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November 2012 - More group hugs and moral support please

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StuntNun Fri 08-Feb-13 23:19:17
PetiteRaleuse Fri 08-Feb-13 23:35:20

Marking place smile

kirrinIsland Fri 08-Feb-13 23:47:17

Marking place

ChunkyChicken Fri 08-Feb-13 23:59:14

Me too. Too tired to be witty...

PurplePidjin Sat 09-Feb-13 00:57:09

brew <yawn>

rowingdowntheriver Sat 09-Feb-13 04:52:15

Marking place!

fruitpastilles Sat 09-Feb-13 05:15:51

Typical, I'm wide awake and S is still fast asleep sad

MadamGazelleIsMyMum Sat 09-Feb-13 06:20:29


Catbag Sat 09-Feb-13 07:02:08

Now then <<massive yawn>>

zcos Sat 09-Feb-13 07:51:38

I'm confused why to people mark place when you can watch and thread has only just started!

Pikz Sat 09-Feb-13 07:54:48

Morning cockers...

PetiteRaleuse Sat 09-Feb-13 07:58:11

So it goes into your threads I'm on zcos so you don't have to look for it when the old trhead runs out.

Tat's why I do it anyway.

PetiteRaleuse Sat 09-Feb-13 07:58:53

I don't use the watching thing. It's just another place for stuff to hide smile

ChunkyChicken Sat 09-Feb-13 08:09:07

Ditto PR - zcos it means on my fone I just click I'm on & can catch up. I don't tend to do much 'watching' or surfing of active threads unless its the wee small hrs...

Elizadoesdolittle Sat 09-Feb-13 08:50:37

Same here, goes into threads I'm on. Don't use watching etc on phone.

StuntNun Sat 09-Feb-13 08:51:03

I'm curious as to how many of us are still exclusively breastfeeding. We're still going strong despite the occasional temptation, usually in the wee small hours during a growth spurt. I'm not sure when I will introduce formula, it was as four months with DS1 and DS2 as that's when I started weaning, although DS2 was very resistant to the bottle. If we're supposed to start weaning at six months now then I don't know when would be the best time ignores DM trying to feed banana to my 12-week-old baby.

ChunkyChicken Sat 09-Feb-13 09:02:48

I'm still ebf although have a single carton of c&g on standby if/when the expressed feeds aren't enough if I've left him.

Going out today & leaving 1 full feed of frozen ebm and whatever I can express when feeding him next, so if that's not enough, the carton is there. I'd rather he had formula than scream until I got home.

I didn't introduce formula properly for DD until I had to stop feeding at 9mths. Luckily she was a any-milk-any-bottle type of girl, otherwise stopping feeding one night & being on the bottle permanently the next would have been really hard.

I have no plans to go to formula tbh. I'll keep going, all being well, until he can be weaned onto cows milk.

PurplePidjin Sat 09-Feb-13 09:18:16

I am, Stunt, but then I've had a pretty easy time of it in that respect. I'm aiming for 6 months, possibly a year if i don't have to get a job...

.... another new thread?! How many is that now? Our babies are only aprox 12 weeks old grin

I'm feeling a little better this morning, I tend to go down during the day though so we shall see how I am this afternoon.

Another through night for J, although I'm expecting the 4 month regression so I'm enjoying the 10-6 nights we're currently getting.

I'm not sure it is PND that I have, I have always been a worry wart and it just seem to be exaggerated at the moment. My current biggest thing is DP going back to work, I can handle the work and him not being here but the hours he will be working and the distance will mean him being gone from about 5am until 8-9pm everyday, he's going to miss J growing up and I'm going to suddenly be fully responsible for 3 kids without any help. Its really quite upsetting me but unfortunately that's life, he needs to go where the work is.

J had a great time in the duck bath (as you saw) he loves and bath and he does have a swanky Fisher Price aqua center one but I saw the duck one and it was only a tenner so we thought it would be a laugh.

I think we're attempting the cinema today if they let J in, I'm not sure what the policy is at cinema for babes in arms.

I'm still ebfing, mainly because I'm lazy and it's easier for me to just whop a boob out for him than faff with bottles, he doesn't feed often and I'm not hurting anymore.

They say 6 months but the baby rice and porridge in the supermarkets etc are from 4 months, how confusing is that for parents?!

I was saying to DP though that I have a habit of 'sharing' food when feeding babies so when we start to wean I'm probably going to use breast milk for main feeds then make up and food requiring milk with formula because I don't fancy a mouthful of something made up with my own produce!

ChunkyChicken Sat 09-Feb-13 09:37:02

It is indeed confusing Tits because the government make the recommendations on (reasonably) recent studies etc but companies are out to make money. I wasn't able to express much with DD so I used formula at first but they do say you can use cows milk in cooking.

Well I can't imagine weaning before 6 months (lazy thing that I am!) all the time he's content on the boob I'll leave it at that. smile

TooManyDicksOnTheDancefloor Sat 09-Feb-13 10:15:27

Still EBF here too stunt, I fed dd1 until she was 8 months. I found she was physically too big to feed comfortably by then and she was only having two milk feeds a day, morning and before bed. It was just easier to switch to formula. I weaned dd1 on to food at 6 months, she took to it really easily at that age and was on three meals a day by 7 months, dropping her day milk feeds.

Brockle Sat 09-Feb-13 10:19:34

Still Ebf and will until I start back ay work when he's 8 months. Then he will just have formula when I am out at work well that is the plan smile

will take his lead on the weaning front. DS2 was five months when I started weaning so we shall see.

StuntNun Sat 09-Feb-13 10:51:05

This is the 14th post-natal thread Tits although they have been going since the 4th October after the first few babies had arrived. We're actually much chattier post-natally; there were 24 ante-natal threads running from 22nd February to 12 December when Clarella's baby arrived. That last ante-natal thread only had 49 messages though should we send Pass over to finish it?

wellieboots Sat 09-Feb-13 11:02:01

Marking place!

Oh I've just read the last thread .... Chinese new year? I'm a Rabbit smile

I'm still exclusively breast feeding, but also think I've had an easier time of it than a lot of the mums here. A hoping to keep going until babylaughalot is 12 months much to MIL's horror

MadamGazelleIsMyMum Sat 09-Feb-13 12:23:56

I did my final breastfeed last week, but had been mixed feeding from about week 4. Took DS some time to entertain the idea of a bottle, but last week he decided he preferred it, so we're now completely onto formula.

Hello new thread...

I have banged on about it enough but we ebf till exactly 11 wks when we started the top ups so he now has three post-bf formula bottles and one expressed one per day. Was hoping to return to ebf once L has gained more weight but will see how it goes. Aside from the weight gain issue, I have loved bf and have been lucky to have avoided mastitis/thrush/other issues.

BigPigLittlePig Sat 09-Feb-13 13:20:24

Oh for goodness sake, I'd only just got used to the last thread!

Awful evening yesterday, screams and wails until gone 11, fussy feeding, squelchy hiccups, the works. In the end I gave her some calpol as she felt v hot and within 20 mins she was sound, and slept through til 6.30! A record! Much happier today thank goodness.

I'm still ebf, but having read catbags comment about wrapping the towel around yourself after a shower, I'm fairly sure I've got thrush sad. Feeding was fine until a few days ago, although it has been sore on the right for a few weeks. It's now agonising on both sides, and there are splits on the right and impending on the left but trying to ignore that You can buy daktarin though can't you? Is it the oral gel? If I can get through this hurdle thereby ticking off yet another breastfeeding complication, thanks then I will carry on until...who knows! Can't imagine giving up yet, even though it nearly reduces me to tears at the mo martyr??

MadamGazelleIsMyMum Sat 09-Feb-13 13:24:51

tits let us know about the cinema, am interested.

bigpig ouch.

Thechick Sat 09-Feb-13 13:36:36

stunt I'm still ebfing. Going to feed until one year at least. Going to work when H is 11 months so planning on expressing for one month whilst at work, if need be, as he would be on solids and then seeing how we go. I love breastfeeding. I'd be really sad if he wanted to stop any time soon.

Kyzordz Sat 09-Feb-13 13:42:39

Marking place smile

I only managed to give expressed bm for eight days, I just couldn't keep up with him, he's been on formula since. I try not to think about weaning as he's only 3.5 months and I need to have a look at how to go about it! I think DM is keen for me to give him baby rice soon but I have reservations about it with him being so young. We were weaned from 6-8 weeks but I'm so far avoiding the weaning conversation. To be fair she isn't pushing it yet

BigPigLittlePig Sat 09-Feb-13 13:59:34

I know it's been talked about before, but if I put daktarin on my boobs, do I have to wash it off before feeding?

ValiumQueen Sat 09-Feb-13 14:15:43

Still EBF here - just had one bottle formula to see if he takes a bottle. Gonna give him another today and tomorrow to see if it helps and to keep his hand in with the bottles. Then I can tell the HV I have tried. He is napping better today, but still only 45 mins, but in the cot. I am doing well with cutting out caffeine. I am giving thought to cutting out dairy but will speak with HV about it.

stunt yes, the young lady who slept on the back doorstep went in the kennel for one night as it was raining, and her mum found out and she got a severe beating. She was about 8 at the time and still does not understand why. There are some dreadful parents out there.

ValiumQueen Sat 09-Feb-13 14:17:24

I would like to bf until he self weans, but part of me wishes he would self wean today. I fed DD1 for 8 months and DD2 18 months.

BigPigLittlePig Sat 09-Feb-13 14:24:25

VQ the no-caffeine rule is a killer. Pre-pregnancy, I was a total coffee addict. We have a lovely espresso/cappuccino maker. Within weeks of being up the duff, had gone right off coffee, to the point of it making me want to vom. Fast forward 8 months, I was v much looking forward to resuming coffee drinking but alas, no! A few cups to tempt my tastebuds, and bring on hideous reflux for LO.

Some mornings I would commit crimes for proper strong coffee sad

Evilwater Sat 09-Feb-13 14:31:22

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TheDetective Sat 09-Feb-13 15:12:40

Can't connect to any Internet.

I want to cry!

ValiumQueen Sat 09-Feb-13 15:30:02

Thank you evil

TheDetective Sat 09-Feb-13 15:43:54

Screw you Virgin and your crappy service. On hold to disconnections department. Grrrrrrrrrrrr. Crying baby, that'll be fun for the poor person who has to convince this raging mad woman to stay with them. Jog on.

BigPigLittlePig Sat 09-Feb-13 16:24:23

Daktarin purchased. DH all too keen to point out I should have gone to the gp yesterday like he said instead of having to pay for it. Nothing less helpful than somebody saying I told you so angry

Dsd deposited at hideous indoor play centre for a birthday party so the nursery is finally being painted whilst I sit with a hot chocolate and feed LO stick shards of glass in my nipples

PetiteRaleuse Sat 09-Feb-13 16:28:13

I noticed a thread in active conversations today about how crap Virgin is. Didn't open it but I think a couple of you in this group have been complaining about them recently...

bigpig I was told you don't need to washer off.

I'm still EBF. She won't take a bottle of expressed so far. Hoping to BF until she weans and then maybe mix feed?

Catbag Sat 09-Feb-13 16:33:16

Still ebf here. Saul does a little excited wiggle and joy face when he sees the boob. River is far more business-like about the whole thing. They will also take ebm from a bottle, which is good otherwise I would never set foot in my uni again.

TheDetective Sat 09-Feb-13 16:34:05

Me and Oscar are now watching The Lion King.

DP and DS1 gone to cinema to watch Wreck It Ralph. Feeling left out, but don't want to take a poorly baby out unnecessarily, and not to the cinema where I can't effectively snot remove!

Oh, he's stopped crying at snot sucker now, as he has realised it makes him feel better. I hope anyway! Either way, no more tears and tantrums! Phew!

Talking of watching films, what are you doing about TV for your babies? I've been (?!)guilty of sticking cbeebies on for Oscar, more so he has some noise around him as I am out the room in the kitchen or whatever. But, he is obsessed by the shiny sparkly things that come out of it! D'oh! I can't keep him away from it, because DS1 monopolises it with Disney Channel/Comedy Central/Sky One or xbox games which I friggin' hate but his Dad bought them for him grrr.

I think i'll just go with the flow. I'm not a telly addict, I don't watch much, prefer a film. DP the same really. DS has a TV in his room, but no channels, just for DVD's. I might get him it in his room, so he can watch what I don't want Oscar watching? Not sure. What do others do with kids of multiple ages wanting to watch different stuff?

I'd not really given much thought to it til I saw Oscar staring at some violent xbox game that has appeared in my house...

In other news, he loved my rendition of 'I just can't wait to be kiiiiiiiiiiiiing'. grin

TheDetective Sat 09-Feb-13 16:36:27

Will go check it out PR and maybe add my rant! Hah!

I am now disconnected. I have 30 days to find a new package. Decisions decisions!

Cinema was great if you ignore other people's unruly kids and the child/vomit fountain at the front they didn't bat an eyelid about J sitting in and I just fed him until he dropped off then he watched in awe for the last half hour. smile
They don't have changing stations though so take a mat, luckily we had a travel one with us.
Film was excellent, I really recommend it, wreck it Ralph really good job from Disney.

Oh and I guilty of J falling asleep I his chair to tv, only ever grown up programmes though, in fact I think he thinks Frasier is his dad, he cries when it finishes blush

PetiteRaleuse Sat 09-Feb-13 16:40:09

The TV is often on here as I like background noise. DD1 pretty much ignores it. LO squirms to try and be able to watch it. I'm not anti or pro TV as far as children are concerned as long as they don't sit glued to it for hours on end at the expense of doing more interesting things like sport and imaginative play and reading. CBeebies is brilliant and the main reason that I got UK TV set up here as French children's TV is dire.

Kyzordz Sat 09-Feb-13 16:50:11

E is a tv addict, I hadn't really sat him to watch it at all but he noticed it anyway so now he has cbeebies on for 20 mins in a morning so I can get dressed. It's always on for background noise and he often watches it but if he's playing I'll turn it off. I'm thinking it's not like he's an older child constantly glued to it, he's a baby and as far as he's concerned it's colourful and noisy so he likes it. I usually have normal stuff on but I do put cartoons on for him sometimes like when I really want a hot meal for once

Elizadoesdolittle Sat 09-Feb-13 16:56:18

I'm still ebf. Mainly due to the fact E won't take a bottle otherwise I would probably be mix feeding by now, it at least giving one bottle of formula before bed. I have stopped expressing for a little while. Was getting all a bit much. Luckily I haven't had any troubles bf otherwise god knows what I'd have done. Hats off to those of you that have struggled and persisted.

ValiumQueen Sat 09-Feb-13 16:58:01

J enjoys Peppa Pig, Jesse, or Downton Abbey with equal measure. It is all about lights and movement and noise at this age. TV can be useful especially when you have more than one, or need a few minutes to do something. The only time J is say facing the TV though is when I put the girls to bed. It will hold him for a few minutes.

StuntNun Sat 09-Feb-13 17:13:22

Chick you'll only be breastfeeding two or three times a day at 11-12 months so it would be easy to keep feeding morning and evening. You might not need formula at all as she can have cow's milk while you're at work from 12 months.

J has had a bath so his head is temporarily free from scaly cradle cap. I hope he decides to go to bed before 11 today. Last night he stayed up watching Dredd with DH and I. He also watched a bit of the Following today while DS1 and DS2 were at Wreck-It Ralph with the next-door neighbour. He's going to like scary movies at this rate. I don't think I could stand another baby's worth of Dora the Explorer but quite pleased to see there's a new series of Octonauts on CBeebies especially as DS2 already has the toys.

L noticed the tv when the Australian Open was on and since then he is transfixed when he sees it. I don't put kids tv on but he has been subjected to some crappy daytime viewing.

I think as long as it's part of a balanced diet of tv/books/games etc it doesn't do any harm. Most of my friends' kids love screens of any kind but are pretty well rounded. Not in a physical sense.

TheDetective Sat 09-Feb-13 17:24:33

LOL @ pretty well rounded grin.

Seems we are all along the same lines then!

I did however turn Oscar away and distract him at the sad bits that make me cry in the lion king. He's too young for that yet grin.

Am jealous that I'm stuck home now, with everyone else getting to watch Wreck It Ralph. Damn it! I'll go on my own!

Brockle Sat 09-Feb-13 17:48:28

Y likes watching football sad We have cbeebies on after the boys are dressed in the morning and Y seems to like octonauts, chuggington and bob the builder.

got out the 3 - 6 clothes. He has loads! so now surfing eBay for summer 6 - 9 clothes to cover the barren SMP months

BigPigLittlePig Sat 09-Feb-13 17:52:15

Dsd has returned from her party singing "come and join the conker, oo oo ooooh" hmm - a seasonal version perhaps??

BigPigLittlePig Sat 09-Feb-13 17:53:05

Oh and we watch Mary Poppins here, finally sky plussed it over Christmas - guaranteed to send me to sleep even though it's one of my favourite ever films

PetiteRaleuse Sat 09-Feb-13 17:56:41

They grow slower from about four months so clothes last longer brockle

Stunt DH and I have been watching the Following. BRILLIANT isn't it?!

PetiteRaleuse Sat 09-Feb-13 17:57:34

I have to buy Annie, Mary Poppins and the Sound of Music for the DDs. I am a big musical fan and they are good to start the brainwashing with grin

Dottie has one bottle of formula a day either at bedtime with me or with the childminder, as I go to full time uni that will increase but I will still bf her when we are together - I always thought I'd be happy to wean and stop bf at 6 mths but that's not long and even if it's only bedtime feed I'd like to carry on as long as she does.

Tv - we have virgin boxes in all rooms -ds likes football and sport so has it for that, dd1 likes sponge bob, Disney etc... Which I hate so she has an hour in her room each evening and we got it in bedroom so I can watch crap while feeding or come up here and sulk if dh is being a knob without missing Enders!!!

Popped to town today with dh to try and clear bad headache - twunts at natwest have blocked his card and account for no apparent reason except we were in Manchester at the weekend -knobs - I hate natwest with a passion!!!!

Headache still here so had a snooze in bed while Dottie napped in car seat until divvy dh brought her up in cars eat and banged it in doorway -knob!!!!

I'm attempting to start reading again!!!

TheDetective Sat 09-Feb-13 18:12:17

I'd forgotten this quote from Lion King 'before sunrise, he's your son'. Will try that one tomorrow morning wink.

And, 'they call me Mr Pig'... teehehehe!

Brockle Sat 09-Feb-13 18:13:37

that is what I am hoping PR although that wasn't the case with DS2 smile I could do with him staying in 3 - 6 until august!

StuntNun Sat 09-Feb-13 18:21:29

The Following is compelling viewing PR but not quite gory enough for my taste (Walking Dead, True Blood, etc.) Do you think the FBI woman in charge of the investigation is in on it or is that too obvious? Elementary has started again which is pretty good but I'll have to get my assigned West Wing episodes watched first!

We love The Following here. smile

ValiumQueen Sat 09-Feb-13 18:50:28

No Following spoilers please. I have yet to see this weeks episode. It is fab. I find walking dead just too gory, although I heart Dexter!

PetiteRaleuse Sat 09-Feb-13 18:53:13

Nah I think she's a goodie. It would be far too obvious and I would be disappointed if she is a follower. I have yet to finish the wire. Next up is West Wing. The latest Dexter is being trailed so looking fwd to that. Is it so very wrong that he is my secret crush?

LO having v bad evening. Lots of tears. Not eaten much. Other than a bit of a runny nose and rare coughs, no symptoms. Just gave her an hour nappy free time. Both my daughters have pissed on me today. Being a mum is so glamourous. <peers at unplucked eyebrows in reflection of wineglass>

yep. Yummy mummies need not fear competition from moi.

PetiteRaleuse Sat 09-Feb-13 18:54:17

Ooh I hope that wasn't a spoiler, but I think if you saw the 2nd episode you'd be ok on that.

PurplePidjin Sat 09-Feb-13 19:04:26


StuntNun Sat 09-Feb-13 19:13:30

Not a spoiler VQ it was episode 2 where she seemed to have a bit of a moment when she handed over the Poe book to Joe Carroll.

BigPigLittlePig Sat 09-Feb-13 19:17:02

Glamour = being weed on pre-bath. Post-bath being fed, I hear a gurgle, smell a terrible eggy smell and see an accompanying poonami escaping from her nappy. Luckily for her she paused in her feeding to beam at me! \

This is not how I used to spend my Saturday nights hmm

Pikz Sat 09-Feb-13 19:23:57

Had a lovely day with friends and a LO a year and a day older than L. A little view into the future!

Then I went and bought formula... I felt a sense of relief. Today I've just expressed what I could when I could without pressure. I feel like a different person. Am so determined to enjoy him and my little family now. I am so pleased with what I have managed and I've got to 3 months. That's a good enough start for me.

Also managed to change all the boxes of size 2 nappies I bought never believing my tiny 7lb baby would be 15lb at 11 weeks!

MissMummy1 Sat 09-Feb-13 19:33:44

Place marking 4 pages in!

Pass yes primary. Preferance in upper stages. In all honesty the damage is usually already done by then too. From.experience on placements, early and poss first level are the crucial years. Hopefully CfE will iron out some flaws <sniggers and raises eyebrow>

It may well have been Mr Rankin's do although doubt it. He is a very quiet soul, I couldn't even tell you exactly which house is his. One of the posh ones anyway smile . (I'm sure you know which car he drives!!! wink )

DP's best friend's mum died yesterday. I never met her but she was like a second mother when he was growing up apparently. Think we will need to fly over for a funeral one day next week sad . I am tempted with staying an extra few days with M so to give us some space when he goes back to work. He has no idea how much he has upset me and as far as he is concerned nothing happened angry

MissMummy1 Sat 09-Feb-13 19:38:40

We are still EBF

Pikz Firstly, I'm glad you're feeling better, 12 weeks = amazing! Well done smile

As for nappies, we had to give our local children/family charity 5 unopened boxes of Pampers in size 2 in the week, luckily FIL has a nappy subscription on the go for us so we didn't lose any money and we'll just get a bigger size delivered. To be fair the charity have been a rock for me and my family since DS1 was diagnosed at 2 1/2 so I'm glad they will pass them on to another family who can use them who may be struggling. Size 3 here now, the 2s just couldn't hold in the erm.. numbers 2s! grin

In other entirely dull news, J is asleep and I need to do dishes and laundry <cba alert>

TheDetective Sat 09-Feb-13 19:57:08

Thumb fist if possible! sucking has commenced in earnest. This appears to be reason for eating his hands this last week. hmm

So the dummy ain't good enough is it?! hmm

Stinky poo with chunks in - result of cold? Yes?

PetiteRaleuse Sat 09-Feb-13 20:06:32

Could be Detective LO has funny poos when bunged up - mucous - including today. Nothing to worry about smile

BigPigLittlePig Sat 09-Feb-13 20:15:46

<whispers very quietly> both children are in bed.
Don't know what to do probably fall asleep on the sofa

Thechick Sat 09-Feb-13 20:21:07

Thanks Stunt. He's such a boob monster, I can't imagine a time that he only feeds a couple of times a day, lol!!
I have a little one who has a cold and hasn't done a poo since Wed. Called nhs direct and they said not to worry until Monday!!!

Passmethecrisps Sat 09-Feb-13 20:28:23

Evenin all!

We went to a friend's for lunch today. P beamed and giggled and enjoyed cuddles. Did a nice poo then slept the rest of the visit. Awesome. She is asleep again now possibly dreaming of kittens and soy milk.

Hi-5 to all you exclusive boobers. I salute you and your magnificent norks - job well done ladies.

MM I agree about early stages. Part of my job means I read the Personal Pupil Report which follows every child through from nursery. I read every single thing right to their nursery enrolment. It is a massive eye opener. It is a sad thing to be able to look back and see that the chil who didn't know shapes or colours at nursery never caught up. Made me think of VQ's story about the child on the step. I have been known to have to sit with hankies while reading.

PetiteRaleuse Sat 09-Feb-13 20:28:45

I don't want to scare anyone but my ff DD1 is almost 2. She won't drink cow's milk, actually spits it out. Has 500ml of ff a day even now. On top of cheese, yoghurtsand any other which way I can get milk into her. It's bloody expensive

Passmethecrisps Sat 09-Feb-13 20:33:21

And telly! Personally, I like the telly on in the morning until I come too a bit. P is fascinated by the movement, shapes and colours. I don't sit her directly in front of it but sideways meaning she has to turn a bit to see it. At 5:30 she and I sit down - her in bouncer and me on the floor next to her - and we watch pointless together. I have a cup of tea and some toast and she watches me eat it. Then we hold hands and she chats. It is a nice chilled thing to do before bath and bed hour.

Passmethecrisps Sat 09-Feb-13 20:36:08

Wonder why she doesn't like it PR? Maybe she doesn't like the taste? I am not a fan of moo milk myself actually. We used to get our milk straight from the dairy out of the chillers. I used to get sent to get it as my wee arms couldn't reach in very far so I would scoop up essentially pure cream. Pretty rich on the old cornflakes

Passmethecrisps Sat 09-Feb-13 20:38:20

stunt I think sending me off to finish the ante-natal thread is a great idea! I can spraff all my shite over there and you guys only need to read it if you have nothing better to do.

YellowWellies Sat 09-Feb-13 20:41:18

We're still EBF and despite previous skirmishes with thrush and ongoing diet restrictions - still loving it. We plan on continuing until we TTC baby number 2 when Jonas is one - fingers crossed if I fall quickly we can have a summer baby. Due to family issues with premature birth tandem feeding is too risky for my liking.

If we weren't planning on TTC I'd happily follow WHO guidance and keep going until he's two - but ask me again when he has teeth!!! shock

Thankfully I don't think our recent uptick in reflux is due to pork but rather a bag of salted cashew nuts that contained milk powder. A bag of fecking nuts!!!! Am sick of label checking!!!!

Went out for lunch today in St Andrew's stressed the need to avoid dairy and was presented with a sharing platter with big slabs of butter on it - grazing on everything. Thought St Andrew's students were meant to be bright angry sodding waitress. Counting down to reflux hell and reminding myself why I'll not be going out for dinner again any time soon sad

YellowWellies Sat 09-Feb-13 20:44:36

Awww pass hankies! You sweetie! smile

Evilwater Sat 09-Feb-13 20:59:01

Well another thread!
My Chinese meal went ok. Somehow. I put to much lime juice in the sauce, grr, but apart from that it was very nice.

DP could only manage about just under an hour of N, how he is going to look after him when I go back to work I don't know? I'm glad I'm looking into nurseries.


Pikz Sat 09-Feb-13 21:20:27

Pass your tv watching creates lovely mental pictures

ValiumQueen Sat 09-Feb-13 21:29:56

Mmmmm.... the things I would do to Dexter Morgan given half a chance ....

horseylady Sat 09-Feb-13 21:33:08

No exclusive boob ever here sad sad really sad I'm a hound not a horse. Though I'm a jan birthday so maybe I'm not a hound? I never understood it.

Burnt myself really badly today. Look like I've got some mega disease. It's not. It's just a mega splattered burn. I'll look fab at the christening tomorrow....

Cacacaz Sat 09-Feb-13 21:39:24

We are still ebf too, M has a bottle of expressed milk every day. I have a freezer full of milk and its got to the point I'm having to chuck some away. I have contacted the milk bank at Yorkhill to find out if they can take some of it off my hands. I'm hoping to feed as long as possible.

PR I don't drink milk and haven't since I was about the same age as your dd. I have to eat readybrek for breakfast as it contains calcium, would your dd eat it?

M is transfixed with the tv especially Friends as Dh constantly watches the comedy channel, oh and sky sports!

