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November 2012 - By 'eck we can talk

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StuntNun Mon 21-Jan-13 12:47:27
PetiteRaleuse Mon 21-Jan-13 13:35:17

We can indeed. Marking place.

ValiumQueen Mon 21-Jan-13 13:53:40

<<squats, and leaves>>

PurplePidjin Mon 21-Jan-13 13:57:07

I'll put my comment here then...

BigPig, with dp in hospital for an indefinite stay (thankfully only a week in the end) and only able to visit for 2 hours a day because R got grumpy in the evenings, I did pop him in the sling and get on with it. The nurses thought it was fab!

MadamGazelleIsMyMum Mon 21-Jan-13 13:58:00

<waves at empty thread>

TooManyDicksOnTheDancefloor Mon 21-Jan-13 14:13:17

Marking place grin

ChunkyChicken Mon 21-Jan-13 14:42:42

So very hungry. 3 custard cream & 2 half burnt & slightly soggy because our oven is shit small banana muffins do not a breakfast & lunch make.

pikz Mon 21-Jan-13 15:04:46

Waves a pooooonarmi covered arm

BigPigLittlePig Mon 21-Jan-13 16:28:40

PP as LO was early, I had worked all day on the day she was born. Being too lazy to finish all my jobs, I had left a thankfully small number of undelegatable jobs for after the weekend. Before we went home from labour ward I had to pop up to my ward to do said jobs. Needless to say, lo I attracted quite the audience of elderly lady patients, who had been chatting about my bump and its contents for some time!

PennieLane Mon 21-Jan-13 16:38:49

Marking spot.

Marking place

daisychain76 Mon 21-Jan-13 17:24:13

Marking place. bigpig sorry if l‘ve missed it, but how early was your LO?

ValiumQueen Mon 21-Jan-13 17:50:17

BP that is commitment for you! Make sure you claim it as time owing! I would not have done that.

blonderthanred Mon 21-Jan-13 18:00:10

Hello new thread...

Kyzordz Mon 21-Jan-13 18:21:51

Marking place and hoping to catch up with end of last bleddy thread before the day is out!

GTbaby Mon 21-Jan-13 18:46:27

grin

BigPigLittlePig Mon 21-Jan-13 18:56:39

daisy she was 5 weeks early. Was going to work up til 38 weeks so thought I had lots of time left blush

NotSoNervous Mon 21-Jan-13 19:06:25

Marks place <<waves>>

daisychain76 Mon 21-Jan-13 19:47:22

Aw, l bet that was a shock then BP!

PetiteRaleuse Mon 21-Jan-13 20:04:28

Early bed for me. DH is doing the evening shift. I am knackered after DD1's naughtiness all afternoon and early evening. She's normally very good, but today she found all my buttons and pushed them, repeatedly. Can't believe just three weeks ago she was on oxygen in hospital. Kids get better sooo fast. She has also put back on the 2 kg she lost.

MissMummy1 Mon 21-Jan-13 20:31:03

I just exploded custard in the microwave shock ! Dammit, I must really not ignore the diet thread...

ValiumQueen Mon 21-Jan-13 20:35:47

izzy very impressed indeed! I do not think you can over feed a bf baby. If he were FF, then he could possibly be seen as a bit piggy. DD2 was vast! She was 10lb 3 born, and remained a fattie, but is now on 50th percentile. They all balance out. I would rather have a chunkier baby than have the pressure of having one that does not gain.

blonder that is an encouraging weight gain. Are you feeling happier about things? I seem to recall he was a bit bunged up following the introduction of a top up. About the bedside cot - it was just a regular cot attached to the bed. Perhaps if I had got a proper one it would have been better for me.

PR sorry, I meant to ask how you were. I empathise with the troublesome older sibling. Mine has been such a rascal today too. Funny thing is, when she drives me to distraction, I think of your DD and how poorly she was and how much you missed her smile

DS just inhaled some milk and screamed the house down once he started breathing again. I did the blowing on his face, which worked. Poor little chap. DH came running into the nursery looking ever so worried.

I say nursery. It resembles the picture of GT s nursery on FB - the before picture - except the cot is assembled.

Definitely growth spurt here, now I can see the wood for the trees.

GTbaby Mon 21-Jan-13 20:59:09

Aww chunky. What a lovely post to end the last thread on thanks

Izzybuzzybuzzybees Mon 21-Jan-13 21:06:23

I am a bit concerned about the weight but I've been told many times like you say vq you can't overfeed a BF baby although I sometimes wonder! He doesn't seem to feed excessively so I guess its ok. HV no concerns either. The only problem is growing out of clothes so bloody quickly!!!

BigPigLittlePig Mon 21-Jan-13 21:08:27

LO has finally nodded off after being awake for 4 hours. I was looking for these sleep cues I keep reading about, and even got as far as her dozing off in her bouncer until the hoover handle bit fell over onto the wooden floor angry. That was that. Cue much hysterical overtired screaming.

daisy shock is one word for it! vq sadly won't get the time back but it's taught me a bloody good lesson to not be a lazy sod

DonnaDoon Mon 21-Jan-13 21:14:38

Hello everyone..marking place...AGAIN. I love reading all your posts daily..even if I've not got much to say myself.

Kyzordz Mon 21-Jan-13 21:18:16

Sounds like you've had a barrel of laughs pr! I bet they all have days like that though, all mini persons I know of are/were quite capable of being menaces!

izzy and I thought my LO was a big chap lol! Not quite on par with yours!! The way I see it though is if they've a little extra, they can afford to lose it when ill. Not encouraging overweight babies at all, just that it seems better to perhaps be a touch over rather than under iyswim.

VQ it's scary stuff isn't it? I'm lying here listening to LO breathe and feel I'm back to the mess I was when he was very small and I couldn't sleep in case something happened to him. Logic is telling me he was wide awake and choked on water, not asleep and struggling for no reason, but my head is pounding and I feel edgy since earlier. I'm glad J is ok, it seems to scare the life out of them, the poor mites!

Thankyou rowing for your comment on the previous thread, I did see it but the thread ran out.

Plan on waking LO up at 11pm at the latest for a last feed because I'd rather not wake at silly o clock again! DP has left for work, literally just, and Eric is wide awake now. Bugger.

GTbaby Mon 21-Jan-13 21:23:04

Ok. Feel a little more chilled out.

So AIBU ? FYI I'm not H last night said its better for us to decorate nursery when we come bk from India. We don't go for 5 weeks. There is nothing else more urgent that needs doing ATM. And I don't want to wait 10 weeks! He has already been putting it off since LO was born.

If we paint now. LO can carry on sleeping with us until paint smell fades.
If we paint after India LO will be too big for crib so we will have to move cotbed into our room. Leaving little space.
He wants to set up cotbed. Get LO sleeping in there now. But I think then disrupting him after India will cause us problems. I feel like once he is moved into his room we stick with it.

H reasoning. Pil will still be in India so won't interfere. Comments like why r u changing the curtains. But pil know we plan to paint. N we have had no comments about that. So y not just go ahead with that part? So the hard part is done.

Ps H has form on this. I moved in over 2 years ago and still haven't redecorated our bedroom as promised before I moved in. Grr.

He was being a dick this morning. But I broke n got in bed sobbing so he quietly took LO away.
Then again, being a prick , about LO crying N I walked out of the room. Told him I was having a shower n he could deal with LO however he wanted. Felt bad for LO hmm but figured TOUGH I need a shower I can b selfish for once.

Ok feed time shock

TheDetective Mon 21-Jan-13 21:28:21

eBay is shit. All that work for £23 then paypal and eBay take a good old chunk of it. As my favourite saying goes... Fuck that shit!!

Kyzordz Mon 21-Jan-13 21:31:04

Sounds like you might aswell get the decorating done now gt surely moving cotbed about room to room n rushing to do it after India is more work n hassle than necessary?

Sophiathesnowfairy Mon 21-Jan-13 21:35:49

Sorry you have had a bad day pr enjoy your downtime.

daisychain76 Mon 21-Jan-13 21:42:16

Does sound sensible to decorate first. GT. If my. dh is dragging his feet l tell him l am organising someone to come in andd do it. He hates the thought of that and gets in with it!

I am on about 10th night of trying to put H down to sleep at 7/7.30. Which means sitting feeding him til 9.30/10 in our bedroom. l have TV on rreally quietly to stop me going insane but lights low, switch TV off andd Ewan on when l put him in cot. He has bath, story with dcs and in grobag. What else can l do??? He us 17 weeks, 10 corrected, so surely he doesn‘t need so much cluster feeding. l really want my evenings back!

Evilwater Mon 21-Jan-13 21:42:46

Well, we can talk!
I live near Plymouth, if anyone's for a meet up. I also have a car.

LO is sleeping in his own room, in his own cot, and slept through the night OMG!!!! My sister helped with bath time last night and it was so much better. He only screamed half the time he normally does grin.

Went to a baby club, and he boldly well slept through that too! Shame so many babies, he would have loved to show off.

Evil

Passmethecrisps Mon 21-Jan-13 21:43:36

Is it normal for baby wee to smell like beef crisps?

YellowWellies Mon 21-Jan-13 21:45:48

That ranks as the most random sentence I've seen typed on here pass! smile

Sophiathesnowfairy Mon 21-Jan-13 21:47:41

gt I agree with kyz however you need to decide if it is worth arguing over? It may be. But it might not be worth the hassle as you are the one who will end up getting stressed out about it. Obviously if you need to put the cot bed up and it doesn't go through doors, which most don't I don't think, then you could just stress to H, calmly, that he will have to put it up, take it down and put it up again and wouldn't it just be easier for him to sort out the room and be done with it.

I walked, in the snow, 40 mins each way, with double buggy and bulging changing bag, to mums and toddlers today. Hardly anyone else turned up which was nice actually.

My right leg might fall off though.

kirrin and someone else who was thinking about the Mirena, in desperation I started a thread in Health/ family planning, begging for positive experienes. I got loads of responses and feel better about it. Have a look. I will try to link.

Sophiathesnowfairy Mon 21-Jan-13 21:49:52

passi will check when I do the 10pm nappy changehmm

Passmethecrisps Mon 21-Jan-13 21:53:22

grin but it's true. P's pee smells like beef crisps.

rowingdowntheriver Mon 21-Jan-13 21:56:58

Another thread?! Already?! Will be back at some ridiculous time to chat!

kissyfur Mon 21-Jan-13 22:08:44

Caught up on last thread, now gonna start on this one..,

Good news about your DS blonder smile

finally got somewhere with getting some proper treadment for LOs reflux today, saw a lovely doctor who prescribed domperidone and ranitidine. LO had to be weighed for the dosage to be worked out, she's 13.5lb at 9 weeks, my little chunk grin

I've a good mind to complain about the doctor we saw last time who said any other meds than gaviscon had to be prescribed by a specialist! Glad I went back for a second opinion

pikz Mon 21-Jan-13 22:14:09

Now intrigued about beef crisps.

Bedtime for me. See you at the first feed.

On the mirena, I had a good experience apart from the weight gain and if I didn't want another in the next couple of years I would have one again. Weight gain manageable just harder work.

In that vain doc wants me on cezette mini pill...anyone else on it?

Sophiathesnowfairy Mon 21-Jan-13 22:15:22

Right pass I'm going in for a sniff...........

ChunkyChicken Mon 21-Jan-13 22:21:02

Trying to decide what to do tomorrow. Car completely covered in snow, so will be a PITA to dig out with the 2DC around and I'm on my own. Also the snow shovel and salt etc are no doubt in the garage at the end of the garden, so its all a big palaver. But there is nothing to do in (easy) walking distance from my house. I could return DS's too big cot mattress and somehow walk it around to the post office and maybe take dd to the library. Desperately need to get out but it is such a hassle.... Grr.

GT thank you - didn't realise it was the last post. He is such a smiley, happy content baby. I am blessed. Dd was the same - chilled and happy to be cuddled by anyone!!
Don't get stressed about the room. Does your DH want to get LO in his own room before you go to India? Surely its easier to decorate with no furniture in it? But I like daisy's suggestion smile

Kyzordz Mon 21-Jan-13 22:21:51

LOL sophia!! Have odd image of you with a face full of soggy nappy! Not that I know what you look like but still!

I'll have a sniff too, waiting for LO to wake, he's farting like a trooper but nothing else just yet!

TheDetective Mon 21-Jan-13 22:22:02

I farted and it made me almost cry. In pain, nothing else!! Seriously. It felt what I can only imagine being rammed up the arse with a cattle prod might feel like.

Sick of it.

Whinge a lot, sorry! Still, on the bright side, today I did the school run in the snow. Travelled 7 miles. Only 25 kids made it in. I thought
I was great going to all that effort. Ds1 hated me grin. I believe his teacher gave him extra maths sheets to work on mwhahaha!!

My mum was the only head in the county to open the school today! Crazy woman was out at 7.30 digging a path to the school!

Also, I left Oscar with DP for the school run and I was gone for a good 90 minutes. When I left they were asleep. When I got home they were awake and Oscar was feeding. Now. This means that the fucking bastard DOES wake up when he cries. I'm not having that he doesn't!! He clearly did when I wasn't bloody there to do it! Oh and to make me feel even better, DP did the feed at 5am, and spent 2 hours feeding followed by begging Oscar to sleep haha! I felt not one ounce of guilt as I lay there pretending to be asleep. grin

You've been busy I see in my absence today! Will endeavour to catch up properly tomorrow! It's jabs day though so not holding out much hope! And DP is in work so it's all down to me!!

ChunkyChicken Mon 21-Jan-13 22:22:38

Oh and excellent news blonder glad the weight is going in the right direction.

ValiumQueen Mon 21-Jan-13 22:28:42

pass did you do a pg test? Morning sickness and now strange smells?

I am back on my correct side of the bed now cot is gone. If I hear J cry DH may well end up with a nipple in his gob before I realise. I think he is hoping so.

NotSoNervous Mon 21-Jan-13 22:29:52

Does anyone feed there LOs to sleep?

PennieLane Mon 21-Jan-13 22:30:35

That's brilliant blonder! Glad all the expressing/top ups worked!

VQ, I think having one bottle definitely helps. Well done on dismantling, fingers crossed for a good night for you soon!thanks

I've just started on Cezette today as rec by GP, will let you know how I find it. Wanted the coil but surgery doesn't do it and CBA with the hassle of arranging it. Will see how pill goes.

ValiumQueen Mon 21-Jan-13 22:33:20

Detective how many items for that amount, and how much money did you end up with? Sorry, just being nosy. Sorry about your arse. Perhaps a bit of bum sex would help? Loosen things up a bit?

TheDetective Mon 21-Jan-13 22:35:05

I had cerazette before had Oscar. Fab contraception. Just like the implant! I never wanted sex. Ever!!

I need to ovulate to feel like a normal human! Hormones don't treat me well!

I wish they did, it would be soooooooo much easier then!!

