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November 2012 - By 'eck we can talk

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StuntNun Mon 21-Jan-13 12:47:27
PetiteRaleuse Mon 21-Jan-13 13:35:17

We can indeed. Marking place.

ValiumQueen Mon 21-Jan-13 13:53:40

<<squats, and leaves>>

PurplePidjin Mon 21-Jan-13 13:57:07

I'll put my comment here then...

BigPig, with dp in hospital for an indefinite stay (thankfully only a week in the end) and only able to visit for 2 hours a day because R got grumpy in the evenings, I did pop him in the sling and get on with it. The nurses thought it was fab!

MadamGazelleIsMyMum Mon 21-Jan-13 13:58:00

<waves at empty thread>

TooManyDicksOnTheDancefloor Mon 21-Jan-13 14:13:17

Marking place grin

ChunkyChicken Mon 21-Jan-13 14:42:42

So very hungry. 3 custard cream & 2 half burnt & slightly soggy because our oven is shit small banana muffins do not a breakfast & lunch make.

pikz Mon 21-Jan-13 15:04:46

Waves a pooooonarmi covered arm

BigPigLittlePig Mon 21-Jan-13 16:28:40

PP as LO was early, I had worked all day on the day she was born. Being too lazy to finish all my jobs, I had left a thankfully small number of undelegatable jobs for after the weekend. Before we went home from labour ward I had to pop up to my ward to do said jobs. Needless to say, lo I attracted quite the audience of elderly lady patients, who had been chatting about my bump and its contents for some time!

PennieLane Mon 21-Jan-13 16:38:49

Marking spot.

Marking place

daisychain76 Mon 21-Jan-13 17:24:13

Marking place. bigpig sorry if l‘ve missed it, but how early was your LO?

ValiumQueen Mon 21-Jan-13 17:50:17

BP that is commitment for you! Make sure you claim it as time owing! I would not have done that.

blonderthanred Mon 21-Jan-13 18:00:10

Hello new thread...

Kyzordz Mon 21-Jan-13 18:21:51

Marking place and hoping to catch up with end of last bleddy thread before the day is out!

GTbaby Mon 21-Jan-13 18:46:27


BigPigLittlePig Mon 21-Jan-13 18:56:39

daisy she was 5 weeks early. Was going to work up til 38 weeks so thought I had lots of time left blush

NotSoNervous Mon 21-Jan-13 19:06:25

Marks place <<waves>>

daisychain76 Mon 21-Jan-13 19:47:22

Aw, l bet that was a shock then BP!

PetiteRaleuse Mon 21-Jan-13 20:04:28

Early bed for me. DH is doing the evening shift. I am knackered after DD1's naughtiness all afternoon and early evening. She's normally very good, but today she found all my buttons and pushed them, repeatedly. Can't believe just three weeks ago she was on oxygen in hospital. Kids get better sooo fast. She has also put back on the 2 kg she lost.

MissMummy1 Mon 21-Jan-13 20:31:03

I just exploded custard in the microwave shock ! Dammit, I must really not ignore the diet thread...

ValiumQueen Mon 21-Jan-13 20:35:47

izzy very impressed indeed! I do not think you can over feed a bf baby. If he were FF, then he could possibly be seen as a bit piggy. DD2 was vast! She was 10lb 3 born, and remained a fattie, but is now on 50th percentile. They all balance out. I would rather have a chunkier baby than have the pressure of having one that does not gain.

blonder that is an encouraging weight gain. Are you feeling happier about things? I seem to recall he was a bit bunged up following the introduction of a top up. About the bedside cot - it was just a regular cot attached to the bed. Perhaps if I had got a proper one it would have been better for me.

PR sorry, I meant to ask how you were. I empathise with the troublesome older sibling. Mine has been such a rascal today too. Funny thing is, when she drives me to distraction, I think of your DD and how poorly she was and how much you missed her smile

DS just inhaled some milk and screamed the house down once he started breathing again. I did the blowing on his face, which worked. Poor little chap. DH came running into the nursery looking ever so worried.

I say nursery. It resembles the picture of GT s nursery on FB - the before picture - except the cot is assembled.

Definitely growth spurt here, now I can see the wood for the trees.

GTbaby Mon 21-Jan-13 20:59:09

Aww chunky. What a lovely post to end the last thread on thanks

Izzybuzzybuzzybees Mon 21-Jan-13 21:06:23

I am a bit concerned about the weight but I've been told many times like you say vq you can't overfeed a BF baby although I sometimes wonder! He doesn't seem to feed excessively so I guess its ok. HV no concerns either. The only problem is growing out of clothes so bloody quickly!!!

BigPigLittlePig Mon 21-Jan-13 21:08:27

LO has finally nodded off after being awake for 4 hours. I was looking for these sleep cues I keep reading about, and even got as far as her dozing off in her bouncer until the hoover handle bit fell over onto the wooden floor angry. That was that. Cue much hysterical overtired screaming.

daisy shock is one word for it! vq sadly won't get the time back but it's taught me a bloody good lesson to not be a lazy sod

DonnaDoon Mon 21-Jan-13 21:14:38

Hello everyone..marking place...AGAIN. I love reading all your posts daily..even if I've not got much to say myself.

Kyzordz Mon 21-Jan-13 21:18:16

Sounds like you've had a barrel of laughs pr! I bet they all have days like that though, all mini persons I know of are/were quite capable of being menaces!

izzy and I thought my LO was a big chap lol! Not quite on par with yours!! The way I see it though is if they've a little extra, they can afford to lose it when ill. Not encouraging overweight babies at all, just that it seems better to perhaps be a touch over rather than under iyswim.

VQ it's scary stuff isn't it? I'm lying here listening to LO breathe and feel I'm back to the mess I was when he was very small and I couldn't sleep in case something happened to him. Logic is telling me he was wide awake and choked on water, not asleep and struggling for no reason, but my head is pounding and I feel edgy since earlier. I'm glad J is ok, it seems to scare the life out of them, the poor mites!

Thankyou rowing for your comment on the previous thread, I did see it but the thread ran out.

Plan on waking LO up at 11pm at the latest for a last feed because I'd rather not wake at silly o clock again! DP has left for work, literally just, and Eric is wide awake now. Bugger.

GTbaby Mon 21-Jan-13 21:23:04

Ok. Feel a little more chilled out.

So AIBU ? FYI I'm not H last night said its better for us to decorate nursery when we come bk from India. We don't go for 5 weeks. There is nothing else more urgent that needs doing ATM. And I don't want to wait 10 weeks! He has already been putting it off since LO was born.

If we paint now. LO can carry on sleeping with us until paint smell fades.
If we paint after India LO will be too big for crib so we will have to move cotbed into our room. Leaving little space.
He wants to set up cotbed. Get LO sleeping in there now. But I think then disrupting him after India will cause us problems. I feel like once he is moved into his room we stick with it.

H reasoning. Pil will still be in India so won't interfere. Comments like why r u changing the curtains. But pil know we plan to paint. N we have had no comments about that. So y not just go ahead with that part? So the hard part is done.

Ps H has form on this. I moved in over 2 years ago and still haven't redecorated our bedroom as promised before I moved in. Grr.

He was being a dick this morning. But I broke n got in bed sobbing so he quietly took LO away.
Then again, being a prick , about LO crying N I walked out of the room. Told him I was having a shower n he could deal with LO however he wanted. Felt bad for LO hmm but figured TOUGH I need a shower I can b selfish for once.

Ok feed time shock

TheDetective Mon 21-Jan-13 21:28:21

eBay is shit. All that work for £23 then paypal and eBay take a good old chunk of it. As my favourite saying goes... Fuck that shit!!

Kyzordz Mon 21-Jan-13 21:31:04

Sounds like you might aswell get the decorating done now gt surely moving cotbed about room to room n rushing to do it after India is more work n hassle than necessary?

Sophiathesnowfairy Mon 21-Jan-13 21:35:49

Sorry you have had a bad day pr enjoy your downtime.

daisychain76 Mon 21-Jan-13 21:42:16

Does sound sensible to decorate first. GT. If my. dh is dragging his feet l tell him l am organising someone to come in andd do it. He hates the thought of that and gets in with it!

I am on about 10th night of trying to put H down to sleep at 7/7.30. Which means sitting feeding him til 9.30/10 in our bedroom. l have TV on rreally quietly to stop me going insane but lights low, switch TV off andd Ewan on when l put him in cot. He has bath, story with dcs and in grobag. What else can l do??? He us 17 weeks, 10 corrected, so surely he doesn‘t need so much cluster feeding. l really want my evenings back!

Evilwater Mon 21-Jan-13 21:42:46

Well, we can talk!
I live near Plymouth, if anyone's for a meet up. I also have a car.

LO is sleeping in his own room, in his own cot, and slept through the night OMG!!!! My sister helped with bath time last night and it was so much better. He only screamed half the time he normally does grin.

Went to a baby club, and he boldly well slept through that too! Shame so many babies, he would have loved to show off.


Passmethecrisps Mon 21-Jan-13 21:43:36

Is it normal for baby wee to smell like beef crisps?

YellowWellies Mon 21-Jan-13 21:45:48

That ranks as the most random sentence I've seen typed on here pass! smile

Sophiathesnowfairy Mon 21-Jan-13 21:47:41

gt I agree with kyz however you need to decide if it is worth arguing over? It may be. But it might not be worth the hassle as you are the one who will end up getting stressed out about it. Obviously if you need to put the cot bed up and it doesn't go through doors, which most don't I don't think, then you could just stress to H, calmly, that he will have to put it up, take it down and put it up again and wouldn't it just be easier for him to sort out the room and be done with it.

I walked, in the snow, 40 mins each way, with double buggy and bulging changing bag, to mums and toddlers today. Hardly anyone else turned up which was nice actually.

My right leg might fall off though.

kirrin and someone else who was thinking about the Mirena, in desperation I started a thread in Health/ family planning, begging for positive experienes. I got loads of responses and feel better about it. Have a look. I will try to link.

Sophiathesnowfairy Mon 21-Jan-13 21:49:52

passi will check when I do the 10pm nappy changehmm

Passmethecrisps Mon 21-Jan-13 21:53:22

grin but it's true. P's pee smells like beef crisps.

rowingdowntheriver Mon 21-Jan-13 21:56:58

Another thread?! Already?! Will be back at some ridiculous time to chat!

kissyfur Mon 21-Jan-13 22:08:44

Caught up on last thread, now gonna start on this one..,

Good news about your DS blonder smile

finally got somewhere with getting some proper treadment for LOs reflux today, saw a lovely doctor who prescribed domperidone and ranitidine. LO had to be weighed for the dosage to be worked out, she's 13.5lb at 9 weeks, my little chunk grin

I've a good mind to complain about the doctor we saw last time who said any other meds than gaviscon had to be prescribed by a specialist! Glad I went back for a second opinion

pikz Mon 21-Jan-13 22:14:09

Now intrigued about beef crisps.

Bedtime for me. See you at the first feed.

On the mirena, I had a good experience apart from the weight gain and if I didn't want another in the next couple of years I would have one again. Weight gain manageable just harder work.

In that vain doc wants me on cezette mini pill...anyone else on it?

Sophiathesnowfairy Mon 21-Jan-13 22:15:22

Right pass I'm going in for a sniff...........

ChunkyChicken Mon 21-Jan-13 22:21:02

Trying to decide what to do tomorrow. Car completely covered in snow, so will be a PITA to dig out with the 2DC around and I'm on my own. Also the snow shovel and salt etc are no doubt in the garage at the end of the garden, so its all a big palaver. But there is nothing to do in (easy) walking distance from my house. I could return DS's too big cot mattress and somehow walk it around to the post office and maybe take dd to the library. Desperately need to get out but it is such a hassle.... Grr.

GT thank you - didn't realise it was the last post. He is such a smiley, happy content baby. I am blessed. Dd was the same - chilled and happy to be cuddled by anyone!!
Don't get stressed about the room. Does your DH want to get LO in his own room before you go to India? Surely its easier to decorate with no furniture in it? But I like daisy's suggestion smile

Kyzordz Mon 21-Jan-13 22:21:51

LOL sophia!! Have odd image of you with a face full of soggy nappy! Not that I know what you look like but still!

I'll have a sniff too, waiting for LO to wake, he's farting like a trooper but nothing else just yet!

TheDetective Mon 21-Jan-13 22:22:02

I farted and it made me almost cry. In pain, nothing else!! Seriously. It felt what I can only imagine being rammed up the arse with a cattle prod might feel like.

Sick of it.

Whinge a lot, sorry! Still, on the bright side, today I did the school run in the snow. Travelled 7 miles. Only 25 kids made it in. I thought
I was great going to all that effort. Ds1 hated me grin. I believe his teacher gave him extra maths sheets to work on mwhahaha!!

My mum was the only head in the county to open the school today! Crazy woman was out at 7.30 digging a path to the school!

Also, I left Oscar with DP for the school run and I was gone for a good 90 minutes. When I left they were asleep. When I got home they were awake and Oscar was feeding. Now. This means that the fucking bastard DOES wake up when he cries. I'm not having that he doesn't!! He clearly did when I wasn't bloody there to do it! Oh and to make me feel even better, DP did the feed at 5am, and spent 2 hours feeding followed by begging Oscar to sleep haha! I felt not one ounce of guilt as I lay there pretending to be asleep. grin

You've been busy I see in my absence today! Will endeavour to catch up properly tomorrow! It's jabs day though so not holding out much hope! And DP is in work so it's all down to me!!

ChunkyChicken Mon 21-Jan-13 22:22:38

Oh and excellent news blonder glad the weight is going in the right direction.

ValiumQueen Mon 21-Jan-13 22:28:42

pass did you do a pg test? Morning sickness and now strange smells?

I am back on my correct side of the bed now cot is gone. If I hear J cry DH may well end up with a nipple in his gob before I realise. I think he is hoping so.

NotSoNervous Mon 21-Jan-13 22:29:52

Does anyone feed there LOs to sleep?

PennieLane Mon 21-Jan-13 22:30:35

That's brilliant blonder! Glad all the expressing/top ups worked!

VQ, I think having one bottle definitely helps. Well done on dismantling, fingers crossed for a good night for you soon!thanks

I've just started on Cezette today as rec by GP, will let you know how I find it. Wanted the coil but surgery doesn't do it and CBA with the hassle of arranging it. Will see how pill goes.

ValiumQueen Mon 21-Jan-13 22:33:20

Detective how many items for that amount, and how much money did you end up with? Sorry, just being nosy. Sorry about your arse. Perhaps a bit of bum sex would help? Loosen things up a bit?

TheDetective Mon 21-Jan-13 22:35:05

I had cerazette before had Oscar. Fab contraception. Just like the implant! I never wanted sex. Ever!!

I need to ovulate to feel like a normal human! Hormones don't treat me well!

I wish they did, it would be soooooooo much easier then!!

YellowWellies Mon 21-Jan-13 22:36:13

Great news kissy reflux has really opened my eyes to how so many (male' late middle aged / elderly) docs know jack sh*t about baby health and care even less about their pain sad many seem very misogynistic dismissing the condition as the figment of silly womens' imaginations. Grrrr makes me so cross!

It sounds like you're onto a good combo there tho if BF you might find that all domperidone does is create lots more poo and a starving baby ( it flushes stomach contents through quicker which can be useful if FF as formula can linger for hours in the stomach) - a day or so on it and you'll know if its helping or hindering.

If that combo isn't working try ranitidine on its own then go for omeperazole and / or diet eliminations. Good luck hon - once you get on the right meds you'll have your baby back to their cute little self within days. It is amazingly quick and wonderfully heartening to see them bounce back.

Now you're on ranitidine thankfully it'll be easier to get omeperazole and to generally be taken more seriously by docs.

ValiumQueen Mon 21-Jan-13 22:36:23

lane thank you.

nervous yes. Or at least I am trying to stop doing so. Worked fine with the girls. Fed them to sleep, popped in cot, woken to smiles the next morning. Easy. Not so with the one with a penis.

Evilwater Mon 21-Jan-13 22:39:02

Detective- glad to hear your DP is bucking up.

Yellow willies welcome back!

Gt they only way LO room got painted was he paid a painter. I was getting very big and it was the only holiday I had and I started to paint. P didn't like that, so I said "are you going to do it?" He didn't but paid a painter. Much easier and hassle free, and he did a much better job then i could ever do. Apparently I cheated P out of his money. he wants me to pay for LO stuff at the mo. the bastard.

Boiler man came today, a valve has gone in a pump. He's not sure if he can get the bit, so it might be a new pump! P did his usual trick of taking charge.


TheDetective Mon 21-Jan-13 22:40:23

I'll consider bum sex. Not with DP. I'll find a smaller one for that grin.

Erm, one bundle of 2 babygrows, 2 top/bottoms and bibs. Most of that was bnwt. One bundle of 2 leggings and matching tshirt. 2 bundles of 3 babygrows (the next ones that come in packs of 3), then some individual outfits mostly next. And a pair of bootees. Some of the outfits were a bloody bargain! Went for 99p and they had been worn once or not at all! And I've been very careful anal about washing them to make sure they stay in perfect condition! I've never managed to get a current season next outfit for 99 bloody p grrrr!!

TheDetective Mon 21-Jan-13 22:43:00

Put it this way, I sent 10 parcels today. I spent about 5-6 hours washing, ironing, taking pics, listing and revising them a million times as I kept getting it wrong as it was so confusing packaging and going to post office.

YellowWellies Mon 21-Jan-13 22:43:42

grin VQ 'bum sex' titter smile oooooh I've missed you ladies cheering me up during our house move! New rented house is fab but tiny - we've started house hunting - I can't wait for more spaaaaaaaace. On the plus side DH has just got a v good pay rise so much so I nearly fell over when I saw how much the computer claims the bank would lend us! shock

Evilwater Mon 21-Jan-13 22:45:16

I'm on the cerazette pills, I want to come off them, or change them. I got no sex drive at all, and I feel cold all the time. I've also put on a ton of weight despite trying to lose it.
I need to see the drs.

Evi l

BigPigLittlePig Mon 21-Jan-13 22:45:30

Pikz I was on cerezette for a few years - worked well for me other than causing a few spots but thats more manageable than the hormonal witch I was on the combined pill and after a few months of irregular but light bleeds I had no periods for the duration grin I need to go back on it but no point as can't put LO down for long enough to have even a quick grope let alone dtd.

LO tricked me earlier, wasn't asleep at all but had merely stopped sucking. She has continued feeding ever since. Have retreated to bed with laptop.

evil I would be keen for a meet up, am in Taunton so not sure how far you are (geography not my strong point and CBA to google it as too much effort one handed - sorry)

pass no crisp aromas here!

TheDetective Mon 21-Jan-13 22:46:27

I did the nursery. Easier. For him and me! It's not his forte...! I've done loads of painting over the last 11 years. He has done none!

Yellow willies... I think you should change your name to that wink!

Evilwater Mon 21-Jan-13 22:46:59

Yellow awesome on the money! Pleas send us links to the houses you like so I can sit and use my judgey pants. wink


Kyzordz Mon 21-Jan-13 22:48:00

First night alone, wee everywhere!!! Eek! Not thinking it smells like crisps though!

TheDetective Mon 21-Jan-13 22:48:10

I love a bit of house porn!!!

TheDetective Mon 21-Jan-13 22:49:46

Pass is really letting the crisps get to her grin

For what it's worth sometimes I've smelled strong urine that's been on a nappy for a few hours and I can kinda see what you mean! It does have a distinctive smell!

Evilwater Mon 21-Jan-13 22:50:31

Big, sounds good. Do you have a car? Could we meet half way?

BigPigLittlePig Mon 21-Jan-13 22:50:59

I spent many happy hours partaking in house porn whilst pregnant, culminating in our possibly foolish house move 5 days before LO was born.

MissMummy1 Mon 21-Jan-13 22:52:13

Evil I am shocked and appauled. You were looking for a reason to leave the bastard him, resenting his child is it. The only thing that has saved my DP from some of his arsey moments is the fact he absolutely dotes on DD (and he quickly realises when he's being a twat to me!) Seriously lovely, lots of hugs to you - I can't imagine what a horrible situation you are in. sad thanks xxx

Woohoo on payrise YW - DP has been offered a payrise too (although not of epically jaw dropping proportions and he's haggling for a much bigger increase before agreeing to take on management of bigger boat) but enough to ease my crappy MA worries (slightly!)

BigPigLittlePig Mon 21-Jan-13 22:52:37

Evil I do have a car - where is halfway? blush

Evilwater Mon 21-Jan-13 22:55:25

Mm1 - he's better than he used to be. He is making an effort, and that shows that he wants to be with us. It will be a slow road, and a very fecking long one. wink

Big- half way would be Exeter.

BigPigLittlePig Mon 21-Jan-13 22:57:05

There's someone else who's in Exeter, is it madam?


Evilwater Mon 21-Jan-13 22:59:12

Big- fed, clean nappy, over tired, lonely, and wind. Are my top reason why LO won't sleep.


BigPigLittlePig Mon 21-Jan-13 23:01:01

It must be overtiredness as she's been awake so long, and it's none of the others. Am at a loss what to do though, as she's swaddled, on my chest, in the dark. At least she's stopped screaming for now

Evilwater Mon 21-Jan-13 23:05:02

I feel for you BIG.
Night all.


kirrinIsland Mon 21-Jan-13 23:09:10

I saw your thread last night Sophia - I feel better about it, I think I'll give it a go and see how I get on.

I am very much suffering from cabin fever. I am full of cold and poor DD1 looks like Rudolph! So we haven't left the house in a couple of days. I can't wait for the snow to go either.

If N follows her normal pattern then night will be a bad one - she seems to alternate?! And DP is out early tomorrow so I'll have to get up with DD1 which is usually pretty early.

nervous N feeds to sleep. It's not a deliberate thing on my part, I'm not worrying about it yet. DD1 did the same and she learnt to self settle soon enough.

