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December 2011 - they'll soon be one, put away the <haddocks> and bring out the bunting!

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seven77 Sat 03-Nov-12 09:38:45

I loved kate's thread name but thought we needed a birthday theme for this one. We'll soon have 6 weeks of birthdays to celebrate!

Figgygal Sat 03-Nov-12 09:47:27

Marking place!!

DS Is off for a walk with mcgranny (my mum) I wish I could nap but never managed it even when he was teeny

seven77 Sat 03-Nov-12 09:58:25

figgy at least put your feet up and have a cuppa.

<Marks Plaice> grin

Night was good. It was for a local charity Friends of the Disabled. Helps to send local people on holiday, respite care etc. raised 2.5k last night.

Sky has gone down for a nap. Darcie is playing Kinect and I'm eating breakfast.

MissZombRee Sat 03-Nov-12 10:11:11

Marking place!

Have we got any November birthdays? It's still over 2 months til Freya's grin

seven77 Sat 03-Nov-12 11:30:43

Wow DSM, 2.5k is fantastic!

ZombRee Eva is the 21st, air's Hope was only a few days later, and I think kristy's LO may also be this month.

KateM77 Sat 03-Nov-12 12:14:06

Marking place. Good thread name choice seven

We now have 7 teeth through. 'Only' 13 more to go sad <grabs one of the large coffees from the tray>

Aethelfleda Sat 03-Nov-12 16:08:04

Plaice marking here too...

It's coooold! <huddles around coffee>

fireworks for the DDs tonight. dS wins a night in with daddy as it's too parky and I don't think he'd appreciate it.

mopsytop Sat 03-Nov-12 16:09:33

hi all, ugh cold has reached epic proportions, lost my voice, completely bunged up, nose agony from blowing one million times, sinusy headache, hurts so much to cough and SO MUCH WORK to do. Just want to stay in bed but alas, Excel is instead my lot sad

On the plus side, after a mega clingy day yesterday, minim is on the mend. I am a couple of days behind her on this cold so judging by her, I should be feeling better by Tuesday ...

Thanks for the coffee aethel, think I need hot lemon and honey instead, oooh might go and make some before getting back to the HELL that is Excel. Oooh that rhymes. Ugh brain going already ...

Hope you are all having a lovely weekend so far ...

Oh and figgy in the past couple of days, minim has been rivalling figgyboy in the poosplosions. This morning all up her back to her neck, ALL OVER HER, yesterday the same. Had to put her in bath. I even threw away one vest as I couldn't face dealing with it!

seven77 Sat 03-Nov-12 18:22:41

kate Eva still has no teeth hmm.

mopsy sorry you're feeling rough, can you not take a night off, have a bath and an early night?

Eva took her first step today! This is so new and exciting, with the muscular dystrophy DS was almost 2 before he started walking, he was barely even commando crawling by now sad

mopsytop Sat 03-Nov-12 19:35:14

Yay for Eva seven!

I did 8 hours straight of Excel and managed to do what I had planned to today. I am tired but pleased. I am now going to relax a while then have an early night. And will dose myself up on Lemsip. I kept my husband awake last night by being so snuffly and also he said I was moaning in my sleep ???? I was jolly uncomfortable and feeling rotten last night so I guess that's why. Fingers crossed tonight goes better.

Ah, time to break out the good ol' hazmat suits again...

I would dread to think what you'd be doing that required so much spread-sheeting mopsy, but I guess with research it's par for the course. Grim though! Really hope you're on the mend soon.

And wow for Eva, that's brilliant seven. It just goes to show how 'personal' the development of babies is, if she's walking but has no teeth.

A belated thank-you for the coffee aethel, much appreciated. DS slept til gone six! but had warbled earlier at about 4.45 am which woke me, and I didn't get back to sleep. I've told DP I'm having the lie in tomorrow, and a 'natural term' one as well, as in hang the bf, I'm sleeping until I wake up.

Been great here today- we've finally got the car sorted (bloody garage had not fitted the thermostat properly, but got it right this time) and went off and started the Xmas shopping. I also got myself a coat- put all my birthday money toward it, and my Mum's giving me money for Xmas for it too, and it had a 20% discount, so really pleased.
DS has been a total delight- DP we forgot to take any of his dining stuff with us, so had to buy a beaker and some toddler cutlery whilst we were out blush. But we just loaded up the spoon/fork and he fed himself without having handled cutlery before, so we'll build on that and get him using it properly.

So, got a nice pasta dinner and a bit of red wine to look forward to, and will catch up on a bit of TV before the footie.

Heavens, just checked out 'most active' and it was the Oct '12 crew... Really brings it back, all these other people having our conversations smile but now we're a year on.
Really brought back the intensity of it all.

Xiaoxiong Sat 03-Nov-12 20:00:05

Marking place to say I think it is our Air that started this thread about the bonfire and I really hope she and the kids are ok...so worried about them, a giant bonfire was lit tonight 20 feet from their back door by some drunk lunatics. I hope she's dialling 999 as I type.

Northern he fed himself!? That's amazing! DS can just about bang a spoon on the edge of a bowl. Aiming the loaded end of a spoon at his mouth just seems like a pipe dream!

aethel I love the mug from the end of the last thread. I'm totally having that made!

seven77 Sat 03-Nov-12 20:57:02

Thanks for letting us know xiao, it's definitely her, there's a photo of Hope on her profile. Really hope they're all ok.

SpectralMissSpooky Sat 03-Nov-12 21:30:07

Been following the bonfire thing since yesterday morning, so worried for Air sad Desperately hope they're all safesad

Forgot who mentioned teeth, none here thus far, but it's not impeding his toast demolition technique. He had a meal today that wasn't 'beige' (toast, porridge etc.) for the first time in about a fortnight. The bug he had really rocked his digestive system, and his confidence. He seemed to enjoy the chicken and veg though - even if he does eat so slowly now compared to beforesad

Off to bed, still on 1-2 hour wake upssad

KateM77 Sat 03-Nov-12 21:52:34

<pompoms> for Eva seven, that's so lovely for you. DS is now moving about a little bit, but not through any discernable action. Not a proper bum shuffle or a crawl, just a weird rocking between sitting and being on his hands and knees. He gets stuck and cries if he ends up on his tummy!

hawthers Sun 04-Nov-12 07:07:45

Marking spot back later to update but hope air is ok

Does sound a bit grim, but at least the fire died down last night from what air said on the last page. Just because it's celebration time seems to make people forget they're handling explosives and carrying on in a manner that would at any other time get you arrest for arson and public order offences!

I know, I was amazed Xiao, and to think if we'd been competent parents we'd have never have found out grin. DP was convinced he was going to sprong his eyeball on the fork, but nope, just went off using both like he had been for ages.
We'll have to take the next step and see if he can load it up himself.
<stockpiles cloths and wipes for inevitable carnage>

Know what you mean about the food though SMS, DS lived off yoghurt and a bit of toast for about a week and half after we were all so ill, but mainly just survived on milk. Glad Octoboy is feeling a bit better too, but Bob knows how you're coping with the wake ups... sad

Aethelfleda Sun 04-Nov-12 09:02:31

Morning! Looked on the other thread and it seems air is OK though understandably rattled. air I take it you own your place so you can't just give notice and move to another rental? Maybe if you own it's worth asking the council housing officers and Citezens advice beareau if they have any hardship grants available for fence replacement? Round our way they have a special improvement fund (left as a bequest by a rich old lady) and they fund education grants and basic furnishing/health related things for people who are low on cash. It's worth asking as it's the sort of thing there may be a funding pot for even if it's a simple thing like a double metal spike fence (which would let the wind through so wouldn't fall over, but would deflect a lot of the heat) if you point out that it's affeting the young children, council housing officers can sometimes be be sympathetic even if you're not a council renter.

mopsytop Sun 04-Nov-12 10:17:10

poor air, what a nightmare. Can't believe that's allowed. Glad all okay in the end.

I am in bed feeling sorry for myself, cold got worse, chest is so so painful when I cough and have horrible sinus pains in my head and all my upper teeth. Been throbbing all night keeping me awake. I must have a little chest infection I suppose. Nothing to do except stay in bed and drink loads of water I think, but I have to get up and go to work tomorrow and bring minim to the hospital to see the consultant about her kidney scan, so hoping a day in bed today will get me on the path to wellness. So far minimopsy's cold has not developed into a chest infection so fingers crossed she doesn't get worse again. She was up at 5 this morning and wouldn't stop bawling unless I was holding her. I was awake anyway as feeling rough so just sat in the dark cuddling her for an hour and a half. If I tried to put her down she woke up and bawled but slept happily if I held her. My husband has taken her out in the baby carrier (a rucksack thing you wear on your back, she loves being up high and able to see everything) and I am in bed. Think will have another nap now.

Hope all have a nice Sunday ...

MissZombRee Sun 04-Nov-12 13:31:52

Ah Mopsy, that sucks sad have you tried any decongestants? I had some good ones for sinus pain just before I got pregnant. I can't remember what they were called but they were capsules filled with tiny pink balls. You can buy them over the counter - I just asked for the strongest without prescription and they gave me them. They were fab!

OiMissus Sun 04-Nov-12 16:01:45

Marking place! Finally read thru everything, ready to post, BOi's woken up.

Ah, glad you're back on thread Oi.

DP and I had a 'miscommunication'... Obviously me saying I not only wanted, but needed a lie-in, and it was going to be a natural term one (which I explained was I'd wake when I bloody well woke) somehow reached his ears as "lie in bed until the child's wailing gets really loud and your DP is properly awake, and then bring DS up 20 minutes later to feed so she can't possibly settle. Oh, and leave the monitor on so she can hear everything."

Sigh.

Dishwasher arrived at 7, and then all three of us went back to bed at half 9. I then stayed there til half one.... Which I needed but somewhat threw a spanner in the works confused!

But delighted to have it, and also managed to tidy up the front of the house, even though I didn't get the gardening done that I wanted.

And keep on meaning to say, the wheely bug on the front page of MN is precisely what DS is getting from my Mum for Xmas! It's so funny, a shop in our tiny little market town up North has had them for years, and I always promised myself that if I had kids they would get one. It's come true, but looks like I'm accidentally in fashion this year grin.

Mopsy, really hope you improve, any thoughts of going for anti-biotics?

Aethelfleda Sun 04-Nov-12 21:33:59

Mopsy, gO and get yourself checked; if it is a nasty rattly down in the chest infection, antibiotics will help. If it's all clear down below and is just upper airway noises then at least you'll know your chest is clear. Do you have a swinging fever with it? Do try to make time to get seen, it's so easy/tempting to look after ourselves last as mums. Hope all is OK tomorrow with miniMopsy.

Have finally started my next knitting project: am knitting a pair of long trousers for DS: have some lovely rainbow coloured wool for the trim and mix of greens for the body of it, though actually starting to knit it, the wool feels thinner than It claims to be. Hppe it will be warm enough for the grotty weather, otherwise they will end up as glorified tights!!

It's all rather far forward for most of you girls but I cleared out the DDs schoolbags and was annoyed to find extra homework sheets lurking in there. Enjoy the homework-free time while you can! dD1 is seven and had a weather chart, a christmas card todfesign, a maths sheet, a holiday journal entry, and a set of spellings. dD2 (who is 5 and a bit) had spellings, holiday journal, christmas card design and a maths sheet. Plus daily reading... And that's during a one week holiday in a lowish ofsted ranking state school, not a pushy private one!!

<wheels out the decaf for you nightshifters: Will be joining you tonight I think, DS is working on tooths number six and seven and has already woken twice...>

SpectralMissSpooky Mon 05-Nov-12 06:13:50

Had enough now. Don't think I can cope like this for much longer.

CheungFun Mon 05-Nov-12 08:20:24

Oh no! Spectral, is there anyone around who can give you a break at all? Sounds like you've had a bad night?

Mopsy yep I'd definitely second the advice to get yourself a dr's appt!

We've not been having much fun here, DS has got a chest infection and is on antibiotics sad he just looks and sounds so rough! It would help if he could blow his nose or cough up as I think it's all gone down to his chest. I've just got a standard cold.

On the plus side, I've done the washing up (from last night...oops), sorted the washing and put a load through the machine and DS is having a nap.

((hug)) SMS, is there anyway you can have a break from him atm? Really hope he starts sleeping properly soon.

We're now actively ttc#2 again so hopefully it won't take 9 months again just to have another miscarriage.
MIL revealed this weekend that she's told everyone that I had one, even though we asked her not too, so if I ever get pregnant again & keep ahold of it she's not finding out until 20wk scan.

aethel, knitting project sounds lovely!

We've all got manflu in chez horse so not a happy bunch.

OiMissus Mon 05-Nov-12 09:23:26

I wrote down all the name-checks and comments on the back of an envelope yesterday - and it's at home... sorry! I'll try and name check later.
spectral you need some time out. I really hope that octoboy is better soon and that you can get some support.
China was good. The party (and the preparation for it) was hectic, but good fun. I am 40. yikes! The fireworks were amazing. BOi wasn't so sure about them. But managed the majority of them with his cheek pressed against mine so he could feel my happiness and calmness, hear my whoops and squeals , and feel safe.
Yesterday we tidied up and said goodbye to the family that were staying over.
One bad thing happened. Some old friends came. Whilst I've moved on and moved up, they've gone the other way. One girl, a mum, decided not to bring her 4 yo daughter, wanting to get pi$$ed instead. She was already half cut before she arrived. She proceeded to get drunk very quickly and started to annoy people. I warned her 3 times about her foul language. I only found out yesterday that she really upset one of my guests. (Another friend was talking about a lovely weekend with her 10yo nephew, where they'd snuggled up in the same bed - the former friend told her that it was wrong... You can imagine).
As DH tidied the balcony yesterday, he found a discarded small plastic bag which had evidently contained white powder. I'm still livid. Disgusted that they would bring something like that to my house, and appalled that they would discard it in a place where Children were playing, or where Ali could find it - as he puts everything he finds into his mouth. I'm furious.
This former friend is a mess. I feel sorry for her DD. really quite worrying. I saw her a few months ago, for the first time in a few yrs. She told me was an alcoholic, she accepted it and was taking action, getting help, and starting college. She had tried to kill herself twice, but was now on the road to recovery.
I want to ring her and rant. But that's not going to help anyone. I'm going to walk away. It may sound harsh that I am not stepping up to help out, but my life is too busy already, and Alistair is too precious. But what about her daughter?
She does have some family around. The dad is somewhere in Africa and no longer part of her life. But I think he was a coke dealer, so they're well rid of that.
She's done ok with her daughter so far, I guess. And since the suicide attempts are now involved with social services, etc. it's a niggling doubt. But it's time to walk away.

SpectralMissSpooky Mon 05-Nov-12 09:23:47

Sorry, I was having a one woman pity party, fuelled by poorly spawns, poorly me and a baby who sees no reason to sleep in his own bed at the moment. Saw every hour from 1, and most of thef hour as well from 4.

I might have to nap later or my head is going to fall off!

Hope the lurgies start leaving the thread alone soon, I think we've had our sharesad

SpectralMissSpooky Mon 05-Nov-12 09:28:06

Walk away, as it is sensible to do. For the sake of the child though, I'd ring social services on my way with your suspicion. If they're already involved they can hopefully do something about it. Strand tests are pretty common in such cases.

Glad the rest if your party went wellsmile

seven77 Mon 05-Nov-12 09:57:44

oi, not surprised you're livid, I second SMS advice, I'd ring them and then walk away. Putting her own child at risk is one thing, but to bring it into your home and leave it where BOi could find it is pretty sick tbh.

SMS no helpful suggestions but really hope it improves soon ((hug)).

Most of my Christmas shopping should be delivered either today or tomorrow, I've just got a few little bits left to buy now.

DD had her best night for a long time last last, she woke at 11, I put her music on for a few minutes and she went back to sleep again. I heard her at 3, she went back to sleep on her own then didnt get up until 6.45!

Kitty5824 Mon 05-Nov-12 09:58:38

Oi glad you enjoyed the party, even if that one guest has managed to taint things for you. I agree it is time to walk away. Do you have any other mutual friends that you can dump your worries on who might be able to put your mind at rest that someone else is keeping an eye on things?

I too had multiple name checks. The problem with my spangly smart phone is that I check the thread REALLY regularly but find it easier to post from the laptop....that's my excuse!!

Hope Air is ok after the bonfire in the back garden. I do love MN in situations like that. She got loads of good advice and support (I haven't checked since Sat night so I hope she didn't end up getting a torrent of abuse....)

I have had a sickness bug or food poisoning this weekend. Started feeling icky just before we left my Mum's on Sat to go to her village bonfire night. By the time I'd wrapped DS in the sling I felt faint. The walk cleared my head a bit, but I had to take him off and let DH hold him for the fireworks as I was convinced I was going to be ill. Missed out on the hog roast and everything sad

Was ill back at Mums, we had to stay an hour later than we'd planned until I felt well enough to drive home (DH did enjoy both the hog roast and the mulled wine grin)

Typically the family photo shoot that Mum won was booked for yesterday so I slapped on the makeup. We'll see how they turned out hmm. Oh, and my boy who loves the camera would not co-operate for the photographer at all. His cousin, who usually just looks quizically at the camera was amazing. Proper baby model. Gah!

In other news, still no job offers (I really really want to be a postman!!), the decorating is going well but the skylight on the top landing leaks so looks like we'll be paying out for a new window, and we have officially started ttc. DH has had more action in the past week than he has all year!! grin grin grin

Kitty5824 Mon 05-Nov-12 09:59:29

As I posted that DS crawled from the front room to the kitchen. I'm hoping I hadn't shut the gate properly or we have a real problem.......

seven77 Mon 05-Nov-12 10:09:49

Meant to say AWCH we waited until I had my first proper period after my mc until we started trying again, I got pregnant first time. Hope it's the same for you, I've heard that you're super-fertile after a mc.

Good luck to you too kitty!

Anyone else feeling broody? grin

Xiaoxiong Mon 05-Nov-12 12:00:29

Me seven. Oh so hideously broody...something about the cold crisp weather! But DH is still dubious about having another "so soon"...

Muffinpig Mon 05-Nov-12 12:40:52

Hi everyone, Gee here! My phone broke, couldn't figure out the temporary replacement so got out of the habbit of reading/posting but I'm back now. Fancied a name change too smile

Will try and read and catch up at some point. Good news is that DD is still sleeping at night! Wahoo! Daytime naps are another matter though...

Anyway, will try and catch up a bit and post later. Missed you all!

BeeMyBaby Mon 05-Nov-12 13:41:44

Re: Teeth, DD2 now has 9 after much moaning and clinginess over the weekend, and I think it'll be followed by #10 very soon judging by her cry sleeping last night, in the end I gave up trying to feed her to sleep and passed her to DH to snuggle till she slept.

I'm currently working on a photobook for DD2 of her first year for when she's older, anyone else doing one?

Xiaoxiong Mon 05-Nov-12 15:04:34

Nice to hear from you muffin! Are all your nicknames going to be food/beverage related? grin

Yikes Bee - but I guess it's good to know you're hurtling towards a complete set of teeth! DS still has only the 4 teeth he's had for months. I thought another one had broken through a week or 10 days ago (he was moaning badly enough!!)...but I couldn't feel them last night when I was brushing his teeth.

Worried this means we have much toothy misery lying in wait...

Muffinpig Mon 05-Nov-12 15:14:33

Probably xiao grin I do think about food most of the day!

Quick catch up, just to say ((hugs)) missree really hope all the tests come back clear. We have gone through similar with both DCs and it is so hard waiting for test results. And Happy Belated Birthday oi ! I did think about you on Saturday. Glad you enjoyed the party, and sorry that your friend put a dampener on things.

DD has started settling in at the CM and its going ok but she is refusing formula and sleep hmm

OiMissus Mon 05-Nov-12 15:31:09

Another name muffin (- I won't shorten it to pig!) welcome back!
For breakfast, I had leftover birthday cake. grin
For my lunch today, I had leftover birthday cake, parkin and treacle toffee. grin
For dinner, i shall be having leftover meat and potato pie, mushy peas and pickles (again - we had that last night too). grin
We binned the black peas, I could not face them for another day.
I also sent BOi off to the GPs today with (leftover) balloons. His favourite game EVER is holding a balloon, letting go of it, and then pointing to it on the ceiling until DH reaches up and gives it back to him. Strangely it is very endearing, rather than the annoying drop-on-the-floor-again game.
Aw! Last night was joyous. Our guests had gone and so it was just the 3 of us for the first time since last weekend. BOi can climb onto the day-bed/sofa thing that we brought up into the lounge for the party. He climbs up, sits up, gives himself a round of applause, rolls over to get down safely feet first, and repeats. Gorgeous.
We still have 6 teeth. Much redness of cheeks and chomping on things (me included) but no more are evident - that I can feel.
A friend shared this, so just sharing: "Just to let you know my sister who is a pediatric nurse has told me that chopped hot dog is the number 1 food that is causing death by choking in babies & small children followed by grapes."

MissRee Mon 05-Nov-12 16:07:21

Welcome back peeps smile

Have added a more recent piccie of Freya to my profile - tis my absolute favourite one grin

Really wish we could TTC #2 but financially, its not realistic! We need a bigger house!

SpectralMissSpooky Mon 05-Nov-12 16:16:51

Speak to me of wall mounting the tv. Octoboy has sussed the buttons out. They make a high pitched 'bip' noise when he presses them. This amuses him. He makes his own bippy music while dancing along. The minions are not amused >_<

I don't like wall mounted tellyage, but have no option. Bugger!

SMS, what size is your tv & where are the mounting holes in the back?

<melodramatic moment> seven, I really hope I'll be more fertile atm too, but we've been having lots of sex since I got a negative test post DS's birth so I don't think I'll be pregnant again anytime soon...hurrah for ttc Kitty!
Well done on being so prepared for Christmas!

<waves> at muffin!
DS is starting to refuse some feeds so we're swapping one feed a day over to moo juice so he's 100% cow fed by a year (next month!? <wibbles>).

Oi, sounds like you're well rid of your old friends (which always sucks), glad DH found the baggie before a kid did!

Xiaoxiong Mon 05-Nov-12 16:31:13

Aww Ree so sweet!!! What a lovely smile she has smile

I've just added a new pic of P to my profile as well.

MissRee Mon 05-Nov-12 16:34:20

Check out those big, beautiful blue eyes on P! He's gorgeous grin

ooh SMS I also need this info. T'is Kitty by the way!

When we move back into what was DH's lad's pad we will be wall mounting a tv in the bedroom. Personally I dislike TV's in the bedroom, but when he was doing up the house he decided he didn't need a working kitchen/bathroom (guess who lived next door to his DM and could go round for a shower/food?????) but did need to get all the wiring for surround sound tv and other gadgets put UNDER the plaster. I am now faced with a charming alcove in the living room which is covered in wonky sockets for speakers, amps and other things I do not understand. I may post a picture later in the week grin .TV's come with their own speakers built in, right?

Anyway, I digress. There is a socket and ariel point above the fireplace in the bedroom. My plan is to take advantage of TV in bedroom by finally sorting a proper bedime routine. Bath. Bottle in our bedroom watching some kind of calming baby tv (does such a thing exist? I don't watch any of it yet. Can anyone suggest an appropriate DVD?). Then into his cot. For maybe 3 hours before he ends up in our bed blush

Maybe I'll send DH out to by the bracket tonight and come back to you.....

Gorgous pics Ree & Xiao. Buy my, don't they look old sad

<wails> where have our babies gone?????

seven77 Mon 05-Nov-12 16:44:35

thekat if you want to be scared by how fast they're growing, DD will be one in 16 days! Oh, and she's now wearing 18-24 month tights and dresses.

Has anyone read the choking thread, terrifying.

Aethelfleda Mon 05-Nov-12 18:54:37

Choking on chopped hotdog? I'm guessing those are american statistics!!

Oh and grapes are better if chopped lengthways in half (the crossection is then a semicircle so they don't totally block the airway like a round kne would). Just avoid anything spherical (blueberries, maltesers, boiled sweets) Also, go for dissolvey type potato snacks like wotsits and pom bears as the "rigid" crisps like tortillas, proper crisps and pringles are easier to choke on. Only had one "real" choking incident with DD1 on a tortilla chip aged about one. Got it out with several back slaps but man, it was scary and not something I'd want to repeat.

SpectralMissSpooky Mon 05-Nov-12 19:52:05

Pretty babies! I'll rummage the laptop out tomorrow and stick one of the tentacled one upsmile

I have no idea where the holes for mounting frame are. I suspect it will have them, it's a new tv. One day I will get rid if it! Would love to be tellylesssmile

I've dealt with a choking five year old. She had a piece if undercooked macaroni stuck. Back thumps did it. Scary business thoughsad

BJR Mon 05-Nov-12 19:53:42

I have a walking baby (well he staggers about like a drunk, but I think it still counts) grin

Lovely pics missree and Xiao

DP had his first whole day looking after both boys at the same time and getting them to bed himself at the weekend as I went to a hen party. It all went suprisingly well, I should have more faith in him really.

Wow Seven only another 16 days and can't believe your DD is in 18-24 month clothes, my little shorty is still in 6-9 months in some things!

KateM77 Mon 05-Nov-12 20:16:12

Welcome back muffin

What lovely pics Xiao and Ree

Glad you enjoyed the party Oi. Such a shame about the 'friend'. Walking away certainly sounds like a good plan.

Good luck to those TTC, and go for it Xiao. I was really scared when I fell pg so quickly with DS, but our 20month age gap has been just lovely.

<pompoms> for the walking BJR

DD was sick in my hands today. It was not a highlight. On a cuter note, she struggles to say utility room, and I've just realised that she calls it the Lucy Tilly room. It will henceforth always be called that smile

seven77 Mon 05-Nov-12 21:04:43

Ugh to the sick kate, but the Lucy Tilly room is so cute!

BJR yay for the walking! All of her clothes look a bit daft tbh, she needs the longer length as she's so tall, but skinny so they hang off her. Still I guess she won't be complaining if she's 5ft 10 and a size 6 when she's older! How ate things with DP now?

