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November 2012 - losing sleep and losing weight

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StuntNun Mon 31-Dec-12 13:26:38
ValiumQueen Mon 31-Dec-12 14:02:28

Great title stunt hopefully less of the first and more of the second!

Passmethecrisps Mon 31-Dec-12 14:10:01

Brilliant stunt

TheDetective Mon 31-Dec-12 14:13:54

More sleep less fat please!

PetiteRaleuse Mon 31-Dec-12 14:30:33

Marking place - great title smile

ChunkyTurkeywiththetrimmings Mon 31-Dec-12 14:37:35

Marking spot... Same as detective please!!

NervousReindeer Mon 31-Dec-12 15:11:18

Marking place, I'll take what detectives saving aswell please

GTbaby Mon 31-Dec-12 16:07:20

13 days to LOs party n there is no way I can loose a stone. How can I mistakenly think that my own sons party is in feb rather then jan! Baby brain to the MAX!

ValiumQueen Mon 31-Dec-12 16:12:02

GT that is an unrealistic goal, and would mean being very unhealthy. It is your sons party so most eyes will be on him, people know you have recently had a baby, and from the pics on FB you are a very beautiful young lady who carries any extra weight well. So stop stressing about what you cannot change, aim to eat more healthily, and enjoy these days and weeks with your lovely boy x

kirrinIsland Mon 31-Dec-12 17:12:15

Marking place.

blonderthanred Mon 31-Dec-12 17:30:40

Hello new thread, I'm especially pleased to see you as the old one keeps crashing the app on my phone.

YellowWellies Mon 31-Dec-12 20:32:20

Aloha team November smile

pikz Mon 31-Dec-12 21:37:57

I'd like both please...super sized!

Catbag Mon 31-Dec-12 21:53:10

Evening all!

Evilwater Mon 31-Dec-12 22:43:20

PR- glad to hear things are getting better.

4 hours later and N is still NOT asleep. there has to be a better way.

MIL suggested rocking him for 2 hours , or co sleeping with us. Co-sleeping is dangerous as both DP and I roll alot at night. Rocking him for 2 hours not on my favourite list, and it hasn't really worked.
My mum said "let him cry it out"
my aunt, "a bit of brandy on his dummy will do the trick"
My nan, "keep him awake all day out if spite, then he will sleep

Can I have some sensible help?

GTbaby Tue 01-Jan-13 01:47:41

Aww thanks VQ. I know I'll never loose a stone in 2 weeks. Just a bit gutted that my I messed up calculations of my first goal. Gona mk sure he has a massive 1st bday party at where I can show off my smoking new slim body. At my slimmest I'm a size 14/16! Currently a 18. There are 4 stone between those dress sizes if u can believe that.
I am never gona b slim. Just want to loose the gut.

Lane81 Tue 01-Jan-13 03:44:37

I second VQ!

Sophiathesnowfairy Tue 01-Jan-13 06:24:23

Yep gt you are a stunner so don't worry the weight will better stay off if done slowly.

Fab title sums up my year ahead.

30 mins more snooze I think.

Peaky1 Tue 01-Jan-13 08:19:42

Tip for those using the shitty iPhone app - open mumsnet in Safari. I think DH suggested it a while ago and it's so much better. I thought the text would be too small but its as good as and a much clearer lay out. There's more options to click as well as there would be on a computer.

I've got a little programme to follow to get fit again. DP is a physio and personal trainer so that's handy but also means in the the torture-and-no-sympathy land as I asked for help. Oh dear! Only 1 rest day a week but a lot of the plan is using my fitness DVDs and I have a couple of post natal ones (I love Davina and she's got a pre/post natal DVD too). This will be combined with a couple of runs (when DP can have baby) and 1 circuit training session a week. I'll give it a go to see whether or not its realistic! The runs are only short so I'll only be out for an hour max (hopefully) and it'll be nice to have some alone time with music even if that means sweating profusely and struggling to breathe whilst clutching a lamp post . I should be ok. I miss my fitness and it'll do a world of good for mental health.

Went to a New Years party at a friend of DP's. In hindsight it was a silly idea as J cluster feeds in the evening and I spent almost the entire party upstairs feeding while watching their telly and came down for the chimes and he got upset when the party poppers and cheers happened! Just felt utterly stupid thinking it would work (for DP sake). Oh well!

NervousReindeer Tue 01-Jan-13 08:27:21

peaky a short run = 1hour?!?! I thought youweregoing to say 10min grinblush

ValiumQueen Tue 01-Jan-13 08:33:31

Perhaps the hour includes a nap in the park.

pikz Tue 01-Jan-13 08:40:40

VQ that made me spit tea!!

Brace yourself for what might be a week of ranting mil is currently landing from SA...

ValiumQueen Tue 01-Jan-13 08:46:15

pikz sounds like fun! Rant away.

TheDetective Tue 01-Jan-13 09:13:38

I definitely have a lazy baby. We've just done the last night feed wink. everyone here still asleep. Looks like Oscar and me are joining the sleep party!

Be back at 1130!

Peaky1 Tue 01-Jan-13 09:17:37

I meant up to an hour! According to my app I ran 1.38 miles the day before yesterday and it took me ages due to running like an 80 year old with 2 replaced hips who needs a poo! That and lots if walking breaks, lol!

Elizadoesdolittle Tue 01-Jan-13 09:31:04

Checking in...the suns out. Yay smile

TooManyDicksOnTheDancefloor Tue 01-Jan-13 09:42:11

Happy new year everyone! wine

Well, that is the first new year's eve I haven't been awake for the chimes. Had stomach cramps and went to sleep at 10pm hmm. I felt too poorly to wake B for a feed at 11pm so she woke at 2.30am then 6am. I'll have to try the dream feed tonight.

Diet is meant to start today but we've got party food in the fridge that I couldn't eat last night. It would be a terrible waste to throw it out.

ChunkyTurkeywiththetrimmings Tue 01-Jan-13 09:50:43

Don't you just hate it when you're all geared up to resent baby - had v v little sleep, been full on puked on again - and they go and give you a great big gummy grin & coo & gurgle at you and you forgive them instantly grin

A has only been in 0-3mths clothes a few days & some look like they're getting snug already!! He put on 830g in 18 days, which is just over 10oz a week roughly. If I knew how, I'd share so those struggling with weight gain issues could replicate it. I think he's just destined to be stocky whereas DD was destined to be skinny.

MissMummy1 Tue 01-Jan-13 10:19:21

Sevond evening in a row of manic cluster feeds followed by 6/7 hours sleep! grin Waiting for the bubble to burst, she is clearly trying to lull us into a false sense of security...confused

Hope ill people and littlies are better soon. Have a great day everyone, we're off to my mums for lunch with sil and her dh when dp and I eventually get out of bed wink

PetiteRaleuse Tue 01-Jan-13 10:32:42

LO screamed til after 2, but then slept well.. She's not eating as much as usual and is coughing a lot. No need to worry yet though.

DD1 still needs too much oxygen. All we are waiting for now is fir her to do 24 hours no oxygen with decent sats. But she still needs 2 litres, so could take days.

havingastress Tue 01-Jan-13 10:38:17

Hello smile Can I join in? Had DD 9 weeks ago. She's just had her first jabs and bless her, very irritable and has gone off her food. Anyone else had side effects from the jabs?

Oh. and can I share? I bought Harvey Karp - Happiest Baby on the Block. OMG. Most amazing book/dvd ever. We now never have crying episodes that go on and on because we can stop them! grin

Seriously. The 5 s's work brilliantly.

StuntNun Tue 01-Jan-13 10:54:33

Nervous it's difficult to know what to do other than suggest trying different bottles like these but it would get expensive to keep buying them if they don't work. My DS2 never took a bottle either so he was fed using a sippy cup. Have you tried starting to breastfeed then unlatching and trying the bottle so your baby is in the same position as for breastfeeding, comfortable with you and already expecting milk? When J started taking the (Avent) bottle he was trying to latch on to it, it was comical seeing his jaw working and putting so much effort into 'milking' the bottle. It took a couple of weeks before he worked out that he just had to suck and the milk came out. So your LO might just need some practice.

I'm cross with DH, you would think this was his first baby he's so clueless. J woke up crying at 7.30 so DH took him downstairs and nursed him with a dummy for 90 minutes! I was asleep and didn't realise J wanted a feed until I woke after 9 hearing him crying. So I went downstairs to get him and DH said he would change his nappy before his feed. Then I heard the bath running so I went upstairs to find J alone on the change table while DH was in the bathroom running the bath! DH is convinced that he won't roll off the change table so it's fine to leave him there! Then he didn't like the amount of water in the bath so he put loads more in - I though J was going to float out of the bath seat. And DH was sitting on the toilet kid while J was in the bath, thinking the bath seat would hold him securely. It's just a curved piece of plastic, one good kick and he could flip himself out of it and be drowning before DH could get to him, I don't know why he thinks he doesn't need to hold on to him. He keeps leaving him on bean bags, on the sofa, in his swing/pram without the straps done up. The man just has no clue about safety at all. Sorry for the rant, it's annoying me that he won't be told, he knows it all and since six-week-old babies can't roll over all this is perfectly safe.

I saw this baby bath seat linkey and thought it looked very comfy. I wonder if you can get them in the UK?

Sophiathesnowfairy Tue 01-Jan-13 10:55:50

Bugger bugger bugger, Olly has a cold and the themometer has broken and the saline drops have disappeared and he is two days away from a cheeky pop of Calpol.

Off to find the duty pharmacy open .........

StuntNun Tue 01-Jan-13 10:56:01

* toilet lid

StuntNun Tue 01-Jan-13 10:57:34

Welcome Having. What are the five Ss?

ValiumQueen Tue 01-Jan-13 11:05:48

That looks lovely stunt but I shudder at how you could fill it safely. The tap above the baby just seems so dangerous. Very cute and clever though.

Welcome havingastress and congrats. I have not heard of that author. I will check it out. My DS is also 9 weeks.

sophia I am not sure two days is worth stressing about. DS had calpol at 5 weeks in hospital, so I would think it would be fine to give. Your LO is how old now? He had 2.5mls.

Peaky1 Tue 01-Jan-13 11:25:33

I saw a bath product at the baby show that I'm considering again now but not sure how expensive they are. It's called the babydam I think. It's a barrier for the bath so you only have to fill a portion of the bath rather than the whole thing. They were selling like hot cakes at the time!

NervousReindeer Tue 01-Jan-13 11:48:16

stunt she's had a couple of bottles before a took to them like a duck to water so I panicked that she would reject BF and started spacing the bottles out no more then a week and now she rejects that, a couple of times she's had 1oz from a bottle but when I put more in for DP to give she completely rejects it again. I've tried taking her off the breast then giving it to her but she won't take it, we've tried feeding her in different positions like her car seat but she won't have it, she did take an oz when we were out in town so we'll try today again when we go to mums. I have 1 advent bottle so we'll try that in a few days. When she rejects the bottle I always try and distract her for 5-10min afterwards so she doesn't learn that if I refuse this I get boob straight away

Welcome having

I really should get ready but can't be bothered

StuntNun Tue 01-Jan-13 11:52:49

Can you wait until she's really hungry Nervous, e.g. when you've been out so she has been asleep in the car seat for ages?

Sophiathesnowfairy Tue 01-Jan-13 11:56:47

vq DS will be 8 weeks on Thurs and he is 11lb plus. Think that would be ok?

Passmethecrisps Tue 01-Jan-13 12:02:28

Happy noo year!

Hope everyone had a nice evening.

We have a basic baby bath from Ikea. We have to use a tub to fill it as it won't go under the taps. The petal bath thing could be filled the same way. Before p was born I fancied one if those bucket bath things. P loves a wee kick in the bath though so I am glad we didn't bother.

MadamGazelleIsMyMum Tue 01-Jan-13 12:50:25

Happy new year! Had an appalling evening with DH at work and neither DC sleeping, but DS then had another great night and both children napping now, at the same time so am munis netting catching up on my own rest.

And yes, GT you are stunning as you are.

PR - not sure if I have missed an update but how are your DC?

Clarella Tue 01-Jan-13 13:21:54

checking in and happy new year!

Clarella Tue 01-Jan-13 13:28:19

could I just ask - at what point should I allow ds to sleep longer than 3 hours and 4 hours at night? he was 5lb 2 at birth as had lost weight in womb ad I went to 42 wks and had small placenta (dunno why not picked up) but is now just over 7 lb at 3 weeks - he's started showing signs of sleeping for longer but I worry about weight due to low birth weight - or shall I just allow longer sleeps at night?

StuntNun Tue 01-Jan-13 14:00:21

Clarella you only need to wake for feeds if your baby isn't gaining weight adequately. Otherwise just feed on demand. I find J is extremely variable, some afternoons he'll sleep for four hours but other times he'll cluster feed. If they do have a long sleep then they can make up for it by feeding more frequently for the next few hours.

Clarella Tue 01-Jan-13 14:04:39

ah thanks stunt!

ValiumQueen Tue 01-Jan-13 14:19:57

sophia I would think 2.5mls would be fine. He is a good size and the dose is all about size. I am not a doctor though. Has he got a temp? If so it is important to know why?

Sophiathesnowfairy Tue 01-Jan-13 14:43:12

His temp is 36.5 he is just snuffly and grouchy, he has a sore bottom and a blocked up nose. I would cry too if it were me and I couldn't take anything. I will give him a bit at tea time if he is no better. Thanks vq xx

Happy new year November ladies and babies!

Well, it's our last day in Cornwall for the festive period and as the sun is shining we headed out with the intention of spending the afternoon at Port Isaac, only for my car to break down on the way. The exhaust has pretty much split in two, so thankfully it didn't happen on the motorway on our way home tomorrow, wouldn't fancy waiting for a recovery vehicle on the hard shoulder with a 5 week old. Hopefully it can be repaired in the morning!

Babylaughalot has been cluster feeding for the last few days, at a different time each day. Is this the joys of a growth spurt?!

I want to start expressing soon so that DP can help out with one feed a day. Can you lovely lot answer a few questions for me?

When is the best time of day to express?
How much should I be aiming to express for each feed? I have NO idea how much babylaughalot currently takes at each feed and want the bottle feed to fill her up!
Will my supply be affected by missing the feed that's replaced by the bottle?
Any other general expressing tips?

Thanks in advance!

TooManyDicksOnTheDancefloor Tue 01-Jan-13 15:38:18

I bought a great baby bath in Asda last week. It was less than £5 and is a seat bath. B loves it and it takes a very small amount of water,to fill. This is a picture of it.


YellowWellies Tue 01-Jan-13 15:41:04

Sophia call NHS Direct / 24 they can give an age and weight adjusted dose recommendation for calpol for babies younger than 2 months. We had to call them when we needed to dose J (before we knew it was reflux!) when he was only 6 weeks and 8 or 9 lb so am sure there is a safe dose for yours.

TooManyDicksOnTheDancefloor Tue 01-Jan-13 15:42:10
PetiteRaleuse Tue 01-Jan-13 15:47:11

Why do you have to wait two months for paracetamol? Calpol is paracetamol isn't it? Over here we give it from 3kg up at any age in case of fever over 38°. I double checked that with the doctors when LO was in hospital at 4 weeks.

Right, LO coughing her poor little guts up but no breathing issues, so am reasting easy til tomorrow now. She's not drunk massive amounts but she often eats more in the evenings.

DD1 is making progress. They have decided to stop the physio, and right now are seeing how she goes with no oxygen, just for an hour or so. Tey are also hoping to get her walking around a little this evening.

They'll put her back on oxygen this evening of course but the fact they are trying is positive, so I am still feeling optimistic she may be home for Friday. Which of course is a disappointment compared to Wednesday, but it's still this week.

I'm feeling more positive. She has had excellent care - can't fault the hospital - and I am just looking forward to her coming home now.

PetiteRaleuse Tue 01-Jan-13 15:48:39

In fact I was sent home from hospital after giving birth with a whole bag of pills and potions for me and LO and paracetamol suppositories were in there, along with vit D drops and various creams and pain killers for me.

KissysUnderTheMisteltoe Tue 01-Jan-13 15:58:19

Happy new year to you all. Not had a chance to catch up on the thread yet but hope everyone had a good new years eve, DP and I fell asleep on the sofa and woke up at 10 past 12! Rock n roll! smile

DD1 has come down with chicken pox today! Only 2 spots so far but I fear the worst is yet to come, now I just have to try and keep her away from LO in the hope she won't catch it too hmm

Marking my place and asking a quick question...

M and I have been ill with a bad cold since Friday. Just found out that DHs auntie has whooping cough. We spent most of last sudsy with them and some of Boxing Day. I don't know what the incubation period is. Should I do anything or just watch how M is?

PetiteRaleuse Tue 01-Jan-13 16:38:40

Fatima when will your LO be having the jabs? I think whooping cough is in the batch? Did you have the jab during your pregnancy?

Apparently it starts as a kind of cold normally. I woudl guess you can't do aything until LO shows symptoms of a cold. I would start doing the saline nasal drops though so you can reduce risk of a cold turning into anything nasty.

With DD1 being ill I was told to regularly clear LO's nose even before she started showing any symptoms.

Lnk to NHS page about it: www.nhs.uk/Conditions/Whooping-cough/Pages/Causes.aspx

PetiteRaleuse Tue 01-Jan-13 16:42:06

Just re-read, and see M already has a cold. I'd see the doctor tomorrow. The sooner it is caught the easier it will be to treat. Fingers crossed though you'll both be fine.

Bugger, I was hoping you'd say I was worrying about nothing. She is very snotty and quite raspy today. We both started with it on Friday but I haven't got a cough.
She's 5 weeks 4days so she's not due her injections for another 2.5-3 weeks. I did have the injection at 35weeks though

PetiteRaleuse Tue 01-Jan-13 17:06:52

Ah well if you had the jab she should be OK. That's what it was given for smile

Would be worth taking her in and being checked out though. The Dr will listen to her chest. Colds can turn nasty on newborns (and toddlers grrr) so it is always worth keeping on top of it. In Luxembourg and France some doctors automatically admit any babies under two months with colds. Overkill IMO but always worth checking.

ChunkyTurkeywiththetrimmings Tue 01-Jan-13 17:09:02

Calpol is safe obviously, but I think they like you to get a Dr to oversee use before 3mths because a) potential liver damage & b) it could mask more serious issues causing a fever.

DS was prescribed

ChunkyTurkeywiththetrimmings Tue 01-Jan-13 17:12:49

Darn it. Damn phone having buttons too close on webpage....

Paracetomol at 12do, with the dose calculated for his weight. He was 8lb 3
2oz iirc & had a 0.6ml dose. Hth Sophia.

Going back to read thread again.

Marking spot, had a crap NYE and day due to not feeling well, constipated and stomachache. sad
Slept a lot, hopefully it will ease soon

PetiteRaleuse Tue 01-Jan-13 18:02:41

DD1 has been off oxygen for several hours now and has walked around a little. Sats are good. Fingers crossed.

HAPPY NEW YEAR - to all you gorgeous mummies and darling bubbas!!!

We had a lovely day yesterday going for a Thai lunch then a walk along Sarfend sea front and down the pier, then home to warm up. Dh works as a medic in a nightclub so he was at work for 9 so me and kids were snuggled up watching downton abbey, eating thorntons chops and watching the fireworks and paper lanterns!!!

Today we've taken the dog for a walk and found a couple of geocaches and now Dottie's watching the wizard of oz for the first time while we wait for the pork to roast!

Wishing all the poorly babies and mummies better xx

StuntNun Tue 01-Jan-13 18:25:13

MissLaugh best time of day is morning (I express one side while J is having his first feed of the day on the other side using a rugby ball hold). Worst time of day is tea time. The advantage of tandem feeding and expressing is that the letdown reflex occurs in both breasts simultaneously so you should get more milk (it also saves time). To letdown you may need your baby present although apparently a photo also works. I have a recording of J crying on my phone to aid letdown. I also find imagining the sensation of feeding/letdown can be enough to trigger letdown!

I would aim for 4-5 fl. oz. initially and see whether this is too much or too little. It may take two sessions to get this much or it may not.

If you miss a feed and give a bottle in the afternoon/evening you will probably be fine. If it's in the night then you may find your breasts get full and you'll need to express. If you miss two feeds then definitely express as your supply could be affected.

My routine is to express 3-6 fl. oz. every morning. If it's a small amount I top it up from the next expressing session so all my bottles are 5-6 fl. oz. I leave them in the fridge until the next day then freeze them so that I always have a full bottle in the fridge for if I'm going out or need to feed when I have a visitor.

I'm using Avent bottles with storage lids to freeze milk since I don't anticipate keeping much in the freezer since we only have a tiny freezer. If you want to store lots then buy milk freezer bags BUT these only store up to 4-5 fl. oz. so you'll probably need to put 2-3 fl. oz. in each and use two per bottle.


Evilwater Tue 01-Jan-13 18:47:43

Hello all, happy new year everyone.
Here is hoping that tonight will be miles better than last night. Met a mother at on my walk, she has the same age baby as me. She is also a having the same problem. It's very comforting to know I'm not the only one.

Horsey- I hope your horse is ok, and not too frightened of dogs. Some people are idiots.

PR- I'm glad things are on the way up.

I'm very interested in the 5s.

I hope all the sick babies get well soon.

Lane81 Tue 01-Jan-13 19:10:11

I want to know what the 5s are too!

MM my LO slept through the night 3/4 nights a week (11-6) and usually waking only once the other days until the 6 week growth spurt, and now it's every two hours. I think it takes a few months before they settle into anything. Am hoping she goes back to it soonish. Fingers crossed for you though!

I wish I'd been in Port Issac for NYE-jealous! I fell asleep at 11.30 for first time ever not seeing the NY in, fireworks in next door's garden didn't even wake me!

LOs injections this week, at nearly 8 weeks! Feel a bit nervous about it actually!

Passmethecrisps Tue 01-Jan-13 19:44:34

I googled the 5 S's

They are:

ChunkyTurkeywiththetrimmings Tue 01-Jan-13 19:59:47

MissL I agree with all stunt has says about expressing but to add;
1) I have found a photo of A feeding on my phone v useful for pumping
2) Lansinoh milk bags are good, as are Boots. Just check they're suitable for freezing.
3) freeze milk in small amounts & laying flat, as it defrosts quicker.
4) a good guide to feed volume is 150-200ml per kg of weight per day. If LO has 10 feeds a day, and weighs 5kg, that would be roughly 100ml a feed, so approx 3.5oz.
5) you should, in theory, keep pumping for a minute or 2 after the last drop of milk is out. I assume this increases the amount you pump/maintains supply. However, I only pump for as long as I can be bothered!! grin

glenda sounds like a lovely day.

PR tentatively saying things are looking good.

I am hoping the lurgy has finally left through house!!!

Evilwater Tue 01-Jan-13 20:00:37

My LO keeps trying to put his fist in his mouth, is this a normal behavour?
Should I stop it?


PetiteRaleuse Tue 01-Jan-13 20:02:58

That's normal Evil.

DD1 back on oxygen for the night.

Evilwater Tue 01-Jan-13 20:04:49

Oh no PR. wishing you the best.

horseylady Tue 01-Jan-13 20:08:27

Those of you who's babies have had jabs are lots of sleeping and reduced appetite normal. He had them yesterday at 3 and ran a fever yesterday. He slept a lot and ate about half what he usually does.

Today he's not got the fever, is more alert but is sleeping more and again not eating much. He also appears to have another cold so has been sick a bit.

He's obviously feeling sorry for himself. Should I give him some calpol or leave him be? If he's still the same tomorrow I'll call the dr but they said he'd be grizzly. Hes not, just sleepy.

Stunt and Chunky thank you so much for the advice. I don't know quite why I'm so nervous about expressing as I'd love to be able to give DP one feed a day to do. Our HV suggested that he should only ever be the one who feeds her with a bottle, so that she associates it with him and still bf with me which I guess makes sense. Will let you know how it goes next week!

Evil our LO also tries to shove her whole fist in her mouth. She pulls a really cute face when she's trying!

