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February 2013?

(292 Posts)
KeepTryin Wed 13-Feb-13 00:09:26

Is there a born in February 2013 group yet? I didn't manage to keep up with the antenatal threads so thought I'd get a head start on the postnatal threads before I've even had baby! wink

KeepTryin Thu 14-Feb-13 01:35:07

Bump

bangersmashandbeans Thu 14-Feb-13 01:36:37

I can't find one either which is a bit odd! My DS was born on the 9th, how about you?

bangersmashandbeans Thu 14-Feb-13 01:42:11

Just realised in your post you said you've not had the baby yet - sorry! When are you due?

KeepTryin Thu 14-Feb-13 01:53:40

Hi! how are you and baby? I'm due on the 22nd but have induction date for the 18th. Were you on any of the antenatal threads? I dipped in and out of the feb one. Might pop on now and say hello again. I'll keep you company here though, much easier to keep up now I've finished work wink
Are you going to post your birth story?

bangersmashandbeans Thu 14-Feb-13 02:19:21

Hiya, we're doing ok thanks! I also dipped in and out but find when they get too busy I can't keep up so tend to lurk a bit and then give up! I know some people find it therapeutic to post their birth story but mine was very run of the mill and obviously special to me but don't feel the need to post it! How are you feeling? How come your induction is booked early?

LazyMachine Thu 14-Feb-13 03:22:36

Hi! I'm also a February dipper-inner-outer who never joined the Facebook splinter group.

You don't want me to post my birth story KeepTryin as it may be too traumatic for you prior to your induction!

LazyBoy was born on the 7th and I'm totally in love. It's quite a wonderful and different thing being on the other side of pregnancy. I much prefer this bit (even when he's grizzling at 3.00am...)

bangersmashandbeans Thu 14-Feb-13 09:59:52

Hi Lazy, congrats! Are night feeds great?! My DS is cluster feeding 1-5am at the moment which isn't great but at 5 days old I won't complain! I'm just really happy the feeding is going well. X

KeepTryin Thu 14-Feb-13 10:21:27

Hi Lazy I must have missed it when they moved to facebook, explains why its a quiet group. I'm worried I'm going to be so in love with my baby that I'll be a horror to my DH if he doesn't things my way. Ive got very protective over my bump and have criticised his driving, something I would never have done before, so goodness knows how I'll be when there's an actual baby here. Is this your first?
Bangers, Im being induced as I'd had a deep vein thrombosis during pg so the consultants want to 'manage' the birth. I can't wait to have baby here now, the last couple of months have been pretty crappy! I read some mums saying they got more sleep after the baby was born than during pg as you can at least get comfy, lie how you want... I hope this is true?? grin I'm missing sleeping on my back. I get what you mean about posting your birth story, I love reading others but not sure if I'll want to post mine!
Do either of you watch OBEM? I love it! I'm the kind of person that needs to know all possible outcomes/scenarios, so read up a lot and scared myself but good to see those things play out on OBEM and know that even when it doesn't go to plan it can turn out ok. Last nights made me feel a bit queasy though, I was hoping it was a sign of labour! grin

Are these first few weeks what you thought they would be?

LazyMachine Sun 17-Feb-13 14:33:39

These first few weeks are overwhelming - so much love and hormones and exhaustion!

Hope your induction went smoothly, KeepT!

Yes, yes to the 1-5 am cluster feeds - he's nursing for England...

ImGoingToCountToThree Sun 17-Feb-13 16:01:58

Hi everyone. I'd like to join my DD was born on the 14th f

ImGoingToCountToThree Sun 17-Feb-13 16:02:21

Oooops that's what happens when you try to feed

ImGoingToCountToThree Sun 17-Feb-13 16:04:26

smileAnd type at the same time grin

As I was saying ... 3days old.
Hi bangers, we were on the waiting for labour thread.

bangersmashandbeans Sun 17-Feb-13 16:40:32

Hi I'mGoing - congrats!! So pleased the waiting is over! Really struggling the hormones to be honest, I seem to dissolve into tears at the smallest of things. It's driving me mad as I'm not an emotional sort of person! Makes me feel (and look) like I can't cope. Rest if the time I'm loving it though! DH back to work tomorrow so just me, a 3 year old, a one week old, a broken body, and a bucket load of hormones! Terrified! How are you getting on?

bangersmashandbeans Sun 17-Feb-13 23:28:17

Anyone else up feeding and REALLY tired? sadsadsad

hildainstant Tue 19-Feb-13 18:48:14

Hi, can I join in here please?!

My DS2 arrived on valentines day, 2 wks early! I have a 2.6yo DS already so a lone female in this household!!

Congrats to you all on your new arrivals too grin

bangersmashandbeans Tue 19-Feb-13 19:23:43

Hi Hilda! Congrats!

katolla Wed 20-Feb-13 21:45:16

Count me in, dd1 was born on the 9th too. She's been doing 4 hours sleep at night, an hour nappy change and feed (mostly feed ..) and another 4 hours. I hope this is permanent rather than her just being a compliant newborn. Feeling really tired anyway from all the feeding.

Marcheline Fri 22-Feb-13 03:50:31

Hi all. I lurked a bit on the antenatal thread but it was too busy for me.

I'm up feeding 2 day old DD2. Forgot how exhausting the early days are, I'm definitely not a 'newborn phase' lover. Anyone else up?

katolla Fri 22-Feb-13 03:54:49

Hi marcheline! Did you have to wake her ? Congrats on new baby! As an old hand at this, how do you know when one breast is empty?

Marcheline Fri 22-Feb-13 04:27:02

Wake her? No, she is pretty alert. Sounds like you have a great sleeper! DD1 wasn't a sleeper so not expecting great things this tone tbh.

I just tried to make sure there weren't any lumps or hard areas in my breast after feeding - sort of went by the rule that if it wad nice and soft, it was properly drained. I massage a lot while feeding as well, my mill has just started to come in so I'm just starting to remember how it all works!

bangersmashandbeans Fri 22-Feb-13 04:42:55

Up feeding here too! Although not really slept at all as DS is really congested so not settling. Having to let him sleep on me so he's upright so I think I've had 2 hours max tonight sad Poor him and poor me!

Marcheline Fri 22-Feb-13 05:59:26

Hi bangers sad poor bOth of you. we just had a quick 45 min nap before DD decided she was hungry again... I am shattered!

I cant remember how I got through this last tIme and have even less of a clue how Ro do if again but with a 3yo too. Think I have a touch of the day 3 baby blues.

bangersmashandbeans Fri 22-Feb-13 07:01:52

It is so tough March, I have a 3 year old too so the old 'sleep when baby sleeps' is out the window. Baby blues is really horrid - it lasted even longer this time, to the point when DH asked if I had PND. Pretty much cried for ten days straight! Of course it's all normal etc etc but it doesn't feel normal does it? I felt like I was losing the plot. Not cried for two whole days now so turning a corner I hope. I still feel very panicky at how on earth I will get back to normality of cooking and cleaning etc as I can't expect hard working DH and my mum to do it all forever! Sorry, long post, lack of sleep has given me a touch of the verbals!

Marcheline Fri 22-Feb-13 10:14:43

Don't worry bangers, that's prettymuch exactly how I feel. I know this part won't last forever bit right now it's very overwhelming.

Its really nicw to hear that you've turned a corner though, gives me hope!

katolla Fri 22-Feb-13 17:05:35

Thank you am massaging it as I feed her now which results in less tit punching from her. Worried I'm helping her too much though? What if I'm training her to expect not to have to suck or something?

PickledInAPearTree Fri 22-Feb-13 17:12:41

How are you all doing? Had ds on 15th home on Saturday then he got readmitted on Monday for losing weight and sicking up bile they wanted to check there were no internal issues just got back out today!

Recoginse a few names from the other thread!

bangersmashandbeans Fri 22-Feb-13 19:13:09

Hi pickled - congrats! We were on the other thread together. Sorry to hear your little one has been poorly but glad you're back home now - is all ok? How is it all going?

Marcheline Fri 22-Feb-13 22:25:53

Katolla don't worry, she will still be working hard for your milk, but massaging your breasts will mean that she does less damage to our nipples trying to soften them to get a good latch, and you should be less likely to get mastitis too. it's helping with drainage rather thN doing the work for her.

Congratulations pickled! DD has had some bile, the MW said it was to be expected because she was a sudden delivery - is that what happened with you? Glad you're both home now though, it must have been really worrying.

PickledInAPearTree Fri 22-Feb-13 23:02:20

Yes! Very quick. He'd done green sick and apparently it's a sign that there could be a bowel problem , so I popped into the breastfeeding clinic in the hospital as they wanted to check he could eat ok and within the hour he was in an incubator on the neonatal ward. Scary stuff but do was fine.

Yes don't worry about massaging your boobs, I've got issues with supply at the moment as I've had to express mostly whilst ds was in hospital so we are all out of kilter.

And they KILL!

Marcheline Sat 23-Feb-13 00:38:00

Oh pickledthat sounds really scary. Babymarch just did a little bit of browny/yellowy sick and I'm wondering if I should call the midwife...

My breasts are agony, so u can imagine yours are much worse! I really struggled with breastfeeding last time so am determined to get it right now, but it's just so painful.

PickledInAPearTree Sat 23-Feb-13 02:38:00

It could have been just speedy birth but he did seem ill Monday the breastfeeding lady said there was no way he could have fed.

I had murder with feeding last time DS1 was a nightmare would not latch on at all. So I'm also really keen to get it working.

What sort if pain are you getting march? When the baby is feeding or engorge type pain? (That's my problem)

Marcheline Sat 23-Feb-13 05:26:28

It's nipple pain when she's latching on and feeding - I can't seem to get it so that it's not painful.

My nipples are hardening though, do hopefully soon it'll be like they're made of steel and can take the pain grin

PickledInAPearTree Sat 23-Feb-13 05:36:42

Ow! Yes it's bit supposed to last long is it. I've not had that yet I'm hoping all that expressing this week has toughened them up but they are hit and painful!

Everyone recommends lanisoh cream don't they did you try it?

bangersmashandbeans Sat 23-Feb-13 06:17:14

My nipples were like that to start with so I knew he wasn't latching right. I had a chat with a midwife and breast feeding councillor and got it sorted and it made a difference really quickly. I was told that if the pain lasts more than about 20 seconds after the initial latch then something is wrong. Hope you manage to get it sorted March as its miserable hmm
I've been up all night with DS, no sleep at all! Not his fault, he so congested he can't sleep in his basket so has been sleeping on me and I'm too scared to fall asleep with him. Today is going to be a struggle!!

Marcheline Sat 23-Feb-13 14:26:59

I take her off the breast and re-latch all the time, I just can't get it to work sad have a MW visit tomorrow so will ask again for help (I did ask the last midwife who visited on Wednesday, but she just said 'it looks right, just keep going' basically). I have got lansinoh but honestly, I cannot tell you how cracked and horrible my nipples are, it's just not helpig enough. It was like this last time, and it just never got much better.

Bangers, I hope your day is going ok. I am surviving because babymarch slept for a solid 3 hours last night. Otherwise I think I would be like a zombie.

Marcheline Sat 23-Feb-13 16:00:51

I take her off the breast and re-latch all the time, I just can't get it to work sad have a MW visit tomorrow so will ask again for help (I did ask the last midwife who visited on Wednesday, but she just said 'it looks right, just keep going' basically). I have got lansinoh but honestly, I cannot tell you how cracked and horrible my nipples are, it's just not helpig enough. It was like this last time, and it just never got much better.

Bangers, I hope your day is going ok. I am surviving because babymarch slept for a solid 3 hours last night. Otherwise I think I would be like a zombie.

PickledInAPearTree Sat 23-Feb-13 16:55:03

Oh that's horrible I had that with DS1.

I had to stop in the end because if the medication i was taking anyway though.

Have you tried calling la leche league? They are supposed to be very good.

It's so frustrating isn't it.

DS2 has a good latch but he dissect seem to be gaining weight. The plan is I bf till Monday and if he's not gained weight top up.

ImGoingToCountToThree Sat 23-Feb-13 19:31:54

Thanks bangers, Hi pickled! And everyone else!
Did update a few days ago but in my sleep deprived stupor I wrote a long message then pressed cancel instead of postconfusedsmile

DD is now 9 days old, I feel panicky too at the thought of getting back into the school run on Monday with DS & DD1 how on earth am I going to get us all out on time!
DH has arranged to start after 9am for the next week for a bit of support.

Marcheline Sat 23-Feb-13 19:46:28

How did I manage to double post two hours apart?! confused

I haven't called LLL yet, there's a bf clinic near me on thurs and I've got a MW home visit tomorrow so I'll see how that goes. The LLL helpline goes through to women at home which I feel kind of awkward about!

Poor baby pickled, dd1 didn't put weight on for ages, it was so worrying. Babymarch is being weighed tomorrow for the first time since birth so fingers crossed for that. How has your feeding been today?

Marcheline Sat 23-Feb-13 20:02:05

Sorry Three, terrible x post. It takes me forever to type and post ATM.

I feel panicky about DH going back to work, I have mo idea how I'll manage to keep DD1 occupied whilst pinned to the side feeding / exhausted by night feeds. I know this stage won't last long but its so daunting.

PickledInAPearTree Sat 23-Feb-13 21:59:48

He's fed ok today (I think) a massive cluster feed in the morning and and for the whole Wales v Italy game he is knackered now and just had a small feed. A MW came today and we agreed I would try breast only till Monday and if he's lost weight start bottle top ups. I've lost my confidence after the weight loss of last week.

I've got a 2 year old and on my own from Monday. I'm actually really scared about it! shock

bangersmashandbeans Sat 23-Feb-13 23:52:02

Looks like we're all on our own from Monday! shockshockshock I'm really worried, can't see how I'm going to look after both children let alone do cooking and cleaning?! Had a day on my own today as DH was out and I waved the white flag at 6pm and cried down the phone to my mum and she came and did bath and bedtime with DD. Feel like a bit of a failure to be honest!

ImGoingToCountToThree Sun 24-Feb-13 16:08:29

Ah Bangers don't feel like a failure that's not the case at all! With my DD1 my mum virtually was here most days as I had DS who was 2 1/2 at the time. You have to do what you can and accept all the help you need. No one will thank you for struggling on your own and let's face it, it is a struggle when you already have little ones to look after and then a new baby arrives.
It is hard, my DS is 11 now and DD1 is 9 and i am still finding it hard with a newborn even though they can mostly sort themselves out, it's the tiredness.
If it wasn't for DH doing all housework, meals etc I would be completely overwhelmed and wouldn't think twice about asking my mum or sister to come and lend a hand.

Feeding wise we seem to be wanting to be fed every 1 - 2 hours again today.

If I'm not on again by tomorrow, all the best to everyone who is braving it on their own for the first week.
I'm trying to do packed lunches and bags today so there is less to do in the morningsmile

PickledInAPearTree Sun 24-Feb-13 18:18:54

Yes bloody hell take all the help you can!

Ive had a better afternoon, I gave DS his dummy from the hospital and he had a long sleep, he was up all morning practically from 9-2.30 without sleeping at all and finding it very hard to settle poor thing. Hes slept for a couple of hours.

How is everyone doing? Lets swap notes after the hell is unleashed tomorrow! I think its going to depend how we all sleep and how the toddlers behave! DS1 is being either adorable or demonic. Nothing in between!

Panzee Sun 24-Feb-13 19:44:52

Hello! Had my son on Thursday so have transferred to the postnatal club! Had our first night at home last night, it's much easier co-sleeping in a hospital bed... grin

PickledInAPearTree Sun 24-Feb-13 23:39:01

Hi panzee!