DH bought alcohol free lager today bless him, tis actually very nice. And I ordered alcohol free Sauvignon style wine from tesco, which we'll try tomorrow. I hope it's nice, a 250ml glass is only 60 calories!

The Becks alcohol free is fine seven, although I have to admit I just had one or two 'normal' drinks of a week and otherwise just soft ones- I ran off diet Vimto! I too am feeling very broody, and it's bloody weird as I didn't feel broody before I had DS confused.
Gimme more babies now

And glad to hear that it's going well with DP at the moment BJR, that sounds positive? And brilliant that DS is walking, albeit in a cute staggering drunk way smile, and a petite little booze hound at that. Very cute pictures as well ladies, and all your babies have so much hair, am so envy! Can't wait to see a new one of Octoboy SMS. DP is just downloading a new set, so will put up some new ones of DS too.

How're you feeling AWCH, do you go to the epu in the end? We'll all be willing a bean your way for Xmas... And that's really crappy of your MiL, I've read quite a few threads on here about families that have done it and it's not on at all. Does she not get that it's tough for you both and you'd rather keep it private? (Hugs)

We're booked in for DS's parents evening, and I can't believe I've written those words. He'll be 11 months for heaven's sake, and he'll have been in the baby unit for three months. However stupid it feels, the pressure not to be the only parents who don't go along, and mark us out as 'uncaring', however bollocks that may be, is too strong.
Also, I am not averse to sitting and having someone confirm how wonderful DS is, so I suppose I'll live.... wink

SpectralMissSpooky Tue 06-Nov-12 07:00:48

Taking Octoboy to the doctor today. His chest has gone off again. No sleep at all last nightsad

Aethelfleda Tue 06-Nov-12 07:29:06

Sympathy LMF. we had teething grumps through 2-5 with 30 min dozes punctuated by whimpers and wriggles (for the last week he's been comjng into our bed simply as I then get half a night's sleep rather than repeated wails from the cot every ten minutes). Tooth count is still 5 but we think number six is the culprit...

<rolls out the barrel of uber-mature coffee>

CheungFun Tue 06-Nov-12 08:33:02

Aww cute photos Xiao and MissRee! They're both looking so grown up!

I definitely want another baby and I think we will aim for a 2-3 year age gap, but sometimes I do wonder if I struggle at times with one what the hell will happen when there are two?!

Anyway, good luck to those TTC! Btw what is a bfp?

Off to look at another nursery later, so I'm hoping I feel positive about it after the visit! I'm quite limited on choices as I don't drive so I need somewhere within walking distance of my workplace. This nursery is a 20 minute walk away so that's fine with me, anything over 30 minutes will be impossible with public transport added to the mix as well!

mopsytop Tue 06-Nov-12 09:00:54

Gorgeous babas Xiao and MissRee! They are getting so big.

My chest is on the mend (phew!) but it all moved up to my sinuses, I had such a bad sinus headache that I couldn't move my head. It felt like a migraine it was so bad, but the pain was different and in a different place, if that makes sense. Then I got sinus toothache, and was up until 3am in agony before I finally got to sleep after taking one of my left-over-from-childbirth codeine pills. The toothache is still agonising today. Bad sore throat as well, but at least it doesn't hurt to cough anymore I suppose. I have just spent ten minutes over a steaming bowl of boiling water with a towel over my head. Am going to do that once an hour. Also taking decongestent. And drinking as much water as I can stomach. Don't know what else I can do. Haven't felt so rubbish in a really long time. Third day in bed, this hasn't happened in a long while sad

My husband is being great, taking minimopsy to nursery, getting her up and putting her to bed and getting up during the night to settle her and doing everything else. Work has taken a back seat and I am feeling stressed, will try do some today.

Anyone any other tips on reducing the toothache pain? It's driving me crazy, I can't think of anything else except the pain. Sorry not to namecheck or respond to anyone, I am so selfish and me me me at the moment. Feeling v. sorry for myself! I will do when I feeling better, sorry sad

Aethelfleda Tue 06-Nov-12 09:32:31

Mopsy, ibuprofen is good for teeth, or soluble aspirin at high (900mg) doses. If you prefer herbal treatments oil of cloves is mean tto be helpful for teeth but i've never used that one personally. Hope it gets better v soon...

mopsytop Tue 06-Nov-12 09:36:00

Does it work even if the pain is caused by sinusitis?

mopsytop Tue 06-Nov-12 09:37:03

(sorry I meant to say thanks for the advice, aethel! ugh sorry I am being a very unpleasantly self-obsessed specimen today!)

OiMissus Tue 06-Nov-12 09:45:21

Love the Lucy Tilly room, Kate! Soooo sweet.
As are the pics of blue-eyed little handsome fellas Xiao, and uber-cute dimples MissRee!
I want another, am broody. I notice the changes in my body more now, and I think "Hmmm - this means I'm in fertile mode... Should we...?" But then I get my practical head on and think about childcare, and associated costs, and think "Maybe just not yet". hmm
I loved fireworks until yesterday. We had regular wake ups until gone midnight, with every big bang came a whimper followed by a cry. sad But thankfully after that he settled down - and slept through until I woke him this morning to get ready for nursery!
I think that true sleeping through will happen soon....maybe.

OiMissus Tue 06-Nov-12 09:46:07

(Sorry mopsy - I meant to offer sympathies. I don't have any advice for sinus-related toothache, I'm afraid.)

Hope all goes well at the Dr's today SMS, and he manages a nights sleep.

mopsy, if you've got any teething powder lying about the house it's ok for a short spot of relief (and rubbing white powder on your teeth will make you feel like Tony Montana) or anbesol, aside from that drug up on whatever you can.

Cheung bfp= big fat positive (pregnancy test). Hope the nursery checking out goes well.

Northen, didn't bother with the epu, had a bfn 2 days into mc & there was <tmi> so many clumps & clots I can't see how there would be anything left up there. Keeping an eye on my temp etc just to make sure I don't end up with sepsis!
Parents Evening?!? shock Please, please, please act like a pushy mum & ask why he's not speaking fluent Latin yet!

<pompoms> for your drunnk baby BJR, how are thing with you & DP?

We've booked our 1st expensive-ish, non-refundable holiday for next September, which obviously means I'll be in labour around then <fingers crossed>

seven77 Tue 06-Nov-12 10:32:19

AWCH good move booking a non-refundable holiday, inevitably means you'll get pregnant and either be due then or have to do it with a newborn!

Hope drs goes ok SMS, and you get a better night tonight.

Oi I hate fireworks, they're a nuisance. I know I'm being daft and people without kids don't care about waking them up, but it gets dark at 5, why do people have to still be letting them off at 11?! DS had to sleep with his door open and the landing light on.

cheung hope you like the nursery.

mopsy no advice but sending sympathy and chocolate in your direction.

Hope everyone feels better soon.

SMS Hope you get some answers for Octoboy at the doctors this morning.

My nan was blue-lighted to A&E last night with Tachycardia and SOB. She has been on a trolley all night in a corridor as the hospital apparently doesn't have any beds in MAU, Cardiology, Respiratory or Elderly wards and it is supposed to be a 'Super Hospital'. They ran some tests and think she has fluids on her lungs. Which is what I think is causing the Tachycardia. I'm not a doc but working for them you pick up a few things! Just very annoying that my 80yr old grandmother who hasn't been able to breathe properly is sat on a trolley in the corridor in one of the country's super hospitals sad

OiMissus Tue 06-Nov-12 12:14:31

seven I think that all fireworks should be completed before 9pm at night - then even grown up parties work.
dsm that's horrendous. I hope your nan is given better care, and comes out of hospital soon, fixed and ready to move on. The sooner you can get her back home the better, in my experience. Old people and hospitals do not get on.

seven77 Tue 06-Nov-12 12:54:26

DSM I have no idea what either of those are blush but wishing her a speedy recovery and better treatment.

BeeMyBaby Tue 06-Nov-12 13:46:06

DSM is your grandmother in a room yet?

AWCH Are we allowed to start giving cows milk now? I have been giving DD2 tiny bits (less than an ounce) a day and I'm desperate to switch her over to cows milk as she really hates formula and I think makes herself a bit dehydrated waiting for me to come home.

BJR Congrats on the walking! I'm still waiting for DD2 to let go of the furniture but she is far too scared.

Seven Tachycardia is fast heart rate. SOB is shortness of breath. She was moved to MAU (Medical Assessment Unit) at 11:30am so had been in a corridor in the A&E dept for 12hrs! Anyway they are running further tests and she is stable. She's had a GTN spray to reduce the heart rate and is on a water tablet for fluid on lungs - which is what they are testing for later to find out why!

Found out my nan is being kept in till Saturday. I know she's feeling a little better as she's kicked up a fuss about it grin At 80 yrs old she is healthier than I am. Only time she takes tabs is paracetamol for a headache! Anyway she's being moved to Cardiology at some point this evening. That's all I know at moment.

Hope everyone is feeling better this evening.

AnEerieAirOfHorror Tue 06-Nov-12 18:55:22

Marking Place grin

Glad to hear your Gran is feeling better DSM.

Good luck to all those TTC

Get well to all the ill people and families.

Oi i would be soooo angry too if they left the bag where my children play as well.

SMS its ok to not cope now and them. Its ok to have down days because tomoro will be better. I hope Edward's chest is better soon and that you get at least 6 hours sleep in one go smile

Waves to Muffin smile

AnEerieAirOfHorror Tue 06-Nov-12 18:58:44

And its Hope's Birthday on the 26th November smile

MissRee Tue 06-Nov-12 20:09:34

Hope your Nan is feeling better soon DSM

Scary to think we have birthdays this month shock Freya isn't even 10 months yet grin

Pompoms for the walking BJR!

I had my implant removed today sad sorely arm! Don't know whether to go to work tomorrow but I feel a bit guilty about considering not going just because of a sore arm grin

I got my promotion though grin

MissRee Tue 06-Nov-12 20:13:07

Oh and not to mention the fact that I'm not allowed to shower for 3 days! Minging for work!

KateM77 Tue 06-Nov-12 20:17:10

Pleased to hear your Nan is feeling a bit better DSM

Welcome back Air. I hope things have calmed down for you since the bonfire traumas.

I got DS weighed today. He's now 22lb 12oz and still tracking approx 80th percentile. I was relieved to hear that because he's still pretty rubbish at eating, but I guess he must be getting enough on average!

It's DH's birthday tomorrow, so I baked a cake today for DD to help me decorate when she got back after nursery. I think it's going to taste a bit ropey though, because I completely forgot I'd put it in the oven and it was in for 40 mins rather than 20. I've got so scatty since I had the kids blush

KateM77 Tue 06-Nov-12 20:19:55

<pompoms> for the promotion MissRee

MissRee Tue 06-Nov-12 20:21:34

Hope the cake doesn't turn out too bad Kate grin

Speaking if weigh ins, my Mum took Freya to clinic yesterday for the first time in 2 months! She now just over 16lb and still following the 25th perfectly grin

Firstly, congratulations MissRee, that's brilliant! Doing 379 people's jobs obviously worked out for you grin ....hope it comes with a pay rise? And you have my sympathy about having the implant removed...I had mine done with a hangover, so it made me feel sick.
Nowhere near as bad as the inserting of it though: although it didn't hurt, as I bruise easily I looked like someone had put my arm through a mangle!

<waves to Air> how's it going?

You're OK giving cow's milk from 6 months in things Bee, and then from 12 months as a drink, so if your DD is coming up 12 months I'd say you'd be OK...I think you're also meant to knock it down to 300ml from 600 at 12 months, anyone know?

Hope you're feeling a bit better and ready to ttc AWCH; a mc is such a horrible thing to go through, so glad you've booked the holiday. Not that it 'makes up' for it, but it's good to be able to treat yourself.

Hope mopsy and Octoboy get well soon.

DS fell asleep in the car when he and DP picked me up. Didn't harm his appetite though, three mini naan filled with houmous, tzatziki and guacamole, half a humzinger, some banana, a yoghurt and half a plain biscuit!

No shower for 3 days? Eh?

MissRee Tue 06-Nov-12 20:55:49

They had to root around a bit to get the blasted thing out so I think I have more steri-strips than normal. They said no shower for 3 days and then cling film it until Tuesday!

Aethelfleda Tue 06-Nov-12 21:05:48

I have a dead arm as DS has finally conked out after a ninety minute whingeathon (teeth again). You could use his cheeks as nightlights sad

Fingers crossed I can put him in the cot without him waking....nnngggg...

Hope the sinus/tooth pain is improving mopsy...

jigglebum Tue 06-Nov-12 21:21:33

Evening everyone. Just quickly marking place on new thread (wrote plaice automatically first time!). Can't believe the babies are nearly one. Freya has had a couple of months of shocking sleep due to illness and teeth, but (touch wood) the last few nights have been a bit better again. She is beginning to cruise and is a cheeky monkey - into everything and just smiles and laughs if you say no!

Good luck to all ttc no 2. I am very happy with two and no desire to add further to the family!
Sorry to those feeling ill and ill babies and grans too.

Really hope you have a bath MissRee, eeeeek!

I've remembered the random question I wanted to ask everyone- Xmas trees. What do you do when you've got a one-year old who'll just go over there, get pine needles in his feet, eat a glass bauble and then electrocute himself for good measure?
Have you all got places you can put them out of reach; can you fence them off; or is it as I suspect and we just can't have one for a couple of years?

This is really taxing me!

MissRee Tue 06-Nov-12 21:37:50

We will be putting ours on a table! We won't have a real tree and instead will be settling on a real wreath for the front door and I'll stand outside sniffing it

MissRee Tue 06-Nov-12 21:38:13

(Yes we have a bath grin)

Aethelfleda Tue 06-Nov-12 22:18:05

Oops. Just summonsed upstairs by a plaintive voice wailing "mumm, I been sick in my bed"... Cue a poorly DD2, who fortunately only had a small puddle on her pillow. Come mr Calpol, you are needed...
tomorrow's work is gojng to be a juggle methinks...

Christmas trees northern: we had a one-metre rule: anything below one metre in height is plastic and/or chewable. So our few glass baubles were right at the top (or stowed away for another year). Oh and if you get a real tree splash out on a cast-iron base, it makes them nearly impossible to pull over. Use fairy lights with the flex right at the back so they can't getto the extension lead. Get a non drop flat needle version so the needles aren't too pointy. And consider some fake shiny presents at the front to divert attention from the real ones!

AnEerieAirOfHorror Tue 06-Nov-12 22:20:24

Xmas tree and baby my plan:

1) fake tree
2) wooden or cloth decorations
3) led lights so the dont get hot
4) repeated "no dont tought" and remove baby and distract with sonething she can have

5) last resort put baby in play cage for most of December <-- just joking well kind of lol

BJR Tue 06-Nov-12 22:34:07

Things are going ok with DP at the moment. We have talked a lot and have managed to get as far that its more his problem with him rather than a problem with us. I think a lot is to do with him dealing with his guilt of seeing DS everyday and not DSS.

I think Christmas tree is going to have to go somewhere out of reach or not go up at all, or I will spend most of December running in circles after DS. He is stubborn and not easily distracted from what he decides to climb!

seven77 Wed 07-Nov-12 07:47:15

Well done on the promotion missree!

We'll buy a non-drop tree this year, and it'll have to go in the hallway anyway, we don't have room with the playpen in the front room. I often shut the front room door when we're in there so she can't escape as I'm mean. I love Christmas, and it's not Christmas without a tree. Plus I don't think DS would appreciate it!

OiMissus Wed 07-Nov-12 09:06:54

Ah christmas trees - what to do... We always have a big real tree, with all lovely prezzies underneath. But it would be impossible to keep BOi at bay. He's so stubborn, and just like yours jiggle, I say No strongly, he smiles and carries on, I say No a couple of hundred times more, he smiles and then does something else that he knows is naughty. I'm so glad it's not just mine that tests the waters like this. I was worried that there'd be no taming him.
Maybe a tree, with a fireguard/fence around it like they have in shopping centres?
air you could put the tree in the playpen!
BJR that certainly sounds plausible that it's guilt-related due to not seeing DSS. Does he accept this is a factor? If so, he'll be less likely to go back to wanting you to leave. - He now has to start to cherish what he has. Good luck.

We're not bothering with a tree this year (rabbit climbed the old one a few years back & tipped it over), Northen IKEA sell a this bit of cloth with a tree printed on it, you could pin it on the wall & then tac decorations onto it?

If it weren't for the lifetime Ikea ban in this house we'd get one of them.

Congrats MissRee!!
Aethel, hope you had a good night & DD wasn't up all night.
SMS, hope you've had a good night?

Bee, the official guidelines is no to cows milk before 12 months (looking into it, they've done studies which suggest those on cows milk before 1yr are more likely to have anemia or have lower iron levels), although looking through many forums etc it seems some babies go off formula milk before then & people swap over anyhoo.
DS is on 4 bottles (840ml/28oz but he's not taking it atm) & 200-300ml of water a day, he took the whole 210ml of full fat really well yesterday (he's self feeding with the sippy cup now) & he slept through the night...until 0700!? Wake up time is normally 0530!

MissRee Wed 07-Nov-12 10:08:47

AWCH are those guidelines about no milk before 12 months referring to switching from breast/formula to cows milk as their main food/drink source? I always assumed it was fine to use in food (porridge/cereals etc) provided it didn't interfere with breast/formula intake.

I hear what you're saying with the DSS guilt BJR. DP has felt it too since having Freya. I think in our situation it's slightly different being a boy/girl combo. I fear there would be more sibling rivalry (as such) had Freya been a Fred. Is there any chance you could have DSS more often? Do you have him every weekend? I think that makes a huge difference for us as its not that much different to the time we spend with Freya after factoring in working etc.

KateM77 Wed 07-Nov-12 15:15:08

DS is currently at his second settling in session at nursery. I'm trying to keep busy! He had first session last week and it didn't go well - he refused his bottle, refused tea, and cried for most of the two hours. He was playing quite happily today, but once again burst into tears the instant I left the room. I know he'll settle eventually, and will benefit from it. I've been through it all before with DD, but it's not stoppping the mum guilt sad

We'll be having real (non-drop) trees again this year. We have two - one in the lounge that I decorate classily, and one on the landing that DH and DD can decorate more 'colourfully'! We've been lucky with DD so far. She was 8months old and immobile for her first Christmas, and 20months old and understood the meaning of 'don't touch' last year. I think this year with DS will be more of a challenge. As aethel said, I put anything more breakable up out of reach. I also learnt last year that chocolate decorations were a bad idea with DD around grin

SpectralMissSpooky Wed 07-Nov-12 17:03:55

Fake tree here as real ones make me snizz >_< I'll probably end up suspending it from the ceilinggrin

Xiaoxiong Wed 07-Nov-12 17:44:27

We had a real tree last year for the first time and I bought all felt decorations from Cox & Cox in anticipation of this year's one year old toddler shenanigans! I had enough time between the beginning of mat leave and giving birth that I actually planned for stuff like this. Thank goodness because otherwise we wouldn't have any decorations at all this year - too much going on!

After a lovely British citizenship ceremony in the afternoon, I got almost no sleep last night - watching all the blogs, US networks etc and pressing F5 F5 F5 to get the updated voting scores. Massive relief at 4am when it was called for Obama, and so much good news in the Senate and ballot initiatives. Amazingly the state where I vote, NH, now has NO male politicians at the national level - two women senators, two women representatives and a woman governor!! All Democrats except one who is a lunatic Tea Partier - sadly she wasn't up for reelection last night and we won't get a chance to throw her out until 2016.

As an aside I'm so pleased Obama mentioned a warming planet in his acceptance speech as something he would deal with in his next term - for the sake of all our children, THANK GOD a US president is finally willing to speak out about climate change.

Fake tree here. real ones make us sneeze. A tree will be going up and Sky will NOT touch my tree!

So proud of my bean she is going on 4 singing gigs 3 xmassy ones at local Xmas lights on nights and her big gig at Portsmouth Guildhall. grin %23Proudmummy

SpectralMissSpooky Wed 07-Nov-12 18:43:58

I was keeping tabs on the election through the night feeds last night, was happy at four when I saw it was all over bar the capitulation from the Romney camp. I've been buying papers today for a friend who is a politics geek but working out east. Will grab the US imports tomorrow then will be shipping them out at the weekend for her.

Aethelfleda Wed 07-Nov-12 19:43:00

Better day for us: dD has settled down and no more barfing ,phew). dS still teethy but not upset by it today. We'll see how the night goes.

Hope your nan is ok air.

is it just me or is it blooming freezing out there??

Oooooh, thank-you everybody for all the ideas!
The one person at work I asked just said that her little boy never went for anything, wasn't interested in shiney stuff and would respond to 'don't touch!' confused so not a great deal of help there, seeing as (like lots of others) DS's entire existence is based around crawling off, poking, fiddling, grabbing, investigating and generally not stopping.
Oh, and poncing food like a champ grin

I think we'll get a smaller one, non-drop, on a table, and felt decorations (or similar) for the lower levels. Then lots of cheerful Xmas decorations through the house.

Thanks for the link AWCH- I too refuse to go to IKEA though. I'd avoided it for 30 years, went once, swore never again. I'll send DP if we ever need it, but it's one of the circles of hell as far as I'm concerned.... We did get the high chairs from there on the recommendation of people here and all of the rest of Mumsnet, so I suppose they're not all bad.

Very glad to hear about the bath MissRee wink and hope the arm isn't giving you too much gyp? Are you going to celebrate your promotion? I'm giving DS full fat milk in cereal and similar, think it's fine.

Glad things are OK at the moment BJR, and hope they improve. By the way, what happened with the nursery, as you were getting some grief there- did they buck up?

Sorry to hear you're suffering on the baby settling front Kate; at least you know it will get better, but I know it's cold comfort at the mo.

What an amazing day for you Xiao! How did the ceremony go? I guess you'll have just missed out on voting, having become British just now, or did you squeeze an early vote in? I too have been following it v closely- my degrees are politics/IR- and was very, very relieved this morning.

We're just bloody busy at the moment, we're one week off the big change at work and we're all collapsing under the pressure. We need to double the size of the office at least to cope with what's needed, and it looks like we'll get cut further sad But just have to keep on going, can't let myself worry about what might happen.

KateM77 Wed 07-Nov-12 20:09:39

DS is certainly a stubborn little thing. He spent the whole 2 hours crying, and refused to eat, drink or sleep. He's in for his first full day on Monday. I'm not looking forward to that sad

Aethelfleda Wed 07-Nov-12 21:44:16

(((hug))) kate it will get better, honest.

Muffinpig Wed 07-Nov-12 23:06:03

Quick catch-up from me as should be asleep...

Congrats missree on the promotion smile
northern what is a humzinger?!
kate DD has been settling in with the CM and have had a few tears as well. The thing is, DS still cries in the mornings sometimes and he's been going to her for 2 years and LOVES it there. He often doesn't want to come home and drags me around showing me what they've been doing all day. But he stiLl gets upset leaving me. DD is refusing formula and sleep as well. They will get there eventually but I know what you mean about the guilt! Especially now DS says that he wants me to stay home with him all day and not go to work sad but I keep telling myself to think long-term and that me working makes me more fulfilled and we will be able to afford a bigger house in the future, take them on holidays etc etc.

Good news here is that DS has given up his dummy! He's nearly 3 so it was time but he's had it (only for sleeping) since he was born as he was in NICU a while and it reduced his stress/discomfort etc so he was VERY attached to it and always sucked away at it like crazy to get to sleep. I had been saying for a few weeks how dummies were for babies and then at the weekend he said "mummy I don't want to be a baby anymore, I want to be a big boy" and gave me the dummy! It was as easy as that and I still can't quite believe that his sleeping hasn't been affected by it. As its been 3 days now we had a little ceremony today where I tied the dummy to a helium balloon and DS let go of it in the back garden. He was so proud of himself and yelled out "I'm not a baby any more!!". Awwwww, he's still MY baby but I have to be careful never to say that or he will get cross.

Oops I have ended up waffling on so will sign off now and go to sleep!

Aw muffin that is adorable.

That is really sweet muffin! A humzinger is something aethel recommended to me (if I've got the name right), they're sticks of pure mashed up fruit which are easy for babies to handle.

Working from home, so just taking my 5 minute break with a 'nana and off to empty the dishwasher.

Figgygal Thu 08-Nov-12 12:42:22

Sorry for the drop off earlier in the week been very busy back at home and then full of germs so feeling sorry for self, not to mention DS 3rd tooth coming through meaning lots of disturbed nights/mornings although yesterday he slept until 7.20 .....best sleep ever!!!

Every year we have a 3ft artificial tree on a table as the skunk wouldnt cope with a 6fter she would be eating it/generally poking at it but even that will be fraught with boy related difficulties i expect as he is into everything, touches everything....god help us.

Off to catch up over lunch.

jigglebum Thu 08-Nov-12 13:25:37

We'll put the christmas tree in the playpen this year! with no decorations low down.
Freya screams every time I drop her at nursery. It's horrible. She also barely sleeps. It is only one day a week but that is probably part of the problem.
Can't remember what else I wanted to say!

BeeMyBaby Thu 08-Nov-12 13:39:53

Northern I can see where your colleague was coming from as DD1 was very good with the Christmas tree but I think I'll not be so lucky with super naughty DD2.

I was enjoying getting DD2 to push DD1 around in the little wooden walker we have last night, I started thinking maybe I should get them a ride on for Christmas but then decided I'd just be ruining their imaginations - if they can imagine its a ride on it can be a ride on (until it snaps!).

Gah! Bloody Amazon!
I ordered three things as presents last night, got to the 'what you've ordered' page and there were only two. Cue much swearing and having to re-order.
Today I get two copies of the damn item which dropped off the first order.

I just thought you were off having fun in Scotland figgy, sorry to hear you've been ill.

My Mum sent us all the advent calendars, which arrived today. Family tradition smile. However, this year she has outdone herself- DP and I got a huge, foot and a half at least, in the shape of an Xmas tree, Thornton's Continental one each, and DS got a Thornton's one with his name iced on it grin
DP even looked at me and asked if we actually had room for them! I showed them to Mum on Skype and she was rather taken aback at how big they were.

