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November 2012 - Vent, chat or brag

(1000 Posts)
StuntNun Tue 29-Jan-13 12:21:34
NotSoNervous Tue 29-Jan-13 19:36:41

Marking place as I fail miserably to catch up on 700 pages of the last thread

ValiumQueen Tue 29-Jan-13 19:50:21


PurplePidjin Tue 29-Jan-13 19:51:50

Signing up

Pikz Tue 29-Jan-13 20:05:30

Bragging about getting to eat my dinner with a fork AND knife. It's a novelty!

Brockle Tue 29-Jan-13 20:17:43


fruitpastilles Tue 29-Jan-13 20:30:37

Marking place, also bragging that S has been fast asleep in her cot for 30 mins. No doubt she'll give me a rough night now for bragging!

fruitpastilles Tue 29-Jan-13 20:42:44

Spoke to soon! Knew it was to good to be true hmm

KatieLily12 Tue 29-Jan-13 20:57:01


Today started grim- more food refusal and my 'try 3 times' for naps was a fail so bust out sling. Decided to go to baby yoga anyway and SO glad I did. We both loved it! LO slept well, fed well (!) then finally pooed as her grand finale!

Can't wait to do more baby massage/ yoga, it saved an abysmal day.

Going to try nap time again tomorrow. Wish me luck!

ComradeJing Tue 29-Jan-13 21:41:55

New thread already? I miss so much here being on the other side of the world!

Right, I need advice re DS sleep. He's 10 weeks now and his "nights" are 10pm - 10am ish (with wake ups for feeds). How do I bring it forward so he goes down with dd at 7? He just WONT sleep earlier. He has a good sleep around lunch time which he largely self settles for but in the afternoon his reflux kicks in so he just wants to be upright and wont settle and only cat naps.

Any ideas?

Evilwater Tue 29-Jan-13 21:43:02

You know I've been feeling very cold, I've been reading my old posts in the antenatal thread, and I started out to be cold all the time too. confused

Not sure if I need to POAS.


ComradeJing Tue 29-Jan-13 21:45:16

Also - where is the weight loss thread?

Feeling very jealous of everyone who can do baby yoga etc. Impossible with a toddler.

ValiumQueen Tue 29-Jan-13 21:45:31

BP you bad piggy. That was pass's thread!

J has pretty much lost his voice. Doubt I will sleep for worrying. Have cot elevated, angel monitor, but will still be into him every five minutes. I am worried I will not hear him if he needs me. I will rely on my boobs to wake me. They will tell me when he needs a feed. Of course that is if I get the chance to sleep...

Hushabye, don't you cry,
Go to sleep my little baby.
When you wake you shall have,
All the pretty little horses.
Blacks and grays, dapples and mays,
Coach and six white horses.
Hushaby, don't you cry,
Go to sleep my little baby.

I insert Billie for baby. From the film flicker I think.

ComradeJing Tue 29-Jan-13 21:46:00

oh dear evil...

Hello new thread!


Comrade - M is the same, does 10-10 or 11-11 with feeds in between. I'm hoping she'll just shift earlier herself confused I'm not worrying too much at the moment. I probably don't want her to shift til 7 yet anyway as DH only gets home at 6. Someone will be able to give you better advice than me though smile

BigPigLittlePig Tue 29-Jan-13 21:48:50

Good luck katie. Having achieved naps in her crib for the grand total of 2 days, we're back to using the sling. Hey ho. It means my hands are free.

For only the 2nd time since LO was born, I have had a bath whilst alone in the house (well, apart from LO). I can only attribute this to the fact that she is worn out from the days activities and is sparko in bed smile. Her bed grin. DH has abandoned me to play football sad. The only negative about the bath was the cat getting cocky, missing his footing and falling in.

Evil I've been to Exeter once even though my brother was at uni there for 3 years so also not all that familiar! I do recall there being a large Tescos just off J30 of the M5, which might be better cheaper

LO starting to stir, bang on time for bedtime feed. She's slept brilliantly just under some blankets, so am in two minds whether or not to use sleeping bags tonight.

Evilwater Tue 29-Jan-13 21:50:05

I don't think I'm updiffed. Havnt had sex for ages. Plus I have no sickness.

GTbaby Tue 29-Jan-13 21:55:26

evil hugs.
reading the old thread has me convinced i'm not PG, i have none of the symptoms at all, so feeling relieved. however not POAS as haven't managed to get a pee stick. i don't want to tell H, and i cant go to the local chemist as news will get back to the family before i get home!
have found the local clinic so will book an appointment to get the injection. as much as i want a small gap i do not want to be preg just yet.

GTbaby Tue 29-Jan-13 21:57:44

how many threads has Pass tried to finish now?

Evilwater Tue 29-Jan-13 21:59:02

Just been to the loo, and AF is here! (Hurry grin).phew
I don't think I could handle another pregnancy and a colic baby! I do want another one, but not yet.

PennieLane Tue 29-Jan-13 22:02:40

I'm so sorry to hear your DS is ill VQ,you've really been through it. brew

My LO is 11 wks and still v much in 0-3, think we'll get a lot more out them, she's 9.5lbs unless 12wk growth spurt is epic!

zcos my LO started doing 11-6 at 8 wks, was 9lbs, gradually brought it forward to 10-7, will keep bringing it forward till 9.She feeds to sleep, just zonked on me now, but will wake if I leave room till she's fully off. She won't self settle initially.She does v occasionally wake at 5am (1-2 per week)Her naps in the day are usually 8-9am then 11.30-3.30 without waking, which are in the pram, won't sleep anywhere else except there it me in day. TBH rather than any of this, I think it's the hammock and luck-which will probably run out soon. 3 friends had the same and then were suppered by regression or teething, so I think it all evens out in the end. Hope that helps!!

Wow for crawling 8 wk old! That's amazing!!

Ps whoever recommended the DeLonghi dehumidifier-thank you!! It's amazing! 6 litres in 12 hrs!! (Sorry, I know that's only exciting/interesting to me!) biscuit

PennieLane Tue 29-Jan-13 22:04:34

Good news GT!! Been wondering how you're getting on!

Hope my last post wasn't a brag, genuinely wanted to answer zcos! blush

Evilwater Tue 29-Jan-13 22:09:56

Big sounds good. Can't wait.

BigPigLittlePig Tue 29-Jan-13 22:12:56

Evil are you on fb? Will check what days I have the car next week when dh home and let you know when I'm free.

Evilwater Tue 29-Jan-13 22:13:30

Yes I am, I'm on the group too.

DonnaDoon Tue 29-Jan-13 22:18:14


Sophiathesnowfairy Tue 29-Jan-13 22:31:39

Have lurgy :-(

TheDetective Tue 29-Jan-13 22:36:09

Evil we are synchronised! Period for me too! I think I'll start taking my pill tonight. Am crap at it though so I'm double bagging grin. I'm also scared I'll get a dvt as my bmi is way over what is recommended for the combined pill. sad I had to sign a disclaimer.

Fatima only reason he is in 3-6 is length. He is nowhere near filling them weight wise! He would still be in up to 1 month if he wasn't so very very long with mahoosive clodhopping feet. 0-3 is okay but there is no room for growth so I put him in 3-6 babygrows. Pants/tops fall off in 3-6 though. I think he is around 11lb 7. I am taking him to be weighed on Thursday. He was 10lb at 6 weeks.

BPLP I have a sheepskin liner in the Moses basket. No idea if it helps, he does sleep well considering though. VQ where did you hear about increase in SIDS? I found stuff to say that it increased the risk if your baby sleeps on it's tummy but not on it's back.

MM I'd get that gaffa tape on order! Oscar did a little shuffle up my tummy last week, and I was impressed with that but bloody hell you've got one feisty girl just like her mum!.

Passmethecrisps Tue 29-Jan-13 22:36:26

Buggery balls.

Still have my last-post virginity. Ah wells

VQ I am properly fucked off that your family are laid low AGAIN! WTF? I do hope you get some rest tonight - I know that is about as likely as a not very likely thing but all the same. Please, genuinely let me know if I can do anything.

MissL oh, that was a good question about the results. I would imagine that the ethics committee will insist that any participants are made aware of how to access the findings. I would love that unless it confirmed my suspicions that p and I are weird

The feet to foot thing is interesting. P wiggles so far down that she can still end up completely covered as she sits cosak legged on the bottom of the basket. As a result I now put p right at the top of her basket in her Velcro swaddle with a tiny but of cellular blanket over her feet and tucked in to the basket. I do that to form a 'seal' at the bottom of the basket to stop her falling out the end. Sounds unlikely but as she has an elevated basket I have found her essentially sitting on the end of the basket with her legs hanging over the end.

I love hearing about the nursery rhymes you all sing to your babies. P likes insy winsy spider but I struggle to remember any others. At bath time I sing "splishy like a fishy, splishy like a fishy" over and over again at different speeds. Sometimes I vary it to "swishy like a fishy" which is slower and accompanied by me swishing p's legs from side to side. She likes it but it's not terribly exciting.

Although I did remember a couple of songs in scots which my granny used to sing to me so I have been singing them to her.

TheDetective Tue 29-Jan-13 22:42:39

Why does Oscar smile waaaaaay more for DP and Ds1?


Mummy rejection sucks. I hope he still loves me sad

GTbaby Tue 29-Jan-13 22:46:42

foot to feet thing hmm ill be honest i dont do it anymore.
there is only about 50cm gap above LO head and top of crib, and also he seems to like being at the top as he wiggles up.
he seems to kick the sheets of himself as well.

last time i put him in a grow bag type thing he just kicked about alot, but think a bigger grow bag might be better, have one someone, just got to find it.

Izzybuzzybuzzybees Tue 29-Jan-13 22:54:21

Goodness I just can't keep up!

Had a bad night yet again with J and my dd was up too. Just fed him and going to attempt taking him up to bed. Will need a lot of luck!

GTbaby Tue 29-Jan-13 22:57:47

Good luck transfer vibes being sent your way izzy

Izzybuzzybuzzybees Tue 29-Jan-13 23:04:09

Upstairs now and feeding again!!

Passmethecrisps Tue 29-Jan-13 23:07:50

Good luck izzy

Babies are weird. If p is asleep when I put her in bed I can guarantee that she will wake in 10 minutes upset and needing settled. If she is awake she will mostly stay asleep once she gets there

YellowWellies Tue 29-Jan-13 23:08:52

Pass Jonas did that when swaddled - the crib is still elevated but now in a grow bag he doesn't Cossack anymore. He does sound like he's running a marathon with his limbs flailing some nights though. Definitely poorer sleep for me listening to him - but he seems happier! Though his sleep is lighter hmm

TheDetective Tue 29-Jan-13 23:11:59

I think Oscar gets the whole bed time thing now. Sucking, shushing and sheep not been required again tonight. And despite only getting up at 12, he was still ready for bed by 9.30, so we bathed him, and fed at 10, he was asleep and settled by 10.30.

He seems to be flexible, if I get him up earlier, then he goes to bed earlier, but if I co-sleep in the morning, he will snooze away, but still goes to bed at an okay time. I quite like that flexibility.

Adding up how long he has slept in the last 24 hours, it is quite a lot. He still can't stay awake for much longer than an hour. 90 minutes maximum.

I am a jammy bastard. Eternally grateful jammy bastard.

<Spreads sleep sprinkles to everyone>

Passmethecrisps Tue 29-Jan-13 23:12:36

Weird yw. I wonder what it is about the swaddling?

We are still trying to get p used to not being swaddled. No luck yet

GTbaby Tue 29-Jan-13 23:14:15

Pass. Do u think LO wakes up n thinks "wtf, how did I get here?" N so is unable to self settle.
I moved LO other day n he looked confused when he woke up.

kirrinIsland Tue 29-Jan-13 23:22:02

I have to say I hadn't even thought about feet to foot because she's in a sleeping bag. She pretty much fills the Moses basket now anyway so it's a bit of a moot point. She'll go in there again tonight, but then I'm going to try the cot - just want my interview out of the way first in case I get no sleep at all!

Passmethecrisps Tue 29-Jan-13 23:22:15

I think that's exactly what happens Gt I think be wakes and panics because she isn't sure what's going on. Where as if she wakes after self-settling she can sort herself out because she knows what's going on.

TheDetective Tue 29-Jan-13 23:34:13

If anyone spots a nice red pram blanket anywhere, please let me know where, or link me! I want one to go with this plus other things I bought to mix and match!

I have blankets in every colour. But not plain red. Or red/white striped.

Yes. I admit. I'm a coordinated freak. blush

Everything needs to match. Down to dummy and socks. If applicable! I get antsy if they don't!

Was exactly the same with DS1. Poor kids.

GTbaby Tue 29-Jan-13 23:47:12

A blanket is a blanket right?
I got an ikea blanket. One of those 3£ ones. I can use that for LO right?
I so det they have them in bright red.

kissyfur Tue 29-Jan-13 23:53:53

Wow another new thread already! Hope I can keep up with this one..

LO finally passed out on the boob after being awake and grumpy all evening, going to attempt transfer now, please stay asleep baby!

kirrinIsland Wed 30-Jan-13 00:14:40

Why why why won't she take a dummy? she's been nicely asleep next to me on the bed, I put her in the Moses basket and she instantly starts getting all frantic. Get her out again, latch her on, she chews on me for 3 seconds and then goes back to sleep - and we start the whole process all over again. We are now on round three. I am loosing the will to live.

ChunkyChicken Wed 30-Jan-13 00:17:08

Too tired to do much more than mark spot...

Good night y'all!!

ValiumQueen Wed 30-Jan-13 00:17:16

Take up knitting detective

pass thank you. I really appreciate your kindness. There was a bug going around the school just before christmas and we avoided that so I think we have not done so bad. When you have one baby you can keep them protected from a lot of bugs but when you have more, then the bigger ones bring home everything and share. I had managed to keep the girls away from J pretty much until yesterday when I popped to the kitchen briefly thinking B was behind me. I returned to find her full on snogging J. He looked very puzzled, soggy and a bit breathless. She looked very pleased with herself.

J has slept for two hours so far tonight. Have had fun trying to get brufen in him. He is very hot and unlikely to settle until his temp comes down. A hot baby is a very scary thing. I am encouraged he was able to wake me, but his cries are pitiful. If he feels half as bad as I do I pity him.

His nappies are pea green smelly mucous. Gross is not the word. He is weeing ok and seems to be feeding relatively well. That is a good thing about bf, when they are ill it comforts them a bit.

ValiumQueen Wed 30-Jan-13 00:19:13

kirrin I feel your pain. It is so frustrating.

ValiumQueen Wed 30-Jan-13 00:22:23

detective you would be horrified at some of the things J wears. The other evening he had a pink spotty nightie, white hand knitted cardi, and blue stripey socks. He looked fab!

ValiumQueen Wed 30-Jan-13 00:23:34

With aa tiger print nappy. Forgot the best bit.

TheDetective Wed 30-Jan-13 00:25:42

I know I'm a knob blush.

TheDetective Wed 30-Jan-13 00:29:12

It's okay, I've found a couple on eBay. I can continue my blanket fettish. blush

Just need a cardi now. Preferably red.

ValiumQueen Wed 30-Jan-13 00:44:22

Brufen is bloody good you know. Different baby after having it. Calpol not touching, but you are not meant to give it for more than 24 hours without seeing a doctor according to label.

About the sheepskin. It was 6 years ago and I recall it was to do with fibres. May be a pile (Get it?) Of rubbish, just put me off. Cost me a lot too.

And he's vommed. Cue complete change. Was just a matter of time.

ValiumQueen Wed 30-Jan-13 00:54:39

Back to grumpy baby. Oh well.

GTbaby Wed 30-Jan-13 01:01:28

VQ. We have pea green poo earlier too! Normally mustardy. So that's mucus?
So burfen is better? H is at work. Will ask him to buy some on way home in morning.

TheDetective Wed 30-Jan-13 01:07:11

VQ I think you should breastfeed the older kids and DH. To prevent further germs occurring! I think DH might like that idea. grin

I am not good with poorly people. I have zero patience. I dread anyone being ill. It is usually me though...

ValiumQueen Wed 30-Jan-13 01:08:48

The pea green can indicate they are fighting an infection, and you said H was very snotty so that adds up. The texture of it was really slimy, so that is mucous that he swallowed. Usually he vomits it back like just now. Mucous can sit building up in their little tummies. I would prefer he shitted it all out.

Brufen can be given from three months but not for long periods. I always prefer to give calpol as it is easier on their tummies, but his temp was near 39 even after calpol so I wanted to whack it. It did the job. I only give meds if temp over 38 or in obvious pain. He clearly has a sore throat and seemed to be sore all over, like I have been.

Well, he appears to have settled. That took two hours. Great.

ValiumQueen Wed 30-Jan-13 01:12:17

detective DH suggested that very same thing today and both girls seemed worryingly keen.

Bf provides some protection, but as DH said it is not a broad spectrum vaccine to all known ailments.

Now then detective and GT unless you are feeding, go the fuck to sleep!

TheDetective Wed 30-Jan-13 01:23:47

I am watching Taken 2 miss VQ! I will be going the actual fuck to sleep shortly grin.

Oscar is very restless tonight. Not woken, but has moaned and groaned over the monitor since 11. confused

I suspect a crap night ahead. But not as crap as yours lucky you VQ... I reckon he will wake when we go to bed.

GTbaby Wed 30-Jan-13 01:40:08

I just been watching dexter. "Who the fuck r u?" Lol.

Now watching 50/50 movie.

My little bubba is all sniffly n wiggly.

Calpol do a plug in? Ever try it?
Is there a baby Vicks?

GTbaby Wed 30-Jan-13 01:46:28

Baby Vicks exists. Can use from3months +

TheDetective Wed 30-Jan-13 02:07:59

Karvol capsules safe from 3 months. I like those when I'm snuffly.

Now in bed next to a farmyard... hmm.

Good(fingers crossed)night. smile

GTbaby Wed 30-Jan-13 02:14:49

Just googled those det n I remember them from when I was a kid lol.

Lists of meds to buy sent to H.

Pikz Wed 30-Jan-13 03:06:15

Why tonight all of a sudden are we back to 3 hour wake ups but still taking a 6oz bottle. God help me at 12 weeks.

