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November 2012 - sleepless nights aplenty

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StuntNun Thu 20-Dec-12 14:49:04
YellowWellies Thu 20-Dec-12 14:58:34

First post banana! grin

GTbaby Thu 20-Dec-12 15:35:51

Hello hello.

Update ur details on the stats thread pls wink

PetiteRaleuse Thu 20-Dec-12 15:42:52

Apt title smile

Just marking my place

YellowWellies Thu 20-Dec-12 16:23:02

Thanks GT for the reminder - will do xx

ChunkyTurkeywiththetrimmings Thu 20-Dec-12 16:29:04

Making like a male cat...grin

Lane81 Thu 20-Dec-12 16:39:30

Marking place, GT, I think a lot of people might no longer be on the thread?

pikz Thu 20-Dec-12 17:11:20

Done my stats smile

GTbaby Thu 20-Dec-12 17:57:06
ShellyBobbs Thu 20-Dec-12 18:18:53

I need a poo!

Catbag Thu 20-Dec-12 19:18:37

I need some sleep!

ValiumQueen Thu 20-Dec-12 20:01:51

I need a shag.

Think I need some more to eat, L is having a feeding frenzy and I am so hungry

daisychain76 Thu 20-Dec-12 20:12:40

I need to write Christmas cards (still finishing thank you cards 3 months after the event!)

MissMummy1 Thu 20-Dec-12 21:18:02

marks place - will give stats updating from mobile a try...

YellowWellies Thu 20-Dec-12 21:48:11

I need to open the Xmas baileys. Sodding dairy ....

ValiumQueen Thu 20-Dec-12 21:49:24

There is dairy in baileys

KissysUnderTheMisteltoe Thu 20-Dec-12 23:05:54

Marking place, reckon I'm in for a long night.. LO crying and crying sad

Dixiebell Fri 21-Dec-12 00:17:46

I updated thread from mobile the other day...not easy... Think I messed up the copying/pasting a bit, so apologies!

blonderthanred Fri 21-Dec-12 00:49:30

Hello new thread...

sweetpea1112 Fri 21-Dec-12 00:54:14

Ooh new thread. No sleep yet tonight here...

GTbaby Fri 21-Dec-12 01:52:47

Thanks Dixie! I'm sure that must have been SO hard. I can't keep up let alone go bk n re-read all the birth announcements.

How do I stop DH from snoring.

rowingdowntheriver Fri 21-Dec-12 02:03:00

Aargh, just typed a long message out on other thread only to find it was full and have lost the post!

Important bit was to PR, saying sorry to hear about your DD's symptoms and that I'd probably go to dr sooner than your next scheduled appointment as they are likely to prescribe a preventer and reliever inhaler to use (I'd ask if they don't suggest it).

Taking the inhalers now help prevent current coughing fit turning into a nasty cold over christmas. My DS looks likely to have asthma and as my mum is an asthma nurse she has given me loads of advice on it. Here is a useful site for you to have a look at if you like:


marking place
shelly and cat i know that feeling!!

PetiteRaleuse Fri 21-Dec-12 02:38:07

Thank you Rowing for that link. She's woken up several times tonight screaming. Then all was quiet til LO woke up for feed at three my time and that then woke DD1 who tantrummedherself into a major coughing fit. Grr. Need to sleep.

I'm sending her to creche in the morning as it is the last day and I will see if I can get an appointment for this afternoon IF the one person I knowwho doesn't work can babysit LO...

GTbaby Fri 21-Dec-12 03:22:56

Sry rowing!

pikz Fri 21-Dec-12 04:07:09

DP managed to not only calm Luc but he slept for 4.5 hours and just took a feed and has gone back to sleep. Suddenly last night doesn't seem so bad now I've had some sleep. Still completely unsure what all the crying last night was for. Have a feeling a bit of wind and we were winding each other up.

Sorry to hear of all the shit husbands/partners. GT how you xope is beyond me.

With 100 I would deffo buy jeans, bra and a couple of tops.

Dixiebell Fri 21-Dec-12 04:29:25

Ooh no GT, I only updated me on the stats list!! Couldn't manage the while thing!

Had a bit of a meltdown earlier, 1am and I'd come up to bed at 10, Teddy was still feeding, then throwing up and crying every time I put him down. Still, was my first cry since he was born 3 weeks ago, which I'm pretty impressed with! Just annoying that the most sleepless nights are always before a full day of toddler entertaining!

ChunkyTurkeywiththetrimmings Fri 21-Dec-12 04:34:53

Very, very confused now.

DS decided to feed nigh-on all evening starting at 3pm. He was having marathon feeds of 30mins before that, compared to yesterday's 10mins average. He also got really upset if he has to wait any time for a feed; he was asleep & then I was washing the breast pump to put in the steriliser so 5-10min job & he was screaming with tears streaming down his face & making his hair wet. He'd been 2hrs...

He now did a 4 & 3/4hr stint from the 11.14 start of his last feed & the 4am start of this one. How is that possible?

I had started to think it was a growth spurt so assumed I'd get no sleep, so to get 3hrs roughly in 1 hit, is a shock. Maybe it was to do with the duct/mastitis issue...confused

daisychain76 Fri 21-Dec-12 04:36:20

Think Ds is on some sort of ggrowthh spurt ~ been up 2 hours now
Also got 2nd jabs tomorrow. I would spend £100 on a nice dress that worked for bf, a baby wearing poncho (my friend has just got one and it is ace), some trousers and sneak in some perfume too.

rowingdowntheriver Fri 21-Dec-12 04:47:07

You're welcome pr, I've just been through exactly the same with DS1, the same week DS2 was born, DS1 started coughing, not sleeping during the night and then developed v nasty cold. Combined with learning to cope with DS2 and lack of sleep from him too, it made it one of the roughest couple of weeks of mine and DP's lives!

DS2 now has a cold and horrible barking cough and vomiting sad. Had it since Sun and has hardly been sleeping because of it. Aargh. Am praying it is better for Christmas as we spent last Christmas in hospital as DS1 had tonsillitis. kids and their bloody illnesses!

On another note, anyone see the Michael McIntyre Christmas show last night. It was a repeat but the first bit all about life with kids was so true and so funny. Especially the bit where he and his wife don't wish each other good night anymore. Just good luck!

rowingdowntheriver Fri 21-Dec-12 04:49:37

So it was you gt! I thought there was space on the last thread when I started typing!

TheDetective Fri 21-Dec-12 04:58:30

Swaddle wrap for the win!!! Yay! 4 hours at night for the first time!

Lane81 Fri 21-Dec-12 05:29:51

Congrats detective!

5 hours here, it seems we've gotten into a pattern of this every other night. How to persuade her to do it every night and go back to sleep quickly!

I'm still writing thank you cards too daisy!

Sophiathesnowfairy Fri 21-Dec-12 05:42:02

Oh no, at risk of bing booed off, I have woken for a feed but Olly hasn't. What's going on there? It has to be a trick.

Sophiathesnowfairy Fri 21-Dec-12 05:53:34

Spoke too soon, he is stirring. And my alarm will go off in 8 minutes in an attempt to get me up before the kids so I can at least make some pretence of being in charge hmm

Catbag Fri 21-Dec-12 06:20:53

Nice thread-finishing GT, made me giggle

kirrinIsland Fri 21-Dec-12 06:21:24

We've managed 4 hours in a row again, but now she's really snuffly - seems she's got the cold DD1 and I have got sad

bryzoan hope you are doing ok with the hip brace - sounds tough.

Passmethecrisps Fri 21-Dec-12 06:24:26

Right, never thought I'd post this but . . .

P has now slept for 7 hours. I can hear her snuffling in her basket but she still seems peaceful. Should I wake her?

ValiumQueen Fri 21-Dec-12 06:27:57

Do not wake her pass just be grateful.

Passmethecrisps Fri 21-Dec-12 06:30:22

Really? I am lying here listening to her. I can't believe this. She sounds more noisy now. I will regret wasting this when she wakes

kirrinIsland Fri 21-Dec-12 06:37:20

What VQ said ^^ No way would I wake her!

Passmethecrisps Fri 21-Dec-12 06:41:25

I never thought I would have this problem. I know she is fine - I can hear her breathing - she just sneezed. She had loads to eat (for her current standards) yesterday and slept very little. Maybe this I the new pattern?

Second night of swaddle me wrap - think I might buy shares

Passmethecrisps Fri 21-Dec-12 06:51:57

Ok. I have left DH to 'supervise the sleeping' while I prepare her meds, make coffee etc. what on earth is all this about? I could even have a shower I reckon.


Sophiathesnowfairy Fri 21-Dec-12 07:03:32

pass that is brilliant especially after everything you have been through over the past cople of weeks. I bet that that sleep has done your mental state loads of good! grin

Olly has done the same. DH did the 10:00 feed and put him down at 11:00 he slept till 06:00. I have given him half his breakfast bottle and he has gone back to sleep.

rowing rubbish about the colds, is a nightmare, especially as here is so little you can do.

Sophiathesnowfairy Fri 21-Dec-12 07:04:53

I am dressed, make upped and for the first time I am excited about Christmas.

Right off to attacks the dishwasher.

Passmethecrisps Fri 21-Dec-12 07:11:54

I know sophia! Before she got poorly she was edging towards longer sleep but was getting woken. I wonder if she has been ready for longer sleeps for a while?

Just wait, tonight she won't sleep a wink!

Passmethecrisps Fri 21-Dec-12 07:15:16

Make up sophia? You crazy kid!

PetiteRaleuse Fri 21-Dec-12 07:16:28

End of the world today. Anyone got anything planned? I'm going to try and get an appointment for DD1 at the doctor.

Passmethecrisps Fri 21-Dec-12 07:21:07

We have a hospital appointment petite. Other than that just the usual end of the world telly watching

Sophiathesnowfairy Fri 21-Dec-12 07:38:34

Me and the boys are taking the car for an end of the world valet, then off for end of the world coffee with a friend. ( although that is this afternoon so may not happen.)

PetiteRaleuse Fri 21-Dec-12 07:53:12

What time is it all supposed to happen?

Sophiathesnowfairy Fri 21-Dec-12 08:02:39

11:11 I heard!

kirrinIsland Fri 21-Dec-12 08:04:38

I'm supposed to be doing some Christmas shopping today, but perhaps I should leave it till tomorrow? After all, it'll be hell on earth and if the world ends I'll have wasted my time and money. I knew I should have planned something fun for today instead.

TheDetective Fri 21-Dec-12 08:10:24

I'm far too busy so the end of the world better hurry up and get on with it!

Today is DPs first day back to work! In a supermarket 4 days before Christmas. He hasn't forgiven me! grin He is only in 1130-3 though so he can stop moaning!

I've got to do the school run at lunch time. Ive got a million and one other things to do. I don't think I'm gonna manage it all but hey ho. Important bits are - take boys in to my work for my Lion King moment! Try and get a GP appt for my mangled bits. The rest of the stuff can be slotted around those. DP is taking DS to school when he gets back it gives me an hour to get ready before he goes to work. I need at least an hour for something resembling human!

We had a fun evening last night. Started feed at 9.30. Was finishing at 1030, well DP was as he took over so I could get organised for going to bed, when Oscar projectile vomited all over DP and himself! By the end of the clean up operation we had shit and piss in his hair to add to the occasion. It was one messy bastard of a job! We've not had one of those yet... So about time maybe?! Ended up having to bath the poor child! Also discovered a really nasty red angry looking nappy rash on him. Which hadn't been there at all 3 hours before. We ended up realising DP had taken advantage of Tesco offering free wipes in the baby changing room , and this is what probably offended his little bum! GRRR! He is all metaniumed up now!

Oh, and as his skin was still dry on his head, I picked up some
Dentinox remembering it had worked for DS1. Well fuck me. It worked. But took a whole layer of skin off. AND LEFT A FUCKING BALD PATCH. Right at the front of his what little there is anyway hairline. Luckily it isn't that obvious. But WTF?! Please tell me it will grow back!

Anyway. Morning! Hope for nice leisurely days for everyone else!

Sophiathesnowfairy Fri 21-Dec-12 08:13:06

Who's stupid idea was it to change Olly on the sofa anyway?

Sophiathesnowfairy Fri 21-Dec-12 08:13:32

Oh yeah it was mine.

Off to soak the wee cushion.

TheDetective Fri 21-Dec-12 08:14:14

Should also add - DP deserves some sort of award for 'things a man should never have to do to his other half'! He massaged my mangled lady parts for me in the middle of the night lol! Inside and out grin and then put a nice soothing layer of thrush cream on for me. Poor guy. Think he should be traumatised! He seemed to enjoy it a little too much though... hmm.

TheDetective Fri 21-Dec-12 08:18:52

Sophia, beat you with a milk cushion. DS1 split all his cereal down the sofa. So, in true horrible child fashion, instead of cleaning it, or owning up to it, he turned the bottom cushion over.

As soon as I walked in the living room, I noticed the cushion was the wrong way round. Flipped it, and discovered said milky mess. They don't call me the detective for nowt. DS still wants to know howni noticed... Bloody git. He's had 3 punishments for one mess up! One for eating on sofa. One for watching TV in the morning while eating on said sofa (tv banned in mornings). And one for lying about it.


And I've now got a smelly crusty sofa. It won't clean up properly. sad

Sophiathesnowfairy Fri 21-Dec-12 08:27:44

Ha ha * detective* I like DS1's style. Perhaps that s what I should have done.

Big up your DP!!

ChunkyTurkeywiththetrimmings Fri 21-Dec-12 08:39:15

I have given my daughter her snacks from yesterday (healthy-ish things like raisins, apricots, breadsticks etc) & her juice in bed us, not the juice, that's in a baker & put a dvd on for us because I CAB to her up - does that make me a bad mummy??!!

A has been woken by me for a feed because he was starting to stir & it'd been 3.5hrs & I do NOT want another day like yesterday...

PetiteRaleuse Fri 21-Dec-12 08:45:51

UK time? So lunchtime for me. I'll be in the car. Maybe it's my bad driving that will set off the Apocalypse. My DH often says he feels like it's The End when he gets in the car with me.

ChunkyTurkeywiththetrimmings Fri 21-Dec-12 08:47:50

detective my dsis told me about the dentinox stuff's ability to remove hair so I have avoided like the plaque, esp as DD didn't have cradle cap until quite late on (or maybe it didn't go & I'd ignored it until she was older & it seemed odd perhaps?) and she had a really thick covering of hair from birth, she would have looked really weird. It does grow back though, apparently.

We're watching The Snowman.smile

PetiteRaleuse Fri 21-Dec-12 08:49:54

I got an appointment for DD1. She didn't go blue or anything in the night, but she was obviously having trouble breathing and I want to rule out any need for hospital before the weekend because over here they keep them in pretty much as a rule if you take them in at the weekend. LO in hospital was relatively easy, her being a newborn. DD1 would be everyone's worst nightmare. If today was a Sunday I would be taking her in. She hardly slept, coughed really badly and when it wasn't the coughing waking her up she just woke up and screamed for no apparent reason. I keep forgetting she is still a baby as she is so big but she
Is barely 21 months, so still at risk of damange from minor things.

ValiumQueen Fri 21-Dec-12 08:54:32

We had no problems with dentinox, but also it did nothing for the cradle cap. I used olive oil slathered in, then left for a few hours (did not go out) and shampooed out. Left hair lovely and soft. They both have very thick hair.

I must admit I had a little cry hearing about all the long sleeps you have had. DS is 8 weeks old and occasionally sleeps three hours. I was spoiled with the girls I know. I am just so tired and I am sure the little lad would sleep if only he could breathe. He is however asleep in his cot at the moment as he found a finger! He has been asleep since 6.30. He can sleep as long as he wants.

horseylady Fri 21-Dec-12 08:55:34

pass ds did 10 to 5.30 between feeds, 11.30 to 5.30 sleeping. Each night this week he's woken up an hour later since Tuesday. He then settled back off about 6, and woke up at 8. I'm quite happy!!!

Just skimmed the rest of the thread sorry. gt we have a joint bank account much simpler!!

ValiumQueen Fri 21-Dec-12 08:56:16

Petite hope DD1 is soon well x

pikz Fri 21-Dec-12 09:14:56

Devil child from yesterday slept 12-4 and 4.30-9. I feel like a new person.

Elizadoesdolittle Fri 21-Dec-12 09:23:22

Checking in....

Had peads appointment yesterday. No real answers re E's poor weight gain. She may have mild broncilities (sorry for spelling) but there isn't anything they can do. I'm sure there was somebody on this thread who LO had it. Was it J yellowwellies apologies if not and I have you mixed up with somebody else. Anyway once today is over we have a quieter time coming up. Lots of people to go and visit but I'm just going to sit and feed E and let others bring me supplies and entertain DD1 smile going back on 2nd jan for a weigh in.

I went out last night for dinner with friends. Had a nice time but got home to find E had only taken 40ml of ebm from a bottle and had just grizzled the home time I was out. She really isn't keen on the bottle but I don't think DH tries hard enough. It's a struggle but I manage it in the end with lots of coaxing. I need to too her up as much as possible and also have a few more nights out planned so she needs to get better at having a bottle! She doesn't get nipple confusion, just doesn't like it.