December mornings are going to be nyom

OiMissus Thu 08-Nov-12 19:42:47

I got far too much chocolate for my birthday. sad I really need to lose some weight though...
One of my friends posted a link showing "onetwotree", a wooden sustainable fold out tree, which I like. Wonder if its horridly expensive/ available here...
<wanders off to check>

OiMissus Thu 08-Nov-12 19:46:45

One Two Tree
onetwotree.com.au/...page/.../one-two-tre...FREE POSTAGE WITHIN AUSTRALIA UNTIL CHRISTMAS. One Two Tree is an eco friendly Christmas ...
Australia....

AnAirOfHopeForSnow Thu 08-Nov-12 19:52:59

NN changed and new photos of kids on profile.

Its my mums 70th this weekend so going back home for weekend.
Kids have party on 13th
Hope's 1st birthday on 26th
BIL birthday on 13th December
Xmas to plan and sort out
Find new job
Find childminder
get quotes for 8ft brick wall

Bad news
my uncle had a car crash
DH might get sacked in 5 weeks due to sickness recored
we have no money
cant affored to move house
Im out of coffee until tomoro
I have depresion

im not not in a good place right now but i have a lotto ticket so things might improve lol

AnAirOfHopeForSnow Thu 08-Nov-12 19:56:41

bloodyfucingstupidexpensivechristmas

Figgygal Thu 08-Nov-12 20:02:34

Shit just put DS to bed and discovered we have 1 nappy left, dh off at the spurs match in London and not home until early hours of morning by time he gets back, what do I do?

Sorry to hear of your woes Air sad

Hope your Uncle wasn't too badly injured Air, and that everything sorts itself out soon. x

Figgy, do you have any maxi pads or some of those postnatal ones or smaller sized nappies lying around? Put in a pair of your knickers (hairband around the back if they're too loose) & a towel on the cot sheet, it will need changing more often than a nappy but should last you until DH is back (had to do this when I was babysitting my sister once).

We ordered new bedroom furniture, put all our clothes in (open) bin bags in the kitchen until the furniture arrived today. Guess who has a mouse in the kitchen & now has to wash almost everything, not to mention the deep clean and find a mouse to catch/kill.

Northen, Amazon boo! GIant chocolate advent calenders?! sounds amazing!

Aww muffin! What a big boy he is! How sweet.

jigglebum Thu 08-Nov-12 20:45:55

Had a bit of a shite tiring day today, culminating in freya screaming about going to bed and has terrible nappy rash again with explosive nappies again and a moody dh (and me) but watching crap tv - 16 and pregnant and feeling better about myself and life!!!

Advent calenders - yum!
Have you seen the thread about how much people spend at christmas? - 700 quid on one child - no way! Less than 100 here easily.

air sorry to hear things are not so good at the mo

OiMissus Thu 08-Nov-12 21:25:14

air Xmas doesn't have to be expensive. Hope needs nothing. At all. Neither does DH. All you need to do is get "the thing" for Air. One Christmas, when I was Air's age, or thereabouts, I remember getting the one thing that I really wanted. A Christmas tree of my own (mum bought one that was 2.99 from woolworths). I can't remember what my "big" present was that year. But I remember my Xmas tree to this day. Chin up chuck.
(But don't get quotes for a brick wall - bricks are silly expensive!! It'll only depress you further! - maybe look at concrete slab type things instead if you're looking for something non-flammable.)
You'll get through this. You've survived so far missus, you're made of sterner stuff. smile

OiMissus Thu 08-Nov-12 21:27:22

figgy I saw a video from the nappy lady, I think. Making a nappy out of muslins. Stick a maternity pad in there as advised previously and you'll be good to go!
Or something... Good luck!!!!

SpectralMissSpooky Thu 08-Nov-12 21:30:48

We're sharing a lego advent calendargrin

Boo is unhappy, told him we are not doing a shoebox for school. He's slightly mollified I that I've said we can research a not OCC scheme and do that insteadsmile

Kids all asleep, so will catch up properly tomorrowsmile

Aethelfleda Thu 08-Nov-12 21:54:17

Figgy, if you can't do the muslin origami get two face flannels, fold them lengthways into three and form a "u shape between baby's legs, put a neoprine swim nappy or a close fitting pair of shorts/trousers over the top and sleep him on a towel. It's simulating a prefold cloth nappy and you can wash it all tomorrow. If you don't have facecloths cut up the oldest towel you own (or a microfibre cleaning cloth!) and use that.

Figgygal Thu 08-Nov-12 23:09:24

Thanks for tips ladies he's gone to bed in the last nappy, dh missed train now will likely be 2ish before he gets back I've instructed him that unfortunately the local 24 hour Tesco beckons for him. I tried put next door neighbour they have a 2yr old who I expect is n size 5 nappys but they not in tonight so couldn't even ask them to sit in for 10mins while I go out get some, I have a key to their house for cat sitting duties but creeping round their house stealing nappies in the dead of night may be a bit much grin

I do have swim nappies for morning in a full emergency until we can get to shop if he doesnt get to 24hr shop hopefully it won't come to that.

Am very tired so why can't j sleep?

<Waves>

Air hope your uncle is okay? As others have said Xmas doesn't need to be expensive, just one present doesn't have to be big that is fine smile Chin up as your doing so well and you are stronger than you think.

Figgy Hope DH managed to get to Tesco this morning.

It's been a long week. My nan is being discharged from QAH today. She has hardening of the arteries - not quite sure how they deal with that. Apparently medication and slight diet/lifestyle change.

Proud of my Darcie. She has 4 singing gigs coming up 3 at Xmas lights turning on and 1 at Portsmouth Guildhall grin Her hypermobility is giving her jip at the moment so she's on painkillers and rest.

Sky is doing well. Def think she is teething tho. So calpol is going to be my friend over next few days!

AnAirOfHopeForSnow Fri 09-Nov-12 07:53:08

I feel bad for posting i dont want to be negative or depress the thread. I will be fine things always work out one way or another.

Regarding dh i know what i was getting into its just happening faster than i thought and want. I love him and hate his condation but i cant cure it so we live with it. As long as he trys and sticks to my rules im fine lol

My uncle is fine just very shaken by it.

Thanks Oi i might leave the wall untill after xmas grin

Anyway its a great time of year birthdays and xmas is fab with children.

Its a shame we cant put buntings on our posts grin

Don't feel bad for posting if you're feeling negative or depressed Air. We're not just fair-weather-friends you know - we're here to support you through the tough times too!

<Doesn't care that its only November and sneaks a festive wreath on the front door>

seven77 Fri 09-Nov-12 09:53:31

air don't be daft, it's good to hear from you. Glad your uncle is ok.

DS is being really naughty and horrible, he keeps kicking DD and nothing seems to help, it's making me feel like a bit of a crap mum tbh sad

How many bottles are your LOs having now? DD is still having 4 a day, HV said she should only be having 2 when she's a year old. It isn't affecting her appetite, she eats well and weighs just over 20lb so she isn't overweight. Am I giving her too much (I know it is over the guidelines but does it matter?) or is HV talking nonsense?

seven77 Fri 09-Nov-12 09:55:23

Love the name change ChristmastRee. I wondered the other day if it was too early for a festive name change, but I'm feeling festive so might do it later if I get time!

We're still on 4 a day Seven and I'm reluctant to cut them down just yet as she's following the 25th centile perfectly - I don't want her to slip down the centiles any more just because some guidelines say she shouldn't be having that much milk. I'm also concerned that now she's moving about more (crawling etc) that she'll be burning off more calories anyway - people have already commented that now she's crawling she'll lose the baby chub. WHAT BABY CHUB??!?! She's TINY - only just into 6-9 month clothes!

OiMissus Fri 09-Nov-12 10:50:00

Love the name MissChristmastRee! (I think I became OiMisstletoe last year. grin)
We're on three bottles a day, 7ml at 10, 2 and 7. However, if we're out and about and have had a good or late lunch, the 2o'clock has often been missed a few times and never noticed - so I'm confident that we'll progress to just 2 sooner rather than later. I wouldn't push reducing bottle numbers, with us, it happened naturally.
Do any of you get the Achica sale emails? After saying a gazillion tims that we aren't getting BOi anything for christmas, I've just caved in and bought him this "Speedster". It is lush. gringrin

That's awesome Oi grin

Muffinpig Fri 09-Nov-12 14:35:39

Good to hear from you air

We were on 4 BFs a day until I swapped the mid-morning one for formula, which she is refusing. So she is currently going from breakfast to lunch without anything else, so we're really on 3 a day now. Not really want to replace it with a snack yet as I'd like her to give in and take formula!

Figgygal Fri 09-Nov-12 15:54:13

Figgyboy is on 8oz split between his breakfast bottle and cereal, 6 oz around 3pm and then 7oz at bed last week when was at home couple of times I forgot to give him his afternoon bottle and he never looked for it so when he does hit 1 I don't expect a problem dropping it.

At 10 and a half months we've finally retired the steriliser it had become habit so just kept it up but decided to stop and give it a week if no adverse reactions that'd be it.

Sky some days has only 1 bottle other days has 2-3 depending on how she feels.

My Little Lady Sky is badly constipated even after giving her lactulose. Felt really bad as she was screaming in pain trying to go. I honestly thought she was going to hurt herself sad I have Glycerine suppositories for her now, which will not be fun to insert! ESP on my own as DH is off out!

So DP picked me up from the coach today all full of rage. Apparently my Mum, Dad and Aunt have all commented that Freya's outfit today is "awful" and I shouldn't be dressing her like that.

She is wearing: grey joggers, a lime green t-shirt with a dog on it and her little booty leather shoes the only bloody shoes I can find in a size 1

angry

Aethelfleda Fri 09-Nov-12 19:53:23

Wow*mistree*, what were they expecting, full evening dress?!?! DS LIVES in joggers/dungarees/funky wool trousers. Or maybe they are sucked into the whole daft girls-wear-pink malarkey?

air post away, you're fine. We all have our issues and posting here helps!!

Sorry dsm I think I mis-namechecked your nan. Glad she's home. Hardened arteries is a bit of a tricksy one as unless they can be unblocked there's not much that can be done apart from medicine tweaking really. Chat to the GP if its not clear.

V busy day at work. Yawn....

<sits down with vodka before having a wine>
It's been that sort of day.

I've tried writing about five times what its included, but can't without outing myself. Suffice to say I've been doing what my Chief Exec should be, given the massive financial, reputational and legal risks involved.
Urgh.

Nursery called today to ask if they could give Calpol to DS as he wasn't himself, which I cheerfully authorised. He is drooling like nothing on earth, to the extent where he wet through all the bibs they put on him and then they actually had to change him as he was so wet confused. As we have 8 teeth already, I'm expecting the molars any moment... Joining you with all of that DSM!

Hope you enjoy your Mum's 70th air, and have a nice time with the family. How're you coping with the depression- is it tablets or anything else?

The lego advent calendar sounds awesome SMS, do you get pieces to build a tree or something behind the doors? I'd love to do something like that for DS, build my own calendar for him.

I have to say your family have an interesting way of going about family relations in advance of the first Xmas with their granddaughter/niece/etc MissRee; are they trying to piss you off?! If anyone described DS as looking awful or commented negatively in any way complete pfb I know I'd be sending them used nappies in the post!
Will a tactful word work or will you need to properly speak to them? And as for baby chubb-hahahahahahhhhahaha!

That's just it Aethel, I don't want her to look like the fairy princess every day!!! She was wearing a dress yesterday... today I decided to put her in something warm and practical for crawling around the blinking floor all day!

I'm not sure how to address it to be honest Northern. They haven't said anything to me directly so I'll wait and see at the weekend, then put my point across.

We've already had the conversation that when I start giving her cows milk that I absolutely MUST buy organic milk because of all the antibiotics in the non-organic stuff. To which I saucily replied that at least she won't get ill often... wink

seven77 Fri 09-Nov-12 21:23:18

Right, a proper update from me.

DSM glad your nan is now home. Hope Sky goes soon, and it doesn't keep her awake.

christmastRee how rude of them, what does it matter to them what she wears?! Presumably they'll be buying her organic milk if they're that bothered about it.

I made a practice run of DDs birthday cake today as I've never had to try lactose-free baking. It turned out delicious, and was great to be able to give her her first slice of cake, it didnt last long!

DS had an appointment for his MD on Wednesday, we were given a form so we can apply to a charity who grant wishes to children with serious medical conditions. DS wants to see inside Big Ben and go on the London Eye, our second choice is Disneyland. muffin I noticed on their website one of the wishes they've granted was to a boy with cerebral palsy, feel free to PM me if you want their details.

The other news is that we've finally exchanged contracts on the flat sale, and it's due to complete on Wednesday! We're waiting until after my scan on Thursday to celebrate.

Yay for flat exchange/imminent completion and upcoming scan Seven grin

I'll keep everything crossed that your DS gets his wishes granted too - take him on the cable car too if you get the chance! DSS absolutely loved it!

SevenElvesAndAReindeer Fri 09-Nov-12 21:34:26

Testing festiveness.

Thanks ChristmastRee!

Wow, don't know whether to be more amazed/delighted about the news of exchanging contracts or that your scan is on Thursday seven

Aethelfleda Fri 09-Nov-12 22:25:40

<brings out extra-sparkly pompoms for completion and scan readiness>

really should be tidying like crazy, we have another viewing tomorrow and I should be motivated... But just want to sleep!!

northern many sympathies and enjoy that wine, it's so frustrating when you have to do someone's job for them...

air are there any NCT nearly new sales near you? It's a great place to stock up on toys for Christmas:some of the stuff there is new/still boxed, you have to be a bit careful but for the price of one plastic toy in Toys R Us (or equivalent) you can come home with a bagful of things. Stuff like shape sorters and pull-alongs and electronica are especially common....

OiMissus Sat 10-Nov-12 06:59:30

Is it really time for your scan already seven?!!!!
And congrats on the sale completion. What happened with your parent's purchase?
missree with the advertising and shop displays these days, I imagine it's quite hard to have a daughter who does not want to be a pink fairy princess, so fight it as long as you can! Joggers and practical clothes for mobility and first steps are essential now. Stand your ground.
Loved the comment about antibiotics! He he he!
dsm what's causing Sky's constipation? Poor little thing. sad if she's dropped some bottles, are you confident she's getting enough fluid into her? BOi's not big on drinking. He's quite good a drinking through a straw and squirting the water out again across the table -as I found out when we went out for lunch on Wednesday. blush
The boys have been up for 40 mins. I suppose I should go and join them. Have a lovely weekend y'all!

Seven Brilliant news about the completion of the house and your upcoming scan.

Sky drinks alot of water in a day. Am going to make sure she drinks enough. She slept all night and I woke up to a lovely pooey nappy so her lactulose must if worked grin

My nan is back in hospital something about her breathing so although on Cardio ward waiting for a respiratory consultant to look at her. So whilst I wait for Darcie later on I'm going to nip up there.

SevenElvesAndAReindeer Sat 10-Nov-12 09:32:17

Thanks all.

oi they saw a brilliant mortgage advisor on the advice of my sister. He said they shouldn't have been turned down due to mums age as there's obviously now no requirement to retire at 65, so they managed to get one. They moved a couple of weeks ago.

dsm sorry your nan is back in hospital, hope the get to the bottom of it.

Good luck with the viewing aethel!

Cheers aethel...
Would you believe the evening actually got worse confused?!

After Skyping my Mum (which I did twice as her boiler was leaking massively and she had to have an emergency British Gas call out) I'd had two messages from DP's parents.

DP's family is.... well, DP is the youngest of four, sis, bro, sis, DP. It's all a bit screwy- DP is on speaking terms with the younger sis, who he really gets on with, and his brother. None of the other siblings are on speaking terms with any of the rest, and no-one in the family is currently on speaking terms with the eldest sister as she recently went apeshit and horribly insulted each and every other family member, including wishing some dead.
None have had good relationships to say the least: eldest sis doesn't like her husband, and has two awful kids; bro has had the world's worst divorce, doesn't see his kids any more and has moved back home.
Other sis has been with her partner for 23 years, since they were in their late teens. DP admires them as the happy ones, and holds them up as a good example of why marriage is unnecessary.

I spent an hour on the phone to DP's parents about the sister's break up shock Kicked out her partner, it's all over and they're off to the solicitors. DP doesn't know, and I will probably have to break it to him. He'll be devastated.

And he's going to be hanging today, he was out at a beer festival last night...

By the way, good on you ref F MissRee; I always promised my child, whichever gender, would live in dungarees. That's brilliant about the milk though, what are they like?

Oh yes, and fingers crossed on the viewing aethel!

BJR Sat 10-Nov-12 11:06:35

Gosh Northern that does sound like a tricky family, I hope today goes ok when you have to talk to DP. Nursery are getting a little bit better, thanks for asking. Nappy rash/sleep is still an issue but they are actively trying to sort it rather than ignoring it. Am looking at a couple of child minders though to see how I feel about it.

MissRee we have DSS every weekend at the moment. In reality DP only sees DS 5 minutes a day if he manages to get home before hes gone to bed, so the time he spends with the two boys isn't much different, but I know how important does 5 minutes are to him. I think it will get better though, it helps that the boys have a lovely relationship. Congrats on the promotion btw smile

Sorry to hear your nan is back in hospital DSM hope shes on the mend soon.

Glad the lactose free cake turned out well Seven i'm going to have to try something similar for DS's birthday, did you use a particular recipe or just adapt one you had?

On the milk front we are still on 4 bottles so about 26oz a day, I've tried dropping one in the day but he then wakes at night for it. Although with DS's milk the recommendation for up to a year is 24oz anyway, have hospital appointment for him at the beginning of December so will wait to see what the consultant advises.

LittleMissFlustered Sat 10-Nov-12 12:00:48

Vitalite is milk free and makes bloody good cake!

LittleMissFlustered Sat 10-Nov-12 12:01:18

Oh, and there are a couple of pics up on my profile. Have to run, Octoboy is starving apparently:/

mopsytop Sat 10-Nov-12 14:46:44

yay seven!
sorry about your nan DSM
!!!!! re clothes MissRee, how rude. Bet she was dead cute in her little joggers. And laughing re: milk.
Oh dear Northern, hope your partner is okay when you tell him sad
I am still having horrible headaches from sinusitis, no sign of it clearing :*(

Figgygal Sat 10-Nov-12 16:05:36

Gah DS is having one of those days he's either slamming cupboard doors, slapping the fishtank, trying to get into the kitchen bin, sticking his hands in the skunk litter tray and generally being a pest!! Am thinking we might have to forego a Xmas tree after all of this keeps up.

Sorry to hear you're still suffering Mopsy sad

I've had a wrestle with Freya at both her nap times today - she's far more interested in climbing up the sides of the cot! I feel your pain Figgy!

One of the shops in our little town did one of those Xmas trees hanging from the ceiling efforts, was v swanky and prevents any DC/skunk issues?!

I can't access your profile LMF, it just hovers over it and says your name and 'iZombie'... and I really want to see new pics of Octoboy!

DP is acting in accordance with his family tradition, and ignoring the whole thing in the hope it will go away. They either totally over-react or do the ostrich thing, and never, ever talk to each other properly about stuff. I'll broach how he might be feeling about the whole thing later...

Sounds pretty grim mopsy, sinus pain is one of those you can't get away from, like toothache, iyswim?

DS and I have had a lovely day. DP was hungover, so he just stayed at home and did housework grin. I took DS off, and we went out for lunch together, and bought Xmas presents and decorations, and I bumped into a load of ex-colleagues/friends out campaigning so we all went for coffee and cake and for DS to be thoroughly coo'd over smile Chippy for dinner, and a glass of wine.
Bliss.

Aethelfleda Sat 10-Nov-12 23:13:40

aaargh, DS has moved from snot to puke central. admittedly because of the snot... have a load of washing to do already of yucked up on clothes (ours and his) and he's now dozing on me bolt upright to try to get the aid of gravity. think it may be a long night...

DH & I are off to London today to watch Rock of Ages grin

Aethelfleda Sun 11-Nov-12 09:13:14

<hauls im a fresh coffee vat>

DS now periodically erupting both ends, and I feel sick grin/
He's clingy but reasonably cheerful with it. However if I don't settle down will be my first sick day since returning to work. Can tell I'm not right when tea makes me nauseous <boak>

Aethelfleda Sun 11-Nov-12 09:16:30

That was NOT meant to be a happy smiley, I feel rough as a badgers arse.... envy is perhaps closer, as there's no current smiley for <boak>

Oh dear aethel, are you thinking one of the noro/rota/other grimness viruses? Really hope you don't start errupting, but if tea is making you feel ill...

I'm feeling unusually grand, I actually got a proper lie in, til gone 9, don't know how to cope confused!

SevenElvesAndAReindeer Sun 11-Nov-12 10:44:18

Oh dear aethel, hope you and DS are both better soon.

northern I'm very jealous of your lie in!

Enjoy London DSM.

BJR what's DS hospital appointment for? I just followed a normal recipe but used lactofree butter, tesco sell it, it's proper butter just without the lactose. This was before I knew vitalite is completely dairy free which works out a lot cheaper!

OiMissus Sun 11-Nov-12 10:58:05

I have a hangover. Rough as a badger's rear section. But I do not deserve sympathy, unlike aethel and mopsy. I brought it upon myself by being a drunken bum. We had a night out, and the GPs babysat.
To make us pay for our insobriety, BOi decided to whinge most of the night, and gave up on sleep entirely very early.
Bleurgh.envy ( not angry, just green, and with slitty eyes because the sun is hurting my head).

SevenElvesAndAReindeer Sun 11-Nov-12 14:45:40

We're biohaz here too. Eva has dihorrea, I have a splitting headache and DH has lost his voice.

Sat in Shaftesbury theatre waiting for Rock of Ages to start grin

Hope you all feel better soon x

Figgygal Sun 11-Nov-12 15:14:05

We have independent standing!!

SevenElvesAndAReindeer Sun 11-Nov-12 18:27:33

<pompoms> for figgyboy!

I just found Eva in the playpen literally covered in poo. I had to cut her bodysuit off and hose her with the shower sad.

Well Done FiggyBoy

Def recommend seeing Rock of Ages was brilliant grin on the train to Wimbledon to get in the car & maybe grab a Starbucks wink

Figgygal Sun 11-Nov-12 19:02:23

DS been awake since midday been unbearable since 5 going to bed imminently!!

seven how on earth do they manage to get poo everywhere!!

Aethelfleda Sun 11-Nov-12 19:28:27

We're on the dioralyte. I say we, I had some, DS wasn't so keen, preferring intermittent water from his sippy cup. However after a day of clingyness, he suddenly perked up big time when DH cooked the DDs their pasta pesto and made "aaaah" motions a la Mr Happy Eater. so he shovelled some in gamely, and only some of it came back... Gonna have to wait this one out, especially as DD2 is now looking a bit peaky and DH feels queasy. Plague house!

Glad you liked Rock of Ages DSM!

Hope the other poorly babies recover. oi, you are allowed sympathy, as it isn't often we all get out to have fun so your hangover is disproportionate to the sin!

Hope poorly peeps and babies/children are feeling better soon! It seems we need to don the BioHaz suits again!

Freya joined us for dinner and sat on the floor with her cousins with ham, roast potatoes, peas and sweetcorn. She did tip it off the plate (good job I put a tablecloth down for them!) but continued to munch her way through it with the bug girls grin

Then they all had a bath together and my bathroom looks like there's been a tsunami

<gently applies cream to metaphorical badger's rear end to help Oi feel better>
There is nothing worse than baby + hangover, hope you feel a bit better now.

aethel that sounds awful, the speed that it's working its way through your family, but also the speed of semi-recovery of DS makes it sound exactly like what we had. Do all parents have to go through this every winter? This wasn't in the sodding NHS purple book of lies!

Hope you all improve as well seven. That is some poosplosion from Eva, bet it got on the playpen mat as well.... DS had a minor one; I'd been out in the garden, DP went upstairs and as soon as DS came near me I could smell it- but DP can't! I know he's not avoiding doing it, as he does at least 50% of all the childcare stuff, but his nose just doesn't seem to work.

Yay for figgyboy! Hope this doesn't mean skunky has reason to be fearful...

We had bathtime too MissRee, and ditto on the tsunami- DS howls now when he's removed from the bath, it's his favourite playtime bar non.

Well, I have my Sunday night cocktail, the roast is in the oven and I'm going to try to make chocolate fondant cakes for our pud. The borders in the garden are cleared, the winter pots of cyclamen and violas are made up, and the bulbs for spring are in.
Shame about the stress of work tomorrow, but am pretending that tomorrow doesn't exist....

OMG, the choc fondant puds were amazing grin
Hope we all have a decent week!

Aethelfleda Mon 12-Nov-12 08:10:41

<Wheels out the coffee urn, the teapot, and a fetching assortment of mixed-size bio-haz suits embroidered with "Dec 11: approach at your peril!" >

CheungFun Mon 12-Nov-12 09:27:58

Good morning everyone smile

Sorry I've missed lots on the thread! I've just typed out the worlds longest ever rant and deleted it as it probably shouldn't be "out there on the Internet"! Long story cut short is that DH's ex step mum isn't well again and her children asked DH's sister (their older half sister) for help and she thought they were "attention seeking" and "crying wolf". I only found out by accident and have got social services involved again. I'm so angry with my eldest SIL for thinking they were attention seeking and I'm so angry for DH not telling me what he knew as they've delayed the ex step mum getting help by a week!

Anyway, on a child related subject, can I have some ideas off you all on what to play with DS? I do sing nursery rhymes to him, chat to him, read him books, and take him to playgroups, but I'm not sure what I can really play with him in order to teach him if that makes any sense?

My friends DS seems to be very good at learning tricks like putting his hands on his head, stacking building blocks and passing toys backwards and forwards etc. DS on the other hand just crawls away as fast and as far as possible and enjoys cruising mainly! I think it is a first time parent worry that I don't do enough with him, I guess they all get the hang of the same things in the end don't they!

