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November 2012 - They WERE sleeping, what happened?

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StuntNun Tue 26-Feb-13 06:27:42
wellieboots Tue 26-Feb-13 06:33:08

Marking place - mine now will NOT sleep and is constantly grouchy - total nightmare! 4 month sleep regression?

MissMummy1 Tue 26-Feb-13 06:42:05

12 week growth spurt - give me back my baby!! angry

Catbag Tue 26-Feb-13 08:41:09

Were they sleeping? Really though? NO!

<squeaks hysterically>

StuntNun Tue 26-Feb-13 08:42:45

Some were Cat. Not mine though. hmm

ChunkyChicken Tue 26-Feb-13 08:55:06

<shuffles in wearing milk-and-vom-strewn dressing gown, rubs bleary eyes and yawns. Looks around, half-heartedly waves. Grunts at thread title. Shuffles out>

ShellyBobbs Tue 26-Feb-13 10:00:33

I've still not had sex.

Same here shelly

Plus don't want to!

Pikz Tue 26-Feb-13 10:29:22

Cat mine wasnt sleeping either....

StuntNun Tue 26-Feb-13 11:43:06

Mine was definitely sleeping better, we were down to one feed per night. Oh those were the days.

BigPigLittlePig Tue 26-Feb-13 12:07:03

What happened was that babylaughalot stole the sleepy dust wink

PennieLane Tue 26-Feb-13 12:28:56

<whispers> still 10/11 hours here, but this is the thread for 4 month regression so will no doubt be joining you all in wee hours soon sad

Why are my babies sleeping like newborns still? They just don't seem to ever be awake! They can't manage more than 90 minutes of awake time, ever!

They are up around 7:30am then morning nap around 8:45am for 1.5 hours and I usually have to wake them, then back for afternoon nap around 11:45am until 2:30pm then they howl and make a fuss an hour later and have another 45 minutes at 3:30pm! They sleep loads at night so no need to be so sleepy in the day. We can never really do much as they are grumpy and moany when tired. DT2 had meltdown in Sainsburys trolley on Sunday because she wanted to sleep and couldn't! Plus they always want to sleep in their cots, never anywhere else!

I am not complaining but I am wondering if they will ever stay awake for more than 90 minutes at a time!

ChunkyChicken Tue 26-Feb-13 12:57:30

garden you will rue the day you complained about them sleeping too much grin

Some of the sleepy dust obviously came our way too (sorry). He went back to his bed between 8-9, wake once between 3.30-5.30 for a feed & back to sleep immediately, then up between 7-8 routine. After the night before when both of them were up ALL NIGHT I'm still shattered but its a fantastic improvement. (Again, apologies smile )

God chunky not complaining! grin

Just wondering when we can go out and do things I see other mothers doing!

PetiteRaleuse Tue 26-Feb-13 15:03:16

<whispers> no sleep problems here unless you count MY insomnia. Sweary Wednesday tomorrow everyone grin

ValiumQueen Tue 26-Feb-13 15:31:43

Mine wasn't sleeping but seems to be now. I am also shagging like a bunny.

PurplePidjin Tue 26-Feb-13 18:09:04


Decaffeinated coffee has caffeine in sad so does chai latte. I hate herbal tea. Any suggestions??

BigPigLittlePig Tue 26-Feb-13 18:59:58

pp I have hot summer fruits squash, or honey & lemon <yum>

sweetpea1112 Tue 26-Feb-13 19:20:54

<quietly sneaks back onto thread which seems less daunting with only a few posts >

Hi all,

I was an occasional poster/lurker a few weeks back, but felt slightly intimidated by all of your greater knowledge and wisdom and quietly retreated. However, having bumped into detective on another thread I am back.

Oscar is 13weeks tomorrow, born 28/11 and is on ok-ish sleeper but nothing amazing. Goes down at 7:30, wakes at 12 and 4 for feeds and up for the day at 7ish. He was a wee dot at 6lb 1oz at birth so am blaming his small size on his not being able to sleep for longer than 5 hours at a time.

Second lot of jabs tomorrow which I am completely dreading as the first lot resulted in an all night screamathon confused

Catbag Tue 26-Feb-13 19:33:42

Excellent news on podgy babies YW and BP!

Erm, sorry you're having to wash cutlery VQ

MM What awful luck, and horrible inconvenience. Car insurance companies are up with Student Finance as my most hated institutions to have to interact with.

Did I read earlier that someone had expressed 18oz? Was that in one go? <stunned>

MissMummy1 Tue 26-Feb-13 19:37:27

Vq I bloody better have another car by then. Or at least a courtesy car while the fuckers at my insurance deal with it angry

I finally got in touch with the woman. I made her cry sad Her car has cost £91 to be repaired. She tried to blame the fact I had an 'old car that bent easily' for the extent of the damage hmm Wish me luck with the insurance bastards!

Catbag Tue 26-Feb-13 19:39:53

An old car that bent easily? If it were not so irritating for you, I'd have to laugh at that. What utter drivel.

StuntNun Tue 26-Feb-13 19:41:38

Welcome back Sweetpea, we are not wise, some are experts in their chosen area but the rest of us are faking.

I am irked at DH because I bought two new bras today and went to show one off to him and he said, "It's very big isn't it?" as if I'd bought a Triumph Doreen or something. Of course it's big, I'm breastfeeding! Turns out he meant because it's a full cup. I'm pretty sure skimpy nursing bras don't exist.

Catbag Tue 26-Feb-13 19:43:16

Hi sweetpea and welcome (back) to the quiche! There is naught to be frightened of here... unless you are a journalouse, in which case PR will tie you up in knots and detective will bark at you. Oh, and MM eviscerates those who would have a problem with women breastfeeding in public...

Catbag Tue 26-Feb-13 19:43:39


MissMummy1 Tue 26-Feb-13 19:44:25

Stunt I have a skimpy nursing bra for my small boobs and it's a bugger. Breast pads fall out. Sometimes full boobs too if missus skips a feed . blush

MissMummy1 Tue 26-Feb-13 19:45:31

catbag grin

sweetpea1112 Tue 26-Feb-13 19:46:15

Ha, I have heard about the famous PR grin I have never written for the DM so should be safe.

Is anyone able to add me to the fb group?

Catbag Tue 26-Feb-13 19:49:21

You should be able to find it if you search for Nov 12 Babies on FB sweetpea- our group is the one with the picture of a pregnant woman lying on her back, and a flower on her bump smile

Catbag Tue 26-Feb-13 19:51:27

Hmm, just did a quick search and I don't think you can see the picture on the search. It is on the list though. It is the closed group with 74 members.

sweetpea1112 Tue 26-Feb-13 19:52:45

Group found. Request made. Thanks!

Sophiathecheesefairy Tue 26-Feb-13 19:55:07

I thought I had lost you. Where to find you?

"Know where it is" says DS1 at 2.5?

I know.

Most Bloody Active. Where else?! grin

My DH is brilliant. Not only is he building me a house with a veiw or two, he is making dinner every night this week while we are here. I luvs him. <all loved up emoticon>

Donnadoon Tue 26-Feb-13 19:57:13

Hi everyone Im still keeping up at the back...bought the ikea highchair today £12 plus £4 for the tray and what Im really impressed with is the inflatable insert thingy £5.50..its ever so smart looking.

ChunkyChicken Tue 26-Feb-13 20:02:04

DD must be better. She's being a pickle without the help of choc or calpol & driving me potty.

DS is currently having his bedtime feed early because he's tired.

DH is making me miss a Mummy Meet-up to drive him to the hospital. He's only having a minor op on skin tags near his eye & thinks this might affect his ability to drive. How U is that??!!! grin. To be fair though, we only have 1 car, so I'd still find it difficult to do what I want if he could drive but still.angry <--- grumpy bollocks face

Welcome back sweetpea. We're all just fumbling around in the dark confusion that is caring for a newborn. Some just hide it better than others wink

Great weight gains YW & BPLP. I failed to get A weighed today, but hopng he will have doubled by now too (he only has to get to 13lb 14, & he was 13lb 5.5 4wks ago!!) smile

Passmethecrisps Tue 26-Feb-13 20:02:44

<laughs uproariously at sweetpea being scared by our knowledge>

Welcome back sweetpea. Don't be scared. We talk a lot of shite really.

Mm I am furious on your behalf. What sort of tosser crashes into a parked car and drives off?? Accidents happen but bloody well own up.

garden p can only go 90 mins between naps still. She might only sleep 30 mins sometimes but she has a total meltdown if she doesn't get a nap on time. Similarly she is very picky about nap places. I tried to gently stretch it a bit today but it just makes her completely overtired and a complete screaming nightmare.

Well, I would quite like swears Wednesday to start already but I will hold back.

P woke this morning at 7:30 as normal. All smiles and cheery. I managed to get her to go almost 2 hours before her nap - she went down fine and slept for 1hr 30 mins which is really unusual. Again, she woke all smiles and cheery.

Then it all went to shit. She wanted to go back to sleep really soon so I put her down but she screamed blue murder. Gave her more food in case she was hungry. She ate, looked sleepy then screamed more blue murder when I put her down.

Basically blah blah blah for an hour.

Eventually she slept for 30 sodding minutes and woke up crying. Looked knackered but wouldn't sleep. Gave her meds and tried to feed her - total screaming habdabs.

After more screaming and general hysteria she finally went to sleep and slept for 2 hours.

Look - I'll stop now and sum up. She has wanted to do nothing but sleep but can't/won't nothing obvious stopping her and even though she has slept for mammoth naps she was still hysterical at bed time.

I started the change from infant gaviscon to carobel today so I am wondering if that has anything to do with it. She just seems to have got more miserable as the day has gone on.

She is now in her basket mumping and moaning


sweetpea1112 Tue 26-Feb-13 20:04:59

Does anyone know what the guidance is for giving pre-emptive Calpol before jabs? Trying to get it into a screaming baby after the last jabs was Fucking awful interesting and he seemed in a lot of pain as the injection sites were red and swollen sad

sweetpea1112 Tue 26-Feb-13 20:07:45

garden O can only manage 90mins awake time. Literally as soon as he had been awake 90mins the yawning and face rubbing starts. Could set my watch by him. If I had a watch.

Today his 'naps' were 2.5 hours long each time which isn't normal for him. 12 week growth spurt methinks.

Elizadoesdolittle Tue 26-Feb-13 20:08:39

Gosh I down tools for an hour and take advantage of a sleeping baby by having a loverly relaxing and you all go and get a new thread!

TheDetective Tue 26-Feb-13 20:11:57

Why is it now DP is home, O is happily lying on his mat, and I look like a lying bastard sitting in a pig sty?! Even his sleeps haven't been peaceful, and moving away from him was impossible! The sofa has an imprint of my arse on it.

Have done SFA all day, I tried to just butter nutella a slice of bread earlier. The 1 minute it took he screamed blue murder.

Ooooh, little sod, I know your game!

MM Exactly the same as what happened to me, idiot reversed in to the back of my car. Unluckily mine isn't a write off, but the hassle, oh god, the hassle, the increase in my premiums even though it wasn't my fault, and I wasn't in my car. It has fucked me off royally. All I wanted was the guy to stump up the £200 odd quid for a new bumper, but no, he's decided to be a twat over it, so now have all the hassle of the insurers. To make matters worse, I have a c1 as a hire car. We can't go out in the fucking thing! Car seat doesn't fit, buckle crunches, and the pram doesn't fit anywhere in it!

BigPigLittlePig Tue 26-Feb-13 20:27:15

Not sure what to do. LO had a bath (with me, lovely smile ), fed and fell asleep - soundly. Have put her down in her crib, a full hour before usual. After this afternoons epic pram-nap, there's not a lot to do. I've forgotten how to spend time for me...

mm bet you can't wait for sweary Wednesday eh!
sweetpea we make up for lack of knowledge by talking a load of old cobblers mostly

kirrinIsland Tue 26-Feb-13 20:31:15

Welcome back sweetpea

That's shit mm - I never understand people who don't own up to things like that. Lucky your neighbour saw them.

pp decaf coffee had caffeine in it? I'm trying and failing to give up caffeine, and clearly I'm not doing as well as I thought! I have gone 2 whole days without coke/coke zero though, which is pretty good for me.

PetiteRaleuse Tue 26-Feb-13 20:31:30

Hello Sweetpea welcome back. We swear a lot. Especially on Wednesdays. So, if you haven't written for the DM who have you written for? grin

Why when I Dr sodding Google stiff neck does it tell me I have meningitis? I don't have meningitis I have flu. I just wanted to check that stiff neck was a normal symptom. Is it?

Why is DD1 listening to Gangnam Style on repeat on youtube tonight? I prefer the sodding Duck Song.

BigPigLittlePig Tue 26-Feb-13 20:35:38

Spoke to soon.
Oh well.

sweetpea1112 Tue 26-Feb-13 20:38:01

grin PR, badly worded as I haven't written for anyone. See, I would never make a journo.

I have read about sweary Wednesday (which my auto correct changed to sweaty Wednesday - a not too distant possibility if O doesn't let me have time for a shower tomorrow...) bring it on...grin

Contradictionincarnate Tue 26-Feb-13 20:39:02

welcome back sweetpea!!!
sorry ladies for my crappy phone and how the last thread ended what an anti climax!
guess what dd been sleeping since 7! me and dh ate together ... all be it on the sofa! now watching copious episodes of office... that's how we roll!

PetiteRaleuse Tue 26-Feb-13 20:45:29

contra I thought it was deliberate, and funny

MissMummy1 Tue 26-Feb-13 20:46:28

Fuckity fuck fuck. I am having sweary wednesday today.

Bastarding insurance twunts want £750 up front until they can prove it wasn't my fault. I wasn't even in the sodding car. I think I'll just have the car scrapped. Was only going to be worth £5/600 and we'll probably get half of that in scrap value. We'll save £200ish on a service and MOT too.

I am so fucking upset about the whole thing. Bastard woman. I hope she gets flu angry

Hello new thread, hello sweetpea. Good luck with the jabs tomorrow, I gave Calpol after the first jabs but he was ok after the 2nd (after an initial grump obviously). We have 3rd jabs on Thurs and I am really dreading those. Our poor little poppets.

I haven't had sex either. I'd quite like to but I just don't see how we can get to be alone together.

Sophiathecheesefairy Tue 26-Feb-13 20:56:50

mm is not sweary Wednesday yet. Slaps wrist. But seriously hold your horses on scrapping car. Obviously there is a profit to be made between £750 and £5/6000 and you have got a witness as well. So it does look good for you and you do need a new car so the monies would help. Sleep on it and see how you feel after sweary Wednesday.

Welcome back sweetpea just like pass said....... A great group to be part of couldn't be without it.

Have a great night contra all good in the diction household.

horseylady Tue 26-Feb-13 20:57:17

I rarely complain about dh but recently he's being an arse.

I think before this week is out we will have words. I might suggest he goes to his dads. Trying to be nice as its coming up to a year since his mum died. A year ago tomorrow I got my bfp!!

In other news I've been for a run and didn't leak. Seemingly my pelvic floor has started to return.

MissMummy1 Tue 26-Feb-13 21:00:16

Sorry sophia blush smile

Say it's worth £500. We get £250 in scrap. £200 was the maximum I was going to pay to put it through an MOT next week. We are only really losing £50 and have no hassle.

I may contact the woman again and see if I can't get £1/200 out of her.

PetiteRaleuse Tue 26-Feb-13 21:03:39

thanks horsey you know we're here if you need to rant.

Why am I in so much pain? Bastard fecking flu.

BigPigLittlePig Tue 26-Feb-13 21:10:04

<applauds horseys pelvic floor>
<applauds mms premature swearing>

F managed 5 minutes in her crib, back down with me now which is good as I was feeling lonely, nutter

An old lady scraped all the paint off my car whilst I was in it and drove off...she did come back and leave a note to be fair, but I couldn't believe she didn't stop at the time.

Going into my old work tomorrow to say hello - here's hoping F is in a good mood and dazzles them all with lots of smiles.

YellowWellies Tue 26-Feb-13 21:12:06

blonder we might be scarring DS for life but errrr we've not been alone either - wait til LO is asleep and don't look in the direction of the crib blush some of his sleep fart percussion accompaniment has had us in fits of laughter! grin

Another thread!

M has been a delightful angel since daddy got home. She's been awake since 5 and happily sitting and chatting in her chair and on DHs knee. Typical grin

I've just been looking at the next stage car seats, has anyone decided what they're getting? Are people going for ERF? They're so expensive shock

Don't forget to wish me luck, I'm going for my bum hole probed at 10am tomorrow shockblush

MissMummy1 Tue 26-Feb-13 21:18:30

<joins the bad parent club> M was in the room here too. blush Admitably a very big bedroom. And we did turn the moses basket around and put her in the corner. It was like being a teenager again and having sex in your parent's house whilst trying not to be caught. Bad MissMummy1. now worried I was the only wayward teenager blush

<<joins the really bad parent club>> M is sitting in her swing, sucking her thumb. I have moved it to infront of the TV.... For the first time since we got home she has stopped crying though. I'll move her in 10 minutes.

MissMummy1 Tue 26-Feb-13 21:19:47

What is ERF?

When do they move to the next seat?

Are people buying a multi stage carseat or just the next stage?

I have so many questions about car seats! I need a sodding car first angry

horseylady Tue 26-Feb-13 21:22:01

pr it's ok I know he's stressed and he's stressing about money but he won't stick to what he said and so makes me feel like he doesn't trust me. It'll be ok. Well just have the same conversation again. And again.

Ds screening the house down. I think it's going to be a long night sad

daisychain76 Tue 26-Feb-13 21:23:52

Hello new thread and welcome back sweetpea.

Good day today. H had a mammoth 3 hour nap this morning. Amazing how much you can get done when you are expecting to hear a “how dare you leave me in my cot“~type sqwark any monent.

May have overdone it as~worryingly for a teacher~ sleep deprivation now seems to me affecting my ability to spell!

Contradictionincarnate Tue 26-Feb-13 21:26:53

well that was short but sweet ...dd's second evening nap...she is 12 weeks old today thought some miracles would have occured and she would be on her way to being the perfect baby by now or at least I would know what I was doing in truth I'm just surviving each day!

BigPigLittlePig Tue 26-Feb-13 21:28:53

daisy that's what happened in the pig house this afternoon - was like a woman possessed for the duration of her nap grin

thanks horsey hope LO quietens down soon

F has one size 1 nappy left before she's going into size 2s. <wails> my baby's growing uuuup

Sophiathecheesefairy Tue 26-Feb-13 21:54:20

That is a massive achievement horsey I too went for my first run in two years this morning, just 20 mins down the beach and back. I too did not wee!! grin

Is ridiculous how chuffed I was.

bigpig maybe she didn't have a any paper with her. hmm

Olly has started to love CBeebies blush when it is on and he is facing the other way he rolls onto his side and bend his neck backwards to see, often ending up starting to swizzle round in a circle. We also had some very strange lying on back and pushing with legs in a sort upside down back to front crawling effort (a bit like a caterpillar) he moved about a meter like this.

Kyzordz Tue 26-Feb-13 21:55:55

bplp bless her! I cried when ds went to size 2. He is size 4 now and very big, they don't seem to stop! Took him for his photos again today. Lady said shocked 'he's not very stable is he?' I say 'no, he can't sit up', she says 'oh bless, a late bloomer' and when I said 'no, he's 16 weeks' she looked so shocked! Okay so he's big but he's still just a tiny baby <grumps>

Hope he settles horsey

Glad the stay down is working detective. Does o drink cooled boiled water at all? It's just I think sometimes constipation can occur with thicker milks, e usually manages half an oz to an oz of water with a little sugar each day because if he's not offered it he can have a hard time doing a poo. I've found he does seem to like a swig to wash the milk down with too but that might just be him!

We dtd with ds in the room, just quietly blush. End up in fits of giggles though usually, e farts alot and you just have to laugh!

He woke up for an hour again last night. Just to chat and annoy me on purpose. He spent the day smiling at everyone but me, as usual. It's like everyone else just has to look at him to get smiles, and I have to work bloody hard to get even a glimpse of one!

Welcome back sweetpea

Forgot what else I meant to say. Very tired. Oh, hope LO is ok pr and hope you feel better soon too!

I have 4 tubs of AR milk now, and another 4 ordered and confirmed smile good beans!

ValiumQueen Tue 26-Feb-13 21:57:59

ERF is extended rear facing, and very expensive. The idea is to keep kids rear facing, thus safer, until the age of 4. I have MaxiCosiPriory for DD2 and the same seat but isofix ready for J (long story)

The most important thing is not to put baby forward facing before 9 months, even if they have reached the weight, or indeed outgrown the infant seat. Their head can be a bit over the top of an infant carrier, but if level with ears, they will need a bigger rear facing seat. Britax do a seat that is kinda ERF. Britax First Class Plus, which would be a sensible buy if baby does need a new rear facer, and it can stay that way longer, or go forward facing and lasts until age 4 I think. Parents often say about their legs folding up, but it is better to have broken legs than a broken neck.

If he was in a crib that would be one thing... but the cot is attached to our bed! I'm sure we'll get around to it at some point. At least no worries about contraception.

Hope you all get good nights... We're off to a bad start as L is currently wide awake and babbling. Signing out x

daisychain76 Tue 26-Feb-13 21:59:28

Isn‘t it at around 20 pounds/9 months they move to next stage car seats. Got a mamas and pappas one for ds1 which will have its 3rd use with H so l reckon it was good value (cost about £100). I subsccribed to Which online for a month (costs a pound but you have remember to cancel) and read the reviews.

Let‘s hope this is a trend bigpig (the napping not the frantic cramming stuff in)!

ValiumQueen Tue 26-Feb-13 22:07:04

J went for a nap at 6.30 and is still asleep. Hoping he is not up all night. Hoping this is the sleep-of-the-growth-spurted. Trying not to worry. It is so odd him being asleep.

I went to Asda tonight on my own! Weird. Felt naked without a kid or three. Had a lovely browse, got a couple of bits and pieces for DD2s birthday in the sale section (leggings - the kid is obsessed with leggings) and an 'I love my Grandma' t-shirt for DS.

DS is in his own room now, so we can get jiggy without an audience. Just have to make sure the girls are fast asleep and try not to be too noisy. Must get a lock on the door really. The stair gate can block off their side of the landing, so there is a barrier there, albeit one DD1 can un-do.

Has anyone else put LO in their own room, or am I the only bad mummy?

ValiumQueen Tue 26-Feb-13 22:07:55

J is up grin I knew posting that would wake him!