YellowWellies Mon 21-Jan-13 22:36:13

Great news kissy reflux has really opened my eyes to how so many (male' late middle aged / elderly) docs know jack sh*t about baby health and care even less about their pain sad many seem very misogynistic dismissing the condition as the figment of silly womens' imaginations. Grrrr makes me so cross!

It sounds like you're onto a good combo there tho if BF you might find that all domperidone does is create lots more poo and a starving baby ( it flushes stomach contents through quicker which can be useful if FF as formula can linger for hours in the stomach) - a day or so on it and you'll know if its helping or hindering.

If that combo isn't working try ranitidine on its own then go for omeperazole and / or diet eliminations. Good luck hon - once you get on the right meds you'll have your baby back to their cute little self within days. It is amazingly quick and wonderfully heartening to see them bounce back.

Now you're on ranitidine thankfully it'll be easier to get omeperazole and to generally be taken more seriously by docs.

ValiumQueen Mon 21-Jan-13 22:36:23

lane thank you.

nervous yes. Or at least I am trying to stop doing so. Worked fine with the girls. Fed them to sleep, popped in cot, woken to smiles the next morning. Easy. Not so with the one with a penis.

Evilwater Mon 21-Jan-13 22:39:02

Detective- glad to hear your DP is bucking up.

Yellow willies welcome back!

Gt they only way LO room got painted was he paid a painter. I was getting very big and it was the only holiday I had and I started to paint. P didn't like that, so I said "are you going to do it?" He didn't but paid a painter. Much easier and hassle free, and he did a much better job then i could ever do. Apparently I cheated P out of his money. he wants me to pay for LO stuff at the mo. the bastard.

Boiler man came today, a valve has gone in a pump. He's not sure if he can get the bit, so it might be a new pump! P did his usual trick of taking charge.

Evil

TheDetective Mon 21-Jan-13 22:40:23

I'll consider bum sex. Not with DP. I'll find a smaller one for that grin.

Erm, one bundle of 2 babygrows, 2 top/bottoms and bibs. Most of that was bnwt. One bundle of 2 leggings and matching tshirt. 2 bundles of 3 babygrows (the next ones that come in packs of 3), then some individual outfits mostly next. And a pair of bootees. Some of the outfits were a bloody bargain! Went for 99p and they had been worn once or not at all! And I've been very careful anal about washing them to make sure they stay in perfect condition! I've never managed to get a current season next outfit for 99 bloody p grrrr!!

TheDetective Mon 21-Jan-13 22:43:00

Put it this way, I sent 10 parcels today. I spent about 5-6 hours washing, ironing, taking pics, listing and revising them a million times as I kept getting it wrong as it was so confusing packaging and going to post office.

YellowWellies Mon 21-Jan-13 22:43:42

grin VQ 'bum sex' titter smile oooooh I've missed you ladies cheering me up during our house move! New rented house is fab but tiny - we've started house hunting - I can't wait for more spaaaaaaaace. On the plus side DH has just got a v good pay rise so much so I nearly fell over when I saw how much the computer claims the bank would lend us! shock

Evilwater Mon 21-Jan-13 22:45:16

I'm on the cerazette pills, I want to come off them, or change them. I got no sex drive at all, and I feel cold all the time. I've also put on a ton of weight despite trying to lose it.
I need to see the drs.

Evi l

BigPigLittlePig Mon 21-Jan-13 22:45:30

Pikz I was on cerezette for a few years - worked well for me other than causing a few spots but thats more manageable than the hormonal witch I was on the combined pill and after a few months of irregular but light bleeds I had no periods for the duration grin I need to go back on it but no point as can't put LO down for long enough to have even a quick grope let alone dtd.

LO tricked me earlier, wasn't asleep at all but had merely stopped sucking. She has continued feeding ever since. Have retreated to bed with laptop.

evil I would be keen for a meet up, am in Taunton so not sure how far you are (geography not my strong point and CBA to google it as too much effort one handed - sorry)

pass no crisp aromas here!

TheDetective Mon 21-Jan-13 22:46:27

I did the nursery. Easier. For him and me! It's not his forte...! I've done loads of painting over the last 11 years. He has done none!

Yellow willies... I think you should change your name to that wink!

Evilwater Mon 21-Jan-13 22:46:59

Yellow awesome on the money! Pleas send us links to the houses you like so I can sit and use my judgey pants. wink

Evil

Kyzordz Mon 21-Jan-13 22:48:00

First night alone, wee everywhere!!! Eek! Not thinking it smells like crisps though!

TheDetective Mon 21-Jan-13 22:48:10

I love a bit of house porn!!!

TheDetective Mon 21-Jan-13 22:49:46

Pass is really letting the crisps get to her grin

For what it's worth sometimes I've smelled strong urine that's been on a nappy for a few hours and I can kinda see what you mean! It does have a distinctive smell!

Evilwater Mon 21-Jan-13 22:50:31

Big, sounds good. Do you have a car? Could we meet half way?
Evil

BigPigLittlePig Mon 21-Jan-13 22:50:59

I spent many happy hours partaking in house porn whilst pregnant, culminating in our possibly foolish house move 5 days before LO was born.

MissMummy1 Mon 21-Jan-13 22:52:13

Evil I am shocked and appauled. You were looking for a reason to leave the bastard him, resenting his child is it. The only thing that has saved my DP from some of his arsey moments is the fact he absolutely dotes on DD (and he quickly realises when he's being a twat to me!) Seriously lovely, lots of hugs to you - I can't imagine what a horrible situation you are in. sad thanks xxx

Woohoo on payrise YW - DP has been offered a payrise too (although not of epically jaw dropping proportions and he's haggling for a much bigger increase before agreeing to take on management of bigger boat) but enough to ease my crappy MA worries (slightly!)

BigPigLittlePig Mon 21-Jan-13 22:52:37

Evil I do have a car - where is halfway? blush

Evilwater Mon 21-Jan-13 22:55:25

Mm1 - he's better than he used to be. He is making an effort, and that shows that he wants to be with us. It will be a slow road, and a very fecking long one. wink

Big- half way would be Exeter.

BigPigLittlePig Mon 21-Jan-13 22:57:05

There's someone else who's in Exeter, is it madam?

WHY WON'T MY BABY GO TO SLEEP?????

Evilwater Mon 21-Jan-13 22:59:12

Big- fed, clean nappy, over tired, lonely, and wind. Are my top reason why LO won't sleep.

Evil

BigPigLittlePig Mon 21-Jan-13 23:01:01

It must be overtiredness as she's been awake so long, and it's none of the others. Am at a loss what to do though, as she's swaddled, on my chest, in the dark. At least she's stopped screaming for now

Evilwater Mon 21-Jan-13 23:05:02

I feel for you BIG.
Night all.

Evil

kirrinIsland Mon 21-Jan-13 23:09:10

I saw your thread last night Sophia - I feel better about it, I think I'll give it a go and see how I get on.

I am very much suffering from cabin fever. I am full of cold and poor DD1 looks like Rudolph! So we haven't left the house in a couple of days. I can't wait for the snow to go either.

If N follows her normal pattern then night will be a bad one - she seems to alternate?! And DP is out early tomorrow so I'll have to get up with DD1 which is usually pretty early.

nervous N feeds to sleep. It's not a deliberate thing on my part, I'm not worrying about it yet. DD1 did the same and she learnt to self settle soon enough.

BigPigLittlePig Mon 21-Jan-13 23:17:20

12 minutes of this and she's in her cot asleep.

Do I need to save my pennies and get a Ewen??!

Kyzordz Mon 21-Jan-13 23:29:14

Right, he's in bed again now. Took 4oz (usually has 8) and is still fast asleep and won't take more. He did a wee when I changed his bum, got me, him, everything. Slept through entire change of clothes etc. so have given up! Clearly he doesn't want this last bottle?! He won't give me any wind either but I've been trying for ages now and nothing!

I should be grateful for the sleep and not panic about the wind * repeats *

Elizadoesdolittle Mon 21-Jan-13 23:36:29

Spent three and a half hours at a&e tonight as DD1 stacked it into a chair whilst running manically just before bed time. DH was upstairs with her so I didn't see it but I heard all the commotion. She has quite a deep cut on her eye but only needed those paper stitches so could have been a lot worse. She was very brave but I'm knackered now.

blonder fabulous news on the weight gain. Congratulations. Hope he keeps it up.

ChunkyChicken Mon 21-Jan-13 23:39:10

Sometimes DS feeds to sleep nervous but its not deliberate. He woke on transfer tonight but self settled. DD used to do the same. She grew out of falling asleep on the boob iirc.

Feeling a bit blue. Trying to add some details to DS's baby book & updated DD's too. (Bought him the same as her as I liked the book so much.) It made me a bit sad & nostalgic to think of all the little quirks that DS has now will be forgotten entirely in no time at all.sad It does make me appreciate them both a bit more though & try to focus on the here & now and enjoy it for what it is.

evil your P never ceases to amaze. Con him out of money!!! It takes 2 to make a baby.

horsey I loved my yr off with DD. I didn't want to go back to work. This tine however, I feel like I've lost myself entirely & I'd love a bit of me time. I think its partly the contrast between DH carrying on as before, hobbies & all, this time & me having 2 to deal with, whereas DD was born outside of the hockey season, so DH was around more. Just planning to leave DH to it on Sat, and hopefully actually get out childless for the first time since 19/10 on Sat, makes me feel a bit better which is very little to do with the thought of Krispy Kremes whilst we're out.

YW will try to get that book. Wish DH would get a pay rise. He had an interview for a well-deserved promotion last Monday, so who knows??!

BPLP think babies eventually grow out of the white noise thing, so do the cheap app/you tube option for now & see if you need anything else later on!!

ChunkyChicken Mon 21-Jan-13 23:43:17

Eliza poor DD (& you)!! They do love the manic stuff before bed don't they....

Meant to add, dream feeding now so off to land of nod soon. New breastshield for pump arrived today, so have that ready to go in case of a Jordan boob situation. Night all, sweet dreams or just plain bloody sleep all round.

GTbaby Tue 22-Jan-13 00:57:37

I think this argument is deeper then painting LO room. The whole living in someone else's house thing n it not feeling like my home. But I could bore u with that side of my life forever. So I will spare u blush just fed up.

ValiumQueen Tue 22-Jan-13 02:07:23

Three hours sleep to 1.30. Fed for 15 mins and asleep. Woken by wind. Waiting for him to settle.

DH thinks Ewan scares him on waking. Must admit it would scare the shit out of me.

evil loving Yellow willies. Quite apt considering the Jaundice.

ValiumQueen Tue 22-Jan-13 02:17:49

Eventually settled 2.15.

Glad it is quiet on here.

Hope you are asleep GT

TheDetective Tue 22-Jan-13 03:11:25

Fuck. The baby is broke. Can someone give me the returns address?

Last feed at 930. We all went to bed as soon as he settled. Thank fuck.

Coz he woke at 130. Wtf is all that about? He's not done that before.... I was expecting til at least 4. Anyway. Pacified him for an hour. Now feeding. I hope it's not going to be one of those nights. I was really tired when I came to bed...

Thechick Tue 22-Jan-13 03:22:57

nervous I feed little one to sleep. He's also self settled at times as well.
I'm one who isn't looking forward to going back to work. It won't be until September but it feels like time is going so quickly already.
We will be going on holiday. My cousin is getting married in Poland during the summer. We are in discussions about how we are going get there, whether flying or having a bit of a road trip. Ds1 will still be in school so we are a bit limited with time.
I'm going to say something and I really hope it's not too controversial. I think a lot of you ladies are being a little bit too expectant of your little ones. If you have to swear at your baby, it shows that you are pretty stressed. They are all so young and this first year will be gone before you know it. They will do what they need to do when they need to do it. Yes, as a parent we do need to guide them in the right direction, and will have to for a long time yet. They haven't read the baby books. It will all work out okay, we just need to relax a little and enjoy them for who and what they are. I'm not saying it won't ever be hard, especially those with young dc's and unsupportive dp's but all the hard stuff will end, and them new hard stuff will start.
Going to attempt a transfer. Wish me luck.

CandyPop Tue 22-Jan-13 03:26:09

Hello not so new but already 4 pages in thread.

Don't know why LO is still pooing at night hmm had to do a change on either side of the feed just now! BUT as a first, we put her back in the cot awake and she just gone and self settled and gone back at sleep after some arm flagging !

Hope you get some sleep detective

Oh and welcome back yw smile

StuntNun Tue 22-Jan-13 04:04:01

That's great news about the weight gain Blonder. I'm sure you're much happier now.

How are things going tonight VQ??Lots of sleep? <Hopeful emoticon>

Nervous I feed J to sleep all the time but then he's having so many feeds a day (11-12) that feeding sessions and naps run together anyway.

Right transfer time. Maybe J will stay asleep until my alarm goes off in 2.5 hours? Not very likely but I can hope he'll skip the 5 a.m. feed today can't I?

ValiumQueen Tue 22-Jan-13 04:44:49

stunt a bit more than you by the sound of it. J slept to 4.10 so a three hour stretch and a 2 hour stretch of actual sleep so far. I am hopeful for a quick feed and quicker settle as he keeps falling asleep on me. I want him to have more than a nibble.

chick a lot of what you say is true, but in relation to the swearing, it is important to consider who is swearing, and what their personal thoughts are on it, ie where swearing stands in their vocabulary. For some it is common place, for others it is only used under duress.

Swearing at a baby is never good, and I was horrified that I did so. It reflected my state of mind, and I acted upon it to ensure my baby, and I, was safe. Parenting is extremely stressful at times, and swearing is for some a safety valve, a sign that there is something wrong.

Some of us if we are honest will have had thoughts of harming their babies, or themselves, or both at times of extreme stress, often in the small hours. Thoughts are one thing, and very different to risk of, or actual acts of harm.

Thankfully there will always be someone on MN who has been there and understands this. Thankfully this is a safe place that we can say things that we possibly would not even tell our partners.

It is possible to be in a very dark place following childbirth and in the early months when combined with extreme sleep depravation too. The baby will often get blamed for this.

I hated my first child. Proper hate and blame. I feel guilty to this day, but I was not well. I cannot even bring myself to type even on here what thoughts I had, but I thank God I did not act on them. Being a mother was all I have ever wanted, and I had to wait until I was 37 to have my first, whose name means to hope and to wish.

Thankfully babies do not understand words, but they will react to the emotions of mummy as they do not need language for that. I read the 'go the fuck to sleep' book and was slightly disgusted at the language, but it is in jest. I do however think that the sentiments behind it are very very real. It is fucking hard work!

Anyway J is asleep so I must try and get some more too.

StuntNun Tue 22-Jan-13 04:56:55

Bah, didn't even get an hour. What a hungry little boy he is.

ValiumQueen Tue 22-Jan-13 05:09:32

stunt you always sound so serene!

J is fighting sleep. He is almost settled. I am hoping the schools are shut so I do not need to go out. I am keeping DD2 off nursery as it is a fair drive and I would not want to get stuck with three kids. Just not worth it IMO. Even getting to school 10 mins away on foot was challenging.