DS is having about 300mls of milk a day at the moment, about half a bottle at breakfast, mid afternoon and bedtime. I'm a bit worried it's not enough, but I can't force him to drink it....hopefully it's enough!

Aethelfleda Mon 12-Nov-12 10:43:36

Hiya cheung, good that you're looking out for DH's family , bit hmm on the part of DH's sis but well done for you being on the ball. Good luck!

With regard to "purposeful play", I am in no way a teacher, but have had the DDs go all the way through the nursery-infant system, the best thing people who know seem to advocate is "child-led-learning". By which they mean let the baby/child tell you what they like doing, our role as grownups is to make fun stuff available and then encourage them. So if your DS wants to crawl/cruise then just let him do that! A few simple toys can help encourage him, but if he's not into them it doesn't matter at all.
Things that are good to have knocking about are stacking cups, a few building blocks of some sort, toddlers love "real-things" so maybe a set of teaspoons in a tupperware (they will eat them, bang them together, put them in and out, and late you can count them to encourage number awareness). My friend has a '"sensory bag" she takes out with bits of fabric, cups, balls, feathers, stones etc inside for her DS to play with. As I speak DS is indulging in "paper play" (grabbing my magazine off the side and trashing it...) Natural curiosity means they will find somthing fun to do but there's really no need for them to know their letters by two or the capitals of the world by four....

CheungFun Mon 12-Nov-12 12:08:29

Hi Aethel, I know I can't believe eldest SIL was so sceptical. It was only in July that the kids mum was in hospital under a section 2! I've told my younger SIL to tell me in future. Last time I told her to tell anyone thinking that whoever she told would deal with it as I'm not very close to her so I thought she might not come to me first and as long as someone knew it would be ok!

We've got some building blocks for DS and he does enjoy destroying my creations! I should get them out this afternoon actually thinking about it! His favourite things are physical, like crawling and cruising. He also loves his plastic toy cars and rolling them on the floor with one hand whilst crawling at the same time! I finally got him some stacking cups for his Xmas stocking :-)

It's so difficult not to compare him and my friends DS as they're 2 days apart but so so different! Even at this young age babies really aren't all the same!

He does love flirting on the bus and in cafes! He has a sort of call that he does to make people look at him and then when they look over they're rewarded with a big toothy grin! I think it's just strange where he's so independent and doesn't seem to need much input, but I guess he does let me know when he wants attention!

I had a look around the nursery and I instantly felt happy with it. I'm going purely on my feelings, although their last Ofsted report was outstanding and the manager has been there for 19 years so I guess it's also a sensible choice. I think nursery is going to exhaust DS at the beginning, but the older he gets the more he will get out of it I think.

What I'm going to do is have DS in nursery one day a week and cm two days a week and then build him up to being in nursery three days a week over the coming year. We will still have two days a week at hme together and I'm going to make sure we make the most of them and then we will have weekends together as a family with DH.

I don't know about everyone else but I'm finding DS much easier to care for and much more fun now! I loved watching him sleep as a newborn, but I really love seeing his personality coming out and watching him learn and explore! The older he gets the more I'm enjoying him smile

OiMissus Mon 12-Nov-12 15:52:56

They are so much more fun now, I agree, and much easier. (I'm not sure why it's easier, I can't leave him now he's so mobile as he's climbing on everything and wrecking anything in sight.)
He is quite good at entertaining himself though. THings he likes: crawling with things in his hands - check! Turning the light on and off. Pressing your nose to get a Beep, Letting go of a helium balloon, so we have to get it off the ceiling (similar to the I-drop-you-pick-up game, but via the ceiling), drums (pans and woode spoons), peek-a-boo flap books, and noisy books, finger puppet books,... he loves his teddy, his soft Iggle Piggle and a tiger handpuppet.
I've had this morning off, and last wednesday afternoon, and always have Friday afternoons off, and we've been singing "If you're happy and you know it" and he's clapping along kind off, and enjoying it. And I've started to try to expand on the copy my arm movements, and dancing. He throws both arms in the air when we say Sooo Big. Now I'm trying to do more.
He's also getting more confident at walking. He'll just happily try it for himself, in between the sofas and tables, and he's getting steadier by the day. So this is also a game.
We have stacking blocks, and whilst he's very happy to knock our creations down, he's not interested in building. He does like to put things into things though.
And everything is a phone. He'll put anything to his ear and chatter to it (shoes, remote control, phones, glasses cases...)
I hope your DH's Ex SM gets the help she needs and that the kids are OK. Good luck.
Northern chocolate fondant?? Mmmm! Your culinary prowess and verve put me to shame.
BTW I'm working from home. Stop interrupting me.
shock

SevenElvesAndAReindeer Mon 12-Nov-12 16:08:52

Your post was very sweet at the end there cheung. With our home-educating I'm at the opposite end to aethel in that DS has never been to nursery, but I completely agree that child-led is the answer. They learn constantly all the time, especially at this age so there's really no need to 'teach' them anything. Our DCs are programmed to mimic us, he'll learn to build a tower by watching you, learn where his head is by you singing head, shoulders, knees and toes etc. as time goes on you'll find that he'll learn to do things in his own time, DS was doing simple wooden puzzles by now and stacking blocks up, DD will only knock them down, and take the pieces out of a puzzle then crawl away, I'm not worried as I know they don't develop in all areas at the same time, at the moment her physical development is way ahead, but at some point her fine motor skills and her intellectual skills will catch up. Sorry that wasn't meant to be that long!

aethel how is everyone today?

DD is better today, but she has rashy cheeks and her bum is red raw. Her first tooth is nearly through, my mum thinks its all connected. Is that possible or is she talking nonsense?

LittleMissFlustered Mon 12-Nov-12 17:19:57

<fires the coffee cannon>

Aethelfleda Mon 12-Nov-12 19:13:07

<catches coffee in mid-air>

we're doing OK thanks. I'm back to eating, DS is still not great, but he had one 6oz bottle at midday and kept it down, all other drinks have been little and often. He's a bit sicky still but it's small pukes rather than enormous hoses. Just wish I could make him all better straight away sad
DD2 seems to have recovered too so guess she didn't get it properly. Phew. DH is alright now as well. So we got off lightly!

More viewings tomorrow and Weds, would have been one today exvept I refused as the house is covered in washing from all the pukes. Nice touch.

Oh and the teethy bum thing: medical science has no clue but yes it def happens!! Red cheeks could be explained by increased blood to the facial area when the teeth are moving about. The only thing I can think is that maybe teething drool is more acidic so carries through? (you'd have thought not tho as the enzymes in your gut are meant to neutralise acids).
You get a similar sore bot if your little one demolishes lots of citrus fruit.

Figgygal Mon 12-Nov-12 19:37:31

Just back from work we were hosting an event at bath rugby club.....no burly players around unfortunately tho even worse is that the cm thinks figgyboy may be getting the pox!!! He has one big spot on his cheek I think/hope she's wrong but in the 10mins I had with him before bed I swear he got 2 spots on his forehead.....no!!!!

Guess we will know in the morning!!

OiMissus Mon 12-Nov-12 19:46:26

Yikes! Good luck figgy!
Good luck with the viewings aethel (it's amazing how many viewings you're getting. There'll be an offer soon, fingers crossed.) Glad to hear you're all on the mend.

LittleMissFlustered Mon 12-Nov-12 20:00:14

You'll know in a couple of hours, pox don't hang aroundsad

Cheung How lovely of you to look out for your SIL kiddies. hmm about your DH response tho.

Aethel Hope the viewing go well.

Figgy poor Figgyboy think some calamine lotion is needed just incase!

WRT playing. Sky loves her walk along walker she really motors pushing it along. Will upload a video to FB shortly. She can put things into wooden puzzles spaces and can put shapes into a shape sorter. Nursery were really pleased at how far along she is, but said she is like her sister lol.

I've had a banging headache since this morning, my sinuses feel heavy and hurt when I breathe in and got really sore & swollen throat - sodding cold!

Sky is still a bit grumpy - think that's the teething tho. However, bowel movements are a lot better.

Darcie's hypermobility is still giving her jip. So waiting on appt for that.

Time for bed me thinks!

SevenElvesAndAReindeer Mon 12-Nov-12 20:06:53

I hope it's not pox figgy! How has he been the last few days? I'm not the expert but aren't they normally ill before they get the spots?

Glad you're all on the mend aethel.

Can I have some non-pregnant views on the John Lewis Xmas ad please? It's been making everyone (including me blush) cry on my ante-natal thread.

KateM77 Mon 12-Nov-12 20:09:47

I was intending to do a proper catch up over the weekend, but couldn't get near the laptop with DH around. So apologies for lack of individual namechecks!

DD had a check up with her surgeon on Fri. All good with her bowels now - she has control of them, which wasn't a given, so he's happy with that. We just have to be vigilant and make sure she never gets constipated. There's one last thing to sort out though and she's now on the waiting list to have her umbilical hernia fixed. It'll be sometime in the new year and will just be as a day patient this time, rather than the week-long stays we've had with all her other operations. I'm obviously not looking forward to it, but at least this one is relatively minor and should finally be the end of things.

DS had his first full day at nursery today, and whilst it was lovely to spend the day just with DD, I spent it worrying about DS after his constant crying during the settling in sessions. Thankfully it didn't go too badly. He didn't eat all day, but did drink his milk, slept a little, stopped crying and played a bit. It could have been a lot worse! I gave him breakfast before he went and tea when he got home, so he won't starve, and fingers crossed he will start to settle over the coming weeks.

I've found a nice present to order for DH from the DC's for Christmas: this print The same website has lots of good present ideas especially for very difficult to buy for people like DH

Hey Cheung, my DS is the same, he just enjoys racing around and ferreting at things- and paper play is a favourite, he made short work of the Saturday magazine...though I had to tell DP off a bit as he wasn't paying attention and DS got a nice, choke-about mouthful on the go before I intervened hmm

I also know he'll get loads of stimulation at nursery- we've just had the parents' evening, Latin's going really well wink but they sent us home with his folder and we get a really good overview of what he's up to. Glad your DS was OK Kate, it's always a worry I know.

And I agree with you and Oi, they're such good fun at the moment! Your DS sounds like he's coming along really well, especially with the copying and joining in.

I believe I got my first kiss from DS at the weekend- nursery have noticed how he'll sometimes go up to people, open his mouth and kind of plant it on them like a sucker fish, and I got one of those last night smile

So glad to hear you're all on the mend aethel, and that some have dodged the bullet entirely...but not so great with MrsDSM and figgyboy! Let's hope it's just an evil zit or something...

Managed to get everything done at work, but am drained this evening.

jigglebum Mon 12-Nov-12 20:48:18

Evening . hope it is the "pox" figgy. There is a lot of it around here at the moment so hoping F doesnt catch it. DS appears to have some natural immunity, as was exposed to it twice through very close friends and never caught it.

Nappy rash and teething definitely go together in my opinion. Poo is more acidic I think and Freya suffers terribly with it. Not made better by nursery appearing to only change her nappy at set times so she gets left in it on Weds at nursery longer than she would with me as I can smell her immediately. It can take a whole week to recover and then it gets bad again. I will have to speak to them again. They find her hard work at nursery already as she is not happy there so they will love me!

Re playing - freya love playing with a ball with DS - they crawl round after it together and pass it to each other and F finds it hysterical. She also likes knocking over towers and playing with things that light up/play music. She also loves touchy feely books. However, he absolute favourite game is opening the tv cabinet, swinging on the doors and taking all the DVDs and CDs out and tossing them on the floor! And turning on the wii steering wheels, watching the flashing lights and bashing them on the floor!

DS (4) was in tears tonight scared about us all dying. He told me he had to sit in silence at 11 o/c today and think about all the dead soldiers. I think maybe they could have been a bit more gentle for reception class. He had a supply teacher today, which probably didnt help. I might mention it tomorrow to the TA.

I find Freya easier in some ways now but she is hard work overall. Her sleep is still appalling - I was up for two hours last night as she cried, coughed her guts up and threw up several times. She has been constantly ill since starting nursery and unfortunately this has been at the same time as autumn bugs. I can't believe she ever slept 7-7.

Hope other ill babies (and mums ) are on the mend soon.

Figgygal Tue 13-Nov-12 07:04:57

I think we pox free he woke at 5.45 for HIs bottle and nappy change had a good look and couldn't see anything.....fingers crossed touch wood!! He went back to sleep literally as my alarms clock went off grr have left him to it.

Lost my voice sad feel lousy but I have a wonderful DH, he has come home from work to look after me and help with Sky smile

Aethelfleda Tue 13-Nov-12 10:00:17

Sounds like you'll be OK figgy, chickenpox goes "whoomph" omce the spots start coming. It's a bit loke the monty python
Tree sketch where one leaf falls off the tree, then another, then another, and them every other leaf simultaneously goes "aaargh" and falls off in a huge collective of angst.

Hmm. That sounded so much less crazy in my head.

<goes to dunk head in bucket of coffee>

cold-cure vibes to dsm. and hope your week gets better northern.

Xiaoxiong Tue 13-Nov-12 10:53:56

Hello all, hope you all had a great weekend and the poorly ones among us are feeling better.

Thought I'd just put down my highs and lows:
- DS now likes couscous
- have remembered to use Olay night serum every night for a week and it's made such a difference!! Usually I just wash my face with DS's Johnson & Johnson baby bath blush
- we got a playpen
- I'm halfway through The Happiness Project and Calmer Easier Happier Parenting - both MN suggestions, both excellent so far
- cooked more stuff from Jamie Oliver Great Britain - everything I've made so far has been a winner (I don't always get on with JO but this one's great)

I visited the house we're moving into in January to measure up, and it's going to take a lot more work than we thought including new carpets/flooring throughout (£££) and new plastering in the living room that we're going to have to try and convince the college to pay for. The people who live there are lovely but they, like us, are "benign neglecters" so we'll be inheriting quite a few problems that I think we'll just have to throw money at.

Things I need to STOP PROCRASTINATING this week - I set them down here for accountability:
- have another clearout of DS's clothes
- finish and post my US tax return (nine months late blush)
- apply for UK passport and electoral roll (yay!)
- sort invites for Thanksgiving
- find provisional licence and book driving test and lessons
- declutter (hire decluttering service?)
- assign secret santa recipients
- read my mother's sitcom script
- book dentist checkup and cleaning (ugh)

I feel I should also add my "to-do" list to make you feel less guilty Xiao so here goes...

- declutter bedroom, sort through clothes and ruthlessly bin lots
- clear and clean kitchen cupboards
- finish sorting Freya's "too small" clothes (only sleepsuits and vests to go) then vac-bag the lot to go into the attic
- also need to book dentist (me and Freya)
- think of some Christmas presents for the awkward buggers parents
- go to the supermarket and buy Sunday dinner for 10 on Sunday

DP has decided that he is going to dig up some horseradish roots on Saturday with my Dad (and Jack) and make his own horseradish this weekend ready for Christmas. I've told him that he's not blending it down in the flat because it STINKS!

Phew on the no poxy pox, Figgy. I always get a bit antsy when people start talking about "its best for them to get it young". My cousin got it young and the infection caused her brain to swell and almost killed her! Sometimes it really isn't for the best...

The only time Freya ever gets nappy rash (and even then only mild redness) is when a tooth is about to erupt (so, er, twice so far) so there must be some truth in the acidity of the drool changing.

re: playing. Freya loves anything noisy/musical. She dances to every single piece of music she hears, no matter whether its a song, toy or even advert jingle grin. We got her some stacker cups last week and they make her rather overexcited! If we build them up into a tower, she likes to knock them down but not before examining the tower from every angle to decipher how it will fall best hmm She's a funny little thing sometimes! She loves books and being read to (the cardboard type books are particularly great for chewing apparently) and it almost sounds like she tries to sing along if you sing nursery rhymes with her.

So far, developmentally, we have:

- Clapping
- Dancing
- Crawling
- Gives kisses (and then blows a raspberry in your face and giggles)
- Pulling up to standing and cruising
- "Singing" (if I hum a very simple string of 2 or 3 notes, she will try and copy)
- Waving

She was exactly 10 months yesterday grin

Oooh thats turned into a bit of an epic post blush

jigglebum Tue 13-Nov-12 13:02:01

missree wierdly our freyas could be twins - my freya loves the same things, especially music and dances when we enter shops with music on! Developmentally they seem in the same place too - clapping and cruising etc. I even think they look a bit similiar when I see your profile photos!

Thats quite funny Jiggle, the Freya twins!

I thought I'd dig this out so we can see whose birthdays are coming up...

FairyBayleaf DC1 EDD 6th Dec BORN 29th Sept Albert Elwyn 2lb 14oz
Tjuice DC2 EDD 21st November BORN 7th Nov Amaya Rose 3kg
Sevensevenseven DC2 EDD 20th Dec 25yo Southwold BORN 21st Nov Eva Rose 5lb 4oz
Girlwiththemouseyhair DC2 EDD 24th Nov Maggie Juliet BORN 25th Nov 8lb 9oz
YBR DC1 EDD 22nd Dec BORN 25th Nov (girl) 6lb 3.5oz
LittleBlueBoat(Cheeptrick) DC2 EDD 5th Dec 29yo S.Yorkshire BORN 26th Nov Hope Brynn Frances 8lb 9oz
Kri5ty DC1 EDD 13th Dec 26yo Manchester Boy BORN 29th Nov Saul Harrison 6lb 13oz
LauraSmurf DC1 EDD 3rd December Girl BORN 30th Nov
BeeMyBaby DC2 EDD 29th November 25yo Scotland BORN 1st Dec Safia Hawwa 7lb6oz
SoTiredOfTheWheelsOnTheBus DC2 EDD 7th December BORN 1st December Boy 8lbs5oz
Iggly DC2 EDD 2nd December South London BORN 2nd Dec (Girl) 8lb 1oz
Girlsyearapart DC4 EDD 6th December BORN 3rd Dec (Boy) 7lb 7oz
HoneyLovesCake DC1 EDD 2nd December Cornwall BORN 6th Dec Rocco Kaleb 8lb 14oz
Mmmmcheese DC2 EDD 25th December 32yo BORN 7th Dec (Girl) 7lb8oz
Itsybitsy08 DC2 EDD 6th December Boy BORN 9th Dec Kieran 8lb4oz
Msbuggywinkle DC3 EDD 13th December 27yo BORN 10th Dec Miranda 8lb6oz
OiMissus DC1 2 December, 39yo, Horwich, Bolton BORN 10th Dec (Boy) Alistair Jude 9lbs
jigglebum BORN 11 Dec Freya 7lbs
Pludophtherednosedreindeer (plupervert): DC2 EDD Dec 10 (Kent) BORN 12 Dec Helena 8lb 6oz (3.8kg)
NorthernChinchilla- EDD 19th December, BORN 12th Dec, Boy, 7lb 7oz
Jomouse DC1 EDD 2nd December 35yo London BORN 14 Dec (Girl) 5lb 8oz
Tyelperion DC1 EDD 3rd December 27yo Windsor BORN 14 Dec (boy) 9lb 8oz
KateM77: DC2 EDD Dec 10 34yo BORN 16 Dec Daniel James 8lb 6oz
BennyBenBear DC1 EDD 5th December Manchester/Bolton BORN 18 Dec Oliver Stephen Bolton 8lb 9oz
Kiteflying DC2 EDD 7 December 44yo Australia BORN 18 December (Girl) Lulu 8lb 14 oz
mopsytop DC1 EDD 25th December BORN 19 Dec 6lbs 11oz
AWomanCalledHorse DC1 EDD 22nd December BORN 21st December 7lbs 6oz (Boy)
Figgygal DC1 EDD 12 December 30yo Bath BORN 22 Dec Daniel James McMillan 9lb 4oz
Kitty5824 DC1 EDD 21st December 33 yo Manchester - BORN 23rd Dec, Boy, 7lb 14oz, Sebastian John
hawthers DC2 EDD 22nd December London 33yo BORN 28 December 7lb 4oz (boy)
Aethelfleda DC3 EDD 27th December London BORN 3rd January, Albert Thomas William 8lb 10 oz
LittleMissFlustered DC3 31st December BORN 6 Jan (boy)
hopeful1 BORN 6 Jan Noa Francie Kate 10lb 3oz
MissRee EDD 31 December BORN 12 Jan Freya Violet 7lb 7oz

Figgygal Tue 13-Nov-12 13:43:24

Gosh we have lost so many of them havent we!! I appreciate it is hard to keep up but it is such a shame as i find this such great support and banter!!

I am never on a pc apart from at lunchtime so i can actually do a bit better of a post!!

Figgyboy is just generally in the seek and destroy phase he coasts on everything and with everything that isnt nailed down, he is now slapping the fish tank, Tv, skunky poor thing. I think he is watching too much tv as if it is off he makes a beeline for the remotes and points them at the tv shouting at us confused He is not a big book fan he always fights bedtime story but i think that is because he sees his bottle of milk waiting for him, he loves his v tech laptop, his shape sorter though he mainly throws it or pulls the top off of it and then puts his socks in it!! He loves his stacking cups but has done for months, his footballs and is going to be a proper boy i think.

We have so far got him an octonaut ballpit (need balls), a leapfrog lettersaurus, peek a shoe octopus and a rocking bear from mamas and papas (i love bears). As his bday is 22nd Dec and we off to Scotland on the 23rd i figure he will have to have them on his bday and then on xmas day he will just have presents from my family to open as makes no sense for us to buy him things to take up and then back with us. Damn these close together events

Xiaoxiong Tue 13-Nov-12 14:27:00

figgy me too. Even when I have dropped off for ages and ages, or have not much to say except to check in and offer sympathy, joining this thread all those months ago was one of the best decisions I made before having DS. Whenever I see that list I hope that people like Honey and mrsbuggy are doing ok.

Would it be a bit stalkerish to PM them and point them in the direction of the thread/invite them back to celebrate birthdays and stuff/ask how they are?

Xiaoxiong Tue 13-Nov-12 16:20:42

No I don't think so - maybe you could frame it as us all doing a one-year catch-up?

Have saved the list and will send something out first thing in the morning grin

Maybe I should change my name to MissStalkerRee grin

Sky has had her 1yr development check today and is meeting all her milestones. HV thinks Sky is intolerant to Milk & dairy so I need to start her on a milk & dairy-free diet. Seven Can you give me starting points please as I have no idea.

Thanks smile

CheungFun Tue 13-Nov-12 17:39:36

I joined really late I think DS was 3 months old or something!

For me it's EDD 18/12/11, born 24/12/11 Lewis 9lbs 1oz smile

I'm really glad I joined, everyone has so much good advice and humour smile

SevenElvesAndAReindeer Tue 13-Nov-12 18:17:18

DSM you caught me off guard and I don't know what to say but I'll try. Firstly does she think its dairy or just lactose, Eva's is just lactose intolerance which (i think!) is much easier to manage. What's she like when she has it? Eva screams clearly in a lot of pain, it was always very obvious, so I'm assuming Sky isn't as intolerant. I'd say most important thing firstly is to work out which it is. You can buy lactofree cheese, cheese spread, yoghurts, spreadable butter and milk, so if advise maybe just cut out the lactose first and see how she responds. What about formula? Eva has SMA LF, we were told first to buy a tin (boots sell it) then if it worked we could get it on prescription. Can't advise much if its a dairy intolerance tbh, only I guess soya based products?! I have read that it can improve as they get older, I haven't tried with Eva since she was 8 months, we decided not to try again until she was over a year, I hated seeing her in pain and knowing I'd caused it sad.

missree I'm always amazed by the age ranges on this thread, Freya is 10 months and Eva will be 1 in 8 days! I think inviting people back is a lovely idea, though that's an extremely old list and I think we'd lost a lot of those people before we'd even had our DCs. I think a lot of those birth dates were from a different thread, might have been babies born in advent?! Perhaps just invite those back who have been on here since we've had the DCs?

Figgygal Tue 13-Nov-12 18:56:06

I've been on since 16th April last year the day after I found out I was pg first person I remember was mopsy .....r u lurking mopsy?

Seven Thanks. She is def in more pain and badly constipated the more milk & dairy she has. Dr has kindly prescribed SMA LF for her and have to change to soya products. She has been on comfier milks before. Just trialling going milk & dairy free to see if it is that. If so my HV who is lovely will refer her to dietician.

I had a look through our old threads Seven and that was the most recent list I could find! I think I'll just send to everyone and if some come back to say hi then great smile

Is anyone else missing from that list other than Cheung?

Just me & Sky.

DSM EDD 22 Dec Born 22 Dec Girl Sky Nicole Lily. smile

Forgot to add 7lbs 5oz Portsmouth smile

BJR Tue 13-Nov-12 20:15:18

I'm missing too, I lurked until DS actually arrived!

BJR EDD 10th Dec Born 23rd Dec Boy Jack Isaac 7lbs 3oz

mopsytop Tue 13-Nov-12 20:18:25

figgy, yes originally I started a thread that we were on just after we found out we were pregnant, then we were both on another similar thread and after a bit the two threads just merged into this one. We have been on mumsnet for 20 months now! I've still got infected sinuses - been away at eeekend for husband's grandmother's 90th and then went to see my supervisor and have been feeling quite rotten throughout but then today it suddenly got majorly bad again, thought I was going to pass out on the train journey back. So will definitely be going to see my GP tomorrow. It's been 12 days now so I think I need an antibiotic to kick this. I really want to hand in before Christmas so j need to be well. Half way through final chapter, one chapter to rewrite, other chapters to cut down (massively) and conclusion to write. Nearly there!

Right need to sleep. Will try respond tomorrow to everyone!

mopsytop Tue 13-Nov-12 20:19:22

P.s. I agree, this thread has been invaluable!

Hell yes! I always felt, especially as I had no local support network (two friends and no family), that this thread/MN in general was a life saver for me. I tend to research things to the nth degree, so being able to dip into all this knowledge and ask questions has been amazing. But making a load of on-line friends to waffle baby stuff at, commiserate about broken nights, vomit, DP/Hs has been just fantastic smile
It was really nice as well the way the two Dec threads joined up post babies.

