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April 2011 - nearly 2, it's still all about you <disclaimer, I might be having a bad day>

(997 Posts)
UnderwaterBasketWeaving Fri 01-Feb-13 18:33:04


Thanks to Frak, thread title queen!

Starshaped Fri 01-Feb-13 18:39:07


How are they nearly two?!

Our first aprilite will already be two! JoEW <waves> if you are lurking!

Who is next? There are a couple next month for sure!

UnderwaterBasketWeaving Fri 01-Feb-13 18:49:05

I was thinking of little C the other day!

F is two on Good Friday. We're going to go to the zoooooo!

Oops C is feb, not jan!

stats thread aw! I feel all nostalgic!

Kittycatcat Fri 01-Feb-13 19:27:38

Place marking!! Thanks frak for the title and ubw for starting us off. Great we are still here and going strong.

good work on the new thread. fizz, glad they've pinpointed the allergy for B, must be a relief.

P's birthday is on Easter Sunday this year. DS 1st birthday also fell on Easter Sunday. My house is going to be overrun with chocolate isn't it.

Took P on her first walk up to school in her reins this afternoon (as opposed to in the buggy) she loved it. I did miss having the buggy to hang all DS school paraphernalia off though.

There were loads of us on the stats thread weren't there. Maybe we need an April '11 where are they now thread grin

Starshaped Fri 01-Feb-13 22:03:59

I'm not on the stats thread. I was a full on lurker until DD arrived and I realised I was in desperate need of a sounding board! I do recognise a lot of the names though, and as I'm intrinsically nosey, I want updates too!

fraktion Fri 01-Feb-13 22:40:06

Oh you didn't! That thread title was a joke! <mortified>

JKSLtd Sat 02-Feb-13 12:58:01

Haha Frak grin

DD loves walking round the corner for a few shopping bits now.
She does have to have her own bag of course!
Luckily she was bought a perfect sized garish Hello Kitty one for Christmas, then you have to remember to buy something light for her to carry in it.
She does attract lots of 'ahhs' smile

ILikeToMoveItMoveIt Sat 02-Feb-13 13:00:09

Ha ha, it was my favourite title smile. thanks or the title Frak and thanks for starting the thread UBW.

The thought of our lo's being two makes me gulp. How can the time have gone so fast?

Ds3 is moving into age 2-3 clothes so this week I unpacked ds2's old 2-3 clothes and felt incredibly emotional. I couldn't believe that I had last packed away those clothes 2 years ago. Where had those 2 years gone? <sentimental fool>

We all went for a walk in the parklands in the village this morning. It was beautiful but so cold and windy. I'm still trying to warm up - hopefully the bacon, eggs and beans that dh is currently cooking will help! grin

I'm out either my girls wine has been had. I've told them about.mooncups and bum sex threads. I might have to. nc ¡¡ <hic>

Kittycatcat Sat 02-Feb-13 19:57:55

Ok fizz you've lost me? grin

ILikeToMoveItMoveIt Sat 02-Feb-13 21:45:18

My translation of that is...

She is out with the girls. Wine has been consumed. She has told them about moon cups and bum sex. She might have to name change.


JKSLtd Sat 02-Feb-13 22:06:12


Kittycatcat Sat 02-Feb-13 23:08:11

Hahaha I think that's it grin

I am soooooo ecked staying in my teenage bedroom . B is down stairs in lap of luxury. I think I met my mum on the tails fecked I am. BirthdAy batty at 10 am not happening

Feck I'm pissed


Love you all muchly seriously

Kittycatcat Sun 03-Feb-13 03:33:38

Hahaha your heads gonna hurt in the morning fizz. Love you too lovely lady grin

ILikeToMoveItMoveIt Sun 03-Feb-13 07:35:40

Ha ha ha,love it!

I hope you get a lie in Fizz, I am impressed with still being up at 3.30am!

It's my dad's birthday today so we've got the family coming over. The baking will commence shortly and dh can start tidying the house with the boys 'help'. I hope everyone has an enjoyable Sunday smile

MrsWajs Sun 03-Feb-13 14:34:54

Ahhh fizz now your fb comment all makes sense!! Well kind of.....

mrswajs I'm so so sorry about that. I don't even know what said. I am.not very proud of myself right now.

ILikeToMoveItMoveIt Sun 03-Feb-13 19:46:43

What's your crime Fizz? getting pished and then doing and saying a few silly things? Gawd, we've all been there smile

Is it really Monday tomorrow already?

Alibabaandthe40nappies Sun 03-Feb-13 19:52:08

Hello Aprilites!

Cannot believe our babies will be 2!

ILike I had an emotional clothes moment earlier, packing away some 18-24 pyjamas. They won't be coming out again for a baby of mine! <sob>

Kittycatcat Sun 03-Feb-13 21:14:59

My little man is barely in 18-24 yet. Shorty like his mum.

abbyfromoz Sun 03-Feb-13 21:36:53

DD in size 3-4... Yep you read right. She's super tall but still my little baby. Can't bring myself to go through her wardrobe again! Got a huge suitcase full of baby clothes that is bursting at the seams! Holding on much? All my mummy friends are onto baby number 2 and i'm doing everything i can not to get clucky...sad

JoEW Mon 04-Feb-13 10:52:29

Ah, hello ladies! I do still lurk but by the time I've caught up (or tried to at least) I've run out of time to write anything. And then I think it's a bit odd to just say hello, like some sort of weirdy internet stalker, but not contribute anything useful. Regardless, hello. I'm not that weird, honestly.

Hope you survived the hangover, Fizz. If it makes you feel better, it was my birthday on Saturday so I went out for a girls night on Friday and was so tired and hungover on Saturday that my dinner out with DH (we NEVER go out together) lasted till half nine, when he asked if I would like to go home and I sheepishly said: "oh god, yes please". We had a baby-sitter and everything.

How are all the preggers ladies? How many do we have. I've clocked MrsW but who else?

Yes, C is two on 22nd. How?? He's going to be moving up a class at nursery soon, not in the baby room anymore. He's still a little tiddler (anyone else still in 9 - 12 month clothing?!) but he's such fun. I love this age.

Hope everyone's on form.


I'm home! Still feel rough! Ridiculous! I'm so out of drinking condition!

Anyway! B was awake the whole way home so he's having a nap now, I might have one too!

I have never had a 2 day hangover in my life!!! Still I was out 3-3! There maybe is life in the old dog yet!

MrsWajs Mon 04-Feb-13 13:58:04

Teehee Fizz i wasn't really sure what you said either tbh so no harm done!! I had to delete the post anyway as someone had basically outed me as being pg!!! Very considerate, hope MIL didn't see it before then!

I'm keeping well thanks JoEW nausea has pretty much vanished although sense of smell is still in overdrive and i still feel a bit bleugh from time to time. I think the other pg ladies are keeping it strictly to fb at the moment so you might be better to ask there smile

So bought a new car at the weekend. Can't remember who suggested it but we went with the estate idea and got an audi A4 - tis v nice! Lets just hope now that i'm not having twins - don't seem to recall putting on 10lbs in the first trimester last time!!?

Daisy17 Mon 04-Feb-13 13:58:55

Good to see you, Jo, I mostly lurk too! S is still in 9-12 month trousers and 12-18 month tops, he's a dinky little thing, although surprisingly heavy with it and very strong!

Oh god! It wasn't me was it? That's my fear after I saw it disappeared!

JKSLtd Mon 04-Feb-13 14:20:15

Hi Jo, and pmsl at Fizz smile

I had a few on Fri night but luckily not too many this time, last hangover was a killer <getting old>

Do we have a birthday list? Did i post one last year? will look...

JKSLtd Mon 04-Feb-13 14:35:23

Here is the list from the Stats thread, I may tidy it a little & Start was it you who wasn't on it? If you post your relevant info (as much or as little as you like) I'll add you?

Gormers; DD1, Eva, 16/01 Already 2 smile
JoEW; DS1, Conor, 22/02
stuffedmk; DC2, Thomas, 23/03
Poodle82; DC1, Joshua, 24/03
LJB; DD2, Baby Girl, 26/03
Aprilmeadow; DC4, Finn, 27/03
Chillikat; Megan, 27/03
Lowra; DC1, Amber, 27/03
Petalouda; DC1, Felix, 28/03
Meg89; DC2, Teddy, 29/03
Alibabaandthe40nappies; DC2, Thomas, 28/03
Ulysses; Anna, 30/03
PussinJimmyChoos; DC2, Yaseen, 30/03
Liv77; DC2, Phoebe, 31/03
Thaney; DC1, Amelia, 05/04
Cyclebump; DS1, Henry, 05/04
NotAnotherNewNappy; DC2, Rosina, 06/04
BeetleBaby; DS1, Samuel, 07/04
rubybambini; DD1, Kitty, 08/04
Jaylar; DC2, Archer, 10/04
Kitstwins; DC3, 11/04
Sassy20; DD1, Lucy, 13/04
Daisy17; Seth, 13/04
JenAT; George David 16/04
Sats1977; DC1, Oliver, 20/04
Zafnoodles; DS1, Jacob, 18/04
lucieloo; DC1, George, 18/04
JKS; DC3, Mary, 20/04
Caramellokoalalover; DC2, Scarlett, 20/04
Frak; DC1, Marc, 21/04
AussieMum2Be; DD1, Dylan-Indianna 21/04
JollySergeantJackrum; DC1, Harris, 21/04
Chipsahoynicki; DC2, Isaac, 21/04
beckie90; DC2, Oliver Jack, 22/04
SaltedPretzels; DC3 Amelia, 23/04
MrsWajs; DC1, Robyn, 25/04
Natzer; April, 25/04
Tinwe; Hazel
Karoleann; DC3, Emily, 26/04
ecuse, DD1, Joanna, 27/04
ILikeToMoveItMoveIt; DC3, Ike, 28/04
LisMcA; DC1, Blair, 30/04
Architien; DC2 (DS1), Rose, 1/05
CountScoutula; DC1 Freda, 29/04
Trucha10; DC1 Evan, 10/05
Kittycatcat; DC1 Samuel, 11/05

+ Starshaped smile

ILikeToMoveItMoveIt Mon 04-Feb-13 15:22:48

Are you a name changer Abby or new to the thread - apologies if I'm being dim.

I have had a couple of 2 day hangovers before, so many sympathies fizz grin

You should come and say hi more often jo, there's nothing wrong with just a hi IMO.

Glad to hear the nausea is better mrsW. I was one of the people who recommended an estate car. We've got an A6 and I love it, it's old and knackered looking now but it doesn't owe us a penny.

I think I've seen kitstwins about on MN, I couldn't think why the name was familiar but the list has made it all clear.

fraktion Mon 04-Feb-13 15:50:41

Has anyone heard from or seen gormers since?

JoEW Mon 04-Feb-13 16:06:34

I was in touch with Gormers for a little while when Conor was in hospital but then it all went quiet. I've always wondered what happended with her and Eva. I do always hope everything is ok.

Yes, *kitstwins' was one of us, back in the day.

ILikeToMoveItMoveIt Mon 04-Feb-13 18:41:43

Brag alert ...

Ds3 just counted to three. I have no idea where he got that from, obviously picking it up from songs or ds2.

And, he jumped. Proper jumps with both feet fully off of the ground <proud>

GreenFirefly Mon 04-Feb-13 19:52:10

Hi everyone - new thread, new name smile I'm sure you'll work it out soon (and I'll put it on the Facebook doc). I feel all nostalgic looking through the stats thread, and also trying to work out who's who now after a few name changes.

And as I've name changed I'm going to mention my booking in appointment tomorrow - I think I'm 8 or 9 weeks smile I haven't been feeling too bad - though that might be due to warding off any nausea with chocolate digestives, I think I might put on a bit more weight in this first trimester than I did last time...

Nice to see you Jo smile - what happened to everyone else?

Kittycatcat Mon 04-Feb-13 19:55:03

Had to refer to the doc grin. Exciting times.

Hi Jo.

Ah ha! Gotch firefly! wink

GreenFirefly Mon 04-Feb-13 20:20:22

Nice to see Daisy too - and hello Abby smile

<<rushes back fom FB>>

Ooh, Congratulations Firefly smile

I am feeling rather guilty, I fell asleep on the couch whilst DS was doing his reading homework. What comment should I put in his Reading Diary do you think? blush.

Alibabaandthe40nappies Mon 04-Feb-13 22:53:19

GSY - you could say it was smooth grin

Nice to see so many people - congratulations Firefly smile

ILike - T is desperate to jump. He stands in the middle of the floor shouting 'jump jump' trying to get himself of the ground. grin He is also counting but no-one believed me because he had only done it in front of me until the other day.

fraktion Mon 04-Feb-13 23:09:57

Congratulations firefly

You're all coming out the woodwork - long time no see, Jo! Do pop on and just say hi every so often.

We also have counting but I'm convinced he's brewing a special kind of maths. 1-10 in English, 1-5, 10-15, 20-25, 30-35, 40-45, 50-55 in Welsh and no prime numbers in French hmm No jumping though despite my best efforts to teach him. Lots of bobbing and knee bending and a cute creeping step like playing grandmother's footsteps!

Gsy smooth is a good one. Fluid or even would work well too!

How's the hangover, fizz?!

Back to work tomorrow. Hmmm. No doctors appointments before next flipping Wednesday so I still have no idea why I should have been fatigued. Not helpful!

abbyfromoz Tue 05-Feb-13 00:10:31

Sorry should have introduced myself! New thread- fairly new to MN.
Love being able to see what other toddlers same age are up to. DD Ariana born 21st/04/11

She's been obsessed with counting and singing lately... And picking her nose (followed by 'errr YUCK') yep it is Ari...Sings twinkle twinkle almost perfectly with the hand actions, particularly loud on the words she knows (imagine- 'didel didel inel STAAAAR... upa buppa wod da HIIIIGH... inda na da in da SIIIIIGH!!) ok so nearly perfectly wink Seriously cute. Counting to 10 (with the exception of number 6) and back from 5 (apparently must end in 'blast off!)
Just enough hair to look like i have deliberately given her a mullet. We'll get there...

Kittycatcat Tue 05-Feb-13 04:39:56

Welcome Abby. I thought you were a name changer, apologies.
S loves to jump grin. And SHOOOUT. He says shout very loudly. He can almost sing three little monkeys, his current fave. Yesterday he tried to give A his bottle. And I heard him say 'alright Alex' when he was crying.<proud mummy>

ILikeToMoveItMoveIt Tue 05-Feb-13 07:39:19

Counting in Welsh Frakk? How many languages have you got going on in your house??!!

Have you not even had your blood test results Frak? Are you ok to go back to work? If you haven't seen anyone about your results how do you know if you are ok to return? <fretting>

Ds3 has an obsession with bouncing on the bed which I think helped him to master jumping.

Aw at 'alright Alex'

fraktion Tue 05-Feb-13 09:31:11

Erm 4 blush but we're only doing 3 with him <grasps at straws>

My catch-22 is can't see doc for more tests, can't see doc for results, can't see doc to get signed off unless I go through occ health at work and I do t want to do that. Half day today anyway, Thursday will be the test and next week is the killer 8am starts. Teens don't want to be learning at that time, I don't want to be teaching at that time!

Hi abby we're all insane. Looking forward to getting to know you!

abbyfromoz Tue 05-Feb-13 14:44:56

Thanks all smile
Frak- sounds like i'll fit in!

GreenFirefly Tue 05-Feb-13 15:42:28

Well that all went ok smile I saw the lovely midwife who came to visit after M was born - she asked how she was and tried to work out who she looked like from photos.
I mentioned I'd like an elcs to avoid the long unproductive labour again. Kitty it worked out well for you, didn't it? I'm also hoping that my red lumpy scar might get tidied up at the same time. But I'd suddenly wondering if I'm being wussy, but c-sec recovery isn't wussy is it? hmmconfused

I had a visit from Children's Centre people yesterday delivering the second bookstart pack - M is thrilled with more books. I've lost count of how many times I've read Wow! Said the Owl in 24 hours grin

Kittycatcat Tue 05-Feb-13 16:05:34

The only thing with the c sec this time is 10 weeks u til u can hold your toddler. I didn't wait that long. But you will need help for the first few weeks tho for sure. I was ok after 6 where with s it was 3. My scar is bumpy this time but wasn't last time. grin

Glad all is well Firefly, very envy of your 2 year Bookstart pack, they stopped producing the 2 year old one last year due to cutbacks and my library's supply ran out months ago. Your CC must have stockpiled.grin

Frak DH'S cousin has a similarly multilingual household. He's English, currently lives/works in France and met his Bolivian wife when working in Spain. Think he knows some Japanese too. I on the other hand got an E at GCSE French but do know a few phrases in Guernsey Patois, unfortunatly mostly ones which are not to be repeated in polite company.

Kittycatcat Wed 06-Feb-13 10:57:34

Help pls. Need a blender to make A's food. No clue what to get. The one mil bought for s was useless so binned it (after breaking it with potato). Any recommendations? And any purée recipes pls? We bough for S but it was expensive.

fraktion Wed 06-Feb-13 11:05:52

I'd get a hand held stand one although I love my magimux. We did BLW though so no real advice!

Starshaped Wed 06-Feb-13 11:50:22

I used my kitchen aid blender, which is a beast. They're expensive though so only worth considering if it's something you'd be using a lot. Such a faff to wash up though...

I know some people don't like her but I found the Annabel Karmal purees to be alright. DD wolfed them down anyway. We just got a book out the library. The River Cottage Baby and Toddler cookbook also has some nice stuff in it - there are recipes in there for the whole family.

I think the starter purees are just common sense tbh. We just steamed or roasted fruit and veg and then mushed it up. It's worth investing in some ice cube trays or little tubs so that you can make a load and stick some in the freezer.

JKSLtd Wed 06-Feb-13 13:24:52

I got a handheld one from Tesco which was cheap and good. Then we switched over to BLW anyway so hardly used it.
ps - trying them on potato will kill most of them though! not speaking from experience, oh no grin

DD getting into wooden puzzles big time all of a sudden, and counting to 3 too. Though she knows that '4' is a big number so asks for 4 of anything good she wants. e.g. Do you want a biscuit? 4! grin

Kittycatcat Wed 06-Feb-13 13:42:29

Note to self. Mash the potato.

get a ricer for the potatoes and you'll never have lumpy mash again. I'm envy of your kitchen aid star. its too big for us.to.have one. what colour do you have?

my blender is a Kenwood and it shzuzes <technical> whisks and has a mini processor bit.