Kyzordz Tue 26-Feb-13 22:14:25

Been fretting over the car seat recently vq as ds's legs are already bent up in it when it is rear facing. His seat says you can forward face from 9Kg or keep rear facing till 10kg but he's about 7 now I think so it probably won't last until 9 months I don't think. His feet sit flat on the back of the back seats and his legs bend, but surely they'll do that in any rear facing seat as the bottom of the seat touches the back of the cars seats iyswim?

Guessing I need another seat that will do him rear facing for a larger weight, and his legs will just have to be bent? confused

Gonna has a look at seats now

Elizadoesdolittle Tue 26-Feb-13 22:19:47

I did a hell of a lot of research snf agonising when it was time to change DD1's car seat. i had seen all the information about how extended rear facing is so much safer than forward facing but at the time I had a car that wouldn't have taken an erf for an up to 4 yr old. Plus i needed a seat to move eadily from car to car. So i got a kiddy guardian pro. It has a bumper thing rather than a harness. I was quite sceptical but got it due to the safety reviews, and I've been very pleased with it. Its quite expensive but will last till shes 12. Haven't had to test it's safety records as haven't had a crash thank goodness. -ignores all the scrapes and minor incidents I have been involved in- I will just get e one of those. DD1 was in her maxicosi cabriofix till she was one. I expect E will be in it till she's 2 if she carries on growing at the rate she is!

Got E's consultant appointment in the morning. The little bugger hasn't taken any of the sns since the first day I got it. She's been feeding loads though so will see what they say.

Night all, see you on sweary Wednesday grin

Contradictionincarnate Tue 26-Feb-13 22:25:53

when you convert to front facing seat can you still you ISOfix? dd wide awake just had ff as my nips are killing me couldn't keep going all night! no bottles cleaned though so used one of those disposable bottles ...how lazy!! they were supposed to be a treat for weekends away so I don't take sterilizer and need to spend time doing it and for if we pop out but I don't think dd would need feed!

YellowWellies Tue 26-Feb-13 22:28:29

blonder we have a bedside crib too - the bed nest. And err a really big bed and a deep sleeping baby blush I think I'm winning the bad mummy prize VQ! DS will be in his own room when we move in April. In this rental there's no space for him in the spare room!

daisychain76 Tue 26-Feb-13 22:30:06

Doh, thought H‘s cheeky wipes were going mouldy or something for the last couple of days as they smelt sort of musty. Just twigged l put teatree oil in the water rather than lavender last time l refilled it. Lucky l didn‘t throw them away then...

StuntNun Tue 26-Feb-13 22:31:13

The advice is not to give pre-emptive Calpol for jabs Sweetpea as it reduces the effectiveness of the vaccine. IME they don't react as badly / at all to the later jabs so he may not need Calpol this time.

Fatima I want a car seat that can be reclined for the next stage. Otherwise it looks really uncomfortable when they fall asleep with their head lolling forwards.

That's shit about your car MM. thanks

Welcome back sweetpea our little ones were born on the same day!

Well, am hoping to keep back a bit of the sleepy dust for tonight but am sending the rest of it to you all and hoping you all get restful nights!

So I had a 2nd conversation with my employer today about my job when I return in November. Sometimes my role requires that I travel round the country, and if I have an early morning appointment somewhere then I would have stayed over the night before previously. I've said that this is the only part of my role that I can't now do, I have to make sure that I can be around to drop babylaughalot at nursery and pick her up at the end of the day because I can't guarantee DP will be around (he's a contractor current working 12 hr days and quite often works out of town) and I want consistency in her routine. It might be that this is a 'blocker' to me going back so I'm wondering what to do. I need to look into what rights I have, how much maternity pay I'd have to give back if I didn't return and what I'd do instead.

Would it be crazy to think of becoming a chldminder? I used to be a primary school teacher...so many things to think about confused

Pikz Tue 26-Feb-13 22:32:26

Hmmmm first feed of night done... This will either make for a really crap night or a really good one.

VQ LO been in his own room since 7/8 weeks due to outgrowing Moses basket and sounding like a farmyard/ doing river dance/ conducting everything.

ValiumQueen Tue 26-Feb-13 22:41:36

contra isofix works for front facing too.

kyz where is his head in relation to the top of the seat?

TheDetective Tue 26-Feb-13 22:41:50


Hold fire!

My insurance (Sheilas Wheels lol!) said the same thing. I would have to pay excess to garage then claim it back.

I argued that as I was not in the car, and could not be at fault, I should not have to pay. After 'speaking to her manager' she agreed that the excess 'could be waived in this case' as it was pretty much a cut and dry situation, plus there was a witness.

I also went along the lines that if I had to pay the excess at this time, then the car wouldn't be going in for repair for the next 6 months, so they would have to wait for it to be resolved. I told them I was on maternity leave on limited pay, and didn't have the money to spare up front.

Try similar?

Evilwater Tue 26-Feb-13 22:43:15

VQ- N gas been in his own room for a while now. It was just getting crazy, P would wake at the snoring of N while I slept. grin

N is still a very grumpy baby, no teeth yet. sad my mum and I have discovered alot of the whining is due to boredom. N gets bored by everything quickly, and is aware of toys he's played with that day. It's very tempting to place him in front of the TV.

I'm hoping the weather will get better, as its bitterly cold for a walk and both he and I are going slightly nuts at being indoors. For tomorrow I've bought some food colouring for us to play with, Mixing it with flour and oil ect. We've had music time today and its the first time he shuffled his bum! grin

Any other idears to keep him occupied? Yes I have used the cat toys too. ( bad mummy)


Passmethecrisps Tue 26-Feb-13 22:46:26

evil my cat thinks all toys are hers so I can never fully tell who currently has ownership of the squeaky, rattley things

TheDetective Tue 26-Feb-13 22:49:48

Waves at Sweetpea! grin

Well, my 'not that interested in feeding' boy has suddenly become very interested in his feed.

He downed 4 out of his 6oz bottles, and took a 4oz and 5 oz bottle as well. That is 33oz today. A record for him! The most he had ever taken was 30oz, usual being 18-28oz. He usually only finishes one bottle in a day.

If he does similar tomorrow, I'll have to start making 7oz.

He looks much happier when feeding now. Poor baby! I'm glad it has helped him.

VQ He is still in with us because I am lazy and can lie there and rock the basket if he wakes! as he hasn't outgrown the basket, I think it will last him til 6 months, even though he is long. Will just keep him in there as long as we can, because it suits me at the minute. My basket is 75cm long, O is 65/66cm I think. So we have some room yet. Also, because he is swaddled, I think it helps with not being able to wave hands/legs about.

I am looking forward to being able to get in my wardrobe 24/7 though!

Evilwater Tue 26-Feb-13 22:51:19

Pass- I'm glad I'm not the only one.
Dectecive - insurance companies are awful!
MM- I hope things get better soon.
VQ- no I havent thought about the next car seat.


MissMummy1 Tue 26-Feb-13 22:53:41

Thanks detective - if the car was worth more or I had planned to keep it I would be more determined to go through insurance. DP is convinced he will get some money out of the couple. Even if we dont we'll only be £50 worse off if we get the min weighing it in and had had to spend the min getting it through an mot. And we now wont have the hassle of insurance or increase in premium to worry about (I did a quote for next year without accident and with accident - despite it not being my fault) and it shot up by £45 shock Bastards.

I am fine now. I think I was a bit shocked earlier. Mad as I've been in a couple of accidents in the past and I wasnt even in the sodding car this time when it happened. I think the fact I cant open Matildas door puts things into perspective. It is metal and we are both fine smile .

Thank you all for your kind words and support. You lot are often better than RL support! thanks I am adding today's missed gin to my allowance when i stop bfing! grin

TheDetective Tue 26-Feb-13 22:54:23

I have the best MIL. She made me a cake today, and sent me a picture! DP picked it up at 9pm. It is now all gone.

Fucking hell it was amazing!! A very light sponge, with cream and fresh strawberries in the middle, with whipped cream on top, more strawberries, and crumbled chocolate, then some chocolate drizzles too.

FUCK YEAH! Kicks thoughts of diet out of mind.

How awesome!

Contradictionincarnate Tue 26-Feb-13 22:54:39

thanks vq my dad has just got one too he would kill me if he could only use it for next 6 months ...hoping to have a few outings smile
dd not in own room idea is starting to grow on me now but dh is away 3 nights on business and 4 on a stag do next month! and I don't want to tackle this til he gets back. also not sure how others do it but dd doesn't go down til 11 after hours of bf in bed not sure how it would work!
are Moses baskets only suitable for up to 3 months though? (dd is 12 weeks today).
She is looking pretty big in it and she can make the floor creak when she moves!

TheDetective Tue 26-Feb-13 22:56:04

Same here MM mine went up by £100.

I hate to say it though, if you have reported the accident to the insurance company, even though you decide not to claim, it is still classed as an incident, and you have to declare it.

Yes. They are utter utter cunts.

Passmethecrisps Tue 26-Feb-13 23:00:05

Think 6 months is 'the norm' contra. I think P will be in hers until 6 months.

detective what have you done to help O? I so wish P could consistently enjoy her meals. She has once had 26oz - for her weight she should be on 25oz on average. I think her daily average is more like 21oz. Today she has had an extra feed and still is unlikely to hit 20oz.

I wish I could stop worrying about what goes in her gob.

Contra babylaughalot only spent the first night out of her basket yesterday (shes 13 weeks tomorrow) simply because she was filling it and I don't think it was helping her sleep. I wasn't comfortable with her going into her own too yet as the advice is for them to sleep in your room until 6 months so we've moved her cot into our room.

It's a tight squeeze (we have to get out of bed by climbing down to the bottom of the bed as its pushed against the wall one side and her cot is on the other) but its doing the trick and I'm happy smile

ValiumQueen Tue 26-Feb-13 23:11:33

evil how about doing some art with foot and hand prints? Nice keepsakes or gifts. The girls keep J occupied mostly, and I take him around with me while I do things. I sit him in his (reclining) high chair in the kitchen, and he has the school run twice a day which takes up a good hour each time. He is getting lots of exercise in his bouncer as he can go really quite high by kicking out his legs, and spends time on his mat. He is not a baby who needs constant company or entertaining, so I can pop upstairs or to the loo and he will play happily mostly. He is fab.

He is also looking very awake.

ValiumQueen Tue 26-Feb-13 23:12:43

J spent less than two hours in his basket. Just as well it was pre-loved.

TheDetective Tue 26-Feb-13 23:12:46

I rang the HV yesterday and discussed O's vomiting/feeding. She suggested either swapping formula brand, or trying SMA Staydown. In the end we decided to try the staydown. And it has. Stayed down. Had a couple of small possetts, and the only clothing he had to change was because he sweated a lot stupid carseat! in one of his naps. We used 1 muslin cloth all day. He isn't any less velcro, but he's feeding, and happy about it. So that'll do me.

We tested him earlier. As soon as I sat down with tea, he started whinging. Not hunger, not tired, just pure 'play with me, look at me, sing to me, me, me, meeeeeeeeeeeeee' whinges! So I ate quickly. The whole time I was looking at him, talking in between eating. He was at my feet, on his changing mat.

As soon as I put my plate down he stopped and started smiling and gurgling. So I thought, lets see what happens if I pick my plate up. And he did! He whinged!!! So I put it back down, and he stopped. DP is my witness to this!

So now, I'm not taking him seriously. Unless he is crying through tiredness or hunger, I'm not going to eat cold meals or get heartburn and indegestion from speed snorting my tea any meal really! down.

I know he doesn't know, and I know he can't control it. It is just shock that a tiny baby can do such a thing! Raaaah! Got to love the monkey though! I don't mind him being on me all day, just so long as he isn't whinging all day. Which he doesn't if you play with him continuously!.

TheDetective Tue 26-Feb-13 23:14:21

VQ I remember when O was like that 3 weeks ago seems like a lifetime! Ahhhh, I'm just enjoying him for what he is. This stage is so short in the grand scheme. I'd rather put up with crying baby than frustrating tweenager!

rootypig Tue 26-Feb-13 23:18:13

hello! <waves>

have been lurking but would love to make friends. Was not on antenatal threads, discovered MN post birth, but I had DD1 on the 2nd November so she is about 16 weeks. She is BF with the odd bottle of formula, she slept through a few nights at 8 weeks, but hasn't done it since! gah. she wakes every three / four hours to nosh, I bloody hope it doesn't get worse with this famous regression we are about to have hmm but apart from that she is a sweetie. has decided in the last week that the first two fingers of her left hand are divinely delicious / interesting and will not be parted from them.... I'm woken by the sound of her frantic slurping.

anyway it's very interesting to hear all about your LOs!

<goes back to lurking>

MissMummy1 Tue 26-Feb-13 23:18:19

No I havent reported it. I found this out when scouring through my documents to see if I am entitled to a courtesy car. As ut happens I did pay extra to add it to my policy. BUT as I am not 24 I cannot use it. angry


Contradictionincarnate Tue 26-Feb-13 23:23:55

I don't think 6 months is the norm for baby in own room but is government advice cos of SIDs ...scary but I think putting dd down earlier in her own room may be how I can get a bit more sleep and a bit of my evening back. would be fab if she went down at 9pm smile I'm really not sure if I'm ready for separate rooms now I think about it again!
may try her napping in seperate room on weekend in apartment as its all on one floor and doors can be left open as no cats.
also living room too light with the large balcony windows and gorgeous sea view! grin - smug emoticon!

ValiumQueen Tue 26-Feb-13 23:23:57

Welcome rooty do stay smile my boy also likes the first two fingers on his left hand. He is a week older than your LO, and I am hoping we are past the growth spurt now.

Contradictionincarnate Tue 26-Feb-13 23:25:04

hi rootypig nice to hear from you!! grin grin grin

TheDetective Tue 26-Feb-13 23:25:47

Thank fuck for that MM. Don't let word out to them at all!! GRRR. Twats!

Is it your policy only? If DP is not on it, tell them to refund you the extra! They can't get you to pay for something you can't have surely!!

Hello rooty don't lurk, jump right in! We're a chatty lot. The more chat the better as far as I am concerned! Is hard to keep up though! Hope you have a good mobile grin it's the only way I can keep up in any way shape or form!

I feel envy all that cake... all that cream... ohhhhhhhhh.

Passmethecrisps Tue 26-Feb-13 23:26:28

Oh yeah contra totally. When I said 'the norm' I should have said guidelines. I am not sure how many babies make it to 6 months what wih them being bliddy noisy and that.

Welcome rooty! Fingers are delicious and sleep is for the weak

TheDetective Tue 26-Feb-13 23:27:08

Another finger sucker here too! Shhhhhlurp chomp chomp suck suck suck is a frequent sound in our house!

ValiumQueen Tue 26-Feb-13 23:27:54

And rooty do not be alarmed by bad language. We have a sweary Wednesday so the air will get a bit blue.

ValiumQueen Tue 26-Feb-13 23:29:17

Is that you or the baby detective ? grin

Contradictionincarnate Tue 26-Feb-13 23:30:25

anyone still using their ewan? I have a turtle wondering if I should get a ewan too (think I only want one cos he is obviously Welsh!)
just put the turtle on now to ease dd me to sleep ...imagining I am on a beautiful beach in mumbles Rhodes

BigPigLittlePig Tue 26-Feb-13 23:32:00

detective name swap?? Think big pig would be appropriate given cake eating prowess...

I'm an idiot. Knackered,, should have been in bed for 2 hours but instead have been watching sun, sex and suspicious parents. Twat.

Hello sweary Wednesday (almost), how I fucking loves ya

Night all x

Contradictionincarnate Tue 26-Feb-13 23:32:11

ha ha vq I'm trying my best to keep laugh in as dd just down!!
you do have a dirty mind but yeah det you or the baby!!! ha hagrin grin grin

rootypig Tue 26-Feb-13 23:33:47

thanks for the welcomes! I will try to keep up but am already behind! should really be asleep but am eating disgusting numbers of M&S extra chocolatey biscuits instead grin

VQ I have a bit of a foul mouth actually, it's a running joke that DD's first word will be FUCK so I will look forward to the sweary Wednesday business

TheDetective Tue 26-Feb-13 23:47:00

If I am sucking, I most certainly do not make such noises grin. I am a laydeeeeee.

BP I am both, Big Pig and Little Pig. I feel like I've eaten enough cake to feed 2 people anyway!

Contra Ewan rarely used now. I have a specific youtube white noise video which is a hoover and hairdryer. It is the bees knees for O.

I use Ewan in the morning sometimes, if he is awake and wanting to get up, while I get out of bed and try and have a piss in peace!

ValiumQueen Tue 26-Feb-13 23:53:50

Finger sucking is all I meant you filthy minded fuckers!

J in his cot with Ewan on harp. He is awake and transfixed. I use Ewan harp for night time feeds. I have a light show lullaby thing for daytime naps.

Off to the land of fucking nod hopefully.

GTbaby Tue 26-Feb-13 23:58:28

Marks spot n goes to sleep.

Passmethecrisps Tue 26-Feb-13 23:59:58

Ewan plinking as I type.
No need at night other than for me

ChunkyChicken Wed 27-Feb-13 00:14:10

DS has been watching cBeebies avidly since about 6wo. Admittedly its on for DD & he'd probably stare at the News as much, but he almost screws his head off to watch it, literally engrossed. It's funny watching DH, DD & DS all stare at the 'goggle box'.

Got a letter today about a staff meeting that I might want to attend on restructuring etc.Tomorrow angry It's at 4pm which is tricky for childcare & I've not had enough time to get organised so can't go. I doubt much actually affects me BUT it might!!

stunt thanks too for the bra fitting thing. I felt I was in the right size band but feeling a bit 'Chunky' in a 34. Did the back-to-front thing. It comes out about an inch or two!! Must need a 32. Best not tell DH as those are brand new blush better than the 36Es I was wearing though

mm what is it with people reversing into stationary cars? Same happened with my saxo when living with my in-laws. My car was up on the curb & everything iirc. Bloody woman just didn't look properly. If you can't reverse properly off your drive, then reverse onto it!!!

I'm an even worse Mummy. We DTD in a hotel room with both DC asleep obviously present shock blush In our defence, if we didn't do it with at least 1 of them present usually DS who, now 15wo, has a habit of turning onto his side, facing the wall to sleep, which is helpful wink we'd never do it.

Off to bed. Night all. <vigorously bangs bottom of tin, checks contents, shakes harder. Small sprinkling of sleepy dust falls out...>

sweetpea1112 Wed 27-Feb-13 00:41:37

Up for first feed of the night here, which is good going for him, except he has spent most of his five hours sleep rubbing his head raw. he has dry skin on his scalp and forehead and previously I thought he was just rubbing it as a tired signal but now I'm wondering if he is scratching because it is itchy.

Do 13 week olds possess the necessary skills to scratch an itch? He has scratch mitts on but his face is still red raw and he can't be getting quality sleep poor thing sad

Izzybuzzybuzzybees Wed 27-Feb-13 01:03:46

Will catch up later. Lost track of thread..again! DS is being a nightmare. He will sleep in crib happily til first feed then won't go back down!! I try about four times letting him fall asleep in between and he just cried til I give in and bring him beside us. I get hardly any sleep as I lie so bloody still I get sore. Need help to fix this. I've just done first feed of night, he had expressed milk at ten then finished at 11 and still woke for food! Argh! He's back in crib now and I'm hoping he stays there and sleeps all night! Ha...no chance!

sweetpea1112 Wed 27-Feb-13 01:11:04

Thanks Stunt I will avoid Calpol before jabs and cross fingers for less pain for the poor kid.

VQ Oscar has moved into his basket this week when he hit 12weeks as his thrashing about was making me worry he would tip the basket over. Still in our room as we have a one bed flat.

I imagine if he had his own room he would be in it soon though as he is bloody noisy and has kept me up all night so far with his head mauling. Have just smothered him and the carpet in olive oil in the hope that it will relieve any itchiness.

Another telly addict baby here - he swivels his head round to find it whenever he is feeding or playing. He especially loves the weather forecast although he did enjoy Zingzillas.

MissMummy1 Wed 27-Feb-13 02:55:27

sweetpea my 12 week old dd has eczema om her fest that developed into a steph infection. The last 2/3 days she has been scratching like mad. Trying to get her hands under her sleepsuits and everything! Bless her sad

Chunky I had deliberately stuck my car up on the pavement and slightly further down the street so she couldn't hit it! I still dont know how she managed. confused The silly woman did however admit on the phone - after trying to accuse me for having an old bendy car hmm - that she was flustered and didnt look....

Just woken with an almighty poonami. M not me. Looked at my phone before taking her next door to change. 5.45 or so I thoughr. Look again with specs on and it's only 2.45. I want to cry sad sad sad

MissMummy1 Wed 27-Feb-13 02:55:52

*on her chest

fruitpastilles Wed 27-Feb-13 03:05:37

Well hello sweary fucking Wednesday. I have a sleeping baby here, so why the fuck am I wide awake?? I'll tell you why, because of dp's fucking snoring! It's doing my head in. That and my throat is killing and I have a snotty nose sad hope S doesn't catch anything.

fruitpastilles Wed 27-Feb-13 03:13:01

Oh and S is in her own room. We put her in at 10 weeks as she was looking too small for her basket nothing to do with her being a noisy little thing honestly

ValiumQueen Wed 27-Feb-13 03:25:36

J woke at 3. Not suprised really as he did not have his formula last night. Hope he settles ok.

Contradictionincarnate Wed 27-Feb-13 03:42:32

vq j woke at 3.30 and she had hers! sad

Contradictionincarnate Wed 27-Feb-13 03:49:15

y o y o y o y o ...

spells yo yo yo yo yo !

kirrinIsland Wed 27-Feb-13 03:49:49

We're up for the first feed of the night too. Not as good as it sounds as she still doesn't go down til around midnight!

Welcome rooting smile

N is a Telly addict too. I often find her watching the news with DP.

Contradictionincarnate Wed 27-Feb-13 03:53:30

not tried cbeebies yet plenty of time to get bored by that! wink
have had on baby tv though channel 263 my sister found it - very strange but means I can wee!
as I have a sore throat and couldn't do my usual morning songs I tried a few of the baby apps on iPad again! Fisher Price ones seem good! D was playing the piano earlier! wink

Pikz Wed 27-Feb-13 03:57:26

Ewan still very much part of this household.

Just done a feed VQ and he had formula! He is now lying in cot talking to himself and sucking his hands like a demented thing.