And wow DSM, did you have our only on-time baby?! (Actually, I see iggly did, but is no longer on-thread) But go stalk MissXmasRee, go stalk! Would be lovely to know how people are getting on- I've definitely seen a few of the old gang on MN in general.

Glad you're both getting to the end of the work mopsy and that you're getting off to the Doc's at last!

Week is ever more stressful aethel, but thanks for the kind thoughts! Evening meeting tonight, a day away from the office (on work) Friday, a formal work do on Saturday and an evening meeting on Monday. I'll forget what my family look like sad. Btw, how's it going with all the house stuff, bar the never-ending house-sprucing pre-visit that you're tied down to? Are you managing OK or getting part way down your tether, iyswim?

Northern Looking at the list seems I am the only one with a baby born when expected too grin

Aethelfleda Tue 13-Nov-12 22:54:14

Yep, I love this thread too (though a bit disturbing that I think I've posted almost every day on here since DS was born- the wonder of too many night feeds and a smartphone!!)

I initially joined as I wanted some camradarie when my pregnancy was too early on to want to tell many people in real life, and stayed on as with DS being my number three, I found it nicer than trying to spend time with a real life antenatal group, which I felt life was too busy for (mostly cos I lost touch with pretty much all of DD2's antenatal pals).

Thanks northern: I oscillate between patient zen (what will be will be, in the hands of the Almighty, if it's meant to happen then it will work out, etc) and impatient (aaargh I am totally sick of this and we haven't even got to the nightmare of solicitors/surveys/chains yet! ). I think tonight I shall choose zen, it's calmer and doesn't spill my cuppa tea.

Muffinpig Tue 13-Nov-12 23:10:34

Cheung I meant to post yesterday to say that your LO sounds exactly like mine! She likes to play with stuff by herself and if I try and play with her she either just crawls off to do her own thing or she climbs over me and gives me sucker kisses and pulls my hair! I feel bad that I don't "do" enough with her but other than singing, especially action songs, she seems to want to play on her own. She also does the dramatic look-at-me noise so that people will pay her attention then she goes all coy and smiley.

I think she is figuring out how to shake her head but she does do it at odd times, and sometimes to music so it looks like she's headbanging! They are funny things aren't they?

dsm when I looked into dairy intolerance in an effort to explain why DD was waking every hour I was told that if it is a true dairy intolerance and not just lactose intolerance like eva has, then they are also likely to be soya intolerant as apparentrly the protein make-up is very similar. So I would cut out all dairy products, including butter and most margarines, and soya too. Some bread can have soya in so be careful of that.

I also think this thread is great, so weird to think so many of us have been posting since we were very early pregnant, and we've gone through so much together! I didn't say much about it at the time but I had a very hard time throughout my pregnancy and was on bed rest for 2 months and it was a constant source of comfort and, of course, advice!

OiMissus Tue 13-Nov-12 23:20:59

Evening all!
missree go stalk! It'd be nice to hear from the others.
norhhern sympathy to you for the tough time at work. I hope it settles down for you soon.
mopsy go get it finished! Go girl! Hope the abs kick the ass of your sinuses (iyswim!).
BOi does not dance yet. But he loves his books -especially those with snappy crocodiles. We bought 5 new books at weekend to feed his curiosity. smile He is a fab kisser, (even makes the kissy mwah noise, just not at the same time!) and no longer does the leech-slurp-suck, and - from this weekend - he's started giving proper cuddles, and cuddles and kisses his teddies. grin he waves and says Hiya, and teddy, and makes a great ussh sound for fish.
This thread has been amazing. Through the pregnancy I had your support, when BOi arrived I had your advice, and now I have humour, coffee and friends, albeit virtually! Thanks ladies!
On my to do list I have:
Insure the house (still!! blush)
Dentist (still blush)
Sort clothes (again)
And much more.
And xiao, I had practically given up on moisturiser at all since BOi arrived. But I treated myself at weekend and I WILL start taking more care and being more ladylike again. Pass the razor! blush

The plan is to put her on LF milk & switch to soya products.

If that doesn't help then a change again and she will go on completely milk & dairy free products. I have the support of my GP, HV, nursery & MN so hopefully the change will help. It's just overwhelming what I have to change and look at so I don't get it wrong and don't hurt her tummy & digestion more.

My to do list:
Get rid of this poxy cold.
My head feels like it's on fire yet my body Is cold sadangry

SevenElvesAndAReindeer Wed 14-Nov-12 07:05:21

Good luck DSM. I remember when we found out what was bothering Eva being completely overwhelmed, I knew nothing! We haven't seen a dietician or anyone, even my usually great HV has been useless other than sorting out her prescription formula. I don't know at this stage whether its worth seeing anyone, we're muddling through ok. The only thing that still really bothers me is when I think about the things she can't have, ice cream and stupidly the most recent one to upset me when everyone was talking about advent calendars. I'll let you in on the secret though that hobnobs are made with vegetable oil not butter grin.

I completely agree how invaluable this thread has been, I don't have many 'real' friends, tbh I'm just not a very sociable person. I haven't felt like I've missed out by not having loads of mum friends as I have you lot who have been through it all with me. I love how I'm not judged on here, and no matter how much I whinge (like about the flat, sorry blush) no one has ever told me to stop moaning.

Anyway, flat should complete today, scan tomorrow, exciting times!

BJR Wed 14-Nov-12 07:18:51

Quick post and run but DSM i've found the allergies board on here really useful they have one thread where people have been posting different food items they had found which were suprisingly allergy suitable which is very good. We are currently dairy and soya free here so its been useful.

I think someone mentioned on there that Asda do a diary, soya, gluten etc free advent calander Seven!

This thread is brilliant for friendship, laughs, ranting and loads of advice.

Seven Thanks. I need to change everything I give her. So great tip on the hob nobs grin

BJR thanks. Also thanks for the advent calendar tip smile

I'm probably being a total dumbarse but how do you send a PM to multiples? Do I just have to put names in and send one at a time????

BeeMyBaby Wed 14-Nov-12 13:31:15

Agreed that the thread has been great, but not so much for my wallet! The amount of products that I never knew about when I had DD1 but just HAD to buy for DD2 when they were mentioned here...(cuddledry towels, funky giraffe bibs, neurofen rather than calpol! etc)

DD2 did her first unaided steps finally, and not much else to add for development (DN2 is two weeks younger and can blow kisses already!), but DD2 did say 'tetoosh' (peekaboo in Berber) last night so that was supercute and made my night alongside the walking.

Seven What formula milk to you give Eva?

Also just spoke to HV again to clarify a few things and Sky needs to be completely dairy-free & needs formula milk that excludes the lactose & milk proteins. so just waiting for GP to call me back so she can change it and add some dairy free bread too.

OiMissus Wed 14-Nov-12 19:51:02

DH is out tonight straight from work. and of course tonight is the night that the fuse goes on the lights downstairs...
I had to wait til BOi fell asleep to hunt around for a torch, then had to go thru the big scary Lucy Tilly room, and thru the shadowy dark garage, to find the scary fuse cupboard with the scary monsters to sort it out.
I'll put BOi to bed now and get me a fried egg on toast. Oh the culinary delights if sole dining! wink

Aethelfleda Wed 14-Nov-12 20:22:56

We bailed from the annoyingly timed 6pm viewing (oh but they HAVE to come after work...) and went to pizza express. They have a "responsible diet" pizza that's got a central hole filled with salad. It was yummy and obviously the calories saved were meant for a dessert....

DS is finally getting less clingy, bless him. It's the first time he's really been ill (I know, very lucky!) and as usual brings home how delicate the balance is between family, work and childcare. Better hope he's a hardy perrenial like the DDs!!

That is so true about the balance aethel. We cruise through fine when everyone's OK (though I'm going to enjoy a 9pm bedtime tonight as I'm so tired, might just POAS to make sure!) but illness, and the broken nights that go with it... Throws everything out, and we have no-one that can help out. Thankfully DP is able (and happy) to be the main 'I've got to stay at home with the sick child' one, but even still...

Hope you continue zen too smile!

MCR (you're being shortened for the festive period!) I have no idea either blush. I know I just slapped everyone's names in individually; have a feeling I just copied the message, and pasted it into the numerous mails that I sent out.
And that reminds me- I couldn't access LMF's photos, and now I've just tried yours and it won't let me either- says you haven't made any public, which I know is nonsense as there are loads of Freya. Has something gone a bit weird with the profiles/pics, has anyone else found this?

Hey muffin, that sounds crap about the pregnancy, hadn't realised. Is it something that could re-occur if you have another?

Got another sucker-fish-kiss from DS tonight, a huge one. The best thing is DP is sooooooo envious as he's not had any yet childish I know grin

Good luck for tomorrow seven, let us know how it goes, digits twisted as LMF would say...

OiMissus Wed 14-Nov-12 20:58:49

I too am the main beneficiary of kisses and squeezes, me and the teddies. Smug, moi?!
Good luck seven! V v exciting!
Am a tad envy, I must admit.
Am feeling quite giddy for you. smile

Xiaoxiong Wed 14-Nov-12 21:00:04

Would post something but I'm so angry and sad about this tragedy in Ireland I can't even think straight. Just donated to Choice Ireland but still feel so desperate to do something.

mopsytop Wed 14-Nov-12 21:04:32

It is such a disgrace Xiao. Government after government refuses to deal with the issue as it is politically dangerous for them. There was a referendum about 30 years ago, clearly times have changed radically and chances are a new referendum would bring about a pro-choice vote, but they are too scared of what it will do to them politically to bring it about. It's a disgrace though.

Xiaoxiong Wed 14-Nov-12 21:05:17

God that was an awful awful x post - I posted before reading. But thinking about how happy I am for seven having a scan is the flip side of my sadness about the poor woman in Ireland I guess. I never felt so strongly about women having autonomy over their own bodies and their own choices until I got pregnant myself.

Do you ever get really sad about the world and want to protect your children from the horribleness at all costs? I wept a little over DS in his crib because I want to make it a better world for him and I feel sometimes that I am making things worse.

mopsytop Wed 14-Nov-12 21:06:31

They only started allowing information about abortion recently. When I was growing up, not only was abortion obviously illegal but it was also illegal to provide information about it. So any poor girl in the situation of needing an abortion had noone to talk to, no information, no counselling, nothing, and like as not found herself on a boat to England alone and could never tell anyone about it. The poor girls, what they must have gone through. Until the 1980s or so, contraception was even illegal in Ireland. TOTALLY different culture. Awful.

mopsytop Wed 14-Nov-12 21:07:49

Good luck tomorrow seven, hope it goes well! Exciting!

mopsytop Wed 14-Nov-12 21:08:32

And yes Xiao, I feel that all the time. Sometimes it makes me want to cry.

Hope all goes well Seven

I think it's to do with name changes Northern, anonymity for "delicate" threads for which people namechange grin they will show up again when I go back to my boring original name!

KateM77 Wed 14-Nov-12 21:35:55

northern I think it's to do with name changes, it makes the profiles go wonky. The photos seem to link to whatever name you had when you posted them.

Loving that the Lucy Tilly room is becoming part of the common parlance grin

OiMissus Wed 14-Nov-12 22:09:17

And thus spaketh minikate and thus it was forevermore, and so shall it always be the Lucy Tilly room.
xiao I have never been a big crier, until pregnancy, and now anything to do with babies, children, mums, animals, John Lewis snowmen... Gets me emotional. But seriously, the anger/disgust/fear of the evil or ignorance in the world is so much stronger.
But then my BOi is pure JOY. And my Alistair, the Defender (meaning) is gonna save the world. grin

Aethelfleda Wed 14-Nov-12 23:04:05

oi, you'd better practice teaching Boi to put his underpants on the outside. Just to perfect the look early, y'understand.

Ps. I'm a simple type with (currently!) a little house, I think it's unlikely I will ever own a Lucy Tilly room, but dD2 likes chatting about our Conned Servery. Not quite the same but it makes me think briefly of Downton Abbey....

Figgygal Thu 15-Nov-12 12:37:29

No Figgyboy update but my mum has been in hospital for 10 days as she had a gastric bypass and has been very unwell since, looks like they have perforated her bowel (took them 4 days to accept that the fact her constant vomitting hasnt been due to her secretly eating but was actually fecal matter!!!!) and she is now being taken in for more surgery. This is why i hate being 500 miles away!!

OMG Figgy serious complaints and investigations should happen. Not only about the surgery but the fact the didn't take the necessary action needed in first place. Hope your mum is ok x

Sky has been put on to Nutramigen AA milk for our dairy free trial. Hoping it helps my poor baby and her constipation and tummy ishoo's.

mopsytop Thu 15-Nov-12 16:47:40

Oh dear figgy, that's awful. You must be really worried. I hope she's okay.

Minimopsy had a temperature and was vomiting yesterday. Temperature until this afternoon but she's cooled down and ate lunch and had 2 bottles without vomiting. BUT she's a sore under her nose, just a little red sore, but was visiting cousins at the weekend and one of them now has impetigo... She didn't play much with him and he hadn't shown any signs of it by then, he had no sores yet. Do you think she could have it or do you think it's a random sore and I'm worrying for nothing? Does anyone know how quickly it spreads? Supposed to be visiting minim's grandmother at the weekend and she's having chemo so don't want to visit with a highly contagious baby.

AnAirOfHopeForSnow Thu 15-Nov-12 17:01:58

Sorry about your mum seven, hope they sort it soon.

Warning rant about dh............

Arrrrr i hate my husband when he drags his feet about something i told him to do and he doesnt want todo it. He is not honest enough to just tell me he asks stupid questions about different issues at imapporate time and then gets moody when i point this out and thinks its me being nasty. When i point it out he is like "I was just asking" me:"Go do what i asked you to do." him: "Aaron have you done your maths homework?" me: "I have done it with him. I told you that already. Go get the shopping now pls or the kids will be asleep before they had dinner".

If he takes an hour can i bury him undr a new patio?

OiMissus Thu 15-Nov-12 18:49:36

Good idea about the pants aethel!! grin

AnAirOfHopeForSnow Thu 15-Nov-12 19:34:50

Hope has just stood up on her own without holding on grin

I just want her to take a step now and start walking. Its her Birthday in two weeks.

Well done Hope grin

OiMissus Thu 15-Nov-12 19:46:24

Well done Hope.
Hope you feel better soon dsm.
And figgy hope your mum is soon on the mend. Parents are such worries. It must be so tough for you not being close by. sad
BOi isn't happy today. Not sure if its his cold, or teething, or earache. He's asleep now but i doubt it'll last long, poor love. It breaks my heart when he's unhappy. sad

LittleMissFlustered Thu 15-Nov-12 19:50:53

I'm having issues keeping up at the minute, but hope everyone is prodding buttock as needed.

I need coffeesad

jigglebum Thu 15-Nov-12 21:23:50

figgy thinking of you and your mum - so hard when they are far away.

Quick nosey question - feel free to not reply! Those of you on the pill , what do you take and how do you get on with it? Reason I ask is I have changed type recently and brand and reading people's experiences of it I am getting a bit worried. I was on Ovranette before DS and between DS and Freya. Had no issues with it at all, regular, light periods, no moodiness, no break through bleeding etc, so asked to go back on it after finished BF Freya. But because it is a combined pill and due to my age etc they wouldn't presribe it so tried Loestrin 20, a combined pill but low dose . Took me a while to realise but think it really affected my moods - much more snappy, weepy etc and also had break through bleeding. Came off it for 3 weeks and felt so much better but I need some contraception and have heavy periods generally so Id like to reduce them. Have now started on Micronor , a POP but Im worried about the number of stories of weight gain, depression, lots of bleeding and getting pregnant I have read. The dr was keen to fit the Mirena coil - I was less so. SO basically, what do you use and how do you get on with it?

SevenElvesAndAReindeer Thu 15-Nov-12 21:36:18

Well done Hope!

Hope your mum is better soon figgy, must be tough being so far away.

LMF hope things are ok.

Well the flat completed, and the scan went well, baby was kicking and waving. I'm now 11+6, I was only one day out by my dates, due date is now 31st may.

Yay fab news Seven! Now you get the fun of telling everyone in RL! grin

Jiggle, I'm on Mercilon. They gave it to me when I had the implant (which I most definitely do NOT recommend!) to stop the bleeding so I've just carried on with it since I had that removed last week. Can't really say too much about it at the moment as its only been just over a week that its been the only thing I have, iykwim?

Apparently it's quite low dose I'm too scared to google it though I do have some icky brown spotting today so maybe it isn't the one for me... we shall see!

BeeMyBaby Thu 15-Nov-12 21:43:11

dsm is there normally dairy in bread? I gave dn2 bread at the weekend (also lactose intolerant)- I checked the ingrediants and it all seemed fine?

OiMissus Thu 15-Nov-12 21:47:18

Aw seven that's so lovely to hear! Congratulations lady! gringringrin
And congrats on completing the sale too. It's so nice when a plan comes together!
lmf keep your chin up. Hope it starts to get better for you soon.
Well I 'be tried and tried and failed to find a nice hotel for Saturday night. We wanted somewhere within a 2 hour drive, where we could take BOi, and celebrate our wedding anniversary. But it just isn't happening. I've got £100 worth of vouchers for mr n mrs smith, but loads of their hotels frown on kiddiwinkles, and any other demand a 2 night stay.sad
Maybe I'll search again for next weekend instead...

Just found out a girl got mugged and beaten on my route from work to the coach stop tonight. My friend (who also gets the coach) heard her screaming and went to investigate, to see the bloke running off and the girl (15yrs old) covered in blood. It's a really busy part of London right near Tower Hill.

I'm gonna be scared walking home tomorrow now! I've been walking that way for 3 years now and never had any trouble. I might have to start getting the tube.

mopsytop Thu 15-Nov-12 21:59:02

Yay seven! That's great news!

Woo seven, and mini-seven no.3! How lovely for you, congratulations to you and your DP.
By the way, that <twang> noise you can hear is the ovaries of a lot of women on this thead wink

The Ireland case is horrific, you can't imagine what that poor woman went through, mentally and physically.
I'm now far more of a crier that I was as well Oi, I well up easily. The way I feel is the sort of the flip side to you Xiao- I get upset as I know DS has everything he'll ever need in a family who love him and nurture him; it's the rest of the kids round here I get upset for.
For example, one colleague is a governor at a local primary. He reported today that of their nursery intake, not a single one of the babies/toddlers were meeting any of their foundation developmental targets (forgotten the proper name). Not one.

That's horrendous figgy your poor Mum. Let us know how she gets on. I know you've only just been up there, but if you have to go back...sad

Impetigo is horribly contagious I believe mopsy, sorry. DP's had it and owing to his job wasn't allowed to go in until it had cleared. Really hope it does turn out to be nothing!

jiggle - I was on microgynon for years, no problems with that. I had awful, awful periods but I think that's me (it's a family thing) rather than the pill. Was on the implant and injection, both meant no periods, yay, but weight gain and lowered sex drive, boo. Am now on Cerazette, the one that everyone on here got pregnant on(!) and it too is great- no periods, the weight I'd put on with the others has come off again.

The less said about my day the better, I'm just looking forward to a nice large glass of something tomorrow....

hawthers Thu 15-Nov-12 22:38:32

I've just started on microgynon but have had loads of breakthrough bleeding. Basically out of the last 4 weeks I had my period (dragged on for a week) a week off then on and off random bleeding now I've got my period again. hmm Bloody odd. Just hope it improves over the next couple of months.

Aethelfleda Thu 15-Nov-12 22:47:26

Jiggle, micronor is an old-style progesterone-only minipill: it a) only has a three-hour forgetting window (newer style Cerazette you have twelve hours to remember, same as the combined pills). So its easier to accidentally take late. Also - forgive me cos I don't know how tall/skinny/bulky you are- micronor doesnt work as well in body weights over 70kg ie there's a real risk of it failing even if you take it correctly. So if you are slim and take it religiously it should be ok, but it's easy to trip up with. Cerazette works whatever your body weigjt and is reputed to ease period pain quite well too.
Personally I'm a fan of Mirena coils as they are fab for reducing heavy periods. I did take Cilest for a while before having the kiddies and that worked well for me, but am a bit meh about the faff of taking pills if I can avoid it. It's very individual which pill suits you, the important thing is getting one that works!

<looks furtively at duvet and dives under before DS wakes me up with his poor little night cough>

Aethelfleda Thu 15-Nov-12 22:48:45

Ooh and congrats seven, lovely to hear!

And good luck to your mum figgy, how stressful

Night!

Seven That's great news on both the scan and the flat smile

Bee Some breads can have milk in just depends which one you buy. The bread we have been given for Sky is Gluten, wheat & dairy free.

Feel pants still but need to go into work today as training day ready for the clinical computer system change on 14th Dec. Aethel Being curious what is your occupation??

Re contraception. Between my children I had a copper coil inserted best thing ever grin not on any at the moment as at some point in the next 12 months I think we'd like DC3 so no point having a coil fitted yet. After DC3 I'm having a sterilisation anyway. So no more contraception for my body at least grin

Aethelfleda Fri 16-Nov-12 08:26:55

<fires up the coffee hose> take cover!!!

We have had a bad night with lots of wakeups, grumbling and clinginess. Fortunately this morning he cut tooth number six! Hopefully this will make him a happier chappy: we're trying him bacl at the childminders today a full week after his grotty bug. Inset day so will be taking the DDs off for a softplay, if he doesn't settle we can always come and get him back.
(pm coming your way dsm )

<immerses head in coffee bucket>

OiMissus Fri 16-Nov-12 09:42:52

We had a horrid night too.
Picked him up from the GPs with grumps. Poor little chap was v v miserable.
during the night, he was just whining constantly. Eyes closed, but non-stop crying, so I brought him into our bed. He stopped whining constantly, but was very restless, and whined every 20 mins instead. So no one got any sleep. Especially as he insisted on keeping a firm grip on me. sad
He seemed OK this morning so he's gone to nursery. Can't wait to pick him up in 3 hours. Let the cuddles commence!

SevenElvesAndAReindeer Fri 16-Nov-12 12:20:05

Thanks all. We won't be making any public announcements though. DH had a horrible time when I was pregnant with Eva with people giving their awful opinions in the pub (where he works, he's not just always in there!) on us being selfish wanting another child despite the risks of md. some of these people even came to our wedding, they still won't speak to him now. Oddly they still try to speak to me, I'm obviously his poor wife being impregnated against her will hmm. Sorry, that wasn't meant to be quite as ranty. We're certainly not ashamed or hiding it, more acknowledging its nobody else's business, we're only announcing it to people we know will be happy for us and supportive.

dsm no offence meant but have you looked on the labels or is this the advice of your HV? We just buy normal supermarket pre-sliced bread, usually hovis/kingsmill/tesco, I've never found any that contain milk, I don't even bother checking the labels now, and she's so intolerant that I'd definitely know if she'd had it by mistake! The only ones I've found you have to watch out for are the fresh in-store bakery type ones. Some do contain soya though. Out of curiosity what bread does she have, is it rye bread? Intrigued as to what other sort of bread you can make without wheat!

figgy any more news on your mum, or any chance you can get there to see her?

Hope all teethy miserable babies are feeling better soon. Eva still hasn't cut her first one, but I can feel that it's close, she still has an explosive bottom, it's been bad since Sunday now.

How awful Seven, I'm angry on your behalf! Its your decision whether you have more children, nobody else's and I'm very much of the opinion that if somebody doesn't agree with it, they should bloody well keep their mouth shut!

Aethel Thanks for your PM smile

Seven Was on advice of HV. I know most breads are made with veg oils and not milk but I think HV & GP are just helping with the trial.

Well home from work as feel pants still and training went meh...grin

Gosh seven, I remember you saying before about how people had been awful during your pregnancy. The real, cave-dwelling views you get sometimes, that seem to be amplified when you're pregnant. And having worked in pubs, I know what it's like!
Every wanted baby is to be celebrated, so we're hanging out the bunting and waving the pom poms for you here smile. I frankly can't wait to have the vicarious pleasure not jealousy at all oooooh no wink of your pregnancy.

Crappy night here too; DS woke me at just gone one, went and got him and got into bed. Keeping the double bed in that room has been the best decision ever, with knobs on. But like you Oi, poor thing didn't settle too well, and took ages- it's because he's so snotty, and we think no.9 is coming through. Not that he'll let us look mind.
He fell asleep on the trip down to meet me off the train, bless.

Hope you all had fun at softplay aethel, and did DS do OK at the CM?

Very interesting day workwise here too!

Right, curry and a wine beckons grin

SevenElvesAndAReindeer Fri 16-Nov-12 20:26:27

Thanks northern, but just 'cos its the weekend, you don't need to brag about having wine grin

Aethelfleda Fri 16-Nov-12 20:34:45

Evening! We went to Here : the DDs ran around like loons for three hours (there's no time limit when it's quiet), munched lunch (they have a basic but nice menu of sarnies/potatoes/kiddy-meals) and then we bought a couple of nice big bulb pots at the next door garden centre so we can plant some in our garden and take some with us if/when we move.

DS did reassuringly well at the childminders, though he was a bit clingier as the day went on than usual. I got him at half five and he was all smiles forthe rest of the evening. Phew. Maybe he'll sleep through tonight for the first time in over a stuffing week

Did you do OK getting back from work today missree? hope so.

Two mOre viewings tomorrow so better get tidying and then bed. Sigh.

Glad to hear the Spawn did well at childminders today Aethel and hope the tidying for viewings isn't too painful!

I got home fine tonight, even if I did look like a paranoid loon looking over my should all the time and trying not to look like a victim grin

jigglebum Fri 16-Nov-12 20:55:43

Thanks ladies, interesting thoughts. Will stick with Micronor for a little while and see how it goes. I don't have a problem with having to take it within a 3 hour window as Im up the same time most days. It is more for period regulation than contraception at the moment to be honest!!

seven congrats - glad the scan went well and can't believe people would even consider judging. We are all very pleased for you anyway.