I decided to wake the baby up at 10.30 hoping to get a feed in to get a few hours sleep at the start if the night. He's still bawling now! Never mind.

Hope you all have a good night!

Marcheline Mon 25-Feb-13 02:37:53

Hi pickled, I've been feeding solidly since 9pm. I have cried twice so far. Is there such a thing as a 5 day growth spurt??

Panzee Mon 25-Feb-13 02:49:17

I'm watching the Oscars with baby asleep on my shoulder. He won't go in the crib! Not sure what to do really, I don't want him in the bed (too many duvets, memory foam mattress topper etc). Might just see how long I can stay awake for!

NandH Mon 25-Feb-13 03:03:13

ds is 3 weeks old now, angel in the day time but at night (right now) its nothing but time to gurgle and blow bubbles...which is fine, until I put him down and the sweet gurgles and bubble blowing turn into high pitch parrot noises!!!

SO TIRED!!!!!

PickledInAPearTree Mon 25-Feb-13 08:02:18

That was me last night marcheline.

Have you got a dummy? I think they are comfort sucking. My new plan is give him a good amount of time at the breast and then do a switch and if he's not still hungry he will settle with a dummy. We were going to have a morning out yesterday but I couldn't get him off even to get dressed

First morning bloody hectic. Ds1 is jumping all over and ds2 permanently baying for milk!

Good luck everyone x

Marcheline Mon 25-Feb-13 08:36:55

I haven't got a dummy, dd1 would never take one so it's just not something I think of. I might get DH to pick some up after work today though. You're right, it does seem like comfort sucking.

I hope everyone has good days today.

PickledInAPearTree Mon 25-Feb-13 09:52:10

Same here Ds1 didn't. They gave Ds2 one in hospital as they said he needed some comfort when he was tube fed but I didn't think to give him one at home but last night was so much better. When he had been feeding for an hour and seemed to be comfort sucking I quickly switched them over and he did sleep! It's never caused a problem with latching ( he was given bottles overnight too in hospital which haven't either)

Happy days ! grin

bangersmashandbeans Mon 25-Feb-13 10:54:44

Pickled your morning sounds just like mine!! DD doesn't get that DS does not want her jumping all over him and putting her face right in his when he's trying to feed! Been trying not to get cross with her but its hard. She just said to me 'mummy are you cross with me?....but sometimes I am good' Breaks my heart and does not help with the constant guilt!!
Didn't have too much of a bad night, actually got him sleeping in his Moses basket which is a result! So it's nearly 11am and I'm only just dressed - how on earth am I going to get out the house on time on nursery days?!
Lovely relaxing bath this morning by the way...DS in the bathroom in the home the steam helps his cold and DD decided not to be left out so obviously that was a good time for her to sit on the loo and do a poo!!confused
DH won't even entertain the idea of a dummy - pisses me off slightly as its not him that permanently has a person attached to their over-used and sore nipples!!!

PickledInAPearTree Mon 25-Feb-13 11:11:04

Tell your DH that my other half is 36 and still sucks his thumb! You can take away a dummy but its hellish to stop thumb sucking.

The MW had just been and ds has not put any weight on, though he's not lost any and they want me to give two big bottles of formula a day.

Panzee Mon 25-Feb-13 11:27:50

I think I would nod and smile at that advice, then just try to feed more. grin my first son used to put weight on every two weeks, so I would get a lecture one week but not the next. hmm

Marcheline Mon 25-Feb-13 13:21:02

Pickled if he's not lost weight then you're doing really well. Keep going with the feeding, It will be worth it.

My nipples are agony, I just can't get her to open her mouth wide enough. Any tips?

My mum is here helping with DD1 and letting me get some sleep. I am absolutely terrified of being in my own with them both. Is it ok to plonk a toddler on front of the telly all day while I feed the baby?! I really hope it gets a bit warmer so we can at least do walks without me worrying that the baby will freeze.

Marcheline Mon 25-Feb-13 13:23:39

Oh bangers, I've instructed DH to bring back a dummy tonight. I'm not sure whether I'll use it as am a bit scared of ruining BF even more. DH wasn't keen either but like you say, it's not them that have to be in agony.

PickledInAPearTree Mon 25-Feb-13 15:05:10

I've had telly on loads today. What can you do? It's so cold outside and they need feeding.

I rub ds nose and when it's at it's most open just ram as much in a poss I slighty sqeeze it to made it slightly flatter if that makes sense ? Seems to be working as I've not had sore nipples just trouble with pains when milk came in.

Could you ask for a bf specialist me to come and give you a hand with latch? It's hard to get used to it.

Trouble is DS2 lost 13% initially then put 8oz on in hospital and not since so they are concerned. I just got a little bottle ready to top him up and he's fallen asleep! Typical.

I have some expressed milk in freezer so if he's not settling and has had a good feed I might try with a bit if that.

Marcheline Mon 25-Feb-13 16:59:48

I've called a breastfeeding helpline, been watching jack Newman clips on you tube and will go to the bf clinic on thurs morn. I've tried all kinds of latching on but she won't take any areola in her mouth at all, she just sucks on the nipple. It's agony.

Anyway, so how was everyone's first day alone? DH is going to be around tomorrow and Wednesday, ten I have Thursday and Friday totally by myself. Really not looking forward to it.

ImGoingToCountToThree Mon 25-Feb-13 17:19:36

confused Marcheline it sounds toe curling! Some babies just don't want to open their mouths, if DD comes at me with a pursed mouth I usually stroke my nipple near her mouth until she opens wider then I squeeze my breast so it's flatter and try to put as much in as possible of areola making sure her lips are sort of curled back. That's easier said than done if you have a baby that just doesn't want to open their mouth wide enough though. Hope you get the support you need to make it more enjoyable.

Today has been ok on my own, DD been feeding every 1- 1 /2 hours during the day and sleeping in between. We got up at 7am, which wasn't easy after 1am,3am,6am feeds. We managed to get out of the house on time for school but then DH did wind her and change her whilst I was sorting out breakfast....I won't have that luxury next week.
Midwife has discharged us today into the care of the Health visitor.

Managed to put one load of washing in and put a few clothes away but that's all as had a little sleep for 40 mins before collecting DD1 from school.

Felt a bit teary this morning, anyone else?

Marcheline Mon 25-Feb-13 19:03:02

Three, I've been teary all day. I'm telling myself that it's normal, and trying to give myself a bit of a break. Well done for having a nap, that's definitely more important than housework!

I'm dreading tonight, I can't do another night of no sleep!

PickledInAPearTree Mon 25-Feb-13 19:30:10

I've had a moment just now. Used to take DS1 out loads and for the last few months we've hardly been out.

I feel really sorry for him which is daft as I know we will be out & about soon enough.

I think my eyes will leak shortly.

bangersmashandbeans Mon 25-Feb-13 20:22:58

Hi everyone, sounds like emotions are running high tonight sad It is normal it is normal it is normal it is normal - I needed telling about a million times. I'm on day 16 and for the first time have felt in control all day. First day on my own and we didn't get dressed until 11am so not a great start but it got better! I wrote myself a very small list of realistic things to achieve and I've managed to tick them all off. Baby steps but steps none the less.
Totally know how you feel about the guilt towards DC1 - I really can't get past it. It's so silly because part of the reason we have a second child is for the benefit of the first! It's just so hard when she's watching me feed for hours in the day and when she asks me to play with her I have to say no or maybe later, it breaks my heart.

PickledInAPearTree Mon 25-Feb-13 20:36:10

I know! And really it will only be a few weeks and we will feel much more in control I know this!

Ah well we can't help it just have to live with our irrational thoughts for a bit!

PickledInAPearTree Mon 25-Feb-13 20:45:31

How's your bum anyway bangers?

grin

bangersmashandbeans Mon 25-Feb-13 20:52:48

Pain free!!! Not pile free but they have shrunk sufficiently to not hurt anymore. Seeing colorectal consultant on Thursday to discuss long term options.

Marcheline Tue 26-Feb-13 01:02:32

So glad to hear I'm not the only one feeling guilt for DC1. DH and I tried to make ourselves feel better by saying 'yes well DD1 did get a lot of attention over the last three years'!! As if it made it better that she now is getting zero attentiOn blush

Ouch re: piles bangers. As if there isn't enough pain going around already. Glad they don't hurt anymore though.

Pickled, I like what you're saying about if only being a few more weeks and then feeling much more in control. Every day is a step in theright direction. I might write that on post it notes and stick them randomly around the house.

Hope everyoneis having good nights x

PickledInAPearTree Tue 26-Feb-13 05:17:19

I'm dressing Ds2 in DS1s old clothes but its just making it worse !

I have started feeling really sad & nostalgic for my ds1 baby.

Argh hormones! Piss off!

PickledInAPearTree Tue 26-Feb-13 05:17:19

I'm dressing Ds2 in DS1s old clothes but its just making it worse !

I have started feeling really sad & nostalgic for my ds1 baby.

Argh hormones! Piss off!

Marcheline Tue 26-Feb-13 09:08:01

Oh pickled sad

Don't worry, it will pass. As soon as your DS2 starts smiling and rolling over, developing his own personality, it will be so much more enjoyable. And sooner than that, your hormones will level out. It will all be much easier in just a couple of weeks x

PickledInAPearTree Tue 26-Feb-13 10:05:48

Feel a bit better today!

Managed the nursery drop off for 9 went to the shop and registered ds at GP.

Phew!

ImGoingToCountToThree Tue 26-Feb-13 11:07:43

Ahh i think we are all feeling the same....Guilt...yep got a whole load of that too with a touch of the tears this morning.
Feel like I'm not spending enough time with my DD1, obviously because she has been the youngest for so long I feel that I'm neglecting her a bit due to having to sit down to feed every 1-2 hours. We normally bake together or have a bit if dance etc but I'm just so tired I don't feel like doing anything.
Normally I get in to bed with her at bedtime and we chat and have snuggles but it's all having to be rushed as DD2 usually needs feeding again by the time we have done supper, wash & teeth.
She seemed quiet this morning on the way to school. She adores her new baby sister though and there is absolutely no signs of jealously so maybe I'm feeling it more than she is, I could cry at the thought of her feeling pushed out a bit.
DS is taking it all in his stride but then he is used to being the oldest.

I fell asleep sat up feeding her at 10.30pm last night, so after that feed DH packed me off to bed and kept DD downstairs with him until 12.30am then brought her up put her in her crib and she slept until 3am! Another feed at 6am. I felt good getting a few hours sleep but was it was still a struggle when the alarm went off at 7am.

On a lighter note, baby's eye colour. My other two have blue eyes.
DS very light with lots of white almost silvery
DD1 deep blue with dark blue ring around and both quite striking and they get comments about them.
I have average green/dark brown eyes hmm
DH has very light blue eyes almost see through (the old lady in the bank likes them).
I was wondering if maybe this time I will get a brown eyed child.
How about your children's eye colour are they the same as yours or your partners?

Hope everyone has a good Tuesday and we all stop beating ourselves up soon, I feel the only remedy for the tears is the box of dairy milk I received as a gift grin

ImGoingToCountToThree Tue 26-Feb-13 11:08:16

Sorry that was a bit long <blush>

Marcheline Tue 26-Feb-13 12:03:37

Three - I have eaten approx five times my body weight in chocolate / cake in the last week. Definitely a good cure for hormone imbalance.

We had a good night last night, baby fed at about 10pm, 1am, 3am and then 7am. My milk reduction seems to be settling down today so less engorgement pains etc, but I'm so scared of hthe pain if latching her on and the damage to my nipplesthat it takes me a good few minutes to build up the courage to latch her on, which is horrible for the baby obviously. I sort of keep trying to et her to open her moth with my nipple, then pull it back whimpering until I sort of steel myself. It's awful!

Eyes - I have green and DH has bright, clear blue. DD1 has vey bright blue but then so did I until about age 6. DD2 seems to have a darker blue at he moment. What is really strange is, she was born with absolutely masses of really dark hair! Her big sister was practically bald and White blonde, I'm dark blonde (after a bit of a dye these days) and DH used to be light brown (now silvery). I have no idea where this dark hair came from! I love thinking about what she will look like, I know I'm biased but I think I will have two very beautiful girls, teenage years will be intersting grin

bangersmashandbeans Tue 26-Feb-13 20:00:54

I'mgoing you've just said exactly how I feel! 15 days in and the guilt is still really hard and makes me pretty emotional at times. DD is really good at entertaining herself but I hate sitting on my butt feeding whilst I watch her. DS has a horrible cold so not sleeping brilliantly (never more than two hours at night) and I'm exhausted and know I'm being unnecessarily snappy too sad

PickledInAPearTree Tue 26-Feb-13 22:50:51

Ok let's all agree the sibling guilt must be a phase we are going through and go easy on ourselves. If rather have a brother or sister and a bit extra c beebies than no sister or brother. They are probably chuffed with the extra telly it's us that is concerned!

I feel a bit better today. I've been working as I'm self employed I've cut down a lot but am keen to keep one client so trying to fit it in ! Grim.

Ds1 in nursery though so I did manage some chores and some tv time too.

Just preparing self for the endurance test which is nighttime! Once more into the breach. Argh !

PickledInAPearTree Tue 26-Feb-13 23:09:55

Oh bangers I have the tell take signs that Barry is going to have a new chum soon. Gutted. Decided I'm going to ask in 6 week check and brave showing my bum.

blush

Marcheline Wed 27-Feb-13 18:30:36

I went out today! Major triumph. I managed to get the three of us ready in time to get dd1 to nursery, then came back to get DH and went out. I even breastfed in the baby area at John lewis without crying, which made me feel really positive and like I can crack the bf.

I picked up som nipple guard things as well, they are great! I'd never seen them before but I think they are letting the air get to my nipples so that they can heal. Also, I am no liger getting stuck to breast pads and having to unpeel myself every feed, which is amazing. I hope there's no downside to them, does anyone know anything more about them?

I'm taking myself off to the bf clinic tomorrow as well so hopeful for some tips for latching.

The baby seems to be settling into a bit of a routine and goig for lover between feeds - she's only a week old so I'm worried that it will get harder again. Dd1 was a bit of a nightmare so I'm scared of trusting this too much. I can't remember what to expect but if we get into a bit of a routine now is it going to stick?

bangersmashandbeans Wed 27-Feb-13 19:59:57

Congrats March! Chalk today up as a success! Isn't sad how just leaving the house becomes a major achievement in the early days post childbirth?! Sounds like your poorly nipples might be on the mend too. I remember mine sticking to the breast pads with DD and its horrible!
Good luck tonight everyone, I'm in desperate need of sleep so fingers crossed! Health visitor has okayed DS sleeping in his bouncer until his congestion clears so feeling a lot better about that as it made such a difference last night but thought I'd get told off!

Marcheline Wed 27-Feb-13 20:56:43

Good luck tonight bangers, I hope the bouncer works again and you get some decent sleep.

bangersmashandbeans Wed 27-Feb-13 21:15:28

Off to bed now so thank you smile

PickledInAPearTree Wed 27-Feb-13 21:39:42

Sounds like you are turning a corner March and hope you get some sleep Bangers.

I have the sticking to the breast pad thing, a friend lent me the most comfy bra though a mothercare sleep nursing bra and it supportive enough to wear in the day Ive ordered some.

It hard work this breastfeeding lark isnt it. I feel like I dont like it right now but I know it will (hopefully) get better.

Hope you all have a good night!

NAR4 Thu 28-Feb-13 15:19:42

To all you ladies that are finding breastfeeding difficult, it does get much much easier. Vaseline is great for sore and/or craked nipples and can just be wipped off before each feed. Perfectly safe for baby. Don't waste lots of money buying expensive nipple creams such as Lancombe, vaseline is just as good.