StuntNun Wed 27-Feb-13 03:58:09

<Waves a bleary welcome to Rooty then totters off back to bed.>

Contradictionincarnate Wed 27-Feb-13 04:00:41

think you may Have beaten me by 15 mins then kirrin d didn't go down til 11.30 sad
I feel sooo tired!
mil has her on Thursday night must remember to sleep will be my last chance til 11th of April!
grrr dh farting sneezing rolling about like a hippo! this is is no beautiful tableau! I can't even be that!

rootypig Wed 27-Feb-13 04:05:47

<waves at Stunt >

kirrin, contra I'm here with you, S went down at 8 after BF and a 7oz expressed bottle hmm, up at 11.45 and 3.30 for feeds, which she never seems that interested in, but still won't go without little scamp

you can guess where I got my nn! grin

<totters back to bed also>

Catbag Wed 27-Feb-13 04:07:44

Hey all. My babies ARE scheming devils who conspire to make me have no sleep. That is all.

sweetpea1112 Wed 27-Feb-13 04:11:50

Bloody bastard sleepsuits and their Fucking stupid poppers that never do up properly at 3am. Thanks sweary Wednesday, feel better already.

Now O, as much as I love you I do not want to chat right now. I am tired. So kindly go the fuck to sleep. Thanks.

MissMummy1 Wed 27-Feb-13 04:17:03

fucking sleep child!!!

(sweary wednesday. i am not swearing at her little bugger )

sweetpea1112 Wed 27-Feb-13 04:28:44

MM O won't sleep either, still rubbing his head....

kirrinIsland Wed 27-Feb-13 06:05:06

rootypig ditto. N is awake again now for a feed she doesn't really want. Bit annoying but what can you do?!

cat sad hope you've managed to get some sleep.

mm and sweetpea sleepy dust to you both as well (but leave me a little bit please!) N does furious face/head rubbing - I thought it was a newborn reflex thing but she's showing no signs of stopping.

Sophiathecheesefairy Wed 27-Feb-13 07:00:25

vq we have just this week while we are staying in this cottage in NI put little O into his own room. I didn't sleep well the first night! When we get back I will move hi. Out of ours at home.

I usually don't put my babies into the next seat till close to their first birthday.

Sophiathecheesefairy Wed 27-Feb-13 07:13:09

Fuckity fuck I forgot it is sweary Wednesday. Hopefully there will be nothing to swear about as we do the rounds of the tradesmen.

Welcome rooty to sweary Wednesday, the day we get a weeks worthy swearing off our chest.

PetiteRaleuse Wed 27-Feb-13 07:31:08


Fucking flu.

Ill baby.

Fed up.

Ready for spring.

This has to be the last of the winter bugs doesn't it? WeVe had colds, throat infections, bronchitis, bronchiolitis, pneumonia and flu. Taht's it isn't it? There aren't anymore are there? We don't seem to have norovirus over here.

I just want a week with none of us ill. I swear I am at breaking point here. DH working late every evening really isn't helping, though it's not his fault.

And I know I should be grateful that it's nothing worse but I'm still pissed off.

And you know what I pretty much wrote the same post every week for the last few weeks, thinking we may be at an end of it, but we never are. It just keeps coming. It's bloody unfair.

I worked out that if I had been working I or DH would have had to take almost four weeks off since Christmas due to either sick children or sick me. Great use of annual leave.

I repeat: fucking flu.

Contradictionincarnate Wed 27-Feb-13 07:32:47

FUCK... up again!! thought we did growth spurt last week!? so what's this shit? sad.
ooo that felt good and bad at the same time thank fuck for sweary Wednesday!!
dd has jabs today too sad I don't have the energy ... and I have to pack!! sad sad sad pissflaps! angry sad
hope she goes back down after this feed and that the mysterious delivery (anniversary present dh is being very coy about) doesn't arrive til after 10.30.

YellowWellies Wed 27-Feb-13 07:40:31

Morning fuckers!!! Pissflaps, bollocks, fuck and wankbadgers - today started at 5.50 thanks to someone vomming up their night feed and refusing to nod off again. He has been much harder to settle for the last two nights which might be teeth but might be the sleep regression part deux. Sigh perfect timing for our visit to the in laws envy . Am glad I decided to buy PIL ear plugs just in case! I think he's feeding himself back to sleep now. Am going to join him.

Contradictionincarnate Wed 27-Feb-13 07:41:31

petite tommorow is thankful Thursday so that's the day to be grateful not today mun! smile ... swear it up! ...like fuck!!
think your fab to keep going I have only just started to feel ill with one baby and its all misery here! Spring will follow ... (my new this too shall pass) ... spring with all its hope and fresh beauty and we will have our new life in arms too smile ...
I fucking love spring!

ChunkyChicken Wed 27-Feb-13 07:41:44

I have DS in the crook of my arm asleep in my bed. My alarm went off at 7 then 7.15, he was wide awake. Now I need to get up, he's asleep. He'll wake up if I move now won't he??!!!


Contradictionincarnate Wed 27-Feb-13 07:47:46

fuck fuck fuck she is back to sleep smile. but its bin day and recycling day sad very lould vans just appeared outside!!! angry angry angry angry
why are the council such cunts they used to collect from the back when I complained I just got a patronising letter back!! sad sad sad
now its lould and the street is a mess!! the sound of the dump tray moving is like a squeeking banshee! its going right through me!!! sad angry sad angry sad angry sad angry sad angry sad angry

PetiteRaleuse Wed 27-Feb-13 08:02:22

Who the fuck stole my toddler during the night and gave her 15 cans of Red Bull to drink? I know I should be grateful that she is healthy and energetic, considering my last post, but she is bouncing off the walls and I can't keep up.

LO so cute. She's trying to smile but can't quite manage it as she feels so rubbish, so she's doing little half smiles rather than big gummy grins.

Right, the following are cunts: Orange, EDF, my baker for buggering off on holiday, my dog for rolling in some really smelly shit, whichever of my cats who has smeared blood and feathers up my garden path two days in a row (catch mice you twats, not birds) and my throat for hurting so fucking much.

fruitpastilles Wed 27-Feb-13 08:02:30

Hoping the flu fucks right off from the PR household.
After me being awake all night feeling ill, I have woken this morning feeling right as rain thank fuck I don't think I could cope feeling ill and looking after a baby aswell, I don't know how everyone else does it, you must all be supermums.

capedcrusader25 Wed 27-Feb-13 08:04:14

Just a quick question - after jabs has anyone's LO come out in dak spots under the skin on their thighs?? O hasn't previously but after she had her third set on Monday she had a fever yesterday and this morning I've noticed these. They're not raised and if you feel over her skin you can't actually feel them at all. She's fine in herself and they don't seem to be bothering her at all. Anyone has any experience of it??

capedcrusader25 Wed 27-Feb-13 08:05:18

Oh, and fuckity fuck fuck wink

PennieLane Wed 27-Feb-13 08:09:50

I second PR when is fucking spring arriving?

Plus colds all round here, so fed up. Fuck off February!

horseylady Wed 27-Feb-13 08:11:52


He stopped screaming.

Thoughts are I've tried reducing the amount of gaviscon he has so only one sachet per feed apart from his mid morning feed to aid his constipation. The result? More vom and screaming baby. Going back to increased dose. Well I tried!! I might try some water just to hydrate him a bit more.

Anyway night was ok. I woke at 4 from a horrendous nightmare and didn't really go back to sleep. Ds woke at 430 and 510. I think the 510 was more because he wasn't properly asleep at 430. Anyway no feeds just dummy and a cuddle in his basket.

My plan is to move him either just before or just after we go to France. So around 5 months. He's getting quite big now but I'll miss him.

misslaugh don't hastily quit your job and repay your mat pay. Most contracts state something along the lines of you have to go back for a min of one day a week for 12 weeks. So it could be you could use annual leave to cover that return to work and then hand your notice in. You will accrue leave while off so explore that before leaving!! Good luck

pr hugs. It's nearly spring.

MissMummy1 Wed 27-Feb-13 08:15:42

I have had 2 hours sleep. With Matilda beside me. sad

I swore enough yesterday but the following people in my world are wankbadgers:

Insurance company for being insurance twunts; gas people for not fixing my boiler like they said they had; orange for disconnecting my phone from their server 4+ times a month.. feck knows why; the dosey bint who drove into me - I will make sure everyone in the area knows not to use her as a childminder; and my university for losing a cheque and my paperwork. And HMRC for fucking up my MA. In fact the whole world can get to fuck today grin

(on the plus side dp is off to look at some rather lurvly new cars at a local dealership - crossed fingers ladies he sees sense and buys me the 308 I have been lusting over for weeks!! smile )

capedcrusader25 Wed 27-Feb-13 08:22:09

Wank badgers is by far the best thing I've heard this year!

PennieLane Wed 27-Feb-13 08:27:30

horsey it's the anniversary of FIL's death this week and DH has been a bit stressed, I think it's just a phase as a lot going on.

LO still in with us, but we do leave her with monitor on between 8.30-10.30ish. It's nice to have a bit of evening back and spend time with DH again, though we have always had, ahem, company so far!

I don't think we'll move her properly till 6mo, only 11 wks left and I don't think I'd sleep properly yet with her in other room.

Evilwater Wed 27-Feb-13 08:44:24

Thanks for arty idears.

Thank fuck it's Wednesday, and I can't spell today!


ValiumQueen Wed 27-Feb-13 08:48:01

caped I would call the HV or ask the doctor about the spots just to be safe. I have no experience of this.

PetiteRaleuse Wed 27-Feb-13 08:49:57

Don't know what it's like in the UK but here we've had the least sunlight during the winter months for almost 50 years. Less than 100 hours. It's always been grey and raining. Or grey and snowing. Or just grey. I can count the number of nice days we have had, proper riding weather as I used to say back in the day - cold and sunny and crisp - on one hand.

We had a really nice week the week LO was born, and since the it's been shite. Last summer was shite too. I'm sure I'd cope with flu and related crap far better if the weather was better.

capedcrusader25 Wed 27-Feb-13 08:57:15

I will do vq just waiting for them to open, wonder what it could be?? Fingers crossed nothing too serious confused

Kyzordz Wed 27-Feb-13 08:58:37

Good fucking morning all! Heaps to do today, e is out for a couple of hours with his grandma. I'm glad it's sweaty Wednesday and do far I'm mainly just pissed off at this cunting period, it won't sod off.

vq I will take a photie and put it on our Facebook thing (of where his head is in his car seat)

E woke at 2:30, I nearly died and may have mumbled fucking really, it's earlier than yesterfuckingday! but he had kicked the covers off and went back to sleep when I put them back on. He didn't even want his dummy so he must've gotten chilly. He has outgrown 0-3 grow bags, may need to invest in some bigger ones if he keeps up with the cover kicking business! Didn't see him again till 7am, I can live with that

Going to have a lovely shower whereby I haven't had to rush my arse off to get back to e for a change!

Back later fuckweasels!

ValiumQueen Wed 27-Feb-13 09:04:27

Thank you for the reassurances about other babies waking with formula. I think as usual I am blaming myself, thinking his poor sleep is due to crap milk, so I am actually reassured that he slept as well as he did without it. I should not feel like this. He is big, fat and healthy. He is alert and such a lovely nature. It is wonderful seeing his little personality coming through.

kissyfur Wed 27-Feb-13 09:35:51

Bloody hell I'm late again! 7 pages in already! And I've missed the car seat chat, no way will LO last til 9 months in her rear facing one, she is filling it already. Need to look at getting another for her and a new one for DD1, that's going to be expensive!

Going to attempt to catch up properly today, happy fucking sweary Wednesday to all!

Oh and welcome sweetpea and rooty smile

PetiteRaleuse Wed 27-Feb-13 09:54:41

VQ it is great isn't it seeing bits of their personaluties already. LO is as smiley as her sister is/was but calmer. DD1 was always a happy little livewire. If LO is happy plus calm woukd be wonderful.

sweetpea1112 Wed 27-Feb-13 10:29:27

Morning all,

Hope good nights were had by many. Ours was a bit rubbish, three wakings and much head rubbing all night. Going to buy some oilatum today to see if that helps his dry skin.

Off for jabs later sad and to see HV about Oscar's head as it has gotten very flat on one side and I'm quite worried about it now. HV wants to measure it so shall see what she says.


How the Jeffrey do you get housework done with a Velcro baby? I'm finding myself glued to the sofa everyday while J sleeps on my chest, he sleeps in the cot at night but not anywhere that isn't me in the day.

TheDetective Wed 27-Feb-13 10:34:00

Shitting 1.47am. 3.30. 6.33 and up at 8.30. Grumble grumble. He was dumped unceremoniously on DP at 6.33 grin. He didn't want feeding at 1.47. He wanted to sleep on me. Which he did.

Fucking dickhead DP 'do you think it's the formula making him like this' as O is screeching as I put him down. What fucking planet is he on? He is like this 90% of the time for me at the moment. Twat. Has he not fucking noticed before now?! confused Clearly it isn't the formula seeing as he has been on it 36 hours. hmm

TheDetective Wed 27-Feb-13 10:36:13

Tits. I don't! Unless it's urgent then I put him down to whinge. If it isn't urgent like broken glass urgent! it doesn't get done til there are 2 of us around.


I was afraid you would say that.. Oh well, I'll get comfy then grin

Contradictionincarnate Wed 27-Feb-13 10:39:08

tits I want to know about housework too my baby just doesn't sleep! when she plays in her room in the morning I can express and get a shower but that's it then ... I have a Moby sling but haven't worked out how it works yet!

sweetpea1112 Wed 27-Feb-13 10:42:10

Tits same situation here. Housework gets done when DP gets home from work. I do the odd bit of washing up/shoving washing in the machine/making lunch while he is occupied on his playmat. Yesterday he had two 2.5 hour naps on me. My sofa has my arse imprint on it.

Horsey I'm not going to do anything rash with my job, I'm just exploring my options really. That's useful to know about the holiday, but our annual leave runs September to September and I used 4 weeks of it before starting ML and am using one more at the end. So I'll only be 3 months into the new year when I go back which will earn me a few days holiday but not enough I suspect. It might be a moot point anyway if they come back to me and say they can change my role to accommodate my requests. We'll see.

Ooooh sweary Wednesday. Rant alert! Why oh why can't my arsemonkey of a DP do the washing up or any fucking hosework at all ?! I know he's working 12 hour shifts at the moment, but I feel like I'm working 24 hour shifts, and in my breaks I have to do another job by getting housework done. I cook the dinner, we eat and then we try to get babylaughalot down to sleep after which I crash too. I wanted to cry when I came downstairs today to see the mess in the kitchen still sitting there. He didn't come to bed until bloody midnight, and it would have taken all of 10 minutes.

Hmmmm not sweary enough really...

YellowWellies Wed 27-Feb-13 10:55:33

VQ that's why I struggle with the ethics of the formula companies (in the past admittedly but it still makes me dubious today) they advertised their products for decades as helping babies to sleep (not allowed to say this now thank goodness) meaning that many BF mums today still get pressure from relatives who had their kids when these ads were legal, to give a bottle at the first hint of sleep issues.

I hate the advertising industry anyway but this has had such a toxic and pervasive influence in terms of the self doubt and confidence damage caused. The first thing we question is our own natural milk and that is so sad. Babies will sleep when they are ready to regardless of how they're fed.

Why is so much of our culture (ahem Daily Mail) so keen to shit on Mums? All I can think is that there must be business benefits - mums with low confidence are better consumers - once we doubt our abilities in one area of mothering we are maybe more likely to buy products we don't need to help us in other areas? Baby Einstein I'm looking at you!!!!

Anyway enough of my ranting at corporates.....

We are in the world of teething in the YW house. Gave peedie breeks some anbesol and he nearly bit my hand off! I tried it myself at my sisters yesterday and it totally numbed my gum whereas calpol gel just felt like cold sweet liquid with no numbing sensation. He is much happier. Think tonight I'm going to apply it before bed and after the night feed.

YellowWellies Wed 27-Feb-13 11:01:45

Sweet pea, tits and detective exactly the same problem and same solution (do it when there's two of us at home). Cleaning this place to get our deposit back when we move to our bought house is going to be fun!!! <puts fingers in ears, goes lalala, and tries to ignore>

kissyfur Wed 27-Feb-13 11:09:15

I've not heard of that teething stuff YW, we've got teething troubles here too. I read that it's best not to give them anything numbing right before a feed as it can make it hard for them to feed properly.

Was going to get LO a teether but she can't hold anything yet. Cant remember when they usually start doing that, is anyone else's LOs holding things yet?

Contradictionincarnate Wed 27-Feb-13 11:11:47

oh and pr its been exceptionally cold for the time of year we had a lovely week a fortnight ago sunny fresh but then we just went back to winter ...poor birds all started getting their thangs on and now this! not to mention the plants!

PetiteRaleuse Wed 27-Feb-13 11:12:10

YW it's all women, not just mums that the DM likes to shit on :


TheDetective Wed 27-Feb-13 11:16:59

Fucking hell. O has got a tongue tie. I've finally been able to look in his mouth properly.


Explains everything really.

TheDetective Wed 27-Feb-13 11:19:58

"The general motto of the Daily Mail seems to be that a woman's role in life is to be pretty, thin, get married, quit work, have children and, ideally, disappear or die before getting embarrassingly old and fat (it is no wonder the paper loved Diana so much.)"

Spot on there!!

grin x 5000

sweetpea1112 Wed 27-Feb-13 11:21:38

Has anyone heard of a link between epidurals and eczema? Sounds random but go with it for a second...

DP is one of 5 children, his Mum had an epidural with 4 of the 5. The one without the epidural is the one without eczema.

I have eczema and was born with an epidural.

Oscar was born with an epidural and he has very dry skin, possibly eczema. His cousin, born without epidural has perfect skin.

Obviously not a particularly scientific survey wink but I find it interesting.

Oh, VQ for what its worth, O is ff and very very rarely sleeps more than 5 hours so not a great sleeper by any means.

Catbag Wed 27-Feb-13 11:21:50

How can you tell if they have a tongue tie, detective? I think Saul has, but as it hasn't interfered with his feeding that much I didn't chase it up.

PetiteRaleuse Wed 27-Feb-13 11:22:24
rootypig Wed 27-Feb-13 11:25:46

sweetpea sorry if this has already come up but have you tried just oil on the dry head? olive or grapeseed or sunflower, anything vegetable (but not nut). will make your LO look like a bit of a greaser but really helps. I rub in a few drops before S goes to bed, she sleeps with a muslin under her head to catch her barf ups anyway. and she doesn't have much hair, which makes it easier, the little baldie grin

sweetpea1112 Wed 27-Feb-13 11:26:54

Thanks rooty I use olive oil on it which seems to help the appearance of the skin but not the dryness iyswim. He does look like a little grease ball smile

TooManyDicksOnTheDancefloor Wed 27-Feb-13 11:28:15

Morning everyone! Well we're in the middle of the 12 week fucking growth spurt. No cluster feeding this time but she is draining both breasts every feed (usually only has one side) and is feeding at 11pm and 4am, she had missed both of these feeds for the last few weeks. I hope it ends soon.

Sorry about your car mm

Bad mummy here too vq, B had been in her own room since she was 5 weeks, she also sleeps in get room for all naps when were at home. Do I win?

Trying to be fly today. I've stripped and washed the bedding snd prepared sausage casserole for tea (it's smelling lovely in the slow cooker, drool). It's such a lovely day here that I've even hung th sheets outside on the line!

TooManyDicksOnTheDancefloor Wed 27-Feb-13 11:31:15

Hi rooty and sweetpea <waves>

Someone on here recommended Aveeno cream for cradle cap, I've used it and it really works. I massage it into her head in the bath like shampoo and rinse it away.

Passmethecrisps Wed 27-Feb-13 11:32:39

Morning fuck monkeys

Before I got any further what the actual Jeff is Baby Einstein? I met with a woman fr coffee recently and she was all about the Baby Einstein. I take a look when I get home and, forgive me if I a massing something, but is it not just like CBeebies? But shit? It seemed to me a way of meaning stressed mums can park their baby in front of the telly guilt free because it is 'Baby Einstein'. Am I wrong? Anyone got other experiences?

Oh, same woman asked the inevitable question about sleep. When I said how P sleeps she responded with "well, I'll put that down to her being formula fed".

Now said woman is lovely but has obviously bought into the formula = sleep myth. I have said probably a million times boring story repetition alert before that my brother didn't sleep more than 2 hours a time until he was 2. He was formula fed.

<finds self getting into a bit of a rant>

Anyway, shocking news about tongue tie detective. How do you tell? I asked a couple of midwives about P and they said they didn't think she had it.

<desperately tries to engage brain and think of replies I meant to give>

rootypig Wed 27-Feb-13 11:32:47

oh pea that is interesting! DD has dry skin / eczema, was born with epidural. I don't and wasn't. DH does, he was caesarian.

<considers having DC2 without for science> hmm

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TheDetective Wed 27-Feb-13 11:38:45

There are some that are really obvious pass, the tongue hardly juts forward, and the frenulum is close to the tip of the tongue.

O's isn't obvious til I had a good old stare in there. Now he is older, it is more obvious, as when their mouths are so small as newborns, everything looks close together. Now it is bigger, it is much more obvious.

sad I queried it too when he was small. But it is only now I would say, yes, he does have one. Explains why he took so long to feed. sad

TheDetective Wed 27-Feb-13 11:39:37

PR Do you want the pleasure, or shall I?!



TheDetective Wed 27-Feb-13 11:42:11

Oh. Interesting. Both children have eczema, and both had epidural/spinal.

I don't have it, and I don't think my mum had an epidural. I'll have to ask her. I know everything else about my birth though! grin

DP doesn't have eczema now but did when little, he grew out of it. I'm pretty sure his mum didn't have an epidural.

I have 3 fucking slings! (moby, ring and generic) can't work out any of them without J looking like him limbs are in places they shouldn't be. hmm
I can put him on his play mat/gym thing and he rolls himself off and cries.

Also, he does one so small have so much stuff?! I'm looking round from my new forever home (the sofa) and all I can see is baby stuff, playmats, gyms, nappies, wipes (clean!), baby bath, car chair , pushchair... It's madness!

rootypig Wed 27-Feb-13 11:42:58

yy sweetpea iswym, I suppose is the same for S, the oil hasn't actually made it go away. thanks ManyDicks, might give that a go. is there a specific one in the Aveeno range? on S's little bod (dry little legs espesh) we use some of DH's epaderm ,which he was prescribed for an eczema flareup and says is suitable for babies, seems to help a bit. Neal's Yard baby balm wot we got given is ace but is so expensive for a pot of oil, it's not really a long term fix!

