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November 2012 - Forget 50 books in 2013, we'll have 50 threads

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StuntNun Wed 20-Feb-13 09:35:18
ValiumQueen Wed 20-Feb-13 09:45:38

At least!

ComradeJing Wed 20-Feb-13 11:46:28

Marking place smile

PetiteRaleuse Wed 20-Feb-13 11:55:45

At this rate I feel we are aiming far higher smile

Kyzordz Wed 20-Feb-13 13:10:17

Marking place smile

Pikz Wed 20-Feb-13 13:34:14

Come on the quiche

Donnadoon Wed 20-Feb-13 13:38:23

We deserve a reward Shirley? MNHQ?

kirrinIsland Wed 20-Feb-13 14:27:30

Marking place smile

GTbaby Wed 20-Feb-13 15:18:26

Oh how will I keep up between puking and sleeping?

DH tried to dtd last night. No way! Lol. Not till I'm injected with contraception. So no dtd till October. Lol. N with two LO under 1. It still will never happen.

Donnadoon Wed 20-Feb-13 15:21:13

Hey GT wondered how you'd been?

PurplePidjin Wed 20-Feb-13 15:57:56

Signing in brew homestart lady came this afternoon and I've made dal, lamb stew, shepherd's pie and mushroom risotto!

Sophiathecheesefairy Wed 20-Feb-13 16:12:32

Good one pp

PennieLane Wed 20-Feb-13 16:22:34

Yum PP.

Surrounded by builders here. They keep smoking even though I have asked them not to because of LO. angry

Clarella Wed 20-Feb-13 17:09:52

checking in! will try n keep up this time!!

<marks place>

PurplePidjin Wed 20-Feb-13 17:43:49


A friend's wife died recently, she had leukaemia, dementia and Parkinsons. Neither of them have met R, although if she'd been well enough to know then they most likely would have. They're the kind of people, i think, where a large turn out is a mark of respect. Would it be ok to take R and lurk at the back? He normally sleeps at that time...

MissMummy1 Wed 20-Feb-13 17:51:46

marks place smile

kirrinIsland Wed 20-Feb-13 17:56:20

I think so pp - esp if you're prepared tp sneak out if r gets noisy. Sorry to hear that, very sad.

PurplePidjin Wed 20-Feb-13 18:24:22

I'd have him in the sling and pop out at the slightest squeak!

She was in her 80s and very ill.

ValiumQueen Wed 20-Feb-13 18:29:47

I think it will be very comforting if you go pp circle of life 'n' all.

BigPigLittlePig Wed 20-Feb-13 18:50:03

Well done vq - thought I could sneakily nick the thread-ending-glory but it wasn't to be!

Lovely day with my gran today, we also have a miss fartalot here, much to grans amusement. Very unladylike though!

Am off to check out the octopus...!

ValiumQueen Wed 20-Feb-13 18:50:24

Nearly bp nearly!

TheDetective Wed 20-Feb-13 19:04:58

I wish to be grumpy and sulk but I really can't be arsed. So fed up of being fed up!

Instead I am going to have a lush bath, and order no one to come the fuck near me for at least 30 minutes!

Oh crap. Is that the time? Fuck. We haven't even had tea. And I've not put it on. Whoooooops.

BigPigLittlePig Wed 20-Feb-13 19:10:31

Loving the octopus! I have no talent or patience to do anything like that. I am going to try to make a quilt though with some of LOs old clothes. Talking of clothes, loads of ebay stuff arrived, am chuffed to bits with some of it, there's some beautiful things there.

detective car iinsurance is gay. Am glad I put dh on the insurance a few years ago, as he had no no-claims bonus. We couldn't afford to insure him now if he hadn't already been on there. Stupid equality laws hmm Enjoy your bath, not jealous at all, noooo not me.

Elizadoesdolittle Wed 20-Feb-13 19:11:22

Marking place. Got a couple of friends coming over to watch the Brits. Got a Thai chicken curry simmering, DD1 just about to go to bed and E is sleeping. Life is good grin.....although E will probably wake just as I'm about to eat dinner and spoil the glass of wine I'm going to treat myself too!

I think that sounds fine pp

I have a question for you all. Can you tell me what time your baby is going to bed for the night? We've managed to get babylaughalot to go down by 10pm (most nights anyway) instead of midnight, but I know this should be earlier and I should be aiming for around 7pm and just wondered how many of your little ones are actually asleep by this time at this age?

GTbaby Wed 20-Feb-13 19:23:52

Pp I would go. In LO gets cranky step out.

Hi dona and lane. I'm feeling as rough as a badgers arse. I'm sure that's an actual saying and I've not made it up.
Meds have stopped me puking except in morning (noon by the time i wake up) but that's ok.
Jut been crap all the time. DH has been helping alot (hence in bed till noon). He does morning feed.
And have booking in app on Saturday.

Off to India in two weeks. Although MAY have to post pone our trip as SIL hasn't had her baby yet, due 14th now booked in for an induction on 26th. We won't go unless she has the baby first...

In bed now. Might start on a mini dexter marathon.

BigPigLittlePig Wed 20-Feb-13 19:24:26

No chance here miss
Into bedclothes, plus/minus bath, between 7 and 8, then feeds/naps until 9 or 9.30, then bed. Evenings? What are they?!

kissyfur Wed 20-Feb-13 19:25:04

Glass of wine sounds like just what I need too Eliza! smile

Crap day, LO been crying every time I put her down. Probably a good job there's no booze in the house!

GTbaby Wed 20-Feb-13 19:29:26

Miss laugh alot. LO is in bed now... But that's the first time in ages!

I was bringing him up at 6/7 n stuff. But last week when MS got bad I was in bed two days n DH took over. Since LO has been in bed at 8/9ish. But his has all coincided with him sleeping thro again! Yeppie.

He has done a couple 12 hour stretches! But mostly 10 hours. grin The first night he cried at 4.30. I was so bad couldn't get out of bed. N DH took ages, by the time I shoved him enough to wake him LO was asleep again smile second night same thing. Third night slept through.

glendathefedupwitch Wed 20-Feb-13 19:31:32

Grrrrrrr!! Collected Dottie early as had done what housework I had allocated myself today don't want to be too fly and was sat there bored so went and got her for cuddles - which meant I had prepped dinner but she wanted feeding just as the salmon needed cooking - dh did it all brings it in ala half raw salmon and cold watercress sauce!!! My favouritist dinner and he balls it up!!! Thank god there's a bottle of wine in the fridge!!!

detective car insurance is a rip off though him being fussy as to which car he has would confused me - surely you should get the bigger car for Oscar and his accompaniments?? I have the big car for kids/baby/dog/big shop/eBay pick ups while he has the stupidly tiny micro car - though we did mange 2 trips to France in it with 4 of us plus crap - was v cramped!! Though on our recent jaunt to Manchester I still manage to fill the whole of the boot with what if crap - what if we need the play mat, what if we need the steriliser lol

In other news my box of sweets arrived but there's not a chance it will all fit in the silly little gift box I bought!!! Either I fashion my own or make another trip into town!! Or I could just eat enough sweets til they fit??? Anyone want a dib dab or pineapple cube??

Passmethecrisps Wed 20-Feb-13 19:31:35

<admires new thread>

Hallo you lovely bosomy bunch

P has been marginally less grumpy today so she might just avoid being swapped for a kitten.

Hope tutoring goes well MM. I doubt anyone will notice some baby vom. I once taught a class of seniors with my blouse completely unbuttoned. Noone said a thing.

Insurance costs are scandalous detective. Enjoy your bath.

miss p goes to sleep at 7pm and stays asleep until we wake her at 10:30 for meds. Don't know why - in fact I suspect she would like it earlier if she could. I wish I could bottle P's sleep and post it to you all as long as we keep enough for us!

Another cunting thread grin

Why oh why after feeling fed up yesterday, I've come home tonight at 6pm, bedtime to do and I'm in the mood for fucking cleaning. What's wrong with me?! Wierdo

miss M goes down between half 9 and half 10 for the night. She's tired from earlier but doesn't give in

detective That sounds shit. Anyone who changes car on a policy would be to a newly owned car. Nobheads! Would it not have been cheaper to cancel and start a new policy with someone else?

When I passed my test years ago, I passed end of April, DHs insurance was up for renewal at end August. He rang up to add me to the insurance as a named driver and the twats wanted £550!!! For 4 months as a named driver. I bought my own car, got my own policy and that only cost £650 in my name. When he renewed in sept he added me then as a named driver and it ended up being only £50 more. I reckon they just pluck numbers from the air

Clarella Wed 20-Feb-13 19:41:01

miss, we are ditto to bigpig - can conk out anywhere between 7:30 and 9:30 following cluster feeds that usually start about 7. what happens after that is anyones guess!

we had first baby sensory class today. it was good and I can nick loads of ideas for school was so proud that g - now ten weeks - was showing off his holding head up tummy time! he's only little though and all the wind has strengthened his arching back!

ChunkyChicken Wed 20-Feb-13 19:43:23

Marking spot.

Have had a good day today but a bit of a grumpy baby - he hasn't napped much & is not happy about it. Will try to catch up & be back later...

TheDetective Wed 20-Feb-13 19:54:11

BPLP Gay they are!

miss O started off 11-12pm bedtimes. We started waking him around 9, and he started sleeping at 9-10pm. Then suddenly, with no prompting, or idea he was going to do it, the last 4 nights he has been falling asleep around 7.30pm, stirring for a feed between 9.30-10.30 depending on what time he last fed, then going back down.

HOWEVER. He is waking 4 hourly through the night, where as previously he was sleeping 7-8 hours. With one 9.5 hour stint.

Not sure what I prefer right now! confused. One 6 hour stretch would be good?! Just one?! Last night he did a 6 hour stretch, except he was bloody well awake and not interested in feeding, as opposed to sleeping and not interested in feeding. He woke at 3.30 and fed, then woke at 7.30 to start the day, but then didn't feed til 9.30. Gah.

Glenda I can manage in my car okay, not liking the fact it is a 3 door, but I'll manage for now. He wants the bigger car for his fucking legs hmm. He is 6ft1. I'm tempted to just go out and get my new car now. I can't really afford it, but then once it comes back from being repaired next week, its due MOT/Tax. I could use that money for a month or 2's payments, and the rest of the money from DP's car for another month or 2. I'll have a look in to it. I'm planning on getting a very very cheap car to run. grin Think less than band C for tax, and 50-60mpg minimum!

pass At this rate i'll be asleep before I get a bath!! D'oh!

Fatima We tried every possible combination of insurances. Cancelling and taking a new policy with them (for they still came back the cheapest by a long way) would have cost £450 (as opposed to the £320 we paid out to swap car over), and he would have lost nearly half a year no claims, and when you only have 1 year, you don't want to lose even a day!


PetiteRaleuse Wed 20-Feb-13 19:54:12

Many years ago I worked in the City as an insurance broker. I can guarantee that insurance companies are prize cunts.

kissyfur Wed 20-Feb-13 19:54:47

Miss you are not alone. LO doesn't go to bed properly until we do at about 10:30/11 - despite my efforts!! I am trying to put her to bed now, Ewan is on, she's had a good feed, but every time I attempt to transfer she wakes up crying! She's not slept much at all today either confused She does sometimes nap in her carry cot when she is downstairs in the evenings tho.

BigPigLittlePig Wed 20-Feb-13 20:09:30

LO has had a 10 minute snooze this morning and an hours nap this afternoon confused. I hope this means she'll sleep well? <crosses everything>

PurplePidjin Wed 20-Feb-13 20:09:38

R dropped off on me at the end of Hollyoaks 7:30 so we came up and did the bedtime routine - crib+mobile while i change, then his turn for night nappy and sleeping bag. He's cluster fed this evening for the first time in a while, please pray to the sleepy fairies that he goes back to sleeping well?! Last night the longest stint was 2 1/2 hours <sob> he's having a spurt/adjust because night feeds are down to 30-40 mins for 1 1/4 hours plus.

Dp and i spend our evenings in bed with book/tablet, sometimes dvd or radio <rock n roll>

YellowWellies Wed 20-Feb-13 20:17:11

He he he PR you make me laugh - I love a good swear. Pass shock. on the blouse he he that sounds like something that would happen to me.

All good here just biting my nails down to stumps about the mortgage, could do with a fucking big bottle of wine wine !

DS normally falls off his perch between 7.30 and 9pm depending on if he fancies cluster feeding or how much he's slept in the day. Did a 7 mile walk this afternoon to watch the sunset and the little darling managed to stay awake in the buggy for over an hour shock little nap avoider - hence he's just crashed and burned in a hissy fit off to sleep...

GT lovely to hear from you xx

Pikz Wed 20-Feb-13 20:21:46

Glenda I love a dibdab

Laugh a lot my LO goes to bed between 6.45 and 7.30 every night. It's lovely to have an evening and LO sleeps til 12.30/1 and then til 4.30/5 and again til 7.30.

I thought I'd missed fucking Wednesday happy to hear I sodding haven't.

Detective all insurance companies are cunts.

Is it wrong that I'm a bit in love with James corden...

Pikz Wed 20-Feb-13 20:24:25

I found the upside of all the fucking expressing... I got on here... Now he's mainly on formula I don't get to read as much.

Shitting heck just poured red wine all down me...

BigPigLittlePig Wed 20-Feb-13 20:24:54

I'm off to fucking bed because dh is pissing me off snoring on the sofa so I can't fucking hear the fucking tv. Fuckity fuck it's making me cross.

Good fucking night one and all.

PetiteRaleuse Wed 20-Feb-13 20:27:40

One of the readons I love Dexter is because of how much his sister says fuck. Cracks me up.

ValiumQueen Wed 20-Feb-13 20:27:41

After going to bed, and I use the term loosely, between 11 and 1.30, J started going down at 10, then 9.30. Tonight he was in bed by 8 so wondering if that is him for a few hours, or if he will be up in 45 mins. He has napped really well today, but has been awake since 4 so was pretty tired. If I go to bed he will wake, if I stay up he will sleep. Law of sod.

When I added DH as a learner it was an extra £5 a month. When he passed, it was no extra. There are benefits to being over 40. I hope to get a small lease car through work, and have him insured on that too. I have decided to go back full time sad

pass I once got a detention for telling my Latin teacher his flies were undone. He was a bastard and used to throw things at us. I bet you felt dreadful about the blouse grin

PetiteRaleuse Wed 20-Feb-13 20:30:11

Just found a note in my bread bag. The bastard baker is taking three weeks holiday from Sunday. No bread delivery for three fucking weeks. Lazy cunts.

ValiumQueen Wed 20-Feb-13 20:30:57

One of the reasons I like Dexter is because I would love to fuck him grin

Night night fuckers, hopefully.

PetiteRaleuse Wed 20-Feb-13 20:32:02

That too VQ! sweet dreams

Pikz Wed 20-Feb-13 20:34:07

Nighty night VQ have fucking awesome dreams. Hope j sleeps.

Am realising I have no fucking clue who any of these Brit nominees are... I am getting old sad

Passmethecrisps Wed 20-Feb-13 20:37:49

Shame on them PR. I am surprised such things are allowed in France. You will just need to eat those funny mini-brioche things with chocolate chips.

The thing with the blouse was that I teach computing and had been wandering around giving direction, looking at work and so on. I had been leaning right over a boy -sort of pointing at his book the the screen so pretty close proximity. I had wondered why he seemed a bit odd. When I noticed I yelped and shouted "my blouse is completely open! Why did none of you tell me?" This was met by shrugged shoulders.

I would always want a pupil to tell me if I was having a wardobe malfunction! Shame on your teacher VQ! He sounds like a turd

PetiteRaleuse Wed 20-Feb-13 20:41:34

I would Pass but my baker makes them too. I'm going to have to cross the border to get my bread. Dammit. Why can't he time his holidays to coincide with mine eh? EH? Lazy selfish inconsiderate cunt.

Thankful Thursday tomorrow.

kissyfur Wed 20-Feb-13 20:42:52

She's gone to sleep in her cot!

Am downstairs watching breaking bad on Netflix

Yippee fucking doo daa smile

kirrinIsland Wed 20-Feb-13 20:44:11

N has just started going down for the night at half 10 - this is a definite improvement on midnight but a little earlier would be lovely! She seems to sleep well on me but wakes the instant I head towards the cot. I'm working on getting her in the pram or basket downstairs first - at least that way i can have my arms back!

fruitpastilles Wed 20-Feb-13 20:52:45

Laughalot S has her last bottle at 7:30 and then goes to bed at 8.
She's been a nightmare today, so clingy, I've not got a thing done all day, every time I left the room she whinged. I didn't think she'd go down at 8 as normal tonight because she hasn't slept as well today but she did thank god
Finally getting round to opening her bank account tomorrow, she's got more money than me!

PetiteRaleuse Wed 20-Feb-13 20:55:44

Damn. New episodes of Person of Interest and the Following out. But DD1 has picked tonight to be a PITA so is almost 10pm abd DH still trying to settle her. Oh well, something for the weekend...

TheDetective Wed 20-Feb-13 20:57:09

O has no money. Like me. grin

No bank accounts here. sad

Is anyone elses babies fussy over which blankets they sleep in? Turns out O is. I wrapped him in a normal blanket, and he woke, annoyed. Turned out what he wanted was one of his softest fluffiest ones to bury his face in.

Fussy bugger.

YW What you fretting about the mortgage for?! Chill, and enjoy setting up your new home!

YellowWellies Wed 20-Feb-13 21:03:03

I'm just worried the bank will say no confused despite the AIP

ShellyBobbs Wed 20-Feb-13 21:04:04


I forgot about bastard swearing, I feel fucking robbed. Cunting, twatting hell.

TheDetective Wed 20-Feb-13 21:04:57

Oh, and another rant about the cunty insurance fuckers.

The Twat Next Door who bumped in to my car outside my mums, who after pissing about has decided to go through the insurance... well. My fucking premiums have gone up. I did a quote on money supermarket with it on, and with out, and it has gone up by over £70.


I wasn't even in the fucking car. It was parked on a drive. It was NOT MY BLOODY FAULT! It wasn't parked dangerously, or even in a stupid place. It was on a private fucking driveway!


I want to tell the insurance company to claim back the excess premiums (for this year and the next 2 that it seems to affect - I did quotes changing the year of the accident too!) as uninsured loses. Bet that gets me nowhere hmm. I thought the whole point was you were never supposed to be out of pocket.

Fucking cuntbummers.

TheDetective Wed 20-Feb-13 21:05:29

Wayhey Shelly you got your share in grin.

Keep it coming!!!

Passmethecrisps Wed 20-Feb-13 21:06:46

Weirdly p is awake. She has one day a week or so where she wakes up after an hour and wants up. She is currently sitting on my knee watching law and order. I think she was too hot as our bloody boiler has started acting up and turns the heating on at random. It is almost 22 degrees

Pikz Wed 20-Feb-13 21:10:59

Twats twats twats twats

Just felt like it

ShellyBobbs Wed 20-Feb-13 21:11:51

Watching obem. Thank fucksters I don't have to piss about doing that again!

fruitpastilles Wed 20-Feb-13 21:14:23

Forgot it was sweary Wednesday
Fucking cunty bollocks grin

Detective, Sinead is the same, she has to have her fleecy blanket, but not as a blanket, she has to have it to lie on, she won't sleep on a normal sheet, and she knows if I put a different fleecy blanket under her and won't settle, I don't know how she knows the difference, they feel exactly the same to me!

TheDetective Wed 20-Feb-13 21:16:16

He has 3 blankets of a fleecy nature, and is happy with any of the 3. He is less fussy than S clearly. But still fussy!!! At least it means I can hopefully always have one washed and dried at least!

Clarella Wed 20-Feb-13 21:17:06

<hands wine to detective>

well boob juice failed for first time ever, wide
awake baby at 8:15 so left him with Dh while I ate crumpets and watched the next ten mins of being human. not sure how but he was still down by 8:30 extractor fan came in to play I think

lo would go around 4 or 5 hours at night if it weren't for his wind. colief has helped A LOT(thank you garden!!) but guzzler swallows loads of air/ let down issues and we never quite get it all up as he freaks sometimes.won't let me burp mid feed anymore either
without a mental breakdown - which gives more wind!

this too shall pass this too shall pass this too shall pass.....

Clarella Wed 20-Feb-13 21:19:02


ValiumQueen Wed 20-Feb-13 21:21:31

Fuckballs. Decided to go to bed, and less than 30 seconds later...

Pikz Wed 20-Feb-13 21:26:14

VQ repeat after me this too shall soon fucking pass...

Do any other BF get really distracted when feeding? Ms new favourite thing is to pop off half way through and nearly bend herself in half trying to look around. If someone talks to me while feeding her head shoots up for a look. She's too bloody nosey.
Currently sat in bed trying to do sleep time feed and she's started looking round twice so I've put her in her basket as punishment. She's now slurping on her fist grin

Having my haircut and coloured tomorrow. Don't know what to have done, I'll probably be really boring and have a trim and my roots done. I prefer to come put with completely different hair, that's how I ended up getting shorter and shorter

PennieLane Wed 20-Feb-13 21:30:33

Oh no GT glad the meds are helping a bit! Maybe it would be good if trip was cancelled as you're feeling so rough?

We've gradually brought bedtime forward from 12 at week 8 to 9.30 currently at week 14. We're aiming for 8-8 so that DH gets to see her. Going to try 9 next week. She sleeps through till 7.30/8 (dreading 4 month regression fucking it up, this miraculous luck has to run out sometime!). we even had a 12 hr too on Sunday-we did not know what had hit us. DH was really ill (lost 1.5 stone in a week with food poisoning) so it was a real blessing.

I don't think you have to do 7-7, just do what works for you. Someone told me they should have 3.5 hours nap in the day as this age which we're aiming for too, though at the moment I'm pretty much walking for most of that!

daisychain76 Wed 20-Feb-13 21:40:22

Marking place sat in bedroom with sleeping baby who won‘t be put down. Have got ddown to about 9.30/10 most nights, but that is after about 6 wweeks of trying to get him down at 7!