Evilwater Sat 09-Feb-13 21:40:59

I'm a rat in the Chinese calendar.
N is 4 months now and is only having four bottles a day. Each bottle he is having roughly 5-6 oz. Is this enough? confused
I'm worried as his forntenell is pulsing when he crying. He still has wet nappies and is still pooing.


ValiumQueen Sat 09-Feb-13 21:41:22

evil sorry to hear about the burn. Hope you heal quickly. You will look fab tomorrow as will little E. I so love his name. Often wish I had been brave enough to use it.

Not sure what J is doing tonight. Eating enough to sink a battleship. I chickened out of giving formula. I am fearful it will make things worse.

Evilwater Sat 09-Feb-13 21:42:41

Oh and N loves the TV too, He loves pretty much anything, but the brighter the better.

Evilwater Sat 09-Feb-13 21:43:51

VQ did you mean horsey?


Dixiebell Sat 09-Feb-13 21:44:24

Exclusive BF here. Fed ds1 until 14 months when he just wasn't interested any more. By that point he was down to one a day in the morning anyway, so never needed to express when I went back to work. DH gave Teddy a bottle (of EBM) today. Gonna keep giving once a week or so as not making the same mistake as last time with bottle refusal. Was bridesmaid for my sister when ds1 was about 5 months; spent a lot of the time in the bridal suite feeding him as ge wouldnt take a bottle and the bridesmaid dress, unsurprisingly, was not designed with easy access to boobs hmm. Had to unzip whole side of it or lift it up exposing my knickers to bf, and that wouldn't have been a pretty sight in the wedding photos.

zcos Sat 09-Feb-13 21:56:23

not feeling good at the mo had a fab few days perhaps too much away from dd... and now tonight I feel sad and useless and alone ...my sister is staying in the next room but dh is an hour away out on the town ... with my blessing but dd def seems to have a cold green poop and see through vomit... wish dh would at least text. dd seems uncomfortable feeding ...wind I think!

zcos Sat 09-Feb-13 21:59:14

sorry posted that without reading as dd crying v bad looks like I'm feeling v sorry for myself.

DS loves any tv but he is completely mesmerised by the Zingzillas I think it's called? Baby tv is often on in our house too.

ValiumQueen Sat 09-Feb-13 22:10:49

Yes I am getting my evils and horseys mixed up. Must be my age.

zcos do not apologise for feeling sorry for yourself. I feel very sorry for myself at the moment. Proper pity! Talking it through on here helps so let rip. Share how you are feeling x it is ok to acknowledge it is not all roses.

DS appears to be asleep. Hoping for 3 hours. Dreaming of 8 hours. No doubt see you guys later x

ChunkyChicken Sat 09-Feb-13 22:13:09

I have baby Einstein dvds that I bought for DD but A mainly watches cBeebies as that is DD's preferred viewing...

Have lost my right contact lense from my eye. Not sure if I rubbed it out or pushed it round shock

DD wasn't fussed about whether it was bm/formula/moo milk, as long as it was warm. DS has happily taken 2 bottles of defrosted ebm today so fingers crossed he keeps that up have enough to feed a family of 4 in the freezer!! and managed to express enough to replace what I got from the freezer.

Both dc in bed and we're going to fall asleep watch a dvd which is definitely not a dodgy version of skyfall obviously

BigPigLittlePig Sat 09-Feb-13 22:24:01

Little pig last fed at 7. Still sound asleep - to wake or not to wake, that is the question.

Zcos join the self-pitying club, we've all had a good emotional outpouring lately on here, and vq is right, it does help.

zcos Sat 09-Feb-13 22:32:25

thanks vq and pig

PetiteRaleuse Sat 09-Feb-13 22:36:21

cacacaz me neither, my milk phobia started well before I was 2. I left a cup of milk on a radiator. That ended badly. Haven't drunk it since. And hate dealing even with formula. And that impacted breastfeeding too. Ugh. I hate milk. Ugh. Ok with cheese and yohgurt though, as long as it doesn't taste like rancid milk. Which is ironic, because cheese is rancid milk. Ok. Not going to eat cheese for a good few days til I get tat image out of my mind.

I cringe even when I have to wipe up spilt milk. That is why bf was hard. Showering andnwatching that stuff drip, from me, was too much.

BigPigLittlePig Sat 09-Feb-13 22:40:05

I'm another milk-hater. Distinctly remember "world war 2 day" at primary school, complete with a polystyrene cup of milk which we were pretty much forced to drink. Nothing before or since has been harder to eat/drink. Warm milk. Polystyrene cup. Gross but not as gross as having orange squash from the SAME CUP later in the day

TheDetective Sat 09-Feb-13 22:41:15

Just doing the bedtime feed. Wonder what is in store for us tonight?!

I feel ill. Dp made dinner and I didn't like it shock. Very greasy and it's turned my stomach!

I'm still hungry and I want pancakes. We have no eggs. Gah!

Think I'll just have an early night. Well. Early for me.

TheDetective Sat 09-Feb-13 22:44:19

I'm another who doesn't drink milk. It tastes weird to me. I'll cook happily with it. But not have it as a drink. Nope.

Don't like cereal because I don't like milk and what it does to the cereal!

Also don't like butter/marge on sandwiches.

TooManyDicksOnTheDancefloor Sat 09-Feb-13 22:48:57

I have the wake or not wake debate every evening bplp, I've started leaving her and she's been going through until 4-5am, so doing 9-10 hours.

I'm full of cold, LO doesn't seem to have caught it thank goodness.

katkit1 Sat 09-Feb-13 22:50:09

Ouch horsey, I burned myself too, on wed night. Passed my pinkie over the spout of the kettle. - why?! Steamed my skin off. It's developed it's own little protection now in the form of a giant blister - ouch!

PetiteRaleuse Sat 09-Feb-13 22:57:34

I'll cook with it if I'm making yorkshires, or pancakes, coz there's no choice. But sauces? Things like mac'n'cheese? Creme fraiche. Yum.

I don't think I've ever had a bowl of cereal coz of milk. BUT determined as I am to not pass on my phobias I am working on porridge for DD1. And have managed French toast as it's only a splash of the white stuff. We get through less than a pint a week. When I was a kid we had three pints delivered every day shock

zcos Sat 09-Feb-13 23:00:26

Mmm is everyone on here weird re milk on here? smile... I include myself in this! ... I have always loved milk but don't think it likes me! so after a few weeks of having milk in the morning with cereal as I suddenly started having cereal when pregnant... I switched to soy milk. Seems to aggravate my IBS less ... I do feel like some soy milk with b vits is good for me to have a couple of times a week being a veggie.
re tv glad others watch with their tinnies I always feel a bit guilty but its good to manage a bite to eat and I always watch tv when bf in the day. Think its one of the perks grin

PetiteRaleuse Sat 09-Feb-13 23:05:12

I think maternity leave and crap pay is one of the prices one has to pay for the opportunity to watch unlimited tv and purchase box sets guilt free zcos

that's it until retirement grin

zcos Sat 09-Feb-13 23:09:59

I'm watching cheers and taxi on HBO at the mo ... I think I will have watched every episode of every series by the time I go back to work... now that's something to be proud of!
Also watching the office American version In the evening through dds cluster feeds (well until I go up to bed and cluster feed some more!)

zcos Sat 09-Feb-13 23:11:18

I meant to say I can't concentrate on anything longer or with a more complicated plot at the moment I sometimes struggle with these!

Dondoon Sat 09-Feb-13 23:43:59

Evil Thanks for the info about our little Dragons Very interesting also DH is a 1976 dragon too. I don't think 4 bottles a day sounds enough TBH I think it should be more like 6 or7 bottles if they only 5-6 ozs but all babies are different

TheDetective Sat 09-Feb-13 23:46:54

French toast... Mmmmmmmmm. Or eggy bread as we posh fuckers like to call it. grin

Oscar decided we should have a late night. On account that he can't breathe properly. sad

Poor baby. He's being terribly stoic about the whole thing. No man flu here! wink

StuntNun Sat 09-Feb-13 23:53:53

I love milk and drink a pint a day at the moment, usually hot to replace a cup of tea. Sometimes I branch out and have Ovaltine. Pregnancy increases calcium turnover for months after giving birth so if you don't drink milk make sure you're getting calcium from somewhere.

Any tips on how I can get J to sleep before 11 pm? He is usually irritable and cries for 2-3 hours in the evening until he passes out around 11. It's getting a bit wearing as we're already tired by 8 so it's hard to cope with all the fussing.

Dondoon Sun 10-Feb-13 00:03:30

stunt that's interesting about the calcium..my teeth have really suffered this time for the first time ever I've had a filling , an extraction and they are soooo sensitive in the last 12 months I think I should have been taking more calcium.

ValiumQueen Sun 10-Feb-13 00:03:36

2 hours. Ho Hum

I love milk and anything milky. DD2 refused milk after she self weaned from the breast at 18months. Only now will she consider a splash. She will eat a lot of frais and other calcium rich food thankfully. DH thinks milk is the root of a lot of problems.

Dondoon Sun 10-Feb-13 00:05:34

Wish I had the energy to go downstairs and make myself some eggy bread sad detective have some for me please

TheDetective Sun 10-Feb-13 00:08:17

What time does he wake in the morning? I found waking Oscar earlier got an earlier bedtime. Of course that won't work if he already wakes at 7!

When the grizzles start in the evening then we do a bath, he is happy in the bath. Then cries when he gets out. I quickly dry and dress him, then feed him in the bedroom with out the light on. This knocks him out. If it doesn't I lie next to the basket so he can't see me (he just stares and stops trying to sleep if he can see me) and rock it while playing White noise for him. I heart White noise. I really do. It stops him fighting against sleep.

Don't know if any of that helps, but it's just what we do.

TheDetective Sun 10-Feb-13 00:10:04

I'm in bed. No eggs. Someone else is gonna have to sort it!

Am gutted as I specifically asked DP to pick up eggs today. Baaaah.

Catbag Sun 10-Feb-13 00:19:44

So, thanks to four month sleep regression, babies are waking at midnight for the first feed of the night and have done for the last four days. They are then waking every 40-60 minutes and taking half an hour to feed off to sleep each time. I don't get it. The latest any child of mine slept through was 12 weeks and I thought that was horrific since the other three were sleeping through at 6 weeks. I am actually ready to keel over.

GTbaby Sun 10-Feb-13 00:33:43

Been busy all day.
Wi never catch up. And am keen to fall asleep. So wont attempt to either.

Hope all is well. Night night

Jackz133 Sun 10-Feb-13 00:44:09


Thechick Sun 10-Feb-13 01:58:29

I can't drink milk. It does bad things to my belly. Don't like cheese unless its melted like in pizza and pasta. I use oat milk for cereal and have just water with porridge.

ChunkyChicken Sun 10-Feb-13 02:11:02

Don't like the taste of milk but will drink it in tea or if in the mood, ice cold. Prefer choc milk shake if I have to drink it. Love cheese. Red fruit flavour yogs (I.e raspberry - all other flavours are the work of the devil grin ). Have a tiny bit on cereal.

The other night DS was grumpy, tried feeding him, he wanted it but was fussing, wriggling etc. Stopped feeding but DS was still grumpy. DD was in the bath so took DS upstairs. He immediately settled down & became happier. Think he 'knew' it was bedtime then, and as he was tired, that's what he wanted. Weird.

ValiumQueen Sun 10-Feb-13 02:48:54

cat oh dear, that is not good. I also keep wondering why J will not sleep as my girls were both sleeping through by 7 weeks. I also am on my knees but it must be so much harder with two. You are amazing to still be feeding them, and you so rarely moan about anything x big hugs and gentle talking to for S and R.

Why is this 4 month thing called sleep regression when they wake up and eat? How is that any different?

J woke after 1 hour but self settled and slept for another hour. DH saw the clock and said it was 2.30, and I growled that he had already been up twice. Poor DH apologised. Not his fault bless him.

All this driving and added responsibility is very tiring, he said last night. I have been doing this and more for the last 6 years whilst pregnant, ill, sleep deprived. I burst out laughing and he saw the funny side. I was keen to reassure him that he is doing very well as only just passed test, and what a help it is.

Catbag Sun 10-Feb-13 03:27:40

I found the feeding got suddenly much easier at 12 weeks. That, or else I just stopped thinking about it so much. Either way, it doesn't take any effort anymore unless you include the arduous task of eating my own body weight in chocolate everyday so I can't take any credit for that. S & R do the hard work with the permanent munchings grin

The culminative effect of the no-sleep does concern me a little. My executive function is definitely somewhat impaired occasionally not there at all. DH should make me play chess every day to guage whether I am allowed to leave the house in the car, just like Leo and the President in TWW grin

Seriously though, sometimes I am yawning so much that my eyes are watering and tears rolling down my face, much to the DCs alarm. Have to explain that am not upset, just ever so tired. They look at me suspiciously as they don't ever get that tired. Ah well. Another couple of months and I dare say this will have passed. And then they will be trying to move around!

Twins are twice the work (more than twice probably) , but I get twice the number of joyful faces and excited wiggles in the morning. Makes it all worth it smile

Thechick Sun 10-Feb-13 03:54:06

VQ you said that your dh thinks milk is the root of a lot of problems. I agree to a point, yes it is a great source of calcium but I think a lot of people cannot tolerate it and it exaggerates things like ibs and eczema. But I think you have to be predisposed to it in the first place. I can't tolerate it. Bad things happen. It's not pretty at all. Petite you are missing out with the no cereal thing. I love a big bowl of Kellogg's cornflakes with ice cold (oat)milk and chopped up banana. Mmmmm

Oh dear lots of wakeful babies - Dottie was unsettled and mooching in cot so got her out and she was soaked through - damn buggies nappies - they're shite!!! So full change and quick feed back to sleep required!!!

I love milk but it has to be organic - read about all the antibiotics and crap that was left in regular milk and had to change. We all try to eat cereal though I fancy cornflakes weetabix, crunchy nut, alpen eat 3 bowls and then go off it for 3 mths lol

I didn't mean 3 bowls in one sitting - that would be plain greedy!!!

ValiumQueen Sun 10-Feb-13 05:25:00

Depends on the size of the bowl.

cat you make sleep depravation sound almost romantic. Twice the fun with twins - I bet.

Well, J slept another 1.5 hours. I don't know what to think about him.

chick my kids seem to be very mucousy and DH was as a child. He blames dairy as he says milk is designed for baby cows not people.

I think cutting out caffeine is helping boy a bit. It may just be that I have eliminated a bit of mummy guilt. I am going to cut back on dairy too to see if it helps. Feeding is easy now, but the fact it is so often is the hard bit.

Dixiebell Sun 10-Feb-13 06:15:17

We had eggy bread for breakfast yesterday. With bacon & maple syrup. Yum. grin

Sophiathesnowfairy Sun 10-Feb-13 06:52:24

On the weaning thing, the lates I have done any of mine is five months and my reasoning is this.

At six months is said the need extra iron, I suppose what you ave them at birth runs out. Anyway the foods that contain ths, like dark leaved veg and whole grains are strong tastes and better to introduce later.

I don't like to rush it, I like to take it slowly to make sure they have had lots of variety and taste experiences. I can't imagine whizzing through it.

All the kiddos have survived they all know how to make healthy choices even if they don't always make them.

I think I'll stick to what I know. <government don't know my children emoticon> we have two NI tris planned in March so will start him in April at about 21 weeks.

Sophiathesnowfairy Sun 10-Feb-13 06:53:41

detective did you need eggs for something particular? Midnight omelette perhaps?

TheDetective Sun 10-Feb-13 06:54:07

Peers in thread. Been awake since 5 peering at a poorly baby. His temp is 38. Stripped and calpol'd. I've given him a weight appropriate dose since he is under 3 months.

He's just so brave. Mummy is not!

He's reduced his intake too sad he has had 2oz at 1030, and 2oz at 6. confused I hope he takes more next time.

TheDetective Sun 10-Feb-13 06:55:48

PANCAKES! I wanted pancakes. I now want anything eggy. Nom nom! DP is being dispatched to shop for a huge box of eggs this afternoon morning!

TheDetective Sun 10-Feb-13 07:04:04

I thought they still got iron from BM/Formula? I thought the added iron thing was one of those things chucked out by formula companies to advertise follow on milks which aren't needed? I could be wrong as I'm tired!

I was planning on a very slow weaning process over 3-6 months after 6 months. I might even wait longer than 6 months if I think he isn't ready.

Mind you DS1 was weaned at 4 months and he wasn't eating regular meals til 1 year. He was happier with milk.

Will see how it goes as every baby's different, and never say never!

TheDetective Sun 10-Feb-13 07:06:07

I mean regular meals as 3 times a day. He would snack in between but on milk. He was about 15 months when food became the major part of his diet.

Food is fun til one. Apparently. grin. Ds1 agreed it seems!

MadamGazelleIsMyMum Sun 10-Feb-13 07:17:40

I'm another that doesnt like milk. Will never drink it. Put it on cereal but dont scoop it up with the spoon, IYSWIM, so my cereal bowl always has milk in it when I have finished. I cannot watch anyone drink it, makes me want to vom. I sit opposite someone at work who drinks the leftover cereal milk. It actually turns my stomach.

Thechick Sun 10-Feb-13 07:33:19

H has an iron and a mixed vits supplement that we give every day as instructed by the hospital. I just assumed everyone took these. Maybe it's a prem thing.

Pikz Sun 10-Feb-13 07:42:42

I hate milk too. Just in my coffee or tea and must be super fresh.

Big standard night here. 7-12-4-7

Dixiebell Sun 10-Feb-13 07:49:11

We are crazy attempting to get to the patent & child swimming session starting at 8.30 this morning. Am currently feeding Teddy, ds1 is wandering around half dressed and screaming...hmm.

Dixiebell Sun 10-Feb-13 07:50:48

However, have shaved my bikini line for first time since the night I went into labour...

Dixiebell Sun 10-Feb-13 07:51:21

It was a lot easier this time, btw. wink

Cacacaz Sun 10-Feb-13 07:56:12

Poor little O * Detective* I hope he feels better soon.

VQ I hope cutting out dairy helps J further and that your Hv is better than the gp you saw.

M is still asleep shock[happy] and has been since 8.30 pm. We have a lovely day planned, we are going swimming and I'm going to have a cheeky half hour in the sauna and jacuzzi. I'm so excited!

Oh and I finally found the zip part with the play cards on our Uppababy I must be blind as a bat in idea why I couldn't see it before!

I'm glad I'm not the only weird person that doesn't like milk, I don't like cheese or butter either andi eat cereal without any milk. I only have butter in home baking. I get my calcium from readybrek and yoghurts. I'm very strange with my food aversions, the one most people find strangest of all is my dislike if crisps and chips!

Catbag Sun 10-Feb-13 08:23:19

I am a lifelong vegetarian, as are all the DCs. We love cheese. Eat a metric f**ktonne of it weekly. When I go to Subway and they ask which cheese I would like, I respond "All the cheeses please". They look a bit hmm I guess it is not a usual request grin

ValiumQueen Sun 10-Feb-13 08:51:30

J slept 2.5 hours so 7.5 hours but split into 4 parts. He does not want to be awake. I do not want to be awake. I used to sleep better when on a night duty! (I was a coiled spring always ready for action)

catbag same here, I love cheese. I buy tonnes of it and put it in nearly everything I cook.

detective Hope he is better soon, poor thing.

DS slept from 11.30 until 5.30 then again until 8.30. Not bad but several nights recently he has slept for 8 hours straight so I was expecting it again last night and it didn't happen. Boo.

kirrinIsland Sun 10-Feb-13 09:04:27


I could easily live on cereal. I have a bowl as a snack every most days.

N seems to be getting the hang of sleeping in the evening, though she won't let me put her down. Still, it's an improvement and we can work on that.
She also stirred at 6 this morning, but I ignored her and she went back off to sleep until now! I feel like there is a light at the end of the tunnel - albeit very far away.

I drove back from Dads yesterday, it was surprisingly easy. Took 5 hours including a stop and both girls slept pretty much all the way.

DD1 and I are both full of cold again. We've only just got over the last one. I hate winter sad

Catbag Sun 10-Feb-13 09:10:20

Sorry vq, it sounds like we have been bad in a previous life and must be punished sad Every morning, between 4am and 5am, I think that I do not want to be awake. I want to be snoring peacefully like DH. But by the time it gets to about 5:40am, I think that I might as well get up and take advantage of the fact that they will lie here for about 15-20 minutes before kickng off, and go and do something useful. Or have a cup of tea. Just be away, and not lying miserable in bed.

This morning, for instance I got up, ran to kitchen and put on kettle, ran upstairs for wee, came back to kitchen, made tea. Remembered had some roasted mediterranean veg in freezer, threw it into stock pot and cooked with stupid amounts of garlic, added 6 tins of chopped tomatoes. Filled another saucepan with water, added 3 or 4 coarsely chopped garlic cloves, a big chunk of ginger, myriad herbs, tabasco with chipotle and put on to heat up and use as stock. Hey presto, roast veg and tomato soup for dinner. All actions above took 12 minutes. I also put the washing machine on. Stuff like this makes me feel like I am winning, even though I feel half-dead. Keeps me sane. I AM IN CONTROL! Really though, I am! It's not just in my head! <<keels over>>

Passmethecrisps Sun 10-Feb-13 09:25:32

Good meowning,

Snotty, sneezy, coughing baby and snotty, sneezy, coughing husband. Duvet day in crisp towers.

StuntNun Sun 10-Feb-13 09:26:11

Detective if you got enough iron when pregnant then baby is born with enough iron for the first six months then needs to start getting iron from food. The same goes for vitamin D, that's why they recommend vitamin drops from 4-6 months. Iron deficiency in babies is reasonably common hence the recent interest in delayed cord cutting to maximise baby's iron stores.

Thanks for the bedtime tips Detective. J wakes up between 6 and 7 but he's not great at daytime naps so I think he's overtired by nighttime. He was going to sleep between 10 and 10:30 which was okay but it's been getting later. I think DH isn't speaking to him after last night's three-hour grumbling/crying sesh. Tonight I'm going to get DH to take him out for a walk with the dog (dog is crippled so walks don't take long) while I run the bath. Then he can have a good long bath to wear him out. Then into his sleeping bag and into bed for a feed. If that doesn't knock him out then he can go in the swing (in his sleeping bag) with a dummy. I'm not convinced it will work but if we start to do it every night then maybe he will develop sleep associations. Should I add a bedtime story in there somewhere as well?

The constant puking possetting is really starting to get me down. He's had three sets of clothes on today already and we only got up at 8 (although one of those was as a result of poonami.) He's sick up to five times after each feed and I don't always manage to 'catch' it in a bib or muslin. I thought my 12 weeks that would be getting better. He also seems to have intermittent intestinal pain. Please tell me I don't have to cut out dairy.

horseylady Sun 10-Feb-13 09:48:10

Stunt - did you see what the dr told me? I was going through exactly that. Infant gaviscon has made a significant difference to us!!! His screaming (which wasn't much) has reduced, there is reduced sickness. Honestly we were both changing 3-4 times a day. His started about 13 weeks

PennieLane Sun 10-Feb-13 09:56:41

I'm a cock too VQ

Mixed feeding (one bottle) since week 6 here, v happy with decision.

pikz totally salute you, think you're amazing and you've reached a decision that's best for both of you. Hooray for more cuddle time!

horseylady Sun 10-Feb-13 09:57:09

Stunt we've done a bed time routine pretty much from the day he came home. No idea if he'd just quickly anyway but I do think he knows what order things happen in. Hes a very routiney type baby. Or appears to be!! I am as well.

Chinese people I'm a hound. Fairly accurate description of my personality. Apparently I'm wary of dragons. Mmmmmmmm

ChunkyChicken Sun 10-Feb-13 10:01:33

I suppose I shouldn't complain. 9.30pm-1.45-7.30am-9.30 and asleep until 9am (in our bed as I fed him laying down at 7.30). But he was going SO much longer than 4-5hrs. The feed at 1.45 was v short so I was back in bed by 2.15 at the latest, inc a loo visit & checking on DD. Perhaps I should have tried a dummy but that might not have been quicker for me iyswim. Babies are truly a law unto themselves!!!

DD didn't stir for 12hrs (late to bed, 9.30).<lie-in emoticon> grin

stunt we've got frequent posseting then at times more 'forceful' vomiting that continues a while after a feed on occassion. DD did the same iirc. DD spent about the first 4-5mths of her life with her head on a muslin, perhaps that's why her comforter is now a soft piece of muslin??! Either way, DS always wears a bib (catches dribble & puke!) and we have about 6 muslins on the go at any one time. I have no answer other than that really!!

BigPigLittlePig Sun 10-Feb-13 10:04:12

catbag shock <salutes the powers of wonderwoman>

stunt I know I and others have bemoaned the constipating effects of gaviscon, BUT - I haven't been able to express for a few days and LO has therefore not had any. She was previously having 1 sachet a day at bedtime (placebo saxhet?? hmm ). Since having none, she is in possetting hell and has the most dreadful hiccups. It might be worth giving it a go at a low dose. Have just typed all that and then read what horsey wrote.

We had Canadian breakfast this morning (not sure if it's actually from Canada) - pancakes, bacon, sausages & maple syrup - yum.
Feeds at 11, 2.30 and 7.30 last night, with a mini play session at 2.30 as posset-induced change required then slept in our bed

Evilwater Sun 10-Feb-13 10:07:14

Milk, I used to love the taste. I recall how the cream used to separate in the bottle. Hm.....nice. But now it's more water than anything. sad

VQ you have really had it rough.

Horsey I'm glad you got the gavision.

Decteive- I hope things improve soon.


PurplePidjin Sun 10-Feb-13 10:12:45

Also a cock grin

R did 8:30-4:15 shock then 4:30-5:45 shock however, he's on his second nap of the day (first was 30 mins or so, so not long, but he rarely sleeps during daylight hours and if he does it's a mammoth one around lunchtime) and i have a stinking cold which appears to have bypassed him so now I'm worried. Calpol is on standby...

He'll be 12 weeks tomorrow, maybe he's getting ready to grow? <hopeful>

Went to a party last night and didn't get home until 11:45. M went back to sleep after feed etc at 12:30 and didn't wake up until 9am!!!
My boobs were huge and one had leak all over my top and duvet but 8.5hrs shock

MissMummy1 Sun 10-Feb-13 10:28:26

We're also having a canadian breakfast just now! Sorry detective smile but without sausages BPLP envy . I am however sipping freshly squeezed oj grin - DP is doing good! <removes thoughts of kitchen state from mind>

Okish night here. The better nights seem to be when DP is not here, ie when he is working nights or sleeping in the spare room as I was in an arsey mood last night. He flinches to every wee noise she makes whereas I seem to sleep until she is actually awake and wanting fed. Bad mum sad (or is it an evolutionary thing?)hmm

Mmm eggy bread...

I like milk on cereal & in tea but don't tend to drink it alone. Hate yukky cheese and not keen on cream/yog etc. Am wondering whether to cut out dairy but L didn't have all this pain when we were ebf so maybe it's too slight to matter. It would mainly be in porridge and a couple of cups of (non- decaf) tea.

I seem to have developed a sleep problem. Last few weeks L has had a small chunk of sleep and then been wakeful the rest of the night. This week it's improved but I'm still lying awake waiting for him to snort/cry/cough. Can't drop off. Driving me crazy, I feel like I'm losing my grip. More so than when he was waking me. I even put Ewan on for myself - didn't work.

I had porridge made with water because the little darlings had used all the milk this morning hmm
I have had some mega milk cravings over the past 2-3 days, wtf is that about?!

