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December 2012 - the fourth trimester is nearly over

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MaMaPo Thu 21-Feb-13 02:29:08

smile

PurplePidjin Thu 21-Feb-13 02:48:16

brew

IsThatTrue Thu 21-Feb-13 03:00:12

2nd wake up. <yawn> gosh this boy can eat!

Thanks for the new thread mama

utopian99 Thu 21-Feb-13 03:28:25

Thanks mama; hope it went well cookies?

spotty O has been funny about bottles ever since we started trying. Had the medela calma teat on recommendation but he got nowhere and dh very sceptical as he had to suck so hard and my let down is a bit more 'vigorous', so now on avent teats size 2; getting somewhere but still not fast/easy. Have 4 weddings starting in June so want him to take a bottle/be starting weaning by then. (vain and terrible mummy wants to be able to wear nice i.e. Non-bfing dresses again.)

Our day did improve thankfully! O had a perky early lunch and big feed and then slept sweetly on me the whole way through my meeting (v understanding client!), so got everything we needed to discuss done. May have a new job coming my way on recommendation!
Then coffee and cake with nct girls and back home to see a happy and cuddly dh (cuddles all round grin ) and inspect a foldy bike for him for London.

honey we're planning on trying for no 2 starting from July. Ulp!

Thanks mama.

I know it freezes I have a small stash but there's nearly a whole bottle from last night that needs chucking sad he used to take a bottle fine. I wouldn't mind if he actually ever slept more than three hours I'm exhausted!

We're not doing anything for the next few days, poor dd's going to be stuck indoors but I've already used £30 of petrol this week and now the lights on again!

EggsMichelle Thu 21-Feb-13 04:29:13

Thanks mama

Spotty we are also down to rubbing pennies together in the hope it makes more, however I have found £4 in the last week during dog walks, hoping I can make it into a proper earner!

We are up (grrr) F has got a very dry cough still which isn't bothering him too much but has woken him up, plus the poosplotions that could not be contained in the size 3 nappy!

spotty I hate it when my lovingly expressed milk gets wasted including being sicked up it's heartbreaking! After having one too many wine a few weeks back I had to pump and dump and felt like crying as I poured five ounces down the sink!

I'm up for the first time tonight with DS who so far has slept beautifully next door in his cot. Wow the baby monitors are sensitive! I heard all his little pre wake up squeaks and snuffles. Just hope he goes down again ...

IsThatTrue Thu 21-Feb-13 04:46:18

3rd wake up, poor piggy boy looks so tired yet very hungry!

I'm not convinced I've finished having babies but ill wait until ds2 is at school to decide, thankfully at 25 I have time on my side at least.

EggsMichelle Thu 21-Feb-13 04:50:58

We have agreed to think about number 2 next January, I'm only just 27 so no rush, but would like them close together. Always thought I would like 3 DCs, but think two might be my limit, they are very time consuming!!!

I would happily start trying again in the summer but realistically it's more sensible to wait a bit longer.

Ugh I've got a cold coming on. I really hope D doesn't catch it

Dp mentioned another one in ten years so I haven't lost all hope yet!

I might get dp to try again with a bottle in the day at the weekend I suppose you would prefer a nice warm boob in the middle of the night?!

halesball Thu 21-Feb-13 06:38:20

Thank you Mama.

I'm still planning on having no more after previously thinking i'd like at least 3. But i am softening slightly. Its gone from a definite no more to lets see what the future holds. H was a surprise baby.

DP has asked me to get my mum to babysit this saturday so he can take me out. We both agreed whilst pregnant that we would go out once a month for date night so that we knew we were always making time for our relationship. My dilemma is, do i ask my mum to have H for a couple of hours or the whole night?? I completely trust my mum and she has stayed at my house loads since H was born to help out. Really bot sure which option is best

Just had to delete kisses at the end of my post again!

Hales only you can decide that! I personally wouldn't want ds away all night yet but there's nothing wrong with wanting a night to yourselves smile

WLmum Thu 21-Feb-13 07:32:06

Goodness you youthfull things! I'll be 37 next month - I'm the grandma of the thread!

Well done little o.

I'm afraid dd2 would never take a bottle no matter what teat/ who gave it/ebm etc. Not until I stopped bfing. As you say spotty - hard plastic teat or soft warm boob? Good luck!

T has been super good and went down at about 8.45, fed at 2.15 then again just now at 7.15! That I can handle! Shhh don't jinx it!

envy WL he's taken a bottle fine before so we will try again. We also wondered if it was a bit cold. Dp is fretting over it but I'm not too worried grin they can have a cup from four months anyway!

halesball Thu 21-Feb-13 07:43:15

I don't really want to leave her overnight, but also don't want to bring her out in the cold. I suppose i'll just go with what feels right on saturday.

I have just been the toilet and came back into my dark bedroom and jumped into bed when i turned around my niece was stood beside my bed. She had come in without making a noise. Its fair to say i shit myself (and nearly punched her in her face till i realised) shock haha

Equimum Thu 21-Feb-13 07:45:37

F will only consider taking bottle when he is absolutely certain I'm not there and daddy isn't going to come and get me. I have no chance!

Gosh, everyone's thinking of second babies already! DH and I really want another but are thinking of a bigger age gap...perhaps 3 years. Time is not really on our side but I would still be under 35. Is anyone else thinking of a bigger gap?

Not a bad night here but DS seems really wheezy and choky on his back, so slept on me for most of night. Off to clinic this morning to get him weighed, then going to see some colleagues this afternoon.

FriendofDorothy Thu 21-Feb-13 08:12:38

WLmum I am 37 too.

Which is why we are thinking about trying again straight away for number 2. It took me nearly 2 years to get pregnant with Edward and I don't want to waste time!

Barbeasty Thu 21-Feb-13 08:14:46

Hales could your mum stay at yours and babysit? Then there's no taking little one into to cold to get home, and your mum can go to bed whenever she wants too.

There's no way we're trying for another. DH doesn't want another, and I definitely can't go through birth again. Strangely I found it much, much worse this time, even though it was 30 hours quicker with no surgical intervention and only a 2nd degree tear.

I flicked through the tv last week and had to turn it off OBEM. I just couldn't watch it. Guess I was pretty traumatised this time round.

ISpyPlumPie Thu 21-Feb-13 08:22:35

Thanks for the thread Mama.

There's three years between my two and so far it seems like a good gap - DS1 is more 'independent' in certain respects (toilet trained, can occupy himself for very short periods etc) and also at pre-school two days a week so I still have some one-to-one time with N. There hasn't been any real jealosy so far, and they already seem to have a bond - DS1 is always v concerned if N is upset, and N grins at DS1 and reaches out to him as soon as he sees him. I'm just hoping that it's not too big a gap when they are older.

All the plans for the next DC are really exciting. I'm another who doesn't feel 'done' yet, but DH is increasingly of the view that two is enough. Not sure what will happen yet, but like you WL I'm trying to take in every moment in case this is the last time I do this. How have you found going from two to three?

ISpyPlumPie Thu 21-Feb-13 08:29:00

Excuse spelling in previous post - combination of fat fingers and exhaustion!

MaMaPo Thu 21-Feb-13 08:45:27

I think we will start trying for number 2 early next year as well. I'm 34 so don't have oodles of time, and although we conceived baby C as soon as we started TTC, I don't want to be complacent.

Back to our old routine last night - bottle of EBMat 11.30, then up at 2.30 and 5.30. It's not terrible but we used to be able to go longer. I feel this child's sleep goes nowhere but backwards.

Barbeasty - sounds like you had a really tough time.

Chloe55 Thu 21-Feb-13 09:16:30

Dd is def my last, I honestly don't think my body could carry another baby as the SPD was so bad towards the end I was confined to a wheelchair more or less sad and to be fair, after 6 years of TTC no2, 3 mcs and fertility treatment I just wouldnt put myself or my family through it again, as dh keeps saying 'I'm happy with my lot' (he watched too much Sopranos) grin

Your day yesterday sounds crap Utopian hope it improves today-my phone screen is also well and truly smashed but will stay that way til august when I'm due an upgrade! Thankfully it just about still works.

spotty - has your lo still got green poo?

2 pretty good nights sleep here (perhaps it has something to do with dh sleeping on the sofa as he has the lurgy) but dd has got back her long first stint (6hrs shock ) and then goes 3hourly, long may it last smile

EggsMichelle Thu 21-Feb-13 09:28:43

Mamapo last week we were doing 6-7.5hr stretches, then had 3 terrible nights, but last night we were back to 4hr stretch, 2 feeds with one taking 2hrs

Having a lazy morning, going shopping and family visiting this afternoon, and since I don't have to take DH to work until 12, I'm enjoying sofa cuddles!

Chloe, no not green anymore.

Today is usually my housework day but dd isn't at MIL's today so don't see how I will get anything done with two of them. Toddlers are so messy!

pmgkt Thu 21-Feb-13 09:53:28

I'm am definate that this is our last. Including the step kids we now have 4 children and have run out of bedrooms, plus dh is having the snip next week so that's kind of final!

halesball Thu 21-Feb-13 11:29:11

I'm quitting breastfeeding i've had enough just had to book an emergency appointment at my GP. I've had pain in my right breast all morning which is increasing all the time. I need something to take the pain awayhmm.

brooke89 Thu 21-Feb-13 11:50:27

Hales we've done the same and dd has stayed over at parents twice already all night. All we do is look at pictures of her but it is amazing to have a proper sleep that night!

Oh Hales I'm sorry sad only give up of you're really sure, I read on here somewhere to never give up on a bad day but I totally understand it must be awful being in pain and you've done really well to get this far ((hugs))

hales just remember a baby needs a happy mum so you have to do what's right for you. A fed baby is a happy baby no matter how the milk gets there! ((Hugs))

Secondsop Thu 21-Feb-13 12:17:46

hales - hope the GP gives you something to help with the pain. If you decide to give up, just remember you've done brilliantly to make it this far.

waves at the other 37 year olds I'm one also.
We'd like to start trying pretty soonish. I had one period a few weeks after birth but the second one hasn't materialised yet - hope they regulate soon. It took me longer than I wanted to have little Z; i had my mirena out the month after my wedding and it took my periods took 2 years to regulate. Once they did, within 3 months I was pregnant but miscarried. Then 4 months later I was pregnant with Z.

Hales you have to look after y0ourself. A stressed out mummy is no good at all and will affect your milk anyway. Have a chat with your GP and whatever you decide your DC will be fine.

Spotty give DD a duster and set her to work wink. I've got to do the big shop, meh!

I'm 29, but DP is massively broody again! We watched OBEM last night and he asked if we could start trying again although that may be a sneaky way to get me to have sex with him grin Think we're going to start TTC early next year. Speaking of which we've only had sex once since J was born - 6.5 weeks of lochia, 5 days off and then a 13 day period just ending now, but I feel like I've got morning sickness. Hope it's just a bug as I am on the pill. I'm waaay too scared to POAS! Imagine, 2 in 11 months shock

WillYou she's fallen asleep under the table hmmgrin

Dp and I still haven't had sex. I was thinking about it then I got my period still angry about that.

I know someone with eleven months between theirs. Their first was an ivf baby so they didn't think they could conceive naturally smile

FriendofDorothy Thu 21-Feb-13 12:59:42

I saw a midwife I know and she told me that they have just received a referral for someone who had a baby about the same time as Edward. She is 8 weeks pregnant already. Dear God that's quicker than quick!

Imagine going into work and telling them you had a second baby due before your 1st lot of mat leave ended. I'm too chicken for that!

FriendofDorothy Thu 21-Feb-13 13:03:13

Oh, I hope to be pregnant by the time I go back to work.

shock I would be a bit sad I think. My friend had a small age gap and she said she never felt dc2 really kicking as she was so busy concentrating on dc1

This would be a second 1 born before going back though FOD as I'm having the year off. My work's a really small business and they'/re struggling so this would cripple them. What age gap are you aiming for?

*FOD bet they were on that thread about hearing people have sex on the labour ward! DP's cousin has just had her 2nd in 10 months, 3rd in 25 months! DC4 and she's 21, no idea how she copes!

Does anyone know what the rules are for if you need to take mat leave again quite quickly? Do you have to be back for a set time before you can be off again?

I don't think you do Honey, see here

annelid Thu 21-Feb-13 13:30:42

wow, lots of us 37 year olds then!!

I hardly post but have been reading everything! W slept through the night last night for the first time, (nearly 8 weeks), it was lovely. Long may it continue.

FriendofDorothy Thu 21-Feb-13 13:37:04

I go back to work in June. Hope to be pregnant by May, but who knows if we will have problems conceiving this time. Would like a 14 month gap between them but Edward is so wonderful I feel slightly disloyal thinking about another ome!

All this is making me want to start trying again sooner! Wgen I started talking about it last night DH said he thought I was going to say end of the month rather than end of the year! It's a lot to think about as we'd prob need to move if we have another and I need to complete my phd at done point in order to have some decent career prospects. But my bro and sid have just under 2 years between them and have always been closer than I was with either (I'm 7 younger than sister and 5 younger than brother) so want to keep the gap small if I can.

I want to win the lottery and it would take a lot of the issues away!

That's very specific FoD grin it will be lovely them growing up so close in she they will be best friends smile

Don't think so honey it's only if you start a new job.

I'm going to leave my job at the end of maternity leave looking forward to hopefully getting a proper job grin

Stacks Thu 21-Feb-13 13:53:03

Morning everyone. T was well behaved on our drive, slept 2.5hrs when we woke him for lunch and nappy change, then slept the lat 3 hours. Slept well last night in the travel cot too, 10-2:30 then 3-7! I fed him back to sleep then til 9:30 smile

I've got a cough, started coughing up phlegm yesterday. Really hoping T doesn't get it. Off to pharmacy today to see if I can get something I can take while feeding. Means I can't go meet my nephew though. Don't want to risk making a newborn ill.