ValiumQueen Wed 20-Feb-13 21:40:58

This too will fucking pass indeed! Better fucking do! But after watching call the midwife again, I am very grateful for him, and also that I have only three, and reliable contraception.

Night night again then. Hopefully not see you until the wee hours.

ShellyBobbs Wed 20-Feb-13 21:42:35

Shitting bastarding fuck flaps. Being twatting Human, forgot all fucking about the new series. Cunting Sky plus and the broken fucking box. AND WHERES THE TWATTING PLUS BUTTON ON THIS BASTARD THING! grin

ShellyBobbs Wed 20-Feb-13 21:45:46

This too will fucking pass. Next thread title Stunt?

TheDetective Wed 20-Feb-13 21:47:29

ROFL Shelly!!!


Til the next one arrives... hmm

wine bottoms up!

Thank you for all your bedtime responses! I don't know if I'm putting too much pressure on myself thinking she should be down to sleep earlier, but then wondering if I'm getting us into a bad pattern if we don't try. I've never ever questioned what I do half as much as I have since she came along and the constant questioning from DPs mum doesn't help

Oh bollocks, forgot to get my swears in!

Passmethecrisps Wed 20-Feb-13 21:54:59

Every time someone says "this too shall pass" I think they are talking to me.

Donnadoon Wed 20-Feb-13 21:56:18

Lol pass

Cacacaz Wed 20-Feb-13 22:06:06

Fatima my M is a nosey little sod, he often looks around as I'm trying to feed or his latest new trick is to chat away to me halfway through a feed, attempt to latch on then change his mind, chat some more and repeat this process at least 10 times.

Shelley I completely forgot about OBEM, thanks for the reminder and thank fuck for channel 4+1

VQ I watched call the midwife yesterday am and thought the exact same thing re contraception. Watching gave me a horrible feeling in the pit of my stomach. I thought it would end badly for all.

Bedtime here is around 7.45pm onwards, M has a bath around 6.30 with DH then I usually feed him on one breast downstairs, once finished take him upstairs, mobile on and feed on the other side. Sometimes he will feed to sleep, occasionally he won't and I put him in the cot awake, he then sucks his thumb to sleep. He usually sleeps until between 7 - 8am <awaits flaming>

Kyzordz Wed 20-Feb-13 22:09:44

Lol pass! misslaughalot e goes to bed at 8. He would go earlier I think but we do bottle, bath then bed so it ends up being that bed time is at 8. I don't know when to change this or if to bother, as 8 works fine for us. He has usually finished his bottle by 7:30, sometimes up to an hour earlier depending on when he has it and how fast he drinks but he tends to sit up for a bit if he's done early and watch tv whilst I eat. If his bottle is a later one he eats after me and if earlier, I sort dinner and then feed him and then me. 8 seems ok to me though, then he'll have a dream feed around 10-11 (he's due now actually so I should fuck off) and then that's him until 6-8 in the morning except for the odd squiggle for his dummy.

Glad you all like my octopus smile

What shitty shit car insurance crap you're suffering detective they are indeed cunts

Hope there's sleep all round! Am nackered and coming down with something so I hope there aren't many dummy squiggles tonight! Two nights in a row hes been wide awake at silly hours BUT if I give him his dummy he goes back off or just talks to himself. Fc this is as bad as his sleep regression thingy gets lol!

horseylady Wed 20-Feb-13 22:13:36


Hugs to all the people who are being robbed. Of money and sleep!!!

Vq - we need bigger grow bags. Which is odd as he's still in 0-3 baby grows? All other clothes 3-6?!

Contradictionincarnate Wed 20-Feb-13 22:28:23

Oh nuuuu! Missed out on ending the thread! I was going to tell my grandchildren about that in 30 years time!
I was actually off doing Zumba really enjoyed it though it made me realise just how much of a belly I had!!
Some of the girls hadn't realised I was pregnant before I stopped going at about 6.5 months! If my increasing belly wasn't a giveaway then my mum(who was doing it with me) coming over and rubbing it between each song should have been!
Going to catch up with the rest of the Fred whilst I feed a quiet baby for 30 mins before putting her down for the whole night! ... I wish!

StuntNun Wed 20-Feb-13 22:40:20

Detective J has £60 <proud> never mind that it was £10 from me and a mighty £50 from his Grandma

There's a good table on sleep times here MissLaugh. J goes to sleep for the night any time between 8 and 1 but usually between 10 and 11. confused

Must sleep now and try to think of something to be thankful about tomorrow. Tonight will be the 99th night of broken sleep in a row.

TheDetective Wed 20-Feb-13 22:48:40

Damn. I meant to say like 2 days ago... Sorry horsey my sleep deprived mind must have confused you and VQ!! [grin{

So what was it about the spinchter you were saying?

Snot now seems gone, cough almost gone. Vomit.., still here. We had a 3 babygrow/vest changes and an extra vest change when he vomited in between me getting the babygrow done up on his last feed. hmm

VQ I got the bus with O yesterday. First bus in 9 years! No reason to get one but after walking to the GP for his injections, it was a nice day so we got the bus to town and had a wander around before getting the bus home. Only flaw in my plan was, I had no idea which bus to get home or where to get it from. And mr google said 'fuck off' when I asked for the answer!


GTbaby Wed 20-Feb-13 23:04:56

Fatima my ff baby does the same. Yesterday he got the giggles while feeding him. Very cute.

Should get outa bed n eat. So hungry.

GTbaby Wed 20-Feb-13 23:46:39

sad Vommed. Ate half a sandwhich n bk to bed.

This to shall fucking pass blush

TheDetective Wed 20-Feb-13 23:50:34


I'm petrified. Please can anyone tell me if they know anything about boilers.

We just got woken up by the sound of what can only be described as the whole house shaking and someone drilling a jackhammer in to the foundations.

The boiler was going apeshit, sounded like it was about to explode. It was turned off at the wall (must have been knocked off when DP hung the washing - can be knocked off sometimes) but the pressure was at the top bar, and it literally was going mental.

I was seconds away from grabbing both children out their beds and running out the house. I didn't know what the fuck to do. Who the fuck do you ring when it sounds like your boiler is about to blow up?

Really? What do I do? Help.

shit, its doing it again

ValiumQueen Thu 21-Feb-13 00:52:30

I would call british gas emergency line and ask for advice, or is there manufacturer details on boiler or in guide book. You said it is 18 months old. Get a maintenence plan bought asap. I could not sleep without mine.

ValiumQueen Thu 21-Feb-13 00:57:42

stunt night 118 here! Not including pre-natal either.

This too will soon become history (is that better pass?)

ValiumQueen Thu 21-Feb-13 01:00:00

J slept almost 3 hours. Been trying to settle him for 20 mins after a quick feed.

TheDetective Thu 21-Feb-13 01:04:07

Fucking DP, topped up pressure earlier. I am blaming him. Crisis averted for now.

Back to bed. Hope for none of the same.

How neither children woke up is beyond me hmm

I've been under my kitchen sideboards, under the stairs, and in the shed in the last 45 mins. Fucking covered in shit.

Good--I fucking hope--night.

ValiumQueen Thu 21-Feb-13 01:04:21

119 actually. Maths not my strong point especially at this hour.

ComradeJing Thu 21-Feb-13 02:39:26

Evening ladies.

Slightly cunty day here. Went to post office and Cba to take the BjCS as its so fucking heavy with dd 13kg, ds 8kg and the pram itself which I think is 15kg with both seats and I live at the bottom of a huge hill. So I took the maclaran and put ds in the ergo. He screamed the whole time we were out. The stuff waiting for me at the post office was HUGE and they wouldn't hold it until the weekend when DH could collect it in the car. Had to load up around dd in the pram and drag it all home. Lots of kind old ladies offered to help. All the young uns just barged past.

Had a lovely morning with a friend from Beijing whose son is 3 days older than ds. So nice speaking to an adult who I'm not related to! confused

Anyway, both kids asleep. Going to have a dose on the sofa.

ComradeJing Thu 21-Feb-13 02:39:53

Dose? Doze?

a nap

kirrinIsland Thu 21-Feb-13 06:20:45

Jeez it's quiet - have you lot all had the best nights sleep ever?!

I am thankful that it's still technically night time and therefore still technically wednesday so I can say buggery bollocks and arse to headaches and to toddler tummy bugs and to not getting a baby that sleeps smile

Exciting news for me N settled herself to sleep in her cot with a dummy. I'm not going to get too carried away as experience tells me she will never ever do it again, but I have allowed myself a little dance of joy.

StuntNun Thu 21-Feb-13 06:22:20

I'm not thankful for being up so early, especially after doing a 4 a.m. feed. Humph.

daisychain76 Thu 21-Feb-13 07:00:39

That sounds stressful jing annd detective. Been up since 5.30 when H wanted a feed, now got to go to work while dcs and dh are warm and cosy in bed. Will have to postpone the thankful bit til later! Hope you are getting some sleep stunt and kirrin.

daisychain76 Thu 21-Feb-13 07:06:39

Ooh, actually, just found an unopened pack of dcs smarties in a bag l haven‘t used since before Christmas. I am thankful for chocolatey breakfasts smile

<ignores fact rejoined weight loss thread last night>

PetiteRaleuse Thu 21-Feb-13 07:10:15

Morning all. Thankful Thursday. I'm thankful that the house is silent. I'm sure I'll be thankful for more later.

ChunkyChicken Thu 21-Feb-13 07:23:51

Thankful that I can have DS in his sleeping bag & feed him laying down, but know that if when we both fall asleep in the process, he won't get too hot, too cold or smothered by the duvet. Good job when he fed every 3 motherfucking hours last night!! (I missed sweary Wednesday grin)

fatima think DS is too greedy to notice much, although does like to stop & chat occassionally. DD used to look around the room whilst ^keeping hold of my nipple> shock

missL was it you asking about bedtime? With DD we used to put her to bed at a time that suited us/DH's commute to London, so between 8 & 9. It's only now, when I have to get her up & out earlier that I want to bring this forward a bit. DS goes to bed after DD, but its still not 7pm. Do what suits you...

ChunkyChicken Thu 21-Feb-13 07:25:27

Thankful for Kindles, which allow me to read Call the Midwife & be grateful I'll never have to go to the workhouse.

horseylady Thu 21-Feb-13 07:31:01

The gp said the sphincter sometimes weakens before it strengthens and the use of gaviscon means it will stop the vom. Interestingly you can hear when he would normally vom but nothing comes up. The gaviscon works as a seal.

I'll be interested to see what happens come weaning. There seem to be conflicting ideas about when is best to wean reflux babies.

Jims Thu 21-Feb-13 07:53:35

Thursday again already!
fatima I too have a v nosy baby in the last two days. F keeps teasing me looking as if he's about to feed and then plpping off to grin at me. V cute but v frustrating! And worse when we're out and about. Dark quiet rooms for feeding a bit trickier with an older one!

I am thankful there was no poonami at the local leisure centre yesterday. Both boys having gone 48 hours... Both managed to wait til we got home but a bit stressful with ds1 looking like he might go several times and not yet having actually managed one on the potty yet! So v thankful we got home and he recognised signs and made it to the potty in time. won't mention he got v excited and stood up too soon to see i'm also thankful for laminate floors. Stickers on the chart and chocolate buttons all round.

I need a new hobby. I've turned into a parent who keeps talking about their children's toilet habits.

detective glad your boiler seemed ok last night. Hope it's still that way this morning.

Can't decide whether to take f to be weighed. Hv and dr both suggested would be good idea to see if now tracking a line. Not sure i'd do anything diff even if he wasn't and he's under consultant care anyway because of the utis so a bit meh about the whole thing

Jims Thu 21-Feb-13 07:54:13

Popping not pipping!

glendathefedupwitch Thu 21-Feb-13 07:57:57

detective that sound terrifying - I'm rubbish when it comes to knowing about shit like that - my dad would have got a phone call lol!!

laughalot our Dottie goes to bed around 11pm though last night it was 10 wooo by the time tea, homework, baths, hairdrying and story is done for dd1 about 8pm we take Dottie upstairs chuck something on tv last night we watched the first black mirror about the pm shagging a pig wtf?? give her bottle and bf, swaddle and nappy change then usually she has a chat with us before the other boob then bed. We're not too fussed about trying to get her to go earlier - she sleeps til 6-7 so were not gonna mess that up!!

Why o why after 6 years of marriage and 8 of being together can dh still not make my cup of tea the way I like it??? I am a bit of a tea diva (has to be strong but then topped with lots of milk with 2 proper sugars!!) and he still balks it up!!!!

Off to a soft play place today with dd1 and a few friends - hopefully as its nice out everyone else will have gone to the zoo!!!

Catbag Thu 21-Feb-13 08:12:12

Ha ha glenda, I too am a tea nazi and like it very strong, but with lots of milk so that I can gulp it straight away (probably as a result of having so many kids and not having time to wait for it to cool). Only one sugar for me though smile

kirrin No amazing night here- just was so tired couldn't actually formulate sentences to write! Took all of my concentration to read and not fall asleep sitting up sad

My 4yo turned into a 5 yo yesterday. It is quite odd- she seemed to rocket from birth to 4, but then seems to have been 4 forever. We got her a lego police station for her birthday. Took DH nearly three and a half hours to put it together last night after we got in from our day out, by which time she had fallen asleep on my foot on the floor. She was amazed when she got up this morning and it was complete. She is playing with it now, on the coffee table. I am not looking forward to the babies getting mobile and crunching on the inevitable spread of lego bricks that will be covering all carpets in the house!

I put in the application for the masters. Am chewing my hands off in nervousness, waiting to hear the outcome. I guess I really should start my dissertation for the degree I am currently doing since it is due in mid-April, eh? <denial face>

Babies' last lot of jabs today. Absolutely hate it. Especially since River seemed to know what the nurse was doing when she moved around to jab the other leg last time. River roared at her and tried to escape. Saul was unsuspecting and was traumatised all over again with the second leg jab sad Poor babies.

On the plus side though, I am going to pick up a rocking horse for them today, exactly the same as the one that mm got for such a bargainous price (and condition!). Hopefully that will cheer them up a bit.

Wah. Epic posting. Thanks for sticking with it to the end!

PetiteRaleuse Thu 21-Feb-13 08:18:27

Thankful for Twitter. The thread started by the DM hack asking for people to complain about their GPs went slightly viral last night <sniggers>

Geddit? Viral? Doctors?

glendathefedupwitch Thu 21-Feb-13 08:20:57

cat awwwwww loved those times when dd1 would sleep where she fell - got lots of pics of her curled up on the dogs bed or on a beanbag!!! Kudos to you finishing a degree, starting a masters with twins and 5 yr old!!!!

Catbag Thu 21-Feb-13 08:25:10

Ha ha, let us not forget the 13 yo and 10 yo. Sometimes they are more work than the yoinger ones!

Catbag Thu 21-Feb-13 08:29:48

pr I read that thread. Gawd how I despise the DM. I actually despise the fact that it seems to be representative of a significant proportion of the citizens of my country more. My MIL reads it, but claims to do so ironically hmm At least she has the decency to be embarassed about it.

wellieboots Thu 21-Feb-13 08:30:07

Marking place!

I NEED DD to go to sleep - the other folk in my mothers group all have babies who go to sleep! I am permanently running around with a grouchy girl who will not nap enough - anyone else with babies on reflux meds (*yw*, pass, comrade?) have this problem and what do you do to make them sleep?

Catbag Thu 21-Feb-13 08:30:39

Yoinger? Mercy, the sleep deprivation is worse than I had thought...

glendathefedupwitch Thu 21-Feb-13 08:33:02

Wow!! I have a 13yr old lad and for the majority of the time he is brilliant but occasionally the hormones creep in and turn him into a tearful, angry, stroppy rageball lol - he's brilliant with Dottie though and will amuse her while I grab dinner/shower/a wee lol - I bet your older ones are great with the twins?? What are their names? I can imagine with Saul and River they've got to be gorgeous lol

kirrinIsland Thu 21-Feb-13 08:33:18

cat what glenda said ^^ How do you do it? I feel I've acheived something if I've hoovered!

Supposed to be going to the zoo today but I'm going to have to cancel as DD1 really isn't well. I think I might be going to the doctors instead.

I have been told my working days for my new job and they're not great. It will mean not being able to meet up with one set of friends as we will now all be working different days. Unless they'll be happy with a weekend meet. How would you guys feel about that? Most people seem to view weekends as family time, but I don't have that issue as DP works constantly odd hours. I would hate to lose them completely, they're a nice bunch and good friends for both me and DD1.

horseylady Thu 21-Feb-13 08:37:38

Mother reads the dm. I occasionally read it for the comedy value. Mother has called me on several occasions to tell me that by eating grapefruit I'm more likely to get cancer. Really mother. I work with cancer. A lot of the time people are just bloody unlucky. That was a poorly written title though if ever I've seen one!! Plus more hv tell you to go to a&e if the gp won't see you!!

Cat - is your masters for law? How's the dissertation going? My last msc module starts in November.....

PetiteRaleuse Thu 21-Feb-13 08:40:07

My mum buys it on Tuesdays for the health section hmm . i'm not quite sure how she isn't a hypochondriac, because everything causes or prevents cancer according to that rag. I hate it.

PetiteRaleuse Thu 21-Feb-13 08:42:57

Plus, with babies, you're not supposed to take a risk. Stupid sodding journalists.

horseylady Thu 21-Feb-13 08:44:34

Seriously pr she reads it online which is even worse now!!! They've gone from having it on a sat and sun to her being able to read it daily!! I think she most reads it for the celeb stuff actually but I do get panicked phone calls off her. Anyway, she's not done that for a bit. Hopefully my message got through!!

Catbag Thu 21-Feb-13 08:46:29

The 13 yo is called Jacob and he is absolutely magnificent with the babies. He sounds just like your son- brilliant 99% of the time and suddenly a hormone bomb from out of nowhere! I can't fault him with the twins, he is naturally great with them. He has a very calm and peaceful demeanour that ingratiates him with animals too. My daughter couldn't be more different! She is called Taryn and just fizzes with mental energy, meaning all animals look panicked whenever she approaches! The babies were a bit hmm with her when they were first born, but are now accustomed to her particular brand of fizziness I think. She tries very hard though, and cannot understand why babies and animals freak out with her when they don't with Jake. She is getting better though- 18 weeks of me repeating the same cautions, warnings and advice seem to be slowly penetrating! ("don't get up in their faces", "hold them firmly so they don't feel like you are going to drop them" etc etc) She is supersmart academically, just not an ounce of common sense in her body!

horseylady Thu 21-Feb-13 08:47:00

pr I was told by three separate doctors that if his breathing turned into distress to go straight there and they would blue light him in if needed or to dial 999 or just turn up. They said you do not mess with children's health ESP babies. So what does it matter if you got to a&e to be told all us ok? I'd rather that than the other!!

BigPigLittlePig Thu 21-Feb-13 08:47:05

I am thankful for my beautiful, amazing, precious little girl who slept 8.30-4.30 and 5-8

I am thankful for my dh who is a good man who I love lots & lots even when he snores

I am thankful for breast pumps so my boobs didn't explode this morning. And freezers so I can store the 4oz that poured out of one boob in a matter of minutes blush

detective my dads car was written off 2 years ago when someone else drove into it at a junction. His insurance went up, because apparently if your car has been hit, you are more likely to go on to have another accident because you become a more cautious driver. At least that was the bollocks they told him when he asked.

I struggle to feed LO when we're out anywhere now, as she's too nosy, constantly torn between wanting to see what's going on and wanting food, which results in a messy, fraught attempt at feeding, with her tangled in a muslin, and me getting more and more hot under the collar.

BigPigLittlePig Thu 21-Feb-13 08:51:12

Forgot to say yesterday, LO has decided that Madonnas "like a virgin" is the best song going, and beams when you sing it. Unfortunately I only know the one line, and I sometimes most times sing it the Bridget Jones way (when she's in Thailand) - "like a wirgin, fucked for the vewy first tiiiiime, like a wer-er-er-ergin, oooooh" <tails off and repeats, ad infinitum>

PetiteRaleuse Thu 21-Feb-13 08:52:05

Exactly horsey I get pissed off with people clogging up A&E because they've drunk too much, or because they have a sore finger or a cold (as adults) but children and babies in particular, no you can't be too careful.

Also, if you google newborn or baby fever pretty much all the advice says to get them seen immediately.

Catbag Thu 21-Feb-13 08:55:06

horsey Yes, it is for law, although as things stand I am having real trouble trying to decide whether to go for the generic LLM, or the named LLM in business or international law. I have studied company law and can see great practical application for a masters in it, if I were to avoid the barrister route and perhaps go into Company Secretary work. I just love international law, even though it is a complete pain in the arse as half of it isn't written down. I studied that module and my dissertation is based in it too so it is probably the area of law that I am most knowledgeable in. Just difficult to envisage a practical application unless going to work for the UN or getting into shipping law, which I would LOVE cos I am a geek ThoughtI would just get the application in and worry about specifics later. There are only usually 8-12 people studying the legal masters at any point so it isn't difficult logistically to wiggle things around.

What is your masters in? I am sure you have told us at some point but I have forgotten blush

BigPigLittlePig Thu 21-Feb-13 08:57:59

Talking of A&E timewasters - here's one for the DM...

I was on the trauma team, got called to A&E as a 19 yr old girl was airlifted in after a car crash, having CPR, rushed in past the waiting room for all to see.
A&E sister an hour later was getting an earful from a charming gentleman right twat about why he hadn't been seen blah blah. So she took him to a room, asked what was the issue, and he showed her his finger which had a paper cut on it. The sister went out the room, returned with a plaster which she dutifully stuck over said cut. The punter looked at her and said "is that it?" to which she replied (I like to think with narrowed eyes) "yes. That is it. Now get out of my room and waste someone elses time"

It was a stressful day.

Catbag Thu 21-Feb-13 08:59:14
Catbag Thu 21-Feb-13 09:00:57

Right, off for jabs sad Back in a bit

PetiteRaleuse Thu 21-Feb-13 09:03:17

Pig the DM won't like that, it doesn't bash the NHS hard enough. A blogger picked up on the thread and on his blog mentions that the stats she is referring to come from a report done by... A private health insurance company. Oh so reliable then.