Alibabaandthe40nappies Wed 06-Feb-13 15:12:58

Kitty I've got a Braun handheld which has done 5+ years and is still going strong - I use it all the time to do onions, garlic, carrots etc for bolognaise etc. It has a whisk, a stick blender and a little pot thing <technical> which has a v.sharp blade in it.
Saves me getting my big ken wood out all the time - it is lovely but huge and takes ages to clean.

Second the ricer recommendation, they are brilliant.

JKS - grin at 4 biscuits! Sounds like she and T have similar ideas!

Kittycatcat Wed 06-Feb-13 15:14:26

Ok blender is sorted. Just need to get my head round what to make.

I think I might be heading for depression. It's that it my hormones shifting. I'm not coping at all well. I seem to be shouting all the time and then crying. Alex has got all clingy. Prob teething/ sleep regression/separation anxiety. (4.5 months now). I tried talking to dh who said Im ready to go back to work. I'm not. I don't want to. I don't like myself at the moment.

MrsWajs Wed 06-Feb-13 15:27:39

Aww kitty have a hug from me smile

It's not easy when you're feeling like that. Take my advice and speak to someone sooner rather than later. I sat on my PND for months and it was awful. I really wish i'd dealt with it sooner. And i don't want to scaremonger but it came to a real head as soon as i went back to work. I was having panic attacks and all sorts. That's when i knew something was really wrong.

Try not to be too hard on yourself though.You've got a tough job on with 2 under 2 and it sounds like you're doing a fab job with them both smile x

Kittycatcat Wed 06-Feb-13 15:29:46

Thanks mrsw

ILikeToMoveItMoveIt Wed 06-Feb-13 15:56:03

{{Kitty}} I don't really know anything about PND, but what I would say is that your current situation will probably be one the hardest times of your life. Looking after children is tough. Looking after 2 under 2, well I take my hat off to you, I really do.

My advice would be to talk. Talk to someone who listens and isn't dismissive of how you are feeling. If there are changes that can be made to help you, make them. Sometimes situations are just tough and you have to weather the storm, but sometimes you can do things to address the problem.

I hope this makes some sort of sense to you x

ILikeToMoveItMoveIt Wed 06-Feb-13 15:58:55

I also meant to say don't underestimate the effect sleep deprivation can have on you. This time last year I thought I was heading towards PND, then ds's sleeping improved and so did my mood and outlook.

Kittycatcat Wed 06-Feb-13 16:01:41

Thanks ilike.sleep isn't too bad. Only do one feed in the night now.

abbyfromoz Wed 06-Feb-13 16:25:40

On my way to Heathrow ladies. Flying home to Australia solo with DD as my grandfather is sadly terminally ill. 30 hours in transit. Got the ergo and plenty of snacks and toys... Wish me luck!shock

Kittycatcat Wed 06-Feb-13 16:34:37

So sorry Abby. Good luck

Oh kitty <holds hand strokes hair> I've been there, I know how you feel. I'm like MrsW going back to work was my catalyst. I just couldn't cope with one extra thing in my life. Please speak to someone you trust. I called my HV who came to visit and was totally non judgemental. I was snappy and shouty and felt like I had constant PMT.

We are here to listen. (((Hugs)))

Kittycatcat Wed 06-Feb-13 17:03:58

That's exactly how I feel fizz.

Facing up to how you feel is the hard bit. Don't be afraid to ask for help. Do you get any time to yourself away from the boys and the house?

Kittycatcat Wed 06-Feb-13 17:18:32

Not as much as I probably should. But I feel like a bad mum if I want to! I have suffered with depression in the past but not for years.

ILikeToMoveItMoveIt Wed 06-Feb-13 17:44:09

Sorry to hear about your Grandad Abby, safe journey.

A Mother's guilt is bottomless, but I do think that it is really important to have 'me time' - I do hate that phrase, but it actually says what it does on the tin. Needing time away from the kids is quite normal - who wants to be at work 24/7? I sure as hell don't.

In my experience it gets easier to leave them the more times you do it. I used to have to say to myself over and over, 'they are with their dad who loves them as much as I do. They are loved and being taken care of.' I used to rush home out of guilt, I'd get home and the boys would be having a ball and dh would ask me why I was back home so soon! As the years have passed I very rarely rush back grin

Wanting time to yourself doesn't make you a bad mum, it makes you human. smile Going back to work was the trigger for me to seek help, but not because work was too much. It made me realise the Lisa I used to be at work was not the Lisa I was anymore. Work kept me sane when I thought I was losing it everywhere else. I'm not saying go back to work to get time to yourself, I hope you can see what I mean.

Looking back now I suffered depression in the past too, but was on my own, only had myself to look out for so I plodded my way through it.

You have two beautiful boys, under two! You are a brilliant mum, but you are also Kitty. Wife, sister, friend, daughter.

Kittycatcat Wed 06-Feb-13 18:45:28

Thanks fizz. I think I'm gonna call my hv.

fraktion Wed 06-Feb-13 18:52:10

<big hugs>

I agree that facing up to it is the hardest thing to do but it does get better when you do that. Di you feel you could talk to your HV or GP?

Thinking of you abby. I'm assuming DD is still on your lap. I'm so glad the next time we do long haul DS will have to have a child ticket as I got fed up of being squashed by the time we came back to Europe!

fraktion Wed 06-Feb-13 18:53:39

Randomly delayed post there.

Good that you're going to talk it through. You do definitely need time to yourself, for yourself. I think we all forget that sometimes.

Starshaped Wed 06-Feb-13 19:40:28

Sorry that you're feeling so rubbish Kitty sad It sounds like you're doing fabulously with your beautiful boys though and I think that you're being really brave in asking for help. Do you have a friendly GP at your practice that you can talk to?

Hope that your monster journey is ok Abby. I'm sorry to hear about your granddad and that you're going home under such sad circumstances.

I meant to say that we've got a Kitchen Aid food processor Fizz, not a blender. I'd love one of their pretty cake mixers but can't justify the cost. I cook absolutely loads and am always blitzing stuff in the processor but don't bake enough to make use of one of the mixers.

UnderwaterBasketWeaving Wed 06-Feb-13 21:01:43

Kitty, I can't imagine how hard it is having two under 2. I can barely cope with one. Time to yourself is important, I think I need to remember that sometimes (although I also get the feeling I should be spending as much non working time with F as possible, and so it becomes impossible to take time off). Hope your hv can help.

We've just had a right shock. F wasn't sleeping, not unusual. Just talking to himself. He started sounding distressed saying "mummy wipe". I found him covered in olbas oil, and had apparently drunk some.

OOH said he should be fine but to keep an eye on him overnight.

We freaked right out. (albeit it a fairly contained way) imagining horrors of internal chemical burns and toxic solvents.

We now think there's so much on his pjs and bed he can't have drunk much. But blimey what a scare.

He was pointing at it saying "drink!" We were asking if he had drunk any and he was going "yes! drink!"

Stupid thing is we've got a lockable medicine cabinet. just didn't put it back.

...I need a brew !

Kittycatcat Wed 06-Feb-13 21:03:37

Eek. How scary ubw. Still watching obem despite A being my last!

I bet he isn't choked up now though UBW! If he did manage to drink any I'd imagine it would be a tiny amount. I base this on how friffing difficult it is to get out of the bottle in the first place!

B has turned into an apple monster! All he wants is apples!he loves crunching them. I've taken to putting apple down with every meal so he eats it! It'll be something else next week though!

Just had a blueberry nappy! That was interesting!

UnderwaterBasketWeaving Thu 07-Feb-13 17:57:47

blueberry nappies are interesting, aren't they!

F has just won an epic battle with Number Two (like from Austin Powers in the toilet cubicle scene: "show that turd who's in charge!") It was like he was in labour! poor thing.

None the worse for wear today after yesterday's drama. grin

JKSLtd Thu 07-Feb-13 18:16:35

Scary stuff UBW, glad he's ok now.

Blueberry ones are interesting! And banana.
A new one for me was smarties the other day (obviously none of you feed your DC smarties wink) but the outer casing made it through intact!

Sma smart sma whats?? Never heard of them. <hides tube under cushion> grin

JKSLtd Thu 07-Feb-13 18:19:03

PMSL grin

They are one of the things DD asks for '4' of grin

ILikeToMoveItMoveIt Thu 07-Feb-13 19:40:43

Lol @ show that turd who's in charge grin

Dh is making dinner. No doubt it will be ready by 9 and by that time I will be tired and have gone past being hungry. I'm an ungrateful old cow I know, but it really doesn't need to take that long.

I always find blueberry poo's strangely gritty. I have yet to witness a Smarties poo, I feel I am missing out.

JKSLtd Thu 07-Feb-13 19:59:13

ILike - sympathies re dinner, sometimes DH insists that we'll eat together once he gets home, then ends up not coming in until 9ish, i'm ready for bed by then!

Think you best get shopping for some smarties grin

9 is an early dinner if my DH is cooking (which he does most nights). I have taken to missing out my lunch on the days I collect DS from school, instead I'll have a brew when the children eat at 4.30 followed by any leftovers. Then it's supper with DH sometime before 11pm.

I feel a bit blush about eating their leftovers as my meal but I hate waste and food is quite expensive here in comparison to the mainland. If I'm honest I'd eat the leftovers even if I had eaten lunch as I'm a bit of a glutton so at least it helps with my portion control. grin

GreenFirefly Fri 08-Feb-13 15:18:53

Oh dear. You're probably all very envious of my 5.45-6pm dinners then. Usually made while M is napping (like now) and fortunately DH is home around 5.30 so we all eat together.

But now time for a brew and a biscuit of the choc chip coookie variety smile

Kittycatcat Sun 10-Feb-13 01:49:45

Argh the sleep monster is here. Didn't get enough sleep today so keeps waking up. I think we had night terrors early on. And A not settling either. Tummy ache I think. He's i with me but restless. I'm not getting any sleep.

Oh kitty, I hope DH is letting you have a lie in this morning.

Kittycatcat Sun 10-Feb-13 10:32:37

He was up at 6 and off to Birmingham for the football. He had fri off and is off Monday. A is not himself very vocal and unsettled. Got his injections in the morning. Already cancelled them once.

He might not get them if he is poorly kitty. sad

Are you up to anything tomorrow with his day off? Any chance you might get some time to yourself? tell me to butt out, but he's getting his day at the football.

Kittycatcat Sun 10-Feb-13 11:04:24

Haha would never do that fizz. We are leaving the boys with his parents and going for early valentines lunch. Will see how a is in the morning.

That's good! Enjoy your lunch! smile I'm guessing DH is a hammer?

Kittycatcat Sun 10-Feb-13 11:08:11

Indeed he is. He's a season ticket holder. But he's been to loads of flipping football in the last week or so. Orient yesterday (I was out with the boys), wembley Wednesday. I did go out for dinner with friends Tuesday.

ILikeToMoveItMoveIt Sun 10-Feb-13 16:26:28

Don't worry about delaying the jabs Kitty. They're not given at an optimum time for the lo's, it's so they get done before the majority of mums go back to work. so it won't be to A's detriment if they are delayed again.

Being on your own with the boys and knackered is shite, I hope your dh has the mother of all lunches planned for tomorrow!

My mum is a Hammer as was her dad! has your dh ever seen Russell Brand at a match? I love him. Probably just a little too much. I never usually go for men with his look. Apart from Michael Hutchence, he was my first proper crush grin

Make sure dh gets he night shift tonight. Just knowing you're not 'on call' makesva huge difference ime.

How's the C25k going Fizz <stares at unworn trainers>

Kittycatcat Sun 10-Feb-13 16:46:44

Ah cool thanks ilike. A slept for three hours after I'd given him calpol.
I think he has yes. I get that. There's something about him.

He is articulate and hamsome! And would do rood and durty things in the sack I think!! blush

Well c25k has um, well, it's been difficult this week with shitty weather, DH has worked late twice and I have no one to leave B with. I have had a wee walk at lunchtime round the pond at work (avoiding the nasty swans). In fact maybe I shouldn't avoid them, I could run from them when they chose to attack grin

I made more soup today, b is again refusing to even take one spoonful. He would rather have a Hienz Mums own recipe Sunday Chicken Dinner. He is a demon for fruit just now though. Blueberries, apples bananas satumas. Not all at once, but at least he is eating fruit, if no veg. Bar the odd handful of frozen peas!

GreenFirefly Sun 10-Feb-13 19:12:06

We had a tea refuser here tonight. Fishfingers chips and beans disappeared in a shot on Wednesday but tonight she licked ketchup blush off a chip, had a couple of bites of said chip and that was it. Even the beans were spat outconfused. She's had a few grapes, a bite of cake and some banana (most of which was fed to DH). We'll have the banana on stand by for a 3am hunger cry sad but DH and I are full of cold and could do with a decent nights sleep.

Kittycatcat Sun 10-Feb-13 19:17:00

Another dinner refuser here. I ended up doing him toast and he nibbled at one triangle. Putting him to bed now as anticipating another bad night.

JKSLtd Sun 10-Feb-13 19:55:03

DD didn't eat much for tea either, and she normally puts her brothers to shame (& makes me worry I'm over-feeding her!). Nothing of the roast, a bit of ice cream and that was it.
Don't expect her to wake though, just pack away a huge breakfast tomorrow, lol grin

Starshaped Sun 10-Feb-13 21:36:54

No food refusing here this weekend (last weekend was a different story...) - DD has been a human dustbin! I fear she has inherited my appetite!

Is everybody apart from me forecast snow tonight? envy I want some!

TwentiethCenturyGirl Sun 10-Feb-13 21:55:21

Erm, that was meant to be a jealous face and not a green heart. Damn the app!

New name by the way smile

Kittycatcat Sun 10-Feb-13 22:33:15

You can have our snow. I hate it.

Dh home and drunk but bearable. Took two hours to settle A. Been into S once. Have left S' monitor with DH. Night for now.

TwentiethCenturyGirl Sun 10-Feb-13 23:14:09

Night Kitty - fingers crossed for a better night for you all.

Kittycatcat Mon 11-Feb-13 00:02:45

And here I am with A who normally goes to 3/4...

I'm still up kitty! Insomnia's kicked in again!!

Kittycatcat Mon 11-Feb-13 08:51:25

Well A slept thru from his midnight feast. Whoop. And S slept thru too. Hurrah. Did you get some sleep fizz?

ILikeToMoveItMoveIt Mon 11-Feb-13 09:10:11

I could have joined in the up-at-stupid-o'clock-athon if I had known!

Glad you all got some sleep Kitty smile

We woke up to some snow this morning. No guesses what the boys and I will be up to this morning grin

Kittycatcat Mon 11-Feb-13 10:58:45

A's had his injections. He was very brave. Only cried when the needles went in. Stopped when I cuddled him after.

Slept from 1 until DHs alarm went off at 6.30, dozed until 7ish when B demanded attention! We've been to the shopping centre, the bank, bought new shoes (for b), visited the baby change in Debenhams where I left the most god awful nappy in the bin. Then quick stop at the opticians and home! B was on his backpack reins the whole time so he is knackered now <evil laugh> so I should get peace to have lunch and tidy up a bit!

My brother is taking his new(ish) girlfriend down for the weekend and they are sitting for us on Saturday so we can go out for valentines. I sincerely hope he is taking her out on Thursday, as this is their first valentines together. Have np et her a few times and she seems really lovely. Much nicer than the last one! B goes all bashful and shy when he sees he, so we might have a lady killer on our hands!

Good to hear you had a better night Kitty, and gold star for the brave soldier!

All this talk of new babies is making me broody ..........

It's half term so no school run smile
DS has come down with a bad case of tonsillitis sad

Snow, what snow? We had 1, yes that's 1 day of measly not enough to build a snowman snow last month and that's been our lot.
<<joins star/20th in the snow envy>>

Kittycatcat Mon 11-Feb-13 19:25:05

Where you going sat fizz?

Oh no gys.

A has pood twice and been sick. Don't think it's cos of the injections. He howled in his bath which he usually enjoys.... That could have been cos of the injections.

Dh and I had a lovely pub lunch today.

Kittycatcat Tue 12-Feb-13 07:55:36

Eugh. Full of cold and feel sick. A was in with me last night. S is crying just cos I'm not ready to go downstairs yet! Going to be a wonderful day.

ILikeToMoveItMoveIt Tue 12-Feb-13 08:05:16

Make sure you go out today kitty. Even if it's for a walk around the block, the fresh air helps everyone. I know that's the sort of thing your mum would say, but I do think there's some truth in it. And if the walk takes you past a cake shop, well that's even better!

Maybe there's something in the air? Ds3 has been a whinge bag since he woke up. I think he woke up too early which is why he is whingey. Hopefully our music group will take his mind of it. Or of course he'll have a complete meltdown in front of everyone. I know where my money is .......... grin

Has anyone stayed in Brittany? We're thinking of going there on our hols. Any recommendations for places to visit and stay?

MrsWajs Tue 12-Feb-13 09:20:48

Can I join in with food refusing and crap sleep please! R is being a nightmare just now, we're back to 5.30/6am waking and eating next to nothing - aaagghh!!

She is loving fruit as well though Fizz how odd! She's getting more and more vocal now which just makes it all the more frustrating as we get "no like it" and "no way! no eat it" She's even started refusing petit filous on the grounds that they are not 'Thomas and friends' yoghurts which I think MIL has been giving her!!!

MIL is in the bad books anyway after her terrible reaction to new baby news. She basically said "oh, didn't think you'd ever be going down that road again?!" umm, why?? And then topped off with "well congratulations, if it's what you really want." WTF?? I was furious. Needless to say she won't be top of my list to send pics of my scan to.

Speaking of which, scan is today!! Yay! Was originally going to be next week when I was 13 weeks but I begged for a cancellation and luckily they phoned me yesterday with one. Only bad thing is it's too short notice for DP to come so my mum is coming instead. Will post a pic on fb page later for you all to see. smile

fraktion Tue 12-Feb-13 09:28:02

Oh no kitty that sounds utterly poo.