Catbag Tue 22-Jan-13 05:19:25

<<crawls in and plants flag so can find you all... crawls out again>>

Thechick Tue 22-Jan-13 05:33:06

VQ I appreciate your honesty. Im sure what you have written has probably helped a few women on this thread know they aren't alone.

Clarella Tue 22-Jan-13 06:51:45

Nov 2012 threads, blink and you miss em!

marking place.

odd behaviour going on here. slept for while day yesterday after being sooo difficult and feeding constantly previous eve. growth spurt hopefully? 6 weeks yesterday.

also can reflux get worse/ develop at this time?

Clarella Tue 22-Jan-13 06:52:44

evil - def get to drs, all that sounds v like thyroid symptoms

Sophiathesnowfairy Tue 22-Jan-13 06:56:24

detective is he 8 weeks perchance? Loads of the Novemeber Babies seem to go into a crazy 8 week zone!

PetiteRaleuse Tue 22-Jan-13 06:58:25

Morning all. I love morning feed. She's so snuffly and eager. DD1 was very sweet this morning before she went to creche. I hope she is in a better mood today. VQ every time I start to rise to the bait I remember what it was like when she was in hospital. And I am pleased that she is here to bollock iyswim.

My bread has arrived. And I did an online shop yesterday and forgot to order strawberry jam

pikz Tue 22-Jan-13 07:10:34

Pretty good night here in cotsville. We got him down by 9.45. Woke at 1.50, 3 and 6.50. I think the 3am was to have a poo otherwise he'd have done 5 hours.

CandyPop Tue 22-Jan-13 07:27:18

thechick It's not so much we expect too much from LO we are aware that at this stage they are what they are and best way of dealing with them is going with the flow . However there were a few times when we were so exhausted, we cant think clearly and it's 3 in the morning,, she's fussing and everything we do doesn't soothe her.. Like vq said, its not so much a reflection of our unrealistic expectations of LO but more of our state of mind. Thank god on the few occasions that this has happened with me or dh we know we are at breaking point and so we put the baby down and let the OH see to her while we take time out. I admittedly think at times, why did we do this again? Maybe we should have waited for another couple of years. Babies are bloody hard work and I don't think anyone can prepare us for it, However it's the smiles and coos, and the serene look they have when napping on us that reminds us how lucky we are and how wonderful she is. Like all mothers I think I have the most beautiful baby in the world smile

CandyPop Tue 22-Jan-13 07:36:39

On the going back to work front, I miss my colleagues and the banter and the general ritual of getting up and going to work. However I am now really dreading the thought of going back and leaving LO. I'm in finance and my job is very demanding. Often enough , a week out of a month I stay very late. I know that I can't be doing that once I go back which means I won't be able to do my job properly sad I will give it ago but I think I may have to give it up and find something more 9-5. It's sad as its taking all my life to get to this stage and I feel I will have to give it up. All those years of studying and now swapping it for baby sick and poonami explosions !!

pikz Tue 22-Jan-13 07:54:10

Candy I feel exactly the same about work. I worked 60 hour weeks. I can't do that now so I dread going back to do a half arsed job.

I miss work and the buzz and adult convos. I love my little boy to pieces and want to be with him though. It's just realising that my career will take a back seat for a whilst until I'm through the early stages. But I want to be a hands on mum so that is the choice i suppose.

It's just weird as my job was such a huge part of who I am.

PetiteRaleuse Tue 22-Jan-13 08:02:34

I have moments when it all gets too much. It's rarer and rarer now that LO is sleeping through (that really does make a huge difference to well being) but it still happens. Yesterday afternoon for example both kids were screaming and I didn't know why. When it gets too much I have a rant. I either email my thoughts to DH at work, or phone my mum, or wait til DH gets back and he'll say 'go' and I'll rant. If anyone saw my emails to him during the day they'd worry, but I really write it to get it out of my system. Once I have ranted, 'i feel like my tolerance levels have been reset.

I don't think we expect too much of our children. I think we expect too much of ourselves. Most people have realistic ideas of how awful babies can be, as it is constantly rammed down our throats by media and culture. However this is countered by there being so any schools of thought on how to do things. Parenting has become a market. So you will always always find someone or read something to tell you you are doing it wrong. We are taught, or you are in the UK, to mistrust your instinct. How many of you came on here worrying about weigh ins those first few weeks? How many of you have come on here feeling like you are failing for feeding, birthing, breathing in a different way to how society expects you to?

In the past we would have been surrounded by family, friends. We would have come from bigger families so would already have a good idea of what children are like. It takes a village to raise a child etc... Now we are on our own with books, internet forums and the Daily sodding Mail (as an example of a media source that likes to make women feel bad about every decision they make). Becoming a mother is now a lonely experience. Nt saying I'd like to go back, just saying that what has replaced the support network women had in the past has created more problems. We have this group, and it's great, but hop over to some of the feeding threads on MN, or a thread about co-sleeping or controlled crying. You will always find someone who sets out to belittle whoever decides to do something she doesn't agree with. Which, most of the time, we can ignore. But when you've had three months straight with no more than two hours sleep at a stretch, or when you are beating yourslef up about not enjoying breastfeeding you will fix on the one person who will drag you down.

These people reinforce our disappointments in ourselves, which were already created by this bizarre society we now live in, and just make things worse. No-one can be expected to function well on no sleep. No-one can be expected to function well with a wrecked fanjo. But we are now expected to just get on with it. It is one way in which the lot of women has got worse over the years, not better.

PetiteRaleuse Tue 22-Jan-13 08:03:28

You see what I mean by a rant?

Catbag Tue 22-Jan-13 08:07:01

Well said petite, you have expressed beautifully exactly how I feel about being a mother. Spot on. Now I have to put firework in the pants of my DS so he gets out of bed. The joys of motherhood hmm

nervous I feed babylaughalot to sleep. Never intended to its just how she drops off most of the time.

Speaking of which she fed at 9.15 last night and dozed off in my arms for what I assumed would be 5-10 mins (based on every other day since she arrived). 2 hrs 45 mins she slept for! And she only woke because I had to get up as my bum was numb and my arm had gone to sleep under her and I'd ended up watching What Happens In Kavos !

So tonight's aim is to to get her down for bed at 9 rather than midnight which has been her time of choice. Any bets on how we'll do?!

CandyPop Tue 22-Jan-13 08:29:31

What she said <points at petit > grin

PetiteRaleuse Tue 22-Jan-13 08:34:02

Oh and just one more thing. One piece of advice I was given before DD1 was born: don't worry if instant bonding doesn't happen. It's OK for it not to. Love develops as it does for anyone else. Sometimes it's instant, sometimes it takes time. And sometimes, like anyone else we love , our children will drive us mad, and for a minute, or an hour, we will resent them for pissing us off, even when they can't help it. It's ok for us to love them but hate the little buggers at the same time. And the negative feelings won't last because we love them. Bonding is a process, and the rush of love does happen at some point. But it's OK that there are times when we would quite happily have them put back in to cook a little more. As long as we are in a position to give love and not harm, pretty much anything we feel is normal.

horseylady Tue 22-Jan-13 08:37:13

Pr - I have been much better only reading this thread and the horse section. I could have doubted myself on so many levels. I think there is so much competition. A lady in the pub has a daughter who had her lo a few days after me. She asked how my birth went and I told her. I was then told how her dd only had two paracetamol a 30second labour and was doing zumba that evening. Ok the latter two are exaggerations but for a split second I felt awful for going into theatre then thought wtf?! My baby was 8lb he got stuck!! Hers was 5lb and she was induced with pe. Both of us had issues and to be fair I'd have rather done it my way than had the worry of health complications.

I do sometimes read the oct thread as there are babies slightly older than ds so I like to read their thoughts. They were talking about nurseries and schooling. Very interesting.

But you are all right. Sleep deprivation is horrific and I certainly agree with vq. If I swore at ds there would be cause for concern but my friend often swore at hers and there was little to worry about as it's how she expressed herself generally. I swear but rarely in anger. I also think many women need more support from families. Many of us live away from our parents or they're not alive. I'd have loved for my mil to help me out alongside my own mum. My mum has been fab but I feel dh would gave benefited from his mum being there too.

We've gone back to night wakings!! I love growth spurts!!

horseylady Tue 22-Jan-13 08:42:11

Oh and the other thing to remember is the advise changes constantly. My friend was advised to wean at 15 weeks which is less than three weeks away for me. I don't think ds is ready or would have been. I will wean him when he looks ready. He will sleep in his own room when he's too big for his bed.

Research changes but research can also be skewed. It is only someone's opinion afterall. We don't all fit into social norms and statistics. That's why I love my job!

Thechick Tue 22-Jan-13 08:47:09

Wow Petite you said what I was thinking in a much better way. You write really well. I wanted to applaud what you wrote when I finished reading it. And Candy thanks for your opinion too. It is hardworking but so worth it.
I think I've been in the house for too long. I really hate snow ANSI don't drive so I haven't gone out. I think I have cabin fever.

Thechick Tue 22-Jan-13 08:47:41

*And I don't drive

georgee Tue 22-Jan-13 08:53:05

Thanks for wise women's words everyone. V well put PR. It's DD1 I'm struggling with at the moment. Everything's such a flaming battle - dressing, feeding, stopping her sprinting down the drive to certain death on the road. James is nice and straightforward in comparison. Though was up at 1.00, 3.30 (plus nappy change) and 5.30. I agree I'm quite a swearer anyway so will let go the odd expletive day-to-day (but not directly at them - yet).

I don't need a passport for James for a UK flight do I (Edinburgh to Gatwick)? BA woman told me I did on the phone on Friday but that's wrong isn't it?

horseylady Tue 22-Jan-13 08:58:06

This mornings trick is rolling......

CandyPop Tue 22-Jan-13 08:58:29

chick I have serious cabin fever too!!! Now do I venture out to baby group which is 10 mins walk away?' I'm still lying in bed at the mo... Can bring myself to get up!

CandyPop Tue 22-Jan-13 08:59:43

Can't+

Sophiathesnowfairy Tue 22-Jan-13 09:00:01

I agree with what you say pr. I think we also have to remember that we bare our souls on this thread, it doesn't mean we are a danger to society, it means we are honest about the difficulties of having a new baby.

chickI am a routine follower and a book reader. I have no mother, all my family and DHs family are a long way away, I am slighty dyslexic which in my world means that when there is a lot going on I can get a bit overwhelmed and it all goes into a jumbled mess in my head. From the age of nine my coping mechanism is to make sure I am highly organised and tidy. I really struggle with going with the flow, it makes me feel panicky. Though I am getting better as I get older.

I reAlise that the kids haven't read the book but it isn't necessarily for them. It is for me and by setting a strict routine it is how I cope with all the things I have to remember to do in the day and get to the end of it. If I didn't have a routine in place I probably wouldn't have had a moment to myself in the last 8 years and I would have had a nervous breakdown

Ta da....no one size fits all. All the babies are different and all mums are different.

horseylady Tue 22-Jan-13 09:01:05

Also everyone has an opinion of everything!! A lot of people would disagree with how I keep my horses. Thing is I am so much more confident with my care for those as it's been my life. I can argue my point very well!!

Clarella Tue 22-Jan-13 09:04:30

oooo interesting prog on r4 about babies and development now ....

kirrinIsland Tue 22-Jan-13 09:07:49

I was just going to post my thoughts but I see petit has put it so much better than I ever could!
I haven't ever sworn at my children but I do swear at the situation sometimes, and that is pretty normal for me when I am frustrated. I have no expectations that N will sleep through any time soon but that doesn't stop me crying with frustration when she wakes up 5 minutes after I've dropped off and I am so exhausted I can't see straight.

Hope your DD is ok eliza - and why do they always do these things 5 minutes before bedtime!?

WRT work - with DD1 I planned to take a year off but went back after 9 months. I felt ready and I missed it - both the work and especially the people. This time I shall see how it goes. I'm in a different job, not through choice, and while the people are lovely, I only worked with them for a few weeks before starting mat leave and I didn't particularly enjoy the job. I am also job hunting right now, so if I get offered something good then I accept that I may have to go back sooner than I'd like. I do want to feed ebf N for 6 months though.

Not sure about the passport georgee They will want some form of ID, So I usually just take my passport. Perhaps his birth certificate?

DD1 is rotten with cold this morning so I guess it's day 4 stuck in the house. I am going slightly crazy.

Evilwater Tue 22-Jan-13 09:08:36

Sorry YW, it was autocorrect! angry

Evil

kirrinIsland Tue 22-Jan-13 09:13:50

Ooh horsey I think people are just as opinionated on horse care as they are on baby care - possibly more so. The number of people who are horrified that my horses live out all year is amazing, and they have no problem telling me how wrong it is! <smile and nod, smile and nod> Its certainly good practice for motherhood!

For those struggling with baby groups - it always revolves round babies to start with, but as you actually make friends with people, rather than just chat to strangers, that will pass and hopefully you will have some RL people that you can share the sort of things we do on here. No-one wants to admit is not all a bed of roses at baby groups! It's like admitting failure, rather than just being normal!

blonderthanred Tue 22-Jan-13 09:13:50

Thank you for all the good wishes re L's weight. It is such a relief to know all the hard work is paying off and he is still enjoying bf.

Eliza your poor brave DD1! Glad she is ok but never fun to sit in A&E.

The conversation here has taken a serious tone (apart from VQ's bum sex). For my two penn'orth I think we all come on here and vent but that's not always representative of our expectations in real life, just expressing our frustrations. We've all got our own more serious issues whether relationships, health, sleep but a lot of the time people are just letting go of something - like pr does with her DH. Or there's a minor anxiety and they need reassurance that they/their baby is 'normal' or that this too shall pass. Preferably in the next 24 hrs.

In happy news from the BlondeRed household, I actually woke L up this morning as he had slept 5 hrs and I was worried. He's fine! And now feeding like a warthog. That means he slept 9 hrs in total last night. It's a fucking miracle.

PetiteRaleuse Tue 22-Jan-13 09:17:42

Rolling! Bravo little E!! Was he pleased with himself?

I've just been reading the January 2013 thread. If you can bear the birth stories I suggest you go and have a look to see just how far we've come along. Remember how lost we were but in a few weeks how much progress we've made !

One of the advantages of being abroad is that when a French person gives me advice I just shrug and say Well in England we do it differently. When a Brit gives me advice I just shrug and say Well in France we do it differently. Makes life easier. We just muddle along doing our best with what we have. People in real life can be pretty unsupportive.

I also know someone Horsey who did a cat's bum face when I said I'd had an EMCS with DD1. She said 'Ha, too many CS these days. I just got on with it and had a few paracetamol. They just slid out. I assume you're going to try and do it properly this time?' i said no fecking way, I will never try and do it properly again. Elcs all the way for me. (which is true btw). And she literally couldn't have looked more disgusted with me.

Competitive birthing and parenting is bullshit.

