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April 2011: losing sleep and gaining shoes, toddlers share with us their news

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ecuse Mon 01-Oct-12 17:34:02

I have taken the liberty of starting a new thread.

Pile in!

brew wine biscuit etc

ecuse Mon 01-Oct-12 17:34:16

Hat tip to Frak for the thread title of course!

Kittycatcat Mon 01-Oct-12 17:51:30

Thanks frak and ecuse

How is everyone. S tripped and fell head first into
A plug socket Saturday. Took him to a and e where his head was glue and stuck down with sterile strips. He's none the worst for it but it made me wobble.
Dh back to work today. Not been too bad. A mate popped in to help with s at lunch and nap time but I had to get s up and do dinner. They told me not to lift him for 10 weeks which just isn't possible.
Got a date for a's tongue tie referral. 12th nov. 6 weeks away!

Starshaped Mon 01-Oct-12 17:52:12

brew, biscuit and bear in hand.

I'm here! Thanks Ecuse smile

Starshaped Mon 01-Oct-12 17:54:07

Cross posts kitty. Poor S - and just what you didn't need at the moment. Good news that he's ok and that there's no long term damage.

Hurray for getting the first solo day with two out the way. Glad everything went well smile

chillikat Mon 01-Oct-12 19:44:54

Well done ecuse, I kept thinking about creating it but never quite got round to it.

Kitty I'm glad S is ok, and well done on your first solo day.

Not too much going on here other than early (far too early) starts. I think today was not long after 5. We did try to resettle her but she wasn't having it. If anyone has any tips I'd be very pleased to hear them.

Kittycatcat Mon 01-Oct-12 20:05:53

chilli how many naps a day dies she have? S' sleeps in longer now he only has one a day even tho it's generally a longer one.

Starshaped Mon 01-Oct-12 20:15:56

We are having the same problem chilli. We were also up at 5am this morning <yawn> and we've been up before 6am loads this week. No chance of resettling here either - she's bounding with energy when she wakes and likes nothing more than bouncing on our heads if we try to resettle her in our bed.

DD only has one nap and the length of time she sleeps for makes no difference to what time she wakes in the morning. She has gone through a phase of early waking before and it just disappeared on its own. I am hoping that this one goes the same way...

MrsWajs Mon 01-Oct-12 21:16:20

Ooh shiny new thread smile

I'll join you star & chilli in early mornings. The worst was a 5am start last week and I had to go to work at 1 til 9!

Aside from early mornings we had further drama last week when DSS was rushed to hospital with suspected appendicitis. Fortunately it turned out to be tonsilitis and the tummy pain was caused by something called mesenteric adenitis which is basically the glands in his tummy swelling up as a result of the infection! I'd never heard of it before.

This weekend R chipped one of her front teeth and now resembles the little tea cup from beauty & the beast sad

Ooh and in other news, I am currently on my last week of contraception and DP and I plan to start TTC no.2 after the new year!! I'm so excited but also a bit apprehensive as I am due to start weaning my ADs in 2 weeks time so hope it all goes well and I can stay off them!

Sorry a very me me me post, hope everyone is well.

chillikat Mon 01-Oct-12 22:18:59

She only has one nap at lunchtime and it makes no difference to the early start. I think she even skipped a nap last week went to bed at usual time and still woke early the next day sad I'm hoping she decides to have a lie-in soon - 7am would be good at the moment! I did notice a new molar today - maybe that's related? hmm

chillikat Mon 01-Oct-12 22:19:59

And to keep with the thread title - I got her a lovely pair of purple boots at Sainsburys over the weekend smile (mummy wants some too)

Frakiosaurus Mon 01-Oct-12 22:39:39

We have new shoes here too. Clarks boots and trainer type things. I love that there's no VAT on kiddy shoes in the UK. I also have lots of Cadbury's. yum.

MrsW exciting about %232. We're currently trying but will stop in Dec if no luck until April to avoid potential problems with schooling.

kitty well done flying solo. sad for poor S's head though.

Re: early waking no thoughts but we have had a couple of nights of 4 hours awake and a bit of sleep either side. <yawn>

Advice needed on DH pls! When I left for the weekend the house was messy but clean, save a bowl in the sink which I warmed him about. I know for a fact he was in all Thursday evening because we were IMing on Skype. He had to do a 10 min turnaround Friday night. I arrived home, at 10.30 after 12 hours travelling, to find the house in a worse state than I left it, an open packet of Boursin on the coffee table in the lounge with associated smell, both bins full with smell, a half full bottle of milk on the kitchen table plus a dirty cereal bowl smeared with yoghurt etc all with smell plus none of the stuff I left for his meals eaten but 2 empty pizza boxes (am fuming because we're trying to save!). Having tidied and put 3 bin bags outside I also discover he's left a chair and cushion out in torrential rain for 3 days. Plus laundry is strewn all over the bathroom. Why does he still believe in the tidying fairy? How can I teach him to pick up after himself?!

I got quite upset down the phone and he apologised as he always does but that's not what I want sad

I was supposed to be having a new friend over for coffee tomorrow morning but I had to cancel (at 10pm!). I said we were too late home so M would be tired but truthfully I'm deeply ashamed of the state of the house.

Kittycatcat Mon 01-Oct-12 22:45:50

Oh mrsw scary. And poor R. And excited for you grin.

Kittycatcat Mon 01-Oct-12 22:51:23

frak I would fume also. I'm not great with advice but not sure what more you can do than talk to him. Hit him with the soggy cushion?

JKSLtd Tue 02-Oct-12 15:01:13

Liking Kitty's suggestion smile

But seriously I don't know. Explain over and over and hope something goes through?

Daisy17 Tue 02-Oct-12 15:51:30

Another early waker here! So relentless..... Nothing makes any difference, from what we can work out! We've lately been managing to get him to snuggle in bed with us till we get up for work at 645, but it has varied success and we often get hit in the face by flailing limbs....he didn't wake up till 7 the other day, utter bliss but sadly a fluke!

ILikeToMoveItMoveIt Tue 02-Oct-12 18:46:39

Thanks for the new thread smile

I have to make a point of telling dh my expectations regarding housework if I'm not around. Left to his own devices he won't do much, but tell him or leave him a list and he'll do it. It bugs me because I think he should be able to see the mess under his nose, but it works for both of us.

In your situation I would have left the mess then when he got home I would have told him it was unacceptable and to clear it up. We have had many a face off in this house - usually over toilet roll tubes left in the bathroom (just put them in the fucking recycling)

If we have a big job that needs tackling (we're both untidy which isn't great), I make sure we do it together. Or I do some then i make him finish it off (with lots of badgering hmm )

Gotta go a nd put ds3 to bed, will be back ....

Starshaped Tue 02-Oct-12 19:16:43

A 'lie in' here this morning - 6.15am hmm. Still, a trillion times more palatable than 5am!

Poor R MrsW. I know it's no consolation but at least it's only a milk tooth and it will fall out eventually. I must admit that I did have to google the tea cup from Beauty and the Beast though - it made me chuckle!

Frak I'd be fuming too. DH isn't too bad round the house (largely thanks to my nagging) but left to his own devices he too would probably let the place go to pot. I'd be pretty pissed off in your situation though - he only had himself to look after, so could have at least kept the place ship shape. Hope you've managed to sort it (and him!) out.

ILikeToMoveItMoveIt Tue 02-Oct-12 19:38:51

What Star said about the tooth MrsW.

How's it going flying solo Kitty ? When you get S in and out of the cot can you put a chair right beside the cot so S can climb on it then you pick him up from it and into the cot, then in reverse when he gets out? It may be a little easier picking him up from a height rather than the floor?

I am on the decluttering your house for Christmas thread. I am like a woman possessed! I have blitzed the living room and cleared out so much crap. Loads went in the bin, some in the recyling and some to charity. I've only done one room and can't believe the amount I have cleared. I should imagine that if we hired a skip I could fill it by the time I had blitzed the whole house blush

Kittycatcat Tue 02-Oct-12 22:21:38

His cot doesn't have drop sides so its too high for him to climb sad. A has been a pickle this Afternoon. Just wanted to feed. Expecting a poosplosion. Eugh. Had my mum and step dad today so not really solo yet. S is still stropping at everything. He's still great with a and we think his mood is coincidence and that as he develops he's getting frustrated re communication. He's turning mummy mummy again too which is hard when I'm limited!

Kittycatcat Wed 03-Oct-12 08:42:02

Eugh. S was sick in the night. I'm blaming my dsd for giving him saveloys of all things! And a has a yukky eye. He's had it since birth on and off. I squirted breast milk in it but poss not enough. Either that or it's getting it out? Call the midwife?

Kittycatcat Wed 03-Oct-12 10:52:16

Oh and my scar is red and sweaty. Apologies if tmi. I'm trying to air it but my run hangs over it.

chillikat Wed 03-Oct-12 13:51:42

Kitty, it's probably a bit early yet but I took to going commando (sorry TMI) once my bleeding has stopped to air my scar (and long wrap around skirts). This was an in the house only thing!
The nurse at my GP also suggested a clean cotton hanky folded up over the scar - your pants should hold it in place. It'll pad it a bit and keep knicker elastic and things out of it. Also useful for checking for any bits of blood from it or weepy bits.

M had gooey eyes, I seem to recall. I think we just cleaned with water and cotton wool.

Kittycatcat Wed 03-Oct-12 13:55:33

Cheers chilli I called the midwife and she said put a sanitary towel over it And it feels better already. I've booked the docs for the morning anyway just to be on the safe side.

ILikeToMoveItMoveIt Wed 03-Oct-12 19:08:02

Post section I would always lay flat on the bed and gently pat dry my scar with a big fluffy towel. I would lie there fr as long as possible to get the air to the scar.

I'm sure I would aim the shower head over it, but didn't use any shower gel. Or if you can get in and out the bath ok, put some lavender oil and tea tree oil in the water - great for healing.

Keep squirting milk in A's eye, it can take a while to clear.

Vom at savaloy. I don't think I have ever had one, am I missing out?

More de-cluttering was done today. Some stuff put on EBay and FB selling pages. The initial high of clearing shite is wearing off and it's now getting boring! Maybe this is why my house is a tip?

UnderwaterBasketWeaving Wed 03-Oct-12 19:53:36

Hello all,

Well done for the shiny new thread.

Sorry I can't be of any help Kitty, except for sympathy.

I think I'm having another crisis like the time I convinced myself I had cervical cancer. I hope it's just another hypochondriac episode... Last couple of nights I've had pain/discomfort in the upper right area of my abdomen. Almost under my ribs. It feels like bowels to me. I have previously had terrible constipation, where I'd have an enormous unflushable poo that would have to soak overnight before it would flush! blush more recently I've had a bit of diarrhoea.

Now, rationally, I was thinking perhaps a bit of a bug, perhaps some later onset IBS. However, I made the mistake of running "upper right abdominal pain" through boots web md and now it's either pancreatic cancer or schistosomiasis.

I'm going to have to see a doctor, aren't I. (Boo)

ecuse Thu 04-Oct-12 00:46:37

UBW you know better than to consult Dr Google at night time ... no good can come of it grin

Kittycatcat Thu 04-Oct-12 10:32:37

Hope yr ok ubw

Back from docs. I've a fungal infection in my scar. Anti bs and cream!

Frakiosaurus Thu 04-Oct-12 17:20:02

Poor you kitty the word fungal makes me cringe.

UBW hope you're okay. Agree that Dr Google is not your friend.

He is, however, mine. I've had some slight bleeding (more like dark browny discharge sorry for TMI) at 6/7 days post theoretical ovulation (theoretical because I have no period to count from but lots of EWCM and suspiciously ovulation like pains). Implantation bleeding? Google says its the right timeframe.

Kittycatcat Thu 04-Oct-12 18:26:41

Oooooooo frak this is very exciting. When will we know??

UnderwaterBasketWeaving Thu 04-Oct-12 18:48:03

Thanks, I'm pretty sure it's my inner hypochondriac getting loose. Fortunately hmm the vultures of vom lurgey are circling. Several down at work & nursery. My money's on Sunday for us.

How very exciting, Frak! I did wonder at all the smells bothering you in the husband-gate post.

Starshaped Thu 04-Oct-12 18:58:14

Oooh Frak! Potentially exciting times ahead!

ILikeToMoveItMoveIt Thu 04-Oct-12 19:16:47

Tis probably a bug UBW, unless it has been going on for sometime?

Glad you went to see the Doc and got sorted Kitty, will anti-b's help a fungal infection? I thought you would need an anti-fungal, which I guess is the cream?

Ooooooooooooo at possible implantation bleeding. Before my first period post ds3 I just knew I was ovulating because of the EWCM and mittleschmerz. Fingers crossed for you Frakk.

Ds3 had a seemingly little fall this afternoon, but when he got up he had a graze under his eye, a black eye and a huge red/swollen patch. He looks like he has been boxing blush

Kittycatcat Thu 04-Oct-12 19:45:31

Awh poor lil fella ubw

Dunno. But got both so fingers crossed. Had my first melt down today. After a lively day just the three of us s was back to throwing tantrums over nothing this pm and a falls asleep feeding then wakes hungry an hour later.

Kittycatcat Fri 05-Oct-12 11:12:15

It doesn't rain but it pours.

Just did the equivalent to my post csec poo. I had contractions and everything. And there was blood. Piles I think.

Alex now weighs 7.15, but there's a purple mark On his tummy. Hv said take him to doc but they have no appts. He's fine in himself except for being sick this am which i put down to over eating. He's feeding ok. They said call back later if he changes and in worried and they will try to fit him in. Mr google of the evil variety has put meningitis in my head?!

Found you guys! I was thinking you lot were quiet until I realised the last thread had dropped off TIO!

I'm so glad to hear its not just B who is a bit of a kamikaze. And he only runs, never walks anywhere. And he's fast! I can't keep up, especially in heels. Give the neighbours a laugh though as I teeter past their windows!

We have Bs dermatology appointment next week. I don't know what to expect, anyone have any experience?

Frakiosaurus Fri 05-Oct-12 11:26:13

kitty big the docs for an appt. They should fit a tiny baby in straight away. Have you done the glass test? If the mark doesn't disappear call 999 straight away as it could be septicaemia, not necessarily from meningitis although that is thermostat common cause. Hopefully it's nothing.

fizz no experience of dermatology appts but they'll probably go over the info they were given (if any!) and look at him. Fingers crossed for you.

I reckon I'll test in about a week. The evil red tide of doom should be due next Fridayish but then again we have PILs visiting that weekend, so I guess that's not a great time to test! I might just ostrich around a bit because I like the idea but I'm not sure how the reality will sit with me!

Kittycatcat Fri 05-Oct-12 13:10:18

Did the glass test and think it went but got docs at 3 to be safe

Kittycatcat Fri 05-Oct-12 16:23:26

Doc says its nothing. That's pretty much all she said. Not a doc I have a lot of faith in! I'll keep an eye on him.

ecuse Fri 05-Oct-12 16:45:25

Honestly, some GPs are rubbish. It probably is nothing, but a bit of bedside manner, explanation and so forth would help, wouldn't it?

ecuse Fri 05-Oct-12 16:45:47

Hi Fizz, was wondering what had happened to you!

ecuse Fri 05-Oct-12 16:46:28

Also, Frak - husband gate? (and squeeeee!)

UnderwaterBasketWeaving Fri 05-Oct-12 17:55:20

He forgot his wife was his partner and not his mother and left their place in an unnecessary tip. Referring to it as husband-gate may have been overly dramatic!

Glad he's ok Kitty.

Hello Fizz!

Yay, weekend!

ILikeToMoveItMoveIt Fri 05-Oct-12 19:25:41

Yay, weekend indeed grin

Lol at forgetting his partner wasn't his mother. I often say to dh "I'm not your bloody mother"

Remind me what the dermo appt is about Fizz, I have seen a dermo Consultant but probably over something different.

Glad the rash was nothing kitty. I often wonder where HCP's leave their people person skills hmm

I am still avidly decluttering the house. Nothing is sacred. Lets just say I'm glad the wheelie bin collection was this week.

Who will be watching Strictly tonight? The pizza is being delivered, the wine will be quaffed and I will be devouring Strictly. Heaven. Then it's the same tomorrow, minus the pizza.

he had a reaction to sunscreen a dew times. puffy eyes and little blisters.

we are just settling down for strictly. b should be bedded soon and I think ill crack open the wine

Kittycatcat Fri 05-Oct-12 20:11:33

Oh I didn't realise strictly started tonight. Dh will not be happy.

I often tell dh he isn't my dad!

Starshaped Fri 05-Oct-12 21:39:48

I'm loving a bit of Friday night Strictly action here!

Fizz DD saw a Consultant Paediatrician earlier this year about some terrible rashes and reactions she was having to things. We weren't really sure what was causing them, so the doctors asked lots of questions and inspected her skin. They did some reaction tests because the GP had been worried about food allergies. Luckily they ruled food allergies out and put it down to some some sort of urticarial thing. They prescribed us some preventative medicine and cream and some piriton.

Fortunately DD's rashes seem to have improved, so we haven't needed to go back. The consultant said that it's often the case with little ones, so I hope that's the same for B.

Frakiosaurus Sat 06-Oct-12 13:38:46

I miss strictly!

Poor B, that doesn't sound fun sad hope the dermatologist can help.

Right, I have a 3000 word lit review so need to get off MN and stop obsessing about the fact I had weird vivd dreams last night

Kittycatcat Sat 06-Oct-12 13:41:04

Ooooooo frak... It's looking very promising. fingers

Kittycatcat Sat 06-Oct-12 13:41:29

Er that was crosses fingers

ILikeToMoveItMoveIt Sat 06-Oct-12 18:43:09

Ah yes, I remember now Fizz. quite different to what we saw a Dermatologist about. Maybe take the particular sunscreen with you, it may well have a well known irritant in it. Did you take any photo's of the reaction? IF so, take them. Don't be surprised if they don't do much apart from ask you to return if/when he has another reaction, as I'm not sure there's much else they can do.

