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November 2012 - hurry up to graduate, we're running out of November

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StuntNun Mon 26-Nov-12 11:03:46

Signing in.

MissMummy1 Mon 26-Nov-12 11:11:46

I want my baby now please, but will settle for somewhere on this thread!!! <crosses everything except legs>

Marking place

Marking place now I'm a mummy

Lane81 Mon 26-Nov-12 11:40:32

Welcom to fatima good to have her join us. Only 4 days left of November!

Hi all, can I join?smile

DS2 was born on November 22nd, and has been feeding lots ever since. DS1 is 3.5 and i was worried about how he would talke it but he seems to be doing well so far, he just hates when baby cries!

PetiteRaleuse Mon 26-Nov-12 13:06:42

Marking place

blonderthanred Mon 26-Nov-12 13:58:40

Hello new thread, welcome Freddie. Congrats on DS2, does he have a name yet?

capedcrusader25 Mon 26-Nov-12 14:12:57

Marking my place. Completely missed the last thread or two due to living in Baby bubble!! She's currently passed out lying across my arm and the cushions with her arm in a Superman style pose smile She's 4 weeks old today and think I'm just about over the shock and getting used to having a little person in the house.
Hope everybody is ok, congrats to all the new Mummys and Daddys!

Brockle Mon 26-Nov-12 14:41:52

Marking my place and hoping my bowling ball boobs will go down soon!

Brockle Mon 26-Nov-12 14:41:52

Marking my place and hoping my bowling ball boobs will go down soon!

daisychain76 Mon 26-Nov-12 18:08:53

Marking place (thanks stunt you do a fab job with the threads). Welcome freddie and congrats fatima, caped and anyone l missed at any point!

Chunkychicken Mon 26-Nov-12 21:20:01

Marking spot.

PetiteRaleuse Mon 26-Nov-12 21:51:59

Just watching the French equivalent of OBEM. Much quieter the the UK one. The vast majority of women here have an epidural. In two episodes there's just one that didn't and she only had time to get undressed before the baby arrived.

kirrinIsland Mon 26-Nov-12 22:02:39

Welcome Freddie

Just marking my place before heading off to bed in a desperate attempt to get some sleep before the cluster feeding starts!

Sophiathesnowfairy Mon 26-Nov-12 22:10:15

Here Miss Stunt. Just'

Kyzordz Mon 26-Nov-12 22:41:01

Marking place, havent posted for a bit but have been following threads smile waiting for E to wake up for next feed, might see if I can grab an hour before he's up. He's 3 weeks old tomorrow, it's gone ever so quick but night times seem SO long!

Settled down in bed feeding.
L does like sleeping next to me instead of Moses basket, wondering whether to invest in co sleeper cot it just continue bedsharing...

TheDetective Mon 26-Nov-12 23:11:42

I can't get over how happy this little bambino makes me! Oh my word, if this was a drug, they'd sell it by the bucket load!

I actually haven't stopped smiling even when I've wanted to poke DP's eyes out for 4 days now!

He is just awesome! He loves the boob, we've been doing well with feeding, not had any major issues yet. He has had a couple of top ups when I was so tired at night and been doing the 2 hour feedathon where he still wasn't satisfied! I promised myself that I wouldn't risk my sanity by trying to breastfeed through everything and anything. I'm happy with how it is all going though! I'm glad I have the knowledge I do though, because I don't think it would have been as easy if I didn't. He took 4 hours of perseverance after he was born to get him on the breast. He found latching on difficult in the first 18 hours or so, but by the middle of the night he was easier to latch. At first it was taking me up to 15 minutes to get him on.

Once my milk started coming in yesterday morning we graduated from me holding baby in opposite arm, tit in hand, and keeping him in a straight line. I can now one handed and sometimes no handed! feed. My boobs aren't brilliant for feeding - well they weren't. Tissue is quite soft, and not as pert as one would like grin and my nipples aren't stonkers! Initially the best way of getting him on was some nipple stimulation to bring the nipples out - would recommend that to anyone who has yet to start on the road of breastfeeding! It really helped in getting him on. Now my boobs are big and firm, its so much easier! Phew!

I think DP is happier with me breastfeeding now. Initially he was pushing the top ups, where as for me, they are for when I can't take much more and am at the end of the knackereditis line! He got the idea to shut up and let me get on with it. Unhelpful comments have ceased such as oooh look how much he loves his bottle thank god.

Felt sorry for DP last night though, he started crying in the middle of the night as he felt that he could never get the baby to settle! A bit of reassurance seemed to work - we were both shattered! Today we all stayed in bed, til 3pm, whether awake or asleep! It was a much needed break! We all feel better for it now!

I'm having some issues with my stitches, I am going to ring the midwives in the morning and ask for a visit - I think that the one outside stitch needs removing, it is too tight, and that is causing the pain. The bruising is now subsiding. I showed DP down there tonight. He went a bit pale grin.

Tomorrow I hope to finally muster the energy to wash my hair for the first time since the pool dunking episode grin. I've managed baths, but the energy to wash and dry hair has been none existent! After stitch is snipped, if I am comfortable enough we may try a little walk round the block with the dog!

So far visitors have generally been behaved, and we have had very few! My mum was here with DS as we arrived home, and stayed for 15 minutes. DP's mum came later in the evening and stayed for an hour. The next day his sister turned up unannounced, while I was in fucking bed angry. Was fuming as I was so tired. She had text me but not waited for a reply and just came around anyway!!

Yesterday we were left alone, and today a friend came round for 45 minutes!

Pretty pleased that I've not felt the need to be the hostess with the mostess! I've just sat round with my tits out in front of anyone who happened to be here grin. Probably why no one else has been. grin

Nervous I'm sorry to hear about your DP. That is just awful sad What shit timing too, not that it should happen to anyone, but you know what I mean. Did the person who did it get caught?

I'm here, still feeding J. I've sent DP to get some sleep, he was down here with us but he was nodding off and in terrified of him driving tomorrow so early on no sleep for 2 days. We're watching Christmas songs hmm

TheDetective Mon 26-Nov-12 23:21:20

I was worried about DP driving to school this morning too Tits. He had to drive with the windows open, and music loud! Worst thing was he got stuck in traffic due to both ways to school having various issues - motorway had oil spillage last night right by our house after an accident there. And 2 sets of roadworks/temp lights going the A road way. So he didn't get back til 9.50 after setting out at 8.30 sad

I'm so grateful that DP is off for 4 weeks now though. And then DS will be off for christmas holidays. So that means from now til January, he can do the school run if I can't.

I'd be a total stresshead if I didn't have him here for some time yet! I take my hat off to anyone doing it with a DP back at work, no DP, young kids... etc! I feel lucky that DS is so helpful too! I couldn't imagine doing all this with a toddler or young children too!

Luckily it's his last week and he's chosen to take December off work to help us out. The boys don't finish school until the 21st so I'm quite looking forward to some time with DP. smile

Passmethecrisps Mon 26-Nov-12 23:57:50

pikz what an incredible story! Good on your DH for taking charge and thank goodness it was discovered in time.

I have a feeling that this will be a long night. We changed formula and I suspect it has affected P's tummy. She has scoffed all day drinking full bottles of 120 ml and only sleeping 1.5 hours between feeds. She has just finished another bottle yet is crying for more. However, she seems cramped and in pain so I suspect has trapped wind or constipation. I have given her some cooled boiled water and she is currently sucking her fingers in the Moses basket. She does seem calmer at the moment. Fingers crossed

TheDetective Tue 27-Nov-12 00:06:00

Yippee! Just used the hand pump and got 30mls off each side. Putting it away for tonight in case of mummy exhaustion - so we can shelve the formula for now!

We are going to attempt bed in a minute... little monkey has fed most of the evening, only going in to his moses basket in the last 30 minutes. Lets see what the night brings!

GTbaby Tue 27-Nov-12 00:30:23

Hello new thread.

I'm hungry despite having fish n chips earlier. N we have no chocolate to eat sad. Y am I still eating like a pregnant woman little piggie!

thank you for the welcomessmile

ds is called luke. Feeding went better today, as there was less of it - my milk has finally come in, on day 5. HV visited today, she is lovely and seems to know a thing or two about bf, for which I'm thankful. Had a terrible time with DS1 and bfing, mainly due to pressure from HV, she was obsessed with charts and weighing. Have done a lot of reading in preparation for DS2 so hoping it goes better. Told HV today that my milk was only coming in and she suggested she would come back on weds to weigh him, so happy with thatsmile

GTbaby Tue 27-Nov-12 01:11:04

freddie obsession with charts n weight seems to b a common point on this thread.
But it's good to know that u r doing well this time with bf. I hope can't believe I'm already thinking about this with nxt dc ill b better prepared n more successful. blush lol

Chunkychicken Tue 27-Nov-12 01:24:32

A is so noisy breathing & seems to get choked up & cough more after a feed. Bit worried, but there's nothing specific iyswim to tell me its not just 1am anxiety/tiredness/Mummy worry. He isn't seem to struggle to breathe or looking blue or any of those major signs... Just don't like it that he's poorly.

TheDetective Tue 27-Nov-12 01:27:11

My arse is raw sad The only relief I get is stood up!!

Please god let the midwife be able to come early in the morning. I can feel myself considering sterilising some scissors at this rate blush.

I hope it is the stitch causing the problem. If it isn't, i'll cry!!!!

Catbag Tue 27-Nov-12 02:06:51

Marking place...

GTbaby Tue 27-Nov-12 02:25:22

Ok I'm vain. My son has turned in ear lops. From where he was squished in my tummy. One side is worse. N I always try n make sure it's flat when he is asleep or with hat on. But if he accidentally sleeps with it folded in it gets worse again. So I've taped his lope down. blush. I'm not having him teased all his life for having weird ears. He already has spok ears (slightly pointed at top) and I can't do anything about that. Oh man my LO has freak ears. sad lol.
Just put the tape on n he is still sleeping. So I'm going to convince myself it's ok. It's microporous tape. Hope it's ok to use?!?

daisychain76 Tue 27-Nov-12 02:25:47

Ouch detective hope mw does come early. H is super grouchy tonight ~ dh has taken to trying to reason with him, along the lines of <said calmly and quietly but with a hint of desperation>‘come along now. You‘ve been fed and changed. You don‘t need to cry now, there‘s no point‘. It isn‘t working smile. Hate it when there‘s so much of the night still left.
Ps Welcome mammalion and congrats pikz that sounds a very full on birth story.

GTbaby Tue 27-Nov-12 02:29:07

Other day det I squated down to check on LO who was on floor on playmat. Omg it hurt down there! N that was 5 weeks on. Not really done much walking or house work, wonder if that would help/hinder the healing down there.

daisychain76 Tue 27-Nov-12 02:37:22

Gt his ears sound cute. Don‘t know if its medically correct but personaally l‘d. stick to the line housework will hinder healing smile

l still remind dh l‘m recovering from a major operation and h was 9 weeks yesterday.

Sophiathesnowfairy Tue 27-Nov-12 02:56:16

gt dd1 had a folded over ear, she is 8 now and is normal. I did all the stuff with the at too but I never resorted to ape. grin

Sophiathesnowfairy Tue 27-Nov-12 02:57:24

HAT and TAPE, bloody illiterate iPad hmm

MadamGazelleIsMyMum Tue 27-Nov-12 03:11:36

First feed of the night for us but DS fed a lot between 6pm and 10pm and had very bad wind. Resorted to infacol. He isn't all red and angry after this feed, so hoping it has done the trick. Horrible to see him so obviously distressed.

Welcome Freddie and Pikz.detective hope you get things sorted and more comfortable soon.

priscilla101 Tue 27-Nov-12 03:35:03

Hi all....night feeding here too. Babypriscilla loves to feed, but I think is suffering from reflux, so doesn't settle easily afterwards.

Morning all! Was really hoping I'd have graduated here yesterday, but no...been having contractions for 28 hours now, but they're not getting close enough together to head to the hospital yet. I really want to meet my baby!

Sophiathesnowfairy Tue 27-Nov-12 03:46:20

Bloody muslins are bloody useless, and sick of sleeping in sick, changing everyone's pjamas in the middle of the night and having an over flowing washing basket. Feeling a bit crap.

Because of Os cold when we feed at night, He coughs afterwards bringing an oz or so back up. I am down a pillow tonight, have towel over part of wherei sleep have changed us both twice and now he won't settle.

kissyfur Tue 27-Nov-12 04:08:49

Marking my place, having trouble keeping up with you chatter boxes! Hope everyone is well and welcome to the newbies and any new graduates!
Just fed DD, anyone else suffer from really painful letdown on one side? My right boob is so much more painful than the left!! Ouch!

NervousAt20 Tue 27-Nov-12 04:12:08

Marking place

Welcome newbies and congratulations and welcome to the graduates, hope your all doing well

detective it is amazing how great these LO make you feel and the instant love you feel. Yeh it was a randum attack and they haven't caught anyone for it angry I just think we're so lucky that it wasn't something more fatal that happened to him

We're on second feed of the night here

DP is home and he can't do anything for himself bless

rowingdowntheriver Tue 27-Nov-12 04:30:03

Marking my place!

Congratulations and welcome to all the newbies and graduates. Right, back to bed for me now (hopefully)!

TheDetective Tue 27-Nov-12 04:31:02

We haven't managed sleep yet. Arghhhhhh!!!!

I want some sleep!!!!

Chunkychicken Tue 27-Nov-12 04:31:35

Sophia we too are in a world of sick, although A isn't sick EVERY time, when he is, he seems to bring up all his milk. He almost drowned in it earlier, covering our duvet & getting it on the floor!! angry

mammalion Tue 27-Nov-12 04:43:41

Thanks for the welcomes smile. Night feed just done followed by a nappy changed where he did a wee all over everything. Had to start again. Waiting for him to settle now. Poor thing seems to have caught a cold from his older brother too so taking a while.

Chunkychicken Tue 27-Nov-12 05:25:57

mammalion been there, done that!! 4am seems to be poo-o-clock round here... only 3 nappies in a row today though.

Sophiathesnowfairy Tue 27-Nov-12 06:51:00

Welcome to all the newbies. I think you will like it here.

A moment to write a proper post. Sorry about last night I had one of those "everything is too much moments". The fact I have managed to get up, showered and dressed before everyone makes me feel better. We had actually had a better night last night than the last few so I shouldn't co plain really. The boys went to bed with a story at 18:45, I went to bed after a bath at 19:45 I woke Little O at 21:45 for a feed at settled him back down just after 11 and sick incident number one for the evening. He woke me at 02:45 for a feed and sick incident number two, I managed to get him settled back down for 04:20 ish.

People from church were supposed to start making our dinners yesterday when DH went back to work but the lady last night forgot! I felt weepy about that as well. Luckily DH had decided to work from home and so whipped something up while I put the boys to bed and then I could get a bath. I think I have just hit a bit of a tiredness wall.

More later DH back to work DS in nursery tie to start getting into a routine I think.


GTbaby Tue 27-Nov-12 07:01:25

Daisy not cute! Ill put a pic in FB later lol. soph glad about ur dd! Means my LO has a chance his ears wil get normalish

Nxt one- head shape. blush. Lots of ppl r telling me that if LO sleeps on one side of his head it will be in even, or creat a misshaped head.

Now I think this is true as my cousins LO had this prob, but he wouldn't sleep in any other position, n it was visible that one side of his head was flat. n at 6months they got this special hat thing he had to keep on ALL the time to fix it. But just wondering if this is a cultural thing or is everyone aware of this?

Right try for another 2 hours sleep. grin

NervousAt20 Tue 27-Nov-12 07:27:06

Aw sophia nights can be so rough can't they, could you try and out your feet up today and have a snooze?

GT never heard anything about flat heads hit my LO sleeps wig we head facing the side so interested to hear what other people say/think

Just doing feed 3 and LO puked on herself so all changes and feeding again

PetiteRaleuse Tue 27-Nov-12 07:31:21

Wow I just had my first experience of projectile vomiting. (well, LO did) Am rather impressed. But hope it was a one off. DD2 was up once during the night again. DD1 also woke up screaming at one point. Not sure what that was about but she took longer to settle than her little sister, which must mean it was a really bad dream or whatever it was was really hurting. Strange, as she was fine this morning.