That sounds like a nice gap FOD. I know it works for some but DP and his brother are 4 years apart and they didn't get on at all until they were adults. My young cousins are the same, the eldest got used to being spoiled as an only child and when his sister came along he was really jealous. There's 2y 2m 2d between my sister and I and we've always been really close although I apparently threw an almighty tantrum when they brought her home

I would be looking to go back in Jan and start trying again in Mayish. I am not risking another Christmas due date! Doing the Christmas food shop 5 days after giving birth was hell on earth! grin

If I win I'll cut you in if you do the same Honey! I'd have 4 DC then! What's your PhD in? I have one in Biochemistry, I have a good job but it's a huge commute (40 miles ew down the hellish M6), which will mean that I will be out of the house long hours. When I go back I'm going to ask for 4 days, 1 from home.

We've got the cough too Stacks hope you feel better soon. J has been throwing up phlegm since Sunday. I had no idea so much gunk could come out of such a tiny person, and why does it always land in my hair?

Phd is in children's literature so ideal job would be lecturing a couple of days a week and working on research the rest of the time I can dream
Def up for that deal willyou - as much as euromillions would be nice, I'm not greedy and about 5 million off the national lotto would be wonderful. And would be more than willing to share! is it bad that I am planning my future with the main goal of winning the lottery?

DH and I would also love to start our own business, but one thing at a time!

pmgkt Thu 21-Feb-13 14:16:50

Both kids having afternoon naps at the same time, perfect. My friend had a 14 month age gap, and only had to do about 5 weeks work. As it was such a short time she went back full time so that she got full time amount of mat pay, rather than doing part time, which ta what she has now done. She just called in favours from friends and family, Hubby took some leave, plus she also acrued leave during that 5 weeks. She did feel a bit bad but as she said she is only having 2, so it meant they could retain the same person to cover her second lot of leave, and also they have got it out of the way knowing she will now be focussing on work and career again.

Everyone has a lottery plan - who you'd split with, how much you'd give everyone, what you'd buy yourself!

I work as a medical writer, writing up clinical trials/information packs, etc. I do have the option of going freelance if I want, but that seems a bit scary at the minute.

Ds keeps being sick all over me angry

How long after jabs is it normal for them to affect them? D was a bit grouchy yesterday but today is sleepy and fussy and clingy, is that normal?

Secondsop Thu 21-Feb-13 14:50:04

Re age gaps, I tend to think that either a small gap or a big gap is good. I had a 3 year gap between me and my older sister and we only really got on once she was about 18 upwards. Whereas my younger sister is six years younger than me and we've always got on better.

utopian99 Thu 21-Feb-13 16:02:55

Much better night followed by productive morning work wise and then nice session at baby massage for the two of us..

Have mil round for lunch/to see Oz tomorrow.. No idea wear to do apart from obviously give her lots of playing time. We get on fine but have never bonded to the point of choosing to go for coffee together were it not for ds.. Any tips?

halesball Thu 21-Feb-13 17:43:17

Welcome Annelid envy of your sleep.

I always ask my DP's mum about him and his sister when they were at H's age. Seems to get a good conversation going Honey.

Spotty, H is sick on everything i wear i'm now use to wearing l'eau de vomit perfume haha.

I have mastitis again. Can't believe how painful it is compared to last time sad i'm going to take the antibiotics and when i'm clear of Mastitis, i'm going to have my last pleasurable BF then stop. I am not going through this again.

Good idea hales, you want your last one to be a good one smile hope it clears up quickly for you

Chloe55 Thu 21-Feb-13 18:32:07

I think that's a great idea hales and well dine you for feeding through the oain-i know they say you should but when I got mastitis with D's at 6weeks I couldn't bare it, gave up there and then and regretted it ever since sad

MaMaPo Thu 21-Feb-13 18:42:29

Hope you're ok with your decision hales. It must be tough.

Some PhDs around here! Well done willyou and honey! I have one too, in neuropsychology. I have a couple of friends who finished theirs after having a baby - it was hard enough without, I can't imagine how they did it!

Nice day today - went to a piano and cello recital for children. Lots of crying little ones, but C sat contentedly for a little while then slept solidly. Don't know if this means she's a classical music fan or not!

Will be interested to see how she sleeps tonight - she will have to sleep in her grobag as she pooed on her swaddle and it isn't dry yet. Hopefully she doesn't keep hitting herself in the face.

All this talk of trying for the next baby already is making me shudder!! DS is very likely to be an only child. It was a very difficult decision for me to TTC and it was and still remains very emotional for me. I won't say no never, to having more but it's very unlikely.

Besides, I have the contraceptive implant in so that's me sorted for three years!

Secondsop Thu 21-Feb-13 19:36:42

mamapo hopefully she'll sleep fine - Z never took to being swaddled and can be quite a squirmy baby but when he gets to sleep it's with his arms up either side of his face, quite peacefully.

Barbeasty Thu 21-Feb-13 19:58:12

I took A to be weighed today. He's 10lb15 so he's dropped down again to the 9th centile.

Finally I've been asked to come back in 2 weeks to see if he's found the line he wants to follow, or whether they need to start looking to see if there's anything wrong.

What's happened to COD? Hope she's ok smile

Barbeasty how old is A now? Are you worried?

minipie Thu 21-Feb-13 20:39:51

marking place

can't believe some of you are planning number 2 already! I'm still not sure whether number 1 was a good idea grin

we have had a bad week sleep wise, fingers crossed for better tonight. am heading to bed now to try to catch up a bit...

WLmum Thu 21-Feb-13 20:59:18

hales if it's not working for you then don't do it. As someone else said, happy baby needs a happy mummy. You've done amazingly well.

Sorry to hear tough birth/conception stories.

We still haven't had sex - we're kind of gearing up to it - I do want to now, not because I've particularly got any libido but because it def makes us closer and nicer to each other. Having spent most of the last 8 years ttc I dug out our old johnny jar - contents expired in 2010! Decided not to risk it what with sods law and all that. DH bought home a new pack but he's been on the late shift since so I e been asleep when he gets in.

Someone asked about the jump from 2dcs to 3 - obviously it's pretty busy and we have easier/harder days but def not as big a jump from 0-1 or 1-2.

itsMYNutella Thu 21-Feb-13 21:13:40

Hi everyone, just checking into the new thread and marking my place.

I thought I was insane to be thinking about trying next year for no.2! My brothers and I are 18 months apart and IMHO I think 2 years ish is a good gap. I'd also like 3 but not sure at the moment wink DS's nickname is often PITA grin he will have one chilled out day followed by a day of hardcore screaming... I'm hoping it is belly pain related and that in a few more weeks that will ease off when he will also start sleeping for 6/8 hours at a time

MaMaPo Thu 21-Feb-13 21:16:12

Seconds - non-swaddled sleeping failed already! Only 10 minutes after I put her down asleep she was awake again which is unusual for her. Swaddle was finally dry so she's all wrapped up and asleep again.

Husband's still at work sad but should be home soon so I'll eat with him. We also haven't had sex yet - boo - mostly because of opportunity. He said 'why not just one afternoon when she's asleep?' And I could barely contain my withering glance. She almost never sleeps long enough in the daytime to get anything done. Once she's asleep in the evening, she's in our room (which feels weird) and also, we're both tired! I kind of want to ask my friend to take her out for a walk for an hour so we can get it on.

utopian99 Thu 21-Feb-13 21:31:39

We've shamelessly been shagging while ds sleeps in his hammock in our room, he never needs to know blush. (not RIGHT now, obviously!)

Frequency has definitely suffered though due to tiredness...
Dh has taken ds upstairs for a nappy change and i can hear them 'chatting' away at each other. Cute! grin

SeymoreInOz Thu 21-Feb-13 21:56:02

Just checking in.

Hats off to those planning to TTC. I had 2.5 years between DC1 and DC2 and 4.5 years between DC2 & DC3. Realistically we are done, financially and physically. The morning sickness, then the heartburn, then the sciatica nearly finished me off this time! And I really want to retrain when we get back from Australia. But I'm just 32 so who knows!

After a long stretch of bad nights DS did 7pm-10:30pm-4am-7:30am! Whoop! The most sleep I've had in 12 weeks!

SeymoreInOz Thu 21-Feb-13 22:00:18

snap Nutella we have about one day a week when DS is relaxed, and the other days are filled with shock-and-awe type screaming. I cannot believe how loud he is! DD was similar (but not as loud) and chilled out between 3 and 4 months, nearly there!

I'm pissed off tonight. DP has told me I don't need to do everything and he will do some stuff, but he does it at a fucking snail's pace on his own time. Which means getting up to make the bottle at midnight rather than at 10:30 when I ask him so it's boiling hot when we need it. Or only getting as far as putting the kettle on then forgetting all about it.

Immediately following this conversation he asked me to go and make him a drink as he had hold of DS. If I need a drink he says here hand me DS while you get one. What does he think I do all day? I'm off on this hen do and he's in for a shock!

itsMYNutella Thu 21-Feb-13 22:06:00

What's worse Seymore is DS has chilled days often when DP is working from home. Then when DP has to be out all day or away overnight DS takes me to breaking point refuses to be put down or left for a second without breaking into monumental screaming confused

FriendofDorothy Thu 21-Feb-13 22:15:08

Hah Willyoudothefandango - you could be me tonight. I am stropping about very similar things!

WLmum Thu 21-Feb-13 22:16:53

I hear you will you

SeymoreInOz Thu 21-Feb-13 22:27:52

We have that problem willyou. I end up doing most things myself to save me grinding my teeth while DH takes an age just to change a nappy! The hen do will sort him out!

Me too Nutella, DS usually has one of his good days at the weekend so DH thinks I'm making it up half the time. Although I've taken to calling him at work "for a chat" when DS is at full pelt...

Don't get me started on nappies Seymore I picked up DS to find that not only had DP pit DS down without changing him, there was also a massive poo halfway up his back requiring a full clothes change. hmm

Dp often phones me before he leaves work which is usually when ds is screaming so poor dp usually just gets 'I can't bloody here you!' From a very grumpy me!

Ds slept four hours woo! Glad I went to bed at 8:15grin I was so tired that dp came in from training at 9:30 and came to bed and I didn't even here him!

IsThatTrue Fri 22-Feb-13 00:56:01

Well ds2 went down at 7. He woke briefly at 7.45 for a feed then stayed asleep until 10.30 when I came to bed. He's just up for his 2nd feed since then.

monsterchild Fri 22-Feb-13 00:56:37

I leave Yunior with Dh on mondays when I work. Yunior sleeps most of the day and when i get home he feeds nonstop until bed time. I think they don't act up because they know Mom is nowhere to be found, so they just sleep.

Argh he won't go back to sleep! And there's a stupid cat outside making stupid noises angry

Yay for felix! I can't sleep, stewing over friends who don't seem to understand that I really don't want to leave my baby to go out on the piss all the time. One childless friend said "You need to get him used to staying at grandparents, and the younger the better" Not at 9 weeks FFS! Another friend told me it's much harder for her to leave her 2 kids than me as they're older and know that she's gone. I may become a hermit until J's 18!

Ooh 4 more messages popped up. Evening all!

Yay asleep! Don't worry WillYou it just make it even more fun when you do go out. Then the morning after you remember why you wanted to stay in....!

MaMaPo Fri 22-Feb-13 01:26:20

This is going to be a long night - C was terrible going down and I had to feed her around half ten so no point my husband doing a dream feed. Of course, her internal alarm clock is set to 'no longer than 3 hours, are you kidding?!' so here we are again.

Chloe55 Fri 22-Feb-13 02:08:06

Pretty poor night here too, I'm sure it's tummy related though-she doesn't normally scream for that long. She's snoring away now and I'm obviously wide awake hmm.

I second the dh's wanting to 'help' which turns into a hindrance, then when I decide it's easier to do stuff myself I get accused of mollycoddling and being overprotective.

I also second the not quite ready to go out. I have an overnight hen do coming up in the next few weeks which I really thought I'd look forward to but after Friday night's sofa sleeping dh fiasco I am dreading it. I so so hope he goes back to his mums, I keep dropping hints but can't come right out and say it as he's so stubborn he would not go to prove a point. He is generally very capable and was brilliant with ds but perhaps that's because emotionally I was a wreck with ds and am not this time so have taken much more control, possibly leaving him a bit stranded.

WLmum Fri 22-Feb-13 03:21:13

willyou don't feel pressured to go out and leave ds - out will always be there, ds will only be 9 weeks once. Felt pressured by mil to go out without dd1, but since then have politely ignored such things. You'll know when your ready. I wish I was a bit more relaxed about leaving dd but I'm not ready and won't be for a goodly while yet and that's that!

Glad you got a decent stretch spotty.

monsterchild Fri 22-Feb-13 03:34:46

Yunior has been sleeping all day, I'm a bit worried he's not going to sleep tonight. We'll see. (We're in the States, so a bit early here yet).

He has also had a longer crying jag than usual, but it could be the green chile stew I had for lunch yesterday!

My poor friend let her mum have her 10 week old overnight when she really didn't want to just because her mum wanted him and she felt like she should. If you want to then that's great, go for it and have a good time! Bugger what anyone else thinks, though. If you don't want to go out until their ten then don't grin

monsterchild Fri 22-Feb-13 03:38:56

Spotty i agree! As the parent you get to make those decisions, and you may as well start practicing saying "because I said so" as you'll be using it a lot when they are 10!

WLmum Fri 22-Feb-13 04:05:49

Dd won't go back to sleep sad

WLmum Fri 22-Feb-13 04:08:08

This must be payback for the 9-3 stretch she did. I know 5 hours is considered sleeping through the night (not ny me) but 3 am is not morning.

WLmum Fri 22-Feb-13 04:22:55

Just had her asleep, q massive snore from DH, she's now awake. Bloody men.

WLmum Fri 22-Feb-13 04:33:29

She's asleep! Better stay that way and DH better bloody get up with dcs when they wake at 6.30. Grump!