KatieLily12 Wed 30-Jan-13 03:26:18

Oh all these self soothing babies! Hope LO starts that soon or she'll never nap or sleep by self in evenings. She currently seems to be quite attached to my little finger- she grabs it and starts suckling. Wondering if I should try a dummy? Trying to get her to use her own hands is apparently unacceptable as far as she's concerned.

How long did you all persevere with the beginning of naps? If she wakes she's awake instantly so I try shhhhhh-ing and rubbing her gently but she's not going for it. Just gets mega pissed off. I have a 3 tries rule to keep my sanity.

Hope all the poorly ones slept it off!

wellieboots Wed 30-Jan-13 03:35:18

I think I have missed the last 10 threads or something - in fact, have I ever posted in postnatal?! But I have been lurking. Just can't keep up with you ladies.

DD is gorgeous, not much into sleeping in the day so I get nothing donewinkShe will be 12 weeks on Friday. She has reflux hmmand we are still trying to get the meds right, we reckon that is the prob with the daytime sleep. Nights are much better - she does either 11 hours with 45 mins or so awake for a feed somewhere between 3 and 5, or she does 9 hours in a block at starts the day at 6. I prefer the first option!

Any reflux mummies with tips on what makes a difference?! I can't sit on the sofa all day for the next 3 months!

Hello to everyone, including a fair number of newbies

ChunkyChicken Wed 30-Jan-13 04:49:31

Hi wellieboots. I remember your name from the earlier threads!! Didn't we have a similar due date? EDD 19/11 for my LO - but he was born 11/11.

I was feeling a bit envy of the all the sleeping-through babies, especially as DS is quite Chunky & slept through for 4 nights (7+hrly feeds) weekend before last. However, he is no in a similar pattern to your DD - goes to bed between 8 & 9 (after my 2.9yo DD is safely in bed) and generally doesn't stir for a feed until 4 or 5am and then back to sleep until about 7 or 8, on a good day. So 11hrs in bed, a quick dream feed before I go to bed & a 30mins feed doesn't seem too bad I suppose!!

Yellowwellies & Passmethecrisps have medicated reflux babies, as do a couple of others, so I'm sure they'll have lots of hints & tips.

Thechick Wed 30-Jan-13 04:56:19

Not having a good night. I've been soooo tired recently. Dh has had to help a huge amount with the night settling. H sleeps from 9.30 ish to 9 waking every three hours or so but tonight I just couldn't keep my eyes open until now. And he had a wakeful period at about 12.30 which is not like him. We've stopped the swaddling, it seems to have stopped working.
GT how did you find 50/50. I think it's one of the most depressing films I've ever seen.
Katie I don't really persevere with naps but we don't do a strict routine. When he wakes, he wakes no matter how long.

zcos Wed 30-Jan-13 05:02:34

vent today was a bad day dd crying a lot not.sure what started that off she refused my nipple lots earlier too I had to take my top off eventually was 11pm she normally cluster feeds for bout 4 -6 hours so thought I would be up with her feeding for that long but she managed to sleep from 12-4 phew! hope today isn't like tommorow sad esp as she has her jabs and I need to speak to some adults at mother and baby group ... if I get to go! heavy rain!

zcos Wed 30-Jan-13 05:09:33

pennie how did you bring forward the sleep - earliest dd will sleep is 11.30pm think at the mo I would be happy enough with an early sleep 9 would be fab even if she still only had one block of 4 hours.

Grrrrrrr after poonami this morning her swaddle is in the wash - settled her in sleeping bag with one arm out which was fine 12-3 then she broke free and after twatting herself in the face and the sides of the crib she's been a witch ever since - feeding to sleep but will not transfer. So tempted to fuck bf'ing off and switch to ff - my other 2 were such a dream compared to this madam!!

She's such a stroppy short tempered little moo!!

Hey wellies!!!

Pikz Wed 30-Jan-13 05:59:20

And now 25 mins awake so far for no reason that I can work out apart fr to drive me bananas. Terrorist at work this evening

kirrinIsland Wed 30-Jan-13 06:36:59

Seems like there have been a few bad nights. Hope some of you fared a little better. At 11 weeks we are yet to go more than 4 hours, and for the last week she's not even managed that - just short of 3 hours is as good as it gets, and she only does that once a night, then it's back to waking every hour and a half or so. I'm hoping that next week, when she turns 12 weeks, will be some sort of magical transformation (after the growth spurt of course!)

Right, got to get up and ready for my interview. Can you cross your fingers for me please?

ValiumQueen Wed 30-Jan-13 06:48:16

kirrin fingers and toes crossed. And a little prayer sent that you stay awake and can remember at least your name x

Last night was like an episode of keystone cops except with sick kids. I got a bit of sleep amazingly. I am phoning the gp today as DD2 has been ill since friday and still very hot indeed. Also concerned about the other two. DH feels awful and keeps telling me his symptoms. I fucking know. I fucking have the same thing! Except I am caring for four others plus myself. Grr.

Sophiathesnowfairy Wed 30-Jan-13 07:04:53

detective look at tuppence and crumble where the star blankets are from. The yhave all colours and sizes and are really lovely.

Good luck Kirrin

hope J is a little better this morning VQ , my two are coming down with a cold again too. Got to be careful with DD1 after last time sad

Jabs tomorrow. Woo hoo.

Last night DD1 didn't kick me once so I slept. I take back every mean thought I ever had about her grin

KatieLily12 Wed 30-Jan-13 08:11:21


Another bad one here. We tried to give me time off for dinner etc but she got herself in such a fit I had to feed her again. I didn't mind the feeding after such a tricky day of feeding and it saved me expressing.

Finally went to sleep, no joy weaning from suckling on my finger but she did go down on the bed rather than on top of me. Woke 2am for usual 30 min feed but seemed unsettled. Promptly threw up most of feed do her and I had to both change. Reflux really bad so I had to lie her along me, sat up and let her suckle on my finger again as she was so upset.

I read somewhere that reflux babies particularly like to suckle which how she ended up with my damn finger in the first place- desperation one night to give her comfort.

So with napping today, do I wait till she's really sleepy before putting her down? She usually fights it like a champion so I have to watch her, then the minute she goes a bit whingey or glassy eyed: start rocking.

Thens the tricksy bit. Put her in her crib and I get:

Confused look (why am I here mummy?)
Maybe I'll try a smile at mummy to see if this is a game (mummy facepalms)
Confused look
Cross face
Rampant kicking/ fighting of swaddle.
Wide awake yelling


Passmethecrisps Wed 30-Jan-13 08:36:19

Morning all,

Good luck kirrin

Welcome back wellieboots. Sorry to hear about your baby having reflux - it's a bitch. How you are feeding will make a difference to the meds. P has a cow's milk protein intolerance so is on nutramigen formula. She is 11Ib at 11 weeks old and is on 1mlx3 rinitidine, 1.5mlx3 domperidone and 6 sachet infant gaviscon per day.

Sorry to hear of the poor nights for people. I think this weather makes it doubly hard.

P doesn't seem very hungry at all at the moment. She was typically taking 120ml per feed now it is a bit of a trauma getting 80ml in her. She seems bright enough - maybe ever so slightly snotty but doesn't seem unwell. I am telling myself to relax about it, give it a couple of days and just make sure she is still healthy. She is sitting in her bouncer whacking her legs like mad and smiling so I can't think she is poorly.

GTbaby Wed 30-Jan-13 08:40:10

Katie it's hard when they don't self settle x

VQ ur night didn't get much better thanks hope ur three four feel better soon n dr is able to help.

Chick didn't watch the end. Tried to sleep and then 20mins later LO woke, Shouldn't has bothered sleeping!

LO slept ok. Just did a 5ish hour stretch. But his snotty breathing n coughing kept me awake. He is doing sad moaning at the moment sad

I desperately need a shower. sad

Passmethecrisps Wed 30-Jan-13 08:40:59

katie the suckling thing is big fr reflux babies - they swallow back the acid rather than hold it in their mouths. We hadn't used a dummy until p showed reflux symptoms so I tried one in desperation. At one point I genuinely thought she would need one all day and night. Now she occassionally has it after meals and likes it to go to sleep with. Have you tried different types of dummy? We use tommee tippee closer to nature ones but have vent ones and they look completely different. It might e worth trying some different types.

Pikz Wed 30-Jan-13 08:42:01

I think my small terrorist is having a hahaha mummy you think you've worked me out... Now watch this...day.

I'm thrilled confused

GTbaby Wed 30-Jan-13 08:45:16

Zcos when I tried moving LO bedtime forward I went up at chosen time. Dark room. Feed with soothing music on. N kept trying to move him to crib.
Took a few days. But got there eventually.
1st I found he would b wide awake when is take him up n then our routine would calm him down n eventually he would sleep. Then he started getting sleepy at 7 before i took him up, as he got used to his routine.

Yay! Someone returned my lovely babies!

I also worked out what was wrong. I forgot to give them their reflux medicine on Monday evening and Tuesday morning sad. I feel very bad about it.

Anyway, remembered last night and won't be forgetting again! Their sleep was back to normal last night. I feel much more human today.

ChunkyChicken Wed 30-Jan-13 09:04:46

Glad you had a better night garden

Poor you VQ but at least you got some sleep. Don't you just love ill DHs??!!!

Katie try a newborn dummy. We use tommee tippee. She might reject it at first as its cold & plastic but you'll soon know if its working. My 2 both have dummies but generally only to help with self-settling to sleep.

kirrin I take all my moans back. DS is going (on average) 3-4hrs all day & night at the mo, so I have it v easy compared to you. You have my sympathy.

GOOD LUCK FOR THE INTERVIEW KIRRIN!! <shouts in case you've fallen asleep> grin

GT & thechick ever seen the Watchmen? That is the darkest, most miserable film I've ever seen!!!

Are the star blankets instead of snow suits? DS is growing out of his quilted pram suit & I'm not sure whether to get a snow suit (thinking down/padded type thing), another pram suit (if I can get one) or something else.

Thechick Wed 30-Jan-13 09:07:30

Katie I'm in the same boat as you when it comes to napping. H usually feeds to sleep.


chunky yeah the star wrap is instead of a snow suit - will last them a while longer than snow suits and are very snuggly should be on commission blame Sophia she pointed the website out lol

KatieLily12 Wed 30-Jan-13 09:28:38

Good luck kirrin

pikz you make me chuckle

LO grizzling so curtains closed, Ewan on and rocking. Prepared to sit next to her as I did before, if I can get her down. I think I'll get a dummy to try tomorrow. Thanks all. Any more tips greatly appreciated.

Katie try putting a comforter down your top to smell of you. I do this with both girls. One uses a muslin as a comforter and the other a bunny thingy from Tesco. I put them down my top while feeding and then into their cots while they are settling. Both girls like to rub their cheeks/faces against it. I also have a sleep sound machine and I play white noise during naps and night time sleep. I do the same thing for all sleeps. Draw the curtain, put white noise on, into sleeping bags, they are given their comforter. Sometimes I make shush noises too.

Hope that helps.

KatieLily12 Wed 30-Jan-13 09:44:55

Thanks Garden I was eondering about comforters but she hasn't taken anything yet. Might try muslin....

Attempt no 1 coming up- she's snoozy !

horseylady Wed 30-Jan-13 09:47:06

Up every hour coughing.

Dry cough not like the last one!! Poor little man sad given him some cough syrup as all you get is cough cough cough awwww he's now smiling and cooing away smile

KatieLily12 Wed 30-Jan-13 09:48:42

Abort! Screamed blue murder. Back to pacing now with screaming baby

Pikz Wed 30-Jan-13 10:01:18

That's it I've told LO he's going on eBay or to live with nanny. He seems to prefer both those options to mummy.

KatieLily12 Wed 30-Jan-13 10:05:15

Wow. Attempt 2 and she's rage filled.

I am thinking about how she prefers to sleep- on her tummy next to me. Date I do it for naps against recommendation?

YellowWellies Wed 30-Jan-13 10:06:34

Garden I didn't realise your twins had reflux - that's gotta be hard.

VQ hope the lurgy is lifting and someone is looking after you brew

Wellieboots as pass says reflux meds depend on how you're feeding. I'm BFing and Jonas like P also has a CMPI which is treated by me cutting all dairy and soy out of my diet - envy woe. He also has omeperazole (4ml twice a day). If babywellies reflux is linked to cows milk - none of the meds will work without cutting dairy out of your milk / their formula (depending on how you feed). Also make sure their cot is elevated.

All of my cousins and siblings kids have reflux linked to cows milk intolerance - so I've had great help with the meds - here's a short summary:

Omeperazole and ranitidine both work by reducing stomach acid so that when they reflux there is less likelihood of the acid burning their throats. Omeperazole is the stronger and more expensive option - so you have to fight for it on the NHS - its the only thing that worked for us.

Domperidone works by flushing food through the stomach super quick and can give BF babies diarrhoea (it can work well for FF babies and those on gaviscon as that can cause constipation).

Gaviscon is the cheapest meds for reflux, the one most GPs will push you onto and can work v well for those bottle feeding. It works by thickening the stomach contents so they don't come up the oesophagus. It can cause constipation and this can make reflux worse in some babies. As you have to give 15ml with each feed its nigh on impossible to give to a BF baby. I refused to even try it. It does work really well for FF babas.

There are lots of different meds available try them all on their own and in combination and you'll find the right one/s for you. Now J is medicated and I've changed my diet his symptoms have 98% gone - so don't despair it does get better xxx

YellowWellies Wed 30-Jan-13 10:10:38

Garden I'm going to try that comforter trick during naps - but not today - me and the boy are going shopping in Edinburgh and he'll be snoozing in his buggy - can't wait for RETAIL THERAPY!!!! Not hit the shops since we moved down grin

BigPigLittlePig Wed 30-Jan-13 10:11:13


Good luck kirrin, I can barely string a sentence together so I'm v impressed you're managing an interview. Let us know how it goes.

There seems little point in positioning LO anywhere specific in her cot. Woke up last night to find both legs poking out between the bars, with her head under her blankets. She was frantically rooting around in the blankets for food, v sweet.

vq here's some more thanks - hope things start to turn a corner soon

TheDetective Wed 30-Jan-13 10:45:27

grumble grumble grumble. crap night. feel like a turd butty. now the wind is whipping up a storm outside. winnie the pooh is currently being tossed around the garden hmm stupid dog thief.

dp is in bed. me and oscar are downstairs. before the wind started the sun was blazing through the windows showing every single piece of dirt/dog hair known to man. i thought the house was relatively clean confused. obviously not.

i've just rang to chase my physio referral since i've started pissing myself that was sent 6 weeks ago, to be told they haven't received it. rang gp, who says it was sent. detective has quite the cob on this morning.

some poor bugger is in for it later today.

there. that feels better.

good luck today kirrin knock 'em dead!


MadamGazelleIsMyMum Wed 30-Jan-13 10:48:12

<runs into thread wearing virtual blue body paint and channelling Mel Gibson in Braveheart>

FREEDOM!! DH has taken DD and DS to PIL for the day! What shall I do with this gift? Am very tempted to do nothing, but I need to make birthday cakes for DD's birthday tomorrow and then go into work again to finish what I was supposed to do on Monday as I was too busy catching up on gossip!

Good luck with the interview Kirrin.

VQ rubbish luck with illness in your household flowers

YW enjoy the shopping not envy much

Pikz I doubt he prefers anything to mummy really. Hugs.

<runs back out of thread and around house beating chest like a madwoman>

MissMummy1 Wed 30-Jan-13 10:51:41

Bloody doctor receptionists. Matilda has an umbilical hernia which has developed into a pollip (sp?) and become slightlt infected. Yesterday: "nope no appointments before monday, that doesnt sound like an emergency". I phoned this morning: "bring her in today because she is so young".

I could have (and did) tell them yesterday I thought it needed looking at sooner rather than later angry

Sitting fuming waiting to be seen now...

YellowWellies Wed 30-Jan-13 10:54:08

Sending lots of love to the wee dote MM hope it goes well

BigPigLittlePig Wed 30-Jan-13 10:54:29

It's been said before but I'll say it again - thank god for extractor fans grin

YellowWellies Wed 30-Jan-13 10:54:50

Was it the evil blonde receptionist with the specs?

Sophiathesnowfairy Wed 30-Jan-13 11:03:59

Good luck kirrin.

Hate winter sunny days detective makes the house look terrible and always highlights a chin hair you Ne er knew you had.

We all have the cold. And had a crap night from crapville.

We wen to see our photos from our photo shoot this morning. I always get o exited to see them. Oliver looks so yummy, DS1 has got to have his snot airbrushed. Typical. grin

PennieLane Wed 30-Jan-13 11:22:13

grin Madam!

Good luck kirrin!
zcos re bringing forward sleep. We started at 11, and now at 10pm. She feeds to sleep and takes 30mins to feed, so I started bringing the feed forward by 15 mins per week. So started feed at 10.15 for 10.45 sleep, then 10 next week etc we're now at 9.30 for 10pm, next week will start 9.15 for 9.45. She doesn't self-settle initially so only thing that worked for me. Want to bring bedtime forward before starting to try self-settling, think that will be hard!

Good luck Kirrin

YW DT2 suffers more with reflux than DT1. Being prem is the reason for them suffering with it. Seeing the pediatrician again on Wednesday. And yes, it is tough but it will pass. Enjoy your shopping trip smile

KatieLily12 Wed 30-Jan-13 11:44:49

garden that's interesting about prem. while not prem, LO was 8 days early (she tried to make a break for it from week 33). I've always wondered if some of the things like sleep and reflux were influenced by it. The overdue babies in my group just seen so 'with it' in terms of feeds and sleep.

Madam I too am LO free until 2.30 and instead of sleeping Stoopid woman I'm running errands in town and getting a pedicure!!! Boobs might explode lol

I know what you mean katie. I was in bed thinking about exactly that last night. My girls are 17 weeks but 11 weeks corrected and there is a massive difference between them and other babies. I can see they are behind developmentally but I am not overly bothered about it. The pediatrician says that they will have caught up by 3 years old. Have realised I probably wont be able to do BLW like I really wanted to. I think I will do purees and give lots of finger foods until they are able to fully feed themselves then cut out the spoon feeding. 7 weeks to go until I can start weaning, so not long.
Pediatrician said being prem and sharing an environment (the uterus) makes a big difference in development.