TheDetective Tue 01-Jan-13 20:21:36

That's excellent news PR. You've really been through the mill. I hope she is home for Friday!

Paracetomol suspension can be given from birth. We give it to newborns who display certain signs of distress from a traumatic birth - usually forcep or ventouse births. But it is prescribed and calculated based on weight. I'd ring OOH GP and go that way if you want to give it, they can give you the dosage.

Toomany We have that bath! Am going to get something better though as he loves the water, and it is uncomfortable holding on to him, so he only gets about 2 minutes! I'd prefer a proper soft chair type thing, but put it in a big baby bath rather than the main bath? Not sure! Just going to keep looking for something! I am looking forward to having him in the bath with me! I just don't like 'warm' baths though...! Hot hot hot please!

We have had a very sleepy baby today. Am worried he will be up all night! He has slept most of the evening now... I woke him at 5.30pm, as he was due a feed at 5, but had been asleep since his last one and I didn't want him to stay sleeping all day. So now he is due another soon, but he is still snoozing, and when he did wake, he didn't want to be awake and grizzled to be put back asleep - so now he is back asleep! He is otherwise fine, so who knows. confused It is like he has gone back to his brand new baby ways!

Oh, we also cracked the day time sleeps - it's the car seat hmm. He likes to nap in the bloody car seat, well, second to being on me anyway! He likes the cocoon feeling, and being rocked with my foot while I MN. Little monkey! Why do they never like what is best for them?!

Am wondering if Oscar will ever be a 4 hourly feeder? He is usually 3 hours, unless we are out and he is knocked out by the fresh air! You can set your clock by him. After his feed at some point between 10.30pm-midnight he will then go 4-5 hours, but then it is back to 3 hours on the dot usually! He has been doing that since about 3 weeks. Except today, clearly!

I would like him to do a bit of a longer stint at night, but I really can't complain, because he does go back down straight away, and sleeps for 12 hours. It is just I am just having a lot of trouble going back to sleep in between his feeds, and I'm not sure why. It is as if I can't relax when he is there? As soon as DP takes him downstairs, I can easily go straight to sleep. As a compromise, I've been kicking DP awake to do the middle of the night feed so I can get 6 hours, as I can fall back asleep when I've woke DP, where as once I've woke properly to feed, I can spend 2 hours trying to fall back to sleep. It is the same when I go to bed - struggling to fall asleep. So I do the early morning feeds, so I can feel more rested and be ready for the day ahead. Even Ewan isn't letting me drift off any more!

horseylady Tue 01-Jan-13 20:27:17

Detective welcome to my world lol!! You can quite literally set your clock by him!! Though he's 3.5 hourly now.

Of course after posting he's now wide awake, laughing and quite happy!! He doesn't need anything mummy would just like him to eat a bit more!! He will when he's hungry!!

horseylady Tue 01-Jan-13 20:30:01

Det - I also can't go back to sleep, but I think that's because I'm usually a person who once awake, is awake until bed time. I don't nap or anything just as soon as im up, I'm up!!

TheDetective Tue 01-Jan-13 20:31:23

The only thing that varies is the length of time at night - but then it ends up being that his feeds/sleep/wake times are different every day, because he goes back to 3 hours once he has done his 4-5 hour stint!

havingastress Tue 01-Jan-13 20:32:37

5s's have changed our life seriously!

Basically works on theory that babies have a fourth trimester and until they are 12 wks old they are essentially not ready to be in the wide world..so when they are crying (so long as not hungry/nappy needs changing) you swaddle them, hold them on their side and shush very very loudly im their ear. Makes them feel as though they are back in the womb.

Trust me. Amazing!!! You tube it!

TheDetective Tue 01-Jan-13 20:34:37

That's true, I'm not a good napper. And if I did manage a nap, it is for 4 hours blush no one could drag me up before the 4 hours were up! But I had got better at napping towards the end of pregnancy though, managing to fall asleep quicker, and nap for 1-2 hours! And I did manage falling asleep fine until probably the last 10 days I'd say. Not sure what has changed? Maybe I'm just not as tired? Even though I am sure I am!!!

TheDetective Tue 01-Jan-13 20:39:46

I can't admit to this because I sound like a smug bastard and you just know admitting it will make it all stop, but Oscar only cries for feeding/tired/explosive poo nappy/play with me.

Lucky bastard. He still takes all my time up though!!!

Sophiathesnowfairy Tue 01-Jan-13 20:53:17

I gave Olly half a 2.5ml end of the Calpol spoon when he was still gurny and cryey and he seems much chilled or maybe he is now spaced

DH has gone to bed, back to work tomorrow, I am waiting for the 10:00 feed, so dressing gown on, candle on, twinkly lights on, chocs, cup of tea and Bridget Jones. smile contentment.

Get my girlies back form their father tomorrow looking forward that too.

TheDetective Tue 01-Jan-13 21:01:57

I'm looking forward to this month for the first time ever, bloody hate January usually! as I have got lots of plans for me and Oscar! Is anyone else planning on going to any groups now the new year is here and our babies are becoming more sociable?!

I'm going to baby massage - booked it when I was 38 weeks! Starts end of Jan when he is 8 weeks. There are a few Sure Start groups I am going to - some are free, a couple are for a small cost. There is a water babies one, in a hydro pool by my house. A 'Twinkles Baby Multi Sensory' group, described as 'a relaxing session for babies with toys, music, projectors, bubbles and lights. Another group called Joxytales Baby Bubbles & Rhyme' described as songs, rhymes, parachute and bubbles!

There is a toy library once a week too, plus buggy fit, and then some 4-6 week courses, baby babble, weaning, and baby moves.

Going to space them out, so we have a day of relaxing, and a day with a session to attend. I would have loved this when I had DS1!

What do you think to taking DP sometimes? I want to make friends at the groups, so obviously having DP with me may put others off chatting to me. But I'd like him to experience this kind of stuff with Oscar, to help them bond, and for him to enjoy playing with him! He would be able to go quite often, as he isn't getting any overtime at work, so he is only doing 1.5 days in the week, plus Saturday. He will be going on his own (if he wants) when DS is 5 months anyway, as I'm back to work, and he is off for 3 months. Not sure what to do, would it be weird attending together?! I thought maybe if he came to one of the groups, plus the swimming, and then I did the others alone??

Evilwater Tue 01-Jan-13 21:03:39

Fingers crossed N is asleep. Please be asleep.

Sophiathesnowfairy Tue 01-Jan-13 21:16:53

detectiveyou will be super busy! Sure start centres can be great if you get a good one. I am going to start zumba at our local one, obviously I know that is just for me but I can take Olly. They also do sibling soft play on a Fri so I am going to take them both to that. I like the sound of twinkles I will have to see if they have something similar here.

Sophiathesnowfairy Tue 01-Jan-13 21:17:47

I too always try to make sure I have one day at home a week just me and baby. I have done that with all of them, no going out just a chill out day.

ChunkyTurkeywiththetrimmings Tue 01-Jan-13 21:35:17

I am so jealous of the decent things your sure start centres offer. We have loads of centres here but they're mainly clinic/singing/stay & play type sessions. Nothing like zumba. Think they do occassionally offer massage/sensory but will have DD in tow so not an option. Didn't find out about things like that for her until she was too old but did go to a couple of baby groups.

I too have a happy/chilled baby at the mo detective but he hates the car seat unless its moving - whether being carried or in the car. If its still he cries.

I can totally recommend this rocker for fussy babies. A got it for Christmas. It's excellent.

StuntNun Tue 01-Jan-13 21:43:30

What is a Sure Start centre? I take it they don't exist in Northern Ireland along with NHS Direct which sounds like it would be very useful to have here?

NervousReindeer Tue 01-Jan-13 21:46:45

Thanks for the idea stunt we tried that tonight but with no luck and we tried feeding her before she's starving but she didn't want that either, we asked the Hv and she basically said don't give her the boob option let her scream and when she's hungry enough shell take it because she hasn't got another choice but I couldn't do that

chunky my LO is the same, hates the car seat unless its moving

evil DD tried to eat her hands all the time but she constantly has mittens on because she takes chunks out of her face

petite FC for your DD coming home Friday. It's good she's had a walk today

Started bath and bed at 9 and before I had a chance to dry DD she shat everywhere covering her, my legs, towel and blanket then once cleaned again and dressed she decided to puke down herself. Lovely

We go to 2 different groups but because DPs been off work I haven't made as many but were booked onto the baby massage class and were going to go swimming too, I haven't looked at sustain centres but will google now. I like the idea of pram fit too

Ms now in bed but is v raspy, keeps coughing and struggling with bunged up nose. Might try prop up her Moses basket up at one end.
She seems to sleep ok on our chests the last couple of days but hoping I don't have to resort to that.

PR - sorry about your DD. hope she comes off it again soon

Is anyone planning on teaching baby to sign?? I always thought it would be great with my other two as I got so frustrated when they knew what they wanted but had no way of telling me - through work I did my level 1 BSL last year so will hopefully try to teach Dottie some basics.

GTbaby Tue 01-Jan-13 22:14:16

Hugs n prayers for poorly babies.

Nervous was thinking about this today. LO ALWAYs has mittens on. Every time I "try" with out mittens he scratches himself. Should I b giving him "mitten free" time? Is that a thing? Today I was cleaning his hands n noticed he keeps them clenched... I have no idea if this is normal!

On a different note used Ewan for the first time grin harp for bed time feed at 9 N then left it on heart beat. Seemed a little less wriggly smile n kinda calm. Saying that he is generally a good sleeper. Touch wood , cries when hungry or has dirty nappy and occasionally when overly tiered or wants cuddles.
Will have to see how Ewan does long term at getting LO to sleep in his crib at 7pm rather then 9.

blonderthanred Tue 01-Jan-13 22:18:03

Thinking of you and your family PR.

We thought we'd start a proper bedtime routine with the new year: so far he has screamed throughout the relaxing bath, cuddles and massage and has been feeding fussily since 9pm, while DH waits eagerly to read a bedtime story. I don't know about DS but I'm bloody exhausted.

Do we stick with it in the hope it will get easier or go for a more gradual approach? We were doing quite well with night times/sleep but I felt like we should start being more structured. Maybe I should forget it. What have others found?

GTbaby Tue 01-Jan-13 22:18:54

Glenda I would b interested in baby sign. Have no idea where to start though. Have always wanted to learn sign myself, one of those things i never got around to.

horseylady Tue 01-Jan-13 22:31:59

Blonder ds screamed through his first baths. He doesn't now he loves them and gets quite excited about it!! I don't think ditching after one bad experience is the way forward. We carried on and it works ok for us. Day time is a joke but bed time and morning fine!!

Were trying baby sensory and swimming after Xmas. Swimming I'm ESP looking forward to!!! Dh is not water confident and I really want it to be second nature to ds as it is to me (same with being around horses, just be confident even if he doesn't ride!). I've heard good things about the lessons so fingers crossed!! I'm doing a yoga class and taking him with me. I think it will be to sedate for me and make me laugh like preg yoga did, but I'm going with friends!! Then there's a couple of other groups so I'll be busy!!

Passmethecrisps Tue 01-Jan-13 22:33:13

blonder that description sounds much like our bedtime. We plough on with bath, 'relaxing' massage then low key feed and bed. All works fine actually apart from the fact that she cries herself hoarse when getting dried and massage. We don't yet do a story - we might move to that when she is 3 months.

Passmethecrisps Tue 01-Jan-13 22:34:41

P is another one who actually really likes her bath. She does know what is about to happen and seems to get excited but cor blimey does she hate getting out!

PetiteRaleuse Tue 01-Jan-13 22:36:11

We don't have any surestart or any kind of baby or toddler groups apart from Sunday swimming from 4 months. So v jealous of all your activity choices.

Passmethecrisps Tue 01-Jan-13 22:36:35

Oh, and DH is desperate to take P swimming. He loves it. I hate it

blonderthanred Tue 01-Jan-13 22:44:45

Yeah his other baths have been at random times of day and he wasn't keen on the stripping off but didn't mind the water. I just thought maybe we were trying to introduce too much all at once esp as evenings are usually one long feed/doze.

He is in his cot now v unsettled when for the last few weeks he's been happy to go to sleep when put down. I think the whole experience was too exciting! He always had his longest naps after the massage class so I thought that would send him right off. Maybe I'll persevere with that and add the bath in later.

Hope you are all in for restful nights and poorly LOs get some good health-giving sleep.

blonderthanred Tue 01-Jan-13 22:49:19

Oh btw I went to a baby swimming class with a friend and ALL the dads turned up too. Don't know if it was a wobbly ladies in swimsuits thing - but actually think it was more them wanting to be cool dads!

YellowWellies Tue 01-Jan-13 22:52:58

Bizarre but Jonas is another car seat hater unless it's moving OR.... unless you swing the car seat like a swing with him strapped in it. It knackers your arm but even on our worst reflux days five mins of that and he was asleep. On a good day he's asleep in under a min of swinging!

Passmethecrisps Tue 01-Jan-13 23:05:41

P quite likes her car seat. Over Christmas she had a nap in it - I was really unwell and fell asleep. I woke up an hour later to discover her sitting playing with her own hands quite happily. Goodness knows how long she had sat there.

ChunkyTurkeywiththetrimmings Tue 01-Jan-13 23:07:29

For baby signing, I used this with my DD. She did use to use it & actually still uses certain signs she learnt from Something Special, such as "friends" when she's talking about hers...

blonder did you try to do it earlier than normal too? Perhaps it put his natural sleep cycle a bit out of sync. We're introducing bed time routine stuff bit by bit and then will bring it forward to a more appropriate time. It worked with DD - started doing Daddy bed time (change nappy, get pjs on etc) then mummy feeds, all accompanied by lullabies on cd, then put in cot. Later we added a story with the milk. We only bath every other night, but that's obviously down to personal preference...

kirrinIsland Tue 01-Jan-13 23:13:55

YW my car seat is heavy enough without N in it - I can't imagine trying to swing it. Although, if it sent her to sleep in 5 minutes I'd try anything!

Speaking of which a N has literally been asleep all day. She has woken for feeds ANC then gone straight back off again. Should I be worried -- because i am-- Shes feeding well and has wet nappies and seems ok. I am worried we're going to be up all night!

Lane81 Tue 01-Jan-13 23:15:54

Wow detective, those groups sound excellent!

I am also starting baby massage in two weeks, really looking forward to it. Have put my name down for baby signing, but there's a long waiting list. Am going to start baby cinema from next week, I think two things a week are ok for now as still getting used to things. Will start going to SureStart centre from Feb I think.

In terms of routine, I'm planning on being led by her until 6 months. I do have a loose routine that I want her to get into by then so will start guiding her into it (mainly based on convenient nap and feeding times) but if it doesn't work and she's not interested am not going to get upset about it now while she's so young.

CandyPop Tue 01-Jan-13 23:58:09

Ewan working his magic 3rd night in a row!

I know we spoke about this before but it's ok to leave baby in a wet nappy at night right? She hasn't pooed but I know she peed during last feed.

Also notice yesterday and today her poo has turned from the typical yellowy mustard seedy type to slightly more watery browny yellow and not so much seedy. Should I be worried?

ChunkyTurkeywiththetrimmings Wed 02-Jan-13 03:23:30

candy re; nappy. Yes, you can leave them overnight in a wet nappy, particularly a disposable, as they are designed to keep the skin dry. It's one way to "distinguish" night & day for baby. Pops obviously always get changed, buy eventually baby stops going at night/in their sleep.

As for the poo, not sure. It depends how watery iyswim. But its prob only ok if its not very green.

TheDetective Wed 02-Jan-13 04:50:18

I am still awake. I'm getting the rage with myself now. What is wrong with me??! Oscar fed at 11 and settled to sleep. Woke at 345. So I could of had 4 hours sleep. Instead I have had none and he will be awake again in 2 hours.

Fucksake. Daren't take any nytol, because I'm the only one who wakes to the baby crying.

GTbaby Wed 02-Jan-13 05:11:12

Come on Ewan work!

CandyPop Wed 02-Jan-13 05:38:00

Anothe one here willing on Ewan !

CandyPop Wed 02-Jan-13 05:38:51

Wonder across the world how many Ewan's are being played at this moment!

StuntNun Wed 02-Jan-13 06:09:56

Are you stressed Detective? Is something preying on your mind? I find the only thing to do is get up and read a book if I've been lying awake for more than an hour. Don't watch TV or use a computer or phone because the light from the screen suppresses melanin production. I hope you got some sleep.

PetiteRaleuse Wed 02-Jan-13 06:13:48

Is it me or are these threads getting quieter at night? Or are we just too exhausted to write much? LO is doing 6 hours at night now, though that can start at anything from 10 to 2. Then she's up for a quick feed and back down again for a couple of hours.

Sophiathesnowfairy Wed 02-Jan-13 07:27:50

They are pr . Olly now doesn't wake till around five and I am really trying to feed and put down quickly. Though the last few days after a couple of ounces At 05:00 he won't have his breakfast.i am going for the cooed boiled water tonight I think.

Thechick Wed 02-Jan-13 07:38:16

I'm still here at night, but I'm usually catching up. H has been up about every hour and a half since bedtime at 7, but I've literally only done the feeds and gone back to sleep, dh has brought him to me then burped him and put him back. He's currently on my chest as he was having such trouble breathing in the cot. Think we will need to prop it up so his head is a bit higher.
Can't believe it's 2013, the past year has gone so quickly it's unbelievable. Thanks all for mentioning the sure start. I've started investigating. Quite excited to see what's out there.
Detective I think you asked about dp's and play groups. I went with dh to one and everyone was really friendly. People came up to us and said hello which was really lovely, but that's the only one I've been to.

I looked into baby sign with ds1 and I think it's a great idea but I've heard that it can delay them talking. I decided not to go with it. And routines, we've been trying to impose a routine on the LO because he's such a bad sleeper but we haven't been doing it for long but I think it's too early in the day, we start at around 7. He still sleeps a lot during the day and hasn't got a pattern yet of when he'll be awake, so it's hard to know when to have bedtime.

He has his 12 wk jabs tomo. Hope he doesn't react again.

Thechick Wed 02-Jan-13 07:41:10

He didn't react with his 8 wk only sleepy and I'm hoping that happens again.

katkit1 Wed 02-Jan-13 07:55:56

we're still awake in the night 01:30/03:30/06:00 but feeds quickly then straight back into cot after a quick hug - not mucking about with lights on or computer screen light (anything to keep the sleep coming)

CandyPop Wed 02-Jan-13 08:10:42

I'm still here! Not so much that she's sleeping longer stretches but she settles a lot quicker.... Feeds then sleep. Last night fed more regular intervals as dh has a temperature so slept in other room so I did the whole night. I kept on thinkin she pooed so would check and t which then rouses her... Normally dh can coax her back to sleep but as its mummy milk machine holdin her she decides she'll have a feed! She was fed 1.40 , 4 then 5.30 ... Was about to have to feed at 7.15 but then dh came in held her and she instantly nodded off!! That's so not fair!! Lol

ChunkyTurkeywiththetrimmings Wed 02-Jan-13 08:44:37

chick I haven't found that sign delayed my DD talking at all. I think that, at 2.8, she has quite an extensive vocabulary and a lot of adults understand her well (which is a developmental stage, usually 3yo are expected to be understood by strangers) - people have commented on how well she talks for months. Unfortunately, in her enthusiastic and keen toddler way, she will start up conversations with people that are completely out of context, which means it can be harder for them to understand. I think sign would delay language if you didn't do anything else - if you didn't say the word at the same time, for example, such as biscuit or milk or whatever, and didn't talk or sing to them and so on. It was helpful in those early months of language acquisition to help avoid tantrums as DD knew what she wanted but couldn't always say...

ChunkyTurkeywiththetrimmings Wed 02-Jan-13 08:52:38

I'm here a bit at night - it depends. Last night was horrendous though, but not because DS wouldn't sleep, he couldn't. He slept from his feed at around 9, half 11 realised he wasn't stirring, so changed bum, dream feed then in basket. Awake at 3.10, fed, but fussed about on & off (fast flow I think & v full boob) then had a v v wet nappy so changed, inc sleepsuit because covered in milk, he's dozing off & promptly pukes everywhere. Cue change of clothes. More fussing, so more milk but doesn't want it, try dummy, makes him gag, then he poos. Change nappy, he fusses a bit about being winded, yawn. Put him in basket & he self-settles to sleep (although DH's coughing fit woke up slightly, so it took 2x as long!). If the whole process hadn't taken 2hrs, it would've been a successful night!!

He did sleep until 7.45 though & has gone back to sleep, so, so am I!! smile

nillynoon Wed 02-Jan-13 09:04:05

Can I join? Toby is 7 weeks old, breastfed, and had me up most of last night, knackered!

StuntNun Wed 02-Jan-13 09:07:56

Is Ewan just for night time or does he work for day time naps? I'm holding J most of the day because he wakes as soon as he goes into his cot.

CandyPop Wed 02-Jan-13 09:18:01

I mainly use it at night. I've tried using Ewan during day (with a different sound so she doesn't confuse day and night) but it doesn't seem to work. I think it's because during the day she is sleeping more lightly whereas nights she's kinda sleepy and Ewan just helps to send her over the edge !

StuntNun Wed 02-Jan-13 09:22:57

Welcome Nilly, my James is seven weeks tomorrow. He would have been Toby if I had my way but it was DH's turn to choose the name this time since I chose the last two although DH did get to name the dog and the cat.

I know this is not what sleep deprived mummies want to hear but I have to share it before I burst!

BOTH girls slept through the night! 11:15pm-6:45am! I nearly burst with happiness. I just hope it continues or will be eBaying them

I love Gina Ford!

horseylady Wed 02-Jan-13 09:57:58

Yay garden!!!

Ds as predicted woke screaming at 4!!! Shame. 10 days of sleeping through was quite nice!! He's ill though so can forgive him!!

nillynoon Wed 02-Jan-13 10:01:07

My friend (I'm in Scotland, she's in Kent) is due in a few weeks and her wee man will be Toby too, it seems to be having a wee surge in popularity!

Well done gardenpixies on the great sleeps!

horsey - DT1 was very unsettled at night after her vaccinations. It took about 2 weeks for her to settle in the evenings again.

The girls have their second immunisations today. Dreading it.

Lane81 Wed 02-Jan-13 10:02:42

Garden, that's amazing! How old are they now? I'm working towards GF but was going to be baby led until she's 12 wks with aim of sticking to it from 6 months. Did you have much resistance to implementing it?

Thanks nilly and welcome smile

Lane81 Wed 02-Jan-13 10:03:28

Welcome nily!

nilly Im in Kent too although prob nowhere near your friend!

Ever since Q turned 6 weeks her sleep is awful, she doesn't sleep unless held so I cant get anything done, ds is missing out on mummy time and dh has gone back to work today and Im finding it hard sad

horseylady Wed 02-Jan-13 10:21:49

Garden - thanks. He was unsettled so I knew it was going to happen and was prepared!! Poor soul. He was fine though. Woke up, drank 3oz straight back to sleep.

I then woke up him at 730 (he was stirring) and he had another 4oz so hopefully his feeding will get back on track!

He's so full if cold again though and really hoarse sounding.

ValiumQueen Wed 02-Jan-13 10:34:02

nilly there are a few of us in Scotland. We plan to meet up at some point.

I am still having bad nights, but J is getting easier to settle, and is settling himself at times. I am getting 1 longer stretch of 3-5 hours, then 1-2 hours for rest of night. He is settling earlier too. He is still not right with his chest and wakes so full of gunk. I can feed him lying down again thankfully. I lay so there is no chance of me rolling over and when he is done, he rolls his head away. I often fall asleep doing this, but only a light sleep, not a proper refreshing sleep.

I have stopped MNing at night as it keeps him more awake, and I miss out on the gazing into each others eyes. It will not be long until he is sleeping through, and I am never doing this again.

Passmethecrisps Wed 02-Jan-13 10:40:19

Welcome nilly

P has been pretty unsettled the last few days - I did wonder if she was teething but I now suspect it is her meds. Poor wee soul is awfully grumpy.