Roll on the Christmas break smile

TheDetective Fri 21-Dec-12 09:25:49

Grumbledore is back. God he grumbles on and on and on when he needs a poo hmm.

Chunky, wish I'd bloody known grrr! I googled but didn't find any other similar tales though??! At least it should grow back though! It's right o his hair line at the front!

Can I just say, I hate our chuffin' cars. Seriously. Now DPs car has a flood in the passenger foot well. Add to that his dodgy door handle, broken reverse light (but not the bulb!) electrical fault, door seal falling off in rear drivers side, engine management light on, yada yada. You get the picture. angry

And my car with the spare wheel hole filling with water, which has caused mold to grow while I haven't been driving. And a very fuckjng squeaky seat belt (assume because of the water getting in the car?!). There is more. But I'll cry if I carry on.

Oh and while I'm at it, I need an electrician to fix the plug behind the waking machine, and my outdoor light.

Fuck. If I carry on listing all the broken shit, I'll be here all day. Worst thing is, it will all have to carry on falling down around me until the summer at least when my wages get back up to normal.


TheDetective Fri 21-Dec-12 09:27:02

Washing machine. Oscar is the waking machine. He probably needs fixing too though grin.

Catbag Fri 21-Dec-12 09:31:12

VQ If it is any consolation, I share your pain. Babies will go three hours from us first falling asleep, after that it is commonly 1 to 2 hours, especially after 3am. Four hours' sleep is the most I have managed in one go in nine weeks, and that has happened maybe twice. My first three childen slept through from 6 weeks. 4 yr old slept through from 12 weeks. Maybe these two will start sleeping through within the month? <<slightlyhystericalhopeemoticon>>

ValiumQueen Fri 21-Dec-12 10:20:39

Thank you for sharing my pain catbag smile hope things improve for all three soon x how are you, apart from the obvious tiredness?

eliza it was my J who had bronchiolitis. There are a couple more babies that have had it too. 3 weeks on and he still has a horrid cough and vomits the mucous every day or so. We have all had colds, still do. It can make them more susceptible to chest problems for a long time after sad

ValiumQueen Fri 21-Dec-12 10:22:00

detective buy a lotto ticket x

Passmethecrisps Fri 21-Dec-12 10:24:56

That's not so good eliza. Sounds like you have a good plan though.

I really hope those who are sleep-deprived get some rest really soon. I wish I had made better use of P's marathon snoozathon.

What do people mean by sleeping through? I think we have had this discussion before but I can't remember the consensus

Passmethecrisps Fri 21-Dec-12 10:27:04

Oh and my car also needs repairing . . . Again. We have just spent an absolute fortune on DH's car. Endless

YellowWellies Fri 21-Dec-12 10:28:59

The PIL arrive today so wahoo to extra hands to hold the baby whilst I do stuff! The wee man slept from 11 til 5 and from 5.30 til 8.30. That's two nights in a row please god may this be his pattern. Cutting out dairy is a bitch but if it gives me sleep like this I'm not complaining. Jonas is not a fan of the ranitidine - it's minty fresh and he pulls an outraged face when we give it to him - but he does take it and it seems to be working. Thank feck!!!

Slightly random question for pass and others with little ones with cows milk protein intolerance. Does your wee one have a pink 'stork mark' birth mark between their eyebrows that seems aggravated when they are suffering from bad reflux? My sis has noticed it on every kid she has met with CMPI. Jonas didn't have one at birth but it showed up two weeks ago when our troubles began (what I thought was the 6 week growth spurt). My sis can now use it on her daughter to predict when she's going to have a bad night.

ChunkyTurkeywiththetrimmings Fri 21-Dec-12 10:46:59

I look around at the devastation created by my DD & DH and feel both sad and slightly angry. Partly because I haven't got the energy to tidy/clean/sort/arrange and I had wanted a laze around do nothing day for the first time in over a week and partly because its stupid little shit things that DH should know better about. Like leaving DD's dummies on the worktop not far from the cupboard they live in. It's v frustrating, being the only 1 that gives a shit & be the 1 that has the least sleep & energy & the most to occupy my time (namely DS...).#shouldershudderingsigh.com

Good you've got an appt. I would say though don't panic it is asthma - IME you can't tantrum/scream/cry if you're having an attack and any type of cough usually gets worse at night because of lying down.

VQ I sympathise. It was only last night that A slept for a long time & usually the way its worked out is I'm in bed at midnight, he wakes at 2ish, quick feed but unless I'm lying down I don't sleep for a while waiting to make the Moses basket transfer, wakes at 5 ish, needs changing, longer feed, stays awake until 6 or 7, then DD can wake up any time from 7 until 9. So then I've got to rush around getting us all ready, having had about 4hrs sleep in 2 blocks... Not comparing, because the coughing & so on must be making you both miserable, but just to say it was a first & probably only good night for a while & confused the hell out of me after the feedathons yesterday.

Been a naughty mummy. Have given A his dummy, even though following his tongue snip they said only if desperate, because its sort of like having a newborn/starting from scratch again, so you should wait 4-6wks. I'm going out tonight too, so he'll have to have a bottle too!

ChunkyTurkeywiththetrimmings Fri 21-Dec-12 10:47:44

Appt stuff is to PR obviously...

TheDetective Fri 21-Dec-12 10:53:38

Knowing my luck, the car would break down on the way to buy said lotto ticket. So some other bastard would get my winning ticket grin.

Dp now gone, we are alone! I'm dressed, hair and make up done! Doing a feed now and then I need to change him and clean the bomb site up before we head out in an hour. I think we will make it! Feeling chuffed!

PetiteRaleuse Fri 21-Dec-12 10:58:13

Thanks Chunky. I'm not a panicker really but this night time coughing has been going on too long. Worse because of her cold at the moment, but has been on and off since, I now realise, we both had a cold at the end of the summer... Longer than I thought.

Right. Off out in the car now. Speak to you all after the Apocalypse smile

Passmethecrisps Fri 21-Dec-12 11:00:49

I haven't noticed anything YW. She had a strawberry birthmark on her tummy which appeared at about 2 weeks.

Put P in her first outfit today. Typically she vommed all over it and her swing. Doh! Have tried again with another one. Tempting fate?

ShellyBobbs Fri 21-Dec-12 11:04:48

Slept sat up last night as Tommy is so blocked up with a cold. I say slept.....

Have done the school run and finished off my present buying today, so very happy with that. Bought Tommy a play gym from Mothercare which was half price at £35, don't really know how they justify £70 usually.

Lots of smiles today despite the horrendous cold he has, he's even been cooing at me in response to me singing stupid songs to him (probably trying to tell me to STFU).

Going to make myself a ginormous bowl of porridge now, yummy!

YW L has a mark between her eyebrows! sad Trying you cut out dairy but all I'm craving is chocolate and milk. I'm veggie too...

TheDetective Fri 21-Dec-12 11:23:30

Fuck. Chaos has descended. Arsebuscuits.

blonderthanred Fri 21-Dec-12 11:27:29

VQ I feel like that when I hear about all the weight gains! I thought we were doing ok for sleep with a couple of chunks per night, usually 3+2 or 4+2 if I'm lucky. But all babies are different I guess. Was it YW who said about meeting a friend in the supermarket and the different perspectives on sleep?

Your LO has had a lot to contend with, hopefully now he's on the mend he will sleep and breathe more peacefully and life will start to get easier.

MissMummy1 Fri 21-Dec-12 11:30:17

The conclusion is DDs rash is bad eczema. Only taken 3 midwives and a GP to diagnose. It's all over her face and neck/shoulders. Looks awful sad . Been given hydramol ointement and creams to.try. Anyone have any experience of it? Will it disappear?! I feel like a rubbish mummy because I'm upset she's not perfect anymore sad (although she will always be perfect to us). It doesnt seem to be bothering her too much!

ShellyBobbs Fri 21-Dec-12 11:34:37

Chunky, I've not been on another thread for ages, it wasn't me guv. I am forced out of the door twice a day doing the school run and I go shopping most days too. I am easily out of the house in a morning, showered, make-up on, Tommy bathed and with all 4 kids inside an hour, that also includes a quick feed. I have had LOTS of practice though. There is a Shelly Boobs on MN.

MissMummy1 Fri 21-Dec-12 11:36:14

Sorry 3 health visitors!

YellowWellies Fri 21-Dec-12 11:39:22

Awwww MM speak to my sister Jacob had eczema it can be a reaction to something in your diet - eggs are quite a big trigger but there are others too. Glad to hear its not bothering her - and you're not a rubbish Momma!!!! I hate it when J just scratches his face so eczema must be heartbreaking.

kirrinIsland Fri 21-Dec-12 12:11:06

MM DD1 has excema, it flared up at about 12 weeks and she needed antibiotics to calm it down. Now we have fucidil (sp?) and a gloopy moisturizer to keep it under control. She does scratch it but it's not too bad really. It seems to be heat that sets hers off.

ChunkyTurkeywiththetrimmings Fri 21-Dec-12 12:46:28

Shelly was referring to the poo comment on this thread whilst we were on t'other... smile

ValiumQueen Fri 21-Dec-12 13:09:46

shelly you are amazing!

pass my interpretation is when you go to bed after and wake up before LO. Not stupid hours obviously, but 11 to 6 would do it for me.

I apologise for being self-indulgent earlier. I certainly do not begrudge anyone sleep, and chunky you are not getting much sleep either IMO, and have the growth spurt to look forward to as well. Even on a growth spurt they sleep some time. It is not as bad as newborn days, you are just more tired on a cumulative basis.

J slept in cot from 6.30am to 9, then I put him down again 10.45 and he self settled with light lullaby thing and sucking finger. He is still asleep. Poor little fella is mending hopefully. I tried to wake him earlier as needed to get DD from school but even with noise and light on he remained asleep so my mum is getting her. DD2 has her party at nursery this afternoon but doesn't want to go so that is fine with me. A party of 71 kids is a recipe for a germ over Christmas.

Catbag Fri 21-Dec-12 13:19:20

VQ You are the very last person to whom an accusation of self-indulgence could levelled. You have been through the mill with J over the last couple of weeks. I hope I speak for everyone when I say that the support that you have given to us all has been unparallelled. You are the matriarch that many of us are missing in RL. As a wise woman once said to me, you are doind so very well ;) <<hugs>>

Catbag Fri 21-Dec-12 13:19:43


ValiumQueen Fri 21-Dec-12 13:38:28

Thank you thanks that means the world to me <<blubfest>> grin must be my age eh horsey grin

Just ordered a Ewan as figure it might help, and so far boy has a bib for Christmas and some socks that are too big.

Passmethecrisps Fri 21-Dec-12 13:46:43

Well said catbag. I actually snorted at you post VQ. Self-indulgent is certainly not something you could be accused of. Just two nights ago I was getting about an hours sleep at a time - I cried pretty much all day on Wednesday.

I would be pleased with 11 to 6:30 or so. That works pretty well for us. I am still finding it difficult to sleep so some routine might be helpful.

Sorry to hear about the excema mm. It's not nice when anything is bothering them. Whenever DH snuggles P his bristly chin rubs her head and makes dry patches - even that really bothers me!

We have an appointment at the hospital at 3pm when she is actually due her meds and a feed. I might do them early. Hmm, everything is a big decision nowadays!

petite hope your wee one is ok asthma wise. I have asthma as does my sister and dad. DH had it as an infant. Typically I am completely unconcerned by mine although have been pretty wheezy since P was born strangely.

Sophiathesnowfairy Fri 21-Dec-12 13:47:03

mm it was ecszema that made me take DD1 off dairy initially and put her on soy and goats stuff. Once I took her of cows milk etc and gave her a probiotic it cleared up in 10 days! I had a horrible time with the ecszema it was really angry. I saw an independant nutrionist.

That's what happened to me anyway, remember they are all different but would recommend going to see an independant nutrionist, the cream is onu treating the symptom not the cause.

Passmethecrisps Fri 21-Dec-12 13:50:04

VQ it made me sniffle as well! bunch o sissies

Maybe you could try a swaddle me thing? I put a very upset P in hers last night - proper piercing screams immediately stopped when she was velcroed in. It calms her much more than swaddling with blankets. Small goes ho to 14ib apparently but I am not convinced. p is around about 9ib and is just right in hers.


Sophiathesnowfairy Fri 21-Dec-12 13:51:09

You were not self indulgent at all * vq* this is our safe haven to say what we feel and be honest without retribution. thanks

Go and have a brew and a biscuit

detective is the the end of the world in you house only? What happened?

blonderthanred Fri 21-Dec-12 14:08:42

Absolutely not self-indulgent VQ - and no one would think that you wished bad sleep on anyone else, just an improvement with J's. We all wish the same for you!

ChunkyTurkeywiththetrimmings Fri 21-Dec-12 14:28:11

Agreed catbag and VQ I didn't read it as self-indulgent at all.

Have a v v v lazy day today. Will regret it when I look away from MN the TV the children & see the state the house is in, but meh!! Today I will be mostly watching Christmas movies. Currently its Muppet Christmas Carol grin

ValiumQueen Fri 21-Dec-12 14:28:47

Thank you thanks

Is 8 weeks too late for swaddling though? I thought that was a thing you did for newborns. <<considers duct tape as he is a strapping boy>>

horseylady Fri 21-Dec-12 14:50:02

Vq think you can swaddle up to about 4/5 months. You are self indulgent, or that old smile

This morning something happened to me that I only thought happened in cartoons. A field mouse ran up my coat onto my back. I was trying to catch it to remove from my feed bin but anyway. I slowly sat on a hay bale and removed my coat..thankfully I'd not got my wrap on with ds!! He was sleeping in the car!!

Right a bit if a wwyd. I got a collage of ds done with some photos. I ordered 4. One for us, and the other three were for family. They've arrived and are much bigger than I expected. I was going to give them as Xmas presents, and while they do look good, they will look big on Walls!! So I'm thinking of saying 'I got you some photos but they've not arrived' or giving them and appologising for the size!!!!

horseylady Fri 21-Dec-12 14:50:47

Vq there should be a not after the are lol !!!

ValiumQueen Fri 21-Dec-12 14:53:25

grin I believe you!

ValiumQueen Fri 21-Dec-12 14:55:41

Can the collage be cut down into individual photos? If not, then give but explain. Is it poster size then?

Passmethecrisps Fri 21-Dec-12 15:03:34

I am planning on swaddling P until she is 25. In fact I would like to be swaddled.

Seriously, I think you can do it until they can roll over.

horsey that made me giggle. I think if anyone could no wee themselves remain calm then it is you! I once woke up with a rat on my chest. The cat we had at the time had brought it in, got bored and left managing on his way out to shut the door behind him. Chaos!

horseylady Fri 21-Dec-12 15:04:36

Yeah they can but they're different sizes. I've just put one up on my wall and it looks ok actually. Just the bottom bit needs taking off. Think compared to the 7x5 I'd got it looked huge but it's not quite as bad as I thought!! Will tell them to cut them up if they'd prefer!!

horseylady Fri 21-Dec-12 15:11:36

Pass - I hate rats. Obviously plenty at the farm. Thankfully the terrier is a good ratter, along with the cats.

My fat cat is a good ratter on the odd occassion she goes out

But anyway, my parents were away and I popped round to check my younger sister was ok. One of their cats is renowned for killing and bringing into the house. I went upstairs and there was a horrid smell. Dead rat smell infact. I called my sister to ask what it was and she said 'couldn't find anything' I opened the office door and it was full of flies. Pulled out a box and there's the massive decaying rat in there. I removed it, called her back and said there was a massive rat in the office. She said 'have you removed it?'I said I had and I just heard ' yessssss' down the phone. I think she knew it was there.

I quite like mice!!

sweetpea1112 Fri 21-Dec-12 15:26:13

Agreed VQ not self indulgent at all. Hopefully it helps to know that I am hardly sleeping either grin

Trying and failing to get in the Christmas spirit. Makes me quite sad actually as I usually love Christmas but I feel like it has passed me by this year & all I can think of is the logistics of visiting various family and catering for a Boxing Day gathering with a newborn.

Must remind myself that I only gave birth 3 weeks ago so is not surprising that my mind is on other things...

horseylady Fri 21-Dec-12 15:33:28

Sweetpea, the entire month of november passed me by!!!

MadamGazelleIsMyMum Fri 21-Dec-12 15:36:53

Howdy all, these threads are moving so fast! sad for those of you feeling glum for whatever reason. Was going to come on and not so stealth boast about sleep in this house but am definitely going to stay in my cave for that one. Eeek. Although my toddler is a frigging nightmare. Karma, clearly.

Everyone be kind to themselves - our babies are too little for consistency just yet, and this too shall pass, and somehow, we will apparently look back with fondness on this stage! My best friend and her mum came to visit me this morning, and her mum, who I have known since I was 11, snatched DS from me and wouldnt put him down all morning, despite sick, poo and crying, and stated categorically she hated the baby phase at the time, but the joy of holding a small baby again was huge for her.

We set off tonight for my parents' house, my bro is coming from South Africa, and my sister, my grandparents and auntie and cousins will be there, I love family gatherings and cant bloody wait! resolutely ignores the logistical nightmare I will obviously face on my own because DH relies on me to organise everything and the inevitable argument this will bring

Woo-haaaa <attempts pathetically to share my excitement>

ValiumQueen Fri 21-Dec-12 16:00:55

I had a guinea pig run up my trouser leg when I was a kid. Had to take them off!