ComradeJing Thu 21-Feb-13 09:04:06


I'm using Zantac with Ds which is causing a bit of constipation but its keeping the reflux down. I don't give it every day - I find if I dose him for a day or two he doesn't need more for a few days.

When he is nicely doses up he's actually a pretty good sleeper. Not great with noise or distraction but will happily drop off if it's quiet. When he is needs dosing though his sleep is horrible and - like you - I have a grumpy baby who hates everyone.

Sorry if this is all obvious but for him it's about not laying flat for 15 odd minutes after a feed. So no feeding to sleep AT ALL. I have him right upright in his bouncer or the Tripp trap baby seat quite a bit too.

That probably doesn't actually help you does it hmm. Sympathy though! Dd never, ever, ever slept.

Thursdays almost over. I'm thankful that I no longer live in China, especially when I see the photos of the pollution in Beijing. So much more too but I'm going to go have a glass of wine with dh as both dc are asleep.

Night all - enjoy Thursday!

Contradictionincarnate Thu 21-Feb-13 09:06:46

Oooo I love like a virgin! is my song always used to be requested on a night out! - my bf's (yes I am 31 <sheepish emoticon>) is like a prayer ... she ruined many a pair of tights -knees- dropping down to pray during the song!
re bedtime my dd is still not sleeping til 11.30-12 she sleeps til 6ish then goes back til 11.
I want to know more about how peeps have achieved early sleeps she seems sleepy at 5 but doesn't really nap more than 10mins.
every morn I think I should wake her early but I'm so tired I need more sleep too! and I don't have the balls to follow it through everyday! sad

Contradictionincarnate Thu 21-Feb-13 09:10:33

oh and re reflux I think.dd has it but sounds mild compared to others... what I do is feed her in bed before placing her down but I prop my knees up and sit her up on them... sometimes rock her back and forth and can then place her down to sleep as she doesn't usually wake.
I do it on the sofa too she stays asleep but usually wakes a few mins after being transferred to her chair.

ComradeJing Thu 21-Feb-13 09:22:11

That was what - 15 mins?

Ffs. Only long enough for me to half clean the kitchen.

BigPigLittlePig Thu 21-Feb-13 09:23:03

Thanks cat goes off to google how the tune goes grin

Comrade I used to find that with dd - if I gave gaviscon for a few days she could go without for a few days quite well too. She does seem to be growing out of her reflux at last, fc it carries on improving.

Contra the only way LO sleep through here is if she's awake most of the day. We get up at 8, and she'll only nap for maybe 30 mins in the morning, and 2 hours in the afternoon. It's worth maybe trying to get up a bit earlier for a few days? Bloody hard though, especially in the cold!

ChunkyChicken Thu 21-Feb-13 09:31:56

DS has just put his hand in his mouth whilst feeding!! confused He allowed my nipple to fall out, then chewed his fingers for a bit, then latched on again. He's continuing the same as I type - on again, off again. Strange child.

Sophiathecheesefairy Thu 21-Feb-13 09:32:06

I have just posted the following in the Good Housekeeping section but wonders of you guys had any ideas.

I can not believe it has come to this. I am not yet 40, quite, and I am posting in the Good Housekeeping section not the high flyer career a go go section. hmm

I have a big big cream longish haired rug. A much loved member of the family.

Yesterday I decided to swizzle it round to spread the wear and the spot that had been between the coffee table and the sofa is now on full view in the middle of the room.

There is a big grubby patch of grub. I din't think it is anything specific just Grubbyness where DH angry sits.

Has anyone any wisdom on how to freshen this area up and make it look less grubby?

BigPigLittlePig Thu 21-Feb-13 09:39:47

Sophia not a clue. We have a similar rug with a similar affliction though from dhs dark socks rubbing for years by his sofa I'm sure so will keep an eye out for any bright ideas!

Sophiathecheesefairy Thu 21-Feb-13 09:46:23

I have bought DH slippers as I am so sick of sock fluff!

Am tankful for the slippers. grin

Contradictionincarnate Thu 21-Feb-13 09:51:16

bplp looks like we are up today anyway! my dd never sleeps more than 20 mins for naps maybe every other day! shock and seems generally content with that!
It's official I have a cold! all ready for when I go out on Saturday! sad

ChunkyChicken Thu 21-Feb-13 09:54:41

On a scale of 1-10, how skanky is it to sponge off the baby sick from my sleeve (left arm, nr shoulder, missed muslin, in case any of that affects your decision grin) and continue to wear the top? CBA to find something else to wear - only going to hairdresser later, so will get covered in hair anyway.

PetiteRaleuse Thu 21-Feb-13 10:04:01

1 Chunky

no point in changing if LO is having a sicky day.

PennieLane Thu 21-Feb-13 10:04:15

I'm thankful for my lovely happy little girl who is very kind and patient with me, as I have no idea what I'm doing.

I'm very thankful for my amazing DH.

I'm also thankful for going out in the evening for the first time since LO was born. Just for an hour and a half with my neighbour between feeds but looking forward to a glass of wine!

PennieLane Thu 21-Feb-13 10:07:09

BigPig, my LO LOVES Prince's Kiss (not most appropriate lyrics!) she wiggles and laughs when it's on! She also like Wouldn't It Be Nice. We have a little disco at 6.30 everyday, I think the dancing is good exercise!

ChunkyChicken Thu 21-Feb-13 10:08:57

Interesting thread for DM haters smile

My parents used to get the DM. Then only got it at the w/end. Then only on a Sat for the TV guide (which is, to be fair, quite good. Shame about the paper.) I think my DM used to read it ironically, in so much as she had a huge pile of salt to pinch... She also preferred it because it was easier to read than the broadsheets, both for size (before compact b/s) & as a dyslexic. I think that's half the problem - most readers probably realise its shite but can't find an alternative. Red tops are too basic for real idiots and the broadsheets are either too 'worthy' or too hard to digest iyswim. I think there is a HUGE market for a balanced, readable newspaper to compete with the DM.

ChunkyChicken Thu 21-Feb-13 10:11:22

Ta PR grin

PetiteRaleuse Thu 21-Feb-13 10:11:58

The Indie is excellent. The Times is much more emreader friendly than in the past though I hate its politics.

Pikz Thu 21-Feb-13 10:15:02

I am thankful for mums who come over to give LO lots of cuddles and my arms and back a rest!

I am thankful for strong coffee, radio 2 and comfy armchairs whilst a very snotty baby snoozes on me.

YellowWellies Thu 21-Feb-13 10:16:41

<Runs into chatroom with jumper over head, arms in air, drops to knees and slides across floor shrieking>

Mr bank manager he say yes! grin As you were.

Wellie DS was an insomniac last night - didn't go to sleep until 11 little sod - he just wanted to hold my nipple, beam at me and chat. Otherwise at night he is very good. I don't think its anything we're doing though - I think it might just be sheer fluke - other than perhaps we do give him the chance to settle back down - I never pick him up on first murmur. During the day he is a consummate nap avoider, unless I put him in the buggy for a looooong walk (needs to be over an hour) or sit him semi upright in the crook of my arm and let him feed and doze. A side effect of omeperazole is insomnia - fecking hilarious no?!

Evilwater Thu 21-Feb-13 10:17:09

Wow six pages!
I'm off to see another nursey today. Wish me luck! N woke up during the night again. I will post later, hopefully.


PetiteRaleuse Thu 21-Feb-13 10:19:03

Yay YW that's fab

Pikz Thu 21-Feb-13 10:23:13

Yay for YW!!!

Catbag Thu 21-Feb-13 10:36:50

YW Loving the imagery of you sliding across the floor, ha ha. Congratulation wellies, that is truly exellent news grin

Back from the doctors. Was predictably horrid. Does anyone else have the urge to actually punch the nurse in the face? I think that it isn't helped by the fact that she isn't particularly nice anyway, but I feel violent hackles rising when she jabs my babies angry I am usually just sad.

Catbag Thu 21-Feb-13 10:37:52

Ffs, EXCELLENT news*!

Contradictionincarnate Thu 21-Feb-13 10:53:48

pennie surely you mean Tom Jones's Kiss! grin wink
I think mini disco is a good idea!!
I can't get to any baby classes I tried to do rhyme time myself but nursery rhymes are very annoying I always listen to lyrics that's my problem!
requested in Zumba last night proud Mary I had forgotten about that - its a good one with hand movements too...apart from that Buddy Holly is good! grin
I will have to make a note of all these good songs with simple lyrics so I am not condemned to 12345 over and over!
zoe Williams on this morning! ... I love her! grin

PennieLane Thu 21-Feb-13 11:07:01

Did Tom Jones write it? I did not know that!

Yay YW! I can't believe a side effect of baby med is insomnia blush

Sophiathecheesefairy Thu 21-Feb-13 11:07:17

What a relief yw ((((group hug))))))

Congratulations YW that's great!

Stunt thanks for the link about sleeping times and ta to everyone who replied. I know I should do what's right for us but like I said before I can't help but question every decision I'm making at the moment which is exhausting and I just wanted to get a feel for what others are doing. After an epic bedtime last night of two and a half hours and eight failed attempts to get her to sleep in her Moses basket (she kept waking up after 10-15 minutes, just as I was dropping off to sleep), I gave in and she slept with us at 11.30. We've never had a bedtime like that before, and she was waking up crying which she doesn't normally do. She seems fine in herself though so I'm not sure what's up with her?

Right, must check DP took the car to work this morning and it hasn't been nicked...

kirrinIsland Thu 21-Feb-13 11:44:57

Yay YW Thats great smile

contra I have the same issue. N has her best sleep from around 7am. I know I should get her up then to try and bring bedtime forward but I just cant face it when I've been up half the night. I think I'm just going to bite the bullet and do it - it will be well worth it if it works and I will be mighty pissed off if it doesn't

Sophia no idea about housekeeping stuff I'm afraid. I occasionally read threads on there but they only serve to point out more things I should be doing. My house is awful. On the plus side DP seems to be coming round to the idea of getting a company in to do a deep clean every now and then. But presumably his apparent change of heart is because things have reached a new level of awfulness blush

horseylady Thu 21-Feb-13 11:56:45

cat radiation physics (medical applications)

stunt fab article. Thanks

TheDetective Thu 21-Feb-13 12:09:19

I'm still alive! <waves manically>

I'm still on sweary Wednesday. Cocking boiler. I hate you!

The guy who plumbed it in had an emergency 24 hr call put number. I called and left a frantic message on it last night. The boiler could be heard taking off in the background. He still hasn't called back. I might leave a new message saying simply. We are dead. hmm

O was a pain in the ass last night. Slept all through the boiler commotion. Woke 30 mins after we finally went back to sleep. So he woke at 2, I picked him up and sent DP down for a bottle. By the time he came back he was asleep. But only when on me. So he slept til 4. Fed one fucking ounce. Slept til 6.30 when he fed 2 oz which I practically forced the 2nd oz down (he screamed blue murder for the bottles and no amount of sleep inducing tactics worked prior...) and then he went back to sleep on me only to be woken by a delivery driver at 7.40 saying they would be at ours in 10 mins (DS new bed!).


Yay YW I like the celebration too! Love that feeling when everything seems to fall in to place!

ChunkyChicken Thu 21-Feb-13 12:10:53

My DS decides he WOULD NOT sleep downstairs (as usual). So much so he kept throwing a proper paddy if I picked him up. Put him in his cot. He's fast asleep in minutes. Apparently, at 14+4wo, he has decided when & where he will nap... confused

TheDetective Thu 21-Feb-13 12:17:11

I am thankful for foundation. Today it is making my haggard face look just aged instead. hmm

ChunkyChicken Thu 21-Feb-13 12:21:43

YW Congrats. Good news.

Seeing as I didn't take advantage of sweary Wednesday (I had a good day), can I use my allc

ChunkyChicken Thu 21-Feb-13 12:26:06

Allocation now...

Fucking stupid phone.

And cocking stupid late sister again. I don't mind a few mins late cos that would be v v hypocritical blush but 2 fucking goddamn pissflaping HOURS!!! She's meant to be taking DD out for the day. Original pick-up time was 11am. Then 10.30-11. Then 11.30. Then they were leaving just now 20mins ago!!! I live 5mins WALKING distance.angry I can't do/start anything because I don't want to be caught in the middle. Can't play games with DD because a 2.10yo doesn't understand. Plus explaining to DD that she was going out with Dsis 'soon' is a bit fucking difficult. Ffs.

ChunkyChicken Thu 21-Feb-13 12:41:23

FINALLY DD has been collected. Bless her, she's been eagerly looking out of the window to see whether her Aunty has arrived yet all morning. I'm sure she'll be fine, just hope they don't get stuck in too much traffic.

Kyzordz Thu 21-Feb-13 12:48:54

misslaughalot I have been the same re decisions. I feel like every single one is monumental and I struggle to make any decisions. I am getting better though but find everyone on these threads really helpful because it helps to have a variety of views and ideas to read, plus there has been situations where someone on here has thought of something I hadn't even considered.

Yay yw good news!!

chunky I HATE it when people do that, dp's mum and sister were coming once at 1pm. They finally turned up at near 5 when ds had just gone to sleep and proceeded to wake him up and then they kept asking me why he was so grumpy! Erm, I do wonder!

I have discovered something else I hate. Why is it if someone is holding your baby and the baby starts to cry and you say 'here, let me put him down, he is probably tired cos he has been up since seven' (it was 11 and he had been yawning). Why do they ignore you and continue with the baby until he is in hysterics because no amount of me telling them he won't sleep on them because he only met them 10 minutes ago and is in their house where he's never been and is over tired. What do you do in said situation? I found it very stressful sad

Thankful Thursday... I am thankful ds sleeps really well usually and that I feel a bit better than yesterday. I am not so thankful for period pains however!!

Glad you're still alive detective sounds like you had a really not fun night!!

kissyfur Thu 21-Feb-13 13:35:30

I hate the daily mail, my mum buys it but only on a saturday for the weekend magazine apparently

Another rubbish day in the kissy household. DD1 was sick in our bed this morning sad and LO still cries every time I put her down. Think something has got to be wrong with her surely?! Don't know what else to do with her

ChunkyChicken Thu 21-Feb-13 13:54:51

I'm seriously hoping that DS is making up for a lack of sleep yesterday, as I just had to wake him from a 2hr (possibly more) nap. He's gone 4.5hrs since his last feed & yet couldn't manage 3hrs overnight. Seriously hoping he isn't reversing day & night. Grrr.

Am thankful that we have free contraception, a welfare system & social housing having just watched Call the MW. Am also thankful I don't currently require the above.

horseylady Thu 21-Feb-13 13:55:40

It's freezing out there!!! Think puppy dog might be coming into season sad

Got a show jumping lesson shortly too!!!! It's sooooo cooold!!

TheTiger Thu 21-Feb-13 14:10:07

Today is a year since I found out I was pregnant! It was pancake day, we are having pancakes tonight in memory smile

Last night DS reached out in his sleep and put his fingers in my mouth. I had no intention of waking him up by moving him, so we slept like that.

chunky unless it was a large vom, I wouldn't dream of changing my clothes.

YW great news on the mortgage.

GT you have my sympathy. Morning sickness is the worst. Hope you feel better soon.

TheTiger Thu 21-Feb-13 14:11:44

Oh, and kyzordz I find that if you actually put your arms out, or go to take your baby off them, no one is going to keep hold of them! It is very annoying though, I agree.

Off to visit a child- minder tonight after visiting a few weeks ago. Anyone any suggestions on what I should be finding out?
Has anyone got any opinions on nursery vs childminder?

PetiteRaleuse Thu 21-Feb-13 14:23:55

Fatima with nursery they pick up all kinds of bugs but you are not dependent on staff sickness, holidays etc. I had a very bad experience with a CM and an excellent experience with nursery though, so am obviously biased.

GTbaby Thu 21-Feb-13 14:33:07

Woke up at 2 shock. Oh dear.

ShellyBobbs Thu 21-Feb-13 15:10:37

Are you back at work already daisy?

Just got the old mamas out in Ikea. A bloke in there looked at me like he couldn't believe what I was doing, I gave him the old 'fuck you' eyes and he angrily looked away grin

Tommy had his second lot of jabs this morning so am expecting grumpy strops tonight.

kissyfur Thu 21-Feb-13 15:19:34

I had a similar reaction from a couple in a cafe on Monday Shelley. I started feeding LO (very discreetly i might add) and the man moved from sitting opposite his wife to sitting next to her so they both had their backs to me. Wankers! Made me seethe!

Contradictionincarnate Thu 21-Feb-13 15:24:47

kissy do you think he may have thought you wanted privacy? I am soo naive I know.
really puts me off attempting it!
d is sleepy today still no routine!! I am being a Velcro mummy today feel guilty in advance that I will be away from d for 24 hours!

Contradictionincarnate Thu 21-Feb-13 15:27:12

oh and pennie don't think he wrote it could have even been prince he had it out first though think his version is more famous...or is that just in wales!
"think I better dance now"

A busy day for the little pixies!

We went to baby massage. The woman who ran the course massaged G while I massaged M, it was lovely! Had long walk home with buggy, cold but a nice walk.

Also had them weighed, M is 14lb exactly & G 13lb1. Both have dropped centiles - 50th to 25th centile and 25 to 9th centile. I am presuming it is because they are sleeping though and missing a feed? Was it YW who said the same thing?

Hope everyone had a nice day!

kissyfur Thu 21-Feb-13 15:28:12

No contra I don't think he did. I was listening to their conversation and the wife definitely said 'well I wouldn't do it' don't think I was being paranoid. It makes me so cross when people make mums feel uncomfortable for feeding their baby.

kissyfur Thu 21-Feb-13 15:29:46

Oh and please don't let it put you off smile

Passmethecrisps Thu 21-Feb-13 15:33:06

Sorry shelly but what the fuck? I cannot imagine what goes through some people's heads when they do that. So you feed your baby and he looks aghast? Wanker. Would he rather you took 5 times longer getting a bottle out while LO goes mental - I know this cause it's what happens to me! Attach tassels to them next time. Or get one of those big nipple hats for LO!

kyzords I have asked that same question on here and the only solution is what tiger said which is to actually put your arms our and say 'give him here'. I posted before when my BF was holding p and P went insane. Friend ran off into another room with her. It certainly didn't help P and I was really stressed. I am getting better at it now though. I don't know what makes people do it though

Hi-5 YW! I am delighted for you. It is such a weight off to know that you are all sorted. When we were moving and needed a buy to let mortgage for our old flat there was all sorts of shenanigans with one mortgage which delayed the other. Two days after we got the agreement the company took that mortgage off the market. We were 2 days from total financial ruin - that's not an exaggeration.

Oh, who was asking about reflux sleepers? Was it comrade? It may be too late for this but our thing is swaddling. We use a Summer swaddleme microfibre wrap. I think YW uses the same one. P's basket is elevated by a shoebox. We use rinitidine and domperidone 3 times a day and infant gaviscon every feed. This all keeps her pretty asymptomatic and at night time she is a fabulous sleeper. Her naps are hit and miss but I can't complain at all.

Passmethecrisps Thu 21-Feb-13 15:38:18

Right. kissy as well. What is wrong with people? Are we really so fucked up as a nation that we are disgusted by babies being fed? Ima gonna follow all you BFers around and bosh judgers over the head with my tommee tippees.

Today I am thankful for bumbos! Courtesy of the lovely VQ p now has a bumbo!

Right now however, she seems to have decide she wants to lie in her basket and play. With me. Which means I can't leave her side while she lies there.

Contradictionincarnate Thu 21-Feb-13 15:38:27

yw holding off celebration for when you have escro... welldone on the mortgage though buying in Scotland your v near to securing the property ... not so down here!

I have just seen the very first Due in Nov 13 Ante Natal thread! There is only one poster so far! So strange to think we were just a couple of days pregnant this times last year.

Just read back through the thread. Glad to see in not the only one with a nosey baby. Last night I ended up wrapping her muslin over her eyes and she finally went to sleep. She's another one who pops off and smiles (normally followed by sick), or to have a sick of her hand before latching back on.
Right now she's studying the zip of my zip up hoody and playing with the hood string.
Might invent some blinkers for her like horses wear grin

petite I thought about nurseries not being as affected by staff sickness and holiday etc. at the moment though we'll only need childcare one day a week so I suppose that'll be less of an issue as it'd be easier for us to cover the odd day rather than whole weeks.?

kissyfur Thu 21-Feb-13 16:16:18

Thanks pass smile it makes my blood boil too!

MissMummy1 Thu 21-Feb-13 16:28:41

Tried and failed to catch upblush

Fabulous news yw

All my stresses last night were for nothing. M was an absolute star at work last night! My client's parents played with her for 2 hours and she had a ball!! The boy's dad is now poss the broodiest man (bar my primary teacher friend Mark) I know! Such a relief.

Have posted a pic on fb of my BARGAINOUS 99p rocking horse! It's brand new too. I love eBay grin

Rant alert (I didnt swear yesterday so close your ears those of a sensitive nature). Some fucking ignorant perverted wankbadger took it upon himself to have a go at me for bfing M in the doc surgery this morning. angry angry angry The pissing doctors surgery!?!? I think the building is still shaking from my following outburst blush

M has more anti bs and been referred to dermatologist. Infection is staph sad

YellowWellies Thu 21-Feb-13 16:29:20

Just bought the wee man a "Sophie la giraffe" chew toy - he loves her! I might get my fingers back smile Also thinking of getting an amber anklet to help with teething - total woo? hmm

Everything pass said about sleep and reflux - swaddling is your friend - I intend to swaddle Jonas until he is, woooo, five! wink

YellowWellies Thu 21-Feb-13 16:37:32

Sorry to hear about fecktard responses to BF - Daily Mail readers one and all I bet - the sort of folks scared of the female body / lecherous yet moralistic. Grrrrrr

Sorry to hear the infection is strep MM how are they going to treat it?