Day 5 now and don't remember feeling so battered and bruised after any of my other DCs being born. Walking is still very painful as is getting up/down, trying to pick up anything off the floor. Pretty much moving in general.

DH goes back to work on Monday and I am quietly concerned about managing the school run, all the housework, a toddler and baby, by myself. Never felt this rough, for this long after birth before and just bounced back within days. Hoping for a miracle recovery before the weekend is over.

DS wants to feed all night long, so is sleeping in our bed, but DD is feeling a bit green and is also insisting on sleeping with us, so bed time is not the most comfortable.

Don't want to wish away these precious early weeks but I am looking forward to everything settling down and getting into the swing of things.

Forgot (somehow) about this awful stage where nothing fits. Maternity clothes are too baggy and own clothes are much too small. Currently wearing maternity clothes and slightly resemble a clown.

Haven't had any baby blues at all and send all the best to those that have, it is horrid until it passes.

CackleALot Sat 02-Mar-13 09:28:43

Hi Ladies, switching over from antenatal thread...joining in with emotion roller coaster, night feeds, guilt and painful bums!

My little girl was born via VBAC on 26th so day 4 here. I have to say its very comforting to hear I'm not the only one feeling all of the above! I'm so lucky to have parents up for few days so atleast I don't have to feel guilty re DS being occupied for now!

Really struggling with massive piles which seems to be the cause of me breaking into tears at any given moment for now. It feels like they'll never go. Just want them gone so can feel a bit more normal sad

BFing going OK, was having painful latch on too but have found if I hand express a little before feed it helps. I used nipple shields last time and have them on standby this time too!

My hat is off to all of you managing to get out & about already!

Hope everyone doing ok

Wheels79 Sat 02-Mar-13 09:37:23

Waves at everyone. I meant to post before but this having a newborn thing is hard. And since we are now officially bottle feeding with breat top up (rather than the other way round despite best efforts) I don't have a spare hand during feeding to use my phone/laptop. Is it bad that this was on my list of reasons why I wanted to continue trying breast feeding?

I think that so far DS is being kind to us re sleep. Only a couple of bad nights so far. Other challenges though like:
1) 6 day gap between bowel movements requiring weekend hospital trip for suppository (10 mins later we knew about poo)
2) Conjuntivitis requiring prescrption eye drops. We are not good at getting those in.
3) Cut on leg becuase we used a nappy too big for him and it rubbed (now healing but HV and DMIL questions - the HV was more relaxed about it)

Marcheline when I do BF I use nipple shields because on one side that's the only way he'll latch on and now he's used to them (and the bottle) I need them for both sides. The BF midwife was supportive because we were desperate and said that it can be worked on later. I agree it does protect nipples a bit but they can still misshape your nipples if they aren't sucking properly (my experience).

Wheels79 Sat 02-Mar-13 09:48:48

Oh yeah issues on my front:

1) I now have a nice external pile (now in retreat) constipation and wind due to iron tablets/lactulose combo.
2) One of my stiches broke and I had a small infection so antibiotics
3) After nearly three weeks my at least daily tears are only now more likely to be due to overwhelming feelings of love than dispair that I'll ever be able to look after the screaming newborn.
4) I have lost my glasses and baby brain is stopping me find them. In fact baby brain generally.

MissTiredAndGrumpy Sat 02-Mar-13 12:22:08

Hello - can I join here please !? I need a bit of peer support from sane individuals in the same position as me - my DD was born early on the 16th of Feb, and am struggling with managing her and my DS (2.5years). Added to it all, we have recently emigrated back from South Africa after a disasterous 11 month sojourn as farmers, and are now living with my inlaws as our house is let!! help! hormonal and trying to keep a brave face - lovely people my inlaws, but just can;t be a slob in my jammies and weep in sheer exhaustion.

phew.... that was a lot of info all at once.... sorry everyone!

ImGoingToCountToThree Sat 02-Mar-13 16:48:09

Hello everyone and a warm welcome to all the new ones who have found us.

Just had a quick catch up, Bangers hope your DS is feeling better now and you are getting a bit more sleep.

March- hope the nips are healing smile mine are a little tender at the moment but that's due to DD's frequency of feeding, I think maybe she thinks she is a sheep as she prefers to graze all day rather than big feeds.
I'm trying to get out of the house more as she goes longer when we are out and about. Hopefully she will get in to the habit of taking more at each feed, rather than 5 mins then falling asleep and wanting more 30 mins later confused
During the night she goes at least 3 hours though so I'm grateful for that.

bangersmashandbeans Sat 02-Mar-13 18:17:38

Grrrr just wrote a long post and lost it! (Feeding DS and bathing DD at the same time...probably shouldn't be MNing at the same time!!!) Will update in a while but hi everyone!

bangersmashandbeans Sat 02-Mar-13 20:33:14

I'll try again shall I!
Sorry to hear some of you are struggling with BF, it really is such a tough time which no one really appreciates unless they've been through it. It is good to know we're all having similar emotions though, the guilt being a major one for me. Getting used to it though (DS is 3 weeks today) and am making the most of his long daytime sleeps to play with DD (housework going awry as a result but I don't care!)
Thanks for the concern about the dreaded piles - not good news sad. Saw the colorectal consultant this week and he's confirmed I will need an operation. It'll most likely be a full hemorrhoidectomy which is meant to be horrendously painful with a long recovery so I'm absolutely dreading it. Having a colonoscopy in 4 weeks (camera up the bum) which will confirm.
Hope you ladies are getting better day by day, my tears have been on hold for a week now so things are on the up! smile

Ninjacat Sun 03-Mar-13 15:04:49

Congratulations everyone.
Pearl Annie Cinnamon arrived 11:18am on feb 21st by c sec weighing 9lb 13oz.
Exhausted still but getting there.
Baby easy. 3yr old emotional wreck. He is very gentle with his little sister though so could be worse.
Hoping to find some normality soon.

CackleALot Sun 03-Mar-13 16:41:56

AW Bangers you must be in so much pain with piles and prospect of surgery must be awful, I started suppositories today.

CackleALot Sun 03-Mar-13 16:43:43

Congratulations ninjacat - lovely name smile

Wheels79 Mon 04-Mar-13 10:14:45

I have a limpet today. He's not given me much sleep overnight and screams if I put him down. Might have to be a day in my nightie today!

bangersmashandbeans Mon 04-Mar-13 11:11:51

Nowt wrong with a PJ day! Wish I could, alas instead I'm using baby's nap time to sit in a make shift camp with DD, along with all the teddies, all the plastic food, 9 rugby balls and a plastic train. So relaxing...

hildainstant Mon 04-Mar-13 11:54:56

Ninja, I'm finding my 2.5yo is struggling too. He's waking in the night, something he's not done for a long time, and only I can reassure him - think he needs to know I'm still there for him, poor sausage. He's also given up his daytime naps (aaaarrrghhhh!) and has numerous emotional meltdowns during the day for the most rediculous reasons - again not like him as he's a calm, laid back little boy who's usually no trouble at all!

DH is at times coming down on him like a tonne of bricks where I'm trying to be more 'nurturing' and help him to understand why he's crying and why he can't do certain things etc - after all he's only 2 weeks into no longer being the sole focus of everyones attention. anyone any experience and/or words of wisdom?

Aldan Mon 04-Mar-13 16:35:43

DS2 has arrived smile. He was born in the early hours of yesterday morning. Went into labour naturally but ended up with a CS due to a number of reasons, failure to progress, previous section scar close to rupturing, and baby being back to back. After theatre, consultant came and said I'd had no chance of a VBAC and things could've been a lot lot worse. Glad he's here safe and well. He's the image of his big brother grin

CackleALot Mon 04-Mar-13 19:35:31

Congratulations Aldan all sounds a bit traumatic but glad you didn't have to wait until wed!

Want2bSupermum Tue 05-Mar-13 01:15:00

Aldan Glad to hear you and your DS made it. You must be exhausted.

I am shocked at how quick my recovery has been from my CS. I managed to go to a neighbours house with DD (19 months) for a party on Sunday night while DH stayed home with DS. I stopped taking pain killers on Saturday as I couldn't feel when I was overdoing it.

We have had issues with feeding. I gave up BF because DS was born at 10lb 6oz and eats a lot. He was started on supplemental feeds due to losing 1lb and since I am returning to work in 7 weeks, I don't see how I am going to be able to keep up with pumping while at clients. My employer are supportive but I am just not comfortable running out to pump every 3hrs or so. I also found bf to be very tiring this time. With DD my milk never came in because of complications. It was a huge relief that it came in this time.

My friend gave me a pot of motherlove nipple cream. It is the best thing for sore nipples. I can recommend it highly enough.

hilda My DD (19 months) has temper tantrums on a regular basis. We have had some success with the 1,2,3 magic technique which my godmother in Canada suggested (she works with SEN). It is similiar to the supernanny timeout but not as severe. It has really helped us handle DD's tantrums. For us the strict and nurturing approaches didn't work at all.

NAR4 Tue 05-Mar-13 09:29:28

DD had her first day at playgroup yesterday. She refused (predictably) to let me leave. Baby projectile vomited everywhere including all over me and himself, whilst there. Shortly after changing him and washing myself down, he pooed loads and leaked everywhere. Changer him again and then second round of puking and no more spare clothes. In the mean time I had changed into a spare top I had in the car but realised to my horror that my breasts had leaked all through my bra and top, very obviously and I had nothing else to change into, not even a cardigan to cover up in. Oh the glamour!

DD had her birthday party yesterday afternoon and that (thankfully) went alright, apart from my 14 year old giving me a letter saying he had been excluded from school today for fighting. Need to go to a really convenient meeting tomorrow morning (an hour away, with a newborn and 2 yr old) before they will accept him back to school. Can hardly wait!

DD is taking advantage of every moment I am busy with the baby to get up to mischief. I'm sure this didn't happen with my older children, but it probably did and I just don't remember.

Turns out I felt really awful due to retained membranes which had caused an infection. On antibiotics now (day 3) and already feel much better. Was hoping for an easier day today but that is out the window now I have a stoppy teenager to supervise doing (but trying not to) do school work, from home.

Hope everyone is settling into normality.

bangersmashandbeans Tue 05-Mar-13 09:44:26

My goodness NAR, I'm never going to complain again! You've got so much going on I think you should name change to superwoman! Sorry to hear about you DS - that meeting sounds like it'll be fun judging by how playgroup went wink Good luck!!

NAR4 Tue 05-Mar-13 14:24:02

DS hasn't been too bad in the end and as the day has progressed, has knuckled down to getting loads of work done. He has now moved onto the chores I set him as punishment and is busy sorting out the garden ready for planting this years vegetables. I'll get him to clean my car when he is done.

Managed to go food shopping with newborn and DD. No vomiting or pooing today and DD behaved really good. Starting to feel a lot more human today and have stocked up the car ready, with extra changes of clothing and a bag of sticker books and colouring to entertain DD tomorrow.

Lovely weather here today, which always makes everything seem better.

Aldan glad to hear you and baby are alright and hope you are not disappointed you ended up with a CS.

Hilda your toddler sounds like a typical sibling of a newborn. He is just learning to adjust. Try having a box of 'special' things for him to do whilst you are busy (has only had limited success with my toddler). Try telling him all the wonderful things he can do because he is a big boy but the baby can't do ie you have your own big boy bed but baby isn't allowed one yet, until he is a big boy like you. This one has helped get my DD to spend more of the night in her own bed. It will all get easier.

CalamityJ Tue 05-Mar-13 18:42:04

How nice has it been to have given birth recently and had all this lovely weather to encourage us to leave the house? Kicks jaundice into touch! Having to take it easy because of the c - section but so nice to BF in the night not freezing cold!

MissTiredAndGrumpy Wed 06-Mar-13 10:21:15

cold again today - misery - breastfeeding at night is torturous in this old farmhouse <draft whistling around my ears as i speak>
.....roll on Spring.....

Want2bSupermum Wed 06-Mar-13 20:05:46

Miss T&G We are due to have snow apparently. I was going to head out today for a walk with DS but it is very windy and too cold. Our home is not well insulated at all and we have single pane sash windows. They look great but my goodness they are drafty.

CackleALot Wed 06-Mar-13 20:52:04

Hi all, how's everyone doing. Weather is chilly! had DC1 in summer which was much nicer!

got another bfing question - are your LOs feeding lots during the night? my DD is a week old now and is sleeping all day but waking for feeds maybe every 4 hours but at night she is a wake for hours. last night she was up from 12-4 feeding on n off, every time I put her down she woke up rooting again. seems to be sucking for comfort rather than feeding....

Any advice/thoughts? smile

NAR4 Thu 07-Mar-13 08:30:45

Cackle babies feed lors at night because it is the best way to increase your milk supply. Have you tried co sleeping to enable you to get more sleep yourself. You can then get the baby latched on, lying next to you and just go to sleep, only waking briefly to help them re latch if they come off and start rooting. You could also try waking them to feed more often during the day. Hope you start getting more sleep soon.

Despite being tired and feeling like I am leaking from everywhere, I am enjoying having a new baby and relieved not to be pregnant anymore.

CalamityJ Thu 07-Mar-13 10:58:17

12-4 sounds familiar Cackle!

Our DD was sleeping lots during the day but we're trying to shorten the sleeps very slightly every day to get her to shift the sleep till the night. Last night we got 2 lots of 3 hours sleep so seemed to work but then again you think you've got her sussed & she does something totally unexpected!

CackleALot Thu 07-Mar-13 13:47:08

Thanks Nar & Calamity co-slept last night & got bit more sleep. think I'll try waking her a bit more during the day and see if that works but your right calamity these early days are a guessing game & change so quickly!

Nar I too am enjoying not being pregnant but looking forward to not leaking from every orifice! grin

ImGoingToCountToThree Thu 07-Mar-13 14:50:23

Hi all!

Well DD2 is 3 weeks old already! It's going so fast. Feeding seems to be going well and at the moment she has figured out night and day. We go to bed at around 10pm and she has a feed and is sleeping until around 2am, then goes back to sleep until about 4am for another feed then goes to about 6.30. I can't complain at that I guess. I'm hoping it lasts, I keep expecting it to go pear shaped any day.

She is being troubled by lots of wind though in the early evening and during the day, lots of grunting , leg lifting then followed by lots of trumping smile and generally unsettled until she shifts it all with a big poo.

I too am happy I'm not pregnant anymore and half of the leakiness has now stopped, I'm still going through breast pads for fun though. DD1 (9)was chasing DS (11) around with my used one she had picked up from next to me whilst I was feeding. He was screaming like a girl, I couldn't tell her to stop for laughing at his reaction. grin

Want2bSupermum Thu 07-Mar-13 14:56:51

Cackle I typed out a post and DS woke up hungry!

Here in the US we see a paediatrican group with the DC's. Our fav Dr is in her 50's, trained in India and has 2 children and 6 grandchildren. She gave us the bed advice which worked wonders for DD. She said give them 2 weeks to find themselves. After two weeks put them on a 3 hr schedule. Once the schedule is established then get them sleeping more during the night. Her tips for getting them to sleep during the night were to give baby a bath before bedtime (we still give DD a bath daily before bedtime), keep lights on/ keep it noisy during the day and have baby sleep in a different room during the day. She wanted us to only use the bassinet at night and have DD sleep in various places during the day such as the vibrating chair, swing, floor (on sheet on rug - only works for first baby) and in the stroller bassinet.