PetiteRaleuse Fri 21-Dec-12 16:18:40

Not asthma (though she wants to do proper tests at the next check up) and not bronchiolitis (would have been surprising as dd is nearly two) but as she has had a series of colds catarrh has built up. So she's given us some medecine to get her to cough it up or swallow it and, guess what, saline drops. I havd saline drops taking up a whole shelf in my medecine cabinet with the stock the hospital gave me back in November. Will be harder goving them to dd1 but anywy.

I see the world didn't end.

pikz Fri 21-Dec-12 16:24:50

VQ you are ace! Not self indulgent, I think you were also the one telling me I was doing just great. Give yourself a break. You are fab.

Nannys birthday today and her present appears to be a day with her grandson. I am relishing two hands!!!

MissMummy1 Fri 21-Dec-12 16:47:44

Good news on your dd PR - fingers crossed it clears up soon x

Those with babies with milk allergies. I'm still not convinced dd's rash is eczema. It's not itching her and everything I've resd says it presents itself around 6 weeks. She's not even 3weeks yet. I'm still thinking severe heat rash, but a bit of googling has flashed up a dairy intolerance can also cause rashes on face/upper body. Photos online are IDENTICAL to dd's rash, and now I think about it, it's much worse today after I survived on cereals yesterday and ate a lot of icecream last night blush (I dont normally have much dairy...) We also had a very unsettled night with her last night and she has been showing signs of colic. I'm over analysing aren't I? I've become one of those PITA google doctors blush blush blush . Anyway my question is, do any of your babies who actually are dairy/lactose intollerant have a rash? What are their other symptoms?

<will stay off google for the rest of today>

MissMummy1 Fri 21-Dec-12 16:54:58

sophia was it you who mentioned your dd1 had rashes caused by dairy? was she breastfed? when did it manifest and how long did it take cutting dairy out of your/her diet did it take for the rash to die down?

I'm wondering whether to go completely dairy free for a week to see if there's a difference or just keep using the eczema cream we've been given to see if it helps at all..

Aw I feel Christmassy after watching the cbeebies panto with ds and dd is snoozing in her chair, v nice smile

sweetpea1112 Fri 21-Dec-12 17:27:16

PR good news about it not being asthma smile I fear we may have to cross that bridge with O as both me and DF have asthma. Interestingly, DF is one of 5 kids and the only one of the 5 not to have asthma/excema/allergies is also the only one who was born without an epidural. I was also born with an epidural. No idea if there is any link but it is a trend we have noticed. I had an epidural with O and with the family history I will be keeping a close eye on him.

Bottlefeeders how do you know when it is time to move up a teat size? Is there anything I should be looking out for?

ShellyBobbs Fri 21-Dec-12 17:30:21

VQ I am one of those people that never cries, I didn't cry when I was pregnant and I haven't so far, all except once. Remember that horrific water infection I had at 31 weeks pregnant that wouldn't shift and I ended up in A&E with it? Well your kind words and advise sent me over the brim and I sat there crying when I read your post to me, I was thinking 'how can someone I've never met be so nice to me'! So stop being silly, you've had an awful time of it lately and you have more than 1 young one to deal with (and a husband that needs a dig in the ribs everytime).

Now be told woman! wink

Sophiathesnowfairy Fri 21-Dec-12 17:37:43

mm no she was formula fed it must have appeared quite early but I can't remember when, before three months though, we tried Oilatum but it didn't work and switched to Aveeno and a bit of hydrocortisone cream when it was really bad. Aveeno is a lovely gentle cream as it is wheat based and soaks into the skin. Anyway we didn't see the nutrionist and take her off dairy till she was around8 or 9 months and i was at the end of my tether she had it n her face and it would bleed, and we had major improvement after taking her off dairy in 10 days.

As you may have gathered my Dd1 has been through the mill with these intolerances poor thing, as well as glue ear and a lazy eye. The glue ear cleared by the time she was around 6 and with a lot of hard work and perseverance, by her, with a patch she was told last week she doesn't have to wear it anymore.

Catbag Fri 21-Dec-12 17:41:05

Ha ha ha.... what Shelley said^^

ValiumQueen Fri 21-Dec-12 17:45:28

I consider myself told grin thank you smile <<goes to print off thread>>

Catbag Fri 21-Dec-12 17:45:46

Great news about the patch Sophia, you must be so pleased x

ShellyBobbs Fri 21-Dec-12 17:49:57

Great news Sophia

MissMummy1 Fri 21-Dec-12 18:01:06

Yay sophia on the patch! You both must be sooo chuffed!!

Dh has been out christmas shopping this afternoon. I have no idea what he's bought so I may be eating my words come xmas day but this is MASSIVE progress for the man who normally waits until boxing day and who bought me part-worn tyres for my car for my birthdayhmm . Anyway he bought oilatum for m when he was out after I showed him your fb comments so we'll give it a whirl. He thinks im being paranoid about the dairy thig hes right so will leave it a few weeks before cutting it out.

Sophiathesnowfairy Fri 21-Dec-12 18:12:24

I really am catbag.

NervousReindeer Fri 21-Dec-12 18:12:27

Fab news about the patch sophia

My LO still doesn't sleep well at night, I consider it good when she sleeps for 2 hours and the longest she's slept is just over 3 hours and that happened once! As she's getting older things seem to be getting worse an we've had quite a few 40mins and 1hr 20min sleeps but not sure if they even count as sleep. Just made some fresh pasta so looming forward to dinner. Attempting the Christmas food shop tomorrow sad it's going to be crazy busy I pray LO sleeps through it

Hope everyone's had a good day

petite good news your DD hasn't got asthma, hope the drops work for you

MM sad about Matilda's skin hopfully the cream works quickly for her, does it irritate her?

Damn had other stuff to write but forgot

ShellyBobbs Fri 21-Dec-12 18:12:46

MM Did you ever get your changing bag of him?

Sophiathesnowfairy Fri 21-Dec-12 18:13:43

Ooo excited bout your Christmas present mm did he come back with big bags or small bags?

MissMummy1 Fri 21-Dec-12 18:14:35

Haha shelly he clicked the money into my account and I ordered it myself.... after a massive strop about him making false promises blush

MissMummy1 Fri 21-Dec-12 18:16:44

Sophia he slinked upstairs shouting 'don't come up' so. i have no idea! i know whatever hes bought is hidden in my office....

ShellyBobbs Fri 21-Dec-12 18:25:33

Lol grin

MM I've found this thread for you all about eczema in babies, there is some good advise on it baby eczema linkey hope it helps.

StuntNun Fri 21-Dec-12 18:26:20

I have eczema MM and I hate Hydramol, it doesn't feel nice and can be quite sting-ey when I use it, I much prefer Oilatum Cream or Diprobase. My DS2 has eczema and he has a bath additive Oilatum Junior that is really soothing. Don't be afraid of using hydrocortisone if M's eczema gets bad, often one application is enough to make a huge difference. The key is to put the cream on frequently and keep using it until after the rash has cleared up. This is because the lower layers of the skin that aren't visible are also damaged but will take longer to heal than the top layer.

StuntNun Fri 21-Dec-12 18:27:19

That's put the Oilatum Cream on frequently, not the hydrocortisone.

Sophiathesnowfairy Fri 21-Dec-12 19:17:29

My DH is heating up making tea, I am having a wine boys are in bed. grin

ValiumQueen Fri 21-Dec-12 19:51:29

DD1 in bed and asleep since 7.
DS in cot and asleep since 7.30. Yes. In cot. Asleep. For more than 10 consecutive minutes. At night.
DD2 snuggled next to me eating Christmas cake and watching Peppa Pig.
DH at work party.
Not bad at all.
How long will it last?

DS has been a perfect Gina baby today to within a few minutes. He has been feeding until satisfied, playing, then yawning and settling himself to sleep in the cot. Who are you, and what have you done with my baby? grin

ChunkyTurkeywiththetrimmings Fri 21-Dec-12 20:00:10

grin VQ great news, sounds lovely.

Sophia that's brilliant.

PR fingers crossed it'll clear up quickly.

mm hope the oilatum stuff works.

My evening out got cancelled sad All Mummies, so doesn't surprise me - kids are sick etc etc. Will have to try DS on a bottle another not too distant time.

Belgrano Fri 21-Dec-12 20:26:33

It's Chrisssstmas!!
Feeling v festive with my glass of cava and TV dinner. DD, DS and DH all 'broke up' today. Happy holidays everyone! Hope the Dbabies behave nicely with lots of sleep and no illness over Christmas

Sophiathesnowfairy Fri 21-Dec-12 20:43:28

Aveeno link

mm if you do go down the Aveeno route look at the products for extra dry eczema prone skin on the link, not just the standard products they pop on the shelves, although you can usually pick it up at a pharmacy. However I used to get the go to prescribe it because it was a tenner or so.

Sophiathesnowfairy Fri 21-Dec-12 20:44:11

Good one vq have a lovely evening.

What a bloody shite evening, ds wouldn't go to sleep, dh was with him for nearly an hour. They're now sleeping on the sofa while I try and get to sleep a very worked up dd. she's feeding on and off, crying, half sleeping then suddenly wide awake I don't know what's wrong.

In the time it's taken to write that she's nodding off hmm

CandyPop Fri 21-Dec-12 21:17:38

vq are u following gina ford? I would love to if it works but its so strict !

I managed to get out the house , in the car then out shoppin then coffee today all by myself without help from dh nor my mum grin ... Ok so it took 3 hrs from when i decided to leave to actually leaving and the house was a mess, Clothes everywhere , bed unmade BUT I did it! Also was gonna time it to come back for next feed but was having a good old natter with a friend in costas that I thought sod it and so I breasrfeed in public for the first time! grin grin

ValiumQueen Fri 21-Dec-12 21:19:42

DH growth spurt?

DS lasted 30 minutes and has been feeding since. Now has hiccups. Small steps.

Evilwater Fri 21-Dec-12 21:26:35

It's starting to feel xmas!
Just a few questions that I need the mums net:
1, I've not lost any weight infact I've put on weight, I've gone from a 10 to a 16/18. I have started taking a different type of contraceptive pill, should I go to the drs and ask to be put on another one?

2, how is everyone's LOs bedtime going?


Evilwater Fri 21-Dec-12 21:34:54

Sorry to hear about the eczema, all I can add is go to the drs.
Wow vq I'm just, and only just getting LO to sleep at around 9. I am firm about setting a bed time.


Also DHs can be very annoying, Saturday is the perfect time to deliver presents but I have to stay in for the post. envy

ValiumQueen Fri 21-Dec-12 21:35:00

candy I did with DD1, but DD2 was having none of it. I have not made a conscious effort this time, but today reflected her programme without trying. Until he woke up anyway. I plan to follow it very loosely but fitting in with the school runs and sibling bed routine and waking pattern. I think she talks a lot of sense, but it is not for everyone.

NervousReindeer Fri 21-Dec-12 21:58:00

What are you ladies doing in te lines of bedroom routine?

Bryzoan Fri 21-Dec-12 21:58:55

Dh21 - sounds like my night. Dh and I thought we'd get the kids to bed then do some wrapping in front of a love film DVD. Closest we've come to having a date in a long time... Cue the little one crying for food and / or with tummy pain non stop - and dd waking up screaming and writhing in waves of pain with either tummy trouble or molars. She's settled now (after calpol and an hour of cuddles) and we might be starting to settle g too - but I'm so over film night already, and off to bed! I think dh is still wrapping downstairs, possibly slightly grumpily.

Candypop - congrats on feeding in public for the first time - I remember that taking quite a lot of nerve.

G seems to be settling in to his harness ok - though brought up 2 feeds on it this morning. Nice. Sponged it down as best I could but it has to stay on till next week when they'll give him a clean one thank goodness! I'm slowly getting used to it too. Nappy and vest changes take quite a bit longer - and I'm sad he has to go through it, but starting to accept it.

sweetpea1112 Fri 21-Dec-12 22:05:53

O is 23 days old and I have started a very loose bedtime routine this week of last feed of night in bedroom with lights and voices low - usually between 9 - 10pm then try to settle to bed. Will be adding a bedtime story to this soon too (Once O has opened the books Santa has brought him). That's as complex as my routine gets so far. He does seem to go slightly longer between feeds at night and takes more at each feed compared to the day. Haven't quite cracked sleeping in basket between feeds yet but am giving co sleeping a go tonight....

CandyPop Fri 21-Dec-12 22:05:55

Vq Yeah reading it makes a lot of sense but seems like implementing it may not be as practical so I think u have the right idea and use it loosely as a guide.

evil my LO seems to be ok during the day, she doesn't fuss a lot sleeps well when she's tired an happily coos when she's awake BUT then she has a scream-athon between 10.30pm-1am until she gets fed again then she finally sleeps. How do you correct this?!?! It's doing our head in as obviously by that time we are knackered !

Lane81 Fri 21-Dec-12 22:08:35

Congrats VQ!

Have had a hectic day buying presents and food, LO was a star though throughout. Am utterly exhausted and have a feeling I'm in for a crap night. Still DH is at home for the next 2 weeks and I can nap. Yay!

Evilwater Fri 21-Dec-12 22:15:10

Bed time routine at 2030 roughly!
Change nappy,
Place LO into sleeping clothes, (it's a tattered baby grow)
Walk up stairs and see if he needs feeding again in his dark room with no noise.
Place in cot,
Read a bed time story.
Then hopes he stays asleep!
Tonight it's not working so well, but last night was a dream!

candy - sorry I don't have any tips. My LO wakes up at 4ish and wants to feed and play. Some night it takes ages, other he is straight to sleep.


daisychain76 Fri 21-Dec-12 22:28:07

Nervous my Lo is havinng similar jssues, hhad started doing 2 hour stretches. Last night, woke up just after 2 having gone down at 11 and did no longer than 20 min stretches all night til school run (and wish l knew your secret with that shlly ~ we have been late for the first times ever this term.

H had his 2nd lot of jabs today.Seems fine, has been asleep in my arms since around 6. Gritting my teeth and expecting another bad night tho as soon as l try and put him down.

ValiumQueen Fri 21-Dec-12 22:40:36

DH is home. Pissed as a skunk. I have told him he is sleeping on the sofa. He feels he is safe to co-sleep he is not.

ChunkyTurkeywiththetrimmings Fri 21-Dec-12 22:48:43

I would say the same VQ

StuntNun Fri 21-Dec-12 22:55:54

How can I be so tired today? J finally drifted off so I put him to bed and went to bed myself at 10 only to be woken up at 10.30 by a screaming baby. He has been feeding all evening so I thought he would go a bit longer and let my poor abused nipples recover. I just couldn't deal with trying to change and feed him again and got upset whereupon 'D'H accused me of "crying like a little bitch with a skinned knee". Thanks a lot for the support! He's been out with his brother this evening so he hasn't had to deal with the crying and refusing to settle. I can't believe how inconsiderate he is. Apparently his parents are upset because I said I didn't want him to pick his brother up from the airport. But why should he do it when either of his parents can do it, they both have cars ffs.

KissysUnderTheMisteltoe Fri 21-Dec-12 23:07:16

Oh stunt that's not very nice of him at all sad hope you're ok

StuntNun Fri 21-Dec-12 23:16:48

He has apologised now, I know it's just the sleep deprivation talking but it made me want to kick him in the nads.

ChunkyTurkeywiththetrimmings Fri 21-Dec-12 23:16:50

Just caught a whiff of the lovely caramel sweet smell of DS after a feed & was transported back to the early days with DD, cuddling her in her bedroom or changing her poo-nami, up her back jobs. I got all teary because I miss the simplicity of that stage with her, & before you know it DS will be a toddler, & I really don't think I can have another baby, so this lovely, scrummy, newborn baby stage is it. sad

ValiumQueen Fri 21-Dec-12 23:23:35

stunt what a horrid thing to say.

DH is not happy so I am being all sweetness but firm. I am saving what I want to say for the morning.

I think tonight would have done him good but it would have cost more than we can afford. Apparently only the managers went so he is either in for a promotion or will never get a permanent contract. Drinks on an empty stomach never bode well.

ValiumQueen Fri 21-Dec-12 23:29:10

chunky I am so looking forward to him being a toddler and never having to do this again, but now he is asleep next to me and smelling so good, I know what you mean x

I went down to check on the big baby. Asleep with an upturned can of iron brew in his lap. I love him dearly but I could wring his fat neck tonight. I have closed all the doors and baby gates so will hear him fumbling if he decides to do a fry up in the middle of the night. Safe to sleep with an infant? He will be apologetic in the morning when he has the kids to deal with at 5.30!

ValiumQueen Fri 21-Dec-12 23:32:10

DS in the cot and I have a super king bed all to myself! For ten minutes probably anyway.

ValiumQueen Fri 21-Dec-12 23:38:09

I think that was 4 minutes! Cue coughing fit. No vomit though. This is the first time I have ever evicted DH.

Passmethecrisps Fri 21-Dec-12 23:41:06

vq spend those 10 mins in a starfish!

Passmethecrisps Fri 21-Dec-12 23:41:56

Blimey! Didn't even finish my post,

ValiumQueen Fri 21-Dec-12 23:46:14

Oh I did!