Contradictionincarnate Thu 21-Feb-13 16:44:00

aw mm1 what did the guy say? how did you respond!? do they have posters up not that they should need to!
I agree that its usually people that see breasts as a sex thing are the ones disgusted by it!
I have stopped shutting curtains to feed think it will only look like I am hugging dd if people look in- I do have nets up. makes me feel much better that its light out.

PurplePidjin Thu 21-Feb-13 16:45:20

I am thankful that I knew Doreen and that R sat in the stretchy watching the light through the stained glass window for the whole service. I am thankful that i could be there fot Reg.

Contradictionincarnate Thu 21-Feb-13 16:55:58

aw purple that's such a lovely thankful!
I haven't even done mine yet feel thankful for everything today ... that my family is healthy and happy that they are all involved with dd and I am getting closer and seeing more of them all...

Contradictionincarnate Thu 21-Feb-13 17:02:53

thought I may kinda try EASY today but its been EAESEAEAE ... Gettng a few yawns now but can't see her sleeping.

Fuck, I missed Sweary Wednesday.

Today I am thankful for baby giggles.

Hello new(ish) thread.

PetiteRaleuse Thu 21-Feb-13 17:26:09

I am thankful for cheese, that the flu has fucked off, for Dexter - two new episodes tonight - and For the brilliant workers at DD1's nursery - I will be so sad when she stops.

YellowWellies Thu 21-Feb-13 17:37:23

I am thankful that my wee man has found his laugh. Its somewhere between Loony Tunes and sex pest despite this it makes me melt.

I'm thankful that helpful banks like First Direct exist and that our vendors appear to be straightforward non greedy folks. very shallowly I'm thankful they're leaving their seven burner range cooker.

I'm thankful that DH looks after stressful stuff like mortgage applications whilst my brain feels frazzled with baby stuff - its nice that my control freak tendencies can finally relax now I'm with someone I trust not an irresponsible kidult fecktard!

I'm thankful I'm having Saturday morning off to get my hair cut - but recognise that I'll be scraping my hair back into a greasy ponytail within a week grin

PP that was a lovely thankful. I bet LO being there really helped the family - as VQ said - death makes new life seem so much more precious and new lives help put bereavement into context.

ValiumQueen Thu 21-Feb-13 17:38:18

I am thankful that I survived my first bus ride for a long long time, and did not end up in Inverness. Nothing against that city, obviously.

PurplePidjin Thu 21-Feb-13 17:58:37

She had grand and great grandchildren but i don't think they were there? We skulked at the back but Reg seemed pleased that id brought R to "meet" Doreen iyswim.

They'd been married 53 years.

MissMummy1 Thu 21-Feb-13 18:01:00

I am thankful that Matilda's staphylococcal infection has been caught early and we are finally being referred to a specialist for her skin.

The pervert spent a good 10 minutes staring (I mean proper wide eyed creepy staring, not just me being paranoid at someone looking in my direction) at me and then started muttering about how wrong it was to do it in public. I lost the plot and told him I was damned if an ignorant prat like him was going to stop me feeding my baby and if he had an issue with it then take it up with the medical centre who will also tell him he is an ignorant wanker. He then looked slightly embarassed - at which point I should have stopped blush - but I went on to rant 'have I made you feel uncomfortable by pointing out how rude you are?! good, because you have made me feel uncomfortable by staring at my tits while I feed my baby you ignorant prant' - or something along those lines. In front of a packed waiting room. I now wish I'd just bit my lip blush . I am still very angry about it though - the surgery might receive a costic email yet this evening. angry

MissMummy1 Thu 21-Feb-13 18:04:34

He was a prick. I am still fuming with DP for not jumping up and supporting me. He just sat looking at the ground and then told me I went too far. I might have done but that is not the point angry

MissMummy1 Thu 21-Feb-13 18:05:33

x post pp. Sounds like you made the right decision. I am sure it meant a lot to your friend bringing R. thanks

Contradictionincarnate Thu 21-Feb-13 18:19:32

go mm!!! no need to be embarrassed how frustrated would you have been if you hadn't said anything and just left it would be playing on your mind!
feel like only dd toys and my nips will make her happy today not me! sad
I am thankful for Welshcakes though I kinda wish I hadn't bought some yesterday will be allgone v soon!

horseylady Thu 21-Feb-13 18:44:03

In thankful for ds and my beautiful horse. She may try to kill me but I still love her!!

This time last year I still know I was expecting!!!! By the Saturday I was starting to suspect.....

TheDetective Thu 21-Feb-13 19:08:44

Oh my.... I don't know how much more I can take.

Guess where my car is. GUESS?!

No fucking need. It is where one of our cars always seems to be. In the fucking bastarding garage.

Yesterday it was juddering a bit, but I was running on fumes, and right by the house, so stuck it on the drive, and asked DP to get me a jerry can of petrol so I didn't risk it running out getting to the garage.

Well, I set off for my physio appt this afternoon, and the car juddered and shook the whole way there, and the exhaust management light came on flashing every time I accelerated, or was stop/starting at low speeds.

Managed to limp it back to a garage after the appt, and it is probably the coil pack and/or spark plugs. FAFS. Really? REALLY???

Can I take any more crap? You couldn't make this shit up. Honest to god.

I'll just repeat my favourite saying, courtesy of Dory... 'Just keep swimmin', just keep swimmin', just keep swimmin' '.

Anyone care to join in my screaming?!

TheDetective Thu 21-Feb-13 19:09:33

I am thankful for the ability to laugh. In the face of adversity.

Clarella Thu 21-Feb-13 19:18:20

thankful ds now has to be fed lying in bed as too fussy elsewhere. honest.

catbag - wow you're wonder woman!
great news yw!
good about referral mm and way to go on pervert!
glad boiler ok detective..... sorry car poorly now :/
a lovely post pigeon. hope you're ok.

reflux. - not got it here but a pal with a refluxy baby 11 wks got an amby hammock and swears by it (plus ranitadine) - dd now sleeping up to 10 hours envy. we got a third hand one and it's great for day time naps - persevering with bedside cot but may switch as I've watched him be calmed by it bobbing when he kicks from wind.

this too did fucking pass! lo slept really well from 8:30 - 1:30 then 2 till 5 (wind attack) but for the first time in weeks we did.nt have to have him on us from 5, I just held his hand when he started grunting and he settled. we didn't sleep much mind, in anticipation. I really think two squirts of infacol helping and now putting colief on nipples when best eg at night as minimises panicked screaming and air swallowing. or maybe he's just getting older.... hmm

fatima v nosy baby here (hence feeds in bed) - you can get beads to wear they can fiddle with to focus them - going to start using them here.

Clarella Thu 21-Feb-13 19:20:05

I am thankful Dh is taking a day off tomorrow. smile

ValiumQueen Thu 21-Feb-13 19:22:45

I am thankful that my son has drunk 180mls of formula this evening. Very thankful indeed.

ValiumQueen Thu 21-Feb-13 19:25:00

Ooh can you put colief on nipples? What is the dose? J likes nipple medicine.

PetiteRaleuse Thu 21-Feb-13 19:25:28

I am thankful for coca cola.

MissMummy1 Thu 21-Feb-13 19:35:51

I am thankful dp didn't take the Daim bars to work tonight smile

horseylady Thu 21-Feb-13 19:39:21

detective I hope you had fun in a previous life smile why is it when you need to be careful with money everything bloody breaks?

vq glad j took the formula. No idea about coleaf sorry.

Why do babies go from laughing to crying in a split second?! He was laughing quite happily then just burst into proper floods of tears sad we're currently having cuddles!!

Those of you with two HOW do you do it??!!! Dh wants two and wants to start trying probably now (actually when ds is 1).. My body is still healing (must call the gp tomorrow to get an appointment) but to be honest I'm not sure I'd ever cope with two? I mean I just can't imagine dealing with ds and a baby?! In fact I just can't see me with two children? I'd like him to have a sibling, my sister and I get on well but it horrifies me the thought of two?!

Clarella Thu 21-Feb-13 19:40:13

vq some say it works fine - they latch on first then you break latch and drop usual dose on a drop or 2 at a time then let them suckle so it mixes with the foremilk in their mouths. using syringes led to more wind and expressing seemed to make let down worse which led to breast refusal (it was horrendous) so I juggle bothmethods at mo - his comfort and willingness to feed in a settled way is priority. at mo. a few on the local lll Facebook group recommended it. I might try totally like that next wk.

I think manufacturers would say saliva might cause issue and break colief down or that acidity in mouth wrong.

ValiumQueen Thu 21-Feb-13 19:48:51

horsey with more than one you just do your best. Remember, you will know your elder child pretty well, and they will grow with and adapt to the changes. When the broodiness hits, it takes over and you do not worry about such things. When the pregnancy test is positive, you try to adjust in your mind. Your pregnancy is much harder, and you worry that you will not love the new baby as much as your first. When the baby arrives you fall in love, but worry again, and feel that you are letting one or other down, but after a while you just cannot imagine life without the little one. Like with twins, you just get on with it, learn new ways to manage, compromise on shiny sinks, and enjoy the wonderful moments of sibling love (while they last). Earlier, DD2 was dancing and DS was laughing his little head off. She was so chuffed! Proper made me melt!

PetiteRaleuse Thu 21-Feb-13 19:50:04

horsey it's not too bad. In fact although I never expected to get pregnant so fast last year I don't regret it now, age difference wise. I think the most important thing which helped is that by late pregnancy DD1 could walk. She was latish walking, at 15 months, by which time I was 5 months pregnant and getting to a point this time round where lifting her was hard. Plus post c section I wouldn't have been able to lift her. So I think that's something to take into consideration.

She's also young enough that helping me out is a fun novelty. So she passes me stuff from the dishwasher and puts clothes in the washer and takes them out. V useful post section. She'll get bored of that soon.

So, mobile and useful. 19 month gap for us was pretty ideal.

Contradictionincarnate Thu 21-Feb-13 19:51:36

horsey I second that re having 2 I originally thought I would try in September then after Christmas now thinking next April!

PetiteRaleuse Thu 21-Feb-13 19:51:45

Yeah the guilt is pretty horrific. I got over it once DD1 started to accept LO.

Contradictionincarnate Thu 21-Feb-13 19:52:27

oh and det so sorry your having such a trying day!

horseylady Thu 21-Feb-13 20:02:24


I think it's something we need to discuss in a year or so.

Passmethecrisps Thu 21-Feb-13 20:09:58

DH and I have agreed not to discuss a second until P is at least a year old.

I was all like "whatthefucknotachancenowayamieverdoingthisagainevereverever" no I am a bit more "oh well, maybe we should keep a few bits a pieces. Ya know. Just in case"

kissyfur Thu 21-Feb-13 20:15:30

Go MM! Well done for putting a perv in his place grinthanks

YellowWellies Thu 21-Feb-13 20:20:02

Horsey I've been thinking the same, bar the reflux I know Jonas is a really easy baby and I'd have another tomorrow if there was another pair of hands at home during the day and if it were possible when BF. But looking after my 17 month (though more like a 14 month old as she was so early) old niece (who is a lovely little girl - obedient and helpful ie not a handful) has made me realise that I'd go mad if the age difference was less than 18 months - I think we might try for no. 2 next spring / summer that way also I'll get maternity allowance again too!

Evilwater Thu 21-Feb-13 20:34:50

I went to the nursery and I liked it, N screamed for a good deal, but he wanted to join in at the end. Which is a good sign! I mentioned it to DP and he is still in the " No nursery" camp. angry why is he so against! Just makes me mad!

Off to the drs, and I'm going to make a complaint.angry I phoned up asking for a appointment, when the lady on the phone "needed to know what was wrong, and she couldn't give me a appointment till I did" grrrrr.........angry I do not want to tell her about my sexual health!!!

Right off to read previous posts and there are lot of them.

Evilwater Thu 21-Feb-13 20:39:57

Oh and N not so keen on cuddles, and he wants his milk lying down. Werid.

daisychain76 Thu 21-Feb-13 20:50:14

Grrr phone has just lost a long post! Gist was Pass it is definitely worth saving stuff ~ after ds1 l hardly had to buy anything for dd and ds2. I think VQ is spot on about having to. l also thunk the leap from 2 to 3 is easier than 1 to 2 as you are used to the juggling/mummy guilt!

MadamGazelleIsMyMum Thu 21-Feb-13 20:51:49

OMG there is so much to catch up on!

evil sorry to hear your DP is still against nursery. Has he come to look at any with you?

YW congrats on the mortgage grin

bigpig DS is partial to a bit of Estelle ft Kanye. I do Estelle (badly) and DH and I do the rap (also badly) in manner of Smithy and his sister in Gavin and Stacey. DS loves it!

detective I feel your pain. Car going in for MOT tomorrow. Have about 50p to cover repairs.

MM well done. I think you were rather restrained, myself grin

horsey we have a 21 month gap, is pretty good. A couple of months before DS was born DD was very hard work, but she got a lot more verbal which helped. You just manage with two, in a way you cant imagine before the second arrives, exactly like you manage with one in a way you cant imagine before you have your first. Although "in a minute" and "I just need to do x first" are two of my most oft repeated phrases at the moment.

In my news, DS in in sleep regression hell. DD finally sleeping willingly in own bed for at least half the night. Did a KIT day at work including a v technical presentation, for which I had done little prep. Survived it. DH is not yet buried beneath the patio, although he deserves to be. DS screamed in angry raging cries for a fucking hour, I was tired, stressed and in desperate need of assistance/encouragement as I could feel my patience being tested. DH had fallen asleep putting DD to bed. angry

daisychain76 Thu 21-Feb-13 20:54:22

Oh and good for you mm.

Shelly l have been back at work 3 weeks (but did start mat leave at end of Sept when H appeared)

TheDetective Thu 21-Feb-13 20:54:44

Good on you MM and shame on DP! I'd of done the same.

I'm afraid I also lost it today. Well, in a rude gesture way.

After limping to aforementioned garage, Oscar started to scream as we got there. He wanted feeding. I'd told DP to get there urgently, as there was nowhere to warm feed up, and he was going for it, and there was only so much fucking Donald Duck noises I could make to stop him screaming for more than 2 seconds.

As we were driving home (was only 5 minutes away) with said screaming baby, there is a bit where the road narrows, and only one car can fit through. It is our right of way, as is clearly marked by the signs on the fucking road. So some knobhead BMW driver decides to try and force their way through, stopping us. I might have flicked a v and mouthed some naughty words their way. As they sat open mouthed driving past us. Fuckers.

Sadly, I realised after I had O's dummy in my mouth (you know, how you put the handle bit between your teeth so it doesn't get dropped in shite). I must have looked crazy. confused

Ah well.

I must learn to let shit go over my head! Really.

Evilwater Thu 21-Feb-13 20:56:09

madam- no he hasn't. Even if I paid him! I think it's a talk to his mum.

YW- yay morgage, welcome to the ball and chain!

Horsey- I hope your bourse behaves better soon. I went for a wonderful walk the other day and they allow horses, so I thought of you.

VQ- I can't even think about child 2. confused


Evilwater Thu 21-Feb-13 20:59:16

Wow dectecive, hopefully your woes will be over soon.

TheDetective Thu 21-Feb-13 21:00:21

horsey Sometimes I wonder if I was a really really really bad person in a past life. I feel punished enough!

I'm still going for a 3.5 year gap. I would like less, but I don't think I'd cope, 2 in nappies, double buggy, it is hard enough now! I would like this one out of a buggy and out of nappies, so would have to be at least 2.5. But I want 9 months off next time, and in order to save enough, I need the 3.5 year gap. Plus I want an early summer baby! Winter has been a shit time for a new baby! And so close to christmas, was I mad?! Possibly!

And I need time to heal, lose weight, and get fitter not fatter!.

Physio appt today was kinda a waste really. No new exercises, just PF's confused and no one can explain the pain when I wee, or the pain of the epis. Going back in 6 weeks. BTW. I had to squeeze another womans fingers with my vagina today. Bet no one else here had that pleasure!

Fed up dot com.

TheDetective Thu 21-Feb-13 21:01:24

Evil I doubt it. It's always been the same. Life is rarely kind to me. 12 years of this shit now!

MM I am proud of you! Good work in the doctor's surgery. I haven't had any bad responses although I did have a young (8-ish) boy who came over to my table in Costa several times and openly gawped.

VQ good news about the formula, hopefully you are on route to getting a break every now and again? How are you feeling re sore throat etc?

Det the laughing/crying modes do seem closely related. DH often says when I am hysterical with laughter, oh dear she's going to cry in a minute (which I inevitably do) and it seems L has inherited this tendency. We were playing "Where's Mummy? There she is!" with a muslin yesterday and he was giggling every time until suddenly it was hahahahaahahahaaahuhuhuhuhuhuhhoohooboohoo hoooooooooooooo

Thankful that we had poonami earlier (always seems to get DH, shame) after several days of straining. He'd passed a couple of tiny hard pellets so I was getting worried but suddenly it was like playdoh through a sausage machine and didn't stop. By the end it was much looser (sorry tmi) so hopefully he may be over the worst. It's quite green but I think that's the formula, it doesn't look like ill-poo iykwim. Anyway far far tmi. But a relief for the entire household. Hope we get a good sleep.

Evilwater Thu 21-Feb-13 21:08:28

Big hugs, (yes I know it's not mumsnet like).

horseylady Thu 21-Feb-13 21:09:54

Lol!!! Sorry you're having a bad time of it!!

I don't know what the gp will suggest for my non existent pelvic floor. Just 17 weeks post birth I would like to feel mended!! I don't!! It hurts to go to the loo and my bladder I swear is getting worse. Im thinking uti along with destroyed pelvic floor.

Poor body.

My horse is ok. She's just a bit opinionated. And has to be in the mood for jumping/dressage/going on the trailer. Kind though and when she goes she's bloody fabulous. Shame those moments are rare!!

ChunkyChicken Thu 21-Feb-13 21:10:55

pp glad things went 'well' for you today.

mm I would love someone to give me shit about bfing but they don't. I think he deserved everything he got, for being mysoginistic and so v wrong.

horsey et al. I went through a v low time after DS was born, as my posts no doubt reflected. Guilt, worry, stress, resentment, the works. I do think I was teetering on the v edge of PND, which is the first time I've been properly miserable since maybe the BFP that was to be DD. I loved life after she was born, which shocked me as I've never really been maternal. And yes, there were hard moments when DH got to go out for a drink after work, for example, & I was desperate for adult company. But general gist is it was great. So feeling so blue after the good pg, & birth going to plan, & DD taking to him like a dream, was a huge shock. But now I'm on the other side? I'm seriously contemplating a 3rd. So much of me says "no way" but part of me is unwilling to accept I won't be pg again etc etc. DH is v much of the "Wtf? No way!!" camp though & keeps saying he's doing the vasectomy route. We'll see - perhaps its just hormones on my part. So, yes its a big leap & changes everything again, but its SOOOOO worth it.

DD makes DS giggle by leaning over him to kiss him & her hair tickles his face. He also smiles when she talks to him. She also shushes him when he cries, but it comes out more like "sooooossss" or "hisssssss".smile

detective worst luck ever.13; unlucky for some??! Hopefully things pick up soon.

Tried out a few songs on DS tonight. He likes wet wet wet good night girl, but not so much bon jovi livin on a prayer. Hated everything changes take that, smiled at joleyn dolly parton. smile

TheDetective Thu 21-Feb-13 21:13:40

I love hugs! grin Thanks!

blonde Ha! Yes, O also the same! Having his jabs he was smiling away at the nurse, when she jabbed him, he broke his heart, then looked at her, tried to smile because he just LOVES smiling at other people (he will give any fucker a grin!) but it melted back in to cries and screams, then tried to smile again, then cried... etc! Over and over. Was quite funny, if a bit loud!

ValiumQueen Thu 21-Feb-13 21:20:46

3.5 years is a nice gap. I thoroughly recommend having a baby in april. No summer heat with a bump but you get to enjoy all the summer with your baby, plus they get to eat christmas dinner. Miss the fucking bronchiolitis too.

Evilwater Thu 21-Feb-13 21:22:09

I don't wanna do the bottles tonight, and Dp is fast asleep again.

Contradictionincarnate Thu 21-Feb-13 21:29:31

I am an April baby and I am the Bestwink

ValiumQueen Thu 21-Feb-13 21:33:53

blonder yes, delighted about the formula although was very glad he wanted to feed from me two hours later. My throat is odd. Sore evening and night but fine in day.

2 to 3 was a lot easier although it is more tricky logistically. Both girls were used to having a sibling, I knew I would adore the little scrap, and considering he was not planned, and we cannot afford him, things are pretty good. The sleep has been the biggest issue, and snot. I think with age gaps a lot depends on the older child. DD2 is a bit of a nutter, and is a bolter, and could use the toilet if she put her mind to it. With her it is physical risk, whereas her sister it was psychological guilt stuff that was the hardest thing. Thankfully she did not relapse with boy. If I were younger, I would have gone on to have more I think. But I am happy with my three little candles.

Contradictionincarnate Thu 21-Feb-13 21:33:55

madame " now in a minute "is a common Wenglish phrase! I say it often but probably much more with two lo's!

horseylady Thu 21-Feb-13 21:35:55

I'm a Capricorn

Like Jesus

BigPigLittlePig Thu 21-Feb-13 21:36:18

Have skim read tonight - 4 pages in a day?! So much for slowing down...
Lovely day out at various friends, not sure they believed me when I said LO feeds most of the evening. They believe it now though!

YW congrats
Evil sorry dp still being a pain
mm well done for letting rip at perv
detective sorry to hear about your bad luck still
pp glad the funeral went ok

Sorry if I've missed anyone off, bloody knackered tonight - so off to bed blush Night all x

PetiteRaleuse Thu 21-Feb-13 21:40:08

DD1 was a March baby. Spring is a good time to have kids. Animals and birds got it right.

PetiteRaleuse Thu 21-Feb-13 21:41:13

Ooh watching Dexter. Love love love.

Yep April babies are great. I'm one wink I want a spring/ summer baby next time too. Not sure yet what age gap I want. Before having DS I said 3.5 - 4 years but now I'm thinking perhaps before that.

