think of any worrying conditions which would cause it to happen. How's N doing now, in between spewing out his nose?!

TheDetective Mon 04-Mar-13 21:37:20

Kyz our babies sound very similar then! How old is he now? O has been doing it at night too. Waking up but not wanting anything other than to go back to sleep.

Me and DP agree that he just isn't right. I tried a teething granule thingy today, to see if it was his teeth and maybe it would help. But it did nothing, and I can't feel anything on his gums at all.

I looked on here www.livingwithreflux.org/signs_symptoms.html and O has 3 of the things on the list:
Persistent refusal of feeds.
Excessive crying or irritability during or after feeding or regurgitation.
Vomiting old food, i.e., several hours after feeding.

It is as if he is hungry, but he doesn't want to feed. The staydown is mostly staying down, and the faster flow on the NUK bottles is helping, but today he has fussed at every feed, taking 3-4oz again. It's like a never ending circle! Also the NUK teats started clogging at every feed today. Going to have to ring NUK and complain ask for advice, because the teats are the largest size. confused

YellowWellies Mon 04-Mar-13 21:41:21

Kyz Jonas fave toy is a jelly cat octopus he wrestles it around his playmat hooting delightedly. Either that or he really hates it and that's a battle cry I'm hearing. He also has a panda he chats to and bear hugs / throttles.

Train journey home went fine other than two massive poos - DH did nappy duty thank goodness. Got a lovely compliment from a lady who shared our table about how contented and happy he was, she put it down to him being so secure and loved. I nearly cried. No one would have said that when he was screaming with his reflux just a couple of months ago.

Eliza yey Ella!

Evilwater Mon 04-Mar-13 21:45:12

Big- not to bad. He wants to be entertained, and fights to go to sleep. Apart for that he has found his shouty voice, which is brilliant as loves to join in any conversation.

Evil

TheDetective Mon 04-Mar-13 21:51:39

Thanks YW. I read that ranitidine may stop working quite quickly, so am prepared to fight for the Omeperazole! I just want to see if it makes any difference for him. He is a happy chucker, but isn't a happy feeder if that makes sense! He isn't bothered by the vomit, but is by the feeding.

What is the difference between the tablets and the liquid?

ValiumQueen Mon 04-Mar-13 21:52:57

I took J out in a very fetching pink fleece snow suit thing. An old lady asked how old she was, so I said he was four months and had big sisters. She looked horrified.

My phone is shite at typing after my mum dropped ketchup on the keyboard.

Kyzordz Mon 04-Mar-13 21:54:27

They do sound similar detective as o has always had periods of being fussy with the bottle too! He was doing it really badly at the tail end of last week but the weekend wasn't too bad he just was a whingy sod unless feeding! at the minute I've found distracting him and/or having someone that isn't me talking to him and/or putting the bottle down and playing with him for a bit works. Also, if he fusses at me and I take it and he cries, I wont give it back for five mins and he drinks ok for a bit. E is 17 weeks tomorrow, I think o is a couple of weeks younger?

yw I hope Eric likes this octopus as much then, it has taken alot of hard work!

evil e vommed out his nose when he was full of a cold and before he had his reflux milk, it seemed to be sheer force that did it. Does it distress him at all? E was ok both times he did it but I hated it as I can't stand being sick and it made me panic, lol!

ValiumQueen Mon 04-Mar-13 21:55:21

Tablets are hard things. Often round. Liquid is liquid.

Evilwater Mon 04-Mar-13 21:59:35

Kyz- The first time he didn't know what to do, it was really funny. We were shocked and because we looked worried he cried. The second time he was shocked but it didn't bother him.

Evil

TheDetective Mon 04-Mar-13 22:00:01

I dread taking O anywhere these days for the attack of the grumps! I had to pack my bags one handed with O under one arm so he didn't scream Asda down this evening. The check out assistant didn't even bother to ask me if I wanted help with my packing. She put a few things in a bag, but that was it. I had £50 worth of shopping!!

I can't decide what is easier. Staying in or going out. Best thing for him is baby groups. He loves the attention and the singing and rocking! There's a singing one tomorrow. Think i'll drag him there. Will be walking. My car is in the FUCKING GARAGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

QQ: For those whose babies are rolling, how soon after they started rolling on their side did they roll over? O seems to be lacking in the active department! He rolls side to side, he grabs at things placed on his chest, and chews on big things. But no signs of rolling, grabbing toys himself or anything like that. I worry that because he is swaddled I'm harming him!

Can you sense my mummy paranoia tonight?! Can you smell it?!!

TheDetective Mon 04-Mar-13 22:00:58

VQSA....!

Which works better... is that better for you grin?!!

TheDetective Mon 04-Mar-13 22:03:48

Oh, he grabs at toys on the playmat, but then these days, he won't go on there!

YellowWellies Mon 04-Mar-13 22:05:52

The tablets have to be dissolved in sterile water and given by oral syringe - I actually prefer giving them now than the liquid which is a bit viscous and can make him gag. The tablets are cheaper (don't be fobbed off with the gastro resistant ones - the MUPS ones are much better) so you're more likely to get them. Good luck. Poor O reflux is so unfair but you'll get him back to his jolly self once treated. Prop his cot head up too and feed upright to help the poor sausage xx

ValiumQueen Mon 04-Mar-13 22:08:57

VQFSA would be deserved I think!

J has yet to roll. He is too fat I think. He gets that from me.

Off to the land of nod hopefully. Fingers crossed for good sleeps everywhere.

YellowWellies Mon 04-Mar-13 22:09:24

Detective Jonas rolled at 14 weeks and is swaddled - I thought it might stop him crawling (I'm hoping - I don't want an early mover!!!) but it doesn't seem to have hampered his rolling - I think because he's little its easier for him to move maybe? O's clearly working on other stuff.

TheDetective Mon 04-Mar-13 22:10:33

YW Those things make him worse bizarrely enough. That is one of the reasons I dismissed it as being reflux a few weeks ago, because being flat improved the sickness! The night time when he was lay flat was the best time both for fuss free feeding and no vomiting.

<Bad baby not doing things by the book> grin

TheDetective Mon 04-Mar-13 22:13:06

O clearly is. Working on driving mummy potty! I feel like panpipe elf mum 24/7. A one woman band, full entertainment system. With surround sound!

Glad that the swaddling doesn't seem to be hampering the movements!

VQFSA has a ring to it don't you think wink.

Kyzordz Mon 04-Mar-13 22:21:30

det I don't swaddle and e still can't roll over. He loathes tummy time though I try to do it daily he manages 3 mins before full on crying ensues sad he can roll from back to side but has only done so a handful of times. Not sure where I'm going wrong with the tummy time tbh, been meaning to ask if anyone had any tips? vq I am going for fat as e's excuse too!

TheDetective Mon 04-Mar-13 22:24:18

See he has real lower body strength and head control. But not so much arm control. Flailing would be the appropriate word for them! If he did roll, he'd just roll on to his arms like a stranded whale and cry!

I might make him do push ups <ROFL> grin

PurplePidjin Mon 04-Mar-13 22:28:13

2 1/2 hours, the first stretch. Bloody hope this isn't it for the night!

Kyzordz Mon 04-Mar-13 22:30:25

Same here detective his legs have some power to them and he sits well with his head all screwed on right abs he CAN lift up when on his tummy, I have photos to prove it, but he just eats play mat and whines! His arms don't stay in the right place to hold him right, he flails pathetically!

Kyzordz Mon 04-Mar-13 22:31:53

FC for a longer next stretch pp!

Currently doing dream feed as if you couldnt tell by my over posting!

TheDetective Mon 04-Mar-13 22:37:53

Kyz That is where I find the breastfeeding pillow useful for tummy time! Or something rolled under his arms! Remember tummy time can be time spent on you too! Any time they are not on their back!

BigPigLittlePig Mon 04-Mar-13 22:38:58

kyz F is the same - face plants & squawks angrily whenever I try tummy time. She's ok if I wedge a pillow under her, but she obviously has puny arms like her mother which can't support her. Head control is superb though mainly from playing super-baby and swooping through the air

Must go up to bed soon.

PurplePidjin Mon 04-Mar-13 22:39:31

Thanks, I'm hoping this is a dream feed and he goes down for 4 hours+ now <hollow laugh>

MummaPanda Mon 04-Mar-13 22:41:14

YW my Nora has a little knitted elephant that she loves to hug, mainly because its trunk is same shape as her bottle teat! Shes always trying to get it in her mouth. Good for hand eye coordination I suppose!

DETECTIVE cant be much help really, Nora rolled from tummy to back over a month ago and within a week she had mastered both directions, but she doesn't twist she just kinda leans until she goes over. and moved straight on to rolling from back to belly off the bed

Kyzordz Mon 04-Mar-13 22:51:33

He does enjoy lying on my shins and being an aeroplane! He has good head control for that one smile he's a bit of a daredevil actually and likes if if you pretend to drop him--| He has a m&p tummy time cushion, he hates it. He has normal cushions, slightly better with those and he does do a bit every night when I massage him and do his talc so I guess that counts smile he doesn't like being held like a baby much so is always sort of, upright, head near my shoulder kind of thing, does that count too? He must spend at least 2 --bleddy hours a day like that!

Dream feed done, land of nod for me! Miss dp lots, but Friday will be here soon i hope

Kyzordz Mon 04-Mar-13 22:52:26

Oops! I broked my post blush

Contradictionincarnate Mon 04-Mar-13 23:01:16

glad I'm not the only one whose lo isn't rolling yet. don't think I'm doing enough to encourage her though!

TheDetective Mon 04-Mar-13 23:02:43

Yes it does Kyz!

DP was holding O on one of the bed pillows earlier and dropping him about 6 inches with the pillow, for a soft landing. O thought it was great fun!

Oh, I have to ask this! Does anyone elses babies only laugh at new things? Not the things that made them laugh before?! You have to find something new to get giggles from him. You just get the raised eyebrow and disappointed look if you try any of that old stuff that is just so yesterday!

Finickity bugger!

Contradictionincarnate Mon 04-Mar-13 23:07:21

that's another thing dd has only really laughed once too... 13 wks tommorow!

fruitpastilles Mon 04-Mar-13 23:08:03

S still isn't rolling either, she will be 16 weeks tomorrow. Glad others aren't either I thought she was behind!

Contradictionincarnate Mon 04-Mar-13 23:23:19

anyone else Still only feeding to sleep? ... ie. not self settling?
if you are self settling what is your routine and is that in own room?

Elizadoesdolittle Tue 05-Mar-13 00:15:01

Just catching up on thread. After today's initial excitement of the weight gain not much has happened. Had a visit this afternoon from the in laws and DD1 and since then I've been mainly eating mini eggs. Supposed to be the hottest day of the year here so far tomorrow so I hope to get outside for a bit.

contra re self settling, I used to feed E to sleep whilst at home but since we've been in hospital she's had to do a fair amount of self settling. I've just been putting her in the cot when she's awake but sleepy, putting on Ewan and she drops off. It's funny as I hardly use Ewan at home but he's worked a treat here.

I meant to go to sleep between E's 9pm and 1am feed but I ended up watching one day and it wasn't worth going to sleep by the time that finished. E has been sound asleep since 10pm so im silly really. I'm contemplating going for a cuppa but don't want it to keep me awake. Mind you it's going to be another hour or so yet that I can get some sleep so won't hurt I guess.

Elizadoesdolittle Tue 05-Mar-13 00:24:51

I went to the parent room and there was a man in there....shock horror! I felt a bit weird in my state of undress and hospitals at night are a bit creepy I think so I bought the tea back to my room. I feel very naughty!

ValiumQueen Tue 05-Mar-13 01:29:19

3 hours. Ho hum. Was having a really odd dream so quite glad to be woken up really.

A day of just me, J and the housework today. Looking forward to it.

LuisGarcia Tue 05-Mar-13 01:55:00

Am I too late to join this thread?

Nippercat is 2 1/2 this week and has never slept. Nipperkitten was born 21112 and sleeps beautifully but her favouritest bed of all is my arms so I'm often up late.

Contradictionincarnate Tue 05-Mar-13 02:34:53

welcome Luis
2 hours tonight! she is now greadily eating like I have been starving her! Sunday night was 11 hours ... will I ever understand this baby?,

Contradictionincarnate Tue 05-Mar-13 02:39:00

oh and thanks Eliza I have a turtle (as opposed to a ewan) which worked at the beginning.

Contradictionincarnate Tue 05-Mar-13 03:02:50

back to bed ... transfer time

Lilliana Tue 05-Mar-13 03:08:36

4 1/2 hours for first ( and longest stretch) so not too bad i suppose.

Contradiction i feed to sleep. L will not self settle preferring to cry or chat to herself rather than simply shut her eyes. I know i should put her down sleepy etc but it is such a battle (lazy)

VQ we are having a cleaning at home day tomorrow too.

Welcome Luis!

Kyz think all much t time suggestions have been given already.

L doesn't giggle sad she is 13 weeks so a bit younger than some <grasps at straws> getting worried she just doesn't find me funny.

Hope more people are getting good sleep.

CandyPop Tue 05-Mar-13 03:15:42

contra I still feed LO to sleep, not much choice , she just falls asleep by the end of the 8pm feed and we then transfer her upstairs. She may stir a little in between and my wake a bit, and if she does we turn on Ewan and more often she goes back to sleep.

Can't remember who mentioned laughing .. detective ? My LO rarely laughs out loud. She smiles loads makes gestures like she's laughing silently but to actually laugh out loud she also needs to see something new... Bloody hard work to get a loud giggle from her! In fact I will post a video of one she made at the weekend on Facebook

Erm I'm sure I has more to say but I still have baby brain and memory like a sieve !

Right , LO is a sleep after first night feed ... Hoping its going to be the only one and the next one to be at 7am !! If so then it seems we have finally clear of the sleep regression we had last week! Fingers crossed !

StuntNun Tue 05-Mar-13 03:19:59

Contra J feeds to sleep then wakes up when I try to sneak away. He is terrible at self-settling. I managed to put him down asleep yesterday at 7 after an hour of crying and he slept for 45 minutes then woke up crying. I was quick enough to get the dummy in and he slept for another 45 minutes. This time I wasn't quick enough and we had another hour if whinging before DH got him over to sleep. He can't seem to settle himself to sleep just gets more and more upset. Still we got five hours between feeds tonight which was a relief. I hope he'll sleep at least some of the rest of the night.

I'm off to the breastfeeding support group today. I'm not sure why since I'm still thinking about giving up at 16 weeks but it's so painful. I thought J's tongue tie had resolved because he can stick his tongue out now but I'm still getting pain in feeding. May have to invest in more Lanisoh if only it weren't so expensive.

Detective try lifting O up high then putting his tummy against the top of your head and turn your head from side to side. This always gets a laugh out of J although you risk a bit of puke!

TheDetective Tue 05-Mar-13 04:45:49

Stunt that has gotten a laugh too! First and only time as usual! Contrary much?!

5 hours. Good. On to the right track. Hoping this is the only feed.

Difference tonight? Extra layer of blanket and dentinox on bedtime bottle.

Fucking fucking hell the fucking teat is blocked AGAIN. The only way to unblock is to leave a screaming baby and go rinse it with water from kettle. Arrrrrrrgggghhhhhhhhhhh.

TheDetective Tue 05-Mar-13 04:46:49

angry angry angry

TheDetective Tue 05-Mar-13 04:52:25

Blocked again. I'm fucking raging. angry

TheDetective Tue 05-Mar-13 05:01:51

I'm crying. O is screaming. FP is downstairs slamming round the kitchen sterilising an avent bottle.

Fucking NUK are going to get a piece of my mind in the later morning. They were fine Friday/Saturday/Sunday so what the FUCK is wrong with them now?????