Can someone explain to this child that 4am is not playtime? Also just had to explain that to DH who seems to tho k encouraging 4am playing is fine. It's absolutely find if you're going to get up for it every morning dear... angry

Ds has been doing that after his first stretch of sleep- being wide awake. It's really annoying he always used to go straight back down.

Ds has been doing that after his first stretch of sleep- being wide awake. It's really annoying he always used to go straight back down.

wl is 5 hours really considered sleeping through? confused I was hoping for nearer 10... Or 12... Or 15...

By 'sleep professionals' honey. Not by the normal people who have to do the night feeds hmm I consider it to be staying asleep from when you put them to bed until its time to get up!

IsThatTrue Fri 22-Feb-13 05:35:22

2nd night feed.

Sorry to those who's babies want to play. When people ask about ds2s sleeping I say it's fine as he's up 2-4 times but its only to eat so I can cope with that. He doesn't try and stay up, which is more frustrating than just feeding and putting back to bed.

We must be having a growth spurt he's feeding non stop and making my nipples sore!

So I finally got to sleep at 2:30am. Annoyingly this is the first night J decided to sleep from 10-6! So I kept thinking no point going to sleep, he'll be up any minute and he never was.

I think I may end up driving home on the first night and staying the second. It's Mother's Day weekend too, so I'm driving and if people aren't up and ready to go when I am I'm leaving them.

As soon as D got cuddles from DH he calmed down. DH hashes really seen him for a couple of days as has been leaving fit work at 5.45 and not getting home till nearly 9pm after I've put D to bed so I think he was just missing daddy!

EggsMichelle Fri 22-Feb-13 08:25:18

Hales I also decided yesterday to stop BFing, F is much happier with the bottle feed, isn't permanently hungry and has started to get frustrated with the nipple. I am proud that I have fed him for almost 3months, and at least now DH has no excuse not to do the night feeds!

I was forcibly separated from F the first time by DH and IL's, however it was either give me the 1hr break or I have a complete mental breakdown. If I hadn't had that experience I would still be reluctant to leave him now.

Barbeasty Fri 22-Feb-13 08:26:04

A is 10 weeks today. He's only 2lb10.5 heavier than when he was born.

I don't know that I'm worried per se, he's alert, got double chin and chubby cheeks, he feeds ok and we get decent nappies. But he is sick a lot, sometimes entire feeds. And that's something that the Dr and HV have completely ignored every time I've mentioned it. Poseting doesn't soak a muslin in 1 go! And it doesn't shoot across a room either.

But, given last night's constant feeding, I think we might be in for a growth spurt!

Not looking forward to a day with constantly feeding DS, and a DD who's testing boundaries on little to no sleep. But DH will be home in 10 to 11 hours.....

pmgkt Fri 22-Feb-13 08:28:14

7-1 1.30 -4.30 4.45 - 7 when dh woke him getting ready for work. With decent chunks of sleep why do I feel so tired? Both me and dh are on a diet and have planned what rewards we get each stone we lose. I have opted for a night in the spare room so I can have a whole night of undisturbed sleep. Done 4lb so far.

PurplePidjin Fri 22-Feb-13 08:39:15

Barbeasty, you're not obliged to see "your" dr each time - keep trying different GPs until you get some answers

Good going, pmgkt thanks

pmgkt Fri 22-Feb-13 08:43:44

Barb I have a similar situation here, as long as he is maintaining the same centile then its fine. Ed slipped off the chart and that got him noticed. I switched to ff so I knew what he was getting plus my boobs had never really felt full so I was concerned. He is now 9th centile so they are happy even though when I took him for his jabs the nurse commented that he was a tiddler. I ignored it as he is fat compared with 4 weeks ago. You aren't alone which I hope helps

brooke89 Fri 22-Feb-13 09:05:19

Pmgkt it's cause it's broken sleep hmm

LO did half 10-5:30 last night she usually goes back to sleep for 6-8 but hasn't this morning, I've woken up with a really high temp hope I'm not getting ill!

Morning all, we're having a pj and chocolate day as DS has a cold coming on (so do I I think - thanks for sharing DH).

Not sure what others do, but on Friday and Saturday nights DH is the one who gets up to do nappy changes and brings DS to me for feeding and then he takes him back to bed. There's something wonderful about being able to stay in bed the whole night, even if I'm not 'sleeping through' lol

Barbeasty I think you would know if there was something seriously wrong so it's good that you're not particularly worried smile

Pmgkt sounds like a good night, maybe a coffee will sort you out!

Coffee we don't change ds at night unless he's pooed and his cot is right next to the bed so all I have to do is stand up. Ill often get dp to go and get me a drink though weekend or not wink he keeps saying I must be a plant hmm

Dd also has a bit of a cold. She's had it on and off, along with a cough, since November. Started nursery on December though so that hasn't helped. Might get another nap out of her today!

Barbeasty Fri 22-Feb-13 09:32:35

The 6 week check was the first time in 5 years I'd seen "my" gp, out practice just gives you an appointment with whoever is free, unless you specify (and A is just registered with the practice, not a specific Dr).

So far the hv said to talk to the Dr as it sounded as though he might have reflux, and the Dr wasn't bothered and just said the hv would monitor A's weight.

It's only because I wanted to see if he'd dropped more lines that I took him to be weighed yesterday! Otherwise nobody wanted me to bother until his 9 month check.

I want to keep an eye though. DH is fairly short, and was very small as a child. His parents refused to have the growth hormones they were advised to give him, so he may just be following in his dad's footsteps.

ISpyPlumPie Fri 22-Feb-13 11:39:30

I've got a water infection sad. No burning, but need to go to the loo all the time. Just back from the docs - have got ABs. Totally paranoid though as got both gp and pharmasist to check they're ok with bf.

Also slightly blush moment when the Dr asked if I could be pregnant. He didn't seem to believe me when I first said there was no way, and a practically had to spell it out that it really would be physically impossible as there has been absolutely no opportunity for it to happen since N was born.

Oh ISpy hope it clears up quickly for you! I was blush when the nurse asked what contraception we were using and I had to reply 'the baby'

Ds won't stop crying for no reason. I'm just annoyed now and dd is all whingey and clambering on me. I just feel like leaving them to it and going to bed

MaMaPo Fri 22-Feb-13 12:32:59

Oh Spotty - days like these are tough, aren't they. Here, have a brew.

After what feels like forever of holding C for daytime naps (or suffering the consequences of an overtired baby), I decided to treat naptime like nighttime today (swaddle, closed curtains) and lo, the baby has been in her cot for half an hour. She's woken up once or twice and needed a bit of dummy wrangling once, but this is progress! Maybe the swaddle is key. I just bought another one online as we only have one (it's a special zip-up one) and if she soils it, we're scuppered!

Has anyone ever used sitters.co.uk? Or does anyone in London have a recommendation for a good babysitter? My husband and I have tickets to see the Book of Mormon in April (yay! tried to go in New York and tickets were upwards of $500) and need to find someone to look after little C from about 6.30pm until midnight.

EggsMichelle Fri 22-Feb-13 14:02:57

Mama the crazy things we will try just to get some rest!!!

Barbeasty get another opinion, does sound like reflux and F was a different baby after being prescribed gaviscon.

I have made pizza dough for the first time since my hand swelled mid pregnancy (couldn't get my engagement ring off) very therapeutic and my house smells of yeast. Can't wait for the smell of baked dough as well.

F has been an angel all morning, not a squeak until I scared him with an over enthusiastic cuddle and screamed for half hour!!!

IsThatTrue Fri 22-Feb-13 16:14:53

eggs grin at over enthusiastic cuddling!

Ds2 had his first ff today as I'm not getting any chance to express (working a 30+hr week and looking after ds2 and doing school runs etc) and occasionally I go out to Zumba or the nail salon. Today was the nail salon and DH gave ds2 4 oz which he took grudgingly. (As soon as I came in he started up like he was starving so he could get boob, he just sat licking my nipple and grinning at me grin nice to know I'm wanted!)

spotty I'm sorry you're having a hard day. Any chance of DH giving you an hours break tonight?

Not likely, if I'm lucky ill get a ten minute bath. He's working tomorrow morning then going straight to football. Then (rant alert) at 4pm we have to go out for 'afternoon tea' for his grandad's birthday. I'm really annoyed about this because 1, they only told us yesterday and 2, 4pm is a stupid time for afternoon tea. By the time everyone has arrived and got cake or whatever it'll be dd's dinner time! They're such a small family you might have thought they would take us into consideration. Plus 4pm is the beginning of witching hour definitely not a time of day I want to be going out with two little ones in the cold! (Dp will be at football until 4:30).

Luckily after ds's screaming session he fell asleep he must have been tired.

IsThat it's good you can give a ff if you need to, gives you sons flexibility smile

Breathe Spotty and repeat after me - THERE WILL BE CAKE grin

But I'm really fat WillYou and should definitely not be eating cake! grin

halesball Fri 22-Feb-13 17:13:18

Eggs i'm quite happy now i've made the decision. Me and DP were talking though and i was saying i would quite like a picture of me breastfeeding H (i wouldn't show anyone the picture). He told me that was weird and i shouldn't do it. Who do you agree with? I think i just want a record of it as it was a part of the first part of her life. But he says that H will never want to see the picture.

Funny story from this morning, as you know i live with my dad and my sister and niece have been staying here. Well my mum came this morning and took H and my niece to my nans so i could sleep. I never heard her come back but my mum, dad, sister niece and H have all been downstairs. Me and DP upstairs talking about our sex life but also making quite obscene jokes about each other and families not thinking anything of it. When we come downstairs my mum dad and sister were laughing and told us we'd left the baby monitor on, so they'd heard every word oooops.

Calories are instantly negated if you eat the cake with in laws.

IsThatTrue Fri 22-Feb-13 17:17:30

But you're bfing spotty and definitely should be eating cake!

Have you had words with do about getting a break now and then? You really seem to be having a tough time. I know what it's like with a screamer (ds1) and my XH was around most the time although about as much use as a chocolate teapot

Well ds2 went into his Moses awake about 30 mins ago, I had to give him his dummy 3/4 times but he didn't shout and is now asleep. I'm very lucky he's such an easy baby, it does prove all the 'making a rod for your own back' crew MIL as I hardly ever put him down until he was 8 weeks and have only started because he's insisting on it ( not settling on me).

IsThatTrue Fri 22-Feb-13 17:18:59

hales at least you weren't having sex! shock

Woops hales! blush And grin

Your dp is being ridiculous take lots of photos, surely it's not for dd it's for you? You will cherish them forever smile she will definitely appreciate it when she has her own baby too.

I don't really like feeding ds in front of dp's 78 year old grandad either, although he is lovely I don't like to make him feel awkward!

Hmm it's very quiet on here, I presume you've all gone out clubbing gone to bed at 7pm grin

Ah sod being fat Spotty it's cold outside! I've decided up invest in suck you in knickers for the hen do. And I'm sure he won't be able to see anything boobwise, plus I'm sure he's seen it all before.

One of the first pictures I took was of me breast feeding Hales if you want one then take one and sod DP. It also amused me when DP's interfering nan snatched my phone and looked through my photos. She and DP looked like this shock blush and I couldn't have given a shit!

Hope you feel better soon Ispy flowers

SeymoreInOz Fri 22-Feb-13 22:44:49

hales It's so easy to forget about the baby monitor!

Ispy I hope you're feeling better soon.

Does anyone mix feeding find that formula makes their baby constipated? DS has only had one bottle of formula so far but he was constipated for 2 days afterwards.

spotty I feel your pain. I'll join you with the cake and maybe some wine.

DS woke up in the supermarket yesterday and had the mother of all meltdowns. Lots of people were gathering round, I don't blame them, it was breathtaking screaming. It was my fault for going out with the pram rather than the sling. We had a 20 minute walk home so me and the DCs had to run the whole way with DS yelling. I get really nervous when we're out now and I'm starting to stay in more and more! DH went straight out from work and got back at 5am, he's now sleeping off a hangover. <weeps>

Secondsop Fri 22-Feb-13 23:32:34

mamapo we're going to Book of Mormon in June! My sister found a deal on lastminute.com. My mum has moved house this week and now lives just 5 minutes drive away so she will be babysitting.

hales now you've mentioned it I would really like a photo of me breastfeeding. I've got a "modest" one with a muslin on Z but it's slightly odd because the cat is sitting behind me on the back of the sofa, watching over my shoulder!

EggsMichelle Sat 23-Feb-13 00:39:39

Cats are so voyeuristic!

Secondsop Sat 23-Feb-13 01:38:56

eggs I know! I'll post the photo on the Facebook group.

Am completely sucked into the recent bra threads elsewhere. Mammalarocca has a sale on (amongst other things) Hotmilk at present. I might buy a couple more - Hotmilk are my comfiest bras ever.

Fuming. DH got home from work at 9.45 last night and was due to start at 10 tomorrow morning. Got a text from his boss at quarter past 11 telling him he has to be in for 6am and is still on till 8pm finish. DH has seen D while he's been awake for 5 mins since wed. And now late start has been taken away tomorrow/this morning he won't see him till Monday. angry

utopian99 Sat 23-Feb-13 01:50:57

Ooh seconds good tip off! I love hotmilk too - so much prettier as well. Also amoralia and cake lingerie.. (cake....mm....)

After my epic day of face stuffing on Wed (and thurs blush,) have eaten tiny lunch and quite restrained supper plus pramactive this morning and long walk this aft so hoping I've gone some way to balance out.

Actually had a lovely afternoon with mil after worrying about it, they are less worried about us moving to London than I thought, which is ace. Think I've been unfairly projecting behavior of ghastly mother of my exfiance who would have been uber clingy grandmother, but mil just happy to have time with Oz which is fully understandable!

utopian99 Sat 23-Feb-13 01:51:58

Ps seconds where are these bra threads?

Secondsop Sat 23-Feb-13 02:05:25

honey that's awful. A text at 11:15 saying he has to be in work in less than 7 hours?!

utopian I don't know how to link with them on my phone but one was in AIBU that is now full, and a new one in Style and Beauty - search for user Statisticallychallenged, who i assume is a bra fitter, who is commenting on both.

