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April 2011 - nearly 2, it's still all about you <disclaimer, I might be having a bad day>
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Thanks to Frak, thread title queen!

How are they nearly two?!
Our first aprilite will already be two! JoEW <waves> if you are lurking!
Who is next? There are a couple next month for sure!
I was thinking of little C the other day!
F is two on Good Friday. We're going to go to the zoooooo!
Oops C is feb, not jan!
stats thread aw! I feel all nostalgic!
Place marking!! Thanks frak for the title and ubw for starting us off. Great we are still here and going strong.
good work on the new thread. fizz, glad they've pinpointed the allergy for B, must be a relief.
P's birthday is on Easter Sunday this year. DS 1st birthday also fell on Easter Sunday. My house is going to be overrun with chocolate isn't it.
Took P on her first walk up to school in her reins this afternoon (as opposed to in the buggy) she loved it. I did miss having the buggy to hang all DS school paraphernalia off though.
There were loads of us on the stats thread weren't there. Maybe we need an April '11 where are they now thread 
I'm not on the stats thread. I was a full on lurker until DD arrived and I realised I was in desperate need of a sounding board! I do recognise a lot of the names though, and as I'm intrinsically nosey, I want updates too!
Oh you didn't! That thread title was a joke! <mortified>
Haha Frak 
DD loves walking round the corner for a few shopping bits now.
She does have to have her own bag of course!
Luckily she was bought a perfect sized garish Hello Kitty one for Christmas, then you have to remember to buy something light for her to carry in it.
She does attract lots of 'ahhs' 
Ha ha, it was my favourite title
. thanks or the title Frak and thanks for starting the thread UBW.
The thought of our lo's being two makes me gulp. How can the time have gone so fast?
Ds3 is moving into age 2-3 clothes so this week I unpacked ds2's old 2-3 clothes and felt incredibly emotional. I couldn't believe that I had last packed away those clothes 2 years ago. Where had those 2 years gone? <sentimental fool>
We all went for a walk in the parklands in the village this morning. It was beautiful but so cold and windy. I'm still trying to warm up - hopefully the bacon, eggs and beans that dh is currently cooking will help! 
I'm out either my girls
has been had. I've told them about.mooncups and bum sex threads. I might have to. nc ¡¡ <hic>
Ok fizz you've lost me? 
My translation of that is...
She is out with the girls. Wine has been consumed. She has told them about moon cups and bum sex. She might have to name change.

Hahaha I think that's it 
I am soooooo ecked staying in my teenage bedroom . B is down stairs in lap of luxury. I think I met my mum on the tails fecked I am. BirthdAy batty at 10 am not happening
Feck I'm pissed
Sorry
Love you all muchly seriously
Hahaha your heads gonna hurt in the morning fizz. Love you too lovely lady 
Ha ha ha,love it!
I hope you get a lie in Fizz, I am impressed with still being up at 3.30am!
It's my dad's birthday today so we've got the family coming over. The baking will commence shortly and dh can start tidying the house with the boys 'help'. I hope everyone has an enjoyable Sunday 
Ahhh fizz now your fb comment all makes sense!! Well kind of.....
mrswajs I'm so so sorry about that. I don't even know what said. I am.not very proud of myself right now.
What's your crime Fizz? getting pished and then doing and saying a few silly things? Gawd, we've all been there
Is it really Monday tomorrow already?
Hello Aprilites!
Cannot believe our babies will be 2!
ILike I had an emotional clothes moment earlier, packing away some 18-24 pyjamas. They won't be coming out again for a baby of mine! <sob>
My little man is barely in 18-24 yet. Shorty like his mum.
DD in size 3-4... Yep you read right. She's super tall but still my little baby. Can't bring myself to go through her wardrobe again! Got a huge suitcase full of baby clothes that is bursting at the seams! Holding on much? All my mummy friends are onto baby number 2 and i'm doing everything i can not to get clucky...
Ah, hello ladies! I do still lurk but by the time I've caught up (or tried to at least) I've run out of time to write anything. And then I think it's a bit odd to just say hello, like some sort of weirdy internet stalker, but not contribute anything useful. Regardless, hello. I'm not that weird, honestly.
Hope you survived the hangover, Fizz. If it makes you feel better, it was my birthday on Saturday so I went out for a girls night on Friday and was so tired and hungover on Saturday that my dinner out with DH (we NEVER go out together) lasted till half nine, when he asked if I would like to go home and I sheepishly said: "oh god, yes please". We had a baby-sitter and everything.
How are all the preggers ladies? How many do we have. I've clocked MrsW but who else?
Yes, C is two on 22nd. How?? He's going to be moving up a class at nursery soon, not in the baby room anymore. He's still a little tiddler (anyone else still in 9 - 12 month clothing?!) but he's such fun. I love this age.
Hope everyone's on form.
x
I'm home! Still feel rough! Ridiculous! I'm so out of drinking condition!
Anyway! B was awake the whole way home so he's having a nap now, I might have one too!
I have never had a 2 day hangover in my life!!! Still I was out 3-3! There maybe is life in the old dog yet!
Teehee Fizz i wasn't really sure what you said either tbh so no harm done!! I had to delete the post anyway as someone had basically outed me as being pg!!! Very considerate, hope MIL didn't see it before then!
I'm keeping well thanks JoEW nausea has pretty much vanished although sense of smell is still in overdrive and i still feel a bit bleugh from time to time. I think the other pg ladies are keeping it strictly to fb at the moment so you might be better to ask there
So bought a new car at the weekend. Can't remember who suggested it but we went with the estate idea and got an audi A4 - tis v nice! Lets just hope now that i'm not having twins - don't seem to recall putting on 10lbs in the first trimester last time!!?
Good to see you, Jo, I mostly lurk too! S is still in 9-12 month trousers and 12-18 month tops, he's a dinky little thing, although surprisingly heavy with it and very strong!
Oh god! It wasn't me was it? That's my fear after I saw it disappeared!
Hi Jo, and pmsl at Fizz 
I had a few on Fri night but luckily not too many this time, last hangover was a killer <getting old>
Do we have a birthday list? Did i post one last year? will look...
Here is the list from the Stats thread, I may tidy it a little & Start was it you who wasn't on it? If you post your relevant info (as much or as little as you like) I'll add you?
Gormers; DD1, Eva, 16/01 Already 2 
JoEW; DS1, Conor, 22/02
stuffedmk; DC2, Thomas, 23/03
Poodle82; DC1, Joshua, 24/03
LJB; DD2, Baby Girl, 26/03
Aprilmeadow; DC4, Finn, 27/03
Chillikat; Megan, 27/03
Lowra; DC1, Amber, 27/03
Petalouda; DC1, Felix, 28/03
Meg89; DC2, Teddy, 29/03
Alibabaandthe40nappies; DC2, Thomas, 28/03
Ulysses; Anna, 30/03
PussinJimmyChoos; DC2, Yaseen, 30/03
Liv77; DC2, Phoebe, 31/03
Thaney; DC1, Amelia, 05/04
Cyclebump; DS1, Henry, 05/04
NotAnotherNewNappy; DC2, Rosina, 06/04
BeetleBaby; DS1, Samuel, 07/04
rubybambini; DD1, Kitty, 08/04
Jaylar; DC2, Archer, 10/04
Kitstwins; DC3, 11/04
Sassy20; DD1, Lucy, 13/04
Daisy17; Seth, 13/04
JenAT; George David 16/04
Sats1977; DC1, Oliver, 20/04
Zafnoodles; DS1, Jacob, 18/04
lucieloo; DC1, George, 18/04
JKS; DC3, Mary, 20/04
Caramellokoalalover; DC2, Scarlett, 20/04
Frak; DC1, Marc, 21/04
AussieMum2Be; DD1, Dylan-Indianna 21/04
JollySergeantJackrum; DC1, Harris, 21/04
Chipsahoynicki; DC2, Isaac, 21/04
beckie90; DC2, Oliver Jack, 22/04
SaltedPretzels; DC3 Amelia, 23/04
MrsWajs; DC1, Robyn, 25/04
Natzer; April, 25/04
Tinwe; Hazel
Karoleann; DC3, Emily, 26/04
ecuse, DD1, Joanna, 27/04
ILikeToMoveItMoveIt; DC3, Ike, 28/04
LisMcA; DC1, Blair, 30/04
Architien; DC2 (DS1), Rose, 1/05
CountScoutula; DC1 Freda, 29/04
Trucha10; DC1 Evan, 10/05
Kittycatcat; DC1 Samuel, 11/05
+ Starshaped 
Are you a name changer Abby or new to the thread - apologies if I'm being dim.
I have had a couple of 2 day hangovers before, so many sympathies fizz
You should come and say hi more often jo, there's nothing wrong with just a hi IMO.
Glad to hear the nausea is better mrsW. I was one of the people who recommended an estate car. We've got an A6 and I love it, it's old and knackered looking now but it doesn't owe us a penny.
I think I've seen kitstwins about on MN, I couldn't think why the name was familiar but the list has made it all clear.
Has anyone heard from or seen gormers since?
I was in touch with Gormers for a little while when Conor was in hospital but then it all went quiet. I've always wondered what happended with her and Eva. I do always hope everything is ok.
Yes, *kitstwins' was one of us, back in the day.
Brag alert ...
Ds3 just counted to three. I have no idea where he got that from, obviously picking it up from songs or ds2.
And, he jumped. Proper jumps with both feet fully off of the ground <proud>
Hi everyone - new thread, new name
I'm sure you'll work it out soon (and I'll put it on the Facebook doc). I feel all nostalgic looking through the stats thread, and also trying to work out who's who now after a few name changes.
And as I've name changed I'm going to mention my booking in appointment tomorrow - I think I'm 8 or 9 weeks
I haven't been feeling too bad - though that might be due to warding off any nausea with chocolate digestives, I think I might put on a bit more weight in this first trimester than I did last time...
Nice to see you Jo
- what happened to everyone else?
Had to refer to the doc
. Exciting times.
Hi Jo.
Ah ha! Gotch firefly! 
Nice to see Daisy too - and hello Abby 
<<rushes back fom FB>>
Ooh, Congratulations Firefly 
I am feeling rather guilty, I fell asleep on the couch whilst DS was doing his reading homework. What comment should I put in his Reading Diary do you think?
.
GSY - you could say it was smooth
Nice to see so many people - congratulations Firefly
ILike - T is desperate to jump. He stands in the middle of the floor shouting 'jump jump' trying to get himself of the ground.
He is also counting but no-one believed me because he had only done it in front of me until the other day.
Congratulations firefly
You're all coming out the woodwork - long time no see, Jo! Do pop on and just say hi every so often.
We also have counting but I'm convinced he's brewing a special kind of maths. 1-10 in English, 1-5, 10-15, 20-25, 30-35, 40-45, 50-55 in Welsh and no prime numbers in French
No jumping though despite my best efforts to teach him. Lots of bobbing and knee bending and a cute creeping step like playing grandmother's footsteps!
Gsy smooth is a good one. Fluid or even would work well too!
How's the hangover, fizz?!
Back to work tomorrow. Hmmm. No doctors appointments before next flipping Wednesday so I still have no idea why I should have been fatigued. Not helpful!
Sorry should have introduced myself! New thread- fairly new to MN.
Love being able to see what other toddlers same age are up to. DD Ariana born 21st/04/11
She's been obsessed with counting and singing lately... And picking her nose (followed by 'errr YUCK') yep it is Ari...Sings twinkle twinkle almost perfectly with the hand actions, particularly loud on the words she knows (imagine- 'didel didel inel STAAAAR... upa buppa wod da HIIIIGH... inda na da in da SIIIIIGH!!) ok so nearly perfectly
Seriously cute. Counting to 10 (with the exception of number 6) and back from 5 (apparently must end in 'blast off!)
Just enough hair to look like i have deliberately given her a mullet. We'll get there...
Welcome Abby. I thought you were a name changer, apologies.
S loves to jump
. And SHOOOUT. He says shout very loudly. He can almost sing three little monkeys, his current fave. Yesterday he tried to give A his bottle. And I heard him say 'alright Alex' when he was crying.<proud mummy>
Counting in Welsh Frakk? How many languages have you got going on in your house??!!
Have you not even had your blood test results Frak? Are you ok to go back to work? If you haven't seen anyone about your results how do you know if you are ok to return? <fretting>
Ds3 has an obsession with bouncing on the bed which I think helped him to master jumping.
Aw at 'alright Alex' 
Erm 4
but we're only doing 3 with him <grasps at straws>
My catch-22 is can't see doc for more tests, can't see doc for results, can't see doc to get signed off unless I go through occ health at work and I do t want to do that. Half day today anyway, Thursday will be the test and next week is the killer 8am starts. Teens don't want to be learning at that time, I don't want to be teaching at that time!
Hi abby we're all insane. Looking forward to getting to know you!
Thanks all 
Frak- sounds like i'll fit in!
Well that all went ok
I saw the lovely midwife who came to visit after M was born - she asked how she was and tried to work out who she looked like from photos.
I mentioned I'd like an elcs to avoid the long unproductive labour again. Kitty it worked out well for you, didn't it? I'm also hoping that my red lumpy scar might get tidied up at the same time. But I'd suddenly wondering if I'm being wussy, but c-sec recovery isn't wussy is it? 