TheDetective Tue 05-Mar-13 05:05:23

sad sad sad sad sad sad

Elizadoesdolittle Tue 05-Mar-13 05:10:08

Well just woken E for her 5am feed. God it feels horrible waking her up. She was absolutely sparko, as was I! Still I got 3 hrs sleep in between feeds and hopefully I will go back off for a couple of hours.

detective grrrrr. You're using the latex teats right? You're not supposed to put sterilise those in a steam one or boiling water if I remember rightly are you. How do you sterilise them?

PurplePidjin Tue 05-Mar-13 05:12:20

<pats Det absent-mindedly>

1 1/2. 1 1/2. 1. 4the feed of the night, and he seems to genuinely be feeding, not just there for the hell of it iyswim.

Chances of him going back after this? Two. Slim and fat.

TheDetective Tue 05-Mar-13 05:13:18

They are the silicone ones Eliza sad and steam sterilised.

O has cried himself to sleep before the avent bottle is ready. I'm off to do the same now. sad

Lilliana Tue 05-Mar-13 05:52:02

Sorry detective sounds very stressful sad hope you are all getting some sleep now.

1 1/2 hours and up again. We seem to get our longest stint at the beginning and then anything goes. If L thinks she is getting up for the day she has another think coming.

Pp sounds like a rough night. Will he sleep better with you? Might be worth it so you both get some sleep. We did this with L when her sleeping was worst. She would do 1/2 hour in the cot but 3+ on me. Wasn't the best sleep but better than what i had been getting. After 4-5 nights we went back to putting her in her cot and she has slept better since. Think she kind of needed her body clock resetting.

Eliza it seems wrong to wake a sleeping baby but at least you know it is working

ValiumQueen Tue 05-Mar-13 06:12:27

Another 4 hrs so not bad really. My day starts now. Girls up and singing. J feeding. DH snoring. J has done a poo so will change him shortly. He does not want to start his day yet. He should have stayed asleep then!

Odd dreams continue. Cannot describe, but very odd.

ValiumQueen Tue 05-Mar-13 06:15:33

detective very annoying! Does the packaging on bottle say anything about thicker milks?

ValiumQueen Tue 05-Mar-13 06:16:59

We have not heard from cat for a while, have we? Hope you are ok buddy x

TheDetective Tue 05-Mar-13 06:23:39

Nope sad

I'm still awake. Seething. Must calm down...

Yes. Where are you cat? maybe the net is fucked??

PurplePidjin Tue 05-Mar-13 06:25:51

Lil, i can't move for the cricked neck if we co sleep sad and it makes no appreciable difference that i can see when we've tried.

StuntNun Tue 05-Mar-13 06:30:48

Detective you could try widening the hole in the teat with a hot needle. It's not recommended because of the risk of leaving jagged bits of silicone around the hole that could detach but if you were careful you could try it.

J is asleep on me, DH is downstairs and there is NO TEA! I want DH to bring me tea and take J away and change his nappy. What are my chances? Considers phoning DH to tell him to get his arse up here but he's probably having breakfast. There's an in-joke in the Stunt household: "I spy with my little eye something beginning with T." "Mummy! Mummy begins with tea."

kirrinIsland Tue 05-Mar-13 06:38:51

Welcome Luis

We feed to sleep contra (and she doesn't roll yet either!) I know I need to put a stop to it but when her sleep is so poor anyway I just can't face doing anything that will make it harder <lazy>

pidj hope you got back to sleep. They have to start sleeping soon right? Right? <slightly desperate emoticon>

detective that sounds crap. That's because of the thicker milk I assume?

Right, transfer time. Might get 5 minutes sleep before DD1 wakes up.

Contradictionincarnate Tue 05-Mar-13 06:41:11

stunt t ha ha grin
det aw! sad and grrr angry big hug
I'm up again so no long stint was planning on going to town like a human! don't want to do this tired alone incase I leave dd on a train or something. As its Cardiff it seems like it must be respected you can't just pop in.
I know that's messed up something from my childhood when I lived further away...trip to the big city was scary and meant planning and being v careful.
text my friend last night to say I maybe coming in and could meet her but now I can't tell her I'm not cos she in effect told me off last time I text her early and said it woke her up. was feeding and text her at 5 thought she would have her phone off.

Contradictionincarnate Tue 05-Mar-13 06:50:04

oh and glad too its not just me feeding to sleep. I'm just still doing what I can to get through day and night - not that I don't have fun.
still can't help feeling - and influenced by lots of books - that I should be more organised with everything -less lazy- and should be putting dd down at certain times waking her up at certain times. if she slept 11 hours every night then it would be easy to start to say right I'm going to wake her earlier every day. how can she go 11 hours one night then 2.5 and 4 the next?
sorry I know no-one can answer this!

PetiteRaleuse Tue 05-Mar-13 06:51:24

Right, I'm going to try mashed up banana today. Have decided her first food should not be carrots, and that is the only suitable vegetable I have in.

Good morning everyone - sweary Wednesday tomorrow. Going to be a beautiful day here again.

Pennie there's loads to do, depends on what you like smile the wine making area by the river is nice, Little Switzerland is good for walking, and the lake at Echtnernach is pushchair friendly. Lux City is pretty child friendly and has some nice parks - the valley in the city is lovely too. If you're arriving today it's beautiful weather. There are a few nice places the French and German side of the border too.

PetiteRaleuse Tue 05-Mar-13 06:52:18

Problem with the sun is we can see the dirt on the windows and the dust on the floor and furniture.

Contradictionincarnate Tue 05-Mar-13 06:53:16

grin grin grin grin oh and an idea!? * as lots of newbies etc think we should post on fbook sight a pic of us and lo with a little bit about us and our nickname so everyone knows who we are? What do you think? grin grin grin grin grin grin grin

PetiteRaleuse Tue 05-Mar-13 07:06:21

I have mashed up a quarter of a banana - the dog ate the rest. We're starting by smelling it.

glendathefedupwitch Tue 05-Mar-13 07:07:42

vq ahhhhh to have handy skills - in sure you could make one v easily - it's like a banana shape with long bits either end to tie around waist - it's filled with the polystyrene beads which have flattened over past 4 months so have ordered a new insert of poly beads.

Dottie has rolled from front to back a couple of times by accident

Dottie has has a couple of cute laugh out loud moments but they are very rare and never on camera lol

stunt what kind of pain are you experiencing when bf'ing?? I still get pain on latch and believe its from vasospasm - I either end up with purple nipples or blanched white ones!!

glendathefedupwitch Tue 05-Mar-13 07:14:21

Oh and no self settling here either she either feeds to sleep, falls a sleep over my shoulder or in the car seat. We tried her in the cot on her tummy last week and she almost self settled then the dog came up clip clopping on the laminate floor grrrrrr so will keep trying that but I can't complain as she consistently sleeps well at night

PetiteRaleuse Tue 05-Mar-13 07:28:11

I'll try and record LO screeching and laughing at some point. It's funny, but painful on the poor ears.

Well she has had a tiny bit of banana. Funny series of facial expressions. Interest, confusion, dislike, hmmm it's ok, oh I quite like that, more please, same patter again, and that was enough for this morning.

StuntNun Tue 05-Mar-13 08:11:48

Glenda J doesn't latch on properly, he just hoovers the nipple into his mouth. Also he tends to come off the breast repeatedly, sometimes without letting go first. And he rubs his head from side to side. So with the frequent feeding lately my nips are shredded. I seem to spend all day feeding and changing eight dirty nappies a day, it's like he's a newborn rather than a four-month old baby.

glendathefedupwitch Tue 05-Mar-13 08:14:52

Awwwwww stunt that's sounds painful - D does the whole stretching nipple and pushing my boob away with her hands at the same time ouch!!! - hope bf group can give you some help x

BigPigLittlePig Tue 05-Mar-13 08:39:03

<stumbles on with matchsticks at the ready>

I remember why I don't like going out in the evenings. It's because it totally stuffs up the nights. Snuffly, windy, poonami baby in my bed since 2.

thanks to detective and pp and anyone else whose name I can't remember who had a rubbish night.

F doesn't laugh, roll over or self-settle. I keep telling myself it's because she's only 9 weeks corrected. Actually she does laugh sometimes. In her sleep hmm

Thick fog here today so no cleaning needed, no chance of seeing any dust!

sweetpea1112 Tue 05-Mar-13 08:44:00

Morning all,

Sorry to hear of bad nights. brew to those in need.

Bad night here too, but am pretty sure it was due to him not feeding enough in the day yesterday. Feeds fine at night but getting fussy with the bottle in the day. Giving size two teats a try today to see if that helps. Third time lucky as the previous two attempts have made him very sicky.

My ultimate aim is for O to have all daytime naps in the cot rather than on me, so have decided to start with morning naps for a few weeks. Two attempts later and he has been asleep in his cot for 35 mins so far, giving me time for breakfast so I'm happy with that.

Beautiful day here today <sunshine emoticon>

<sidles onto the thread>

Babylaughalot went down at 9.30 and didn't wake until 4.20 for a feed! Best ever stretch of sleep shock

<backs away slowly>

Lilliana Tue 05-Mar-13 09:39:51

Stunt we have the same - hoover latch (great description I never knew how to describe it!) pulling back without letting go, head rubbing = ouch! No idea how to stop it. If I unlatch her to latch on properly she goes straight back to how she likes it.

Sweet I need to do the same but it seems another battle and it's easier to sit and let her sleep on me! <lazy mummy> Will try today but she only sleeps for half hour max and wakes grumpy as she's still tired but refuses to go back down.

Having a day at home today smile

YellowWellies Tue 05-Mar-13 09:40:51

Morning all. Great idea about the FB pics / intros given we've had an influx of newbies and I'm rubbish at remembering real names to screen names. I need to put some more pics of the wee man online - now I'm on the tablet not my macbook am rubbish at putting pics up!

Ouch Stunt Jonas does that hoover thing sometimes its fecking agony!!!

Sorry have been rubbish at keeping up - can anyone repost the mother care jumperoo code - a pal is looking for one and money off is always good!

Boo to the current sleepy dust shortage. sad

ValiumQueen Tue 05-Mar-13 09:43:20

Great news miss of course it will probably be another month before that happens again grin

stunt ask your GP for Lanisoh on prescription and if they say no, threaten to stop bfing. Many GPs give it.

I have two new minky bamboo nappies in leopard print. Have been sat stroking my face with them (not yet used ) and they are lush!!! (Simple things)

Elizadoesdolittle Tue 05-Mar-13 09:53:46

Is it sweary Wednesday yet? Oh cunt balls, it's only Tuesday! Consultant has been round and thinks its acceptable to keep us in here for fucking ever. I know they need to put a long term plan into place but for fucks sake they should start doing that now! Have a 3 year old that needs me too and whilst she is being looked after that can't go on for much longer! Whenever I mention a timescale for getting out of here they just look at me as if I'm fucking insane for even daring to ask! Ahhhhhhhhh angryangryangryangry

Right, now that rants over I agree with the fb idea. I know the regular posters names (mainly, when my brains working). Mine will be easy though, I'm the one still in fucking hospital!!

Yep VQ not thinking it'll happen again any time soon but very, very grateful for last night!

Contra I'm still feeding to sleep, although now I'm not so careful about trying to keep her asleep when I transfer her to the cot. I'm now trying to wake her slightly so she goes down in the cot when she's sleepy, and then try to help her self settle back to sleep if that makes sense?

glendathefedupwitch Tue 05-Mar-13 09:54:28

3rd lot of jabs today so will have a nice stroll in the sunshine!!!

Anyone good at drawing?? I need an outline of a ladybird either side on or view from the top - I got a plain spare cover for my cushion and was going to glam it up with a big ladybird made from buttons but am shite at art!!!

Big blue skies today. We are off to the park this afternoon.

Wish it wasn't such a mission putting on two snowsuits, lugging the double buggy from the car, 2 trips up and down the stairs carrying babies. It tires me out before we have even left the house!

CandyPop Tue 05-Mar-13 09:59:46

Another Hoover latcher here! She's also getting nosey whilst feeding and loses focus and starts looking round with my nipple still in mouth..OUCH!!

BigPigLittlePig Tue 05-Mar-13 10:00:17

Eliza have they said whether they would let you feed E via the tube at home? Sorry you're feeling so frustrated.

misslaughalot envy is all

F still won't nap anywhere sensible during the day. If I need her have a proper nap, I have to resign myself to anything up to 2 hours on the sofa. Whenever I try to get her to sleep on her own, she wakes up grumpy within 5 minutes. Not sure what the solution is.

Contradictionincarnate Tue 05-Mar-13 10:03:29

I'm pants too Glenda should be one online? make sure you get a British one with a few dots not one of the foreign multi dot ones ... they are eating ours"!! I sound like a daily mail reader for ladybirds probably but its not the same with insects surely?
I'm up again its a nice day ... not sure whether to go to the big city or not??

ValiumQueen Tue 05-Mar-13 10:07:38

Sorry eliza that is pants sad

glenda google images is your friend.

ValiumQueen Tue 05-Mar-13 10:08:42

'Ladybird outline drawing' gives lots.

TooManyDicksOnTheDancefloor Tue 05-Mar-13 10:12:52

I've got a tube of lansinoh if you want it stunt, I used it for the first two weeks but haven't used it since. PM me if you want it, for free of course smile

I think Bronwen is broken now, crisp night here, boo! She also can't roll and doesn't giggle. She grins and makes a high pitched noise if that counts?

Evilwater Tue 05-Mar-13 10:13:58

Sorry to read about the long and fretful nights. brew

N was wonderful, and slept from 8- 730. Bliss. The sun is shinning, and there is a blue sky. I'm off for a shower, then for a walk up the old railway.

Evil

TooManyDicksOnTheDancefloor Tue 05-Mar-13 10:21:49

Does anyone know why you shouldn't steam sterilise latex teats? I've been steam steralising the NUK one I have confused.

Welcome to the new ladies smile

BigPigLittlePig Tue 05-Mar-13 10:28:46

Just had to rescue the cat. He was sat on top of the washing line post, very uncomfortably, with the neighbours cat lying on the ground at the foot of the post looking very smug. DH thought our cat was the local bully. It would appear this is not the case. Cat now asleep on radiator, looking much happier. Idiot.

Ooh we have Hoover latch too and he pinches or tugs breast away while sucking - ouch. I have to hold his hands down and support my breast all while MNing.

We had a slightly better night. Weird dreams here too.

Rolling and laughing: L doesn't roll yet. His t time is much improved but he isn't trying to roll at all (more like swim!). At night he used to roll to his side but he can't in the sleeping bag. I think I should give him more floor time so he has space to explore. He has an ace laugh but only for the last few weeks and like Det the novelty wears off although last week's chuckles still get a big beam. He seems to fight laughter which is so cute as it sort of bubbles out.

Contradictionincarnate Tue 05-Mar-13 10:39:59

ok... so I have done a profile on fbook who is next? I am busily expressing away the milk dd wanted so that I can go to a friends bday meal Friday...making out its for her benefit she definitely isn't buying that!,

ValiumQueen Tue 05-Mar-13 10:40:42

Latex more likely to perish with extreme heat.

MummaPanda Tue 05-Mar-13 10:44:35

Well I'm feeling alot better today. Nora slept 7 n half hrs last night, not as good as the 10 she was before, but much better than the 4 or less every other night this week. Sorry ladies, guess I hogged all the baby sleepy dust.

MummaPanda Tue 05-Mar-13 10:45:49

Oh and can someone link the fb thing?

Elizadoesdolittle Tue 05-Mar-13 10:47:50

bp I did ask that and it is possible but I'd have to be referred to a different home care team as this hospitals one doesn't cover the area I live in. I said perhaps they should do that now then to get the ball rolling but it's all bloody wait and see! I'm running out of patience!

