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Dashing through the snow... One escaped early, which December baby is next?

(996 Posts)
HoneyMum21 Tue 13-Nov-12 22:13:58

Getting the thread ready when all the Christmas puddings start making appearances...

pmgkt Tue 13-Nov-12 22:25:35

Marking my place.

MaMaPo Tue 13-Nov-12 22:56:31

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

MaMaPo Tue 13-Nov-12 22:58:02

Ignore that - I was in the wrong place! blush

emilyeggs Tue 13-Nov-12 23:00:35

Nestling in new thread grin

Secondsop Wed 14-Nov-12 00:34:53

emily this is going to be the postnatal thread, there's a new antenatal one that there wasn't room to link to in the old thread. I don't know how to link on my phone but it's at the top of the antenatal threads at present.

Mummycox Wed 14-Nov-12 07:20:12

Marking place

PurplePidjin Wed 14-Nov-12 07:50:10


Here we go smile

PurplePidjin Wed 14-Nov-12 07:50:40
HoneyMum21 Mon 19-Nov-12 18:50:48

waves hi pidj

emilyeggs Mon 19-Nov-12 19:11:27

Just thought I'd poke my head round to see how you two are getting on. Hands full I imagine, I'm jealous, by the time I get on hear I'm guessing everyone else will already be on hear. <goes away and sulks> envy

AlisonDB Wed 21-Nov-12 02:16:38

Marking place.

PurplePidjin Wed 21-Nov-12 19:59:08

I'm in!!!!!

Raphael Joseph 19/11/12 6lb2oz 8:06am

<waves to Honey and Dash>

<wonders who'll be next through the portal>


HoneyMum21 Wed 21-Nov-12 20:07:18

YAY! calls Dash, we have company!

Welcome pidj and raphael.

Dash is being a little bugger today (don't get any ideas rafa). DH is at work till 11 so I've just managed to get 2 minutes to make tea (toast and marmalade and a cup of tea). This may be a long night...

PurplePidjin Wed 21-Nov-12 20:38:49

I have a feeling the first of the night clusters has begun <winces> he's been asleep all day!

At least dp is here to take over cuddling when he won't be be put down - think he's quite looking forward yo it, actually, loving the skin to skin smile

Typing one handed while feeding!

WeeJo08 Tue 04-Dec-12 23:13:03

Oooooh! Found you guys! (I think!) Claudia Elizabeth, born 1st December 2012, at 3am, weighing 7lbs 2oz. So excited smile

PurplePidjChickIsNotTheMessiah Wed 05-Dec-12 16:55:56

I keep losing this thread, it's too easy to just dump everything on the antenatal one blush

Secondsop Wed 05-Dec-12 17:18:09

Marking my place!

Honeycantthinkofanxmasnickname Wed 05-Dec-12 17:23:10

Hi seconds and weejo

Honeycantthinkofanxmasnickname Wed 05-Dec-12 18:05:56

This probably sounds weird after all the complaining done while pregnant, but does anyone else miss being pregnant? Maybe it's because mine ended early and so suddenly but I do feel like I missed some of he experience.

Right I'm finally here! Feeling sorry for myself today tbh just want to give up on the breastfeeding I'm so fed up of pumping and in exhausted for what seems like nothing. Probably just over tired after dd had us up most the night.

Honeycantthinkofanxmasnickname Wed 05-Dec-12 18:18:45

Oh spotty. Unmumsnetty hugs. It is totally exhausting and I found pumping relentlessly a lot more tiring than when it came to actually exclusively breastfeeding. Hopefully you'll find it easier once felix is home so you can get into a routine with him. That being said, you do need to be rested and relaxed so if you decide bf is taking away from you enjoying your kids then stopping it isn't the end of the world- it wouldn't make you a bad mother! You know what's best for you,DD and felix. Hope that makes sense and doesn't come across as patronising!

ISpyDingDongMerrilyOnHigh Wed 05-Dec-12 18:29:03

Just checking in now I've found this thread.

Spotty - fwiw, I think it sounds like you're doing an absolutely amazing job but it must be utterly exhasting too. Every single day will have benefited Felix enourmously already and if you feel it's time to stop you shouldn't feel bad at all. Sending hugs and hope things get easier soon whatever you decide to do.

ISpyDingDongMerrilyOnHigh Wed 05-Dec-12 18:34:24

Honey - know what you mean about missing being pregnant. Think with me it might be because in all likelhood I won't be again - our little family is probably complete now. Of course nothing beats newborn cuddles and I quite like having a belly button that goes in again and even something resembling a waist, but I do really miss feeling him move and watching my bump grow bigger. He was lying on my front before and moving in exactly the same way he did before he was born, and it hit me a bit then. Think it is probably just hormones though and will pass.

Honeycantthinkofanxmasnickname Wed 05-Dec-12 18:46:09

Thanks ispy Like I say, I think with me it's mainly because everything happened so early and so quickly. I missed out on the last 6 weeks of pregnancy and I wasn't ready to have him yet. Then there was so much stress and nothing happened how we'd planned, and the birth was so quick I didn't really know what was happening. Then with him being whisked away and in scbu. It all feels like we've missed out on stuff.

PurplePidjChickIsNotTheMessiah Wed 05-Dec-12 18:53:39

Spotty, keep eating and drinking. Dp runs ultra marathons so is no stranger to food in volume, and even he's shock at the amount i need at the moment. My body is just about starting to adjust now.

<<<hug>>> Honey, i don't really know how you feel because i was ready, and had such a long labour, but i can pass the tisdues and make a hot chocolate for you brew

Honeycantthinkofanxmasnickname Wed 05-Dec-12 18:57:53

Thank you pidj just feeling a bit weepy about it all at the min.

PurplePidjChickIsNotTheMessiah Wed 05-Dec-12 19:20:49

Day 4 hormones. Your milk'll be coming in any minute. Let it all wash over you, mine passed in minutes - worst was 3:30am crying because i was such an awful mummy because i had to put him in his crib instead of letting him sleep on me, i was so tired I'd have squashed him. Totally illogical! You'll be shattered for about the next week, then you'll start to get into the swing of things. It's tough but we're strong wink

Thanks, I know this will be our last dc so I really want to bf I just feel it's making the whole process slower! I bet he'd be ready to go home sooner if I gave him a bottle. I don't even want to eat anything, I'm not hungry at all sad

honey I think lots of people miss being pregnant sometimes but I can imagine its a whole lot worse for you the whole thing must have been such a shock. I think you'll just need to give it time but a life changing event like this is always going to harbour strong feelings (thinking about dd's birth still makes me cry 2.5 years later but I definitely don't feel as sad about it as I did for the first year few months!)

ISpyDingDongMerrilyOnHigh Wed 05-Dec-12 19:47:24

Honey - I agree that it all happened so quickly for you in a such a different way to you planned that you are bound to still be in a bit of shock. Added to that the anxiety of Dash's time on SCBU then I think feeling weepy about things is pretty inevitable. It will seem better in time but that doesn't stop the way you're feeling now being completely normal/valid.

Sending <hugs>, brew and biscuit (can't remember if you're a dunker or not - sorry grin)

yuletopian99 Wed 05-Dec-12 20:53:17

Sending hugs honey and marking my place. Hope to earn a proper place on this thread in the next week or so!

Honeycantthinkofanxmasnickname Wed 05-Dec-12 21:51:45

Thank you. I was thinking I was just being silly still being upset by it smile

PurplePidjChickIsNotTheMessiah Wed 05-Dec-12 22:23:08

It's the milk hormones, make you think crazy guilt stuff!

SeymoreInOz Wed 05-Dec-12 22:45:02

Hi all! Can I join please? I was on some of the early antenatal threads, I'm glad I've found you here.

DS was born on 3rd December, weighing 8lb 6oz. I laboured for an hour at home and arrived at the hospital 6cm dilated. Less than hour later DS arrived in the birthing pool, it was very intense but a good 'last' birth.

DS has spent the first 4 days attached to my boobs and not really sleeping at all! My milk came in yesterday and I'm extremely tearful today. I just want to go home to my family. The ILs are here and are being so helpful but I just want my mum!!

honey have a hug and brew I'm not surprised you are feeling tearful and shell shocked. Keep talking about how you're feeling, it will get better.

Congratulations to all the December mums!

Honeycantthinkofanxmasnickname Wed 05-Dec-12 23:10:13

Congratulations seymore. Glad to have you back.

PurplePidjChickIsNotTheMessiah Wed 05-Dec-12 23:15:36

Congratulations, Seymore thanks

Bellaboo123 Thu 06-Dec-12 04:39:27

Hello all found you!

Just up bf aurelia, milk seems to have come in but in flowing better in one breast than the other - anyone else experiencing this?

honey brewbiscuit I think you're coping really well same to you spotty I take my hat off to you both. thanks

Welcome seymour

Honeycantthinkofanxmasnickname Thu 06-Dec-12 05:41:09

bella* my right boob flows much more easily than left one. Apparently it's quite normal!

Bellaboo123 Thu 06-Dec-12 08:07:39

Phew that's good to know - my right flows better too I'm right handed do you think that has anything to do with it?

Wow we've feed like clock work every three hours through the night. Midwife coming to weigh her etc today.

spotty have they given you any idea when Felix can come gome?

No, they never commit to anything. He's still on air at the moment with 0.03 of oxygen in it confused

Thanks pidj the rugby ball hold was really good for my right side and he fed so well he only needed half a top up feed. I thought it was a good latch as it didn't hurt but I still had lipstick nipple after hmm they're over staffed today though so hopefully can get some help I'm not sure why it's not working as the position of his mouth seems correct I can only assume its because he doesn't open his mouth wide enough?

Oh and the nurse called Felix her big fat boy angry

Honeycantthinkofanxmasnickname Thu 06-Dec-12 09:37:34

angry spotty. I hated it when the nurses called Dash a gannet!

Secondsop Thu 06-Dec-12 10:38:22

Hello, joining the thread properly now. Hello seymore, congratulations on your baby boy.

I'm reading all the breastfeeding comments with interest. I've managed to get little Z off formula and onto on-demand breastfeeding which I'm really pleased about - one advantage of being readmitted to
Hospital for my bp is that I've been able to seek extra breastfeeding support. It was a fractious time for both of us but he latches much better now. BUT he only seems to like the right breast. He'll take the left breast now and again but it's really really hard to get him to latch. Anyone else get this?

seconds have you tried fooling him with the rugby ball hold? Felix loved it when we tried last night

Honeycantthinkofanxmasnickname Thu 06-Dec-12 11:00:41

Is rugby ball when you put them under your arm?

I'm really worried about Dash. The midwife at the clinic the other day sari he should be making eye contact and tracking objects and our faces. I'm not convinced he even consciously looks at us yet. I put it down to him not actually being due till Saturday but she's got me worried. Are your LOs already making conscious eye contact?

Yes it is I laid him on a cushion.

Your mw is wrong. You can expect Dash to do things at his corrected age. Dd didn't smile until nine weeks and the dr had already told me not to expect it until ten weeks as she was four weeks early. I think by the time it comes to crawling etc you probably won't notice any difference but in these early things you will.

Honeycantthinkofanxmasnickname Thu 06-Dec-12 11:16:19

Thank you spotty smile

ISpyDingDongMerrilyOnHigh Thu 06-Dec-12 11:18:11

Morning everyone.

Welcome Seymore and congratulations.

Honey - sorry to hear you're worried. Did the mw say any more/seem concerened or was it more of a passing observation? Would you be able to speak to her again?

We've got the mw coming today too to do the heel prick test and check weight. Feeding seems to be going well (lots of wet nappies as well as plenty of mustard-coloured poos, he's alert, content after feeds etc) but I'm just a bit worried about the amount of posseting. DS1 did posset too, but I don't remember it being so much/so early. It's pretty much after every feed. It doesn't seem to bother him but he wants to feed again as soon as it's happened.

The nappies suggest that something must be going through, and I'm presuming that if everything was coming back up he'd be either screaming for food all the time or completely listless, which he isn't. I'm hoping he's just adjusting to my milk coming in but will speak to the mw anyway.

ISpyDingDongMerrilyOnHigh Thu 06-Dec-12 11:45:04

X-posts - Spotty speaks sense.

Felix (yes, another one!) was born at 11.10 this morning, will catch up later!

Honeycantthinkofanxmasnickname Thu 06-Dec-12 13:07:59

Congratulations eggnog

PurplePidjChickIsNotTheMessiah Thu 06-Dec-12 13:32:30

Congratulations, Michelle thanks

Secondsop Thu 06-Dec-12 15:51:26

Oh brilliant congratulations eggnog

ISpyDingDongMerrilyOnHigh Thu 06-Dec-12 16:52:54

Congratulations Eggs thanks.

MW not coming until tomorrow now but we've had a couple of feeds with no posseting (as well as a mahoosive poosplosion) so feeling a bit happier about things. Also, thanks to whoever it was (Pidge I think) who suggested a muslin smelling of mummy in the moses basket. He's had two really decent naps in there today and fx he might sleep there for at least some of tonight.

Bellaboo123 Thu 06-Dec-12 21:33:03

Congrats eggs and welcome Felix

We had the heel test and weigh in today, she'd lost 5% of her birth weight and the MW said she thinks we're both doing excellently which was nice of her to say.

Cord fell off today yay!

spotty has Felix got a slight tongue tie? Aurelia has and I can get the lipstick nipple sometimes which they say can be linked...just a thought. Fx he's home with you soon.

We're having bright toxic orange poo-slosions now anyone else? MW said normal! Unbelievable!!!

PurplePidjChickIsNotTheMessiah Thu 06-Dec-12 21:36:25

I hada couple of days of fluorescent orange, now back to green/yellow confused

Bellaboo123 Fri 07-Dec-12 01:36:11

Seems like we're back to green and brown too...rainbow coloured poo! wink

I don't think so Bella dp has one though hmm

Most the time my nipple is just a bit more pointy than usual does that still mean the latch is bad? They're talking about us going home Monday trying not to get too excited though. He had his first bf without a tube top up and only started stirring when I went down after three hours!

SeymoreInOz Fri 07-Dec-12 07:11:08

Congratulations eggnog!

DS did a huge poo on me right after he was born (apparently because it was so fast). That was Monday and he hasn't had a poo since! The MW isn't worried but he seems a bit uncomfortable. I'm still feeding/holding all the time and it is getting quite tiring now!

Bellaboo123 Fri 07-Dec-12 07:46:54

That's great news spotty here's hoping he's home on Monday. How's you're DD ear infection has she been able to meet Felix yet?

seymour I'm laying here too with A dosing on my chest, so adorable but so tiring too, totally understand!

Dd came in for about ten minutes the other day but the next day her cough returned full force! She's so sad she can't see him but hopefully it won't be long. She hasn't finished her antibiotics for her ear yet but I think that's pretty much cleared up. All I can smell is breast milk confused

RarelyUnreasonable Fri 07-Dec-12 08:17:52

Hello, I was on the antenatal thread back in the very beginning (namechanged from iss imma). Would love to rejoin for postnatal support and tales about our gorgeous babies.
Ds2 was born 2 weeks ago (early as elcs). He sleeps by day and feeds by night.
Breastfeeding going ok (tingly leaky boobs though). Am in shock as dc1 and I just couldn't do it, and very relieved.
DH been on paternity leave so toddler care has been ok, and DM is coming up tomorrow - v lucky. Not really in pain, but struggle to manoeuvre myself and trying to take it v easy. Tbh, natural delivery recovery was harder!
And a smug boast - I wore non-mat clothes yesterday grin.