Secondsop Sat 23-Feb-13 02:11:22

utopian here's the AIBU - sorry for lack of proper linkage.

http://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/1678173-To-despair-at-EVER-finding-a-bra-that-fits

That's shite Honey, Theu could've given him a bit more notice.

Utopian I admire your restraint, I started the pill again and am waiting for appetite to calm down. If it stays like this I'll be enormous!

Oh dear Seymore I'm sure everyone with kids has been the mum with the baby screaming in the supermarket at least once. flowers and drag DP out of bed or better yet, send in the big DC's <evil>

First and last tome I forget the last nappy change of the night. I have no idea how some of your babies last the night. DS does horse wees and has woken himself up by soaking his outfit inc grobag. Putting the washer on at 2am as it's his last one = not fun.

Honey that's crap sad

Seymore I hate it when ds screams when we're out, I'm sure no one minded though!

I'm loving the bra thread too, it seems hot milk don't go down to my back size though which is annoying confused

PurplePidjin Sat 23-Feb-13 03:58:04

WillYou, try a bamboo fitted with fleece soaker over. No leaks wink

EggsMichelle Sat 23-Feb-13 04:21:56

I hate my bastard neighbours, they woke F up with their shitty music and no doubt came home screaming and shouting (they always do). We are up watching supersize, eating cold home made pizza. Atleast DH is off tomo, I can have an afternoon nap.

Honey, are you getting any advice with the employment law stuff? There has got to be something in his contract about last minute shift changes.

He spoke to the area manager who is looking into how his manager is running things- luckily he's only an acting manager and the new one is coming in next week. After today he's going to have worked 54 hours in 4 days

Eugh we're up for the day. Typically dd is still asleep. I've just switched over our broadband router from bt to sky though so that's something productive done for the day grin going to make parsnip soup later. Might have beans on toast for breakfast....

Ugh 2 might wakings sad, how did we cope a couple of weeks ago when it was all night every night? Thank god that stage doesn't last long.

Thanks Pidj

As in called up Spotty? Are they open this early?

No as in switched the routers over smile

envy At two night wakings we always have three!

We've not had 3 for a while now but I only put him down properly at midnight so don't count the 11pm.

I've been Elbow deep in poo before 7am! I stood there staring at it for 10mins not sure where to start and had to double bag the nappy! Cheers Jamie!

Oh no I hate that when there's so much poo you don't know where to start!

Ds goes down between eight and nine so wakes kind of 11,2 & 5 ish <yawn>

We did 11, 2, 6. Trying for more now though now DP's gone to work

Dp's gone to work too, dd is colouring hmm I think I need more coffee..... Hope you get some more sleep!

Chloe55 Sat 23-Feb-13 08:33:29

Hope it gets sorted prompt when the new manager comes honey, I fear dh is missing out on so much of dd's early months as he works ridiculous hours too sad

spotty can I come for lunch? I lurve parsnips!

I'm angry again today. So, if you remember I had probs with dh last Friday when we went out for a meal for my birthday, he said he'd do the night shift and I should let my hair down and drink, this I did and he let me down by being too drunk to look after dd. Anyway, we had a couple over last night which has been booked in for months and was to be my 'official' first night of drinking and dh to do nightshift. Because of last week I didn't allow myself to get drunk but did have a few glasses of wine throughout the night (whilst I watched dh steadily get wasted hmm. I went on cups of tea at midnight but didn't go to bed til 4am shock, had a lovely night catching up. Dh said he would do the next feed and I should get some sleep, he'd be up in a bit. Cue dh falling asleep on the sofa, not waking up to the 3 times dd screamed between 4am-7am, I had to get up and make up a bottle to give her, I was obviously prepared for this and secretly quite pleased as wouldn't have left her in dh's care anyway. She wouldn't take it well from me though and I had a real battle on my hands.

Now, I'm proper pissed off as dh has shown me once again why I don't trust him this time round. We had had an argument earlier in the eve as I am due to go on a hen do overnight in a couple of weeks and he was arranging to have a couple of friends over for poker. I said over my dead body after what happened last Friday and I'd never relax for a second, he basically told me to fuck off for insinuating he doesn't know how to appropriately look after his own daughter. But, look what's happened again!! sad I feel like cancelling the hen do, I thought long and hard about whether I was gonna go in the first place but after lots of encouraging I thought yeah, why shouldn't I go and enjoy a night away dh has gone on numerous stag dos whilst I was pg and it's my turn but now the thought of it makes me want to cry.

I prob make dh sound like a total twat. Fir everything else he is great-he works hard, is a great dad to ds, we have a strong relationship but I don't trust him to care for dd competently whilst I'm away and that hurts me. I'm fucked off with him having a go at me for being overprotective and not trusting him but he hasn't shown me any reason why I should sad what would you guys do?

Sorry for the long me me me post.

MaMaPo Sat 23-Feb-13 08:35:32

Our babies are quite consistent. Last night C did 12, 3, 6. Then took forever to fall asleep in her cot. Just woke again at 8 and we're having a cuddle and feed in our bed. And she's drifting off again!

Out for a full English later - I'll need breakfast part one first.

MaMaPo Sat 23-Feb-13 08:41:18

Sorry xpost Chloe. Horrible situation for you (and how on earth are you functioning on no sleep!).

Not sure what did obit a calm conversation is clearly needed. Perhaps phrased as 'how can WE ensure baby is cared for?' But I would also be furious about him getting annoyed because you're insinuating he doesn't know how to look after baby - I'd ask him what other conclusion would he draw based on the evidence? And I'd be clear that words and intentions aren't helpful. It's his actions that count.

Man. Good luck.

Chloe if it was me I'm afraid I wouldn't go. But I haven't left ds for even half an hour yet grin

Chloe55 Sat 23-Feb-13 08:48:49

Thanks mama, I'm sure the lack of sleep will hit me like a tonne of bricks later grin We do need to talk, I honestly think dh doesn't see that it's an issue to be drunk whilst in charge. I have no problem with having a few glasses of wine I have a serious problem with having so much you don't wake up to a crying baby. I actually don't think I could physically do that but then I'm a light sleeper and even in the past would rarely drink to that level anyway. When dh drinks at the weekend if we are with friends or doing something social then he will drink to this extent. He honestly doesn't see any problem with this-I have discussed it with him even before dd was born and he thinks I'm overeacting and making a big deal about a trivial thing sad

2blessed Sat 23-Feb-13 08:49:29

Morning all, not posted for ages can't keep up with you all smile

spotty have just had 1st coffee in months as run out of decaff- t' was good.

Having a nightmare time at the moment with dp which is stressing me out, we're not agreeing on anything and everything is an issue. Also, still battling with People visiting and purposely waking LO because he ' should be awake' when they come round. I really flipped over this a couple of weeks ago so not very popular but I don't care.

And work is stressing me too. Massive restructure going on and I'm not happy with where they want to place me. Have union on the case and 2 good friends who are quite senior hr bods.

Most importantly though LO is still gorgeous! We had a lovely day at the baby show yesterday.

Sorry all for my doom and gloom. Hope there were good sleeps last night.

Chloe55 Sat 23-Feb-13 08:51:06

That's what I'm thinking spotty but I will be letting a lot of people down (room sharing and I'm driving 3 others) and quite frankly I'm angry that I won't be going because I don't trust dh to be responsible and not because I can't bare to be away-does that make sense?

Chloe55 Sat 23-Feb-13 08:52:25

2blessed I would be furious if someone purposely woke dd!!

MaMaPo Sat 23-Feb-13 08:56:20

This sounds awful hole, but is your other half a smart guy? Why can't he realise that if he's so soundly asleep he can't wake up to baby then he got too drunk? What does he think would have happened if you'd not been there ?

I probably wouldn't go either. I'm going out tonight for dinner with a friend leaving my husband with baby. I trust him completely but even so my brain will be a bit distracted. I don't think you could enjoy yourself like this.

Is there anyone else around who could help?

MaMaPo Sat 23-Feb-13 08:57:01

Sorry Chloe, I didn't mean to call you 'hole'!

WLmum Sat 23-Feb-13 08:59:28

Chloe I would be so furious! DH would totally feel my wrath, and I'm afraid I wouldn't leave dd in his care for a long time. Harsh on you if you don't get to go out and enjoy yourself but I would have to know dd was totally safe and prioritised. I'd also be making a point to DH. Is there anyone else you trust that could have her? I'm glad you say other areas of your relationship are strong, but for me this would be a really serious issue.

2blessed Sat 23-Feb-13 09:01:21

chloe I think mama's advice is sound and I probably wouldn't go either which is a shame. There have been times when dp said he would do the night shift, I've been woken up by lo's cries so fed, changed and settled him and then next morning dp is proud of lo for sleeping through. No, you just didnt hear him and then I get 'well why didnt you wake me?' Grrrr!

2blessed Sat 23-Feb-13 09:08:00

chloe the last time it happened they were surprised when lo woke up crying and I said what do you expect when you've woken him up. I was shaking with anger. Some people just don't get it, who when they're sleeping wants someone clapping in their face saying 'wake up wake up you've been sleeping too long'?

Hoping for a nice chilled weekend, think this is the first where we have no visitors since lo was born - thats 7 weeks!

Chloe I'm going on an overnight hen do in 2 weeks too and there is no way in hell I would leave DS if DP had behaved like yours. I think you need to read him the riot act and use next weekend as a test run to see if he could be trusted. Could your mum have your DD instead maybe?

2Blessed you need to have the baby near you when they arrive. If they try to wake him get between them and get ready to administer a slap I cannot believe how "entitled" some people are <mn bingo>, waking your baby to play with him. I hope he grows teeth and bites them!

I got 2 more hours! 'twas awesome.

Chloe that is terrible behavioud on the part of your dp. I wouldn't be leaving DS if mine behaved like that but I can understand your dilemma. Like others have said do you have family or friends who could look after dd? And say if he is having his mates round then he won't be capable of looking after her so you've made alternative arrangements? Hopefully that would make him reassess?

D has taken to making noises like he is about to wake up throughout the night so I don't get to go to sleep as constantly expecting him to wake.

Secondsop Sat 23-Feb-13 10:58:14

chloe I wouldn't want to leave my baby either in your situation. I agree with the others that a big talk is needed at a time when you're both calm. Could he perhaps not be taking the care seriously at the moment because he knows you're there to pick up the pieces if he fails? Not suggesting you test this by going and leaving, but perhaps you could speak to him about what would have happened if you hadn't been there, and how his behaviour has to change if you're to leave the baby with him.

Secondsop Sat 23-Feb-13 10:59:53

Re night wakings, at the weighing clinic on Thursday I met a lady with a 1-year-old who was still wanting up to 5 (bottle) feeds a night. Eek.

Oh seconds I would not be doing that especially with a bottle, I'm afraid I would be putting my foot down!

Got dd's feet measured and they haven't grown thank goodness!

2blessed I would be really angry. If they can't understand your annoyance then that's their problem. Re your dp is it just sleep deprivation? With dd we argued constantly for the first four months (and she only ever woke once ha!). It's been less of an issue this time but we certainly have our moments. Like why dies he empty the bin but leave the bloody bin bag by the back door in the kitchen ffs it smells and is unhygienic!

Barbeasty Sat 23-Feb-13 11:42:53

Chloe could a parent or in-law come and supervise help? Especially his mum .... might shame him into behaving!

Seymore just remember that your baby always seems louder to you than to other people. And everyone will have been there, done that.

A nappy wrap is good over disposables generally. We used a motherease wrap on DD even when she wasn't in cloth and it was an extra barrier to poo explosions.

I may have opened the door to DH's room and let DD in to jump him awake at 6.14 this morning when I didn't feel I should be the only adult up.

Chloe55 Sat 23-Feb-13 11:52:10

Well I've told him I'm not going. He told me not to be ridiculous and he is fully capable of having did, I said well if the past 2 Fridays are anything to go by then he isn't. Nothing else has been said but ds was in the room so we couldn't have it out. barbeasty if I do end up going I am gonna suggest I will only feel comfortable if he goes to mil. second I do actually think he would man up if he didn't have me to fall back on but I'm not sure I can take that risk yet. Our friends stopped over-when they left T asked dh if they were still on for poker that weekend, dh said he'd think about it and let him know so I don't think he is gonna have friends over but who knows, will speak to him properly later. Thanks for all your replies, feel much more confident and non precious about standing my ground now.

PurplePidjin Sat 23-Feb-13 12:55:29

Chloe, LO is far more important than "d"p's finer feelings - stand firm! <hug>

D has dozed off in his bouncy chair. It's the first time he's slept anywhere during the day other than on me or in his pram for weeks. I might manage some housework if this continues...

In other news I learnt goes to wrap with a woven yesterday. Love it. Next up, back carries!

Ds only sleeps in his bouncy chair in the day, not sure what I'm going to do once he's bigger confused

WLmum Sat 23-Feb-13 14:12:44

Housework? What's that?! Actually I really must do some today/tom am as we have friends coming tom who's house is always pristine. Not sure how they manage it!

utopian99 Sat 23-Feb-13 14:23:34

Going out to a friend's baby shower thingy soon. Have fed O to sleep, expressed 5oz and have total faith in dh but still feel nervous for some reason!

Oh I feel such a wuss having not left ds even for five minutes yet blush is he going to turn into one of these children who'll never be left?!

MaMaPo Sat 23-Feb-13 14:38:17

Having a bloody rotten day today. C being cranky and I can't stop crying. Wish we could shorten both days and weeks so the mythical point when 'it gets easier' actually arrives.

Seriously - when does it happen?