Still I've just spoken to my in laws and put plans in place to have DD1 taken care of until Monday and surely I will be out by then! Was supposed to be going away with my girls and a friend on Saturday for a week. Looks like that won't happen hmm but it's only in Sussex so hopefully I'll get there for at least a couple of days.

Elizadoesdolittle Tue 05-Mar-13 10:48:10

bp I did ask that and it is possible but I'd have to be referred to a different home care team as this hospitals one doesn't cover the area I live in. I said perhaps they should do that now then to get the ball rolling but it's all bloody wait and see! I'm running out of patience!

Still I've just spoken to my in laws and put plans in place to have DD1 taken care of until Monday and surely I will be out by then! Was supposed to be going away with my girls and a friend on Saturday for a week. Looks like that won't happen hmm but it's only in Sussex so hopefully I'll get there for at least a couple of days.

kissyfur Tue 05-Mar-13 11:01:00

Sorry to hear that Eliza

I am baffled by LO at the moment. One minute she is fine the next she is screaming blue murder, and she seems to have decided she doesn't want to feed in the mornings?! I've just had to express some off both boobs as they felt like they were going to explode!? Could there be something wrong with my milk? It seems to have a slight greenish tinge to it?! Only v slight but sure it's there. she doesn't want to be held but cries when she's on her mat or bouncer? Feel at my wits end today sadsad

Good idea about the fb group contra I will post later when I can get a nice pic of me and LO

Kyzordz Tue 05-Mar-13 11:11:16

Before I forget and whilst e is quiet detective is it the teats or are there clumps in the powder? The problem I had was that the powder is difficult to mix particularly if the water is as warm as the company says on the packet the powder is a bit of a bitch to get to dissolve. I make bottles, shake vigorously and put in fridge, when it comes to warming them I zap them in the microwave then pour through a mini sieve to make sure of no lumps. I make and store feeds in avent bottles then use mam bottles, partly cos of the sieving business and also because the mam bottles are self sterilising, very thick and take forever to warm up! Does that make sense? It sounds a faff but ensures non lumpy warm feeds and takes 1:30 as that's how long microwave takes! He hates drinking from avent bottles so have to use mams but this system works for us

Have more to reply to but wanted to say something to you det as you sound awfully stressed! Hugs, sorry if making little sense but feeding e now as he started screaming halfway through message!

glendathefedupwitch Tue 05-Mar-13 11:13:54

Contra - I've posted on fb with pic - it's from a couple of months ago and has reminded me that even though I hate pics of me I have none of me with the other 2dc and desperately wanted some of me and dottie but I always look rough

Thanks vq hadn't even thought of that!! Good old google!!

Eliza hope you get home soon!!!

Dottie pinches, grabs and pummels boob, stretches nipple, talks with a mouthful and twists her head round still attached!! I've ordered a nursing necklace off eBay to start focussing her attention!!

Had 3rd jabs without much ado, even though the previous baby was I. The waiting room literally screaming the place down, made me very nervous and feeling awful as Dottie was all smiley and beaming at everyone. But she had a yell at the meningitis one as that's ouchy one but a cuddle calmed her down and she even smiled athe nurse before leaving bless!!!

ShellyBobbs Tue 05-Mar-13 11:16:03

Oh eliza I'm so sorry you're both stuck in there with no green light for coming home, she is doing amazingly well.

Tommy was put on his playmat and has decided that the fun thing to do is ignore all toys and roll on his side and watch me grin

detective Tommy hates tummy time too, he looks at me as if to say 'now what'. Sorry you're having so many feeding problems.

Was going to go to a playgrup that meets today at Ikea, but that's put the window as youngest daughter has spme kind pf virus.

ShellyBobbs Tue 05-Mar-13 11:17:19

Excuse typos, rubbish small keypad on new phone angry

Izzybuzzybuzzybees Tue 05-Mar-13 11:48:12

Well the feeding every three hours during the day did NOT help the night. In fact he instead decided that it was a good little routine and that three hourly feeds at night would be a great idea too!

He did however go to bed at 9pm and sleep til 1am so that's progress I suppose. He then fed at 4am and 7am. I have decided just to demand feed today so he hasn't fed since 7am so almost 5 hours. HV felt this was making him wake at night as he didn't feed enough during day but god only knows what I should do!!

Went to a weaning talk this morning. All advice was to wait til 6 months as recommended by WHO and NHS which is what I feel HV should have been advising. Funny thing is it was run by a dietician and another HV from the same team. I was tempted to go and complain about how forceful the other one had been but decided against it. Kinda wish I had now tho!

Contradictionincarnate Tue 05-Mar-13 11:54:11

Glenda what is a nursing necklace? I have given up eBay for lent!
I have nooo routine dd is sleeping on me now! ... I am sooo hungry and need to pop out but wanna enjoy this peace don't want to even risk putting boob away!

Contradictionincarnate Tue 05-Mar-13 11:57:42

izzy I found the same re trying to feed in the day did nothing going with the flow is much less stressful! though I'm concerned its not a long term plan! sad

Kyzordz Tue 05-Mar-13 12:12:06

kissy no idea on the tinge but sounds like you've had a stressy time of it sad I had a few days with e like that, how about taking her for a walk? Hope she chills out a bit for you soon!

My night was awful, he woke hourly to talk to his toys. Put him in with me at half five as got sick of gettig up and getting him to doze off only to wake within an hour!

E also isn't entertained by the same thing more than once usually. He vaguely giggles but it is suppressed like he doesn't want to! He beams big smiles but sound rarely escapes.

Hope you can go home soon eliza

Have a whingy day again it seems. Hope he snaps out of this soon, more time is spent whining than not.

Donnadoon Tue 05-Mar-13 12:35:37

Hello just marking my place smile

BigPigLittlePig Tue 05-Mar-13 12:37:34

What is it with the whingy babies? F's got a right cob on today. Still, have managed to make coconut macaroons and apple & cinammon muffins nom nom, whilst switching her between bumbo, pram and arm. She hasn't napped. And we have baby group later. She has a bit of a reputation at the group for screaming her way through the singing - because it's at the end and she's bloody knackered - today will be no different I'm sure.

My mum has a lovely pic of me and F from the weekend. Whenever I try to take one of the two of us I look drunk/stoned/ill/all 3 of the above. Will post the nice one when mum sends it to me!

PurplePidjin Tue 05-Mar-13 12:52:32

Hysterical baby got over tired. Hysterical baby is about to be transferred to his crib where he will sleep for three hours.

Mummy is ravenous!

PurplePidjin Tue 05-Mar-13 13:12:27

Hysterical baby was woken by the doorbell and my dad having a strop because i wasn't in earlier (he's fixing my leaky tap) apparently his unannounced visit is far more important than my exhaustion and R's needs angry

Attempt #2 in progress...

Kyzordz Tue 05-Mar-13 13:16:35

Good luck pp! E is asleep so I'm wolfing down lunch to make sure I can finish it before he wakes. There is something about grumpy babies and last nights crap sleep didn't help that makes a day very long and quite draining. Maybe they'll all be extra happy tomorrow --as if-

Oh I meant to say welcome to the newbie but can't for the life of me remember your name! Was it louis blush

MissMummy1 Tue 05-Mar-13 13:23:15

marking place. will catch up later. grumpy post jab monster here. waiting for dermatologist to do an emergency home visit after her allergic reaction at the weekend - see receptionist witch, it is fucking serious angry

'D'P is in the dog house this morning too. I am too angry to go into it but needless to say the man is a twat. Seriously considering my options and beginning to think M and I would do better on our own sad

Kyzordz Tue 05-Mar-13 13:40:27

Hope m is ok mm1, sorry your dp is being a twat too, hardly what you need with a post jab baby etc. how is her skin since the reaction?

E did 45 mins but wouldn't settle again despite being sleepy. Am now fucking pinned to the bastard sofa again. I keep telling him this octopus won't stuff itself!

sweetpea1112 Tue 05-Mar-13 13:50:05

Wow, grumpy babies galore today!

Just had a bad mummy meltdown moment. O woke from a nap screaming and would not stop for half an hour. So unlike him. Tried everything I could think of but he was hysterical. In the end I had to leave him in the room alone and shut the door sad blush Came back to him still screaming, crying real tears and still completely inconsolable. Starting to think something must be seriously wrong when he finally accepted a bottle on the fifth attempt and drank like he hadn't fed for a year.

Is now absolutely fine but I have left him to play on his mat while I eat lunch and remind myself that I do actually like him.

mm poor M has really been through it with her skin hasn't she, bless her thanks I completely sympathise with post-jab monsters and awful DP's so here are some more thanks

Kyzordz Tue 05-Mar-13 13:55:13

That isn't bad sweetpea you did the best thing. You put your baby somewhere safe and went to calm down. Screaming can really get to you (it gets to me probably more than it should ) and when at your wits end even a minute alone will allow you to get a breather and go back and try again. I think you handled it brilliantly smile Poor mite though - what do you think might be wrong? Perhaps a bad dream? If he's refluxy could it have been an attack of acid? Trapped wind maybe? How is he now?

sweetpea1112 Tue 05-Mar-13 13:58:06

I think he may have been over - hungry in the same way babies can melt down when over-tired and not sleep.

He is absolutely fine since he fed so that's my best guess really.

Little bugger grin

Kyzordz Tue 05-Mar-13 14:03:16

Entirely possible I think, LO has overslept before and woken up with an attack of the munchies. Glad he is ok now smile

Managed to extract my arm back, but cannot sew more legs as am not sure leaving him asleep on the sofa is a good idea. Bugger will decide he can roll over if I left him!

daisychain76 Tue 05-Mar-13 14:04:17

Marking place. Lost track halfway through last thread. Got to know who are the bfps??? Think another one at the moment would kill dh off!!

Kyzordz Tue 05-Mar-13 14:05:42

gtbaby and mummapanda are the only two mentalists I think (just kidding!)

ShellyBobbs Tue 05-Mar-13 14:08:03

We have a baby meltdown every night after tea. Screams like mad, then sobs for a bit, feeds and then is fine. You have to judge when it's safe to look at them again without the crying starting up again shock

ShellyBobbs Tue 05-Mar-13 14:10:31

I think my hubby would go a good week in stunned silence. Especially as we still haven't done it yet grin

TheDetective Tue 05-Mar-13 14:24:29

AAAARRRRRRRGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH.

That is all.

ValiumQueen Tue 05-Mar-13 14:27:57

Something vexes you detective ?

ValiumQueen Tue 05-Mar-13 14:29:21

I have done fuck all today, and enjoyed it. Well, I have taken care of J and took the kids to school and nursery, and done a load of washing, but the sink is still piled high and the house is a tip. Do I care? Do I fuck!

MissMummy1 Tue 05-Mar-13 14:33:43

Her skin's not great. Has flared up again today. Resigned myself to the fact it's going to take a while to get on top of it sad

Passmethecrisps Tue 05-Mar-13 14:45:44

Shitting hell ladies! I go away for one day and I come back to a finished thread and a new one 9 pages long!

Don't even have time to post anything now.

Laters!

TheDetective Tue 05-Mar-13 15:00:29

Right, off the phone now.

Poor poor O, he's given up feeding. He's putdownable, and happy because he won't fucking feed.

Am in a right state. Got a GP appt at 4, but have spent all day trying to get a feed in him, and anything that does go in comes straight back out.

Have been back to Boots with the bottles, got new ones.

Have been on the phone to SMA in desperation to find out what the fuck I am doing wrong.

Oh, got these www.nuby-uk.com/view-product?product_id=505. O likes them. Good for teething. Or a baby who just wants to chomp.

StuntNun Tue 05-Mar-13 15:00:56

Thanks for the offer Dicks but I found the tube I had from weeks ago (phew!)

Contra you may have given up eBay but I bet you haven't given up Etsy! Monkey Mama Necklaces has some lovely nursing necklaces for babies to fiddle with while feeding (breast or bottle).

The FB group is called Nov 12 Babies Panda and has a picture of a pregnant lady with a flower. You should be able to search for it.

I saw the breastfeeding specialist today at the support group. She reckons if J does have a tongue tie then it is a minor one however he is not latching on properly. She thinks as a result he is not feeding efficiently so he is coming off the breast before he has got enough hindmilk, hence the green nappies. So that is why he is feeding so frequently and having such long feeds. She did manage to get him latched on to me properly and he took a long feed after I thought he had finished. It was slightly painful because my nipple was sore from his recent feeds but it did feel a lot better than his normal hoover latch and he didn't keep slipping off.

Her recommendation was to Google Jack Newman lactation consultant as he has some good videos on technique. She also advised going back to basics with skin-to-skin contact, nose to nipple, holding him securely to me, and unlatching him when he latches incorrectly. She reckoned 48 hours would be enough to retrain him to latch on properly.

Pikz Tue 05-Mar-13 15:14:11

Lots of hugs to grumpy babies and gin for their mummies.

LO asleep in my arms. Need to leave for swimming in 30mins. Oops.

He was better last night but still two wake ups. He looks so angelic asleep I just fall in love with him all over again.

Det hoping you get a resolution very soon hmm

fruitpastilles Tue 05-Mar-13 15:17:30

Just back from taking S for her 3rd lot of jabs, she cried harder and longer than the last 2 times. She is now fast asleep on me, which in itself is unusual for her at this time of day, poor thing.

M and I have had a lazy day after not much sleep (due to DHs snoring rather than Ms feeding).
Done some housework, how come when you do one thing you see five other things that need doing. I've been list making and it's never ending. How do people keep on top of things? I've been doing a bit a day but its bigger things that need doing and I don't want M to just sit there watching me do a deep clean of the kitchen etc grin

I've also got loads of things to get rid of, clothes that were hardly worn, house stuff hardly used, where's best? I'm going to do some ebaying but wondered if there was somewhere better I could sell things?

<off to catch up>

BigPigLittlePig Tue 05-Mar-13 15:30:01

Epic meltdown with heart-rending sobs and oodles of tears, as predicted. She then proceeded to sleep through half of the group before waking to cry for the songs.

We are now home though, sat in my comfy armchair with the french doors open and sunshine streaming in, and the laundry outside for the first time this year. Fingers crossed LO stays asleep after this feed so I can enjoy the sun and a cake

sweetpea you don't deserve a bad mummy award at all, it is far safer to clear your head for a minute and go back to the screaming baby calmer than to get hot/sweaty/increasingly cross. Glad LO has settled now though, it's awful when they get all worked up like that and you can't work out why.

stunt I'm so pleased things might be looking up on the feeding front
detective and mm - good luck with the doctors appointments

Funny feeling that sweary Wednesday will be welcomed with open arms, no?

ValiumQueen Tue 05-Mar-13 15:35:08

Would folks object if we put things on our FB page for sale? It could be that one person is getting rid of something that another member is looking for? Obviously not to taking-the-piss levels...

detective hugs x

PurplePidjin Tue 05-Mar-13 15:35:10

Attempt #2 failed, but he's been an angel for daddy so i did at least manage to get a break in the bath!

I'm right on the edge, he needs to let me sleep tonight, just a little bit. Please?

sweetpea1112 Tue 05-Mar-13 15:59:25

VQ great idea re the fb page. No objections here.

ValiumQueen Tue 05-Mar-13 16:00:23

PP can your DH look after him for a few hours tonight, with a bottle or two to let you rest?

fruitpastilles Tue 05-Mar-13 16:00:56

VQ no objections here.

Has anyone got any tips on getting calpol into LO? She just spat dribbled it all out!