ValiumQueen Wed 02-Jan-13 10:41:28

I had a serious discussion with DH last night. I am not enjoying feeding J as much as I did the girls, but that is because he has not been well. It is not his fault or mine. I cannot stop or mix feed as I cannot allow myself to treat him different to the girls. I am not sure formula would help anyway. He is nearly 10 weeks old so I am over the worst. However, when he starts solids, at around 24 weeks, I will allow a cup of formula if I need to go out etc. I still haven't given him a bottle of expressed, and he would probably refuse a bottle now. I will defrost it at the weekend to try.

Thechick Wed 02-Jan-13 10:45:23

Thanks for the info chunky. Might look into it again.
garden that's such great news. Can't wait till my LO starts sleeping for good stretches regularly. It will happen one day (hopefully!)

ChunkyTurkeywiththetrimmings Wed 02-Jan-13 10:50:42

VQ J's sleep patterns seem similar to A's. I'm hoping gaps will continue to get longer too!! I'm also thinking of trying a bottle at the weekend, just to see if he'll take one, as I'm not fussed about it being a regular thing.

It has been harder for you with him being ill, plus you've had a trickier pg with your leg etc & the girls to consider, I'm not surprised you've not enjoyed it as much. I have found nights harder this time. I don't think formula would make any difference to the poor nights, DH still wouldn't/couldn't help so I'd just be making more work for myself with sterilising etc. Keep up the good work though - you're doing fab!!

PetiteRaleuse Wed 02-Jan-13 10:50:56

VQ sorry you are having a tough time with feeding. As always, do what is best for you both smile

Please can everyone cross theor fingers for DD1? The intern is asking the consultant if she can be discharged. Won't know until the end of rounds but if you can all send hypnotic thoughts in the direction of Luxembourg saying " you WILL discharge DD1, you will you will you WILL" then it might help.

LO OTOH is still coughing but no breathing feeding or fever issues so will wait another day...

ChunkyTurkeywiththetrimmings Wed 02-Jan-13 10:52:05

Hi nilly my LO is 7wks too.

Well done gardenDTs smile

Sophiathesnowfairy Wed 02-Jan-13 11:05:03

Welcome nilly every bloody one is in Scotland. Thinking about a move wink

Well done garden long may it continue, how many weeks are your DTs now?

Have just had my post natal depression talk and Olly has been weighed. 12 lb 5pz after all his Christmas excess!!!

In other news....I am looking into transferring some of my maternity leave to DH! shock this is because I want to leave and i need to work a year or pay back my maternity pay, and as you know we will be moving to NI in September, so the plan is:

Go back to work end of March and DH takes my last month of maternity
Work until end of Sept
Take the two 3month unpaid childcare breaks I am entitled to

Voila 1 year worked for the company

Alternatively pray for a VR package, quite possible but not sure if it will affect me we will see.

A the moment The woman in HR doesn't know what I am talking about. Think I just to unlucky with the person I spoke to. Double checked Citizens advice, I can transfer my entitlement.

Catbag Wed 02-Jan-13 11:11:55

gardenpixies Well done to you! I am, however, most envy

blonderthanred Wed 02-Jan-13 11:15:08

VQ I'm sorry to read that you're not enjoying feeding J so much but lovely that you are enjoying the eye-gazing - I also try to avoid using my phone for this reason also it is on DH bedside table.

I don't think it would matter too much if you did anything slightly different from your girls but I think you are right that formula would not make much difference, the issue is that he has been so poorly. I can understand you wanting to dig your heels in though as obvs I have felt like this too for different reasons.

Funnily enough we are just trying L on his first bottle of ebm. He took some of it ok but then spluttered a bit and got upset so wouldn't take the rest. Am not wasting it so will try again once he is calmer and if not then syringe or try straight from storage cup. DH gave him the bottle to try and differentiate. I am hopeful that he will get used to the idea. Has J had a dummy at all?

blonderthanred Wed 02-Jan-13 11:21:14

fingers xed PR

pikz Wed 02-Jan-13 11:28:02

Crossing everything PR.

VQ you have done an amazing job in horrible circumstances and I would not have managed like you have. You know way more than me but I found L didn't take as well to defrosted milk as fresh so you might want to try fresh..

Ok ish night here. 1.40/3.40/6.40 and then 9.30. Just would love some longer stretches. Milk supply slowly coming back but still scraping by managing for every feed to be expressed milk. Will have to see how it goes. May end up with one bottle of formula a day just to keep up. He seems a very hungry boy taking on average 32oz of EBM a day at 5 weeks. Is this normal?

pikz Wed 02-Jan-13 11:28:41

Garden I am pleases and very jealous!!

PetiteRaleuse Wed 02-Jan-13 11:48:49

Consultant said no. Maybe this evening.

ValiumQueen Wed 02-Jan-13 11:53:54

pikz coming from you, that is a real compliment smile you are right about the frozen milk, so I will express a wee bit for J to try fresh. Part of me thinks I would not have time or energy to express as well, but it may well be worth the effort. I expressed loads with the girls.

And blonder thanks

Thanks also to everyone else x

I remember feeling similar at around this stage with the girls - feeling like the baby only wants me for milk. And DS wants milk all the time it seems. I think these two weeks have been challenging as I have had all three. I am looking forward to school restarting, and feel guilty for that.

I am tired and missing my chocolate treats and cheese sandwiches.

I need to get into a routine to feel in control, and school will help with this.

Awwwwww hugs pr I know you want her one asap, but better she gets fully well first to avoid relapses and further stress with a return o hospital xx she will get there - be strong xx

vq do what you've got to do and if that means pulling dh up and getting more support then so be it - you're doing an amazing job xx

Had pn checkup at drs today all is well except for the palaver trying to book in for the implant - I need to be on my period to have it, explained bf'ing so may be some time and need contraception now so receptionist booked me in for next tues and we'll just have to see if the dr will do it!!!!

Dh has gone bak to work today so gonna attempt to tidy up in lieu of HV visit tomorrow - not looking forward to seeing the useless bint but will be good to see how much dots weighs now - I reckon she'll be 10lb or so

PetiteRaleuse Wed 02-Jan-13 12:16:07

I know Glenda, and we're following Dr's lead. The intern wanted to discharge but the consultant wants to see hw she goes without oxygen this afternoon. The problem is she is well enough to be causing havoc, and well enough to be kept awake by the other patient (a baby) and its mum (snorer) last night. So if it rest she needs she will get more at home.

If the afternoon goes wellwith no oxygen she'll be out. Otherwise overnight she'll ave more to rest her lungs. Something bad would have to happen for her not to be out by tomorrow evening though.

VQ 10 weeks is coming up to another growth spurt isn't it?

ValiumQueen Wed 02-Jan-13 12:27:28

Sodding growth spurts grin I think DS has been on a spurt since birth.

ValiumQueen Wed 02-Jan-13 12:28:50

So have I actually, judging by the size of my arse!

horseylady Wed 02-Jan-13 13:27:44

I think they're constantly growth spurting!

Piks- sounds about right? I think Ds drinks between 32 and 36 a day. He's coming up to 12lb now. He's eating less the last few days as he's full of cold again. I was told 150-200ml per kg body weight. So I tend to offer 8oz at every feed but generally chuck an oz or more!! But one or two feeds a day he eats that much?!

We start swimming lessons next wed

horseylady Wed 02-Jan-13 13:28:47

Petite I was told 9 weeks then 12 weeks then 18 weeks.
The 9 week one was a mini one!!

StuntNun Wed 02-Jan-13 14:02:40

I gave my first two formula when I started weaning them VQ. They were still being breastfed but it saved on having to express which I found got more difficult after the first few months. I'll probably do the same with James as those cartons are so convenient when you're out and you want to give a bottle. Unfortunately DS2 wouldn't take a bottle so had a sippy cup which was quite messy when he was small.

I'm just back from an all team go to Tesco - full shop with all three boys. It was a great success I just ignored the dirty looks from the other shoppers when the older two boys were kicking each other/chasing each other round the shop.

In other news J is farting like mad. I knew I should have made more effort to wind him last night!

Lane81 Wed 02-Jan-13 14:14:13

It does actually feel like they are always on a bloody growth spurt!

PetiteRaleuse Wed 02-Jan-13 14:24:16

Ha I have been googling growth spurts this afternoon and no two sites seem to agree, other than babies put on heaps of weight at varying speeds grin

In two hours I should know if DD1 is coming home tonight. Today is going very slowly.

Thanks everyone smile

It was probably a fluke and they will scream all night tonight!

Girls had their 12 week vaccinations today, they screamed the surgery down sad

sophia they are 13 weeks & 4 days old

Fingers x'd pr good news she's on the mend!!!

I think growth spurts must vary baby to baby depending on weight, appetite position of mars etc...

Dottie has been feeding since we got back from drs - sh won't go down for a nap!!! She's quite snuffly so maybe she's not feeling all that unless it's the start of another growth spurt lol

I've just had an email from uni inviting me to an into day on 16th jan eeeeeek!!!! It's really happening!!!! Better start expressing so dh has a bountiful supply!!!

While chained to the sofa I've been messaging childminders so I can find someone we like and get them booked- hopefully found one who will not only take Dottie but will be able to collect Tallulah from school too - think I'd feel better knowing my girls will be spending time together nd one stop would make life easier for dh!!!

Any questions I should ask the childminders???

DD is having her first proper nap on the day without me having to hold her, I just plonked her down on the sofa because I needed to change ds and shes just stayed there drifting in and out of sleep. If I new she was going to sleep I'd have put her in her bed!

Now Im spending the whole time hissing at ds to keep away from her.

TooManyDicksOnTheDancefloor Wed 02-Jan-13 15:04:35

Well, after having stints of seven hours sleep between 7pm and 2am we decided to wake Bronwen at 11pm last night for a dream feed. The feed went well, she barely woke and went straight back down, only to wake at 2am! I don't understand it, she should have lasted until at least 4am. Not sure whether to try it again tonight or not. The baby whisper does say you need wait three days for a change to take effect.

Hope your daughter comes home to you tonight PR

PetiteRaleuse Wed 02-Jan-13 15:27:53

Yay! Yay! Yay!

They're coming home this evening. She has been off oxygen for 8 hours including nap and meal time. They'e just waiting for her canula to be taken out and then they are out of there.

LO on the other hand has lost her appetite, so will definitely take her in tomorrow to be checked out before the weekend. not massivley, she has eaten half so far of what she would usually eat in a day, but enough to act as a warning.

But one at a time is better than both at once.

I'm so happy. I've been so scared and lonely and worried.

PR Fingers crossed!

Warning in advance of a moan.
DH is back at work today and M and I are on day 6 of this horrible cold. I don't feel as bad as I did but not great on the energy states.
I'm getting fed up of what a shit hole my house is though. There's presents that need sorting and putting away, washing that needs doing/drying/ironing. Kitchen needs a clean, as does the bathroom and the whole house needs hoovering. That's before doing things like sorting Ms clothes and I've still her thank you cards to write.
I just haven't the energy at the moment but it stresses me out seeing it all and thinking of the long to do list. Plus when M falls asleep on me she won't be put down.

Please tell me it will get easier and my house isn't going to be this disorganised for ever?

We've also been having boiler trouble, got a plumber coming tomorrow but hoping to keep it going until Spring and then get it replaced. There's another inconvenience and huge expense sad

Isn't there a big growth spurt at 6weeks? M is 6 weeks I Friday so looks like we'll be going straight from her and me being poorly in to a feedathon!

Oooh cross post there PR Yay for you! That's fab

Sophiathesnowfairy Wed 02-Jan-13 15:56:56

Don't think it is going to work, has to be while I am on full pay which is 26 weeks after mat leave, but can not be before the baby is 20 weeks. So will probably not work for many people. I left on 1st Oct, Olly was born on 8th Nov, most people would give themselves at least two weeks befor due date and lots of babies are late so the rules mean that you can't transfer anything worthwhile. And i know get good maternity provision....unless i can transfer statuatory pay, must look into it. Stupid idea though, is set to fail. A bit angry

DonnaDoon Wed 02-Jan-13 16:10:35

Yay PR I am so pleased for you I had my fingers crossed.

DonnaDoon Wed 02-Jan-13 16:15:55

VQ This might sound nuts and those with DSs are going to think Im
talking poo but I have 2 boys and 2 girls and much more enjoyed feeding the girls ...they seem more appreciative even at this age lol

ValiumQueen Wed 02-Jan-13 16:43:46

donna interesting! grin

PR good news!

sophia seems a daft system. There must be a way of making it work. How about starting a thread to see if anyone has done it?

fatima it does get better. Your house will never be as tidy again, but it will be liveable. You will get more time and energy.

ChunkyTurkeywiththetrimmings Wed 02-Jan-13 16:50:23

smile PR

TheDetective Wed 02-Jan-13 16:55:37

You can share statutory. That's what we are doing. I'm having 6 months at stat plus occupational mat pay. Dp is having 3 months when it drops to just stat pay.

Lane81 Wed 02-Jan-13 17:41:00

Great news PR!

Fatima, I felt exactly the same but since 6 wks things have got a lot easier, LO can be out down with some toys and seems to enjoy "chatting" and smiling at them for a bit, long enough to do something like load washing/shower etc. I take her from room to room with me. It's still hard, but wanted to say it does get a bit easier!

blonderthanred Wed 02-Jan-13 18:03:04

PR that is fab. Hopefully LO is just having a blip and its nothing serious.

PetiteRaleuse Wed 02-Jan-13 18:13:01

Thank you all for your support this last week. I've hardly been able to talk about it in real life as we can't let the ILs know when the kids are ill (long story) so I've been avoiding facebook (lifeline to friends in UK) and just spoken to my family as couldn't risk anyone mentioning anything on Facebook.

So you've been a lifeline. Thank you.

Right, I just cracked open a bottle of champagne so shall now relax until LO goes to see Dr tomorrow.

YellowWellies Wed 02-Jan-13 18:17:52

Yey PR AWESOME!!!! What lovely news.

Fatima 6 week growth spurt was a doozy in our house and launched J onto his reflux career! I'm sure though that without the reflux it really wouldn't have been so bad.

Thankfully we seem to be on the right meds now and he is much the happy bunny and is back to his old sleep routine of 10.30 til 5, then 5.30 til 8.30! Today though all he is doing is sleeping so I am wary he is going to be a vampire tonight! Anyone with an impossible to settle screamy baby - even if they are not spitting up it can be reflux and / or a dietary intolerance. I'm now 14 days off dairy and soy (try finding a loaf of bread without them in) and the difference is quite stark actually. Jonas is back to being a smiley wee boy.

8 days til we move house - WHOOP! I can't wait to be close to my sister and MM and their LOs. Am just so glad we have got packers as otherwise I would be despairing. DH goes back to work tomorrow and he has been doing everything over the holidays. It's going to be a shock to be flying solo again with the fraggle. My only mission is to undecorate the tree. How hard can it be? hmm

Still not long and I'll be south with lots of lovely company.

Jackz133 Wed 02-Jan-13 18:35:51

Marking space

Dixiebell Wed 02-Jan-13 18:42:16

Am quite chuffed with myself for surviving first day of DH back at work after Xmas on my own with the two boys. We even managed to retain the same pair if trousers for ds1 all day, on day 3 of potty training. won't mention the one pooing on the bathroom floor incident . Admittedly DH went in late and came home early, and nana was here for some of it, and we watched tge whole of Jungle Book on DVD as well as much Peppa Pig, but still...

Dixiebell Wed 02-Jan-13 18:45:13

Anyone else's LO have an uncanny knack of waking for a feed as soon as any food is served? Happens every night as I sit down to eat dinner, and today as soon as I gave ds1 his lunch and tea, had to sit at table and try and get yoghurts and fruit from kitchen while feeding. How do they know?!

StuntNun Wed 02-Jan-13 18:51:43

My mum's advice when I had my first, Fatima, was to do one thing each day. If you can do more than one, great, but try to do one thing whether it's writing five cards, vacuuming the house, etc. It helps prevent you from feeling so overwhelmed that you don't get anything done. Longer term I would recommend Flylady.net for keeping on top of housework. She gives you some things to do every day (clean sink, load of laundry, quick clean of bathroom, get dressed) then a structure for the rest of the week. Mine is Monday - kitchen and order groceries online, Tuesday - living and dining room, Wednesday - kids' room, Thursday - bedroom and put away groceries, Friday - bathrooms and paperwork, Sunday - change sheets. Saturday is family fun day. You also get a daily mission, e.g. wiping down the kitchen cupboard doors, spending 15 minutes sorting your clothes pile. It really helps you keep on top of day to day chores and the missions allow you to make progress on clutter, etc.

ChunkyTurkeywiththetrimmings Wed 02-Jan-13 18:56:41

fatima I felt completely overwhelmed the other day when DH & DD were ill, DS wanted me a lot & the housework had backed up. Another wise mum said to me "sod the housework, it'll be there tomorrow". As for M needing holding, have you a carrier or a rocker (the fisher price one I linked the other day is ace)? I does get easier & I do understand feeling miserable looking around at the devastation but there aren't any prizes for having a perfect house...

As for thank you notes, could you get pre-printed ones? We used ones from Optimal Print. People loved the photos & we just had to address the envelopes.

Have just tried DS on am avent bottle with 2oz of ebm. Not a go-er but will try tommee tippee bottles another day. Can I leave the current bottle in the fridge & try again later? It's fresh milk. Obv can't be frozen but it took 2 mins to pump so not worth worrying about really!!

TheDetective Wed 02-Jan-13 18:58:05

Yippeeeeeeeeee PR! Hope you are all back together again now, and lots of lovely cuddles and chilling time for you all!

YW I am so jealous of you being able to use a packing company. I hated moving house, just for the packing/unpacking! I'd love to move from here when the negative equity days are behind me to somewhere a little bigger so we can squish another baby in maybe one day. I'd really just like more storage space though. But the thought of moving fills me with fear! And with a tiny baby - you are insane woman!

For those asking about Ewan - we use him for nap times that require more than just a quick cuddle asleep. If he is tired and struggling to sleep, Ewan calms the fight down! He is currently asleep, in the car seat, with Ewan harping away at him! I use him even when not going to sleep to be honest. He likes it. He relaxes a to it. So we use it at play time too sometimes. If I think it will help, it goes on! Just depends I guess - I wing it really. Instinct smile

So after talking about a bath with him last night, I decided to just go and do it! He we loved it! We got big smiles from him! We stayed in for about 20 minutes, and he didn't show any sign of wanting to get out. I had to get out though as the layer of skin which had amassed at the top of the water had grossed me out. Had to lather him up in oilatum after, as I was worried about his poor skin! We just did plain water too!

So because of yesterdays success, we had another today - put a few lavender bubbles in, and gave him a bubble beard grin, and DS1 joined in while DP had a nap! Was lots of fun! His skin was fine this time, no shedding. In fact, his skin seems a lot better at the minute, apart from on the side of his leg, towards his groin which is red and looks sore. Am going to go to baby clinic tomorrow, so will get it looked at. Think it needs treatment, as it isn't clearing despite using different nappy rash creams, oilatum, and airing it. (Not all at the same time, obv!). Although it doesn't hurt him, it needs clearing, poor thing! It is right where the nappy lies, rubbing against it.

My new year eating isn't going too well. The shops had nothing I wanted, so have ended up with stuff not so healthy for tea! I mean, how can Asda run out of potato?!!

TheDetective Wed 02-Jan-13 19:03:46

Well, my first pregnancy did not ruin my boobs. This pregnancy has destroyed them.

They were my only plus point. Now they are a very negative point. Saggy empty sacks r us.

They won't get any better either. That is it. Exercise can't tone tits!


ChunkyTurkeywiththetrimmings Wed 02-Jan-13 19:10:39

detective once your hormones have settled, your boobs might settle too & fill out a little. Remember the milk ducts expand & can displace the fat. Once the milk ducts shrink, there is nothing there. Once your hormones are sorted, you might find you get some fat in them again... Fc huh? hmm

CandyPop Wed 02-Jan-13 19:26:14

dixies yep! My LO is so clever that she waits to the last minute where we all sat down and about to put the first mouthful in our mouths hmm

pr great news, champagne well deserved! You have coped amazingly and fingers cross that the LO gets sorted soon too

TheDetective Wed 02-Jan-13 19:43:08

It's is a very rare thing to have a sleeping baby when any kind of food is served in this house! Sleeping or awake would be fine, but not 'play with me, feed me, rock me to sleep' type whinges which are the usual accompaniment!

Tonight has been no different. I ate my tea. Now I'm holding him as he doesn't want to be put down but wants to sleep...! DP and DS having tea now. hmm

TheDetective Wed 02-Jan-13 19:46:14

Fingers have cramp from crossing chunky!

ValiumQueen Wed 02-Jan-13 19:52:34

They wake up as it usually goes quieter when everyone sits down to eat. That is my theory anyway.

chunky I used to keep a bottle to hand for 1 hour max then chuck if it had already been started. Any longer risks germ build up.

Evilwater Wed 02-Jan-13 20:00:15

Detecive- I have all The potatos at my house grin.

Very good day, cracked day time naps. LO has associated darkness with sleep, so once the black up curtain was up he was fast asleep. Still working on nights, thou.

Also walked alot today, felt great apart from my blisters. Horsey would be proud.

I'm hopping to catch up on the thread.

Evilwater Wed 02-Jan-13 20:10:20

PR- it's great news. I'm so happy that everything is on the up. Huge unmumnetty hugs. grin.


Evilwater Wed 02-Jan-13 20:15:40

Oh 2nd round of jabs tomorrow. Why can't I just have one happy baby for a day, without colic, teething, and general grumpyness.


Thanks Stunt and chunky I did mange to do 2 loads of washing today so that's something. I'll have a look at that website too.
The thank you cards are photo ones from snapfish, I wanted to write something on the back like "thank you for the lovely dress" but I might just end up writing names on the envelopes and leave it at that smile

Detective M loves coming in the bath with me. Really calms her, she loves swishing her head about in the water smile
Only problem is she often decides she wants boob halfway through so I end up in a tepid bath for ages

Sophiathesnowfairy Wed 02-Jan-13 20:42:57

fatima sounds like my house! On Sunday night I arrived back from Ireland with bags full of washing from Christmas and full washing baskets I had left behind. My bathroom is covered In a sheen of dump dust < yuk emoticon> everywhere needs a Hoover and a dust and there is a line of farm animals marching across the living room floor.

It will get better. Honest! You will regain control.

I don't think that DH wants to swap me for my statutory as I am going back to work then and not taking that, as we are running tight to budget on the house..oo I will put a photo of my sexy footings on fb.....

MissMummy1 Wed 02-Jan-13 20:59:49

New series of OBEM starts on ch4 in 2 mins! (must not cry...) blush

Evilwater Wed 02-Jan-13 21:05:28

I'm watching Africa in BBC1 and its very good.

Passmethecrisps Wed 02-Jan-13 21:12:45

Brilliant news PR. You must be so pleased to get your family back together again.

I saw the advert for OBEM earlier and said to Dh that I find it amazing that I gave birth. I find it very bizarre that I squeezed a baby out!

Said baby is snorting and snuffling on the floor (in her basket) - she is SUCH a noisy sleeper.

YW I was thinking of you earlier as the howling gale whirled crap about my garden. Will still be nothing in comparison to up you way though.

P loves her bath - smiles and swishes and kicks - she HATES getting out though. Proper hysterics!

Passmethecrisps Wed 02-Jan-13 21:13:43

Ah evil I would much rather be watching that. We are watching The Sheild on love film on demand

Passmethecrisps Wed 02-Jan-13 21:15:12

Oh, and we have our first road trip tomorrow. Off to the parent's to meet my sister's baby for the first time. He was born 2 days before P. they started off the same weight and are now 3Ibs apart - I can't weight to see then together

Evilwater Wed 02-Jan-13 21:29:37

Oh good feeling gone sad

Passmethecrisps Wed 02-Jan-13 21:33:10

Why evil? Your LO? Did a gazelle get nommed?

Passmethecrisps Wed 02-Jan-13 21:33:39

Seriously, everything ok in evil house?