YellowWellies Wed 27-Feb-13 11:46:50

Oh no Detective how on earth did the HV not spot it weeks ago?!! Awww that would explain his slow feeds when wee.

Kissy anbesol is marketed at old people to stop dentures from causing pain but is recommended for teething too ask for it over the pharmacy counter. Ta for the tip on giving after the feeds!

Pass that seems to be my take on Baby Einstein - cbeebies for snobs! grin


TooManyDicksOnTheDancefloor Wed 27-Feb-13 11:47:52

I use Aveeno daily moisturising lotion rooty, I use it every bath time. If I forget it becomes dry again but disappears when I use it.

Kyzordz Wed 27-Feb-13 11:50:06

yw is there a small persons anbesol or just the adult one? I use it and think its ace but didn't know there's a small person one/they can have it! The calgel didnt numb my gum when I tried it either

PetiteRaleuse Wed 27-Feb-13 11:58:23

We're being spammed? Geez.

Baby Einstein are findable on youtube so don't waste your money but they ar pretty shite. On youtube there is a whole trailer for the series, and the creator speaks. That will put you off.

My babies have always preferred sports matches to anything else on TV. Tennis or football in particular. I am wondering if it is because there is a big area all one colour, green for football for example, and they like that? DD1 is only just starting to show an interest in actual TV that isn't music related and that's kind of because I am encouraging her to because, well, sometimes I need a freaking break.

Dry baby skin: my paediatrician recommended La Roche Posay Cicaplast. It works.

Eczema. Hmm, I have siblings with it and we weren't born with epidural. DH has it and no epidural there either, his sister has it too and she was born with epidural. I thought it was genetics.

TheDetective Wed 27-Feb-13 12:04:37

I don't think the HV ever looked. I did ask at one point. I forget when. It is all a blur!! But it just wasn't an obvious one, it is only now I can say it looks like it definitely.

YellowWellies Wed 27-Feb-13 12:06:32

kyz kids can use the adult one - just use one application every 3 hours. On the box it gives the dosage for teething xx

TheDetective Wed 27-Feb-13 12:11:00

Maybe he is putdownable today... oooh. I got him in the swing for his nap, and he is now awake and still in the swing after 10 minutes.

I am avoiding eye contact grin.

We had our first green thick poo this morning. Assume it is the formula. I will see how he gets on, and perhaps give him some cooled boiled water to drink if he becomes constipated.

YW I hate formula companies with a passion, their advertising, underhand tactics etc. I don't hate formula, I just hate what the companies do. I don't think there should be a market for it as such. It should just be sold, factual information given, end of. None of this advertising and sly tactics etc.

TheDetective Wed 27-Feb-13 12:14:04

Spoke too soon!

BigPigLittlePig Wed 27-Feb-13 12:17:40

Afternoon fuckers!
I can't remember who has said what but...

Housework is done here in 5 minute bursts owing to velcro-like nature of little pig and I make dh do the hoovering.

I have a theory. F was sleeping 7/8 hours from 9pm until 3 days ago. For the past 3 days, she's had a bath each night at 7ish, to try to stop the cluster feeding sore nips and has woken at 2 instead, plus any number of times after that. Coincidence? Will avoid bath tonight in favour of 2 hour feedathon - watch this space.

Fs tongue tie looked like this

YellowWellies Wed 27-Feb-13 12:21:30

Detective my views exactly - my hatred is for the companies not the product. As the horsemeat saga shows - some products can't be trusted in the hands of those seeking to make money. Such worries are also why I'm so against any privatisation of the NHS. Some things are too important to be vulnerable to profit margins and cost cutting.

TheDetective Wed 27-Feb-13 12:42:38

Damn it, I have period pains. And a velcro baby... waaaaaaah!

I just flicked on to cbeebies and am utterly alarmed at what I just watched!! Some grown up bird dressed as a baby bird, in a nappy, a bib, a bonnet and booties... oh god, it was weird! I just giggled like a loon all the way through it. Turning adult TV on now!!

YellowWellies Wed 27-Feb-13 12:49:40

Do babies comfort eat when teething or are we combining 4 month growth spurt and teething in our house? Help have got cabin fever - neeeeed to get out into the sunshine.

Contradictionincarnate Wed 27-Feb-13 12:55:22

injections,broke my heart dd smiled at the lady as needle went in then expression changed completely to pain and confusion ... think she forgot it all too soon I did not!

PetiteRaleuse Wed 27-Feb-13 12:59:05

Sunshine? envy

Contradictionincarnate Wed 27-Feb-13 12:59:37

oh ps supposed to leave in 20 mins for mum and baby group ...I don't wanna go but feel like I should no one I get on with there though different peeps every week and only one woman with similar aged baby!
I need to get ready for weekend away wanna chill with my baby

Contradictionincarnate Wed 27-Feb-13 13:02:34

bplp I think that re bath with my d too but if I bath in the day dh misses out and lot more faff ...tried moving bath time earlier but that didn't work!

ChunkyChicken Wed 27-Feb-13 13:12:51

detective that was 3rd & Bird, where Beaky plays baby so Muffin can be Mummy.

I have Baby Einstein DVDs. Bought them in the sale. Some are better than others. Have a limited lifespan. Only good for tiny babies. Once they can understand even a limited storyline, the DVDs are no longer necessary. Did mean I didn't have to watch pissflapping cBeebies ALL THE FUCKING TIME!!!

Contradictionincarnate Wed 27-Feb-13 13:14:28

was the woman def talking about DVD my dd has a baby Einstein gym.

ChunkyChicken Wed 27-Feb-13 13:14:48

DD keeps turning DS over hmm

And, votes please: should I buy a double pump, just because I fancy one, 2nd hand, £50? smile

Double pump gives you more time surely? grin

J is being hilarious atm, he's turned himself sideways on his gym and has hooked both his feet over the overhead bar thing like a chimp and wrapped his mouth around a spinning ball toy and is sucking it like crazy grin

Contradictionincarnate Wed 27-Feb-13 13:19:53

my electric pump converts to double ... but only find it worked the other day after night out to feed dd with full breasts. the extra set is good to have two lots of equipment.

ValiumQueen Wed 27-Feb-13 13:20:45

J has just had his first haircut. It was nearly in his eyes. He looks older.

PetiteRaleuse Wed 27-Feb-13 13:24:52

Wow.. I reckon I could count LO's hairs she has so few grin

Contradictionincarnate Wed 27-Feb-13 13:30:03

petite mine too! my dm bought a headband for her it looks so silly!

ChunkyChicken Wed 27-Feb-13 13:41:18

It seems a bit frivolous to buy a double pump when my single medela works so well iyswim. But equally, it would allow me to 'drain' both puppies at the same time, so half the time taken. In 2 minds...

Cock stains.

ValiumQueen Wed 27-Feb-13 13:41:32

All mine have been born with mops of hair. He has a bald patch on the back through rubbing.

ValiumQueen Wed 27-Feb-13 13:43:56

chunky I wouldn't unless you are sure you will have more kids so use it again. If your LO was younger, then perhaps, but £50 is a lot of money.

Jims Wed 27-Feb-13 13:47:04

Hurrah for sweary wednesday as for fuck's sake:
Big one did (some of?) his 3 day stored poo in his pants, fortunately at home not at softplay; and
Little one's hospital appointment has been put back to 28th march. So he's on antibiotics til then at least. Still can't shift the sodding thrush as a result so itch a lot and it's my birthday next week and i'm having go avoid cake. They blatantly lost his paperwork in the system when he was discharged in the NY as they hadn't heard of him when i rang querying what was going on and have just sent through a kidney scan on the 28th 2 days ago so presumably moved the outpatients to match.
Our new family dr is apparently v straightforward and a bloke. Trying him tomorrow for the thrush saga. Hope he has a tiny bit of sympathy in him. I switched drs as our last surgery fell out with each other and all the drs left!
Tomorrow i will be thankful LO is still sleeping well at night. many sympathies to those who are up a lot. I'm just waiting to join you really as he's 16 weeks tomorrow...

ChunkyChicken Wed 27-Feb-13 13:49:55

Ah sod it. I know its a good one. I'll buy it. If I don't get on with it, I'll sell it on.

BigPigLittlePig Wed 27-Feb-13 13:54:07

Electrician is finally coming over to fix the broken socket.
Dilemma though - am wearing PJ bottoms slob and F is asleep on me. Do I get changed and wake her, or accept status as slob in eyes of both electrician and landlord?

ChunkyChicken Wed 27-Feb-13 13:57:48

You make a good point VQ. I am still uncertain. I doubt I'll be feeding him much when at work so it'd only be for now (& I have loads of ebm in the freezer)...

Oh wank badger copyright to YW??!

ChunkyChicken Wed 27-Feb-13 14:00:23

Slob status is expected from new mums BPLP smile


capedcrusader25 Wed 27-Feb-13 14:01:40

Accept status as slob! I do smile
The rash is purpura. I don't know if its from the fact she screamed so hard she went rigid and shook as a result and went purple during the jabs sad So I hope it fades soon as doesn't develop into anything else. My you get brother had HSP last year and was do poorly. I'd hate for this to turn into that sad

ChunkyChicken Wed 27-Feb-13 14:17:55

I declined the pump. I can usually get enough out with my current pump. £50 would be better off spent on a decent well fitting nursing bra.

What's purpura caped?

ChunkyChicken Wed 27-Feb-13 14:18:34

Ah forgot...

Knob jockey.

YellowWellies Wed 27-Feb-13 14:29:09

Caped my husband got HSP (heinoch schonlein purpura? not sure if that's spelled right) after contracting malaria whilst working in Uganda. It's bloody miserable - thankfully he's not had an episode in over 2 years. Am sure LO's rash won't turn into it x

YellowWellies Wed 27-Feb-13 14:34:45

Bplp I've been on the couch since 10am - slob here too. Watched two episodes of Grey's Anatomy - took me back to the early night feeds. Wonder if Jonas remembered the music too; he's just napped like a newborn.

Ahh growth spurts. Feels like I'm being dessicated envy

capedcrusader25 Wed 27-Feb-13 14:36:56

It's her blood vessels bursting basically and bleeding into the skin layers. Hers are purple spots under her skin, they're not very big spots and they don't hurt. My brother had HSP which is a lot worse and very painful. They think hers was brought on by the trauma of her jabs, she screamed until she was purple but was so rigid she actually shook. The bleeding took ages to stop because of the adrenalin pumping it all out!
Just hope it doesn't become anything else now.

GTbaby Wed 27-Feb-13 14:38:19

Ahhhh fuck. One large suitcase full of LO nappies n clothes. Still have to pack formula and his medicine stash. My clothes food and toiletries to go.

In sure ill forget something important that's really hard to get. And it's not like a normal holiday were I can just buy it there. We r out in rural India. Out In the sticks. Electricity is random. Milk is fresh from the cow! Oh man what have I let myself in for.

Fuck crap shit.

YellowWellies Wed 27-Feb-13 14:40:24

GT good luck. Sounds v tricky shock . How will you keep stuff sterile?

BigPigLittlePig Wed 27-Feb-13 14:52:01

yw I love greys anatomy mcdreamy specifically - too lazy to move to put dvd into player though.

Good luck gt

ValiumQueen Wed 27-Feb-13 14:56:22

I am watching Greys Anatomy at the moment, with a cup of coffee, having just finished scrubbing all my toilets and sinks. J asleep in his cot. Bliss.

StuntNun Wed 27-Feb-13 14:58:49

I use the Oilatum cream for cradle cap Dicks, it works really well.

Sorry to ruin your hypothesis Sweetpea but DS1 epidural but no eczema, DS2 no epidural but has eczema.

You'll get two good nursing bras for £50 Chunky.

Tits use all that baby equipment. I move J between swing, door bouncer, play mat, high chair, sling and change mat on floor. He'll usually cope for a short while in each. I got an hours worth of housework done on Monday morning that way. It's worth persevering with the sling as once they're bigger you can put them in a hip hold or a back carry and it'll be easier to get stuff done.

TheDetective Wed 27-Feb-13 15:17:47

Fuckity fuckity fuckbags. DP is a cocklicking arsehead.

He's off work. So why am I stuck at home with a pigsty and a velcro baby, with crippling period pains?

He's off out picking up a pram for his sister. He's been gone since well before 12. So fucking maaaaaad. The only thing he had to do today was to go to the tip with DS1's old bed, and the bags of rubbish and box from the new bed. Assumed it would take 2 trips and probably an hour. Instead of taking the stuff from inside so we could at least stop weaving in and out of rubbish, he's took the bed from outside, and then hasn't done a second run. Instead he's gone off with his fucking sister.

I've had me and the baby in the bath just because the pain got so sore, and it was the only thing I could think of to help the pain and keep O occupied. He took an hour to feed, and is now asleep. Feeling very sorry for myself.

DP can shit off. Twat.

If he was at work I'd have to manage, but he fucking isn't and yet I'm having to put up with no fucking help.

horseylady Wed 27-Feb-13 15:20:43

Seeing as an epidural works through the spinal fluid and I'm not even sure it crosses the placenta I'm not sure there's a scientific link?! I had an epidural but he was removed about 20 minutes later so I'm fairly confident his dry skin is just him opposed to anything else.

Had a lovely swimming lesson then a lively lunch. Ds was well behaved out eating!! Makes up for the chatting at 4.30

I don't think formula helps much with sleep. It just takes longer to digest. I think the main difference is I'm able to differentiate his cries easier. So at night I know if he's just whiney or if he's actually hungry.

sweetpea1112 Wed 27-Feb-13 15:23:23

Stunt the exception that proves the rule? Or does that not count for highly scientific studies such as mine?grin

So, second lot of jabs done, Oscar was very brave, Mummy not so much. He charmed everyone in the waiting room before and after his jabs by chattering and smiling away. Proud.

HV advised Vaseline for his dry scalp so have bought that and some Dentinox shampoo on pharmacist advice.

His head was measured due to flatness and all seems fine. So not a bad day so far, just waiting for post - jabs meltdown to begin.

ChunkyChicken Wed 27-Feb-13 15:32:46

I had minor eczema as a child - used to come up in winter in small patches. No epidural. I still get little circular patches of v dry skin in winter. My family has eczema/asthma/hayfever genes in spades...

Indeed stunt. Got 3 from John Lewis for £40, but I think I'd be better off getting measured in rigby & peller.

I think the trouble with 'formula = sleep" type things is you can't actually do a properly controlled experiment. You can't exactly re-do the same night, with the same baby to see if ff or bf is best iyswim. I think some babies will sleep & others won't...

detective I guess the TT helps explain the long feeds early on, as you said, but I'm surprised nobody on here thought of it!! shock

ChunkyChicken Wed 27-Feb-13 15:35:46

I think I had might have had purpura after having DD. I looked like I'd gone 10 rounds with Mike Tyson - swollen, purple splotches all over my face & bloodshot eyes. It went quite quickly though. The main problem - the relatively long second stage (over an hour) & not breathing through the pushing/contractions. My pelvic floor suffered too. This time, I breathed!!!

YellowWellies Wed 27-Feb-13 15:37:03

I made it off the sofa for an hour. Got lunch, a drink, put a wash on and started tea - then meh I have a carry monkey again with exploding vinegar pants. How long til he has a full set of knashers - I don't want to know do I? grin

Horsey I'm sure there is no link between FF and better sleep but am sure the manufacturers wouldn't like us to think that?! wink

ValiumQueen Wed 27-Feb-13 16:04:04

DD2 is teething now at nearly 3 years old. Her last molars.

Contradictionincarnate Wed 27-Feb-13 16:06:01

right d is happily playing on mat I should be ironing and packing but sooo tired I don't have the energy! having chippy chips tonight which should restore me! smile
she only seems very happy if tune is playing on the sun thingys over the gym. and squawks til I put it on the tune is giving me a headache sad

YellowWellies Wed 27-Feb-13 16:06:21

Wah I suspected as much. Right more McDreamy it is.... DH can do tea.

TheDetective Wed 27-Feb-13 16:07:17

DP has just really gone down in my estimation.

He can have the cunt prize today.


Contradictionincarnate Wed 27-Feb-13 16:07:34

sweet my d had second lot of jabs today doesn't seem to have affected her apart from the fact she had a 30 min nap earlier!

Contradictionincarnate Wed 27-Feb-13 16:08:18

still not back det is his sister single mum?

TheDetective Wed 27-Feb-13 16:09:46

HAHAHAHA he's so stupid... Please tell me other men are this stupid? I told him he can take O with him in the car to the tip, as the car will mean he settles to sleep.

So after an almighty strop on the matter, he has just plonked the baby in the car seat and was fastening the straps.

Said baby is just in a vest and babygrow. The fizz is flying because I dared to suggest he might need a cardi or a coat on him.


TheDetective Wed 27-Feb-13 16:11:56

Oh he's back contra! And don't I know it!

His sister, god, I don't know. She is in and out of a relationship with her sons dad more times than I've changed knickers this year. As far as I know, they are currently together. The last time I spoke to her, they weren't. hmm

BigPigLittlePig Wed 27-Feb-13 16:24:27

Just woken up blush
House a shitpit, not unpacked shopping from this morning, no dishes done, no tea done - feeding F then have to go pick up dh. Gah.
Also hardly drunk anything today so feel dryer than the Sahara.

Cunty wankbadgery nobby bollocks.

capedcrusader25 Wed 27-Feb-13 16:26:04

yw your poor dp!! He must have really suffered, hope he's back fighting fit now? Good he's gone so long without an attack, hopefully it'll be the same for my brother smile
chunky that definitely sounds like purpura. Hoping O's will fade quickly too!
O has always taken an hour to have her bottle. She just will not have a bottle in one go or with a quick break. It's not even like she las loads to begin with!? Pain in the bum. Sorry your dp is being a bit if knobber det

GTbaby Wed 27-Feb-13 16:41:12

Thanks VQ n YW.

YW going to use Milton to sterilise. Going to be a general pain the the area trip I think with going out being a nightmare.
Fuck shit wank.

Contradictionincarnate Wed 27-Feb-13 16:42:56

aw det was meaning can't someone else help her get pram.

Contradictionincarnate Wed 27-Feb-13 16:45:13

oh bplp I could have written that status! accept for food delivery I have clothes packing to do. when dh is here on weekends she will nap etc

sweetpea1112 Wed 27-Feb-13 16:54:06

caped O also takes an hour+ to finish a bottle during the day. At night he manages a lot quicker. Must get distracted I reckon.

YellowWellies Wed 27-Feb-13 17:00:05

Thanks caped hope your brother has as good a recovery. He only gets recurrences now after heavy nights on the sauce. which is rare as I'm the lush in our marriage Speaking of which just discovered my fave wines granache and sauvignon blanc are made with cows milk! Fecking diet police!!!!

GT at least once this trip is done you can enjoy your pregnancy without worrying about this trip. Plus lots of hands to cuddle LO means chance for you to nap! When do you fly?

Det what a twunt! I'd be fuming too.

DS has been feeding bar a two hour snooze, none stop since 10.30am. Wah. Hope he's not like this tomo got to pack for our trip and go to Edinburgh to see solicitor re the house sale. envy Ha guess the extended family is going to see a lot of my tits this weekend! blush envy grin

TheDetective Wed 27-Feb-13 17:12:12

GT Crazy lady! I don't know how you do it!

contra DP is the only one in the family who drives! Because I taught him!!

I swear he has PMT. He's back again now, and acting like nothing ever happened. As always. hmm

StuntNun Wed 27-Feb-13 17:14:13

I thought sod the housework and went to bed for a nap. Would have had 90 minutes if it wasn't for DS2 but I did get a bit of a doze. grin Unfortunately DH will be back in 20 minutes and I haven't even done the breakfast dishes yet. Oops!

A year ago today I got my BFP!

PetiteRaleuse Wed 27-Feb-13 17:21:36

GT in your position the last thing I would want to be doing wouod be planning a trip half way round the world. Best of luck with it.

DH in good books. Came home early.

horseylady Wed 27-Feb-13 17:22:43

A year ago today I got mine too stunt

You know what. I still wish I had the chance to bf. oh well.

ChunkyChicken Wed 27-Feb-13 17:24:16

Have just put A in an Aldi nappy. He has had 3 poos today (usually one poonami every few days), 2 of which were barely contained within the confines of the nappy. Aldi nappies are meant to be good, win lots of awards etc. but who knows? Wish me luck!! Or rather wish A luck as he'll be the one wearing said deposits

Have just been over to AIBU on the bra intervention thread ( thanks stunt for bringing such threads to mind...) Asked for advice. Apparently I should try a 30GG!!!!!!! shock blush shock blush shock blush shock blush

After dinner, I shall be trawling the net to see whether they actually make such bras....

I managed to get both DC napping for maybe 1.5hrs, so just sat. Painted (clear) nail varnish on my fingernails after shaping them and generally snacking. Will be making dinner shortly, so made the most of the break!!

caped fingers crossed.

detective truly twuntish behaviour. Perhaps I'm a bit well off stuck up and judgey but I never understand how people can go most of their lives without driving!!! I understand not having a car, but being able to drive is an asset to a CV isn't it?!!

gt good luck with the packing and hope you are able to enjoy your trip.

ValiumQueen Wed 27-Feb-13 17:42:46

They have found the missing Mum of three with PND. She has a 3 month old girl. Looks like she took her own life sad

ChunkyChicken Wed 27-Feb-13 18:03:14

That's incredibly sad VQ ashamed to say I am ostrich-like when it comes to the news, I no longer read/watch as I know I will get sad/angry/disappointed so hadn't a clue about this until now blush

Sophiathecheesefairy Wed 27-Feb-13 18:15:51

Aveeno was me. Is great stuff. Am using it myself at the mo. four children. One epidural. Three with ecszema. Having said that, the one with very bad,infected and bleeding ecszema was the epidural.

rootypig Wed 27-Feb-13 18:16:06

thanks manydicks, will give the Aveeno a try, might slather some on myself, the skin on my poor ravaged boobs is drier than the Gobi desert

Contradictionincarnate Wed 27-Feb-13 18:17:39

I can't drive chunky confused
I learnt at 17 took 2 tests but didn't pass... Started again a few years ago and so did DH he passed first so I gave up.

sweetpea1112 Wed 27-Feb-13 18:18:54

That's so sad VQ Having suffered depression in the past I worried a lot about PND. Can't imagine the effect on the whole family. Just awful.

