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November 2012 - the best post-natal quiche on MN

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StuntNun Tue 15-Jan-13 16:56:24

Previous thread: www.mumsnet.com/Talk/postnatal_clubs/1655656-November-2012-sleeping-through-yet

The answer to the sleeping though question was a chorus of "no"s but there were a few resounding yesses and a lot more keeping quiet because the rest of us would be well jel.

StuntNun Tue 15-Jan-13 17:00:20

Quiche = Clique for anyone that missed it on the last thread.

BigPigLittlePig Tue 15-Jan-13 17:05:32

Love the new title! I too thought quiche was an autocorrect blush

ValiumQueen Tue 15-Jan-13 17:12:58

grin very true thanks

PetiteRaleuse Tue 15-Jan-13 17:14:29

Marking place. Completely agree, we rock.

TheDetective Tue 15-Jan-13 17:18:03

Oh my baby sleeps through the night, makes his own feeds, and feeds himself. He can also change his own nappy. And washes his own mucky face. Today I caught him walking the dog.

I have the CLEVERIST baby in the whooooooooooooooole world.



Sophiathesnowfairy Tue 15-Jan-13 17:21:38

I love being in an actual quiche!

pikz Tue 15-Jan-13 17:25:01

My baby holds his own bottles dectective he also does his own nappy changes :D

Catbag Tue 15-Jan-13 17:27:04

That's nothing detective- I walked into the lounge to find my two recreating some of the most notable acts over the years from circque du soleil, while singing a selection of songs from Les Mis. DH says they obviously get their natural athleticism from me <<preens>>

TheDetective Tue 15-Jan-13 17:30:04

Fuck Cat my sides, they hurt!!!

Well mine is about to start at Oxford next week. They let him sit his A Levels 18 years early.


He will be studying medicine AND law.

pikz Tue 15-Jan-13 17:32:17

Oh and Luc will be making an appearance in the 6 nations for England as a 2nd row...you had better all cheer for him..

Catbag Tue 15-Jan-13 17:35:45

Oh detective, you are only just getting him in to Oxford now? Aren't you terribly afraid that he will be left behind academically? The mere thought of the children not starting until next week leaves me shaking and crying...

nillynoon Tue 15-Jan-13 17:51:22

Marking my spot in the quiche!

PetiteRaleuse Tue 15-Jan-13 18:13:27

Your babies are all very slow. DD1 is just perfecting her theory on the God Particle and I've sent LO to Australia to coach the British tennis players. With them both out of the house I'm hoping to get a decent night's sleep.

Catbag Tue 15-Jan-13 18:23:33

Oh petite, still only theorising, is she? Well, that's sweet. I'm sure she'll catch up soon. Saul actually found the God Particle the other day; it's powering the Rayburn as we speak.

Catbag Tue 15-Jan-13 18:24:30

Muhahahaha, I don't think I can keep a straight face anymore!

StuntNun Tue 15-Jan-13 18:28:35

What a lot of clever babies. Mine still regularly overflows from both ends but that hasn't prevented him from curing the common cold.

Dixiebell Tue 15-Jan-13 18:37:39

God particle, that's nothing. Mine's the new Messiah.

PetiteRaleuse Tue 15-Jan-13 18:42:46

Yes, the only theorising is a problem. I'm going to have a word with nursery. I'm worried they just aren't challenging her enough.

PetiteRaleuse Tue 15-Jan-13 18:44:12

Dixie how are you coping with the sleepless night due to all the miracles your LO keeps performing?

Lane81 Tue 15-Jan-13 18:46:54


Dixiebell Tue 15-Jan-13 19:00:20

petite, it's a sacrifice I have to make for the good of mankind.

NotSoNervous Tue 15-Jan-13 19:09:13

Marking place, I will keep up with this thread. I missed the whole of the last one sad

Ladies I'm abit confused Oxford comments??

PetiteRaleuse Tue 15-Jan-13 19:21:54

You're right Nervous. Cambridge is much more suitable.

blonderthanred Tue 15-Jan-13 19:29:24

Hello new thread.

My Nov 12 baby is so ahead of himself he managed to be born in October.

Catbag Tue 15-Jan-13 19:39:09


Belgrano Tue 15-Jan-13 19:55:14

Marking place.
DD's first words were this week.
Russian and Mandarin naturally.

BigPigLittlePig Tue 15-Jan-13 19:58:40

Hahahahahaha this has made me chuckle lots
Glad little pig is planning (hmm) to sleep well as off to collect Nobel peace prize tomorrow for her work in creating world peace

This week you say belgrano? My LO was tri-lingual at birth.

Marking place

ChunkyChicken Tue 15-Jan-13 21:46:17

LMAO which is strangely autocorrected to knapsack confused grin.

My littlest LO is only just mastering a concerto on the baby grand, so he's a bit behind tbh, but then DH keeps him out until all hours practising for his trial for GB hockey GK next week, so it's only to be expected....

Dixie he's not the messiah, he's a very naughty boy smile

On a more serious note, I truly believe my DD would rather learn to change her only nappy than learn to use the loo/potty despite ending up spending 35 fucking pounds on a singing bloody potty for her, whoever suggested that DC should choose their own potty & pants has a lot to answer for!!! as she's happy to take it off, try to wipe herself, lift her legs to allow through nappy underneath & will tell you when to change it and what the contents are. Strange girl.

GTbaby Tue 15-Jan-13 21:52:09

Quiche .... i always thought it was a word I didn't know.

Sophiathesnowfairy Tue 15-Jan-13 21:54:19

Would you believe Olly only just told me at bed time that he needed a cap and gown to pick up his PHD in the morning.

These over achievesrs.

Didn't anyone tell them it would be a few weeks until they could become fully qualified, genius. Inds.

Sophiathesnowfairy Tue 15-Jan-13 21:55:33

Pity his mother can't even master basic spelling.

Dixiebell Tue 15-Jan-13 22:06:28

Chunky grin

Izzybuzzybuzzybees Tue 15-Jan-13 22:41:00

Marking spot

DonnaDoon Tue 15-Jan-13 22:43:29

Hello I'm still keeping up...just about.

MissMummy1 Tue 15-Jan-13 22:51:21

Damn you pelvic floor! I'm squeezing you tightly as I giggle uncontrallably at this shiny new thread!!

I'm afraid my darling PFB is a tad behind. Not only was she born in December (the shame, can I still be in your savoury pastry?) but she still has not mastered sleeping through at all, breastfeeding is a bit of a struggle and the little darling struggles to make peace with herself, let alone the universe. Can we forgive her because she's cute please? Failing that I might have to start an AIBU grin

MissMummy1 Tue 15-Jan-13 22:56:17

Oh and she might not have found the god particle but she found the moon in the nursery velux tonight. Matilda Rose Luna is living up to her name. I believe she is a pro sailor in the making!

TheDetective Tue 15-Jan-13 22:59:24

You mean to say your pelvic floor hasn't toned up to the point you could twang it and play a mighty fine guitar solo from it because it is so taut?! And it isn't screaming to be allowed to pop another 36 15lb babies from it?!


TheDetective Tue 15-Jan-13 23:00:50

My pelvic floor can carry bricks. grin

MissMummy1 Tue 15-Jan-13 23:28:37

<slumps back to old thread>

TheDetective Tue 15-Jan-13 23:37:48

Dragging that pelvic floor behind you grin

katkit1 Wed 16-Jan-13 01:47:32

Hi chunky - yes please to adding photo to fb on hernia info. We have reached 3 hrs between a feed yay all due to using sleeping bag I think

Catbag Wed 16-Jan-13 03:32:46

Roflmao detective, I actually spluttered when I read that. Caused both babies to look rather alarmed. Of course when i read out your comments, they were rolling around too...

CandyPop Wed 16-Jan-13 04:09:42

Ah you guys have just cheered me up from a dreadful night (and day) - I have an extremely irritable baby today whos feeding less than every 2 hrs.

rowingdowntheriver Wed 16-Jan-13 04:11:49

This thread is making me smile grin

capedcrusader25 Wed 16-Jan-13 05:47:04

Bastard! I just typed a post and O deleted in! This is actually true, she waved her crazy arms and hit the screen by accident. Or maybe she's finally worked out how to use touch screen phones. About time too! hmm
Basically fatima I don't think it clears on its own. I had thrush and it took a while to shift and I had to use the drops for several days after the last bits disappeared to really kill it off. Still using the cream on her bum now, you have to use that for longer.
gt O is ff but won't be having the drops. I live in the midlands so I walk in the daylight should give her what she needs apparently.

capedcrusader25 Wed 16-Jan-13 05:47:46

Frigs sake. I meant O had thrush not I had thrush!!

Jackz133 Wed 16-Jan-13 06:36:41


Jackz133 Wed 16-Jan-13 06:37:13


GTbaby Wed 16-Jan-13 06:41:58

Who was it who said mil complained about LO not getti g out enough? WELL my mil is constantly saying LO will catch a cold if taken out.
So maybe I should give him drops.
Well we have baby massage today grin so will get out.

StuntNun Wed 16-Jan-13 08:23:04

Apparently two hours of exposure to the sun per week is enough to get all your vitamin D; less if you expose more than just face and hands (oo-er missus), more if you're darker skinned. I'm going to buy vitamin drops today I think.

horseylady Wed 16-Jan-13 08:33:30

Two hours a week? I didn't think the uk had strong enough sun in the winter even if you worked outside? We go out daily dog walking. I'm not convinced enough of him faces the sun to get any benefit as he still faces towards me. Will try facing the world when it gets a bit warmer.

It's bloody freezing!!

NotSoNervous Wed 16-Jan-13 08:36:52

I try to go out for a walk with the pram everyday but I normally always have to go out in the car

We didn't do bath time routine last night and we had quite a bad night sad

Clarella Wed 16-Jan-13 08:38:28

giggling so much lo nearly fell off shoulder. but, he's so advanced, he's evolved wings.

Lane81 Wed 16-Jan-13 08:38:35

The drops are free on NHS, just ask for the 'Healthy Start' drops...

KissysUnderTheMisteltoe Wed 16-Jan-13 08:38:46

smile morning ladies, I see this was where all the action was overnight!

10 hours petite!?! We got 5 and a half hours but I've found another blocked duct this morning! Meh, not having much luck at the moment

PetiteRaleuse Wed 16-Jan-13 08:39:32

I put drops in LO's milk for vit D. The paediatrician recommends it at least in winter months and it won't do any harm.

GT explain to your MIL that in Scandinavia babies nap outside year round in much much colder temperatures. As long as they are wrapped up warm it's so good for them to spend time outside in the cold.

grin at brick-carrying pelvic floors

horseylady Wed 16-Jan-13 08:42:57

Ooo talking of pelvic floors, I did shred last night after Only walking last week (due to cold) and less leaking!! Perhaps it's just time it needs to recover!

PetiteRaleuse Wed 16-Jan-13 08:44:21

Shhh kissy I wanted that to remain buried in the other thread.

kirrinIsland Wed 16-Jan-13 08:50:35

You lot are nuts grin

Thanks Clara Shes in a sleeping bag, but I shall try pinning her into submission arms while settles.

Must have been something in the air last night MM - after a week of awful sleep, or lack of, N did 12-4.30 and then 5-8.30. Hoping we're back on track and it wasn't just a blip smile

Passmethecrisps Wed 16-Jan-13 08:50:43

No coffee left - managed to carry it over here all the way from the other thread and then spilled it with laughing. Ah well

Clarella Wed 16-Jan-13 08:57:09

quite funny that the last thread ended with your post petite, given the title slating ;)

Catbag Wed 16-Jan-13 08:58:27

<<sobs on the floor at the lack of coffee>>

PetiteRaleuse Wed 16-Jan-13 08:58:54

Yeah I did mean to add so A certain someone can stick that in her pipe and smoke it grin

PetiteRaleuse Wed 16-Jan-13 09:02:28

envy at your baby sprouting wings clarella

Actually conquering the human ambition to fly without technology whereas mine is only working on the next stage of supersonic aeronautical engineering. Just exactly what books did you read during pregnancy to have such a super evolved baby? Coz there was nothing about it in the what to expect book I read angry

TooManyDicksOnTheDancefloor Wed 16-Jan-13 09:31:48

Good night here too (well good for us), 10-2 and back asleep by 2.30, then woke this morning at 7.15am. Nights like that I can handle.

I did the same as you dixie ( I think it was you anyway), fed from the wrong boob but I didn't realise until I got back into bed. I woke up with a monster right boob, about 3 times the size of left boob.

PetiteRaleuse Wed 16-Jan-13 09:37:10

You know how everyone assumes in the UK that abroad they handle snow so much better? Tey don't. We get lots pf snow every year. Still took DH almost two hours to get home last night and an hour and a half to get in this morning. Te commuter trains were all delayed too. We've had about 4 inches which have been predicted since middle of last week. Ridiculous.

Thanks caped looks like I'll have to book a trip to the GP tomorrow.

I tempted fate telling you all about Ms 6-7 hour sleeps. Last night she went down at 11 despite being obviously tired at 9. Woke at half 2 for boob and went back down at 3. Then she woke at 5 for more boob and has fed at 6:30, 8 and 9:15 since then. I haven't been able to put her back down either so I am v sleepy. We were meant to be up and out early so I cof book an early Drs appt and go shopping but I'm too tired

PurplePidjin Wed 16-Jan-13 09:47:19

Hi <waves> may i gatecrash?

Raphael was originally due 2/12, then 30/11 but actually showed up 19/11 smile his first 8 weeks have been pretty dramatic (dp had a stroke 3 weeks ago) but fingers crossed for a bit more stability now hmm

Oh yeah, and I'm a full on hippy, wrap slings and full time cloth although i draw the line at co wriggling sleeping!

BigPigLittlePig Wed 16-Jan-13 09:47:37

Oh how I have sniggered to myself over this this morning (once I'd calmed down from reading all about someones 10 hour sleep envy).

Dreadful night, I won't go into details, but dreadful.
Have done full supermarket shop this morning already, cleaned house, and am now back in my PJs good job as already been vommed on

I really hope little pigs feeding improves once she's had her tongue tie dealt with, she's been really fussy over feeding, and keeps falling off then getting frustrated. Also chomping, an action which should never happen to ones nips.

capedcrusader25 Wed 16-Jan-13 09:47:50

No probs Fatima. Here's a link re Vit D:
So for ff babies GT & Horsey (and anyone else) we don't need to give it them until they have less than 500ml a day cause the formula has the recommended amount in.

Catbag Wed 16-Jan-13 09:50:28

Lol, welcome pidgin. Hope you realise that we are the badboys of Mumsnet, it would appear. You will be damned by association! grin

Catbag Wed 16-Jan-13 09:52:51

Where's VQ at? She has been very quiet. Hope you are ok x

TooManyDicksOnTheDancefloor Wed 16-Jan-13 09:56:03

Hi purple. <waves back>, hope your DP is ok, how scary. Feel free to join in, we're a friendly bunch. My dd, Bronwen was due 28/11 but actually appeared 4/12, I stayed with the November gang because they are so lovely!

PurplePidjin Wed 16-Jan-13 09:56:50

Excellent, Catbag, sounds like my kind of place <cackle>

TooManyDicksOnTheDancefloor Wed 16-Jan-13 09:57:47

You've done all that already BPLP! God I'm slack blush

Catbag Wed 16-Jan-13 09:59:33

Oh, you'll fit RIGHT in pidgin <cackles back>

BigPigLittlePig Wed 16-Jan-13 09:59:59

Note the comments re: hideousness of our night. I was up early. Very early. Some might say I didn't really go to bed confused

Clarella Wed 16-Jan-13 10:00:51

we did antenatal trapeze petite. and I did crave worms.

<waves at pidj!> how's dp doing? hope he's ok and you're holding up.

too many our babies are spookily in cahoots!

BigPigLittlePig Wed 16-Jan-13 10:00:52

Oh and if dh tells me today he's tired I may actually slap him

KissysUnderTheMisteltoe Wed 16-Jan-13 10:00:54

Hi purple and welcome, hope your DP is ok.

BPLP I can sympathise with the chomping, my LO has decided that yanking and pulling my nipples is a good idea, don't think she realises they can only stretch a limited distance!

PetiteRaleuse Wed 16-Jan-13 10:01:30

purple that must have been very scary. Has he recovered ok?

LO is going to be 3 months in 3 days. I can't believe she will be a quarter or a year old. I'm going to bake a cake to celebrate it. Yes, it is a little excessive but it's a good excuse for cake. It's not every day one's daughter turns three months is it?!

Catbag Wed 16-Jan-13 10:01:46

Feck, I am mis-spelling you, how rude! Sorry pidjin!

TooManyDicksOnTheDancefloor Wed 16-Jan-13 10:02:47

But if i'd had a night like that I'd be crying into my tea eating my body weight in biscuits BPLP, certainly not shopping and cleaning. Hope you get some sleep today thanks

Catbag Wed 16-Jan-13 10:03:19

Clarella grin

BigPigLittlePig Wed 16-Jan-13 10:05:56

PR that's more than enough reason to have cake in my book.
Kissys I presumed the chomping etc was normal - had read somewhere it can help stimulate milk production (not that any help is needed as the poor mite has been known to nearly drown in it) - but I'm told now that it's all due to the tongue tie and the fact she can't latch on properly any more. It's strange though that it hasn't caused problems before now, maybe now she's getting bigger it's restricting her more?

I feel a bit rambly and vague today so sorry if none of that makes much sense.

TooManyDicksOnTheDancefloor Wed 16-Jan-13 10:07:07

Can't decide whether to go to booby baby cafe. It's -3 outside.

BigPigLittlePig Wed 16-Jan-13 10:07:09

toomanydicks there were no biscuits in the house sad there are now though

Clarella Wed 16-Jan-13 10:09:09

I never knew which thread to go with so intermittently straddled both. it's nice to see what I'm in for / can hope for over here! (and
you're all lovely too tho Dec lot are too smile )

more and more I'm wondering if stuff happens gestationally age wise? I know colic does and someone said smiles are at 46 weeks - George smiled bang on 46 weeks.

I'm back in bed with a cold but it is the first time ever since he was born <preens> (though more due post natal adrenaline!)

PetiteRaleuse Wed 16-Jan-13 10:11:14

bigPig I don't think you need to apologise for being rambly and vague today smile

clarella grin that'll explain it. Antenatal trapeze. Didn't even think of it. I have failed my babies sad

BigPigLittlePig Wed 16-Jan-13 10:14:39

Am going to try to go back to sleep on the sofa with LO (bad mummy award no.1) despite the fact her nappy smells disgusting (not long changed but upset tummy - bad mummy award no.2).

Just hope the cat doesn't decide to join us on the sofa because if he does it will be to try to shag my leg, revolting beast

Clarella Wed 16-Jan-13 10:17:04


debating whether to sit in bed with gallons of hot ribena listening to woman's hour or downstairs with gallons of hot ribena and desperate hws of oc ..... either way I'll have baby bird perched on shoulder it seems.

PetiteRaleuse Wed 16-Jan-13 10:20:49

Am going to have to add Ribena to the list of thigns I am craving from home along with northern chip shop chips and pickled onion flavoured monster munch. And salt and vinegar squares. And Lilt. And Vimto. And takeaway curry and naan. My nearest Indian restaurant is 20km away and it's not brilliant.

Yep, definitely time for a summer trip back to the UK.

Catbag Wed 16-Jan-13 10:26:20

Speaking of Woman's Hour, I just coughed into my tea as the older lady that is on narriwly avoided saying 'fuckbuddy' grin

PetiteRaleuse Wed 16-Jan-13 10:36:17

Ooh catbag in French they have a word for 'fuckbuddy'

It's 'un/une fucking friend'

Seriously. They use the English words, wrong. Makes me laugh every time I hear it. Which isn't often but anyway..

Catbag Wed 16-Jan-13 10:38:00

Lol, I think I like that better than fuckbuddy grin

Clarella Wed 16-Jan-13 10:39:18

dam missed it doing a change.

KissysUnderTheMisteltoe Wed 16-Jan-13 10:41:57

Lol at the French version of Fuckbuddy! grin

kirrinIsland Wed 16-Jan-13 11:19:47

Ummm - hot ribena! <<adds ribena to shopping list>>

Welcome pidjin hope your DP is doing ok. How scary. xx

Love the French version petite grin QI last night had a bit on how we use French words for things that they don't use in that context - like encore, and double entendre. Interesting -- too me, anyway-- to see it also work in reverse.

In other news, N has finally poo'd! And yes, it was a poonami - I heard it from the other side of the room. I swear she feels lighter now.