I had a visit from Children's Centre people yesterday delivering the second bookstart pack - M is thrilled with more books. I've lost count of how many times I've read Wow! Said the Owl in 24 hours 
The only thing with the c sec this time is 10 weeks u til u can hold your toddler. I didn't wait that long. But you will need help for the first few weeks tho for sure. I was ok after 6 where with s it was 3. My scar is bumpy this time but wasn't last time. 
Glad all is well Firefly, very
of your 2 year Bookstart pack, they stopped producing the 2 year old one last year due to cutbacks and my library's supply ran out months ago. Your CC must have stockpiled.
Frak DH'S cousin has a similarly multilingual household. He's English, currently lives/works in France and met his Bolivian wife when working in Spain. Think he knows some Japanese too. I on the other hand got an E at GCSE French but do know a few phrases in Guernsey Patois, unfortunatly mostly ones which are not to be repeated in polite company.
Help pls. Need a blender to make A's food. No clue what to get. The one mil bought for s was useless so binned it (after breaking it with potato). Any recommendations? And any purée recipes pls? We bough for S but it was expensive.
I'd get a hand held stand one although I love my magimux. We did BLW though so no real advice!
I used my kitchen aid blender, which is a beast. They're expensive though so only worth considering if it's something you'd be using a lot. Such a faff to wash up though...
I know some people don't like her but I found the Annabel Karmal purees to be alright. DD wolfed them down anyway. We just got a book out the library. The River Cottage Baby and Toddler cookbook also has some nice stuff in it - there are recipes in there for the whole family.
I think the starter purees are just common sense tbh. We just steamed or roasted fruit and veg and then mushed it up. It's worth investing in some ice cube trays or little tubs so that you can make a load and stick some in the freezer.
I got a handheld one from Tesco which was cheap and good. Then we switched over to BLW anyway so hardly used it.
ps - trying them on potato will kill most of them though! not speaking from experience, oh no 
DD getting into wooden puzzles big time all of a sudden, and counting to 3 too. Though she knows that '4' is a big number so asks for 4 of anything good she wants. e.g. Do you want a biscuit? 4! 
Note to self. Mash the potato.
get a ricer for the potatoes and you'll never have lumpy mash again. I'm
of your kitchen aid star. its too big for us.to.have one. what colour do you have?
my blender is a Kenwood and it shzuzes <technical> whisks and has a mini processor bit.
Kitty I've got a Braun handheld which has done 5+ years and is still going strong - I use it all the time to do onions, garlic, carrots etc for bolognaise etc. It has a whisk, a stick blender and a little pot thing <technical> which has a v.sharp blade in it.
Saves me getting my big ken wood out all the time - it is lovely but huge and takes ages to clean.
Second the ricer recommendation, they are brilliant.
JKS -
at 4 biscuits! Sounds like she and T have similar ideas!
Ok blender is sorted. Just need to get my head round what to make.
I think I might be heading for depression. It's that it my hormones shifting. I'm not coping at all well. I seem to be shouting all the time and then crying. Alex has got all clingy. Prob teething/ sleep regression/separation anxiety. (4.5 months now). I tried talking to dh who said Im ready to go back to work. I'm not. I don't want to. I don't like myself at the moment.
Aww kitty have a hug from me
It's not easy when you're feeling like that. Take my advice and speak to someone sooner rather than later. I sat on my PND for months and it was awful. I really wish i'd dealt with it sooner. And i don't want to scaremonger but it came to a real head as soon as i went back to work. I was having panic attacks and all sorts. That's when i knew something was really wrong.
Try not to be too hard on yourself though.You've got a tough job on with 2 under 2 and it sounds like you're doing a fab job with them both
x
Thanks mrsw
{{Kitty}} I don't really know anything about PND, but what I would say is that your current situation will probably be one the hardest times of your life. Looking after children is tough. Looking after 2 under 2, well I take my hat off to you, I really do.
My advice would be to talk. Talk to someone who listens and isn't dismissive of how you are feeling. If there are changes that can be made to help you, make them. Sometimes situations are just tough and you have to weather the storm, but sometimes you can do things to address the problem.
I hope this makes some sort of sense to you x
I also meant to say don't underestimate the effect sleep deprivation can have on you. This time last year I thought I was heading towards PND, then ds's sleeping improved and so did my mood and outlook.
Thanks ilike.sleep isn't too bad. Only do one feed in the night now.
On my way to Heathrow ladies. Flying home to Australia solo with DD as my grandfather is sadly terminally ill. 30 hours in transit. Got the ergo and plenty of snacks and toys... Wish me luck!
So sorry Abby. Good luck
Oh kitty <holds hand strokes hair> I've been there, I know how you feel. I'm like MrsW going back to work was my catalyst. I just couldn't cope with one extra thing in my life. Please speak to someone you trust. I called my HV who came to visit and was totally non judgemental. I was snappy and shouty and felt like I had constant PMT.
We are here to listen. (((Hugs)))
That's exactly how I feel fizz.
Facing up to how you feel is the hard bit. Don't be afraid to ask for help. Do you get any time to yourself away from the boys and the house?
Not as much as I probably should. But I feel like a bad mum if I want to! I have suffered with depression in the past but not for years.
Sorry to hear about your Grandad Abby, safe journey.
A Mother's guilt is bottomless, but I do think that it is really important to have 'me time' - I do hate that phrase, but it actually says what it does on the tin. Needing time away from the kids is quite normal - who wants to be at work 24/7? I sure as hell don't.
In my experience it gets easier to leave them the more times you do it. I used to have to say to myself over and over, 'they are with their dad who loves them as much as I do. They are loved and being taken care of.' I used to rush home out of guilt, I'd get home and the boys would be having a ball and dh would ask me why I was back home so soon! As the years have passed I very rarely rush back 
Wanting time to yourself doesn't make you a bad mum, it makes you human.
Going back to work was the trigger for me to seek help, but not because work was too much. It made me realise the Lisa I used to be at work was not the Lisa I was anymore. Work kept me sane when I thought I was losing it everywhere else. I'm not saying go back to work to get time to yourself, I hope you can see what I mean.
Looking back now I suffered depression in the past too, but was on my own, only had myself to look out for so I plodded my way through it.
You have two beautiful boys, under two! You are a brilliant mum, but you are also Kitty. Wife, sister, friend, daughter.
Thanks fizz. I think I'm gonna call my hv.
<big hugs>
I agree that facing up to it is the hardest thing to do but it does get better when you do that. Di you feel you could talk to your HV or GP?
Thinking of you abby. I'm assuming DD is still on your lap. I'm so glad the next time we do long haul DS will have to have a child ticket as I got fed up of being squashed by the time we came back to Europe!
Randomly delayed post there.
Good that you're going to talk it through. You do definitely need time to yourself, for yourself. I think we all forget that sometimes.
Sorry that you're feeling so rubbish Kitty
It sounds like you're doing fabulously with your beautiful boys though and I think that you're being really brave in asking for help. Do you have a friendly GP at your practice that you can talk to?
Hope that your monster journey is ok Abby. I'm sorry to hear about your granddad and that you're going home under such sad circumstances.
I meant to say that we've got a Kitchen Aid food processor Fizz, not a blender. I'd love one of their pretty cake mixers but can't justify the cost. I cook absolutely loads and am always blitzing stuff in the processor but don't bake enough to make use of one of the mixers.
Kitty, I can't imagine how hard it is having two under 2. I can barely cope with one. Time to yourself is important, I think I need to remember that sometimes (although I also get the feeling I should be spending as much non working time with F as possible, and so it becomes impossible to take time off). Hope your hv can help.
We've just had a right shock. F wasn't sleeping, not unusual. Just talking to himself. He started sounding distressed saying "mummy wipe". I found him covered in olbas oil, and had apparently drunk some.
OOH said he should be fine but to keep an eye on him overnight.
We freaked right out. (albeit it a fairly contained way) imagining horrors of internal chemical burns and toxic solvents.
We now think there's so much on his pjs and bed he can't have drunk much. But blimey what a scare.
He was pointing at it saying "drink!" We were asking if he had drunk any and he was going "yes! drink!"
Stupid thing is we've got a lockable medicine cabinet. just didn't put it back.
...I need a
!
Eek. How scary ubw. Still watching obem despite A being my last!
I bet he isn't choked up now though UBW! If he did manage to drink any I'd imagine it would be a tiny amount. I base this on how friffing difficult it is to get out of the bottle in the first place!
B has turned into an apple monster! All he wants is apples!he loves crunching them. I've taken to putting apple down with every meal so he eats it! It'll be something else next week though!
Just had a blueberry nappy! That was interesting!
blueberry nappies are interesting, aren't they!
F has just won an epic battle with Number Two (like from Austin Powers in the toilet cubicle scene: "show that turd who's in charge!") It was like he was in labour! poor thing.
None the worse for wear today after yesterday's drama. 
Scary stuff UBW, glad he's ok now.
Blueberry ones are interesting! And banana.
A new one for me was smarties the other day (obviously none of you feed your DC smarties
) but the outer casing made it through intact!
Sma smart sma whats?? Never heard of them. <hides tube under cushion> 
PMSL 
They are one of the things DD asks for '4' of 
Lol @ show that turd who's in charge 
Dh is making dinner. No doubt it will be ready by 9 and by that time I will be tired and have gone past being hungry. I'm an ungrateful old cow I know, but it really doesn't need to take that long.
I always find blueberry poo's strangely gritty. I have yet to witness a Smarties poo, I feel I am missing out.
ILike - sympathies re dinner, sometimes DH insists that we'll eat together once he gets home, then ends up not coming in until 9ish, i'm ready for bed by then!
Think you best get shopping for some smarties 
9 is an early dinner if my DH is cooking (which he does most nights). I have taken to missing out my lunch on the days I collect DS from school, instead I'll have a
when the children eat at 4.30 followed by any leftovers. Then it's supper with DH sometime before 11pm.
I feel a bit
about eating their leftovers as my meal but I hate waste and food is quite expensive here in comparison to the mainland. If I'm honest I'd eat the leftovers even if I had eaten lunch as I'm a bit of a glutton so at least it helps with my portion control. 
Oh dear. You're probably all very envious of my 5.45-6pm dinners then. Usually made while M is napping (like now) and fortunately DH is home around 5.30 so we all eat together.
But now time for a
and a
of the choc chip coookie variety 
Argh the sleep monster is here. Didn't get enough sleep today so keeps waking up. I think we had night terrors early on. And A not settling either. Tummy ache I think. He's i with me but restless. I'm not getting any sleep.
Oh kitty, I hope DH is letting you have a lie in this morning.
He was up at 6 and off to Birmingham for the football. He had fri off and is off Monday. A is not himself very vocal and unsettled. Got his injections in the morning. Already cancelled them once.
He might not get them if he is poorly kitty.
Are you up to anything tomorrow with his day off? Any chance you might get some time to yourself? tell me to butt out, but he's getting his day at the football.
Haha would never do that fizz. We are leaving the boys with his parents and going for early valentines lunch. Will see how a is in the morning.
That's good! Enjoy your lunch!
I'm guessing DH is a hammer?
Indeed he is. He's a season ticket holder. But he's been to loads of flipping football in the last week or so. Orient yesterday (I was out with the boys), wembley Wednesday. I did go out for dinner with friends Tuesday.
Don't worry about delaying the jabs Kitty. They're not given at an optimum time for the lo's, it's so they get done before the majority of mums go back to work. so it won't be to A's detriment if they are delayed again.
Being on your own with the boys and knackered is shite, I hope your dh has the mother of all lunches planned for tomorrow!
My mum is a Hammer as was her dad! has your dh ever seen Russell Brand at a match? I love him. Probably just a little too much. I never usually go for men with his look. Apart from Michael Hutchence, he was my first proper crush
Make sure dh gets he night shift tonight. Just knowing you're not 'on call' makesva huge difference ime.
How's the C25k going Fizz <stares at unworn trainers>
Ah cool thanks ilike. A slept for three hours after I'd given him calpol.
I think he has yes. I get that. There's something about him.
He is articulate and hamsome! And would do rood and durty things in the sack I think!! 
Well c25k has um, well, it's been difficult this week with shitty weather, DH has worked late twice and I have no one to leave B with. I have had a wee walk at lunchtime round the pond at work (avoiding the nasty swans). In fact maybe I shouldn't avoid them, I could run from them when they chose to attack 
I made more soup today, b is again refusing to even take one spoonful. He would rather have a Hienz Mums own recipe Sunday Chicken Dinner. He is a demon for fruit just now though. Blueberries, apples bananas satumas. Not all at once, but at least he is eating fruit, if no veg. Bar the odd handful of frozen peas!
We had a tea refuser here tonight. Fishfingers chips and beans disappeared in a shot on Wednesday but tonight she licked ketchup
off a chip, had a couple of bites of said chip and that was it. Even the beans were spat out
. She's had a few grapes, a bite of cake and some banana (most of which was fed to DH). We'll have the banana on stand by for a 3am hunger cry
but DH and I are full of cold and could do with a decent nights sleep.
Another dinner refuser here. I ended up doing him toast and he nibbled at one triangle. Putting him to bed now as anticipating another bad night.
DD didn't eat much for tea either, and she normally puts her brothers to shame (& makes me worry I'm over-feeding her!). Nothing of the roast, a bit of ice cream and that was it.
Don't expect her to wake though, just pack away a huge breakfast tomorrow, lol 
No food refusing here this weekend (last weekend was a different story...) - DD has been a human dustbin! I fear she has inherited my appetite!
Is everybody apart from me forecast snow tonight?
I want some!
Erm, that was meant to be a jealous face and not a green heart. Damn the app!
New name by the way 
You can have our snow. I hate it.
Dh home and drunk but bearable. Took two hours to settle A. Been into S once. Have left S' monitor with DH. Night for now.
Night Kitty - fingers crossed for a better night for you all.
And here I am with A who normally goes to 3/4...
I'm still up kitty! Insomnia's kicked in again!!
Well A slept thru from his midnight feast. Whoop. And S slept thru too. Hurrah. Did you get some sleep fizz?
I could have joined in the up-at-stupid-o'clock-athon if I had known!
Glad you all got some sleep Kitty
We woke up to some snow this morning. No guesses what the boys and I will be up to this morning 
A's had his injections. He was very brave. Only cried when the needles went in. Stopped when I cuddled him after.
Slept from 1 until DHs alarm went off at 6.30, dozed until 7ish when B demanded attention! We've been to the shopping centre, the bank, bought new shoes (for b), visited the baby change in Debenhams where I left the most god awful nappy in the bin. Then quick stop at the opticians and home! B was on his backpack reins the whole time so he is knackered now <evil laugh> so I should get peace to have lunch and tidy up a bit!
My brother is taking his new(ish) girlfriend down for the weekend and they are sitting for us on Saturday so we can go out for valentines. I sincerely hope he is taking her out on Thursday, as this is their first valentines together. Have np et her a few times and she seems really lovely. Much nicer than the last one! B goes all bashful and shy when he sees he, so we might have a lady killer on our hands!
Good to hear you had a better night Kitty, and gold star for the brave soldier!
All this talk of new babies is making me broody ..........
It's half term so no school run 
DS has come down with a bad case of tonsillitis 
Snow, what snow? We had 1, yes that's 1 day of measly not enough to build a snowman snow last month and that's been our lot.
<<joins star/20th in the snow
>>
Where you going sat fizz?
Oh no gys.
A has pood twice and been sick. Don't think it's cos of the injections. He howled in his bath which he usually enjoys.... That could have been cos of the injections.
Dh and I had a lovely pub lunch today.
Eugh. Full of cold and feel sick. A was in with me last night. S is crying just cos I'm not ready to go downstairs yet! Going to be a wonderful day.
Make sure you go out today kitty. Even if it's for a walk around the block, the fresh air helps everyone. I know that's the sort of thing your mum would say, but I do think there's some truth in it. And if the walk takes you past a cake shop, well that's even better!
Maybe there's something in the air? Ds3 has been a whinge bag since he woke up. I think he woke up too early which is why he is whingey. Hopefully our music group will take his mind of it. Or of course he'll have a complete meltdown in front of everyone. I know where my money is ..........
Has anyone stayed in Brittany? We're thinking of going there on our hols. Any recommendations for places to visit and stay?
Can I join in with food refusing and crap sleep please! R is being a nightmare just now, we're back to 5.30/6am waking and eating next to nothing - aaagghh!!
She is loving fruit as well though Fizz how odd! She's getting more and more vocal now which just makes it all the more frustrating as we get "no like it" and "no way! no eat it" She's even started refusing petit filous on the grounds that they are not 'Thomas and friends' yoghurts which I think MIL has been giving her!!!
MIL is in the bad books anyway after her terrible reaction to new baby news. She basically said "oh, didn't think you'd ever be going down that road again?!" umm, why?? And then topped off with "well congratulations, if it's what you really want." WTF?? I was furious. Needless to say she won't be top of my list to send pics of my scan to.
Speaking of which, scan is today!! Yay! Was originally going to be next week when I was 13 weeks but I begged for a cancellation and luckily they phoned me yesterday with one. Only bad thing is it's too short notice for DP to come so my mum is coming instead. Will post a pic on fb page later for you all to see. 
Oh no kitty that sounds utterly poo.
I'm joining the lot on the unwell bench. DS was up allll night and just wanted DH but we had to take it in turns. He's currently BFing while watching Tangled.
Exciting mrsw. Can't wait to see it 
Eugh to all of us amd our icclies poorly sick.
A just had his first taste of baby rice. Went well.
Hello <passes out anti virals, anti sickness and anti illing hugs>
B has had some interesting nappies! Look away now if you are eatng or feeling queasy.
They smell cheesy <boak>is that normal?? It's not I know, but he is fine otherwise.
Not sure what we will do on Saturday with our pass, noting on in the flicks, and we have both started our diets this week so dinner is out. Might check the theatre and see what's on.
Just working on choir stuff again! Rolling in the deep! Love it! We've gone modern after the abba fest last year. Looking like our set will be One day like this - elbo, spectrum - Florence and the machine, Titanium - David Guetta and Paradise - Coldplay! We are getting a trip to London in July to perform at the summer BBQ thing down there. Anyone near osterley and fancies coming as my guests let me know! Ashley might be there again! 
Went to co op. bought smartie cookies
... And mini eggs...and creme egg splats... And 'nice' biscuits!!
Still got a food refusing whingey toddler here. She didn't sleep brilliantly last night either and I'm knackered even though it was DH who actually got out of bed
. Like kitty I've bought supplies, mine is a danish pastry and I'm enjoying some quiet time while M naps 
Anyone got any good toddler meal ideas? or easy whole family meals? I'm going to consult the Rivery Cottage baby and toddler book in a bit but all suggestions welcome - she won't eat rice, but i keep trying. Seems to like carrots, peas and baked beans, not really much other veg but will obviously eat anything put in front of her at nursery
. Tonight I'm going to try chicken, and some veg in pitta. Might add some cream and a tiny bit of pesto...
I did the mumsnet pesto spaghetti the other day. It says bacon but ham would be fine. Cook spaghetti. Fry bacon if using. Put peas I with spaghetti 3 mins before it is cooked. Drain spaghetti and peas mix in bacon or ham and stir in some pesto.
Tuna pasta? We have a pasta monster.
Frak I was skim reading and read your post as "DH is now breadtfeeding DS Whilst watching Tangled. 
Get well wishes to all, I'm off to try and pour some AB'S into DS.
Bloody auto correct, Breadtfeeding indeed.
Ds2 and I love Tangled. Flower,gleam and glow. Let your power shine ....
I hope everyone's germs are on their way out.
Spaghetti Bol is always a winner in this house. I make the ragu with a shed load of grated celery, carrot, mushrooms, garlic and onion (grated in the food processor), tinned toms and beef and pork mince. It's always a winner and it is packed full of veg. I make a vat of it and freeze it.
Saying that, that is probably one of the few hot meals ds3 will really tuck into. He would prefer to eat little bits of finger foods rather than a plateful of one meal. His favourite finger foods are: cold sausages, ham, chorizo, cucumber, cheese, blueberries, apricots, hummus, grated carrot, grapes, chopped banana (sometimes with a smear of peanut butter on), sliced or grated apple. Have you tried hummus and grated carrot sandwiches? They go down well here. carbs, protein and veg in one sandwich - what's not to like. Also cheddar and grated apple sandwiches are tasty.
Well she ate a little of the pitta with chicken and veg tonight but really went for the pitta and hummous. Will try the grated carrot when we have some. Can't see cheese and apple working - she doesn't seem to like uncooked cheese (other than boursin) though I do keep offering. Spag bol goes down well, as does lasagne. She also eats a fennel, onion and sausage pasta sauce i make which I can imagine lots of adults not being keen on
. I really think it's time to expand my pasta sauce recipes as pasta is the one thing she really does like (it's a really bad day when that gets refused).
We had pea and pancetta (bacon lardons) risotto tonight. Very successful! I am beginning to see a pattern in him wolfing down things that may have a bit too much salt! 
Miserable food refuser here too.....all coldy and molars coming through too, I think, poor lamb. He's fine at nursery all day then just comes home and loses it! Not great sleep last night either. Sigh..... Pasta Bolognese gets wolfed down normally, as does pasta with cheese and broccoli, pasta with ham and tomato, well, with anything really! I also make and freeze vats of potato, parsnip and carrot mash which I then bung tuna into or left over chicken. Quick and easy is my motto, and leave the posh food to nursery!!
We had that last night fizz!
Galettes and crepes tonight - refused - but ate half a kiwi. He's feeling crap though.
My backup recipe is pasta + large spoonful of crème fraîche + tsp mustard + peas (+ ham/lardons/bacon bits) - always a hit.
DD love fish - baked fish and mash, fish pie, fish pate. Fish anything really. Mackerel, salmon, haddock, sea bass and sole have all been gratefully received!
Chilli and spag bol normally go down well too. Stews tend to be my fall back dish for her - lamb, chicken and beef are good. The meat flakes up when it's been slow cooked, so they're easy to eat and they contain loads of veg.
There's a nice lamb curry in the River Cottage book GreenFirefly - that's normally a hit for all of us, although I add more heat for DH and I. The baked fish with winter tomato sauce is also a winner. Might be worth a try? Have you tried cous cous instead of rice? DD likes rice but seems to like cous cous even more.
Pancakes tonight. YUM!
Am now officially half woman, half pancake.....
All pancake here. I feel sick...
No pancakes here. I feel sick. 
You OK fizz?
I'm fine, was just feeling awful last night, like I'd been hit by a train. But I'm fine now!
Early valentine steak for tea tonight! Now watching Man U - Real Madrid with dh!
I really shouldn't watch DIY SOS... Does restore my faith in mankind though.
Ugh worst night ever!! R woke up at 3.30am and would NOT go back down! DP went into her first and I could hear her screaming "no way daddy, no sleep, no tired" We left her til 4am but she was stil screaming so I went through and tried to calm her but made no difference so in the end I had to take her from the cot and lie with her in DSS's bed (he wasn't in it obv) she fell asleep almost instantly!? WTF?? I stayed there with her rather than risk transferring her back to the cot. She woke again at 5am until half past and then slept again til 7am. I on the other hand have had about 2 broken hours since 3.30!! Sharing a single bed with a fidgety almost 2 year old is not ideal. I'm working today too 1-9
Could cry. Oh and somehow I've also woken up with the cold...aaarrgghhh!!
Oh and happy valentines day everyone 
And to you MrsWajs 
Hope you made it through work ok, some nights are just a write off, the trick is somehow not to get too depressed about the timing - which is always awful - and just get to bed asap the next night.
Easier said than done, I'm a real doom merchant in the dark.
DD was puking lots but kept tea down last night, kept breakfast down, all seemed fine, headed out to Jo Jingles & her hosp appointment to check her wandering eyes (another appt in a year, sigh). Came home, had some lunch, napped. Then threw up when I gave her a snack.
Think it is just because she's got such a sensitive gag reflex now.
So went out to McDs with her & the boys for tea (late pick up for DS1 so it's easier), she ate fine, came home, then threw up everything when she tried to eat a cake.
Lots of laundry, and God knows if she's still actually ill....anyway she's crying at bedtime which is unheard of for her. Luckily for me she's asking for Daddy (
)
That's a lot of puke JKS, I hope she feels better soon.
I hope your shift goes well mrsW and I hope you get a good nights sleep when you get home. Early pregnancy and little sleep is an evil combination.
DH is currently cooking us a Valentines meal, it smells lovely. My present to him was a cheese hamper - one of which is heart shaped. I bloody love cheese. Not that I bought it for me of course .........
I'm off out tomorrow night to watch Brendan Cole - am v excited. We then have my niece and nephew staying for a long weekend - I can't wait, they're fab
Oh, what did you buy at Kiddicare kitty ?
Hope dd is ok jks. So many bugs about. We still have the snots and coughs.
Hope u got some sleep mrsw.
I got s a new cup for his bedtime milk. I think we finally have him off the bottle. I said we were going shopping for a new cup as A needed his bottle because he's a baby, but s is a big boy so needs a cup. He actually drank from it so fingers crossed we are done. A has started on baby rice but his feeds are up the swanny cos he's ill. His reflux is worse too. The squawk is back. Also got s new plates. And a step so he can help and see what I'm doing in the kitchen-he fell off it already. Oops. Got a a bottle set with a training cup in it. And bibs for a. And I had a Starbucks.
Poor A and his reflux, that sounds horrid. Is it the food making the reflux worse?
I've been buying up new plates, bowls and cups too. Out with the melamine, in with the ceramic. It has taken me this long
to realise that the boys find it easier to eat off ceramic plate and bowls because they are heavier and don't whizz around the table. I have been scouring eBay for some gorgeous sets. This week I've got Bunnykins and Paddington Bear sets for a song and they are lush. Not that the boys could give two hoots and dh is giving me a
look as to why I don't just let them use our plates. Well I could, but that would be boring!
Your dh sounds like my dh. Didn't think of getting ceramic. Will do so next time. I think its been his cold making his reflux worse and he had avoid night last night so in hoping we are past it now.
It's the cold aggravating the reflux, been docs. My local boots has got probs with their gaviscon supplier 
I saw a thread about the gaviscon thing. Apparently a whole batch had to be chucked so they are behind with the production. GPs are prescribing a milk thickener instead until supplies are back to normal. Maybe speak to you GP about it.
Let me see if I can find the thread?
here it is
Also weird is I thought I'd posted about my bargainous oxo plate and cutlery set I got in the kiddicare sale. With non slip bottom, but it isn't there!
I may be going mad!
Ah thanks fizz that explains it!
Kitty, I can send you a couple of boxes of gaviscon if you need it. F rarely uses it anymore, but the default prescription was for 4 boxes.
I might take you up on that ubw, thanks. A mate has 4 boxes for me. My prescription was only two but I asked for more today. Cheers
Much sympathy on the refluxy coldiness. DS is really suffering
Lasy night was horrific and then tonight we went out and he screamed when we left and was screaming when I got back
Feel like a terrible mother.
You are a wonderful mother frak. Children don't do ill well. How are you feeling?
I'm sure he was fine in between, Frak.
We're attempting the Big Boy Bed tonight. (sides off cotbed) I've moved the chair to the foot of his bed. He's just hopped an elephant up to my shoulder and is attempting to climb over the footboard onto me. We started early, anticipating some hilarity.
Should I just go and leave him to it or keep doing the supernanny back-to-bed routine?
We're fully prepared to put the sides back in at 3am.
Good luck ubw.
I stayed till 7, and have come downstairs. I can hear him pottering around through the ceiling, but the monitor is quiet.
Just heard a big noise, but I'm pretty sure it was next door letting his cats out...
Just found him sitting in the chair emptying a pack of wipes...
and that is why DD is staying in her cot until she goes to high school! Good luck!
There must be something in the water tonight. We are being treated to her full repertoire of songs through he monitor...
Argh I hope not. I have Bombay sapphire and dairy milk. Dh is pissy with me cos I accepted ikea storage toy boxes from a friend without checking with him 'well you've made your mind up' 'the ones we bought were perfect'said sarcastically! I said they were perfect when we had one son on his own in the room. And I flipped out with s in front of my step nan. When I got in from taking her home dh asked if I'm ok and got a teary I don't know I response. This week was better so I really don't know.
Well M is downstairs having refused point blank to sleep but I want dinner. 2 weeks time I'm starting gradual withdrawal.
Well F is finally asleep. About normal time for him, he usually does some extensive cot-roaming anyway. I expected worse, he eventually just stayed in bed, cuddled his bears and went to sleep. I was half expecting to find him asleep in the middle of the floor in a pile of toys.
Hopefully he'll be happy to entertain himself for a bit in the morning. But I won't hold my breath. 
We are on wake up number 3! I think this might be us for the day. Dbro is here, but we didn't go out as B wasn't settling (I wasn't fussed about going out anyway). His bum is red raw with nappy rash. He screams in anticipation of a change. We've gone back to warm water and cotton wool instead of wipes but he hates us touching it. I could cry for him it looks so sore 
kitty you are gong to have good days and bad days through this. Small insignificant things are going to send you up the wall, and someone asking if you are ok is going to make you cry. It doesn't mean the the good days you did have didn't happen, but it does suggest you do need some RL support. Have you seen your HV yet? I really can't express how much of a relief it was to speak to my HV (and you guys of course) that first step is always the hardest, but it is she first step in getting the old you back
((((hugs))))
What Fizz said, Kitty (hugs)
UBW - you're brave!! We have the bed ready for DD but I keep finding excuses to delay the move 
Up here with DS2, 5.50 yesterday & 6 today, which for him isn't bad at all.
I spent yesterday in bed/on the sofa/on the loo with a poorly stomach. It still aches today but hopefully I'll be able to do more.
Though staying in bed until 2pm dozing on and off was rather nice 
Oh no,JKS, sounds rubbish.
I 3rd Fizz, Kitty.
F slept well in the end, but woke up about 4:30. He stayed in bed and dozed, I ignored him till just after 5 (which is nearly normal wake-up time here) but couldn't convince him to go back to sleep.
DH is off mountain biking this morning. I think we'll go and have a sedate pootle on my bike too. Although I foresee mega tantrums from most parties by lunchtime.
Morning, how was everyone's weekend? Did the sleep fairies come last night?
I need to tell someone this and I'm not telling anyone IRL. I bought the Paul McKenna gastric band book and listened to the hypno bit last night. I feel fantastic today. I slept like the proverbial baby (we all know that baby doesn't exist) I feel like a weight <boom boom> has lifted. I've been in a bit of a fug recently, dark night dark mornings probably, but the snowdrops are out and that made me
, spring is coming.
I am sceptical that listening to a voice can make me lose weight, but if listening to it can make me feel like this then I'm happy!
Whatever works, Fizz.....So glad it's given you such a lift - and the sun and the snowdrops are so gorgeous, aren't they? Unmumsnety hugs. 
That sounds great fizz. As do you 
Fizz.
I've used his 'I can help you sleep' app when I've been having spells of insomnia. I only ever use the sleep trance bit but there's something really calming about it.
No chance of not eating here today. We're having a sponsored bake off in the office and I've been volunteered as our team's Mary Berry. I like cake as much as the next person but am sceptical about being able to eat eight pieces. I'm feeling sick in anticipation!
The snowdrops are out here too. In our local park it was like there was a blanket of them on the ground.
We have had my niece and nephew to stay since Friday. It has been great but I am now knackered! They are off in a few hours, the ds's will be bereft.
Brendan Cole's show was fab. I'm not a particular fan of his, but he does put on a good show. A local girl was one of the dancers so the atmosphere in the theatre was great.
I now feel inspired to bake 20th, enjoy the cake testing 
Come on, Fizz, how many of us did hypnobirthing?! There's definitely something in it, and if it's making you feel good and it's not crack! then even better
It's half term, it's sunny, and we're having our laminate put in downstairs! Fortunately, a toddler group was on so we've been out this morning.
We're now having a picnic lunch up on the landing. Hoping F will have a sleep soon.
<arf> its definitely not crack! I know there must be something in it! I didn't do hypnobirthing, but I sort of wish I had! I'm getting more and more "new age" in my old age! I might just go and get patuli oil and braid my hair for full hippy effect!
Sun is out here again! It definitely part of my good humour too!
Advance apologies for yet another me me me post. I've just had a massive meltdown. Alex has new restless today. Went lakeside with my dsil. He cried on and off. And now he hasn't slept since 230 and won't and its toolset now cos ill put him to bed at 7. I've never screamed like it in my life. He was in his cot. It wasn't at him. I just screamed and cried. Now he's falling asleep in my arms. Grrr. We are both snotty and huffy. Why didn't I believe anyone when they said i would have my work cut out? An old (ER) lady looked at me and pointed at him crying today and I had to ignore her or I would have screamed at her. Now my throat hurts from screaming. I don't think dh is getting me either. I will call the hv.
Oh kitty, are you on your own or is DH there? If dh is there, pass all responsibility for bedtime onto him tonight. Can you get out the house, a walk or a drive?
If dh isn't there, call him and get him home, you need him more than whatever or wherever he is.
I'm here so keep posting if you need to. Or message me on FB. Xxx
Also mostly here.
Sometimes you need to scream or cry just from sheer frustration. It's not you, it's not them, it's the alignment if the stars or something and it just all gets too much.
<big hugs>
Thanks as always ladies. Bed time here. Not holding out hope for a has he's only been awake an hour.
Hugs from here too.
Been there, nuff said.
M slept on the way home from the zoo, so was up chatting for ages, think she's gone quiet now <hopeful>
Oh hugs Kitty It's really not easy when you feel that way, just keep talking to us if it helps 
Fizz The sun was making me happy today too, in fact I got really nostalgic and a little bit emotional about my front doorstep!! I know that's very
but whenever it's sunny the sun shines right on to the front of our house and it just brings back lots of happy memories of sitting out there when R was little and also before she was ever around when DP nad I would sit out at night drinking until the sun went down! Gone are the days haha!! I'm now a little sad that we'll have to move house now because of the bean and we won't have anymore front doorstep memories!
Sleep continues to be up the spout here. After Wednesdays terrible night it got worse!! She slept VERY well at my mums on Thursday night (typical) and on Friday I think we had a 6am wake up (reasonable) On saturday night I do not know what happened but she was awake at 2.30, 4.15 (came in with us then) and up for the day at 5.45!!!! DP and I both fell asleep on the sofa at 9pm last night. This morning was 5.15am
I am struggling tbh, I'm not meant to be surviving on newborn levels of sleep for another 6 months yet!!
Second scan is tomorrow so hopefully will get NT measurements and a firm date this time!
{{kitty}}
Does it help if I tell you that I have repeatedly punched the mattress out of sheer frustration in the early months of ds3? I've also shut myself away in my bedroom for 5 minutes to have a cry while the boys were rampaging downstairs.
Sounds like you need to speak to your dh and you need to be very honest about how you are feeling about everything. No holds barred, totally honest. He needs to understand so he can play his part in helping and being part of the solution.
It does ilike. I did that earlier!!
My baby slept through the night
but he didn't wake for boob. Don't think he gets enough from me now. He had an extra bottle at bed time and that's what's helped I think, that and the baby rice, and sweet potato and carrot!
Yey for sleep!!!
Whoop! That's great Kitty. How are you doing today? 
I have a dilemma. My ideal job has come up at work, but full time. As much as I hope they would still consider me even if I wanted to work part time, I have been overlooked twice before, when I am more than qualified. It's only a 9 month secondment, but would get me enough experience to open up many more doors and opportunities. B loves the CM and cries when I pick him up, so I'm not apprehensive about that. I'm not sure what it is stopping me, taking that big jump to full time shouldn't scare me, but I think it does. Then I add in us going for number 2 later in the year. Although it would give me mat pay of a full timer if I went off within the secondment. I need to decide so as the closing date is Friday! Dh is inboard, but he's about to be promoted and that will involve him having less flexible hours. Oh I don't know .............. 
Oh fizz. I say go for it and worry about the logistics If you get it?
I took a and s to the inlaws and cried when dfil asked how I am! They were v supportive and praised me on how I've coped.
I agree, go for it, you never know what might happen, how things might work out. But you will probably regret it if you don't try.
Kitty - they sounds lovely, I hope they are. Sometimes it's the simplest question that can set you off. A simple 'how are you?' can easily tip you over.
Fizz, I agree with the others - go for it. Even though I know I probably wouldn't 
My turn for a rant.... M has eaten bugger all tonight. Put a dish of noodles in front of her, just like DH and I were having and she immediately picked it up to give it me back. Wouldn't even try it. Then wouldn't eat anything else (had done some pitta bread in preparation for refusal), also refused beans. Ate yogurt as always and that was it really.
And then there's sleep. I'm getting fed up spending most of my afternoon plodding the streets trying to get her off for a nap. It's taking most of an hour now - she still needs it as she'll sleep for 2 hours then, though I don't let her sleep after 4ish so it ends up being just over an hour which probably isn't long enough. And now it's bedtime and we're still trying to get her to sleep now - another 3/4 of an hour so far with her pissing about in the cot wanting cloths and blankets laid over her. How I wish for one of those babies you can kiss, say goodnight to and leave. If we leave before she's asleep she'll howl 
10 hours (at most) at night really isn't enough at this age is it? (or for me at 35).
It's going to be a bad night - she'll wake hungry and because she refused to go in the sleeping bag she'll probably get cold wriggling from under the duvet.
Well, I don't know your DD so I can't say for sure but...
1) food, chill. she'll eat when she's hungry. All kids seem to go some meals when they don't eat anything really (though she did have the yoghurt and that's probably all she wanted). We wouldn't do it as adults (or would we? how many of us actually eat breakfast?? I know I hardly ever do) but they do as kids. You can worry or you can put the food in front of them, if they say no, shrug and say ok, then. It's taken me 3 DC and a serious-head-against-the-wall DS2 who is as stubborn as a mule + SN in the mix. He spent years only eating certain foods, then all of a sudden rejecting them out of hand. DD"s efforts in comparison are, well, pathetic 
Also, you mention preparing an alternative ready for her refusal. Don't. If you need to find an alternative, make it bread & butter. Old fashioned but it works for my DC. It's plain if they're fancying something plain/feeling a bit off & boring so not tempting in the future.
2) Sleep. Well, as horrid as it sounds, you need to either a) get tough or b) accept that naptimes may be at an end.....Neither are nice I accept.
I hated when DS1 started dropping his naps. I'm sort of torn with DD. I love my quiet times after lunch but then the freedom of no naps will be lovely too.
Recently DD is resisting falling asleep for naptimes too and can manage a day without a nap, if we're out for e.g. Today she shouted/chatted for ages, went quiet about when I'd prefer her to be getting up & I had to wake her at 4 to avoid bedtime trouble.
I can see we're approaching the end of naps. When that happens I'll move her into a bed which will involve moving furniture & having a clearout - I sort of want that to happen and don't at the same time.
I may have had
so apologies if a little blunt....
Thanks JKS. I kind of agree with the food thing. I just dread the night time hungry wake up that often follows, though last week when she didn't eat she slept through
. We're going through a bad sleep patch at the moment anyway so are trying not to make it worse. It's not unknown to have 3am banana at the ready. Beans are the usual fall back so I was suprised when they were declined (don't tend to have bread to hand --as I'd eat too much--). Think she's just testing boundaries.
I really don't think she's ready to drop the nap. She sleeps even worse at night without it (can you see a theme here).
After a big sob chat with DH tonight I'm going to try getting her out for the nap walk earlier tomorrow and see if that helps. Alternatively, I'm considering asking nursery to have her a bit longer and letting her nap there giving me time to get home from work and have lunch before picking her up.
Of course DH and I are extra stressed considering house buying and selling stuff and new baby arrival later in the year. So I probably have blown it all up into something bigger than it really is.
And don't torture me with
. I'm abstaining until at least after my scan next week 
Your PILs sound great Kitty! Mine are, well, less so.
Spoke with dh and I think I'm going to apply. Just need to jzuszh up my cv a bit!
I think I'm coming down with a throat thing. My glands are up and my ear is itchy! Rubbish!
Been awake since half 4 ...... Tried to get S back to sleep in our bed which often works but he just couldn't manage it. I was so tired and frustrated that I cried infront of him and got cross which made him all tearful and cross too. I feel like such a failing mess of a mother....
Morning all.
Dishwasher leaked on the brand new laminate overnight. That's why the fitters have nothing to do with moving appliances and leave it to us monkeys to botch it. It's not too bad. <hopefull>
Fizz: apply! You can always decline later.
Firefly: F is no good at tea time, more often than not he'll refuse tea, have a yoghurt and go to bed. I've taken snacks up before but he'd end up running around after his midnight feast. I've started only offering water and cuddles overnight.
I've got nothing on naps. I really sympathise though, it's precious time. Sometimes he naps, sometimes he doesn't. Everyone's always happier if he does!
Kitty, I saw a friend yesterday at a similar stage to you. Her joy at having her toddler at nursery yesterday was amazing! You're doing so well. x
Ouch @ 4.30am Daisy. anyone would react like you did, I know I would. Don't bet yourself up about it.
{{kitty}} - if you're anything like me you can't take compliments very well and then someone being nice to you when you are feeling emotionally fragile is enough to make you cry. Your PIL's sound lovely. Do you think they would look after one or both of the boys once a week while you are on ML?
Go for it Fizz, get jzusch'ing!
green whenever I am in a position like you, I sit down and make a plan. I think about how I would like things to be and make sure they are doable. From what you say, your issues are: naps, dinner and nighttime sleep. Tackle one at a time. I find starting off with the easiest first is better for moral! Some ideas that spring to mind are:
Are you serving dinner too late for dd? If they've gone past the point of hunger they'll do the food refuse thing. Maybe try a big lunch then sandwiches about 4.45?
If you don't think that's the problem then she's either not hungry or it's a control thing. A good friend told me this and it has always stuck with me 'young children can only control 2 things. What goes in them and what comes out of them.' What are two of the most talked about topics on the chat boards? Potty training and food ishoos!
Stop offering food in the night. If she knows she can refuse her dinner and still have something to eat in the night, then she'll carry on not eating her dinner. her body will also get used to having something in the night - much like we get used to having breakfast, lunch and dinner.
When you tackle the nighttime sleep. Either take a couple of days holiday either side of a weekend or start on a Friday night so you can rest in the daytime if needs be.
If you tackle it an issue at a time it is more manageable and often the issues are intertwined so they have a positive knock on effect. You'll all get there, it just takes time and a few tears (probably from all of you!)
I think I'll take the boys off to a local farm shop/small holding this morning. I have zero energy which isn't particularly helpful.
Green-some good advice there. S also sleeps worse if he doesn't nap!
When's your scan? Exciting.
Fizz-eek. Hope you're not feeling too rubbish.
Daisy-ouch. Matchsticks and coffee today!!
Ubw-pants re dishwasher. I can imagine. I feel so guilty cos he's not actually that difficult. Pushing and testing the boundaries like the rest of them.
Ilike-they suggested doing it more ahead of my return to work, and they are having them on 5th for me so I can go and meet a work mate for lunch. I just want to make the most of them before I go back at the start of April.
A slept through the night again. I was down to only feeding boob if he wakes so I have a huge uncomfortable left boob today. I tried feeding him some after his bottle but he wasn't interested. S still wakes most nights. He has a big tooth coming through so I hope it's that and we aren't doomed.
Can't remember if I said we are putting the boys in together tomorrow. I'm going to ask Sam to help me move the crib into his room as he loves helping and it will make him feel involved. (Crib is on wheels). Wish us luck. I'm excited and scared. I get my room back but my last baby is leaving my bedside. The boys will love sharing as they grow but also nights could be awful.
Thanks, guys. Feeling greatly improved after a very tasty pear crumble at school lunch.....
Anyone care to guess what happened last night? Yep, she slept through
. Not that I did (damn the 4am toilet trip). And took her out for the nap walk today and she was asleep within 30 minutes, though I did set out earlier. Maybe she gets overtired and takes longer then. She'll probably wolf down fishfingers and beans for tea too.
Anyhow, I'm celebrating with
and a danish.
ILike thanks for the advice. I don't think we're eating too late for her - it's generally 5.30-6pm after she's woken from her nap at 4 and had a bit of a snack. I'm beginning to think fussy eaters are born, not made as she's always been given what DH and I are having, though she has clear favourites - tomato pasta based things generally. I was just so disappointed at her not even tasting it last night (I realise I sound like my mum).
As for naps - I really should be glad it forces me out for a walk, as it's good exercise. I just feel it's a bit of a bind sometimes.
And nighttime sleep isn't that bad - DH has been making out it is (though he's the one that gets up to her first now) but she generally sleeps through, with an occasional single wake up and she can self settle most of the time as long as we're (DH actually) is sat by the cot. We do need to get bedtime routine back to it's earlier time as it's been creeping later and later.
Daisy, hope you're doing OK - 4.30am - urggh! 
Kitty, good luck with the boys in together. I think you're doing a fab job coping with two and I'm sure I'll be asking for lots of advice come September.
I've applied! Sounded out CM at pick up and she would have him full time no problem! I think she might almost love him as much as I do! 
We have several unexplained ouchies! The cm asked me how he did them and i honestly dont know! A big slice across his palm that could be a paper cut from his new book, and a big bruise on his leg. It's about the heigh of the side table in the living room so he could have bumped into that during one of his runs
. I'm beginning to think he can't walk anywhere! Only run.
I feel rubbish, feverish and yucky, I'm planning on handing over to dh when he comes in and going to bed.
B has just hurled his dinner across the living room and as I went to get kitchen roll he pulled the lid off his tippy cup and emptied it on the floor too! 10 mins til dh home!
Oh god. Not what you need when you feel like poo.
I am going round my mates tonight. He's cooking spag Bol and I'm hoping we will watch the Michael mac DVD I bought him for his birthday.
Blimey, Fizz! How can he get the top off the cup. I hate those things, I always soak myself putting the lid on/off.
Argh. S awake twice. A has been sick coughing and I'm having to feed him. I've been up an hour. No doubt s will be up soon.
Rubbish kitty, have a nap when they do at lunchtime. Did you watch the MM DVD last night?
How are you feeling fizz? fingers crossed the early night sorted you out.
Today is messy play day at the community centre - hurrah! The theme Is potions. Ds2 is beyond excited about it and ds3 will come back with his clothes covered in lord knows what. He bimbles from activity to activity getting as filthy as humanly possible.
Have a good day Aprilites 
Hi. No we watched alan Carr instead. It was hilarious. I laughed a lot, amd ate an indecent amount of tiramisu!
Hehe. Sounds like messy fun!
Ps we have moved A's crib into S's room.
UBW he has my tenacity and strong teeth! My party trick used to be opening beer bottles with my teeth! His is doing the same only with tommee tippee cups!! If he starts challenging us to down pints of milk, we might have a problem!
Working week is over! Still feel rubbish, but I have choir tonight. People better turn up or I will be hacked off.
Heading north tomorrow for my friends birthday. I am not planning on a repeat of my escapades a few weeks ago, but its a at the gold club that sells big measure for small money! A lethal combination!
Have a great time fizz
It's our first Aprilites 2nd birthday. Happy birthday Conor!
Happy Birthday Conor 
happy birthday conor.
DD is currently having a stop because she can't physically hold 6 happyland people at once
They get annoyed over the silliest things don't they.
Oh yes they do!!
So A has woken with a black eye. We had to go into him about 4 times last, and after the nappies I had yesterday I suspect he's got teeth coming. I reckon he may have head butted the crib? Just as well aware extending the 'Austin powers' crib to cot size today. Poor thing. He likes to pull himself to the top and put his head against the bumper.
There is also the possibility he did it head butting me... He does this often... Like just now for example.
Kitty, did you see your HV yet?
I've not posted on the april babies thread before but DD2 was born 2/4/11 so the thread caught my eye.
The way you describe how you are feeling could've been me when DD2 was 4 months
. I put up with it (and DH and DD1 did too) for months before getting help. My HV sent me to the docs and she explained that I needed to take care of myself (my scores on that questionnaire were pretty bad). I have been taking a low dose of SSRIs for just over a year and I'm now in the process of coming off them. It changed my life. Two little kids is still hard work but I spend a lot less time crying and shouting!
You sound lovely and I hope you find the right support for you 
Hello and welcome msbossy 
We are a lovely bunch even if I do say so myself, and you sound lovely too. I haven't seen the hv yet. I keep putting it off after a few good days. I've talked to dh and some close rl friends and that really helped too. I'm glad you are coming through it. Tell us about yourself...how old is dd1?
Hello msbossy! The story I am about to tell is not a regular occurrence, although is may seem like it after my night out a couple of weeks ago! But it isn't! I am practically a nun usually!
Line dancing ladies night with my mum last night! I dusted off my killer heels. Killer being the important word here! Played bingo (rock and roll) took part in the longest ever raffle where the white a green tickets were so close in colour women were fighting over the prizes. Star prize was a half stone of fish from a local monger!
I won a wreath of chocolates! It weighs about half stone!
Jd was had, dancing was done, I avoided the buffet as I wouldn't be able to follow the 4 rules of Paul McKenna. Got home to my mums, killer heels intact. Just finished saying, I can't believe I still have these shoes on, when Sod's law struck. Arse over tit outside mums neighbours house. I have a scraped knee but more worryingly I can't put any weight on my left foot!
I'm a doofus.
Ooooo fizz. Rest up. And send me chocs pls. Sounds like a good night.
Oh my goodness. A wreath of chocolates sounds amazing...and possibly worth spraining an ankle for. Mmmmm!
We're having a crappy weekend. DD is full of something and we've all had no sleep. DH and I have been snapping at each other and DD is just feeling sorry for herself. Urgh.
Hello mrsbossy - welcome 
Hello MrsBossy.
Well done on the injury, Fizz! I am impressed!
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20th, sorry to hear your having a tough one. Hope you're all feeling better soon.
F is being a terror this evening. He's refused tea again, and didn't eat much for lunch either. He's been flinging his tea around, and generally being unpleasant. He's developed a really entitled/indulged "no" whine and scream. It's infuriating. He's currently refusing to lie down and is breaking books and throwing toys around.
We picked up a multivitamin for him today, since he seems intent on surviving on only breakfast and biscuits. Hopefully that'll do something for him.
Think I'm going to have to eat a whole packet of chocolate digestives...
Aaaaaaaaaaaargh. S woke A up. A won't go back to sleep even with an alcohol fuelled boob. I want my cosy bed.
Feeling your pain Kitty. I'm up too. DD is boiling and medicine isn't bringing her temp down. No sleep here either 
Hugs twentieth. I've handed over to dh cos I was losing patience but still can't sleep.
I can't sleep either now. Hope you get some shut eye in the end.
How were the choc digestives UBW? 
commiserations to those with poorly and non sleeping children 
How's the ankle fizz? I have no stamina with heels anymore. I can't believe I used to wear them day in day out and find them perfectly comfortable. Now they feel like torture <old fart emoticon>
Not much going on here today. It's flipping freezing though. I love winter, but the cold is wearing a bit thin now. Roll on Birkenstock weather .....
Dh got him settled. And got up with them both so I'm just getting up. I keep having strange dreams / nightmares so I'm not sleeping great. Feel a bit eugh this morning. Hope its just hunger. I HATE being cold and it was freezing last night.
Did you get any sleep 20th? How is the lo now?
Impressive bruise has appeared! And I can sort of walk on it without excruciating pain. Still painful enough to have dh run around after me!!
No more sleep after my last update
and am currently sat by her cot trying to get her to bed. Normally we just pop her in the cot and leave her too it. I'm not hopeful about tonight either...
Can't remember if I mentioned that this is my namechange? I will update the Facebook list later.
You did 20th! I think you have updated the doc too already! Or was that firefly?
I'm confused! Not difficult!
I forgot to say earlier, the chocolate wreath was made by OAPs in a home one of my mums fellow line dancers work in! It's hard work getting to the chocolate if I'm honest! They tied the buggers on tightly?
I've updated the FB doc for me.
DD slept through (finally) again last night but she's being a bugger to get to sleep at the moment. It took over an hour tonight - DH has much more patience than me so I left him to it and ironed his shirts. Fair swap I thought.
She can self settle, but she likes to mess about first for ages. She has just moved out of the sleeping bags and onto a duvet though and she also seems to have stopped breastfeeding (this is day three without any - hoorah!). But doing both together must be a big change for her. I just hope she works out that bed is for sleeping soon as our evenings are non-existant at the moment.
Fingers crossed for another full night (for her - no doubt I'll need a wee at 2am).
Good luck with sleep 20thC hope it's better once she's off.
Ok I'm back on track with who's who!! Apologies!
Oscars on and I'm making inroads on the wreath!
Thanks for birthday wishes for Conor, the little man is two and armed with more diggers, trains, fire engines and general plastic tat than anyone could possibly need.
Hope everyone's doing ok. Sorry for short post. Hope you're managing Kitty, thinking of you. It's SO tough when you can't sleep.
Quick q: has anyone (everyone) taken their LO to the dentist? Am I a Terrible Mother for not doing this yet?
Hi Jo, dd hasn't been to the dentist yet. Can't remember when we started taking the boys - dh takes them as I'm too phobic to be useful. After 3 maybe? Or next time you go take him with you just to get used to it?
Ds3 is going for the first time next week. The dentists only look in their mouth and see what has come through. It's more about getting them used to the dentist environment ime. So if they point blank refuse to open their mouth or even sit in the chair then it really doesn't matter.
I shouldn't be on here, I should be ordering my mums birthday present ......
Took DD about a month ago as she got a gum infection from those blasted eye teeth! Felt a bit negligent that hadn't done it sooner but dentist said not necessary to worry more for getting familiar at this age. Can i add a question? Who brushes their lo's teeth every day? I let DD do it herself (albeit in a very inefficient manor) just don't want it to be an ordeal for her... What's the greater evil??
This is what I don't know Abby. B just chews his toothbrush (we get through quite a few) with dh or I trying to give them a scrub as he wriggles away. My neighbour is a dental nurse and pins her ds down while he screams to brush his teeth, which I do not agree with at all, but she keeps telling me about all the children she has seen in agony with toothache. She also disapproved of him still sometimes getting bedtime milk in his cot to settle. I try not to discuss teeth anymore with her in case she pins me down!
S still has milk at bedtime but in the last two weeks has take a cup at last
I let dd do her own - mostly chewing admittedly but she is getting better. Sometimes if I have time I'll do hers properly.
IMO, and I know people disagree, I prefer they had the habit even if a bit haphazard for now rather than make it an ordeal and them hating it.
That's what I think JKS!
Same here - she does her own while we encourage her to jiggle the toothbrush around. I also manage to forget about teeth cleaning every morning as we're in such a rush by the time we've had breakfast. They get done in the morning at weekends though, and every evening. She's been to the dentist but I'm only on yearly appointments so I don't suppose she'll remember when we go next. Not that the dentist did anything - she wouldn't even open her mouth.
Sadly wasn't a great night of sleep last night 
Scan tomorrow 
We often forget/run out of time in the morning too.
Firefly - good luck with the scan.
Keep meaning to ask, who's LO is in a bed (or cotbed with sides off) so far?
I'm really stalling even though I know DD would love it. But I also value the knowledge of her being 'penned in'
! And she sleeps so well, I don't want to risk it.
And it may be my last baby so I'm dragging my heels I know.
Yep, another one here in the chewing their toothbrush brigade. I console myself that DS was the same and (fingers crossed) no problems discovered by the dentist so far. That reminds me have to rebook his check up as had to cancel it last week due to the tonsillitis.. (FWIW I took him for his 1st checkup just after his 3rd birthday). As ILIKE says its really just to get them used to it.
His 1st visit DS just sat on my lap, and the dentist talked to him and asked him to open his mouth so he could look inside. The 2nd visit he sat in the proper chair and the dentist counted his teeth just using his finger tip. His last visit was his 3rd and the dentist used the little mirror to have a proper look. I still brush his teeth for him, might ask next visit what age they recommend they start to see the hygienist.
BED, hell no,
DS moved out of his sides on cotbed/sleeping bag combo when he was 3.5 and DD needed the cot. Admitedly, he was quite happy in there and didn't move into his new room/bed until he wanted too. He never attempted to climb out either.
DD on the other hand regularly takes her sleeping bag off when she wakes up, I think she will become quite the escape artist 
We're firmly in the cot camp here. She's staying in it for the foreseeable future (well, for as long as she's sleeping well anyway). I'm not sure I can face her clambering around in the night yet either.
We clean DD's teeth here and then let her have a chew afterwards. She mostly lets us get on with it, although we did have a period a few months back when she hated it and cried hysterically at the sight of the toothbrush. DH was great with her - very gently, encouraged her to do it herself etc and she got over it and back on track. She's taken to spitting the toothpaste out with gusto now too 
Good luck tomorrow Firefly 
Ooo another good question! Have been deliberating over the whole cot/bed saga for dd with dh of late and we have 3 flights of stairs- albeit carpeted with railings which she manages very well during the day but still not sure how she would go stumbling out of bed in the wee hours. Had her in bed with me in Australia recently (due to jet lag/ time differences and missing daddy)... She climbed over the top of me and SPLAT!
Fell belly down on the floor... Just instilled my fear of converting to the bed, needless to say she was straight back into the travel cot after that!
Morning.
F's got the sides off now. He takes a while to fall asleep, and roams around a bit, as he did in the cot, but once he's asleep he's good. Over half term he could get up and play for a bit in the morning.
We've got a stair gate at the top of the stairs, and his door is shut (to keep the cat out).
He could have waited, but it seemed like a good idea at the time!
I'm at a&e with my poorly foot. rested it all day Sunday and most of yesterday but back at work today proved all.is.not well.as soon As I walked back and.forth to.the.primter a few times it swelled up and.my toes went numb!
info bar of doom above.the.desk currently places my wait at 2 hours! <bored already>
Poor you Fizz!! If its broken an you end up in plaster can you get home?
Friend of mine drove herself to a & e then was signed off driving, had to get a taxi home and her dh to go back and get car later. Cost a bit!
Am sat in hosp too - ds2's annual appt at gosh. Hope they aren't running too far behind schedule...
been triaged and xrayed alrea dy. they think.is just a sprain.
if needed I can get a taxi. would only be £5 or so. will worry about getting the car back later!
xray lady battered it with a pillow and its really aching now. I want to cry. stupid shoes, stupid pavement, stupid booze and mostly stupid me 
Scan was fine, although I had my dates wrong and we're actually due around 23rd Aug! This meant they couldn't do the nuchal fold measurement so just took bloods. It's all a bit more real now!
Need to get this housemoving thing going now - survey on the house we're buying is being done today. Fingers crossed it doesn't throw up anything unexpected.
So should we say yes or no to a wedding on Aug 3rd which is 2 hours drive away in the middle of nowhere? Considering that M arrived at 37+3 ish weeks? Although I was in labour for 2 days. I've already withdrawn from being bridesmaid at the wedding (good friend, not family).
ooh firefly! how exciting!
I would tentatively accept, but let them know you may not make it. if they need a hard and fast yes or no id say no. if they want you there they'll understand that you might need to call off. if they insist on an answer then they are knobchops and don't deserve the pleasure of your company 
Ouch Fizz, is it defo a sprain?
Good luck at GOSH JKS x
Hurrah for good scan firefly
I would personally go to the wedding as it's a close friend (even though I bloody hate weddings!), but if you don't think it's a good idea then I'm sure your friend will understand. Fingers crossed on the survey.
Both boys are mardy so and so's this arvo. Ds2 is tired and emotional after his first full day back at pre school and ds3 woke up far too early from his nap. Happy days!
That's kind of what I'm thinking Fizz. She was fine about me not being bridesmaid, though she does have about 30 (slight exaggeration) others
and I'm sure she'd be fine about us not being there. I suspect we'll say yes but re-assess nearer the time and keep the car close to hand. It'll be a god chance to see loads of other friends too.
How's your foot? Are you home from A&E yet?
waiting to see nurse practitioner. I thought that was a good sign that it wants broken but the sign in the door says she deals either minor fractures if the foot!
Soft tissue damage. NP said a break would be preferable!
Thanks for that! I've to keep off it and rest it for 3-5 days! Har bloody har!! I'm having
to numb the pain!
That's no fun fizz
with you!
How I'd you get on jks?
Do you get another scan firefly?
Ditto that. Accept but with a warning!
I'm having a similar afternoon ilike. S woke with a strop. New neighbour came to say hi and collect a parcel I had taken in and s started a meltdown when I gave him dinner, I had to ask neighbour to leave. S cried and cried and refused his dinner.eventually got some in him sorting in my chair. Then a three up loads.
It was all very positive 
A long day though; early start, sing and sign, train to London, met dh & drove to gosh, waited...had appt, dropped dh off & drove home in horrid traffic, got drive through McDs but then ds2 had a meltdown as he wanted to go into 'old macdonalds' eventually eating his food on the floor just inside the front door, kids to bed & me to orchestra.
Bed now!
Wow firefly you are now due BEFORE me!! Not sure if i'm keen on queue jumpers!!
Fizz bad luck with the foot. Did they tut and sigh when you said you were drunk? I didn't get much sympathy when i broke my foot in a similar drunken pavement related incident AND i had my heels off!!
Sorry been awol recently am perma-tired just now with work and R the stroppy non-sleeping, non-eating child! There is no way on earth she is going into a big bed just yet!!
Glad everyone's bopping along ok, give or take poorly ankles & busy days.
What is it with these children and eating/sleeping?! Too tired to eat half the time and too hungry to sleep the other. It's baffling!
or
for those in need. 
Morning all- i have had no luck getting birthday ideas on another thread so wondering if any if you are planning a party for our big 2 year old babies? And if so anyone keen to share their ideas? My niece turned 2 in december and had a rainbow themed party, and a friend made a train out if cardboard boxes for her DS with noise makers hanging from different places around the garden (bells from a tree etc) would love to hear some original ideas! 
Ours not very original. We are going to have a party at one those kids play places.trying out party man onfriday.
Confess to having not thought about it at all yet!
We just did birthday lunch for grandparents, and local aunty and cousins. It was lovely and C had a great day. I decided to leave a Proper Party until he's a bit older and can appreciate it more. Less work for me!
Good to hear that I haven't been missing regular dentist appointments. I'll book in a starter one when I go next. I have taken to giving Conor's teeth a brush myself after his bath. If I sit him in front of the sink and let him play with the water then he lets me give them a reasonable brush. He sometimes does them himself in the morning (only ever sucks the toothpaste off the brush) but it depends how rushed we are.
Still in a cot and there's no way I'm thinking about a bed until I have to. No way.
Congrats on scan firefly, so so exciting. Good luck on the house, before you know it it will all be over. I'd say no to the wedding, watching everyone else get trollied while you sit nursing an orange juice with massive ankles. Nah.
Poor Fizz, hope you are managing to get some rest.
Hope you're doing ok too MrsW, sometimes when C is a nightmare I wonder how the hell anyone does this while pregnant or with a new baby. Respect.
Dropped Conor off in the 2yrs and over room this morning. I could still hear him crying "mum-eeeeeeeeeeeeee"as I left. Poor little mite.
Hi to everyone else.
We're having family round and doing a BBQ. If the weather is cold or raining we'll be eating our burgers and sausages inside! Ds3 is having a joint party with MIL. It's her 60th the week before ds's and as FIL has done fuck all about arranging anything to celebrate she's sort of hijacked ds's birthday
I'm not quite sure how I feel about it, I think I best not think about it or I'll get cross. MIL is lovely really so I feel I can't get annoyed about it.
Sounds lovely... Missing my family back home 
I just had a look on pintinterest today and have decided on a theme (barnyard) thinking of going all out with a few animals to pet, gingham bunting etc... Probably a bit ott but no more babies for us right now so this is a momentous day- our little baby is turning into a little girl... And i confess i am not finding it easy to accept! Seems like the whole world is pregnant at the moment! Lol
P.s. iliketomove- kind of hard when that choice is taken away from you i'm sure- but i would love to have any family share the day... I suppose thats easy for me to say though 
Sorry for queue jumping MrsW, I must say I was surprised how out I was
. I hope the sleep improves for you. Maybe she is getting you ready for the newbord stage 
We're having ILs plus DSIL and partner and DBIL and partner up for the birthday weekend. No rest for the wicked...
Bed here. He could climb out the bloody cot and he never slept in it anyway so that wasn't a hugely hard decision. Plus he likes to flail and this enables flailing.
Congrats on the scan firefly! Am I the only nutter still BFing? I don't think M will ever give it up...
Dentist we've done nothing about appointments but we do brush teeth every night. We brush then he has a go, ditto mornings when we can.
The foot sounds painful fizz
Glad there's chocolate to make it better. I'm slightly regretting the killer heels I bought today with intention if wearing them on drunken nights out now. Although it go ohsoslightly tipsy last weekend (4 bottles of wine between 4 girls over 2 hours - can't keep up!) and Sunday morning was Not Pleasant.
You're right Abby, I should be thankful we have family here. I think I feel annoyed about it as I was steamrolled into and not really asked if it was ok. I need to get over myself
Lol @ queue jumping. I remember getting annoyed at people who gave birth before me when their edd's were after mine. How bloody dare they!
The sun is out here today, it's glorious. I feel so much better when the sun is out. The house has been cleaned and aired <saddo>
How' the foot fizz?
ILike - agree about being asked. Only polite really. Also agree about the sunshine, but jealous as we don't have any, yet. <hopeful>
Think I will delay DD moving into a bed for a bit longer then, for some reason I was feeling like it was time. DS1 moved out of the cot at 18months so it was free in advance of DS2 arriving.
DS2 only moved out nearer 3 because he was safest in there when he was seizing.
Have lots I should be doing, going to try and sort Mother's Day flowers online first. Remember to tell your DH/P's what you actually expect to avoid being in the pissed-off-on-Mother's-Day threads 
Sorry i hope i didn't sound like i was saying you are being unreasonable iliketomoveit... I totally understand the steamrolling thing. I guess having family thousands of miles away can have it's advantages too 
Rest appears to be working! That might change tomorrow with b at home!
Morning.
Frak, I'm just in the process of giving up BFing. There's hardly anything left, I keep putting F off & distracting him with cups of milk instead. He was 23mo yesterday.
I'm 32 today. People are going to start expecting me to be a grownup aren't they?
Happy birthday UBW!
Kudos to those still breast feeding our Aprilites. I've now stopped feeding A. Both boys slept through last night. Whoop.
Happy birthday ubw
Happy birthday UBW
I'm pretty sure you don't have to start acting grown up immediately! 
Is 32 the optimum age for grownupedness then!!? I have 6 months! I still feel 19, only with less tolerance for alcohol 
Happy birthday UBW
I'm 37 and still don't feel like a grown up! I'm not sure I ever will. I'm forever 27 in my head.
I have just decorated dh's birthday cake. Gawd, I am shite at decorating cakes. It was only spreading buttercream on a sponge fgs, yet it still looks like ds done it
We're off to Cambridge tomorrow. I heart Cambridge.
Ooh, I'm the same age as you two then. And I'm very grown up dontcha know
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Happy Birthday UBW 
I'm 37 too
my body feels old. Ha
I just turned 38 an some days I feel ancient!
I didn't feel old at 30 but did at my last birthday. Those last two years have taken their toll!
I was about to say you are only as old as the man you feel but seeing as dh will be 39
this year I shall retract that!!
My dh will be 33 in April 
Im 27.... 28 in nov. dh will be 38 in Jul. feeling rather young right now....
You little so and so Kitty!
Bodily I don't really feel any different from my younger self. The aches and pains have yet to set it (long may that last), but my emotional self feels a lot more mature. A lot of that has to do with ds1 but also just the fact of raising children makes me feel more emotionally aware.
That a bit deep for 7am 
I'm 37 and DP is 31 so I even beat Kitty! Generally he's way more mature than me it must be said......
S still in cotbed and will be for as long as possible - bars plus sleeping bag plus cautious nature means escape is pretty much impossible which seems like a good plan to me. 
Recovering after a mad week which saw me in hospital for three days on a drip! Awful virus hit my immune system for six and I ended up with a raging secondary infection in my face. I do not recommend it......so so glad and thankful to be back home with my little family. And massively grateful for our amazing NHS, brilliant care all round.
Goodness daisy how awful. Hope ur feeling much better x
Sorry, should rephrase, on a drip sounds worse than it was, I wasn't on one all the time, they were giving me IV antibiotics and steroids. Still scary enough though! Thanks, Kitty, it's all much better now, enjoying catching up on sleep with all the enforced rest...
DH and I are both 32. Where did everybody find themselves these younger men?! Mind you, he acts like he's DD's age sometimes so maybe I better stick with him!
Cripes Daisy, that sounds awful. Glad you're on the mend now though. I hope that younger man of yours is looking after you ;)
Ladies with tt babies. Did you subsequently suffer with silent reflux and do you have any advice for me? Does it get worse? Dairy allergies? A Is vomming daily. Usually in the morning and evening at bed time. It's lumpy /curdled. He had yoghurt at dinner time... He seems fine with veg purées. And rusk.
Veg purées! Also he's pushing his bottles away which I guess is the pain, and has his first tooth and keeps chewing the teet!
No idea, I'm afraid Kitty.
I need help with F eating.
He eats beautifully with the cm and at nursery, but won't eat a main meal with us.
He might have a mouthful or two, but never a decent amount.
We've been very definitely not making an issue about it. Just kind of saying ok, and leaving him to it. Occasionally giving him a bio yogurt.
Do you have any suggestions? I'm sure the BLW book guaranteed this wouldn't happen - do they do refunds?
it's no wonder he's small. 
Blimey Daisy, that sounds awful. Glad you're on the mend though 
Is TT related to reflux?
Cut the dairy out for a few days? he may have an intolerance to it. Ds3 was always a little bit sick after yoghurts when he was weaning. I cut them out for a few months and Then when he had them again a few months later he was fine.
UBW - don't blame yourself that he is small. That just may be his frame. Trust that he is eating everything that he needs.
do you defo know that he is eating very well at the CM and nursery? Also, what is their definition of 'very well?
Something I often do is put less on the boy's plates. I think sometimes a full plate is overwhelming to them, and then if they do clear their plate (even if it's only a small amount) everyone is happy.
Also both of my boys eat the least amounts for their evening meal. So, I limit drinks in the afternoon (they would rather fuel themselves on squash and milk given the chance), do the small portion on the plate thing and trust that if they hardly eat then they aren't hungry.
I also said this on here not that long ago, but young children can only control two things in their lives. What goes in and what comes out. Both of which can turn into a real power struggle - as you will find out when you start potty training 
I hope some of this helps. Eating, or lack of, is such an emotive issue. It's one of the ways in which we nurture, so when it goes awry it's easy to get upset about it. But like you've been doing, don't make it an issue and it'll come right 
Great post ILike 
We've got a 'coming out' issue here, DD has had bad nappies on and off for a couple of weeks now. I have had an unsettled/poorly stomach & diarrhoea myself too so I'm sure it's the same thing.
I've been wondering if we have Giardia - I've had it before living in Africa but it was a long time ago. All the googling today does make it seem possible but just says it will go away on its own - which is not what i remember from before. Anyone know anything about it?
In between the nappies, DD is fine, eating, sleeping, etc.
Yes, I'm still BF on demand, normally once or twice a day. I never expected it to last this long as DS self-weaned off the BF at about 8 months. I'm not in a hurry to wean DD off, we're not planning on having anymore children so I will make the most of the babes-in-arms experience whilst it lasts.
Age-wise DH is 44, I'll be 36 in May, I went for the more mature
man.
Kitty, DS has TT and suffered reflux, do they often link the two? He eventually grew out of the reflux but he was/still is very picky with his food. I have tried to stop fretting about it and if he wants plain bread rolls in his lunchbox then so be it, at least he eats it most of the time, if I put a filling in 9 times out of 10 the whole thing comes home uneaten. 
I haven't heard of giardia JKS, but your post made me think of cryptosporidium which a friends ds had. If you google it, ignore the bits about HIV (the dangers of googling an illness!)
Don't suppose you have a stool pot handy? Take one of dd's poo's to the GP and suggest they test it. If you go with a poo readily to hand you won't have to do the whole too'ing and Fro'ing to the surgery.
I always think every household should be given wee and stool sample pots for occasions such as these .........
kitty are you making up the bottles according instructions (hot water etc?) and not leaving then over long? That's the most common cause of vom in babies moving to FF. Otherwise cut the yoghurt for a few days and see if it helps.
JKS sounds yuk
hope you get better soon.
I think I'm the youngest still arouns, at 26 with DH nearly 28. Hope you had a good birthday UBW
daisy that sounds really nasty. Glad you were well taken care of. The NH is indeed a wonderful organisation.
Bs nappies are horrendous just now, but we have his back teeth coming in (confirmed by the dentist on Friday), so that's what I am putting it down to.
So, dentist! Why is it every time a "professional" (hairdresser, dentist, dermatologist) wants B to do something, he turns into angel child and let's them do whatever they like to him?? I cannot comb his hair or have a look in his mouth without risking life and limb!
Dentist managed to et a good look in how mouth, confirmed she could see and feel his last back teeth coming through, no decay and commented on how clea his teeth were. So my method of letting him chew a brush for as long as he wants with the odd swipe about from dh or I seems to work! The dentist was very good with him, I cannot abide her, she is always pushing for me to get whitening or something else done that I don't need. This time she tried to sell me a water flossed, because I don't floss right apparently 
I'm still hobbling, still ruddy hurts.
Awful night here. Not long after I posted there was a great big thud and screaming. I have no idea what he did, but took an age to settle, then he would go back in his cot, so I took him in with me, dh went to the spare room as he doesn't co sleep. 1am he pooed and informed me of the fact by sticking his arse in my face. Changed him (blueberries, unpleasant) tried him in this cot, more screaming then pathetic whimpering. Between 1.30 and 6 he spent most of his time trying to get back in the womb. We have an ikea kingsize bed, but I still ended up balancing of the narrowest of strips along the edge, whilst he starfished on the rest!! <yawn>
Excellent post / advice ilike.
Ilike / gys I've read somewhere that tt links to various things.
Frak, thanks. Not exactly followed the instructions so will be stricter. We had a yoghurt free day yesterday but he was still sick at bottle time.
Fizz,
. How's the foot today?
Sorry to jump in here but i feel the need to announce something very exciting to anyone who will hear it (well exciting for me- possibly normal for others with less fussy dc's)
DD just ate 2 whole bananas and 5 strawberries 
I think i might pass out!
That's great Abby! I love it when B eats loads!
I'm very grumpy, a baby names thread is getting me uptight! I need to step away!
Foot not too bad today. I'll be back at work tomorrow so that's the test if its better enough yet.
Chicken pox doing the rounds here 3 kids B is in regular contact with have it. His unsettledness last night added with the mammoth nap he had between 9 and 2 suggests all is not right. Plus he just isn't himself. His bum has broken out again too. But he is eating! So that's something!
We're having a non-nap day here
. I wonder if she had a sneaky one at nursery...
Thing is we're going to soft play straight from nursery tomorrow so perfect for not napping. but she'll probably be tired and fall asleep on the way after today.
Hopefully she'll still eat later as I'm making her favourite pasta.
I think dd is scared of mice. we have them in the house but they seem yo clever for the traps and obviously there are lots of crumbs with dd around. she's just screamed in terror and there is one around now. neither Dh or I are scared by them, just irritated. any idea what we can do to calm dd ?
and now she's fallen asleep in my arms 
Give her one as a pet?
What kind of traps are you. Using?? Neck breakers or humane ones? We started with the humane ones, but got fed up of them eating the bait and still escaping. The mouse man fro the council came, put down poison in the loft and snap traps in the living areas because of B roaming a round we didn't want to risk the poison. Touch wood we have been mouse free for about a year I think. Check your local council, our mouse man did two visits for free.
I think she's a bit young for pets. I don't want to look after one and my track record isn't great (cannibal stick insects).
We've got both humane and snap traps which have been waited with many mouse feasts but they can even take the bait from the snaps
we might rebate with cake this evening. I just hope we don't take them when we move.
Peanut butter is what mouse man used here. Apparently the crack cocaine of the mouse world!
Try chocolate and banana too
Or those plugs that make a noise only mice can hear, drives them mad apparently.
Only thing is put some up and down stairs or they'll just move the the free area.
Good on you by being scared though they terrify me (wuss!)
I could hear our sonic scarer thing (I have weird ears) it drove me potty! Same with the cat scares you get for the garden!
I think I get the award for the oldest Aprilite at (hangs head) 39. GULP.
No good mouse advice here but I think ours went when I finally persuaded DH that they could, in fact, climb into the bucket of dog biscuits that he left uncovered under the stairs. Good luck! Possibly silly advice, but get her a cuddly mouse or stories with mice in. That might help with fear?
Kitty, I have several massive tubs of Aptamil Pepti II left over from when Conor had reflux/CMPI if you want to have a go with a specialist formula I could send you a sealed one to try. I can't recall if you're using formula or not but it's prescription only.
Hope you're feeling better Daisy, the NHS is amazing.
Happy birthday UWB. I don't have much advice re feeding but send sympathy as C can be so similar. He also eats well at nursery (thank god) and I think that's because they just let them get on with it and he just does what the other children do. He's also tiny. I find that he goes in phases, sometimes he seems to exist on air, sometimes he'll be great. If he doesn't eat much for tea I'll give him toast and milk before bed. I just try to offer food now and again during the day so that if he is hungry he'll eat. It can be very stressful for you, I agree.
Fizz hope you have a better day today and the foot is improving.
Ooh daisy your hospital trip doesn't sound like it was much fun. Hope you're much better now.
<puts hand up> I have a toyboy too!! 
I read somewhere recently greenfirefly that our toddlers can develop irrational fears at this age. Best thing to do is just acknowledge, reassure them and hope it passes.
Ubw R has just come out of a faddy eating phase (couple of weeks) and is now horsing down everything in sight. Could be a growth spurt? Last night at my mums she had belly pork, mash and carrots, then cheesecake, a yogurt & finally 4 cherry toms!! The mind boggles. Last week i was hard pushed to get her to eat a few raisins!
Anybody remember being completely exhausted at 14 weeks pg?? I can't shake this tiredness. I'm sleeping around 8-9 hours a night and still feeling exhausted by about 3pm - not ideal when i'm at work. Might get my bloods checked at work today.
MrsW, I remember leaving the house to go to work at about that time and bursting into tears because I was just so tired. It was horrible. I can't imagine having that level of tiredness and a toddler.
Sleep all you can. You're building a person in there (as well as all the other normal stuff). Not many people are doing that on top of their daily routine!
I forgot to offer my sympathies to Daisy - sounds scary and horrible. Hope you feel better now.
Thanks for the age comparisons! My trouble is, I just don't feel old enough to be this old! But I also am not as old as I feel haggard
And DH is 4 years younger than me! 
F is eating well elsewhere. I use silicone cake cases to separate little portions of things in his lunchbox (bento style). I was thinking of trying a segmented plate for dinners. Do you reckon that might work?
I've started an amazon wishlist for his birthday. I've got from having no idea what to get him to having an insane list of goodies! Oops!
Well i'm now wondering if the cause of the tiredness was me brewing a bug!?
Got sent home from work tonight with a dicky tummy but it seemed to tail off after a couple of hours, so now not sure if it is a bug or if it's just some pregnancy weirdness! Managed to get one of my colleagues to take a blood sample too so will see what that says. She did say my blood was quite dark which is an indication of dehydration so that could be making me tired too. Must drink more!
I've been thinking about a balance bike for B for his birthday. Any thoughts? He has a trike, but can't read the pedals yet and his walker frame thing is not folded down into a little ride on thing and he loves wheeling himself about on it.
He loves the cars at the CMs so I will point people that way. Especially a Mack truck from Cars. We have twice had to return one after he has snaffled it away in his bag! Tea leaf! Lilin akeen (lightning mcqueen) a hit too!
Congrats underwater!
Get well soon daisy
Wish list for DD-
A teepee tent
A mini kitchen
A rocking horse (a proper one)
Other ideas if you haven't got already:
Drawing easel with butcher's paper
Doll house
Sand pit (summer is coming...!!!)
Mini micro scooter (toddler to big kid one)
Leap frog pad
<passes MrsW a glass of water> I had terrible tiredness in all my pg, especially with ds1. I would come home from work, sleep for an hour, get up, eat my dinner, have a shower, then sleep for another 9 hours.
Ds3 said his first 'why?' yesterday. It is downhill from here
Gawd knows what we're getting for his birthday. I've got my eye on a builders mixing tray. They are a large moulded plastic tray with a lip all around the edge of a couple of inches. You can do all kinds of messy play in them and they're hard to tip because they lay flat on the ground <looks over at the sand & water table that was upended countless times last summer>
Ds3 is obsessed with Cars too Fizz, Mater is his favourite.
Hope you're feeling better, MrsW.
F had one piece of pasta with us this evening. 
We've decided to tackle the bedtime farce by bringing his nap forward a bit, and shortening it to 45min-1hr. We think the problem might be that he ends up super tired from getting up early, he then sleeps till nearly 3, and isn't ready for bed till 8:30-9ish. We then have to wake him up at 6, he's still tired, and the cycle continues.
I imagine it'll involve a few days of hideous out of routine and over tired grumps. But we need to give it a try. Selfishly, we really need those 2 hours in the evening to work.
Re balance bikes & scooters: we tried F on some beautiful balance bikes, but he really didn't like them (DH was gutted), but as a family we are morally against micro scooters. F will be going directly onto a skateboard ASAP! With a helmet and pads though!
A colleague sent me a link to a job this evening. I think it's a bit out of my league. Probably no harm in applying though?
B has eaten like a horse today! He scoffed all the food I sent to cms and she said he asked to toast after his nap
he then had scrambled egg (with added peas for vegetation) and more toast for tea, tinned peaches (he loves them!! In juice not syrup) and apple, and then he's just half inched my steak pie and potatoes!
I might have a wee trip to toys r us then to try the balance bikes.
the 2 hour bedtime insanity has begun. If I can't get a toddler to comply, how on earth will I deal with a teenager?
I think the key difference being you can go to bed and leave said teenager downstairs with the telly/games machines & let them know it's their life....
Seriously though, good luck, it sounds like a big change but could work. Are you trying a 2 hour earlier bedtime straight away or adjusting gradually? Saw 15mins earlier each night for a while?
We've had no naps this week
- hence my lack of posts between 3 and 4pm! She wouldn't go on Monday and I spent hours pacing around with the pushchair. Same on Tuesday so today I took her for lunch after nursery and didn't really try for a nap. She hasn't done too badly really but bedtime is much shorter - she's not even lasted a 10 minute story, rather than the 45minutes to an hour that it was taking before. She also slept 11 hours straight last night! I'm surprised that she's gone from 2 hour naps to nothing I thought she'd gradually cut down, but I'm also wondering if she'll decide to nap on Friday or at the weekend to re-charge.
The having stories about mice to deter the fear doesn't seem to work - she pointed out the mice in her book then looked under the sofa for them.
No idea what to get for birthday, possibly a trike but wait until after we've moved (hopefully not long after birthday). I suspect there may be more Happyland to come too.
Happy land is half price at the mo!
Ps Jo, thank you re the formula. We have had two days no sick after reducing his bottles to 3 a day and upping his food. <crosses fingers>
Where kitty?
Ooh! Link sent to my sister for birthday inspiration!!
I found it kitty after engaging my brain and looking on the ELC website!! One cherry cottage purchased for R's birthday!
Ok own up, who sneaked in during the night and stole my lovely smilie calm little boy and replaced him with a tantrumming, hitting, screaming sleep refuser. Today has been the worst day ever. We had to leave a play date with our neighbour when b kept hitting her little boy. Other than saying no and removing him away, what else can I do. He refused to share toys, he stole his biscuit and every time I told him off he laughed like it was a game.
In his defence he was knackered after refusing naps, but it was hellish. We came home and he screamed for 10 minutes in my arms before conking out for an hour or so.
Not fun Fizz 
Was it just tiredness do you think?
I know I was v crabby myself this morning after a busy & tiring week. Poor DD got a cross-voiced Mummy a few times over before we even left to go to playgroup
I took a few deep breaths and was more cheerful once we were out.
When you're only still 1 it's hard to do that though 
Sounds like you dealt with it well by leaving though, sometimes cutting & running is the best plan.
Is anyone else's LO turning into a right bossy boots? I'm not used to it from the boys so wonder if it's a girl thing. DD tells me what to do all the time, or not to do. If i turn on the car radio and she doesn't want it on, it's 'off Mummy off', or if it's not on and she wants it on, it's '(mu)sic Mummy sic'.
And the worst, but funniest is, if I'm talking (to her, to someone else, whatever), she says 'pause Mummy'

