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November 2012 - Don't forget the tummy time

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StuntNun Fri 25-Jan-13 09:47:12

Will try to keep up with this one!

fruitpastilles Fri 25-Jan-13 10:20:34

Can't believe there's a new thread already!

TheTiger Fri 25-Jan-13 10:22:01

Appropriate title as I constantly forget tummy time! I lied to the health visitor that he does it every day

fruitpastilles Fri 25-Jan-13 10:39:47

Tiger I done exactly the same, I have no shame haha! She hates tummy time and screams I don't think I forget so much as just don't do it because she hates it so much!
Do u think the HV can tell when we lie? smile

KatieLily12 Fri 25-Jan-13 10:57:45

fruit I bloody hope they can't tell! My LO gets constant tummy time sleeping on me or lies on her side next to me. I'd be reported of I confessed to that! She said 'don't be tempted to co sleep will you?' I nodded thoughtfully


Brockle Fri 25-Jan-13 11:06:04

marking my place without a hope of keeping up smile

NotSoNervous Fri 25-Jan-13 11:16:00

How long will this thread last? A week? grin

NotSoNervous Fri 25-Jan-13 11:16:26

shock ha loving the new smileys

fruitpastilles Fri 25-Jan-13 11:17:22

Oh Katie does tummy time on me count? Brill if it does, she's always on her tummy on me! Not so much of a lie after all then hehe!
I hate it when HV's say things like that, it's up to us as the parents if we want to co sleep or not, don't they realise the way they make us feel when they judge all the time?

MadamGazelleIsMyMum Fri 25-Jan-13 11:20:19

Great thred title stunt as we are yet to do tummy time blush. However, DS does have pretty good head control and we sit up up a lot on us, or on his front on us a fair amount <clutches at straws>

nervous at the rate of the last one, I'd be surprised if it was that long.

KatieLily12 Fri 25-Jan-13 11:46:51

fruit I bloody hope so? ;)

To be honest I'm a bit cynical. If we do everything by the book- put them down on their backs to sleep and nap to a routine it seems we then need tummy time? You can't bloody win can you?

I paid enough for Osteo to know that DD is in no danger of an effing flat head....

KatieLily12 Fri 25-Jan-13 11:47:17

Also, I just inhaled a chocolate bar

That is all

StuntNun Fri 25-Jan-13 11:50:02

I never did tummy time with my first two and they managed to develop without it. It's just that back-sleeping can delay physical development of rolling etc. early on but they will still get there in the end. So tummy time is good for your baby but not essential.

TheTiger Fri 25-Jan-13 11:52:03

katie DS sleeps on his side next to me too. Health Visitor thinks he sleeps lovely in his basket and just gets out for feeds. I am terrble for just saying what they want to hear to get them out quicker. No more visits for us now thank god!

MissMummy1 Fri 25-Jan-13 11:58:24

Marking place. Just exposed myself to all of my neighbours answering the door mid feed. Dammit. blush

We are getting there sleep wise. Matilda now associates getting into her jammies a different sleepsuit as bed time. We've given up on stamping an early bedtime on her for now and just keep her up with us till about 10.30/11ish. Then have a big feed in bed and she's gone down the last 3 nights from 11 till 4ish, awake for a 20 min feed then down till about 7/8ish again. I love her a little bit more now wink

Happy burns day fellow scots! grin I might have a cheeky wee dram tonight seeing as we have no haggis! (and M no longer cluster feeds all night!) hmm

DonnaDoon Fri 25-Jan-13 12:03:11

Marks place ...again smile

PetiteRaleuse Fri 25-Jan-13 12:03:12

Marking place.

fruitpastilles Fri 25-Jan-13 12:05:32

Jealous of the chocolate bar Katie. Stupid slimming world hmm

NotSoNervous Fri 25-Jan-13 12:11:34

I'm out with DD who is in a pink jacket and blanket and I get asked if I've got a little boy? Wtf

Catbag Fri 25-Jan-13 12:19:18

Now then. Back in a bit smile

PennieLane Fri 25-Jan-13 12:21:00

Maybe I'll have a chance at keeping up with this one! My LO hated tummy time too, but we've stuck with trying to increase by a few minutes ea h day and at 10 weeks she is happy with it, she actually rolled into her side this week, so I think it is strengthening her muscles.

blonderthanred Fri 25-Jan-13 12:23:46

Hello new thread. The last one started on Saturday right? Maybe time to implement GT's plan.

Poor Stunt should get an OBE for services to thread-naming.

DonnaDoon Fri 25-Jan-13 12:24:39

Yes Blonder she should bless her

BigPigLittlePig Fri 25-Jan-13 12:27:28

<waves from the other thread>

How is there already a page on this thread?!

KatieLily12 Fri 25-Jan-13 12:39:01

pig (holds up hand ) that might be me


I've needed chat this week

ValiumQueen Fri 25-Jan-13 12:39:05


zcos Fri 25-Jan-13 13:02:44

notsonervous why they think your Dd a boy? I make the mistake of calling a baby a boy at mums and babies when I went as a bump!
pennielane that your real name was a girl on toddlers and tiaras called that anyone seen that?

zcos Fri 25-Jan-13 13:04:14

mm1 how old is Matilda? what outfits does she wear in the day?

zcos Fri 25-Jan-13 13:07:24

stolen baby discussion on loose women ... would you relinquish baby to others are you possesive. they said father was baby sitting the baby you can't baby sit your own child!!

MissMummy1 Fri 25-Jan-13 13:13:10

Zcos she'll be 8 weeks on Monday shock (omg, just realised my baby's nearly 2 months!!) At the moment she's still in 0-3 months (just). We were convinced she was a boy so most of her clothes in this size are unisex (or were boyish so have been passed onto YW 's DS!) so she mainly wears sleepsuits or neutral tshirt and jogger combos. She has lots of lovely girly outfits (dresses and such like) in 3-6 months though!

Re the bedtime routine, I make a point of changing her sleepsuit, even if she's already wearing one, so she associates day/night. Don't know if it's making much difference. I also like her to wear her nicer sleepsuits during the day and boring plain ones at night.

Will post a photo on the fb group of a typical tilly day outfit.

zcos Fri 25-Jan-13 13:22:15

ah ... I don't have many 0-3 day outfits couple of Denham dresses ... thought you meant she always wears sleep suits by night other outfits in day I don't have enough day outfits also is stupid but if she has nice dress or something I want to keep it for when we actually go out.
my d is 8 weeks tues no sign of cluster feed in night stopping 7.30 -12.30 last night!

zcos Fri 25-Jan-13 13:24:07

so mm1 your Tilly was the day before my d what time we could have been in labour at same point I know one born every min but this still takes me aback!

MissMummy1 Fri 25-Jan-13 13:27:20

When she moves up to the next size she'll have more than enough outfits to wear a different one every day! In fact, I doubt she's going to get to wear them all sad

She was born at 0822. I was in labour for 29.5 hours....!

zcos Fri 25-Jan-13 13:33:48

Aw my d was 6.07 the next morn ...
yeah mine has loads 3-6 I have bought a few dresses in that size and size up cos I thought she was going to be a boy too and when it clicked she would be wearing dresses I went a bit crazy will be good for quick changes smile and I'm hoping we do have a summer so can wear dresses. most of her gifts have been sleep suits though!

zcos Fri 25-Jan-13 13:36:24

any other tips mm1 or anyone else to stop the cluster feeds or shall I just carry on as is and let dd stop on her own? she is wide awake at mo and been napping past 4 days this time...just when I think she has settled into some pattern that I can predict she turns it on her head!!

MadamGazelleIsMyMum Fri 25-Jan-13 13:53:03

blonder, I had noticed that GT had been quiet - maybe she is faithfully following her policy! I suspect that unless there is a strict rationing, the threads will keep going at pace.

zcos Fri 25-Jan-13 13:54:05

if there is rationing won't the messages just get bigger and bigger?

PurplePidjin Fri 25-Jan-13 14:01:16

R goes in his grow bag and gets fed in bed when it's sleep time - afternoon nap or bed. Morning nap is in the sling.

I've been tipped off (by someone involved in the recruitment process) about a 3 day a week job. It's teaching - i don't have a PGCE - but I'm well capable as it's a specialist subject (the one my undergrad degree is in). I also have tonnes of sen experience which schools like. So i might be going out to work when R hits 5 months shock

Also, MIL has said she'd like yo take dp and i out to lunch for his birthday in a couple of weeks - without R. Not sure how i feel about that, bearing in mind we'd be taking 5yo dn so not exactly child free. My instincts are screaming WTActualFuck but she's lovely and has the best intentions. How do i get out of leaving him without being rude?!

Pikz Fri 25-Jan-13 14:25:38

Holds place

MissMummy1 Fri 25-Jan-13 14:30:19

zcos we still cluster feed some days. predominantly evenings. just go with it smile

kirrinIsland Fri 25-Jan-13 14:45:29

Marking place

zcos Fri 25-Jan-13 16:36:39

purple ... I think I would just be honest and say you don't want to leave your r out she was mum and will understand you could always say you would rather stay with r and could say that they could go out without you "no you go" kind of thing sure she would then say no we can't possibly you and r come... hope that makes some kind of sense? master manipulater me!

zcos Fri 25-Jan-13 16:37:49

ps thanks mm1 will carry on soo hard not to compare you Lo to other people's.

Sophiathesnowfairy Fri 25-Jan-13 17:04:03

I always forget tummy time, no wonder he is crap at it.

ValiumQueen Fri 25-Jan-13 17:05:07

Cluster feeding is not something you can avoid. It is integral to increasing supply.

I hail from Portsmouth. Hampshire Hog.

Sophiathesnowfairy Fri 25-Jan-13 17:07:00

Oh, I went to get O weighed yesterday and this HV kept telling the lady in front of me to use hungry baby milk


I wanted to scream


But I didn't because I am polite.

NotSoNervous Fri 25-Jan-13 17:40:11

Sorry pass sad did I steal finishing the last thread from you?

NotSoNervous Fri 25-Jan-13 17:42:06

zcos I have no idea why she thought DD was a boy unless she was colour blind? Maybe?

purple if you don't want to leave your LO then just say so, I haven't left my Dd yet and I don't plan on anytime soon just because I don't want too ignores the fact that when I do I'll get so much pressure to leave her all the time when I don't want too

Passmethecrisps Fri 25-Jan-13 17:45:35

stolen! the last post was brutally wrenched from my grasp from notso over there! You, are yer youth and lack of nervousness stealing my last post!

I had an amazing post by the way. It was awesome but you will never get to know what I typed because it is lost forever . . .

Passmethecrisps Fri 25-Jan-13 17:46:39

It made me lol notso as I was in the middle of typing up a post about not getting the last post stolen and there it was! gone!

Passmethecrisps Fri 25-Jan-13 17:51:27

It's a funny thing isn't it leaving our LOs and the pressure we feel from people who think they are helping.

When P was about 3 weeks old my MIL came up to stay (lives 3 hours away) with the sole intention of us going out so she could babysit. It wasn't really about our needs or wants but about hers. We went for a curry and a pint in our local which was lovely but we were knackered and actually people the the pub were pretty [sceptical] to see us.

I have two friends who make constant references to babysitting - "when I babysit", "when you leave her with me". One of them sadly is the one who Penny was screaming at on Wednesday so she certainly won't be staying with her until we get the cause of that sorted.

tiger fingers x'd it works for you x

vq pls pls pls tell me how to sleep train Dottie to self settle - I have lots of books gf, 5s's and baby love but no bloody time to read them - is the miracle cure in any of them?? Dexter we watched season 7 ( the one after debs goes to the church) after dh illegally downloaded it - not sure if we still have it - will look and if so I'll see if I can share it somehow with you.

Had lunch with another work friend today - being able to let off steam about dh made me feel better - why are all dh/dp's to some extent useless?? Shoulda been a lesbian!!!! Anyhoos she's offered begged to have dots for the day next weds so I can have some time to myself - which is fab!!!!!

ValiumQueen Fri 25-Jan-13 17:55:54

pass sorry for your loss thanks

I also think a bumbo is the answer. You are welcome to borrow one off me to see if she likes it. I actually have two, and plan to eBay the other in the near future. I also have two trays.

I know I'm late to the tv chat but another massive West Wing fan here too! I heart Josh Lyman a lot bit more than is healthy. Does anyone fancy a Nov 12 rewatch of all 8 series together? We could have a separate thread, set ourselves 2 or 3 episodes a week to watch and perv over Josh discuss them together. New viewers welcome too!

I'm too sexy for my shirt, too sexy for my skirt, too sexy for the other things...

TheDetective Fri 25-Jan-13 18:10:18

'I love to booby
Yes I love to booby on a Saturday night
I said I love to booby, I love to booby
Clusterfeed booby, I love to boobie
I love to boobie (and keep you up) on a Saturday night'

My mind wanders to the above daftness. Frequently. blush

kissyfur Fri 25-Jan-13 18:11:05

3 pages already!! My LO does not like tummy time one bit

TheDetective Fri 25-Jan-13 18:11:18

Are we the most active ante/postnatal thread ever?! Surely we must come close!!

Passmethecrisps Fri 25-Jan-13 18:13:35

genius detective

thanks for the flowers VQ they will just make up for the whipper snapper knicking my glory!

And a loan of a bumbo would be champion! I was reading reviews online and people can be a bit mixed about them.

oh! poor wee P just woke herself up crying. Just as well it's bath time.

ValiumQueen Fri 25-Jan-13 18:13:56

glenda - leaving them to it. Shoving a tit in his gob at the first whimper was not helping him. Unless you want to be awake every 45 minutes (their sleep cycle) you need to allow them to learn. Swaddling IMO will not help as their hands are integral to self settling (unless they have a dummy, which I have no experience of) and until a certain age they will just get more angry cos they thump themselves and scratch themselves in their attempts. They will not be able to self settle in the cluster feeding evenings either as they are programmed to not settle.

They need to be put down in a sleepy, but not asleep state. Feeding will result in sleep, but a good winding etc will wake them sufficiently to achieve this. Initially they will cry, and if they need you (hungry, wet, wind etc) it will ramp up. If it is just annoyance, they will have periods of silence before they start again. Most babies will cry for less than five minutes, and this will lessen as they get used to it. If they are overtired they can go on for a long time as they are so pissed off. They will eventually burn themselves out.

I think this is GF type thinking, but I have read that many books I cannot recall exactly. J has learned how to suck his thumb and/or finger this last week, and assumes the position as soon as he is put in his cot or pram. I only use Ewan in the cot as I do not want to have to drag it everywhere in the future.

Izzybuzzybuzzybees Fri 25-Jan-13 18:18:35

Marking my spot. Also excited as one of my best friends is in labour

TheDetective Fri 25-Jan-13 18:23:43

I have never read a parenting book blush.

I've read mumsnet though. Does that count?!

ValiumQueen Fri 25-Jan-13 18:32:51

Have you not read the Mumsnet books?

MadamGazelleIsMyMum Fri 25-Jan-13 18:34:12

misslaughalot I have actually managed to watch series 1-5 doing night feeds since DS was born I havent watched an episode for a few weeks now. And is there a series 8?! grin And Josh, mmmmm.

Fingers crossed for a better night with toddler DD after last night's shennanigans.

Brockle Fri 25-Jan-13 18:36:10

can I join a west wing watching group pls. It was a sad day when Sam seaborn left the west wing grin Yousef is not a happy bunny today. think his sniffles are getting him downsad

I have joined the 50 book challenge thread in the book club forum. Think I may be setting myself up for failure but enjoy.hearing what others are reading.

zcos Fri 25-Jan-13 18:38:29

vq was not thinking I could avoid cluster feed but maybe reduce to like 3 hours of almost none stop eating instead of 5 or 6! and reduce ... mm1s lo is being better why not mine!

zcos Fri 25-Jan-13 18:40:24

oh and m d will be 8 weeks in a few days surely supply has built up by now!

Little DT1 guzzled an enormous 8oz bottle just before bedtime! The most she has had before is 5oz in one go. They both passed out as soon as I put them into their cots as they didn't have their big 2.5 hour afternoon sleep.

I went out when them to baby clinic and did the food shopping on my own! I am most pleased with myself! It wasn't as daunting as I thought it would be. Real boost for my confidence. Hard work getting 2 babies in & out the car & pushchair. I was exhausted when I got home.

PurplePidjin Fri 25-Jan-13 18:43:08

The problem is i already leave him to go to youth club for 4 hours - in my mind, that's work and he can't come. Maybe I'm bemused as to why she'd come all that way and not see her grandson? From the sounds of it dp isn't keen on lunch out either, but that's worse because then I'll have to make the house safe for dn who has autism - which is even more stressful (the tidying, not dn!)

Detective me either. Nope, not even the mn ones too skint to buy luxuries like that

Don madame that's my clumsy typing fingers while feeding, should have been 7 not 8!

Have all of you West Wing fans seen the little reunion they did last year?

BigPigLittlePig Fri 25-Jan-13 19:03:26

Still no poo sad
Lots of smells but no poo.

She's saving the poonami(s) for tomorrow when I'm going on the train for a day out with old school friends, isn't she?

ValiumQueen Fri 25-Jan-13 19:10:38

Well done garden do you put them in the leaning back seats on the trolley? DS kicked off last time I tried him in one. That was Christmas Eve though.

YellowWellies Fri 25-Jan-13 19:13:23

Phew made it... caught up and marking place! <collapses in exhausted heap>

Izzybuzzybuzzybees Fri 25-Jan-13 19:15:56

J is asleep....very strange has he has been for quite some time. He doesn't sleep during the day, except I suppose this is night now?! Weird.

DH has gone to collect pizza....yum!

VQ, no, this time I used the pushchair as it wasn't a big shop. Normally I put them in the leaning back twin seats. They haven't complained before. My girls are madams and like to see everything that is going on.

Receptionist came to the car to give me a hand at baby clinic as you can't take your pushchair in. She held one while I was busy with the other and both girls curled their lips up and howled when anyone else held them! It was very unexpected as I thought they were too small to realise it wasn't me.

I've not read any books either.

Zcos - M is 9 weeks today and she still cluster feeds. Sometimes feel like we'll never get her to go to sleep before 10:30pm

It's snowing here again, just ordered a Chinese so it better get here.

M's got a cold sad she's all snuggly and keeps doing raspy coughs to try clear her bunged up-ness. V cute but she's getting all upset.
Wonder if that's why she didn't go to sleep until 1am last night/5this morning.
Managed to get her to fall asleep so I can have a quick bath

TheDetective Fri 25-Jan-13 19:34:11

Nope VQ not even the mumsnet ones!

I don't have any siblings/no experience of babies. Other than my own. And work, but that doesn't count!

GTbaby Fri 25-Jan-13 19:34:45

WTF. One afternoon in ikea n I come bk to new thread. shock Outrageous

KatieLily12 Fri 25-Jan-13 19:51:23

Go with it zcos with a packet of biscuits next to you xxxxx

MissMummy1 Fri 25-Jan-13 19:57:18

I second biscuits. I've gone through a whole fox's tin this week blush

DP gone out for haggis suppers (clearly my sweet potato curry left over from yesterday wasn't as good as he said...hmm ). This counts as a nod to old Rab, aye? grin

ValiumQueen Fri 25-Jan-13 19:59:17

detective a midwife with no experience of babies grin you are right though as newborns are very different little creatures to what we have now.

garden that comment shows how little help you have had sad nice they helped you at clinic. We are not allowed prams in either. Stupid rule.

ValiumQueen Fri 25-Jan-13 20:01:12

Three craws sat upon a wa'

ValiumQueen Fri 25-Jan-13 20:01:58

GT what did you buy? And eat?

ValiumQueen Fri 25-Jan-13 20:03:44

fatima there will be a time when you put them to bed at 7 and they sleep until 7 the next morning. Unless you are really unlucky that is. Most do, honest thanks

vq goodness seems I've got to

georgee Fri 25-Jan-13 20:14:28

I love to booby, Detective - snigger!

8 week jabs day here. Lots of screaming this pm but this has calmed down and he seems back to normal, despite having also developed a cold in the last 24 hours (on top of the last one, poor wee mite).

Starting to read The Wonder Weeks too, thanks to whoever suggested that.

And showing how seldom I post, responses to discussion topics - we do go to church (it's just opposite so we practically roll out of bed into it, but that's not the reason really - my dad was a vicar so was brought up with it, went away from it at uni and back to it in early 30s), and we don't have any anthems (apart from maybe 'When a child is born' by Johnny Mathis which I would have howled at if I hadn't actively avoided it this Christmas. It had me in pieces when preggers with DD.

I told my mum off for getting me the first 'Now that's what I call music' tape - I wanted one called 'Hits' instead. They did run parallel for a while and then 'Now' won out. I remember the first one on 'Hits' was 'I feel for you' by Chaka Khan. So that shows my age!

Ooh, welcome zcos, Katie and pastilles (I LOVE fruit pastilles ...).

Have signed up for Flylady but haven't done sink yet, will do this over the weekend!

Sorry if I've missed out any major topics of conversation!

In terms of how people's nights are going, I'm definitely putting myself at the 'unsettled' end of the spectrum. Never have less than 3 wakenings, usually more. I really hope this improves soon!

georgee Fri 25-Jan-13 20:18:30

... oh and we've just started 'Mad Men'. Have 'The Killing' in the wings. It's the one with the jumper and subtitles, not sure whether the same one as yours YW.

Passmethecrisps Fri 25-Jan-13 20:22:21

I also had a wee look at flylady earlier. My house is a tip but I struggle to care mostly. I did think that the system was good and if you were less slatternly than I then it would be good.

The sink thing put me off massively though. The reason being the words of my home economics teacher to her mixed gender class of 12 year olds "come on gerls! A woman's pride is in her sink!"

ValiumQueen Fri 25-Jan-13 20:24:54

georgee 'I think I love you'

zcos Fri 25-Jan-13 20:36:39

Fatima what I wouldn't give for her to.sleep at 10.30... 11.30 is the earliest d will sleep.

zcos Fri 25-Jan-13 20:41:36

georgee was it me re wonder weeks was it me!? only spoken to one other person since Saturday a friend who is 17 so probably doesn't count as adult .. credit for that would help my very small self esteem?