Evilwater Wed 02-Jan-13 21:34:23

No little baby birds, by huge meat eating crickets.

Evilwater Wed 02-Jan-13 21:35:25

That should be * eaten by

Passmethecrisps Wed 02-Jan-13 21:45:28

Oh no . . . It's different if it's a lion or something but crickets?!

I was watching a thing about baby animals in the snow - had to turn it over when the inevitable happened and a baby penguin loses its parents. Have always been soppy about nature programmes but can't cope at all any more.

Evilwater Wed 02-Jan-13 21:49:54

Well I'm off to bed, before LO wakes up!

Sophiathesnowfairy Wed 02-Jan-13 21:53:43

Oh no evil that is not so good.

My good feeling is gone as the girls were messing about and to settling till 9 ish. Their dad is quite strict but I think he must let them get away with murder at bedtime as they are a nightmare here. Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh I am up and down the stairs like a yoyo.

I have just ordered a children's relaxation and meditation cd of amazon. Any tips anyone 8 and 6?

TheDetective Wed 02-Jan-13 21:59:11

Can't weight.... ROFL! grin That made me chuckle lots pass!

Fatima I'd just be inclined to reach with my foot or shout DP to top the bath up with some slow running warm water!

The swinging chair has finally come in to use. He doesn't like it awake! He is in it at the minute as the car seat which he prefers for naps seems to be overheating him. He was coming out one big pile of sweat. Even with no blanket. And in a vest. WTF? So, I got him to sleep, and then put him in the swinging chair swaddled. It is quite a lie flat one, and got it on its lowest swing setting. He seems to be happy, and has been in it for 45 minutes now. I don't understand why he is getting so hot in the car seat. I could try taking out the head hugger and putting the sheep skin liner in so he still feels snuggled. But if the swinging chair gives similar results for naps, then i'll give that a chance first.

I was reading on a thread about what not to buy for your new baby, people saying not to bother buying toys for babies under 3 months. Mine loves them. The noiser the better hmm. We have lots of different toys, books, play mats etc. He loves the cot mobile, the light show, his play mats (both of them!!), and now the vibrating bouncer too. Things like chiming toys, rainmakers, wrist rattles and mirrors all go down well too. Maybe I am over stimulating him. But he enjoys it. He has time to just kick his legs and entertain himself, then when he starts to grizzle, mummy appears with the fun stuff! Yesterday he spent 45 minutes chilling on the play mat, batting toys and kicking his legs. Then he fell asleep.

Am I setting myself up for a life time of hard work?!

TheDetective Wed 02-Jan-13 22:03:15

I put some lavender essential oil (2 drops) on a tissue last night, and stuck it by DS on his pillow in the hope that he would be more chilled out today, as he has been a bit argumentative lately!

Worked too well. He woke at 1pm. blush

Might do it again tonight!!

PetiteRaleuse Wed 02-Jan-13 22:06:46

Toys are great for under three months and will be well used til at least 6 months.

Evil I watched Africa too (I have Freeview via satellite. ) It was the giraffes that upset me.

Even though am worried about DD2 I am so happy to have DD1 home. She is so much better, and hasn't forgotten how to get up to mischief.

PetiteRaleuse Wed 02-Jan-13 22:08:06

<Adds lavender essential oil to shopping list> for use after all illnesses cleared up

ChunkyTurkeywiththetrimmings Wed 02-Jan-13 22:14:26

Feel weird - A upstairs in Moses basket asleep, me downstairs. I know this was going to happen at some point & given that DS seemed to be sleeping from a roughly 9pm feed through to about 3, with an almost dream feed between 11 & 12ish (last night he barely woke for it) for the last few nights, it seemed sensible to make that his bed time. Not sure how it will work when I finally get DD going to bed at a more reasonable time, but fingers crossed. I think this is the furthest I've been away from him since he was born & obviously before, he was even closer but its only for an hr or so & the monitor is on & I'll get fit running up & down every couple of minutes smile

Will prob not be on here again tonight, trying to get in better sleep habits. So night all, wishing everyone long sleeps & content babies.

georgee Wed 02-Jan-13 22:18:35

Hi all. Happy New Year! Have been reading but unable to post due to limpet baby and lively toddler and unwieldy laptop! So pleased PR that your DD is coming home, have been thinking of you. Hope your LO gets better soon too.

All OK here. J - 5 weeks today - much prefers napping/sleeping on or next to us so I'm another one with a chaotic house. DH off work til Mon and has been doing any housework that has been achieved. I can't imagine what things will be like when he goes back. Will stop thinking about that now or will cry!

We have all had colds and James has now had one for most of his life, having developed one at 2 weeks which hasn't really left him. Saline drops have been our friend!

Thanks for letting me know what your viewing preferences were this eve. We watched Escape to the Country on catch-up then a documentary on Queen Victoria. Rock and roll. Will be avoiding OBEM because nethers are still sore five weeks later and I could do without the reminder until they're all healed up 2016 at this rate.

Ooh, and have ordered a Ewan thanks to you lovely ladies!

Sophiathesnowfairy Wed 02-Jan-13 22:19:26

detective you are a wonder. I have a lavender rolly thing I will dig it out and use tomorrow. Has got to be better than threats which I am rubbish at I never know what to threaten. This is me..."if you don't settle down I'll.... Urm......you better go to sleep. I am really cross" I feel like a rubbish mum at this minute. Hopefully will feel better tomorrow.

Passmethecrisps Wed 02-Jan-13 22:26:31

Doh! I didn't even notice that wrong weight/wait! What a divvy.

We watched a Queen Victoria doc this morning on iPlayer. I had an extra hour and come down to DH snuggled on the sofa with p and the cat watching that. We are obviously also rock and roll.

CandyPop Wed 02-Jan-13 22:32:25

Go go Ewan!! Night night all!

horseylady Wed 02-Jan-13 22:36:04

No ds doesn't really do toys. He laughed at a rattle on Sunday. He's cried every other time.

Some days he likes the playmat. Most days he doesn't. He doesn't mind the chair. He's not really interested in books, teddies, musical things etc. He likes mummy and daddy. Cuddling us or sitting on us. Right at the end of our knees!! Or standing on us bouncing. or leaning up our legs looking at the world. But toys. No. Baby sensory Monday should be interesting. And possibly a waste of time!! Or maybe the breakthrough we need lol!!

I think I've upset dh. It's my birthday next week and he wants to play in a big game, which happens once a month or slightly more often. These big games last all night as the whole team plays, so that's 5 games, plus socialising afterwards. I asked him to find out what time the first game was and if he could play first then maybe we could eat at the pub opposite the club. He won't be finished ti 8.40 so we won't eat till 9 and my family and him will have work the following day. I said it wouldn't really work. But we'd eat without him if that's what he wanted to do. He's not playing, but isn't happy about it. Oh well. Currently just dealing with his sulks and a poorly baby.

Deep joy!!

Izzybuzzybuzzybees Wed 02-Jan-13 22:39:57

Hello ladies. I lost track of these threads but I'm attempting a come back.

Feeding just now and hoping for a long stretch afterwards.

Hope everyone is doing well. We are still managing breast feeding after a ridiculous start so I'm happy with that. I've stayed well which is also fab and my meds are being reduced which is good news as I've gained half a stone in 9 weeks. DS doing well.

Passmethecrisps Wed 02-Jan-13 22:54:37

Hi izzy. I am so glad to hear that things are going well.

I have a query lovely ladies. Wee p is in her basket just now and she makes one heck of a noise. Her nose doesn't look blocked but she sounds congested. She squeals, snorts, grunts and snuffles. Is this normal?

StuntNun Wed 02-Jan-13 23:01:25

<Waves hello to Izzy>

What game is it that your DH plays Horsey? I was trying to imagine and guess either darts or ten pin bowling. Bet I'm completely wrong!

kirrinIsland Wed 02-Jan-13 23:40:54

Hello all smile

pass I'm really glad your DD is home, that's brilliant - what a relief

I've driven back from the north today - took 8 hours!!
N slept most of the way, with ebm before we set off and again half way down. Not sure if it's the bottle or the car (or both) that leads to such good sleep so I've just given her another bottle now as an experiment. Obviously that means I haven't fed her much myself today but she has cluster fed this evening and it's only one day so I'm figuring my supply won't be affected.

Wishing you all a good nights sleep.

GTbaby Thu 03-Jan-13 00:16:40

The moment u want someone to shoot u.
Forget aboutHV app in half hour so rush out of the house.
Ur LO does a poo.
Ur at the weigh in clinic
The HV stands over u as u change nappy
U realise u have forgotten wipes.
U try n clean as much poo off LO as possible.
LO starts weeing so u end up making a mess.
Still no wipes.
Using nappy to clean up wee that has escaped.
Manage a change of nappy although LO is still crying cos he isn't proper clean. Call DH to come pick me up cos I'm so flustered n don't want to walk home. He keeps asking what's wrong. But HV is still stood there so can't explain that I'm about to break down.
Got home. Baby in bath. Fed.
One of those days.

Jackz133 Thu 03-Jan-13 02:11:31

Hi all, this is my first post. Jake is 7 weeks on Sunday. Feeding all the time at the moment and my boobs keep getting engorged. Any tips?

GTbaby Thu 03-Jan-13 05:00:30

Wtf. N now LO has decide he likes his 5am feeds again. After two weeks of 10-8am sleeps! And I gave him a dream feed at midnight
Y! Y! Y give me 10 hour sleeps then take them away. This is 3 rd night. Any ideas? How can I get it bk on track?

GTbaby Thu 03-Jan-13 05:00:46

And welcome jack

StuntNun Thu 03-Jan-13 05:27:22

Welcome Jackz, my LO is 7 weeks today. Are you expressing at all so you have too much milk? And are you offering both sides at a feed? Or is your baby going a long time between feeds?

nillynoon Thu 03-Jan-13 06:04:23

Jackz, I can't go any longer than three hours between feeds before I'm ready to burst. It's likely your baby is having a growth spurt at the moment, so your supply might regulate better once it has passed

TheDetective Thu 03-Jan-13 07:24:34

THANK YOU Nytol!! Bloody well slept fine! And still woke for feeds.


kirrinIsland Thu 03-Jan-13 07:33:14

Brilliant detective

Welcome Jackz

Well, it would seem a bottle made no difference sad I will try for a couple more nights but I thnk I may onto a non-starter.

Sophiathesnowfairy Thu 03-Jan-13 07:33:38

Hi izzzy hope you got som sleep.

gt ahhhhhhhhhhh for those days! I have started journaling a bit in the hoe that I will look back and laugh at them! And lest I forget and want another baby!

Welcome jackz alas I am not bf ing but you will find loads of rants tips and advice in here, there are some amazing women on this thread.

pr yay glad dd is back to her mischievous self - fingers x'd LO improves soon so you can get back to normality xx

detective Dottie loves her toys - we've got an array of lamaze toys and theirplaymat is fab - holds her interest far longer than anything else and she lies in her travel cot chatting and smiling at her hungry caterpillar - we even put the silly wrist rattles and socks on her yesterday which amused dd1 no end

pass we watched that - the penguin found its mum!!!

Dottie was awake and feeding non stop yesterday the whole day - apart from the 20 min walk back from drs and an hour whizzing round asda - by 11pm last night she had such red eyes and although she was quite happy she would not crash until gone 1 am - so not like her!!!

Yup dots knows the minute food whether it be a full blown Xmas dinner or ice cream lolly I'm used to cold food but the lamb shanks we had last night lost their appeal when cold &#128547;

Car got its mot today fingers x'd it sails through as we're skint, HV this arvo and then a meal out with my college girls!!

Gonna try and sneak dots back into her crib and have another hour!!

PetiteRaleuse Thu 03-Jan-13 08:28:38

LO going to the paediatrician this lunchtime. She really didn't drink enough milk yesterday. That plus the cough...

Can't believe she'll be 11 weeks tomorrow.

ValiumQueen Thu 03-Jan-13 08:37:04

J was awake from 1-5 with congestion. I so hope he is not coming down with bronchiolitis again. It seems worse than it was the last few weeks, but the night before he did really well. Too tired to think straight really. DD2 in nursery today thank fuck

PetiteRaleuse Thu 03-Jan-13 09:06:17

sad VQ I hope he is OK.

nillynoon Thu 03-Jan-13 09:30:20

Hope he is ok

NervousReindeer Thu 03-Jan-13 09:35:41

petite it's brilliant news that your DDs home, I've got my FC for you that your LO gets better quickly too

detective my DD loves toys! thank god she does she got piles for Christmas hmm she loves lights and sounds and her play mat. We've got a swinging chair that she loves having a good nosey round the room in too

Aw VQ hopefully it's not

Welcome jackz

Lo is still in bed and I've just had a quick bath so need to get ready before she wakes up then were off to the baby clinic

Damn she's awake

NervousReindeer Thu 03-Jan-13 09:36:41

The slings aren't working for us either sad every time I out her in she is not a happy baby so were only tried a couple of times but think ill just take it back this week and step away from the slings

ChunkyTurkeywiththetrimmings Thu 03-Jan-13 09:43:33

I have another blocked duct!! Other boob this time. Could this be due to DS going 4+hrs at night or an oversupply issue? Also feeling a but woozy but my nose is bunged up so hoping it isn't full blown mastitis!!!

Jackz133 Thu 03-Jan-13 09:50:40

I've had mastitis twice, just finished antibiotics on Monday. Been trying to express some to ease the fullness but only get an ounce or two. Maybe it's a growth spurt? hmm

Jackz133 Thu 03-Jan-13 09:52:33

Oh and DS is feeding every hour to two hours at the moment, on both boobs.

horseylady Thu 03-Jan-13 10:44:03

Vq fingers crossed. Ds also very very congested sad

Gt - try seeing if he'll take a bit more feed in the day? Is he regularly finishing his bottles? If so start offering another oz at feeds. Yes you'll throw more away but I'd rather know he's getting enough? Does that make sense?!

Passmethecrisps Thu 03-Jan-13 10:55:20

I second what horsey says GT.

We offer P a big feed for the first and the last a day. She always takes more when there is more in the bottle - I think it is easier to take when there is more in the bottle.

I really hope that J is ok VQ.

We are off on our road trip (slowly . . . ) to meet P's cousin! Very exciting!

Sophiathesnowfairy Thu 03-Jan-13 11:20:24

vq hope you have a chilled day with J and he perks up. Hopefully just a cold. Xxthanks

JABS TODAY!!! <grimace emoticon>

Sophiathesnowfairy Thu 03-Jan-13 11:21:06

Good luck pass hope you have an easy time of it.

horseylady Thu 03-Jan-13 11:42:54

Poor chap is hardly eating, just sleeping all the time sad no temp just generally grizzly and full if mucous. What more can we do for him?! Guess he just needs to sleep it off?!

Elizadoesdolittle Thu 03-Jan-13 11:49:46

Sympathies vq we were awake from 5am with congestion. I could hear the milk rattling around on her chest. Her broncilities went last week and she has started gaining weight (slowly) so really don't want to go back to square one.

Went for her check and she's put on 240g in 13 days which I thought was really good. Dr said it wasn't enough though so am back to him in 3 wks. Guess its good they are keeping a close eye on her. * blonder* how did you get on at the weight check?

YellowWellies Thu 03-Jan-13 12:28:36

Oh no to all of those with poorly babies! Rotten start to the year sad

We are on mission 'you will sleep in your cradle during the day so Mamma doesn't have to do everything one handed'... to say it is a total success in the slightest would be an over statement...

Horsey J isn't a fan of toys either, am glad the only pressie we got him was a £1.50 rattle this Christmas - anything else would be wasted. The only 'thing' he likes is his mobile - he loves people but is not keen on things.

ValiumQueen Thu 03-Jan-13 12:30:35

J has been asleep since 8.30. Little bugger! He obviously needs it. He is propped up which helps. horsey saline nose spray and propping up mattress and keeping him propped up whenever possible is all you can really do. I feed J whenever he wakes and he has little and often when congested.

Not sure whether it is better to take them out in fresh air when they are bunged up or keep them in, and likewise a bath may help but I do not want him to catch a chill. Summer babies are much easier. As are girl babies in my experience.

blonderthanred Thu 03-Jan-13 12:31:43

VQ really hope J is ok.

Eliza we had a similar weight gain to you, I knew exactly what he needed to gain to stay in the same centile so when it showed he was slightly under I was quite upset. However the HVs were quite reassuring (stroking me!) and fortunately the letter had come through from the hospital for the TT referral (next Wed) so they are happy for me to continue as we are and see how that goes. I know how stressful this is so you have my sympathy. Very much hope your LO doesn't get poorly, just stay home as much as poss and feed feed feed!

Just had 1st jabs, fed him through them so just a little wail for each. Brave boy! (Brave Mummy.) Calpol at the ready in case he gets a temp.

YellowWellies Thu 03-Jan-13 12:31:53

20 mins and he's back in my arms....

YellowWellies Thu 03-Jan-13 12:40:28

VQ boy babies are meant to be harder physically on the Mum in terms of feeding so much so that there seems to be a correlation between more girls being born as a result of one night stands / other unstable relationships where there is a greater likelihood of lone parenting, than boys. Weird eh?

Catbag Thu 03-Jan-13 12:45:54

Sorry I have not been posting- I have been lurking and catching up with threads at night. Both babies are full of a cold at the moment. River is just a bit bunged up, but Saul has a cough and his nose is streaming. He doe not have a temperature, and seems happy when not coughing up mucous and thick milk, so I am just keeping an eye on him at the moment. He is feeding well too, but if any of that changes that I shall have him straight to the GP. I feel for you poor ladies who have been battling bronchiolitis (sp?) with your little ones sad

PetiteRaleuse Thu 03-Jan-13 12:48:38

I have good news and bad. The good is that LO doesn't need to go to hospital yet.

The bad is that she has bronchio-sodding-litis and needs chest physio. So she will have a session at home every day for a week hopefully starting tomorrow (the bloke is away today).

Fingers crossed she doesn't deteriorate. For me 2013 can start in a week or two once my babies are better.

DD1 OTOH seems to be recovering well.

Lane81 Thu 03-Jan-13 12:55:05

Sympathies with all those with ill babies hmm

Catbag Thu 03-Jan-13 13:03:49

Oh petite, it was what you suspected, wasn't it? Just suspend the start of 2013 and concentrate on getting you all better. You have caught it early with LO by the sound of it. One day at a time <<hugs>>

Can't believe so many of us have got poorly babies sad
Sympathies to everyone else. Fingers crossed M seems a bit perkier today. Although from 4am til 10am she'd only sleep on my chest

She's just falling asleep so may risk putting her in her chair, see if I can get a job or two off my list done.

MissMummy1 Thu 03-Jan-13 13:32:48

Hugs to all those with poorly littlies thanks

Day one on our own today! DP went back to work this morning for the first time since we had her. Bit of a culture shock for all of us to say the least! M and I have so far only achieved emptying the dishwasher and a bath (for her). Hmm, this is tricky, how you all do it with more than one I don't know?! DP on the other hand has been sent home with a migraine, but it's too bad for him to drive at the moment and he has the car so he's sleeping it off in the office. Hopefully he'll be home early because they won't let him out on the boats for the rest of the day. confused

blonderthanred Thu 03-Jan-13 15:04:32

So sorry for all the poorly babies & their mums.

DS very screamy since jabs although no temp. Just checked my box of 'baby meds' and I actually have Calprofen not Calpol (which I think is paracetamol). To save me waiting on hold to speak to drs does anyone know if this would be ok or should I get some actual Calpol? Calprofen says 3m+ (ds is 2m2w) but does mention being for post-immunisation fever. But don't want to give wrong stuff. And don't want to be unprepared if we need it later.

Sorry minor prob compared to some but thought someone might know.

pikz Thu 03-Jan-13 15:14:59

Big squishes to all the poorly babies and big un mumsnetty hugs to mummies. Be very kind to yourself.

Turns out all the heartache over feeding etc is a massive growth spurt. 2lb in two weeks. No wonder I was on my knees. Good news is he seems a calmer less ravenous boy today and is sleeping in cribs and pram tops instead of on me and has let me sit down for at least ten minutes which is a record as he usually likes to be rocked constantly. He is now 11lb2 up from 6ib14 in 5 weeks. Can't believe what a big boy he is now!

YellowWellies Thu 03-Jan-13 15:46:38

EEeeeeeeeeeegaaaaaaaaaadddddd GP receptionists come straight from the 7th 'stuck up their own glorified "yer only an admin not a doc love" arse' circle of hell don't they!!!!!!

Just tried to pre-register at new GPs so as to book an appt for J's next jags. Apparently computer says no due to a hallowed 'practice protocol' (you'd think she was referring to the Geneva convention!!!! Apparently when moving house, by plane with an 11 week old baby, before I even get the keys, my first port of call should be to the surgery to complete paperwork. Silly moo - what a bad advert for the practice.

Still when she informed me it didn't matter if J was a month late for his jags and I queried her medical qualifications she did STFU grin


Hi all, been trying to catch up with the thread but failing miserably!

DS1 has been ill with a bad cold, as have I, and as soon as we recover, L gets sick. He has broncholitis. Balls. Oh and he is not gaining enough weight now, despite feeding ALL the time.

GP has recommended expressing for at least one feed. Can anyone explain why this may be benefical?

I'm upset because this is where bfing went wrong with DS1, exactly the same thing happened, weight gain fine 'til 6 week check up and then a slight deviation from, the line and referral to HV clinic, where they recommemnded formula top ups, and I followed all their advice blindly, which eventually led to reduced supply, breast refusal, and stopping bfing altogether.

I'm NOT letting that happen this time, I have put too much work into this to stop now.

Hi all, been trying to catch up with the thread but failing miserably!

DS1 has been ill with a bad cold, as have I, and as soon as we recover, L gets sick. He has broncholitis. Balls. Oh and he is not gaining enough weight now, despite feeding ALL the time.

GP has recommended expressing for at least one feed. Can anyone explain why this may be benefical?

I'm upset because this is where bfing went wrong with DS1, exactly the same thing happened, weight gain fine 'til 6 week check up and then a slight deviation from, the line and referral to HV clinic, where they recommemnded formula top ups, and I followed all their advice blindly, which eventually led to reduced supply, breast refusal, and stopping bfing altogether.

I'm NOT letting that happen this time, I have put too much work into this to stop now.

nillynoon Thu 03-Jan-13 16:01:02

Urgh yellow, she sounds like a delight!

MissMummy1 Thu 03-Jan-13 16:01:50

YW was this your new 'local gp'? (trying not to name names online). My aunt is a receptionist there. She's brilliant. The rest are useless twunts. Amazing how quickly you can get an appointment when they're "fully booked for 2 weeks" when you mention you're x's niece...

PetiteRaleuse Thu 03-Jan-13 16:22:09

She's right about there being a several week window for the jabs though, but I do sympathise. I will never forget a friend's mum who worked as a Dr receptionist at my local practice when I was 16. I went in for the Pill and she told my friend. I was shock

Izzybuzzybuzzybees Thu 03-Jan-13 16:37:37

Ds is currently asleep on me so I've caught up a wee bit.

Ds will be 10 weeks next Wed and only gettin his jags on Mon due to the holidays etc. He is a monster and was 13lb4 at last check before Xmas! He seems to gain 1lb a week and is growing out of 0-3 month clothes already!!

He has fed loads today which is tiring. My muscles also are so tense sad

ValiumQueen Thu 03-Jan-13 16:37:38

blonder I would always give paracetamol in the first instance, especially in a fragile baby tummy. It works quicker and is gentler on tum. You will need it some time anyway.

*freddie There is nothing beneficial about that. Ask them to provide the clinical evidence or fuck off

YW there is a window to allow for ill health postponing jags, but it is best for baby to obviously have them ASAP. So long as you have the red book, I would kick ass and mention whooping cough epidemic.

YellowWellies Thu 03-Jan-13 16:55:33

Exactly VQ we're moving from a remote cottage on an isolated island back to a densely populated area - she might think whooping cough is a giggle I don't. She implied we might be able to get an appt before Feb! Miserable cow.