It must have been scary having your little one try to escape at 33 weeks! What happened?

Clarella Wed 30-Jan-13 12:02:00

here you all are!

BRAG: we have orange poo!! block feeding worked! well it turns out I never stopped block feeding after week 2 so need to find a way back as we're on 3 hour blocks now. shit night but maybe tonight will be better as the poo was still green from the night.

my god Dh and I are obsessed with poo. its our golden ticket to more sleep.

btw,more and more I feel lots of stuff is gestational linked. esp development

Clarella Wed 30-Jan-13 12:03:48

thanks for your support re oversupply advice on the last thread ladies smile I'm very sensitive apparently. also on too much thyroxine too hence ability to be wide awake in the morning after no sleep! bollocks - that will go soon!

Clarella Wed 30-Jan-13 12:22:52

ok attempting a catch up - evil get that thyroid tested chick! (sorry if already done so!)

Elizadoesdolittle Wed 30-Jan-13 12:25:16

madam your post made me smile. An having a very shit today so that's an achievement. Am currently drowning my sorrows by drinking decafe latte. Wish it was wine! Anyway biking majorly wrong, just having a bit of a woe is me day. Both kids are being good though so thank heavens for small mercies. Enjoy your child free day madam. Of course I'm not jealous at all smile

Elizadoesdolittle Wed 30-Jan-13 12:27:01

Gosh the typos on that post were shocking! Meant to say having a shit day, but nothing really wrong. Gees I can't even type right today!

KatieLily12 Wed 30-Jan-13 12:31:05

Yay for orange poo clarella

garden I had a high risk pregnancy right the way through but got really run down with a house move and urgent repairs to new house. I got a UTI and it set off contractions. I went in to MAU to be assessed as felt 'weird' and they asked if I wanted gas and air!! So bed rest for 3-4 weeks then about a week of being able to function then I had a nice massage.... Bam! Waters broke!

You must have got a big fright, 33 weeks is quite early. Glad little one made it to very near 40 weeks.

madam your post was hilarious grin Enjoy your gift!

Your DP is most welcome to come and pick up my two on his way to PIL.

ChunkyChicken Wed 30-Jan-13 12:43:21

Thanks glenda we're hoping to get to Sandy Balls in the New Forest for a short week break at the beg of March so he'll need something warm...

Am exhausted for no real reason & DD in a whiney mood, yeh!! hmm

Am v v v envy madam esp after my afternoon of freedom was such a failure... Enjoy!!!

Madam envy enjoy yourself.

I was just thinking yesterday, OMG, this is it, I will never again have a day off. Every single day from now on for the rest of my life I will think about, worry about, care about my children. That's a long time.

And on a more practical level we will never get a real day off until both children are at school. Relatives live too far away and I don't trust half of them to babysit anyway, and to be honest I don't really want to go out for the day without DH. So I really really have to find a babysitter so taht at least we can have the odd evening out.

We have that problem too PR. It is rubbish having no one around to give you a hand. Ah well.

PurplePidjin Wed 30-Jan-13 13:17:40

Chat: Ooh, chicken that's near me! Let me know if you fancy a coffee smile

Vent: I'm having a woe is me day too, well I'm like it most days tbh blush I'm just so sick and tired of having to cope and be responsible for everyone and everything. Even getting myself a drink and some food is a balancing act between letting R cry and therefore raising dp's blood pressure, or asking dp to get it and therefore raising his bp, or just going without. They went for a walk to get tonight's dinner earlier (i actually managed to get clean shock) and i asked dp to get me some chocolate bars so I've got something to grab for an instant energy hit when i don't have time to make real food. He got me chocolate sweet things and i just want to cry because i meant some kind of biscuit bar to grab on a hurry - i don't fecking well eat sweets! angry

Brag: nowt

StuntNun Wed 30-Jan-13 13:21:55

Dear Baby, please stop throwing up on my boob. Thanks, Mummy.

Hope poor M's okay MM. I take it an umbilical hernia won't get better without treatment then?

Watchmen is a brilliant film, Chunky. Alan Moore is one of my favourite authors although the film versions of some of his other books aren't as good as Watchmen, e.g. From Hell, V for Vendetta, League of Extraordinary Gentlemen. As with many films though, the book is better!

Those with the star wrap, J is in 3-6 month clothes so would he be better with the 6M+ size of star wrap?

DH left for Sweden this morning, then he has meetings in Trier (is that near you PR?) and London next week. At last I get the bed to myself. grin

KatieLily12 Wed 30-Jan-13 13:25:23

Brag: little miss just did some beautiful tummy time while I did some massage song I picked up yesterday (then just made shit up as she seemed to be enjoying it)

Chat: garden it was terrifying because I wasn't allowed any assistance due to blood clotting. No injections, no c section, no forceps etc. so being early was a chuffing disaster. Thank god I managed to cross my legs! I assume that you were early with the twins? (Forgive me, I'm new so I'm not sure of everyone's stories)

Vent: boo for bad days for everyone! Sun is out on the one day I decide I can't be arsed to wrestle miss into her suit/ sling. Oh well

Yes Stunt Trier is about an hour and a bit away. Lovely city with great ice cream bars. Awful weather though at the moment.

ChunkyChicken Wed 30-Jan-13 13:28:53

Ah bless you pidj that's so hard for you. I can only imagine how much pressure you're under. Could you get a food delivery and order loads of cereal bars, rice cakes, dried fruit & ready-made sandwich fillings? That way you'd have something to eat on the fly...

Have you chased up the help you need? What about seeing your GP? Is there a charity that could offer support/advice?

Katie I had a section planned for 38 weeks (both transverse) but my gigantic babies and bump didn't let me get that far. Twin 1 lost her fluid very slowly and at 34 week scan she had none so they did a section the next day at 34+5. Luckily babies were big for 34 weekers...5lb7 & 6lb1 and only spent 3 days in NICU & 5 days in SCBU. Had a good, healthy pregnancy though.

They are both asleep now. Bliss.

KatieLily12 Wed 30-Jan-13 13:35:38

garden mine is dozing off while I attempt nap no 2 today. She managed 40 mins after a rage filled hour, nurse & falling asleep on me!

You and the girls are absolute stars! Well done!

GTbaby Wed 30-Jan-13 13:42:58

Anyone else loosing clumps of hair?

Pikz Wed 30-Jan-13 13:45:37

Stunt yes to 6+ plus. I ordered that for L as he's in 3-6 clothes. It's not huge.

Good luck Kirrin.

Hugs to everyone.

The terrorist is currently laying on his changing mat sucking his hands happier than he's been all night and morning. I give up!

Brockle Wed 30-Jan-13 13:49:02

yup gt my hair has fallen out after all 3 of my pregnancies. less each time and stops after a month or so. best to have shorter hair as you seem to lose less .

Yes, loads. Shit.

Clarella Wed 30-Jan-13 14:12:34

pidj I'll brag for you - doing an amazing job with young baby and poorly dp. and you do need to get drinks and food yo look after yourself. scoff the chocolate in one go and give yourself a sugar rush oh and somehow you find time to crochet lovely things smile

GTbaby Wed 30-Jan-13 14:36:02

Having cuddle time with LO. Watching true blood. grin

KatieLily12 Wed 30-Jan-13 14:50:48

Ok managed about 20 mins in crib each time before epic meltdown resulting in needing to nurse as nothing else will soothe

At a loss. She seems to have no self soothing skills and her separation anxiety is through the roof. I guess I just keep trying till she realises I come back/ she learns to sooth?

Pikz Wed 30-Jan-13 15:03:15

Katie what about putting in the pram or something with you next to her. When LO won't nap like this Arvo I've put him in swing where he can see me and he's nodded off.

Catbag Wed 30-Jan-13 15:16:09

So, this morning my 4 yo DD managed to tip 4oz of the 6oz of bm I had just freshly expressed onto the living room carpet. I was very distressed, but got over it. Then I managed to get my babies' age wrong. Genuinely though they were 14+1; turns out they're actually 15+1 <<useless mummy emoticon>>

I have managed to watch three series of Prison Break (a Christmas present to myself) in five days and tonight we are all having Subway for dinner cos neither DH or I can be arsed to cook <<lazy mummy emoticon>>

I kinda suck today sad

Catbag Wed 30-Jan-13 15:19:20

gt Love True Blood- watched the first four seasons last year when I should have been doing uni work. My hair is also falling out at a shocking rate sad

daisy Are you a law person too?!

KatieLily12 Wed 30-Jan-13 15:28:41

catbag cut yourself some slack. I also claimed LO was 2 months yesterday when she's nearly 3 (where is my baby going?)

pikz good idea except she wants up the minutes she's cranky you know? I've never known her 'drift off' anywhere other than being rocked to sleep or on my chest suckling my finger.

I'm starting to lose it a little....

ChunkyChicken Wed 30-Jan-13 15:44:15

So DS is going roughly 2-2.5hrly for feeds since 4.30am, after doing 43hrly feeds yesterday. He's 11+3. He's cat-napping as a result of the frequent nursing need but is generally quite happy, although goes 0 to hungry cry in seconds.

Hands up who thinks its the 12wk growth spurt fairy come early?

ChunkyChicken Wed 30-Jan-13 15:47:34

Good point stunt about size of star wraps & thanks pikz. DS isn't quite in 3-6 in all clothes but it won't be long... I guess the bigger wrap will be useful nxt winter, whereas a snowsuit is only useful now. Is the wrap genuinely warm enough, over say, a bodysuit, babygro & cardigan?

PurplePidjin Wed 30-Jan-13 15:51:31

Chicken there probably is, but afaik my hv is still "pondering what support would be best" - direct quote from Other hv at clinic last week. That would be two weeks after i requested support and the second time I've cried at them luckily my gp is fab and I'm seeing her on Friday, the SureStart support lady has done a HomeStart referral and sorted the tax credits wankers people out and my mum is going to come and help clean the house next week following the massive guilt trip i laid on her yesterday for spending her life shopping with her friends instead of playing with her only grandchild Plus I'm seeing dp's physio lady on Friday to check how I'm coping.

I'd love to do a big online shop but getting out every day is the only thing i get that approaches a break - R is happy in the sling. He refuses to be put down for more than 3 minutes, and even grotters at you if you don't entertain him to a high enough standard hmm

Thanks Clarella thanks <wipes away bit of grit stuck in eye>

I tried to make Yoda this morning (next on the list) but didn't have enough wool so need to go to the shop asap! Luckily i estimated I'd be starting on Monday so lots of time - i aim for one a week so i don't let anyone down if I'm going slow for a while!

I have no idea how many weeks LO is. I check each Friday, then forget again.

PurplePidjin Wed 30-Jan-13 15:54:34

Katie I've got one like that. Will. Not. Sleep <aaaaaaaaargh> I'm eternally grateful that he does 4-5 hours 9-1/2 every night then usually another 2 or I'd have cracked up by now.

kirrinIsland Wed 30-Jan-13 15:55:48

Thanks for all the good luck vibes. It went ok I think? Not only did I remember my own name, I even remembered to write it on the test paper!

Hope you are all feeling better soon VQ and that you manage to get some sleep in somewhere somehow.

pidj you are doing a great job. It's hard enough without the extra stress and workload that you have. Can you get any help somehow? Mothers help? Cleaner? Child care student?

N had a bottle of ebm this morning as I wasn't there, and then slept in her bouncer for nearly 3 hours. This is unheard of! I'm not sure if it was the bottle or the absence of me that did it, but I am tempted to try another bottle tomorrow to see what happens. When i fed her when she woke she took a proper feed rather than snacking so Perhaps if I do that for a few days she might learn to space her feeds out a bit? Or i'm being optimistic and it was just a fluke?!

PurplePidjin Wed 30-Jan-13 15:59:13

Glad it went well, kirrin, fingers crossed!

Dp was on a low income and i was made redundant so no spare cash here smile

Got the girls 2 cute vests each. One says Sugar & the other says Spice. And, one that spells out Love. LO on the one vest and VE on the other. I do love dressing them up!

BigPigLittlePig Wed 30-Jan-13 16:10:00

Katie we can lose the plot together over our velcro babies. Having spent most of the morning in the sling, she was as good as gold at boob group. Upon our return home, she point blank will not sleep anywhere else other than in the sling/on me. I have tried the crib, the bouncer, the pram. On her back, side and front although that made me paranoid. She's back in the sling. Hopefully it's a phase and it won't last don't know how heavy a baby I can carry like this

BigPigLittlePig Wed 30-Jan-13 16:10:46

garden grin isn't that what twins are for??!

ValiumQueen Wed 30-Jan-13 16:11:11

cat you never suck! I will resist the temptation to be smutty. I will not mention Sandy Balls either.

J is asleep on my lap. The only place he can settle today it seems. High temp overnight, but only slight today. Needing pain killers though as clearly very sore. Snotty as a box of snot, but breathing is ok so far. Eating fairly well, weeing ok, green poo. Grumpy. He slept in his cot overnight but kept crying out.

Girls and DH no better, I have no fever! Yay!

bigpig grin yes!

KatieLily12 Wed 30-Jan-13 16:32:18

pidjin sounds like you need some flowers. How old is LO? Madam was exactly the same about playing till 10 weeks but now amuses herself till she realises I should be observing her!

BPLP how old is yours? I was just on the phone to my mum who said I had 2 options: let her cry or keep going and eventually she'll suddenly fancy a bit more independence. I've said before I'm crap at crying and she doesn't do grizzly cry just 'I am so distressed I'm going to vomit any second' screaming. So crying is out. That leaves me with carrying on. (Pulls on sling) here's hoping that Dr Sears knows what he's talking about with AP eh?

Garden please put them the right way round at all times so muppets like me don't get confused.

You lot all seem to know each other? Are you all local? (Hopes someone is in London)

Pikz Wed 30-Jan-13 16:32:34

Chunky yes it is. I'm using instead of pram suit due to Luc despising pram suits.

I think I might have a 12 week growth spurt going on at 10 weeks. My smiley baby is a grump who shouts at me a lot. Is eating every 2/3 hours after 2 weeks of 4/5 hours day and night. I am tired and he is shouty.

MissMummy1 Wed 30-Jan-13 16:39:58

Yes YW it was the evil blonde cow. Stunt I was told it would heal naturally within 2 years but as it has become infected (despite me neurotically cleaning it 3/4 times a day with cooled boiled water) she's been described a steroid cream to help encourage it to heal. If that hasn't sorted it within a week she may need surgery sad sad sad Luckily she doeent seem too bothered.

Why do doctors receptionists feel it necessary to give medical advice? You're a receptionist love angry . I'm tempted to file a complaint.

GT yes, M's beautiful dark hair is falling out with avengance sad . Dp's calling her wiggins because her side burns have stayed put! My sisters hair did this and grew back as blonde ringlets so who knows what her hair will do now!

MissMummy1 Wed 30-Jan-13 16:40:43

bloody autopredict PRESCRIBED!!!

PurplePidjin Wed 30-Jan-13 16:53:05

Katie, flowers would just die and be another thing I don't have time to deal with. The price of a proper bunch would pay for a cleaner for a couple of hours so I could have a tidy dust-free living room! Feel free to sort my "garden" (patio full of pots) out though wink

R is 10+2 but was 11 days early and is only just over 9lb so I think he just needs to finish his 4th trimester. In the mean time <stifled scream>

<arf> at Pixies' French bicycle twins grin

MadamGazelleIsMyMum Wed 30-Jan-13 17:06:18

MM hope your LO improves with the cream

garden I agree with bigpig, definitely have some fun with dressing them when they're too small to object!

Pidj no advice, just the old MN adage of "this too shall pass"

kirrin fingers crossed.

katielily everytime someone addresses a post to you I get excited due to my first name! Then I realise... Ha! I think there are some people close to London, but some people on the thread have been together through conception threads, antenatal threads, and now this post natal one, and we talk A LOT, so it seems like we do. And a couple of people, YW and someone else, MM maybe? do actually know each other IRL.

Well, my day was lovely, birthday cakes made (chocolate sponge decorated with pink icing and in shape of butterfly, and lemon drizzle cake) and went into work and had good productive time. Now making dinner ready for their return. Expect DH will be basking in the success of his parenting even though his mum would have done most of it.

StuntNun Wed 30-Jan-13 17:07:44

Only MM and YW actually know each other in RL Katie by some obscure in law relationship that I have never quite worked out, I suspect one is the SIL's sister of the other. We only seem to know each other because we talk a lot and have done for some time!

I weighed J this morning on my bathroom scales and he was 13lb 7oz then I weighed him again just now and he was 13lb exactly. This morning was just after a feed, this afternoon was just before a feed. It really makes me wonder about those people that were told their baby hadn't gained weight enough in a week.

MissMummy1 Wed 30-Jan-13 17:17:32

My mum used to live next door to YW 's twin DSis, that's how we know each other!

MissMummy1 Wed 30-Jan-13 17:19:24

Oh and we're on day 10 no poo. GP said to give her a teaspoon of brown sugar in 100mls of cooled boiled water. And stand back. Any opinions before i try this?

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I give up. I can't keep up!

MM. My mum said to do that if the girls have bad constipation. Apparently it is what she used to do.

horseylady Wed 30-Jan-13 17:28:43

Just posting quickly yellow - I've sent you s message on fb.

blonderthanred Wed 30-Jan-13 17:30:31

Hello new thread, oh hang on it's not new any more.

Brag: I managed to get L to fall asleep and have a day nap in his Moses basket! For 2 hrs! Night times he seems to have no trouble settling himself to sleep (with a little help from Ewan & dummy) but days he will only sleep on me or in car seat. So today I decided to make a concerted effort. It wasn't exactly self-settling, more like Mummy-stroking-your-face-for-half-an-hour-settling, but the point being he went in the basket awake and I got him to sleep! I am delighted.

Vent: the formula seems to be making his tummy so poorly. I know it is helping him gain weight but oh how I wish he could poo more frequently and with less pain. It's been 2 weeks on Aptamil now so I thought his digestive system might have got used to it but it actually seems worse, he is only going every other day (gallons, projectile, --often over DH--) and as soon as he hits 24 hrs post-poo he is inconsolable, high-pitched screaming, legs pumping etc. for hrs like being back in the early colicky days. DH and I were both almost in tears last night trying to calm him. Don't know whether to try a different formula but aren't they all the same?