NotSoNervous Fri 25-Jan-13 20:43:10

Sorry pass

Just noticed DD has got abit f a rash on one of her cheeks,should I worry?

Passmethecrisps Fri 25-Jan-13 20:43:48

zcos I bought the app after you mentioned it!

Passmethecrisps Fri 25-Jan-13 20:44:43

Have celebratory last post wine wink

What sort of rash? Bumpy?

GTbaby Fri 25-Jan-13 20:47:20

VQ. DH bought a chip butty. I ate before leaving.

We bought those packet clips. To seal open packets. A £3 blanket. I love those. Some glasses. Two rugs for kitchen as tiles r too cold. Bought two under the bed storage boxes for LO 3 blue boxs n cute little boxes.
Two draw units. One brown for my room n white for LO. N a star shaped lamp/ wall mounted light for LO room.


NotSoNervous Fri 25-Jan-13 20:49:13

No not bump but not 100% smooth if that makes sense confused

zcos Fri 25-Jan-13 20:50:19

its st dwynwens day today! ... no emoticon for that!? anyone else celebrating ??? dh came home with massive bunch of tulips (my favourites) ... (I have only been hinting for flowers since dd was born!).
I got DH a t-shirt of a pic of him and dd (v cheap from vista print) can't wait to present it to him.

Vq hmmmmmm don't think I could live without swaddling - we do try once a week in her sleeping bag but her arms are flailing all over for hours and she gets so very overtired.

Dots does seem more fussier than my other two - they were very chilled out and if I put them down they would get the hint and drift off, this madam doesn't seem to want to miss out on anything lol

Is it me or is there a shit load of ladybird motif stuff for girls recently?? We call dottie our lady bug and I can't stop buying everything with ladybird on!!! Got a cute ladybird dress fom asda and fleece from next - its her 12th ladybird item - must refrain!!!!!

zcos Fri 25-Jan-13 20:52:16

thank you.pass me anything in it!?

ValiumQueen Fri 25-Jan-13 21:03:29

glenda try just one arm out?

georgee Fri 25-Jan-13 21:04:15

Ooh yes I'm sure it was you zcos - thank you. smile

Erm, why, thank you VQ! I hold you in high esteem too! grin

In terms of telly series, we also watch rather a lot of Midsomer Murders - do we win the prize for saddest telly habits? We often Wiki the actors to see what else they've been in too.

ValiumQueen Fri 25-Jan-13 21:05:28

GT you can never have too many of those clips

ValiumQueen Fri 25-Jan-13 21:07:45

Next line of the song! I am that old too. Older in fact.

Evilwater Fri 25-Jan-13 21:08:10

Great news!!!!
LO has self settled for his night sleep, with no screaming for blue murder! Hurray!! grin

Bad, I've gone and lost his red baby book! FFS. Well it's all balance, but FFS!

P is making an effort, a small effort but at least it's something.
The only book I've read is a dads book.
Oh no he's awake.

PetiteRaleuse Fri 25-Jan-13 21:13:39

DD1 pushed the pram back and forth while I ate to keep LO calm. Bless! She's not even 2 but she's already responsible for telling me when the cats have no more food, helping me unload the dishwasher(I rush to grab the knives first) and now for rocking the baby. She's at an age where she wants to help. Am making most of it, this too shall pass.

Parenting books. I have a first aid manual and one parenting book. I have read loads of free samples on kindle but seriously am considering writing my own. The no bullshit guide to parenting your own way. If I do you can all blame VQ grin

DD1 has been an angel today. Loving and helpful and just plain cute. AND she counted with me up to 7 when I was preparing bottles. I count out loud when she is around and she's been listening!

LO discovered her hands today. They are amazingly fascinating to her. If only she knew how useful those little hands wil become.

Vq will try the arm she munches fingers out and see how we go

I got the wonder weeks app - makes sense but so do all the others!!!

Hope to dog we have a goodnight tonight have been snappy with dd1 sad though snuggled in bed with monster in Paris and popcorn

PetiteRaleuse Fri 25-Jan-13 21:16:45

I bought the WW app too. I'm thinking the 1€79 was a waste of money.

I also signed up to Fly. How many emails a day?

BigPigLittlePig Fri 25-Jan-13 21:26:57

I must be missing out, haven't watched any of the above mentioned TV series. Unlikely to get chance to either, as LOs nocturnal screaming drowns out all sound from the tv hmm

Evilwater Fri 25-Jan-13 21:29:05

I can't wait to teach my son pontoon, its the way we learn maths in our family. grin so much fun. using sweets at first then moving to penny's and the five card trick.


Hahahahaha PR I thought that too bombarded so I've unsubscribed - I bet fly lady hasn't got a 10 week old clingy baby??? Bloody clean sink - that will not make me feel better - a clean pathway from kitchen to sofa and upto the bedroom would make me feel better!!! And why flylady and not fly blokey?? We know how and when to tidy its them buggers that need daily reminders!!

YellowWellies Fri 25-Jan-13 21:36:47

Georgee yip that's the killing we've been watching. I now have a jumper fetish, luff Sara Lund and all things Scandinavian - including choosing a Scandi name for my son blush ahem

GTbaby Fri 25-Jan-13 21:38:29

Evil, chick, do u remember the days when we twiddled our thumbs waiting for this lot to move to the post natal thread.

LO is wide awake. He was good between 7-9. But now won't sleep now. hmm

georgee Fri 25-Jan-13 21:38:57

Of course! I knew that VQ! (ahem) blush

I was bemusedly wondering what I'd said to deserve such a declaration ...

On the subject of discovering hands, J's thumbs are waveringly gravitating towards his mouth, I'm very hopeful that he's going to be a thumbsucker too. Self settling was so much easier with DD once she'd worked out how to suck her thumb. All they both need to do then is give it up before the age of 38 (unlike DH who's still going strong in the thumbsucking dept when drifting in and out of sleep).

Wishing you good nights, all. x

georgee Fri 25-Jan-13 21:42:50

Oh good YW, look forward to that then. Scandi-chic is v cool. DH's parents found a 'Killing' style jumper of his when clearing out their loft recently. I have considered wearing it in public myself. Not great for feeding though!

ValiumQueen Fri 25-Jan-13 21:43:58

glenda well said!

ValiumQueen Fri 25-Jan-13 21:49:08

georgee grin

DD1 still sucks her fingers and has got soreness all around her mouth now. She is 6.

I am resisting the urge to say something rude now.

PetiteRaleuse Fri 25-Jan-13 21:49:46

Glenda it took me less than 24 hours to unsubscribe. The bollocks tgat people can churn out about housework!!!

TheDetective Fri 25-Jan-13 21:51:18

It's official. I'm snowed in. Bugger!

And it seems DP has been upgraded to the new, shiny, beta model with integrated initiative. grin

I'm going to look like a slattern if he keeps this up. grin

ChunkyChicken Fri 25-Jan-13 21:56:50

Not caught up, won't tonight - too tired lazy but wanted to share my headlines...

DS much happier today, back to a ~4hrly feed-wake-sleep cycle.

Have cleaned my sink!!! Am F rather than FLY but its a start grin although my hands feel like a cross between sandpaper and pot noodle before adding water

The poonami I had expected was every bit as bad as I feared. DH was home from work earlier & was nominated to deal... mwah ha ha

I'm going out tomorrow w/out kids!!! SOOOOO excited. How sad is that??!! Just to Bluewater for some retail therapy with 2 good friends but still, I'll be free bar feeling like a limb has been amputated and worrying that DS won't have enough ebm defrosted for the 2 feeds I'm predicting.

Luff west wing & would love excuse to watch. DH into only fools... at mo but might be open to persuasion.

Gotta to log off cos eyes need propping open with matches. Night all.

Kyzordz Fri 25-Jan-13 21:57:44

Marking place, late as usual! Would post more of a post but I want an hours sleep before feeding the monster LO cos last night was not a good one on account of the large planet sized bogey stuck and bugging him and me for 3 sodding hours. That and I couldn't fall asleep for no reason at all

Passmethecrisps Fri 25-Jan-13 21:57:58

Arse to being snowed in.

zcos it is good - I flicked through the book once and it made a lot of sense. The app does have a rather foreboding countdown of P's next 'stormy' period. Should start tomorrow apparently.

I LOVE swaddling!! I put P in the large swaddle me tonight as the small/medium one was just too tight really. I have been trying P in her sleeping bag during the day and periodically at night. During te day she frequently wakes up before she is really ready because she has twatted herself in the face. The though of trying the sleeping bag for her long sleep makes me come out on a sweat!

blonderthanred Fri 25-Jan-13 22:02:55

Wow I missed the end of the last thread where apparently I'm a legend. I must save that for posterity. thanks VQ

I tried to be Fly today and sort out under the sink but I'm embarrassingly scared of spiders so I only did half and then chickened. Must train DS not to be scared of them. So feckin pathetic.

So instead I was a slummy mummy, scumming about in my milk-stained top and eating chocolate digestives. It seemed the logical alternative. In my defence I am ill again, I seem to be catching every cough and cold going.

YellowWellies Fri 25-Jan-13 22:04:37

pass I'm totally with you re swaddling. I know in a grobag my wee manny would just twat himself and roar in outrage....

zcos Fri 25-Jan-13 22:07:47

Glenda you got lamaze wrist rattles one of them is lady bug

PennieLane Fri 25-Jan-13 22:09:16

No it's not my real name, I've never been on television! what's toddlers and tiaras? Is it some kind of beauty pageant thing?

First weekend alone, DH on stag weekend. He does everything at weekends so going to be shock to system shock

daisychain76 Fri 25-Jan-13 22:09:31

Marking place, feeling slightly left behind!

Well, finally got rid of health visitor ~ H is 11 1/2pounds and put on half a pound each week since New Year so she thinks it is safe to stop weighing himsmile. Can‘t quite believe he‘s 4 months now. HV also thinks the nightly cluster feeds is a huge growth spurt so fingers crossed it‘ll end soon. Hope everyone gets lots of sleep tonight

Pikz Fri 25-Jan-13 22:12:03

Loving all the LOs twating themselves!

I have to use grobags as he just gets out of every swaddle and he likes sucking his whole fist currently.

zcos Fri 25-Jan-13 22:13:09

pass me oh no I am concerned it could be self fulfilling policy!

PetiteRaleuse Fri 25-Jan-13 22:13:54

Pennie don't worry, it might be a lot easier than you think. I always freak when DH has a work evening or trip, and it's always better than I think.

zcos Fri 25-Jan-13 22:14:24

pennie I know it wasn't you the kid was 3 yes its about American beauty pageant is repulsive and compulsive ... keep telling myself its psychology research!

BigPigLittlePig Fri 25-Jan-13 22:19:06

Zcos I watched that the other day for about 5 minutes then switched over. I think it was the point at which one overbearing mother put fake teeth over her 7 year old daughters wonky, gappy teeth so she was "perfect". Too weird only in America

Off to bed, although LO wide awake, as she has been for 4 hours now so may be an epic fail! Wishing good nights for everyone. Wishing no poonamis overnight for me smile

Evilwater Fri 25-Jan-13 22:28:35

GT- yes I do. I also remember when romance was in my life. (no snow here just pouring rain) I miss romance.

Decteive- where an I get this upgrade, and how do I install it?

PetiteRaleuse Fri 25-Jan-13 22:33:49

Evil pontoon is one of my family card games too. Love it!

zcos Fri 25-Jan-13 22:34:55

guessing by the lack of responses re st dwynwens there are no taffs on here!?

Zycos - yeah she got them for Christmas lol - must put them on her again now she's in awe of her hands!!!

I'm feeding Dottie and have but a soft comforter thingy over her eyes to entice sleepy thoughts!!! Why does she keep twatting my boob??? She uses it like a punch bag/scratching post!!!

Hope we all get a relatively good night/lie in

zcos Fri 25-Jan-13 22:58:24

petite why waste of money are milestones wrong for you? I'm still on the fence bout the thing but first chapters of book seemed to say somethings that made sesnse just not sure if the leaps bare out.

StuntNun Fri 25-Jan-13 23:00:37

Anyone signing up for Flyladt, I delete all the emails without reading them except for the daily Flight Plan ones. They come from Kelly rather than Flylady so you could set your email to automatically delete the Flylady ones.

J is having his last feed of the day so hopefully he will let me have a few hours sleep before his 'wee hours' cluster feed. I wonder if he likes haggis-flavour milk? Speaking of haggis, what do I do with the leftovers? Haggis sandwiches? Haggis soup? DH wants to use it as stuffing for a roast chicken.

Passmethecrisps Fri 25-Jan-13 23:03:18

Re swaddling - we tried p in a sleeping bag for her 7-10:30 sleep and it was horrendous. She woke every half an hour and was so upset. When I gave up and stuck her on her Velcro swaddle I swear she visibly relaxed and looked relieved. She didn't fight it and went to sleep nicely. She fights a bit sometimes but always calms incredibly quickly. I have been popping her in the sleeping bag during he day though to let her practice sleeping with her arms out. Sometimes she is grand but other times she wakes herself up and spends the next hour miserable before she is willing to settle again.

TheDetective Fri 25-Jan-13 23:05:01

I swaddle before the last feed. This works well for us. He's upstairs at the moment. Asleep. We are downstairs.

I see the light at the end of the tunnel! The relentless newborn days seem to be getting easier. Everything just seems a little easier now.

Now if only the snow would do one...!

GTbaby Fri 25-Jan-13 23:06:34

Brita water filter... Would u use one to filter water before giving to LO?
Trying to work out if its a good buy to take to India with me. List of stuff to take is growing v quickly.

TheDetective Fri 25-Jan-13 23:08:09

Which bigger one have you got passmethepenis grin? I was going to get a cuddlewrap. Most of the swaddles are for up to 3 months, he's grown out of his, legs poke out the end!

TheDetective Fri 25-Jan-13 23:08:53

No, it isn't recommended as far as I know GT.

Passmethecrisps Fri 25-Jan-13 23:11:00

Well dicktective it is the large swaddleme. The original microfibre one. Claims to be for 14Ib to 22Ib but I think not. P is a wee shorty but the large should suit her nicely.

zcos Fri 25-Jan-13 23:12:51

thinks seem harder for me this eve ... everything is peeing me off... I pumped electrically got less than half an oz sad usually get at least 2 sad have v naughty cats still not read manual for monitor or worked out what to do with it ... dd is just sucking boob for like 2 secs then off again! think she will take ages to go to sleep think I will beat the recent 2.30 am record! peed off that come tommorow I won't have left house for a week.
any otherrs bf but then ff at night thinking of resorting to this now as boobs sore and dh could feed!!

GTbaby Fri 25-Jan-13 23:13:17

Oh n LO tried last week to suck on his fist. Sounds like he gags on it sometimes. He has developed to thumb sucking now. So cute blush. But i do try take his thumb out as much as I can and use dummy instead.

zcos Fri 25-Jan-13 23:14:23

oh and I think I own about 10 books maybe more and have loads of magazines ... I love magazines and get obsessed about researching everything usually new hobbies etc I must have the most hobbies going!!!

Kyzordz Fri 25-Jan-13 23:15:40

Well, tried to give LO a dream feed and nope, complete refusal. Guess I'll let him sleep then! If I'd known I'd have gone bed at 8:30 when he did!

Everything crossed hr REALLY wants sleep tonight!

Elizadoesdolittle Fri 25-Jan-13 23:16:12

I have that bloody Chaka khan song in my head now!

chunky not sad at all. I met a friend in bluewater the other day for retail therapy and dinner. Had a great time, and had DD2 with me. Thank god she slept. Enjoy your child free time.

Tried syringe feeding E for a top up this evening. Wasn't particularly pleasant but think I got some into her. Her poo has been green and runny and she's gone from going every other day to 3 times a day. I'm getting desperate now, bf just isn't enough for her. I'm considering getting a supplementary nursing system but looks so fiddley and they are quite expensive. I'm not worried about the expense if it works but its a lot of money if I never use it. I need to get more milk in her somehow. She's 12 weeks today and weighs 8lbs 6ozs. It's ridiculous!

kirrinIsland Fri 25-Jan-13 23:23:34

Just had a bath, and now I'm depressed. Am I the only one whose stretch marks look every bit as bad as they did 10 weeks ago? They don't seem to have faded at all - is this how they're going to stay? Forever? And don't get me started on the flab <hides coke can>

zcos Fri 25-Jan-13 23:31:01

my flab is getting me down and I'm still a size bigger and wearing mat jeans as only thing really comfy in the day. really feeling sorry for myself this eve sad

TheDetective Fri 25-Jan-13 23:31:18

No, mine are worse than they were when pregnant - when the skin has stretched then sagged, they look redder and angrier.

They will go, give them a year, they will look like silver lines. I have some that are a cm wide on my hips, these will take me longer to go down, but I know they will because they have before. I only have a couple of new ones from this pregnancy - DS1 did all the damage first time around! My weight has fluctuated over the years too, so sometimes they go red again, then back down.

10 weeks isn't soon enough to see results. At least 6 months. As crap as that is!

Flab - I honestly have no idea what to do to fix the mess that is my 'figure'. Flabby McFlabby from Flabbysville. I can do sit ups. I can't do much else at the minute. Will start on the sit ups I guess...!

TheDetective Fri 25-Jan-13 23:34:05

I wish I could remember when the flab just became regular fat with DS1. I'd rather fat than flab - my fat was kinda toned grin. In a strange way.

Wanders off singing 'I must, I must, I must increase my bust' while waggling arms around.

zcos Fri 25-Jan-13 23:34:28

think I should start on sit ups too! I once built up to doing 100 a day stopped cos I didn't think it was doing something then realised it really was...
this snow hasn't helped no walks and lots of comfort biscuits! must stop buying them keep telling dh we need them for guests then scoff the lot!!

4th failed transfer of the night - she goes to sleep in arms but the minute you place her in the crib she goes nuts - definitely no self settling here �� what do I do?? She's clean, fed, dry and very tired

TheDetective Sat 26-Jan-13 00:00:06

I love the extractor fan... oven in the bedroom?!

Youtube some white noise? Hoover goes down well when needed?

Hmmmm. Babies. Mysterious creatures sometimes...!

zcos Sat 26-Jan-13 00:53:35

Glenda how long you leaving her sleep in arms ... could try moving baby onto back then transfer so least she is in the right position?

KatieLily12 Sat 26-Jan-13 01:13:56


Catching up on thread I'm glad to see I'm not the only one fending off over zealous babysitters. My partners dad is the main offender and I can't abide him so it's NEVER going to happen. I don't trust him to hold her when I'm there to be honest. I keep explaining she hates being held in that traditional cradle hold but the answer is always 'but that's how I hold babies...' Last time I was there he showed me the travel cot they have got so she can start overnight stays. It's very clever that he's going to start lactating isn't it?

Books- I read the 'no cry sleep solution' which was how we established naps & were moving towards bedtime. I can't do cry it out, I just don't have it in me. I'm also reading the attachment parenting book by Sears who I adore. It's so well backed up with research and positive. Most books have a list of things that would be wrong. Can't be dealing with that.

pig poonami waiting is terrifying? LOs came last night. Wow. Just wow.

nervous did you check temp with rash? LO sometimes gets a dribble one.

Swaddling- LO has too strong a Moro reflex yet. I've read you can wean them when that dies down though by gradually loosening/ leaving legs out. I use I flat cot sheet as she outgrew the Velcro one/ I was tired of wrestling her into it.

What is Wonder Weeks?

glenda boob twatting is babies stimulating milk supply. Clever huh? Mine also head butts mine on occasion. Can you swaddle her then settle her? Bit sleepy so forgive me if you said you tried it

zcos hugs sweetheart x

zcos Sat 26-Jan-13 01:23:02

that sears book sounds fab been reading a lot of attachment theory as studying psychology by correspondance (I say that not done any since 2 weeks before birth and was not really doing that much when preg morning sickness etc was going quite well til morning sickness struck) be good to read non text book too.

GTbaby Sat 26-Jan-13 01:31:03

Have u tried putting her down before she falls asleep. Sry sounds obvious. But I happened to put LO down in order to go loo. N when I came bk he was asleep. He did squawk a few time while I was in loo, but once I saw he could do it I didn't feel as mean leaving him to settle. It doesn't work 100% but I always try.

KatieLily12 Sat 26-Jan-13 01:31:49

zcos I heart dr sears. I studied attachment theory too. Hence the co sleeping and drive to EBF.--then my would be father in law can't babysit--

KatieLily12 Sat 26-Jan-13 01:32:19

Poo why didn't delete thingy work?

KatieLily12 Sat 26-Jan-13 01:34:36

Update on today for those playing the home game:

Started rati whatsit for reflux. Mum arrived and has been fab. Currently expressing and shitting myself as left LO with OH and told he mustn't go fully asleep. He will. Men cannot co sleep. Hurry up boonies!!!

KatieLily12 Sat 26-Jan-13 01:39:10

Update on today for those playing the home game:

Started rati whatsit for reflux. Mum arrived and has been fab. Currently expressing and shitting myself as left LO with OH and told he mustn't go fully asleep. He will. Men cannot co sleep. Hurry up boobies!! (Nearly 100ml!)

KatieLily12 Sat 26-Jan-13 01:39:39

Oooo I'm all kinds of breaking the thread

GTbaby Sat 26-Jan-13 03:18:37

I actually wana smash H head with a baseball bat.
He been up late drinking. Came to bed just now. Pretended to b asleep to avoid drink conversation. I am so angry at being woken up. By his random chatter by him trying to hug me. After the 3 rd time I flipped n left the room.
Please note. Nothing I can say will mk HIM sleep on the couch or even sleep in spare bedroom. He won't loose a seconds sleep over this. Think I'm gona have to pay him bk in the way he hates the most. Silence.