DD1 is asleep so I am just about to venture into my hovel bedroom with a bin bag and have a good sort out. This will mostly involve just throwing stuff away <<channels inner minimalist>>

MissMummy1 Wed 16-Jan-13 11:31:39

Still no poo here kirrin. I am dreading it.

HV a total waste of time this morning. They said to be concerned if she hasnt gone for 14 DAYS?!?

Was going to go into the city today but I'm scared of a poo disaster blush

MissMummy1 Wed 16-Jan-13 11:32:03

Oh and welcome purple - we talk a lot grin

MissMummy1 Wed 16-Jan-13 11:33:06

Dicks Matilda and Bronwen seem to be syncing their good/bad nights smile

MissMummy1 Wed 16-Jan-13 11:38:03

Leaving her on our designer cream sofa is also filling me with dread blush

Elizadoesdolittle Wed 16-Jan-13 11:39:48

Not had chance to read through tread yet. Just marking place. Poor E has caught my horrible cold. Was inevitable really but she's not long recovered from the last one.

StuntNun Wed 16-Jan-13 11:48:42

Welcome Purple we're not usually quite so crazy, it must be the cumulative effect of sleep deprivation apart from PR of course but if anyone deserves a good night's sleep it's her. How is your DH now, is he recovering well?

J has had his injections after they kept us waiting for ages. He seemed pretty unsettled after so I gave him some Calpol which he managed to spit back out again. I'm hoping he'll go to sleep but he's currently wriggling about and smacking himself in the head with his iggle fists for some reason.

I bought the vitamin drops but I'm not sure he actually needs them. I took vitamin D through pregnancy so apparently he should have a good store of it in his body. I'm still taking Pregnacare so he'll be getting vitamin D in his milk as well so it doesn't sound like he needs supplementation.

NotSoNervous Wed 16-Jan-13 11:53:23

Welcome purple how is your DP? Sounds like you've had a rough time

kirrin my DD didn't poo for 2 days she normally goes at least 6 times a day and she finally went yesterday, I think I'm still traumatised from how bad it was

I'm off to baby massage today but not looking forward to going out in this cold sad

MadamGazelleIsMyMum Wed 16-Jan-13 11:58:38

Howdy all, nice thread title stunt.

When DS leaves it a bit long between poos, they are always immense and he has the most awesome look of deep satisfaction ever. <proud>

Cold here, was meant to be heading to the east midlands from the south west on friday for my grandpa's 90th birthday on Saturday, but thinking of heading up tonight as Friday's weather looks appalling. At least if I get stuck, will be chez mes parents, and their warm house, babysitters and entertainers of children on tap, plus far better food than I buy!

NotSoNervous Wed 16-Jan-13 12:00:41

Glad you had a good sleep last night petite 10 hours! Bet you feel more human today

Started my not diet healthy eating Monday and dragged DP on board, not that he has much choice seems as I do the meal planning, shopping and cooking so he gets what's put in front of him grin did an online shop full of healthy stuff but I craving cake already and it's been 2 days right going over tithe diet thread

PetiteRaleuse Wed 16-Jan-13 12:13:14

How are those with colic issues going? And reflux? If it's any reassurance LO has calmed down and spits up less than even a week ago except when I put the wrong teat on her bottle

I remember DD1 becoming suddenly a lot easier from about 3 to 6 months so hoping this one is following a similar pattern.

PetiteRaleuse Wed 16-Jan-13 12:16:24

Oh God I sound like a right smug arse today don't I? It's only because LO is older than most of the babies on here that we're getting past some of the more frustrating aspects of newbornness. Am I digging myself a hole?

BigPigLittlePig Wed 16-Jan-13 12:30:17

PR you're lucky I've just had 2 hours sleep otherwise I'd say yes, you have dug a rather immense hole. But, feel more human (ish) now, despite waking up with an enormous leaky boob (note singular, one boob - sporting a very lopsided look).

LOs reflux is on the whole better - I stopped the gaviscon due to constipation (good luck with impending poonami mm) and the chemist had to order ranitidine, which we're still waiting for...but not too much vom, and not too bad at lying down. Definitely an improvement until last night but that's a different story

Madam where in the south west are you lurking?

Sophiathesnowfairy Wed 16-Jan-13 12:31:14

Have been spending the morning manically sorting newborn stuff out for ebaying. What a palaver. The lounge looks like a bomb has hit it.

Feel the urge to go and make a cake.

Clarella Wed 16-Jan-13 12:31:25

no petite it's nice to see light at end of the tunnel!

our issue is relentless straining - which wakes him and upsets him. wondering about ramping up gripe water? I only give him a half dose every now and then. he's just over 5 weeks.

KissysUnderTheMisteltoe Wed 16-Jan-13 12:43:45

Not at all petite like you say your LO is a bit older than most on here

My LO doesn't seem to be getting as much reflux at the moment. Think maybe she's growing out of it? She's still sick quite a bit but it doesn't seem to bother her. Will still go see the doctor about it next week for a 2nd opinion though. Not giving her gaviscon anymore as it was bunging her up too much

PetiteRaleuse Wed 16-Jan-13 12:53:58

Clarella relentless straining is a sign of constipation. Not one of the more obvious signs, like lack of poo or hard poo, but a sign anyway. Could be worth bringing it up with your hv or gp next time you see someone.

TooManyDicksOnTheDancefloor Wed 16-Jan-13 13:09:43

I've just been to booby cafe and asked about the vitamin d thing. I was told by the HV there that all BF mums should take a daily multi vit containing A, C and D (I think). You don't need to give your baby vit drops until you start to wean as they get the vitamins from you.

Catbag Wed 16-Jan-13 13:17:45

That's what I thought. Was fairly sure the only supplement they needed to ingest themselves instead if through milk was vit. k.

rowingdowntheriver Wed 16-Jan-13 13:22:36

Long post just vanished. Just as well as it was another moan about MIL. She's gone now thankfully.

Welcome pidj. How awful for you all that DH had a stroke. Is he recovering well?

DH is struggling to bond with Ds2 sad and he admitted yesterday though I had already guessed. He only really sees him when he does the dream feed at night when DS2 cries a lot, won't take the bottle and struggles to burp. I think DH is finding it very stressful that at is the only interaction he has with him.

I want to be as supportive to DH as possible about this as I think he was brave to admit it and I know he feels awful about it. I'm trying to persuade him to give up on the dream feed, I'll also try to get him to hold DS2 a bit more during the day on weekends (when he is not screaming), whilst I look after DS1. Does anyone else have any other ideas on what I / we can do?

BigPigLittlePig Wed 16-Jan-13 13:28:39

Rowing my dh has the same problem, the only time he sees LO awake is when she's screaming for food. He says he feels as though she hates him, as there is nothing he can do to stop her crying. To help them bond, she sleeps on his chest in the evening rather than putting her in her crib/bouncer, and he has had baths with her at the weekend. It's really difficult for dhs/dps though - more so than I realised before LO was born. I hope he can start to enjoy you LO a bit more and bond with him thanks

rowingdowntheriver Wed 16-Jan-13 13:36:45

Thanks bplp and sorry to hear that your DP is feeling the same thanks. I like your ideas so will suggest them to DH to see if they might help.

PetiteRaleuse Wed 16-Jan-13 13:42:49

Rowing could your DH take over bath time, at least at weekends (unless your LO hates baths which would defeat the object). The smilier LO gets the easier it will be too. My LO starts smiling and chortling when DH gets back from work, and he loves that.

It was much easier for DH to bond with DD1 as I was really ill for the first 12 weeks of her life so as soon as he was home he dealt with her all the time. With DD2 there is the jealousy issue from DD1 so it's harder for him to get much one on one time with her.

I generally think it'll get easier the more interactive baby gets though. Let's face it. We spend a LOT of time staring at our LOs and notice every cute grunt they make. When you don't have the opportunity to do that it has to be harder to bond. And if there are older children who are more attention grabbing then it is even harder. I would guess a lot of our DP/Hs share the same problem. It's good he mentioned it so you can work on it.

MadamGazelleIsMyMum Wed 16-Jan-13 13:54:36

BigPigLittlePig I am in Exeter.

PR mine would share the same problem - time with baby DS. DD is almost 2 and a complete Daddy's girl - she tantrums if he is with DS too much, and so its easier for DH to deal with DD while I deal with DS, but that only makes her even more attached to him and prevents him from spending much time with DS. He does do bathtime, and is good at soothing him in the evenings when DD is asleep, so I guess we just do more of the same.

Elizadoesdolittle Wed 16-Jan-13 14:02:48

rowing we are the same. DH doesn't deal with DD2 much at all. The only evening he looked after she cried the while time pretty much. He deals with DD1 to free me up so I can deal with DD2. It's sounds awful when put bluntly like that but it works for us. I am bf, E refuses to take a bottle so apart from nappy changes and bath time he's pretty much redundant. He is, however fantastic with DD1 and I know he'll be the same with E once she's older. It's such a difficult time for the DH's as they are pretty redundant a lot with the babies in early stages. DH has no interest in babies whereas as soon as they interact he gets fully involved. I know some men who adore the early stage, mine isn't one of them.
It sounds like your DH is doing all he can. Sorry I don't have any advice but I'm sure your DH will get there.

horseylady Wed 16-Jan-13 14:26:02

Madame where are you coming too?!

Just been swimming. Ds went under water.

PetiteRaleuse Wed 16-Jan-13 14:39:39

madame daddy's girl - yep - incredible isn't it how true that expression is. I was never close to my dad as he was a twat, and didn't really believe in the whole daddy's girl thing, but DD1 is inseperable from her dad from the minute he walks through the doir, and pretends I'm not there once he arrives grin

she's sweet and loving and well behaved when he's out, but turns into a real tantrum holding toddler when he is around if his attention is not directed fully at her. It's funny.

MadamGazelleIsMyMum Wed 16-Jan-13 14:50:41

horsey we are off to Rutland.

PR sounds the same, DD cheerfully waves me off but the tears we have if Daddy leaves are something else. It is a lovely relationship they have though, and makes it easier for me to work FT while DH stays at home. However, am not sure DD will like it when her days at home with DH are shared with DS...

PurplePidjin Wed 16-Jan-13 14:51:01

Thanks for the welcome thanks it's been pretty hairy but i love having him around all the time, even though he's a bit limited on the practical side - he's pretty clumsy down the left side, and he gets tired really quickly; I'm hoping we can coordinate nap times eventually but at the moment ds only naps after a walk in the sling and dp isn't up to taking him far in it at the moment.

Nice to think there might soon be an end to the unrelentingness, we'll be 2 months on Sunday shock

KissysUnderTheMisteltoe Wed 16-Jan-13 14:51:34

Another daddy's girl in the kissy household. Although she always wants me when she's poorly or has hurt herself! DP looks after DD1 when he's here and I see to DD2, think he finds the early weeks hard too as he feels a bit redundant, but that will pass. Now DD2 is starting to smile and laugh at him a bit more he finds it easier

BigPigLittlePig Wed 16-Jan-13 14:56:49

she's sweet and loving and well behaved when he's out, but turns into a real tantrum holding toddler when he is around if his attention is not directed fully at her - this sums up my dsd in a nutshell, although not sure I can call her a toddler anymore!

LO has only smiled at me and dsd so far (worryingly she smiled as dsd danced to gangnam style with her confused)

Brockle Wed 16-Jan-13 15:22:11

afternoon all. my DP felt the same with DS2 as I BF'd him and he spent a lot of time with DS1 but once DS2 got bigger and weaning started he bonded with him a lot more and he is another daddys boy now. It will pass and he is a lot more chilled about it with DS3 now.

mum is doing the school run whilst I sit by the fire grin

ValiumQueen Wed 16-Jan-13 16:04:25

Thank you for missing me cat thanks I have been out galavanting! Yes, I got dressed, yes I went further than the school and nursery, yes I fed in public! Clear progress made. Shame I cannot say the same about sleep.

Very annoyed with Debenhams having taken away all the lovely comfy bucket chairs in the restaurant. Not so easy feeding on a dining chair!

I bought lots of socks too. I swear my girls eat socks <<wonders if that is why the washer is fucked>>

Welcome PP

NotSoNervous Wed 16-Jan-13 16:09:36

rowing every night my DP gets in the bath with LO and they have their time, and she loves it. We've started giving her a bottle of bm every night which sometimes works great because she'll take it well and cuddle right into him and he loves it but other times she'll be a bit more fussy and he greats stressed so easily thinking he can't look after her properly. Also because DP still isn't back at work he's here in the morning when she's in hear best mood so we get lots of smiles and things then

How was swimming horsey ? Did you go to a class or just by yourself?

katkit1 Wed 16-Jan-13 16:31:55

Hi pp - scary time for you and your dh.

Rowing - another vote for your dh to maybe take over bath time, dads can be more silly and fun, not much washing gets done but who cares.

horseylady Wed 16-Jan-13 17:09:00

We go to a class. It's very expensive. I'm trying to decide if it's worth it for such a short period of time. It's only half an hour which is plenty long enough for him to be in the pool!! But it's a lot of money.

I'll perhaps switch to council run lessons when he's 5 months but I've already paid for this term!!

rowingdowntheriver Wed 16-Jan-13 17:21:05

Thank you everyone for supportive words about DH and DS2. It is a relief to hear that other DP's feel the same and that it is perfectly normal and understandable that they feel that way.

I'll definitely suggest to DH that he does bath time with him when he is here and hopefully he will see the sunnier side of Louis!

ChunkyChicken Wed 16-Jan-13 17:43:32

rowing I was adamant that DH would bond with DD as I was bfing, so she had a later bed time than normally expected for LOs, so he could bath her on bath nights or just get her ready for bed, changing nappies & sleepsuit etc, so I literally just fed her before bed. She also slept on him for the first 3wks whilst I went to bed for a couple of hrs. Not sure whether he did it deliberately or just because he's #2, but he's distanced himself from DS a bit. DS is a bit less predictable than DD was and DH has had other distractions but it upsets me a bit, as I feel that lots of other things are more important to him. But I agree with the others that baths are a good idea.

Kyzordz Wed 16-Jan-13 18:01:33

pr my lo's reflux is managed with aptamil anti reflux milk and he's doing well on that though he gets tummy ache and wind sometimes the issues are nothing compared to before. Sometimes his poo is quite solid but nothing too awful, he goes once a day and it isnt Causing him pain when he does a poo. I've no idea though if I'm meant to try him again in the future on normal formula. On one hand I don't want to rock the boat and cause disruption to his system but on the other hand i don't want him having something he doesn't need. Another main problem is he drinks up to z8oz every four hours during the day, so between 35-40oz a day, and as I understand it the ar milk is thicker and more filing. I dread to think how much he would drink of bog standard milk :|

Welcome purple

I've brought lo to hull to visit my sister overnight. Have never taken him away before, have packed EVERYTHING! He seems ok so far, currently asleep in his travel cot. Would be a lot less hassle if he drank normal formula, cos this one is made a bit differently and gets lumpy if you're not careful. Plus he drinks from different bottles than the ones we warm up, it's all a massive faff. He drinks from mam teats and so has the mam bottles but they're so thick they don't heat well so a feed is taken from fridge and warmed in Avent bottle and then poured through a sterilised mini sieve into the mam bottle. Bottle warmer is turned on prior to this faff and is capable for keeping half warm when he's drank half and is winded. Obviously if he needs his special milk and bottles forever we'll keep doing it this way but yeah, we have enough stuff for 24 hours and maybe one day I'll manage longer/easier/less stressy type trips!

Hope everyone has good nights, am dreading mine, but if I'm up ill probably get chance to post on here and let you all know lol! I've never been here before, sister not long moved here so no idea of house layout and I'm likely to trip up over an oap dog too!

Sorry for the epic post!!!

Passmethecrisps Wed 16-Jan-13 18:03:26

Welcome to PP! Crikey, what a difficult start for you all. I hope you can get some routine and rest soon.

We had a nice day galavanting as well. How much coffee is really healthy on an emptyish stomach though?

Burgers for tea tonight . . . And I'm not kidding either. They are posho ones though so I am sure if there is any horse in them it will have been a fabulous stallion

Kyzordz Wed 16-Jan-13 18:05:10

Also re: dp's, mine is good and seems well bonded with lo but we've never spoken about it really, I know he feels he struggles with some aspects of his care and he wonders why he sometimes cannot get him to stop crying, but he's getting much better at going through the mental list of is he hungry/dirty/tired/bored/hot/cold/tummy ache etc. I think it's helped that he saved all holidays from work and has had 6 weeks off over Xmas with us. He goes back Monday and works nights, am dreading it!

Lane81 Wed 16-Jan-13 18:06:08

I had a good night last night too, something in the air!

Welcome purple!!

I just went to baby cinema showing of Les Mis, it was great fun. I do wish it would warm up though, leaving the house with millions of layers plus spares for LO is becoming an ordeal!

blonderthanred Wed 16-Jan-13 18:23:08

Lane I went to a parent & baby screening of Les Mis today too. It was a bit long I thought, could do with an interval. Certainly the babies seemed to think so. Mine just slept through it apart from a quick feed & change.

KissysUnderTheMisteltoe Wed 16-Jan-13 18:27:22

I'm very envy of all you ladies who have cinemas that do baby showings, I really want to go see The Life of Pi

BigPigLittlePig Wed 16-Jan-13 18:41:02

DH gives LO a bottle of ebm sometimes after initially freaking out about it being breast milk hmm - that definitely helps them bond as LO gets so excited about being fed that her eyes go all shaky...strange but v cute!

<waves to purple> welcome to the madness!

horsey What does your LO think of the water? We are taking DS swimming as soon as he has gotten over his cold. Neither of my parents swim and so they never took me when I was little. As a result I was a very nervous swimmer when I started having lessons at school. I used to cry every week before my swimming lesson and I want to avoid that with DS so will be getting him used to it asap.

Catbag Wed 16-Jan-13 20:23:23

Has everyone got the banner at the top of the page that says <quiches>?! Just wondered if it was a striking coincidence or a bit of targeted advertising grin

Elizadoesdolittle Wed 16-Jan-13 20:28:20

horsey we do swimming lessons with DD1 and I have to say I'm so pleased we did. I was very keen for her to like the water and swimming as I love it but DH can't swim. It is expensive but it's paid off for us as she is a great little swimmer and very water confident and safety aware. I know what you mean as its only half an hour and I started out with the intention of swapping to the council classes but kept with aquatots. I like the very small classes they have so can really give the babies their attention and help. I'm looking forward to starting with DD2. I do think though that some babies take to it better than others no matter what swimming lessons you do. Even just taking them swimming yourself is a great start.

I'm taking E to be weighed in the morning. Really not looking forward to it. Since she got this cold it's been so hard getting her to feed so I don't think she will have put much weight on. I'm not sure what else I can do to get her piling it on. I'm hoping the MW has some miracle cure but there really isn't one!

I'm going to see les mis tomorrow night. I love the stage show and I'm sure ill enjoy the film as much. Going to blub like a baby I know.

Thechick Wed 16-Jan-13 20:43:25

Hello all. I'm so behind on the thread. Still reading the last one. We are all well here. H got weighed on Monday and he is now double his birth weight and is now at double figures which was one of my personal milestones. I also got an email from my boss reminding me that I need to give 8 weeks notice if I want to come back before the year is out. I think I want to work one less day but I'm not sure we can afford it. I've put his name down for a nursery that ofsted have classed as outstanding and its £98 for 2 days. There's about 100 people on the waiting list so we need to keep looking.

Bigpig You mentioned about weaning and your prem LO, I spoke to my hv about this as I was wondering the same thing and she said to use actual age. I get confused as to what age to apply what to also. My LO came 6 wks early. How early was yours?

YokoUhOh thanks for the link to the isisonline it was very interesting and made me relax a bit about H's waking.

MissMummy1 Wed 16-Jan-13 20:44:44

We have poo! Unfortunately poonami erupted while we were sharing a bathconfused - could have been worse, the sofa is still lovely and cream at least!!

Oh purple I forgot to say, I love your little boy's name. It was going to be DS's middle name until DP decided he didn't need one. Prefer that spelling to the other way as well.

PetiteRaleuse Wed 16-Jan-13 20:57:26

MM1 classic!! grin

Gross isn't it in the bath?!

J has found his thumb thank The Lord he's managed to settle sucking it a few times today!!!

MissMummy1 Wed 16-Jan-13 21:07:04

Horrific. She was mighty pleased with herself though!!

Passmethecrisps Wed 16-Jan-13 21:13:57

mm she will sleep the sleep of the freshly emptied! I wondered if p might poo in the bath today but no.