Too much time with Sky+ I think....
Ha ha, I LOVE 'pause mummy' 
Ds3 new one is 'why?'.
'mint please mummy?'
'no, not at the moment darling'
'why?'
Any request that is met with a no, is then counter attacked with why?
He also likes to tell us when he has farted or poo'd - always in a loud and clear voice, and of course in a public place
'fart'
I smile and try to brush over the fact he is saying an unsavoury (to some!) word.
'FART, FART, FART'
If I don't acknowledge the fart, the volume increases
The conking out makes me think he was tired fizz, I remember ds2 doing that a couple of times. He would act atrociously (more so than usual
) then just conk out from sheer exhaustion.
poor your fizz- DD was like that yesterday! I have a feeling it might be linked to those 2 y/o molars coming through? I got pretty fed up after she woke up from her nap after only 10 minutes 
JKSLtd- feel you on the bossy boots thing. DD won't let me do anything! Including putting my bag on her buggy "t'off! t'offffff!!!' (take it off)
Tried to write a card yesterday for DH- she wouldn't relinquish the pen and subsequently we have a rather expensive scribble pad "NO! SHMINE! SH MIIIINE!!" LOL (It's mine)
I asked her today if she would like to come outside- as it was raining I took the umbrella...she chucked a wobbly and I thought she wanted to hold it, but when I gave it to her she tried to close it...got quite red in the face...much to my amusement (mean mummy)
oh lordy! hat off to those with more than 1 to contend with!
We have a bossy boots too - 'stop mummy' and 'stop daddy' are stock phrases here, and lord help us if we dare to sit somewhere other than the exact position she deems best for us.
DH thinks she's got it from her mummy. I couldn't possibly comment...
Oh lordy fizz. What a day you had. Hope today is better. I think we are fast approaching the terrible twos eh. S's fave words are no not! Argh.
Me and dh have a party to go to tonight. So at 930 I'm having a pedicure and a manicure. And at 12 I'm getting my hair cut and coloured. I'm so grey now! We are staying at the inlaws tonight as they are babysitting and live near the venue.
A was sick with his bottle this am. A cough caused it. This is nearly always the case but the docs always declare his chest fine...
Oh yes I recognise the bossiness. Do far this morning we have had
'get up mummy'
'milk on cornflakes, not yoghurt, MILK'
'go see AP'
'no nappy change'
'get out'
'come on'
'chop chop'
'no coat'
'open the door'
'go swimming'
'chocolate button'
He used to preface all these with 'would you like', now it's just the imperative. I go back to work tomorrow
<bad mother>
Bugger, just realised its not tomorrow, it's Monday. One more day of being a personal slave....
Frak! You make me feel better for enjoying my work life. Sometimes I think I'm the only nutter that cracks after more than a few days with a small child!
Operation Sleep is going well. Cm restricted him to an early 45 mins yesterday, he was asleep by 19:35 and sleep through till 7:45 this morning 