I am so pissed off right now.

StuntNun Sat 26-Jan-13 03:49:32

What percentile is E on Eliza? My two oldest are very small and skinny and it's obvious when you see then with their peers who are all much bigger than them. But they are following the 2nd percentile and they are healthy so it's okay even though DS1 has just turned 10 and wears age 7-8 pants.

J clustered all evening but then went from 11-3:30 between feeds. He fussed a bit in between but was placated with a dummy. Hopefully he won't need hourly feeds till morning now. DS1 and DS2 both have swimming lessons and a birthday party each to go to tomorrow so it's going to be a hectic day, I could do with a bit more sleep to get me through.

ValiumQueen Sat 26-Jan-13 04:21:05

stunt sorry you are having a time of it still, and that does sound like a hectic day.

DS is being an angel which is just as well as been dealing with a poorly 2yo too. He settled 10.30 again, ten min feed at 1.15 and up at 4. I should have let him self settle at earlier waking but I was worried he would wake DD.

DD is being very brave. Poor scrap. My DH knew she was ill but drank a bottle of wine so is useless and snoring loudly and will be a grumpy twat tomorrow. He fell off the healthy eating wagon and is restarting today, hence wine. Hmm.

Catbag Sat 26-Jan-13 04:29:54

So.. many... pages...!

ValiumQueen Sat 26-Jan-13 04:38:08

This swaddling so long puzzles me. I only swaddled middle child and then only for first month with gradual releasing of one arm at a time, then legs. DS never tolerated it but I did not try that hard tbh. My first slept through from 6 weeks with no swaddle, so not sure it necessarily affects sleep negatively by not swaddling. I have been reading with interest.

ValiumQueen Sat 26-Jan-13 04:40:25

Hello cat we have been chatting about religion, songs, tv, willies and occasionally babies. How are you? How are the bumbos working out?

TheDetective Sat 26-Jan-13 04:43:22

I'd got used to 7-8 hour stretches! 6 hours tonight. Damn it!

I only went to bed at 1 idiot! sad

TheDetective Sat 26-Jan-13 04:45:45

Think like most things, it just depends on the baby! Some do, some don't! Mine likes it as he just hits himself. Over and over.

kirrinIsland Sat 26-Jan-13 04:56:50

Blimey stunt You are busy tomorrow! Hope J obliges with a mammoth sleep till morning.

N has just done 11.30-4 which I'm pretty pleased with. If she can just settle back down now that will be great! Self settling isn't really happening here yet. She has done it in the middle of the night, I've heard here wake a few times and then drop back off again when I've ignored her but there seems to be no chance of getting her to do it when she's going to sleep in the first place, if that makes sense.

glenda I have to transfer from me to my bed (on her back next to me) and then to the Moses basket once she's settled - it takes ages, and if I try too soon it's back to square one. I think the change from cosy in my arms to cold Moses basket is too much for her - putting her on the bed first seems to acclimatise her a bit.

KatieLily12 Sat 26-Jan-13 05:51:41

GT hoping you slept ok despite you're rage x

GTbaby Sat 26-Jan-13 06:04:35

Came to bed at 4 I think. N now LO needs feeding. Still wana smash his face in. 2 hours sleep max.

So exhausted.
A) start tiding bedroom really early so to disturb his sleep as much as possible.
B) sleep till he leaves for work at 12...

Which will it be?

KatieLily12 Sat 26-Jan-13 06:08:28

Sleep love. Get some sleep x

StuntNun Sat 26-Jan-13 06:16:48

Hope you're okay GT, was he out with his mates?

J slept till 6 so I'm very happy with that, only two feeds last night although the last one of the evening was around 11 so maybe that counts as 3?

VQ as Detective would say...
Swaddle, swaddle, swaddle.
'Til the very next day.

kirrinIsland Sat 26-Jan-13 06:46:35

Finally got N down, an hour and a half after she woke, and half an later we're up again. Think it might be a long day......

GT go for the sleep option. Always go for the sleep option.

Dixiebell Sat 26-Jan-13 06:53:25

Marking...bit late!

Dixiebell Sat 26-Jan-13 07:14:10

Why does everyone decide to wake up early on a Saturday? DH is normally up at 6.30 on work days, so we all are. But was hoping for lie-in today. But Teddy woke at 3.30 for feed after about 4 nights of going through till 5.30/6ish, then ds1 who often stays quiet till 8 if we do, is calling for us dead on 6am as he's dropped his toy rabbit out of bed. Humph.

I'm up for West Wing viewing. Any excuse to watch the lot again for the tenth time.smile

kirrin, my stretch marks are just as red as ever. And my tummy is a v weird shape with dip in the middle from split muscles and herniated belly button. Don't think I'll ever be seen in a bikini again...!

StuntNun Sat 26-Jan-13 07:21:51

Right I woke up early or was woken up early by a baby who snacked for five minutes then went back to sleep so I have been doing a bit of research. The Sep 12 babies thread has been going since September. The last Oct 12 thread lasted 18 days. The last Dec 12 thread lasted 20 days. The current Jan 13 thread has been going for 26 days. Our last thread - 4 DAYS! Wtf is going on?

CandyPop Sat 26-Jan-13 07:33:04

I finding it harder and harder to catch up with this thread sad

I might become a lurker for awhile. Will still be active on our Facebook page but this is too fast moving!!

Don't forget about me! I will be back ........ Xxx
(I know I know kisses are frowned upon on mn but I'm taking a small holiday from you guys so I think it should be allowed as this is an one off occasion!)

zcos Sat 26-Jan-13 07:35:07

Gt hope your sleeping let us know what your oh is like this morn.
drinking is the only problem (setting myself up for a fall) with my oh. I still fuming for him getting peed on Christmas day and leaving me too it (my parents were over but hey) ... he kept saying but its Christmas! He still can't understand why I have any problem. When do I get my Christmas?? He was the same last year. He still doesn't understand why I could be angry always asks sarcastically if he can have a glass of wine but usually has most of the bottle! when he does that - only a few times am I being harsh - then I feel like I'm doing this on my own ... so I may aswell be!!!angry angry rant over
do try putting d down awake seems she only sleeps when she is ready and feels she has cluster fed enough just wish she didn't want to eat after her bath then all night bath is at 7 maybe I should bring it forward any ideas. also considering putting her in own room doors would need to be shut though cat a worry! she would seem so far away - I'M obviously not ready!

Sophiathesnowfairy Sat 26-Jan-13 07:38:26

gt B


Friday Night through Sat morning is DH duty.

He has got both boys up and downstairs.
Attempted to feed baby Oliver with not much success (even after not having anything since his 10:30 feed I struggle with his breakfast, I just don't think he is a breakfast kind of boy. I have worked out if Ileave him half an hour since he woke he feeds better in the morning)
He is now trying to get them ready to go out to Costa.

An hours peace

I probably won't be Fly till a little later today but I have stuck at it all week and I feel much more on top of stuff. stunt I follow your advice and delete everything except the flightplan

PetiteRaleuse Sat 26-Jan-13 07:39:55

The waking up on Thursday night seems to have been a blip. Back to 10 hours last night. Both kids went down easily which means we got to spend the evening together. It's our 5th wedding anniversary today.

zcos Sat 26-Jan-13 07:41:19

stunt its probably me joining sad shall self impose some silence for a bit!

zcos Sat 26-Jan-13 07:42:29

sorry that didn't last long happy anniversary petite!

zcos Sat 26-Jan-13 07:44:39

... how do I find the fbook page? ... will now go back to silence as promised!

PetiteRaleuse Sat 26-Jan-13 07:46:40

Thanks. Don't worry we've always been like this.

The FB group is called Nov 12 babies.

daisychain76 Sat 26-Jan-13 08:11:04

Two lots of 4 hour stretches last night. Best night ever!!!!

Happy anniversary PR. Hope you are taking the sleep option Gt.Also hope you are not gone long Candy.

About an inch of snow here (Derbyshire) on top of the stuff from last week. Good excuse for lots of TV and hot chocolate smile

Thechick Sat 26-Jan-13 08:16:55

Gt I love those clips too. That and the apple slicer things. Yes I remember when this thread was quiet, seems a very long time ago.
Zcos I hope you are feeling better today
I only keep up with the thread on occasion, I read during he night feeds.

MadamGazelleIsMyMum Sat 26-Jan-13 08:19:38

Morning all <yawn>. DD had a better night and DS was good again, makes a huge difference, so why am I still tired.

GT my DH cant stand the silent treatment either, a very useful weapon.

Think I have successfully transferred DS to the bottle - he didnt want boob this morning but hoovered 6oz in a bottle. This is great as it is what I wanted at this stage, and I need him happily on bottles before my return to work and I need this to be nicely in advance so I dont (a) stress about it when at work and (b) leak at work, but I feel a little bit sad?! This has got to be hormonal, right?

kissyfur Sat 26-Jan-13 08:20:27

Well baby slept 11 til 4, then back to sleep but I lay there awake til gone 6. LO is so noisy! Snuffling and squeaking all the time. I had to put Ewan on to send me to sleep in the end!

Its my birthday today so we are off out for a coffee somewhere nice and maybe lunch at Wagamamas smile then later hopefully going to the cinema. I expressed yesterday in the hope that if LO gets in a state while I'm gone my mum can try giving her a bottle. I'll only be gone 3 hours tho so hopefully she will be good and not have a screamathon!

fruitpastilles Sat 26-Jan-13 08:20:52

Happy anniversary PR
S went down at 8, woke for a feed at 4 and went straight back to sleep, and I can only just hear her stirring now grin
I'd be up for west wing viewing I've never seen it before.
WRT dh/p's helping, mine had never even changed a nappy until last night hmm he never gets up in the night with her, not even on the weekend. He seems to think that it is my job. We decided that I won't be going back to work (which I am v happy about) so he seems to think now that he doesn't have to help. He only done the nappy yesterday because I made him, probably my own fault for not forcing the issue sooner, sometimes I'd rather do it myself though to save the hassle.

fruitpastilles Sat 26-Jan-13 08:22:08

ps just sent a request in to join the Facebook group smile

kissyfur Sat 26-Jan-13 08:22:39

Happy anniversary PR thanks

TheDetective Sat 26-Jan-13 08:23:30

To those worrying about catching up... Don't! You don't need to read it all to post! If I've fallen really far behind I either skim read, or just read the last 2 pages. I miss loads of bits but it can't be helped! I read on my mobile during feeds or if sat around waiting while out and about. I read about 6 times a day! Not keen on phone posting unless it's short like this! My thumbs don't appreciate the exercise!

Or maybe someone could post a daily round up of pertinent events?! I'm not volunteering!! Maybe it could be done on a rota lol!

TheDetective Sat 26-Jan-13 08:26:43

We have about 6 inches of snow!

PetiteRaleuse Sat 26-Jan-13 08:35:27

Happy birthday kissyfur ! Enjoy your day!

PetiteRaleuse Sat 26-Jan-13 08:37:06

When I get behind with the thread I skim, then read properly if I have time. It really helps when people bold the usernames so that mentions / questions etc are easy to find.

horseylady Sat 26-Jan-13 08:41:26

Daisy where are you in derby? We've got loads here!!! Nothing to report. I don't swaddle be likes to hold his hands.....

kirrinIsland Sat 26-Jan-13 08:50:07

Happy anniversary PR and happy birthday kissy thanks

Wrt keeping up - I don't! I read throughout the day on my phone, but don't often post because it's so tedious to do it on that. In the evening I'm a bit more thorough but I won't remember enough of what's been said during the day to comment on it all. I do my best!

PurplePidjin Sat 26-Jan-13 08:56:27

Happy birthday Kissy thanks

Happy anniversary PR thanks

Pikz Sat 26-Jan-13 08:57:29

Happy Anniversary PR and birthday Kissyfur.

The bold piece doesn't work on my phone on the app for some reason.

LO was a bit up and down overnight. Went down at 8 and then did 1,4,5 and 8. The 5am was just a cuddle and I'm not sure why!

blonderthanred Sat 26-Jan-13 09:08:21

Happy anniversary PR and happy birthday Kissy!

Does anyone else make a guess when they open or refresh the thread as to how many posts it will be up to?

Sounds like a few people had ok sleep, well done LOs. DS still very erratic but had a long sleep 11-4 and DH took him downstairs at 6.30 so I could sleep more.

Eliza that's what L weighed at 11 wks but 10-15 oz of top up per day made him put on 1lb in ten days so you are doing the right thing in persevering even though it is so frustrating. Have you tried various bottles/teats/temperatures?

DS has stopped taking ebm. No idea why but for the last week he will take a tiny amount and then scream the place down. We keep having to throw the rest away. <rejected mummy emoticon>

Morning ladies

pr happy anniversary - which one is it? Leather? We've got our 7th in feb and its candy nom nom

vq at work we see 2 types of newborn - the ones who are thankful to be out of that squidgy tiny cramped space (usually born 8lb 7oz +) they sleep very happily on their backs with their arms in the surrender position and the only Moro reflex they do is when the paed tests for it or when there's a loud noise - the other type are a little bit tinier and they miss the confines of their cosy walled space and spend all their time startling - with their arms out they flail at the slightest noise/breeze/disturbance - these are the ones we swaddle when the mums are in tears cos their baby won't settle - 9/10 times it works a treat and baby and mum get some sleep - of course this is just my half baked theory from working with newborns for 5 years - its when they go home I'm clueless lol

We are all obviously very chatty and friendly and have no life lol - in sure it'll start slowing down as and when we start going back to work etc...

candy don't leave us - just chip in when you need to vent, chat or brag about LO achieving next milestone lol

Well darling Dottie would not settle anywhere but in my arms so ended up with her in bed and me trying to feed her without suffocating her she was happy there until 1:45 but I can't sleep/relax with her in the bed so then picked her up in my hands rather than snuggled to me so she didn't feel me moving away and after tiny movements creeping away from her she stayed down!!! And she had one arm out wooooo so will try and wean her off the swaddle!!

Happy birthday kissy - sound delish not been for ages cos the nearest one is near yo sushi and that always wins out lil

ValiumQueen Sat 26-Jan-13 09:27:35

stunt I like the swaddle swaddle. Very witty! I also feel the need to point out that there are two Oct 12 threads.

blonder sorry to hear that. Perhaps you could see this as an advantage and give yourself a break from pumping? Continue to feed, but top up with formula from now on? Remember you are a legend and have done so well x

candy sorry thanks

Great news about long sleeps and celebrations.

Last night a bit of a blur with sick DD, but I think DS slept. He was certainly excellent at feeding and settling

Should we have a waffle emoticon? Like if we are posting irrelevant shite start with a biscuit so posters struggling to catch up can skim? This thread is what it is, and I would hate for anyone to feel they cannot post, even if it is shite. Posting shite may actually really be important to that person - a little human contact, or distraction or helping them stay awake and generally cope better. I am very against restrictions on posting, and would leave if they were enforced.

So my vote is biscuit for drivel posts. Any better ideas?

ValiumQueen Sat 26-Jan-13 09:31:44

glenda very interesting about babies. Having only had fat babies that would make sense. Great news on the arm! (I do not think this is drivel?)

ChunkyChicken Sat 26-Jan-13 09:32:51

Funny you say that glenda my DS was born at 38+6 weighing 6lb 15oz. He seemed like he was over-due, as he was so dry & wrinkly and everyone looked at the size of me & his position & predicted I'd have had him by 38wks But from day 1 he liked laying on his back, arms crossed across his chest or in surrender, & only startled when a really loud, clanging sound (think hearing my DD's racket in utero must have helped!). He also is quite happy laying on his own. Hence the sling I bought hasn't been used much sad He wasn't much like a teeny newborn at all!! He did grow v quickly & put on a lb in 9days... Weird! smile

vq I love chunky babies - on the ward we had an 11lb 8oz baby - he was huge!!! But very cuddly!!! And the mother was intact - kudos to her lol - its weird cos Dottie is now on her feeding pillow lying tucked under my arm but she's not swaddled and has been asleep like this for an hour - she does occasional tai chi like movements and only one face twat but the minute she goes in the crib unswaddled it's like she's conducting the royal philharmonic orchestra!!!

MissMummy1 Sat 26-Jan-13 09:45:32

I'm with VQ on this one. This thread is the only thing that's kept me sane during M's worst nights. Yes I am famous for posting crap and ranting about DP doing so on here and not at him has probably saved our relationship during the sleep deprived newborn weeks blush but I would literally have gone mad if it wasn't for you guys when I was - otherwise - on my own during growth spurt hell! I love reading about your babies and all your successes, and hope I can provide some kind words back for those struggling as you have all done for me at some point. So a massive thank you to you all, and a big thumbs down to any kind of restrictions! thanks

PS M hates swaddling. Or anything covering her arms. Being a big baby (8lbs13oz at birth) her behaviour fits with glenda 's theory. I've found putting her down semi awake and letting her chat to herself is the key to our recent long sleep success.

Happy birthday kissy and anniversary PR ! (please tell me I've got that the right way round!!)

Brockle Sat 26-Jan-13 10:20:28

glenda Yousef fits your theory perfectly. 9lb 3oz and is perfectly happy in a grow bag.

DS1 and 2 have already built a snowman and snowdog this morning and now have no idea what to DP with themselves. Could be a long day.

I only post occasionally and usually crappy info but I like the fact I can dip In and out smile

Thechick Sat 26-Jan-13 10:23:14

Glenda my little one was born at 34+0 was 5lb1oz and unless he's in a really deep sleep startles really easily. He sleeps on his back but only a couple of times has drifted off to sleep without help. He hates being swaddled as the moro reflex wakes him, so I have to swaddle when he's asleep. Your theory is right with us.

Elizadoesdolittle Sat 26-Jan-13 10:39:08

blonder yep, tried various teats & temps. She likes it quite warm and we had some success with the Nuk latex teat but now she won't have that either. I've bought a playtex one which has just been dispatched by amazon so will see how that goes. The same way as the others I expect. I just syringed nearly 3ozs (90ml) of formula into her but she sicked most of it back. It took so long but am going to make sure I do that at least twice a day. I'm expressing now as I think the formula might have been too heavy for her and I've run out of ebm. It's so good to hear you are having success. Gives me hope that all is not lost. I'll get this girl to gain weight even if it kills me (which at the moment seems quite likely!).

On a positive note we've had 2 house viewings and got 1 today. One person yesterday seemed very interested and doesn't have anywhere to sell so I'm keeping my fingers crossed on that one.

The sun is shining at last so going to go out for lunch and take DD1 for a bike ride. Have a good day y'all smile

PetiteRaleuse Sat 26-Jan-13 10:46:18

I am also against restriction on posting. I love this group. You were all so supportive when the DDs were ill. If I hadn't been able to waffle away to you I'd have gone a little mad.

zcos Sat 26-Jan-13 10:51:29

wish I had known bout the swaddling in hospital my d was 6 12 lb and would not sleep! v busy ward so no one suggested it to me. will ensure I mention it to my mates who have babies in coming years. I will need to put a biscuit for every post! don't have them on phone app!

horseylady Sat 26-Jan-13 10:58:01

I agree. It moves fast most of it's drivel lol but it's funny and were a huge group!!!

Ds is about out of his 0-3months sad

TheDetective Sat 26-Jan-13 11:02:53

All my posts will have a biscuit!

Glenda Bloody hell, you might be on to something there! Both my babies wanted swaddling. Ds1 was 8lb5 but he was very distressed after birth with a sore head. He didn't need swaddling past 6 weeks I think.

Ds2 wants to be swaddled and is quite happy being awake and swaddled and will lie there happily! It seems to make him feel secure.

The bigger babies, you are right, those are the ones that seem happy to just chill on their backs hands by the side of their faces! Little ones seem to settle better wrapped!

I think you are definitely on to something there!

My theory may also answer why little little ones prefer to sleep on mummies - in nicu they put teeny babes on their fronts on sheepskins so they feel safe and secure and protected - on their backs they feel exposed and vulnerable!!

Will be getting dots cot on weds thank fuck for payday and getting the best mattress possible cos I think dots may sleep better on her front!!

If I have to watch one more pissing episode of spongebob I'm going to implode - dd1 is a sneaky cow and moves the remote out of arms reach when I'm feeding!!!

detective most of the mat care assistants where I work believe the same - the old school midwives believe in swaddling but some of the not so old school go around undoing all the babies Weve swaddled cos they've been told they'll over heat - then we're left with a ward of crying babies lol!!!

Sophiathesnowfairy Sat 26-Jan-13 11:16:53

All my posts will have a biscuit but think is a great idea. I agree with mm and vq.

This thread has saved my sanity and tears many a time. Sniff. Tear. thanks

ValiumQueen Sat 26-Jan-13 11:23:56

horsey he is 3 months tomorrow so it is to be expected!

detective that goes without saying grin

We would need something other than a biscuit for phones. Good point.

How about :


Folk will then know to skim unless bored?

ValiumQueen Sat 26-Jan-13 11:26:02


My DH is busy cleaning stuff that really does not matter. He loves to re-arrange stuff when we have bigger more important things to do. Grr!!

Pikz Sat 26-Jan-13 11:31:31

See I think we fit too. L was 7lb6 and liked swaddling for about 4 weeks at which point he grew to nearly 10lb and hated it. Now he likes grobags and arm waving and occasionally twating himself.

Pikz Sat 26-Jan-13 11:33:58

VQ mine is always doing something pointless too like making a creation out of puff pastry or cappuccino when I actually need the dishwasher un stacked or LO holding so I can shower!

Horsey you are lucky L is 9 weeks and fully in 3-6ms

kirrinIsland Sat 26-Jan-13 11:39:10

I think the biscuit idea is a good one. It would be a shame to try and restrict posts, I think it would change the nature of the thread and it appears to be a bit of a lifeline for some of us.

We were advised not to swaddle by midwife due to the overheating risk.

DP has just pissed me off. The man has no brains.