BigPigLittlePig Wed 16-Jan-13 21:31:15

Catbag I too have the quiche banner, it's been there a few days though so think it's just a happy coincidence!

Chick little pig was 5 weeks early (luckily, as she was due on Christmas eve!). Congrats on getting your LO to double figures - we're a way off yet but she's doing her best to pile on the pounds. I think I'll feel weirdly sad when she does hit 10lbs because it means she's definitely growing up. I've sort of wedged her into one of her original babygros tonight, it's way too small and quite tricky to get the 2nd leg into so will have to be packed away after tonight. How old is your LO now?

MM I live in fear of bath poos - especially if I feed her when we're in the bath. Nothing gets the bowels going like a feed, so it would seem.

blonderthanred Wed 16-Jan-13 22:30:51

Will be thinking of you tomorrow Eliza, best of luck. Let us know how you get on. It's a horrible feeling when you think it's going to be bad news but I do hope it's not.

Welcome Purple.

Lane81 Wed 16-Jan-13 22:39:55

Blonder mine slept through the whole thing but agree that it was long for a parent/baby viewing, many older babies were bored! I don't think I'll go when she's older but right now while she's still sleeping lots, it's great. Last week was The Impossible and the subject matter plus hormonal new mums meant everyone was wailing!

ChunkyChicken Wed 16-Jan-13 23:17:28

BPLP jealous of you feeding LO in the bath. I don't get time to get a bath, let alone one where I can feed him!! I've never done it (despite feeding my DD til she was 9mo), never thought about doing it tbh, and yet it seems lately loads of people have mentioned doing it. I just can't imagine getting the water hot enough for me, but not too hot for Aaron...

Eliza good luck tomorrow, as long as she looks well and is meeting her milestones etc she's probably fine, just a slower grower... But it is worrying when you feel like its a hurdle you have to face at every "weigh-in".

TheDetective Wed 16-Jan-13 23:20:10

MM That made my day - but probably not yours. grin Bad baby!!

Horsey We are hoping to go swimming on Friday - if the snow stays away. It is the council run classes - £4.70 a week. Waterbabies wanted £130 up front. I almost dropped the phone like a hot potato when they told me. Gonna stick with these council run ones we have found. Hope it will be good. He has his little all in one swim suit with a shark on the front grin. Just need to get some swim nappies! We don't want THAT in a public pool....!

You buggers have been far too busy chatting today! Give up keeping up when I'm not on all day!

We made baby group - woohoo! Me and DP singing Old McDonald to a sleeping Oscar was not the highlight of my day! Felt like a twat stupid idiot! I had him sat up on my knee doing actions. He lolled his head on my arm and let the Zzzzz's rip! That does NOT happen at home! hmm

It was bloody freezing outside today! Still can't feel my toes. But was on a mission to get out the sodding house today, I was up, dressed, make upped and hair done by 8.30. I didn't manage this pre baby, so post baby... hi-five!!

We had some good news today - DP's mum, offered to have the baby on one of the days we needed a CM for. So now we only need 4 hours childcare a week. Am made up. She is fantastic with kids. She should be a childminder, she would be amazing. Oscar is a lucky boy! And she said she will have him to fit in around any extra hours DP wants to do at work, as they work in the same place, she will tell them not to give him extra hours unless she is off, so that we don't need to worry about childcare. I wish I had known this ages ago! Would have been less of a worry, but oh well! I think she wanted to wait and see what kind of baby he turned out like. He's an easy baby, so she feels it will be manageable, and that is why she has now made the offer.

Right, off to bed for me! Been a long day, and I am going for my fanjo check up tomorrow at hospital. Nervous about what this may bring.

ChunkyChicken Wed 16-Jan-13 23:57:54

To dream feed or not to dream feed, that is the question....

He is currently fidgety & grunty so ideal time, but last night he fed until 1am (from 12) on & off, & still woke up at 5.30, after feeding for about an hr. The night before was worse, feeding (& pooing, farting, swapping boobs & burping) for 1.5hrs!!! He then only went until 4.30, although no dream feed as I only finished feeding just before 11!!

ChunkyChicken Wed 16-Jan-13 23:58:35

Oh, good news detective. One less thing to worry about the return to work.

Night all!!

kirrinIsland Wed 16-Jan-13 23:59:38

grin MM Clearly a warm bath does work then!

Good luck tomorrow detective

N has her jabs tomorrow, I'm dreading it - although I found the ones at 12 months the worst with DD1 - I hate it that you know it's a good thing for them, but they just think you've just let someone hurt them sad

katkit1 Thu 17-Jan-13 00:06:27

Kirrin - hope the jabs are quick and painless. I sobbed on Tuesday during alex's, I thought I would be ok too and not cry - oh well. Alex was fine and cried for just a moment per leg.

Detective - ouchie not the most fun of day outs ahead for you tomorrow

Dixiebell Thu 17-Jan-13 02:28:13

Those of you with older DCs, how are you finding it these days? Ds1 is 2.3. Yesterday I got cross with him so many times, having to negotiate over everything, he's started screaming when he doesn't get his own way, just won't do what I say. Usual toddler stuff really, but he wore me down yesterday. I found myself getting a bit rough with him- dragging him upstairs by the arm to get dressed for example. I think that the lack of sleep and having Teddy often crying while I'm trying to deal with him just made me less patient to deal with his usual behaviour, and I snapped more. How can I stop myself getting so angry with him?! Felt either peed off or guilty all day, and I'd rather I enjoyed the time with him as I used to!

Anyway, we did make it to our first toddler group since Ted's arrival. Teddy helpfully slept all the way through it. I miss the lovely quiet baby groups I used to go to with ds1 tho...can't take a rampaging toddler with you to those! Ds1 at CM's today so looking fwd to a quieter day.

Dixiebell Thu 17-Jan-13 02:44:04

Want to see les mid with Teddy...those of u who've been, how comfortable was it feeding/holding LOs? Wondering whether it might be sensible to take a cushion or something to prop him up or rest my arm on...

GTbaby Thu 17-Jan-13 02:47:54

Hello Dixie.

AIBU to think where the fuck is everyone. I mean are u doing something totally unacceptable. Like sleeping. What's wrong with u! Post!
Why can't I sleepconfused is it cos stupid fuckwit husband keeps snoring. aww LO just did a cute little sigh

Anyway seeing as ur all being slack.
Today I went to massage class. Organised to do coffee after nxt weeks class n now found out I have to look after DNephews hmm I'm never going to mk friend at this rate. confused

Had dinner guests over tonight. So after the class came home n helped in kitchen. Was meant to go buy paint for nursery n sort out mess in his room. Another thing postponed. angry

My shoulder hurts. 2 years ago I got a frozen shoulder. Hurts like fuck. N feels like its starting again in other shoulder. Can't Handel it! I have a LO to pick up n cuddle n feed n dress n bath. I can't do all that with an arm I can't move hmm

Moan moan moan. That's all I do.


Clarella Thu 17-Jan-13 03:47:00

I did post but mn went down ...

oh mm!

we had our first bath together - and first explosive leaking poo not long after.... on dh! must help relax them ( again, are our babies linked mm and toomany?!)

good luck detective!

I feel pants with cold - hope everyone ok only skimmed eyes feel like lead

nillynoon Thu 17-Jan-13 03:48:45

Welcome purple!

5 hour stint of sleep here, hurrah!

We are booking our first weekend away as a family of three - 2 nights in Edinburgh. Looking forward to taking Toby to the zoo!

TooManyDicksOnTheDancefloor Thu 17-Jan-13 03:55:53

Today has been all about over-active letdown, over-supply and vomit! I have used every muslin square I own! How do I cure this please? Answers on a postcard...

TooManyDicksOnTheDancefloor Thu 17-Jan-13 03:57:27

They obviously wake at the same time clarella!

Lane81 Thu 17-Jan-13 04:27:06

Hey Dixie, I found it really easy to feed and hold LO throughout, but she is small and I am used to holding her a lot as she will not entertain a sling. Lots of people have slings and bring all kinds of stuff. There are the arm rests. Our chairs are quite comfy though-those ones you can recline a bit.

That's brill news Detective! My MIl has offered two days every other week which isn't actually that helpful with other childcare, I am slightly worried about what to do.

DD has slept through 10.30-6.30 fot a couple of nights, though when I read about the increased SIDs that made me confusedbut she's now back on form tonight, so it's not lasted!!!

StuntNun Thu 17-Jan-13 04:34:05

No sleep here GT! I haven't got to any groups yet. I hope I'll be able to but I hate having to cope in social situations (I'm partially deaf - just enough to make chatting awkward) so I've been putting it off. I'm getting fitted for a hearing aid next week so I might wait until I have that.

We're on the third feed of the night here (12:30, 2:30, 4) so might have another one before morning. J is a chubby little thing compared to my previous two skinny runts, I'm not sure why he feeds quite so often, most days he has an hour between some feeds. It's like growth spurt feeding all the time. It could be that I've been eating so much chocolate that he isn't actually getting milk, it's more like chocolate milkshake.

Catbag Thu 17-Jan-13 04:54:55

I'm here, but ridiculously tired so am just going to lurk...

TheDetective Thu 17-Jan-13 05:14:35

Oh thank you Oscar!!! So after his early 8.30 start yesterday, he was tired by 9.30 last night. He fed and was asleep by 10. We went to bed at 1130. Didn't bother with a dream feed as he fed at 7.30 and wanted his bedtime feed (screaming, eye rubbing, general bedtime cues seen!) 2 hrs later, so I knew he would do his longer stretch. But figured he might wake anything from 2 onwards. Well he went til just before 5. I now love him just that little bit more. grin

don't slap me oh sleepless ones!!!

And in the 10 mins I've been writing this, he has almost finished his feed. Who swapped my baby?!

TheDetective Thu 17-Jan-13 05:17:02

Sorry cat blush

TheDetective Thu 17-Jan-13 05:18:13

And stunt!!

TheDetective Thu 17-Jan-13 05:28:49

Fuck. He is back in the basket. confused

Night feeds take an hour in total usually.

Only difference is I left him swaddled. Can you leave them swaddled 24 hours a day?!

An now rocking basket and doing mummy's special white noise. Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhh over and over. Shouldn't be long now. He's nearly in dreamland....!

StuntNun Thu 17-Jan-13 05:51:16

Glad to hear you got a break Detective. We're on the fourth feed of the night and I have to get up in 40 minutes <sob>. It only lasted five minutes as well the little sod. Could it have been a ruse to get into mummy and daddy's bed perhaps?

Dixiebell Thu 17-Jan-13 06:08:02

Oh DH...we'd all love to be soundly sleeping with our heads under the covers, but what i really need from you now is a noce cup of tea and a slice if cake . Would it be wrong to kick him and demand one?!

Dixiebell Thu 17-Jan-13 06:09:30

A noce cup of tea and a slice if cake. Yes phone, that's exactly what I wanted to write.

katkit1 Thu 17-Jan-13 06:09:42

Can't think properly as don't feel any better but I think Alex might have slept for 4 hrs first time ever in 8 weeks. Woke at 01.45 for a feed and change and upgrade of sleeping bag after piddling on everything during the change. He woke up at 06.00 that's 4hrs. I just wish I felt better, I feel worse for some reason.

kirrinIsland Thu 17-Jan-13 06:32:51

stunt you've just described my days as nights. Constant feeding, basically! N is 9 weeks now, I was hoping things might have at least calmed down a bit in the day. Though DD1 fed like this til about 4 months so I don't know why I'm expecting anything different.

Dixie DD1 has just turned 2 and I know exactly how you feel. I find it really hard to stay calm some days and it appears to be directly related to how much sleep I have had. I am trying to channel my inner earth mother but it's next to impossible some days.

I too am full of cold. DP has had it the past few days and I hope I'm not going to get it as bad as him. He even retired to bed yesterday and the day before and he never does that - I think I've only seen him get sick once before, in 15 years.

GT that sucks sad Is there no-one else who can have your nephews. It seems very unfair if you already have plans.

MissMummy1 Thu 17-Jan-13 06:45:37

Oh where in edinburgh are you staying nilly? I live in North Queensferry which is just under the rail bridge (literally right beside deep sea world!). Enjoy!

Clarella and dicks our babies clearly all joined forces in those final days while they dragged their heels on the antenatal thread grin

Dh gets ashore in half an hour then is on leave for a week! Yay! Should be two but I'd kill him if he was around that long he's managed to pick up some lovely overtime covering another skipper smile .

Oh and the buggers that are his bosses have agreed to backdate his paternity as they didnt pay it at the time and have dragged their heels over it - that's our ireland trip next month and then some paid for! Sophia you're not going to be over beginning of feb? I think PIL's arent far from where your moving to (abysmal geography prob v wrong! They're Co. Down?)

I'm still recovering from the bath confused

Was considering aquatots classes with m but think i'll just do regular swimming. My stepdad manages all the council run pools in the area so I have an annual swim pass thingy.

Oh and m has a tiny hernia where her cord stump was. It's looking a bit yucky this morning - should I take it to be looked at or just keep it clean and use a bit of sudocrem and keep an eye on it?hmm

pikz Thu 17-Jan-13 06:46:08

Eurgh he finally went down at midnight and has fed every 2 hours since. It's like being back in week 2. I can't see I'm so tired sad

PetiteRaleuse Thu 17-Jan-13 07:00:44

Good morning. Freezing cold here this morning. Minus 8, but the baker has already delivred the bread, the bin people have already been round and I have just received a cold call from my bank. It's not even 8 am. Whyis everyone so active?

LO had a good night.

I didn't.

Lane what do you mean re increased SIDS and sleeping?

KissysUnderTheMisteltoe Thu 17-Jan-13 07:22:40

I was going to as the same thing petite and lane? Bit worried about LO sleeping for a long time now

Not a bad night here really, LO didn't do her usual feedathon yesterday evening so she woke twice in the night once at 3 and again at 5.30, but then didn't go to sleep again properly after that and is now lying cooing at her mobile after 2 nappy changes in quick succession! I had thought I might get another hours kip but think she might have other ideas smile

kirrinIsland Thu 17-Jan-13 07:34:41

I can't keep my eyes open. N is averaging 6-7 hours sleep a night (not all at once!) which doesn't seem like enough to me? Or is it fine to average over 24 hours at this stage?

I'm just feeding and then hopefully she'll go back down for long enough for me to have a shower. Then it's off to the docs. I'd kill for a nap later but it's not going to happen.

rowingdowntheriver Thu 17-Jan-13 07:38:07

It was quiet last night. For me it wasn't because I was sleeping unfortunately- LO was actually up so much that I don't feel I got any sleep and couldn't even open my eyes during the feed! Managed to get on MN about 4 but was too tired to post. Boo.

Dixie, I feel your pain. Ds1 is 22 months and I think is moving in to tantrumhood. He's generally pretty good but when he's not I have no patience with him as am so tired. We've got a P&T pram with a really crappy rain cover that he can kick off very easily. The other day, when he was in a strop, every time I got it on he would kick it off. It was peeing it down with rain and both the boys and I were getting soaked and I was also late to meet a friend. This went on for a little while before I shouted at him to stop fucking kicking. blush.

GTbaby Thu 17-Jan-13 07:39:26

What is this thing about sleeping long time and SIDS. As LO now sleeps on average 8 hours a night. and I can admit that as I never sleep 8 hours! I have only just stopped the morning panicked "is he breathing checks", usually because he is kicking off demanding his feed.

Wanted to start swimming Classes they r very expensive here. Well at the specialist baby swimming centre they r. 9 lessons are £200 I think. Might look into the council run ones...

Yes kirrin sucks. But it's hard to say no when they hardly ever ask for help. BIL is having day surgery so feel mean saying no.

PetiteRaleuse Thu 17-Jan-13 07:40:10

OK I have googled. According to some sites babies who sleep more deeply are at greater risk of sids. Which makes sense. I'm not going to worry unduly though, we follow all the rules and some of these things are bad luck.

Sophiathesnowfairy Thu 17-Jan-13 07:40:44

mm oh no, what a shame, we are going at the beginning of March. We are County Down yes, where are your in laws? We will not be staying at the PILs this time as SIL has moved back home while she moves house so there won't be any space, so we might have a cottage hope is booked up and we have to stay at Slieve Donard Hotel and Spa looks nice though, some cousins in law confused stayed there at Christmas.

Our timber frame goes up on 15th Feb <hooray emoticon>

Olly has been a very good boy. We have been working on self settling and he seems to have got it. The last two nights he finished his dream feed, went off to bed and woke in the night, I think around 4ish, I left him to grumble and then he went back to sleep. On and off more maybe 30 mins grumble sleep, grumble sleep. If it had ramped up I would have fed him but it didn't.

detective I will be thinking of you today thanks

dixie hugs, gosh I know what it is like, twice I have done newborns and toddlers (2.3 both times). The first time was awful, but I think DS went through his worst toddler bits in the summer when I was pregnant. Not to say we don't have bad days, we do. I have done the arm draggy thing and felt awful. Keep going the best you can it does pass. brew biscuit can you get an hour out? Hairdressers?

Lane81 Thu 17-Jan-13 07:50:45

Sorry everyone, someone (yoko?) posted an Isis link about sleeping longer than 3 hrs and it worried me-presumed everyone had seen it. I had never heard of it either and have been worrying about it, I'm really sorry to worry everyone else too! I agree with PR, but am a worrier!

FuriousRox Thu 17-Jan-13 07:53:22

Attracted by the title, I am going to blunder my way into your quiche. I do hope no one minds?
My credentials: 12 week old ds, born oct 28. EBF, better sleeper than his older sister was at this age (she is now 2.2), but no prodigy on the sleep front. Generally he is smiley and lovely and cuddly, except at roughly 4-5 am when he becomes a small hungry menace.
So can I join please? I won't know all your in-jokes, but if it helps I already hate petiteraleuse for having a 10-hour sleeper! grin

Lane81 Thu 17-Jan-13 07:55:37

Welcome Rox smile <waves>

Dixie, hope you got your cake!

PetiteRaleuse Thu 17-Jan-13 07:55:43

I've just been through some of the more neutral sites, like the NHS and there is nothing about that. Not going to stress. It really is rare

PetiteRaleuse Thu 17-Jan-13 07:57:00

Welcome furious <blows kiss>

StuntNun Thu 17-Jan-13 08:04:57

Welcome Furious, always good to get new blood!

I'm shocked at the price of swimming lessons. I just took J along to the local pool with DS1 and DS2 and he was FREE.

Sophiathesnowfairy Thu 17-Jan-13 08:17:00

lane have not read it and won't either. I am happy that it is ok and normal fir babies to begin sleeping longer at night at the stage. If I googled and read loads I would worry myself silly.

All these peeps going for a swim swim, historically we didn't take babies swimming till after the third set of jabs. IS this no longer the case? I love to swim with the kids I will be right on it if things have changed.

Sophiathesnowfairy Thu 17-Jan-13 08:17:39

Oo welcome furious and pp smile

Catbag Thu 17-Jan-13 08:18:09

Ha ha, morning furious! PR tried to bury news of her LO's 10 hour sleep at the end of the last thread but we all saw it <narrows eyes at petite>

In sleep related news, River slept from 8:30pm to 4:00am. Awesome. Except Saul did not. Co-sleeping meant that I had to try very hard not to disturb her while feeding him, and if anything, I find that more tiring than just sitting up and putting them both on the cushion to feed. Weird. Saul is cooing at me and smiling at me now instead of feeding. Cute little sod grin

TheDetective Thu 17-Jan-13 08:30:39

Woke at 8. Thank god. Coz no one else did!! I'm feeding while DS runs round like a headless chicken getting ready for school.

Will get up once this feed has finished. Looks like someone has other ideas though... hmm but it's tough. We have to pick DP up from the garage after he drops his car off to be looked at for fucking expensive repairs.

Why am I still so tired?! Me no understand!! sad

FuriousRox Thu 17-Jan-13 08:31:35

With dd I worked out the swimming cost £1 per minute!! Slightly spoilt my enjoyment of it, but dd absolutely loved it. There was another place doing classes at half the cost but twice the class size. We didn't wait till all jabs done.

TheDetective Thu 17-Jan-13 08:34:12

You can take them any time now Sophia.

Once the bleeding fecks off!

Passmethecrisps Thu 17-Jan-13 08:42:09

Morning everyone. Welcome furious

We almost had an escapee baby this morning. Usually for about an hour before she actually wakes P makes grunting noises and generally huffs and snuffles. This morning was no different other than one cry out which was followed by normal snuffles so I didn't check. When we got up she wa lying right down the bottom of the Moses basket with her legs hanging over the bottom! She was still asleep so I stood and watched her wiggle herself further and further down. Not sure how we are going to resolve that issue. She might need to go into her cotbed sooner than we thought.