I'm sweary btw. Ironically not often in real anger. Just when I feel a little bit ranty.

kissyfur Tue 22-Jan-13 09:20:57

Morning ladies

Rant away petite, that was very well put. I agree that we are too hard on ourselves, and society is too quick to judge mothers for the decisions they make. It also makes me sad how unkind some people on the feeding/parenting/aibu threads on here can be to each other if they have different views. Live and let live I say! Not talking about this lovely thread obviously smile

Thanks YW - I didn't realise that's how domperidone worked. She had a dose last night and hasn't been sick yet, so fingers crossed it'll work for us. Going to give the first dose of ranitidine in a bit. Do u know what the shelf life of ranitidine is btw? It says not to use after expiry date but doesn't have a date on the bottle we were given by the pharmacist.

Not looking forward to going back to work here really. I only work part time after having DD1 and not in the same field I worked in prior to having children. Hence it's not very well paid so tbh I'm unsure if going back will even work out for us finance wise.

Can't remember who mentioned watching 'what happens in kavos' but I watched it too! Car crash tv eh

ValiumQueen Tue 22-Jan-13 09:21:22

georgee some airlines insist on passports for domestic flights, so best to get one, or at least check with airline.

I would buy PR s book on parenting. You explain things so well.

Between 10.15pm and 8.15 am, J and I slept for 8 hours! Two wakings of 1 hour each, so a 3 hr, 2 hr, 3 hr split. Happy with that! Feel like I have been run over by a truck! All in cot (him, not me) grin

Put girls to sleep at 6:45pm ,they woke at 3:45am for milk. I was downstairs warming the bottles. Both girls upstairs howling. P comes into kitchen and says..."what do you want me to do". This is what I am trying to deal with, Mr No Brains!

I leg it upstairs with milk, he goes into spare room and shuts the door! I feed both myself.

Can anyone say...selfish?!

PetiteRaleuse Tue 22-Jan-13 09:39:01

Oh thank you all for saying such nice things about what I wrote. VQ I think there are more than enough books written about parenting don't you?

I'm not sure adding another called 'Do it how you want and sod everyone else' would work grin

I read a book about parenting recently that my granny was given in 1945 when my mum was born. It was funny because it could have been written by Gina Ford for routine, and by any number of weaning experts today. Funnily enough the doctor who wrote it talked about purées and about the importance of introducing finger foods too.

In fact except for his advice on nappies and non breast milk (with advanced formula being unavailable and terry nappies being the only choice) it was pretty up to date. Everything that is out there is pretty much what has been done for years in some form or another. It's just that everything is so much more available now, and there is an entire industry built around parenting. It's so in your face. But other than life saving medical advances, like c sections and wonderful doctors without whom my DD1 might well have died a few weeks ago, basic parenting involves what it did generations ago. And more generations. And centuries.

ChunkyChicken Tue 22-Jan-13 09:44:17

Thanks VQ and PR for writing so much better than I. At 3.30, with a MASSIVE poonami that I didn't realise until after I'd almost force-fed my son boob blush I'd read chick's comments and got a bit angry. Sorry chick!! I'm glad I didn't comment & say something I'd regret.

Essentially, I don't swear at work (teacher) but it slips out at home. But I never, ever call either child names, I just express my frustration. Before DS had his TT done & wouldn't latch easily, I would occassionally say something like "for fuck's sake, just fucking well fucking put it in your fucking mouth!!" after the 6th attempt. Mostly I take my frustration out at DH (poor bloke) by ranting too, but at 3am with him snoring, it wasn't that easy. If it was too much, I do what candy said & leave dc in care of DH & take a breather. Even 5mins alone in the kitchen can be enough. However, since DS has slept better & fed better, I'm much calmer. except when it comes to DH's pathological untidyness

The poonami was a treat, but otherwise he was in bed from 8.45 until 7.25.<ducks projectiles> grin

ChunkyChicken Tue 22-Jan-13 10:02:17

Well done horseyfoal on your roll.smile

That's fab VQ. I find I can feel worse after a decent sleep, after so long w/out because the adrenaline eases off I presume.

PR agreed. Is that phrase 'there's nothing new under the Sun' or something?? I'm so lucky to have my v supportive and understanding parents close. Otherwise the feelings of failure with DD's "weight gain issues" would have been immense.

FWIW I HATE those birth story competitions. I met a grp of mums after DD was born who'd all had complicated deliveries in one way or another, so when I said that I found the 12hr show to baby, 2hrs 0-10cm labour a shock & couldn't get my head around it, they all looked a bit dismissive and said things like "lucky you" hmm You can't win with people like that.

Clarella Tue 22-Jan-13 10:03:21

arse I had a huge post in relation to petite and I lost it sad try n recoup later. basically had similar experiences trying to be a teacher for 11 years and the do it how you want and sod everyone else has paid off there (much easier in special ed though - last year it was 'get the gloop out' year before we made countless cola/mento rockets grin (I did make them squiggle write about the rockets mind!)

Clarella Tue 22-Jan-13 10:07:16

oh yes edited other bits were 'outer societies let mum go into 6 weeks of confinement /no other commitments for a reason (less pnd)'

and - how do you politely refuse visitors.

what the hell did mum's do in the days before extraction fans? I heart my extractor fan grin

I'm struggling with 'inuterine growth restriction'. makes me so sad sad

Thechick Tue 22-Jan-13 10:35:30

Chunky I'm sorry my post made you angry. My sentiment was basically that the babies are all so young and things will get better and what PR said.

ValiumQueen Tue 22-Jan-13 10:55:50

chick all posts will be interpreted slightly differently dependent on how you are feeling at the time of reading. For example, the title of the last thread - if that had been the title of this thread, I would have exploded!!! grin

kirrinIsland Tue 22-Jan-13 11:00:55

On the subject of thread titles - myDD1 has started saying by 'eck, its very cute but definitely gives away how much postman pat is being watched in our house at the moment !

BigPigLittlePig Tue 22-Jan-13 11:01:32

All those posts were exactly what I needed after an awful night and worse morning. LO screamed her way round the shops only stopping to vom, then screamed in car showroom (sodding car, whole appointment was waste of time) and screamed all the way home. All this, after feeding HOURLY overnight. I did find myself wailing "why won't you stop" and then I would have had a proper good sob only I'm too tired.

This parenting lark is bloody tricky, and luckily people further up-thread have summed my sentiments up perfectly, as I'm not sure I could coherently write them myself today.

rowingdowntheriver Tue 22-Jan-13 11:19:05

Some really good posts up thread that sum up how I'm feeling too. Sleep deprived (hourly feeds over night for nearly a week), a windy, crying baby during the day and now a toddler with yet another cold.

On top of that am trying to manage selling our house and buying another and am getting stressed out by the cost of the new one especially as I don't have ajob to go back to.

Thankfully my mum is here today to help me with the boys.

ValiumQueen Tue 22-Jan-13 11:29:55

Sorry to hear that BP and rowing big hugs all round!

My new washer comes tomorrow, so boy is in fluff again. I am amazed at how much difference there is in how the nappies fit in just a couple of weeks! He sure is growing.

For the first time ever I will be paying the minimum on the credit card. Usually I pay it all off, but with the washer going and being still unsure how much I will get paid, I am going to wait and see before I pay off as much of the balance as I can. I also need to call the tax credit folk as they still have not accepted Js existence.

Izzybuzzybuzzybees Tue 22-Jan-13 11:30:16

Sorry to hear of the hourly feeding rowing and bplp sad

We actually had a good night after the horrific one the night before. J went from 11pm til 6am. I am still bloody tired tho. DD is 3 and is on the go the whole time. She is watching too much telly for my liking but it beats whining!

I have a Pilates class today. I'm hoping it'll help tone the jelly belly. You bring baby as its run by hospital physionp. Also I've put 9lbs on. I'm on some meds to prevent illness and they have weight gain as a huge side effect. I'm so hungry all the time tho. I need healthy snacks and dinner ideas. I put on 3.5 stone last time and I feel my weight is now getting the same way sad

TheDetective Tue 22-Jan-13 11:35:08

You only need worry about me when I stop swearing! That's when you know the scary bits about to arrive so take cover!!! grin Seriously. DP knows when I've stopped swearing at him I'm at the end of a very long tether. If I start swearing at people then I've lost the battle and make myself look like the one in the wrong.

The way I see it though, they are just words. It's how you say it rather than what you say. You say it with menace, or you say it with exasperation, the tone is different as are the sentiments.

Sophia you are right! He is 8 weeks! I thought that to myself this morning as I scratched my head wondering why he was doing the things he was doing. Anyway. He will be even more broked later sad injection day....

I'm still in bed. Baby asleep on me. I'll wake him soon so he doesn't think it's still night time! blush.

Today is my first absolute proper day alone! I've only been alone (minus DP and DS) with Oscar once. For 2 hours. DP is in work 11-7, So I've got 4 hours and a bout of injections (typical he would be in work for that wouldn't he!!) to myself! I'm enjoying the peace right now!

TheDetective Tue 22-Jan-13 11:38:37

It's okay. I dont need to wake him... His eyes just pinged open with a big gummy smile to match! He is now munching blanket grin.

MadamGazelleIsMyMum Tue 22-Jan-13 11:40:21

Well expressed PR. It is very tough indeed, being a parent, and along with the constant pressure to be doing x,y or z, and advice etc, sometimes I know I find hit hard to just chill and enjoy my babies.

This morning DH looked after DS and I took DD swimming - was so nice to have some quality time with just DD. DH even cleaned the bathroom while we were gone, but of course I had to come home and nit pick.

Horsey wow with the rolling!

VQ amazing the difference some sleep makes.

evil and bigpig yes indeedy, I am half way between the 2 of you.

BigPigLittlePig Tue 22-Jan-13 11:44:19

Today just keeps getting better. Was checking emails zoning out to white noise on youtube when I heard a gurgle, and looked down to see rivers of vom pouring out of LO. The kind of vom where you think, "surerly that's it?" but it just keeps on coming. Soaked through 3 layers of my clothes sad

Dixiebell Tue 22-Jan-13 11:47:23

kirrin, find it v amusing imagining your daughter going round saying by 'eck! I still find it amazing when ds1 says something so adult sounding, with an intonation obviously copied exactly from me or DH. Little moments like that almost make the toddler tantrums/refusing to eat anything but sausages/escaping down the driveway/constant demands for Peppa worthwhile!!

Teddy went 11-7 last night shock . I tried to put him down about 8 too, did usual 10.30 routine, change, grobag, feed, lights off, but he was awake again within the hour. But then later sleeps for 7 hours. Amazed that he knows the difference! Is it the time, or the fact we're not in the room??

On Cradle cap, I tried the dentinox shampoo yesterday, and it has just dried out his scalp so it looks more scaly than before. Anyone else had success with it? I wonder whether it needs a few applications to work, but as it made his head look more red and irritated than before I'm a bit reluctant to use again. I've ordered aveeno lotion so will try that too but wondered if anyone else had success with dentinox. It's actually leftover from ds1, didn't work for him either, you'd think I'd learn!

Thechick Tue 22-Jan-13 11:53:17

Thanks VQ for your post!

WRT tax credit, I called them yesterday and they told me the household income needs to be under 28k (or 26) to get anything and told me to call back when I've been on maternity leave for 26 weeks.

ValiumQueen Tue 22-Jan-13 11:54:00

dixie I have tried that stuff on 1 and 2 and it did not work. Why do I still have it??? My DD says 'good God' a lot. I was upset and annoyed as I have been known to go to church on occasions and do not like blasphemy. At a roundabout the other day, I heard myself saying it! I do it subconsciously I think. Must. Try. Harder.

ChunkyChicken Tue 22-Jan-13 11:56:15

No apology needed chick. Very hard to reas an author's tone and your own views colour it, as VQ said.

I have a very greedy little boy. Long old feed, he's pulling off and on, on second boob. I say 'are u finished?', so he gives me the big blues and sucks my nipple, looking up at me, as if daring me to stop him!! He then proceeds to posset a load of milk, so he is full but just doesn't want to stop with the boob. Typical man wink

Thechick Tue 22-Jan-13 12:00:30

Dixie My little one has cradle cap and we are using dentinox. We used olive oil to begin with and that caused the scales to thicken. Now using the dentinox it's loosening the thickened scales and taking his hair with it.

ValiumQueen Tue 22-Jan-13 12:02:13

BP sorry to hear that x

chick it makes a difference if you have 2 or 3 kids, and if you pay childcare. Also how many hours each parent works. It is such a complicated system.

ChunkyChicken Tue 22-Jan-13 12:03:01

^read obviously.

Sorry bplp and rowing that sounds hellish sad

Thechick Tue 22-Jan-13 12:03:56

Chunky smile

TheDetective Tue 22-Jan-13 12:06:51

Okay. He went back to sleep after the gummy smile. Do not want to wake. But must. Bugger!

ValiumQueen Tue 22-Jan-13 12:11:43

By the way, I was being serious about the bum sex grin but from what you say, your DH would be a bit much grin

Thechick Tue 22-Jan-13 12:12:39

VQ it is. I thought I'd be entitled to something if I work one less day when ml ends and pay for childcare, they said to call back in April.

StuntNun Tue 22-Jan-13 12:15:58

Glad to hear you had a better night VQ, I'm sure you sleep more deeply when he's in his cot.

I can sympathise BP, J frequently manages to soak me to my keks. I don't know where it keeps coming from sometimes. After his last feed he possetted five times and soaked everything in sight. I'm going to have to shampoo my mattress once he gets past this stage.

PennieLane Tue 22-Jan-13 12:19:11

Glad it was a better night VQ and thanks everyone for your posts. Really reassuring and helpful to read all the different POV and just great to have some adult conversation about all the things swirling around my head! smile

Sophiathesnowfairy Tue 22-Jan-13 12:59:34

Oooooooo DH has asked me out on a Burns Night date! I am all of a dither! He doesn't normally suggest stuff I am the social secretary!grin

pikz Tue 22-Jan-13 13:07:01

LO finally out of week 8 weirdness and back to my beautiful smiley boy just in time for jabs on Thursday...sad

PetiteRaleuse Tue 22-Jan-13 13:13:05

We've got jabs next week. They seem to space it out a little more here. The first were at 8 weeks, the second lot are 8 weeks later.

YellowWellies Tue 22-Jan-13 13:18:30

Georgee Jonas flew south just using his birth certificate (and a plane boom tisch) with fly be. Check your airline.

Clarella reflux started in our house at 6 weeks so might be worth keeping an eye on it?

I'd just like to say that I love my DH so much. He spurned the Witchery (and a free slap up dinner) there to come home to a ready meal to help with a refluxy baby and his inconsolable tears. Fecking new Dr messing with his meds to 'try something cheaper' I shit you not. Returned to the surgery guns blazing today et voila my son is now on omeperazole liquid and I don't give a rats ass if its £167 a fortnight blush

kissyfur Tue 22-Jan-13 13:21:32

Dixie I tried detinox on LO the other day and it just made it more dry, but I think that is how it works. I had it leftover from DD1 too smile I tried the olatium cream b4 washing her hair the other day, that didn't work either so might try the aveeno cream

A big thank you to whoever suggested putting the extractor fan on to get LOs to sleep. Worked a treat and meant I could make DD1 her lunch without LO crying. thanks

BigPigLittlePig Tue 22-Jan-13 13:26:51

Go YW! Poor doctor won't know what hit them!