MM it must have been one of the useless twunts! As if that's anyones first priority on moving day!

GTbaby Thu 03-Jan-13 17:03:15

Thanks horsey. I think he isn't drinking enough during day. And am putting down to teat flow. Unfortunately local pharmacy do not have TT teats only advent. N DH has taken car so can't go supermarket hmm gona try an extra dream feed before I go to bed.

Living with mil finally has a plus side. Not well. Cold. Been told not to hold LO to much. Told to go rest in bed wink now in bed watching breaking bad on Netflix. Lol.

NervousReindeer Thu 03-Jan-13 17:04:26

Aw petite your having a really rough time of it lately sad

freddie I don't see how doing that will affect weight gain in any way

LO is having a huge feed and us very wriggly

Evilwater Thu 03-Jan-13 17:13:49

Well second lot of jabs done, little one is VERY grumpy and tired. All he wants to do is sleep and eat, and cry very loudly. He missed his mid day nap on account of his jabs, which hasn't helped.

I'm just going to go with the flow.

At lest the lady who did the jabs this time, was better and didn't LO bleed. She even let someone else hold him while while he had his jabs. I really dislike seeing him having them. I know it's for the best.


Quick question- those whose babies have had jabs, how far in advance did the letter come through? Dd is 8 weeks tomo and I've heard nothing yet confused

Evilwater Thu 03-Jan-13 17:23:33

DH21- I had to make the appointment. No letter came for me.

YellowWellies Thu 03-Jan-13 17:34:49

Freddie stand your ground love. HVs seem to want them all on bottles!!! You are quite right giving a bottle only risks putting a hole in your supply and could lead to LO preferring the no-effort feeding from a bottle than BFing where they have to work for it. I guess your HV is thinking that easier feeding will help LO whilst ill but if they are coping ok (even if their weight gain falls slightly) don't switch. Hey we all lose a bit of weight when ill - even bottle fed babies do. Stand your ground xxx

YellowWellies Thu 03-Jan-13 17:35:31

DH we had no letter - just had to make an appt.

horseylady Thu 03-Jan-13 17:41:16

Letter came through the day I was discharged by the mw!!!

Well he's livelier now so fc he's starting to mend. He's also eaten more yay!!!

Will see though what happens. Keeping a very close eye on him!!

horseylady Thu 03-Jan-13 17:43:39

Oh and yw. Do not get me started on god damned dr receptionists!!!! When I asked about the wc vaccine the receptionist told me she wouldn't have it with no research!! And I can give you several exames where letters have stated cancer on one side then the other through incorrect typing!! It should not get to us and we question it!!

NervousReindeer Thu 03-Jan-13 17:56:24

DH I got mine when lo was about 3 weeks rhen 2 more letters in the post to remind me

We start baby massage class next week which I'm really looking forward too. I wish DP could go back to work now, I feel like it never in the house on my own, it's been 6 weeks and there still saying nit yet more Physio sad

Lane81 Thu 03-Jan-13 18:13:02

I didn't get a letter for jabs, had to register her at GP and make an appt to have them done when this was done (they wouldn't allow me to do it without her having her NHS no registered there).

GTbaby Thu 03-Jan-13 18:43:39

I made appointment with dr for jabs. HV told me we would get letter for developmental checks only.

Evilwater Thu 03-Jan-13 19:02:49

I asked the Receptionist to book his first jabs and they gave me the wrong date. Then at my 6 week check. They hadn't put him on the system even thou, I had filled in the form 3 weeks before hand.

Evilwater Thu 03-Jan-13 19:09:47

I've used our temperature probe it says LO is fine but he feels very hot. Should I put the blanket on him? He seems more himself now, but I'm not sure.


Guess it depends on your area then, I've got the 6 week post natal check on mon so will ask then.

I start baby massage on tues, will be nice to have an hour just dd and I. I love ds dearly but god he's hard work atm. 2.6 is a great age for some things but behaviour takes a turn for the worse!

blonderthanred Thu 03-Jan-13 19:57:31

Grr doctors receptionists. Mine booked the 6 wk check & said to come in the day before to register him. Then when we needed to see a dr at 5 wks she refused as he wasn't registered. Really, you're going to refuse to let a poorly 5 wk old see a dr because we need to fill in a form? She spoke to someone and they obviously told her not to be ridiculous as we got the appt and when we went in later got an apology too.

Speaking of which did anyone see the thread by the woman whose DS had been asleep for 18 hrs? The receptionist had put her on a list for callback but obviously hadn't classed it as urgent - lots of MNers told her to call 999 and he's now recovering in hospital. V scary.

Hope the poorly LOs on this thread are doing well. My little post-jab boy is still very whimpery but no temp. May give him the Calpol anyway if he doesn't settle as he is clearly a bit uncomfortable & hopefully that will help him sleep it off.

Thechick Thu 03-Jan-13 20:05:36

H had his second set of jabs today. We didn't get a letter, just got told to book it with drs. He was completely fine earlier, but now won't leave my boob. Think I should just get comfortable.

So sorry about all the sick babies. Fc recovery is quick.

blonderthanred Thu 03-Jan-13 20:11:19

Oh I meant to say, I was prompted to book jabs by GP at 6 wk check but no letters or owt.

(Then was called back as receptionist had booked us for 7w5d and apparently this was too early so had to be rebooked for 9w6d (today). Apparently late doesn't matter but even 2 days early does?)

Sophiathesnowfairy Thu 03-Jan-13 20:26:47

No one contacted me about the jabs either, I had to book it. I think they have got into a mix up about our addresses I can't be arsed to sort it out we will be in NI in 9 months. As long as I know what I am doing, which is often doubtful

Little O seems to have done ok after the jabs today though it took an hour of crying down for him to settle tonight. It could have been that or a touch of over stimulation at bedtime as it can be manic here between 5 and 7.

The girls are still up watching monsters vs aliens is this ok? My theory is they are chilled and not bouncing around, which has just reminded me detecive off to find my lavender rollerball.....

StuntNun Thu 03-Jan-13 21:06:24

It's hardly surprising that your LO isn't gaining weight as quickly if he's not well Freddie. That's what happens with kids, they stop gaining while they're fighting off infection and then they catch up afterwards. What percentile was he on and what is he now? Usually they have to drop more than two percentiles or actually lose weight before there's real cause for concern. Expressing a feed may be to find out how much milk he is taking but that's not very accurate, personally I wouldn't bother if you find he is feeding a lot. If they start putting pressure on you and you would prefer to keep on feeding as you are currently then I would suggest playing for time, ask for him to be weighed in another ten days or fortnight before making any changes. There seems to be this (false) idea amongst health professionals that children should follow their percentile line exactly over time. They just don't understand that it is an average and that it's normal for children to fluctuate around their percentile line or move percentiles. My DS1 was born on the 50th but dropped over the first few months to the 2nd which he has pretty much followed ever since. He is very healthy, didn't have a day off school in the last two years and has met all his developmental milestones. But if the health visitor wanted him to be weighed weekly and have formula top ups. I never took him to be weighed again after that day. Interestingly I did need to start topping up with formula at four months because my milk supply was dropping due to having to use nipple shields and he wouldn't take solids.

Evilwater Thu 03-Jan-13 21:12:19

A year ago if you asked me if I would love being a mum, I would have laughed in your face.
Now I think it's the best thing I've done. I love being a mum.

I saw a work college on my walk yesterday, and she is also pregant. I offered her some of the baby clothes, but afterward I really didn't know what to give her.
Does this mean I want more?? N is a handful, my heart says yes. My head says NO.
A girl. Maybe.


Thanks you Nervous, VQ, stunt and YW. I'll stick to my guns!

Stunt - he has gone from the 25th to the 9th. And looking at Ds1's chart, he did the exact same thing at this age, then ended up on the 98th at his last checkup. Pfft.

Sophia, where are you moving to in N.I? I'm in the Republic, although near enough to th border.

Time enough to think about it yet Evil! I always knew I wanted another after I had DS1, but give yourself time (and don't be giving away all your baby stuff yet!)

Sophiathesnowfairy Thu 03-Jan-13 21:49:09

Ooo Freddie we will be moving End of August beginning of September to South Down ( about 40 mins from Newry along the Mourne Coast Road). Think everyone can tell you I am bursting with excitement!

Sophiathesnowfairy Thu 03-Jan-13 21:54:59

How can I link something on FB that has been shared on my RL FB. It is a hilarious thing written by babies about not letting Mummies STTN ( sleep through the night) it sounds like us! grin

NervousReindeer Thu 03-Jan-13 21:58:14

freddie my DD is on the 9th centile but tbh I don't bother or understand it, I know that she should follow the line and if it jumps to much in either direction then get it checked but when I was pregnant on here people were talking about don't get caught up on it so I listened and don't bother, I know my DD is doing well and that's what matters

I brought myself 2 dresses online in a size 10 and they've come tiny sad wondering if I should keep them for motivation to lose weight or just send them back

horseylady Thu 03-Jan-13 22:19:07

Nervous!!!! I tried on several dresses yesterday. Most were an 8 (I'm a 10 pretty much!!) but the one I bought was a 12. Now in the two hours I was trying on all these dresses I did not change shape!! Certainly not between an 8 and a 12!! The dress we got fitted like the 8s?! Go figure.

I didn't care. I liked the dress I bought (well ordered). The woman when she measured me laughed and showed me the size charts. Depending on the designer i was literally 8, 10 or 12!!

Oh sophia I am the other side, near enough to Enniskillen. That part of the country is lovely though, hope the move goes well for yesmile

Nervous - I know, I vowed not to let it get me down if it happened this time... Aggh, I will not, I'll just concentrate on DS gettng better. He is coughy and sounds a bit chesty but not in bad form at all, just sleeping a lot. Back to GPs tomorrow so will see then. Oh and I'd send the dresses back rather than let them taunt me from the wardrobegrin

YellowWellies Thu 03-Jan-13 22:39:15

Freddie if he's ill it's even more important to keep him BFing just for the antibodies if nowt else. Keep going my dear! HV annoy me some of their views are straight out of the 60s. My niece was 2lb when born and there is not a chance in hell my sister would have listened to calls to bottle feed her even if it would bulk her up quicker - she knew that such a fragile fraggle needed BFing as much if not more than a big term baby because of the additional health benefits that we simply haven't found a way to replicate artificially.

GTbaby Fri 04-Jan-13 01:39:57

YW my lil one got a fraggle for Xmas smile

StuntNun Fri 04-Jan-13 02:32:22

That's only one percentile line over Freddie so shouldn't really register at all apart from to keep an eye on it. Nervous the charts were generated usin baby weights from a number of countries worldwide. Basically your baby should be somewhere on the chart and ideally shouldn't move too far away from their percentile line. It's confused a bit because some babies are born on a different line from the one they end up on, e.g. if there were placental insufficiency problems or if the baby was very big due to gestational diabetes. My DS2 required attention because his weight went off the bottom of the chart but all they did was give him supplements for a few months until he caught up with his percentile line again. The problem is that people generally don't understand the chart and think their baby should be on the 50th line; also weight gain tends to go in growth spurts so if you measure just before a growth spurt it may look like baby isn't gaining fast enough whereas two weeks later they're back on track again. That's why the WHO recommend weighing no more than four times a year. My DSs are both under investigation because of medication or poor weight gain and they are only weighed every 3-6 months.

nillynoon Fri 04-Jan-13 03:35:08

4 and 3/4 hours sleep, praise the Lord! Past few nights it has been 2.5 then awake for feed so v happy!

TheDetective Fri 04-Jan-13 05:01:10

Fucking fucking arghhhhhh I'm going to stab my own eyeballs out.

Oscar - slept from 11pm. Still sleeping. Longest he has ever slept.

Me. Awake. I'd say wide awake. But I'm not. I'm tired, aching all over and yawning away. I'm beat. But I can't sleep. Just took Nytol again. Please let me sleep.

I've just eaten an entire tub of salsa and a few 8 ryvita thin things wondering if hunger was keeping me awake. It wasn't hunger. hmm


StuntNun Fri 04-Jan-13 05:43:29

Are your sleep patterns too disrupted to let you sleep properly Detective? Maybe you could change introduce a bedtime routine of your own once Oscar is asleep, e.g. warm milk or hot chocolate, shower or bath, read for ten minutes then bed, with no TV/computer/phone screens in the last half hour before bed.

J is messing me about here. He slept from 10:30 to 2 but then had feeds at 2, 3:50 then woke at 5:30 but just messed about at the breast so he's going to want another feed in an hour. I tried to get him to take a lot at the 2 a.m. feed but he's woken twice since then. And this was after cluster feeding all evening. It's a right pain that he won't have a proper feed at night any more, just messes all night.

GTbaby Fri 04-Jan-13 06:38:55

Det did u get to sleep?
Do u nap during day. If so cut them out, no matter how tiered u are! At least until night time sleep is bk on routine.
Agree with getting ur bed time routine set. Chill out time with baby no tv no phone warm drink etc. did u try lavender with ur DS1? Try it on urself!?

Try Ewan when u go to sleep! Lol although he is on now n I'm wide awake.

kirrinIsland Fri 04-Jan-13 06:59:24

Oh no detective Hope you managed to get to sleep. Agree that cutting out any daytime naps might help, and maybe a bath before bed?

stunt N does the small snacks at night thing too. In fact she'd do it all day as well but I'm trying to train her out of that. It's really annoying 'cos you know they'll be up again wanting more in no time but I just can't get her to eat properly overnight. Having said that, she's just gone 00.45 till now! Best night ever by far - but she was awake pretty much all day, which is unusual, so I'm not expecting a repeat any time soon!

Sophiathesnowfairy Fri 04-Jan-13 07:17:07

Horrah, 11 p, till 7 am. A few snuffles around 4 but then we fell back to sleep!

Sophiathesnowfairy Fri 04-Jan-13 07:43:26

Thought I would share my cradle cap success which is quite exciting. Olly had very angry cradle cap on forehead and in eyebrows,I tried dentinox but it ddn't work and I was scared to get it in his eyes.

The health visitor said just get any cream, so being a fan of Aveeno, after it worked so well on DD1, I got some Aveeno Lotion yesterday morning. I think I creamed him maybe three or four times yesterday. IT HAS GONE grin Personally I think that is an amazing result.

If you want to get some it is the lotion that you need to get, I think there is a difference between that and the cream. Sainsburys usually stock it as well as Boots.

sophia I read that (STTN) thing it was so good, and v true!

Q is 8 weeks today, going so fast!

Elizadoesdolittle Fri 04-Jan-13 09:20:44

Blonder - glad your hv were supportive and good luck with the TT referral. Keep me posted.

I went out last night with my BF. She lives overseas now and is only back for Xmas and new year. E gave her dad hell. Only took 2ozs from a bottle and cried for 2 hours straight pretty much, and was sick 4 times! She's still really congested and after a really unsettled night has been asleep in her Moses basket since I got up with DD1 which is just typical. So not great on the feeding front!! Feel guilty for going out but I don't know when I'll see my friend again, not till August at least and I really wanted a child free talk with her.
Still it's done now. Mustn't beat myself up about it.

Passmethecrisps Fri 04-Jan-13 10:47:15

I know what you mean eliza but it was one night. I hope you enjoyed your night out anyway.

Well, meeting my sister and her LO was lots of fun. He is a big, sturdy boy. I had a cuddle and he felt like a toddler. P felt like a doll next to him. She was worn out afterwards.

DH wants to go for a curry today - we shall see how P goes

Passmethecrisps Fri 04-Jan-13 10:52:17

And was it blonder who mentioned that thread about the sleeping baby? I read that with my heart in my mouth - dreadful.

I have also been thinking about the bottle issue and the pressure on BF mums to add a bottle. I am sure it is about control. With P being poorly the docs have been very focussed on exact amounts of feed - noting daily totals and averages. Had I been BF and she had been losing weight I am not sure how supportive they would have been if I was unable to account for exact amounts.

I wonder if in their line of work the unknown entity that BF gives makes them uncomfortable?

Elizadoesdolittle Fri 04-Jan-13 10:57:12

Thanks pass it was lovely to have adult time. She has two kids as well and haven't seen her for ages without the kids in tow so was really nice to have a good old gossip. Glad you had a good time with your sis. Will be lovely for P to grow up with a cousin so close in age. I don't have any cousins and would always have liked one.

For those of you who haven't seen this on FB:

How to Stop Mummy Sleeping Through the Night!

OK, here's my situation. My Mummy has had me for almost 7 months. The first few months were great. I cried, she picked me up and fed me, anytime, day or night. Then something happened.

Over the last few weeks, she has been trying to STTN (sleep through the night). At first, I thought it was just a phase, but it is only getting worse. I've talked to other babies, and it seems like its pretty common after Mummies have had us for around 6 months.

Here's the thing: these Mummies don't really need to sleep. Its just a habit. Many of them have had some 30 years to sleep and they just don't need it anymore. So I am implementing a plan. I call it the
Crybaby Shuffle. It goes like this:

Night 1: cry every 3 hours until you get fed. I know, its hard. Its hard to see your Mummy upset over your crying. Just keep reminding yourself, its for her own good.

Night 2: cry every 2 hours until you get fed.

Night 3: every hour. Most Mummies will start to respond more quickly after about 3 nights. Some Mummies are more alert, and may resist the change longer. These Mummies may stand in your doorway for hours, shhhh-ing. Don’t give in. I cannot stress this enough: CONSISTENCY IS KEY!! If you let her STTN (sleep through the night), just once, she will expect it every night. I KNOW ITS HARD! But she really doesn’t need the sleep, she’s just resisting the change.

If you have an especially alert Mummy, you can stop crying for about 10 minutes, just long enough for her to go back to bed and start to fall asleep. Then cry again. It WILL eventually work. My Mummy once stayed awake for 10 hours straight, so I know she can do it. Last night, I cried every hour. You just have to decide to stick to it and just go for it. BE CONSISTENT!

I cried for any reason I could come up with. My sleep sack tickled my foot. I felt a wrinkle under the sheet. My mobile made a shadow on the wall. I burped, and it tasted like pears. I hadn’t eaten pears since lunch, what’s up with that? The cat said "meow". I should know. My Mummy reminds me of this about 20 times a day. LOL. Once I cried just because I liked how it sounded when it echoed on the monitor in the other room. Too hot, too cold, just right - doesn’t matter! Keep crying!! It took awhile, but it worked. She fed me at 4am. Tomorrow night, my goal is 3:30am. You need to slowly shorten the interval between feedings in order to reset your Mummies internal clocks.

Sometimes my Mummy will call for reinforcements by sending in Daddy. Don’t worry, Daddies are not set up for not needing sleep the way Mummies are. They can only handle a few pats and shhing before they declare defeat and send in the Mummy.

Also, be wary of the sleep sheep with rain noises. I like to give Mummy false hope that listening to the rain puts me to sleep sometimes I pretend to close my eyes and be asleep and then wait until I know Mummy is settling back to sleep to spring a surprise cry attack. If she doesn’t get to me fast enough I follow up with my fake cough and gag noise that always has her running to the crib.

At some point I am positive she will start to realise that she really doesn’t really need sleep.

P.S. Don’t let those rubber things fool you, no matter how long you suck on them, no milk will come out. Trust me.

Elizadoesdolittle Fri 04-Jan-13 11:06:48

And I know what you mean re the BF issue. As E is bf and had poor weight gain and been poorly the drs have been very specific with how much milk she's taking and I just can't answer them. All I can say is how often she feeds and for how long. Which is I think why they have told me to top her up after every feed from a bottle so I can confirm how much she takes (which is nothing but that's another story).

nillynoon Fri 04-Jan-13 11:28:48

Think I've got nipple thrush - mortal agony to feed and pain afterwards....phoned Dr in the hope he will write a prescription before my appointment on monday

Thechick Fri 04-Jan-13 11:52:45

Pass I agree with the thought that the unknown entity of breastfeeding makes drs uncomfortable. I think they like to see everything in black and white and that just doesn't happen when you bf and its not just the milk they are getting when feeding. And I feel that if there is a weight gain issue, they should pass on bf consultants information not just say top up with formula.

StuntNun Fri 04-Jan-13 12:01:32

That sucks Nilly, make sure you both get medicine for it. If you use dummies or bottles then scrub them extra thoroughly with a brush because you can get an organic film build up on them that will harbour fungal spores. Microwave sterilising for five minutes in boiling water should be sufficient to kill candida spores. FC it clears up quickly for you.

ValiumQueen Fri 04-Jan-13 12:22:48

I am brave. Just took the three kids to soft play. Obviously J did not partake. Had my mum with me as it was traumatic enough with help! We all survived. It was the first time for my 2yo so I had my heart in my mouth, but when some bigger boys refused to go back in because of her, I relaxed a little.

PetiteRaleuse Fri 04-Jan-13 12:22:49

Oh watching my 11 week old baby getting her chest physio'd was horrible. Horrible bloke too actually, but as long as he knows what he is doing he doesn't have to be particularly pleasant.

DD1 keeps emptying my purse and nibbling her felt tip pens. She is better and stronger by the day.

ValiumQueen Fri 04-Jan-13 12:24:49

That baby narrative is great. Definately something J has read.

horseylady Fri 04-Jan-13 12:34:40

I have jumped my horse and lived!!!!

I am so happy!!!

ValiumQueen Fri 04-Jan-13 12:38:12

I am happy too horsey we would miss you. I have yet to jump my husband...

ValiumQueen Fri 04-Jan-13 12:40:30

PR it is good they do physio. We have had none of that. Cruel to be kind.

kirrinIsland Fri 04-Jan-13 12:49:37

That's brilliant missL grin

Well done horsey I haven't even got back on yet!

PetiteRaleuse Fri 04-Jan-13 13:05:34

Well done horsey

Yes VQwe are pretty lucky over here in that doctors couldn't give a crap about costcutting so are more than happy to precribe luxuries like physio (in fact all women are given 6-8 free sessions starting from 6 weeks after childbirth to, erm, tighten things up.)

The chest physio does look horrible but she was smiling just a few minutes afterwards. He was basically loosening up all the mucus and getting her to cough it up. He'll come round again tomorrow and every day for a week, unless of course she ges worse in which case she'll be admitted. Fingers crossed tat won't happen..

Those of you whose babies have had thrush, what were their tongues and mouth like?

M has a white tongue which previously has been put down to milk residue. But since she's been poorly it seems whiter. Not sure whether that's because she's been feeding a bit more and being sick more so there isn't chance for it to go between feeds or if her being run down has made it develop in to thrush?
It's only on the surface of her tongue and doesn't spread round the sides or anywhere else in her mouth.
Just wary as feeding is going well so don't want that scuppered

Quick question which I think someone else asked earlier but I didn't see the reply. Our Ewan sheep came today, when the rain, Hoover and harp sounds are playing I can still hear the womb sounds too. Is it faulty?

blonderthanred Fri 04-Jan-13 13:16:19

You should always get the womb sounds on all the settings for that is where the magic lies.

ChunkyTurkeywiththetrimmings Fri 04-Jan-13 13:22:10

Well behind on posts, so will try to catch up at some point.

Have mastitis. Got antibiotics but they need to be taken on an empty stomach (I.e 1hr before food, 2hrs after). The lack of food/snacks is almost worse than the mastitis. Other boob has a blocked duct now from not feeding and pumping yesterday, plus the 5ish hr sleep A did overnight. I've just decided to get DD looked after & go back to bed. A is taking advantage & feeding constantly!!!

Freddie stunt is right. Think the only reason they say express a feed normally is to top up after a feed with it, rather than replace a feed. I wouldn't worry (as the drop/lack of gain is small) but if you wanted to try to increase gain, there is an article on Kellymom.com. I always think the formula thing is mad - bm has more calories & is easier digested, so they feel full for less time. The exact opposite to the idea of high protein diet foods right? So what better way to gain weight??!!

PR sad hugs.

DH21 I didn't get a letter, just 1 to book 6wk check.

nilly there is a good factsheet about thrush on the LLL or BFN websites, can't remember which.

Thanks blonder, looking forward to trying it out tonight!