Had such a knackering day today. Freya's sleep is still terrible - was up with her for over 2 hours last night - she thought it was playtime not sleep time. Then she slept in this morning and I went to work before she woke up. work was fine, I enjoy it, but was completely full on all day, with a meeting in break time and teaching at lunch time. Then back home and straight into the cooking tea, bathing them routine. Slightly annoying when DH phones to say he will be late back when I know he will have taken his full hour lunch break. Heh ho - I am off out tomorrow meeting up with some friends.

Eeeek, forgot about that, sorry seven! Um, hope you enjoy a nice Becks Blue or something confused?
Do you avoid totally or have the occasional one?

Glad you had fun aethel, and that you're OK MCR. I know your fear though- when I moved here my colleague, who became a good friend, got mugged at the train station that's 30 seconds from where we worked, within about 2 months of me moving down.
Gave me the wibblies for ages.

Figgygal Fri 16-Nov-12 21:13:34

Hi all just a quick update But mum is better now she had her op last night to repair hernia and perforated bowel and is not being sick anymore and has been out of bed today she on high dependency unit until tomorrow but that should be it grin

Finished DS bday/Xmas today got a mega pack of mega blocks for £12.50 which was half price and 2 packs of ball pit balls now to convince dh to not let him have the ball pit now!! It is so hard!!!!!!

OiMissus Fri 16-Nov-12 23:49:08

Good to hear your mum is doing better figgy.
Heart breaking children in need tonight.sad

LittleMissFlustered Sat 17-Nov-12 07:47:12

Think I've fixed my profile.

Hope everyone has a good weekend.

Good to hear your mum is feeling better Figgy

Today is the day we start Sky on Nutramigen. Mixing it with SMA LF as she's not liking the Nutramigen on its own yet!

I think this sodding Flu cold has hit my chest now. All mucusy, bunged up & hurts to take a deep breath in sad good thing I'm not at work till Wednesday now, so hopefully it would of passed by then.

Have a good weekend all. smile

Aw, the tentacled one is all grown up (and no longer models the box!)

Good to hear your Mum is on the mend figgy, let's hope it continues.

Aethelfleda Sat 17-Nov-12 16:18:18

<brews a biiig pot of tea>

hope you're doing alright LMF....

we got DS his first little cruiser shoes today: aww, grown up baby!!

OiMissus Sat 17-Nov-12 18:05:34

BOi isn't happy still. Just grumble-sleeping. Grumbly all day. Lots if tears n red cheeks n chewing of hands. He had some nurofen 30 mins ago. He has a temp of 39... He's just in a vest and pj bottoms n sox. Will test again in 20 mins. sad any ideas?

OiMissus Sat 17-Nov-12 18:06:12

Oh and he did not appreciate the Teetha gel. sad

LittleMissFlustered Sat 17-Nov-12 18:27:03

We tried to procure some cruising feets for toddler groups etc. today, but he was having none of itsad he has fat little 2.5 h feet >_<

I'm coping. Having Boo issues. Need to get to speak to a GP, or kids, or camhssad school are being chocolate fireguardesque, and the school nurse team not much better. Feel like I'm failing himsad

OiMissus Sat 17-Nov-12 19:01:17

We have sleep and a temp of 37.9, so a bit better.
We have 4h feet - or did 4 weeks ago.
What's with Boo? Hope you're ok.

AnAirOfHopeForSnow Sat 17-Nov-12 19:18:49

Hope boo is ok, sending posative vibs that things get sorted for you both.

Hope just stood up and took her first step - on top of a table in a pub blush

We were having dinner out with Inlaws and they let her cralw on table to me (with me panicing she was going to fall off) and she just stood up and walked to me grin

But now i think its an omen for her being a flossy and dancing on pub tables when she is older totally not like her mum oh no hmm

BJR Sat 17-Nov-12 19:37:09

DS has been like that all week too Oi temperature was up and down and very unsettled and clingy. I assumed it was teething but took him to the doctors in the end as he was clearly not himself and it turned out to be tonsilitis. Antibiotics have cleared it right up. I know it may be something completely different for Boi but might be worth getting the doctor to check him over if it carries on.

LittleMissFlustered Sat 17-Nov-12 19:37:23

Huzzah for walking and reducing feverssmile

Boo has mood issues, and general odd boy issues. I tried to get some help through the school nurses. They've been uselesssad Going to try my GP next. There's a vague possibility that he could have spectrum disorder. Though equally he could just be a pratsad I'm just not coping too well at the minute, so either way we need a bit of support.

AnAirOfHopeForSnow Sat 17-Nov-12 19:52:57

Lfm how old is boo?

Oi my rule of thumb is if the temp last two days take to doctors. With air it normally just a viral infection that they cant do anything about but it stops me worrying too much.

Aethelfleda Sat 17-Nov-12 19:53:06

Good luck lmf, sounds like you're being very sensible. Vent here if it helps, we're all about and have neverending virtual coffeepots!

oi received wisdom over this way is that while teething can cause sore botty, drool-a-go-go and disturbed sleep/general grumping, it can only cause a low grade temp (37.5-37.7 tops) a temp of 38 plus can't be pure teething, more likely he's picked up a virus or a throat/ear infection. If it keeps coming back when the calpol/ibuprofen wears off or it you have trouble getting it back down below 38 then get ye to the GP....

Am being subjected to the abject Dr Who/Sarah Jane ripoff that is Wizards Versus Aliens. Woe is me, it's a total clone without the good characters. They've even nicked the soundtrack orchestra.

LittleMissFlustered Sat 17-Nov-12 20:06:17

It's another RTD vehicle isn't it Aethel?

I'll type more tomorrow perhaps. About to put the kids into their pits. Toying with going to my wn too, as I am officially exhausted. Not eaten properly today though, so am torn:/

AnAirOfHopeForSnow Sat 17-Nov-12 20:06:56

Aaron is three (Four in Feb) and he is pushing the bountries currently by not listening to me or dh, jumping on me, hitting me, kicking, running off, he is constantly holding Hopes hands and squeesing them, if she crys he will jump on me or say he needs a wee or poo or needs me to stop me going to Hope and genraly being a pita.

Nothing i do seems to work with him and he just laughs at me when i take his toy away or put him on time out.

He doesnt tidy his toy or help. He is into avngers hulk spirderman ironman and keeps play fighting and climbing all the time.

He helps himself to food out of the kitchen and yesterday opened the front door to see if his gp were out side!

Its a fight to get him dressed for school in the afternoon and it takes me 45 minutes to get him dressed. He doesnt want a bath then he refuses to come out.

He has not made any close friendships in school and tonight refused to play in the sofeplay area because "he was scared of the mean man" then he went and played and refused to come out when we needed to leave.

When i ask him what hes done at school it nothing, nought or i cant remember. I have no idea what he does for the 15 hours a week he is there confused

He wants new toys all the time and is just a spolit brat with an atturte problem at the momment sad

AnAirOfHopeForSnow Sat 17-Nov-12 20:12:22

Reading that back its just me being a crap parent sad

OiMissus Sat 17-Nov-12 21:32:54

Thanks for the advice aethel. And the warning bjr.
After the temp and delirious eyes, he slept, then woke and had his bottle, and now he's like a different BOi! I have my BOi back! It may not last long, but it's great seeing him back to normal - apart from the horrible cough.
lmf I don't know what spectrum disorder is, but what makes you think boo has it?

KateM77 Sat 17-Nov-12 22:19:08

lmf my half brother has asperger's which wasn't diagnosed until he was 10. That was really too late for him to get the help he needed (a very long story). Keep fighting to get the help for boo that you want. The whole situation sounds really frustrating for you. We're all here with virtual support and vats of coffee.

Hmmm.... work do was actually quite nice, even wore heels (!) but for some obscure reason my body decided that on waking for a swig of water at 4am that it would be delightful to keep me awake.
Ping!
So here I am hmm Will do a few odd jobs and MN...

air, I don't think it's you being a crap parent at all, I think we'll all have been, or will be in a position to post something like that at some point- it sounds like he's just pushing boundaries. As long as you're consistent, I'm sure it'll settle.

And I can well imagine that whatever's going on is multiplied to the power of '000000 by your lack of sleep LMF, if not significantly caused by it (for you that is). As for Boo, keep pushing. Have you been able to approach any of the charities or groups, national or local, that support people with autism? They may have some advice about how best to progress things, and/or be able to help you rule it out.

Think I may do a bit of finance filing and read Saturday's papers. And I bet anything that after a week of early waking, DS will choose today to lie in confused!

CheungFun Sun 18-Nov-12 06:38:53

Ugh! I think DS is having some sort of sleep regression sad he keeps waking up an hour after he's gone to sleep in the evening and waking up super early. I hope he gets back to his normal good sleeping soon. I'm seriously grumpy getting up at 5.30am!

Figgygal Sun 18-Nov-12 07:24:08

Morning all DS decided he didn't want to go back to sleep this morning do he's destroying his bookshelves in his room and I have made a den on floor with all his soft toys as a pillow and lying here (not so) comfortably!!

Today is to be a pre Xmas lines at the post office eBay selling spree and sitting on arse drinking tea day!!

OiMissus Sun 18-Nov-12 09:36:53

BOi is poorly. Bad cold and grumps. sad however, he slept quite well last night. After a couple of nights practise, he just went back to sleep after waking coughing. When he woke at 5, very upset, I brought him into bed and he settled and snuggled in with us until 8. EIGHT!
He's drowsy. Has moments of smiles and sunshine, then goes back to sad whinging.sad his temp is up and down. Was not interested in breakfast. Snot-tastic. We're rocking on Nurofen (he loves medicine!).
We'll just keep snuggling and checking and may go visit the doc tomorrow.
I'm off to France on Tuesday, until Friday. sad I don't want to be away from my BOi when all is well, but especially not when he's miserable. sadsadsadsad

Oi hope BOi feels better soon.

LittleMissFlustered Sun 18-Nov-12 19:41:49

Hoping BOi has gone for a nice snoozesmile

I have one Little Lady who is so tired & not giving in easily sad

Snap.

DS woke at half five and was really, really not himself- so whingey. When I eventually took him down I looked in his ear and it was not pretty. As soon as he was dosed up, he was absolutely back to normal. Told DP but he 'couldn't see anything' hmm.
Anyhow, after we'd all had our various sleeps, we re-grouped and DS's ear was icky (TMI but it was like snot running out of there- I've never had or seen an ear problem so was quite surprised!) So off to OOH Doc's this afternoon, and we have a perforation/ruptured ear drum and LOTS of weepage. But no proper bacterial infection thankfully.
A week of antibiotics and keeping on top of the pain meds.... Doc said to keep him out of nursery if possible, but given that he's fine we'll see what they say. There's no temperature or fever, so we're hoping he'll be OK, but we'll need to see how he is on the anti-bs.

Hope BOi gets well soon Oi!

OiMissus Sun 18-Nov-12 20:50:23

Poorly babes! No good!! Hope the anti b's kick in soon for you LO northern.
Ali's just gone down. He's had lots of sleep today, so it was no surprise. He hasn't eaten a thing today, but has drunk most of his milk. Oh and he had 2 frubes. He'll never turn down that gum-cooling tube of sugary goodness!

mopsytop Sun 18-Nov-12 21:30:06

Oh dear Northern and Oi, hope your babies are better soon. So stressful and tiring.

Sorry haven't posted, been at MIL's and husband was out with his friends for a long planned day/night out, so I didn't really have time.

Right am going to write 1500 words before bed!

Oh and I had an article accepted. My first article. In an international, peer-reviewed journal. Yay! Has given me a bit of a confidence boost after the (harsh) rejection of the other article and made me feel that maybe my work isn't so terrible after all!

Aethelfleda Sun 18-Nov-12 21:31:40

<unrolls the coffee hose for another night>

<unrolls a much smaller teeny tiny pink hose full of calpol for the beebs>

Hope all the poorly LO's get some rest, and mums too!

mopsytop Sun 18-Nov-12 21:33:00

aww aethel, your teeny pink hose is so cute!

Aethelfleda Sun 18-Nov-12 21:34:36

Ooh, well done mopsy!

<applause>

mopsytop Sun 18-Nov-12 21:46:54

Thanks aethel, v. relieved! right AWAY from mumsnet and back to chapter...
<waves to everyone else>

KateM77 Sun 18-Nov-12 21:54:11

Congrats mopsy

Thanks for the little pink hose aethel. It has already been used here too sad

Hi all. Will catch up properly in the week as we are currently without WiFi, but when I lie on the floor of Seb's room I can get a signal on my phone!!!!

We're moved, looks like there may be new tenants for the other house, and assuming the man that interviewed me wasn't talking out of his backside I should get a job offer this week. Things are looking up.

Just sent dh out to find someone selling calpol though. A new house (again!)and a teething baby full of cold DO NOT MIX!!!

LittleMissFlustered Mon 19-Nov-12 03:28:12

Anyone got a sleepy-bopper they can loan me? Octoboy is not approving of unconscious tonightsad

'grats to Mopsy and positive pompommery for houses jobs and calpol acquisition for team kat smile

Right. Off to try again.

Congrats Mopsy

Aethel Your teeny pink hose came In handy last night. Although did mange a full nights sleep from both my girls from 8:30 and they are still asleep grin

CheungFun Mon 19-Nov-12 09:02:40

Oh dear non sleeping babies and illness all round!

DS went to bed at 7pm and woke up twice before I went to bed, then woke up at midnight, 3am and 5.30am. I really hope he gets back into his normal sleep routine again soon. I love my sleep!!

Apart from the night wakings though I can't complain! He is now down to 2 bottles a day, 3 meals a day and a mid morning and mid afternoon snack! Still on 2 naps a day as well. This could be why he doesn't have many tricks....all his time is spent eating and sleeping and trying to walk lol!

Anyway hope everyone has a good Monday smile

I want to know what your Christmas traditions are? Have you started new ones for your DC, are you carrying on family traditions?

Well I have always brought Darcie a new pair of PJ's to wear after her bath on xmas eve, which I will now do for Sky as well. I have carried this one on as is a tradition by both our parents.

This is one i've started for my DC myself and that is to buy a tree ornament for them each year so by the time they move out and have a home & tree of their own they will have enough ornaments to put on it.

Figgygal Mon 19-Nov-12 09:50:32

No xmas traditions here must think of some!!

Ds has a cough again it seems like he has had 1 for months he woke me up once last night but woke dh up 3/4 times, he doesnt seem to wake himself but its not nice for him. When i took him to dr b4 she said some babies just cough more than others he isnt unwell so dont want to take him back for a 3rd time!!

Im working from home this am as have pm off to take ds for an eye check as dh had a squint as a child and so they need to check figgyboy out, am going to try get him weighed at hv first as he is so big i do worry about him shooting off the chart altogether but the last time i took him i was waiting over an hour, clinic at 2 eye check at 2.45 in another surgery across the road, dont fancy my chances but may as well give it a go can speak to them about his cough!! I tried to move his eye check 10+ times but no-one ever answered the phone and it was organised at main eye hospital in town rather than the local clinic where the appt is so not only have i to take a half day from work have to pay the cm the whole day when im picking up 4hrs early grr but needs must.

The other tradition I have started is Darcie always had a new party dress to wear for Xmas & Boxing Day. smile

CheungFun Mon 19-Nov-12 11:08:26

No traditions here either except that we eat chocolate before 9am....start as we mean to go on grin

CheungFun Mon 19-Nov-12 11:10:07

Oh I should have said that we have bought DS a stocking this year and Father Christmas will fill it up for him!

We have just bought one big present for his birthday (Christmas Eve) and one big present for Christmas Day. When DS is a bit older FatherChristmas will probably provide a couple of other presents as well smile

jigglebum Mon 19-Nov-12 12:54:34

Morning everyone. I had a lovely weekend away with the girls, walking and relaxing. DH had a bit of a hard time with the DCs and feel I definitely owe him a weekend break! Aethel you appear to be friends with one of these girls on FB so you will be able to see the photos as she posted them!!

RE Christmas - we all have stockings and pile into our bed in the morning to open them all and we also eat chocolate before 9am! We are also quite strict about holding off on the big presents till later in the day. WE always go out for a walk sometime in the day. DHs family has more as he is half Scandinavian but we are not sure how many to incorporate into our Xmas. We have decided not to open presents on Xmas eve as they did but there are some other nice things we should perhaps do.

DS spent his early days with many ear infections - we generally found once it had perforated he was ok.

LittleMissFlustered Mon 19-Nov-12 12:59:50

Breaking news:

Medical professional listens to baby's chest and admits there's actual wheezing! Further astonishment when said medical bod prescribes a course of preventative medication and discusses action plan for managing the lungs. Mother falls off planet in shock!

OiMissus Mon 19-Nov-12 14:47:12

Hurrah for eventual recognition LMF! Hope this helps with Octoboys chest - and sleep!
It got worse for us last night. He had his bottle,and seemed to settle, but at 20:30 he woke, coughing, got upset. DH went to soothe him and got covered in vomit. I went to help out, and yep, you guessed it, then got covered in vomit (he saved the most for mummy). hmm
We all washed and he came back upstairs (we "live" upstairs and go down to bed), he eventually slept on me, and then we brought the spare cot (get us!) into our room again. And then he crawled into bed with us. And he coughed a lot into my face, and we didn't get much sleep.
We went to the docs this morning. It has all changed, there is a pharmacy in reception, and this is great. what is even greater is the incredibly sexy young doctor who checked out BOi's chest. (mummy starts wheezing in hope... ahem...!) Phwoar indeed! Why was BOi is hand-me downs, and why was I in scruffs with no make up on?! (It's my 2nd wedding anniversary today, BTW grin)
Anyway, BOi just has a common cold. Nothing to worry about. We just need to keep an eye on him and get him eating again. He had a little bit at breakfast and lunch at least.
Apparently DH is cooking me something special and fancy for dinner tonight.
I'm off to France tomorrow and have so much to do beforehand it is Incroyable! It's my meeting and I haven't started some of the presentations and preparation for the tasks I'll be setting. And I've so much other stuff to do too.
And I've not even started to pack.
Must get to it. Back to budgets.
But first spin that coffee hose this-a-way!

Happy Anniversary Mr&MrsOi Hope BOi gets better soon.

<Fires up the coffee machine with special Starbucks Christmas blend>

AnAirOfHopeForSnow Mon 19-Nov-12 16:50:11

lines up for coffee

Im planning on making Hope a castle cake for her birthday next Monday. Im stressing!

Figgygal Mon 19-Nov-12 17:51:24

Bloody hell lost my post angry

Basically was saying good news to lmf and oi and happy anniversary to oi!!

Figgyboy is still on the weight charts now closer to 98th than 99th centile which is a bit better grin. He also has no sign of a squint and can see 3d pictures which was very cute he grabbed the card and was pointing to the hidden pics ......all very clever!!

Birthday cakes r definitely for buying in my house the restaurant manager at work will even make 1 to order so might go for that option blush

My bean Darcie has come home from school with a migraine and already vomited once sad is tucked up in bed now after a calpol fast melt so take her migraine away sad

Sky is also in bed, DH is about to go out. So a chill out and pasta for 1 tonight.

jigglebum Mon 19-Nov-12 20:49:50

Happy anniversary oi

Freya being a pain in the arse about going to bed tonight. My fault as I let her have too late a sleep but she needed it. She only had 15 mins as I woke her up but it is enough to mean she is not tired enough to relax and settle at bed time. Tried at 7pm and tried again at 8pm. Had to resort to 2 mins of crying, go back in, try to settle, leave another 2 mins etc but DH can't cope with that and says I make it too stressful so I have left him to it. He thinks it would be easier if he just put her to bed so I have said I am very happy to let him do that every night, as at the moment I do it every night and it can be stressful. DH might have slightly less patience if he has to do it more than once or twice! He was happy enough to do controlled crying with DS at this age (and that was leaving him a lot longer than 2 mins but it did work) but seems Freya can do no wrong in his eyes already. I can see this causing us issues (well even more issues than we already have!).

Think I might just have an early night.

Hah! DS laughs in the face of goodwill wishes and now has hand, foot and mouth to go with his weeping perforated ear infection confused!

Thought he was rather spotty, and now it's been confirmed. Outbreak at nursery. At least he's entirely happy with everything, was fine at nursery.

Yay for mospy, hurrah for your Doc LMF, 20/20 for figgyboy, cuddles for BOi, happy anniversary to Oi!
It's been a very long working day, so it's a short post smile!

Cuddles for Darcie too, sorry!

LittleMissFlustered Mon 19-Nov-12 22:46:05

<lobs biohazard suit at miniChinny>

Long day was long! School, doctors, quick brew, trouser acquisition, school, lookseeing of new thing at school, two parent evening things, blood donation session... Tired! <falls over>

Octoboy gets his new medicine in Wednesday. Apparently they can disrupt evening sleep patterns. I laughed a bit hysterically and asked if sleep patterns came on prescription also!grin

OiMissus Tue 20-Nov-12 06:59:54

Ha ha ha lmf, lets hope the "broken sleep" pattern is affected and he sleeps soundly from Weds. grin
Had a v nice anniversary. No. 2 in modern parlance is China. So DH decorated the kitchen with Chinese lanterns and cooked me a fabulous Chinese meal - I don't normally like Chinese but it was gorgeous!
Off to France now. sad

OiMissus Tue 20-Nov-12 08:15:41

(I wrote "ha ha" because I actually laughed out loud in the station, but can not bring myself to use "lol". I'm such a gimp.)

LMF grin at sleep pattern on script hahahaha.

Oi have a good trip to France. Hope BOi is feeling better today.

I have Darcie home from school today feeling under the weather which isn't like her, she's currently asleep in my bed sad

Xiaoxiong Tue 20-Nov-12 10:26:25

<waves at everyone, distributes early turkey, stuffing and cranberry sauce> Sorry babes are poorly and non-sleeping - sending health vibes to all including darcie, Boi, octoboy and hope boo gets the support he needs. Oi how long will you be in France? Bring back some gorgeous cheese.

Christmas traditions - stockings discovered on foot of bed in the morning. Massive long extended brunch with smoked salmon, cream cheese, bagels and neverending pots of coffee - each member of the family opens a present one by one and we all ooh and ahh while listening to Carols from Kings (ancient tape recording) the Jackson 5 Christmas album! Then we sing carols and random songs and go out for Chinese food in the evening.

This past weekend was an exeat so we dropped DS off with my mother on Sunday afternoon, and then DH and I went to see the Master at the cinema, had burgers at 10pm at Byron and then SLEPT IN followed by leisurely breakfast over the papers at the Botanist in Sloane Square. It was amazing - that long, slow waking up you do when you have no alarm set, no DS wailing...absolutely brilliant. I was a little nervous leaving DS with my mother overnight but it was completely fine!

I also bought some wool and needles and last night watched a bunch of youtube videos and sort of taught myself to knit a little bit. I'm still not quite sure what to do at the end of a row though, I pretty sure I'm doing it wrong. My aim is to make DS a scarf before the end of the winter. We'll see...

Aethelfleda Tue 20-Nov-12 12:28:29

Hey, another novice knitter! waves

i recommend "knitting tips by Judy". Judy has a lovely leisurely drawl and her explainations are clear and strangely soporific! Just Youtube "Judy" and whatever knitting bit you need info on.

LittleMissFlustered Tue 20-Nov-12 13:32:14

<waves a circ and a ball of brown acrylic> I'm supposed to be knitting a pudding hat!

I'd love to have the timepatience to knit. Used to knit as a kid forgotten how to now tho! Should learn really.

Knew Darcie should of gone to school really angry not poorly at all. Tbh not like her to feign illness so what with her having a migraine last night genuinely thought she was poorly. Happily playing in the den under the stairs with Sky. Have made mince pies whilst they've been playing.

BeeMyBaby Tue 20-Nov-12 13:56:01

Lmf its great to hear that doctors are actually willing to prescribe something to octoboy, though doubtless not very fun to force down him in practise.

oi congratulations on the 2nd anniversary, your pictures on facebook were lovely

As I've co slept with DD2 since she was born (I blame everyone but me! - DD1 poking her awake during daytime naps in the cot & DH leaving childcare 100% to me for both children whilst I was on mat leave even though he wasn't working), and so DD2 has an extreme aversion to her cot and if I try to put her in it she screams like I just chopped off her finger or something equally horrendous, I've tried CCing as she's almost a year and she will quieten down after about 10 mins now, but I'd really like her not to be terrified of the cot in the first place - any ideas? I've also tried the shhhh pat shh method but its fairly innefective with that screaming.

Muffinpig Tue 20-Nov-12 14:31:41

Hi everyone, sorry I dropped off there for a bit. Seem to have massive to-do lists every day at the moment and doing it all between naps, meals, playgroups, appointments, seeing friends, housework, etc etc it is hard to get anything done properly!

northern DS used to get ear infections all the time and perforated his ear drum 3/4 times too. Thankfully he hasn't had any now for over a year. Was it you asking about my difficult pregnancies? Can't remember. Anyway, yes any future pregnancies likely to be very complicated and for that and other reasons we don't want any more DC!

Sorry for all the ill babies, hope they all recover soon.

oi hope you have fun in France and enjoy lots of bread and cheese!

Argh forgotten all the other personals I wanted to say. I always post on my phone and its hard to remember!

Is anyone else still bfeeding? I am still on 3 a day but will soon cut down to 2 as dd has at last accepted milk out of a sippy cup. She is a very independent spirit and won't take it if I give it to her but if I leave it around while she's playing she will drink it herself. Anyway, what I wanted to ask is if anyone else is still bfeeding have you had a period yet? My last one was march 2011! I've been getting period pain for about 2 weeks now but nothing happening. Anything to worry about?

bee as a first step will she play in there with toys or will she scream even then? Or fill with playpit balls?! Once you can leave her there for 5 mins by herself she might not object to being put in to sleep? Don't know if it would work though.

Oh congrats lmf on getting a result from the mediquack!