StuntNun Sun 10-Feb-13 10:43:40

We had Canadian breakfast too! Is it because of Shrove Tuesday approaching so we're all thinking about pancakes or is this becoming less of a quiche and more of a cult?

Thanks for all your info on reflux, I think I'll keep a closer eye on when the possetting is happening and try and keep him upright more. DH did the 'Jimmy Shimmy' with him just after his last feed and guess what, he was sick. I might try block feeding him again as I'm having problems with oversupply at the moment.

Right off to study, my exam dates came through last week so I'd better get working.

<RAGE> My tossing boiler has packed in again in the night, third time in 3 days, they come, fix and the leave and it promptly breaks again, I might go hang out in the car, at least it's warm in there. <moan, whine, grumble>

Evilwater Sun 10-Feb-13 10:50:08

Oh, no tits!

LO has hiccups again.


horseylady Sun 10-Feb-13 10:57:41

The stupid god damned woman in boots has seriously annoyed me!!!! Thankfully for her I've got a christening to sort.....

Passmethecrisps Sun 10-Feb-13 11:07:15

Good luck wih the christening horsey! Take some pics of E in his tweed for us please.

Been hearing about a girl I went to school with dying in her sleep on Friday night. She has an 8 month old baby. Very sad.

Catbag Sun 10-Feb-13 11:07:48

tits That's not porridge, that's gruel!

Catbag Sun 10-Feb-13 11:08:30

Oh pass, how awful sad

Oh God that's awful pass.

Yesterday ILs took L out for a walk so DH and I had the house to ourselves for the first time in over three months.

Did we get down and dirty? Did we read each other romantic poetry? Or did we in fact have a very long conversation about our own mortality and what should happen in the event of either or both of our deaths?

Not nice to think about but I suppose we should really get something written down.

Catbag Sun 10-Feb-13 11:19:18

blonde DH and I did that the other day. It is a depressing topic, but I felt much happier after we had talked about it. I am so terrified of dying before the children are big enough to fend for themselves sad

kirrinIsland Sun 10-Feb-13 11:37:17

Pass sad Thats awful.

blonder we did that just before N was born, and got our wills drawn up too. Well, DP already had one, just needed updating. I hadn't bothered as all I own is a credit card bill and a lame horse! But it is important to formalise what will happen to the children if the worst happens. Very depressing to do though.

Right, off to unpack and tidy. I've been away for 4 days and DP hasn't hoovered once - and we have long haired dogs. You can imagine what the floors look like shock

Passmethecrisps Sun 10-Feb-13 11:37:19

It's a terrible thing to have to think about but needs must. This woman died of a heart attack it's thought. Fit, healthy and no sign of anything untoward. I am going to spend the day having cuddles

PetiteRaleuse Sun 10-Feb-13 11:50:14

LO and DH had an accident with the nail clippers this morning. Incredible how much blood can spurt from a tiny cut on a baby's thumb.

LO cried a lot yesterday evening and this morning. Very out of character, not sure what is wrong with her. Other than a sore thumb. Everyone in my house issleeping right&#768; now. It's lovely and peaceful.

PennieLane Sun 10-Feb-13 11:53:13

Oh god, I've become obsessed with mine and DH's mortality since I have birth. That poor family!

I'm another who hates all dairy except cheese. Have only drunk coffee in last year because always hated the milk in it <stressful job overcame that>

I went to a wedding last night.(one of many this year). First time I've left the house after 6pm, and felt v happy to be in a nice dress. Was there for 5 mins before LO had vomited all down the front of my dress and the front of DH's shirt, muslins didn't catch it. I hope the photographer kindly edits it out!

PennieLane Sun 10-Feb-13 11:54:30

Hugs to catbag vq and zcos and everyone else. I'm dreading the 4 month thing <praying most of us escape it>

StuntNun Sun 10-Feb-13 11:57:21

Blonder it's worth getting a will drawn up. If anything did happen to you then the court would decide who would be responsible for your children but if you have a will then it's much easier for your estate to be wrapped up. You want someone to have access to your money, insurance, etc. at the very least to be able to pay for the funeral arrangements. Otherwise it will take a long time to get things sorted out. They recommend that you have different people responsible for the money and the children but we have put everything to my SIL and left it to their good judgement. We have set up savings accounts in the children's own names so if there wasn't anything left of our estate when they reach 21 then they would still have some of their own money. It's a scary thought but the chances of it happening are very small although possibly not the way DH drives you do it just in case the worst should happen. There's yourself to think about as well. DH earns more than me so we have an extra life insurance policy for him so that if something happened to him, the kids and I would be okay. I think it's something to set up and then pretty much forget about until the kids are older and you need to update it. The way our will is worded if we have another child then we don't need to make changes to it.

On another note when we got home from the solicitors I told DS1 we had set up our will and if anything happened to us our estate would be split between the three of them. He said that wasn't enough and he wanted half!

ChunkyChicken Sun 10-Feb-13 12:11:50

pass how sad

We keep meaning to do a will but don't actually get around to it blush

We're on a "lots of sleep & 2hrly feeds" schedule since 7.30am. He's 13wo today. Why is he doing this now??!! Why??!!!

Sophiathesnowfairy Sun 10-Feb-13 12:18:40

I want a Canadian breakfast. envy but instead I had porridge(not gruel) at about 6:00 so have just had my lunch. Beans. But will be roast beef and yorkshirepuddings for dinner. < yum emoticon>

detective just what stunt says about the iron. I just read it somewhere and so got myself into a nice little routine with weaning and I suppose when it has worked well for three you (I mean me IYSWIM) might as well do the same for number four.

Am not doing too bad for sleep. Though usually at the weekend DH does the 10:00 feed and I skulk off to bed for an early night about 8pm blush but was kept up last night finishing DD1 s homework with her till 9pm. I was hopping around going " come on come on I want to go to bed!" One of those stupid home works where they bring the teddy home for the weekend and we have to take it About with us and then write about it's experiences.

I note as the book goes on people put more and more extravagant expeditions in and photos galore. It becomes like a competition. Meh

<whispers> once I made it all up, a trip to Glastonbury in a camper van hmm

Oh pass how awful. I can't think of anything worse than leaving DS when he's so small sad sad

Sophiathesnowfairy Sun 10-Feb-13 12:21:36

How sad pass it is heartbreaking when things like that happen.

When I was checking out the teddy book and the things other people had written one girl wrote about how she goes to a club for children who have to care for their parents as they are ill. I suppose the club gives them a chance to be a child. sad

Evilwater Sun 10-Feb-13 12:22:51

Pass- that's awful !! I must get my will done. A phone call for the morning.

I've had some porridge and a sprinkling of Special K, I've also had some toast with honey on. I gave LO a small taste, and he wasn't impressed. He was more interested in my tea grin


Passmethecrisps Sun 10-Feb-13 12:44:53

I have had two pieces of shortbread so far today. We are all a bit out of sorts and DH's hunter gatherer instincts are a bit dulled

StuntNun Sun 10-Feb-13 12:47:28

You're doing it all wrong Sophia, just take a photo of the teddy in the cupboard under the stairs and write that teddy was naughty and had to be punished so couldn't go on all the fun adventures that your children had <wicked mother emoticon>.

TooManyDicksOnTheDancefloor Sun 10-Feb-13 13:09:28

That is terrible pass, how sad. We don't have a will either, need to dart that ASAP.

I love milk! No milk aversions in this house. I'm feeling very jealous of those who have had a Canadian breakfast envy

B still possets regularly too, she gets through a minimum of three outfits a day. She can posset anytime between one feed and the next. It doesn't appear to bother her too much though so I didn't bother seeing a doctor. She was full on vomming but that has stopped since my milk supply has sorted itself out.

ValiumQueen Sun 10-Feb-13 13:09:55

pass so sad. The same thing happened to David Coulthards sister yesterday. She was 35.

evil honey should not be given to babies under a year old as can make them very ill.

Evilwater Sun 10-Feb-13 13:13:06

Oh fuck. It was a very small blob it was just a small drip. Think the size of a rain drop.


TooManyDicksOnTheDancefloor Sun 10-Feb-13 13:13:28

And sophia, we're going to Glastonbury festival in our yellow vw campervan this year, can't wait. Just got to get my head around the guilt of leaving the girls with my parents for the weekend, it'll be the first time I've left Bronwen. I'm currently expressing 4oz a day to build up a stock of milk for while I'm away.

ValiumQueen Sun 10-Feb-13 13:14:16

I will start introducing solids when he has 22 weeks. The girls both hung on to 24 weeks, but it was a struggle. Not sure I will be up to the struggle with fat boy. Just puréed food with baby rice. All home made. DD1 had a jar the day we moved to Scotland. She ate it fine, and vommed it all back.

ValiumQueen Sun 10-Feb-13 13:15:06

evil do not worry, just make sure to not give it again.

ValiumQueen Sun 10-Feb-13 13:16:24

I would swap my mother for a VW campervan (not really, but I would love to have one)

Evilwater Sun 10-Feb-13 13:17:09

VQ he has been very interested in food. He keeps watching anyone that eats, and then licks his lips. If he could walk up and grap food off my plate I think he would have!


ValiumQueen Sun 10-Feb-13 13:19:45

evil read up about infant botulism just in case so you can spot any signs early. Do not worry though. It is very rare, but the advice is not to give honey.

Evilwater Sun 10-Feb-13 13:20:59

No worries VQ!

Passmethecrisps Sun 10-Feb-13 13:21:11

P is also interested in food. Nt surprised - her milk is horrid

Same person VQ. I went to school with her - from a tiny village.

Picture of bear with can of Stella and a full ashtray sophia?

ValiumQueen Sun 10-Feb-13 13:22:45

J is also interested in food in a way the girls never were. He had a brief taste of banana from DD2 before I removed it. I think it was just a lick as she was trying to get him to take a bite. Cannot even blink in this house. The baby jail is no longer working as she just picks it up and walks with it.

ValiumQueen Sun 10-Feb-13 13:25:52

I did wonder pass as thankfully it is very rare. So sad.

sophia I hate when the sodding class bear comes home. It has been to NY, Egypt etc. it is a competition.

Evilwater Sun 10-Feb-13 13:28:27

OMG, I never knew. Talk about scary!!! I thought that honey being a natural substance, would be ok. Fucking hell.


TooManyDicksOnTheDancefloor Sun 10-Feb-13 13:33:34

We got it 3 years ago VQ, she's 43 years old and called daisy! Can't wait to get back out in her grin

Sophiathesnowfairy Sun 10-Feb-13 13:34:42

Loving the clas teddy suggestions. Will jot them own for next time! grin

ValiumQueen Sun 10-Feb-13 13:38:30

Same age as me dicks We have a tent, but I dream of having a Winebego (spelt wrong no doubt)

TooManyDicksOnTheDancefloor Sun 10-Feb-13 13:39:20

FT columnist Janan Ganesh has tweeted this today- @JananGanesh: The woman next to me on this plane is actually breast feeding. Tyler Brule doesn't have to put up with this.

What a knob

Catbag Sun 10-Feb-13 14:00:49

What a twonk, dicks. I hope Twitter is flaming him as we speak angry

Passmethecrisps Sun 10-Feb-13 14:10:03

I just had a look. Few people having a go.

Kyzordz Sun 10-Feb-13 14:30:41

Morning all! Ds slept 8:30-10:45, fed, bed at 11:30-7:30 then fed, then 8:15-10-45!!! Then up for 90 mins and a 30 min nap, is now eating a crinkly toy and watching fantasia! All in all a good night! Hope everyone else's went ok potters off to read the pages not yet caught up on

ChunkyChicken Sun 10-Feb-13 14:36:45

Agree toomany twunt.

DS asleep again. DD having a paddy about cBeebies being turned off for the,rugby. DH engrossed in rugby (although is actually trying to get DD to go for a nap now as I type...). Its all fairly typical in the Chicken house!!

kissyfur Sun 10-Feb-13 14:38:42

Bit late to the party as usual but marking my place...

ValiumQueen Sun 10-Feb-13 14:39:59

DH has taken the girls out in the car <<wibble>>

TheDetective Sun 10-Feb-13 14:40:59

Today I wish I had Twitter TooMany. I suspect Janan Ganesh will wish the opposite by the end of today.

Evil, wot VQ said. I gave it to DS1 unsuspectingly, after a family members 'advice'. Nothing happened, and I didn't know anything could, until a lot later down the line. He's here, he's fine, don't stress on what is done. Just keep an eye out. There are a few things that shouldn't be given before certain ages. I really must read up on them myself, as my brain lets me down again!

Stunt frequent possetting has been a recent development in camp detective. I thought it might be the change in teats, tried the old teats, made no difference. So I got some dentinox drops. I ummed and ahhed over infacol/gripe water/dentinox drops. I went for the latter in the end. Anyway, I have put them in to 2 feeds a day, and this has helped drastically. Other than when DP does the jiggles after a feed. Stupido.

Pass That made my blood run cold. It is rare, but so so so tragic. Poor family. poor baby. Just awful. Cruel and unfair. I used to worry about these things awfully. Every story I hear, the more the worry sinks back in. sad

Regarding wills, I do not have one. I have no assets, I'm not sure a house in negative equity could be classed as an asset confused. I have never known what to do, because I could not decide regarding guardians etc. Having 2 children to two different fathers makes that impossible for me. I don't want my children split up sad

What do others do with similar situations? I'd like both children to stay with my mum in an ideal world, and DP to live with my mum. That ain't gonna happen! I think DP would do a good job with Oscar, but not on his own, he would struggle emotionally/financially/practically, and I wouldn't want that for him. And I think DS1 needs a stronger figure in his life, his 'disney dad' is a bad influence on him, and DP can't get the good behaviour I can out of him. My mum can though.

Chick Depending on local policy, depends on which babies are offered iron/folic acid/vitamins. Here it is prescribed for babies who were born before 37 weeks AND who are below 2.5kg. Therefore it is not routinely given to premature infants unless they are under 2.5kg. Babies above 37 weeks who are less than 2.5kg don't get them prescribed. Each Trust has their own guidance.

Regarding iron supplementation, I've had a little read around, and found the following links which I thought was interesting:

From Kellymom.

NHS weaning leaflet.

Have to give up on this post, been at it an hour, arghhh! Be back later! Been abandoned by DP with a sick baby. Tosspot. He's gone to see a relative with his mum. Except he rang me 90 mins ago and said they weren't going as his mum had stuff to do at home. So he is at his mums. And I am home alone with a sick baby. Thanks, fucker. I'll get him back.

Catbag Sun 10-Feb-13 14:51:46

detective You absolutely should have a will as a property owner, even if your house is in negative equity. It might well not stay there. You don't want your estate being dealt with under the intestacy rules as your DP would not have a claim, and what there was would most likely be split twixt your kids and your parents, if your parents were still about grin
Other law people? zcos? Is that about right?

TheDetective Sun 10-Feb-13 15:00:17

Would they not be liable for the mortgage and negative equity though?! DP could never afford this house on his own. Neither could ds1's dad. I'd rather it just went to the bank than gave them hassle.

I really have nothing of value to leave behind sad

kissyfur Sun 10-Feb-13 15:02:28

Just used my twitter account for the first time in years to berate @jananganesh! What a moron

Pass that's so so sad sad I really need to get a will done

TooManyDicksOnTheDancefloor Sun 10-Feb-13 15:08:01

Me too kissy, perhaps if we get the whole of MN to do it he'll have to appologise or get the sack?

ChunkyChicken Sun 10-Feb-13 15:16:38

Do you not have life assurance to pay the mortgage in the event of your death detective? DH (& I to a certain extent) are, partly because of this, worth more dead than alive. If one or both of us dies, the mortgage is paid off. I would get DH's death in service benefit & pension etc. & vice versa, but his benefits are better than mine in those circumstances.

W/out a will, your DP would be kicked out & I believe, your dc would go to your next of kin as you're not married (although that may have changed) despite their DF's being named on the birth cert. Your house would eventually be sold for whatever they could get and the bank would take it to cover their debt.

I realise I'm in no better position (although we're married, ours in a joint mortgage & joint home ownership & we have life assurance) as I don't have a will, & have yet to put the trust in place to ensure the dc get at least some of the life assurance we've got in addition to that for the mortgage, but its def worth doing.

ChunkyChicken Sun 10-Feb-13 15:17:05

I don't have Twitter. Tempted to sign up...

PurplePidjin Sun 10-Feb-13 15:34:50

I swapped my T25 with my dad for his Punto sad and will be selling the bug sad which is also 43 years old. Dp and I met through vw's

kissyfur Sun 10-Feb-13 15:38:27

I expect there is already a thread on here about him and his stupid comments Toomany! He's going to be in for a shock when his flight lands

TheDetective Sun 10-Feb-13 15:40:45

No. I have no insurances.

I'm worth nothing dead.


I know I should, but I had to economise when I was a single parent, I couldn't afford it otherwise. Now I'm not single, I'm possibly worse off than when I was single. Shite.

TooManyDicksOnTheDancefloor Sun 10-Feb-13 15:41:30

Do you go to vw shows * purple*?

ValiumQueen Sun 10-Feb-13 15:53:06

I do not yet have a will, but I do have life assurance, as does DH. I need to check on these things actually. I am not sure anyone would be prepared to take on my three. My parents are too old, one brother is a wanker married to a Munchausens by proxy psycho, my other brother has Aspergers (he would be my preference ) and my SIL is single and just daft. She does love them though. It is horrid thinking of such things.

detective you have two sons to leave behind and they are most valuable. I would encourage you to get life assurance. You are still very young so it should not cost much. With the NHS there is a payment for death in service I believe. I also have cover to pay off the mortgage. I would be suprised of you did not as I think it is obligatory. It is important to think about this as if the worst were to happen, you would not want your family to have to spend out for funeral and have the added ordeal of legal stuff.

ValiumQueen Sun 10-Feb-13 15:54:50

I had a bright orange beetle called Bobby. I still miss him. My feet would get soaked if it rained, if I stopped and turned the engine off I had to wait an hour before it would start again, but I loved him so.

Catbag Sun 10-Feb-13 16:00:08

VQ Actually, that is a good point. Isn't life insurance a prerequisite of getting a mortgage? I don't have one nor any prospect of getting one with my credit rating, so I don't know.

Catbag Sun 10-Feb-13 16:21:53

Ok, double checked my uni notes- your kids would take everything detective as you and DP are not married. That makes it all doubly important since, if they were under 18, someone else would be administering their affairs. You could use your will to nominate who that person would be, otherwise someone would be appointed by the court. Your house may be in negative equity now, but there may come a point where it isn't and it could be worth something to your two.

I would advise you in the strongest possible terms to get life insurance. My eldest two children's Dad was killed in a motorbike accident in October 2005. I was effectively widowed at 25. We were both covered by life insurance but, because we were so poor and struggling to feed the four of us, in the prior June I cancelled it. Instead of having £100,000 to look after me and the kids, I had nothing. I was a SAHM and so after trying to cope for 2 months on Income Support and Child Tax Credit, I had to get jobs. I ended up working five part time jobs to fit around school and nursery to make ends meet. Things improved slowly, and then much more when I met who is now my DH, but it was still a very hand-to-mouth existence. I enrolled at uni because I never wanted to be that poor again, and I see my degree as an investment in the kids' future, but it has been a struggle that I could have avoided. I haven't a house, but have insurance as I want to make sure that whoever is looking after the children have the funds in place to do it properly.

Ok, you may consider this lecture over grin <<goes to wash face and blow nose and pretend she hasn't been crying>>

ValiumQueen Sun 10-Feb-13 16:33:42

Thank you for sharing cat you have had more than your fair share of heartache. You are one touch cookie ((((((((((huggle)))))))))

ValiumQueen Sun 10-Feb-13 16:34:11

Tough even!

ValiumQueen Sun 10-Feb-13 16:35:44

Solemn Sunday it seems sad

Shall we go for Morose Monday? Memory Monday? Mischief Monday?

TheDetective Sun 10-Feb-13 16:37:32

Cat sad there are no words. Brave woman xxx

Catbag Sun 10-Feb-13 16:38:54

Not brave, just a mum. You'd all do the same x

Catbag Sun 10-Feb-13 16:40:28

How about Merry Monday instead? :D

catbag fab advice - reminded me to get a will sorted out - dh has life assurance and will which pre dates us - the kids would go to my best friend in Norwich but my dad would hold finances for them. Horrible to think of but even more horrible to think of things not being in place should the worst happen!!!

Havin a crud day!!! Can't shift this black cloud over me - got sooo much to do before uni, occie health check, crb check, bursary application and a whole heap of other stuff to pay out for.

Dh has taken Dottie out in the car to take the step boys back as she's desperate for sleep but will not go longer than 20 mins anywhere.

CBA to make tea or do anything - wanted the house blitzed this weekend but although I mentioned it 15 times because I wasn't doing it myself chained to sofa feeding and wasn't barking orders it's not been done - tomorrow's job while Dottie at the cm sorted woooo

ChunkyChicken Sun 10-Feb-13 16:44:21

sad cat ((hugs))

On a lighter note, I have just wasted most of my afternoon not watching the rugby with DH reading a thread on AIBU. Seriously, it gets silly.

Must... put... phone... out.... of... reach.... can't... resist... AIBU...

What about Motherfucking Monday? Or is that more appropriate to Sweary Wednesday? grin

kissyfur Sun 10-Feb-13 16:50:11

sad hugs to you cat

ValiumQueen Sun 10-Feb-13 16:51:17

J has slept for 2.5 hours this afternoon. He woke twice and self settled in moments. Feeling encouraged. He has not yet had the crying in pain thing and can sit in his chair, on changing mat etc without screaming.

StuntNun Sun 10-Feb-13 16:53:11

Catbag you are officially now my hero.

Detective it's actually a brilliant time to take out life insurance. Our mortgage gets paid off if one or both or us die (so either the children's trust can sell the house for the money or the surviving spouse doesn't have any mortgage payments to make) and it costs us £9 a month.

J has gone to sleep so I must go an put the spuds in. Roast beef and Yorkshire puds for dinner courtesy of my mum buying a huge piece of silverside before she went home.

StuntNun Sun 10-Feb-13 16:53:54

Sorry for apostrophe error in previous post hmm

Would that be the MIL thread Chunky?

Cat you really have been through it. Will def look into life insurance. We don't have much, saving up for house deposit so no assets really. But we need to make a will to sort out what would happen.

I'm up for a Marvellous Monday.

StuntNun Sun 10-Feb-13 16:55:26

J is no longer asleep after I dropped my phone on his head <bad mother emoticon>. Poor little thing, it's a good thing the case is rubber so it was more of a shock than a hurt.

PetiteRaleuse Sun 10-Feb-13 17:06:08

sad cat that must have been a horrible time for you.

We have life insurance even though my premiums are through to roof because of my disagreement with nsaids. I would want my sister to take on my children but as they are French my ILs could dispute them being taken out of France. Need to get something down in writing.

Catbag Sun 10-Feb-13 17:53:13

On a lighter note, the soup I made at 6am has been simmering away all day and is officially bloody lovely. I put a bit of smoky tabasco in the stock so it has a smoky aftertaste and I also put in... CHEESE PHOBICS LOOK AWAY NOW... two packet of wensleydale cheese. Farking beautiful, and enough soup made for another 12-15 portions. Result!

We have life insurance and accident cover, no will though so far.

Cat you're a very brave and strong lady to come through that <hug>

We had an interesting meal out earlier, J was in my knee wiggling around and hanging onto a straw for dear life, he's quite happy so I'm chatting to DP who is sat opposite me while I eat a caramel sundae (diet day off!) before I know it J has stuck his whole fist in the jug of caramel sauce and is sucking the hell out of it with relish, then cried when I cleaned him up. He went to sleep soon after then woke up and had a giant feed which he then projectile vomited all over me confused

zcos Sun 10-Feb-13 17:58:01

cat stop being modest its official your amazing all of us can't be wrong.
I'm having a down day so merry Monday sounds good does that mean I need to have a glass of wine!?
can't wait for spring ... hope weather will be milder and I can get out in the garden with dd. grin
hate trying to work out all this baby equipment I just never have time! have a Moby sling , travel cot and pram to work out... I had been walking dd in car seat as a buggy but read that's wrong < embarrassed and crap mum emoticon>

zcos Sun 10-Feb-13 18:06:25

cat soup recipe please.
I have a soup maker Christmas present apparently its like an industrial one! that's another piece of equipment that I have to get to grips too angry sad

ValiumQueen Sun 10-Feb-13 18:21:19

tits oops!

cat OMG! That sounds awesome! I think I want my kids to live with cat as she is clearly Supermum! (If I was not around, obviously)

TheDetective Sun 10-Feb-13 18:22:19

Bloody hell, I need to stop reading sad stories today. I've read the story about the little one who was killed by drawers falling on our FB page. Then read about twins who died the same way, who would have been the same age as DS1 is now. Then reading about a little girl who died in an accident at nursery, and now about a 1 month old who had his finger bitten off by a fox.

Turn news websites off. Gawwwwwd..

Can someone please cheer the thread up? Go on, you know you want to!

ValiumQueen Sun 10-Feb-13 18:24:35

Go and look at horseys pic of E on FB, and also look at the 'have you seen this' thread with all the pics of MN kids. It is lovely.

ValiumQueen Sun 10-Feb-13 18:25:15

<<flashes norks, complete with tassels>>

ValiumQueen Sun 10-Feb-13 18:25:43

<<does a moonie>>

ValiumQueen Sun 10-Feb-13 18:30:17

Too much? blush

PetiteRaleuse Sun 10-Feb-13 18:39:55

Detective stop reading the daily mail wink

ValiumQueen Sun 10-Feb-13 18:42:01

How is O now detective? Feeling better and cooler I hope x

PurplePidjin Sun 10-Feb-13 18:53:46

Dicks yeah, usually at the Pod - Big Bang, GTi Festivals, Action. Dp does a bit of commentary and other work for a guy who organises shows. You?

Elizadoesdolittle Sun 10-Feb-13 18:56:16

cat so sorry to hear your story. Can't imagine what you must have gone through, and your poor DC's.

We have a will and my sister will get DD's if anything happens to us. We both have life insurance to pay off mortgage and DH gets more through work. We actually need to look into our life cover once we move as we will need it increased.

Gosh there's a lot of sad stories going around so I think a merry Monday is definitely in order.

Had a couple of late nights. Not DC related, just having friends round and not going to bed early enough! Going to have a bath once DD1 is in bed and have an early night. * sprinkles sleepy dust to all the november babies *

ChunkyChicken Sun 10-Feb-13 18:58:07

blonder just off to check the MIL thread but also read the 'friend should of <sic> given me a lift' thread. Lots of deleted posts, SHOUTING & corrections of grammar...

TheDetective Sun 10-Feb-13 19:25:26

<Runs through thread streaking> grin

Sorry about the droop!

Oscar is a snot ball, but a cool snot ball! No more reason to give calpol. My mummy thermometer is in fine fettle.

Thanks for asking!

He's sleeping a little more if that is even possible and eating less. Will see how he goes tonight.

PR I think I came across your blog accidently earlier through the awakened parenting website. Was rather random to recognise someone online IYKWIM!

zcos Sun 10-Feb-13 19:26:29

Eliza thanks for sleep dust hope it works ...been crying lots today house looks like an s hole ... I peed myself last night and it took ages for me to notice ... the washing machine doesn't work dd New clothes are stuck in it! I just want to go to bed and cry all night but I can't worried I have pnd ... I only have one dd, generally supportive dh - tho he did say is it pmt!?
feel guilty for being so upset over such silly things and really feels like I can't cope every time I think of my pee covered pjs that I can't wash I just want to cry again sad
gotta go machine beeping to say its stuck in cycle again think I will go and beat it up!! thing is neither dh or me good at these technical things!! sad sad sad.