ValiumQueen Tue 05-Mar-13 16:01:05

We are not allowed to advertise children for sale though. That would be wrong grin

ValiumQueen Tue 05-Mar-13 16:01:35

Not even on BOGOF

fruitpastilles Tue 05-Mar-13 16:06:08

Damn I'd just boxed her up ready! See Facebook grin

ValiumQueen Tue 05-Mar-13 16:06:13

Or exchange.

ValiumQueen Tue 05-Mar-13 16:09:34

Very good fruit grin

PurplePidjin Tue 05-Mar-13 16:14:17

VQ I'd be able to hear the screaming, it's not a very big flat.

I don't want to sell him, just need sleep so i can face all the other shit

StuntNun Tue 05-Mar-13 16:20:47

Fruit I got a syringe thingy with the Calpol. I just squirt it out slowly into the back of the cheek and leave the dropper in his mouth until he's swallowed it all. Not sure how to do it with just a spoon though.

TheDetective Tue 05-Mar-13 16:27:41

Right. Sat in drs ready to kick some ass!

VQ yes that's a good idea. I've often thought about it myself as I'm sure with clothes and reusables and stuff some babies will grow out of stuff an others just be growing in to them! I was thinking about passing on the bumbo at first when he didn't like it. He seems to have accepted it more now.

Damn this didn't post ^^

Anyway, out of GPs now. Got Omeperazole no problem when I asked. Only problem is the chenmist say it's a special order item and they can't get it til tomorrow and no chemist can. <bangs head against brick wall while crying>.

Lilliana Tue 05-Mar-13 16:30:45

Sleep and grizzles today. She went down to sleep in cot no problem, wide awake 30 mins later, no problem. Grizzled and fell asleep on me 20 mins later = me stuck to the sofa for an hour - why didn't you just stay asleep until you weren't tired anymore? Just hoping good sleeping in the day = good sleeping at night

Sweet def not bad mummy, best thing to do when you get to that point. 10mins won't hurt LO and it gives you chance to get yourself together so you can go and sort them out calmly.

VQ no objections here either. Does anyone have a large bucket of sleepy dust for sale?

Fruit I do the same as Stunt but do find it difficult to do it slowly as syringe thing doesn't work smoothly, L takes it ok though. LO looks v cute in the box grin

glendathefedupwitch Tue 05-Mar-13 17:18:37

I posted early but pissing app ate it and now its hours later I can't remember crap!!! Oh bf'ing necklace off eBay to stop her yanking my nipples round when someone walks in the room!!!

Her jabs have made her unhappy, she just wants feeds and cuddles - I gave her calpol by syringe but as she always spits it out I gave her a clean finger to suck as soon as putting a bit in her mouth which worked!! How come she can suck my boob or finger for comfort for hours but won't entertain any of the 3 different dummies?? I really think she could master self settling if I could detach a nipple or finger!!!

My placement uniform has arrived eeek it's huge around the boobs but tight on the bum n tum so the diet starts today!!! got until end of may to lose a lot so we got sea bass, salad n new potatoes for tea nom nom then lots of fruit to replace the crisps n chocolate we munch in front of tv!!! Got to start drinking lots of water yuk and give up my Capri sun addiction!!!

detective hugs for you & O hope you see an improvement soon - will he take the formula you had before the stay down??

YellowWellies Tue 05-Mar-13 17:36:25

Detective glad you're getting the omeperazole - wish I lived local would have gladly popped round a few tablets to see you through sad Give it a couple of weeks and you should see a massive improvement. If it persists you might need a dairy / soy free formula. Its awful - reflux screams break my heart. This too shall pass and all that.

MM Any news from the dermatologist? You're having a rough time of it at the mo - come round for a cuppa / walk in the sun if you fancy.

VQ great idea on the sale board on FB!

All good here, wee man a bit grizzly with teeth and did the biggest buttock reverberating fart in baby massage today - have never put his nappy on so quick blush . 3rd jabs on Thurs - dreading it sad

BigPigLittlePig Tue 05-Mar-13 17:52:37

Grumpy baby has morphed into VERY HAPPY baby. Why? Because I've taken her clothes off. Am I breeding a future nudist??

Elizadoesdolittle Tue 05-Mar-13 17:57:38

Well E seems to remain a mystery baby. The speech therapist cannot work out why she has this adversion to the bottle or in fact anything going near her mouth which isn't a boob. So this afternoon she had some pureed banana. Now I know E is only just over 16 weeks and in normal circumstances I would not let this happen. With DD1 I waited till she was 6 months and did BLW so this is completely alien to me. However I think it's safe to say these aren't normal circumstances. She only had a very tiny bit but she didn't cry and looked intrigued. It seems like we may be able to go home with the tube in but it still won't be for a couple of days yet.

detective hope o is ok x

vq that's fine with me re fb, good idea. Loving all the photos by the way.

stunt was going to say something to you but can't remember for the life of me what it was. Sorry!

TheDetective Tue 05-Mar-13 18:17:28

Thanks ladies. Spent most of the day crying. blush

Waiting for chemist to drop the losec MUPS off as alternative. Phew. O has still not fed since 4am and that was 3 oz. Fucksticks.

I have one word for you all! Jumperoo! It is great, the girls love it!

DT2 gets grouchy and wants holding at around 5:15 as she is tired. Plonked them in the Jumperoos for the first time and they were entertained for 20 whole minutes! DT1 was fascinated with the flashing lights and music and DT2 jumped like a child possessed!

With the combination of the Jumperoos, a swing in the park, a long walk and a bath, they are both now conked out.

Going back to catch up now.

ShellyBobbs Tue 05-Mar-13 18:50:11

Hugs Detective you must be at your wits end sad

Tommy did the biggest poo I've ever seen before. It covered his back completely, was all over his arms and on his hair shock A yellow bath later and back to my sweet smelling baby smile

TheDetective Tue 05-Mar-13 18:51:41

He still won't feed.

The teat isn't blocked. He sucks, then pulls away screaming and spitting up the what I've given him.

TheDetective Tue 05-Mar-13 18:52:28

Have rubg nhsdirect but seems a waste of time.

StuntNun Tue 05-Mar-13 19:00:22

Please don't worry Detective, O has reserves to get him through a short time without food. It won't do him any harm. I hope you get an answer soon. Have you tried him on his old milk?

PetiteRaleuse Tue 05-Mar-13 19:02:53

Hugs and thanks Detective

sweetpea1112 Tue 05-Mar-13 19:04:56

Oh Detective I'm sorry, I have no words of advice only support thanks

glendathefedupwitch Tue 05-Mar-13 19:07:14

Detective - have got some of the old formula?? Try that?? On a spoon/cup/syringe?? Maybe he has an aversion to the stay down milk?? Sorry that's all I can think of!!! Hope you get something down him soon xxx

Evilwater Tue 05-Mar-13 19:20:48

Detective - thinking of you. You must be beside your self. thanks

To all the mums having a hard time, have a wine or brew. N has been grumpy most of the day too. At least we got a walk in the sunshine.

Evil

Pikz Tue 05-Mar-13 19:28:06

Oh det, huge hugs and for O. I can only imagine. All I could suggest is some warm ready made normal formula? When LO isn't right he takes this better than anything else.

TheDetective Tue 05-Mar-13 19:33:01

I just went to get DP from work. I was taking O to A&E. Showed DP what he had been like. Little fucker took 3oz and went to sleep.

Relieved but hmm typical. Look like a paranoid wreck now.

Will try and feed him in 3 hours again.

I've no idea how the omeperazole works, but maybe it's kicked in? I tried feeding him 30 minutes after it, but it was an hour before he took the feed.

I've not no instructions on it.

<sob>

Glenda, tried other formula to no avail. He just spat that out too.

ChunkyChicken Tue 05-Mar-13 19:47:53

F'ING HELL.10 pgs already??!!!

Quick marking spot type post so I don't get completely lost!!!

New Forest is FAB.Eliza fantastic weight gain news.

Catch you on the next thread I expect wink

horseylady Tue 05-Mar-13 19:49:01

det hugs. Must be a huge worry. If it continues then go to a&e but great he's eaten. Just keep offering little and often.

eliza hugs to you too!! Hope you get home soon and the support in place.

Fairly sure there are lots more?!
mm what's he done now?! I'm sure he loves you both very much.

Brain can't remember!! Sorry!!

Busy day here, loving the sun!!!! Shame it's rain tomorrow sad boooooo

YellowWellies Tue 05-Mar-13 19:53:50

Detective it turns off the proton pumps which make stomach acid - it seems to sooth pretty instantly but you won't get a major effect for 12 hours or so as the pumps make the acid overnight. Remember when administering that you must give the same dose each day or an increase if needed as he grows (its highly weight sensitive) - you can't reduce the dose without causing a lot of pain as you'll flood his system with acid - its something that they can only be weaned off very very carefully. I'm so sorry you're going through this its horrible and terrifying. I know how upsetting this is to watch - it will get easier my dear sad I'm glad he's had a wee feed - fingers crossed he'll take more. For you biscuit wine brew thanks

MadamGazelleIsMyMum Tue 05-Mar-13 20:08:18

chunky I am the same as you, I am really struggling to keep up with everything and everyone.

detective I second what horsey said.

evil how is your DP now? Not sure if I have missed an update?

eliza hope you get to go home soon.

bigpig I think there comes a time when all babies actually love being naked. When they're tiny its such a faff, but then they realise that its quite nice to have a nappy-free kick. DS loves it. We end up with wee everywhere, but its ok. and DD still loves being naked. And at 2 can now remove her own clothes superfast

We have had a bloody brilliant day today. Went to Ikea (no horsemeatballs available), got furniture sorted for DD and resisted many, many things we loved. Came home, went for lovely walk in the sunshine and signed up for the gym! I am now seriously trying to get fit as am signed up to climb Ben Nevis in September, for the Cystic Fibrosis Trust. As a massive fatty, this will be an enormous challenge and I am fucking petrified, but one I really need. DH is totally behind me and we are going to start regularly walking as a family and change our unhealthy lifestyle to a better one.

detective what a worry for you. I hope things improve soon. No advice sad

Eliza good news about your LO gaining weight, I hope you get to go home soon.

Contradictionincarnate Tue 05-Mar-13 20:19:51

Eliza good you can go home soon make sure you finish that chocolate. its fab that she had some bannana and know that 16 weeks seems early for some solids but it used to be the norm and even 12 weeks for a few generations ago. I know some v healthy people weened early and no allergies!
det so sorry you are having such a bad time hope when the meds kick in tommorow o will feel much better!

Passmethecrisps Tue 05-Mar-13 20:28:37

Oh goodness. What a day.

detective been there and bought the tear-sodden t-shirt.
It is the worst thing when they just won't eat. He will be ok on the wee amounts he is taking and it does prove that he isn't on complete nursing strike. Have you tried feeding him standing up? There are still days with P when the only way to get more than 1oz in her is to stand up and hold her while feeding. Rocking slowly from side to side seems to calm her enough to get at least 1 more oz in her and sometimes chills her enough for me to sit down and she'll take the rest of the feed.

If he does completely clamp his jaws shut then take him to A&E. He will take quite a long time for Oscar to become dehydrated at his age but don't take any risks.

Oh, and let someone else feed him and you leave the room. Your anxiety will be making things worse. P fed well from the nurse who forced me to go and get a cup of tea and who fed her standing up.

Try to put amounts out of your head for a couple of days. He is obviously starting to associate eating with pain and anxiety so letting him lead the way for a day or so while the meds kick in should help him.

TheDetective Tue 05-Mar-13 20:34:57

Exhausted. Realised I hadn't eaten all day either. Making up for it now, and then going to bed. DP insisting he stays up with O and feeds him at 10.30.

We'll see how that one goes! I've told him to wake me if he doesn't take 3 oz.

Thank you so much YW I'm so frazzled I can't bloody think straight. GP went straight for Gaviscon, I said don't bother. He's already on a thickened feed, that would just be daft to put that in too. He needs something for the pain, not the vomiting now. So gimme Omeperazole. And he did. I think the mine and O's tears helped. He is very good at showing his symptoms off for the GP thank goodness.

GP will review in 2 weeks, or sooner if I am worried. Is your GP managing J's? Or have you been referred to a consultant for him?

Passmethecrisps Tue 05-Mar-13 20:36:48

Good on you madam! Are you having a just giving page? I would like to donate if you are.

I checked with our chemist re infant gaviscon today and they have it in stock. However, we aren't using it anymore as we are now using carobel so if I can send on the remainder of the pack from kyzordz and any more I get then I would like to do that for anyone who needs. horsey do you need?

TheDetective Tue 05-Mar-13 20:40:03

Thanks pass I don't think I've tried him standing up. He took the 3oz before in the car seat while the engine was running shit mother alert. He fell asleep after the 3oz and hasn't woken since. He just pursed his lips and wouldn't entertain any more.

Will just try little and often with him.

SMA helpline said that I shouldn't put any heat to the formula at all, and that I should make them up over an hour before he needs them to allow them to come up to room temp. Not sure if I have a cold house, but it takes more than an hour to come to room temp. She said that babies in Europe would drink theirs out the fridge. Helpful. DS1 would. But O won't. So anyway, she said to leave the water out in the bottles, and add the formula when needed. As long as the water is room temp it will be okay. I did it with the last feed, and no clogging. I'm not convinced how safe all that is, but I'll think about that tomorrow when my brain has returned from wherever it has escaped too.

Passmethecrisps Tue 05-Mar-13 20:40:44

detective it might not make a difference but some calpol might help as O's throat might be sore.

Passmethecrisps Tue 05-Mar-13 20:42:36

Worry about one thing at once detective. I know it sounds tiny but my lower limit for P is 2oz. I don't know why but if she can take that I leave it be.

PetiteRaleuse Tue 05-Mar-13 20:42:48

Eliza my LO had her first solids today too - also banana. Follow medical advice, they will be tailoring it to your baby. Guidelines go out the window in special cases, and banana is full of good stuff, easy to digest and nonallergenic, so won't harm her. Hope you're home soon x

TheDetective Tue 05-Mar-13 20:43:36

Funny you should say that. I've just said to DP to give him some when he wakes. I was thinking of giving it to him 2 or 3 times a day for the next 48 hours til he is calmer. I don't want to give him the full dose in 24 hours, or for a long period, but just for the interim, I think it might help him.

He just keeps crying out in his sleep again. sad

horseylady Tue 05-Mar-13 20:44:00

madame Ben Nevis is alright. Just a slog. Take it steady. We did it then did scarfell pike and snowdon within 24 hous. I'd like to go back to Ben Nevis just to spend more time rather than racing up and down it. Will find photos. It's a nice mountain.

pass I've managed to get some but if no one else wants it ill take it!!

det eat and sleep. I think dp will be ok. Huge hugs.

PetiteRaleuse Tue 05-Mar-13 20:45:12

Detective LO will only take her milk lying down at the moment since she is achey from the flu. Could be good to try different feeding positions.

Evilwater Tue 05-Mar-13 20:51:38

Madam- he's studying for a test, for the past five months classes. He has a small problem, he hasn't been going to the classes as N since N was born.

Detective- I've noticed that N will feed when I'm eating too. Just a thought. Your poor O. Huge hugs.

N is 5 months today! grin

Evil

MadamGazelleIsMyMum Tue 05-Mar-13 20:56:35

Bugger. Just tried to post and lost it.

pass thanks. I will do at some stage.

horsey I am told a reasonably fit adult should be able to manage it. I am a very long way from that but aiming to be there by September. Would love to see a pic if you can FB?