Figgygal Tue 20-Nov-12 15:02:12

I used to knit wouldnt have a clue where to start now which is a shame it feels like a lost art. My mum has recommenced knitting in her blissful retirement so will leave it to her to make the boy's xmas jumper talking of which I had to do a mad dash to asda at lunchtime for some bday cards and bought him a xmas jumper with a penguin on it and a cute shirt and waistcoat as he has a 1st bday party for one of the antenatal babies on Saturday. Cant believe 1 is so close now - feel quite distressed about it all.

Does anyone know the etiquette with childminders children's bdays? It is my CM's little girls bday today DS sees her 3 days a week i have bought her a card and am going to get DS to mash his hands all over it later with paint on them that's not weird is it? We have invited her 3 kids to his bday party on 15th Dec too and the other kids he goes to CM with again weird/not weird? Do we need to buy xmas gifts for her kids? Would a kick ass selection box do? Oooh its such a minefield!!

BeeMyBaby Tue 20-Nov-12 17:38:03

muffin she won't play in it either, we used a travel cot as a playpen for a while when she was about 7 months and its all just fuel to the fire of her burning cot hatred.
Also re: bfing, still feeding in the evenings and during the night and not had a period since my random one when she was 6 weeks old, meaning Ive only had 4 since may 2009. I've had some pains too but that was over a month ago and its still a no show.

<catches mini biohaz suit and pops DS in for bed>
<looks for a larger one for DP and his snot>

I've literally just these past days stopped muffin. I'd cut it down to one a day in the evening in the past week, and then a combo of me being out at meetings and DS refusing meant I just stopped the evening one too. It was good as it meant it wasn't too final iyswim? Tbh, I want to be bought nice underwear for Xmas, so need to be sure I'm my final shape (for a while).
It's been great though, and nearly a year smile

Would it work if you put DD1 in the cot with toys, and then had DD2 join her Bee? So she could copy her big sister and feel secure?

All sounds lovely Xiao, Xmas and your lie in, not envy at all over that, noooooo smile

We have a few, but by we I mean me and Mum. The decs I made as a child go on the tree, Bucks Fizz (or Fucks Bizz as it's called for that morning) first thing, listen to a tape of Xmas songs called 'Naff Xmas' my Aunty Jane made. Then a brunch, and make up the dinner over the afternoon. Call the various rellies, and perhaps push my Mum out and pop in a pub. Dinner and of recent years Dr Who!
This year we'll have DS in the morning, and then DP will have him at his parents in the afternoon.

I am really, really excited about Xmas this year seeing as we sort of missed out last year. Feel really sorry for DP as he really doesn't like it, too much family crap sad

Aethelfleda Tue 20-Nov-12 20:43:27

<looks furtive> we has an offer... The "first offer" they made is 15k below what we want. The est agent said "ooh I dunno how much they'll go up" so I resisted the urge to say something impolite about how maybe that was his job... Have politely said thanks but can you offer better please? Have told EA what we "need" purely to try to get as close to that as possible. It's excruciating, this millions of steps and no certainty thing.
Oh well, if this doesn't raise my blood pressure nothing will!!

Pizza and nibbles for tea tonight, with some Misfits and possibly Merlin. Brain-lite telly, gotta love it....

<tentative pompoms for Aethel> hopefully they're just trying their luck and will up the offer sufficiently!

When will the tiredness end? Zzzzzzzzz

Thankfully have a day off tomorrow but not for fun - DP has hospital for results of the bone marrow test thingies. Stress.

Aethelfleda Tue 20-Nov-12 21:09:51

((((hug))))) for misree. good luck for tomorrow, dude.

Hope you manage to get some sleep tonight, and that the news is good tomorrow- fingers crossed MissRee.

LittleMissFlustered Tue 20-Nov-12 21:51:04

<pompoms> for everyone.

Breastfeeding, yes. Lotssad At least three times in the day and pretty much all nightsad

SevenElvesAndAReindeer Tue 20-Nov-12 22:16:57

Hope it's good news tomorrow missree.

aethel hope they increase the offer!

air don't stress over the birthday cake, Hope really isn't old enough to care how fancy her cake is yet. Sorry Air is playing up, remember its just a phase. DS was 4 in June and he's honestly like Jekyll and Hyde at the moment. Some days he just won't listen, has no manners and won't do anything he's told. A couple of weeks ago he even kicked Eva in the face sad. But other days he's lovely and gives her cuddles, goes straight to her if she falls over and asks if he can help me, it's these days that keep me going.

DSM how are you doing with Sky's new diet, have you seen much improvement? By the way party rings don't contain dairy!

We open a present each on Christmas Eve, the DCs usually have a book which they'll have for their bedtime story. On Christmas morning we have mince pies for breakfast, and opening presents takes most of the day.

Well tomorrow is Eva's birthday!! Cake made and presents wrapped. We were going to the zoo but the weather forecast is pants! Instead we're just going to soft play then having a small family birthday tea with cake.

Hope all poorly babies get well soon!

OiMissus Tue 20-Nov-12 22:28:19

Bonsoir les filles!
No cheese has shown itself yet, but it will, but I won't be able to bring it back without devouring it! (Btw Tescos £10 meal deal now had cheese selection yum scrumptious! Not French, of course!)
Xmas: wake up, do prezzies, rush around and visit DH's rellies in morning, get to mum's at 1 for fabulous Christmas turkey n trimmings lunch, crackers etc., watch queenie, go to family party to see all mum's side of the family for gift exchange, buffet, silly quizzes and prizes and lots of wine. Go home around 9 , stuffed and squiffy, collapse on sofa with more wine. grin
Happy happy days! Bring on the sprouts!
Good luck for tomorrow missree.
And hope they come back with aired sensible offer aethel. Hope they're serious but were just testing.
Goodnight!

OiMissus Tue 20-Nov-12 22:30:05

Aired... Or "a more"...

Muffinpig Tue 20-Nov-12 23:38:33

Will be thinking of you tomorrow missree

Very nearly Happy Birthday to Eva!

Our Christmas is all piling into one bed for stockings, croissants for breakfast, start slowly opening presents (we do it one at a time and it takes ages), have smoked salmon, champagne and nibbles at 11ish, play with presents or continue opening, lunch around 1, then by the time we've finished and cleared up its fairly late afternoon and we might go for a walk or play with a toy in the garden, turkey sandwiches if anyone is hungry, watch rubbish on tv, bed. Long walk on boxing day.

I should be asleep! Went out with some girlfriends tonight which was lovely but all I really wanted to do was come home, chat to DH and go to bed. I'm not used to going out! Missed the DCs even though they were asleep, how sad am I?!

Xiaoxiong Wed 21-Nov-12 03:55:58

missree will be thinking of you tomorrow. Hope it's good news.

aethel yay for an offer - now some cosmic ordering and I know the price will go up.

Just woke up bc DS was moaning in his cot - I went in in the dark and fed him but he didn't seem interested so tried to put him down again - into a pool of proper grown up sick <boak>. Poor little mite! He seems ok now and is asleep. But now the question - can I leave him with the nanny tomorrow, as it's a massive 2 days at work coming up. I'm going to check him in another 2 hours - if he has vomited again I will stay home.

BeeMyBaby Wed 21-Nov-12 06:17:20

Happy 1st Birthday Eva!

Figgygal Wed 21-Nov-12 07:16:43

Happy birthday Eva!!

Been up since 5 due to ds coughing and nappy malfunction, wasn't surprised we had another full on melt down at bed last night trying to get nappy on so had to do it with him stood up hanging off curtains. This nappy tantrum business is very frustrating and upsetting and fundamentally unnecessary so sad and angry in equal measure!!

Crap day at work planned far too busy and it's been a year since I went off on mat leave this week so thinking back wistfully.......

Happy Birthday Eva smile

Seven Sky has seemed cheerier but too soon to tell. Has been able to go to loo easier tho. So not sure!

We have 2 top teeth grin

Happy Birthday Eva grin

<pompoms>

mopsytop Wed 21-Nov-12 09:03:17

Sorry not been on much, frantically trying to finish chapter. But woke up thus morning to a big vomit stain in the cot, then when I fed minimopsy up it all came in a big fountain all over me and her and the carpet. So no getting on with work today...

figgy, no idea about presents but I wouldn't go overboard all the same...

LM great news about sensible GP and proper meds for octoboy, hope they have the reverse effect and improve his sleep!!

Christmas traditions: presents were downstairs under Christmas tree in sitting room - we had them in a big bag with our initial on - leading to a very amusing mix up one year between my brother and sister who have the same initial - my sister was pulling things out, her face getting steadily more miserable until at last she broke down crying upon pulling out a skeletor !!! She was only 4. Very hilarious for the rest of us. Don't know why we didn't just put our whole names on the bags! Anyway we used wake up reeeally early bur weren't allowed to wake mum and dad until 7, so we would all pile into one or two beds and giggle for hours. The sitting room door was always locked on Christmas morning and dad would always take ages getting ready, l

mopsytop Wed 21-Nov-12 09:09:43

Then pretend to lose the key so we would be hopping up and down with impatience/excitement!! After pressies and breakfast we all walked to mass, nicest mass of the year always as you always met loads of friends after and there was lovely singing usually. Then home for lunch and a long walk on the beach later on. More recently we have prosecco in the morning but we always have croissants that you bake and grapefruit segments from a tin. Don't know where that tradition came from as we never had any other sort of tinned fruit at any other time. Now we have changed things a bit and do secret Santa and have presents mid morning as we are all grown up so several siblings only come for breakfast and/or pressies and coffee. We go to midnight mass on Christmas eve instead of Christmas day (although it's at 9pm now because everyone was coming in drunk from the pub at midnight haha). We only go to my parents every second year now though. Think will start our own Christmas in a year or two when minim is older and not go to either family. Will defs be keeping up some of our traditions though!

Xiaoxiong Wed 21-Nov-12 10:57:57

I LOVE reading about everyone's Christmas traditions. It makes me even more eager to have another DC because so much of all of our Christmases involve fun shared experiences with our siblings.

Poor old DS isn't managing to keep anything down - he went down for his nap and the poor nanny is texting me as she sits by his cot watching him sleep because she is afraid he will choke if he vomits again. Dioralyte will be offered until I can get home to breastfeed him but today is CRAZY for both me and DH and tomorrow is likely to be worse. Feel so very guilty sad

LittleMissFlustered Wed 21-Nov-12 10:58:16

Hoppy bopday Eva!

<shakes the sparkly pompoms>

Xiaoxiong Wed 21-Nov-12 11:23:46

I can't believe Eva is one today - the cute little pebble that began the avalanche... Happy birthday!!

SevenElvesAndAReindeer Wed 21-Nov-12 12:03:13

Thanks all.

xiao lose the guilt lady, hope DS is feeling better soon!

Meant to say more on Xmas traditions. The DCs also each choose one new decoration for the tree, it means they feel more involved and we constantly have nice new decorations, win win! Also (this is a new one I'm starting) as we home ed DS we work through all of the school holidays so we can have December off, I'm planning to do loads of Christmas crafts through December with him instead. We'll be making clay decorations, painting pine cones and covering with glitter, making cards etc.

Think Sky has chicken pox sad

Xiao Hope DS is better soon xx

BeeMyBaby Wed 21-Nov-12 14:48:48

figgy I used little walker/pant (but not pull up) type nappies at this age for DD1 and it was helpful for a while as although it didn't help with holding her down when trying to clean the poop, it was good with getting the nappy to fit on properly by getting her to step into it so all mess would be secured rather than trying to do up the sides and leaving poop escape routes.

AnAirOfHopeForSnow Wed 21-Nov-12 19:15:34

Happy Birthday Eva grin

AnAirOfHopeForSnow Wed 21-Nov-12 19:21:03

sad for Sky

SevenElvesAndAReindeer Wed 21-Nov-12 19:23:47

Hope sky is better soon DSM and it isn't pox.

Eva isn't officially 1 until 11.15 tonight. Hard to believe this time last year I wasn't even having contractions yet!

Xiaoxiong Wed 21-Nov-12 21:23:08

Oh noooo, the dreaded CP - get well soon Sky!

Thanks for good wishes for DS - the nanny has done her best, she loves him as if he was her own and was very upset this evening because if anything DS is worse - hasn't kept anything down all day except a little dioralyte. Projectile vomited over her and then again over DH an hour ago and is now asleep after nursing a very little bit.

He was so listless, pale and barely smiled when I got home sad My dad flies in tomorrow morning for Thanksgiving so I have asked him and my mother if they will come and hang out here all day when DH and I are at work to back the nanny up just in case.

I'm wondering if we should have him in with us tonight, just to be safe.

SevenElvesAndAReindeer Wed 21-Nov-12 21:38:56

xiao poor thing he sounds awful sad. I'd have him in with you if you're worried, if not you'll probably lay awake all night worrying anyway!

Aethelfleda Wed 21-Nov-12 21:43:19

Oh dear, mega biohazards!

Happy birthday Eva! <chequered flag for completing the first lap>

xiao, if you do take poor DS into bed tonight, the bitter voice of experience (we did this last week!) suggests you get the oldest bath sheet towels you have and line the bed with them (and another on the floor by the bed) so that if he's projectile puning you have a "safe" area and won't be washing vom out of the mattress at 2am. When he graduates to a big boy toddler bed, waterproof sheets come into their own, we have two sets per bed at our place!
Over the years I've spent quite a few nights sitting up with whichever spawn is poorly, it's a badge of parenthood i'm afraid!

In other news we seem to have a better offer....I think this might work...nervous as don't want to jinx it!!....

Xiaoxiong Wed 21-Nov-12 22:01:27

aethel I knew there would be a big payoff for all that cleaning and tidying you've been doing for viewings! Not at all crossing my fingers for you, oh no <avoids jinx>

Thank you for advice on towels in the bed - DS keeps cough-retching in his sleep, and I rush in to check whether he's been sick sad so I'm wondering if maybe I should just move his cot into our bedroom. It's a travel cot so when DH gets home from late tutoring we could probably move the whole thing without waking DS.

I wish I had an actual badge of parenthood. "I've had no sleep and yes that's vom in my hair. What's YOUR excuse?"

Xiaoxiong Wed 21-Nov-12 22:03:09

seven I am in bed already but cannot concentrate on anything but MN as I am listening so hard for any choking. I have no idea how I will get any sleep...and I have a mega client meeting tomorrow at 9am in the City. Arrgh!

Aethelfleda Wed 21-Nov-12 22:35:06

xiao, can you "split-shift" with DH? One of you snooze with DS and the other sleep until (say) 2am, then swap. Gets you 4 hours sleep each...

It's not a brilliant offer, if truth be told, it's still 5k under what we need to move (and probably 5-8k under the actual value) , but it's a buyer's market, we're sick of viewings, DH really wants us to get going, both of us want the house we've seen, and we think we can stretch to manage this. Had a cheeky small takeaway (diet!) to sort-of celebrate.

OiMissus Wed 21-Nov-12 22:49:08

Good luck with the poorly little ones! sad
Happy birthday Eva!
I hate the nappy battles figgy. But I don't get it. At almost 1 yr old, he must've had 1500 nappies changed. So why the fuss?!
We sometimes use pull ups. They've been fine. We've not had any accidents.
What would my parent badge of honour say...."I leave the house at 6:45 after getting me and my son ready, I work full time and get home at 18:00. You tell me when I have the time to iron/exercise/shave my legs /pluck my eyebrows/get a haircut/paint my nails ..."
Whinge whinge whinge.what nails?!

Aethelfleda Thu 22-Nov-12 08:09:02

<Opens the seal on the super-strength Hot lava Java coffee barrel>

i'm commissioning some rocket-up-the-bum Dec 2011 special blend cofffee for the thread, I think we may need it... (had a few wakeups last night but at least most of the bedding has survived!)

<offers mugs of coffee and extra-strong Yorkshire Tea around>

AnAirOfHopeForSnow Thu 22-Nov-12 08:11:16

Tired.com sad

mopsytop Thu 22-Nov-12 09:40:45

4 hours sleep last night but not minimopsy's fault. Stayed up trying to finish the chapter. Fingers crossed one more late night will do it. Really want to get it in before the weekend. This week in addition to writing half a chapter I have also made corrections to the article for publication, amended the rejected article and resubmitted to a different journal and done a hefty job application.I've been up really late though all week and beginning to flag. Just have to get this done then can relax as it's our annual weekend away to celebrate getting together (we celebrate this rather than our wedding anniversary, which is in July) as it's so nice to go away in November, when life is usually a bit grey and depressing. Can't wait, especially as I've worked so hard this week!!

Minim spent all of yesterday projectile vomiting - seems winter bugs are in full spate sad

mopsytop Thu 22-Nov-12 09:43:15

Sorry meant to say aethel, congrats on house, hope all goes smoothly now, DSM ugh chickenpox, Oi, hope France going well
& lots of cheese and wine-age happening, Xiao, hope baba feels better soon poor thing and that you're not too exhausted.

Xiaoxiong Thu 22-Nov-12 09:52:57

I feel oddly light and energized as a result of nearly no sleep last night, plus an extra early morning for early meeting in the City (which is now delayed because the client's flight was cancelled, c'est la vie).

Do any of you guys watch NCIS? I think some Caf-Pow would come in handy for this thread...

mopsy apologies if you have said this already, but what is your field of study? <nosy>

jigglebum Thu 22-Nov-12 10:19:42

Ill babies all round once again it seems. I think their first proper winter is always the worst (last winter I think they were more cocooned from the world around them). Freya has a viral rash and still a cough but otherwise ok. she was sent home yesterday from nursery though for 3 loose nappies. I thought she was having tummy troubles Tuesday night when she was awake for 4 hours in a row and vomited.

aethel - fingers crossed on the house offer.

mopsy - weekend away sounds lovely. Think we could do with one but a) we are broke b) Freya's sleep is even worse away than at home c) I have to do all the packing and organising and I am rather tired at the moment from aforementioned lack of sleep and d) DH and I just argue all the time at the moment .

D is probably the most important and sad. Not sure what to do about it. I feel I make all the effort to get on again after an argument but than if I say anything negative (eg I m tired) or get stressed (eg when freya is still up at 9pm and wont go to bed) he immediately jumps down my throat and has a go instead of being supportive. In his eyes I should love every moment of being at home with the kids as it is so much easier than work (apparently!) and his mum never complained (I am sure she did but he would be unaware of that as a child, though she is a bit of a martyr and always tries to pretend everything is fine, even if it isnt)

So massive argument on Monday night (worst yet I think), avoid each other Tuesday, Weds night I make effort to be nice, he responds, we have a fine evening, I get annoyed with Freya whinging at me at 830pm when I am trying to eat my dinner and she should be in bed and woah back to where we were again. I am not sure we can live with each other anymore but I don't have the guts or financial back up to separate and more importantly I have to put F and O first. He would just stay with the status quo and be miserable rather than separate.

LittleMissFlustered Thu 22-Nov-12 11:05:33

Relate? Seems he doesn't see there's a problem, and an impartial mediator can often make people see the side of an argument that they're avoidingsad

Figgygal Thu 22-Nov-12 13:22:02

Dh just called he is at his parents and his sisters 3yr old is there throwing up and has been ill all week absolutely spitting furious they have put her anywhere near figgyboy have ordered him home and will have to just look after him himself this afternoon. People!!!!!

Aethel Fingers crossed for house stuff.

Jiggle 2nd what LMF said. maybe try relate.

Figgy That is pants. Some people just don't have a clue do they! Hope Figgyboy doesn't catch it.

I'm feel low, rock bottom and struggling with everything sad DH just thinks I'm in A bad mood and I should snap out of it as he does try to help. He doesn't understand i do most of the parenting, I work and do all the running around, alongside bad knees, hips etc. all he does is get up, get himself sorted and go to work. once he's home he sorts himself out with a bath and will make dinner but doesn't really help out with the girls and tbh I'm exhausted - I can't do it all and his answer is well you have to as he can't as his job brings the most money in and if he didn't work then we couldn't pay the mortgage. sad sometimes feel like a single parent again. LMF you are one brilliant lady.

Figgygal Thu 22-Nov-12 17:58:07

Haddocks to ur dh DSM it seems we all have had a rough year and deserve a big old pat on the back

Aethelfleda Thu 22-Nov-12 18:55:12

<winds up the haddock-firing trebuchet for DSM>

I have done five loads of washing today (load six is going around as I type) as I can FINALLY get up to date without stressing about hiding the washing when we have viewings!! Fortunately the wind dried a lot of it and the rain is only coming in this evening.

Tonight's task is an ENORMOUS to-do list....

jigglebum Thu 22-Nov-12 20:14:51

dsm - ditto - I do all the parenting apart from some playing with the kids.I do all night and 6 out of 7 morning get ups. I also do all the house stuff, shopping, washing and 80% + of the cooking. I also have to organise everything - stuff for DS for school, Freya's birthday party, christmas etc with little/usually no input from DH and I work 2 days a week. The only time DH will step in with the kids is when I am at breaking point (ie after Freya has screamed on and off for an hour) and then it is not in a supportive way but in a critical "you are such a crap parent" kind of way.

The sad thing is that this is the antithesis of how I imagined my family life to be. I thought things would be shared more equally and discussed more.

I really don't think Relate would be a goer for us. DH struggles to communicate anything emotional and would refuse to go. he also does not recognise the need to go as, as far as he is concerned, I am just moaning and just a horrible person who needs to grow up and take my responsibilities as a mother seriously (his words)

Jiggle Thinking of you <sending stay strong hugs>

DH just told me to snap out of it sad normally he is supportive when my hips, knees & back are playing up but he just doesn't understand sad

Oh heavens, sorry for the crap news on family stuff. That's a horrible thing for him to say jiggle, untrue and it can't be doing your confidence any good. Sounds like you're worn down from the lack of support and him undermining you. What do you think would be best for the DCs, and for you?

And I hope your DH snaps out of it DSM.

How were the test results MissRee, how's your OH?

Work here crap- feeling very low and unappreciated, and so pissed off that yet again we're moving location which will mean a 2.5 hour commute in total as opposed to 1.5 hrs, and an extra £100 p/m in travel. Post re-organisation I'm giving it six months (whilst gently looking at jobs). At that point if nothing's come up I'll either really start looking or have another baby.
Think I'll have a good cry in bed and then look forward to the weekend.

Oh, and happy birthday for yesterday Eva smile

Aethelfleda Thu 22-Nov-12 22:41:42

<unloads the haddock rocket-launcher for jiggle>

Sorry to hear about the work stress northern, do what keeps you going in the short term and then run like the wind weigh up your longer term options.

Ran out of evening again (whoops), the top item on my to-do list is now Make A Proper To-Do list. Gotta get the baby/DD stuff ready for tomorrow's long work day and then it's bedtime.

mopsytop Fri 23-Nov-12 07:17:37

Oh dear DSM and jiggle, hope they mum up soon sad

Northern sorry to hear that. Maybe start looking straight away, who knows, a fabulous opportunity nearer home might be lurking around the corner...

Stayed up late again and got my final chapter finished and sent off! Will have to revise I'm sure but still, I've a draft of all my chapters now so I can begin to see the murky light at the end of the tunnel...

Jiggle How are things today?

I need to know find out how much Movicol I can give Sky to help her have a clear out? She has been going but only in little bits bless her. X

CheungFun Fri 23-Nov-12 13:48:14

Hi everyone,

DS seems to be in a grumpy mood today...I think he is just tired. He is having a little nap now, so I thought I would try to catch up on the thread!

I've just finished my last KIT days at work which I really enjoyed and DS had a lovely time at the CM's smile For once I felt NO GUILT smile Officially back to work at the end of January!

Northern I don't know how you are managing with your current commute, let alone adding another hour to it shock I would definitely have a look around at other jobs and see what your options are. Luckily it isnt't happening immediately so you have a bit of time to think.

Aethel You are a brave lady making a to do list and putting it in writing I am too scared to write one

Figgy that is a bit off! Fingers crossed Figgyboy stays nice and healthy!

I hope certain husbands buck their ideas up soon! This has been a bloody tough year, so lets hope we can all finish it on a high!

Oi belated congratulations!

SevenElvesAndAReindeer Fri 23-Nov-12 17:36:58

Massive hugs to all of those suffering from work and husband related stress, flowers brew and biscuit to those who require them.

We went bed and sofa shopping today. Our new bed is this one and we've chosen this sofa. I know we've spent quite a bit but this is probably the only time we'll be in the position to buy them without needing credit, our existing sofa is my parents 15yo one, and we're on our 3rd bed in 8 years as we can only normally afford really cheap ones! It's all we're buying from the flat sale, the rest will go on home improvements. The only trouble now is going from a double to king size bed we need all new bed linen within 2-4 weeks. Can anyone recommend anywhere that does good but not stupidly expensive sheets?

In other news Eva finally has her first tooth, I'm massive showing already, and feeling the baby move, I'm only 13 weeks!

CheungFun Fri 23-Nov-12 18:24:22

Seven the bed and sofa look lovely, and you don't need to justify buying them missus wink We got rid of lots of grim furniture when we moved a year ago as we had everything second hand and none of it matched, it's lovely picking something new for yourself! We got our sheets and pillowcases from M&S, they seemed to have a wide range of prices, and the duvet cover and pillowcase set from Next as we love their home ranges.

Eek, that must be but exciting to feel the baby moving already! I definitely want another, but I'm scared I won't be able to cope so we are going to see how things are next year. At least you've got all the equipment and clothes already smile

I like the idea of having a list to make a to-do list aethel! Mine is next to me now, couldn't function without it. Will see how much we can cross off over the weekend smile Does it appear to be all systems go on the house hopefully not jinxing you?

So glad you had no guilt Cheung; I know we can't help it, but it does no-one any good. DS is still waking at 5.25 am, but then fell asleep whilst being changed at home this morning shock at half 8, and then fell asleep in the pram when DP collected me at 5.45 pm! Just bloody sleep later child, and nap a bit more whilst you're at it!

I agree, go for it and enjoy it seven; it's a lovely treat when you finally get a bit of furniture you want. BHS is rather naff I know, but I've got my last loads of bedding from there and it's really reasonable. Yay on the baby too!