I'm joining the lot on the unwell bench. DS was up allll night and just wanted DH but we had to take it in turns. He's currently BFing while watching Tangled.

Kittycatcat Tue 12-Feb-13 09:46:46

Exciting mrsw. Can't wait to see it smile

Eugh to all of us amd our icclies poorly sick.

A just had his first taste of baby rice. Went well.

Hello <passes out anti virals, anti sickness and anti illing hugs>

B has had some interesting nappies! Look away now if you are eatng or feeling queasy.

They smell cheesy <boak>is that normal?? It's not I know, but he is fine otherwise.

Not sure what we will do on Saturday with our pass, noting on in the flicks, and we have both started our diets this week so dinner is out. Might check the theatre and see what's on.

Just working on choir stuff again! Rolling in the deep! Love it! We've gone modern after the abba fest last year. Looking like our set will be One day like this - elbo, spectrum - Florence and the machine, Titanium - David Guetta and Paradise - Coldplay! We are getting a trip to London in July to perform at the summer BBQ thing down there. Anyone near osterley and fancies coming as my guests let me know! Ashley might be there again! grin

Kittycatcat Tue 12-Feb-13 14:15:56

Went to co op. bought smartie cookies wink... And mini eggs...and creme egg splats... And 'nice' biscuits!!

GreenFirefly Tue 12-Feb-13 15:10:45

Still got a food refusing whingey toddler here. She didn't sleep brilliantly last night either and I'm knackered even though it was DH who actually got out of bed blush. Like kitty I've bought supplies, mine is a danish pastry and I'm enjoying some quiet time while M naps smile
Anyone got any good toddler meal ideas? or easy whole family meals? I'm going to consult the Rivery Cottage baby and toddler book in a bit but all suggestions welcome - she won't eat rice, but i keep trying. Seems to like carrots, peas and baked beans, not really much other veg but will obviously eat anything put in front of her at nursery hmm. Tonight I'm going to try chicken, and some veg in pitta. Might add some cream and a tiny bit of pesto...

Kittycatcat Tue 12-Feb-13 15:50:52

I did the mumsnet pesto spaghetti the other day. It says bacon but ham would be fine. Cook spaghetti. Fry bacon if using. Put peas I with spaghetti 3 mins before it is cooked. Drain spaghetti and peas mix in bacon or ham and stir in some pesto.

Kittycatcat Tue 12-Feb-13 16:02:07

Tuna pasta? We have a pasta monster.

Frak I was skim reading and read your post as "DH is now breadtfeeding DS Whilst watching Tangled. grin

Get well wishes to all, I'm off to try and pour some AB'S into DS.

Bloody auto correct, Breadtfeeding indeed.

ILikeToMoveItMoveIt Tue 12-Feb-13 19:28:11

Ds2 and I love Tangled. Flower,gleam and glow. Let your power shine .... grin

I hope everyone's germs are on their way out.

Spaghetti Bol is always a winner in this house. I make the ragu with a shed load of grated celery, carrot, mushrooms, garlic and onion (grated in the food processor), tinned toms and beef and pork mince. It's always a winner and it is packed full of veg. I make a vat of it and freeze it.

Saying that, that is probably one of the few hot meals ds3 will really tuck into. He would prefer to eat little bits of finger foods rather than a plateful of one meal. His favourite finger foods are: cold sausages, ham, chorizo, cucumber, cheese, blueberries, apricots, hummus, grated carrot, grapes, chopped banana (sometimes with a smear of peanut butter on), sliced or grated apple. Have you tried hummus and grated carrot sandwiches? They go down well here. carbs, protein and veg in one sandwich - what's not to like. Also cheddar and grated apple sandwiches are tasty.

GreenFirefly Tue 12-Feb-13 19:51:39

Well she ate a little of the pitta with chicken and veg tonight but really went for the pitta and hummous. Will try the grated carrot when we have some. Can't see cheese and apple working - she doesn't seem to like uncooked cheese (other than boursin) though I do keep offering. Spag bol goes down well, as does lasagne. She also eats a fennel, onion and sausage pasta sauce i make which I can imagine lots of adults not being keen on confused. I really think it's time to expand my pasta sauce recipes as pasta is the one thing she really does like (it's a really bad day when that gets refused).

We had pea and pancetta (bacon lardons) risotto tonight. Very successful! I am beginning to see a pattern in him wolfing down things that may have a bit too much salt! blush

Daisy17 Tue 12-Feb-13 20:13:40

Miserable food refuser here too.....all coldy and molars coming through too, I think, poor lamb. He's fine at nursery all day then just comes home and loses it! Not great sleep last night either. Sigh..... Pasta Bolognese gets wolfed down normally, as does pasta with cheese and broccoli, pasta with ham and tomato, well, with anything really! I also make and freeze vats of potato, parsnip and carrot mash which I then bung tuna into or left over chicken. Quick and easy is my motto, and leave the posh food to nursery!!

fraktion Tue 12-Feb-13 20:33:30

We had that last night fizz!

Galettes and crepes tonight - refused - but ate half a kiwi. He's feeling crap though.

My backup recipe is pasta + large spoonful of crème fraîche + tsp mustard + peas (+ ham/lardons/bacon bits) - always a hit.

TwentiethCenturyGirl Tue 12-Feb-13 21:02:18

DD love fish - baked fish and mash, fish pie, fish pate. Fish anything really. Mackerel, salmon, haddock, sea bass and sole have all been gratefully received!
Chilli and spag bol normally go down well too. Stews tend to be my fall back dish for her - lamb, chicken and beef are good. The meat flakes up when it's been slow cooked, so they're easy to eat and they contain loads of veg.

There's a nice lamb curry in the River Cottage book GreenFirefly - that's normally a hit for all of us, although I add more heat for DH and I. The baked fish with winter tomato sauce is also a winner. Might be worth a try? Have you tried cous cous instead of rice? DD likes rice but seems to like cous cous even more.

Pancakes tonight. YUM!

Daisy17 Tue 12-Feb-13 21:28:26

Am now officially half woman, half pancake.....

TwentiethCenturyGirl Tue 12-Feb-13 21:39:48

All pancake here. I feel sick...

No pancakes here. I feel sick. sad

GreenFirefly Wed 13-Feb-13 19:19:28

You OK fizz?

I'm fine, was just feeling awful last night, like I'd been hit by a train. But I'm fine now!

Early valentine steak for tea tonight! Now watching Man U - Real Madrid with dh!

Kittycatcat Wed 13-Feb-13 22:02:09

I really shouldn't watch DIY SOS... Does restore my faith in mankind though.

MrsWajs Thu 14-Feb-13 10:11:12

Ugh worst night ever!! R woke up at 3.30am and would NOT go back down! DP went into her first and I could hear her screaming "no way daddy, no sleep, no tired" We left her til 4am but she was stil screaming so I went through and tried to calm her but made no difference so in the end I had to take her from the cot and lie with her in DSS's bed (he wasn't in it obv) she fell asleep almost instantly!? WTF?? I stayed there with her rather than risk transferring her back to the cot. She woke again at 5am until half past and then slept again til 7am. I on the other hand have had about 2 broken hours since 3.30!! Sharing a single bed with a fidgety almost 2 year old is not ideal. I'm working today too 1-9 sad Could cry. Oh and somehow I've also woken up with the cold...aaarrgghhh!!

MrsWajs Thu 14-Feb-13 10:11:43

Oh and happy valentines day everyone thanks

JKSLtd Thu 14-Feb-13 19:43:09

And to you MrsWajs smile

Hope you made it through work ok, some nights are just a write off, the trick is somehow not to get too depressed about the timing - which is always awful - and just get to bed asap the next night.
Easier said than done, I'm a real doom merchant in the dark.

DD was puking lots but kept tea down last night, kept breakfast down, all seemed fine, headed out to Jo Jingles & her hosp appointment to check her wandering eyes (another appt in a year, sigh). Came home, had some lunch, napped. Then threw up when I gave her a snack.
Think it is just because she's got such a sensitive gag reflex now.
So went out to McDs with her & the boys for tea (late pick up for DS1 so it's easier), she ate fine, came home, then threw up everything when she tried to eat a cake.

Lots of laundry, and God knows if she's still actually ill....anyway she's crying at bedtime which is unheard of for her. Luckily for me she's asking for Daddy (grin)

ILikeToMoveItMoveIt Thu 14-Feb-13 20:03:49

That's a lot of puke JKS, I hope she feels better soon.

I hope your shift goes well mrsW and I hope you get a good nights sleep when you get home. Early pregnancy and little sleep is an evil combination.

DH is currently cooking us a Valentines meal, it smells lovely. My present to him was a cheese hamper - one of which is heart shaped. I bloody love cheese. Not that I bought it for me of course .........

I'm off out tomorrow night to watch Brendan Cole - am v excited. We then have my niece and nephew staying for a long weekend - I can't wait, they're fab smile

Oh, what did you buy at Kiddicare kitty ?

Kittycatcat Thu 14-Feb-13 22:24:02

Hope dd is ok jks. So many bugs about. We still have the snots and coughs.

Hope u got some sleep mrsw.

I got s a new cup for his bedtime milk. I think we finally have him off the bottle. I said we were going shopping for a new cup as A needed his bottle because he's a baby, but s is a big boy so needs a cup. He actually drank from it so fingers crossed we are done. A has started on baby rice but his feeds are up the swanny cos he's ill. His reflux is worse too. The squawk is back. Also got s new plates. And a step so he can help and see what I'm doing in the kitchen-he fell off it already. Oops. Got a a bottle set with a training cup in it. And bibs for a. And I had a Starbucks.

ILikeToMoveItMoveIt Fri 15-Feb-13 07:57:40

Poor A and his reflux, that sounds horrid. Is it the food making the reflux worse?

I've been buying up new plates, bowls and cups too. Out with the melamine, in with the ceramic. It has taken me this long blush to realise that the boys find it easier to eat off ceramic plate and bowls because they are heavier and don't whizz around the table. I have been scouring eBay for some gorgeous sets. This week I've got Bunnykins and Paddington Bear sets for a song and they are lush. Not that the boys could give two hoots and dh is giving me a confused look as to why I don't just let them use our plates. Well I could, but that would be boring!

Kittycatcat Fri 15-Feb-13 08:05:43

Your dh sounds like my dh. Didn't think of getting ceramic. Will do so next time. I think its been his cold making his reflux worse and he had avoid night last night so in hoping we are past it now.

Kittycatcat Fri 15-Feb-13 12:48:58

It's the cold aggravating the reflux, been docs. My local boots has got probs with their gaviscon supplier confused

I saw a thread about the gaviscon thing. Apparently a whole batch had to be chucked so they are behind with the production. GPs are prescribing a milk thickener instead until supplies are back to normal. Maybe speak to you GP about it.

Let me see if I can find the thread?

here it is

Also weird is I thought I'd posted about my bargainous oxo plate and cutlery set I got in the kiddicare sale. With non slip bottom, but it isn't there!

I may be going mad!

Kittycatcat Fri 15-Feb-13 13:40:31

Ah thanks fizz that explains it!

UnderwaterBasketWeaving Fri 15-Feb-13 18:50:14

Kitty, I can send you a couple of boxes of gaviscon if you need it. F rarely uses it anymore, but the default prescription was for 4 boxes.

Kittycatcat Fri 15-Feb-13 19:01:31

I might take you up on that ubw, thanks. A mate has 4 boxes for me. My prescription was only two but I asked for more today. Cheers

fraktion Fri 15-Feb-13 21:10:23

Much sympathy on the refluxy coldiness. DS is really suffering sad Lasy night was horrific and then tonight we went out and he screamed when we left and was screaming when I got back sad Feel like a terrible mother.

Kittycatcat Fri 15-Feb-13 21:19:03

You are a wonderful mother frak. Children don't do ill well. How are you feeling?

UnderwaterBasketWeaving Sat 16-Feb-13 18:50:24

I'm sure he was fine in between, Frak.

We're attempting the Big Boy Bed tonight. (sides off cotbed) I've moved the chair to the foot of his bed. He's just hopped an elephant up to my shoulder and is attempting to climb over the footboard onto me. We started early, anticipating some hilarity.

Should I just go and leave him to it or keep doing the supernanny back-to-bed routine?

We're fully prepared to put the sides back in at 3am.

Kittycatcat Sat 16-Feb-13 18:57:27

Good luck ubw.

UnderwaterBasketWeaving Sat 16-Feb-13 19:20:11

I stayed till 7, and have come downstairs. I can hear him pottering around through the ceiling, but the monitor is quiet.

Just heard a big noise, but I'm pretty sure it was next door letting his cats out...

UnderwaterBasketWeaving Sat 16-Feb-13 19:25:10

Just found him sitting in the chair emptying a pack of wipes...

TwentiethCenturyGirl Sat 16-Feb-13 19:40:56

grin and that is why DD is staying in her cot until she goes to high school! Good luck!

There must be something in the water tonight. We are being treated to her full repertoire of songs through he monitor...

Kittycatcat Sat 16-Feb-13 20:02:02

Argh I hope not. I have Bombay sapphire and dairy milk. Dh is pissy with me cos I accepted ikea storage toy boxes from a friend without checking with him 'well you've made your mind up' 'the ones we bought were perfect'said sarcastically! I said they were perfect when we had one son on his own in the room. And I flipped out with s in front of my step nan. When I got in from taking her home dh asked if I'm ok and got a teary I don't know I response. This week was better so I really don't know.

fraktion Sat 16-Feb-13 20:07:55

Well M is downstairs having refused point blank to sleep but I want dinner. 2 weeks time I'm starting gradual withdrawal.

UnderwaterBasketWeaving Sat 16-Feb-13 20:38:07

Well F is finally asleep. About normal time for him, he usually does some extensive cot-roaming anyway. I expected worse, he eventually just stayed in bed, cuddled his bears and went to sleep. I was half expecting to find him asleep in the middle of the floor in a pile of toys.

Hopefully he'll be happy to entertain himself for a bit in the morning. But I won't hold my breath. grin

We are on wake up number 3! I think this might be us for the day. Dbro is here, but we didn't go out as B wasn't settling (I wasn't fussed about going out anyway). His bum is red raw with nappy rash. He screams in anticipation of a change. We've gone back to warm water and cotton wool instead of wipes but he hates us touching it. I could cry for him it looks so sore sad

kitty you are gong to have good days and bad days through this. Small insignificant things are going to send you up the wall, and someone asking if you are ok is going to make you cry. It doesn't mean the the good days you did have didn't happen, but it does suggest you do need some RL support. Have you seen your HV yet? I really can't express how much of a relief it was to speak to my HV (and you guys of course) that first step is always the hardest, but it is she first step in getting the old you back smile ((((hugs))))

JKSLtd Sun 17-Feb-13 06:18:54

What Fizz said, Kitty (hugs)

UBW - you're brave!! We have the bed ready for DD but I keep finding excuses to delay the move grin

Up here with DS2, 5.50 yesterday & 6 today, which for him isn't bad at all.
I spent yesterday in bed/on the sofa/on the loo with a poorly stomach. It still aches today but hopefully I'll be able to do more.
Though staying in bed until 2pm dozing on and off was rather nice smile

UnderwaterBasketWeaving Sun 17-Feb-13 07:02:02

Oh no,JKS, sounds rubbish.

I 3rd Fizz, Kitty.

F slept well in the end, but woke up about 4:30. He stayed in bed and dozed, I ignored him till just after 5 (which is nearly normal wake-up time here) but couldn't convince him to go back to sleep.

DH is off mountain biking this morning. I think we'll go and have a sedate pootle on my bike too. Although I foresee mega tantrums from most parties by lunchtime.

Morning, how was everyone's weekend? Did the sleep fairies come last night?

I need to tell someone this and I'm not telling anyone IRL. I bought the Paul McKenna gastric band book and listened to the hypno bit last night. I feel fantastic today. I slept like the proverbial baby (we all know that baby doesn't exist) I feel like a weight <boom boom> has lifted. I've been in a bit of a fug recently, dark night dark mornings probably, but the snowdrops are out and that made me smile, spring is coming.

I am sceptical that listening to a voice can make me lose weight, but if listening to it can make me feel like this then I'm happy!

Daisy17 Mon 18-Feb-13 09:36:04

Whatever works, Fizz.....So glad it's given you such a lift - and the sun and the snowdrops are so gorgeous, aren't they? Unmumsnety hugs. smile

Kittycatcat Mon 18-Feb-13 11:08:43

That sounds great fizz. As do you grin

TwentiethCenturyGirl Mon 18-Feb-13 11:18:43

smile Fizz.

I've used his 'I can help you sleep' app when I've been having spells of insomnia. I only ever use the sleep trance bit but there's something really calming about it.

No chance of not eating here today. We're having a sponsored bake off in the office and I've been volunteered as our team's Mary Berry. I like cake as much as the next person but am sceptical about being able to eat eight pieces. I'm feeling sick in anticipation!

ILikeToMoveItMoveIt Mon 18-Feb-13 12:59:35

The snowdrops are out here too. In our local park it was like there was a blanket of them on the ground.

We have had my niece and nephew to stay since Friday. It has been great but I am now knackered! They are off in a few hours, the ds's will be bereft.

Brendan Cole's show was fab. I'm not a particular fan of his, but he does put on a good show. A local girl was one of the dancers so the atmosphere in the theatre was great.

I now feel inspired to bake 20th, enjoy the cake testing grin

UnderwaterBasketWeaving Mon 18-Feb-13 13:20:28

Come on, Fizz, how many of us did hypnobirthing?! There's definitely something in it, and if it's making you feel good and it's not crack! then even better grin

It's half term, it's sunny, and we're having our laminate put in downstairs! Fortunately, a toddler group was on so we've been out this morning.

We're now having a picnic lunch up on the landing. Hoping F will have a sleep soon.

<arf> its definitely not crack! I know there must be something in it! I didn't do hypnobirthing, but I sort of wish I had! I'm getting more and more "new age" in my old age! I might just go and get patuli oil and braid my hair for full hippy effect!

Sun is out here again! It definitely part of my good humour too!