BigPigLittlePig Mon 21-Jan-13 23:17:20

12 minutes of this and she's in her cot asleep.

Do I need to save my pennies and get a Ewen??!

Kyzordz Mon 21-Jan-13 23:29:14

Right, he's in bed again now. Took 4oz (usually has 8) and is still fast asleep and won't take more. He did a wee when I changed his bum, got me, him, everything. Slept through entire change of clothes etc. so have given up! Clearly he doesn't want this last bottle?! He won't give me any wind either but I've been trying for ages now and nothing!

I should be grateful for the sleep and not panic about the wind * repeats *

Elizadoesdolittle Mon 21-Jan-13 23:36:29

Spent three and a half hours at a&e tonight as DD1 stacked it into a chair whilst running manically just before bed time. DH was upstairs with her so I didn't see it but I heard all the commotion. She has quite a deep cut on her eye but only needed those paper stitches so could have been a lot worse. She was very brave but I'm knackered now.

blonder fabulous news on the weight gain. Congratulations. Hope he keeps it up.

ChunkyChicken Mon 21-Jan-13 23:39:10

Sometimes DS feeds to sleep nervous but its not deliberate. He woke on transfer tonight but self settled. DD used to do the same. She grew out of falling asleep on the boob iirc.

Feeling a bit blue. Trying to add some details to DS's baby book & updated DD's too. (Bought him the same as her as I liked the book so much.) It made me a bit sad & nostalgic to think of all the little quirks that DS has now will be forgotten entirely in no time at all.sad It does make me appreciate them both a bit more though & try to focus on the here & now and enjoy it for what it is.

evil your P never ceases to amaze. Con him out of money!!! It takes 2 to make a baby.

horsey I loved my yr off with DD. I didn't want to go back to work. This tine however, I feel like I've lost myself entirely & I'd love a bit of me time. I think its partly the contrast between DH carrying on as before, hobbies & all, this time & me having 2 to deal with, whereas DD was born outside of the hockey season, so DH was around more. Just planning to leave DH to it on Sat, and hopefully actually get out childless for the first time since 19/10 on Sat, makes me feel a bit better which is very little to do with the thought of Krispy Kremes whilst we're out.

YW will try to get that book. Wish DH would get a pay rise. He had an interview for a well-deserved promotion last Monday, so who knows??!

BPLP think babies eventually grow out of the white noise thing, so do the cheap app/you tube option for now & see if you need anything else later on!!

ChunkyChicken Mon 21-Jan-13 23:43:17

Eliza poor DD (& you)!! They do love the manic stuff before bed don't they....

Meant to add, dream feeding now so off to land of nod soon. New breastshield for pump arrived today, so have that ready to go in case of a Jordan boob situation. Night all, sweet dreams or just plain bloody sleep all round.

GTbaby Tue 22-Jan-13 00:57:37

I think this argument is deeper then painting LO room. The whole living in someone else's house thing n it not feeling like my home. But I could bore u with that side of my life forever. So I will spare u blush just fed up.

ValiumQueen Tue 22-Jan-13 02:07:23

Three hours sleep to 1.30. Fed for 15 mins and asleep. Woken by wind. Waiting for him to settle.

DH thinks Ewan scares him on waking. Must admit it would scare the shit out of me.

evil loving Yellow willies. Quite apt considering the Jaundice.

ValiumQueen Tue 22-Jan-13 02:17:49

Eventually settled 2.15.

Glad it is quiet on here.

Hope you are asleep GT

TheDetective Tue 22-Jan-13 03:11:25

Fuck. The baby is broke. Can someone give me the returns address?

Last feed at 930. We all went to bed as soon as he settled. Thank fuck.

Coz he woke at 130. Wtf is all that about? He's not done that before.... I was expecting til at least 4. Anyway. Pacified him for an hour. Now feeding. I hope it's not going to be one of those nights. I was really tired when I came to bed...

Thechick Tue 22-Jan-13 03:22:57

nervous I feed little one to sleep. He's also self settled at times as well.
I'm one who isn't looking forward to going back to work. It won't be until September but it feels like time is going so quickly already.
We will be going on holiday. My cousin is getting married in Poland during the summer. We are in discussions about how we are going get there, whether flying or having a bit of a road trip. Ds1 will still be in school so we are a bit limited with time.
I'm going to say something and I really hope it's not too controversial. I think a lot of you ladies are being a little bit too expectant of your little ones. If you have to swear at your baby, it shows that you are pretty stressed. They are all so young and this first year will be gone before you know it. They will do what they need to do when they need to do it. Yes, as a parent we do need to guide them in the right direction, and will have to for a long time yet. They haven't read the baby books. It will all work out okay, we just need to relax a little and enjoy them for who and what they are. I'm not saying it won't ever be hard, especially those with young dc's and unsupportive dp's but all the hard stuff will end, and them new hard stuff will start.
Going to attempt a transfer. Wish me luck.

CandyPop Tue 22-Jan-13 03:26:09

Hello not so new but already 4 pages in thread.

Don't know why LO is still pooing at night hmm had to do a change on either side of the feed just now! BUT as a first, we put her back in the cot awake and she just gone and self settled and gone back at sleep after some arm flagging !

Hope you get some sleep detective

Oh and welcome back yw smile

StuntNun Tue 22-Jan-13 04:04:01

That's great news about the weight gain Blonder. I'm sure you're much happier now.

How are things going tonight VQ??Lots of sleep? <Hopeful emoticon>

Nervous I feed J to sleep all the time but then he's having so many feeds a day (11-12) that feeding sessions and naps run together anyway.

Right transfer time. Maybe J will stay asleep until my alarm goes off in 2.5 hours? Not very likely but I can hope he'll skip the 5 a.m. feed today can't I?

ValiumQueen Tue 22-Jan-13 04:44:49

stunt a bit more than you by the sound of it. J slept to 4.10 so a three hour stretch and a 2 hour stretch of actual sleep so far. I am hopeful for a quick feed and quicker settle as he keeps falling asleep on me. I want him to have more than a nibble.

chick a lot of what you say is true, but in relation to the swearing, it is important to consider who is swearing, and what their personal thoughts are on it, ie where swearing stands in their vocabulary. For some it is common place, for others it is only used under duress.

Swearing at a baby is never good, and I was horrified that I did so. It reflected my state of mind, and I acted upon it to ensure my baby, and I, was safe. Parenting is extremely stressful at times, and swearing is for some a safety valve, a sign that there is something wrong.

Some of us if we are honest will have had thoughts of harming their babies, or themselves, or both at times of extreme stress, often in the small hours. Thoughts are one thing, and very different to risk of, or actual acts of harm.

Thankfully there will always be someone on MN who has been there and understands this. Thankfully this is a safe place that we can say things that we possibly would not even tell our partners.

It is possible to be in a very dark place following childbirth and in the early months when combined with extreme sleep depravation too. The baby will often get blamed for this.

I hated my first child. Proper hate and blame. I feel guilty to this day, but I was not well. I cannot even bring myself to type even on here what thoughts I had, but I thank God I did not act on them. Being a mother was all I have ever wanted, and I had to wait until I was 37 to have my first, whose name means to hope and to wish.

Thankfully babies do not understand words, but they will react to the emotions of mummy as they do not need language for that. I read the 'go the fuck to sleep' book and was slightly disgusted at the language, but it is in jest. I do however think that the sentiments behind it are very very real. It is fucking hard work!

Anyway J is asleep so I must try and get some more too.

StuntNun Tue 22-Jan-13 04:56:55

Bah, didn't even get an hour. What a hungry little boy he is.

ValiumQueen Tue 22-Jan-13 05:09:32

stunt you always sound so serene!

J is fighting sleep. He is almost settled. I am hoping the schools are shut so I do not need to go out. I am keeping DD2 off nursery as it is a fair drive and I would not want to get stuck with three kids. Just not worth it IMO. Even getting to school 10 mins away on foot was challenging.

Catbag Tue 22-Jan-13 05:19:25

<<crawls in and plants flag so can find you all... crawls out again>>

Thechick Tue 22-Jan-13 05:33:06

VQ I appreciate your honesty. Im sure what you have written has probably helped a few women on this thread know they aren't alone.

Clarella Tue 22-Jan-13 06:51:45

Nov 2012 threads, blink and you miss em!

marking place.

odd behaviour going on here. slept for while day yesterday after being sooo difficult and feeding constantly previous eve. growth spurt hopefully? 6 weeks yesterday.

also can reflux get worse/ develop at this time?

Clarella Tue 22-Jan-13 06:52:44

evil - def get to drs, all that sounds v like thyroid symptoms

Sophiathesnowfairy Tue 22-Jan-13 06:56:24

detective is he 8 weeks perchance? Loads of the Novemeber Babies seem to go into a crazy 8 week zone!

PetiteRaleuse Tue 22-Jan-13 06:58:25

Morning all. I love morning feed. She's so snuffly and eager. DD1 was very sweet this morning before she went to creche. I hope she is in a better mood today. VQ every time I start to rise to the bait I remember what it was like when she was in hospital. And I am pleased that she is here to bollock iyswim.

My bread has arrived. And I did an online shop yesterday and forgot to order strawberry jam

pikz Tue 22-Jan-13 07:10:34

Pretty good night here in cotsville. We got him down by 9.45. Woke at 1.50, 3 and 6.50. I think the 3am was to have a poo otherwise he'd have done 5 hours.

CandyPop Tue 22-Jan-13 07:27:18

thechick It's not so much we expect too much from LO we are aware that at this stage they are what they are and best way of dealing with them is going with the flow . However there were a few times when we were so exhausted, we cant think clearly and it's 3 in the morning,, she's fussing and everything we do doesn't soothe her.. Like vq said, its not so much a reflection of our unrealistic expectations of LO but more of our state of mind. Thank god on the few occasions that this has happened with me or dh we know we are at breaking point and so we put the baby down and let the OH see to her while we take time out. I admittedly think at times, why did we do this again? Maybe we should have waited for another couple of years. Babies are bloody hard work and I don't think anyone can prepare us for it, However it's the smiles and coos, and the serene look they have when napping on us that reminds us how lucky we are and how wonderful she is. Like all mothers I think I have the most beautiful baby in the world smile

CandyPop Tue 22-Jan-13 07:36:39

On the going back to work front, I miss my colleagues and the banter and the general ritual of getting up and going to work. However I am now really dreading the thought of going back and leaving LO. I'm in finance and my job is very demanding. Often enough , a week out of a month I stay very late. I know that I can't be doing that once I go back which means I won't be able to do my job properly sad I will give it ago but I think I may have to give it up and find something more 9-5. It's sad as its taking all my life to get to this stage and I feel I will have to give it up. All those years of studying and now swapping it for baby sick and poonami explosions !!

pikz Tue 22-Jan-13 07:54:10

Candy I feel exactly the same about work. I worked 60 hour weeks. I can't do that now so I dread going back to do a half arsed job.

I miss work and the buzz and adult convos. I love my little boy to pieces and want to be with him though. It's just realising that my career will take a back seat for a whilst until I'm through the early stages. But I want to be a hands on mum so that is the choice i suppose.

It's just weird as my job was such a huge part of who I am.

PetiteRaleuse Tue 22-Jan-13 08:02:34

I have moments when it all gets too much. It's rarer and rarer now that LO is sleeping through (that really does make a huge difference to well being) but it still happens. Yesterday afternoon for example both kids were screaming and I didn't know why. When it gets too much I have a rant. I either email my thoughts to DH at work, or phone my mum, or wait til DH gets back and he'll say 'go' and I'll rant. If anyone saw my emails to him during the day they'd worry, but I really write it to get it out of my system. Once I have ranted, 'i feel like my tolerance levels have been reset.

I don't think we expect too much of our children. I think we expect too much of ourselves. Most people have realistic ideas of how awful babies can be, as it is constantly rammed down our throats by media and culture. However this is countered by there being so any schools of thought on how to do things. Parenting has become a market. So you will always always find someone or read something to tell you you are doing it wrong. We are taught, or you are in the UK, to mistrust your instinct. How many of you came on here worrying about weigh ins those first few weeks? How many of you have come on here feeling like you are failing for feeding, birthing, breathing in a different way to how society expects you to?

In the past we would have been surrounded by family, friends. We would have come from bigger families so would already have a good idea of what children are like. It takes a village to raise a child etc... Now we are on our own with books, internet forums and the Daily sodding Mail (as an example of a media source that likes to make women feel bad about every decision they make). Becoming a mother is now a lonely experience. Nt saying I'd like to go back, just saying that what has replaced the support network women had in the past has created more problems. We have this group, and it's great, but hop over to some of the feeding threads on MN, or a thread about co-sleeping or controlled crying. You will always find someone who sets out to belittle whoever decides to do something she doesn't agree with. Which, most of the time, we can ignore. But when you've had three months straight with no more than two hours sleep at a stretch, or when you are beating yourslef up about not enjoying breastfeeding you will fix on the one person who will drag you down.

These people reinforce our disappointments in ourselves, which were already created by this bizarre society we now live in, and just make things worse. No-one can be expected to function well on no sleep. No-one can be expected to function well with a wrecked fanjo. But we are now expected to just get on with it. It is one way in which the lot of women has got worse over the years, not better.

PetiteRaleuse Tue 22-Jan-13 08:03:28

You see what I mean by a rant?

Catbag Tue 22-Jan-13 08:07:01

Well said petite, you have expressed beautifully exactly how I feel about being a mother. Spot on. Now I have to put firework in the pants of my DS so he gets out of bed. The joys of motherhood hmm

nervous I feed babylaughalot to sleep. Never intended to its just how she drops off most of the time.

Speaking of which she fed at 9.15 last night and dozed off in my arms for what I assumed would be 5-10 mins (based on every other day since she arrived). 2 hrs 45 mins she slept for! And she only woke because I had to get up as my bum was numb and my arm had gone to sleep under her and I'd ended up watching What Happens In Kavos !

So tonight's aim is to to get her down for bed at 9 rather than midnight which has been her time of choice. Any bets on how we'll do?!

CandyPop Tue 22-Jan-13 08:29:31

What she said <points at petit > grin

PetiteRaleuse Tue 22-Jan-13 08:34:02

Oh and just one more thing. One piece of advice I was given before DD1 was born: don't worry if instant bonding doesn't happen. It's OK for it not to. Love develops as it does for anyone else. Sometimes it's instant, sometimes it takes time. And sometimes, like anyone else we love , our children will drive us mad, and for a minute, or an hour, we will resent them for pissing us off, even when they can't help it. It's ok for us to love them but hate the little buggers at the same time. And the negative feelings won't last because we love them. Bonding is a process, and the rush of love does happen at some point. But it's OK that there are times when we would quite happily have them put back in to cook a little more. As long as we are in a position to give love and not harm, pretty much anything we feel is normal.

horseylady Tue 22-Jan-13 08:37:13

Pr - I have been much better only reading this thread and the horse section. I could have doubted myself on so many levels. I think there is so much competition. A lady in the pub has a daughter who had her lo a few days after me. She asked how my birth went and I told her. I was then told how her dd only had two paracetamol a 30second labour and was doing zumba that evening. Ok the latter two are exaggerations but for a split second I felt awful for going into theatre then thought wtf?! My baby was 8lb he got stuck!! Hers was 5lb and she was induced with pe. Both of us had issues and to be fair I'd have rather done it my way than had the worry of health complications.

I do sometimes read the oct thread as there are babies slightly older than ds so I like to read their thoughts. They were talking about nurseries and schooling. Very interesting.

But you are all right. Sleep deprivation is horrific and I certainly agree with vq. If I swore at ds there would be cause for concern but my friend often swore at hers and there was little to worry about as it's how she expressed herself generally. I swear but rarely in anger. I also think many women need more support from families. Many of us live away from our parents or they're not alive. I'd have loved for my mil to help me out alongside my own mum. My mum has been fab but I feel dh would gave benefited from his mum being there too.

We've gone back to night wakings!! I love growth spurts!!

horseylady Tue 22-Jan-13 08:42:11

Oh and the other thing to remember is the advise changes constantly. My friend was advised to wean at 15 weeks which is less than three weeks away for me. I don't think ds is ready or would have been. I will wean him when he looks ready. He will sleep in his own room when he's too big for his bed.

Research changes but research can also be skewed. It is only someone's opinion afterall. We don't all fit into social norms and statistics. That's why I love my job!

Thechick Tue 22-Jan-13 08:47:09

Wow Petite you said what I was thinking in a much better way. You write really well. I wanted to applaud what you wrote when I finished reading it. And Candy thanks for your opinion too. It is hardworking but so worth it.
I think I've been in the house for too long. I really hate snow ANSI don't drive so I haven't gone out. I think I have cabin fever.

Thechick Tue 22-Jan-13 08:47:41

*And I don't drive

georgee Tue 22-Jan-13 08:53:05

Thanks for wise women's words everyone. V well put PR. It's DD1 I'm struggling with at the moment. Everything's such a flaming battle - dressing, feeding, stopping her sprinting down the drive to certain death on the road. James is nice and straightforward in comparison. Though was up at 1.00, 3.30 (plus nappy change) and 5.30. I agree I'm quite a swearer anyway so will let go the odd expletive day-to-day (but not directly at them - yet).

I don't need a passport for James for a UK flight do I (Edinburgh to Gatwick)? BA woman told me I did on the phone on Friday but that's wrong isn't it?

horseylady Tue 22-Jan-13 08:58:06

This mornings trick is rolling......

CandyPop Tue 22-Jan-13 08:58:29

chick I have serious cabin fever too!!! Now do I venture out to baby group which is 10 mins walk away?' I'm still lying in bed at the mo... Can bring myself to get up!

CandyPop Tue 22-Jan-13 08:59:43


Sophiathesnowfairy Tue 22-Jan-13 09:00:01

I agree with what you say pr. I think we also have to remember that we bare our souls on this thread, it doesn't mean we are a danger to society, it means we are honest about the difficulties of having a new baby.

chickI am a routine follower and a book reader. I have no mother, all my family and DHs family are a long way away, I am slighty dyslexic which in my world means that when there is a lot going on I can get a bit overwhelmed and it all goes into a jumbled mess in my head. From the age of nine my coping mechanism is to make sure I am highly organised and tidy. I really struggle with going with the flow, it makes me feel panicky. Though I am getting better as I get older.

I reAlise that the kids haven't read the book but it isn't necessarily for them. It is for me and by setting a strict routine it is how I cope with all the things I have to remember to do in the day and get to the end of it. If I didn't have a routine in place I probably wouldn't have had a moment to myself in the last 8 years and I would have had a nervous breakdown

Ta da....no one size fits all. All the babies are different and all mums are different.

horseylady Tue 22-Jan-13 09:01:05

Also everyone has an opinion of everything!! A lot of people would disagree with how I keep my horses. Thing is I am so much more confident with my care for those as it's been my life. I can argue my point very well!!

Clarella Tue 22-Jan-13 09:04:30

oooo interesting prog on r4 about babies and development now ....

kirrinIsland Tue 22-Jan-13 09:07:49

I was just going to post my thoughts but I see petit has put it so much better than I ever could!
I haven't ever sworn at my children but I do swear at the situation sometimes, and that is pretty normal for me when I am frustrated. I have no expectations that N will sleep through any time soon but that doesn't stop me crying with frustration when she wakes up 5 minutes after I've dropped off and I am so exhausted I can't see straight.

Hope your DD is ok eliza - and why do they always do these things 5 minutes before bedtime!?

WRT work - with DD1 I planned to take a year off but went back after 9 months. I felt ready and I missed it - both the work and especially the people. This time I shall see how it goes. I'm in a different job, not through choice, and while the people are lovely, I only worked with them for a few weeks before starting mat leave and I didn't particularly enjoy the job. I am also job hunting right now, so if I get offered something good then I accept that I may have to go back sooner than I'd like. I do want to feed ebf N for 6 months though.

Not sure about the passport georgee They will want some form of ID, So I usually just take my passport. Perhaps his birth certificate?

DD1 is rotten with cold this morning so I guess it's day 4 stuck in the house. I am going slightly crazy.

Evilwater Tue 22-Jan-13 09:08:36

Sorry YW, it was autocorrect! angry


kirrinIsland Tue 22-Jan-13 09:13:50

Ooh horsey I think people are just as opinionated on horse care as they are on baby care - possibly more so. The number of people who are horrified that my horses live out all year is amazing, and they have no problem telling me how wrong it is! <smile and nod, smile and nod> Its certainly good practice for motherhood!

For those struggling with baby groups - it always revolves round babies to start with, but as you actually make friends with people, rather than just chat to strangers, that will pass and hopefully you will have some RL people that you can share the sort of things we do on here. No-one wants to admit is not all a bed of roses at baby groups! It's like admitting failure, rather than just being normal!

blonderthanred Tue 22-Jan-13 09:13:50

Thank you for all the good wishes re L's weight. It is such a relief to know all the hard work is paying off and he is still enjoying bf.

Eliza your poor brave DD1! Glad she is ok but never fun to sit in A&E.

The conversation here has taken a serious tone (apart from VQ's bum sex). For my two penn'orth I think we all come on here and vent but that's not always representative of our expectations in real life, just expressing our frustrations. We've all got our own more serious issues whether relationships, health, sleep but a lot of the time people are just letting go of something - like pr does with her DH. Or there's a minor anxiety and they need reassurance that they/their baby is 'normal' or that this too shall pass. Preferably in the next 24 hrs.

In happy news from the BlondeRed household, I actually woke L up this morning as he had slept 5 hrs and I was worried. He's fine! And now feeding like a warthog. That means he slept 9 hrs in total last night. It's a fucking miracle.

PetiteRaleuse Tue 22-Jan-13 09:17:42

Rolling! Bravo little E!! Was he pleased with himself?