Doing the climb with a friend, whose best friend had CF and sadly died a couple of years ago. My friend gets married this year, and is missing her best friend who would have been a bridesmaid, so a couple of us are supporting our friend. But I am also using it as a very great challenge to motivate me to a fitter lifestyle. The combination of doing it for a great charity, and for my friend, means I simply cannot do what I always do and pretend it wont happen and then have to deal with it with no preparation. I am extremely bloody minded determined, but determination alone will not get my fat arse up a mountain.

glendathefedupwitch Tue 05-Mar-13 21:08:23

Detective - yay well done Oscar - now make sure you eat enough to stop mummy having a breakdown xxx

fairimum Tue 05-Mar-13 21:09:24

detective from experience they will have given you the very min dose of omeprazole and takes a good few days to take full effect, my DS had to have his increased 4 times before it worked for him, good luck xx

fairimum Tue 05-Mar-13 21:13:20

not sure if you have found it but the forums at http://www.littlerefluxers.co.uk/ are really good when you are at your wits end xx

TheDetective Tue 05-Mar-13 21:15:25

Thanks Fairmum the GP gave me a middling dose, he went for in the end. 2.5mls I think it was. He said there was no point starting at the bottom. Phew. Sensible GP!!

Oscar just took 6 fucking ounces. GET IN!!

Yes, I should be in bed. I am going. Good fucking night! I am SOOOOOOOOOOOOO looking forward to sweary wednesday. You have been warned!

fruitpastilles Tue 05-Mar-13 21:17:12

Hugs detective at least O had 3oz earlier that's something, hope he feeds for your dp later.

Well either S did end up taking some of the calpol and I didn't notice, or she didn't need it after all because she perked up loads this evening (hoping it's the latter)

TheDetective Tue 05-Mar-13 21:17:12

I've just eaten tacos followed by a bacon butty. Goodbye diet!!

fairimum Tue 05-Mar-13 21:21:04

glad your gp is on the ball xx

Just catching up, a lot of sad babies and Mummies today. Maybe there's something in the air as L had a major meltdown at the breast earlier the likes of which we haven't seen since he started the new formula.

Det hope this medication works for you and O and he settles down again.

Eliza well done on the banana and hope all continues to improve so you and E can go home.

Donnadoon Tue 05-Mar-13 21:25:18

Well done Oscar! Wishing everyone peaceful sleeps.

ValiumQueen Tue 05-Mar-13 21:33:39

detective that is progress. Sweet dreams now, and you can have my sleepy dust (not that it works for me anyway)

J went down at 9.15. If I get three hours I will be happy.

Did I mention DD2 has learned a new word? She can now pronounce 'sodding' beautifully. DH says with my language recently I got of lightly. Row ensued over reasons for bad language. Oops.

fruitpastilles Tue 05-Mar-13 21:39:18

Yay! Good boy Oscar grin

Kyzordz Tue 05-Mar-13 21:39:20

Just read through, so pleased he's drank now detective hope it continues and hope the meds work for him! Poor poppet.

Hope you're home soon eliza

Erm... What else....

pr sounds like your LO rather enjoyed the banana. My mum keeps telling me baby rice first and I have told her your dd has had banana first and she has never heard of giving banana as one of the first foods, she said even at her age with the experience behind she has you can learn something new (she is pregnant with number 6). We were all weaned at 3 months, think I have convinced her to wait until 17 weeks at least!

Can't remember what else I wanted to say! Loads!

Eric has his four month check tomorrow and I think I'm going to make him a doctors appointment, one of his cheeks has been red all day and he keeps poking at hIs ear. It's probably nothing and I'm probably overthinking his grumpiness of late, but figured it can't hurt to get him checked over. Would've thought he would have a temperature if it were an ear infection but he hasn't so who knows?!

YellowWellies Tue 05-Mar-13 21:40:29

Detective that's actually a very small dose but that's good as you have lots of spare weapons in the arsenal as it were. We've been told to administer up to 2mg per kg of bodyweight per day as Jonas' is so fecking sensitive to dairy and even on my woeful elimination diet something always slips through. So ATM he's 5.75kg and I give him 4.75ml twice a day (keeping a couple of ml spare for when his reflux worsens thanks to teething, post jags etc). Reflux is also worse after a virus.

I'm envious of your comfort eating options - just had a bagel with hummus have to say I did wish it were a cheesy taco or a dirty great double Mars bar. Sleep well and wishing you a better day tomorrow - sorry you had to join the battle scarred Mummies reflux club - as Pass says tear stained t-shirts are mandatory sad but it does get easier it really does.

kissyfur Tue 05-Mar-13 21:43:30

Blimey detective you've really had a horrible day of it sad poor Oscar, hope the meds work. Hugs to you thanks

Glad E liked the banana Eliza! Bless her

Kyz thanks I did take LO for a walk and she was calmer this afternoon and fed eventually

Loving all the FB photos smile

YellowWellies Tue 05-Mar-13 21:44:34

kyz red cheek and ear tugging could be teething?

Right the footy is finished and Jonas is in bed on his own some - time for a cuddle with DH.

Evilwater Tue 05-Mar-13 21:49:22

Well done O. Have a good nights sleep detective!

Kyzordz Tue 05-Mar-13 21:59:03

Glad She calmed down kissy smile

Can it yw? I've noticed him swallowing and whinging/crying after, which he used to do before his thickened milk, just read your post above where you said teething can make the reflux worse, didn't know that! Will the doctor be able to tell that he is teething if it's not his ears? He is drooling alot and just isn't his usual self you see :/ major attack of the grumps and whilst he isn't always easy to get a smile out of, everyone usually comments that he is a contented baby and he just hasn't been.

YW I have made dairy & soy free banana cake and apricot flapjacks which have gone some way to alleviating the lack of chocolate!

YW I have made dairy & soy free banana cake and apricot flapjacks which have gone some way to alleviating the lack of chocolate!

Izzybuzzybuzzybees Tue 05-Mar-13 22:12:42

Well I'm going for a better night tonight. No doubt it won't happen. DS is still very much awake after a feed about half an hour ago. I'm hoping I can feed him again before we all go to bed.

I need sleep. Proper sleep. A big chunk would be nice!

Dixiebell Tue 05-Mar-13 22:13:04

Teddy's sleeping has been getting gradually worse overnight. He goes down at 7 and had been going through till 3 or 4 before needing a feed. But last few days he's woken at 12, 3, 5, 6... So tonight decided to reinstate the dream feed to see if that'd help go longer. Annoying as I'd like to go to bed a bit earlier, but hey. So 5 mins before I'm about to go up and get ready for bed, and he wakes up crying! Hasn't woken this soon in the night since we started putting him to bed upstairs at 7 weeks!! So now dream feed is not so dreamy, and I'm not ready for bed so will be crashing around getting ready after doing the transfer which is not ideal. And if he's only gone less than 3 hours in his usual long stretch time, what's the rest of the night going to be like?! Bah. DH also annoyed me by switching from the programme we were watching to the bloody football while I was making us a cuppa, and then deciding that it was too exciting to switch back. Humph. At least it gave me some time to catch up on the thread.

Can't remember anything I want to say except Eliza, been v keenly looking out for updates from you, keep thinking of you & E in hospital and really feel for you especially with another one at home, who you must muss. Such good news on the weight gain, hope you get out soon.

YellowWellies Tue 05-Mar-13 22:20:09

Dear blonder please post that cake to Fife grin

Kyz try some calpol to see if he's cheerier? I guess the doc will have a feel of his gums.

horseylady Tue 05-Mar-13 22:20:21

vq I'm pretty sure ds will say bloody a lot.

det SLEEP

Pics on fb!! Madame you'll do it.

sweetpea1112 Tue 05-Mar-13 22:47:29

FFS up already. His 'long' stretch was less than three hours. Why is he going backwards?

I went to bed early to try and claw back some sleep and got all of an hour angry

BigPigLittlePig Tue 05-Mar-13 22:51:50

Loving the photos on fb, not that I'm going to remember who's who beyond about 5 minutes...

Took an age for F to settle tonight, so not optimistic for what tonight holds. I suspect she's coming down with the cold dsd was liberally spreading around at the weekend. And we have 2nd lot of jabs tomorrow too sad Hello calpol!

det so so glad O finally decided to feed wee bugger
kyz hope gp can shed some light/reassure you

For the dairy free-ers - coconut macaroons I made today had dessicated coconut, egg white and sugar. Healthly, no, but I think dairy free? They were yummy only 2 left

MissMummy1 Tue 05-Mar-13 23:05:38

Thanks so much for offer yw. I've deliberately planned to be mad busy the next few days but should be free friday pm if you fancy a walk or a cuppa? I'll have the car and will be in the bay all day anyway.

Dermatologist was lovely. She had never seen such a serious reaction to daktakort. Basically Matilda is on the allergy spectrum for just about everything sad sad sad . Including the dog. And poss dairy sad A bit stressful but we've been prescribed yet more creams and she gave us her personal number as she is on holiday for the next fortnight. She is lovely and one of the best in the country apparently so that's something.

My sodding car still hasnt been collected for assessment. I have spent no less than 5 hours today being bounced backwards and forwards between the insurance company and garage. I just want it confirmed as a write off or not before I fork out for it's replacement.

DP being very unsupportive. I am knackered and quite stressed and instead of helping me out today he's spent the whole day pissing about. Put it this way, M has been feeding for the past 2 hours and he is in the spare room with earplugs in because 'his sleep is important'. He is on shore leave just now angry. He knows I want to go back and study, poss even totally retrain, but wants me to go back to work full time so he has an excuse to quit his job. I am not asking him to support me financially, just emotionally but he is totally against the idea. I realised today that I look forward to him going offshore and dread his weeks off. Not great really, is it? sad

Sorry very me me me. Feeling a bit down tonight. Sleep dust to all, I'll be fine in the morning if matilda fecking sleeps smile

Izzybuzzybuzzybees Tue 05-Mar-13 23:14:52

Right successful transfer to crib after a teeny top up feed. Fingers crossed I fall asleep quickly and don't get up til at least 7!

Looks like it's another night of laying awake, listening to DH snore sad 1 hour 20 mins and counting. Right, might as well do something productive instead of lying here getting annoyed, off to sort out some washing

kirrinIsland Tue 05-Mar-13 23:54:17

Haven't got on here all day and at the rate you lot talk I have no chance of catching up!

mm why does he want to quit his job? What will he do instead? Sounds stressful. ((hugs))

Fatima have you tried punching him sending him to the spare room? Bad enough being kept awake by the baby....

I'm up for the first feed of the night. On the plus side that means she was actually down for the night before 11. On the down side, that means our "long sleep" was 1.5 hours sad If this the 4 month sleep regression then it's been going on for nearly a month and she's not 4 months til next week. If it's not, then next week I'm screwed - how can it get worse than this?

Sleepy dust all round.

PurplePidjin Wed 06-Mar-13 00:24:31

<holds kirrin's hand in solidarity>

Stinking cold here, 4 hours kip and going for transfer. Hugs and chocolate for those in need, will check back later

StuntNun Wed 06-Mar-13 01:10:52

What time do you call this? Drat I was hoping he'd go a bit longer but he didn't have his dream feed last night. Too tired to type. G'night.

PurplePidjin Wed 06-Mar-13 03:21:36

I've now been awake longer than i was asleep - 4 hours awake, 3 of sleep. R slept for 1 1/2 but i couldn't get off sad

Sorry for all the me me me at the moment. I am reading and will help if i have anything useful to add. Just need to vent without burdening dp too much

TheDetective Wed 06-Mar-13 03:38:51

Is anyone not having a shit time at the minute?! Go on, post! Cheer us up and give us hope!!

Well he woke at 0030. Not for feeding. DP was dispatched to assess that one. He just wanted a cuddle......

Now wants feeding. That's actually quite good. 6 hours. Not that this night I mind him wanting to feed given yesterday. But just sayin', like. grin. Any other night this would be much more acceptable!!

Kirrin same here. A month of regression. And not yet 4 months bam hoping it's the fucking shitty cunty wanky cockwombling reflux to blame.

Welcome to sweary fucking Wednesday!! It is wednesday, right?!

Poor DP is up at the crack of dawn for work and I've just had to wake him to unblock the motherfucking teat. angry

TheDetective Wed 06-Mar-13 03:43:34

YW think he started him on 800mg and then rounded the dose up to 2.5mls as it should have been 2.3 to start. If I actually remember now! God I just want my happy, confident, feeding baby back!

Sorry about the cheesy tacos grin. I'm back on the shitty diet rabbit food today! Porridge for breakfast sad bah.

PurplePidjin Wed 06-Mar-13 03:51:47

I like porridge for breakfast, with shitloads of sugar dried fruit

Arseknobbing cuntweasels.

kirrinIsland Wed 06-Mar-13 03:54:41

pidj me me me is fine - we are here for you to sound off to. I don't know what I would do without this to keep me sane, and my woes are nothing compared to what you are dealing with at the moment.

N has just slept from about half 12 til now - so 3.5 hours? It has been a loooong time since she's gone that long. Are we coming out the other side??! Or is this a one off and she's lulling me into a false sense of security!! Perhaps it's down to the sea air - if so, I'm going to go to the beach every day!

detective hope that teat's stayed unblocked and you are back to sleep.

barefootwalker Wed 06-Mar-13 04:33:05

Hi ladies,

I've been lurking for a while reading on here and Facebook so thought I'd better say hello! <Big wave and a smile> Not a chance that I'll keep up with the threads (you guys are very chatty!) but I'll give it a go.

My DD Grace was born 19.11.12 (15 weeks) and weighed 6lb 14oz. She initially lost quite a bit of weight and struggled to gain it back but it going great now. She is very smiley and chatty but no proper giggles yet. She's rolled front to back a few times and has started grasping things, my left handed DH is in denial that she is using her right hand mostly.

I'll post a FB pic and intro next feed....

Pikz Wed 06-Mar-13 04:36:14

Arghhhh he's 16weeksnext week. How the fuck can this sodding sleep get any worse? Arsebadgers.

8-12-4 he goes longer during the ducking day without food sometimes.

StuntNun Wed 06-Mar-13 04:39:04

Yawn. Second feed of the night here. I hope he'll sleep until morning after this not bloody likely.

ValiumQueen Wed 06-Mar-13 04:42:46

Hello barefoot

First waking so he slept 9.15 to 4.30. Very good indeed! Only the second time he has gone this long in 19 weeks. He seems very sleepy too. If I did not have the girls to consider he would have possibly self setled.

I have woken frequently but rested. Have a splitting headache too. Very odd dreams continue.

So sorry to hear of poor nights, reflux and skin problems x

ValiumQueen Wed 06-Mar-13 04:44:40

Oops! Forgot sweary. Fuckgerbils!

YellowWellies Wed 06-Mar-13 04:48:45

VQ I'm getting odd dreams too - really vivid.

Hello barefoot welcome! The 19th was my EDD but my wee man turned up on 23rd October instead. Random name associations but I used to run barefoot. grin

Right feed and transfer done - sweet dreams all.

YellowWellies Wed 06-Mar-13 04:50:13

Oh yes sweary Wednesday - night night weasel bitches! grin

ValiumQueen Wed 06-Mar-13 04:55:29

I could not even describe the dreams. They are not baby related. I am always single, and it is real life as opposed to fantasy. I have been in Canada tonight, driving an author (hottie) around in a crap car, whilst fighting a lawsuit with the help of the author. Baby was given to me just at the time J woke. Dreams fascinate me. Sadly sleep eludes me, but not tonight, for which I am fucking greatful!

ValiumQueen Wed 06-Mar-13 04:56:53

grateful fuck!

StuntNun Wed 06-Mar-13 05:14:36

J did not want to go to sleep so he has had a new nappy and is feeding again. When do I get to sleep? <Moan moan moan>

kirrinIsland Wed 06-Mar-13 06:08:04

stunt sad your turn for the sleepy dust tomorrow. Can't DH help at all?