With each milestone mama smile

WLmum Sat 23-Feb-13 14:50:54

spotty I haven't left dd either, not sure when I will tbh. Really don't think it has any bearing on them being comfortable being left later on. I just feel that I want to have her near me and if that's what I need then that's what she needs. If I knew she would go down for a 2 hour nap I'd probably feel a bit more relaxed but she feeds alot during the day and only naps for short periods in the sling or longer of we're in the car or moving pram. Leaving her will come soon enough by choice or circumstance.

mama so sorry to hear you're having such a rubbish day. Anything in particular making you feel like crying or just general exhaustion/lack of control etc? I promise it does get easier. Can't say exactly when but soon, and when it does all this will seem like a distant memory. When DH gets home can he have C so you can have a hot bath and glass of wine and good cry or good book for an hour?

WLmum Sat 23-Feb-13 14:57:04

I've got a cranky baby today too. No idea why. Luckily big 2 are happily playing with their happy meal toys (went for a walk and end of half term treat earlier) so I'm just camped on sofa with t attached to a boob. I feel a bit ropey myself today so maybe she does too.

Oh and we have rats in our garden -grrr. DH has put poison under the shed but saw 2 this morning. Yuk!

Eugh I hate rats WL!! Worse than mice for you. M

Ds is being a grump too hmm he's just laying on my chest sucking my finger. He's been asleep all morning though but really unsettled now he's awake. I think he might fall asleep again confused

WLmum Sat 23-Feb-13 15:31:09

Rats are far worse, and these were big fellas too. We live right near the railway track so we do get from time to time but in the summer we over hauled the garden to get rid of any rat friendly elements so disappointed to see Roland again.

Dd is asleep on my chest having been asleep in the car to the walk, in the sling on the walk and again in the car. Only really woken up for feeds but cried like never before earlier during a nappy change which she normally enjoys.

Ds isn't asleep he's just staring into space as I bounce him in his bouncer. I'm thinking if keeping him in the sling when I have to go this 'afternoon tea' later so no one can touch him grin it has a bar for goodness sake it's no place for a toddler and baby even as early as five on a Saturday night hmm

MaMaPo Sat 23-Feb-13 16:04:42

I don't know why today is so hard. It's relentless, C won't sleep and is therefore miserable and awful. Wouldn't sleep in sling, in pram, on me or on my husband. If she drifts off while feeding she's awake again promptly. I keep feeding her to have something to do. We're down to less than 2 hours between feeds. I just feel miserable - suspect its hormonal - lonely, a long way from home, sick of bloody winter, bored. The whole kit and kaboodle really. Am supposed to be off out with a friend for dinner but can't see myself enjoying it.

Bah. I am just over everything today. Just had a bath but unfortunately could hear C crying so don't feel much relaxed.

Mama sad tomorrow is another day and will hopefully be a lot brighter. If you're not up for going out stay in and have a take away. If you do go out make the most of it and have a large wine

I'm not going. Dp isn't even home get and it's twenty minutes away. Ds needs changing, I need to change and dd needs her hair doing and her socks putting on. He can take dd on her own and deal with her being tired and hungry, he'll have to buy her something. angry

Sorry for being ranty blush

WLmum Sat 23-Feb-13 17:32:18

Poor mama. It will pass but I know now it's shit.

Don't apologise spotty it's what we're here for.

Well having escaped the bug when dd2 had it, I seem to have it now. Feel dreadful and apprehensive about bfing and having to run to the loo :-(

Chloe55 Sat 23-Feb-13 20:07:14

mama, write a line under today and start a fresh tomorrow. Things always seem much worse with an incessant baby cry in the background. Perhaps your dd is having a growth spurt or is a little under the weather? Hopefully tomorrow will be easier.

We've just been bowling as a family, I was proper crap grin dd was a little superstar and looked on in amazement at all the laser beams and flashing lights and didn't whinge once.

Am seriously knackered now, last night is def catching up. Dh and I haven't discussed anything yet as ds been in earshot all day. We are both getting on well though so I guess now would be a good time to discuss when neither of us is tetchy.

Just deleted kisses grin

halesball Sat 23-Feb-13 20:09:08

Chloe could you leave your LO with your DP for a few hours during the week, leave when shes asleep then he'll have to deal with her crying. He might see how hard work it is then. Then the next day broach the subject of you going out for the hen do. Maybe he 'sleeps' so soundly while your there is because he knows you'll get up. I put the 'sleeps' like that because my DP pretends to be asleep when our DD wakes up. I'm sure if your not there he won't sleep so soundly.

Mama, hope your ok, have a load of comfort food and a duvet day if you can. thanks

Spotty hope everything turned out ok before.

halesball Sat 23-Feb-13 20:10:16

Cross post Chloe, glad you had a nice night grin

Chloe55 Sat 23-Feb-13 20:20:04

hales I have to leave him every Saturday for about 4-5hrs as I'm in a band and we have some weddings coming up so need to regularly practice. He copes very well (in fact manages to have both kids, tidy and walk the dog! Which is more than me blush) it's the drunken sleep that bothers me-he wakes up if he's sober. I so hope after our chat he agrees to stay sober that night and not have anyone over. If he can't make that promise I won't go. He wouldn't lie, if he says he won't invite people he won't but he might not agree to that purely to prove a point, we will see. It was his suggestion for me to go away so it's not like he's making obstacles he just doesn't see the importance clearly, he won't ever think he's as drunk as he is iykwim?

Ds keeps waking up everytime I try to transfer him to his cot sad

EggsMichelle Sat 23-Feb-13 21:09:34

Sorry to here all the shit days, hope you all wake up tomo feeling refreshed and relaxed again.

We've had a surprisingly good day considering the terrible sleep last night. Had visits from some old friends and DH's cousin, f has spent several hours playing on his play gym and bouncy chair and iv done lots if house work and a little unplanned plumbing (kitchen sink leaking again!)

Sadly had some worrying news, another of DHs cousins has been missing since 3pm yesterday. She has learning disabilities, 19yrs oldand there are very few clues of where she has gone. She very vulnerable and impressionable, just hoping she will be found fast.

ISpyPlumPie Sat 23-Feb-13 21:27:14

That sounds really worrying Eggs. Thinking of you and hoping she is found safe and sound very soon.

Spotty - I've not left N yet either. Not too worried though - meeting up with friends lots in the day/places he can come to with me and I know the time will come when I finally get round to introducing a bottle I do leave him and all will be fine.

WL - hope you're feeling better soon.

Mama - sorry you've had a tough day. Fx for a better one tomorrow.

Thanks for all the messages. Feeling better today so looks like ABs are doing the trick. Had a lovely day out with DH amd the boys. Went to the science museum which DS1 loved. N was also really happy in the sling just looking around and grinning at everyone. So nice to have some proper family time - I'm another one whose DH works ridiculous hours, though not as bad as your DH Honey. It sounds like his employer is seriously taking the piss and I hope it gets better for you both soon.

WLmum Sat 23-Feb-13 21:44:11

sad eggs. Fx

ispy interesting that n is happy awake in the sling - t moans and fights unless she's asleep. What kind of sling and tie? We're still using the new born hug hold in the moby.

Fx eggs must be very worrying. H

Damn fat thumbs...

Hope there is news soon.

DH went in at 6 this morning but when he told his colleague what had happened she went completely ballistic and called a couple of other managers in the area who reassured DH he was not the one in the wrong (he has just started management training) area manager was called and idiot boy has apparently been known to do things like this before and is being demoted this week. Area managers told DH to leave at 5 so he did and was here for bath and bedtime grin tentatively hoping things may now get better

To clarify, DH has no problem working long hours but when management screw ups mean he doesn't get home till after 9 and leaves again at 6 the next morning for over a week it's starting to get ridiculous

EggsMichelle Sat 23-Feb-13 22:32:57

That's brilliant Honey, about time the little arse hole is being dealt with, clearly let power go to his head!

The frustrating thing is there is lots of family bickering with different family members not talking to each other from one week to the next (DH and I are relieved we live far enough away to not get dragged in) and this hasn't stopped that horrible finger pointing/ bitching behaviour!

utopian99 Sat 23-Feb-13 23:24:58

Fx for good news eggs and good to hear your dh is getting a bit of respite from his twattish boss honey. Also Fx for discussion with your dp chloe..

Came back from baby shower to dh on sofa watching football with ds curled up asleep on his chest and 3oz of milk drunk! Hurrah!

halesball Sat 23-Feb-13 23:31:21

Hope the discussion goes well Chloe.

FX Eggs. Hope they find her soon.

ISpyPlumPie Sat 23-Feb-13 23:51:37

We're using a moby sling too WL. Not sure what the proper name of the hold I do is, think it's the hug but he has his legs out at the bottom now which he seems much happier with.

Great news Honey.

Hope everything goes well Chloe.

utopian99 Sun 24-Feb-13 00:00:10

Also, WLmum, we're moving down to woking/st Johns (near enough,) over Easter now dh's job is confirmed. Think you said you were local to there? Am wondering about classes/groups to join as we do swimming, massage and pramactive up here that I'd like to continue...any tips?

2blessed Sun 24-Feb-13 00:06:39

Hoping for safe return home eggs

Alright day today. Left DS with DP while I went shopping for breastmilk storage bags and 3-6mth clothes. Also bought some fenugreek capsules which is apparently good for increasing milk supply, we'll see if it works as DS just seems to be hungry all the time and I can barely keep up!

Both DP and DS are sleeping now so was able to chill, clean up and then will be heading to bed myself.

Sending good sleep vibes to all...

WLmum Sun 24-Feb-13 03:09:47

That's good mama

utopian check out http://www.woking.gov.uk/leisure/leisurecentrepool. I haven't tried this time but did a short swimming course there with dd2. The toddler splash sessions are unguided but nice enough although the Sunday one is best to book a place. There always used to be a buggy fit class in the same park but it clashed with drop off/pick of dd1 so didn't look too far into it. Had a quick look on link but only got my phone so prob best to call them. If not, am pretty sure there's one in nearby Guildford in Stoke park. The spectrum pool in Guildford is great for los once they start walking.
Sheerwater sure start gave me a leaflet for a massage course last time I took dd to be weighed there - I couldn't fit it in so binned it but contact details here (sheerwater comes under caring day care) http://www.surreycc.gov.uk/people-and-community/family-information-service/support-for-parents-and-carers/sure-start-childrens-centres-in-surrey/contact-details-for-sure-start-childrens-centres-in-surrey/sure-start-childrens-centres-in-woking
There'll be nct bumps and babes group too - again dd being my 3rd I don't go to any but know there will be some.
Let me know if you need any other info.

Zzzzz second wake up here. Glad it's Sunday tomorrow, I love Sundays as dp is home, might even get a cheeky lie in!

hmm Sunday today I mean grin

WLmum Sun 24-Feb-13 03:18:56

Meant to say I did aquatots swimming (or something similar) with dd1 and it was fab so check that out too

Argh I meant today! Today is Sunday. I give up! blush

PurplePidjin Sun 24-Feb-13 03:53:58

My last period was a year ago today

EggsMichelle Sun 24-Feb-13 05:05:17

That's nostalgic Pidj! Mine was 26th January (body decided to play tricks on me before falling pregnant!)

Has anyone else's lo got a built in alarm clock? Regardless of the time he goes to bed, F always wakes for his first feed at 12,30ish, it's very clever! It's looking like a much better night than last night, he has just fed and slept.

If the house work is done, might persuade DH to let us go to mil for Sunday roast.

eggs yup to built in alarm clock. We trief dteam feeds but made no difference as he still woke at the same time.

Nope, no pattern here!

I've still got my stupid period, it's really light though. Apparently only 2% of people get their period when ebf hmm

WLmum Sun 24-Feb-13 06:09:07

ispy I'll try that hold, hD assumed that dd was a bit young buy maybe not - she'll be 10 weeks on tues. How old is n?

Dd always gets up at 6. Today she is still asleep shock ds is wido though hmm. Bacon sandwiches for breakfast grin (sorry I always talk about food!)

utopian99 Sun 24-Feb-13 07:00:11

Mmm bacon. Ate entirely too much cake at this do yesterday and heartily pissed off with myself but it was so nice.

Ds always wakes at the same intervals despite original bedtime too.- except tonight as i was so sleepy at his 1.30 feed i fed him lying down (safe co sleeping position), next woke up at 6.30! shock

Great for sleep, not for dh and i getting our own bed/snuggles though. Also he now seems to be the Most Wriggly Baby in Manchester..

Thanks for the links wl, will be looking into those! (I remember the spectrum from when we were little - bet things have changed though..)

Utopian the spectrum is tiny these days, it's definitely shrunk wink has a costa now though! How long are you going to be in the area?

Chloe55 Sun 24-Feb-13 07:38:08

Oh dear eggs that's worrying, hope she makes a safe return, keep us posted.

I went to bed at 9pm, co-slept all night, I def fed 4 times as I remember switching sides but most if it was done in a sleepy fashion, have no idea about the times and it was all very calm so feel like I've had a pretty good sleep. Dh has taken her now, after dressing her in jeans and an I love mummy top-she looks so grown up shocksad and now I'm gonna get a bit more kip before she comes back to bed for her morning 20min nap smile

utopian99 Sun 24-Feb-13 08:06:10

spotty we'll be at least 6 months I think - looking for somewhere to buy to live in London but need to work out where and sell our place up here first.. where are you?

I'm just the other side of Haslemere. Not that close but Guildford is our nearest big town and where we go if we want to go shopping etc

IsThatTrue Sun 24-Feb-13 08:43:09

Oo if anyone fancies a meet in Guildford I could make it. I'm out near Croydon but its not far down the A3, we go to spectrum swimming with the big kids every few months.

I'm up for a Guildford meet!

WLmum Sun 24-Feb-13 10:05:57

Guildford meet good for me too!

I STILL have my period, it's 18 days and counting. I only had 5 days between lochia and period, fed up now!

Hope she's found soon Eggs

Jamie got up at 4 and 7 last night. I've only had 2 nights of 7 hours solid sleep, but they were soooo good! Although I think I'll miss him when he starts sleeping through blush I'm such a sap now!

envy WillYou! Thirteen weeks and only two times where I've had 3 1/2 hours sleep in a row!