I've just been reading the January 2013 thread. If you can bear the birth stories I suggest you go and have a look to see just how far we've come along. Remember how lost we were but in a few weeks how much progress we've made !

One of the advantages of being abroad is that when a French person gives me advice I just shrug and say Well in England we do it differently. When a Brit gives me advice I just shrug and say Well in France we do it differently. Makes life easier. We just muddle along doing our best with what we have. People in real life can be pretty unsupportive.

I also know someone Horsey who did a cat's bum face when I said I'd had an EMCS with DD1. She said 'Ha, too many CS these days. I just got on with it and had a few paracetamol. They just slid out. I assume you're going to try and do it properly this time?' i said no fecking way, I will never try and do it properly again. Elcs all the way for me. (which is true btw). And she literally couldn't have looked more disgusted with me.

Competitive birthing and parenting is bullshit.

I'm sweary btw. Ironically not often in real anger. Just when I feel a little bit ranty.

kissyfur Tue 22-Jan-13 09:20:57

Morning ladies

Rant away petite, that was very well put. I agree that we are too hard on ourselves, and society is too quick to judge mothers for the decisions they make. It also makes me sad how unkind some people on the feeding/parenting/aibu threads on here can be to each other if they have different views. Live and let live I say! Not talking about this lovely thread obviously smile

Thanks YW - I didn't realise that's how domperidone worked. She had a dose last night and hasn't been sick yet, so fingers crossed it'll work for us. Going to give the first dose of ranitidine in a bit. Do u know what the shelf life of ranitidine is btw? It says not to use after expiry date but doesn't have a date on the bottle we were given by the pharmacist.

Not looking forward to going back to work here really. I only work part time after having DD1 and not in the same field I worked in prior to having children. Hence it's not very well paid so tbh I'm unsure if going back will even work out for us finance wise.

Can't remember who mentioned watching 'what happens in kavos' but I watched it too! Car crash tv eh

ValiumQueen Tue 22-Jan-13 09:21:22

georgee some airlines insist on passports for domestic flights, so best to get one, or at least check with airline.

I would buy PR s book on parenting. You explain things so well.

Between 10.15pm and 8.15 am, J and I slept for 8 hours! Two wakings of 1 hour each, so a 3 hr, 2 hr, 3 hr split. Happy with that! Feel like I have been run over by a truck! All in cot (him, not me) grin

Put girls to sleep at 6:45pm ,they woke at 3:45am for milk. I was downstairs warming the bottles. Both girls upstairs howling. P comes into kitchen and says..."what do you want me to do". This is what I am trying to deal with, Mr No Brains!

I leg it upstairs with milk, he goes into spare room and shuts the door! I feed both myself.

Can anyone say...selfish?!

PetiteRaleuse Tue 22-Jan-13 09:39:01

Oh thank you all for saying such nice things about what I wrote. VQ I think there are more than enough books written about parenting don't you?

I'm not sure adding another called 'Do it how you want and sod everyone else' would work grin

I read a book about parenting recently that my granny was given in 1945 when my mum was born. It was funny because it could have been written by Gina Ford for routine, and by any number of weaning experts today. Funnily enough the doctor who wrote it talked about purées and about the importance of introducing finger foods too.

In fact except for his advice on nappies and non breast milk (with advanced formula being unavailable and terry nappies being the only choice) it was pretty up to date. Everything that is out there is pretty much what has been done for years in some form or another. It's just that everything is so much more available now, and there is an entire industry built around parenting. It's so in your face. But other than life saving medical advances, like c sections and wonderful doctors without whom my DD1 might well have died a few weeks ago, basic parenting involves what it did generations ago. And more generations. And centuries.

ChunkyChicken Tue 22-Jan-13 09:44:17

Thanks VQ and PR for writing so much better than I. At 3.30, with a MASSIVE poonami that I didn't realise until after I'd almost force-fed my son boob blush I'd read chick's comments and got a bit angry. Sorry chick!! I'm glad I didn't comment & say something I'd regret.

Essentially, I don't swear at work (teacher) but it slips out at home. But I never, ever call either child names, I just express my frustration. Before DS had his TT done & wouldn't latch easily, I would occassionally say something like "for fuck's sake, just fucking well fucking put it in your fucking mouth!!" after the 6th attempt. Mostly I take my frustration out at DH (poor bloke) by ranting too, but at 3am with him snoring, it wasn't that easy. If it was too much, I do what candy said & leave dc in care of DH & take a breather. Even 5mins alone in the kitchen can be enough. However, since DS has slept better & fed better, I'm much calmer. except when it comes to DH's pathological untidyness

The poonami was a treat, but otherwise he was in bed from 8.45 until 7.25.<ducks projectiles> grin

ChunkyChicken Tue 22-Jan-13 10:02:17

Well done horseyfoal on your roll.smile

That's fab VQ. I find I can feel worse after a decent sleep, after so long w/out because the adrenaline eases off I presume.

PR agreed. Is that phrase 'there's nothing new under the Sun' or something?? I'm so lucky to have my v supportive and understanding parents close. Otherwise the feelings of failure with DD's "weight gain issues" would have been immense.

FWIW I HATE those birth story competitions. I met a grp of mums after DD was born who'd all had complicated deliveries in one way or another, so when I said that I found the 12hr show to baby, 2hrs 0-10cm labour a shock & couldn't get my head around it, they all looked a bit dismissive and said things like "lucky you" hmm You can't win with people like that.

Clarella Tue 22-Jan-13 10:03:21

arse I had a huge post in relation to petite and I lost it sad try n recoup later. basically had similar experiences trying to be a teacher for 11 years and the do it how you want and sod everyone else has paid off there (much easier in special ed though - last year it was 'get the gloop out' year before we made countless cola/mento rockets grin (I did make them squiggle write about the rockets mind!)

Clarella Tue 22-Jan-13 10:07:16

oh yes edited other bits were 'outer societies let mum go into 6 weeks of confinement /no other commitments for a reason (less pnd)'

and - how do you politely refuse visitors.

what the hell did mum's do in the days before extraction fans? I heart my extractor fan grin

I'm struggling with 'inuterine growth restriction'. makes me so sad sad

Thechick Tue 22-Jan-13 10:35:30

Chunky I'm sorry my post made you angry. My sentiment was basically that the babies are all so young and things will get better and what PR said.

ValiumQueen Tue 22-Jan-13 10:55:50

chick all posts will be interpreted slightly differently dependent on how you are feeling at the time of reading. For example, the title of the last thread - if that had been the title of this thread, I would have exploded!!! grin

kirrinIsland Tue 22-Jan-13 11:00:55

On the subject of thread titles - myDD1 has started saying by 'eck, its very cute but definitely gives away how much postman pat is being watched in our house at the moment !

BigPigLittlePig Tue 22-Jan-13 11:01:32

All those posts were exactly what I needed after an awful night and worse morning. LO screamed her way round the shops only stopping to vom, then screamed in car showroom (sodding car, whole appointment was waste of time) and screamed all the way home. All this, after feeding HOURLY overnight. I did find myself wailing "why won't you stop" and then I would have had a proper good sob only I'm too tired.

This parenting lark is bloody tricky, and luckily people further up-thread have summed my sentiments up perfectly, as I'm not sure I could coherently write them myself today.

rowingdowntheriver Tue 22-Jan-13 11:19:05

Some really good posts up thread that sum up how I'm feeling too. Sleep deprived (hourly feeds over night for nearly a week), a windy, crying baby during the day and now a toddler with yet another cold.

On top of that am trying to manage selling our house and buying another and am getting stressed out by the cost of the new one especially as I don't have ajob to go back to.

Thankfully my mum is here today to help me with the boys.

ValiumQueen Tue 22-Jan-13 11:29:55

Sorry to hear that BP and rowing big hugs all round!

My new washer comes tomorrow, so boy is in fluff again. I am amazed at how much difference there is in how the nappies fit in just a couple of weeks! He sure is growing.

For the first time ever I will be paying the minimum on the credit card. Usually I pay it all off, but with the washer going and being still unsure how much I will get paid, I am going to wait and see before I pay off as much of the balance as I can. I also need to call the tax credit folk as they still have not accepted Js existence.

Izzybuzzybuzzybees Tue 22-Jan-13 11:30:16

Sorry to hear of the hourly feeding rowing and bplp sad

We actually had a good night after the horrific one the night before. J went from 11pm til 6am. I am still bloody tired tho. DD is 3 and is on the go the whole time. She is watching too much telly for my liking but it beats whining!

I have a Pilates class today. I'm hoping it'll help tone the jelly belly. You bring baby as its run by hospital physionp. Also I've put 9lbs on. I'm on some meds to prevent illness and they have weight gain as a huge side effect. I'm so hungry all the time tho. I need healthy snacks and dinner ideas. I put on 3.5 stone last time and I feel my weight is now getting the same way sad

TheDetective Tue 22-Jan-13 11:35:08

You only need worry about me when I stop swearing! That's when you know the scary bits about to arrive so take cover!!! grin Seriously. DP knows when I've stopped swearing at him I'm at the end of a very long tether. If I start swearing at people then I've lost the battle and make myself look like the one in the wrong.

The way I see it though, they are just words. It's how you say it rather than what you say. You say it with menace, or you say it with exasperation, the tone is different as are the sentiments.

Sophia you are right! He is 8 weeks! I thought that to myself this morning as I scratched my head wondering why he was doing the things he was doing. Anyway. He will be even more broked later sad injection day....

I'm still in bed. Baby asleep on me. I'll wake him soon so he doesn't think it's still night time! blush.

Today is my first absolute proper day alone! I've only been alone (minus DP and DS) with Oscar once. For 2 hours. DP is in work 11-7, So I've got 4 hours and a bout of injections (typical he would be in work for that wouldn't he!!) to myself! I'm enjoying the peace right now!

TheDetective Tue 22-Jan-13 11:38:37

It's okay. I dont need to wake him... His eyes just pinged open with a big gummy smile to match! He is now munching blanket grin.

MadamGazelleIsMyMum Tue 22-Jan-13 11:40:21

Well expressed PR. It is very tough indeed, being a parent, and along with the constant pressure to be doing x,y or z, and advice etc, sometimes I know I find hit hard to just chill and enjoy my babies.

This morning DH looked after DS and I took DD swimming - was so nice to have some quality time with just DD. DH even cleaned the bathroom while we were gone, but of course I had to come home and nit pick.

Horsey wow with the rolling!

VQ amazing the difference some sleep makes.

evil and bigpig yes indeedy, I am half way between the 2 of you.

BigPigLittlePig Tue 22-Jan-13 11:44:19

Today just keeps getting better. Was checking emails zoning out to white noise on youtube when I heard a gurgle, and looked down to see rivers of vom pouring out of LO. The kind of vom where you think, "surerly that's it?" but it just keeps on coming. Soaked through 3 layers of my clothes sad

Dixiebell Tue 22-Jan-13 11:47:23

kirrin, find it v amusing imagining your daughter going round saying by 'eck! I still find it amazing when ds1 says something so adult sounding, with an intonation obviously copied exactly from me or DH. Little moments like that almost make the toddler tantrums/refusing to eat anything but sausages/escaping down the driveway/constant demands for Peppa worthwhile!!

Teddy went 11-7 last night shock . I tried to put him down about 8 too, did usual 10.30 routine, change, grobag, feed, lights off, but he was awake again within the hour. But then later sleeps for 7 hours. Amazed that he knows the difference! Is it the time, or the fact we're not in the room??

On Cradle cap, I tried the dentinox shampoo yesterday, and it has just dried out his scalp so it looks more scaly than before. Anyone else had success with it? I wonder whether it needs a few applications to work, but as it made his head look more red and irritated than before I'm a bit reluctant to use again. I've ordered aveeno lotion so will try that too but wondered if anyone else had success with dentinox. It's actually leftover from ds1, didn't work for him either, you'd think I'd learn!

Thechick Tue 22-Jan-13 11:53:17

Thanks VQ for your post!

WRT tax credit, I called them yesterday and they told me the household income needs to be under 28k (or 26) to get anything and told me to call back when I've been on maternity leave for 26 weeks.

ValiumQueen Tue 22-Jan-13 11:54:00

dixie I have tried that stuff on 1 and 2 and it did not work. Why do I still have it??? My DD says 'good God' a lot. I was upset and annoyed as I have been known to go to church on occasions and do not like blasphemy. At a roundabout the other day, I heard myself saying it! I do it subconsciously I think. Must. Try. Harder.

ChunkyChicken Tue 22-Jan-13 11:56:15

No apology needed chick. Very hard to reas an author's tone and your own views colour it, as VQ said.

I have a very greedy little boy. Long old feed, he's pulling off and on, on second boob. I say 'are u finished?', so he gives me the big blues and sucks my nipple, looking up at me, as if daring me to stop him!! He then proceeds to posset a load of milk, so he is full but just doesn't want to stop with the boob. Typical man wink

Thechick Tue 22-Jan-13 12:00:30

Dixie My little one has cradle cap and we are using dentinox. We used olive oil to begin with and that caused the scales to thicken. Now using the dentinox it's loosening the thickened scales and taking his hair with it.

ValiumQueen Tue 22-Jan-13 12:02:13

BP sorry to hear that x

chick it makes a difference if you have 2 or 3 kids, and if you pay childcare. Also how many hours each parent works. It is such a complicated system.

ChunkyChicken Tue 22-Jan-13 12:03:01

^read obviously.

Sorry bplp and rowing that sounds hellish sad

Thechick Tue 22-Jan-13 12:03:56

Chunky smile

TheDetective Tue 22-Jan-13 12:06:51

Okay. He went back to sleep after the gummy smile. Do not want to wake. But must. Bugger!

ValiumQueen Tue 22-Jan-13 12:11:43

By the way, I was being serious about the bum sex grin but from what you say, your DH would be a bit much grin

Thechick Tue 22-Jan-13 12:12:39

VQ it is. I thought I'd be entitled to something if I work one less day when ml ends and pay for childcare, they said to call back in April.

StuntNun Tue 22-Jan-13 12:15:58

Glad to hear you had a better night VQ, I'm sure you sleep more deeply when he's in his cot.

I can sympathise BP, J frequently manages to soak me to my keks. I don't know where it keeps coming from sometimes. After his last feed he possetted five times and soaked everything in sight. I'm going to have to shampoo my mattress once he gets past this stage.

PennieLane Tue 22-Jan-13 12:19:11

Glad it was a better night VQ and thanks everyone for your posts. Really reassuring and helpful to read all the different POV and just great to have some adult conversation about all the things swirling around my head! smile

Sophiathesnowfairy Tue 22-Jan-13 12:59:34

Oooooooo DH has asked me out on a Burns Night date! I am all of a dither! He doesn't normally suggest stuff I am the social secretary!grin

pikz Tue 22-Jan-13 13:07:01

LO finally out of week 8 weirdness and back to my beautiful smiley boy just in time for jabs on Thursday...sad

PetiteRaleuse Tue 22-Jan-13 13:13:05

We've got jabs next week. They seem to space it out a little more here. The first were at 8 weeks, the second lot are 8 weeks later.

YellowWellies Tue 22-Jan-13 13:18:30

Georgee Jonas flew south just using his birth certificate (and a plane boom tisch) with fly be. Check your airline.

Clarella reflux started in our house at 6 weeks so might be worth keeping an eye on it?

I'd just like to say that I love my DH so much. He spurned the Witchery (and a free slap up dinner) there to come home to a ready meal to help with a refluxy baby and his inconsolable tears. Fecking new Dr messing with his meds to 'try something cheaper' I shit you not. Returned to the surgery guns blazing today et voila my son is now on omeperazole liquid and I don't give a rats ass if its £167 a fortnight blush

kissyfur Tue 22-Jan-13 13:21:32

Dixie I tried detinox on LO the other day and it just made it more dry, but I think that is how it works. I had it leftover from DD1 too smile I tried the olatium cream b4 washing her hair the other day, that didn't work either so might try the aveeno cream

A big thank you to whoever suggested putting the extractor fan on to get LOs to sleep. Worked a treat and meant I could make DD1 her lunch without LO crying. thanks

BigPigLittlePig Tue 22-Jan-13 13:26:51

Go YW! Poor doctor won't know what hit them!

I think little pig must have caught a touch of this 8 week madness that's going around. She's much happier after vom-athon, and is even <gasps> asleep in her crib!

Sophia a date?!? I am jealous.

GTbaby Tue 22-Jan-13 13:27:02

Argh lost post

VQ - I was asleep but Sod's law LO didn't sleep thro so I was up at 3 again.

Clara- I did 5 weeks confinement! Close family visitors only. My Chinese friend told me they do 40 days.

Gorgee- everyone needs ID to travel. Passport is easiest for kids. Ie grown ups can use driving licence. If airline say passport then stick with that.
LO passport came within a week of sending (they say to allow two weeks). (DH works in passport control)

Swearing. I manage fine not to swear at school. But home I struggle to stop. But will have to get used to not swearing before LO starts talking.

kissyfur Tue 22-Jan-13 13:29:29

Yay for date night Sophia grin

Burns night is my birthday and DP and I have a date, we are going to the cinema to see Life of Pi in 3D, DD's are going to be looked after by my mum. Hoping LO will sleep for most of the time I'm away!

ValiumQueen Tue 22-Jan-13 13:39:04

sophia what is a date? I forget grin The last time I went out with just DH was my 40th. Two kids ago. DD1 was three!

DonnaDoon Tue 22-Jan-13 13:41:18

OMG Just slipped over twice in the woods with DD safely snug in the wrap but still...Luckily I landed quite softly and on my bum. Bloody dog can just go down to one walk a day until its melted because DH walks him in the evening anyway.

ValiumQueen Tue 22-Jan-13 14:11:34

donna glad you are both ok. I think you are right to avoid that for the foreseeable future. Dog will cope.

PetiteRaleuse Tue 22-Jan-13 14:24:13

Donna the dog will be fine with one walk. Nt worth you breaking or twisting your ankle or worse and not being able to get up with LO in a sling.

TheDetective Tue 22-Jan-13 14:38:58

My dog is scared of the snow. She wants 0 walks a day at the minute. Though it's not my job anyway... I just do the fun walks (when we take her places!) grin

Currently sat in drs surgery post jabs. Oscar feeding, looking at me with pissed off eyes. Yes, I've taken the preemptive paracetomol grin. I've got Oscars in the bag just in case! Seems ok but sleepy. Gave a good old scream though!

Do you know, I shit you not, I know you won't believe me but it's true! My mum thinks I don't swear. She apologises for swearing in front of me. grin. She has never ever heard a swear word pass my lips. It's gone on far too long to tell her the truth now blush. And I don't think I would ever have the balls to swear in her presence either!!!

Sophiathesnowfairy Tue 22-Jan-13 14:43:05

vq bigpig an actual date. grin now I just need to find a babysitter. Hopefully one of the nursery girls will be free tomorrow or Thurs to oblige! Iam out Fri as well on a works curry night, I didn't remind DH when he suggested the date/party night.

Why does Olly always chew his ands after his milk not before?

Sophiathesnowfairy Tue 22-Jan-13 14:45:06

Lol dtective lots of people think I don't swear! It has more clout then when I do!

TheDetective Tue 22-Jan-13 14:47:27

I don't swear in front of my dad either, but he is on my Facebook. There are swearywords there for sure! The difference is, I don't care what he thinks hah!

pikz Tue 22-Jan-13 15:02:54

We have sleeping swing success! Dectective I can't thank you enough for the idea...an hour off Velcro daytime baby! Woohoo! And he's sleeping during the day!

PurplePidjin Tue 22-Jan-13 15:15:06

I nearly swore at the hv this morning blush. Went to get R weighed and see my bf group friends, and so i could find out what was going on re extra support. Saw a different hv

"Oh, yes, <name> is still pondering what's best to offer you"

Me nearly actually in tears bh now due to the pressure. Chat about what help i think i need - time away from baby to cook and clean would be a start!

"Have you got a freezer? You could try cooking some meals and freezing them for another day"

Well fuck me pink and call me Rosie. I'd never have thought of that by myself hmm

<hides freezer full of homemade stews and curries, fridge full of veg and overflowing fruit bowl in case they decide i can cope after all>

On the plus side, R is 8lb15 (6lb3 at birth) at 9 weeks grin

And i sold a hat, that's 3 this week (i started last week) grin

And dp had a nap and feels a bit better so is dealing with dinner - chicken casserole now in the slow cooker grin

PetiteRaleuse Tue 22-Jan-13 15:47:27

Wow purple that's rubbish of them. Good news about LO's weight and your DP feeling a bit stronger.

TheDetective Tue 22-Jan-13 16:01:08

How crap of them pidj (I have to call you this sorry!!) that's a rubbish suggestion. Seriously... I think you should have swore. It might have been therapeutic!

What did I suggest pikz?! I hope it wasn't anything naughty grin.

Currently being lambasted by DS1 over how I'm a horrible mum for trekking through the snow to take him to school yesterday... Oh yes. I'm terrible! Blah blah blah!! KIDS!

ValiumQueen Tue 22-Jan-13 16:01:37

DH was home until 11 this morning, so DS stayed with him at home while I did the school and nursery run. When I got home, DS was asleep in his BabyBjorn. I asked him to take him up to his cot, and DH asked what he should do. It is his third child! He has actually been really supportive and helpful these last few days.

PP pics of hats on FB please! I wish I could crochet. I must learn. I can knit and do petit point and cross stitch and sew, but crochet has always defeated me.

PurplePidjin Tue 22-Jan-13 16:03:11

Just fyi, the children's centre have a hot line to the tax credits people and will help sort those out for you wink

PurplePidjin Tue 22-Jan-13 16:04:33

Pics have just gone on fb but I'm not in your gang on there sad

ValiumQueen Tue 22-Jan-13 16:12:10

PP need to find a children's centre then! Thank you!