Kittycatcat Mon 18-Feb-13 18:01:52

Advance apologies for yet another me me me post. I've just had a massive meltdown. Alex has new restless today. Went lakeside with my dsil. He cried on and off. And now he hasn't slept since 230 and won't and its toolset now cos ill put him to bed at 7. I've never screamed like it in my life. He was in his cot. It wasn't at him. I just screamed and cried. Now he's falling asleep in my arms. Grrr. We are both snotty and huffy. Why didn't I believe anyone when they said i would have my work cut out? An old (ER) lady looked at me and pointed at him crying today and I had to ignore her or I would have screamed at her. Now my throat hurts from screaming. I don't think dh is getting me either. I will call the hv.

Oh kitty, are you on your own or is DH there? If dh is there, pass all responsibility for bedtime onto him tonight. Can you get out the house, a walk or a drive?

If dh isn't there, call him and get him home, you need him more than whatever or wherever he is.

I'm here so keep posting if you need to. Or message me on FB. Xxx

fraktion Mon 18-Feb-13 19:35:14

Also mostly here.

Sometimes you need to scream or cry just from sheer frustration. It's not you, it's not them, it's the alignment if the stars or something and it just all gets too much.

<big hugs>

Kittycatcat Mon 18-Feb-13 19:45:07

Thanks as always ladies. Bed time here. Not holding out hope for a has he's only been awake an hour.

JKSLtd Mon 18-Feb-13 20:24:41

Hugs from here too.

Been there, nuff said.

M slept on the way home from the zoo, so was up chatting for ages, think she's gone quiet now <hopeful>

MrsWajs Mon 18-Feb-13 21:48:09

Oh hugs Kitty It's really not easy when you feel that way, just keep talking to us if it helps smile

Fizz The sun was making me happy today too, in fact I got really nostalgic and a little bit emotional about my front doorstep!! I know that's very hmm but whenever it's sunny the sun shines right on to the front of our house and it just brings back lots of happy memories of sitting out there when R was little and also before she was ever around when DP nad I would sit out at night drinking until the sun went down! Gone are the days haha!! I'm now a little sad that we'll have to move house now because of the bean and we won't have anymore front doorstep memories!

Sleep continues to be up the spout here. After Wednesdays terrible night it got worse!! She slept VERY well at my mums on Thursday night (typical) and on Friday I think we had a 6am wake up (reasonable) On saturday night I do not know what happened but she was awake at 2.30, 4.15 (came in with us then) and up for the day at 5.45!!!! DP and I both fell asleep on the sofa at 9pm last night. This morning was 5.15am sad I am struggling tbh, I'm not meant to be surviving on newborn levels of sleep for another 6 months yet!!

Second scan is tomorrow so hopefully will get NT measurements and a firm date this time!

ILikeToMoveItMoveIt Mon 18-Feb-13 21:50:36


Does it help if I tell you that I have repeatedly punched the mattress out of sheer frustration in the early months of ds3? I've also shut myself away in my bedroom for 5 minutes to have a cry while the boys were rampaging downstairs.

Sounds like you need to speak to your dh and you need to be very honest about how you are feeling about everything. No holds barred, totally honest. He needs to understand so he can play his part in helping and being part of the solution.

Kittycatcat Mon 18-Feb-13 22:02:21

It does ilike. I did that earlier!!

Kittycatcat Tue 19-Feb-13 08:05:58

My baby slept through the night grin but he didn't wake for boob. Don't think he gets enough from me now. He had an extra bottle at bed time and that's what's helped I think, that and the baby rice, and sweet potato and carrot!

JKSLtd Tue 19-Feb-13 14:12:58

Yey for sleep!!!

Whoop! That's great Kitty. How are you doing today? smile

I have a dilemma. My ideal job has come up at work, but full time. As much as I hope they would still consider me even if I wanted to work part time, I have been overlooked twice before, when I am more than qualified. It's only a 9 month secondment, but would get me enough experience to open up many more doors and opportunities. B loves the CM and cries when I pick him up, so I'm not apprehensive about that. I'm not sure what it is stopping me, taking that big jump to full time shouldn't scare me, but I think it does. Then I add in us going for number 2 later in the year. Although it would give me mat pay of a full timer if I went off within the secondment. I need to decide so as the closing date is Friday! Dh is inboard, but he's about to be promoted and that will involve him having less flexible hours. Oh I don't know .............. wine

Kittycatcat Tue 19-Feb-13 19:53:11

Oh fizz. I say go for it and worry about the logistics If you get it?
I took a and s to the inlaws and cried when dfil asked how I am! They were v supportive and praised me on how I've coped.

JKSLtd Tue 19-Feb-13 20:00:50

I agree, go for it, you never know what might happen, how things might work out. But you will probably regret it if you don't try.

Kitty - they sounds lovely, I hope they are. Sometimes it's the simplest question that can set you off. A simple 'how are you?' can easily tip you over.

GreenFirefly Tue 19-Feb-13 21:01:09

Fizz, I agree with the others - go for it. Even though I know I probably wouldn't hmm

My turn for a rant.... M has eaten bugger all tonight. Put a dish of noodles in front of her, just like DH and I were having and she immediately picked it up to give it me back. Wouldn't even try it. Then wouldn't eat anything else (had done some pitta bread in preparation for refusal), also refused beans. Ate yogurt as always and that was it really.

And then there's sleep. I'm getting fed up spending most of my afternoon plodding the streets trying to get her off for a nap. It's taking most of an hour now - she still needs it as she'll sleep for 2 hours then, though I don't let her sleep after 4ish so it ends up being just over an hour which probably isn't long enough. And now it's bedtime and we're still trying to get her to sleep now - another 3/4 of an hour so far with her pissing about in the cot wanting cloths and blankets laid over her. How I wish for one of those babies you can kiss, say goodnight to and leave. If we leave before she's asleep she'll howl sad

10 hours (at most) at night really isn't enough at this age is it? (or for me at 35).

It's going to be a bad night - she'll wake hungry and because she refused to go in the sleeping bag she'll probably get cold wriggling from under the duvet.

JKSLtd Tue 19-Feb-13 21:21:34

Well, I don't know your DD so I can't say for sure but...

1) food, chill. she'll eat when she's hungry. All kids seem to go some meals when they don't eat anything really (though she did have the yoghurt and that's probably all she wanted). We wouldn't do it as adults (or would we? how many of us actually eat breakfast?? I know I hardly ever do) but they do as kids. You can worry or you can put the food in front of them, if they say no, shrug and say ok, then. It's taken me 3 DC and a serious-head-against-the-wall DS2 who is as stubborn as a mule + SN in the mix. He spent years only eating certain foods, then all of a sudden rejecting them out of hand. DD"s efforts in comparison are, well, pathetic grin

Also, you mention preparing an alternative ready for her refusal. Don't. If you need to find an alternative, make it bread & butter. Old fashioned but it works for my DC. It's plain if they're fancying something plain/feeling a bit off & boring so not tempting in the future.

2) Sleep. Well, as horrid as it sounds, you need to either a) get tough or b) accept that naptimes may be at an end.....Neither are nice I accept.
I hated when DS1 started dropping his naps. I'm sort of torn with DD. I love my quiet times after lunch but then the freedom of no naps will be lovely too.

Recently DD is resisting falling asleep for naptimes too and can manage a day without a nap, if we're out for e.g. Today she shouted/chatted for ages, went quiet about when I'd prefer her to be getting up & I had to wake her at 4 to avoid bedtime trouble.
I can see we're approaching the end of naps. When that happens I'll move her into a bed which will involve moving furniture & having a clearout - I sort of want that to happen and don't at the same time.

I may have had wine so apologies if a little blunt....smile

GreenFirefly Tue 19-Feb-13 22:22:12

Thanks JKS. I kind of agree with the food thing. I just dread the night time hungry wake up that often follows, though last week when she didn't eat she slept through confused. We're going through a bad sleep patch at the moment anyway so are trying not to make it worse. It's not unknown to have 3am banana at the ready. Beans are the usual fall back so I was suprised when they were declined (don't tend to have bread to hand --as I'd eat too much--). Think she's just testing boundaries.

I really don't think she's ready to drop the nap. She sleeps even worse at night without it (can you see a theme here).

After a big sob chat with DH tonight I'm going to try getting her out for the nap walk earlier tomorrow and see if that helps. Alternatively, I'm considering asking nursery to have her a bit longer and letting her nap there giving me time to get home from work and have lunch before picking her up.

Of course DH and I are extra stressed considering house buying and selling stuff and new baby arrival later in the year. So I probably have blown it all up into something bigger than it really is.

GreenFirefly Tue 19-Feb-13 22:24:04

And don't torture me with wine. I'm abstaining until at least after my scan next week smile

Your PILs sound great Kitty! Mine are, well, less so.

Spoke with dh and I think I'm going to apply. Just need to jzuszh up my cv a bit!

I think I'm coming down with a throat thing. My glands are up and my ear is itchy! Rubbish!

Daisy17 Wed 20-Feb-13 06:56:57

sad Been awake since half 4 ...... Tried to get S back to sleep in our bed which often works but he just couldn't manage it. I was so tired and frustrated that I cried infront of him and got cross which made him all tearful and cross too. I feel like such a failing mess of a mother....

UnderwaterBasketWeaving Wed 20-Feb-13 07:35:46

Morning all.

Dishwasher leaked on the brand new laminate overnight. That's why the fitters have nothing to do with moving appliances and leave it to us monkeys to botch it. It's not too bad. <hopefull>

Fizz: apply! You can always decline later.

Firefly: F is no good at tea time, more often than not he'll refuse tea, have a yoghurt and go to bed. I've taken snacks up before but he'd end up running around after his midnight feast. I've started only offering water and cuddles overnight.
I've got nothing on naps. I really sympathise though, it's precious time. Sometimes he naps, sometimes he doesn't. Everyone's always happier if he does!

Kitty, I saw a friend yesterday at a similar stage to you. Her joy at having her toddler at nursery yesterday was amazing! You're doing so well. x

ILikeToMoveItMoveIt Wed 20-Feb-13 08:04:39

Ouch @ 4.30am Daisy. anyone would react like you did, I know I would. Don't bet yourself up about it.

{{kitty}} - if you're anything like me you can't take compliments very well and then someone being nice to you when you are feeling emotionally fragile is enough to make you cry. Your PIL's sound lovely. Do you think they would look after one or both of the boys once a week while you are on ML?

Go for it Fizz, get jzusch'ing!

green whenever I am in a position like you, I sit down and make a plan. I think about how I would like things to be and make sure they are doable. From what you say, your issues are: naps, dinner and nighttime sleep. Tackle one at a time. I find starting off with the easiest first is better for moral! Some ideas that spring to mind are:

Are you serving dinner too late for dd? If they've gone past the point of hunger they'll do the food refuse thing. Maybe try a big lunch then sandwiches about 4.45?

If you don't think that's the problem then she's either not hungry or it's a control thing. A good friend told me this and it has always stuck with me 'young children can only control 2 things. What goes in them and what comes out of them.' What are two of the most talked about topics on the chat boards? Potty training and food ishoos!

Stop offering food in the night. If she knows she can refuse her dinner and still have something to eat in the night, then she'll carry on not eating her dinner. her body will also get used to having something in the night - much like we get used to having breakfast, lunch and dinner.

When you tackle the nighttime sleep. Either take a couple of days holiday either side of a weekend or start on a Friday night so you can rest in the daytime if needs be.

If you tackle it an issue at a time it is more manageable and often the issues are intertwined so they have a positive knock on effect. You'll all get there, it just takes time and a few tears (probably from all of you!)

I think I'll take the boys off to a local farm shop/small holding this morning. I have zero energy which isn't particularly helpful.

Kittycatcat Wed 20-Feb-13 11:00:00

Green-some good advice there. S also sleeps worse if he doesn't nap!
When's your scan? Exciting.

Fizz-eek. Hope you're not feeling too rubbish.

Daisy-ouch. Matchsticks and coffee today!!

Ubw-pants re dishwasher. I can imagine. I feel so guilty cos he's not actually that difficult. Pushing and testing the boundaries like the rest of them.

Ilike-they suggested doing it more ahead of my return to work, and they are having them on 5th for me so I can go and meet a work mate for lunch. I just want to make the most of them before I go back at the start of April.

A slept through the night again. I was down to only feeding boob if he wakes so I have a huge uncomfortable left boob today. I tried feeding him some after his bottle but he wasn't interested. S still wakes most nights. He has a big tooth coming through so I hope it's that and we aren't doomed.
Can't remember if I said we are putting the boys in together tomorrow. I'm going to ask Sam to help me move the crib into his room as he loves helping and it will make him feel involved. (Crib is on wheels). Wish us luck. I'm excited and scared. I get my room back but my last baby is leaving my bedside. The boys will love sharing as they grow but also nights could be awful.

Daisy17 Wed 20-Feb-13 14:39:17

Thanks, guys. Feeling greatly improved after a very tasty pear crumble at school lunch.....

GreenFirefly Wed 20-Feb-13 15:02:28

Anyone care to guess what happened last night? Yep, she slept through confused. Not that I did (damn the 4am toilet trip). And took her out for the nap walk today and she was asleep within 30 minutes, though I did set out earlier. Maybe she gets overtired and takes longer then. She'll probably wolf down fishfingers and beans for tea too.
Anyhow, I'm celebrating with brew and a danish.

ILike thanks for the advice. I don't think we're eating too late for her - it's generally 5.30-6pm after she's woken from her nap at 4 and had a bit of a snack. I'm beginning to think fussy eaters are born, not made as she's always been given what DH and I are having, though she has clear favourites - tomato pasta based things generally. I was just so disappointed at her not even tasting it last night (I realise I sound like my mum).
As for naps - I really should be glad it forces me out for a walk, as it's good exercise. I just feel it's a bit of a bind sometimes.
And nighttime sleep isn't that bad - DH has been making out it is (though he's the one that gets up to her first now) but she generally sleeps through, with an occasional single wake up and she can self settle most of the time as long as we're (DH actually) is sat by the cot. We do need to get bedtime routine back to it's earlier time as it's been creeping later and later.

Daisy, hope you're doing OK - 4.30am - urggh! sad

Kitty, good luck with the boys in together. I think you're doing a fab job coping with two and I'm sure I'll be asking for lots of advice come September.

I've applied! Sounded out CM at pick up and she would have him full time no problem! I think she might almost love him as much as I do! smile

We have several unexplained ouchies! The cm asked me how he did them and i honestly dont know! A big slice across his palm that could be a paper cut from his new book, and a big bruise on his leg. It's about the heigh of the side table in the living room so he could have bumped into that during one of his runs hmm. I'm beginning to think he can't walk anywhere! Only run.

I feel rubbish, feverish and yucky, I'm planning on handing over to dh when he comes in and going to bed.

B has just hurled his dinner across the living room and as I went to get kitchen roll he pulled the lid off his tippy cup and emptied it on the floor too! 10 mins til dh home!

Kittycatcat Wed 20-Feb-13 17:59:22

Oh god. Not what you need when you feel like poo.

I am going round my mates tonight. He's cooking spag Bol and I'm hoping we will watch the Michael mac DVD I bought him for his birthday.

UnderwaterBasketWeaving Wed 20-Feb-13 22:18:41

Blimey, Fizz! How can he get the top off the cup. I hate those things, I always soak myself putting the lid on/off.

Kittycatcat Thu 21-Feb-13 05:44:02

Argh. S awake twice. A has been sick coughing and I'm having to feed him. I've been up an hour. No doubt s will be up soon.

ILikeToMoveItMoveIt Thu 21-Feb-13 09:09:19

Rubbish kitty, have a nap when they do at lunchtime. Did you watch the MM DVD last night?

How are you feeling fizz? fingers crossed the early night sorted you out.

Today is messy play day at the community centre - hurrah! The theme Is potions. Ds2 is beyond excited about it and ds3 will come back with his clothes covered in lord knows what. He bimbles from activity to activity getting as filthy as humanly possible.

Have a good day Aprilites smile

Kittycatcat Thu 21-Feb-13 09:16:40

Hi. No we watched alan Carr instead. It was hilarious. I laughed a lot, amd ate an indecent amount of tiramisu!

Hehe. Sounds like messy fun!

Kittycatcat Thu 21-Feb-13 09:19:44

Ps we have moved A's crib into S's room.

UBW he has my tenacity and strong teeth! My party trick used to be opening beer bottles with my teeth! His is doing the same only with tommee tippee cups!! If he starts challenging us to down pints of milk, we might have a problem!

Working week is over! Still feel rubbish, but I have choir tonight. People better turn up or I will be hacked off.

Heading north tomorrow for my friends birthday. I am not planning on a repeat of my escapades a few weeks ago, but its a at the gold club that sells big measure for small money! A lethal combination!

Kittycatcat Thu 21-Feb-13 18:18:30

Have a great time fizz

Kittycatcat Fri 22-Feb-13 08:52:12

It's our first Aprilites 2nd birthday. Happy birthday Conor!

JKSLtd Fri 22-Feb-13 11:35:16

Happy Birthday Conor smile

GreenFirefly Fri 22-Feb-13 16:43:46

happy birthday conor.
DD is currently having a stop because she can't physically hold 6 happyland people at oncehmm

Kittycatcat Fri 22-Feb-13 18:15:25

They get annoyed over the silliest things don't they.

JKSLtd Fri 22-Feb-13 21:00:00

Oh yes they do!!

Kittycatcat Sat 23-Feb-13 08:40:07

So A has woken with a black eye. We had to go into him about 4 times last, and after the nappies I had yesterday I suspect he's got teeth coming. I reckon he may have head butted the crib? Just as well aware extending the 'Austin powers' crib to cot size today. Poor thing. He likes to pull himself to the top and put his head against the bumper.

Kittycatcat Sat 23-Feb-13 08:49:41

There is also the possibility he did it head butting me... He does this often... Like just now for example.

msbossy Sat 23-Feb-13 09:36:19

Kitty, did you see your HV yet?

I've not posted on the april babies thread before but DD2 was born 2/4/11 so the thread caught my eye.