furthermore, he woke up happy and cooperative. Maybe it was the sunshine? Maybe it was 12 hours sleep in a row? I don't know, but I hope it continues!
Just put him down now, will wake at 13:05, and try again today.
I love going to work, it helps me keep my sanity. I'm pleased i took the decision to reduce down to part-time when DD arrived. I feel like I get the best from both worlds.
A little
of all these talkative children, P has only started saying Mum this week. I know it comes in time and DS was a slow talker too, but I am getting fed up of all the "
is she still not talking yet". Even my own Dad keeps mentioning it now which is rich, as you're lucky to get a grunt, let alone a full conversation out of him.
Happy Mother's Day aprilites
This year I told dh what I wanted and as a result have a beautiful leather recipe binder. Chocs. S 'wrote'in my card. And filhas gone to mcd to get bfast...they babysat last night as we had a party.
Happy Mothers' Day everyone! It's also my DB's birthday so we're off up to London for a family get together.
Slightly dreading the restaurant bit but am armed with cars and books and the rest of it should be lovely. AND S slept through till 7am. Unheard of. Do you think he knew?! 
Happy mummy's day!!!
Had good cuddles in bed with my DH and munchkin... Then a ling shower (on my own!!!)
If that's all i get i am a happy mummy 
Probably sounds crazy but i'm rather excited about getting stuck in to the garden today! Hehe
Hope you all enjoy your day with your families xx
No gardening here, 2inches of snow!
I had a long lie, so I'm not long up. Roast dinner later and a date with Ben and jerry! 
Have a lovely day aprilites!
Happy mother's day.
F's gone a bit feverish with his current cold, so up overnight and not happy today. DH went mountain biking this morning. Me & F snuggled and did painting when the calpol kicked in.
I did get cards made with cm and at nursery.
DH is back, he bought squash.
As people keep saying, it's not wife's day.
Oh dear Ubw 
Hope we all enjoy the day with our LOs 
Lie in, breakfast in bed and bathroom to myself - they are my main treats!
Also have fire lit & roast for later.
Dh has taken ds2 out in the snow for (I'm guessing) flowers, though he will also be getting potatoes lol.
l have had some epic cuddles today!
F's still hot and tired. He took himself to bed at 6. Heard whimpering so came and gave him calpol. Now he wants to sleep in our bed. Breathing is noisy (nose is blocked), but he's dead snotty cute.
I'm lying here with him waiting for him to go back to sleep so I can do more marking.
F is sleeping in our bed tonight.
He talks in his sleep!
(I'm sure it'll be less amusing later)
Daisy how was lunch?
Abby did you get your gardening done?
Fizz what flavour? Yum
Jks did they return with flowers?
How's f ubw?
We had a lovely lunch yesterday. S was on the best behaviour and a fell asleep in my arms, meant I ate with one hand but preferable to crying!
We also put up our photo of Alex yest. Ill fb it.
Snowing 
Karamel sutra! With the core!
Yes managed to get both the front and back gardens looking better! Trip to the dump today to dispose of all the waste! I know... Living life on the edge! Fine dining at nandos for tea too! Sounds like everyone had a special day. We are lucky to have such precious babies :-)
Is there anything I could get to stop B being able to open the doors? There is no containing him. I could put stair gates everywhere, but that's maybe overkill. I just can't physically hover over him constantly. It would give me peace of mind if I nip to the loo he isn't in the laundry cupboard eating the washing powder!
Glaikit we went to ikea and bought a pack of those latch thingys... It like a child proof latch...like this:
http://www.daretoprepare.org/core/public/inline/13386sm.gif
On an unrelated note... It's snowing in London....?!?!?
I've got those on the kitchen cupboards, but these are the internal doors between rooms and on the big cupboards. I don't thnk those would work.
Move stuff around in your cupboards? Breakables and chemicals up high, Tupperware and saucepans down low?
We've had snow flurries since Saturday night. I'm glad we got another oil delivery last week, we thought the warmer weather was on the way so debated about getting a delivery.
Today is day 3 of ds3 being a Velcro baby. I think it's just a heavy cold, but it's really knocked him for six. We've had 2 nights of newborn-like wakings and re-settling and we're knackered. How have we done this for months on end............ three times? 
Yes they did return with flowers
& and Easter egg we had to share 
We have a gate on the kitchen doorway, with some locks on some cupboards within in the kitchen.
Otherwise it's pretty free rein downstairs.
Gate on the stairs, top & bottom, free rein upstairs except for spare room which we keep shut to stop the cats getting in there as MIL is allergic. We just have a simple hook & eye thing screwed into the woodwork/door.
So, a rearrange of what is where and a gate on the kitchen? That way you only have to watch/hover when you decide he can go in there.
The few locks we have on the cupboard doors are hard to describe...can't remember where we got them either! <helpful> But they are 100% kid-proof and not annoying like those ones you have to half put your hand in to release.
Will google and see what I find.
Lots of semi-blizzard like conditions here! But not settling. yet.
Found them: here
We don't use them like in the photo though.
Our cupboards have round handles and the loops slide over them. I don't unlock them each time, just slide one loop over a handle then back over again to shut.
Even DS1 can't quite do it at age 6.
I should say, that all my cleaning stuff is safely tucked away from little fingers, he has in the past though opened the powder drawer on the washing machine and scooped the scum out (yuk). Our house has a funny set up. The play room, downstairs loo, dining room and the cupboard containing the washing machine and trouble drier, ironing board etc is in the extension part accessed from the living room, so for him to get to the play room he has access to the cupboard and the loo.
Maybe I'll just get a couple of latches to put high up on the doors. The kitchen is sorted he has one cupboard he can get into that has all the Tupperware on one shelf and baking trays and the like on another. It gets emptied regularly 
Another few inches of snow here.
Loads of snow here!
I've not child proofed at all <bad mother> I'm fairly sure there's stuff under the sink he shouldn't be accessing either but he only goes there for his duster - well trained boy.
Hope F is doing better ubw and your lurgified child too ILTMI
Glad you got a peaceful meal kitty!
A fell down the steps outside my dn's. his head looks awful and is still leaking a bit. Didn't go a and e as he hasn't been sick or sleepy.
Stoopid phone. S not A!!!
Frak- not a bad mum! In fact teaching your lo is very un- lazy imo...
No good to hear that bubba is still unwell ubw... A has had a snotty nose and cough since getting back from aus 3 weeks ago- damn recycled air on planes!
She was a right nightmare today with refusing to get in the buggy- dont think she knows how good she's got it all tucked up snuggly buggly in the buggy while i am freezing my patooty off wheeling her highness around in blizzard conditions 
She's in bed now! Goodbye baby tv
HELLO WINE 

Kitty, I've just seen the photos on fb, poor S. they have hard head heads (as I typed that B has just head butted the back of the sofa).
I've just cleared our path, bloody snow
Oh kitty just read this...sorry to hear that's awful 
Gets better. Tried A with yoghurt again earlier and he's just thrown up
Hope S is ok Kitty poor thing.
We have a dusting of snow. Shouldn't it be getting spring-like by now? I'm fed up of being cold. Cycling to work isn't much fun when it's cold, even if it is only 10 minutes. Then when the weather is nicer I'll probably have to stop cycling as bump will be in the way.
I think I felt some movement over the last couple of days 
oh Kitty, I hope you're ok, you are having a dreadful time at the moment. Conor bumps his head about 10 times a day, boys for you. We've not had anything that looks like that though! Sure he will be on the mend soon.
Could you try to get a dietician appointment for A, that might help give you some ideas about what's troubling him. You can get a referral via your GP.
Firefly, I am also cycling to work but was naughty this morning and drove. That biting wind yesterday was just too vile for words. No snow here. Feel very left out!
Our childproofing is also rather slack, even the cupboards that have the child locks can be opened with a good yank, as we are so crap at DIY. I seem to shout "MIND YOU FINGERS" a lot.
I cheated today - got a lift with DH - my excuse is we're collecting boxes for the house move, and I can't carry them on bike 
Just place marking as you've fallen off my TIO!
Not much to report really still pg and getting huge at an alarming rate - only 15+5 too!!
Hey All,
Kitty, hope you and S's bump are ok.
You cyclists are nuts amazing. How exciting about wiggles, Firefly!
F is still ill. Just sorry for himself and a streaming nose. No cough or signs of ear infection. I hope he's better tomorrow. 
And MrsW, nearly 16 weeks already?! time flies...
16 weeks. Eeek - exciting times MrsW! I'm jealous though...I wish it was me! I am B.R.O.O.D.Y 
Absolutely knackered here at the mo. Nobody in the house is sleeping well at the moment and we're not sure why. I'm longing for a proper lie in.
How's F today UBW? Hope he's a bit better.
Sleep deprivation is horrible, 20th. Hope you get your lie in this weekend.
F is still up & down. Not hot anymore but not right. He's had lots of sleep and daddy snuggles today, perked up for a bit between morning & afternoon nap, but that's it. 
I could do with a list of pg mums on here and how pg you are, is it just me?!

DD was a right handful today <polite understatement> I was truly fed up with her by bedtime and tried to get DH (rarely home at bedtime to be fair to her) to put her to bed. There was howling. 
so i cuddled her for ages until i knew she was calm, sigh.
She doesn't give me a seconds peace or let me go into another room atm, luckily she still naps after lunch or i'd be going crazy!
Weeing in peace only happens when she's not awake!
I know, I know, this too shall pass....
Could also do with that list jks 
S was up hourly last night. Lucky A slept thru it. Took s in with me at 530 and he slept til 7. He's been moaning already tonight.
Hand up. Pregnant - 17 weeks tomorrow! Saw the midwife today and got top marks for my wee and blood samples
. My iron levels are great somehow. Not sure what I've been eating to make it so good (I'm sure cake isn't that iron rich, even if it is chocolate
).
I also got to hear baby's heartbeat and she took a look at my scar. She's seen better and told me to make sure the consultant got to see it at my appointment. If I have another c-sec they should be able to tidy it up a bit, and hopefully it'll heal with fewer lumps and bumps. Am thinking I'd like to book c-sec but maybe if I went into labour before I would give VBAC a go.
That's fab 
Hello
<<echoes ominously>>
Where is everyone this weekend?
I'm here!
Happy St Patrick's Day everyone

Been swimming, out for food shopping & to Factory Shop for bits & bobs & usual talk-mummy-into-buying toys <sigh>
Having a quick sit down before tackling homework and school bag packing...
Hello! Nothing of note to report here! More snow! That's about it!
B got new wellies.
Hello, I'm here.
F is better! But we seem to be BFing again.
I have a cold. And I'm a bit stressed. I just deleted the whole rant. Just the normal too much work to fit in a normal week.
I'm here too! We've got snow, very unexpected, splatty and wet but fun in wellies.....Friends coming with their three kids for play and Sunday roast. Nice weekend. 
Sorry about work UBW, rant away..
I'm here too. I also have a work related rant - something I should have done weeks ago has been playing on my mind all weekend. I know that our head of department is going to ask for a progress update next week and I've done sweet fa. I mean absolutely nada. Oh, to be a do-er and not a procrastinator...
Just want to get into work and actually do something about it. Can't believe I'm wishing the weekend away!
Pg aprilites kiddiecare have a flash sale on today not that I'm encouraging you to spend!
Well, from being on a high on Friday morning about a great midwife appointment the weekend has gone a bit downhill. I'm currently a snot factory and feel grim. Also, I have to go for a blood test first thing tomorrow as my friends DD might have slapped cheek disease which can be serious for pregnancy. The blood test should establish if I'm immune - apparently most people are.
Eek firefly. Hope ur ok.
And hugs to those with work issues.
I've had a child free, girly, alcohol induced afternoon. Bliss.
Hope you're ok firefly!
I'm here now. Left DS for 36 hours, first time overnight, to go to Paris. Feeding him now but boobs were like rocks on the train!
I've just had a terrible phonecall from DH. His cousins little girl died in her sleep last night. They dont know why, she broke her arm a few months or so ago, but she wasnt ill as far as we know.
I can't stop crying. I can't even think how old she would be. 11 I think. I feel numb. I can't even being to think how she must feel.
B is asleep in our bed, I want to go hug him so tight right now.
Oh gosh 

How awful! Thinking of you and the whole family. That's such a tragic thing to happen. I can't imagine how you all most be feeling.
That's so terribly sad fizz. Thinking of you all and sending big hugs xxx
Oh Fizz 
How unutterably awful for her family & all of you. Be gentle with yourself & DH, let yourselves cry.
(PS Frak on my phone your faces looked like sad faces but on laptop they look like hmm faces)
Oh Fizz what awful news. Just horrible.
I was going to waffle on on here about how atrocious ds3's behaviour has been, but it doesn't matter does it?
Thinking of you all xx
Oh no ILike please waffle. I didn't mean to hog the thread.
Thank you for all you kindness. Dh is still at work so we don't know anything more yet. SIL is very close with cousin, I am worried for her. But you guys know my relationship with my in laws isn't the best. She wouldn't appreciate me calling her I don't think.
B is coming down with something as he as been unusually sleepy, and weeping at the slightest thing. And not tantrumy weeping, like something really isn't right. And he is off his food.
Dh has his interview for his job on Wednesday. I can't remember if I have said, they are regrading his post, because of all the work he has taken on over and above what he should be doing and the positive changes he has made to his organisation. The regrading has been in the pipeline since July last year.it so good to finally be getting near the end of the fiasco. They had the interviews for the people who applied on level transfer last week because public sector have to be fair and open
in their recruitment process. Only it's not very fair on dh who is faced with the possibility of not getting his own job
when absolutely nothing has changed, it is literally the job he is doing, nothing more nothing less. Add into the mix the pure incompetence of hr and well, my blood pressure has been sky high a few times recently. The farce is, it is 99.9% his already, but there is still that 0.1% niggle that he might not get it, so why go through a 2 month recruitment process. It's not very fair on the other applicants either, although I don't care much about them!
I am wishing this week over already.
Oh Fizz - that's just heartbreaking for your family. How sad. News like that puts everything into perspective doesn't it.
It sounds like you're having a really tough week. Take care and make sure that you and your DH are there to support each other through it.
Thinking of your family fizz, bad news always makes you want to hug your own children extra tightly.
The snow finally made it to Guernsey last week, not to do things by half we had a Red Weather Warning, the blizzard coincided with gale force winds. Loads of trees down but luckily no-one seriously hurt. DS got 3 snow days off school.
I am meeting up with a fellow MN on Wed.
. Following on from a chat thread to check our local pages i did so. She'd posted in January as was moving here this month but no-one had responded. I posted & voila.
Turns out she also has a DD who has just turned 2 so we are meeting up at the soft play. (It feels like a blind date, should I buy a MN scarf to wear and carry around a fruit shoot and some PomBears so she recognises me
.)
Argh. Really pissed off by a comment made by a friend's friend on FB about how a real family is one where one parent stays at home rather than "farming" the children out to "rush" back to their careers, and that such parents shouldn't have bothered to have children at all. I know, I know, it's FB and a contentious issue but......have just called him rude and arrogant. I don't even know him. 
Sorry, Fizz, massive hugs to you and yours. Inconceivable. Xx.
Fizz, thinking of you and your family, that is utterly tragic. No parent should have to deal with the death of a child. It does make me realise how very lucky I am.
Good luck on your 'date', Gsy. I know what you mean about the blind dates, I've found a couple of playdates with New Friends have felt a bit like a first date! Will they judge me if I serve fish fingers to the children...
Daisy, people are idiots. Of course that's nonsense. Conor loves his nursery, I practically have to drag him home in the evening but if you're a working mother you will always have The Guilt.
Is Arch still on here or has she named changed? I saw on Facebook she's really worried as her DH has been made redundant.
No news from me really, Conor is very into colours at the moment. LELLO, mummy, LELLO!! Love it.
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Thinking of you fizz. Hugs
I had a rant earlier, then realised I'd posted way too much info. I'm fine, we are fine. Just desperately sad.
DHs interview tomorrow so hopefully I will be posting good news tomorrow.
Fingers crossed
Fingers crossed for interview, hugs for sadness.
Yes, hugs and love for you and your family. It's so sad.
Good interview vibes from here. My DH has an interview on Thursday. Fingers crossed.
Fingers crossed for interviews this week. Thanks, Jo. 
So yesterday S woke at 430 and didn't go back to sleep - today he woke at 4, went back to sleep again BUT I DIDN'T!!!! What is my body trying to do to me?! We had three 630s in a row last week as well, shouldn't have got my hopes up......
Anyone suggest good ride on toy for S's 2ndbirthday present. Not the cosy coupe he has that at His dgp's and he's going there 3 days a week when I go back to work unless thanTWO WEEKS
I always fancied getting one of those fire engine/police bike ride ons? On phone but may try and find a link later.
Just been looking at the new wheelybug. Would go great on our wooden floors. S could race a in his walker
Oh yes, i know people with them and their kids love them. for some reason we've never had one.
Blimey, toys we've not got
! 
Haha tell me about it! A friend just gave me some ikea toy storage but filled it with toys too!! Fab tho
Shite day here. Dh didn't get his own job. No one did. So for four years had graft turning round a failing department after moving 150 miles away from all our family and friends, not applying for previous jobs on promotion because they were "working on something" to sort him out, they saw fit to not give him his own job. His reward for this. Continuing to do his job. Their reward for not giving him it, demotivated person and not having to pay him a few extra ££££s a month.
I found out I didn't even get on the short list for the job I applied for a while back.
I realise we are both lucky to be working in semi secure jobs in the first place, but DHs job is what we moved for. It's the thing keeping us here. I tell myself to stick it out here because he loves his job so much. So now we are in this position, where does it leave us? Job market back home is buoyant. I could practically name my price for a job up there with my experience. Dh would to, but it would be a big shift for him public sector for 18 years does things to you.
I'm spinning, I don't really know what I'm thinking.
Sorry to hear that Fizz. And I'm
on you and your DH's part. What a kick in the teeth not to give him the job.
Sorry to hear that fizz. The job Market is just shite at the moment. People getting shafted left, right and centre, but not feeling they can complain because of the lack of jobs about.
I can imagine working in the public sector can be hard to leave. especially when you've worked there for a long time. But being treated like he has been could be the nail in the coffin.
Give yourselves a few days to rant, then when you're calmer think about what you want to do in the future.
kitty - we have a ladybird wheeleybug (called Gaston!) and the boys love it, as do the children who come here.
Ds3 is off to his Granny's in the morning so I can help at pre school for a few hours. I'm looking forward to it. It's probably the last chance I'll get to see ds2 as the big fish in a small pond
- he starts primary in September <gulp>
Fizz - i don't even know where to begin.
to start with!
Don't make any decisions tonight, just have a
and veg out a bit.
See how the dust settles then have a considered discussion about the pros and cons of staying vs going home.
I keep meaning to ask, is anyone else's lo starting preschool in September?
I'm going to have regular child-free hours again for the first time in 2.5 years
What will I do with myself? ...... Clean the house probably 
x-post with you ILike & I was just thinking of posting the same q! <great minds
>
DD starts in Sept, I think probably 3 mornings a week, 9-12.
She'll love it, me too if i'm honest.
I may investigate some low level office work but my main dream is for my Monday mornings come Sept:
Dh takes DS1 to sch anyway, so he can take DD - same site. DS2 gets the bus from the front door. I can stay in bed until approx 11.45!!! 
Fizz what everyone else said. Utter Shiite all round 
Ilike do you have the small or large?
Alex has bought up every meal today. I'm sick of sick
Fizz, that absolutely sucks. Loyalty just doesn't seem to count for anything anymore. So shortsighted too. Spitting for you.
B starts playgroup in may. 2 mornings a week to start with building up to the whole week I think. He already goes with CM on the days she is the parent helper and he loves it. 3 hrs a session! Cannot wait!!
No hasty decisions here, but dh seems resigned that his tenure in his current role has come to an end. We will just have to wait and see what is round the corner. As they say where I'm from "fits fur yi, winnae ging by yi" ( what's for you won't go by you). There has to be a bigger reason for all this. I hope it becomes apparent soon.
He's probably right Fizz, doors closing and others opening and all that.
That's bloody awful. What a farce!!!
M is already at a preschool 4 sessions a week. Debating whether I keep him there all next year or apply for a kindy place at the nice primary near us in Jan 14... It's open as soon as they're 2,5 so he misses the Sept start.
Large kitty. M can ride around on it fine, but then he is tall. I would get a large still though, lots of growing room
I like your style JKS 
S is a tiddler. Little legs like me. Can m still spin on it etc?
We've got a wheely bug and it never gets used TBH. DD never seems to have taken to it, not sure why 
Sorry about your DH Fizz. We're going through a similar thing at my workplace at the moment. We're also public sector and it's the second time we've been through it in two years. I've been fortunate in that my position is pretty safe at the moment, however I work with lots of people who are similar periods of uncertainty. It's shit.
I've got friends who live in your hometown (pretty sure I remember you saying where you're from originally). Her DH packed his secure finance related job in because he wanted to try working for himself. It didn't work out but he was able to find a new job within a couple of weeks of looking. I was shocked - the job market up there seems to be completely unrelated to the rest of the UK. Maybe what's just happened has happened for a reason.
Yup, that sounds about right, but with that you have sky high house prices and some of the highest levels of poverty, because if you are poor there, everything costs so so much compared to elsewhere.
Anyway, my rant the other day was just that. A rant. I really don't think we will move back. We couldn't afford a house like the one we have here without living over an hour away from the city. Public transport is practically non existent.
Dh appears to have been an innocent victim in higher up posturing and personal vendettas. He seems much more positive about it and sees it as the kick in the arse he needs to sort himself out. He has been in the post 4 years and its a springboard post that folk generally do 2-3 years in then move on. He needs to work on his confidence, and sell himself better. He really undersells, modest, farming stock, stick in and you'll be rewarded. But that's not the world we live in now.
I was working today and it was hell. My team has been decimated from 8 to 2 due to illness and holiday and everyone wanted a piece of us today! I don't know if I'm coming or going.
tonight me thinks! 
I meant I, not M Kitty <doah>, and yes he can manoeuvre it well.
Anyone affected by the snow? Nowt here yet, but some forecasted for overnight and tomorrow.
So you should come and live near me Fizz!!
Mucho cheapness houses and easy commuting distance....in fact why don't you buy the house I'm trying to sell!!?? I'm just joking obviously, that is pretty shit re: DHs job
Why can't management just leave things be. Glad he seems positive about it all though.
We've had a little bit of snow ILTMI but nothing major thankfully. I can't believe this time last year I was getting organised for my brothers wedding and it was something ridiculous like 20 degrees!!! I was sunbathing in March ffs!
So I think I can finally feel baby flutters!! Have been suspecting it for a week or so but couldn't be 100% sure. I'm pretty certain it is that now though. Seems mainly to be on the left hand side though, which leads me to think my placenta is on the right. If that's the case then baby is potentially a boy according to Dr Google. Scan still isn't til 18th April
this doesn't seem to be going very quickly at all.
Re: pre-school, R will continue at the nursery she's at until September and will then come off while I'm on mat leave (can't afford it) she is already pre-registered (as is baby) to return once I go back to work, by which time she will be eligible for her funded place.
Whoever was looking for Arch I think she is only posting on fb now 
MrsWajs you are very right!! Have you still not sold up
it would be one of the places we would be looking at if we did, or we would look north where DH is from (rhymes with Melon) actually, you and my sister in law have a mutual friend on FB. I've been meaning to say for ages, but kept forgetting. Small world eh?
Oh and B kicked to the left to begin with 
M kicked to the top, straight under my belly button!
Odd question - pelvic floor toners. Anyone used one? I mean the weird dildo things that target the right muscles. I am utterly crap at remembering to do them and maybe if there's a thing lying around I'll remember?!
No idea Frak, I do my kegals in the car!! Plus having a cs has left my pelvic floo in much the same state as it was pre B!
incoherent SIL rant alert
You know what I said before about being worried for SIL I al, the stuff that's going on just now. Well it is rapidly diminishing. DHs cousins lives on the west coast of Scotland, this is where the funeral will be, so we said to SIL & Mil to come to us on Tuesday and stay and we will all go through together on Wednesday morning. SIL agrees, good idea, would be an early start for them otherwise. Then DH gets a text. Can SIL drop off MIL at lunchtime Tuesday here so she can go through and stay with cousin (who has just lost her daughter) because she thinks her dog will cheer up cousins DSs. Fine that's ok, but it means dh having to stay at home to wait for the drop off. We are still expecting her to come back to ours on Wednesday and stay so she can see b (who she hasn't seen since October I think) as he'll be at CM when she dumps her mother. Now dh has just got a text saying she has been thinking, she doesn't want to come stay with us on Wednesday night. She wants to stay through with cousin again. She will come through and collect MIL on Thursday morning. Now I don't mind having mil,we have been offering to have her for ages, but we don't want to drive up the road to collect her bring her back to stay for a couple of nights then have to do the same return trip costing us the best part of £100 in diesel. SIL refuses to share the driving because her car "might breakdown", but she regularly drives to visit cousin who lives further away then we do. So mil hasn't been to stay. Now SIL sees the funeral as an opportunity to off load her mother on to us because "she needs a break" just like the Christmas before last when she tried to say MIL should come to ours for Christmas on her own so she could "have a break". This is the SIL who hasn't got her Christmas gifts fro. Us yet because she hasn't been in touch with dh since before Christmas. This sounds like I am being unreasonable here, but I assure you I'm not. I just hate they way anything that happens gets turned round by her to be a "woe is me" situation. I am going to find it really hard to keep a civil tongue in my head. She hasn't even asked dh about his job yet, knowing his interview was last week. We have also heard on the grapevine she has a DP now, but no mention of that either. I'm angry at her and hurt for dh that his sister has so little regard for B and us as a family. It's all about her as far as she is concerned. Grrrrrrr 
Poor mil having to live with that all the time.
Sounds like a horrible situation Fizz. You won't change how your SIL behaves, so try and take the relationship for what it is.
I don't believe that blood is always as thick as water. If your SIL doesn't want a close relationship, then don't bother trying either - it will be a fruitless fight and a waste of energy.
No idea about pelvic toners Frakk. I really should do more kegals. I could have cracked walnuts with my fanjo, but having ds3 stopped that.
We have removed the stairgate from the bottom of the stairs. We've had one for the past 4 years...it looks strange without it.
Sounds really hard, Fizz. I feel most sorry for the cousin, who may not "need" your SIL as much as she would like to think..... Have a lovely time with your MIL and try to think of it as SIL's loss if she doesn't want family time with you all and the gorgeous B.
Poor S has gone off to nursery wailing and trying to rip his new shoes off.
I specifically bought exactly the same style, albeit in a different colour and a size bigger, and he was quite excited about them but they obviously feel different, as new shoes do, and he was in a right old strop about them. Hope nursery manage to persuade him to keep them on, he has to wear them, his toes were right at the end of his old ones.......!
I'm intrigued ILTMI re: cracking walnuts with your fanjo?? Had you tried it....? 
I'm crap at doing mine too but remembering the wedding dancing 4 weeks after having R soon spurs me on!! I bet they're well and truly wrecked after having another baby!
Our stairgate just got put back up after R fell down the stairs twice in 2 weeks (once with DSS's assistance
)
Your SIL sounds like an arse Fizz is she the same one we were discussing or a different one?
I just gave R tinned macaroni for lunch (lazy) she ate some and then when I appeared with something different she pushed it away and announced it was "eskusking" I had to try v hard not to laugh!
Same one, I only have one thankfully!
It's my party trick
Ds3 can use the stairs fine, it's if ds2 is present that it can become a problem. Neither of the boys have even attempted to go upstairs since the gate was taken down
We still have the gate at the top of the stairs which is being closed at night because of ds2. He has been waking up early and sneaking downstairs, he gave me the fright of my life the other morning. I had no idea he was out of his bedroom and he even had to go past our open door! ds2 can open the gates, but hopefully the closed gate and some threats are enough to keep him in bed!
I have all sort going through my mind now iLike! Have you seen The hangover 2??? 
I have a black eye! b twatted me in the face with a beaker. It shoved my glasses right into my eye! It's not a good look. And I'm going to have to put my contacts in because my glasses are hurting my nose, so can't even use them as a bit of camouflage. Hopefully the swelling will go down quickly.
He lashes out quite a bit. It's usually his toys that get it. Usually a firm NO stops him, but now he just laughs. It's just a phase, isn't it <hopeful>
Ouch, Fizz
Well, we had M's birthday party on Saturday, virtually the same as last year - same joint birthday girls, same place, same friends. The kids had a great time with a big church hall to play in and M got home and crashed out at 5.30, then slept til 6.45am! Her birthday is on Wednesday - how on earth did I get a 2 year old? Time flies 
I feel your pain re sil fizz. Only mine was a mate before I married her husbands brother. A lot of the time she winds me up the wrong way but I have to keep quiet. A few weeks ago I got cross with three out of four if our group of friends and actually said what I felt for once. She got upset and stressed and accused me and one other of ganging up on her. Is had a go at three of them so not fair. Then we all get the silent treatment. So mature.
This time next week I will be back at work. Not happy 
Ps can't believe we have two year olds already. Happy birthday 
He he, yes I have seen the Hangover 2
I do a really good Mr Chow impression. I should be a little embarrassed about that, but I'm not! I think a third film has been commissioned.
We've had a spate of hitting here too. A firm no stops it in its tracks, but it not happening in the first place would be preferable.
Happy birthday for tomorrow M 
Dug out birthday list, we've missed a few sorry.
Gormers; DD1, Eva, 16/01 Already 2
JoEW; DS1, Conor, 22/02 Already 2
stuffedmk; DC2, Thomas, 23/03 Just turned 2
Poodle82; DC1, Joshua, 24/03 Just turned 2
LJB; DD2, Baby Girl, 26/03 2 Today!
Aprilmeadow; DC4, Finn, 27/03
Chillikat; Megan, 27/03
Lowra; DC1, Amber, 27/03
Petalouda; DC1, Felix, 28/03
Meg89; DC2, Teddy, 29/03
Alibabaandthe40nappies; DC2, Thomas, 28/03
Ulysses; Anna, 30/03
PussinJimmyChoos; DC2, Yaseen, 30/03
Liv77; DC2, Phoebe, 31/03
Thaney; DC1, Amelia, 05/04
Cyclebump; DS1, Henry, 05/04
NotAnotherNewNappy; DC2, Rosina, 06/04
BeetleBaby; DS1, Samuel, 07/04
rubybambini; DD1, Kitty, 08/04
Jaylar; DC2, Archer, 10/04
Kitstwins; DC3, 11/04
Sassy20; DD1, Lucy, 13/04
Daisy17; Seth, 13/04
JenAT; George David 16/04
Sats1977; DC1, Oliver, 20/04
Zafnoodles; DS1, Jacob, 18/04
lucieloo; DC1, George, 18/04
JKS; DC3, Mary, 20/04
Caramellokoalalover; DC2, Scarlett, 20/04
Frak; DC1, Marc, 21/04
AussieMum2Be; DD1, Dylan-Indianna 21/04
JollySergeantJackrum; DC1, Harris, 21/04
Chipsahoynicki; DC2, Isaac, 21/04
beckie90; DC2, Oliver Jack, 22/04
SaltedPretzels; DC3 Amelia, 23/04
MrsWajs; DC1, Robyn, 25/04
Natzer; April, 25/04
Tinwe; Hazel
Karoleann; DC3, Emily, 26/04
ecuse, DD1, Joanna, 27/04
ILikeToMoveItMoveIt; DC3, Ike, 28/04
LisMcA; DC1, Blair, 30/04
Architien; DC2 (DS1), Rose, 1/05
CountScoutula; DC1 Freda, 29/04
Trucha10; DC1 Evan, 10/05
Kittycatcat; DC1 Samuel, 11/05
+ Starshaped
Ilike - meant to say think you may have been right about cryptospiridium the other day. Luckily things have cleared up now but was nasty for a while.
Meanwhile M has developed gungy eyes. She has a cold so I'm hoping it's just that, but when do I decide it's conjunctivitis & have to do something?
And when do I cancel our trip to friends (with 2 DC) this weekend? Think DH may have to go with the boys on his own as they are really looking forward to it. So am i, boo.
We have a nap ! First since Friday. I've been able to eat my cake without sharing it 
Are you still bfeeding JKS? Could try a wee squirt of milk in her eye?
I missed SIL today shame but mil has ratcheted up her annoying tendencies. Twice she has yelled at B to "shut yer face" while she been regaling us with something utterly pointless and B has been trying to chat to her. I am getting very close to kicking her out. Bed time in 2 hours!
Wow, Fizz, that's tough. It's horrible to have to put up with someone behaving like that to anyone your child, but there's that sense that you have to, because its family.
I'd say hoof her out for doing that, but it's never that straight forward, is it?
Hope your eye is feeling better.
F is 2 on Thursday. So (assuming we get everything on the tesco delivery tonight) he's got one cake to take to toddlers with the cm tomorrow, one cake to take to nursery on Thursday, and another cake for his party on Friday! I think his 3rd might be a bit disappointing after the 3 day cakeathon!
Hopefully, if it doesn't snow, we're going to a safari park with family on Friday. It's going to be FREEZING!
Can't believe he's nearly two! He's only just learned to respond to "how old are you?" with "I'm one!".
Bloody fecking dh is going out to play football. He reminded me with a cheesy grin on his face. He thinks this is funny. He may come home and find he is an orphan and married to a murderer.
I'm having to watch bloody emmerdale. And she can't sit still, back forth, up down, side to side, up down, twitch twitch. Driving me bonkers.
And she's gone to bed ............. 
Hurrah 