One option we're looking at is actually moving closer to my work. We were thinking that next year we'd either move or get the garden here done (it's a totally paved death trap, with borders), just so we have somewhere for DS to play, so we could kill two birds with one stone and just move towns. Thankfully it wouldn't be a massive commute for DP, as the journey's quite quick by car.
Watch this space...

SevenElvesAndAReindeer Fri 23-Nov-12 20:15:21

Thanks cheung and northern.

I tried my own sofa link and I just got the home screen of the mobile site. If anyone else only MNs from their phone its the Langley sofa.

I dread to think how long my to-do list would be, I daren't write one!

jigglebum Fri 23-Nov-12 20:32:26

Evening - thanks for your thoughts ladies. Have a full on work day on Fridays, then home to do tea and baths, spend 40 mins getting freya to go to sleep, Dh put DS to bed and then retired to bed himself so no progress here today!

I am ok. I am quite strong willed and confident that I am not a crap parent (though I do have my moments I know) and I have very supportive friends. I think it is best for the DCs if we stay together and from a practical and financial point of view it is better for me too. but from an emotional/love point of view I do have to think is this as good as it gets? And that is sad.

Ohh - love new furniture! And new bed linen etc - have fun chosing seven and exciting about the movements .

northern what a bugger about work - I would really struggle with that. Good luck looking for something else/moving ideas.

mopsy well done on finishing the chapter - I admire your will power.

aethel - my to do list is just getting longer and the motivation lower!

KateM77 Fri 23-Nov-12 20:46:58

Have had a busy couple of weeks, combined with me and the DC's all being ill, so I've lurking but not managing to post.

Ooh, it's all excitement chez Seven grin Belated happy birthday to Eva btw

Northern an alternative plan could be to get yourself pg ASAP, go off on maternity leave as soon as is allowable, then use your mat leave to interview for new jobs wink

Congrats to aethel on the house offer. I hope it all works out for you. I imagine the relief at not having to constantly tidy is huge.

<haddocks> to those who need them, and I hope poorly babes are now on the mend.

I took the DC's for their first ever visit to Father Christmas today. Poor DD was terrified, but DS just gave Santa his big beaming smile. Despite DD's fear, we had a nice afternoon out at the Milton Keynes Christmas display, then came home and I snuggled up with DD watching The Snowman whilst DS had a nap. Perfect smile

kate I was in mk on Tuesday. Seb was mesmerised by the lights and the magic frog ponds.

Also lurking, the house move continues (we own too much stuff), and assuming the preemployment checks go ok I will shortly be a postman. I'm gonna be soooo skinny...

We have loads of Christmas traditions will get the laptop out over the weekend...

We have two more teeth, both on the bottom left, one quite far back. A molar? No wonder he's been a grumpy bigger...

Bugger even!

KateM77 Fri 23-Nov-12 21:26:46

It's all go for you Kat isn't it? Congrats on the job, hope the move continues smoothly. I think the display this year is the best it's been for ages (although nothing will top the wind in the willows one they did when I was a kid!). We had a go on the little train too, but are saving the carousel for another day. It's all so lovely and sparkly, I'm now feeling very festive

Aethelfleda Fri 23-Nov-12 21:34:11

Ooh kat, didn't know you were moving, how far along the process are you?

Sorry you've all been poorly Kate, welcome back!

Hey northern, come over to the dark side, I'm told it's nice living near the M4....

seven is there a TK maxx or a Wilkinsons near you? wilcos is good for basics and you can get vairy nice cut-price duvet sets at TK for posh.

Quiet weekend planned for us. That to-do list isn't finished yet!!

<Rummages for decaf and some festive Snowman Mr Kipling Fondant Fancies...>

Aethel our move does not include purchasing, when we moved back down here we had tenants so rented a house. Tenants have moved out 6 months earlier than expected. Which is a bummer (£650pm rent on top of our mortgage without our rental income!). But our landlord is fine about, it is back on the market to let, we've moved out and will continue to pay rent until new tenants found or our tenancy ends (April!!)

It has meant we've been able to paint our house (originally was DH's doer upper which we never managed to sell) and clean etc before we moved in. We have still managed to have a plasterer here today, as the skylight on the top landing was leaking so my lovely Mum has lent us the money to get it replaced before the bad weather REALLY sets in. They literally fitted it yesterday about 3 hours before the rain/gale force winds hit us again.

There are probably still 2 or 3 car loads of stuff at teh rented house, but we've had the luxury of moving stuff over and unpacking it as we go rather than the usual mayhem of shuffling boxes for weeks.

seven our "nice" bedding is from habitat and/or Debenhams. Dunelm Mill do decent enough sets reasonably cheap, or BHS.

Figgygal Fri 23-Nov-12 22:22:22

Quite jealous of you seven I've caught the bug and quite jealous of your new bumpiness dh will not consider a 2nd dc and to be honest even tho we earn good money and have a 3bedroom home I don't think we can afford/have space for another also not sure an willing to make the enhanced sacrifice that a 2nd child would inevitably dictate.

Good points to day dh came to watch DS swimming today and when DS noticed he was there he kept shouting dada, he also keeps letting go of whatever he's holding and pitting his arms up with a big smile as he's do impressed with himself that he can stand by himself grin

Bad point - sciatica is back very back sad

Hah, a second vote for BHS, I'm not too fuddy-duddy!

Kat, I would dread to think what it might be like if we move, DP is such a hoarder of total and utter shite. I think it would be nervous breakdown territory!

I would love to come over to the dark side aethel, 'cept that part of the need to move would be for me to walk/get public transport to work, so it would probably take me about 1.5 days to arrive wink.
I have been looking at houses... I found one that I luuuurved, some acceptable, all would need a bit more on the mortgage but we could afford it.

Hope you get some rest mopsy, can't wait for you to be DrMopsy!

Hell of a night here with Sky, so tired plus my back & hips hurt badly sad She just wanted to cuddle upto mummy which is fine when back hasn't gone.

Aethelfleda Sat 24-Nov-12 07:54:35

We had a clingy repeatedly waking beeb last night (Gold star for DH for getting up when I didn't always wake up first) , nothing wrong, he just wanted hugs and to suck our fingers. I wish he'd suck his own blooming fingers!!! <tries not to contemplate future orthodontic bills>

DSM have you tried using a TENS machine before? They can be v helpful for recurrent back/hip pain and are non chemical...

Have written most of the to-do list. She is Vairy Vairy long.
I want to hide under the duvet and ignore it, but we're out of milk so instead I shall pootle to the Co-Op.

<puts on the coffee urn>

AnAirOfHopeForSnow Sat 24-Nov-12 08:11:35

Cake Baking day!

LittleMissFlustered Sat 24-Nov-12 08:15:06

<flies past dropping caffeine bombs>

<Grabs a huuuuge mug of caffiene>

Aethel No never tried a tens machine. Never used one in labour either. Will have to have a look around.

Need to find out how much Movicol I can give Sky to clear her out!

Feel so low just broke down in tears this morning sad

SevenElvesAndAReindeer Sat 24-Nov-12 09:02:55

<brings tray loaded with croissants and pain au chocolat>

((Hug)) for DSM.

Seven Thanks smile

<grabs a couple of croissants and refill of caffeine>

Aethelfleda Sat 24-Nov-12 11:01:37

dsm I've PM'd you. There are two types of tens machines, you need the one that's not for pregnancy: apparently they have different frequencies or something? They vibrate in a certain way that numbs the back pain nerves from little adhesive pads you stick on your back. My mum used to use one for her back pain years ago.

<grabs a croissant>

Aethel Thanks. I'll have a good look into them and see whats out there and the ££££

Figgygal Sat 24-Nov-12 13:30:52

Am taking figgyboy to a 1st bday party at 2 already there but sat in the car can't believe got parked straight into a space as had had a text to say it was car park carnage as its at the local soft play next to the shopping centre of our town. he's asleep thankfully had been up since 8.30 and desperately needed a nap I took some irn bru and a book in case we got this lucky!! it's utterly chucking it down!!

Hope Figgyboy has a fab time.

DH has really been good today. opened up about how I was feeling and be has taken it all on board and done everything today smile

AnAirOfHopeForSnow Sat 24-Nov-12 14:13:56

I hate my husband and im going to leave.

Air What's happened? Hope your ok x

Aethelfleda Sat 24-Nov-12 14:34:28

air, dude, you alright over there??

<lobs a Kleenex just in case>

AnAirOfHopeForSnow Sat 24-Nov-12 16:20:03

We had a row - we never row. Im so upset.

I may be over reacting as anti depressents are not working yet.

Right Hope birthday none of my family can get my mum is ill, no Aunties or Uncles are going so its just us and my inlaws going for a meal. Im fine with that but i wanted to make the cake as i want it egg free so she can eat it.

I have spent the morning trying to get the cake right. I finanle get it right and my horrible husband said " Well never mind i have already ask my mum to make the cake and if you take ours you will upset her now"

He didnt think i could do it so asked his fucking mum before i even tried. I have been storing the suger firies and all the crap all week because he wouldnt let me buy a cake for £40 and then he asked his mum because it will save money and its her first gdaughter.

I feel unsupported and just rage. He know what i was doing all week and so did his mum and no one said anything to me angry

So his mum has made the cake, will pay for the meal, Her friend may also come for meal and they will buy the bigger gift and i just get sidelined again.

AnAirOfHopeForSnow Sat 24-Nov-12 16:57:56

I feel sick f the side effects of the tablets and my moods are all over the place and i know its just a cake she will not rember but im just angry.

I know im a bit obsested and its just a cake. My Mil will do the cake and i can decorate it. It will be fine. I still want to cry.

I want to cry because im ill from thinking im fine and stopping taking the tablets and then not being and taking them again and now i feel worse.

AnAirOfHopeForSnow Sat 24-Nov-12 17:00:31

Im angry im ill
Im amgry i have to control and sort everything.

That hh does nothing.

Oh Air. I have nothing constructive to say, but here have a chocolate biscuit <digs out chocolate fingers and jaffa cakes purchased as Christmas Presents>

Figgygal Sat 24-Nov-12 17:28:49

Sorry to hear u having a shit day Air ice the hell out of that cake grin

Figgyboy has taken his first steps today when we got back from the party aaaahhhhh!!!! Not gonna tell dh as he missed them

Air What would make you happy right now. You need to think about yourself & the DC right now x

Yay for Figgyboy grin

MerryChristMoose Sat 24-Nov-12 17:53:09

Mind if I join you? DS, Harrison, will be 1 on 27th December. We moved to Canada from UK in May 2011.

H is coming off the end of wonder week 46 - clingy, cranky and crying. He's not walking independently yet but does pull himself up and stand for ages by himself. He can also climb stairs at lightening speed.

Still no teeth though sad but this does have advantages when you're still Breastfeeding.

<waves>

AnAirOfHopeForSnow Sat 24-Nov-12 18:11:15

Hello MerryChristMoose <waves>

To make me happy to have a nice girly birthday cake for Hope and have a nice family meal out grin

MerryChristMoose Sat 24-Nov-12 18:16:43

Thanks Air I hope your wish is granted.

Helloooo Merry welcome to the madhouse grin

Sympathies Air, not sure I have any advice for you other than deep breaths and saying it tastes funny

DP's appointment went OK. They sort of ruled out bone marrow issues, apart from saying that they will be sending his MRI results and bloods to another specialist who will be in touch IF they think there's something important going on. Otherwise he has 3 dehydrated discs which are causing him the pain. No remedy other than not to lift anything hmm and lose weight!

Just figured out why Freya has been a grumpy bum - top tooth is through! She is now very confidently pulling herself up on everything and standing independently for up to 30 seconds at a time. I think we will have a toddler come Christmas shock We also have "ellloooooo" when she wants attention and proper bye bye waving!

I have spent FAR too much money on Amazon's Black Friday deals this week. some most of them are Xmas pressies though grin

Welcome MerryChristMoose to the madhouse that is Dec 2011 grin

Air I hope you get your wish.

Feeling like pants and I really hope Sky sleeps better tonight.

AnAirOfHopeForSnow Sat 24-Nov-12 18:56:25

I got myself some Rocket dog boots for £25 off amazon for xmas i just hope they fit!

AnAirOfHopeForSnow Sat 24-Nov-12 18:58:57

And a playmobile advant calander - i blamed LMF blush

Aethelfleda Sat 24-Nov-12 19:18:51

Baby steps air, hope you feel better soon and <haddocks> to thoughtless relatives!

Hi, moose! Which part of Canada? (we have relatives in London, Ontario)

Aaand relax, it's Saturday night... <digs around for a packet of chocolate HobNobs and offers them about>

AnAirOfHopeForSnow Sat 24-Nov-12 19:48:47

Offers egg free cake round wink

MerryChristMoose Sat 24-Nov-12 20:38:11

Fort McMurray, Northern Alberta. It was -21 yesterday, -31 with the wind chill!

MerryChristMoose Sat 24-Nov-12 20:42:57

London, Ont is about a day and a half's drive from here!

That's a loooooooong way grin

Feels like my commute into London is that long sometimes even if it is only 20ish miles grin

That's a wee bit on the nipple side too shock brrrrrrrr wrap up warm!

Muffinpig Sun 25-Nov-12 07:39:06

grin at nipple side!

Welcome Merry or Moose?! Do you have more or less constant snow on the ground in that temperature?

MissRee so glad that they don't think its anything sinister, have been thinking of you this week.

Air the cake thing would upset me too. ((Hugs))

DSM have you got Sky to take the dairy-free formula yet?

DD is walking really fast with the walker! And she can just about walk holding onto one of my hands. She has this cute but annoying habit of crawling over to the step down onto our slate kitchen floor (ie really hard and unforgiving if she were to fall over on it) then stand up and try and walk down the step. Argh! Have to leave the stairgate up all the time just for that one step! So lovely to see her nearly walking though, especially as DS didn't walk until he was 2.

Muffinpig Sun 25-Nov-12 07:47:42

We went to meet a family yesterday whose 11yo old son has CP and it was really reassuring to see how he lead a full life and didn't let it define him. He was never bullied or anything either, which is one of my worries for DS. I think a lot depends on the school though. And the boy was really matter of fact about it. DS enjoyed comparing splints with him smile

DD still sleeping well at the moment, hurrah! But I wake up at 4am like clockwork every morning and yesterday didn't get back to sleep, and it took me until 5.30am today. I have a lot of worries on my mind at the moment and they just seem to catch up with me at 4am sad

Didn't help this morning that I realised at 4am I'd left the heating on all night so had to go and turn it off then was paranoid DD would be too hot so went to fret over her before going back to bed! Of course DH just snores peacefully throughout hmm

Muffin 2 days of put dairy-free milk now
smile so hopefully we will see some change soon.

Hope you manage to sleep past 4am soon x

Aethelfleda Sun 25-Nov-12 10:16:22

Groan- I slept in. Nice of DH to let me sleep
But there's a squilion things to do and I feel all jetlagged...

<fumbles for the biggest mug of tea in the house>

Good thing about the CP visit muffin but hope yoi get to avoid early wakeups: they're extremely common when you have stress. Do try to keep an eye on your mood level too hon and male sure you talk to someone if it's making you depressed xx

DSM brownie point for getting Sky to take the dairyfree formula, that stuff smells vile!!!

Aethel hope you feel refreshed after your lay-in?

Muffin It's sounds like you had a lovely afternoon yesterday smile

It's taken me a few days to get her onto full dairy-free as was mixing it with her other formula due the fact it smelt and prob tasted vile. She is now used to it smile

Any other chilaxing day Chez DSM today. Have a good Sunday all x

Darcie's letter from Santa been sorted. She loved getting it through the post last year smile

How's it going with the list aethel?

Hello and welcome to MerryChristmasMoose, and great to add an extra international dimension to the group of crazies thread! It'll be great hearing about the different approaches to stuff in Canada.

So glad to hear about your OH MissRee, that's a relief, although it's total pain when they can't locate what the actual problem is...

Really good weekend here: Xmas shopping officially completed, bar one present I'm going to buy when on my December trip to York, and about 3/4 of DP's present... I've got him a wrap up, but he likes to select his pressie and he hasn't told me what he wants yet. But other than that, we're done smile
Have also washed seemingly every item of clothing we own plus the bedding from all three beds, got it dried and away.

I'm doing pizza tonight- have made up a big vat of homemade sauce, and went to make the dough to find one of the bloody - unopened, I should add!- bags of flour had gone mouldy!! Bob knows what it'll turn out like, but it may end up being a kind of crisp bread....

DS has been lovely this weekend, all full of belly laughs. We've got his birthday present too, a kind of caterpillar marble and car run from ELC. I may also have spent £8 on a fat, material robin for the tree, but I had to have my one moment of stupidity grin!

OiMissus Sun 25-Nov-12 20:55:18

Hey up ladies, and Willkommen to moose! I'm currently in Germany.
I got home from France on Friday night after he had gone to bed.sad I had A Saturday full of tight squeezes and clingy cuddles grin, but have abandoned him again thus morning to get here.
Thankfully it's just for one night.
Can I offer around some choccies? I have a great selection. I got 4 boxes for my birthday, and the frenchies gave us all special fancy boxes last week. Please eat them!
I ate so much last week. It was marvellous. Cheese cheese and more cheese. On the Thursday night my stomach was soooo big, and hard - it stuck out like a step under my bra, it looked and felt like I was 7 months pregnant again. Not good. (Great if I was pg, but otherwise not good!)
Congratulations to figgyboy on his first steps!
And to you missree for getting the almost all clear for your DH.
BOi is great at going upstairs , muffin, but can't seem to accept the idea of climbing down backwards. He climbs down backwards off the bed and the sofa, he's just about got that now, but he wants to go downstairs face-first. This is another thing that falls into the "not good" category!
Otherwise he's doing very well at walking. He still half walks/ half crawls everywhere, but he may be fully upright by his birthday (10th).
I called home earlier and got a "Hiya!", he doesn't always do it to order, so I am blessed!
He's had a horrid cough for the last 10 days, poor chap.sad
I've missed the thread for the last week, so I apologise if I've missed anything that should be noted/name checked.
- I know what I wanted to ask - where would you recommend I should start to find a part-time nanny? Do you know any reliable/credible sources?
(I hope you're munching away through those chocolates! If not, I'll have to take them into the office).

MerryChristMoose Sun 25-Nov-12 21:44:31

We've had snow of varying depth since mid October. The roads are ploughed and sanded (too cold for salt), so everything goes crappy and then freezes solid. It will be like this until March/April.

Despite two nights of crying and fist in mouth, Harrison still has no teeth. He's trying to master climbing down stairs, which I'm finding terrifying. His "no" is now much more determined and comes complete with a shake if the head. He's also pointing to things he wants, which are usually electronic and expensive.

AnAirOfHopeForSnow Sun 25-Nov-12 21:45:47

Hope is one tomoro. I final finished her cake its on my profile. Gifts wraps cards done and meal booked. Just getting Airs school clothes ready for tomoro and i can go to bed.

OiMissus Sun 25-Nov-12 21:50:46

Btw I'm in Germany because I'm making a video of our facility here. The crew I've hired are from Denmark. At dinner this evening, they were talking about some of the stuff they've done, and apparently Cliff Richard is a really nice guy (and has a blue tennis court at home, so it looks like a pool from an aeroplane wink) But the assassin in Mexico was pure evol. (Yikes!)

OiMissus Sun 25-Nov-12 21:54:41

I get much pointing and grunting. But he doesn't say "no" yet. He is very good at ignoring "no!" too. sad
However, if you say it quite often, it seems to invoke a mini-tantrum. BOi likes his own way. BOi better start liking my way!
I like his way best. He's bigger than me blush

LittleMissFlustered Sun 25-Nov-12 23:06:32

Sorry I'm being a bit weird still.

Today I failed to go my hair rightgrin

<waves to Moose> Any decent college/school hockey near you?

Happy birthday to Hope for tomorrow, her cake looks very pretty .Air

MerryChristMoose Mon 26-Nov-12 02:45:25

Hello LittleMissFlustered we have a junior hockey league team in town, the Oil Barons. They're very well supported. They have a lottery every year to win a dream home worth about $1.5 million. It's always a sell out.

There have been a few things about raising babies here that have surprised me aside from the basics like diapers and pacifiers. Midwives are very rare. I didn't meet my OB until I was 36 weeks. We have one hospital for 130,000 people. There are 3 OBs and around 200 babies born every month. If you're earlier than 37 weeks you get flown to Edmonton which is 500km away. Theyre a bit c-section happy here. There's a 1 in 13 chance of having one.

I'm just finding out that the words and tunes of nursery rhymes are not the same. The bus goes all through the town, not all day long. It's Itsy Bitsy spider rather than Incy Wincy. I tend to stay quiet for the first verse and then join in when I'm a bit more sure of the words and tune!

Good job with the cake Air. May you and Hope have a lovely day.

Happy Birthday to Hope smile

Your cake looks fantastic Air I'm not quite skilled enough for that!

Oi Hope your trip to Germany isn't to bad.

Back to nursery for Sky today. Although I personally would love to stay wrapped up in my duvet when I see the shitty horrible weather.

Muffinpig Mon 26-Nov-12 07:19:26

DD has a bit of a temp (38) but no other symptoms. She's meant to be doing her first full day at CM today, I guess I have to cancel don't I? Seems a bit hot just for teething. She slept just in pyjamas and gave her calpol but that hasn't brought the temp down much.

Happy Birthday Hope!

Figgygal Mon 26-Nov-12 07:24:26

Happy birthday hope well done on the cake!!

DS loves the stairs he shoots up them but now wants to bump down them holding your hands he crawls over to top of stairs, sits on his bum and puts his hands up for u to hold them while he bumps down which is all very cute until he goes without me one day and does himself an injury sad our stair gate won't go on the banister at top so it's across his room door instead may have to reconsider that when he's older!!

DS babbles all the time but doesn't really say words except ta and dada still, je hates no especially when turning the tv off or slapping the fish tank he throws huge tantrums which usually involve him smacking his face off the wooden floor either intentionally or unintentionally dread the terrible twos!!!

Right hair still wet must get ready for work!!

LittleMissFlustered Mon 26-Nov-12 08:28:08

Plague house here. Squidge has had spiking temp all night to go with her aching joints and tiredness. I'm not saying flu, but if she were a man she would >_< Boo's temp is skating at just under 38° and he has a headache. Octoboy just spewed down my arm.

Monday can jog on! <puts the kettle on>

CheungFun Mon 26-Nov-12 11:02:05

Morning everyone & welcome MerryChristMoose smile

Air the cake looks amazing! Hope things are a bit easier at home now?

I had a bit of a meltdown yesterday when DS lobbed his food across the kitchen floor for the millionth time sad Luckily DH was there and took DS so I could get the cleaning up done and de-stress! Feeling more calm this morning!

LittleMissFlustered Mon 26-Nov-12 12:05:48

I am making comfort food. Sugared gammon. Booya!

Happy Birthday Hope!

I saw every hour tick by last night... until I got up at 5.30am to get ready for work. Walking dead. Thanks Freya!

Afternoon all <Can't be bothered to work out the time difference but assuming it is actually morning for MerryChristMoose>

It is official. I don't like being an adult. I knew there was a reason why I put off having kids till my mid 30's. It is hard enough making a desicion about anything for me (I tend to just let whatever happen IYSWIM).

But I have to be pro-active and actually visit lots of child care providers don't I? I shouldn't just go with the first one that can do the hours I need?

Kick up the arse needed please!!!! This is my PFB after all wink

BeeMyBaby Mon 26-Nov-12 14:48:03

Happy Birthday Hope!

Oh yes, Happy Birthday Hope.

I now have great visions of an amazing pirate cake for Seb's birthday. No doubt it will end up just being a round cake decorated with chocolate buttons....

Turns out I didn't need that kick. I registered on childcare.co.uk and 7 CM have contacted me already. I have visits lined up with 3 of them already. One of them is literally a 10 minute walk from home. Please let her be lovely.....

MerryChristMoose Mon 26-Nov-12 15:06:34

Thanks thecat we're seven hours behind, so yes, it's breakfast time. Not that Harrison ate much this morning.

I hope your local childminder is exactly what you're looking for smile

Off to a Breastfeeding support group this morning. Its nice to get out of the house.

SevenElvesAndAReindeer Mon 26-Nov-12 15:35:27

Hi merry.

LMF hope everyone is ok and your day improved smile

air happy birthday to Hope! I'd have been furious about the cake too.

muffin DS didnt walk until he was 2 either. Glad to hear meeting the other boy with CP went well, I confess our fears about bullying were what initially drew us towards Home Ed.

DD done 16 steps yesterday, her most ever. She was in the front room with DH, and walked towards the window when she saw me hanging the washing out. She says bye bye, bottle, baby and juice. She also shakes her head when we say no.

Thanks for the sheet recommendations, I got carried away and spent £100 in John Lewis blush.

mopsytop Mon 26-Nov-12 15:45:01

Hi all! We had a lovely, relaxing Internet-free weekend away, in spite of us both catching minimopsy's bug. Our lovely planned meals didn't happen nor did the copious wine I'd imagined but never mind, we still had a fab time! Will try catch up on thread later, back in work-work-work-must-finish-thesis mode!

OiMissus Mon 26-Nov-12 17:05:36

lmf how's the hair? Has fb got a pic yet? Hope it's ok. smile
Happy birthday Hope! Your cake was fab air, well done!
figgy I also have a head-banger. BOi likes to sit against the patio door, lean forward, then bang his head back against the glass, gradually hitting harder and harder... Testing his skull thickness I presume. I'm sticking my head in the sand and denying that I've probably got a meathead, future rugby player, and will continue to believe that he shall be a brilliant scientist or some such intelligent super hero who will save the world person.
kat I registered with childcare.co.uk, I'll have to check my profile settings/ be more flexible with my requirements, because no one has contacted me.
Germany was ok. I am convinced that half of the team here don't like me. I'm too straightforward/honest (customer-oriented) and I upset their sensitive engineering male (technology-oriented) brains.
I'm not great at politics and saying the right thing. I'm not as diplomatic as I should be. But then, I haven't got the time to play games and pussyfoot about either. These boys need to mum up!