Our gang is November 12 babies with a pic of a pg tummy and flowers. I think if you just put a request to join, DH21 will arrange it. Please correct me if I am wrong gang grin

PurplePidjin Tue 22-Jan-13 16:20:11

I've asked. If you've got NH from t'other fred, we have her in common smile

Dixiebell Tue 22-Jan-13 16:30:14

It's actually Nov 12 babies...

Dixiebell Tue 22-Jan-13 16:32:48

Started snowing heavily here again. Argh, I can't take another whole day in the house on my own with 2 DSs!! Need to get out to playgroup or something for sanity. Love a bit of snow, but really it should be restricted to weekends only. DS1 wanted to sledge yesterday, but can't really manage that on my own with a 7 week old in tow...

ValiumQueen Tue 22-Jan-13 16:43:55

I have got NH wink

Thank you dixie and I agree, snow should only be for weekends. It should be the law.

Clarella Tue 22-Jan-13 16:56:05

YW after chatting to my nct mum today I've decided its 'normal levels' of reflux plus as I express in the morn and he's not that hungry then it tends to blow his head off with my let down and then he spends all morning recovering - evening he's just a pig and thenwe get it all then but I will keep an eye on it thanks! thinking about switching to expressing in early evening instead - a mumat nct did it, anyone else have thoughts?

Gt - wow that's great! yes I read 40 days is the norm. our Japanese friend went to stay with her mother and wasn't allowed out for a month. I think there's a lot to be said for it!!!

catching up on your post pidj....

PurplePidjin Tue 22-Jan-13 17:02:35

VQ there's a hat and a sling in my profile pic, first name and user name have the same initial wink

I wouldn't bother, Clarella, it's a giant rant blush

StuntNun Tue 22-Jan-13 17:02:50

Sophia dessert perhaps?

Clarella Tue 22-Jan-13 17:07:29

oh ffs pidj it's been weeks now you poor thing how bloody useless. can you go to your .gp about it - cos you need to look after you and they might be more proactive? ( sorry if you've already tried and I missed that)

well done on crochet stuff!

Passmethecrisps Tue 22-Jan-13 17:39:52

Right! I am going to have to start taking notes. I read thing and think "oh, I must comment on that" then by the time I get to actually posting I can only remember the last 3 posts!

I noticed one of the ante-natal threads (I think it might be march) started before the new Year. Why do we talk so much? Not that I'm complaining

sophia I looked up the fist-nomming because P does that too. It is likely to be a combination of just playing and tiredness. Also, thank you for nappy sniffing. That is the sort of solidarity I have come to expect from those in the group grin

yellow that GP clearly has no idea who he is dealing with. You are a force - J is a lucky baby. I get infuriated by the suggestion that babies just cry or being told that they grow out of it. I wouldn't tolerate my mouth being filled with acid multiple times a day so why should a baby?

On that note . . .

kissy I am glad you got the meds your LO needs. YW is right in what she says about domperidone. P is on it and it is a massive help to her as a FF baby with a tendency towards serious constipation. For us, it's a nice side-effect.

Errr . . .

Oh pidj what a complete load of shite from your HV. Why is it so hard to get some of these people to take us seriously. It's like as soon as you have a baby you become invisible.

I think the beef crisps thing in the p might just be full nappies. However, there are breweries / whisky storage near here and, to be honest, the smell is the same. I actually now think having stuck my face in many nappies that the smell comes from the milk she is on. I have made another thread asking I anyone knows how to get the smell out of the bottles - the stuff reaks.

Aargh. What else did I want to say???

Passmethecrisps Tue 22-Jan-13 17:41:26

And you can just join the Facebook group without a request anymore. Used to be secret. Now t'is not

Passmethecrisps Tue 22-Jan-13 17:43:34

I meant the smell of her milk out of bottles. Not the smell of wee. I am not bottling her wee.

Passmethecrisps Tue 22-Jan-13 17:44:02

Although that would be an unusual keepsake.

horseylady Tue 22-Jan-13 17:45:03

Kirrin - you think horse people are bad? The dog work evil!!! I'd love for my horses to live out. Sadly we dont have the grazing. My pony (although out on loan) melts in most weather!! My tb just trashes the ground. The section as are ok. But they stay in to keep her company. I just don't have the land to let her wreck it. She goes out with hay in the dry.

No more rolling so far. But he's been on me most of the day!!

Has anyone read wonder weeks? It's very interesting!

Passmethecrisps Tue 22-Jan-13 17:48:20

I flicked through that horsey. P seems more on line with those than typical growth spurts eg. Going mental at 8 weekd

horseylady Tue 22-Jan-13 17:55:08

Yes e the same!! Not read it thoroughly yet doubt I will but it seems quite good!

Passmethecrisps Tue 22-Jan-13 18:04:18

At the moment I feel like I will never read anything apart from mumsnet ever again!

I have a question!

When sitting in her bouncer P has taken to straining forward if that makes sense. The other day when she was in te pram she did the same thing - sort of pushing forward from the waist. Could she be trying to sit up?

PurplePidjin Tue 22-Jan-13 18:09:05

Thanks, sure start lady is going to follow up with hv and I'm seeing my gp tomorrow - dp has advised i stage a meltdown i haven't told him how little acting will be required

horseylady Tue 22-Jan-13 18:22:12

Pass - e doing the same. I assumed it trying to support himself more.

YellowWellies Tue 22-Jan-13 18:27:32

Pass that sounds like she's trying to sit - clever poppet!!!!!

We've had a roll from his tummy onto his back - whoop!

We might also have 'short man syndrome'. Jonas has just met MM's beautiful Matilda and despite being 6 weeks senior he is clearly a short arse - no one tell him!!!! He tried to impress her by letting her sit on his swing....

horsey my sister raves about Wonder Weeks - I've got the app on my iPhone - its great though the timing doesn't seem to fit with a premmie even using his EDD as recommended. Anyone else find that?

Now how do I change my name to 'YellowWillies'!!!! wink

NotSoNervous Tue 22-Jan-13 18:36:39

Wow, I last come on last night and have 150 posts to catch up on

PR I agree that you do write very well and agree with what you said. This place is such a great place to come for support, to vent and advice. I do feel like you can say whatever you need on this thread and not be judged but given support. I also prefer to ask for advice on here because its given with the best intention and I can take what I want and what I think would work for me which in RL I don't like getting advice off people because I always feel its forced upon me to do it and listen to it and if I don't take it I'm judged as a mother and its not fair. Every baby is different and so is every parent.

How's Oscar after his jabs detective?

My LO had hers today and omg it was awful, she was screaming and screaming and hen fall asleep but woke up screaming sad poor things

Damn there was so much I wanted to comment on but I still suffer from baby brain!

I've ordered an electric breast pump, the spectra 3. Is it sad that I'm excited for it to arrive? grin

TheDetective Tue 22-Jan-13 18:37:18

Do it do it do it <cackles from the sidelines but I've no idea how you do it!!>

I toyed with the idea of becoming TheDicktective grin. Maybe we should all adopt penis inspired user names. I'm so childish!

horseylady Tue 22-Jan-13 18:37:18

Reading the book which is more general in terms of timings etc.

Apparently i need to do some sort of upgrade on my phone?!

Sophiathesnowfairy Tue 22-Jan-13 18:42:38

Oh yeah pass I meant to say,......am out off beef crisps forever!

Must be stunt but all I can offer him for dessert is a muller corner or a weightwatchers yoghurt! hmm

TheDetective Tue 22-Jan-13 18:42:52

Awww Nervous poor little thing! It feels awful doesn't it? They look at you with their big eyes and you feel horrible because you can't tell them it's for their own good!

Oscar had a good scream poor nurse, she should invest in ear plugs but he was part way through a feed. I carried on feeding him when we got back in the waiting room and he chilled out. He doesn't seem bothered yet, but we shall see what tonight brings! Am going to make DP go next time though grin!

Bloody jabs eh?!

TheDetective Tue 22-Jan-13 18:44:19

Awww Nervous poor little thing! It feels awful doesn't it? They look at you with their big eyes and you feel horrible because you can't tell them it's for their own good!

Oscar had a good scream poor nurse, she should invest in ear plugs but he was part way through a feed. I carried on feeding him when we got back in the waiting room and he chilled out. He doesn't seem bothered yet, but we shall see what tonight brings! Am going to make DP go next time though grin!

Bloody jabs eh?!

PhallusQueen Tue 22-Jan-13 18:49:56

I think that would be really really childish detective

PhallusQueen Tue 22-Jan-13 18:50:30

As indeed is posting twice.

TheDetective Tue 22-Jan-13 18:51:43

Lmfao!!! I've just laughed so much I made the baby drink milkshake!!!!

ValiumCock Tue 22-Jan-13 18:53:50

grin or should it be shock

ValiumCock Tue 22-Jan-13 18:55:27

In a previous life I was WillieWarmer

ValiumQueen Tue 22-Jan-13 18:58:05

That's better. It is quite easy to name change it seems.

SchlongNun Tue 22-Jan-13 19:11:44
GTbaby Tue 22-Jan-13 19:13:54

Vq. After years of trying to crochet YouTube is how I learntgrin

pikz Tue 22-Jan-13 19:30:11

I have just spat tea!!!! Lololol!!!

ValiumQueen Tue 22-Jan-13 19:49:16

Great link! I think I like pink oboe best!

GT thank you I will try that. I am left handed which I think confuses matters as I have to do everything in reverse.

PurplePidjin Tue 22-Jan-13 19:57:06
ValiumQueen Tue 22-Jan-13 19:59:49

Thank you PP

ValiumQueen Tue 22-Jan-13 20:00:39

Can you find any pictures of Harrison Ford naked?

ValiumQueen Tue 22-Jan-13 20:03:33

That is the other thing I have always wanted to do you see.

Passmethepenis Tue 22-Jan-13 20:05:28

You all make me giggle

Passmethepenis Tue 22-Jan-13 20:06:52

That link reminds me of a sex ed lesson - get the kids to write down all the words they know for boys bits, girls bits and sex. Is brill.

TheDetective Tue 22-Jan-13 20:07:21

Oh you wicked women!! I'm still sat here chortling away to myself!

Harrison Ford naked, from 30 years ago mind... not 60 odd year old Harrison Ford! My eyes they bleed!

I'm actually on the laptop, so I'm going to try and do a not so epic post when I've shovelled some dinner down! (DP finished at 7, so late dinner here!)

pikz Sorry I'm such a duhbrain, I reread your post, and saw you said about a swing! Not that you were doing anything naughty that I may or may not have suggested grin. Sorry! I blame reading on the phone...! Ignores the fact I'm just as bad on the laptop.

Passmethepenis Tue 22-Jan-13 20:07:26

<twirls wearing new name>

BigPigLittlePig Tue 22-Jan-13 20:09:50

I am suitably impressed by how the tone can change so quickly - such serious chat this morning, and now all-out smut.

I love it.

Passmethepenis Tue 22-Jan-13 20:09:52

That link is, however, missing 'purple headed custard chucker'. Sadly this means I giggle like a fool whenever I hear the line in All Things Bright and Beautiful' which goes 'the purple headed mountains'

Passmethepenis Tue 22-Jan-13 20:10:48

<wonders if suggesting a change to BigPenisLittlePenis is rude>

BigPigLittlePig Tue 22-Jan-13 20:13:29

Was thinking BigPrickLittlePrick. But that would mean working out how to change it...

Passmethecrisps Tue 22-Jan-13 20:16:52

I'm on my mobile so had to straddle the mobile site and the desktop one

Passmethecrisps Tue 22-Jan-13 20:17:54

And I love the word prick

Knobbingdowntheriver Tue 22-Jan-13 20:23:52

So immature

Passmethecrisps Tue 22-Jan-13 20:26:09


BigPigLittlePig Tue 22-Jan-13 20:29:55

Part of me would love to discover this thread for the first time at, say, 3am, during a particularly grim night. It would make it so much more bearable!

PetiteRaleuse Tue 22-Jan-13 20:31:51


kissyfur Tue 22-Jan-13 20:32:46

Lol at the name changes

And pass DP and I always giggle at the purple headed mountains line too grin glad we're not alone!

Poinswatterpikz Tue 22-Jan-13 20:41:24


Poinswatterpikz Tue 22-Jan-13 20:44:07

This thread has proper cheered me up tonight...

Sophiathesebastianicsword Tue 22-Jan-13 20:46:34

Can I play!

TheDetective Tue 22-Jan-13 20:46:37

I'm mega sulking!!!!!

Mine will not let me name change! shock

There is a problem with my email apparently, but the link I'm supposed to click on is a broken link. In the meanwhile it won't let me click on my nickname box.

You cocks mumsnet! grin

They must have seen my post ROFL!

BigPrickLittlePrick Tue 22-Jan-13 20:49:25

I did it! <pats self on back>

TheDetective Tue 22-Jan-13 20:49:53

Oh, damn I forgot to tell you yesterday!

Superdrug have huggies buy 1 get 2 free - at £2.29, so that's cheap!

Also, their formula is cheaper than anywhere else I've seen - only by pennies, but still! Every little helps, right?!

BigPrickLittlePrick Tue 22-Jan-13 20:50:08

Continuing my piggy theme, am a particular fan of the term pork sword

Sophiathesebastianicsword Tue 22-Jan-13 20:51:43

Lol bigprick

Where's the Tena?

Izzybuzzybuzzybees Tue 22-Jan-13 20:55:02

nervous I hope you like your new breast pump. I love mine hence why I recommended it on here smile

I think it was you that asked but j does feed to sleep most nights. Just tends to be how things work as we go upstairs, he wants another feed and then falls asleep!

Loving all the penis talk but I can't think of a name change!

TheDetective Tue 22-Jan-13 20:55:07

Poor TwoMany won't be able to join in... we shall have to have a new theme just for her!!!! grin

Sophiathesebastianicsword Tue 22-Jan-13 20:59:20

grin she was ahead of the game!

kissyfur Tue 22-Jan-13 21:00:14

I can't think of a name change either blush plus LO is having a screamathon!

Evilwater Tue 22-Jan-13 21:01:13

Hello all!
Sorry to hear about all the jabs. At least you were all brave to hold them! I had to get someone else to hold N. i really hate needles. I hope that the babies that have had the jabs stay grumpy free.

Madam you like to meet? I havnt been to exter for ages.

As for the smut yes please!!! I could do with a bucket load. No date here too. sad

Evil lance? Watery prick?


Pikz Tue 22-Jan-13 21:02:47

Evil I am having to take DP to hold LO as I will be useless like I was with the tongue tie.

Evilwater Tue 22-Jan-13 21:02:53

Ohh evil broomstick! It's great course I'm a pagan.

Evil broomstick.

Evilwater Tue 22-Jan-13 21:04:55

I'm glad I'm not the only one.
Evil broomstick

Passmethecrisps Tue 22-Jan-13 21:09:48

Watery penis sounds like someone needs to see a Dr.

BigPrickLittlePrick Tue 22-Jan-13 21:11:19

Pikz (or should that be prikz) and evil - when LO had her tt dealt with, I am ashamed to say that they took her to another room. I don't like mouths/teeth (or feet for that matter). It feels awful now I write it down...

Sophiathesebastianicsword Tue 22-Jan-13 21:12:46

How about * evil wing dang doodle" ?

Evilwater Tue 22-Jan-13 21:14:23

Ohhh good Sophia!

Pikz Tue 22-Jan-13 21:24:27

Lpbp prikz is ace... Wish I'd thought of that. LO has been asleep since 8. Think I have been enduring horrible grizzly evenings when actually I should have been putting him to sleep in his cot in his own room. <face palm>smile

ChunkyTodger Tue 22-Jan-13 21:31:07

<runs in late, out of breath...>

I thought ChubbyTodger was gilding the lily...

YellowWellies Tue 22-Jan-13 21:33:47

DH and I nearly got slung out of my nephew's christening due to infantile near pant-wetting giggles at the line about 'purple headed mountains' grin

GTbaby Tue 22-Jan-13 21:34:28

I can't think of one hmm

Kiddy how about kissyMyPricky ?

On a scale of one to ten. How bad should I feel for still not finishing LO blanket I started in
Was thinking I might make a quilt type thing from squares cut out of LO baby grows. But maybe I should focus finishing one project confused

BigPigLittlePig Tue 22-Jan-13 21:39:12

DH has just got home, not sure how to explain my infantile tittering

GTbaby Tue 22-Jan-13 21:43:58

I thing kissyMyPricky is a vulgar low I have hit

Evilwater Tue 22-Jan-13 21:47:31

Oh Wednesday tomorrow. A night off for me, what should I do??

ValiumQueen Tue 22-Jan-13 21:47:56

Have been trying to settle DS and missed such fun grin prikz was my first thought! These are fab grin

How about lady bits? I know a good one for stunt shock

Sophiathesnowfairy Tue 22-Jan-13 21:51:06

gt am going to Venue 5 on Friday ( I think as I just usually go where I am taken) have you been?

ValiumQueen Tue 22-Jan-13 21:51:41

I didn't even notice pass had name changed - must suit you grin

Pikz Tue 22-Jan-13 21:53:52

I'm still sniggering like a teenager in the corner

Kyzordz Tue 22-Jan-13 21:56:00

Oh I missed the fun! No idea what I could've been anyway! Listening to LO snuffling and grunting in bed. Had to leave dp to do bedtime tonight as I needed to help my mum at work and as such he was still awake but at least in bed when I got home, usually he's asleep by 8:30. Ah well, brownie points for doing it last minute just before his night shift and all that!

LO has been snuffling about for about 10 mins but hasn't yelled at me. He appears to be settling hope of all hopes

Probably be doing everyone's head in tonight again with random posts like last night! Sorry in advance!! Fingers crossed good nights are had by all smile

GTbaby Tue 22-Jan-13 22:00:34

It's not close to me soph. Tbh I don't like Indian food. So don't eat Indian when I'm eating out much. Lol

Ur in northolt right? Im trying to remember who was up for the Cha n samosa meet up we chatted about before Xmas.

Baby massage tomorrow. With trip to cafe once we r done smile really want some mum friends.

NotSoNervous Tue 22-Jan-13 22:03:39

grin loving the name changes

evil I didn't take DD to get he jabs done, I sat in the waiting room. I'm petrified of needles too and I just couldn't do it. I almost cried listening to her screams

sophia enjoy your date night wink

Thanks izzy smile I use to get excited over shoes and clothes, now it's a breast pump grin

My doctor gave me a repeat for thrush treatment because I've got it again angry twice in one month, just went to take it and checked the instructions that has do not take if pregnant or breastfeeding angry I'm not impressed

PetiteRaleuse Tue 22-Jan-13 22:08:55

Just back from A&E with LO. Slipped and fell early evening while carrying her. She whacked her head on the edge of the table as she fell, and whacked the back of her head on the wooden floor. But she's fine!! We called ambulance and were bluelighted in, seen immediately. But she's fine. I on the other hand have a bruised coccyx. But she's fine. Awful awful evening she cried so much of course. Felt so guilty. I don't know what I slipped on, the floor wasn't wet. Feel so guilty. Got to watch out for signs of concussion but she's sleeping happily now. I don't know if I'll ever sleep again though I might pass out from the pain

NotSoNervous Tue 22-Jan-13 22:12:22

Asda have a baby and toddler event on at the minute in case anyone didn't know, so r good offers on nappies and wipes

NotSoNervous Tue 22-Jan-13 22:13:46

shock petite that's awful. I'm glad your DDs okay, try and get some rest too and strong painkillers xx

PetiteRaleuse Tue 22-Jan-13 22:15:22

Oh I missed out on all the fun. I see however that upthread DD1 seems to have got hold of the iPad and done her first post. Great supervision DH

Sophiathesnowfairy Tue 22-Jan-13 22:17:12

Oh no pr I bet you feel a bit fragile now. Can Dh tuck you up and look after you?

Thanks nervous we have the table booked for tomorrow night, babysitter organised, all we need now is for no more snow and Olly to stay awake loads tomorrow so he goes down nicely, though don't think it would be a problem for the babysitter to have lots of cuddles anyway.

I am Bracknell gt usually takes us around 30 mins to get over to Southall and that's on a Friday night in the traffic. Defo up for a samosa/or coffee if you would rather(!) when the weather levels off a bit.

Passmethecrisps Tue 22-Jan-13 22:19:39

I did wonder why you were slightly less erudite than usual petite. Can DD1 read yet <worried we have scarred her for life emoticon>

I am also really sorry about another hospital visit for you. You just have no luck. Did you get any pain relief for you? What about LO? Would it be a bad idea in case of concussion?

Evilwater Tue 22-Jan-13 22:21:15

PR - I'm glad everything is ok. Must have been a huge shock, thinking of you and your LO. The first 24 is always the hardest.


PetiteRaleuse Tue 22-Jan-13 22:22:21

They gave her a paracetamol suppository and me a paracetamol pill. I'm not allowed nurofen so will make do and go to the Dr Thursday if no better. I feel awful. It could have been so much worse. Starting to think am cursed. Don't worry, DD1 can't read yet smile

TheDetective Tue 22-Jan-13 22:29:13

Oh bloody hell PR you poor bugger! Poor petitepetie! It is one of my biggest worries falling with the baby I am a natural clumsy bugger. You are both fine if you ignore your poor bum bone! though, that is the main thing. Lots of cuddles all around in the PR household!

If it makes you smile, you could be petitecock? petiteknob? Any choice on the petite theme really... grin.

BTW. You are the one to blame for me singing 'waddle waddle waddle' over and over and over. GRRRR! I'm sure it was you or was it chunky?! It was one of you buggers!!!!