!
You are a saint & repeat ... 
So she decided we should all be up at 6..............
All this is made worse by the fact B appears to adore her
and a jabbered away at her endlessly. Strange child.
Maybe B is taking the 'kill her with kindness approach'?!
Happy birthday M <jelly and ice cream emoticon>
JKS - if you take her to the docs today and start treatment today you can probably still go away for the weekend. I have a feeling it has to be treated for 48 hours before you can safely come in contact with people.
Happy birthday M!
Oh my gosh....2 year olds!
She sounds a nightmare, Fizz. Ugh. Up at 6????
JKS it may just be coldy grunge but it may not and it's definitely worth getting it treated. They are quite different though. We frequently get sticky coldy eyes but conjunctivitis was obvious.
Nightmare mil!
Got drops OTC from chemist yey, said she's fine to be with others as soon as drops started phew.
I feel emotionally drained. Funeral was today. The service was as lovely as these things can be and very apt for the little girl I remember.
Our big issue comes from MIL though. We can both now see what SIL means when she says she needs a break from her. However unreasonable SIL is about other things i can entirely see her point on this one now. Mil has MS, and I think most of her issues stem from there. But there is also the fact she is socially inept. Today was awful. She says the first thing that comes into her head at the top of her voice. When she decides she wants to leave/have a drink/go to the loo she announces it loudly. There was a bit of hanging around afterwards as family chatted as happens at these things. She got up and walked to the door to wait for us. Then came back to inform us she was ready to go. We said just wed be a minute and she went off into a rage, then sulked in a chair by the door, until coming back and sitting with us until we were all ready to leave. She also regaled the tale of when she met SILs new man. Asking if he used "protection" <cringe>. She seems to think its her duty as a "mother" to ask this and be given the answer! SIL is 35. She also told them she knew what they were doing, she could hear them through the walls
. Then there are just the random comments/digs at SIL. They don't live happily together at all.
We also have concerns about her personal hygiene. I don't think she brushed her hair this morning before we left the house, but was spraying hairspray at 6.05 this morning. Enough to make me gag and be a little bit sick. She was last in the upstairs bathroom before we left this morning, so I only discovered this when we got home. But she had left the loo in an awful mess. Sorry TMI.
I don't know what to do. Dh and I have decided we need to sit down and talk to SIL. Tell her we understand where she is coming from wrt her mum. We can't really help practically because of the distance, but if we had a better idea of the treatments, assistance and support she is getting, we might be able to find out what else is available. Mil and SIL living together is not a long term solution I think. But mil at the age of 60 has nothing to her name, not a pot to piss in. Would she qualify for a sheltered housing place? She couldn't live totally independently. I think SIL would have to effectively throw her out for her to be rehoused. Sorry I'm just rambling now. But I think this is the opening of a huge can of worms, and I can't see a solution coming quickly and/or cheaply with no huge fall out. Can I put my head back in the sand???
Fizz. I don't have the answers but it sounds like a nightmare. Hugs.
Anyone looking in on us would assume she has mental health issues. Family just accept her, but I can imagine they are all cringing inwardly and going home
at her.
Sorry, also meant to say glad the funeral went as well as can be expected. It's so incredibly sad. Xx
Much sympathy, Fizz, and well done you for stepping up to help even though you can see how tough it will be. From my (limited) experience of MS it can affect behaviour and cause MH issues so it could well be behind her embarrassing outbursts etc. My friend's mum was and is still very much affected in that way. It may be that her treatment needs reviewing, if your SIL and MIL are living together it might be hard for them to notice changes and worsenings. Can't help at all with the housing issues, I'm afraid, maybe someone on the health boards might be able to help? Massive hugs, you've had a shocker of a day.
Hugs &
Fizz, what a mess. Hopeful though that maybe medication/treatment for her MS could be changed & it might help?
She seems young for sheltered housing but it could be a possibility, I don't know enough about it though sorry.
More birthdays today 
Gormers; DD1, Eva, 16/01 Already 2
JoEW; DS1, Conor, 22/02 Already 2
stuffedmk; DC2, Thomas, 23/03 Already 2
Poodle82; DC1, Joshua, 24/03 Already 2
LJB; DD2, Baby Girl, 26/03 Already 2
Aprilmeadow; DC4, Finn, 27/03 Happy 2nd Birthday!
Chillikat; Megan, 27/03 Happy 2nd Birthday!
Lowra; DC1, Amber, 27/03 Happy 2nd Birthday!
Petalouda; DC1, Felix, 28/03
Meg89; DC2, Teddy, 29/03
Alibabaandthe40nappies; DC2, Thomas, 28/03
Ulysses; Anna, 30/03
PussinJimmyChoos; DC2, Yaseen, 30/03
Liv77; DC2, Phoebe, 31/03
Thaney; DC1, Amelia, 05/04
Cyclebump; DS1, Henry, 05/04
NotAnotherNewNappy; DC2, Rosina, 06/04
BeetleBaby; DS1, Samuel, 07/04
rubybambini; DD1, Kitty, 08/04
Jaylar; DC2, Archer, 10/04
Kitstwins; DC3, 11/04
Sassy20; DD1, Lucy, 13/04
Daisy17; Seth, 13/04
JenAT; George David 16/04
Sats1977; DC1, Oliver, 20/04
Zafnoodles; DS1, Jacob, 18/04
lucieloo; DC1, George, 18/04
JKS; DC3, Mary, 20/04
Caramellokoalalover; DC2, Scarlett, 20/04
Frak; DC1, Marc, 21/04
AussieMum2Be; DD1, Dylan-Indianna 21/04
JollySergeantJackrum; DC1, Harris, 21/04
Chipsahoynicki; DC2, Isaac, 21/04
beckie90; DC2, Oliver Jack, 22/04
SaltedPretzels; DC3 Amelia, 23/04
MrsWajs; DC1, Robyn, 25/04
Natzer; April, 25/04
Tinwe; Hazel
Karoleann; DC3, Emily, 26/04
ecuse, DD1, Joanna, 27/04
ILikeToMoveItMoveIt; DC3, Ike, 28/04
LisMcA; DC1, Blair, 30/04
Architien; DC2 (DS1), Rose, 1/05
CountScoutula; DC1 Freda, 29/04
Trucha10; DC1 Evan, 10/05
Kittycatcat; DC1 Samuel, 11/05
+ Starshaped
How ya doin today fizz?
Hey,
Fizz, that sounds really tough. Hope things are getting easier.
F is two! He's had lots of presents and cake at nursery, and we're off to the zoo tomorrow!
I'm fine, SIL doesn't want to talk about mil. So that's it for now really! I've told dh to tell her if she doesn't want to talk then she can't turn round later and start depending we take mil or anything. We want to help her now, we are beginning. To realise how difficult it must be for her, but she has shut us off.
Mil is on no medication(?) for her ms at all, which I find odd. She does however take 2 paracetamol 4 times a day. Not prescribed, just over the counter. This worries me because a few years ago we fou d out she was taking one aspirin a day and had been for the last 5 years after the GP prescribed aspirin for some thing. Once the prescription was finished she just kept buying it herself to take. SIL has no idea of any medication she is on either. So we are in the dark. Mil goes to the GP on her own, so goodness knows what else she has been told/prescribed/referred for that she has forgotten.
Anyway! We are on holiday for a week now! No work til a week on Tuesday! Yippee!
happy Easter aprilites [bsmile]
Happy easter 
Going to view our first wedding venue today, so excited!!
Happy Easter all
V exciting mrsw. Loved planning our wedding
ooh MrsW! I waved on the way past yesterday! B is staying with my parents this weekend! Yay! We have just had our first full nights sleep where we woke on our own in abut 6 months! Dh has gone out to get breakfast and I've just had a bath 
Lunch out later and a mooch round the shops. All is good!
Happy Easter! We're not having the best though - poor M has been sick since Thursday (in a few years I'd say it was a hangover but clearly not at 2). We did think she was over the worst but threw up on me at 5.30 this morning
poor thing hasn't really eaten for 2 days now. My parents are over too which is the first time they've seen her since Christmas when she was also ill.
Hopefully she'll pick up today...
Happy Easter!
Like firefly we've been stricken with the sick bug
now not sure whether we'll be going to Mass tomorrow morning or not. Might be a case of taking it in shifts! Luckily there are multiple options in the parish.
Happy belated birthday to F and I forgot to check the list to see who's coming up. Not seen ali in a while but T is soon.
Aha, checked!
Happy belated birthday to T as well and happy birthday for tomorrow P! We shall wave across to you 
<<Waves back to Frak, Get Well Soon >>
Happy Easter
Yes P is 2 today
.
So i guess that means my baby days are officially over, I am feeling a strange mixture of
&
but am also very
and my family feels complete with 2 DC IYSWIM.
Happy birthday P.
Happy Easter everyone.
Hope the poorly mummy's and minis feel better very soon.
Hello, happy post-Easter!
I had a frightening dream last night. I dreamt I had realised I was pg when I could see/feel little hands and feet poking out of my belly. It was bizarre! I kept thinking "it's too soon!" I was trying to work out what we would do, since we can't pay for childcare for 2.
There was some other weirdness, but I can't remember now.
Anywho, I was surprised to find a hint of disappointment when I realised it was a dream. So maybe we will think of trying for number 2 at some point. Not for another year at least, though.
Hope everyone's feeling better. And having happy birthdays.
This relentless cold is starting to get me down.
Hi everyone!
Happy Birthday to April babies who are two already
We had a lovely day on T's birthday and then a party here on Friday for family.
Sorry to hear about all your troubles Fizz
I've been poorly on and off since the end of January and just felt really tired and run down. The sun coming out finally is helping, what would be more helpful though would be if T decided to sleep whole nights in his own bed
<yawn>
Sorry to hear about your poorlyness Ali.
The sun is out here today at last. It's still cold and gusty, but I don't mind that as long as it's bright. However, saying that I m heartily sick of my winter wardrobe. I have had the same clothes in rotation for 6 fecking months. I would usually be thinking about slipping my Birki's on about now. I also have some gorgeous thin leather moccasin type shoes that I thought would be perfect for spring, but it's been too cold to wear them.
I hope today goes smoothly for you kitty x
Anyone sick of chocolate yet? I'm not. There is something special about chocolate in Easter egg form 
Hi everyone, I'm out of touch but have had a quick read through.
Finally braved the dentist today (seriously nervous patient) - to be told to try a new toothpaste. Not sure if that can cure my horrendous toothache but I have to give it a go for 2 days at least. Feels like wishful thinking....
Quick catch up on birthdays:
Gormers; DD1, Eva, 16/01 Already 2
JoEW; DS1, Conor, 22/02 Already 2
stuffedmk; DC2, Thomas, 23/03 Already 2
Poodle82; DC1, Joshua, 24/03 Already 2
LJB; DD2, Baby Girl, 26/03 Already 2
Aprilmeadow; DC4, Finn, 27/03 Already 2
Chillikat; Megan, 27/03 Already 2
Lowra; DC1, Amber, 27/03 Already 2
Petalouda; DC1, Felix, 28/03 Already 2
Meg89; DC2, Teddy, 29/03 Already 2
Alibabaandthe40nappies; DC2, Thomas, 28/03 Already 2
Ulysses; Anna, 30/03 Already 2
PussinJimmyChoos; DC2, Yaseen, 30/03 Already 2
Liv77; DC2, Phoebe, 31/03 Already 2
Thaney; DC1, Amelia, 05/04
Cyclebump; DS1, Henry, 05/04
NotAnotherNewNappy; DC2, Rosina, 06/04
BeetleBaby; DS1, Samuel, 07/04
rubybambini; DD1, Kitty, 08/04
Jaylar; DC2, Archer, 10/04
Kitstwins; DC3, 11/04
Sassy20; DD1, Lucy, 13/04
Daisy17; Seth, 13/04
JenAT; George David 16/04
Sats1977; DC1, Oliver, 20/04
Zafnoodles; DS1, Jacob, 18/04
lucieloo; DC1, George, 18/04
JKS; DC3, Mary, 20/04
Caramellokoalalover; DC2, Scarlett, 20/04
Frak; DC1, Marc, 21/04
AussieMum2Be; DD1, Dylan-Indianna 21/04
JollySergeantJackrum; DC1, Harris, 21/04
Chipsahoynicki; DC2, Isaac, 21/04
beckie90; DC2, Oliver Jack, 22/04
SaltedPretzels; DC3 Amelia, 23/04
MrsWajs; DC1, Robyn, 25/04
Natzer; April, 25/04
Tinwe; Hazel
Karoleann; DC3, Emily, 26/04
ecuse, DD1, Joanna, 27/04
ILikeToMoveItMoveIt; DC3, Ike, 28/04
LisMcA; DC1, Blair, 30/04
Architien; DC2 (DS1), Rose, 1/05
CountScoutula; DC1 Freda, 29/04
Trucha10; DC1 Evan, 10/05
Kittycatcat; DC1 Samuel, 11/05
+ Starshaped
<<rumble of the washing machine and the scent of Febreeze in the air>>
P has jumped on the projectile vomiting bus this morning 
Associate fe breeze with vomit now! Yuk yuk yuk!
No vom here, only snot, but rivers of it! B is carrying on like a brave solider though!
Weather has turned here and it sunny, but still cold cold cold!
We are no further forward with MIL, but I'm not going to bring it on here anymore. You guys don't need my whinging.
JKS hope your tooth improves.
Gsy
Fizz - moan away, it sounds like an awful situation.
We're all ok here, it is really cold still though. DS1's Easter project was to go on a spring walk and spot what signs of spring we could see and write/draw them in his book. Answer - not very bloody many! 
Hello,
Sorry the MIL situation hasn't improved, Fizz.
GSY, sorry you've got the Vom, hope it passes soon.
I'm tearing my hair out (nearly literally) with F's sleep. I need your help.
Firstly, I know I don't have to be this angry/frustrated by it. But I am, and I don't know why it gets to me. It winds me up so much, I end up dropping him back into bed more and more roughly and angrily, I'm a bit worried I'll hurt him or something.
Bedtime every night is at least a 2 hour affair. Now (a clue to the frustration) I NEED to work every night, even (especially) in the holidays. I feel guilty, too, that it's work I'm prioritising over him when I'm out at work all day too. But the workload is insane and I'm the main earner and technically the only one with a job at the moment.
So we do bath/shower, pjs on, brush teeth, stories and a cup of warm milk. And then the ridiculous behaviour begins. He recently discovered he can open the doors, so not only is he hopping out of bed, but he's coming out of his room (doors are shut because of the cat) and running around.
It's all a big game. He'll run right back to bed. He asks me to sit with him and rub his back, but this turns into him kicking me or climbing over me and generally being horrible. You know when teenagers start being silly and doing things that wind you up, and then go "but I was just laughing that's not against the rules". It's like that. And I know he's 2, and not even capable of winding me up on purpose. But that's what it feels like.
This goes on for at least 2 hours every night. So till around 9pm.
Oddly, it doesn't happen at nap time. Which we've cut shorter and moved earlier, and are now going to try to cut out all together.
All the AP stuff I see bangs on about the naughty child having an unmet need or us having unrealistic expectations. I don't know what the need is... Except the need to run around downstairs with the tantrums increasing in frequency until he drops.
So tonight I've stuck the travel cot in his room so he at least can't run around. I feel guilty, but am less angry about it. DH has retreated downstairs.
So, if you've read all that, thank you! 
Any ideas of why this is happening? What can I do about it.
I've got exam papers to mark this holiday and am back to work on the 15th, whereupon I start doing examining in the evenings (as well as the usual). glutton for punishment
Wow, I feel better already. 

UBW - is bedtime here so just a v.quick post. Is there a reason DH can't take over so you can work and remove that element of the stress?
Back later with ideas - having been where you are with both mine and come out the other side just about sane!!
He's got work to do too. More, in fact, as he's training to join the same circus profession!
He is one of the best though, we're about as equal as you can get.
Although he's not being particularly helpful right now.
We now have quiet, at least. I think we might put the sides back on his cot tomorrow, I don't think he can climb out yet.
We have sleep, a whole hour earlier than yesterday.
Defo sides back on to break the habit/remove the distraction, I think.
...marking time...
UBW, we're having a nightmare bedtime tonight too. Non-nap days mean easy bedtime but she had an hour and a half this afternoon and though I appreciated the time then she's howling now. Bars are still on the cot but she wants hugging to sleep, not stories, at the moment and I'm finding it more and more difficult to put her back in due to my expanding belly. For some reason only mummy hugs will do. Oh, we had a lovely routine just a few weeks ago. I wish it would come back.
In other news, 20 week scan today was fine. Correct limbs and organs in the right places and a good heartbeat. Due date still August.
Ok just checking 
Definitely agree with sides back on. T is nowhere near ready for a bed, he would be in and out like a jack in the box.
With DS1 we waited until he would go to bed and go to sleep with no problems before we put him in a bed rather than a cot.
Both of ours have gone through phases of getting really upset and also naughty at bedtime. What has worked for us with them both is just sitting quietly in the room, not speaking. DH and I used to rotate nights, took about an hour initially and dropped quickly. They both still like us to be there when they drop off, but now it takes 5-10 minutes so it doesn't get in the way of evening at all.
Fingers crossed you get a good night!
X-posts - good news about the scan Green 
Thanks folks. 
20 weeks already firefly?! Glad all is well too! 
We took the sides off at half term, and for most of the last 5 weeks he's been fine. I'd just sit on the end of his bed and rub his back for half an hour and he'd drift off.
The last week or so (maybe more, I can't remember) he's steadily got worse, culminating in realising he can open the door and get out a few days ago.
The nap change seemed to help initially, but I think he still needs a sleep in the day I do
Sides back on tomorrow then. Good job he's still got little legs!
Thank you all 
Gosh, I've not been on for ages. Happy Easter to all and
,
and sympathy to all those who are ill, looking after poorly ones or coping with family strife!
20 weeks firefly - erh, wow! Is it just me, or is this pregnancy flying for you? Did you find out if you're brewing a mini firefly boy or girl, or are you having a surprise <nosy>. Super news that everything went well with the scan either way 
I've said it before and I'll say it again, but it is for exactly the reasons that UBW has mentioned that the sides are staying on our cot and DD is staying in her sleeping bag for the time being.
Bedtime has crept later here over the last few weeks (largely due to her begging for more and more stories) but she usually goes in the cot and chats to herself for a bit before going to sleep. We had terrible problems getting to this point and I'm too much of a wimp to do anything that might rock the status quo at the moment!
In other news, I'm getting more and more broody. I think it might be time to start thinking about number two. Eek! We're still in a two bedroom place and I had been putting it off until we're somewhere bigger but I'm increasingly coming round to thinking that there might never be a good time, so we should really just get on with it!
If he was good in the bed, he may well get back to that. So if you feel putting the sides back on is too backward a step, have you considered a gate on the door?
Just a pressure one so no holes.
Had that for DS1 (he moved into a bed early so the cot was free for DS2). Sometimes he would cry at the gate (he certainly buggered up the door handle opening & closing it loads...) and sometimes he would set up a camp on the floor by the gate and sleep there.
It kept him in there though and meant I knew he was safe.
I didn't leave him howling for hours or anything, just so you know! would go back and settle him etc.
when he was dropping his nap, that was the worst time.
tooth still bad.
We'll find out at the end what flavour mini firefly is 
What wasn't great was the sonographer mistaking my lumpy scar for knicker elastic and trying to tuck the paper behind it [major ouch!]
Twentieth we got to this stage by deciding there might never be a 'right' time and just going for it. And I'm now worrying about the house chain getting longer and who knows when we might move, though we've asked the solicitor to kick some arse 
Good plan, JKS, we've got another gate in the garage, so maybe we'll try that tomorrow before the major engineering of putting the sides back on!
Ouch, firefly! Hope she was better with sonography than anatomy!
OK, I'm confused who is on the baby bus. Firefly, yup! I'm not going to mention other names here, but twentieth, I thought you were.
How many on the bus? 4?
No, I'm not on it at the moment - I'm still finishing up a pack of pills so there's no chance of any immediate announcements.
I am thinking about it a lot if that counts! Watch this space...
UBW hope bedtime improves very soon.
We wed to take the sides off soon as he has to sleep in a bed in Spain.
i had a run in with mil yest. Well more of a run out!
I pointed out Alex had SAMs socks on. She said did it matter. I said yes as Sam won't have spares. She said he had loads. As I was saying only cos I packed 4 outfits forgetting it was a short week she said that's enough kittycat and walked off to her room. I put Alex in the car (Sam already in) slammed all doors, sped off after saying ;ffs) which I think only fil heard. I just left fil standing there. I pulled up til I'd calmed down. Thing is she asked me to make food but cos I was only doing bananas for desserts took it upon herself to buy hipp jars which I haven't given Alex (desserts) without asking. I have to be careful cos of his reflux. He can't have yoghurts. She's made and blended chicken soup when he hasn't had meat yet. Yest fil put Alex's sweat button up top on Sam and didn't notice til it was on and done up. Too many things too soon. I should be able to say shouldn't I? But I can't cos its mil! Top it off Alex was sick with his bottle.
Dh says Alex has a cold and that makes him sick. He doesn't want to call incase she says she only gave him my food. I get what he means. He can't understand why she stropped. I said sounds more to it. There was from my point of view. I said if I can't talk to her about socks without her losing it how can I talk to her about anything. I can't because she isn't approachable, he agrees. I said its not right that I can't talk to her or that she makes decisions. I said we should lead and she should follow not the other way round. He knows all that and agrees but also knows what she's like! I explained how hard it is when its family. It would be easier if paid childcare. He knows she will just say I'm rude, again I know this. Whereas I think she's out of order. She should be pussy footing around me not the other way round.
I'd already decided the boys were going dressed next week. We were sending Sam dressed in the end because she'd put him in socks and sandals, vests and shorts instead of t shirt and shorts. Argh. He said he will speak to them before Sunday and play it down because its over socks. I did say maybe we do need to talk to her. Explain why it happened, that she isn't approachable. Doubt he will tho.
Greenfirefly excellent re scan except scar bit. Ouch.
Fizz how's things?
Oh kitty, that is so hard. I thought my mum might be like that when she has B to stay, but she has really surprised me. She called and asked if he could have some rice pudding and then later for some chocolate buttons from an Easter egg! The only thing I've had to hammer home is salt. My dad is a salt fiend, so much so I can barely eat his cooking now. I believe her when she says she puts no salt in his food. My dad thinks I'm ridiculous, but at least she understands.
Can you sit down, explain about As reflux and what the effects of giving him the wrong thing could be? Be calm, print out stuff so she can see for her self, explain it isn't a criticism, its a really tricky thing to manage and you would prefer that anything new A has is done by you so you can monitor the reaction.
The socks might be a red herring here. I can see how annoying it is, but it does no harm really does it. You just feel like you have no control ove the situation. I get that. It's so hard leaving them. But I would pick you battles. Mil will hear you going on about socks and won't see the harm. But the reflux thing can do harm. That's what you need to talk to her about.
How are you feeling in yourself? Going back to work was my trigger if you remember. When I realised how out of sorts I actually was. I overreacted to small things. I'm not saying you are overreacting here, but maybe something to think about. I can't remember if you saw your GP before. Just remember there are people out there who can help you. Least of all us here. 
((((Hugs))))
20 weeks already firefly
how did that happen?!
I certainly will watch this space 20th
ds3 was conceived because we couldn't come up with any more reasons not to. We swayed this way and that, and then just thought 'sod it', let's just go for it!
Tough situation kitty, your IL's are probably finding it a real adjustment too. It's tricky in situations like this when family are involved.
Please feel free to talk about your MIL here fizz, it sounds like quite a complex situation - especially with your sil's involvement.
Ds2 was sick in his bed during the night. He managed to contain it to just his sheet - hurrah. Dh done the bed changing while M had a cuddle in bed with me. However I came downstairs to a pile of sheets with dried sick on. Why oh why did he not get rid of the debris and put them straight into the machine last night?!