He said to me this morning after DTs woke at 7:30am that his friend at work has a 14 week old baby that sleeps until 9am & what am I doing wrong that our daughters only sleep until 7:30!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! He doesn't see that the 14 week old goes to bed at midnight and ours are in their cots asleep by 6:45pm. I have stopped waking them for a 11pm feed as DT2 would wake at 4am and often wake her sister. I let them wake themselves and they have been going until 4am, having 3oz milk then going back to sleep until 7:30.

I have worked so hard with both of them (mostly on my own) and he has the gall to say that to me.

Total arse.

kirrinIsland Sat 26-Jan-13 11:42:06

Oop, cross posts. .......... Is even better!

TheDetective Sat 26-Jan-13 11:43:44

I swaddle every baby in the first 24 hours as they drop temp so easily. Overheating is so unlikely in that time! If babies get cold, you know what happens! They don't bloody feed, their BMs drop and you can kiss goodbye to breastfeeding until you've warmed them back up!

I only don't swaddle if they don't need it. You can just tell which babies do and don't. I thought it was instinct but maybe not now I've thought about it!

kirrinIsland Sat 26-Jan-13 11:44:41

garden I hope you told him it's because the 14 weeks old doesn't have a father who's a waste of skin? Makes all the difference you know. Fact.

KatieLily12 Sat 26-Jan-13 11:48:32

Interesting theory about small babies and swaddling. LO was 8 days early but still 7.7. However I've always doubted that weight as I was on so many IVs u think she was bloated like a cheap chicken.

I'm the worse offender for lots of posts. Sorry guys.

ValiumQueen Sat 26-Jan-13 11:52:01

Serious post here. Advice needed. DD2 has twitted DD1 in the face and her two front teeth look like nanny McPhee. Bleeding ok, but very sore. What should I do? Very wobbly teeth anyway. Baby teeth. To pull or leave or A&E?

Had a good night despite Ms cold. She slept 11-6, fed then 7-10:30 when we were woken by the postman knocking. We've watched tv in bed for 30 mins then just spent 30 mins cleaning a poosplosion!

Now the arghhh part. Just had a text to say MILs on her way over. After no text and no visit yesterday when I was expecting them. I'm in my pjs, full on bed head, house is a shit tip and I've got my boob out.
They'll say they don't mind about the mess and me in pjs etc but I mind. I'd like a bit more organisation.

Ah well nice to vent. DH is due home in 20mins so I hope the snow doesn't delay him

MissMummy1 Sat 26-Jan-13 12:00:41

Tough one vq - I'd be inclined to pull or leave if they were wobbly anyway. Go with your instinct smile

blonderthanred Sat 26-Jan-13 12:01:01

VQ were they anywhere near being wobbly before the twattage?

ValiumQueen Sat 26-Jan-13 12:04:10

Pretty wobbly. Awaiting NHS 24. Poor scrap. She will not be able to eat and a google reveals not to fiddle

blonderthanred Sat 26-Jan-13 12:06:00

Poor thing. The joys of little sisters eh. Mine once cut off my long hair without me noticing.

ValiumQueen Sat 26-Jan-13 12:07:35

They put you through to emergency dentist. Just waiting.

PetiteRaleuse Sat 26-Jan-13 12:11:47

I would leave for now VQ . I fell and knocked all my milk teeth to wobbliness when I was little and they were left and I was treated with paracetamol and ice lollies.

TheDetective Sat 26-Jan-13 12:12:14

I would perhaps take her to the dentist first thing on Monday. I'm not sure. Is she in pain?

I wouldn't pull them unless they are almost out xxx

PetiteRaleuse Sat 26-Jan-13 12:19:34

Don't pull them <Shudders> . Teeth will come out when they'e good and ready, and if this has made them good and ready they will come out on their own. Yy Detective good idea to go to dentist Monday.

Sophiathesnowfairy Sat 26-Jan-13 12:22:51

fatima I think they should see it how it is. Don't do anything my lovely. You are doing brilliantly but this is how it is in the early weeks, you should not put up a front. Good luck.

vq a&e I think. Sorry. That's your Saturday gone.

ValiumQueen Sat 26-Jan-13 12:26:10

I couldn't pull them. Cannot do teeth. Nhs24 want her seen due to risk of swelling and infection. Likely will pull them. Awaiting callback from actual clinic. I have explained I have a baby wot don't do bottles so they will hopefully be accommodating. She cannot eat bless her. They look awful. I think the tooth fairy will be quite generous.

Thanks guys x

ValiumQueen Sat 26-Jan-13 12:27:41

sophia very glad it is not A&E but actual dentist surgery. DH tried to tell DD2 off, but she is 2. She did not do it on purpose and is fast asleep now.

ValiumQueen Sat 26-Jan-13 12:28:32

blonder same thing happened to my mum. She lost a plait at school grin

blonderthanred Sat 26-Jan-13 12:30:17

Hair not quite as painful as teeth obvs. Hope she is ok. Don't think I could pull teeth out either.

PetiteRaleuse Sat 26-Jan-13 12:32:55

Oh the poor kid. I remember loving the attention though and the unlimited ice cream and lollies

TheTiger Sat 26-Jan-13 12:35:48

Ok, so I decided to take the advice I was given yesterday and try to put DS down for his naps. So I gave him a cuddle until i could see he was sleepy and put him in the pram carrycot which we keep on a rocking stand. He was awake but dozy. He winged for a few mins but I've been rocking and shushing and he went to sleep within 5 mins. He lasted just under 20 mins then woke up crying.

So, I've picked him up and cuddled him and he's gone straight back to sleep in my arms. What should I be doing? Should I keep putting him back down, then picking up if he cries. Or should I just accept that small nap in the pram as a starting point and keep going, hoping he gets used to it? I just worry that if I keep putting him down for short periods of time he won't get enough sleep. He usually has a good 90 minute sleep in the afternoon on my knee.

Happy birthday kissy and happy anniversary PR

glenda I did the swaddling last night and he woke after an hour fighting his way out so I gave up and took it off. I wish he would be swaddled because these little arms flail around and hit us both!

garden your DH is being an idiot. What I would do for DS to sleep like your DTs. See, I'm not fussy I don't ask for a full night's sleep, even a 6 hour stretch would be amazing!

VQ think I would A&E that, unless you have a dental walk in centre?

Well DH is on a stag do in Brighton. I'm quite amazed he made it with the snow here. I have had 3 phone calls already since he left this morning! The snow is rubbish, no way will I get DS's pram through it so looks like I'm housebound today sad

StuntNun Sat 26-Jan-13 12:55:39

VQ and Pikz my DH does that too. Two days after I got out of hospital I told him I was starving and he said, "I meant to make biscuits today but I didn't get time". I didn't want homemade biscuits, I wanted real food! I think by that time I had shuffled over to the fridge and was eating any leftovers in there I could find.

It's okay Katie you get extra post rations because you're new and need to catch up.

No idea about the teeth VQ, but there are two little girls in DS2's class that both lost their two front teeth before they started school (in separate incidents I hope) and they were told the adult teeth would come through at the same time they would have done normally, they wouldn't erupt early with the baby teeth missing. May have to give up on corn on the cob for a while poor thing. Both my DSs hated missing out on corn on the cob waiting for their big teeth to come through.

How old is your LO Tiger? J is usually rocked to sleep or fed to sleep but I'm holding off on any sleep training until after the 12-week growth spurt as I think it will be easier then.

TooManyDicksOnTheDancefloor Sat 26-Jan-13 13:28:37

I've finally caught up!

zcos, I'm a Taff but live in Yorkshire. Both dd's have welsh names, Cerys and Bronwen.

I had a very scary evening. I went out for dinner with my friends in Leeds city centre, it was the first time leaving LO with DH. It was snowing when I left but thought it would be ok. By the time we finished dinner at 10.30 the city was snowed in, No buses or taxis running! My friends managed to get trains to where they live but I'm not on a train line. DH had to wake dd1 (5) and put her and B in the car to pick me up. The roads were horrendous, they closed the motorway it was so bad. Meanwhile, I'm walking from the train station to try and meet him somewhere better, it was like a scene out of 'the day after tomorrow'. People were walking miles to get home. We eventually met up and got home along side-roads, avoiding a collision with a car the spun completely in front of us and pedestrians walking down the middle of the road. Awful, most scary experience ever. I am never going out again.

Swaddling -we swaddled dd1 until she was 6 months old! Would not sleep without a swaddle! 7lb13oz 7 days late. Bronwen is also swaddled, wakes after about 10mins without a swaddle, she was 7lb 11oz, 6 days late.

Cluster feeding - Bronwen cluster feeds every evening now from 7-10.30pm but then sleeps until 6am so I'm just letting her get on with it.

Happy anniversary PR and happy birthday kissy ( I hope that's right, can't remember)

TooManyDicksOnTheDancefloor Sat 26-Jan-13 13:36:11

We use the fleece Velcro 'swaddle me' by kiddopotamus. We've got a small and a large. This is the large for those struggling to find a larger size.


TheDetective Sat 26-Jan-13 13:37:19

Oh poor DD1 VQ. Am impressed about emergency dentist. Is it because you are registered with one? I won't bore you with the tale, but here, you are left in agony all weekend fucking tossers with any dental related stuff. Unless your own dentist has out of hours. I wasn't registered with one... well I had been, but thrown off the books for not going! sad

I hope she gets sorted. Can they not fix them with glue?! I have no idea. I'm not good with teeth!

Definitely having a snow day here. I'm nice and cosy on the sofa, waiting for my lunch to cook while Oscar snoozes in the swing. I have such a predictable baby. I can't tell you that there is any difference in his cries, but I know exactly what he wants every time.

I was musing yesterday over the differences between having DS1 and DS2. I feel I am a much better mum this time around. I don't mean in how I love them, just in the fact that I am happier, comparing how I felt last time, I must have been depressed. I did not feel like I do this time at all. I wouldn't have said it was PND, more depressed at the situation I was in. I was so damn independent that I ended up isolating myself and feeling so very lonely. I didn't have any money to go out and do things with, and no one to go and see, or anyone to come over. I didn't have a car so was reliant on buses - so lots of places were too hard to get to, so I just didn't bother going. In retrospect I probably should have stayed at home living with my mum, rather than moving out at 17 to live with my partner. He should have moved in to my mums with me. But I had a point to prove hmm. Not like me that...! Mind you, I might not be where I am today if I had not done those things. Swings and roundabouts!

I am so glad I waited this long for another. I needed to be in the place I am now so I could fully appreciate a baby. I'm so grateful for him - it really has been as if he has been missing my whole life. I love having 2 children. It's fabulous. It felt as if there was a void in my life for so long. I wish I could of had a smaller age gap, but life just goes that way sometimes.

Oooh, deep post. Sorry! Just wanted to get it off my mind!

TheTiger Sat 26-Jan-13 13:37:55

stunt he's 14 weeks. He won't sleep unless in my arms, even sleeps in the crook of my arm at night in bed. What kind of sleep training are you planning?

I should be annoyed at him when he thinks 5 am is time to get up, but how can I when he is just so lovely and cute?? When he smiles and coos at me he has me round his adorable chubby little finger.

TheDetective Sat 26-Jan-13 13:47:16

This is right by my house! Bloody hell, glad I wasn't going to work last night, or I'd have been in that!! That is the m'way that is right by my house, I live right next to J25. The 2nd picture is 0.7 miles from my house (less if you go by birds eye!).

TooMany I got stuck like that one year. Never again! I hope you have recovered!

vq how old is dd1 - if they were wobbly already and causing pain then hopefully the dentist will gently ease them out - are they her first ones?? Love tooth fairy visits had one last week for dd1 but the silly tooth fairy was sooooo busy it took her 2 nights to collect & reward nothing to do with sleep deprived forgetful mother hope she's ok!! I did think it was the baby that had twatted her and wondered if your dh was David Hayes lol

Wooooooo I've been flying!!! Ordered dh and dc about and put Dottie in swing - she hated it after 10 mins do put her on my hip and then in the sling like mini me (I'll put a pic on fb) and hey presto - front room is now tidy and dog hair free for all of 2 seconds just need to do loo and bathroom tomorrow then I'm happy!!

Dh is planning to cook tomorrow <cue fanfare> he's just asked me what juniper berries are and where would they be in tesco hmm I don't want something ala carte or from Jamie/Gordon/nigella I just want him to knock up a spag Bol once in a while when I can't be arsed!!!

I love our fast moving thread - keeps me amused when I'm rocking dots to sleep or sat in the drs chuckling about broken fanjos - not that a broken fanjo is funny lol

Awwwww det has gone all squidgy and soppy - how lovely - its fab that oscar is predictable and you know what he needs and when - I felt like that with my other 2 whereas with dots I'm sometimes clueless and end up in tears!!!

TheDetective Sat 26-Jan-13 14:01:01

I was the same with DS1 Glenda. I guess we all get one baby who is a little sod!!

zcos Sat 26-Jan-13 14:01:29

snow in Wales gone may finally get to leave the house we were in red zone over a week ago!

GTbaby Sat 26-Jan-13 14:19:45


stunt wow. so its official we talk to much and need to slow down
candy i thinking i'm going to join u on the lurker status. the only time i can catch up is when feeding and then i cant post in response to anything as i forget who im saying what to. sad

zcos we have the same issue, its his alcohol intake, or rather his behaviour. i wouldnt mind but he just turns into a rambling idiot spouting random sounds... sounds like LO minus the idiot part. he insists on talking but makes no sense, he winds me up and i get upset. this morning he is all 'whats wrong what have i done?' angry keeping me awake until 3am, getting me so upset i cant sleep till after 4. i then have to wake at 6 to feed lo, i have had at most 4 hours sleep with interruptions. WHAT THE FUCK DO YOU THINK IS WRONG WITH ME. im still fuming.

madam the silent treatment didnt last long! see above lol well i had to tell him what was wrong, i even pulled away when he tried to kiss me bye. now the silent treatment will start. im going to bed when LO does, so will make it easier.

VQ good idea

tiger how long did you let him cry for when he woke? TRY not to pick him up, try the shushing rocking to see is he will settle. if this doesnt work. try pick him up, sooth him till calm, them put him down again.

right off to eat.

ValiumQueen Sat 26-Jan-13 14:23:56

Update: appointment not until 3.15 and at the bloody hospital anyway, so a significant journey, especially in the snow. We would be coming back in the dark too, so would have risk of ice. I would have to take DS, and leave a sick toddler at home. If DD1 had not made a miraculous recovery, I would go, but she has been dancing around, singing, laughing, eating, drinking, and sucking her sodding fingers. The pain is negligible now as the finger sucking has popped them back so I am not going to go. I will cancel the appt. She is at the dentist Tuesday anyway. I do not think that makes me a bad mother, but will no doubt in the small hours.

garden what a twat!

fatima I would make no effort whatsoever!

dicks glad you all got home safely x

detective saying you have a predictable baby is just asking for trouble! You still have the 12 week growth spurt to get through remember.

J is an angel baby (I know, I am asking for trouble too) and bf is so easy now. You guys who are struggling, 13 weeks is good!

Sophiathesnowfairy Sat 26-Jan-13 14:25:17


The Snow Fairy has been about this week, never mind the Tooth fairy. grin


ValiumQueen Sat 26-Jan-13 14:26:09

tiger I would pick up to check for wind, quick sniff of nappy, if not obviously hunger then straight back down again.

ValiumQueen Sat 26-Jan-13 14:28:29

biscuit an excellent example of biscuit use sophia well done!

NotSoNervous Sat 26-Jan-13 15:04:51

There was way to many posts for me to catch up on for just skimmed

* Vq* hope your DDs okay and you don't get trouble in the early hours

I'm going to a friends birthday tonight and taking DD, I quite fancy having a glass of wine or two but I'm not sure on how long it takes to leave your system before feeding again. I would give her ebm while we're out but would like to do the night feeds. Any ideas how to work it out?

ValiumQueen Sat 26-Jan-13 15:08:42

nervous 1-2 units max, and leave 2 hours before feeding is the advice from Kellymom website. Not to feed if feeling tiddled which is fairly obvious from a health and safety point of view.

TheDetective Sat 26-Jan-13 15:11:58

praying that the fact I am yet to notice growth spurting at work means I'll get off the hook at 12 weeks!!

Don't all pelt me with tomatoes!!! I threw up relentlessly and stabbed myself with Cyclizine for months. I was due some luck. And yes it's down to luck, not parenting!!

ValiumQueen Sat 26-Jan-13 15:16:04

biscuit any tomatoes would be heading over to Luxembourg, so do not worry detective

PennieLane Sat 26-Jan-13 15:16:30

Tiger my DH is on a stag do in Brighton this weekend too!

TheDetective Sat 26-Jan-13 15:17:06


I've bought some aveeno - with colloidal oatmeal??? Is that the right one for cradle cap?? How do I use it and how often? She's only got a teeny bit just at the front of he hair line and some dry bits further back that is the start of cc so want to get rid!!! Tia

PetiteRaleuse Sat 26-Jan-13 15:21:22

I don't notice much difference at growth spurts. I see they are happening as LO feeds and sleeps more. I guess when bf it's more noticeable <winces in sympathy>

the problem with shiny sinks is that it almost physically hurts to watch them get used and dirtied again each mealtime. My sink has been shined and dirtied twice already today, and it's shiny again, but am soon going to start preparing dinner, and that means it's going to be used again.

Tempted to go get pizza to avoid but have an anniversary dinner planned plus getting take out to avoid using sink would be both expensive and very silly

PetiteRaleuse Sat 26-Jan-13 15:23:05

Ooh I think there'll be even more tomatoes heading my way with that first line. Sorry. wine ?

MadamGazelleIsMyMum Sat 26-Jan-13 15:23:15

Just had DD meltdown at the shop. Had DS in a sling so couldnt hoik her under an arm and leave, had no pushchair as DD wanted to walk so was on her reins. Ended up dragging her home by the arm. Being in public probably the only thing that saved me from losing it. Then DD was fine once we got home and I could put DS down - she was full of cuddles and kisses. I thought I was handling two well, but days like today make me feel like a really shite parent - too busy with DD to give DS the time and attention DD had as a baby, but too occupied with DS to give DD my full attention which she obviously wants. sad

PetiteRaleuse Sat 26-Jan-13 15:24:11

biscuit Don't send too many. I'll slip on one and drop my baby again.

PennieLane Sat 26-Jan-13 15:28:36

I think (have only skimmed) we go against the theory. LO was 6.4lbs at birth and is still small-9.6lbs at 10 wks, has always really hated swaddling but likes her grotbag at night. She's always been a hand mover and has slept in surrender position from day 1. She was a week late.

MadamGazelleIsMyMum Sat 26-Jan-13 15:30:49

PR don't you need an exception to prove the rule?!

MadamGazelleIsMyMum Sat 26-Jan-13 15:31:07

PL oops

PetiteRaleuse Sat 26-Jan-13 15:32:41

gazelle don't think you're a shite mum. Two is hard. She's finding buttons to push to get your attention tis all. It's horrible, but will pass when LO becomes more interesting to her and when LO will need less full time attention. Which will be sooner than you might think. I've taken to putting LO in her bouncy chair and letting her watch me and DD1 read a story or whatever.

I have also found that when dealing with DD1, if LO starts to cry, DD1 is visibly relieved that I don't rush straight to her. We have the time to finish our story, or our song, or whatever we're doing at the time. At the beginning I would dump whatever I was doing with DD1 and with hindsight that sent out the wrong message. Not insinuating you may be doing that, at all, just putting thoughts to paper. So to speak.

As they get older it will be easier. It's just that right now we have to remember to male time for the older kid, and I think they pick up on it. Doesn't help that they are at tantrum age anyway.

PennieLane Sat 26-Jan-13 15:40:02

biscuit I've just caught up. Thanks PR, I hope you're right. Zcos, sounds v compulsive, I'll have to check it out, I've only got the brain capacity for trashy TV at the moment!

MadamGazelleIsMyMum Sat 26-Jan-13 15:40:35

PR, good advice. DS spends a fair amount too much time in a chair watching while DD and I potter about. She does like to sit by him and "help" him play with his toys too. His eyes follow her around, so am sure he is content doing that. I think the comment about not rushing to DS but getting to him when I can is a good one - will be reassuring to DD, but goes against the grain somewhat, doesnt it, to let them cry? Still, as long as he isnt hurt or whatever, it wont do him any harm I guess. Thanks thanks

PetiteRaleuse Sat 26-Jan-13 15:44:07

It does go against the grain, plus it's a bloody irritating noise, but a few minutes, just enough to show DD that she is no less important than her little brother, won't do any harm.

PurplePidjin Sat 26-Jan-13 15:49:43

Same as Pennie (6lb3 born 11 days early, now tipping 9lb at not quite 10 weeks) except he's a front sleeper...

StuntNun Sat 26-Jan-13 15:51:59

Glenda I rub the Aveeno into the cradle cap just before J has his bath then wash it off with a facecloth in the bath. Don't use shampoo or anything because it dried the scalp.

Tiger for sleep training I will watch for sleep cues such as yawning then put J into his cot with the cot mobile going. If he cries I will give him a chance to stop by himself then pat his tummy and make shushing noises. If he falls asleep while feeding I will wind him to wake him up enough that his eyes are flickering then put him in his cot. If this doesn't work I'll try something else. He sleeps pretty well and will fall asleep in the swing, he just needs to learn how to self-settle and then it will be easier to put him down for daytime naps and hopefully he will wake me less frequently at night.

PetiteRaleuse Sat 26-Jan-13 16:02:15

Oops. Lost track of time and DD1's 90 minute afternoon nap went to over 3 hours. Tonight is going to be fun. Not.

NotSoNervous Sat 26-Jan-13 16:05:37

Thanks VQ smile

TheTiger Sat 26-Jan-13 16:13:12

Thanks stunt VQ and GT for your info. I need to toughen up!

pennie I wonder if they are on the same stag do, haha!

TheTiger Sat 26-Jan-13 16:14:14

I've just remembered that there is a baby at the wedding who is similar age to DS so am becoming convinced mine and pennie's DHs are on the same stag!