Iplayer Frakk. Does France have its own version of Strictly?

Looking forward to Strictly again tonight. Can't wait to see Louis blush, I'm old enough to be his mum!

Kittycatcat Sat 06-Oct-12 21:11:29

Louis was AMAZING

ILikeToMoveItMoveIt Sat 06-Oct-12 21:22:23

His dancing wasn't too bad either grin

DH is out so I am taking the opportunity to watch X- Factor as well. I am in awe of Nicole, she seems practically perfect in every way envy

Kittycatcat Sat 06-Oct-12 22:03:26

I like tulisas eye make up

Ugh do not get me started on my dislike of Nicole shitsinger! What's that? Me? Jealous? No way! but she made Lewis Hamilton sad and I think he lost his mojo when she got her claws into him

Loved loved loved Lisa Riley on strictly! Doing it for the big girls! Jerry hall is a great clothes horse, but she ain't "got the moves like jagger" (see what I did there???)

Kittycatcat Sun 07-Oct-12 01:14:41

Haha fizz. I agree. Lisa was brilliant.

Kittycatcat Sun 07-Oct-12 18:29:49

A is a feeder confused every two hours. But it can take up to 40 minutes to feed him.

ILikeToMoveItMoveIt Sun 07-Oct-12 19:36:07

Sounds familiar Kitty, all 3 of my boys were like that. But remember that the feeds do eventually get quicker. Each week you will notice a difference.

I also found that once they were passed the newborn stage, putting them in the sling helped to space the feeds out a little. They were so snug in the sling that they weren't quite so frantic for a feed. They would often feed better (more focused) when the feeds were stretched out a little.

Saying that I don't think any of them went more than 3 hours (except at night) between a feed until they started weaning. Which is probably why they were such chubsters grin

Ds3 is slowly slowly starting to lose the chub now. I think the constant and frantic running around is finally burning off more than he consumes!

Kittycatcat Sun 07-Oct-12 20:43:28

Thanks ilike. He does love a snuggle.

Starshaped Tue 09-Oct-12 19:11:11

I think I've got a problem. I've just eaten half a jar of Nutella with a spoon. I feel sick. I'm a pig aren't I?!

Of course not pigs can't use spoons!! Send the other half here and I'll save you from eating the rest! <selfless>

I was in to see Deacon Blue last night!! I haven't been to a "gig" for years! I felt 16 again! And a bit deaf this morning!

Dh has man flu hmm so is sitting beside me snuffling. B is in bed so I have a nice wee night infront of the telly! No work tomorrow because we have Bs dermo appointment.

Kittycatcat Tue 09-Oct-12 19:43:19

Good effort star.

Were they good fizz? Good luck tomorrow.

Alex has been a moaner all afternoon. Not settled at all. Stressing me out.

Frakiosaurus Tue 09-Oct-12 20:09:35

Aww kitty <hugs> it will pass, just sling and snuggle.

Hope tomorrow goes well fizz

There isn't really anything like strictly because w ery one here can dance. It's practically a tote of passage to take ballroom lessons and have a special choreographed dance for your wedding. Fail on both counts for us! I may have to investigate iplayer. Or sky.

We have a chest infection here. Joy. Antibiotics, something against vomiting (happens when he coughs) and calpol on prescription - felt like a walking pharmacy or a drug dealer on the way back.

In 2ww news I have sore ish boobs. Why is it so bloody long til I can test?!

Kittycatcat Tue 09-Oct-12 20:52:16

You are v restrained frak. I tested every day for about ten days!!

They were fab kitty! Was a bit nervous because I could only think of 2 of their songs that I knew, but turns out I know more than I thought!

fergus sings the blues, in bars of 12 or less ......

Kittycatcat Tue 09-Oct-12 23:16:10

I'm a stranger to the land...

Alibabaandthe40nappies Tue 09-Oct-12 23:24:24

<ears prick at POAS talk>

We're all ok here, plodding along. T is stressing me out big time being purposefully naughty. But when he has done something wrong then he comes and gives me kisses <cute>

kitty neither of mine went more than 2-3 hours without milk until they were 6+ months. Except when DS1 slept for 8 hours a night without waking from 11 weeks - 19 weeks. With hindsight I should have made better use of that!

Fizz hope it goes well tomorrow.

fraktion Wed 10-Oct-12 01:09:16

I shouldn't say that sweet ali but it is wink we have purposeful misbehaving too.

I change my mind about 2ww. Super broken sleep with a chesty M makes me wonder how I'd cope with another. And we still cosleep.

BUT we have nearly cracked night weaning.

Kittycatcat Wed 10-Oct-12 03:52:22

I think a is havin trouble with my supply. He feeds for 5-10 mins. Falls asleep on me. I put him down. He cries. I offer him more and he bounces all over my boob unable to latch. It's just taken 50 minutes involving a short feed. Put him down. Pick him up to try to wind him again. Put him down. Wide awake. Pick him up. Won't settle. Looking for boob. Fight to get him on. Felt milk come in. Small feed. I think I might have to do formula soon and I really didn't want to but I'm getting so frustrated and upset and so is he.

Kittycatcat Wed 10-Oct-12 03:58:38

And we have stopped again. He was asleep and now he's not. And my boobs feel empty. Am hour and ten mins now. He's laying in my bed moaning.

fraktion Wed 10-Oct-12 07:18:29

Oh kitty that's normal at 2 weeks sad but disheartening. Your boobs are never empty, just a bit slow/behind. A feeding is giving them the signals they need to do better.

Is cosleeping (safely) an option until you get BF established? That way you don't have to faff putting him down and he's less likely to take in air so shouldn't need winding.

Alibabaandthe40nappies Wed 10-Oct-12 07:23:41

Kitty hang in there, it is so normal at just 2 weeks. Just keep him on the boob as much as you can to get your supply going. ((hugs)) it is tough but it will soon get easier

Kittycatcat Wed 10-Oct-12 07:52:53

Thanks ladies. I've let him sleep on my chest a couple of times but didn't want to get into the habit.

Alibabaandthe40nappies Wed 10-Oct-12 09:39:10

kitty tbh I would go with that for now, because then he can latch if he wants to and all that skin-to-skin will help your milk. 2 weeks is v.early to worry about bad habits - whatever gets you all the most sleep is what counts right now! smile

Back from the hospital! All quite positive. She is going to see if they can do patch tests on him, because he's quite young she's not sure if they can. I'm going to send her the list of ingredients and they'll look at them for know allergens and maybe recommend a sunscreen he should be ok with. She did say that really where we are she wouldn't recommend sun screen to be used unless it was blistering hot and to used shade and longer clothing to protect skin.

We are half planning on going to Tenerife with my parents I. January, but I'm nervous about booking it if we can't find a sunscreen for him.

I don't suppose any of you have the Avon kids SPF 50 in the orange tube??

ecuse Wed 10-Oct-12 15:48:06

Kitty how long until your TT appointment? It's exactly how Jo was. Couldn't get enough milk out so just bounced on and off getting frustrated and not settling. Keep an eye on his weight - Jo regained her birth weight quite quickly but then started to lose again in wks 3-4 and got dehydrated (she was fine, don't panic, but keep an eye on it. I didn't weigh her between 2wks and 4wks and in the intervening time she dropped half a pound and fell back below her birth weight again which was a bit scary).

Kittycatcat Wed 10-Oct-12 16:57:13

Thanks ecuse. That's exactly it and what I'm worried about. Tt appt 22nd oct. he's been fine til this week. Being weighed fri so will see what's doing.

ecuse Wed 10-Oct-12 21:01:56

That's good timing then - you'll be able to keep a good eye on him. If you want to keep bf you could consider pumping now in case the TT is stopping him stimulating your supply - which is what happened to me, but I didn't start pumping till 6 weeks and my supply never recovered to the point I could EBF even after she had the snip. Midwives, HVs etc kept telling me to put her to the breast more often to boost supply but honestly couldn't see how I could feed her more often - she was bouncing on and off me probably 16 to 18 hours out of 24. Turned out of course she just literally couldn't move her tongue enough to get enough milk out and my supply gradually dwindled to almost nothing and my boobs were biscuit biscuit

Saying that, a) we don't know this is what's happening in your case - feeding frequently also perfectly normal, apparently not everyone feels 'full' when it's going right anyway. And b) pumping is the absolute work of the devil. I hated it with a fiery passion and really struggled to find the time (and inclination). Didn't help that I could only get 40mls on a good day mind you. And I didn't have a toddler to look after. So it's not necessarily something you want to get into. I can't in all honesty say I'd do it again. My near-obsession with maintaining BF (or flogging a dead horse!) put a serious damper on the first 4 months or so verging on PND at points. In hindsight I don't think it was worth it in my case.

But you're not me and A is not J and there's no reason things have to pan out the same way. Some babies' TT apparently stretches out as they grow and they end up feeding fine, apparently. Or if you're worried and very keen on maintaining EBF and can afford it there are lactation consultants who are registered to do the snip at your home. Think it's a couple of hundred quid. I think I would try that myself if I had another one with TT.

Kittycatcat Wed 10-Oct-12 21:09:34

Cheers ecuse. Yeah not sure I have time to express unless dh home. And I hated if too. Di they do the tt there and then or book another appt? It's not a horrendous one or he wouldn't be able to feed at all.

JKSLtd Wed 10-Oct-12 21:22:20

Hope the Tt stuff gets sorted.
In the meantime, go for as much sleep as you can get- if that means he sleeps with you/on you don't stress. All 3 of mine have slept in bed with us (though I fought against it more with the first 2) to start with. With dd I actually sold the crib on eBay as I realised none of my kids would ever sleep in the darn thinggrin
Hey all sleep fine in their beds now so it's not caused a prob.
Keep him nearby and let him feed lots - whilst also looking after your nips, keep he lansinoh going and try to remember good positioning. See if you can get lying down feeding sorted it does make life so much easier - I only got it with dd.

Keep going you're doing brilliantly and it'll all fly by so quickly.

Kittycatcat Wed 10-Oct-12 21:56:42

Thanks grin

ecuse Thu 11-Oct-12 01:10:40

There and then. She spoke to me for 5 minutes as I explained symptoms, peeked under Jo's tongue, said 'yep, posterior TT' and we went into a little room and she did it. Two minutes. They swaddled her, a nurse held her head still and the doctor just grabbed her tongue, pushed it up and did a teeny tiny snip. They have you waiting ready with your boob out so they can bung the baby straight on - partly to comfort, partly because breast milk is antiseptic. Easy peasy. Jo was a bit outraged but I think that was the swaddling/head pinning as much as the actual snip which was a split second.

By the way, posterior TT is what Jo had, means it's not as obviously visible as the standard, so more likely to be undetected, and they can usually feed a bit, as she could.

Kittycatcat Thu 11-Oct-12 01:58:45

Thanks ecuse. That's fab to know.

Kittycatcat Fri 12-Oct-12 09:00:31

Ffs. Went to put cream on my incision this am and there was blood on the wet wipe. Got docs at 1130...useless doc sad. They say if I need stitching I'll have to go to hosp.

Alibabaandthe40nappies Fri 12-Oct-12 09:24:12

kitty sad I had loads of problems with my scar after DS1, it is horrible. What cream have they given you? I used something called Dermol which is antimicrobial so keeps it all really clean and helps it to heal.
Has the scar actually opened up, or is there just a little red/sore part?

Fizz - for Tenerife, you can get UV all-in-one suits that have high necks, and then hats with those flaps over the neck and a peak. He would be really well protected in that without any need for cream.

GlaikitFizZombie Fri 12-Oct-12 09:53:37

I had bleeding from my scar too, but it was the staple sites that I had the problem with because of my reaction to the metal. Think festering ear piercings. It might not be your scar opening up but a little bit that's caught

Ali, I've been looking for those uv suits. Dh is having a wobble about going abroad with B still young and is imagining all sorts of terrible things that will never happen!! So it might not happen. Maybe I should just book it and tell him once its all done.

Anyway, cm is on holiday next week so me and B are heading up the road to say with my folks for a few days! Could be interesting!!

Alibabaandthe40nappies Fri 12-Oct-12 10:05:10

Fizz - do it! Go now, while you just have the one grin With your folks there as well you will actually get some downtime!
We are going away for 3 nights at the end of the month for our anniversary, to a hotel that has babysitters and a kids club so that we actually get a break. It is costing a flipping fortune compared to the time we went with just DS1 because we need a proper family room rather than just a normal double with a travel cot.

fraktion Fri 12-Oct-12 11:35:18

People have babies abroad wink people relocate with them too! Go before you need to pay the extra seat on the plan, fizz

Poor you, kitty. Hope the docs can sort it and that it doesn't need stitching.

I get to POAS tomorrow. I think.

Kittycatcat Fri 12-Oct-12 12:18:36

I've been thinking about you frak. Eagerly awaiting your news!

Doc has given me penicillin in addition to the flucloxacollin. She said taking two a day wasn't enough to help it heal. So now I have to take 8 and not bother with the cream which was only canesten.

chillikat Fri 12-Oct-12 13:39:54

Hope your scar sorts itself out soon Kitty. I had a few dodgy patches for ages. If only we had Star Trek technology to magically rejoin the skin... but then you wouldn't have needed a c-sec anyway - they'd have just beamed A out. I'm still hoping that transportation technology is perfected before I have another grinhmm

JKSLtd Fri 12-Oct-12 19:59:20

Good idea Chilli grin

Frak hoping for good news tomorrow!

Kitty you're having a tough time sad hope these pills sort it out.

Still no working Internet & I get fed up posting on phone so not around much.

Starshaped Fri 12-Oct-12 20:23:56

Rubbish kitty - I hope the antibiotics sort it out quickly for you.

Bloody freezing here tonight. It's starting to feel like autumn. I can't wait for firework night though. We missed it last year but I'll be dragging DD out this year!

Fingers crossed Frak grin

fraktion Sat 13-Oct-12 12:09:12

Apparently not upduffed, so waiting for the evil red tide of doom to descend. Or maybe I just got the signs wrong (although I'm convinced I didn't). It's going to be awful, isn't it? Retribution for nearly 2,5 years of freedom.

On the plus side I can drink wine

Kittycatcat Sat 13-Oct-12 12:36:33

My test took a week to come pos frak

fraktion Sat 13-Oct-12 20:56:51

Oh blush

<Hides G&T>

In other news we've just achieved our A&E badge.

GlaikitFizZombie Sat 13-Oct-12 21:17:55

Oh no! What happened?

We got that badge a year ago!

Kittycatcat Sat 13-Oct-12 22:34:33

Oh no. What happened.

Pass the g and t

fraktion Sat 13-Oct-12 23:32:08

Head met table and table left a large dent sad we were both pretty sure it was nothing but better safe than sorry.

Starshaped Sun 14-Oct-12 01:38:31

Uh oh Frak. Is all ok now I hope?

We're away for the weekend and are having a nightmare night with DD. Why does she save these specials for when we're not at home? Urgh!

Kittycatcat Sun 14-Oct-12 04:28:30

Yeah you can't mess with the head, best to be safe. Hope all is ok now.

S' scab has come off to reveal a nice red mark. Def gonna scar sad

See strictly anyone? Louis was fan again fizz. Thought Denise was brilliant too.

ecuse Sun 14-Oct-12 10:24:38

No strictly spoilers pls - I'm an iplayer catcher upper!

frak - we had an a&e run Thursday night. In an ambulance no less. Jo woke in the night with vomiting, red blotches and a temp of 40 screaming blue murder. I'm afraid we panicked a bit. Did the glass test and thought we could still see the rash so called the ambulance. I could have kissed the paramedic when he strode into the bedroom, took one look at her and said "don't panic, there's no way this baby has got menengitis". Of course after that O felt pretty blush. They brought hee in anyway to get the temp checked out but by then the Calpol had kicked in, temp had come down and she was running round giggling blush blush. Diagnosed with non-specific baby malaise. Back home 3am with work the next day. That'll learn me!

Frak hope you're going to test again in a few days? Sounds like you were otherwise pretty sure. But enjoy your gin in the meantime - one won't do any harm!

We have had an offer accepted on a new house! Trying desperately not to get too excited as so many things that can go wrong. But it's chain free and we're ready to go so hopefully could be only 6 weeks or so. Although annoyingly our landlord is asking us to sing a new contract till January because she knows we're buying and doesn't want us to give notice yo leave in November or December. So I think we're going to have to suck up the overlap as we can't risk this falling through and us being homeless at the last minute.

GlaikitFizZombie Sun 14-Oct-12 11:34:47

Ooh ecuse you are in for some fu uh un then when you catch up!

Good luck with the move! Don't let you landlord bulky you into signing.

ILikeToMoveItMoveIt Mon 15-Oct-12 14:44:08

I am keeping my fingers quietly crossed for you ecuse smile

Why do kids perk up once you get them in front of a doctor?! Glad M and J are ok after their A&E visits.

No, I don't have any of that suncream Fizz. Do you have an Avon rep near you? Or maybe Ebay? Defo go away on holiday. It is so much easier with just one.

I will also be keeping my fingers crossed for you Frakk.

We took the boys to the Natural History Museum on Saturday (we met my bil, niece and nephew there), we all had a fab time and managed to spend 6 hours there! The time just seemed to fly by. We then all zipped off to Islington to meet my sis for dinner. I loved Islington, if I had to live in London (and was minted!) I would live there, it's like a small town. We then drove home and the boys quickly fell asleep in the back.

JKSLtd Mon 15-Oct-12 19:41:19

Ecuse hope the house thing comes off.

Currently trying to catch up on strictly myself.
Though did end up reading a downtown spoiler earlier sad

Still no Internet and posting on phone is tedious.