StuntNun Wed 27-Feb-13 18:37:40

Check out the huge gazungas on Chunky! It's amazing just how wrong everyone's sizes are. I was wearing a 36F inexpertly fitted at John Lewis but when I tried the 32H it felt so much comfort.

Hold on to that feeling Horsey so that if you have another you may find it all works out for you. My DS1 would not latch on ever, he just couldn't do it, but he loved his bottles. DS2 managed pretty well and J is getting by with a crappy Hoover technique due to a tongue tie. So IME just because it goes wrong the first time doesn't mean it will again.

I'm annoyed about this star wrap as the hood completely covers his face when he's in it. hmm

Elizadoesdolittle Wed 27-Feb-13 18:38:57

Fuck bollocks cunt. We have to go into hospital. Waiting for them to call to say when there's a spare bed. Could be tomorrow, could be next week, who knows. I hate not being able to plan. Now it's definitely happening I just want it over with. Big sweaty arseholes.

Only skim read thread but yw milk in wine wtf. Here's a diary free one for you wine

gt safe travels and hope you manage to have fun and get some rest.

Will catch up on thread now.

ChunkyChicken Wed 27-Feb-13 18:47:07

contra fair enough, but in your shoes, I'd have kept going. I couldn't not have the option iyswim. I learnt at 17/18 though, passed first time. DH didn't drive when we met but I refused to continue being his taxi driver whatever his DM chose to do was her look-out so he learnt eventually... The joint car is therefore technically mine, despite DH originally having the loan in his name smile

ChunkyChicken Wed 27-Feb-13 18:47:59

Eliza what's the plan then? I cam totally understand why you want to just get on with it!!

MissMummy1 Wed 27-Feb-13 18:50:54

We had our dermatologist appointment. Went well, woman knows her stuff. Got lits to try and some coconut oil emulsifier to get the last of cradle cap scales away - although aveeno is working wonders grin - and steroid cream for hernia. Back in 3 weeks to reassess but feeling much more positive.

Matilda has awful eczema and no epidural here - sorry!

Det DP being a total knob jockey here too. I left him 2 bloody jobs today: contact credit union and make a short list of cars. Oh and hang some washing up or empty the dishwasher. He has spent all day pissing about and done none of the above angry

Car update: the bastarding woman has gone to insurance company angry angry angry . BUT she admitted liability and her company are dealing with it all, mine arent going to be involved. I am meant to be getting a courtesy car tonight (no sign yet) and mine towed away to be assessed. They also told me to email them a list of prices for car seat, base and pram that were in the car - although all undamaged and it was a light scrape they are going to replace them all. All in all I might actually come out of this better off smile <dreading C1 hire car I have been threatened with>

horseylady Wed 27-Feb-13 18:51:19

eliza hugs ate sat you'll hopefully get answers.

stunt I will be all over those bf specialists!!!! Flat nipples and all!! If I have another. That's a pretty big if ATM!!

MissMummy1 Wed 27-Feb-13 18:51:44

fuck x post eliza. hugs x thanks

Contradictionincarnate Wed 27-Feb-13 18:57:47

chunky I didn't have the cash when I was 18 and then went to uni everything is quicker by bus etc there and car would be extra expense only moved from capital 6 years ago when I was learning I was doing charity work, studying and day job 9-7/8 most days something had to give ... when dh passed his test it became that. I still don't need to drive here and second car would be waste of money but would like to learn so me and dh can share driving wanna do a crash course!

Contradictionincarnate Wed 27-Feb-13 18:59:51

aw poor Eliza hope they get your lo sorted for once and all.

BigPigLittlePig Wed 27-Feb-13 19:21:34

Eliza let us know what the plan is thanks

I've felt like a complete dogs dinner the past week, really tired and sick. Mentioned this to dh, he is making me POAS when I can find a stick There is no chance it will be positive, but hadn't crossed my mind and now he's making me all stressy angry

Made tartiflette for tea, was a disaster, not all scrummy and creamy like I remember. And the bacon made me feel a bit sick thus adding to dhs paranoia

Going to bed on time tonight, if I post anything after 10 then tell me to fuck off please.

kirrinIsland Wed 27-Feb-13 19:32:35

thanks Eliza Hopefully you will get some answers now.

BPLP I did that this morning. Zero chance of a positive but the constant sicky tired feeling over the last week started to make me paranoid! T'was negative, of course.

YellowWellies Wed 27-Feb-13 19:44:53

I don't drive either blush my Mum was killed in a road accident when I was 17 so I didn't really fancy driving lessons at the time. Then went to uni in Oxford, lived in London and Hong Kong - none of which are car friendly. I think car drivers get so used to driving they think that life without is impossible - it isn't its just different. I'd like to learn though but its not a priority ATM. Its never been a barrier to my work but can see it could be. As a treehugger I think the biggest problem is that town planning has been car centric for years, walkable spaces make better communities and are good for the soul. Cars either isolate us into little bubbles or cause conflict over parking or insurance - or so it seems to me!

Eliza thanks

glendathefedupwitch Wed 27-Feb-13 19:56:06

eliza hugs - hope You get answers very soon and LO's weight gain improves sharpish - we're here to support you xx stay away from dr google!!!

* chunky* I too can't read/watch the news for all the sadness - I get bogged down thinking of the LO without a mummy sad

gt hope you remember everything (nappy cream, toiletries, toys..) you need for LO so when there you can relax and enjoy your holiday

vq glad you managed to dtd, I'd rather have pudding lol

Welcome rooty and nice to see you again sweetpea

Had a good night after a couple of failed transfers but had to be up and feeding D by 6am as I had a kit day. Managed to make it through the early shift without sickness lol, had a laugh actually as it was a nice bunch on the ward, was weird hearing those newborn cries!!

Collected d from the childminder and as she was putting her in the car seat D was smiling and cooing at her, really reassured me that she's happy there!!

Trout for tea - never had it before - dh cooking!!

MissMummy1 Wed 27-Feb-13 20:14:41

Add hire car companies to my list of wankbadgers angry I knew this sounded too easy to be true...

PetiteRaleuse Wed 27-Feb-13 20:24:58

Eliza that is a worry for you but at least they will find answers thanks

ValiumQueen Wed 27-Feb-13 20:25:32

I love trout!

ValiumQueen Wed 27-Feb-13 20:26:04

eliza good they are doing something.

TheDetective Wed 27-Feb-13 20:26:59

What are they doing MM? Whatever you do, don't let them palm you off with helphire (Albany Assist). Googled them and got a lot of negative feedback. I've got a hire car from the garage doing the repair now. Not that we can go anywhere in it. It is just sat on the drive hmm. Fucking shitty shitroen c1 indeed! New pram though, now that could be good! Get one and sell one and make some £ back for the inevitable increase in frickin' premiums.

VQ That lady has been all over my news feed on facebook. She is very local to where I work. She had her baby there, obviously at the same time we were all having ours. It all feels so close to home, I've been quite subdued since I heard a body had been found. PND can go fuck itself. Cunty depression, shit off. Poor family, poor woman... poor children sad

DS1 currently at Scouts. His first session ever. Hope he enjoys it! He was very excited!

O has released the velcro. Finally seems happy again, but I put him back to the size 3 teats, and it is since then he has been contented. He also had a pretty solid poo, and it took some hefty work. I'll start him on some cooled boiled water tomorrow. DP just made a bottle of it up, but I don't want to give it overnight, so will give him some between feeds tomorrow.

Evilwater Wed 27-Feb-13 20:27:16

Sorry I can't remember all the replies I wanted to do. But here goes:
Yes hire cars are a bastard,
No FF does not make a baby sleep longer I got 4 hours last night.
N has been in his own room for 2 months,
Congrats on the election, I hope it didn't cost alot.
The paper should be 'daily hate', I never read the thing. It's always the mothers who get it, as we are soft targets!

Today we have been to a social class, played on his mat, then walked to the shops, had messy play, bath, then music time and lastly bed! What a tiring day.

How could I not think that after messy play, came bath time!!! For fuck sake!

To all the mums that have had a crazy day thanks and brew and to all those that have crap nights thanks


Evilwater Wed 27-Feb-13 20:29:50

N manged to get some homemade playdough in his mouth (cornflower with water and some food colouring). What a picture! grin


Contradictionincarnate Wed 27-Feb-13 20:31:33

yw aw that's awful about your mum... I do agree driving is the easy option e if I had a car I wouldn't be going for woodland walks with dd I would probably be driving everywhere and buying lots of crap we don't need!
I also think it is actually easier to get the train into Cardiff for days out etc but its the relying on someone else to get you there what if trains stopped suddenly running or something!!
eeeee so excited now about my little holiday! grin and my anniversary and st Davids day!!

TheDetective Wed 27-Feb-13 20:37:46

Eliza I hope you get that phone call quickly. Fingers crossed a reason can be found, and she pops on that weight quickly!

Evilwater Wed 27-Feb-13 20:37:56

I can only get the house work done when N let's me. But as long as you can't write in the dust and the floors are ok. Then your doing miles better than me.

YW- where I live, you need a car! The busses here are terrible. It takes 40mins on the bus to get into the town. By car 20mins and its only 5 mil away!!


Pikz Wed 27-Feb-13 20:55:43

Evening fuckers

Been to a family funeral today am fucking tired and in need of bed.

Have attempting to read entire of days thread.

Apologies to all those suffering at the hands of twats.

Detective, sorry to hear about TT ours was never picked up til I went to breastfeeding specialist, no midwives, docs or HV saw it.

Horsey, I feel the same about breastfeeding but I know I gave it my all this time, we shall see next time.

Eliza, thinking of you and lots of love.

VQ LO sleeps no better on formula.

Am so fucking tired I can remember anymore, and I couldn't settle LO to sleep as I was being shit at it. DP had to step in sad

ChunkyChicken Wed 27-Feb-13 20:57:11

YW & contra don't get me wrong, not saying you should have a car or drive. Just think its an extra string to your bow. DH & I only have 1 car, never have had 2. I didn't take my car to uni & I luffed that maestro!! (Manchester), didn't drive to work when I lived in London (but had to when I worked in Leatherhead and lived north west Kent) & took my car off the road after the tax ran out until I moved home to train to be a teacher. I've tried not driving to some of the activities since we've moved (used to happily walk the few miles to toddler group with DD in the buggy at our old house) but the buses are SO expensive, its prohibitive, given I'm paying to tax, MOT & insure a car to sit on the driveway. I can't get to work by public transport unless I want to leave in August & get there by Christmas... especially with 30 exercise books, a laptop etc to carry. Most of the civil service jobs I've seen in the past like you to have a licence & it would certainly help in teaching, when training to drive the minibus. I'm not anti-public transport or walking, or pro-car, I just am surprised so many adults don't drive & rely on others to drive them around iyswim. It's one thing to be unable to afford a car & quite another to impose yourself on someone else's... Sorry if I offended you. Sorry too YW about your Mum. That must have been devastating.

BigPigLittlePig Wed 27-Feb-13 20:58:50

Ooh obsessive compulsive cleaners o'clock. Makes me feel less bad about my shitpit grin

MissMummy1 Wed 27-Feb-13 21:00:06

It is enterprise. They were meant to drop one off tonight. Claim they didn't get the details from insurance company. Will be tomorrow morning at earliest. I need it for yoga! (admitably not high priority...)

sweetpea1112 Wed 27-Feb-13 21:00:42

Eliza I know you don't 'know' me but I just wanted to add my thoughts to everyone else's and hope you get some answers soon thanks

Another non driver here blush YW that is very sad about your mum.

Detective that is awfully close to home for you. I also echo everyone else's sentiments about the tongue tie, surprising it wasn't picked up on sooner. A case of better late than never? Please tell me to fuck off if not the case!

ChunkyChicken Wed 27-Feb-13 21:03:08

Isn't it meant to do the opposite BPLP & inspire cleanliness? And shouldn't that be a 'pig sty'??!! grin <looks around at chicken coop & sighs, resigns self to living in a shit tip too>

DS asleep hopefully DD in bed hopefully asleep soon I'm off to find a bra... smile

sweetpea1112 Wed 27-Feb-13 21:07:23

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

BigPigLittlePig Wed 27-Feb-13 21:07:57

chunky it makes me want to clean their house, as am quite ruthless at decluttering other peoples dh's stuff but less good at my own...

<sniggering at chicken coop & pig sty>

Pikz Wed 27-Feb-13 21:08:24

Chunky try panache. I found very good for small back large cup size.

I was a 30F before getting preggers and even after stopping expressing am a 34F due to breech pushing rib cage out.

Kyzordz Wed 27-Feb-13 21:09:07

Evening all, and what a shitty evening t was. E got overtired, oil an hour to have 5oz. I wasnt trying to get him to take more, just he was hungry and tired so pulling off/crying/almost choking/generally making life difficult but then still wanted more. Then I bathed him a quick bath and tied to settle him but he wouldn't. Guess why? Fucking hungry! I explained nicely that had he drank normally and been good he might've been able to get to bed on time and wouldn't need another oz to settle. They are impossible to reason with, they really are! Got myself in a tizz and have a whacking headache now too. Due a dream feed at 10:30 but not sure I want to wake the little sod him up, he might start yelling at me again!!

Thinking of you eliza

When do you go gt?

Havet had time to take pic of e in car seat. Legs are killing cos cleaned stupid fucking house whilst e was out this morning. Really blitzed it, should do for now the next 3 months

Thankyou yw for anbesol advice. Am so rubbish I forgot I could be vaguely useful and couldve checked side of own box blush

sweetpea1112 Wed 27-Feb-13 21:09:54

envy at all the big boobies. Pregnancy has done nothing to boost my B cups sad

Passmethecrisps Wed 27-Feb-13 21:21:13

My norks are the same size but feel empty. My massive melon mammaries squished all the fat out it would appear and squished it into my arse

P has taken nearly 2 ducking hours to settle for bed. Not badly crying but just dozing, waking, waaahing and repeat.

Wine has CMP YW? All wine or just some wine? I remember being at a vegan mini-festival thing and was astonished at the fact that beers are strained through bones! Beer is still delicious though says the woman who uses to suck marrow out of chicken bones

horseylady Wed 27-Feb-13 21:27:09

I must have small boobs compared to you lot!!! 34 c!!!! That's if I'm having A big boob day!!! They went a d pregnant!!!

Elizadoesdolittle Wed 27-Feb-13 21:27:46

I'm overwhelmed by all your kind words. Thank you. I've felt all sorts of emotions today, the major one is failure as if I could feed her properly then she wouldn't have this issue. I'm convinced the reason she isn't gaining weight is purely because she isn't getting enough calories in her and that's because I'm not producing enough milk. If she took a cunt wanking bottle that would help grin although I guess that's better than there being a medical reason. the consultant said we will get a lot of help and support and the dietician will get involved too. And she'll be getting some well needed calories on board.

On the car debate, I have had a car since I was 18. Where I live has fab transport links and before children came I thought about selling my car but couldn't bring myself to do it. Now I really think I'd struggle to be without a car. I could do it but I wouldn't be able to do a lot of the things that I do with the kids. DH currently doesn't drive but if and when he learns we'd probably need to get another car.

mm sorry about your car. Stupid fucking neighbour.

yw no words...just thanksthanksthanks

I'm watching a child of our time and seeing that poor little baby in an incubator really put my situation into perspective. I now it's sweary Wednesday but I will have a lot to be thankful for tomorrow.

Passmethecrisps Wed 27-Feb-13 21:30:59

<big bone crushing squeeze for eliza>

BigPigLittlePig Wed 27-Feb-13 21:41:20

Bedtime! Night all, see you on thankful Thursday.

GTbaby Wed 27-Feb-13 22:00:05

I'm off Friday night.
Will take a few days to get Internet sorted there. So will try and drop in to say hi. But not having access on my phone will mean NO chance of catching up. Will try post a few pics on FB tho wink you can all marvel at my luxurious surroundings grin

ValiumQueen Wed 27-Feb-13 22:03:29

I have had very little to swear about today! And for that I am thankful.

J asleep at 9.30. See you tomorrow hopefully. Sweet dreams all x

ValiumQueen Wed 27-Feb-13 22:06:28

And a wee hug for detective I too have felt very sad for that lady and her family. A few years back I very nearly took a similar path, so a bit close to home for me too.

Please everyone take care of yourselves and your mental health. If you are having similar thoughts do please share them with somebody x

daisychain76 Wed 27-Feb-13 22:14:20

Take care Eliza ~ fingers crossed things get sorted soon. Safe trip GT

I don‘t drive due to dodgy eyesight, but it would be useful with 3 to ferry round. Having said that the walk to school is one of the best bits of the day -nice chance to chat with the eldest 2 --when we‘re not having to run cos lazy mum slept through
the alarm--

Oh gosh Eliza sorry I missed your posts. So sorry you are going through this and having to wait for the bed before anything can happen. Will be keeping everything crossed it's all resolved soon. I do know how you feel & I'll be thinking of you and your LO.

VQ that is terribly sad.

Wishing everyone a good night ready for a thankful Thursday - I'm bricking it about 3rd jabs tomorrow so might save my swearing for then.

YellowWellies Wed 27-Feb-13 22:43:44

chunky not offended at all - just observing that what you don't have you don't miss. I would be a total lard arse if I drove - I usually walk 5 - 7 miles a day everyday and have the appetite to match. On days with DH and the car I struggle to do even 1/4 mile. You need to do 4 miles a day to keep weight off and your heart healthy. So I'd be jeffed if I drove confused

Pass lots of wine (pinot grigio yuk) is dairy free but some grapes / vintages use milk to clarify. Sods law my faves do!

PennieLane Wed 27-Feb-13 22:57:53

I'm sorry to hear it eliza also v sad about that womansad

4 month sleep regression has hit our household. LO will NOT sleep, has been awake for nearly 12 hours blush

Take care everyone.

MissMummy1 Wed 27-Feb-13 22:57:56

Adds orange to the list of bellends as well angry

Does anyone else have this problem. The last 5 times my phone has run out of battery and switched off it wont let me send texts. Each time pramge has sent me a text to reconnect it to messaging server. They wont do it again angry

MissMummy1 Wed 27-Feb-13 22:58:38

sp orange

kissyfur Wed 27-Feb-13 23:02:35

So sorry about your mum YW thanks

Eliza wishing you and LO all the best for when you go in, hugs

How sad about the lady with PND, her poor family

I passed my driving test first time at 17, can't imagine not being able to drive, but I do a lot of walking as well. Speaking of which I have just downloaded the Pramometer app, anyone else tried it?

Oh and I'm a 34G since having LO! Was only a B cup before having DD1. Could really do with a decent nursing bra, I do find them a big restrictive tho so tend to go bra less unless I'm going out somewhere!

kirrinIsland Wed 27-Feb-13 23:06:38

YW my pedometer proves you right on that. Some days today I don't even walk half a mile, and I have been out and about.

mm make sure you take all your belongings out of the hire car when you return it. If your Enterprise is anything like ours then there's no such thing as lost property, just finders keepers for the staff. I left a really nice pair of sunglasses in mine and they "couldn't find them" even though they'd already told me the car hadn't been hired out again since I'd had it angry

I have a very snuffly fidgety baby tonight so not optimistic about getting any much sleep.

ChunkyChicken Wed 27-Feb-13 23:10:34

Thanks for the bra advice!!

horsey I've always thought I was small-of-nork... Check out the AIBU thread for the 'proper' way to measure yourself. Also, aren't you dead slim & well toned? I doubt your rib cage would be massively huge (although prepared to be wrong) if you're slim. I'm quite a pear-shaped, curvy 10-14 (depending on shop/clothing) but I measure an admittedly snug/taught tape measure 30.5-31.5" round the chest. I used to wear a 34C, then a 32DD before I had DD. Pg has been a huge blessing at times wink Oh and re; your flat nipples & bfing. Perhaps you could try a breast pump in the last few wks of pg to get them to pull out a bit? I know a friend of mine had inverted nips prior to breastfeeding her (now 2yo DS) and she doesn't any more...

YW true smile And gutted about the wine who'd a thunk it?

Eliza if DD 'seems' satisfied after a feed, then your supply is not lacking I wouldn't have thought. It may be she's just having to work hard to get the milk & burning precious calories. Fc things work out well really soon.

Off to read more Call the MW. Thankful for tomorrow's Thursday.


Passmethecrisps Wed 27-Feb-13 23:10:34

Took 4 attempts or me to pass my driving test. I grew up in very rural south west Scotland and had to drive some distance to practice roundabouts. There were no traffic lights so we had to drive up and down the Main Street of a town waiting for someone to push te button on the pedestrian crossing.

I passed when I got a job in Kirkcaldy and lived in Stirling. It is possible by public transport - I did it a few times - but a total nightmare.

I love driving now. Particularly now with P actually. It is the only time a feel actually alone even though she is in the back seat. Stick radio 4 on and try to remember the things I used to think about.

Passmethecrisps Wed 27-Feb-13 23:13:36

Oh! And I was also wondering horsey about your rib measurement. I was a 32 DD and am now probably a 34 DD but I can pretty much get in my old 32s. Under my boobs I measure 32 inches.

Passmethecrisps Wed 27-Feb-13 23:14:56

Aargh! With my point being . . . That your slim self is most likely to be considerably smaller than my porker being.

Contradictionincarnate Wed 27-Feb-13 23:21:12

cannot believe it baby is asleep before her dad!

Contradictionincarnate Wed 27-Feb-13 23:23:10

lots of packing tonight gt how are you doing it ! and pregnant too! I'm only going away for 3 nights!! sooo much stuff! shock

Contradictionincarnate Wed 27-Feb-13 23:27:56

oh chunky no didn't think you were offending me smile your right it will be a string to my bow and its definitely on my to do list just that it seems harder and harder to do ... I want to do a crash course as I know I can drive or least I could 5 years ago just don't want to start having lesson after lesson again. I have had 3 teachers too and didn't really get on with any of them!!

rootypig Thu 28-Feb-13 00:07:21

hey kissy and Chunky, I am not as large of boob as you! but I find the Bravado nursing bras really comfy. these ones: http://www.johnlewis.com/bravado-silk-seamless-nursing-bra/p40298. I sleep in them. actually I have two that I live in, they are a bit gross well worn

not the sexiest, I concede! but that's rather low on the list in the rooty house blush

rootypig Thu 28-Feb-13 00:07:37
Evilwater Thu 28-Feb-13 03:02:44

I can't believe it, everyone is asleep but me, gr.... angry

I'm off to make my will at 11. It will be great to know N will be looked after my sister and not DP as he can barely cope with him now. I can't imagine DP coping with a toddler or teenagerhmm my DP has mental health issues, OCD and undiagnosed aspergers and I'm worried he might do something if he was the sole career. Yes, he has said he can't cope with his change of routine, and the noise. He even struggles with social aspect now.