StuntNun Thu 17-Jan-13 08:44:56

I've been getting better sleep lately Detective with J sleeping between feeds and me dozing off in the middle of them but I'm more tired than ever. I think it must be a combination of the cumulative sleep debt plus the body demanding more of the improved sleep please.

Passmethecrisps Thu 17-Jan-13 08:46:32

I agree stunt. I also think we are more forgiving of ourselves when we are barely surviving on 2 hours sleep.

KissysUnderTheMisteltoe Thu 17-Jan-13 08:48:56

I didn't read the link either, I'm a worrier too lane! No need to apologise tho smile petite thanks for checking the NHS website, I will stop worrying now.

Welcome furious

PetiteRaleuse Thu 17-Jan-13 08:54:20

We have to wait til final jabs are done over here AND have a Dr's note to do the baby swim sessions (150€ per year for max of two sessions per week) but we can go any time on our own and under threes go for free...

DD1 loved the pool. Hope LO likes it too, I am quite obsessive about children learning to swim as it is a real skill which might save their life one day.

Just went outside with wet hair to pop sth in the bin and my hair froze. It always amuses me <small things....>

TheDetective Thu 17-Jan-13 08:54:26

Glad to know I'm not alone then stunt!!

pass woke up to the exact same thing yesterday morning!!! How funny! I just laughed at him and took pictures blush.

PetiteRaleuse Thu 17-Jan-13 08:55:59

Ooh, anyone else's baby spit up more when they're due a poo? LO has been trying to do a poo all morning and spit up quite a bit of milk. I remember DD1 doing that too.

katkit1 Thu 17-Jan-13 09:06:06

Hi furious.

TheDetective Thu 17-Jan-13 09:08:00

I'll have to observe that one PR! I hadn't noticed! He poos twice a day sometimes 3? I don't notice a routine to his poo habits yet!

katkit1 Thu 17-Jan-13 09:10:17

Gave up on Moses basket a while ago. Alex is so fat that it tilted to one side when he was in it.

Passmethecrisps Thu 17-Jan-13 09:16:47

katkit where does you LO sleep?

Brockle Thu 17-Jan-13 09:23:50

wow Y slept from 9 until 5 .... but DS2 woke up with a fever at 2 and then talked constantly until 7. So tired and food shopping delayed as stuck at home with said sick child sad It is going to be a long day. hello purple and furious smile

BigPigLittlePig Thu 17-Jan-13 09:24:08

Morning all! Welcome to the newbies

Chunky the baths only happen because I give DH about 4 hours warning, and they usually happen to be timed when he is having a shave so would be in the bathroom anyway. Last nights didn’t go all that smoothly as DH broke the sink hmm, cue much swearing and hitting the tap (surprisingly that didn’t fix it…). The temperature of the water is an issue though, especially at the moment as the air temperature is about minus 5 inside not warm.

Pass little pig frequently wakes having removed all her blankets (including the swaddle one) and with a leg poking out between the bars of her crib, don't know how she does it.

Little pig is having her tongue tie sorted today, am trying not to think about it too much (mainly because it makes me a bit squeamish) but am almost certain I’ll be a blubbering wreck. The poor girl seems to have a cold as well, so is feeding like a trooper –-at least attempting to-- In other news, a good friend is coming to see –-the baby-- me today so looks like I’ll finally be able to wash my hair smile

Good luck today detective thanks

TooManyDicksOnTheDancefloor Thu 17-Jan-13 09:35:24

Morning everyone, welcome furious.

We had the best night we've had in ages. She slept from 10pm-3.45, so why do I still feel so knackered? The 6 week growth spurt seems to have messed up my supply, I now have far too much milk and B is sick after every feed. She literally only needs to feed for 3 mins, any more than that and it all comes back up hmm

Lane81 Thu 17-Jan-13 09:44:53

Thanks everyone, it has made me put my fears into perspective. Have been quietly worrying since I read that!

I'm going to look into swimming lessons today inspired by you all!

MissMummy1 Thu 17-Jan-13 09:46:21

Oh that's a shame sophia. They're in donaghadee. We'll be driving over later in the year but just flying this time.

We need to leave the house in half an hour for baby yoga. Neither of us are dressed and M has decided to have a massive feedathon. This isnt going to end in us being on time is it?confused

katkit1 Thu 17-Jan-13 10:12:37

Hi pass, at night he sleeps in his cot. During the day he cat naps here and there either on me or on his play mat.

StuntNun Thu 17-Jan-13 10:15:00

That's my neck of the woods MM, only 30 miles from here.

J has a huge red patch on his leg around one injection site poor thing. He's asleep now so I'm desperately trying to tidy up my wreck of a house. In between tidying up and MNing I've been watching Magic Mike. Oh yeah, there's some talent there. I have to cover J's eyes during the stripping scenes!

Kyzordz Thu 17-Jan-13 10:34:19

Welcome furious smile as expected last nights sleep was nothing like we usually get! LO spent all night wriggling and being too cold then too warm then trumping and grunting and losing his dummy etc. I'm sure I saw every half hour until his feed at 7am! He hasn't done a poo for over a day and didn't bring up any wind at all last night and seems fussy this morning.

Hope j's leg is ok stunt

CandyPop Thu 17-Jan-13 10:44:19

morning all! Wow what a difference a goodnight sleep makes! when I say goodnight, nothing like some of you guys but she slept from 11 to 3am , straight down after feed then woke at 6.30am .

We're also planning to go to Florida in may! Mil and her partner have a holiday home out there that we can use for free, mil and partner will be coming as well which I'm really happy with as I get on with her really well plus it's free babysitting

We started to use sleeping bag and I do think it makes a big difference in the transfer to cot after feed. Wanted to ask you ladies who use sleeping bags- the guild line for tog 2.5 at temp 18c is vest top and sleeping bag. However I don't think that's warm enough so she also wears a babygrow. She doesn't feel hot when I get her up for a feed.

LO is now nearly 10 weeks old. I still think she sleeps more thn she is awake :/ should I be worried?

PetiteRaleuse Thu 17-Jan-13 10:47:15

She'll sleep more than she's awake for a good while yet. Dd1 is almost two and sleeps at least 12 hours a day including her siesta. Sleep is gooood.

TheDetective Thu 17-Jan-13 10:49:01

Thanks for the good luck ladies! Appt is this afternoon. I don't know what I am even hoping for from this appt. I'm secretly desperately worried about the fact that if it does need repairing (pretty damn likely) that I won't be able to return to work as they won't do it before 6 months and I can't function walking dashing up and down the wards. It's just too uncomfortable. As for sitting on regular chairs. Forget it sad

I have no idea how the NHS will treat me in terms of sick pay if I can't return. I would imagine I'll be fucked over in that I'd be entitled to full pay, but that would not include unsocial enhancements which make up almost a quarter of my pay usually. I cant afford this loss. I just don't have the means to pay the bills AND eat. I can swallow a certain loss, but not a quarter of my wage. If I could I wouldn't if had to have worked til I was almost collapsing at the end of pregnancy when I should have been on annual leave!

Of course if my dad would like to cough up to allow his daughter to stop having sleepless nights of worry then you know, that could be good. hmm Twat

TheDetective Thu 17-Jan-13 10:54:07

Stupid mortgage. angry Stupid gas/electric/food bills. Wish I could find a way to reduce the above. Am yet to find one!!! Am on the cheapest tarrifs for everything! Mortgage isn't excessively high in the grand scheme of things. So why the frig am I haemorrhaging money every month?!!

MadamGazelleIsMyMum Thu 17-Jan-13 10:57:57

Arrived in East Midlands having survived the journey on my own with 2 small people only by driving like an actual maniac and not stopping at all. Then followed the worst night we had in a long time as DS has lulled me into an expection of good nights now, and I had DD in bed with me. Still, on tap babysitters and child entertainers.

Hadn't realised about deep sleeping babies and SIDS. DS sleeps extremely deeply at night, he doesn't move at all and stays that way for hours (not going to say how many for fear of being booted off the quiche).

Also looking forward to taking DS swimming. DD loved it as a baby (still does) and DS enjoys his bath. Although last night during bathtime I did have to ask DD not to pull DS's willy and remind her that his tummy is not a bongo drum.

TheDetective Thu 17-Jan-13 11:01:28

No I think that is normal candy I remember Ds1 slept around 16 hours a day (12 at night) til he was well past the age of 1. I should have written down. I forget! But I think it might have been that way til 18 months! Certainly more than 12 hours anyway!

Oscar is 7 weeks and sleeps 12-13 at night (minus 1.5 hrs for
3 feeds in that time) and 4-6 during the day. It varies. He sleeps more if we go out and it doesn't affect his night time sleep.

I woke him at 9.40 to get DP from the garage. He was tired and ready for a nap by 10.30! He is now asleep!!

MadamGazelleIsMyMum Thu 17-Jan-13 11:01:52

detective hugs. Don't know what to suggest - assume you have done the writing it down thing to see where it goes and whether you can make any savings? If you can't go back as expected, can you talk to your dad again? I do sympathise, the only reason I can afford more than 6 weeks mat leave is because my grandparents gave me the money to cover everything. Great feeling isn't it, as an adult and parent you still cannot afford your life.

TheDetective Thu 17-Jan-13 11:03:18

A hour of wake time is about his limit blush

MadamGazelleIsMyMum Thu 17-Jan-13 11:06:37

candy at 18 degrees, I have DS in vest, babygro and 2.5 tog sleeping bag and he is fine. If anything, he is cold, as his little hands are like ice blocks in the morning.

TheDetective Thu 17-Jan-13 11:10:55

Oh yes madam! It is crazy. I was only slightly worse off when I was 17 and had ds1! Ex worked ft min wage, I did not. We got tax credits and housing benefit. We had a council house.

I learned to drive (with a small amount of financial help from my mum) and went to uni. I moved in to private rent (which was more expensive than my mortgage!) as I decided to work as well as uni to afford a nicer home for DS. I then got a job after uni and bought my house. Yet I do not feel finically any richer! The only thing that is different is that my surroundings are nicer. Small mercies!

Should be grateful for what I have. I try to be every day. But the price of everything rises and my wage seems to bloody shrink!!

I'm very financially aware. Everything is budgeted for. I get the best value I can for everything. I do everything I should do, and still... It just gets eaten! Usually by car/house repairs hmm.

DS is the exact opposite - he doesn't sleep enough. He is 9 weeks and often wakes at 8 or 9am and stays awake until late afternoon or early evening.

TheDetective Thu 17-Jan-13 11:13:36

Wishes I could like the food in Aldi to make shopping bills smaller!

TooManyDicksOnTheDancefloor Thu 17-Jan-13 11:23:42

An hour of wake time is the limit here too detective, Bronwen sleeps 7.20pm-7am, minus an hour for two feeds. In the day she has a 1.5-2hr nap in every 3hr cycle. She's probably asleep for around 18 hours a day. Dd1 was the same too. Hope your appointment goes well thanks

detective Rather than shopping at Aldi I find buying supermarket own brand stuff is a good compromise. I shop at Sainsburys mostly but buy a lot of their basics range. 90% of it is fine and I save quite a lot of money this way.

Kyzordz Thu 17-Jan-13 12:28:59

Just left my sisters in hull after a massive poosplosion! Glad he went but he covered everything including the cat in wee! First bit of poo was very firm and seemed quite difficult for him and at the very end was some globs Of clear jelly - anyone know if this is cause for concern?

E is being awake alot more now but still sleeps alot! He gets put down after his bath usually 8pm at latest, he gets up at 7 at the latest usually and has had an hour out of that time for a feed (yes, he takes ages!) at 10-11 ish.

I've yet to take him swimming, he was 10 weeks on Tuesday and we did try to take him on the Monday but our leisure centre is apparently closed due to fire damage so we'll take him as soon as we can. I didn't even know you could take them for swimming lessons so young!?! Is it something most people do then? I was just going to take him myself once a week, I don't even know if there are any classes at our leisure centre, I'll ask.

Can I ask what you all put them in for swimming? I guess a swim nappy but anything else? What about floaty type things? Or do you just hold them at this age?

StuntNun Thu 17-Jan-13 12:32:56

Thanks Kyz I'm eating my lunch lol! No input here sorry.

PetiteRaleuse Thu 17-Jan-13 12:37:53

I have no idea how to cut down on spending. I'm rubbish at it. I have cut down on food by doing the shopping online though and the dreaded meal planning. Having a kindle has cut down my ridiculous book habit. I read free samples from books and free books. Some are shite but have had some pleasant surprises. Before buying any more dvds have sworn to rewatch all the ones we already have, and making use of catch up TV, though can't switch it to English on catch up for some reason. Hate watching english language films in French.

For baby stuff we drive to Germany where nappies etc are far cheaper - though that's not an option for you. We're taking DD1 out of nursery in two months to save money and as I doubt we'll get subsidised places in France I won't be able to go back to work.

So hoping to freelance translate and write. Is there any way you could put your skills to use writing articles for parenting mags and websites? As you're a midwife there is so much you could ooffer. Oh, and last year I bought a load of crappy magazines like Take a Break and sent in reader contributions. I got 60 quid for an email and photo which took me less than 5 minutes to write and send! And 200 quid for a true story which involved a phone interview and a few pictures. Wasn't anything embarassing either.

PetiteRaleuse Thu 17-Jan-13 12:39:59

kyz ew not sure about the jelly? Could it be mucus from a cold that he has swallowed? I'd possibly get it checked out though.

Sophiathesnowfairy Thu 17-Jan-13 12:42:29

A ha mm I have checked and that is east of Belfast on the coast and we are about an hour directly south of Belfast on the coast.

I heard today that they fruits and veg in Aldi is pretty good hmm I am going to give it go.

PurplePidjin Thu 17-Jan-13 12:57:45

R goes down between 9 and 10 then wakes between 2:30 and 4, feeds for an hour then sleeps for two, half hour feed then maybe another sleep. He sometimes sleeps 11-2 but only in the sling, the rest of the time he's either feeding or wants to play with me (sometimes dp) He gets colicky about 3 then settles about 6:30 to feed/play.

Today he was awake for the day at 6:30, and slept for 30 minutes in the sling 10:40-11:10. He woke up just after i sat down for a rest and to finish a crochet commission. He screamed for 10 minutes on his playmat while i sorted some washing and the dishwasher.

Dp had the dr and has gone back to bed wigh exhaustion. I'm mning and crying. R is dozing at the boob but will wake if i move him even as far as my chest. I've cried more than he has today.

ValiumQueen Thu 17-Jan-13 13:04:28

PP you have been so brave, it is bound to come out sooner or later honey thanks is it anything specific, or a build up of all the crap you have had to endure?

ValiumQueen Thu 17-Jan-13 13:10:09

J had his usual crap night, but the feeds are getting shorter and he is settling easier. Jags today so hope that does not screw things up further.

I had a lovely morning browsing charity shops. Got loads of stuff for the girls and J. All next or designer. Got a delicious Ted Baker dress for DD2 for £1.50. DD1 has a Scottish day at school tomorrow, and got her a kilt, new with tags for £1.99.

GTbaby Thu 17-Jan-13 13:10:27

Kyz pls call Dr as soon as u can.

Hello purple and fix. Welcome to our quiche (glad the new thread title hasn't discouraged new bees) hope u manage to keep up better then me.

Currently sat in mothercare feeding LO. So boring. But pleasantly surprised by facilities.
Here to pay for cotbed. Any recommendations for cheap bedding?

Right burp burp back to shopping.

PetiteRaleuse Thu 17-Jan-13 13:10:40

Normal to cry Purple you've been through an incredibly stressful time the last few months. Cry as much as you need to and there's someone on this thread pretty much any time of day or night to listen. This group was brilliant with me a couple of weeks ago when we went through a tough period. x

MissMummy1 Thu 17-Jan-13 13:12:45

I think a norn irn meet up is in order some time when I'm over then! We dh goes through periods of wanting to move back there. Usually only lasting until we spend more than 24hrs with his mum and I really put my foot down grin

Yoga was a success. M enjoyed it much more this week. Some dosey bint parked half in my space in the carpark though (I'd deliberately parked far over but still in the box to get the carseat in and out). She might now have a dent in her door... angry

PurplePidjin Thu 17-Jan-13 13:20:39

Just everything. Loads of people have offered help, but it never seems to materialise. Just taking R round the park for an hour would be great, not like I'm demanding my house be cleaned, I'm happy to do the skanky stuff myself! I'll even let them use the pushchair just give me a minute to dust the cobwebs off and I'm sure there's a disposable nappy round here somewhere if cloth horrifies them... I can conform, honest wink

Last 3 weeks, PR, just motherhood i was coping with fine hmm

ValiumQueen Thu 17-Jan-13 13:24:50

A Scottish meet-up is in order soon too. Once the snow is passed. How about Ikea Edinburgh? Nice comfy seats for feeding, reasonably priced food pass

MissMummy1 Thu 17-Jan-13 13:27:49

Yes yes Scotland meet up too! I'm trying to convince dh that an ikea trip for meatballs today is essential smile

Sophiathesnowfairy Thu 17-Jan-13 13:33:25

Defo mm

pp you have had loads to cope with and however we wonderful girls think we can take it on you can't be expected to deal with a poorly DH and a newborn like it were a breeze. Let yourself go and have a cry. It is so hurtful when people offer to help and then don't. I would rather em not bother saying anything in the first place than offer and not deliver.

It is quite good in our quiche when you are feeling down [hugs]

Sophiathesnowfairy Thu 17-Jan-13 13:34:00

Sorry thought they have developed a hug emoticon there.

About time they did don't you think?

I have split up with DP. Must be some sort of record, babies only 15 weeks old. Ah well, it is still raw but I know I have done the right thing.

PetiteRaleuse Thu 17-Jan-13 13:46:24

Sorry to hear that garden I hope you are OK.

Passmethecrisps Thu 17-Jan-13 14:10:53

On nom ikea meatballs! Any excuse for meatballs.

I would love a wee meet up.

P has taken to hanging on to my hair when I am carrying her around. Tight grip for a wee girl!

ValiumQueen Thu 17-Jan-13 14:13:14

Oh bugger garden I do hope you are ok x big hugs x

PP as above, babies are hard enough to manage without ill partners too x you have had two major life changing things in such a short amount of time.

Baby clinic is bursting at the sodding seams. Some bloody big babies too, like at least twelve years old! And coughing and spluttering. Yuck.

We've got a drs appt booked in an hour for this thrush. Any ideas what I need to be getting? I want something else for my nips that you don't have to wash off and I've read about a gel for their mouth?

Sophiathesnowfairy Thu 17-Jan-13 14:46:45

garden are you sure? Is it really it? Are you ok?

PurplePidjin Thu 17-Jan-13 14:50:01

<<hug>> brew and [cake] Garden. Have i missed the backstory, or would you like to spill? I'm happy to call him swear words for you if you like?

God missed a lot of posts there

purple (((hugs)))

Welcome furious

Shit garden are you ok? What's happened? (((Hugs)))

ValiumQueen Thu 17-Jan-13 14:55:27

I have had to go to get DD1 from school. Need to go back to get the jags. Not sure they can accommodate. Clinic if from 2 to 3.15 and I saw countless babies come in behind me and get seen, and yes, they were to get jags too. This happened last time. Beginning to see a pattern. I was there before the clinic started ffs!

Kyzordz Thu 17-Jan-13 15:11:52

Rang docs about clear stuff, they said to ring back and make a same day appointment if I see any more but it could be mucus he's swallowed or saliva (he is chewing things and drooling, past couple of days to a week). Am hoping it's nothing to Worry about.

Sorry to read that * garden* is it definitely over? sad

pikz Thu 17-Jan-13 15:18:08

Hugs PP and hugs to garden. I am so sorry to hear about both situations.

Am having a crap day currently sat in doc waiting room. Fingers crossed for miracle cure to LO being so poorly.

blonderthanred Thu 17-Jan-13 15:27:34

Good luck with the tongue tie procedure BP. Hope LP can feed better after. My DS wouldn't take the breast straight after (as they are meant to) but did later on so don't panic if that happens (as I did).

Apple just don't buy supermarket own brand beefburgers!

pp sorry you are having such a tough time. I guess sometimes you have to be specific about the help you need even though it doesn't feel nice to have to ask. I hope you get some help soon.

garden I am very sorry to hear about your DP. I hope you have some support in place. It is a very trying time for all of us in our relationships let alone with 2 babies.

I want to live in Scotland and come to a Scottish meet up. All the Scottish people on here sound such fun.