CackleALot Thu 07-Mar-13 16:04:26

grin at your DCs Counting smile

Thanks for that advice Supermum a few good tips in there to try! I can't really remember DS at this age blush must have been in a zombie-like state! smile

Aldan Thu 07-Mar-13 18:00:27

DS is having 4 hour feeds too, ok in the day but 12-4am is tough! He's only 4 days old though and far too cute to let me get cross grin

Went to DS1s mothers day assembly today. Really lovely, he loves me because I buy him toys and I'm special because I'm beautiful wink

Want2bSupermum Thu 07-Mar-13 18:44:46

Aldan That is so cute! It isn't mothers day here this weekend but I will def try to get DH to celebrate.

Cackle I passed out last night at 8.30pm on the sofa with DS. DH came down from studying and found the dishwasher half loaded and both of us snoring away. When DH woke me up I was all over the place as I thought it was time for another feed. My last memory was loading the dishwasher. I guess I did a feed with DS but don't remember feeding him.

Another day indoors as snow flurries all day. I HAVE CABIN FEVER!

CalamityJ Thu 07-Mar-13 22:24:17

I think I jinxed things with my weather comment as it's been dreadful ever since. Went out today for the first time since Monday to get some BF advice and I'm so glad I did. My boobs were enormous and uncomfortable! Fed her this evening and I feel so much better. Has anyone else had the weird thing of feeding on one boob and the other one is sitting there dripping in sympathy?

bangersmashandbeans Fri 08-Mar-13 01:19:58

Calamity I get that too! I keep feeding DS on one side and when I burp him realising his babygro is soaking wet from the other boob! The other weird thing is my boobs telling me when he's going to wake up - if he's had a long sleep I get shooting pains through my boobs (let down I guess?) right before he wakes up. The human body is really rather clever!

ImGoingToCountToThree Fri 08-Mar-13 11:18:56

Bangers I get that too, like a burning/sharp pain even when I think about feeding DD. it amazes me how your body knows when the next feed is due! The only problem I have is remembering which side I fed from last sometimes....sometimes it's glaringly obvious with one boob massive grin

I have a sore boob today like its bruised, feel like I've been punched in the side of it. I'm predominant it's a blocked duct so have been massaging it. Hope it helps.

How is everyone's partners/husbands with their little one? Do they help out lots? Have they bonded easily/quickly?

ImGoingToCountToThree Fri 08-Mar-13 11:19:52

Predominate = presume

Want2bSupermum Fri 08-Mar-13 13:15:34

counting DH helps out a lot but I had to train him with DD. If this is your first and they are not helping out you need to put your foot down. DH was ambivalent towards DD in the first couple of weeks until I made him take on a more hands on parenting role. He and DD have an amazing relationship.

IT IS BLOODY SNOWING! There are 3" on the ground. I HAVE CABIN FEVER. My godmother arrives tomorrow night. Tomorrow I will probably be in for most of the day too as DH is studying and we have our saviour come in to look afer DD as I still can't lift her. Hoping I can escape for a walk around the block while DS sleeps.

CalamityJ Fri 08-Mar-13 13:42:00

I was getting those shooting pains after I expressed as DD was getting worked up in the night & not feeding. Along with other symptoms the doctor has diagnosed thrush so we're both on medication. Felt so much better after expressing. Boobs felt less full & I was less upset that she was struggles to feed because she took the bottle easily. Two BFs this morning so I don't think I've spoilt her with the bottle.

As I had a c - section DH has had to be really hands on & I've only been doing one nappy change a day. He does the cooking anyway & it's just been the washing & drying I've been keeping on top of (who knew there'd be so much!) Picking DD up off the floor is the hardest thing.

NAR4 Fri 08-Mar-13 13:47:40

DH is great with my new DS and was great with all my other DCs. Never minds getting up in the night to wind DS when I am knackered. Happy to bath him, dress/undress him and change nappies, even pooey ones. Great at cooking tea and helping with housework too.

Weather here has been cold, wet and misty for the last couple of days. Hoping for nicer weather next week so I can start going for some walks (don't fancy it in the rain) to start burning off some of the extra fat I have accumilated during this pregnancy.

Aldan Sat 09-Mar-13 17:26:48

DS seems to be finding a feeding pattern now. He's feeding every 1.5-2 hours and sleeping in between. He's a lot more alert than DS1 was although DS1 was 10 days early and DS2 4 days late so that may be the difference???

Had to get the midwife out this morning. I took my dressing off last night and it was still bleeding. She came this morning and put a new dressing on. Got another midwife coming tomorrow to check it and maybe take the stitches out. It looks bad, a lot worse than my previous scar hmm

Anyone doing anything nice for mothers day tomorrow? Midwife said I've been doing too much and I'm not allowed out for a few days hmm

Aldan Sun 10-Mar-13 17:03:05

DS is a week old today, time is flying too fast!

Aldan Mon 11-Mar-13 16:32:38

I spoke too soon about the beginnings of a feeding routine, DS fed from 8pm to 2am, he woke everytime I put him in his cot. I'm soooo tired today!

ImGoingToCountToThree Mon 11-Mar-13 18:16:16

Alan that's a lot of feeding- is he using you for comfort, like dummy do you think?
My DD does this if I let her, she finishes feeding and stays latched whilst asleep but not swallowing so I usually pop my little finger into the corner of her mouth to release myself and then wind her and put her back in her crib smile

DD doing well she is 25 days old today nearly 4 weeks! I really can't comprehend how quickly it has flown.
She was weighed this morning by the health visitor and now weight 9.5lbs and has a lovely little double chin grin

NAR yes DH does majority of cleaning, cooking and also changes lots of nappies and has taken charge of bath time.
I asked the question as he said he doesn't feel that he has fallen head over heels with her like he was expecting to and like other dads have said he would do and I think it's worrying him.
He loves her obviously but I think he was expecting some kind of switch to be flicked and feel overwhelmed with love for her, I have read up about it now and it seems that sometimes it takes some men a little while longer to properly bond with their baby rather than it being straight from birth.
He gives her lots of cuddles, talks to her and is very natural with her.
I was just wondering if anyone else's DH has taken a little longer to bond with their baby?

Aldan Mon 11-Mar-13 18:18:20

Yes I think I am being used as a dummy he's crying as soon as put back in his cot though. Is anyone co-sleeping? Midwives said how dangerous it is and scared me but I fell asleep with DS1 loads???

NAR4 Tue 12-Mar-13 13:19:48

Sorry counttothree I misunderstood your question. My DH bonded with all of my DC straight away, but he is very broody for a man. Like you I have heard that it often takes men a little longer to form a bond and tends to be more of a gradual thing.

Want2bSupermum Fri 15-Mar-13 01:23:53

Well I have been driving since Tuesday lunchtime and it has been great to be getting out and about. I have been walking a fair bit. My godmother is visiting and is awesome. Totally great to have her here. DD has been home from daycare yesterday and today so we did a nature tour yesterday. I am going to miss her when she leaves on Sunday morning.

aldan We cosleep with DS when he doesn't settle. He falls asleep on my stomach and we put him in the middle of us on his back. We have a king so neither of us are anywhere near him. We have a tempurpedic topper which is 4" thick so our movements don't affect him at all. If you are worried you can get little sleepers for the baby to sleep in.

counttothree I think it helped to have DH feed DD and DS do one feed a day. For me feeding my DC strengthens the bond. FWIW it took me a little while to fully bond with DD. It was much quicker this time with DS.

NAR4 Sun 17-Mar-13 08:56:38

How is everyone doing. Are you all managing with the tiredness caused by night feeds? Any of you with toddlers, how is the jealousy.

My new DS has just turned 3 weeks and has decided he likes to be held all the time. My DD is good with him but does keep trying to pick him up if he has finally gone down and has become very demanding of my time (a bit jealous). DS is a very pooey and sicky baby and can easily go through 6 changes of clothes a day, not to mention all the bedding. Completely underestimated how much he would add to the washing, so early on. I should know better by now.

DH has already admitted that his heart would like another DC (so would I, but not yet,) but is worried that his head says that would be crazy.

Lots of people keep asking when we will be having the next one. I think the assumption is that looking after a baby will put you off wanting more. Does anyone else get asked this?

Aldan Sun 17-Mar-13 09:49:36

Night feeds are starting to hurt! Left DS with DH last night (we have separate rooms because of his snoring!) so I managed to sleep better than I have in days. DH brought DS in when he needed feeding but I still slept so much better. DS grunts a lot. I'm thinking he has reflux. He's fine during the day but starting from 10 pm he's feeding every hour and grunting and crying, this goes on until about 5am. He's also sick a lot both posseting and projectile vomiting, washing machine is on all the time grin. DH is back at work tomorrow so he won't be doing the nights again until the weekend. Let's hope DS grows out of his nocturnal habits soon!

Still in bed watching superman with DS1 who's 5 cuddling DS2. No jealousy here DS1 loves his little brother so much grin

CackleALot Sun 17-Mar-13 16:03:50

Hi All, struggling with night feeds here too. Have had terrible couple of nights where DD has been up sucking pretty much constantly from 1.30am - 5.30am n with a toddler to deal with during the day I'm exhausted! Tried her with dummy after a full feed but she won't take it.

No jealousy as such here but DS playing up so much more, he will kill her with kindness! constantly have to watch him for cuddling her & kissing her! His tantrums have increased & intensified!

Slightly anxious as next week will be my first full week on my own with them both. How do others deal with an early rising toddler?

Also, just curious - do you ladies bf during the night in bed or do you get up into another room? just wondering as I've noticed other MNtters get up n watch TV etc, wondering if this would make it easier or harder...

Aldan Sun 17-Mar-13 20:34:24

Sounds very similar to our nighttimes cackle it's not fun is it hmm. I feed DS in bed either lying down or if I feel awake enough I'll sit up with a few pillows. Got a tv in my room and an iPad so I can always find something to watch if I need it. Wouldnt want to go to another room it's too cold!

NAR4 Sun 17-Mar-13 20:50:59

Cackle there is no way I would get up and watch the tv whilst doing a night feed. That would leave me a lot more tired in the morning. I just put DS in bed next to me and feed him lying down. Sometimes I put him back into his moses basket (next to the bed) when he has finished, but most of the time I fall back to sleep while he is feeding and simply swap him onto the other side when he wakes up for his next feed.

CackleALot Sun 17-Mar-13 22:19:31

Thanks Aldan & Nar that's what i've been doing with a bit of the nodding dog syndrome when propped with pillows! grin Frightened I squash her if I fall asleep with her lying feeding or OH elbowing her in face!

Aldan Mon 18-Mar-13 16:51:14

Health visitor came out today and DS does have Tongue tie. He has been having trouble latching on so I'm not surprised at all. She said he can have it snipped to make BF easier but I'm not sure has anyone had any experience with Tongue tie?

CackleALot Mon 18-Mar-13 20:45:32

Sorry to hear that Aldan, sorry don't have experience of it but I'm sure someone will be along soon!

NAR4 Tue 19-Mar-13 10:08:04

Aldan my DD didn't need hers snipped as only really mild, but I know the midwifes at my hospital are trained to do it and it only takes seconds.

ImGoingToCountToThree Tue 19-Mar-13 10:51:23

Hello everyone

Yes finding night feeds hard too, DD has a cold at the moment so she is a lot more unsettled...although saying that she didn't sleep all evening until 11pm and then slept until 3.40 smile I think it was random good-ish night because after that she was grumbling until 6am.
I don't think I could get up and watch TV in the night either, or go into another room. I think that would possibly disturb us both too much and I would be more tired the next day.
I just prop myself up on cushion with a very low watt light on and try not to snooze.

I have no experience of tongue tie sorry. Sorry to hear your LO is struggling with it.

How are everyone's emotion at the moment? I had a emotional day yesterday but feeling a bit brighter today, I'm presume its just the accumulation of lack of sleep.

NAR4 Tue 19-Mar-13 14:46:56

CountToThree I would say the emotions are due to tiredness.

Got put back on AB again today as temperature has gone back up and I had retained membranes. Hope this sorts it as DS gets really bad upset tummy when I am taking AB. Feeling pretty crap but know I will feel much better in a day or two, once the AB have had time to start working. Other than that I have been feeling rather good since the birth and seem to have made a super speedy recovery. Hard to believe I had a baby only three weeks ago. How is everyone else recovering?

Aldan Tue 19-Mar-13 18:27:45

Poor you nar4, hope the ab's don't affect your DS too much. I'm feeling great now even did some walking the last couple of days. I feel I've recovered from this CS much faster than last time.

DS2 has been referred to the hospital for his tongue tie, apparently it's about a 6 week wait so theres enough time to see if the BF gets better without the op. He feeds fine but latching on is terrible and is starting to hurt a lot now, not enough to stop though.

NAR4 Wed 20-Mar-13 07:29:32

Aldan My DD gave me a badly cracked nipple from poor latching on, due to mild tongue tie. I got an infection bevause of it. 6 weeks seems a ridiculously long time to wait. Our hospital just let you go to the maternity ward and the midwife will do it there and then. Hope breastfeeding goes alright for you in the mean time.

Aldan Wed 20-Mar-13 11:03:01

My hospital doesn't deal with tongue tie I think that's why there's more of a wait (and a long drive to the childrens hospital). I won't give up BF though I'm sure it will work out smile.

Are you feeling any better nar4?

Want2bSupermum Thu 21-Mar-13 14:38:14

Aldan sorry to hear you have a six week wait for tongue tie. DD had a mild case of it and we bottle fed as my milk didn't come in so it wasn't an issue. If my milk had come in I would have had that snipped right away! My nipples were badly cracked.

DS is off the charts weight and height wise. He will be 4 weeks (where did the last month go!) on Monday and we are opening up the 6 months box of clothes. He is still Up Chuck Phil and we call him King Toot. The paediatrician offered us the option of giving him medication but said the only true cure is time. She also said a thicker formula helped her children and she said we should try the ready mixed formula before trying the spitup one as she wasn't keen on DS having rice starch so young.

Doing 3 loads of laundry a day and I have called a plumber about getting a 2nd washing machine installed. I go back to work in a couple of weeks and I am up for promotion. Can't wait for the 2nd week of June when DH will be finished his last set of MBA exams. After that the only thing left will be his group project.

irismom Thu 21-Mar-13 15:20:13

Can I join You lot, please. I was going on to the other thread(sleepless nights and stitches) every other day and was wondering where is everyone. Glad I found this today!
Me too had sore and bleeding nipples and it is better now, and then had very bad case of Urinary infection and high fever for a week. was on AB and it just finished today. other than that, I think the recovery was perfect.
DS 25 days old today is good sleeper compared to my DD. but he vomits, both possetting and curddled a lot after every feed. went to GP, on Colief now. was ok for 3-4 days, now back to square 1 think sad
Read all the posts today, while LO was sleeping, though I was nodding thro out. Love to have u all to go thro this wonderful yet strainful journey. brewbiscuit

Aldan Thu 21-Mar-13 18:14:33

Glad others have vomiting babies too it reassures me! We also have the washing machine on 3 times a day had the foresight to replace our old leaky machine just after Christmas I'm so glad grin

Want2bSupermum Fri 22-Mar-13 15:17:04

Welcome irismom. With the vomiting the dr we saw sounded like she knew what she was doing. She advised us to burp every oz, have him sit upright for 20mins after a feed and to use gripe water after his last burp. She then suggested we try the thicker feed. I think in the UK it is the 'hungry baby' formula but here in the US she suggested we try the ready mixed similac formula as it is a little thicker than formula made from powder and if that doesn't work to try the spit up one (which has the rice starch in it). She did say that the medication rarely works. The other helpful thing she said was that we should get the waterproof underlay for a bed and put it under DS when feeding him. She said it helped to cut down on her laundry.