GlaikitFizZombie Mon 15-Oct-12 22:24:51

JKS, who is your Internet provider?? Can we picket them or something? To get them to fix you up?

GlaikitFizZombie Mon 15-Oct-12 22:35:06

Remember I posted the story about the rocks pebbles and sand in a jar a while back for someone's ds struggling with starting school. I'm sorry I can't remember who it was exactly. One of my friends on Facebook linked to it so I thought I would post it here.

When things in your life seem almost too much to handle, when 24 hours in a day are not enough, remember the mayonnaise jar and the 2 Beers.

A professor stood before his philosophy class and had some items in front of him. When the class began, he wordlessly picked up a very large and empty mayonnaise jar and proceeded to fill it with golf balls. He then asked the students if the jar was full. They agreed that it was.

The professor then picked up a box of pebbles and poured them into the jar. He shook the jar lightly. The pebbles rolled into the open areas between the golf balls. He then asked the students again if the jar was full. They agreed it was.

The professor next picked up a box of sand and poured it into the jar. Of course, the sand filled up everything else. He asked once more if the jar was full.. The students responded with a unanimous 'yes.'

The professor then produced two Beers from under the table and poured the entire contents into the jar effectively filling the empty space between the sand.The students laughed..

'Now,' said the professor as the laughter subsided, 'I want you to recognize that this jar represents your life. The golf balls are the important things---your family, your children, your health, your friends and your favorite passions---and if everything else was lost and only they remained, your life would still be full. The pebbles are the other things that matter like your job, your house and your car.. The sand is everything else---the small stuff.

If you put the sand into the jar first,' he continued, 'there is no room for the pebbles or the golf balls. The same goes for life.

If you spend all your time and energy on the small stuff you will never have room for the things that are important to you.

Pay attention to the things that are critical to your happiness.

Spend time with your children. Spend time with your parents. Visit with grandparents. Take your spouse out to dinner. Play another 18. There will always be time to clean the house and mow the lawn.

Take care of the golf balls first---the things that really matter. Set your priorities. The rest is just sand.

One of the students raised her hand and inquired what the Beer represented. The professor smiled and said, 'I'm glad you asked.' The Beer just shows you that no matter how full your life may seem, there's always room for a couple of Beers with a friend.

Kittycatcat Mon 15-Oct-12 23:50:20

Live that fizz. Do I detect a name change?

Kittycatcat Mon 15-Oct-12 23:50:34

Curses. Love that!!

Kittycatcat Thu 18-Oct-12 09:51:28

I think my scar is opening up. I did a small yawn stretch last night and felt it pull. Wonder when the docs will stop plying me with pills and do something about it.

Alibabaandthe40nappies Thu 18-Oct-12 10:16:51

kitty what does the skin look like? You should be able to massage the scar and surrounding area gently which will break down scar adhesions and get everything knitting back together. The pull was probably some adhered tissue breaking - which is ok.
Is it still sore and infected?

Kittycatcat Thu 18-Oct-12 10:40:24

It's not sore but it's seeping and v red and looks loose in three places.

GlaikitFizZombie Thu 18-Oct-12 11:47:34

Seeping doesn't sound good. Is it bloody seeping or icky seeping? When they prescribed the abs did they send a swab off for testing to make sure you were on the right ones for the infection you have? I was give a general ab then when the swab came back got another prescription for the correct one.

Can you call the GP and ask for an emergency appointment?

ILikeToMoveItMoveIt Thu 18-Oct-12 12:54:20

I was going to mention getting it swabbed as well kitty. I hope you can get an appt with your GP.

I have been to the dentist and can't feel my face. I am feeling sorry for myself, I bloody hate the dentist.

I should be cleaning the house ready for hosting a coffee morning tomorrow, but I can't be arsed.

fraktion Thu 18-Oct-12 16:34:59

Oh kitty that doesn't sound good. Hope you've manager to get an appt and they've actually down something.

I had an AIBU money in the pharmacy. I was buying a pregnancy test, DS in tow, and the pharmacy assistant decided to give me loud instructions on doing it first thing or after not peeling for a while. First it's fairly obvious DS is mine so one can assume I've done it before, second what I there had been people I knew in there? It's a small pharmacy that I only use because it's literally at the end of the street so high likelihood of there being someone there! angry

Testing again tomorrow and hoping it works this time. I'm scared in case I don't 'pass' even though I know it only shows what is ready the case.

Kittycatcat Thu 18-Oct-12 17:02:49

Fingers crossed frak

Useless doc didn't take a swab cos she said it was too dry which it now isn't.

chillikat Fri 19-Oct-12 14:35:52

Long time no posts, but I've been lurking. Had a surprise day off today as M threw up at nursery yesterday. Of course she's fine today and we've been to the park. Had another viewer for our house too, she seemed positive but it's the top of her budget.

Hope your scar is ok kitty.

Any news Frak?

ILikeToMoveItMoveIt Fri 19-Oct-12 16:13:45

Nice to see you chilli, fingers crossed today's viewer was the one smile

Don't keep us in suspense Frakk grin

Hope the scar is better today kitty

We had the first 'mine' from I today. Wonder who he got that from hmm <stares at ds2>

fraktion Fri 19-Oct-12 19:41:45

Poor/lucky you depending which way you cut it chilli!

BFN for me. But no period and no sign of one. I've spent 18months not wanting another one and now I really, really do and my sodding period won't come back sad

ILTMI we've had me/my/mine for a while. I'm not sure where he learnt it but M has a strongly developed sense of self hmm

In other news, in an effort to integrate and make local friends I went to what I can only describe as a mother's meeting yesterday, a bit like the Mother's Union I suppose. I now seem to have ended up as administrator/person in charge of said group because I like admin and no one else wanted to do it. This has better get me Brownie points with St Peter! I also tried to make contact with the local LLL person. I say local, she's at least 50km away. No reply. How long before I suggest setting up a really local one and who so you reckon I contact for that?

JKSLtd Fri 19-Oct-12 20:04:07

Frak - hope the tests are just playing silly buggers and you are actually pg.

Have internet back grin!

General wave all round smile

Alibabaandthe40nappies Fri 19-Oct-12 21:06:30

Hi everyone!

Frak - are you feeding during the night? I did manage to get pregnant with DS2 while still feeding DS1, but luteal phase can be a bugger. Are you definitely ovulating?

ILTMI - we get 'Meeeeeee' which covers 'that is mine, I want some of that, look at me'. Delivered at volume grin

kitty - I would insist on a swab. It is bloody shocking the standard of wound care after c-sections sad After DS1 I had so many problems, in the end my Dad hauled me into his department (he is a dermatologist) and his nurses sorted my scar - alongside the correct anti B's from a swab they took and the lab processed. We had to circumvent my GP entirely.
Second time round I was luckier with the healing but also shouted very loudly at the first sign of a problem.
I really hope you get it sorted, I really feel for you it is utterly shit sad

Alibabaandthe40nappies Fri 19-Oct-12 21:07:53

chilli - fingers crossed re.house. I can see us staying here forever through sheer inertia - the thought of selling and buying fills me with horror! grin

fraktion Fri 19-Oct-12 21:40:13

Ali we are sort of hit and miss night feeding but nothing between getting up and bedtime most days. Really hoping that actually having his bed means we can put him into it and might result in no more night feeds. I thought we'd cracked it but then we relapsed and DH was hideously unsupportive so I stopped being arsed.

UnderwaterBasketWeaving Sun 21-Oct-12 03:35:40

Someone's just posted on our first antenatal thread, dredging it up from the depths into actives.

I thought I'd gone back in time for a minute (being woken at 3am every night will do that to a person).

I've just reread my first few posts and remembered how awful early pg was.

Erm, good luck Frak!

Kittycatcat Sun 21-Oct-12 05:44:42

That's strange. Where did she find that. Just read it. Poor lady. Hope she's ok. Well done for picking it up ubw.

I just woke to A rooting my face. I picked him up at 30 to resettle him and promptly fell asleep. Oops. Still. I got longer between feeds than I prob would have in his cot. He's doing v well. He weighs 9 lb 11 now. Got his tt appointment tomorrow.

UnderwaterBasketWeaving Sun 21-Oct-12 08:16:43

I can't remember what I wrote. I was half asleep.and thought I must redirect her somewhere else. But I thought it was weird she even found that thread.

I never could sleep properly with F in our bed. But if it works for you, carry on!

Kittycatcat Sun 21-Oct-12 08:26:38

I did it again by accident after his 530 feed. I feel much more awake today but I'd rather he slept in his own bed.

ILikeToMoveItMoveIt Sun 21-Oct-12 08:46:51

Wow kitty, sounds like he's putting weight on well. Well done to both of you smile

If co-sleeping works for now, it doesn't mean you have to have him in your bed forever. I think I co-slept the longest with ds3 (16ish weeks) and the transition to cot was painless.

Would you like to stop the night feeds Frakk? maybe having a chat to dh about being a team might help? Dh and I have always approached being a family like being our own little team. We make the decisions together and pull together when needed. For us, it makes us a stronger unit and everyone is involved. But I also appreciate it's different for you as your dh is often away with work so you are probably chief decision maker a lot of the time.

You'll have to let us know about how your mothers meeting goes, sounds intriguing grin

I bought what I hope will be our finall buggy yesterday. We have a fab secondhand shop in town and I bought a Mountain Buggy from them. The first 4x4 we bought with ds1 (Quinny Speedi) is knackered and the Maclaren is great in town, but rubbish for the school run (it needs 2 hands to push it). So I treated myself to a Mountain Buggy - the pram we really should have bought first time round hmm

ILikeToMoveItMoveIt Sun 21-Oct-12 08:51:21

Forgot to ask kitty , do you watch It Takes Two? If so, what does Zoe Ball have on her cheeks? They are all dewy and shiny without a discernible colour. Is it like High Beam that Benefit make?

And if you don't watch it, why not? grin

Did people watch Strictly last night? I LOVED Kristina's dress and Erin's trouser suit. Exquisite.

GlaikitFizZombie Sun 21-Oct-12 09:22:07

<finally comes round after Louis' dirty dancing routine> I would think its high beam or something similar ILike. I have a foundation that reflects light or something and I just use it on my cheeks or I look like a twilight character in Marbella!

I think Richard or Michael to go, or maybe jerry, but she has the anton factor to keep her in I think.

I was a bit meh at DVOs Jessie costume. Woody was dating Bo Peep not Jessie! Jessie wasn't even in toy story until 2! She should have had some sheep and a crook!

ILikeToMoveItMoveIt Sun 21-Oct-12 09:58:55

What was up with Sid do you think? It seemed that it was more than being unhappy with his routine - which was shite.

I'm sure I've got a sample of High Beam, I'll have to dig it out and have a play.

I think if Michael is in the dance off, he'll go.

Kittycatcat Sun 21-Oct-12 09:59:57

ilike I dont but might start smile. I used to have a creme blusher that did that but as I haven't seen her I don't know...Unless its touché éclat? (sp).

Lisa is fab. Loved Erin's outfit. Missed everyone up til Richard angry.

Louis is great. He can mooooove.

Got all my girlies round today with S and A. Dh making himself scarce. 6 adults inc me and 5 children. 2 of which are babies!! Wish me luck. We're havin fish finger sarns. Lol.

GlaikitFizZombie Sun 21-Oct-12 10:12:28

Well Sid look a bit of a twat! He ain't no Tom cruise!

Starshaped Sun 21-Oct-12 12:36:40

I've got a brilliant Nars cream blusher that gives my cheeks a natural blush and sparkle. Could be something like that or it could be Benefit Moonbeam rather than Highbeam. Moonbeam does the same sort of thing but it's more natural. I much prefer it!

Is it just me that loves Kimberley on Strictly. I think she's gorgeous and seems so nice. Don't get me started on Denise and the vile vile vile James Jordan though - eurgh!

Enjoy your mother's meeting kitty. You can't beat a fishfinger butty wink

Kittycatcat Sun 21-Oct-12 23:44:13

Michael was worse than Jerry no? He's got no enthusiasm at all.

GlaikitFizZombie Sun 21-Oct-12 23:45:56

Neither did jerry! She looked bored most of the time!! Michael will go next week? Either him or trout face from daybreak!

Starshaped Mon 22-Oct-12 02:16:24

I like Michael - I think enthusiasm is the one thing he has got going for him. It's
timing and rhythm he's lacking!

Up with a poorly baby. Yawn...

Kittycatcat Mon 22-Oct-12 06:58:46

Tired.5 feeds since 1130 and awake 430-6.

Kittycatcat Mon 22-Oct-12 11:13:36

only possibly infected on the right side (but not open-phew) been swabbed (ouch), have to call wed pm for results. If needed there will be an anti b prescription at the docs for me. Rest of it is fungal infection-red rash. Been given a stronger cream to apply twice a day.

fraktion Mon 22-Oct-12 12:05:34

Good (ish) news kitty fingers crossed the new cream sorts it. Sounds like an awful night sad hopefully S will let you take it easy today and tonight will be better!

M is poorly too star I blame the ABs for the horrendous nappies we've been having envy <- sick face

GlaikitFizZombie Mon 22-Oct-12 12:18:28

Bs nappies are horrific just now, but no apparent reason! And they are always first thing <boak>

A suggestion that might be a bit out there Kitty, but how about trying some bm on your scar? Might be stupid idea.

Kittycatcat Mon 22-Oct-12 13:19:19

Alex's tongue tie is no more grin. In, snipped and out in 3 mins. Had to stay back for ten mins to be sure he was ok and that was that.

UnderwaterBasketWeaving Mon 22-Oct-12 18:32:11

Good news on the tongue tie! Hope they've sorted your scar stuff now too.

I think I've got a virus-ridden toddler here. He's had plenty of colds, and is usually absolutely fine.

This one has knocked him for 6. He's all quiet and cuddly. He's eaten well at the childminder's but only wanted juice at home.

He's just asked to go to bed.

It's really unusual for him.

On the plus side: DH came home with a tumble dryer so we're set for quick bed changes, should that need arise.

JKSLtd Mon 22-Oct-12 20:30:10

Well done on the TT snipping, wish we'd had that done for DS1 years ago.
Hope the scar calms down now.

Frak - any update?

MrsWajs Tue 23-Oct-12 00:21:33

High beam is the shizz ILTMI you can also get sun beam & moon beam too, I'm totally not a benefit addict by the way.....ahem! blush

Kittycatcat Tue 23-Oct-12 04:04:29

How's it going ubw?

A just went from 1210-4 between feeds. Heaven. I can't remember the last time I had three hours sleep!

UnderwaterBasketWeaving Tue 23-Oct-12 06:03:37

Morning Kitty (although I hope you're asleep again!) I remember that holy grail of more-than-2-hours.

F woke up about 9ish, demanded several varieties of drink, a story and then.ran off to bounce on our bed! He woke again at 1:30 but felt hotter again. He wanted "milk", "side" (other side), then "bed", and has just woken now.

He's quite hot. Full of snot. He should probably stay home today.

Kittycatcat Tue 23-Oct-12 07:07:05

Awh poor F.

Well A went another two hours but didn't want feeding. Gave him a cuddle and put him back to bed and he slept til 7. Whoop.

ILikeToMoveItMoveIt Tue 23-Oct-12 07:58:30

Well done A. I've always found that lo's pull a good night out of the bag just when you need it.

Hello mrsW, spookily I was thinking about you yesterday and that we hadn't seen you for awhile. I love Benefit too. I don't wear much make up, but nearly everything I have is Benefit.

Poor F, I hope he feels better soon. I has woken up all snotty today too.

I will be attempting Nigella's chocolate cake made with olive oil today. I am intrigued so I thought I would give it a whirl.

Starshaped Tue 23-Oct-12 09:21:22

Well done A! Now, can you send him round here please to have a talk with DD - we've had another terrible night. I wish this bug would bugger off and give me my sleeping baby back. Promise I won't even moan about her early rising again...

Sympathy to all the other poorly toddlers and mums.

Ps: can you send some of the chocolate cake round here when you're done ILTMI. It sounds yum!

Alibabaandthe40nappies Tue 23-Oct-12 12:49:48

I have obviously been called by the mention of chocolate cake! Yumyumyum smile

Fizz that is a brainwave re. scar and BM. I bet it helps grin

Sympathies to all those with crap nights atm. T is generally much better these days although we had a horror on Saturday, he woke about 5 times confused

I wear Benetint, and also their new mascara 'They're Real'. It is fab, doesn't smudge and comes off without industrial paint stripper.

We have got a few days away Saturday-Tuesday, we're heading down to Cornwall. Married 5 years on Saturday smile Hotel is lovely, we have babysitters, spa treatments and dinner for just DH and I booked and waiting for us <bliss>

Kittycatcat Tue 23-Oct-12 13:07:20

That sounds lovely ali. Happy anniversary in advance.

ILikeToMoveItMoveIt Tue 23-Oct-12 13:07:28

Maybe you could smell it Ali grin, my house has that lovely warm chocolate smell. I doubt the cake will stay intact for tomorrow's coffee morning. It's lucky I don't have any clotted cream in the house otherwise it would have been devoured by now. Warm oozy chocolate cake smothered in melting clotted cream <salivates> You better get over here quick Star.

Have a fab few days away Ali, it sounds blissful.

Alibabaandthe40nappies Tue 23-Oct-12 13:12:31

Mmmm cake grin

chillikat Tue 23-Oct-12 13:58:58

Can you waft the cake smell up here ILike - we've got another viewer in half an hour! Nothing, then they all come at once. It's fun to explain to a viewer that there's a napping toddler but don't worry, you can still see her room!

UnderwaterBasketWeaving Tue 23-Oct-12 17:40:55

Ooh, Ali, give us a wave from the A30 when you pass!