TheDetective Tue 22-Jan-13 22:29:42


Kyzordz Tue 22-Jan-13 22:30:20

Oh no pr! Glad you're both ok though, hope you feel better soon bless you

Am feeding LO. Would've been due 11 but still awake and starting to get upset. If I'd have left him he would've fell asleep and not wanted food and then woke up at silly o clock!

TheDetective Tue 22-Jan-13 22:30:36

Up the bum paracetomol would have been better for you too!! Stingy buggers! Up the bum pain killers are soooooooo much better!

ValiumQueen Tue 22-Jan-13 22:32:31

Bloody hell PR your luck must change soon thanks wine I thought the post upthread was something rude I just did not get grin

MissMummy1 Tue 22-Jan-13 22:32:33

Oh heck PR - glad all okay! Sounds lime you need a medicinal brandy wine It's my biggest fear I stumble with Tilly as I'm so bloody clumbsy at the best of times!confused

All the fun she had with the lovely Jonas this afternoon has left her wired!! YW, my DP has been giving her a wee pep talk about not making short men feel bad. Chuffing hilarious! J is gorgeous btw!! grin

ValiumQueen Tue 22-Jan-13 22:36:32

PR is the way to go! I keep saying grin (Per Rectum? Up the bum?)

TheDetective Tue 22-Jan-13 22:37:04

My tall boys worry me as a short arse! DS1 is almost bigger than me, at 10. Feck. Oscar is set to be exactly the same! He was the same length at birth, and following the same heights that DS was at 4 weeks and 8 weeks! He is 62cm now. The lanky bugger!

I was a tall baby though, and I turned out at 5ft2. I just stopped growing at 11! Will be interesting to see what DS1 does as he is coming up to that height and will be 11 in 6 weeks!

TheDetective Tue 22-Jan-13 22:37:28

PR for PR!

ValiumQueen Tue 22-Jan-13 22:39:48

Exactly! finally

PetiteRaleuse Tue 22-Jan-13 22:42:50

I slipped with her on the ice yesterday and didn't fall and said to DH last night that falling with her was my worst nightmare and then it bloody well happened. I'm still a little bit in shock. In bed now and have some wine chilling for tomorrow night because I bloody well deserve it. Sooo lucky I fell backwards and dropped her at the last second. It would have been awful if had fallen forwards. My poor baby sad

PetiteRaleuse Tue 22-Jan-13 22:44:54

With the pain in my coccyx it will be a long while before anything goes PR grin

TheDetective Tue 22-Jan-13 22:49:54

You could always make double use of the wine?! Would be quite cooling me thinks!

PetiteRaleuse Tue 22-Jan-13 22:54:35

<Sings> waddle waddle waddle, til the very next day....

THAT, Detective, was for hinting there is any other use for lovely wine than for me to drink it. You'll never get that song out of your head.

BigPigLittlePig Tue 22-Jan-13 22:57:18

Oh pr that sounds awful you poor thing. Glad LO is ok. A friend of mine has a dd who is 14m old, and was in a sling on her front; she tripped over the kerb and went headfirst, luckily managed to not land on the baby but ruined her hands. Her dh just shrieked "have you squashed the baby?"

Have just put LO down in her crib, quickest transfer ever, not even a whimper. Could this be the start of something hmm?? <more crossing of fingers (and toes)>

TheDetective Tue 22-Jan-13 23:03:33

I just dug out DS1's growth charts - my boys are growing at almost exactly the same rate!!!!

DS1 8lb5oz and 55cm at birth. 5 wks 5 days, 11lb 5oz and 60cm.

DS2 6lb12oz and 55cm at birth. 5 wks 6 days 9lb13 and 60cm.

They both put 3lb on in the same time frame, though obviously DS1 is the heavier of the 2! And they are following the same height!

Glad I kept a record, as its interesting to look at! DS1 gained on average 1/2 a pound a week! Except between week 7 and 8 (for some reason I had him weighed 2 weeks in a row) when he put 1lb on! (Growth spurt much?!?!)

I'm not planning on getting Oscar weighed anywhere near as much as DS1. I didn't know how often I should take him back then, so took him every 2 weeks until 4 months when I took him monthly. I'll take Oscar once a month maximum, til 6 months, then 3 monthly.

Oh, has anyone else been given a 6 week HV appt at home? Or a 3-4 month one? I'm a little suspicious. As far as I know there are no such thing as home visits after the initial one. Wonder why.... hmm?! I told them they can't come anyway grin.

Kyzordz Tue 22-Jan-13 23:03:48

3 measly oz! Was there any point?!? Oh well, he's asleep now so am gonna try get a bit too! Wonder how long he'll go on three sodding ounces....

TheDetective Tue 22-Jan-13 23:08:13

Oh PR you barsteward!!! I'm gonna whisper it to DP as he falls asleep 2 seconds after we get in bed tonight. It'll be in his head aaaaaaaaaaaall night long grin.

Do you want my falling over story?! When DS1 was 10 months, I got one of those cheapy Mothercare Jive buggies, for ease of use on buses. First trip out, I stepped down a kerb when the front wheels (swivel ones) jammed and the whole thing tipped forwards, with me on top of it, in a fecking road. How nothing serious happened, I don't know, it was January and DS1 was all padded up thank frig.

Babies are more robust than we think though, as they don't tense like we do.

ValiumQueen Tue 22-Jan-13 23:10:05

Religion alert. Feel free to ignore.

PR was it yourself that was thinking of going to church? I meant to mention this before that nobody there should be annoyed by your personal beliefs or lack thereof. I hope they welcome you with open arms. I know for a fact that God will be pleased to see you there as He is a personal friend of mine. Hopefully you will meet a few people who you can become friendly with, and the children can make their own minds up about what they believe in their own sweet time.

ValiumQueen Tue 22-Jan-13 23:16:31

DS in cot in room asleep 11pm. VQ checking out, wishing everyone a good night, especially those who had a shitty night last night x

PetiteRaleuse Tue 22-Jan-13 23:17:00

grin Detective

yes VQ it was me. Am starting to think I might be cursed so maybe it would be a good idea. I'm spiritual but not conventionally religious. Won't do us any harm at any rate.

TheDetective Tue 22-Jan-13 23:21:56

Goodnight VQ! And I hope that sincerely!!

Izzybuzzybuzzybees Tue 22-Jan-13 23:22:45

We are upstairs feeding. Hoping for a good night as have a busy day ahead. Dd at nursery from 9am so I have a nice day planned. Got to get to the nursery for 9 tho that's the tricky part!!

GTbaby Tue 22-Jan-13 23:25:57

PR. big hugs.
Watching wire failed other night. So tonight I start dexter.

Soph samosa party it is. Will put u on my list. Anyone else interested in a west London meet up inbox me so we don't clutter up this thread. Will try sort it out for feb some time.

CandyPop Tue 22-Jan-13 23:43:59

Yikes pr ..... Must have been scary stuff. Glad it's not too serious

Damn it missed all the fun .......

Think I caught ANOTHER case of potential mastitis ! BUT massaged like mad and I think it has been unblocked. Temp has also come back down again to normal although that could be the paracetamol . Will have to see how I feel in the morning...
Right feed done , time to do transfer!

Night all!

ChunkyChicken Tue 22-Jan-13 23:44:46

Trying to decide whether to do a dream feed or not...

Anyway, off to bed I go.
Good night all.

StuntNun Wed 23-Jan-13 00:04:03

I have a HV appointment for March Detective so it's not just you.

Nervous my thrush cream said the same so I phoned the pharmacy and they said it was okay as it was 1%.

I second VQ as well PR. It's good to take your children to church and let them make their own minds up whether they want to keep going when they're older. I think there's a lot of education to be found there on a moral and a cultural level as well as on a spiritual level.

TheDetective Wed 23-Jan-13 00:20:13

Oh good stunt! grin feel less picked on now!

Canesten cream is fine when bf, I think the peasary is too. It's just the tablet you can't have. IIRC!

Oscar is a sleepy thing so far tonight. He slept from 8 and I woke him to feed at 930. He went back to sleep and DP kept hold of him til we came to bed. I put him in the basket and he wasn't arsed!

Me and DP have just been rolling round the bed singing the duck song! I'm sure Oscar is going to wake any moment and tell us to go the fuck to sleep!! grin.

Oscar is 2 months today. Happy 2 month birthday!

kirrinIsland Wed 23-Jan-13 00:32:05

Scary stuff pr Hope you are both ok xx

I was supposed to have another hv appointment, according to what was said last time, but I haven't heard anything about it since and I'm not going to chase it.

Good night everyone. Hope I don't see you till morning - and I mean that in the nicest possible way!!

TheDetective Wed 23-Jan-13 00:39:44

Can I just ask before I go to sleep!! does anyone enjoy sex more since having their babies?! blush

It sounds wrong but I feel better down below after a shag, and everything has been stretched!

ComradeJing Wed 23-Jan-13 00:40:15

Hi all smile

VQ I know your religion post wasn't aimed at me at all but responding anyway. DH is religious and as we've just moved into a new area he's persuaded me to join him at church on Sundays. Feeling very conflicted about it but at least it's getting me out the house and I'm actually meeting people. Dd has found a little friend too which is brilliant.

General wave to everyone. Almost lunchtime here and the weather has finally cooled down.

TheDetective Wed 23-Jan-13 00:41:12

Damn posted before I was finished! I'm quite numb down there and I think that's why it's ummmm, more pleasurable?! I'm not sure. Strange...! It's that nice feeling you get when you scratch a scar blush.

ComradeJing Wed 23-Jan-13 00:42:04

Detective I'd rather saw my own arm off than have sex right now. Tried once so far and it was hell. Thinking about having a bath in lube first trying again tonight but I'm really anxious about it.

TheDetective Wed 23-Jan-13 00:42:16

I need a fanny stretcher grin

TheDetective Wed 23-Jan-13 00:44:43

I just don't get how I can't do normal day to day stuff without aching and pains. But I can have a shag and feel better after it. Go figure... hmm. It wasn't comfortable for many months after DS1 and technically he was a sunroofer. Although I had an epis too so I suppose that didn't help. My body is confusing me!!

ComradeJing Wed 23-Jan-13 00:48:59

Fanny stretcher grin

It was the same- as in crap sex- with dd until I finished bfing.

ValiumQueen Wed 23-Jan-13 02:43:37

PR thinking of Jonah actually... The people who have hurt me most have professed to have a faith, and I tried to deny mine for 7 long years. It still works for me though.

comrade I hope you meet some kind folk.

detective a bum stretcher is what you need! Seriously, like with your fanny it may just help!

J slept exactly 3 hours. About to try to settle.I am having such cool dreams since I put him in his own room.

rowingdowntheriver Wed 23-Jan-13 03:13:30

pr, that sounds terrifying, so glad you are both relatively unharmed. I'm pretty sure you have used up your last dose of bad luck and life will be plain sailing now for ages.

Long witter re church...

I was brought up going to church / Sunday school until I was about 10 as my dad was really involved in our local church. We then moved south and never went again and at some point my dad became a humanist and atheist.

I don't know if it is related, and I am sure it is a pretty common / natural fear, but I have a huge fear of death. It has been worse after the birth of each DS (fear of their death, my death, my parents death, DH's death) that is with me a lot of the time and seems to taint a lot of positive things that happen in life. Eg, if my mum and DS1 have a lovely day together some part of me is thinking that she will die and then they won't have anymore days like that and I'll really really miss her. The fear faded a while after DS1's birth and is fading after DS2 but I'm still waiting for it to go back to a more normal level after DS2.

I googled what causes this fear and very often it is linked to a conflict / changing spiritual belief. I certainly have that - want to believe in something but can't believe in the church, then worry about going to hell for not believing.confused

Have considered joining the church locally as it is a big social thing for my friends in my street (as it helps get your kids into the better local schools) but feel hypocritical about going. Really don't know.

Right, having bored you all to sleep, I'm going to attempt the cot trf!

ChunkyChicken Wed 23-Jan-13 04:15:24

Last night, poonami so not sure if he genuinely needed a feed, tonight, 7hrs stretch as no dream feed. The 9hrs must have been a fluke. Dream feed for def tomorrow!!

PR shock glad you're ok-ish.

Pikz Wed 23-Jan-13 04:29:08

Ooohhh LO did down at 8pm, 11.30 and 4am!! Now let's hope he sleeps til 8.

GTbaby Wed 23-Jan-13 04:31:58

Naughty baby doesn't understand I need sleep.

StuntNun Wed 23-Jan-13 04:57:42

It isn't hypocritical to go to church if you aren't sure what you believe in Rowing. You can go to church to learn more about faith. It doesn't have to happen all at once like a bolt out of the blue, you can't easily nurture the seed of faith within you without being part of a church fellowship. It's normal for believers to have a crisis of faith in response to life changing events but that doesn't mean they stop going to church.

I don't understand the humanist movement at all. My friend had a humanist wedding and it seems to be a religion-substitute for atheists. Maybe I missed the point but I'm not certain why atheists need a social group of this type. I'm an atheist therefore I have not had my children christened or baptised. I don't see why I should substitute a humanist naming ceremony. To me that is having your cake and eating it, you don't want to participate in religion but you still want the social trappings associated with it.

Sorry about the early morning religious debate. The Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster is more my thing. It debunks creationism and explains global warming.

DH gave J a bottle for a dream feed at 10:30 last night and we're only on the second feed of the night with a good chance of him going until morning. Maybe that's something we should do more often as I felt like I was completely out of milk last night after an hour-long feed earlier in the evening.

kirrinIsland Wed 23-Jan-13 05:11:01

Up for the first feed of the night. Not bad going! But I'm doing a BF rather than a bottle, so we'll see how long it takes for her to re-settle. Might be up a while!.

rowing I also have that fear, although not about my own death. I find myself thinking too much of something happening to the DC in particular. I know what you mean about it tainting positive experiences, sometimes it can be a bit all-consuming, and for me it has got worse since my mum died, as that is my first experience of real grief and it's awful sad
I had assumed it was related to becoming a parent so it's interesting to see it can also be to do with a change in beliefs.

I thought N had properly gone to sleep while I was writing that, but she's just stirred so back to feeding for me! I have a feeling I'm going to wish I'd just given a bottle.....

CandyPop Wed 23-Jan-13 05:31:39

Whoop whoop just had 5hrs and 40 mins stretch in betweeb feeds! I think this is our first technical sleeping through the night!

Hmm we like our early morning debates! I'm an atheist but like rowing also have a fear of going to hell for not believing?!?! It doesn't really make sense does it as nob believing means not believing in such thing as hell! My thoughts are if I lived my life as good a person as a can and not hurt anyone, surely if there is such thing as god , when the time comes I still get to go to 'heaven' or any equivalent ?!?! If I get condemned to hell just for not believing although I haven't been a bad person then I think thats petty of 'god' and I wouldn't want to join that gang anyway. def will have a big debate with the big man upstairs on why I should be sent down rather than up ESP if some 'bad people' have been sent up just because they have asked for forgiveness ?! <did I just confirm my place in hell for saying that?! >

That's my piece on religion .... Now can I get more sleep?!

CandyPop Wed 23-Jan-13 05:32:30

Nob believing hehe I meant non believing!

Clarella Wed 23-Jan-13 06:02:09

catching up ...... on 5 pages of Willy talk!

Clarella Wed 23-Jan-13 06:18:51

...... which some how swung to religious talk?!

Clarella Wed 23-Jan-13 06:22:40

hope lo is ok this morning .pr?

cocked up night time by not effectively winding sad he's woken every 2 hours and then the last time whinged for 45 mins till we got the previous 5hours worth of wind up. bugger.

still, eve went better as we did all feeds in bedroom lights low etc - we were going to abandon the ebm bottle but dh snuck it in when he was calm. attempting transfer now, think will have a lie ij an stay in pjs all day....

Clarella Wed 23-Jan-13 06:25:00

oh I'd love to write all my thoughts about religion!

main on is though there's a big difference between religion and faith. a v Christian pal taught me that.

Clarella Wed 23-Jan-13 06:25:46

omg 4 posts in row!!! you're all sleeping grrrrr

PetiteRaleuse Wed 23-Jan-13 06:28:35

LO is fine this morning. I, however, am in agony. Am OK when sat, or when standing, or when lying. It's getting there which is the problem. Don't know how I am going to cope with the children today, I have no-one to help me. You see, if I went to church, I could call the priest and he could rally round some ladies to come and help. Or something.

PetiteRaleuse Wed 23-Jan-13 06:29:22

Her head is a bit of a funny shape though on one side. i guess like with forceps babies it'll just go back to normal?

ValiumQueen Wed 23-Jan-13 06:38:27

If I said DS woke at 2 and then at 6 would you believe me? As we get up at 6 that would be one night waking! He took 45 mins to feed and settle. This is after settling at 11 without CC, just self settling. No CC at all last night!

Very interesting views on religion. Particularly like the Nob believer and Flying Spaghetti Monster comments! I too have a fear of death, and dying. I would prefer assention. I also do not want to lose anyone I love. I also know I am not going to hell, which is nice. I know I am going to heaven, but want to postpone it as long as possible!

Off to start my day. Have a good one ladies x

ValiumQueen Wed 23-Jan-13 06:43:43

Oh dear PR sorry to hear!

clarella very true about religion and faith. What would your smutty name change be?

StuntNun Wed 23-Jan-13 06:46:08

DS2's head went like that PR from sleeping on his side all the time. I'm waiting for him to go bald to see whether it persisted. Paracetamol doesn't seem like much for that level of pain. Can you take Ibuprofen as well?

rowingdowntheriver Wed 23-Jan-13 06:49:34

kirrin, I'm so sorry that your mum has died.

I hadn't really linked the life changing event of having children with my fear getting worse but that would make sense. For me maybe it is the combination of the life changing event plus the lack of any spiritual certainty.

candy, the way you have described your religious philosophy is exactly how I feel about it!

stuntnun, I like your thinking about church, I'll stop feeling like a hypocrite for considering going when I don't believe in it!

I don't know much about humanists but I think they have ceremonies to celebrate the beauty of life itself and its important events. They just don't involve god in their celebrations. If that is what they are about, I kind of like the idea of it.

rowingdowntheriver Wed 23-Jan-13 06:58:37

Oh petite, you poor thing.

Paracetamol can be a great painkiller once you get on top of the pain and then take it regularly. Not so great for getting on top of it on the first place. Ibroprofen, like stuntnun said, may help? Or a hot water bottle? Good luck for getting through the day.

Yay to a good night sleep valium! DS2 has also slept much better tonight - not amazingly, but a huge improvement on the last week. As well as a proper feed at 2.30, he has had 2 feeds (one just now) where he woke up and fed for literally 2 minutes then went back to sleep. Weird.

ValiumQueen Wed 23-Jan-13 07:27:02

Glad things are improving rowing I think PR has an allergy to Brufen.

PR could you get up-the-bum paracetamol? Much more effective. Hope you soon feel better.

PetiteRaleuse Wed 23-Jan-13 07:30:29

Afraid the last time I took an anti inflammatory, just after DD1's birth my stomach haemorraged and I almost died (almost, you see I am lucky hmm ) so I am off anti inflammatories for life.

Which brings me nicely onto the subject of death. I was about as close as you can get without actually dying. It really is nothing to be frightened of - I remember fighting for a moment, and panicking, and then suddenly relaxing and allowing it to happen. A few bits of images went through my mind, which I can still remember very vividly indeed. I am more frightened now of it than when it was staring me in the face. But only because I don't want to leave my children or just daughter as it was then, and husband. That idea, ad how close it got, has haunted me ever since, day in and day out. But the actual dying? Nothing easier.

Waking up on life support tied down to the bed and massive tubes down my throat breathing for me? Far far far scarier.

PetiteRaleuse Wed 23-Jan-13 07:31:47

VQ i can't get to the pharmacy unfortunately. DH is hoping to not be too late tonight so maybe he will be able to go and get me some if it is still open.

TheDetective Wed 23-Jan-13 07:34:12

Well blow me down with a feather. I can't sleep because I'm so excited! DP woke up when Oscar wanted a feed shock I woke 2 minutes before him though!! without me kicking him or prodding him!! He just woke, sat up, then got a bottle. Bloody hell. Talk about swapping the baby, someone swapped my DP!!

We did 9.30-6 last night. The previous nights are forgiven. grin

I stayed awake through DP feeding and taught him the art of the successful basket transfer hmm so now I'm awake while everyone else is asleep. Including DS1 who should be up right about now...!

PetiteRaleuse Wed 23-Jan-13 07:36:41

Wow Detective your DP is making progress smile

Waddle waddle waddle

TheDetective Wed 23-Jan-13 07:37:23

Jeez PR surely you are due some good luck now?? That sounds bloody terrifying. You're a brave woman! I'd be a quivvering wreck for sure!!

TheDetective Wed 23-Jan-13 07:39:29


Off to poke DP and do same grin.

TheDetective Wed 23-Jan-13 07:40:54

Poke in the sense of in the arm. Nothing smutty grin. I know how some people's minds work!!

kirrinIsland Wed 23-Jan-13 07:46:32

Wow - it seems a few of us had a decent night last night smile

petite not so good for you sad any chance of DH staying home today?

Thanks rowing

Well, N has drifted back off. I'm tempted to do the same but I might as well get up, I suppose.

PetiteRaleuse Wed 23-Jan-13 07:46:58

I don't know. Maybe I am lucky. I broke my back without any long term damage. I miscarried but went on to have a really healthy girl. I survived the stomach issue beyond all hope, even the doctors didn't think I'd pull through after the stomach surgery. At my early scan with LO there was no heartbeat and I was told to prepare myself for the worst, but then two weeks later there was one, and here she is. And then yesterday I dropped her on her head and she is gigglîg as if it never happened. So maybe I am lucky. Or cursed. Or lucky. I don't know.

PetiteRaleuse Wed 23-Jan-13 07:48:31

No kirrin I'm afraid he has gone to work. He says he may be able to get home early though. Sorry about your mum x

TheDetective Wed 23-Jan-13 07:58:13

Cursed and lucky in equal measures?!