Passmethecrisps Thu 17-Jan-13 15:40:43

Awful cross post - banging on about bloody meatballs

garden I am so sorry. I M sure whatever decision you have taken is for the best but I am sure you are caught in a total mess if emotion - I know I would be.

pp there is never a shortage of tears on here and your are completely understandable. I wonder if you are near one of us? I would help if I could.

Passmethecrisps Thu 17-Jan-13 15:42:03

blonder get yourself on a train! You can be an honorary jock!

Passmethecrisps Thu 17-Jan-13 15:54:33

Right! Have just sorted out P's room, cleared te cotbed and charged the baby monitor. As of tomorrow p is havig her naps in her own room. I will start by putting her down in the Moses basket in the cot then work towards her being in the cotbed itself. DH is very keen on this primarily because he spent ages researching a lovely mattress for her cotbed but she is currently sleeping on the really thin foam thing which came wih the cheapo basket.

I have also hunted out a sleeping bag so will start her using that for her 7pm-10:30 sleeps. Our previous attempt at not swaddling was a bit of a disaster.

PurplePidjin Thu 17-Jan-13 16:02:17

I'm about as far from Scotland as you can be! Down near Southampton - it'd be quicker to get to Paris from here grin always up for coffee and cake with folk, though

MadamGazelleIsMyMum Thu 17-Jan-13 16:07:15

Me too purple, am in Devon!

garden hope you are ok. Feel free to vent, or not, here. Have wine brew thanks as appropriate. Pity there isn't a cake or gin emoticon.

Sophiathesnowfairy Thu 17-Jan-13 16:08:18

I think the emoticons need updating.

ChunkyChicken Thu 17-Jan-13 16:19:39

Still catching up, but so far...

Dixie a few threads ago I wrote how I lost it with DD. I still have frequent moments of madness at her. Yesterday, for example, I'll driving, she demanded her dummy, I say no, we're nearly home (think literally 4-5mins) she screams "me want my dummy" I scream "I want you to shut up" & turn the radio on to cover the whining.blush Not my finest hour!! I'm trying to give her more structure and get out every morning so I can she can let off steam. I don't have her in childcare (my DH & dsis did my childcare for us on my 3 days working) so I literally never get a break, & with DH buggering going off to hockey for hrs on end on Sat, I find things get to me. So the routine with help us both I hope.

Took DS into bed for feeds last night, so fed laying down because it was too cold out of bed, and he snacked all night, I think!!! Them DD wanted a cuddle. It was like the teddies - there were 4 in the bed, & the little one said...

blonderthanred Thu 17-Jan-13 16:20:59

Wow an honorary Jock! I am on that train.

Although Paris with Purple sounds fun too...

DonnaDoon Thu 17-Jan-13 16:24:18

envy I dont live nowhere near Scotland and Garden Sorry to hear your news x

PetiteRaleuse Thu 17-Jan-13 16:30:28

Chunky andDixie sounds familiar. DD1 had a temper tantrum earlier and it was all I could do to stop myself from joining in. It's hard having two so young but the good moments are really good. I love one sitting on one knee feeding and the other coming up and snugling on the other knee. Or when DD1 just decides to go and give kisses to LO.

Makes up fir stroppiness and competitive screaming.

CandyPop Thu 17-Jan-13 16:32:08

garden so sorry to hear. Hope you are ok and getting plenty of RL support. You always have us here too if you need to talk.

Jealous of the northern met up!!!

LO developed cradle cap since last week. The last couple of days it's begun to smell ... Like stinky cheese eewwwww ...... The paediatrician said it was ok just keep it moisturised but that's what I have been doing . I asked him should it smell, and he said not really?!?! Wtf???!! So I asked is it infected, and he said no as its not red and then didnt really answer why it smells?! . I've bought some detronox (sp?!) so hopefully that will clear it . Currently she's sleeping on me and its seriously stinky!!! It stings my nostrils !! Lol

KissysUnderTheMisteltoe Thu 17-Jan-13 16:41:25

I'm pretty far away from scotland too - west sussex, not that far from u purple. Sorry to hear you're having a tough time. Perhaps you should ask one of the people who offered help, they might be waiting for you to ask?

Oh no garden I'm so sorry to hear that. Hope you're ok

ChunkyChicken Thu 17-Jan-13 16:46:08

Ewwwwww candy that sounds yuck. Poor you DD.

Garden oh my. Words fail me. Hope you're as ok as you can be. Hugs.

pp welcome & hugs. I can't imagine how you must feel, although can empathise with the disastrous house state & feeling like it needs to be done. I would recommend just doing the absolute necessary/minimum and gradually you'll get on top of it. I've given myself a routine at the same time as I did one for my 2.8yo DD. Essentially I will just do 15-30mins of stuff whilst both dc nap & I decided what things to do each day, like clean loo on Monday, dust on Thursday etc. Oh and, if people have offered to help, be a bit of a bitch assertive and phone them saying specifics - "can you come & hold baby OR do some washing up for me for an hr tomorrow please?". Final thing - have you done the sling thing? Try a sling library to find one you like.

Catbag Thu 17-Jan-13 16:57:20

Shit garden, I am so sorry to hear that. I can empathise with the stress of looking after two babies but you have had a few problems to contend with that I have not, and I can only imagine how that must have worn you both down. Please feel free to talk as much or as little as you need to here. You are a much loved piece of the quiche and we will support you as much as we possibly can x

kirrinIsland Thu 17-Jan-13 16:59:22

So sorry garden - we are here if you need us.

PP I'm not surprised you're in tears - you have a lot to deal with.

Jabs went ok - few tears but she seems fine now.

I to couldn't be further from Scotland, well not without crossing water anyway!

Catbag Thu 17-Jan-13 17:01:10

I am much green about these various discussed quiche meet-ups. While I am closer to Scotland than Paris, it is still three hours to Edinburgh from here sad Is there no Yorkshire/ County Durham person here present?! <<aaaaaaalllooooonnnnnneeee emoticon>>

capedcrusader25 Thu 17-Jan-13 17:02:57

Sorry to hear that garden thanks
kyz it's always good to get checked out, O suffered with constipation badly in her first few weeks. She didn't actually pass any hard stools, just small amounts of mucus like jelly. This was apparently the stuff that slipped past the hard poo that was stuck, it's a less common symptom. Some water each day, bicycle movements and tummy massaging has helped massively and she now has a regular (massive) poo each day. Fingers crossed its nothing too serious for you.

Catbag Thu 17-Jan-13 17:04:41

Hey caped <waves> Long time, no speak! Hope you and LO are well smile

ValiumQueen Thu 17-Jan-13 17:06:28

Do you realise we have horsey in our quiche. Right on trend then!

PetiteRaleuse Thu 17-Jan-13 17:08:57

I'm a long way from everyone sad

ValiumQueen Thu 17-Jan-13 17:09:40

Jabs went ok here too. Got there with a minute to spare and one receptionist was clearly going to jump down my throat, when the other one stepped in. I was in to see the nurse before the minute elapsed. Might try that next time.

ValiumQueen Thu 17-Jan-13 17:11:04

You are PR but not as far away as pasties

ValiumQueen Thu 17-Jan-13 17:11:58

Is everyone ready for the snow?

StuntNun Thu 17-Jan-13 17:21:50

Sorry to hear your woes Garden and Purple. If it would help to talk about it on here then please do so. It will be hard for you two to look after yourselves, I hope you can find some time to unwind and relax a bit.

horseylady Thu 17-Jan-13 17:25:44

Vq lol

Yes ready for snow. Well as well as you can be. I drive a 4x4 anyway so it's ok. I've got tubs to fill up for all the animals as the taps are frozen so it's taking water from home daily sad bit painful but never mind.

Garden - so sorry!!

Brockle Thu 17-Jan-13 17:31:54

can we have nationwide ikea meet-ups? I suggest warrington for the NW as it is ten mins from me

so sorry to hear what a hard time u are having garden . I m sending hugs xx is there any going back?

I used dentinox caped and it did work.

if it is any consolation catbag I wish I was yorkshire way as I come from hull. smile

doctors receptionists scare me VQ and they know it

currently watching history of trains with ill DS2. He likes trains aNd I am now an expert. oh and Dan Snow is quite nice toogrin

TooManyDicksOnTheDancefloor Thu 17-Jan-13 17:36:35

I'm so sorry garden, I hope you've got people around you looking after you.

I'm from Leeds catbag <waves>
It's snowing here VQ, bloody freezing!

Oh oh oh catbag I'm in Yorkshire! grin

Oooh ikea, I have two within doable distances and Warrington a bit further away

PurplePidjin Thu 17-Jan-13 17:40:04

Most of the offers are dp's running club buddies, my friends all work/have young kids. Hard to pin down!

Chicken stretchy, mei tai or wrap? I'm hopefully going to be arranging for there to be a sling meet and nappycino with library at my local Sure Start centre; just need to confer with a couple of local experts and get applications in for grants smile

blonderthanred Thu 17-Jan-13 17:47:31

Have you had some sleep VQ? You're on fire.

I used to live in Leeds & Manchester. So I must be eligible for those! I need a several trip to Ikea.

PetiteRaleuse Thu 17-Jan-13 17:54:57

There's an Ikea in Metz... Anyone? Thought not grin

Clarella Thu 17-Jan-13 17:57:39

<hugs> pidj -was the Dr any help? feels like you need a home help for a bit but I don't know how they are organised.

so sorry to hear that garden. <hugs>

catbag n co - gateshead ikea??!! I'm in newcastle. parents in stirling but are moving to York this year so no more free hols in Scotland sad

I have hot ribena for blood now but it's working, cold is going...

Clarella Thu 17-Jan-13 18:00:18

I worked at a school north of the river which looked over onto the gateshead ikea. it's a rough area. a girl was enrolled in nursery - her name; Ikea confused grin we also has a shakira, terine and a Mercedes.

Sophiathesnowfairy Thu 17-Jan-13 18:14:04

Rofl clarella do you think that was where she was conceived?

StuntNun Thu 17-Jan-13 18:19:21

I'll be over in Manchester at half term (week commencing 18 February) so I could make a Warrington Ikea meet then.

J has been asleep most of the day following his vaccinations yesterday.
I'm not sure whether it's related, did anyone else find this? His leg doesn't look as sore now. He was supposed to have his BCG tomorrow but I don't want him to have it so young. My older boys both had theirs this year and it took months to heal up, I don't really want to put J through that unnecessarily. There are only 30 cases of TB a year in NI so it's not exactly high risk for him.

Lane81 Thu 17-Jan-13 18:21:42

Stupid fucking cat just stole sausages from kitchen side when back was turned. So difficult to organise dinner, only to have it stolen. Argh! angry He's driving me crazy at the moment, he's not coping well with baby, but that's not going to win him any favours.

ValiumQueen Thu 17-Jan-13 18:23:41

blonder very little sleep, but I did have a shag earlier in the week. I think my charity shop finds have done me more good though. How is the little fella doing now?

Catbag Thu 17-Jan-13 18:29:20

Yey for Yorkshire folk! I believe the Ikea in Gateshead would be my closest. It takes me about an hour to get into the centre of Newcastle from here. I am an Ikea virgin blush

Just found out that the Tour de France is going to be coming past my house in 2014 smile

Catbag Thu 17-Jan-13 18:30:25

Oh and grin at VQ for the horsey quiche

ValiumQueen Thu 17-Jan-13 18:32:23

Dare I say it, I am beginning to enjoy feeding J. With his jags today he may be challenging for a while, but with his increasing smiles and gurgles, and the fact that my supply seems to be matching his needs, and his cough is gone, it is, dare I say it, getting easier too. I have also stopped looking at the clock at night as I was just getting depressed. He will sleep through eventually. Hopefully before I draw my pension.

StuntNun Thu 17-Jan-13 18:37:43

I know we did baby names already back in the ante-natal threads but my James seems to be becoming a Jim! When I was pregnant it seemed impossible to call a baby Jim since Jim is reserved for adults in my head for some reason. Should I resist and keep calling him James when Jim seems to be creeping in? I asked my mate Jim what his mum called him and he said she only ever calls him James so there's a precedent.

ValiumQueen Thu 17-Jan-13 18:38:23

cat an Ikea virgin? Wow! You have to try the meatballs, and on the way out have a hot dog and ice cream. They have varying offers if you have their family card, like free coffee weekdays etc. The breakfasts are very good value too. They sell other stuff apart from food. My house is an Ikea shrine.

ValiumQueen Thu 17-Jan-13 18:40:24

stunt call him whatever you want, except flower. Flower is unlikely to go down too well.

BigPigLittlePig Thu 17-Jan-13 18:41:14

catbag shock - that's one cherry that needs to be popped!

I'm all the way down in Somerset, a long way from all you lot oop north. Probably don't need an excuse to go to Ikea to be fair bought half the shop last time

Little pigs tongue tie has been snipped - they took her in another room to do it but still heard the screams sad. She seems to be feed a little better, although boobs still sore from the recent mauling so I'll give it a few days.

Lane I once cooked a pizza to take with me to work on a night shift. I left it to cool on the worktop and our fleabag cat ate all the topping, cheese, tomato, veg, the lot. Just left me the base.

Sorry to hear some of you are having rough times thanks

ValiumQueen Thu 17-Jan-13 18:41:29

Jacob is Baby Geepa, or Jackabob.

Catbag Thu 17-Jan-13 18:42:33

I am a life-long vegetarian. No meatballs will be had here smile

Catbag Thu 17-Jan-13 18:44:58

My babies are varyingly Rivron or Rivronimous Bosch and Dino-saul grin

Sophiathesnowfairy Thu 17-Jan-13 18:48:01

Olly was rubbish for the first week after having his jabs, he dropped his feeds down, slept a lot, was snotty and generally cross. sad might have been a coincidence.

ValiumQueen Thu 17-Jan-13 18:48:10

Dino is better than Aah-Saul

I am considering going veggie after all the news stories.

Catbag Thu 17-Jan-13 18:50:12

grin VQ!

ValiumQueen Thu 17-Jan-13 18:51:17

J was not too bad after first set. He is feeling very sorry for himself now, after being all chirpy earlier. I think we will have an early night and calpol.

blonderthanred Thu 17-Jan-13 19:04:08

Hurray for shag VQ. Hope you have a settled night, we gave L calpol after the first jabs and he slept really well.

Had ultrasound for clicky hip but all clear. No weigh ins this week but he looks chubbier. He's a bit mucousy from formula I think or could be mini cold - keeps waking himself (and me) up with snorting. Still a bit grumpier than usual but better since he started filling nappies again.

My sister is having a onesie party on Sat, wish I had joined the weight loss gang as I currently fill mine out a bit too well (opposite of L). I only have a onesie because she bought me one for Christmas... Funny that.

MadamGazelleIsMyMum Thu 17-Jan-13 19:12:04

Funny how their names sort of evolve, isn't it? DD is Evie but I always call her Evie-monster or just monster. DS is Seth and at the moment is Seth-a-licious quite a lot but I find that a bit boak-y as I am saying it, so need something else. I quite fancy the beast, think it would be a good match for monster.

Sophiathesnowfairy Thu 17-Jan-13 19:17:49

I like Rivron catsmile it sounds quite cool.

Oliver is generally CheeriO or Boris. Perhaps we could call him OreO.

There are no Ikea's near me. I think I am halfway between some London one and Southampton and both are about 45 mins away. sad

DH has offered to do the dream feed so I am off to bed shortly, just can't be arsed to move off the sofa.

horseylady Thu 17-Jan-13 19:18:09

Why vq? Horsemeat is quite lean apparently. I can't imagine why people don't agree with farmed horse meat. Ireland has a huge issue with horses at the moment so it's unsurprising many are going for meat. They were planning on a mass cull. I guess entering the food chain gives them a purpose. There's no risk to human health eating horse. The issue is the ingredient list not being true!

Dunno never really eaten meat. I really don't like it.

blonderthanred Thu 17-Jan-13 19:23:19

We call L Lawrence Borrence pudding and pie . Is that boaky? I call him all sorts of cutesy names too, mostly revolving around a central concept of how much of a bean he is, although sometimes introducing the side-issue of his being a poppet, or the notion that he is in fact a little bird. Or a debate on whether his chops are more milky or cheeky.

Shall I stop now?

Catbag Thu 17-Jan-13 19:26:32

Lol blonder Sounds like you have been giving it lots of thought!

Passmethecrisps Thu 17-Jan-13 19:31:06

Penelope is Miss Penelope-PooPoo or penster. My mum calls her sweet p.

Do you chaps give calpol after jags even without a fever? We caved and gave it to her because she was really out of sorts but no actual fever.

Poor littlepig. Wonder how long it hurts for?

Sorry but I was massively lolling at cats stealing dinner. Our kitty is thankfully very polite. She is hugely interested in P's milk though and would love a taste. I can sometimes see her eyeing up the bottles.

Catbag Thu 17-Jan-13 19:33:40

As someone who has never eaten meat, I find it odd that people make a distinction with the animals that they eat. IMO If you are going to eat a sheep, then you might as well eat horse, cat, parrot, whatever. DH is half Australian and refuses to eat kangaroo, in his words, 'cos it's tight'. Quite happily munches his way through pigs, prawns etc hmm

StuntNun Thu 17-Jan-13 19:36:31

Did anyone see the MN thread about someone's cat bringing home an entire cooked Christmas ham?

James is variously called Jamesie, Jim, Jimjam, Chubster, Chubs and occasionally Please stop crying. DS1 got called Stinky Sausage and DS2 is Dee so we're not great at the whole nickname thing. DH calls me Pie or Roog or Rooglet!

Passmethecrisps Thu 17-Jan-13 19:37:05

I've eaten donkey. Didn't realise it was donkey at the time but it was tasty. Given that I was on an expedition with school kids who were in full charge of the cooking (think porridge oats and water - just that. I lay in my tent one morning listening to them yelling at each other about portions. I heard one lovely girl saying "oy! Leave that alone - that's Miss Passme's porridge!" I selflessly allowed them to share my breakfast) I accepted eeyor gratefully.

Thinking about it I call P lots of things. I got a but worried recently that she might not know her own name.

StuntNun Thu 17-Jan-13 19:38:55

Oh and the dog is either Bad Dog, Doglet or DMD (dog of mass destruction --due to eating a sofa one time--). The cat gets called Catlet or Fuzzbutt.

Passmethecrisps Thu 17-Jan-13 19:42:21

Ha! stunt a doglet is my word for very tiny dogs. I used it in Nice once when trying to tell DH that two very well to do ladies had ordered ice cream for their dogs to eat off the table from the proper bowls

I also invented ponetta. A ponetta is a very small horse. Like smaller than a Shetland pony. horsey will know what I am talking about.

I tried being a veggie as a child. Massive chopped-pork stealing fail.

blonderthanred Thu 17-Jan-13 19:43:39

Cat there is a very high level of conversation in this household.

Pass I gave Calpol for the same reason, did dither but it certainly seemed to help him.

I don't have a problem eating most meats if labelled correctly but I'd struggle with dog or cat tbh. I've eaten horse in France and kangaroo in Aus tho. And goat in Rwanda!

horseylady Thu 17-Jan-13 19:53:04

Stunt - my other cat (the one which actually leaves the house) bought home an entire roast chicken. He's also bought home several burgers and sausages in BBQ season.

Farrabella or miniture horse pass?

Cat - I agree.

ValiumQueen Thu 17-Jan-13 19:56:16

horsey it was not the horse, it was the incorrectness of it all. If they allow incorrect ingredients, they would probably be lax on all the other safety checks.

J is screaming full pelt inbetween snoozes. Unable to give calpol yet due to screams. Poor little bugger.

PurplePidjin Thu 17-Jan-13 19:57:09

R is Mowgli-Frog, froggy dude or little dude. He's a bit of a skinny thing!

I thought meat was what our New Forest ponies are for, it amuses me that people are so up in arms about eating Flicka! Obviously, mislabelling is a big (separate) issue

Sophia, sounds like we're equal distances from Southampton, although I'm South...

ValiumQueen Thu 17-Jan-13 19:58:25

I would happily eat horsemeat and quite fancy trying cats paws.

horseylady Thu 17-Jan-13 20:00:35

Yes mislabelling is the issue. So apply to all supermarket products and buy locally smile

ValiumQueen Thu 17-Jan-13 20:01:13

Billie has no idea what her real name is. Also called Boo. Her name is Wilhelmina. She completely ignores it, as do I when the dr shouts it.

TooManyDicksOnTheDancefloor Thu 17-Jan-13 20:02:10

I call my dogs 'doglets' too stunt, and they are doglets pass, they're chihuahuas!