Oops sorry Spotty I am a dreadful insomniac if that helps though? Quite often he'll be snoring away and I lie wide awake all night angry

It's awful when they're asleep and you're not isn't it? It seems like such a waste! The past couple of nights I've struggled getting back to sleep after the 2/3 o'clock feed. It's ok though, not as bad as when I was in hospital for steroids and they woke me every hour for four nights angry just what I needed before labour grin

grin ah hospital wards, the least relaxing place ever! I often think about the 2 19 year old girls who were on the ward when I got induced. They had hyperemesis and were 10 and 12 weeks gone. It was 4am when my waters went and I made a ooh noise at the pop. I then did 2 hours on all fours reading heat and chatting to the other ladies. I could see these 2 white faces poking out of their beds and one said please stop you're terrifying me! I wasn't even moaning mooing or anything! Just reading bikini body stories and looking where one direction had been spotted. God help them When it's their turn!

Oh you should have started mooing after that wink

Stacks Sun 24-Feb-13 11:45:48

I've had a couple of terrible nights. DS has been fine, waking consistently at 2:30, 4:30 and 7:30 (first time it's been consistent times even though inconsistent bed times). However, I've got a bad cough, so firstly I keep waking DS up when he drops off on the breast or in with me in bed. When I manage to hold in my coughs long enough that he gets to sleep, I Jen spend ages coughing. Really getting tired with it now, luckily docs are open tomorrow so I'll go beg for drugs. The pharmacy refused to sell me any.

We've got loads of snow again today, though still managed to get out to swimming (just). DS did his first submersion today and took it all in his stride. Very proud mummy. I think I'll start taking him swimming outside of classes soon.

I can't remember names due to lack of sleep. However I hope the cousin is found soon, must be very stressful. Also, to the mum finding it hard today, try and get a break if you can, and also give yourself a break - you're a wonderful mum, babies cry sometimes and it's ok. They know you love them, you're there for them, just keep cuddling.

DS had a real tantrum last night. Just screaming for no apparent reason. After trying for ages I finally got him to accept the breast and fall asleep - when I spilt cold juice all over his face and terrified him. Trying to dry his face quickly terrified him even more. I felt awful he was crying so hard and obviously panicking. I was crying too and was so angry with myself for doing something so stupid. The first traumatic thing in his life sad I'm nearly in tears again just thinking about it.

utopian99 Sun 24-Feb-13 11:46:32

willyou I was on the induction ward but went into labour naturally before they got the drugs into me. Was there for a few hours before I got sent to delivery but it progressed pdq so they bought me mobile gas and air - I was trying so hard not to make a noise for the sake of not freaking out the ladies waiting for drugs to work and kept apologising according to dh to all who'd listen..

Also guildford local ladies I'd be v up for a meet once we move down! Any day after Easter...

Stacks hope you feel better soon, don't worry about the juice I spilt rice on ds's head the other day grin

Utopian I was 6cm with contractions 7 in 10 on the ward and they still wouldn't let me have gas and air! I was mooing though

Eggs any news on your dh's cousin?

There wasn't a specific induction ward just an antenatal one so I was with people who'd had a bleed, preeclampsia or hyperemesis.

Hope you feel better soon Stacks. I dropped a banana skin on DS's head the other day. He was shocked to say the least!

Secondsop Sun 24-Feb-13 14:14:42

willyou I was on an induction ward but they didnt believe I was in labour after the gel until I almost gave birth there and then, so I couldn't help making lots of noise, and i made the 5 year old son of the woman in the next cubicle cry.

grin Seconds

Ds has been really squirmy the past couple of days when feeding, even at night, any ideas? He does it when he first latches and after let down

Ha Seconds well that'll learn them. Hopefully that little boy also learned an important lesson about the importance of contraception!

halesball Sun 24-Feb-13 15:41:44

Spotty maybe check his mouth for signs of thrush, also double check your breasts for any abnormalities. If neither of them maybe he's coming down with something. Swaddling my LO when she gets like that helps.

I wasn't induced but when i went into the 1st stage of labour i couldn't wee so was admitted to antenatal for observation (and regular catheters) . 4 women on the ward gave birth overnight on the antenatal, without their DP's present because delivery suite was full and it was ward policy to send partners home at 9 o'clock.hmm

Thanks hales ill keep an eye on his mouth.

That's awful about your hospital. I'm lucky that at my hospital they just have one ward for pre/post natal and partners are able to stay the whole time. Other partners were advised go go home, dp wasn't though for some reason good job though as I started labouring fairly quickly. Labour ward was closed most the time for the whole two and a half weeks we were in, it was one in one out kind of thing. The midwives said there was a bit of a baby boom, must have been the same across the country!

IsThatTrue Sun 24-Feb-13 16:15:27

stacks last night I put DS down for some tummy time and as his arms were behind him I tried to move them both in front so he could push himself up. But as I tried to do that he moved his head and properly face planted into the floor. It looked like it really hurt. And DH and 2 of his mates were there to witness is. I made him better with booby.

So don't worry about some juice, you could be a much worse mummy like me grin

Oh Hales that would be awful! My DP was sent home but seeing as my labour lasted from 3pm-4pm the next day he was there in plenty of time after my 6:30am heavy breathing phone call!

MaMaPo Sun 24-Feb-13 18:05:18

Thanks for the kind words Stacks (I was yesterday's pathetic mum!). Didn't end up goin out last night - too cold and I was too tired but we had friends over for takeaway which was lovely. Little miss slept well and we have had a relaxing day.

Something weird though - we decided to walk into town to do some shopping and on te way she really cracked it, started crying and getting really hoarse. We turned around, ready to abandon ship, and she gulped, stopped crying and fell asleep for 3 hours! We went into town, had cocktails and burgers for lunch, did some shopping and got home before she woke up. Amazing. Anyone else's little ones cry themselves into such calmness? It really took me aback.

Ds sometimes has a big old cry before he zonks out, I know many will disagree but I really do think that some babies need that cry before they fall asleep, obviously that's completely different to letting them CIO which I wouldn't do smile

Oh and glad you've had a better day smile

Ok, D managed to do a poo that exploded out of the top at the front of the nappy but missed the inside of the back (the usual place to find poo) and was all over his front. How on earth was that achieved?

The boy's got skills Honey wink

Impressed Honey

DS has been screaming the house down since I shocked him awake jumping at the walking dead! We've calmed him down and put him in bed but he's having nightmares now sad

halesball Sun 24-Feb-13 19:49:26

Haha honey sounds intriguing.

Glad your having a better day Mama.

Stacks hope you are feeling better now.

The hospital i was in had 18 births the on the 6th and Heidi was born at 1am on the 7th. The staff just couldn't cope. If i hadn't of had the birth experience i had, i wouldn't of believed it was true. I think thats the reason even thinking of another baby scares me. And those 4 poor women who actually gave birth without their DP's i bet they feel robbed.

Barbeasty Sun 24-Feb-13 19:58:11

A's got back into the habit of having a huge cry at around 8pm before falling asleep while I stand and rock him.

Stacks just wait until you have a stroppy toddler. Those submersions can be worryingly therapeutic...

I haven't left A as such so far, but DH takes him and DD to church every week (with MIL so he has help!) so I get about 2hrs peace each week. Brought to a rapid end when hungry DS gets back.

utopian99 Sun 24-Feb-13 20:53:58

Dh just took Ds for a nappy change and without any provocation he started screaming as if he was being tortured. Dh had done nothing out of the ordinary in any way - it really scared both of us, he sounded in real pain but for no reason we could work out, and now he's back to normal evening fussing. Any ideas?

WLmum Sun 24-Feb-13 21:05:14

stacks I have dropped lots of bits of food on dd, including rice in her ear, but felt awful when I dropped a biscuit crumb in dd1s eye!

utopian dd did exactly the same yesterday. Normally she likes having her nappy changed and that's when we get the best smiles but yesterday she really howled, it was very upsetting. She was very unsettled last night but seems ok today.

If we're heading out in the car seat or pram dd will always have a good cry before we get going as she doesn't like being stationary in either but soon falls asleep as we get moving. I have heard that some babies do need to cry for a bit to release tension and then relax and fall asleep. What's CIO spotty?

MaMaPo Sun 24-Feb-13 21:47:44

OK, so basically babies are weird!

Ugh - just took ages to get C to sleep, including 3 failed attempts in the cot. I think this tells me she isn't yet ready to put herself to sleep yet!

I agree WL, she's usually grumpy/squally in the pram before we get going and then calms down. But today, she was initially OK and then completely lost it after we got underway - she really sounded like she was in pain.

Right, I'm exhausted. Time to go to bed and let my husband do the 11-12 feed. Hopefully can get a good few hours.

MaMaPo Sun 24-Feb-13 22:03:22

I jinxed it - she's awake again. Grr.

CIO = cry it out. I didn't want anyone to think that's what I meant!

Eugh 2 1/2 hours and first wake up.

Oh no 3 hours, same as always smile eyes to bleary to read the time properly!

Why am I awake? J's asleep I should be too!

WLmum Mon 25-Feb-13 01:55:14

willyou after an awful night last night it took me ages to get to sleep and now I'm struggling to see/type!

spotty :-(. One day he'll go longer. I did do controlled crying with the big 2 to get them sleeping through but not til they were much older. It was awful (but short lived) but I was at breaking point.

WLmum Mon 25-Feb-13 02:00:42

We're up an hour earlier than usual. I guess that's what happens when she's refused sleep all day so was too tired to drink much at bedtime.

We're up again too hmm I'm not too worried. I'm pretty sure once in stop bf and switch to ff he will sleep better. I'm just not sure when ill ever want to do that!

WLmum Mon 25-Feb-13 02:08:26

2blessed fenugreek really does work but you have to take quite a lot - 3 capsules 3/4 times a day until you smell like maple syrup!

WLmum Mon 25-Feb-13 02:13:54

spotty funnily enough I was thinking about weaning today and how we're nearly half way to starting - time is flying by so fast! Quite looking forward to her being less boob dependent but also sad/scared about it.
She's just done a big wet burp all over my neck, possibly down my back and onto my pillow - nice! Too tired to care!

Ds has zonked out again! I know I can't believe we are halway there either! I would like to keep bf if he ever sleeps better but if after weaning he's still waking really frequently I might have to think again, I know that's pretty selfish blush

IsThatTrue Mon 25-Feb-13 02:31:57

We're up but we managed to skip the 12 feed so its been 4.5/5 hrs (I can't remember what time he fed.

WLmum Mon 25-Feb-13 02:41:44

Not selfish spotty you do need some sleep at some point! Hopefully he'll get better at this sleeping malarky soon.

Dd proving tricky to resettle after her feed. Keeps puking on the sheet :-( which wakes her up and needs boob to fall asleep again.

Oh dear WL hope she's settled now. I can't get back to sleep again!

IsThat that's a good chunk of sleep smile

And he's awake again after 90 minutes. I haven't been back to sleep yet hmm

IsThatTrue Mon 25-Feb-13 05:03:59

I hope you're sleeping spotty

WL ds2 gets sicky when he doesn't need the milk but is comfort sucking. Do you use a dummy ?

Has anyone else's LO ever taken a dummy fine and then started to fuss over it weeks later? Ds2 has had a sunny since birth pretty much with no problem. But in the last few days he's started to spit/pull it out all the time and I can't work out why.

Gosh I'm glad he just woke up, now my boobs will get some relief!

halesball Mon 25-Feb-13 05:08:33

Isthat, my LO refuses a dummy most the time, despite me trying to give her it alot. But very occasionally she'll take it.

I think H is getting ready to do a massive poo, shes got really really restless and keeps coming on and off my breast. She hasn't pooed for 36 hours so it'll be a large one,

EggsMichelle Mon 25-Feb-13 05:45:13

Thanks for all your kind words re DHs cousin, she was found last night, shaken but well. Would appear she wanted to go to London but got lost on the underground (I think we can all relate to that!)

F's sleep is just getting worse, thought ff babies slept well? He slept 9-1, 1.30-4.30 and didn't want to go back to bed. He's looking sleepy again now but we have to take DH to work at 6.30.

Wl I got plastered in sick yesterday, definitely greedy boy syndrome!

WLmum Mon 25-Feb-13 05:52:00

isthat I've tried giving her a dummy on and off since she was born and shes just not interested so I gave up. I'm still hoping she'lll find her thumb instead as she does obviously like to comfort suck. She sucks at her hands often when I've put her down if she's not completely zonked and in the sling before she goes off.

eggs that's good news

D has always happily had a dummy. When we worked out he could pull/spit it out he started doing it for fun-especially now he's worked out his to get hold of the handle and properly take it out bit then he gets upset and wants it back. Now he's working out how to put it back himself.

Completely liquid poo, normal colour and seems ok in himself- is this normal or so I need to worry?

We often have liquid poo.

Ds had a dummy from birth but won't take it anymore.

I've woken up with a really upset stomach, does anyone know if I can take Imodium? blush

IsThatTrue Mon 25-Feb-13 07:26:19

Honey ds2s poo is always liquid.

It's odd spotty that they were fine and now won't take it. I'm going to keep trying. Always found dummies to be lifesavers.

Well 2.30, 5 and 7 wake ups aren't bad I suppose. Dcs back to school today grin yay for normal routine! although ds2 is going to be a pita as he's had daddy and big bro and sis to entertain him while I work for a week and suddenly it'll just be me again

FriendofDorothy Mon 25-Feb-13 07:47:02

We have fairly liquid poo too. Seems normal for us. Edward gifted us by sleeping from midnight until 7.30am!

MaMaPo Mon 25-Feb-13 07:49:30

We always have liquid poo. In fact, the imminent arrival of the most recent one is why I haven't been back to sleep since the 6.15 feed. Yawn.

ISpyPlumPie Mon 25-Feb-13 08:24:12

Fantastic news Eggs.