Sophiathesnowfairy Fri 04-Jan-13 13:24:47

Wow vq well done. I would really like to take them all to soft play but I don't really have anyone to go with and so if someone got stuck and I had Olly it would be difficult. I have actually just emailed a friend who lives about an hour away to see if she wants to meet up at one half way next week.

horseylady Fri 04-Jan-13 13:34:36

You don't know my horse vq!! Thankfully she loved it so I'm hoping the break did her good actually. Pre pregnancy we'd both lost our confidence so a forced break has seemingly helped. Pleased, I didnt really want to sell her!!

YellowWellies Fri 04-Jan-13 13:37:28

Fatima I was told that BF babies tend to have a white coating on the back of their tongue so it isn't necessarily indicative of thrush. J's thrush was wee white spots on his gums which he still has and it doesn't bother him feeding at all. With his reflux the doc decided to keep him on one medicine at a time and so long as the thrush isn't stopping him feeding to just keep an eye on it and treat myself if I get a tingle in the boobs. So far that's working really well. At one point he was on meds 6 times a day if we were doing daktarin too that would have put it up to 10 times a day and risked him developing an oral aversion from having horrid tasting stuff slapped in his chops every five minutes.

Just had last visit from our HV here in Orkney - the wee man is now a fat 10 lb 10.5 oz. He's following the 9th centile line nicely (for normal babbas) and the 91st centile for his premmie age. I have a feeling that I am really going to miss the amazing care we've had up here. sad

pikz Fri 04-Jan-13 14:23:01

I went out on my own with Luc and drove and had coffee with my NCT mums and got to potter on my own with him. Was bliss. Glad csection recovery is pretty much over.

ValiumQueen Fri 04-Jan-13 14:33:01

YW yes you will. Go back for a long holiday when you have number two.

PetiteRaleuse Fri 04-Jan-13 14:33:11

Well the physio has done some good. LO has her appetite back, after snacking since about Tesday and yesterday drinking worryingly little today she is stuffing herself.

So looking forward to all this being over with. DH and I hace decided that in a few weeks we'll start doing weekend trips to the mountains (2-3hrs away). The air will be good for little lungs and we are knackered and need to get away. Unfortunately we are well over four hours from the coast otherwise we'd go there.

In other news I have a really sharp pain in my ribs when I inhale,cough or lift anything. I assume that's from too much coughing..

Thanks YW I've hooked her an appt this afternoon as I just found two white patches on the inside of her top lip. She's been breaking latch more often and had some nappy rash but I'd put it down to the cold. My boobs don't feel as comfortable either.
Thought I best get it checked before the weekend in the hope it doesn't interfere with feeding too much

PetiteRaleuse Fri 04-Jan-13 14:52:36

This week the pram, where LO sleeps during the day in the sitting room, has been next to the Christmas tree. When she lies in it she loves watching the tree lights and I think it helps her sleep. Am seriously considering leaving the tree up for a few more weeks.

StuntNun Fri 04-Jan-13 15:43:50

Don't want to worry you PR but you might want to Google pleurisy after all you've been through lately.

Back from the doctors, M has got thrush so they've given her some drops.
I asked whether I should have something, boobs haven't been painful bit haven't felt right the last day so don't want it getting worse.
They've prescribed my clotrimazole cream, is this ok? Do I just have to wash it off before a feed? Done some googling, some say its fine some say it shouldn't be prescribed for thrush and breastfeeding confused

MissMummy1 Fri 04-Jan-13 16:50:59

I am so unfit. Took M for a long walk around the village and halfway round the coast (I even braved induction brae with the pram yw!). I now feel like I've run a marathon... knackered doesn't cover it.

Anyone else find when their OHs are away that you can either get out the house for a wee while or do housework. Never both in one day anymore...

well im just back from the docs and hes put on 4oz in 2 days so happy out with that. And recovering well from the broncholitis, thank god. Told her I hadn't had the time to be expressing and she was happy with that, so long as he's gaining.

Stunt - DS has snacky days, drives me bananas! Sometimes I try to lengthen the times between snacks by walking him around in the sling so he can get a proper feed in. Sometimes it works, sometimes he just wants boob and that's that. We'll get through it.. smile

thanks chunky - hope you get over the mastitus soon.

PR- you've been through a lot, hope you and LOs are ok.great that you can get physio for him. L is the same with my Christmas tree, I hate it though and can't wait to get it down.

PetiteRaleuse Fri 04-Jan-13 17:06:11

Agh stunt what would you have said if you did want to worry me? grin

Crap. Well I'll see how it goes this weekend and then pop into my doctor. One of the remedies seems to be anti inflammatories which is a 100% no no for me (last time I took one I ended up having massive stomach surgery, coma, and was on life support for days before they'd decide if I was going to survive).

I was just hoping I had cracked a rib with all the coughing or something like that.

Oh well...

Elizadoesdolittle Fri 04-Jan-13 17:43:54

Talking of soft play I braved it this afternoon after the place I was originally going to go to was closed. It wasn't too bad with two but it was so bloody busy as kids aren't back at school yet. I forgot that. Will avoid those places in holidays at future.

YellowWellies Fri 04-Jan-13 17:56:04

MM induction hill - woman you're epic taking a pram up there!

TheDetective Fri 04-Jan-13 18:35:07

Eeeeeeh, mini major rant, but good things included. Switch off now!!

I did get to sleep - thank you! But at 5.45. Oscar woke at 6! WAAAAAAAAAAAH! I cried through the feed, literally soaked him in tears of exhaustion frustration. We went back to sleep at 6.30. He woke at 10. We fed and went back to sleep. I woke him at 1pm!!! And DS1. Welcome to the lazy bastards house!

I can only assume this is our 6 week gift from Oscar! Not only did he go 7 hours, but he then went 4 hours, and has been 3.5-4 hours today. He has dropped 2 feeds a day to 6. And is getting quicker. And requiring much less winding.

Fuck me, good timing kid. Anyway, back on the Nytol tonight, and going to take it for the next few to try and get me back on track. I like to be up by 10 on non school run days. School run days up between 7.30-8. I go to bed between 11-12 usually. So Oscar has fitted right in with that now, just got to actually sleep myself. hmm

I don't nap in the day. I can't, as I am crap at napping really.

So the health visitor was supposed to be here at 1.30 today. After dragging us out of bed at 1 and dashing around getting dressed, by 1.30 I was sat in my immaculate house, in immaculate no pee, poo or puke anyway clothes, even had make up on and hair styled. DS1 was stashed in his room grin. Dog in there with him (she barks at visitors, due to nervousness!) for good measure.

By 3.30 I was starting to go loopy sat waiting, so I rang up - 'oh, your health visitor is off today'. WELL WHY THE FECK MAKE AN APPOINTMENT WITH ME!! I put it in my diary as she arranged it with me, sat in my house last time she came! Told them not to bother rearranging. I took him to baby clinic yesterday first and last time and he was 9lb13. Following 25th centile up from 2nd. My scale hands have not let me down - I estimated him to be 9lb12 grin. I think 'll just not bother with the HV service any more. I CBA cleaning the house up, and getting dressed just to sit around my own house all day waiting. And the same goes for sitting for well over an hour waiting in baby clinic. I'm just going to weigh him once a month myself, plot him, and if concerned, go to GP. If there are any other worries, I'll go to the GP. I gave them a chance, and still think its crap.

DS1 is under punishment hmm for being a lazy, sneaky git, and lifting the fucking top of the toilet off and putting a wrapper from a chocolate off the christmas tree in there. Yes. In the top of the toilet. In the water. And do you know how I found this out? Because I flushed the toilet, and the water started gushing out the top, and everywhere. Cue much panic, running around trying to stop it. Lifted the lid to make matters worse - water going up in the air. Realised that a piece had been knocked off (had this in my first house years ago, so luckily I knew what to do). Fished around in water for said piece. Shoved it back on. Stopped the lake that was appearing in my bathroom. Found wrapper. Realised culprit for knocking piece off. angry. Worst thing is, the bin is directly underneath the toilet. It was more effort to put it in the fucking toilet than the bin. Have took all his xbox and DS games off him for a week, so all his new games are now stashed in my room. Little shit. Could have killed him. He can't even explain why he did it. It isn't like I'd go rooting through the bin in the loo. Or the bin in his effing room. I don't even restrict stuff as he is usually sensible enough at self control.

Oh, and I've noticed Oscar has a flat patch on the back of his head. Excellent. sad He spends lots of tummy time as well.

Ok, that feels better! Sometimes its good enough just to let it all tumble out! grin Think I'll go make tea now!

MissMummy1 Fri 04-Jan-13 18:43:33

Managed to put velcro baby down for half an hour. Decided to use time to run the hoover over. Bloody thing went on fire! It's not even that old!! angry confused

TheDetective Fri 04-Jan-13 18:50:24

WTF have you been hoovering?! Matches!

I've had electrical stuff go on fire in the past. Scary shit.

I meant to add to my epic ranty post, that Oscar keeps overheating when we are out. I seriously could take him out in this weather, in just a vest and a babygrow and he would be happy. hmm

I think it could be the car seat though. I've not taken him out that much in the pram, so can't compare that yet. But he does seem to get hot very easily. I start off with a hat, cardi and blanket, on top of vest and babygrow, yesterday we ended up with just the cardi, took blanket off first, then ended up taking hat off too. He was still sweaty and hot when I took him out the car seat. He was in the seat for 90 minutes.

When I've put him in it for naps he has also come out a similar level of sweat. He doesn't sweat in the moses basket, or swinging chair as far as I can see.

His dad is a very hot sweaty person. I get hot very easily too. I rarely wear a coat. If I do, it isn't because I am cold. My fat and leg hair keeps me warm probably. Maybe he is just like us. But I feel bad. People must think I am terribly neglectful.

TheDetective Fri 04-Jan-13 18:51:08

MM, no I can't go out and do housework in the same day! Just doesn't happen. Not when alone!

TheDetective Fri 04-Jan-13 18:52:46

PR, am thinking the same as Stunt - please see your Doctor xxx

Sophia How did the lavender work out?! I'm thinking of tipping the bottle on his head tonight. grin

ValiumQueen Fri 04-Jan-13 19:35:36

detective cannot nap in day but gets up at 1pm? I had to smile at that, but I understand what you are saying. It takes a long long time to sort sleep in an adult. Hopefully with Oscar sleeping so well this will help you.

daisychain76 Fri 04-Jan-13 19:38:41

Belated happy new year everyone! Followed Christmas flu with New Year sinusitis. Only just feeling like l can function properly now ~ helped by the fact H did a 3 hour stretch last night ~ he had been up for a feed every 2 hours without fail the past few weeks (love the sleep thing ~ so true!)

Just ordered a mei tai off ebay by mns designs. Does anyone have one of theirs? The feedback looks good.

Hope the poorly LO‘s are recovering well.

TheDetective Fri 04-Jan-13 19:46:27

What I mean is I can't nap again once up lol! Clearly day time sleeping is a talent of mine! But no, whatever time I'm up, I'm up and don't nap. If I do, which I haven't since I've had Oscar, it was impssible to rouse me until 4 hours had passed. Hence why me and naps go together like shit on faces. grin

Clarella Fri 04-Jan-13 20:02:11

hi lurking sorry dont seem to manage to post here ever but I do like reading how you're all getting on. hope poorly babes get well soon x

proud to say that at 3 wks + 3 days little George isn't so little at 7lb 10! from 5lb 2 I feel pretty proud of that!

YellowWellies Fri 04-Jan-13 20:15:17

Clarella well done you!

Well done Clarella. You are definitely at what I found the hardest stage so far but you are doing well smile

Sophiathesnowfairy Fri 04-Jan-13 20:21:01

detective , the lavender worked really well last night alongside some animated film on bbc three which made them chill till 9 pm, which is a bit late for my liking but there is no school and at least when the went to bed they were relaxed and went to sleep rather than bouncing around till 10. Good combo in my mind. I have just rollerballed them and they are watching Bolt on bbc three. Quietly. Hoping for a rerun of last night. Tinkerbell and the Secret of Wings at the cinema can be used as a bribe! wink

Right TMI time. grin we don't have enough TMI these days.

I had my first period start on 23rd Dec, nothing like accuracy. So as instructed in the leaflet, and I knew anyway, I started taking my pill (femodene, have had it before. No probs, but not been on pill for 4 yrs or so) normally when you first take it your period stops but mine didn't.

and I am still bleeding shock

So that is nearly two weeks. angry Do you think this is monster first period after haing a baby or My body has changed and just hates this pill. I am really fed up about it. Olly is 8 weeks old and I have been bleeding for about 6 of them. confused

I have an appointment to talk about long term contraception on Wed evening at the DRs but I wonder if I should stop taking the pills?

Some of you may remember from the ante-natal thread that I had a friend who had received bad news at her 20 week scan, well she gave birth this morning to a little girl weighing just under 1lb. The baby is doing as well as can be expected but I am cuddling babylaughalot a little tighter this evening. We have a lot to be thankful for.

Sophiathesnowfairy Fri 04-Jan-13 20:27:10

Oh yes mislaughalot

Evilwater Fri 04-Jan-13 20:30:20

Well it's battlefield bed time again. I just don't know what else to do.......

nillynoon Fri 04-Jan-13 21:00:37

Got treatment for nipple thrush today but suspect milk blister may have caused majority of pain as it feels a lit better this evening

Passmethecrisps Fri 04-Jan-13 21:04:54

miss I think we all will be. 1Ib is just so very, very tiny. It puts every issue or concern I have had into perspective.

Sorry to hear that things are still difficult evil. It seems so strange that this is a recent thing. I really Hope you get it resolved soon.

Can anyone advise on routines?

J is almost 9 weeks old, I'm very aware that DP will be back to work soon and atm where we have sod all in the way of routine some days we don't end up waking until lunchtime and the kids need some structure and to get to school on time with all the correct stuff.

Problem is, it's just to easy for me to pop J in bed with me and feed him laying down while I sleep, he ends up falling asleep and this happens 2-3 times a night. It's the only way anyone gets sleep because he is a serial cot hater. sad

He just doesn't seem to have any pattern on feeding or sleeping, it's all over the place, some days he'll feed every 3 hours and sleep solidly in between, some days he'll not sleep at all and feed all day/night! Bottles don't satisfy him at all, he can drain 5+ ounces and still hunt for boobs and scream until he gets them.
He won't take a dummy at all either so uses the boob as a comfort source as well. I've no idea where to start!

Help please?! smile

Sophiathesnowfairy Fri 04-Jan-13 21:27:01

evil I don't know what to say. I can't remember all the details of what you have said already but a I know Olly can be very chilled a 6:30 then kicks off when we put him in his basket. We have worked out that if we leave him alone he eventually relaxes and goes to sleep it can take about an hour of cry stop cry stop, but as long as we stay away he does settle. Tonight he was cross while we were all around putting him to bed, doing stories etc then stopped as soon as we left him. Sometimes I have a shower in e e suite while he is doing his cryey bit and by the time I come out he has stopped, don't know if it is the shower sound or just coincidence.

You will get through it evil everything is a passing phase and there is always something to challenge us, but it is what makes it so rewarding and bloody exhausting

Evilwater Fri 04-Jan-13 21:33:15

Pass - its every single night. He's in our bed at moment, he just won't sleep. Day or night it's very difficult to get him to sleep.
I'm off for a quick cuppa and hoping he will sleep. Fingers crossed.

Evilwater Fri 04-Jan-13 21:37:40

It's every time I start the evening meal he kicks off in the evening. I do the same thing each night, expect when I've had a draining day and let him settle in our bed.
I don't mind that it takes ages for him to go to sleep, it's just the screaming. Not crying, screaming!


Passmethecrisps Fri 04-Jan-13 22:07:32

I am sorry, evil. It is the worst listening to endless screaming. I don't know what else you can reasonably do. When did he start doing this?

NotSoNervous Fri 04-Jan-13 22:16:20

misslaugh that is brilliant! I swear babies must have this conversation. It's gave me a well needed smile

Very brave VQ sounds like you have nothing to worry about with your DD2 grin

fatima my DD had thrush but it was only just starting and we got medication straight away so thankfully it didn't get worse but she had a white tongue but as you say it's always abit white but it seem to get abit whiter and she had white spots in the roof if her mouth

4oz that's great freddie

evil\ bed times can be hard work, o ur takes between 1hr15min to 1hr45min, we always sart at the same time and follow the same order. I also fi d that if LO misses her bath one night then I no I'm in for a bad night

I'm taking the slings back to the library tomorrow, Lo screams every time I put her into it so I'm notgoingto bother, I brought a vibrating bouncer chair for the kitchen so she can sit in there with me, if I try and leave her in her swing in the living room her mummy radar goes wild and she cries blue murder

Evilwater Fri 04-Jan-13 22:22:16

Pass - about a week, when the colic re- started. When he hit 12 weeks.


Evilwater Fri 04-Jan-13 22:24:44

He's asleep now!

PetiteRaleuse Fri 04-Jan-13 22:28:18

OMG. Stunt and Detective you are scaring me. I can't see any Dr other than ER until Monday. And it doesn't feel bad enough for that.

To cap it all, my until now wonderful marvellous DH came home this evening and has been utterly vile, hinting that I sit here doing diddly squat a day and that I'm making a rod for my back etc etc with my (ILL) children. He's always been great but there were really threatening undertones today that he doesn't want to be with me anymore.

I think I'm going to have to start a thread as I can't burden you lot with all my issues anymore. This has come completely out of the blue. I'm completely stunned.

NotSoNervous Fri 04-Jan-13 22:28:20

Do you bath every night evil? We don't wash DD every night but she loves a kick about so 10 min in it seems to work wonders

NotSoNervous Fri 04-Jan-13 22:30:25

Aw petite your both having a really tough time of it at the moment maybe it's all just getting to him and he's taking it out on the closest person to him. You don't burden us at all were all here too help and support each other

Evilwater Fri 04-Jan-13 22:34:45

PR- please look after your self.

Not- no, he does not like the bath. He only gets bathed once a week, he sleeps better, but screams blue murder.


NotSoNervous Fri 04-Jan-13 22:38:17

Oh that won't be much help then sadsorry I don't no what else to suggest. Have you tried Ewan? I haven't but a few ladies on here have

NotSoNervous Fri 04-Jan-13 22:38:43

Oh that won't be much help then sadsorry I don't no what else to suggest. Have you tried Ewan? I haven't but a few ladies on here have

pikz Fri 04-Jan-13 22:52:06

For sale. One very cute baby who hasn't slept in 12 hours and shows no signs of sleep yet. Comes with a good supply of size 2 nappies, some nice white company pjs and a days supply of milk. Open to offers.

DonnaDoon Fri 04-Jan-13 22:52:37

Evil does N have tummy time in they eve? Just thinking that might help his tummy wind maybe. PR you are not a burden and I second what nervous says.

DonnaDoon Fri 04-Jan-13 22:53:39

pikz lol

Passmethecrisps Fri 04-Jan-13 23:01:42

petite you are not burdening us - we all need this group in our own way. You have all had a dreadful time of it and I would imagine that you are both quite exhausted. If this has come out of the blue it is possible it is more a repsonse to the situation than actual feelings. If you can get sleep tonight then do so and perhaps try to discuss it tomorrow. You have said you have little RL support where you are - it is possible he is also feeling isolated and angry. Whatever the reason I really hope that you are ok.

evil what about proper swaddling? Like a swaddle me? You can get large ones. Penelope whines when first put in hers but settles extremely quickly when put down. She actually is sometimes still awake when I am dozing off but the swaddle helps her feel secure so she just lies there. Also, Penelope is bathed every day. She likes the kick about in the water but screams blue murder when taken out. She properely screams herself hoarse. It sounds awful but she sleeps wonderfully afterwards and in the grand scheme of things she is only crying for minutes - 3 max. We use bathtime bubbles and body lotion. We have got in to such a routine now that I am actually scared not to do any stage of it now. This includes forcing poor wee sausage to endure body lotion. We put Ewan on but had white noise apps prior to that.

I think it must be especially hard that it has started recently havig not been a problem before.

PetiteRaleuse Fri 04-Jan-13 23:05:22

Thank you you're so lovely. Yes we are both super stressed. But a red flag has been waved. And I am so not amused smile

TheDetective Fri 04-Jan-13 23:47:11

PR sad Sending hugs. Other halves can be dicks. They know how to push buttons.

Nervous, liking the name change!

Sophia WOOHOO! Think that sounds perfect to me!

I've had a lavender bath. With Oscar. And DP. That is approx 28 stone. In one small bath. There was 1 inch of water. grin That kid sure does love the bath. We stayed in for far too long. Prunes r us.

I've had a hot chocolate shhhhhhhhhh it had whipped cream.

Oscar is having his last feed.

I'm going to take my nytol.



PetiteRaleuse Fri 04-Jan-13 23:58:51

Oh Detective, I bought some lavender oil. The pharmacist had to prepare it specially. I have to wait til both DDs are breathing healthily before using it. That said LO has slept through two nights in a row. Maybe it was her new year resolution. Or maybe she's just getting me comfy before she tries out the techniques to test my sanity that someone ciopied upthread.

TheDetective Sat 05-Jan-13 00:02:47

I just wish the lavender fixed my bits - that is what I got it for! It didn't. But it did make me sleep. I am going to bed. If he finishes the fecking feed!

GTbaby Sat 05-Jan-13 00:07:13

How do u use lavender to help LO sleep? In bath? On sheets? Think I might give it a go.
An I right in assuming ur using it with ur babies? Not older kids?

TheDetective Sat 05-Jan-13 00:15:32

Both GT. I was told it is fine for babies, but one or two drops only. I put them in the bath for me and Oscar. I put them on a tissue next to DS1 when he was sleeping grin. Bad mummy!

PR I've just seen from another thread that your 2 DCs have RSV! It's a real arse of a thing to have, poor mites. That's what J was in hospital for 2 weeks with before Xmas after it turning into bronchiolitus. I hope they're feeling better soon.

StuntNun Sat 05-Jan-13 05:59:20

Daisy please let us know how you get on with the mei tai. I have a woven wrap but hardly use it as J doesn't seem to like it.

GTbaby Sat 05-Jan-13 06:34:57

LO pissed on my bed. blush Rather then change my sheets I've moved to the other side of the bed. Helps DH is on night shift. This is what my life has come to. So tiered, can't even b arsed to change sheets. sad

NotSoNervous Sat 05-Jan-13 06:44:48

Thanks detective grin

stunt I'm taking back the mei tai today just because lo didn't like it. I was impressed with hoe easy it was to put on though

Just on 2nd feed of the night

Sophiathesnowfairy Sat 05-Jan-13 07:14:10

Lol pikz can one take the pjs and not the baby r do the have to come as a package? Buyer can collect!

Sophiathesnowfairy Sat 05-Jan-13 07:24:26

PR I was thinking of your situation in the night and I think you both need to hit the reset button. That trip to the mountains is a must. Your DH has probably had a moment where it all got on top of him. Flip the tables and pretend it is you and the kids and him are ill and you are trying to be supportive emotionally. No matter how hard to try sometimes you might get a bit cross and resentful. Well, I know I would, and have.

We all write it down on here....your DH hasn't got that release and like the others say he has just taken it out on you.

Take some time out you have both had a difficult few weeks. thanks

ChunkyTurkeywiththetrimmings Sat 05-Jan-13 07:47:20

I am feeling ever more grateful that I have a v v happy, smiley and content baby at the moment, have jinxed things now when I read how many stressful things everyone else has to endure. Admittedly it hasn't been all plain sailing with the feeding - tongue tie, mastitis, plugged ducts (which I had developed on top of the mastitis, one for each boob!! shock) but seems to be clearing now - but even then, its been relatively easy. So v v v grateful.

However, had the 2nd big row with DH in 2 days yesterday. He has been a bit "typically male" lately & I've been feeling stressed with Christmas+baby+DD ill+DH ill that I'm resenting him & his freedom. He gets to do what he wants, when he wants. Yesterday, I've taken to bed to rest & get over the boob issues. He decides that he needn't bother doing any housework until he's cooking dinner, do sits on his arse watching blu-rays & playing computer games. Then wonders why I'm cross!!! Makes out I'm unreasonable, should accept he's going to it, to tell him what jobs to do if I want them doing etc. I mean, when do I get a break then??!!!