Dixiebell Tue 27-Nov-12 07:51:59

Flat head thing is true. Seen some babies with really misshapen heads. DS had it a bit, doc commented on it at about 8 weeks and we hadn't really noticed. She recommended making sure he faced different directions in his Moses basket at night as he'd be likely to turn his head towards light/noise from us. You can get special pillows, we got one to use on bouncer but not in Moses. My step sis used a doughnut shaped one but her LO got a funny round lump shape on back of head instead! Anyway, DS now 2.2 and you can't see any unevenness at all. But with ds2 (due today!) I will make sure we turn him in Moses.

sigh J has a constant stream of green/brown liquid flowing out of him, it smells vile.
He's usually an explosive yellow pooper.
Does he have a bug or have I eaten something that doesn't agree with him.
At which point do I have to see a GP or be concerned?

TheDetective Tue 27-Nov-12 08:34:22

Sleep is for wimps yeah?


Last night was good, only two feeds between half 9 and 7 but from 5am she was grunting soooo loud and it went on for ages so not sure I got much sleep from that point. It's as if she's got wind but nothing ever comes out confused

kirrin how are you finding it with two? I'm exhausted all the time, I knew it'd be hard but it's literally 24/7 I can never sit down (except when cbeebies is on!) also did you have the hearing test done at the hospital or have you got to go somewhere else for it?
I've got to go to Canterbury hosp but its a trek from mine with two little ones!

I've got Q's hearing test this morning, such a pain in the arse. I've got to leave at 9am to get there for 10, luckily we're all dressed but she's decided to have a nice deep sleep for once so annoying I've got to drag her out!
I keep thinking about just not going but they'll prob pester me for the rest of my life about it.

Passmethecrisps Tue 27-Nov-12 08:48:17

Defo for wimps. Remember ladies, we are NAILS!

I am shattered this morning. P was 14 days old yesterday and she celebrated by eating phenomenal amounts then gringing and crying for hours. DH slept through both night feeds despite me trying to wake him for one. He was still asleep and was all "but you're awake anyway". This is true but I was totally done in and cheesed off anyway. He has a vague recollection of it this morning and is mortified - other nights he has lept out of bed. He did take her at 7 this morning and gave me an extra hour.

Anyway, P is now asleep in her carrycot. Her naps seem to have shrunk to 1.5 to 2 hours. This from 3 to 4 hours is hard to get used to. Is it likely to be temporary? Could she be having a wee growth spurt?

I have a cold sore. I was infected with the virus as a baby by a lady with a big seeping sore giving me a sloppy kiss - my mum remembers it vividly. I MUST be careful not to give P any kisses.

priscilla101 Tue 27-Nov-12 08:48:37

Sleep....meh, so over rated!

Passmethecrisps Tue 27-Nov-12 08:52:02

tits call me precious but I would call the doc this morning. I sounds horrid for you both and if it is coming out of him constantly he will be at risk of getting dehydrated I would have thought.

TheDetective Tue 27-Nov-12 08:55:10

Am I being unreasonable to ask DP not to carry the baby up and downstairs in the Moses basket? Especially down the stairs?

He is a naturally clumsy person. So am I. But he is far worse. He has just snapped at me because I asked him not to do it. He is half asleep, very clumsy, and he is carrying the most precious thing in the world to me down the stairs. I want my baby to be safe! But
I'm unreasonable apparently.

Passmethecrisps Tue 27-Nov-12 09:10:16

You and me both detective. DH carries her up the stairs but I ask him to put his arm under to support her weight. You are not supposed to carry them anywhere in the baskets - they are not really very strong.

My DH thankfully finds my uber protectiveness quite amusing. He made up the formula bottles and got me to check the water levels because he could see I was anxious about it. You carry this wee thing inside you for 9 months and protect it with your body - of course it is going to be difficult getting used to them being vulnerable in open.

Chunkychicken Tue 27-Nov-12 09:25:07

Tried to post already but A sicked on my phone & now its being weird sad angry

Peaky1 Tue 27-Nov-12 09:40:22

Chunky I'm with you on the wheezing, grunting and coughing during feeds. I think it's just because he's frantically guzzling but I'm going to ask my HV about it tomorrow.

I'm in the middle of a feed now but once he's down again i'll free my hands up to post about plagiocephaly (flat heads).

StuntNun Tue 27-Nov-12 09:48:27

Pass I get cold sores too (probably caught them from my mum) so I only kiss the boys on their cheeks and foreheads and tummies but DH has to take his chances!

Passmethecrisps Tue 27-Nov-12 10:08:25

Yep stunt I usually kiss P on the top of the head anyway

Dixiebell Tue 27-Nov-12 10:16:09

Also on flat heads - that's why tummy time as much as poss is important. Having said that DS always hated being on his tummy. And never learned to crawl, went straight to walking instead!

Passmethecrisps Tue 27-Nov-12 10:39:22

Holy shit! Quite literally! Was feeding miss P and thought I would check her nappy. Wee lump of poo so I thought I would change her. Well, that caused a nappy free poosplosion! She pooed for ages - all over her, me, changing mat etc. then postie rang and she weed everywhere. In good news she seems happier. Bad news is I am sitting here surrounded by shit! Can't clean it up until she is snoozing really. Hope the social don't pop round

Passmethecrisps Tue 27-Nov-12 10:40:00

Hmm, my fingers actually seem stained - I have scrubbed them

Peaky1 Tue 27-Nov-12 10:56:15

Argh, did an epic post on plagiocephaly and then mumsnet logged me out and I lost the post! Fuming!

Right then, start again.

Plagiocephaly is a lot more common nowadays since Mums were advised to have babies sleep on their backs. When we were babies most of us were allowed to sleep on our tummies and spent the days on our backs to play. Now babies are on their backs to sleep and backs to play during the day. All of this and the effect of gravity on their soft skulls takes it's toll and head shapes start to change.

Things like car seats are also culprits as some babies are carried in them, go into the car, then it's a pram, then it's back to being carried in it, then if baby is sleeping when they get home then some tend to stay in it to not be disturbed. Some babies could have spent hours in the same position in the seat (just an example of what I've seen and treated, not an accusation!!!) Car seats are ace but just be wary of how long they spend in it on a regular basis.

To treat it/prevent it try to vary the position that baby is in throughout the day so they are not on their backs for long periods e.g. over an hour. Change their position in the room in the bouncer so they have to turn different ways to follow the source of vision/sound. Tummy time when supervised and awake for however long they can manage (even if it's just 30 seconds, every little helps!) All you are doing is preventing pressure on one part of the skull for long periods and building the strength in their head control so that soon they'll be able to move themselves out of position.

Tummy time doesn't have to be flat on floor. Can be on your chest, over cushions, rolled up towel/blanket under chest and arms etc.

Great Ormond Street do a good leaflet that I give out to my patient's parents:


The leaflet link is on the right side of the page.

There is no convincing evidence so far that helmets are any better than the above advice. The only positive research results have come from the rather biassed companies that make the helmets. The NHS don't fund them (due to lack of evidence), they cost around £2000 per helmet, have to be worn 23 hours a day and you would have to buy more as your child and their skull grows. I would never recommend a parent breaks the bank for a treatment that is overpriced and not even proven to work better than simple methods! It's a shame that private practitioners seem to recommend them.

Phew! Hopefully this'll post now...

Peaky1 Tue 27-Nov-12 10:59:18

Oh, and they must continue to sleep on their backs due to the risk of SIDS! Don't put rollled up towels or cushions etc around head when they go to sleep due to the risk of baby turning head and face-planting into it and risking suffocating.

pikz Tue 27-Nov-12 11:58:01

I love this thread...though laughing at some it hurts my scar. I'm so glad I'm not alone in this.

Have finally managed to get baby to sleep not on me or mum or DP. I feel like its a momentus breakthrough.

PetiteRaleuse Tue 27-Nov-12 12:14:07

My abs are still hurting and not being helpedby the fact my cold has turned into a cough. Ow.

Watched someone give birth to triplets last night on French OBEM. I think that would be my worst nightmare. Am far too disorganised for triplets. Or even twins.

DebussyHead Tue 27-Nov-12 12:19:35

Wow new thread already! DS is 15 days already. I'm shattered as he is so awake at night times and won't sleep in his crib so we are co sleeping.

Nice to see lots of new joiners to the thread smile. Am totally behind so off to catch up on last few days of chat. smile

I've just got home have been out since 9am. Ds fell asleep on the way home so thought great he'll be happier this afternoon. Dd needed feeding so got home and quickly ran in with the shopping and thought ill feed dd in the car when I get back to let ds sleep. No chance they were both crying when I got back, dd must have woke ds up. He wouldn't go back so he's had 10mins max grr!

In good news Q's hearing is perfect and her heel prick results came today and everything is normal smile

Bryzoan Tue 27-Nov-12 12:35:05

Owwwww these afterpains are killing me!

Pikz - just read your story. Sounds rotten and scary. Glad you had good support from dp and a good outcome in the end.
You have my sympathy on the expressing. I had to do that with dd - it took us 3 months to establish bf for various reasons, despite loads of great support. It was exhausting trying to establish bf, express, and deal with all the sterilising etc. If you don't already have one to use I would really recommend hiring a hospital grade pump. I'm sure I couldn't have done it without that. Also, the best advice I had was that as long as the baby is fed, and you keep the milk supply going and offer bf when you can, you will get there in the end. Really good luck.

ValiumQueen Tue 27-Nov-12 12:45:31

Off to baby clinic with DD2. She is coughing constantly. Low grade temp, but beginning to wheeze and is very clingy. Just been feeding J, DD throws up, I catch it in my hand (first bit anyway) then I'm thinking what the bleep do I do now? I also have a dreadful cough. J is getting quite used to being put down mid feed. He waits patiently mostly.

Nights are still bad. Last night I wanted to try a dummy as he is sucking for comfort a lot. DH said no, he did not want a kid sucking a dummy. I burst into tears I was so angry. This morning he insists we try a dummy as DS searching for my boob kept him awake. FFS!

<<off to google sleep>>

TheDetective Tue 27-Nov-12 13:00:08

I've had 90 minutes sleep this morning. Zzzzzzzzzzzzz...!!

We have finally named him! Oscar Zachary!

My epis is humongous apparently, midwife was shocked at state of it this morning, the stitching leaves a lot to be desired she said. There isn't anything I can do. She took out the stitch that i thought was giving the problem, but that hasn't really helped. She though it was an inside one and tried to get it out, but couldn't get to it, plus it is one continuous stitch so the whole thing could fall apart! She thinks there is a haematoma there, and I'm inclined to suspect she is right! sad Oh, and it is possibly infected. My fanjo is fucked basically!

Good job Oscar is so damn cute grin.

Sophia and chunky - have you looked into acid reflux if they are getting sick all the time?DS1 had this and I gave him gaviscon on the advice of GP and it made a world of differernce. It's a pain if you are bfing though. GP can also prescribe meds for it.

DS stayed awake from 11 til 4.30 last night, and fed for most of it. My nipples are in tatters. Bonus is that he then slept from 4.30 til 9 which is good going for a 5 day old...anyway off to get some nipple shields and try them for a few days because I am getting to the point where I'm dreading feeding him. Has anyone any experience of them?

horseylady Tue 27-Nov-12 13:05:23

Vq the dummy has helped us loads. I cried when dh first tried it but it's in ATM as I've just eaten lunch, he's not hungry but crying in any position and he's happy sat on my knee!! Watching me.

Went to the clinic this morning to get him weighed. He screamed the place down!! Putting on weight well, now 9lb 10 so 10oz in two weeks. Which I'm happy with. They reassured me about feeding too. Thought I was doing it correctly.

Then went to a baby group and there was a photographer there so we had some photos taken. He then decided to scream again lol!! Think he wanted people to know he was there and have more cuddles!! Have decided he's the loudest baby in the world!!

Pass -ds suddenly was awake more, he still has sleepy days but is mostly awake and naps for 30mins or so. He tends to have one longer nap each day (90 mins to 2 hours) which coincided with me making an arse of myself in sainsburies and outside boots!!

Thanks for the info with the flat heads. Will we see odd shaped heads in the future then?!

TheDetective Tue 27-Nov-12 13:18:28

I'm considering a dummy after being not so keen on the idea. Oscar has been comfort feeding a lot the last 2 days. Going to persevere a little longer yet especially as me and DP are here so it doesn't matter that he feeds and feeds and feeds! If it doesn't settle down a bit though I will use one.

TheDetective Tue 27-Nov-12 13:19:29

I'm going to invest in a rubber ring today grin. Please let it make life more comfortable!

Waiting for painkillers to kick in, and then going to wash and dry my hair for the first time in 5 days...!!!

ShellyBobbs Tue 27-Nov-12 13:24:19

Valium I descended into dummy territory last night after hours of nipple sucking. I ended up on the settee at about 1.30am and was still sat there when hubby came down at 6.45!

Tommy was weighed today and he's put 10lbs on in 6 days, I'm really not surprised!

I was picking up DD2 and DS1 from school yesterday, DD was stood at the door and the teacher said to Erin, 'I can't see your mummy anywhere'. Erin told her, 'she's over there, in the middle of all those people'. I was surrounded by mums fawning over Tommy smile

I gave him some infacol last night, you'd have thought I'd cut his tongue off with the screaming and crying he did!

Triplets shock no thank you!

ValiumQueen Tue 27-Nov-12 13:27:13

detective deffo Oscar. Suits him. Surely he is just stimulating your supply at this age?

Thank you for feedback re dummy. Doh says he doesn't want a 4yo running around with a dummy in his mouth I said I would prefer that to a 6yo who still sucks her fingers. DD1 overheard. Oops.

ShellyBobbs Tue 27-Nov-12 13:28:15

It took me that long to write my post, about 3/4 hour, so sorry for all the x-posts!

ValiumQueen Tue 27-Nov-12 13:28:27

shelly 10 oz I am guessing grin

ShellyBobbs Tue 27-Nov-12 13:30:21

Hahaha yes, 10oz. Might muck up their charts if it WAS lbs grin

PetiteRaleuse Tue 27-Nov-12 13:33:10

Those of you whose LOs had colds at the end of last week, are they getting better? My LO seems fine now. Hard to believe a week ago she was in hospital on oxygen.

DH got DD1 a doll to play with so that she would have her own baby too. Should I be worried that she keeps holding it upside down by its feet, and putting it in LO's bouncer chair head and belly down? grin

PetiteRaleuse Tue 27-Nov-12 13:35:12

I sucked my thumb til after my adult teeth came in and now have slightly stock out teeth which I was very self conscious about for a long time. Wouldn't have happened if I had had a dummy that I could have been weaned from and a decent dentist during my teens

TheDetective Tue 27-Nov-12 13:41:52

He has done a grand job with my supply! I could feed 5000 babies! But he is quite settled comes off the boob, good signs that he has fed well. You put him down, and boom, he has to go back on. Sucks for 2-5 minutes, then back to sleep. Put him back down. Same again. I've been stuck in this cycle since 11am today! I've finally just got him to go in the moses basket. But it involves keeping hold of him for at least 20-30 minutes after his last feed!

I'm persevering for now, but I can tell when he is comfort sucking and when he wants a proper feed!

ShellyBobbs Tue 27-Nov-12 13:48:48

Tommy has been the same for 16 days Detective, that's why I broke and gave him a dummy last night grin

Elizadoesdolittle Tue 27-Nov-12 13:50:38

Marking place, just about to head out for rest of day so will catch up on thread later this evening.

Welcome and congratulations to new additions to the thread.

StuntNun Tue 27-Nov-12 13:57:07

Bryzoan those afterpains will shrink your tummy down nicely.

Freddie nipple shields are really easy to use, a bit of a faff sterilising them but baby doesn't need to latch on, they just have to suck. If you get a choice of shape I found the rectangular ones easier than the circular ones since they don't leak as easily and you can hold them on with two fingers while you feed.

VQ if your baby needs to suck then they will enjoy having a dummy. Some babies just need to suck all the time so don't feel bad. Better a dummy than a thumb or fingers.

detective lovely name, Oscar is my nephews name smile

Dd has basically slept all day really hope that doesn't mean she'll make up for it at night because she's hungry!

horseylady Tue 27-Nov-12 14:29:20

Quick question for those bottle feeding - when and why do you move up teats? Currently using a size one what indicates him being ready for a size two?!

SwissArmyWife Tue 27-Nov-12 14:41:02

Just thought I'd say hello as I can finally post here!
Ozzy James born on the 23rd at 6:26am, 8lb 4oz! The day I was meant to be induced, 42 weeks. Glad he came spontaneously! He is an absolute angel and letting me get 6 - 8 hours sleep a night. Which compared to DD is an absolute miracle! Haven't put birth story up yet.
Have now developed a uterus infection so not feeling fantastic but feeling a lot better than I did when pg!