TooManyDicksOnTheDancefloor Sun 10-Feb-13 19:41:25

Have you got the manual zcos? It happened to ours once and I was able to drain the water and get the clothes out using the troubleshooting bit.

cat, you are such a strong lady, I am full of admiration for you.

purple, we do action, not been to Big Bang as it's not really one for kids. We've also been to Whitenoise, deva, dub odyssey, vw festival and a few others.

ValiumQueen Sun 10-Feb-13 19:41:28

Zcos I was only just saying to DH how bad peeing yourself is for your self esteem. I am always on the leaky side, but with the chest infection I have been in a real mess even with pads. It is horrid and I really feel for you. You are very tired, you have had a baby, these things happen. Hopefully pelvic floor exercises will help. Perhaps ask the HV to pop around to talk through your feelings? There is no shame in having PND, and it is better to face it and get it treated, if indeed you do have it, than leave it like I did. Big hug x

BigPigLittlePig Sun 10-Feb-13 19:41:33

Oh I'm glad somebody tried to cheer the thread back up, it was making for sad reading. catbag I believe I saluted you this morning - consider it repeated. My vote is with merry Monday grin

We've had a lovely time out today at friends - I excelled myself by wolfing down 2 plates of roast dinner (pork) and 2 bowls of pudding (apple & blackberry crumble, and cherry strudel). I'm eating for 2?! (not in a pregnant way before anyone gets ideas). Little pig was a complete charmer all morning, but turned into a demon screamer mid-afternoon due to overtiredness/over stimulation. She's finally nodded off on my chest now smile

We don't have a will, I would want my parents to have LO if anything happened, I have real issues with how my ILs raised their kids. They also failed to notice dh being abused. which probably happens often enough but is something I struggle to understand personally.

Good news - have won a bumbo on ebay so little pig can join the bumbo party late

PurplePidjin Sun 10-Feb-13 19:49:27

Went to Deva a couple of years back and loved it, but it's a helluva way from down here! Bet we have mates in common grin

Did you hear about the man with five willies? His underpants fit like a glove <badumtish>

PetiteRaleuse Sun 10-Feb-13 19:57:09

Detective that's perfectly possible she is a MN blogger too and we read each other's blogs

Passmethecrisps Sun 10-Feb-13 19:57:39

<slaps arse cheek in a jocular manner and passes round virtual wine

Crikey mikey catbag I think I might have a girl crush on your awesomeness. Better watch out if we were ever to meet cuz I might snog yer face off!

MadamGazelleIsMyMum Sun 10-Feb-13 19:59:56

cat amazing.

Re wills and life assurance etc. Think about it, get it done, get it done now, and get proper advice. I know that's expensive but it is worth it. I have seen comes out as a lawyer many a costly mess and heartache brought about by scrimping on good advice, when good advice in the first place would have cost a fraction of the subsequent cost to clear up the mess.

I know fuck all about wills, but the above goes for all things, IMVHO.

Lecture over. But if you dont have a will, do think about it now.

Pikz Sun 10-Feb-13 20:00:43

Cat bag you are a hero. Huge cuddles to supermum!

I'm shattered. LO is still self settling by sucking his hands.

We have a full will and all settlements, LO will go to my mum. As the house is paid off we have my death in service if anything happens to me or DP has a savings account if anything happens to him.

Passmethecrisps Sun 10-Feb-13 20:01:04

I checked out your blog t'other day PR I wuz guid.

I think sometimes that I would like to blog. Then I realise that I have nothing to say! Before babyness I used to teach through blogging. Daily tasks were posted on my blog and the kids posted their results on theirs. They could check out each others, parents could see work covered and pace and I could mark them drinking beer in the pub . Happy days. I am led to believe that this has tailed off since me going on mate leve

zcos Sun 10-Feb-13 20:03:16

toomanydicks I'm not a manual keeping person ... it usually traps with water in ...did last week and dh managed to fix it but now its trapped on dry sad looked up on net how to fix but is lots of instructions I don't understand and think I need to pull machine out told dh he can tackle tommorow he been out all night stayed.at a friend's and got no sleep. dreading this month he is away 3 nights in a row.

zcos Sun 10-Feb-13 20:05:45

oh and thanks.vq think I will give it a couple of days and then contact hv if I feel the same... just feel so frustrated and want to run away!

Sophiathesnowfairy Sun 10-Feb-13 20:12:15

Think zcos needs group hug.((((((hug))))))))

I would like to see your blog pr what is it called? Where do you get the time?

Am still suffering from a two week cold. Pah. Have checked dr google apparently is normal. Am mighty fed up with it.

In other news have found a lump on the right hand side of O's neck, the size of a pea. Have also checked dr google with differing responses. Might get it checked out this week.

TooManyDicksOnTheDancefloor Sun 10-Feb-13 20:14:14

At least it's dry zcos, the clothes won't be ruined, have some wine. Hope your feeling better soon. To cheer you up I'll tell you my wee story. When I was pregnant, not heavily either, I was in morrisons shopping and needed to sneeze. When I did I weed, quite a lot! Wee ran down my legs, I was wearing a long skirt, and filled both of my shoes. I had to pay for my shopping and get out of there while leaving a trail of wet footprints. Embarrassing blush

Sophiathesnowfairy Sun 10-Feb-13 20:16:36

Once, I went to the DR and said " my pmt is dreadful I feel so depressed and want to leave my husband" without even starting a conversation with me about my life at the time ( death of mother, mil with cancer, house move, unhappy in marriage anyway because of emotional bullying and some other stuff) she just put me on Seroxat (anti depressants) I took them for a week and then thought this is rubbish.

I won't tell you what I did next. Was so shocked at how quickly she threw them at me rather than trying any other routes first.

PetiteRaleuse Sun 10-Feb-13 20:18:40

Sophia it's called pint-sized rants. It's just a load of ramblings really. Nothing special but people seem to like reading it. I didn't write much end of last year and early this year, but am trying to get back into it now.

PetiteRaleuse Sun 10-Feb-13 20:21:01

That is shit Sophia I hate the way anti depressants, like anti cholestorol meds are just thrown at people as a catch all solution. They can be great meds, and save lives, but seen as a quick fix by lazy or overworked gps angry

BigPigLittlePig Sun 10-Feb-13 20:26:32

When I did a stint in general practice, the waiting list for counselling (better than meds for mild-moderate depression) was 8 months. I used to say to patients that either they would have got better themselves or using online CBT tools, or be so bad as to be at a point where they needed meds. Unfortunately the mental health services are seriously lacking shit

BigPigLittlePig Sun 10-Feb-13 20:30:40

That said, there is no excuse for not listening to your patient, eg. sophia

ValiumQueen Sun 10-Feb-13 20:41:47

When I was 19 and a student nurse, I had a horrendous stomach bug that affected the exit only. I was on the student transport bus and I felt a rumbling. I was the first off, but unfortunately the white uniform, tights and shoes were very unforgiving.

pass I very nearly put that I have a girl crush on cat grin

zcos Sun 10-Feb-13 20:43:06

thanks for the hug and wine... the clothes are free but soaking wet despite being on dry cycle! clothes on radiators helps that they are tiny I think!
its strange I have been wanting for a long while to have a career change and become a counsellor thought it could be good experience to go on mn and give advice... but its been more like the other way around. about 15% of my colleagues have been off with depression in my work place over the past year some of their stories about waiting for counselling are horrendous but drugs are offered freely!

ValiumQueen Sun 10-Feb-13 20:44:51

With depression I think they just give you a book now. When my brother was admitted (actively suicidal) he was on a constant watch. The ward was full, so knowing I was a RMN they sent him home to me in a taxi at 11pm. I am often ashamed of Mental Health Care services in this country. I, of course, am utterly fabulous.

TheDetective Sun 10-Feb-13 20:48:40

I'm about to throw this laptop out the window. It isn't the laptops fault. Poor laptop. No, its YOU KNOBBERS AT VIRGIN MEDIA. Gaaaaaaaaaah.

Do they not know this thing is my lifeline!!

I want my internet back!

It's hard enough to keep up with out relying on 3G. sad

MadamGazelleIsMyMum Sun 10-Feb-13 20:49:57

VQ how mortifying.

I have bad bladder control and can wet myself in moments of hysteria. Very embarrassing!

sophia DD has a small lump on her head. I mentioned it to the GP once when I was there for something else. The doctor wasn't concerned, but I'll keep an eye on it. Might be worth getting it checked?

I think I'd like to blog, but can't imagine anyone would want to read me twittering on. Might go and have a look at PR's.

ValiumQueen Sun 10-Feb-13 20:50:53

I seem to have my happy boy back. No screaming in pain, happy to be awake, back to normal almost with day sleeps. Perhaps it was the tail end of the virus as we have all had sore tummies, or the caffeine as I was knocking it back somewhat, but it was just cheap instant crap. I think it builds up in babies though. See, I have to blame myself for everything grin

I am not so shattered tonight, not dreading tonight, so just waiting for the third yawn and we will be going to bed. Bit of eye rubbing... Yes, yawn! Goodnight peeps. See you in two hours grin

zcos Sun 10-Feb-13 20:51:53

oh my vq I have ibs (irritable bladder aswell as bowel) always been afraid of something like that happening ... think I know where almost every toilet is though and its the first thing I look for when I arrive anywhere!! Apparently with ibs there is a card you can get that allows priority to loos - get out of jail free card but don't know how to get it and showing it to be people would be no different than going up to everyone and explaining the whole thing in the first place!
think I need to laugh about the weeing myself thing ... dh is starting to make jokes - its how we relate about things just wish I had felt it happen at least else I could just be walking around covered in wee all day.
must ensure I do those pelvic floor exercises ... I must I must improve my pelvic floor etc! wink

Pikz Sun 10-Feb-13 20:53:07

Sophia I have a two week cold too.

LO on third settling of night. No idea why. He's not done this for 5 weeks...sad

Evilwater Sun 10-Feb-13 20:53:20

I'm watching call the midwife. There is a baby with spina bifada, So sad. I'm grateful that all our babies are without disability.


Passmethecrisps Sun 10-Feb-13 20:54:03

sophia p has a lump on the back of her head about pea sized. I got the doc to check and she said it is a gland. I have one on the side of my neck

YellowWellies Sun 10-Feb-13 21:12:56

Went round to see my cousin and his family today for Sunday lunch today - they had the same issues with reflux with their DD so made everything including a Victoria sponge cake - dairy and soy free. So fab grin

I'm not a fan of milk either in terms of drinking it - but by god its hard to avoid when you have to - its everywhere and its the simple things cheese, chocolate and a cuppa I miss. Drinking another animal's breast milk probably isn't v good for us as has been pointed out - when I lived in HK was amused by how gross the Cantonese find the whole concept.

The horsemeat scandal has really made me worry about food labelling when it comes to avoiding dairy etc for DS - we clearly can't trust big corporates to care what the hell they feed us - no chance DS is having follow on milk - its going to be BM and 'real' foods during weaning here. Haha famous last words......

Cat I too have a lady crush on you. What an inspiration to your kids smile

TooManyDicksOnTheDancefloor Sun 10-Feb-13 21:16:51

I was at deva two years ago purple, i got pulled up on stage dressed in rockabilly fancy dress and won the dancing competition. I was very drunk blush

horseylady Sun 10-Feb-13 21:23:29

Lovely day smile ds an absolute superstar!!! Held by so so so many people and just took it all in his stride!!!!

Not giving gaviscon tonight though, his feedings a bit off and he's getting belly ache. So think if I give it at a couple of feeds it shouldn't impact as much.


Dh being odd though. Not sure what his problem is.....

ValiumQueen Sun 10-Feb-13 21:24:33

You realise we have probably scared cat away now.

9.15 asleep with no tears or fight. Too good to be true???

zcos Sun 10-Feb-13 21:25:29

just flipped back a few posts pig I won a bumbo on eBay yesterday 5th attempt! wonder how many of us have been bidding against each other!?

BigPigLittlePig Sun 10-Feb-13 21:29:47

Haha zcos I was fervently pressing refresh on my old and cheap phone whilst feeding LO upstairs at our friends. Dead chuffed we've won one, she went in one at baby group and blummin loved it!

Dondoon Sun 10-Feb-13 21:30:58

What is the facebook group called please?

TheDetective Sun 10-Feb-13 21:31:09

I'm another one who is peeing themselves.

Still waiting for fucking physio. angry

I'm very sad and angry that 11 weeks down the line I've got no health care despite the fact I've said 'helloooo, I don't have the sensation of needing to wee'. I was going to mention this on here the other day. But when I think about weeing, I wee. Whether I'm on rhe toilet or not.

My urethral opening hurts right at the end of a wee, as you draw the sphincter closed. As if it's been damaged.

I need help sad I've had absolutely no improvement in 11 weeks despite doing pelvic floors.

So, pissy ladies, you ain't alone!

I must go kick some ass without piasing myself in the process tomorrow coz it just isn't good enough!

TheDetective Sun 10-Feb-13 21:33:29

And to make matters worse, I bled from my epis site this morning.

BigPigLittlePig Sun 10-Feb-13 21:44:43

det sad and thanks

fruitpastilles Sun 10-Feb-13 21:47:44

Sophia S has one of those lumps as well, hers moves though, HV had a feel and said nothing to worry about but get GP to have a look, so that makes me think it is something to worry about!

Kyzordz Sun 10-Feb-13 21:50:52

That does sound bad detextive really hope someone listens to you soon!

hug zcos

Wow catbag I agree you are indeed superfluous! I have never thought about a will or life insurance. I think I've been awfully naive in assuming nothing will happen to me. I don't even know how you'd go about sorting a will. I'll have to look into it :/ and add it to my list of stuff to do which includes opening LO a bank account and sorting out passports!

Passmethecrisps Sun 10-Feb-13 21:52:09

fruit and soph my gland moves as does P's. get it checked out but I was happy that her lump and mine are the same thing. Better safe than sorry though.

Passmethecrisps Sun 10-Feb-13 21:55:55

I was shat myself in an ongoing dribbly manner as a student teacher.

I had a sore stomach and had wind. I was walking round my class letting out tiny little riffs every so often hoping that noone would notice. I did think that one child smelled bad though. At lunchtime I finally got a chance to go to the loo and realised that all my farting had actually been dribbles of bright orange liquid poo! It was a bit like the grease you get on top of curries. I had another class period 5 and was too scared to ask to go home. Had to sit on the bus like that as well.

If any of the children noticed then they certainly never let on.

Clarella Sun 10-Feb-13 22:00:17

bloody pages13 already???!!!

well I was on the new year catch up.

I'm a dragon, (77) Dh is a dragon (76) and ds is a little dragon too smile

nightmare wknd with breast refusals sad hoping a combo of post jabs plus growth spurt plus we thought 3 drops of coilef ok. it's not. at one point would only feed if I walked about with him hmm had a nice bath though with a lovely feed and done well this evening fx. will attempt to catch up......

fruitpastilles Sun 10-Feb-13 22:01:37

Does it pass? It's probably nothing then, I need to take S to the doctors anyway, I think she has eczema (sp?) so might as well get them to look while I'm there.

Clarella Sun 10-Feb-13 22:03:40

lol pass!!!!!

I played flute accompanying y2 on a song while y6 got ti see my skirt tucked up into my knickers.

ChunkyChicken Sun 10-Feb-13 22:06:42

I shart myself like that pass but thankfully after school when tidying my room, so just picked up my stuff & ran!!

In the embarrassing story vein, we were camping when I was about 11-13yo. Went swimming in a normal swimsuit. Sat near some maybe slightly older girls in a small pool & wondered why they gave me a funny look then left. My right tit was poking out the side of the swimsuit. At that age, I was mortified.

I am now sat with my right tit out & couldn't give a shit.... grin

Clarella Sun 10-Feb-13 22:07:00

oh hugs to so many people. thanks

Clarella Sun 10-Feb-13 22:09:33

we swim with our kids as sen - tits often escape during 'incidents'. I wear a teeshirt for this reason! not sure I don't have spiders legs though

daisychain76 Sun 10-Feb-13 22:10:27

On the mental health thing, in my area now they prioritise women who have had babies in the last year and they basically jump straight to the top of the waiting list for counselling/CBT. Don‘t know if it‘s the same elsewhere, but if anyone is dithering about asking for help, is worth doing so now just in case it is.

BigPigLittlePig Sun 10-Feb-13 22:12:59

We went swimming when on holiday in a hideously busy pool. Dsd announced she needed a poo (now) so I lifted her out the pool and jumped out the pool, bypassing ladder. Unfortunately my bikini bottoms stayed in the water. My bottom did not blush

Dsd has also done a floater in a little beach stream i pretended she was nothing to do with me

And to complete the hat-trick, on a school camping trip my best friend went to the loo and returned to announce that she had somehow managed to get actual rabbit droppings inside her knickers, presumably on the previous toilet trip envy <<not a jealous face

Off to bed, wishing good nights for one and all.

BigPigLittlePig Sun 10-Feb-13 22:14:04

I have a particularly childish sense of humour. Am very much enjoying the poo stories grin

YellowWellies Sun 10-Feb-13 22:14:15

I've started getting a bit of bleeding I presume from my epis / where I had internal stitching esp after DTD - should I give my doc an exciting change from reflux consults? blush

ComradeJing Sun 10-Feb-13 22:19:28

Gosh... lots of hugs to all.


DS just slept from 10;30 dreamfeed to 6am

TheDetective Sun 10-Feb-13 22:23:43

I was just going to bury my head in the sand. I have a clinic appt on 7th March, after my demanding a second opinion. So I will wait til then I guess.

Hey, at least we aren't alone YW! I'm assuming it just isn't healed yet. But who knows.

Just read all the way back through the thread and nearly snorted at

Cat soup recipe please!

I mean I know we are all getting used to eating horse but really...

Anyway I won't say I pmsl as that is a sensitive subject but I came close. Personally I find my problem is more with accidental trumping than wee, even harder to cover up.

L has one of those little lumps, the GP said it was a gland.

Just felt so sad this evening. On the verge of tears. Not sure why. Had dinner at Mum's and the atmosphere was really weird although I don't know why. Then they all started quizzing me on 'why I looked sad' - you're not allowed to look anything other than blandly cheerful in my family. It was a bit much. Anyway. It's been a nice weekend and I feel sad DH will be back at work tomorrow. But it's not just that. Maybe it was the small g'n't I had before dinner. Dunno.

ComradeJing Sun 10-Feb-13 22:32:29


This is what happens when you are stuck bfing and have a toddler.

DD came in just after I last posted. She had a toothbrush in her mouth that had NOT been used yet, holding her toothpaste and asking to brush her teeth.

The toothbrush was DRIPPING wet.

There is only one source of water in the bathroom that she could have reached.

envy <- not an envy face.

Do I just boil her in bleach or assume that this is not the most disgusting thing she will do as a child?

ComradeJing Sun 10-Feb-13 22:33:41

blonde G&T can make some people a bit weepy. ((((hugs)))) to you too.

Passmethecrisps Sun 10-Feb-13 22:36:45

blonder you can't be full of the joys of spring every day! I know what you mean about blandly happy. I was always getting aske what was
Wrong with me as a younger woman. Nothing really - sometimes just feel heavy shouldered. Tomorrow is usually better

I have such an adolescent sense of humour. I love stories about poo and pee. If you can't laugh . . . Seriously zcos I would cry in your boat too. I hope you are feeling a bit better. I think none of us are as quite as toned as we used to be.

kirrinIsland Sun 10-Feb-13 22:49:39

cat you are very strong thanks

comrade think of it as strengthening the immune system smile

Glad you had a lovely day horsey

dondoon the Facebook group is Nov 12 babies (picture of a bump with a flower on it)

Can I put in a request for Merry Monday please?! Wills etc are very important but too depressing to think about for too long! And I couldn't read the drawers story on facebook as I just cannot cope with that sort of thing. I can't decide if that is a normal part of being a parent or if it's going a bit too far with me. I am constantly anxious about something happening to the girls, which I know is normal, but it's all the time. And if I hear an awful story I can't stop thinking about it and I get a bit panicky. I lost my Mum last year so have just learnt that horrible things don't just happen to other people <charmed life emoticon>

StuntNun Sun 10-Feb-13 23:08:57

You just need a solicit it's appointment Fruit. Have an idea about who you want as executors (who oversee the execution of your will which basically mean instructing solicitors), trustees (look after the money until your children are 18/21/25 whichever age you pick) and the guardians you wish to look after your children. You can give then a list of bank accounts, life insurance policies, etc. if you want but this doesn't have to be done as part of the will, you can add that to the solicitor's copy later. If you have any valuables or heirlooms you can either specify who you want them left to in your will or you can add a note in to go with your will as instruction to your executors. It's about £90 for a single will or £135 for mirror wills for a couple. If you want to change your will in the future, e.g. when you win the lottery when your children are adults, it costs £40ish to write a codicil. Easy peasy so don't delay.

GTbaby Mon 11-Feb-13 00:03:19

Another day missed. And another day ill never catch up on

So instead ill bore u with my day.
Nieces bday yesterday. So late one. Gave LO feed at 12 and he slept till 10am ! The darling must know mummy is working hard ATM n needs rest wink.
So then lounged around till 1. DH took over n I came bk to bed. Lol. Went to mums for dinner. N bk to bed I come. grin

Keep thinking with dc2 on the way I must finish dc1 blanket! Must dig it out and start knitting. N only then can I think about nxt project. Which I think will be a crochet blanket for the new fraggle.

Can't believe ill be able to say I have two under 1... And they ain't twins!

ValiumQueen Mon 11-Feb-13 00:12:48

My mum : are you OK? (With intent staring)

Me : I'm fine.

My Mum : have you got a headache? (Leanimg towards me and staring intently)

Me : no. I'm fine (agitation in my voice)

My mum : you look like you have a headache (frowning with hands in lap)

Me : I am just tired mum (trying to take her words as caring)

My mum : you don't look well dear.

Me : (perhaps too loudly) I have not slept for 15 (fucking) weeks so I think I am allowed to look a bit tired.

My mum : should you see the doctor?

Me : not unless he can make my baby sleep.

Every fucking time I see her. Drives me potty!

DS slept 2.5 hours. I woke him with my cough I think, then he started coughing.

ValiumQueen Mon 11-Feb-13 00:19:29

GT a summary of todays chat :

Sad stories to encourage writing of wills and sorting life assurance.

More sad news items to remind us to secure all furniture to the wall, and give our LOs an extra closer cuddle.

And stories of incontinence.

We plan to be more upbeat monday.

Btw. I still have discomfort and bleeding from epi nearly 7 years on.

TheDetective Mon 11-Feb-13 01:07:56

Fuck VQ that isn't normal. As in you shouldn't have to put up with that. Have you spoken to your GP about it?

I will not put up with the pain. I'll be the pain. In my GP's arse. See how they like it...! grin

Fartalot here also. Literally just let rip the most loudest embarrassing fart ever. And I'm lay in bed next to DP who has learned to just ignore the terrible noises. I lost control in that department when pregnant and clearly havent regained it!

I have to go to the GP tomorrow now. They will be sick of the sight of me. But I have to. Just had a split condom on ovulation day. Frickin' great. DP's speciality shredding condoms. MAP here we come. No offence GT but I definitely don't want to be able to say I have 2 under 1!!!!! grin

How many times are you allowed the MAP in your life? I reckon I've had it about 6/7 times in 12 years now. Is that bad?? blush

Clearly need more reliable contraception. But nothing works well for me. Have the combined pill, took 1st one then forgot for 2 days. As you do when you are so busy with a baby!

TheDetective Mon 11-Feb-13 01:08:31

Sorry for the huuuuuugely TMI! blush

ValiumQueen Mon 11-Feb-13 03:21:02

It is not that bad now detective but was one of the many reasons I was happy to have a section.

DS woke and self settled at 1am, then DH kept me awake for ages with coughing fits. Just given J (at 3am) a 15 min dream feed really. He did not open his eyes at all. May hear from him again shortly. There he goes!

ValiumQueen Mon 11-Feb-13 03:28:46

He is now seeming to be in lots of pain, arched back etc. I don't know....

ValiumQueen Mon 11-Feb-13 03:52:51

Try again..... He is just so squishy and snuggly. The fact I think that shows I am having a better night eh?

zcos Mon 11-Feb-13 04:13:53

taking me longer and longer to read these threads as dd keeps tapping screen with her paw while she eats and it goes back to home!!
blonde glad I made you laugh with the whole cat soup thing! I can't really re-read what I'm typing on phone and hard to edit maybe worth it for gems like that thoughgrin
I feel like putting my cats in soup at the moment ... they were sick in the bathroom.this morning on towel that had fallen from the floor! ... I just threw it away! ... they also keep mewing to be in the living room with us when they didn't use to if I wanted a cuddle I would have to go and collect them.
det sorry sending a hug your problems make mine pail in comparrison hope you get results when you kick ass sure you will.
oh and washing machine has been fixed by dh before bed grin put it on a cycle and its finished no problems ... yay I have bras for the morning... I only like a few that I have. why do some have bones in the side? ouch? and I don't feel comfortable without a bra on 24 /7 at the mo nipples being v sensitiveshock
dh is a sleep tease has missed 4am feed past 2 nights not tonight sad

zcos Mon 11-Feb-13 04:31:36

sooo ... what light jovial topics will we talk of in the morn... hope I get back to sleep now...had to put turtle (sounds of the sea) on for dh (yes dh) to sooth back to sleep.
it works for me too I imagine I'm in Rhodes (one of my spiritual homes) it should be mumbles really but brrrrr!
could be a new thread ...what is your spiritual home/homes apart from where you live or lived as a child.
The other place for me apart from Pefkos&lindos Rhodes and mumbles is Larghne near Carmarthen ...(really doesn't look like that's spelt right). shock I am not sure why ...Mumbles I have been to loads dh parents have a appartment there (mil is a vicar so their home is not theirs so they have that instead). The other two I have been too 2 (rodos) and 4times but there is something about them. Maybe I have been there in a former life...if that sort of thing exists!

PetiteRaleuse Mon 11-Feb-13 04:57:30

Well this is weird. LO woke at 5 so has now been awake for an hour. Happy and giggling and feeding. I don't want to get used to this. I have warned her she'll be grounded if she does this again. She laughed.

PetiteRaleuse Mon 11-Feb-13 05:02:30

My spiritual home is France, and I'm here. I've not found my forever part of France yet, though I would say Paris probably. I lived there for ten tears, but there were bad memories so we moved away. It was home though, where I'd always dreamed of living.

Damn. Just had massive spit up. Going to need to change her. Merry Monday is not starting brilliantly for me.

PetiteRaleuse Mon 11-Feb-13 05:12:49

Oooooh pancake day tomorrow. That's cheered me up. Hoping it's not the baby vom that brought pancake batter to mind.

You're welcome grin

ChunkyChicken Mon 11-Feb-13 05:21:48

DS accepted the dummy a couple of hrs ago so did 7+hrs which is good. I'm hoping he'll just suddenly drop the 5am feed like DD did, & go until 7am. He's bigger than she was so surely he could go longer at night already??!!

DH off to a work conference today assuming the snow isn't too bad. So will have my 2 alone for 2 nights. On the plus side, things might stay tidy...

I haven't strayed far from "home" really. A few holidays, not many abroad, & a few yrs in Manchester at uni. Loved Manchester. Also loved Stockholm when we did a day there on our honeymoon cruise. Think it was the only place I'd move to on the basis of a holiday visit. Otherwise, I generally feel home is where your hat/heart is...