I think little pig must have caught a touch of this 8 week madness that's going around. She's much happier after vom-athon, and is even <gasps> asleep in her crib!

Sophia a date?!? I am jealous.

GTbaby Tue 22-Jan-13 13:27:02

Argh lost post

VQ - I was asleep but Sod's law LO didn't sleep thro so I was up at 3 again.

Clara- I did 5 weeks confinement! Close family visitors only. My Chinese friend told me they do 40 days.

Gorgee- everyone needs ID to travel. Passport is easiest for kids. Ie grown ups can use driving licence. If airline say passport then stick with that.
LO passport came within a week of sending (they say to allow two weeks). (DH works in passport control)

Swearing. I manage fine not to swear at school. But home I struggle to stop. But will have to get used to not swearing before LO starts talking.

kissyfur Tue 22-Jan-13 13:29:29

Yay for date night Sophia grin

Burns night is my birthday and DP and I have a date, we are going to the cinema to see Life of Pi in 3D, DD's are going to be looked after by my mum. Hoping LO will sleep for most of the time I'm away!

ValiumQueen Tue 22-Jan-13 13:39:04

sophia what is a date? I forget grin The last time I went out with just DH was my 40th. Two kids ago. DD1 was three!

DonnaDoon Tue 22-Jan-13 13:41:18

OMG Just slipped over twice in the woods with DD safely snug in the wrap but still...Luckily I landed quite softly and on my bum. Bloody dog can just go down to one walk a day until its melted because DH walks him in the evening anyway.

ValiumQueen Tue 22-Jan-13 14:11:34

donna glad you are both ok. I think you are right to avoid that for the foreseeable future. Dog will cope.

PetiteRaleuse Tue 22-Jan-13 14:24:13

Donna the dog will be fine with one walk. Nt worth you breaking or twisting your ankle or worse and not being able to get up with LO in a sling.

TheDetective Tue 22-Jan-13 14:38:58

My dog is scared of the snow. She wants 0 walks a day at the minute. Though it's not my job anyway... I just do the fun walks (when we take her places!) grin

Currently sat in drs surgery post jabs. Oscar feeding, looking at me with pissed off eyes. Yes, I've taken the preemptive paracetomol grin. I've got Oscars in the bag just in case! Seems ok but sleepy. Gave a good old scream though!

Do you know, I shit you not, I know you won't believe me but it's true! My mum thinks I don't swear. She apologises for swearing in front of me. grin. She has never ever heard a swear word pass my lips. It's gone on far too long to tell her the truth now blush. And I don't think I would ever have the balls to swear in her presence either!!!

Sophiathesnowfairy Tue 22-Jan-13 14:43:05

vq bigpig an actual date. grin now I just need to find a babysitter. Hopefully one of the nursery girls will be free tomorrow or Thurs to oblige! Iam out Fri as well on a works curry night, I didn't remind DH when he suggested the date/party night.

Why does Olly always chew his ands after his milk not before?

Sophiathesnowfairy Tue 22-Jan-13 14:45:06

Lol dtective lots of people think I don't swear! It has more clout then when I do!

TheDetective Tue 22-Jan-13 14:47:27

I don't swear in front of my dad either, but he is on my Facebook. There are swearywords there for sure! The difference is, I don't care what he thinks hah!

pikz Tue 22-Jan-13 15:02:54

We have sleeping swing success! Dectective I can't thank you enough for the idea...an hour off Velcro daytime baby! Woohoo! And he's sleeping during the day!

PurplePidjin Tue 22-Jan-13 15:15:06

I nearly swore at the hv this morning blush. Went to get R weighed and see my bf group friends, and so i could find out what was going on re extra support. Saw a different hv

"Oh, yes, <name> is still pondering what's best to offer you"

Me nearly actually in tears bh now due to the pressure. Chat about what help i think i need - time away from baby to cook and clean would be a start!

"Have you got a freezer? You could try cooking some meals and freezing them for another day"

Well fuck me pink and call me Rosie. I'd never have thought of that by myself hmm

<hides freezer full of homemade stews and curries, fridge full of veg and overflowing fruit bowl in case they decide i can cope after all>

On the plus side, R is 8lb15 (6lb3 at birth) at 9 weeks grin

And i sold a hat, that's 3 this week (i started last week) grin

And dp had a nap and feels a bit better so is dealing with dinner - chicken casserole now in the slow cooker grin

PetiteRaleuse Tue 22-Jan-13 15:47:27

Wow purple that's rubbish of them. Good news about LO's weight and your DP feeling a bit stronger.

TheDetective Tue 22-Jan-13 16:01:08

How crap of them pidj (I have to call you this sorry!!) that's a rubbish suggestion. Seriously... I think you should have swore. It might have been therapeutic!

What did I suggest pikz?! I hope it wasn't anything naughty grin.

Currently being lambasted by DS1 over how I'm a horrible mum for trekking through the snow to take him to school yesterday... Oh yes. I'm terrible! Blah blah blah!! KIDS!

ValiumQueen Tue 22-Jan-13 16:01:37

DH was home until 11 this morning, so DS stayed with him at home while I did the school and nursery run. When I got home, DS was asleep in his BabyBjorn. I asked him to take him up to his cot, and DH asked what he should do. It is his third child! He has actually been really supportive and helpful these last few days.

PP pics of hats on FB please! I wish I could crochet. I must learn. I can knit and do petit point and cross stitch and sew, but crochet has always defeated me.

PurplePidjin Tue 22-Jan-13 16:03:11

Just fyi, the children's centre have a hot line to the tax credits people and will help sort those out for you wink

PurplePidjin Tue 22-Jan-13 16:04:33

Pics have just gone on fb but I'm not in your gang on there sad

ValiumQueen Tue 22-Jan-13 16:12:10

PP need to find a children's centre then! Thank you!

Our gang is November 12 babies with a pic of a pg tummy and flowers. I think if you just put a request to join, DH21 will arrange it. Please correct me if I am wrong gang grin

PurplePidjin Tue 22-Jan-13 16:20:11

I've asked. If you've got NH from t'other fred, we have her in common smile

Dixiebell Tue 22-Jan-13 16:30:14

It's actually Nov 12 babies...

Dixiebell Tue 22-Jan-13 16:32:48

Started snowing heavily here again. Argh, I can't take another whole day in the house on my own with 2 DSs!! Need to get out to playgroup or something for sanity. Love a bit of snow, but really it should be restricted to weekends only. DS1 wanted to sledge yesterday, but can't really manage that on my own with a 7 week old in tow...

ValiumQueen Tue 22-Jan-13 16:43:55

I have got NH wink

Thank you dixie and I agree, snow should only be for weekends. It should be the law.

Clarella Tue 22-Jan-13 16:56:05

YW after chatting to my nct mum today I've decided its 'normal levels' of reflux plus as I express in the morn and he's not that hungry then it tends to blow his head off with my let down and then he spends all morning recovering - evening he's just a pig and thenwe get it all then but I will keep an eye on it thanks! thinking about switching to expressing in early evening instead - a mumat nct did it, anyone else have thoughts?

Gt - wow that's great! yes I read 40 days is the norm. our Japanese friend went to stay with her mother and wasn't allowed out for a month. I think there's a lot to be said for it!!!

catching up on your post pidj....

PurplePidjin Tue 22-Jan-13 17:02:35

VQ there's a hat and a sling in my profile pic, first name and user name have the same initial wink

I wouldn't bother, Clarella, it's a giant rant blush

StuntNun Tue 22-Jan-13 17:02:50

Sophia dessert perhaps?

Clarella Tue 22-Jan-13 17:07:29

oh ffs pidj it's been weeks now you poor thing how bloody useless. can you go to your .gp about it - cos you need to look after you and they might be more proactive? ( sorry if you've already tried and I missed that)

well done on crochet stuff!

Passmethecrisps Tue 22-Jan-13 17:39:52

Right! I am going to have to start taking notes. I read thing and think "oh, I must comment on that" then by the time I get to actually posting I can only remember the last 3 posts!

I noticed one of the ante-natal threads (I think it might be march) started before the new Year. Why do we talk so much? Not that I'm complaining

sophia I looked up the fist-nomming because P does that too. It is likely to be a combination of just playing and tiredness. Also, thank you for nappy sniffing. That is the sort of solidarity I have come to expect from those in the group grin

yellow that GP clearly has no idea who he is dealing with. You are a force - J is a lucky baby. I get infuriated by the suggestion that babies just cry or being told that they grow out of it. I wouldn't tolerate my mouth being filled with acid multiple times a day so why should a baby?

On that note . . .

kissy I am glad you got the meds your LO needs. YW is right in what she says about domperidone. P is on it and it is a massive help to her as a FF baby with a tendency towards serious constipation. For us, it's a nice side-effect.

Errr . . .

Oh pidj what a complete load of shite from your HV. Why is it so hard to get some of these people to take us seriously. It's like as soon as you have a baby you become invisible.

I think the beef crisps thing in the p might just be full nappies. However, there are breweries / whisky storage near here and, to be honest, the smell is the same. I actually now think having stuck my face in many nappies that the smell comes from the milk she is on. I have made another thread asking I anyone knows how to get the smell out of the bottles - the stuff reaks.

Aargh. What else did I want to say???

Passmethecrisps Tue 22-Jan-13 17:41:26

And you can just join the Facebook group without a request anymore. Used to be secret. Now t'is not

Passmethecrisps Tue 22-Jan-13 17:43:34

I meant the smell of her milk out of bottles. Not the smell of wee. I am not bottling her wee.

Passmethecrisps Tue 22-Jan-13 17:44:02

Although that would be an unusual keepsake.

horseylady Tue 22-Jan-13 17:45:03

Kirrin - you think horse people are bad? The dog work evil!!! I'd love for my horses to live out. Sadly we dont have the grazing. My pony (although out on loan) melts in most weather!! My tb just trashes the ground. The section as are ok. But they stay in to keep her company. I just don't have the land to let her wreck it. She goes out with hay in the dry.

No more rolling so far. But he's been on me most of the day!!

Has anyone read wonder weeks? It's very interesting!

Passmethecrisps Tue 22-Jan-13 17:48:20

I flicked through that horsey. P seems more on line with those than typical growth spurts eg. Going mental at 8 weekd

horseylady Tue 22-Jan-13 17:55:08

Yes e the same!! Not read it thoroughly yet doubt I will but it seems quite good!

Passmethecrisps Tue 22-Jan-13 18:04:18

At the moment I feel like I will never read anything apart from mumsnet ever again!

I have a question!

When sitting in her bouncer P has taken to straining forward if that makes sense. The other day when she was in te pram she did the same thing - sort of pushing forward from the waist. Could she be trying to sit up?

PurplePidjin Tue 22-Jan-13 18:09:05

Thanks, sure start lady is going to follow up with hv and I'm seeing my gp tomorrow - dp has advised i stage a meltdown i haven't told him how little acting will be required

horseylady Tue 22-Jan-13 18:22:12

Pass - e doing the same. I assumed it trying to support himself more.

YellowWellies Tue 22-Jan-13 18:27:32

Pass that sounds like she's trying to sit - clever poppet!!!!!

We've had a roll from his tummy onto his back - whoop!

We might also have 'short man syndrome'. Jonas has just met MM's beautiful Matilda and despite being 6 weeks senior he is clearly a short arse - no one tell him!!!! He tried to impress her by letting her sit on his swing....

horsey my sister raves about Wonder Weeks - I've got the app on my iPhone - its great though the timing doesn't seem to fit with a premmie even using his EDD as recommended. Anyone else find that?

Now how do I change my name to 'YellowWillies'!!!! wink

NotSoNervous Tue 22-Jan-13 18:36:39

Wow, I last come on last night and have 150 posts to catch up on

PR I agree that you do write very well and agree with what you said. This place is such a great place to come for support, to vent and advice. I do feel like you can say whatever you need on this thread and not be judged but given support. I also prefer to ask for advice on here because its given with the best intention and I can take what I want and what I think would work for me which in RL I don't like getting advice off people because I always feel its forced upon me to do it and listen to it and if I don't take it I'm judged as a mother and its not fair. Every baby is different and so is every parent.

How's Oscar after his jabs detective?

My LO had hers today and omg it was awful, she was screaming and screaming and hen fall asleep but woke up screaming sad poor things

Damn there was so much I wanted to comment on but I still suffer from baby brain!

I've ordered an electric breast pump, the spectra 3. Is it sad that I'm excited for it to arrive? grin

TheDetective Tue 22-Jan-13 18:37:18

Do it do it do it <cackles from the sidelines but I've no idea how you do it!!>

I toyed with the idea of becoming TheDicktective grin. Maybe we should all adopt penis inspired user names. I'm so childish!

horseylady Tue 22-Jan-13 18:37:18

Reading the book which is more general in terms of timings etc.

Apparently i need to do some sort of upgrade on my phone?!

Sophiathesnowfairy Tue 22-Jan-13 18:42:38

Oh yeah pass I meant to say,......am out off beef crisps forever!

Must be stunt but all I can offer him for dessert is a muller corner or a weightwatchers yoghurt! hmm

TheDetective Tue 22-Jan-13 18:42:52

Awww Nervous poor little thing! It feels awful doesn't it? They look at you with their big eyes and you feel horrible because you can't tell them it's for their own good!

Oscar had a good scream poor nurse, she should invest in ear plugs but he was part way through a feed. I carried on feeding him when we got back in the waiting room and he chilled out. He doesn't seem bothered yet, but we shall see what tonight brings! Am going to make DP go next time though grin!

Bloody jabs eh?!

TheDetective Tue 22-Jan-13 18:44:19

Awww Nervous poor little thing! It feels awful doesn't it? They look at you with their big eyes and you feel horrible because you can't tell them it's for their own good!

Oscar had a good scream poor nurse, she should invest in ear plugs but he was part way through a feed. I carried on feeding him when we got back in the waiting room and he chilled out. He doesn't seem bothered yet, but we shall see what tonight brings! Am going to make DP go next time though grin!

Bloody jabs eh?!

PhallusQueen Tue 22-Jan-13 18:49:56

I think that would be really really childish detective

PhallusQueen Tue 22-Jan-13 18:50:30

As indeed is posting twice.

TheDetective Tue 22-Jan-13 18:51:43

Lmfao!!! I've just laughed so much I made the baby drink milkshake!!!!

ValiumCock Tue 22-Jan-13 18:53:50

grin or should it be shock

ValiumCock Tue 22-Jan-13 18:55:27

In a previous life I was WillieWarmer

ValiumQueen Tue 22-Jan-13 18:58:05

That's better. It is quite easy to name change it seems.