Hope everyone else and their lo's are doing well!

PetiteRaleuse Tue 27-Nov-12 14:43:11

Horsey with DD1 I changed teats when it looked like she was having to make more of an effort to drink - obvious impatience.

You can try a new teat and will quickly see if the flow is too fast. They'll dribble and spit up.

SwissArmyWife Tue 27-Nov-12 14:44:03

Oh and we are using dummies - never did with DD but Ozzy benefits from them - they are so worth it for the three hour naps in his basket! He's feeding amazingly aswell so I'm comfortable giving him a dummy. If it works, do it I say.

Passmethecrisps Tue 27-Nov-12 14:44:38

<waves at swiss>

horsey one of the community midwives suggested moving up last week. We tried it for two feeds and she vommed hugely. She just wasn't ready. I would leave it until about 2 months

YellowWellies Tue 27-Nov-12 14:47:13

Just checking in - we're mid growth spurt and I am living on mars bars... however i'm about to have a hot cuppa!!!

horseylady Tue 27-Nov-12 14:55:01

Pass thank you!! He seems ok on these teats I was wondering if there was an obvious sign he needed to move but working hard makes sense.

I still feel I know nothing about bottle feeding yet have been doing it for the last four weeks!!!

Quick question for all you graduates. I'm having regular contractions, though not close enough to head to hospital yet. Should I be worried that my left ankle has swollen up? I've not had swollen ankles at all while being pregnant, but this one is pretty mahoosive!

Chunkychicken Tue 27-Nov-12 15:04:00

Call the MW/ward to get it checked misslaughalot just in case.

Hope to see you here with bubba soon MM!

In bad news, I've got piles...and they itch sad

Oops I meant misslaughalot!

Chunkychicken Tue 27-Nov-12 15:25:10

Finally getting referred for A's tongue tie to be snipped. Bfing will be SO much easier after... I will also be able to tell if he's comfort sucking a bit more as I tend to feed him as soon as he cries, because its such hard work for him.

Can't remember who said about reflux. Fairly sure its to do with the cold, as he barely vomited before. He used to do massive 'big boy' burps though!!

thanks valium. Just back from mothercare and am feeding with one on. Oh my god, The RELIEF!!!

Feel happy about feeding now, just hoping they dont mess up my supply...

Congrats swiss, fantastic namesmile

oh good chunky, hope its not reflux. Probably just all mucusy from his cold.

Despo, piles are awful... Get some prep h from the pharmacy and while youre there,ask for latex fingerlets, you can fill them with water and freeze them, then put on the um... Affected area. Relieves the itchin and pain. Im a bit of an expert when it comes to piles, unfortunatley!

Ooh thanks freddie ill do that tomo I think!

Sophiathesnowfairy Tue 27-Nov-12 16:38:03

freddiei hadn't thought it would be reflux, mainly because it happens when he has a little coughing bout after a feed at night when he has been sleeping and the mucus has dripped onto his throat from lying down IYSWIM. Lots of phlegm is coming up as well. However if it continues I will check for that.

The DR has checked his chest and it's clear he has no temp and he has wet nappies so I am just keeping a watchful eye on him incase anything changes.

daisychain76 Tue 27-Nov-12 16:44:28

Misslaughalot just to echo what chunky said, do get it checked out. For me it was my only. symptom of something needing attention, although of course in the vast majority of cases it is just one of those random pregnancy niggles.

PetiteRaleuse Tue 27-Nov-12 17:14:09

My LO was vomming and spitting up ths morning. Then I realised I had forgotten to squirt her nose. Once she got her gunk out of the she has not spat up again. <bad mummy>

ValiumQueen Tue 27-Nov-12 17:40:21

I am an even worse mummy then as we have no drops and I have not taken him to the dr. It is just snuffles. With two big sisters he needs to get used to being snotty.

TheDetective Tue 27-Nov-12 17:47:32

I am currently sat on a bench in morrisons breastfeeding Oscar and mning at the same time! Check me out haha!

DP is doing the shopping grin.

I thought the achievement of the day was washing AND drying my hair!!

Evilwater Tue 27-Nov-12 18:08:42

Sorry to hear about all the colds.
Well where to start......
Monday- his aunt came down from London and he was in scream mode all day. sad he fussed and generaly a bad day.we went for his jabs and the nurse refused to give them to him, as he is too young. hmm he is 8 weeks on Friday and they booked his appointment on Monday. So a trip wasted, just great. envy I asked if a few days makes a difference, but she wouldn't do it. angry so appointment for next Monday. Also found out my car is STILL not right. angry

Last night...... Cried and screamed. Not good, I was almost in tears. Turned out to be trapped wind. sad

Found out my mum has a hole in her roof, and won't be assessed until the 4/12. They said a leaking roof is not an emergancy. Not sure what they expect her to do inbetween, also her cat is very ill, it's eating coal, and acting very strange. So more expense, when she might not have a job in April.
Baby evil fussy almost of the morning, and has drunk loads of milk. I'm so glad he is mostly on formula, there is no way my breasts could keep up. Plus I went to Adsa and he was hungry then, so glad I'm not breast feeding. I feel a little disappointed but its not practical. I'm always out and to be fair, he has had the important bit anyway. At least he is asleep now.

Tomorrow..... Some sleep, LO needs to be weighed, need to get meat. If time allows see if a friend she is free. I need to get out more as I feel trapped, being at home this much.

Sorry for the long post, I'm going to read back, if LO is still sleeping. Need food too.

Passmethecrisps Tue 27-Nov-12 18:11:58

You are the queen on multi-tasking!

How are other people managing visitors? Obviously people want to meet P but I am finding people quite tough to manage. When I was still trying to pump and BF I found it impossible with people here. My PIL scarpered when I said I would take her upstairs to latch on the bring her back down covered and discrete. How can you establish feeding when people want to sit for hours but get embarrassed when you need to feed?

Today we had guests - they were only here an hour but the arrived just at the end of a feed which meant that P got distracted and wouldn't finish. She then gets passed from person to person. They were saying 'oh, I think she's hungry' but wouldn't pass her back.

Then people want to feed her when they realise we have bottles. I have to stop myself grabbing her an saying 'you're doing in all wrong!' It was worse when I was expressing - I watched a lovely friend dribble hue amounts of my previous breast milk all over P's outfit having refused the muslin saying she didn't care about her own clothes. Then let her fall asleep this wasting the rest of the milk.

I need to woman up. She is my baby - I don't know why I feel I have to pass her about like a wee present.

Today our guests said 'well you'll be in a routine by now though?' She is two weeks old! She is in her own routine and we adapt around it. I think people seem a bit surprised that we can't schedule their visit.

Hmm. Well, that was a rant! I am sorry about that. I hadn't even realised I was so peeved about it. I particularly feel for those breastfeeding - how do you cope? Are you all just tougher than me?

PetiteRaleuse Tue 27-Nov-12 18:21:06

Valium I'm all for snuffles and colds etc, but with last week's scare I'm following the Dr's orders to the letter until she is well over this one. Except when I forget, like this morning smile

Passwe had two sets of week long visitors at the beginning (the grandparents) but since that we haven't had any, apart from one couple of very non intrusive friends. Bt that's because we are pretty much hermits and don't know anyone other than work people. It must be hard to set down boundaries with visitors, and not bite their heads off when they say something stupid.

We haven't had any visitors yet... Except fit MIL and SIL who stayed for 2 hours on Saturday. We took L to church at 2 days old, so most people we know saw her then. This weekend my parents are coming over from Belgium and staying till Monday! I hope that will work out... And my brother and boyfriend arrive on Tuesday until Thursday so next week will be busy!
Had last visit from midwife today, L has exceeded her birth weight at 11 days old smile Thursday the health visitor will come and do the hearing test.

Evilwater Tue 27-Nov-12 18:25:26

Pass- if someone wants to see LO I go to them. This way I'm in control, and can make excuses when it's too much. (His aunt is the exception to the rule, London is over 200 miles away)

Dummies- brilliant, saved my sanity! LO loves to suck them, plus he gets to work on is sucking reflex as its poor.


Chunkychicken Tue 27-Nov-12 18:26:19

I just get my boob out pass & to hell with anyone that has an issue. My house, my baby, my boob, my rules grin

DH's (& my) mobile phone insurance are claiming that we didn't do all that was 'reasonable' to protect it so won't replace it.angry Needless to say, he's appealing it. Seriously though, whilst we appreciate it was daft leaving the windows unlocked, we didn't do it deliberately & they're rear windows, in our back garden, & people broke in in the middle of the night!!! What else should we do??!!!

priscilla101 Tue 27-Nov-12 19:03:33

We are still on visitor lockdown! Although babypriscilla has feeding pretty well nailed, establishing feeding is my excuse. Most people get it and are waiting for an invite. Someone suggested an open afternoon....get them all done in one manic chunk, but I can't face that!

ValiumQueen Tue 27-Nov-12 19:08:49

If baby needs feeding, I whip boob out whoever is there. I was not so confident with my first though. The only one to object to my face is MIL so I told her she was welcome to go out while I was feeding. She was staying for two weeks so I was not gonna spend two weeks in my room being discrete. I have fed in Ikea, church, car, shops, parks. I will never feel I have to feed in a toilet.

It takes a while to be confident to tell people what to do with your baby, like you say pass. You are just getting used to the idea yourself. Perhaps talk it over with DH and ask him to be in control of such things.

So dummies - what do you do with them? Just give them at night time, or whenever they finish a feed? Do you take them out once asleep? Do you sterilise them or just give them a quick lick? Ok, not a lick, but a rinse under the tap? My other two never took a dummy, so not feeling hopeful.

ValiumQueen Tue 27-Nov-12 19:11:24

My MIL was in hospital overnight. She thought she was having another heart attack, but not so. She wants to visit next weekend. Not sure I want that responsibility tbh. That probably sounds really mean but she is hard work at the best of times.

Chunkychicken Tue 27-Nov-12 19:17:17

VQ Dummies; sterilise them until baby starts solids I think, then make sure they're washed really well. Only gave DD it when she was just comfort sucking or still demanding boob after a long feed. If she actually wanted milk, it would be spat out. Now she's only allowed it for naps & at night. If they drop it, unless they're crying, don't replace it, otherwise you'll end up doing that forever, but I wouldn't bother taking it out though.

horseylady Tue 27-Nov-12 19:18:24

Vq I give ds his when he cries. Not everytime but in a morning he cries after his breakfast. He's clean, being cuddled etc but he's just crying. I think it's because he wants to suck. A good way to check is offering him more food and he chews the bottle rather than sucks. It's similar at night. I always remove it if he's asleep or dropping off. He has it when going to bed too. I sterilise it first thing in the morning with the bottles and in the evening with the bottles again.

You can shove it in boiling water for 5mins to sterilise it too. I guess I'm saying I use it when all other calming methods have been ruled out. I guess that's why it's called a pacifier in the USA!!!

Evilwater Tue 27-Nov-12 19:56:22

those suffering with colic - found some good info, and videos about winding and helping with colic. Go to the infacol website, and to videos.

Can't wait to try some of the massages mentioned. grin

Thanks for the advice everyone. Rang the labour ward and a doctor answered who advised me to get to an out of hours doctor or A&E. got to our walk in centre where they said they couldn't do anything, so headed to A&E who ended up sending me up to the labour ward! Anyway bp was measured and is fine, baby is happy and I'm 2cm dilated after almost 48 hrs of contractions.

I WILL graduate to this thread, just not very soon it seems!

Thanks again for the advice lovely ladies!

Passmethecrisps Tue 27-Nov-12 21:43:05


Preparing for another night of growth spurt unsettledness. Wee P does a weird thing though where she acts frantic hungry the. Refuses the bottle when it is offered. If you do get an open mouth she grimaces and gags. Any ideas?

GTbaby Tue 27-Nov-12 22:08:09

Sorting LO clothes. Putting new born away sad

PetiteRaleuse Tue 27-Nov-12 22:15:57

Late night feedathon going on here again. Hope everyone gets ok nights with lots of sleep.

PetiteRaleuse Tue 27-Nov-12 22:24:20

GT i've been putting the newborn clothes away too sad

TheDetective Tue 27-Nov-12 22:25:02

So far every visitor that has been has been witness to my tits wapped out with no notice or ceremony grin. I give not one teeny weeny little shit grin.

This evening we have had MIL and 5 year old nephew for tea. Oscar started crying just as tea was served. Everyone just looked at me, as if to say, what you gonna do now? I just sat at the table, got the boob out, put him straight on, and ate my tea grin.

He's lay in my arms now, just been fed again, and I'm waiting for him to be in a deep enough sleep to be put in the moses basket. If I put him straight down after a feed he wakes up again and comfort feeds. Takes about 30 mins for me to be able to put him down with out him waking.

Have expressed 100mls tonight. My right boob went massive, hard, lumpy and I was like oh shit... got the pump on, and now its back to normal. I did try and get him to feed first, but he wasn't interested for the first time ever. Plus he'd fed on that side about 2 hours previous! Suspect he hadn't completely finished the breast!

Lavender bath is ready and waiting for me when Oscar lets me go! Damn I love the little critter grin.

Alamaya Tue 27-Nov-12 22:31:02

well my boy is 4 weeks old on sunday and what a nightmare we have had. Born at 6lb 13oz. Weighed at 5 days was 6lb 6oz not too worrying. At 12 days HV weighed him at 5lb 13oz. I also mentioned he had been having weird twitches and it was freaking me out. At that point we were sent to hospital for food monitoring as twitches were not concerning HV but because of the unplanned homebirth and him never checked over by doc thought we better. Well when we got there i showed a vid of these twitches to consultant who tells me they are seizures!. We then spend the next 5 days having food monitoring, lumbar punctures, blood tests, mri. To find out our little boy has two bleeds on the brain. Both suspected due to traumatic birth. They gave him some anti fitting meds and touch wood this friday will be 2 weeks since they gave this one dose and hes not fitted since. In hospital they weighed him after eventually tube feeding him and it was 6lb 6oz again. Then midwife came out sunday about 5 days after discharge and he was down to 6lb 4oz. We have been given another weigh appointment for tomorrow. Where if hes lost again or not gaining well we are being readmitted. Hes still in tiny baby clothes which drown him. He looks premature sad

horseylady Tue 27-Nov-12 22:46:10

Mmmm detective perhaps you can advise?! I had an episiotomy which was about 6 inches long (from cervix to anus) it's been fine, healed well etc. Until the last 5 days when it's really hurt to poo and I bleed. Quite a lot. Is it the episiotomy or could it be a pile? I also get cramps down there? I now dread going. Was going to start on lactulose to help?!

I'm guessing you'll say go to the dr but it's been quite a nice three weeks not getting my bits out!!

PetiteRaleuse Tue 27-Nov-12 22:49:32

Alamaya how frightening for you. I hope your LO is better soon

TheDetective Tue 27-Nov-12 23:03:59

Was it a 3rd degree tear Horsey?

If it has been fine til now I would try and have a look and see if you can spot a pile? If you can, get some over the counter cream and give that a try plus the lactulose to soften things up. Have you been constipated at all in last week or so? Going regularly for your own normal pattern?

Id say it's less likely to be the cut this far down the line but it isn't impossible. I'd try and rule out the piles first and see if it helps given a day or 2?

Sophiathesnowfairy Tue 27-Nov-12 23:33:42

almaya that all sounds really stressful I hope thinks pick up.

I can not believe, detective you are already whipping them out in Morrisons with a third degree tear going on! I had a third degree tear (episiotomy) after DS 1 it was a few weeks before I stopped struggling to sit down, stand up, anything really. I still felt like I had the label in a long time after.

NEWS FLASH......... 10pm feed in the Fairy house and no sick.

Yet. grin

TheDetective Wed 28-Nov-12 00:10:07

Oh, it isn't a 3rd degree thank fuck just a whopping great big epis - the bastards! Considering he came out very easily with 2 pulls (head and body came with 2nd pull!) and I had asked NOT to have one, and tear instead... it makes me more irritable! The tear comes right down my bum cheek sad

It is sore, sitting, walking, all sore. Makes no sodding difference! The only thing that helps is standing. I can't stay stood up forever!

I've had a lavender bath, not sure it has helped down there, but OMG I just chilled like a cucumber in there! So much so, I've made DP go and have one. It was lovely! I'm not a massive bath person, mainly because it never covers enough flab, but with my gaffa taped plug hole, and lavender oil, it was bliss! And 2 big flannels to cover the boobies grin.