WeeJo08 Fri 07-Dec-12 08:22:23

Morning everyone!

Remembered to post on this board! Hope everyone's doing okay. We had a lovely day yesterday after an awful day on Wednesday - I think I cried for the entire day! (Or that's what it felt like!) It didn't matter that I knew it was the hormones, I was just so upset at everything. I coincided with my milk coming in more so at least I felt better yesterday as I wasn't crying non-stop AND had more milk! I was also so, so sore on Wednesday but yesterday (and today) I feel much better.

This breastfeeding business is challenging, isn't it?? I bet it was a man who decided to call it "natural" and not send the memo to our boobs or our babies. I have managed to express this morning - think I've got just over 50 ml - no idea if this is good or bad?! Going to be strict today and do it every 2 hours...try to build up a stock. Claudia is feeding better on the breast, but still isn't entirely satisfied I don't think.

We had a lovely and very helpful visit from the midwife yesterday (even though we had to do the horrible heel prick test) - she weighed Claudia and told us that she is doing really well and is now up to 3% of her birth weight so we're delighted with that. She also echoed what you said, Pidj and said the paediatrician should not have weighed her when he did as it was only Day 2. She was also shock that I was not offered any breastfeeding help or advice at the hospital, even though we were in for 2 days. She was very helpful though and helped me with positioning (you have to be quite forceful, dont you?) and I feel that Claudia is a little bit happier when feeding now.

Spotty You are doing amazingly well, it is fantastic how much you have managed to give Felix so far, but remember a happy Mum = a happy baby - you need to not be exhausted for when your wee man comes home! Which he will do very, very soon. By the way, did you get your heating fixed?

Congratulations Eggs!

Bellaboo Claudia's cord fell of yesterday too!

PurplePidjChickIsNotTheMessiah Fri 07-Dec-12 09:40:37

Congratulations, Rarely/Issima thanks

Men just don't seem to appreciate that we really do have to teach babies everything, including all this "natural" stuff. Walking and talking are natural and look how long that takes!

Tried co sleeping last night. 2x 2 hours sleep and my back is killing me hmm feel like i slept in the luggage compartment of a train, I'll be putting him in his crib tonight!

RarelyUnreasonable Fri 07-Dec-12 10:02:30

We are cord-free too grin.

DS feeds every 2 hrs throughout the night and every 4 hrs throughout the day. Any tips on how to swap this? Or is it a waiting game? Co-sleeping as well, as he screams in his cot, despite it being a bedside one! Seems to need boob in his face to nod off. He also latches on well in the day, but fusses, cries and struggles in the night. You'd think nature would set their body clocks better!

Yes thanks WeeJo smile

Well Felix is still feeding every 3-4 hours he just needs to stay off the oxygen another 26 hours and we can go on Sunday so if everyone could cross their fingers?!

rarely if it was me I would try feeding every three hours in the day, that's just me though. Felix also fusses and cries every time I try getting him to latch, he's also a really noisy feeder!

ISpyDingDongMerrilyOnHigh Fri 07-Dec-12 11:37:23

Congratulation Rarely and welcome back thanks. Lovely that bf is going so well and envy re the non-maternity clothes!

Spotty - great to hear that they're talking about Felix coming home. Will keep everything crossed for you.

Mw has just been - Nathaniel has put 5oz on!!! Tbh, think there might be a little bit of discrepancy between the scales as it seems a lot, but just so pleased esp given posset situation. He was also v brave for his heel prick.

Honeycantthinkofanxmasnickname Fri 07-Dec-12 11:50:27

Just had 6 week check up and all good smile

Was that for both you and Dash honey? Glad everything is going well smile

Honeycantthinkofanxmasnickname Fri 07-Dec-12 14:30:14

Yeah spotty for both of us. smile Dash weed all over the dr too!

PurplePidjChickIsNotTheMessiah Fri 07-Dec-12 18:39:51

Tonight we will be wetting the baby's head... How bad is a small glass of bubbly when bfing? hmm

Honeycantthinkofanxmasnickname Fri 07-Dec-12 18:47:29

Absolutely fine pidj. At our bf workshop they said you can drink about the same amount as if you were driving. I don't drive but can guess! They also said slightly more is prob fine but a hangover doesn't mix with a newborn!

Have fun pidj smile dp is doing the same tonight I think with his brothers and dad

PurplePidjChickIsNotTheMessiah Fri 07-Dec-12 19:34:07

Teehee, large one it is grin

Honeycantthinkofanxmasnickname Fri 07-Dec-12 19:42:54

Go for it pidj you deserve it smile

Secondsop Fri 07-Dec-12 20:30:32

spotty I have everything crossed for you.

So, I was back in hospital on Tuesday with high blood pressure (Zach was with me). After an utterly miserable couple of days in the hospital I was let out last night at 11.15pm on the basis that I'd have daily bp checks including a visit from the community midwives today. But they haven't come. I really don't want to take myself to the labour ward tonight of my own volition because all they'll do is monitor me on the existing medication and i can quite happily stay at home till tomorrow if no changes will be made to my care tonight. I'm sure spending time in hospital wouldnt help my bp one bit. Yesterday I got really worried and frightened at what it was doing to my mental health and the thoughts that were crossing my mind, and a lovely friend had to ring me to talk me down from completely freaking out. I feel like I'm really struggling. My husband is being amazing and so supportive and he loves the baby so much, but I feel like I'm a complete wreck who is failing to cope. I can't understand why I feel this way. We have a beautiful, perfect baby that we wanted so badly, but why am I so weepy, and why do I sometimes feel so disengaged from him?

Honeycantthinkofanxmasnickname Fri 07-Dec-12 20:56:44

Oh seconds sorry you're feeling so down. How many days is it since you had Zach? It is really tough- no matter how much the baby is wanted and how well behaved they are. Plus with all the extra stress you're facing its no suprise you're feeling low. I know (from experience ) how quickly some people will jump on pnd but feeling down doesn't mean that's what it is and even if it did come to that it can be dealt with. At the moment take one day at a time and talk to someone you trust about how you're feeling - whether it's a dr, midwife or nurse. As long as it took me to believe it they actually do want to help and won't judge you but they will l ow how to help. PM me if I can help at all

PurplePidjChickIsNotTheMessiah Fri 07-Dec-12 20:59:41

Seconds, is your milk coming in? Your hormones have been seriously fucked around by growing an entire new member of the species. Talk to your dh, and tell your mw how you feel in case of pnd.

As long as both you and baby are healthy nd thriving, you're doing a brilliant job. The simple fact that you're worried about this makes you a fantastic mummy brew

WeeJo08 Fri 07-Dec-12 22:19:22

Secondsop I completely agree with what everyone's said and would also add I think you are coping amazingly well. I was in tears for basically all of Wednesday and I don't have to cope with the added stress of high BP & a stay in hospital! Your worrying is totally natural, but Zach is doing brilliantly & you love him so much...which is exactly (and all!) he wants. thanks

Be gentle on yourself x

Secondsop Fri 07-Dec-12 23:14:07

honey pidge weejo thank you for your posts. Zach was born 8 days ago. Yes my milk is coming in. It is really reassuring to be told that auch feelings are not abnormal and also your suggestions about talking to someone. i've not reallly hit it off with the community midwife but will see how I feel at the next visit. failing that i've got an appointment with my gp next week.

As well as the general hormones effect, i'm sure it's the blood pressure business that is really contributing to me being off whack because I didn't feel anything like this bad before I had to stay in hospital again. It was that hospital stay that really left me feeling truly despondent. I just don't see how I would possibly cope with another stay especially looking after the baby in there too - I don't want to be separated from him but the stress of looking after a whole other human by myself (even though my husband spent every hour there with me that he could) was awful. If they try to make me go back I'll say this to them - my mental health is surely an aspect of my care that they have to consider isn't it?

SeymoreInOz Sat 08-Dec-12 05:08:51

seconds I hope you can avoid another hospital stay. It's hard enough adjusting to a newborn in the comfort of your own home with DH on hand!

I had a major case of the baby blues on day 4 and thought I was ok yesterday until I snapped at DH and then spent the night blubbing! I'm on DC3 now but because of the big gap it feels like DC1 all over again. I remember reading something in the Practicing Midwife that really summed it up. First time mums go through a major life change, from a known self in a known world, to an unknown self in an unknown world. You literally grieve for your old life and the old you, and that's normal! It gets better of course, but it would have helped me to expect those feelings the first time around.

We've had a few firsts now. DS slept in his cradle (whoop) and the unmbilical clamp has gone. DH tried some skin to skin with DS, with his ear over his heart. DS looked so happy remembering his time on the inside!

pidj I hope the champers went down well! I'm having some tonight! grin

seconds sorry you're feeling so crap. Agree with everyone else though (not sure I can add to it). Being in hospital is horrendous with a newborn it's such hard work and the small things like not having your own bathroom/kitchen/bed make it even worse. Definitely tell a mw or dr how you're feeling as the stress won't be helping. Maybe ask them their plan if your bp doesn't go down so you know what to expect thanks

Bellaboo123 Sat 08-Dec-12 07:07:56

Keep you're chin up seconds you're doing great and I echo what everyone else has said- talk if you need to but make the hospital aware too. They may be able to work something out for you.
If it makes you feel better i was a teary emotional wreck yesterday, poor DP couldn't do anything right

RarelyUnreasonable Sat 08-Dec-12 08:18:34

Virtual tea, coffee, wine, flowers and presents to seconds. I bet once you're away from hospital, things will start to feel better. Take things a day, or even an hour, at a time. This too shall pass!

spotty hope baby gets home soon!

pidg I added prosecco to the breastfeeding mix yesterday. Made a glass last all afternoon but was v reassured to read the advice here.

Have a good weekend all. DM arrives today as DH back to work soon and I'm trying to do as little as possible post-section. Feel like a bad mummy to toddler dd as cant lift her and am always feeding baby, but she's getting lots of attention elsewhere and I guess she won't remember these weeks soon...

MaMaPo Sat 08-Dec-12 08:22:25

Hello all - I just survived my first night at home and my baby is ok! And I got more sleep than I had since the birth at midnight wed! Feeling a bit smug. Baby is now fast asleep on husband's bare chest - he snores, she snuffles I worry that her last feed ended 3 hours ago shouldn't I be doing this again!?! .

My back is killing me. Stupid incision in my abdominal muscles.

Everyone sounds like they're doing marvellously. Well done to everyone solving the challenges of bfing.

Now - time to remember the whole 'sleep when baby sleeps' thing and try for a nap.

MaMaPo Sat 08-Dec-12 08:25:35

Sorry - Meant to make special mention to Seconds - it sounds like you've been dealt a rough hand but are managing as well as can be expected. I echo everyone else, though, about talking things over with someone/anyone. Everyone is on your side. Good luck and be kind to yourself.

mamapo I know ds is in special care so it's a bit different but they say not to let them go more than five hours smile

MaMaPo Sat 08-Dec-12 09:07:41

Thanks Spotty! I hope things are progressing well for your little family.

We might be allowed home tomorrow! grin

Bellaboo123 Sat 08-Dec-12 09:46:04

Yay spotty keeping fingers crossed!

I had a glass of red yesterday and it was yummy!!! grin

Honeycantthinkofanxmasnickname Sat 08-Dec-12 10:12:21

Yay spotty. Fingers crossed.

SeymoreInOz Sat 08-Dec-12 22:50:00

Spotty I've got everything crossed for you!

I chickened out of a glass of champers in the end because DS is still co-sleeping all night. He has been doing daytime naps in the cradle but can't seem to settle in it at night. I've been using rolled up blankets to make him feel more snug in the cradle during the day, but I daren't leave them in there at night. Think I'll ask the midwife about it on Monday.

Erm...hello everyone. Checking in with my ds2, Ethan Timothy. Born at 10.40pm on 8th dec 2012.

MaMaPo Sun 09-Dec-12 02:17:57

Congrats Stacey!

So my smugness from last night is coming back to bite me - C wont go down at all. Have been feeding more or less constantly since 10pm and she fed hourly for most the day with 2 3 hr stretches of sleep. Is this related to my milk coming in? I feel a bit wretched.

Secondsop Sun 09-Dec-12 02:38:09

Congratulations stacey!

Congratulations Stacey! Excellent news Spotty, fingers crossed for Felix!

We are also still struggling to settle him down, DH woke me at 2 to feed him, as he was screaming, refused to latch on, and eventual stopped screaming after 30min of cuddling and is now sleeping on my chest, but no clue why he was screaming. These babies are far more complicated than eating/pooing machines!

Bellaboo123 Sun 09-Dec-12 03:16:06

Congrats stacey that seemed quick? winethanks

Bellaboo123 Sun 09-Dec-12 03:18:50

eggnog and mama I had a night like that a few days ago...10-4 feeding what felt like continuously. Seemed to be a blip and was in more of a pattern from then on fx same applies for you both smile

bella it was indeed, 3 hrs 10 minutes from first pain to him being born! shock

We are having settling problems too! We're in the rooming in room tonight so just Felix and I. He's only just settled after his 2am feed after lots of fussing, a poo, more fussing, sucking on my finger, finally taking the dummy. Have to feed him again at six at the latest so best get to sleep!

Looking forward to your birth story Stacey grin

Spotty it's over on the ante natal thread. Ethan has been feeding since 2 on and off. But his blood sugars are good so I don't care.

Fed him at 11pm and he still won't feed now, screaming again for the last 45mins, his voice has started to go horse. DH has taken him upstairs, I'm starting to look fraught. Annoying thing is he his rooting for my nipple, then spitting it out without sucking... They are dripping with colostrum they are that full. Going to call the local MW helpline if still not fed by 6.

MaMaPo Sun 09-Dec-12 04:35:15

Eggs, and here I am with opposite problem - still. Bloody. Feeding. She gets tired and confused and has trouble latching on, but manages and then here we are again - round and round in circles. After this I might try more concerted effort to put her down - up to now I have just been going straight back to feeding. But I'm so exhausted.

Eggs, that sounds really tough. Good luck.

Mamapo this is going to sound terrible, but I am relieved I am not the only one struggling. I knew it would be hard but didn't expect poor feeding, refusal to be put down, persistent screaming all at the same time in the middle of the night, they really do pick when you are most vulnerable!

MaMaPo Sun 09-Dec-12 05:04:27

I know just what you mean, eggs. It's very badly designed - put a woman through a difficult labour (everyone's is difficult to an extent), then place unbelievable demands on her. I'm finding myself forgetting that I had abdominal surgery 4 days ago and need to be careful of the wound - I'm constantly bending, picking her up, getting in awkward positions. Bloody ridiculous.
My husband has had a good nights sleep though. Fat lot if good it does me though.
Haven't had a visit from community mw yet - they're definitely getting a call in a few hours.

PurplePidjChickIsNotTheMessiah Sun 09-Dec-12 05:08:44

Congratulations Stacey thanks

When were you discharged home Mamapo? They have to visit with in 24hrs, they balled up the communication with me, com MW being told I was still in hospital on Friday so wasn't seen until yesterday, an incident report is being submitted! He has been asleep for a hour now, but still not eaten for 7hrs so going to brave waking him for a feed, wish me luck!

SeymoreInOz Sun 09-Dec-12 06:13:51

Congratulations Stacey!

Sorry there are a few of us feeding all the time. DS is stretching his feeds out a bit since my milk properly came in, but there are still long periods at night where I'm feeding constantly or being used as a human dummy! I've got enormous cracks on both nipples.