Aldan We were without power for 8 days after hurricane sandy. It took me two days to do 8 days of laundry. I don't think we would last 8 days now!

irismom Sat 23-Mar-13 09:50:13

thank you supermum. I was paranoid for first two weeks, every time he vomits. Now getting used to it. I am BFing, so dr asked me to stop taking diary. which is of no use, other than making me hungry. med is nt helping much, as u said. heard abt gripe water. will try that, if i can get it over the counter. I am using every other big cloth/towel/flannels as bedding for him. it prevents things going down to actual bedding..
regarding burping. I am keeping him upright, burping him for sometime, but he doesnt always burp sad tried shoulders, thighs.
keeping hime on his leftside now

Aldan Sat 23-Mar-13 14:23:06

We are the same irismom, I was laying DS on a muslin whilst feeding him but I kept needing to change me bedding when he vomited I've started lying him on a towel now much easier grin. It's not fun watching them be sick so often is it hmm

NAR4 Mon 25-Mar-13 15:58:57

Feeling much better now thanks Aldan, although still on the course of ABs. If I get a raised temp again after this course my DH has said I need to get a scan done privately, if GP still refuses, as he doesn't want to risk me becoming ill. (Had some membranes left after the birth).

irismom my eldest DS used to vomit A LOT. To be honest the only cure I found was to give them time to grow out of it. This tends to happen when their muscles get stronger, about the time they start sitting and crawling. Its a lot of washing but time really goes fast and it all seem a distant memory the moment they finally grow out of it.

Feel human again now and look fairly human (back in most of my old clothes, if with an overhang of belly), but my brain is mush, due to lack of sleep. I told my oldest DS how I nearly forgot to collect him from school (half day) and then before we got home, told him again. He said to me "whats even funnier is that you have told me that already". blush I should start a thread; silly things you have done or said, due to extreme tiredness.

Aldan Wed 27-Mar-13 07:34:01

It's soooo quiet on here...

I expressed for the first time yesterday, DS had about 2oz from a bottle so I'm quite pleased. I'm hoping I can store enough milk to allow me to get a full nights sleep this weekend. DS is in bed with me every night now, he makes such a fuss if I put him in his cot he grunts a lot but he's silent if he's in my bed. I think it's because he lies on his side in my bed which helps his tummy.

Good news, I'm driving again, it's only been 3 weeks post CS but my doctor said its ok to drive. I'm really pleased as DS1 is off school for 2 weeks now and is already getting bored!

irismom Wed 27-Mar-13 15:24:16

Nar4 I have heard the same thing from many of my friends, But i think I am expecting a miracle tbh. I can handle the vomiting without alarming thoughts now, after four weeks :P. My concern now is of his clothes forever wet, and the bibs soaking. How often do you all change the clothes? And nappies at night?
I do change his clothes mostly before / in between a feed (burping break). but withing seconds he vomits on that and the neck/ear side of the cloth is always soaking wet. He doesnt seem to be bothered though. By that time he will be asleep and I dont want to disturb him. Same thing happens at night. I change him to a new nappy and then feed, while feeding I know it is getting fuller/poo, but he will be asleep by the end of feed sad
Aldan it is so quiet here.. everyone seems so busy grin

Want2bSupermum Thu 28-Mar-13 03:01:51

Hi iris I change DS after every feed. I wait for him to throw up! I feed him every 4hrs now which has helped cut down on the laundry. Diaper is changed at the same time.

I always change clothing as soon as it is wet. They can't maintain their temp at this age. Bibs are all terry towel type ones that I got on amazon. Wish I had them for DD!

Nar - hope ur feeling better. guess things must be really bad in the uk as my dad just had to go to europe for treatment.

NAR4 Thu 28-Mar-13 09:25:02

irismom I only change nappies at night if DS has pooed (unlike all my other DCs he doesn't do one every feed) and sometimes because it is very wet. I always change clothes straight away if they get sick on them as I worry he will get sore. He doesn't like getting changed but settles quickly afterwards. You can put all the sicked on clothes in a bucket of water to stop staining and then when yoy have a washload they should just need a short wash cycle, which makes it quicker and saves yoy money on your water.

Want2bSupermum I feel fine now thanks. Finished ABs on Tuesday so am hoping DS will be more settled today with less tummy ache. He was up with pains for several hours last night so fingers crossed that is the last of it.

Hope everyone enjoys the bank holiday weekend. smile

ImGoingToCountToThree Mon 01-Apr-13 20:52:11

Hello, how is everyone doing?

My little bundle is 6 weeks now and things are going well. First smiles are starting now smile feeding is going well and we have been regularly getting 5-6 hours during the night which is much better.
Not looking forward to first immunisations though in a couple of weeks.
Have my 6 week check this Wednesday.
Hope everyone is doing well and those who were having problems with feeding and or colic are managing through these difficult first weeks.

Aldan Mon 01-Apr-13 22:32:27

Hope everyone had a great Easter break grin

Immunisations aren't nice, but worse for you at this age I think iwanttocounttothree hmm

Does anyone know what the advice is re swimming? When can I take DS to a public swimming pool?

NAR4 Tue 02-Apr-13 09:32:23

Aldan there doesn't seem to be any advice about swimming anymore. When my older DSs were little the advice used to be to wait until the 2nd lot of immunisations, when they were 3 months. Think this was mainly due to the worry they might get polio from the water (not that they could in a proper treated pool) and 2 lots of immunisations to give their body time to make antibodies. With my DD (who has just turned 2) I waited until she was 2 months, but mainly because I was still bleeding after the birth until then, so was at risk of infection myself before it stopped.

My DS only woke up once last night but before you feel jealous it was at 1am and he didn't go back down until 5am, so sounds much better than it was. I feel like death now and have 3 noisy teenage boys, a very active toddler and the baby to entertain today. Yeah! grin

Aldan Tue 02-Apr-13 10:07:58

Sounds rough nar4, hope you manage a quietish day. DS2 was awake 11.30-1.30 then slept until 6 and has been awake since so I'm tired but not as tired as you. I think I'll take him swimming next week, he'll be 5 weeks then.

NAR4 Tue 02-Apr-13 17:01:44

I've had a lovely day, with the children all fairly calm and quiet. Got a bit of shopping done this morning and bought a new film which the children watched after their lunch with popcorn. DH will be home within the hour, so he can take over if I start to flake.

Booked family photo session for end of May, when baby will be old enough to smile at toys being rattled.

Will try to catch up on some of the washing and housework tomorrow. Happy children and a sane mother were more important today.

CackleALot Wed 03-Apr-13 22:57:08

Hi all, sounds all nice & calm on here (or maybe its just tiredness!)

DD 5 weeks now, to be honest I'm struggling a bit adjusting tho having 2 especially with breastfeeding as DD always seems hungry & DS sees this as opportunity to get up to mischief! Feeling quite overwhelmed at times especially when family all nearly 200miles away.

On a positive note BFing going much better than last time, no supply issues as yet, DD EBF & has put on over 2lbs.

Night feeding still unpredictable, could be up for 2 short feeds or up for hours feeding. DD also quite fussy in evening, appeared in pain this evening & hard to settle so wondering if she has reflux

Hope everyone else doing well & have had a nice Easter

Marcheline Thu 04-Apr-13 05:03:09

Hi everyone, its been a while since I've posted an its amazing how things have moved on - it sounds as though things have been settling down a bit for all the babies; I have to say, I'm finding things much easier this time especially now BabyMarch is past the 6 week Mark.

Nights are much better now and I am only usually up 3 or 4 times, bit it's hard to settle her back down because she's got a very unsettled tummy. Sounds like it's a common problem! I try to keep get upright on my shoulder for half an hour after a feed, then put her on her aide in her bassinet, but she still sometimes struggles and vomits so we have to change her and start the feed again.

BF is going really well now I'm past the cracked nipples stage. In still getting quite engorged but it's gradually settling down and I'm hoping that by 8 weeks I'll be more comfortable and will stop leaking all over the place!

Cackle how old us your DS? I've started to set up little craft activities / playdoh / put on a film for DD1 before settling down to feed and it's made a huge difference with her behaviour. It also helps that feeding doesn't take as long as it used to, so she is on her own less. It is so hectic with two and I'm o ly just getting used to it - I've been really lucky and had DH for a few extra days over Easter as he took some holiday, and DD1 was in nursery yesterday so I had some time alone with the baby which was great for all of us. Do you have a playgroup or crèche you can put DS into for a morning a week?

CackleALot Thu 04-Apr-13 09:15:03

Hi March, Glad to hear things are getting easier - I have high hopes for 6 wks!grin

DS will be 3 in May & goes to nursery 1 day a week which is a big help. I'm hoping it'll feel easier when I'm getting more sleep. Also found its much easier to get out of the house.

Craft activities are a good idea & thankfully he does like TV/films. I'm trying to meet up with other mums as much as possible so don't feel so isolated.

NAR4 Thu 04-Apr-13 22:31:48

Cackle my DD is much harder if I stay home all day rather than go to toddler group. Like march I give DD activities to occupy her whilst I breastfeed. My big wish is for DD to sleep through the night so I am only getting up with the baby. She often gets up as many times as the baby. DH is meant to she to her at night because I am doing all the night feeds, but he normally needs me to wake him, which kind of defeats the point.

DD was jealous of DS to start with, but has settled down now, thank goodness.

Looking forward to getting my 6 week check out of the way so I can start some exercise to try and shrink my mummy tummy. Burgh, now the hard work begins.

Marcheline Fri 05-Apr-13 21:58:17

NAR are you already thinking about exercising confused I can't think of anything worse right now! Walking is best for me so I'm doing that already, but anything high-impact is a real no-go for me.

I'm so tired that I'm going cross eyed but wanted to pop on to say that I hope everyone has lovely, sleep-filled nights.

CackleALot Tue 09-Apr-13 21:56:27

Nar our DS is getting up during the night too we've now stupidly got into habit of DH just getting up & sleeping in his bed with him so he goes straight back to sleep, on a plus note it means me & DD have bed all to ourselves for night feeds! grin We'll tackle it sometime!

Want2bSupermum Thu 11-Apr-13 02:35:55

Got the all clear to start exercising today. Went for a run before the heavens opened and it was great.

Cackle I am in your boat too... DD is 21 months and it is a nightmare trying to contain her while I feed DS. Elmo and Curious George are very popular in this house! DH left last Wednesday and I was on my own until Monday PM. I got sick on Saturday and it was awful. The only person I could get hold of was my friend whose DH has cancer. I wasn't sure when his next chemo round was as he gets quite ill. Unfortunatly he had just had it and was really sick. We all survived... just!

It has been all go here. DD had tubes put in yesterday and the dog was treated for his ear infection this afternoon. With the PIL arriving I have been able to get the house in decent shape. It is now clean but needs a serious decluttering.

I go back to work on April 22nd which is a week on Monday. I can't believe how time has flown. My inlaws have hijacked DS but I am ok with it. This might be their last grandchild and they didn't get to have cuddles with DD when she was this age.

Marcheline Thu 11-Apr-13 09:20:32

Want2b work is so close! I would secretly love to go back as I'm finding this really hard to be honest. I'll be going back to work in September.

Evenings are killing me at the moment. The baby won't be put down and wants to feed but is really only sucking for comfort I think, as she then throws up. This morning I have two loads of bed clothes to wash.

Sitting upstairs in the dark trying to get her to sleep is really starting to get to me. I need my evenings in order to be sane, but I don't know how to reclaim them. Baby is 7 weeks old and we have the beginnings of a routine, I'm trying to get her into gina ford but she's very sleepy in the mornings and then so unsettled in the evenings. It's wearIng me down and I'm staring to really lose it with DH.

This happened last time and I ended up with awful PND.

CackleALot Thu 11-Apr-13 15:08:48

want2b & march It could be me writing your posts! its so stressful isn't it, sorry I have no words of wisdom but its comforting to know I'm not alone. want2b enjoy help from PILs smile

I go back to work in sept too. Sat upstairs crying in the dark last night as baby wouldn't settle, just feel exhausted. she hates being put in Moses basket or pram, its wearing me down! We got her settled then DS was in our bed at 4am sad

Just keep telling myself this won't last forever and baby's smiles & small babblings make it all worth while!!

I think I stress myself out as I feel bad if I've not managed to get housework etc done & don't wasn't DH to think I've done nothing all day!

Want2bSupermum Thu 11-Apr-13 18:54:30

March I have been really lucky with DD being a good sleeper as she has a pacifer - I call it the plug! If you want your evenings back I would have your DH look after her alternate nights or another family family member. A happy mummy makes for a happy family.

Cackle I think the exhaustion is the hardest. It is a form of torture....

Marcheline Fri 12-Apr-13 01:57:08

Oh cackle try not to worry about the housework. I'm sure that your DH knows that your DS and tiny baby are all it takes to keep you completely busy all day.

However, since being at home every day I am now nearly obsessed with hoovering - the floors just get so much more messy now DD1 and I are traipsing in and out of the garden etc. That's not to mention all the extra washing up / loads of washing / surface wiping because DD1 seems to have permanently sticky hands!

Anyway, Want2b I know what you mean about sleep depravation torture. Tonight I fell asleep on the sofa and DH covers me with a blanket and left me to sleep as I was so exhausted. I wokenup and the house was dark, it was so disorientating! On the plus side, it means that he baby slept from about 8.30pm until 11.30 so I got a decent block of sleep, even if it was on the sofa!

Unfortunately this baby won't take a dummy or a bottle. I keep trying, bit she pulls faces and gags, and if I persist she just ends up vomiting. I was so desperate to establish BF that we didn't offer any bottles and now she thinks they're the devils own work. I'm going to persevere with bottles though. A friend is having girls over for wine in May and I desperately want to go sans baby and enjoy myself. It sounds colossally selfish but I haven't had a night out in months and it would be so brilliant to be able to leave the baby with DH.

I hope you're both having good, sleep filled nights xx

Marcheline Fri 12-Apr-13 02:12:47

And Cackle, I have been sitting in the dark trying to get the baby to settle, quietly getting desperate and going mad, all week. Tonight I gave up, and brought her downstairs to feed. I was so muchore relaxed and she dropped of to sleep, then I gave her to DH to ring upstairs and put to bed. It made a huge Difference to how I felt and I didn't spend the evening in tears or shouting at DH for his inability to breastfeed. I know gina / baby whisperer say you shoul settle them in the dark upstairs, bit if they're not actually settling, I think you should give yourself a break.

Aldan Fri 12-Apr-13 17:21:42

Hello all. I've not been on mn for a bit. I hope everyone is doing ok. I'm just about to start exercising, davina DVD is ready to go smile not had the all clear yet, going to docs on Wednesday so ill just take it easy. My dad is renewing his wedding vows in June and its DSs christening so I really really want to be somewhere close to my pre pregnancy weight by then. I'm still BF and I am soooo hungry all the times does anyone else feel like that?

I'm back at work next Saturday wanttobe, not a nice feeling is it hmm. I work for myself so ill only be doing a few hours to start with but still hmmhmmhmm

Marcheline, your evenings sound exactly like my evenings, feeding for comfort then throwing up. I hope a real routine emerges soon for you all. You worry me saying your DD won't take a bottle, I need to be back at work so I may have a battle on my hands getting DS to take a bottle then...

Cackle, we have moved DS into a cot already it's a travel cot which has a vibrating mattress- it's worked wonders grin and bugger the housework gringrin

Marcheline Fri 12-Apr-13 19:08:24

Don't worry Aldan, some babies take bottles and dummies better than others. DD1 loved bottles from the word go but I remember the angst some of my Nct group had trying to introduce bottles. Now it's my angst! Gina says to offer nothing but a bottle for 24 hours and you'll crack it. Apparently it won't harm the baby. It sounds really dull on though so I'm offering a bottle every evening when my milk is low, but I'm not pushing it.