Welcome barefoot smile

Another 1.5 hours! It's like Christmas come early grin

J has done really well VQ

StuntNun Wed 06-Mar-13 06:36:05

DH did the middle-of-the-night nappy change Kirrin and has just brought me a cup of tea so I might leave it another day before I kick him out he does help a bit. If we switch to formula tomorrow then I suppose he might be able to do the odd feed but I'm not sure as I've never ff before.

So tired today and I have parent-teacher meetings this afternoon with the baby in tow. Now to find out what the little bastards darlings have been up to at school.

How is O today Detective? Any improvement with his feeds?

And Tits, how are you keeping?

TheDetective Wed 06-Mar-13 06:46:43

Well the teat did stay unblocked! But I did not sleep something to do with squirmy baby cot dodging maybe?! I've given up now. There's a baby group on at 10 so if I get up soon I can get ready before O wakes maybe. I need to wash my hair.

Just had to wake DP up for work...

VQ woooooo for sleep!

Hello barefoot!

Think we should have a lurkers amnesty! Come out motherfuckers! grin

TheDetective Wed 06-Mar-13 06:51:06

He took 5oz at 3.30 stunt! other than the teat blocking and him being more awake than usual, he fed fine! grin He went to sleep once I relented and put him in with me! Just a shame I couldn't fall back to sleep too!

I'll wake him at 7.30 to feed again if he doesn't wake before. Think I might drag myself out of the pit, find some caffine and a nice hot shower. Will have to wake DS1 before I get in shower in case O wakes. hmm

Dixiebell Wed 06-Mar-13 06:55:00

Twin-headed dick stack. Started my day at 5.30 again. Teddy's preferred time. Btw, am not so good at the creative swearing so cheating with this Foul-o-Matic. Piss candles grin.

ValiumQueen Wed 06-Mar-13 06:56:51

Another two hours. Thank fuck.

Morning fellow fannywearing fuckers!

glendathefedupwitch Wed 06-Mar-13 06:57:43

Morning ladies - sorry some of you had shit nights shock if I knew the magic formula for Dottie going 7 hours I would gladly send it to you all - I do count my lucky stars she is a fab sleeper as I would not be able to go back to cunty wank bollocks work or uni if she was up 2/3 times a night!! She always wakes up with the most amazing smiles like she's thoroughly refreshed!!! Fingers x'd everyone's babies catch on soon x

Kit day at work today and I'm on the friggin war path - after being promised 1 x 12.5hr shift a week they are now saying minimum contract is 15hrs pw which would mean 2 shifts pw once a month - I cannot/will not go to uni 5 days a week then spend my whole weekend at work not seeing/feeding my baby!!! They are also saying the 2weeks al I have remaining I have to take before my hours change which is a pisser cos I've sorted my shifts out until end of April and means my leaving date is pushed further away!!! Gonna hunt my useless twatting matron down and ask her why she's so fucking useless!!!!

Yay detective - glad O is feeding and you managed some sleep, hope it continues!!!

TheDetective Wed 06-Mar-13 07:08:47

Sat here in living room avec brew and porridge. Realised I am butt naked.

Jeez I must be half asleep. hmm

Sorry for the terrible image. grin

Hope it doesn't put any fucker of their breakfast!

Bryzoan Wed 06-Mar-13 07:30:58

Fuckity fuck fuck fuck. Fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck.

That's better.

So glad to hear e got some weight on Eliza, and also that she took some banana and a bit more by bottle. All very encouraging. I'm so sorry I implied bf was a choice for you - it somehow slipped my mind that it isn't. Hope you get out of hospital soon.

Det your yesterday sounded awful. I do hope today is a bit better.

Mm sorry to hear how you are feeling about dp. Hopefully when m is a bit better things will settle? The jobs issue is a tricky one though.

I am really glad it's sweary Wednesday as I am really fucking struggling. G wants to be held or entertained every minute of the day at the moment and is generally lots less settled than he has been to date. Which is bloody crap timing as dh and I are trying to come to terms with everything re dd, and I am desperate to do as much speech and physio work with her as I can. The house is a shambles and I'm really struggling to find time to cook etc. And whenever I put g down he shouts at me, and I'm really struggling with it. Doen't help that dh is having a tough time at work. Getting out and about helps a bit - but every time a tottering one yr old points at crawling dd and says "look mum, a baby" a little bit of me dies inside. Dd knows what a baby is and that she isn't one - she just looks really confused and I fucking hate it.

sweetpea1112 Wed 06-Mar-13 07:46:36

Thank fuck It's sweary Wednesday. Having a really shit time of it.

Another bad night. Thing is, he always sleeps well when DP does a night shift and I know he thinks I'm doing it wrong somehow.

O is such a daddy's boy, its really starting to depress me. This morning he was all smiles and chatter for DP and for me - nothing. I'm yet to get a smile our of him today.

The only time O is truly happy and smiley is when DP is home from work and I get miserable fucking baby all day.

There, that's better. Off to catch up now.

barefootwalker Wed 06-Mar-13 07:46:58

Good times story for Detective - we moved G into her own room 2 nights ago (due to no space for the cot bed in our room and she's only next door), we have all had better sleep. Last night she went 7.45-4am for her first stint, amazing. A week ago she was awake every 3-4 hours through the night. Daytime naps in the cot are still eluding us though, they only happen in the sling/carrier/car. That's our next challenge...

YW - that must have been interesting! I'm useless at thinking of names so mine just comes from the fact I take my shoes off at any given opportunity.

Congratulations to the ladies with BFP's (I'm new to MN, can I just check that is big fat pregnant?!).

fruitpastilles Wed 06-Mar-13 07:56:27

Good morning piss flaps grin

Hugs to all those who had a shit night, thought that would have been us last night as S had a mammoth nap and only woke up an hour before bedtime, but no, the little lazy bum still slept 8-7

I was going to tackle the cupboard under the stairs today, it's full of shite, but I really can't be fuckin arsed, so I'll leave it.

PetiteRaleuse Wed 06-Mar-13 08:02:12

kyzordz I won't give baby rice at all. Nothing but fruit and veg til 6 months. I'll give her proper rice after that. I don't do baby food products - I don't trust the food companies.

ValiumQueen Wed 06-Mar-13 08:06:54

glenda you go girl! That is just rotten! I did not realise you were going to be working over and above your uni and placement commitment.

When I did my Mental Health degree (in 18 months) I worked full time on top, so would do an early as a student and a late as a qualified. Sometimes on the same unit. It was hard, but I was youngish, free and single, with no commitments. I do not envy you x

PetiteRaleuse Wed 06-Mar-13 08:09:42

Morning Slappers. Here's to a fucking fabulous Wednesday. Yes it will be brilliant. It has to be. I need a good day, both DDs at home and very energetic. LO has been Chortling since 5. WTF? Knackered. Just when I thought I could go back to bed DD1 was awake and is currently trying to tug the nursing cushion from underneath LO.

PetiteRaleuse Wed 06-Mar-13 08:10:41

I'm thinking of doing a degree with the OU.

Bryzoan Wed 06-Mar-13 08:11:20

Yay to that pr - a fucking fabulous Wednesday it has to be :-)

Contradictionincarnate Wed 06-Mar-13 08:14:15

sweet feel like my dd prefers my dh too she always has a grumpy hour before he comes in to save her from me and he managed to rock her to sleep in his arms last night... I can only get her to sleep after literally hours of boob!
angry at dh today as I went up to bed at 9 still cluster feeding dd and she managed to go down at 10.20 (a pb) and sleep til now. I have not! dh had a glass of wine and 3 bottles of ale last night so was talking in his sleep and weeing every few hours ... grrrrrr! I find the hardest thing is to get off to sleep and I have to believe its going to be longer than an hour or I can't ... I believed last night til that oaf woke me!! sad

horseylady Wed 06-Mar-13 08:24:36

Erm were having an ok time!! Got a cold but he sometimes wakes coughing at 4, sometimes he doesn't. He self settles and goes back to sleep.

Don't hate me.

Last week we were in regression land. It passed like it started. Will wait for the next one. Generally he's fairly ok and happy. He screamed for an hour yesterday in the car. No idea why. I even stopped to change him ?!

Would have been mil birthday today. Will pop to grave to see her with e. think dh going tomorrow. So we might go twice.

mm I think the two of you need to chat, however things weren't good pre baby. I'm not really very sure. I'm not good with relationship issues!!

PurplePidjin Wed 06-Mar-13 08:29:42

I am still in bed. I have had porridge, and am about to eat pancakes. I have a gurgly little boy next to me lying on his side

Yes, he got there himself grin

<proud snot filled mummy>

Elizadoesdolittle Wed 06-Mar-13 08:31:51

pr and contra thanks for the support re the banana. She did seen to like it. Me, well I hate bananas but DD1 loves then too so she'll look forward to receiving the scraps grin

bry don't worry at all about the bf comment. I would happily continue if all was going well. The hosp are supportive of me continuing to bf and asked how keen I am to carry on but I've said I don't care how she gets fed as long as she is getting her calories on board.

sweetpea DD1 is a total daddy's girl. But in times of need ie when she falls, feels poorly or is a bit out of sorts it's me she wants. DD1 can be an absolute cow all day but when DH gets home shes all sweetness and light. DH is the fun one, the one that gets to play with her, throw her around and be silly. I'm the boring one with her all day and the disciplinarian. But at the end of the day it's mummy she looks for most. Sorry I know comparing O to a 3 year old is daft but I just wanted to try and explain why you might feel the way you do but in no way is it because O prefers his daddy.

mm boooo to nasty unsupportive selfish DH.

There was more I was going to say but E has just woken. There goes my wankstaining morning cuppa!

Am fucking knackered angry

Welcome barefoot and waves at any lurkers that might be out there!

Oh and when DD1 came to visit yesterday the first thing she said to me was, mummy do you have a baby in your belly again! Time to slow down on the chocolates I think blush

horseylady Wed 06-Mar-13 08:32:35

pr what in? I like the ou.

Pikz Wed 06-Mar-13 08:33:46

LO prefers DP too. He talks away and grins and laughs.

I am merely milk, nappies and snot remover!

I am going for a fucking fabulous Wednesday, beef in horseradish already in aga to cook for 5 hours. Bottles done, baby napping in his cot and I'm going to go shower.

Have a good morning knob suckers.

sweetpea1112 Wed 06-Mar-13 08:37:08

Bless you Eliza thank you thanks. You always sound so positive and always have lovely kind words for others. With you on the bananas. Yuck. envy. O will only be eating them on daddy's watch.

Elizadoesdolittle Wed 06-Mar-13 08:48:59

Ah thanks sweetpea blush beware of the banana, it gets fucking everywhere.

PetiteRaleuse Wed 06-Mar-13 08:49:40

Ripe avocado is another good easy first food Eliza - no preparation just mash up like a banana. Or even mix them. Very nutritious.

horsey I'm not sure. Years ago I did a module in social sciences, then a module in psychogy and in English, but I didn't do the exams as I was unable to get to an exam centre (long story but involves bastard ex boyfrien). I studied law for a while at brick uni but had to drop out for financial reasons.

My professional backgrond is law and finance based, so I should really do something along those lines, though I'm already working on a professional qualification.

But as I am not sure where I am going with work... Am thinking I could do something completely different like maths, or something sciencey, just to learn something completely new.

But I'll probably end up doing law.

YellowWellies Wed 06-Mar-13 09:21:21

barefoot it ended up with a stress fracture but I do love being barefoot - would love to run without shoes again but prob not wise! We too need to handle day time naps better - at the mo they're either on me or in the pushchair.

Some more good news for detective other than a brief sleep regression (sounds just like your experience horsey) things are going really well here now his reflux is under control. We seem to have established an 8-9pm bedtime ON HIS OWN!!! Just need to slowly bring that forward. And he's sleeping til 7-9am sometimes with a feed in the middle - sometimes not. He's also a lot less Velcro now - he'll kick happily on his mat for 20 mins at a time so I'm managing to get some stuff done - I showered today and hoovered yesterday. Put in that context I'm not going to begrudge naps cuddling on me smile. He's only really whiny when overtired or I've fucked up and eaten dairy. So reflux does not mean permanent hell - once treated you'll get your O back.

Eliza that sounds like real progress - well done Ella! Watch out for bananas and clothing they stain black!

PR other than timing which has to be later due to my wee mans dodgy tum your method of weaning really appeals and will be what I aim to do. Maybe with a bit of finger food but I love your emphasis on pureed fruit and veg rather than manufactured baby foods. I don't trust the companies either.

MM Friday would be lovely - shall I head to you? I hope you and your DP have had chance to talk with him taking you seriously and respecting your concerns.

Morning ladies!

Fucking washing up from last night's dinner waiting for me this morning. Honestly, 10 mins max it would take him while I'm trying to get babylaughalot to sleep, but instead it's sitting in the kitchen in all its crusty gloriousness for me to do in my spare time hmm

As its sweary Wednesday take a look at gizoogle.net for a laugh. It works like google so search for something and see what comes up (if you have a twitter account try putting in your @name)

Here's what it did to that article written by Samantha Brick!!

Passmethecrisps Wed 06-Mar-13 09:35:52

Morning lovely arseholes.

Gosh we have been having our ups and downs recently.

<wave> to newbies. Special OMG to panda joining the BFP club. I am with detective on the lurker amnesty. Come on out ladies! We don't bite - we do swear a lot though.

valium prince seems to be on a snooze roll recently. Fist bumb for that!

I am another one who is massively impressed with he positivity of eliza's posts. I am so impressed with little E's weight gain. I told DH and he properly spluttered. What an amazing thing the little baby body is.

Hmm mm you are having a really shit time. Poor wee M seems to be unlucky with things and that is so wearing. What makes DP think that his sleep is more important than yours? Especially when he is on shore leave. Things definitely don't sound great but don't make life decisions in times of stress. Just take a mental note of how supported you feel and address things when you are feeling more on an even keel. I always think trying to tackle issues in high emotion leaves you open to accusations of being hysterical and so on. I know you have a pretty good support network close by you but if you need to offload to a stranger I am close by and always looking for meatball opportunities grin

There are others having shit times - blonder? tits? bry? stunt? glenda? detective? Work, partners, poorly babies, older children. Lots of virtual handholding on its way for you.

horsey I hope you and DH are ok the next few days. How about FIL? I know he can be tough? Oh, and PM me your address dude and I will get those IG to you.

ValiumQueen Wed 06-Mar-13 09:38:25

I am glad I was not barefoot this morning - bumped into a friend walking home from school, moved to the side to let folk pass, and squish! Fucking dog owners! Not on pram though thank fuck.

J seems to be developing a bit of a pattern - bed around 9.30 and up at around 6.30, which fits in perfectly with my day. Waking 2 times inbetween usually, sometimes once, sometimes three times. This will get better, and he will sleep earlier in time. All naps in cot or pram. Only occasional days, usually at weekends when I am frazzled and he is overstimulated by his siblings, does he need to settle on me, and if he does, he usually transfers ok.

Right, my filthy house is calling me...

Passmethecrisps Wed 06-Mar-13 09:49:29

Dog poop on pavements is disgusting. It's awful where I live - I am constantly looking down to make sure I don't push the buggy through any.

P is a super-awesome champion sleeping super star - at night time. Day time can be a trial. On Monday I went to my parents to visit as my sister was there with her baby. The whole time we were there P took 2 very reluctant 30 minute naps in the car seat after much rocking, shooshing and crying. My sister's wee boy would fall asleep on a washing line. It is incredible how relative everything is though. I think P is a champion and I don't really mind the nap issues usually. It can be a bit tough when she gets really hysterical but we manage. My sister however was constantly anxious about her wee boy being tired and needing to sleep. Once he cried for about 1 minute then fell asleep on her with his wee legs dangling. P would be having an apoplexy if I tried that.