DS is sleeping on me now so I thought I'd post my birth story:

The first "sign" of labour happened at 11pm on Sunday night. I'd been sat on the sofa talking to my mum on the phone for about half an hour. When I stood up my back was really sore on the left side, I thought I'd been sitting funny but I could only relieve the pain with hard rubbing. It passed eventually and I got into bed around midnight. I started drifting in and out of sleep around 2am because of a few painful BH, but I'd had that for weeks so thought nothing of that either!

Just before 3am I felt a snapping sensation and knew my membrane had gone. I got up and put on a pad and made myself a huge bowl of cereal. The gradual trickle of water turned into a bit of a flood so I called my MW who was luckily in the birthing centre already. She asked me to come in for monitoring. DS had a good trace but I only had 3 mild contractioms so I was sent home at 4am to get established. The MW said to come back when the contractions were 5 mins apart.

DH called a taxi at the front desk, it took ages and while we were waiting the contractions got more painful and were around 10 mins apart. I was tempted to just go back to the birth centre but I was hoping to see the DCs when they got up. Eventually the cab got us home at 5am and I spent the next 2 hours huffing through contractions every 10 mins until the DCs got up. I was able to tell them the baby's coming and we're off to the hospital when suddenly the contractions ramped up to every 2/3 mins. DH called another cab and I was really vocal on that journey. I could see the driver giving me nervous looks but I was in too much pain to tell him my water had already broken!

I was admitted back into the birthing centre at 7:20am, I was 6cm dilated so got straight into a lovely hot birthing pool and was handed the gas and air. The contractions were very intense and although I tried not to, there was lots of "I can't do this." And "I want an epidural!!" The midwives were lovely and encouraged me to make as much noise as I wanted. At 8:19am DS was born into the water, a little bit shocked by the speed of delivery, so he had some oxygen while I held him in the pool. I honestly thought we might be having a girl, so he was a lovely surprise. I called my mum in the UK before they'd even delivered the placenta. Not long now till she gets to meet him!

WeeJo08 Sun 09-Dec-12 06:47:18

Congrats Stacey! thanks Welcome to the world Ethan! I'm heading over to antenatal now to read your story! smile

Am sitting here expressing. Have just fed her some expressed milk & some from me, so she seems to have settled again. Totally agree about the feeding difficulties - I'm having a problem with Claudia's latch, it doesn't seem very effective and then she just slips off, then cries and it's really hard to get her back on again. I am also doing exactly what I said I wouldn't do and beating myself up about the formula - I know (on the logical side of my brain) that that's what the paediatrician told us to do in order for her to gain weight but I now feel myself getting quite worried about it, even though I am weaning her off that and trying to express/feed her my milk as much as possible. I always said I would try my absolute best but if things didn't work/circumstances dictated then I would just go with the flow....which I'm not. I should be happy that she is gaining weight and seems happy - not being cross with myself. Can't help it though. Aaaaaarrrgghhhh!

Sorry for rant. Hope everyone else has managed to settle now smile

Spotty Keeping everything crossed that you & Felix for get home today!

Mamapo Do try to rest when you can....a caesarean is major surgery!! If DH got a good night's sleep then maybe today you can get some rest during the day?

Bellaboo123 Sun 09-Dec-12 07:31:36

mama and eggnog is there a breast feeding drop in clinic you can go to? I did and also called the 24hr midwife number and found then both really helpful.

Try and get some rest today, no doubt you're feeling like zombies.

Anyone any thoughts on when I could start combining expressing? It's just that I'd like DP to be able to be involved? We've got a really good latch (touch wood) and seem to be established feeding...is it too soon after a week?

WeeJo08 Sun 09-Dec-12 08:01:15

Bella I don't really have any advice, only what I've done - I've been expressing since Wednesday & am finding it quite hard BUT I think that's because Claudia hasn't had a great latch & has been a bit confused because she had to go on the formula for a bit.

Honeycantthinkofanxmasnickname Sun 09-Dec-12 08:34:47

bella Dash had bottles in scbu then whrn we and home we had a week of just BF then introduced bottles of expressed milk. Hth.

weejo don't know if it might help but when Dash was having trouble staying on the boob the scbu nurse gave us a nipple shield which really helped as it gives them more to get hold of. Maybe worth a try? (If recommend the medela ones- the kiddicare website has them with free next day delivery)

Bellaboo123 Sun 09-Dec-12 09:03:42

Thanks honey I may give it a try - gulp!

Called the 24hr midwife at 7.00, they were very reassuring, apparently it the screaming and sporadic feeding is the babies was of getting me to produce more milk (evil plan!). It gave me an odd inner strength to put him in his Moses basket and ignore him, only picked him up since to offer boob and change his nappy. Bella I'm going to look into the breast feeding groups, our local sure start is fantastic with lots of support available.

Seymore the pool is amazing isn't it, I hadn't set my heart on using it, but so glad I did.

MaMaPo Sun 09-Dec-12 09:54:25

Eggs, sounds like they were helpful. Hopefully he has calmed, managed to feed and you're now asleep!

My little miss deigned to fall asleep on my chest at about 6 (after lots of attempts to put her down) and slept for 90 mins with me,
Then almost another 2 hours lying on my husband! So I at least got some sleep. He's about to call the hospital to inquire about the community mw - I was discharged on Friday about 7pm so they're late if there's a 24 hr scheme. I did give birth in a different borough than I live, as a private patient, so maybe that had an impact.

Meanwhile, she feeds again...

WeeJo08 Sun 09-Dec-12 13:42:52

Thank you honey I think I will have a look on the Kiddicare website this afternoon then - might just get it anyway and then if things improve a bit and I don't use it then that's fine, but at least I'll have it.

Bella and Eggs My friend recommended one of our local breastfeeding groups to me last night - going to try one this week I think, she said it was super. The same friend also gave me the contact details of a lactation consultant that she used as she had problems for a long time (baby had tongue tie that took three times to get sorted)

Honeycantthinkofanxmasnickname Sun 09-Dec-12 13:57:26

I would say go for the small size. I tried a medium and was far too big for baby mouths!

WeeJo08 Sun 09-Dec-12 15:19:33

Thank you smile

We are eating again!!! It's every hour and very weak for 10mins at a time, but the resulting wet/poo nappies has relieved my anxieties.

I have pâté, Brie and champagne for my tea!!!

We only feed for ten minutes at a time too I wish he would do a good twenty!

Bellaboo123 Sun 09-Dec-12 17:45:30

Omg I must have a greedy Hutson my hands...we feed for min 30mins to 45mins...perfect for MN-ing lol

Glad things seem to be settling all round.

spotty did they let Felix go home?

Bellaboo123 Sun 09-Dec-12 17:56:32

Guts...bloody auto correct!

No not until tomorrow! The doctor who said we could go today got it wrong. At least we're in a room together though and the nurses are leaving us to it. I keep going down to the nursery though because I'm lonely grin

They do weighing tonight so I'm a bit worried that he will have lost weight and they won't let us go! He's only been feeding 3-4 hourly

MaMaPo Sun 09-Dec-12 19:50:02

Good news all-round for everyone - except Spotty, for today anyway, but I have my fingers crossed for some healthy weight gain.

Little C has had a good day - managed the proper milk-coming-in pretty well (although maybe it's not done? Breasts are large and heavy and full, but there's no sensation of 'milk coming down'... maybe that comes later? After my dreadful night I got another couple of hours of sleep.

Wow, these hormonal changes are insane, right? At the moment I can't think about the birth or my husband without getting into complete floods of tears. Weird - it's not sadness or anything definable, just strong emotion. My husband has dealt with me with aplomb as I lie on the bed next to him sobbing and telling him he has to understand how much I love him.blush

Deep breath. Maybe I'll regain some form of sanity tomorrow.

How frustrating Spotty, but at least he has progressed well, good luck for the weigh in.

We were feeding for 45min+ every 4hrs but just from last night, he has started 'grazing' with a couple of big hour long feeds. My boobs have gone rock solid, thinking that means the milk is here, it's literally pouring out, Felix has it all over his face by the end of a feed, and I have it down my belly, we look a proper mess!

Tomorrow is day 5, I'm waiting for the hormone induced break down to start, luckily my SIL is visiting tomorrow, she will look after me! Think DH had his hormonal breakdown today, threw a tantrum because we didn't have our usual roast chicken lunch!

WeeJo08 Sun 09-Dec-12 22:23:10

Well Spotty, how did the weigh in go for Felix?

MaMaPo Sun 09-Dec-12 23:04:53

Seem to be replicating last night - will anticipate being glued to C for next 7 hours.

Mw tomorrow hopefully - here, they visit 48-72 hrs post discharge.

They've weighed him but his notes are in the nursery so I've got to wait until I see them again which will be about half six in the morning! They told me what he was but I've already forgotten and I definitely can't remember what he was last time!

Oh she just came back. He's now 3.840 he's lost 50g since Wednesday (which is when we started on demand bf) so I think that should be ok?

PurplePidjChickIsNotTheMessiah Sun 09-Dec-12 23:31:05

That's 8lb3oz, Spotty, 2lb heavier than R smile

Honeycantthinkofanxmasnickname Sun 09-Dec-12 23:31:06

I was told to expect some loss when switching to demand bf spotty just while they get used to it

We're any one elses babies really sleepy for the first few days? Ethan just wants to sleep all the time. He only wakes every 5 hrs or so and if I try waking to feed he's just not interested!

That's 5oz up on his birth weight in two weeks shock

It must be expected mustn't it honey as they seem to stuff them full when tube feeding?

Now if only he'd go back to sleep.... Zzzzzzz

Bellaboo123 Mon 10-Dec-12 00:06:38

Stacey all A did was sleep for the first 3 days at least, I'd had to wAke her up for feeds as sometimes she cld sleep 5/6 hours! I found changing her nappy before feeding helped liven her up for her feed.

My milk isn't 'gushing' and I'm generally hardly leaking at all...is any one else the same?

Bellaboo123 Mon 10-Dec-12 00:07:30

That sounds positive spotty fx for tomorrow...and some sleep tonight!

MaMaPo Mon 10-Dec-12 00:24:54

Bella, no gushing or leaking here either.

My baby slept a lot until yesterday which was day. 3. Now I'd gladly have more of that.

Right - it seems sleeping in the cot is ok during the day but an affront and indignity at night. Chest sleeping is the only acceptable option.

PurplePidjChickIsNotTheMessiah Mon 10-Dec-12 00:34:20

Same here, mama sad

MaMaPo Mon 10-Dec-12 00:38:07

About the sleeping, Pidj? Do you reckon it's ok? I know I'm going to drift off too and just would like some reassurance about that (if it can be given). I think it's high time I saw the mw tomorrow - maybe need to make a list of questions.

Thanks for the reassurance the midwives at the hospital seemed to think his sleepiness wasn't normal! hmm I thought he prob just needed a little time to adjust to life on the outside. Plus he's always been a night owl anyway, he fed most of last night and has fed on and off since 12.

And like you mama he's happy to sleep anywhere during the day but try and out him in the crib now and all hell breaks loose! Lol

Oh and he finally weed earlier so we shouldn't have to go back to hospital! Yay.

Bellaboo123 Mon 10-Dec-12 03:25:30

We're feeding every 2 hours tonight...need zzzzzz

1/2 hr in crib and now back on me. Hes bringing up mucusy stuff though so his poor tummy mustn't be comfy.

MaMaPo Mon 10-Dec-12 04:47:41

Half an hour is impressive! C lasts about 3.5 minutes.

Bellaboo123 Mon 10-Dec-12 05:05:14

We're all having fun tonight!

Just screamed the house down over a nappy change. Oh the newborn joys I had forgotten. Funny how DH can 'sleep through it'

PurplePidjChickIsNotTheMessiah Mon 10-Dec-12 06:05:56

The sleep thing. Dp takes over about 2ish so i get a couple of hours, but R will only sleep on him too. At least he's not crying for food every 5 minutes on dp!

MaMaPo Mon 10-Dec-12 06:36:43

Well, last night wasn't an improvement - C would lie on me, but not sleep! Gah. Also yelled bloody murder at a nappy change - and second outfit change for the night - and now feeding again. Yawn. So sleepy.

Sorry you didn't get much sleep mamapo brew

My boobs don't feel anywhere near as full as they did is this them settling down or am I having supply issues?

Bellaboo123 Mon 10-Dec-12 07:12:19

I feeling having supply issues too...A has been up every 1 1/2 hours through the night for a feed but we've had no real pooey/wet nappies to talk about?

Any suggestions...I'm worried she's hungry! Have had the prob before with her!

Sorry we've all had such shit nights!

How old is she Bella?

Bellaboo123 Mon 10-Dec-12 07:28:17

She's 9 days nows...any suggestions appreciated...what makes you think your supply is low?

Just that my boobs are all squishy again blush

I'm sure it's days three five and eight that their stomachs get bigger? pidj is more knowledgeable than me though!

Bellaboo123 Mon 10-Dec-12 07:33:28

Mine as squishy too...grrrr it's all so confusing/worrying!

Honeycantthinkofanxmasnickname Mon 10-Dec-12 08:51:59

spotty sounds like they're just settling down. That's what they're supposed to do. except mine are faulty and still all over the place

PurplePidjChickIsNotTheMessiah Mon 10-Dec-12 09:10:45

Constant feeding since 8 last night. A scant 2 hours sleep thanks to dp. My bum and back hurt from being propped up in bed and onthe sofa. My boobs hurt from being sucked. I can't do this, baby just won't bloody well sleep.

MaMaPo Mon 10-Dec-12 09:23:37

Oh Pidj, are you me? I could have written that. Last night I kept thinking of all the people who have more than 1 child and hoping that this meant that things improve, otherwise there's no way people would do this more than once!

Thanks honey I was worried it was because I haven't been eating enough. Also slightly disappointed that they're no longer massive!

Pidj you're doing an amazing job it will get better and these bad nights will seem like such a short period of time biscuit and brew for you

Bellaboo123 Mon 10-Dec-12 09:27:39

Pidj and mama can I join you crap night too...not really slept dont know if she's feeding properly no real pooey nappies...argh! I'm feeling both your pain! Where the instruction manual!!!

PurplePidjChickIsNotTheMessiah Mon 10-Dec-12 10:10:02

Wrt to dirty nappies, we've gone from both poo and wee in both (small poo) to big poo a couple of times a day.

I'm bad mummy. I left R to cry fornearly 10 minutes while i got dressed and made tea and toast sad I'm now feeding abloodygain but with the benefit of a packofchocolate fingers...

It's important that you eat! It won't have done him any harm

I had a good night (sorry) DH stayed up and woke me to feed at 01.00 and 05.00. He seems to have a good feeding rutien at night, but during the day he will lip smack, suck everything, but the second I get my boob out he turns his nose up and screams, I'm slightly offended!

Went out for the first time since the birth, took him in the car on my own to tesco, nearly ran over a pedestrian with a walking stick, got the car seat jammed in the base and had a sugar hypo at the tills. Relieved we made it home alive!

Oh eggs| that sounds eventful.

We went on the school rub this morning in the wrap sling. So easy. Kids loved showing Ethan off, everyone was amazed I was there but I'm fine tbh. Slightly sleep deprived but other than that in fine. My blood loss is tailing off and physically I feel better than I have in months. God I'm crap at being pregnant lol!