I've now got the maternity pads in the fridge, and the breast pads! I'm going to try the witch hazel thing tomorrow. Got some lavender drops on my pad at the moment.

I'll try anything right now!

Oh, and to add insult to injury, I know I have swollen feet, but seriously, none of my shoes would go anywhere near! I ended up going out in flip flops. It is nearly December, for fucks sake!

In other news, my Dad is in the dog house. Rude bastard. I text him Oscars name, and the reply I got was 'R u serious?'. Fuck you Dad. hmm Evil hormones!

Oh, and DP's aunt has a dog called Oscar, and has commented on my facebook saying how there are 2 Oscar T** now. Without saying it is her dog. So now my colleagues and friends probably think I've called the baby the same name as someone in DP's immediate family... confused.


TheDetective Wed 28-Nov-12 00:14:08

Ooooh, if you want to laugh at my misfortune... My ever so charming DP came perving on me in the shower today. Picture my 4 day old postnatal ravaged body, leaky tits, saggy tum, generally, a destroyed version of me... And do you know what DP said. Oh gosh your roots are really long, you need them doing don't you. hmm.

I didn't know whether to laugh or cry! That is NOT what you say to your hormonal wrecked partner when she has just given you the gift of a child... RAAAAH!

Alamaya Wed 28-Nov-12 00:30:05

lol TheDetective men eh.

Ive only ever had little tears but salt baths were a godsend

StuntNun Wed 28-Nov-12 01:22:46

That sounds like an ordeal Alamaya, how are you holding up emotionally? Once this has resolved will the seizures stop for good? Hopefully now you're home you can get to work in the weight gain, I'm sure you'll make up for the difficult start very quickly.

rowingdowntheriver Wed 28-Nov-12 01:40:31

Reading about everyone's tears / episiotomy a is a real eye-opener for me as, due to CS I didn't go through that. I hadn't realised quite how bad they could be. You all have my sympathies.

Alamaya, what a terrifying ordeal you have been through, I hope your LO is getting better now?

Anyone starting a bedtime routine with LO yet? L is 5 weeks now and no sign of his nighttime feed pattern developing or any improvement I'm his night time sleeping sad.

Last night DH gave him a bottle for his last feed and got him settled by 12 then he awoke for first feed at 4am. Yay. Same thing tonight but woke for first feed at 1.15am. Boo.

Off to sleep now, no doubt I'll be back soon!

Sophiathesnowfairy Wed 28-Nov-12 01:51:10

detrctive I had some special pants ice packs! DH came to bed with me at 7 as he gas a cold so is now being my 2am I pad buddy! We must look crazy!

TheDetective Wed 28-Nov-12 01:57:22

I found the ice stopped helping in the end sad

I'm actually sat here crying in pain. The lavender seems to have made things worse sad I'm sooooooo sore right now. I'm bleeding from the wound and it looks slightly open.

I think today was a bit much for me. Stupid DP pestering me to go out.

Going to attemp sleep now. Came to bed ages ago but of course his majesty wanted a mammoth feeding session!!

katkit1 Wed 28-Nov-12 01:58:18

I agree with rowing - ouch! at the stories of cuts and sore bits. I was emcs so I feel like I've gotten off lightly when I hear these stories.

TheDetective Wed 28-Nov-12 02:02:36

I shouldn't complain though because my section wound had me collapsing in pain. When the staples were removed the wound split open in 3 places and a heamatoma started draining. Took a month to close back up and it was painful agony 24/7. Ex DP had to take unpaid leave to look after me because I was unable to care for myself let alone a baby!

TheDetective Wed 28-Nov-12 02:03:32

I think I'm just unlucky Kitkat!

I can't win either exit grin.

katkit1 Wed 28-Nov-12 02:05:07

Oh god detective that sounds TERRIBLE.

katkit1 Wed 28-Nov-12 02:07:31

It makes me think twice/thrice before complaining slightly about sore nipples when i hear what you ladies are/have gone through

Evilwater Wed 28-Nov-12 02:38:06

dectective I hope things get better soon.

Baby evil is wide awake, but no screaming! Hurray! smile smile
I swear he babbled "play" not that long ago. It wonderful to hear him babble, now he my PFB.

Anyone else fighting family, about what LO is wearing for Xmas??
I've manged to talk my mum out of a elf costume. Not sure what she got, Im guessing a Santa outfit. Oh dear.....


katkit1 Wed 28-Nov-12 02:46:47

we were given a cute red fleecy pj suit with white stars on it which i'm looking forward to putting on baby. he has an amazing track record of poohing/peeing on anything cute though so he's mostly in white drip and dry baby grows.

GTbaby Wed 28-Nov-12 02:54:06

evil I already have a Disney Xmas outfit. Looks so cute ;)

Just going to bed now. Been watch tv n hanging out with DH as he was on late shift.

Went out today for a coffee/catchup with SIL. First time I have taken LO put on my own. N used the push chair. Was fun lol. He was well behaved and slept the whole time grin

Tape for ears has left red marks on LO blush think he may be allergic to the tap? Or it's irritated his skin sad Hv appointment tomorrow, I hope she don't notice. confused

NervousAt20 Wed 28-Nov-12 03:09:57

Congratulations swiss

Good luck miss! Maybe you should phone the hospital about your ankle?

pass I was a bit of a bitch as many would say strict with visitors, we had alot of people wanting to visit and I made it clear before baby arrived that we wanted a few days at home to settle in together and be a family and I didn't want to get over whelmed with visitors so people waited to come and then come a couple each day for no more then an hour. It was hard with bf when people are there as I had to go upstairs

alayma oh your poor boy, at least the hospital know what's wrong and are making him better and thankfully he hasn't had anothe seizure, I hopes he's okay and I hope you are too you must be so stressed and worried flowers

rowing my LO is 5w and no where near a bed time routine, whenever I think we're getting into some sort of pattern she changes it

evil I'm a bad mummy that's debaiting an elf costume blush but if I did I think that would be in for a few hours Christmas Eve for photos grin

We've been up for almost an hour an LO is playing with the boob and smiling about it hmm she looks adorable but its not play time missy

J is currently having his first bottle of formula sad
He's fed all day and my lower abdomen is in agony, after 3 weeks I've started loosing clots. Not huge but not tiny either.
He doesn't seem to be much enjoying the formula but it seemed like the only option. He'll be back on the breast next feed though.
3 more days until DP is finished for the year. thank Christ

ValiumQueen Wed 28-Nov-12 03:33:15

tits could you call triage just to say about clots. I am no expert but I am a bit concerned about clots at this late stage. Seems like a wise move with the formula. One feed at a time is the way to do it x

StuntNun Wed 28-Nov-12 04:00:01

Are you doing too much Tits? If you're being very active that could cause clots. If they're bigger than a 50p then that's serious, if they're tiny you may just need rest. I had quite a few yesterday but did bugger all so I'm not sure what's going on.

daisychain76 Wed 28-Nov-12 04:02:37

We‘‘ve got a penguin outfit from Tescos
. Was eyeing it up for ages but dh was horrified. He is an ex goth, doesn‘t do cute. Anyway, then his muum bought itt for us, so he can‘t complain,ha!

Alamaya Wed 28-Nov-12 04:10:53

thanks for the replies ladies. With regards to the seizures they dont know if they will occur again but i have to keep an eye out. Any really scary looking ones i was told 999. Took a couple of days for me to stop staring at him waiting for it. Sadly with regards to his development they cant tell me what will happen other than he will have regular paed check ups to see if he is behind at all.

kirrinIsland Wed 28-Nov-12 04:40:54

alamaya your poor boy, and poor you - how stressful. Hopefully he'll be ok now.

DH I am finding it pretty hard with 2. N is the easiest baby in the world but DD1 is playing me up something chronic. Doesn't miss a chance to take a swipe at the baby sad and is generally behaving atrociously. Add to that the fact that she's always been a bolter, so taking them both out somewhere has been pretty stressful so far.
n had her hearing check before we were discharged, luckily, so that spared us a journey. Getting into the birth centre is a bit of a trek for you isn't it? I had to go back in for her Peads check, but it's not so far for me.

N has just brought up her whole feed, dirtied her nappy and then promptly filled the clean one! She is now AWAKE......

Random question for you all. Is anyone else unaware of when their waters went?! I have no idea what happened to mine! They didn't go before I got to the hospital so I guess they must have gone when I was pushing, but I only pushed twice and I didn't feel them go then.it's a mystery!

GTbaby Wed 28-Nov-12 05:22:05

Ps someone up thread asked about teat flow size. When to move up. I have been meaning to ask the same thing so thought I'd bump the question.

Right back to sleep.

I don't think I'm doing too much, I wonder if its the constant feeding and I mean constant, I'm still getting the contraction type pain when he feeds. Midwife/hv says the womb is fine and seems to have shrunk back as expected though. Clots aren't bigger than 50p so I'm not worried, just bloody miserable.

Had a brief set too with DP, he is starting to crack with no sleep and long commutes, he took J downstairs for about 20 minutes then came back and handed him to me. I muttered under my breath in sheer exhausted-ness "I've had enough of this" and got snapped at with "we'll go to the fucking dr then and get yourself sorted" hmm

This was followed by an immediate apology from him.

Formula was all brought straight back up anyway, he's on the look out for comfort sucking but is a dummy refuser.

Gosh look at me and my self indulgent moaning when Almaya's poor wee boy is having such a rough time, I really hope he picks up soon love, are they treating the bleeds? Sorry I know naff all about this sort of thing! I'm sending you and your little one rapid weight gain thoughts.

Oh and Daisy we too have the penguin outfit from Tesco! It swamps him atm, he's only just started wearing nb clothes this past 2 days but he's a real chunky bum so hopefully it will fit by Christmas. grin

Iheartpasties Wed 28-Nov-12 06:09:17

marking my place smile

NervousAt20 Wed 28-Nov-12 06:12:04

tits I think it's best to call too and try and take things easy, easier said then done I know sad take care of yourself

shock * daisy* you'll get done great pictures of LO in that outfit grin

I'm hungry sad

Alamaya Wed 28-Nov-12 06:38:41

awww Tits me and hubby were like that with our first. In fact i got so annoyed with him not supporting and snapping i spent most of the first 2 months at my mums lol

With regards to the bleeds. the big one at back apparently is just clear fluid now so red blood cells are gone. Brain can reabsorb this. The little tiny one is still blood but they are not overly worried. Just have to have a head circumfrance measurement every week to make sure not started again xx

StuntNun Wed 28-Nov-12 06:58:21

It's hard not to worry Alamaya but all you can do is hope for the best and keep an eye out for any signs. FC that's it and there won't be any permanent effect or any more seizures. But if there are any problems it's not the end of the world. My DS1 has ADHD and Aspergers and his development has been very uneven but he will catch up with the 'neurotypicals' before he reaches adulthood. Now this baby has a 25% chance of ADHD and a 20% chance of autism but we can only wait and see what happens.

Don't downplay what you are going through Tits. You had such a terrible time in the run up to the birth that you have much less resilience to the problems occurring now. Can you trade off nights with your DH so you're both getting sleep some of the time? What about the SPD? Has it cleared up now? I was given a ten-day course of antiinflammatories post-CS and they have done wonders for my hip bursitis! Shame all the sitting on my arse feeding J isn't doing much for the ol' sciatica. You win some you lose some I suppose.

horseylady Wed 28-Nov-12 07:50:00

Detective I think 3rd degree no one said. I was just told 'that's a hell of an episiotomy' by everyone who looked at it!! Will get some piles stuff. I couldn't see one.

Ds full of snot. He wasn't eating as much as normal or as fast. Eventually I sat up with him on me just to help him sound better!! Have also used saline this morning to help clear. He's now gobbling up his bottle!!! Poor boy sad

kirrin yes same here, ds had been pushing it ever since dd came along. Hoping things settle down for both of us soon!
Yes it was a trek getting there and I parked miles away from the entrance so ds had to walk about a mile! All good though smile

I've been eyeing up outfits in tesco, I don't want anything too ott. Don't know if anyone's seen in asda there's an all in one outfit with a tutu attached! It looks sweet but bet its really uncomfy/ gets in the way.
I just want a nice romper/ sleepsuit with my first Xmas on or something that only costs a fiver.

I weighed myself yesterday and am a stone above pre preg weight, not what I wanted to see really.

horseylady Wed 28-Nov-12 07:57:16

Alamaya - sorry to hear about your ds. Hopefully all will be fine.

Kirrin my waters going also a mystey!!

Tits hugs - it will get better

Stunt - fc your lo is ok too!! The figures are on your side!!

Ds has two Xmas day outfits!! Two people have bought him one!! A Rudolph one and an elf one!

thereistheball Wed 28-Nov-12 08:33:55

Hi everyone. I have only skimmed a bit of this thread so I'm not going to name check everyone, sorry. But I thought I' check in to let you know how we're doing.

The boys are 3 months old now and have been home for 4 weeks: they are doing well. When they left hospital they weren't strong enough to take a full breastfeed, so I was topping them up by bottle of milk I'd expressed while they were in hospital (10 weeks in the end). That has now run out so if necessary I top them up with formula, and DH does a ff at 10pm so I can sleep. Yesterday we hit the 3 week growth spurt so now all feeds are taking two hours - we were in a nice routine but this has thrown it out. DH is out tonight so I have to get DD and sort out the evening for te tree of them, and night feeds, which is unfortunate timing.

Health wise they are OK. Their cerebral MRI scans came back normal, and they are having monthly immunisations against bronchiolitis. Those and their normal jabs mean I am seeing their paediatrician every two weeks. In 10 days they have hip ultrasounds and in 2 weeks they are being operated on for hernias. We go in on Sunday night and they'll be released on Tues or Weds depending on what anaesthetic they have to have: potentially one of each which will be tricky. Apart from the big stuff one twin has constipation which is making him very uncomfortable. They both get medicine for gas 3x a day, plus vitamins and iron daily, and weekly vitamin k. DD has a cold so I'm trying to stop her from breathig or coughing on us. All in all it's quite a regime.

Hope you're all enjoying your babies. I'll try to keep up with the thread from now on. Bon courage!

blonderthanred Wed 28-Nov-12 08:36:27

I have the penguin suit too! I got it after seeing the pic in the fb group, I can't remember who posted but Love. It. We're usually really un-cutesy but where the baby is concerned there is no irony, only soft fluffiness and outfits with ears.

Tits just to say I started bleeding badly again at 3 weeks and there was loads of 'stuff' in the loo, but it passed in a few days so hopefully nothing to worry about (but obviously follow VQ's sensible advice - I told the midwives).

Detective please take it easy! I know you can't properly rest but surely DP can go to Morrisons for the next couple of weeks. Hope you start to heal. Oscar has always been one of my favourite names so good choice there. I know how you feel as my mum said 'I think I preferred Mango' (our nickname for the baby in utero) when I introduced her to her first grandchild after my CS. She still never mentions his name a month on (he is 'my grandson') - gawd knows what she's got against it but I was a bit taken aback.

NervousAt20 Wed 28-Nov-12 09:00:51

Ladies quick question - DD is 5w5d and over the last 4-5 days she's been having quite watery poos it started of my just one of 2 a day then 10 normal but nicer the last day of so there's alot more watery ones to normal, she seems okay in herself her temp is 37.1. Do I need to go doctors or an I panicking over nothing??

PetiteRaleuse Wed 28-Nov-12 09:27:30

What's the Facebook group? I keep seeing it mentioned.

CandyPop Wed 28-Nov-12 09:27:38

chunky and any others who's little one had the snip for tongue tied . Does it really not affect the baby ? Ie. it doesn't hurt and the resume back to feeding normally?

My LO had tongue tied and I have apprehensively asked for a referral . I suspect her tongue tied may have caused poor latching and les to my mastitis in one boob and nipple blanching on the other ......

StuntNun Wed 28-Nov-12 09:41:21

It's called Nov 12 Babies Petite, you should be able to search for it to join it. The picture is of a pregnant lady with a flower on her bump.

thereistheball wow sounds like you have alot on your plate atm, really glad they're doing so well even if the feeds seem never ending! Well done for keeping up bf that must be tough at times.

Passmethecrisps Wed 28-Nov-12 10:11:01

Blimey it is humbling to read what others are coping with. It very much puts into perspective our sleepless night with wind and constipation.

GT I reckoned I would wait until P was about 6 to 8 weeks old before introducing the next size of dummy.