PetiteRaleuse Wed 23-Jan-13 07:59:43

Dunno. I do long for a boring, healthy life where nothing much happens though.

ValiumQueen Wed 23-Jan-13 08:02:17

PR clearly the good Lord has a purpose for your life wink

Sophiathesnowfairy Wed 23-Jan-13 08:17:29

Morning all.

What I love about you lot is that we can go from willy talk to religion in less than 12 hours!

I suspect pr after all that that perhaps you are being looked after, just not by church ladies! I also have God in my quiche. I have had none of my DCs Christened, they must make up there own minds and come to it by themselves. I could not have got through the last years, mums death (with you on that kirrin nothing can prepare you <hugs>)and my divorce without my church community. I will miss it when I move to NI as I don't suspect it will be quite the same.

detective your DP is advanced for 8 weeks, I hope you have marked down this milestone!!!

Clarella Wed 23-Jan-13 08:21:46

oh that's awful pr - could dh stay today? bruised cocyxs are horrid.

kirrin I missed your post about your mum - so sorry. <hugs>

my mn name is crap - can't do anything with it! I do have another up my sleeve which is my favourite oil paint colour but then I'd confuse people.

grr - the bottle of ebm I blearily saw dh give was formula! he said he did it cos he thought lo needed it now and ebm was too cold! I don't want ti go down that route - at least not yet - and .hr knows it! and anyway I think it sounds like lo needed winding not feeding as he fell asleep in seconds and had hardly any! if I can bank some sleep today am seriously considering doing all the feeds (.bf) all night to see if we get a better night cos I'm suspicious now of dhs winding efficacy (or aibu) (probably)

Sophiathesnowfairy Wed 23-Jan-13 08:22:40

I have swished an swiped
Emptied the wishdosher
Made the bed
Rebooted the laundry
Got dressed
Make up
(No hair as I am going to the hairdressers so that would be silly)

Not necessarily in that order.

Am I Fly?

Clarella Wed 23-Jan-13 08:24:29

what you say about near death pr I found strangely comforting - about it being easy. you are one tough cookie

PetiteRaleuse Wed 23-Jan-13 08:24:50

Do you have a shiny sink? If the sink's not shiny you ain't Fly.

Clarella Wed 23-Jan-13 08:26:25

have you given lo away Sophia envy

George just giggled in his sleep grin was lovely

horseylady Wed 23-Jan-13 08:26:51

No. Sleep. Here.

Poor chap was hysterical. Eventually decided it must be pain related and gave him some Calpol. At 4am. He then fed and went off to sleep. He woke at 7 and sounds full if cold so I wonder if he's got what I've had/got. Any matchsticks needed today.

Erm church debate - I don't go often. I've never been to my local church but we did go Sunday and I went to a group last Tuesday. As always, everyone very friendly and welcoming. Ds is being christened there next month and I'm impressed with how set up for kids they are. To be honest, I don't think you need to go to church every Sunday. I don't think you need to go at all. I think you just need to treat people as you want to be treated. Ken follet has written two superb novels (which were then made into tv shows!) and if you ever fancy reading about religion a few hundred years ago via a story book then I really recommend pillars of the earth and the work without end. They are mammouth books but brilliant ones!! If not then read fingersmith. Nothing to do with religion but a surprisingly good book smile

Right busy day ahead. Need to book our holiday for Easter!

horseylady Wed 23-Jan-13 08:31:27

Pr - I've spent some time in end of life care. People die in different ways. Strangely, my mother in law Faught death to her last breath. Which I found odd. She gave up living months before then when it was too late started fighting? And she was scared.

My mum though had a near death experience and was strangely calmed by it.

If I didn't do the job I do I'd definitely work in end if life. Or produce horses!!

Sophiathesnowfairy Wed 23-Jan-13 08:31:42

No. He is here on my knee clarella

I was awake at 6 got dressed before everyone else woke up, got DS2 ready for nursery and dispatched him an DH and got on with it.

I now have to gather up the obscene amount of bottles we have amassed over the snowy weekend and take them too the bottle bank. confused

I think am having an adrenalin rush because of my hot date tonight! grin

Sophiathesnowfairy Wed 23-Jan-13 08:32:17

pr it is it is!!!!

horseylady Wed 23-Jan-13 08:32:25

World without end.

Dixiebell Wed 23-Jan-13 08:33:06

Another snow day. Fed up now. I have already completely lost it with ds1, sad shouted at him like a crazy lady. He wasn't even being that naughty, just generally moaning, asking for more Peppa, and saying no to everything. Standard stuff. Think it's the thought of 12 hours ahead stuck inside with more of the same.

Clarella Wed 23-Jan-13 08:42:16

I can get v annoyed with religion. same pal who pointed out difference between religion and faith was part of a big evangelistic church here. she was desperately trying to get me into it plus I was seeing a guy who's family were very in it too (though he had stopped) so I got to know a lot of people. due to being with this guy I then also heard about all the cheating and sleeping about that was going on amongst the lads while the girls thought them pure etc. it did my head in. the church collapsed in the end due to the main pastor cheating. so I had an extremely good example of the difference between faith and religion.

however - there was an amazing community of people who looked out for on another. I grew up in the peak district and was dragged to the cold damp church, fell asleepdduring sermons and would try singing hymns backwards for fun. however the local(ish -many hills between us) kids got together and formed a little orchestra - so we all got to know one another - and the church based stuff eg harvest festival dance etc was the one time you'd see everyone in the parish - plus the welldressing (Google it -I did wormhills year 2000 one) had us all in a barn till midnight for a week every last week in august. a pagan thing the church adopted grin

basically some religion good, some bad. I see it's anthropological purpose and have a little faith myself but not really in a specified way - Quakers make a lot of sense to me except I like new shoes too much to be one (though the days of shoe buying for me are over!!)

PetiteRaleuse Wed 23-Jan-13 08:43:17

Sympathy Dixie . DD1 is throwing stuff on the floor coz she has already worked out I can't bend down to pick up. Like I need to slip on something again.

Sophiathesnowfairy Wed 23-Jan-13 08:44:14

pr I just put a picture of my Shiney sink on fb, but then wondered whether you are on the fb group?

PetiteRaleuse Wed 23-Jan-13 08:45:38

I am. I'll go and look. I'd put mine up but haven't done it today. Am having a day off housework.

TheTiger Wed 23-Jan-13 08:45:49

Jealous of all of you having lovely long sleeps envy

Here, DS had a feed at 22.00, went straight to sleep after and woke at 1.15, fed and again straight to sleep. Then he woke at 4 am screeching for no apparent reason. Got him back to sleep at 4.20 then he was up again crying at 4.40. Back to sleep within 10 mins then awake and fed at 5.30 am. He decided that was waking up time!! He's currently snoozing on my knee, little terror. I have to keep him upright for 30 mins after each feed as well (reflux) so I'm up for an hour with each feed!

Anyone else who's baby s around 14 weeks and FF? He was taking 5-6 oz every 4-5 hours but has dropped to 4oz, sometimes only 3 oz, every 3-4 hours. He was on C&G comfort (for colic) but I changed him back to normal C&G 10 days ago, that's when he reduced his feeds. I'm just worried he's not getting enough. He takes about 24 oz a day, according to the milk box he should be on 30 oz. he's a big boy as well, 75th centiles for weight and length.

TheTiger Wed 23-Jan-13 08:47:09

Sorry, long rambling post and didn't actually get to my point: those of you who's babies are similar age and FF, how much milk do they take?

Sophiathesnowfairy Wed 23-Jan-13 08:50:17

I would have a day off as much as poss if I were you. Xx

fruitpastilles Wed 23-Jan-13 08:54:36

Hi all!
Dd is a November 2012 baby and I'd like to join you all! It's nice to have a bit of support from people who know exactly where you are comin from, and to be able to support others! Dd is 10 weeks old now and 'coming on a treat' as my mom keeps saying (she's not a plant mother!) So I hope you all don't mind me butting in now and again smile

PetiteRaleuse Wed 23-Jan-13 09:02:52

Welcome Fruit I hope you have lots of time to catch up on threads, we are moderately chatty smile

Tiger LO is your LO's age and has days where she eats as little as 480ml so 16oz to days like Monday where she drinks 720ml soabout 24oz. She's never deunk more than that and she is 50th centile. I think like us they vary.

StuntNun Wed 23-Jan-13 09:03:26

Welcome to the gang Fruit.

Are you dressed to your shoes Sophia? That's one Fly thing I never do, I only put my shoes on when I'm leaving the house.

J is in his cot fighting sleep. I have someone coming to view the house tomorrow for the first time since e was born so I really need some time to get the place tidied up unruined.

horseylady Wed 23-Jan-13 09:07:42

Tiger ff and 12.5 weeks has 5-6oz at 7, then 8oz at 11,3,6.30 then anything from 5-8 oz at 10pm. Currently waking at 4 and having 4oz. Sometimes he doesn't eat all 8oz so prob has 7 on average. He's growth spurting ATM so eats tonnes during this time. The hv seemed to think he should be putting on more weight than he was but he never stops moving unless sleeping. And he moves enough then. He's about 13lb.

Im actually worried he'll be having two bottles a feed by the time he's 5 months!! I don't mind. He's very healthy!!

I wouldn't take his volumes of feed as normal though!! I was told 150-200ml per kg body weight. He's weighs about 6kg so will eat anywhere between 900 and 1200ml. 8oz is about 220ml. I think he prob has about 1litre a day sometimes more...

horseylady Wed 23-Jan-13 09:15:21

Ps he's 30th centile weight 70th height!!

PetiteRaleuse Wed 23-Jan-13 09:18:43

I only ever got as far as shiny sink, no shoes. Slippers though, but I'm binning them as I just slipped again (didn't fall and no babe in arms) It was the crappy marks and sparks slippers that started falling apart after two weeks post delivery. crap. Am sure thay used tobe good quality.

Thinking of my purpose vq could i be destined to write a cut the crap parenting guide?

horseylady Wed 23-Jan-13 09:24:10

Pr I have a pair of fit flop which are like slippers. I bought them after doing the three peaks and needing something soft when walking round the good food show and gardeners world the next day. I'll find link...

horseylady Wed 23-Jan-13 09:27:12

here you can get them a lot cheaper!! Mine 2.5 years old still look new!!

PetiteRaleuse Wed 23-Jan-13 09:32:39

Ooh they look very comfy, thanks.

Would love to do the three peaks. Have done Sca Fell and Snowdon but not at the same time. And it was more than ten years ago and before my accident. Really want to get back to peak (ha ha) fitness. I can see myself slipping into a life of laziness with my accident used as an excuse.

TooManyDicksOnTheDancefloor Wed 23-Jan-13 09:34:27

Morning all, I've only Just caught up! I see you we're all copying me with the penis related name! I laughed a lot at that this morning.

Gosh PR, I read your update with my heart in my mouth, how scary. Glad your LO is ok. We have two steps up to our front door and I had fallen on them twice since Friday, the first time I landed ony back and skinned my elbows. I have a lot of sympathy for you, make sure you rest up <hugs>.

DH also has a fear of death, his seems to be also linked to faith. He was involved in the church as a teenager but lost his faith about 10 years ago. His fear is that if there is no God, what happens you you when you die? He is terrified by the thought that death is the end and that's it. The fear suddenly takes him every now and then and it freaks him out. For agen he would wake in a start just after falling asleep and would be terrified. He took anti-d's for a whole which helped his sleeping.

That was a ramble!

TooManyDicksOnTheDancefloor Wed 23-Jan-13 09:36:16

Excuse typos, iPhone.

Brockle Wed 23-Jan-13 09:38:35

morning. I am envious of the shiny sinks. I could go and clean mine now but I am going to sit with a cuppa and peanut butter on toast instead.

as a resident lurked I only have admiration for the ability to discuss child rearing, penises and religion in just 24 hours.

Yousef has his jabs today. Dreading the jabs and the walk given that it is snowing again.sad

Y has slept detonate 9pm to 6am for last three nights but won't sleep upstairs by himself. He will self settle in his crib if I am in the room but not alone. It's not worked out too bad as I have got back to reading so I just read I'm bed and he sleeps in his crib but it is a bit odd. he must just know I am there. A Ewan has been purchased with the hope that it does the trick.smile

ChunkyChicken Wed 23-Jan-13 09:46:46

I love my fly flot mule slippers PR when its cold or for popping out on to the patio. So they'd be ideal for tiles/wood flooring. Shoeshop.com used to be cheap.

I bruised my coccyx when having DD. Bloody painful for a couple of wks after, but only when moving between standing/sitting/levels, as you say PR. Try alternating hot & cold packs on the area & sitting on a cushion on a high back chair, rather than slouching on the sofa.

Have done zero HW today so far. Only got up just after half 8 (DS decided 4am & then 6am were hungry times, & I'd got up to pump after he fed at 4 so not back in bed til 5am) but we're going out then I'll do stuff whilst DD is in bed.

I have a great many views about religion/faith. However, I'm on my phone typing one-thumbed. Suffice to say IMO each to their own!!

Morning everyone.

The willy talk cheered me right up. Gardenpricksies is my contribution grin

P trying to be more helpful after I had a go at him for his previous nights selfishness.

The girls have started babbling and it is adorable to listen to. DT1 has a squeaky high pitched babble and DT2 does this tongue sticky outy thing and makes deep squealing noises. They sit opposite each other (propped up) and "talk" to each other for ages. I love watching them! I keep thinking of all the lovely things we have in store while they grow & develop. So exciting!

PR that must have been really scary! I hope you are not so shaky now. It is one of my fears to fall with the babies I am naturally clumsy

I love talking about religion but I feel like my brain has turned to mush now My degree is in Religious Studies and I have a MA in Philosophy.

TheDetective Wed 23-Jan-13 10:22:15

I am not religious. blush I am not even interested in religion. Both me and DP are the same. I have not had my children christened/baptised. They can choose their own religion, or none at all. DS1 believed when he went to a catholic school, then stopped when he was no longer in a catholic school! (He only went to a catholic school because no childminders did the pick ups at the local no faith school!!!)

Sophia Me and DP had a good giggle there - will definitely make a note of the milestone wink.

Oscar has slept pretty much continuously since his jabs blush. He was awake for about an hour yesterday evening 7-8pm. Other than his feeds. Horsey I'll send some sleep over your way! We have enough to share!

PetiteRaleuse Wed 23-Jan-13 10:25:14

Garden the babbling is wonderful isn't it. I love it when LO shouts ohhhhh at me. Bt laughing at the same time. So cute.. I remember it well from last time round and really need to saour these moments as they are the last time we will get all these firsts.

Dtective Got any grapes?

TheDetective Wed 23-Jan-13 10:52:45

I only sell lemonade PR

kissyfur Wed 23-Jan-13 11:01:28

Think I've missed a lot over night! LO didn't sleep til gone 1.30 after crying most of the evening, then didnt wake til 6.30 for a feed, then we all slept til 9.30! Feel better after a rubbish day yesterday

PR you poor thing you really aren't having much luck at the moment. So glad LO is ok, hope you feel better soon thanks

Kirrin so sorry about your mum, and your mum Sophia x

Very funny to be going from willy talk to religious debate! I'm an atheist. I believe in nature and science, Richard Dawkins is one of my heroes. The rise of fundamentalism in the world frightens me, what with creationism being taught as a science in some states in America etc. A lot of religions seem to want to send the world backwards IMO.

Sorry stated rambling a bit there! Now to try and work out what fly is?! wink

TheDetective Wed 23-Jan-13 11:06:07

There is a car by my mums house. Reg. AM1 FLY.


TheDetective Wed 23-Jan-13 11:07:12

Or some variation. I forget the exact number/letter combo. But it makes me laugh!

Sophiathesnowfairy Wed 23-Jan-13 11:11:54

No stunt am a slippers girl. So am hoping the Fly police don't pop by!

BigPigLittlePig Wed 23-Jan-13 11:17:15

This morning I -
- have not got makeup on
- am still in bed blush
- have not had breakfast
- have an unshiny sink

Little pig did a poonami, then grinned for about 30 seconds. She looked so proud of herself. I have to say, I did not share the sentiment.

Sophiathesnowfairy Wed 23-Jan-13 11:20:05

Is ok, the Fly police are obviously outside detective's mums house! grin

Sophiathesnowfairy Wed 23-Jan-13 11:23:49


Here we are kissy implement idea, but pretty good

TheDetective Wed 23-Jan-13 11:26:45

OMG, is it April fools?! Just read in the daily fail about an insurance firm called 'drive like a girl'. Sexist bastards! Are they suggesting is only girls that can drive safely?

I'm on my soap box today! Is anyone else finding getting around with a pushchair an absolute pain in the arse? I have found 2 stores in town already in which I can't access parts of the store because there is no lift/ramp. One is DP's work ffs! The media section is up a set of about 8 steps. The other is CEX, we use it a lot, and now I can't get upstairs which is where all the DVDs and CD's are. I only realised this the other day when I went to browse for some birthday presents for DS. I asked how I could get up there, and the guy said, well aren't you with someone. Well, yes, but why? Well they can go up there instead. Erm, well actually we wanted to pick some things together... not too much to ask is it?! Apparently so. hmm The stairs in there are a death trap, winding, small, steep... you couldn't even carry a buggy up if you wanted to - not that I would. It is one of my biggest worries, carrying a buggy up the steps. MIL told me that last week one of the staff at hers and DP's work bought her 6 week old grandchild in, and decided to carry the pram up the aforementioned steps and the baby fell out of the pram shock. And the woman wanted to try and keep it from her daughter!!! What a knobber!

Oh, and when me and DP stopped for some lunch on Monday, I deliberately picked an area to sit in where we could keep the pram out of the way - as I always do when out, in fact I've been known to walk out of cafes or restaurants if it is too cramped for me to walk through with the pram. One of the staff came over and told me I needed to move it as it was in the way. It wasn't in the way of anything, it was tucked in next to my chair! It isn't exactly a mammoth pram either! She said we don't normally have prams in here. Really? A cafe that doesn't have prams? Maybe they don't come because they get an attitude from you?! I asked her where I should put it, and she said outside. I wouldn't leave it outside for obvious reasons. There are always some strange people who will rob anything, and lets face it, prams aren't cheap are they?! Anyway, I said if I had to leave it outside, I wouldn't be able to eat, as where exactly was I supposed to put the baby. A highchair she said. Really? An 8 week old baby. hmm I felt so bloody welcome after that. If it hadn't of been snowing, and the baby due a feed, I'd of walked straight back out. I was fuming inside!

Glad I am not a wheelchair user, they must receive some shocking treatment.

BigPigLittlePig Wed 23-Jan-13 11:30:43

detective I took the pram into a cafe for the first time on Sunday. I took every chair down on my way through. Luckily only one other person in there. I was mortified. Clearly more practice at navigating obstacles needed (or cafe was over-chaired hmm)

afternoon ladies - finally caught up - think i need a personal assistant to read the posts to me as and when they appear and to dictate/type up responses - that way id remember everything i had to say to everyone!!!!

pr hope you and LO are ok - how very scary but like someone else said babies are bloody tough cookies!!

pr & detective got any glue??? that song is a complete brain worm but i love it and it makes a change dd1 singing that than bloody gangnam style!!!

i dont come from a religious family and due to my childhood ive never believed in god - in my teens i was desperate for something to believe in so looked at many religions (buddhism, taoism, spiritulism, hinduism) and there were bits of each i related to and understood but then other bits that contrdicted what i thought life was about so in the end decided i was an atheist - i believe everyone is responsible for their own actions and id like to believe that what comes around goes around - try and live your life to the best of your ability and be as caring and as tolerant of everyone. when my dc talk about god and say stuff like omg id tell them off but now we do omd (oh my dog) we believe in our choccie lab truffle lol. each to their own no one religion faith is better than any other.

i have a hhuge dilemma - i love my dh so very much but ive realised after 8years together that i cannot change him - every 3 months we have a row about the lack of help i get around the house etc... and in march when i start uni its going to get considerably worse - this morning it dawned on me when dd1 didnt have a clean shirt for school because no one but me puts a wash on and the front room is full of stuffing from a dog toy truff has demolished that nobody will pick up!!! we have a dog that no one walks so i pay a dog walker, we have chickens that no one will clean out or feed unless i remind them, i have to ask dh to boil the kettle for dotties ff at night and then i have to remind him to go and make the bottle up - and i cant do it any longer sad

the house needs so much work doing to it and its soooo full of clutter that i havent been able to invite friends over for the 8 years since ive lived here - in fact i dont have any friends for that reason.

im serioussly considering moving out so that its mine and the kids mess and i can then get a cleaner and someone to do the ironing while at uni - i still want to be with dh but without the pile of washing he leaves or nagging to get the house decorated. i need to lose masses of weight as does he but we have no motivation and just sit in of an evening munching on crisps and chocolate

i think if im to succeed with my degree i need to streamline my life and make sacrifices and then seee where we go in 3 years time - am i being too drastic???

StuntNun Wed 23-Jan-13 11:51:02

Sounds like you need Flylady.net as well Glenda, it's perfect for decluttering when you've got into a state and can't see a way back out. My DH is the same, creates more mess than everyone else in the house. When he's away on business trips I tidy up the house and it stays tidy until 30 seconds after he gets home. We're trying to sell our house at the moment but we can't move, there's too much crap up in the loft and in the shed, we'd never shift it.

TheDetective Wed 23-Jan-13 11:57:07

My biggest phobia is clutter apart from fish. I can't have it. If it doesn't get used, it goes.

In your situation, I'd hire a skip, and skip everything including DP that hasn't been used in the last year.

Then I'd hire a cleaner, and make DP do extra hours at work to pay for it. Unless of course he is willing to do waaaaaaaaaay more in the house.