SchlongNun Tue 22-Jan-13 19:11:44
GTbaby Tue 22-Jan-13 19:13:54

Vq. After years of trying to crochet YouTube is how I learntgrin

pikz Tue 22-Jan-13 19:30:11

I have just spat tea!!!! Lololol!!!

ValiumQueen Tue 22-Jan-13 19:49:16

Great link! I think I like pink oboe best!

GT thank you I will try that. I am left handed which I think confuses matters as I have to do everything in reverse.

PurplePidjin Tue 22-Jan-13 19:57:06
ValiumQueen Tue 22-Jan-13 19:59:49

Thank you PP

ValiumQueen Tue 22-Jan-13 20:00:39

Can you find any pictures of Harrison Ford naked?

ValiumQueen Tue 22-Jan-13 20:03:33

That is the other thing I have always wanted to do you see.

Passmethepenis Tue 22-Jan-13 20:05:28

You all make me giggle

Passmethepenis Tue 22-Jan-13 20:06:52

That link reminds me of a sex ed lesson - get the kids to write down all the words they know for boys bits, girls bits and sex. Is brill.

TheDetective Tue 22-Jan-13 20:07:21

Oh you wicked women!! I'm still sat here chortling away to myself!

Harrison Ford naked, from 30 years ago mind... not 60 odd year old Harrison Ford! My eyes they bleed!

I'm actually on the laptop, so I'm going to try and do a not so epic post when I've shovelled some dinner down! (DP finished at 7, so late dinner here!)

pikz Sorry I'm such a duhbrain, I reread your post, and saw you said about a swing! Not that you were doing anything naughty that I may or may not have suggested grin. Sorry! I blame reading on the phone...! Ignores the fact I'm just as bad on the laptop.

Passmethepenis Tue 22-Jan-13 20:07:26

<twirls wearing new name>

BigPigLittlePig Tue 22-Jan-13 20:09:50

I am suitably impressed by how the tone can change so quickly - such serious chat this morning, and now all-out smut.

I love it.

Passmethepenis Tue 22-Jan-13 20:09:52

That link is, however, missing 'purple headed custard chucker'. Sadly this means I giggle like a fool whenever I hear the line in All Things Bright and Beautiful' which goes 'the purple headed mountains'

Passmethepenis Tue 22-Jan-13 20:10:48

<wonders if suggesting a change to BigPenisLittlePenis is rude>

BigPigLittlePig Tue 22-Jan-13 20:13:29

grin
Was thinking BigPrickLittlePrick. But that would mean working out how to change it...

Passmethecrisps Tue 22-Jan-13 20:16:52

I'm on my mobile so had to straddle the mobile site and the desktop one

Passmethecrisps Tue 22-Jan-13 20:17:54

And I love the word prick

Knobbingdowntheriver Tue 22-Jan-13 20:23:52

So immature

Passmethecrisps Tue 22-Jan-13 20:26:09

<snort>

BigPigLittlePig Tue 22-Jan-13 20:29:55

Part of me would love to discover this thread for the first time at, say, 3am, during a particularly grim night. It would make it so much more bearable!

PetiteRaleuse Tue 22-Jan-13 20:31:51

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kissyfur Tue 22-Jan-13 20:32:46

Lol at the name changes

And pass DP and I always giggle at the purple headed mountains line too grin glad we're not alone!

Poinswatterpikz Tue 22-Jan-13 20:41:24

grin

Poinswatterpikz Tue 22-Jan-13 20:44:07

This thread has proper cheered me up tonight...

Sophiathesebastianicsword Tue 22-Jan-13 20:46:34

Can I play!

TheDetective Tue 22-Jan-13 20:46:37

I'm mega sulking!!!!!

Mine will not let me name change! shock

There is a problem with my email apparently, but the link I'm supposed to click on is a broken link. In the meanwhile it won't let me click on my nickname box.

You cocks mumsnet! grin

They must have seen my post ROFL!

BigPrickLittlePrick Tue 22-Jan-13 20:49:25

I did it! <pats self on back>

TheDetective Tue 22-Jan-13 20:49:53

Oh, damn I forgot to tell you yesterday!

Superdrug have huggies buy 1 get 2 free - at £2.29, so that's cheap!

Also, their formula is cheaper than anywhere else I've seen - only by pennies, but still! Every little helps, right?!

BigPrickLittlePrick Tue 22-Jan-13 20:50:08

Continuing my piggy theme, am a particular fan of the term pork sword

Sophiathesebastianicsword Tue 22-Jan-13 20:51:43

Lol bigprick

Where's the Tena?

Izzybuzzybuzzybees Tue 22-Jan-13 20:55:02

nervous I hope you like your new breast pump. I love mine hence why I recommended it on here smile

I think it was you that asked but j does feed to sleep most nights. Just tends to be how things work as we go upstairs, he wants another feed and then falls asleep!

Loving all the penis talk but I can't think of a name change!

TheDetective Tue 22-Jan-13 20:55:07

Poor TwoMany won't be able to join in... we shall have to have a new theme just for her!!!! grin

Sophiathesebastianicsword Tue 22-Jan-13 20:59:20

grin she was ahead of the game!

kissyfur Tue 22-Jan-13 21:00:14

I can't think of a name change either blush plus LO is having a screamathon!

Evilwater Tue 22-Jan-13 21:01:13

Hello all!
Sorry to hear about all the jabs. At least you were all brave to hold them! I had to get someone else to hold N. i really hate needles. I hope that the babies that have had the jabs stay grumpy free.

Madam you like to meet? I havnt been to exter for ages.

As for the smut yes please!!! I could do with a bucket load. No date here too. sad

Evil lance? Watery prick?

Evil

Pikz Tue 22-Jan-13 21:02:47

Evil I am having to take DP to hold LO as I will be useless like I was with the tongue tie.

Evilwater Tue 22-Jan-13 21:02:53

Ohh evil broomstick! It's great course I'm a pagan.

Evil broomstick.

Evilwater Tue 22-Jan-13 21:04:55

I'm glad I'm not the only one.
Evil broomstick

Passmethecrisps Tue 22-Jan-13 21:09:48

Watery penis sounds like someone needs to see a Dr.

BigPrickLittlePrick Tue 22-Jan-13 21:11:19

Pikz (or should that be prikz) and evil - when LO had her tt dealt with, I am ashamed to say that they took her to another room. I don't like mouths/teeth (or feet for that matter). It feels awful now I write it down...

Sophiathesebastianicsword Tue 22-Jan-13 21:12:46

How about * evil wing dang doodle" ?

Evilwater Tue 22-Jan-13 21:14:23

Ohhh good Sophia!
Broomstick

Pikz Tue 22-Jan-13 21:24:27

Lpbp prikz is ace... Wish I'd thought of that. LO has been asleep since 8. Think I have been enduring horrible grizzly evenings when actually I should have been putting him to sleep in his cot in his own room. <face palm>smile

ChunkyTodger Tue 22-Jan-13 21:31:07

<runs in late, out of breath...>

I thought ChubbyTodger was gilding the lily...

YellowWellies Tue 22-Jan-13 21:33:47

DH and I nearly got slung out of my nephew's christening due to infantile near pant-wetting giggles at the line about 'purple headed mountains' grin

GTbaby Tue 22-Jan-13 21:34:28

I can't think of one hmm

Kiddy how about kissyMyPricky ?

On a scale of one to ten. How bad should I feel for still not finishing LO blanket I started in
Was thinking I might make a quilt type thing from squares cut out of LO baby grows. But maybe I should focus finishing one project confused

BigPigLittlePig Tue 22-Jan-13 21:39:12

DH has just got home, not sure how to explain my infantile tittering

GTbaby Tue 22-Jan-13 21:43:58

I thing kissyMyPricky is a vulgar low I have hit

Evilwater Tue 22-Jan-13 21:47:31

Oh Wednesday tomorrow. A night off for me, what should I do??
Evil

ValiumQueen Tue 22-Jan-13 21:47:56

Have been trying to settle DS and missed such fun grin prikz was my first thought! These are fab grin

How about lady bits? I know a good one for stunt shock

Sophiathesnowfairy Tue 22-Jan-13 21:51:06

gt am going to Venue 5 on Friday ( I think as I just usually go where I am taken) have you been?

ValiumQueen Tue 22-Jan-13 21:51:41

I didn't even notice pass had name changed - must suit you grin

Pikz Tue 22-Jan-13 21:53:52

I'm still sniggering like a teenager in the corner

Kyzordz Tue 22-Jan-13 21:56:00

Oh I missed the fun! No idea what I could've been anyway! Listening to LO snuffling and grunting in bed. Had to leave dp to do bedtime tonight as I needed to help my mum at work and as such he was still awake but at least in bed when I got home, usually he's asleep by 8:30. Ah well, brownie points for doing it last minute just before his night shift and all that!

LO has been snuffling about for about 10 mins but hasn't yelled at me. He appears to be settling hope of all hopes

Probably be doing everyone's head in tonight again with random posts like last night! Sorry in advance!! Fingers crossed good nights are had by all smile

GTbaby Tue 22-Jan-13 22:00:34

It's not close to me soph. Tbh I don't like Indian food. So don't eat Indian when I'm eating out much. Lol

Ur in northolt right? Im trying to remember who was up for the Cha n samosa meet up we chatted about before Xmas.

Baby massage tomorrow. With trip to cafe once we r done smile really want some mum friends.

NotSoNervous Tue 22-Jan-13 22:03:39

grin loving the name changes

evil I didn't take DD to get he jabs done, I sat in the waiting room. I'm petrified of needles too and I just couldn't do it. I almost cried listening to her screams

sophia enjoy your date night wink

Thanks izzy smile I use to get excited over shoes and clothes, now it's a breast pump grin

My doctor gave me a repeat for thrush treatment because I've got it again angry twice in one month, just went to take it and checked the instructions that has do not take if pregnant or breastfeeding angry I'm not impressed

PetiteRaleuse Tue 22-Jan-13 22:08:55

Just back from A&E with LO. Slipped and fell early evening while carrying her. She whacked her head on the edge of the table as she fell, and whacked the back of her head on the wooden floor. But she's fine!! We called ambulance and were bluelighted in, seen immediately. But she's fine. I on the other hand have a bruised coccyx. But she's fine. Awful awful evening she cried so much of course. Felt so guilty. I don't know what I slipped on, the floor wasn't wet. Feel so guilty. Got to watch out for signs of concussion but she's sleeping happily now. I don't know if I'll ever sleep again though I might pass out from the pain

NotSoNervous Tue 22-Jan-13 22:12:22

Asda have a baby and toddler event on at the minute in case anyone didn't know, so r good offers on nappies and wipes

NotSoNervous Tue 22-Jan-13 22:13:46

shock petite that's awful. I'm glad your DDs okay, try and get some rest too and strong painkillers xx

PetiteRaleuse Tue 22-Jan-13 22:15:22

Oh I missed out on all the fun. I see however that upthread DD1 seems to have got hold of the iPad and done her first post. Great supervision DH

Sophiathesnowfairy Tue 22-Jan-13 22:17:12

Oh no pr I bet you feel a bit fragile now. Can Dh tuck you up and look after you?

Thanks nervous we have the table booked for tomorrow night, babysitter organised, all we need now is for no more snow and Olly to stay awake loads tomorrow so he goes down nicely, though don't think it would be a problem for the babysitter to have lots of cuddles anyway.

I am Bracknell gt usually takes us around 30 mins to get over to Southall and that's on a Friday night in the traffic. Defo up for a samosa/or coffee if you would rather(!) when the weather levels off a bit.

Passmethecrisps Tue 22-Jan-13 22:19:39

I did wonder why you were slightly less erudite than usual petite. Can DD1 read yet <worried we have scarred her for life emoticon>

I am also really sorry about another hospital visit for you. You just have no luck. Did you get any pain relief for you? What about LO? Would it be a bad idea in case of concussion?

Evilwater Tue 22-Jan-13 22:21:15

PR - I'm glad everything is ok. Must have been a huge shock, thinking of you and your LO. The first 24 is always the hardest.

Evil

PetiteRaleuse Tue 22-Jan-13 22:22:21

They gave her a paracetamol suppository and me a paracetamol pill. I'm not allowed nurofen so will make do and go to the Dr Thursday if no better. I feel awful. It could have been so much worse. Starting to think am cursed. Don't worry, DD1 can't read yet smile

TheDetective Tue 22-Jan-13 22:29:13

Oh bloody hell PR you poor bugger! Poor petitepetie! It is one of my biggest worries falling with the baby I am a natural clumsy bugger. You are both fine if you ignore your poor bum bone! though, that is the main thing. Lots of cuddles all around in the PR household!

If it makes you smile, you could be petitecock? petiteknob? Any choice on the petite theme really... grin.

BTW. You are the one to blame for me singing 'waddle waddle waddle' over and over and over. GRRRR! I'm sure it was you or was it chunky?! It was one of you buggers!!!!

TheDetective Tue 22-Jan-13 22:29:42

Petiteporker...?!

Kyzordz Tue 22-Jan-13 22:30:20

Oh no pr! Glad you're both ok though, hope you feel better soon bless you

Am feeding LO. Would've been due 11 but still awake and starting to get upset. If I'd have left him he would've fell asleep and not wanted food and then woke up at silly o clock!

TheDetective Tue 22-Jan-13 22:30:36

Up the bum paracetomol would have been better for you too!! Stingy buggers! Up the bum pain killers are soooooooo much better!

ValiumQueen Tue 22-Jan-13 22:32:31

Bloody hell PR your luck must change soon thanks wine I thought the post upthread was something rude I just did not get grin

MissMummy1 Tue 22-Jan-13 22:32:33

Oh heck PR - glad all okay! Sounds lime you need a medicinal brandy wine It's my biggest fear I stumble with Tilly as I'm so bloody clumbsy at the best of times!confused

All the fun she had with the lovely Jonas this afternoon has left her wired!! YW, my DP has been giving her a wee pep talk about not making short men feel bad. Chuffing hilarious! J is gorgeous btw!! grin

ValiumQueen Tue 22-Jan-13 22:36:32

PR is the way to go! I keep saying grin (Per Rectum? Up the bum?)

TheDetective Tue 22-Jan-13 22:37:04

My tall boys worry me as a short arse! DS1 is almost bigger than me, at 10. Feck. Oscar is set to be exactly the same! He was the same length at birth, and following the same heights that DS was at 4 weeks and 8 weeks! He is 62cm now. The lanky bugger!

I was a tall baby though, and I turned out at 5ft2. I just stopped growing at 11! Will be interesting to see what DS1 does as he is coming up to that height and will be 11 in 6 weeks!

TheDetective Tue 22-Jan-13 22:37:28

PR for PR!