KatieLily12 Sat 26-Jan-13 16:20:56

These sleep training posts are making me wistful. Another day with her in my arms but at least she fed. smile

gazelle please don't beat yourself up. Being mum is hard enough and you're doing a great job.

TheDetective Sat 26-Jan-13 16:33:23

I've had the familiar feeling of period pain for the last 2 days started as I dipped one toe in the pool yesterday!!! but no period still. Definitely feel like I'm about to come on any second! Stupid body, either do it or don't! Don't just tease me!

Oh, the swimming was okay, forgot to say. GT I held him under one arm while using the other to climb down the ladder. Was okay.

He was due a feed any time from the start of the session to the end, plus I woke him up when we got there so he had only had about 20 minutes sleep. I changed first while he slept. I then got him ready. We went and sat on a bench near the pool as we were a bit early, and that is where I left the pram. You can keep them in the viewing area and changing room, although they have a room to put them in (someone was supposed to meet me in the changing room to do this but no one came, so did what the other mums did!). He sat bolt upright on my knee, nosing at everything! Then when we got in the pool he gave me his 'wtf do you think you are doing woman' look, personally I felt the pool was too cold for little ones. He kept having little shivers and had blue arms by the end!

He seemed happy enough for the first 10 minutes, until I slipped on the floor and splashed him!! After that he just kept getting grumpy, but easily cheered up with a bit of jigging! I took a swim seat, and he kept alternating between wanting to be in my arms, and in his seat til someone else nicked the bloody seat as I was wanting to get out, so had to wait with tired baby in the pool for them to stop using the bloody thing. We did about 45 mins in the pool. Not sure if I'll take him to one of those sessions again until he is much older. Was basically just a pool with toys chucked in, and nursery rhymes on. Not what I was expecting hmm.

Anyway, i'll give swimming with him another go, at a time where he is fed and slept! As soon as we got out the pool, he fell asleep in my arms just walking back to the lockers! I then ended up having to sit in my wet costume feeding the little sod, as he screamed when I tried to put him down, and I knew he was both starving and tired!!

I think he will enjoy it given the right circumstances!

TheDetective Sat 26-Jan-13 16:37:36

biscuit I could murder a roast dinner right about now. I can taste it. I want one. Bad.

Damn it.

zcos Sat 26-Jan-13 17:04:35

pennie castle is best of both worlds is quite trashy.
Me and dh been watching ep after ep of American office cos they are only 22 mins long.
in other news my dd been up since 8 am! (she was semi snoozing since 6) and didn't sleep til 1 am before that. she normally naps for at least 2 hrs in afternoon so told my bestie to come over and dd was grizzling!

kirrinIsland Sat 26-Jan-13 17:19:54

Hope your DD is ok VQ

I've had the most boring day ever. I really need to start getting out more!

I'm having the same problem as tiger this morning N went for a nap in her Pram for all of 5 minutes. She sometimes drops off in her bounce seat but any attempt for me to put her down awake generally ends in tears (not just hers!) I not going to force it just though - she's only 11 weeks

ValiumQueen Sat 26-Jan-13 17:21:05

DS has taken a bottle! 100mls of aptimil! Feel both happy and sad. Bloody hormones. He took it no trouble at all, but wanted pudding as soon as he as mummy. I can now go out if needed without worrying he will starve.

DD1 is now poorley. Not related to teeth I think. I hope.

Pikz Sat 26-Jan-13 17:30:36

Well done MiniVAliumKing! Good boy!

I have another one here who does fab at night but only likes me or car seat for daytime naps. Need to start work on that. Nighttime cot sleeping seemed more important though.

PennieLane Sat 26-Jan-13 17:40:56

Really Tiger?! Is the groom's name Dave?

Yay for Baby VQ! Well done. It's tough emotionally, but you know that he will be ok if you aren't there. And you can have some much needed rest!

TheDetective Sat 26-Jan-13 17:42:33

Well done J. Understand the mixed feelings, they will go though as you gain your freedom a little!.

I came to post I was bored too. On account of a baby who has been asleep since his last feed. He has been asleep since 3.20. Normally he sleeps up to 90 minutes in the day, but averages 40 minutes, awake for an hour or so, then nap again...

I don't know what to do with myself. If I wasn't with just the boys I'd run off for a bath.

But I can't! Instead I'm resigned to trawling the internet for bargains for DS1's 11th birthday which is in 6 weeks.

PetiteRaleuse Sat 26-Jan-13 17:45:53

Great news VQ

Detective do you want to come round for dinner? I have a roast in the oven. It smells yum. And it's not duck. It's piglet

MissMummy1 Sat 26-Jan-13 17:51:57

Went to tescos to stock up my biscuit tin on stuff for dinner. M fell asleep on the way home so left her snoozing while I cleaned the kitchen AND bathroom, (I am very FLY today with my steam cleaned sparkling sink and sideboard [bwink] ), sat down with a cuppa and above purchased biscuits and she wakes up. Sods law that is! But hey, my bathroom is cleaner than it's been before I had her (DP's bathroom cleaning also not up to scratch...)

VQ glad DD1 seems to be recovering. Can you give her calpol if need be later?

I too could murder a roast. I bought steak in tescos with the idea of recreating a steak in red wine with pasta readymeal I had the other night, but DP's phoned saying he fancies a chinese takeaway. [bhmm] PR you are not sad, or if you are I am too, because I'm delighted this means my kitchen - and in particular sink - will remain clean until at least the morning!!! [bgrin]

blonderthanred Sat 26-Jan-13 17:58:01

Well done J. And VQ. Strange feeling isn't it.

TheDetective Sat 26-Jan-13 18:08:51

I'm on my waaaaaaaaaaaaay PR. I'll bring my own chicken... grin.

PetiteRaleuse Sat 26-Jan-13 18:14:39

And some tomatoes? grin

TheDetective Sat 26-Jan-13 18:17:16

Got any grapes?

Then it's a deal!

TheDetective Sat 26-Jan-13 18:19:08

Fucking hell, DP is stalking me on here. He finished work 17 minutes ago, and already he has text me 'fancy a roast tomorrow?'.

Twat. This is my place. Go start your own thread!

Maybe we should start a Nov 12 Dads thread. I have a few choice titles grin.

kirrinIsland Sat 26-Jan-13 18:20:45

Well done miniVQ

Can I just ask how many of you still have cluster feeders? N is nearly 11 weeks and still does this from about 8 til midnight. Normal? Or should I start stretching her a bit?

PetiteRaleuse Sat 26-Jan-13 18:22:07

Detective I do have grapes which have been transformed into wine

Would that do? We have plenty of glue in case any errant ducks pop by

TheDetective Sat 26-Jan-13 18:22:53

<Digs out passport>

TheDetective Sat 26-Jan-13 18:23:17

3 hours... do I wake?! He is due a feed in the next hour!

ValiumQueen Sat 26-Jan-13 18:25:23

Yes MM I have two on calpol overnight.

A tip for first time mummies - when LO is on calpol and / or Brufen, write down when you give it. I write day, time and dose, then when that time is reached the next day, I cross that previous days meds off. I usually give Brufen with breakfast and dinner if they are eating, and PCM overnight as it can be given on an empty stomach. Probably telling you to suck eggs, but I find it is the only way I can do it, especially if you are sharing care with another. At a glance you can see if they can have another dose as you only have the last 24 hours meds written down. No doubt there is an app for this pass

TheDetective Sat 26-Jan-13 18:30:09

Kardex VQ?! Do you put your initials next to it?! grin

PetiteRaleuse Sat 26-Jan-13 18:32:10

That's really good advice. I also avoid giving nurofen at night or in the evening as for some reason it makes DD1 hyper.

ValiumQueen Sat 26-Jan-13 18:37:34

kirrin normal. She will stretch in her own good time, and you have the 12 week growth spurt on the horizon so you have fat chance now grin at 13 weeks it is getting easier here.

I only plan to give J a bottle once a week at the moment, but it is more for emergencies. I am so very grateful he will take it and I have no guilt about it being formula and not bm. I accept I could not express as well as care for my three kids and have a bit of a rest. I am not superwoman. Plus he refused frozen bm.

I have not had my hair cut since I finished work, and my fringe is down to my top lip. I plan to go to the hairdresser and have a swishy haircut with no schoolgirl fringe for the first time in my life! The buzz cut does not count. I miss my buzz cut. One day I will do it again, when I am slim and toned <<hysterical laughing>>

ValiumQueen Sat 26-Jan-13 18:42:07

detective as a health care professional some habits are hard to break. No I do not sign, but it is colour coded for easy reference.

Also if your child starts bruising like a giraffe, it could be because of the fucking Brufen as it can trigger ITP. Do not immediately assume Leukaemia, even if every healthcare professional around you does. I am not sure I will ever give it to DD1 again, but apparently I can now she is clear.

ValiumQueen Sat 26-Jan-13 18:43:26

Ignore above post it was not the Brufen it was an infection that caused it and the Brufen exacerbated it. Clearly still traumatised blush

ValiumQueen Sat 26-Jan-13 18:44:14

Brufen is a very good medication when used appropriately. Honest!

PetiteRaleuse Sat 26-Jan-13 19:04:15

It is. Except on me sad

GTbaby Sat 26-Jan-13 19:11:44

biscuit I never new this was a biscuit. R u sure it is? Looks like a Afro to me?

Detective ill meet u at airport. PR I'm on my way! With there be Yorkshire puddings?
MrDetective- stalking is no good.

Me , lurk on this thread? Yeah right. Lol couldn't even tho I tried lol det we been in the same threads now for a year! I just looked bk at our conception thread. thanks

ChunkyChicken Sat 26-Jan-13 19:26:27

Probably biscuit/.................. but...

glenda I bought a nice sprung cot mattress from (I think) Best Baby on Amazon. Was £65ish but came really quickly, despite snow.

I didn't get to go out. My friend was feeling too ill. sad I had made up 2x 5oz bottles of defrosted ebm too. sad I did however do some retail therapy at Sainsburys instead having dropped kids at my DM & DF's house. Got a new pair of skinny jeans, a mirror, a storage rack for DD's craft bits plus food. Wasn't quite up to Bluewater, spending time with my bestie & eating Krispy Kremes but I did get a donut hmm

Passmethecrisps Sat 26-Jan-13 19:26:27

What is ITP?

I wrote a review of my feeding app saying it could be improved by adding a medication tracker . . .

Also, my period tracker can be used for tracking shags. It currently thinks I have joined a nunnery.

Had a nice day - went out for a curry to our fav place. Was lovely and p slept the whole time. It is strange though as no matter how much sleep she gets during the day she always gets massively fractious towards bedtime. She seems to want to to go bed at 5 really as if she naps then I have to wake her for bed time. I think we might start shifting her medicines slightly to see if she can go 7 to 7 as she seems to need it.

Ever so slightly hacked off alert. . .
We have had a lunch date next saturday planned with a friend for over a month. MIL called during the week and said that she and FIL were going to come up on the train during the week and which day suited. DH spoke to FIL and said any week day. I spoke to MIL and confirmed that any week day. MIL calls this afternoon and says they have bought tickets for Saturday! DH didn't know what to say so ended up telling her that we already had plans. MIL is mortified and saying that they won't come. They had to cancel last weekend because of the snow and are desperate to see P. of course we will rearrange with friend and she will be fine with it but it's frustrating on a few levels. We don't have many plans so it is annoying to have to cancel one for another.

Anyway, no harm was meant.

ValiumQueen Sat 26-Jan-13 19:28:43

Sorry PR

GT it is a biscuit to have with the brew and apparently it means you do not give a shit as well. On MN anyway. They meed a chocolate emoticon and a hug.

Passmethecrisps Sat 26-Jan-13 19:28:55

Re-reading above - I meant that I wake her for bath time. Waking her for bed time would be silly

ValiumQueen Sat 26-Jan-13 19:38:34

Idiopathic thrombocytopenic purpura. Essentially a problem with the blood cells and clotting. Can be quite nasty but often passes without treatment. Regular reviews with specialist, with blood tests. She wasn't allowed to do much in case she banged herself, especially her head, as she could have bled out. For example today would have been A&E for certain. She is fine and dandy now thank God.

ChunkyChicken Sat 26-Jan-13 19:39:22


I thought the post restriction thing was a joke. Did I miss something??!! blush I'm still catching up, but figure I'll comment as and when, otherwise I'll never catch up...

garden your 'D'H is a knobber. Simples. If it didn't put your DTs at risk, I'd say just pick up your handbag and walk out, leaving him to it. He might suddenly get an idea of just how much you do. However, he would be shit & your DTs would suffer, & its not their fault. Comments like that would make me seriously consider divorce...

ValiumQueen Sat 26-Jan-13 19:40:22

pass I did wonder grin

ITP is triggered by an infection. Nothing specific, just the white cells bashing the virus and they get a bit over enthusiastic and start hitting the other blood cells.

Evilwater Sat 26-Jan-13 19:41:13

I've gone and lost his red book. WTF do I now? angry sad I've looked everywhere for the bugger, grrr......
Can I get a replacement ?

ValiumQueen Sat 26-Jan-13 19:43:21

chunky it was a joke. I think. But some of our regulars are upset as they cannot keep up. None of us want to upset anyone so I suggested having a mark on drivel type comments so those catching up do not waste time on waddle waddle and detectives posts.

ValiumQueen Sat 26-Jan-13 19:47:30

evil do not worry. It is a duplicate of what they have at the surgery. Give it a while then look again, and if still no luck, just ask your HV. Make sure you allow time before next jabs. Chances are you last had it when he had his jabs -can you retrace your steps? Check the bag you had etc? Did you leave it at the surgery? But do not worry. If you could not remember where you left the baby that would be another matter. Do not get upset x

StuntNun Sat 26-Jan-13 19:48:19

Phone the HV on Monday Evil. Could you have left it at a clinic/hospital/GP?

TheDetective Sat 26-Jan-13 19:48:48


ChunkyChicken Sat 26-Jan-13 19:49:14

detective the "missing child" comments etc were lovely & a beautiful sentiment. I wish I felt like that sad I love my children more than anything or anyone, but I feel a bit ground down by it all at the mo. Both children are relatively easy. It's fucking DH that's the problem. He has become/been so self-centered lately. But compared to garden I'm lucky I guess hmm It makes me sad that I can't enjoy my kids as much because I'm so pissed off with DH often. Perhaps I should give up on the housework etc & just spend time with them??!!! sad

TheDetective Sat 26-Jan-13 19:50:13

Evil, it doesn't matter - don't worry. The GP surgery have records of all immunisations and checks. They can issue a new one. Fret not grin.

TheDetective Sat 26-Jan-13 19:57:45

Chunky I think it is the age gap. It helps. A lot. 10 year olds while not easy, are easier than a toddler plus baby! I take my hat off to anyone who does that! I am absolutely dreading it, although if when I have another there will be around 3 1/2 year age gap, and I'm still dreading it. It is a means to an ends. The rewards will come! When they start playing together and plotting mischief. When they have each other for company.

Tell DH to read this thread. Seems to have done mine the world of good hmm. Though it kind of defeats the object of him using his initiative...!

Garden, I'd like to lamp your 'D'H. In the balls. I think you should do it for me. Bad Detective.

I just don't get some peoples attitudes towards doing their fair share at home. I know women like it too, so it isn't just men, and certainly not all men. Self centered is all I can describe it as. Hopefully, it can be drummed out of them though. I am sure he will improve as they get bigger. I know that is no consolation right now though.

ChunkyChicken Sat 26-Jan-13 20:06:26

Thanks detective. He wasn't this bad with DD. He was even better before DD but still, can't have everything I suppose. He does do some HW but seems to have reduced his input in that area & doesn't want to use his initiative when it comes to DC. He keeps forgetting to consider me when making plans & just carries on with his hobby & life regardless. My DM has suggested speaking to my DMIL - she is generally v nice & supportive & would not be impressed. Feel a bit like I'm telling tales but needs must...

Still, my DC are beautiful. And lovely. And funny. So I guess that helps - he contributed good genes grin

blonderthanred Sat 26-Jan-13 20:08:58

I thought biscuitmeant no comment, I had always assumed it was a reference to Gordon Brown famously refusing to tell MN users what his favourite biscuit was in a webchat.

I've never understood why it has a black square on it though since they changed the emoticons.

Thanks for the kind words ladies. He is hard work.

Hasn't done one night feed all week. Didn't offer for me to have the night off last night or tonight. Thank God the girls are relatively easy or I would be out of my mind by now. I am seriously thinking of my options here.

Number of feeds so far this week times two babies = 58. Number he has helped me with = 7. Number of feeds he has done on his own = 0.

Number of showers I have managed this week = 2

TheDetective Sat 26-Jan-13 20:19:09

I had words with DP's mum and sister. Shame the bastard. It works...?!

kirrinIsland Sat 26-Jan-13 20:30:48


I'll look forward to the 12 week spurt then VQ grin. N is pretty easy really, but she does have Velcro tendencies and I am starting to get a bit worn down by not being able to do anything I do seem to remember things getting suddenly easier with DD1 though, so hopefully we're nearly out the other side.

Evilwater Sat 26-Jan-13 20:31:58

Thanks everyone! I can't believe I've lost the bugger! I have to phone the GP on Monday as it had the date and time of his next jabs.
FFS! angry

PetiteRaleuse Sat 26-Jan-13 20:33:19

Shame the bastard might work for some but my MIL once told me that she would ALWAYS take DH's side, even if he killed someone. Which he wouldn't. But she -- is mad-- considers herself an alpha mum.

Awwww garden I feel for you - I have a dh exactly the same - doesn't offer to take turns when we have bad nights, doesn't bath baby, and on the occasional bottle he gives is such a friggin palaver with Dottie ending up stressed that I end up taking over - times that by two and I'd be out the door xxx

Pikz Sat 26-Jan-13 20:45:11

Garden he needs shaking! Seriously.

Makes my DP seem good and that's saying something as he's a lazy toerag.

Why do I feel so exhausted even though we only have two wake ups now? I feel like I don't know what sleep is anymore. I didn't sleep for the last month of pregnancy and clearly have not had a full night since. Roll on sleeping through...when he's 2 or something right?

KatieLily12 Sat 26-Jan-13 20:47:16

Evil- did you leave the red book at clinic perhaps?

Garden- sending warm thoughts your way. I empathise. After week from hell mine just got back from all day tournament and asked what was for dinner.

I need a lesson in MN etiquette I think. Why no kisses?

ValiumQueen Sat 26-Jan-13 20:47:36

You know we all love you detective You are our resident expert remember x

Well the vom fest has commenced. DD2 does vom well. You find her down the opposite end of the bed just looking at it as if to say 'who did that?' DH is on vom duty as I am feeding.

There is something funny going on with the emoticons at the moment. If on an ipad turn it all totally off then on again can often fix it. Probably the same with other gadgets.

Pikz Sat 26-Jan-13 20:50:41

Detective you haven't made me spit tea today yet...

Evilwater Sat 26-Jan-13 20:53:06

I could have, or someone else might have picked up by mistake. I thought something was odd last Monday. The thing is I'm not 100% sure I took it last time.
All I can do is ask.

BigPigLittlePig Sat 26-Jan-13 21:13:56

<backtracks up thread about 200 messages> hmm

Oh and STILL NO POO...

Izzybuzzybuzzybees Sat 26-Jan-13 21:20:21

I've just caught up...again. It's getting too hard to read and post to relevant people.

Hope your daughter is ok vq

J was up a few times last night sad I wish he would sleep through. He is so big, people can't believe the size if him and comment on it a lot. I'm a wee bit concerned but as he is EBF there's not much I can do. I can't exactly reduce a feed!

MissMummy1 Sat 26-Jan-13 21:20:33

BPLP how many days now? We're on day 6. I'm dreading it when it comes... confused

GTbaby Sat 26-Jan-13 21:25:27

I'm gona start MNing the fly way. Set a 15min timer. Read as much as I can. Then stop. wink

Still don't get how that is a biscuit. I think it's the black sq that confuses me too.

What's with no kisses. Well xxxxx to u all my lovely thread girls. Mr det. U been told. Go away. But still make a roast tomorrow smile

ValiumQueen Sat 26-Jan-13 21:26:13

pikz you are still not getting undisturbed sleep. Even though two wake ups is better, it is not solid 8 hour quality sleep. You will always sleep with one ear open now you are a mummy but you will adjust. Plus this is on top of months of disturbed sleep and anxiety too.

Those struggling to keep two kids happy, it is impossible so stop trying. They will cope. It is our job to enable them to be independent individuals anyway. A PFB is called this for a reason. The following children are just as precious, but you cannot be as precious about them.

Just a quick post to say the West Wing watching thread is here for anyone who wants to join us in watching it all from the beginning!


ValiumQueen Sat 26-Jan-13 21:32:31

GT I do not see black squares on biscuits. I think it is only glenda that I see black squares from.

izzy please do not stress about your sons size. We cannot win. If baby is slow at gaining we are criticised and if they are lovely and chubby we worry too. They all even out eventually x

And I for one will continue to kiss x

MadamGazelleIsMyMum Sat 26-Jan-13 21:44:38

VQ hope your DD is better.

garden am so shock at your DP.

GT seems a sensible idea, a cap on time spent catching up, that means no one feels banned from posting smile


On the basis that I need to appreciate my DH more despite his unique ability to piss me off by simply existing at times once DD and DS were asleep I invited him into bed for a shag. He's almost pathetically grateful and soppy.

ChunkyChicken Sat 26-Jan-13 21:51:12

It's like 6th Sense "I see 'black squares'!!" grin LOL But I don't see squares from anyone other than Glenda & sometimes lots of %5643 type stuff, which I assume is due to iPad/iPhone silliness.

I think I mess up the so-called MN etiquette all the time. Txt spk is a no-no rite?

Think I should have permanent biscuits next to my name... That makes sense blonder but I always like to think its a kind of "shut ya cake-hole" ref.

Just call me 'Daisy'. Pumped ~13oz today, in 2 sittings (DS drank only 10oz from the freezer) and it all looks really white, like whole milk, & not that watery like I though bm always looked. Clearly all the biscuit & choc I eat is doing good...