Even DS isn't allowed clutter. His room is always tidy--ish--. I have to be a crazy woman about it though. And there are lots of trips to the recycling depot dump with the amount I get rid of.

Must admit, sometimes I just long to be able to ignore it and live with it, but I've never been able to get past it!

TheDetective Wed 23-Jan-13 12:01:10

I'm excited, baby massage this afternoon! First time!

Oscar is a happy bunny today! We DP just got his first giggle. Bastard! Why no mummy giggles?!

Detective we suffer the pushchair dilemma a lot. We have to be selective on which shops we go to as we can't fit down isles and through doors of some of them. We can't even take the girls in the pushchair to the doctors as we can't fit through the doors! We have to carry them in. I am screwed when I take them on my own.

I will be taking them out on my own for the fourth time next week. DT2 has another pediatrician appointment. I am so pleased to report to you all that she has not had another stopping breathing episode since she was 10 weeks old. Such a huge relief. The first 8 weeks of their lives was a very dark time for me. I was convinced something awful was going to happen to one of them.

Does any one have DC with green eyes? Both girls were born with blue eyes then DT2 eyes went a gun metal colour and now, at almost 4 months, they seem to be going green. When did the green in your DC eyes start showing? I am surprised both her eyes are going lighter as I am very dark olive skinned and DT2 seems to have my complexion with very dark hair. DP is very blonde with blue eyes so they seem to have a real mix of us both.

Oh and DT1 head smells of fruit salad and Playdoh! Smells divine!

horseylady Wed 23-Jan-13 12:21:40

Glenda - most of issues are overcomable. Dh is a hoarder. I am not. If he doesn't wear it in a while I take it down. If within three months he's not asked for it. It goes. Simple. Now I'm on mat leave I do all the dog walking. He claims he can't control two. I manage but to be honest I'm beyond arguing!! We've been together 10 years, he's always been the same. In fact when I was pregnant he used to have to do the cat litter. But I had to go on about it. I swear he can't smell it!!

I only clean my chooks out two or three times a year!

When I worked I had a cleaner. When I go back I'll hire another one. They are invaluable if you're busy and hate cleaning!!

I do love my dh though. He's massively supportive and while useless, he has many good points. For one he didn't divorce me when I went out, bought a new horse and never sold the old one!! He just shook his head......

Glenda I have no advice just to tell you I am in the same sad boat. A partner with no initiative who has to be told to do anything.

It makes you feel down in the dumps. Sorry you feel shit.

BigPigLittlePig Wed 23-Jan-13 12:40:27

Men don't see mess in the same way, I swear. There can be balls of cat hair around the edge of the room, and dh will genuinely not see it. It has taken me 3 years and a lot of nagging to realise this.

We've just had another river of vomit incident. Has anyone else had similar probs? I'm not sure if it's mucus/cold related or reflux. Weirdly it happened at the exact same time as yesterday luckily she was in her cot after the same pattern of 30 minutes of crying for no reason...

PetiteRaleuse Wed 23-Jan-13 12:41:08

Glenda it is much better than Gangnam Style and all the spoof versions that DD1 manages to find on youtube.

Sorry your DH is useless around the house. Mne whined about the mess in ours this morning but with one thing and another I haven't been able to get on top of everything. He has loads of knick knacks that he has kept for sentimental value, so have told him to clear them out or away by the weekend and then I will be able to dust. Ironically yesterday I deep cleaned the bathroom and the floors (polishing the wooden floor might have contributed to me slipping on it) so it's actually in a better state than usual.

Sooo tired. Ddn't sleep brilliantly last night despite the children sleeping well and I am hungry. The accident happened last night before dinner and so I haven't eaten since yesterday lunch when I just had a small sandwich. Nt even motivated to get dressed today my bloody back hurts too much. Need to pull myself together really. Tomorrow.

TheDetective Wed 23-Jan-13 12:47:40

I've just posted a photo of a recipe card DP found at work. It's frickin' hilarious! What absolute thicko thought that one up?!! And who passed it as a recipe?!


StuntNun Wed 23-Jan-13 13:01:33

This thread has been going exactly two days and it has 401 posts already. GT you need to start enforcing your rules on posting!

ValiumQueen Wed 23-Jan-13 13:03:18

PR I would avoid gradients for a while as you appear to have difficulty staying upright on the level.

garden great name grin

glenda I think moving out would be a bit drastic if you still want to be with him.

My husband has a contract!!! Only 11 hours a week, but it is a contract, and any hours worked over that get paid at overtime rate. Not sure what the overtime is - minimum wage plus a third possibly, but better than nowt.

Sophiathesnowfairy Wed 23-Jan-13 13:16:11

glenda try the flylady.net. I only started this week and it has made a massive diff to the house and my state of mind. And have noticed DH has started doing some stuff he doesn't normally do, like, tidied the cushions on the sofa before he went to bed. I hadn't said anything. It looks hard but if you don't rush and take it a step at a time should work a treat.

Have fun this afternoon detective

Yep I don't know how some shops get away with it, if a disabled person went in and caused a fuss they could be in loads of trouble. As a double buggy the donkey is quite narrow and I can generally get in door etc but manoeuvring around some shops is a nightmare, even was with the single buggy, they pack the rails so close together.

StuntNun Wed 23-Jan-13 13:22:40

I agree with Sophia, your DH may respond a little to the Flylady routines. I have my control journal pinned to the noticeboard so in the evening when DH asks what needs to be done before he can relax I tell him to look at that. When those chores are done the HW is over for the day. For example one day he depressedly started unloading the dishwasher and I said, Don't do that, the dishwasher gets emptied in the morning. I find the best thing about Flylady is that it's limited, you're not battling an unending array of chores. Once you've done everything in your control journal and your daily mission then you're done for the day. If you have time you can do a 27-fling boogie or five minute room rescue but you don't have to. Also the daily missions cycle round so if you fall off the wagon or get sick and miss some, they'll happen again in a few weeks.

PurplePidjin Wed 23-Jan-13 13:37:40

Detective, normal life is exceptionally difficult for wheelchair users. Shops up steps, nobody gets out of your way in the street, till operators don't see you or ask the person with you all the questions, bank counters you can't see over, even disabled toilets that don't have room to turn in or for a carer as well. Don't get me started on trains... I love my sling for all the reasons you stated - i get major road rage with the buggy blush

PurplePidjin Wed 23-Jan-13 13:38:37

Wrt housework, dp is the opposite - pissed off at not having the energy to help me out sad

StuntNun Wed 23-Jan-13 13:40:52

Hopefully that means he's feeling better Pidj.

Dixiebell Wed 23-Jan-13 13:46:53

When I had Ds1 I suddenly realised how hard life must be for people in wheelchairs. My real bugbear is where people park their cars - why do the park in front of dropped curbs? Annoying enough with a buggy if you have to go round a car and bump it up/down curb when crossing the road, but if you're on your own in a wheelchair, you can bump up the curb. Would have to go out of your way just to cross the road. There's one car on my route to Sainsbury's that always blocks the way up onto the kerb like this, I always wish I had some paper and pen to write a cross note. Also rubbish bins left out on pavement pee me off. I don't want to have to roll your dirty old wheelie bin out of my way just to get my pram through.

Dixiebell Wed 23-Jan-13 13:49:33

How can I discipline a toddler who enjoys his punishments?! Me: if you don't eat your lunch, there's no pudding, straight upstairs for nap. Him: yes please. Argh!! Annoying thing is, I've said no snacks as he didn't eat lunch, but now he'll be hungry and ask for snacks every five minutes. He was supposed to resist bed and just eat up!

PurplePidjin Wed 23-Jan-13 14:05:42

Not really, Stunt, he's making progress but not fast (shouldn't expect to tbh) meanwhile I'm getting tireder and tearier and more overwhelmed

PurplePidjin Wed 23-Jan-13 14:09:31

Dixie, put him down for his nap now, then when he wakes set a timer - half a cup of water in the microwave on defrost if necessary - for half an hour and he has to wait that long for a snack. Think of something different for next time wink

Disclaimer: i don't have older dc but do have a lot of experience working with dc, particularly ASD where you need to be consistent with relevant consequences!

Sophiathesnowfairy Wed 23-Jan-13 14:18:36

dixie I have got super strict on snacks lately as I gasped this with DS1 in the autumn. If he didn't eat his meal nothing at all until the next meal time regardless of whining. I actually try not to do snacks unless they can be at least an hour and a half before a meal and I really try to stick to fruit in the morning and a crumpet or piece of lasting the afternoon and steer clear of crisps, biscuits etc.

He also smiles when he goes on the thinking step angry but I keep going. I set a audible timer for that.

Stick at it it does pay off to stick with stuff like that. The older girls now appreciate boundaries, they realise we are just trying to make them the best person they can be.

flowers <hugs> <an energy drink>

Sophiathesnowfairy Wed 23-Jan-13 14:47:49

Is toast in the afternoon you stupid I pad. TOAST!

daisychain76 Wed 23-Jan-13 14:53:10

dixie personally I don't use snacks as a punishment - I find no TV more effective or time out (somewhere boring, not their bedroom).

Was interested in the posts on religion/fear of death. I grew up going to (C of E) Church (though parents probably best described as agnostic) then drifted away and developed a huge fear of death. Finally came back to Church again and the fear has gone, but I didn't go back for that reason. My real reason was that there is so much injustice and horrible stuff in the world, I couldn't accept that's just how life is. I need to believe in an afterlife which is just and fair.

Have to say, was very much on the fringe of the Church and kept myself to myself, but they gave me amazing support when I was in hospital with pre-eclampsia and when H was early and now I find myself leading the youth group!

PetiteRaleuse Wed 23-Jan-13 14:57:57

I'm normally strict on snacks but I just gave DD1 a bag of crisps. She'll give most of them to the dog but I needed some peace. <bad mummy>

PetiteRaleuse Wed 23-Jan-13 15:00:50

I don't believe in heaven or hell, but I do believe in an afterlife.

Dixiebell Wed 23-Jan-13 15:07:32

Little monster has been in bed for 2.5 hours. A friend just invited us round to play with some other mums/toddlers. Initial reaction is it's too much hassle getting us all out of tge door, but thpught for ds's sake i should make tge effort, give him a change of scenery and some friends to play with. Went in to the monster DS, and he's awake but just screams 'go away mummy' and 'don't want you mummy'! Pah. Really can't drag him out or spend half an hour trying to make him laugh like I'd have done before, as Teddy needs feeding. So looks like we're going to miss the get together. [frustration emoticon]

DonnaDoon Wed 23-Jan-13 15:12:12

PR Hope you ok after your fall.
Useless fact alert...exactly one year ago today was the first day of my last period (not that I miss them or anything) But when will they return properly? And is it b/feeding that stops them?

DonnaDoon Wed 23-Jan-13 15:13:11

Ooops its tomorrow the 24th ...thought today was the 24th.

ChunkyChicken Wed 23-Jan-13 15:14:05

I have a grumpy little snausage sad Not inconsolable crying, but just frequent crying which is out of character. Is 10wks growth spurt territory?

torychicetc Wed 23-Jan-13 15:15:43

Dixie I love the story of your toddler. Be patient, if you can

torychicetc Wed 23-Jan-13 15:21:05

Yes, I am a clutter bug.

PetiteRaleuse Wed 23-Jan-13 15:23:01

Wow Donna you're right. We're coming up to the one year anniversary of our LOs being conceived.

ValiumQueen Wed 23-Jan-13 15:31:05

tory are you new or a name change? Have I missed something?

Sophiathesnowfairy Wed 23-Jan-13 15:31:29

Yep...my Valentines baby!!

I have a grump too. I have just put Baby TV on all has gone quiet.

What will aspen if I sneak off to the kitchen to do the bottles and make a cup of tea?

StuntNun Wed 23-Jan-13 15:31:55

Dixie I recommend The Incredible Years for toddler taming. It worked a treat with my oldest two, and given that DS1 has ADHD and ASD that's saying something. When I see someone with a misbehaving child in a supermarket I always want to tell them about this book (but don't because that would be really rude).

I need a break, does anyone want to come and babysit for fifteen minutes or hours while I get a cup of tea? I so wish my IL were any use but, apart from babysitting every so often, they're not very helpful. I'm actually quite upset with them at the moment as I'm starting to realise just how much damage they did to DH as a child and the knock on effect that it's having on our children.

ValiumQueen Wed 23-Jan-13 15:34:45

I am happily chopping up a sports bra to make a nursing bra. Cannot find my hooks and eyes. Grr!

ChunkyChicken Wed 23-Jan-13 15:59:37

Sadly I remember vividly the day I started my 'period' a year ago - 13/02/12 and about a week after I had a positive pg test sad However, I cannot wish to change a thing, because 1 month later another positive test resulted in my beautiful little man.

glenda I too have a pathologically untidy husband. He literally journeys around the house creating little 'leavings' from the moment he gets in. Keys here, wallet there, coat somewhere else entirely. This is all despite me being quite an organised person and having coat pegs, a key tray, a bookcase in the all for post, wallets etc. I like a place for everything and everything in its place. However, my DH is also a hoarder so the places available get fewer and fewer. Sometimes I take charge and deal with it, sometimes I just relocate the crap, sometimes I just try to ignore. However, not having people over is a shame. True friends won't judge...

I've started on a 'routine' for HW. I do certain jobs during nap time and certain jobs in the evening (nothing really in the morning, other than getting kids up, dressed, fed and out the house). I feel that I can slowly get on top of things w/out spending my whole day cleaning.

Thanks for the advice - will look on fly website but as I sit here looking at all the stuff that needs doing it just seems too much!!!

I know leaving is drastic but im having the same discussion with him as I did 8 years ago and still no change - I left 3 years ago - partly because if this as well as other issues and although the house I moved into was bigger/nicer it had its own problems like constant blocked drains - but at least I could have some girls from work over for lunch and I felt more house proud!

I moved from Norwich and all of my close friends to be with dh and feel like I have compromised sooo much - I have no close friends here just colleagues and college buddies who I beg to meet up for lunch - I'm so frickin lonely - and am hoping uni will help me to meet people and be someone other than wife/mother.

I think dh needs a sahm and I'm not hmm

blonderthanred Wed 23-Jan-13 16:16:05

VQ I turned my maternity bra into an expressing bra last week. I will not be posting the picture on fb.

Sophiathesnowfairy Wed 23-Jan-13 16:16:05

vq you are amazing!

glenda where are you? Try the fly thing for a week and you will probably feel like you are making inroads somewhere. Xxx

Did I mention I have a hot date tonight?

Do no one have any green eyed DC then sad

StuntNun Wed 23-Jan-13 16:39:04

That's the beauty of the Flylady system Glenda, it doesn't matter what state your house is in, you just do what it says in the daily e-mail and that's all. It made a huge difference to my complete tip house and I really noticed the first time someone came to the door and I was happy to invite them in.

Garden, my two oldest have brown eyes. J's are still grey. But eye colour is very complex genetically so green eyes occur unpredictably.

Thechick Wed 23-Jan-13 16:40:57

Sophia you are very lucky. Anywhere nice?? I said to dh that we should go out for valentines and he said wanted to bring ds2, that's not really a date in my eyes.

Donna mine was feb 14 and our dc's share a birthday don't they??

PennieLane Wed 23-Jan-13 16:51:43

I can't keep up, but just wanted to say, excellent name changes grin

DonnaDoon Wed 23-Jan-13 16:52:54

Yes Chick they do...what time was your ds born? dd was 5am

PurplePidjin Wed 23-Jan-13 16:57:26

Garden, R is half Jamaican and has blue eyes. Dp and i both have green eyes. Lord knows what they'll turn out to be, he's only 2 months!

Pikz Wed 23-Jan-13 17:06:09

Garden I hopeforgreen eyes as I have them! LO has grey green currently.

Try a South African DP who had a full time maid and gardener and house boy til he emigrated 5 years ago. Not only does he not do he doesn't know how to!!! To be fairs pays for a cleaner every week as he won't do any of it. He can now work the dishwasher but not the washing machine without a lot of prompting and written instructions.

blonderthanred Wed 23-Jan-13 17:06:34

Garden I have green eyes and was hoping DS would too but currently he has the darkest brown eyes, he gets lots of comments on them. DH has light brown eyes so it will be interesting to see how L's turn out.

(It won't be interesting to anyone but me, obvs)

ValiumQueen Wed 23-Jan-13 17:08:36

sophia you have not seen it yet!

blonder go on! Please! You do not need to be wearing it...

ValiumQueen Wed 23-Jan-13 17:10:07

DH is fitting the washer. Lots of banging and yowling and swearing. I am staying well away and advised the kids to do the same.

TheDetective Wed 23-Jan-13 17:34:48

I fitted my washing machine... tell him, if I can, anyone can then run, fast!.

Baby massage was nice. He enjoyed it! Smiles and coos all the way through. Will ignore the fact that DP's phone went off and he ran off mid way though his half of doing the massage and made the door slam. I'm not going with DP again though.

Now I am going to swimming on my own on friday - so, how does that work then?! Can you take the pushchair/car seat in with you I wonder? Otherwise, where the hell do I put the baby to get myself dried and dressed, and get stuff from the locker. Am I thinking about this too deeply?!

Glad I am not the only one getting irritated getting around with a pushchair. I thought I was just being a grumpy cow!

In other news, my bits appear to be in a better state than usual. And I managed to get my pee to a dribble even if I couldn't stop it completely, it's better than what I could do! And the 2 wee's I have done today did not hurt at the end. OMG! Could I be recovering?! PLEEEEEEASE!!! grin Don't be a fluke!

Re: eye colour, I have green eyes, ex had brown eyes, DS1 got hazel eyes grin. DP has blue eyes, I think Oscar is going to have blue eyes, they are quite a bright blue now, not as blue as DP's yet though. Time will tell...!

fruitpastilles Wed 23-Jan-13 17:39:43

Just joined FLYlady and am off to shine my sink smile

fruitpastilles Wed 23-Jan-13 17:40:34

Oh detective, I have been putting off taking Sinéad swimming for exactly those reasons! I wouldn't have a clue where to start!

TheDetective Wed 23-Jan-13 17:40:49

I've been thinking about the November 13 mums who will be getting their BFP's soon!! To think that was us this time last year....

We started TTC on christmas eve, and each month I got BFP's 3 days before my period was due, then the next day I got my period. Then the 3rd month, we got lucky! Same thing again, but no period the next day, so with baited breath, I did a clear blue digital... and, well, he's currently snoozing in front of me grin.

This time next month, there will be a Nov 13 thread! shock.

TheDetective Wed 23-Jan-13 17:41:54

If I can take the car seat in, I think I would be fine... but is there anywhere safe to store it?! I should really give them a call and find out what the facilities are. Or I could turn up and if its a pain in the ass, give it a miss?!

YellowWellies Wed 23-Jan-13 17:42:01

Just joined FLYlady (and am waiting for Jonas to stop napping on me so I can shine my sink - ahem blush )

fruitpastilles Wed 23-Jan-13 17:46:30

How come dd's name come up funny then? Am I being thick lol

Thechick Wed 23-Jan-13 17:46:34

Donna he was born at 7.55am. The time has just flown.

BigPigLittlePig Wed 23-Jan-13 17:46:46

I want to be a flylady too! You get to do your hair and everything although seems little point given ability of baby to spread bodily fluids

Bit sad I can't actually shine my sink though as it's a strange black, granite effect affair...could just do the tap??

TheTiger Wed 23-Jan-13 17:49:23

Thanks petite and horsey. I will stop worrying and let him do what he wants!

I was thinking today, this time last year I wasn't even trying for a baby! Started trying first week in Feb and conceived on 6th Feb. Got my positive pregnancy test on pancake day smile

Saw some work friends today and they were asking me when I'm planning my next baby! I said I can't imagine ever doing this again. I loved being pregnant and I loved giving birth but looking after a baby with colic, reflux and a very bad temper is just so hard.

TheDetective Wed 23-Jan-13 17:51:15

I use a microfibre cloth to shine my sink grin.

TheDetective Wed 23-Jan-13 17:51:41

Although my sink is rarely empty. We don't have a dishwasher as there is no bloody room!!

ChunkyChicken Wed 23-Jan-13 17:52:57

I have strange coloured eyes, generally I go with green but they're chameleon coloured. Dd has the exact same colour, down the same rings around the iris and the pupil garden whilst DH has chocolate brown eyes. My DM has brown eyes and my Dad has hazel-grey eyes, so goodness knows where mine come from, and why Dd has identical eyes. I think eye colour is given as a good example of an inherited trait, which I suppose it is if you are talking about purely blue vs brown, but there are so many genes that contribute to eye colour, like stunt says, it's very complex!! I could post a photo of DD and I on the FB page if you wanted...

fruitpastilles Wed 23-Jan-13 17:54:15

Oooh, there is a Facebook page, can I join? Pretty please lol smile

TheDetective Wed 23-Jan-13 17:54:18

Chunky - mine show up blue in certain lights. Some people think I have blue eyes, but when they look up close, they are actually green, but not a jade green, more a sea green lol!!

TheTiger Wed 23-Jan-13 17:54:55

detective I take DS to baby swimming classes. I use a fold up changing mat (the one in the free boots changing bag if you have it) and lie him in his towel on that and quickly dry/dress him. I then put the mat on the floor and leave him lay on it while I throw my clothes on. I don't do my hair/makeup etc, so it only takes a couple of minutes. The mat is wipe clean and he can't get anywhere so he's ok on the floor. Not sure what I will do when he's mobile!!

TheDetective Wed 23-Jan-13 17:57:12

What do you do about getting things to and from the locker? Especially when you are wet yourself! blush

Such numpty questions!!

StuntNun Wed 23-Jan-13 18:02:50

Can you leave the car seat where you can see it from the pool Detective?