Pikz Thu 21-Feb-13 21:44:30

VQ I would like the next one to be a spring baby. However if its anything like this one we will get no choice at all.

I have always known I want another. I think I want a two year gap ish. We shall see. I don't know whether we should try with the time frame this one had (18mnths and 2 ops to conceive) or think it will be short and to try when ready. Suppose scared we could end up with four year age gap...or even scarier two under two!

VQ I smiled at three little candles.

I would love a Spring baby when L is 2.5. Not sure I can make 'em to order as L took a year but that's what I'm aiming for. My friend is pg with her third baby and it's made me feel quite excited about having another even though it won't be a while. I never got the concept of 'feeling broody' before but I think I do now! I wish I could have 5!

Same here pikz. DS was born 2.5 years after I stopped having the depo injection. If allowing for a similar time frame we should crack on with it now. But what if I got pregnant right away? I'm not prepared for that. Don't want to wait 3 years either in case it takes a long time again.

Arghh why can't DH just accept that he hasn't listened to me instead of insisting I haven't said what I clearly know I have said to him! angry

TheDetective Thu 21-Feb-13 21:59:37

Because they are stubborn goats.

TheDetective Thu 21-Feb-13 22:00:25

Ds1 was early march. Due end feb though! Want may/june next time!

TheDetective Thu 21-Feb-13 22:06:49

DP and his friend have been building the bed since 7pm So far it has been built, dismantled and rebuilt.

I'm in for another long night aren't I? hmm

Contradictionincarnate Thu 21-Feb-13 22:13:36

I have heard tell of a few women planning babies and it happening narrowing them down to beginning of Feb etc but my lesson with dd is that I have to pause the control freak in me...took us a year to begin her and she was over a week late I thought she would arrive on mums 60th but she came 3 days later.
I also am thinking of starting earlier than I ideally would like to incase it takes a year again...probably even longer this time as last time when we could dtd every other day! wink

YellowWellies Thu 21-Feb-13 22:32:23

Yeah my family history also makes me doubt I could achieve anything as accurate as a spring baby - my niece was due in November and turned up in august. We seem to be able to conceive pretty quickly its carrying to term that's tricksy. So whilst the hippy in me would like a Pisces, Taurus or Cancerian and an 18 - 24 month age gap - the odds of achieving it? hmm

Elizadoesdolittle Thu 21-Feb-13 22:35:59

Haven't had chance to read the thread so apologies for the me me me post but just a quick update.....

Went to my local breast feeding support group. God I wish I went there ages a go. They were so nice and helpful and I've come away with a makeshift supplementary nursing system which I used twice at my mums and it worked. I got an extra 3ozs in her per feed on 2 feeds. It didn't work the third time as she wasn't sucking hard enough but it's a start. I'm going to try again in a mo and see if I can get more in her. So I might say to the consultant to give me a week to work with the sns to see how I get on. I can't use it when out and about but I have a quieter week next week so can concentrate on using it more. So I'm very thankful for my new found support network.

Going to catch up on thread now. Hope you've all had lots to be thankful for.

kirrinIsland Thu 21-Feb-13 22:39:55

I found going from 1 to 2 pretty hard to start with, mostly because DD1 was way more jealous than I had anticipated - so I felt guilty about that, and then her challenging behaviour made me get cross with her so then I'd feel guilty about that as well. It made me wonder what the hell I'd been thinking when I said I wanted 3! But now it's calmed down a bit I'm back to thinking about a third again (and interestingly, so is DP - he has always been dead against 3). If we do I will leave a bigger gap though.

detective I think you are owed a quiet and uneventful day or two!

MM well done. I've never had a bad reaction to feeding in public, but I'm the sort who would probably think horrible things but not say anything much

kirrinIsland Thu 21-Feb-13 22:42:03

Cross post Eliza Glad you've gotbsome good support. That sounds good.

daisychain76 Thu 21-Feb-13 22:45:57

Good news Eliza. Hope it continues to work.

YW you nver know re carrying to term. My family has a history of prematurity and ds1 arrived at 36 weeks, but then dd stayed put til 39+2.

DS1 was due Sept, arrived Aug. l would definitely not recommend planning a late summer/autumn baby ~ l have never been so hot in my life!

MissMummy1 Thu 21-Feb-13 22:47:05

Our next one is a puppy. M was NOT planned, and I must be super fertile seeing as I was on the pill and we only did it once that month blush (in our relationship's defence we were working at opposite ends of the country at the time!) I wouldn't swap her for the world now she is here but she had changed my life in more ways than I could ever imagine. My life is not my own anymore and she has changed every single aspect of it. I used to be really selfish and reckless, so I suppose in many ways she has changed me for the better? I don't resent her one bit, although - and I've neveer vocalised this before - spent most of my pregnancy worrying I would. Despite all of that though she really is the best thing that has ever happened to me, I want to enjoy her before I even contemplate another, and if we only ever have her, I won't be disappointed in the slightest! not parting with outgrown clothes yet though

kirrin I am normally quite quiet and reserved in these situations. I am bolshy and argumentative when I've had a drink (in fact I'm a total arsehole when I'm drunk blush ) but normally a total shrinking violet when not. I avoid confrontation at all costs. I saw red today though blush.

MissMummy1 Thu 21-Feb-13 22:48:03

Fingers crossed for you eliza - glad things seem more positive tonight! thanks

StuntNun Thu 21-Feb-13 23:26:44

Well done VQ's J for chugging your formula like a good boy.

That's great about the supplementary nursing system Eliza, it would be brilliant if it makes a big difference to calorie intake.

I have 3.5 years between DS1 and DS2 and found it difficult to get enough sleep as when DS2 went to sleep DS1 was always awake. With J there is a 6 year gap so DS1 and DS2 are at school for 6 and 5 hours a day which makes life a lot easier as I theoretically have time during the day to spend with J or have a nap although I seem to spend it cleaning up after DH and the boys. There is the danger though that children get much easier at about five years old and you may not want to go back to sleepless nights and nappies at that point.

Sorry to hear about your car Detective. You do seem to be having a tough time of it financially at the minute. Could you get your DP to sell a kidney? wink

TheDetective Fri 22-Feb-13 01:06:37

I'm going to get him to sell his knob stunt. It's the only thing he has of any value hmm. Perhaps he could sell sperm. grin

ValiumQueen Fri 22-Feb-13 01:55:20

4 hrs. Having a nice feed. Hope he settles quick.

Clarella Fri 22-Feb-13 02:22:21

grrr burps totally avoiding me. hope he doesn't get double pain at 5. he's just going out for the count after each feed, I just plonk him down no bobbing or swaying. was hoping a burp would unsettle him when down but nope. hmm

.... ah got a tiny one!

StuntNun Fri 22-Feb-13 03:01:56

Yawn. What time do you call this J? 4 o'clock I can handle but any time before 3 is waaaay too early. Shall I take bets for a 5 or a 6 o'clock start to Friday?

Catbag Fri 22-Feb-13 03:12:03

I think I might refuse to out of bed until seven am <stifles yawn> We will see how well that goes...

Pikz Fri 22-Feb-13 03:38:08

Fed at 10.15 and 3.30.... Doing ok....

Fucking sodding snot.... Poor boy sad

ValiumQueen Fri 22-Feb-13 04:04:28

Fucking bollocks. 1.5 hours. Fuck.

StuntNun Fri 22-Feb-13 04:47:31

1.5 hours to settle VQ or between feeds? Either way it's hell isn't it? I was reading a study about babies and sleep and one of the correlations with poor sleep was being male! I should have had a girl. wink

MadamGazelleIsMyMum Fri 22-Feb-13 05:06:38

Well, our 5am start to the day is an improvement on yesterday's 3am. Interestingly we dropped the dream feed and he stayed asleep for longer confused. Ah well, have a head start on today's chores, although why all the washing up is still here after DH stayed up to 11pm is beyond me lazy knobhead angry

MissMummy1 Fri 22-Feb-13 05:18:26

Shit night. On 5th feed since 11pm sad . She's 12 weeks on Monday - growth spurt?

TheDetective Fri 22-Feb-13 06:09:13

There is no rhyme, reason, or logic behind these little gits monkeys is there? After 3 weeks of wakenings getting closer and closer, we have got 9.15 til 5.55 out of him. I don't get it. Really don't get it. He had a shit day for feeds yesterday taking around 17oz confused so was obviously expecting shit night to follow.

Me no understandddd!

Stunt I'm with you on the 4am. Can deal with anything after 4am. Before... Makes me want to cry like a baby. grin

Now O. Please could you see fit to do this regularly again!!!

ValiumQueen Fri 22-Feb-13 06:28:53

1.5 hours sleep stunt it had taken an hour to settle him. This time got 2 hours out of him.my girls were fab at sleep. So many folk have said it is because he is a boy. It is shit. I am so fucking tired.

mm growth spourt. Be grateful she has been a good sleeper and this too will pass for you.

But there are boys on this thread that are good sleepers. Waaah!

glendathefedupwitch Fri 22-Feb-13 06:36:48

kissy & mm* angry at your experience of twunts whilst out bf'ing - mm had I have been in the drs waiting room with you - you'd have got a standing ovation from me!!! So far I've had nothing but knowing smiles but I try not to make eye contact with anyone whilst doing it - I still can only feed in the rugby ball hold and have cushion tied round my waist so don't think it's always obvious I'm feeding my darlin little bro didn't realise and thought we were just having a cuddle while she slept until Tallulah said no she's having mummy's boob milk - poor sod didn't know where to look

detective sending lottery win/inheritance from long lost great aunt/stumble across a hoard of money from a bank job in the 80's vibes your way - you deserve some luck x

Well sniffles and drippy noses have reached me n Dottie - my nose is like a tap and requires tissues close to hand where the fuck has the umpteen packs of tissues bought from quid shop gone??

Had a lovely day out with the girls yesterday catching up with a couple of friends - one of them a hv who isn't 22 and has 3 kids, ex gynae nurse who has experience of all sorts from depression, miscarriage to hemiplagia who I respect greatly told me about a website called purple crying - which seems to explain those evening of crying when you can't do right for doing wrong - not had a chance to have a proper look so sorry if its crap but the page she showed me which described the crying - fits Dottie to a T so will be looking further into it today.

Dottie went it to melt down whilst at dd1's riding lesson, she had been fed, was dry but nothing would appease her so the drive home consisted of her getting absolutely hysterical, me driving like a maniac and having the radio up v loud - 2 streets from home it goes all quiet - yup she's crashed!!! Why do they go nuts when you can't do anything to help???

She crashed out after her bottle at 8pm last night totally overtired an not had much if a nap and slept until 4 am - had a quick feed and back down until 5.30 but then up with sniffles so a chance to catch up on the thread.

And what is it with dh trying it on at 4.30 am when I put her back down?? Hello?? Precious sleep time!!!

All this talk of more babies makes me so sure that the shop is shut and I'm done - knew after dd1 I needed one more - funny how we know when to stop !!!

Pikz Fri 22-Feb-13 06:43:33

VQ and stunt I too got told boys were poorer sleepers. Wish mine would drop a feed somewhere, but no he drank 7oz at each night feed sad

Pikz Fri 22-Feb-13 06:44:59

VQ and stunt I too got told boys were poorer sleepers. Wish mine would drop a feed somewhere, but no he drank 7oz at each night feed sad

ComradeJing Fri 22-Feb-13 06:55:29

<big brother style voice>

It's day 3 in the no poo house household...

God I hope dh is holding him when he finally goes grin

PetiteRaleuse Fri 22-Feb-13 06:55:38

Morning all. Couldn't sleep. You know why? I had the Dexter theme music running round my head. Wouldn't stop. Every tome I watch that show in the evening that happens. That and Desperate Housewives.

I have also heard that boys are more difficult as babies with everything from sleeping to talking to toilet training, but are far easier once they reach 10, whereas with girls it's the other way round. So they say. But I'm whispering that as there are some MNers who would offer me up as human sacrifice to the Gods of gender equality if I say it out loud grin

I have no idea if it is true, and certainly wasn't as far as me and my siblings are concerned, but anyway. There's an anecdote to prove or disprove pretty mich anything.

Sophiathecheesefairy Fri 22-Feb-13 07:34:49

detective hope the beds's in one piece!

vq great job on the 4 hours Hoping things continued smoothly.

Going from 1 DC to 2 I found really hard I suddenly would lurch from one thing to the next, having 3 meant that suddenly having 2 was easy! Having 4 meant that now when I have just 3 of them with me for some reason In any combination it's a piece of piss! Not moving on to 5, that might mean spontaneous combustion! grin


I am really struggling with the tea time feed. He normally has a bit of his feed at 5 and the rest at 6. He is just screaming and screaming and going rigid fighting with the bottle. Then when I give up and calm him down he is chomping his hand like he is really hungry. Eventually with a bit of perseverance he gobbles most of his feed. But not as much as usual. DH thinks it is because we stopped using Infacol. It i stopped using that at the 8 week madness as it didn't seem to work. Anyway we are now 15 weeks is there a 16 week something as O seems to do everything a week early.

Sophiathecheesefairy Fri 22-Feb-13 07:35:56

Trying Weleda granules tbh they don't seem to make a diff.

StuntNun Fri 22-Feb-13 07:35:58

Glenda that Purple Crying website is really interesting, thanks for sharing it. Must get these sleep problems sorted now as I think J is ready to start self-settling. He sleeps alright in the night time, it's just daytime naps and bedtime that he can be difficult to settle.

Must face the day now confused I have to pack and then attempt return plane journey with the three boys.

ValiumQueen Fri 22-Feb-13 08:10:30

sophia 4 month growth spurt and sleep regression. Sorry.

Brockle Fri 22-Feb-13 08:12:12

I can almost disprove your theory PR if DS2 would stay in his bed. all three boys slept through by 10th weeks, first two were early talkers and toilet trained easy too. really easy babies, all ebf. good readers too which I was worrying about as I had heard academically boys are hard work. little horrors now though! grin

DH has man flu ad I have now caught the sniffle but as the house would blow up if I went to bed with a cold I am on my feet and dreading today sad

DS2 was a.June baby and that was wonderful. five am didn't feel like the middle of the night and the occasional sun was lovely. one day DS1 didn't want to have his hair washed in the bath so we did it in his new paddling pool with DS2 snoozing in his pram. brilliant grin

going from 1 to 2 was difficult. DS1 was 2 and a half and learning to balance the two was the hardest thing but it got easier and easier each day. 2 to 3 has been easier, prob cos they are older. although the jealousy manifests itself in different ways.

horseylady Fri 22-Feb-13 08:12:54

Oh vq and stunt big hugs. As you both know its nothing you are doing. I'm so sorry there is so much unsettledness. I've got nothing to suggest just huge hugs for both if you.

mm yes 12 week growth spurt!!

Brockle Fri 22-Feb-13 08:12:56

sorry, mammoth post but that will be the last one in this thread probably grin

ChunkyChicken Fri 22-Feb-13 08:19:40

Worst. Night. Ever. Or at least since newborn when you actually expect them not to sleep He kept crying & grumping almost to the dot of 1.5hrs sleep. Thankfully DH was helping with the dummy replacing/nappy changing etc. Didn't feed him until 5.30ish, so he went about 9hrs feed-wise, which is good. Not sure if it was a wind issue (had a can of diet coke for the first time since he was born) or just the so-called 4mth sleep regression, as that seems to be hitting the Nov babies at 14wks... Anyway, he's now asleep in bed next to me but DD is up early because she was hungry after not eating much when out & about yesterday. Not sure whether to leave him or transfer him to the cot...

Eliza glad you got some help yesterday & it does sound more positive. Fingers crossed getting more milk into her helps - perhaps she just doesn't have a strong enough suck to get as much milk as she needs? If she was on a bottle, that wouldn't matter as much obviously. Who knows! At least you've got an option now.

Not sure whether DS is worse than DD regarding sleep. I suppose with her I didn't worry too much - I went with the flow and assumed that, as a small baby, she would take longer to sleep through. However, I didn't realise how well she slept between feeds & how good she was at doing nights & naps until these threads! I do feel a bit short-changed that DS is a much bigger baby & not sleeping through. I mean, clearly he's getting enough milk!! Plus, his night feeds are just snacks really. But generally (the last 2 nights excluded) he does sleep v well, barely stirs & likes to nap. I just hope this 'regression' is a minor blip. Would like a few more hrs sleep!!

Sophiathecheesefairy Fri 22-Feb-13 08:42:47

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh vq please let it be over by the time we go to NI or MIL, with all best intentions, will put it down to my mothering techniques.

BigPigLittlePig Fri 22-Feb-13 08:50:06

Had a sneaky suspicion last night wouldn't be so good...only one waking but what a waking - 2-4 we were up. Feed, grizzle, poonami, grizzle. Then would only settle in our bed so consequently we're both knackered. And to top things off the effing cat has pissed on the armchair again as if I don't have enough washing to do already angry

eliza really glad to hear you've found some good support, fc the feeding thingy helps!

Bryzoan Fri 22-Feb-13 09:10:01

Brilliant news about the Sns and support group Eliza - hopefully the start of a turning point.

Sorry to hear about mre crap nights stunt and vq. G wasn't too bad - half 2 then 5 if I forget the fact that he was sleeping through a month ago. Had to get up and change dd at 3.30 though after a nappy leak because nitwit dh didn't put it on well after bathtime.

On having 2 - I felt just like you horsey when dd was small. Couldn't believe there were all these people around with 2 kids who I had previously thought were quite normal but must in fact be superheroes. The reality for me now it has happened is spot on in line with vq's description. Now things have settled I love it. Nothing beats snuggling or playing with my 2 gorgeous darlings in a good moment. I do still get the guilts a bit sometimes - especially as with dd's extra needs basically I think she would always benefit from more time - so some compromises for both kids are sadly a bit inevitable. But equally I already think they benefit from being around eachother - and that that will only increase - so it's swings and roundabouts on the guilt front. Much as I'd love more I think that will be it for us now though. I'm getting old and haggard, not sure my body could take another birth and pregnancy, and think these kids now need all the time and money we have and more.

I was expecting to take ages to conceive g, but in the end it was the first month and I think we only dtd once! Dd took much longer and I had an ectopic before her so I was expecting a long haul... So don't assume a slow start for number 1 will repeat (though of course the crap thing about ttc is that it is all so unknown and almost certain to confound expectations...)

brockle - mug of hot ribena to you, hope you feel better soon and that your dh can carve out at least a little bit of slack for you at some point.

Happy Friday all. I'm quite excited today. My laptop broke irrepteably last week (boooooo) but after much searching i found a great one with a huge discount because it was previously returned (but has since been checked over) in sony's outlet (discount) store. It arrives today - hurrah! Now all I have to do is reinstall everything and get all my data off the old hard drive when I get the chance...

Blimey that was long and rambly - I'll get back in my box now!

kirrinIsland Fri 22-Feb-13 09:10:36

I don't have any boys to compare to but my girls have both been a bit rubbish when it comes to sleep - N particular so. Th exception that proves the rule?!

Bryzoan Fri 22-Feb-13 09:12:26

Just realised there were loads of crap nights - coffee and matchsticks for all of you - here is to more sleep in nights to come!

glendathefedupwitch Fri 22-Feb-13 09:32:42

Eliza fab news that you've got some good support with bf'ing - hope LO puts on weight soon x

PurplePidjin Fri 22-Feb-13 09:56:43
PetiteRaleuse Fri 22-Feb-13 09:59:33

I know PP you can all start the queue for autographs. I promise I won't let it change me grin

Contradictionincarnate Fri 22-Feb-13 10:11:42

Woah .... dd slept 10.30-10am ... I had to wake her! am in shock!

PetiteRaleuse Fri 22-Feb-13 10:15:20

I just woke LO. She was up at 7 for her usual breakfast feed but has been asleep ever since. I love my baby.

ValiumQueen Fri 22-Feb-13 10:22:59

contra very pleased for you <<through gritted teeth>>

kirrinIsland Fri 22-Feb-13 10:50:32

contra what VQ said ^^ grin

ValiumQueen Fri 22-Feb-13 10:58:32


kissyfur Fri 22-Feb-13 10:58:57

Love that article pidj smile go petite!

TheDetective Fri 22-Feb-13 11:01:40

Thirding VQ!


Help! J has hit 4 months and turned into a velcro baby, he'll sleep, if he's on me, he'll not cry ... if he's on me.

He hates slings and apparently everything outside the realms of my arms.

I'm getting quite down feeling pinned to the sofa all day in fear of waking him or having him scream the place down.

He has got quite a lot of spots round his chin I am wondering if the hormones from the Cerazette i'm on are crossing to him and making him feel as bad a s I do? They said a tiny bit passes through but not enough to matter, is this true?

ChunkyChicken Fri 22-Feb-13 11:02:50

As above ^^ contra smile

Does the sleep regression thing cause a grumpy baby? He's just 'shouting' a lot, not crying. Didn't want a feed an hr ago, despite not having a proper feed for hours. He's been grumping since sad He hadn't been awake long (since maybe 9.15) after finally sleeping soundly when I posted last (and even then we had to wake him). He's now happily having his dummy & a cuddle, looking sleepy.

Where's my happy, predictable, easy baby gone??!! confused

TheDetective Fri 22-Feb-13 11:06:43

Fuck you Daily Mail, eh?!

I don't think the shitheads will be back....

<barks manically at retreating journalists>

TheDetective Fri 22-Feb-13 11:12:52

I think this is why they say you just have to stop over thinking it and surrender to their needs chunky. I've give up. Some nights he wants sleep some nights he wants frequent feeds. Some days he feeds loads. Some days he doesn't. Nothing I am doing changes this so I GIVE UP!!

VQ DS1 was hard work as a baby. He started to walk at 10.5 months and from that moment on, he was a different child. Happy, no whinging, sleeping... He never went through the terrible twos or had temper tantrums etc. He was a perfect child!

It's only recently he has become hard work again! I think that is hormones though!

Just to give you hope. It can't last forever!