Chat: we have the Morrck blanket which is a similar principle to the star blanket and we really don't need anything else - he wears a vest and sleepsuit underneath. I put a cardi/hoody on extra the other day as it was so cold out but he was sweltering so I won't do that again.

TheDetective Wed 30-Jan-13 17:43:48

Blonder, some formulas suit babies more than others. If Aptamil isn't working, perhaps try SMA as Cow & Gate is pretty much the same as Aptamil. You've given it a good go, and if you think its giving problems, you can try another.

Woe is me. I am tired. So so tired. I should be making tea now, but I CBA. It's my own fault. Early night tonight! If you see me posting past 10pm, tell me off!

I'm going to do the night feed tonight. I'm sick of DP doing it and finding a stinky sweaty baby on top of him every morning. And having to wash the fecking blankets every day as they are also stinky and sweaty.

What is so hard about putting a baby in the moses basket runs away before I get shouted at!! when he goes in fine for me!!

I've eaten twice my weight in junk food today. This does not bode well.

Anyone else have a bizarre first period? Mine can only be described as explosive. There isn't more than usual, but it isn't staying on pads, instead I've got 3 pads on and its going everywhere but the pads. confused I don't think its the pads - since they managed to contain lochia. hmm Sorry. TMI!

MM that should work. Good luck.

DD1 being a real PITA today. I tell her off and she laughs at me. Not even two and she freaking well laughs at me when I get annoyed. I say no, don't do that 15 freaking tmes in a row, and she laughs and just keeps on doing it. I put her on her chair to think about it and she gets off the minute my back is turned.

But a lot of the time she is cuddly and loving and oh so sweet. I have to get a toddler training book I think. It's all attention seeking, that's obvious, but I give her plenty of attention. Hours a day colouring or reading or youtubing.

So why won't she come out of the bloody kitchen when I tell her to. Or come and have her nappy changed. Or stop hitting the poor dog. Or whatever.

Rant over.

ChunkyChicken Wed 30-Jan-13 17:54:12

blonder I obviously cook my baby!! blush He never seems that hot, but he always as a vest, babygro and cardi on under his morrck!! Admittedly ths has only been since its been dead cold, but still... May ask DMIL to get a star wrap instead of a snow suit as she's asking about clothes in the next size up.

KatieLily12 Wed 30-Jan-13 18:10:51

Aw I think it's lovely you've all held hands for so long (still hoping for London bodies though)

I had to move south london so we could afford to buy and I miss north London and our friends tremendously. I went up yesterday to baby yoga and bumped into people I knew, was in a class I loved, knew where to go for snacks etc

It hasn't helped my 'down' mood at all. I need to establish some friends and fun in south London. I really do.

I just tried the baby bath instead of us bathing together. Holy hell the neighbours must think I was murdering her. She likes to sit up but can't yet. She hates those chair things as their inclined. Anyone got any ingenious idea?

blonderthanred Wed 30-Jan-13 18:17:29

Chunky I'm sure your baby isn't being cooked! I just found L was a bit hot and sweaty but the hoody was quite furry.

Det thanks for the info re formula. I will give it a few more days as I guess changing formula could bring its own problems. Just needed to have a whinge as I hate seeing him so miz. Moses basket in day is a real achievement for us but then night sleeping he's been pretty good at - I guess babies just 'get' different things at different times.

MM I know wht you mean about Drs receptionists. Why are so many of them such shockers?

Katie and others it is interesting about the early/overdue thing, L was 2 weeks early so classed as 'full term' but I don't think he was ready the first couple of weeks of his life.

Stunt L was weighed on Monday and scales said he had lost weight - I said that cannot be right and they re weighed and he was 400g more. So even without feeding sometimes the scales are not as reliable as they claim!

KatieLily12 Wed 30-Jan-13 18:17:46

Oooo meant to ask (sorry for multiple posts) but does anyone baby wear? I have a moby so bubba is v close to my skin so I don't know what to get her in terms of an outer layer? I love those star wraps but suspect they might be too warm? I've got leggings and leg warmers sussed by its the top layer that I get confused by

blonderthanred Wed 30-Jan-13 18:19:57

ps Katie I'm in N London btw. Oh and we use a big bath sponge thing in the baby bath to stabilise him which has calmed things slightly.

PurplePidjin Wed 30-Jan-13 18:25:07

Katie, R loved swimming so i run a grown up sized bath and swim him around in it. He loves it, gets lovely and tired! I have a VSL stretchy, a wahm mei tai (bit crap, will be used as a pattern soon) and a hoppediz woven borrowed from the library. I'm also full time fluff smile [hippy]

TheDetective Wed 30-Jan-13 18:38:29

I am in a lush bath. This better fix my mood!

I am falling asleep though...

Wonder which one will disturb me first. My money is on the dog.

StuntNun Wed 30-Jan-13 18:47:22

MM you've ruined the mystery now! I've been wondering about that for months.

Thanks for the sizing tip Pikz.

PR this will fix your toddler. It worked on my DS1 with ADHD and ASD so it will work on any child. The section on play is really interesting, apparently there's a technique to playing with your child.

TheDetective Wed 30-Jan-13 18:52:10

It was DS1. Banging on his wall. For no apparent reason.

I had to get out as I was falling asleep. Am falling asleep sat here now!


ValiumQueen Wed 30-Jan-13 18:53:27

PR totally normal behaviour, and she will just get better. At pushing your buttons, that is. This too will pass. In your case just as your LO is entering that phase.

detective when DS was first born, I looked at the 'staying awake at night' support thread and everyone was mentioning cot transfer. At the time I thought it odd that so many were feeding toddlers who were going from cot to bed. Then I realised they were talking about putting baby down in cot, and I was still puzzled. Then DS, who must have been reading my thoughts, decided to show me exactly what they meant. Never had the problem with the girls. Ever. Taught me so much.

I have found a good way of getting medicine into a sad hot tired bf baby without tears or spilling most of it:

Draw up meds in a syringe, and hold plunger end in your mouth.
Place baby on breast and when they have had a little milk and in a nice rhythm of feeding, gently remove nipple. Baby will be grateful for opportunity to breathe hopefully.
Place drop of medicine on top of nipple, and pop laced nipple back in. Takes a bit of practice.
Repeat until it is all ingested.
Be prepared for disappointment that milk is no longer strawberry flavoured.

This would not work for antibiotics, and could put baby off nipples for life.

ValiumQueen Wed 30-Jan-13 18:55:32

And wash your nipple well after otherwise it gets fluffy.

PennieLane Wed 30-Jan-13 18:55:51

I'm in north London! (Stokey)

KatieLily12 Wed 30-Jan-13 18:56:00

Of course you're in N London Blonder (collapses on floor). ;)

pidjin I love tying LO to me for journies but need a quick 'insert baby here' type sling for the house. She gets too angry when I try to settle her in it with the stretchy ring sling. She won't sleep anywhere but a sling but screams blue murder when I put her in. Once I'm walking she's all eyes and then z's. nightmare. What do you dress yours in to go out?

PennieLane Wed 30-Jan-13 18:58:37

blonder I use yellow aptimal for constipation/colic LO doesn't have either but it seems gentler on tummy. Only give one bottle a day though.

KatieLily12 Wed 30-Jan-13 19:10:14

Oh Pennie stokey is my dream home. I lived in H&I. We should meetup and you can make me jealous. blonder can too.

Katie I lived in south London for 10 years. Clapham. Where are you?

KatieLily12 Wed 30-Jan-13 19:19:31

(Pricks ears) lived? I'm brixton way

Sophiathesnowfairy Wed 30-Jan-13 19:26:08

12 week growth spurt terrorist is asleep.

I feel shit.

Glass of wine and two squares of dairy milk.

blonderthanred Wed 30-Jan-13 19:26:44

Pennie that is the Comfort one right? It might be worth a try.

L is very snuffly since he started the formula as well, is this normal? I've been salining his nose but it has affected his sleep as he is more snorty than usual.

I could do a N London meet, was going to go to the Lakeside one if that's still on the cards as I didn't think there was anyone near me although still tempted by Scottish adventure prob not practical

ValiumQueen Wed 30-Jan-13 19:30:17

(Pricks ears up too) I lived on Brixton Hill for three years. Awesome place. My patch was Brixton, Streatham, Clapham and Stockwell Park Estate. I was a district nurse.

TheDetective Wed 30-Jan-13 19:30:28

I fell asleep. For 10 minutes. Til DP found me. sad Gutted.

ValiumQueen Wed 30-Jan-13 19:32:20

blonder makes wee holiday of it.

ValiumQueen Wed 30-Jan-13 19:33:37

detective biscuit (re: early nights)

Yes, lived. I am now in the west country, Cheltenham. Life is very different here, so much green! Brixton has some good nightlife!

VQ those were some tough patches!

ValiumQueen Wed 30-Jan-13 19:47:37

I had some fun in Brixton blush young (long time ago, think IRA escape) free, single, loads of money. I lived in the Prison staff accommodation. Moved from there to Eastbourne. That was a shock I can tell you. I could not sleep for the quietness.

PurplePidjin Wed 30-Jan-13 19:48:27

Katie i have a stretchy like a moby, all one long piece. Tie on in the morning, pop baby in and out as required.

For out, he wears his vest+cotton grow then on cold days a fleece hooded all in one (Tesco £10) or for shopping centres and mostly indoors i put him in a velour all in one, fluffy ugg type bootees. Always a woolly mummy-made hat grin

TheDetective Wed 30-Jan-13 19:48:48

No one let's me have an early night! Waaaah!

Oscar just had his first proper angry cry (other than when he wants feeding!) and it was directed at the bottle. Wonder what it has done to upset him so much!

MadamGazelleIsMyMum Wed 30-Jan-13 19:49:09

garden there are a couple of us in the westcountry, although further south than you! YY to the green!

Am watching last weeks OBEM. DH has fallen asleep upstairs putting DD to bed. Am tempted not to wake him, but he's got an xbox date loser so I guess I will.

ValiumQueen Wed 30-Jan-13 19:50:23

garden I went from there to the Prison Service. On my first day, a lad asked where I came from, so I said Brixton. Never had a moments problem with any of them as it went around the nick that the new bird screw was a hard nut from Brixton Prison.

ValiumQueen Wed 30-Jan-13 19:51:54

detective is it a slow teat by mistake?

blonderthanred Wed 30-Jan-13 19:52:58

Brixton always = fun to me, lots of getting the first tube home in the morning after a bit of a rave and good nights at the Academy too.

I have some fond memories of Brixton way. A long time ago.

VQ I bet they thought you were hard! I taught in a school where the catchment was Brixton. Tough was just not the word! Made working in any other school a piece of piss though. Saying that, house prices there are through the roof! A friend bought a tiny one bedroom flat for 250k!

Thanks Stunt for the book recommendation. I put it on my wish list. I already bought how to talk so your brat little darling will listen today.

Thanks VQ for the encouragement grin

GTbaby Wed 30-Jan-13 19:55:56

Katie. I'm west London. V near Heathrow.

Det thanks for karvol tip! He sounds so much better.

Evilwater Wed 30-Jan-13 19:57:39

Sorry for going a bit mad yesterday with the posts, I guess I was so excited to be out the house. It's date nite, but so far all its been is bath night for me. Which is nice, because I get to be me.

Garden- I think I am the most southerly poster, now that pasties has disappeared.

ValiumQueen Wed 30-Jan-13 19:57:42

Yes, the Academy << 22 again and clad in leather and lycra or PVC>>

Bagels fresh from the oven on Brick lane after a night of dancing at Big Country.

Wondering why I could never get a date with a Prison Officer (my brother had threatened to kill anyone who went near me)

Stockwell was a scary place. A girl was raped in a passageway just minutes after I had gone through. We wore mufti for safety reasons.

ValiumQueen Wed 30-Jan-13 20:01:44

Comrade is in Southern Hemisphere I think.

garden I was well hard! About 2 years in I shaved my head and had my tongue pierced. I was very fit too in a GI Jane kinda way. That was my nickname, well, that and 'the arse' (in a good way). Good days blush

TheDetective Wed 30-Jan-13 20:03:17

No VQ! All slow teats went in the bin! He's half asleep now sporting a pissed off face hmm

I had my drink spiked in the Fridge. Saw it happen though so nothing scary happened. Told my XP who was there too, and also saw it happen. He said it was my fault for dressing in a short skirt and we argued about it for weeks afterwards. Yes, he was the ultimate king of twats.

KatieLily12 Wed 30-Jan-13 20:06:47

Wow Brixton sounds fun.... Moved Brixton WAY (read: can't afford the gentrified prices) when I was 6 months. Ended up pinging n and out if hospital for rest of pregnancy & now the little growth spurter is here? Yeah....

Love Brixton village, can't wait for warmer weather so I can enjoy it more with miss. Also Brockwell Park has saved my sanity these last few months.

I can do a North London meetup. Or somewhere halfway like John Lewis so I can have comrades if I get attacked for BF-ing again....

kirrinIsland Wed 30-Jan-13 20:08:39

PR your toddler sounds exactly like mine smile right down to terrorising the dogs.

I'd kill for an early night....

VQ that is an image of you I just cannot picture! Good times I bet.

PR he sounds charming!

Yeah it's fun isn't it Kirrin . Nevermind, they'll soon be old enough for us to read Famous Five books to them wink

Thing is one second I want to throttle the little diva, but then she just has to smile, or laugh, or be cute somehow, or even cheeky and I remember how fab she is. Can't be annoyed for long. Luckily.

ValiumQueen Wed 30-Jan-13 20:20:30

I was getting all reminiscent, then I looked down at his little face smiling up at me, and thought nah! Would not swap here and now for the world, as he would not be in it...... then I looked at DH heaving up his lung into a tea towel....

Ah, I feel exactly the same about the girls. Life is different but in a good way would love a day off though

ValiumQueen Wed 30-Jan-13 20:31:22

I was a Prison nurse, but still despised generally as I wore the Officer uniform (size 10 oh yeah! I wore it extremely well, fancied myself actually)

(Apologies if anyone has a loved one inside - this was a long time ago)

"Happiness is door shaped"
"You want sympathy? In the dictionary between shit and syphilis"
"You want a night draft? Open the fucking window"
"Here, have 10p so you can go and phone someone who gives a fuck"
"Yes you can ask a question, but the answer will always be no"

I was actually well thought of I think as I was always fair. I remember one unwell prisoner went to take me out with a snooker ball in a sock and another prisoner tackled him to protect me. My 'saviour' con had a CVA following this.

I'm in Essex but will be going to uni in Greenwich so I can meet up London way!!

rowingdowntheriver Wed 30-Jan-13 20:37:10

katie, I'm S london (wimbledon) so not too far from you

Sophiathesnowfairy Wed 30-Jan-13 20:40:07

Wow vq you can be my hero.

Can't even smell the Vicks. Feel like poo. At least Olly has gone to sleep.

Do you think Lemsip, glass of wine, nurofen is ok? Me not O.

MadamGazelleIsMyMum Wed 30-Jan-13 20:44:03

Is anyone else slightly scared of VQ now?!

GTbaby Wed 30-Jan-13 20:44:33

There is a bad atmosphere in the house. Your mums in a mood. I'm not happy. Just said between me n H. Baby monitor on in living room, where mil may or may not have been.

Oh fuck.

Elizadoesdolittle Wed 30-Jan-13 20:46:35

I used to live in south London. I lived nr London bridge (just off borough high st) for years. And my first job was at arding and Hobbs in clapham so that became a regular going out haunt. Those were the days!

Well we've found another buyer for our house. DH isn't happy as its less than he wanted but agreed to take it for the sake of my sanity. I couldn't be doing with it dragging on. Hope things go smoothly from here so hopefully DH will be more at ease with the situation. I've promised to economise, hmmm not sure what will have to go. I don't spend much on myself as it is!

Sophiathesnowfairy Wed 30-Jan-13 20:48:03

Oh no oh no oh no gt . Hide.

Although, seriously, might be about time you all cleared the air if you are going to live together or any amount of time.

MadamGazelleIsMyMum Wed 30-Jan-13 20:48:39

Oh gt I've done that before. Said how much my mum was annoying me by intrfering with a little argument my sister and i were having. You'll only do it once, if that is any comfort. Can you go and find your MIL and ask if she is ok and make it sound like you were concerned for her? Eek.

daisychain76 Wed 30-Jan-13 20:51:52

Wow vq! I have done a bit of teaching in an open prison and found that daunting enough!

Catbag yes, l am a law person. Used to be a solicitor. Just love law ~ if i was ever going to have a tattoo it would be the scales of justice.

garden, if you don‘t mind me asking, what makes you say you can‘t do BLW? I was planning on doing it with H (who was7 weeks early).

TheDetective Wed 30-Jan-13 20:59:07

Stupid questions dot com.

How often are you changing wet nappies now? Oscar rarely cries for a wet one, so sometimes I forget leave it a little long, he was in one for 6 hours the other day blush but he didn't seem to give a crap...!!

And why does he ALWAYS wait for a clean one to do the actual crap?!

zcos Wed 30-Jan-13 21:01:10

anyone not super tough and or from London?
I'm definately not tough cried at dd injections today.
she is now 10lb.06oz gained only half a pound in 2 weeks I'm dissapointed as this doesn't seem enough! sad

blonderthanred Wed 30-Jan-13 21:02:02

The trouble is VQ, now I am imagining you saying those things in the leather/PVC outfit of your previous comment.

I'm not sure if I like it or not. wink

MadamGazelleIsMyMum Wed 30-Jan-13 21:02:21

Hope this one goes through eliza

Sophiathesnowfairy Wed 30-Jan-13 21:04:05

zcos me. I am a sensitive flower from Birmingham ( but not living there.)

Sophiathesnowfairy Wed 30-Jan-13 21:05:26

detecetive I keep forgetting to change nappies these days! And yes he is very fussy and will only crap in a a clean one.

OBEM and a cup of tea.

BigPigLittlePig Wed 30-Jan-13 21:06:17

More screaming abdabs tonight sad. Katie I couldn’t leave LO to cry it out as some people have suggested because she would make herself hysterical very quickly, and there is absolutely no way she could settle herself. She is 9 weeks old, but was 5 weeks early.