The way you describe how you are feeling could've been me when DD2 was 4 months hmm. I put up with it (and DH and DD1 did too) for months before getting help. My HV sent me to the docs and she explained that I needed to take care of myself (my scores on that questionnaire were pretty bad). I have been taking a low dose of SSRIs for just over a year and I'm now in the process of coming off them. It changed my life. Two little kids is still hard work but I spend a lot less time crying and shouting!

You sound lovely and I hope you find the right support for you grin

Kittycatcat Sat 23-Feb-13 09:42:31

Hello and welcome msbossy grin
We are a lovely bunch even if I do say so myself, and you sound lovely too. I haven't seen the hv yet. I keep putting it off after a few good days. I've talked to dh and some close rl friends and that really helped too. I'm glad you are coming through it. Tell us about yourself...how old is dd1?

Hello msbossy! The story I am about to tell is not a regular occurrence, although is may seem like it after my night out a couple of weeks ago! But it isn't! I am practically a nun usually!

Line dancing ladies night with my mum last night! I dusted off my killer heels. Killer being the important word here! Played bingo (rock and roll) took part in the longest ever raffle where the white a green tickets were so close in colour women were fighting over the prizes. Star prize was a half stone of fish from a local monger! grin I won a wreath of chocolates! It weighs about half stone!

Jd was had, dancing was done, I avoided the buffet as I wouldn't be able to follow the 4 rules of Paul McKenna. Got home to my mums, killer heels intact. Just finished saying, I can't believe I still have these shoes on, when Sod's law struck. Arse over tit outside mums neighbours house. I have a scraped knee but more worryingly I can't put any weight on my left foot!

I'm a doofus.

Kittycatcat Sat 23-Feb-13 12:13:20

Ooooo fizz. Rest up. And send me chocs pls. Sounds like a good night.

TwentiethCenturyGirl Sat 23-Feb-13 18:46:18

Oh my goodness. A wreath of chocolates sounds amazing...and possibly worth spraining an ankle for. Mmmmm!

We're having a crappy weekend. DD is full of something and we've all had no sleep. DH and I have been snapping at each other and DD is just feeling sorry for herself. Urgh.

Hello mrsbossy - welcome smile

UnderwaterBasketWeaving Sat 23-Feb-13 19:34:29

Hello MrsBossy.

Well done on the injury, Fizz! I am impressed! grin <not helpful>

20th, sorry to hear your having a tough one. Hope you're all feeling better soon.

F is being a terror this evening. He's refused tea again, and didn't eat much for lunch either. He's been flinging his tea around, and generally being unpleasant. He's developed a really entitled/indulged "no" whine and scream. It's infuriating. He's currently refusing to lie down and is breaking books and throwing toys around.

We picked up a multivitamin for him today, since he seems intent on surviving on only breakfast and biscuits. Hopefully that'll do something for him.

Think I'm going to have to eat a whole packet of chocolate digestives...

Kittycatcat Sun 24-Feb-13 05:13:28

Aaaaaaaaaaaargh. S woke A up. A won't go back to sleep even with an alcohol fuelled boob. I want my cosy bed.

TwentiethCenturyGirl Sun 24-Feb-13 05:19:14

Feeling your pain Kitty. I'm up too. DD is boiling and medicine isn't bringing her temp down. No sleep here either hmm

Kittycatcat Sun 24-Feb-13 05:38:44

Hugs twentieth. I've handed over to dh cos I was losing patience but still can't sleep.

TwentiethCenturyGirl Sun 24-Feb-13 06:38:20

I can't sleep either now. Hope you get some shut eye in the end.

ILikeToMoveItMoveIt Sun 24-Feb-13 08:08:24

How were the choc digestives UBW? grin

commiserations to those with poorly and non sleeping children brew

How's the ankle fizz? I have no stamina with heels anymore. I can't believe I used to wear them day in day out and find them perfectly comfortable. Now they feel like torture <old fart emoticon>

Not much going on here today. It's flipping freezing though. I love winter, but the cold is wearing a bit thin now. Roll on Birkenstock weather .....

Kittycatcat Sun 24-Feb-13 09:20:40

Dh got him settled. And got up with them both so I'm just getting up. I keep having strange dreams / nightmares so I'm not sleeping great. Feel a bit eugh this morning. Hope its just hunger. I HATE being cold and it was freezing last night.

Did you get any sleep 20th? How is the lo now?

Impressive bruise has appeared! And I can sort of walk on it without excruciating pain. Still painful enough to have dh run around after me!!

TwentiethCenturyGirl Sun 24-Feb-13 19:39:47

No more sleep after my last update hmm and am currently sat by her cot trying to get her to bed. Normally we just pop her in the cot and leave her too it. I'm not hopeful about tonight either...

Can't remember if I mentioned that this is my namechange? I will update the Facebook list later.

You did 20th! I think you have updated the doc too already! Or was that firefly?
I'm confused! Not difficult!

I forgot to say earlier, the chocolate wreath was made by OAPs in a home one of my mums fellow line dancers work in! It's hard work getting to the chocolate if I'm honest! They tied the buggers on tightly?

GreenFirefly Sun 24-Feb-13 22:27:09

I've updated the FB doc for me.

DD slept through (finally) again last night but she's being a bugger to get to sleep at the moment. It took over an hour tonight - DH has much more patience than me so I left him to it and ironed his shirts. Fair swap I thought.
She can self settle, but she likes to mess about first for ages. She has just moved out of the sleeping bags and onto a duvet though and she also seems to have stopped breastfeeding (this is day three without any - hoorah!). But doing both together must be a big change for her. I just hope she works out that bed is for sleeping soon as our evenings are non-existant at the moment.
Fingers crossed for another full night (for her - no doubt I'll need a wee at 2am).

Good luck with sleep 20thC hope it's better once she's off.

Ok I'm back on track with who's who!! Apologies!

Oscars on and I'm making inroads on the wreath!

JoEW Mon 25-Feb-13 12:04:11

Thanks for birthday wishes for Conor, the little man is two and armed with more diggers, trains, fire engines and general plastic tat than anyone could possibly need.

Hope everyone's doing ok. Sorry for short post. Hope you're managing Kitty, thinking of you. It's SO tough when you can't sleep.

Quick q: has anyone (everyone) taken their LO to the dentist? Am I a Terrible Mother for not doing this yet?

JKSLtd Mon 25-Feb-13 12:34:31

Hi Jo, dd hasn't been to the dentist yet. Can't remember when we started taking the boys - dh takes them as I'm too phobic to be useful. After 3 maybe? Or next time you go take him with you just to get used to it?

ILikeToMoveItMoveIt Mon 25-Feb-13 16:38:51

Ds3 is going for the first time next week. The dentists only look in their mouth and see what has come through. It's more about getting them used to the dentist environment ime. So if they point blank refuse to open their mouth or even sit in the chair then it really doesn't matter.

I shouldn't be on here, I should be ordering my mums birthday present ......

abbyfromoz Mon 25-Feb-13 16:44:38

Took DD about a month ago as she got a gum infection from those blasted eye teeth! Felt a bit negligent that hadn't done it sooner but dentist said not necessary to worry more for getting familiar at this age. Can i add a question? Who brushes their lo's teeth every day? I let DD do it herself (albeit in a very inefficient manor) just don't want it to be an ordeal for her... What's the greater evil??

This is what I don't know Abby. B just chews his toothbrush (we get through quite a few) with dh or I trying to give them a scrub as he wriggles away. My neighbour is a dental nurse and pins her ds down while he screams to brush his teeth, which I do not agree with at all, but she keeps telling me about all the children she has seen in agony with toothache. She also disapproved of him still sometimes getting bedtime milk in his cot to settle. I try not to discuss teeth anymore with her in case she pins me down!

Kittycatcat Mon 25-Feb-13 17:31:43

S still has milk at bedtime but in the last two weeks has take a cup at last

JKSLtd Mon 25-Feb-13 18:00:28

I let dd do her own - mostly chewing admittedly but she is getting better. Sometimes if I have time I'll do hers properly.
IMO, and I know people disagree, I prefer they had the habit even if a bit haphazard for now rather than make it an ordeal and them hating it.

That's what I think JKS!

GreenFirefly Mon 25-Feb-13 19:54:36

Same here - she does her own while we encourage her to jiggle the toothbrush around. I also manage to forget about teeth cleaning every morning as we're in such a rush by the time we've had breakfast. They get done in the morning at weekends though, and every evening. She's been to the dentist but I'm only on yearly appointments so I don't suppose she'll remember when we go next. Not that the dentist did anything - she wouldn't even open her mouth.

Sadly wasn't a great night of sleep last night sad

Scan tomorrow smile

JKSLtd Mon 25-Feb-13 21:05:53

We often forget/run out of time in the morning too.

Firefly - good luck with the scan.

Keep meaning to ask, who's LO is in a bed (or cotbed with sides off) so far?
I'm really stalling even though I know DD would love it. But I also value the knowledge of her being 'penned in' blush! And she sleeps so well, I don't want to risk it.
And it may be my last baby so I'm dragging my heels I know.

Yep, another one here in the chewing their toothbrush brigade. I console myself that DS was the same and (fingers crossed) no problems discovered by the dentist so far. That reminds me have to rebook his check up as had to cancel it last week due to the tonsillitis.. (FWIW I took him for his 1st checkup just after his 3rd birthday). As ILIKE says its really just to get them used to it.

His 1st visit DS just sat on my lap, and the dentist talked to him and asked him to open his mouth so he could look inside. The 2nd visit he sat in the proper chair and the dentist counted his teeth just using his finger tip. His last visit was his 3rd and the dentist used the little mirror to have a proper look. I still brush his teeth for him, might ask next visit what age they recommend they start to see the hygienist.

BED, hell no, grin DS moved out of his sides on cotbed/sleeping bag combo when he was 3.5 and DD needed the cot. Admitedly, he was quite happy in there and didn't move into his new room/bed until he wanted too. He never attempted to climb out either.
DD on the other hand regularly takes her sleeping bag off when she wakes up, I think she will become quite the escape artist hmm

TwentiethCenturyGirl Mon 25-Feb-13 22:18:25

We're firmly in the cot camp here. She's staying in it for the foreseeable future (well, for as long as she's sleeping well anyway). I'm not sure I can face her clambering around in the night yet either.

We clean DD's teeth here and then let her have a chew afterwards. She mostly lets us get on with it, although we did have a period a few months back when she hated it and cried hysterically at the sight of the toothbrush. DH was great with her - very gently, encouraged her to do it herself etc and she got over it and back on track. She's taken to spitting the toothpaste out with gusto now too hmm

Good luck tomorrow Firefly smile

abbyfromoz Mon 25-Feb-13 22:24:11

Ooo another good question! Have been deliberating over the whole cot/bed saga for dd with dh of late and we have 3 flights of stairs- albeit carpeted with railings which she manages very well during the day but still not sure how she would go stumbling out of bed in the wee hours. Had her in bed with me in Australia recently (due to jet lag/ time differences and missing daddy)... She climbed over the top of me and SPLAT!confused Fell belly down on the floor... Just instilled my fear of converting to the bed, needless to say she was straight back into the travel cot after that!

UnderwaterBasketWeaving Tue 26-Feb-13 06:06:54


F's got the sides off now. He takes a while to fall asleep, and roams around a bit, as he did in the cot, but once he's asleep he's good. Over half term he could get up and play for a bit in the morning.

We've got a stair gate at the top of the stairs, and his door is shut (to keep the cat out).

He could have waited, but it seemed like a good idea at the time!

I'm at a&e with my poorly foot. rested it all day Sunday and most of yesterday but back at work today proved all.is.not well.as soon As I walked back and.forth to.the.primter a few times it swelled up and.my toes went numb!

info bar of doom above.the.desk currently places my wait at 2 hours! <bored already>

JKSLtd Tue 26-Feb-13 14:22:54

Poor you Fizz!! If its broken an you end up in plaster can you get home?
Friend of mine drove herself to a & e then was signed off driving, had to get a taxi home and her dh to go back and get car later. Cost a bit!

Am sat in hosp too - ds2's annual appt at gosh. Hope they aren't running too far behind schedule...

been triaged and xrayed alrea dy. they think.is just a sprain.

if needed I can get a taxi. would only be £5 or so. will worry about getting the car back later!

xray lady battered it with a pillow and its really aching now. I want to cry. stupid shoes, stupid pavement, stupid booze and mostly stupid me sad

GreenFirefly Tue 26-Feb-13 15:44:56

Scan was fine, although I had my dates wrong and we're actually due around 23rd Aug! This meant they couldn't do the nuchal fold measurement so just took bloods. It's all a bit more real now!
Need to get this housemoving thing going now - survey on the house we're buying is being done today. Fingers crossed it doesn't throw up anything unexpected.
So should we say yes or no to a wedding on Aug 3rd which is 2 hours drive away in the middle of nowhere? Considering that M arrived at 37+3 ish weeks? Although I was in labour for 2 days. I've already withdrawn from being bridesmaid at the wedding (good friend, not family).

ooh firefly! how exciting!

I would tentatively accept, but let them know you may not make it. if they need a hard and fast yes or no id say no. if they want you there they'll understand that you might need to call off. if they insist on an answer then they are knobchops and don't deserve the pleasure of your company grin

ILikeToMoveItMoveIt Tue 26-Feb-13 15:58:56

Ouch Fizz, is it defo a sprain?

Good luck at GOSH JKS x

Hurrah for good scan firefly smile I would personally go to the wedding as it's a close friend (even though I bloody hate weddings!), but if you don't think it's a good idea then I'm sure your friend will understand. Fingers crossed on the survey.

Both boys are mardy so and so's this arvo. Ds2 is tired and emotional after his first full day back at pre school and ds3 woke up far too early from his nap. Happy days!

GreenFirefly Tue 26-Feb-13 16:02:10

That's kind of what I'm thinking Fizz. She was fine about me not being bridesmaid, though she does have about 30 (slight exaggeration) others grin and I'm sure she'd be fine about us not being there. I suspect we'll say yes but re-assess nearer the time and keep the car close to hand. It'll be a god chance to see loads of other friends too.

How's your foot? Are you home from A&E yet?

waiting to see nurse practitioner. I thought that was a good sign that it wants broken but the sign in the door says she deals either minor fractures if the foot!

Soft tissue damage. NP said a break would be preferable! hmm Thanks for that! I've to keep off it and rest it for 3-5 days! Har bloody har!! I'm having wine to numb the pain!

Kittycatcat Tue 26-Feb-13 18:36:32

That's no fun fizz winewith you!

How I'd you get on jks?

Do you get another scan firefly?
Ditto that. Accept but with a warning!

I'm having a similar afternoon ilike. S woke with a strop. New neighbour came to say hi and collect a parcel I had taken in and s started a meltdown when I gave him dinner, I had to ask neighbour to leave. S cried and cried and refused his dinner.eventually got some in him sorting in my chair. Then a three up loads.

JKSLtd Tue 26-Feb-13 21:46:48

It was all very positive smile

A long day though; early start, sing and sign, train to London, met dh & drove to gosh, waited...had appt, dropped dh off & drove home in horrid traffic, got drive through McDs but then ds2 had a meltdown as he wanted to go into 'old macdonalds' eventually eating his food on the floor just inside the front door, kids to bed & me to orchestra.

Bed now!

MrsWajs Tue 26-Feb-13 22:00:24

Wow firefly you are now due BEFORE me!! Not sure if i'm keen on queue jumpers!! wink

Fizz bad luck with the foot. Did they tut and sigh when you said you were drunk? I didn't get much sympathy when i broke my foot in a similar drunken pavement related incident AND i had my heels off!!

Sorry been awol recently am perma-tired just now with work and R the stroppy non-sleeping, non-eating child! There is no way on earth she is going into a big bed just yet!!

UnderwaterBasketWeaving Tue 26-Feb-13 22:31:47

Glad everyone's bopping along ok, give or take poorly ankles & busy days.

What is it with these children and eating/sleeping?! Too tired to eat half the time and too hungry to sleep the other. It's baffling!

wine or brew for those in need. grin

abbyfromoz Wed 27-Feb-13 07:47:25

Morning all- i have had no luck getting birthday ideas on another thread so wondering if any if you are planning a party for our big 2 year old babies? And if so anyone keen to share their ideas? My niece turned 2 in december and had a rainbow themed party, and a friend made a train out if cardboard boxes for her DS with noise makers hanging from different places around the garden (bells from a tree etc) would love to hear some original ideas! grin

Kittycatcat Wed 27-Feb-13 07:50:40

Ours not very original. We are going to have a party at one those kids play places.trying out party man onfriday.

JKSLtd Wed 27-Feb-13 10:04:42

Confess to having not thought about it at all yet!

JoEW Wed 27-Feb-13 12:16:38

We just did birthday lunch for grandparents, and local aunty and cousins. It was lovely and C had a great day. I decided to leave a Proper Party until he's a bit older and can appreciate it more. Less work for me!

Good to hear that I haven't been missing regular dentist appointments. I'll book in a starter one when I go next. I have taken to giving Conor's teeth a brush myself after his bath. If I sit him in front of the sink and let him play with the water then he lets me give them a reasonable brush. He sometimes does them himself in the morning (only ever sucks the toothpaste off the brush) but it depends how rushed we are.

Still in a cot and there's no way I'm thinking about a bed until I have to. No way.

Congrats on scan firefly, so so exciting. Good luck on the house, before you know it it will all be over. I'd say no to the wedding, watching everyone else get trollied while you sit nursing an orange juice with massive ankles. Nah.

Poor Fizz, hope you are managing to get some rest.

Hope you're doing ok too MrsW, sometimes when C is a nightmare I wonder how the hell anyone does this while pregnant or with a new baby. Respect.

Dropped Conor off in the 2yrs and over room this morning. I could still hear him crying "mum-eeeeeeeeeeeeee"as I left. Poor little mite.

Hi to everyone else.