Kyzordz Fri 22-Feb-13 11:14:04

Morning all smile ds did 8:15-10:30 then dream feed then 11-7, then fed, then 8-10:30! Lazy so and so! Will have to go and read recent pages to see how your nights went!

In octopus news, the scarf is a good few inches long!

Contradictionincarnate Fri 22-Feb-13 11:17:34

its not all unicorns and rainbows here as it did take a day of nonstop feeding a Velcro baby trying not to get hopes up too much as it could just be a one off and she is exhausted from all the spurting over past few days!?
have her grandcha coming over soon my dad who will inevitably find something to nag me about in messy house!
think he may be a little ocd ...he always says to make sure I have done dishes so dh doesn't come home to them...if only he knew last night dh did them so my dad wouldn't nag me!!

Contradictionincarnate Fri 22-Feb-13 11:37:56

just read the pr daily mail link ...I couldn't find the thread at the time go pr!!!
sent the email to my husband ...see that pr I know her I know her!!!
linked to facebook too awaiting fall out! if you down tabloids you are usually accused of being stuck up! I recall critising the sun in a media studies class and being told I was posh and didn't know anything! I was interupted by the teacher right in the middle of a rant about how my dad worked in the steel works and now factories!!
Think my media studies teacher started my hatred of daily mail though its always been very anti teachers ...

ChunkyChicken Fri 22-Feb-13 11:54:36

I think you're right detective. The last couple of days I've been trying to dictate things a bit more because I've had plans that I couldn't work around iyswim. Normally its a bit more flexible. Today we are doing the baby-led thing again... smile

BigPigLittlePig Fri 22-Feb-13 11:58:57

Haha go pr grin

PetiteRaleuse Fri 22-Feb-13 12:00:26

Actual LOL at idea of Detective barking at journalists grin

Contradictionincarnate Fri 22-Feb-13 12:11:53

chunky I was just telling dh this morning how I just go with what dd wants to do no planning the day or anything don't know when I will eat when she could sleep etc but it makes it exciting at least its not groundhog day just one non stop slog

Tits I think PR had a bad experience on Cerazette recently?

The DM thread has been linked to by people I know on fb, even by some big butch non-MN men! So proud to know PR.

DS conked out after his epic poo so I missed the usual sleepy feed at 9pm and put him straight to bed. He woke hungry at 1am and 4am so got the same number of feeds though. 2nd one was hard work as he was straining a lot, weird as I thought he had fully evacuated. Maybe some trapped wind. Anyway the best bit was, after falling asleep again around 5am, I slept through him waking again at 7am, DH took him down, fed, changed and brought him back without me noticing and I finally woke at 9am with L still sleeping peacefully beside me! Bliss!

PetiteRaleuse Fri 22-Feb-13 12:17:33

Cerazette. <shudders at memory>

PennieLane Fri 22-Feb-13 12:27:09

Yay PR!!grin

Passmethecrisps Fri 22-Feb-13 12:38:41

Today I have a baby who refused her Moses basket in favour of a wee cuddle and a snooze on me.
Maybe she likes me after all!

hope it doesn't become too much of a habit though

Have to wake her up in 5 minutes sadly as we have a dietician appointment at last

PetiteRaleuse Fri 22-Feb-13 12:40:54

It feels like ages since LO fell asleep on me. She has preferred her pram or cot for a good month now sad

Best part of having a newborn is the long cuddles while they sleep, and it's over sad

YellowWellies Fri 22-Feb-13 12:49:30

I feel like shit, achey all over, totally fatigued - we are not leaving the house today. Thank god its fish and chips for tea. Also having weird almost like contractions? Meh DH hurry home!

PetiteRaleuse Fri 22-Feb-13 12:53:27

Oh I miss fish and chips. In June when I go to England I'm going to trough on fish and chips. Mmmmmmmmmmm.

TheDetective Fri 22-Feb-13 12:59:06

Is it your period on its way YW? I got the cramps for a good few days before my first period arrived with avengance!

I bark at DP sometimes. grin Journalists stand no chance!

Had the bad news from the garage. Another £100 pissed away.


I am fed up of eating to the sound of screaming baby. Please tell me everyone elses baby cries when they eat? Breakfast/lunch/dinner. Doesn't matter if he is sleeping, he will wake and cry. Guaranteed. There is no reason for the cry, other than 'pick me up'. He then shuts up. Is he jealous that I am paying attention to my food?! He will happily lie there kicking away, til the minute I dare to eat. I don't understand!

PetiteRaleuse Fri 22-Feb-13 13:05:59

Maybe the smell of food is starting to make him feel hungry. LO comes on my knee when we eat and she is happy like that, watching us eat. I'm starting her on the the purees this weekend. I have been too lazy to do so this week. I was going to make her a sweet potato puree earlier in the week but I decided to use them to bull out a curry instead.

Tomorrow, carrots, and possibly a pear.

TheDetective Fri 22-Feb-13 13:17:30

He has been the same since he was born PR! Never changed!!

PetiteRaleuse Fri 22-Feb-13 13:22:35

I am so craving fish and chips now. This is cruel, cruel I tell ya.

YellowWellies Fri 22-Feb-13 13:27:44

PR I'll eat fish and chips for you if you pig out on cheese for me. mmmmmmm cheese....

PetiteRaleuse Fri 22-Feb-13 13:32:53

My fridge is empty of cheese. And paté. And anything of any real interest.

Bt this weekend I will buy the ingredients for a make a fondu on your behalf YW

And a raclette.

Raclette is freaking fab if you've never had it. Real winter yumminess.

TheDetective Fri 22-Feb-13 13:37:14




Not long now... April. I will eat ALL the Raclette! Start stock piling now if you ever want to eat it again PR. grin

TheDetective Fri 22-Feb-13 13:40:00

Just been singing to myself 'with his number fucker-uper, he's number motherfucker'. Hope the children did not hear me. grin

Stupid cbeebies. That numbertaker is some scary shit. I'd have nightmares about him!

YellowWellies Fri 22-Feb-13 13:40:09

Wooo I adore raclette nom, nom and thrice nom I tell thee. <Looks at sleeping baby 'diet police'> its a good thing he's cute. I trade a limb for some cambazola or roblachon right now.envy

PetiteRaleuse Fri 22-Feb-13 13:43:38

What's happening in April Detective ?

How about tartiflette? Or the Jura version, morbiflette.


I love France.

But I still want some fish and chips. June.

Contradictionincarnate Fri 22-Feb-13 13:44:22

what is raclette have heard of it but unsure.
I have the best chip shop which is also a Chinese takeaway about 5 mins away next to my fave pub ... is the biggest temptation!
det your not alone my dd also cries when I want to eat sad me and dh take turns to eat in the eve ... not a morsel has crossed my lips yet today ...but once I start I can't stop! probably why I'm actually putting weight on not off!!

PetiteRaleuse Fri 22-Feb-13 13:46:17

Raclette is a type of cheese that you melt and serve with cold meats and baked or boiled potatoes. It is really really comforting luxurious deliciousness.

TheDetective Fri 22-Feb-13 13:48:06

And pickled onions and lots of black cracked pepper.... <drools>

I'm going to Switzerland PR. Although at this rate, we will be going minus clothes. Too poor!

PetiteRaleuse Fri 22-Feb-13 13:49:12

Ooh lovely, that'll be so nice

TheDetective Fri 22-Feb-13 13:54:29

What, me, naked? No. Not nice at all. <Stares at children pointedly>.

PetiteRaleuse Fri 22-Feb-13 13:59:51


StuntNun Fri 22-Feb-13 14:08:47

Is it Foody Friday? I'm going to Fife in July so I'll have a battered white pudding supper please.

TheDetective Fri 22-Feb-13 14:09:50

Both children are sleeping yes, the lazy 10 year old is having a nap WTF!! and I am watching cbeebies.

I need a knock to the head. hmm

Mr Bloom, he's a bit weird isn't he?! He's off to collect some tiddlers... erm?! Okay.... <Steps away from Mr Bloom>

TheDetective Fri 22-Feb-13 14:11:17

Well if we are having foody friday... can anyone suggest some nice low fat, low calorie recipes! Only involving chicken, or no meat! Or something that can be substituted with soya mince!

Today we are having Fajhitas. As a treat.

But tomorrow I need something healthier.

PetiteRaleuse Fri 22-Feb-13 14:17:35

Most of my chicken recipes involve pie or curry detective.

But how about marinading some chicken in lemon juice, garlic and rosemary, then baking and serving with onion rice.

glendathefedupwitch Fri 22-Feb-13 14:18:34

ohhhhhhh foody friday!!! so far ive had cheesy chip for lunch while at a soft play area - omd those places in half term are pure hell - and they bump the prices of food n drink cheeky bar stewards - had i not been meeting a friend id have been the wicked withc and disappointed dd1 and gone to asda instead lol

we go to cornwall two weeks today so im looking forward to cornish pasties and clotted cream teas nom nom

no ideas for tea, cba why do i always have to have the idea, buy the ingrediants, cook the frigging thing....... would like one day for dh to just disappear into kitchen and return 30 minutes later with edible food though after the sushi he prepared a few days ago i'm not sure that possible wish i was married to gordon ramsey!!!!

TheDetective Fri 22-Feb-13 14:19:15

That sounds damn good PR. Will tell DP. He loves doing stuff like that! Could serve that with sweet potatoes. I love sweet potatoes!

What is onion rice btw?

kissyfur Fri 22-Feb-13 14:24:01

Ummm foody Friday! Love raclette and most French cheeses, infact most cheeses!

Managed to get LO to sleep in her buggy with the extractor fan on while I got a beef stew in the slow cooker, made a plum crumble and had some lunch. Sadly feel quite proud that I managed to get all that done! This week has mostly been spent watching Tv on sofa with poorly children.

It's snowing here...

Catbag Fri 22-Feb-13 14:25:25

DH makes raclette for me when I feel like I need to up calories for more milk supply. Good DH. Nom nom nom.

detective The visual of you barking at journalouses made me giggle. A lot. Strangely, if I were to pick one of the quiche most likely to bark at naughty people, it would be you... grin

kissyfur Fri 22-Feb-13 14:27:59

Detective I do a similar thing to PR with chicken, marinade thigh fillets in lemon juice, garlic, honey and wholegrain mustard. The bake til nice and brown. Yummy. Serve with cous cous or rice, or sweet potatoes!

TheDetective Fri 22-Feb-13 14:28:35

Cat Where do you get your cheese from?!

I got some once in the christmas markets, but it didn't taste the same sad

Likewise, the one I ordered over the internet that needed a new mortgage to buy didn't taste right. Think they were a bit smoky. I don't like it smoky!

ROFL! I'm a bit feisty. Unfortunately for others in my life. grin

But I'm only like that with knobheads. Nice people get nice detective, for I am. Nice that is. Usually. I hope. confused

PetiteRaleuse Fri 22-Feb-13 14:28:58

Fry some onion til it's cooked and possibly crisps butndoesn't burn, add some rice, fry without burning, add water to cook. A glass of water to half a glass of rice, cover and wait til the water has gone. Olive oil not butter for the frying. Have to be v careful not to let anything burn though as the whole thing will be ruined.

Another idea: chicken and ginger. Marinade chicken in chopped stem ginger and add some syrup (from the ginger jar) and a splash of white wine and seasoning.

Same sort of thing with honey and lemon or lime.

Or garlic, white wine and chopped chilli.

Or you could do home made chicken kievs. The good food site has a couple of nice recipes.

TheDetective Fri 22-Feb-13 14:30:18

I'm bloody starving now I'm thinking of all this yummy food! And there is bugger all in the cupboards but the garage owners and the insurance cunts cupboards must be fit to burst.


DP be home soon. He can get me some foods!

BigPigLittlePig Fri 22-Feb-13 14:30:54

All I've eaten today is porridge and chocolate brownies (not together).

Having a real downer of a day today, so tired and I think I must have got out of bed on the wrong side - I am overwhelmed with love for LO but I would love if she would settle with someone else so I could have some me time during daylight hours. Feeling very 'meh' and teary, not me at all. Still, only 7 hours until bedtime and hopefully tomorrow will be better.

We had tartiflette last week, one of my faves.

TheDetective Fri 22-Feb-13 14:31:18

They sound less healthy. Are they healthy? ARE THEY? Tell me they are!!!!

TheDetective Fri 22-Feb-13 14:32:33

I have realised I spend most of my day doing singing and action rhymes with O. It is his favourite form of entertainment. hmm

Better brush up on my repertoire!

Catbag Fri 22-Feb-13 14:35:40

Tried to start reading 'State Accountability under International Law: Holding states accountable for a breach of jus cogens norms'. Got 20 pages in, sobbed about being stupid, put babies on the feeding cushion, the Matrix on the tv and am now slobbed on the sofa, awaiting cheesy pasta with peri peri sauce courtesy of DH. Stupid Mummy sad

PetiteRaleuse Fri 22-Feb-13 14:44:29

I don't consider them unhealthy. A nutritionist might disagree.

And couscous and quinoa are very worthy alternatives to rice

TheDetective Fri 22-Feb-13 14:52:53

I've never liked couscous, it is the texture. Never tried quinoa. Is it expensive in comparison to rice?

Cat Do you want me to give you a friendly slap?! Shut it, the only stupid mummy is the one thinking she is stupid! And that is not you, OKAY?!

I couldn't even think about doing what you are. It is enough that I remember to put a bra on when I go out.

PetiteRaleuse Fri 22-Feb-13 15:00:56

I'm not keen on couscous either. Quinoa no idea how much it costs over there. It's got a kind of nutty taste to it. If you don't like the texture of couscous I guess you wouldn't like it though.

Cat 20 pages of that on a Friday afternoon is more than enough.

Kyzordz Fri 22-Feb-13 15:18:17

detective e doesn't like me eating either. He wakes up if he's asleep and if I eat he whinges and cries. I'd love a warm meal in peace!

I think next time I encounter a situation with a friend who won't give him back thetiger and passme I'll just take him back, or try to as you suggested. He is a good baby but Is still only a baby despite his size so does cry sometimes and just want me! He's being quite clingy today too actually.

Foody Friday, I like it. I'm having pizza tonight, very unhealthy but never mind!

PetiteRaleuse Fri 22-Feb-13 15:20:37

What time was Eliza's appointment? It was today right?

TheDetective Fri 22-Feb-13 15:22:58

Kyzord we just leave him whinging now and eat quickly. I got sick of cold food and not eating as a family. The only time I pick him up is if he is tired or hungry because he clearly needs me then. General pick me up and give me all your attention just gets ignored in favour of heartburn/indigestion!.

Oooh I like foody Friday!

Glenda if you're off to Cornwall then I suggest you get yourself to Callestick Farm if you're nearby, they do lovely fresh lunches and their ice cream is to die for! My parents live in Cornwall and its a rare trip to see them that doesn't involve a lunch there!

Have you guys seen this interesting article on the BBC news website today?

Contradictionincarnate Fri 22-Feb-13 16:05:14

foody Friday luckily when my dad finally got here we went to art cafe a small walk away I had brushetta á pomodoro but my brain isn't working so I just said bruschetta and tomatoes got a hotchoclate and home made patchwork cat cushion as present for my friend.
det what about veggie spag bol with your mince I make a delish one with lots of veg like a ratatouille one...courgettes and aubergines which I bake and fry fake mince first with onions and mushrooms and sometimes wine though when I do that more goes in me than the pan

I am thinking of Eliza too hope all is well!

Pikz Fri 22-Feb-13 16:07:49

Miss laugh my Finnish friend swears by it...

Contradictionincarnate Fri 22-Feb-13 16:10:04

miss how interesting there was I thinking maybe we should skip the walk today when infact I should just plonk her outside!! smile

fruitpastilles Fri 22-Feb-13 16:11:03

All this food talk is making me soooo hungry! I didn't get to have any lunch today, and I'm hank!!
I bought S a nursery rhymes DVD that come today, it looks like the cheapest DVD ever made, it's a mixture of puppets, what looks like a pop up book and real people, she seemed to like it though!
Does anyone know of any good ones? I was hoping that one would have actions, because I don't know any songs with actions to sing with her!

Contradictionincarnate Fri 22-Feb-13 16:17:08

I second that fruit I don't know any actions either! det could you make a fbook video? kinda like an exercise one but rhyme instruction... perhaps old McDonald had a dog too so we can see your woof! wink

PetiteRaleuse Fri 22-Feb-13 16:20:26

You could go on youtube and make your fortune doing videos.

Passmethecrisps Fri 22-Feb-13 16:32:12

I do a nice line in incy wincy spider!

I got a book from my HV full of rhymes and actions to do.

Appointment with dietician was interesting. She doesn't see a need to rush to weaning but also had some interesting chat about 'early' weaning. She says the worldwide advice is a combination of trying to encourage better health practices across the world and also to try to get people to wait until 4 months at least. She said when the guidelines said 4 months people did it at 3 months and so on. Apparently there was a big furore in the dietician community because there is no evidence that waiting until 6 month makes any difference re allergies. She said it was more important to understand clear signs of a baby being actually ready and work from that. Signs such as a weakened tongue thrust reflex - p showed her awesomely strong tongue thrust by pinging her dummy out of her mouth just as we were mentioning it.

So, in short careful weaning when the baby is physically ready is key for reflux. She did say that reflux babies can be harder to wean due to some natural anxieties about putting things in their mouths. They like to be able to discern exactly what it is. Apparently they are not keen on various things mixed together because they can't work out what it is.

She also wants us to move from IG to carobel. I must admit to being a bit reluctant as I was feeling ok about IG. She feels that while p is not strictly constipated her daily play doh poo while help by me is not ok.

Anyone got any advice about carobel? Might go off and start a thread about it.

BigPigLittlePig Fri 22-Feb-13 16:35:28

miss given that she won't nap inside in the warmth, I can't see she'll nap outside. But at least you can't hear the screams!?

My gran was saying that when her 2 children were babies they fed them first thing then stuck them outside in the pram til lunch. This was repeated in the afternoon whilst the mums had tea dates!. She was amazed to see how much time I spend holding LO and quite sad for the missed opportunities with her babies (now in their 50s)

Contradictionincarnate Fri 22-Feb-13 16:40:53

passme looks like the appointment went well- a silver lining.
just when I think I have made up my mind about weaning I see something else that changes my mind originally I was thinking 4 months then 6 months then 4 then 6 months again! <confused emoticon>

Contradictionincarnate Fri 22-Feb-13 16:43:43

just re read my post so wean at 5 months then ha ha!!

PetiteRaleuse Fri 22-Feb-13 16:56:52

I didn't do my carrot puree. Damn. Definitely tomorrow.

ValiumQueen Fri 22-Feb-13 17:12:56

I would not be keen to let them nap outside with foxes and wasps around. And Baby snatchers.

Well, had a shock at the dentist. Mainly went to get DD1s front teeth checked following her injury the other week. No concerns about them, but she has a massive abscess that has been there for weeks apparently. It does not hurt as it is draining, but a huge lump on her gum. She said she had a sore tooth for 1 day at Christmas, and we put it down to too much chocolate as nothing to see and pain went fast. DH has been in charge of teeth brushing since I broke my leg. I am now in charge again. I am horrified we did not notice, and was gutted that she needed a drilling, antibiotics, and may lose the tooth. sad

Sophiathecheesefairy Fri 22-Feb-13 17:15:43

I am so proud of you pr

PetiteRaleuse Fri 22-Feb-13 17:17:03

Thank you smile

ValiumQueen Fri 22-Feb-13 17:17:53

Her breath has been interesting for a couple of weeks but we put it down to the germ we have had. I am finding it hard to not blame DH.

J stayed with grandma and had a bottle fine. Very proud of both of them. He was good as gold, and she said it was like having me back again as I was her third.

Contradictionincarnate Fri 22-Feb-13 17:18:31

yeah pr incase you missed it...you rock!!

ValiumQueen Fri 22-Feb-13 17:20:06

I was proud of you anyway PR grin

Glad the appt was ok pass

DS wakes up as soon as I sit down for a rest or with a drink or food.

Made flapjack today.

PetiteRaleuse Fri 22-Feb-13 17:21:07


Contradictionincarnate Fri 22-Feb-13 17:21:11

well done tiny vq I'm getting v nervous tommorow dd goes to stay with my ma and pa until Sunday!!! eek!

ValiumQueen Fri 22-Feb-13 17:21:27

Our next thread should mentionPR in the title so people know she is in our quiche.

Contradictionincarnate Fri 22-Feb-13 17:22:17

guess what I'm eating and dd is snoozing (at the mo) wonders never cease!! smile

PetiteRaleuse Fri 22-Feb-13 17:22:25

grin I really really don't think it should VQ

ValiumQueen Fri 22-Feb-13 17:22:40

contra she will be fine. You will not. But you will survive. It gets easier.

ValiumQueen Fri 22-Feb-13 17:23:30


Sophiathecheesefairy Fri 22-Feb-13 17:25:56

I do actually know children who have had serious problems due to the number taker detective however was the first programme DS1 coud be guaranteed to sit in front of and not move till the end.

Contradictionincarnate Fri 22-Feb-13 17:27:37

we should have a vote re pr in being in the title! I second you vq sooo pr you are outvoted!!!
maybe it should say the quiche with pr-yes really!

Contradictionincarnate Fri 22-Feb-13 17:28:41

oh and vq thanks for reassuring me!

Contradictionincarnate Fri 22-Feb-13 17:29:08

think it is me I'm worried about though! wink

Sophiathecheesefairy Fri 22-Feb-13 17:29:25

I too think we should have pr as our emblem! grin

Pikz Fri 22-Feb-13 17:30:54

I too think pr is our figurehead

PennieLane Fri 22-Feb-13 17:31:28

They do Raclette sets in Lidl for £5-highly recommend it!

I saw that article, I really agree. LO goes out for at least at hour all weathers, but I wouldn't just leave her unattended.

My LO is totally uninterested in food, 4 months would be too soon for us. We're having jacket pots tonight-yum yum!