TheTiger Wed 23-Jan-13 18:02:54

The benches are right in front of the lockers so grab the bag and stick it on the bench. I take baby's towel poolside and dry one hand on it to grab everything.

Is it private swimming class or leisure centre? Leisure centres sometimes have family changing rooms with those changing tables that fold down from the wall so you can lie DS on that.

TheDetective Wed 23-Jan-13 18:09:12

I'm not sure Stunt I haven't been in the family changing rooms or small pool, so not sure what is available so to speak!

It's a leisure centre tiger, it does have a family changing room, but no idea what it consists of. Mind you, the pool has only been built in the last year, so really, it should be damn good!!

DonnaDoon Wed 23-Jan-13 18:09:32

I know Chick they will be 16 weeks on sunday...unbeleivable.

kissyfur Wed 23-Jan-13 18:12:22

The fly lady makes sense, but I wasn't dressed til gone 12 today blush and I'm not sure about shining my sink, worth a try tho!

My DD1 has green/blue eyes. DP has green eyes and mine are blue

My LO is grumpy today too - must be something in the air!

StuntNun Wed 23-Jan-13 18:23:25

I managed to get mine and J's stuff in and out of a locker when we went swimming. There was a change table in one of the cubicles so when I got out I got him changed first then got myself ready with him on the table. If you took a travel change mat you could leave Oscar in it on the floor while you got ready. Just take an extra plastic bag for wet stuff and an extra towel maybe?

PurplePidjin Wed 23-Jan-13 18:27:47

We achieved a nap in the crib today <proud> I had a bath and read a book <slattern> i also stuffed all the clean nappies

For those with lazy men, feel free to point out that not only does mine change nappies 4 weeks after his stroke, he changes cloth nappies. What's their excuse? wink

My left arm hurts, i got the implant and am even struggling to feed off that side because i can't position him sad

<grump moan whinge>

horseylady Wed 23-Jan-13 18:47:44

Detective is it baby swimming or are you just going?

Baby swimming I take the car seat and leave in the changing room with the other mums ones. Clothes hung up on a peg. I take no money etc. Dry and change baby, pop him in seat dry and change me. If I walk then I pop in him on change matt while I get dressed. The pram isn't allowed in. Take two towels for ds though!! I find I need two!! The first one gets too wet after he's been in the pool, the 2 nd dries him.

He went underwater again today!!

ValiumQueen Wed 23-Jan-13 18:58:18

detective would that be the washer that keeps breaking on you?

DH is sitting in the utility room with a glass of wine watching the washer. He keeps coming in with updates. Earlier I wondered what the humming noise was. It was the spin. With the old machine we had to shut all three doors between it and the lounge and we would still need to turn the TV up.

ValiumQueen Wed 23-Jan-13 18:59:10

Baby swimming - I believe you put the baby in the locker then go to the bar.

BigPigLittlePig Wed 23-Jan-13 19:04:04

More evening screaming shenanigans, but finally LO has gone to sleep on me

When we fitted our washing machine in our old house, the stop valve on the pipe on the wall broke, and water started pouring out. The biggest thing we had to collect the water in was a wok (!). Cue much running around by dh looking for the main stop cock whilst I frantically changed pans and shrieked

Thanks for the replies about eye colour.

Chunky, I don't have Facebook but thanks for the offer.

We take a normal changing mat and I put both babies on it covered in a towel, change one, change the other then change myself. I take a dressing gown with me to keep warm while I change the whole world before myself.

Passmethecrisps Wed 23-Jan-13 19:22:26

Hallo. Quick question.

I have a very, very lovely friend who came to visit me today. Last time we went to her house - day after P's injections - p had the total screaming habdabs. High pitched, rigid body, eyes streaming screams. We put this down to her jabs.

Today, friend comes to us. P in a good mood. Then when being cuddled and walked about by friend she lets out this same scream. We haven't heard this scream since that last visit. I --eventually wrestle- get p from my friend and manage to settle her for a sleep. She wakes up, more smiles and giggles. Friend wants a cuddle and the scream starts immediately. It's horrendous.

Any ideas? Poor friend. Poor P

BigPigLittlePig Wed 23-Jan-13 19:28:37

pass could it be smell related? Does your friend have perfume/air freshener/smoke? My MIL wears quite strong perfume which can upset LO. Horrible for all involved though.

MissMummy1 Wed 23-Jan-13 19:29:43

pass Tilly is like that with my dad. I put it down to her fantastic ability to sense evil smile

I need gin. Or wine. Or anything alcoholic right now! Just driven home from picking up M's super duper new swing in hellish driving conditions. Proper blizzard. Couldnt see the motorway. Spent most of the journey in tears. Typical as soon as I turned off into the village there was none. Sticky toffee pudding it is!

Will now go and catch up with the last 24hrs.. I may be some time!

ValiumQueen Wed 23-Jan-13 19:30:13

pass was your friend holding her a different way? My bitch of a SIL held DD1 on a few occasions and each time DD was sick, and badly so. SIL had a way of rocking her which was like a pneumatic drill. Both her kids have been sickly Munchausens by proxy since birth, and I am not surprised if that is how she handled them.

TheDetective Wed 23-Jan-13 19:36:42

Good luck on that MM have the tena at the ready! I hate driving in anything less than a cloudy day... hope the swing brings many hours of peace and sleep! Then you can at least sniff the alcoholic beverage of choice!

Shut it VQ grin I'll have you know that my supreme plumbing skills only resulted in one wet kitchen, and I've done 3 washers now! The washer just likes eating clothes and colour catchers, can't blame that on the plumbing grin. Haha!!

Pass I reckon it is smell, or does she have any jewellery or sharp nails that could have caught her?

TheTiger Wed 23-Jan-13 19:40:51

horsey my DS goes underwater too, he looks so surprised when he pops back up! Do you do the 'name, ready' thing?

Elizadoesdolittle Wed 23-Jan-13 19:45:18

Not having the best week here! We were very close to signing the contracts on our house move but our buyers have just pulled out. Their reason that the lay out of the house won't work for them with having a baby! I live in a townhouse and the kitchen and living room are upstairs so it isn't a particularly child friendly house which is one of the reasons we are moving. That and the fact out gardens tiny. Why it took them 10 weeks to figure that out I'll never know. We've got 2 viewings lined up this weekend so it's back to me manically sorting the house out. Have accumulated a lot more crap over Christmas which needs a home. Think I'd better become a fly lady as well to keep on too of it once I've done the blitz on the house. Am very much hoping we don't lose the house we were buying. I hate the house buying/selling process. Once we move I won't be moving for years and years!

On the baby front E did a spectacular projectile vom earlier and now appears to have the runs. So that won't lead to positive news on the weight gain front hmm

On the topic of religion, I'm not and DH is even less so. DD1 enjoys going to church with the in laws and if she did decide to become a Christian or any other religion I would support her. Each to their own and all that. The world would be a boring place if we all held the same opinions. Although I do think people's religious beliefs tend to bring about too much violence in this world and I oppose that. I'm in favour of peaceful religion not extremists.

TheDetective Wed 23-Jan-13 19:48:44

Sorry horsey, missed your post! Tis baby swimming! That sounds reasonable... If car seat is okay, this would make things easier!

What do people who walk do with prams? confused.

QQ: How long do babies stay sleepy for after the jabs?!

rowingdowntheriver Wed 23-Jan-13 20:12:42

Pa ha ha vq, I like your kind of baby swimming!

horseylady Wed 23-Jan-13 20:15:32

Well when I walk, I leave my pram in the hallway outside the changing room. It's a school and only used by the swimming group at that time. I just take no money etc. Or if I do shove it in a locker!!

Tiger - yes. I go to puddleducks. Who are you with?

Elizadoesdolittle Wed 23-Jan-13 20:18:41

Re baby swimming, we have a crèche at our leisure centre so if I walk I leave the pram in there. There are family changing rooms with baby changing tables in them. I'm sure I took DD1 when she was 3 months but I don't think I'll take E for a while yet. She seems too tiny to take swimming. I think I'll wait till she bulks out a bit. I'm looking forward to taking her though. I know DD1 will love having E in the pool with her. When I take DD1 to her swimming lessons its at a private pool so E watches (sleeps) from her car seat at the side of the pool.

ValiumQueen Wed 23-Jan-13 20:27:55

We are not allowed to take prams into our GP surgery. Even to baby clinic. We have to leave them in the corridor out of sight.

PetiteRaleuse Wed 23-Jan-13 20:30:38

Baby swimming I lock valuables in the locker and take everything else through with me to the pool, and leave it on the seats at the edge of the pool. Pick it up on way out, dress DD1, then dress self, collect valuables and then wine

early bed for me. Am on max paracetamol and wine

DD1 lyingnext to me watching LMFAO videos on youtube on iPad hmm anything goes today. LO seems fine. Eaten a little less than usual but no symptoms of concussion.

ChunkyChicken Wed 23-Jan-13 20:32:44

Am now a FLYbaby. Worth a try....

DS so tired, he's asleep after "night feed" & DD will be soon. Fingers crossed he stays that way... Def dream feeding tonight though!

So, night all. Warm & peaceful ones all round.

PetiteRaleuse Wed 23-Jan-13 20:44:53

Detective just wanted to say... Waddle waddle waddle.. Til the very next day.

Night smile

Evilwater Wed 23-Jan-13 20:55:35

Well I was going to post earlier but I lost it angry. So here is the short verison.

P hates to tidy, and calls it hiding things.

I'm a pagan, and P is an catholic. As a pagan it's a tailered to the person, and SOME people have doctrine, most don't. We don't shout, or go out converting people. I have a summer land which I go to when I'm dead, hopefully ill have learn the lession of this life and move on, if I don't then I come back as I am now. I follow the "you get what you put out" for life.

Prams, well mine is covered in mud and some of the parts can't work on account of the mud.

I'd love to take N swimming, but he would scream blue murder.

It's my night off, I've had a bath, and I've done nothing but worry about N.

Evil broomstick.

Izzybuzzybuzzybees Wed 23-Jan-13 20:56:14

I have no idea how you lot keep up with this thread. I have no time!

kissyfur Wed 23-Jan-13 20:56:55

Anyone else's LOs scream blue murder after a bath? One minute she is sitting there quite happy, next thing proper inconsolable screams?! Makes me not want to bath her!

Pass maybe P associates your friend with jabs as you saw her just after she had them?

BigPigLittlePig Wed 23-Jan-13 21:13:28

kissy that was what happened to us earlier - happy as a (little) pig in mud in the bath. Red-faced and screaming for 20 minutes afterwards felt like a lifetime

She only has 1 bath a week blush

GTbaby Wed 23-Jan-13 21:25:13

Tiger I'm gonna throw my two pence worth in re feeding.

LO is 14 weeks yesterday n 75% so snap

He is offered 6oz every three hours starting at 6am to 9pm. Drinks About 32 oz in total. If he drinks less I find he wakes at 4am to make up for it

If you want him to sleep longer at night you need to feed him more during day. Keep day feeds bright n chatty so he does not fall asleep. Maybe Offer milk every 3 hours.

However If he continues to gain weight , is happy etc, then I wouldn't worry. Maybe drop into a clinic to check his weight is still on the same line to help ease the worry.

Evilwater Wed 23-Jan-13 21:30:17

Big, baby evil has one bath per week on account of his screaming.

I swear that P, couldn't make more noise with his foot steps. One day he will wake N and I won't be very happy.


blonderthanred Wed 23-Jan-13 21:44:09

Yep we have minimal baths on account of the screaming, although tonight we had a slightly more successful attempt.

VQ I like your baby swimming idea. I told my mum I'd like to take L to baby swimming and she said, do you have to get in with the baby? No mum, we just dunk 'em in and leave 'em to it. Anyway given the bath situation I might have to leave it for a while.

Religion: we're both atheist.

Sorry about your week Eliza. Hope E doesn't have a bug. Take care x

ValiumQueen Wed 23-Jan-13 21:50:43

9.45 LO asleep. He fought it tonight! Gosh he can scream, but for less than two minutes. It seems like forever though. He is still mid growth spurt me thinks. Sleeping and eating is all he has done today. Poor little bugger never quite recovered from the 6am start. I however have had a fabby day. Bounce has pretty much lasted. Quite excited at the prospect of possibly sleeping a bit tonight.

Wishing you all sweet dreams, and loooooong ones. Waddle waddle waddle.

BigPigLittlePig Wed 23-Jan-13 21:56:31

Evil we will have to arrange a meet up with our slightly grubby LOs once the snow has disappeared. Perhaps they can outscream one another?!

Finally got LO into bed, dh asleep on the sofa, so am off to bed myself - fingers crossed for some decent sleep (although suspect that all the crossing in the world will be futile).

Oh, and kitchen sink is suitably clean smile shame about the rest of the kitchen

Passmethecrisps Wed 23-Jan-13 21:56:51

Thanks for your thoughts on the friend screamy habdabs. Weirdly, my instinct said that it was smell. When we went to visit p started screaming the first time when I took her into the bathroom to change her - same thing in that one second happy as larry and her next screaming like she is being slaughtered.

Unfortunately, my friend (who is wonderful) seems to want to make it better by walking away with p so that I can't see her. I just want her back! It's just trying to be helpful but p gets into such a state.

The holding thing might be a possibility. Friend likes to constantly be on the move with p and holds her like tiger in a tree - this is supposed to be good for babies with tummy problems though.

I did ask friend if she was wearing perfume and she said she was. Might be worth trying again without the perfume.

On the bath note - p loves a bath and is starting to cope a bit better post bath but it can be hit and miss. Seems to depend on how tired she is and how quickly I can get everything done.

P is definitely wanting to sit now. After her bath today I held her hands and pulled her up she sat like that for ages including wiggling herself so that she was almost completely holding her own weight. Sadly she then decided that she never needed to lie flat ever again so had a flaky when I had to lie her down to dress her. Evil mummy.

She also had her first proper chat with me today. Proper long term eye contact and turn taking with babbles. She was in DH's arms and was sort of lounging in the crook of his arm looking at me. It was so adorable that I shed a tear.

NotSoNervous Wed 23-Jan-13 22:01:41

It is shocking how fast we go through these threads grin

VQ love your idea of swimming

Religion - were getting LO christened, I'm not a very religious person but its something DP wants to do for DD so we go to church most weeks and if when DDs older she decides she wants to do something different or nothing then we'll support her in whatever she chooses. I want to be very cautious though between supporting and guiding her but not trying to force something on her that she doesn't want as that's what family members tried to do to me and now has the opposite effect

glenda sorry your DP is stressing you out sad

Enjoy your date night sophia wink

detective I've had the same thoughts ands Qs as you about swimming, there's a few places to choose from soi need to phone them and go where ever has the best storage for cars seat ect. Do babies have to have 2 layers on to go swimming or something?

Got my new pump today and I'm impressed, first time I used it i got 2oz in 15min! I could pump with my manual for 30min and not always get that

DD is fighting bedtime. Not fun. Hope everyone has good nights sleep tonight

Evilwater Wed 23-Jan-13 22:01:59

Big I have NO snow. There was a very small covering, but it's just mainly ice. Just pick a day and I can work around it.


BigPigLittlePig Wed 23-Jan-13 22:03:27

How have you managed that!? We have a good few inches here (realise this is nothing compared to those oop north) but live just enough out into the sticks for it to be a nightmare to get anywhere. Hopefully it will all be thawed soon though and hopefully before I go mad with cabin fever

ValiumQueen Wed 23-Jan-13 22:08:17

pass aww! How lovely. Do you do tiger in tree with wee P? If not, there is your answer. If you do perhaps it is because it is not you or daddy holding her like that.

I said 'eyeballs' today when J woke up. Quite took me by suprise, but eyeballs they were.

TooManyDicksOnTheDancefloor Wed 23-Jan-13 22:08:42

Got any grapes?

Gave B a bottle of expressed milk tonight, what a palaver! She wouldn't take the tommy tippee so had to pour it into the NUK bottle. She then took an hour to drink 4.5 oz (6oz was offered), wasn't happy after that so offered the breast and she fed for a few minutes at the breast too. It then took another hour to get her to sleep. I'm meant to be going out on Friday so this was a dry run, it's never going to work, DH will also have dd1 to put to bed as well.

Kyzordz Wed 23-Jan-13 22:09:01

Am Posting just before I wake LO for a feed. Trying to remember what I was going to reply to

Religion: atheist

garden ds has eyes (obviously) and they were really steely grey but look more blue now. His dads eyes change colour, blue/green and grey when he's Ill which he hates cos he couldn't ever fake being ill!

Food thetiger I think asked? DS was 7lb 41/2 born, is 11 weeks and was 13lb 6 last week. He started on 50th and is now up to 75th line thingy. He has about 35-40oz a day. Offered 8 at every feed and drinks at least 6 all day, usually 7 or 8 but this last feed he's either missed totally or taken only 3-4oz for about a week now, resulting in him having about 32-34oz a day. The up to 40 was for about a week or two, thought it was a growth spurt but then thought he was drinking that amount for too long for it to be a growth spurt. He is on anti reflux milk too and I was told he would want less! I'd never keep up with normal milk if that's the case!!

Will try n remember if there's anything else before bed time! Hope you all have nice sleeps!

Evilwater Wed 23-Jan-13 22:10:50

Big I live near Plymouth, it never snows.

Evilwater Wed 23-Jan-13 22:12:42

Big however it is very cold!

ValiumQueen Wed 23-Jan-13 22:13:02


MissMummy1 Wed 23-Jan-13 22:21:50

Okay wow! Tried and failed to catch up. Willies to religion - you craaaazy bunch!!

Had a busy few days. Spent some lovely time with yw and J - M is quite taken with him!

Picked up M&P starlite swing. So far worth EVERY penny - M is transfixed by the lights. She's never amused herself for so long (okay, 20 mins but enough to let us eat dinner in peace!)

In other news my boiler is on the blink. Needing to top it up or reset it 3/4 times a day now confused . So stuck in all day tomorrow waiting for gas man. Probs have to miss yoga - bugger! And I have a sinking feeling it needs replaced - bugger bugger bugger! I can't live without heating and hot water in the meantime if it gets condemned!!!sad

kissyfur Wed 23-Jan-13 22:24:51

Well I'm glad we're not the only ones!

Aww pass that's so sweet, I had a chat with my LO this eve before the bath and her screaming session! She does this little raise of her eyebrows when she coos that is just so cute smile

Passmethecrisps Wed 23-Jan-13 22:26:51

VQ I never do tiger in a tree. DH sometimes does. Might be on to something there.

I have always greeted and awake P with "hello eyeballs". No idea why. Quite odd really.

Evilwater Wed 23-Jan-13 22:31:31

Nite all, I think I might have caught a bug. Damn cold wind!

TheDetective Wed 23-Jan-13 22:39:53

16 kids... I'd need shooting. Anyone watching?!

Although I did put through a benefit checker what we would get if we had 10 kids (it wouldn't let me put any more in!). The answer is VERY tempting grin its double my salary!!! And no tax!!

I'm not that mental though. Thank fuck. grin

horseylady Wed 23-Jan-13 22:44:11

Ah pass - that's how I ended up buying a bumbo!! God send!!

Now of course all he wants to do is stand.....

He was chewing my fingers tonight. Proper chewing. Glad he's not got teeth!!

horseylady Wed 23-Jan-13 22:45:07

Btw hello eyeballs??!! Do you not just say hello?!

Bryzoan Wed 23-Jan-13 22:50:00

Blimey I can't keep up with you lot! Every time I think about posting another billon things seen to happen on here and I can never remember what I wanted to say. Loved all your smutty name changes.

vq it was me with the crap p'n't. I wonder if yours was the same one? Mine was pick up in Southampton. Didn't check it properly as had g in the car screaming and wanted to get him home. Think I have probably washed it too many times to kick up a stink now and am too wet to pick a fight. Last time I make that mistake.

Babyswimming - with dd1 I always left her on her travel changing mat on the floor while I changed. I Change her into swimwear after me and out of before to keep her warm. I leave a towel by the pool to warm her as soon as we are out, then have another to dry her with which I use after. I hold her with one hand and faff with bags/ the locker with the other. It is not tricky at all once you get used to it.
Haven't taken g yet because of his hip harness which we can't yet take off. But in just over a week we can take it off for an hour a day and then it builds from there ... Can't wait for baths and swimming and normal cuddles! He loved the bath before the harness - wonder if he still will?

Pass my sister always used to try and take dd1 where she couldn't
see me if she was crying when dsis was holding her. She meant well but it drove me mad.

pr so sorry to hear about you fall. Sounds horrid.

That duck song is back in my head after a long absence... Thanks pr, det and all...

Wishing you all and your little ones long, blissful sleeps. G had his first jabs today and isn't happy. Have tried explaining they are meant to make him sleepy but to no avail.

GTbaby Wed 23-Jan-13 23:03:29

Re swimming. How do u get you n LO into pool?

Also when filling petrol do u take LO into garage to pay? Or leave in car?

TheDetective Wed 23-Jan-13 23:22:31

Got any glue?

I haven't filled my car yet GT as I haven't needed to in 8 weeks shock. I'm not driving much, well not til this week when I've been doing all the school runs as DP's car is in the garage don't get me ranting on how fucking long they have had it.... But I will either use pay at pump, or leave in the car. I know most people think you are a shit parent for leaving them in the car, but unless there is a queue of more than 3 people, you will be in and out in 2 minutes. I'm clumsy with the car seat. It is a royal pain in the ass getting my car seat in and out. I just don't see the fuss to be honest blush. I never took DS1 in, as he was 2, and toddlers and garage forecourts - no thanks! I must admit, I don't think I filled up much when he was with me. I don't imagine I'll have to fill up much when I have Oscar and am alone. Shouldn't be too much of an issue if I am organised and fill up at the right time!.

Bry Ooooh, bet you can't wait to get the time without the