MM - gulp re: poo

detective - overtiredness made me chuckle out loud about your tmi period chat, try explaining that away. Which leads me to my next point…DH just asked, seriously, whether I was secretly a lesbian. I think he thinks I’m busy chatting to some amorous lezzers – hmm poonami and projectile vomit wasn’t part of any chat up line I can remember although the days of chat up lines are a million miles away

KatieLily12 Wed 30-Jan-13 21:09:17

I cried my eyes out at jabs and I've been on the lack of weight gain journey for weeks. Have a hug Zcos

BPLP I can't let her cry either. The temper is epic.

KatieLily12 Wed 30-Jan-13 21:13:48

PMSL at GT genius

Scared of VQ and I used to work in secure mental health!

Wimbledon and Greenwich? That's a south London meet up waiting to happen! The tea house theatre in vauxhall is fab for tea, cake and baby change!

Sophiathesnowfairy Wed 30-Jan-13 21:15:11

Would have spat my tea out bp. If I had made it yet. grin

PurplePidjin Wed 30-Jan-13 21:16:40

I'm a sensitive rural flower i still piss myself laughing at the local teens sayong Fuck then giggling and thinking they're hardcore though although i went to Kingston and lived in some less than salubrious parts of Chessington and New Malden smile

Had my fanny physio follow up today. Apparently my fanjo is a grade 2 hmm

I've got friends in Brixton, streatham and Rotherhithe and relatives in Pimlico. We're thinking of having a London weekend away in March

DonnaDoon Wed 30-Jan-13 21:24:48

Kudos to VQ sounds like a right cool chick back in the day ... My dd is officially a thumb sucker...I am quite pleased because ds2 is one also and really is a contented little chap and if I remember rightly he was about this age when he found his.

MissMummy1 Wed 30-Jan-13 21:26:16

Here, fellow haggis munchers: when is this IKEA meatball meet up happening??

GTbaby Wed 30-Jan-13 21:29:00

blush Oh man.

H asked mum to watch LO earlier. I heard tail end of conv... There is no need for u both to go, why does she need to go, u go get what u need.

I also mentioned this. Thing is soph we don't do things like clear the air. Everything simmers away under surface. N will b bought up later. N madam the damage is done. So no point making out I'm worried about her.

When H has LO he always palms him off on mil. I've mentioned it a few times. But he just says its fine. But feels like I can't take a nap or rest as HE won't b looking after LO she will n will b held against me.

Fuck it. Nothing I said was untrue.

BigPigLittlePig Wed 30-Jan-13 21:32:19

Oh gt in laws are a pain in the derriere.

Am off to bed, fear a bad night is in store as haven't managed to get LO in any position other than upright today hmm

Night all x

ChunkyChicken Wed 30-Jan-13 21:37:28

Had a row with DH earlier. About the same thing we keep rowing about & after "discussing' it for... oooh about 2hrs!! I.e he gets shit loads of time off & I'm yet to shit in peace or have any child-free time since Oct (last day at work). We 'agreed' that we he would have to make it work so I got some me time at some point, ideally once a wk.


DH gets in from work. Brief convo about our day. Says "Thought I might watch the super bowl on Sunday (starts at midnight) & go into work late". I was shock & angry

Was IBU to lose the plot??!!! Seriously??!!

MadamGazelleIsMyMum Wed 30-Jan-13 21:39:20

gt I think that's a universal man thing. DH, an experienced father of 3 and part time SAHD, goes to his Mummy whenever he gets the opportunity and she does the majority of looking after. It's only because we're 40 minutes away that it isn't every time.

MadamGazelleIsMyMum Wed 30-Jan-13 21:42:00

chunky take a leaf out of his book, and inform him of your plans to do something, preferably in the same nonchalant tone i am envisaging him using to you. And no, YANBU.

Pikz Wed 30-Jan-13 21:50:24

VQ I am in awe!! And a little scared!

Chunky I would have flipped by now at him.

Fingers crossed for a good night here. I need sleep

Passmethecrisps Wed 30-Jan-13 21:52:43


detective P never cries because of wee. We change every feed which is pretty much every 2 hours. I think the beef crisps smell is because I forget sometimes and it goes too long. Poor p.

I love all the London stories. I also love the thought of the kindly and gentle VQ in PVC giving crims a run for their money!

DP moved to hackney straight after uni so we courted traveling between Stirling and London. I hated it then - I was very young and from the country. I was scared and thought it was overrated. I have mellowed. More so since DH surprised me with asking me to marry him in our old stomping ground 18 months ago.

Get me, I went back to the toddler group today! There were lots of babies there today so it was lovely. There was a 5 week, 6 week, penny at 11 weeks, a 16 week and an 8 month old. Fab to see them at their different stages. P has been pretty poorly with her reflux the last few days but she had a lovely time. They hunted out a pillow with a raised bit on it so she could lie there looking around her. Smashing.

However, I did confirm my status as instantly forgettable sad I walked in an immediately recognised a lady from pregnancy yoga. I said "oh hi!" And then if became clear she had no idea who I was. Never mind thinks I. Then another lady walks in. Yoga lady looks up and says "oh hi!" Turns to me and says pointing to new lady "she and I were at pregnancy yoga together". New lady smiles at me and says hello politely. I spent weeks bending and grunting in their company - they recognise ech other but neither recognise me.

I always knew I was dull

ValiumQueen Wed 30-Jan-13 21:55:11

I would grin but on phone :-)

I started working in a prison when females, indeed nurses, were still quite a rare thing. And there was only one other who did not prefer girls. I met her on my first morning. Very innocent looking lady with grey hair in her early fifties. I was waiting behind her in the line to go in, and one of the officers said she looked tired. She turned to him, looked at him all serious like, and said 'so would you if you had been taking it up the arse all night'. I nearly fell over. She was my role model.

When I left to work for the NHS they asked me how my first day was. I said it was great as nobody had called me a c**t.

ComradeJing Wed 30-Jan-13 21:56:30

What MadamG said chunky. YANBU.

DH and I had a similar chat recently. I said something along the lines of:

Me:I'm going to a Sydney MN meet up next weekend. I'll take wee DS and DD will stay with you.

DH: Yep, that's fine. I don't mind.

Me: I didn't ask if you fecking mind. hmm

DH has never ONCE asked me if I mind having the children on the weekend while he does something. Yet me mentioning something was like I was asking for permission. He's not usually a nob but it was an angry moment. He won't try it again though. grin

DonnaDoon Wed 30-Jan-13 21:57:59

Fookin ell you've lived VQ <ponders sheltered life>

ComradeJing Wed 30-Jan-13 21:58:20

VQ shock

PennieLane Wed 30-Jan-13 22:00:11

I love living in Stokey, lived on Brick Lane before so its amazing to have green spaces, its really good for new mums! Brixton is pretty cool though, I have friends who live on Long Acre. J Lewis is a good half way point (and excellent scones!)

blonder it is the comfort one, its part digested or something and has much less cow protein-might help with the snuffles?! We didn't get them though so not sure.

ComradeJing Wed 30-Jan-13 22:01:12

Shit nights sleep for me here but a good one for DS. Put 2yr old DD in bed with me when she woke up at midnight but then I woke up about 3 hours later when she was wandering in the hallway calling, "muuuuuuuummmmmyyyy"

ValiumQueen Wed 30-Jan-13 22:04:28

I did tell the story about the firemen being called to ITU to cut the handcuffs off me? That was fun!

I have also been a sunday school teacher.

Passmethecrisps Wed 30-Jan-13 22:04:35

Oh, that reminds me! blonder two weeks is long enough - try something else. It does sound like the formula is not making your LO very happy and it did make me think there might be a cow's milk protein intolerance there. Not for definite but it is possible. We stuck with a formula for a fortnight thinking the situation would improve and mentioned how poorly P seemed to one HV who kept saying it would take time. Then I called another who gasped at the symptoms and made me feel terrible for waiting so long

ValiumQueen Wed 30-Jan-13 22:05:49

All three kids asleep so gonna try myself.

detective if you read this, go to bed!

Passmethecrisps Wed 30-Jan-13 22:06:45

MM I am ready for a haggis munched day out whenever you are. I will
Wear a pink carnation so that I am recognisable rather than the invisibility cloak I usually don

horseylady Wed 30-Jan-13 22:16:07

Pass - lol at preg yoga ladies!! I don't Think I'd recognise anyone. Then again I have cometely blanked ainslie harriott and fearn Britton so........
Det change at least at every feed. If not more. He hates being wet!!

Vq - I once thought about being a prison guard.....

blonderthanred Wed 30-Jan-13 22:17:29

I am from London and a right wuss zcos. We have 2nd jabs tomorrow as does someone else, Petite maybe? Hope I can feed him through them again. Poor thing.

pass I bet you are not forgettable at all. The 2nd yoga goer was probably too polite to say she had no idea who the first one was.

Mini and very petty ungrateful moan: DH takes L while I go and get ready for bed each night but always brings him up as soon as he starts crying. Just once I would like to have a few minutes to myself at the end of the day rather than rushing around cleaning teeth and feeling guilty. But he is very good in general and I know lots of you have to put up with much worse. It's just a small thing that would make a big difference to my sanity. Mini moan over.

Hope everyone gets good nights with blissful sleepy babies....

Dixiebell Wed 30-Jan-13 22:20:30

Was so pleased with myself for catching up with the thread - was 10 pages behind...then jumped to new thread and guess what, ten more pages!!

Was going to make comments about ironing baby clothes (wtf?!) and hand fluff (where does it all come from?! But seems futile now smile

Glad Teddy's photo inspired some to get star wraps! Some of us definitely due commission.

Weird day of feeding with Teddy. He started pulling away from boob every few seconds, crying, kicking out legs. All day. Was just resolving to find a bf clinic tomorrow when we had a perfect feed at 7 tonight. Urgh. It's either wind, bunged up nose or too fast flow. But which?! So frustrating. Hopefully wont happen again but I'm not convinced...

Passmethecrisps Wed 30-Jan-13 22:20:56

You blanked ainsley harriot?! OMG! I rarely forget faces - this is the problem. I see people in the street and can't think why I know them - usually turns out they waitress somewhere or work in the bank. I am shocking with names though.

I am shy - if I could choose any personal characteristic not to pass on to lady Penelope it would be shyness

blonderthanred Wed 30-Jan-13 22:22:09

Oh thank you for that pass, I did wonder about CMPI but thought I was overreacting but maybe I'm not. I will give the HVs a call (wish I had faith in their knowledge).

ValiumQueen Wed 30-Jan-13 22:52:46

Feeding again.

I would not be able to consider a meet for about a week at least to ensure all bugs gone. Tues, wed or thurs best for me due to childcare.

ValiumQueen Wed 30-Jan-13 22:57:44

I could see you as a screw horsey

zcos Wed 30-Jan-13 23:05:49

so am I the only welsh one on this feed... I am sooo excited about the 6 nations starting on Saturday (I know rugby- cliche right wink ).
6 nations has always been the end of my tunnel of the winter!grin
anyone got a Moby sling (views ideas- seems a lot to pay if I don't get on with it)... any other recommendations for something similar - I'm sorry if this repeats previous conversations!
Does anyone else's tiny make a lot of noise eating mine says Oi Oi Oi Oi quite loudly!

GTbaby Wed 30-Jan-13 23:07:15

Major biscuit moment but i need to vent.

Feeling shit. N quite frankly Sorry for myself. I hate going on about it on here as I feel, I don't know, that it will change what/how u think about me. That all I do is moan about my situation. N there is more to me then my mil being difficult.
But just feeling crap n hating here ATM. Obviously mil hearing what I said wont mk living here any better. But I've said worse to her face n she gets over it.
I just hate not knowing what her mood will b like. One min chatty nxt silent. All jokey. Then having a go at silliest thing. I literally feel like im suffocating.

Ok need to snap out of this mood. Need to focus on looking after my darling baby. He is the most important thing in my life n lights up my day. Well maybe not the first 5 mins of being awake at 3am. But even by the end of the feed he makes me smile. When he is over his cold ill b getting out more n that will help.

Focus on the good. My new mantra.

YellowWellies Wed 30-Jan-13 23:08:35

I'm up for a haggis meet up though can't have IKEA food until back on dairy and soy sadly. I don't care will sneak in a pack up! grin

ValiumQueen Wed 30-Jan-13 23:22:36

We could meet elsewhere YW perhaps somewhere half way. So long as there is somewhere to sit and feed comfortably. And the food is not too expensive. And the parking is ok and free.

Kyzordz Wed 30-Jan-13 23:29:15

Phew, I made it! About 20 pages behind last thread never mind this one! All because my wonderful mum took e for the night Sunday night so I slept instead of catching up on here I settled him at 8:30 and didn't see him until the same time the next day, he guzzled his 10:30 feed and was an angel, didn't wake her once. The extra sleep made a difference to me too, I was in bed by 9:30 and slept well, only waking to panic, check my phone and drift off again. He couldn't be anywhere safer so I wasn't worried about him, just feeling guilty for her having him for the night. She is a godsend and said she really enjoyed it, so I shan't feel too bad. He normally wakes me up at least once with grunting and squiggling if nothing else but I'm grateful he behaved

Sorry to hear you're all poorly in camp vq, its so unfair!! and bless you gt sounds like you're doing well to think positively now though!

There was loads I needed to reply too but for now I shall go to dreamland and hopefully not see you all till morning, fingers crossed for good nights all round!

ChunkyChicken Wed 30-Jan-13 23:50:46

Thanks everyone... glad I wasn't BU. I didn't actually add that he did say "is that ok?" Which makes him sound a bit more reasonable but I felt put me in the Mother role, with him asking permission & me either having a truly shit situation OR saying no & being a bitch. He did apologise for putting me in that situation & accepted that he shouldn't have asked me, its not that important to watch it.

I really hate the fact that I feel I'm not enjoying my lovely dc, as all I can feel is the heavy weight of responsibility on my shoulders. I hate the fact I don't feel like DH & I are a team at all.

Case in point, its getting late, I'm knackered, he's got to get up early. I come to bed, he's about to follow me but stays downstairs reading a football match report. So what? you might say. Except he is a miserable fucker if he's tired, he doesn't get up when his alarm goes off, meaning I wake up, he literally only gets himself ready for work (doesn't sort any H/W out etc) in the morning, so if he's late to bed & tired, my life is a bit trickier. And yet he still does it. So either I HAVE to moan/nag/be his Mum OR I end up with a worse life. Rock, hard place much?

Plus we barely hug let alone kiss good night lately. He's passes off I think because I told him I was miserable. I love the kids & want to enjoy them, but how can I when there's laundry to do & meals to make & so on?

I really envy his freedom you know? O doubt he feels guilty he hasn't spent much time with DD....

And comrade EXACTLY!! It's just assumed we'll do it at the weekend like in the week. Why??!!!!! DH buggers off to hockey, so his free time is halved & then wonders why I'm angry.

Thanks for the vent. I needed that!!! blush

Uh oh, DS is grumpy. Best be off. Night all.

ChunkyChicken Wed 30-Jan-13 23:52:05

^pissed off for 'passes'

Catbag Thu 31-Jan-13 02:32:12

It's very quiet in here tonight... I'm going back to sleep now. No doubt I shall be back around four :-/

Pikz Thu 31-Jan-13 02:33:23

7.25 til 2am... You are forgiven for being a terrorist all day yesterday LO. Now just sleep til 6...

TheDetective Thu 31-Jan-13 02:44:49

Fucked off over here too. Sane reason as chunky dp stayed up on xbox. If he even thinks about ignoring his alarm in the morning, I will go batshit crazy.

Also, we always go to bed together. Always. At his insistence. hmm.

I'm sure we are in growth spurt territory. Grumpy baby yesterday evening, fussing. And now awake after 4 hours the same as last night. Where did my 6-8 hours go? Makes such a difference sad will be tired again tomorrow. He's gone through 8 bottles since this time last night. And 4 of them he has only taken 3oz. Damn.

I just went in the fridge for a midnight snack feast and just so happened to notice that something I bought bar of chocolate!! yesterday in Lidl has a best before date of 31/10/12 hmm. Do you reckon if I complain enough I might get free chocolate stuff?!

Thechick Thu 31-Jan-13 02:49:04

Chunky no I haven't seen it. I don't think I could handle anything sad right now.

TheDetective Thu 31-Jan-13 02:52:36

Another 3oz one. FFS. I'm not running snacks r us. He's gonna wake at 5. I know it.

I can't make him take mote because he just pukes it.

He's defo hungry when he wakes. Dummy just gets screamed at and hurled out.

FuriousRox Thu 31-Jan-13 03:10:31

Hello to those of you awake feeding. I yawn in your general direction. Furious junior sleeps two-three hours max before wanting a top up, having slept much longer stretches when he was little. So frustrating. I know I will be awake again around five - sob.

FuriousRox Thu 31-Jan-13 03:23:50

Ooh I have just read back up the thread - hello brixtonites past and present!! I lived there for 10 years and loved it. Now I am over the hill (literally and metaphorically) in Balham/streatham hill. Still love Brixton. And south London generally!

PurplePidjin Thu 31-Jan-13 03:26:05

Why does he have to pick tonight? 2 3/4 then 1 1/4 hours of sleep. Minus the time it takes for me to drop off. I absolutely have to impress this head tomorrow or it's going to be a very hungry year sad

ValiumQueen Thu 31-Jan-13 03:28:15

My sick boy has just slept 4 hours which is really really good. Well done my darling. I slept most of that and so far have not been up to the others either. That is more sleep than I have had for the last three nights put together. I do hope that means they are beginning to get better.

ValiumQueen Thu 31-Jan-13 03:46:17

Waves sleepily at rox

PP I do hope you both get some sleep tonight. R is not doing it on purpose. The other night when J had his best sleep I had my worst night and I thought how bloody unfair. Sod the law of sod!

J is very snotty but did not seem at all distressed during this fairly brief feed. He came off boob naturally and I winded him but he did not really waken so quite dream feed like, except he woke me. He could have probably self settled but I wanted to check he was ok. Am pretty sure I will be up to him very soon. Seems too good to be true.