Peaky1 Sat 22-Dec-12 00:29:38

Wow. It has taken me aaaages to catch up on the threads. Every time I read a couple of posts while feeding about 20 new ones come up for next time! It doesn't help that DS can be a fidgety moo when feeding so I spend more time aiming him back on the boob before I continue reading.

I hope all these poorly babies get well soon. I'm currently shitting myself (pardon the pun) as DP came home today feeling drained with a bad tum and vommed once. Please, please don't spread!

As for feeding times, it's evenings all the way up to midnight where he just cannot be satisfied. Screaming, fussing, vomming, feeding like a starved child. I'm grateful that he seems to sleep more at night after the clusterfuck of an evening but I'm sure I haven't said much more than 'can I have a cup of tea' and 'help me, my arse is going numb in this chair' to DP since his paternity leave. Oh well, we'll live.

VQ I've been using cloth during the day. The OSFA and the Alvas have been great. Only 1 leak and that was following the loudest, wettest fart I have ever heard. In the middle of a PND support group, no less, just after the poor woman opposite me had burst into tears. I made a lame joke about timing but it made her smile anyway! Then I realised with horror that his whole left leg was orange :-((. I want to get more Alvas now. They're so cute and better than I was expecting.

Shelly Could you please post some vids on YouTube showing us how the flippin heck you manage to get all that done in an hour? PLEASE?! Haha. I dream of being a multitasking heroine but until then I'm a mum in training :-).

Peaky1 Sat 22-Dec-12 00:30:35

Wowza. Made up for lost time with a Godzilla post!

Peaky1 Sat 22-Dec-12 00:33:43

I knew there was something I wanted to ask. Breast milk coming out of freezer - how long does it take to defrost in the fridge and how long will it keep in the fridge once defrosted?

ChunkyTurkeywiththetrimmings Sat 22-Dec-12 00:40:42

peaky depends how much there is. If you lay it flat to freeze in the bags, it defrosts quicker & obviously in smaller amounts. It could take a couple of hours I guess. I think, as long as its in the fridge, you treat it like anything frozen & use it within 24hrs.

sweetpea1112 Sat 22-Dec-12 00:41:58

Ooh so co-sleeping is quite nice...Just had a nice 1.5 hour sleep - 3 hours between feeds. Lets see how this next chunk of sleep goes...

NervousReindeer Sat 22-Dec-12 01:16:44

We're going to start attempting more of a routine at bed time now. LO seems to sleep slightly better after a bath so we was going to bath her every night but not use products just so she can have s luck about then dress in a dimmed room, feed in dark then 5 min with this sleepy light thing then hopefully she'll settle, it took about 1hr 30min to get her down tonight then she was talking to herself for a good 20 min. Going to attempt transfer in a minute

Dixiebell Sat 22-Dec-12 01:59:18

Moses transfer FAIL. Start again.

CandyPop Sat 22-Dec-12 02:30:00

Dh held LO after the 11pm feed downstairs so I can have some sleep. Apparently she settled within 20mins but dh didn't want to risk the Moses basket transfer as its upstairs with me in case it woke me. Just did the 2am feed and the basket transfer seemed to have worked! Right need to sleep! Catch up with u guys hopefully around 5am!

pikz Sat 22-Dec-12 03:13:54

Blocked duct agonysad

NervousReindeer Sat 22-Dec-12 03:40:58

Aww pikz sad lots of warm towels and massaging feed lots or pump off that boob too

StuntNun Sat 22-Dec-12 04:06:19

Oh no Pikz I hope you get it sorted quickly.

ChunkyTurkeywiththetrimmings Sat 22-Dec-12 04:09:48

Ouch pikz have just been through this myself. This is how I got rid;
1) take ibuprofen if you are able to I.e. not asthmatic
2) feed exclusively from that side for at least half a day
3) pump the other side to prevent it getting engorged & blockages
4) heat area just before a feed
5) massage/comb with a wide round toothed comb towards the nipple during a feed
6) massage with a flannel during a bath/shower
7) try feeding on all 4s, dangling your boob over baby like an udder on a cow, as gravity then helps the milk flow
8) if possible, rest lots.
I think mine may have turned or started to turn into mastitis as my boob was hot & red, but it wasn't infected & I cleared it in about 48hrs max.

Have finally got our broadband sorted but something has since happened to how my bloody phone views this site so it expands it beyond the limits of the screen.angry

A is being a pain - messing about on & off my boob, refusing to be winded. Just what you want at 4am. Double angry

kirrinIsland Sat 22-Dec-12 04:55:04

chunky my phone has been doing that this evening too - bloody annoying.

Just had a good stretch of sleep - 11.45-4.45 - I think that's a record. I must have slept well too, as I didn't even hear DP get in from work.

stunt that was a vile thing to say sad

peaky our evenings are still like that too. I have a friend with a baby same age as mine who was worrying about how to get him to go down earlier than 9. Our 23.45 this evening is the earliest N has ever gone down. She will sleep before then, but only in short chunks and only on me.

pikz oh no sad Hope it clears soon.

TheDetective Sat 22-Dec-12 05:24:32

Swaddle wrap scores again! Last feed was 1130, but took an hour and 20 to change (twice) feed and cuddle til soundly asleep. He woke at 330, and I kicked woke dp as per our deal (he gets bottle, and does nappy change, I do feed and settle!) 4 fecking times and he fucking well ignored me! Anyway Oscar must have settled himself back to sleep as we weren't woken for another hour! So he has gone 5 hours between feeds. Technically. DP got up this time. After I shouted at him. blush

Gonna keep doing the wrap if it gives us this decent stretch at night!

In other news. Tesco are c u next Tuesdays. angry

CBA ranting, but needless to say, I won't be going back, and I have written a very strongly written complaint about their lack of consistency in any of their so called policies. GRRRRR. And if I found the time to write it with a 4 week old baby 4 days before christmas, you get some idea of how much they pissed me off! I did win in the end though ha.

KissysUnderTheMisteltoe Sat 22-Dec-12 05:25:11

Owww pikz hope you get it unblocked soon. I had them lots with DD1 so can sympathise sad

LO been up since she woke for feed at 3am, not sure what's up. She doesn't want feeding and has done a big burp, wish babies could talk!

Just wondering what those of you who whose babies are in sleeping bags are dressing them in at night? And what the temp of your room is? I have LO in a vest and sleep suit and temp is 18 degrees but sometimes drops to 15/16. Wondering if I'm over dressing her

Peaky1 Sat 22-Dec-12 05:51:23

Cheers Chunky. I've only got one 120ml pack in the freezer and the only info I've found so far when defrosting in the fridge is '12 hours'. I don't know if that means they should defrost for at least 12 hours or use within 12 hours once defrosted if you see what I mean.

I'm up now watching the baby stir. That was my big stretch of sleep that I'm always grateful for. I imagine things will get better with feeding but I struggle to imagine an evening routine yet as he just doesn't stop feeding for long enough at night to put anything in place other than a quick bath done by Dad to give me a quick break to eat before putting him back on. I'll just go with the baby and start changing things as he calms down. I keep thinking I should read him a story but no point over the screams. Maybe I should try when he's feeding. I'm buying a posh little kindle paperwhite with my Christmas money so that'll help there! As soon as I've got more hands free we can use the actual books I have for him. I used to say that I'd never buy a kindle as I love books and turning pages. I've totally changed my mind while breast feeding as I just can't do it 1 handed!

rowingdowntheriver Sat 22-Dec-12 06:03:10

A miracle has happened in this house, DS2 slept to 5.30! Not sure what time DH brought him up but I was in bed for 10pm so was actually awake before him waiting to give him a feed! Kind of helps to make up for a day of continuous feeding and literally 1 1/2 hours sleep from him! Previous 2 nights he's only gone 1 hour between feeds.

Anyone got any ideas for how I set up a bedtime routine for DS2 that will fit in with what I already do for DS2 (21 months). DS1's routine is roughly this:

Upstairs for bath at 6
Put bedtime music on when out of the bath
Dim the lights
Milk and stories
Music and lights off
Bed by 7pm

(For those asking about routines, I found anything longer than this too long for DS and he'd start crying).

At the moment I sit on the loo(!) and feed DS2 while DS1 is in the bath then stick him in the rocker in the hallway while I do the rest of the routine and so far he has managed to snooze through it and wake just as I'm leaving DS1's bedroom.

I feel a bit neglectful that DS1 has this carefully thought through routine but DS2 doesn't! Have been thinking of maybe repeating DS1 routine with DS2 immediately after putting DS1 down.

rowingdowntheriver Sat 22-Dec-12 06:08:50

I'll add that I have no idea how successful a routine for DS2 will be yet as evenings are variable, but generally he seems to fall asleep on my boob some point by 10 though if I try to move him he screams. I generally head up to bed at 9 or 10 when DH takes over and gives a bottle of formula sometime between 10 and 11.30, no idea how long it takes him to settle the LO.

StuntNun Sat 22-Dec-12 07:21:41

That's great advice Chunky thanks for posting that.

Peaky I got a Kindle 18 months ago and I have never looked back. I still read 'tree books' in the bath, on planes or where I already have the book. I use the Kindle for heavy sci-fi or fantasy books that are hard to read in bed, I have downloaded loads of free classics so I have been reading the likes of Pride and Prejudice which is outside the box for me. I have been getting these awful pulp fiction e books cheaply: J R Rain writes awesome detective fiction with a supernatural twist. The best thing is that you can get free samples so you can read the first few chapters before deciding whether you want to pay for the whole book. The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo and Fifty Shades of Grey I didn't make it to the end of the sample so they didn't cost me anything.

Whatever did Tesco do that was so bad Detective? Did I miss something up thread?

Is anyone managing to get some 'me time'? Most days I don't get time to dry my hair and I consider myself lucky if I get breakfast. I'm trying to keep on top of the necessary housework such as clean clothes and clean dishes but that's the most I can manage just about keeping squalor at bay but it's not pretty. I have no chance of reading a book or sewing. I haven't played my saxophone since before the baby was born and I've missed two tutorials and one assignment on my OU course. Is there any way to get time to yourself with a baby in the house? When I ask DH to look after him he just dumps him in the basket/swing/pram/sofa with a dummy which doesn't last long before he's crying. Realistically I'm not going to be able to concentrate on anything while my baby is screaming, that's impossible. What does everyone else do or have you given up on being able to do anything for yourself?

MissMummy1 Sat 22-Dec-12 07:41:49

Thanks for all the eczema advice. My mum (a retired nurse) came round last night and says it is definitely an allergy to something - poss polyester as she has a fleece blanket in her pram. It has by no means cleared this morning but is certainly looking a lot better smile (failing that the oilatum bath stuff is the real liquid gold!)

DP sent me to bed at 9pm last night as i was exhausted. Brought M up at 11.30, cue 3 hours of demon child cluster feeding and screaming every time we attempted to transfer to basket. She eventually tired herself out and then let us sleep until 6.30! Best 4 hours sleep ever. grin

Stunt how horrible sad men can be right twunts sometimes...

MissMummy1 Sat 22-Dec-12 07:47:00

Stunt I'm fortunate dp is still off work until january and is pretty good at giving me an hour to sort myself out. No idea how I'm even going to shower when he goes back to work confused

Morning ladies

candy well done for bf in public!!! I had a go again last night in chiquitos lol - have only tried in restaurants so far so I can ask for a secluded table and have dh to back me up and reassure me that I'm not flashing boob or belly will try a Starbucks after Xmas when it's not so heavin

I've been Wanting to post for a couple of days as I've got a few questions but can't type on iPad one handed and if I'm not feeding I'm chasing around town getting last minute bits!!! And if I spend another pound on food I'll go bankrupt lol

Trying to remember what's been chatted about on this thread but have got a memory like a sieve!!!

Bedtime routine -dots has settled into one with a wide awake period between 9-12 pm I have to sit with her on me for 20 mins or so,making sure she's winded else she lies there making noises and fidgeting, then I transfer her to crib and once settled she goes through until 6.45 has done for past 4 mornings which is weird don't even have to look at clock now so i get almost 7 hours which is amazeballs. I do think swaddling helps though I've got a swaddle me that says it fits up to 14lb but I'm struggling to get the Velcro to meet lol must look on eBay for some more

I'm still concerned about the poo or lack of lol she only goes every 3 days and even then it's not the poosplosion I'd expect!! She's weeing for Britain and isn't showing any signs of constipation and I can tell when we put her in the carrycot that she is piling on the weight but still I worry!!!

Anyone else's LO not happy when awake to be left in bouncer or in cot?? She is happy to be walked around or sit while I talk to her but will jot let me put her down while I go for a wee let alone cook dinner, have a shower etc...

Dottie still has a gunky eye so have stopped with the drops as I think it's just a blocked tear duct rather than infection

Lots to do today - visiting in laws then collecting step kids then need to tidy up, wrap presents - then hubbie is working from 6 - his 2nd job is as a medic at a night club which he normally only does fri &sat nights but over Xmas he's working every night from 8-4am except Xmas eve and Xmas night sad which is bad enough with 3 kids but then have to look after 2 dss who behave but cooking, washing up, ironing clothes for and trying to get them settled for bed just adds to the work load - might as well be a single parent!!!

Sorry for the whinge - must get into the Christmas spirit which a few JD and cokes would help with damn bf'ing lol

Sophiathesnowfairy Sat 22-Dec-12 08:01:21

stunt I concur that was a spiteful thing to say I am glad he apologised I hope it was with gusto! I manage to get a little time to myself, on occasion but not much. I have decided that until they are teenagers and don't want to be with me this is the way it will be and it is family life for the next few years. It is a difficult transition to make. Anyway I have decided to through myself at it.

rowing I had that kind of routine with DD1 but eventually it had to change as more came along because unfortunately it is just not doable so this is how we do it........

5pm ...yes I start that early DS1 ( and the DDs when they are here) have tea while Olly has half of his bedtime bottle
5:30 ish bath time if necessary for whoever needs it
5:50ish settle I front of the tv bedtime hour DS1 and DDs with a drink of milk and a bedtime snack, toast or crumpet
6:10 Olly has the rest of his bottle
6:30 DS1 upstairs for story song and bed for 6:45
Finish of Olly's bottle and attempt transfer
7:00 clear up kitchen and tea stuff
7:30 DDs to bed story, negotiation a out how long the light stays on!
8:00 breathe

I do keep the lights low in the lounge for the second bit, from 6ish, if it is just me and the boys I turn all the lights off except for the tv and some of those twinkles twig things.

I was always adamant that it would all be upstairs and no telly etc but you have to keep it calm and if it is night garden that provides the trigger in their mind then so be it.

Sophiathesnowfairy Sat 22-Dec-12 08:04:01

glenda Olly will only sit in a bouncer for a short amount of time, he likes to be carted around. Have a festive sherry. Sounds like you have got your work cut out for you today. Am sure you will cope brilliantly, if you need a whingy we are here! thanks

Sophiathesnowfairy Sat 22-Dec-12 08:04:59

Could you do an early tea while. DH is there to help supervise?

Sophiathesnowfairy Sat 22-Dec-12 08:05:45

Yes detective I too am wondering what TEsco did and if I missed something?

Peaky1 Sat 22-Dec-12 08:57:25

Sophia you're right about the difficult transition into motherhood (I guess no matter how many children you have). I think my brain has been struggling to make that decision to accept it properly. One of my main problems is that I was so busy beforehand with 2 demanding jobs in the NHS and RAF, a demanding hobby in theatre and a part-time masters. I was never at home and if I was it was preparing for shows/exams/prep etc. Now I'm busy in a very different and emotional way and I'm struggling being home alone a lot but I'm trying to get out more.

Does anyone else still feel like it hasn't sunk in about having a baby? Really odd sensation sometimes!

Peaky1 Sat 22-Dec-12 09:02:14

Oh yes Glenda I feel your pain there. You can count the seconds until his face scrunches up to start crying. I try little n often play time but he ends up in the sling to calm him down. He loves having a good look around from a height in the sling or over people's shoulders. Mine hates it when you sit down with them! The crying starts and you jump back up again...

ValiumQueen Sat 22-Dec-12 09:17:55

peaky it hasn't sunk in fully for me yet, and I am on no.3

Well, I am very much enjoying the moral high ground this morning. DH woke us both up at 3am. Me and DS! He was begging to come to bed so I said yes as J usually snacks from 3am so I just doze. He was sobered up and did not feel well. DDs were awake nice and early. J was asleep so I ensured my nip was shoved under his nose, and woke DH saying I could not get up as I was feeding J grin I did go downstairs soon after as I wanted to ensure everyone was safe, and DH was explaining what a hangover was and how they must never drink. It was very amusing, especially as he was changing DD2s night nappy which is a challenge at the best of times. He fell asleep shortly after, and was extremely apologetic. The girls have surrounded him with dolls and covered him with pretty things so pictures have been taken. If I had any make-up I would get it for them grin

So I had 3 hours sleep, and a few dozing. DS was soaked through (bad mummy) so I need to change him more often at night. He did not have his usual coughing fit in the night, just coughed when I got him up, and presented me with a huge lump of mucus. Nice. He is wearing a jasper conran onesie and looks tres dashing. He is asleep in his cot.