It also pissed me off that I'm constantly having to persuade him to not do things if he's ill, like the meal on NY's day, or hockey today. I mean, who would play hockey with a chest infection, or even when they're recovering from one whilst on antibiotics?? Would you believe I also had to remind him that he couldn't play hockey when Aaron was 6do, as I'd need his help. He didn't play, but it seemed that he almost believed it was a bit OTT of me & a bit unfair! Plus, we has a row during my pg, because my yoga clashed with his hockey training, we have 1 car & they're in opposite directions & DD needed looking after. He was shock when I said I wouldn't alternate with him & wanted to go every wk from September through to Aaron's birth. I mean, it was only 12wks out of his hockey, but the entire end 1/3 ish of my pg. It was only 'me time' ever and I needed it to help me stay fit & well, plus prepare for the birth. Yet, he can use the
"hockey keeps me fit" line as a justification for wanting to play his hobby.angry

Finding it v hard to see him as a nice, loving husband & father atm, & not just a selfish, inconsiderate burden & cause of more housework. His life hasn't bloody changed one bit & mine has, even more than with DD, & he can't see how frustrating that is for me. How fair is it that when he was ill, I had both kids & the housework to deal with, but when I'm trying to rest so I don't get ill, I get DD babysat/she's asleep, I've got LO, & he ignores the housework until it suits him to do it? His attitude was "you shouldn't do the housework, you need to rest". Well I'd love to - but if I don't do it, clearly no other fucker will!!!! Why the hell couldn't he have emptied the dishwasher or something??!!! Selfish twunt.

Sorry for the rant. At least DS smiling at me make it worthwhile.

PR sorry to hear you've got yet more to deal with. Hope you're physically on the mend & emotionally, things are just in turmoil due to the stressful time rather than anything else.

ChunkyTurkeywiththetrimmings Sat 05-Jan-13 08:27:32

Is this a man thing or my DH thing?

LO starting to cry in basket. I pick up, try winding, still grumpy, try new nappy, still crying. I go to wash hands, Lo full on crying, DH still asleep. Come back, DH picked up DS, says think he's hungry, hands him to me, goes to loo. I start to feed DS, DH comes back, gets in bed, immediately back to sleep, starts snoring!!! He has had 8hrs sleep, it is gone 8am!!! Seriously, I would love even half of that as undisturbed sleep. But 8hrs & still falling asleep like he's exhausted. Wtf is with that??!!!!

Sophiathesnowfairy Sat 05-Jan-13 08:45:30

I must venture to the lounge to get my straighteners into the midst of the squabbling tweenies.

Elizadoesdolittle Sat 05-Jan-13 09:08:41

Well after an unsettled evening E went from 12:30-5:30 in her Moses basket. Best she has done. It's nice to not feel shattered!

pr that's really shit. Sorry to hear you are now having issues with your DH after everything you're going through. I hope he sorts himself out.

StuntNun Sat 05-Jan-13 09:09:13

Definitely a man thing Chunky. Apparently my ILs are upset with me because I have been 'bossing DH around lately' especially after me saying he couldn't pick up his DB from the airport one day both his parents have cars FFS. They obviously don't realise that DH's life continued on as normal while I was recovering from the CS and it took 6-7 weeks to get to the point where I could have some me-time while DH looked after J and even then it's been an hour. He's still going out when he wants, playing XBox, playing his guitar, etc. I haven't touched my saxophone in seven weeks and it looks like I'm going to have to give up on my OU course because I can't have the four hours I need a week to study.

I really hate that bullshit line they feed you about not doing any housework after the baby's born. I don't actually have a line of people queuing up to do my housework. If I want to eat or wear clean clothes or have clean sheets then I have to do it. I'm sure a lot of you are in the same boat. I'm so cross that I was having to fight to get my basic needs met and then the PIL say I'm being too bossy.

horseylady Sat 05-Jan-13 09:17:19

Ds coughing nearly all night. It got so bad at one point I nearly called 999. Anyway eventually gave him some Calpol and he's calmed down slightly. If he starts again he's going to a&e, or the emergency dr. I just had him lying on me trying to get the fluid up sad

If he feels like I feel (which I suspect he does) then he can't know what to do with himself sad

ValiumQueen Sat 05-Jan-13 10:00:59

horsey not caught up with thread, but I would advise you to get him looked at today regardless. Things are likely to be worse tonight. Likely bronchiolitis. Thankfully he is bigger now.

MissMummy1 Sat 05-Jan-13 10:05:12

How scary horsey is it worth getting him checked anyway?

Definitely a man thing. Mine WAS wonderman for the first 3 or so weeks after I had M but has now reverted to his old ways. The only real job I need him to do (although emptying dishwasher or running the hoover over every so often would be nice too) is take the bins out. And that takes days of nagging to get done... He's really helpful with M but that's slipping now too during the night: "I'm working I need to sleep" he can and does sleep at work.angry envy

We also had an argument over the car for my antenatal yoga classes. Apparently I should have got two busses and begged for a lift home while he had the car for dive meetings (1 door to door train). It wasnt even as though he had dive kit with him angry . I eventually reminded him it was MY car hoping doesnt backfire when our new car is in his name.

It seems men just dont seem to find the same things that are important to us are worthwhile. Take my graduation ball in June (I finished my course last year but deferred my graduation so i could graduate with the rest of my class who were either repeating years or doing the postgrad). He sees it as an unnecessary expense and is point blank refusing to go. angry Despite knowing how much I've been looking forward to it to the past year. Then when I said I'd go with a male friend on the course he kicks off about that angry angry .

I can't win. sad

ChunkyTurkeywiththetrimmings Sat 05-Jan-13 10:22:01

Thanks stunt and MissM glad I'm not the only one, although would rather no-one was in the boat iyswim. We wouldn't have to boss them about if they either did it themselves OR did it first bloody time!!! I am at least sure my MIL would be nagging my DH if she knew, so have it better there than you stunt - just what you don't need. And miss that's so selfish of him re; your grad ball! shock

ValiumQueen Sat 05-Jan-13 10:36:34

notsonervous what a lovely name change smile

PR you had antibiotics for your chest infection. I had similar pains and it was inflammation between the ribs and did not need treatment. Get seen if you are worried, but do not panic. Listen to your body. Sorry about your DH. Men find it easier to threaten leaving because it would be easier for them. If we threaten to leave, we would take the kids and lose our home so we do not threaten this unless we are at risk. He is very tired, and worried about his babies. From how he sees it, you have been at home having it easy. He does not understand. A fine example of this is my DH. I said I had a shit night. He said when he came to bed, and when he got up, we were both sleeping soundly. I said I had obviously done well to not disturb him. Also with bf, he sees me sitting all day. He does not see that the sitting is very draining in a multitude of ways, and that sitting is not like him lounging watching TV able to get up when he wants and not having to wrestle with baby and observe constantly. I hope your DH is soon back to normal.

pikz I will swap you for similar. They say a change is as good as a rest. Loving the advert grin

ValiumQueen Sat 05-Jan-13 10:50:11

Men! DH complains that he does not get to do what he wants on his days off. I say 'you have three kids, you will not have a day off to do as you please for about 10 years'. I supported him for six years while he studied, and now he is on minimum wage on a no hours contract. I have worked full time throughout and had kids in full time child-care so he could study. Grr! I so agree with the comment about just making extra housework!

PetiteRaleuse Sat 05-Jan-13 11:09:46

You're all right. Things have just got too much for all of us. just need to ride out the storm. Will plan a trip away just as soon as LO is on the mend.

The physio came again this morning for LO. Her bronchiolitis isn't getting too bad so fingers crossed the physio will do its job.

DD1's hospital routine has done her no good. Is waking up every couple of hours expecting medication and temperature checks etc.

Morning all. Feeling knackered today. Fell asleep for 30 mins last night and got woken by DHs snoring, then it kept disturbing M, luckily it didn't wake her fully.

Got to make an effort with the in-laws tonight. Saw then yesterday and was tired and still getting over this cold, things they say that grate on me I can normally smile off but I don't think I did we'll yesterday. We got in the car to go home and DH asked what was up, I looked a bit fed up.
It's just certain things they say ALL the time, or ask the same questions or repeat something we've told them but wrong. Gets on my wick. I could have a big rant but I won't. Today I'm bright and breezy grin Althogh I don't really feel it

Ms asleep in her chair and DH is due home in an hour, do I have a relaxing bath? Or a quick shower and some housework?
If I go in the bath I can guarantee M will wake up

Sophiathesnowfairy Sat 05-Jan-13 12:27:30

Bath fatima

GTbaby Sat 05-Jan-13 12:43:02

Know what u mean RE DH. As u all know he often goes from DH to H in a blink of an eye.

LO has been groggy all morning. Sounds like he is all bunged up. Got appointment with GP at 5. Hope I'm not being an OTT mum. He feels hot to touch. But not actually a temperature.

Sophiathesnowfairy Sat 05-Jan-13 12:53:51

Have to say my DH tries his best and for that I love him.

Also in good books as I was snooping around on his timeline on FB just now and read the post he put on when DS 1 was born it said "by far the best thing that has happened in my life" it brought a tear to my eye, I have to say. Don't know why I did't notice it at the time.

Oh yes....I was rater preoccupied!

Well, after good bedtime behaviour last night Tinkerbell and the secret of wings it is this afternoon.

Both twins teething at the same time! No let up with the whinging. They seem to be tag teaming each other. Both are very dribbly, DT2 has worked out how to put her fist in her mouth and gnaw away. DT1 hasn't worked that out yet and likes to chomp on my finger and dribble all over me. Both have also been very unhappy since 12 week jabs on Wednesday, more so than the first lot.

Poor mites. Poor mummy.

Got them a rang of books and they seem to love me reading to them and looking at the pictures. One particular book, I love you a Big as the World, is lovely and it is the cutest thing watching them while I read to them.

TheDetective Sat 05-Jan-13 13:31:45

Slept. Thank fuck. Went like a light out once my head was on the pillow. Oscar woke at 345, damnit! DP did the feed, even though he was up at 630 for work. I did ask him, but he didn't moan. Thank god! So I got 7 hours sleep in the end when Oscar next woke at 8! Then he slept til 12. I stayed up reading in bed smile

My dad arrives tomorrow. He is staying for 4 nights. I CBA getting organised. I just want to chill out today! I'm stuck on the sofa with a sleeping baby anyway! Watching CITV, heads up for those who remember finders keepers, fun house, children's ward, mike and angelo... Etc! It's retro weekend aaaaalll day and aaaaall weekend!

MissMummy1 Sat 05-Jan-13 13:42:41

<adds vauxhall corsa to list of impractical cars>

I have my mum's one for the day. Pram base fits in boot with wheels off. Carrycot on back seat. Such a faff. And how does anyone cope without a carseat base?!confused

TheDetective Sat 05-Jan-13 14:18:14

Yeah, my corsa that I had for 5 weeks and was then written off, was NOT suitable for life with a baby! Boot was tidgy!

I have to say, I like my pram, but have decided I hate the fact it has no car seat base. Getting in and out the car is a mission. It is fine if you are just going to one place, but if you are traveling around in and out the car it is a giant pain in the fucking ass!!

I will sell my pram after this baby, will get another if I have another baby. Expensive, but I'd rather of had the Quinny Buzz now.

Plus getting the car seat or carrycot on and off is difficult, when it isn't supposed to be! Lifting the car seat off is so hard, as you have to press both buttons on each side, and require a third hand to lift off grin.

Unfortunately this stuff doesn't become apparent til you have it home, and a baby in it!

Oh, another bugbear is I can't see the baby in the carry cot due to a stupid bumper bar over the top of the carry cot. And the basket is too small. And the raincover doesn't have a place to access the baby without removing the entire fucking thing. When we are out Oscar prefers to have a dummy, this is the main time he has one, when in the pram. So having to lift the fucking thing off every 5 seconds to put grumpys dummy back in is not fucking practical.

Oooops. Turned in to a pram rant. grin


TheDetective Sat 05-Jan-13 14:19:54

And I started off by saying I like the pram!

I mean, I like how it looks. I am hoping I will like it as a pushchair more!

Which pran have you got Detective? Can you not get a car seat base to add to it? I have to admit I do love my car seat base and car seat and so far my pram too

*pram not pran obviously

So far today M has wanted boob at least once an hour <yawn>

TheDetective Sat 05-Jan-13 14:48:35

Cosatto Giggle Fatima. There is no base for it - they don't make them, and never will sad

blonderthanred Sat 05-Jan-13 14:51:32

Hi Detective do you have the same pram as me? I found the car seat & carrycot a bit tricky to take on and off the first few times but it is fine now. The bumper bar I take off when I'm pushing the pram and put in the basket as I'm not very tall. But I love the pram overall, it is so light & L loves staring at the tree pattern.

I don't have points in my car to fit a base so that wasn't a problem for us but I wish I did! If we ever get a new car I would want to get them but in 2006 I didn't know such things existed.

MissMummy1 Sat 05-Jan-13 14:55:47

I have the same gripes with my mothercare my3. We chose it over an icandy as its much more rugged for walking the dog. I like the fact my maxicosi clips straight onto it. Not the fact you need 3 hands to take it off again. And it's big and bulky.

Considering a mamas and papas luna as a lightweight stroller. The my3 is a total ballache on the train..

mm omg you've worked sooooo hard - he should be by your side feeling so proud of you!!! I can't wait til I graduate got to start the darned degree first and get through 3 years

detective yay for sleep!!! Before dots I could only sleep in my bed with v dark n v quiet room and hated night shifts as there's no way I could sleep during my break or during the day but since having dots I can sleep anytime/anywhere with her lightshow and womb noises on - hope it continues when I'm back to work!!!

Last night I went and had the implant put in - not as bad as I thought and just a bit tender today!!

Met with the first childminder today - she seemed lovely and her house is big, clean and full of toys, I've got 3 more to see next week!!

Starting to get bits through for uni now so getting super excited though I'm spending a fortune when chained to the sofa bf'ing Dottie on lanyards/tape measures and work shoes.

YellowWellies Sat 05-Jan-13 16:01:26

Evil am I right that your wee one cries every evening? I wonder if he is in pain when laid flat - late onset reflux often appears at the 3 month mark. Try Harvey Karp 5s to settle and if that doesn't work I would say he's in pain. If it is silent reflux they don't chuck up - is his mouth bubbly - does he often sound to be swallowing / clearing his throat?

ChunkyTurkeywiththetrimmings Sat 05-Jan-13 16:32:01

I wish I had a car seat base in the car but the one for our car seat doesn't fit our car seats - its a sport version so the seats are slightly 'bucket'. However, the travel system itself is great & the car seat is reputed to fit on the tandem we bought, so I figure fitting the seat belt each time is a small drawback.

Yeh!! detective small mercies... smile

DH is making more of an effort today & so he should, as DS appears to be having a growth spurt...

ValiumQueen Sat 05-Jan-13 16:39:26

The car seat is a pain without the base. I had a base with the other two but found once they got to 3 months they were too heavy to carry in the seat anyway, so left the seat in the car from then on. I am thinking of buying a car seat that can stay reverse facing longer. Britax first class I think it is called. Chances are DS will outgrow the silver cross seat before 9 months. I would love one of those fancy rear facing seats but they cost hundreds. There was a rumour on here a while back that it would be law to be rear facing until 4 in the near future. The first class seat stays strapped in and it is fairly easy to get them in and out. Apparently.

horseylady Sat 05-Jan-13 16:54:20

Well he seems better again. Hopefully tonight will be ok. If not he's going to hospital. Seriously worried last night but today he's eaten much better, so I'm taking it as a much more positive sign.

I on the other hand am full of fecking cold. And annoyed with the cold.

Dh not too bad. He will never do anything on his own, but after 10 years together I don't expect that to change!!

ValiumQueen Sat 05-Jan-13 16:56:12

Hope he stays better horsey

horseylady Sat 05-Jan-13 16:59:41

Hopefully. He's coughed a bit but no more choking sounds. Was truely scary.

YellowWellies Sat 05-Jan-13 17:16:42

Choking is horrible sad Poor E glad to hear he's on the mend. If anyone is wondering what to do with a choking baby - (reflux babies tend to choke quite often so we end up doing this near daily sad) we were told to blow in his face to force him to take a breath - they hate it but it works!

YellowWellies Sat 05-Jan-13 17:24:02

Glenda what are you studying? Good luck - I agree MM your graduation SHOULD be a big deal to your DH!

I have to say I love my buggy (Mamas and Papas Sola) it's light and compact (what we picked it for due to the Which recommendation) but at times it too requires a 3rd hand! When J gets older am hoping to buy my sisters old Phil and Ted as I love the one handed fold / unfold - it genuinely is one handed.

horseylady Sat 05-Jan-13 17:25:41

Yes that's what we do. To be honest it happened daily during feeds, but hed not really done it for a couple if weeks so to start again was horrid.

Horrid colds sad

horseylady Sat 05-Jan-13 17:26:36

The uppababy is one handed!! Love it!!

MissMummy1 Sat 05-Jan-13 17:44:59

He's happy to come to the grad ceremony. Just not the ball. angry At £90 each plus a hotel overnight plus a tank of fuel to get up and down and dress and kilt hire it will be an expensive night, but I worked damn hard for 3 years to get here... M will be 7 months and my mum is desperate to have her overnight while we're away so childcare isnt an issue hmm

Passmethecrisps Sat 05-Jan-13 17:48:27

Do you find it 1 handed horsey? I love it but need to develop the knack for it.

Went for a curry (shh - don't tell the diet thread). P was good as gold looking up at the lights and smiling at me while I ate naan.

YW I also wondered about evil's LO having late onset reflux. Could it be possible that a one off acid attack could spark a bit of a sleep aversion?

Passmethecrisps Sat 05-Jan-13 17:59:23

I meant to ask, does anyone else's LO get a bit grumpy being held? P gets grumpy in the evening and last night I needed to pop her in the car seat for a minute while she was upset - she calmed right down.

She started getting grumpy again this evening - what starts as sort of shouting can become complete screaming habdabs - so I suggested to DH the he pops her in her Moses basket. She immediately calmed right down again. She is in there just now still occassionally calling out but completely calm. She is propped up so can see us.

Anyone else's LO the same?

YellowWellies Sat 05-Jan-13 18:06:37

The only crying in our house that is inconsolable and which goes on for more than a moment or two is reflux pain which made me think it must be a pain cry... that and the fact that Evil feels at the end of our tether (which is us when not on meds). I'm sure I'm paranoid and seeing it everywhere but have a read of a book called Colic Solved - it's changed our life (sounds trite!) but true - we're now regularly getting sleep from 9/10pm til 6am and no tears at bedtime - and we have no routine to speak of (so don't feel that that is a magic remedy).

Reflux would also explain why your LO doesn't like the bath (if he's laid flattish) as he could be getting acid burns in his throat.

Last night was the first night in ages we've had a middle of the night feed and I blame that on us waking him up when we went to bed and I stupidly gave him a dream feed to help him go back to sleep - somehow that always seems to make him more hungry and wake a short time later. It was around midnight - maybes he's a gremlin! No more dream feeds!

YellowWellies Sat 05-Jan-13 18:12:03

Pass J has developed this in the past week too! - sometimes he seems 'touched out' and is much happier after 20 mins kicking around on his propped up mat. I guess if they are focussing on muscle tone development they can't do that so well in our arms? - I'm not complaining - its nice that he wants to be put down!!!!

Passmethecrisps Sat 05-Jan-13 18:14:48

That would make sense. She just gets crosser and crosser until she is really crying. Normally she likes contact like any other baby

horseylady Sat 05-Jan-13 18:18:36

Taking pram off two handed but yeah pretty much one handed. I don't use the car seat bit, he's mainly carried about in the sling tbh. But my backs been hurting this week so used the pram again!!

Not noticed him not liking being on people. He seems happiest on someone!!

TheDetective Sat 05-Jan-13 18:22:33

Oscar likes variation - once he has fed, he doesn't usually fall straight asleep. He wants to play, and will get angry if you get the wrong thing! He has his vibrating chair, swinging chair, and 2 playmats. He knows which one he wants. I have to read his mind grin. Then he gets shouty when he wants picking up, and that is cuddle time, then sleep time! I think it is normal that they don't want holding all the time. He enjoys kicking his legs out now!

Shame the same can't be said for when he naps in the day - putting him down is pot luck to whether he will or won't be put down!

Passmethecrisps Sat 05-Jan-13 18:23:06

I do love swishing the vista about the place.

After 10 minutes in her basket p started getting cross again and wanted picked up. She is now snoozing while I watch the end of a homeland episode before bathtime. I think the 'touched out' theory might well be right. I also wondered if it might relate to the reflux - on her own she can get herself comfy in a way that suits her.

YellowWellies Sat 05-Jan-13 18:25:57

Yeah J is normally a velcro baby 23.5 hours a day if I let him but he has the odd evening he "vants to be alone" (a la Marlene Dietrich!) for 20 mins - he'll be smiling watching and listening but is enjoying kicking and trying to roll.

YellowWellies Sat 05-Jan-13 18:27:42

It could be reflux related - it only happens on an evening! I wonder!

pikz Sat 05-Jan-13 18:48:29

Would like mil, adopted child, family friends of mil and 18mnth old to all go home now. Have had enough. Want my afternoon snoozes with LO back and some peace and time to chill and not have to entertain all the time. Am exhausted.

ValiumQueen Sat 05-Jan-13 19:38:49

I wish my PnT was one handed fold. You nearly end up with one hand after folding it!

So how do you rate the chances of J taking a bottle of expressed milk tomorrow lunchtime? 10 weeks. First encounter with rubber. Part of me wants him to refuse it so I am 'stuck' bfing him. Most of me wants him to so I can have a bloody break. 2 hours sleep maximum stretch last night. What with his chest, his peeing-for-Scotland, and his wind.... Grr! Just as well he is cute.

Izzybuzzybuzzybees Sat 05-Jan-13 20:21:05

I've only just caught up again, finding it hard to keep up!

I had a night out in Edinburgh last night, Boobs were solid when I got home but managed to express and then feed James ok.

He has fed loads today, think he is making up for me leaving him!

Evilwater Sat 05-Jan-13 20:27:00

Back again ladies, he is tired. He wants to sleep. Then why does he cry so much? He even turned purple today.
He's still crying now. I'm wondering weather letting him cry it out, is my only option.

Evilwater Sat 05-Jan-13 20:33:36

he's on me and calming down. I can't keep up with this, he's even starting like this during the day.

Evilwater Sat 05-Jan-13 20:48:43

And he's down. Going for a well deserved cuppa.
Time to go to bed 2 hours and 15 mins with hysterical crying.


horseylady Sat 05-Jan-13 20:55:18

Evil - is he tired when going down? Is he going into a cold bed? How much sleep does he have in the day? He's only 12 weeks, it's quite little. Ds at 10 weeks goes into him pram at night but has his dummy and my hand on his chest/hugging him gently. He goes off like this.

Our bedtime routine doesn't start till 9.30pm as before this he's not ready. At some point it will need to come forward but I'm hoping it just happens.

Is it worth looking at a later bed time?

I personally think letting them cry it out in their bed means they associate it with that. A bit like our experience of breast feeding!!

Evilwater Sat 05-Jan-13 21:01:36

He's crying again.

PetiteRaleuse Sat 05-Jan-13 21:22:07

Horsey how is E? The Dr advised us to let LO sleep at an angle so her head is higher than her body. It's scary when they have a coughing fit. LO has them a lot at the moment due to bastard bronchiolitis, and it's worse just as she wakes up.

Shite day here. Everyone in a bad mood and either sulking or crying.

Evilwater Sat 05-Jan-13 21:23:10

He is tired when I put him to bed. It could be the bed is cold. I'm exhausted, DP and I are snapping at each other. Baby asleep on me. Will post in the morning.