VQ sorry you're having a rough night & its not due to DS atm, although glad he's cute smile

Uh oh. DS is finished feeding so I'd better go to sleep before I suddenly spend an extra hr awake, on here...

kirrinIsland Mon 11-Feb-13 05:23:53

Well, N took ages to settle tonight as she's very snuffly, but once she did she's been pretty good - this is the first feed of the night, which is pretty good going for her!

My feeding is not going so well! I won't list the crap sugary stuff I ate yesterday because I'm too embarrassed to, but suffice to say, there was far too much of it and I just couldn't say no blush

cat in awe of braveness and soup making skills!!

det & vq that's isn't good - why should women put up with such poor health service!!! Kick ass and privates so they have an inkling as to how a broken fanjo feels

I woke up at 4 and couldn't sleep - leaky boobs soaked the bed - that's not happened for weeks!! Dots woke at 5 so leaky boob shoved in gob!!

Hopefully another 90 mins sleep is had!!

PetiteRaleuse Mon 11-Feb-13 05:43:45

LO went back down to sleep and I stayed up to do the ironing. This is completely out of character for me.

YellowWellies Mon 11-Feb-13 05:47:54

Talk of 2 under 1 year old makes me feel faint! confused Good night here he's just nodding off on me amidst rippling farts (his!) hope he doesn't get woken by DH's alarm in 45 mins...

PetiteRaleuse Mon 11-Feb-13 05:55:18

Lots of snow here

TheTiger Mon 11-Feb-13 06:07:37

<arrives fashionably late>

I have been meaning to sort life assurance and a will since being pregnant. I am definity going to do it this week. DH does have sonething through work that i would get should the worst happen. Just need to decide who DS would go to. Dont really want him to go to either of our parents for various reasons. My sister would take him i know, but DH wouldnt be happy with that as she makes completely different lifestyle choices to me. However, i am named as guardian for her daughter should i ever need to be.

I cant read sad stories about babies/ mums dying, it makes me anxious and sad.

Last year on pancake day we found out i was pregnant! Wont be repeating that this year! Anyone else get a pancake day BFP?

I wont discuss my epis scar and pelvic floor due to it now being merry monday! I suggest the first discussion to be 'what do you have on your pancakes?' Sugar and lemon for me. Fresh lemon, not jif! DH likes nutella, yuck!

PurplePidjin Mon 11-Feb-13 06:14:01

kirrin are you the poster who's eaten 48 creme eggs this weekend?!

kirrinIsland Mon 11-Feb-13 06:22:24

No pidjin - but possibly only because of a lack of creme eggs in the house! Actually, that's not true - I hate creme eggs, and 48 is insane shock My intake involved coke and cakes rather than sweets.

tiger Lemon and sugar are the only things to go on a pancake as far as I am concerned - anything else is just silly smile

N appears to have farted herself to sleep. Honestly, she's really not very lady-like. She smelt so bad I had to check her nappy twice as I couldn't believe it wasn't dirty.

PurplePidjin Mon 11-Feb-13 06:28:03


No sleep for me - madam wanted to play and chat!!!

We had pancakes yesterday as tomorrow will be too manic with school discos and other things - it's got to be sugar and lemon or maple syrup nom nom

PetiteRaleuse Mon 11-Feb-13 06:53:29

There are advantages to getting up at 5 (never thought I'd say that).

It's not even 8 and the kitchen is clean, the ironing and laundry are done.

StuntNun Mon 11-Feb-13 07:21:27

Maple syrup is nice but lemon and sugar is divine!

I had a terrible night with J up for an hour and a half from midnight. I was getting to the point of being too tired to look after him I think I could have slept through crying. DH had the insane bright idea if starting controlled crying at 1 a.m. Idiot. Talk about the worst time to start sleep training. I rocked and nursed J to sleep instead since that's what he's used to.

DH isn't speaking to me in a being superficially pleasant but avoiding me as much as possible way. I got upset with DS2 yesterday when he started berating me for not playing his Skylanders game correctly with him. I was shocked to hear his father's manner from a six year old. Particularly as I had just been berated by DH for not running J's bath correctly (he had only run in cold water so I was letting some out before putting hot in otherwise it would have been too deep). DH really needs to sort himself out now the children are copying his behaviour. Although I wonder if the damage is done now and they can't be fixed.

His parents think everything would be okay if I did all the housework and looked after the kids all the time. blush Tbh I wouldn't mind doing that so much if I didn't have to clear up after him as well. He had left a trail of destruction behind him (bib on the bathroom floor, baby clothes etc. strewn around the change mat, kids' swimming bags and floats lying on the hall and kitchen floor) and was ready to slope off to bed. I called him on it and he said he would tidy up and then I could 'inspect the house' to make sure he was finished. I said I wasn't doing that it was up to him to tidy up after himself. Then when he was done (which took about two minutes) he asked me if I had any more chores I wanted done tonight. angry Honestly he wouldn't do that at work. Imagine leaving papers all over a meeting room or empty coffee cups strewn about the place. So why is it okay to do it at home?

Sorry about the epic me me me post, I needed to get that off my chest. If you post in Relationships all you get is 'Leave the Bastard', there doesn't seem to be any advice on rescuing an emotionally abusive relationship. If only he was a little bit more introspective but I don't think he realises what was done to him as a child. His dad is a narcissist, I don't know about his mum but she was neglected as a child which I'm sure leaves its mark. When I asked DH whether he was abused as a child he got really angry with me and went on about how his parents love him. He doesn't understand that they can love their children but still make mistakes with the way they treat them, and each other. Just the way he's trying to be a good husband and dad but isn't managing to avoid the mistakes his parents made.

Catbag Mon 11-Feb-13 07:22:13

48 Creme eggs?! Eww. I can't eat one, I think they are just revolting. I could probably eat the straight chocolate equivalent in one sitting though smile

Sophiathesnowfairy Mon 11-Feb-13 07:32:03

detective you can get it from the pharmacy theses days but is about twenty quid.

MadamGazelleIsMyMum Mon 11-Feb-13 07:46:20

I could probably eat close to 48 creme eggs over a whole weekend blush. I love 'em.

detective you need to do that quiet but fucking deadly, like a ninja assertive attitude with the GP, and refuse to be fobbed off.

stunt no advice, but ((((hugs)))). I know what you mean about the relationships board.

kirrin totally agree re pancake toppings.

I had a good night's sleep but an appalling nightmare that I am feeling sad and guilty over. Wont go into detail, but a "Sophie's Choice" situation presented itself. Even typing that has set me off again.

So, Merry Monday, eh? Well, I am happy that DS seems to be getting back to the good sleep only because I caved can let him follow his own routine of bed at 9pm, not 7pm, and let him sleep in my bed, that DD left for nursery where she is in a new room really happily, that I have a quiet day with just me and DS today one of the rare occasions my poor second child gets some of my attention and that my friend is coming to see me today.

horseylady Mon 11-Feb-13 07:58:29

stunt not sure what to say? He sounds like a bully and someone who needs some sort of therapy. I don't know what to say though other than I hope you and your sons are not at risk.

Ds has just eaten all his breakfast. With no gaviscon in. I don't think he likes gaviscon. Now someone has suggested trying sma staydown but I think I should give the gaviscon a go just perhaps only on three of his feeds? It is really working!!

fruitpastilles Mon 11-Feb-13 08:00:51

Well it's a merry Monday for me so far. S slept from 8:30 until 7 and only woke once at 3 for her dummy, I went straight back to sleep for once grin
I looooove creme eggs, I could eat loads, I want to try them new egg n spoons but the diet won't allow it hmm lol!
Deffo just sugar and lemon on pancakes for me too.

Oooh I won a bumbo on eBay last night so S can also finally join the bumbo gang. I got it for £10.50 how much did you all get yours for off eBay?

PetiteRaleuse Mon 11-Feb-13 08:03:07

That sounds really hard to deal with Stunt . thanks unfortunately we do tend to copy our parents' behaviour, for better or for worse. DH is messy because he was always cleaned up after, and I honestly am the same. We both seethe and resent the other when we tidy, me more so atm as I am here so do more.

It's not too late for your son; you can teach him respect, but it will be harder if your DH acts like a bit of a twat.

Floors mopped. It's 9am and I am knackered. Going to wake LO and she is going to have a busy day. She is not getting me up at 5 tomorrow morning.

PetiteRaleuse Mon 11-Feb-13 08:05:58

Pancakes: lemon and sugar. DH puts jam on them which is just so wrong.

Creme eggs: I used to miss them when I left the UK and bought some last year. Vile. Too sweet. Those caramel eggs though?? Mmmmmmmmm.

I have a question, may seem silly, but really bugging me.

How much are you LO's drinking and how often??

MadamGazelleIsMyMum Mon 11-Feb-13 08:16:16

Charlee DS is now FF, he has approx 6-7 bottles a day, between 7am and 9pm. Each bottle has 7oz in it. Sometimes he drains all 7oz. Sometimes he takes as little as 3oz. I'd say he averages approx 40oz per day. He's 14 weeks old and has got to be approx 14lbs now.

ValiumQueen Mon 11-Feb-13 08:22:28

madame Sophie's Choice is not for discussion today <<howls>>

:O holy mackerel sad

DD is 12 weeks old, drinking between 2 and 4 oz every 4/5 hours, sleeps from 8pm til 3am has a feed then goes back to sleep until 6 then will wait until 8am for another bottle. Shes averaging about 18 oz a day!

I havent been able to go and see the HV because she wont come to home address and LO has been poorly with a cold and chicken pox!!

I got her weighed 2 weeks ago (so 10 weeks) and she was 11lb 6oz (6lb 7.5oz born)

ChunkyChicken Mon 11-Feb-13 08:25:33

Ooooh fancy a creme egg now but not 48 of them!!

Lemon & sugar.

stunt that sounds really difficult. My DH is an untidy fucker. His DM is too. Although she is cleaner than me in the sense she hoovers, dusts etc more her place is always littered with stuff. It makes my fingers itch. I mean, the dining table is covered with letters, newspapers, magazines etc. When I lived there, I used to try to tidy it into organised piles but it didn't work. I digress... I tell DH its a respect thing. If he doesn't put our car key back in the same correct place, I can't find it, that's unfair. If he doesn't put laundry in the wash basket then I don't know its dirty etc. I refuse to clean up after him and the kids. It's not fair. But he doesn't have a go at me thankfully - he just doesn't see the mess. Have you considered relationship counselling? Don't worry about the boys, they're young enough to unlearn their behaviours, although they need to see a better example iyswim.

stunt no advice chick as I'm in a relationship pickle at the moment though hugs for you x

We've got snow here!! Dottie went to cm's all smiles monkey!!! Once I've dropped dd off at school I am all by myself until 4pm - I should blitz the house but then think why the fuck should I do all the tidying up when I didn't make all the mess??? Might just go to bed - am feeling very tearful the past few days and don't know why - the last time I felt like this....... Nooooooooo soooooo not going there!!!!

horseylady Mon 11-Feb-13 08:35:06

Around 36-40oz a day. 5-6 feeds.

15 weeks prob weighs about 13-14lbs

ValiumQueen Mon 11-Feb-13 08:35:15

charlee your LO will eat when hungry - they are all different. Is the pox gone now? I was wondering how things were but could not remember which LO had it.

stunt thanks sorry not awake enough for sensible advice.

Sugar and Jif lemon. Will have them with maple syrup if I have to.

Creme eggs. Once ate six in quick succession. Not really fancied them since as I was a bit green.

Nor feeling very merry. Half term here so having requests for crafts and activities from all sides, plus the constant 'I'm hungry'

ValiumQueen Mon 11-Feb-13 08:36:51

I am pretty much caffeine free. Just on decaf now, but a small bit of choc might have got in my system. No coke for ages either. No fizzy. Not tackled the dairy yet <<howls again>>

Passmethecrisps Mon 11-Feb-13 08:40:42

Good meowning,

It is DH and my first anniversary today. Considering the amount of snot going about in crisp towers it will be a lust free anniversary.

Passmethecrisps Mon 11-Feb-13 08:47:55

charlee p is 13 weeks today. She had 6 bottles per day all of 150ml. She will drink anything between 90ml to the full 150ml. On a good day she might take 24oz but recently has been on 18-21oz. I am teaching myself not to get frantic about daily changes in amounts. She was weighed last Tuesday and was 11Ib 7oz

zcos Mon 11-Feb-13 08:48:16

fruit you beat me ... Drat! is that including postage...I was feeling quite good my bumbo was £17 including postage.
stunt yeah think you need to talk things through proper and maybe he does...think I have narcasistic mother - how do you really tell though? and I was v worried about turning into her think being aware of the selfish behaviour I felt I couldn't help 10 years ago was the start of me stopping it. Mum is a dragon too and born 3 days before dd (and 60 years earlier) I panic sometimes will they turn out the same.
cluster feeding wearing me down again 7-11 last night thinking of formula feed again.
cluster feeds in the night -told me I was going to loose the fight... to the tune of weathering heights! grin
is no-one else going to take me up on the spiritual home topic.
re pancakes yeah sugar and lemon...raisens in the mix too. though I think it will be limes this year (order of 1 was not available for online shop so got 6 instead).shock
needing to wee all the time ...but think I may have dd cold sad

ValiumQueen Mon 11-Feb-13 08:54:03

Spiritual home - haven't got one. Not really sure what the phrase means to be honest.

Congratulations Mr&MrsCrisps

Passmethecrisps Mon 11-Feb-13 08:54:41

What about Nutella on pancakes?

MadamGazelleIsMyMum Mon 11-Feb-13 08:59:45

Congratulations crisps

charlee totally agree with VQ (as always). If your baby is gaining weight and seems happy, then they probably are. Every baby is different. DS is chunky and very long, he is also a real snacker, can only go a couple of hours - 3 at an absolute push - without more.

zcos Mon 11-Feb-13 09:04:25

vq sorry my posts are so long bet no ones reading them...by spiritual home I meant somewhere that feels undeniably like home in a way you can't put your finger on a place that you long to be. I am very lucky to have moved to the little village that I felt at home in when I walked through it with dh 7.5 years ago! grin (had driven through as a child) ...it seemed almost magical ...I think I only see it through rose tinted spectacles though which could be a bad thing raising a child here!!

zcos Mon 11-Feb-13 09:08:05

just realised I have confused that spiritual home thing again my other homes were Pefkos&lindos in Rhodes and Larghne near Carmarthen although I have only had holidays in both places a handful of times.
oh and congrats Mr and Mrs crisps too did you get anything for each other? its paper isn't it first year?

TooManyDicksOnTheDancefloor Mon 11-Feb-13 09:08:54

B feeds 6 times a day, I don't know how much she takes but when i've given her expressed milk in a bottle she's taken a maximum of 4oz and this seems to be the most I can express from one breast at a time. So she must have around 24oz a day. She was 11lb at 9 weeks.

I love pancakes but it's my birthday tomorrow so we're going out for tea. I might make myself pancakes for breakfast grin

((((Hugs)))) stunt

I wouldn't say I've got a spiritual home but I felt most at peace and well rested on holiday in France two years ago. We stayed in a family members cottage in Montignac, Dordogne. It was totally cut-off down a country lane and had a huge garden. It was just so quiet and peacefull, I loved it.

Good, im glad to be honest. When reading the milk tin that shes on (Nutramigen Lipil 1 as has a cows milk allergy) The amount shes on is for a 2-4 weeks old baby I nearly dropped down! Thought I was doing something wrong! She was 10lb 6oz at 7 weeks so she is gaining weight but her 'line' in her red book has dropped - although she is still above 50th centile.

vq she has been a bit grizzly, they have all scabbed over now, but there is one above her eyebrow which I think the top must have burst as she got fluff in it and its now scabbed over the fluff. In 2 minds whether to get the tweezers out after a bath and try and get it out or hope it comes off with the scab...

Passmethecrisps Mon 11-Feb-13 09:28:20

charlee p is on exactly the same formula. I get myself into a right state logging every feed and getting stressed if it looks like she is not going to take much. Yesterday p took 18oz which according to the pack is much too little. Your LO is obviously a good, healthy weight so I don't think you should be concerned.

zcos no gifts. Not even a card! I was offered a shag this morning but listening to P coughing and spluttering was hardly a turn on! We will have a nice meal later and probably open one of he borked of champagne left over from the wedding. I suppose there have been plenty of hankies being passed about so paper it is!

PetiteRaleuse Mon 11-Feb-13 09:29:26

LO very rarely drinks what it says she should on the packet. She gets through 600-750ml a day, sometimes less. She never has the 800+ the packet says. DD1 was the same and she was on 98 th centile for her first 20 months.

TooManyDicksOnTheDancefloor Mon 11-Feb-13 09:30:06

Congratulations pass, who says romance is dead eh?

fruitpastilles Mon 11-Feb-13 09:33:37

Happy anniversary pass.

No zcos, £10.50 was just for the bumbo, the postage was £6 so £16.50 altogether!

Charlee, S only has 4 bottles a day, she has 7oz in each of them so 28 altogether, in fact I didn't realise she only had 4 bottles a day until now, I thought she had more oops!
She got weighed last week and at 12 weeks is 12lb12oz she's getting a right little chunk aswell considering she only has 4 bottles a day so I wouldn't worry, your LO will have more when hungry!

ChunkyChicken Mon 11-Feb-13 09:38:11

Congrats pass

DS has discovered his hands!! He lay there starring at them yesterday at 13wo exactly & has done it again today. No idea if that's early, late, 'normal', but it is cute... Don't think DD did that much - she went almost straight to grasping things I think. DS has been batting at his toys for a few wks, but only just opening his fists. They grow so quickly!!! <wibbly bottom lip emoticon>

Evilwater Mon 11-Feb-13 09:38:34

n has woken up and been very grumpy, he didn't even want his bottle this morning envy I spent over an hour trying to get him to drink something. shock

Something tells me it's going to be a long day.

Spiritual home - unfortunately not found that - I've moved 34 times since I was 15 - this house is the longest I've lived in one place (8yrs in August) but I hate the house and the only reason is cos I'm with dh, before then I'd move after every relationship ended or when I got itchy feet my nan says I must have gypsy blood I think my spiritual home is somewhere in Norwich - lived there for 10 yrs and miss it so much - I'm not an Essex bird sad

Congratulations pass was LO a wedding night/honeymoon baby?? It's our 6th wedding anniversary on 24th - candy yum yum!!

Back to bed with a pile of lemon curd on toast and a bucket of tea!!!

StuntNun Mon 11-Feb-13 09:41:18

I don't have a spiritual home Zcos but I've always had a hankering to emigrate to Tahiti even though I'm afraid of flying!

I was wondering how things were going with you and your DH Glenda. Any improvement? We've only been having real problems since J arrived but I think the seeds were there before that IYSWIM. I think DH needs help but his reaction is always to bury his head in the sand. He needs help but doesn't want it. I'm away at my parents' for a week from Saturday so I'll have a break then. It's just something we need to work on together.

This baby better hurry up with his second breakfast, I have an appointment at the asthma clinic in 20 minutes. How can they feed and sleep at the same time? He's sucking away but I swear he was snoring a minute ago.

PurplePidjin Mon 11-Feb-13 09:42:41

I don't think I have a "spiritual home" but then I've not travelled as much as I'd have liked so maybe just haven't found it yet?

Zcos I read but don't really have anything interesting to say hence short posts and rants that are meant for ignoring!

Well, lesson is tomorrow. I have a nasty cold - luckily R hasn't got it, fuck knows how! - and I'm at my folks so mum can look after R so I can finish my lesson. And their computer has a virus. Fuck.

YellowWellies Mon 11-Feb-13 09:46:00

Creme eggs bleeeee bleurgh ick gak.... might as well just eat a bag of sugar envy now mini eggs or a feck off massive monster of an Easter egg - hell yeah. DH is buying me eggs and saving them until I can eat dairy again. I nearly cried when I saw them at the supermarket sad

Pancakes with golden syrup mmmmm going to try to make with oat milk.....

Spiritual home - hmmm Glastonbury village? Rocamador in the lot in France? Jericho in Oxford? Aberdour in Fife? I think despite having lived all over that I'm still looking for my spiritual home. I have to live somewhere beautiful or else I feel really down.... Maybe that's because I'm a horse in Chinese astrology but I've been a restless address book wrecker for years confused

DS woke up when his Dad got in the shower - he's showering in the evening from now on! and potentially sleeping in the spare room! Yawn. Wee man has just crashed and burned on me - sigh wish I could snooze too.

Stunt I would really struggle to be spoken to like that - its passive aggressive and very disrespectful sad how do you respond? I don't know what to advise - it must be hard at times to love someone like that confused <hugs>

Passmethecrisps Mon 11-Feb-13 09:46:32

stunt baby multitasking!

P was a honeymoon baby. I thought I might be pregnant on our first anniversary - wasn't expecting to have an actual baby!

PurplePidjin Mon 11-Feb-13 09:46:59

Oh, and my bumbo is costing my a fiver from another mum at clinic, my friend is collecting it tomorrow for me as she'll be there anyway and I forgot about the interview when I made the arrangement!

ChunkyChicken Mon 11-Feb-13 09:48:51

I find that if DS doesn't have a good 7 feeds inc the bedtime feed, he wakes more in the night. So yesterday he had a 2am, 5am, 7.30am feed then every 2hrs until lunch, then 3 in the afternoon/evening, so slept through until 5am. He took 5oz ebm in the 2 bottles he had on Sat, which is also what I got from expressing, so guess he drinks a lot in a day!!!

stunt mine does that too. Woe betide you if you take him off too soon...

I have missed so much!

My sister came to visit for the weekend and we had a lovely time. I have 3 sisters scattered all over the world. I miss them.

Went out for a lovely dinner, DP was on double duty. Then amazing sister offered to look after DD's on Sunday morning. I slept in spare room and had lay in until 11am! First lay in in 19 weeks!

cat I think we should move into a commune with our twins and make soup. You sound like super mum with your brood! 2 under 6 months is enough for me at the moment grin

ChunkyChicken Mon 11-Feb-13 09:53:05

zcos I did reply at 5am... confused

pass I had a BFP on honeymoon with DD. That was a bit of a shock - had to do the test in a public toilet as we couldn't check into our hotel yet blush

I got bargain from a second hand sale at Twins club when I was pregnant. Got a play mat, 2 Bumbos with trays, one bouncy chair and an inflatable play ring for 50 quid, all in great condition. DT2 likes the Bumbo but DT1 hates it and will not sit in it for more than 5 minutes.

BigPigLittlePig Mon 11-Feb-13 10:02:13

Merry Monday everyone – I am merry because LO has only woken once between 11 and 7 for the past few nights although this does involve sleeping in our bed

I know what you mean about the relationships board, I once asked a question after dh had been a bit of a nob, and specifically asked for constructive advice and that I would not leave him. Only advice I got? Leave the bastard. Er thanks for that… His mum waited on him hand and food so he used to be dreadful around the house, he is now less dreadful due to my nagging but he just doesn’t see mess, clutter, cat hair etc.

fruit I got my bumbo for £6 and am collecting it – bargainous!
horsey we played around with the gaviscon having gone in on the max dose, all guns blazing – she only needs 1 or 2 now to keep on top of things so reducing your Los down to 3 sounds like a good idea.
pass congrats – it’s dh and my 1st anniversary in a fortnight – we got our bfp 2 days before we went on honeymoon blush

Not so merry (sorry gt) was my nightmare – was pregnant again. Cemented the thought that I don’t want any more just yet!

fruitpastilles Mon 11-Feb-13 10:07:33

Damn, I thought I'd got a bargain with my bumbo, clearly not lol

Sophiathesnowfairy Mon 11-Feb-13 10:25:16

passi luvs Nutella on pancakes!

Happy Mondays for me too. A quiet day with boys. Off to toddler group in the snow.

Sophiathesnowfairy Mon 11-Feb-13 10:28:21

What criteria does a place need to have to be a spiritual home.

stunt I am over in NI at the end of Feb, shall I Coe and bop home on the nose and tell him to pick his shit up? wink Feel for you. brew thanks. How long does it take you to get to Banbridge?

Sophiathesnowfairy Mon 11-Feb-13 10:32:14

Can I have the prize for being the person who makes the most I pad typos in the place?

StuntNun Mon 11-Feb-13 10:47:24

Don't worry Fruit I bought mine new <stupid person never looked on eBay emoticon>

He's not all bad YW, he tries hard but I think he has the triple whammy of an abused childhood, very stressful job that involves frequent travelling, and three demanding children given that one has SN and another is a baby. I think the stress and lack of sleep is bringing out the worst in him, as it does to a lot of people. His parents aren't very supportive and mine are too far away so it's just us vs. the world really.

I'm 50 minutes from Banbridge Sophia. Do you know the area well? There's a brilliant leisure centre in Lisburn that your older kids would love: www.lisburncity.gov.uk/lagan-valley-leisureplex/.

ChunkyChicken Mon 11-Feb-13 10:56:20

Have a biscuit for your ham-fistedness sophia grin (although I know how goddamn slow the said Apple device is - it can never keep up with my typing & does the most horrendous auto-corrects!!)

My DM has had to cancel her appts today due to snow, so she's coming over to help with the housework, so I can play with DD (& DS when he isn't feeding &/or sleeping). Bless her!!

Was going out to see some pg yoga mums again - we're all on #2, our DDs are all similar ages & 3 of the 4 of us have DSs now too. Unfortunately, the littlest LO, 1mo on Wed, has a cough, so she cancelled having us all over to let him get better/go to the Dr. Shame but important to take coughs in LO seriously, as we know.

DD has just covered herself in glitter glue.... oops. Better go!!

anniversarys smile

its me and DPs anniversary on valentines day. Were not married, and due to spending our first few weeks together pretty drunk cant remember the actual date he proposed (yes we'd only been together about 3/4 weeks)

Jeez that sounds pretty bad written down...I will say we have been together 2 years this year and are very blissfully happy (only ever had 1 arguement and that was when I was pregnant) so I think we've done very well!

I have a sleepy baby. She slept well again last night.
10pm-6:30am!! Then fed, threw up on me, nappy change and fed again then slept 8-9:15 back in her bed then woke up then slept 9:25-11:10am cuddle up with me in bed shock
I wonder if she's gearing up for her 12 week growth spurt.

Just wonder though, the last two nights she hasn't woken up for a night feed, that's meant my boobs have been huge and painful in the morning. Will this affect my supply? I don't want her waking up for a night feed and not having enough milk.

Sophiathesnowfairy Mon 11-Feb-13 11:22:19

stunt I'm ok with the immediate Mourne area but not really familiar with anywhere else. My SIL used to live in Lisburn, i have been a couple of times, but she is on the move to Dromore. I know the other SIL takes the kids to a swimming place in Lisburn, that must be it.

Banbridge is about 40 mins for us I think. It is the nearest BIG Tesco. So am likely to trip up there once on a while.

Have a cosy Monday all of you staying in. I am bundling the kids up and setting off to baby and toddler shortly. It f fresh air and exercise to try and blast away this nightmare cold.

My extra news is DH has an interview for a job in Glasgow on Fri shock we will see, would e a better commute from NI though than Wokingham!?!

zcos Mon 11-Feb-13 11:50:27

chunky I know you replied about spiritual home! think that's why I said anyone else as it was only you smile

Elizadoesdolittle Mon 11-Feb-13 11:51:04

My spiritual home is Queenstown NZ. DD1 was conceived there...TMI smile

I'm making pancakes for breakfast tomorrow with DD1. Will deffo have one with Nutella on. And my sister has invited me over for buttermilk pancakes in the afternoon. Yum!