We have the health visitor today so I will mention the rooting followed by gagging.

rowingdowntheriver Wed 28-Nov-12 11:04:15

Exactly what dh and passme said.

rowingdowntheriver Wed 28-Nov-12 11:05:41

Oh, and does anyone know what happens to your waters when you have a cs? Do they just flood out or do they Hoover them put or do they just stay where they are and get weed out?!

PetiteRaleuse Wed 28-Nov-12 11:15:54

They break your waters in the CS - when I had mine I heard a kind of whooshing noise. Didn't hear a splash so I guess they kind of siphon them out somehow.

Tongue tie - both mine have had it and the snip was done on day two or three. Tey were back with me in less than five minutes showing no signs of any pain whatsoever

Sophiathesnowfairy Wed 28-Nov-12 11:42:02

Gosh DH a stone is fab, I have two stone to loose and as I am not bfing I can't think of Any reason not to start today, except all the stuff in the house is not really ideal. So tomorrow it will be. It will be a long slog. sad

Christmas clothes wise, I thought I would get a couple of nice sleep suits from JoJo that can be worn from now, one has reindeers and one has snowmen, they should keep us going for the whole of the season!

In other news we had a SICK FREE NIGHT. I was still in the same pjs when I got up that I went to bed in. grin

I am just now attacking all the washing that has accumulated since the 4th Nov when I bailed out of normal chores, we have only being doing the necessities.

TheDetective Wed 28-Nov-12 12:02:22

I feel much better this morning. I think the lavender made things worse. Note to self.... No more lavender!

Just feeding now, sat in bed. DP got up and I asked what he was doing... Making lunch for me he said! Yay smile

PetiteRaleuse Wed 28-Nov-12 12:07:12

Thanks Stunt. I sent a request to join smile

YellowWellies Wed 28-Nov-12 12:16:33

Hey thereis great to hear how well your twins are doing. 3 months - wow time has flown!!

Alamaya fingers crossed things start going your way x

GT noooo to tape unless you want to irritate his skin! His ears will sort themselves out. One of J's ears was bent down like a puppies - but its fine now. They can get misshapen in the womb - it's normal xx

We're doing much better today - my fat piglet slept from midnight to five!!! He's upped my milk supply massively this growth spurt - I just pumped off 150ml in 10 mins. Am trying to build up a supply so we can go out for dinner for DH's birthday sans enfant....

Afternoon ladies

Wow I've finally made it onto here - Dottie is 16 days old and the days have flown by way too quickly!!! She is a complete milk monster and feeds all bloody day but she does let mummy sleep for 5-6 hours at night and she is bloody gorgeous so I'll forgive her!!!

Hubbies gone back to work so just me and Dots during the day then school run at 3 - I forgot how much hassle and need to get better with my timings as I always leave too early then Dottie goes nuts waiting in the car for 20 minutes when she could be feasting lol

Love love love all the gorgeous photos on the fb page - what beautiful babies we all make!!!!

Hope everyone is well xx

blonderthanred Wed 28-Nov-12 13:08:11

L had only put on 60g this week so still not at birth weight. My heart sank but the mw we saw said that he looks well and healthy, is clearly going to be tall like his Dad, and to just keep going with the breastfeeding as some babies are quicker than others. We still have to go back next week but hopefully he will have a little growth spurt this week.

He has suddenly come on developmentally in the last few days, it's like he's woken up and seen the world for the first time. So maybe all his calories have gone into that.

Elizadoesdolittle Wed 28-Nov-12 13:46:14

blonder You've had a similar ride to us with weight gain, or lack of it! What is L weight now? Ella isn't back to her birth weight either. She's currently 7lbs 7ozs and was 8lbs 2ozs at birth. I had her weighed on Monday at the pre natal hospital clinic and she was 17 days old. They've done a urine test to make sure there isn't an infection but I saw a lovely mw who said E seems happy and healthy and just to carry on breast feeding as I am doing. Subject to the results of the test I've been signed off and just have to go the clinic rather than the hospital for weigh ins. Don't be disheartend, our little ones will get there. In a couple of months when they are piling on the weight we will wonder what all the fuss was about!

Passmethecrisps Wed 28-Nov-12 15:06:06

The constant trials and tribulations of weight charts!

We have just had a HV round - piggy here has put on 13 oz in a fortnight.

DonnaDoon Wed 28-Nov-12 15:08:40

blonder I think ive said before but just a reminder my dd took 4wks to get back to birth weight bfeeding alone...it was and still is a slog.

sophia let's hope we both lose the stones fast! Xmas is not an easy time to lose weight though.

All I've done today is go to tesco, so bloody lazy! I was going to take ds to the park but its soooo cold and I was worried about keeping dd warm in a sling.

YellowWellies Wed 28-Nov-12 15:58:33

I need to shift some pies too. My new 'fat' jeans arrived - and are tight!

Passmethecrisps Wed 28-Nov-12 16:04:02

Yikes YW! I totally misread your post. I thought you were saying you has to shift piles. I was wondering just how bad your piles could be that they were making your jeans tight!

I am almost exclusively wearing mat jeans. Can't face getting pre-preg jeans out just to discover that they are too small. Have lost a stone but have one to go to be back to pre-preg. Was pretty much relying on breast feeding to help shift it so it looks like I am going to have to stop scoffing

TheDetective Wed 28-Nov-12 16:12:04

Well I decided to get him weighed today - I had said I wasn't going to. But given he was technically what is known as IUGR as his weight was normal but low for his gestation. I decided I should make sure I'm doing the right things with him. 5 days old and he's gained 30g. Just hope he keeps it up! He is long and skinny, I can see he needs to gain weight.

I had a look at DS's weight chart last light, he was 8lb5 at birth, and 11lb5 at one month shock.

They will all gain weight eventually, sounds like we are all doing the right things! As long as they are alert and healthy otherwise then this is acceptable, yes?!

We succumbed to the dummy this morning. It's a god send. DP actually made the decision not me. Glad he did as I was dithering. He likes to suck. Once settled he pops it out and sleeps! Phew! Much better day today!

We are giving up on pampers nappies. He has leaked out the back of them far too many times now. Just picked up some Sainsburies own brand ones. Wanted asda ones but DP took us to Sainsburys d'oh!

Now I have 5 packs of Pampers d'oh! I'll stick em on a Facebook selling group!

PetiteRaleuse Wed 28-Nov-12 16:20:37

Detective i'm not brilliantly impressed with Pampers. Never had a problem with them for DD1, but there been a couple of leaks with LO. Am gong to try the local own brands in Germany (cheaper than France an only about 10 miles to the border). Anyone got an opinion on Aldi or Lidl?

Chunkychicken Wed 28-Nov-12 16:39:36

Aldi nappies are raved about by people I know, but never tried them myself.

I used Pampers exclusively with DD but Huggies have been great this time around. Never like Asda's own - gave DD nappy rash as a newborn, whereas Sainsburys active fit ones were great later on.

Haven't actually had the tongue tie snipped yet but am led to believe it isn't painful & breastfeeding straight after helps it heal. They won't do it at my hospital, we're going to have to travel to Kings in London. They also won't do it unless you are ebfing.

I've lost about 1.5st & got about 18lb to go... Can't stop eating with the b-feeding & tiredness, so figure it'll go evrbtu

Chunkychicken Wed 28-Nov-12 16:43:36

Bloody phone angry

Eventually!!! Have ordered a couple of breastfeeding dresses in a size bigger than normal, to wear over Christmas & at a wedding in Jan, so it doesn't matter if I don't slim too much.

Still in my maternity jeans cos they're comfy!! Haven't dug out my pre-pg clothes yet, as most are in the loft (packed up thoroughly when we moved) and quite happy with the longer line pg t-shirts.smile

daisychain76 Wed 28-Nov-12 16:55:09

I use aldi nappies, as only have 8 reusables small enough to fit, l find them really good.

YellowWellies Wed 28-Nov-12 17:03:39

Tesco own brand nappies are good too. We'll be in reuseables after Christmas (my sis has a set we'll be borrowing) but couldn't be arsed in the early days of pooplosions - am loving reuseable wipes though. Cheeky wipes rock!

horseylady Wed 28-Nov-12 17:04:22

Aldi were ok, they just didn't seem as absorbent as huggies or pampers. We got given some free ones which i put in my changing bag and they were fine.

Had a leaky poo and a couple of wees in the nappies. No idea which brand as I just buy whichever is on offer!! Both leaks I would say were my fault. The poo I'd not put it on tight enough, the wees I'd left his bits pointing up!! Saying that I always seem to be changing nappies!!!

Had a lovely day so far met my cousin and we went to the petting farm near the horses and had a very long coffee morning!! Heard some very sad news from someone else about a suicide leaving wife and child sad life's so precious I wonder why sometimes sad

Just about to cook tea!!

YellowWellies Wed 28-Nov-12 17:04:41

When I say 'we' - I mean Jonas blush I'm now risking life sans tena lady!!!

horseylady Wed 28-Nov-12 17:16:36

Yw we've had another day of gigantic poops. One in the coffee shop. One at home. Little stinker!!

Good luck without the tena ladies!!

YellowWellies Wed 28-Nov-12 17:22:35

Thanks horsey I'm only venturing sans tena in dodgy period pants though. can't fit any nice ones yet anyway

Our pooplosions seem to have died off now and he's progressed to one epic shite a day as his bowel has matured. I try to leave that one for DH. grin Is it mean to leave him sat in it for ten minutes until DH gets home from work? He's asleep and quite happy. (how can anyone expel poo so vigorously asleep????)

After five hours sleep in one stretch last night - I have to say I'm feeling quite human again. Any episiotomy ladies braved DTD yet? My DH has been soooo lovely these last few weeks - would like to thank him fnar fnar.

That's v sad news about the suicide horsey - my second cousin killed himself as a teenager - his younger brother found him - was heartbreaking - and noone really ever knew why. It's torture for the family - poor lady to be on her own with kids and so many unanswered questions sad

Passmethecrisps Wed 28-Nov-12 17:23:12

I wish we could have a poosplosion. Poor wee sausage is very unsettled today thanks to nasty constipation. HV reckons it should pass in a day or so and is just a result of moving from breast to formula. We also moved from one brand to another so there is a fair amount of tunmy settling to be done. Lots of massaging and cuddles happening.

Passmethecrisps Wed 28-Nov-12 17:29:23

Sad news horsey. Worst moment of my career was attending the funeral of a child who commited suicide. The saddest thing in the world must be a child without hope.

Lol @ DTD YW although I do know what you mean about wanting to be nice back! I was watching my DH sleep the other night and he looked so like P sleeping I had a proper heart swell. I might need another week or so before I can consider any action. Still pretty tender two weeks on.

No Tena lady usage here - go me!!

Another thing HV mentioned is that P has a strawberry birthmark thing on her tummy. I thought it was where the tab on her body suits wa rubbing so I have been turning them inside out. Glad it's nothing which will cause her pain though.

GTbaby Wed 28-Nov-12 18:34:24

pass are there any signs to usi g a higher flow teat? LO drools milk when drinking so is teat giving to much milk? Confusing

yw I have blush. Lol. It took a few goes over two days. Felt uncomfortable at first so kept giving up. But perseverance paid off!

Also tape irritated LO skin. So not something ill suggest to anyone else.

Sorted LO clothes today. His nursery is basically a dumping ground for his gifts so far as his crib is in our room.
Most his current clothes (new born size) r snug now, he has a 3-6 month grow on ATM, so much easier getting it on him, so decided I'm going to skip 0-3 clothes lol. Gona pop into tesco tomorrow n buy some basics.

horseylady Wed 28-Nov-12 18:58:48

He called her before hand, she raced home, found him, he was barely alive sad

Pass it's only recent the poop incidents. He was really struggling to go.

I think I'm ready. I actually want to which is good as throughout the entire pregnancy I had no desire!!

horseylady Wed 28-Nov-12 18:59:39

Ooo pass what did you swap too and from?!

daisychain76 Wed 28-Nov-12 19:25:31

Re constipated babies ~ with ds1 he once went 6 days without pooing and l ended up taking him to drs (pfb!). He said give him a bath, put baby bubble bath in and slosh it up his bum. It worked a treat!

Evilwater Wed 28-Nov-12 19:28:14

Sorry to hear about the death horsey

I've bought grip water and used it twice, so far good. He has some wind that won't shift. We also went for a nice long walk, in the sun.

Was weighed, and is now 10lb at 8 weeks. grin

TheDetective Wed 28-Nov-12 20:54:04

I'm feeling sorry for myself! I got home after visiting DP's relatives. Put baby down and was about to take his outdoor clothes off when the piss literally came pouring out. I screeched my way to the toilet with my thighs clamped together. Stairs were interesting...! I'm gutted! I have a strong bladder usually! Not had any problems before now! Thank god I had 2 maternity pads on to soak it up! I didn't do a big wee either confused. And I haven't drunk much this afternoon. Also it was about 6 hours since my last wee. Which is nothing for me. I go longer over night!

Going to have to get doing extra pelvic floors, since I have been doing them anyway!

There is no dignity in the life of a new mum! hmm

TheDetective Wed 28-Nov-12 20:58:21

I forgot to add DP's aunt who we visited has lent me her very expensive air cushion, which moulds to your bum! I am sat on £150 worth of cushion. I am scared grin.

It's bloody good though! Wish we had visited them 5 days ago grin

Passmethecrisps Wed 28-Nov-12 21:08:25

detective that is weird I was going to post about a wee incident earlier. I was on the loo havig a wee and when I went to wipe I realised I was still weeing. I was weeing but had no idea. I ended up with a handful of wee. Very odd.

horsey the hospital have us mini-bottles of aptimal. We used those then bought some mini cartons of Hipp. We are now using powdered Hipp. Poor wee sausage has had breast milk, two different types of liquid formula and then powder in a few days. I have spent all day cycling her legs and massaging her tummy. She did a normal sized poo about an hour and a half ago and looks peaceful now.

daisy that is funny about the bubble bath. This is totally TMI but I have done that to myself before - accidentally. Like in the shower and being too vigorous with washing. It does lubricate the area that is for sure!

We have a 4 hour drive to see my aunty tomorrow. I have barely left the house so goodness knows how I will manage!

Chunkychicken Wed 28-Nov-12 21:09:15

<smug face> I didn't need tena lady at all (pelvic floor of steel grin) and have actually gone pad-free today which seems quite early, at only 17 days post delivery.

We haven't dtd yet and it's been nearly three weeks and I didn't have any stitches or anything! It's not that I don't want to/ feel tender, we don't have the time! Once ds is asleep dd wants feeding all evening long, then once she's asleep I'm way too tired for anything. He can sort himself out for a while yet grin also I'm a bit scared to risk it before starting the pill again which I can't do for another three weeks.

I feel more human generally nowadays, still v tired but not head spinning, bone crushing tiredness (unless its been a particularly bad night) she only wakes twice for feeding which considering she's bf is quite good going. It'll prob all go to pot soon and she'll be up every hour. My body is finally getting used to 1am and 5am feeds!

Chunkychicken Wed 28-Nov-12 21:12:48

Had no dignity whatsoever during the birth however... didn't get a hat trick of bodily fluids as didn't vom, but did wee AND poo myself when pushing.blush

TheDetective Wed 28-Nov-12 21:18:12

It is quite common to have wee issues after birth. So I don't know why I was surprised! I blame the forceps... maybe things just aren't as sensitive down there yet. Ah well, at least I was home thank fuck. I think I'll pack some extra clothes FOR ME! in the changing bag!

I'm going to have to make a trip to John Lewis in the next few day if my arse can handle it. The sheep skin liner had its first wash yesterday, and we followed the washing instructions to the exact degree, even going out and purchasing specific washing liquid! Yet it has come out shrunken, and nowhere near soft and fluffy as it was! I'm raging! And mostly gutted! I loved it, but if I can't wash it, what is the point in having it? It was £50 so hardly cheap! I don't know whether to accept an exchange or just get my money back? I really want one, but its a trek to JL and if it does the same thing again, i'll probably have a temper tantrum!

horseylady Wed 28-Nov-12 21:19:38

Detective that happened to me on day 5 and 6 I sobbed. It's fine now.

Tonight I did a little workout!! Yay!! Just toning stuff. Was good, core didn't feel too bad, stronger than I expected. Just need to start running again. Still just walking a lot ATM. Will do the running in a couple of weeks. Very gradually.