YellowWellies Sat 05-Jan-13 21:25:23

Evil if it's encroaching into the day it really sounds like it might be late onset reflux. In which case crying it out would do more harm than good (literally - it would cause more acid to come up).

YellowWellies Sat 05-Jan-13 21:26:26

Horsey J doesn't start nodding off for the night until half nine either. He sleeps well during hte night so it doesn't bother me at the mo.

Passmethecrisps Sat 05-Jan-13 21:34:02

evil yw and I must sound like broken records but I was thinking the same thing. P started reflux symptoms in the middle of the night then it became all day.

With P she would be fine then suddenly look shocked and her face would go scarlet before the screaming would start. It went on and on and in for hours - tortured screaming. She would wriggle and squirm while arching her back and going ram rod straight. The only time she could sleep was when cuddled into me having exhausted herself.

It felt like it started from nothing and suddenly we had this massive problem.

The symptoms can vary of course but what you are going through really does sound similar.

Passmethecrisps Sat 05-Jan-13 21:37:19

And VQ whatever happens with the bottle I hope it helps in some way.

horseylady Sat 05-Jan-13 21:39:08

Sleeping!! He fed brilliantly at 12 and 3 then slept. Woke hysteical at 6, hardly ate, then slept about 8 and is still asleep. Though his little eyes are opening!!

Am putting the cot to more of an angle as he's not coughed much today while upright. Hopefully he'll eat well before bed and overnight again.

Odd thing is, apart from the cough and reduced appetite he's fine!! Yes he's sleeping slightly more but he's quite happy?

If I have what he's got then I feel for him. It's horrid. I don't feel like eating either sad

blonderthanred Sat 05-Jan-13 21:53:33

Our bedtime is about half nine as well, before that he will snooze on me but quite lightly so not ready for bed.

VQ good luck with the bottle, is your DH giving it or are you? L has only taken bottle from DH so far - we are giving ebm top ups. But he took it very well aside from a few splutters, 4 days now and he is still more than happy to bf.

This may sound strange but did I read on here or somewhere else about running a finger from the forehead down the nose to get them to close their eyes? It doesn't work every time but several times it has, sometimes with almost instant effect. Worth a try anyway.

daisychain76 Sat 05-Jan-13 22:14:42

Yw we have the mammas and pappas sola too ~ my one small gripe is l don‘t think the shopping basket on the bottom is too small (or may be l buy too much food!)

Evil no advice l‘m afraid, but lots of sympathy ~ ds1 used to be really hard work and we used to spend hourss driving round to get him to sleep. It does pass though.

Tits on routine l find it is easier on school days. l get h up about half an hour before other dcs and feed and dress him. Then he watches on bed while dcs get ready round him and sits in his bouncy chair when we have breakfast. That means he drops off for a morning nap on the school run or just after. Rest of the day is still hit and miss though.

Got my 1st day in charge of my Church‘s Sunday morning youth group tomorrow. Feeling quite scared...!

DonnaDoon Sat 05-Jan-13 22:25:52

daisygood luck you're brave!

Izzybuzzybuzzybees Sat 05-Jan-13 22:37:51

I can't believe you all have bedtimes for your babies...we still struggle and have no routine at all and only take J to bed when we go up!

All advice welcome!

He is asleep now but has been feeding loads since his bath. We don't have a routine at all just feed when he wants and sleep when he wants!

Sophiathesnowfairy Sat 05-Jan-13 22:41:39

Good luck tomorrow daisy

ChunkyTurkeywiththetrimmings Sat 05-Jan-13 22:45:16

We've only just started putting DS to bed before us izzy because he seemed to be feeding & sleeping for a long time at roughly the same time each night.

Tonight however, he is feeding constantly and fussing. Typical growth spurt behaviour...hmm

DonnaDoon Sat 05-Jan-13 23:00:21

izzywe have no routine either dd just feeds and sleeps as and when it suits her and she comes to bed when we do...so your not on your own all babbas are different

KissysUnderTheMisteltoe Sat 05-Jan-13 23:03:30

Same with our LO Izzy - you're definitely not alone smile

PetiteRaleuse Sat 05-Jan-13 23:08:42

Horsey apart from coughing and eating less LO is also apparently ok apart from during her physio when she screams and sounds like she is drowning. Today she cried a lot but that was due to wind judging by the smells and not to do with the bronchiolitis.

StuntNun Sat 05-Jan-13 23:22:28

No routine here either Izzy. J is fed and sleeps when he wants so we're totally baby-led and on demand. He'll have to adjust a bit from Monday when everyone's back to work and school but I'll stick with on demand as much as possible. I wait for them to find their own pattern then work with that.

J had his first swim today and loved it. The pool was a little bit cold bit he didn't shiver or turn blue so we stayed in for ages.

GTbaby Sat 05-Jan-13 23:29:52

Hello all. I was being a little OTT mum today. LO is ok. Temp is a tiny bit high. Chest clear. Has a little cough. N is snotty. Is it wrong to say its a cute cough blush lol. Gota use saline drops to clear snot. And calpol.

I love it when LO is all curled up asleep in bed. When I pick him up he stays in his ball. It's so cute.

DonnaDoon Sat 05-Jan-13 23:30:34

Aww stunt I would love to take dd swimming because she loves the bath so much but I think she probably would turn blue lol like me she hates being cold I'm still swaddling her in blankets.

DonnaDoon Sat 05-Jan-13 23:33:26

I know what you mean by the cute ball lol...does anyone else love the smell of a full milky nappy...or am I proper weird?

GTbaby Sat 05-Jan-13 23:42:12

I don't see the appeal of the nappy. But my cousin said she loved it. We all laughed at her. But now I know two of u like it, it can't be weird.

Evil - What are you doing differently at bedtime that you're not doing during the day? maybe try to leave starting a bedtime routine until he's a bit older, 5 or 6 months maybe?

With our evening meal, I just prep it during the day if I can and DH sticks it on when we are ready to eat. So today was a good day and I had stew slow cooking in the oven and potatoes ready to go on in the saucepan. Then we will eat when it's ready, usually on the couch, if L is feeding I just eat out of a bowl while feeding, sometimes he will sit in his bouncer for 10 mins while i wolf it down!

I just have L sleeping downstairs in his pram until I'm going to bed, then I bring him up with me and feed him to sleep. He is only 6weeks though.

Do you think it might be reflux? Try propping up his cot legs with some big books, that worked for us with DS1. And if you think it's reflux, do take him to the docs to try get some meds, they are a lifesaver.

Perhaps it's a growth spurt? Try adding an extra ounce or two to feeds to see if he'll take it, he might just be hungry?

Good luck with the bottle VQ _ I'm planning to trry this week too. Have to dig out the steriliser though...ugh.

Blonder _ I use the rubbing the pridge of the nose thing too, I thought it was the BEST THING EVER when I discovered it with DS1.

PR- Hope you're ok and DDs continue to get better. DH and I had a rough patch when DS1 was little and we got through it, we have no support here really either and it's tough.

Stunt _ i';m the same, no routine whatsoever and I'm a lot more relaxed for it, although lately he seems to sleep from around 8-11 in the evening, which is nicesmile

Really good day today - two good naps and lots of playtime with DS1, he's so funny and cute at the momentsmile

Izzybuzzybuzzybees Sun 06-Jan-13 00:17:59

Glad to hear I'm not the only one then! I was worried.

Were feeding just now and hoping to go to bed soon. I'm upstairs at least now.

GTbaby Sun 06-Jan-13 03:55:26

Exhausted. Haven't had a 4am feed in ages hmm really hope it's due to LO feeling poorly n not regression.
DH is on night shift. I'm putti g LO I. My bed. I can't n getting up every few minutes to pick her up.
DH won't b happy!

rowingdowntheriver Sun 06-Jan-13 04:07:15

It's been ages since I've been on here as I've been too tired during night feeds to mumsnet!

gt, 4am is sleep regression for you?! My LO has recently started waking at 4 (not tonight though unfortunately) and it is a massive improvement on when he had been waking so I'm generally pleased about it! If he wakes at 4 it tends to mean that the ext wake up isn't until 6.30 or 7.00 which given I get up at 7.00 or 7.30 anyway with DS1 isn't really a night feed for me.

Am going to try catching up on the rest of the thread now.

Lane81 Sun 06-Jan-13 04:53:12

I'm with rowing, we're now on 11-4 and that's a big improvement for me! Hope it sticks for a while!!

I have no routine, LO doesn't get sleepy till 11 and still feeds a lot in the evening. Hoping it will naturally change and get earlier as she feeds more efficiently as she gets bigger. If not, around 4/5 months will try putting her down 15 mins earlier every week. Maybe try being baby led for a while? I have no idea though and am just blindly managing to get from one week to the next!

kirrinIsland Sun 06-Jan-13 05:36:28

We have no routine either. N comes up to bed when I do but has so far refused to go down her Moses basket before about midnight. I might try bringing her up a bit earlier and sitting in the dark for a while to see if i can "reset" her a bit, but I'm a bit worried that she'll then start waking earlier? At the moment she does 12-5, 6-8ish - which isn't too bad really.

pass I was going to ask on here about something N did today that I've not seen before, and then saw your description of P! Twice, N was laying on her back when she suddenly went bright red, looked really shocked and started proper crying / screaming. Only lasted for a few seconds after i picked her up though. Is this reflux?? Or just the odd bout of baby heartburn? She's been fine at night and after feeds etc. I guess I'll just keep an eye on it.

CandyPop Sun 06-Jan-13 05:48:46

Hmm LO is still getting fed during the night .... So not much different from the day, every 3-4 hrs (although during day she might have a couple feeds every 2 1/2hrs. She's 8 weeks old - should she be going longer at night now?! She's being ebf does that make a difference ?

Ahhhh yesterday I started to have signs of mastitis Again! Had it when she was 5 weeks old. Last time round I left it a few days before seeing the doc for antibiotics. However this time round I am more wise and a friend who also has a newborn and currently on a course of antibiotics for it has given some of her pills to me to last me till Monday before I get some from docs . It's a bit naughty with self diagnoses but I have a temperature and feels exactly the same as last time albeit a different area of the breast ! Just don't think I can stand the hot and cold sweats and the pain again so wanted to treat it ASAP! It does mean come Monday if my symptoms get better I will have to 'fake' them as I need to get the antibiotics to finish course as well as give back to my friend so she can finish her course ! Who would have thought motherhood would have led to drug dealing too! :D

Why am I not sleeping?! LO woke for feed and then straight back to sleep over 1/2 hr ago! Ok better go catch more sleep smile

GTbaby Sun 06-Jan-13 07:48:01

Sry folks complaining that LO is waking at 4 may have been insensitive.
He is one of the oldest on the thread tho. Being a October baby is 12 weeks old. At 8 weeks he was making it till 4am after a 11pm feed.
At 9 weeks all of a sudden started going from 11 to 8. Last few days its gone to 6 am n today 4 am. hmm

Lane81 Sun 06-Jan-13 07:50:06

You weren't at all GT!! grin I was just pondering that I consider it a good night...but it's still not a proper nights sleep which you really need! Hope LO goes back to sleeping properly soon!

Lane81 Sun 06-Jan-13 07:52:47

Maybe those with older children know a bit about the 4 month sleep regression... I'm dreading it! Hopefully it's just a couple of bad nights for you though-fc

horseylady Sun 06-Jan-13 08:14:11

Gt - ds has started 4am waking too with the cold. He's not really eating enough in the day to make it through the night plus I think his throat is sore.

Better night though. Less coughing so the propping up worked. Still not eating much. A good 1-3oz down on each feed sad think well be at the dr Monday morning as it'll be a week post jabs and a week of reduced feeds.I know he's eating overnight but that's still about 3oz down on how much he eats normally?

Passmethecrisps Sun 06-Jan-13 08:48:59

kirrin it could have been a one-off incident. Just like us babies will get acid occassionally. You could exercise preventative measures like raising the cot and keeping LO upright for at least 15 mins after a feed.

Sorry to hear of repeated mastitis -sound awful!

We have a routine for P but she led it - I am not convinced you could enforce a routine on an 8 week old. She started sleeping longer after her bath and feed and then chose herself to drop the 4am feed. I sometimes think that waking her at around 11-12 at night for her meds moved us along into a routine which we wouldn't otherwise have had.

CandyPop Sun 06-Jan-13 09:26:21

gt not insensitive at all smile just interesting to see how other babies are doing , they are all different ! I'm not convinced that she really needs the 4am feed. I think she wakes out of habit confused not sure If they can at this age ..... But she literally only feeds for 5 mins then she nods of again. Might just try leaving her in her cot and see if she self settles ?!

pass do u bath your LO everyday? What time do you do it? I know gina ford says at 6pm ......

Also how awake duribg the day is your LOs?! I'm sure mine still sleeps more than she is awake.... Should I make her stay awake ?!

TheDetective Sun 06-Jan-13 09:31:15

We don't have a routine. Baby led here too. He usually has his last feed between 1030-1130pm then sleeps between 4-6 hours. Then goes back down for 3-4 hours. In the last few days anyway...

Last night he was screaming for a feed at 930 which was early for him. He has fed at 730 already. As I was tired, and dp already asleep on the sofa hmm I decided to bring him upstairs so he would know it was bedtime. Shouldn't of bothered! He knew it wasn't his bedtime! It still took us til almost midnight to totally settle him. hmm

Anyway he slept til 430, which means 7 hours between feeds. Just a shame it didn't have 7 hours of sleep to go with it! Then he slept again til 9.

And I managed sleep with no drugs yay!

StuntNun Sun 06-Jan-13 09:35:50

J does the same at his 3 a.m. feed Candy. He has proper feeds at 2 and 5 a.m. but the 3 a.m. one only lasts five minutes.

ValiumQueen Sun 06-Jan-13 09:44:51

Better night. Feeding every 2 hours rather than hourly like last night, at 10 weeks. Largely waking due to breathing issues. If he woke at 4am only I would think I had won the lottery as I am so very tired.

I do not think you are being insensitive GT but I think you possibly expect a bit too much for your little lad. He really is doing very well. Between now and when he leaves home, your sleep will be disturbed often for a huge variety of reasons. When he has chickenpox for example you will have several sleepless nights. When you have more kids, you will be extremely grateful for the odd night of clear sleeping, and think perhaps you should have stopped at one when running from room to room with sick bowls and medication. Being woken by the sound of a vomiting toddler remains my most significant memory of this. Joys of parenthood!

Passmethecrisps Sun 06-Jan-13 09:46:12

candy we bath p every day. Our evening 'routine' is a bit like this:

6:15 have bath

6:30 bedtime feed with lower lights and telly off or down (sometimes - depends what we are watching)

7pm settle in Moses basket in sitting room. We move into the kitchen where we have tea. We can still see the Moses basket.

11pm wake P for medicine and final feed.

12pm settle upstairs in Moses basket with us.

This can shift an hour later at bath time but we try to always have her settled by 12ish. It can run to 1am but that depends on what's happening and how much burping p needs.

P then typically wakes at 8am ish and we feed approximately every 2 hours from here.

pikz Sun 06-Jan-13 10:01:35

We are baby led to here. He tends to settle about 11pm and last night it was 3.40/6.40 and then 9am. He is just 6 weeks. Hoping for some longer stretches sometime soon!

TheDetective Sun 06-Jan-13 10:07:19

Oscar is now back in a deep sleep. I need to get up and get stuff done hmm. But it is so tempting to go back to sleep. No. I am not. I am going to put him down and go and get in the shower for at least 30 minutes grin

Only problem is his Moses basket is in the way of my wardrobe and there is nowhere else to put it. So I can't get dressed. Or dry hair. Or put make up on. Oh well!

Passmethecrisps Sun 06-Jan-13 10:13:52

The other question was about how much p sleeps during the day.

I have been tracking sleep and per 24 hours P sleeps between 11 and 13 hours. She is awake now having been awake since 8am. She will be awake until her next feed in about half an hour when she will likely have a wee 20 minutes or so. After lunch she might have 45 minutes to an hour. The vast majority of her sleep now is bedtime sleep. This works fine for us as mostly P is happy enough sitting in her chair watching - she doesn't need held all the time and, in fact, recently she has started wanting put down.

Lane81 Sun 06-Jan-13 10:24:13

Pass-I've been doing the same as its 11-13hrs per 24 here too. I'm really glad you posted that as I was worried it wasn't enough!

Morning ladies

I wrote a post yesterday afternoon but it's disappeared!!!

Hoping all the poorly babies get better very soon!!!

Is everyone back to normal now?? I'm looking forward to the kids going back to school but not doing the early morning school run sad hope the house will get back to its semi tidy status lol

I had the implant put in Friday night - its a bit tender but not half as bad as I thought it would be.

I met with the first childminder yesterday - she seemed nice enough but I couldn't get a word in edge ways lol

We don't have a daytime routine as sometimes we're out in the morning sometimes in the evening - she feeds when she's hungry, has tummy time/playtime/time in bouncer if she's chatty and we put her down to sleep in travel cot if at home otherwise she sleeps in pram/cars eat. She has put herself in a routine at night - feeding most of the evening we give her 8oz bottle around 9pm she has awake time and then a final bf before we put her in her crib around midnight - she then sleeps through until 8am ish - which is perfect

Today my mission is to get a shower - I can't even attempt it without dh being here lol

ValiumQueen Sun 06-Jan-13 10:37:00

I saw your post glenda as you said the CM had a big clean house with lots of toys. We talk such a lot you probably just cannot see it.

I plan to implement GF at 3 months. Poor little bugger does not know what is going to hit him. He was doing well before he got ill. I am trying to treat him, and think of him as a newborn, having started again kinda.

He has almost found his thumb. I think once he is proficient at thumb sucking then he will sleep a lot better.

My aim today is to express three ounces. Might not seem like much, but with my nutter 2yo, that is quite an aim.

The other morning, around 3am, we were woken (I was awake anyway) by my 2yo playing shops - till noises followed by 'da da da come to da tills' over the loud speaker. It was very amusing watching and hearing DH wake and address the situation. He will check her room for noisy toys in future!

CandyPop Sun 06-Jan-13 10:37:50

Ah that's interesting to know. I might track her sleep from midnight tonight ....also might start bathing her daily to introduce as a bedtime signal . Thanks pass

TheDetective Sun 06-Jan-13 10:57:26

Hahaha VQ! We've just discovered 10 year old DS took it upon himself to get up at 3am, and go downstairs and watch tv because he 'couldn't sleep'!!! Arghhhh!

God knows what he was watching.

I've just had to drag him out of bed.

He went to bed at 8 last night!!!

Kyzordz Sun 06-Jan-13 10:58:05

Last night was a 'bad night' here and I don't think it was something you could consider that bad, although I don't feel particularly alive and kicking this morning! Bottle at 7, bath and bed by 8, straight asleep. Due last bottle at 11ish, did not want to wake up. Did wake, sort of, wanted an ounce and back asleep. Awake 10 mins later for next ounce. Feed went like that with crying in between until 6 ounces were had and he wouldn't take a drop more. He usually has the full bottle of 8 at night and in the morning when he wakes. Left it at 6, wouldn't force him to drink. He went down straight away at half 12 as was asleep. Awake at 3, but not for food, just whinging and squiggling. Again at 4:30, then 5, then 5:20, then at 6 I thought okay, he's bound to be hungry now so when he started more squiggling I got him up to have infacol and do bottle. Picked him up, he went back to sleep instantly and didn't move until 7, when I woke him. 7 ounces were had but he did not seem hungry if that makes sense. Perfectly alert, not seeming poorly or anything, had a poo, went back to sleep. Is still asleep. Is not wanting to be awake. 10 mins of awake earlier, thought I'd get him dressed but he went back to sleep so I left him :/.

I'm wondering if he was having a growth spurt? Downing 8oz nearly every feed and 7oz before that (he's only recently gone up to 8) as now he seems to be quite happy with 6 again (he is 8+5 today). He is due at 11:15 if you want to be completely accurate with the four hourly thing, but if he wants to sleep I'm not sure I want to wake him. On the other hand it's strange having such a hungry boy not really be fussed about food, and I would like him to sleep tonight which he might not do if he sleeps all day today!

We have a vague routine here but it's generally dependant on what he does. He does have a bath every day as he loves it but it's not at a set time because although he goes four hourly, what he does in the night varies, so he doesn't always stick to the same times and so I can't have a set bath time unless I deliberately feed him early/late to fit around bath time. It was 10, 6, 2, 10, 6 but has been more like 11, 7, 3, 11, 7 recently.

YellowWellies Sun 06-Jan-13 11:14:10

VQ that's brilliant!!! Lesson learned about the noisy toys! I'm going to bear that in mind grin

TheDetective Sun 06-Jan-13 11:14:49

Oh dear, Oscar takes so little in comparison to others! Sure his brother was on 6oz by now. He has 5oz offered. He probably takes this once a day. The other feeds are 3-4oz. Until he suddenly dropped 2 feeds he was taking about 28-32 oz a day. Now he is taking about 24-28. We have a lot of waste in this house lol!

He seems happy, he is growing. Will just go with his lead for now!

blonderthanred Sun 06-Jan-13 11:15:08

Oh we don't have a routine either - half nine is approx bedtime but sleepy time can be anything from 9.30-12.30... Usually get 4 hrs sleep then, 1 hr feed and 2 more hrs sleep. Last night though he slept 11-3, then 4-4.30... The rest is a blur.

Sleepy boy this morning - I want to express but he is grizzly and keeps wanting to be fed but dozing off after a few minutes.

Daddy is back at work tomorrow, not looking forward to it.

YellowWellies Sun 06-Jan-13 11:27:54

Think we're on a growth spurt too - the last 24 hours have seen a small boy near constantly (when awake) head banging my boobs, growling at them, trying to twist my nipples off and feeding for hours. He fed from 6pm til 11pm last night - CONSTANTLY! Now he's being medicated for reflux though there is no screaming he's just a bit more cranky. I can really see the difference compared to the 6 week growth spurt when he wasn't on meds.

Evil do you have any thoughts on reflux? I was thinking about you last night. Your wee one has started teething too - this can cause greater stomach acid / reflux episodes. Please consider it before letting him cry it out - my cousin (the first in our family with a refluxer so we were all ignorant) let her LO cry it out with reflux and the acid damaged her daughter's voice box and delayed her talking. Anyway I hope you had a better night - if your days are starting to be affected with screaming it really sounds like it could be as a result of untreated reflux burns. 20% of kids get it

GT mine were the third & fourth babies born (September) on the thread and are 14+1 today. They sleep through (mostly) but certainly didn't at 8 weeks etc. I agree with you.

Like I have mentioned before, we have strict routines in this household. I have no choice with 2 babies.
We follow Gina Ford. The girls get put in their cots, sleepy but awake, at about 6:45pm after a bath and milk and we do a dream feed at 11pm. I keep to very structured naps, which results in structured feeding times. I need to be on the ball with routine if I am to continue childminding in June. 2 of my 6 children are returning so life with 2 9 month olds, a 2.5 year old and a 3 year old will be full on.

horseylady Sun 06-Jan-13 12:12:02

Called 111 after another screaming feed and loads of coughing. Took 3oz. Usually has 8. It's been like this for nearly a week now?! He had his jabs last Monday sad anyway their advise was see the dr tomorrow. He's asleep again. I've cried lots. Dh says he thinks it's the cold. It's knocking both of us up so god knows how he feels. When he's awake he's really happy and alert.

PetiteRaleuse Sun 06-Jan-13 12:14:28

LO is 11 weeks now and this week has been sleeping really well bar c oughing. As new year's eve she was awful I'm thinking maybe sleeping through was her new year resolution.

Hope so.

Tiny bit of sun here for the first time in weeks so we're taking the dog and children for a walk. Fresh air will do us all so much good.

Passmethecrisps Sun 06-Jan-13 12:16:06

Poor wee E horsey. It's so horrible when they are not well.

garden I can imagine just how important a routine is for you with twins.

Oh Horsey that is just awful. It makes your blood run cold. Little G was 14 days old when I had to call an ambulance and I still get tearful now when I think of it.

Their jabs can really knock them. I hope the GP has more advice for you