ILikeToMoveItMoveIt Wed 27-Feb-13 12:18:18

We're having family round and doing a BBQ. If the weather is cold or raining we'll be eating our burgers and sausages inside! Ds3 is having a joint party with MIL. It's her 60th the week before ds's and as FIL has done fuck all about arranging anything to celebrate she's sort of hijacked ds's birthday confused

I'm not quite sure how I feel about it, I think I best not think about it or I'll get cross. MIL is lovely really so I feel I can't get annoyed about it.

abbyfromoz Wed 27-Feb-13 19:24:19

Sounds lovely... Missing my family back home sad
I just had a look on pintinterest today and have decided on a theme (barnyard) thinking of going all out with a few animals to pet, gingham bunting etc... Probably a bit ott but no more babies for us right now so this is a momentous day- our little baby is turning into a little girl... And i confess i am not finding it easy to accept! Seems like the whole world is pregnant at the moment! Lol

abbyfromoz Wed 27-Feb-13 19:26:57

P.s. iliketomove- kind of hard when that choice is taken away from you i'm sure- but i would love to have any family share the day... I suppose thats easy for me to say though wink

GreenFirefly Wed 27-Feb-13 22:15:24

Sorry for queue jumping MrsW, I must say I was surprised how out I was blush. I hope the sleep improves for you. Maybe she is getting you ready for the newbord stage hmm

fraktion Thu 28-Feb-13 08:17:34

We're having ILs plus DSIL and partner and DBIL and partner up for the birthday weekend. No rest for the wicked...

Bed here. He could climb out the bloody cot and he never slept in it anyway so that wasn't a hugely hard decision. Plus he likes to flail and this enables flailing.

Congrats on the scan firefly! Am I the only nutter still BFing? I don't think M will ever give it up...

Dentist we've done nothing about appointments but we do brush teeth every night. We brush then he has a go, ditto mornings when we can.

The foot sounds painful fizz sad Glad there's chocolate to make it better. I'm slightly regretting the killer heels I bought today with intention if wearing them on drunken nights out now. Although it go ohsoslightly tipsy last weekend (4 bottles of wine between 4 girls over 2 hours - can't keep up!) and Sunday morning was Not Pleasant.

ILikeToMoveItMoveIt Thu 28-Feb-13 12:16:32

You're right Abby, I should be thankful we have family here. I think I feel annoyed about it as I was steamrolled into and not really asked if it was ok. I need to get over myself grin

Lol @ queue jumping. I remember getting annoyed at people who gave birth before me when their edd's were after mine. How bloody dare they! grin

The sun is out here today, it's glorious. I feel so much better when the sun is out. The house has been cleaned and aired <saddo>

How' the foot fizz?

JKSLtd Thu 28-Feb-13 12:36:48

ILike - agree about being asked. Only polite really. Also agree about the sunshine, but jealous as we don't have any, yet. <hopeful>

Think I will delay DD moving into a bed for a bit longer then, for some reason I was feeling like it was time. DS1 moved out of the cot at 18months so it was free in advance of DS2 arriving.
DS2 only moved out nearer 3 because he was safest in there when he was seizing.

Have lots I should be doing, going to try and sort Mother's Day flowers online first. Remember to tell your DH/P's what you actually expect to avoid being in the pissed-off-on-Mother's-Day threads grin

abbyfromoz Thu 28-Feb-13 12:57:09

Sorry i hope i didn't sound like i was saying you are being unreasonable iliketomoveit... I totally understand the steamrolling thing. I guess having family thousands of miles away can have it's advantages too wink

Rest appears to be working! That might change tomorrow with b at home!

UnderwaterBasketWeaving Fri 01-Mar-13 05:57:27


Frak, I'm just in the process of giving up BFing. There's hardly anything left, I keep putting F off & distracting him with cups of milk instead. He was 23mo yesterday.

I'm 32 today. People are going to start expecting me to be a grownup aren't they?

Happy birthday UBW!

Kittycatcat Fri 01-Mar-13 07:42:26

Kudos to those still breast feeding our Aprilites. I've now stopped feeding A. Both boys slept through last night. Whoop.

Happy birthday ubw

MrsWajs Fri 01-Mar-13 08:43:06

Happy birthday UBW wine I'm pretty sure you don't have to start acting grown up immediately! wink

Is 32 the optimum age for grownupedness then!!? I have 6 months! I still feel 19, only with less tolerance for alcohol grin

ILikeToMoveItMoveIt Fri 01-Mar-13 16:09:46

Happy birthday UBW smile

I'm 37 and still don't feel like a grown up! I'm not sure I ever will. I'm forever 27 in my head.

I have just decorated dh's birthday cake. Gawd, I am shite at decorating cakes. It was only spreading buttercream on a sponge fgs, yet it still looks like ds done it blush

We're off to Cambridge tomorrow. I heart Cambridge.

TwentiethCenturyGirl Fri 01-Mar-13 16:10:12

Ooh, I'm the same age as you two then. And I'm very grown up dontcha know wink.

Happy Birthday UBW wine

Kittycatcat Fri 01-Mar-13 16:28:33

I'm 37 too grin my body feels old. Ha

JKSLtd Fri 01-Mar-13 19:01:53

I just turned 38 an some days I feel ancient!grin

TwentiethCenturyGirl Fri 01-Mar-13 22:01:54

I didn't feel old at 30 but did at my last birthday. Those last two years have taken their toll!

I was about to say you are only as old as the man you feel but seeing as dh will be 39 shock this year I shall retract that!!

Kittycatcat Fri 01-Mar-13 22:57:04

My dh will be 33 in April wink

abbyfromoz Sat 02-Mar-13 01:21:47

Im 27.... 28 in nov. dh will be 38 in Jul. feeling rather young right now....

ILikeToMoveItMoveIt Sat 02-Mar-13 06:56:44

You little so and so Kitty! wink

Bodily I don't really feel any different from my younger self. The aches and pains have yet to set it (long may that last), but my emotional self feels a lot more mature. A lot of that has to do with ds1 but also just the fact of raising children makes me feel more emotionally aware.

That a bit deep for 7am grin

Daisy17 Sat 02-Mar-13 10:22:22

I'm 37 and DP is 31 so I even beat Kitty! Generally he's way more mature than me it must be said......

S still in cotbed and will be for as long as possible - bars plus sleeping bag plus cautious nature means escape is pretty much impossible which seems like a good plan to me. smile

Recovering after a mad week which saw me in hospital for three days on a drip! Awful virus hit my immune system for six and I ended up with a raging secondary infection in my face. I do not recommend it......so so glad and thankful to be back home with my little family. And massively grateful for our amazing NHS, brilliant care all round.

Kittycatcat Sat 02-Mar-13 12:05:39

Goodness daisy how awful. Hope ur feeling much better x

Daisy17 Sat 02-Mar-13 12:40:48

Sorry, should rephrase, on a drip sounds worse than it was, I wasn't on one all the time, they were giving me IV antibiotics and steroids. Still scary enough though! Thanks, Kitty, it's all much better now, enjoying catching up on sleep with all the enforced rest...

TwentiethCenturyGirl Sat 02-Mar-13 15:51:58

DH and I are both 32. Where did everybody find themselves these younger men?! Mind you, he acts like he's DD's age sometimes so maybe I better stick with him!

Cripes Daisy, that sounds awful. Glad you're on the mend now though. I hope that younger man of yours is looking after you ;)

Kittycatcat Sat 02-Mar-13 21:02:13

Ladies with tt babies. Did you subsequently suffer with silent reflux and do you have any advice for me? Does it get worse? Dairy allergies? A Is vomming daily. Usually in the morning and evening at bed time. It's lumpy /curdled. He had yoghurt at dinner time... He seems fine with veg purées. And rusk.

Kittycatcat Sat 02-Mar-13 21:11:09

Veg purées! Also he's pushing his bottles away which I guess is the pain, and has his first tooth and keeps chewing the teet!

UnderwaterBasketWeaving Sun 03-Mar-13 18:34:40

No idea, I'm afraid Kitty.

I need help with F eating.

He eats beautifully with the cm and at nursery, but won't eat a main meal with us.

He might have a mouthful or two, but never a decent amount.

We've been very definitely not making an issue about it. Just kind of saying ok, and leaving him to it. Occasionally giving him a bio yogurt.

Do you have any suggestions? I'm sure the BLW book guaranteed this wouldn't happen - do they do refunds?

it's no wonder he's small. sad

ILikeToMoveItMoveIt Sun 03-Mar-13 20:22:42

Blimey Daisy, that sounds awful. Glad you're on the mend though smile

Is TT related to reflux?
Cut the dairy out for a few days? he may have an intolerance to it. Ds3 was always a little bit sick after yoghurts when he was weaning. I cut them out for a few months and Then when he had them again a few months later he was fine.

UBW - don't blame yourself that he is small. That just may be his frame. Trust that he is eating everything that he needs.

do you defo know that he is eating very well at the CM and nursery? Also, what is their definition of 'very well?

Something I often do is put less on the boy's plates. I think sometimes a full plate is overwhelming to them, and then if they do clear their plate (even if it's only a small amount) everyone is happy.

Also both of my boys eat the least amounts for their evening meal. So, I limit drinks in the afternoon (they would rather fuel themselves on squash and milk given the chance), do the small portion on the plate thing and trust that if they hardly eat then they aren't hungry.

I also said this on here not that long ago, but young children can only control two things in their lives. What goes in and what comes out. Both of which can turn into a real power struggle - as you will find out when you start potty training grin

I hope some of this helps. Eating, or lack of, is such an emotive issue. It's one of the ways in which we nurture, so when it goes awry it's easy to get upset about it. But like you've been doing, don't make it an issue and it'll come right smile

JKSLtd Sun 03-Mar-13 20:28:50

Great post ILike smile

We've got a 'coming out' issue here, DD has had bad nappies on and off for a couple of weeks now. I have had an unsettled/poorly stomach & diarrhoea myself too so I'm sure it's the same thing.
I've been wondering if we have Giardia - I've had it before living in Africa but it was a long time ago. All the googling today does make it seem possible but just says it will go away on its own - which is not what i remember from before. Anyone know anything about it?
In between the nappies, DD is fine, eating, sleeping, etc.

Yes, I'm still BF on demand, normally once or twice a day. I never expected it to last this long as DS self-weaned off the BF at about 8 months. I'm not in a hurry to wean DD off, we're not planning on having anymore children so I will make the most of the babes-in-arms experience whilst it lasts.

Age-wise DH is 44, I'll be 36 in May, I went for the more mature hmmman.

Kitty, DS has TT and suffered reflux, do they often link the two? He eventually grew out of the reflux but he was/still is very picky with his food. I have tried to stop fretting about it and if he wants plain bread rolls in his lunchbox then so be it, at least he eats it most of the time, if I put a filling in 9 times out of 10 the whole thing comes home uneaten. sad

ILikeToMoveItMoveIt Sun 03-Mar-13 21:27:52

I haven't heard of giardia JKS, but your post made me think of cryptosporidium which a friends ds had. If you google it, ignore the bits about HIV (the dangers of googling an illness!)

Don't suppose you have a stool pot handy? Take one of dd's poo's to the GP and suggest they test it. If you go with a poo readily to hand you won't have to do the whole too'ing and Fro'ing to the surgery.

I always think every household should be given wee and stool sample pots for occasions such as these .........

fraktion Sun 03-Mar-13 21:30:16

kitty are you making up the bottles according instructions (hot water etc?) and not leaving then over long? That's the most common cause of vom in babies moving to FF. Otherwise cut the yoghurt for a few days and see if it helps.

JKS sounds yuk sad hope you get better soon.

I think I'm the youngest still arouns, at 26 with DH nearly 28. Hope you had a good birthday UBW

daisy that sounds really nasty. Glad you were well taken care of. The NH is indeed a wonderful organisation.

Bs nappies are horrendous just now, but we have his back teeth coming in (confirmed by the dentist on Friday), so that's what I am putting it down to.

So, dentist! Why is it every time a "professional" (hairdresser, dentist, dermatologist) wants B to do something, he turns into angel child and let's them do whatever they like to him?? I cannot comb his hair or have a look in his mouth without risking life and limb!

Dentist managed to et a good look in how mouth, confirmed she could see and feel his last back teeth coming through, no decay and commented on how clea his teeth were. So my method of letting him chew a brush for as long as he wants with the odd swipe about from dh or I seems to work! The dentist was very good with him, I cannot abide her, she is always pushing for me to get whitening or something else done that I don't need. This time she tried to sell me a water flossed, because I don't floss right apparently hmm

I'm still hobbling, still ruddy hurts.

Awful night here. Not long after I posted there was a great big thud and screaming. I have no idea what he did, but took an age to settle, then he would go back in his cot, so I took him in with me, dh went to the spare room as he doesn't co sleep. 1am he pooed and informed me of the fact by sticking his arse in my face. Changed him (blueberries, unpleasant) tried him in this cot, more screaming then pathetic whimpering. Between 1.30 and 6 he spent most of his time trying to get back in the womb. We have an ikea kingsize bed, but I still ended up balancing of the narrowest of strips along the edge, whilst he starfished on the rest!! <yawn>

Kittycatcat Mon 04-Mar-13 08:51:12

Excellent post / advice ilike.

Ilike / gys I've read somewhere that tt links to various things.

Frak, thanks. Not exactly followed the instructions so will be stricter. We had a yoghurt free day yesterday but he was still sick at bottle time.

Fizz,brewbiscuit. How's the foot today?

abbyfromoz Mon 04-Mar-13 15:21:54

Sorry to jump in here but i feel the need to announce something very exciting to anyone who will hear it (well exciting for me- possibly normal for others with less fussy dc's)
DD just ate 2 whole bananas and 5 strawberries shock
I think i might pass out!

That's great Abby! I love it when B eats loads!

I'm very grumpy, a baby names thread is getting me uptight! I need to step away!

Foot not too bad today. I'll be back at work tomorrow so that's the test if its better enough yet.

Chicken pox doing the rounds here 3 kids B is in regular contact with have it. His unsettledness last night added with the mammoth nap he had between 9 and 2 suggests all is not right. Plus he just isn't himself. His bum has broken out again too. But he is eating! So that's something!

GreenFirefly Mon 04-Mar-13 16:53:39

We're having a non-nap day here sad. I wonder if she had a sneaky one at nursery...
Thing is we're going to soft play straight from nursery tomorrow so perfect for not napping. but she'll probably be tired and fall asleep on the way after today.
Hopefully she'll still eat later as I'm making her favourite pasta.

GreenFirefly Mon 04-Mar-13 17:16:47

I think dd is scared of mice. we have them in the house but they seem yo clever for the traps and obviously there are lots of crumbs with dd around. she's just screamed in terror and there is one around now. neither Dh or I are scared by them, just irritated. any idea what we can do to calm dd ?
and now she's fallen asleep in my arms confused

Give her one as a pet?

What kind of traps are you. Using?? Neck breakers or humane ones? We started with the humane ones, but got fed up of them eating the bait and still escaping. The mouse man fro the council came, put down poison in the loft and snap traps in the living areas because of B roaming a round we didn't want to risk the poison. Touch wood we have been mouse free for about a year I think. Check your local council, our mouse man did two visits for free.

GreenFirefly Mon 04-Mar-13 18:59:54

I think she's a bit young for pets. I don't want to look after one and my track record isn't great (cannibal stick insects).
We've got both humane and snap traps which have been waited with many mouse feasts but they can even take the bait from the snaps angry we might rebate with cake this evening. I just hope we don't take them when we move.

Peanut butter is what mouse man used here. Apparently the crack cocaine of the mouse world!

Kittycatcat Mon 04-Mar-13 19:18:11

Try chocolate and banana too

JKSLtd Mon 04-Mar-13 19:41:47

Or those plugs that make a noise only mice can hear, drives them mad apparently.
Only thing is put some up and down stairs or they'll just move the the free area.
Good on you by being scared though they terrify me (wuss!)

I could hear our sonic scarer thing (I have weird ears) it drove me potty! Same with the cat scares you get for the garden!

JoEW Tue 05-Mar-13 08:59:55

I think I get the award for the oldest Aprilite at (hangs head) 39. GULP.

No good mouse advice here but I think ours went when I finally persuaded DH that they could, in fact, climb into the bucket of dog biscuits that he left uncovered under the stairs. Good luck! Possibly silly advice, but get her a cuddly mouse or stories with mice in. That might help with fear?

Kitty, I have several massive tubs of Aptamil Pepti II left over from when Conor had reflux/CMPI if you want to have a go with a specialist formula I could send you a sealed one to try. I can't recall if you're using formula or not but it's prescription only.

Hope you're feeling better Daisy, the NHS is amazing.

Happy birthday UWB. I don't have much advice re feeding but send sympathy as C can be so similar. He also eats well at nursery (thank god) and I think that's because they just let them get on with it and he just does what the other children do. He's also tiny. I find that he goes in phases, sometimes he seems to exist on air, sometimes he'll be great. If he doesn't eat much for tea I'll give him toast and milk before bed. I just try to offer food now and again during the day so that if he is hungry he'll eat. It can be very stressful for you, I agree.

Fizz hope you have a better day today and the foot is improving.

MrsWajs Tue 05-Mar-13 09:04:25

Ooh daisy your hospital trip doesn't sound like it was much fun. Hope you're much better now.

<puts hand up> I have a toyboy too!! smile

I read somewhere recently greenfirefly that our toddlers can develop irrational fears at this age. Best thing to do is just acknowledge, reassure them and hope it passes.

Ubw R has just come out of a faddy eating phase (couple of weeks) and is now horsing down everything in sight. Could be a growth spurt? Last night at my mums she had belly pork, mash and carrots, then cheesecake, a yogurt & finally 4 cherry toms!! The mind boggles. Last week i was hard pushed to get her to eat a few raisins!

Anybody remember being completely exhausted at 14 weeks pg?? I can't shake this tiredness. I'm sleeping around 8-9 hours a night and still feeling exhausted by about 3pm - not ideal when i'm at work. Might get my bloods checked at work today.

UnderwaterBasketWeaving Tue 05-Mar-13 20:00:09

MrsW, I remember leaving the house to go to work at about that time and bursting into tears because I was just so tired. It was horrible. I can't imagine having that level of tiredness and a toddler.

Sleep all you can. You're building a person in there (as well as all the other normal stuff). Not many people are doing that on top of their daily routine!

I forgot to offer my sympathies to Daisy - sounds scary and horrible. Hope you feel better now.