Have the newbies updated the stats? Might help to keep track of who's who? Or we could do a quick summary of who we are, who our babies are etc on here?

Thanks MissL have marked spot.

And thanks VQ. Have had a chat with DH & hope its sunk in and detective if not, will shame him as its clearly working for you smile and think maybe I need to adopt one aspect of the FLY stuff, if not all, as some of it is a bit bollocks 'American' for me; need to let go of my perfectionism. I need to give myself a break & perhaps not do any housework (or the bare minimum) and just enjoy my kids exactly as they are, with their little quirks, & with as little guilt as possible. Afterall, its not done me any harm to have a DSis almost precisely 2yrs younger... smile

izzy echo VQ. You can't over-feed a bf baby. It's not possible.

xxxx all round wink

TheDetective Sat 26-Jan-13 21:51:40

I sang a song to Oscar this afternoon. It was happy birthday.

Happy birthday to you, you look like a poo, just like your daddy, and you smell like one too.

Loving mother that I am grin. He smiled anyway!

Sorry pikz must try harder!!

VQ expert in wittering on, yes indeedy! Why say one word when you can have 10!

TheDetective Sat 26-Jan-13 21:56:16

Izzy I wouldn't worry, people say all kinds just for something to say. Everyone asks me how old mine is, and when I say they look shocked and say oooh isn't he bonny. Every single fucking time confused. Except he is not. They can only see his face in the buggy. So I can only assume he has a big head grin. hmm

He's prob around 11lb, on 25th centile. People are nuts if they think he looks big. He does not! Long yes, but his length is hidden in blankets!

MadamGazelleIsMyMum Sat 26-Jan-13 21:57:23

blonder yes me too re biscuit

BigPigLittlePig Sat 26-Jan-13 21:57:31

Right well there's been too much chat to make any comment about any of it!

Sorry to hear about those with troublesome and stalker dps

LO is another fan of cluster feeding, usually does it for 3 hours in the evening, but it meant that last night she slept for 5 hours until I poked her to check she was breathing

Two name checks...

PR I had to cover little pigs eyes/ears at the mention of cooking a piglet
MM only up to 4 days but have a sense of impending doom

ValiumQueen Sat 26-Jan-13 21:59:27

DD2 sounds like a seal.

The formula has made no difference to DSs chomping tonight. I was hoping to settle him a bit earlier but no.

I am spending too much time on FB looking at the fancy nappies and gasping at the cost. Even cheapies seem to sell for more than they cost new. I think I might get mine listed asap.

ChunkyChicken Sat 26-Jan-13 22:04:38

BPLP & MM We only went from Tues 3am til Fri 4pm but it was EPIC shock DH changed it & got poo on his trousers in the process grin

BigPigLittlePig Sat 26-Jan-13 22:06:55

chunky that doesn't help my fears! She usually goes 3 or 4 times a day...uh oh!

TheDetective Sat 26-Jan-13 22:15:07

I have yet to be graced by a poonami... I don't think I'm missing out somehow!!

kissyfur Sat 26-Jan-13 22:15:20

Thanks for the birthday wishes grin had a lovely day with my little family. Now having a cheeky wine and trying to catch up!

TheDetective Sat 26-Jan-13 22:19:07

Glad you had a lovely day kissy! Happy birthday!

&#127832; .........

Huh?? I haven't posted any biscuits yet?? biscuit looks like jammy dodger on browser but &#127832;on iPhone!!

Oh am I not allowed send xxx's??? or say lol??

Dottie has been sleeping on a pillow in her crib since day 10 and I haven't dared try her without it but tonight I'm feeding her on that pillow so just maybe if I transfer her on the pillow she won't realise and I'll get to sleep at a reasonable hour - what do you think the chances are??

I really really miss the option of going to bed at night whenever I felt tired - I long for an early night for sleep obviously can't be arsed with dtd

Well I'm hopefully signing off for the evening but we'll see

Na night ladies n babies n detectives dp

ValiumQueen Sat 26-Jan-13 22:21:00

24 hours is the longest J has gone and that was bad enough.

He settled at 10 so 30 mins earlier than last night. We shall see what tonight brings. Both girls dosed up. DD1 much better and teeth remain in situ, but DD2 is a poor wee soul.

PetiteRaleuse Sat 26-Jan-13 22:22:07

BPLP sorry grin

was bloody good though.

TooManyDicksOnTheDancefloor Sat 26-Jan-13 22:24:52

izzy, my dd1 was enormous, she was EBF and on the 98th centile. She only fed every 3-4 hours and had really short feeds. She's a normal sized 5 year old now.

BigPigLittlePig Sat 26-Jan-13 22:28:11

PR to be fair have spent the day on a pig farm (oldest friend is a pig farmer) so thoughts of continental piglets were probably the least of her concerns.

Forgot to say earlier to whoever said about pink clothes and somebody not realising their baby was a girl...I had a similar experience but apparently "back in the day" boys wore pink (close to a regal red) and girls wore blue (virgin mary-esque). Don't know how true this is!

Jackz133 Sat 26-Jan-13 22:29:46

Marking place

blonderthanred Sat 26-Jan-13 22:36:27

Quite true BPLP, it was on QI.

NotSoNervous Sat 26-Jan-13 22:39:14

VQ I'm glad J will take a bottle for you, it eases some of the pressure/worry about if something was to unexpectedly come up you know you can leave him and he can have a bottle. I'm also glad that you aren't upset about it being formula , my DD refuses frozen bm <cries at the huge stash I have in the freezer>

izzy don't worry about the size of your DS, you can't over feed a BF baby and he'll grow at his own rate and must be doing well

chunky envy at 13oz

The longest my Dd has been was just over 2 days and when she went she WENT, I've never seen so much shit and everywhere I'm so desperate for her to shit on DP, she's got me a few times. She's been really upset tonight, constantly screaming, ear splitting pains it's awful, she seems to have done this every day since her jabs so gave her some calpol and she eventually quitened down but still was completely happy. I didn't go out in the end so had a glass of wine at home and DP gave a bottle at bed time. I actually quite enjoyed it. First drink in over a year

BigPigLittlePig Sat 26-Jan-13 22:43:03

Gah nervous I tried to give LO some defrosted ebm last night to give my boobs a break during her feeding frenzy and she point blank refused. Does freezing it somehow alter it? Or was she just being awkward? Am going to try again with a bottle soon as don't want her to start refusing them.

TheDetective Sat 26-Jan-13 22:43:23

GT We are the longest serving members of the Nov 12 mums! shock. Seems strange to think I've 'known' some of you for a year...!

I often think about past members. sad One or two in particular.

Oh GT what you said the other day - he isn't predictable in what he takes! I know its a waste, but I prefer he has a little left over, rather than draining the bottle, as then he takes in air! The last ounce is always a struggle to make sure no air gets in! Over the last 24 hours he had 1 x 3oz, 1 x 4 oz, 3 x 5ox 1 x 6oz. He takes roughly the same in over 24 hours, but totally varies! For example last night he took 3oz at his last feed which was 2 hours after his previous feed. Tonight he drained the 6oz, and again had only been about 2-2.5 hours since last feed.

Keeps me on my toes!

daisychain76 Sat 26-Jan-13 23:07:34

I remember posting for 1st time at 6 weeks pregnant, totally stressed that had made the wrong decision by having dc3. Stil had some of that worry right through pregnancy, but now just know it was right and feel so lucky. Even tho don‘t post a huge amount, or anything very interesting l do love this thread, especially as no RL friends have babies, so please keep posting everyone!

Horsey l think l am opposite end of Derbyshire than you, so get less snow, more rain. Have just had thunder and lightening.

YellowWellies Sat 26-Jan-13 23:31:18

biscuit biscuit biscuit biscuit biscuit biscuit biscuit

VQ I agree 13 weeks is a lovely age. BF is now a piece of piss and I'm really enjoying it - is that odd? LO was hilarious tonight cuddling the boobs and giving them his most winning smiles grin

detective 12 week growth spurt was nothing compared to the 6 week one - shame I couldn't fuel it with Mars bars!!! eeeeegad I can't wait for dairy - we're going to try soy next month - fingers crossed if he's OK that means I can have Chinese takeaways and dark chocolate (curse you soy lecithins)

Saw 2 more houses today, big 4 beds, nice but am I a Muppet to be unable to be excited about new houses? I know running costs are much lower they're just m'eh.... hmm

zcos Sat 26-Jan-13 23:34:40

bigpig that's worrying I have always given d ebm from fridge not from freezer but have a couple of bags in there as was trying to build it up. be upset if she won't take it feels a lot of fuss and effort to get what I get. freezing does change it I read its more nutritious if not frozen. did you warm it? or just defrost? when we have given her ebm from fridge not warmed before as read it was ok and she took it... obviously less fuss but also didn't want her to prefer it over fresh.

zcos Sat 26-Jan-13 23:37:18

yellow wellies New houses are meh! I agree no soul. and.they still have lots of problems ... people assume they won't! (I am a property lawyer!)

GTbaby Sat 26-Jan-13 23:38:00

Question for experienced amongst us. When u started your period after pregnancy did they go back to regular cycle? Or not follow a pattern?

NotSoNervous Sat 26-Jan-13 23:41:57

BPLP I was told that when BM has been frozen it can alter the taste a little so my DD just won't have it

YW I'm not a fan of new houses either, they don't feel cosie and homely if that makes sense? To me anyway

zcos Sat 26-Jan-13 23:42:37

re pink for boys ... they also used to be dressed as girls too as they thought that evil spirits etc would take boys but not girls.

zcos Sat 26-Jan-13 23:43:43

think the whole pink blue thing changed cos someone in royalty put their tiny in blue so it started a trend!

zcos Sat 26-Jan-13 23:49:26

angry shock sad angry shock sad shock I don't have biscuit on my app ... my dd would regularly go for 4 days no poop then poonami. worried next one will be in a few days going to visit work on Monday 100 women in my office 80% who have had kids don't want her to cry or poop or anything like that want her to be perfect baby just for an hour whilst she gets passed around ... is that too much to ask!

Izzybuzzybuzzybees Sun 27-Jan-13 00:00:04

Thanks everyone that commented on my worries over DS. I guess I should relax and not be bothered about it. He is approaching the 98th centile and likely to go off the scale. He really is a chunky monkey.

I've come upstairs with him and although he seemed still asleep when I put him in grow bag I thought we would attempt a dream feed. He is currently guzzling away. Never done one so unsure of the results. Guess we will see shortly!

Clarella Sun 27-Jan-13 00:07:22

marking place..... a third of the way through!

GTbaby Sun 27-Jan-13 00:10:19


LO last feed was at 8. hmm He should have woken by now for feeding. I fear he will stay asleep now n just wake mega early.

H just came home. AIBU- to pretend to b asleep so I don't have to talk to him.
He was late from work. So called him a while ago. He did ask
-why I hadn't replied to his txts
-Why do you think?
- oh cos of last night
- where r u?
- on way home
- ok bye.

It annoys me. Cos he will just act like normal n say things like "whats wrong y about u talking to me" Or like a prick n purposely talk to me in front of pil as he knows I won't ignore him in front of them.

Argh. Sry txt and normal speak all mixed up here.

ChunkyChicken Sun 27-Jan-13 00:33:26

notso good job I did get that much too - the greedy chops took 5oz of defrosted EBM in the first bottle and still wanted more and grizzled until I fed him, and then took another 5oz bottle at dinner time. And a fair bit of those bottles were the really thick and creamy milk from the first couple of weeks!! It looked like gold top milk!! Piggy.

Off up the wooden hill to Bedfordshire now. Good ones all round x

GTbaby Sun 27-Jan-13 00:40:59

Chunky u were Also on our conception thread!

Against all my advice. After feeding LO. I let him fall asleep in my arms. He just looked so cute and I was in need of a cuddle. Must really do it more often. Just stop and enjoy the time now he really is growing so fast!

H is downstairs watching tv. If he comes up drunk I don't think ill be able to calm myself down. I even know where the baseball bat is.

** I in no way condone violence. I'm being flippant in my usual gt way.

Omg. I wrote my real name instead of GT there! Just caught myself before posting.

Pikz Sun 27-Jan-13 01:51:50

Chunky I also have a chunk! He is huge and people ask how old...he's doubled in weight since birth and is also ebf fed!

Not so yes frozen EBM has a differing taste. I found easiest to mix with 1oz of fresh from fridge and warm through and they will take it. A whole bottle of frozen they won't.

L just did 5.5 hours... Come on the sleep.

Pikz Sun 27-Jan-13 01:52:29

Sorry chunky... I meant izzy.

TheDetective Sun 27-Jan-13 02:55:41

Dont you just love it when they throw random 2am feeds in? hmm

I was looking forward to at least 5 hours. Oh well.

When I woke, my chest hurt sad stupid chest.

Hope this is a fast feed. Pleeeeease!

KatieLily12 Sun 27-Jan-13 02:56:57

After putting myself through hell & back to express I'm now realising freezing was not a great idea. Balls.

I've actually stopped because my nipples are bruised!?! Has anyone ever had that? I have a blood clotting condition so bruise really easily but holy Moley! LO actually are like a champion the last 24 hours so I thought I wouldn't express but I'm wincing everytime she feeds. She's back to chomping away, singing to boob and smiling up at me. It's the best feeling in the world.

Glad kisses are ok x

GT I'm a little of the mind to enjoy it now too. My mum pointed out today that LO has a great bedtime association as she knows we sleep side by side so of course waits for me. She reckons with time she'll trust I'll be there and to enjoy it now.

Have you avoided the baseball bat?

KatieLily12 Sun 27-Jan-13 02:57:28


kirrinIsland Sun 27-Jan-13 03:03:31

Took bloody ages to settle her into her basket, and now she's awake again - 2 hours later. Yawn. No longer sleep for me tonight then. I can't keep my eyes open.

Checking in ladies smile I missed the last thread all together!

J is 12 weeks on Monday, how the chuff did that happen?! He is around 12lbs now and regularly gets called 'bonny' and MIL is forever congratulating me in making him a little chubster with just breast milk. grin
We're in a co sleeping nightmare at the moment, he's still feeding to sleep in my bed every night, I'm thinking of trying one of the books, contented baby or no cry sleep solution, any recommendations? I think it's best to try something sooner or later!

DP is seriously talking more babies. <gulp> I have agreed to discuss it when J is 2.

I'm getting seen by the coil nurse in Tuesdsy, I'm hoping it doesn't flare up my acne which erupted when I fell pg with J and so far hasn't gone away.
Diet is going well for me and DP, we had our great night for the first time tonight and apart from the ice cream it possibly wasn't worth it, I might not bother next month (apart from indulging in mr Ben and jerrys!).

We had J's jags this week, luckily we got one slight grizzly night but he seems fine apart from that.

zcos Sun 27-Jan-13 03:42:24

my d went down at one of her earliest times 11.30 after being up since 8 and only napping 5.30-8 all day thought I was in for a long spell now but no 3 hrs and v hungry! after what a few others have said I'm going to enjoy and commit this to memory our time cuddling in January rain beating down but cozy inside and feeling like the world consists just me and d.

zcos Sun 27-Jan-13 03:43:56

oh the first 8 is 8am second 8 is 8pm to avoid confusion ... now bdck to d!

TooManyDicksOnTheDancefloor Sun 27-Jan-13 03:56:24

First night feed in a week. It was to be expected though, she had slept all day and hadn't cluster fed.

ValiumQueen Sun 27-Jan-13 03:58:33

J slept from 10 to 3 which is a personal record. He would have self settled I think but as I have been awake all the way through with the girls...

Down at 3.45. Hope he can sleep to morning. I now have a hideous cough and so have both girls. Off to check on them shortly.

Frozen milk can change flavour. Something to do with the fat. My fresh milk tastes really sweet. Wth the girls it stated sweet but with J is was bitter. I do not blame him for refusing it. Boy milk is higher fat apparently. It is because of the milk changing I stopped expressing. I would have prefered to have has a stash to avoid formula, but it was not to be.

I cannot recall who said baby refused bottle in evening - if on a growth spurt baby will as they know they need to be bashing your boobies to increase supply.

YW glad 12 week was not too bad for you. With moving too that would have been a bit much. I have a new house and do not like it. Moving from down south though with the different systems of house purchase we had no option really. It is not our forever home, but is big so I am grateful for it with three kids. Good luck in the hunt. A good time to be a cash buyer I think.

zcos Sun 27-Jan-13 04:20:22

d is down again but not yet out ...tits - re your question of books not sure if you have seen gf book or if there is a different sleep one but cbb is a strict routine for the whole day tells you when to wake when you eat etc unless the whole day is a disaster I wouldn't say it was worth trying. I am not sure bout any form of crying out after someone posted on my question bout 7wk bedtime some research about crying out that said whilst babies do slow.down crying after you have practiced its not because they have learnt but because they have given up... the levels of stress hormone in their blood remains constant. I would love to know what others think as I'm want to consider now what I will do at 12 weeks.
there is some.interesting answers and info.posted on the two questions I raised other is about routine ... prob best to search routine and my user name sorry I can't link don't know how and am on phone app which doesn't have everything anyway!

Pikz Sun 27-Jan-13 05:53:30

Zcos we went with a bedtime routine but in his own room and cot. We couldn't get one working when he was in our room. He now has bath at 7pm, milk at 7.30 and is asleep usually by 8pm. I shush and rock just til he is dozy and then put down with Ewan and he usually self settles within 10 mins. We've been doing this a week now and he's really got it. I think he's been getting far over tired. He wakes usually around 1 and 5 for feeds and sleeps til 8/8.30.

Dixiebell Sun 27-Jan-13 06:15:13

Well Trddy been a star, slept 11-5.30ish. But ds1 woke at 4.40, because his damn toy rabbit fell out of bed. And then had half an hour of hysterics as he wanted to get up. Managed to calm him down, although have heard him singing and chatting to rabbit. But obv Teddy woke before I managed to drop off. And he's been fussing a bit - I think wind sometimes hinders the first feed of the day. So hasn't managed to go back down yet. And anticipating ds1 will seriously want to get up soon. What's happened to my weekend lie-ins? At least I don't want to be getting up even earlier than weekdays!

VQ, feel your pain being up with dd all night.

GTbaby Sun 27-Jan-13 06:27:50

Katie I avoided the bat. He was just watching tv. No drink. But I still pretended to b asleep to avoid confrontation. Or rather me yelling at him.

Tits. I've often mentioned GF contented baby. I don't follow it as I can not get up at 7 to start my day. However I keep its techniques in mind and use when appropriate. Ie wen LO was feeding more at night then day I ensured I feed LO more often during day even if I had to wake him. I try and create sleep associations, bed time is in bedroom not falling asleep downstairs. I basically take the bits I like of different books n mash them together. N it works. Well for me. wink

Could also try pick up put down method. Baby cries. U pick up. As soon as they r settled u put down. U have to b patient with this one. Can take ages. But good if u don't like CC.
I'm a believer in not picking up at the first cry HOWEVER am not a real follower of controlled crying. I'm to much of a wimp. I more listen out for type of cry n leave/ pick up accordingly.

I think the mish mash approach I used has worked for us (I do think it depends on LO) as he is now in his crib blowing bubbles in the dark grin

Right bk to sleep for me.

KatieLily12 Sun 27-Jan-13 06:34:04

tits I really liked the no cry sleep solution. I'm not a fan of CC. Just the name makes me shudder.

zcos you post about enjoying your time was precious. I remember when I was in hospital I used to love the night feeds because it was the only time it was just me and DD

GT glad to hear there was no bloodshed

zcos Sun 27-Jan-13 06:42:41

thanks Katie

and its
easy to.be precious when your in a positive mood though... snow finally gone here and I will be leaving house tommorow grin feel like I have been hibernating looking forward to going out for shopping and visit to my parents dd first other house but am a bit scared too ... how silly is that think I'm on the age of getting agoraphobia.
oh Katielily when did you try no cry or are there tips you can use any age... heard got things not sure what type of programme it is.

zcos Sun 27-Jan-13 06:47:44

oh pikz how old is was your lo when placed in own room feel quite nervous about it doors will need to be shut or dc1 and dc2 (cats) would get in. think I need to ensure monitor works first when I tried last week to put her down with turtle playing she really wouldn't go 7-11 is normally her wide awake time and she constantly cluster feeds!

StuntNun Sun 27-Jan-13 07:10:57

Oh GT forgot to say about periods, I've just finished my third since Christmas Eve! I've made an appointment with the GP since there were only 11 days between the last two. confused

Sophiathesnowfairy Sun 27-Jan-13 07:24:49

yw build your own grin

kirrinIsland Sun 27-Jan-13 07:26:53

Well, that sucked. Longest sleep was an hour and a half - what's that about?

StuntNun Sun 27-Jan-13 07:44:01

Are you due a growth spurt Kirren?

Sophiathesnowfairy Sun 27-Jan-13 07:48:03

izzy I know am late to this discussion but DS1 was a big baby with a massive head, he was born on the 91st centile and never deviated. He s now a tall slim, but not skinny, healthy looking toddler. I took him for his two year check and he is still on the 91st centile!

O is on about 73rd, but was just 1lb less than DS1. So I don't know what that is all about. It's the head.

Anyway what I am trying to say is don't worry.

(At the other end of the scale DD2 was on 25th but you could tell looking at her she was fine, she is just dainty.)

ValiumQueen Sun 27-Jan-13 07:54:32

I am clearly a very bad mummy. I have been known to do a gental version of CC for all three of my children. I think if you have more than one, you sometimes have no option but to.

I hate it when people say that the baby is stressed. That just adds to mother guilt (see above). I believe if the baby needs something they will keep yowling. Letting them learn, not teaching them, to self settle, is not about putting them down the emd of the garden or over the other side of the house, it is getting to know your baby, recognising his sleep cues, giving him some kind of pattern so he can feel safe that his care giver will look after him. Sometimes babies need to be allowed to cy it out if being awake is actually more stressful. As you get to know your baby you will recognise these times.