Men, iLike, just men! Probably the exact same reason dh tried wafting his hand under the smoke alarm when it went off last night when I was cooking tea! He would have been better farting at it!! I flung a tea towel at him but forgot it had fallen in the sink. Wet slap in the chops with a tea towel did not go down well! B thought it was hilarious!
She knows fizz. It old her yoghurts make him sick so he can't have them. I didn't know she would go and buy other stuff without asking. She buys all the food, formula and nappies which makes it even harder. She had asked me to make Alex's food until he was on what everyone else ears. She then pulled a face when dh gave her three weeks worth and told me she had blended chicken soup. Again she shouldn't have. The only times we have fallen out its because I've talked back or given my opinion. Even dh agrees she's unapproachable. They are often scared to tell her stuff cos of her reaction. I think I would have let the socks go if I wasn't would up about everything else.
With regards to me I feel ok. Work has new a breeze. Sure the novelty will wear off.
Wish I could look after the boys myself.
Wet slap with tea towel made me laugh 
Can you put the shiters up her then and say you are looking at nursery for the boys? She might tow he party line if sh thinks she might lose them.
Is fil more approachable?
Fil won't get involved. He always stays neutral.
She knows we can't afford it.
I don't know what else to say Kitty
. Horrible when you feel over a barrel. Can I suggest
????
Ha ha at wafting a hand under the smoke alarm!
We are now smoke alarmed to the max here. A couple of weekends ago our elderly neighbour hammered on our door. She had smoke billowing out from her garage. 2 fire engines arrived and I think they believe the fire started because something fell down the back of the freezer and the series of events started there. There wasn't a great deal of fire damage, but a huge amount of smoke damage.
We've been meaning to sort an all singing all dancing smoke alarm system out for a while, but have been putting it off until the renovations are complete. But after what happened next door we've put in a wireless system.
Speaking of renovations, I took the boys out for a walk yesterday, got back home and the back of the house was missing. Dh had decided that it was the right time to start the kitchen renovations. We're having bi-fold doors in there. But you have to make the hole, measure it, then order the doors - which take 6-8 weeks to arrive
It's just the right time of year to remove half of the back wall
THERE IS SNOW IN THE AIR HERE TODAY !!!!!!!!!
Oh my god ILike! Do you fancy camping in Scotland! It might be warmer!
Thermals, hot water bottles and cosy socks!
X post by me there. Sounds like your mil is the matriarch kitty . I hope you can find a compromise.
Luckily the living room isn't too cold - or maybe I'm just getting used to it!
I need to get my monkey arse off of MN and do some housework - that will warm me up!
Argh - ILike what a nightmare! However,
at bifold doors
kitty I don't really know what to advise. If she is your only option for childcare then you have to let some stuff slide and focus on the food. Really it ought to be your DH sitting her down for a chat, not fair for it to always be you.
Could you pay for childcare for A for 6 months while you get past the weaning and reflux and leave S with her?
T awake loads in the night again last night. Despite a long walk, no nap and a good dinner. <weeps>
ILike - 6-8 weeks?!?!!
hope the weather warms up asap!!!
Kitty - hugs &
from me. She sounds like a nightmare tbh. My main things to say would be, make DH deal with things if poss & hang in there, they'll be at school soon enough (too soon) and she won't get to wind you up so much. Sympathies though, I get on with my MIL yet if she was looking after my DC she would make comments that would wind me up no end. She does anyway but I can try to rise above it and I know she means well deep down. If you can't be sure of that then it must be awful.
Fizz - do offload, as outsiders maybe we can even help, never know.
DD is currently being called either a monster-in-a-fairy-dress or 'the destroyer of all'
& <sigh> she is a whirlwind. DH took her out shopping earlier & it was so peaceful & calm with just the 2 boys here!
Bring on school! (don't mean that really!)
Ugh MIL sounds like a horror kitty mine is much the same!! Hope you can come to some agreement with her.
Fizz Like everyone else has said, feel free to vent about your MIL too, we're all here to help if we can or even just listen.
Congrats on scan Firefly I saw your pic on fb - lovely!
I'm 19 weeks tomorrow and scan is in 13 days!! I wish it would hurry up! I feel mahoosive, definitely got a lot bigger this time, I almost weigh the same as I did when I gave birth to R!! I'm a tad worried that I'm going to pile on 4 stone this time and end up stretch-marked to death!
I think there is one other "on the bus" so to speak but she didn't want it to be on MN.
Not much else to report here, R is a cheeky monkey and has started hitting A LOT - any tips on deterring this?? I think she's just copying her brother but it's completely unacceptable.
So only 3 on the bus. I thought it was 4! I also know 4 in RL expecting around sept/October time, that's probably why I am confused! It's not difficult to confuse me!
B has shared his cold! Yuk!
So the inlaws haven't been in touch. They've spoken to and see their other son. Fil had apparently told dh he would call fri night. But hasn't. We are supposed to be round theirs Sunday for dh's birthday. I've told him to call them tomorrow. I'm so gonna be the baddy. I reckon dh will play it down too instead of telling it how it is. It shot me in a right flap. I had a slight panic attack yest cos s wouldn't eat his dinner and a was crying. I walked off and had a fight with my mattress.
Oh kitty, ((hugs)) does dh know about how this is making you feel?
Dh called while I'm out and got read the riot act. I behaved unacceptably. Dh told them my feelings and they said be that as it may they will do their best or we find a plan b. we are at theirs tomorrow for dh's birthday. They've said it will be ok but it's not is it. And I now know I can't say anything. They consider them to he their boys those three days. I'm stuck. As far as unconcerned its ruined my friendship with them and I will do what I must for as long as necessary.
Oh kitty. Realistically can you get paid for childcare? You and DH can put away £243 gross in vouchers each (if yr companies provide them) that equate to around £150 net depending on tax codes etc so a joint saving of around £160 per month by using them. many nurseries/childminders do sibling discounts. Plus S will be getting his 15 nursery hours (is it 2 or 3 in England? They are running a trial here from 2). It might not be as unrealistic as you thnk.
I know this wont be helping you just now, please speak to you GP about the panic attacks, it isn't a bad thing to ask for help. Many of us have done it.
My work do them fizz. I will ask min. It's 15 free hours from 3.
I think I might need to see my gp you know.
I am dreading tomorrow
Kitty what a horrible situation. You would think they would be desperate to do the right things with A's reflux at the very least.
Do go and see your GP, you're having tough time and like Fizz says there is nothing wrong in asking for help to get through that.
Kitty, hope tomorrow goes ok. Not sure what the answer is long term.
Poor M fell into the side of a nest of tables tonight. She has a line on her forehead about an inch and a half long and a huge egg of a lump. I put a cold tea towel on it straight away which she hated but has hopefully reduced the swelling a bit. We then had to get her ready for bed trying not to touch it. She seems to be sleeping ok but i keep going in to check on her. She's also got a bruised cheek form the table and all this to go with a graze next to her eye from falling onto a bucket the other day. She looks like she's been in a fight
and of course we're seeing the health visitor for her 2 year check on wednesday.
Oh Firefly, sorry but I had a little laugh there, they pick the best times to do that don't they! I'm just glad to hear B isn't the only on with a death wish!
How are you feeling this morning Kitty? Are you still going to the out laws for lunch?
Hope m is ok firefly
My stomach is in knots but I have to go don't I. Dreading it. I think they are more annoyed about my outburst and storming off without saying bye even tho mother f@cker... Sorry mil walked off!!!
Go, hold your head high, keeps your babies close and remember you are their mother not her. You know what's is best for them. Mil will be looking for a reaction from you. It will P her off no end to not get one. If she starts, cut her off quickly with one liner. "I thought you said everything you needed to say yesterday" or "today is DHs day, don't spoil it" or my particular favourite "here is a one way ticket to fucksville, when you get there fuck off some more" maybe don't say that.
Have you any literature on reflux? I would copy it for MIL and just leave it with her to read. If she cares as much as she says she will read it, and hopefully understand why it is so important to only give him what you pack for him.
Haha fizz. Love that. She used to be a midwife so will just be insulted even tho things change.
I've got spare clothes ready to leave for the week and no more. The boys are going dressed tomorrow!
Midwive deal with fanjos and tiny babies last time I checked. Does she really think she is the expert in children? Sheesh!
Good idea about sending them dressed, don't give her more responsibility than you need to until you can get something sorted.
She really does fizz
Are you alive Kitty? Is MIL still alive? Is anyone wearing food? 
M's face isn't half as bad as I feared. Slight bruise to her cheek and a red line on her forehead but I think the cold compress helped a lot.
Kitty, I hope you survived today!
That's good Firefly. DD is always running into things (doors, table legs, toys...) and I always fear the worse but luckily the marks seem to fade quite quickly. Not what you need before a visit to the HV though!
Everything ok kitty? Hope it was better than expected.
True to their word it was like nothing had happened. I feel better about everything but still don't want it for more than a year.
A is ill. Three up milk yest. Terrible night resulting in co sleeping from 230. Sick with milk this am. Bought up his dinner tonight. Think its caused by a slight runny nose and cough.
Hey Kitty - sympathies. Glad today is over at least.
Spent a lot of time at the beach today, cold but gorgeous sunshine, lovely.
And DD was so much better on the beach than last year, really hoping we get to spend lots of time there this summer - without her eating half of it! 
Us Brits are the masters of ignoring the elephant in the room aren't we
Like Fizz said, MW's wouldn't know very much about reflux. They wouldn't need to. The vast majority of babies are signed off at 10 days old.
We had a lovely day today. We went to the NT estate in the village and they had Napoleonic re- enactors there. They were really good. A whole camp with different types of soldiers in (cavalry, French soldiers, Scots Guards etc), marching, artillery display. The sun was shining and the boys could run around to their hearts content.
Oh, and ds3's new phrase? 'in your face'. i Don't know whether to be
or proud!
LOL ILike! DD says 'shh, norty, baby sleeping' whenever I'm saying anything she doesn't want to hear

Haha love the phrases. S is a chatterbox now and remembers so much stuff.
I also get shh'd when I am saying something he doesn't want to hear - or when I sing
I'm trying to decide what to do today. Judging by their current behaviour, the boys need a run - they really are like dogs at times! Maybe we'll go and visit the new sheep in a paddock near us. I think they've been put there to clear the overgrown grass so the horses can go back there when it gets warmer.
Ds2 is off to his Granny's this arvo. So I think I'll take ds3 into town and get some birthday cards and presents. Ds2 seems to have a party to go to nearly every weekend at the moment. I think tea and cake may have to happen too - it would be rude not to!
Ello! I'm football widow tonight, Man U v city! Very tense. B is asleep in the spare room, he appears to be terrified/really angry at his cot just now. Maybe time to take the sides off?
Kitty, how were things today?
It was all fine fizz. They seemed to being trying to ease off a bit so maybe something sunk in a bit. Just little things like asking if I wanted s's coat on (I don't In the car). Dh told mil to wind a alot today (without me prompting) as he's been poorly and he was fine. Looked into childcare vouchers at work. Can't afford it but it'll help when a starts in a year.
Still not called the doc.
We are taking the sides of S's cot in a week cos he has to sleep in abed in Spain. You go first and report back 
I'm getting some telephone counselling through the NHS it say only Scotland on my link, but I would think that there would be something similar where you are. Speaking to your GP doesn't have to mean pills.
Thanks fizz. I will look tomorrow.
Dh is ill. Upset tum and wiped out. S is ill v and d. A has been sick. Poss poo too judging by the smell in their room but I'm not waking him. Fil has v and d. Sil has upset time so does dnc. Dnp been sick. Dbil sick. So that leaves me... Starting to feel a bit off. And dmil. Dfil said they best not have the boys tomorrow in case dmil gets it so waiting to see what the morning brings for me and dh. Dh never gets ill. He's doing a marathon Sunday. I hope he's ok.
Oh no, Kitty, how grim.
Not what you need just as you were getting into the swing of things.
S not himself today. Prob exhausted. I've just put him to bed with dh. I've stayed home as there's nobody to have the boys but I don't feel 100% myself. Hopefully just tiredness.a ok so far.
Oh kitty, how rubbish for you all. Hopefully it will be on its way out soon, luckily d&v doesn't tend to hang around. Be scrupulous about hand washing and hopefully you'll be ok, fingers crossed.
We have had to cancel our plans today. Ds2 has had a coldsore come up and we were due to meet some friends. One of the children is immuno compromised, and being around coldsores is a real no no.
I think a day of baking may be on the cards. Ds2 is manageable in the kitchen, but ds3 is like a bloody whirlwind. I could need wine with my lunch ......
Anyone else watching the Great British Sewing Bee? I feel inspired but have zero talent!
kitty - erugh how rubbish. Hope you are all feeling better soon.
T is driving me up the wall. Yesterday he grabbed DS1's glasses off his face and broke them - this is the new pair we have had for about a fortnight, after being without glasses for two weeks while we ordered new ones - because T had broken the previous pair too!! I absolutely lot the plot and really yelled at him, and then felt awful. Fortunately the lovely people in Boots had identical spare frames and were able to swap them straight away and didn't charge me. No idea how that has worked, but there we are.
Then this morning he totally wrecked my room while I was in the shower. Cleaner comes on Wednesday so it needs to be tidy, and we are going to see my grandma for the day once we get out of the door.
What can I do with him? He says sorry but then does something else violent and destructive the next minute/hour/day. <counts to 1000>
ILike - I have no talent either, none whatsoever. Would love to be able to make my own stuff, how awesome!
I'm not surprised you had the rage over the glasses. Ds3 is somewhat wild and feral at the moment.
Whilst some of it is his personality, I also think a great deal of his undesirable behaviour is learnt from ds2. Ds2's behaviour is mostly fab, but ds3 always picks up on small bits of the awful behaviour. We have had hitting and attempted biting from ds3 - mostly directed at ds2 when they are playing 'rough games', and Lordy they are rough with each other.
It's a difficult one because for so long we have told M to be careful and gentle with I. But I can really hold his own now, and is almost dominating M in rough games. Mostly because M doesn't retaliate, he just defends himself. I'm not saying I want M to beat the crap out of I, I just wish he would grab him and tell him 'no', instead of retreating.
I is good at saying sorry, but I really don't think he comprehends what it means, he's just learnt to say it after he's done something he shouldn't.
So, no I don't have any words of wisdom, but I do hear you Ali 
Sounds like your two are similar to mine in lots of ways. They are really rough with each other, and T is now only a few pounds lighter than L although a lot shorter. L gets upset when T really goes for him, it feels the wrong way round to be telling the little one not to beat up his brother!!
Today has been tough, T a real handful. He fell and split his eyebrow open not long after we arrived at my grandmas, blood everywhere which really frightened me but he was fine. Just destructive as normal!
Once the weather improves a bit more then I will just send them outside to wrestle 
I'm an older sister, I was always being beaten up by my younger sister growing up. I went bald because of her pulling my hair!! My mum rationalises it as I never had to fight for her attention until dsis came along when I was 4, where as dsis has always had to compete so learned to beat me up
I'm a lover not a fighter!
Unofficially, we are ttc! I thought we might be on this month timing wise but AF just arrived a week early
<eats chocolate> if it happens it happens!
Woo for TTC Fizz How exciting!! 
Ali & ILTMI R sounds a lot like your DS's which is a worry since she's a girl!! She is very destructive and aggressive just now, hitting, shouting, screwing her face up and pouting to name but a few. She also pushed DSS down the stairs last week! But I think that may have been in retaliation for him doing the same to her the week before!? When you find the magical cure you will let me know, right?
We have yet to draw blood from injury, which I'm grateful for but I just know it can't be far away!
Kitty You sound like you're going through the mill a bit with bugs!! Hope everyone feels better soon and that you don't come down with it too. And I agree wholeheartedly with Fizz and the others when they say speak to your GP. You sound a lot like I did with R, just coping and no more, thinking about going to the GP and then putting it off cus you feel a bit better again. Please go and see them, it will honestly help enormously. My one regret was that I didn't go sooner.x
Oooh I almost forgot, 20 week scan is in exactly 1 week!!! Finally!! 
I am dreading the fighting stage (Is it a stage?!)
Very exciting fizz. Sends choc.
Mrs w are you going to try to find out if its knickers or y fronts?
S has just bought up his breakfast. He wasn't ill yest just grumpy and sleepy. Had weetabix for breakfast. Ate half so I gave him some tea and bleugh up it all came. Will it ever end.
I must call the doc. I could do with not taking the boys tho. Might ask a mate to have them for me for half hour.
Fizz - eek exciting! When you say AF is early, what kind of AF? Lighter than normal??
MrsW - good luck for the scan! The magical cure is the eldest going to school. Mine get on brilliantly during term time 
Defo go without the boys if you can kitty, if you're anything like me you'll find it difficult to concentrate on talking to the GP when the kids are poking and proding everything that they shouldn't be!
Fab news Fizz, enjoy the swit
Good luck for next week mrsW 
The fighting at the moment is mostly play fighting. It has defo got worse over the Easter holidays,i guess they're not used to being around each other so much. They're also better when they are outside burning off energy. Infact they play beautifully when running around outdoors. We have all the wet and cold weather gear so they can go outside all year round, but it's just not the same as when it's warm outside and they have minimum clothing restricting their movements.
We're off to a messy play session this morning. Old clothes are a must - for me and them!
X-posts Ali. Has this holiday made you think about the SIX WEEK holiday in the summer too? I think I'm going to start booking in activities, trips and visits now!
ILike - yes!! I was thinking last night that as soon as DS1 is back at school on Monday I need to start making a plan. We are hoping to go away for a week, and there are a couple of family things happening as a starting point. I'm wondering about a play scheme for DS1 for a few days spread over a fortnight just to give them a bit of a break from each other.
Normal AF Ali, no chance it could be implantation, don't think I hadn't thought it might be that! My cycle is a law unto itself. Was regularly between 35-38 days for the last 5/6, but its just snuck in with a 29! So who knows!
Cycles always do odd things when TTC, thinking about TTC or during the 2ww. It's sods law and very bloody annoying.
Looking around at what's on offer in the area during the summer holidays, it looks like ds2 is too young to attend. Eek. I need the pre school to do a few holiday sessions 
Fizz - sorry, old habits!
ILike - that was the problem I had last summer, everywhere only takes kids once they have actually started school. I expect the ratios they need for preschoolers make it prohibitively expensive - shame! 
ali there is a business opportunity there! There is a soft play centre near here that does supervised sessions for over 3s. They cost 3 times the price of a normal session, but for two hours of peace, as MasterCard says ..... Priceless!
One of us is in Hull I think, anyone want to try this out?
It fizz btw!!
That's one hell of a name change!!??
I'm not keeping it. There's a sniff of a name change competition and I've been mentioned in the op!! I'll always be fizz!
But my god the yoni threads have had me in stitches tonight!
Hello! Sorry i have been off here for a while- just marking my place. Hopefully will catch up!
Fizz- loving the yoni threads too lol
So Fizz if you win the Yoni contest are you going to accept the prize of a session with Brian 
WTF is a yoni!???
Click on the link Fizz/JonBonYoni put above, all will be revealed.
Ummm, well, hull is a bit far from me. I could accept via video link up or send one of you lot in my place. Any takers?
Good god is he for real. Eugh.
Ion. I had an upset tum last night and am pretty sure its not going anywhere. Changed S's worst nappy ever this morning. Going to get him some diarilte later.
not read the whole of that thread fizz, but I think I'm busy for the next... oh forever so won't try it out. I Di know a Becky married to a Steve though 
Ha, you'll never be able to look at Steve without thinking about Becky's yoni again 
Get Well Soon Kitty and S. 
DS turned 5
today, I don't know where the time has gone. I am feeling a bit sick but can only blame it on the amount of Choc Dinosaur Birthday Cake I have just consumed, it was lush. (Ordered from Waitrose, don't ya know)
because my mum gets staff discount
YoniHuman are you our islander?
Kitty - hugs &
hope you're all ok.
Back from my parents, worn out & lots of washing to catch up on, sigh. It was worth it though, I want the DC to spend time with GPs, just prefer it when they come here!
Bit late but birthday time:
Gormers; DD1, Eva, 16/01 Already 2
JoEW; DS1, Conor, 22/02 Already 2
stuffedmk; DC2, Thomas, 23/03 Already 2
Poodle82; DC1, Joshua, 24/03 Already 2
LJB; DD2, Baby Girl, 26/03 Already 2
Aprilmeadow; DC4, Finn, 27/03 Already 2
Chillikat; Megan, 27/03 Already 2
Lowra; DC1, Amber, 27/03 Already 2
Petalouda; DC1, Felix, 28/03 Already 2
Meg89; DC2, Teddy, 29/03 Already 2
Alibabaandthe40nappies; DC2, Thomas, 28/03 Already 2
Ulysses; Anna, 30/03 Already 2
PussinJimmyChoos; DC2, Yaseen, 30/03 Already 2
Liv77; DC2, Phoebe, 31/03 Already 2
Thaney; DC1, Amelia, 05/04 Already 2
Cyclebump; DS1, Henry, 05/04 Already 2
NotAnotherNewNappy; DC2, Rosina, 06/04 Already 2
BeetleBaby; DS1, Samuel, 07/04 Already 2
rubybambini; DD1, Kitty, 08/04 Already 2
Jaylar; DC2, Archer, 10/04 Already 2
Kitstwins; DC3, 11/04 Already 2
Happy Birthday for tomorrow:
Sassy20; DD1, Lucy, 13/04
Daisy17; Seth, 13/04
JenAT; George David 16/04
Sats1977; DC1, Oliver, 20/04
Zafnoodles; DS1, Jacob, 18/04
lucieloo; DC1, George, 18/04
JKS; DC3, Mary, 20/04
Caramellokoalalover; DC2, Scarlett, 20/04
Frak; DC1, Marc, 21/04
AussieMum2Be; DD1, Dylan-Indianna 21/04
JollySergeantJackrum; DC1, Harris, 21/04
Chipsahoynicki; DC2, Isaac, 21/04
beckie90; DC2, Oliver Jack, 22/04
SaltedPretzels; DC3 Amelia, 23/04
MrsWajs; DC1, Robyn, 25/04
Natzer; April, 25/04
Tinwe; Hazel
Karoleann; DC3, Emily, 26/04
ecuse, DD1, Joanna, 27/04
ILikeToMoveItMoveIt; DC3, Ike, 28/04
LisMcA; DC1, Blair, 30/04
Architien; DC2 (DS1), Rose, 1/05
CountScoutula; DC1 Freda, 29/04
Trucha10; DC1 Evan, 10/05
Kittycatcat; DC1 Samuel, 11/05
+ Starshaped
Yes BonYoni, sorry probably should have mentioned that really. Ill probably keep my Yoni name for nowcuntilminspiration strikes
Bloody predictive text how did now until inspiration turn into nowcuntilminspiration. Although Cuntilminspiration does sounds like something Brian would be doing. 





We have sun! The sky is blue and cloudless. We are going out this morning - whether the boys like it or not!
I read the yoni thread on Friday afternoon. Who knew?!
Enjoy the weekend 
My baby is celebrating his 2nd birthday by being a right old grump.
Feeling a bit sad, wanted the whole day to be happy happy happy. Someone tell me I'm being silly......sure he'll cheer up later and so will we!
Awh. I would feel the same daisy. Happy birthday S. big smiles for mummy please.
Thanks, Kitty. Think he's growing and very tired, also we've done lots of relative visiting over the hols which he loves and goes into a decline when everyone disappears - when he gets back from the shops with DP his grandparents will be here which should make him totally manic cheer him up no end. And ladybird cake later! 
Hope you've had a better week.
Saw the ladybird on FB
once he gets sugar on him and if his grandparents wind him up like Bs do, y will have a happy smiley giggly little boy very soon!
Love the ladybird cake
Free to a good home. Toddler. Almost two. Answers to the name of S.
Can only offer an exchange, answers to B, currently trying to eat my sausage sandwich.
Sorry, no exchange deals here after all, S woke up from his nap on his birthday in a completely different mood and had a fabulous time at his party.
He even recognised that his cake was a ladybird - YAY! My baby is 2. Wow....
No swaps here either. M is lovely at the moment learning new words every day and making me smile lots.
I've got a taste for popcorn at the moment and she seems to enjoy feeding it to me. I think this may come in very useful when I'm feeding new baby
.
We've had a weekend of parties - Friday and Saturday 2 year old parties and a christening today. Next weekend should be quieter - just the one party!
kitty I would swap for a bit but I'm not sure you'd want him
Took the boys swimming today. T wriggled out of my grip and swam himself over to DH - ok he was wearing armbands but we were pretty impressed seeing as he hasn't been in the water since before Christmas.
Sleep still no better though, I cannot work out what the hell to do.
What's going on with the sleep (or lack of) Ali?
I likes to keep us on our toes with his sleep. We could never accuse him of being predictable......
Another sunny day here, it reached 20c yesterday but was very windy so felt cooler. We had our first BBQ of 2013, burgers on the BBQ are just the best.
We're having a quiet morning at home. Hopefully the boys will run off their beans in the garden. Back to pre school tomorrow 
He just doesn't do much of it ILike! He never has, never settled into a nice routine of napping or anything even when he was a baby. Literally as soon as he can drag his eyelids open he is awake and hits the ground running.
Yesterday he didn't nap, and then went to bed at 8 as normal. Awake at 5.15 for the day. He's asleep now because we've been out and he's slept in the car but I will have to wake him soon else he will be awake at 2am wanting to chat and sing songs. Argh.
Went to see a friend this morning who had a baby last week. Lots of snuffly cuddles 
BBQ? Whaasat?? It pissed with rain here yesterday but it was warmer....
Went to wedding fayre at my preferred wedding venue yesterday, I wish we could just book it!!
20 week scan is this Thursday! Yay, finally! I'm signed off work now until Friday so trying to take it easy but it's badly timed as we are moving house on Friday so I kind of need to pack! 
For those who's LOs have turned 2 already what did you get them as presents? We have got R a happy land house and people, clothes, Finding Nemo DVD - she's obsessed with fish and we were also going to get her a goldfish (yes, I do think we're insane) oh and a couple of books too. That's plenty isn't it? Or too much even? I can't decide. We didn't really get her anything for her 1st birthday as I didn't see the point so think I'm making up for it now that she knows what's happening.
Oh mrsW is it the place bringing with F that you likes on FB?
Ooh a good fish!! B would love that! My sister has gone mad on happy land. I secretly think she has bought all the things she wants to play with! We are thinking about a little trampoline from us. My parents will go mad on clothes and books, so I'll maybe get some car and tucks as that's all he is interested in right now.
Did I mention I have ticke tot see meatloaf in Sheffield on Friday? But I've just heard he cancelled his gig in Nottingham last night! This happened with Michael Jackson, I got tickets, then he popped his clogs. I hope meat doesn't.
Fizz - hope he doesn't cancel or even worse pop his clogs before Fri.
We've got DD a Little Tikes house - it's huge but was only £5.50 on ebay - collection nearby so i couldn't resist! I've bought a few more bits to go with it. A princess <sigh> aquadraw that a friend has handed down. And some chocolate. That's it so far.
I've just written down the cost so far and it's only 20-odd quid. Think she'll get a money transfer into her savings account to make up for it.
We're planning a picnic in the local park with whoever wants to join us on the day (Sat) - it is forecast dry...so far. So i'll do some cakes & take along some balloons.
MIL is coming so I'm sure she'll bring tonnes a few bits. She's asked for ideas but i haven't come up with anything <bad mummy>
DD's sleep is still good, thankfully. But she's just coming out (hopefully) of a crying when left stage which isn't nice. She seems to want to keep her door open to fall asleep so that seems to be working atm.
I bloody love meatloaf. Saw him a few tears ago. The band are ill apparently. Fingers crossed fizz
Kitty, the more I learn about you the more alike I think we are!!
I thought the same thing fizz
Sorry to bring it down....
Boston marathon

and
My Mum's myeloma (bone cancer) has come back.
we knew it would & that it was coming soon.
is there a support thread for cancer on MN for people's parents?
I don't want to put stuff on FB as my Mum is on there. Trying to be cool, she last had treatment in 2001 (was in hosp for Sept 11). She's done very well so far and had over a decade drug-free. but still.
am on the 
Oh JKS
I'm so sorry. I have no knowledge of myeloma, but you know we are here for you whenever you need to talk. Maybe pop on to the tamoxifen thread, those ladies seen to know a lot about that type of thing. Or start your own thread in general health. Bastard cancer
And OMG I've just turn the news on 
JKS
about your mum.
Sounds like a good plan.
Oh jks. So sorry. Big hugs. We are all here for you. 
And Boston!!! Terrible.
I'm so sorry to hear that JKS. don't ever apologise for talking about it here, it's what we are here for.
I think I have seen a thread about taking care of parents, if I can find it I will post a link.
It's so bloody unfair.
Thanks folks 
This time the treatment will be very different, last time was 6 months on an isolation ward & 6 months in rehab.
Think this time it's simply tablets to take at home 
Amazing.
Meanwhile, I have been to doc for tablets of my own, will start back on the pill once AF arrives. Not a definite no more DC decision but a step towards it....
JKS - is that purely down to advances in treatment? That's amazing.
Yes & no.
When she was diagnosed, it was from a routine blood test for health insurance (through my Dad's work & him changing jobs), she was otherwise perfectly healthy.
So she was put on a trial (not sure if anyone else ever was as it was so drastic) of having a MASSIVE chemo dose straight away. Because of that she was in hosp (obv) & in isolation as it wiped out her immunity. Then she had a bone marrow transplant (her own bizarrely as they can apparently 'clean' it up of the cancer) and it took her ages to build back up.
Then she was put on Thalidomide as a cancer treatment (very good at it apparently) but it damaged her nerves and meant she couldn't walk. Then there was a wait for a rehab place. She was at the rehab for 6 months before she could walk again, though she still is unsure on her feet and is now quite unfit (separate rant!) & her hands don't work properly.
This time, for relapsed myeloma, they just prescribe a related-to-thalidomide drug that you take at home. Maybe with steroids too. But no chemo as such.
It's weird as I knew all the ins and outs of her treatment before, all the numbers for various blood tests, etc. Now I know nothing. I was in hosp pretty much every day for those 6 months, not fun. Plus my Dad was still working abroad so he wasn't much practical help.
This time they are actually living together and he can help, so hopefully I won't be trekking down to Devon every few days...selfish I know but my 3 siblings are no help/abroad/working so I know any extra help will be down to me.
We are all here for you JKS
Ah ok.
It really isn't selfish, ten years ago you didn't have the DCs to take care of, and now you have so much more on your plate.
Plodding on here. T has taken to taking his nappy off in his cot and bellowing 'wee toilet' at various hours of the night/early morning 
Message withdrawn at poster's request.
Happyland news just in;
www.elc.co.uk/HappyLand/5503,default,sc.html
3 for 2 alert.
Why did I click the link???????? Thing is I don't know what my sister has bought him! Must hide credit card (that would be pointless though because I know the number by heart!
Hopefully the change in treatment and being able to have it at home will make a tremendous difference to your mum, JKS. It's understandable feeling the way you do, it's not as if Devon s just down the round. As much as you want to help your mum, it's not easy when you have 3 kids to think of as well.
The sleep thing sounds tough Ali, how on earth does he survive on that amount of sleep? No doubt a question you and your dh have asked yourselves while downing the wine!
He sounds like a duracell bunny!
Ds3 has started arsing around at bed and nap time. He gets straight up as soon as I put him in his cot. I bellow 'lay down', he dives straight down. I stand there for a few minutes, I say 'goodnight' and leave. He does a half hearted whinge for a few minutes and then falls asleep. I know it's not horrendous, but before I would lay him in his cot and he would fall asleep without a peep.
I think ds3 will master scaling the climbing frame by the end of the week. The platform is about 5.5 feet high
It gives me the bloody fear. But if I don't teach him how to do it safely he'll end up doing it anyway, and in a haphazard way.
Oh, and ds2 got in at our first choice school. Not a great surprise as it's a few hundred yards away, but it's nice to have it in writing 
Thanks people 
Not looking at happyland link...not looking!
DD has learnt to climb our climbing frame, it is high, gets even higher then there's a big slide. But at least now she can manage it. she did have a fall the other day and cried but then laughed when i pulled a funny face so it wasn't serious.
My main worry is DS2 who doesn't understand 'gentle' and gets annoyed if DD gets in his space. He will shove her off one day....
Good news about school ILike 
T is able to get up our climbing frame too, and hurl himself down the slide. I was pleased to note this evening that he can actually get himself back down again which he couldn't before so that is progress!
I have no idea how he survives, none. He had a nap earlier, only 50 minutes and then he has played outside, done puzzles, built things with gears (fab toy if anyone is looking for presents), eaten dinner, played outside again for almost an hour, had a bath and been read several stories and had a BF, and I can hear that DH is still battling to get him to settle to sleep. Argh.
Come on mrs w where are you? 
Any tips on what to pack on holiday with two kids? Any other tips are also welcome. Thx
Valium and 
Meatloaf has recovered! Girly road trip to Sheffield is on!
Buy sun cream, nappies and wipes all over here - they are expensive abroad.
Pack a change of clothes for everyone in your hand luggage. Altitude is known for causing explosive poo's.
Have all your travel documents (passports, tickets, maps, car hire/hotel booking info) all in one place. There's nothing worse than scrabbling around when flustered.
Give yourself enough time to get through security checks in the UK. They scan EVERYTHING and ANYTHING. Read up on what liquids can and can't go through security.
Shit load of snacks for the journey - it keeps them entertained.
It really is fine. I've found the first few days of holidays a bit of a nightmare, everything's new and everyone is tired from the travelling etc etc. But then once I've relaxed about it all, it's great.
When are you off?
Oh, and you have got the boys passports haven't you? 
Whoop fizz. Ill be there in spirit.
Thanks ilike. Yep got their passports. :-). Have checked on measures. Max of litre combined. Per child I think.
May 2nd for a week. Spain.
iPad for the plane
Are you hiring a car the other end? When we flew with ours in September, we took T's carseat on the plane and he had his own seat and it was a godsend because we just strapped him in and he fell asleep, on the way there anyway. Won't talk about the flight home <rocks>
While you are away, don't try and do too much in a day. Takes flipping ages to get organised when you are in unfamiliar territory!
Thanks Ali. We gave transport with car seats picking us up.
Is it wrong that I laughed at your rocking Ali?
We were a bit like that on the flight last year, thinking that the boys would sleep ...
With the liquid thing I was also thinking of the stuff that isn't obvious. From memory, other passengers had lip gloss (for example) in sealed clear plastic bags, and all that jazz. I'm sure someone will come along and decipher my whitterings 
I really need to get my arse in gear and book a holiday.
Oh, and yy to what Ali said about not trying to do too much in a day.
What awful news about your mum JKS. I hope that she responds well to the treatment.
I'm still blocking out the memory of our holiday with DD last autumn.
The way out was fine. The way back wasn't. All she wanted to do was walk up and down and up an down the aisle. If we tried to stop she shrieked hysterically. Urgh...
And we were delayed by a pissed up stag party after they had a brawl at passport control and managed to get one of the group arrested, necessitating the airport staff to empty the hold in search of their bags <weeps at the memory>
ILike don't laugh
One or other of them wailed the entire 2 hour flight. I don't fly well and I was an absolute wreck by the time we landed. I had 3 different women reach out and pat me as we hit the Tarmac. DH did his best, but there is only so much a man can do in the face of adversity! 
With the liquids, I had to have any makeup I wanted in a plastic zippy. Mascara, lipgloss etc. We had to drink from the boys drinks in front of security. We were at Gatwick and they did have a special family lane with more staff to help you with all your stuff and buggy etc.
We are driving this summer! 
I appear to have a bug.
I escaped morning sickness but I'm feeling grim now. had the morning off work and Dh is picking m up from nursery as it's probably best I don't spread it there. still feeling plenty of baby wiggles so not too worried on that front.
Green
There are sickness bugs going around here. At school pickup yesterday, two younger siblings threw up all over the playground. People were sympathetic but backed away!
Hope you are feeling better soon.
Oh dear Green 
And Ali, oops, poor mums having to deal with that - and the school cleaner too?
Am officially miffed - i know IABU really but am less tolerant than usual.
MIL is here for DD"s birthday (tomorrow). Made a big fuss about wanting to be here.
1) FIL did not want to come so has stayed at home (in practical terms this works perfectly as he can be a miserable sod but still, he didn't want to come and see her on her birthday)
2) MIL doesn't like to leave FIL for too long (
) so is rushing home tomorrow after we've had our picnic. Why not stay and go home Sun?
3) MIL has just announced they've booked their tickets to Oz for Christmas. They were meant to be coming to us, they started this alternating plan a few years ago, BIL told them no (whole other story) to last Christmas so they went to the States to see other relatives. Knowing they were coming here for 2013. Now BIL has told them they can't come for 2014 or 15 so they wouldn't see those GC until Christmas 2016. SO they've booked to go this year.
This is all fine, I understand the reason but...it feels like we're shoved aside when the other GC are available, like we're second best. They didn't even mention it to us that they wouldn't be here.
Just said 'oh we've booked our tickets for Oz'
Me: 'oh when are you going?'
MIL: 9th Dec for 5 weeks... 
Oh JKS
I would be upset too. I can understand them wanting to see their other GCs, but it is inconsiderate to just drop you without saying anything.
I hope you can forget about it and have a lovely day tomorrow. Where are you picnicking?
I'm feeling a bit better now. Just hoping for a good night's sleep without an extra little person in the bed wanting hugs from 1am. Also hope that DH and M both avoid it.
JKS, they sound a bit thoughtless.
So sorry to hear about your mum JKS and grrrr to PIL too, just a teeny bit inconsiderate!!
I can't offer any suggestions on holidaying with little kids Kitty but will be looking for your advice come November when I'm flying to Lanzarote with R, who will be 2.6 and an 8 week old baby!!!!! Aaaaargh, I must be crazy! However I won't be alone as my mum and dad are going too and possibly my brother and his GF. DP is refusing on the grounds that he can't take anymore time of work, so it has now been deemed my "push present" (!!!) I fail to see how taking a toddler and a tiny baby on holiday solo is a gift but hey ho!
France first though next month where R and I are again flying on our own! It's only an hour long flight though so I'm reasonably confident it will be ok! 
Sooo....any other news....hmm.....oh yeah!
BabyWajs is a boy!!