Sorry for unloading here, but I need to know I'm doing the right thing.

VQ- I'm so sorry to hear about your mother.

Contradictionincarnate Thu 28-Feb-13 03:16:58

evil I'm not asleep dd just woke starving and happened to have large bottle ff before bed ...usually if she has it its much later ...I'm so tired. its been said before but I think if she wakes earlier than 5.30 it makes a big difference mentally. sad

Contradictionincarnate Thu 28-Feb-13 03:18:49

oh and evil the right thing for your lo is always the right thing!

Contradictionincarnate Thu 28-Feb-13 03:29:12

my bras that I wear 24/7 and are so comfy are from matalan ...not sure how high the sizes are but I think they are pretty high. had to go and get more a few weeks ago as they were the only ones I wanted to wear!

Contradictionincarnate Thu 28-Feb-13 03:31:05

so I am alone .... sad.... glad everyone else is getting some sleep... I had my long stint Sunday night...2 in one week is selfish!

rootypig Thu 28-Feb-13 03:47:35

hi contra, I am here! 7oz expressed milk at midnight and she's up 3 1/2 hours later, like clockwork, grizzling like she's been on a bloody park bench all day, and not cuddled up, eating constantly!


Evil sounds like good decision and reassuring for DP too. than goodness for sisters

Evilwater Thu 28-Feb-13 03:56:40

I'm still up, N wanted feeding and a change of nappy. Which I've manged to do with out putting on a light.

Thanks for all the reassurance, ill try and get back to bed.


StuntNun Thu 28-Feb-13 04:20:32

Cheeky DH had the nerve to say he was just as tired as me. Errr no, what was he doing last week when I had the kids away for six nights? And he doesn't get up for night feeds and have to stay awake. I told him there was no point having a 'who is the most tired' competition because whoever won was really the loser. It made sense to me at the time anyway. sad

Hugs to everyone having a tough time at the moment.

ValiumQueen Thu 28-Feb-13 04:45:59

Awake 1.30 and 4.30 so far. With formula at 7.

blonder we have third jabs today too so we can compare symptoms.

evil my brother has Aspergers. He is the one I would most want to have the kids but it would be too much for him sadly. He has a tendancy to want to kill himself frequently as it is. You know best remember. He is your son.

ValiumQueen Thu 28-Feb-13 04:55:38

J has wind. He has been settling better these last few days but now he has wind. Grr.

Contradictionincarnate Thu 28-Feb-13 05:04:03

she is back up again ... was thinking is she cold is it something else but as soon as I picked her out she started sucking my neck like a crazed vampire!! thinking maybe this is the 12 week growth spurt not what happened last week.
starting to think even this growth spurt thing is a load of bollocks not that they don't have them but that they have specific ones ... we want to think hey this is the 12 week spurt etc so this should be over next week not that this could happen again any day.

Cacacaz Thu 28-Feb-13 05:07:04

Awake here too. M woke himself up with a coughing fit hmm poor baby

Eliza at least you will now get some answers and LO will be well looked after.

GT have a lovely holiday

YW so sorry to read about your mum flowers

I'm another who can't watch most programmes on tv without turning into a blubbering mess. I've always been emotional, more so since being pregnant.

Such heartbreaking news about the lady who took her own life hmmhmm my thoughts are with her family. My friend nearly took her own life a few years ago after a nervous breakdown. My mum suffers from SAD. Depression affects so many, yet it saddens me that there is still such a negative stigma attached. I'm very thankful I have a great support network and good mental health.

Pikz Thu 28-Feb-13 06:03:54

Evil you are doing right thing. It's hard but LO will appreciate it in the long run should the worst happens.

Happy LO very much awake am trying to convince him it's still night. He's done 7.30-1.45-5.45 so far he sounds very awake still.

Catbag Thu 28-Feb-13 06:08:53

Omfg. River slept from 8pm until 6am. Unbefuckinglievable. I know I missed sweary wednesday, but omfg. Saul did not (he had 4 feeds in that time), but lying down feeding one is soooo much easier than sitting up feeding two! <faints>

YellowWellies Thu 28-Feb-13 06:10:49

First feed back to normal time thanks to anbesol before bed - can feel a bump quite clearly where one of his front teeth will be. He woke up really shrieky with lots of pain cries and had to reapply mid feed (not ideal) as he was so sore. Poor chap.

Evil sounds like a tough thing to have to think about but the right choice thanks

Rootypig 'park bench' titter, when Jonas wakes hysterically I sometimes comment 'have you been locked in the shed?' sometimes you'd think so.hmm

YellowWellies Thu 28-Feb-13 06:38:01

LO asnooze just in time for DH getting up for work. Arse weasels.

kirrinIsland Thu 28-Feb-13 06:54:46

evil sounds like a good decision

cat well done to river Hope she keeps it up.

N woke every 2 hours. We always seem to come back to every 2 hours sad At least she has started to settle more easily between feeds.

MissMummy1 Thu 28-Feb-13 07:29:43

Thankful Thursday at last!

I am thankful for the beautiful little bundle lying next to me, who despite only sleeping for a grand 2 hours last night (and in MY bed), decided i am the most hilarious person ever at 4am and practiced her best, cutest giggles.

I am thankful DP is now on shore leave for a week and can deal with said bundle tonight grin

I am thankful for this group, quite literally saving my sanity this week.

And, come this evening, I will probably be thankful for phone insurance as the bliddy thing is broken again. Thankful or raging.. it could go either way confused

ChunkyChicken Thu 28-Feb-13 07:34:18

Since not getting so engorged at night, I've been feeding laying down, so don't wake up enough check in on here. So, just because I'm not here at 3am doesn't mean I'm sleeping (although technically, at 3am I was - A woke up at about 2, as did DD, so I prodded & poked DH awake to deal with her & I fell asleep fed A). DD woke at 5, DS woke with DH's alarm so I had about 2x 2.5hrs in a block iyswim.

evil we've asked our friends to have our dc should the worst happen. My dsis has 3 kids in a small 3 bed house & we feel, as much as she'd do a good job, it would be too much. Now just to get the wills sorted You should do what you is right.

cat smile for River & you!!

PetiteRaleuse Thu 28-Feb-13 07:42:49

I am thankful for a good night's sleep.

I'm thankful that my flu has packed its bags and is almost out the door. Looking forward to slamming that door on its sorry behind, but need another day yet.

I'm thankful that LO's flu is reluctantly starting to fling its belongings into its suitcase. I wish it would hurry up and fuck off, but she is happier today at least for now.

I'm thankful that the weather forecast for the next whole week is sun. No rain, no snow. If they've fucked up on this forecast I think eastern France will start a revolt.

I'm thankful that DD1 went into kissy and cuddly mode yesterday. Cuddles with mummy aren't really her thing so when they happen they are very precious. I wonder if LO will be a daddy's girl too.

I'm thankful for DH. He's my rock.

I'm thankful that episodes 5&6 of Dexter will be on TV tonight.

Right. That'll do for now.

Cacacaz Thu 28-Feb-13 07:54:39

After watching OBEM --while the tears were flowing--I am thankful that my little bundle is healthy.

I am thankful for my DH who has been my rock before, during and after my mums cancer treatment. I am thankful that after her recent mastectomy, where there was an abnormality, that she has been given the all clear. I am thankful --and very jealous--this time next week she is off to Australia for 6 weeks.

I am thankful for caffeine free diet coke since donating breast milk means I can no longer indulge in ordinary diet coke.

Well done River

Evil we also need to sort out a will

horseylady Thu 28-Feb-13 08:00:16

Up. Every. Hour.

Bang on 4 months to start regressing. Or whatever they're supposed to bloody do at this age!!!

Think the poor soul is teething too. He doesn't seem to know what to do with him gums. So off to buy teething gel. Any recommendations? He won't chew the teething toys!! Just his hands. Maybe my hands. Bright red cheeks sad do people just let them ride this with teething gel or do you use Calpol?

Dh probably going to suggest weaning as his friend told him he should start at 17 weeks.

PennieLane Thu 28-Feb-13 08:01:28

I'm thankful for my DH, continued to me my rock. I'm also thankful for a LO who sleeps, after being awake 12 hours (!) slept 11-7.30. Im thankful to be staying at MILs this Wkend to get away from builders. Especially given I'm still feeling ill and now have a tummy bug!

sweetpea1112 Thu 28-Feb-13 08:04:10

Morning all

Today I am thankful that O has been a superstar since his jabs - sleeping, feeding, smiling, laughing on repeat since we got home yesterday.

I am thankful that I have not managed to break him so far and that he has remained healthy throughout his three months (today!) on this earth.

I am thankful that I have so far, not suffered with PND as it was a real worry of mine.

I am thankful for the fact that Oscar is very loved by the whole family.

I am thankful that it is nearly the weekend and my birthday grin

PetiteRaleuse Thu 28-Feb-13 08:06:44

Will start a revolt? <slaps self>

will revolt. Or start a revolution.

Pikz Thu 28-Feb-13 08:14:43

I am thankful for my LO who's sleeping is slowly improving. I'm hoping its like weight loss and means it will stay that way rather than yoyoing.

I am thankful to our super duper coffee machine which keeps me going.

I am thankful mostly to DP who loves me and LO to the moon and back and makes LO laugh so much he now shakes with excitement about baths with daddy!

Jims Thu 28-Feb-13 08:41:36

eliza just wanted to stop (mostly) lurking to wish you both the best in hospital. I hope you manage to get some answers. The only thing i'd add is that it'll be time you can just concentrate on you and LO without having to worry about the house, your others etc. if and it's a big if, there are any doubts over your supply, you might have more time in hospital to pump after feeds to build it up which is so hard to do at home. At least that was what i spent my time doing in our two stays and we're still going.

PurplePidjin Thu 28-Feb-13 08:41:52

I am thankful for dp, who is not a twat occasionally irritating

I am thankful for friends making sure i get out of the house. I'm immensely thankful that, despite a recent history of anxiety and depression, I'm showing no signs of PND.

PetiteRaleuse Thu 28-Feb-13 08:49:40

I'm also thankful, especially after yesterday's news, that I don't suffer from PND. I thought I was at one point but it was the sodding cerazette.

rootypig Thu 28-Feb-13 08:56:03

yw yy to the instant outrage, as if they find themselves abandoned by the side of the road, and not forced to wait, oooh, four or five seconds for maman to pop her udders bloody boob out smile

I suppose quite like it in a way, since DD is a girl, will be encouraging her to maintain this attitude of expectation so she doesn't get walked all over sidelined as I've sometimes let myself be

So I am thankful for naturally assertive DD! long may it last <takes cover>

horsey have you heard of Ashton and Parsons teething powder? a friend with 18mo DD swears by them. most likely to find them in a pharmacy I think. you give to the LO morning and night.

Passmethecrisps Thu 28-Feb-13 08:56:05

Good morning beautiful bappers,

I am thankful for lots of things:
DP is a total star.
I have a baby in her Moses basket trying to simultaneously stuff a dummy, her fist and a toy sheep in her mouth.
That I am part of the best quiche on MN

Evilwater Thu 28-Feb-13 09:02:06

Eliza -thinking of you.

Thank you for all the support, I know it's the right choice but sometimes it's nice to hear it.

I'm thankful for:
A loving family,
Wonderful friends,
My baby boy,
A full belly,
A warm house,


Passmethecrisps Thu 28-Feb-13 09:26:14

evil you have had such a hard time but you are endlessly brave and cheerful. I hope your meeting goes well.

Oh. I am also grateful for ni

Passmethecrisps Thu 28-Feb-13 09:32:14

Sorry. . .

Nipple cream. Lansinoh to be precise

I am currently using my tube for:
Wee p's dry cheeks
My own dry eyelids
My lips

sweetpea1112 Thu 28-Feb-13 09:34:58

Oh pass that's interesting about the nipple cream. I have an unused tube so may try it on O's dry cheeks.

ChunkyChicken Thu 28-Feb-13 09:40:11

I am thankful that, generally, my dc tend to be healthy & apparently physically & developmentally average/'normal'.

I am thankful that my not so new house is much bigger than our old one goddamn toys & thousands of drawings & paintings by DD and so v close to family, a good school & leisure centre.

I am thankful my boobs do a good job & I can feed laying down smile

ValiumQueen Thu 28-Feb-13 09:40:40

I am thankful for evil for suggesting thankful Thursdays. I think we all benefit greatly because it helps us focus on what is really important in life.

I am thankful for my beautiful baby boy, and that he has got to 4 months safely. I am also thankful that I will never have to repeat the last 4 months, as they have been very hard.

I am thankful that he is sleeping better.... Just in time for the 4 month regression no doubt. I thought we were through it, but now I think not.

I am thankful my husband has passed his driving test, and can take the girls to school and nursery so I can feed J at my leisure.

I am thankful for my wonderful Internet friends here x

Passmethecrisps Thu 28-Feb-13 09:42:05

It is great stuff sweet. I only used mine a few times so have a full tube. P has a weird rough patch on both cheeks and is a beggar for scratching at them while she is eating. The cream forms a seal so is quite protective while also healing the rough bit.

I also get eczema on my eyelids occassionally. I have never used anything which has healed it so quickly

TooManyDicksOnTheDancefloor Thu 28-Feb-13 09:53:03

Morning all! Didn't get much chance to post yesterday, spend every spare minute catching up on the thread. It's like a really good soap opera, I have to read everything or I feel I'm missing out.

((Hugs)) to Eliza. I have a friend in baby cafe who's daughter is 6 months old and has just hit 10lbs. EBF also, she's a happy contented baby, just small. I hope it's the same for your little lady and you are sent home with a clean bill of health.

I watched call the midwife followed by OBEM last night, I'm a sucker for a sob fest.

TooManyDicksOnTheDancefloor Thu 28-Feb-13 09:54:53

Forgot about the thanks. I'm thankful that I have no worries.

ChunkyChicken Thu 28-Feb-13 09:56:51

Oh and I am thankful that whilst DH might be irritatingly untidy and couldn't clear up after himself if you paid him he does love me.

PetiteRaleuse Thu 28-Feb-13 09:57:18

Ooh. I'm now thankful I didn't throw out my almost unused tube of Lansinoh. I'll be even more thankful when I remember where I put it.

I'm thankful for the last four months, but like VQ am thankful that I will never have to go through them again.

I am realising that I am already forgetting things from DD1's babyhood, and I am thankful that for both girls I keep a kind of diary where I note down key moments in their lives and in the lives of people around them. So when they ask me when they first smiled/walked/swore I'll be able to tell them or just give them their books, where it is all written down, along with observations on the political landsacpe of the time and favourite recipes. You think you'll never forget these precious moments but you do, especially when there's another of them.

I'm annoyed that LO's book is far less detailed, and I hope she doesn't hold it against me at a later date.

BigPigLittlePig Thu 28-Feb-13 10:05:27

I'm thankful for LO sleeping til 3.30 and then til 7 and the fact that she has finally grown into her "coming home from hospital" outfit - how big did I think she was going to be?!

Still feel sick despite sleep.
Not impressed.

Glad you're feeling better pr

ChunkyChicken Thu 28-Feb-13 10:07:47

Have the same thing PR. Have a baby journal (exact same one for both dc because I liked it & thought that was 'fair') and do try to keep track of things but know DS isn't getting as much attention as DD did at the same age.

For example, I used to take a hundred pictures of DD on her weekly birthday, & although quite a few were lost when the laptop decided to be shit went wrong, we still have a lot. I feel a bit sad that I don't have any nice pictures of just DS & I since he was born - I had 3 or 4 sets taken with DD by the same age. Will just have to make sure DH takes a few nxt wk when we're away.

I also try to remember that, whilst cameras are great, you can't be making the memory and behind the camera at the same time. Fewer pictures just means we've been busy living....

I am now keeping a journal too, so I can keep track of what's happening in our lives. I may try to get an album whilst on holiday to put snaps & other bits & pieces in as soon as we get back.

ChunkyChicken Thu 28-Feb-13 10:11:01

Forgot to write the sentence "Sometimes I forget DS has got a week older so totally forget to take a picture!!" in my 2nd paragraph!!

I am thankful that my gorgeous babylaughalot is happy and smiles at me first thing in the morning, can't think of a better way to start the day!

I am also thankful for our tumble dryer.

Now, can anyone tell me where I've put the sodding baby hairbrush?! It was on the arm of the sofa last week and I need to give her hair a brush to get the cradle cap out.....where the hell has it gone?!

PetiteRaleuse Thu 28-Feb-13 10:55:14

It's fallen off and been kicked underneath the sofa?

The dog ate it?

It's fallen off and been squashed down into the sofa cushions whe it is picking up biscuit crumbs and 5p pieces?

Not under the sofa, no dog, not under the sofa cushions with all the cake crumbs

Izzybuzzybuzzybees Thu 28-Feb-13 11:15:15

DS has just been weighed by the health visitor. 19lbs at 17 weeks!! He really is my chunky monkey!

She did the PND score on me and I scored fine which I'm thankful for as with my DD I developed PND around 4.5months after she was born. That was tough, especially as I was still recovering from the PPP.

Contradictionincarnate Thu 28-Feb-13 11:50:20

yay thankful Thursday ...
yeah thanks evil for starting it ...I am thankful for this quiche is the best has helped me so much!
I am thankful I haven't yet developed PND and that I am aware of it.
not told many people this but I tried to kill myself at 18 so am thankful to be here!
I'm thankful my little weekend away starts in about 5 mins when dh walks through the door (married 4 years tommorow and love him even more!)
thankful its St David's Day tommorow!!
as cerys Matthews put it "everyday when I wake up I thank the lord I'm Welsh" grin
Dydd Dewi Sant Hapus! to dicks and anyone else with a little welsh in them!
(a welcome in their hillside oh er misses) wink
grin grin grin grin grin grin grin grin grin grin grin grin grin

kirrinIsland Thu 28-Feb-13 11:56:17

I'm thankful that both my girls are happy and healthy.

I'm thankful for my close family and my discovery that 300 miles isn't that far to drive really!

I'm thankful for my new job as it's lifted a real weight of my mind.

BigPigLittlePig Thu 28-Feb-13 11:56:24

Have just popped over to the bra chat (thanks stunt). Always worn a 34A, always. On todays measurements - 30F!? WTAF???

DH is going to have this face when I tell him -> shock and this grin

TooManyDicksOnTheDancefloor Thu 28-Feb-13 12:10:45

Dydd gwyl dewi sant hapus contra! Love that line by Cerys grin
Enjoy your weekend away and happy anniversary.

Lilliana Thu 28-Feb-13 12:33:50

Hi, I was on the antenatal threads but couldn't keep up. I now have a phone with internet so hoping I can rejoin you although it has taken me 2 nights to catch up!

Lily was finally born on 30th Nov, 2 weeks late and induced. Bit of a scary birth but she is fine and the most amazing thing ever.

I'm also on the fb group and it has been lovely seeing all your gorgeous babies.

I am thankful for stuntnun's bra thread- I now need to go shopping! Not many shops around here so going to look online. Can anyone recommend a good nursing bra? If it was kind of pretty that would be a bonus as could do with feeling a bit better about myself.

I am also thankful that L slept for 5 hours straight last night- she is usually up every 2/3 hours (or more)

Donnadoon Thu 28-Feb-13 12:56:47

Hello everyone I'm thankful for my gorgeous family and can't believe that 1 year ago today I got my BFP

I am thankful for my lovely girls and how, if I want, my family could be complete with one pregnancy!

I got my BFP one year ago today, almost to the hour. I remember sitting on the edge of the bath, stunned but so so happy! DP's reaction "What, you're shitting me!" grin

Eliza I hope you are ok and your LO shows an improvement soon. Thinking of you.

PetiteRaleuse Thu 28-Feb-13 13:15:30

Welcome back Liliana

Contra I love that song, it's so uplifting (though I have no idea what she says in Welsh)

PetiteRaleuse Thu 28-Feb-13 13:16:18

I need to look at this bra thread. And probably buy a measuring tape.

BigPigLittlePig Thu 28-Feb-13 13:26:30

Am having another lazy day, but need a tin of tomatoes to cook tea (recipe from pidj) so need to get dressed and go for a walk to the shops. I've become very lazy post pregnancy [shame]

Am a bit in disbelief at the bra sizes, the media portrays peopple with bigger cup sizes as being only like pammy/jordan. The proof will be in the trying on of bras, won't be til next week. I genuinely struggle to believe my dainty but veiny norks will be what's predicted. Only measured for a laaarf.

Why oh why did I volunteer to work tomorrow? I'm absolutely shattered sad

MissMummy1 Thu 28-Feb-13 13:57:42

Welcome back liliana !

I didn't get my bfp until 14th April blush

MissMummy1 Thu 28-Feb-13 14:01:43

Still no damned hire car. 5pm tonight at earliest but most likely tomorrow or Saturdayangry (I should have got it yesterday afternoon).

On the plus side I found my paper licence! I have been looking for the 7 months since we moved here so I could change the address. Plus however long it was lost before that (still had my mums address on it and I haven't lived at home for 4+ years shock )!! I casually mentioned to my mum I had lost it and she knew exactly what folder it would be in and where in MY house I would likely have put it. She was spot on tooconfused . Is this a magic mummy power? or does my mum know me far too well hmm

Lilliana Thu 28-Feb-13 14:46:51

Thanks missmummy. Sorry to hear about your enterprise woes -I have issue with them too.

Can I ask for some opinions?About 48 hours after her first jabs L had a sort of fit.It only lasted seconds and she hasn't had anything similar since. I mentioned it to the hv who said to call the docs and get them to log it. Did this and the doc said she wanted to see L before her nexts jabs to check she is ok. I then got a letter saying she is not happy making the decision about jabs and wants to refer us to the hospital. I've now had a call saying the first appointment they have is the 26th March and am I happy to postpone her jabs until then. She is 13 weeks tomorrow. Are they being over cautious? are there any problems with her having them when older? Not sure if I would rather get them out of the way but obviously don't want to do anything that might cause her a problem, I just don't know what they are going to do when they see her as she seems fine.

ChunkyChicken Thu 28-Feb-13 14:47:04

Lilliana welcome back. Depends on your size really as far as bras go. Currently wearing a 34F from John Lewis which come in pretty designs & do the job well (will prob have to forgo the design aspect when I search for my apparently correct size of 30GG!!!).