Last night I had to tend to two vomiting siblings. J woke at six, had been put down at 3.45 so was not hungry given he had a good feed and is 13 weeks old. He cried. He self settled. He is still asleep. I could tell from his cry he was pissed off at being awake. Waking him further and force feeding would not help matters.

Mummy and baby need to be ready for this. It is not easy but so worth it. He is a different baby and now, most times, I put him in the cot and he beams up at me, turns his head away and shuts his eyes. That is not the action of a baby with anxiety.

Parents choose many different approaches to managing sleep, and co-sleeping, while it worked for us for a while, became a risk I was not prepared to take any more.

I have not slept all night yet the two dying swans are bouncing around like nothing happened. I am very tired indeed so apologies if I have been a bit straight in my post. It is, after all, my own opinion and others will differ.

DonnaDoon Sun 27-Jan-13 08:13:33

Ahhh VQ you do great by the sounds of it..we all do what works for us, and we all like you say 'know our own baby', which is why I let dd have a lick of my banana yesterday whoo hoo she is 16 weeks or is it 17 weeks ( chick help me out here I've lots count ). Anyway she was keen so I'm looking forward to weaning soon but not yet.

Pikz Sun 27-Jan-13 08:39:26

No you are not VQ. L whimpers a bit when he self settles and sometimes he has to cry while I clean bottles or warm a feed.

Everyone knows their child and what works for them. If L hadn't settled in his own room I'm sure DP would have done a little CC. I can't do it as I'm a wimp and it makes my boobs hurt!

horseylady Sun 27-Jan-13 08:40:29

tits from what I've gathered from the few books I've read all the routines amounts to same thing. Gf and the baby whisperer all work to times etc. Gf just tells you times exactly, baby whisperer goes in cycles. If you look at them both side by side they're essentially telling you the same thing.

Ds has a hungry cry, he has a tired cry. To be honest that's the only time he really cries. Oh he'll cry tomorrow for his jabs. he sometimes cries if bored.

horseylady Sun 27-Jan-13 08:46:06

No snow!!!!


I'm going riding smile

StuntNun Sun 27-Jan-13 08:57:00

You're quite right of course VQ. I worry that some mums get pressure to let their baby cry it out and are told that you are spoiling them if you cuddle them when they're crying. In reality there are many different sorts of cry, some are an announcement of discontent whereas others mean "I need attention right now." FTMs when your babies are toddlers/older children you quickly learn there is a difference between the "I have a minor injury" cry and the "I need medical attention" cry. When you hear the latter one you start running as a matter of instinct. It's just the same with babies, you respond differently to different types of cry.

PetiteRaleuse Sun 27-Jan-13 09:05:45

Morning everyone. Good night here. DD1 is still asleep so no daytime nap for her today. LO was up at 7, and I've settled down to watch the tennis.

kirrinIsland Sun 27-Jan-13 09:06:34

She's 11 weeks tomorrow stunt so a bit early for a growth spurt, but not impossible?

VQ it sounds like you've done a great job getting J to settle himself, and he's obviously happy doing. It was interesting what younsaid about him being annoyed to be awake as that iscwhat I think about N most nights sometimes. I need to start watching her more closely and being a bit more proactive about her sleeping, rather than just going with it I think.

Enjoy your ride horsey <jealous>

ChunkyChicken Sun 27-Jan-13 09:12:49

This time last week I'd had 4 nights of 6hr sleeps (me) and 7+hrly feeds. Not so this week. I'm hoping its his cold so he'll go back to the longer gaps soon - it was 3hrly feeds last night sad At least they were short & he barely woke. I think once his cold has gone, I'll try the dummy/letting him self-settle (he never gets to the crying stage at night) as he can go longer. But with a cold, I worry he has a sore throat or is thirsty from breathing open-mouthed iyswim.

GT I'd forgotten that! I seem to think there were quite a few ladies on that thread... smile

zcos Sun 27-Jan-13 09:26:15

"vq" I'm sorry I think it was my post which lead to yours sad ... I don't think your a bad mummy was recounting what I have read because I am totally confused I was attempting cc about a week ago for two weeks but know now.I wasn't ready and still very confused.about what I should or shouldn't do especially re sleep I couldn't cope hearing dd cry and.worry I won't get evenings back ever... your post gives me hope that I could try again which was one of the options I mentioned earlier. when did you try the cc from and what did your version entail? I don't know whether any.info on studies could really be accurate you dont know exactly what they do with babies exactly. I know babies are not predictable but do get the feeling that if men were prime care givers there would be more invested.in baby research and they would have cracked the enigma code by mnow!

Passmethecrisps Sun 27-Jan-13 09:38:10


Crying is an emotional topic - why wouldn't it be? I was saying to DH last night that I had surprised myself with the parenting style which seems to be emerging. I think I now know the difference between P's actual crying and grumbling or whining. From very early on DH and I would put P in her basket and lie there watching the clock timing how long she grumbled for. I never let it go to full on crying and it never went past 5 minutes. If t went on past 5 minutes I would go and check on her, speak to her, put my hand on her chest and so on. My very initial response was to feed her as soon as she cried - a few vom incidents sorted that out. I have never read about controlled crying or the pick up/put down method - we just did what seemed to make sense. For example, right now I am sitting next to P who is in her Moses basket. She was very tired an really wanted to sleep but was struggling to. I have held her hand, talked gently and made sure she has her dummy if she wants it. In this time she has whined ad occassionally cried out. She has also smiled and momentarily cried out. She is now asleep.

All of our babies are different. I imagine that some babies woul work themselves up into a frenzy if their mum doesn't pick them up. P actually gets more and more upset if I don't put her down to sleep.

If your heart isn't in something then it won't work for you.

BigPigLittlePig Sun 27-Jan-13 09:42:13

Not a bad night in the pig household – feeds at 2, 4 and 7.30. She would have been in her crib all night too apart from the facr I was too tired lazy to settle her back at 4.

Day 5 of poo watch has begun…

YW I really don’t like new builds either, which is a shame as you can get 95% mortgages on a lot of them so it’s the only way I’ll realistically ever get on the property ladder.

zcos when I give LO ebm I have to warm it to boob temperature otherwise she gags on it hmm But as some kind soul vq pointed out, I may have been experiencing some growth spurt boob bashing!

Pikz Sun 27-Jan-13 09:44:37

Pass you are so right. We have got the hang of night time and when he needs to go down. Now I'm trying to do same with daytime naps. Currently he naps in car/ on us etc right now trying first nap in cot as he was getting all fractious and I realised he's tired.

Passmethecrisps Sun 27-Jan-13 09:48:10

zcos it is a minefield and no matter what method you read about you will find vigorous arguments both for and against. You will find a manner of parenting styles on this group probably at the very ends of spectrum and all the shades of gray in between. Pick out the parts which feel right to you and see if you can implement them. Also, just because it doesn't work this week does not mean in won't next week.

stunt I agree with the crying thing in my limited experience. P rarely properly cries and when she does it is usually total over tiredness or hunger. I find I can cope easily with these cries even if they go on for a while. However, the pain cry is awful and my stress level immediately goes through the roof. Like when my friend was here and p started screaming - every bone in my body just wanted her back to make it better.

TheTiger Sun 27-Jan-13 09:54:30

Not a bad night here. Feeds at 22.30, 02.30 and 06.15. He also woke briefly at 1am and 5am but instead of feeding him straight away I gave him a little cuddle and he went straight back to sleep.

pass I tried to put DS down in his carrycot for his nap before, I could clearly see he was tired. He lay there sucking his dummy and staring at me then started whimpering then worked himself up into a big cry. So I picked him up and settled him then put him back, same thing as before. So I gave up picked him up, he cried for a few mins and is now asleep on me. What would you have done? Should I have let him cry a bit, or kept putting him down? I really want him to start sleeping without being on me.

VQ do not say that! You sound like an excellent mummy, and I am grateful for you sharing how you got your DS to sleep so well. I think as a FTM sleep training seems daunting to me, hence why I want to know how people are doing it. I also think as you have 2 other young children you have learnt lessons and you have been through it all before.

We will all parent differently and as long as our children are happy and loved then that's all that matters.

NotSoNervous Sun 27-Jan-13 10:06:34

Oo thanks pikz ill try adding some fresh to it and see if she'll take that

A good night here for us, down by 10:30 then up at 4 and up at 7 for the day. Because we all had to be up this morning I fed her bed and she decided to projectile vomit her whole feed back up and cover me her and the bed that soon made DP shoot out of bed grin

VQ your not a bad mummy. We all do different things because we're all different people and we have to do what works for us and our babies. CC has worked for you and J and helped you both and made you happier, for others it wouldn't. For me I know the difference in DDs cries and I know when she's fed up, wants picking up or there's a problem and so I respond to each different, I don't let her cry because I'm a wuss and it stresses me out completely but that's what works for us. People say to me oh let her have a good cry and things like oh don't pick her up you'll make a rod for your own back ect ect well it's no ones business but mine if I pick my daughter up or not and if I do make a rod for my own back then that's my problem too isn't it no one else's

The snow has gone!! I can't wait to go for a walk today

TheTiger Sun 27-Jan-13 10:11:25

Oh pennie just saw your post... No the groom is not called Dave, so they are on different stags,haha. When is the wedding? This wedding is march 9th so I need to lose these last few pounds before I buy a nice dress!

PetiteRaleuse Sun 27-Jan-13 10:28:36

I'm for whatever method works. I regret not doing cc or stricter routines with DD1, and will do it with dd2 if necessary. Dd2 is actually very good at self soothing. With DD1 I'm having to go right back to basics, and DH and I never have an evening to ourselves, and never have the bed to ourselves.

Elizadoesdolittle Sun 27-Jan-13 10:32:18

I was on conception thread as well. Although I don't think I posted as much on that one. Took me a while to come out of the lurker stage.

Have had an offer on our house which I'm really pleased about. It's not quite as much as the other buyers offered but only 2k short and they don't have any where to sell so as long as they don't pull out it could actually go quicker then it would have done if the other buyers hasn't pulled out.

I'm going to cook a lamb roast tonight. Not done one for a while. The snow has melted so DH can finally play golf again. It's like the end of the world if he doesn't get to play at least once a week!

E snoozing nicely in her bouncer so I'll take the opportunity to do some expressing.

Passmethecrisps Sun 27-Jan-13 10:39:33

tiger if P ever starts to actually cry when I put her down and the dummy doesn't calm her I might take her out and try again in a bit. If p is upset in her basket and hand on her chest sometimes chills her out. I have no idea if this would work for your LO. I wonder if continuing to try it every time a nap is needed but don't push the issue at one single nap if that makes sense. If he won't settle after a few attempts and you feel uncomfortable then take him out and resolve to try again next nap.

VQ how are the teeth?

horseylady Sun 27-Jan-13 10:57:13

Tiger - I too use the dummy and hand on chest. Only at night. I do need to get better at day time sleeping. He sleeps but often in his sling/bouncy chair/me/ car seat. Tbh I like the flexibility of that, and that he will nap anywhere so I'm not too keen on the whole 'he must nap at this time in this place'. I think that's probably more important when he's going off to nursery.

It works for us and he's happy.

I hate pain crying too sad

MissMummy1 Sun 27-Jan-13 10:59:04

CC is a very emotive subject. Zcos (was it?) I read a study which claimed it increased stress hormones in young babies whilst I was studying psychology. I have also read studies which claim bees can't fly. Basically, do what works for you and your baby. Obviously don't leave them screaming all night in a dark room at the other end of the house (as my MIL kindly suggested scrubs name off babysitting list ) but short periods of leaving them to self settle when they are evidently crying because they're just pissed off won't do them any harm. Last night for instance, M was fed, changed and winded. She was obviously overtired. She worked herself into such a state that DP instinctively picked her up and walked around the house with her. All this served to do was upset her more. 5 minutes in her basket alone and she was spark out. The wee dote is now cuddling my boobs and cooing and smiling at me - she clearly isn't holding a grudge and is most certainly not stressed! smile

PennieLane Sun 27-Jan-13 11:01:29

I can't remember who asked (Kirrin?) but my baby still cluster feeds at 10 weeks. HV said its more to do with weight than age (she's 9.4lbs) and when she's bigger she'll stop. She does sleep through though so I don't mind.

Tiger, would have been funny! Our wedding is also 9th march! I need to lose 10lbs, not sure that will happen! Maybe half that would be ok.

Reading with interest the routines/Cc etc. LO feeds to sleep and at some point we need to stop that if I ever want to be out beyond about 9! We're concentrating on trying to bring forward bedtime at the moment (currently 10.30-7.30, started at 11). But she does need to self settle, she can already do it during night, but gets into a rage if not fed to sleep.

That was long, sorry!

Sophiathesnowfairy Sun 27-Jan-13 11:56:08

IMPORTANT POST ( I know this is unusual for me)

I actually made some notes this morning so I would remember what to write when I got back from church!!

zcos I think everyone has said it we are all really different on here. I have stuck to strict routines with all 4 of my DCs which inevitably has meant they have all gone through some element of crying down. The first 3 have turned out to be secure and happy children so it has worked for me. I find with DC 4 if I do handle him and cuddle him a lot when he is grumbling because he is tired it makes it worse. He is better to goto bed and cry down for 20 mins or so. Because I am routiney it is fairly obvious whether he is crying for sleep of food. Or, indeed, a poonami,

stunt after my first 2 I went back to fairly mundane normal period cycle. After number 3 my cycle went WILD, was all over the place REALLY heavy. I would have to set the alarm at night to get up and tidy up so I didn't have a flooding accident. Was horrible. I couldn't get pregnant because my cycle was all over them place and I ended up having homeopathy which really worked to get my periods back to being regular.

IMPORTANT QUESTION......Oliver will be mortified when he is older if he knew I wrote this. When he goes for a wee his bits don't always stand up, if you know what I mean.confused Infact I have only seen this happen a handful of times whereas DS1 is always getting them. Is this normal? Or should I be concerned that this doesn't happen very often? blush on behalf of Olly!

TheDetective Sun 27-Jan-13 12:38:50

Crap night by our usual standards. Knew I shouldn't have let him sleep for 3 hours yesterday!

Woke at 2.30, 6.30, then up around 8 according to DP. I wouldn't know...!!

I got up at 11.30 and DP said Oscar had only snoozed for 30 minutes all morning. hmm

He is now asleep. grin

I hope he doesn't want to go to bed really early tonight, as that is what happens when he gets up early...

I was liking the 10-6 he had done! Even 10-4 is okay! Pffft!

TheDetective Sun 27-Jan-13 12:40:33

Oh and DP has been treated to several vomiting incidents, and a poonarmi! Our his first! I obviously spoke too soon yesterday grin.

TheDetective Sun 27-Jan-13 12:42:00

I don't know Sophia I don't think I've ever watched either of them having a wee!

Are they meant to do that?!

blonderthanred Sun 27-Jan-13 12:51:10

Sophia L varies, if we take off the nappy and he is 'standing to attention' then we know to keep him firmly covered but we have had an unexpected shower a few times when it has been lying flat. So I think it's normal, in my meagre experience!

ValiumQueen Sun 27-Jan-13 13:02:54

zcos apologies, my post was not aimed at you, but was prompted by what you said. I think MM made a very interesting point about research and agree with others that say you need to find your own way.

You mentioned me having older children, and therefore experience. I do have older children who were great sleepers, then J arrives and turned everything I thought upside down. He was a very clingy baby from birth, and would not even settle in the hospital cribs. He would not accept a dummy, or swaddling, and was in hospital age 5 weeks with bronchiolitis which complicated matters. It took him a long time to get over it.

We tried various methods of co-sleeping, none of which we were happy with, so we tried CC as a last resort. Thankfully it worked, and very quickly, because he and I were both ready.

I read your post towards the end of a dreadful night, and did get quite upset by the mention of the research findings. This was moments after my husband had looked daggers at me for letting J self settle. He felt I should have fed him, but I was confident he would be fine and sleep a bit longer. He did. About three hours longer.

We started CC in the middle of the 12 week growth spurt - I was so tired I could not see this was what it was. I recommend waiting until after. All babies are different, and my big boy seemed to have a strong instinct to be near me. This seems to have passed. He is a different boy now. He was waking every hour to have a snack and sleep with a nipple in his mouth. That was not helping either of us. Last night he did two 5 hour stretches.

I am terrified he will get this germ we all have, but he is much bigger now and better able to cope with things. My temp is not going much below 39 and I feel like I have been run over by a bus.

DD1 still has teeth, but is not well with this bug. DD2 is being a little horror as she is feeling a bit better.

ValiumQueen Sun 27-Jan-13 13:09:49

sophia DS has not weed on me since the first week. I know about big willies, but not little ones, sorry.

Pikz Sun 27-Jan-13 13:18:39

Sophia we are the same as blonder. Varies.

BigPigLittlePig Sun 27-Jan-13 13:43:44

I know about big willies, but not little ones, sorry grin ditto!

Poo watch is (tentatively) over, but nothing epic per se, so am still a little edgy.
Having read all the comments about CC and self-settling etc I tried to let little pig self-settle in the bouncer, but she was having none of it, and she is a baby who really works herself up screaming if you leave her more than a few minutes. Anyway, after a few hours of not settling on me either, I put her in her crib - out. Like a light. Seems my little baby who would only sleep on me is growing up a bit! She needs all the sleep she can get as PILs descending on us shortly and will no doubt play pass the baby...

VQ hope you and your brood start to feel better soon thanks

TheDetective Sun 27-Jan-13 14:21:09

I thought I'd have a go at letting him self settle too, well, is putting him in the swing classed as self settling? I shushed him in my arms for a couple of minutes to check it was sleep he wanted - the eyes rolled. Yup, it was sleep time. So I put him in the swing. 3 minutes later, he was asleep. Yay!

He has self settled in the past, but I enjoy cuddling him to sleep on the days where he isn't overtired and fighting it like mad!. With DS1 around, I don't get much of a look in these days. Baby is constantly stolen from me. No wonder DS1 gets all the beaming smiles, while I just get the cries!

I think it depends how ready he is for a nap whether he self settles. Sometimes he is overtired.

PurplePidjin Sun 27-Jan-13 14:27:49

I spent an hour feeding him, 15 minutes rocking/singing (Bob Marley's Don't Worry) and 10 minutes in the crib. Hysteria sad

Now off swimming hmm

TheDetective Sun 27-Jan-13 14:35:27

I just clicked 'I'm on' and your post was there pidj except you could only see up to the word 'bob'. Naturally, I assumed 'The Builder'.

Damn children corrupting my brain!!

Thought it was a little jolly to send a wee one off to sleep grin.

Mind you if Marley didn't work, maybe you should try The Builder.

Good luck swimming!

StuntNun Sun 27-Jan-13 14:54:58

J has already been introduced to the Octonauts and Dora the Explorer. I don't see any harm in TV so long as it's limited. DS1 isn't interested in TV but DS2 would watch it all day if you let him so has to be restricted to one-hour chunks.

With the crying there is a huge difference between letting your baby cry as part of self-settling and letting your baby cry because you aren't looking after it. When a baby is being neglected (I'm talking about where the mother is an alcoholic for example and unresponsive to her baby) they stop crying because there is no response and they give up. This is where there is the rise in stress hormone (cortisol) and you are likely to get a long-term psychological effect. Neglect is a key factor in the development of narcissistic personality disorder as an example. Obviously this is a totally different scenario from a child in a loving family environment that is being left to cry for five minutes because it will get them over to sleep or because another child needs attention.

There is a FTM on a FB group I'm on whose DP (who already has two kids) has her convinced that you only pick a baby up to feed them or change a nappy and the rest of the time you leave them in their cot and that crying is something you mustn't 'give in' to. She was fighting her maternal instinct to comfort her child, believing it was 'correct' to leave him crying. IMO this is where it becomes damaging to the child. It's a hangover from the Victorians that children should be seen and not heard. It was easier for them though since they could use alcohol and laudenam to keep them quiet!

ChunkyChicken Sun 27-Jan-13 15:08:24

stunt that poor woman & her baby!! I couldn't not cuddle my dc, crying or not. My DM was told she would spoil me by picking me up all the time & not sending me to the nursery sometimes the masses of labels to that effect she stuck all over my cot were still ignored I was days old at the time!! That was only 1979.

kirrinIsland Sun 27-Jan-13 15:53:41

My SIL, who is quite a bit older than me, once described a baby's cry as their "weapon" and told me about how she trained hers to self settle by putting them in their cot and shutting door - only took 3 nights apparently sad

I let DD1 do whatever she did when it came to sleeping, and I paid for it - she was waking every 2 hours til she was 13 months shock I won't be doing that again.

KatieLily12 Sun 27-Jan-13 16:01:29


I wrote a very heartfelt message about CC and the wonderful mums on here. I have learned so much reading through these posts and was sad that anyone would have read any judgement in anything I posted.

The original research on CC was actually conducted on Romanian orphans- quite an extreme control group! It was used to argue against it by advocates of keeping them on you at all times. Most baby trainers forget the biggey expert: you, the mum. I find myself getting irritated by rigid routines but they really do work for some some people.

The No Cry was very interesting to read because it was a halfway house. The sleep information was very helpful and she is a fan of them learning to self sooth with just a little support. As a first time mum I'm crap at the crying thing. I know I need to sleep train and we were going great guns. Then she stopped feeding and everything went to pot. I feel like I'll never get there but have to remind myself she's only just 12 weeks.

KatieLily12 Sun 27-Jan-13 16:03:46

*biggest expert

MissMummy1 Sun 27-Jan-13 16:15:33

As I found whilst studying psychology, and indeed whilst carrying out my own research projects during my education degree, most research can be easily manipulated to suit the researcher. particularly if you're a lazy slattern and leave assignments to the day before they're due blush

ValiumQueen Sun 27-Jan-13 16:47:23

katie I had not even seen your post :-)

BLW makes me shudder :-0

I still feel like crap. What os the point of having flu vaccine if you still get flu? I guess it is milder. I pity the poor buggers who get the real deal.