F's been home with DH all day. Up and down with calpol doses. He's had lots of naps: been asking for bed! Sleeping again now, so not sure what tonight will be like!

I picked up some baby nurofen on the way home, so we'll get that going between calpol doses to even him out a bit.

Do you think it would be unreasonable to send him to the cm dosed up?

Well done on the sleep front A!

Kittycatcat Wed 24-Oct-12 04:49:16

Well that was short lived. The little pickle went from 530 to 1010 last night and is now spending the night playing catch up. This is his third feed so far.

ecuse Wed 24-Oct-12 21:33:23

He's probably enjoying being able to.get all that extra milk out smile

MrsWajs Thu 25-Oct-12 03:36:28

Ohh poor F UBW Hope he starts to feel a little bit better soon.

I was eyeing up that mascara just last week Ali but since I'd already spent £100 on their stuff I thought better of it! I normally use Dior mascara but it's getting to be an expensive habit but I've never found another mascara I've liked as much as that one.

Chocolate cake sounds amazing ILTMI

kitty You sound like you're doing a great job with your new little man, your posts about 4 hours sleep are giving me the heeby jeebys though, I'd kind of blocked that from memory!

Not much to report from me otherwise, TTC-but-not-TTC commences anytime ERTD fecks off and hopefully I don't get preggers before January but anytime immediately after is fine!

R is getting more and more amazing each day, she has a complete little personality now and can speak probably a lot more than is necessary! She's also cutting about 4 molars just now too and is soldiering on regardless, apart from the odd gurn in the afternoon she's not complained much at all.....so much so that I actually didn't know the first one was even through til I gave her some bonjela on Sunday, so god knows how long it's been there!! blush

ILikeToMoveItMoveIt Thu 25-Oct-12 12:01:53

I hope F is better UBW.

How about putting the mascara on your Christmas list MrsW. I am very excited about your TTC-but-not-TTC! If you don't want to get pg before Christmas, why don't you chart until the new year. You'll then have an idea of your cycle which should help TTC. That's what i've done before.

Ds3 went to MIL for 2 hours this morning. The first time he has been looked after by someone other than me or dh <gulp>. He was very excited about going - he dragged his bag that we packed to the door! He was fine while there but loved coming home. I cleaned the kitchen while he was away hmm

chillikat Thu 25-Oct-12 15:31:37

Ahh, I've finally got my afternoon MN session and a brew. M usually feeds to sleep about 1/1.30 but not today. Instead wriggled around twisting my nipple everywhere angry, hitting me and trying to put fingers in my mouth and up my nose. After unlatching her and shouting at her blush sad I eventually stomped out with her in the pram and she finally dropped off about 3. Now I'll need to wake her up about 4 or she won't be tired at bedtime and we want an early night again as she was a pita last night 3-4.30am too.

MrsWajs Fri 26-Oct-12 03:14:17

It will be on the christmas list ILTMI smile

We're just shagging (to coin a thread!) until January, if it happens before that then so be it, I'll just be having a sober 30th!! Promised DP I wouldn't chart/temp/go mental this time around. He doesn't even want to know when I'm ovulating, although it'll be hard for him not to notice when I'm up for it for like one week every month! Just going to count days so I know how long my cycles are. My pg with R was a total fluke anyway as I conceived the day ERTD was due to start and that took a year of CBFM, ov sticks, temping & FF etc so my body is a teeny bit unpredictable!! The month I did fall pg I hadn't been doing any monitoring at all so think I should just wing it this time around and not obsess except for maybe the 2ww I do think some of the TTC stres contributed to eventual PND as well and that's not somewhere I want to go again either. So nope just relaxed happy shagging for me smile

Are you a SAHM ILTMI? R gets shipped off to various grandparents all the time as DP and I are both working (almost) full time, I totally hate it sad Have been fortunate the last few weeks to be on nightshift as it means I have longer stretches of days off to spend with her.

Oh Chilli that doesn't sound like much fun sad Naughty M.

ILikeToMoveItMoveIt Fri 26-Oct-12 08:02:42

Yes I am a SAHM smile

Your dp not wanting to know your cycle made me chuckle, I think the majority of men are like that aren't they grin

I hope you had a better night chilli

First day of half term - hurrah. I am looking forward to not having to be all dressed and ready by a certain time, and no making packed lunches! The next week should be about seeing friends and not very much else. The extra pre school sessions have left ds pooped.

chillikat Fri 26-Oct-12 13:43:46

Last night wasn't too bad. She's got a cold which may have something to do with the wriggling, though it might be that she just wants to look at the radio hmm. And more importantly she's asleep now.

I think we might be joining the not trying club soon too (can we blame Kitty for getting us all broody again wink)

Hats off to ILike, JKS and Ali being SAHM - I think I'd go crackers, I'd enjoy going to playgroups but the occasional morning that I have off work when M is at nursery is bliss grin

GlaikitFizZombie Fri 26-Oct-12 13:47:34

How many calories do you think I would have burned at soft play hell this morning?? Knackered.com!!

Kittycatcat Fri 26-Oct-12 14:57:30

Loving those 'not trying' wink

My swab results still aren't back!! Grrr

Kittycatcat Fri 26-Oct-12 15:02:54

And they've just moved my 6 week appt to Wednesday instead of Monday. Grrr.

fraktion Fri 26-Oct-12 15:26:03

Grrr on your behalf kitty

Hats off to those FT SAHMs. I'm in month 2 and I really can't stand it! That may be because we're still half moved in. Crèche days save my sanity and I'm desperately trying to find a job. I think I need something to keep my brain active which isn't performing keyhole surgery I cars to remove crayons.

We're only 'not trying' because we have nothing to aim for. At what point do I start getting concerned? Yay MrsW and chilli! The race is on wink MrsW are you on the JS thread? I started that! <proud> It's weird seeing it go through it's various evolutions.

ILike so exciting for DS3 - very cute mental image there.

Ali enjoy your break.

UBW how's F feeling now?

M is going into his bed tonight. Eeek. I am concerned DH and I don't actually have a proper action plan. I may whack a single mattress in there and sleep on the floor for a week or so.

ILikeToMoveItMoveIt Fri 26-Oct-12 15:47:52

Frakk - I would personally only get concerned when I had a regular (for you) cycle, had sex when I knew I was ovulating, had a long enough leutal phase for implantation, but still wasn't getting pregnant.

But there again I am Mrs 28 day cycle who ovulates on day 14 with mittleschmerz - so there is no mistaking when I ovulate. I can really recommend a book called Taking Charge of Your Fertility by Toni someone or other. A great read and it has lots of 'troubleshooting' chapters to it - which also cover bf'ing iirc. I'll take a look at my copy and confirm that.

I enjoy being a SAHM, but since having ds3 I have been looking forward to resurrecting a career. I would have done it sooner but I cannot put a young baby in nursery/childcare. Maybe if I had to I would, but luckily I don't have to. I enjoy the freedom of being a SAHM, but more recently I have felt the need to rediscover me. That's part of the reason why I am Chair of our NCT district, it keeps my brain active. I just need to work out now what I am going to do hmm

ILikeToMoveItMoveIt Fri 26-Oct-12 16:16:51

Ok, I had a quick look at the book.

The book is about using charting to get pregnant and as contraception, and most of the bits relating to bf'ing concentrate on charting as contraception. But that doesn't matter as you still need to chart for ovulation signs.

Anyhoo, in brief, it seems there are two things that you can do.

1. Watch for changes in mucus. You may have a few false starts/anovulatory cycles before your cycle comes back.

2. Chart your temperature ( you have a temp spike when you ovulate).

All quite obvious really.

You may be one of the people whose cycle only comes back when you stop feeding completely?

fraktion Fri 26-Oct-12 16:57:37

I have TCOYF and am fairly familiar with signs of OV (hence recent hope despite no ERTD) but I'm just confuuuuuused. Charting is no good if you're constantly getting colds wink

If it happens it happens, if it doesn't I can live with a bigger age gap.

UnderwaterBasketWeaving Fri 26-Oct-12 17:28:15

Hello all!

I'm SO pleased it's finally half term!

Very exited for those on the cusp of TTCing! Our current plan is to stop at the one, but we'll review in a year or two.

It's mainly financial constraints.

I work ft. I've got huge respect for those who stay at home, I found mat leave hard enough! Although summer with a toddler was.pretty fun, and he's much more fun now generally! Also, I really love my job and want to continue. It now forms the majority of my identity. I was the main earner until v recently, which made the bulk of the decisions for us anyway. We were lucky that DHs hours meant f was only p/t with the cm for the first year whilst we both worked f/t.

F is much better now thanks! grin his temperature was down by weds night so he was back in nursery yesterday and today.

MrsWajs Sat 27-Oct-12 05:37:14

Frakk Don't give up hope on potential BFP just yet. I've probably said it before but I actually conceived R just I was due ERTD so didn't get a BFP til a full 2 weeks later. Don't know why that happened but it did and that was after 11 regular ish cycles.

I have days when I'd love to be a SAHM but mat leave confirmed to me that I would hate it! I was going mad by the time I returned to work! Do wish I could afford to work a couple less days though!

MrsWajs Sat 27-Oct-12 05:38:08

Oh and yes I have been lurking in JS wink

Starshaped Sat 27-Oct-12 06:55:51

What the heck does ERDT stand for confused I feel like a novice with this TTC business!

We're not trying yet but will start sometime in the new year. Our biggest limitations are childcare costs. Paying for two places in nursery for a lengthy period would be a real struggle, so that's holding us back a bit.

I'm not sure I'm cut out for SAHMhood. I love the thought of it but am not sure I'd cope! I currently work 4 days and although I love my day off with DD, sometimes looking after her is so relentless. I go to work for a break!

UnderwaterBasketWeaving Sat 27-Oct-12 08:13:00

Evil Red Tide of Doom, Star!

Took me a while to work that out too. Much less twee than AF.

It's nice to know I'm not the only one that feels that way, Star. In RL everyone seems to have lovely sleepy cooperative babies who they love being at home with. Me and F are freaks!

GlaikitFizZombie Sat 27-Oct-12 10:05:40

I go to work for a rest too! I'm actually considering upping my hours at work, not for financial reasons but because I want to show willing when the next round of promotions come up. Last week when I was off with B alone was so tiring!!

I know what you mean about your work being the majority of your identity UBW. Even though I dreaded going back to work after mat leave it really is a big part of my life.

In still on the fence on number 2 but last weeks snuggles with my friends newborn definitely stirred my ovaries a wee bit! But according to my GP no tccing u til I'm off the ADs.

Kittycatcat Sun 28-Oct-12 22:22:59

I want chocolate cake. The end.

<<passes Kitty a humongous slice of choc cake>>

Hope it helps smile

Kittycatcat Mon 29-Oct-12 03:41:07

Awful night with s last night. He ended up in with us. And he spent the entire day pretty much, moaning, melting down and crying. And my brother and his family came to visit so not v nice for them. S wouldn't do cuddles or anything. Think it's his teeth, just the back ones left and they are really causing him probs. his cheeks were v red yest and he's always got his fingers in his mouth. Se to be havin a better night so far <touch wood>, but we gave him teething gel and nurofen at bed time.
I'm hoping I'll get discharged at my 6 week check wed and we can start getting out and about again. Can't have been easy for s being home most of the time.

How's everyone else?

ILikeToMoveItMoveIt Mon 29-Oct-12 07:23:59

Sounds horrid Kitty.

Have you checked with your car insurance? A lot aren't worried about being discharged after section before you can drive.

Half term continous today ......

Kittycatcat Mon 29-Oct-12 08:26:26

I haven't ilike. I'll drive from Wednesday regardless. I've been allowing the extra time cos of lifting the boys in and out of the car. I've been alot more cautious this time round but that's more cos of s' weight. They said I shouldn't lift him til ten weeks which is ridic. A is 6 weeks today.

ILikeToMoveItMoveIt Mon 29-Oct-12 08:33:22

Ah yes, I didn't think about the whole lifting thing.

How is your scar doing?

Ds3 has a horrid cold which is making him miserable and grumpy - such fun!

Kittycatcat Mon 29-Oct-12 08:35:50

They are no fun at all when grumpy are they. sad

Scars on the mend at last tho the bit that was swabbed still hurts now and then (if I overdo it)

GlaikitFizZombie Mon 29-Oct-12 15:50:48

Oh kitty <offers chocolate hobnob> B I constantly gnawing his hands just now too so he must feeling his teeth, but touch wood, not been grumpy yet.

I was at a wool,y hug meet up today in Glasgow. More cake and chat than knitting but it was lovely. B is now recovering by having a nap and I'm having a cuppa and hobnob!

Watching the rolling news about hurricane sandy! Looks terrifying! I can't imagine New York being closed!

Kittycatcat Mon 29-Oct-12 16:06:53

Thanks grin. S just sleep for 2hrs40. Needed. I had an hour.

It's awful isn't it. sad

fraktion Mon 29-Oct-12 16:15:31

M had a huge sleep today as well. I dread bedtime now. Need to go and walk him for half an hour or so to tire him out again.

Glad the scar seems to be on the mend kitty do you know how to make microwave chocolate cake? Always helps me!

Fizz do you knit for wooly hugs? I would love to but being here makes it logistically difficult sad

GlaikitFizZombie Mon 29-Oct-12 16:25:39

I do Frak,there are knitters all over the world so don't let that Put you off. I only started knitting at the beginning of the year to join in with the blanket projects and I'm really enjoying it. Obviously the reason behind the blankets are so so sad, but I think it's really helped with my pnd, to have a hobby I and pick up and put down, that doesn't make too much mess, and releases a bit of stress.

If getting the yarn is the problem let me know and I can post to you.

Microwave chocolate cake????? smile

Kittycatcat Mon 29-Oct-12 18:14:04

Ooooo yeah. A cup of sugar so on. I've got the recipe somewhere. Oh god I need it NOW.

Kittycatcat Mon 29-Oct-12 18:17:32

cake recipe


4 tablespoons flour

4 tablespoons sugar

2 tablespoons cocoa

1 egg

3 tablespoons milk

3 tablespoons oil

3 tablespoons chocolate chips (optional)

a small splash of vanilla extract

1 large coffee mug

Add dry ingredients to mug, and mix well. Add the egg and mix thoroughly. Pour in the milk and oil and mix well. Add the chocolate chips (if using) and vanilla extract, and mix again.

Put your mug in the microwave and cook for 3 minutes at 1000 watts (high). The cake will rise over the top of the mug, but don't be alarmed! Allow to cool a little, and tip out onto a plate if desired.

EAT! (this can serve 2 if you want to feel slightly more virtuous). And why is this most dangerous cake recipe in the world? Because now we are all only 5 minutes away from chocolate cake at any time of the day or night!

GlaikitFizZombie Mon 29-Oct-12 18:19:28

B has just puked everywhere! I need chocolate cake!

Kittycatcat Mon 29-Oct-12 19:50:59

Awh no. Hugs to u both <passes choc cake>

fraktion Mon 29-Oct-12 20:55:13

sad fizz

I think I need cake too. M, as predicted, has only just gone down. It would be cute that he now says 'byebye milka' when he's drained one side followed by 'other side' to signal that he's not done but when you've done both sides 5 times it gets old. He did however say 'lie down' and went to sleep without the boob!

Oh and you should all fill this consultation in, even if you don't use and never even plan to use a nanny. I need parents to balance my stats thanks

ILikeToMoveItMoveIt Mon 29-Oct-12 21:39:20

I started to knit a couple of weeks ago, but mine isn't good enough for woolly hugs yet - it's truly shocking. I've wanted to knit for ages but the woolly hugs have spurred me on. Especially Bea's inspiring story.

It's ds1' remember day next week, so it's a crappy time of year for me, and reading Cupoftea's eloquent and equally heart breaking posts has been difficult <understatement> Such an amazing family.

It's lovely to hear how much you have enjoyed knitting and how much it has helped you Fizz smile

I did chuckle at M Frakk, but I know if that was me it would be driving me crackers.

I hope the puke is a one off Fizz. Poor B and poor whoever had to clear it up.

Daisy17 Tue 30-Oct-12 08:02:43

Think I'm going to need that cake today......any of you experienced mums out there have any good tips on tweaking a toddler's inner bodyclock?! What was a grim but bearable 530 is now a totally insupportable 430......despite bedtime having successfully gone forward an hour with no problems. Argh! sad Couldn't even get him to drop off in bed with me as I normally can. Just WIDE AWAKE and very cross about being "shtuck!" in his sleeping bag in the dark.....

Daisy17 Tue 30-Oct-12 08:05:04

However, there was no puking, for which I am eternally grateful. Hope all ok, Fizz. Tuesday hugs all round from Mrs Sleep Deprived Grumpy Pants......grin

UnderwaterCasketWeaving Tue 30-Oct-12 19:53:48

Oh no, hope the puking was short-lived, Fizz.

Frak, that sounds frustrating, I salute your stamina. I am mean. F gets one go on each side, and then hoofed off when I've had enough of him hanging on. I get all skin-Crawley after a while, it's weird.

Daisy, no suggestions, I'm afraid, unless you have an iPad, in which case beebies on iplayer or any Thomas game will often buy us another 10 mins or so. F's never been one for routine, but fortunately the earliest he starts demanding breakfast is 5ish (which is actually helpful on a normal weekday).

F's bedtime is the thing currently driving me insane. I wrote my rant out and then deleted it. And I feel better!

Also, is it just us where daddy is favourite?

fraktion Tue 30-Oct-12 20:03:06

No UBW we have daddydaddydaddy too! The other day he stood by the door for 5 minutes because DH went out for the evening wailing piteously 'daddyyyyy minute daddyyyyyy no work daddyyyyy'. Every time there's a sound at the door 'daddy?', every time I talk to DH in the phone 'daddy home?'. Except at nighttime. Then we want mama.

fraktion Tue 30-Oct-12 20:04:51

daisy I do a hard reset AKA keep them up late one night so their body clock adjusts to the new bed/waking up time. Persistent early waking often has other causes though. There is no way if be able to deal with 5am starts every day.