Good luck with work! My head isn't ready yet but I'm starting to get bored athome - I am starting to sort through drawers and reorganise,a sure sign that I need out!

CackleALot Fri 12-Apr-13 19:41:44

Thanks Ladies...had better night last night which made a difference today.

March we're having same prob with bottle & dummy here. I totally understand wanting to be able to get out without baby for a few hours to let hair down.

Aldan good for you for even looking out DVD!! I am constantly starving with bfing & have 3 weddings in summer to get in shape for - hope motivation comes soon!!

Aldan Fri 12-Apr-13 20:36:47

Thanks march, hopefully he'll be fine with the bottle.

Cackle, the constant eating is horrible isn't it. I'm scoffing chocolate and biscuits all the time no wonder DS is so huge grin

Davina DVD done! It was only the postnatal one so quite easy but my thighs are now feeling it! I checked my stomach muscles and they are still quite far apart, does anyone know when try usually go back?

Marcheline Sat 13-Apr-13 13:03:03

There is a postnatal Davina DVD? I must get one.

I'm eating constantly too, it is gross. We're going on holiday in a month and I'm all wobbly and dimpled. Need to find a really good tummy-tucker swimsuit that will accommodate massive boobs...

Who ever said having children wasn't glamorous? hmm

Gbnewbie Sun 14-Apr-13 23:49:55

Congratulations all!!! mind if I join you???

I was on the ante natal thread here and there but after my little fella arrived I didn't have much time for mn.
Ds1 was born on the 14th weighing in at 7.5lb (Not the birth I'd hoped for and quite an ordeal but lo arrived safe and well grin)

Spent yesterday and today reading the thread and wish I had thought to find you all in those early days as you've all been so supportive of each other and there's so much info which I would've found really helpful! I had massive problems bf'ing, so upsetting and frustrating. I persisted and now all seems to be well thankfully smile

It sounds like you all have more than the latest additions. Is anyone a first timer like me?

Does anyone have any advice re blocked ducts? I think that must be what's going on as I have huge tenderness in one boob and that bit is really hard, horrible hmm

Aldan Mon 15-Apr-13 14:13:08

Hi gbnewbie. Well done for persisting with BF. I haven't had a blocked duct this time but with DS1 I had mastitis, very painful hmm. The only advice I have is to just feed from that side and try to massage the block out when feeding. Hope that makes sense?

Davina DVD done again, and just off to pick DS1 up from school, it's a 3 mile round trip. I WILL get back into my pre-pregnancy clothes...

Marcheline Mon 15-Apr-13 22:29:05

Hi gbnewbie, try to clear that duct by feeding as often as poss an massaging it while feeding like Aldan suggests. If your DS isn't emptying your breasts, express if you can to properly empty them after he feeds (or even better, express a tiny bit before he feeds so that he still gets the really fatty milk from the end of the feed). Mastitis is really hideous, do whatever you can to try to avoid it but if you start feeling at all poorly get yourself to your up for antibiotics.

Don't worry, this might be my second baby but I'm still pretty clueless - see my thread tonight in the 'sleep' topic!

Well done with your bfing, I had a hard time too, as is evident from this thread) and am really proud of myself for keeping going. With DD1 she wad pretty much bottle fed by now so I feel as though it's a bit of a personal triumph this time.

Aldan I am in awe. I'm basically still superglued to the sofa with chocolate in permanent supply. I will not be beach ready this summer, I can tell you.

Aldan Tue 16-Apr-13 13:53:19

I haven't a hope of being beach ready but looking presentable fully clothed wearing spanx may be possible grin

NAR4 Wed 17-Apr-13 14:16:02

Nice to hear others are also thinking about tackling the baby weight.

I've been back in my jeans since 3 weeks post baby, but my tummy still looks pregnant at the top. Weirdly the bottom part has gone down fantastically.

Starting buggy fit tomorrow and very nervous.

Struggling to keep my eyes open recently so not sure how I will be managing tomorrow pm after the class.

CackleALot Wed 17-Apr-13 20:37:40

I am in awe of all of your motivation re baby weight - I'm still opting for sofa, tea & biscuits wink can just about fit into pre-preg jeans but can't button them yet so fastening with hair bobble! blush

Nice to hear from you gb how's the blocked duct?

Marcheline Wed 17-Apr-13 22:23:14

I'm not in pre-preg jeans confused I've become much wider around the waist but am the same everywhere else. It's probably due to my epic sugar consumption.

Aldan Thu 18-Apr-13 07:37:12

Me too march, I'm a way off me pre pregnancy jeans yet. I too am a sugaraholic grin

Gbnewbie Thu 18-Apr-13 18:18:51

Thanks March and Aldan!! I did as you suggested and (whispers) all seems fine now. Now I just wish I could get both boobs to be the same size wink.

Am very impressed by anyone even thinking about exercising! I'm just plain lazy and have got the most incredible sugar and carb cravings so the empty baby belly plumps up nicely after a munch. Feels like I'll be stuck with it for good.. In my pre preg clothes but have belly overhang hmm

Marcheline Fri 19-Apr-13 10:07:15

Oh great Gb, so glad it's a bit better. <whispers> mine have never been the same size BUT they mainly go back to normal after you stop bfing. They feel a bit sadbags to begin with, but after about a year they fill out again (mostly).

I'm not making it sound very good, am I?

Anyway... DH is doing his 'bit' for my sugar cravings and refusing to go out and get me chocolate in the evenings. I don't buy it when I do my proper shopping as I mainly have willpower, but when it comes to the evening I am desperate for sugar. I got very cross with him last night but I know he's right and once I start to break the pattern it will be fine.

BabyMarch is really poorly, she has a completely blocked nose and her eyes are streaming and full of gunk. It making it hard for getting feed and she keeps choking on bits of phlegm and being sick sad It's horrible and I feel so sorry for her. I'm trying to suck the worst if it out but he really hates it and it sometimes makes her throw up as well, so it's a bit of a lose/lose situation really.

Got to dash, taking DD1 to gymnastics. Oh the joy. I wish I could go back to bed for a year or two!

Gbnewbie Sat 20-Apr-13 01:23:47

Oh March, I hope babym is improving. I'm dreading the first illness as I know I'll feel do helpless.

My boobs were on the non existent side so the fullness has been great. Small saggy and empty will be v.depressing!

Just reading about chocolate makes me want some (more).

I hope everyone has good weekends!

Aldan Sun 21-Apr-13 13:56:30

Hows baby march doing now?

I've just taken my boys swimming, only had DS2 in for 15 minutes he's 7 weeks today so a bit little for any longer. He seemed OK with it, it did feel cold though.

Marcheline Tue 23-Apr-13 01:35:52

Babym is ok, we had a terrible night on Friday with lots of screaming. I got 3 hours sleep total and was so worried I called NHs direct and 111 and ended up takin her to the OOH service at a local hospital. The dpctor reckoned reflux and a viral infection. He seems to be on the mend now.

Aldan, you are amazing! I and far too chicken to take both swimming by myself. DH takes DD at the weekend while I try to snooze with the baby.

Right, think she's dropped off so I must get some sleep. Hope everyone's ok and having good nights x

Aldan Tue 23-Apr-13 09:53:10

Glad he's on the mend now march grin

I tried a pilates DVD yesterday and I couldn't even do the basics like go from lying to sitting without using your arms. Does anyone now how ling it takes for your stomach muscles to go back together? On a positive note DS slept from 10-4 last night then fed and slept til 7.30 yaygringringringrin

Have just found this thread. Haven't been on MN for ages until recently. I had my DD at the end of Feb.

Hope you don't mind me joining you all?

How are the weight loss regimes going? I really need to start something - I have a few bits that fit me at the moment so I'm getting by, but have absolutely NO summer things that will fit. I'd much rather lose some weight than have to buy some huge summer clothes!

Gbnewbie Wed 24-Apr-13 18:19:54

March, I hope your little one is back to full health now

Aldan, so great when the manage a big limp of sleep!! Mine is really good and has been sleeping really well for a while now (I count my blessings daily!). I really want to know about the rum question too. I read something that said up to 9... sad

Hi themilk, congratulations grin is your dd your first?

Hi, thank you smile Yes she's my first, really getting into the swing of things now though and it feels like she's always been here if that makes sense? Are there many other first timers? From what I've read it seems like lots of you have toddlers too?

NAR4 Wed 24-Apr-13 21:44:54

I saw a physio about my tummy muscles. He said no sit ups or anything that makes your tummy bulge. Leg slides are good and easy Pilates that works the deepest layer of your tummy muscles. You have to strengthen your tummy from the inside working slowly out as the inner muscles get stronger. It takes months and varies from one pregnancy to the next.

You can strengthen your tummy muscles back up but only time helps all the loose skin go back. Massage helps with skin elasticity but there are no miracles.

Saggy, empty boobs do plump up again eventually but are never as perky again as pre pregnancy.

Its all worth it for our beautiful babies!

Gbnewbie Thu 25-Apr-13 05:52:39

My Ds is my one and only. Though I have got a dog who was my world before lo arrivedsmile (he's getting used to the new set up!). I do know what you mean about feeling they have always been here.

I hope my skin retains some elasticity despite being on the older side grin!!

I've got a dog too who was my baby before DD arrived, feel a bit sorry for her as she's been a bit left out since the baby came home, bless her.

Good to know that there's things that can be done for stomach muscles, mine is a bit of a mess at the moment to say the least! And as for the stretch marks...!

NAR4 Thu 25-Apr-13 08:29:33

Stretch marks fade with time. Think of them as battle scars. You earned them!

That's a lovely way to think about it NAR smile

Marcheline Fri 26-Apr-13 18:31:03

Hi everyone, thanks for your good vibes for baby march - she's definitely much betterbut seems to be getting another cold! It never ends...

DD1 is really getting into her big sister role now but still has her moments. Just like any three year old, really. Bedtimes are hardest still, because she doesn't really userstand the whole 'routine' I need to do for her sister.

So, who is back to work soon? I've been trying to get childcare sorts for when I Ho back in september but it's a nightmare organising it for two!

Want2bSupermum Fri 26-Apr-13 21:15:48

Hi everyone. I am finishing up my first week back at work. Has been interesting! DS starts daycare next week so will be fun trying to do everything and stay sane.

I am dieting now I am back at work. I had to buy some new stuff as my stomach area is just awful. I am going for PT for my stomach muscles and all of it is covered under our health insurance. They have me doing lots of pilates type stuff and doing these funny breathing exercises have really helped. Doing half an hour of quick walking on the treadmill every night. PT not allowing running until further notice.

I've started exercising too, seem to have lost a little weight from other parts but none from tum just yet hmm

How are you finding being back at work? I'm going to be going back around September I think and I'm dreading it to be honest.

Want2bSupermum Fri 26-Apr-13 21:37:10

Honestly, it was easier than I thought it would be from an emotional perspective. What annoyed me was my PIL making a huge song and dance about me going off to work and DD getting upset. DH had a word and the agreement is that if she doesn't go into daycare my FIL will take DD for a walk while we leave for work. She doesnt even notice we are gone when she gets back. I called from skype twice and she was running around the place like she normally does.

From an organization POV I have so much to learn!

NAR4 Sun 28-Apr-13 14:43:33

I was told by PT that running too soon after child birth and doing sit ups can both cause prolapse, something that none of us want.

Has anyone gone swimming yet? All my downstairs lose has finally stopped, so I would like to take the little ones swimming, but not feeling comfortable with displaying my post baby belly. Does anyone know of a miracle swimming costume to hold in tummy and accommodate big boobs? Wore a bikini after other babies so I could buy different size bottoms and top. Figure didn't hold up as well this time.

Want2bSupermum Sun 28-Apr-13 18:04:56

Im not going swimming with DD and DS because I just can't face two kids in the pool on my own. They are too close in age and it just isn't safe. DH is either away or studying for his final set of MBA exams. Until he can come with me, or my friend can come and hold DS I will not be swimming :-(

Nar I have a tanktini that does a great job covering up my belly.

NAR4 Sun 28-Apr-13 18:15:09

Didn't think of a tankini, that's a good idea. I have older Dcs as well, so will be taking them along to help in the pool as well, as younger Dcs are 23m age gap, so too young to safely take on my own.

Marcheline Mon 29-Apr-13 15:37:38

Oh yes, I've been looking for good swimwear too. M&S seems dire from a quick browse online. Anyone found a good tankini that has very sturdy straps? I need proper boulder holders at the moment.

I'm not dieting at all, I'm walking quite a bit but my boobs can't take vigorous exercise. I'm hoping that from 12 weeks (milk becomes demand driven rather than hormone driven, so no more engorgement) I'll be a bit more comfortable.

Want2b ignore your PIL. I think childcare benefits children, and going to work certainly benefits me. I stayed at home with DD1 until she was two and I was so depressed ad lonely, and lost so much self confidence. I'm really looking forward to going back, tbh, though it will cost a fortune in childcare.

NAR4 Thu 02-May-13 08:43:35

Anyone else waiting for a post baby repair? I've been referred but am still waiting for my hospital appointment. If any of you have, did you have to wait long? The longer I wait the more I am worrying about it.

CackleALot Fri 10-May-13 15:14:59

Hi all, not been on for a while.

Sorry you're worrying Nar hope you hear something soon, could you speak to your GP to see if they can find out anything?

How's everyone's exercise going? I'm still..er..thinking about it!! Really need to find some will power to stay away from biscuit though!!

Having good days & bad days here. DS 11 weeks next Tuesday. Still can't get her to take a dummy or bottle, we're finding it really difficult to settle her at nights without putting her on the boob! Then as soon as we put her down she wakes up. Have moved her into cot now as thought rocking motion of basket was waking her so we'll see what happens.

I'd really like to get her to take a bottle so I have the option of leaving her for a bit, we have a wedding in July that the kids as aren't invited too. I've been trying to express to try a bottle but only getting 10 ml a time if that. Wondering if one formula feed in evening will affect my supply, any suggestions?

NAR4 Sat 11-May-13 22:42:52

cackle I do a local buggy fitness class a couple of times a week. Its really good. I just don't have the will power not to eat lots of chocolate.

Spoke to gp during the wk and they said they had only just posted the referral <shock>. The hospital then takes about 3 wks to reply. It sounds ridiculous to me that I had to wait until 8 wks to see if things would magically heal. Then will have to wait another 5 before I even get the date of my appointment to be checked and join another waiting list for the op. At this rate baby will be walking by the time it is all fixed.

Don't give up on expressing. It gets easier with time. Different pumps or hand expressing might work better. Try expressing on one side with the pump while feeding baby on the other side. A regular formula feed every evening will prob effect your supply, but if you don't want to be doing that feed it won't matter. An occasional formula feed shouldn't hurt though, as long as you don't do it too often. You can add to the bottle of expressed milk throughout the day to get a full bottle. 4oz will prob be enough at this age. Hope it gets easier for you.

CackleALot Sat 11-May-13 22:52:20

Thanks Nar can't believe they've just sent referral now! I hope you're not in any pain or anything.

I've been expressing while feeding at each feed so will just freeze the small amounts & add them together, hopefully I'll have enough for a few bottles in time for going to weddings!

NAR4 Sat 11-May-13 23:16:56

A couple of my babies took a bottle of expressed milk beautifully but the others hated bottles. Dh got pretty good at using the bottle lids as little cups to slowly pour milk into baby's mouth. I have a training day at work next wk and baby is still refusing to take a bottle. Have warned work Dh might have to bring him in for feeds.