Thanks for the age comparisons! My trouble is, I just don't feel old enough to be this old! But I also am not as old as I feel haggard
And DH is 4 years younger than me! grin

F is eating well elsewhere. I use silicone cake cases to separate little portions of things in his lunchbox (bento style). I was thinking of trying a segmented plate for dinners. Do you reckon that might work?

I've started an amazon wishlist for his birthday. I've got from having no idea what to get him to having an insane list of goodies! Oops!

MrsWajs Tue 05-Mar-13 20:57:42

Well i'm now wondering if the cause of the tiredness was me brewing a bug!?
Got sent home from work tonight with a dicky tummy but it seemed to tail off after a couple of hours, so now not sure if it is a bug or if it's just some pregnancy weirdness! Managed to get one of my colleagues to take a blood sample too so will see what that says. She did say my blood was quite dark which is an indication of dehydration so that could be making me tired too. Must drink more!

I've been thinking about a balance bike for B for his birthday. Any thoughts? He has a trike, but can't read the pedals yet and his walker frame thing is not folded down into a little ride on thing and he loves wheeling himself about on it.

He loves the cars at the CMs so I will point people that way. Especially a Mack truck from Cars. We have twice had to return one after he has snaffled it away in his bag! Tea leaf! Lilin akeen (lightning mcqueen) a hit too!

abbyfromoz Tue 05-Mar-13 22:17:40

Congrats underwater!
Get well soon daisy
Wish list for DD-
A teepee tent
A mini kitchen
A rocking horse (a proper one)
Other ideas if you haven't got already:
Drawing easel with butcher's paper
Doll house
Sand pit (summer is coming...!!!)
Mini micro scooter (toddler to big kid one)
Leap frog pad

ILikeToMoveItMoveIt Wed 06-Mar-13 08:45:41

<passes MrsW a glass of water> I had terrible tiredness in all my pg, especially with ds1. I would come home from work, sleep for an hour, get up, eat my dinner, have a shower, then sleep for another 9 hours.

Ds3 said his first 'why?' yesterday. It is downhill from here grin

Gawd knows what we're getting for his birthday. I've got my eye on a builders mixing tray. They are a large moulded plastic tray with a lip all around the edge of a couple of inches. You can do all kinds of messy play in them and they're hard to tip because they lay flat on the ground <looks over at the sand & water table that was upended countless times last summer>

Ds3 is obsessed with Cars too Fizz, Mater is his favourite.

UnderwaterBasketWeaving Wed 06-Mar-13 19:04:15

Hope you're feeling better, MrsW.

F had one piece of pasta with us this evening. wink

We've decided to tackle the bedtime farce by bringing his nap forward a bit, and shortening it to 45min-1hr. We think the problem might be that he ends up super tired from getting up early, he then sleeps till nearly 3, and isn't ready for bed till 8:30-9ish. We then have to wake him up at 6, he's still tired, and the cycle continues.

I imagine it'll involve a few days of hideous out of routine and over tired grumps. But we need to give it a try. Selfishly, we really need those 2 hours in the evening to work.

Re balance bikes & scooters: we tried F on some beautiful balance bikes, but he really didn't like them (DH was gutted), but as a family we are morally against micro scooters. F will be going directly onto a skateboard ASAP! With a helmet and pads though!

A colleague sent me a link to a job this evening. I think it's a bit out of my league. Probably no harm in applying though?

B has eaten like a horse today! He scoffed all the food I sent to cms and she said he asked to toast after his nap hmm he then had scrambled egg (with added peas for vegetation) and more toast for tea, tinned peaches (he loves them!! In juice not syrup) and apple, and then he's just half inched my steak pie and potatoes!

I might have a wee trip to toys r us then to try the balance bikes.

UnderwaterBasketWeaving Wed 06-Mar-13 19:39:46

the 2 hour bedtime insanity has begun. If I can't get a toddler to comply, how on earth will I deal with a teenager?

JKSLtd Wed 06-Mar-13 20:06:04

I think the key difference being you can go to bed and leave said teenager downstairs with the telly/games machines & let them know it's their life....grin

Seriously though, good luck, it sounds like a big change but could work. Are you trying a 2 hour earlier bedtime straight away or adjusting gradually? Saw 15mins earlier each night for a while?

GreenFirefly Wed 06-Mar-13 22:03:49

We've had no naps this week shock - hence my lack of posts between 3 and 4pm! She wouldn't go on Monday and I spent hours pacing around with the pushchair. Same on Tuesday so today I took her for lunch after nursery and didn't really try for a nap. She hasn't done too badly really but bedtime is much shorter - she's not even lasted a 10 minute story, rather than the 45minutes to an hour that it was taking before. She also slept 11 hours straight last night! I'm surprised that she's gone from 2 hour naps to nothing I thought she'd gradually cut down, but I'm also wondering if she'll decide to nap on Friday or at the weekend to re-charge.

The having stories about mice to deter the fear doesn't seem to work - she pointed out the mice in her book then looked under the sofa for them.

No idea what to get for birthday, possibly a trike but wait until after we've moved (hopefully not long after birthday). I suspect there may be more Happyland to come too.

Kittycatcat Thu 07-Mar-13 07:30:58

Happy land is half price at the mo!

Kittycatcat Thu 07-Mar-13 09:30:26

Ps Jo, thank you re the formula. We have had two days no sick after reducing his bottles to 3 a day and upping his food. <crosses fingers>

MrsWajs Thu 07-Mar-13 10:10:05

Where kitty?

Kittycatcat Thu 07-Mar-13 10:56:35

Ooh! Link sent to my sister for birthday inspiration!!

MrsWajs Fri 08-Mar-13 18:20:38

I found it kitty after engaging my brain and looking on the ELC website!! One cherry cottage purchased for R's birthday!

Ok own up, who sneaked in during the night and stole my lovely smilie calm little boy and replaced him with a tantrumming, hitting, screaming sleep refuser. Today has been the worst day ever. We had to leave a play date with our neighbour when b kept hitting her little boy. Other than saying no and removing him away, what else can I do. He refused to share toys, he stole his biscuit and every time I told him off he laughed like it was a game.

In his defence he was knackered after refusing naps, but it was hellish. We came home and he screamed for 10 minutes in my arms before conking out for an hour or so.

JKSLtd Fri 08-Mar-13 20:22:39

Not fun Fizz sad
Was it just tiredness do you think?

I know I was v crabby myself this morning after a busy & tiring week. Poor DD got a cross-voiced Mummy a few times over before we even left to go to playgroup sad I took a few deep breaths and was more cheerful once we were out.

When you're only still 1 it's hard to do that though grin

Sounds like you dealt with it well by leaving though, sometimes cutting & running is the best plan.

Is anyone else's LO turning into a right bossy boots? I'm not used to it from the boys so wonder if it's a girl thing. DD tells me what to do all the time, or not to do. If i turn on the car radio and she doesn't want it on, it's 'off Mummy off', or if it's not on and she wants it on, it's '(mu)sic Mummy sic'.

And the worst, but funniest is, if I'm talking (to her, to someone else, whatever), she says 'pause Mummy' shock grin

Too much time with Sky+ I think....

ILikeToMoveItMoveIt Fri 08-Mar-13 22:03:29

Ha ha, I LOVE 'pause mummy' grin

Ds3 new one is 'why?'.

'mint please mummy?'
'no, not at the moment darling'

Any request that is met with a no, is then counter attacked with why? grin

He also likes to tell us when he has farted or poo'd - always in a loud and clear voice, and of course in a public place blush

I smile and try to brush over the fact he is saying an unsavoury (to some!) word.
If I don't acknowledge the fart, the volume increases grin

The conking out makes me think he was tired fizz, I remember ds2 doing that a couple of times. He would act atrociously (more so than usual wink ) then just conk out from sheer exhaustion.

abbyfromoz Fri 08-Mar-13 23:38:24

poor your fizz- DD was like that yesterday! I have a feeling it might be linked to those 2 y/o molars coming through? I got pretty fed up after she woke up from her nap after only 10 minutes sad

JKSLtd- feel you on the bossy boots thing. DD won't let me do anything! Including putting my bag on her buggy "t'off! t'offffff!!!' (take it off)
Tried to write a card yesterday for DH- she wouldn't relinquish the pen and subsequently we have a rather expensive scribble pad "NO! SHMINE! SH MIIIINE!!" LOL (It's mine)
I asked her today if she would like to come outside- as it was raining I took the umbrella...she chucked a wobbly and I thought she wanted to hold it, but when I gave it to her she tried to close it...got quite red in the face...much to my amusement (mean mummy)

oh lordy! hat off to those with more than 1 to contend with!

TwentiethCenturyGirl Sat 09-Mar-13 07:15:58

We have a bossy boots too - 'stop mummy' and 'stop daddy' are stock phrases here, and lord help us if we dare to sit somewhere other than the exact position she deems best for us.

DH thinks she's got it from her mummy. I couldn't possibly comment...wink

Kittycatcat Sat 09-Mar-13 07:52:57

Oh lordy fizz. What a day you had. Hope today is better. I think we are fast approaching the terrible twos eh. S's fave words are no not! Argh.

Me and dh have a party to go to tonight. So at 930 I'm having a pedicure and a manicure. And at 12 I'm getting my hair cut and coloured. I'm so grey now! We are staying at the inlaws tonight as they are babysitting and live near the venue.

A was sick with his bottle this am. A cough caused it. This is nearly always the case but the docs always declare his chest fine...

fraktion Sat 09-Mar-13 08:56:34

Oh yes I recognise the bossiness. Do far this morning we have had
'get up mummy'
'milk on cornflakes, not yoghurt, MILK'
'go see AP'
'no nappy change'
'get out'
'come on'
'chop chop'
'no coat'
'open the door'
'go swimming'
'chocolate button'

He used to preface all these with 'would you like', now it's just the imperative. I go back to work tomorrow grin <bad mother>

fraktion Sat 09-Mar-13 08:57:11

Bugger, just realised its not tomorrow, it's Monday. One more day of being a personal slave....

UnderwaterBasketWeaving Sat 09-Mar-13 12:28:08

grin Frak! You make me feel better for enjoying my work life. Sometimes I think I'm the only nutter that cracks after more than a few days with a small child!

Operation Sleep is going well. Cm restricted him to an early 45 mins yesterday, he was asleep by 19:35 and sleep through till 7:45 this morning shockshockgrin furthermore, he woke up happy and cooperative. Maybe it was the sunshine? Maybe it was 12 hours sleep in a row? I don't know, but I hope it continues!

Just put him down now, will wake at 13:05, and try again today.

I love going to work, it helps me keep my sanity. I'm pleased i took the decision to reduce down to part-time when DD arrived. I feel like I get the best from both worlds.

A little envy of all these talkative children, P has only started saying Mum this week. I know it comes in time and DS was a slow talker too, but I am getting fed up of all the "shock is she still not talking yet". Even my own Dad keeps mentioning it now which is rich, as you're lucky to get a grunt, let alone a full conversation out of him.

Kittycatcat Sun 10-Mar-13 09:24:54

Happy Mother's Day aprilites

This year I told dh what I wanted and as a result have a beautiful leather recipe binder. Chocs. S 'wrote'in my card. And filhas gone to mcd to get bfast...they babysat last night as we had a party.

Daisy17 Sun 10-Mar-13 10:34:36

Happy Mothers' Day everyone! It's also my DB's birthday so we're off up to London for a family get together. smile Slightly dreading the restaurant bit but am armed with cars and books and the rest of it should be lovely. AND S slept through till 7am. Unheard of. Do you think he knew?! grin

abbyfromoz Sun 10-Mar-13 10:47:42

Happy mummy's day!!!
Had good cuddles in bed with my DH and munchkin... Then a ling shower (on my own!!!)
If that's all i get i am a happy mummy grin
Probably sounds crazy but i'm rather excited about getting stuck in to the garden today! Hehe
Hope you all enjoy your day with your families xx

No gardening here, 2inches of snow!

I had a long lie, so I'm not long up. Roast dinner later and a date with Ben and jerry! smile
Have a lovely day aprilites!

UnderwaterBasketWeaving Sun 10-Mar-13 12:01:18

Happy mother's day.

F's gone a bit feverish with his current cold, so up overnight and not happy today. DH went mountain biking this morning. Me & F snuggled and did painting when the calpol kicked in.

I did get cards made with cm and at nursery.

DH is back, he bought squash. hmm

As people keep saying, it's not wife's day.

JKSLtd Sun 10-Mar-13 13:01:21

Oh dear Ubw hmm

Hope we all enjoy the day with our LOs smile

Lie in, breakfast in bed and bathroom to myself - they are my main treats!
Also have fire lit & roast for later.
Dh has taken ds2 out in the snow for (I'm guessing) flowers, though he will also be getting potatoes lol.

UnderwaterBasketWeaving Sun 10-Mar-13 20:29:54

l have had some epic cuddles today! grin

F's still hot and tired. He took himself to bed at 6. Heard whimpering so came and gave him calpol. Now he wants to sleep in our bed. Breathing is noisy (nose is blocked), but he's dead snotty cute.

I'm lying here with him waiting for him to go back to sleep so I can do more marking.

UnderwaterBasketWeaving Sun 10-Mar-13 23:12:27

F is sleeping in our bed tonight.

He talks in his sleep! grin (I'm sure it'll be less amusing later)

Kittycatcat Mon 11-Mar-13 08:30:05

Daisy how was lunch?

Abby did you get your gardening done?

Fizz what flavour? Yum

Jks did they return with flowers?

How's f ubw?

We had a lovely lunch yesterday. S was on the best behaviour and a fell asleep in my arms, meant I ate with one hand but preferable to crying!

We also put up our photo of Alex yest. Ill fb it.

Snowing confused

Glaikit Mon 11-Mar-13 08:58:30

Karamel sutra! With the core!

abbyfromoz Mon 11-Mar-13 09:44:28

Yes managed to get both the front and back gardens looking better! Trip to the dump today to dispose of all the waste! I know... Living life on the edge! Fine dining at nandos for tea too! Sounds like everyone had a special day. We are lucky to have such precious babies :-)

Glaikit Mon 11-Mar-13 10:11:02

Is there anything I could get to stop B being able to open the doors? There is no containing him. I could put stair gates everywhere, but that's maybe overkill. I just can't physically hover over him constantly. It would give me peace of mind if I nip to the loo he isn't in the laundry cupboard eating the washing powder!

abbyfromoz Mon 11-Mar-13 10:25:53

Glaikit we went to ikea and bought a pack of those latch thingys... It like a child proof latch...like this:

On an unrelated note... It's snowing in London....?!?!?

Glaikit Mon 11-Mar-13 10:32:58

I've got those on the kitchen cupboards, but these are the internal doors between rooms and on the big cupboards. I don't thnk those would work.

ILikeToMoveItMoveIt Mon 11-Mar-13 11:11:18

Move stuff around in your cupboards? Breakables and chemicals up high, Tupperware and saucepans down low?

We've had snow flurries since Saturday night. I'm glad we got another oil delivery last week, we thought the warmer weather was on the way so debated about getting a delivery.

Today is day 3 of ds3 being a Velcro baby. I think it's just a heavy cold, but it's really knocked him for six. We've had 2 nights of newborn-like wakings and re-settling and we're knackered. How have we done this for months on end............ three times? confused

JKSLtd Mon 11-Mar-13 12:59:31

Yes they did return with flowers smile & and Easter egg we had to share grin

We have a gate on the kitchen doorway, with some locks on some cupboards within in the kitchen.
Otherwise it's pretty free rein downstairs.
Gate on the stairs, top & bottom, free rein upstairs except for spare room which we keep shut to stop the cats getting in there as MIL is allergic. We just have a simple hook & eye thing screwed into the woodwork/door.

So, a rearrange of what is where and a gate on the kitchen? That way you only have to watch/hover when you decide he can go in there.

The few locks we have on the cupboard doors are hard to describe...can't remember where we got them either! <helpful> But they are 100% kid-proof and not annoying like those ones you have to half put your hand in to release.

Will google and see what I find.

Lots of semi-blizzard like conditions here! But not settling. yet.

JKSLtd Mon 11-Mar-13 13:02:33

Found them: here
We don't use them like in the photo though.
Our cupboards have round handles and the loops slide over them. I don't unlock them each time, just slide one loop over a handle then back over again to shut.
Even DS1 can't quite do it at age 6.

Glaikit Mon 11-Mar-13 13:26:12

I should say, that all my cleaning stuff is safely tucked away from little fingers, he has in the past though opened the powder drawer on the washing machine and scooped the scum out (yuk). Our house has a funny set up. The play room, downstairs loo, dining room and the cupboard containing the washing machine and trouble drier, ironing board etc is in the extension part accessed from the living room, so for him to get to the play room he has access to the cupboard and the loo.

Maybe I'll just get a couple of latches to put high up on the doors. The kitchen is sorted he has one cupboard he can get into that has all the Tupperware on one shelf and baking trays and the like on another. It gets emptied regularly grin

Another few inches of snow here.

fraktion Mon 11-Mar-13 19:19:57

Loads of snow here!

I've not child proofed at all <bad mother> I'm fairly sure there's stuff under the sink he shouldn't be accessing either but he only goes there for his duster - well trained boy.

Hope F is doing better ubw and your lurgified child too ILTMI

Glad you got a peaceful meal kitty!

Kittycatcat Mon 11-Mar-13 19:28:37

A fell down the steps outside my dn's. his head looks awful and is still leaking a bit. Didn't go a and e as he hasn't been sick or sleepy.

Kittycatcat Mon 11-Mar-13 19:29:05

Stoopid phone. S not A!!!

abbyfromoz Mon 11-Mar-13 19:32:13

Frak- not a bad mum! In fact teaching your lo is very un- lazy imo...

No good to hear that bubba is still unwell ubw... A has had a snotty nose and cough since getting back from aus 3 weeks ago- damn recycled air on planes!
She was a right nightmare today with refusing to get in the buggy- dont think she knows how good she's got it all tucked up snuggly buggly in the buggy while i am freezing my patooty off wheeling her highness around in blizzard conditions wink
She's in bed now! Goodbye baby tv
HELLO WINE grinwine

Glaikit Mon 11-Mar-13 19:37:44

Kitty, I've just seen the photos on fb, poor S. they have hard head heads (as I typed that B has just head butted the back of the sofa).