Can't believe it's bloody snowing again. Booo. Just off to collect DD1 from preschool and then off to in laws for the afternoon and dinner so no cooking for me. Hope everyone has a happy warm merry Monday.

BigPigLittlePig Mon 11-Feb-13 11:55:44

MIL has come good today, and agreed to have LO every Friday for half a day once I'm back to work. I managed to sell it to her as special bonding time with F that she didn't get to have with dsd obviously nothing to do with saving us £125 a month

Oooh YW Jericho is lovely. <dreams of G&Ds>

BigPigLittlePig Mon 11-Feb-13 11:58:27

Oh and zcos my spiritual home would be an island called Malaita, part of the Solomon Islands. I spent a few months living and working there as a student and despite the lack of infrastructure, resources etc it is a beautiful place with wonderful people who appreciate life for what it is. Very happy memories if you ignore the earthquakes, malaria and massive fuck off spiders smile

Morning people. Oh how I would like more than a couple of hours of sleep in a row. He's only feeding at 3ish and 7ish but waking up so many times I never feel rested. Wahhh. I know it could be a lot worse.

Spiritual homes... Hmm... I feel very at home in lots of places: Edinburgh, Brighton and a small town in Essex which my Nan came from among others. But I'm a Londoner at heart. Camden, the South Bank, Soho...

PetiteRaleuse Mon 11-Feb-13 12:15:44

I hate driving in bad weather - it brings out the stupidity in other drivers. Had three near misses going to pick up DD1 from nursery, and none of them would have been my fault for a change

Oh, watching This Morning on +1, and a bloke just had his balls checked by a doctor. The camera zoomed right in. Daytime TV has changed since I left the UK.

ComradeJing Mon 11-Feb-13 12:19:41

Yy to relationships board being a bit too LTBy sometimes. I don't think I could ever ask about some aspects of my relationship with DH. We have a good marriage but his upbringing (religious and country australian) means some of his views are pretty prehistoric.

Anyway, night all.

PetiteRaleuse Mon 11-Feb-13 12:28:40

I think a lot of people, probably most, could post on Rlationships about some aspect of their relationship and get a LTB. I think they do help a lot of people on there but the reactions are often quite hysterical (not hysterical ha ha)

Pikz Mon 11-Feb-13 12:52:01

Hugs for stunt.

Charlee my LO has 38-45oz a day in 6oz lots usually. He spreads it across 6-7 feeds. He is 14.5lb at 11 weeks.

LO being very off. 3 hours of screaming last night at bedtime which he usually loves and snuggles down in his cot. Eventually we gave him a tiny amount of Capol as he was so warm and we had exhausted every reason why he was crying. Same again late morning. His cheeks are very flushed and he is chewing his whole fist. Could he be teething?

zcos Mon 11-Feb-13 12:52:03

I agree petite about the LTB I think relationships do need to be worked on... makes me wonder what the relationships of the people who say LTB are like!

PurplePidjin Mon 11-Feb-13 13:00:45

Dp is exceptionally enlightened in his views - despite his illness he's still pulling his weight around the house, for example - yet I'm sure I'd get a LTB for some things!

Charlee my LO's also have very little milk.

Between 22-28oz a day. They are 19 weeks old and about 12lbs10. They were 6lb1 & 5lb7 at birth. Pediatrician says that amount is within normal range & babies should be double their birth weight by 6 months. They are 25th & 50th centile.

TooManyDicksOnTheDancefloor Mon 11-Feb-13 13:08:33

I can't believe you are able to express 45oz a day pikz, that is amazing! And the fact that you have kept it up for 12 weeks is mind blowing. You definitely deserve to stop now x

M is asleep again!! Lazy madam

BigPigLittlePig Mon 11-Feb-13 13:48:24

Double their birth weight by 6 months?! She's done that and then some inside of 3, and that's with 2 weeks of losing weight at the beginning confused Must be all the mince pies over Christmas that did it.

All this LTB stuff - as you say pikz they never advise to stick around and work it out. I distinctly remember making vows for better and for worse.

LO has been asleep for 2 hours, and has had two hour long naps prior to that since waking at 7. It makes me realise why she was a grumpy bugger yesterday, with about 40 minutes nap the whole day!

BigPigLittlePig Mon 11-Feb-13 13:49:07

Pikz?! I mean zcos of course

Pikz Mon 11-Feb-13 13:56:25

Bplp I was thinking the same on double of birth weight... LO is double his at 12 weeks!

As long as it has been doubled by 6 months. Some babies do it way before.

It took mine over 4 months, babies are all so different.

BigPigLittlePig Mon 11-Feb-13 14:00:46

The gas man just came to read our meter - I answered the door and he asked if my parents are in!! Hahahahahahahaha THAT'S MY SODDING BABY RIGHT THERE AND CAR ON THE DRIVEWAY YOU NOB.

Elizadoesdolittle Mon 11-Feb-13 14:34:36

There is no way that E will be double her birth weight by 6 months. She'd have to put on 9lbs in 3 months. And unless she miraculously starts downing 6 bottles a day that ain't happening!

BigPigLittlePig Mon 11-Feb-13 14:40:49

All this talk of birth weight has made me look back at the photos of when LO was born; feel a bit emotional blush <wipes dust out of eyes>

Could well be teething pikz. My LO has been teething since she was 6 weeks old (confirmed by HV) Nothings come through yet but her gums are very white at the back and the 2 space at the bottom front, nothing on top.

I hope to god them ones come through first. With DD her top 2 come first followed by her bottom 2 3 months later. Needless to say she looked like a bloody rabbit for them 3 months lol

bplp wow you must look v young lol - I'd take it as a compliment though I doubt that would ever happen

Dottie is gonna take forever to double her birth weight - she was 10lb 8oz at 12 weeks - she's creeping up towards the 25th percentile which is good.

Well I went to bed but only managed an hours snooze grrrrrr I could have had 7 hours lol I should do housework but have made an egg n bacon buttie instead!!!

I've just emailed my dad a begging letter - as the bursary and student loan don't pay out until I'm well and truly at uni and I need to find at least 2 months full time childcare fees to pay in advance I've asked him for a loan - I'm sure he'll help me if he can as he paid for my lil brother to do his degree but I hate asking, if he agrees that'll take a bit of stress off my shoulders!!

stunt things with dh are still the same - nothing changes hmm am still weighing up whether I can put up with his laziness or not - it barks me that other than this we have an amazing relationship always laughing and joking, loving and supportive it's just this tiny little part of me that feels like a skivvy!!

I'm all up for a commune of just women - share the childcare, chores and workload, utilising our individual skills though I've got none then have girlie nights in with a couple of bottles of plonk - sounds heaven!!!

zcos Mon 11-Feb-13 14:57:40

that happened to me pig too lots when I first moved in 7 years ago... it stopped as soon as I had my hair cut short!

PetiteRaleuse Mon 11-Feb-13 15:25:19

Ow I feel like someone is sticking little pins along my c section scar today. Ow. I know it's normal, just wanted to whine.

ValiumQueen Mon 11-Feb-13 15:28:38

I am up for the commune.

Spiritual Home is where my babies are.

HV visited. Bottle not necessary, possible refluxy symptoms brought on by virus but seem to be dissipating now. Recommends trying those homeopathic granules or colief. If colief works, they will happily prescribe it for him but I need to buy the first bottle. She also recommends starting a wee bit of baby rice and apple purée at 20 weeks. Discussed sleep, and I am doing everything right. He will get there in time. I feel happier after seeing her. He is much better today - more like my happy boy, and napping better so fingers crossed. Oh, and I am to try cutting out dairy, but not to the extent of YW thank fuck. Just to see if it helps really.

Mum has had the girls today, so it has been peaceful here, tidied up, done washing, cuddled baby. Miss them now.

ValiumQueen Mon 11-Feb-13 15:30:17

PR ouch. Is it healed ok? Mine is still tender I must admit, but I do not heal well anyway. Was it you that had the infection?

horseylady Mon 11-Feb-13 15:32:39

vq good news you're doing everything correctly. Nice to have that reassurance.

I bought the wrong teats hence my feeding issues with leaky bottles. So if anyone wants Phillips naturally 3teats I have 6. I am such a bloody muppet.

Oh and I need to go into work to discuss my role.

PetiteRaleuse Mon 11-Feb-13 15:33:19

Yeah it's healed fine, I didn't get an infection and do heal very well and quickly in general. It's normal for them to get prickly from time to time, I was just having a whinge. It's not tender, most of the time I forget about it. Just the pin pricking today being annoying. It happened after the last one too.

StuntNun Mon 11-Feb-13 15:38:08

VQ I took a photo of my CS scar today for the Kelocote product test and it's all red and angry looking. Still look on the bright side I don't have to hold my belly up to see it any more. blush

J had a mammoth sleep tonight (after being wide awake for 90 minutes at midnight, little sod darling) and I got some studying done. I've decided to only do chores when he's awake so I can study when he's asleep. While I'm soon housework he'll have to go in his cot / sling / swing / high chair / playmat.

zcos Mon 11-Feb-13 15:38:10

Aw vq that's sweet about your spiritual home! I can't wait to take my dd to some of the places I have been and fallen for... in the UK to start with not done much travelling but parents always took us to a different place every year to explore wonderful caravan holidays I will remember all of my days! grin

StuntNun Mon 11-Feb-13 15:38:43

Oops PR not VQ!

BigPigLittlePig Mon 11-Feb-13 15:40:36

Lo has finally woken up after a mammoth 3 hour sleep - tea cooked, crumble made, kitchen clean, laundry done, nursery restored to tidy after being decorated mumsnet broswed

I had attributed the white coating on her tongue to reflux but day 2/3 of daktarin and it's gone reflux hasn't though

For the record, am 26...doesn't help tthat today have not done hair or makeup and am wearing slob clothes. Fly I am not blush

It was me with the infected scar. I was on 3 lots of antibiotics and had to have the bit that wouldn't heal cauterized! Luckily is absolutely fine now, gets itchy every now and then but has healed up nicely. My stomach looks like a train wreck. The c section scar, loads of stretch marks and some saggy skin from twin bump, a biggish scar in between my boobs and 4 hole marks (those were from gall bladder removal) and a scar next to belly button from massive cyst that was removed. All this within 6 weeks of the birth! Safe to say that the bikini will be staying in the cupboard forever never actually wore a bikini due to fat arse

PennieLane Mon 11-Feb-13 15:49:11

Yay VQ!

Spiritual home would be Copenhagen or Kerala. And London, always be a Londoner at heart.

Having issues with work, was made redundant and now they are trying to claim a policy change last week means no longer eligible for priority redeployment and less redundancy pay if not redeployed. FUCKERS. And also illegal I think. But the faff to just get then to do what was agreed is going to be a kong drawn out nightmare, I just know it.

kirrinIsland Mon 11-Feb-13 15:55:14

My spiritual home is the village I grew up in. I'd move back there tomorrow but it just won't work at the moment.

stunt that sounds tough, but hopefully things will get easier as J gets bigger and the stress of having a newborn eases off a bit. Counselling is always good but only if you are both on board.

Glad you feel better after the HV has been VQ Always nice to hear you are doing everything right!

Pikz Mon 11-Feb-13 15:55:46

Don't know what to do unless he is asleep or eating baby is screaming. At a loss to as why. It can't be the few ounces of formula introduced can it? The only time he's been calm these two days when awake is after Capol. Am so lost as to what's wrong sad

BigPigLittlePig Mon 11-Feb-13 15:57:25

pikz no bright ideas but would you like a communal hug?


kirrinIsland Mon 11-Feb-13 15:58:59

Sorry pennie Cross post. Surely a policy change can't be applied retrospectively? Try CAB for initial advice, and threatening them with ACAS could be worth a try?

ChunkyChicken Mon 11-Feb-13 16:00:24

I think you have some protection whilst on mat leave pennie but I'm not a solicitor/lawyer.

Both dc asleep, in bed (first time for LO, as I usually have him downstairs, but needed to do something, he was tired so out him in his cot & he self-settled!! shock Feel a bit bad he didn't get cuddled to sleep but I guess he was happy, he didn't make a peep). West wing on box. Clean bathroom thanks to DM. Tis a v merry Monday!! grin

ValiumQueen Mon 11-Feb-13 16:07:35

pikz oh dear. How old is LO? Any other symptoms? Sometimes formula can make a dairy issue more obvious apparently. Fever? Snotty? Arching back? Peeing and pooing ok?

I have come to the conclusion today that babies are like snowflakes. No two are identical in their behaviour. Being a mum of 3 I am no more an expert than the next person.

J is sleeping really well today. So pleased. Hoping it bodes well for tonight.

Just a quick message to say Cheeky Wipes are having a flash sale tomorrow and Wednesday, 20% off. More info here

glendathefedupwitch Mon 11-Feb-13 16:41:10

pennie that sucks - fingers x'd they see the error of their ways!!!

vq awwwwwww lickle baby snowflakes!!! You're damn right though my third is a bigger enigma than my other two put together - they were text book babies - and I know I should be v v v grateful for baby that sleeps through I just wish I knew what she wanted at any given moment when she yells.

Dad said no &#128557; he would if he could but lil brother skinted him and now he's putting every spare penny into a pension as he should be retiring in the next 5 years - fair enough - he said if we were desperate he would get a bank loan for us but I can't ask him to do that. I'm gutted don't know how the hell I'm gonna be able to afford the first 2 months of uni as the childcare will be £750 a month and petrol will be a full tank a week at £70 not to mention parking, bridge crossings and books. Need to have another chat with dh tonight but like last time he just seems to think ill be able to magic it from somewhere and as its me going to uni I kind of think he thinks its my problem sad I do get pissed off with dh about money - his money pays for set stuff each month - rent, utilities, child maintenance, money aside for cars etc.... So no big changes, my wages pay for everything else, food, clothes, everything Dottie needs big or small, riding lessons, decorating, pocket money and one month I can have a few quid spare other months I'm skint a week into it.

I'm so fed up been in tears all day - did pg test cos I'm sooo down and thank fuck it was negative - can you get pms on the implant? Had no period so not sure wtf is going on.

My Monday is more maudlin than merry sorry!!!

Pikz Mon 11-Feb-13 16:42:36

VQ peeing and pooing good. Cries when poos occasionally but has always done that. He gets wind but doesn't chuck up anything more than a mouthful every few feeds.

He has very red cheeks and is a little warm. Happy sleeping on me or in a carrier but when awake just screams. He arches a bit. He's 11wk 3 days.

Am just lost!

Pikz Mon 11-Feb-13 16:54:20

Ooohhh just saltined him and he's smiling again after two huge snot balls. He's got my damn cold again maybe...

PennieLane Mon 11-Feb-13 17:34:36

Thanks-will go to CAB! Good idea. I don't think you can apply it retrospectively. angry

Funnily enough VQ someone said same thing in my baby group this morn. Makes me nervous about having a second!

Hopefully that's what he was after Pikz. Let's hope spring arrives soon, and all these colds can p* off. It's sweary Weds early over here!

Sophiathesnowfairy Mon 11-Feb-13 17:38:50

We just rolled over. THREE TIMES just to be sure. Was a bit shocked shock

We all cheered.

MadamGazelleIsMyMum Mon 11-Feb-13 17:40:15

glenda (((hugs))). Can you make the money by getting rid of stuff - ebay? And changing the shop to an Aldi one? Can you talk to your childminder, or is there anyone else who can lend you some money?

Lazy day here. Mainly watching series 2 of Downton Abbey.

ChunkyChicken Mon 11-Feb-13 17:40:35

Wow Sophia that's great! smile

horseylady Mon 11-Feb-13 17:43:21

Gelnda where are you? If you're near me I might be able to help with riding as I know several people looking for jockeys for ponies. I'm derby/Nottingham.

Going into work next week to discuss job. I'm actually quite excited!!

MissMummy1 Mon 11-Feb-13 17:43:44

Yay sophia !

I'm seriously fucked off. Tried and failed to cook a nice meal tonight after the incompetent man child interrupted me at least 10 times! "She needs fed" - no she sodding doesn't!! Now sitting sulking feeding an unhungry baby whilst my meal gets ruined - pissing about on his laptop is more important than watching it or amusing Mangry angry angry

ValiumQueen Mon 11-Feb-13 17:45:38

Wow sophia awesome!

pikz probably a mix of cold and gearing up for 12 week growth spurt.

glenda hugs x

katkit1 Mon 11-Feb-13 17:46:21

Alex will be 12 weeks tomorrow and he was 13llbs 4oz when he was weighed 3 weeks ago. Quite the butterball. He gets around 8 feeds per day - 2 of those are ff.

ValiumQueen Mon 11-Feb-13 17:48:26

horsey what might be happening at work then?

YellowWellies Mon 11-Feb-13 17:54:27

VQ that's great news! Fingers crossed cutting down on dairy helps further - sadly for us cutting down wasn't enough - only total elimination. Tomorrow we try to slowly introduce soy FC I can gorge on Chinese soon.... On the plus side DS reaction to dairy is getting less violent (after I ate dodgy cashew nuts last week) he only cried for 2x 2 hours blush

Just had offer on house refused our best and final saw us offer 97% of asking, we are chain free and can proceed immediately to a couple who are desperate to salvage their collapsing chain. Meh they can't be that desperate to move given they've been there 16 years and are mortgage free and we're quibbling over £5k. Not offering any more in a falling market - its time for head not heart. Shame but negative equity isn't a barrel of laughs. sad Boooo could really see us there.

Gah! Just given J some formula, I've got thrush in the boobs again and my word it hurts even more than last time and I just couldn't do the feed this time, why do I feel so guilty?!, his nappy area is horrific, spread down both legs and all over his testicles and under up into his bottom, back to GP tomorrow it's in clumps of tiny spots/blisters, no doubt about it being a yeast infection, he's still as happy as Larry though, kicking and rolling round the playmat.

ValiumQueen Mon 11-Feb-13 18:22:24

tits please take comfort from the fact it does not seem to be bothering him. Formula sounds like a good idea, so quit the guilt please <hug>

YW I could not give up what you have, at this stage anyway. Had it happened earlier I may have coped with that, but now I would just see it as an excuse to put him on formula. Your commitment and determination is exemplary. Sorry about the house. Hope something else comes up soon.

We might get to double bw at 6 months but only just. Another 8oz this week which is great. 10lbs13 now.

VQ that is great about naps. Hope it bodes well for tonight.

ValiumQueen Mon 11-Feb-13 18:23:56

J slept 3 hours! He was very keen to feed, as was I! Proper boob clutching going on, and such big smiles.

ValiumQueen Mon 11-Feb-13 18:25:53

Great weight gain blonder Jacob will have no problem doubling birth weight me thinks. He is not far off already.

BigPigLittlePig Mon 11-Feb-13 18:39:34

<<applauds sophia>>

tits ow. Am coming out the other side of thrush, and take solace in the fact that it didn't seem to affect LO. Not sure I would be able to carry on if I had it a 2nd time.

DH is feeding LO a bottle of ebm, was a bit worried as it looked like she was going to refuse it (1st bottle of frozen ebm since previous refusal) but happily she's now guzzling it down like a pig

PurplePidjin Mon 11-Feb-13 18:43:40

<<<hugs>>> for those in need brew

R was 9lb8 at 11+1 last week, 6lb3 born. He needs to put on 2lb8 in the next 14 weeks to double.

I'm feeling very odd about tomorrow confused

ValiumQueen Mon 11-Feb-13 18:47:47

PP have you ever tried tapping? Relaxation technique. You will be fine. It is a wonderful opportunity. Try and enjoy it if you can. Hope R sleeps for you tonight x

PurplePidjin Mon 11-Feb-13 19:01:33

I'll google that thanks but iirc it's like nlp which just makes me feel a bit silly <sceptic>

It's an amazing opportunity but it seems so far-fetched that anything will come of it. I was pretty much born to teach (ideally music therapy but financially it'll never happen now) so no doubt I'll get a pgce eventually.

I do enjoy teaching, have picked a topic i feel comfortable with - i regularly deliver off the cuff lectures on it to my teens at youthie! - and y6 are my favourite age.

We shall see hmm

Pikz Mon 11-Feb-13 19:17:01

You will be brilliant PP.

Settling number 2... Hoping this is the last. He's had milk, capol and lots of cuddles. He's chewing his hands a lot.

DP is at the gym tonight, I'm hoping it goes quickly, I can hardly bare fabric of my clothes again my norks atm let alone picking J up against them everytime he yells! I am not blessed with the sort of boobs I can let free (they'd hit my knees if I did!) I'm just trying not to move too much.

horseylady Mon 11-Feb-13 19:26:21

Promotion vq and new career. In same team but different role. It's what I really really want to do....

TheDetective Mon 11-Feb-13 19:28:02

My fridge just collapsed shock.

I think I need a new one. hmm

I now smell a gorgeous aroma of hot chilli sauce, Mayo, witchazel, ikea mustard, calpol and garlic sauce. FAFS.

And still picking glass out of everything. hmm

TheDetective Mon 11-Feb-13 19:34:37

And I still have no Internet.

And I spent 2 hours trying to get Sky ordered after I cancelled Virgin for being shit the other day. Still, 5 online attempts and 3 phone calls later, I have managed it. Was determined as I have a half price for 12 months code.

Then I spent an hour in Sainsburies while they fannied about looking for paperwork so I could have the MAP for free so I didn't have to see the GP and look like a naughty school girl blush.

Oh yeah, the boiler broke again.

And I wasted a fiver trying to get oscars PP pics I a photobooth as it didn't tell you you only get 3 attempts angry. I nearly got them too if I'd of had another go or 2 it would have worked. And if I hadn't spent the 2 hrs sorting sky, and another hour in sainsburies, I'd of had time to make it to town to get them done in max speilmann.

I've had a fab day. Thanks for asking. grin

ComradeJing Mon 11-Feb-13 19:36:54

Good morning! DS managed around 7 hours again. It's bloody lovely but my sleep is still broken as I keep waking up and thinking 'oh he's not woken up yet.'

Going with dh on a business trip today. Just 3 days driving through New South Wales. Lots of stops so Ds Won't be in his seat too much.

On phone so can't check back but sorry for the screaming babies, house offer refused, Uni finance issues, thrush etc.

ValiumQueen Mon 11-Feb-13 19:39:31

Poor detective

horsey good stuff! I have worked at higher grades than I am at the moment and I find it so bloody frustrating.

Pikz Mon 11-Feb-13 19:42:47

Oh no detective. Will send you some condiments

Well done mini jig!!

BigPigLittlePig Mon 11-Feb-13 19:43:17

Oh my goodness what a happy baby I have. In bumbo, next to me on sofa. All is right with the world on merry Monday grin

Passmethecrisps Mon 11-Feb-13 19:47:08

Holy shit detective! It actually collapsed? WTAF? Is DP there? Get some takeaway.

PP is it tomorrow? I'll be thinking of you. I've never had to do an interview lesson so I would be papping myself. You sound like you have balls of steel and to cope with what you have and take this on - I can think of few people more deserving. I think I would love to share a staffroom with you.

pikz glad LO is more settled. It is truly awful when you have no idea what the matter is. Teething?

That sounds very exciting horsey. Fingers crossed for you as well.

glenda and stunt and daisy you are total champions trying to balance work and study with babies. Have I missed anyone? I have so much respect for you all. Considering how I spend my days . . .

I am really interested in the work chat. Before P I was the main only earner and it was my career that really was the driving force. I was promoted very early in my career and have spent the last two years preparing for the step to depute rector (in Scotland many secondary schools call head teachers rectors). It has been all consuming and fraught with disappointment. Immediately prior to getting married and then conceiving the lovely P I failed to get another internal post. It was a massive shock to everyone if I am honest and I found it very hard managing other people's shock if that doesn't sound horribly egotistical.

However, DH and I both agreed that had I got the post - which was temporary - we would not have had so much fun on honeymoon making Penelope! We would have chosen to wait to see if I got a permanent job and then I would have wanted to bed into the role meaning possibly another 2 years.

I am so glad I didn't get that job.

TheDetective Mon 11-Feb-13 19:48:29

I'm all prickly. I am mostly amused by my day so I don't cry!

Forgot too add Oscar puked in my hair and right inside my top and bra, and it ran in to my knickers. hmm

I've eaten my weight in donuts. Just to make it all better!

TheDetective Mon 11-Feb-13 19:52:58

Yea DP is here! The insides just fell out EVERYWHERE! confused

The shelves are now broked. It's DPs fault but we won't talk about that in case it makes me want to poke his eyes out!

It's still cold so I guess ill just have to make do with no interior!!

Catbag Mon 11-Feb-13 19:53:03

detective OMG! Did not know fridges could do that.

VQ So glad that you are feeling better after the chat with hv and that J is settling down. Fingers crossed that everything's on the way up now.

glenda You need to get in touch with student services at your uni. All universities have a pot of discretionary funding for students who are struggling financially and will help you out. You can get a grant for living costs (like fuel going to and from uni), a one off grant for emergency stuff (like car repairs etc) or a short term loan to tide you over until the student finance comes through. They are WELL used to dealing with situations like yours, I promise you. There have been a couple of times wher DH and I would have been truly stuck without it and our university has bent over backwards to help. They even do a maternity grant, but I don't know if that is specific to my uni. If they don't spend it, the gov gives them less money to spend next year, and it has to be used by the end of April, I believe. Usually they want to see 3 months bank statements, tenancy agreements etc, and they want to see that you are using an overdraft, if you have one. If you don't have one, they will prob tell you to get one or want to see written refusals from a couple of banks. Good luck! X

In other news, my smallest DS is close to being put in the bin. He has been a bit of a screechy monster since 2pm this afternoon. I suspect that the week of keeping me up all night is catching up with him and he is muchos overtired hmm

PetiteRaleuse Mon 11-Feb-13 19:54:00

horsey that sounds great. Fingers ceossed. Loved the tweed btw.

VQ You're sounding more positive, that's great.

glenda (((hugs))) I have no advice I have never been able to finish my studies I know how feustrating it is.

Detective you're obviously having trouble with all that is technology related. It seems neverending.

MM is your DP being at least less of a twunt than last week?

Tits I am very thrush prone and since bf I get it on the boobs as well as everywhere else each time I take antibiotics. You have my sympathy, it's awful. LO has it in some of her thigh folds, but it doesn't seem to bother her either. I wonder if babies feel pain like we do. They don't seem to.

Stunt how are you this evening.

General thanks to everyone.

My prickly scar has calmed down this evening. Sorry if I was snappy about it earlier. It was annoying me, and I know it can come and go for --ever- a while yet.

Catbag Mon 11-Feb-13 19:56:33

Also, good luck to horsey and pidjin! I know you will both be magnificent grin

StuntNun Mon 11-Feb-13 20:00:55

Thanks for asking PR but I'm in a bad mood as this baby will not settle long enough for me to make dinner and I'm STARVING since I had lunch at 11:30 and that was over eight hours ago. confused

MissMummy1 Mon 11-Feb-13 20:02:23

PR less twunty more useless. Still I managed to recover my prevalentines meal and it was lovely --ignores burnt custard--blush

horseylady Mon 11-Feb-13 20:03:25

Vq - daft as it sounds I think mat leave will have done me good in terms of what I'll go back to. I think they realise what I do now I'm not there.

Pikz Mon 11-Feb-13 20:04:29

Stunt I resorted to a carrier this afternoon to make dinner!

PR glad the scar is better.

Detective what is going on in your house!! Try free cycle for a new one?

VQ how is LO now?

Bplp you sound like your having a fab night!

Good luck horsey too!

Cat bag you are still my hero.

MissMummy1 Mon 11-Feb-13 20:08:38

Wonder how many of us (when I say us, I do not include me!) will be announcing a second valentine's baby in a few weeks time!