Not in any pain, but a bit uncomfortable. Prob TMI but hardly anything between vagina and rectum, so no sex until fixed. Midwife initially thought I had a 4th degree tear but then decided it was a few 2nd degree tears that didn't join up. She didn't want to stitch it because it would of required an epidural and trip to theatre. I stupidly didn't quiry this at the time. Just fed up that it is going to take so long to get fixed and also very nervous about how much it will hurt and what the end result will be like.

CackleALot Sun 12-May-13 11:03:58

oh Nar that sounds awful sad no wonder you're worried, I hope you hear something soon.

Good luck with your day at work, its so frustrating when they don't take a bottle, your DH sounds like he has good patience persevering with bottle lid with your others not sure mine would be!!

CalamityJ Sun 12-May-13 19:12:32

I've just got myself a new costume from Next. Problem with a tankini is where the top and bottom meet is my 'problem area' I'm trying to hide!

Aldan Tue 14-May-13 21:03:29

Hello again, I haven't been on for ages smile. I'm blaming being too busy now im back at work but it's probably more like laziness wink

Hope you get the referral soon nar4

Cackle I agree with nar4 don't give up on expressing. It's a pain but worth it.

Calamityj tankinis wouldn't work for me either. I found a costume in sainsburys with a tummy holding in panel smile

Want2bSupermum Mon 20-May-13 13:31:05

The past few weeks have been insanely busy. DH has his last set of exams at the end of the month and I am in the midst of chaos at work. I got mastitis last week and my goodness it was painful. Missed 1.5 days of work through waiting for various doctors. Didn't know you could get mastitis if you were not breastfeeding. Feeling very cheated.

My tummy is still horrendous. We have a work do this afternoon and I have no idea what to wear. I have a choice of 3 dresses but it is on a boat.

DS is dreamy. I spent hours over the weekend giggling away with him. Aaaahhhhh....

Arseface Wed 22-May-13 22:42:25

Hi all,
DTwins arrived four weeks early on Feb 16th. I've been meaning to look for a postnatal thread on here so I'd love to join you if you're still open to newbies?
Hope all babies are settling down nicely tonight and fingers crossed for lovely long chunks of sleep!

NAR4 Thu 23-May-13 08:08:09

GP still hasn't sent the referral to the hospital. They are blaming it on a new computer system they have. I spoke to the hospital and they said it should of all been sorted by now, but they can't see me without a GP referral. They advised I just keep on at GP. DH has taken out medical insurance for me through his work, in the hope I will get everything fixed quicker. Unfortunately the lady from his work who sorts out the medical insurance is on holiday now and as we haven't had any paperwork through we suspect she has left the application in her to do tray.

On the upside baby is doing really well and dispute everything is def. worth it.

CackleALot Mon 27-May-13 22:44:10

Oh Nar how frustrating angry

Welcome arseface its a bit quiet lately but please join in!

How's it going back at work ladies?

NAR4 Wed 29-May-13 22:08:34

Training day was cancelled in the end but useless boss didn't tell me until I turned up.

Got a date for hospital appointment in mid June.

I'm lucky I don't have to go back to work until the week before Christmas. How is it going, leaving the baby, for all those who have already returned?

NAR4 Thu 13-Jun-13 11:13:23

Ds can now bounce his chair very vigorously and is extremely vocal. He desperately wants to be able to sit up. Although he has been able to turn over for a couple of months now, he still doesn't seem to realise he can do it.

Looking forward to ds crawling and seeing him play with his older siblings.

3 months has flown by, yet he already seems like he has always been here.

How is everyone else?

Can87 Thu 13-Jun-13 22:45:44

I haven't posted since the group was set up but just wanted to pop back any say hi. How is everyone doing?
Hopefully your appointment goes well NAR and they can get everything sorted, it seems mad that you've had to wait so long.

I cant believe how fast 3 months have already, in very lucky that my little man has been sleeping through since about 10 weeks so im no longer sleep deprived! Although in expecting it all to change once teeth start appearing.

I hope everyone else is doing ok, i will try to actually keep up with the thread again now smile xx

Arseface Fri 14-Jun-13 00:11:31

Really turned a corner with the babies in the last week. DT1 had a posterior tongue tie clipped and it's made the world of difference. They're both going 4-5 hrs between daytime feeds now and, if I do them together it only takes 15 mins.

8 days ago I was lucky to get an hour between feeds for DT1 and he was pretty miserable a lot of the time.

So nice to be able to get out and about with the older ones and spend more playtime with DT2.

Annoying though as I wanted the twins done as soon as possible after TT issues with both the older DCs. Still took 4 weeks to get DT2 done and kept being told DT1 was fine!

CackleALot Sun 16-Jun-13 21:43:32

Hey nice to hear things are going well for everyone. DD doing well like you Nar I can't believe how time has flown in but feels like she's always been here!

Absolutely love her smiles - even at 5am! She flattens her bouncer chair now! Still breast feeding here but have turned a corner as she is now taking bottles so managed a wee night out! grin

Still battling with DS as he will not leave her alone & seems to be getting rough with her, I know he's bored & I do try to keep him amused but very hard between feeds & keeping house manageable!

CackleALot Sun 16-Jun-13 22:19:05

meant to say DDs 2 bottom teeth are nearly through too!!

Want2bSupermum Thu 20-Jun-13 02:37:33

Hello arseface. Welcome and congrats on bf twins. My friend did it for four months and was just exhausted.

DS is pounding on the weight and growing like a weed. He is well into 9 month clothes. He has his 4 month appointment next week and I can't wait to see how much he has grown. At this rate he will be out of his car seat before he turns six months.

NAR4 Tue 25-Jun-13 12:24:16

Appointment went well and op booked for 1st July. Just having problems persuading hospital to let dh bring baby in to me for his feeds. He won't take any milk from a bottle or cup and just screams. Also not looking forward to 6 weeks of not lifting anything, no housework or exercise classes. Think I will suffer serious cabin fever. It will all seem worth it in the end though and I'm glad the op was booked so quickly.

audweb Tue 25-Jun-13 14:15:49

Hi all new here - my daughter was born on the 12th Feb this year - can't believe we're coming up to five months soon! Where does the time fly?

CackleALot Wed 26-Jun-13 22:51:22

Good luck Nar glad its finally getting dealt with! wishing you a speedy recovery too. hope they let you continue feeds, the less stress the better eh?

NAR4 Thu 27-Jun-13 08:45:20

Hospital have finally agreed to allow baby to be bought in by dh for feeds.

CackleALot Sun 30-Jun-13 20:54:11

That's great! Good luck tomorrow thanks

NAR4 Tue 02-Jul-13 07:39:40

Had op and in lots of pain. Def worse than after childbirth. No probs with feeding baby in hospital. Staff were lovely.

House is a state already. 6 weeks of no housework is going to drive me bonkers.

It will all be worth it, it will all be worth it, it will all be worth it.

irismom Fri 05-Jul-13 09:56:51

NAR4 I am sure it will be worth it. Hope everything goes well there. And house cleaning can wait.

CackleALot Fri 05-Jul-13 18:33:53

nar sorry to hear you are so sore, hope you have lots of help at hand. Agree with iris housework can wait smile Wishing you a speedy recovery, hopefully the next few weeks have lovely sunshine so you can sit outside, relax & ignore the housework! grin

NAR4 Fri 05-Jul-13 21:38:53

Can't pick up my dcs for 6wks either. Have been desperately trying to find someone to work as a mothers help, but no luck so far and dh back to work on Monday. Don't know how I will manage if I don't find anyone. Have tried local school, nursery, toddler groups, youth clubs and children's centre to find someone. Any ideas would be very welcome.

CalamityJ Sat 06-Jul-13 22:21:15

Is anyone else's LO going backwards in the sleep department? DD was sleeping 11-7 after dream feed but now wakes 2 hours after being put down (retiming the dream feed so no huge issue) but then wakes any time between 2 & 5. She's also pooing in her sleep which she's not done since probably 3 weeks. Can't leave her to self soothe with a dirty nappy! 4/5 dirty nappies a day so red old bottom. Teething?

NAR4 Sun 07-Jul-13 08:56:57

They do go backwards with their sleep quite often, at various ages. The dirty nappies could be due to teething. Sun light on a bare bum can help clear nappy rash. Timodine or Metanion are pretty good bum creams.

irismom Mon 08-Jul-13 10:13:42

NAR4 Hope you have got some temp help. and you are getting better. Do you have an FB local page buyin/selling/freeeagle or anything. if yes, try updating a status there, to find help. We have several local pages and people ask/advertise everything there, diy help/cleaning/gardening. and could see brilliant response.

irismom Mon 08-Jul-13 10:25:00

calamity what is dreamfeed? sorry ignorant me, read about this many times, always wonder what it is..
yes, my LO doing that these days, he was always up at 3 and then around 5 for feeds. now a days it seems like 10 times between 3 and 6.30. half the time i cant open my eyes to check the time. I thought he was trying to regain his weight, he had lost so much after a 1 week of high temp, a urinary infection( still dnot know the reason) and hospitalisation.
He had only 1 dirty nappy from 2-3 weeks, now seems like 4-5 , most of the time immediately after/during the feed. it is going on for three weeks now.. I first i thought it is coz of the mucus with fever and cold. but it is continuing even now, when he is better. It went from yellow then turned to pale green and then dark green, thought it was some alien things lol Teething hopefully. He is trying to bite everything his hands can reach and his hands too..

irismom Mon 08-Jul-13 10:28:07

* NAR4* forgot to tell you to enjoy the rest period to the last bit, instead of worrying about the things.. U will never get free time like that ever in your life again. You will miss cuddles and carrying LO around though smile Get Well Soon wineflowers

NAR4 Mon 08-Jul-13 22:26:54

Still not got any free time to relax iris. The help really isn't that good but was all I could get, so better than nothing. My 2yr old managed to unload the washing machine today and then reload it, with instructions. That way I only had to put the wash liquid in, which didn't involve any bending down. Clever little girl.

CackleALot Mon 08-Jul-13 22:33:54

hey irismom a dream feed is feeding your LO without waking them. I do it just before I go to bed & should help them sleep a bit longer - in theory! grin

My DD has cut her 2 front bottom teeth, she was biting & droolling over anything she could get a hold of, explosive nappies & broken sleep, now they're through she's more settled again.

I have been using pick up/put down method to help with day time naps which has helped brilliantly with not needing boob to sleep!

Still not having much luck with her taking a bottle & starting to panic about having to go back to work in sept. I would ideally like to drop daytime bf for ff before sept so she's settled at nursery & I'm not leaking everywhere at work. any suggestions? I know will be starting to wean then too - all seems bit overwhelming right now. DS was 1 before he started nursery so didn't have this problem last time!

NAR4 Mon 08-Jul-13 22:51:41

cackle my sil was struggling to get her dd to take bottles ready for her return to work. Someone recommended Dr brown's bottles to her and she said her dd just took to them really quickly. Worth a try. Hope it all works out for you. I am already concerned for the same reason about my return to work, but have until December.

irismom Tue 09-Jul-13 09:30:38

grin haha dream-feed..
I am trying to bottle feed him for weeks now, not everyday though. He was taking bottle in 2and 3rd week, when i had sore nipples. And I stopped somehow, and now he is not taking it sad I was not constantly trying coz, it may trigger his colic, when he takes in much air. I started giving him Cow n gate this week, he forgot how to suck, just chew.. but I am letting him chew for sometime. Hoping he will get to know somehow. He is not spitting though. Saying that, nothing more than 10ml is going in. Hope he will learn soon. As nara said, ppl says to try diff bottles, teats all sorts of things. there is one in amazon n boots which is said to be similar to nipples ans some ppl swear by it..I have avent and TT going with that as of now, will let you know the progress

CackleALot Tue 09-Jul-13 10:27:53

Thanks ladies! Will try a different teat & see if that helps - these babies cost a fortune! grin

irismom Tue 09-Jul-13 16:28:23

cackle oh yes it is!!! thats why i thought of using the same bottle to see how far it goes, esply when it s diff for diff kids. you will end up buying everything sad
And personally, i think it s coz, babies get used to the bottle, by the time you change and try 10 diff ones, n they somehow start with one..
May be it s my escape mechanism not to try 100 diff ones grin

irismom Tue 09-Jul-13 16:30:07

nara4 ohhh god, bless her smile

CalamityJ Wed 10-Jul-13 18:08:39

For me a dream feed is the one before I go to bed so I get as big a chunk of sleep as possible. Often she's not asleep asleep but drowsy so feeds slowly but well. This hot weather has had her feeding every 2 hours zzzzzzz.......

Want2bSupermum Thu 11-Jul-13 04:54:43

Hello everyone. NAR Hope you are feeling better. It is incredibly hard finding good people to help out. We are very lucky to have a family on our street whose teenage children are sent out to help others. Are there any teenagers who look somewhat organized near you that could help out. Here in the US the high school in our town keep a list of kids that are looking for work during the holidays and at weekends.

cackle We use Dr Brown bottles and I highly recommend them. DS has terrible gas and I had to use an Avent one while on this trip to Denmark. It has been a nightmare and I drove an hour to buy a replacement Dr Brown bottle for $20 (more than the cost of three in the US). DD then decided to chew through all of the paci's we brought with us. That trip cost more than $60 for 6 paci's which would have cost us about $20 back home. I am just shocked at the cost and now understand why no one here bothers having babies.

NAR4 Thu 18-Jul-13 08:32:08

Hope everyone is coping with the heat.

Are there any little ones crawling yet? My ds is sooooo close. He pushes his bum in the air but as he pushes forward his arms collapse to his elbows, so he ends up kind of caterpillaring across the floor. It's all very slow though.

Aldan Sat 20-Jul-13 20:51:37

Not been in here for ages!

I'm loving the hot weather and DS seems OK with it too so I'm happy. I haven't put him in his own room yet as its too hot in there but he's fine in with me grin

DS is doing great, rolling over a lot and loving his jumperoo and is sleeping 8-8 every night which I'm so grateful for! He's feeding lots in the day though so I have started giving him a bit of baby rice and some breadsticks. Have him crumpets this morning and he loved them smile

Nar4 how are you?

Cackle 2 teeth, very cute grin

NAR4 Sun 21-Jul-13 15:29:51

Feeling mostly alright now, thanks Alan. Children all off school for summer holidays, so now have help with a lot more common sense. Never realised how great at helping my children were until my hired help was so clueless.

My baby ds is far from sleeping through the night, but my 2yr old dd still doesn't sleep through, so I'm not surprised. My ds and dd can both get up by 6am and go all day with ds maybe having a brief sleep in the car, on the school run and still not go to bed until 8pm. It must be something I do to them because all my children manage with very little sleep.

irismom Fri 26-Jul-13 14:16:52

Anyone started weaning yet?
what are you started with? how does it go? how did you continue? give the same thing next day or try a different thing altogether?
Please anyone help me with this, mine is 5 months and two days today.

PeanutButter1 Sat 27-Jul-13 21:56:54

Ooooh hello! I am new to MN and as the kid was born on Feb 16 this seems like a good thread to park myself on. Things he likes: being awake, my boobs
Things he doesn't like: sleep, burping, done a big u-turn on baths.
There we go.

newboo Tue 30-Jul-13 21:17:19

Hiya, new on here also, i had my very chilled baby boy on 26th & thought it would be nice to chat to other ma's. He's doing well with weaning, loves his food smile sleeps through, naps well, rolling over & a total delight! I'm very lucky (as we all are!)!! smile

Iris- weaning going well for us, we took it slow- just a bit of baby rice initially around 11 am then after a week or so build up new tastes. I started around 4 months, baba was so ready for food! He's now on a bit of porridge in morning, veg & fruit purée at lunch, bit of mashed fruit for tea. Plus 4 bottles. Following his lead really, gonna give him soft finger food soon smile
Suggest: try things individually in morning on their own just to show for any reactions/allergies. After that can mix together. Only fruit & veg before 6 months, water in cup during meals too!