I just got a staff discount in the canteen. A sign I've been here too long?! grin

Secondsop Mon 10-Dec-12 13:38:05

Oh spotty!

pidj my baby is a fellow member of the "will nurse all night" club. I'm trying to give him more during the day today in the vain hope that might help. I was particularly uncomfortable as he only likes my right breast (he has only used the left one a handful of times). BUT my new favourite thing is my medela nipple shields. They give your nipples a break from constant direct contact, plus with them i can also get Zach to latch straightaway onto the less-favoured left breast.

Honeycantthinkofanxmasnickname Mon 10-Dec-12 14:02:09

Yay for medela nipple shields. They're life savers aren't they?!!

So we're home now! Those with more than one dc how on earth do you stop them poking/prodding/trying to get in the Moses basket hmm with them?!

MaMaPo Mon 10-Dec-12 16:10:32

Congats Spotty - wonderful, brilliant news!

Second, let me know if the 'more during the day' thing works. I have no idea. I actually think the issue with nighttime isn't that little C is hungry all the time, but that she's awake. And when she's awake, she purses her lips/does the hunger signs, so I feed her. But what if she could just fall asleep?

Also, how do you reconcile all the literature about sleeping with newborns in beds/on sofas, when your baby just won't do what the literature suggests.

Can you tell I still haven't seen a midwife?! We were discharged on Friday. It's Monday. I am going bonkers. Can't even find an effing phone number.

ISpyDingDongMerrilyOnHigh Mon 10-Dec-12 16:21:00

Fantastic news Spotty - welcome home Felix. DD is probably just really excited to have her little brother home - novelty will wear off once she realises newborns have quite a limited repitoire!

Sorry to hear about so many sleepless nights. We weren't too bad last night, but feeds in general seem to have ramped up today. I do remember with DS that the first few weeks were pretty relentless but it did calm down,not to the point of sleeping through for ages (sorry) but he was probably last amongst my friends' DC to reach that milestone. Here's a (highly caffinated) brew for anyone who needs it.

Took N to meet everyone at work today - still can't quite believe he was born 12 hours after I was last there. It all went well, but had the enormous benefit of DH being with me to hold onto DS1. Getting a little bit wobbly about the fact he goes back to work tomorrow. I know we'll be fine, but have visions of DS1 bolting and not being able to abandon the pram. Think I'll have to find a sling meet soon...

spotty your dd is still little isn't she? My kids are bigger and haven't taken to prodding him etc but they do go and stare. Although Ethan has only been the Moses basket for 5 mins.

We're now asking for food every 2-3 hours so I'm not worried anymore. Did the school run again this afternoon with Ethan in the sling and it helped settle him, he even stayed awake for 20 minutes! He started fussing when we got home but he's now asleep on me after another feed.

Yeah she's two and a half. I suppose we've only been home a couple of hours. At least dp is here!

Dd was 2 when ds was born, she once carried him in to me in the kitchen where I was washing up because he had been moaning shock they soon get bored of it though newborns are pretty boring. So ad Felix is home where he belongs!

Afrodizzywonders Mon 10-Dec-12 17:01:45

Ah found you all again! Marking spot.

Kitty has been feeding really well, 3 days old now but bloody hell, my nipples have cracked sad. I think the latch is getting better, I breast fed DS for 2 years and he was a breeze after a crappy start, just bloody hurts right now, she's pooing and weeping tons though so all is good. I've also got a touch of the blues, miss all the close time I have usually with my DS, feel guilty.

Will read throug all this and catch up, just been flat out today. My mother who is helping is unwell which has made things a bit more stressful, i did have a blub at lunchtime when it got hectic here, our next door neighbours dropped in, plus another set at the same time, phone rang it was my best chum i was desperate to talk to, meantime my DS drawing on the wall with a black crayon, i had been trying to organise DH to make lunch (he'd lost track of time) DS and I hungry, and then the baby woke up wanting a feed and started to cry.....that was it for me, lol!

I've got some weird version of Stockholm syndrome since leaving the neonatal unit……confused

Bellaboo123 Mon 10-Dec-12 18:03:17

Lol spotty so pleased you're home!

Called MW earlier and chatted through issues...thought I'd share as it may help some of us out! Basically she said A is having a growth spurt which often occurs between days 8-14 and is she is basically telling my body that she wants more milk and to get producing! This afternoon my milk is already flowing more!!! She also said to be careful that she doesn't graze as she's only get the 1st milk cant remember the correct name and not the fuller milk. Try to leave her between 2-3 hours as a minimum to avoid grAzing and if she cries beforehand let DP console her as she'll smell my milk...hope that makes sense and here's for some sleep tonight!

Fore milk and hind milk I think Bella see ds only feeds for ten minutes but he happily goes 3-4 hours so he must be getting enough? I don't see how he can get that much out in ten minutes though I would rather a good twenty but he won't have any of it!

Secondsop Mon 10-Dec-12 18:12:06

Great news spotty!

Does anyone else's baby sleep for most of the day? Is this normal?

Secondsop Mon 10-Dec-12 18:14:09

I should say - sleeps for most of the day EXCEPT
FOR all the feeding

Yes then they are awake all night....

Secondsop Mon 10-Dec-12 18:18:08

I've tried stimulating him more, making (eg) daytime feeds more active and lively. Right now he's asleep on my chest but despite lights, TV, me talking loudly, he's not even vaguely restless.

Bellaboo123 Mon 10-Dec-12 18:21:14

Yep slept from 1045 to 1415 and then I woke her for a feed and then 1515 and still asleep now

Bellaboo123 Mon 10-Dec-12 18:21:49

Anyone else feel like they are click watching constantly confused

Bellaboo123 Mon 10-Dec-12 18:22:00

Clock not click!

Secondsop Mon 10-Dec-12 18:24:26

Bellaboo, yes I'm obsessed with feeding times.

PurplePidjChickIsNotTheMessiah Mon 10-Dec-12 18:26:32

The advice i had was to feed from one side for 2 hours then switch if the feed is less than 10 minutes, that way they get the thinner fore milk - that quenches thirst - and fill up on the creamy hind milk, while the other boob replenishes.

God bless my memory for random trivia hmm

Bellaboo123 Mon 10-Dec-12 18:27:23

How my life has changed!!! But I wouldn't change her for a thing...gush of mummy love!

Bellaboo123 Mon 10-Dec-12 18:28:41

Pidj I'm confused sorry...so alternate feeds between boobs or swap halfway through feed? Help!

What if they only feed for ten minutes every 3-4 hours though?! confused

Honeycantthinkofanxmasnickname Mon 10-Dec-12 18:44:36

Do you mean for 2 hours solidly pidj confused or any time in a 2 hour period they want to feed the swap after that? I've been told that if they empty one boob and you switch the hind milk comes through straight away.

spotty he'll be doing fine. As long as he's crying for feeds when he does want them (every 4 hours or so min) dash feeds for about 10 mins at a time but I've got stupidly full boobs so the hv said he gets what he needs in a shorter time. Also could just be very efficient at getting the milk out

Bellaboo123 Mon 10-Dec-12 18:46:28

How do you know when you're empty?

PurplePidjChickIsNotTheMessiah Mon 10-Dec-12 18:54:12

Say you do 10 minutes on the left then he latches off. 5 minutes later he's making food signals again. Instead of switching to the right and starting a new feed, you put him back on the left and treat it as a continuation of the same one. After a couple of hours, or when you can feel that the left one's depleted, you start a new feed on the right.

Mud or crystal??

Honeycantthinkofanxmasnickname Mon 10-Dec-12 18:55:27

Crystal. Thanks pidj. Baby brain making me stupid!

Bellaboo123 Mon 10-Dec-12 18:56:09

Got it! Thanks!

Honeycantthinkofanxmasnickname Mon 10-Dec-12 18:57:40

bella empty when no more milk comes out - at least not easily. I only get empty when I'm expressing. And my right book never seems to completely empty!

PurplePidjChickIsNotTheMessiah Mon 10-Dec-12 18:59:00

I would guess that if they feed for 10 minutes then sleep well, they're full and have had as much as they need. It's when they latch off then grizzle for more that you do the 2 hour thing. Some babies will get a full feed fast, mine can take an hour and a half to drain one boob!

Mine go sort of soft and floppy when they're done - think male anatomy wink

Is that because you have big boobs pidj grin mine are pretty much pre pregnancy size hmm

Honeycantthinkofanxmasnickname Mon 10-Dec-12 19:06:26

I'm finding it really confusing about stomach size and growth spurts etc with Dash having been so early. I'm guessing as he was only due now his stomach is prob now the same size as a term new born? But that is all based on my guesswork! And growth spurts I dunno if I should expect them at actual age or corrected age - so 6 week growth spurt at 6 weeks or 12 weeks which will be adjusted 6 weeks. Or just somewhere unexpected in the middle?! So confusing!

Honeycantthinkofanxmasnickname Mon 10-Dec-12 19:08:55

Boob size has nothing to go with amount I milk apparently. My mum has tiny ones but breast fed all three of us successfully much to my dads mum's annoyance who had massive ones but couldn't produce much! And insisted on commenting in it to my mum constantly!

PurplePidjChickIsNotTheMessiah Mon 10-Dec-12 19:30:46

I've gone up one back and one cup size - but i did start off as a 36D grin

Size has sod all to do with efficiency, as honey said.

No idea, but have a friend on fb i could ask if you like, honey?

Honeycantthinkofanxmasnickname Mon 10-Dec-12 19:47:34

That would be great if you don't mind pidj

I'm still setting my alarm to get up for night feeds am I being ridiculous?

I started a 34A and am now a 36DD shock

DS either sleeps, feeds or cries, there is no time for stimulation and entertainment (miserable little man!)

Honeycantthinkofanxmasnickname Mon 10-Dec-12 20:01:30

How often spotty? Is e stirring himself before you get to him for feeds? personally i would be inclined to stop the alarm clock and let felix wake you when he's hungry - at least for a couple of nights and see how it goes. but I have no experience and am purely making that up

That's impressive Michelle wink

Honey I set it four hourly overnight sometimes he wakes before the alarm but other times I have to wake him. Also wake him every three hours in the day. So paranoid about the weightloss as he has to be weighed again Thursday. Also he's really sleepy still.

Honeycantthinkofanxmasnickname Mon 10-Dec-12 20:08:46

I don't know then spotty. Maybe keep at it till his weigh in and see how it is? I can't see them letting themselves go hungry but when they're so little it's hard to know! When did he come off the tube feeds? When dash came off the tubes it took him a few days to get to grips with the feeling of hunger and what to do about it!

Really random question, I have points of cartilage on the backs of my ears close to where my ears join my skull, and haven't met anyone else with them. I've noticed that DS also has them, is this a baby thing or an odd thing he has inherited from me? Do others babies have these?

spotty if it makes you more comfortable to set the alarm I'd say keep doing it. After all the stresses you've had in Felix short life doing something simple to put you at ease, that isn't hurting anyone, isn't a problem. Im just letting Ethan feed completely on demand but we haven't been through what you and Felix have. (we also haven't been weighed since birth yet. I may be more bothered if he loses weight.)

CODwidow Mon 10-Dec-12 21:19:58

Took Keira to the school today to get the meet and greet out of the way and thought I'd take dh along for support so he was quite chuffed being surrounded by 30 women!
Well 2 days old here and feeding every 3 hrs for about an hr at a time which I'm more than happy with at the mo. Not so happy with the toe curling few seconds that start a feed though, my poor nipples sad

cod my nipples aren't too bad but the after pains are excruciating sad

I'm not allowed to sleep tonight. Ethan has fed a lot and is being an amazing un-put-down-able baby! Milk appears to be coming in though. Hard boobs that appear to have doubled in size since yesterday!

Bellaboo123 Tue 11-Dec-12 03:05:44

I'll keep you company tonight stacey we're feeding every 2 hours over here again.

Hope Ethan settles eventually for you and if it makes you feel any better my nipples seem to have toughen up a week later...I've been using lansinoh after each feed.

I would like to go to sleep but Ethan does not like the crib ! Urgh.

MaMaPo Tue 11-Dec-12 03:54:46

Same here Stacey. Feeding isn't the issue - I'd happily feed every 2 hrs if it meant I got some rest in between. I just can't get her to sleep at night.

Honeycantthinkofanxmasnickname Tue 11-Dec-12 03:55:42

Starting to think DH is perfecting the age old man trick of screwing a job up so he's not asked to do it again. He usually does one of the overnight changes and feeds with EBM and he's managed to let Dash wee on his vest every time lately, cue lots of screams while he has to change so il wide awake anyway.

He probably isn't doing it on purpose but it sure as hell feels like it.

Snap mama. Well I had 1/2 hr with Ethan in the crib while I slept! Yay. Now we're feeding again.

Oh honey I know that feeling!

Secondsop Tue 11-Dec-12 05:01:12

Found a way to get Zach to settle at night without constantly wanting to feed.

A top up of formula.

Is that going to ruin my breastfeeding? I'm still breastfeeding him on demand all day.

Walnut8 Tue 11-Dec-12 05:03:45

hi everyone, found you all! Had a brief read through the thread a few days ago but having trouble with two threads and love reading the baby news on antenatal. Hopefully will be able to check in more often here.

My nipples are cracked which didnt happen last time so have to be a bit more careful I think. anneliese doesnt seem to like lanisoh though, so am trying to be diligent with breast pads and expressing a little on each nipple and letting dry after a feed or shower. Hope they dont get infected! Terrible after pains here too. Dont remember those from last time.

First half day here without DH and wow it has been hectic. I'm sure I'll get use to it but poor DD1 didnt get lunch until 3pm! 4pm here now and both DDs are fed and napping and I am having lunch and my first proper cheeky glass of wine! Must somehow get energy to do washing and dishes etc etc.

I just read that you're out spotty, so glad to hear it! I havent read much more but will try to catch up now!

Honey he stopped having tube feeds Wednesday night.

We had a good first night (sorry) fed 7, 10:30, 2 & 5 and now he's up for the day. Went straight back down after each feed and held the poo in until this morning. After he woke at two I turned my alarm off grin

Going to try out the sling today but not sure he'll like it as he doesn't like laying on my chest confused

Bellaboo123 Tue 11-Dec-12 06:36:43

Great news spotty

MaMaPo Tue 11-Dec-12 07:53:32

Spotty, so glad for you. Must be a relief.

Little C actually tolerated her crib last night? Short stretches and lots of fussing but still, it feels like progress. My husband has been completely brilliant during this - I wonder if its normal to feel the love in the relationship strengthen after a baby? I'm honestly surprised at us - didn't think I could love him more but I feel like its doubled.

Honestly, listen to me... blush

Afrodizzywonders Tue 11-Dec-12 07:55:14

What a night shock kitty fussed from 6pm till midnight, lots of crying and tonnes of feeding, she had been feeding all day but it was every 3-4 hours so wondering whether to wake her more often, plus I don't think she's draining the boob fully. Anyway, she pooed like you wouldn't believe all day and night, we just kept having to change her, it was ridiculous. Minutes after a change she'd do another one. I was wondering whether it was gas making her fussy, her poos changed to mustard and curd like over the evening hmm

Who knows, good to read I'm not alone and we're all braving the night wakings and sleeplessness together.

I'm getting horrendous night sweats blush is that normal? My clothes are actually wet

Secondsop Tue 11-Dec-12 08:35:51

mamapo exactly the same here re feeling even more love for my husband since the baby was born.

PurplePidjChickIsNotTheMessiah Tue 11-Dec-12 08:53:01

Me three on the partner-love. Possibly because he's so determined to do his fair share, and the fact that he's putting up with a frankly demeaning job paying 1/2 of what he's worth just to pay my mortgage and feed us all.