Passmethecrisps Wed 28-Nov-12 21:20:52

Did you chunky? How did you know? I've just asked DH if I wee'd or poo'd and he says no. No spew either. When my waters broke I did burst into tears and cry 'and now I've wee'd myself!'

TheDetective Wed 28-Nov-12 21:22:11

Chunky I vommed as I was transferred from the theatre table to the trolley. And again in the recovery bed. I was lay down flat too. Caused a lotta mess grin.

Worst thing was, it was my subway sandwich that DP had been specifically dispatched out to get while I was waiting for my waters to be broken! He arrived on labour ward 3 minutes after I had them broken, and just as the contractions started... was eating it in between contractions! I loved those sandwiches not any bloody more!.

TheDetective Wed 28-Nov-12 21:23:33

I did my poo about 30 mins after waters breaking wink. Good timing body, good timing!

DP also informed me there was no poo. I knew there wasn't... I'd of smelled it grin.

Passmethecrisps Wed 28-Nov-12 21:24:02

horsey I take my hat off to you. I am a lard arse. I am barely walking the length of myself.

Chunkychicken Wed 28-Nov-12 21:26:39

pass I was on my knees & could hear/feel the wee. Then I felt the MW discretely wipe my bottom area...

kirrinIsland Wed 28-Nov-12 21:27:23

What awful news horsey - what an awful thing to have to cope with sad

We've spent the day in the hospital. N was being observed as her breathing didn't look so good. They've let us home now, luckily, and she seems much better.

Good luck with the drive pass I've hardly left the house either. Yesterday was the first day I had to get them both ready to go out in my own - it did not go well!

YellowWellies Wed 28-Nov-12 21:29:46

I vommed every contraction for the last 8 hours - bile and chocolate croissant. Classy!

Chunkychicken Wed 28-Nov-12 21:31:25

detective that sucks about the sheepskin, esp if you followed the instructions!!

Passmethecrisps Wed 28-Nov-12 21:36:44

Oh god yw you deserved a wee vom after what you went through. Hell's teeth.

Hmm, I think I had a wee wipe down as well. Also when I was on my knees. Ach well, I have list any pretence of dignity.

I love that detective was eating subway during contractions. Was too busy crying!

TheDetective Wed 28-Nov-12 21:41:49

DS just came downstairs to give me a card from his Dad... In which he has written to blah and blah, congratulations on the birth of your first child confused.

He also told DS that Oscar is his stepbrother. If you want to be pedantic, he is his half brother, not stepbrother, but why the fuck would you say that to a child who has been longing for a sibling forever? They are both my children, and they are both brothers. End of it.

Also, he sent me a text after he was born asking what he was called, and I said we didn't have a name, as he didn't suit the one we had. He replied 'nice, call him scrotum then'.

What the actual fuck is that man on? He is 30 and behaving like a spoiled brat. hmm

Apparently I pood 3 times and weed as well. Can't remember it though... Was on all fours and high on entenox. DH said midwives just dealt with it.

YellowWellies Wed 28-Nov-12 21:58:44

I didn't poo - not sure about wee. Mindst I was sat backwards on the loo for quite a while - it was a super comfy position as I remember it. I peed in the pool - a lot!!!!! I was also totally bollock naked from about three hours in - just shuffling around in the nip with my wheely canister of gas and air. I could not be arsed who saw.... blush

horseylady Wed 28-Nov-12 22:13:53

Lol yw!!! One of my vague memories is being walked to the pool room well I don't remember the walk or the previous hour in the other room. I do remember being told the pool was ready and just taking my clothes off and getting in. Dh asked if I wanted my bikini I said no point.

I asked if I pooed he said no, sick, no. He also said I ate nothing so prob wouldn't have done anything as body sorted itself at home!! They made me do a wee on the toilet before deciding I was fully dilated and could now push.

I would never ever usually get naked in front of anyone but dh. Most of the time he's lucky then to see me!! In labour I didn't care!!

katkit1 Wed 28-Nov-12 22:17:49

i had a delightful vomiting session loudly in the middle of the night in the ward - struggled to get help for a bowl until the nurses heard me retching - i blamed the tramadol - i stopped taking it after that - lethal stuff - furniture was moving

Chunkychicken Wed 28-Nov-12 22:59:49

Think we've hit ANOTHER growth spurt. Haven't stopped feeding or if I have, DS is crying & rooting around. Good stuff smile

GTbaby Wed 28-Nov-12 23:14:14

Hmm. I think LO has tongue tie. He has been screaming for almost an hour. N I noticed the skin that attaches tongue to bottom part of mouth comes right to the front. Like to the gum n tip of tongue. Looked online n I think it's tongue tie. But not 100% sure what tongue tie is. confused.

Think LO is wearing himself out finally.

dh I'm 6 weeks n only dtd the other day also we have no other kids so have more time.

Chunkychicken Wed 28-Nov-12 23:33:58

Sounds like tongue tie GT. If you look under your tongue, there is a "string" attaching the tongue to the floor of the mouth. In tongue tied infants, this is too short, causing restriction to the movement of the tongue, which affects feeding. However, in my health authority, they only do anything about it if you are EBFing. It can resolve itself by stretching over time or getting broken by toys/spoons being stuck under the tongue.

Chunkychicken Wed 28-Nov-12 23:37:18

Also, we've not DTD yet but that's because I don't fancy it when still bleeding. Although that's finishing now... Think DH would like to v much. Will have to get more sleep first before I'll feel in the mood I think.

NervousAt20 Thu 29-Nov-12 00:21:23

Up for first feed here

passthebakl wow sounds like you have alot going on at the minute, can't believe your boys are 3 moths already! Wishing you all the best with your busy sedules coming up

detective men can be such arseholes

We've DTD a couple of times, first time not comfie a although but gets better

DD is almost 6 weeks old and I haven't had any pains in my scar until now confused not sure why though as I thought everything should be almost healed by now

Evilwater Thu 29-Nov-12 01:33:00

And here we are again, LO is wide awake. Has painful wind again. When does it get better??


TheDetective Thu 29-Nov-12 02:09:30

Oscar the grouch has gone on sleep strike hmm. I came to bed just after 10 and fed him. He's been fed/changed/winded/cuddled ever since.

He is asleep on me now but will wake with in 2 minutes of being put in the basket.

Mummy would like a portion of sleep now please!!

StuntNun Thu 29-Nov-12 02:12:31

Evil it does get better as their digestive systems mature. My DS1 had colic and cried for hours every day. I used Infacol religiously and one day it all stopped.

I'm on my second feed of the night. I tried a dream feed at 10 but J was resolutely asleep and wouldn't have it. My DM is cross with me for calling him a bad baby when he wet through everything and I stomped off to change him in the hall to avoid waking up the neighbours. Bloody semi-detacheds.

TheDetective Thu 29-Nov-12 02:19:56

You avoid waking the neighbours?! Omg I must be a terrible neighbour! I let him cry for 5 mins before because I needed the loo and with the pad changes and cleaning down there it takes ages! So he had to wait. And cry! blush

rowingdowntheriver Thu 29-Nov-12 03:06:52

My neighbours have to lump any crying noises I'm afraid! We're mid terrace but luckily both sides have a couple of little boys each so have both been there and know what it is like!

This is my first feed of the nights better than the 1 am one yesterday, like I said yesterday, it seems completely random when he decides to wake for feeds each night.

Oh, and no, we've not DTD yet. We are both way too tired to contemplate it!

TheDetective Thu 29-Nov-12 03:11:13

He is asleep. We've done the feed put down cry pick up feed cycle for the last hour again. That is 5 hours now. Seriously? He is being hard work tonight. He can sleep on my chest. I give up. He sleeps fine til I try putting him down.

Bollocks to it. It's the only way we are going to get any sleep tonight.

StuntNun Thu 29-Nov-12 04:57:34

Our neighbours already put up with quite a bit between shouting, DH's guitar, DS1's trumpet and my saxophone. J cries the house down when he's getting his clothes changed which isn't very neighbourly at 2 a.m. Hopefully he'll be quieter soon and it won't be a problem. Plus next door on the left are taking next door on the right's DD to school so that they have room in the car to take my DSs to school every morning. So I really need to make the effort.

Third feed of the night here (if you don't count the failed dream feed) so it looks like we're settling into a routine. Maybe next week I can start expressing and DH could do one of the feeds. I'm hampered by not being able to lie on my left because it hurts my incision so I have to do every other feed sitting up in bed.

Lane81 Thu 29-Nov-12 05:02:58

I'm in exactly the same position detective for the last five hours. We had a couple of good nights, but not happening tonight. Don't like her sleeping on me but cant see a choice tonight. She's fed pretty much all day so I am wondering if its a growth spurt.

TheDetective Thu 29-Nov-12 05:20:57

He slept. Til 430. Feeding again since then. Oh my word. I'm exhausted.

My new motto. Sleep is for wimps!

TheDetective Thu 29-Nov-12 05:22:53

We haven't mastered lying down stunt, so all feeds are sitting up sad and sitting up hurts my fanjo. Can't win!

NervousAt20 Thu 29-Nov-12 05:46:28

I can't feed in bed I know I'd fall asleep sad each feed I get up and come in LOs room and use the nursing chair

Spinity Thu 29-Nov-12 05:48:47

Oh my goodness, I have been up all night, as in no sleep at all sad

My little miss is one week old and just will not be put down at night, daytime is fine. Grrr! So vey tired and have to be functional for DD1 in about 45 mins, babies truly are ridiculously hard work!

almaya, so sorry to hear your lo was poorly, heres hoping he will get better soon.

Sophia doesnt sound like reflux, thank godsmile yaay for no puke!

misslaughs -hope labour is well underway for you now, good luck!

So my mother came to stay today. For ten days. Aggh. More on this fun later, he might be finally settling now...

TheDetective Thu 29-Nov-12 05:58:46

Glad I'm not alone! 1 hour of sleep just isn't my cup of tea!!

Woo hoo, I've finally graduated?

Olivia Frances was born at 17:53 yesterday weighing in at 9lb 6oz!

Horrendous labour all in all and ended up with EMCS but she's here now, totally gorgeous and very relaxed!! Snoozing on me now after a big feed and making the cutest noises. Plus, she can fart for England. I'm completely in love with her!

kirrinIsland Thu 29-Nov-12 07:18:34

Congratulations missl thanks

No sleep here either. N is still so snuffly it's keeping her awake sad

horseylady Thu 29-Nov-12 07:29:24

Snuffly baby here too!! Though I did get a good chunk of sleep when he first woke at 420 to feed!! He had had a lot To eat in the day.

Didn't really go back to sleep again though. Never mind. Were snuggled in bed about to start the day with feed one!!!

horseylady Thu 29-Nov-12 07:29:41

Congrats miss!!

StuntNun Thu 29-Nov-12 07:36:01

<Does the happy dance for MissLaugh>

NervousAt20 Thu 29-Nov-12 08:09:07

Congratulations misslaugh lovely name

Congratulations miss!

I'm annoyed, I just managed to get 5 minutes to write a big post and my stupid phone lost it angry

Still trying to catch up on the thread.
M is doing well, feedings going good. I'll update properly from the laptop later

Hope everyone's well

Chunkychicken Thu 29-Nov-12 08:53:49

Congrats missL although shame it was a difficult time.

Yay miss you made it into nov in the end! Are we waiting on anyone else now?

kirrin glad N is ok it's never nice having to go to hospital with them.

Dh told me I pood in the birthing pool, I prob weed too but at least it wouldn't have shown!
I wouldn't have minded but I went to the loo LOADS after my waters went so didn't think there was anything left to come out!

TheDetective Thu 29-Nov-12 09:19:41

Congratulations MissL aren't the new mummy hormones just such a lovely feeling!

Can anyone recommend any decent breast pads? My left boob is like a leaky tap and my asda ones aren't up to the job! Just had to wrap a muslin cloth around the boobs coz both my feeding bras now need washing!

Chunkychicken Thu 29-Nov-12 09:28:27

I just doubled up detective but lansinoh ones are meant to be good but are bloody pricey. Sainsburys ones are shit. Itchy & not v absorbant.

ValiumQueen Thu 29-Nov-12 10:21:43

detective shove the crap pampers nappy on your boob!

Congratulations missL

DD1 ill now. Small baby plus two sick kids is not fun.

Passmethecrisps Thu 29-Nov-12 10:22:26

detective I found the Johnson & Johnson ones were pretty good. Even for my cow-like mammaries

eversomuch Thu 29-Nov-12 10:41:07

Hi all, I have been lurking the past several weeks, whenever, that is, that I've had a spare moment to get on MN. In-laws were here for first 3 wks (what a luxury! not used to having family around to rely on) and DH is home most of this wk, but today is my first day on my own with toddler & newborn. So far, so good.

DS will be 4 wks tomorrow and doing great. Already outgrowing lots of clothes -- not surprising as he's semi-permanently attached to the boob. Waking 2-3 times during the night, but manageable for the most part. Such a sweetie. After getting used to having DD, I wondered what on earth I'd do with a boy, but the moment I saw him, I got so excited about the adventures we'll have. Am so in love w/ these kids.

Recovery from ELCS sooo much smoother than from EMCS. That has been a huge relief, as last yr's experience was a nightmare.

Re: breastpads, detective, I use the Little Lambs washable ones. They're great and I got into the habit of washing each pair out by hand when done w/ them, so I always have them available. Have doubled them up when nec too.


Congrats to all the recent grads and arrivals. Love seeing the pics on FB even if I don't comment or post much there (or anywhere) these days.

horseylady Thu 29-Nov-12 10:41:59

I never had to use any sad I bought asda ones and some from mothercare. I gave them and the nipple cream to my cousin!!

Saying that in the shower last night while checking boobs milk came out of both sad then I thought should I try again?? Then I remembered my boobs and nipples (small and flat) compared to everyone else and decided I'm setting myself up for failure. And were happy. Why upset everything?

horseylady Thu 29-Nov-12 10:42:43

Vq hugs wondered why you'd been quiet. Hope all calms down.

Chunkychicken Thu 29-Nov-12 11:03:55

Shame you're getting upset about it again horsey but nipple shape & size isn't a problem for bfing necessarily - my RL friend had inverted nipples but fed her DS until he was 2yo & only stopped because pg dried her milk up. Apparently, they are no longer inverted (just flat/not so pokey out as 'usual') but I've never actually seen them!!!

Sympathies VQ had DD ill when DS was a day or 2 old. No sleep for me!

everso I felt the same when I saw DS's boy bits. I was so expecting another girl.

YellowWellies Thu 29-Nov-12 11:08:26

Horsey it's totally your choice and you have to do what is right for you - particularly if you now feel that you are on an even keel. But I couldn't resist commenting on one thing (because I think there are a lot of myths out there which put women off BFing) - boob size. It has feck all to do with BFing abilities. My sis and I are not blessed naturally - indeed a nickname at school was 'treasure' - she of the sunken chest (to which I'd retort 'they don't make diamonds as big as bricks' ) - but that hasn't stopped BFing for either of us. Boob size doesn't correlate with milk production abilities. Not sure about nipple size - mine are quite big blush TMI... but I know some of the other mummies on here have said they have quite flat ones and can BF. There are a lot of myths about BFing and I think we ought to knock them on the head if it means that more women will be confident in their own bodies smile

YellowWellies Thu 29-Nov-12 11:21:53

Woo can I make a recommendation?

Mr J likes to be swaddled, but he's a piglet and tends to fill himself up to the gunwhales on a night feed - so when I'm lifting and manoeuvring him around to swaddle him it tends to cause hiccups or posseting.

I saw these swaddle shell on a Mamas and Papas email and promptly bought one on ebay for a fiver. TOTAL GENIUS. The wee man is happily swaddled, can't twat himself in the face / scratch his eyes out, yet you just zip him in when replete after a feed with no faffy wrapping and resultant voms. And - comedy gold - he has a new nickname. Baby maggot!

Chunkychicken Thu 29-Nov-12 11:35:09

Don't think it was a growth spurt last night, just cluster feeding, as he went 3hrly between feeds, so up at 2 ish, then 5ish. First time since he got his cold.

Think he's also making a developmental leap - he was awake a fair while yesterday evening and then again this morning; he didn't fall deeply asleep during a feed & when he was grumpy & I gave boob again, he took a bit but took himself off, yawning & getting more grumpy. Had to wrap him in a blanket and cuddle until he dozed off. That's a first!!

Chunkychicken Thu 29-Nov-12 11:36:36

Oh and YW agree totally wrt bf myths etc.