He had a bit of a cough but certainly does not have an obvious fever, and did not appear to be in pain.

This is one of the worst sickness periods I have known with my kids, both for severity and longevity. Chicken pox was worse, but thankfully they did not get it at the same time. I am so glad I am off work. I hate having to decide whether to stay home with them or not. That is one of the worst bits of being a working parent.

PurplePidjin Thu 31-Jan-13 03:59:45

I know, he's probably just picking up my tension, I'm just used to 5-6 hours uninterrupted from him so it's a shock to the system when he keeps me up. Dp is also awake which concerns me as he needs sleep to heal sad

Yay for yours, i hope this is a sign of things to come for you thanks

KatieLily12 Thu 31-Jan-13 04:02:26

dixie try a more reclined position for feeding and see how LO is. Lean yourself back and if you can, lay them a bit more upright along you. That's how I feed miss.

zcos I have a moby and its my preferred sling. There are better stretchy ones out there which are easier to pull about once tied. The moby is a lot firmer so isn't v forgiving if you tie it on too tight etc. is there a sling library near you?

KatieLily12 Thu 31-Jan-13 04:12:29

Ooooo furious fancy showing a girl around?

pennie let's try a meetup. HandI isn't too bad actually. Euphorium has a baby change. blonder are you in?

Quite exciting stuff!

Sleepy vibes to all the unsettled babes (& mums). A smack over the head with a frying pan for naughty DPs.

kirrinIsland Thu 31-Jan-13 04:17:32

Glad j has has a good sleep VQ - should make all the difference to both of you.

pidj what time is your interview. I expect once you are up and about you'll feel ok, the adrenalin for the interview will keep you going. Good luck.

N fell asleep on me downstairs at half tenish And I put her into her Moses basket, expecting her to wake instantly - she didn't! She's just woken now - that is by far the best sleep she's had since she threw in a random 12-6 at five weeks! Please please keep doing that!

I too get annoyed at the assumption that I will be here looking after the children. DP is pretty bloody good really, but it grates that he can just do whatever whenever whilst I have to essentially arrange it with him if I want to go to the dentist or something equally dull. This evening, he'd just got out of the bath, so I went to hand N to him so I could go for one myself, and he asked me "are you going to have a bath every night?!" shock I asked him was he? He did have the grace to look embarrassed.

ValiumQueen Thu 31-Jan-13 04:33:08

I got an hour. Could be better, could be worse. Snuffly nose woke him it seems as having a sleepy feed. I will let him off. Was having a weird dream so quite glad to be woken from it actually.

ValiumQueen Thu 31-Jan-13 04:44:27

I am quite glad DH has been ill, not in a bitchy way, but because he has seen a bit of what it is like caring for three on your own. He has been stuck in his chair at times just watching me cope as he has not been able to get up and disappear or indeed help. I think he realises what a lucky man he is.

ValiumQueen Thu 31-Jan-13 04:55:01

DH just asked me how my night was going but fell asleep before I had finished telling him. And I was fairly brief. It is the thought that counts.

CandyPop Thu 31-Jan-13 04:56:31

Haha I've caught up and I'm back. Completely missed the last thread but thought I'd try keep up with this one . Only Woking at the mo as LO gone back to 3-4 hourly feed after 5-6 stints during night (growth spurt?!?! )

Brag: bedtime routine seems to be set, been keeping to a similar routine for 2 weeks now and it seems to be working! She also sleeps well in cot at night without much fuss on transfer. Also me and bubba manage to get out most days. Beginning to really enjoy motherhood as we're meeting more new friends through baby group etc. my diary is getting filled out and I hardly have any free days during the week(I get bored easily and cabin fever sets in pretty fast with me!). it does however mean I'm spending a fortune on lunches out and coffee :/ and it also means it makes it even harder and near impossible to keep up with this thread!

Vent:. My belly is still very wobbly and wrinkly sad

Chat: For those experiencing green poo.... My LO had green poo for 5 days a week ago. I phoned gp at the time and he wasn't too concerned as she was feeding well and generally herself. He just said watch out for blood in stool which would indicate an infection . It slowly went back to yellow poo after 5 days. I believe now that her green poo was caused by her cold. She had a very snotty bogey-fied nose during that time and we had given her a few doses of calpol as the cold wasn't shifting.

StuntNun Thu 31-Jan-13 05:05:07

<Shuffles in to announce> six and a half hours sleep. Woohoo! I was so tired last night I was very grumpy and short with the boys, I had to keep apologising to them. The last three nights J has only woken once but six and a half consecutive hours is a new record. I'm glad I went to bed straight after his 10 o'clock feed.

Pikz Thu 31-Jan-13 06:07:26

We made 6am... Come on the baby!

kirrinIsland Thu 31-Jan-13 06:09:34

Yay stunt Thats brilliant smile

Sorry VQ but grin at your DH. I expect you were tempted to hit him over the head with a pillow.

Glad you're doing ok candy. It is really hard to keep up with this thread, I only manage it cos i don't get out enough!

wellieboots Thu 31-Jan-13 06:34:27

Sydney meetup comrade?! tell me more!

Bryzoan Thu 31-Jan-13 06:43:53

vq sorry to hear all your lot are still ill. Sounds like j has been protected from the worst of it thank goodness.

chunky I think I would have said that the superbowl / late in Monday was a great idea - that way he'd be up to deal with any wakening Sunday night and you could nip out by yourself for a bit monday morning while he has the kids if he is in late anyway. It's not like looking after the kids is any work after all... Kirin I am amazed at the nerve of the bath comment. Wierdly my dh was like this when dd1 was born but is much better why. No idea why unless me complaining about it for the last 2 years finally sunk in.

slings I have a Kari-me. I love it but would choose a less stretchy one if shopping again. Need to tie it v tightly for good positioning and sometimes re tie if he's in it a long time. Katie I just keep him in vest, sleepsuit and sometimes a thin hat outside, and use a cover over the top. Temp feels better regulated that way - and easier to adjust layers. I have hoppediz 3 in 1 cover and am a bit in love with it. Only drawback to it has no hood which is a pain. I guard his head with my coat and arms in heavy rain.
www.amazon.co.uk/Hoppediz-Fleece-Babywearing-Cover-Waterproof/dp/B004D92AWK/ref=pd_sxp_f_pt got it cheaper than this from a site called b2b boutique but can't link to that one as it crashes my phone for some reason.

gt I was feeding dd1 upstairs at mil house on her first Christmas - on phone to my folks saying how much I missed them and how crap and boring the il Christmas was compared to ours at home (it was the first - and last - time I wasn't seeing my lot for Christmas or boxing day and I was sad about it). No baby monitor but didn't realise everyone could here me downstairs. Disasterous. Took a big grovel and a bit of time to get over that one.

Loving all the Brixton / London talk. I used to be mainly east but had some time west and south. Very fond memories of escape from Samsara at the fridge and pendragon nights in dalston.

TheDetective Thu 31-Jan-13 07:06:58

Grrr. 6.30. Better than 5. Be grateful.

What DP doesn't know yet is that when the baby next wakes, he's getting up and I am staying the fuck in bed. Til 11. So ha. Im shattered!

Going to have Oscar weighed today. He is so so so long it's unreal. Feet are at the end of the car seat hmm. I suspect most of his weight is in his head. It's looking huge these days!

TheDetective Thu 31-Jan-13 07:10:24

I think this is going to be another 3oz job... Why?!

TheDetective Thu 31-Jan-13 07:13:37

Another thing I've noticed lately. I can't hold in a fart. They just sneak up on me and escape confused. Suspect that can be added to the list of 'things wot avin' a baybee broked'.

I need a fanjo/arse transplant.

ValiumQueen Thu 31-Jan-13 07:38:07

detective I think O is exhibiting growth spurt behaviour. I typed a reply to your above comments about your lack of sleep, but I deleted it for fear of causing offence. I hope you enjoy your lay-in.

I am extremely grateful that I was not up to the girls at all last night. J woke frequently after his 4 hour stretch, but he is ill and did not want to be awake either.

TheDetective Thu 31-Jan-13 07:42:24

I like sleep blush. Oscar is damn lucky I like him more wink.

Am wide awake now. DPs alarm is going off. DP is snoring. Shall I kick him?!

Btw, both basket transfers completely successful. I don't get why DP can't manage it?! confused

ChunkyChicken Thu 31-Jan-13 07:54:34

I had that detective after DD. I walked around like a jet-propelled old lady!! It went away as my pelvic floor got better.

I didn't do the dream feed before bed, but he woke anyway! So it was pretty rubbish for my sleep, but he was good as gold, fed quickly and self-settled in his cot at 12am & 4am. Then didn't wake until after 7am, so not too terrible. Now however he's fussing around, on & off my boob and barely drinking, despite getting my let-down going!! hmm

bryzoan didn't think of that, & would love to!! Just that would mean me sorting out bottles of ebm etc etc. He was so good after DD was born but his behaviour this time has really hurt me. He seems to be totally disengaged & because I 'seem to be coping' leaving me to it. shock

horseylady Thu 31-Jan-13 07:56:36

Vq - a screw?! What's that?!

Thing is, unless I'm looking for someone, I'll not really know their there! I'll just assume their a member of the public, if that makes sense. I often see the local team football manager and players, but their just going out their business and half the time it's a few hours later I realise that my dog has just jumped on them smile in fact I think my two dogs are quite famous!! Better night here!!

Stunt - yay!! Brill sleep news.

Det - growth spurt or cold?! Ds snacks when poorly.

We had another roll this morning. He looked very happy with himself. I had thought it was a one off but apparently not!!

I have the Kari me. I like it, but now he's bigger I need something more sturdy. He keeps pushing on me snd trying to wriggle out. Fine for round the house but out walking it's hurting my back. Currently looking at the ergo. Have borrowed a bjorn but I dont think it's very comfy for him.

Thechick Thu 31-Jan-13 07:58:18

Still catching up.
I'm so gutted that I missed out in the Brixton conversation. I'm a bit further out in west Norwood. My dh used used to live in Brixton. Yes, I've had many a good night there too, in my younger days, but im there all the time for shopping ir cinema or food. And I love the Lambeth country show, it's the highlight of my year, yup sad I know!!
So Katie did you have your little one at Kings? Did you find it okay?
VQ we have a small syringe and put LO's medicine directly in his mouth. It seems to work okay. We got the syringe from the hospital though, and its tiny, perfect for his little mouth.
I have a wwyd. I need to be away from LO for about 3 hours in a couple of weeks and he is ebf and I want to leave a bottle. I feel I have exactly the right amount of milk every day, no over supply and I'm scared that if I start expressing that will take away milk from the day. I could take extra fenugreek but in the past if I've taken too much it's resulted in blocked painful ducts or I can give him formula.

StuntNun Thu 31-Jan-13 08:04:29

What time of day will you be away Chick? If it's after lunch time then I would express first thing in the morning so that all the milk is being used the same day. If you think you wouldn't get enough milk in one go then maybe express a small amount 1-2 oz a day over several days and then combine in into one or two bottles. The extra small amount a day won't affect your supply enough to make a big difference to you. HTH.

Morning everyone smile

All is going well here, I've turfed DP's office out of our bedroom and we've redone the house so we have a smaller dining room but a downstairs office and our bedroom is now a bedroom with a proper nursery in it, J is sleeping so much better in his cot and he has rolling! grin
FIL also got me a beautiful new nursing chair! It glides so nicely and is really comfy.

I went to the GP regarding contraceptive and have basically been told I can't have anything except the POP, they're not willing to give me a other coil after falling pregnant on it, hopefully the POP will be alright, I need to stick with it for 3 months before giving up because its making me feel like death.
Although the lovely GP gave me cream for. My stupid face of acne so fingers crossed it works.

12 weeks here, finally starting to feel a little more human. smile

kirrinIsland Thu 31-Jan-13 08:08:02

horsey I've got the ergo, it great. Much better for when they are a bit bigger as it spreads the weight nicely. And you can put him on your back with it too.

N started well but after her first wake up she went back to hourly stints. This is exhausting (sorry VQ )
Does anyone else have near constant headaches? I'm assuming it's cos I'm tired, and eating too much crap.

Bryzoan Thu 31-Jan-13 08:11:10

Horsey - I tried my sil's ergo the other day. The back is very low on the baby - def would need the insert to start with. I was surprised not to like it as much as I thought I would. I'm hoping to try a boba for comparison.

horseylady Thu 31-Jan-13 08:11:36

Kirrin - where did you get it from?! It seems a lot are 'fakes'

kirrinIsland Thu 31-Jan-13 08:12:28

chick I express in the morning and only ever get 2-3ozs which is frustrating but it does mean that if I don't do it one day for whatever reason, I don't notice any difference to my supply - I don't feel extra full or anything. I had to collect it over several days to get enough to leave N for my interview - also about 3 hours.

kirrinIsland Thu 31-Jan-13 08:17:05

I got mine off eBay. New but half price because they'd just brought out a new version and mine was the old one!
bryzoan I had to used the cushion part of the insert for quite some time with DD1, because she was so low in it - I didn't bother with the whole thing though, to keep the bulk down. It's definitely best to try a few different ones though to find what works best for you. Especially as they can be so expensive!

Evilwater Thu 31-Jan-13 08:18:32

Well what a night, up at 1,3 and 5, 730 and then 8.

Sophiathesnowfairy Thu 31-Jan-13 08:21:41

detective O seems to want to cut back on his feeds to during a growth spurt. I try to split his feed up to fool him. He also gets really "colicky" whatever that is. I am going to try the Aptamil Comfort today I think.

<whispers> I have been know to have escapee farts too detective blush much to the hilarity of my family.

[Biscuit]Have just put a load of washing on and thinking the washing machine is making a strange noise, went to investigate only to discover I have put it on Special shoes cycle. [Confused] WTF. I wouldn't be putting any special shoes in the washing machine. I have turned it off in the hope it forgets what I did and will restart it shortly.

I never see anyone of fame, even though I live close to a number of people of fame and my friends next door neighbour is Billy Ocean! ( if anyone actually remembers him.) I have been known to hang around in Sunningdale Waitrose in the hope of bumping into Jeremey Kyle. To no avail.

Brockle Thu 31-Jan-13 08:21:44

back to sleep, what is that? three kids dressed, knights outfit in carrier bag for DS2, lunches done and by the door and pots washed. Now have to get out enormous pram, get everyone out of the door ad do the school run. Hello day! smile

Sophiathesnowfairy Thu 31-Jan-13 08:24:19

angry rant icon.

This house is so F small is driving me crazy. But my main bugbear s they only collect the bloody bin alternate weeks. So landfill waste one week, recycling the next. Both my bins are so full they have their lids open. I often have to pop to the tip and I always have a recycling bag full in the kitchen.


And half of the bloody recycling is crap that comes through the door.

How do I reduce my waste when I have 2 often 4 children in the house and 2 in nappies?

Sophiathesnowfairy Thu 31-Jan-13 08:24:50

Going to the tip has be one an activity to involve DS1 in!

KatieLily12 Thu 31-Jan-13 08:26:06

I've rented the manduca and hate it. It nearly killed my back. Want to try the boba and ergo too.

chick you are literally round the corner! Fancy a stroll round Brockwell park soon? Wow can't believe there's a few locals here!

Off to north London to meet a friend as well as attempt another nap in cot. Expect me to be Eeyore like later....

horseylady Thu 31-Jan-13 08:28:14

Sophia - look at what you throw away? Lots of food? Can you fold boxes down, squash tins etc? Kirrin thanks looking on eBay!

Sophiathesnowfairy Thu 31-Jan-13 08:31:02

I really try not to throw away food and since i have been planning my meals for the week there is less food waste. but yes horsey i will keep an eye. it would be better if I had a waste disposal, but it is mainly packaging tbh.

horseylady Thu 31-Jan-13 08:38:31

I was thinking more birds in the garden!! Or if you have a local farm with pigs they will take everything that doesn't contain meat!! I have people drop veg off for the pigs or chickens.

Must say though my landfill bin has been full since ds arrived! A lot of that is also me decluttering!!

Sophiathesnowfairy Thu 31-Jan-13 08:50:29

I will check out the pig farm. Could be an idea. I know when we get to NI there are pigs. In fact am hoping to have a pig to fatten up.............grin

Thechick Thu 31-Jan-13 08:53:39

zcos I'm not hard and from London,
Katie someone attacked you for bf, that's disgusting. Did you say anything? I had to bf H on a busy train once, no one seemed to care, well I don't think they did.

Last set of jabs today. Boo!!

PurplePidjin Thu 31-Jan-13 08:58:41

Sophia, would you be able to use reusable nappies during the day if not full time? Would save some money long term as well as saving bin space if you're a slattern not fussed like me you can bung them in with clothes at 40*. Mine dry on radiators over night.

Nervous <wibble>

daisy, mine were 6 weeks early. I have been reading up on weaning prem babies. I looked at the Bliss website but they don't have any info on BLW, just purees.

I have spoken to a few twin mums with prem babies and they have said that BLW didn't work for them because their motor skills weren't developed enough and the babies hunger was greater than their abilities to feed themselves. Mine are quite obviously behind with motor skills. They have started sitting in their Bumbos but don't like it very much and get fed up after 5 mins. I think holding their heads for so long is too much for them. They chew on their fists but are yet to grasp anything in them. I keep putting things into their hands but they are not remotely interested and don't grasp it. They are also very wobbly and seem more like a 10 week old than a nearly 18 week old. But I suppose that is because their corrected age is only 11 weeks.

I plan to see how their motor skills develop then reassess nearer 24-26 weeks. I will probably start with purees and offer a big variety of finger foods at every meal then get rid of purees once they can feed themselves. Seeing the pediatrician next week, I will pick his brains and see what he says.

What are your DS's motor skills like? Does he seem a bit behind to you?