Fab news MrsW, boys are great but I may be a tiny bit biased
Happy birthday to your dd JKS, the sun is shining for your picnic
My IL's move in mysterious ways too, you are not alone. I've just realised your dd and my MIL share a birthday, MIL is 60 today.
How was Meatloaf fizz?
Hope you feel even better this morning firefly, I've had stomach bugs when pregnant. They are grim, but the baby will be fine. Just make sure you're hydrated 
We're off to the coast today. If anyone is familiar with Grandpa in my Pocket, we are going where the outside scenes for the programme are shot. M gets very excited about seeing Mr Mentor the Inventers lighthouse 
Green glad you are feeling better
Mrsw hooray
boys are fab. Eek re holiday!!
Fizz how was mr loaf?
Jks that's a real shame. As you say the deliverance definitely didn't help. And happy birthday dd
Ilike s loves grandpa in my pocket. Have a lovely day.
We had our new neighbours in for a drink last night and I am currently delaying getting out of bed. They didn't leave til gone 1 by which time I was drunk and seeing two dh's. I'm shattered. Thankfully dh got up with the boys at 6am.
Taking the sides off s' cot today. Eek.
Morning! Meatloaf was fab! Although a little sad to see such a legend really struggling to sing. His band, singers and crowd carried him, but it was still a great gig. I did worry that we might be watching his last moments at one point. Still at 65 he was rocking out!
Got home yesterday at 3 ish, played with B for a bit, then went for a "quick nap" because I was knackered. Um... I only woke up an hour ago! 14 hours sleep
I did not think I was that tired!
I'm going to throw a theory in here, that is probably all in my mind, but I need to write it down.
Remember ri said we were ttc and I thgh this month was good timing etc? 1) Well AF came early, a week early. To start with it was fairly heavy, about normal, but it only lasted 2-3 days, I'm usually a week.
2) could drink my coffee yesterday morning because of the smell turning my stomach, had to have tea instead
3) dog tiredness. I cold barely keep my eyes open in the car on the way home(whilst a passenger, I wasn't driving with my eyes closed), and the 14 hours marathon sleep session mentioned above.
4) I have an odd pain to my lower abdomen, in sort of ovary position that comes and goes.
Now this could all be in my head, as I have already said, but I couldn't drink coffee with B, only tea, I was knackered for the first few weeks, before I even knew I as pg, so much so my boss was asking what was wrong with me. I had lower abdomen pain, albeit on the other side, with B for the first couple of months. Feels like being poked from the inside.
So, could the light shorter AF be implantation? Is what I'm asking, I still had the usual cramps with it, and if it weren't for the coffe and tiredness I would just chalk it up to my odd cycles.
Fizz it is the tiredness that is the biggest hint - POAS! 
JKS - hope you had a good day yesterday for M's birthday 
Even with the dodgy AF Ali?
POAS POAS POAS POAS POAS POAS
DO IT!
Extreme tiredness has always been my tell tale sign - plus feeling wobbly in supermarkets (I have no idea what that was about!)
We had a glorious day at Southwold yesterday, absolutely great. We had jeans and jackets on, but you could still feel the warmth of the sun on your skin <bliss>
Off to a birthday party with ds2 in a while, then back home for some time in the garden and a BBQ. It looks like another cloudless day here today. I may even crack open the sandals 
Even with the dodgy AF. A week early is a long time, and about the right time after ovulation to implant.
If it all comes to nothing then at least you know!
ILike the weather is lovely here too - the boys were outside for hours yesterday, we had all the doors open and it was lovely.
DH has been dispatched to buy a stick. Will report back.
Ave a stick. But don't need a wee yet. Should I do a thread? Every one loves a poas thread!
<shitting ones self>
Obv we want you to poas Right Now but... If you can wait til tomorrow morning, better chance of a clear result.
Or just do it now & buy more! 
I have 2 sticks! And I've started a thread in chat. Maybe I shouldn't have done that. Drinking juice, and waiting for the weeing urge
Negative, feel a bit of an idiot now.
Definitely do the other one first thing tomorrow then, fingers crossed for a BFP 
Yesterday was lovely, perfect weather, lots of friends came to the park, the kids played nicely, all food was eaten, etc. Think we were there for about 4 hours, then one friend & her DS came back for a cuppa, then we all collapsed exhausted 
DD loves her dolls house, Peppa Pig stuff, new buggy, and a tin teaset. (& other stuff too but they are the top ones so far)
Fizz, I agree do another first thing.
JKS sounds like a great day. We were at a party yesterday too all out in the garden, great weather for it 
I fear M might be getting my bug from Friday - she fell asleep on me before midday for a good hour and a half, then we changed her nappy which had been on all morning and was completely dry. She refused snacks, lunch and isn't really drinking - just holding her cup. And whining for England. Also refused calpol. DH has taken her out in the pram for a change of scenery and to see if it'll cheer her up.
Fizz don't feel an idiot, perfectly valid reasons to think that you might be! Do another in the morning and then if not, onto next month 
JKS - sounds lovely
My parents are here today. Chaos reigns 
Don't feel an idiot, Fizz. The games not up till tomorrow morning at the very least.
JKS, we're all here for whatever you need. And when it comes to it, some of us are in Devon, if you need local(ish) support.
Sorry to hear people are feeling grim. Hope you're all better soon.
Very excited about bump news! Time is FLYING!
I heard yesterday a friend is pg, bless her though she's so sick! And another old uni friend was due to have her baby last week... No news as yet.
I think DH is gradually coming round to the idea of a second. And I think that I'm consistently erring towards wanting a 2nd. We're provisionally talking about ttc summer 2014.
Still negative 
{{{Fizz}}} it might still be too early. If the symptoms persist maybe test next week?
I hope M is better today firefly
Another sunny day here today, but looking at the forecast it will be cold, wet and rainy for I's birthday and party. Annoying.
Ah well, we'll enjoy the sun while we have it 
Aww Fizz, def give it a few more days and if still tired, etc, test again.
UBW - that's v kind, i hadn't realised some of us were down that way - not really thought about where anyone is in RL, you all just live in my laptop 
This will be a better week <determined> had a Pampered Chef thing this morning, got a birthday lunch out tomorrow, and so on. Bad news has no place here 
Sorry Fizz, hope it's just a bit early.
We've come home to a puking F (on the way back from the school run, apparently). Although since we got home he's been acting entirely normal and apparently ravenous. He's currently munching on a Goodies Fruit Bar, so we'll see how this pans out.
I hate puke.
Fizz - I feel bad now for raising your hopes, sorry
UBW - I hate puke too. A child vomited all over the playground at school pick up a couple of weeks ago, god it was grim.
<-- sick face
I seem to have a lump in my left boob. Got Mum to have a prod yesterday (retired GP) and she thinks it is just where I'm losing weight but also T is feeding less and so things might be getting a bit blocked up and the breast tissue is moving around. It is making me a bit twitchy though, really must try not to poke it because I've made myself sore.
I do seem to have awful health anxiety at the moment, so I'm considering a trip to the GP to discuss my mental health. Ho hum.
Don't be silly Ali, I posted for someone to say exactly what you said!
Get the lump checked out for your own peace of mind. I have naturally grissley boobs and the first lump I found was terrifying, but now I just get the GP to have a feel every so often for my own kicks 
If its sore with prodding, ice and heat and try to not prod. If its feeding related the ice and heat will help too.
It is scary, but like you say, a chat with your GP is probably best
((((hugs))))
I think from now on if I find a lump I'll be getting it checked out at the gp after a friend here going through treatment after finding a lump.
I was a bit blase before but she is the same age as me, young kids, etc.
Somehow that has brought it home.
Equally, dropping bf is far more likely to be the cause 
Oh I hate puke too - don't want to say it <whispers> but we've been puke-free for a while now <tempts fate>
Glad your mum was reassuring, Ali. Like JKS, though, I think I'd get anything looked at properly these days.... my Aunt had proper breast cancer when she was only a couple of years older than I am now. She's all good now though!
Well, here I am, watching cbeebies with a toddler on a Tuesday in term time! I've just seen the presenters doing a version of 'big fish, little fish, cardboard box'! Brilliant! Along with Guy Garvey doing story time yesterday, I'm wondering who their target audience really is!
I'm not updating till the risk of jinx is passed...
Sorry about BFN Fizz but like others have said, still maybe a bit early and if not there's always next month 
Ali Def get lump checked for your own peace of mind.
Nothing to report here except I am MASSIVE!!! Actually beginning to worry about what this pg is going to do to my body
I got away with no stretchmarks and only just gaining 2 stone with R. This time I've put on 2 stone already at only 21 weeks
Saw phsyio yesterday who gave me a tubigrip and some exercises. I've to go back again in 2 weeks.
I'm having a similar scare Ali - not with a lump but with bleeding between periods and after sex (sorry for TMI). I'm up to date with smears but have had irregularities in the past and am due another in a few months. Googling has scared the life out of me, so I'm off to the doctors this afternoon. Hopefully it's nothing too sinister but I am a bit scared. Wish me luck...
Boo about the BFN Fizz. Onwards and upwards until next month!
I saw a friend at the weekend who was complaining about something similar Mrs W. She's only 12 weeks with number 2 but is noticeably pregnant.
TCG - hope it goes well and that nothing is wrong.
The lump is moving around and I can only feel it from one side. Fairly sure it is a breast mouse, but will go to the GP later in the week.
TCC, hope it's nothing. x
Ali, what's a breast mouse?!
I've just googled a breast mouse! I'm sure that it probably is that Ali, particularly if your mum has already had a look, but probably best to go to the GP for piece of mind anyway.
I'm back from the GP. She examined me and took some swabs - she couldn't see anything but has referred me to the hospital anyway. Thankfully she said that was her plan before the examination, so I'm not going to spend a week worrying that she actually saw something horrific that she's not told me about. She said the appointment should come pretty quickly, so hopefully I should know what the problem is pretty quickly.
The thinking about TTC is now on hold until this situation is resolved though!
I'm off to google breast mouse, I have never heard of that before ...
Has there been a trigger with the health anxiety Ali ? A chat with the GP is a good idea. I had it to some degree with ds2, after what we had been through with C. It's tough and consuming, so {{{}}}
Well done for going to the Doc's 20thC, fingers crossed all is well. Let us know how you get on. another {{{}}} for you too.
Try not to worry too much MrsW, unless you're only eating pies all day, there really isn't a great deal you can do. Try and relax and go with the flow. And so you don't feel left out {{{}}}
I started showing with DS2 from about 5 weeks, your stomach muscles know what to do so they relax 
Ali - hugs hope you're ok, will have to google breast mouse myself in a mo!
Twentieth - I had lots of bleeding after sex back when ttc-ing DS1, I had cervical erosion & PCO, the erosion went by itself, as long as I didn't use tampons & no sex for a while. The PCO went with Metformin. Hope you get some resolution.
Just waiting for AF to arrive here so I can start taking the pill
looking forward to condom-free sex
(tmi!) but not sure i've made the definite decision re DC4 just yet. Hopefully though the pill may ease the PMT & spotting pre-af that i've had going on since having DC.
<<<envelopes thread in big squishy hug>>>
Rubbish day at work. Lots of changes going on and responsibility being removed from certain people because they are crap to lessen their loads. But god people are possessive! Ask a question and you get the
and "what do you need that for?" Look. Erm to do my job!!!!! It's not your job anymore. And they will only give you the bare minimum in assistance! Aaaarrrrrrrgggggghhhh <bangs head on desk>
Feel better now!
Tcg, glad all seems fine, try not to worry. Everything seems to go south once hve had kids!
Ali, get thee to the geePee! It's the only way you can get a definitive answer. 
Thanks for the love Aprilites - and thanks for telling me about your experience JKS. Hearing about stories like that is good at the moment. I'm hoping it's something like that in my case.
Boo to rubbish days at work Fizz.
tonight maybe ;)
<sneaks back in>
I had a bit of an MN hooha/collision (hence radical namechange and absence) but I'm back because I needed MN support whilst POASing today. I'm another Aprilite on the babybus!
DS was 2 on Sunday and my name is a clue to my location. Oh and I make killer thread titles.
Oooooh gotcha!
Does that mean you've POAS aand had a BFP?!
Excuse my denseness, it's been a looong day! Congratulations if so 
You can't just come on here talking about POAS but not give the results
Does getting on the bus mean you are swi or have a bfp? There are far too many acronyms for me!!
At what was the hoohaa? <nosey>
I've had that at work before fizz, it's a pita and unnecessary.
I was out last night, so we are going to watch Broadchurch tonight - it's all rock and roll here 
Oooooooooooo congratulations nom.
Sorry I've been quiet. Keeping up though. Hugs where needed....
Dh is out and the boys are ill....again.... Coughs. Which for a means puke.
Sorry for being mystic! There was a BFP
and shitting myself at the same time. I have 2 5hr exams in 6 weeks or so....
Come on fizz I'm rooting for you so we can be buddies again.
JKS I'm so sorry about your Mum
and your PILs are being really thoughtless!
Ali I've never heard of a breast mouse either but fingers crossed the lump is nothing serious. Definitely worth a chat about the health anxiety though.
Oh punctuation! That reads wrong!
There was a BFP.
etc
Congratulations Nom!
My hormones are starting to ramp up with all these bfps. Next year, next year.... 
Congratulations! 
TCG - glad the GP thinks all is well 
Nom - yay congrats! How many weeks are you? Weirdly I had a dream you were pregnant last night! <twilight zone music>
I know I need to go to the GP, but seriously with one thing and another I've been in and out of there like a jack-in-the-box over the last couple of months. I swear a siren goes off when I walk through the door 
Thanks for the support though everyone, much appreciated 
Congratulations Nom
another one on the bus. I'll join ILike being nosey - what was the hoohaa
I admit I thought breast mouse was an interesting autocorrect. I'm going to have to look it up too.
I think the nasty bug has finally left the Firefly household. M was sick just the once and seems fine. I probably should have been off work again yesterday as I had then had the other end of it but finally feel ok today. I'm taking it as a sign that at 5 months pregnant (!! How did that happen?) I should try and take it a bit easier. Therefore the bike will be put to bed for a while and I've started getting the bus to work. I also took it a bit easier on the slides at soft play today
. M is a bit of a daredevil and likes all the big equipment so I do have to follow her a bit to give her a leg up on some of it 
Yes, I want to know what the hoohaa was too <nosy nosy nosy> 
Good to hear the bug has finally left the Firefly house. I can't believe you're five month pregnant either though. We're going to have another mini Aprilite sibling before we know it!
See, see! Us lot we can't see green cheese! Congrats Nom <taps nose, winks, offers kitkats!>
iLike it is a pita, but it is necessary IMO. I'm getting a new boss, one who thinks like me (could mean big barneys) but I think we both have the same forward outlook. So much so, I might be considering going full time.
Forgot to say about work being shit today. They cancelled my holiday for next Thursday for Bs first day at playgroup
It won't be an issue CM will take him. He goes back and forth there anyway with her and they all know him, but they don't know meeeeeeeeeeee waaaaaaahhhhhhhh 
Oh yeah and the hoohaa??
Ali really?! That's really weird.... also you were dreaming about me which is weird in itself
I like my newnickname, sounds like the Cookie Monster.
Hooha? I let rip about a certain politician who makes ill informed statements and should move across the channel since she likes it so much. Ahem.
Aha, I know the one!
Nom - yes I know, v.strange! I don't make a habit of dreaming about people on MN...
Fizz - sorry work is shite, but good news about the new boss and full-time possibility.
I have made an appointment to see the GP tomorrow, and so am now nervous
. My whole boob is achey, it does feel increasingly like it might be feeding related. Really hope it isn't mastitis, although obviously that would be vastly preferable to some other possibilities!
ILike - I'm not sure what the trigger was tbh. January was incredibly stressful with DH being out of work, and I had a horrid viral thing which took me ages to shift. All my glands came up in my neck and armpits and it frightened the life out of me. I've had full bloods done and they came back normal, and the glands all went down after the virus had cleared up.
And then since then I've had symptoms of anxiety. Pins and needles, pains in my arms, ectopic heartbeat, neuralgia in my leg, and so on. Each one comes for a few days and then goes away again - and I've been back and forth to the GP, they must be so sick of me! Deep down I'm sure it is nothing, and the blood tests back that up. Both my parents are very sure that I'm fine (both Drs), and Dad especially is prone to be very over cautious.
I'm going to have a chat about the anxiety when I go tomorrow because it is really crippling.
Sorry about the essay 
Congratulations nom, lovely news 
I saw you snuck in there kitty. I hope the boy's coughs are better today. How are you doing?
{{Ali}} I didn't realise you'd all been through such a tough time at the beginning of the year. Hopefully your GP knows some coping techniques to help you, or can refer you.
Once the boy wakes up we're off to get their hair cut. I have bribery snacks ready in my pocket.
<hugs Ali> It sounds like you really have been having a tough time of it. Even if it is anxiety related your symptoms are still pretty unpleasant. Fingers crossed it's not mastitis but that would be less unpleasant/serious than what probably first came to mind.
Good like with the haircuts iltmi! I've taken to cutting DS's myself. It doesn't look too bad 
Can I ask a favour of someone? They don't do prenatal multivitamin supplements here. Last time I went to the UK just after finding out so I got some. Would anyone mind shipping me some over? Will obviously pay you via bank transfer or similar.
Nom i can do it, and i can send from work so i dont have to pay postage. Let me know.
Ali hope you get on ok tomorrow...
S was in with us last night, not a pleasant experience but he was waking every 10 mins if that. A was sick on DGil yest. Gets a cold gets reflux.
Gosh, Ali. Sounds like you've had loads going on and lots to worry about. No wonder you've been feeling shitty. I hope the visit to the doctors helps you feel less anxious about things.
You must be knackered kitty. Hopefully you'll get some more sleep tonight.
On a lighter note, does anybody want to come and help with our packing? Our purchase has gone through and we're moving next Thursday. There are empty boxes everywhere. I don't know where to start
. I need
and maybe some practical tips!
Thanks for the hugs
kitty - you must be exhausted, I hope you get a better sleep tonight.
ILike - DS1 asked if he could have a haircut when we were in town at the weekend, DH and I nearly keeled over
TCG - yay for house purchase! Are you having removal people to do the actual moving? If so, ask how much they would charge to do some packing for you. We did when we moved and I think we paid £200 for them to do the whole house. Best money we've spent ever, and we didn't even have the DCs then.
Oh TCG I'm envious. We're still waiting for a confirmed moving date. Found out today that the people at the top of the chain haven't yet got the mortgage confirmed which must be why they're suggesting the end of May. This is rubbish for us - we were pushing for the end of April and we're worrying that our buyer might pull out as we accepted his offer way back in November/December. We've made progress in packing and are currently living with boxes piled up everywhere and other stuff stored at various friends and family. And the longer it goes on the bigger I get and the less I can help with 
In other news I think M is getting over tired and had a number of meltdowns today resulting in an early bed at 6.30. I'm sure I recognise myself in the tired meltdown 
iPad assisted haircuts here! My hairdresser now brings in her own iPad with selected cartoons available for customers perusal!
B actually takes his brush to me now and asked for us to brush his hair! He even let me cut his toenails and brush his teeth tonight with no screaming! I think he has been switched 
Congratulations Nom 
I had the confirmation letter (and the fees
, no free nursery provision provided here) for P's preschool today, she's starting in September. Im feeling a bit guilty that she won't be able to do the same amount of hours/extra activities as DS did when he went, but with DH about to become unemployed we can't afford it. 
<<goes off to google breast mouse>>
Green - how stressful
fingers crossed for you that things start to move along more quickly.
Yoni - what a nightmare for you all. Is it likely that your DH will get something else quickly? ((Hugs)) we have been through redundancy twice with DH in the last 5 years and it is utterly sickening.
Appointment is at 12. I've had a huge cry this morning, I'm just so on edge about it all. Will report back.
Good luck Ali, remember we are all here for you (((hugs)))
I have come away with a normal glucose result (that was the other stressful thing), a prescription for some anti-depressants, and a referral to the breast clinic. GP is as sure as she can be that the lump is just benign fibrous tissue, it moves around and isn't attached to anything, but the referral is standard practice.
So I'm feeling a lot better, and actually am pleased to have been referred because it will confirm things.
[phew]
[chocolate]
Well done Ali 
Remember I was in ads for a while they really did help even at a low dose. So remember to take them! <stern> 
JKS - I will! I was on them for almost a year when DS1 was little and they really helped. I nearly bit the GPs arm off today when she suggested them!
How are things with your Mum?
Thanks Ali, she's ok. I spoke to her for a while today. She's had the bone marrow test, needs to give her broken shoulder a bit longer before doing a body set of x-rays. She has another myeloma appt at the end of May so needs to have done all tests by then. Seems to all move slowly but she seems content enough.
Trying a new plan with DD of waking her after just an hour's nap after lunch as she's been awake and chatting at 4/5am. I've left her and she's settled again but it wakes me up and I find it hard to fall asleep again once woken.
We'll see if it helps...
She's desperate for a bed, keeps getting into the boys, but I'm holding out for when she drops naps completely.
That does all sound very slow JKS, but you have assume they know what they are doing I suppose. Glad your Mum is ok though.
T is just the same with DS1's bed, he loves getting into it. I think we are going to have to shift him in the next month or so, he can get out of his cot but chooses not to just for the moment! DS1 is in a toddler bed still and has suddenly grown a lot in the last month and needs a bigger bed. More money!
We've taken the plunge and removed the bars from the cotbed to get her used to the bed before we move house. Stairgate has been moved to her bedroom door. Wish us luck - how many times will we be woken?
Good luck firefly. A hasn't got out if bed once and its been a week now.
Happy birthday April 'babies'!
X
Glad to hear you're feeling better about things Ali.
Ds2 has outgrown his cotbed, we have chosen his next bed but have been putting off buying it because all our money is going towards the extension at the moment
Talking of extensions, we no longer have a kitchen. It has been ripped out and internal walls are being pulled down. We've got a temporary kitchen in the utility room, so at the moment it's not too bad. I may not be saying the same after a few weeks ...........
It was ds3's birthday yesterday. We didn't do that much as we've got family coming over today. We did go out for dinner though and it was a effing nightmare. As we were leaving I apologised to the couple next to us, they were so lovely I nearly cried at their kindness - which is a sign of how stressed and cross I was with the boys behaviour.
I hope it went well last night firefly
I'm taking both boys to a rugby class taster session this morning. We're thinking of signing ds2 up for lessons. No doubt ds3 will want to join in, and technically he can, but he probably won't understand the instructions and he'll be running in the opposite direction to everyone else!
Enjoy the rest of the weekend, and happy birthday B 
Thanks Ilike
Actually thanks to everyone for giving me the prod to go to the GP 
Green I hope you weren't up and down 100 times in the night!
kitty a week? That is a result!
We ordered DS1's new bed on Friday, it will be here in two weeks. Then T can come out of his cot and go into the toddler bed! No more cot in my house <sob>
ILike we had been putting it off partly on financial grounds too. We actually want to get them bunks and have seen some amazing ones which are £££, but we feel that DS1 is not old enough to go on a top bunk yet, so we've got him relatively cheap single for now and we'll swap to bunks in a couple of years. We were going to wait another 6-8 months and get the bunks, but DS1 has suddenly grown, as has T.
Weather is lovely here. We went out to a National Trust place yesterday afternoon and had a lovely stomp, and got caught in hailstones! Not much planned for today, DS1 has a birthday party later. People seem to do them on a Sunday teatime in his class, which totally buggers up roast dinner!
Posted too soon.
<groan> at the disaster meal out ILike. Ours are mostly pretty good but we have had the odd shocker which leaves you feeling like never taking them out again. Much sympathy! 
Well, it wasn't too bad. I found her asleep on the floor cushion about 10 and put her back into bed. She cried at 1.30 having fallen out again (and probably got cold) but went back to sleep with a cuddle. On the cushion again at 3.30 but DH couldn't get her to settle back into bed so she came in with us as I didn't want her to spend too long crying and associate her new bed with being upset. I'm going to try tucking the duvet under the matress better tonight in the hope that it might hold her in a bit better.
She's gone back to napping for the last few days, though whether that's to bank sleep for not napping during the week I'm not sure.
I'm getting lots of baby kicks and wiggles 
Well we are home from Bs birthday weekend back home! We are all knackered! Spent this morning at the park then visited my granda. B lay down infront of his fire and pretended to snore! This means he was tired, so we had to leave, otherwise and over tired meltdown would have followed.
I suppose I should follow the lead and take the sides off the cot. B slept in a double bed last night as he screamed at the travel cot. It would make visiting so much easier if he slept in a proper bed tbh. Our next scheduled visit is in June, it could be doable!
Mum and dad got in a retro trike that is almost identical to the one I had as a child! B loves it, can't reach the pedals but just wanted to sit on it all the time. We have more happyland than you could ever imagine. The queen has shacked up with the farmer and a couple of sheep! 
Randomly my mum asked me if I thought I might be pregnant
She had a dream apparently. I told her no, but I still don't feel right. My tiredness isn't being helped by Bs 4am starts <yawn>
We very rarely go out for food, but B has always been well behaved. We might go for lunch to the local place on Tuesday that has a soft play area attached. Watch my previous statement be foolish!
Early night for all in the fizz house!
Firefly love baby wiggles.
A has gro stay on bedding. Dear but it dies the job. The duvet zips to the sheet and the pillowcase is fitted to the sheet too.
Fizz I have everything crossed you are! How spooky would that be.
We go away thurs. went lakeside today for mass buy out. Will post purchases on fb for any shopaholics.
Ps have you seen the new happyland pirate ship? My mates bought it for s.
I got the pirate ship for Christmas and both boys like it. He also got the bus for his birthday which he loves.
Today is the come down after having both families around for a BBQ yesterday. The boys both slept until 8 this morning after playing hard all afternoon with their cousins! The house is a shit tip and I should be cleaning rather than being on here 
I saw your splurge Kitty! I can spot a few Next items there, the checked shirt especially stood out
Yy to the price of nice bunk beds Ali. There are lots of reasonably priced ones, but the really stylish ones (ie the ones I would like!) are mega bucks.
Hello everyone. I have been lurking on and off but haven't posted for ages! I keep meaning to then thinking you'll all wonder "who the hell are you". Then I decided that was silly so - Hi!
I have slightly lost track of who everyone is but I'm sure I'll get the hang of it. Green - I hear those foam pool noodles under a fitted bed sheet are good at keeping toddlers from falling out of bed. We haven't put Joanna in a bed yet - as far as I'm concerned she can stay in her cot as long as possible! She's so good at going to bed these days - she chooses which
My exciting news is we are finally - FINALLY - moving house (touch wood). It's taken 18 months, 1 abortive sale, 3 abortive purchases and £8.5k in solicitors fees, surveys etc but we have finally exchanged contracts and complete in a fortnight. Living in a 1-bed flat with a 2 year old and my other half running a computer fixing business from the lounge has been so unbelievably stressful I thought I was going to have a nervous breadown at points but it seems like it's hopefully finally over. 3-bed house in Walthamstow, here we come (squee!). My daughter will finally have her own room! I can have my bedroom back - I can WATCH TELLY IN BED AGAIN!! I am unbelievably excited. I have 2 years and 9 months worth of pent up nursery decorating inside of me!!
Congrats to all of those on the baby bus again. I'm getting pretty broody myself, I think we might start thinking about TTC once we're in the new house (no way am I going to incur even the slightest risk of a second baby before we have the keys to a new place in our sweaty grasp). Only slight spanner in the works is we're bidding for a contract at work that was totally my baby, I found the opportunity and developed the team and the bid, and I think we have a good chance of winning it. And if we win it, I want to do it! It's a 3-year contract starting in September. I wouldn't want to wait to TTC until the end of it probably, but I might want to just give myself a year on it or something.
Joanna was 2 on Saturday. We took her and a couple of toddler friends to soft play, then her various grandparents/aunties/uncles came round in the afternoon for a cup of tea and to give her presents. She was giddy as a kipper by the end of the day, but she had a fab time. I managed to make a Finding Nemo cake I was pretty damn proud of - although it took almost 8 hours over two consecutive evenings to do. I was terrified I was going to drop the box on the way to the soft play place!
Anyway, enough wittering from me. More to follow, I'm sure.
Waah £8.5k solicitors fee's Ecuse!!!!!!!!!?? That's crazy! I'm glad you've finally got somewhere to move to though, you've been waiting forever.
I saw your nemo cake on fb too, it looked awesome, well done you!
Fizz I loved B's birthday pic on fb too, he looked very coy and cute! And you're also looking good....maybe a pg glow? 
Good luck to those of you doing the bed swap, I think if we were still in our own place we'd be considering it soon too but since we've moved to my parents I don't see the point. R is quite happy in the cot and the baby will be in with us to begin with so I think better just to leave things be for the time being until we get our own place then everyone can start afresh with their own rooms and big beds!
R was 2 last Thursday and thouroughly enjoyed the whole thing! She was ruined as expected but it was worth it for the look on her wee face
Unfortunately, along with her birthday came the terrible two's - full on raging tantrums we're getting now....lots of fun!! Hope they've settled a bit before September, otherwise I'm up the creek!
Not much else doing, I'm 22+2 now and time is starting to drag. I'm massive as it is and really don't want to get very much bigger but I doubt I'll be so lucky!
Oh bugger, I forgot to congratulate "Nom" on her pregnancy too 
Congrats to Nom from me too 
And well done Ecuse for not totally losing the plot with house stuff!!
DD is a queen tantrummer & very bossy too. My Phone Now is her current catchphrase 
She loves being out in the garden, especially with her brothers, which is lovely. Got a date through for her intro session for pre-sch, part of me dreading it, the rest knowing she'll love it and i get to start 'moving on' a bit in life. Only a few hours a week but still.
Ello ecuse. Great to hear from you. I too saw the fab cake. Well done. And hurrah re the house that is excellent news.
Yes ilike, we did £100 in next
, and bought in primark, M&S, and H&M. THey arent allowed to grow. A is still in 3-6 months clothes bless him, i think he is even smaller than S.
Thanks MrsW but it ain't a pg glow, another -ve this morning. So I am keeping the other test for another time. I've ordered a whole heap of opks from eBay.
Big birthday is tomorrow! B is going to be confused when he is older that birthdays are only one day and not a whole weekend at grandmas then a day with mummy and daddy! Still it means 2 cakes 
Fingers crossed for the house ecuse! I cannot begin to imagine how tricky life has been in a one bed flat with a 2 yo!
I have my dad on hand to build in a cabin bed/bunks in Bs rooms. He built ours when we were little. He has already started on the spare room at theirs. Maybe I could rent him out to the aprilites! Feed him and give him access to the Internet for his racing 
We are current,y thinking about whether to move or do the house here. They are building new houses in our village. Would give us a bigger flatter garden and off street parking and a garage. Or we could stay here, landscape the garden to split level, which would. Still be slightly B unfriendly, but less lethal than it is just now. Good thing about the builders is they are doing part exchanges. We need to see prices and plans first I think.
Hurrah for the move, ecuse. That's quite a saga you have there so fingers very, very tightly crossed for you that it all works put this time!
MrsW I'm not looking forward to the feeling massive. So far I don't feel any different but I'm only about 5 weeks I think, so not really expecting too!
JKS I'm sure M will just love preschool and it'll give you some kiddie free time! The bossy catchphrase sounds awfully familiar. I frequently get woken by DS standing next to our bed (we transitioned to a bed a while ago) demanding 'Mummy Phone'.
Update from us: DS is in hospital worth pneumonia, some of you have already seen the thread over in children's health, so catching up is a nice distraction!
Oh god nom. Poked ds. How is he doing? How are you?
Morning,
Hope M is doing better today, Nom. x
Oh no Nom
poor M. He is in the best place though. Birthday here, dh is currently swearing trying to put together the trampoline!
<gritted teeth!
Big hugs, Nom, hope you start to see improvement today. Poor little M.
Happy birthday, Blair!
Hope you're on the mend M, and hope you're holding up ok nom.
Happy birthday B, hope you're having a lovely day
Great news about the house excuse, fingers crossed it all goes well.
I've told dh we only have one move left in our life and that is when we downsize in 30 years time! It's just so stressful, even simple moves are stressful.
Nom that's terrible. Poor you, hope you're bearing up.
I have just had my hair cut. I'm not convinced I like it yet - it's quite short and different - but it's nice and swishy!
Small rant alert, sorry.
Why do I get so wound up with bedtime? Why does it infuriate me so much? Absolutely boiling with rage angry. And why, the fuck, does F think it's so funny? Grrr 
Why can't he just lie down and go to sleep? We've had weeks of this 2-hour bedtime nonsense. He'll be bloody up at 4:30 again tomorrow.
As you were...
Oh UBW
I know the rage you are feeling, I don't have any answers. Only
or
?
Honestly, we've already taken so much stuff out of his room (not only will he get everything out to play, he'll also throw stuff down the stairs) he's at severe risk of sleeping on a mattress in a bare room.
I hate myself for getting angry, so I'm angry about being angry. What a joke.
UBW - is he still having a nap? I really sympathise, T can be stubborn about sleeping <understatement>
Lovely to 'see' you ecuse
The house situation sounds horrific, fingers tightly crossed for you that it is all plain sailing from here!
Any ideas how we can get him to lie the fuck down and go the fuck to sleep straight away? We do the usual bath, stories, warm milk, snuggle down, tuck in routine. All lovely. Then it goes tits up.
The rapid return doesn't work. I get dizzy from spinning around since he gets straight up behind me as I step away. He hurls stuff over the stairgate, and dismantles his room if we try to ignore him and wait it out. He thinks shouting is hilarious. Doesn't understand "naughty". If I sit with him he plays up and eventually starts climbing on me and kicking me, etc. maybe we should sack it off entirely and let him run around downstairs till the overtired tantrums finally get too much and he gives in and sleeps where he falls? At least I'd be able to work at the table instead of knelt on the landing.
(Btw, I think he's finally asleep now, I'm at my wits end with this now)
Yes, but we've restricted it to 45 mins as early as possible. He goes down for naps beautifully. Making the evenings even more frustrating.
If you didn't take him up to bed, would he just play downstairs while you got on with some work?
We used to have DS1 downstairs with us until quite late until he dropped his nap aged 2.4, otherwise we had a battle royal. He would play and be quite content and then when the eye-rubbing started up one of us would take him up.
Once he dropped his nap he we brought his dinner earlier by an hour and his bedtime by 2.
We do it with T sometimes too. A couple of nights ago he was just wide awake so we had him downstairs with us for an hour, then did another story and a bit more milk and he went down fine.
Sometimes it really just isn't worth having the battle. If he, and you, are going to be happier then do what works. If you are worried that he isn't getting enough sleep overall then could you let him have a longer daytime nap still if he wants it?
Bedtime can wind me up too UBW, you are certainly not alone with that. I get the rage because I see after 7pm as my time and any intrusion on that seriously pisses me off.
What time does F go to bed? Is he overtired? When children are overtired they go hyper so find it hard to switch off even though they are beyond tired.
If you don't think that is the problem, would a bare room with no distractions be such a bad idea?
Have you heard of Dr Tanya Byron? She done the sleep clinic programme on tv recently and years ago she was in a programme called House Of Tiny Tearaways. She is a real advocate of rapid return. I'm not sure she has written any books, but there may be some House of Tiny Tearaways on YouTube? It's often good to see it in action and see how other people approach it.
{{{}}} it's tough, don't beat yourself up about it x
He does go to overtired hyperactive really quickly. Maybe we'll try letting him stay up another hour. It'll be less stressful, surely.
I get in a real quandary, because I need this time to work (evidently
) and need some down time without kids/people, but I've also not seen him all day, so feel like I should be spending quality time with him.
Honestly, we've been trying rapid return (the boring, non-angry kind) with no results at all. He thinks it's a wonderful game. I got a sore back and dizzy. Tanya Byron obviously hasn't dealt with the UBW stubborn gene!
Thanks ILike, Ali and Fizz. I feel like such an awful parent. An awful person. He deserves better.
((UBW)) don't be hard on yourself. Parenting is tough - I cannot even imagine how tough when you work full-time as well. If you weren't a great Mum then you wouldn't be on here asking for help and support. x
You're not an awful parent and person. You're a person trying to do their best by everyone. Please don't be so hard on yourself.
If you have work to do in the evenings then you need a bedime that suits all of you.
How about using the weekends as full on quality time, rather than putting the pressure on yourself to have it everyday? Get F's bedtime licked (even if it means you don't see him for as long as you would like), you can work in the evenings, then the weekend is for all 3 of you.
Agree with ILike & others, you arenot awful.
I clearly remember getting the rage about ds1 & his sleep too. I have (mostly) lost the energy/enthusiasm for rage these days 
Dd is easier though.
If his room was empty and there's a gate on his door what would happen if you just, nicely, said goodnight (after usual cuddles story etc) and left him to it?
Go down and do your work maybe with music on to drown out his shouting! And let him get on with it? Maybe doing the CC thing of goin back at 1min, 3mins, 5, 10 whatever works for you?
You have to decide what's comfortable for you /your family.
But if the stubborn gene is there use it yourself! 
Decide that this is what's going to happen and that's that.
Maybe!
UBW that sounds totally shit. I would have the rage too. Nothing helpful to offer except probably that picking either the laid back 'let him stay downstairs until he's tired' approach or the strict 'let's do CC until we've got this licked' supernanny type approach sounds better than your current middle ground. Not making any judgement on any version of those approaches, just observing that what you're currently doing doesn't seem to be working for your family in your context.
You are a fab mummy UBW. I have no advice, but plenty of hugs and here to listen...x
Oh UBW I understand and I sympathise. I don't have an answer but I'll admit to following Ali's line of thinking.
M is much better. DH is with him today so I get precious headspace. I've slept, had a shower and ignored the state we left the house in! I texted for an update and just got his readings - sat 98% so they're diminishing the oxygen. He's still all IVd up but seems to tolerating it better now.
Thats good news Nom, what a relief
Good news Nom!
Fab news nom! Glad dh has been able to take a shift.
Having spent all day with my work colleagues, I am not getting ready to go out for dinner....... With my work colleagues! It's to say goodbye to crappy boss and make sure she is really going 
Has anyone seen the new muppet movie? With Jason Segal and Amy Adams. I know it verbatim! When it finishes B cries to get it back on! He dances to the songs and loves Kermit! So sweet!
I'm looking for inspiration for films with lots of songs and dancing in them suitable for B and available to download to the iPad. We have a 6 hour drive coming up soon and will go mad if we have to watch the same thing 3 times in a row!
Labrynth? Shrek?
With David Bowie? That labyrinth? Isn't that scary?
Labyrinth is one of my favorite films ever! But probably a bit scary at the mo.
So glad M is doing better, Nom.
DH recalled an idea from bedtime live. To break the association with bedtime chaos, and reinforce the lie down and sleep, we're going to leave him up till ~9pm (about his usual sleep time), and if he asks to go to bed, or looks like he's going to crash, whip him up for a quick story and to sleep. Then gradually bring that time forwards.
(posted too soon)
At least that should be less stressful for everyone. I'm planning on some really boring toys, no tv, while I try to do some work.
CM has reiterated just how difficult and stubborn he is compared to "most". Which is reassuring that it's not just us being sensitive, but worrying when you see "difficult" teenagers all day and wonder how they ended up like that.
Good luck ubw.
I heart labyrinth but tea might be too soon
Hmm, yes I think Labryinth might be a tad old just yet.
Does he really watch a whole film? DD loves Peppa (x a million) if you can bear that.
I haven't actually tried to get her to watch a film but she usually wanders away from the tv and leaves me watching 
Films, DS1 loved from early on; Alvin & the Chipmunks (not my fave), Nemo (minus the first few minutes), Bugs Life, Toy Story, Bee Movie.
UBW - good luck. I think once you have a plan you'll feel better instantly. Fingers crossed.
UBW good luck!
Fizz - T loves Cars and Cars 2, and they both have good soundtracks. You can also get The Gruffalo, Gruffalo's child and Room on the Broom on DVD.
Have to say that we've never bothered with a DVD in the car even on 8-12 hour treks across France. The boys tend to sleep lots and we have the odd bout of nursery rhyme singing. We've also got the soundtrack to Peter and the Wolf which they adore - it is the version with Sean Connery narrating.
Nom - meant to say yay for M being so much better! 
DH sent me away and has done it himself. F was screeching when I was trying to manhandle a gross nappy off him I got told I wasn't helping and was told to go away.
So, they don't need me. It's me with the problem.
I just went up to see what was going on and was sent away again.
I feel like shit.
Aww, ((hugs)) UBW & lots of them.
Remember, when we're stressed & tired we all say and do things we don't mean. I'm sure your DH never meant to make you feel shit. He's just doing the bloke thing of 'solving' the problem without understanding the emotional side of things.
Deep breath,
and distract yourself.
Went up again and was allowed to say goodnight. F just said "mummy work". 
(((UBW))) If they can sort it out between them though then that is good. It takes the pressure off you.
DH is much better at settling our boys to sleep than I am, much better. DS1 is poorly this evening and only wanted Daddy at bedtime.
Try and focus on the end result if you can! 
Nemo minus the first few minutes used to go down well here, just for short bouts but not anymore. Cars too, but there is only so many times we can bear it.
I'm thinking about getting a few singing kettle (do you get that in Englandshire?) DVDs, because its all about music and doing actions for him just now.
He doesn't sit and watch a whole film, but the muppets holds his attention for longer than most. God that makes me sound terrible! He really doesn't watch that much tv, honest! 
I think it was DH solving things by getting it done. He's done the kitchen and made me a hot choc too.
It's the feeling that I'm rubbish at this, and not needed. At least when I was BFing I had a role. Now they don't need me at all. Is this what traditional fathers feel like? Just here to pay the bills and no more?
I'll be the first to admit I'm not cut out for staying at home all day every day with him. And the running joke is that I'm just the night nanny, and his real mummy is the cm. But... there is an undercurrent of truth.
He fell asleep much later tonght, but without the running around. Tomorrow he is going to be horrible. And we're going for tea at a friend's. Oh dear.
For films, F's really into The Lorax at the moment, although he can't sit still for the whole thing. Tends to ask to watch it while he's bimbling around doing other things. We also bought HOP the other day, which I love and F is ok with. Got the muppets Treasure Island, but turned it off because its got some scary labyrinth-esque goblin-y things in it.
UBW
You sound so down, I'm really sorry you're struggling atm. Motherhood is a guilt-fest whichever way you turn, whatever choices you make. (((hugs)))
I have got DS1 at home poorly. I thought it was coming, he had a bit of a cough yesterday, and then he didn't want much dinner last night. He's been in bed with me most of the night, and is now tucked up in my bed watching Beebies and eating apples.
Not going to get much done today then!
Aww UBW sorry I've missed most of this but will just reiterate what everyone else has said, you're not a shit mum at all, you're just doing what needs to be done to get you through.
And Nom so glad to hear M is a wee bit better, how scary! How did he manage to get pneumonia??
Kitty Can empathise on the horrible boss situation, I have one too but she isn't leaving unfortunatley! However on the plus side she is off sick just now and might stay off until I leave <crosses fingers>
Sooo, anyone else potty training?? We started on Monday and aside form 1 little pee on the floor on day 1, we have had no accidents at all! I'm so pleased with her! Admittedly she has just been running around the house with no bottom half on but she has asked everytime she's needed and even done a couple off her own back if I haven't been in the room. Today, however, she is at nursery so first day with big girl pants and trousers on! I'm so nervous that she'll forget and get upset if she gets wet?! Will have to wait til 4.30 I guess and see what she's wearing when I go to pick her up!!
I am absolutley full of the cold and back to work tonight after a weeks holiday and a week off sick with my back. Really can't be arsed with it! I also now seem to have developed stress incontinence with this pregnancy
- very embarrassing, anyone else ever experienced it?
Oh yeah and Nemo, Ice Age 1, 2, 3 & 4 (!) and Bee Movie are all firm favourites here. Rio is the latest addition and is also getting played to death!!
UBW I sympathise - I was really cheerful all yesterday then when I picked Joanna up from the CM disovered she has started calling her 'Mummy'
<dagger through heart emoticon>
Joanna will quite easily sit through a whole film if plonked in high chair when I need to get the housework done (or on Sunday mornings if DP and I fancy a crafty shag
). If she's cruising around she'll watch bits then bimble off and then come back to it (but get cross if you turn it off in the interim). She is currently obsessed with Finding Nemo (hence the cake), Ice Age, Toy Story and Monsters Inc.
Feeling quite
about the amount of TV she gets plonked in front of but, in my defense, because of current living arrangements (computer fixing business in front room) it's not safe to leave her alone in the living room playing with her toys. There are screwdrivers, bits of memory chip and other people's laptops all over the place so she has to be really closely supervised. And we have to get the housework done somehow so she gets strapped into her highchair whilst we're cleaning the bathroom or doing the washing up or cooking the dinner! Keep promising myself she will watch less TV when we've moved...
Ubw - more hugs today, I don't know how working mums do it so you have my respect. And work+sleep deprivation/child-free time deprivation must be torture.
Dd doesn't watch that much tv but does play on my phone a lot & loves YouTube for all sorts of random things though I have to keep an eye/ear out obv.
Did you know you can watch a guy opening kinder eggs on there?!?!
Makes for interesting viewing when you're 2 apparently...
I tend to let her play after breakfast then I can get dressed tidy up etc.
And if I actually want to get anything done properly when she has no brothers around to entertain her, then phone it is.
I may be about to be kicked off MN for life.
Today I won a voucher at work in a competition
IT'S FOR GREGGS!