ValiumQueen Thu 29-Nov-12 11:50:24

horsey as you know, I am very pro bf, but I am more concerned about your mental health, and think in your particular situation, I would encourage you to keep moving forward, and looking forward. For several reasons, none your fault, it did not work out this time. Try again with your next child smile

Lane81 Thu 29-Nov-12 12:12:40

Just sent DH out for a dummy, DD is comfort sucking so much. Was determined not to, and know some friends will judge but I need to give it a try for my sanity. Am really worried it will interfere with supply though as she won't be sucking constantly?! Don't know if there's any truth to this!

PetiteRaleuse Thu 29-Nov-12 12:29:37

LO's cold or whatever it is has got to the coughing stage. For a very tiny person she can make a lot of noise. DD1, DH and myself are all coughing too. It was noisy in our room last night (DD1 insisting on co-sleeping at the moment)

StuntNun Thu 29-Nov-12 12:51:07

Lane we started a dummy on day 3 when it became evident J wouldn't settle without something to suck. I only use it when I feel he needs some comfort but doesn't want the breast, e.g. when he's having pains after feeding or so he can put himself to sleep in his cot with the mobile on. Some babies just need to suck. My DS1 is nine now and still always has something in his mouth or is chewing his collar or sleeve. Makes me wish I could put the dummy back in when I have to buy him a new school coat because his is chewed!

TheDetective Thu 29-Nov-12 12:55:41

I just managed 2 hours asleep while DP paced the floors with DS. He is now back on the boob. Even though he has fed all night plus had a 50ml ebm top up when DP took him downstairs after a mammoth feed.

I'm writing today off. I'm sore and tired. I'm going to try and have a bath when he finally gets off the boob.

I'm behind to resent the number of visits by midwives/bf peer support/hv that are coming over the next week. I'd just like to hibernate. The times they turn up are always the worst because between 9-12 is usually the only sleep I'm getting aside from 1 hour or so overnight. Baaaah.

ShellyBobbs Thu 29-Nov-12 12:58:21

YW I think the baby that is actually in the shell thing sells it, bless, the little thing is nearly asleep. Bet it was gutted when they finished blinding it with the flash and wanted their Swaddle Shell back grin

Oooh, I'm sick of this bleeding now! 18 days on and it's still like a very heavy period, I had even leaked through my pad this morning grrrrrrrr.......

Detective I'd be interested to see recommended pads. I found the Asda ones much more absorbent than the Johnson and Johnson ones, I thought they were really shit. I may even make my own out of old towels yet as milk just squirts everywhere, but I can fill a 5oz bottle in under 10mins so I suppose there is a plus side to being like this (from one boob).

YellowWellies Thu 29-Nov-12 13:01:18

Jonas just did his proper smile. Am melting!!!!

TheDetective Thu 29-Nov-12 13:01:34

Oops forgot to say thanks for the pad recommendations! Will try the pampers first today! Might need bigger bras to accomodate though! We've not had any leaks from the Sainsburys nappies - yet!

Horsey, please don't waste another minute thinking about feeding. You have done everything you can. You have a thriving, happy and contented baby. This is important for your sanity to remember this!

Not all mums and babies get on with breastfeeding. I often see it, and usually it is more down to the baby, not the mum. Try again next time and you might get a different result, because every baby is different. Look to the future, not back to the past. smile

ShellyBobbs Thu 29-Nov-12 13:02:21

I know Detective. The people who tell you to sleep when baby sleeps are the feckers that turn up on your doorstep at 9am and bombard you with all their visits!

Another thing that happened to me was no visitors on day one (apart from MIL but she was already here when Tommy was born) because they didn't want to intrude so soon. Then everyone came on days 4 & 5, and I mean for 2 full days the house was just full of people - this is when sleep deprivation is just getting to you! And I hadn't seen half of them for years the nosey old feckers

TheDetective Thu 29-Nov-12 13:06:53

Visitors are still behaving here, thank god! I suspect next week will be the time they all appear! I think most people we know will check with us - late afternoon or early evening is the only good time for anyone to visit! Mornings are a write off! Then it's back to the feeding changing cycle! It's 2pm before I manage to shower and dress!

ShellyBobbs Thu 29-Nov-12 13:10:17

Haha, I was really rude one day and just fucked off to bed with Tommy. I didn't say anything, just went grin They had been here drinking brews for 3 hours though!

ShellyBobbs Thu 29-Nov-12 13:11:15

Right, better express some milk for hubby tonight.....

MyLastDuchess Thu 29-Nov-12 13:18:51

Hi all, I gave birth to DC2 on Monday at 13:15, 41+2. I had been starting to wonder if she would make it into the world before December!

We are going home from hospital today and I'm looking forward to sleeping in my own bed again smile

blonderthanred Thu 29-Nov-12 14:44:09

Shelly can't he get his own from Tesco?

horseylady Thu 29-Nov-12 14:55:41

I know any shaped nipples can feed, it was just one tiny part of a long list as to why never established bf. I think if he'd started and stopped there would be more reason to attempt. It won't happen. Vq. Dh said the same thing as you. We've got our routine now, were happy i was just surprised there was milk?! To be honest I never realised I had flat nipples until I tried to bf!!!

I looked after ds and a 14 week old baby today for two hours!! I lived!!!

I hated mw visits. anytime from 8-4. Then they tell you off for looking tired!! Yeah no shit!!! I could have had a lie in but no, I had to get up and dressed for you to come daily to see if my sonwas putting on enough weight to check us!! So glad that's over!!

horseylady Thu 29-Nov-12 15:10:58

Oh and a lady in our baby group was to stop feeding her baby as much. He's ebf. We were told you couldn't over feed a bf baby!!! He'd gained too much. So she's been told feed on demand to feed at certain intervals!!

Perhaps they should removed all charts?! Look at the baby!

Hi everyone, just had a brief read.

I finally managed some sleep last night and even a hair cut today! J has almost doubled in size over the past couple of days so hopefully it was a growth spurt.

As for poo, I didn't have time but when my waters broke I chucked the soggy pad at DP before squatting over the toilet and doing a giant loud fart as a contraction came. grin I didn't care at that point tbh.

Passmethecrisps Thu 29-Nov-12 16:15:36

horsey weird, I had the same thought. My boobs are the midwives dream it seems and would soak little P whenever we had a go - still didn't work for us. Didn't stop me from having a moment in the shower where I thought "should I?" I haven't cried since being honest with myself and giving up. That is enough to persuade me that we are moving in the right direction. I was completely unprepared though for what a massive emotional upheaval the whole thing is. My brain was fine with it, it was my heart which wept.

StuntNun Thu 29-Nov-12 16:17:34

Welcome Duchess and congratulations!

It must be hard to come on here and hear about others bfing Horsey however lots of women can't breastfeed despite wanting to. My DS1 only latched on twice ever, lost a load of weight, the midwives were threatening to take him away and feed him formula, I was desperately trying to feed him EBM with a syringe in hospital. It just never worked out and I didn't have the support to get him to latch on and it all undoubtedly contributed to my PND. Fast forward to DS2 and he was relatively easy to breastfeed. Sometimes it just doesn't work out, sometimes it's easy.

Gah! Just been pooed on everywhere by J, exploded out the nappy, took the nappy off and he peed on me so I changed him and me, picked him up and he vommed down me... Classy little guy, classy. grin

Chunkychicken Thu 29-Nov-12 16:58:10

The hat trick Tits grin

DonnaDoon Thu 29-Nov-12 17:00:00

Lol Tits

ValiumQueen Thu 29-Nov-12 17:04:35

I appreciate it must be hard hearing about breastfeeding, but it is important to get it in perspective. I find it hard reading about the births, the natural ones especially, as I could not do that this time or last time, and that still saddens me and makes me feel less of a woman, less of a mother, but I know by looking at my older two, that the birth, and also the feeding are such short periods in their lives, and do not really matter in the grand scheme of things. So long as they are born safely, and fed, that is all that really matters. The birth and feeding bother us way more than it bothers them, and guilt, looking back with regret is only likely to impact negatively on them. It is today, and the future that matters. We cannot change the past. We need to look forward, as that is the way we are travelling. Nobody will ask about the birth or feeding method on the first day of school.

All of us who have graduated should take a moment to look at the little bundle of wonderfulness in our arms, and just count our blessings. It is easy to forget in the blur of sleep depravation, being pissed, shitted and puked on, sore nipples, sore fanjos, section scars, stretch marks, etc etc, that we would do it again in a heartbeat for this little scrap. Indeed we would gladly die for them. Our lives will never be the same again. There are also many who started this journey with us who did not graduate, and would give their right arm to swap places right now.

horseylady Thu 29-Nov-12 17:13:51

Vq - wise words!! I feel the same when hearing about fast births too!!

He doesn't care, he knows no different!! I love him regardless of it, just like pass my head says it's fine my heart feels the guilt. I didn't think I'd feel this way. Then again I didn't think this level of love was possible either. You would literally die for them. How any if you have more than one is beyond me!! Then again I see why people have so many children as well!!

Passmethecrisps Thu 29-Nov-12 17:15:43

Round of applause for vq. My DH gently told me that my issue was a 'first world problem'. He is right.

We cannot get ourselves in knots over healthy and happy babies.

Passmethecrisps Thu 29-Nov-12 17:27:50

Oh and YW what age is J? I am so looking forward to smiles. I could have sworn I got one from P earlier but at 18 days old I think it was a gift of wind!

YellowWellies Thu 29-Nov-12 17:30:08

He's 37 days since birth - 10 days since due date

blonderthanred Thu 29-Nov-12 17:39:15

Hear hear VQ. That brought a tear to my eye. I have been thinking a lot about those who were on the early antenatal threads but whose journey ended early and how much they must be thinking at the moment of what might have been. Hopefully lots of them are now sporting new bumps and have lots of happy times to look forward to.

StuntNun Thu 29-Nov-12 17:41:37

My mum went on a diet after having me and her milk dried up (which wasn't widely known about at the time) so I went on to doorstep cow's milk at 6 weeks old. Given that she worked two jobs for most of my childhood, made sacrifices so I could have music lessons, raised me to be an ethical and capable adult and did so many other things she for me, there is no possible discussion that starts, "If only you had EBF'd me for longer..."

P.S. Thanks Mum.

Passmethecrisps Thu 29-Nov-12 17:49:58

Here you lot! Stop making me greet! <wipes nose with milk-covered muslin>

Right, can I ask for some advice for my sister? Her LO is 3 days older than P so is almost 3 weeks old. She says he downs bottles of milk in a heartbeat then voms everywhere before asking for more. She feels he eats too fast and she doesn't know how to slow him down. He is on newborn teats or variflow. She is keen to put him on hungry baby formula but her HV isn't keen. She says he brings up wind easily so doesn't think it is wind or reflux. Do any of you ladies have any ideas?

Oh bugger, Johnathan has just projectile vomited out his nose and mouth everywhere he's really lethargic now, just clinging onto me sleeping.
Now, he's been sleepier than normal today, I assumed he was coming out a growing spurt. I've managed to convince myself he's poorly.

I had curry last night, could that have made him ill? Or the small baileys I had yesterday?
He's still not bringing up wind so maybe that's it?

Urgh, how do I tell when he's unwell or not?! <bloody anxiety and worrying is driving me nuts!>

Passmethecrisps Thu 29-Nov-12 18:03:21

Yikes tits! Does he have a temperature? Is it not just likely that he is tired after growing? Maybe he just overate? Honestly though, I have no idea. I am sure other more useful people will have better advice.

Sensible tits is saying, sleepy after the growth spurt and wind has caused the vom, it was only once or maybe he just picked up a tummy upset, he has no temp or signs of dehydration ect so to watch him and see what happens.

Anxiety tits has decided he's uber poorly and needs medical attention stat blush

ValiumQueen Thu 29-Nov-12 18:09:41

tits mummy knows best. If you are worried, get him checked out. Is he tired like normal or lethargic? Peeing? Pooing? Has he vomited more than once? Temp? Fontanelle sunken? Dry mouth? Follow your instinct x

Passmethecrisps Thu 29-Nov-12 18:11:26

Damned split personality! It's exactly the same as the me who lies in bed listening to P gringing thinking "please go to sleep" then she goes silent so I creep to the end of the bed and poke her a bit to be sure she is breathing.

Not to worry - it will only be like this for the rest of our lives [big grin]

Passmethecrisps Thu 29-Nov-12 18:13:10

Good advice VQ.

How are you anyway? You're such a star with support for others - are you getting any more sleep?

It's hard to tel if sleepy or lethargic, he's had no sleep pattern since he's been born and we've had the several nights of screaming and screaming followed by last night of settled sleeping, he is snoring though. grin

No other symptoms, it's more the sudden force of the entire feed coming back at me, he's never done that before and it didn't even seem to bother him, he just looked a bit miffed and promptly went back to sleep on my shoulder.

I'm just going to nip into the shower baby sick in the hair/face isn't attractive then I'll see what happens, I'll wake him in a while for a feed and keep hawk eyed for any other symptoms.

The bigger part of me doesn't think he's ill, I don't want to call the dr to tell them my baby has been sick once , I think I just have mummy anxiety, I'm terrified of him breaking in anyway.

horseylady Thu 29-Nov-12 18:20:58

Pass hungry baby reads that it's more suitable for babies just before weaning (so from around4/5 months). Can she stop him feeding part way through? When e is getting worked up about feeding we give him a dummy and it calms him down before feeding. Not every feed but some are worse than others!!

Lane81 Thu 29-Nov-12 18:45:21

Thanks vq I was having a moment of extreme tiredness and was feeling very sorry for myself, really good to read your words and remind myself of all that I have.

TheDetective Thu 29-Nov-12 19:09:40

Tits Maybe just give NHS24 a ring for advice? In my experience you can't be over anxious when it comes to babies - they just can't tell you something is wrong!

Today, I have learned that my breast milk is very very sticky hmm. My left boob has a mind of its own. As soon as it is freed it starts dripping away. It literally pours out, and you can hear Oscar gulping trying to keep up with the flow! He doesn't even need to suck hmm. In fact, he lay underneath my boob with his mouth open and just let it drip in earlier. hmm Lazy boy!

I have also learned that there is no point running a bath. Ever. I ran one at 1.30pm. I have not been for it yet.

Oh, and, wise words VQ, very wise words.

I may go and empty the bath, and run a new one. Oscar has been dispatched to Daddy so I could eat my tea. Fajhitas was just too messy to manage with him in my arms! grin

Sophiathesnowfairy Thu 29-Nov-12 19:25:18

horsey I agree with all, don't worry, I am shit at breast feeding, stupidly I haven't taken the hint and have tried with three out of four of my DCs and not lasted very long with any of them, a record at four days this time! I didn't even try with DD2 as I had felt so much guilt at giving up with DD1 and actually, probably just fluke, but she is the healthiest and most balanced child out of all of them so far. Giving you a big hug, you have done the right ing and spending precious time being happy with your new baby is most important of all you will never get this time back and you need to be making happy memories.



KissysUnderTheMisteltoe Thu 29-Nov-12 19:26:28

Well said VQ

HV came today and did LO's hearing test, which she passed, so very happy about that. I was a bit worried about it beforehand, not sure why really. Also she's back up to her birth weight, so it's all good smile

Congrats to any new graduates!

Sophiathesnowfairy Thu 29-Nov-12 19:26:41

pass the only thing about hungry milk is I think it has a habit of causing constipation. Better to up his bottles I should imagine and may be advised to wean early.........from my limited knowledge.

Passmethecrisps Thu 29-Nov-12 19:44:24

Thanks horsey and sophia. She was advised to try to feed more and more often. My feeling is she maybe needs someone to watch her feed and guide her in how and when to pause him eating

YellowWellies Thu 29-Nov-12 19:49:54

Lovely words VQ - Horsey, Sophia I bet your wee ones are more settled now you are happier, our stress levels are pretty powerful stuff for the evicted bellydwellers.

Evilwater Thu 29-Nov-12 20:20:40

Tits- just see if its a one off thing. If he keeps vomiting, then call someone.

Horsey- my LO is not a good sucker, he has trouble with the bottle some days, and they said he would be a breast feeding star! hmm it got to the stage where he cried for 2 hours at night and DP drove to tesco and got FF. The midwife said that now tesco is open 24 hours, people tend to "find it easier". What was I surposed to do with a hungry baby,that had been crying for hours at 3am?? In fact I manged to pump off 5oz of breast milk, yesterday ( which is the same amount he drinks when having formula) he drank the lot and 3 oz of FF.