Just catching up from the other day re slings - WL, N was 12 weeks on Saturday but he is quite big (16lb 1oz) so not sure if that helps with carrying him with his legs out of the sling.

utopian99 Mon 25-Feb-13 08:24:32

Ds keeps trying to sleep on his side in the hammock which is making me nervous he'll suffocate. I put him down on his back and he wriggles till he's pointing sideways. When do i have to think about a proper cot? Was hoping to buy once we've moved..

Also have has green poo on and off for a few days here. Time to call the hv? We're ebf.

PurplePidjin Mon 25-Feb-13 08:50:32

R has been legs out since birth, i didn't know there was another way blush

WLmum Mon 25-Feb-13 09:19:01

I tried legs out yesterday and she did seem more comfy, and actually so did I. She's also big (91st centile) and strong. Going to have her legs out again this morning when I take big dds to the park (inset day here for dd1).

We always had liquid pop before gaviscon. Green poo normal too.

Not sure about immodium spotty - when I had it it only lasted one aft/eve so not too bad.

Honey it could be the after effects of the injections. DS's poo was completely liquid for over a week after them. In fact they are still not really back to normal and it's nearly time for the next ones.

Glad to hear it Eggs

We've been up since 4:30am, just wouldn't settle after his feed. DP went to work at 5:30, so I stuck J in with me and dozed on and off.

I had the same thing last night Spotty, not fun. Imodium is not recommended during BF.

I feel a bit better now smile not sure what's going on with my body grin

Great news eggs must have been really worrying.

Utopian I'm not sure about the hammock I'm afraid.

Chloe55 Mon 25-Feb-13 09:43:22

Any news on the missing cousin?

I'm not convinced a switch to ff will help dd sleep longer as she has had a night of ff once and slept the same pattern, I just reckon I'd be awake more sorting bottles etc so bf here mainly for laziness grin

Have had the calm discussion with dh over the whole drunk in charge fiasco. He is upset i'd consider that he would get drunk if solely in charge, I explained if past weeks were anything to go by blah blah blah. Am glad he is sensible enough to not drink on his own with them (and I do trust he won't) but am sad that when I'm here and he offers to take over for a night so I can have a drink that he doesn't take the same stance sad

Thanks all. It's so lovely to have somewhere to come and discuss poo wink

Slings - D has always been legs in until I started wrapping last week when I started experimenting with legs out. He still seems more comfy legs in as he's quite little still

EggsMichelle Mon 25-Feb-13 10:11:37

Chloe she was found last night, she decided she wanted to visit London then got confused and lost on the underground.

Even with gaviscon we have the occasional liquid poo, think its a relief for F to not have to strain to push those poo out!

F refused to go back to sleep at 4.30, took DH to work at 6.30, and f was asleep in the car seat when I got back so naughty me I put the seat next to the bed, and we both slept another 2hrs, lovely!

Glad she was found eggs.
And not naughty- you need to take sleep where you can get it!

I was so good about leaving him in car seat for minimal time Eggs, stripped off and out as soon as we got home. Now he gets narky if you interrupt his nap so I leave him with his coat undone until he wakes. Especially when I'm unpacking the supermarket shop as that's when he's a nightmare.

EggsMichelle Mon 25-Feb-13 10:45:18

Willyou until he was 2wks old the car seat was the only place we could put him, but the MW told us off so for ages I was over cautious. Now I follow the dont wake a sleeping baby rule, and if he's happy I'm not disturbing him.

WLmum Mon 25-Feb-13 11:32:01

First giggle!

2blessed Mon 25-Feb-13 12:07:06

WL wow! How old is your LO? And thanks for the tip about fenugreek - love maple syrup smile

Good news eggs

I'm back in bed with ds on the boob, nice lazt day today Already told dp that I'm not cooking so freezer food for dinner. Had a really busy weekend, I moved at 26 weeks pregnant so lots still in boxes and this weekend was first when I had energy to start sorting through stuff and dp could look after ds.

I just had a two hour nap on the sofa smile

Chloe55 Mon 25-Feb-13 12:57:21

Doh I missed your previous post about her safe return eggs, great news though!

halesball Mon 25-Feb-13 14:06:16

Great news Eggs.

WL yay grin bet your so happy, H keeps trying but hasn't quite got it yet, although DP swears she giggles for him.

I've just had a lovely breastfeed with H, the type of one i want to do for my final feed. But because it was so nice its making me question whether i really want to quit. Grrr just when you think you've made a decision something comes along to make you question it. Plus like someone said last night BF is definitely a easier option for night feeds.

Oh and i'm still awaiting H's poo shock

MaMaPo Mon 25-Feb-13 14:09:33

I just had a lovely feed too - C went over 4 hours this morning between feeds very contentedly, and then fed nicely. When she stopped sucking and I looked down to see what was going on, more often than not she was grinning up at me with a mouth full of milk. Adorable.

She's just played calmly on her mat for 45 minutes while I did the pre-cleaner tidy-up, and is now in her cot while I experiment with 'can little C put herself to sleep?' So far she's playing but at least she ain't crying!

MaMaPo Mon 25-Feb-13 14:51:53

Well, what a failed experiment! She started crying, I tried to soothe her while she stayed in bed, and when that went nowhere got her up to cuddle her, which led to full-blown screaming meltdown, only fixed by giving her a quick feed. She then fell asleep OK in my arms.

I can't envisage the day when she can put herself to sleep! She gets herself into such a state.

halesball Mon 25-Feb-13 15:01:13

Mama, i love that grin grin and that day will come when you least expect it. How nice is it that you can comfort her with the breast though

MaMaPo Mon 25-Feb-13 16:49:43

Yes, thank goodness for that hales - nothing else really works.

So my pram has become unusable - I just took c out in it and she screamed absolute blue murder, worse than when she got her jabs. Just screamed and screamed, everyone giving me accusing and/or sympathetic looks. Had to abandon walk around park.

Any ideas what the hell is going on? Second day this has happened, except this time was worse. I need to be able to use the pram! Help!

pmgkt Mon 25-Feb-13 16:55:17

Ed was weighed today and has put on 2lb 7oz, up to 9th centile from 0.2 in 5 weeks. If I'm not careful he will soon be out of his newborn clothes and I'll need to unpack the 0-3 months! He is 9 weeks old.

That's great pmgkt! Ds is on the 9th centile too for his actual age but still looks chunky!

Mamapo I have no idea confused all I can suggest is that hopefully it's a phase and will pass

I know quite a few people mentioned they put tights on LO under trousers or rompers. They don't get too hot do they? When he's in the sling his feet get cold because he kicks his socks off so was thinking of putting him in tights but as he's usually just in trousers worried he might get too warm.

Ds doesn't get too hot but if you're worried then you can buy things called sock ons. You can get them in sainsburys smile

I'd rather just put tights on him... lazy mummy

Pink flowery tights... wink

PurplePidjin Mon 25-Feb-13 18:20:08

R wears a vest and sleepsuit then his outfit over the top. He seems comfy enough in it. I put hat and bootees on if we go out in the sling, or snowsuit for car/pram-only trips smile

MaMaPo Mon 25-Feb-13 18:26:33

Hmm, no ideas about proper clothing! I confess I think I am a typical Australian and keep under-dressing my baby as I can't conceive of how cold it actually is out there.

About my screamy baby in pram - since we've been home she's fed off and on (distress+witching hour, I suspect) and she's been sick a lot, the horrid curdled type. This is really unusual for her -normally she only possets, with proper sick only occasionally. For those with more sicky babies - is this likely to be the culprit for the screaminess? I feel quite dumb asking this question!

She's fine now - happily chatting to her colourful butterfly on the playmat and being good so we can wait for dad to come home for bathtime. Amazing dinner tonight - husband cooked osso bucco yesterday (but cheated using oxtail) so we'll have that for dinner tonight. Just need to make some gremolata and risotto alla milanese. I love my cheffy husband!

WLmum Mon 25-Feb-13 19:04:19

2blessed T is 10 weeks tom.

mama yes, belly ache could well be the source of the screaming - imagine lying flat on your back and being jiggled around if you had a belly ache! And they can't bring up wind on their backs v easily so again is extra uncomfy. Has she had a cold? Mucus gets stuck in the belly and results in horrid curdled sick too. Not nice, but all these reasons means it will pass.

hales always the way! Being able to boob comfort it a bigey here - can't imagine having to pace the floor etc when I get to sit and just let her at my boobs to cure fussiness. Still, you must do what's right for you all round.

I tried sock ons with dd1/2? They were rubbish! The best were some soft leather shoes mil bought back from oz but I have seen similar here.

Oh yes WL they do those types of shoes in JoJo maman bebe

WLmum Mon 25-Feb-13 20:03:38

Thems the ones. Expensive but really do stay on and warm too. Just feeding t to sleep and bed. Will join her asap!

Chloe55 Mon 25-Feb-13 20:22:47

Dd was a bit unsettled and I feel crappy so we have had a nice snuggly feed in bed and she is fast on next to me now smile

Forgot who was having the fancy meal now and on phone so can't check but what actually is the osso whatever it was called?!

Same here WL bit ds is being a bit grumpy and sicky so no sure it's going to work hmm

MaMaPo Mon 25-Feb-13 20:31:44

Chloe - Osso bucco! Usually made with veal or beef shin, basically you cook down the meat in wine, tinned tomatoes, stock, garlic and herbs, for hours until it all falls off the bone. A real winters dish, serve with saffron risotto and plenty of cheese. Mmmm.

Nice snuggly feed sounds lovely. C just fed lots, is asleep on me and I'm about to risk putting her to bed. Fx.

And he's gone! Fingers crossed for some good nights ladies.

Mamapo that sounds amazing I'm very jealous dp has never cooked me a 'proper' meal in over six years! I think spag Bol is as good as it gets, and only with a jar!

MaMaPo Mon 25-Feb-13 21:11:42

Spotty, I know how lucky I am. We both love to cook but he's the one who taught me how to love it. Just finished dinner, it was super tasty (I had seconds!) and even though C woke up as I put her down, she settled and is fast asleep. So I get to enjoy my wine and Danish drama in peace. smile

Fx for everyone else!

EggsMichelle Mon 25-Feb-13 21:15:03

DH has put F to bed, only the second time he has done it, the first time was such a disaster he was scared to do it again. And since I haven't heard a squeak for over an hour, I assume they are both tucked up in bed asleep!

I love risotto, DH cooked it this evening with chicken and broccoli. Now I'm not bf-ing, the diet has commenced! Have no excuses now to live off chocolate biscuits and ice cream!

halesball Mon 25-Feb-13 21:48:17

Eggs do you miss BF? I'm really doubting my decision to give it up when my boobs are completely clear of Mastitis now we've had such nice feeds today.

bohoec Mon 25-Feb-13 21:56:20

Oo, new thread. Hi everyone!

Pmgkt - that's EXACTLY the same as my LO. She dropped down to the 0.4th centile (bf issues, despite trying harder than I've ever tried at anything in life!). She's on formula only now (we did combination feeding for a bit) and has gone up to the 9th... I'm so sad that some of the newborn clothes are too small now! People keep telling me she looks about 3 weeks old, ha! I'm just so delighted she's putting on weight - she's like a completely different baby :-)

I've only just spotted the thread, so haven't had a read what you're all up to, but I will...

X

ISpyPlumPie Mon 25-Feb-13 22:09:46

Great news about the weight gain pmkgt.

Honey - I've been thinking about tights for N too as he's not great at keeping socks on and I worry that one will fall off when he's in the sling, and I somehow won't notice so he'll get a frozen foot!

We've started getting some chuckles too - well, it has to be said they've mainly been for DH but he did have a big giggle just before his bath tonight. Boy seems to love being nekkid atm.

IsThatTrue Mon 25-Feb-13 22:18:15

honey I put socks on under a sleep suit. Or I sometimes use a white sleep suit as an under layer so sleep suit, trousers and top/jumper. Or for girls a white sleep suit under a dress instead of tights.

Ds2 went down wonderfully at 7 but woke at 8 and needed a poo so was awake happily until half 9 and has since been very unsettled with me and not happy enough to go into his bed. Poor thing.

Was feeding him earlier and couldn't stop laughing as he was laid there grinning and licking my nipple! He looked very pleased with himself! It was very cute.

WLmum Mon 25-Feb-13 22:30:45

ispy who doesn't love a nudey baby! It's my fave thing to see them in their altogether and just think how marvellous it all is. Nudey baby is familiar gleeful cry round here! I even still feel like that about the big 2 even though dd1 is nearly 6. I'll be so so sad when she starts feel embarrassed and loses that lovely innocence. I'm not a weirdo perv honestly!

Secondsop Tue 26-Feb-13 01:32:38

Well, WE MADE IT - 24 hours of flights, 3 big pooey nappies (he's normally a once-a-day pooer), hardly any crying or spitting up. A very good little boy. We are now in rainy Melbourne.

WLmum Tue 26-Feb-13 01:45:29

Wow seconds! glad it all went smoothly.

This feed seems to be getting earlier and earlier. Nights have definitely taken a big step backwards. I didn't go to bed soon after dds, spent a good hour sitting up chatting with DH - seems like ages since I've seen him! Then had a shower as no way I'll have time before school run tom which woke me right up! Fx she settles easily after this feed.

Yay seconds! Have a great time!

First wake up four and half hours, longest ever!!

halesball Tue 26-Feb-13 02:18:50

Have a great time seconds grin

Yay Spotty FX this is the mythical turning point.

WL FX your LO changes back to your normal routine soon.

Well we've been upstairs since half 8 when H fell asleep up at 11:30 and up again now. I'm just chuft as this is the earliest we've managed to get her down. grin

EggsMichelle Tue 26-Feb-13 02:24:29

Welcome Bohoec! Seconds did you have any problems with his ears popping?

Hales I am still feeding once in the morning and expressing once at night so I still have the option to comfort feed if he can't wait for the bottle (so far only done this once)although my supply has dramatically reduced and not engorged anymore. I switched to ff as we would spend all day feeding and he would be hungry and frustrated and miserable, but since switching he is happy and content, taking longer naps in the day, and the fact he takes 6oz every 2hrs I could never produce that! I miss the closeness but I can see he is happier which makes the difference.