Repeat: definitely NOT me grin

TheDetective Mon 11-Feb-13 20:09:33

Luck has never been mine.

Now you know why I worked my ass off in my annual leave web I was pregnant.

You can guarantee this shit will all happen when you can least afford it!

Of course, if DP hadnt knocked the bottom shelf of the door off some weeks back, meaning we had nowhere to store milk without it leaking all over the show, then decided to fuck around with the shelves to see if he could get the milk in....

TheDetective Mon 11-Feb-13 20:11:54

Fingers glued crossed NOT ME!!

Catbag Mon 11-Feb-13 20:13:36

Also some more - I made an executive decision today to apply for the LLM at uni, starting in September. I finish my final year in May and I am quite simply not ready to leave yet. I told DH and he was like hmm as I have no idea how we would pay for it. So I need to find a way of putting together £2000 by the Autumn, that in no way impacts the financial well-being of the family. Now I am pulling the hmm

I intend to do it part time over two years so would need to find the other £2000 next year. I don't want to stagnate. It took me so long to finally get my shit together and get to uni (I was 29 when I started), I really don't want to lose my momentum and sit around on my arse until the twins are 5, I am 37 and am trying to pick up where I left off on a degree that is 5 yrs old. Kind of makes me twitch a little that DH doesn't have this issue, although that is a little unfair. He would be happy to stay at home, but as he points out he has a job to walk straight into after uni; I need to study more before I can start my practise. If I could earn more than him straight away, then he would be the SAHD though who knows how the kids would turn out then Mr 17 hours a day on the computer.

So. End result is that I have promised him that if I can't squirrel enough to pay for the first year, I will withdraw my application and not be miserable at him about it (which is what he is most worried about). Ladies, I need to pilfer your combined gargantuan intellect and come up with a way of making this cash. Non-smutty answers only please detective and vq I am looking at you grin

Catbag Mon 11-Feb-13 20:17:16

Just so you know, I totally wasn't scared off by your collective girl-crushes, was just not able to get on MN today. You are all v. lovely grin

Pikz Mon 11-Feb-13 20:17:57

Cat bag can you get any admin work part time from home? For example my DP business hires a part time mum and she gets £12 an hour for the hours she can work. She's at home on a pc doing it.

Evilwater Mon 11-Feb-13 20:19:15

Wll baby evil has lived upto his name! He has only drank 3 bottles today at 7oz each. He has been grumpy ALL day, and driven me nuts.

I tried to phone the HV as I have given in regarding his colic at 1225, all I got was a recoded message saying phone back before 1230 angry he has also been teething. Why does there has to be so much druel?

DP is insisting I watch a programme in channel 4 about how bad nurseries are. He still thinks they are bad, and I should hand over baby evil to his crazy mum!


Catbag Mon 11-Feb-13 20:23:31

pikz That I could definitely do. Not sure how I would go about drumming up the business though. Will look into it. By the way, I might be your hero but you are totally mine too. 45oz a day? I do a dance when I get 6. You are a total legend. Take a bow grin

PurplePidjin Mon 11-Feb-13 20:37:24

Passme blushthanks the simple fact is that it's this or minimum wage shit again. Or starve.

Pikz Mon 11-Feb-13 20:38:53

Cat bag look at gum tree, get your linked in profile up to date and try remoteemployment.com and monster.com.

ComradeJing Mon 11-Feb-13 20:40:06

Forgot to say... as DS is so fat chunky he has huge jowls and they get sweaty and grubby even though I wash him and them regularly. The creases are very red and shiny too. Yesterday morning he STANK of off milk to the point that if the smell hadn't gone in the bath I would have taken him to the dr.

I think part of the problem is that it's a hard area to dry. Any advice?

TheDetective Mon 11-Feb-13 20:41:08


I should just go to bed!

Oscar nearly pulled my nose piercing out. I read how you should let them explore your face. Well. I won't be making THAT fucking mistake again.

Owwwwwwwwww. Btw. My piercing is stuck. It would have to be cut out it just won't come out on its own. This is because the pain is excruciating as the hole has gotten too small!

I may have screamed like a starving baby with a shitty nappy and a bout of colic Oscar has now stopped crying at the shock. grin

Pikz Mon 11-Feb-13 20:42:02

Baby evil and baby pikz have clearly been talking and decided to have a grumpy terrorist day!

ComradeJing Mon 11-Feb-13 20:44:56

Sorry Cat, I missed your post.

I read on MN a while ago that the best way to make money in a certain amount of time is to figure out how much you need to earn per week (so X number of weeks until September... 2000pounds divided by number of weeks = amount needed per week) as that should be far more manageable than a WHOLE 2000. Then figure out what you need to do to get there... ebay? baby sitting?

Sorry, hope I've not written the "earning money" equivalent of saying "just enjoy the free time" to a recently divorced mum who has to send her kids to her ex and OW.

YellowWellies Mon 11-Feb-13 20:53:55

Ah well boo to house hunting just had a bit of good news - an email from my old freelance client asking if I'd consider a few hours a week - at £30 an hour I'm sorely tempted to try to fit in 4 or 5 a week. Especially as I'm still waiting to hear about MA. Thing is some days I barely manage a shower so think I'm not quite ready yet. Still its nice to be missed by the world of the grown ups!

Evilwater Mon 11-Feb-13 20:55:24

( WARNING moaning)

Pikz- I just don't know what to do, I'm at my wits end. He usally drinks 30 oz a day, but today he has only had 21oz and I've really had to push the milk too. sad

I recon he will be up, all fucking night.

But why oh why does he have to moan ALL the time.

Pikz Mon 11-Feb-13 20:58:44

I would YW. Even 4 hours would be such a boost.

Evil, I getcha on the whining. DP made me go for a walk as I told LO to give it a rest.

YellowWellies Mon 11-Feb-13 21:04:36

Jing Jonas does a fine line in BM brie in his neck creases too - we've been told to carefully apply talc into the creases with a dry finger until the moisture is gone - we do it each night to prevent thrush. You have to be careful with talc so close to their faces as it can be inhaled if applied too liberally; but if done carefully it seems to be the lesser of two evils. His neck isn't red and shiny anymore. We use Johnsons Bedtime Powder. I find milk drunk comatose (about now!) the best time to do it.

Evilwater Mon 11-Feb-13 21:05:46

I even told N off in a motherly tone, which set him off again. sad I know it's not his fault, but there is only so much I can take.

decective- wow a collapsed fridge!

Oh and we really need a new oven as I almost got smoke inhalation from the grill (I knew there was a reason why we never used it)


BigPigLittlePig Mon 11-Feb-13 21:08:09

Evil ear plugs, and sing at the top of your voice. It can help keep you sane the same can't be said for anyone subjected to my tuneless singing

Sorry for those who are having a crap time - swings and roundabouts I'm sure as just as your LOs sort themselves out, the rest of them will turn into baby terrorists.

Am trying to type this whilst fending off the cats amorous advances.

TheDetective Mon 11-Feb-13 21:13:46

Aaaaaand now I've been puked on again. Basically, any slight movement forward (so lying on my chest, cuddles, tummy time) and boom. Vomtastic. Doesn't matter how long ago he fed.

I am confused. The dentinox helped for 2 days but he is just the same now. Tried size 2 teats and he just went apeshit.

ChunkyChicken Mon 11-Feb-13 21:14:48

Tired. Just put both dc to bed one as DH on a course. Going downstairs to watch more west wing & cry with exhaustion in the face of all the laundry to be hung out & stuff to sort out for the morning but...

shock detective that sucks.

thanks & good luck pidj

Good luck with that task catbag will see what comes to mind.

mm stunt glenda wishing you overnight transformations of DPs or at least some thought on Valentines

Oh and no, I will not be getting a Valentines derived BFP although really really strangely I'm a bit broody. I know my marriage & sanity as it stands wouldn't survive another sad

ValiumQueen Mon 11-Feb-13 21:20:25

jing you can also buy liquid talc, but I swear by Lanosil. I clean his creases with baby lotion and apply a thin layer of Lanosil if red or cheesy.

cat I think babysitting may be asking a bit much with 5 to sit on already. Sorry I cannot think of anything non-smutty.

pikz J seems more like himself today, and was asleep by 8.45. I am also feeling a lot happier.

PR smile

horsey I am hoping my boss feels the same.

evil hope you have a reasonable night and little evil settles.

ValiumQueen Mon 11-Feb-13 21:27:08

I was feeling a bit broody today. Thankfully that door is now shut. I spoke with a dear friend of mine who was due at the same time as me but did not have the same happy outcome. I asked (sensitively) if she wanted all my baby kit and she does. She was so chuffed, it was lovely. She is hoping for a BFP next week, but is expecting it to be negative. She lives not far from where YW was, so will be a while before she can collect it, so I can get it all sorted out lovely for her. I had offered it to a friend who lives nearer and is actually up duffed, but she is getting everything new.

Off to bed soon, but have an eclair to wrestle first. Dairy free-ish from tomorrow.

Has anyone used the colic granules?

No Valentines BFP for me thanks .... unless the pill were to fail <shudders at thought!>

TooManyDicksOnTheDancefloor Mon 11-Feb-13 21:35:56

Evening everyone. Haven't had time to read all of the posts, dd1 and DH have both got a vomiting virus so I've been mopping up sick all day and trying to keep Bronwen away from it all. She seems fine so far luckily

Good luck tomorrow purple, you'll be fine.

Can't think of any money making scheme's cat, but if anyone has healthcare in work like axa ppp you can claim £200 maternity benefit. DH was told about it, he just had to send a copy of the birth certificate and a cheque arrived a few days later.

Elizadoesdolittle Mon 11-Feb-13 21:42:40

yw that sucks about the house. The place we are buying accepted £18k off of their asking price, but we in turn accepted £13k less than our asking price. It's the way of the world at the moment. Gone are the days that places are snapped up at full asking price, or like when I last sold more than the asking price. These sellers are being unrealistic. Any chance that your offer could stay on the table and they may change their mind in a couple of weeks? House buying sucks!

vq glad you had a successful visit with the HV. I hope things continue to improve for you and J.

I watched the dispatches documentary about nurseries. It's tragic what happened I the children in the documentary but it didn't change my view of putting my DD into nursery. I'm sure there are awful nurseries out there but equally there are great ones. Same with CM's.

YellowWellies Mon 11-Feb-13 21:49:22

Thanks Eliza I'm hoping they come back to us - they sound a bit shocked that we're walking away. Fingers crossed.

Evilwater Mon 11-Feb-13 21:52:39

Sorry I havnt mentioned everyone.

To those going back to school or getting a better job, congratulations.
For all those grumpy, grizzly babies, I wish you all a good night.
For those with house worries and P/H problems, I know it's not easy.
And for the classic mumsnet saying
"This too shall pass"

Nite all.

TheDetective Mon 11-Feb-13 22:01:28

I bet they will come back YW and I have to say if they do, if you could risk it, offer lower because they have been greedy and clearly turned you down in the hope you would up your offer!


I've used my judgement and decided to get some Karvol capsules. He is 12 wks on Friday. I've just put one on a muslin cloth tied to the handle of the basket. He caught whiff of it and after a couple of sniffs he just gave the biggest gummiest smile I've ever seen from him! He seems grateful! I think I'll just use it in small doses and take it off once he is asleep. His breathing seems much better since I've put it there.

Talking about muslins, I had 9 muslin cloths. I do his washing every 2/3 days and have always had enough cloths. Well since last week I've been washing all 9 almost every day. I've had to go out and I've bought 2 packs of 5. That shows me just how much his possetting/vomiting has increased.

Perhaps it will settle soon. Maybe it's rhe cold on top of new teats. Either way, stop it already!

Brockle Mon 11-Feb-13 22:01:37

catbag have you thought about bursaries in your area? sometimes trusts give out monies once a year to assist with peoples studied. often you have to have a local connection but it may be one avenue to go down? your uni may know of some.

just been super sensitive about something and gone overboard I think. aunt posted a "joke" on FB with a by line that was v offensive to Muslims. my DH and DC's are Muslim and I saw red and told her to keep her racist jokes to herself. she has now apologized as she didn't see the by line but she had put similar things in before that I have bitten my tongue about. she wad so apologetic that I feel awful now. the thing is that when I see or read something like that I just see my little boys faces and get upset that they will have to deal with that crap all their lives despite doing nothing wrong. it makes me sad and afraid for them sad. I have thought of quitting FB for this reason a couple of times before but it is great for sharing the boys pics with PILs abroad. I know this is trivial what witheverythinggrin you ladies are going through but it makes me sad. thrush in both breasts doesn't help either. sorry for vent sad

MissMummy1 Mon 11-Feb-13 22:05:46

Am I mad considering going back to work full time when M is 4 months? Yes. But sod it, I don't know if there will be work for me in August so I'll apply. Probably won't get it.

YW fucker house sellers. angry As for freelance, I'm going to start doing 2/3 hours tutoring as of next week. I think it's doable. If it turns into a nighmare I'll stop and withdraw ft job application confused . You up for baby massage tomorrow if the littlies are in good form (ie Matilda returns from whatever grumpy planet she was on today!) ??

No suggestions other than eBay cat .

Detective I've had a fucker of a day with baby vom. No collapsing fridges mind!

Passmethecrisps Mon 11-Feb-13 22:10:31

brockle the fact you feel bad shows your character. Your aunt will feel bad for a while but she will think more carefully about what she posts from now on. You did the right thing for your family!

YW they may well come back to you. Surely a sale is worth a prove lower than you hoped. I have friends who sold at the very height of the crash if that makes sense? Accepted £100,000 less than the original valuation. Something is only worth what is being paid for it.

I am with you on the grateful look detective. P has learned to accept (if not necessarily enjoy) the snot sucker and really did seem pleased when I rubbed her checked with vix type stuff I bought. It is called Snuffle Babes. I have no idea why it is different to vix but you can't use vix until 6 months and this can be used at 3.

detective you could use that passpic website I linked to? Would save you a trip to max spielman
M is very sicky as well. Been soaked through to my knickers twice today

Passmethecrisps Mon 11-Feb-13 22:12:51

cat what about transcription work at your uni? Boring but should pay reasonably well. Or proof reading? Offer your services via the student union perhaps?

YellowWellies Mon 11-Feb-13 22:15:30

MM yep hissy fits aside we're on for massage - will pushchair him into a nap first to avoid his screaming about dabs!!!

daisychain76 Mon 11-Feb-13 22:29:06

Cat are you keeping an eye on jobs.ac.uk for funding opps? Have you thought about changing focus a bit and trying to find a firm to fund you through the LPC? Might also be worth asking about sessional teaching work at uni or advertising as a private tutor.

PR my scar is prickly also seems to be getting more sore, not less. Have stopped using slings for the moment but even low waisted jeans seem to make it worse.

YW hope things work out with the house.

Pikz, Evil and anyone else with unsettled LOs, hope they sleep well. H is not himself at the moment. Can‘t decide if its teething, wind or hunger. Another one here who thought l‘d have it sussed with 3rd and don‘t have a clue at the moment!

zcos Mon 11-Feb-13 22:30:32

before I read the rest of the posts and forget welldone babygrin Sophia were there any signs it might happen.
sorry to hear that Glenda I was so morose yesterday I feel so much better today think it may be baby hormone ... cross the bridge? where do you hail? you getting uni loan too?
the thought that all babies are like snowflakes is very sweet but also puts me off number 2 I thought I would be an old hand next time and really know what I'm doing... but provably not and then not only do you get to grips with a newborn and how they work but have a toddler on your hands too! ... I don't know how you others with 2&3 cope! grin I had wanted 3 and dh 2 thinking now I could be more content with 2! grin

BigPigLittlePig Mon 11-Feb-13 22:30:57

cat when I was at uni my laptop imploded one day and as I was feeling cheecky I applied for emergency hardship fund to replace it. Didn't think I would get it in a million years, but a check for a grand turned up shock
As someone else has said, the universities have a pot of cash they have to spend, in order to receive the same amount the following year. It's well worth applying to as you never know (plus it's about time you had some good luck).

detective your day sucks thanks There have been a few occasions when I've considered covering myself in a bath towel, but thankfully they are few and far between. Daily vom must be rubbish.

Brockle I get myself all worked up over less than that on fb sometimes, and not even on behalf of my family. People can put some really insensitive stuff up sometimes (or maybe it's hormones making me more sensitive hmm )

Just had a bath - way too hot and accidentally fell asleep so feel a bit weird. Didn't get round to shaving my legs so still hairy as a bear. Gross.

TheDetective Mon 11-Feb-13 22:37:22

I saw the snuffle baby stuff! I guess it's probably got less than whatever the active ingredients are in Vicks. Not as strong basically.

I so love Karvol though. I'm excited to go to bed just to smell it!

TheDetective Mon 11-Feb-13 22:43:25

Fatima I keep looking at that site, and getting my head in a pickle. I don't have anything light to use as a background! Have just arranged lunch with SIL in town tomorrow so I'll have to go! Plus I need to get the form from the PO seen as I have no fucking internet. Oh. Yeah. I can't use the website at the minute as ive no Internet! How could I forget! I need to get them tomorrow so I can get them to school and get them countersigned. Need to get application off by the weekend.

Sophia well done O! Clever boy! No signs of rolling here. Unlesshou count rolling in his own vomit hmm. I love it when they get to the active stage! Not too active though!!

kirrinIsland Mon 11-Feb-13 22:50:42

Good luck for tomorrow pidjin Sounds like you've got it all covered so you'll be fine. And to you horsey - hope your meeting goes well. Shame it takes your absence to be truly appreciated, but at least they know now!

MM i'd apply and worry about the details later. Especially as you can test out working part time in the meantime. Good luck.

evil hope N sleeps well, despite his drop in milk.

detective I've cracked open the karvol too. N is 12 weeks tomorrow. A few days can't hurt, right?!

YW give it a couple of days and I reckon the house people will be back in touch.

I've struggled to keep up today everyday so hugs to everyone who needs them and apologies to anyone I've missed.

Just been to official work do for a retiring Board member, thought it was good to show my face. They are not the most friendly bunch. I became pg just after being promoted and I'm not sure if some of them were pissed off about that. But as I thought I was never going to get pg I put myself forward. Of course the next month it happened. Can't exactly explain that though!

Meeting my boss in a few days as she is also on mat leave & we are going to work out a job share proposal. Really hope it is accepted as I only want to go back 3 days a week, as does she.

zcos Mon 11-Feb-13 23:00:05

I'm not going to get valentines bfp unless I'm having the next messiah no sex since dd sad though it doesn't seem that long for us (before the doing it every other day TTC). I also haven't shaved my legs since either! so definitely hairy as a bear! out on the town next sat and dd with dm so will have to start hacking away soon!!
detective what a horrendous day! shock... how do you always manage to see the funny side of things your an inspiration and a force of nature!!

TheDetective Mon 11-Feb-13 23:16:14

Like they say zcos if you don't laugh, you'll cry!

Besides, I've had far far far worse days in my time. A few spring to mind. sad I definitely cried those days!

I'm envy at those who feel ready for work! If you are up for it, why not! No one says how long you should or shouldn't stay off for! Needs must... Oscar will be 5 mths 5 days. I'm still very sad at the thought. I don't know why. I felt fine about it with DS1.

TheDetective Mon 11-Feb-13 23:24:36

I've just about managed to get a valentines card for DP. That's all we are doing this year. Might try and get Oscar in bed early and have a nice meal.

The days are just flying by. Where is time going? What was I doing before with my time?!

Sloopooooooow down!

Sorry, I just realised I did not say happy anniversary Mrs and Mr Penis. I mean Crisps grin.

Is anyone using lenor fabric softener? It has a warning on the side about not using it on children's bedclothes. Something to do with it reduces the flame retardant stuff in them. I was shock when I saw this. Is it common knowledge? I did not know it.

ChunkyChicken Mon 11-Feb-13 23:59:01

shock detective had no idea!! Didn't know bed clothes were that flame retardant either though... Think we use comfort sensitive.

Trying a dream feed now, as DS did 7hrs last night, so hoping for the same tonight. But then, best laid plans & so on.

detective I've resorted to the olbas oil for DS recently. Only 1 drop on a hanky well above his head, then dug out the karvol, but I can't see a little bit would hurt. Afterall the vast quantity DH splashes on to his pillow but reach DS as he's still in with us.

Sympathy on the house front YW it is fraught with difficulties, not least the stupidity & greed of some!!

ChunkyChicken Tue 12-Feb-13 00:14:52

Not sure the dream feed worked. He fed quickly but briefly, & is now squirming around in his cot, grunting.

Anyway, fc. Wishing everyone a good night...

ValiumQueen Tue 12-Feb-13 01:09:26

4 hours (does a little dance)

With subsequent babies some things are a lot easier - you know they will not break if you put a vest over their head, and your nappy changes would rival the F1 team. You are not so worried about various illnesses and ailments, and if you have breastfed you are more confident having already done it once.

The hardest thing I found going from 1 to 2 was the emotional stuff - how could I possibly love another child as much, keeping no.1 happy etc. Not so hard going 2-3 as you know you will love the new baby, and you know the other two will cope.

As more come along things get more tricky logistically and you cannot nap the same, but the joy of seeing the siblings interact is (mostly) wonderful. If I were younger, could afford it, and was better at pregnancy and birth, I would have more.

Managing illness becomes harder as each one wants your undivided attention, and juggling the vomit can prove tricky.

Do not be put off having more, kids are the best thing ever.

TheDetective Tue 12-Feb-13 01:13:17

Fucking 1230? Are you taking the piss? sad

Last 2 nights he has woke 30 mins after we've fallen asleep.

And he's having an insane tantrum like I've never seem him do.

TheDetective Tue 12-Feb-13 01:18:58

Yeah. What ^^ she said.

Except now. Now I'm all grrrrr. Bad mummy. But I can't help it. Frustration because he isn't even hungry. He just wants an ounce. And the teat in his mouth for 30 mins. Dummy is spat out.

TheDetective Tue 12-Feb-13 01:21:59

I wish we could have 2 kids a decade. Have 2 closish together, then a good 10 year gap, then start again. And keep doing it over and over. I'd have 6 kids if I could do the above. I possibly could actually. Well, 5 anyway. Didn't have one close to DS1!

PetiteRaleuse Tue 12-Feb-13 02:30:12

Why is everyone talking about having other kids and broodiness? Is it because of the anniversary?

I'm not feeling broody, in fact I don't think I ever have, as much as I love my DDs. definitely. No. More.

So, what am I doing up at 3 am? Well DD1 woke up thirsty and with an awful temperature, she's breathing really fast, but that's normal with a temp. So have calpoled her up but in all the activity LO has woken up, demanded a feed, and now thinks it is time to laugh. I guess this is the 4 mo sleep regression. W've been up for an hour already, and I can hear DD1 talking to DH so looks like the whole family is having a shite night.

I'm not going to complain about sleep deprivation else I'll get booed off the boards, but they'd better not make a habit of this.

kirrinIsland Tue 12-Feb-13 03:04:20

detective I think we're having the same night you're having sad N slept at 12, for just under an hour; then slept from 2 til 2.40 and is now up again. Doesn't need to feed, just wants chew on me for a bit.

ChunkyChicken Tue 12-Feb-13 03:37:15

Ffs. Dream feed did NOT work. 3.5hrs. Awake earlier than w/out the dream feed yesterday. Why? Why??!!

VQ has it spot on. The emotional stuff was the shock this time around. I knew I'd love LO but didn't realise how I'd miss the old dynamic with DD. I wasn't broody with DD (it was DH that instigated having a baby) but I was desperate to have DS - I put off TTC as long as I could after having my appendix out (just under 3mths) but then was determined

ChunkyChicken Tue 12-Feb-13 03:39:54

PR think its because mm (I think) asked about another Valentines baby for people, & I, for example, responded with hell no, but I'm actually broody...

ChunkyChicken Tue 12-Feb-13 03:42:21

And all that for a max of 10mins feed??!!! Grrr.

Love him really my little squishy squidgy bum. But maybe not quite as much at 3.40am...

Thechick Tue 12-Feb-13 03:57:52

Hey all
Hope all is well, I'm many pages behind. Thanks for the info Det so it is because he's early. I didn't know that.
On the pancakes debate, sugar and lemon or Nutella and banana and ice cream. Mmmmm.
LO seems to be on the other side of his cold, thank goodness. It looks like steamy bathrooms and this Vicks like stuff have worked.

kirrinIsland Tue 12-Feb-13 04:35:44

I give up. I don't know what N wants every hour but clearly she's not getting it from me. I was just starting to feel vaguely human again and now we're back to this shit again

ValiumQueen Tue 12-Feb-13 04:42:29

detective I think O is doing pretty well considering he is fighting a cold. A cold is a big thing to one so small.

J slept a further 3 hours after taking an hour to feed and settle. Not bad my son! Mummy is very proud of your progress.

ValiumQueen Tue 12-Feb-13 04:44:38

pr sorry DD1 is ill again. Poor little scrap and poor you.

YellowWellies Tue 12-Feb-13 04:55:34

Well done J that's great news VQ!

Kirrin it could be the 4 month sleep regression if so it could be over as quickly as it started. We had a week of disturbance out of the blue and now we're back to one waking again - please may it continue..... Its so frustrating when they change their patterns and don't send you a memo!

Right about to transfer back to the bed nest...

TheDetective Tue 12-Feb-13 05:24:56

Yes YW it is! We play guess the sleep pattern before we go to bed. Since it's usually one good one bad, tonight was supposed to be good. I think someone forgot...!

I know VQ it's just frustrating as he seems fairly well now, the snot has dried up, coughing down to minimal. Was hopeful he was on the mend!

ValiumQueen Tue 12-Feb-13 05:32:12

Still not settled after an hour. If he is better already detective you are extremely lucky. It is snot keeping boy awake tonight. Fucking hate snot.

kirrinIsland Tue 12-Feb-13 06:00:24

Hope so YW Though it's a bit early. A memo would have been lovely - why don't they do that?!

zcos Tue 12-Feb-13 06:26:50

pr think the having another baby thing was me when we were talking about babies being different and individual ... someone said very poetically like snowflakes.
I just said it worried me as I thought it worried me as I thought I would know what I was doing next time around and you can predict what baby you will get.

zcos Tue 12-Feb-13 06:32:32

Down with snot Tuesday!! grin

PetiteRaleuse Tue 12-Feb-13 07:02:12

Second time round is easier for lots of things. I also wasn't prepared for how guilty I would feel for DD1 though.

I've been awake pretty much constantly since 2. DD1's temp went down to an acceptable level but she spent the rest of the night gripping on to me for dear life. LO finally went back to sleep but is up and doing now.

Going to keep DD1 home from creche this morning. I feel like I pay more to that place for her not to go than I do for her to go. We're stopping end of next month and I really wanted her to make the most of every day there sad

I'll take her to the Dr tomorrow if no improvement. This all feels nevending.

ChunkyChicken Tue 12-Feb-13 07:32:28

PR sorry DD is ill again & you had a terrible night. It's the time of year isn't it? I took DD to the Dr the other day & said that since Boxing day she seems to be suddenly getting a high temp out of nowhere, then symptoms develop, then she improves slightly, then the temp goes up again overnight, then she's well again for a few days. The Dr said it was prob just the time of yr... She's just finished her 2nd course of antibiotics in as many months!!

Thinking about it - DS might have woken because he was cold. That's the one prob I have with sleeping bags. If your room starts out warm & cools down, you either have to risk them being a bit warm at first or getting cold, waking to then putting another layer on them... At least blankets etc you just put another one over them!!

horseylady Tue 12-Feb-13 07:34:31

Ds did the same as yw ds!!!