MissMummy1 Fri 22-Feb-13 17:33:03

Mmm food talk envy envy envy

I am eating trifle sponges. Life has hit an all new low. blush mainly because dp the selfish arse that he is ate all the curry I made this morning for tonight's meal angry

I third a PR title grin

I used to pull allnighters all the time at uni when I went out on the piss assignments were due in. Why is it impossible now? Matilda better sleep tonight or else eBay is calling....

PetiteRaleuse Fri 22-Feb-13 17:35:41

<runs and hides>

BigPigLittlePig Fri 22-Feb-13 17:39:04

MM I used to wonder about that too - no probs seeing the sunrise when fuelled by alcohol/deadlines but on night shifts/feeding frenzies - hideous.

We had sausage and bean casserole tonight, with sliced baguette on top. Yum. I intend to finish the sticky toffee pudding off in a bit too grin

I haven't left LO for more than 40 minutes, and when I got back, she was screaming and dh was sweating and nearly in tears Doesn't fill me with hope! In 3 months time I'm going to have to start leaving her for 11 hiours a day sad

BigPigLittlePig Fri 22-Feb-13 17:40:04

The downside of having pr in our thread title - might we attract some unwanted attention from revenge seeking shit-stirring dm hacks ??

PetiteRaleuse Fri 22-Feb-13 17:41:38

Today's news, tomorrow's fish and chips wrapper.

And we'e back to fish and chips angry grin

PurplePidjin Fri 22-Feb-13 18:18:11

Mug full of red lentils, 3 mugs of water (4 in a casserole in the oven) tsp each curry powder, ginger, cinnamon, cumin, 2 cardamom pods. Slow cook/low oven for a few hours.

1 onion, 2 carrots, 2 parsnips, 1/2 tub mushrooms, 4 chicken thighs, clove of garlic, s+p, tin of toms, 1/2 pint stock. Again with the slow cooker/oven. Skip the chicken if wanted.

Songs we do:
*Wheels on the bus - move arms round for wheels, side to side for wipers, out and in for doors, tap tummy for the horn, tap nose for the bell
*Head, shoulders, knees and toes in both English and French
*The Grand Old Duke Of York - lift baby as appropriate
*If You're Happy And You Know It - he grasps my thumbs and we do clap, touch head, touch toes, all three
*Row Your Boat - he holds my thumbs and i gently pull him up then back
*Ring Of Roses - hold him standing, circle for the ring lines, up for atishoo, sit down on Down

Usually while I'm slumped on the sofa or in bed and he's propped up on my knees!

ValiumQueen Fri 22-Feb-13 18:23:01

This is no ordinary thread, this is a PR thread (like M&S)

ValiumQueen Fri 22-Feb-13 18:23:21

Or quiche

ValiumQueen Fri 22-Feb-13 18:26:30

We do row row row the boat, and the girls scream very loudly. We obviously do not laugh when J jumps out of his skin, but he does!

PetiteRaleuse Fri 22-Feb-13 18:28:48

We do all Pidj does, plus Nelliethe Elephant whereby DD1 and I g round pretending we are elephants and LO sits there laughing taking the piss

ChunkyChicken Fri 22-Feb-13 18:41:50

Humpty dumpty with baby "falling" off the wall.

Twinkle twinkle with hands as twinkling stars, then pointing to the sky, describing a world shape, then forming a diamond, then back to twinkles.

Wind the bobbin up. You'd need to look that one up...

5 little ducks went swimming one day. Actions for 5 (4, 3, 2, 1), swimming, hills & far away, quacking.

5 little speckled frogs.(no actions)

5 little monkeys jumping on the bed.

And various other silly songs blush

fruitpastilles Fri 22-Feb-13 18:45:39

I feel sorry for S now, all she gets is me singing wailing at her!
Off to google songs with actions now!

ValiumQueen Fri 22-Feb-13 18:48:55

Not sure PR should do Humpty Dumpty grin

TheDetective Fri 22-Feb-13 18:51:20

It doesn't have to be all singing all dancing fruit! I do roughly what pidj does!

I'll link to what I am going to order for O when I have £! once on the laptop! Currently cradling the little sucker! He's chomping and sucking away on his hands fingers and muslin!

Am wondering if we could get away with dinner now.

No. Probably not. hmm

ChunkyChicken Fri 22-Feb-13 18:52:05

How many verses of row row do you do VQ?

I have discovered you can make it last 5.
*Stream - crocodile - scream.
*River - polar bear - shiver.
*Back to shore - lion - roar.
*Rock the boat, gently to & fro, wibble wobble, over the side you go!!

<whistles, looking nonchalantly, tries to pretend she doesn't remember more nursery rhymes than current pop songs>

PetiteRaleuse Fri 22-Feb-13 18:52:37

Oi VQ I heard that <sulks> smile

Elizadoesdolittle Fri 22-Feb-13 18:52:41

Hi, thanks all for thinking of me. The consultant was pleased with E's progress so didn't want to move forward with submitting us into hospital just yet. I told him about the sns and he'd never heard of one and was impressed. I had no joy with it last night though. I had trouble getting her to wake up properly to suck and I started to get stressed so the combination just wasn't good. I won't be doing it at night again as I got very little sleep and I think she actually ended up feeding less than normal. We are back on Wednesday for another check so the saga continues. We've got a quiet time between now and then though so I can concentrate on using the sns as much as possible during the day.

In other news, DD1 has been dry since may last year and using toilets without any issues. She now refuses to get on toilets for fear of falling in them. She must have had an incident of slipping into the toilet when i wasn't around. It's got so bad that yesterday she wet herself 3 times at my mums (we don't go there very often so it's not a familiar toilet) and when we got in today she couldn't find her potty so she shat herself. I have to say that I did lose my temper with her when she did that as she has a toilet trainer seat which she normally uses without any issues. Not my finest hour! In my defence I have been very stressed this week. Might have to post in potty training forum as nothing I am doing is working.

God my posts have been depressing of late. DH back tonight thank god and then the in laws on Sunday. How single parents and or people without a support network cope I'll never know. MN has been a lifeline for me too. I'm very lucky.

I'm starving...off to raid the chocolate cupboard.

PetiteRaleuse Fri 22-Feb-13 18:55:58

Great news!!! Don't worry aout dd1, she'll forget very quickly. W all lose our temper from time to time.

ChunkyChicken Fri 22-Feb-13 18:56:22

And ha ha VQ.

fruit I couldn't remember any when DD was born (hence singing a made-up song to the winnie the pooh theme, as couldn't even remember words to that - mentioned on a previous thread). But going to Rhyme Time at the local library or Moving & Grooving at the local Sure Start Childrens centre soon solved that wink

<starts humming "I'm a dingle dangle scarecrow...">

MadamGazelleIsMyMum Fri 22-Feb-13 18:59:03

Wind the bobbin up is the number one nursery rhyme in this house. It used to be Row the Boat until DD wanted to "row" DS enthusiastically.

Busy day here after crap night last night, DS has apparently conked out, DH is battling DD to sleep, so I am thinking of going to bed at 7pm blush

Brockle Fri 22-Feb-13 19:04:15

I love dingle dangle scarecrow chunky smile we like sleeping bunnies but row row is prob Y's favourite. he also likes doggy in the window.

fruitpastilles Fri 22-Feb-13 19:09:34

We are starting at jo jingles next week chunky I'm hoping I'll learn some there, they do all singing things I believe. I think I'll enjoy it more than S.

TheDetective Fri 22-Feb-13 19:19:08

Yes. You probably will fruit grin

My favourite verse of row row row the boat, is...

If you see your daddies bum don't forget to scream.


Eliza that is great news!

MadamGazelleIsMyMum Fri 22-Feb-13 19:20:12

PR just read that thread and you were marvellous!!
<proud to be in the same quiche>

PetiteRaleuse Fri 22-Feb-13 19:24:12

Thank you <takes a bow> can we just forget it now please blush

Passmethecrisps Fri 22-Feb-13 19:25:09

I am rubbish at remembering these songs. I make them up - earlier I was singing "giraffes are delicious, gifarres are nutritious" over and over again in a sort of soprano stylee. She is a fan of that tune from a bank advert - it is just a high pitched voice rather than singing. She was proper big eyed at that when I sung it.

We were are baby sensory today but I end up giggling at how rubbish I am at singing and doing the actions.

I think it's a good idea to not use the system at night eliza. Ridiculous as it sounds try to stay relaxed when feeding as she will take her cue from you. I am really pleased that the consultant doesn't feel the need for her to be admitted.

I used to work in a food factory BTW. I can categorically state that we never used horse there might have been boggies and other nasties but never horse

Passmethecrisps Fri 22-Feb-13 19:26:56

No PR! No we cannot because we are shining in your reflected glory.

It was a very funny summary of the thread. I like how the commenter at the bottom who said the MN was full of bullies got put right.

Chunky I often think of your Winnie the Pooh song. I sing a version of What shall we do with the Drunken Sailor but change it to Silly Mummy and the verses are things like 'do a big poo and make her clean it' and similar.

Eliza that is good news. I really hope you have success with the sns. I think at night just keep things simple, I don't do a top up at night for the same reason. You don't need any more stress!

Sophiathecheesefairy Fri 22-Feb-13 19:46:32

Oooo * chunkster*

I think you have missed

Creak - mouse- squeak

DS1 loves the Monkey's bouncingon the bed

Also Tommy thumb, remember that?! grin

ChunkyChicken Fri 22-Feb-13 20:19:37

D'oh! Sophia shall add to my "repertoire" grin

blonder blush love the drunken sailor thing. smile

Eliza glad DD is making progress & agree with pass. Day time use is prob enough - use night time for quick feeds back to sleep bonding & skin to skin cuddles smile

TheDetective Fri 22-Feb-13 20:28:23

That fucking DOG!!!!

Raging. She tripped me up with a plate full of dinner and the commotion woke O.

angry does not describe me right now!!

We waited til after he went asleep so we could try and have tea together. Yet again. Another meal fucked up.

Fucking fucking bastard dog. She can sleep in the hall tonight. GRRR.

Bet she just wanted me to drop the plate because she knows she gets to clean it up. hmm

Evilwater Fri 22-Feb-13 20:51:20

Well foodie Friday, tonight I cooked pork Hungarian style with rice.

Been a good day, I've talked to MIL and she agreed with me that N needs to go to nursey. We have had a nice day at home, but he cried a bit from 5.

I've also complained to my drs about that receptionist. I got a phone call back, and it was the manger and she apologised! grin I can't believe she wouldn't give me a appointment unless I told her! This seems to be a trend with receptionists.
I'm also booked in for a coil. At last, no pills. Any opinions/experiances on weather I should have the copper one or the one with the hormone?


Good on you evil. What is it about bloody receptionists thinking they know it all?

I have had a very grumpy little boy today which isn't like him at all. He has had terrible diarrhoea for a week now so it's understandable but I hate seeing him so upset. The doctor thinks he has just picked up a virus but we are waiting for some test results to come back to rule out an infection. I called today but they're not back yet so I'll be fretting over it all weekend now sad

PetiteRaleuse Fri 22-Feb-13 21:27:51

sad keep an eye out for signs of dehydration won't you. Hope he gets better soon.

Evilwater Fri 22-Feb-13 21:29:47

Apple- I understand that they need to prioritise, but if someone says "I'd rather not say" surely they could say is it urgent or routine? Any way I was very impressed with the call back.


He is still drinking as normal so that's a relief. The doctor said to take him back straight away if that changes or he starts vomiting which I would of course. He is teething as well so has that to deal with on top. Poor mite.

Argh! J has cried for the last few days, well actually it's just shouting and thrashing about, he will not be put down and I'm slowly losing the plot hmm

Evilwater Fri 22-Feb-13 21:41:49

Oh no tits!
Thinking of you apple.


MissMummy1 Fri 22-Feb-13 21:44:03

Remember my rant about the ignorant dinosaur/pervert in the docs surgery the other day? Well turns out it's caused them to review their policy. I told my aunt (the only normal receptionist!) and she discussed it with my gp - mortified doesn't cover it blush - but turns out in future all any woman made to feel uncomfortable while bfing has to do is mention it to staff and the perpetrator will be asked to leave the waiting room! grin

Still embarassed my aunt didnt seem to think I was capable of sticking up for myself and said as much to my gp. hmm I am famous in my family for being quite shouty and riteous blush

TooManyDicksOnTheDancefloor Fri 22-Feb-13 21:48:44

Phew, I've finally caught up! I've been at my parents for two nights in Wales with my two girls. Little B slept 12 hours while we were away, 7.30-7.30, tonight she won't settle at all.

I've read so much over the last two hours I can't remember what I was going to comment on. Hope everyone has a restful night.

Kyzordz Fri 22-Feb-13 21:51:54

Hope he feels better soon apple

Cor I've had a cracking headache all day, it won't sod off!

detective I'm forever tripping over the dogs, bloody critters are always underfoot! You'll get a meal in peace one day hopefully! Takes so much planning though doesn't it!

Glad E wasn't admitted eliza

I forget what else I wanted to say as per effing usual!

Trying to stay awake long enough to feed e, was gonna feed him at about 10:15, not long now. One of these days I'll be brave enough to just go to sleep and let him wake me when he's hungry, see what happens!

Hope everyone has a lovely sleep filled night tonight smile I shall be persuading e to have a lie in tomorrow morning I think I hope

Evilwater Fri 22-Feb-13 22:04:53

Right off to bed! I Deffo need it.
Off to see my nan, and hear the words "oh he's grown!" And all the other usual weekend things. I'm hoping for a warmer day tomorrow, as I'm itching for a walk, that won't turn me into a ice cube.

Elizadoesdolittle Fri 22-Feb-13 22:16:26

apple sorry he is poorly. Hope he gets better soon.

tits poor j and poor you!

Hugs to you both.

E is such a little minx. Seems like she's sussed what I'm trying to do and as soon as the milk starts flowing from the tube she unlatches. I'm doing exactly the same thing as I did yesterday. Luckily at the moment I'm laughing. What a tinker.

Re nursery rhymes and songs, DD1's faves are wind the bobbin up, twinkle twinkle, dingle dangle scarecrow, wheels on the bus and row the boat. I was having a conversation with my friends about kiddie music. A lot of my friends put nursery CDs on in their cars. I refuse to put them on, although to be fair DD1 never asks. My car is my sanctuary and I think it would drive me insane if I constantly had to put twiddley kiddie music on. She likes listening to the radio but objected when I put my 90's dance anthems cd on and said it was just noise grin

GTbaby Fri 22-Feb-13 22:18:08

Ok. I'm going to sound loony. But can your baby be to good.
He had a bit of a tantrum earlier when mil had him. Tried calming him down didn't work. Changed his clothes and nappy. Tried feeding. Bouncy chair. Play mat. My room. Put him in his crib and walked out.
He hasn't been like this in a while so was strange even for half an hour. So left him calmed down a bit. Still kinda moaning. So go bk in 20 manage to feed him. Then left. As is usual as he normally falls asleep. But today I went bk up maybe 45min later and he is awake sucking his thumb looking at his Mobil. Quite happy just alone.

A few times I've gone in in the morning and he is the same, awake n just chilling. Now starting to wonder how long he does this for before he starts calling.

Am I crazy for worrying that my baby is happy being alone? I mean am I not affectionate enough? I'm starting to think all crazy things. I've messed my baby up!
He does laugh n smile n make eye contact with me and other ppl do he doesn't dislike contact with ppl.
Ok I think I'm going crazy hmm

TheDetective Fri 22-Feb-13 22:18:22

Nick nack paddy whack is a good one for actions!

Bloody he'll YouTube has a lot to answer for. There are some scary terrible versions of nursery rhymes on there! With wrong words grrr! The wheels on the bus go round and round all day long. Not the wheels of the bus go round and round all round the town. angry

Poor O is very confused after our youtubing! We stuck with Disney classics after that. Can't go wrong with a bit of Disney!

Pissed off with the dog still. O been unsettled all evening and has spent the last hour wide awake after we spent the previous 90 minutes settling him. angry

Dog is on boring dog food only tomorrow. Hmpfffffffff.

TheDetective Fri 22-Feb-13 22:22:29

O gets a bit of Disney in the car because I like it! We counter that with some Aerosmith, ACDC, Biffy Clyro, Green Day, Metallica, Queen etc. He gets a wide variation! grin

TheDetective Fri 22-Feb-13 22:23:53

GT he sounds just perfect! Stop fretting! Everyone, even babies, needs a little time alone just to be!

Contradictionincarnate Fri 22-Feb-13 22:32:29

gt I think that too my dd squeaks and I think I will get up in a min next thing I know its been over an hour <bad mum emoticon>
dd seems quite content on her own on playmat which I thought was good as allows me to get a shower and has let me express for 30 mins every morning this week but then I feel bad she doesn't like being entertained by me ... sad
she loves her dad entertaining her though he sings all sorts of rap take that etc ...
I wish I could go to a rhyme class or something but can't drive and trying to get buses etc very awkward! (they wouldn't go straight there may need to transfer etc).

GT I often wake up in the morning to find babylaughalot smiling at the ceiling or her hands, and I'll have no idea how long she's been awake for!

Ugh, this baby will not sleep though! 2hrs 20 mins since I brought her upstairs and she's been feeding for most of that time. Is this 12 week growth spurt behaviour, she's 12+2?

Also why can I bounce her around in her pram on the crap pavements around here and she'll stay asleep, but moving gently and slowly from our bed to her basket, all of 20cm away, makes her go from snoozing to instantly awake?!!

horseylady Fri 22-Feb-13 22:36:07

Hello!! Taken me all day to catch up.

Good to hear about good babies!! And famous people.

Sorry about lost dinners etc. and bad teeth,

I've been reading different countries weaning guidelines because I have nothing better to do......it's very interesting!! In most countries they would be advising I weaned him in the next couple of weeks. Pretty much the uk and USA advise later.

Contradictionincarnate Fri 22-Feb-13 22:48:38

dh giving dd formula as she was really fussing on boob like the good ol days ... I could regret this!

PetiteRaleuse Fri 22-Feb-13 22:52:38

Strange. About an hour ago LO was asleep in her pram and woke screaming. Ok, last feed time. I try that, no. Nappy change, no, still screaming with real tears and a very angry face. A jiggly session on knee, tears and accusatory face.

So I say, right don't know what you want, off to bed with you.

Not a peep since. She just wanted her bed. I love her. Not sure she'll last the night without a feed but hey, it's Friday, DH can deal with that but screaming to go to bed? I like. Wish DD1 would be as interested in sleeping.

Cacacaz Fri 22-Feb-13 22:59:05

detective I love Chinese 5 spice chicken and tandoori chicken. I don't have my recipe book right now, gave it to my DM the other day. Let me know if you want the recipes. Have also heard chicken with fantastic orange is lovely and very like Chinese sweet and sour.

I took M to the doctors this morning, he has a cough and cold, apparently justviralamdnothing to worry about. I did think the cough had gone into his chest. Doctor was lovely and didn't treat me like the paranoid Mum I am.

We sing lots of songs in the house, Nursery rhymes galore from me < 12 years working with children to thank for that> and DH makes up songs. The current favourite appears to be Mummies milk, mummies milk I love mummies milk, which results in the cutest little giggle. In the car we listen to either the radio, Rihanna, Fun ora bookbug Cd from the library.

MM good to hear the surgery are reviewing their policy.

GT I think you are over thinking it, he is obviously happy and would soon let you know otherwise

Applei hope lo feels better soon, it's horrible when they are ill isn't it.

kirrinIsland Fri 22-Feb-13 23:07:48

miss laugh I feel your pain. n seems to have cot radar. She will be totally asleep (blow on her face, pick up and drop an arm and no reaction asleep) but awakes as soon as I lower her into the cot. She often doesn't even reach the mattress before her eyes ping open! It's so frustrating.

She is, however, asleep in her pram right now, and has been for over an hour. This is the first evening I have had 2 free arms in over 14 weeks!

tits and apple sympathy to you both. Hope the weekend is better for you.

Contradictionincarnate Fri 22-Feb-13 23:21:51

miss my dd too kirrin pram/cot alert is a good term ... my dd is asleep now let's see what happens!

Passmethecrisps Fri 22-Feb-13 23:24:29

GT I have this concern too - it is not just you. P can be awake for an hour I reckon without actually needing us there. Mind you - during the day I can't leve her alone despite the fact she doesn't want to actually sit on me. Weirdo

GT and pass You should count yourselves lucky that you have very content babies. I wouldn't worry about it.

Passmethecrisps Sat 23-Feb-13 00:03:35

For sure apple. It just goes to show that there really is not end to the things we worry about

daisychain76 Sat 23-Feb-13 00:17:11

Chunky there is also grizzly bear ~ cave~ wave!

On the food front, today l have made 24 coconut cherry muffins, 15 choc brownie cupcakes, 20 buns and a large cake for H‘s christening on Sunday. Only stopped cos rann out of caster sugar. Feel all domesric godess~y for once.

StuntNun Sat 23-Feb-13 00:26:54

Detective we make Cheesy Chickpea Enchiladas. Fry a sliced (red) onion, sliced pepper, can of chickpeas, can of tomatoes, bit of tomato puree, chilli powder and/or sweet chilli sauce, ground cumin, ground coriander, black pepper and coriander leaf if you have it. Cook over a highish heat so it thickens a little. Then roll up in fajitas, sprinkle grated cheese on and pop under the grill to melt the cheese. Serve with sour cream or natural yoghurt or creme fraiche. Very yummy and low fat if you don't use too much cheese.

Contradictionincarnate Sat 23-Feb-13 02:04:38

bloody typical! sad
Thursday she sleeps 10.30-10
and I had no where to be on Friday. tommorow I'm out - out out all day first time since 3rd of March last year and so far its been 12-2 and I didn't even sleep much through that! I have a sore throat and feel very hot! and sorry for myself sad

Contradictionincarnate Sat 23-Feb-13 02:07:05

think daisy you win foody Friday!! smile can you cater for dd's christening?

StuntNun Sat 23-Feb-13 03:02:52

Where's the rest of the night shift then? J fed at 8, 11:30, now we're on the second feed since 2:30. I had a nap at 8:30 and DS2 woke me two or three times in 40 minutes so I had to give up on that. I may not survive the weekend. confused

ValiumQueen Sat 23-Feb-13 03:42:00

I am here stunt sorry about your poo night. J slept from 10 to 3.30 so well chuffed. I am beginning to dare things might be getting better.