I've just cleared our path, bloody snow

abbyfromoz Mon 11-Mar-13 19:39:44

Oh kitty just read this...sorry to hear that's awful sad

Kittycatcat Mon 11-Mar-13 19:58:58

Gets better. Tried A with yoghurt again earlier and he's just thrown up

GreenFirefly Mon 11-Mar-13 21:40:06

Hope S is ok Kitty poor thing.

We have a dusting of snow. Shouldn't it be getting spring-like by now? I'm fed up of being cold. Cycling to work isn't much fun when it's cold, even if it is only 10 minutes. Then when the weather is nicer I'll probably have to stop cycling as bump will be in the way.
I think I felt some movement over the last couple of days smile

JoEW Tue 12-Mar-13 09:40:11

oh Kitty, I hope you're ok, you are having a dreadful time at the moment. Conor bumps his head about 10 times a day, boys for you. We've not had anything that looks like that though! Sure he will be on the mend soon.

Could you try to get a dietician appointment for A, that might help give you some ideas about what's troubling him. You can get a referral via your GP.

Firefly, I am also cycling to work but was naughty this morning and drove. That biting wind yesterday was just too vile for words. No snow here. Feel very left out!

Our childproofing is also rather slack, even the cupboards that have the child locks can be opened with a good yank, as we are so crap at DIY. I seem to shout "MIND YOU FINGERS" a lot.

GreenFirefly Tue 12-Mar-13 21:54:41

I cheated today - got a lift with DH - my excuse is we're collecting boxes for the house move, and I can't carry them on bike smile

MrsWajs Wed 13-Mar-13 16:51:29

Just place marking as you've fallen off my TIO!
Not much to report really still pg and getting huge at an alarming rate - only 15+5 too!!

UnderwaterBasketWeaving Wed 13-Mar-13 18:04:40

Hey All,

Kitty, hope you and S's bump are ok.

You cyclists are nuts amazing. How exciting about wiggles, Firefly!

F is still ill. Just sorry for himself and a streaming nose. No cough or signs of ear infection. I hope he's better tomorrow. sad

UnderwaterBasketWeaving Wed 13-Mar-13 19:41:14

And MrsW, nearly 16 weeks already?! time flies...

TwentiethCenturyGirl Thu 14-Mar-13 19:47:26

16 weeks. Eeek - exciting times MrsW! I'm jealous though...I wish it was me! I am B.R.O.O.D.Y grin

Absolutely knackered here at the mo. Nobody in the house is sleeping well at the moment and we're not sure why. I'm longing for a proper lie in.

How's F today UBW? Hope he's a bit better.

UnderwaterBasketWeaving Thu 14-Mar-13 20:13:17

Sleep deprivation is horrible, 20th. Hope you get your lie in this weekend.

F is still up & down. Not hot anymore but not right. He's had lots of sleep and daddy snuggles today, perked up for a bit between morning & afternoon nap, but that's it. sad

JKSLtd Thu 14-Mar-13 21:09:30

I could do with a list of pg mums on here and how pg you are, is it just me?! confused grin

DD was a right handful today <polite understatement> I was truly fed up with her by bedtime and tried to get DH (rarely home at bedtime to be fair to her) to put her to bed. There was howling.
so i cuddled her for ages until i knew she was calm, sigh.

She doesn't give me a seconds peace or let me go into another room atm, luckily she still naps after lunch or i'd be going crazy!
Weeing in peace only happens when she's not awake!

I know, I know, this too shall pass....grin

Kittycatcat Thu 14-Mar-13 21:18:36

Could also do with that list jks grin

S was up hourly last night. Lucky A slept thru it. Took s in with me at 530 and he slept til 7. He's been moaning already tonight.

GreenFirefly Thu 14-Mar-13 21:44:37

Hand up. Pregnant - 17 weeks tomorrow! Saw the midwife today and got top marks for my wee and blood samples confused. My iron levels are great somehow. Not sure what I've been eating to make it so good (I'm sure cake isn't that iron rich, even if it is chocolate grin).
I also got to hear baby's heartbeat and she took a look at my scar. She's seen better and told me to make sure the consultant got to see it at my appointment. If I have another c-sec they should be able to tidy it up a bit, and hopefully it'll heal with fewer lumps and bumps. Am thinking I'd like to book c-sec but maybe if I went into labour before I would give VBAC a go.

Kittycatcat Thu 14-Mar-13 21:47:21

That's fab grin


<<echoes ominously>>

Where is everyone this weekend?

JKSLtd Sun 17-Mar-13 15:09:27

I'm here!

Happy St Patrick's Day everyone shamrock smile

Been swimming, out for food shopping & to Factory Shop for bits & bobs & usual talk-mummy-into-buying toys <sigh>

Having a quick sit down before tackling homework and school bag packing...

Glaikit Sun 17-Mar-13 15:24:50

Hello! Nothing of note to report here! More snow! That's about it!

B got new wellies.

UnderwaterBasketWeaving Sun 17-Mar-13 15:37:51

Hello, I'm here.

F is better! But we seem to be BFing again.

I have a cold. And I'm a bit stressed. I just deleted the whole rant. Just the normal too much work to fit in a normal week.

Daisy17 Sun 17-Mar-13 15:47:28

I'm here too! We've got snow, very unexpected, splatty and wet but fun in wellies.....Friends coming with their three kids for play and Sunday roast. Nice weekend. smile

Daisy17 Sun 17-Mar-13 15:48:19

Sorry about work UBW, rant away..

TwentiethCenturyGirl Sun 17-Mar-13 16:30:22

I'm here too. I also have a work related rant - something I should have done weeks ago has been playing on my mind all weekend. I know that our head of department is going to ask for a progress update next week and I've done sweet fa. I mean absolutely nada. Oh, to be a do-er and not a procrastinator...

Just want to get into work and actually do something about it. Can't believe I'm wishing the weekend away!

Glaikit Sun 17-Mar-13 16:38:17

Pg aprilites kiddiecare have a flash sale on today not that I'm encouraging you to spend!

GreenFirefly Sun 17-Mar-13 19:27:57

Well, from being on a high on Friday morning about a great midwife appointment the weekend has gone a bit downhill. I'm currently a snot factory and feel grim. Also, I have to go for a blood test first thing tomorrow as my friends DD might have slapped cheek disease which can be serious for pregnancy. The blood test should establish if I'm immune - apparently most people are.

Kittycatcat Sun 17-Mar-13 19:58:11

Eek firefly. Hope ur ok.

And hugs to those with work issues.

I've had a child free, girly, alcohol induced afternoon. Bliss.

fraktion Sun 17-Mar-13 20:08:16

Hope you're ok firefly!

I'm here now. Left DS for 36 hours, first time overnight, to go to Paris. Feeding him now but boobs were like rocks on the train!

Glaikit Mon 18-Mar-13 09:44:55

I've just had a terrible phonecall from DH. His cousins little girl died in her sleep last night. They dont know why, she broke her arm a few months or so ago, but she wasnt ill as far as we know.

I can't stop crying. I can't even think how old she would be. 11 I think. I feel numb. I can't even being to think how she must feel.

B is asleep in our bed, I want to go hug him so tight right now.

fraktion Mon 18-Mar-13 10:43:04

Oh gosh hmmhmmhmm How awful! Thinking of you and the whole family. That's such a tragic thing to happen. I can't imagine how you all most be feeling.

Kittycatcat Mon 18-Mar-13 12:35:30

That's so terribly sad fizz. Thinking of you all and sending big hugs xxx

JKSLtd Mon 18-Mar-13 12:53:45

Oh Fizz sad

How unutterably awful for her family & all of you. Be gentle with yourself & DH, let yourselves cry.

(PS Frak on my phone your faces looked like sad faces but on laptop they look like hmm faces)

ILikeToMoveItMoveIt Mon 18-Mar-13 16:32:30

Oh Fizz what awful news. Just horrible.

I was going to waffle on on here about how atrocious ds3's behaviour has been, but it doesn't matter does it?

Thinking of you all xx

Oh no ILike please waffle. I didn't mean to hog the thread.

Thank you for all you kindness. Dh is still at work so we don't know anything more yet. SIL is very close with cousin, I am worried for her. But you guys know my relationship with my in laws isn't the best. She wouldn't appreciate me calling her I don't think.

B is coming down with something as he as been unusually sleepy, and weeping at the slightest thing. And not tantrumy weeping, like something really isn't right. And he is off his food.

Dh has his interview for his job on Wednesday. I can't remember if I have said, they are regrading his post, because of all the work he has taken on over and above what he should be doing and the positive changes he has made to his organisation. The regrading has been in the pipeline since July last year.it so good to finally be getting near the end of the fiasco. They had the interviews for the people who applied on level transfer last week because public sector have to be fair and open hmm in their recruitment process. Only it's not very fair on dh who is faced with the possibility of not getting his own job angry when absolutely nothing has changed, it is literally the job he is doing, nothing more nothing less. Add into the mix the pure incompetence of hr and well, my blood pressure has been sky high a few times recently. The farce is, it is 99.9% his already, but there is still that 0.1% niggle that he might not get it, so why go through a 2 month recruitment process. It's not very fair on the other applicants either, although I don't care much about them!

I am wishing this week over already.

TwentiethCenturyGirl Mon 18-Mar-13 20:05:07

Oh Fizz - that's just heartbreaking for your family. How sad. News like that puts everything into perspective doesn't it.

It sounds like you're having a really tough week. Take care and make sure that you and your DH are there to support each other through it.

Thinking of your family fizz, bad news always makes you want to hug your own children extra tightly.

The snow finally made it to Guernsey last week, not to do things by half we had a Red Weather Warning, the blizzard coincided with gale force winds. Loads of trees down but luckily no-one seriously hurt. DS got 3 snow days off school.

I am meeting up with a fellow MN on Wed. smile. Following on from a chat thread to check our local pages i did so. She'd posted in January as was moving here this month but no-one had responded. I posted & voila.
Turns out she also has a DD who has just turned 2 so we are meeting up at the soft play. (It feels like a blind date, should I buy a MN scarf to wear and carry around a fruit shoot and some PomBears so she recognises me grin.)

Daisy17 Tue 19-Mar-13 08:03:19

Argh. Really pissed off by a comment made by a friend's friend on FB about how a real family is one where one parent stays at home rather than "farming" the children out to "rush" back to their careers, and that such parents shouldn't have bothered to have children at all. I know, I know, it's FB and a contentious issue but......have just called him rude and arrogant. I don't even know him. sad

Daisy17 Tue 19-Mar-13 08:09:28

Sorry, Fizz, massive hugs to you and yours. Inconceivable. Xx.

JoEW Tue 19-Mar-13 09:22:32

Fizz, thinking of you and your family, that is utterly tragic. No parent should have to deal with the death of a child. It does make me realise how very lucky I am.

Good luck on your 'date', Gsy. I know what you mean about the blind dates, I've found a couple of playdates with New Friends have felt a bit like a first date! Will they judge me if I serve fish fingers to the children...

Daisy, people are idiots. Of course that's nonsense. Conor loves his nursery, I practically have to drag him home in the evening but if you're a working mother you will always have The Guilt.

Is Arch still on here or has she named changed? I saw on Facebook she's really worried as her DH has been made redundant.

No news from me really, Conor is very into colours at the moment. LELLO, mummy, LELLO!! Love it.

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Kittycatcat Tue 19-Mar-13 19:43:17

Thinking of you fizz. Hugs

I had a rant earlier, then realised I'd posted way too much info. I'm fine, we are fine. Just desperately sad.

DHs interview tomorrow so hopefully I will be posting good news tomorrow.

Kittycatcat Tue 19-Mar-13 20:28:35

Fingers crossed

JKSLtd Tue 19-Mar-13 21:52:35

Fingers crossed for interview, hugs for sadness.

UnderwaterBasketWeaving Tue 19-Mar-13 23:06:57

Yes, hugs and love for you and your family. It's so sad.

Good interview vibes from here. My DH has an interview on Thursday. Fingers crossed.

Daisy17 Wed 20-Mar-13 07:02:44

Fingers crossed for interviews this week. Thanks, Jo. smile
So yesterday S woke at 430 and didn't go back to sleep - today he woke at 4, went back to sleep again BUT I DIDN'T!!!! What is my body trying to do to me?! We had three 630s in a row last week as well, shouldn't have got my hopes up......

Kittycatcat Wed 20-Mar-13 09:01:53

Anyone suggest good ride on toy for S's 2ndbirthday present. Not the cosy coupe he has that at His dgp's and he's going there 3 days a week when I go back to work unless thanTWO WEEKS

JKSLtd Wed 20-Mar-13 09:28:59

I always fancied getting one of those fire engine/police bike ride ons? On phone but may try and find a link later.

Kittycatcat Wed 20-Mar-13 09:31:59

Just been looking at the new wheelybug. Would go great on our wooden floors. S could race a in his walker

JKSLtd Wed 20-Mar-13 10:00:01

Oh yes, i know people with them and their kids love them. for some reason we've never had one.
Blimey, toys we've not got shock! grin

Kittycatcat Wed 20-Mar-13 10:14:55

Haha tell me about it! A friend just gave me some ikea toy storage but filled it with toys too!! Fab tho

Shite day here. Dh didn't get his own job. No one did. So for four years had graft turning round a failing department after moving 150 miles away from all our family and friends, not applying for previous jobs on promotion because they were "working on something" to sort him out, they saw fit to not give him his own job. His reward for this. Continuing to do his job. Their reward for not giving him it, demotivated person and not having to pay him a few extra ££££s a month.

I found out I didn't even get on the short list for the job I applied for a while back.

I realise we are both lucky to be working in semi secure jobs in the first place, but DHs job is what we moved for. It's the thing keeping us here. I tell myself to stick it out here because he loves his job so much. So now we are in this position, where does it leave us? Job market back home is buoyant. I could practically name my price for a job up there with my experience. Dh would to, but it would be a big shift for him public sector for 18 years does things to you.

I'm spinning, I don't really know what I'm thinking.

UnderwaterBasketWeaving Wed 20-Mar-13 18:11:30

Sorry to hear that Fizz. And I'm angry on you and your DH's part. What a kick in the teeth not to give him the job.

ILikeToMoveItMoveIt Wed 20-Mar-13 19:26:33

Sorry to hear that fizz. The job Market is just shite at the moment. People getting shafted left, right and centre, but not feeling they can complain because of the lack of jobs about.

I can imagine working in the public sector can be hard to leave. especially when you've worked there for a long time. But being treated like he has been could be the nail in the coffin.

Give yourselves a few days to rant, then when you're calmer think about what you want to do in the future.

kitty - we have a ladybird wheeleybug (called Gaston!) and the boys love it, as do the children who come here.

Ds3 is off to his Granny's in the morning so I can help at pre school for a few hours. I'm looking forward to it. It's probably the last chance I'll get to see ds2 as the big fish in a small pond grin - he starts primary in September <gulp>

JKSLtd Wed 20-Mar-13 19:28:11

Fizz - i don't even know where to begin. angry to start with!
Don't make any decisions tonight, just have a wine and veg out a bit.
See how the dust settles then have a considered discussion about the pros and cons of staying vs going home.

ILikeToMoveItMoveIt Wed 20-Mar-13 19:29:37

I keep meaning to ask, is anyone else's lo starting preschool in September?

I'm going to have regular child-free hours again for the first time in 2.5 years shock What will I do with myself? ...... Clean the house probably hmm

JKSLtd Wed 20-Mar-13 19:32:22

x-post with you ILike & I was just thinking of posting the same q! <great minds grin>

DD starts in Sept, I think probably 3 mornings a week, 9-12.
She'll love it, me too if i'm honest.
I may investigate some low level office work but my main dream is for my Monday mornings come Sept:

Dh takes DS1 to sch anyway, so he can take DD - same site. DS2 gets the bus from the front door. I can stay in bed until approx 11.45!!! grin

Kittycatcat Wed 20-Mar-13 19:44:31

Fizz what everyone else said. Utter Shiite all round angry

Ilike do you have the small or large?

Alex has bought up every meal today. I'm sick of sick

Daisy17 Wed 20-Mar-13 19:45:53

Fizz, that absolutely sucks. Loyalty just doesn't seem to count for anything anymore. So shortsighted too. Spitting for you.

B starts playgroup in may. 2 mornings a week to start with building up to the whole week I think. He already goes with CM on the days she is the parent helper and he loves it. 3 hrs a session! Cannot wait!!

No hasty decisions here, but dh seems resigned that his tenure in his current role has come to an end. We will just have to wait and see what is round the corner. As they say where I'm from "fits fur yi, winnae ging by yi" ( what's for you won't go by you). There has to be a bigger reason for all this. I hope it becomes apparent soon.

JKSLtd Wed 20-Mar-13 20:14:29

He's probably right Fizz, doors closing and others opening and all that.

fraktion Wed 20-Mar-13 20:31:05

That's bloody awful. What a farce!!!

M is already at a preschool 4 sessions a week. Debating whether I keep him there all next year or apply for a kindy place at the nice primary near us in Jan 14... It's open as soon as they're 2,5 so he misses the Sept start.

ILikeToMoveItMoveIt Wed 20-Mar-13 21:36:30

Large kitty. M can ride around on it fine, but then he is tall. I would get a large still though, lots of growing room grin

I like your style JKS grin

Kittycatcat Wed 20-Mar-13 22:01:13

S is a tiddler. Little legs like me. Can m still spin on it etc?

TwentiethCenturyGirl Fri 22-Mar-13 15:00:05

We've got a wheely bug and it never gets used TBH. DD never seems to have taken to it, not sure why confused

Sorry about your DH Fizz. We're going through a similar thing at my workplace at the moment. We're also public sector and it's the second time we've been through it in two years. I've been fortunate in that my position is pretty safe at the moment, however I work with lots of people who are similar periods of uncertainty. It's shit.

I've got friends who live in your hometown (pretty sure I remember you saying where you're from originally). Her DH packed his secure finance related job in because he wanted to try working for himself. It didn't work out but he was able to find a new job within a couple of weeks of looking. I was shocked - the job market up there seems to be completely unrelated to the rest of the UK. Maybe what's just happened has happened for a reason.