Spotty I have take to sleeping in just my underwear I have been that drenched. I thought DH had been leaving the heating on but apparently not. Also feeling a lot more love for the DH, seeing him in a whole new responsible light, it's wonderful just how supportive and attentive he has been.

Stayed home all of yesterday as had been told the GP would do a home visit to do his newborn physical. No one turned up and got a phone call at 9.30pm from GP with no apology but a promise they would be here at 7.30am. She turns up at 08.00 (still no apology), snorts at me when I ask what extra care needs to go into looking after his belly button, suggests I can't be trusted to book my own coil fitting appointment and the nurse will call me, then turns to the dog (who has been stood behind the stair gate the whole time) and says "keep that away from the baby, it WILL get jealous". Bitch.

Honeycantthinkofanxmasnickname Tue 11-Dec-12 09:09:06

Feel bad complaining about DH last night- sure he wasn't doing it on purpose but was so tired. blush

spotty yup, night sweats featured here - passed after 3 days or so though. So glad felix doing so well with feeds grin

I met a friend with a 1 year old yesterday and found out how much nursery costs confused. It's not going to be worth me going back to work.

Honeycantthinkofanxmasnickname Tue 11-Dec-12 09:11:03

eggnog - x post - yes, bitch sounds like it sums her up fairly well. Was it your usual gp? Can you complain about the lack of showing up/lack of apology?

CODwidow Tue 11-Dec-12 09:41:53

I was given syntocin after the birth stacey to help my uterus shrink (as I've had 4 previous) dc's along with strong painkillers so although the after pains were really bad they only lasted until yesterday morning. Thank goodness!

My milk came in last night so huge boobs now blush
We've been co sleeping so am getting some decent sleep, I fed until 10pm then went to bed and woke at 2am and again at 5:45am.

I wish I had good pain killers. Although pains not been as bad today so hopefully I'm at the tail end of that. My milk came in last night, my boobs look like huge odd shaped boulders all lumpy and hard. Ethan is enjoying the milk though!

Leaving DH in charge and I'm going for a nap now!

DP has gone out to get a Christmas tree and left me alone with two children for the first time. Guess what?? They are both asleep!! I'm going to have a coffee and do the online food shopping!

MaMaPo Tue 11-Dec-12 14:22:47

Spotty, that counts as a massive win! grin

So I have finally got a midwife coming to see me, only 4 bloody days overdue. To be honest, the most stressful thing about discharge home with new baby has been the issue of the community midwives! Once they've been hopefully I have more idea about what they do, plus can actually try leaving the house because I'm not sat about waiting for them.

WeeJo08 Tue 11-Dec-12 15:51:32

I'm not caught up yet, but just wanted to say, I love you, honey - the tip about the nipple shield was amazing. I couldn't get the Medela one but got a Philips one & it has been fantastic. Feeding C is now going much better. Nowhere near as stressful for either of us...though probably shouldn't speak too soon!

PurplePidjChickIsNotTheMessiah Tue 11-Dec-12 16:48:35

We got weighed this morning. He's gone from 6lb 2 to 6lb7, 9th to 0.4th centile. Cue tuts from the hv about weekly weighing, getting bf mw to check my latch. Nicely stressed and worried Pidj.

Bf group was at 1:30 so i go along and tell the mw what the hv said. Mw tells me it's a load of bollocks, he looks fine, 5oz in 2 weeks is great, I'm doing fantastically and don't bother getting him weighed! I cried blush

What a lovely mw pidj hope I don't have a HV like that! Weekly weighing is ridiculous they made me do it with dd angry

PurplePidjChickIsNotTheMessiah Tue 11-Dec-12 17:13:19

I'm not entirely convinced on which HCP to believe, but the other ladies at bf group were similarly minded towards HVs and their insistence that babies should grow to guidelines hmm

I think the general consensus is if they're happy with wet and dirty nappies then they're doing well smile

pidj remember the charts are geared towards ff babies. Bf babies do not follow the curves. As long as you are feeding on demand and he is putting on weight don't worry!

We've had a mammouth feeding session this afternoon while oil were visiting. It wouldn't have been quite as bad if mil hadnt insisted on trying to settle Ethan herself when I told her he was clearly hungry. I eventually got him back and had to take him to the dark kitchen to feed as he'd worked himself up so much he couldn't latch!

Argh to nightmare mil stacey! I'm going to have to bf in public tomorrow. I wouldn't mind but Felix is so fussy before he latches confused

I haven't braved the public yet. Although have fed in front of whatever visitors happen to be in my house at the time. (including DHs mates, 25-28 year old guys, they don't look comfy lol) but as far as I'm concerned if you're in my house I will feed when/where I want.

Dp has three brothers I don't think I could do it infront of them or his dad.... Or mine!

MaMaPo Tue 11-Dec-12 17:52:24

Hello all - hope today has been good. Stacey, that sounds a bit horrendous. Hopefully next time she backs off.

Mw came - finally! I feel so much more reassured. Little C has gained weight in her first 6 days - takes after her dad - and they've done the heelprick test and told me about what else is to come in term of visits. She also checked my latch and my CS scar - little things that just serve to build confidence. So glad to have that visit done.

Afterwards we took her out - just down the road for a coffee. My husband wore the baby carrier and we rugged her up well. I did ok with the distance but we shall see how I feel tomorrow. I felt it very overwhelming to be out - like I've begun the process of integrating 'old me' and 'new me'. Also felt very protective of her.

This whole experience is pretty surreal, huh?

WeeJo08 Tue 11-Dec-12 18:14:55

Seconds We are doing the same re: nighttime formula feed & C is still breastfeeding as well. I was a bit hesitant at first but am happier with it now that I see she's still feeding from me & it doesn't seem to have affected my supply (for breastfeeding "directly" or for expressing). In fact this morning when I woke up my boobs were so full (and leaky) that I decided to feed C & express at the same time. It worked REALLY well....happy baby + loads of expressed milk grin

Missmummypenny Tue 11-Dec-12 19:03:07

Hi all, is it ok if I join you? smile

I wasn't active on the ante-natal thread as I couldn't keep up. Well we just squeezed into December. Charlie was born on the 01/12/12 at 17:46 weighing 8lbs 4 oz. He came by EMCS as he didn't get his little head in the right position.

MaMaPo Tue 11-Dec-12 19:16:16

Welcome, Penny! Of course you're welcome. Congratulations on little Charlie - I had the same experience with my little Charlie (Charlotte) who ended up coming via EMCS due to head position as well. I got very slightly irritated by the midwife today who read my discharge report and said 'Oh no, you had an emergency C section!' [sadface] I don't feel sad about it, and it didn't feel particularly 'emergency' - I prefer to call it 'unplanned'. Anyway, welcome to the thread.

Secondsop Tue 11-Dec-12 19:50:44

Have just realised I should technically be on a November thread as Z came early. Please let me stay here!

weejo that's reassuring to know that nighttime formula feeding works for you too. A friend of mine found it invaluable - she'd do a breastfeed at about 9 and go to sleep and her husband did a formula feed at 11 and that got them 3 further hours.

mamapo glad you finally got a midwife visit. I find it so stressful waiting around all day for them.

I did a public feed yesterday! In a cafe and a greasy spoon one too, not a yummy mummy one. All was fine - I was discreet, he latched quickly cos it was his favourite boob, and once he was on I covered up with a muslin.

ISpyDingDongMerrilyOnHigh Tue 11-Dec-12 19:50:52

I feel like I'm running a laundry! Between my tops and bras (v leaky atm) and Nathaniel's clothes (we have had a ridiculous no of poo-splosions and leaked wees today) the washer doesn't stop. I know it's all a sign that supply is good and feeding's going well, but it feels like everything is slightly in overdrive.

On a more positive note,ventured out solo with both boys and it was absoultely fine. Cheated slightly by going to soft-play where there is only a short walk from the car but DS1 was really good at coming with us to the baby-change both times we needed it and didn"t have his customary tantrum when leaving. I've also managed to feed and water him at appropriate intervals so counting today as a success.

Honeycantthinkofanxmasnickname Tue 11-Dec-12 20:23:12

seconds I should be on the October thread blush

Secondsop Tue 11-Dec-12 20:28:59

honey good point! A friend of mine is being induced tomorrow so assuming it all happens her boy will be born on 12/12/12

Honeycantthinkofanxmasnickname Tue 11-Dec-12 20:31:40

weejo glad to have helped smile

Ah don't leave us! We would miss you!

Just had to express boobs were sooo hard and sore! Ethan has been feeding like a trooper today and sleeping nicely in his Moses basket, let's see if he can do that later!

RarelyUnreasonable Tue 11-Dec-12 21:28:37

This thread is so reassuring! Good to see (well, not good but you know what I mean) that it's not just me with the leaky boobs and night sweats!

I haven't made it out alone with both DC yet. DM here helping out (had c-section) and tbh I have no idea how I'll cope alone.

DC2 woke up every hour two nights ago, but last night woke just once for food. GOOD BABY!

Am BF-ing and it seems to be going well (born 6.14, was 7.7 at 10 days grin). Was an absolute nightmare with DC1 and was FF by 2 weeks so am in shock!

MaMaPo Tue 11-Dec-12 23:00:09

That's some healthy feeding, rarely!

That's weird that some of us are getting night sweats - I'm constantly freezing! Asked the mw, who reasonably pointed out that I'd recently had removed quite a large and efficient hot water bottle. grin

I wish my baby came with a 'don't fall asleep - keep feeding!' B

MaMaPo Tue 11-Dec-12 23:01:05

Oops - button! I'm constantly playing with her and prodding her to keep her feeding.

Ethan is not happy tonight. He is cluster feeding and not at all happy the rest of the time.

Another sleepless night in the offing I fear!

MaMaPo Wed 12-Dec-12 02:04:08

I wonder if what little C is doing is cluster feeding - feeding, going down for 10 mins max then grizzling until she's picked up again. Whatever it is, it's bloody exhausting and I can't share the load with my husband.

Feeling very sorry for myself, MW came yesterday for his 5day weigh/heal prick. He has lost 12% of his body weight, apparently due to my boobs being over engorged and him not being able to release the milk (cue a lot of crying/bad mother hysterics). He is being weighed again this afternoon and bf nurse coming tomorrow. Until then we are on a 3hr feeding rutien, and I've had to get a pump and top it up. Problem is, I keep running bone dry when he is still hungry. Suspect I will be ff and bf by the end of the week.

Pidj sound like we are having very similar experiences, I am going along to the bf group on Monday, hopefully they will be nice.

PurplePidjChickIsNotTheMessiah Wed 12-Dec-12 04:58:58

Michelle, dump the routine and keep feeding him. If that means constantly, there's a good reason - the more you feed the more you'll produce! Babies are a gazillion times more efficient at getting milk out of boobs than hands and pumps.

Every time he so much as whimpers, shove a nipple in his mouth. If he sleeps for two hours, try and wake him then shove a boob in there

And don't stress, just keep your own energy and fluid levels up.

brooke89 Wed 12-Dec-12 06:20:39

Woooo I get to join postnatal smile now to catch up on what I've missed....

Ps my boobs feel like Katie Price's... Not that I've felt her boobs but I'd imagine they feel like this!

Bad night here sad

Pidj, thanks for advice, just looked at the times he has fed, and he has been demanding every 2hrs. Think I've slept about 3hrs, I'll be spending today in bed. He has just tried boob, but wasn't successful, so got the 25ml I managed to squeeze out earlier. On the plus side, he has been sleeping in his Moses basket for the first time, I'm guessing he isn't hungry all the time so sleeping better!

sad spotty brew

MaMaPo Wed 12-Dec-12 06:58:28

Same here spotty. sad

Obviously he's fast asleep now and will probably go four hours…

brew For you too mama & Michelle

SeymoreInOz Wed 12-Dec-12 07:38:50

Congratulations brooke

Sorry to those not having good nights, I've yet to have a good one too. He's just so hard to settle, he's got a really rumbly belly and spends most of the evening shrieking or feeding. I've got infacol but it's not the same here as it is in the UK!

I had to go out today because it's DD's birthday on Saturday so I needed to pick up cake things and party bags. What should have been a quick trip took hours, he fed twice and screamed the whole time. I've got no idea how I will cope with him and the older ones when the in-laws leave next week. sad

Ethan hasn't latched properly for over 12 hours sad ended up expressing and giving him a bottle of ebm. sad feel like I'm failing!

Secondsop Wed 12-Dec-12 07:59:07

Congratulations brooke!

I think I'm a bad mummy because we resorted to a dummy last night. But the poor little dude wouldn't take any more food, his nappy was fine, he didn't seem hot or cold, he had us right next to him so wasn't lonely, he'd been well winded, and was exhausted as he was yawning and yawning, but just wouldn't settle. As soon as we put it to him he suckled away for a couple of minutes and fell fast asleep.

PurplePidjChickIsNotTheMessiah Wed 12-Dec-12 08:04:54

<waves to Brooke>

brew for Spotty and Mama

Seymore, you'll get there - stay strong

Stacey, your baby is fed and happy. That's a success. Do not beat yourself up about how you got there!

Seconds, I'm counting the days till R is a month and can have a dummy. Still haven't quite got the feeding sorted - he fusses himself off a lot and needs to be relatched - but I'm so there once it's done!

WeeJo08 Wed 12-Dec-12 08:14:11

Can't remember if I said congratulations brooke, but congratulations! thanks Hope all is going well.

Well, we had our first proper throw up last night during the night feed. Was really unsure as to whatto do afterwards, i.e. should I feed her again afterwards, but she did seem hungry again so she got some more. She seemed to settle afterwards in her Moses basket again, but I think I listened to her for ages making sure she was okay. We tried a slightly earlier last feed last night, so it was 11pm, 3pm and 7am this morning. She didn't take too much this morning so not sure how long she'll be down for now.

Hope you're okay, Eggs, it is upsetting when they drop some weight. The same happened with C and we had to combine formula and breast milk - I was worried that she wouldn't breastfeed after a few days on formula, but she is still taking it and she has gained weight well which is the most important thing. I found that once she gained the required weight it meant that we could then relax a bit more and concentrate on a routine that suited us. Claudia dropped 9.8% by the Monday (born on the Saturday) and by the Thursday she was up to within 3% of her birth weight again - so they can gain reasonably quickly. Also, once they are gaining again, the MWs, medical people, etc relax about it too. Sorry for the long reply about that.

Secondsop Wed 12-Dec-12 08:15:59

pidg Z isn't a month yet. He's not even 2 weeks. Is the month thing a proper rule, or is it a suggestion to prevent nipple confusion? I'm hoping Z is beyond nipple confusion now as he has had to get used to bottle, boob and nipple shield so far and still latches on fine (well we still have left boob issues but I think that nipple shape is hard for him - he's fine with a nipple shield on it).

PurplePidjChickIsNotTheMessiah Wed 12-Dec-12 08:21:34

It's a suggestion. In your case irrelevant, I'd have thought!

Secondsop Wed 12-Dec-12 08:24:56

Ah thanks. The dummy was the only thing that comforted him last night apart from having him sleep on one of our chests, which isn't a solution.

PurplePidjChickIsNotTheMessiah Wed 12-Dec-12 08:27:10

We're still chest sleeping, on the basis he'll grow out of it eventually... Right?!

Secondsop Wed 12-Dec-12 08:36:42

Pidj we still let him chest-sleep on the basis that he's so new, he needs to find comfort where he can. Hoping he'll grow out of it because otherwise it's a long haul of shift-sleeping between us...

pidj thank you thanks and in pretty sure he will not be still be sleeping on your chest at 19 grin

Sent DH on the school run. I managed to get Ethan to latch and feed a little. Day 4 here though so hormones are probably at play too!