Bronwen gets called Bronnie, Bronners, Wennie and Splodge. Dd1 is princess squishy.

Sophiathesnowfairy Thu 17-Jan-13 20:05:11

I'm sort of north east pp am in Berkshire. I have a friend in Winchester who I go to see and it takes around 45 mins.

Can hear DH raiding the biscuit tin in the kitchen below me smile

pass I am going the whole hog for the next jabs, Calpol preevent. When I lived in Rugby they used to tell people todo that and I never did but O struggled so much last time i am prepping him in advance.

horseylady Thu 17-Jan-13 20:05:41

I know of a slightly nutty someone who bought a horse which was farmed for meat. She tried to make it into a ridden horse but it died quite young. Had numerous problems. It was bred to eat, not ride.

New forest ponies often end up sold for meat. Most horses which go through local sales go for meat. Not pets. A lot of Irish horses are going the same way. Very well bred ones too. And people are rescuing them. Thus not solving the out of control breeding.

I'm about 30 mind from Ikea In Southampton smile South way.

I call Johnathan, Johan and DP calls him weast (wee beast)

Sophiathesnowfairy Thu 17-Jan-13 20:07:24

Both my DDs will not allow their names to be shortened, Matilda and Violet it is then.

Occasionally William is Wee Willie, most unfortunate grin

pikz Thu 17-Jan-13 20:21:32

LO gets called Cookie Monster, tinker, cookie, piccalilli and mini me (as he is a mini version of his dad)

Pixie is my nickname or tink.

LO now sleeping after a bad night and day. He now has nyostian for thrush and Capol and saline spray for his horrible cold. Hoping from now we slowly make progress back to my happy smiley boy. Also would be nice to not cry through my next postnatal session.

pikz Thu 17-Jan-13 20:22:15

I think I live right by Sophia so am 45mins from Southampton ikea

Catbag Thu 17-Jan-13 20:23:20

sophia I am from Rugby! Well, Dunchurch actually, but I moved into Rugby when I left home. I moved up here with DCs 1&2's father when I was 20 and became an honorary Northerner. Well, only as far as I am concerned. Up here you cannot consider yourself a proper Yorkshire person unless you can trace your lineage back forty generations in the same Dale. My accent sort of gives me away as a dirty southerner grin

PetiteRaleuse Thu 17-Jan-13 20:25:19

I don't have a problem with horsemeat and have eaten it here in France, though choose not to buy it. Have eaten donkey sausage too, it was meh.

I do have a problem with 100% beef burgers being marketed as such when they contain horse meat, pig meat or anything else. People have the right to know what they are eating.

LO is an Emily and we call her Mimi, which also means cutey in French <vomit emoticon> grin

Hope you all have OK nights. Purple garden I hope you are both OK.

I'm in bed singing Skidamarink to DD1. Youtube really is a mine of singing ideas. If any of you fancy learning a new song which will guarantee to amuse you and any toddlers or small children try The Duck Song. Cracked me up..

I see there are no takers for a meet up at Metz Ikea. Am v disappointed at your lack of willingness to go the extra mile fora meet up. Tsk.

Night all smile

PetiteRaleuse Thu 17-Jan-13 20:27:45

Pikz saline drops or spray really do help and also can help stop viruses from taking hold and developîg into shite like the B word.

Catbag Thu 17-Jan-13 20:30:10

Forgot about my other children re nicknames and shortenings- DS has been Frog since he was 3 days old (he is now 13), DD1 was known as Bear, DD2 was Fairy as she was so small, but since shooting up is now Tazbag. DD3 is the only one without a moniker, but she prefers her full name. Just Magdalena it is then!

daisychain76 Thu 17-Jan-13 20:30:28

Garden hope things get easier. Hope getting the tt snipped helps BP. I was cynical but it made a huge difference too H. Went to a post natal group with4 other babies the same sort of age this week and don‘t thiink you could‘ve picked him out as the premmie.

l am up for Warrinton Ikea if l can. persuade dh to drive. Central Manchester would be a lot easier on public transport, but l will go a long way for meatballs [drools a bit at the thought]

Just arranged to get H christened next month. Don‘t want a traditional gownn or anything too OTT but would like something a bit special but not too pricey. Any ideas welcome?!

Catbag Thu 17-Jan-13 20:31:41

Petite If funds allowed, I'd be there like a shot grin

PurplePidjin Thu 17-Jan-13 20:32:25

Dp was in Wexham Park as the nearest hospital - we'd been staying with the in laws smile

Sounds like we've enough for a coffee in Southampton sometime, although maybe Marks at Hedge End would make more logistical sense?

Brockle Thu 17-Jan-13 20:41:19

Y doesn't have a nickname as Yousef is a bit difficult to shorten although for some reason I call him little roo. not sure why. DS1 has the best nicknames: mahmood has become moody, moods or moodster. Zakarya is the usual Zak.

warrington IKEA was in jest really. I can do central Manchester if needs be.

its snowinggrin

Brockle Thu 17-Jan-13 20:42:45

PR I will check if Metz is on my bus route.........

blonderthanred Thu 17-Jan-13 20:46:41

Petite (or anyone else), I am not sure about saline drops, what to get. I have saline for my eyes, is it the same stuff? Not thinking I would use that but I haven't seen specific baby saline! I am probably being dim but I am not sure what to get and L is getting a bit snuffly. Really don't want him to get ill.

horseylady Thu 17-Jan-13 20:47:07

Daisy - ds is being christened too. He's got a gorgeous tweed suit but not sure if he needs a proper christening suit??!!

ChunkyChicken Thu 17-Jan-13 20:53:24

Anyone darhhhnn saffff apart from me, dh & glenda?? South East in particular. Lakeside IKEA??!!

DD (Eleanor) is Nelly-bum, Squidgy-bum, pickle & munchkin and will also come running if DH whistles.

DS is mainly snausage or little man. But occassionally gets Greedy chops, Chubby chops and the Chubmeister. Perhaps even Mr Chubtastic, Master Chubs.... are you sensing a theme here? grin

Oh, and in minor news... Greedy chops took a bottle!! Only gave him 2oz from a medela bottle with a basic teat, but he didn't look too confused or spit it out. He did however latch on me for seconds & then promptly "posseted" that word doesn't do the torrential flood of excess milk from his gob justice all over the shop specifically me, his clothes, Bib & muslin.

Sophiathesnowfairy Thu 17-Jan-13 20:57:16

Oo pp I had DS1 at Wexham. Went to Frimley Park for DD2

Dunchurch is the posh end catbag! Is nice village. I lived on a new estate right on the M6 junction, Coton Park, was ok, I made some good friends I still have in Rugby.

daisychain76 Thu 17-Jan-13 20:58:12

Horsey that sounds really cute. l don‘t think tg

blonderthanred Thu 17-Jan-13 21:01:42

I'm South Chunky. I actually am, not trying to muscle in.

NotSoNervous Thu 17-Jan-13 21:07:04

Oh garden so sorry sad hope your okay and have lots of RL support. You know we're all here if you need to vent or not, take care of yourself

catbag I'm not to far from rugby

blonde were using saline drops and there made by calpol, I think they were about £3 from asda

My DD is 13w tomorrow and this last week has been really grumpy, she only has about 2 or 3 20min cat naps each day and today twice she has just let out piercing screams and crys, any ideas? Or am I just over thinking

We have a lot of snow here! It's only ment to get worse so ill be staying in until its gone, I don't like driving in it anyway and don't want to with LO in the car

horsey were getting Dd christened and I want a unisex gown so if we're lucky enough to have more they can all wear it and hopefully it can be a kind of heirloom to be passed down

Evilwater Thu 17-Jan-13 21:07:17

Hi all, sorry for not posting for a while.
Things are ok, with P. it could one way or another, but P is trying his best.

N still hates to go to sleep, if he had his way he would be up all day and night.
Gotta go,

Elizadoesdolittle Thu 17-Jan-13 21:08:54

What a day I've had. Last night E vomited up a lot of brown blood, twice. Went to HV to get her weighed. She finally weighs over her birth weight which is some good news but she's still not putting on enough. It was straight from clinic to drs to investigate the brown vomit. He couldn't find any reason for it so it we then went up to the walk in young persons urgent care unit at the hospital. After spending a couple of hours up there and E being thoroughly investigated they said she's perfectly healthy. Which I guess is great news but why then was she sicking up brown blood! It's a mystery.

HV is coming over tomorrow to observe me feeding E. This cold she has isn't making it easy for her to feed so I'm not expecting that to go well! And I am back to the peads on 30th jan for another check up. And I have to get her weighed once a week.

garden shit, that's awful. As others have said vent here as often as you feel the need too. And purple what an awful thing to happen. Hugs to you both.

I haven't read through all the thread today, will catch up now.

daisychain76 Thu 17-Jan-13 21:10:33

Try again! Don‘t think there‘s any need for a special suit really. l might try and find a cute waistcoat or something, if they make them for 4 month olds!

Blonder l just asked for saline drops for LO at pharmacy, but then my dr told me they weren‘t recommended cos could cause choking? Having said that, she is the dr who made me go back twice to test H‘s eyes were following things cos she forgot to work to his corrected age.

daisychain76 Thu 17-Jan-13 21:13:53

X post with eliza, what a rotten day. Glad they found E was fine, so hopefully it won‘t happen again.

Passmethecrisps Thu 17-Jan-13 21:24:53

daisy just buy them in a supermarket. I got
Mine in sainsbury's in the baby isle.

eliza that sounds like a rubbish day

KissysUnderTheMisteltoe Thu 17-Jan-13 21:30:33

I'm a southerner chunky! Lakeside or Croydon ikeas are closest to me.

I call my LO froglet sometimes, cos she looked like a little frog all curled up on DPs chest when she was tiny

Another fan of the duck song here petite! Honey bear is a good one too

Hope your LO is ok Eliza x

Evilwater Thu 17-Jan-13 21:35:08

Is it wrong for me to look for a reason to leave P? Part of me is itching for a reason, the other is hoping we can stay together.

N really hates to sleep, it's so difficult. I have to swaddle him and rock him till he goes to sleep even during the day and then he only sleeps for 30 mins. Sometimes it works, and like tonight most times it doesn't work. But I don't know what else to do. All the crying isn't helping matters, but it makes the difficult points stand out.

The boiler is acting up, P tried to see where the problem is and has disconnected a hose. It still has a flashing light, but it does not annoy him. He wants me to call it in as emergency, but it's still giving us hot water and heating. Men.........
Here's hoping to catch up on the thread.

Catbag Thu 17-Jan-13 21:39:28

sophia Well, Dunchurch may be the posh end, but that's my parents' house so doesn't count, lol. I lived just off Lower Hillmorton Road for a bit, and then in one of those terraced boxes in a road just off Clifton Road when my son was born. Finally ended up in a council house in Brownsover (yuck) for 7 months while we saved to move to Yorkshire. I don't think I know Coton Park- is it up past Brownsover, that way? I haven't been back since 2005, and only visited friends occasionally before that. Probably wouldn't recognise the place now. My sister said that they have been developing madly around what was the outer border.

Elizadoesdolittle Thu 17-Jan-13 21:39:51

chunky and blonder I'm south too. Lakeside is really easy for me to get too, assuming the dartford tunnel is flowing nicely!

Re nicknames DD1 tends to be called monster or noise machine when we are referring to her in conversation. She used to be called kiwi as she was conceived in NZ -too much info- I quite like that nickname, might start it up again.

DD2 hasn't done so well. She's either goblin or salacious b crumb. Quite a lengthy nickname! For the non Star Wars geeks amongst you (and I suspect that's most of you) s b crumb is the funny rat type thing that sits at the feet of jabba the hut! I think DH was inadvertently saying I'm like jabba the hut. Just as well I have a good sense of humour. I'm assuming he was joking smile

ValiumQueen Thu 17-Jan-13 21:45:27

evil never mess with a boiler. I would call it in personally, and disconnecting a hose on a boiler is as good a reason as any to leave a man. Seriously though, get the boiler checked, and hope you soon feel more settled with your partner x

J seems a bit brighter. Gosh the boy can scream!

Evilwater Thu 17-Jan-13 21:47:59

Oh garden, huge hugs.

I live in devon, and would love a meet up. Hoping there are no more poorly babies.

I hope that all our babies are very tostie and warm in this cold weather.

Manchester Ikea is good for me!!

M keeps being called Merry Moo by me and DH. Mum tells me off though as she thinks it's a cruel name confused think she thinks we're calling her a cow grin

It's snowing here too. DH has to drive over t'moors to work so not sure how that'll work tomorrow

NotSoNervous Thu 17-Jan-13 21:48:28

Oh and welcome furious

I'm still completely clueless to the reasoning to the name of this thread, I gathered someone gate crashed the other thread but not sure what was said, someone want to fill me in ??

ValiumQueen Thu 17-Jan-13 21:50:12

I think saline drops or spray is less likely to cause choking than a build-up of snot and mucous. You can get drops free through minor ailments at the chemist. You just register. You do not need to be on benefits or anything. Spray is easier though.

Gro bags - I put j in either a long sleeved vest or a gro depending on temp. Very rare to need vest and gro in my house.

blonderthanred Thu 17-Jan-13 21:53:00

Eliza that must have been really worrying. If you are not satisfied or it carries on I would go back. Congratulations on reaching birth weight. Such a milestone even though I know you were hoping for a bigger gain. Is your hv really knowledgeable about bf or is there anyone else you can talk to?

Thanks for advice re saline, sounds like I missed the obvious.

I could do Lakeside Ikea btw.

ValiumQueen Thu 17-Jan-13 21:54:34

Billie is also known as Booster or Bileous at times too. Also sometimes refered to as the little shit, but never within her hearing, and always in a loving, if frustrated way. She is two. Need I say more.

ValiumQueen Thu 17-Jan-13 21:57:32

eliza if it happens again I would definately get her seen immediately, and try to keep the vomit too so they can inspect it. I would be inclined to go to A and E

ValiumQueen Thu 17-Jan-13 22:00:13

How is YW ? Who else is in scotland? I know of me, pass, MM and YW. Any others?

ValiumQueen Thu 17-Jan-13 22:03:50

nervous our last thread title was mentioned on the 'stupid things people say on MN' thread in a rather patronising way.

Elizadoesdolittle Thu 17-Jan-13 22:04:57

Thanks all for your kind wishes.

vq it was a & e of sorts (only for under 18's) so a specialist peads area and I took a muslin cloth with evidence of it. She seems happy and alert when awake although she has slept loads today. I will be straight back up there if it happens again. Am obviously hoping I don't have to though!

ValiumQueen Thu 17-Jan-13 22:05:12

The poster refered to us as a quiche I believe. I did not see it.

ValiumQueen Thu 17-Jan-13 22:08:52

eliza I guess they see more of it than you would think. I do hope it does not happen again. I remember with DD1 pus came out of her vagina when she was a matter of days old. Scared the crap out of me but the GP said it was nothing to worry about. There was about a teaspoon full.

StuntNun Thu 17-Jan-13 22:10:57

Hmm, by other peoples' definitions my dog isn't a doglet then since she weighs over five stone!

Btw does everyone know there is a related Facebook page for our quiche called Nov 12 Babies that you can ask to join? Just do a search for it on Facebook.

Passmethecrisps Thu 17-Jan-13 22:13:24

Other jocks are mrs wee and georgee that I can remember.

I am thinking of going to the Baby Cafe tomorrow but am a bit nervous due to lack of boobage on the feeding front. Maybe I could just pretend!

I am also thinking about joining the baby big noise group. Problem is that these things tend to be during nap time. Hmm

Passmethecrisps Thu 17-Jan-13 22:15:05

I love our Facebook page. Awesome for piccies!

horseylady Thu 17-Jan-13 22:15:24

15 degrees in my house with heating on!! It's a joke.

He's in vest, body suit, grow bag.

StuntNun Thu 17-Jan-13 22:16:54

Nervous someone on another thread commented that we shouldn't be expecting out babies to sleep through yet, not realising that a number of our babies are already sleeping thorough. It wasn't anything rude though.

Passmethecrisps Thu 17-Jan-13 22:18:52

15oC?!?!? Omg! Chillytastic! I really feel the cold and am currently wearing a t-shirt, jumper and DH's hoodie.

ValiumQueen Thu 17-Jan-13 22:20:35

pass from what you said before, you have an awesome rack. Just whip them out and I am sure they will dazzle folk long enough to sneak a bottle in. Seriously though, I would like to think you would be welcomed open armed regardless.

GTbaby Thu 17-Jan-13 22:24:44

Can those of you who fancied the West london meet up remind me... ta
maybe we should put our general location/areas on the stats thread?

Pass be carful of the hair holding, i dont know if this is a old wives tale but a friend told me a baby got their mums hair wrapped about their finger and cut off circulation... had to had the finger amputated. also let me know how the crib tranfser goes, we will be trying to get Lo into his own room next week and need tips!

Garden hope your ok, big HUGS.
am i right in recalling you and your P split up briefly when you were preg as well? how have you both left it?

PR you have a few visitors coming over from the quiche dont you?
you should meet up...

lane! haha

blonder i joined the weight loss gang and still have done nothing to loose weight ... oh dear

oh nick names include a few punjabi ones ie little birdie. when he is wearing his elmo sleep suit, he is called elmo. also call him GooglaWoogla, baba, Harjunny. actually we have no one nick name lol.

and thinking about the FB group... haven't seen DH21 recently (she started teh FB group)??? hope all is well.

rowingdowntheriver Thu 17-Jan-13 22:29:16

gt, I'd be up for a west London meet up. Equally, Croydon ikea would work for me too.

I had been wondering about dh21 too, it's been a while since she was on here.

blonderthanred Thu 17-Jan-13 22:32:43

Oh GT I call L little bird but I did not know that was a punjabi thing. I forgot my favourite name for him which is Soren Lorenson (for any Charlie & Lola fans out there).

daisychain76 Thu 17-Jan-13 22:35:24

I feel sorry for Charlie, Lola is a brat imho

DonnaDoon Thu 17-Jan-13 22:36:18

GT It can happen...dd got one of my long hairs wrapped around her toe (would you believe ) it was wrapped so tight and poor little toe was purple. Stunt I have a James Robert and we have always called him Jim-Bob

PennieLane Thu 17-Jan-13 22:43:26

grin BPLP at fellow dinner stealing cats. Bastards!

My nickname is Cube/Cubey (our surname sounds like Oxo) or Snuffle Pig, as she snorts when feeding. Sounds weird to use her actual name now!

Another one with freezing house here, want January to be over now!

Ps I've name changed!

NotSoNervous Thu 17-Jan-13 22:49:39

Oh thank you VQ & stunt

Still snowing here, I would love to be stuck in for a few days but think ill want to muster DP. He's been off work for 8w! We've never spent this much time together constantly before

GTbaby Thu 17-Jan-13 22:50:34


here is our stats list, copy the most recent post and add your own details.

for newbies and those who want other to know where they live for meet up arrangements.

PennieLane, who were you before!

blonderthanred Thu 17-Jan-13 22:57:45

I'm guessing Lane81?

TheDetective Thu 17-Jan-13 23:00:04

Oh you chatty bastards! I've 7 pages to catch up on.... grumble grumble.

DonnaDoon Thu 17-Jan-13 23:02:24

GT My family is originally from southall ...Dormers Avenue?

ChunkyChicken Thu 17-Jan-13 23:11:58

I forgot DS is also snufflelupagus (like Sesame St)...

Off to empty my overly-milky boob into the little Chubington, so night all. Wishing warm and quiet ones to all.

GTbaby Thu 17-Jan-13 23:20:47

whispers det, how did it go today? or is your appointment tomorrow?

i know domers av, other side of southall.

A dilemma for you ladies.

J has slept for 3 hrs solidly now and shows no signs of stirring, first time in forever, the catch? He's on his front, head turned to the side (like the fb picture I posted a few weeks ago) I his cot. He sleeps like this for hours all night in our bed so a moment of madness desperation I put him in the cot after his last feed and he rolled straight onto his tummy, stuck his bottom in the air and went to sleep. We have the angel monitor pad under him and he is still snoring like a trooper as always so we can see/hear he is breathing and moving (DP has the sensitivity in that thing turned to as high as it can go ffs!)

Anyway, I'm so tempted to leave him there until he wakes by himself, if I turn him now he'll scream to come in our bed and feed all night and I'm so exhausted and sore!
I know they advise babies on their back for safety reasons and my HV would hang me for even thinking about it but wwyd? This child just will not sleep on his back!!