ValiumQueen Tue 22-Jan-13 22:39:48

Exactly! finally

PetiteRaleuse Tue 22-Jan-13 22:42:50

I slipped with her on the ice yesterday and didn't fall and said to DH last night that falling with her was my worst nightmare and then it bloody well happened. I'm still a little bit in shock. In bed now and have some wine chilling for tomorrow night because I bloody well deserve it. Sooo lucky I fell backwards and dropped her at the last second. It would have been awful if had fallen forwards. My poor baby sad

PetiteRaleuse Tue 22-Jan-13 22:44:54

With the pain in my coccyx it will be a long while before anything goes PR grin

TheDetective Tue 22-Jan-13 22:49:54

You could always make double use of the wine?! Would be quite cooling me thinks!

PetiteRaleuse Tue 22-Jan-13 22:54:35

<Sings> waddle waddle waddle, til the very next day....

THAT, Detective, was for hinting there is any other use for lovely wine than for me to drink it. You'll never get that song out of your head.

BigPigLittlePig Tue 22-Jan-13 22:57:18

Oh pr that sounds awful you poor thing. Glad LO is ok. A friend of mine has a dd who is 14m old, and was in a sling on her front; she tripped over the kerb and went headfirst, luckily managed to not land on the baby but ruined her hands. Her dh just shrieked "have you squashed the baby?"

Have just put LO down in her crib, quickest transfer ever, not even a whimper. Could this be the start of something hmm?? <more crossing of fingers (and toes)>

TheDetective Tue 22-Jan-13 23:03:33

I just dug out DS1's growth charts - my boys are growing at almost exactly the same rate!!!!

DS1 8lb5oz and 55cm at birth. 5 wks 5 days, 11lb 5oz and 60cm.

DS2 6lb12oz and 55cm at birth. 5 wks 6 days 9lb13 and 60cm.

They both put 3lb on in the same time frame, though obviously DS1 is the heavier of the 2! And they are following the same height!

Glad I kept a record, as its interesting to look at! DS1 gained on average 1/2 a pound a week! Except between week 7 and 8 (for some reason I had him weighed 2 weeks in a row) when he put 1lb on! (Growth spurt much?!?!)

I'm not planning on getting Oscar weighed anywhere near as much as DS1. I didn't know how often I should take him back then, so took him every 2 weeks until 4 months when I took him monthly. I'll take Oscar once a month maximum, til 6 months, then 3 monthly.

Oh, has anyone else been given a 6 week HV appt at home? Or a 3-4 month one? I'm a little suspicious. As far as I know there are no such thing as home visits after the initial one. Wonder why.... hmm?! I told them they can't come anyway grin.

Kyzordz Tue 22-Jan-13 23:03:48

3 measly oz! Was there any point?!? Oh well, he's asleep now so am gonna try get a bit too! Wonder how long he'll go on three sodding ounces....

TheDetective Tue 22-Jan-13 23:08:13

Oh PR you barsteward!!! I'm gonna whisper it to DP as he falls asleep 2 seconds after we get in bed tonight. It'll be in his head aaaaaaaaaaaall night long grin.

Do you want my falling over story?! When DS1 was 10 months, I got one of those cheapy Mothercare Jive buggies, for ease of use on buses. First trip out, I stepped down a kerb when the front wheels (swivel ones) jammed and the whole thing tipped forwards, with me on top of it, in a fecking road. How nothing serious happened, I don't know, it was January and DS1 was all padded up thank frig.

Babies are more robust than we think though, as they don't tense like we do.

ValiumQueen Tue 22-Jan-13 23:10:05

Religion alert. Feel free to ignore.

PR was it yourself that was thinking of going to church? I meant to mention this before that nobody there should be annoyed by your personal beliefs or lack thereof. I hope they welcome you with open arms. I know for a fact that God will be pleased to see you there as He is a personal friend of mine. Hopefully you will meet a few people who you can become friendly with, and the children can make their own minds up about what they believe in their own sweet time.

ValiumQueen Tue 22-Jan-13 23:16:31

DS in cot in room asleep 11pm. VQ checking out, wishing everyone a good night, especially those who had a shitty night last night x

PetiteRaleuse Tue 22-Jan-13 23:17:00

grin Detective

yes VQ it was me. Am starting to think I might be cursed so maybe it would be a good idea. I'm spiritual but not conventionally religious. Won't do us any harm at any rate.

TheDetective Tue 22-Jan-13 23:21:56

Goodnight VQ! And I hope that sincerely!!

Izzybuzzybuzzybees Tue 22-Jan-13 23:22:45

We are upstairs feeding. Hoping for a good night as have a busy day ahead. Dd at nursery from 9am so I have a nice day planned. Got to get to the nursery for 9 tho that's the tricky part!!

GTbaby Tue 22-Jan-13 23:25:57

PR. big hugs.
Watching wire failed other night. So tonight I start dexter.

Soph samosa party it is. Will put u on my list. Anyone else interested in a west London meet up inbox me so we don't clutter up this thread. Will try sort it out for feb some time.

CandyPop Tue 22-Jan-13 23:43:59

Yikes pr ..... Must have been scary stuff. Glad it's not too serious

Damn it missed all the fun .......

Think I caught ANOTHER case of potential mastitis ! BUT massaged like mad and I think it has been unblocked. Temp has also come back down again to normal although that could be the paracetamol . Will have to see how I feel in the morning...
Right feed done , time to do transfer!

Night all!

ChunkyChicken Tue 22-Jan-13 23:44:46

Trying to decide whether to do a dream feed or not...

Anyway, off to bed I go.
Good night all.

StuntNun Wed 23-Jan-13 00:04:03

I have a HV appointment for March Detective so it's not just you.

Nervous my thrush cream said the same so I phoned the pharmacy and they said it was okay as it was 1%.

I second VQ as well PR. It's good to take your children to church and let them make their own minds up whether they want to keep going when they're older. I think there's a lot of education to be found there on a moral and a cultural level as well as on a spiritual level.

TheDetective Wed 23-Jan-13 00:20:13

Oh good stunt! grin feel less picked on now!

Canesten cream is fine when bf, I think the peasary is too. It's just the tablet you can't have. IIRC!

Oscar is a sleepy thing so far tonight. He slept from 8 and I woke him to feed at 930. He went back to sleep and DP kept hold of him til we came to bed. I put him in the basket and he wasn't arsed!

Me and DP have just been rolling round the bed singing the duck song! I'm sure Oscar is going to wake any moment and tell us to go the fuck to sleep!! grin.

Oscar is 2 months today. Happy 2 month birthday!

kirrinIsland Wed 23-Jan-13 00:32:05

Scary stuff pr Hope you are both ok xx

I was supposed to have another hv appointment, according to what was said last time, but I haven't heard anything about it since and I'm not going to chase it.

Good night everyone. Hope I don't see you till morning - and I mean that in the nicest possible way!!

TheDetective Wed 23-Jan-13 00:39:44

Can I just ask before I go to sleep!! does anyone enjoy sex more since having their babies?! blush

It sounds wrong but I feel better down below after a shag, and everything has been stretched!

ComradeJing Wed 23-Jan-13 00:40:15

Hi all smile

VQ I know your religion post wasn't aimed at me at all but responding anyway. DH is religious and as we've just moved into a new area he's persuaded me to join him at church on Sundays. Feeling very conflicted about it but at least it's getting me out the house and I'm actually meeting people. Dd has found a little friend too which is brilliant.

General wave to everyone. Almost lunchtime here and the weather has finally cooled down.

TheDetective Wed 23-Jan-13 00:41:12

Damn posted before I was finished! I'm quite numb down there and I think that's why it's ummmm, more pleasurable?! I'm not sure. Strange...! It's that nice feeling you get when you scratch a scar blush.

ComradeJing Wed 23-Jan-13 00:42:04

Detective I'd rather saw my own arm off than have sex right now. Tried once so far and it was hell. Thinking about having a bath in lube first trying again tonight but I'm really anxious about it.

TheDetective Wed 23-Jan-13 00:42:16

I need a fanny stretcher grin

TheDetective Wed 23-Jan-13 00:44:43

I just don't get how I can't do normal day to day stuff without aching and pains. But I can have a shag and feel better after it. Go figure... hmm. It wasn't comfortable for many months after DS1 and technically he was a sunroofer. Although I had an epis too so I suppose that didn't help. My body is confusing me!!

ComradeJing Wed 23-Jan-13 00:48:59

Fanny stretcher grin

It was the same- as in crap sex- with dd until I finished bfing.

ValiumQueen Wed 23-Jan-13 02:43:37

PR thinking of Jonah actually... The people who have hurt me most have professed to have a faith, and I tried to deny mine for 7 long years. It still works for me though.

comrade I hope you meet some kind folk.

detective a bum stretcher is what you need! Seriously, like with your fanny it may just help!

J slept exactly 3 hours. About to try to settle.I am having such cool dreams since I put him in his own room.

rowingdowntheriver Wed 23-Jan-13 03:13:30

pr, that sounds terrifying, so glad you are both relatively unharmed. I'm pretty sure you have used up your last dose of bad luck and life will be plain sailing now for ages.

Long witter re church...

I was brought up going to church / Sunday school until I was about 10 as my dad was really involved in our local church. We then moved south and never went again and at some point my dad became a humanist and atheist.

I don't know if it is related, and I am sure it is a pretty common / natural fear, but I have a huge fear of death. It has been worse after the birth of each DS (fear of their death, my death, my parents death, DH's death) that is with me a lot of the time and seems to taint a lot of positive things that happen in life. Eg, if my mum and DS1 have a lovely day together some part of me is thinking that she will die and then they won't have anymore days like that and I'll really really miss her. The fear faded a while after DS1's birth and is fading after DS2 but I'm still waiting for it to go back to a more normal level after DS2.

I googled what causes this fear and very often it is linked to a conflict / changing spiritual belief. I certainly have that - want to believe in something but can't believe in the church, then worry about going to hell for not believing.confused

Have considered joining the church locally as it is a big social thing for my friends in my street (as it helps get your kids into the better local schools) but feel hypocritical about going. Really don't know.

Right, having bored you all to sleep, I'm going to attempt the cot trf!

ChunkyChicken Wed 23-Jan-13 04:15:24

Last night, poonami so not sure if he genuinely needed a feed, tonight, 7hrs stretch as no dream feed. The 9hrs must have been a fluke. Dream feed for def tomorrow!!

PR shock glad you're ok-ish.

Pikz Wed 23-Jan-13 04:29:08

Ooohhh LO did down at 8pm, 11.30 and 4am!! Now let's hope he sleeps til 8.

GTbaby Wed 23-Jan-13 04:31:58

Naughty baby doesn't understand I need sleep.

StuntNun Wed 23-Jan-13 04:57:42

It isn't hypocritical to go to church if you aren't sure what you believe in Rowing. You can go to church to learn more about faith. It doesn't have to happen all at once like a bolt out of the blue, you can't easily nurture the seed of faith within you without being part of a church fellowship. It's normal for believers to have a crisis of faith in response to life changing events but that doesn't mean they stop going to church.

I don't understand the humanist movement at all. My friend had a humanist wedding and it seems to be a religion-substitute for atheists. Maybe I missed the point but I'm not certain why atheists need a social group of this type. I'm an atheist therefore I have not had my children christened or baptised. I don't see why I should substitute a humanist naming ceremony. To me that is having your cake and eating it, you don't want to participate in religion but you still want the social trappings associated with it.

Sorry about the early morning religious debate. The Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster is more my thing. It debunks creationism and explains global warming.

DH gave J a bottle for a dream feed at 10:30 last night and we're only on the second feed of the night with a good chance of him going until morning. Maybe that's something we should do more often as I felt like I was completely out of milk last night after an hour-long feed earlier in the evening.

kirrinIsland Wed 23-Jan-13 05:11:01

Up for the first feed of the night. Not bad going! But I'm doing a BF rather than a bottle, so we'll see how long it takes for her to re-settle. Might be up a while!.

rowing I also have that fear, although not about my own death. I find myself thinking too much of something happening to the DC in particular. I know what you mean about it tainting positive experiences, sometimes it can be a bit all-consuming, and for me it has got worse since my mum died, as that is my first experience of real grief and it's awful sad
I had assumed it was related to becoming a parent so it's interesting to see it can also be to do with a change in beliefs.

I thought N had properly gone to sleep while I was writing that, but she's just stirred so back to feeding for me! I have a feeling I'm going to wish I'd just given a bottle.....

CandyPop Wed 23-Jan-13 05:31:39

Whoop whoop just had 5hrs and 40 mins stretch in betweeb feeds! I think this is our first technical sleeping through the night!

Hmm we like our early morning debates! I'm an atheist but like rowing also have a fear of going to hell for not believing?!?! It doesn't really make sense does it as nob believing means not believing in such thing as hell! My thoughts are if I lived my life as good a person as a can and not hurt anyone, surely if there is such thing as god , when the time comes I still get to go to 'heaven' or any equivalent ?!?! If I get condemned to hell just for not believing although I haven't been a bad person then I think thats petty of 'god' and I wouldn't want to join that gang anyway. def will have a big debate with the big man upstairs on why I should be sent down rather than up ESP if some 'bad people' have been sent up just because they have asked for forgiveness ?! <did I just confirm my place in hell for saying that?! >

That's my piece on religion .... Now can I get more sleep?!

CandyPop Wed 23-Jan-13 05:32:30

Nob believing hehe I meant non believing!

Clarella Wed 23-Jan-13 06:02:09

catching up ...... on 5 pages of Willy talk!

Clarella Wed 23-Jan-13 06:18:51

...... which some how swung to religious talk?!

Clarella Wed 23-Jan-13 06:22:40

hope lo is ok this morning .pr?

cocked up night time by not effectively winding sad he's woken every 2 hours and then the last time whinged for 45 mins till we got the previous 5hours worth of wind up. bugger.

still, eve went better as we did all feeds in bedroom lights low etc - we were going to abandon the ebm bottle but dh snuck it in when he was calm. attempting transfer now, think will have a lie ij an stay in pjs all day....

Clarella Wed 23-Jan-13 06:25:00

oh I'd love to write all my thoughts about religion!

main on is though there's a big difference between religion and faith. a v Christian pal taught me that.

Clarella Wed 23-Jan-13 06:25:46

omg 4 posts in row!!! you're all sleeping grrrrr

PetiteRaleuse Wed 23-Jan-13 06:28:35

LO is fine this morning. I, however, am in agony. Am OK when sat, or when standing, or when lying. It's getting there which is the problem. Don't know how I am going to cope with the children today, I have no-one to help me. You see, if I went to church, I could call the priest and he could rally round some ladies to come and help. Or something.

PetiteRaleuse Wed 23-Jan-13 06:29:22

Her head is a bit of a funny shape though on one side. i guess like with forceps babies it'll just go back to normal?

ValiumQueen Wed 23-Jan-13 06:38:27

If I said DS woke at 2 and then at 6 would you believe me? As we get up at 6 that would be one night waking! He took 45 mins to feed and settle. This is after settling at 11 without CC, just self settling. No CC at all last night!

Very interesting views on religion. Particularly like the Nob believer and Flying Spaghetti Monster comments! I too have a fear of death, and dying. I would prefer assention. I also do not want to lose anyone I love. I also know I am not going to hell, which is nice. I know I am going to heaven, but want to postpone it as long as possible!