I know what you mean BPLP. It's a sort of reverse vanity isn't it? It all comes from adding those 4/5 inches to the band size. Looking at it now, I find myself thinking "why did we do that??!!!" confused I know my norks will shrink a bit post bf but still, even a 30F sounds a bit, well, generous!! smile

Lilliana Thu 28-Feb-13 14:59:57

I am apparently a 34e now - 30GG shock grin guessing that is limiting when it comes to choice! Will have a look at JL, thanks chunky

kissyfur Thu 28-Feb-13 15:16:52

Thanks for the bra tip rooty! Sorry missed it last night

horseylady Thu 28-Feb-13 15:34:13

vq hopefully you're through everything now!!!

I told e that 4am talks are fine. Talking every hour is not fine.

However he's a good boy and this time last year I think I was walking round ins daze wondering how the hell I was actually pregnant after trying for soooooo long.

As always I'm grateful my boy is here and healthy. And for you lovely ladies. And my Nct group!!

I am thankful that the horrible nurse who did the 2nd jabs appeared to have had a personality transplant before the 3rd today so they were as painless as three needles can be. L had stopped crying before we left the room and is now lying in my arms playing with my hand (his current favourite toy).

V thankful for our quiche and our Evil Thankful Thursdays.

Thankful that although he seems to have reverted to 2 night feeds, he slept in between them last night so I feel rested.

Thankful not to have PND and to have overcome MH issues in the past.

Thankful for L's splutters of laughter when I tickle his foot that bubble up inside him, much to his evident surprise. Cutest. Thing. Ever.

ValiumQueen Thu 28-Feb-13 16:20:12

Just as I was going out the door, the postman delivered a letter saying they are not giving his jags until 14th March. Grr. Had myself all psyched up for it!

Feeling really low and tearful today and I do not really know why. I know I am very tired as J is back to waking twice, and did not settle so well last night.

Those who claim tax credits, make sure you tell them about your new addition. DH said at the time the registrar contacted the benefits people, and I assumed that included tax credits, but today tells me that is not the case. I called them. They only backdate 1 month. The fuckers will backdate years if it is in their favour though.

Can someone with a brain that works please tell me how you get a tax refund and when? I know I will be due something this year, but cannot remember if I need to do anything to get it.

YellowWellies Thu 28-Feb-13 16:52:27

VQ just make sure the taxman has your latest address and in a year or so you'll get a cheque. My rebate from the tax year starting April 2011 only arrived this month!

I am thankful for said tax rebate, for eager Grandparents over the moon at the prospect of cuddles this weekend, that I'll get my hands back by virtue of everyone else cuddling him, that the house purchase is going well, for anbesol for helping our teething bear, for waking up to my alarm clock this morn, for my wonderful DH and that its fish and chip night (sorry PR)

MissMummy1 Thu 28-Feb-13 17:04:54

Fiesta or corsa? I have a choice of hire car. (neither really focus sized as promised...)

Kyzordz Thu 28-Feb-13 17:07:50

I'm always thankful for my little boy, but not so thankful that he has decided to eff and blind at his bottles and not want to drink them despite clearly being hungry.

I am thankful I get to spend time with him but not so thankful that the poor little sod has to put up with me! I'm with you on the teary day vq sad I am putting mine down to the implant and hormones and the current 10 day long period, of which I have not had since Eric was born.

Ah heck, it'll soon be tomorrow. Had a blip earlier where I convinced myself he'd be better off adopted and I made a terrible mistake having him but I regretted it as soon as I said it. I mean it only for his sake, not mine. I love the bones of him and he's the best thing in my life but I feel for him having to put up with me muddling through and no doubtedly screwing things up! I had a bit of a cry and do feel better now. It had better be those bloody hormones and they'd best go away soon!

Thankful for our group and thankful that dp is pretty good smile also thankful that the octopus hat is coming along nicely!!

Ladies, I'm being brave right now and finally admitting that I have PND, I cannot shake it and it's getting worse, I've spent another day in tears.
I fucking hate myself for having it, I am meant to be the strong one, the one that does the picking up and looking after, not I'm the pathetic one that cries everyday for no apparent reason and can't seem to find joy in anything. sad
I'm shouting at the kids and finding the grind of J's crying really tough.
I'm not quite ready to see a GP yet but am ready to talk to other people about it, I am finding the daily glued to the sofa thing a real problem and my anxiety about cleaning is getting bad. I feel so insecure and hate the fact that I look like shit since my rosacea has got a million times worse, I hate that I used to be able to wear nice underwear and was thought of as attractive and pretty, now I'm a frumpy lady with a horrible face and hair and a nasty bra that is there only to cater for feeding J.
I feel so ill all the time, like I've run a marathon everyday.
DP is a t a job interview atm, I hate that he can look lovely in his suit and go out into the world without thinking about feeding, changing and worrying about people staring at him, although at the same time I am glad that he can do all this and I really hope he get's the job as I think not being in work is finally getting to him a bit and this job is local, really local so we might actually get to see him sometimes rather than a London based job where we won't so much.
Anyway, I feel a bit better getting that out there, and I know I need to talk to someone IRL, health visitor or GP and I will but first I need to accept the fact that this is happening and stop pretending that I'm ok.

kissyfur Thu 28-Feb-13 17:13:38

I'm thankful for my lovely mum, who is the best grandma my girls could wish for.

I'm thankful for my lovely family, feel very fortunate that I was able to have my 2 girls, and that they are healthy and happy.

I'm thankful for slow cookers that enable me to have a nice beef stew ready for dinner tonight with minimum effort!

And I'm thankful that on Saturday I will finally get to see my best friend, after a whole year passing by! Hoping to get out for a cheeky drink in the evening if LO goes to bed at a decent hour smile

BigPigLittlePig Thu 28-Feb-13 17:17:13

Tits just <hugs> and thanks

kissyfur Thu 28-Feb-13 17:22:28

Cross post tits, so sorry to hear you're feeling like that. I'm with you on the feeling unattractive and missing being able to wear nice undies etc but do remember that this phase will pass. I felt like that after DD1 but once she got bigger and I wasn't feeding her as much I started to feel more like the old me.

Kyz and VQ sorry to hear you're both feeling down too winethanks

sweetpea1112 Thu 28-Feb-13 17:22:40

Tits thanks

I'm so sorry you are feeling this way. Although I feel extremely fortunate that PND seems to have passed me by for now, when I fell pregnant with O I was signed off work with depression, so I understand a lot of what you are feeling. I found that facing up to it as you are doing now was a massive step in my recovery. My GP was excellent and I hope that you can get the help that you need, when you feel ready to take that step.

Pikz Thu 28-Feb-13 17:23:18

Tits thank you for being so brave. Huge hugs.

12 week jabs just done at 14 weeks.

Am awaiting today's poonami

I too am thankful for my mum who is amazing.

Lilliana Thu 28-Feb-13 17:25:46

Oh Tits ((((hugs)))) thanks brew so glad you are beginning to talk about it.

StuntNun Thu 28-Feb-13 17:37:10

Sorry to hear you're feeling in a bad way Tits. After the PGP in pregnancy, your difficult time in labour and the stresses of juggling the needs of a newborn with the rest of your family it is perhaps not surprising that you continue to have a low mood. Well done for facing up to it and remember we are here to listen if you need it, to support you any way we can, and to celebrate your successes as you tackle the PND. Hopefully this can be the start of everything getting better for you. I wish I could do something more concrete to help out. But please remember what we have already been through together as a group, and that we will continue to face up to new challenges together. That's the beauty of our quiche. In the meantime extra thanksthanksthanks for you.

I phoned HMRC VQ and they told me what form to fill in. I got my tax refund in September as I wasn't going to be earning any more in the tax year.

You can get lovely bras in big cup sizes Chunky and Lilliana I got a gorgeous Panache 32H which is white lace over a hot pink lining. Freya and HotMilk also do sexy nursing bras.

Donnadoon Thu 28-Feb-13 17:39:32

Tits thanks Talk Talk Talk to us all you want ... someone is here to listen 24 hours a day x

Passmethecrisps Thu 28-Feb-13 17:48:07

tits I know nothing about PND but I am certain that you have just taken the hardest step. All of your anxieties will make sense to someone else on the group - there is nothing irrational about anything you say. I really hope that this step gives you the strength you need to get to the GP and get some support. You know we are always here for virtual hand holding.

More virtual hand holding for kyzordz and VQ. It would seem that our thankful group has had a melancholy day. It makes me think of a wee chat we had the other day when we were reflecting on why we all got on and why we were so supportive of each other when the rest of MN can be awful. I think it is because at the end of the day we all ooze being committed and fabulous mums. Being committed and fabulous is exhausting but there is no break. Because of that we will all have days where something has to break - we can't physical stop so we have to have an emotional break. A day where smiling and cooing through the crying or endlessly trying to entertain a frustrated an immobile infant just seems a stretch too far. We get through these days and come out the other side with noone worse for wear.

I think I know someone in real life who will be particularly thankful today. Yesterday the door been rang so DH answered it with P in his arms. I was upstairs and glanced out the window. I could see one of our neighbours standing in her bare feet in the middle of the cul de sac. She was holding on to her 18 month old - clutching him and burying her face in his. When I got downstairs DH was holding p looking pretty ashen. Apparently the door bell had been a man walking his dog who had seen the toddler out on the road. He went round ringing every door bell until his mum bolted out the door obviously just havig realised he was gone. We have no idea how he got out but the handles are low and easy to use. Certainly a lesson to us. It probably never entered her head he could get out.

ValiumQueen Thu 28-Feb-13 18:01:22

tits (((((hugs))))) and well done for taking the first step towards recovery.

Wise words pass I like 'committed and fabulous' very much, and will tell myself this.

I plan to have my hair cut next week, and look at my clothes situation. I think if I spend a bit more time on myself it will help me in a lot of ways.

tits Well done for recognising it and being brave enough to talk about it. You have been through an awful lot so it's not a huge surprise that you are finding things difficult. As someone who has struggled with depression myself I can tell you that the most important thing is to be open with your partner and family about it and keep talking. There is nothing worse than bottling it up so well done for taking this step. Whenever you need to offload about anything at all you know we are here thanks

I got a phone call this evening from the doctors surgery. They have had DS's test result back from the hospital. He has tested positive for reducing substances which means that he has a problem absorbing lactose from milk. The doctor has written a prescription for a different kind of milk which he has to take for a month. From what I understand it's only a temporary intolerance caused when the stomach lining is damaged through illness and once it has healed he should be ok to go back to his normal milk. I hope so anyway sad

kissyfur Thu 28-Feb-13 18:11:30

Sorry tits my last post sounded wrong, I know it's not all about how attractive you feel. I have suffered from depression too and think as others have said you have done the best thing you can by facing up to it and beginning to talk about it. You've been through a lot, be kind to yourself thankswinethanks

Sending love to VQ, Kyz and especially to Tits. I never knew until I became a Mum just how difficult it could be and the hard days are so draining. I was thinking this afternoon that even five minutes of baby screaming is enough to make your brain fizz.

Having been through MH difficulties in the past I know how hard it can be to see it in yourself and you have done a brilliant job to keep focus and understand yourself enough to be able to say that you need help Tits. That is such a strong thing to do. I hope you have RL support but we are always here day and night (great thing about new Mums with wakeful babies!) to listen or just chat. You are going to be ok but for now it's ok not to be and focus on starting to get the help that's out there. All the best xx thanks

YellowWellies Thu 28-Feb-13 18:38:22

Tits thanks thanks thanks thanks thanks

Pass 'committed and fabulous' I love that.

apple great to get a diagnosis - FC it clears quickly.

VQ I can heartily recommend a hairdressers trip to put a relaxed smile on your face - this from the lowest maintenance most slummy Mummy on the planet. OK two days later my hair was back in a bun but meh!!!

PetiteRaleuse Thu 28-Feb-13 18:48:20

Titsthanks and well done for working out what is wrong. I know you don't believe me right now but you are not weak or pathetic for suffering from PND.

PurplePidjin Thu 28-Feb-13 18:49:45

Tits depression isn't a sign of weakness, it's a sign you've been strong too long. I've been through ptsd, supported my best mate through pnd and dp is currently depressed from his loss of abilities. I cannot stress how wonderful modern medicine is, please trust your dr. If you want to offload to a stranger, I'm happy to do Gunwharf or Whiteley sometime thanks

I'm thankful for new friends and old, and a baby who naps in shopping centres!

MadamGazelleIsMyMum Thu 28-Feb-13 18:51:57

tits you are very brave. Hugs, thanks and virtual support. How do you feel now?

Sorry for my absenteeism generally, will catch up properly. On a little tour of friends and family with DS and DD while work being done at home. Reaping the rewards of 3 KIT days - an extra £300! So am going to do 3 in March and 3 in April before my mat leave ends which will really really help.

And as for sleep - DS finally passes out at around 1830, DD finally goes to bed reasonably willingly immediately after this, but the buggers have both been awake and ready to party at 5am. For the last 4 days. Grrr.

BigPigLittlePig Thu 28-Feb-13 19:03:16

I love this quiche <wipes tear> thanks to everyone for being freaking awesome mummies/wives/daughters/organisational whizkids/horse riders/pet owners/etc

Dp is coming out the other side of depression, and my mum had pnd after my brother was born - so a bit of experience; admitting things aren't right is a good first step.

pidj we had your chicken/lentil/veg slow-cooker yumness tonight, thumbs up from dh (this is praise indeed)

LO is grumpy as tonight, she hasn't napped at all, even after a 50 minute walk in the pram. Finally flaked out now after feeding forever and 2 poonamis new outfit, needed christening

PurplePidjin Thu 28-Feb-13 19:12:47

Glad he liked it, BPLP grin

horseylady Thu 28-Feb-13 19:13:35

tits depression and anxiety are shit. When you feel ready speak to someone in real life. Then take baby steps. As a past sufferer I never ever want that feeling again. It's awful. I feel for you.

vq hugs. I think hairdresser sounds good!! Just a small bit of you time will do you the world of good!! I have no idea wrt hmrc. They've changed my tax code. No idea why!! Am much confused!!

passomg with the toddler. Totally not the same but small curly (the one who's pic I took) kept escaping out the garden. I can't imagine the panic of your child sad we always lock our front door. But will make me triple check it!!

Going to sensory splash tomorrow!!! Went to yoga and the cinema today!!

YellowWellies Thu 28-Feb-13 19:34:52

Jonas did his first bath poo. Eeeewwww. envy Poor show as it was me bathing him as DH is working late to clear his desk for our few days away. He had the good grace not to whinge whilst I cleaned the bath and ran another....

ChunkyChicken Thu 28-Feb-13 20:54:56

Tits can't add anything to the wonderful comments above (literally - everything I was going to write is there already). Sending you more courage to keep going with the day-in day-out stuff & to continue the step by seeking further help.

VQ recommend hairdressers. My DM commented on my hair again today, saying it looked like I'd spent ages doing it as it was looking so good, I hadn't. All because of a trim.

pass great words, thank you. Had a tiny tear at the fear that poor woman must have felt. I always lock my door because DD has a habit of opening it for whomever knocks, so daren't risk it if I'm otherwise engaged.

stunt I will shop around, but after our wee holiday next week. I think my boobs are quite close at the front, so will have to get quite a 'sexy' style (I.e. can't have a wide 'gore'). How many women are actually wearing the wrong bra though??!!


ChunkyChicken Thu 28-Feb-13 20:56:10


Going to watch some more TWW now dcs are asleep. Might check in later, but if not, wishing you all a peaceful night & a bright spring-like morning.

kirrinIsland Thu 28-Feb-13 21:18:20

Hugs and flowers tits given the tough pregnancy you had its not surprising you are suffering now - its a well known trigger. Recognising it is the first step, and we are here for whatever you need us for. Try and see you GP though, as there is help available.

Hugs to kyzordz and VQ too.

Glad you've got a diagnosis apple Hopefully it'll heal soon and he'll be back to normal.

Yuck YW grin

horseylady Thu 28-Feb-13 21:27:09

Where's detective today?!

TheDetective Thu 28-Feb-13 21:32:51



Kyzordz Thu 28-Feb-13 21:34:28

Thankyou all, as usual. LO still being a pain with his bottles but we'll get through it. I have made him chuckle twice this afternoon, and they were the most wonderful sounds ever! It might be hard sometimes but he's so worth it. I keep chastising myself because he's an easy baby and I still 'can't cope' but clearly I can because he is 4 months old and healthy so I've done something right.

tits the first step is admitting it and you've been so brave and done so well. I have suffered with depression and it feels like there's no end to it but there is, and you're being very brave and you'll get there. Never forget we're all here because own problems or not, We're here for each other when we need support.

apple hope your ds will be ok soon

pass I too like committed and fabulous. Also scary stuff re: the toddler :O

yw we have had 3 bath poos to date. Many a bath wee, of course.

Mum has gone to hull to visit my sister, she won't be back until Sunday. I pray we survive that long without her as back up! I keep thinking over and over I can do it, I can do it, I can do it. Why did 'until' up there in the previous sentence keep changing to urinal? How odd.

ValiumQueen Thu 28-Feb-13 21:52:41

Thank you all thanks

DH has just entertained me and DS unintentionally. DS did a poo whilst wearing a disposable. DH was holding him at the time, and commented on the noise, wondering if it was a poo or a fluff.

Five minutes later, DS was getting restless, so he went to give him back to me. I asked him if he could change his bum and put him in his gro bag. DH grumpily obliged.

Cue horrified noises from DH. Poo everywhere, pooey clothes being thrown everywhere, requests for flannels and towels, me saying I am happy to take over at each comment. Then he put him in two vests instead of a vest and a sleep suit, then put the gro bag on back to front, then inside out. At this point DS could no longer see the funny side of it so I took over. Clearly I need to get him to do more.

Passmethecrisps Thu 28-Feb-13 21:53:20

I was wondering where detective was. What are you up to woman?

Tonight before bedtime p took, wait for it, 220ml! A-maze-ing! She drained a 150ml bottle in literally 5 minutes and was still sucking hard when it finished so I made her another 90ml. Weirdly, she fights the bottle when you try to give it to her but then takes loads. I would assume she wouldn't do all the tongue lapping stimulating the nipple stuff if she wasn't actually wanting it. So she took another 70ml. DH came in as she was pushing the second bottle away. He was all like "oh! That's a good amount!" He was V impressed that was bottle 2! I would be so chuffed if she would ditch the 60ml bottles

yw We have had a bath poo too.. While I was in the bath with him grin

I feel so bad going to work tomorrow when DS isn't well. Evil mummy. I thought he would be better long before now or I wouldn't have agreed to it. At least it's just one day at work then two days with him. Then I'm in again on Monday but that should be the last time for a few months. Hopefully now he's got his lactose free milk he will improve quickly.

Passmethecrisps Thu 28-Feb-13 22:00:35

Lol VQ! You obviously need him better trained!

I have a question about romper suits. A romper suit is a sleep suit without feet. Yes? So, Are they day wear or night wear? I ask because we have a couple of footless sleepsuits which are very pretty. I would like to show them off.

Passmethecrisps Thu 28-Feb-13 22:01:49

Oh yes. apple. Fingers crossed the formula does the job quickly.

TheDetective Thu 28-Feb-13 22:08:58

Sorry! Velcro baby keeping me damned busy, and a DP and DS1 making my life even bloody harder. Pair of gits!

Am tired, but this is the first me time I've had all day. I just want half an hour to not be holding a baby!

Interestingly, I've found out I might be able to get the Staydown SMA on prescription. Is it wrong that I am considering going and asking for it if we get to the end of the first tub and it's still working? Feels wrong, but then I pay too much tax and what not. confused

O was weighed today, and clearly I've been a paranoid mummy. He was 13lb 14, so far from me thinking he hadn't put any weight on, he's had a big old growth spurt. He's now just at the 50th centile.

Started him with cooled boiled water today, downside of the stay down lol is the constipation and extreme pooing faces. We had poo face competitions earlier! He's never been bunged up before. Any tips for the constipation? I know others have problems too.

I hope he gets over whatever this clingy business is about! As much as I love the fact I get instant smiles when picking him up, the fact I can't even have a shit is taking its toll!

I've only skim read, but just wanted to say, tits big hugs and snogs in a non lesbo way. PND is a fucker, it just happens. No rhyme or reason. Yes there are predisposing factors, but most of the time it just happens. You haven't done anything wrong, no one has. I'm glad you felt able to say how you feel. Have you talked to your DP?

I'm surprised that there hasn't been a higher incidence of it among us on here as it is so very common. So don't feel alone. Because you are not. Alright?! smile xxx

TheDetective Thu 28-Feb-13 22:11:24

MM probably too late now, but I've had both fiesta and corsa. For the pram, you need a fiesta. The corsa boot is shockingly small. Fiesta is much much bigger. I could get pram plus weeks shop in there! Corsa couldn't even fit the weeks shop alone!

YW Bad Jonas grin. Is it wrong I am laughing?!

Pass Daywear defo.

Passmethecrisps Thu 28-Feb-13 22:19:42

Awesome detective.

Also, I am something of a poospert now. Poo faces and massive red faces are not necessarily signs of constipation. P's poos have been solid plasticine type stuff. No fear of poosplosions here. Certainly never had a need to carry spare clothes. However, projecting onto her I imagine her poos are uncomfortable. Interestingly, doctors weren't bothered by her poo. Unless it was rabbit poo it is not a concern. Dietician was bothered and was fairly insistent we move off infant gaviscon.

To treat proper constipation we have given 1tb sp prune juice to 100ml cooled boiled water. If you can't get prune juice replace juice with brown sugar. 1oz per formula feed should get things moving within a few hours. I would avoid giving sugar in the evening though.

BigPigLittlePig Thu 28-Feb-13 22:23:11

Trying to compile a list of things needed for this weekend, as we're going up to my parents for 1 night. Who knew 1 small, teeny tiny baby, needed so much stuff??

Will be like trying to move a small army, I imagine.

No bath poos here yet - but suspect F will save that for the bath she'll be having at Nana & Gramps on Saturday hmm

TheDetective Thu 28-Feb-13 22:26:21

We've had rock hard green poos pass! Not sure if this is okay or not.

See, this is the time I feel guilty for not carrying on bf. If I had, then maybe he wouldn't be having a problem now.

Although it seems to have just randomly appeared, after he was quite fine with regular formula. I suppose the same could have happened no matter what way he was fed, as he was equally happy with boob or forumla at first.

Still, can't dwell on it now. What is done is done. Just got to find the right thing for him with what I can now.

Did the GP/HV suggest the prune juice?