Contradictionincarnate Wed 06-Mar-13 09:54:18

hello barefoot
shit just remembered yesterday was the day we dtd to conceive dd meant to pick up a card to write on for dh thank you for fucking me a year ago! grin
mm yes you have to talk things through I think men don't pick up on things as we do or would expect. fed dd and she is sleeping on me again going to go for another transfer to get an extra nap.
ps. lot of talk on here bout nappy changes I don't change dd all night unless code Brown so she will go down easier. am I a bad mummy is everyone else changing through the night!
I am very excited about weening not had hv visit or talk though understood they did here circa 14 weeks.

PetiteRaleuse Wed 06-Mar-13 09:58:34

yellow I will be adding finger food from six months ish - or when she seems ready. It's so funny watching them grab it and try and get it in the mouth. Hand eye co-ordination still needs to be learned. DD1 would pick up a piece of omelette, open her mouth and then poke herself in the eye with it. Was so funny. I know, I'm mean.

PetiteRaleuse Wed 06-Mar-13 10:02:22

contra I have never changed a nappy during the night unless it's been a shitty one. Before DD1 was born someone advised me not to and I am so glad, as I would have continued the wake, change, feed, sleep routine overnight.

Contra that's a brilliant idea for a card! grin

As for nighttime nappy changes I leave the bottom of her grobag unzipped so that I can reach in and feel if she's wet or not. If she's dry I leave her, if I can feel wet I change her. I'll change her in her cot too, to try and minimise how much she wakes up. She hasn't had a dirty nappy at night for weeks, just wet so I just whip the wet one out and replace with a dry one, then clean her bum when she wakes. Does this make me a bad mummy? confused

sweetpea1112 Wed 06-Mar-13 10:12:39

Does sound like there are some tough times all round at the moment. Hopefully things will get better for us all soon.

I don't change nappies at night here unless it seems to be bothering him and he can't settle.

I can't wait for weaning. Will be starting at 26 weeks and am planning on a mix of BLW and purees. Agree with PR and YW about leading.
with fruit and veg. Will be starting with veg, so that savoury tastes are introduced before sweet. Is there a point to baby rice?

O is being very trying today. Fighting feeds and not sleeping well. Baby group later so trying to make sure he naps well. Had an over tired meltdown last week when all the other babies were perfectly behaved. Was very blush

Really don't want to go to the group but know that I must as I can feel my old depression knocking at the door again.

miss I don't change M at all at night unless it leaks or she poos which she tends to save until 7am

That should be to contra

PetiteRaleuse Wed 06-Mar-13 10:18:06

sweetpea I meant to start with veg for that reason but I'm having real trouble motivating myself to puree those damn carrots. I'm giving LO a day or two off. DD1 ate the remaining bananas last night and LO has her jabs tomorrow, so Friday I will get on with those bloody carrots. Three days of that then three days of something else, probably sweet potato or courgette.

sweetpea1112 Wed 06-Mar-13 10:32:12

That's exactly the sorts of veg I was thinking of trying PR so really interested to hear how you get on.

O is one of the younger babies at 14 weeks today so I can pick up lots of tips from all your trials before I start grin

PetiteRaleuse Wed 06-Mar-13 10:36:19

Can't believe that LO will be 20 weeks on Friday. It's kind of sad.

YellowWellies Wed 06-Mar-13 10:42:28

PR do you do one food for three days so its easier to spot an adverse reaction?

Dairy and soy free home made steak and ale pie in the oven with spicy roasted parsnips. Time for feet up methinks as someone is asleep with my boob in their mouth. That's DS BTW not the postman grin Dirty birds!!!!

Pass great advice to MM store and observe your feelings now and make decisions when life is on a more even keel. Don't brush them under the carpet but don't do anything which would let DP dismiss you as being a hysterical woman. Hope Tilly's skin gets sorted asap - great news on the dermatologist xx

I'm really looking forward to next week's Scottish meet up!

ValiumQueen Wed 06-Mar-13 10:45:00

I have used baby rice with both of mine and plan to again with J. My first food will be baby rice mixed with formula, then that with veg then fruit added. I find it is useful to have to thicken foods as some puréed food can be very watery. I add a new food every three days. I love weaning, and add finger foods at 6 months. I always end up throwing half a pack of baby rice away though, as once sweet potato is on the menu, it is not needed. Mmm! I love sweet potato!

I keep a record of dates new foods are added, introduce food firstly at lunch, then build up to three times a day. I have thousands of little pots and initially batch cook and freeze in ice cube trays from Ikea, then put in tubs. Each evening I take a little pot and fill it with the meals for the next day, so for example a couple of apple cubes for breakfast to mix with cereal or porridge, sweet pot, carrot and pea for lunch, and courgette carrot and apple for tea. When I start cooking with meat and chicken, I do proper meals then blend and freeze in the pots in portion sizes. I label them all, or colour code as I have so many frigging pots!

ValiumQueen Wed 06-Mar-13 10:48:30

PR are your carrots a bit mouldy now?

DD1 had everything organic.

DD2 had everything value.

DS will have value too. I have thought about frozen, but I will get fresh.

PetiteRaleuse Wed 06-Mar-13 10:51:18

I keep records and freeze batches of puree like VQ but not as organised smile I love sweet potato too. I often bulk out curries with sweet potato. Talking of curries, I introduced them to DD1 at about 10 months and she loves them. Bland food after six months isn't necessary, and as well as being worried about the crap they put in baby food jars, I also worry that it is too bland. They all seem to smell the same.

Yes, the new food is to watch for reactions but also because the first time they eat anything they are unlikely to like it. So they get offered it several times over a few days. It's such a huge change for them, especially when ff as they don't only have to learn to eat but they have to dea with different tastes too.

sweetpea1112 Wed 06-Mar-13 10:52:32

Wow VQ that all sounds a bit overwhelming. What do I need to buy ready for weaning? Spoons, bowls etc...

PetiteRaleuse Wed 06-Mar-13 10:54:36

I bought new carrots VQ and new courgettes grin

I don't worry too much about organic anything, as long as it is fresh (or frozen veg but must be frozen from fresh and nothing added and French) and relatively local if possible (sweet potato being my imported luxury) We get a lot of our fruit and veg from the local market, and our meat is local too.

I won't pay the premium for organic it's too much.

PetiteRaleuse Wed 06-Mar-13 10:56:15

I used those avent containers for breastmilk and normal teaspoons for purees. Fnger food you can use the tra of the high chair. I found plastic plates just got picked up and thrown (French children DO throw food) and the dg would always get to it before me.

Kyzordz Wed 06-Mar-13 10:59:55

I have yet to read back through the thread. I am sorely confused after 4 month check.

She said he drinks far too much (35-40oz a day) and I need to cut out the dream feed. She said (despite saying he isn't allowed anything but milk) maybe he isn't always hungry but is thirsty. I do try him with water regularly through the day.

She said not to even think of weaning before 5 months because of silent reflux. yw as the resident reflux expert does that go with what you think?

I was considering letting him have tastes of home made puréed things within the next few weeks but shes scared the bejesus out of me, feel like I'm over feeding him and doing everything wrong. She said if he is messing with a bottle he doesn't want it and leave him alone. But, if I do that, say he has 4oz and messes, if I left it he would be hungry in 2 hours (I have tried!) and so will actually total more food/the same. She said when he has food I must massively reduce the amount of milk he has because he will be obese.

Now I don't know my head from my arse again sad fuckballs sad will catch up when he feeds

BigPigLittlePig Wed 06-Mar-13 11:00:56

Fucking wankbadgery cunting colds.
Bad night. Snot. Meltdowns. Runny bums. Vom in my hair. 100% cot-dodger.

Had to go out and do the food shopping this morning, F screamed the whole way around the shop, so ended up wrestling trolley in 1 arm, baby in the other. Lovely lady helped pushing the trolley and packing though so managed to get out the shop a bit quicker.

thanks to everyone (so it seems) for the general shittyness.

We're supposed to be going out tonight. F has her jabs this afternoon, and is a snot-monkey - sneaky feeling I'll be staying in with muslins and calpol. Just had chocolate poptarts for breakfast, and plan to have some cake in a minute. Feed a cold, right even if it's not your own?

TooManyDicksOnTheDancefloor Wed 06-Mar-13 11:02:21

Morning sodding cockstorm balls! ( I love the foul-o-mastic!)

To give some of you hope, we had a good night here. After a week of playing dummy tennis I ordered some NUK dummies and they are a great success. LO went to bed at 7pm with said dummy, and didn't wake until 3.30am, result. The mouthpiece is curved and the teat shaped which seems to keep it in the mouth better. She then slept from 4am-8am. As a result of feeling so refreshed this morning I have walked to school and back (2miles) and I've done the 30 day shred! Jillian Michael's is a bitch, but I love her also.

Great to hear things ate going well eliza

Sorry you had such a stressful day detective, there is nothing more stressful than your baby refusing to feed, big hugs.

Sorry you're having such a crap time mm, what do you want to retrain in? Just give DH s swift kick in the balls! (Only kidding)

Hugs to pp too, you sound quite down at the moment, please speak to someone if this is the case xx

ValiumQueen Wed 06-Mar-13 11:02:27

sweetpea that is just my way. You do not have to do it that way. I have two older kids so need to be able to just grab stuff, so bulk cook in advance. Also mine go to childcare fairly early so I need to be organised in that respect. BLW is the complete opposite I think and may suit you better.

You do not need to buy anything really, but I would recommend getting some soft tip spoons for their delicate little mouths if you are going down the spoon route. Mine each have a vintage porringer, as I did as a child. I also have some Ikea bowls in case.

Bibs depend on the child. DD1 used to get plastered with food. She would aim for her mouth and hit her arm. Still does actually. I bought Silly Billyz long sleeve bibs that are the mutts nuts, and will do DS, even though they are pink.

DD2 never misses her mouth, but sometimes drops stuff before reaching the mouth, so she was better suited to a trough bib, a solid one, Tommee Tippee I think. She never gave me a dirty bib as would hoover the trough out first.

YellowWellies Wed 06-Mar-13 11:06:07

Kyz yep we were told not to wean until six months as reflux means there is a higher choking risk on solids and as CMPI can mean an increased risk of allergies / stomach damage. I'm off to see the dietician when he's 5.5 months to discuss in more detail.

PetiteRaleuse Wed 06-Mar-13 11:07:16

Do they do jabs when they're ill?

Fuck I have been shat on twice this morning.

PetiteRaleuse Wed 06-Mar-13 11:12:42

I meant that the Avent breastmilk containers are useful as puree containers. And for servings of casserole or stews and soups later on.

horseylady Wed 06-Mar-13 11:20:58

kyz what??!!! E is tracking the 25th line and eats about 46 oz. they're babies they need feeding!!! This is why I answer feeding questions with 'well'

I think there's too much concern today about weight etc especially in babies and young children. We're going to produce a group of people who will be so hung up on weight and looks its stupid. Exercise, eat and balanced diet and you can't go far wrong. One hour of pe a week is not enough. One hour a day should be the minimum. Anyway.

If he's happy and gaining well then fine!! Do what you're doing. And with weaning so long as you're not putting risks in his bottle, offering a few tasters will not kill him. If we weren't going away I think I'd be starting in about 2-3 weeks. When he's 21/22 weeks.

pass will do.

Oh and I clean my dog poo up!!

Contradictionincarnate Wed 06-Mar-13 11:23:55

kydorz I know zero about babies but know that no matter how fat they get - I was a fatty - they loose it as soon as they start running about as long as they are healthy! sounds like you need to go back and check what she meant how can she say only milk but then that babies thirsty!?

Kyzordz Wed 06-Mar-13 11:24:20

Thanks yw, e has silent reflux and I don't think it's too bad as it is managed purely with thicker milk, he rarely has any problems with pain due to reflux, but perhaps it's best if we wait with him anyway. He would eat if I gave him food, but still.

Not sure what to make of the rest of what she said though about him drinking too much and cutting out a feed. Don't suppose it's her who will have to get up if he wakes in the night though! I really don't want to go backwards with anything as he does so well atm

kirrinIsland Wed 06-Mar-13 11:25:01

We used the kong sleeve bibs too VQ They were a god send in keeping the washing pile down!

I'm leaving weaning til 6 months and then doing some purees and some finger foods. I messed it up with DD1 so I'm determined to get it right this time.

The washing machine is fixed - yay! The man arrived, as predicted, just as DD1 had gone to sleep! Still, it's fixed so I can start to reduce my washing mountain.

glenda I didn't realise you would still be working whilst doing your midwifery. That'll keep you busy! Good luck giving your matron hell, hope you get it sorted.

I am about to attempt to put N for a nap in the cot for the first time - wish me luck!

kirrinIsland Wed 06-Mar-13 11:25:44

*long

horseylady Wed 06-Mar-13 11:26:54

kyz do as you're doing.

If he's happy, you're happy then fine!! It's just advice. You can ignore it.

Lilliana Wed 06-Mar-13 11:34:24

Detective sorry you've had such a horrible day but glad O has now fed thanks for you, it must have been so stressful.

Welcome back barefoot

MM sorry to hear about your DH,is there a reason he wants to leave work? Still no excuse for not supporting you when he is home.

Petite I'm with you on not trusting baby food companies. There was an article about the crap they put in them as 'bulking' and the quality of veg/fruit they use. I'll be making and freezing my own.

Contra I'm another one who will only change nappies at night if brown - Dh often suggests it if L is unsettled - cue screaming blue murder and no difference afterwards. Not worth it.

Kyz I have no clue but think if LO is hungry they will feed, if not they won't - surely this is what feeding on demand is all about? I would do as you are and try not to worry

Thank god for sweary wednesday.

What the fuck is going on?! L decided to have a grumpy/sleepy day yesterday. Would only do 30 mins for last feed (usually does 1 1/2hours!) and just screamed until she crashed at 10. 30 mins later wakes for a feed Grr. Oh well she goes down again and wakes at 3.30. Think she wants a feed (4hours is good for us) but no, cue more shouting/ talking for 40 mins while I walk her around in the dark (I am not giving in and taking her downstairs - it is NIGHTTIME) She then goes back to sleep on me as I'm too afraid to wake her with transfer and sleeps until 6!

Basically if she hadn't woken for no sodding reason I could have had 7 fucking hours sleep!!!!

She has now fallen asleep on her change mat- she never goes to sleep on her own, maybe there is some light!

YellowWellies Wed 06-Mar-13 11:38:01

I would say Kyz that the LO's are more flexible to change than I'd expected. DS routine was totally changed at PIL's but he slept fine. If you want to try a night without a dream feed go for it, if you don't - don't! Have no advice on volumes - DS is bf so I've no clue what he takes.

Lily311 Wed 06-Mar-13 11:41:24

Hello Everyone,

I've been lurking on all antenatal and post-natal thread, time for me to come out too. Baby Girl was born on 20/11/12, 3 days early. She saved my life, literally, my OH sadly passed away when I was 14 weeks pregnant, nearly a year ago.

She is a true velcro baby who does not like to be put down. She does not roll, giggle or sleep through the night (although she did between week 10 and 13, sleep regression started early!). She is a joy when she is in a good mood, we are a very tight unit already.

I love sweary Wed, unfortunately I only do swearing when cycling. Which hasn't happened for nearly a year.

PetiteRaleuse Wed 06-Mar-13 11:49:53

All these lurkers coming out of the woodwork, you're very welcome but I'm wondering how many more are there reading our rantings and ravings.