Daisy17 Tue 30-Oct-12 20:46:15

Thanks, guys. smile Frak intrigued by your other causes point, do elaborate!

GlaikitFizZombie Tue 30-Oct-12 20:49:47

Any man is preferable to me! Strangers in the park, the man in the shop, our borderline alcoholic neighbour all get the B charm! Where I am just big bad mummy who stops him running out in front of cars and generally spoiling his fun!!

Everything is da da da da da da, we do get mama but I'm pretty convinced he actually means banana!!

No more puke but cm reports not very pleasant nappies today, so I'll see how he is in the morning!

chillikat Tue 30-Oct-12 20:53:26

Daisy many sympathies sad M went through a stage of waking stupidly early, I think 5am was the worst but it's over (for now). Is he maybe a little cold - I worry about this with M and tend to put a thin blanket over her when we go to bed and she seems to be sleeping better now. I think 4-5am can be chilly and if you're on the verge of waking that could do it?

That said nap time wasn't good today - she has been sleeping about 2 hours recently but has been a struggle to get down - I've been feeding her to sleep when a long walk in the pushchair stopped working. Now she wriggles so much when feeding, putting her head one side, then the other, trying to climb onto me, etc all while latched on. This is only at nap time - morning and bedtime feeds are wriggle free, if anyone has any idea why or how to stop it I'd be grateful.

I'm envy (I think) of all the words that everyone else's toddlers seem to have - we still don't have much beyond 'hiya' and 'bye bye', I think 'daddy' might be a new addition but it's not very clear. Most of the time I'm translating various forms of 'gah' which generally seems to mean 'what's that?' or 'look at those pigeons'. She's got loads of understanding though, and today took a cake wrapper to the kitchen bin for me without being asked grin.

I'm trying to ignore the cake recipe.

Starshaped Tue 30-Oct-12 21:34:53

Daisy You have my sympathy too. DD is an early riser and 6:30 is a good morning in our house. Anything before 6am is just too early in my book, although nobody seems to have given her that memo hmm. I've got no useful advice though, sorry. When she's up early, I cling to the fact that an early start is better than being up in the night because at least it means I get a decent stretch of sleep. We've had a couple of bad nights recently and they really knocked me for six. I find them really hard to deal with now I'm used to her sleeping well.

DD swings between preferring 'Mama' or 'Dada' and we've noticed a direct correlation between her favourite and the person who frees her from her prison gets her up in the morning. Today was a 'Dada' day!

If DH is out, we get non stop 'Dadas' whenever she hears a door rattle or close. She's got quite a few little words now but they're all so bizarre - nothing that appears to be useful!

GlaikitFizZombie Tue 30-Oct-12 21:57:52

Any type of farm animal gets a pfffrrrrddd (think horse noise) duck, sheep chicken, cow and horse all pfffrrrrddds! We get ows whe he falls over and wows when pointing at things.

And he cannot walk/run anywhere without making some sort of noise! Usually an ah sound that wobbles as he bounces along! grin its cute!

Daisy17 Tue 30-Oct-12 22:23:30

Thanks for all your sympathy and ideas. Might try an extra pyjama top, chilli, that has crossed my mind. Think it's probably just a developmental stage issue......this too shall pass etc.....
Perhaps in an effort to keep me on side, a recent new word is "cuggle", normally uttered whilst standing infront of me with his blanky, holding his arms up.....those moments that make everything worthwhile! [Grin]

chillikat Tue 30-Oct-12 22:23:39

Actually we do have a range of animal noises - cow is bboowa confused, ducks go AHH-AHH - I blame the V-tech microphone. We also have lion, snake, dog and monkey - we read Dear Zoo lots can you tell? I'm teaching her that llamas blow raspberries hmm not sure if a giraffe makes much noise though.

I also hear uh-oh a lot, usually with lots of sultanas scattered across the floor.

Daisy17 Tue 30-Oct-12 22:24:41

grin even

Kittycatcat Wed 31-Oct-12 01:30:54

Oh yes. 'daddy?'. All day. Me=daddy's gone to work. To... Where's daddy? Daddy comes home. All smiles until bath time then wants mummy.
I'm feeling a but bleurgh. Headache started yest pm. Hurts when I move. And I feel a bit sick. Hope it's nothing!

Daisy17 Wed 31-Oct-12 08:21:06

Please send some Daddy favouritism my way, please - DP's turn to get up with him this morning only he threw such a prolonged mummy tantrum I had to take over......still, in happier news it was only 530 this morning. Can't believe I view that as an improvement....! shock

Daisy17 Wed 31-Oct-12 08:22:16

Poor Kitty, fingers crossed it blows over quickly. Hugs. X.

fraktion Wed 31-Oct-12 08:27:06

Daisy Early waking might be:

Temperature - either cold or heating coming on
Some kind of external noise - birdsong, bin men, noisy neighbour
Wet nappy/waking needing a wee

fizz I shall PM you re: wool. I've looked in every wool shop (there are 3 here! 3!!!! grin) but I can't find the right stuff. Maybe it's just know by different brands? But I wouldn't want to chance it. I'll post on the wooly hugs threads too.

We had daddyitis so bad this morning M cried for nearly an hour when DH went to work and then made himself sick sad so I cuddled him in bed and he's dropped off to sleep so I'm debating whether to wake him or not. It's 9.30 but he was up nearly 2 hours before his usual wakeup time before falling back to sleep just before 8.15...

Kittycatcat Wed 31-Oct-12 08:44:37

Blimey frak. Poor thing.

I feel better today but I haven't been up long. Felt awful in the night. Hot and cold. Tummy ache. Nausea. Alex had a bad night too.

Got my six week postnatal check with the hv and six week check at the docs this morning. Then driving to the inlaws for lunch. First car journey on my own with the boys.

fraktion Wed 31-Oct-12 08:51:11

Oh dear kitty sad Hope the appointments go well and that S and A behave themselves in the car for you.

Today I need to pack for a long weekend in Paris!! Can't wait to catch up with friends and just be generally Parisian again.

Alibabaandthe40nappies Wed 31-Oct-12 08:51:43

chilli - no-one I know has come up with a satisfactory giraffe noise grin T thinks all animals are elephants and so they are greeted with the appropriate trumpeting plus an arm raise for the trunk. Except ducks, we have a different sound for those!
T's speech is about the same as DS1's was at this age. Some really clear words and quite a few that need more deciphering. Fizz I grinned like mad at your description of B running along 'Ahhhhing', T does that when he is cross

Daisy - I agree with Frak, I would keep him up as long as you can one night.

Hope you feel better this morning kitty

We had a brilliant time away, so so relaxing and the boys actually slept really well. DH back to work today so I'm having a duvet day with the boys while I work my way through the laundry mountain. Loving not having to be on the school run!

However, our shower has been leaking, for years seemingly, slowly slowly through the tiles and behind the shower controls. The whole wall is wet and black with mould when you look behind the bath panel, and the plumber thinks it might also be on the other wall that backs onto the boys bedrooms. AAAAAARRRRGGGGHHH.
Mum and Dad are up tomorrow, and the plumber is coming to re-grout so that it can't get any worse, so while they are here and can boy-wrangle I'm going to phone our insurance company and see if we can make a claim to get it fixed.

fraktion Wed 31-Oct-12 10:13:24

Aaaaaargh in spades, Ali! Poor you having to deal with that. Focus on the duvet day though smile

Here's something to make you laugh. M can't say 'th' or 'nk'. Consequently thank you sounds remarkably like fuck you. He's just spent 5 mins running round going 'fuck-a-you fuck-a-you'

Daisy17 Wed 31-Oct-12 10:27:07

In this house we tell the time by looking at cocks, apparently........
Might try the drastic reset, thank you, though have horrible feeling he'll just wake up at 5 in a really bad mood!

Starshaped Wed 31-Oct-12 11:07:56

We have a whole menagerie of animal noises and a rather elaborate impression for a giraffe! grin

That sounds like a nightmare Ali - I hope the insurance company play ball at least.

JoEW Wed 31-Oct-12 12:11:03

Ladies! Hello all.

Once again, it's been ages since I posted, sorry.

Kitty, hope you are feeling better today. It sounds as though you've been having a tough time of it. Remember, it all starts getting easier soon! I love the photos you've put on FB, you have a beautiful family.

Ali, really hope you manage to get that sorted on the insurance, sounds grim. Glad you had a nice holiday too. Enjoy the duvet day!

Chilli, C sounds similar, we have muh muh (which is simply a demand for anything he wants), daddy, uh-oh (coupled with something thrown on the floor) and duck. That's about it but he can sort of copy other words, there are a few others that are not really possible to make out but I know them. All animals roar, without exception. We also have Dear Zoo, C loves it! I did ask his nursery if they thought he was obviously behind (I am obsessed with his development as he was so late with things in the early days) and they didn't seem to think so at all.

Daisy we also had a run of early wakings, it's hellish. We tried not to go in unless he was sounding unhappy, if he was just chatting to the toys we'd leave him to it. He did stop after a while. I also tend to put a blanket over C when we go to bed as I am sure he gets a bit chilly in the early hours, give that a go.

Frak, enjoy Paris!! Lovely, lovely, lovely.

Ilike, thinking of you at this time of year. I hope your remember day for DS1 is special.

Hope bedtime improves, UWB. You can rant away here! C is a total mummy's boy. Daddy is alright, at times, but mummy is best. Sometimes I feel sorry for DH as there are times when only I will do.

SA trip was great but I really missed C. He was a bit out of sorts for a while when I got home and uber clingy.

Oh, and good look for the TTC gang!! Can't wait for the next BIG NEWS.

Sorry for the mega post. x

JoEW Wed 31-Oct-12 12:23:12

good luck, not good look. Jeez.

GlaikitFizZombie Wed 31-Oct-12 14:19:50

Frak no.problem pm re the wool. I actually have some in my stash so I could post off to you if you want it.for.cups blanket.

fraktion Wed 31-Oct-12 15:47:14

I think it's ok actually fizz. I posted in the thread asking if anyone knew whether they were called something different in France and pistey is matching me with a donor. I just hope it will arrive in time. Thank you for the offer to post though smile

UnderwaterCasketWeaving Wed 31-Oct-12 19:14:44

Hi Jo!

Kitty I hope you're feeling better, the appointments were productive and your trip out went smoothly.

It seems F can 'do' language (yep, the boy that didn't even roll over till he was 10mo hmm)

Both DM and MIL maintain that DH and I were both speaking in sentences by 18mo. But I guess that much like "sleeping through the night", it probably depends on your definitions. F has a heap of words and is stringing some together. I can't say we've done anything in particular to encourage it, so there's probably a strong genetic element. (Like bed wetting. Which I can guarantee you now will not be a field we'll win!)

He does, however, constantly me and DH by our cm's name. Which is incredibly wearing.

Kittycatcat Wed 31-Oct-12 21:09:40

Hi everyone.

frak have a fab time

ali nightmare. We had our loo leaking into the living room for aaaaages. Insurance paid for repair to living room but nothing in bathroom. Same when shower leaked into living room. Yeah great builders.

jo sounds like c is doing really well

Loving all the words. A is coming along brilliantly.

I don't need anti bs. She's happy it's healing. And I've been discharged, whoop.
Lovely drive.

Tomorrow it's ten years since I met dh. grin

Kittycatcat Thu 01-Nov-12 14:23:00

I seem to have caught the tummy bug. Guess that's what I've been building up to.

chillikat Thu 01-Nov-12 15:07:57

Oh dear Kitty hope you're ok.

OK, so how do you get toddlers to nap if they won't feed to sleep? She just doesn't seem to want it anymore at nap time. I decided to have my lunch before trying today, but she was still to wriggly. She eventually dropped off in the pram but if it's raining...

At night she has a feed then I send DH in to sing to her.

Starshaped Thu 01-Nov-12 20:03:14

Hope you're ok kitty - tummy bugs are rotten.

Tricky one chilli... I think people do it differently depending on their feelings on controlled crying. We did do a little bit of it (nothing too hardcore) a few months ago and it made the world of difference to DD's sleep. She now normally self settles without fuss at bedtime and goes off for naps with only a minute or so of grizzling. Of course there are some days when she doesn't go off and as she's usually pretty good, we always cuddle her to sleep on these days because we think it means she needs it.

Obviously this approach isn't for everybody (and I think we were quite lucky because it wasn't too awful - certainly no hours of crying) and might not be for you. If it isn't, have you looked at the No Cry No Sleep Solution? I can't find my copy at the min but am pretty sure there's a section on toddlers in it.

chillikat Thu 01-Nov-12 20:26:40

I think I'd be the one who'd end up crying. I have tried just dumping her in the cot and leaving her but she'll just stand and shout, throw teddy around, etc. I'd end up going back in lying her down and probably lose patience with her within 15 minutes and end up shouting at her to 'just go to sleep'. She seems to like being patted but again I've not got the stamina (or rhythm) to do it for long. I suppose I need to psych myself up for a lost afternoon or two and hope she gets it. Or just keep trudging round the Avenues looking at all the houses we can't quite afford...

Starshaped Thu 01-Nov-12 20:50:20

I understand - I had a little weep at one point while we were doing it too. I did it at nap times rather than bedtimes (she was still BFing to sleep in the evening at the time) because it seemed less awful in the day time somehow.

I know they pat the little ones to sleep at nursery so maybe that it is worth a try. It might be awful at first but I'm sure it'll get easier and less knackering with time!

DD was an awful napper before we cracked it - she always woke after about 45 mins and seemed permanently knackered. She now often naps for two glorious hours after lunch, tis brill!

UnderwaterCasketWeaving Thu 01-Nov-12 20:51:31

Hope you're already over the worst, Kitty. Stomach bugs are the absolute worst.

Chilli, that's what F's been doing at bedtime recently. It drives me insane.

F is now demanding we rub his back, which I don't mind while he's lying quietly with his eyes closed. But after a while he starts handing me his toys or asking for a book, or getting up, etc.

The only effective thing I've found is to sit in his room (so we don't get the constant "Mummy, mummy, mummy, daddy, daddy, mummy..." Which then leads to wailing. And I can mn/read while repeating "lie down, close your eyes..." Etc. This takes about 30 mins (to an hour) but seems to be the most agreeable option on everyone's part.

Kittycatcat Thu 01-Nov-12 21:33:51

We use music with s. he used to be a nightmare. I started with pick up put down but at 6.5 months flipped and let him cry. He cried for ten mins first time, then 3 then slept and has been fine since. I used to sing row ur boat while rocking him so I recorded that onto his intercom. He goes to sleep to it now and if he won't settle. Good luck.

MrsWajs Thu 01-Nov-12 21:52:37

I'll join you in stomach bug hell kitty i started at 4 this morning with cramps and diarrhoea which has now progressed to passing blood in my stool. Drs are relatively unconcerned and have told me i most likely have a fissure or pile - this was all via phone appt obviously!!
I'm not happy with this explanation as blood + pain = bad in my mind so going to go back tomorrow morning for a second opinion. I'll obviously look a bit melodramatic if i do just have a pile but hey ho!

On the speech front R seems to be coming on leaps & bounds and like UBW we haven't really done anything specific with her. This morning she brought a piece of paper and a cotton bud to me while i was in the bathroom and said "draw picture", she'll also count to 4 while going up and down steps! I'm incredibly proud grin

Kittycatcat Thu 01-Nov-12 22:21:42

mrsw I suffer with ibs and piles and I do bleed but it could also gastroenteritis (sp). I've had those symptoms with that before. You def need to get checked.
I actually pood myself a tiny but earlier blush fortunately I was just out of the shower! I think it's affecting a as hes getting terrible pains. He's always had trouble but I put it down to his tt but the last few days have been awful. He's screaming in pain. I've got gripe water but it's not easy to get down him.

Kittycatcat Fri 02-Nov-12 18:10:17

Me again. S is off his food (unless it's chocolate or cake). Amd he has a blood shot eye on the tear duct area. Runny nappy yesterday but had lots lately cos of his teeth. And fell asleep cuddled up to me in the chair earlier which he never does. Only slept for half hour and hasn't mapped since. Ideas?

Carrot cake for one of his 5 a day..... Sorry not helpful!

If he is feeling crappy I would just give him what he wants. B has just had fish fingers and mash for his tea because he refused the beautiful chicken stew I made point blank!

If you think his eye is conjunctivitis give him his own towel and flannel to avoid the rest of you getting it. If he'll let you, bathe his eye is a salt water solution. But if he is anything like B he run a mile! And pick upo something at the chemists tomorrow.

And plenty to drink, milk or water. If I'm worried about Bs fluid intake I add a tiny, and I mean tiny, amount of squash to his water. But let him see me doing it, so he can see its "special" and he will drink that in a flash.

Hope you are all on the mend soon.

Urgh, dh out at a work thing tonight so I was left to do bedtime alone, all was going good guns, bar B putting both legs through one leg hole, then he slipped walking up stairs, cried, coughed and the puked all ove himself, me the stairs and the upstairs landing.

Got hims tripped bathed him again quickly, clean jamas on. Just had a shower myself. I'm hoping that's him down now sad

Should say I did fix the leg situation before sending him upstairs!!

Kittycatcat Fri 02-Nov-12 20:23:40

Oh no fizz. Not what u need. Did lol at the image of him walking like that.

Thanks. There no way he will let me. I'll show him to the pharmacist tomorrow. He drinks quite well. He has 'tea' with me in the morning and always had his water handy and asks for more when it's low.

Taught s to 'cheers' yest. Tonight he was doing it with his dinner bowl!!