BigPigLittlePig Thu 28-Feb-13 22:26:49

Oh yes, and managed to POAS - thank fuck goodness it was negative grin

TheDetective Thu 28-Feb-13 22:31:16

My bargain for the day.

Munchkin sterilising bags, you know the travel ones? Reduced from £4.99 to £2.99 in Asda. I got the last 2 boxes. Just what I needed for when we go away.

O loved the baby singing group we went to this afternoon. Eyes like saucers. Our weekly routine has changed now baby massage has ended! I've dumped DP from the baby groups. Prefer going alone so I can talk the hind leg off a donkey without DP getting in the way!. Swimming tomorrow. Ordered a neoprene wrap yesterday, am hoping it will arrive in the morning. Should keep him warmer and happier!

We've managed to lose a bottle somewhere in the house. It isn't a big house. It is tidy ish. So where the actual fuck has it got to?! confused

O's passport arrived today - for anyone getting theirs, I sent it on 15th Feb. Got a letter a week later saying I forgot to send birth certificate, I didn't forget, I just didn't see the tiny little bit in the booklet what said you have to send it! Anyway, despite this, it arrived today. Speedy!

TheDetective Thu 28-Feb-13 22:32:44

Me too BPLP! That was my thankful for the day!

Classy lady in the Asda baby changing room. I just wanted to check. Even though I had a period, it was lighter than normal. I like to be in the know if anything is attaching itself to my insides! The one attaching itself to my outsides is quite frankly enough right now!

Passmethecrisps Thu 28-Feb-13 22:35:32

It was the HV detective. The GP while awesome in many ways is only interested in rabbit poo type poo. Anything more liquidy than that and he doesn't see a problem. P's start as a solid lump which we have to move to allow her to shift the softer stuff behind it. Once the plug is shifted and she is on her back she goes ok.

I only use the juice/sugar solution when either she misses a day which causes her real distress o she does actually get rabbit poo.

One Gp I saw reassured me that every single day they have a different need. Some days they will use more fluid than others which explains sudden constipation. You have just changed formula and it can take over a week to get sorted. It might be that you just always have some water one the go and offer a wee touch at the start of every feed.

kissyfur Thu 28-Feb-13 22:37:01

Having a rubbish night here. LO had a nice long feed at 7 then vommed it all back up about 15 mins later. At about 8:15 I got her ready for bed and started feeding, took a while but she was just drifting off at about 9, at which point an alarm goes off at a building across the road and wakes her up confused so i try again, but no sleeping, DP took over at about 9.45, she still wouldn't sleep. I'm now feeding again, hoping she will sleep soon as boobs feel completely empty! She's hardly slept today! Gah!

We've had a poo in the bath here too, when she was in with me and DD1!

horseylady Thu 28-Feb-13 22:38:57

detective I was wondering if the straining was causing the nosebleeds here!! The green poo could be change in formula or the onset of a cold/infection. That's when he gets them.slso his reflux occurred like os did. Just one of those things!! It can peak around 14 weeks.

So pass do you add prune juice into each feed then?! Are they less oxo cube like?!

vq we've had some very interesting outfit choices if I've not left an outfit ready!! Generally sleep suits under something.....

pass i use romper suits to sleep in and my spare clothes when out. By the time he's got up in a morning all legs are usually not in sleep suit anyway so I don't worry about legs!!

TheDetective Thu 28-Feb-13 22:41:07

Oh bugger, I offered the water in between feeds, this morning and this afternoon!

kissy similar night here too, but not as bad as yours as he did eventually go down at 9.30ish. But the night times are all going to pot at the minute. The bedtime routine has gone out the window as he is being completely unpredictable! I've given up!

TheDetective Thu 28-Feb-13 22:44:16

Horsey weird isn't it! Odd these babies! Is E worse when upright? That is the bit I found hardest to get my head around!! It goes against everything I thought I knew with reflux! He is 14 weeks tomorrow. Fucksticks!

VQ DP is the same useless!!, even though he does plenty of changes. He's a bugger for leaving bits of shit in creases and me finding it as I'm undressing him at the GP or HV FFS!

horseylady Thu 28-Feb-13 22:44:32

I use water between feeds too. Saying that in17 weeks I've done that 5 times.....so about once a month!!

horseylady Thu 28-Feb-13 22:47:27

Yes horrendous just vommed everywhere which is why I questioned it I guess?! He's been much happier since being on gaviscon, but he's always been fairly cheery. Now he only cries if hungry.

I think they call them happy chuckers or something? Anyway, he's being treated, it's working!!!! That's all that matters!! We still have some vom but soooooo much less. And it doesn't smell vile.

Passmethecrisps Thu 28-Feb-13 22:50:21

Prune juice in water before a feed only when rabbit pooing. An oz or so before each milk feed for a day got it shifted.

P's poos are still oxo cubey. No poo today though but two lovely soft yellow ones yesterday. We are on day 3 of carobel

Passmethecrisps Thu 28-Feb-13 22:51:17

Happy chuckers and skinny screamers. 2 broad reflux types.

TheDetective Thu 28-Feb-13 23:00:43

I think I have a happy chucker then!!

TheDetective Thu 28-Feb-13 23:01:44

Power to the little people!

If you saw my email rant to Tommee Tippee... they haven't bothered to email me back.


They have changed the motherfuckin' page yeaaaaah!

YellowWellies Thu 28-Feb-13 23:09:31

Detective epic result! Well done you - big hugs and congratulatory non-lesbo smooches to you! Rather petty of them not to acknowledge your point though.

YellowWellies Thu 28-Feb-13 23:12:16

If you have a happy chucker then you can pretty much guarantee LO's reflux isn't related to a cows milk allergy as without eliminating dairy they get a lot of pain from tummy spasms as well as the acid burn.

MissMummy1 Thu 28-Feb-13 23:20:30

Tits I am so sorry you are feeling this way. Well done you for admitting it. The hardest part so I've been told. I can only mirror what everyone else has already said. Hugs to you lovely thanks thanks thanks thanks

Detective I chose the fiesta. It is brand brand new (25 miles on the clock when I picked it up!) and lovely! Unfortunately it's too small for our needs to have as the main family car but I'm negotiating with DP buying me one and he can buy/finish his sodding landrover defender and getting himself an older bigger car with the remainder of the car loan. We shall see! I will be gutted when I have to hand this one back blush .

I almost cried in a restaurant tonight sad . The old chairman of my old sailing club and his wife were in. I haven't seen them for 10+ years and didnt know them very well personally. He was clearly v ill and frail. Parkinsons? Long story short he had a suspected stroke tonight and was taken away in an ambulance. He was such a fit man last time I saw him, definitely didnt look like he was in his 60s/70s at the time. I am so sorry for his poor poor wife. They are a lovely old couple. I often raced with their son. sad Put everything into perspective tonight and reminded me how old and frail my own gran has become and to let her spend as much time as m while she is still here. sad Feeling a bit weepy about it all this evening.

Sleep dust to everyone! My sailor man is home for the week so I'm taking advantage and going to bed without M for a while.

rootypig Thu 28-Feb-13 23:32:32

tits I know I don't know you, but big hugs. you sound anything but weak. be kind to yourself.

detective we have a babybjorn bouncer that we call the poo chair! it makes DD produce heeyooooge poops. compression tactics I suppose grin. also massaging her feet helps (no lie!)

kissyfur Thu 28-Feb-13 23:49:43

Still no sleep. LO currently laughing on her playmat as I brought her downstairs in the end. How can she go so long without sleeping?!?

sweetpea1112 Thu 28-Feb-13 23:51:13

First feed of the night already - I'm starting to lose hope that he will ever sleep longer than 4 hours, I am so so tired. This is his longest stint of the night too, history tells me that I will be lucky to get another 3 hour block tonight.

Really thought he would be better at this by now sad

TheDetective Fri 01-Mar-13 00:05:56

Sweetpea same here angry blush. He fed at 6.15, then 8.20, finally got him to sleep at 9.30 but he woke at 11.30 screaming blue murder. We were in the middle of doing the bottles so we didn't have one ready. He had to scream for 20 minutes while I got frostbite desperately trying to cool a bottle to fridge temp. It didn't work so now he is fighting with a bottle full of lumps. Ffs.

sweetpea1112 Fri 01-Mar-13 00:10:06

It all started to go wrong at 12 weeks - pinning my hopes on some kind of growth spurt/wonder weeks style regression.

Back in cot now so off to try and get a bit of sleep. Fingers crossed you get some decent sleep Detective from one Oscar mother to another grin

StuntNun Fri 01-Mar-13 00:12:07

Midnight? Unbelievable, he didn't even manage four hours for his longest sleep of the night. Humph I'm too tired for this.

kirrinIsland Fri 01-Mar-13 00:28:17

Feeling your pain guys sad

N fell asleep at half ten, which is really good for her, and is awake for her first feed already. I used to moan at the mere four hour stretches - now I dream of them! I'm hoping this is a late 12 week growth spurt.

Hope you're all too busy sleeping to read this smile

TheDetective Fri 01-Mar-13 00:29:52

Arghhhhhh. I've just syringe fed him with a 1ml syringe, cup fed him, given up on both and now giving him a carton of cow & gate out of desperation. I'll take the vomiting over up all night.

Except he's choking on the fucking milk because the thicker milk needed the size 3 teats but he's screaming at them now hes having the c&g. Size 2 now in steriliser.

Nervous breakdown here.

DP in doghouse for not doing bottles WHEN I FUCKING ASKED angry.

TheDetective Fri 01-Mar-13 00:31:17

Twatting men. Twatting milk. Twatting twatty twatter.


TheDetective Fri 01-Mar-13 00:50:19

Well he took 3 oz of the gloop autocorrect fail changed gloop to floppy!! and 1oz of the carton and he now appears to be asleep after being wide awake 10 mins ago and flashing his most winning smiles at me knows he was pushing his luck!!. <sniff> Good job I lost the receipt for him!

Exciting news for DS1 in the morning. Got the secondary allocation email just after midnight. He got in our 1st choice school! Yay!

Lilliana Fri 01-Mar-13 01:30:41

Gah we're up for first feed too after going to sleep at 10. No chance of another 5 hour stretch then.

Detective well done with tt although can't believe they didn't have the courtesy to email you and yay fir school choices.

No bath poo here yet but L is prob storing it up for when i bath her as it is usually dh's job.

Know there was more i wanted to say but brain is fried and stupid phone won't let me look back at what has been said.

Oh well prob see you again in a couple hours sad

sweetpea1112 Fri 01-Mar-13 02:53:56

Nightmare Detective but yay for school success!

Up for second sodding feed now. 2.5 hours, but been awake at least half an hour listening to him stir.

What is wrong with him? At my wits end now. I would say 'This too shall pass' but I genuinely don't know if it will sad

Sorry to everybody else having crap nights. Something in the air tonight.

StuntNun Fri 01-Mar-13 03:35:35

And he's feeding again after another three hours so DM will be on at me to start weaning. He's 15 weeks though, is this an unscheduled growth spurt?

rootypig Fri 01-Mar-13 03:49:23

pea I feel your pain, my LO the same, all went pearshaped at 11 weeks, down to two hour wakings from doing nearly all night stretches can't bear to think about it, she has gradually crept back up to fairly consistent four hour stretches, but now 17 weeks so not much to shout about, she is four months tomorrow so am shitting myself for this famous regression and worry her sleep will be crap forever

<staggers back to bed>

rootypig Fri 01-Mar-13 03:52:10

oh wait Detective fab news on the school! yay for happy morning with DS1! hope you get to enjoy his excitement. and there would be lots of angry in my house over bottle fuckwittery too, wonder wtf is wrong with blokes quite a lot of the time, why can't they just bloody do what they're told

kirrinIsland Fri 01-Mar-13 04:40:21

Nearly 15 weeks here as well stunt We appear to have gone back to waking up whenever she's put in the cot as well. I'm just about to try for the third time. Only a bottle fixes this but I just cant express enough to give a bottle every night.

Yay for school decision detective smile

Lilliana Fri 01-Mar-13 04:45:36

Here we are again 2.5 hours later. On the up side she has been in her cot rather than sleeping on me, onthe downside she seems to sleep better on me.

I share your pain rooty, stunt and sweet. She slept better than this at 5 weeks sad at 8 weeks she started waking all the time; too long now to blame a growth spurt and no sign of much improvement.

Being positive it gives me time to catch up with mn grin

Kyzordz Fri 01-Mar-13 06:13:21

I'm awake, LO isn't. Wonder when he'll put in an appearance! Sorry to those who have had crap nights sad

Can't believe it's march already, madness!

Howcome you had to do syringe feeding etc detective? Was o being difficult?

kissyfur Fri 01-Mar-13 06:44:45

Finally got her to sleep at a quarter to 1! 15 weeks here too so maybe it's their age?! Hoping she'll go back to sleep.

Hoping the rest of you get some more sleep too

nillynoon Fri 01-Mar-13 06:46:05

First half decent sleep for a week - definitely having a 15 week growth spurt/wonder week fussiness going on here the past wee while!

sweetpea1112 Fri 01-Mar-13 07:00:14

What an awful night sad. And DP has now told me that I can't look after him when I'm tired so he has to look after him at night's now hmm

Well today is a new day, let's hope it is a good one for all smile

ChunkyChicken Fri 01-Mar-13 07:00:41

Had a whinge to DH at about 4.30 this morning because 'DS is wanting feeding every 3hrs' & he kept spitting his dummy out etc etc However, the first feed was 4.5hrs & this feed is 5.5hrs ish blush Even more blush given some of your nights... I'm so tired though. I fell asleep feeding A & woke up over 2hrs after I started to feed him having forgotten he was there.shock It could have been disastrous sad

Hope those that had bad nights have better days today...

StuntNun Fri 01-Mar-13 07:13:18

I must say I'm relieved that the 15-week madness isn't just us. I don't think the wonder weeks have applied here, J's periods of fussiness and wakefulness have been completely different. J is messing about in the boob: sticking his thumb in his mouth, popping off and talking to me; staring in fascination at the pattern on my dressing gown. Now my dressing gown's pretty awesome but surely not that worthy of detailed examination? These are not the actions of a starving child. So why such frequent night feeds?

The HV is coming today so I'll be able to get the wee tub of lard baby weighed. I need to ask her about the problem they found with my blood after J's birth which will no doubt confuse her. But the hospital were supposed to send me a card to carry in case I ever need a blood transfusion so it sounds quite important.

Right must go change his bum again. He had five dirty nappies by 11 o'clock yesterday! I don't know how he does it.

Pikz Fri 01-Mar-13 07:30:29

Yay for mini detective and school!

LO has been up, had breakfast and is now back asleep in bed. I too am off back to bed as he fed at 4 and then wanted to get up at 6!

Pikz Fri 01-Mar-13 07:31:28

Stunt we have had 12,13 and going into 14 week madness. Feels likes growth spurt each week for like 2 days.

CandyPop Fri 01-Mar-13 08:03:37

Morning ladies ! Can I rejoin?? Haven't been on for ages but had still been keeping up with our Facebook group. When I read the title of this thread I thought thank god it's not just me. Bubba had been sleeping T least one 8 hr stint for weeks but suddenly she's waking every 3-4 hrs during the night for a feed!! Why??? !!!

Gonn go catch up on this thread now... Wonder how many I've missed .?! Are you ladies still as chatty as ever??! :D

Evilwater Fri 01-Mar-13 08:07:28

Morning all. Great news.
N selpt from 6, til 730. He woke at 8 when I put home to bed, then wide awake at 1130 til 130 and was asleep again. smile

He was a bugger at the will place as he just cried, and whinged. envy


horseylady Fri 01-Mar-13 08:07:29

They can pretty much have fussiness at any time according to the ww!!?? The stormy period according to them is 15 to 19 weeks peaking at 17 weeks. I think. Not got the book on me!!

Sorry to those of you who had bad nights. We had three wakings which is better than the hourly we had the night before!!

Off swimming after doing the horses then need to get ready for my course tomorrow. 12 hours away sad

horseylady Fri 01-Mar-13 08:07:45

From my boy that should end!!

CandyPop Fri 01-Mar-13 08:19:25

I was wondering whether she was getting enough from the last feed as she's still being breastfed. Considering to to u with formula with the feed. Anyone doing that?

CandyPop Fri 01-Mar-13 08:21:24

Top up*

StuntNun Fri 01-Mar-13 08:23:49

It's probably just a growth spurt Candy so you'll have more frequent feedings regardless of whether you bf, ff or combined feed.

ValiumQueen Fri 01-Mar-13 08:50:36

candy welcome back. I have been giving J a bottle most days for the past week. He did do his first 8 hour stretch but has not repeated it and is waking 3 hourly currently. We have had a chat on the board and ff does not mean better sleep. J is 18 weeks old and has done 1 x 8 hours, and 3 x 5 hours in his entire life. I am tired. He will get there though.

TheDetective Fri 01-Mar-13 08:55:31

Thanks ladies. Unfortunately I didn't even get to speak to DC1 this morning!!!! Fucking shitter of a night, can't even go in to it. Both me and DP tearing hairs out and having our own tantrums!! DP took DS to school as I think I slept 7-8.30 and that is it. hmm

We've got smiles and normal poo this morning.

Feel less alone knowing it isn't just us that had a sleeper who decided sleep is for wimps! And if sleep is to be achieved it has to be on a human bed.

kyz the water wasn't cold enough when the powder was added so it was too thick to get through the teat. I resorted to the syringe as the only way I could get his feed in!!

sweetpea1112 Fri 01-Mar-13 09:20:18

Some really shitty nights last night. brew all round.

I think part of O's problem is that he only poos once every two days, so the night of the Day of No Poo he seems quite uncomfortable and wriggly. No idea how to change this though and hoping it is just a phase.

TheDetective Fri 01-Mar-13 09:48:44

I have to admit I was tempted to put him in the car and drive him round last night. Also at one point I was eyeing up the swing. But I won't let him win! It's nightime not play time!!

This better fucking pass!!!

ValiumQueen Fri 01-Mar-13 09:49:29

DS poos constantly. The girls were the same. Gallons of the stuff. Rather that than constipation. That must be horrid for all concerned.

The vest DH put on boy last night was a long sleeve one that he has been too big for for some time now. It looked like body paint and was a bugger to get off.

I have started cutting up favourite outfits of the kids ready for memory quilt. Sad but very therapeutic.

Pikz Fri 01-Mar-13 09:52:38

eBay for this boy today....

StuntNun Fri 01-Mar-13 09:59:53

Oh dear Pikz what did he do?

CandyPop Fri 01-Mar-13 10:03:23

Aww vq still no luck with sleep? He is a stubborn one but at some point they will give in, hopefully we don't have to wait until they're teenagers before they love sleep!! Ooh and the vest changer poos! I live on edge now, bubba poos have changed from pooing several times a day to one every 1-2 days. When it comes, oh boy is it messy!!

Lilliana Fri 01-Mar-13 10:09:32

Chunky I fell asleep with L feeding last night too blush woke up an hour later and tried to feed her again as didn't realise until I looked at the clock blush blush

Detective sorry to hear you had such a bad night. Hope you don't have too much on today

We've had madness since 8 weeks - she is now 13 weeks! Don't think I can blame the growth spurts, this is normal sad

Hi Candy, you were due the same day as me iirc. Hope the 3/4 hours is a blip for you and you are back to normal soon.

Horsey it's going to get worse??!!

CandyPop Fri 01-Mar-13 10:12:18

Yes liliana we did have the same due date! However LO was early by a week and a half smile

TheDetective Fri 01-Mar-13 10:12:42

DP just put O in the cot but the cot mobile fell off and clonked him on the head. Don't think we will be getting him back in there any time soon!

Blue murder was screamed.

It's going to be a long day. I will crack the enigma tonight. I will. I have a plan. O is not being told of said plan!!!

5 months old today and already in 6-9 month vests and baby grows! Can't believe we managed to get the girls to 5 months in one piece. DP and I feel quite proud that we have done it alone, just the two of us!

Pikz Fri 01-Mar-13 10:26:49

Stunt he has been up since 6 with one 30min nap. He is a whingey Velcro poonami boy. I can't even put a nappy in bin without a meltdown.

StuntNun Fri 01-Mar-13 10:32:42

eBay it is then Pikz!

Detective my DM was complaining about me using my phone near J in case it gives him brain damage. Little does she know that I have managed to drop it in his head twice while feeding him. blush

Lilliana Fri 01-Mar-13 10:35:12

Candy L was 2 weeks late!

Pikz I have a velcro baby today too. Think it is going to be a long day.

Sounds exciting detective are you able to whisper said plan? hope it works.

Jabs have been put on hold until L has get the ok from consultant, at least I don't have to worry about them messing up our sleep further for a few weeks.

MadamGazelleIsMyMum Fri 01-Mar-13 10:37:35

DS is 17 weeks today and I cannot believe where the time has gone either garden

Another crap night last night. DS woke at 1am, put him down at 3am only for him to wake up and need more rocking to sleep until 3.30am! Had we been at home I might have considered letting him just grizzle back to sleep, but we are visiting family and I didn't want DD to wake. But she woke anyway at fucking 5am and that was it.

Off to see childless friends today who are TTC and have been for 4 years and who I have promised some adult time to after kids asleep. Will have to stifle my yawner,

StuntNun Fri 01-Mar-13 10:39:27

Holy sh1t! I put J in his cot for his nap just now since he started rolling a couple of days ago. Cue dummy popping out, scrabbing at himself with his nails, and generally not going to sleep. Anyway I just turned him on to his side because he usually feeds to sleep in bed with me and he's out like a light. He isn't all the way over on his side just canted up a bit with his head turned to the side. Me so stoopid, why didn't I think of this sooner? DS2 slept on his side from day 1. He's drifted off now and rolled back on to his back with his head still turned to the side. Quick I'm off to get a cup of tea and hide the matches before the HV arrives.

StuntNun Fri 01-Mar-13 10:41:18

My HV isn't a pyromaniac or anything by the way, I just thought it wasn't advisable to advertise that they are sometimes left in reach of the children cos DH is a careless idiot who thinks bad things don't happen to him.

ChunkyChicken Fri 01-Mar-13 10:45:35

DS turns himself on to his side to go to sleep stunt. I figure, as he does it, I won't bother turning him back. It usually means he's ready to sleep.

Have received info about the school reorganisation from the meeting on Wed. My job is safe, shouldn't affect my dept (other than increase our teaching allocation) but there are pastoral manager roles (only 15% teaching in a F/T role). I'm idly wondering whether I should look into this. I don't want to do f/t but equally it might give me options for later on... hmm