GTbaby Thu 17-Jan-13 23:43:40

ARGHhhhhh AIBU? To be annoyed that a friend has put pics of LO of FB.
I texted her and said I don't want his pics on FB.
She replied saying
- she "thinks" only tAgged ppl can see it.
- she isn't putting any more on
- she only put those on that include her.
All points which I think are irrelevant.
I replied please delete or limit to the 5 friends we have in common.

No YANBU GT - he is your baby and she shouldn't have put them on there without checking with you first. I wouldn't be happy about it either.

M0naLisa Thu 17-Jan-13 23:49:11

Yay! I found you. Lol

My 3rd baby boy was born on 30th November. He was due 1st December. He was the quickest birth of the 3, in 47 Minutes :-)

Soooo can I join you please?

And no he's not sleeping through. :-(

YANBU, I would be quite annoyed of anyone other than close family put pictures of any of my kids on FB, when I do it I set it to only family/ close friends can see it.

ALTHOUGH! That reminds me of my ex's slightly extreme new gf, they took the boys to the zoo the day she met them and then she posted tons of photos onto fb of her and them and chafed her profile pic to her hugging my kids!! I was angry


GTbaby Thu 17-Jan-13 23:51:52

On the day he took them there was a bunch of us I did say no pics of him on fB. I just txted her to remind her of y request. N further request to delete. She said "there are only two pics but ok will delete."

It also really annoyed me that Someone congratulated me about birth of LO on FB before I could announce it myself.
FB really does cause issues lol.

GTbaby Thu 17-Jan-13 23:53:47

Hiya m0na! Glad u found us. grin
47min! Wow.

TheDetective Thu 17-Jan-13 23:54:30

Fucking hell, I skim read...

Garden I would like to write a longer post - will tomorrow - but thoughts are with you. You know my feelings, men can be total dickheads. Lots of thoughts and hugs... and wine.

DP is being a silly bugger currently and making fart noises over the baby monitor. And playing his 'bullshit' activator. I do hope he is doing it in the bathroom, as Oscar is in the basket. I am downstairs doing a wee party dance. I think he is trying to tell me to come to bed! grin

Oscar is OscarWoscar. No idea why. blush Osciepants sometimes. Weird. You would think plain Ozzy would be fine. Especially given his first name and middle name initials are OZ!

The appointment was shit and pointless, but thank you for asking. I've started a thread asking for advice on sick pay. Feel fecked. Told the same old crap 'its just a big epis, its going to take time to heal'. Yeah. Great. Thanks. Men wouldn't put up with this shit, seriously. Why are women expected to just put up and shut up when it comes to birth injury. I've felt quite angry this evening really. I'll not whinge on, but I want to fucking function like a normal person. That is all. sad Been discharged and told to come back after 6 months if no change. Told that it has been stitched fine - oh yeah, well why can I feel lumps on the outside. Told it is slightly tethered on the inside, but nothing that needs anything doing hmm.

The only consolation was the look on her face when she realised she could see the scar on my butt cheeks without me even parting my legs. Yes. I know its huge. Fuckers.

Apols for the swearing. I needed a vent. blush

M0naLisa Thu 17-Jan-13 23:57:51

I've just added my stats.

30/11/12 ds3 was born :-)

M0naLisa Fri 18-Jan-13 00:02:05

Yeah took some finding there's loads of Nov 12 groups lol. Also I've requested to join the fb group if that's ok?

GTbaby Fri 18-Jan-13 00:03:52

Oh dear. I've already exceeded my posting ration hmm

After today's postathon (jezz how do we manage to keep up? Do u all have nannies ;p )

I've thought about this posts rationing a bit more. And will be easier to implement.

Rules are as follows
- every nov12 quiche member will be given a ration of two posts a day.
- the day starts at midnight.
-you need advice RE LO health
-you need advice RE twat P
-you need to vent about twat P
- general venting About family
- reporting any cute behaviour from LO/ DP
-posts relating to offers on nappies/ wipes

GTbaby Fri 18-Jan-13 00:09:29

-any post that will help your MH in any way at all.

Right that shod sort out our problem

Another sleepless night. Can u tell? Although think LO will keep me company at some point as he had 6pm feed very late and then has been asleep since so missed 10pm feed hmm

M0naLisa Fri 18-Jan-13 00:10:07

I mainly post at night as Charlie doesn't like sleeping at night. Then again he's fast asleep now which is good :-D

TheDetective Fri 18-Jan-13 00:28:19

Oh that's me sorted. I could easily find something to moan about in every post grin poor bastard.

Remembered other nn's, grumblepants, grumbledore, grumblina, grumblestiltzkin... You get the picture, no?!


He tried to giggle today. It did not work. More of a hurrrrrrr noise. But DS1 was tickling him with a feather!

Oh, and forgot on my last post I am going to go back to GP and ask for a second opinion and to see a consultant. Ignores fact I spent the whole pregnancy dodging the buggers!

ComradeJing Fri 18-Jan-13 00:35:27

Haven't posted in ages but waving at everyone.

Will pop back soon and catch up.

TheDetective Fri 18-Jan-13 00:41:05

Warrington Ikea for me please!!!! Am 20 mins away! Could even do the Manc one as I know where is it and how to get there grin.

Clarella Fri 18-Jan-13 00:53:23

think I need a medal ..... I'm on two antennae threads! blooming 42 weekers .....

Clarella Fri 18-Jan-13 00:53:51

*antenatal. I'm not a beetle.

Clarella Fri 18-Jan-13 00:54:37

bugger used my quota for the day. it's like a genie in a lamp situation ...... hmm

Clarella Fri 18-Jan-13 00:55:16

sorry think I've had too much ribena now.

GTbaby Fri 18-Jan-13 00:55:52

Clareella I can't keep up with one! How do u do it?

No medal but here thanks

GTbaby Fri 18-Jan-13 01:52:23

Omgosh this is the first actual night feed I've done in ages. This sucks! Least I didn't have to wake up. Silver lining?
Pls pls pls stay asleep till 8 am LO Pls! Mummy will give u kisses if u stay asleep. And cuddles. PLS

katkit1 Fri 18-Jan-13 03:00:48

5hrs of solid sleep first time ever ever ever - get in there

daisychain76 Fri 18-Jan-13 03:08:06

Ooh, Manchester Ikea would be good for me, my best. friend lives 2 mins away. Sorry appointment wasn‘t more helpful detective.

What did you choose to do tits

Keeping fingers crossed snow doesn‘t get worse ~ dd has got 20 friends coming to a birthday party on Saturday and will be gutted if people get snowwed in and cancel.

Sorry GT, definitely exceeded my quota today! Can l carry forward unused quota from previous days?!

capedcrusader25 Fri 18-Jan-13 03:22:10

Hi catbag smile
I don't have any nicknamed for O. Sometimes she's pidge or sausage! I don't have one either.
Think I'm all alone in West Midland country! I'm an Alton Towers girl. Although I don't actually live in there, they would be cool.
Time to get back to sleep! Having a rubbish evening/night, O's fine I just feel meh.
Sending peaceful night vibes out!

PurplePidjin Fri 18-Jan-13 03:27:40

Titsalina, R is a front sleeper. Hv advised that he needs fewer covers because it makes them warmer and congratulated me on his sleeping. No smoking plus brand new mattress makes it fine smile

I'm on both too, Clerella!

I keep up because i surf from a blackberry playbook that i can hold in one hand while feeding wink

blonderthanred Fri 18-Jan-13 03:34:10

The joys of night feeding a snuffly baby - trying to breathe and drink at the same time is proving a challenge for the poor mite. At least he is no longer bunged up the other end (as he just just proved in spectacular fashion - luckily for once DH had woken and offered to change him - hurrah).

Did someone recommend Karvol? Or anything else? It's only a little cold but he keeps waking himself me up with the snorting.

blonderthanred Fri 18-Jan-13 03:38:43

ps Tits DS always rolls onto his side and I try to roll him gently back but it's tough. I'd be tempted to try and move him from a front position but I think they say if they have moved themselves it's ok to leave them.

Bryzoan Fri 18-Jan-13 04:08:41

Tits - my understanding is that if they roll themselves it is fine though before g went into his harness I let him sleep on his front sometimes when I was in the room as he slept better that way and I'm quite sensitive to waking up for his snuffles etc. On an unrelated note, I am flabbergasted at the nerve of your exp's new girlfriend changing her profile pic to one of your kids! Nutter!

Gt - your friend also has a nerve. Can't believe she is prevaricating and making excuses rather than apologising and removing immediately. Doesn't matter how many pics if you don't want them there!

Det - shocked to hear how your appt went. Def second opinion time. No-one should have to put up with that.

Garden - hugs, hope you are ok. Having babies strains even the best reltnships sometimes I think. And I think prems can do even more so. With dd1 I spent so long looking after her by myself in Nicu I didn't really trust dh to do anything - and he just left everything to me. I felt like a single parent with the added load of extra cleaning, washing cooking and shopping and very nearly told him to bugger off once or twice. Take it easy and look after yourself whatever happens.

Evil - you were asking if it was wrong that you were looking for reasons to leave dp? I still think you have reason enough from your last argument. Good luck whatever you decide.

Right - time to explain to g it is still night time... Wondering how much snow we will have tomorrow. Southerners - I am not far from southamton either - about an hour north, up past Salisbury.

Clarella Fri 18-Jan-13 05:10:03

detective I must have missed what happened at appt .... sorry it didn't go well.

'am I being a paranoid mummy?' - I think gs had same bug as me which feels like a stinking cold but there's no snot but if he felt like it did he felt really rubbish. I felt a hit better yesterday but tired and he was very sleepy in afternoon - to the point where after not feeding much in morning I felt I should wake him each 3 hours for a feed (not had to do for weeks). he clustered quite a bit in eve and last fed at 12:15. he just woke me gurgling and straining a little bit but went back to sleep - BUT I then felt I should feed him as it's been 4 and half hours- longest ever, incase poorly .. . argh ! wwyd??

I think his low birth weight still affects what I decide to do (5lb 2) at 42 weeks - he was 8lb 9 on Monday for 5 wk weigh and upped percentiles to 9th so made great progress but I still worry - BUT am I holding him back if he's trying to sleep longer?

StuntNun Fri 18-Jan-13 05:39:15

Welcome to the quiche Mona.

There was a thread on here a couple of weeks ago for babies that sleep on their fronts Tits. My DS2 always slept on his side, right from the start he wouldn't settle until he got on to his right side. If you have a movement monitor then it might be best to go with it.

It's awful when you get fobbed off like that Detective. I have had a few experiences like that where the problem got worse because follow up treatment was needed and they won't listen when you tell them something is wrong. I would keep plugging away at the doctor until it's easier for them to give you a referral just to make you leave them alone. grin Can you ask for them to write that it's urgent in the referral letter? Otherwise you could be waiting a while for an appointment. Surely it shouldn't be so painful after 7 weeks? How are other peoples' episiotomy scars healing up?

CandyPop Fri 18-Jan-13 06:03:57

Im another that could do lakeside :D

GTbaby Fri 18-Jan-13 06:18:33

Omg. What am I doing up! Oh the baby ignored me n wants feeding after just four hours. Of course. confused

DH has to drop car off for service. I'm meant to follow him there n drive him bk hmmso tempted to ask him to get bus back

GTbaby Fri 18-Jan-13 06:26:13

OmF. Fecking transfer failed. Seriously. Fucking seriously. Am I just having a shit night! Yes!

PetiteRaleuse Fri 18-Jan-13 06:48:26

Good morning. Welcome Mona , there's only one Nov 12 group it's just we have filled a lot of threads. We are quite chatty in here.

Blonder if you put the baby on his side, squirt the drops up the top nostril ard enough you should be able to see lots of snot coming out the other nostril. Repeat on the other side, about 10 to 20 minutes before every feed. It's the most effective way I have found, and it's hw they do it in the hospital. They hate it, and it might sound as if they're drowning sometimes (was it your gp who said that?) but it is much much better for them than the mucous being digested, or worse that it Gets down into the lungs.

Detective once again I am speechless at how badly women are sometimes treated by health services. Pain after 7 weeks on any scar is not normal. A bit of itching as healng continues, ok, but not actual pain.

Evil you have an excuse to leave your DP. What he said last week was disgusting.

Well I mixed up teats for LO's bottle, using one of DD1's teats for her morning feed. She necked it back, burped, and puked it back up all over me. DH has is work event tonight and I'm on my own til tomorrow as won't epect much sense from him even if he does come back before 2am which I know is nothing really - only a day right- but being puked on at 7 am feels like an omen for a tough day ahead.

Hope you're all able to enjoy the snow while not having to commute. We're due more snow tomorrow. Same band of cloud. W've still gt heaps left from Tuesday. Yay, should be pretty and no need to drive tomorrow smile

GTbaby Fri 18-Jan-13 06:53:54

PR. snow here is limited. I was expecting an amazing view (of the terraced houses behind me) everything cover in snow. But there Is just a frost like covering. Major disappointment!

With LO crap sleep/ feeding n lack of snow I know that omen feeling. Gona b a bad day! wink

StuntNun Fri 18-Jan-13 07:13:24

We should organise all the Ikea meets for the same day even though they'll be at different stores. Then we can all chat about it on the thread afterwards.

I'm getting new front tyres on my car today so hopefully the snow will hold off until they're on. Must go and get the sledge out of the shed in case I need it to go and pick up the boys from school.

StuntNun Fri 18-Jan-13 07:14:14

I take it I'm the only one for Ikea Belfast? Anyone? Anyone?

PetiteRaleuse Fri 18-Jan-13 07:16:17

I'm feeling a little cheerier. My bread has just been delivered and it is still warm. She must have done our street first smile

My cats have got used to us being up in the night to let them in and out of the house, and the last few days we of course haven't been getting up. They were furious this morning when I let them in. I opened the back door and one of them actually hissed at me as she stalked in. Must be cold for them. Oh well, they should learn to adapt to coming in while we are still up if they want to stay in the warm. Thick animals.

PetiteRaleuse Fri 18-Jan-13 07:20:13

I have to admit that Ikea is my worst nightmare. I quite like the food, but will only ever go during term time, during the week, when DH is off. I hate the fact the store irritates me beyond belief but that I still can't stop myself from spending far too much money in there.

Watching BBC Breakfast. Lve the way the weather people are so excited and trying to make the forecasts as dramatic as possible. You can sense their glee smile

StuntNun Fri 18-Jan-13 07:37:30

DH says Ikea is the closest I've ever been to actually killing someone. I only wanted a kitchen cupboard ffs but no, that wasn't in stock and they couldn't tell us when it would be in stock and they couldn't order it in. Went to B&Q and got the cupboard inside of five minutes without having to navigate a maze through a shop with no visible exits.

horseylady Fri 18-Jan-13 07:38:29

Caped - were close then!! I'm about 20 - 30 mins from Alton towers

Another god damned sore throat!!!!

Tits - did you move him? I've spoken to a good 10 people who pit an angel pad under their baby and let them sleep on their bellies. Theyre guidelines not hard fast rules. Ds sleeps ok on his back but has started rolling onto his side. I've been putting more clothes on ds than recommended as he's been cold. Saying that. It's 15 degrees in my house. I have no idea why?! We laid the insulation and there was loads. I'm wondering if I've left a window half open!

Clarella Fri 18-Jan-13 07:39:38

this snow thing is silly. we got snowed in every winter in the peak district in the 80's and 90's. I got snowed out once, got stuck in buxton for 3 days and even then had to walk the last mile home. kept falling through the drift crust up to my armpits. we used to make igloos.

stuff ikea, if catbag makes newcastle city centre we're hittin the toon baby!! (or a nice coffee in the Baltic ;) )

PetiteRaleuse Fri 18-Jan-13 07:47:27

Oh I am having a rage moment. I was really looking forward to my warm bread, butter and jam. And there is no more strawberry jam. I think I must have PMT there is no justification for me being so angry today.

Other than watching Lance Armstrong come clean but not show any sign of regret. Daren't switch over to French news I can imagine that each and every French person is taking his cheating personally.

Those of you who want to make some extra money and are considering writing, if any of you are, I have heaps of materials from writing courses and ebooks about writing etc. If you PM me an email address I can send you them. Am thinking particularly of Detective as she was talking about money yesterday and obviously enjoys writing at length but anyone else, just let me know.

ChunkyChicken Fri 18-Jan-13 08:00:26

PR LOL @ the weathermen...

detective def get a 2nd opinion. When I had pain DTD after DD, I saw the Dr at 6wks (the one that wanted to use silver nitrate to remove scar tissue!! shock <-- my face if she'd done it...) then again a couple of wks later. He said give it 4wks of trying to DTD regularly & if it doesn't improve, come back. I did & got a referral to gynae through choose & book. I saw the same consultant I would have, as it happens, at my local hospital but at the local private one (not Bupa). The follow up appointments were all there too & so much quicker for being private (had iv ultrasound). He offered a laparoscopy to check my bits out - all I had to do was phone his secretary to book one!! However, as it wasn't anything obvious, I left it. As it turned out, the pain on deep penetration on my right side went when I had my appendicitus, so maybe it was that? Anyway, if you could get someone to take you seriously like that consultant did (neither he nor the GP dismissed me at all) then that would be ideal. But it was 4-5mths post DD unfortunately.

GT I vaguely keep up by bfing & Android-phoning it...

In more good news here. DS started his 'dream feed' (he woke up & took about an hr with 2 nappy & sleepsuit changes - puke, bm & poo variously) at 11.24, and started his morning feed at 7.19. No night feed!!! shock

Plus, I was drifting off as I was cuddling him to sleep (he was yawning, rubbing eyes etc so was ready) so I was worried I would drop him, so put him in his basket. No crying it fussing, so I settled down with the light on, keeping an eye on him.3hrs later, I woke with a start - he'd only settled himself to sleep!!! I won't tell you how guilty I felt & how my heart was in my mouth when he looked almost blue, felt cold to the touch and wasn't moving, but def moved & grunted, true to form, when I touched his chest

There should be a [smug bitch] emoticon!!! grin

Normal service will no doubt be resumed tonight....hmm

Catbag Fri 18-Jan-13 08:04:18

petite I would interested in the odd thing if no one else claims. It had been my intention to do either a masters or the BPTC this September, but DH thinks (and secretly I know he is right) that currently we can afford neither and so my education/ career is being put on the backburner. Oh, and the twins don't really help in that regard either grin I would like to write for a living in the interim.

clarella Ooo, coffee at the Baltic! That sounds much more like it...

PetiteRaleuse Fri 18-Jan-13 08:06:24

Sure, just send me an address. I'm happyto email it to as many people as want it if they are partofthis quiche

Catbag Fri 18-Jan-13 08:10:03

A reporter on Radio 4 has just referred to the roads in South Wales as 'treacherous'. His mis-use of the English language has made me irrationally cross <rage face>

MadamGazelleIsMyMum Fri 18-Jan-13 08:11:33

I seriously struggle to keep up! PR am envy at warm bread, even without jam.

No ikea in the SW except Bristol which I don't think has been mentioned yet.

Clarella Fri 18-Jan-13 08:11:37

detective I found your post don't know why I missed it. I would get a second opinion, a similar thing happened to my friend. I don't think the scar tissue should hurt after 7 wks either.

hope you're ok pidj, keep thinking of you.

garden and evil too

horseylady Fri 18-Jan-13 08:17:06

Cat - that's a correct word for hazardous conditions. There's two meanings of treacherous. One is guilty of betrayal. . One is Hazardous ground conditions.

PetiteRaleuse Fri 18-Jan-13 08:18:43

horsey while you're here, is E still coughing? LO still coughs - not like she did when she was ill, but a kind of scratchy cough from time to time.

Catbag Fri 18-Jan-13 08:20:40

evil I think petite said that you have your excuse to leave him with what he said last week. I completely agree, but would go further and say that the mere fact that you are looking for a reason to leave him is reason enough in itself. I have been in your position and found that I was looking for some epic misdeed on his behalf that would justify my leaving to both me and the wider world because I was scared. As it was, that had happened, I just didn't find out about it until afterwards hmm Not trying topush you either way, just help you think about the situation objectively <hugs>

horseylady Fri 18-Jan-13 08:21:55

Yeah he still coughs. But not mucousy if that makes sense?

Detective - it is, in the big scheme of things, still early days but 6 months??!!! Wtf??!! Complain!! I'd have thought 4 weeks for a follow up. Pals. That's where I tell everyone to go!!

Catbag Fri 18-Jan-13 08:23:52

horsey I was under the impression that treacherous implied a level of sentience? Therefore it has been acceptable to apply it to the sea historically, but not to things that do not move or have personality attributed to them?