PurplePidjChickIsNotTheMessiah Wed 12-Dec-12 09:19:43

R is 23 days though hmm

Stacey, push through it. The look of shock on R's face when he got a mouthful of milk instead of colostrum was hilarious - and messy where he spat the nipple out grin

MaMaPo Wed 12-Dec-12 09:35:19

Seconds, C is a week today we have tried dummy twice but I think she's too young - she keeps opening her mouth widely and not sucking, which is right if she's on the breast but not for the dummy. She's had slightly more difficulty latching on but barely, and she's very good anyway so I haven't been too worried. What brand have you used?

Wow - terrible nights sleep. I'm getting to the point that anxiety kicks in about 7pm. sad

Pidj I meant 19 years old! grin

So much catching up to do after a week in the local MLU without internet access.
Now my boy's a week old shock thought it time to migrate over here.

is there a stats list from the Dec thread? - i'd be fascinated by the gender balance/busy days/name selections reminders. i know it seemed to be we were producing largely boys - i found the MLU balanced out MN as Claude was the only boy on the ward (of six)

so after never considering it an option i've ended up cosleeping as it's the only way i get any sleep but i keep waking to find him in odd positions/too hot/i'd forgotten he was there, so i need to find a way to persuade him to sleep in his moses basket before the guilt kills me i do him some harm sad.

also anyone else feel constantly dizzy-ish, wobbly like they're at sea?

Honeycantthinkofanxmasnickname Wed 12-Dec-12 10:51:10

Dummy is supposed to be 6 weeks to prevent nipple confusion but i think it's the same as the bottle thing - a load of rubbish. Babies are cleverer than we give them credit for - if they want something they'll find a way to have it. (Look at me all rational and sensible. Bet that won't last long)

stacey sorry, bit late, but in no way does giving Ethan a bottle of ebm (or even of formula if you needed to) make you a failure. As pidj said- if baby is fed then its a success.

My boobs are wonky confused

Honeycantthinkofanxmasnickname Wed 12-Dec-12 11:22:20

Question- Dash just brought a bit of milk back up from a feed about 2 hours ago. He's got nasty hiccups so is prob due to them. Now he seems hungry again. Should I feed him or hang fire till his stomach settles. Does being sick necessarily mean they aren't feeling well?

honey I doubt very much he's got an 'upset' tummy. A lot of babies bring back milk occasionally. If he seems hungry feed him again. Bringing back milk is invariably more to do with wind than tummy problems!

Well we had our first strip wash today (Ethan not be obv. I've had a bath promise!) we've managed a couple of feeds too. I started a thread earlier and people said not to let him go more than 2 hrs without feeding, so that my boobs arent too engorged, so I've been waking him and it appears to be working.

I had a sob earlier as DH is going our with mil to buy baby clothes, and although I don't want to be in the shops this time of year, I don't want him buying everything without me. And I don't wanna be left alone. But my parents are on their way and I need to be here for when they arrive anyway. I know I'm being irrational but I just can't help it. Day 4 though, so prob hormones!

Honeycantthinkofanxmasnickname Wed 12-Dec-12 11:53:15

Thanks stacey. Thought as much but he hasn't really been sicky up till now so wanted to check.

Not to harp on about them but if Ethan is having problems latching -especially if engorgment is an issue- I would def recommend trying nipple shields. I was so engorged in scbu dash couldn't latch bit a nipple shield even just to get him started helps then take it off if e can manage to latch without. Dash now usually feeds ok without it so its not a permanent fixture - I use it if he's all worked up and can't manage to latch now

Thanks honey I'll try and get DH to pick some up for me today. Anything to help right now tbh.

MaMaPo Wed 12-Dec-12 12:22:00

Stacey, I ascribe everything to hormones! I'm on day 7 and while its getting better I still get teary. Then again, I always was a massive spok.

My mum had her family in Australia after moving from NZ with my dad right after the wedding. I think she sees a lot of herself in my experience now, being in the UK without family. The ability to stay connected now is just so different though, compared to 1970! Anyway, the inlaws arrive on Sunday, which will help with the loneliness.

Right - it's past midday. Maybe time to shower and consider leaving the house...

It doesn't help when there's fuck all food in the house, so he goes on about getting burger king while he's out. So I'm sat there going 'and what about me? Sat here feeding, with no lunch. Can you go to the sandwich shop for me before you go? And he says 'but I'm going to asda while I'm out. hmm coz that helps when I'm hungry now! Urgh, hate hormones. I know usually it wouldn't bother me but I just want him to understand how bloody vulnerable I'm feeling.

Right need to stop the bloody whinging!

Honeycantthinkofanxmasnickname Wed 12-Dec-12 13:00:00

stacey these are amazing. Free next day delivery too link

MaMaPo Wed 12-Dec-12 13:08:55

Stacey, can you explain how it feels to your husband? Mine was interested when unexplained that the removal of the placenta was like going c

MaMaPo Wed 12-Dec-12 13:10:32

I explained that its like going cold turkey on hormones and that if he knows what's good for him he'll cut me some slack and support me! I think it made more concrete sense to him then.

I hope you've got some food now! This isn't a time to be going hungry!

PurplePidjChickIsNotTheMessiah Wed 12-Dec-12 13:12:31

Stacey, that's not hormones it's fucking outrageous - you must eat, or you can't make milk! Why has it taken this long for him realise you need food?!

I think he is being a cock actually. He slept last night while Ethan screamed for 4 hours. Think I might need to have words. This is all I need right now.

PurplePidjChickIsNotTheMessiah Wed 12-Dec-12 14:16:08

Sleeping while the baby screams is only acceptable if it's in preparation to then take over for a reciprocal 4 hours angry

I wussed out of feeding in public and went into the car instead blush

Also why did no one tell me that when you have a baby in a sling it makes you nearly topple over?! I fell up the stairs! Still need to get used to that one...

Honeycantthinkofanxmasnickname Wed 12-Dec-12 15:37:57

Agghhhh. Just accidentally knocked the side of Dash's head with my hand while I was trying to stop him pushing himself of my knee. It wasn't hard but he cried really hard for about 10-15 seconds. Bad mummy. Should I be worried? He's fed fine since.

I wouldn't worry honey smile

Honeycantthinkofanxmasnickname Wed 12-Dec-12 16:29:07

Thanks spotty. I'm trying not to!

MaMaPo Wed 12-Dec-12 16:39:13

Bad mummy. There, Spotty, I fixed your post for you. He'll be fine.

MaMaPo Wed 12-Dec-12 16:39:49

Err, honey, I mean! blush

Honeycantthinkofanxmasnickname Wed 12-Dec-12 16:41:01

Hehe mama. Thanks smile

Dd's first Christmas bauble has smashed sad

Honeycantthinkofanxmasnickname Wed 12-Dec-12 17:10:48

sad spotty

Oh no Spotty, that's rubbish.

Good news, Felix has gained 2oz since yesterday, whoopi!!! I'm so please and relieved, can't believe his feeding has turned around in 24hrs. Although I have been sat here feeding for 2hrs30min and we are still not finished! I have found expressing has relieved the engorgement, and my boobs are so much more comfy at the same time.

We started using a dummy after a couple of days confused but since feeding properly we haven't need it. I felt terrible using it too, all I could think about were the braces he would need to correct his wonky teeth sad

Honey babies are very resilient, I pressed on a soft part of his skull this morning and was hysterical after, thought I'd killed him!

michelle you should see how hard the dr's rub their soft spot and throw them about!

ISpyDingDongMerrilyOnHigh Wed 12-Dec-12 22:13:37

Pru - we've ended up co-sleeping a bit too. Not what I want to do long-term, but I think if you follow all the safety guidelines sometimes it's a case of just doing what gets you through the first few weeks. Am perservering with the moses basket and we're certainally getting longer daytime naps in there so I live in hope night-time will improve soon too.

Stacey - hope you're feeling better. Sometimes I think some men just don't 'get it' and fail to see the obvious stuff that needs doing. Have had a few moments of feeling a bit let down by DH this time round as well. Think because I've been very lucky and not had any issues physically, he's at times overlooked the fact I still need emotional support. He's also massively stressed at work, which doesn't help. Had an argument the other night about it all, which whilst horrible at the time, helped to clear the air and gave me the chance to explain how I'm feeling and it's been a lot better since.

HV came round today and N is now 8lb 8oz - has put on almost a pound since birth grin. Feeling quite proud, and all the additional laundry I was moaning about yesterday has clearly been worth it.

Feeling much better now, Ethan has been a star today. We have fed every 2 hrs all day and then almost constantly since 8pm. He's now sleeping peacefully in his crib. Let's see how long that lasts.

The almost constant feeding has helped flush his jaundice a little bit. He was really quite yellow this morning but now he's looking a lot more normal.

My mum and oldest best friends met him today and have all fallen completely in love! Got the midwife coming tomo, do they weigh them on day 5?

MaMaPo Wed 12-Dec-12 23:10:06

Stacey, they did the weigh and heelprick on day 5 with me, so I'm assuming so (given we never had a visit before that). Great that he's feeding so consistently.

Little c jut manage to wet not only her nappy, but my duvet and Pj top too. What a girl. Also teach me to tri

MaMaPo Wed 12-Dec-12 23:14:27

Argh - to triple check the position and firmness of the nappy. She'd better not soil any more clothes, everything else in her size is on the drying rack.

Despite my awful sleepless nights, I've at least found that Jo can get 2-3 hours from late afternoon until around 10, in 2 blocks. I'm trying to reassure myself that I can survive on 5 hours sleep in any given 24, so making sure I use that opportunity is crucial. I hate the timing of it though - feels like I'm 'abandoning' my husband. sad stupid really - I need my sleep!

Walnut8 Thu 13-Dec-12 00:27:27

mama get sleep where you can!

LO has picked up a cold from her big sister and has been sneezy and congested sad. Poor thing, at only 6 days old! Am clearing her nose with one of those baby nasal things (name?!) but it's making feeding harder and I think the cold, combined with the heat (something ridiculous like 37 here today) and the jaundice is making her very sleepy and so not hungry. Am a bit worried about her weight. She lost 300 grams in the first two days and am waiting for first mw visit tomorrow (she will be a week) to weigh again. I need her to feed to get rid of the jaundice and also poor boobs dont know what they are doing! BTW, I dont know how accurate this is, but I was told if you are engorged try not to express (too much anyway) as your boobs need to regulate themselves.

DH taken DD1 to play centre so I am getting a break but feeling a bit weepy and anxious tbh today.

We are definite fans of co-sleeping, esp for the first few months. Just make sure the set up is safe.

MaMaPo Thu 13-Dec-12 01:08:43

Walnut - poor wee thing! I hope you have air con - 37° is tricky for anyone. Stay well hydrated. I've been surprised at just how dehydrated I become during overnight feeds.

Oh walnut that sounds rubbish. Advice I was given was that you can hand express enough to feel comfortable if you're engorged-you don't want to be in pain!

Ethan just woke up after going down around 10.30. Needed the nipple shields for the first time, they worked great though! Soooo glad. Thanks for the recommendation! Right back to sleep for me!

Walnut8 Thu 13-Dec-12 01:55:51

Aircon on mamapo but don't want lo to get a chill - tricky balance!

I've been downing litres of ice water!

DD1 just said she wanted to be small again like the baby then started crying which set me off. oh dear! blush

Walnut8 Thu 13-Dec-12 02:08:49

Do you think its going too far to have a badge made for anneliese saying "I'm only a few days old and I don't know you that well so please don't kiss me on the effing face" ..?

She already has a cold for pete's sake. Grrrrr.

I appear to have what sounds like a roosting pheasant attached to me. Felix gets the loudest hiccups. He also tends to poo before, during and after a feed.

Walnut the guilt is horrible isn't it?! I'm sure dd just looks sad sometimes hmm

MaMaPo Thu 13-Dec-12 04:31:08

I'm all confused. So far tonight I've had many hours of sleep. What is going on?! Someone swapped little C for a baby who isn't allergic to overnight sleeping.

brooke89 Thu 13-Dec-12 04:50:20

I have an allergic one - soooo tired!

mama I just had the same thought. Ethan slept from 10.30-1 and then fed and back down, and he's still sleeping in his crib now (I'm awake coz my boobs are sore). I can't believe how well he's slept today! How old is C now?

Oh brooke huge love it's awful when they don't sleep!

Marking place with a little munchkin asleep on my chest grin

MaMaPo Thu 13-Dec-12 05:18:08

Sympathy, Brooke! We have all been there.

Charlotte is 7 days old. I feel like I've now jinxed her and she won't go back down after this quite epic feed. But hopefully she's getting s nice full tum.

Honeycantthinkofanxmasnickname Thu 13-Dec-12 05:37:01

Dash attached to boob and farting away merrily confused delightful child. Had a full on wobble last nigt about or coping and also thinking Dash hates me as he refuses to make eye contact with me. When we saw dr last week he said not to worry about eye contact yet but I am taking or personally.

Welcome strawberry smile

Ah Ethen is 5 days and I feel we have turned a corner! Yay.

Right now he's finished his feed (I woke him after I posted my boobs hurt that much) I am going back to sleep! Night everyone lol.

PurplePidjChickIsNotTheMessiah Thu 13-Dec-12 06:10:44

R slept 11-2 and 3-6!! However, he hasn't pooed since Tuesday despite lots of wet nappies confused

We had three hourly feeds and only between 12:30 and 2:30 he wouldn't settle. Dd then came in at ten past six and woke him up....

WeeJo08 Thu 13-Dec-12 07:53:14

That wasn't a good night sad She wouldn't settle for ages when we put her down, then was inconsolable at her nighttime feed & was up for an hour and a half...no idea what was wrong - she was fed, nappy was changed (and re-checked!) & she was being cuddled. Settled again at 3:30. Just fed her for 20 mins this morning & she has settled immediately??!

Finally had our first korma poo yesterday! What made it more exciting is MW had told us to strip him off to get the air to his belly button, so whilst naked and having a feed on my lap he emptied out all over me, the chair and the floor, very entertaining.

Just had a feed, think ill put him in the basket and get a nap on the sofa.

RarelyUnreasonable Thu 13-Dec-12 08:16:38

pidj mw told me that bf babies often poo just once a week! I wish - we're still on a poo per feed schedule!

Had a good night - fed at 1130, 230, 530 and I assume he'll be back on in 10 mins. Have posted some boobage issues in the BF topic - help! I had such a struggle with dc1 and she was ff from 2 weeks. I felt like the worst mother ever, but she's happy, healthy and thriving so would be happy ff-ing if I had to. Would prefer to bf though - partly to prove I can, plus it's cheaper! Oh yeah, and for ds's benefit too grin.

Rarely ds poos before during and after feeds. I make dp take it in turns with me to change him it's ridiculous!

PurplePidjChickIsNotTheMessiah Thu 13-Dec-12 09:23:05

Just deleted a long post because i got interrupted by a nappy chanfe - a dirty one grin

And we had another 2 hours sleep all snuggled up smile

Secondsop Thu 13-Dec-12 09:23:44

Is anybody else's baby really farty?

Yep lots of farts! How does ds know exactly when it's been three hours?! Or is it because I'm listening our for any movement/squeak?!

Honeycantthinkofanxmasnickname Thu 13-Dec-12 09:35:58

Incredibly farty baby here. But rather that than the scream when it gets trapped!