I dont know what to do?! He's downing 9ozbottles ?!! He's just so hungry. Do I offer more after each feed? Do I try hungry baby? Do I speak to the hv?!

StuntNun Tue 12-Feb-13 07:53:11

I would just give him more milk Horsey. If he's approaching some developmental leap then he may be doing some intense neurological development work and need the extra calories. This is why a lot of babies get started on solids too soon, they suddenly get hungrier and people assume it's because they aren't getting enough calories from milk. Whereas in face milk has more calories per ounce than some mushed up carrot. The MN guide to weaning here is really good.

I have to say I found DS2 much easier than DS1 and DS3 is the easiest yet. Apart from the sleep dep which I'm finding a bit of a killer but tbh that's probably due to my age as well. It's definitely easier having a baby when you're 26 than when you're 36.

J was dreadful yesterday evening. He didn't sleep for three hours so by 8:30 he was overtired. It didn't help that he would scream blue murder cry whenever DH held him and stop when I held him. We tried everything - putting him in his cot, bath, story, feeding to sleep, swing, cuddling. If it wasn't for experience with DS1 I probably would have put him in the car and driven him around but with DS1 he would wake as soon as you tried to put him into his cot.

J's passport arrived yesterday. It's very cute. Hah now we can jump to the front of the queue at the airport on Saturday don't get me started on the Speedy Boarding people who pay to get in front of small children and disabled people. I have to single-handedly get three kids, one pushchair, two suitcases and three pieces of hand luggage through Manchester airport at the other end. This is going to suck isn't it?

ChunkyChicken Tue 12-Feb-13 07:57:32

DS keeps rolling on to his side in his cot. He clearly likes sleeping like that but isn't 13wks a bit early for that??!

stunt yes, yes it is. smile

horseylady Tue 12-Feb-13 08:00:40

Thanks stunt. I looked at hungry baby it doesn't have many more calories but does have extra protien? I'll just offer more milk. It's not a problem. It's just seems like a huge volume of food!!

He's not ready for weaning. I've got no intention to do that!!

Might see if anyone makes bigger bottles.

ValiumQueen Tue 12-Feb-13 08:13:16

J woke again at 4.30 and took an hour to settle. He is still asleep. That is pretty much 10 hours sleep out of 12. Hmm. Too good to be true?

stunt who's idea was it to do that? Yes, it will suck. Hopefully they will help you.

PR at least you are not at work. I hate it when they miss a day at nursery, plus I need a day unpaid leave to care for them. Over £100 lost effectively. Very frustrating. DD missed a whole week recently, and was unwell the weekend before and after.

horsey he is clearly happy and thriving. Be grateful I say, and just give him more milk.

stunt my HV said to give rice and apple at 20 weeks. I am now thinking this is not so good. She says it may help fill him up and is non allergenic. Even though less calories, would it take longer to digest hence keeping him full longer? Hopefully he has turned a corner so it will not be an issue.

StuntNun Tue 12-Feb-13 08:24:53

VQ DS1 is going to push the pushchair and I'm going to handle the suitcases. I'll take the baby carrier for getting from the plane to the luggage carousels. I'm an old hand at this but it's the first time with three of them.

I'm not sure about apples being non-allergenic, I know two people who are allergic to apples. Don't they usually recommend to start with pureed root veg?

Sophiathesnowfairy Tue 12-Feb-13 08:25:41

stunt yep it is. Maybe you can get some help.

Olly says "I thank you" for all his rolling congrats.

Good night here. I reduced his 10pm feed to five oz because he hasn't been eating his breakfast properly, he woke and chatted away at 5. I was lying in bed thinking oh no please don't shout for food. But he went back to sleep. I prized him out of bed at 6:45 and he actually had most of his milk. Obviously as we all know there is no guarantee that tonight the same will happen

Boo for * detective's" yesterday, hoe snot Tuesday is better for you. Can't wait till sweary Wednesday!

vq i know a girl who weaned at 20 weeks because of intolerances and all was hunky dory. I am going to start slowly then anyway but without cutting back on the milk.

Catbag Tue 12-Feb-13 08:26:26

vq Yey! Good boy smile

In related news, the 4 month regression period may be over now, after a week <<touches wood / crosses fingers etc>> Babies woke at 1am, 3am and 5am, which is far more like they were at before. I feel like I have had a lie-in ignores fact babies were awake for an hour each time and so have had about four and a half hours sleep. S is saved from going in the bin. For now grin

StuntNun Tue 12-Feb-13 08:27:08

AFAIK it's fine to start weaning any time between 17 and 26 weeks (there are different guidelines for preterm babies) but it should be when your baby is showing the correct signs of being ready for solids. That MN article is very helpful.

Sophiathesnowfairy Tue 12-Feb-13 08:27:28

I usually start with baby rice, pear, then carrot and go through the root veg then. Thought apple was later as is quite a strong taste.

Passmethecrisps Tue 12-Feb-13 08:28:56

Funny horsey I wondered what happens when a baby takes more that 9oz. P is a loooooong way from that but I do wonder

horseylady Tue 12-Feb-13 08:39:44

Interesting article thanks stunt as I said (I think!!) he's not ready for weaning yet and I'm in no rush either!!

pass yes I know?! Dh and I were saying, when we were in hospital I was in tears at the fact he had to eat 50ml at each feed (near enough) before we could go home. I could only just about get him to eat 10ml!! Then he suddenly started ramping up the volume of feed and hasn't really slowed down!! Which is incredible for a baby who's gone from 60th to 25th. Anyway he's happy, healthy so something must be right!! I'll just offer more. It's not really an issue.

Sophiathesnowfairy Tue 12-Feb-13 08:42:45

Obviously I reserve the right to change my mind on that and keep him a baby till he is 15 put it off if he is not ready

TooManyDicksOnTheDancefloor Tue 12-Feb-13 08:59:19

Morning everyone!

Well done baby VQ! Sounds like you had a much better night.

Happy birthday to me! I had planned on going out shopping, a nice lunch etc, but dd1 has a virus and woke me up vomiting again. It looks like my birthday will be spend watching CBBC. Boo! I'll mostly be having my own pity party today sad

YellowWellies Tue 12-Feb-13 09:11:42

My sis didn't manage to introduce apple until quite late as its very acidic - a dreadful first food to suggest for a baby with potential acid reflux shock

I can't even go to the damn supermarket without it being a hassle!

I want to shop at Waitrose today & phoned before hand to see if they have shopping trollies for 2 babies (like all the other supermarkets do). You would think I would get a simple response but no, they can't answer my question and need to ring me back! So frustrating. Bet they don't have and I wont be getting the lovely food I had planned to buy thinking about leaving one baby at home

Phew, they have them!

PetiteRaleuse Tue 12-Feb-13 09:19:42

I think I am going to avoid the weaning discussions on here. We do it very differently. It worked with DD1 so will do the same with DD2. Not yet though. Dd1 was 17 weeks and ready. Dd2 will be 17 weeks on Friday and not ready yet. The Dr wants me to try before our next appointment on March 7 so that we can talk over any problems, so I've got a few weeks.

PetiteRaleuse Tue 12-Feb-13 09:20:52

Happy birthday Dicks thanks

Jims Tue 12-Feb-13 09:23:11

stunt maybe ring the airline to book assistance? I did when travelling from glasgow to reading on the train whilst 8 months pregnant with a 2 year old. Virgin trains v helpful at the start of the journey and helped with my bag - went completely tits up when train was delayed and i missed my reserved train connection but did get £50 vouchers when i complained about having to sit in the corridor on the floor for 2 hours as a result!! To be honest, there were so many people on the last train we had no hope of making it to the seats to even ask whether someone could give theirs up.

Very proud of my little munchkin this morning!

We had 2 oz at 5pm last night, 1oz at 7 then went to bed at half 8 and didnt wake up til 4am!! Drank her whole 4oz bottle and just had another. Might be on to a winner today!

TooManyDicksOnTheDancefloor Tue 12-Feb-13 09:24:53

Thanks PR, you don't know how much those flowers have cheered me up! I opened my present from Dsil to find she had bought me chocolates, great, was about to eat one and realised they are all DARK CHOCOLATE! I hate dark chocolate, I actually shed a tearhmm.

PetiteRaleuse Tue 12-Feb-13 09:30:55

You're welcome. It was just a cheap bunch from the garage grin am too poor for the proper florist atm

Catbag Tue 12-Feb-13 09:47:17

dicks Many happy returns! Hope that you can escape CBBC for a least a bit today and do something grown up smile

PR grin

ValiumQueen Tue 12-Feb-13 09:52:02

dicks happy birthday. Hope DD is soon mended.

Thank you for all the weaning advice. I did think that YW nobody seems to think it is reflux, but I still think it is mild or intermittent. Anyhoo, he woke at 9.30 so another 4 hour stint.

I feel almost human today.

Pancakes for lunch. Starting by cutting out cheese first wink

kissyfur Tue 12-Feb-13 09:52:04

Happy birthday Toomany! thankswine sorry to hear about the chocs hmm

DD1 didn't go to Playgroup this morning, she said she doesn't feel well but I suspect she's telling porky pies - do they really start skiving at 3 yr old?!

Not sure about weaning early, I think I'll wait til 6 months. Can't remember all the recommendations so off to read the mumsnet article, thanks for linking stunt

ChunkyChicken Tue 12-Feb-13 10:07:54

Happy birthday toomany hope you get some nice choc later.

It's funny what little things can do to your mood.

I'd been feeling far more positive about things lately. Ignoring the housework, trying to spend time enjoying the kids, trying to appreciate the things DH does to & ignore the things he doesn't. Then all at once - BOOM! I start feeling low again & why? 2 smallish things really.

Firstly, DH didn't give me a kiss when he got in from work on Thursday. We were at my parents & my DM noticed. She said something at the time & asked whether he was better since yesterday.
Secondly, DH is away. He didn't txt to say he got there ok. He didn't make much effort to phone me in the evening. And when I had to call him this morning about the neighbours/our gate key (long story), he seemed eager to get off the phone to get his breakfast.

The stupid thing is, he's always been like that when he's away & speaking on the phone. Like everything else is more important than me iykwim. It's bothered me but not as much. I guess because he always seemed so loving at home.

I feel so unimportant to him atm. I'm fed up of feeling that way. sad

daisychain76 Tue 12-Feb-13 10:22:55

Aw, chunky. Little things can mean a lot when you are tired and worn down. Sounds like a bit of typical male thoughtlessness.

Happy birthday dicks.

On weaning, l always did root veg first on the grounds if they had sweet first they might be harder to get onto savoury. Also cos pear tends to go straight through LOs!

H slept 5 hours last night for first time ever!! This was after dh gave him hungry baby formula which he bought by accident and ran out of the other stuff. He is bf with one bottle a day. Does make me think about weaning. He is 20 weeks, but 13 corrected. l know you wean to their actual age, but it still feels too early.

TheDetective Tue 12-Feb-13 10:23:22

Happy birthday TooMany!!

You couldn't make this shit up. DPs car won't start again.

I'm sat here crying in to my beans with no effing toast.

Shitter of a night for our usual ones. Shitter of a morning. And Oscar keeps thinking he can go 5 hours or longer IN THE MORNING when he gets up without a feed. Grrr. No. You can do that AT NIGHT!

Happy birthday Toomany.

Daisy I am waiting until 26 weeks with mine. They just don't seem ready, they will be 20 weeks on Saturday.

ChunkyChicken Tue 12-Feb-13 10:31:42

Oh no detective but, in the nicest possible way, glad I'm not the only one sad this morning...

And thanks daisy you're probably right, but it feels like there's lots of thoughtlessness and little things gong astray at the mo. I am tired but not terribly so. I just want the man I married back - the one that couldn't stop kissing me on our wedding day, so much so that the photographer commented on it. The one that used to make a beeline for me when he walked in the door to say hello, and kiss & hug me. Feel a bit sorry for myself ATM. I bet its just he's preoccupied with shit at work at just doesn't realise how important that stuff is!!!

BigPigLittlePig Tue 12-Feb-13 10:33:19

Birthday thanks for dicks
Pity thanks for det, pr and anyone else who's had a shit night

LO fed at 9.30, 2.30 and 6.30 again, she seems to have got the hang of feeding at night, but after then 2.30 feed (which I could set the clock by) she's awake for a while, and won't settle back in her cot. Even if I put her down asleep she wakes up and cries for a cuddle. When she goes to sleep in our bed, she buries her face into the pillow hmm - not sure how to safely recreate something similar in her cot.

Weigh in day today - suspect the magical doubling of weight will have been acheived especially if number of chins is anything to go by

TooManyDicksOnTheDancefloor Tue 12-Feb-13 10:34:04

Thanks everyone grin

I hope some luck comes your way soon detective, if you like dark chocolate I'll send you a boxsmile

((hugs chunky))

TheDetective Tue 12-Feb-13 10:34:44

sad at us feeling sad chunky

Can't wait for sweary Wednesday!

I'll be here and ready at midnight. grin

Off to find battery reciept it's only 18 mths old.

BigPigLittlePig Tue 12-Feb-13 10:35:28

Oh yes and thanks for chunky too! Sometimes it feels like I have to drag a kiss out of dh when he gets in from work. I'm sure he would give me a kiss eventually but I think I crave some adult attention after spending the day talking gibberish.

TheDetective Tue 12-Feb-13 10:35:53

Thanks but no thanks! Ewww @ dark chocolate! Who buys someone else dark choc! Tut!

Hope you get some better pressies!

YellowWellies Tue 12-Feb-13 10:49:40

Well done Valium Prince what a little belter! DH is now showering on an evening - hence Jonas and I slept til 8.15 - I love that man smile

ChunkyChicken Tue 12-Feb-13 10:51:30

Thanks all!! Trying to give him benefit of the doubt. And yy to being desperate for adult attention but then I kinda feel that I can't keep his attention with just kid stuff iyswim, so then want to talk about something else, but can't. Which also makes me sad because he should be interested in the kids... We need some serious talk & adult only time I think!! Thankfully my DM & DF are looking after the kids on Friday, so not long.

Pikz Tue 12-Feb-13 10:52:47

Happy biff day toomany!

Sorry detective I swear you have had as much bad luck as VQ and PR so you should split your lottery win 3 ways.

Good night here after yesterday's dreadful day. Detective I too have a baby who will go 6 hours between 3 and 9 without food but wakes at 7. Why he doesn't do it during night!!

First swimming lesson later... Praying he doesn't scream through it

glendathefedupwitch Tue 12-Feb-13 10:53:54

HAPPY BIRTHDAY DICKS what a shame you cant get out - though a duvet day sounds like my idea of heaven!!!

chunky awwwwwww tell him - im sure its typical male being preoccupied, but its these little things that when they change affects us soppy women the most.

horsey its dd1 who has riding lessons - cant take them away from her, just like ice skating for her and ds - expensive hobbies i know but its my way of getting them into something other than xbox crap so that when they are teens they wont be sitting on a park bench necking thunderbirds, snogging boys/girls like i did

thank you so much for all your advice and thoughts - honsetly dont know what was wrong with me yesterday - burst into tears the minute dh walked in and he said we will sort it all out and then when dottie had a meltdown when she woke up after being a little diamond at the childminders who managed to get her to sleep in a moses basket, without swaddle for longer than 15 minutes made me burst into tears again thinking she didnt like me and preferred to be with cm pathertic huh? then for bedtime feed she would not feed from me, she dragged my nipples 6 yards, scratched me and then get pulling off and ended up refusing the boob - i warmed up 4oz i had expressed earlier and she took it eagerly - whats with the refusal???

she went to bed at 11pm but then up for a feed at 2am she was all snotty and couldnt breathe so had to put a pillow in her cot so she was elevated and on her side but then she was up again at 5am - sleep regression/growth spurt???

had a chat if you could call it that with dh and although we havent got 2k he said we can use the holiday fund which has £600 in it and if im careful with money between now and march 18th i should have a good chunk of it. just have to give up my next/ebay addiction

think im feeling better today - dont feel on the verge of tears which is good

pr had a read of your blog - the swingers phone calls had me in stitches - thank you for the laugh x

PetiteRaleuse Tue 12-Feb-13 10:54:52

I'm saving up swearwords for tomorrow. DD still has a temp of 39.2 even with calpol and nurofen. She seems fine though, playing happioy, eating. Hoping it's just a blip.

LO just vommed all her mik up. For no apparent reason. Also seems fine. I'm the only one with no energy... Soetimes I just sit and wonder if this is my life now. The first two years are the hardest. I just don't enjoy the baby part. Even though I do love the giggles and the snuggles. Two bad nights and I'm depressed as anything. Didn't help that I spent hours making a yummy soup yesterday andit was as un yummy as vomit. Even looked like vomit. I've never messed up soup before, I don't know what went wrong.

YellowWellies Tue 12-Feb-13 10:58:15

You buggers talking about the 'brown food' if DS can tolerate soy lecithins - we can have dark chocolate. My first chocolate in 8 weeks. I'm nearly knawing my limbs off at the thought. And this from someone who hates dark chocolate previously.... meh its as close to a dairy milk or kit kat chunky I'm going to get for a while so I'm trying not to look a gift horse in the mouth. Fingers crossed on the soy.....

Lots of kicks up the arses being sent to those with DH troubles sad

PetiteRaleuse Tue 12-Feb-13 10:58:19

glenda I am still getting those calls, though fewer as I am slowly working through the online directories with my number on and asking them to remove it. Last night I explained to the bloke who called the situation, andhe saud it doesn't matter about the club, was I available. I used up my quota of French swearwords for the week.

glendathefedupwitch Tue 12-Feb-13 11:04:21

pr omd that is funny!!! though not for you - cheek of him!!!

YellowWellies Tue 12-Feb-13 11:05:07

Glenda nipple tugging, stretching and boob refusal can be due to something in your diet affecting the taste or smell of your milk - did you have anything spicy or caffeine? Other foods can trigger it too - maybe keep a note of what you ate and see if it happens again? We get it from pork and the morning after I've had alcohol - little bugger is like a diet policeman in this house...

Lots of love to PR and Det you ladies have had a rotten run of luck - hope it changes soon xx

PetiteRaleuse Tue 12-Feb-13 11:16:17

I love my dog. He is like a free babysitter. Keeping DD1 occupied with cuddles while I look after LO or MN.

MissMummy1 Tue 12-Feb-13 11:35:02

Happy birthday dicks. Hugs PR , chunky , detective and anyone else who needs themthanks

I woke up in a shitter of a mood and it is getting progressively worse. I think I should just go back to bed. sad

My mum cancelled lunch because her friend (who I can't stand but that's irrelevant) is coming instead. I ALWAYS see my mum on a Tuesday. I want to stamp my feet and have a childish strop.

DP promised to make pancakes this morning but didn't. He did however take M downstairs for a couple of hours.

I got a phonecall offering me the job I applied for yesterday on the spot. Or so I thought. How does an office based adult education role suddenly become a door-to-door sales pitcher? They can fuck away off too.

Oh and M twatter me in the eye twice while we were cuddling earlier. I am not angry with her though.

Sorry, very me me me. I'll slink away until sweary Wednesday...

TheDetective Tue 12-Feb-13 11:36:16

Phew. Just spoke to Halfords who we got battery from 18mths ago and they will replace it for free.

Some good luck! DP owes me and my smooth talk!

glendathefedupwitch Tue 12-Feb-13 11:36:57

yw oh hmmmmmm i dont think so yesterday i had a bacon and egg buttie for lunch and then cheese n crackers for tea - only caffeine i have is 2/3 cups of tea a day - im useless at food control so i'll be buggered if she has an intolerance to anything.

glendathefedupwitch Tue 12-Feb-13 11:41:14

mm thats crap - i had same thing when i went to manchester - arranged to see my brother and dad on saturday and my nan on sunday nothing to do with me wanting a roast lamb dinner and homemade apple pie but she must have moaned to my dad as her fancy man shes 86 lol goes round every sunday so the days got swapped, but missed out on spending day with my brother as he had to go home early sunday morning grrrrrrrr once a frickin year and she couldnt change arrangements!!! its piss poor when standing arrangements get cancelled for others - makes you feel like crud!!!! however mm you are definitely not crud xxx

PetiteRaleuse Tue 12-Feb-13 11:42:10

I can't wait til pancakes tonight. Ham and cheese ones to start for DD1, then lovely sugary lemony yumminess for the rest of us.

DD1 is running round in just a vest and nappy. It's freezing in here. I suppose if she has a temperature she'll be fine won't she.

ValiumQueen Tue 12-Feb-13 11:42:41

I just made cakes with my children. Jacob was more in an advisory role. It made us all happy (especially the eating when Jacob was asleep) I did not shout at all!

MissMummy1 Tue 12-Feb-13 11:45:32

My sodding printer won't print either. It worked perfectly well until DP started pissing about with it angry

YellowWellies Tue 12-Feb-13 11:45:58

MM boo! Come round to my sisters after massage instead?

glendathefedupwitch Tue 12-Feb-13 12:23:58

fabulous we're back to the "im so tired, but nothing is going to settle me so i'm just gonna be hysterical all afternoon and give mummy a breakdown" back to not liking me cos i dont know what the fuck she wants sad

PetiteRaleuse Tue 12-Feb-13 12:30:58

LO prefers drinking her milk next to me sat in my feeding cushion, and won't drink in my arms anymore. Why? sad

BigPigLittlePig Tue 12-Feb-13 12:48:31

Babies are contrary little buggers. I've got a farty one here this morning.

pr I had a soup disaster the other week when the blender broke mid-blend (only it wasn't the blender it was the plug socket, just didn't discover that for another 24 hours) - the soup looked like vomit so nobody else would eat it sad

<note to self - must get plug fixed before house blows up>

PurplePidjin Tue 12-Feb-13 12:58:15

thanksandbrewto those in need.

This morning went ok. Some glaring examples of inexperience, some bits were really good. I reckon I'm capable.

The enormity of having to leave R, and the whole fucked up situation, have now hit. Luckily I have GP later!

glendathefedupwitch Tue 12-Feb-13 13:06:10

I'm gonna give up bf'ing - don't want to but Dottie prefers ff - after nothing would settle her I made an 8oz bottle and she's demolished 7ozs while I sit here sobbing

Sorry to be marvin off of hitchhikers guide but I have no rl friends close by and hv is 22 and I wouldn't feel comfortable sharing with her.

Think I might have pnd - it's not normal to think my baby doesn't like me. I have no patience and have contemplated walking out of the door.

ValiumQueen Tue 12-Feb-13 13:16:24

glenda big hugs honey x sometimes babies prefer the bottle as it is easier. It does not mean she does not like you, just that she is a lazy bugger grin I think our emotions can change so very quickly according to how are baby is as we are intertwined with them. I am a new woman today because the little sod is happier and sleeping. I was getting quite worried about myself the other day. You are about to undertake a training course that is a pretty big deal - for anyone, let alone a mum of three, one being fairly small. You also have a few money worries, so life is bound to be challenging at the moment. Maybe Dotty having a bottle will actually be a good thing in the long run - not having to express at work, worry about leaks, share night feeds etc. cold comfort at the moment, and I understand how you feel this as rejection. They are too small to make conscious decisions, they are too small to hate you, they are the ultimate in selfish beings and they are made cute looking for a very good reason. Maybe make an appt with GP to discuss feelings? <<looks sternly at Dotty for making mummy sad>>

ValiumQueen Tue 12-Feb-13 13:17:54

Well done PP hope it goes ok at GP. Hope you hear good news about the job too x

Glenda firstly, have a hug and a cuppa.

Your baby doesn't hate you at all, I'm sure you are her world! If bfing isn't working and yourlife will be easier and happier with formula then use formula!

Next thing to do is get on the phone to the GP and make an appointment about the PND. Take it easy and look after yourself. You're doing a great job. smile

Sophiathesnowfairy Tue 12-Feb-13 13:19:43

Forgot to wear a panty liner to Zumba. blush

Man just dinged on my bell to tell me my car door was open. I got back at 12:00. Double blush

TooManyDicksOnTheDancefloor Tue 12-Feb-13 13:21:17

(((((hugs Glenda))))) I know how that feels. Dd1 went on nursing strike when she was around 12 weeks. She would take a bottle but screamed blue murder if I tried to breastfeed her. It only went on for about 2 weeks and eventually she started feeding again, but it was the hardest, most emotional two weeks of my life. If you are happy stopping then do it, just remember, she's loves you, you are her mummy, you are her world. thanks

ChunkyChicken Tue 12-Feb-13 13:27:10

Awwwww glenda hugs. She does like you, she loves you!! She just doesn't know it yet... I think others know more about PND than I, but its understandable that you feel like that. It becomes v personal when bfing & they seemingly reject us our milk. You have a lot of stress on & from what you said above, she may have a cold, so finding the bottle easier. Don't make any rushed decisions. Give her the formula & try again later when you're both calmer. And I've cried so much today that I keep wondering if I might have PND too, so you're not alone.

mm that's disappointing. I was looking forward to seeing friends yesterday & when they cancelled for illness I was v disappointed.

VQ envy of the making cakes. I want to with DD but my oven destroys cakes. Think bottom black & burnt, top soggy & sunken.sad Have to make do with shop bought instead.

pidj glad things went ok. Fingers crossed for you. Sorry its brought home to you your situation - you've a lot on your plate.

Text DH. He said sorry & will ring as soon as his lectures are done later. Think he was being typical male. I think I'm missing being me, so him not treating me like "me" & just almost overlooking me hurts, iyswim. Anyway, I've realised I feel a bit poorly so that can't help my mood.

Plus, I've got a flat tyre. Not sure how I can deal with that atm either!!!

Pikz Tue 12-Feb-13 13:31:29

Awwww glenda don't take it personally as the others said she just might find it easier right this minute.

I was upset earlier this week that despite making the decision to give him formula he took it so easily and my 12 weeks of running myself into the ground to make milk for him were just pointless. They are fickle little creatures.

Hugs chunky too.

VQ go you super mum!!

glendathefedupwitch Tue 12-Feb-13 13:37:00

thank you all

im not happy stopping = it was my one big thing this time around - only managed a few weeks with dd1 but as i wasnt working where iam now and didnt know what i do now about bf'ing.

i am ok about her having formula as i have no way of expressing when at uni and dont want to add to my stress but i wanted to bf her while shes at home (weekends/evenings) to help us keep our mummy/daughter bond

thinking back to when i had dd1 i dont think i had pnd but i had unhealthy obsession that she was going to be taken by paedophiles even to the point of not letting dh be alone with her ffs hmmmmm maybe it could have been pnd??? i dont friggin know - for the majority of the time im ok but recently having big highs - whoop whoop im going to uni, everything is fab to big lows.

PurplePidjin Tue 12-Feb-13 13:38:29

(((Hug))) Glenda. Definitely see your GP, or a different HV. or SureStart even. PND is serious but very easily treated once diagnosed. As already said, they're selfish little buggers! But that tiny head doesn't have the capacity for higher level thought processes yet - right now its "how do I get food easily and quickly"

horseylady Tue 12-Feb-13 13:43:44

gelnda from someone who beat herself only a few weeks back about ds never once latching on and bf I know how you feel. However, it's ok you know!! Ff doesn't kill them!!! He's lazy, he's obviously not yet a breast man smile he prefers a piece of plastic because it's easier and for whatever reason he has a very poor sucking reflex. He loves mummy cuddles lots!! And I never have to worry about when to stop bf!! Or mastitis or anything like that!!

See ladies smile I'm getting over it!!

My ergo arrived today smile it's very girlf smile lol

ChunkyChicken Tue 12-Feb-13 13:55:30