ILikeToMoveItMoveIt Sat 03-Nov-12 08:56:28

Hope you're feeling better mrsW brew

I also hope the poorly babies are on the mend too. Both boys here have colds, ds3 has particularly vile thick green snot. Both had a vapour plug-in in their rooms last night, so upstairs smells lovely. And both slept from 7-7.30 - hurrah!

We're off to buy fireworks today <excited>

Oooooh, forgot to mention kitty, you and my sister have a mutual friend on FB <small world emoticon>

Kittycatcat Sat 03-Nov-12 10:44:59

Blimey I shall nose

ILikeToMoveItMoveIt Sat 03-Nov-12 12:04:29

Both me and your friend were on a thread my sister started. When your friend put a comment on the thread I got a FB notification and it mentioned you were a friend of hers - something I had never noticed on notifications before.

Kittycatcat Sat 03-Nov-12 12:48:40

Strange. Oddly the friend in q is the reason I changed my name briefly!

Funny you should mention that iLike! You have a friend who is friends with one of my friends too! <even smaller world>

It may be that she is some sort of professional person y have both used, rather than an actual friend though!

ILikeToMoveItMoveIt Sat 03-Nov-12 15:03:39

Ooooh, tell me more Fizz.

In Edinburgh and looks like a dancer of some sort, you would maybe use her services on a hen night initials A G.

I think this proves you are the all seeing eye and the key to life itself!!

ILikeToMoveItMoveIt Sat 03-Nov-12 16:02:53

Ha ha, no not a professional contact. We grew up together.

Six degrees of separation and all that grin

Small world indeed then my friends Aberdeen born and bred so I wonder how she knows her??

Sorry I kinda made her sound sleazy that's not what I think at all!

ILikeToMoveItMoveIt Sat 03-Nov-12 18:54:06

We come from a sleepy Suffolk village and she comes from a well known family in that village, so I can tell you her profession raised a lot of eyebrows! She was always the wild child at school.

I never knew I was the key to life itself, maybe I should put it on my CV?! grin

Starshaped Sat 03-Nov-12 21:20:45

I am intrigued by your mutual friend's profession...I want to Facebook herself myself <nosey> grin

Kittycatcat Sun 04-Nov-12 00:09:59

Argh. S has been sick. All over himself and his bed. Thankfully bear was safe. Had to put the lot duvet and all in the machine. Typically dh is out. Fortunately A stayed asleep in his swing while I sorted S out. Now feeding A while S lays in his cot to his music but he's not sleeping. Called dh to come home but he will be a couple of hours probably. Long night coming up I feel.

UnderwaterBasketWeaving Sun 04-Nov-12 00:16:44

Oh no, Kitty. Hope it's a one-off randomer.

MrsWajs Sun 04-Nov-12 02:47:27

I am feeling much better now thanks ILTMI so much so that I am back at work tonight but only for one shift - hurrah!
Am a bit peeved that this bug may have interfered with my TTC plans for the month though! Pretty sure ov may have passed, or with any luck is about now but have been out of action for the last 2 nights and am now at work tonight so might be missing the window as we speak!!

Eugh to vomitting toddler Kitty Hope he's settled a bit now and there's no more sick sad

So how are the early rising babies toddlers doing?? I tried Frakks suggestion of a "master reset"...........epic fail!! She went to bed at 10.30pm and still got up at 6.45 so giving us an extra 20 or so minutes sleep....yay <totally unconvincing> shockangry She then proceeded to be a grumpy little bissim for the rest of the day!!!
Is this going to end soon or is this my life now, starting the day at 6am every morning?! I am amazed that these days I'd consider 8am a long lie!!

<yawn> I'm in the pre 6am club today!

What makes it worse is that we were out last night to the cinema and only got to bed just before one <yawn>

He's been sick again sad but I'm pretty sure it's linked to his cough rather than a bug. It goes coughing fit - bit of sick - up and running again quickly!

I feel sick this morning, but that might be more to do with dealing with sick at this ungodly hour. I wish I took yesterday morning now ..........

ILikeToMoveItMoveIt Sun 04-Nov-12 08:18:55

Poor you and B, Fizz. A lot of babies vomit when they have mucusy colds and coughs. Hopefully his cough will go soon.

Glad to hear you're feeling better MrsW. I have found putting the boys to bed late has never worked either, and they also wake up earlier the next morning - aaarrrggghh. Unfortunately you have to find what works for your lo. I've found they have phases of waking early, so no, I don't think this is your lot!

Talking to other parents most children seem to settle into a more predictable sleep pattern by the time they are two. I also just accept that I won't get long lazy lie-ins whilst I have young children and dh and I take turns at getting up with them. I also go to bed early! Although I imagine doing shift work interferes with your sleep patterns too.

I hope last night improved for you kitty. it's tough when you do it on your own. It's when I have times like that that I realise how amazing lone parents are.

It's raining here today, so I have no idea what we are going to get up to today.

ILikeToMoveItMoveIt Sun 04-Nov-12 08:19:55

Oh and the FB friend is a pole dancing teacher grin

Kittycatcat Sun 04-Nov-12 09:03:06

Absolutely hissing down here and has all night. Ended up bringing s in with us. Dh not much use when he got in. Incoherent. Then I couldn't wake him so had to get S myself. He did try getting up with s when he woke inconsolable. But s wasn't having it so both back to bed but s wouldn't settle. I eventually lost it and said as he was crying to put him back in his cot. Dh said really? So I lost my rag and put s back myself. Dh then cuddled up to me and got ignored. Then A decided he didnt want to be in his cot. S screamed and cried himself back to sleep and is still there. I hope he's ok. This is one he of a lay in. I'm worried but dh useless and I'm stuck feeding A.

Daisy17 Sun 04-Nov-12 13:13:33

Hugs, Kitty. X.

fraktion Sun 04-Nov-12 15:19:48

<cuddles kitty>

It'll be fine. It was one bad night but you've all come through it intact smile

MrsW 10.30 is late even by my reset standards! What time dies at go down in the evening?

Sniggering quietly at the idea of a sleepy Suffolk village pole dance teacher. I just can't stop imaging old ladies and middle-aged housewives surreptitiously queuing up for lessons in floral pinnies. I'm sure it was the other kind of stir though grin

DH has buggered of for a week now. Lucky sod.

I have a dilemma. You might remember I landed myself with organising the church parenting group. The next meeting is in ablut 10 days but we still don't have anyone to host it or prep the questions as the mum who was going to do it now won't be there. So I suggested moving the date which got mixed responses. The thing is I now have a meeting I should attend, in Reading, that's lunchtime which is a precursor to meetings with Liz Truss et al. So there is no way I can get back to Normandy for that meeting. I can either abuse my position and say we are moving it because it's convenient for me or I can not go to this meeting which would make me very unpopular indeed. Neither is a particularly palatable suggestion.

ILikeToMoveItMoveIt Sun 04-Nov-12 21:26:53

If you are the one organising it Frakk, change the date. The meeting would be a bit pointless without you wouldn't it?

Sounds like a shit night from hell Kitty,i hope today got better for you all.

MrsWajs Sun 04-Nov-12 23:45:01

Hmm frak maybe i kept her up too late and she was overtired so didn't sleep well!? Normal bed time is about 7.30!
However having said that DP and R stayed at my mum & dads last night while i was working and she woke at 6.30 but everyone ignored her so she went back to sleep til 8.30!! So, tomorrows plan is to try ignorance!!

Your night sounds terrible kitty hope tonights better and that DH is of more use!

UnderwaterBasketWeaving Sun 04-Nov-12 23:48:37

Boo. Half term is over. Alarm is set for 5:45.

Let's hope F lets me sleep tonight.

Kittycatcat Mon 05-Nov-12 03:30:06

I've just woken up with A sprawled awkwardly in my arms where he must have fallen after his last feed, I'm worried he's going to get hurt. We've got the appt for his toes this morning.
S woke once so far. Dh checked on him and he was the wrong way round in the cot. He's settled since. Fingers crossed for the rest of the night.

Good luck mrsw

I say move the meeting frak.

We ignore MrsW, unless he is screaming. Pathetic whining usual ends up with him going back to sleep. This mornin the heard dh get up for work at 6.30. He dadadadadada'd for a wee while and he went back to sleep until 8! Much more sociable.

Although his toy of choice this. Or ing is my, which now appears to be his confused, tambourine. <earplugs in>

Kittycatcat Mon 05-Nov-12 12:06:44

Back from toe appt. All ok. We go back in two years. I said what to look out for he said sometimes the toes bend. I said mine do that. Let's have a look he said. So I have mild webbing to the same toes as A. 37 years old and never knew.

MrsWajs Mon 05-Nov-12 19:51:36

If it was just a bit of whining Fizz I'd easily let her get on with it but she seems to be going through a phase of just waking up full on crying sad Today was a slightly more respectable 7.15 so shouldn't complain but I didn't get to sleep til half 12 as she was awake at midnight and needing settled.

Alibabaandthe40nappies Mon 05-Nov-12 20:18:45

Kitty smile Does that make you feel better about it all?
How's the scar?

T is a horror for waking at 5ish and wanting to chat for an hour, then go back to sleep. Seems to be a bit better recently, although we had thr most horrific night with him Saturday because he was bunged up and wheezing sad

What do you lot do about discipline? T feels too young to start with time out, but he is getting wilfully naughty. We go with distraction mostly, but there isn't always time when I'm rushing to get DS1 somewhere or go and pick him up.

Kittycatcat Mon 05-Nov-12 20:23:35

It really does ali. I felt like I'd done something wrong. I think the scar is as good as it'll get now.

I do form no cos he's too young to understand the step but I'll do that as soon as he can. I also ignore him at times.

ILikeToMoveItMoveIt Mon 05-Nov-12 21:31:57

Glad you feel better about the toes Kitty Do you know who you get it from, and therefore can blame?!

Ali - I always say no where necessary, but swiftly move on to distraction as at the moment saying no doesn't stop him. I've never got on with the naughty step, but I know it works for others when the children are older. Distraction and praising good behaviour and mostly ignoring undesirable behaviour seem to work best for us. How is ds1 doing at school? Settling in ok I hope smile

Ds3 has done the odd 5 & 6am wake ups. Luckily he quickly goes back to sleep with just a cuddle. I think he gets cold and that wakes him up. Grobag have just started selling a 3.5tog bag, but it's £40. That is a bloody criminal amount - and I can fritter money with the best of them.

Kittycatcat Tue 06-Nov-12 00:04:17

Um no not really. I don't know my dad and I'm guessing that's where it's from.

Kittycatcat Tue 06-Nov-12 12:24:46

S has a tummy bug sad. Got doc to look at my scar and it's all healed grin

Alibabaandthe40nappies Tue 06-Nov-12 12:53:48

kitty - yay for a healed scar! Boo for tummy bug sad

I do try ignoring, but he wrecks the house! I will have to just persevere with 'no' and distraction for now. He is getting slightly better at amusing himself with toys rather than by destroying the house grin

DS1 is settling really well ILike smile He loves school, has made new friends, and has really come on well with drawing/writing/art/craft which is not something he was ever interested in doing either at home or at preschool, so we're really pleased. School seem to understand him which is probably the most important thing!
We have just embarked on the reading scheme, and I am determined to like the characters because I'm going to be hearing about them for the next 5 years or so by the time T is done with them grin

ILikeToMoveItMoveIt Tue 06-Nov-12 13:47:19

It's not Biff & Chip is it? The early years books are sooooooooo bloody boring, the plots are terrible grin Glad to hear he's doing well. M seems to be really coming to his own at pre school this year. It's lovely to watch isn't it, your baby finding their own way in the world <sigh>

Yay for scar healing, boo for stomach bug. There are so many annoying bugs about. Either ds3 has had a constant cold for a fortnight or he has had about 3 colds on the trot.

It's proper chilly here today, we had the first frost of the season. I love this time of year grin

Alibabaandthe40nappies Tue 06-Nov-12 13:52:02

yy - Biff, Chip and Kipper. Or Kip and Chipper as I keep calling them by mistake grin

It is lovely grin Glad M is coming into his own too smile So cute to watch them with their friends. DS1 has developed this habit of going up and clapping his male friends on the shoulder when he greets them, which makes him look 4 going on 40 grin

Right that is enough PFB waffling from me for today blush

ILikeToMoveItMoveIt Tue 06-Nov-12 14:16:45

Waffle away Ali smile

chillikat Tue 06-Nov-12 14:54:41

Aahhh smile just time for a quick brew and MN before another viewer arrives. This is no/2 this week and another booked for Thursday. Had someone round for a 2nd view on Saturday who seems really keen. And now we think we've found somewhere but we're worried it'll go before we get an offer.

Not much other news here.

Glad the scar is healed Kitty smile

Alibabaandthe40nappies Tue 06-Nov-12 15:14:29

ILike incase I don't post tomorrow, I'll be thinking of you all ((hug))

Kittycatcat Wed 07-Nov-12 03:49:28

Well isn't this fun. I've been up with A since 1250.

Thinking of you today ilike

fraktion Wed 07-Nov-12 08:24:42

<hugs Ilike>

kitty That means you got to see all the tense bits of the American election. Damn MN for going offline just as it was called!

Thinking of you all In the ILike house tonight.

Dh and I have fallen out. I'm not entirely sure what about Nd its most likely caused by the fact B was awake until 3 am this morning meaning we havent had much sleep. Dh got a bit tetchy with B as he struggled to get hi. Dressed after his bath, so I thought I'd go and relieve him because he sounded stressed. Now he thinks I think he might have Lost his temper with him if i hadnt gone up. Which is not what I think at all. I thought I was helping.

I know it's because we are tired, but I feel like shit. Plus he's feeling guilty because his train was cancelled at the last minute tonight and instead of letting me know so I could leave work early to pick b up at normal time he just didn't bother letting anyone know he was going to be 20 minutes late to pick him up. So I've had to profusely apologise to a pissed off childminder and dh is pissed off because I'm pissed off she's pissed off. I don't want her to think we are taking the mick as she is good when it comes to having him extra if need be and I dropped hi. Early today because work have this ridiculous new parking rota thing that means we have to park miles away and be shuttle bussed back to the building I work in. If I were her I'd be pissed off too.

Jeez, sorry for the rant, and the typos. I'm heading to bed I think!

Kittycatcat Wed 07-Nov-12 22:13:29

Rant away fizz. Is everything ok now? You'll feel better after a good nights sleep which I hope you get. Dh told me to calm down in the night. He's lucky I didn't punch him. I'd been up two hours at that point. <hugs>

<sheepishly skulks back in> sorry again! Everything seemed much worse last night! I had all sorts going through my head. Spoke to childminder today and she is fine with us. Assured me yesterday was ok and she's just had a bad week because she can't say no to people. But I've already started the ball rolling to change my hours so I'm not finishing so late in the evenings because even picking b up at six he has already started to get grumpy and we are in the door and he's wanting his milk and bed. It's not fair on him.

Dh reacts worse than me to losing sleep, so that's explains his demeanour last night. We'll have a prop cht about everything over the weekend and well be fine.

B has done his best Rambo impression again today and took a header across the nursery playground this morning. Resulting in a nose that would give rudolf a run for his money and another bump on his forehead! He must have been a kamikaze in a previous life!!

Kittycatcat Thu 08-Nov-12 13:33:23

No need for apologies.

I've got a lady from the children's centre coming round to teach me baby massage at 2.

Think S is over his bug. Whoop.

Kittycatcat Thu 08-Nov-12 15:52:31

Baby massage lady 'these houses are small aren't they-my flats about the same size'. RUDE.

fraktion Thu 08-Nov-12 16:21:27

Very! Hope the actual massaging was good though, kitty

Poor you, fizz you sounded very stressed last night. Glad things are a bit better now. Your description of B made me smile which is terrible, I know, but I know exactly the kind of move you're talking about.

Why do houses get so messy? Why is there so much laundry? Why are we still not unpacked and moved in? Why did I agree to go away next week instead of insisting we go and buy bookshelves etc?!

Kittycatcat Thu 08-Nov-12 17:02:31

Meh. a had a grump. We did a leg and his tummy. I fed him and he pood, then was fine but time was up. She's back next week.

I was just saying this am will our house ever be tidy again!

Think we are going to the zoo tomorrow. Can't wait grin

See I wasn't very tidy before B so it doesn't seem too different to me!

I was stressed last night but that was lack of sleep talking! B has been a grump since he woke from his nap. Skyped my sister and he screamed the whole time so we cut that short! Dh will be home soon so I can leave him to get tea ready for us! We are having some Jake and the Nederland pirates time! I would really like some of that pixie dust! smile

Alibabaandthe40nappies Thu 08-Nov-12 18:15:42

Fizz we've just been watching Jake here, while the boys eat a Happy Meal each.

<awards self Mother-Of-The-Year-Badge> grin

I am poorly, DS1 is knackered from a mega busy day and I fell asleep this afternoon while T napped before the school run instead of sorting out the kitchen and sorting something for tea.

DH and I have daft rows about things when we're sleep deprived like that, and it all feels a mountain and then is better after some sleep!

kitty - fuck me that is immensely rude! shock

UnderwaterBasketWeaving Thu 08-Nov-12 20:41:40

Sorry you're feeling rubbish Ali.

And rant it out any time, Fizz! It's good for you.

I've just tried the 5minute mug cake... Oh My God how on earth have I lived for so long without this?! I just wish we had some cream or custard to go with it.

Man, that hits the spot...

fraktion Thu 08-Nov-12 21:00:46

I have a bowl of that right now UBW

Hugs needed all round I think.