Bedtime routine does not exist. Three yawns = bed for junior. Same applies daytime. The girls go to bed at 7 and DH does that as I am feeding. He got into the routine of doing that when I broke my leg, and then I was big, then recovering from section, so DD2 no longer goes to bed for me. Last night, and when he is working, DD2 stays up with me and falls asleep as and when. Not ideal, but after trying a couple of times and having baby and DD screaming, it is the lesser of two evils.

pikz Sat 22-Dec-12 09:30:41

Thank you everyone. Chunky you list has saved me... It's started to ease a little already. Will keep doing those bits until it goes. My temperature still a little high but I'm feeling a lot better. Thank you.

TheDetective Sat 22-Dec-12 09:38:55

It sounds trivial now but the bastards made me cry last night at the time!!

I went to return some baby clothes which had been bought as a gift. Same as I did last week. Explained they were an unsuitable gift and would it be possible to get a credit voucher to the current value. Snotty arse of a kid tells me I can only exchange. I asked what their refund policy was as I had been given a voucher for the same scenario last week. He refused to show me anything with it in writing and just stated that he was right. hmm. I thought oh I can't be arsed arguing so I said ok I'll go and get some baby milk and nappies. No madam it can only be swapped for other baby clothes. By then I was getting pissed off at how ridiculous it was. I'd already got everything I liked in Tesco for baby clothes, there was nothing I wanted. I just wanted a credit note exactly the same as I had been served with last time. The same as all the other supermarkets I'd returned baby clothes to had done if there was nothing I wanted to exchange for at the time.

Ended up saying forget it, but took away the store managers name to complain about inconsistent policies varying among staff and lack of a written policy to view. I'd also returned a faulty item at the same time as above. In all my exasperation I'd kept my bank card in my hand and not put it in my purse which was also in hand. I walked from customer services desk to the aisle with wrapping paper etc in for some gift tags as DP used all my fecking coordinated ones on my presents for some unknown reason when they are all going in a stocking! and walked to the till. By the time I'd got to the till I'd lost my card. I went back and retraced my steps and the card was nowhere to be seen. Id been not even 2 minutes. Pissed off even more now but at myself I asked the lady on self scan if it was found and handed in could my partner come and collect it for me, with it being 6pm and I had a brand new baby and another child to put to bed soon. She said it would be fine just let customer service dickhead know. So I did. Also left my name and number in case it wad found.

Got home and rang tesco as I'd decided I needed to cancel it if it hadn't been found by then. Got through and yes it had been found. But they hadn't bothered to ring me like they said. Anyway I said my partner would come and collect it now. Oh no madam, it has to be you who collects says customer service dickhead who I'd spoken to earlier. By now I know he is just being a grade A prick. So I rang customer services which puts you through to a call centre and explained the above. Oh it's no problem, your partner can collect it with a letter from you and if he takes your ID and his ID. Great said I, can you just speak to the store for me and tell them this so we don't get any problems. So she puts me on hold to speak to the store. Somehow I ended up back on the fucking phone to customer service dickead who tells me 'I've already told you madam that you have to collect the card in person'. I asked why customer services tell me differently on the phone. He says I don't know why, but they are wrong and I am right.

So incensed by now at the principal of being told completely the opposite by a store member of staff and customer services in the call centre, I tell him I will be ringing customer services back to ask for an email of the so called policy he is referring to.

Anyway, the end result was, DP picked my card up for me. He was just being a total wanker on a power trip. My persistence paid off...

If it hadn't been 4 days before Christmas, with a full food shop to so today, I'd of just left it there til I needed it and gone and collect it. But I needed it last night! And As precious as it sounds I don't want to leave Oscar anywhere without me yet. And I didn't want to drag him back out last night in the cold and rain at 7.30pm when it was so much easier for DP to get it for me. Having done the same a year ago in the same bloody store blush DP had collected it that time with no fuss at all. confused

So basically this guy has his own policy and the duty manager refused to over ride him. If they have a policy then fine, but to have different members of staff doing different things just isn't right. So that's what pissed me off more than anything!

Bit trivial really. But it stressed me out!! Was my first trip out alone with both children and DS1 was being a whingebag and DS2 was starting to stir for a feed at that time! SO all I wanted to do was get home and have tea/feed baby/go to fecking bed!

ValiumQueen Sat 22-Dec-12 09:48:28

detective not trivial at all. Hope you get some compensation following your complaint.

ValiumQueen Sat 22-Dec-12 09:48:46

And <<hugs>>

ValiumQueen Sat 22-Dec-12 09:49:11

From me, not Tesco ^^

TheDetective Sat 22-Dec-12 09:51:28

That rant took me an hour to write one handed while feeding!! Sorry!


We got 4 hours between feeds again! YES! VQ get the damn swaddle wrap! Get one, I'm telling you!!! He doesn't like it when he is awake wriggling to get his hands out but once asleep and wrapped, he sleeps for much longer than usual! And the sleep is proper sleep not grunty fidgety sleep!

TheDetective Sat 22-Dec-12 09:53:42

The best compensation would be seeing that smug git get told he was wrong. And the shittest 'customer service' assistant ever. grin

I hate inconsistency!

Bryzoan Sat 22-Dec-12 10:34:00

Det - infuriating! I would have cried too. And then hit him.

How are those in thrush club getting on? I am unsure whether I have a problem or just paranoia. I think I have auld case down below (noticed yesterday) and my nipples and let down aare a little sore ( but not excruciatingly any means). No White dots in g's mouth that I can see but his feeding seems a little fuzzier and he is bringing up more feeds again. What are your thoughts?

Bryzoan Sat 22-Dec-12 10:35:58

Feeding is fussier, not fuzzier. He doesn't seem in distress though.

ChunkyTurkeywiththetrimmings Sat 22-Dec-12 10:39:45

VQ LOL grin

pikz you're welcome. If you feel at all flu-ey, you need antibiotics asap. If it doesn't go within 48hrs max, see the GP. You don't want an abscess....

detective not read yours yet, but hate stores that don't know their own policies or fail to ensure they are consistent. Our pet hate is b&q. They refuse to do returns on things they don't "carry" until you point to the sign that says "return to any store" directly beneath them & ask to see the manager. Arsewipes. Grrr.

Don't have a routine for DS yet. DD's is the same process but has never been a specific time. Think that will change in the new yr to make it easier on everyone!! We do dinner as a family, maybe finish a film or something (but this will prob change) then upstairs. Bath every other night/wash, then nappy, pjs whilst playing lullabies cd, milk & story, teeth, bed. Sometimes she talks to herself for ages, other times its straight to sleep. Will start with a nappy change, feed in our bedroom with low lighting for DS at about 11pm, regardless of when he last fed, to get him in a routine after Xmas I think, in the hope he sleeps until 3 or 4ish. Maybe play lullabies cd for him too. Then gradually bring the time forward & introduce more baths, as he has dry skin.

Bryzoan Sat 22-Dec-12 10:40:17

And a mild case down below.

StuntNun Sat 22-Dec-12 10:44:41

Bryzoan my nipples are scarlet (sorry if TMI but they're usually brown) and as the infection gets worse feeding goes from ouchy to cheesegrater to broken glass. J did have white stuff in his mouth which has now gone with the Nystatin but I think that between me, baby, pump, expressed milk and dummies we are just passing it around. His bum and my 'down below' are both clear thankfully, no I don't think that it would serve DH right if he got a nasty case of thrush, oral or otherwise <innocent face emoticon>.

ChunkyTurkeywiththetrimmings Sat 22-Dec-12 10:49:42

detective will say again, arsewipe. Power trip is right. Prick.

rowingdowntheriver Sat 22-Dec-12 10:53:20

Thanks for your routine chunky, I think there are bits of it I will steal.

Ok, so I spoke too soon earlier when I said we had a miracle night. Turns out DH couldn't settle Ds2 until 2.30 am so actually a 5.30 wake up isn't particularly special after all!

On top of that, I have just discovered we have a leaky window and it is pissing with rain here.

detective, customer service like that really gets me wound up. No wonder you are unhappy with Tesco.

rowingdowntheriver Sat 22-Dec-12 10:53:55

Sorry, I mean to thank sophie

rowingdowntheriver Sat 22-Dec-12 10:54:16

sophia doh

ValiumQueen Sat 22-Dec-12 11:16:18

stunt grin I also think that scarlet nipples is hardly TMI after what we have all shared!

pikz I think as you have a temp it would be worth seeing someone today. Hope you are better soon x

Right, this swaddle thing... Linkey please?

Also, about 1000 threads ago someone mentioned nursing bras that fitted over several sizes, about £10 or so. Can anyone remember what they were called? My mothercare ones are still too small despite my breasts settling. I do not want to spend a fortune.

Damn, only just found this post-natal thread. Looks like i've got alot of reading to do o.O

Peaky1 Sat 22-Dec-12 11:38:30

Just got out the shower (yippee!!) and gave decided I'm getting sick of jeans. People were talking about dresses for BF earlier. Any tips or particular shops?

Stunt thanks for the Kindle tips there. I can't wait to get one! I have a recommendation for a heart felt comedy (I'm usually fantasy/sci-fi/crime etc and am happy to admit that I got bored of pride and prejudice after 50 pages of her describing a blade of grass). It's called the woman who went to bed for a year by Susan Townsend. I'm only halfway through due to lack if time and 1-handed skills (!) but it's had me in stitches!

TheDetective Sat 22-Dec-12 11:47:58

I got my swaddle from boots, am on phone at the min! It was a grobag swaddle. It's not a Velcro one. Am getting another from Argos, the summer swaddle wrap. That has Velcro. The first size is up to 14lb.

Just about managing to keep up with reading the thread, but posting has been pretty much beyond me until now!

Babylaughalot had a nightmare day yesterday, she was sound asleep having her afternoon sleep when the midwife came (why can't they ever give you even a rough time that they might be arriving?!) so was woken when we stripped her off to be weighed. This was 4.30. It's fab that she's now above her birth weight and so has been discharged, but she then wouldn't go back to sleep, and was fussy for the rest of the day, missing her evening nap too and not getting to sleep until 11.20! She's had more sleep today already than she had all day yesterday! And she's going to get more as we're off to Cornwall this afternoon to spend Christmas and new year with my folks.

Detective that really is rubbish service from Tesco. Let us know what response you get from your complaint.

Peaky I've bough some tops and a dress that goes with leggings from Mamaway, might be worth a look?

kirrinIsland Sat 22-Dec-12 12:01:39

detective I'm not surprised you're annoyed. I often wonder why people like that work in customer facing roles when they clearly don't like customers.

Our even routine, as dictated by N, is to alternate between feeding and crying from 9 till midnight and then consent to going in the Moses basket. Luckily she does sleep for a good few hours after that. I do dim the lights and keep things quiet but other than that I'm not really doing anything to attempt to get her down any earlier.

that means, of course, that I get no time to myself really - I miss my evenings where I could actually do stuff, but hopefully it won't be for too long.
I am managing to keep the kitchen vaguely clean and wipe round the bathroom, along with laundry but other than that the house is a hovel and it's starting to get me down - and I'm really not a neat freak by any stretch of the imagination. It just annoying when you can see something really needs doing and you just can't get to it sad

Is anyone else feeding literally all day? N is 6 weeks and she goes 1.5 hours between feeds - but only because I make her! Left to her own devices she'd feed every 20 minutes or so.

Passmethecrisps Sat 22-Dec-12 12:38:16
blonderthanred Sat 22-Dec-12 12:39:26

kirrin mine seems to alternate days between feeding all day (yesterday 9-4) and being more chilled out (today just had to wake him for a feed). May be something to do with him keeping the supply going?

Peaky we have the exact same thing with shoulder time - he loves being carried about but if you dare to sit down he is furious. They must like the view!

Passmethecrisps Sat 22-Dec-12 12:39:37

Should have said £10 from Amazon. There are different types I think. I am going to get more.

StuntNun Sat 22-Dec-12 12:55:23

This is the bra that fits over several sizes, I have been wearing them since late pregnancy and at night as well. www.more4mums.co.uk/maternity/maternity-bras/emma-jane-next-generation-seam-free-maternity-nursing-bra-361.html
They're super comfy but not amazingly supportive so you couldn't go out jogging in them.

ChunkyTurkeywiththetrimmings Sat 22-Dec-12 12:56:34

peaky try mamafeelsgood.com (they have an eBay shop) & have a cheap dress & smart top in black & purple. Also NCT does some good bits.

stunt no, no me time here either. Told DH I haven't had a break from either child or both in at least 6wks. I was hoping for a couple of hours off last night, but our girls night was cancelled. sad

kirrin your evening routine made me smile smile

Belgrano Sat 22-Dec-12 13:20:06

Kirrin I remember learning (am a student midwife) that in tribal societies where babies are carried all day long near the breast they tend to feed every 20 mins or so. Researchers think that's how we've evolved so I think your DD is entirely within her rights (like mine!) at wanting feeding all the time. I guess it's not their fault we want to cook dinner and clean the bathroom. I have the same problem though-particularly in the evening. My DS was the same too. I've decided i am going to fashion an African style sling and leave my boobs out for the evening and see how we go...!

PetiteRaleuse Sat 22-Dec-12 13:45:28

Wow, just took me 40minutes to catch up on less than a day's chat on here.

Bedtime routines don't happen in my house, other than dinner, teeth, nappy change and into bed with an iphone or ipad to watch youtube videos for 20 minutes or so. That's DD1. Could be any time from 7pm to 10pm though.

Tesco are shite Detective. I go out of my way to avoid them when in the UK because of how rubbish they were when I lived in London many years ago.

LO developed a scaly rash on her face suddenly earlier in the week after spending half an hour or so snuggling up to a friend. I assume it was a reaction to a different washing powder to the one she's used to. I went down over the next few days. It didn't seem to bother her. I use Mustela baby moisturising cream on her face. It's very gentle and the paediatrician said I could use it and it would help the rash. I don't know if you can get it over there.

Pissing it down with rain here. Nothing like as bad as in the UK.

There was a horrible story in the news here this week of a two day old baby being kidnapped from one of my local maternity wards. She was found thank God later the same day. Does anyone else feel less able to handle news stories involving children since having children of your own?

kirrin I'm the same, I just have time to wipe down kitchen/ cook/ put on washing. She'll only sleep well on my bed so have to get her to sleep there which isn't easy with ds jumping around.

She's been asleep for nearly 2 hours now smile

X post! petite yes I def feel like that because its alot easier to relate. That story of the shooting in America the other week was awful I felt so sorry for those poor parents, right before Xmas too sad

Sophiathesnowfairy Sat 22-Dec-12 14:00:32

Detective that is poo service someone else said it, but why do these grumpy non customer focused people get those roles? Keep us posted. In the meantime is there another Tesco to try?

Kirrin DH I have prioritised kitchen over bathroom and the whole house is rather embarrassing tbh. I hate it like this, but with Christmas, birthdays's, a new baby, and DH hanging around the house a lot that is the way it will be. Exacerbated by the fact we are in a small rented house while we are building so we have too much stuff anyway.

So next job......squeeze all the pressies, bizarre collection of clothes that fit me and all of us in the car for our Christmas exodus to Northern
Ireland......... And I will be getting a tour of my new house while we are there....whoop whoop grin grin grin. Even if there is only foundations and I will have to wear Wellies rather than slippers.

Sophiathesnowfairy Sat 22-Dec-12 14:05:13

Oo and I have just opened the Christmas Baileys! <lunchtime tipple emoticon> only one small one though while I finish off some wrapping.

ValiumQueen Sat 22-Dec-12 14:17:54

sophie exciting seeing the house. Look forward to hearing all about it.

PR I agree. The American tragedy really upset me as DD1 is the same age and bears an uncanny resemblance to one of the girls who died. I was really angry with her that day and felt awful. The details they give in the reports are unnecessarily detailed I think. In my work I work closely with social services and prefer to work with children who are not the same age and gender as mine. It is hard enough anyway without a direct comparison. Last Christmas I was instrumental in providing evidence and expert opinion that resulted in a child being removed on Christmas Eve. That was horrid, but I know I do my job much better having had children of my own. The vulnerability and need just does not register the same when you are not a parent. In my opinion. It is a horrible world we live in, and we cannot do much to change that, but we can do our best to make sure that these little souls who have been entrusted to us get all the love and care they deserve. That is much more important than having a tidy home.

PetiteRaleuse Sat 22-Dec-12 14:51:33

You are right VQ. The 24hr news culture where the public are always wanting more more more updates means these events are reported in horrific detail, and so intrusive I find for those who are unfortunate enough to be involved.

Lane81 Sat 22-Dec-12 15:08:53

Trying to catch up but struggling a bit! No routine here, LO tends to go down at 11.30pm but that's only by accident but does seen to happen every day. Have noticed in the last couple if days that the TV seems to overstimulate her, so might have to start turning that off now she's more alert.

Detective that sounds like a nightmare, am exhausted thinking about it!

Had a lie-in this morning and Buck's Fizz, courtesy if DH. Xmas is starting off well. Am dreading the drive down to Brighton w/ bf baby tmrw, then various other places around the country.

I can't watch anything about children ATM the shootings, adverts on TV etc-cant handle it!