Off to start my day. Have a good one ladies x

ValiumQueen Wed 23-Jan-13 06:43:43

Oh dear PR sorry to hear!

clarella very true about religion and faith. What would your smutty name change be?

StuntNun Wed 23-Jan-13 06:46:08

DS2's head went like that PR from sleeping on his side all the time. I'm waiting for him to go bald to see whether it persisted. Paracetamol doesn't seem like much for that level of pain. Can you take Ibuprofen as well?

rowingdowntheriver Wed 23-Jan-13 06:49:34

kirrin, I'm so sorry that your mum has died.

I hadn't really linked the life changing event of having children with my fear getting worse but that would make sense. For me maybe it is the combination of the life changing event plus the lack of any spiritual certainty.

candy, the way you have described your religious philosophy is exactly how I feel about it!

stuntnun, I like your thinking about church, I'll stop feeling like a hypocrite for considering going when I don't believe in it!

I don't know much about humanists but I think they have ceremonies to celebrate the beauty of life itself and its important events. They just don't involve god in their celebrations. If that is what they are about, I kind of like the idea of it.

rowingdowntheriver Wed 23-Jan-13 06:58:37

Oh petite, you poor thing.

Paracetamol can be a great painkiller once you get on top of the pain and then take it regularly. Not so great for getting on top of it on the first place. Ibroprofen, like stuntnun said, may help? Or a hot water bottle? Good luck for getting through the day.

Yay to a good night sleep valium! DS2 has also slept much better tonight - not amazingly, but a huge improvement on the last week. As well as a proper feed at 2.30, he has had 2 feeds (one just now) where he woke up and fed for literally 2 minutes then went back to sleep. Weird.

ValiumQueen Wed 23-Jan-13 07:27:02

Glad things are improving rowing I think PR has an allergy to Brufen.

PR could you get up-the-bum paracetamol? Much more effective. Hope you soon feel better.

PetiteRaleuse Wed 23-Jan-13 07:30:29

Afraid the last time I took an anti inflammatory, just after DD1's birth my stomach haemorraged and I almost died (almost, you see I am lucky hmm ) so I am off anti inflammatories for life.

Which brings me nicely onto the subject of death. I was about as close as you can get without actually dying. It really is nothing to be frightened of - I remember fighting for a moment, and panicking, and then suddenly relaxing and allowing it to happen. A few bits of images went through my mind, which I can still remember very vividly indeed. I am more frightened now of it than when it was staring me in the face. But only because I don't want to leave my children or just daughter as it was then, and husband. That idea, ad how close it got, has haunted me ever since, day in and day out. But the actual dying? Nothing easier.

Waking up on life support tied down to the bed and massive tubes down my throat breathing for me? Far far far scarier.

PetiteRaleuse Wed 23-Jan-13 07:31:47

VQ i can't get to the pharmacy unfortunately. DH is hoping to not be too late tonight so maybe he will be able to go and get me some if it is still open.

TheDetective Wed 23-Jan-13 07:34:12

Well blow me down with a feather. I can't sleep because I'm so excited! DP woke up when Oscar wanted a feed shock I woke 2 minutes before him though!! without me kicking him or prodding him!! He just woke, sat up, then got a bottle. Bloody hell. Talk about swapping the baby, someone swapped my DP!!

We did 9.30-6 last night. The previous nights are forgiven. grin

I stayed awake through DP feeding and taught him the art of the successful basket transfer hmm so now I'm awake while everyone else is asleep. Including DS1 who should be up right about now...!

PetiteRaleuse Wed 23-Jan-13 07:36:41

Wow Detective your DP is making progress smile

Waddle waddle waddle

TheDetective Wed 23-Jan-13 07:37:23

Jeez PR surely you are due some good luck now?? That sounds bloody terrifying. You're a brave woman! I'd be a quivvering wreck for sure!!

TheDetective Wed 23-Jan-13 07:39:29

YOU FUCKER!!!!

Off to poke DP and do same grin.

TheDetective Wed 23-Jan-13 07:40:54

Poke in the sense of in the arm. Nothing smutty grin. I know how some people's minds work!!

kirrinIsland Wed 23-Jan-13 07:46:32

Wow - it seems a few of us had a decent night last night smile

petite not so good for you sad any chance of DH staying home today?

Thanks rowing

Well, N has drifted back off. I'm tempted to do the same but I might as well get up, I suppose.

PetiteRaleuse Wed 23-Jan-13 07:46:58

I don't know. Maybe I am lucky. I broke my back without any long term damage. I miscarried but went on to have a really healthy girl. I survived the stomach issue beyond all hope, even the doctors didn't think I'd pull through after the stomach surgery. At my early scan with LO there was no heartbeat and I was told to prepare myself for the worst, but then two weeks later there was one, and here she is. And then yesterday I dropped her on her head and she is gigglîg as if it never happened. So maybe I am lucky. Or cursed. Or lucky. I don't know.

PetiteRaleuse Wed 23-Jan-13 07:48:31

No kirrin I'm afraid he has gone to work. He says he may be able to get home early though. Sorry about your mum x

TheDetective Wed 23-Jan-13 07:58:13

Cursed and lucky in equal measures?!

PetiteRaleuse Wed 23-Jan-13 07:59:43

Dunno. I do long for a boring, healthy life where nothing much happens though.

ValiumQueen Wed 23-Jan-13 08:02:17

PR clearly the good Lord has a purpose for your life wink

Sophiathesnowfairy Wed 23-Jan-13 08:17:29

Morning all.

What I love about you lot is that we can go from willy talk to religion in less than 12 hours!

I suspect pr after all that that perhaps you are being looked after, just not by church ladies! I also have God in my quiche. I have had none of my DCs Christened, they must make up there own minds and come to it by themselves. I could not have got through the last years, mums death (with you on that kirrin nothing can prepare you <hugs>)and my divorce without my church community. I will miss it when I move to NI as I don't suspect it will be quite the same.

detective your DP is advanced for 8 weeks, I hope you have marked down this milestone!!!

Clarella Wed 23-Jan-13 08:21:46

oh that's awful pr - could dh stay today? bruised cocyxs are horrid.

kirrin I missed your post about your mum - so sorry. <hugs>

my mn name is crap - can't do anything with it! I do have another up my sleeve which is my favourite oil paint colour but then I'd confuse people.

grr - the bottle of ebm I blearily saw dh give was formula! he said he did it cos he thought lo needed it now and ebm was too cold! I don't want ti go down that route - at least not yet - and .hr knows it! and anyway I think it sounds like lo needed winding not feeding as he fell asleep in seconds and had hardly any! if I can bank some sleep today am seriously considering doing all the feeds (.bf) all night to see if we get a better night cos I'm suspicious now of dhs winding efficacy (or aibu) (probably)

Sophiathesnowfairy Wed 23-Jan-13 08:22:40

I have swished an swiped
Emptied the wishdosher
Made the bed
Rebooted the laundry
Got dressed
Make up
(No hair as I am going to the hairdressers so that would be silly)

Not necessarily in that order.

Am I Fly?

Clarella Wed 23-Jan-13 08:24:29

what you say about near death pr I found strangely comforting - about it being easy. you are one tough cookie

PetiteRaleuse Wed 23-Jan-13 08:24:50

Do you have a shiny sink? If the sink's not shiny you ain't Fly.

Clarella Wed 23-Jan-13 08:26:25

have you given lo away Sophia envy

George just giggled in his sleep grin was lovely

horseylady Wed 23-Jan-13 08:26:51

No. Sleep. Here.

Poor chap was hysterical. Eventually decided it must be pain related and gave him some Calpol. At 4am. He then fed and went off to sleep. He woke at 7 and sounds full if cold so I wonder if he's got what I've had/got. Any matchsticks needed today.

Erm church debate - I don't go often. I've never been to my local church but we did go Sunday and I went to a group last Tuesday. As always, everyone very friendly and welcoming. Ds is being christened there next month and I'm impressed with how set up for kids they are. To be honest, I don't think you need to go to church every Sunday. I don't think you need to go at all. I think you just need to treat people as you want to be treated. Ken follet has written two superb novels (which were then made into tv shows!) and if you ever fancy reading about religion a few hundred years ago via a story book then I really recommend pillars of the earth and the work without end. They are mammouth books but brilliant ones!! If not then read fingersmith. Nothing to do with religion but a surprisingly good book smile

Right busy day ahead. Need to book our holiday for Easter!

horseylady Wed 23-Jan-13 08:31:27

Pr - I've spent some time in end of life care. People die in different ways. Strangely, my mother in law Faught death to her last breath. Which I found odd. She gave up living months before then when it was too late started fighting? And she was scared.

My mum though had a near death experience and was strangely calmed by it.

If I didn't do the job I do I'd definitely work in end if life. Or produce horses!!

Sophiathesnowfairy Wed 23-Jan-13 08:31:42

No. He is here on my knee clarella

I was awake at 6 got dressed before everyone else woke up, got DS2 ready for nursery and dispatched him an DH and got on with it.

I now have to gather up the obscene amount of bottles we have amassed over the snowy weekend and take them too the bottle bank. confused

I think am having an adrenalin rush because of my hot date tonight! grin

Sophiathesnowfairy Wed 23-Jan-13 08:32:17

pr it is it is!!!!

horseylady Wed 23-Jan-13 08:32:25

World without end.

Dixiebell Wed 23-Jan-13 08:33:06

Another snow day. Fed up now. I have already completely lost it with ds1, sad shouted at him like a crazy lady. He wasn't even being that naughty, just generally moaning, asking for more Peppa, and saying no to everything. Standard stuff. Think it's the thought of 12 hours ahead stuck inside with more of the same.

Clarella Wed 23-Jan-13 08:42:16

I can get v annoyed with religion. same pal who pointed out difference between religion and faith was part of a big evangelistic church here. she was desperately trying to get me into it plus I was seeing a guy who's family were very in it too (though he had stopped) so I got to know a lot of people. due to being with this guy I then also heard about all the cheating and sleeping about that was going on amongst the lads while the girls thought them pure etc. it did my head in. the church collapsed in the end due to the main pastor cheating. so I had an extremely good example of the difference between faith and religion.

however - there was an amazing community of people who looked out for on another. I grew up in the peak district and was dragged to the cold damp church, fell asleepdduring sermons and would try singing hymns backwards for fun. however the local(ish -many hills between us) kids got together and formed a little orchestra - so we all got to know one another - and the church based stuff eg harvest festival dance etc was the one time you'd see everyone in the parish - plus the welldressing (Google it -I did wormhills year 2000 one) had us all in a barn till midnight for a week every last week in august. a pagan thing the church adopted grin

basically some religion good, some bad. I see it's anthropological purpose and have a little faith myself but not really in a specified way - Quakers make a lot of sense to me except I like new shoes too much to be one (though the days of shoe buying for me are over!!)

PetiteRaleuse Wed 23-Jan-13 08:43:17

Sympathy Dixie . DD1 is throwing stuff on the floor coz she has already worked out I can't bend down to pick up. Like I need to slip on something again.

Sophiathesnowfairy Wed 23-Jan-13 08:44:14

pr I just put a picture of my Shiney sink on fb, but then wondered whether you are on the fb group?

PetiteRaleuse Wed 23-Jan-13 08:45:38

I am. I'll go and look. I'd put mine up but haven't done it today. Am having a day off housework.

TheTiger Wed 23-Jan-13 08:45:49

Jealous of all of you having lovely long sleeps envy

Here, DS had a feed at 22.00, went straight to sleep after and woke at 1.15, fed and again straight to sleep. Then he woke at 4 am screeching for no apparent reason. Got him back to sleep at 4.20 then he was up again crying at 4.40. Back to sleep within 10 mins then awake and fed at 5.30 am. He decided that was waking up time!! He's currently snoozing on my knee, little terror. I have to keep him upright for 30 mins after each feed as well (reflux) so I'm up for an hour with each feed!

Anyone else who's baby s around 14 weeks and FF? He was taking 5-6 oz every 4-5 hours but has dropped to 4oz, sometimes only 3 oz, every 3-4 hours. He was on C&G comfort (for colic) but I changed him back to normal C&G 10 days ago, that's when he reduced his feeds. I'm just worried he's not getting enough. He takes about 24 oz a day, according to the milk box he should be on 30 oz. he's a big boy as well, 75th centiles for weight and length.

TheTiger Wed 23-Jan-13 08:47:09

Sorry, long rambling post and didn't actually get to my point: those of you who's babies are similar age and FF, how much milk do they take?

Sophiathesnowfairy Wed 23-Jan-13 08:50:17

I would have a day off as much as poss if I were you. Xx

fruitpastilles Wed 23-Jan-13 08:54:36

Hi all!
Dd is a November 2012 baby and I'd like to join you all! It's nice to have a bit of support from people who know exactly where you are comin from, and to be able to support others! Dd is 10 weeks old now and 'coming on a treat' as my mom keeps saying (she's not a plant mother!) So I hope you all don't mind me butting in now and again smile

PetiteRaleuse Wed 23-Jan-13 09:02:52

Welcome Fruit I hope you have lots of time to catch up on threads, we are moderately chatty smile

Tiger LO is your LO's age and has days where she eats as little as 480ml so 16oz to days like Monday where she drinks 720ml soabout 24oz. She's never deunk more than that and she is 50th centile. I think like us they vary.

StuntNun Wed 23-Jan-13 09:03:26

Welcome to the gang Fruit.

Are you dressed to your shoes Sophia? That's one Fly thing I never do, I only put my shoes on when I'm leaving the house.

J is in his cot fighting sleep. I have someone coming to view the house tomorrow for the first time since e was born so I really need some time to get the place tidied up unruined.

horseylady Wed 23-Jan-13 09:07:42

Tiger ff and 12.5 weeks has 5-6oz at 7, then 8oz at 11,3,6.30 then anything from 5-8 oz at 10pm. Currently waking at 4 and having 4oz. Sometimes he doesn't eat all 8oz so prob has 7 on average. He's growth spurting ATM so eats tonnes during this time. The hv seemed to think he should be putting on more weight than he was but he never stops moving unless sleeping. And he moves enough then. He's about 13lb.

Im actually worried he'll be having two bottles a feed by the time he's 5 months!! I don't mind. He's very healthy!!

I wouldn't take his volumes of feed as normal though!! I was told 150-200ml per kg body weight. He's weighs about 6kg so will eat anywhere between 900 and 1200ml. 8oz is about 220ml. I think he prob has about 1litre a day sometimes more...

horseylady Wed 23-Jan-13 09:15:21

Ps he's 30th centile weight 70th height!!

PetiteRaleuse Wed 23-Jan-13 09:18:43

I only ever got as far as shiny sink, no shoes. Slippers though, but I'm binning them as I just slipped again (didn't fall and no babe in arms) It was the crappy marks and sparks slippers that started falling apart after two weeks post delivery. crap. Am sure thay used tobe good quality.

Thinking of my purpose vq could i be destined to write a cut the crap parenting guide?