<rant coming up> I'm getting fed up again, DH is travelling so much and I'm shit when he's in and out, dropping off dirty laundry, making mess and leaving, whinging that he's tired from travelling. If he'd deployed I'm fine, but I can't cope with the hassle without the support and his bloody sense of duty!!!! He better be lining himself up for a nice well paid job for when he comes out. I can cope with this if they triple his salary wink

Kittycatcat Thu 08-Nov-12 21:25:41

Sending big hugs xx

fraktion Thu 08-Nov-12 21:44:36


My mother just managed to stress me hugely over car seats. I know I'm fanatical about car safety but she wants to put M into some cheapy own brand mothercare seat because he'll only use it occasionally. Yes, ok, cost per use etc BUT we drive to and from Heathrow on the M4 with manic lorry drivers. I'm not risking it!

UnderwaterBasketWeaving Thu 08-Nov-12 23:31:18

I get you, Frak, and a decent one isn't that expensive in the grand scheme of things.

We bought a birth-4 extended rear facing one...

...And now have in forward facing in the middle to try to reduce the vom.

I spose we've got it in case we have a second...!

Alibabaandthe40nappies Thu 08-Nov-12 23:58:39

Frak I always find it bizarre that people look to save money on car seats, while spending fairly indiscriminately on other things - you see threads about it from time to time. Not saying that is what your mother is doing, but it is the last area you look to cut corners, surely!

I can't get to sleep, my sinuses are killing me. I only get this with colds since I've got older, what is that about?

What is everyone buying for the DCs for Christmas? We have tons of ideas for DS1, but we're a bit stuck for T - except Thomas the Tank Engine things.

UnderwaterBasketWeaving Fri 09-Nov-12 00:02:01

Ah, the Thomas obsession has arrived here too.

We were thinking of a play kitchen and/or cars & road mat. And some Thomas stuff...

Kittycatcat Fri 09-Nov-12 03:11:25

_Ali get some sudafed. It's a great decongestant.

We have bought S a cleaning trolley winkit's a zanussi one from ELC. Was half price with a further 10% off. Also got me a happy land castle and police station and etch a sketch from an nct sale. My mum has bought him a sling bookcase that matches his toy box. She's got A his own toyboxes that matches s's.


Play tent and tunnel should be arriving today! Some wooden blocks, arts and craft stuff. My parents are buying him his own armchair hmm dsis has said she has got him a drum kit hmmhmm dbro asked if he was too young for an iPod!! I worry sometimes about him!

Starshaped Fri 09-Nov-12 07:06:57

Don't laugh at the armchair Fizz - we have one here and DD loves it!

I'm trying not to go overboard this Christmas. I've bought some Happyland stuff, books and art and craft materials.

I know, he will love it, but she first wanted to get a chesterfield style leather one that wouldn't go with anything in our house! We have settled on an animal print one with removable covers!

Starshaped Fri 09-Nov-12 07:25:32

Haha brilliant! Ours is a cheapo Ikea jobbie. Yours sounds like something more special! Where do you even buy a miniature leather Chesterfield couch?!? confused

Wait a mo and I'll get the link!

Cyclebump Fri 09-Nov-12 07:35:35

Hi all, I've been offline for months as the parent group and life in general is keeping me waaaaaay busy!

Can't believe it's our babies' second Christmas coming up, time has flown!

www.maisonsdumonde.com/UK/en/produits/fiche/silver-children-s-armchair-chesterfield-116287.htm not this exact one, but similar! I would actually have this one I the house!

Cyclebump Fri 09-Nov-12 07:44:09

Jojo maman bebe do sweet children's armchairs and beanbag chairs. H would love one I reckon!

Kittycatcat Fri 09-Nov-12 08:15:02

<waves at cycle>

Kittycatcat Fri 09-Nov-12 08:15:41

My nan has bought s a table chair combo. I have no idea where I will put everything!

Kittycatcat Fri 09-Nov-12 08:16:52

Omg I want the chesterfield for me!

Ion I can't believe I didn't notice my webbed toes. It's obvious now confused

Starshaped Fri 09-Nov-12 13:13:04

<wave> Hello Cycle

That is very swanky Fizz. I'm afraid that P's chair is like a deckchair in comparison!

Is it one of the poang chairs fro. Ikea? Because that's what I was honking of getting him until Laurence Llewelyn Bowen my mother decided to get him one.

I have a adult sized poang and it is very comfy. Would sit in it all the time if I could!

Honking?? Thinking

Starshaped Fri 09-Nov-12 14:12:12

That's the one. The baby version has been a big hit chez Star!

chillikat Fri 09-Nov-12 14:20:11

That's quite a chair, and a price - I got M a £40 from Dunelm. She loves it.

Hi cycle - long time no see. How's H?

I'm thinking of some Happyland for Christmas. I've also been looking at this Latches Board but what we really need is a switches board - she's obsessed with light switches at the moment.

The one mum was after was black leather and £50 but looked like hat one. Was from a local furniture place!

Kittycatcat Sat 10-Nov-12 08:06:47

God. I lost it last night. Dh was out so I took the boys to a friends for dinner. S had a meltdown there simply because he wanted more yet there was still food on his plate. Couple more mini strops. He hadn't had much of a nap in the day, bout 40 mins I guess. Then Alex wouldn't settle after his feed. I was building with rage. Smacked my phone off my forehead. <stupid>. He just dozed off in the end and I put him to bed. He woke for his two hourly feed. An hour later (must have dozed off) I put him down. Success. But then S woke howling and I just couldn't face it. Dh was home, had been since 1. I put s' music in but it didn't do the trick so I went In and he asked for a cuddle. Gave him a cuddle and explained it was still night time and put him back to bed. Straight away screaming worse than before. So I stomped off and got the nurofen. Cuddled. Bed. Screamed worse than before. I sent Dh in. I was wild by then. I just couldn't handle it. I wanted to scream at S and I couldn't bring myself to try to placate him. I came to bed and punched the crap out of my pillows and cried. By now A had been disturbed and I had to resettle him. Dh calmed s and came back to a sobbing me. He was great to be fair. Said I'm doing great and it'll be hard at times and I'm a great mummy. But I just don't think I am. I think I'm an impatient short tempered shouty mummy and I really don't want to be. I'm not like it all the time.
I hope S is ok today cos we have lots on. Scottish relatives are at the inlaws and we are visiting them on the way to see my bro for his 30th. I wonder if A caught S' bug cos he's pood loads.

ILikeToMoveItMoveIt Sat 10-Nov-12 08:47:36

If it makes you feel any better Kitty, I have punched a few pillows in (child specific) frustration. It has also been during the night. I don't deal with sleep deprivation very well, I turn into a grumpy shouty bitch from hell. It doesn't make you a bad mum, it makes you human.

I love the silver Chesterfield. Dh had a red and battered Chesterfield when we first got together. I hated it (it was during my beige, minimalist, decorative twigs and pebble shite phase) and he got rid of it. I could now weep, it would look great in our house. Of course I haven't admitted this to him .....

Thank you for your kind words and thoughts on Wednesday. It was shite, but it's going to be isn't it? But now we've got past the anniversary I feel like I can now start to enjoy and engage with the season.

We've got the Melissa & Doug latches board for I, and relatives have got him some Happylands. I also got him the most fab Little Tikes dolls house from a FB selling page. It is 23yo and is fab. Very sturdy and has lots of furniture with it. I can't wait grin

<waves to Cycle> Tis lovely to see you

Cyclebump Sat 10-Nov-12 21:32:27

H is lovely, gorgeous and babbly with new words coming all the time.

Being chair of the parent group is a tad stressful, hence my absence.

I'm sure you're doing fine Kitty, sounds like you'd just hit the wall. I HATE being massively overtired and dealing with a whingey baby, it sucks. At least you punched pillows, I once punched a wall, ouch!

Daisy17 Sun 11-Nov-12 22:02:41

Just to say to Kitty, just saw your photos on FB, looks like you all had a gorgeous day and you look beautiful. So you must be doing a great job, really. smile Go easy on yourself, it's all so hard....

Kittycatcat Sun 11-Nov-12 22:21:14

Awh thanks everyone. It's been a lovely weekend. Got what felt like a decent sleep eventually last night. A didn't sleep til 1 ish but didn't wake again til 630 (in my bed).

MrsWajs Mon 12-Nov-12 16:42:59

Agree with what ILTMI said Kitty the night times were the absolute worst for me when R was little, I just seemed to become an absolute horror through lack of sleep. It will pass soon.

My mum is also buying R an armchair for christmas fizz it's most probably the same one as chili has as it's from dunelm. She'll love it as she's obsessed with seats - mainly ones she's not supposed to be sitting on, like the dining room chairs!!

We have got her a little tykes crazy coupe car and an elc play kitchen. All for the bargainous price of £66! £20 off the kitchen and £20 off the car! Very chuffed with myself and my bargain hunting skills. DP wants to get her a little quad bike hmm I said no. DSS wants bunk beds(!) which is fine but will set us back at least £400 and we wil need to get him a few other little things so he has stuff to open on christmas morning, so there goes my "let's do christmas on a budget" plan!!

My sister has scrapped the drum kit idea and has bought my suggestion of the cleaning trolley kitty linked to earlier!

I know it isn't my money and they can buy whatever they like, but it really bothers me that they are going to spend £100 on a chair, when one from ikea is a fifth of the price. How do I get them round to my way of thinking without casing offence?

Kittycatcat Mon 12-Nov-12 17:25:40

fizz could u suggest you'd be as happy with one that matches hours and perhaps they could buy 'much needed' clothes with the saving wink

MrsWajs Mon 12-Nov-12 19:45:03

Oh I almost forgot earlier, R has started potty training herself!!!! 4 times in the last week she has told me she needed a poo and has reliably done one on the potty for me!! It's too soon surely??!??! I'm really not in the zone yet....

Kittycatcat Mon 12-Nov-12 20:37:48

Wowzers that's impressive mrsw

B is still at the peeing indiscreetly whenever his nappy is off! Well done R!

MrsWajs Mon 12-Nov-12 21:00:13

Pee's are a totally different story fizz! She'll squeeze a drop out if the potty's there but after 5 minutes and her attention wanders there's usually a puddle to clean up!! I think she's just started to dislike the sensation of pooing and so she doesn't want to do it in the nappy?! I really have no idea but I guess it's a step in the right direction whether I'm ready or not!!

UnderwaterBasketWeaving Mon 12-Nov-12 21:21:39

O.M.G. We're not starting the potty training stage yet are we?!

Having said that, over the last few weeks we've been saying to F "are you having a poo?" and when he says yes, we say "would you like to sit on the potty?" And then sit him on it (still nappied & clothed) with his biscuit, or whatever. He's now got to the point of saying "potty?" When he's having a poo.

Although not in advance enough to be of use, but hopefully it's a nice preliminary step. We're not planning on doing much more tillnp next summer.

*Secret Santa 2012*

to be involved in the Secret Santa, send me a message with your address, mn & baby name (because I sometimes get confused who is who's mum nowadays), clothing size if you don't mind getting clothes by 26th November I'll collate and pick names from a hat again and let you know who you have been matched with within a few days. Last posting date for parcels at Christmas is usually around the 15th December so that should give everyone enough time to go shopping!

Santa's not so little helper!

Budget £5 again? And baby's clothes size, you can give me yours if you want!!

ILikeToMoveItMoveIt Tue 13-Nov-12 08:10:55

I have pm'd you Fizz smile

The thought of potty training again makes shudder.

MrsWajs Tue 13-Nov-12 09:07:56

That's pretty much how we started UBW I think R's being a little bit unfair to me, she was late at everything else - rolling, crawling, walking, teething etc but she's happy enough to start toilet training asap!!

Alibabaandthe40nappies Tue 13-Nov-12 09:52:18

ILike - I know, I can't bear the thought. DS1 is still somewhat unreliable in the poo department hmm
But yesterday T did a poo on the loo! He has been doing wees on there for a while and will ask to go when he has his nappy changed and before bath time - and at other times in-between sometimes. I am definitely not getting into pull-up territory or thinking of abandoning nappies until the spring!

Fizz - I will PM you grin

Some good ideas on the presents - thank you! I've just ordered the latches board for T, and we've also got him a talking Harold the Helicopter with rotating blades and searchlight smile
That will be enough (plus a few stocking bits), because we are getting the boys a tablet to share - fed up of them stealing our phones and iPad! It is one specially for kids, so less fragile and you can set parental controls.

MrsW - T got a crazy coupe for his birthday from FIL, it has been such a hit here!

Dreadful night with the boys last night - T awake and wanting to play/cuddle/sit on my head. Then DS1 awake, first hungry hmm and then saying he was scared of the dark and clinging to DH like a limpet. Result - me oversleeping and only just getting DS1 to school on time... am knackered. <yawn>

Guernsey back and reporting for duty, (under orders from Sgt. Major ILTMIMI) grin

Have pretty much finished the Christmas shopping for the children. DS' presents seem to mostly revolve around Angry Birds and The Avengers and the usual board games/annuals. DD is very cuddly with her toys, she's is having some dolls and a pram plus various talking cuddly things.

I definitely agree that the little Tikes ride in cars are great. DS still tries to squeeze into his police car when we go round to my DM's house.

BIT stumped on what to get DH. Think I might get him a Kindle Fire HD. Anyone here got one?
It was his birthday on Sunday. I paid for him to attend a Wine Appreciation evening course at the local College of FE. Luckily the college is only a 10minute walk from our house so he doesn't even have to spit the wine out when he's tasted it.

<<Looks at watch>>
Eek, Better dash, have to do school run.

Kittycatcat Tue 13-Nov-12 16:26:26

Haha good to see you gsy. I've only a normal kindle but I love it. Dh is using it while I'm on mat leave. You could tell people to get him kindle vouchers.

ILikeToMoveItMoveIt Wed 14-Nov-12 12:07:18

Hope you had a better night last night Ali. We all over slept this morning. It's nice in some way, but it ends up with dh blustering around the house grumbling that he's late - he is shite in the morning and takes ages to get going.

Lovely to see you Gsy grin I've got a old version Kindle which I love. I haven't seen a kindle fire, but dh has and he reckoned it would be shite for the Internet because of the small screen size. There are so many kindles now it makes my mind boggle.

I and I have been trawling tile shops this morning looking for tiles for the kitchen floor. He was really good (surprisingly) and mostly amused himself while I could look around. Wonders never cease grin

We have finally made a choice on a kitchen style, we just need to decide on the type of work surface. What started off as quite exciting is now becoming very boring.

We have found a new play area for B. b&q! He loves it! He's been with dh and I and with his CM! I think it's something to do with the wide open space, all the nooks and crannies he can hide in and the echo his voice makes when squealing!

In other news, our lovely neighbour has acquired another rooster! angry 5 am it woke B at. Made all the worse when he started mimicking it! Another email to the council it is. He assured them last time he wouldn't get another one.

Kittycatcat Thu 15-Nov-12 08:50:09

Ffs. S is I'll again. He was a bit wheezy yest and had a slight cough, then threw up last night. sad

ILikeToMoveItMoveIt Thu 15-Nov-12 11:17:07

Oh no. I can sympathise, I has had about 3 colds on the trot. Thankfully the last one is on its way out, but still has a chesty cough and bright green snot.

Ime this is the winter where they pick everything up and are pretty much constantly poorly. Last year they were still being bf a lot and they weren't moving about and picking up germs from all and sundry. But this winter they're into everything, if they're still bf it's not as much and of course their immune systems are still immature too. The only silver lining is next year it probably won't be so bad.

There's not a great deal you can do really. Although I do try and boost their immune systems at this time of year by making sure their diets cover as many vitamins and minerals as possible.

Fizz, why don't you forgo the traditional Turkey this Christmas and have a nice locally reared Coq au Vin. wink

DS is also a B&Q fan. It is one of only two shops in the island which have escalators grin

Thanks for the kindle info, I already have an original Kindle which DH often borrows and I wondered if the Fire was worth the additional cost. He'd probably use it most when travelling to work so I thought the Internet would be a nice extra. My budget won't stretch to An Ipad.

Sending Get Well wishes to all those that need them. We all had the lurgy in half-term. Only P managed to escape, she is also still BF so that possibly helped. Shame it didn't have the same effect on the milk producer.

How are your LO's doing with their speech?

P is coming up to 20 months and still doesn't have any recognisable words except fish (pronounced fffffffsssshhhh) Her comprehension/understanding is very good and I've got no worries there.
Her DB was also a late talker but he did say mum and one or two other words at around 18 months. He was referred to speech therapy at his 2yr check and discharged this summer.

Both have mild tongue tie but I have recently noticed that P's top lip is attached very low on her gum line. The skin join is actually between the top of her 2 front teeth. I will have to ring my dentist and ask about it (or post in the development thread on here).

It's chicken wings tomorrow for dinner smile

The rooster was removed by the council today. He was apparently keeping it for a friend who had saved it from a zoo or something!

Anyway, I'm off to bed. My parents are visiting tomorrow and I've just finishing cleaning the oven wink

ILikeToMoveItMoveIt Sat 17-Nov-12 08:34:09

Hurrah for the cockerel being taken away. People in our village have the bloody things - luckily not too close to us, but I should imagine their neighbours aren't best pleased.

Enjoy seeing your parents Fizz. I hope the house is ship shape grin

Gsy - ds3 can say lots of words when you ask him to repeat them. However he hardly uses any of the words when he talks unprompted. He also only says the first syllable of most words. I remember ds2 being pretty much the same, then he had a vocab explosion just after he was 2.

B has been sick twice this morning sad mattress scrubbed bedding stripped and washed. Put him down for a nap, same again sad I hate sick

Make that three times. Parents visit cancelled.

Kittycatcat Sat 17-Nov-12 15:57:13

Oh no fizz. I hate it too. S had a bad night and I was terrified he had been sick again. Instead A threw up at eddiecatz this morning (friends daughters 2nd birthday). Hoping it was cos he fed then went in the car then fed but he also had a bad night and has s's cold sad

Kittycatcat Sat 17-Nov-12 16:21:45

Sick again here.how can something do small bring up so much sick / milk? Lots of snot too sad

Yep! Here too. It's the water he's taking he's brining up now. My tummy is feeling decidedly dodgy too. Dh has gone for a "lie down" upstairs but I can hear sky sports news on.