ValiumQueen Sat 22-Dec-12 15:12:12

There is one advert about kids waking up on the streets. I have to leave the room sad

MissMummy1 Sat 22-Dec-12 15:42:28

Bloody SIL! Was meant to be here this morning. Then it was 2pm. They phoned at half 1 to say they were just leaving (2+ hour drive away at least). They still aren't here. Would I be a total bitch to just go out?

ValiumQueen Sat 22-Dec-12 15:58:20

MM yes you would be a bitch to go out if they are travelling that far. Did they say why they were late?

TheDetective Sat 22-Dec-12 16:28:15

How the fuck do you get metanium off willies and balls?! Seriously. Oscar is not looking good down there... Poor mite! Nappy rash and crusty nads. Lovely! It just doesn't come off!!

ValiumQueen Sat 22-Dec-12 16:48:17

If it won't come off with a gentle bath do not worry. It does stain the skin,and any crusty bits should soak off ok.

MissMummy1 Sat 22-Dec-12 16:54:14

They are just really disorganised. It's always the same. And they weren't coming to see us, they're just dumping their car on our driveway while they fly home for xmas.

It's fine. They turned up at half 4. Stayed 10 mins then got dp to drive them to the airport...

kirrinIsland Sat 22-Dec-12 17:13:23

petit I actually cried watching news of the American shootings.

Exciting stuff Sophia - bet you can't wait.

ValiumQueen Sat 22-Dec-12 17:32:58

MM you would not have been a bitch then. That was very inconsiderate of them.

NervousReindeer Sat 22-Dec-12 17:39:02

Argh think in about dead, been out since 9:30 and just got home feeding LO then need to out shopping away. I don't think I've ever seen so many people in asda

PetiteRaleuse Sat 22-Dec-12 17:46:29

I rarely cried at anything before but I do now. I was in floods over the US shooting and again when Obama made his speech.

kirrinIsland Sat 22-Dec-12 17:46:51

belgrano that's interesting, I didn't know that. I'm still going to make N go a bit longer between feeds though! <mean mum emoticon>

nervous you're brave!

Passmethecrisps Sat 22-Dec-12 18:00:24

Aargh! P is not in an eating mood today at all.

NervousReindeer Sat 22-Dec-12 18:38:58

My DD has some white spots on the roof of her mouth, anyone know what they are? Don't seem to be bothering her

Passmethecrisps Sat 22-Dec-12 18:47:30

Thrush nervous? It can clear up on its own. Are you in pain?

BTW, fuck you google search. Google sleepy 6 week old and here I am trying to wrap Christmas presents and reading about a baby going into a fuckin coma. I am a twat

pikz Sat 22-Dec-12 19:11:29

Step away from google pass... Step away.

Babypikz actually slept longer than 15 during the day today. We actually got to DTD. Think DP still in shock!

Boob a lot better and no temp since this morning so hoping heat and keep emptying and it will go. I don't know what I'd do without you lot.

katkit1 Sat 22-Dec-12 20:33:16

peaky - I feel like this. Is he really mine? Where did he come from? Everyday I think this. Not sure when it will become normal that he's here. It's like a big surprise that we have this baby despite having 9 months to the very day to get used to it.

katkit1 Sat 22-Dec-12 20:38:23

StuntNun - brilliant description re: nipple thrush

This is just how I felt and looked. my nipples are scarlet the infection gets worse feeding goes from ouchy to cheesegrater to broken glass.

On my second week of meds and looking and feeling much better - more importantly I can feed again without crying.

TheDetective Sat 22-Dec-12 21:16:13

Finally on the laptop woohoo! Hate phone posting!

Another long day. Christmas is really passing me by this year, despite me frantically trying to pull it all together! Did the food shop. Arrived at Morrisons at 1.30. We didn't get out til 5 fucking pm!! Yes Oscar, I really enjoy spending an hour and a half feeding in the bloody cafe! Had to feed when we got there, even though he had fed before we went out. Then again before we left!! Had to go to Asda after that as couldn't get everything I needed!

Anyway, despite getting absolutely pissed wet through and crying at the pain in the fanjo owwwww , and finding ANOTHER leak in my car (drivers side door...) it went fine. Tell you what though, getting around any shop where with a pushchair is just an utter nightmare. Am hoping its just the time of year that means I can't get around because extra shit has been crammed in.

The car was piled high with food. It really isn't big enough for us! Just about managed with 2 children, pushchair (just the frame, put the car seat on it) and a weeks shop. Couldn't of had DP in the car too! I have to take the pram frame because I just can't do those stupid fecking trolleys that you put the car seat on. At 5ft 2, I absolutely can not see over them. I tried one and cried, it hurt because I was constantly bobbing my head around each side. People just walking randomly in front of it, and stuff that had been put in small displays in middle of aisles, well that just got crashed in to... I just can't see a thing over the top!

Got stopped loads by people cooing over Oscar. What is with that? I have never done that! I have a look and smile and think oh what a cute baby or whatever, but I've never ever gone up to anyone else with a baby and started asking questions or whatever! Not that I really mind, but it does make getting around rather lengthy at times!!

Thanks VQ it just looks a total mess down there confused. I've soaked him in a bath, and sat him in a small bowl with just his bits and bobs dangled in the water...blush but nothing worked! I thought about a little olive oil to get it cleaned and moisturised - there is dryness as well as the rash. He's got very sensitive skin. We only use cotton wool and water, and he gets changed loads. So not sure why this is his second bout of bloody nappy rash. Grrrr.

I am going to get festive. Tomorrow. I swear. After I have done the ironing and wrapped the rest of the sodding presents. grin I usually love christmas! I think I am just too tired this year!

Although I've just remembered DP is at work all day again tomorrow. He doesn't usually work sundays. Just in December. Boooooooo!

I just want to go to bed now, but there are dishes to be washed, and a pile of wet washing in the machine which will need hanging.

Does anyone else seriously worry that they are a foggy mess?! I am normally quite a sharp person, good memory(ish!) loads of common sense etc. Right now, I am wondering who this person is who has taken over my brain! I was so tired when I was driving I was worried I would miss stuff, if you know what I mean! Think I should stay out the car!!

Bryzoan Sat 22-Dec-12 21:17:35

Thanks for tge description stuntnun and katkit. Glad to hear you are seeing some improvements though sorry to hear you think the infection is moving around stunt. It sounds a nightmare to get rid of. I think I have decided I am just suffering with paranoia - fingers crossed!

Evening all

detective what a miserable jobs worth!!

Does anyone one else who's bf'ing have a fidgety, fisty piranha?? If I'm not holding her fists out of the way, I'm trying to stop her arching her back and she goes for my nipple so viciously she only takes in the nipple so hurts like buggery and I have to keep taking her off and trying again - then if I get her on properly she pushes her feet off the back of the sofa - I'm gonna have 6"nipples!!!

I'm having a tearful, fed up, want it all over day!!! With hubbie working all but Xmas eve and Xmas night it's dawned on me I have no time with out kids to do wrapping other than when they're in bed and with him at work there'll be no chance of Dottie letting me do it, I also need to pop to sainsburys to grab a few bits I forgot and want to go late at night - and when he's not at work hell be in bed sad

I started this post at 6pm one handed but Dottie wanted food!!!

I've just eaten a whole bar of bubbly mint chocolate blush

ValiumQueen Sat 22-Dec-12 21:42:54

detective of course people would stop and coo. He is not the average run-of-the-mill baby. He is a detective baby. How about mixing baby lotion with your water for cleaning his bits? I find it gets everything off. Just a squirt with a small bowl of water and you can use it for a day or two in a little tupperware container perhaps?

Thanks for the links. I am gonna get one of those bras. I will not be jogging for a while yet.

I am so not ready for christmas. Still have some presents to wrap and not bought any special food. Going to my mum for the day so do not really need any. Thankfully she lives just over the hill.

ValiumQueen Sat 22-Dec-12 21:47:16

glenda oh yes I am feeding a piranha too. A possessed piranha. Probably mis-spelt. I am amazed my nipples are not a foot long after his two sister piranhas.

Evilwater Sat 22-Dec-12 22:09:59

Sorry to hear you had an awful time in the supermarket detcetive
For the good...
I too went to the shops, but I left N with his grandfather. In retospect a good choice. All Xmas shopping done!

For the bad...
N has been VERY grumpy the past few days, and VERY sleepy. He also has been guzzling milk like no tomorrow, downed about 8oz most feeds. Not sure if this is a growth spurt.
Relatives are getting worried about the gift they sent N, on his birth. As they havnt had a thank you card! I've been a little busy, with N and Xmas too.
I'm still getting larger! And putting on weight. Plus most days I feel like thier is ice in my blood. I'm wondering weather it's the new pill the drs gave me. sad
The MIL is back.


blonderthanred Sat 22-Dec-12 22:30:22

glenda, mine is like that, I am exhausted as his feeds today have needed my full attention every second - as you say pushing fists out the way, repositioning body, relatching, aaaaargh. And then he starts crying and pulling off as though he's not getting any milk (he is, I can see it in his mouth & squirting out of my nipples!) - is he trying to drive me to distraction?

Mind you on the bright side he had a very good nap this morning at my Mums so DH and I could get the dreaded Tesco shop done (no queues, moderately busy).

I went to a shopping centre with L this week and we got lots of people stopping to admire him too. It's very hard to know what to say but I can't pretend it's not very nice!

horseylady Sat 22-Dec-12 22:32:47

Evil - I have now decided babies can be having a growth spurt at any given time.

Detective - tesco was fine here lol and at 5'8 I too struggle to see over the car. I just walk into people!!

I'm annoyed with all the rain. I'm more than annoyed actually. It's not the rains fault. Well it is actually but who's going to say sorry?!

That is all.

horseylady Sat 22-Dec-12 22:33:30

Car seat!! I can see over dh car. Mine not as easily!

GTbaby Sat 22-Dec-12 23:40:43

I'm at my mums! grin Woop.
LO is not settling in his carry cot. 2 hours of transfer fails. Managed to get him down now straight onto a bed. N seems to be all quiet on the fraggle front. Aww I remember wen I used I call him my lil fraggle. Deff has not sunk in for me.

So who is thinking about the next one? Lol. Just imagin trying to keep up with this and another due date thread! Lol. DH bought it up last night. How about we get preg jan feb time. WTF. Lol. Besides the whole too soon issue I asked him how I would cope on our one month trip to India (remember I'm drip feeding details about this soon to b infamous trip). He agreed , n thinks that I should wait n get preg out there. So by the time MS kicks in his PiL will be available to help with LO. shock Again wtf. I told him there r a few things he needs to change about himself n attitude before I go thro the whole preg thing again.
I really want another, can't wait to have another. But feel like my DH still hasn't grown up enough for the first child let alone another!

(Oh no he is crying. Quick get the dummy)

Anyway. Sucks about, itchy, rashes, crying, punching babies that we have on the thread hmm

Right better get LO night feed milks ready!

MissMummy1 Sat 22-Dec-12 23:53:02

I braved tescos with M. In the pissing rain (lots of roads flooded so scary driving - anyone else become a really nervous driver since having kids?). Never again! I cannot get over how rude and inconsiderate the general public are! I swear I'll have bruises tomorrow from all the trolleys that were rammed into me....

DP accidentally got pissed tonight. On half a bottle of wine! His drunk chat is still as crap as I remember...grin

Indenial about Christmas. Also in shock that dp has not only completed his xmas shopping but also wrapped presents?! Who is he and where is my misery tight sod carefree man?!

I broached the subject of another one tonight (half jokingly) with, "well we've already bought all the expensive stuff" - he wasn't impressed wink . I'd like to wait till M is past toddler stage after reading all your posts! And maybe try and get my career back on track (don't get me started on hmrc - £27 a week MA because of their fuck up, I'm furious) . But as much as I hated being pregnant at the time, I really miss it! We'll see...

Detective if I'd had to deal with customer services today after the tesco shop I had and wound up with an ignorant sod like that, I would have no doubt totally lost it!!

GTbaby Sun 23-Dec-12 00:51:08

So while on the tesco rant. Tesco had NO happy Xmas daddy cards. confused But LOADs of mummy cards.
What does that tell u folks? angry
Naughty daddy's are not buy us cards! But us mummy's have bought them cards. (Incase the point I'm making isn't clear loVL) except me cos they ran out lol.

i went to asda yesterday with k and i was so shocked by people....they can see you carrying a newborn and still they ram in to you with there baskets and trolleys!!

I had one woman turn round and tell me i was carrying DD wrong and that i was going to suffocate her!! then proceeded to lecture me on how to care for MY daughter...felt like fucking slapping her!

CandyPop Sun 23-Dec-12 01:12:48

glenda my LO is the same! So much so that I've had to use a nipple shield today for my right nipple! For some reason she larches better with the left but in the right she plays tug a war with it!

horsey I am Annoyed with the rain too. Who do we file our complaint too?! Makes going out which is already a faff even more of a faff when you're trying to transfer baby out of a car seat , into carrycot then putting on rain over and in between trying to make sure she doesn't get wet!

GT must be really nice to be at ur mums. Hope u relax a little now. Can't believe ur thinking of the next one. I joked with dh and said that in 2 years time when I suggest to try for another , he has permission to slap me really hard! Lol. In all seriousness, I think we will wait until this one is at least 2 years before trying for next. I need toget over a dramatic birth first! In an ideal world I would love to have 3.... But babies are expensive so depends in how well dh career progresses! And mm you just reminded me... The pregnancy stage... Yeah , wasn't too keen on that, couldn't wait for LO to come out... I wasn't one of those who loved being pregnant and I can't say I miss it!

Oh today I had to run to the car as ticket was expiring.... My belly was so wobbly .... I really felt it wobbling sad . Have my post natal appointment in New Year's Eve so once u get signed off (I has. Emcs) ten should start thinking if exercising again.

Also, is everyone bathing LO everyday? We kinda only do it every few days ... Time just kinda run away with me .... Am I a bad mother?! I should really bathe we everyday right?! I do wipe her face and neck daily
And of course her bum area is always clean.....

candy if your a bad mother then so am i as we only bath DD every few days....we just dont get the time to do it every day sad

GTbaby Sun 23-Dec-12 01:44:19

Candy me to. Wash every few days.
Hmmm maybe should start building in to a routine? Can u clean baby with a damp flannel? Not to rough?
Also LO always has hands closed up n in mittens. Seems to have sweaty hands because of it. Anyone else?

Right. Will incorporate into wake up routine. Face, neck, ears n hands.

Lane81 Sun 23-Dec-12 02:38:12

God, another already?! I couldn't imagine it. There's 14 months between my sister and I, I don't know how my parents managed it!

We've decided to wait until LO is 3, though frankly right now, I'm not 100% sure I want another despite having a positive birth etc. I'm terrified it might all go wrong a second time. Irrational I know!

rowingdowntheriver Sun 23-Dec-12 03:23:26

Ahem, bathing every other day? DS2 is currently getting bathed every other week!!! He gets topped and tailed every morning if that makes it better? Evening routine is being introduced on the 2nd Jan after Christmas and new year out of the way!

Am going to catch up on thread now - hope nobody mentions the winner of strictly as I had to get to bed before the results show. Hope Louis won, loved his show dance!

GT one redeeming feature in dh - he did get me cards from moonpig from Dottie and Tallulah with best mum in the world on it compared to his ex I'm bloody super nanny

candy bath D maybe twice a week and wash every day - have just got D's dry skin under control with oilatum and bathing dries skin out not to mention baths involve military precision with both me and dh

Would you rather LO slept 12-7 am or put to bed earlier say 9pm and then feed at 4am and thengo down again until 9 am ish??

I'm so glad D is my last one -I'm 37 and getting too old for this malarkey and looking forward to being able to go on holidays to Cuba and Maldives with just hubbie in 15 yrsbor so

StuntNun Sun 23-Dec-12 03:32:50

I only bathe L every two or three days and just wash him in between times. Little babies don't get that dirty, just a bit grubby around the edges!

For those planning their second I recommend having the first one toilet trained before the second arrives so you don't have to change two lots of nappies. I wish I didn't have such a big gap (mine are 9, 6 and 0) because DS1 and DS2 won't have much in common with DS3. That makes me think I should have another but I'm running out of time fertility-wise. It couldn't be helped though as we couldn't have handled another one earlier because of DS1's special needs. We'll just have to wait and see what the future holds.

PetiteRaleuse Sun 23-Dec-12 03:46:37

Having two under two isn't always that bad. It's hard work but the hilarious things DD1 does and says cheer me up when LO has colic, and LO's cuteness makes up for DD1's more challenging moments. I would do it this way again, even though it's hard, as I had too big a gap with my siblngs and as a result our relationship isn.t perfect.

Plus I know several people who have stopped at one because by the time their child is four or so they realise they don't want to go back to nappies and permanent feeding and being up all night. I have a friend who is currently pregnant who two years ago was saying just that, but now her dd2 will be eight years younger than dd1. She's regretting leaving it so long. That said it will be easier for her when the bay is born coz at 8 her first child will be that much more independent.

rowingdowntheriver Sun 23-Dec-12 03:47:09

Balls. DS2 has just projectile vomited on me. Twice. sad

He soaked himself, me and the bed.