EggsMichelle Tue 26-Feb-13 02:26:02

And yay Spotty, hope this it progress!

Secondsop Tue 26-Feb-13 02:54:40

eggs no problems with ears; we gave him a dummy which he sucked on which must have helped him but there were also points during the ascent / descent that he didnt have it in and he seemed fine.

I also had some adventures in public breastfeeding on the plane and in the departure lounge.

IsThatTrue Tue 26-Feb-13 04:11:04

Oh seconds enjoy!

Yay spotty fx he's going to let you sleep more now!

Well this is my first wake up! shock 6 hours! I'm not going to fool myself that this will happen very often but it really refreshes me when it does!

Ooh well done Seconds hope you have a lovely time.

Would it be wrong to sit DS down and calming explain that mummy needs some sodding sleep and 4am is jot the time to abseil down her using her hair for support? I am in danger of cracking!

utopian99 Tue 26-Feb-13 04:31:04

Hurray spotty! O went down at midnight (asleep at 10.30 on my lap but promptly woke up when i had to put him into his grobag and then did massive poo..) Slept from 12-4 with a bit of hammock rocking and put him down at a sort of 3/4 angle so partially on his side not flat on back. Think it genuinely makes him happier.

Good news for differing reasons eggs and seconds, loving your meals mama; dh can cook pretty well but it takes time and these days I tend to be the one leading the way but with him as sous chef. He takes great pride in slicing and dicing everything so I get to stand at the hob saying 'bring this, chop these', like Gordon ramsey! grin

8 week jabs tomorrow. Not looking forward to it. Poor little man... sad

WLmum Tue 26-Feb-13 06:25:11

Well done baby spotty!

Try it willyou let us know how he takes it!

Saphiesgirl Tue 26-Feb-13 07:24:47

Hi folks, glad to have found you! Lost track after the birth and over Christmas. Dd had a rocky start- hospitalised at 3wks old with bronchiolitis. Was in a week but now much better. Still has a wee wheeze but dr says that may last up to a year.
Bf going well, she's settled on 99th centile after born a respectable 8lb5!! If only my 3yr old would sleep through the night all would be great, dd is sleeping very well. Sorry for "me" post, off to catch up with your news...

2blessed Tue 26-Feb-13 07:30:16

utopian ds has got jabs tomorrow too, really not looking forward to it...

Ds went to sleep at 12.30 after playing and chatting for an hour and woke up a little after 6. Feel a bit out of sorts cos he was very clingy last night so I didn't get to do my end of day routine - dishes, sterilise bottles, disinfect changing mat etc Also not much support from dp, he crashed out early knackered after working overtime sat and sun.

Today is a new day!

Glad your dd is getting better Saphie, sounds like she loves her milk!

Well after going down at 9 ds woke at 1:30, 4:30 and up at 7 smile good job as I've got a really busy day: friend and her dd coming for coffee this morning, shopping delivery between 9&10, doctors at 11:45 then suzie songtime for dd this afternoon will hopefully manage a quick pit stop home for lunch beforehand.

Chloe55 Tue 26-Feb-13 07:59:19

Welcome back saphie, sorry to hear about the bad start but glad all is well now.

I am so envy of all the great sleepers. I shouldn't complain as when dd wakes its generally just to feed or poo then straight back off again but I'd rather she only did this since it twice, not 3,4 or sometimes 5 timeshmm

hales take each day as it comes, if you are not sure you want to give up bf then don't just yet, you can give up anytime-it will be much more difficult to start if you stop. I regret giving up with ds after I got mastitis, especially now I know it gets easier. Saying that, you have to do what's right for you and if it makes you miserable then its a no brainer.

Ooh mama that meal sounds gorgeous!!

I would be the size of a house if I stopped bf, am back at slimming world and its gradually coming off but I am being super disciplined on the chocolate/high fat front.

Chloe three wakings is standard for us so I feel your pain! I haven't list any weight with breastfeeding in fact I think I'm the biggest I've ever been my whole life shock

Hales I agree with Chloe, if you're not 100% sure it's what you want then wait a little bit. You can stop anytime but starting again isn't so easy. Maybe give it another week?

EggsMichelle Tue 26-Feb-13 08:30:06

I don't know what's going on with F's sleep, he's been up at 4.30 the last two mornings, it's ruining me! I have the estate agent round at 11 to value the house, got to decide whether we are selling or renting the house out.

And I hate being employed by the NHS! I'm pretty sure they have ruined my pay (waiting for pay slip to arrive) and DH hasn't been paid at all. You would think one of the biggest employers in the world could get their shit together. At least now the diet is well on the way as I can't afford nice food!

ISpyPlumPie Tue 26-Feb-13 08:31:49

Have a fantastic time Seconds.

That must have been scary Saphie, glad your DD is on the mend now.

12.30 - 7.00 shock.

MaMaPo Tue 26-Feb-13 08:41:16

Seconds - have a fab time. What are you doing while you're there? I hope going out to eat some amazing Vietnamese food. I miss it! Have a great recommendation if you want it.

Yay spotty for some amazing sleep! C has done consistet 3-3.5 hours, not too bad. However, I woke up around 2 feeling awful - nausea, headaches and cramps, and have been waiting to get properly sick. Nothing has eventuated so far and I feel very slightly better.

Eggs the nhs are always messing up my sister's pay, that's when they remember to pay her hmm

Saphiesgirl Tue 26-Feb-13 09:54:25

Glad yo have caught up now, sorry to hear all the disrupted sleep and hooray for those who manage good nights. Im trying to sleep train my 3yr old as he's still up at night, but 9wk old is up 1/2 times a night has even gone all night (7hrs) on odd occasion but I do nothing differently. Seems that some babies sleep and some don't. Not that it's any consolation!

I have 40 minutes to get myself, dd and ds all fed and dd and ds clean nappies and out the house aaaahhhhhhhh!!!!

Oh and the nurse at the doctors, after asking me how often ds wakes at night and me replying every 2-3 hours, said, 'Gosh, that's quite a lot at his age isn't it?' hmmangry

MaMaPo Tue 26-Feb-13 13:33:30

You would have been entitled to punch her for that comment.

IsThatTrue Tue 26-Feb-13 15:35:01

spotty ignor that nurse, the hv told me to not let DS sleep more than 4 hrs. So if he went down at 7 then he'd wake 11 (after my bedtime) and 3 which is 2 wakings. And she was pushing for 3 hrs so there would be 3/4 then. These people love to contradict themselves/each other!

ISpyPlumPie Tue 26-Feb-13 15:37:31

Spotty - how supremely unhelpful!

Just got the appt for Ns next lot of jabs - and an appt for DS1s pre-school boosters on the same day. That's going to be a fun morning hmm

Secondsop Tue 26-Feb-13 17:29:37

spotty - ugh, that's such an infuriating comment!!

mamapo i will graciously accept your vietnamese food tip. we'll be staying with relatives, showing off the baby, and also going on a little road trip just the 3 of us - haven't decided exactly where yet. On which note I'm a bit cross with the car seat hire place - I told MIL to order a newborn insert which she duly did, but when FIL went to pick it up the woman asked how old the baby was (nearly 3 months) said that people don't usually use them beyond 6 weeks, and didnt fit it (not FIL's fault as hadn't been part of the hiring so didnt know to question it). Um, I think we, the people who've been driving around said baby since birth, will be the judge of whether or not we still need it! At 6 weeks Z only just got back to his birth weight! It's too early to ditch the insert for him and he screamed the whole way home from the airport, which may just have been exhaustion but normally he loves the car and goes straight to sleep; he was in a more curled-up position than normal without the insert.

He's having a tricky first night but has finally settled in the bassinet (I let him cuddle next to me but didnt want him there all night as I am a bit worried about safety what with me being jet lagged and not having co-slept in this bed before). I did have to hold his hand to help him to sleep though - poor little dude.

Stacks Tue 26-Feb-13 17:37:05

Quick question - do you all still wash brand new baby clothes before using them? T is 9 weeks, will his skin still be that sensitive?

Aww seconds I often have to hold D's hand for him to get to sleep in his basket.

D finally fell asleep on me 20 mins ago and then the asda order arrived.i went to the door with him wrapped in a blanket and the lovely lovely delivery driver unpacked it all for me so I didn't have to wake D up. The littlest things really do mean the world sometimes.

I don't stacks because I am supremely lazy and probably a bad mother

I don't unless I'm putting a wash on anyway grin

Ds has been asleep all day hmm

Seconds how annoying. Very envy that you're on holiday though smile

MaMaPo Tue 26-Feb-13 17:48:09

Seconds - how frustrating about the carseat! I hope you get it fixed up for him.

Best Viet food (in my opinion) is at Thanh Nga 9, on Victoria Street in Richmond. There are scores of Viet restaurants on Victoria Street but that one is the best. Minh Minh is also great and does some Lao dishes as well.

If you want some cool cafes and food, try Smith Street in Collingwood - that's my neck of the woods and I love it! Gertrude Street is just around the corner and is filled with excellent galleries, cafes, pubs and restaurants.

Hmm - road trip! Have you been up towards Daylesford/Mount Macedon/Castlemaine? Really pretty, some great food and wineries, and only an hour to 2 hours from Melbourne, an easy drive. (I am biased, I got married in Daylesford!) Otherwise the Yarra Valley is an easy distance and again, great food and wine. You can also go to Healesville to the Sanctuary and see all the Australian wildlife. Otherwise, the Great Ocean Road is always a beautiful drive and shouldn't be as hectic now that school has gone back.

I hope you have a great time! I am looking forward to my trip there more than ever...

Anyway, C had her BCG injection this morning. She howled, but recovered fast (much better than the routine jabs) and has been an excellent girl today with no pram-related screaming fit. Thank god! She has, however, completely rejected the dummy now and insists on feeding to sleep in the afternoon. Hmmm...

Stacks, yes still have been washing new clothes - not that many of them, so it's not too big a task.

Secondsop Tue 26-Feb-13 17:52:02

OH on a better note: my post natal GTT was normal. BRING ON THE CAKE! BRING. ON. THE. CAKE.

seconds grin

Secondsop Tue 26-Feb-13 17:58:35

mamapo we went to daylesford last time -
I loved it! We're thinking of going again this time and staying overnight. We might go up to the Murray as that was where my husband went on lots of holidays as a child. I went to healsville a few years ago; there is talk of possibly going to Philip Island again with my husband's cousin, where we went to a lovely animal park and also saw the penguins. Will check out your recommendations for other places. I think the road trip might involve ballarat too. We did the great ocean road last time although it was miserable weather so all I really saw was a great wall of grey and I was constantly afraid of landslips ESP as i saw little bits of earth tumbling down on more than one occasion. In fact they closed the road the next day.

Secondsop Tue 26-Feb-13 18:01:47

Re baby clothes - I wouldn't have bothered but my husband is obsessive about it so he washed them. (He does most of the laundry in fact). I dont think it's just a baby thing though - he washes all new clothes before wearing them.

D us still asleep on me. Bedtime is in an hour and a half... Should I wake him up?

MaMaPo Tue 26-Feb-13 18:12:28

Finish this sentence Honey - never wake a ... smile

I wouldn't - I might reconsider if he's still asleep in an hour though.

IsThatTrue Tue 26-Feb-13 18:16:29

stacks I've never washed new baby clothes because in an awful mother 3 dcs all still very much alive and no skin problems to speak of.

seconds very envy of your holiday. We are brassic atm so no hope of any holidays in the foreseeable!

I know mama just terrified of not sleeping tonight. I'm so tired I need to sleep and so does DH!

Just put him to bed a bit later honey. I like to give it two hours from last nap to bed time

MaMaPo Tue 26-Feb-13 18:36:04

Little C naps frequently leading up to bedtime. She tends to sleep ok, but her natural bedtime is 8.30pm. Only just worked that out! Attempts to put her down earlier kept failing...

Chloe55 Tue 26-Feb-13 18:39:13

dd's natural bedtime seems to be 6.30pm, ds was the same as a baby. Great for me who spends all day with them but not great for dh sad , have tried to keep her up beyond this and she generally is ratty til she goes down so not worth it.

What time is she up in the morning after going down then chloe

halesball Tue 26-Feb-13 18:52:12

Stacks i've never washed the clothes before H has worn them either.

Seconds soenvy of your holiday oh and enjoy the cake.

H doesn't seem to have developed a natural bedtime yet, shes still quite hit and miss. I know on the bad nights though she'll go about 4am so i record plenty on sky plus.

Ds's bedtime tends to be between eight and nine. He's just had his bath and will need a few times before I feed him lying down and he'll go off

MaMaPo Tue 26-Feb-13 19:20:07

Last night was a good example of C's routine (when it happens) - bed at 8.30, dream feed around 11.30-midnight, feeds around 3 and 6 and then up around 8am. Unfortunately, lots of mornings she doesn't get back to sleep after the 6am feed, which is a bad start to the day. She's already overtired by 9am!

At the min D goes to bed about half 7-8 ish as he refuses to be put down downstairs so we settle him before we have dinner. He normally sleeps by 8.30 and on a good night goes till about 2 (on a bad night till about 11) then feeds every hour and a half - 2 hours till about 6. (I get up at 5 with DH to have a shower and express before he goes to work) then sometimes we'll lie down again till 7.30. He doesn't nap for more than 10mins at a time normally during the day though.

WLmum Tue 26-Feb-13 20:00:55

Ooh cake, don't mind if I do! I just instructed DH to stop on his way home and get me something xhocolately that I can have with custard!

How cute holding their little hands til they are asleep - aw!

Dont know that Tabs has had anything new to wash what with being my third girl and all!

Straw poll ladies - though Tabs is generally sleeping well at night (touch wood) she just won't nap at home during the day (generally does well in the car or pram if we're