ChunkyChicken Thu 31-Jan-13 09:49:30

Have just had a tear-soaked conversation with DH whilst he's at work. Think he may have actually listened to me finally!!! It was triggered by my DD drawing over the tv stand with glitter glue whilst I'm upstairs showering. It made me cross at her & then DH. He never has to interrupt a shower or organise childcare if he wants time off at the weekend (or indeed, at all). DD I have forgiven - it was toddler stuff & no harm done. But DH heard about it!! I mean, if I said to him every Saturday from now until April I'm going out, would that be fair? Would he be ok with that? Hell no!! He's going to come up with a "solution"...hmm

KatieLily12 Thu 31-Jan-13 09:50:07

bryzoan that cover looks fab. I think I'm dressing LO way too warm but then I don't have a cover. Hmmmm

chick you asked me about Kings? They're amazing. We transferred from UCL who were dire.
Also, yes I was attacked for BF! We went out for distraction with a friend when LOs nursing strike was at its worst. I was practically in tears anyway & the stupid cow nearly fell over the high chair for my friends LO to get to me. I might have completely kicked off. I was so raw as it was.

Thechick Thu 31-Jan-13 09:53:32

Just skimming going to catch up properly later. Katie that sounds like a great idea. Or they do baby cinema at the ritzy on a Friday.

I have an ergo but LO is too little for it but too big for the insert so will need to wait another couple of weeks. We have a mei tai too but LO doesn't like it and didn't like the moby either that we borrowed from a sling library.

Wow, just caught up.

Erm, where to start. I'm not from London, but lived in Balham for a year before moving back to France, and that is when I had my Fridge experience. I don't know if I am hard or not. Will have to think about that one. Have definitely never been as hard as VQ that job would have scared me, it's bad enough going into prison to visit someone but to work there full time would be my worst nightmare.

We had our second jabs this morning - went like a dream. LO has moved up to 75th centile for weight but down a little for height. Meh. She looks fine that's all that matters. The Dr checked up her head injury and that is looking OK too. Reassured me that dropping babies is commonplace but what is even more commonplace at this age is falling off changing tables.

Two weekly bin collections is rubbish. Here both recycling and the bins gets picked up every week. In Paris the bins are collected several times a week, or were when I lived there. When I lived in Balham our bins were picked up once a week only but there was a real fox problem. Must be even worse now.

Anyone in Kent? If you're in Kent can you recommend a dog friendly B&B between Folkestone and London? I'll need to break my journey on my way up north. There are several on line but recommendations are welcome. Dog perfectly well behaved, can't say the same about the children, or at least one of them.

GT I've said it before but I don't know how you put up with your ILs living with you all the time. Mine were going to stay for almost three weeks after LO was born but left less than a week after I came home from hospital as we were really starting to get on each other's nerves. It was horrible. They came to help but just criticised pretty much everything we did, and when, five days after the section I winced as I sat on the sofa my MIL said it can't still be hurting now can it? As if I was faking the pain. Erm, yes, five days after surgery when you've only got paracetamol to help still is pretty painful. I won't go into details, partly because I have a sneaking suspicion she stalks me on here (and must use translator to switch it to French as her English is crap isn't brilliant) <waves at nosey MIL> but they left when I put my foot down and I said that no, DD1 doesn't need to see a shrink and be given sleeping pills after one bad night the nighht her baby sister comes home from hospital, and yet I am the one starting to feel guilty, but every time we see each other it is the same thing. And SIL is even worse. They live right on the other side of the country and have told us they might come and visit again one day <trembles> but not for a long time <phew>. Bt we are starting to think that the kids need their GPs etc so I don't know. Maybe we'll go down and see them in the summer but it will end in tears. So, GT I honestly don't know how you do it and stay relatively sane. Agh, My shoulders and neck literally start to hurt when I think about their last visit. It was three months ago!

MissMummy1 Thu 31-Jan-13 09:58:18

Day 11 poonami just errupted on DP grin .

Heck, brown sugar in water sure does work!!!

I'm not sure where would be a good half way point fellow scots but there'a a lovely child friendly farm shop just the other side of the road bridge that would probably be closer than Ikea for you Stirling folks if that's any better?

I can only really do Wednesdays and Fridays. Or Thursday afternoons.

MissMummy1 Thu 31-Jan-13 09:59:51

Our landfill and recycling bins are only collected once a month shock . Food waste and paper fortnightly. And the landfill bin is tiny sad

MissMummy1 Thu 31-Jan-13 10:08:06

I live with the most selfish git there is.

Him: "Oh there's nothing for breakfast? I'll just nip out"
Me: "Can you pick up some nappies when you're in tescos?"
Him: "No, I'm going to the deli cafe for my breakfast, I've had a hard week at work and need a good breakfast"

Selfish bastard angry envy

ValiumQueen Thu 31-Jan-13 10:08:50

horsey is a delightful name for a prison officer, so called because in years gone by officers turned a big metal thing to unlock the cells.

Passmethecrisps Thu 31-Jan-13 10:09:40

Good morning laydeez.

MM I am good for anywhere to be honest. It would be better to have somewhere YW can eat something.

Looking for a little advice please. P seems to have lost her appetite this week. She will eat maybe 60 to 90 ml ok then fights the bottle massively. If I even put the muslin round her neck after this she screams and cries. She has always been prone to a bit of wind and constipation but it seems worse this week. I have been trying to keep her amount up by offering her the bottle later but it is much later - really pushing the safe length of time to be quite frank. I could make up fresh bottles but the infant gaviscon dosage would get messed up and any milk without it makes her really up happy. After feeds she often tries to stuff her fist in her mouth and roars furiously. Generally, feeding times are pretty stressful this week. She is 11 weeks this week. I have checked - no temperature. She might have a slightly snuffly nose but nothing major.

Any ideas?

BigPigLittlePig Thu 31-Jan-13 10:12:41

MM grin <applauds>
Chunky and detective I think our dhs are of the same mold - every morning his alarm goes off 5 or 6 times, and each time I get more and more awake, as does LO, then he tells me off for nagging him to get up. Today, once he was up, he proceeded to shower LO in kisses which would be fine if she was sound asleep, but as she was half awake due to alarm, kisses woke her up. He does make up for it in other ways though so I can't get too mad although I do get shouty now and then

Think I'm going to have to crack out the gaviscon again tonight. LO slept well, feeds ar 10, 1, 5 and 7 but suspect that was due to alarm situation but spent the night on my chest with me semi-upright. Anything else led to screams and obvious reflux sad. We also nearly had an incident the likes of which I would usually expect from pr when I woke as she rolled off my chest and grabbed her before she went off the edge of the bed blush

BigPigLittlePig Thu 31-Jan-13 10:13:59

MM was obviously applauding poonami, not dhs eating habits!

Oi, I heard that. I dropped my baby once. Does that make me thread baby dropper? grin

Pass a slightly snuffly nose could be enough to put her off. She could also just be not very hungry. LO had a few days where she ate less than normal before a week of pigging out. As long as she doesn't get dehydrated and you offer little and often, and she continues to seem well I'd give her a couple of days. With DD1 she would eat less when constipated, then oe once she had done a poo..

BigPigLittlePig Thu 31-Jan-13 10:43:01

PR it was meant in terms of general accident prone-ness. But you can be thread baby dropper if you like grin

BigPigLittlePig Thu 31-Jan-13 10:45:04

<whispers> LO has fallen asleep in crib, by herself. I don't know what to do with myself. I have two arms. I can see my feet due to lack of baby on chest. I should do activities which involve bending but am too stunned also too hungry

Nah it's OK thanks. I'd rather just be known as a clumsy arse. Less shameful grin

Passmethecrisps Thu 31-Jan-13 10:51:33

Thanks petite. I think she has a very mild cold - coughs very occassionally and sometimes seems a bit snorty. I have cracked out the saline spray and have been scooshing her once a day. I wonder if I should do it before every meal?

I have read some of the FF talking of a drop in appetite just before a growth spurt. It might be that. The last growth spurt was 6 weeks when she was still recovering from her food refusal business.

She is sleeping well and just as much as always - she would wake if she was hungry wouldn't she? I worry sometimes that I don't let her sleep as much as she would like. She doesn't sleep very well during the day - waking when she is obviously still tired and getting grumpy as the day goes on. I always wake her at 7:30 but I wonder if I should leave her alone?

KatieLily12 Thu 31-Jan-13 10:52:11

(Booty dances across thread)

She just did 35 mins in her crib! In a violent temper when she woke up but hey, it's progress right?

TooManyDicksOnTheDancefloor Thu 31-Jan-13 10:52:25

zcos- I'm welsh grin

I live in Leeds though now.

If she was hungry you'd see it. W all have days when we eat a little less. Saline drops or spray a good idea. Not only will it help clear her but it also helps prevent infection / worsening of cold. At 11weeks she's coming up to a growth spurt so she could be gearing up to that.

The paediatrician started talking about weaning today. Over here we do it at four months with fruit and veg purees. Next visit at beginning of March and she expects me to give it a go by then. Seems so soon.

ShellyBobbs Thu 31-Jan-13 11:00:55

Sophia When my plastic and glass bin goes out, it goes out full with about 5-6 full bin bags full aswell. This is milk bottles (we go through at least 6 pints a day), tins, lots of fruit and veg cartons and juice cartons. There are 6 of us so we create a lot to recycle. The paper bin is always overflowing too. We always manage to fill the garden / kitchen waste due to the amount of veg peelings. Only our garden and kitchen waste is collected weekly, the plastic and rubbish is fortnightly and paper 4 weekly. Our rubbish bin is usually the emptiest. I do usually get rid of what I can packaging wise in Aldi and stick it in their bin near the door, so far they haven't said anything to me. Interestingly they offer this as standard in Germany.

ShellyBobbs Thu 31-Jan-13 11:02:37

Still up 3 times a night with Tommy, he isn't budging from his newborn routine. He is a smiley little chap though and I fall in love with him again everytime he gives me that special smile that only a mum and child can experience smile

BigPigLittlePig Thu 31-Jan-13 11:04:52

No need to have to make a decision. Had breakfast. Baby awake. Nap clearly done. Hello sling!

KatieLily12 Thu 31-Jan-13 11:05:00

pass interested in the drop in appetite before growth spurt. Guess who cluster fed yesterday? Hmmm

BPLP our Velcro babies must have heard us eh?

chick is that the sling library near you? I need to go next Thursday if you're about?

MM yay for poonami, boo for crap from DH

Today I'm going to try putting LO in wrap without all in one and see how she is. Convinced she's getting too hot esp with wrestling her into it.

kirrin I have had constant headaches since having the implant - are you on any hormone contraception?? I also find they are worse when feeding in bed because of the way I sit

I have the Kari me - so far I've only used it around the house to do housework - its too much of a palaver to use outdoors while she's still so tiny!!

Yay good night last night - I'm giving up the sleeping bags for a while cos she just doesn't like them and still likes to be swaddled. Especially as we're off to Manchester for a few days and the 5 of us will be sharing a hotel room - hopefully she will sleep in her travel cot!!!

Right I better start getting clothes together instead of sitting here watching the wright stuff and mn'ing!!

Sophiathesnowfairy Thu 31-Jan-13 11:20:45

Biscuity waffle about rubbish biscuit

shelly that will be me next week, taking all the packaging off! It seems as if most of you have more separation of your rubbish which helps we have one recycling bin for cans, paper, plastic but not glass confused so I trek off down to Tesco glass recycling about every two days, then one other bin for everything else food, cellophane, nappies and FORMULA CARTONS. Am I missing something? Are they recyclable?

I feel for you with all your trying ILs. I do well. I do have the odd comment that sometimes tweaks at my hyper sensitivities hmm but I do genuinely think that is down to generational differences so I brush them to one side. I know they love their son and their grandchildren to distraction and they are so helpful when we are there. I know I can leave the boys with them and they will be treated with love and care, and the odd treat that I wouldn't give them at home.

baby related question grin

Just given most of a bottle of Aptamil Comfort, a much happier feed time. None of this rigid, stiff as a board and yelling. Someone said they only give one bottle of it a day, how does that work? I thought I would do the mid morning one and the afternoon one as that should settle his tummy enough, or whatever the damm problem is. Any views anyone?

Sophiathesnowfairy Thu 31-Jan-13 11:22:31

pass katie we really struggle with feeding in growth spurt weeks and always have a cold which is why I just bought the Aptamil Comfort. I think horsey has had a similar experience.


ValiumQueen Thu 31-Jan-13 11:54:24

sophia if I had two in disposable nappies there would be room for nothing else in my bin. I have DS in full time cloth, and DD in cloth when I can be arsed. She only uses three or four nappies a day now so it is not a biggie having her in disposables, but little man can get through 15 in a day easily. DD does horrific poos and seems to prefer to do them in cloth which puts me off as they are a bugger to wash out. Washables would make a difference, but add to your workload so unless you are really keen, I do not recommend swapping.

I am very very tired and grumpy today and still feel like shit.

detective apologies for this morning and my less than charitable comment. It was an improvement on the first draft, but still a bit mean.

ValiumQueen Thu 31-Jan-13 11:57:02

pass growth spurt I reckon. The saline is a good idea. I think DS will continue to have drops even after he is better. Before each meal is a good idea.

MM I will go wherever. Perhaps YW best decide as her dietary needs are paramount.

ComradeJing Thu 31-Jan-13 12:08:15


Shhhhhhhhh... I'm having a bath and a glass of wine. Both dc are asleep. For the first time in about 6 weeks I'm having child free time.

It's bliss.

I was talking to Dr about saline drops this morning. When they're ill you should do it at least before every feed, literally can't do it too often (though just after a feed isn't a good idea as they vom). Even when they're perfectly healthy morning and evening drops are a good thing.

ShellyBobbs Thu 31-Jan-13 12:38:38

What's all this about? 3-6 months babygrows are getting too small, from anywhere. Washed at low temp and dried on maiden. 3-6 months pants are still too big for his little legs, tops are fine.

GT Just read about your MIL yesterday. Don't think you're moaning on here, it would be hell on earth living with any ILs. I get on really well with my MIL but if I had to live with her I think there would be some serious rows.

horseylady Thu 31-Jan-13 12:42:30

Vq - thanks

Pass - yes we have the pre growth spurt or if he's got a cold. He also did it when he needed to move up teat flows. Have you tried saline drops? Just go with it for a couple of days, if it persists then speak to someone.

Erm pretty sure I was going to reply to someone else but can't remember......oh well!!

Sophiathesnowfairy Thu 31-Jan-13 12:50:34

Ooo hark at you comrade

Sophiathesnowfairy Thu 31-Jan-13 13:03:53

envy pulls out ironing to get on with!

Dixiebell Thu 31-Jan-13 13:04:46

detective, same here with the escaping wind! Is it wrong to blame LO? wink

ComradeJing Thu 31-Jan-13 13:12:48

grin Sophia

Night all

ValiumQueen Thu 31-Jan-13 13:15:25

Just as well comrade is down under or we could be worried.

Talking of wind, but wind in the sky wind, have you guys in the UK got lots of it? I've had to close all my shutters, it's really noisy.

Brockle Thu 31-Jan-13 13:58:23

yes PR it blew so hard this morning it frightened Y when he was in the shopping trolley!

ValiumQueen Thu 31-Jan-13 13:59:36

PR J will be having them morning and evening too. The French medics seem much more efficient at dealing with RSV etc. Nobody mentioned or indeed used drops when DS was in hospital, and there was no Physio.

ValiumQueen Thu 31-Jan-13 14:01:24

My mum nearly got blown over yesterday. It is pretty blowy today and very cold indeed. Apparently. Just realised I have not been out for a week. A whole bloody week.

MissMummy1 Thu 31-Jan-13 14:09:23

The spray from the beach is hitting our house it's so windy shock

I joined him in the cafe after yoga - he was guilt tripped into buying me breakfast tight bugger wink

Anyway, telephone consult with prospective client went well. I'm tempted to stop my M A as 3 hours a week max worling from home for this client will quadruple what I'm getting just now. Or just drag it out 3hrs in one day over 10 weeks and class it as KIT days. hmm

Yes YW you choose Scotland meet up venue, if need be I can drive you and wee J. smile

I had never heard of bronchiolitis until I moved here and saw leaflets in Dr surgeries etc. I think there is possibly much more of it over here. I have heard in the past that it is more a continental problem, though no idea why that would be. Funny enough they were talking about it on This Morning this morning.

No-one I know in the UK has ever heard of physio being used on bronchiolitis babies but there was definite improvement on LO after each session. The physio started each session by squirting copious amounts of saline solution up her nose, so it sounded like she was drowning, before doing the thumping and massage. You could argue well she'd get better anyway if it was a mild dose of RSV but I can't believe doctors would prescribe it if there was no evidence it works. And the hospitals over here are obsessive with the drops. Children under two get their noses cleaned even if they aren't in there for respiratory illness, because in hospital they will be exposed to children with respiratory illness, and they firmly believe that saline drops help prevent infection. They won't make the child immune to the bug, but they say it can help the child not get a bad version of it, or help it not get worse.

I have spent many hours googling both saline drops and chest physio and there ar conflicting reports in English over the use of them. The cynic in me wonders if the NHS don't want to waste money on unecessary treatment - physio is considered a luxury over there, whereas here all women who give birth either by CS or vaginally get at least six sessions of physio, for free.

The French do have a reputation for being over medicalised, prescribing too much medication etc, but physio and saline drops aren't like painkillers, antibiotics and anti cholestorol meds. Comparitively they are woo. But they seem to help.

I have been really happy with the care my two have received over the last couple of months (though they have mainly been cared for in Luxembourg, as that is where our paed is). And I have always been impressed with the standard pf care I have received. I can't compare to the NHS as i haven't been treated in the UK since I was a child, but I do trust the systems over here. Which is a nice feeling.

horseylady Thu 31-Jan-13 14:22:01

Mm surely you can do 7.5 hours however you like per week over 10 weeks!

Just got totally freaked out dog walking. I came home a different way. A chap started following me, the went in another direction then I saw him stood on the bridge looking at me?!

Right - I don't know what to do? A friend has lent me her bjorn to try. I quite like but I'm not sure ds is that comfy. He's very secure in it (unlike the wrap which im finding harder to get right the bigger he gets). I tried on a caboo today which was great but watching the girl put it on I'm wondering if it's any easier than the wrap tbh. Again he felt lovely and secure in it!! The connects or ergo I've not tried yet but I'm wondering how secure they are for long walks? He moves a lot!!

PurplePidjin Thu 31-Jan-13 14:22:29

I think the wind is what disturbed R last night, it's happened before that blustery weather coincides with a difficult night.