MaMaPo Thu 13-Dec-12 09:49:43

Just to continue the poo theme - smile - C fed every 2.5 hrs roughly and slept in between, the little champion. At the last feed I thought I'd get my husband to help (as he'd just landed himself 6 hours sleep) and while I was out the room she did a massive poosplosion - all over him and his pjs, the floor etc. she even managed to hit our bed, a good 3m away! Time for some laundry, I think. He was a bit grumpy he bore the brunt of it. I have no sympathy!

grin mama

WeeJo08 Thu 13-Dec-12 10:21:17

Another farty pants baby here - we find it hilarious as she often lets one go when we're gazing at her adoringly...grin

Ds's blood spot thingys have come back negative. He still needs his newborn hearing screening. Dd just got an appointment to see a neurologist in Southampton at 9am on 2nd jan!

Honeycantthinkofanxmasnickname Thu 13-Dec-12 10:46:47

grin mamapo always brightens the day when they inflict some of the carnage on daddy!

Midwife has been. She's not worried about his slight jaundice and said I'm doing the right thing leaving him in the back window for as much daylight as possible. She did his heel prick test and weighed him. He's lost 30g off his birth weight but I don't think that's that bad at 5 days tbh. Getting my house straight now. Feeling much more human having only woken twice to feed during the night.

Oh but how can such a small person make sooo much washing?

brooke89 Thu 13-Dec-12 12:00:09

Isla has just pooed on my chin....

So after the stupid drs/nurses in SCBU moaning about Felix losing 50g once off tube feeds he has now put on 5oz in three days and weighs 8lb8oz shock so nice to know he's getting enough food!

CODwidow Thu 13-Dec-12 12:19:49

Hi everyone,well 5 days today and had a 6hr stretch of sleep last night wahoo! Baby k fed most of the eve, we fell asleep at 10:30pm and woke at 4:30am amazing how much difference it has made.

Sat in waiting for the midwife now to find out if we've lost any weight and for heel prick hmm
I've also been told not to express if your engorged as you will make as much milk as needed and if expressing your just encouraging more milk but as with everything if it helps you then can't be a bad thing smile

Feeling a little overwhelmed today as to how I'm ever going to get the boys to school in the morning, get out the house or be back at the school for 3pm, then get tea made or the boys to their clubs! I know I will as I have to but just can't see it happening at the mo.
Also feeling emotional that Keira is already 5 days old and I don't want her to grow and I know how fast it goes, totally silly I know.

I hope everyone else is having a lovely snuggly day with their babies.

PurplePidjChickIsNotTheMessiah Thu 13-Dec-12 12:39:27

COD, you also have to deal with twats people saying you've "finally" got a girl, as if your boys weren't achievement enough hmm have you got some good responses ready?

I cba to do anything so today i will mostly be cuddling and making milk.

CODwidow Thu 13-Dec-12 13:20:47

pidj that's all I've heard, stupid bloody comment and always when the boys are with me, grr! angry

RarelyUnreasonable Thu 13-Dec-12 13:32:59

Haha, I get the 'well done, one of each' comments which leave me a bit bemused about how to reply!
Getting lots of newborn snuggles as DM is on toddler care! Am astounded at how well dd has taken to ds. Phew so far. I also can't see how I'll ever get the nursery run done, but will worry about it after Xmas!
Am living in pjs as my non-mat clothes are too tight and my mat clothes hang all wrong too. May just have spent too much money online shopping...
And god! The poos! The farts! The laundry! None on my face yet though!

PurplePidjChickIsNotTheMessiah Thu 13-Dec-12 13:39:18

My gran congratulated me on "getting is right" when we told her R was going to be a boy hmm

I'm doing an extra load every day or two, and we're using cloth nappies - couple of leaks from user error but no poosplosions <yet> or at least nothing outside the nappy iyswim...

I obviously don't get those comments Cod being first child, but my mil and nan are obsessed with me making a mini version of DH/creating an heir to the family dynasty!

Although the MW advised me to express the engorged milk, I think it's also to get more milk into F since he has lost so much weight, it's to eventually get my body to produce more milk.

Took F out for the first time in the pushchair today with the dog, they both loved it.

Weighed myself for the first time in about 8wks today, 2st over pre pregnancy weight shock I sense the dog will be walked ALOT. It's gentle exercise and fresh air for all, can't wait for tomorrow's walk.

MaMaPo Thu 13-Dec-12 15:24:18

Gosh, I haven't even thought about weighing myself! I think that can wait, given my walking tolerance is still pretty restricted.

A fried just came for newborn cuddles, and brought with him a load of unpasteurised cheeses and cured meats. What a man!

Honeycantthinkofanxmasnickname Thu 13-Dec-12 15:26:14

I've been told different thongs by different people about expressing for engorgment. First was told not to express as it would encourage more milk production, but then I phoned a BF specialist who said to express and empty the boobs so its like pressing a reset button as if they stay really full the body thinks that's how full they should be. confused for something that's supposed to be so natural and easy the BF business is damn complicated.

brooke89 Thu 13-Dec-12 15:29:04

I'm scared of hand expressing! MW said same advice to me too if boobs become to big and hard for LO to latch on.

brooke it's really fun when you've got lots of milk as it just squirts out like when you milk a cow grin

brooke89 Thu 13-Dec-12 16:55:19

Spotty my milk only came in today I looked down and it was dripping out and I actually screamed! A friend of mine told me how she makes her DD mash and just expresses right into the saucepan!!!!

MaMaPo Thu 13-Dec-12 17:27:23

Wow, my milk is nothing like that. I have to express using the other hand, as if with colostrum. Don't need any nipple pads or anything. Word how much variation there is.

Mine only did it when I was engorged going from expressing to breast feeding not sure it would now they've settled down. Dd is being very trying tonight I don't think ill cope when dp goes back to work!

Mine squirt like a cow being milk, find it very satisfying! Just wish I could get more than an ounce each time, although they are engorged, they don't seem to be engorged with milk, probably cotton wool!

I think some people are just able to express more than others. I haven't expressed since I started exclusively breast feeding but I have a bit in the freezer. I think I will give ds a bottle of expressed milk somewhen (how soon?) as I know dp would love to feed him.

MaMaPo Thu 13-Dec-12 19:42:11

I haven't expressed at all - I wonder if I need to? I don't feel engorged (although the left is always fuller than the right, regardless of how much C feeds from them). I would like to start expressing in the future so much husband can do feeds, I wonder whether its something you need to do consistently or can begin later on.

Honeycantthinkofanxmasnickname Thu 13-Dec-12 19:44:54

DH has been doing bottle feeds for Dash for about 3-4 weeks so from when he was about 3 weeks spotty hth

ISpyDingDongMerrilyOnHigh Thu 13-Dec-12 22:43:27

COD - I know exactly what you mean about feeling sad that the newborn phase is over so quickly. With DS1, I was so excited about him reaching all his milestones etc I almost wished time away. Whilst I of course want N to do those things too one day, I think I'm much more appreciative of how special and short-lived this time is too. For me, I think I bit of sadness is creeping in as it is probably the last time I'll have a newborn. Am sure I can blame damn hormones as well.

Went to get N registered today. I'm quite geeky about official stuff, and really enjoyed getting his birth cert etc.

emilyeggs Thu 13-Dec-12 23:47:41

Just popping head round to see how all you ladies are doing, can't wait to join you all grin

brooke89 Fri 14-Dec-12 02:44:07

Why won't this baby sleep at all in the Moses basket? It's like a vicious circle - we try to put her down in it she cries and then will only settle with a feed... Any tips anyone?

Secondsop Fri 14-Dec-12 03:16:30

brooke we found the same thing. We are using a soft sided carrycot not a moses basket and ended up putting it on the bed between us. This made Z feel a bit more secure. What I don't understand us why he'll sleep in the plastic hospital bassinet quite happily - as they're see through it must feel like the baby is floating in midair rather than feeling safe and snug.

brooke89 Fri 14-Dec-12 06:03:56

We've said the same thing she was happy in the hospital one. I've tried putting it between us, padding out the sides, hot water bottle before putting her in, putting my clothes in there and she still hates it hmm

RarelyUnreasonable Fri 14-Dec-12 07:12:11

Ds is like that too. We have a bedside cot, but no, only the big bed will do! Have tried with carrycot in it, hot water bottle etc to no avail. But this us also my last newborn, so I actually don't mind toooo much getting less sleep and more snuggles. Last night was tough though - he has a cold and trapped wind so was up from 3 to 530 when DH took him for a bit.
He's happily snoozing now (ds not DH), and I have that weird knackered but not tired enough to sleep feeling. Luckily DM still here for toddler care. Sorry to be pathetic, but htf will I cope w two alone?! Waaaah!

yuletopian99 Fri 14-Dec-12 07:59:55

Popping in to be jealous of all of you with your LOs, due tomorrow but think it'll be ages yet.

We have the miyo hammock instead of a cot bed as I've read they feel less freaked out in hammocks as they're more enclosed/cradling - not had a chance to test the theory yet though. sad

Honey you linked to some nipple shields but I can't find it blush could you do it again please? I think DS is going to start cluster feeding sad rubbish! I wouldn't mind if it was between six and ten but it's more like nine and twelve and I'm knackered by then! Also it really hurts for the first 30-60 seconds but then it's fine, is that OK or bad latch? I'm paranoid about a bad latch, we've been going over a week now though and no cracks or anything....

Going to register the birth today, typical it's going to rain all day!

spotty I find that for the first minute or so of feeding it's very intense not so much painful. I think this is normal and Ethan seems to be getting all he needs.

Last night he slept 9.30-12.30 then woke at 2, 3, 4, 5 and 6! Yawn lol sending DH on the school run this morning. I could have managed but while he's here I might as well make some use of him!

We are slowly getting there with the Moses basket. Since sorting out the feeding issues, he has been much more content, he doesn't need constant cuddling and will sleep for a couple of hours at a time with minimal fussing. Got him in the sling now after a feed so I can get some jobs done, the laundry has gone to pot and iv ran out of tops!

brooke89 Fri 14-Dec-12 08:39:37

She's just slept for an hour in the Moses basket grin hurray!!!!

I asked the MW the same thing re bad latch - she said if you count to 10 slowly and it's still hurting then it could be so to take off and try again

I'm trying to catch up with washing too! Dp did his best but doesn't think about things like towels and I had a whole suitcase if stuff at hospital!

Hmm no, it's definitely painful at first for us but once that's gone I have no pain at all. It doesn't help that he still doesn't open his mouth properly I have to use my finger and even then he thrown his head around everywhere!

Hmm brooke I usually get to 30 at least. Might text the bf person....

spotty it sounds like it may need tweaking, probably just because of his refusal to open his mouth. I would guess its not a problem for him but for your comfort it's probably worth getting in contact with the bf councillor.

I love it when he shakes his head before latching on, looks like an over eager teenagers with his first pair of boobs, it's hilarious! Also still get some stabbing pains, but it's only at the very start of the feed.

Hurry up 10am, want to do our feed then go for a walk!

brooke89 Fri 14-Dec-12 09:20:08

eggnog it is so funny-Isla thrashes her head around, it really makes me laugh!

Honeycantthinkofanxmasnickname Fri 14-Dec-12 09:20:26

here you go spotty. Absolute life saver for sore nipples and when they won't latch.

Honeycantthinkofanxmasnickname Fri 14-Dec-12 09:21:16

Dash does the little head shake before latching on when he's really hungry too! It's so cute.

Thank you Honeysmile

My bedroom smells like baby poo sad

Secondsop Fri 14-Dec-12 09:31:28

eggnog brooke Z does the head thrash too with his eyes and mouth wide open. He looks like a baby bird!

MaMaPo Fri 14-Dec-12 11:35:00

Another head thrasher here too - so overly excited!

Just had final visit from mw - we have been discharged. Got a 'telling off' for having a dummy, saying its too early, she'd get confused, she wouldn't feed as much as she's hungry... But she's put on 120g in 9 days so I don't think confusion and under feeding is an issue!

Interesting to hear you experienced mums talking about not wishing away these early days. I am probably a culprit of that - going to try to be more mindful of that from now on and appreciate her fully every day.

Because of the way our midwife clinics fall I won't get my discharge appointment until the 31st. He was born on the 8th! Lol not that it really matters, we're doing ok. Can't believe he's a week old tomorrow!

I've only met my community mw once at sixteen weeks! I've been discharged now too...

Barbeasty Fri 14-Dec-12 13:17:17

Just marking my place, then I'll catch up.later when I.can charge my phone!

Secondsop Fri 14-Dec-12 13:28:20

Z was weighed today, not back at his birthweight yet and has only put on 10g since day 5. The midwife wondered whether his birth weight was wrong as she said he didn't look like a baby that had weighed 3kg. She thought that because my body has had a lot to deal with re the high blood pressure, I might not be producing the good fatty milk yet. She's coming back next week to weigh him again. She wasn't worried about dehydration or anything and said he looked fine. His feeding curve has also been a bit different as he started off on formula only for 5 days so he would have lost more weight from day 5 onwards when we got him breastfeeding so it may well be that he dipped down and has climbed back up again in the past 10 days. He is feeding well and producing nappies. She also said it wouldn't do any harm to give him the odd formula top up like we've been doing about once a day.

So I can't see the bf lady I saw at the antenatal class because I've been discharged from the midwives so now I have to phone the children's centre to get the number of a peer support worker and then phone them. It seems like a lot of hassle and makes me want to cry (I won't though I'll just moan on here)

MW been for his weigh in, gained 60g since 5 days (now 8days). Still on 10.4% lose since birth, but hopefully won't need another visit after weigh in on Sunday. His jaundice is also improving. Now to dig DH out of bed and think about heading for F's hearing test!

Spotty I was told the peer support would be coming to see us yesterday, but didn't come sad going to try to go to the support group on Monday at Sure Start, I need to start baby socialising!

We don't have another group on until Christmas Eve hmm

MaMaPo Fri 14-Dec-12 14:16:44

Sounds like I'm but the only one who's been fed up with waiting for visits that never happen! We just had our first HV visit - she was lovely, very enthusiastic and a bit scatterbrained, and said there's never to early to start expressing and freezing breast milk. So now I need to do a bit of research into pumps etc.

She also said I should express so when my husband's parents are over, 'you two lovebirds can go out to dinner!' I like her style!

Bellaboo123 Fri 14-Dec-12 15:36:17

We had discharge from MW and met the HV today...Aurelia's weight is on the up 5lb 14oz - 6lb 2oz

We were also give the ok to express so I may try a bottle a day and see how we get on!

kate2boysandabump Fri 14-Dec-12 16:29:50

Day 4 here and we are feeding constantly. I'm totally done in and can't wait for dh to get home. Not sure how I'm going to make dinner for the other 2. Maybe tomorrow will be better.

Also his cord is looking like it might get infected as it was cut so short. It looks horrible.

My milk.has come in and my boobs hurt and I have a headache from all the feeding.

Hoping for better soon sad

Oh kate bad day sad Can the boys have beans on toast? Dd has had a fair bit of oven food lately unfortunately but it won't be forever smile

FriendofDorothy Fri 14-Dec-12 16:59:05

Edward James was born at 8.13am today. Labour lasted 3.5 hours only. He was born 45 mins after we got to hospital. Gas and air only with a nice second degree tear to his name. He is beautiful!

Welcome FoD grin not many more left to come over here now!