I have today slept when J slept. Or tried to. For the first time since his birth. DH is not impressed. Not looking forward to tonight.

TheDetective Sun 27-Jan-13 16:57:53

Okay, I would like to add an opinion. I did not sleep train DS1. He sleeps like a fucking dream however. I can't remember exact time frames, but I know he was a lazy bugger sleeping 8pm-9am before 6 months. Self settling.

I know it was before then because I was back at college. And I used to have to wake him 2 days a week to go to the childminder.

I didn't read any books telling me how to sleep train, and I didn't have the internet. I just went with the flow. Yeah I got stuff wrong probably, but I didn't have any stress over what I was doing, and so far, he isn't a crack addict, I reckon I've done okay!

Just another opinion! I do like hearing about the various methods though! And if I had a particularly bad sleeper, I'd damn well try anything going.

I'm not good with strict routine. I like lazy routine. grin

I don't want that to sound all sanctimonious or anything, what I'm saying is, you don't necessarily have to do anything for them to develop 'good' sleeping habits.

TheDetective Sun 27-Jan-13 16:58:49

I on the other hand can't wait to BLW grin as I hated the whole puree thing. Horses for courses innit VQ grin.

This is why I feckin' love this thread!!


I' not sure what ccis about - is it going into them after 1 min, then 2, then 3 etc and are you meant to talk to them or not?? Forgive my ignorance

I also have no idea about no cry - what is the jist of that??

I would never judge anyone's parenting style in these fraught early days - what ever works or whatever you believe go with - as long as the child is warm, fed, clean and loved it can sleep in a drawer!!! Though I do start wearing judges pants when I see a 3 yr old with a bottle of juice or trying to talk with a dummy in <hides behind sofa in case someone throes buns>

With my other 2 dc they both 11-7 from 6 weeks, ds was ff, dd1 was bf for 3 weeks I think then gradually introduced ff for ease of going out etc...

I'm not sure what age they started self settling<crap mother emoticon> but it wasn't an issue as I was a sahm for both so they just fell into my routine as and when

With dots she does have a basic routine around school runs etc.. And maybe I'm making a big deal over something that will fall into place when I start uni and she goes to the child minder.

I should shut the fuck up and realise that 8/10 nights she sleeps through and feeding has got so much easier and just enjoy my time cuddling her to sleep as I might not get many chances come march!!!

I heart the kiddie are store in lakeside - could've spent a fortune but as its not payday until weds I spent £7 on a flasky bottle warmer!!!

horseylady Sun 27-Jan-13 17:10:33

Vq - blw makes you shudder? What's blw? Weaning?

I wholeheartedly agree with mm. You can pretty much take anything out if research. You need to look at the numbers, the control group the method and the actual stats. I've just decided to follow my instincts.

He's fast asleep on my bad shoulder. But looks so comfy!!!

Ride was fab. I suggest everyone finds a horse and has a bloody good blast!!!

TheDetective Sun 27-Jan-13 17:12:52

Have any of your babies shown absolute terror in anything --apart from your friend passme lol! yet?!

I was winding sellotape round my hand to defluff the playmat earlier, and each of the 3 times I wound it round, Oscar let out proper terrified screaming, the same scream he let out when DP shouted after dropping a full bottle of lemonade on his ingrown toenail foot. So I knew it was a scared scream!

Is it wrong that I laughed?! I told him not to be scared, and it's just sellotape grin and showed him it. He wasn't convinced though!

StuntNun Sun 27-Jan-13 17:16:21

I think it's great to hear about all the different techniques. As adults we all have different preferences for sleep. I for one can't sleep in at the weekend, I wake up at the same time every day, so as a baby I would probably have been ideal for the Gina Ford-style routines. The key is to find what works best for you and your child and if what you're currently doing isn't working then there are all these other methods you can try. My SIL co-slept with her DS until he was four but she didn't have any trouble getting him into his own room when he started school, despite what the 'rod for your own back' brigade claim. I have firm ideas for how I plan to sleep-train and wean J but I'll be on here like a shot for advice when if things don't work out as planned.

PurplePidjin Sun 27-Jan-13 17:21:36

Det, it's the only song i can remember all the words to!!

I've worked for years with teens with SN and have seen first hand the repercussions of poor attachment, so can't bring myself to do any kind of CIO at all until he's older. It doesn't seem to work anyway, just makes him hysterical. I firmly believe that behaviour is communication, therefore if a baby is crying then they're trying to tell you something. As a mum, it's up to me what that is - in VQ's case its "leave me alone because I'm overstimulated", in my and R's case it's "i need a cuddle, where are you mummy?". Neither would work for the other person because we are individuals responding to our families' needs.

Swimming was ace, he managed 25 minutes and probably would've gone longer but his hands were blue! I'm on the hunt for a cheap secondhand wetsuit now, going to go weekly with my friend who's a swimming teacher grin

PurplePidjin Sun 27-Jan-13 17:23:57

PS by older i mean 6 months, not in a few years wink

PetiteRaleuse Sun 27-Jan-13 17:29:28

envy horsey I would love to go horse riding again. Damn back. You know how I broke my back? Trotting round an indoor school on a pony. Skittish pony but had ridden him before. I wasn't concentrating as I was chatting to my instructor. We were warming up before my lesson. A tractor started up outside, and the pony started playing up. I lost my balance and actually chose to let myself fall rather than trying to pull myself back up into the saddle - the floor wascloser. And I bloody broke my back. The stupidest riding accident I ever had, and I had lots in the almost 20 years I rode. Maybe I'll ride again but it would be a big risk for the back.

DD1 is an excellent sleeper and has slept through since just under three months. The problem is getting her to sleep, and it is proving impossible to get her to sleep in her own bed. There is no way I woukd co-sleep again. Last night I was woken up by her kicking me several times. When I was pregnant she actually headbutted me twice in her sleep. The first time she broke my nose and the second time she gave me a black eye. That was just after we moved and the neighbours all assumed that DH hit me.

PetiteRaleuse Sun 27-Jan-13 17:33:15

Detective LO screamed when I dropped her, and I think it was part pain but more fear. It was different to the pain scream she does when she has jabs or blood taken. Though it could be because it was just more painful. She has a scared face when I jiggle her too much. DD1 loved being bounced on my knee and lifted into the air, but LO doesn't seem to like it as much.

TheDetective Sun 27-Jan-13 17:45:14

PR You are extremely accident prone!! I think you need some cotton wool, for wrapping oneself in!!

PetiteRaleuse Sun 27-Jan-13 17:49:29

Can it be bubble wrap? Much more fun to pop when I get bored.

MissMummy1 Sun 27-Jan-13 17:56:22

Slummy mummy is now in her pyjamas. I've been vommed on and outfit changed 4 times today! Miraculously she's missed herself each time hmm

TheDetective Sun 27-Jan-13 18:01:51

Go for it!

BigPigLittlePig Sun 27-Jan-13 18:29:47

I'm always amazed by how different each baby is from one another, even when they're newborn.

pr the head-butting/black eye is the exact slightly extreme reason why I don't want to co-sleep. My dsd is a right wriggler and we made a point of not letting her in our bed at night else she would have been the only one who slept. And that's why I got really pissed off a bit annoyed when the lady at boob group told me not to wish my childs life away and just accept co-sleeping.

PILs weren't too bad at playing pass-the-baby today, but LO had just settled for a nap and they insisted on lifting and therefore waking, her for a cuddle. So I now have one fractious overstimulated baby who isn't quite sure what she wants sad

ValiumQueen Sun 27-Jan-13 18:45:53

DD2 and DS have jumped out of their skin when daddy burps. Big tears, and mummy did laugh.

horsey blw is baby led weaning I.e giving them proper food instead of going down the purée line. Food is fun until age 1. I always have images of babies chewing on a steak or dialling dominoes. Puréed food worked for my girls, and I love doing it. I cannot abide mess, even though to look at my house you would disagree. I have to be careful not to wipe my babies mouths so much they get sore. Agree, horses for courses! There is no right or wrong way.

DH looks as me like I am a fraudster, an inconvenience not pulling my weight. I am sure this is not what he really thinks, but this is how I feel he sees me sad

KatieLily12 Sun 27-Jan-13 19:09:56

Bloody Nora BigPig that woman at boob group was a but much eh?

Well after refusing to nap LO gave in & we both just woke up. Feck. This could be interesting tonight.....

Clearly my routine is in place and I'm super mum. Ahem.

Serious face:
I need hand holding for tomorrow's trip to see DP's father and step mother. Delights I can look forward to are him trying to grab the baby the second I take her out the sling- even sometimes when I'm trying to breast feed (cue mother bear moment), bad mouthing my DP to the baby, telling me he NEVER sees her and making me feel like shit for her lack of weight gain/ even considering giving her a bottle.

I am dreading it. I hate him but am going for my DPs sake.

PetiteRaleuse Sun 27-Jan-13 19:13:28

I'n hold your hand Katie. It's when I hear things like that I am glad that all our living relatives are at least 900km away ! Good luck.

PetiteRaleuse Sun 27-Jan-13 19:15:29

All dead relatives too actually.

Sophiathesnowfairy Sun 27-Jan-13 19:15:31

Does anyone listen to the Archers?

Do you want to tell Vicky to join our quiche?

The bits I heard it's a good portrayal of a mother struggling with breast feeding, wanting to do the best for her baby and feeling the guilt.

BigPigLittlePig Sun 27-Jan-13 19:16:36

I'll hold your other hand katie. Relatives/friends/do-gooders like that are all idiots pricks - just smile and nod as appropriate, whilst swearing and cursing like a trooper inside. I do this frequently at work there's some right nobbers at times And we'll all make a brew tomorrow and sit down and read your rant smile

Sophiathesnowfairy Sun 27-Jan-13 19:19:31

horsey haven't ridden since before DS1 so since 2009. Loved it. Went for a walk in Windsor Great Park yesterday and there was a group have a blast down the long walk towards Windsor Castle. Was so envy. Will take it back up again when we move to NI. Really miss it.

PetiteRaleuse Sun 27-Jan-13 19:23:31

envy . Those of you who are still annoyed at me for having good nights can just talk about horses if you want your revenge. Sometimes I go hang out in the tackroom on here. It's torture.

PetiteRaleuse Sun 27-Jan-13 19:24:51

That said I do know of the most fabulous riding holiday place in France, if ever any of you are interested. Kids can go too but not sure from what age.

Passmethecrisps Sun 27-Jan-13 19:35:23

Another sweaty mit here katie. Could you use the reflux as an excuse for limited holding? We have - reflux babies are easy to overstimulated which then exacerbates the problem, they need careful handing to prevent an attack blah blah blah. It's all true but you could ham it up a bit. They sound pretty notawesome through.

VQ I was going to ask if you fancied a catch up in the salubrious Debenhams but it sounds like a wine bar would suit better. I am not sure I would even grace his attitude with words.

We have had a long boring day here. P has been pretty whiny for some reason (bang on time for a wonder week vcos!) and hasn't known what to do with herself. It has been raining all day so we've been stuck in. DH wanted to watch a DVD which was fine but it kept waking p up from her naps meaning that she was even more tetchy than she might have previously been. Having a surround sound system was never going to be a good idea with a baby napping in the room.

Argh!! She is in her basket mooing and trying to sit having been sound asleep at the end of her post-bath feed.

TheDetective Sun 27-Jan-13 19:35:48

Oh fuck VQ you just shattered my expectations. I can not abide food mess dirty hands and faces. blush

Ds1 had a bib til he was well over 3. And I took babywipes out everywhere til he was in school.

And I'd take his top off at meal times!

So, blw isn't going to work, is it?! confused

TheDetective Sun 27-Jan-13 19:41:26

Pass I've got another one who thinks it's perfectly acceptable to sit up. At 9 weeks. He loves being nosy. And will rock trying to sit up. It's funny watching a tiny one doing it isn't it?!

He's like a solid pole! Standing and looking around! He even managed to roll himself on his side last night...

So, when do they stop being newborns then?!

Passmethecrisps Sun 27-Jan-13 19:42:20


I was bitten on the head once by a horse. Granted, I didn't break my back like petite but it was sore!

Strangely, I grew up in a place where girls fell into two categories - the madly, passionately horsey girls who would spend hours perfecting drawing horses back legs and cover their pencil cases with drawings of horses heads and those who were passionately anti-horse! Looking back I think it was kind of class related. I like horses; I like all animals to be honest apart from maggots but who likes maggots? but at school I was anti-horse. How weird.

Oh, maybe not biscuit. P has had a dry, bumpy rash on her cheeks for a couple of weeks and 2 days ago it got so dry it was starting to bleed. I have rubbed lansinoh in a couple of times a day for the last two days as the dryness is almost completely gone! Good old nipple cream

PetiteRaleuse Sun 27-Jan-13 19:42:26

You can mix blw (finger foods) with puree. IE. You can give them non messy or easy to clean up food like toast or large pasta shapes with no sauce. Or sliced ham. I did it like that with dd1. I hate the blw concept for the reasons I put in my rant several threads ago. But in reality I do a mix of purees and hand held food. DD1 is an excellent eater now and hasn't been harmed by eating puree.

Over here we wean at 17 weeks up to 22 weeks just with very basic allergen relatively free purees of fruit and veg. Apple, pear, courgette, carrot etc. Not potato, or citrs, or banana or lots of things actually . That's in 3 weeks for me. I'm going to leave it a little while though. The tasting doesn't do them any harm but I want my LO to stay new born just a little longer smile

TheDetective Sun 27-Jan-13 19:43:52

And why does he prefer the cold plastic changing mat, to the lovely soft play mat?

Passmethecrisps Sun 27-Jan-13 19:46:21

Bye bye newborn detective! Is it not officially at 3 months?

Personally, I think noone will find a baby more terrified than p was of a lovely lady in her fifties desperate for grandchildren.

horseylady Sun 27-Jan-13 19:46:33

Yeah I think I'm going to see what happens with weaning lol!!

Petite my worst accients have been doing the most simple things. Well a couple were bloody stupid (4ft fence out hunting my lovely pony let me go into it!!) but my worst by far was doing two tiny jumps on a 20m circle. I remember nothing, which I think is why I'm ok about jumping still!! Apparently my pony was doing the exercise then somersaulted and I got damaged. I lost a good two hours memory, probably a good half day is very hazy and I dislocated my jaw. Had concussion for 10days and you know what? I was discharged within 4 hours and went back to work after 30 hours of the accident. I went to my gp 5 days later as I was still exhausted, it hurt to eat etc etc (I was still riding!!) and he wrote to the hospital complaining about the care I'd received. Apparently I should have had 48 hours minimum observation, ct scan etc etc. Anyway, I lived!!

TheDetective Sun 27-Jan-13 19:46:33

Sounds sensible PR.

I think I was going to do a bit of a mix now I think about it. Certainly breakfast was going to be purée.

PetiteRaleuse Sun 27-Jan-13 19:47:31

I don't really consider anything over 3 months to be newborn. That's when they actively start to communicate with proper definite bollockings and you really think they are trying to say something. They are then babies, and remain so until they can walk properly. When tgey become toddlers. And they're toddlers until they walk without waddling or flat feet. That's how I see it. Have often thought about starting a thread on here to see what people's cut offs are.

TheDetective Sun 27-Jan-13 19:49:50

3 months was in my head too! Sounds like we have similar definitions!

Anyone still using cotton wool for nappy changes?

PetiteRaleuse Sun 27-Jan-13 19:50:59

I know someone who shattered both ankles falling from her horse. Landed on her feet. On crutches for life but she's still riding.

GTbaby Sun 27-Jan-13 19:51:09

Det can u do finger food that's not messy? Lmao. What a stupid thing to say. Think I will do a combination of finger foods. Carrots, broccoli etc. n puree as well.

Nothing to report today. Bit boring. ... Better have some dinner while LO is sleeping

PetiteRaleuse Sun 27-Jan-13 19:51:39

Used wipes from birth <lazy>

TheDetective Sun 27-Jan-13 19:54:49

I found cotton wool cheaper blush and I don't wipe for a wet nappy! Just let the air dry out. He gets a thorough wash with his 2/3 poo nappies a day plus bath most evenings now!

KatieLily12 Sun 27-Jan-13 19:57:56

Ooooo am I allowed to rant?

Can we play 'things he always says' bingo?
'DP isn't very good is he?'
'You don't want to put her on the bottle'
'Her weight is really bad isn't it?'
'I never get cuddles'
'I will feed her cottage cheese, I like that'
'It gets worse and worse'
'You're bringing her up in a bubble'

And so on.....

Good news though, partner has given me full permission to kick off! (Rubs hands with glee)

PurplePidjin Sun 27-Jan-13 20:00:47

R has been asleep since about 5:30! Got home from swimming, quick feed, zonk grin i must go in the morning next time, though, i doubt we'll get much sleep tonight as his preferred sleepy time has been 9 for the last few weeks hmm

For weaning, I'll probably puree what dp and i eat then give chunks of food for snacks - fruit, veg, toast etc. Cornmeal porridge or weetabix for breakfast smile

GTbaby Sun 27-Jan-13 20:01:40

I was fully intending to use cotton wool. However in hospital at 3am when I did my first poo nappy change. I did one wipe with a cotton pad n thanked god I had a packet of wipes. N never looked back.
However [ touch wood] I think if he had nappy rash I prob would have gone bk to wool n water.

KatieLily12 Sun 27-Jan-13 20:02:05

det I use reusables. It's the only Eco bit as she refuses reusable nappies near her bum (rolls eyes). I use wipes when I'm out or too lazy to wash reusables

Pikz Sun 27-Jan-13 20:02:15

Am in a stinking mood with DP. So much so can't be arsed to write it all down.

Might just go have a shower and a cry.

KatieLily12 Sun 27-Jan-13 20:04:18

Hugs pikz I've been feeling quite similar about DP till he gave me permission to stand up to his dad it's horrible. Hoping you're ok love

fruitpastilles Sun 27-Jan-13 20:08:27

Does anyone else find it hard to cut LO's nails? I really struggle to do it without chopping half of her finger off, bad mummy!!
If anyone has any tips they would be much appreciated!

PurplePidjin Sun 27-Jan-13 20:10:43

Cottage cheese, Katie? Wtf? envy<- vom face

PetiteRaleuse Sun 27-Jan-13 20:13:52

Fruit you can nibble them.

But I use nail clippers. Will never forget using baby nail scissors and cutting the end of DD1's finger. It literally pissed blood, but she didn't flinch.

biscuit DD1 has found a hilarious but very vulgar lego youtube clip. She's not 2 yet. Is it not too soon to start childproofing her youtube access. If that is even possible.

fruitpastilles Sun 27-Jan-13 20:26:46

Thanks PR I'll try biting them, I use clippers now, that's what I chopped her finger off with, oops! She didn't cry either, it didn't seem to bother her in the slightest, I on the other hand nearly had such a guilt for days after hmm

Sophiathesnowfairy Sun 27-Jan-13 20:34:53

O will be my newborn forever. grin

biscuit horse riding horror story, I came off in the road once and broke my wrist pushing the bone up my arm. Had to have a general to sort out the mess but they couldn't do that by the time I to to hosp so was left broke over night on sedatives and a bit of morph if I recall correctly.

Ironically it was the first time I'd hacked out in my high vis sensible jacket. Right after a F fabulous gallop round a field.k

blonderthanred Sun 27-Jan-13 20:39:50

I struggle with nails too fruit. At first I was able to peel them but can't now they're not so soft. Tried clippers when he was feeding and nicked his finger. He was not happy.

PetiteRaleuse Sun 27-Jan-13 20:42:25

Ouch Sophia that sounds painful.

KatieLily12 Sun 27-Jan-13 20:58:13

Nails are a nightmare. I have to try every few days with a stealth attack. Used to try clipping when BF but she's got wise to me. Same foes for biting.

fruitpastilles Sun 27-Jan-13 20:59:46

I always sneak up on dd when she's asleep to try and do hers

Sophiathesnowfairy Sun 27-Jan-13 21:01:53

I don't seem to be able to tear them or bite them. Nails that is. I resorted to scissors this evening.

pr was. Was 9 years ago Now and still plays me up if I am run down r very tried in particular. I don't know f your bak is the same?

horseylady Sun 27-Jan-13 21:10:52

Whoops Sophia!! I think I've been relatively lucky!! I've had two falls on the road. Both times my pony slipped onto her side. Once she was being an idiot and fell the other both her and my friends pony just slid over right onto their sides. It was horrid! I just remember hearing my friend shout see her pony go down then the next second we were as well. Must have been ice?!

I broke my arm at 10, hairline fracture on my coxix, several cracked ribs, broken nose and cheek, my dislocated jaw and three concussions. Bloody horses!! I'd have rather not had any!!

PetiteRaleuse Sun 27-Jan-13 21:12:47

Yep. My back is actually a good weather forecaster smile

BigPigLittlePig Sun 27-Jan-13 21:13:01

I nibble LOs fingernails. Have avoided her toes thus far but they are getting a bit long and keep scratching me and have NO CLUE how to sort them out. Clearly can't bite them as she'll boot me in the face, but equally they seem far too small to use clippers. Confusing <has visions of baby with Lynx advert style toenails>

We still use cotton wool for changes detective as wipes seem to make her bottom sore, which is a shame since dh went a bit mad buying wipes in a 3-for-1 offer some months back.

Finally attempted to dtd, which was fine. Only slightly marred by dh singing wobble wobble wobble in a made up tune. Which my brain converted to wobble wobble wobble...til the very next day. I should never ever have googled that song after all the chat. Never.

pikz sorry you're feeling crap thanks

GTbaby Sun 27-Jan-13 21:17:08

I have baby nail clippers. I now try do then when he is proper zonked out in deep sleep.

LO was asleep for an hour. N then screamed all of a sudden. Like proper blood curdle scream. Heart attack time. Ran upstairs. All seemed ok. Nothin fallen on him. Arms/ legs not