Mmmmmm sausage rolls 
Yummy!
<norty>
I was thinking steak bakes and toffee doughnuts!
{{UBW}} - I should imagine a lot of wage earners feel like you do. Being the wage earner is just as important a role as being the SAHP. They have to compliment each other, but of course that doesn't mean that you are always happy with your role. Both dh and I have had moments of 'why are we bothering doing this?'. Luckily it's fleeting.
MrsW- I have had it before when pg, but it has corrected itself. Do you have a cough with your cold? I remember having it when I had a vomitting bug and then again when I had a cough. Remember to do your kegels!
How has the potty training been going? It sounds like she's doing really well.
Good to hear M is getting better nom. fingers crossed he's off the oxygen soon xx
Greggs sausage rolls are my guilty pleasure 
B started play group yesterday. CM dropped him as I couldn't get off work, but today I have to take him. And his forms for preschool came yesterday
. Where did my squidgy baby go?
What to do with my free 2 hours??? 
2 free hours? Bliss! 
Here are few thing finer than a cup of hot coffee and a chocolate digestive whilst watching greys anatomy! 20 minutes until pick up!
UBW you made the talk round-up and made me <boak> in one fell swoop.
Just saw that too! Our very own David Attenbourgh! All science questions we have should be directed to UBW! (iPad always wants to correct that to UB40!)
contracts to UBW
. I didn't realise all spiders shed but it makes sense if some do. I actually like spiders and other creepy crawlies- my colleges thought I was odd yesterday for trying to pick up the bumble bee that ws on my office floor.
I've just had my Friday test of how quickly I can eat a sandwich from the deli before M wants to steal all the bread. Maybe a quarter today by distracting her with cake
we're of to the park soon for ice cream, then I have my 24 week check at the docs. Where has the time gone?
Omg Ubw
Not sure my life needed that info
Shudder
I've just seen the roundup! So honoured to have had a mention, AND be compared to my idol!
Thanks for all your help this week. We're so sleep deprived again. F is happier after an epic nap with cm today.
Sorry to hear about the incontinence! I never did have the post tear investigations, so it's something I've go to look forward to!
We're saving potty training till the summer hols. He's shown no interest since the pox.
Hope M is ok, Nom, and you're ok too. x
Hopefully we're off camping tomorrow!
Quick hello from Spain!
Boys have been stars do far!
Hugs ubw!
<in the voice of derek jacobi> Where have the aprilites gone? Iggl piggl have you seen the aprilites?
I need to get a life! Did everyone have a good bank holiday weekend? Or are you all still recovering from heat stroke? <glares out window at sun wondering where it was yesterday>
Head shoulders knees and toes is a new favourite, although shoulders gets missed all the time! Poor shoulders!
Hello Fizz
It has been a lovely day here. Tomorrow it is going to rain, and it is my birthday. Ho hum.
Boob appointment at the hospital on Thursday. Ho hum again.
We had a jam packed weekend, so we are all knackered.
We went for a fab walk on Saturday. We walked about 6 miles, ds3 was in and out the buggy, but ds2 walked about 5 of those miles. He was absolutely shattered
It was lovely to do such a long walk again, our distance has been limited as ds2 has refused to walk anything over a couple of miles.
I hope you're having a lovely time Kitty 
I didn't realise the weathe was supposed to break tomorrow. I've been enjoying getting a bit of colour.
Are you doing anything for your birthday Ali? I hope you have a fab day 
Everything crossed for the boob appointment {{squeeze}}
That squeeze was for the whole of your body, I wasn't groping your tits 
Arf at ILike having a grope!
Happy birthday for tomorrow Ali!
B in bed, dh at football. Just me
and my knitting plus Holby city! When did I become Middle Aged?
Apprentice is on later! Best quote from the clips so far "I have many fingers in many pies, and as many fingers as I have talents" gold, comedy gold!
ILike that has made me laugh 
Not up to much tomorrow, we had a lovely weekend with my parents and one of my brothers, and I got cake and singing. I might go out for lunch with T, although he is going through a dreadful phase with table manners so perhaps more stressful to go out!!
Hope you have a loevly day tomorrow, Ali.
We've had a lovely weekend - very warm and sunny. We've played with the water table, visited friends, went to the pub on Sunday afternoon - it's usually quiet then so toddlers can run round and not be causing mayhem to other customers (who were all outside anyway). I had one of my first drinks this pregnancy - a lovely half of perry 
Back to work this morning and then to the park again this afternoon for an ice-cream.
I've also used the good weather to put anything that stayed still long enough into the washing machine, then onto the line.
Who was asking for DVD recommendations? We haven't tried any films but M loves to watch the Mr Men alphabet hunt. The intro song is really annoying and gets in my head but she seems to enjoy it and has now started pointing out letters in books. I didn't think we'd be doing things like that for a good while yet!
Hello,
Happy birthday, Ali. Thinking of you for tomorrow - hope it's all entirely reassuring.
We had a lush weekend. We went camping, F loved it! We had some great bonding time, best bit was having him snuggle in with us on Sunday morning. He woke up with us again after a bit and just stared at me grinning at being in the tent! (And the tent is just incredible, btw!)
The new sleep plan is going well. We've not been pushing a bedtime, but instead focussing on getting him to lie down and go to sleep without the mayhem. So over the weekend it was after 10pm each night (but with corresponding lie in!), and so far this week he's been asleep by 9pm, which is about normal for him. We're now going to try to bring that bedtime forward. We've banned TV, cars and noisy toys after tea (only books & jigsaws), and I'm still sitting in his room while he drifts off. But so far, it's a lot less stressful.
Major issue this week is that we ran out of paper liners for the cloth nappies. He's also decided to eat a bit more this week, and is doing a bit of teething, so we've got several acidy poos a day, onto nice grippy fleece liners. YUK!
Work is starting to ease up a bit too. And year 11 finish in a fortnight. So things are good (although examining starts in 3 weeks!)
Goodto hear things are less stressful UBW. Bedtime plan sounds workable.
Dh keeps mentioning we should get a tent
Last time I camped was at T in the park 2000! And that's not real camping, plus the endless supply for booze made things easier! I would compromise at a caravan! Maybe!
We are a sick house again! Althgh the amount of food he is putting away this morning is worrying. But at least he wants to eat eh? <prays for no more vom>
UBW glad bedtimes are less stressful and that you had a good weekend
Boob is all well!! It is just a fatty globule <lovely> but nothing concerning at all. So, so relieved. I burst into tears when they said.
Fizz - fingers crossed for no more vomit!

So relieved for you too, Ali!
<high fives Ali> woohoo 
The camping sounds fab UBW
as does the bedtime routine 
I hope the vomit has stayed away today Fizz , how has the play group sessions been going?
A switch seems to have flicked in ds3, he has become a stubborn tantruming little so and so. Tonight I feel mentally and emotionally knackered. I hope it's only a VERY short phase. He's knackered from it as am I <frazzled>
No more vom! Thankfully! But he got his appetite back and ate loads.
Playgroup has been going well. He loves it. I'm down to help in a couple of weeks! Eek!!
Whoop Ali. That's fab. Have 
Hello everyone.
Things sound better ubw.
How are you all now fizz?
Eek ilike
We had a wonderful week. Boys were great. A has his 3rd tooth and is super clingy. S has become very independent and strops when you tell him no! He walked for miles on holiday. Doesn't have straps on his highchair now. It's a baby dan without the waist. He chatters constantly and is putting several words in a sentence. He's also shy. AND he's two tomorrow.... Reminiscing to this time two years ago when I was in ridiculous labour etc etc drama drama.
Happy birthday S xx
Glad you had a fab holiday kitty 
The tantruming has abated for now. I think some of it was down to his last tooth coming through. It's nice to think we're at the end of teething.
Happy Birthday S! Glad the holiday was good!
F was asleep by 8:20 tonight! With no issues. I'm gradually, night by night, moving closer to the door too, so hopefully within a week he'll be able to continue by himself.
We bought him a proper single duvet today. He keeps waking up with no covers, and has been asking us to properly tuck him in, which is pretty impossible with a cotbed duvet.
Things are so much more relaxed at the moment. I love it!
DH is rapidly heading towards the end of his course and still hasn't got a job for September. At this rate, I'll have a house husband!
Hullo <pished> just been out with my CM (I know all sorts of MN rulers broken there) but she is my age and a lot fun! I don't see the issue ith now!
She has introduced me to th nys of the local! And I did karaoke! Nuffink said!
Ps not pg this month! Feck!
<off to find drunk thread!>
Hope your head's ok this morning, Fizz....
Am sat here in bed feeling so sad, advice please ladies. It's the opposite of your problem in a way, UBW, so I hope I don't sound insensitive.....DP and I have done alternate nights/early mornings with DS ever since I stopped BF when DS was 5 months. Around Christmas, probably linked to final molars at the time, DS would not accept DP, it had to be me, and it's never worn off. It's now even the case when he wakes up for the day, it has to be me, he just screams at DP if he tries to say mummy's asleep etc. Now I appreciate that this must be horrid for DP, and it's not like I never get narked with DS myself, but every time I have to listen to them struggling with each other, DS yelling, DP gradually losing his patience (he's never awful BTW, but does end up saying eg oh go back in your cot then, you're such a silly boy, in a cross voice etc). I know he's trying to change things so it's better for me, but the crosser he gets the worse DS yells and it's all so confrontational and horrid, very unlike the rest of our parenting. Then I end up going in to give DS milk anyway, DS is then so worked up he flounces back to bed, I then feel really peeved with him......etc.....so when like today it's the weekend and therefore officially my lie-in, and DP's dragged DS down to the telly, I'm awake and upset and can't settle.
Oh dear, reading that back I sound like a selfish old cow. Anyway, any ideas on how we can make any of this a less stressful experience all round, given that I think we're not going to change DS really, he's only two, and a normal phase, presumably. 
Sorry, DP is doing the flouncing, not DS!
Might also add that it doesn't help that all this is happening between 5 and 6am generally due to DS weird gene-defying early waking habits......
Morning Daisy, I do understand but I've got no idea, I'm afraid.
F has done a bit of this, but seemed to get over it when I've had to go away overnight a couple of times (even when he ws still BFing). Then there's just no option, they have to get on with it.
Any chance you can take a weekend off?
After having big hopes for the big duvet, F woke up twice overnight having crawled backwards under the duvet and got stuck! He's never done that before! I should have expected it though! The second time I left the side untucked so he could at least flap the duvet off a bit. (It was already gone 4am, so I'm not sure if it was any help!)
Daisy we had the same problem for a bit but it was just a phase we had to work through. I took to sleeping in his room for ages!
Hurrah for the fatty globule Ali (that sounds strange) I'm so glad it wasn't anything more sinister.
glaikit you make me laugh
I dare not post on MN when pished. Not that I'll be in that pleasing state any time soon but I don't really miss it.
Hullo <sheepish> wine is evil.
Aww Fizz I'm sorry I mised you last night! I was online too (at work) Hope you're feeling a bit more human now?!
Ali Yay for fatty boob
Excellent news!
Glad sleep is improving UBW
And Daisy I'm not sure what I can suggest re: DP & DS but it sounds very stressful for you. I'm the opposite where all R wants is her daddy just now, which is fine sometimes but I get a bit peeved when he works all week and just comes and swoops all the glory at bedtime and the weekends!!
Thanks, all. Think I overreacted a bit this morning, have been streaming with cold all afternoon, thanks DS, so think I'm just a bit under the weather. Will sit down with DP tonight, thank him for trying to help, but suggest that for now we just roll with it, he brings DS the moment he kicks off just so we can cut down on the grief. Once he's downstairs with DP he's fine and I can hear them having a right old giggle together, it's just the initial wake up bit. Pick your battles and all that....
So pleased you're ok, Ali, such a scary thing.
We had a gorgeous walk last Sun, Ilike, where DS walked for far longer than ever before, scampering around in the woods like a little faun, so happy and in his element. It felt like releasing him into the wild for the first time! Such a happy sunny day. We had to force him to let DP carry him in the end because he'd gone white as a sheet, muttering I walk, I walk, under his breath like an endurance athlete!
Hats off to taking two tinies abroad, Kitty, glad it was so lovely. Is work and MIL situation better now?
Aargh. It's all gone to shit.
F hasn't had a nap today, he's so ready for sleep. But he's gone back to being a terror. He's in time out for the second time already.
So do I a) persevere and accept the next 2 hours of stress, or b) admit defeat and take him downstairs and risk him learning that he can prat around and get his own way?
3rd time out. He's blowing raspberries at me.
I'm stuck, I can't reward this. What do I do?
Think daisy said it, pick your battles. If you are getting stressed out everything he does bar sleeping is going to increase that. Take him downstairs, put on in the night garden or some thing and let him fall asleep on the sofa. It isn't rewarding him, it's keeping your sanity. (((Hugs)))
Just chatted with DH, who has said the opposite. He's taken over. I'm munching cake downstairs.
It was all going so well. We just started way to early this evening.
Ugh UBW that is difficult. I do think this patch where they drop their nap is extra hard, because really if they get overtired then you are dammed either way.
Will he drop off if you put him in the buggy and walk? Not ideal, but it isn't giving in in the way that he wants you to, and it gets you out of the situation of backing yourself into a corner with the timeouts if he isn't going to co-operate with those.
Thanks for all the cheering about the boob - and thanks for making me go and get it looked at in the first place. I think I would still be stressing about it while trying to ignore it if it wasn't for you lot! 

Daisy - T is like that, so so determined to do everything for himself. Cute, but somewhat trying at times!
x-posts. Nothing wrong with a united front/two-pronged attack. Toddlers are not logical creatures anyway 
I think I'd rather ignore him downstairs than take him out now. At least that'd be some semblance of a routine. (Tried taking him out in the buggy earlier to get him to nap: no luck).
I'm still hiding in the kitchen. (Extractor fan on now so I can't hear the ridiculous annoying noises he's making). It's Sunday nights like this that make me glad I've got work tomorrow
that's bad isn't it. But true all the same.
I can hear him running around. I might suggest a half an hour downstairs break. With only books.
Eating cake while DP takes over seems sound, UBW. Have a
too. It'll just be a blip.
Monday morning relief every week here. Do not feel guilty!