CODwidow Fri 14-Dec-12 18:17:50

kate I'm also suffering with headaches, I've literally had a permanent one since delivery, makes things so hard sad

We're feeding every 3 hours or so but it takes well over an hour each time not sure how that's going to work when dh is back at work next work. I have to say the sling has been amazing and it means I can get things done and she falls asleep every time she's in it.

I found day 4 and 5 hard, feeling totally overwhelmed and I also cried most of the day as I can't remember the moments after Keira was born as I went into shock and I feel really bad about it. Bloody hormones!

Secondsop Fri 14-Dec-12 18:18:19

Congratulations friend of Dorothy !

RarelyUnreasonable Fri 14-Dec-12 18:49:04

wine for 2boys
Congrats dorothy. Great choice of name - snap with the first name!

Baby has his first cold - just been to minor illness clinic as he is all hot and sniffly and cross and sneezy. They obviously diagnosed us as PreciousSecondBorn-itis.

PurplePidjChickIsNotTheMessiah Fri 14-Dec-12 18:55:47

Congratulations FoD thanks

I think we need a list for keeping track! I'll kick off...

PurplePidjin - Raphael 6lb3oz 19/11

Honeycantthinkofanxmasnickname Fri 14-Dec-12 18:59:32

Are we doing the list in birth order or just as we get round to adding ourselves?! Will update when I get to the computer!

PurplePidjChickIsNotTheMessiah Fri 14-Dec-12 19:04:53

Birth order, I reckon grin

Honeycantthinkofanxmasnickname Fri 14-Dec-12 19:09:07

HoneyMum - Dashiell Vig 4lb14oz 25/10
PurplePidjin - Raphael 6lb3oz 19/11

RarelyUnreasonable Fri 14-Dec-12 19:10:03

PurplePidjin - Raphael 6lb3oz 19/11
RarelyUnreasonable - Edward 6lb 140z 23/11

RarelyUnreasonable Fri 14-Dec-12 19:11:06

cross post! Glad I'm not the only non-December one sneaking in grin

HoneyMum - Dashiell Vig 4lb14oz 25/10
PurplePidjin - Raphael 6lb3oz 19/11
RarelyUnreasonable - Edward 6lb 14oz 23/11

HoneyMum - Dashiell Vig 4lb14oz 25/10
PurplePidjin - Raphael 6lb3oz 19/11
RarelyUnreasonable - Edward 6lb 14oz 23/11
SpottyTeacakes - Felix 7lb 12oz 26/11

HoneyMum - Dashiell Vig 4lb14oz 25/10
PurplePidjin - Raphael 6lb3oz 19/11
RarelyUnreasonable - Edward 6lb 14oz 23/11
StaceyM - Ethan Timothy 7lb 7oz 8/12

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HoneyMum - Dashiell Vig 4lb14oz 25/10
PurplePidjin - Raphael 6lb3oz 19/11
RarelyUnreasonable - Edward 6lb 14oz 23/11
SpottyTeacakes - Felix 7lb 12oz 26/11
StaceyM - Ethan Timothy 7lb 7oz 8/12

Secondsop Fri 14-Dec-12 19:39:46

HoneyMum - Dashiell Vig 4lb14oz 25/10
PurplePidjin - Raphael 6lb3oz 19/11
RarelyUnreasonable - Edward 6lb 14oz 23/11
SpottyTeacakes - Felix 7lb 12oz 26/11
Secondsop - Zachariah 6lb 10oz 29/11
StaceyM - Ethan Timothy 7lb 7oz 8/12

MaMaPo Fri 14-Dec-12 19:42:27

HoneyMum - Dashiell Vig 4lb14oz 25/10
PurplePidjin - Raphael 6lb3oz 19/11
RarelyUnreasonable - Edward 6lb 14oz 23/11
SpottyTeacakes - Felix 7lb 12oz 26/11
Secondsop - Zachariah 6lb 10oz 29/11
MaMaPo - Charlotte 7lb 2oz 5/12
StaceyM - Ethan Timothy 7lb 7oz 8/12

FriendofDorothy Fri 14-Dec-12 19:53:34

Can someone add us the the list please?

Edward James 7lb 6.5oz 14.12.12

CODwidow Fri 14-Dec-12 20:04:53

And me please: Keira Jayne 9lb 2oz born 8/12/12 thank you

cashmere Fri 14-Dec-12 20:49:15

Just checking in Finlay born 4/12 8lb 6oz.
Just spent 9 nights in hospital after our homebirth (which was fine)......only got home this afternoon so I'll update tomorrow or next day!

HoneyMum - Dashiell Vig 4lb14oz 25/10
PurplePidjin - Raphael 6lb3oz 19/11
RarelyUnreasonable - Edward 6lb 14oz 23/11
SpottyTeacakes - Felix 7lb 12oz 26/11
Secondsop - Zachariah 6lb 10oz 29/11
Cashmere - Finlay born 8lb 6oz 4/12
MaMaPo - Charlotte 7lb 2oz 5/12
StaceyM - Ethan Timothy 7lb 7oz 8/12
CODwidow - Keira Jayne 9lb 2oz 8/12
FriendofDorothy - Edward James 7lb 6.5oz 14/12

brooke89 Fri 14-Dec-12 22:22:28

HoneyMum - Dashiell Vig 4lb14oz 25/10
PurplePidjin - Raphael 6lb3oz 19/11
RarelyUnreasonable - Edward 6lb 14oz 23/11
SpottyTeacakes - Felix 7lb 12oz 26/11
Secondsop - Zachariah 6lb 10oz 29/11
Cashmere - Finlay born 8lb 6oz 4/12
MaMaPo - Charlotte 7lb 2oz 5/12
StaceyM - Ethan Timothy 7lb 7oz 8/12
CODwidow - Keira Jayne 9lb 2oz 8/12
FriendofDorothy - Edward James 7lb 6.5oz 14/12
brooke89 - Isla 6lb 12oz 9/12

ISpyDingDongMerrilyOnHigh Fri 14-Dec-12 22:27:02

HoneyMum - Dashiell Vig 4lb14oz 25/10
PurplePidjin - Raphael 6lb3oz 19/11
RarelyUnreasonable - Edward 6lb 14oz 23/11
SpottyTeacakes - Felix 7lb 12oz 26/11
Secondsop - Zachariah 6lb 10oz 29/11
ISpyPlumPie - Nathaniel Joseph 7lb 10 oz 1/12
Cashmere - Finlay born 8lb 6oz 4/12
MaMaPo - Charlotte 7lb 2oz 5/12
StaceyM - Ethan Timothy 7lb 7oz 8/12
CODwidow - Keira Jayne 9lb 2oz 8/12
FriendofDorothy - Edward James 7lb 6.5oz 14/12

HoneyMum - Dashiell Vig 4lb14oz 25/10
PurplePidjin - Raphael 6lb3oz 19/11
RarelyUnreasonable - Edward 6lb 14oz 23/11
SpottyTeacakes - Felix 7lb 12oz 26/11
Secondsop - Zachariah 6lb 10oz 29/11
Cashmere - Finlay born 8lb 6oz 4/12
MaMaPo - Charlotte 7lb 2oz 5/12
EggsMichelle - Felix 7lb 13oz 6/12
StaceyM - Ethan Timothy 7lb 7oz 8/12
CODwidow - Keira Jayne 9lb 2oz 8/12
FriendofDorothy - Edward James 7lb 6.5oz 14/12
brooke89 - Isla 6lb 12oz 9/12

ISpyDingDongMerrilyOnHigh Fri 14-Dec-12 22:30:25

Aaargh - DS1 has got a vomiting bug. Hate seeing my little boy poorly sad. Also really worried about N getting it. Being extra vigilant about hand-washing etc. but know it might not be enough. He just seems so tiny and vulnerable.

HoneyMum - Dashiell Vig 4lb14oz 25/10
PurplePidjin - Raphael 6lb3oz 19/11
RarelyUnreasonable - Edward 6lb 14oz 23/11
SpottyTeacakes - Felix 7lb 12oz 26/11
Secondsop - Zachariah 6lb 10oz 29/11
ISpyPlumPie - Nathaniel Joseph 7lb 10 oz 1/12
Cashmere - Finlay born 8lb 6oz 4/12
MaMaPo - Charlotte 7lb 2oz 5/12
EggsMichelle - Felix 7lb 13oz 6/12
StaceyM - Ethan Timothy 7lb 7oz 8/12
CODwidow - Keira Jayne 9lb 2oz 8/12
brooke89 - Isla 6lb 12oz 9/12
FriendofDorothy - Edward James 7lb 6.5oz 14/12

Hope everything ok Cashmere, 9days is a long time!

Congratulations and welcome FoD.

After an afternoon of terrible feeding, resulting in me cry and being sent to bed hmm I can't get the child off my boob! He has been feeding since 21.00, done one explosive poo and I had cold chicken soup for my tea!!!

brooke89 Sat 15-Dec-12 01:11:54

Finding the nights terrible here I've not got more than 2 hours sleep since we've brought Isla home. So annoyed that MIL came round earlier and she slept for 3 hours - I could of been sleeping then!!!

Bellaboo123 Sat 15-Dec-12 01:34:14

Please could someone add me too...

Aurelia 5lb 14oz 01.12.12

Awake doing a feed do thought I would say hello! Keep meaning to check in but so hectic.
Could someone update me please

Belle 8lb 4 12/12/12

FriendofDorothy Sat 15-Dec-12 02:53:19

Oh my word. Who wants to see poo that colour in the middle of the night. Black and stuck to his balls. No wonder he was squawking!

CODwidow Sat 15-Dec-12 03:03:24

Hi fod and cookies awake here too!

Hi everyone! We're up feeding. Could have been back asleep by now if Ethan hadn't squeaked for 20 mins instead of latching hmm

MaMaPo Sat 15-Dec-12 04:26:00

Up too, although my baby and amazing husband let me get an almost 4 hour stretch! Easily the longest since the birth. Good little family. I think I've worked out that she can always feed a little bit more, and have been tying to feed in 2 goes without something rousing - usually nappy change - in between.

I swear, the noises she makes are getting funnier every day.

MaMaPo Sat 15-Dec-12 04:27:02

Oops - I mean WITH something rousing. Doesn't work the other way.

PurplePidjChickIsNotTheMessiah Sat 15-Dec-12 04:37:06

Signing in, haven't quite managed 4 hours yet but there are signs he's getting there grin

PurplePidjChickIsNotTheMessiah Sat 15-Dec-12 04:42:30

HoneyMum - Dashiell Vig 4lb14oz 25/10
PurplePidjin - Raphael 6lb3oz 19/11
RarelyUnreasonable - Edward 6lb 14oz 23/11
SpottyTeacakes - Felix 7lb 12oz 26/11
Secondsop - Zachariah 6lb 10oz 29/11
ISpyPlumPie - Nathaniel Joseph 7lb 10 oz 1/12
Bellaboo123 - Aurelia 5lb 14oz 01/12
Cashmere - Finlay born 8lb 6oz 4/12
MaMaPo - Charlotte 7lb 2oz 5/12
EggsMichelle - Felix 7lb 13oz 6/12
StaceyM - Ethan Timothy 7lb 7oz 8/12
CODwidow - Keira Jayne 9lb 2oz 8/12
brooke89 - Isla 6lb 12oz 9/12
Cookiesandcoffee - Belle 8lb 4 12/12
FriendofDorothy - Edward James 7lb 6.5oz 14/12

FriendofDorothy Sat 15-Dec-12 05:05:11

Feeding here too. Seem to be managing with breast feeding which is the most amazing feeling in the world!

I am so tired tho. Hoping to go home tomorrow.

I think I have colic, I can feel the air bubble moving! Felix is turning out to be quite a good sleeper, DH has promised he will come to bed tomo night instead of staying awake to sooth him/play world of war craft all night! Fed him at 23.00 and 02.00 and just got up to feed him again and he is fast asleep so gone back to bed.

We fed at 7, 8, 9, 9:30, 10:00, 10:30, 1:30, 4:30, 5:15 and now in in a foul mood because in tired. That cluster feeding should have got me a four hour stretch easily! Ds seems to be wide awake now too. Wtf I'm typing on iPhone and the writing keeps disappearing confused

Ugh, another baby in a strange mood here. Currently dosing while feeding.

Feeding again now…

WeeJo08 Sat 15-Dec-12 06:14:53

HoneyMum - Dashiell Vig 4lb14oz 25/10
PurplePidjin - Raphael 6lb3oz 19/11
RarelyUnreasonable - Edward 6lb 14oz 23/11
SpottyTeacakes - Felix 7lb 12oz 26/11
Secondsop - Zachariah 6lb 10oz 29/11
WeeJo08 - Claudia 7lb 2oz 01/12
ISpyPlumPie - Nathaniel Joseph 7lb 10 oz 1/12
Bellaboo123 - Aurelia 5lb 14oz 01/12
Cashmere - Finlay born 8lb 6oz 4/12
MaMaPo - Charlotte 7lb 2oz 5/12
EggsMichelle - Felix 7lb 13oz 6/12
StaceyM - Ethan Timothy 7lb 7oz 8/12
CODwidow - Keira Jayne 9lb 2oz 8/12
brooke89 - Isla 6lb 12oz 9/12
Cookiesandcoffee - Belle 8lb 4 12/12
FriendofDorothy - Edward James 7lb 6.5oz 14/12

WeeJo08 Sat 15-Dec-12 06:17:45

We had some projectile vomiting action from C after her 3:30 feed. Seemed okay after it & not hungry. Up again now though & feeding again. Tired. Welcome to all latest arrivals!

FriendofDorothy Sat 15-Dec-12 06:41:11

One of the ward carets came in and took him for an hour. She must have brought him back when I was soundo. I think I love her though!

olliebob Sat 15-Dec-12 06:42:46

HoneyMum - Dashiell Vig 4lb14oz 25/10
PurplePidjin - Raphael 6lb3oz 19/11
RarelyUnreasonable - Edward 6lb 14oz 23/11
SpottyTeacakes - Felix 7lb 12oz 26/11
Secondsop - Zachariah 6lb 10oz 29/11
WeeJo08 - Claudia 7lb 2oz 01/12
ISpyPlumPie - Nathaniel Joseph 7lb 10 oz 1/12
Bellaboo123 - Aurelia 5lb 14oz 01/12
Cashmere - Finlay born 8lb 6oz 4/12
MaMaPo - Charlotte 7lb 2oz 5/12
EggsMichelle - Felix 7lb 13oz 6/12
StaceyM - Ethan Timothy 7lb 7oz 8/12
CODwidow - Keira Jayne 9lb 2oz 8/12
brooke89 - Isla 6lb 12oz 9/12
olliebob- Elizabeth 6lb 15oz 9/12
Cookiesandcoffee - Belle 8lb 4 12/12
FriendofDorothy - Edward James 7lb 6.5oz 14/12

olliebob Sat 15-Dec-12 06:44:32

Hi well i have not managed to get on here much since haing dd2 but dont know why considering she keeps us up most of the night. We are both doing fine and really hope everyone else is too with there little bundles

PurplePidjChickIsNotTheMessiah Sat 15-Dec-12 07:35:16

Hurrah, a night of 3 hour sleeps! And very full boobs, so i think all the cluster feeding had paid off - feed length is going down fractionally, too. Hang in there!! grin

RarelyUnreasonable Sat 15-Dec-12 07:45:54

Two sleepless nights in a row <wails>. He has a cold so I assume that's why. Bad mood here!

Bellaboo123 Sat 15-Dec-12 08:14:34

spotty if it makes you feel any better we're mirroring your feeds...