I have a tough decision to make. I've got a good chance at this job, depending on who else applies. Head likes me (he said so) Governor recommended me. A job i was born to do, opportunity to get properly qualified in a lovely supportive environment. Rare opportunity - there are very few primary schools with specialist music. But, dp isn't sure he'd cope with R and i don't know if i could leave him. I always assumed I'd be sahm. Need to do some serious thinking, and try to readjust my mental self image. Opinions welcome.

horseylady Thu 31-Jan-13 14:23:58

Petite - I love the French they prescribe the most antibiotics of any nation!! They also have the highest number of heavy leg syndrome cases too!!

PurplePidjin Thu 31-Jan-13 14:26:43

Horsey, look up babybjorn and hips on google. Connectas and Ergos are a completely different shape wink

horseylady Thu 31-Jan-13 14:31:45

Pijin - I've seen the research. Now having used one I can see that. I was impressed at how sturdy the caboo dx was so will prob get that. Just seed a bit tricky. Will see.

I might get an ergo.... I just can't find a stockist here and eBay has got some on, but how do you know if it's a fake?!

Yes they can be ridiculous when it comes to antibiotics. I have been here for 14 years and I still haven't worked out what heavy leg syndrome is.

The younger doctors are much more sensible when it comes to antibiotics. I recently changed GP and went prepared for the usual antibiotic debate as to whether they were needed for various things and she didn't even mention them. My old GP would send you to the pharmacy with a prescription as long as your arm and common sense would need to be used to decide what you'd actually accept.

MissMummy1 Thu 31-Jan-13 14:35:13

Thank you very much YW - we have ring sling success! <ignores fact it took a man to figure it out as my dyspraxic brain couldn't> wink

Thechick Thu 31-Jan-13 14:42:14

Thanks Stunt and Kirrin that sounds like I good idea. Might do it over a couple of days. I'll be out from about 12.30
I get headaches too. They last for a couple of days, and then they are gone for a bit
Sophia I remember Billy Ocean....When the going gets tough....classic song
Garden my LO is the same in that he's not interested in holding things. My finger and my boob when he's feeding but that's about it
Katie I thought Kings were great too. I had a very positive experience there. What's wrong with people, I'm sorry you got attacked. I'm not too far from the sling library. There's a playgroup round the corner from 10-12 if you want to go, at the Salvation Army opposite the fire station.
Horsey I got my ergo on amazon. There's a website about how to spot fakes and I just looked on there. I think there's a serial number that you can check, but there are stockists in the uk if you want to buy it in person or from their website.

Sophiathesnowfairy Thu 31-Jan-13 14:43:39

pr I love wind. grin

horseylady Thu 31-Jan-13 14:44:07

this made me laugh

My understanding though is it is a medical complaint, however most people assume it's to do with having a cold!!

Thechick Thu 31-Jan-13 14:45:53

I found the stockists on the ergo website

My dad has just brought round two packets of Maryland cookies for ds1. I'm not sure if there's going to be any left by the time he gets home from school

horseylady Thu 31-Jan-13 14:46:31

Chick I'd like to try one on. I've just asked the local sling meet if anyone knows (or has one I can try!)

FranTan Thu 31-Jan-13 14:50:53

HI all,

First time posting, although used to post on pregnancy board before DS arrived on 25th November.

DS is my second and is great, biggest problem so far is sleep. He is HUGE (9lb 14 at birth) and weighed 13.7lb about 3 weeks ago. He will only go to sleep by being jiggled while walking. As a result of his size this is now hugely impractical and I have major back ache. So I have decided that for now I will sit and jiggle, which he is very p*ssed off about. Having said that it did just work but am sure that's a one off. Then, when I put him in his cot, am lucky if he makes 20 mins asleep before yelling. It's also hard to settle him after this as he quickly works himself into a frenzy, convinced he deserves a bottle.

Just heard him through the monitor. Wish he would self-settle. Am resigned this will continue until we resort to controlled crying at 6 months like with DS1.

Bizarrely, he loathes the car and his pram too. This doesn't stop me from going out but odd it doesn't send him to sleep. Night time he goes 7pm-5am with a couple of feeds in between.

Apart from the above he's great grin Seriously though, I know I could have it much much worse.

Excellent article horsey , thanks for that.

Thechick Thu 31-Jan-13 14:53:15

I tried mine from a sling library before I bought it, but with the insert. I think they need to be about 12lb without the insert and have good head control. H isn't that weight yet so we need to wait a little while. Can't wait. With ds1 I carried him all the time when he was little. And it might help to lose this baby weight that doesn't seem to be going anywhere.

PurplePidjin Thu 31-Jan-13 14:56:27


Proper Ergo site ^^

They're just the most famous brand - like babybjorn - so don't discount other cheaper lesser known ones like Beco, Manduca, Connect. Pop a post in the fb group for me if you want a fr and adding to the big fb group smile

PurplePidjin Thu 31-Jan-13 14:57:01
Thechick Thu 31-Jan-13 15:02:29

Hey Fran welcome
I have a non sleeper too. H was waking every 3 hrs but last night it was an hour and a half. It's not fun is it.

horseylady Thu 31-Jan-13 15:02:34

Have done purple. I'll move this discussion to fb now!!

Chick - yes it looks sturdy, hence me looking at it. Will see if someone has one I can try.

GTbaby Thu 31-Jan-13 15:05:50

Welcome back fran.

Thanks PR and stunt. Living with mil sucks. N she is Obviously in a mood with me. H is going out with lads tonight. So not looking forward to being "home alone" with them hmm.

But we r making progress on the nursery. Q how long would you leave freshly painted room before allowing LO in for his first nap?

A couple of the days until the smell of the paint doesn't tickle your nose. Modern paints aren't dangerous. Except for some radiator paints maybe.

Thechick Thu 31-Jan-13 15:12:32

Purple and Horsey there's something on YouTube that tells you about the different kinds of ergo. I did lots of research before a bought it.


LO is asleep. Going to make a cup of tea and make a start on the first packet of biscuits

Clarella Thu 31-Jan-13 15:29:31

horsey - I was sooo close to getting the caboo dx till I found the boba 3g - it can go on back later which caboo can't. I love it. clips to hold your bag on the shoulder, sleep hood and stirrups for long legged toddlers. plus key and phone pockets! ( I'm not selling them, honest!!!)

ValiumQueen Thu 31-Jan-13 15:32:55

PP childcare. Send LO to a nursery. You should get considerable help with the cost through child tax credits. But do not worry about this unless you secure the job. Hopefully you will x

Brockle Thu 31-Jan-13 15:55:46

how is J doing today VQ?

Passmethecrisps Thu 31-Jan-13 16:17:04


Well, if p didn't have a cold before she will now! Went to toddler group again today - was advised to go every day to see which one suited best. Hardly anyone there today and no other babies. One young lady was VERY impressed with penny. So impressed I think she actually tried to lick her. She had a terrible hacking cough and strings of bogies. I was having to stop myself from being massively PFB. I suppose it's good for P to get exposed to people. I would probably rather they didn't try to eat her.

And after all my worries this morning (thank you everyone) p has eaten nicely. I had to feed her at the group - I usually avoid feeding her in public because she can be so unsettled - and she took loads. One lady did say to her child "look! Look at that wee baby being fed by a BOTTLE! A bottle! Do you see?" I am certain that absolutely no offense was intended - she was very nice.

ValiumQueen Thu 31-Jan-13 16:19:31

Who said that? grin three times in one week Pass get you! Shy indeed.

BigPigLittlePig Thu 31-Jan-13 16:27:23

How can babies be so soundly asleep in your arms, and yet the instant you put them down, be so wide awake? How?!
Have tried to declutter today, one box. One measly box and it has taken me all day, and the house looks like we've been burgled to boot.

ValiumQueen Thu 31-Jan-13 16:28:51

Thank you for asking brockle he is much better than I thought he would be. No temp now for 36 hours, and no meds for pain since 7pm last night. He has his voice back, and snot seems to be shifting. No further vomiting, and is more communicative. He was quite distant at times and you could just tell he had no energy. Even his head buts were feeble. He is feeding better! And more frequently too, I guess to make up for lost time. Poo has eased off. Looking forward to seeing what colour it is when it arrives. Occasional cough - it is the cough I am afraid of. My kids seem to be expert at dreadful coughs. The girls are almost better but still both have temperatures. That is day 7 for DD2 but she seems fairly good in herself. DH continues to be a dying swan despite not having a fever. The way he coughs you expect to see a lobe on the carpet.

Passmethecrisps Thu 31-Jan-13 16:29:29

I am all over this group business! Actually, today was definitely my least favourite day and I made an early escape. They were only 4 ladies there and they all knew each other already. P did enjoy having her head stroked like a kitten. I will be saline spraying her nose like a mentalist now!

Yeah, the bottle comment was a bit weird. I wasn't quite sure that the child got the emphasis on BOTTLE or why she felt it necessary to make such a point about it. What's wrong with saying "look at the wee baby having her lunch?"

Baby sensory tomorrow!

ValiumQueen Thu 31-Jan-13 16:30:24

BP I am trying to de-clutter too. It will be worth it. I feel your pain.

Brockle Thu 31-Jan-13 16:36:39

you could always comment that J seems to be recovering better than your DH vq he may man up then grin So glad he is on the mend. His poorly picture melts me every time I see it. but I am a soppy git most of the time.smile

ValiumQueen Thu 31-Jan-13 16:43:12

Just as well I didn't post the video then!

Passmethecrisps Thu 31-Jan-13 16:43:38

Bleaurgh VQ smashing mental image!
I am glad you are starting to see some light at the end of the fucking long tunnel

Sophiathesnowfairy Thu 31-Jan-13 16:44:25

Oh well, we still had a 4pm meltdown despite the Aptamil Comfort.

Glad to hear you 3 are on the way up at least vq sounds like ou have broken the back of it. Do the have lingering night coughs though after a nasty cold like that? All mine do and is impossible to deal with all cough medicines are rubbish except for the ones you can't give them till they are about 34.

Have spent the Afternoon doing a little bit of cooking for Ds1 for the freezer. I feel I have been neglecting his diet a bit since we had O. When the girls are here or on Sundays we all eat together but tbh I find it easier to give him something at 4 so he is done and then pjs and snack at 6 bed at 6:30/45. This often means he has been ending up with beans on toast. Beans with mash. Beans with sausage. And maybe tomato soup. So I thought if I made some more balanced meals for the freezer I could whip them out and reheat. Easy as beans.

So any ideas for toddler proof freezeable meals greatly received. < pleading emoticon>

Lentil leek and sausage stew, chicken casserole, bolognese sauce, ckicken leek and potato pie filling, to be served as is, small servings of lasagne, ratatouille to be served up with some ham or other cold meat... Small servings of whatever you eat. Fishcakes with whatever he likes in them.

I've never used or heard of saline spray/drops until this thread - will investigate when D gets a cold at the moment we just go bogie fishing with a twisted tissue so satisfying though she hates it

Cor I've not stopped today been here there n everywhere and now finally say down - Dottie was a diamond except for me havin to feed her at dd1's horse riding lesson!!

Got Dottie weighed - there were loads of babies there so she sat cooing at everyone - felt a bit shy as we had 4 hv's/office staff come over and coo over her blonde hair lol she's a lovely squidgy 10lb 8 oz so staying on her percentile which is fab!!

Can't be arsed to make yea and as I've not got owt out of the freezer it's either nachos or take away shock

kirrinIsland Thu 31-Jan-13 17:27:05

Not on hormone contraception glenda i do think its lack of sleep and too many cans of coke

pidj what VQ said - take the job and use childcare. It seems like a great opportunity and you might appreciate the "grown up" time

YellowWellies Thu 31-Jan-13 17:38:05

Hello all just caught up. Had a house viewing this am and went shopping yesterday - both were fab. Was wonderful to pootle round Edinburgh - the boy slept peacefully for far too long in his buggy which of course meant he decided to start today at 5am. Hoping for a goldilocks 'just right' day today as yesterday he slept too much during the day and the day before, too little. Possibly clutching at straws but our 7-8 hour stretches seem to have shrunk and we too are back to 4 hourly night feeds. It feels a bit growth spurty. Pass I thought that about what you wrote too - Jonas' reflux is always worse during a growth spurt.

Seriously for the meet up I'm likely to struggle most places or rather have learned not to trust 'dairy free' assurances so will bring a pack up. So please pick it on niceness of venue / convenient location. I'm cool wherever. MM if you're talking about Craigies' that would be a lovely central venue smile

KatieLily12 Thu 31-Jan-13 17:54:46

Flipping heck you lot can chat!

horsey caboo is great for nb. Wouldn't recommend it past 3 months as it hurts my back these days.

chick oooo that sounds nice. Perhaps I can do the group first then trundle to the sling library and return throw sling at them.

pass we're doing baby sensory tomorrow too. Really excited because I'm a sad cow

YW reflux worse during growth spurt? Oh everything is clicking into place.

Went out today and had a smashing lunch in Browns with a lovely friend if mine. Asked her to hold LO so I could eat ENORMOUS sandwich (had already polished off chips while feeding!) and look up to realise..... LO has really grown. Seeing her in someone else's arms really brought it home.

Builder late and now working in bathroom. Need to bath LO in about 15 or so..... Hmmmm

Pikz Thu 31-Jan-13 17:55:11

I'm in for a crap night aren't l. L has slept for 4 hours this Arvo. He has just had a ton of milk and is all the happies. But it does mean I won't get sleep tonight doesn't it.

Passmethecrisps Thu 31-Jan-13 18:00:45

P is trying to eat her bear. Should I prevent this?

Sophiathesnowfairy Thu 31-Jan-13 18:03:52

Thanks pr mostly I am liking the sound of lentil leek and sausage stew. Have a bit of a lentil fetish.

Passmethecrisps Thu 31-Jan-13 18:04:59

I meant to say katie, I bet cluster feeding feels good after your period of nursing strike. I remember being in hospital with p and almost crying with delight the first time she chewed at her fingers in hunger after days of food refusal.

I think that is part of what is going on YW. She is a bit all over the place. She is sitting in her bouncer next to me hiccuping and swallowing down acid. I can hear it and see her wee face screw up. Sometimes she makes a wee sad mew sound. P always hiccups when she is very tired.

YellowWellies Thu 31-Jan-13 18:20:35

Aww pass that mental image is sad - poor wee dote. I fecking hate reflux!!!

BigPigLittlePig Thu 31-Jan-13 18:27:10

Little pig has been awake all afternoon confused. Sophia we're having spicy lentil and butternut squash soup on Sunday if I get round to making it
Yay for hungry babies, <hugs> for reflux/poorly/velcro babies

MissMummy1 Thu 31-Jan-13 18:30:21

Yeah it was craigies I was thinking YW. We go all the time, I love it! And it saves anyone having to get round the bypass - always a bit hit or miss...

PurplePidjin Thu 31-Jan-13 18:42:19

I have dp and my mum for child care I've worked in nurseries, fuck off am i putting him in one just need to get dp's confidence up. He's well capable but frustrated at his limitations, and R crying sets off his headache.

Pikz, R sleeps better when he's napped properly <proffers crumb>

Pasta with soft goats cheese and peas Sophia ?

ChunkyChicken Thu 31-Jan-13 18:42:33

Might catch up later, can't now.

DH has just packed bag & left. DM DF & DMIL all in way.

I might be the only woman in history to get divorced over fucking hockey...


ChunkyChicken Thu 31-Jan-13 18:44:48

On way, not in way. That would be a v diff situation!!

horseylady Thu 31-Jan-13 18:48:04

Chunky hugs and xxxx I don't swear but wtf??!! All because you want some free time?!!!

He needs to man up. Glad parents and in laws are on way.

PurplePidjin Thu 31-Jan-13 18:53:43


wine[chocolate][hand hold]

BigPigLittlePig Thu 31-Jan-13 18:58:14

brew and biscuit chicken

KatieLily12 Thu 31-Jan-13 19:15:23

pass it feels fookin amazing. I was really losing it last week. Not being able to nourish your LO is heart ache isn't it?
Your description of reflux behaviour is spot on. I hate it most when she does that on the breast- wet burps then squeals sadly. Breaks my heart everytime.

chicken ????????? Sending you massive hugs. That's outrageous

Pikz Thu 31-Jan-13 19:18:36

Chunky wtf!!!!!! When I read your post earlier I though oh I hope he comes home from work with a good solution and you could feel better.

Big hugs xxxxx

Sophiathesnowfairy Thu 31-Jan-13 19:26:22

chunky <hugs> maybe some space time will make him realise he is being a "twunt" to coin an MN phrase. thanks is hockey that important?

Passmethecrisps Thu 31-Jan-13 19:26:51

Second the WTF chunky. I can't get over it. I am really pleased you have some RL support.

ValiumQueen Thu 31-Jan-13 19:30:56

sophia lingering coughs - affirmative. Cough medicine is shite I agree. I think it is discouraged anyway as coughing is how they get rid of crap so is therefore not to be suppressed.

Catching up slowly, so posting as I go.

Chunky Are you ok? Good you have your family rallying round. Sounds like the enormity of what having children means has hit home and he is panicking. Men can be so pathetic. Have some wine and give him time to realise what a twat he's being. Then you can decide if you want him back.

blonderthanred Thu 31-Jan-13 19:32:59

Can't believe that Chunky. Hope he comes to his senses. Ridiculous behaviour. So sorry you are having to deal with this.

kirrinIsland Thu 31-Jan-13 19:35:14

chunky that's unbelievable sad Wonder how long it will take him to realise what he's giving up.

ValiumQueen Thu 31-Jan-13 19:45:39

HaggisMunchers Craigies have a menu for dogs. I am so glad I am seeing this before any trip there, because my comments would no doubt cause offence.

Pass I believe bears are dairy and soy free. That truly is BLW.

PP your comment about nurseries concerns me somewhat. Would you care to elaborate?

Oh bugger Chunky big hugs, and an ear if you need it x

ValiumQueen Thu 31-Jan-13 19:48:00

This is your second child though, isn't it chunky ? Surely he knows about the strains of parenthood by now. We sure have shit taste in men on this thread, most of us anyway it seems. Hope he grows a pair soon.

ValiumQueen Thu 31-Jan-13 19:52:47

They have a unisex doggy toilet too. FFS!