GT just be grateful. Chances are your next baby may be less chilled.

Thank you for the additional verses, I will endeavour to incorprocate them into my repertoir.

Cannot remember nuffin else. Sorry.

ChunkyChicken Sat 23-Feb-13 04:03:58

Why? Why? Why?!!!! Why has he stopped sleeping properly? He keeps stirring & making noise, building up to quite a level quite quickly (although not full on crying/screaming) when his dummy has fallen out. He isn't hungry as he accepts the dummy & I refuse to feed him just for him to unlatch & both of us get covered in milk. I know lots of people have had this since birth or for weeks, but he was SO good!!! Please say this is the sleep regression thing so I have hope that it will pass. I can't do the waking every 1.5hrs ALL NIGHT LONG much more!!!

Tits Apple stunt ((hugs))

VQ hope tonight is the start of something good...

daisy excellent!! 7 verses now? I'll have to write them down... grin

evil glad your MIL was on your side about nursery.

missL kirrin contra have you tried just putting them down awake? My DS often stirs on transfer but will thankfully given his current night time behaviour settle himself to sleep if he's full & warm, sometimes needing a dummy. If they're crying, that's different obviously...

DS is off AGAIN sad

ValiumQueen Sat 23-Feb-13 04:17:32

chunky I forget how old your LO is, but if over 15 weeks or so, it will be sleep regression although usually involves growth spurt too.

J took an hour to feed and settle again. Thank goodness for MINUTE and you guys. He will be 4 months old tomorrow.

My left boobie is sore. Blocked duct. Has happened a few times but usually eases quicker. He hates my left one as it is not a good milker at all.

ChunkyChicken Sat 23-Feb-13 04:18:31

This explains it all I really, really hope it doesn't last for MONTHS, like another site said sad, just a couple of weeks...

ValiumQueen Sat 23-Feb-13 04:18:36

MN not fucking MINUTE fucking auto correct.

ValiumQueen Sat 23-Feb-13 04:19:49

Cannot link as on phone chunky will look in morning. Hope you get some rest! X

ChunkyChicken Sat 23-Feb-13 04:22:53

Thanks VQ. He's only 14+6 today but he's been a tad early on spurts etc. Read the site I've just linked to & its spot on (fussy, not seeming to want feeding, grumpy etc) so guess he will be wanting more feeds soon too... Sorry about the boob. Feed first on that one & heat etc. Hope it gets better soon.

glendathefedupwitch Sat 23-Feb-13 05:54:13

The shittest night ever!!!

She went down as normal at 10 until dd1 woke up with a fucking night terror wish they would fuck the fuck off screaming so woke her up

There then followed 3 fucking hours of trying to get the baby to sleep - I tried everything and was ready to leave her crying all fucking night when I got her another ff - 1oz and she crashed!!! All that fucking drama for one fucking ounce!!! Finally get her asleep and transferred at 3am and am now awake with her again noooooooooo not 2 fucking hours sleep - I need 7!! Dh goes to the loo doesn't even acknowledge her and goes the fuck back to sleep - twat!!!!!

I'm staying in bed all fucking day and he can have the baby and do the housework and go shopping and make dinner !!! Twat!!!

I'm full of snot and got a shitty headache and feeling very woe is me

Apologies for the rant shock

ValiumQueen Sat 23-Feb-13 06:20:49

(Cautiously gives glenda a hug) hope you get your day in bed and feel better soon.

DS woke again after 2 hours, screamed, but will not feed as keeps going to sleep literally as soon as he clamps on. I have put him down again and he is yowling. Hope he self settles before he wakes the girls.

Very good night. One waking as I class 6am as morning.

ValiumQueen Sat 23-Feb-13 06:29:40

He carried on yowling and is now feeding. Rascal.

DH has a rare weekend off and wants to go out for the day as a family. I would like to try to sort the house, go shopping, put laundry away etc. All the stuff I do not get time to do when I am home with three kids. Grr!

TheDetective Sat 23-Feb-13 06:59:18

chunky feeling your pain! We have had 3 weeks of sleep regression. The last 2 nights finally seem to have bought calm.

He has just done 10-5.30 but only fed at 6.30. Slept a little fitfully on me til then.

Baby steps... Baby steps!'

I haven't done anything differently. But he has. He suddenly decided 7.30 was his bedtime. Sadly the dog fucked that one up last night.

Contrary little buggers aren't they? hmm

Glenda know the feeling. 1oz after fussing and crying and sounding like the world is ending. It's like WTF?!! All that, for THIS!!

Okay. Feed done. Back to sleep!

cacacaz yes please!

Loving the recipes thank you! Cherry coconut cakes OMG they sound like heaven!

TheDetective Sat 23-Feb-13 07:00:41

VQ well fucking done J! 5.5 hours is amazing!

horseylady Sat 23-Feb-13 07:37:56

Well done j for not being so bad!!! Vq I only have one ds and still don't get the laundry away. I think this adds my not being able to have more than one theory.

Have good days peeps!!!

glendathefedupwitch Sat 23-Feb-13 07:45:44

Thank you vq though a hug might send me over the edgy into a blubbering mess!! Dh is exactly the same - weekends are his downtime and he either wants to go out for the day as a family or he spends the whole day playing on ps3 while I carry on doing laundry, tidying, shopping, cooking..... Twat!!!! I'm going to divorce him for wearing earplugs - he says its cos I snore!!!! Twat!!!! What about his fucking walrus snoring?? Twat!!! Oh how I'd love to say that to his face but there's no point he won't change!!!

Recipes sound delicious but I hate cooking - it's a chore!!! If you could all send me enough for a family of four - I would pay you well!!!

Plonked Dottie in front of post man pat while the cup of tea and co codomol work on my headache!!!

detective out lab lies in door ways and is chocolate coloured so invisible!!! Times I've nearly tripped over the fat moose!!! She too is a Hoover for all spillages - she's gonna have a field day when Dottie starts on finger foods!!!

I'm so tempted to book a holiday in the sun on dh's credit card - but that would definitely spell divorce!!!

kirrinIsland Sat 23-Feb-13 07:50:06

Brilliant VQ Looks like you might be getting there!

chunky Putting her down awake in the cot really doesn't work - she gets upset and wound up instantly. But I'm trying in the pram in the evening and that seems to be going ok. And she took a dummy last night! not sure if I'm creating another problem though? I was hoping if I could create some good habits there - I.e. Settling herself to sleep in the pram with a dummy - I could then try again in the cot and she'd be ok. But I may end up with a baby who'll only sleep in the pram! Wish it were possible to rock a cot...

I understand your frustration chunky Hopefully you're suffering a minor blip and he'll go back to his usual habits soon.

glenda and stunt sympathies too - hope you manage to catch up on some sleep today.

Sophiathecheesefairy Sat 23-Feb-13 07:53:42

Good job J!

DH has taken boys for Saturday Costa. Mummy Fairy feeling fed up in bed as am still bleeding and now have terrible pelvic pain.

Sausages an coffee I think.

kirrinIsland Sat 23-Feb-13 07:56:27

Our dogs love toddler feeding time - it's like all their Christmases have come at once grin I call them the Canine Cleaning Team and it's brilliant - send them in, and then a quick wipe of the floor and you're done, I recommend it. I can't imagine having to clean up the mess she makes myself.

glenda I'd be using his card to book myself a spa break if I were you. A swift kick up the arse is needed. When do you get a break?

Donnadoon Sat 23-Feb-13 08:07:49

Oh Kirin what I would give for a dog that did do that, my dog is such a snob he only eats out of his bowl or what is personally handed to him.

StuntNun Sat 23-Feb-13 08:27:41

Oh Sophia that sounds awful, are you getting treatment for that? Why is it still so bad?

I had a tiff with DH last night (I know it was my first night back after my holiday.) J woke again at 5 and DH brought him to me for a feed. When he dropped off I hauled myself got out of bed to put him in his cot but he started to stir so I got back into bed to let him settle. Then DH went and dragged J into the middle of the bed waking him up. So he starts saying, "Why didn't you feed him, wouldn't he feed? He needs to be fed." I grumpily asserted that I had just fed him and he wasn't hungry and why did DH keep telling me to feed him, feed him, feed him all the time. Anyway DH stomped off downstairs with J, slammed a few doors and then sat singing to him very loudly. At least I got back to sleep, I'm really on the ropes here when it comes to sleep. DH has had a week of as much sleep as he wants, I've had much less than I usually get with being away from home. So he's irritated at J not going to sleep last night whereas I'm falling down exhausted. I just feel that we're not on the same page, DH's needs are so completely different to mine. He's having a really shit time at work so he needs a break when he comes home. But I desperately need more sleep so I can't easily provide a relaxing environment for him.

glendathefedupwitch Sat 23-Feb-13 08:27:58

kirrin I have a voucher for a hot stone massage and facial but never get round to booking it!!

I keep trying to prepare everyone for when I start uni next month but so far no one is taking up the reins - either they will all step up to the mark when needed or there will be no clean clothes/plates/area, no food in the fridge, no dog food, no where to sit and the place will be a sty - should it go like that I will be leaving for the period of my degree!!! Come march 18th after Dottie my priority lies with getting my degree!!!

In other news it looks like Dottie's left eye has finally cleared up and is gunk free - wooooooo 3 months of cleaning td was a drag!! Now she looks all pretty when she wakes up rather than like lily savage after a night out lol!!!

Witch is sleeping now!!! Daddy has until 10am as he was working until 4.30am - then he's having a Dottie day!!! Bottles made already!!

ChunkyChicken Sat 23-Feb-13 08:30:20

Good stuff VQ/*J*.

A went 11hrs between feeds. Yes. The WHOLE night. Except he failed to sleep. Not sure which is worse - 1-2 night feeds of 30mins max each or the repeated 5mins of dummy replacing/shushing/quick hug etc.

glenda nothing to say, just hugs.

glendathefedupwitch Sat 23-Feb-13 08:34:01

Awwwwww stunt it's so hard isn't it? Hugs for you - maybe have a chat and see if you can come to a compromise - take it in turns for say four hours when it's a bad night - that way it's not too long to go without sleep but a 4 hour chunk of sleep for the other person can be life saving!!!

Dh works 2 jobs - main job is 9-5 office based IT manager read say in ass all day on Facebook and 2nd one is fri & sat nights 9pm - 4am as a medic in a nightclub occasionally busy but usually sat in staff room watching downton so we both think the other has it easy!!

ChunkyChicken Sat 23-Feb-13 08:48:05

stunt just seem your post. That's hard. DH has been MUCH better since our argument/almost-split those weeks back. Even going as far as getting up to deal with DS on Thurs night. I think it took me saying "I know you're having a shit time at work & work is v important to you but..." and explaining why I needed help. They're his kids too, so your DH needs to be helping out as much as poss. Your 'job' is childcare when he's at work - when is your down-time? They don't see it as that hard I don't think. But then, they never do all of it do they? It's either childcare OR housework etc rarely both.

PetiteRaleuse Sat 23-Feb-13 09:01:01

Morning all. Looks like some of you had better nights, and some not. Stunt hope youRe ok.

kirrin I understand exactly what you mean re the canine cleaning team : o

PetiteRaleuse Sat 23-Feb-13 09:04:54

Ooops grin

horseylady Sat 23-Feb-13 09:05:20

stunt what cc said

Yes it's important they have 'recovery' time but you also need some time out too. Not a lot but a bit just keeps you sane. And sleep. Honestly I do not know how you guys are doing it.

Sophiathecheesefairy Sat 23-Feb-13 09:06:10

stunt do you know what? I think it really sounds like you and your DH need some child free time, even an hour just chat to each other. Even if it isn't about the kids, just chat and be together, forget work, forget not sleeping just be together.

The bleeding is Mirena induced. I didn't want it, as if bleeding is a side effect I tend to bleed. I have had PPH with three out of four of my births and not with the first only because it was ELCS. I feel tired and run down which annoys me because before I had it put in I was actually feeling really healthy and pretty damm good for having a new baby. I wanted to be sterilised and then use homeopathy to regulate my periods if I needed to. I have used homeopathy before and it worked brilliantly. Anyway I was too much of a wimp to stick up to the Dr.

The day it stops, if it ever does and I do actually have my doubts, you will here the cheer through your I pads/phones/laptops.

I have taken three paracetemol.hmm

I am having coffee and sausage and scrambled egg and listening to Saturday Live. DH in charge till lunch time! grin

ChunkyChicken Sat 23-Feb-13 09:16:06

Sophia out of curiosity, why wouldn't they sterilise you?

My DSis has a friend. She's 38yo, has 1 grown up son, 1 15yo & a 2yo DD. She asked to be sterilised but they said she was "too young". In contrast, if she wanted help to get pg at the same age, she's too old. hmm

Passmethecrisps Sat 23-Feb-13 09:33:50

Good morning lovely mum chums

stunt you sound pretty fed up this morning. Echoing sophia Is it possible for you to have some down time with DH? Most things are manageable if you feel you are working as a team - some time just the two of you if at all possible could be what you need.

sophia the bleeding sounds horrible. It is extremely wearing - I hope it eases soon.

Maybe a few days wearing dirty pants will be what is needed glenda!

I have posted on Facebook re a Scottish meet. I want to slobber over your babies.

PurplePidjin Sat 23-Feb-13 09:41:49

Wrt shit h's and p's, i have been taken aback at how useless dp is at entertaining a baby. Before R, i honestly believed that keeping a baby occupied was purely an application of intelligence - read the body language and act accordingly. No reason dp should be any less competent than me, we're both beginners.

I was wrong. And it's shocked me. He really doesn't know how, and he really does need me to teach him. And that's not unwillingness, either!

<shuffles blearily eyed onto the thread>

Worst. Night. Ever.

<falls asleep on sofa>

BigPigLittlePig Sat 23-Feb-13 10:16:33

Ok night here, after fearing the worst. It was actually an alarm clock that woke me up, rather than a hungry baby.

Dh is in an argumemtative mood today - think I'll send him out with the pressure washer to clean the car. Bless him, he has bought me the Saturday paper though. Not sure he realises I still haven't read last weeks blush

Can't remember what anyone said, but sympathy hugs to those who need them, celebratory high 5s to those who want them...erm...emjoy Saturday!

Oh pp the recipe you did (lentils/chicken) - presume it all ends up in one pot? Might give it a go...

BigPigLittlePig Sat 23-Feb-13 10:18:53

Meant to say, we had a tragedy in the pig household yesterday - dsd's fish (vanishingly rare pink guppy) died. Cue floods of tears, and a fishy funeral. Ariel is now buried in a matchbox in the flower beds, with a peg princess marking the spot, and prayers said.

Just hope the cat doesn't dig it back up confused

Thank God the 4 month sleep regression thing may have by passed our house. The girls are 21 weeks today and I didn't notice any of this. Their sleep pattern hasn't changed, they do seem to be eating more though.

Don't worry too much, it may not happen to your baby.

GT I still wonder if someone is playing a trick on me. I have two very contented babies who sleep well. I keep waiting for it to all go tits up but it hasn't yet.

Ah well.

DP is being pretty amazing and I feel so thankful he has finally woken the fuck up! I am going to lunch with a friend and he is looking after both of them on his own!

My DH is currently singing 'I like to Move It' by Reel 2 Reel ft the Mad Stuntman to the baby. He doesn't seem to mind.

We had an ok night overall, asleep at 10, but after feeding for an hour 3.30-4.30am, I put L back down 90% asleep and he sneezed seven times and woke himself up. He then kicked and wriggled and whined FOR ANOTHER HOUR despite much feeding/cuddling/shhing from me. He did sleep in the end though so I think I had it better than some of you.

We're now onto Ebenezer Goode. Dear DH.

PetiteRaleuse Sat 23-Feb-13 10:43:48

pixie I was like that with DD1. She was just an incredibly easy baby. Slept well, cheerful when awake. She's a bit more, erm, spirited now. LO other than illnesses has been similarly easy. I feel very lucky.

Right. I will definitely cook those carrots today.

So after weeks of sleeping 10 hours with 2 15 minute feeds last night she slept:


EVERY time she woke up she cried blue murder before feeding back to sleep. I thought she had wind as she was farting like a trooper each time she yelled but couldn't get any burps up through her crying. No idea what was wrong or how to help her get back to sleep without feeding her.

I'm exhausted. She's sleeping in her swing now and I went to head back to bed but our new neighbours next door are decorating and I can hear every scrape and knock and their loud crappy music through the wall sad

And DP is working today so I'm on my own.

Sorry for the self indulgent post. Is it wrong to have biscuits for brekkie?

PetiteRaleuse Sat 23-Feb-13 10:49:42

Biscuits are an excellent breakfast. Enjoy.

PetiteRaleuse Sat 23-Feb-13 10:50:34

Pcked up a leg of lamb this morning for dinner tonight. Am going to buy the ingredients for a fondu later on for tomorrow. Yum. Or raclette. Can't decide.

TheDetective Sat 23-Feb-13 11:02:25

Sounds like a lucky baby blonde! eezer goode, eezer goode, he's ebeneezer goode woahoohoohoohhhhh!!

I've now got 'naughty, naughty, very naughty' on loop in my head arghhhhhh!

Stunt sad bloody husbands sad

Am quite shocked. DP asked me if I wanted the pram out the car and I said yes just in case unlikely! I go out. Well, he forgot. As per usual! Except at 7.30 when I was getting ready with my baseball bat and various blunt sharp instruments he came back in through the front door with said pram having got almost to work with it! Awww! Impressed that he came back and then had to rush back to work! Just a shame about the heart attack I got when he came back in!

O got up for the day at 9.45. Impressed. He seems to register Saturday as lie in day! He hasn't been up before 9... yet. hmm

He is currently feeding and is almost asleep. I might get an early lunch!!!

Sophia if it is still the same after 3 mths get the bloody thing out! Sounds shit for you. I wish I could tolerate contraception better too.

BP if the cat does, stick the Lion King on and tell her it's the circle of life!

pidj DP didn't have a clue how to play with O too. He is doing better at it now but it took him 7 weeks or so.

TheDetective Sat 23-Feb-13 11:05:41

Nothing wrong with biscuits miss fuck that sounds like a real shitter of a night. DP can take over tonight yes? And you head to bed early?

I'd have some crisps and chocolate as the perfect accompaniment!

Sophiathecheesefairy Sat 23-Feb-13 11:29:52

chunk she said lots of women get sterilised and end up with Mirena anyway inst forties to sort out issues with periods. What I should have said was, I don't want artificial hormones because I know it will mess me up, sterilise me and I will use homeopathy.

detective I think I will just give it three months. Feel like a crock of shit today! grin

ChunkyChicken Sat 23-Feb-13 11:31:35

Someone slap me with a wet fish or something. Am worrying that my DS was starved all night he's fast asleep now the little pickle, good job he's cute. He would have signalled somehow if he was hungry/wanted more than a dummy right??!!!

TheDetective Sat 23-Feb-13 11:38:21

Yes chunky he would!!

We go 12 hours without food, don't we? That is what babies learn to do also!

TheDetective Sat 23-Feb-13 11:40:03

There is nothing that would stop a well, hungry baby screeching for food!

ValiumQueen Sat 23-Feb-13 11:44:55

sophia not caught up properly, but just checking the 3 paracetamol was a mistake? Please be very careful with PCM. No more than 8 in 24 hours. I am sure you know that smile also be aware of PCM in other meds. Will stop telling egg sucking techniques now.

ValiumQueen Sat 23-Feb-13 11:57:46

<<gets rather excited slapping chunky with a wet fish>>

sophia very interested to hear about homeopathy for periods. Ask to be sterilised now? It is such a relief to not have to worry.

J eventually slept again from 6.30 to 10 and woke up smiling. I was woken at 9 by breakfast in bed. Pancakes. Yum yum. DH is washing the car and we will go out as it is so lovely today.

Sorry for shitty nights and shitty men folk.

garden would their adjusted ages mean the sleep regression is yet to come?

kirrinIsland Sat 23-Feb-13 12:07:23

Sophia my doctor told me to give it 3 months pretty much regardless of what was happening as it seem to be anything goes for the first 3 months and then things settle down. Sounds shit though, and it's annoying they won't do what you want - especially as it sounds like you've made an informed decision.

N went 7hours between feeds last night. This is a minor miracle as she has been doing a 3 hours stretch and then waking every hour or so. I feel like a new person!

MissMummy1 Sat 23-Feb-13 12:13:34

Sitting in my office trying to prepare resources for a new client I'm meeting this afternoon. The nightshift worker (who conveniently forgets I too am awake all night with the resident sleep dodger) is snoozing and afore mentioned sleep dodger is having a meltdown. Sympathy cuddles with one hand, wrestling with the laminator and fighting the printer with the other; who said women can't multitask? This is my life now, isn't it? confused

StuntNun Sat 23-Feb-13 12:18:50

Thanks for the nice thoughts guys. I'm doing okay, just very tired. That said J is a lovely baby and much easier than the other two, I think it's just the accumulated poor sleep that's doing me in now. J went back to sleep this morning and I could have had a nap but with the TV on and a certain six year old thundering up and down the stairs that wasn't going to happen. DH had to go in to work just now so I think I'll take the kids out to Subway for lunch and call into Asda for some treats for tonight's dinner. I'm just waiting for the boiler man to service the boiler. It's probably going to hurt as last time it was serviced (Dec 11) he said he wasn't sure exactly how it was still working. shock

Oh dear just seen the Nov 2013 antenatal thread and felt a little nostalgic pang in my chest ... <takes pill> <slaps self> NO! grin

Sophiathecheesefairy Sat 23-Feb-13 12:22:19

vq thanks for being concerned, is not often mummy's get someone being concerned for them, we spend our lives being concerned for other people. I am very conscious of how much drugs I take so don't worry and I don't usually take them unless I am really poorly, today I have a slight temp. I NEVER get a temp, it's so rare. Am feeling slightly better though a