CackleALot Thu 01-Aug-13 19:54:38

Hi newboo & peanut smile New my dd was born on 26th too!

Nar glad to hear you're doing well.
All OK here, I think we've finally cracked the bottle! Thanks for all your suggestions. She started taking mam dummy so tried mam bottle as teat flatter. she's now getting one bottle a day to help reduce my supply before return to work.

Not started weaning here yet, bought baby rice & porridge today though.

Took did & D's camping a couple of weeks ago which was actually a success!! grin

NAR4 Fri 02-Aug-13 22:47:19

Hi iris I haven't started weaning yet but with dc4 I just gave her finger size pieces of food to feed to herself. That went really well and was so much easier than spooning in puree like I did with my older dcs. I intend to do the finger foods with this ds. You can give them pretty much everything except honey and nuts, by the time they are 6 months. The beauty of finger foods is they just sit at the table with the rest of the family and feed themselves. No preparing anything different for them either. Think it is called baby led weaning' and there is loads of stuff on the internet about it.

Does anyone's baby have teeth yet? My ds has been suffering terribly but none have cut through yet. I've even resorted to an amber necklace shock

Just started crawling a couple of days ago but not zooming round the room yet, more slowly moving along to get a toy and then moving onto the next one when he has had enough of that one.

Ds has a nice head of hair now and is looking much older. Can't believe how quick the time has gone.

Most of my baby weight has finally gone but I have been left with a mummy tummy that the physio doesn't think will go, due to muscle seperation (caused by my last pregnancy). Luckily my dh thinks it looks cuteconfused

newboo Sat 03-Aug-13 08:52:58

hi cackle, all the best babies are born on 26th ;) well done on the camping- I haven't braved a trip away yet!! Any tips for travelling with bubs?
nar well done on losing the weight, I'm with you on the mummy tummy we'll just have to hide embrace our new found "curves" ;)

I highly recommend 'Weaning Made Easy" by Rana Conway. Explains spoon feeding & baby led weaning, and how to combine, meal plans, lots & lots of tips.

Aldan Sun 04-Aug-13 07:10:26

Morning everyone. We are just back from a few days in Wales. We stayed with friends and it was just me and my 2 DSs DH was working. DS2 decided he wouldn't sleep in his travel cot at all or sleep in the day so he ended up in bed with me every night so I didn't get much sleep at all. He's now 5 months and has been sleeping through 12 hours a night since 8 weeks so it was a bit of a shock to the system blush. Going away again on Thursday for 3 nights so I'm slightly dreading it now. wine And brew are needed!

Weaning is going well, this kid loves his food just like his big brother! We are doing baby led weaning s NAR4 said its so much easier than purees. He has toast/crumpets for breakfast, cheese sandwich for lunch, and a bit of whatever we are having for dinner. He is a bit young for it according to the HV but he's doing really well and loving everything he has grin

NAR4 Mon 12-Aug-13 17:16:32

Started giving ds solids at the weekend. He has loved it so far and has already tried carrots, strawberries, pea pods, Yorkshire pudding, toast, egg and toast.

Crawling everywhere now and sometimes with speed (usually when I have dropped something I don't want him to have). Need to get the older dcs back into the habit of shutting the stair gate again, as found him at the bottom of the stairs today after leaving him a few minutes to get dd a drink.

He has started to sit himself up now as well, but still no sign of teeth.

Camping at the end of the school holidays is certainly going to be fun!

NAR4 Mon 12-Aug-13 17:18:09

Meant to say lamb rather than toast again. Got distracted by dd part way through typing.

Want2bSupermum Wed 14-Aug-13 20:11:28

Hi everyone. Its been a while but been rather busy with everything. DS is doing well. At 4 months they put him on a diet because he was 19lbs. He was also 27" and I have already switched his clothes out for the 1yr old stuff.

DD is doing really well with accepting him. I have found it tough to give each child enough attention. DD is going through the terrible 2's so 99% of my focus seems to go in her direction. It kills me that DS goes down at 7pm.

NAR - glad to hear you are better.

NAR4 Thu 15-Aug-13 20:19:00

Wow sounds a very big boy supermum. My ds is wearing 9-12m clothes and I thought he was big. He weighs 20lb now, at 5.5m. I dream of my D's going down at 7pm. Maybe we could get our babies to swap their sleeping habits.

Want2bSupermum Thu 15-Aug-13 22:40:25

NAR - Hell no to swapping sleeping habits.

I am working 12+hr days and I am tired as once they go down I am working until midnight and then up at 5am with the babies. I have breakfast with them and play for half an hour before heading off to work. I just had my eyes done too so no more glasses. I can't hide the bags under my eyes behind glasses anymore!

DH and my FIL are 6'4" and 6"6" so I expect DS will be tall too.

HickeryDickery Mon 19-Aug-13 22:49:54

hi

I was on the anti natal thread but since NC.

I had DD after a traumatic induction ended in crash section as my labour never started, babies heart rate dropped and my health, baby was born healthy on 1st Feb.

she has been a trerrible feeder and in and out of hospital with severe projectile vomiting, poor weight gain, and pain then as she got older it was too much weight gain.

finally 6 months later she has been diagnosed with allergies one main one to cow milk protein, she's had her milk changed she is stopping vomiting unless she has food that I believe she has an allergy to as she shows signs of it, I've just got to wait until we see the consultant.

she is a giggly happy, smiley baby and loves her big sister the bond between them is amazing.

DD2 started sleeping all night when she was put in DD1's room so they share.

DD2 currently in age 12-18month clothes, she's just started rolling over, got no teeth and nowhere near crawling.

we started weaning at 4months as the drs believed she had severe reflux, we persevered for 2months when she was not even eating a spoon full. at 6months we give her green beans off my plate and she loved them.
she loves green beans, carrot sticks (got to be sticks), apples and banana and bread/toast. if we give her puree she spits it at us and cries, she does love her porridge though.

NAR4 Wed 21-Aug-13 15:16:56

Sounds like you have had a nightmare of a time so far Hickory. My eldest had terrible vomiting for about 9 months before the drs worked out he was lactose intolerant. For some reason he would never eat puree either. Even at 17 he still won't eat things of that kind of consistency eg custard, mash potato, stew, soup or any sauce or gravy. I wonder if there is a connection! Hope things start getting easier for you soon.

D's is already starting to progress from crawling to pulling himself up on the furniture and prefers crawling on his feet and hands to his knees and hands. Today he worked out he could walk, pushing his sisters little chair along for support. His bothers were all early walkers and I'm hoping he will be too. I find they are much more content once they can get around well, by themselves.

Still waking 4-5 times a night but has more naps during the day since getting mobile. No sign of any teeth.

Got the all clear from the hospital on Monday (following my downstairs repair). Can finally get on with normal life. Trying to squeeze in as much as possible with the children now, before the older ones return to school in a couple of weeks.

PeanutButter1 Thu 22-Aug-13 19:32:17

Little dude is now officially 6 months and has no teeth, can roll on his front but not back again, can't grip finger food and isn't sleeping through.

I love my little under-achiever regardless...

Want2bSupermum Fri 23-Aug-13 03:12:32

Hickory Welcome and bless you. It is tough when you have a sick child. I would push for the consultant appointment. DS had horrible spit up for the first 4 months. It is better now but not much. Here in the US they called us back for a check up and his was sent to an allergist the following day to rule out any issues. It helped to put my mind at rest more than anything else.

Other news is that I wasn't promoted in the end and I am happy I wasn't. It would have been far too much for me and I would have been terrible at my job or to be decent at it I would have to give up too much family wise.

irismom Thu 29-Aug-13 14:34:10

Hello everyone.. lONG TIME..Sorry, I always want to check how you guys are doing, but caught up with many things.
Went for 4 days holiday to Scotland at the beginning of Aug, And Ever since, DS is so hungry. I started giving him solids 2 weeks before he turned 6 months. Still on pureed stage. I am reading everywhere about BLW, but cant get my head around that, esply to give him finger foods. But WOuld like to start sooner. How do you do the carrots? not very soft? dont they shove everything into the mouth together?? Loads of qns !!!
Tried some Breakfast and cereals and DS got rashes all over his cheeks, neck. HV asked me to try Lactose Free Milk(SMA) and dint help much. Turns out he is allergic/intolerant. Due for a GP appoinment.
He is getting up At 1am (after a 10.30pm feed) and then at 3 am then 4.30am and then 6 am!! gosh, Am tired everyday!! HOw do you guys managed those good sleeping habits?
BTW can we move to FaceBook please. I think We will check that more often. I accidently joined April2013 (dc1 is in April, n got confused) and I Cant blv how well they are sharing pictures and news!!!!.. it is more personal and I am jealous sad
Please, please can we have one??

NAR4 Thu 29-Aug-13 22:03:26

peanut I don't think your DC is an underachiever. Babies all develop at massively different rates. No one cares by the time they start pre-school. Think my little one just has incentive to hurry up and get off the floor, with 4 older siblings.

iris I am very tired as my youngest 2dc are both rubbish sleepers. I have never managed to get any of my DC to be good sleepers. Facebook sounds nice but someone else would need to set it up and tell us what the page is called. I have no idea how to do anything like that.

NAR4 Thu 29-Aug-13 22:11:14

iris I cut the carrots into fingers and give raw carrots that have been in the fridge, for teething and part cooked sticks to eat. Not sure if baby led weaning works as well for bottle fed babies and can't remember which you do (sorry). Breast fed babies don't suck so they only bite and chew bits of food off. If they do get a lump to the back of their throat they have a great gage reflex that brings it back out. Just don't panicked and start trying to hook the food out. The idea is you let the baby put food in their mouth themselves and don't feed them yourself, but can't remember exactly why. Something along the lines of, if they haven't got the dexterity to pick it up and get it in their mouth, then they aren't ready to eat it. Its not for everyone and my dh finds it quite worrying and stresses they will choke. He prefers me to supervise until they get a bit older and he isn't constantly worrying they might choke any minute.

AnnMumsnet (MNHQ) Tue 03-Sep-13 11:40:23

hello ladies - sorry to butt in but I am looking for MNers to take part in an online group next week about weaning.
I'm specifically looking for first time parents with a baby aged 4-10 mnths who are starting to think about or wean onto solid food.
There's a prize draw for taking part. I can send you full details if you PM me smile
thanks very much......

irismom Tue 03-Sep-13 17:58:23

Nar4 that says it.
I tried with cooked carrots and the moment he grabs and half way to his mouth, it got squished and falling out of his hands. He was so frustrated and was angrily talking to carr0ts yest smile
he like to eat things like lentils and today i tried butternut squash, i put it in my hands and he tried to put in his mouth, i helped too. pureeing it is not that FUN for him. he eats. I think I will have to find more about finger foods. Off to google it smile

irismom Tue 03-Sep-13 18:04:20

* Attention Ladies*

Anyone interested in making this a FB group. It is so quite in here, and i sometimes think, we are not getting in touch as we were doing i-n the early dayz. FB may help, as everyone has got that on phone now, and is easier.
Let me know your thoughts.. Otherwise please come everyday here, to make this more active ( just kidding ..)

Back to the FB, group, I think we need a few members as friends to start with(to create a group, need members), so please feel free to send request, to -DEEPA THOMAS, Ascot, UK- will take it from there. please mention Mumsnet, when you do so, just for me to know

Thank you all

irismom Thu 05-Sep-13 12:50:12

* FB group - Mumsnet Feb2013-- Please join in and lets meet and chat there.. *
Thank you

irismom Thu 05-Sep-13 12:51:10

mumsnet Feb2013

NAR4 Tue 10-Sep-13 12:38:40

Sorry but I can't find the Facebook group. Can someone kindly give me dummy proof instructions. I'm useless at these things.

irismom Wed 11-Sep-13 19:30:57

https://www.facebook.com/groups/559251284122541/

irismom Wed 11-Sep-13 19:40:43

NAR4 go to the link above and in the right hand corner, there will be a place to join. I just created that Group and there is only person joined. And haven't started talking there yet, waiting for others to join.

NAR4 Fri 13-Sep-13 15:45:02

Thanks iris. I will need to do it from my computer when I have time. I normally chat on my tablet while breastfeeding, but can't cut and paste on that.

Aldan Wed 18-Sep-13 19:42:48

Hi
I can't access the fb group from that link???

NAR4 Fri 20-Sep-13 20:53:51

Its not just me then.

Aldan Sun 22-Sep-13 21:38:13

No grin

CackleALot Wed 25-Sep-13 21:26:27

Hi all, just popped in... irismom I've sent you a pm for fb group smile

Still having a nightmare with DD not sleeping through, she won't sleep in her cot & is up 6/7 times a night, its draining sad

I'm supposed to be back at work too but dp was involved in an off road buggy accident 4 weeks ago where he nearly lost his arm, he's been in Hosp for 3 weeks and home now, getting skin grafts & metal work to build his arm. thankfully they say he'll get most of his movement back in his hand but he has no elbow left.

its all a bit overwhelming worrying about him, looking after 2 kids, worrying about work, how to get kids to childcare & need to settle dd in to nursery still! we're having to stay with DPs family too as his hospital treatment isn't near home! feels like my head is going to explode smile

oops sorry for rant!!blush

NAR4 Mon 30-Sep-13 21:31:28

cackle you sound like you are having a terrible time, I'm not surprised your head feels like its going to explode. Hope your dp makes a good recovery. What a terrible accident.

Its not just your dd who doesn't sleep well. I'm having a terrible time with my ds at the moment. He is feeding for half hour then sleeping Hale hour, all night. My 2yr old did sill gets up several times a night as well.

NAR4 Mon 30-Sep-13 21:33:54

Would still be interested in the Facebook page if someone knows how to put a link on here so I can find it.

Countmyblessings Tue 01-Oct-13 08:34:42

Hi I'm also interested in the FB group!
Is it a separate group from your own personal FB?

CackleALot Thu 03-Oct-13 22:21:09

Hey Nar no sleep is terrible isn't it! we ended up with the 4 of us plus a broken arm in the bed this morning! grin

On a plus note GP recognised how stressed out I am so signed me off work for 3 weeks which takes pressure off a bit.

How's your recovery nar ?

NAR4 Fri 18-Oct-13 20:18:31

All recovered from op now thanks.

Both my little ones are still dreadfully sleepers so I have now pursuaded dh to invest in a 7' wide bed so we can all co sleep in comfort. Unfortunately it takes up to 6 wks for delivery.

Who has the broken arm Cackle?

irismom Wed 30-Oct-13 16:42:53

Sorry, I was not coming back to this page, dint see the questions about FB page. I have created an FB page called "Mumsnet Feb2013" . You can either search for that page and join or please send a friend request to Deepa Thomas. please include your username, so that I can recognize you. Would love to have you all there on Fb, so that we can share what our LOs are upto/rant/cry /share pics or what not!!

NAR4 Fri 01-Nov-13 16:20:47

When I search for that page it still comes back with 0 results. 100s of Deep a Thomas's though but haven't found one for Ascot UK. Tried the link but it didn't work either. Would join the Facebook page but can't find it, sorry.

NAR4 Fri 01-Nov-13 16:22:25

When I search for that page it still comes back with 0 results. 100s of Deep a Thomas's though but haven't found one for Ascot UK. Tried the link but it didn't work either. Would join the Facebook page but can't find it, sorry.

NAR4 Fri 01-Nov-13 16:24:10

When I search for that page it still comes back with 0 results. 100s of Deep a Thomas's though but haven't found one for Ascot UK. Tried the link but it didn't work either. Would join the Facebook page but can't find it, sorry.

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