He's had a nasty cough for over a week now and has just had his worse coughing fit - he can't stop coughing even now which seems to have made him sick.

kirrinIsland Sun 23-Dec-12 04:00:40

I went for 2 close together (22 month gap) on the basis that the first year or so would be really hard but that after that, when they are both a little more independent, it would be easier for me and nice for them. They are more likely to be into the same sort of thing and will hopefully be good friends. Of course, there is always the possibility they'll be like chalk and cheese but the theory is good!

I liked the idea of having 3, even whilst pregnant with N - which I can't say I enjoyed. But now she's here I feel strangely "done" , like my family is complete. Perhaps I'll change my mind but at the moment I think I've had my last. Part of it is that I've been lucky twice - straight forward pregnancies and healthy babies - so perhaps i shouldn't push my luck?

Dixiebell Sun 23-Dec-12 04:06:25

I remember that 'I can't believe I have a baby' feeling from ds1. It was a good few months before it went away. When he was about 3 months, I managed to lose balance as I was getting up from the sofa holding him. I toppled right over, dumped ds1 on floor and whacked my head on the coffee table. One of the first thoughts that went through my head was, there you go, I knew it wouldn't last (having a baby to care for) - I seriously thought I'd killed him for a split second. sad blush he was absolutely fine actually, but was weird the feeling that I had that I knew it wasn't real. It's all too real now he is 2 though! I do get moments like that with Teddy too, wow I have 2 of them!

4.5 hour stretch of sleep tonight - feels like success even if I don't get any more tonight!

I have decided that I too would like a soft warm boob to lie my head on to sleep grin.

CandyPop Sun 23-Dec-12 04:22:29

Ok will with also incorporate handmade as well as face

Just ha a nipple bashing feed ... Very sore nips now even tho I tried to re latch her so many times sad

CandyPop Sun 23-Dec-12 04:24:07


rowingdowntheriver Sun 23-Dec-12 04:27:10

Yes glenda, I often have one of those babies. More so in the evening but occasionally at other times of the day/night. Infacol has helped it a bit though.

I know what you mean pass, I have just google diagnosed DS with whooping cough!

nervous, white spots can indicate thrush or, if it is just one or two spots at the roof of her mouth, can also indicate an incorrect latch - where your nipple actually touches the roof of the mouth and runs a little. If you don't have thrush in your nipple and she doesn't seem to be in pain then I'd have guessed the later.

Yes to all those saying they can't watch anything sad about children. I've got that too, it started when DS1 was born and never went away. It all seems to real to me now and too easily relatable. The Norway massacre last year affected me hugely and knowing this, I've not actually read or watched anything about the recent event I'm the US (can't even type what really happened as I'm welling up). Feel pathetic and disrespectful by not knowing what happened but I just know that emotionally I can't cope with it ever right now.

Sophiathesnowfairy Sun 23-Dec-12 04:52:26

After each one I have really missed being pregnant but not this time. I don't miss it at all but whe I broached the subject of not haing anymore DH was a bit on committal and was not defo no more which surprised me. But I think I am done. Anymore would just be greedy!

NervousReindeer Sun 23-Dec-12 04:59:30

My LO likes to play nipple tug of war too sad not the most comfortable thing in the world

We bath LO every couple of days but find she sleeps better after a bath and were trying to get some sort of night routine otherwise she's awake till 1:30am so tonight we out her in the bath for 10min for just s kick

I want another when LO is around school age, I found being pregnant hard enough without a LO to manage to and the hours DP normally works ill be doing 95% of child care as he works mostly 7 days a week from about 10 till 7:30 sometimes later so I want LO to be abit older so its easier

Thanks for the advice for the white spots, DD doesn't seem in any pain so I think it could be her latch sad not sure we know how to do it any other a way but ill give it a whirl

The only thing I miss about being pregnant is feeling the movements and kicks

LO went 5 hours tonight!! 5 hours shock I'm still in complete shock ignores the fact that LO is now WIDE away and showing no signs of sleep and we have 3 transfer fails under our belt

Lane81 Sun 23-Dec-12 05:28:12

We do bath every day but only because its literally DD's favourite thing ever so it's nice to see her so happy.

When people talk of routinee, What times have you decided your LO should go to bed and why? How many naps would you then give them in the day and for how long? My LO barely sleeps, some days manages 10 hours only but is alert and happy so not worried. If I put her down at 7/8 she would only sleep till about 1am and them be awake all night! Or does this change? She's 5 weeks.

TheDetective Sun 23-Dec-12 06:01:29

Is anyone not bothered about any kind of routine?! I'm not fussed on routines anyway but I won't be thinking about it for a while yet. I'm going by his lead at the minute and it seems to be ok. Well, he sleeps at night once he has fed! So far, touch wood! So I don't want to rock the boat!

I'll probably think about it when he is 3 months, unless I need to sooner.

Thanks VQ! Made me giggle... A Detective baby, like an M&S baby...!

Baths - when necessary here. He has sensitive skin so bathing makes it dry. Top and tail when necessary too. He isn't a particularly mucky baby unlike his father actual ROFL, just typed that and then he bloody went and projectile vomited (up in the air - impressive!) everywhere! First time he has done that for me (DP has had it 3 times now grin ) so he has now been washed and changed! Teach me for saying that, won't it!!!!!

StuntNun Sun 23-Dec-12 06:36:39

I don't have a routine for J yet as I have enough to manage with DS1 and DS2. They put their pyjamas on at 7:30 then have supper (toast at the minute but sometimes yoghurt or biscuits or fruit) and a big glass of milk. DS1 reads to himself and DS2 has a story read to him. They have to be in bed by 8:30 and the lights are turned out by 9 at the latest. The timings are a bit flexible because they're older but they're always in bed with the lights out at 9. I used to put them to bed half an hour earlier but now I'm not working they can get up half an hour later as they don't have to go to the childminder before school. I'm going to let J find his own pattern over time before I try and fit him in with everyone else. When DS1 was a baby he would wake early but go back to sleep for a long nap at 9. It would be great if J would do the same so that he would sleep when I get back from the school run.

We're going to see the PIL today which I hope won't be awkward. Apparently they were 'perturbed' on Wednesday because I assertively put my foot down about DH going to collect my BIL from the airport. It was the principle of the thing really, I need him here focussed on me and the children, not running around after his family doing things for them. I also don't like his casual assumption that he can plan to do whatever he wants and leave me to cope on my own. If he wants to do that there has to be some tit for tat. His parents were very old fashioned - he was the breadwinner and she looked after the kids, did all the housework and held down a part time job. Fine in principle but when FIL was made redundant and out of work for a couple of years, she still did all those things. I think DH has the idea that that is the norm and he is doing me a great favour by doing any housework or looking after the kids, honestly you would think he's waiting for a medal after he's done some ironing or vacuuming!

StuntNun Sun 23-Dec-12 06:42:53

Oh and I meant to agree with PR about the age gap. Once they are 5 they become a lot easier to manage: they can dress themselves; they take themselves to the loo; they can play by themselves for a long time or watch a film; they sleep through the night; they'll behave if you go out for a meal (if they have a Nintendo DS). That's when you won't want to go back to sleepless nights and nappy changes.

It's really windy here, I hope Santa's sleigh won't get blown off course tomorrow night. He might not make it to this house if DS1 and DS2 don't tidy up their room!

daisychain76 Sun 23-Dec-12 07:03:46

That is so true aabout the age gap stunt. On routine, l just cannot work out how to get all 3 dcs to bed at appropriate times. Jjust thinnking. about it makes my brain hurt!

thedetective l have been stopped by a huge amount off people since. having H ~ it is nice, but they always ask how old he is and l always end up having to explain he was premmie (he looks nowhere near 3 months). At one point l seriously contemplated a sign on the pram alonng the lines of “yes, he is tiny, he was 7 weeks early, yes he is good for me “!

Eexciting week here ~ H started smiling properly at last and today all 3 dcss are in the church nativity with H being baby Jesus! I have just had a niightmare about Mary dropping him tho!

NervousReindeer Sun 23-Dec-12 07:18:44

Just up for the 2nd feed ofthe night grin

We get stopped by alot of people too but in completely shocked at how many people try and touch her face shock I wouldn't dream of touching a strangers child and they always look abit taken back when I move the pram slightly so they can't

ValiumQueen Sun 23-Dec-12 07:34:55

There is no perfect age gap. So many things can happen that may delay conception and each family is unique anyway. I have a bigger gap between 1 and 2 due to birth trauma, then house move and mat pay qualification period. No.3 was planned for sooner but I did not get pregnant so we decided to stop at 2. Hmm. Best laid plans eh?

I was concerned with each pregnancy that I could not be that lucky again to have a healthy child. I was convinced my eggs were too old and we had both prepared ourselves as best as we could for problems.

We knew regardless of how the pregnancy and birth went that we would not have any more and now he is here, I could not feel more complete in terms of reproduction. He is my cherry on the top.

Had a fair night. Two coughing fits. No vomit. I slept but no idea how long. I have stopped clock watching as it was getting me down. He has mainly snacked after feeding until 11.30 last night. He has not snacked that much, about 4 times and we have both nodded off quickly. I love co-sleeping and want to continue so we are adapting the cot today and moving furniture etc. It means swapping sides of the bed which will be odd after so long and I will have further to walk to the en-suite. The kids will wake daddy first too so that is a bonus. I hope it works out ok.

As for baths I am pleading the 5th amemnant wotsit. He has not been well but he is always clean. Honest.

ChunkyTurkeywiththetrimmings Sun 23-Dec-12 07:58:29

I am so totally unsure about whether I want a 3rddc. My head is adamant "no" house too small, financial implications, my age, impact on DD, impact on future lifestyle etc etc but my heart isn't saying anything concrete. I don't have a 'gut feeling' either way, but then, I've only ever wanted 2, its my DH who's wanted more, & my broodiness snuck up on me with TTC DS. It was DH that wanted to TTC DD, I just didn't say no...blush I got sad putting the clothes DS has grown out of aside to be packed away, but felt the same about DD's pink stuff after DS was born. It would be silly to have another one just to use the clothes again. We'd have to have another 2 & be certain of one of each!!! hmm

We bathe DS once a wk, but I top & tail him as needed. He likes it so might try to do it more but he was v dry skin-wise & my DD used to get v dry skin in the winter, exacerbated by baths. It seemed daft to bath her daily just 'because' then slather on the aquaeous cream, when we could bath every other day.

Had 4hrly feeds overnight. Now if I could just get myself to bed earlier, I'd be getting better sleep!!

StuntNun Sun 23-Dec-12 08:05:48

I definitely wanted a smaller age gap between mine but by the time we decided we wanted a third it then took two years of ttc. So even if we decided to go for a fourth we would have to accept that it might never happen and be content with our three lovely boys.

horseylady Sun 23-Dec-12 08:07:30

I'll not say how my night went!!

We have no day time routine, he sleeps when/if he wants. Feeding is the only 'ordered' thing but that is pretty much dictated by him.

I was thinking of starting one after Xmas but am now thinking around Easter when he'll be around 5/6 months and starting weaning. That gives 3 months for him starting uni.

This week is the first week I've not gone over the birth in huge detail on the Saturday. And been thinking 'this time 8 weeks ago I was....' I only did that a couple of times. So perhaps it's starting to fade. I could now think about having another one (maybe). Dh wants one sooner rather than later. Due to his age (I'm being serious this time!!) so well see. I don't think it will be in the first year, maybe by ds 2nd birthday well think about trying again?! I hated being pregnant too. And labour. And not being able to bf. But I love it now. I think it's lovely. I think he's lovely.

Lane81 Sun 23-Dec-12 08:08:40

I just found out that every nursery in my area has a 2.5 yr waiting list and the norm is to register when 6 months preg. WTF? Talk about organised! It's also slightly sad to be thinking about that rather than enjoying pregnancy. Still, I'm the one who is screwed. I don't even gave a job yet after being made redundant, but have to start on waiting lists!

horseylady Sun 23-Dec-12 08:10:05

3months till staring nursery.

Bloody hell.

Poor child.

horseylady Sun 23-Dec-12 08:13:20

Lane - my work had an 18month waiting list. I put his name down when I was 14 weeks (I think) by 26 weeks he had a place for next summer! So they might not be that bad!! Plus people put down for full time and only go part time etc.

Lane81 Sun 23-Dec-12 08:18:24

That's good to hear! Reading on here a couple of people said similar things, so hopefully you are right! It didn't occur to me that I would have to be so forward thinking, which is rather stupid of me!

I'm sure your LO will love it, is he going F/T? A work nursery is such a good idea!

horseylady Sun 23-Dec-12 08:21:22

4 days. I plan to work 30 hours initally. Will see after a year.

Can't see that changing tbh. I want to spend at least 3 days with him!

katkit1 Sun 23-Dec-12 08:31:37

glenda - same here, baby pulls on my nipples like a piglet at his Mum - really chowing/chewing/pulling argh! I think he's just going to pull it clean off.

katkit1 Sun 23-Dec-12 08:35:23

DH washes and dresses baby every day - it's his bonding time (thank god) they spend time in front of the wardrobe planning. I really couldn't do that on top of everything else. If I was on my own then baby would stay in pj's (probably) and would have a top and tail wash

Auch woken up with the beginning of a UTI, sad trying to flush it by drinking lots...

No routine here, L drinks and sleeps on demand. She'll hopefully settle into a routine when I start working again in 8 weeks time...
She tends to wake up between 2 and 3 for a night feed and then again early morning, so there is a pattern emerging.
Baths only twice a week, sensitive skin her too. Topping and tailing as required. I'm using reusable wipes, so bottom gets cleaned every nappy change.

ChunkyTurkeywiththetrimmings Sun 23-Dec-12 08:54:40

DD has decided she wants to wear pants not a nappy confused

ChunkyTurkeywiththetrimmings Sun 23-Dec-12 09:41:05

Bit worried I might have thrush now. The only symptom I have is slight tingly nipples, maybe a tad itchy. A doesn't seem to have any white patches in his mouth, no nappy rash, I don't have any other symptoms, not even pain during a feed. Don't want to make a mountain out of a molehill but equally don't want to find I'm really poorly on Christmas & can do nothing about it iyswim.

blonderthanred Sun 23-Dec-12 09:42:51

horsey that is so great to read and very touching.

I definitely want another (actually I'd like two more...), main problem is money but I'd like another before I'm 40 so will have to be in a year or so, first one took a year of ttc and was having probs with ovulation so who knows if/when it will happen.

Passmethecrisps Sun 23-Dec-12 09:45:58

Good luck with that chunky!

I woke up in the night with horrendous acid reflux. It was agony - thank goodness for left over gaviscon. Anyway, I now am not feeling well at all. I feel on the edge of a tummy bug.

Still a bit concerned about wee P's eating. When we were discharged w were told to aim for approx 400ml per day. She has been managing this. When we went for our appointment on Friday the Dr (who we hadn't met when she was in the hospital) said we should have been aiming for 600ml. Now, she was exceeding the previous target but is some way from the new one. This is what was stressing me out yesterday as all he seemed to want to so was sleep. It was a fight to get her to Take anything. However, by the end of the day she has still exceeded the previous target.

I am rambling but in essence I am concerned she isn't eating enough am still.

Catbag Sun 23-Dec-12 10:19:47

Will go back and read the last couple of pages in a minute, but just wanted to sheepishly say that the twins, being the grand old age of 10 weeks on Tuesday, have never seen the inside of a bath tub blush They do get top and tailed as needed though.

Def not having anymore, two is enough and I've got one of each so feel its complete now.

We're going to take them out for a walk later then chill out for the day, think my mum might be coming round too.

Doesn't feel like its Christmas soon, too grey and warm.

ValiumQueen Sun 23-Dec-12 10:26:54

pass try not to count up the fluids as you go. Just jot it down then review the next morning. If she will not take it, she will not take it, and worrying is gonna make her less likely to take it. She will be ok, some days they are more sleepy or less hungry than others but often make up for it the next day.

DS vomited vast amounts this morning just after we had both got washed and dressed. Blooming mucus. He seems happier for it.

horsey that is lovely. Healing is happening x do prepare for his first birthday though as I found it hit me really badly. If you are prepared then you are likely to cope better. I was not expecting to feel how I did. I know it is a way off, but I thought best say now otherwise I would forget.

Evilwater Sun 23-Dec-12 10:27:01

Urgent news!!!!
N manged to move around on his back in the cot.

He gets bathed once a week usally on Sunday night.

ValiumQueen Sun 23-Dec-12 10:31:26

cat I am so glad you said that. DS was bathed in hospital and that is it as he has had a cold since age 1 week. It also makes a difference if you have other kids too. Time just goes. He is sparkly clean though, and the washable wipes means he has his bum washed properly a dozen times a day. He will be having a bath over Christmas though.

ValiumQueen Sun 23-Dec-12 10:33:04

evil congratulations Nick! I swear DS moves a few inches towards me at night. DH probably moves him to give himself more room.