Catbag Fri 18-Jan-13 08:25:02

Will lose the <rage face> though, if I have employed it innappropriately grin

PetiteRaleuse Fri 18-Jan-13 08:33:26

I would use treacherous for roads in cases of black ice, for example, when the road looks safe but the appearance is deceptive iyswim. Also for water where there is an underlying current that isn't evident unless you're in it.

When there is snow and is therefore obviously dangerous I would use the word dangerous.

That's what I meant by scratchy horsey , dry, as if her throat is scratchy iyswim.

KissysUnderTheMisteltoe Fri 18-Jan-13 08:35:20

Well I've learnt something already this morning, didn't know that catbag!

Evil I second what others have said, what your P said was reason enough hmm

Very jel of warm bread PR, angry at Lance Armstrong! Bloody cheat!

It is snowing!!!

Thechick Fri 18-Jan-13 08:39:10

Hello ladies
I finished the last thread during the night and I'm 3 pages into this one. The first page made me laugh. you ladies are funny. You guys were talking about Push presents. Ive never heard of that before, is that a new thing? Are things actually marketed as push presents?
Hope everyone is okay! We are all good. I have a blocked duct. Trying to get H to feed it out but he keeps falling asleep. Might have to get the pump out if its not gone in the next couple of hours. I haven't expressed in a long long time.
I noticed that some of you were talking about 'shit my dad says' does that mean you are on twitter. I'm @thechick123 if anyone wants to follow.

kirrinIsland Fri 18-Jan-13 08:40:59

detective I'd be asking for a second opinion if I were you - that's really not on sad

Not too bad a night here, but I am full of cold - I look great! Think Rudolph.

I'm not to far from lakeside ikea.

horseylady Fri 18-Jan-13 08:46:00

Yes dry and tickly is about right!!

Cat - I think it's applied to things unseen as petite says.

rowingdowntheriver Fri 18-Jan-13 08:46:42

Ha ha pr, I agree about the weather presenters! One of my friends is a regional weather presenter and another does the weather graphics for the Bbc. They get VERY excited about news worthy weather!

TheDetective Fri 18-Jan-13 08:52:34

Thank you, you ladies always know how to cheer this grump up!

I've got a poorly DS1 at home today. He had slapped cheek last week, but I only realised yesterday. I thought he had a real bad flare up of his eczema blush. He is still suffering the symptoms of the slapped cheek. I had to collect him early from his football match yesterday evening so had a feeling he still wouldn't be right this morning. He isn't ill often. But since I've been off on mat leave he has has 2 episodes of vomiting (after staying with his dad both times hmm ) and now this! That is his quota for 5 years run out in 3 months!!

Add to that DP having flu, I can't believe me or Oscar have not come down with anything yet. Still, there's time. hmm

I'm going to have a snooze. Everyone else is. I'm the only awake one!

PR I don't think I have what it takes to write! Believe it or not I don't enjoy writing anything remotely intellectual. I just like whittering on about shit grin.

Am looking for alternative ways to make some £ though! Btw are you allowed to do stuff like that while on maternity leave??

rowingdowntheriver Fri 18-Jan-13 08:54:52

Oh, and LO gets called either pooey Louis or Louiswee (depending on latest nappy change) or gorgeousporgeous. Oldest also gets called gorgeousporgeous or Alexibones.

Sophiathesnowfairy Fri 18-Jan-13 08:59:58

stunt if you hold off till sept I can do Ikea Belfast!

PetiteRaleuse Fri 18-Jan-13 09:01:59

I followed you chick

Catbag Fri 18-Jan-13 09:02:50

stands corrected

Catbag Fri 18-Jan-13 09:03:35

Lol, that was meant to be in << >>

rowingdowntheriver Fri 18-Jan-13 09:05:29

detective, I would have thought you can work during mat leave so long as your work contract allows it and you do a self assessment tax return to declare any income from it.

As you are a midwife (hope I am correct in thinking that), how about taking the odd job as a doula? Downside would be the unpredictability of when your client went into labour but on the plus you could just take on a client as and when you are ready for work? I think they get paid quite a bit.

Another way would be babysitting through an agency like sitters. Not sure how much you'd earn or how it would fit with your own baby but it is easy money (we've used them, they arrive after DS is in bed and watch tv until we get home). Again, it is pretty flexible.

Catbag Fri 18-Jan-13 09:06:29

I have followed you also chick. I am DustyCobweb. Really should get back on Twitter properly- the twins and my degree Mumsnet actually seem to be taking up all my time!

Bryzoan Fri 18-Jan-13 09:08:32

Det - you actually write well, even if you do think you are just withering on. Your epic posts are usually entertaining and often informative. Also I would argue that midwifery is in fact quite intellectual so please don't put yourself down. In your shoes I would think about it - especially if you cab write about something you enjoy / are interested in. Having said that - I freelanced as a journalist for a while (about 15 yrs ago now) and it was bloomin' tough selling stuff in.

NotSoNervous Fri 18-Jan-13 09:11:26

I got up about 45min ago and it wasn't snowing, now it's heavy

Catbag Fri 18-Jan-13 09:14:29

Where is my snow? sad

PetiteRaleuse Fri 18-Jan-13 09:14:50

I also think Detective writes well. Doesn't have to be intellectual stuff - parenting rags aren't intellectual. That said freelancing is bloody hard, as Bry said, but could be a way of getting a small non guaranteed income. Not sure what the rules are though.

<dances> snow day! I'm going to build a snowman! grin Boys are off, J is asleep (finally after waking at 2am and eating me alive all night) it's quite heavy here, south coast. I chuffing envy snow grin

Passmethecrisps Fri 18-Jan-13 09:18:38

Fab word use chat!

Right, p is bedded down in her own room for the first time. She is also in a sleeping bag for the first time. I am lying on my bed next door. Fingers crossed she sleeps ok fr her nap. I am seriously thinking she needs to be in her own room. She is a wonderful sleeper - I am not. 4am waking every single morning.

BigPigLittlePig Fri 18-Jan-13 09:23:43

Not a bad night – piglet (that is her actual nickname) slept in our bed quite well, which is a good job as it’s bloody freezing. Our house is also 15 degrees, although probably because I’m a bit stingy with the heating. Still, I kept the electric blanket on all night so at least it’s warm getting back into bed.

madam I’m with you on Bristol Ikea smile, so you’re not alone!

detective I saw an advert for home tutoring the other day, and was going to give them a ring and offer my services – but I’m not sure re: how legit that it whilst on maternity pay. Would also love to be able to do locum work as that’s the easiest way to earn a shedload bit of extra cash.

Finally picked up the ranitidine for little pig yesterday, worlds smallest bottle which is going to last 5 days max, and they haven’t given me a syringe so couldn’t give her any. Shame as last night there was epic vomming so she could have done with it. Have dispatched DH to get a syringe…

TheTiger Fri 18-Jan-13 09:25:49

Hi can I sneak in and be a late joiner? I'm on the wibbly tummy thread. DS is 13 weeks old, born 18th October but was due November 1st.

He's had horrendous colic and was diagnosed with reflux, which I am using infant gaviscon for. I think he is finally coming to the end of his colic, he only had one screaming episode this week, woohoo!

Ok, I better get back to the beginning and try to catch up!

PetiteRaleuse Fri 18-Jan-13 09:42:37

Welcome Tiger yours is a day older than mine. Happy three months birthday to your LO

Catbag Fri 18-Jan-13 09:42:42

Hey Tiger, come make yourself comfortable in the quiche grin

KissysUnderTheMisteltoe Fri 18-Jan-13 09:47:54

Welcome tiger smile

Catbag Fri 18-Jan-13 10:18:26

Received all the stuff petite, thank you smile

Passmethecrisps Fri 18-Jan-13 10:21:53

Hmm. She is still asleep! Normal day sleeps are max 30 mins

ChunkyChicken Fri 18-Jan-13 10:26:14

Hi Tiger.

I too was going to make stunt's coordinated IKEA meet, but she beat me to it.

But sod it, if its Lakeside, we could visit the new Kiddicare shop!!! Apparently the feeding room there is brilliant!!

Eliza fc for today.

My Chunky chick is almost touching both ends of the Moses basket. DH needs to get his act together, so I can use the cot.

evil agree with everyone. If you're looking for a reason to 'justify' leaving, it suggests you're not happy and want to leave - mentally you've already started packing your bags IMO. I would have found it v hard to forgive his previous comments and knowing how difficult it has been with my DH, in that situation, I would have felt that was the final straw.

Anyone else get hungry with all the talk of quiche??!! grin

PetiteRaleuse Fri 18-Jan-13 10:28:28

OK I'm not boasting here. LO slept from 9pm to almost 7am. Woke up, fed too fast, my fault, puked, drank another ounce, fell asleep. Woke up at 11 and has drunk only 3 oz and fallen back asleep. Growth spurt knackeredness? She was smiley when she was awak and doesn't seem ill. Yesterday ate like a pig. I don't need to worry do I?

CandyPop Fri 18-Jan-13 10:31:50

Snowing here too! Just started an hour ago and it's settling already ! Housebound today I guess !!

BigPigLittlePig Fri 18-Jan-13 10:36:46

PR two 10 hour sleep marathons in one week?! I'd be hanging out the flags and throwing a party actually I'd probably just sleep myself If she's happy in herself, she sounds fine, just giving her poor mummy a well earned break perhaps?

We have snow smile

PetiteRaleuse Fri 18-Jan-13 10:41:05

BigPig erm, three actually. Tuesday was the first ten hour session but she did the same Wednesday and Thursday. I just kept quiet yesterday. But yesterday she was really alert and hungry and today she's just knackered. Well we're off out in the snow in a few mins to pick up DD1. Going outside will wake her up.

Passmethecrisps Fri 18-Jan-13 10:51:03

I cracked and woke p up. She woke with a wee smile!

horseylady Fri 18-Jan-13 10:51:09

Detective -nhs says no youcant work elsewhere if claiming maternity pay. Not sure why!! Will look into it!!

Of course there's always cash in hand.....cleaning jibs etc.

GTbaby Fri 18-Jan-13 10:52:19

I bought a quiche the other day wink

BigPigLittlePig Fri 18-Jan-13 10:54:38

PR envy swap??

Izzybuzzybuzzybees Fri 18-Jan-13 10:56:16

Wow I find it really hard to keep up!

Someone asked who else was Scottish, I am, doubt I'd make an Edinburgh meet up though.

We had a good night with DS last night. He's just over 11weeks and randomly slept through last night from 11-7. I'm wondering when to start a bedtime type routine and put him upstairs. He is in a crib in our room but currently stays downstairs til I go to bed. What do you all do?

Welcomes to the newbies, hope you all keep up better than I can!

kirrinIsland Fri 18-Jan-13 11:27:13

I think you can lose your smp if you work elsewhere whilst on mat leave. In my contract (police ) i can do 15 keep in touch days without loosing it .

PetiteRaleuse Fri 18-Jan-13 12:00:41

Wide awake and troughing now.

TooManyDicksOnTheDancefloor Fri 18-Jan-13 12:21:45

Good night here too, B slept from 10pm-5.45am. Bad evening though, she wouldn't settle between 7pm-10pm, I fed her in the end at 9 and then she screamed from an hour.

Izzy, I usually put B in her carrycot in her own room at bedtime, around 7.30pm. We moved her into her own room at 5 weeks as nobody was getting any sleep with all of the snuffling. I do have the monitor next to my ear though.

detective- I think you could make a good living making up real life stories and sending them to trashy mags. Your writing style is witty and very readable.

Right any thrush sufferers about?

The GP yesterday prescribed Nystan drops for M and Daktarin Gel for me. I think his thinking was that Daktarin cream would need to be washed off.
Since getting them I've googled and it says that the gel won't work on nipples only in the mouth, so that's pointless then.
I've got some clotrimazole cream from last time which I didn't get mcj chance to use with Ms constant feeding so I'm going to use that.
Would you use the Gel on M seeing as I've got it? It's supposed to be four months up due to choking hazards but it seems it's more effective than the drops.
Also, can you buy Daktarin Cream over the counter? It's seems that might be better than clotrimazole cream.

Sorry I'm rambling there a bit

Izzybuzzybuzzybees Fri 18-Jan-13 12:44:01

fatima we both had thrush. I was initially prescribed clotrimazole cream for my nipples and J's bottom and nystatin drops. When the infant feeding specialist heard she changed my cream to daktarin and said as its only a smear you are supposed to use then it was safe not to wipe off. Just apply the smear after a feed, which was blooming tricky when he was feeding near constantly. We also had to have fluconazole with a 150mg starting dose then 10days of 50mg. That eventually cleared it for us!!

BigPigLittlePig Fri 18-Jan-13 12:51:40

Something horrid has happened. Little pig has projectiled vomited on my FACE. Tell me I'm not the only one who has endured this? It takes a mothers love to forgive that!

Passmethecrisps Fri 18-Jan-13 12:52:45

We were given daktarin gel for P. her thrush cleared up within 2 days of using it.

PetiteRaleuse Fri 18-Jan-13 12:56:45

Tee hee bigpig I always used to pick DD1 up, when I went to wake her in the morning, and sing good morning good moooooorning to her, and lift her up in the air.

Once when I did this she vommed right down into my mouth at the mooooooorning bit. I was able to put her back down very calmly and then went and vommed myself.

Passmethecrisps Fri 18-Jan-13 13:09:12

Bleaurgh! Yuck BP! This has not happened to me (I once got a fabulous belch in my mouth though) but it did happen to my sister.

I think I might be naughty then and use the Daktarin gel prescribed for me on M instead, then send DH to get me some Daktarin cream from the lloyds pharmacy down the road. She's had the drops for over a week originally and they cleared the tongue up but not the inside of the cheeks.

Yes you do indeed lose your SMP if you start working for someone else. We recently had someone at work take another job with someone else while on maternity leave. My colleague who works in HR called HMRC and was told to stop her SMP the day she started with her new employer.

NotSoNervous Fri 18-Jan-13 13:18:59

grin no BPLP that hasn't happened to me and I hope it never does, I have been projectile shat on more then my fair share of times&#128532; I'm desperate for DD to get DP now

We are snowed in and DP is out, our road is absolutely terrible but there's loads of food but no chocolate!

MadamGazelleIsMyMum Fri 18-Jan-13 13:22:06

PR DS has been doing the same for a couple of weeks now, big long stints like that. He is alert and feeding well and often during the day, so I am just feeling extremely lucky. Haven't said anything on here because I didn't want to jinx it, and because I know some are still having a horrendous time.

<backs slowly away from thread>

TheTiger Fri 18-Jan-13 13:34:29

PR can you tell me your secret please? If our babies are practically the same age then why does this little boy still feed 4 hourly overnight?! Wow, I can't even begin to describe what I would do for 10 hours of sleep envy

DS had his 2nd imms yesterday and is verrrrrry whingy today... And we are stuck in the house because of the damn snow. Good job I've got 6 episodes of Real Housewives of Beverley Hills on sky+, anybody else a Real Housewives fan?

GTbaby Fri 18-Jan-13 13:41:47

Yeah. grinVery DH didn't even wake me this morning (to drive him bk from car garage). U wonderful wonderful man. He got the bus in this awful weather, the snow finally hit us.

I know I've mentioned my holiday. But not given details. But need some advice.
Going to India all of march. Yep 4 weeks. I will be taking formula from here. Don't wana chance LO not taking to whatever is available there.
However a little concerned about packing close to 200 nappies!
So am considering taking a few cloth nappies.
What brand do u use? So I can start research if this is a viable option for us.

StuntNun Fri 18-Jan-13 13:58:57

Fatima the drops worked fine on J and the clotrimazole cream worked on me although it was a pain having to keep washing it off. If you buy the cream over the counter it should only be 1%.

BPLP could be worse, could be pee or poo and probably will be eventually!

StuntNun Fri 18-Jan-13 14:07:38

Ooh, I forgot to welcome Tiger. thanks

Can you be bothered to wash nappies when you're on holiday though GT? Take lots of disposables with you then you'll have room in your suitcase to take shopping and presents home! I'm interested I'm switching to cloth now because of all the leakages we've been having. Or do cloth nappies leak just as often? Can we start the reusable chat again, I wasn't paying attention last time. The only thing I remember is that Tot Bots are good but expensive.

I think I'm getting it worst in the nights, with four feeds every night but I wouldn't begrudge anyone else getting a good night's sleep. Having said that, DS2 didn't reliably sleep all night until he was six years old so I do have particularly low expectations in that respect.

PetiteRaleuse Fri 18-Jan-13 14:08:12

Secret? I wish I could be smug and say it's my fabulous parenting but I can't. Apparently DH was a good sleeper so they must get it from him. I don't know if the fact I FF has any impact? Different people have different opinions on that.

One thing that DH has done which possibly has helped is the second he hears her stirring during the night he gets up, strokes her head, shhhhes, and pops her dummy in. He's been doing that since she was about six weeks old. (Until then we'd get up and feed immediately) At the beginning that might win us an extra hour, so spaced out the feeds gradually, but now he apparently does it once at about 4 and that keeps her down til about seven or sometimes 8

Thing is he is a light sleeper, so he wakes immediately she stirs. She has to be bawling for me to wake up, by which time of course it's too latefor her to self soothe.

So if it is something we've done my DH has to take full credit for it. I think also he expects her to sleep through quickly. The French are much more about baby's life revolving round us, not the otherway round. So whereas I'd jump up and prepare a feed if I woke he would assume that as she's stirring, not crying, she can wait.

PurplePidjin Fri 18-Jan-13 14:26:09

I use Real Easy by Hip Hip Baby, Totsbots Easyfits and ebay cheapie pockets stuffed with small prefolds during the day. Large prefolds with a pul wrap overnight. I was doing angel fold but trebled lengthways then doubled widthways with a fleece liner seems just as good tired and lazy last night

I use 3-4 day nappies and 2 night ones, washing every 2-3 days smile

stunt I've already got the clotrimazole, DH has been and bought me the Daktarin. I've got tons of clotrimazole, they make it where I work grin
Going to carry on with the drops for M.

She's been fussing a lot and getting angry/upset while feeding, not sure if that's the thrush or a growth spurt. All she's done today is eat and sleep, she's been awake for about an hour in total.

I'm disappointed in the snow fall here, we normally get loads here but we've only had v small flakes

purple did you say you we're a sling addict? Can you recommend a video showing how to use a wrap sling. My friend's lent me one, she showed me how to do it but I wanted to have another look at one with a baby in

PetiteRaleuse Fri 18-Jan-13 14:53:57

I think DD1's last four teeth might be on their way. Red cheeks coupled with a really foul mood this afternoon. Fricking hate teeth.

Dixiebell Fri 18-Jan-13 15:01:36

I'm about 8 pages behind, don't know if I'll ever catch up! But wanted to say thanks for supportive comments re losing it with older kids. Better day today, think bcs of the snow we haven't attempted to go further than the garden so no pressure to get out door, and ds1 is being pretty good.

Also, sophia and pidjin, I am in NE hants, family in new forest.

horseylady Fri 18-Jan-13 15:14:52

No idea what were doing here?! Though apparently both myself and sh slept through. I just take each night as it comes. Were in a good routine wrt to going to bed?! But consideringwe started with him sleeping on me, to going into the pram asleep, to putting him in and holding him etc etc.

Saying that he's one of the oldest on here at 12 weeks tomorrow!! I think this is one of the times you see the biggest differences!! He looks like a little boy!! Will post on fb

PennieLane Fri 18-Jan-13 15:38:48

Cripes BPLP!
PR my LO does the same, though for 8 not 10 hrs. She's seems to have 3 nights of 8hrs, then a few nights of 10.30-4/4.30-7.30, then back to solid 8, all with a four hour nap every afternoon. I think it's just the way some babies are. She did go bananas at the 6 wk growth spurt though.

I too am making the progression to cloth nappies this weekend now that LO has hit 10lbs. I've got Little lamb ones, if you join their Facebook page they often have offers. think I'll stick to disposables at night though.

GT it was Lane1981. 200 nappies!!! What a great trip, looking forward to updates already!

MissMummy1 Fri 18-Jan-13 15:45:44

<whispers> Matilda slept two lots of 4 hours last night...

PurplePidjin Fri 18-Jan-13 16:09:04

Fatima, I'll ask on fb for you, i learned at a sling meet smile

Dixie I'm south west but I'm sure we can find somewhere in the middle!

ValiumQueen Fri 18-Jan-13 16:42:13

I love the comment about Ikea being a maze with no visible exits grin

Still shit sleep here at twelve sodding weeks envy

kirrinIsland Fri 18-Jan-13 16:58:15

Yuk bigpig i'mglad to say that's never happened to me yet

Thanks Purple