Now he is on FF, he is piling on the pounds, and is more alert, and feeling more satisfied. We got him the medula bottles to get him to work on his suck, and I try him on the breast, but it's just not working for him.
Yes I was up set with not being able to BF, but now I can go out, and he can have a stress free meal.

Now just to get the wind/ colic sorted......
See you all at 0200.

Yay we're home with Olivia! I WILL go back and catch up on the thread but have a quick question. When I had my epidural it seemed to instantly lengthen my epiglotis, making me gag because it now dangles down and touches the back of my tongue. Any idea why, or how I can get it to reduce in size?!

PetiteRaleuse Thu 29-Nov-12 21:05:03

Excellent post VQ

TheDetective Thu 29-Nov-12 21:12:10

I fell asleep in the bath blush.

PetiteRaleuse Thu 29-Nov-12 21:47:52

I would love to have a lovely long bath. As it is we only have a shower. Didn't think that through when we moved here.

Peaky1 Thu 29-Nov-12 23:17:47

Congrats Miss on getting home! I'm sorry to say I've never heard of the epiglottis being effected by an epidural! I hope someone can answer that for you. Have you googled it?

Hope everyone else is getting on ok.

StuntNun Thu 29-Nov-12 23:36:38

Pass is she holding the bottle too upright so the milk keeps coming with no break? Rather than holding it so the milk just covers the back of the teat allowing baby to pause while feeding? Other than that no clue I'm afraid. My MIL says her first used to bf until he was sick everywhere and then start again.

Chunkychicken Fri 30-Nov-12 00:00:59

Is your tongue swollen missL? Drink plenty so your not dehydrated.

GTbaby Fri 30-Nov-12 00:54:56

I am so angry. I think LO has tongue tie. When I mentioned it to mil she said. "Yeah I noticed but I didn't want to say" r u joking. U can comment on use of dummies, amount of gripe water we use, tightness of nappy, his outfit is not comfortable u don't move his head enough. But something is wrong with LO n we should get it checked, n this she can't tell us. I am fuming beyond belief.

Tongue tie would add to the list of things that meant bf didn't work. I feel guilty when I think about how things r easier because we r ff. regular like clock work. Can go out easier. Not being up all night. But I do feel Like I missed out on something. But then I think about some of u here who have had rough labours, LOs have had medical probs or as someone mentioned earlier some ladies who joined us but had to leave us earlier. N not bf doesn't seem very important. I don't want to dismiss my feelings or not acknowledge that's its hard and upsetting. However puts things in prospective.

Enough of my rambles I'm off to fume about mil stupidity.

Peaky1 Fri 30-Nov-12 02:17:42

It's Oooh so quiet....shhhh...shhhh....it's oh so still...

MadamGazelleIsMyMum Fri 30-Nov-12 02:18:10

Hello all. Just checking in really, this thread is moving fast! S is 4 weeks old tomorrow (later today). Survived my first day home alone with 2 small people. We didn't leave the house, but everyone got fed and dressed. Although there was an awful lot of Peppa Pig - am hoping there is a study somewhere which states that no toddler who watched a shed load of PP ever grew up to be a psychopath.

MissL - after my spinal for my section I had a strange sensation in my throat which felt similar to what you describe. At one point I was scared I had swallowed part of something which had "fallen down" from where it should have been. It righted itself after a couple of days, but if you are worried, see your GP.

ValiumQueen Fri 30-Nov-12 02:59:43

Both my girls speech really came on once the peppa pig thing was in their lives. My little girl is peppa pig, she tells me. Snort snort.

pass thank you, I am ok. Just. Better night tonight touch wood. DS is sounding very congested so may pop to dr just to get chest sounded. I think he is ok though. The girls are improving as is my cough. I was so disappointed yesterday as I wanted to go out christmas shopping with my mum but had sick kids instead.

I did get to go out briefly earlier in the week. Aldi and farm foods with J. Had a few folk admire him which was nice. Hurt my back though lifting the car seat.

No epiglotis issues here. Sounds horrid. Just tingle in back which is getting more frequent and more uncomfy. Plus head remains sore. BP variable according to stress. Need to see dr really.

Enjoying some peaceful night feeding with my bonus boy.

GTbaby Fri 30-Nov-12 03:25:27

Oh and tesco breast pads r quite similar to lansol ones. But cheaper. However I didn't leak loads so don't know if they r that great either way.

Right bk to sleep.

rowingdowntheriver Fri 30-Nov-12 04:12:02

This thread now moves so fast that I'm struggling to keep up with the daytime posts! Have plenty of time to keep up with the night time feeds!

vq, thank you for your lovely post earlier, it really made me think how lucky I am to have a healthy DS here with me. I know 3 people in rl who have had miscarriages recently, one is my DSis, one a good friend and another is an acquaintance who's LO was due at the same time as mine so very easy to compare what she would have had had the miscarriage not happened.

rowingdowntheriver Fri 30-Nov-12 04:13:28

Er, my first line of previous post makes no sense! I mean I have plenty of time to keep up with night posts due to the frequent night feeds!

Chunkychicken Fri 30-Nov-12 04:21:14

Feels like A hasn't been off my boob all night. Getting sore sad Sometimes its definitely comfort sucking so would use a dummy, but don't want to risk it until the tongue tie is resolved, as it might confuse issues/make his latch even worse. Bloody woman at the hospital either didn't email today or didn't cc me as she said she would angry

TheDetective Fri 30-Nov-12 06:29:40

A better night here finally!!!!

I came to bed at 9. Fed at 10,1,3,5 and still feeding now. Haven't even bothered looking at the Moses basket. We've just co-slept and apart from me being cold thanks to only pulling the duvet up to my tummy button, it's been much more successful.

Thank fuck! DP has just had over 7 hours unbroken sleep the lucky bastard! He better be grateful!

Think I'll go back to sleep after he has finished then get up after next feed! Might attempt some Christmas shopping today. Although just locally. Bum still as sore as ever. Grrrr. It really isn't improving and Oscar is a week old today! (Time flying so fast...!)

TheDetective Fri 30-Nov-12 06:31:19

Oh apart from this feed the others have been 30 min feeds as opposed to 2 hour feed fests!

PetiteRaleuse Fri 30-Nov-12 06:50:04

Agh. DD1 has a temperature and gastro. I hate November. Hoping the upcoming cold snap will kill everything off. Bloody childcare it's a nest of illness. Wouldn't mind but LO could do with some time off being ill.

pikz Fri 30-Nov-12 07:12:00

vq I've just sobbed good and proper. You are so right and as I look at my amazing bundle of little ewok lying here on me, he was the baby many told me I couldn't have. Like you I felt guilt at needing a c section because I feel like I've not done it properly, he's being fed on expressed as we found out yesterday he's tongue tied and I feel crap I can't breast feed.

So today on his 1 week birthday I'm going to try and marvel in his amazingness and not cry about what isn't in my head perfect.

tinyeyes123 Fri 30-Nov-12 07:23:31

Hello ladies.
Hope you don't mind if I join the gang. Had a bit of a surprise delivery when baby decided she wanted to arrive in November instead of January! She's in special care but doing really and will prob come home in a week or two. Need to start expressing as overnight my boobs have gone mental. Feel like I've had a boob job (bye bye piddly B-cups!)

We've had cbeebies on so much in the past three weeks that even ds knows the whole days schedule by heart hmm

Not a great night here, up a few times and lots of grunting/ snuffling in between because of her cold sad

horseylady Fri 30-Nov-12 07:50:34

Shit night here and not the baby!

I've just been projectile vommiting and water like poo. There is nothing left inside me. Just praying dh and ds don't get it. Not done anything for 4/5 hours now. Do you think im safe to help out yet or would you leave it? Feel so weak. What if ds gets it? What do I do?!

TheDetective Fri 30-Nov-12 09:06:32

Stay in bed, leave baby to Daddy Horsey. Sips of water, and rest.

I love Oscars windy smiles. They are the cutest! He must be full of wind this morning!!!

Passmethecrisps Fri 30-Nov-12 09:06:57

Welcome tiny. Wishing you are your LO all the best.

Passmethecrisps Fri 30-Nov-12 09:15:39

Sounds awful horsey. I second detective's advice to stay in bed. You need to get back to full health.

Pretty tough night here again. P is still really bothered by wind and constipation so she won't settle for hours. The ten o'clock feed went on until 2.30 then another between 5 and 6. I got her up at 8:30 as she was making such grunting noises that she was keeping us awake anyway.

Peaky1 Fri 30-Nov-12 09:17:57

Sorry Horsey i haven't got any certain advice but I'd say take whatever help you can get until you pick up a bit. Perhaps ring a health professional youtrust for advice.

Welcome Tinyeyes! Early eager baby for you but good to know things are going well. You mentioned expressing. I'm going to try my medela swing for the first time today as I want to slowly build up a freezer stock and work J up to taking the odd bottle from DP. My aim is to get out for a few hours one evening mid december to watch my friends in a theatre panto!

Any opinions on Medela Swing?

TheDetective Fri 30-Nov-12 09:50:18

I still can't believe the full force of love and awe I have for this little thing in my arms! I remember feeling it with DS1 but this time it is like it is in vivid colours as opposed to the fog of PTSD I had with DS1. I think it clouded the whole experience plus being as young as I was, I didn't appreciate everything for what it was.

This feels so different. Amazing really! It has strengthened the strong bond between me and DS1 also! I feel complete as a family. Like something has been missing. And finally it is here!

Jims Fri 30-Nov-12 09:52:02

pikz i just hired a medela symphony direct from medela as i've been expressing for F as he wasn't feeding properly and i didn't want my supply to drop.. It's amazing, i got as much in 5 mins as with an hour with the medela swing. It's £45 for 14 days inc all delivery and return charges and then £45 a month afterwards. I did it to tide me over till F has his tongue tie cut next friday. It's also reassuring to see quite how much comes off as presumably it's more like when F feeds.

We've been having a rough week, It turned out F had a urine infection which meant we were in hospital fri night and then sun-weds. He's getting better now and we're home with oral antibiotics rather than IV. That may have contributed to his not feeding as he just wouldn't wake up enough. I've been feeding. Topping up and expressing but so so nearly turned to formula so many times over the last week. I just felt like my supply was dropping and dropping in hospital and only using my swing pump. He's actually managing to feed from me again the last 24 hours, with fussing, so that's a relief. Hopefully the tongue tie snip will help with that. I still can't believe i was told by 2 midwives, the bf clinic at the hospital and a children's paed prof he didn't have a TT until it was finally checked properly by a junior dr on the kid's ward who was lovely and took me seriously.

Hope everyone else who's having a rough time is ok and that the babies all get better. And hope you feel better soon horsey

vq that was an amazing post earlier and so true.

Horsey and GTbaby - please don't beat yourself up about bf. I did that with DS1 and it spoiled some of the time when I should have been enjoying him. You tried, and that's what matters.

Pass - sounds very young to put him on hungry baby milk - it's generally meant for babies who are almost ready to be weaned rather than newborns. It may fill him up too much and he may not drink enough to gain weight then. Could be reflux, I can't think of any other reason why he would vomit so much. What does her HV say about it? Could she maybe try some infant gaviscon on his bottle foirst to see if that works instead?

Misslaughs- congrats on the arrival of your lo, im sorry you had a tough laboursad

Ds slept from 12.30 until 5.45 last night shock. In other news, my mother is still here. In her opinion, DS must be forced into a routine of feeding four hourly.she is also obsessed with wind. Ds almost gets his wind up by himself, if you just move him. This is not good enough. He must be poked and prodded and thrown around to make sure ALL the wind is up. Sigh.

Sophiathesnowfairy Fri 30-Nov-12 10:16:04

I love being at home with my kids. grin

Rather than at work, without them. sad

Evilwater Fri 30-Nov-12 10:23:37

A question on layers, I know that LO are supposed to have one more layer than us, but does the vest count?

My LO is into trousers and t- shirts. Do I need to get long johns for him???


Belgrano Fri 30-Nov-12 10:33:11

I keep trying to post and it keeps being rejected. Hello everyone welcome to newbies and hope all the bugs go soon

Belgrano Fri 30-Nov-12 10:34:01

Evil yes the vest counts. So vest top jumper/cardi shd do it if you are in a top and cardi...

Evilwater Fri 30-Nov-12 10:44:02

Thanks belgrano.!!

horseylady Fri 30-Nov-12 10:53:50

Well I'm up with dh.

Ds full of cold think I'll call the hv about everything.

Not been sick for 12 hours now. Feeling more human just weak sad I missed ds so much last night sad

Chunkychicken Fri 30-Nov-12 11:11:19

Fed A laying down most of last night because his cold is almost gone, and despite feeding almost all night (or so it felt) I feel less tired because I slept rather than MN'd... Had DD in bed with us too!!

Welcome tiny hope your LO keeps making good progress.

Feel better soon horsey.

Passmethecrisps Fri 30-Nov-12 11:48:59

Thank you for the advice for sister. I wonder if she needs more help feeding him. She also seems so feel he is feeding a lot but I think it's about right. Hay ho.

evil P still just lives in vests and baby grows. She gets a blanket if I feel chilly.

TheDetective Fri 30-Nov-12 12:24:28

Just put my mascara on mid feed. Awesome! Us women can multitask!

<Wondering if I have nipples of titanium...>

YellowWellies Fri 30-Nov-12 12:44:48

Pass I'd second what others have said about the hungry baby food. My DSIL recommended it as a way to knock out babies and get them to sleep and used it for her little boy who was on sleep strike from the 4 month sleep regression - but for such a small baby - really deep sleep is possibly dangerous - they're meant to sleep lightly to avoid sleep apnoea and SIDS. Also the constipation side effect was brutal even for a 4 month old - for such a little one - it'd be hellish. As others have said maybe she just needs some tips on feeding?

Tinyeyes welcome - and welcome to your impatient wee one! My sister had her daughter at 27 weeks last year - it is scary biscuits at times isn't it - if you have any worries about early baby stuff and life in the SCBU - please get in touch - she's on here and I can put you in touch. She's been through the works but her little girl is now a bouncing 15 month old and full of mischief.

Jonas slept from 12.15 til 5.15 shock the love is unconditional but man it's easier when you've had a bit of sleep. I luffs him even though it's like sharing a room with a puppy with all the snorts, whines and squeaks in the night. Just waiting for the HV to come and heft his pigletness onto the scales...

Elizadoesdolittle Fri 30-Nov-12 12:49:20

peaky I have swing. I used an avent one with DD1 but I lost a part to it so my friend lent me her swing. It's much better than my old pump, I get so much more out quicker. Still not the best at expressing but I don't mind doing it a couple of times a day if I have a moment.

jims sorry to hear your little one has been poorly but glad the infection has been treated.

I'm waiting on the result of a urine test for E. I've got to go back to the hospital on Sunday to get the results and get her weighed again. She seems to be quite sicky after feeds at the moment so I don't think she will have put on a satisfactory weight gain. Also got to have the heel prick done again as there wasn't enough blood for them to perform the tests. Oh joy!

YellowWellies Fri 30-Nov-12 12:55:35

Peaky I got a spectra 3 after someone (brain gone sorry can't remember which of you lovely ladies it was) recommended it. I really rate it - it's not as good as the hospital grade ones like the Ameda but my word for a home pump you get a lot of milk quickly. And it is super quiet so you can pump with the baby on the other boob without disturbing them. Though I tend to double pump during J's morning nap to get the most milk out. and scare the postman

Passmethecrisps Fri 30-Nov-12 13:16:49

I was also a spectra 3 girl. I didn't use it for long but it was a life saver while I was using it. In 15 minutes if double pumping I could get well over 200ml.

I am in my pre-pregnancy jeans! There is more of my arse outside of them than in them but that's not the point is it?

Afternoon all, still not had chance to catch up. How dare the baby interrupt my MNing.

Had a really good night last night, managed to get 7 hours sleep in total. She's currently having a good snooze so tht I can have a bath and get dressed.
We're going out for tea tonight so I may have to find an outfit that doesn't consist of trackie bottoms. I'm also going to have to experience public breast feeding for the first time, I'm betting I'll end up showing the whole pub my boob grin

daisychain76 Fri 30-Nov-12 13:45:50

Hi tiny and congrats. My LO was in special care for nearly 3 weeks and l still get a bit teary at times thinking about bits of it(he is 10 weeks on Monday) but once they are out it is amazing how quickly things get back to normal and they start to develop and grow