Catbag Sun 23-Dec-12 10:40:52

pass Do not let this stress you out. In my experience medical professionals are obsessed with babies piling on as much weight as possible in the shortest amount of time. My 10 yr old DD was one of twins and only weighed 3lb 11oz when she was born. She was slow to put on weight despite feeding well, and I was pushed into high calorie formula top ups when she was 8 weeks old to increase her weight. Granted this was to get her heavy enough to possibly undergo heart surgery, but even after it was ascertained that this would not be necessary, they were still obsessed. She tickled along underneath the 0.4th percentile for the first 2 years of her life, but maintained a steady curve and hit pretty much most of her developmental milestones more or less on time. My point is that she is a sturdy ten year old who is actually tall for her age and very bright, and no one can believe it when I tell them about her problems at birth. From such a tiddly start she has caught up beautifully now. Follow your instinct with your daughter. Had the consultant not said that, you would not be worried at all (I assume). They work on generalisation of thousands of babies; you are working on the specifics of P.

Passmethecrisps Sun 23-Dec-12 10:41:41

Ach, a wee bit of dirt never did anyone any harm! P gets a bath every day but that is more about us than her need.

Right, I have taken our temperatures with both an inner ear thermometer and a forehead strip. The forehead strip has us both as normal but the inner ear one has us both with a temperature. Unfortunately the inner ear one changes every single time we use it. My temperature ranges from 38.1 to 40.8. Does anyone have experience of this?

I thought P looked a bit flushed this morning and I feel dreadful.

blonderthanred Sun 23-Dec-12 10:43:32

I'm another top and tailer, we've done a few baths but it hasn't seemed necessary and causes a lot of screaming (mostly him) and poo accidents (all him, but usually ends up on me). Am hoping to make it part of bedtime routine in future along with massage as that seems to make him sleep for hours.

Passmethecrisps Sun 23-Dec-12 10:47:55

Thanks cat and VQ. I need to chill out. When she is awake she seems happy and alert. I promised Dh that I would just let her sleep today rather than insist on waking her up. She slept for just over 7 hours - waking up hungry.

Christmas is falling solely on DH's shoulders this year - poor soul!

Catbag Sun 23-Dec-12 10:51:11

pass I've put a pic of my kids onto fb so you can see how awesome/ beautiful/ tall my tiddley baby twin turned out at 10 years old grin

ValiumQueen Sun 23-Dec-12 11:03:19

pass I think your thermometer is faulty. If your temp were that high you would feel awful. Might be time for a new one as you need to be able to rely on it.

ChunkyTurkeywiththetrimmings Sun 23-Dec-12 11:30:50

pass catbag speaks wise words!!

Pants were a bit of a fail this morning - DD doesn't like stopping what she's doing to go for a wee. 1 wet carpet later... She had already decided to wear a nappy out with the GP so that's fine.

TooManyDicksOnTheDancefloor Sun 23-Dec-12 11:44:30

Well we're definitely stopping at two. We've got a five year age gap which is great. Dd1 is really self sufficient and sleeps through the night, she doesn't even wake when B is screaming for food!

We only bathe B twice a week, wash her bum every nappy change as she developed nappy rash. Wash face and neck every day.

We've been following the baby whisperer EASY routine. We work in three hour intervals, she feeds first, then stays awake for an hour then sleeps for 1hr 30mins. And repeat! Start at 7am each day and she's ready to sleep for the night by 9pm. She then sleeps for 5hrs, wakes 2-3am for feed, then sleeps till 6-7am.

Works well for us, did it with Dd1 too. We're very flexible though and I feed on demand if she needs it. Just means we know where we are and she sleeps well at night.

Sophiathesnowfairy Sun 23-Dec-12 11:57:33

Ha, got to Holyhead. Baby sleep times out of the window but breaks for feed times adhered to! Hopefully have a perky Olly for the afternoon on the boat so my nights sleep won't be too wrecked. hmm

TheDetective Sun 23-Dec-12 12:02:17

Me and Oscar have only just grumped our way out of bed this morning. I would like to say we had a good night but no, he fed 2.5 hourly all flippin' night. So I managed probably just over an hour sleep between feeds. Hence the refusal to get up early! At least Oscar obliged...! Finding it harder and harder to get back to sleep in the middle of the night now. Anyone else??!

KissysUnderTheMisteltoe Sun 23-Dec-12 12:03:21

We bath LO every other day, more or less. Mainly to use the oilatum bath stuff and the cream as it works better after skin has been cleaned apparently.

Definitely stopping at 2, can't afford to have anymore cos we would have to move to a bigger house! Also don't think I could have another c section. Feel very happy with my 2 lovely girls smile

kirrinIsland Sun 23-Dec-12 12:06:20

I've just heaved a sigh of relief reading cat and VQ's posts - N hasn't had a bath yet at 6 weeks old. A combination of very dry skin and bronculitis and a lack of time means I've left it for now. I do top and tail religiously though.

pass my thermometer always gave a higher reading each time I used it. In the end I ditched it and bought a new one. This one gives the same reading several times in a row. I think the difference is that the new one has disposable covers for the ear probe and the last one didn't so retained heat?

PetiteRaleuse Sun 23-Dec-12 12:10:53

We've stopped at two.

Just FYI it took us over 2 years and 2mcs to get DD1. She was born in March. The following January we decided to try for another, expecting to take at least a year. DTD once (I was ill). And DD2 was on the way smile a little sooner than expected.

PetiteRaleuse Sun 23-Dec-12 12:13:49

Oh, LO gets bathed rarely. I use a cream to clean her body, checking the skin folds in particular. Baths dry her skin out far too much. As she gets older she'll be bathed more frequently.

TheDetective Sun 23-Dec-12 12:46:42

I wanted a third. But the way I physically feel now I don't. Quite frankly if both types of birth have caused me long term damage, I never want to do it again! Plus hyperemesis seems to be a dead cert for me sad

I also definitely do not want a baby/toddler combo! I'm not cut out for it. Take my hat off to those who are doing it!! I wanted a 3 year age gap. The pregnancy plus toddler would kill me off. Let alone the new baby plus toddler!

I'm not sure what I'll do now. I don't feel finished having children but I'm not keen to go through this again. Will have to see in time I guess!

ValiumQueen Sun 23-Dec-12 12:59:48

dicks I am reading the baby whisperer again.

detective you have age on your side. You could have another 10 year age gap. And have an ELCS. You know what you are getting with an ELCS.

I have a bedside cot now and it is fabulous. I am so happy. Tried it out with DS and giving him a feed and he smiled and laughed all the way through it.

kirrinIsland Sun 23-Dec-12 13:01:31

i have to say, if I do decide to go for a third I will leave a slightly larger gap. But if I had my time over again I'd still have this gap between the first two - even though DD1 frequently drives me insane. 3 very close together would be too much for me I think. I am getting better at my 'cool calm and collected mum' impressions though! But then I leave the room to bang my head against a wall

TheDetective Sun 23-Dec-12 13:24:33

VQ it would be just my luck that I'd end up with further complications!! It seems I just don't have a body capable of healing properly. The only reason I haven't had my c/s scar refashioned is because the discomfort is on adopting certain positions which I have learned to avoid now. The fanjo is being fixed though... I need it! Plus it hurts 24/7 just varying degrees of pain! Who knows, maybe it will just sort itself out... Knowing my luck, probably not! I'm trying not to think about the fact I will have to live like this for another 5 months. sad

TheDetective Sun 23-Dec-12 13:27:07

I have to share this as I have been literally rocking with laughter trying to contain it! Was feeding Oscar before when he started making his usual grunting/heavy breathing efforts. Ds1 pipes up 'he sounds like you and DP at night time sometimes'.... What the feck was I meant to say to that!!!! Arghhhhhh. blush

Bad me is still laughing inside though...!

blonderthanred Sun 23-Dec-12 13:45:07

Sitting here in tears. Sister is having a little party this aft so thought I'd put L into a Christmas outfit a friend sent (0-3m) and it's falling off him. It's brought home how small he is. I must be doing something wrong. No gold top milk here. Feel so bloody useless. Sorry.

ChunkyTurkeywiththetrimmings Sun 23-Dec-12 14:09:25

You're not useless blonder and its the HP that have made you feel this way. If nobody had told you that his weight gain was 'wrong' you would have just accepted he was petite. The charts show a range of sizes - there always has to be someone at the top & someone at the bottom & lots in between.
And for its worth - DS is a Chunky monkey & only just growing out of 1st size & it took ages for my DD to need 0-3 size clothes, just because she started at 6lb5 & didn't hit 9lb+ until 10wks.

NervousReindeer Sun 23-Dec-12 14:39:16

blonder don't let it upset you, my LO is 9w and not in 0-3 yet, they all grow at different paces and she'll get there eventually

NervousReindeer Sun 23-Dec-12 14:40:02

I ment he'll get there blush was thinking if my DD

NervousReindeer Sun 23-Dec-12 14:40:30

I had to take her Xmas dress back because it was 0-3 and way to big

kirrinIsland Sun 23-Dec-12 14:42:59

blonder it's the HVs making you feel like this because they are looking at average figures, not your baby personally. Both he and you are doing fine. fWIW DD is 10lbs and her newborn stuff still fits and 0-3 stuff looks big on her - a lot depends on where it's from.

KissysUnderTheMisteltoe Sun 23-Dec-12 15:06:35

Blonder you're not useless at all. Like others have said your LO is just petite, and its weight obsessed HVs making you feel this way. as my mum used to say to me when I was younger "good things come in small packages" smile

KissysUnderTheMisteltoe Sun 23-Dec-12 15:07:55

I was 5lb 4 at birth and a tiny baby for a good while, I turned out alright smile

kirrinIsland Sun 23-Dec-12 15:15:06

I was 4lb11 at birth and I'm ok too if a little flabby round the middle

ValiumQueen Sun 23-Dec-12 15:19:16

blonder you are doing a fantastic job honey. I am so very proud of you x

ValiumQueen Sun 23-Dec-12 15:41:46

Disasterous shopping trip for us. Sainsburys. Tried DS in the lean back seat on the trolley as have DD2 also. Scream scream scream. DH doing shop with DD2 and me and DD1 in cafe with no money for a coffee or anything, or indeed hands to carry it. DS fed and still not happy. Worth coming out then. Grr

november12mum Sun 23-Dec-12 15:42:23

Hello everyone,
I need some opinions from more experienced mums,my DS has not eaten since 11 this morning,is it normal for them to go so long without milk,am I overreacting by panicking? He had like 3 min at the breast now but he does not seem very hungry or interested in the breast.thanks in advance for any replies

KissysUnderTheMisteltoe Sun 23-Dec-12 15:48:30

How many weeks is your LO november? Did he have quite a lot of feeds this morning? Maybe he filled himself up on those? My LO is 5 weeks and has gone up to 5 hours between a feed at night before. I bet your DS will wake up hungry soon.

Catbag Sun 23-Dec-12 15:49:08

blonder I would first direct you tomwhat I saod to pass this morning, and then further to fb to observe what my 3lb 11oz tiddley daughter looks like, ten years on. She could only wear dolls clothes to start with and didn't get into newborn size clothes until she was four and half months. Don't let these health visitors and whatnot knock your confidence. Seriously, go back a couple of pages and read what I put, because it appplies to you too <<hugs>>

Catbag Sun 23-Dec-12 15:52:34

'scuze the typos - I'm leaning over two feeding babies' head tp type this on the tablet grin

november12mum Sun 23-Dec-12 15:52:39

He will be 6 weeks tomorrow,he is awake and seems fine just not interested in the breast at all.not sure what to make of it.

DonnaDoon Sun 23-Dec-12 15:53:21

blonder blonder blonder blonder My dd is older than yours and still in first size too she was only 9lb 2oz when weighed last week its nothing to worry about I promise they get bigger in the end (unmumsnetty hugs)

blonderthanred Sun 23-Dec-12 16:26:06

Oh I just posted & lost the post.

Thank you so much. Sorry for the wobble, just suddenly felt really awful. This week he has been so brilliant, smiling, alert, sleeping better and grasping his toys, I had almost forgotten he was 'failing to thrive'...

You have all been so lovely and I feel a bit more rational now. He is wearing a nice stripey newborn babygro my sister bought him so she is pleased and he's being passed round admiring grandparents.

ValiumQueen Sun 23-Dec-12 16:34:11

november he will eat when hungry. He sounds fine and is getting quite a big boy.

blonder if your milk was rubbish he would not be like you describe.

StuntNun Sun 23-Dec-12 17:09:22

Blonder my boys both wear clothes a year younger than their age at 9 and 6 but they're still in the normal range on the growth charts. Look at how healthy he is and whether he meets developmental milestones, not on whether he meets the HV's criteria.

ChunkyTurkeywiththetrimmings Sun 23-Dec-12 17:34:38

I think, when my DD was always a couple of months behind clothes sizes, I looked at the Mothercare sizes (which, imo, are v generously sized) and found that a child would have to be above the 50th centile on all measurements to fit into their sizes at the appropriate ages. Which means about 75% of the baby population must be in each size "late" because half of all boys and most girls wouldn't be that size. My friends nearly 2yo son is still in 9-12mth trousers. I figure labels don't count in the same way a size 14 label in my clothes is invisible. smile

Sounds like "fun" VQ

Novembermum our boys are exactly the same age. I'm sure he's fine - my worry would be that he'll want to feed every 2hrs at night wink

PetiteRaleuse Sun 23-Dec-12 17:35:38

November he'll be going ibto growth spurt mode or coming out of it so sleeping more. He may well soon be snacking little and often.

Blonder,I was born small and stayed well underweight for my height until I was 29. Then years of being able to eat what I wanted and not put on a lb caught up with me. Weight doesn't matter as long as we are healthy. That remains true right through life.

And your LO is happy and a visibly happy baby is healthy. Grasping toys is a key milestone at his age so that box can be ticked.

november12mum Sun 23-Dec-12 19:36:09

Yes Petite,he does sleep more lately,so it could be a growth spurt.well,at least he had a good 25 min on the breast now so I feel much better.i guess he will be waking more often at night to feed but at least I finally have my DP at home helping, so I'm trying to be positive.
I hope you all get some rest tonight.

horseylady Sun 23-Dec-12 19:42:32

Blonder hugs. He would not be bright and alert if he was not getting enough. Ds was 11lb Wednesday and the mother care 0-3 baby grows are huge on him!!! His vests are slightly big still. I wouldn't worry too much as everyone says. As with clothes sizes for us there is huge variation. I can be anything from an 8 to a 12 lol!!! Obviously I don't change so shops vary wildly!!

I need to finish wrapping presents. Dh has gone training. Ds will not be put down. I also really need to Hoover and do the washing. The sling is in the car. I do not think I'll be moving far.....

Evilwater Sun 23-Dec-12 20:22:19

Ok ladies that day is almost here, and for the ladies that have done this before,
How do you get the baby to sleep on Xmas night??


horseylady Sun 23-Dec-12 20:52:16

Just to say vq, I have fully prepared myself for the first birthday, I expect it to be enjoyable but for the birth to be quite a strong memory again. I was pleased yesterday that it didn't affect my day as it had done.

Evil not sure what you mean? This year were keeping the 'routine' fairly samey. Only because we've just settled into the nighttime routine so want to keep it going if we can. Thankfully were not going too far so it should be ok. For ds it will just be another day!!

ValiumQueen Sun 23-Dec-12 21:05:48

I thought DD1 would act as normal her first christmas at six months of age. Midnight arrived and her little eyes pinged open and stayed open. She was sleeping through by then and was not ill. I think she just picked up on the excitement. My two are going to be to bed very late tomorrow.

Feeding DS in his swanky co-sleeping cot and I feel like I have my massive bed back again. DH is gonna be all cuddly though. Not really looking forward to that as still not fully redeemed himself from the other night.

detective that reminds me I must get my bedroom door fixed. It does not even close properly and the kids are getting older...

blonder hope you are feeling a bit better now x

daisychain76 Sun 23-Dec-12 21:38:16

Well, if l say so myself, H was a pretty good Jesus in the Church nativity. Slept right through. l was feeling quite proud of getting us there on time, all looking smart and dcs knowing their lines. Then dh pointed out l‘d had my top on back to ffront and inside out all morning, inluding when l went up on stage in front of the whole congregation to give H to Mary. I will never make a yummy mummy!

NervousReindeer Sun 23-Dec-12 21:53:07

grin detective I bet you never managed to keep a straight face

Lane81 Sun 23-Dec-12 21:58:02

I tried reading the baby whisperer and to be honest the EASY routine scared me, mainly because my LO feeds to sleep and doesn't seem to be able to change that. I might pick it up again in a few months, but feel I need to get to know her a bit better first

Dixiebell Sun 23-Dec-12 22:04:58

Lane, I was thinking that too. Teddy is always asleep by the end of his feeds. What do others do? Wake baby up for some activity time? When Ted's awake he pretty much just wants to feed too.

blonderthanred Sun 23-Dec-12 22:15:31

Thank you so much for all the reassurance about clothes sizes. It makes a lot of sense that baby clothes sizes vary in shops just as adult ones do and it's good to know other babies are still in smaller sizes too.

I'm not sure how tomorrow will pan out with bedtimes etc Evil. I'd just better remember to hang the stocking on the cot or Father Christmas might not come!

advice needed from some experienced mummys please!!

my LO is 2 weeks old and seems to throw up a rediculous amount! it used to be just after feeds in the night and mw said it was fine but the last couple of days she seems to be projectile vomiting during the day AND night regardless of when i fed her. I know babies throw up a lot but this just seems to be too much.

Am i just worrying over nothing or should i go back and demand they check her?