BigPigLittlePig Wed 06-Mar-13 11:52:56

They're probably terrified of being barked at by detective grin

PetiteRaleuse Wed 06-Mar-13 11:53:33

Lily I took ages writing that and actually cross posted. So sad about your DH you must have been devastated thanks

Congratulations on your LO. She has a rather excellent birthday wink

PetiteRaleuse Wed 06-Mar-13 11:54:33

Detective mainly barks at DM journos. I hope there aren't any of them in this group elseI'm screwed

YellowWellies Wed 06-Mar-13 11:55:53

Oh lily oh my word. I'm so sorry. That must have been the most unimaginably painful thing to deal with at any time, let alone pregnant - you should have posted months ago! Welcome. And get your swearing pants on grin

Lilliana Wed 06-Mar-13 11:58:07

Welcome Lily I'm so sorry to hear about your OH thanks lovely that you have such a close bond with your LO. I hope you have lots of RL support, you must be amazingly strong.

I just hope there is no-one who knows me lurking!

Any other lurkers come out, come out wherever you are!

kirrinIsland Wed 06-Mar-13 12:03:51

Welcome lily So sorry about your OH, that must be horrendous sad

Sophiathesnowfairy Wed 06-Mar-13 12:06:15

I am very behind. sad hugs to those of you having a difficult time detective, sounds like you are coming out the other side.

mm in my limited experience with eczema it is worth really trying to look at the cause of the eczema, and, I am sorry to say, adjust diets etc to suit. Creams are great and help with itching and scratching but the eczema is just a symptom of something else which is the thing that needs attention. M might just grow out of it. My M did largely but still gets the odd bit in the winter when all the central heating is on and she wears tights. And her eczema was vicious and bleeding.

After 4 am chatter and bubble blowing Olly has now unceremoniously been moved into the spare room.

Today is mainly about runny eyes. Runny nose. And dribble.

1 month later I am still bleeding from the fucking wankmirena.

Wish it was sweary Wednesday tomorrow when I go to see the nurse about it. grin

Sophiathesnowfairy Wed 06-Mar-13 12:07:19

Ahh lily that is so sad thanks and makes me feel so blessed to have my DH to do parenthood with.

Sophiathesnowfairy Wed 06-Mar-13 12:08:08

In fact lily I will never whingy about him again.

kissyfur Wed 06-Mar-13 12:17:16

X posts lily so so sorry about your OH

kissyfur Wed 06-Mar-13 12:21:36

Stupid app lost my first post.

Need help, LO having a terrible reflux attack. Screaming and gurgling on acid that is rising up in her throat. It's awful and really scary.what can I do to help her?

Passmethecrisps Wed 06-Mar-13 12:33:00

Poor sausage kissy. Does she take a dummy? I encourage P to suck her dummy and it really helps. She does take encouragement though as it hurts to swallow.

To get her to stop crying long enough to take it blow in her face. She will take a sharp breath and pause. Then you can pop the dummy in. Lots of cuddles and standing on my legs helps P. keeping her rod straight keeps pressure from her gut off the stomach

Passmethecrisps Wed 06-Mar-13 12:36:14

Welcome lilly. I am glad you have come out the woodwork - this is one of the most supportive groups you could find not remotely biased obviously

I am busy mentally composing a rant about amounts and 'advice'

Passmethecrisps Wed 06-Mar-13 12:37:25

Also kissy if LO will take a bottle a wee drop of cool milk can soothe a sore throat. Poor, poor wee thing.

Donnadoon Wed 06-Mar-13 12:39:10

Welcome Lily311 thanks

Kyzordz Wed 06-Mar-13 12:43:26

Thankyou all, I have tried (well, DM did the Sunday before last) and he woke for a feed at 3am so I haven't tried since! He has a lovely little routine, feeds every 3.5-4 hourly, takes 5-8oz, usually closer to 8 and goes to bed at 8, dream feed 10-10:30 then goes till 7, at which point I have to wake him. I don't feel I need to change it and was a bit taken back with how concerned she seemed sad I don't think I force feed him, he took 5oz at his 11am feed and did not want more so I left it at that, which is what I usually do. I expect he will be hungry from about 2:30

Welcome lily so sorry for your loss, I can't imagine going through that sad

ValiumQueen Wed 06-Mar-13 12:46:48

lily311 welcome, and sorry for your loss. I am so glad your little one arrived safely so you will always have a part of her Daddy living on thanks and the best of reasons to carry on living life to the full.

ValiumQueen Wed 06-Mar-13 12:48:08

kirrin why do you think you messed up with DD1? Feel free to ignore, but maybe talking it over would help reduce any stress about weaning LO?

Passmethecrisps Wed 06-Mar-13 12:55:12

Right.

I am thoroughly cheesed off with the pressure on all of us to have a baby who neatly follows a line on a graph. Is there any evidence kyz that E is being overfed? I would suspect not. What solutions or suggestions were given? I suspect none.

I have had medical people gasp at how little P eats and crossly state that I must feed her more because I leave her to starve obviously and others who have shrugged their shoulders and said "well, she looks great".

My sister was told recently that her baby (16 weeks) was 'overweight' and that she should feed him less. She wasn't told how to do this when he is crying and asking for food. The result of this is that she is desperate to start him on solids but doesn't know how. She is too scared to ask because the same HV told her not to consider it until 6 months and just feed him more milk!

Personally, having seen him I don't think he is remotely ready for weaning but she feels that this will be the answer. I have no issue with weaning per se but her lack of knowledge and support worries me greatly.

He takes between 30-35oz per day. As P should supposedly be on 25 per day I can't think that this is massively over what he should be.

I really believe that some of the contradictory advice given by the 'experts' is potentially damaging.

kyz you know your child. You are not pouring it down his throat in a funnel. Do as you feel right within the confines of common sense. At the most I might consider offering one oz less for a couple of feeds per day. See how that goes. As I said to my sister, more important that amounts now is developing and encouraging a healthy attitude towards food is the most important thing.

BigPigLittlePig Wed 06-Mar-13 13:01:44

Hear hear pass
Welcome lily

F has only woken to cry and feed today sad. Just managed to get some calpol into her so hopefully that will kick in before the jabs upset her even more. I don't like today very much.

YellowWellies Wed 06-Mar-13 13:09:47

VQ you're going to be a great health visitor you have such a way with words.

Any news from Casa Detective? Am hoping the losec is helping O.

glendathefedupwitch Wed 06-Mar-13 13:13:07

Ohhhhhh this time last year I spent the whole day sobbing, eating Jaffa cakes watching SATC the movie and realised this wasn't normal pms - and got my skinny hardly there "is that a line" positive!!

Oh and kicked matrons ass!!! And got my hours back to one shift a week!!!! Go me!!!!

TooManyDicksOnTheDancefloor Wed 06-Mar-13 13:14:38

Welcome lily311, what an awful thing to happen, I am so sorry for your loss.

Welcome barefoot and any other lurkers!

I don't see how you can over feed a baby, they eat when they are hungry. Most breastfeed babies feed more regularly than ff babies and who knows how much they take? And breast milk has more calories. How ridiculous telling you your baby will be obese kyz. Ignore, ignore, ignore.

Kyzordz Wed 06-Mar-13 13:21:00

Thanks pass e is offered 8oz at each feed and usually leaves some even if just 1/2 oz. sometimes he takes some then starts to play, but of offered again in 10-15 mins he takes more. Sometimes (like today) he very clearly does not want it at all whatsoever. Wouldn't have it in his mouth. I dont think I could force feed him if I tried! So all he had was 5oz, he is playing happily on the floor so obviously doesn't need more. If he were playing up then he would whinge when I put him on the floor as he would think he wasn't actually going to get the rest. I only feed him when he is hungry, sometimes (rarely) he goes over 4hrs but I haven't minded as he sleeps so well at night it is fine if he goes 4hrly in the day.

Part of me would love to give him a taste of purée but I also do not want to upset his insides. I don't know enough to know what I'm doing. My DM would give me lots of advice but as she says we were on 3 meals a day by his age so she thinks I should at least be offering him tastes by now

Sorry you're having a bad day bplp sad When is she due jabs (sorry if you said already)

Pikz Wed 06-Mar-13 13:22:07

Kyrz ignore ignore. I get grief constantly. LO born on 9th is now 90th. He wears 6-12m at 14 weeks and eats 37-45oz a day and that is without a dream feed. He doesn't sleep longer than 5.5 hrs in one go. I am so sick of being asked probing questions by HV. His dad is 6ft7 so is grandad and his uncle and my bro.he is going to be a big lad get over it people. I have accepted it and will wait for them to!

PetiteRaleuse Wed 06-Mar-13 13:22:29

Agree with the others. My paed says she doesn't mind about weight gain until they are three or four. Weight loss or too slow gain is a different matter.

I had loads of people telling me DD1 was too fat, even her bitch of a CM (not the reason I sacked her). Weight only really becomes an issue when they are past toddlerhood and the chubby stage. There is no such thing as an obese baby. If they eat too much they throw it up. They NEED lots of milk because they are growing so fast - at the fastest pace they will ever grow in their lives.

People are being given such stupid advice, and I'm not going to say it's just in Britain as here they are equally stupid about weight.

PetiteRaleuse Wed 06-Mar-13 13:24:33

And purees etc - at the beginning they eat so little of it, and there are very few calories in steamed veg anyway, that they still need to drink lots of milk - as much as before the first few weeks and until six months if you wean a little earlier.

BigPigLittlePig Wed 06-Mar-13 13:28:17

I was a whopper as a baby, but only ever had 5oz at a time apparently, even when quite old. I'm not fat now, nor was I once I started to move! Babies all need different amounts of food, as long as they're growing ok I wouldn't worry about what they're taking. Like yw said, those of us who have ebf babies haven't got a clue what they're taking.

kyz jabs are this afternoon.

kissyfur Wed 06-Mar-13 13:28:37

Thanks pass I have tried to get her to take a dummy but she won't have it. And she's never had a bottle. I tried keeping her upright but had to get DD1 dressed etc sad

I think this has been caused by me eating red onion in a salad last night, just fed her again and I'm terrified it's going to happen again. I feel awful

TheDetective Wed 06-Mar-13 13:40:52

<Runs on to thread screeching MY BABY IS FIXED while mooning at every one motherfuckers!!!!!!!>

It's a motherfucking fabulous wednesday here!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Oh. My. God. My baby, he is himself! It's amazing! I love you Omeperazole! I FUCKING LOVE YOU!!!!

I've washed my hair and put my slap on. O happily played in his cot, then on my bed while I did this. We went to baby group. He has been on his playmat for 40 minutes now. Fuckadoodledo!

The only thing missing is smiles. He's not as smiley today. But i'll get those later I'm sure! Either way, velcro has gone, and settled baby has resumed!

PetiteRaleuse Wed 06-Mar-13 13:54:41

Yay Detective that's fab news smile

PetiteRaleuse Wed 06-Mar-13 14:02:06

LO has worked out how to take her dummy out. She does it often. Then she holds it in her hands and stares at it and wonders what to do with it now. Then she cries because she wants her dummy. Then she cries because I take her dummy from her hand, but settles when I put it back in her mouth. Until she takes it out again, and stares at it in her hand and wonders what the fuck to do with it now. Then she cries because she wants her fucking dummy. So I prise the fucking dummy out of her bloody hand, and pop it back in her mouth. And the whole fucking cycle starts again.

Hours of hilarious fun.

You'd think right, just give her a second dummy to stare at, but no, because then she takes the other dummy out with her other hand and stares at both of them. Then cries for a fucking dummy.

My daughter is addicted to fucking dummies.

ValiumQueen Wed 06-Mar-13 14:17:12

PR grin sorry, but that is hilarious! Give her three dummies?

YW thank you smile

detective wow! Wow! WOW! So pleased for you!

ValiumQueen Wed 06-Mar-13 14:18:51

kissy fucking onions! Hope LO is soon happier.

Lilliana Wed 06-Mar-13 14:20:27

Sorry PR but your post did make me laugh. Must be a frustrating cycle though <tries to be sympathetic through image of your DD and handfuls of dummies>

Yay Detective excellent news

I have no clue how much L eats, she was slow to grow and HV kept on measuring her as she dropped percentiles but I knew she was ok, happy, settled etc then suddenly she had a massive growth spurt around 10/11 weeks and is now apparently fine. They are babies not machines and do not grow at a steady rate to fit your bloody graphs! I feel the same way about children's progress at school but that is another matter <here ends the rant>

Today I am attempting to clean windows but day 2 of velcro baby is not helping.

ValiumQueen Wed 06-Mar-13 14:22:41

I am going to have to wake DS again to do the fucking school run.

My hair is falling out in handfuls and being replaced by grey sad

I weighed myself today, thinking I have put on a stone or so since my pathetic attempt at dieting in the new year. I have put on a total of fuck all! Still a fat fucker, but thankfully not an even-fatter-fucker.

Lilliana Wed 06-Mar-13 14:27:03

L's passport arrived today - the world is our oyster!

We now need a travel cot does anyone have any recommendations?

Also I have reached my pre preg weight smile mainly through hair loss!!! Now to lose another 2 stone.

TheDetective Wed 06-Mar-13 14:36:38

Have now read the thread. Chatty sods!

I've forgotten everything I wanted to say. hmm

Except, welcome Lily. You will fit in nicely around these places. It's the best postnatal gaff going wink. I'm so sorry your OH passed away. How awful, you must be going through so much. Stick around and share the joys and the crap! of motherhood with us!

TheDetective Wed 06-Mar-13 14:41:52

Don't talk to me about hair loss Lilliana! ROFL about the weight loss grin

Yes, WOWFUCKINGWOW VQ I can't believe the difference! It's so fucking good. I've cried, but only tears of happiness today! Time to enjoy my lovely baby again!!

Kyzordz Wed 06-Mar-13 14:47:16

Yay!!!! So pleased det smile

Hope jabs go ok bplp

I thought that pr, they won't be eating much anyway at first so still need to drink plenty. My original plan was to offer a spoon or two at a random point during the day of the same puréed something for 3-4 days running, not building up in amount for a few weeks, just offering different tastes. Was planning on offering it one day and if he seems ready carry on but if not leave it another week.

Can't remember what else I was gonba say. kirrin hope LO is ok

BigPigLittlePig Wed 06-Mar-13 14:53:12

The nurse took one look at Fs red puffy eyes and streaming nose, ignored the gummy grin, and re-booked jabs for next week. So we're on the sofa with chocolate and greys anatomy (me) and mummy cuddles and milk (F).

Glad to see service as normal in camp detective

PetiteRaleuse Wed 06-Mar-13 15:12:22

Bastard Grey's Anatomy are on a break, next episode not until next week. Like my baker, who the fuck do these people think they are having holidays? Eh?

And I missed last week's two episodes of Dexter and on catch up it's only in French and it just doesn't sound right. Bastard flu making me too tired to stay up last week.

Going to Germany this weekend to stock up on nappies and wipes and will buy a bucketful of dummies and just tip them into LO's sleeping areas so she can't do the dummy game. It's really fucking boring. I will dazzle her with dummies.

She'll have so many dummies she won't know what to do with them. I will outsmart that wily baby oh yes grin

Jabs tomorrow morning woo hooo. I think these are the last ones before the MMRV which is at 12 months? 9months? Not immediately anyway. LO is a dream at the Dr's she is so ticklish. Doesn't enjoy the jabs but gets distracted soon afterwards by tickles.

That's good that they didn't do them today Pig

ShellyBobbs Wed 06-Mar-13 15:13:27

Welcome lilly. What a horrendous start you've had, I'm so very sorry. Your little girl is one very special lady.

PetiteRaleuse Wed 06-Mar-13 15:14:09

I got my first grey hairs after my first pregnancy, plucked them out and they haven't come back yet. Haven't lost too much post this pregnancy though. Not much to lose though my hair is stupidly fine.