His room stinks. Everything has been doused in soda water and bicarbonate of soda so I'm hoping the smell goes soon.

Anyone want to rescue me??

Kittycatcat Sat 17-Nov-12 17:07:01

Have a hug <gentle squeeze>. The smell is overpowering isn't it

fraktion Sat 17-Nov-12 17:08:01

We have the same here. Cough cough cough VOM! M is is still BF so I dread to think what it would be like without....

We have verbalised 'poo' and that's moved from meaning he's done one to he's doing one to he needs one. Progress! Not there with wee though he will occasionally say 'peewees' but I haven't seen a correlation.

Hoping there's good sleep tonight as the last 2 have been horrific and we've spent pretty much all day getting back to Paris. AND fecking air France broke my suitcase angry

Fecking Air France! I am very grumpy do you need help writing a letter of complaint?. Dh is giving B some banana and dry toast hmm see how long that stays down. And he is clearing it up this time. His half arsed attemp this morning was to wipe the carpet with a dry towel, then trying to use toilet roll for the rest confused. No water, no cloths, no Milton. I sometimes wonder what goes through his head.

Kittycatcat Sat 17-Nov-12 17:17:20

Grrr frak.

Kittycatcat Sat 17-Nov-12 20:03:59

And s has just been sick again. I could cry sad

Daisy17 Sat 17-Nov-12 21:07:16

Signing up for the sick club, too, here....... sad Extra gutted as we were all meeting up with NCT families tomorrow at the park. Poor little soldier, he's incredibly stoical about it, doesn't get that from me....so hoping I don't get it too....Hugs, everyone, yes, don't worry, I have been scrubbed with Milton..... hmm

UnderwaterBasketWeaving Sun 18-Nov-12 09:05:43

Can we join sick club?

F made some gross noises down the monitor this morning, but it was only a tiny bit of reflux.

He's just puked at the breakfast table. Not a big heaving one like we get in the car, but significantly more than we usually get with reflux these days.

And he's running around happy as Larry still. And just asked for BF.

Is this what everyone else has?

Yep sounds like it. Puke, and run! Is it catching from the computer??

UnderwaterBasketWeaving Sun 18-Nov-12 11:00:03

That's what it looks like!

How are all the sicky babies doing? B appears to be on the mend. I loving ly made a pot of chicken soup that he point blank refused to eat. So he is back to normal really!!

Kittycatcat Sun 18-Nov-12 18:04:17

That's good fizz. No more puke but coughing and snotty here

Oh forgot to say kitty, got my card! thanks he is adorable! smile

Kittycatcat Sun 18-Nov-12 18:11:11

grin thanks, I'll take a pic of him in his boots and put it on fb.

Dh and are both unwell now sad

Kittycatcat Mon 19-Nov-12 09:52:11

Oh that's pants sad

ILikeToMoveItMoveIt Mon 19-Nov-12 13:37:59

Oh blimey, I'm going to put one of those SARS masks over my face when reading this thread.

I hope everyone affected is doing ok as possible. Being ill is rubbish, being ill whilst having to look after a little one is even worse.

kitty and Fizz - have you seen this thread on a product test for c-section scars? I thought of you both when I saw it.

Starshaped Mon 19-Nov-12 14:12:07

Cripes, SARS mask firmly on here too. The sickness lurgy hasn't reached us yet although DD is full of cold again...

Hope that all the poorly babies (and mums) are bearing up ok.

I'm dyyyyyyyyiiiiiinnnnnngggggg. B has had a miraculous recovery which is great, but we really don't need a full of beans baby!

MrsWajs Mon 19-Nov-12 21:37:04

Ohh dear, glad I have given you all a miss weekend, who knows what I might have caught! Just joking. Hope you're all feeling a bit better soon.

<touches wood> R hasn't been ill for a while so we're probably due a bug of some sort soon! She did however, have the mother of all meltdowns today in starbucks. She wanted to drink my hot choc, which obviously I wasn't allowing, so to show her displeasure she knocked the cup over, spilling it everywhere and then proceeded to throw half her croissant at the poor lady sitting next to us and then screamed solidly for about 15 minutes while I ignored her and ate my lunch. I thought it was 2 years old that was meant to be terrible not 19 months!?!? I don't suppose the whole situation was helped by the fact that I POAS'd and got a BFN this morning and have raging PMT. AF also iced the cake by arriving an hour ago....grrrr.

Re: speech Gsy R can say far too much! Her latest statement is " wha ya doin'?" and she likes flushing the toilet for me now too "mummy, poo......flush" I've occasionally heard her counting to herself as well, she is managing 1-10 pretty consistently.

chillikat Tue 20-Nov-12 14:24:59

I've managed you avoid your sickness bugs so far smile . M has a cough still but it's not bothering her.

MrsWajs sounds like you had an interesting lunch out. M gets stroppy when we won't give her the Sudocreme tub to play with. She's fab at getting the lid on and off. I'm thinking some plastic boxes with lids are all she'll need for Christmas.

Still not much in the way of speech - 'hiya' and 'b-bye' is about it, in English anyway. She does seem very fluent in her own language but sadly I'm not. We've managed to teach her to nod so at least we can ask yes/ no questions and get an answer now. She seems very pleased with this too.

In other news we've still not sold the house and a great one that we wanted has been sold sad but there's someone coming for a second viewing here tomorrow.

Hope everyone is feeling better now.

Feeling much better today, still a bit wobbly but amazing considering I thought it was the end yesterday!

Words are few and far between here still. Although, uh oh is now accompanied by hands to mouth is shock! And most uh ohs are caused by b throwing his food from his highchair or pushing over things!

ILikeToMoveItMoveIt Tue 20-Nov-12 16:06:16

Sorry about the BFN MrsWaj. Fingers crossed the pre Xmas shagging will do the trick smile

House buying and selling is shite chilli, you have my sympathy. It's all so bloody stressful.

Glad you're better Fizz smile

I made a huge batch of peanut and choc cookies this afternoon. Some for a bake sale, and some to keep (naturally!). Gawd they are good. I will have to ration myself with them <weak willed>

The ILTMIMI household are on austerity measures at the moment. For now I like the challenge, but it will soon become boring I'm sure. especially when we can't order a take away or eat out because I can't be arsed to cook.

UnderwaterBasketWeaving Tue 20-Nov-12 18:25:26


Glad people a feeling better! I think ours was a reflux thing, linked to moving teeth. F developed a very rosy cheek last night, after being generally ok but off his food all day. By the end of the day he was running around like a loony again, and has been back on form again today. (Currently rocking out to some incubus!)

Sorry to hear about the BFN MrsW. Lets hope the next one gets it.

Not much going on he, except he's up at least once every night again. But with teething and a gammy finger, I'm not surprised.

Kittycatcat Tue 20-Nov-12 20:20:27

Sorry mrsw sad

Fingers crossed chilli

Glad ur feeling better todayfizz

Pass the biscuits ilike

Question. A often makes a very odd noise. It's sort of a strangled screeching gagging choking noise confused noise. He's always done it. I thought maybe he was holding his breath and that was him catching it. Today when he did I picked him up and rubbed and patted his back and he threw up. Not sure if it's connected but he gets terrible bottom wind. Any ideas? Reflux? Colic? Nothing to worry about?

Kittycatcat Tue 20-Nov-12 20:55:29

A just threw up all over dh. He sounds all wheezy now. Needs a good sneeze.

ILikeToMoveItMoveIt Tue 20-Nov-12 21:35:11

If his breathing is fine and he's fine, then I would ignore the noise. But if you are at all worried, speak to someone about it.

Little babies are really noisy. Ds3 was terrible, we called him truffle pig.

Kittycatcat Tue 20-Nov-12 22:02:25

Usually it is when he's not full of cold. He does the piggy impression too.

Kittycatcat Wed 21-Nov-12 04:23:52

Are any of you there? In addition to being sick earlier A hasn't had his usual amount of feeds. The nappy I changed just now wasn't that wet which I get but had adopt of watered blood in it. I'm going to get a docs appt first thing as the list is long now: trouble when pooing, poo is dark brown, spotty skin that gets worse after a feed, cold, sick. Amy ideas?

Daisy17 Wed 21-Nov-12 07:48:42

Sorry, Kitty, no ideas but hand holding. Doctor's sounds like good plan. S used to have weird poo when he was very snotty and congested, sometimes with blood, might just be that. Apparently the mucus irritates the stomach lining. Hugs.

ILikeToMoveItMoveIt Wed 21-Nov-12 08:42:49

Sorry no real ideas kitty, the Doc's sound likes a good idea though. Hopefully it's just a bunch of random minor symptoms that have all decided to appear at once.

The spots after a feed could be baby acne. The spots are caused by hormones passed through your milk, so it makes sense the spots would be worse after a feed. Ds3 had it something wicked.

Let us know how you get on x

Kittycatcat Wed 21-Nov-12 08:50:22

That sounds about right then re spots. Thanks.

No more blood in the last nappy and it was nice and wet.

Docs at 1010 but its the one I don't like

Kittycatcat Wed 21-Nov-12 11:12:47

Blood could be caused by a ruptured vein to his willy caused by constipation. Not sure about that confused. His chest is fine. Rash is as you said ilike. She said the noise could be from the trapped wind as he never winds well and I'm to try harder.hmm

Poor A Kitty. Hope he is better soon.

I'm on Mn tonight agog at the joint birthday party threads! grin Dear God, B is never getting a party if that is what it could decend into!

Back to normal today! Thank goodness, but I have just realised I've had my 3 ghings of bad luck.

1) My car broke down at work on Thursday and I had to be towed by the AA (8 in 10 are fixed by the roadside. I wasnt one of them) of which I wasnt already a member so it cost extra £££ to join on the day.
2) the plague
3) my ipad has stopped charging, so I drove through to Glasgow today to take it to the Apple store and they could only offer me an appointment tomorrow. Eh no thanks I'll not do another 100 mile round trip tomorrow Mr Geeky Chic specs with big holey earlobes!

Oh and it was the final payment on the finance of my car on thursday too! Spooky!

fraktion Thu 22-Nov-12 09:52:38

fizz I was trying to follow that but the blood threads kept getting deleted. What happened in the end?!

kitty hope A is better now. Really helpful advice to try harder there hmm Have you tried saline spray/drops to help shift the cold? They're a lifeline here where we just seem to have one cold after another.

sad on the BFN MrsW Fibgers crossed for next month for you.

I think I'm now out until next April TTC-wise.

You know how things come along at once? I have a job interview today at one of the local lycées and I've been asked to quote for ongoing communications work for a company. I hate quoting, especially as the answer is 'it depends how long you want me to spend on it' because with social media your output really depends on your input confused

Kittycatcat Thu 22-Nov-12 10:10:19

Oh I knowfrak I honestly don't know how age has any patients! I only see her if I have to.

Good luck with the iv and quotes.

Kittycatcat Thu 22-Nov-12 15:05:44

I just proved i can scream louder than both my children put together. I had to walk out and shut them in the living room. They're both still snotty and s didn't sleep long enough so is in a shitty clingy mood and won't stand for me comforting A. Bad day sad

chillikat Thu 22-Nov-12 15:53:36

Aww, Kitty hugs. I'm in awe of you coping with two.

I was horrible mummy last night sad M woke up and settled but didn't go back to sleep and would scream whenever we tried to put her back in the cot. After 2 hours she came in with us and was still whinging I got annoyed and shouted in her face to shut up which obviously created more crying and took me back to being 5 years old and annoyed with the kid next door. Cue a few silent tears from me as I immediately regretted it and spend ages comforting her and stroking her face. Eventually we all got a bit more sleep though I only had 6 inches of bed and DH 6 inches of duvet hmm how does such a small toddler take up so much bed?

In lovelier news my friend had her daugter by ELCS yesterday and I went to see them last night in hospital. She's in the same bed I was which was weird and baby is very cute making little snuffly noises and being startled every so often. My friends DH has gone into full gushy dad mode after realising how amazing it is. It was lovely grin

Kittycatcat Thu 22-Nov-12 15:56:58

Sounds familiar chilli. And congrats grin

Guys need advice please.

my friend has he ds 5 weeks ago. was ebfing with expressing for the.odd bottle.

ay the weekend had a wedding where she was away from ds. ahem expressed but ended up with mastitis. gp gave her Abs today and role her to stow ebfing and go.cold turkey. I'm raging angry but need to make sure I'm not too push with her. she has asked me dorm advice and I'm going to see her in the.morning. she is a wreck. in pain and upset. I want to pike the doc in the eye.

in.better news I'm at the penthouse wait for.the proclaimera to come.on roundgrin

fraktion Thu 22-Nov-12 21:23:36

Jeez that's the fastest way to an abcess. angry

Are the ABs BF safe? If they are she needs to keep draining the breast and the best way to do that is with the baby.

Good leaflet

fraktion Thu 22-Nov-12 21:24:33

Oh and if she's not sure about the ABs she must pump and dump frequently. Just stopping will cause the milk to back up and worsen the inflammation.

fraktion Thu 22-Nov-12 21:28:47

Plus (sorry!) not sure if it mentions combing there but being under a fairly hot shower and combing the breast (literally with a wide tooth comb) from armpit towards the nipple can really help.

sad hope your friend feels better soon fizz

Kittycatcat Thu 22-Nov-12 21:37:07

What an a hole. Hope she's ok and takes fraks advice.

thanks Frak that's exactly what I thought. I still have s the bfn sheet on safe Abs and meds somewhere.

my last sentence should have said. I'm at the playhouse waiting for the proclaimers to come on.

now.I'm on the train home.

Kittycatcat Fri 23-Nov-12 01:47:11

Were they good fizz?. 500 miles was the last dance at my wedding grin

I very nearly walked down the aisle to Lets Get Married. only changed it the week before and settled to have it on the video!

They were fab! I'm quite proud to be scottish when it comes to music! I may have shed a wee tear too!

Visited my friend (with cake and choc) and thankfully she hasn't gone cold turkey, but is expressing off and slowly weaning herself down. She has had a really tough week with the mastitis and her 3 yo playing up too. she has had next to no sleep, so I made her tea, gave her cake, and sent her to bed while I got snuggles <selfless>. She managed to get a shower for this first time this week. She seems certain she wants to stop, and I cant really blame her, he isnt really hands on and she is left to all childcare and housework. If he would pull his finger out Im sure she might think differently.

I am really lucky with DH, I really am.

Final call for Secret Santa!

Will be doing the draw on Monday.

ILikeToMoveItMoveIt Fri 23-Nov-12 19:18:28

Did you get my pm about secret Santa? Just thought I would check smile

You're not lucky Fizz, your dh is. Well, that's what I always say about dh and I grin

Talking of selfless newborn cuddles, I get to snuggle one on Monday <excited>

I bloody love Let's Get Married, it's a wicked song.

Hope A is better today kitty.

TFI Friday <exhausted heap>

I did ilike! you are on "the spreadsheet".

and obviously dh is very lucky too! we are both lucky in love and not much else!

sunshine on leith is my favourite. I blubbed at it last night and blubbed even more when the old couple, in their 70s at least, stood up in front of us and stepped into the aisle and had a wee waltz. <gulp> it was lovely.

Kittycatcat Fri 23-Nov-12 23:18:56

Rant alert. My dh just told me to piss off. Story behind it. I was out with the boys today and S didn't get to nap til 430 on the journey home. He slept for a hour and abit but woke up in meltdown which dh basically came home to. He managed to calm a. We had our dinner. He put s to bed. We had wine. A slept on me, then fed. I then put A on the chair in my lap and started dozing off. Dh spoke to me ANSI managed to open my eyes long fought for a sentence only he hadn't clocked I was dozing so got arsey and moaned I'd fallen asleep while he talked to me. I said I was already dozing and asked him to tell me again. Sentence was short and basically nothing. I watched a bit of tele holding a bug then gave him to dh and properly fell asleep. I woke to A moaning ANC dh trying to keep him going. In the end he said I'd better feed him. So i got up and bought A upstairs. Dh said try to stay awake for what you're doing. I said I'm not making any promises. I'm shattered. Us said that doesn't excuse the fact you fell asleep while I was talking to you. Repeated I was already dozing and he repeated himself. I said its been a shirty week and I'm nackered do hd said it again. I stormed off thanking him for his support to which he told md to piss off. And I said he could piss off. All sounds v petty as I write. He's great with the boys and does loads at home but I'm fuming. He knows I've had a tough week. FFS I have two small poorly children. I know he's annoyed s was in a mood cos he didn't nap early enough. Needless to say I'm wide awake and fuming now. Am I out of order? Should I apologise? Part of me thinks yes cos he does do much but he had an attitude when he walked in tonight cos of what he come home to. Jesus aren't I allowed to pass out once in a while?

Kittycatcat Fri 23-Nov-12 23:19:08

Sorry sad

fraktion Fri 23-Nov-12 23:53:18


No don't apologise for sleeping but do say you're sorry you told him to puss off if you are. When you're tired tempers get frayed and it's not nice to come home to a meltdown - DH had that today too - bit it's no excuse for taking it out on you. Did Heston to think that if he walked in on a meltdown you were already dressed because it had been going on before he came home? Or that whatever he had to deal with re bath and bed and comforting one baby you do simultaneously all day? He might be great and involved but at least he gets to pee in peace wink So I guess it's understandable that you're snappy and he's snappy but he could have been a bit more sympathetic re: the dozing!

Kittycatcat Sat 24-Nov-12 03:02:21

That's just it frak earlier he had even been saying its 247 for me. And I'm not saying sorry for telling him to piss off as that was in response to him saying it to me [childish sulk]. Last time we had a big row he told me to fuck off and I was furious and told him never to talk to me like that again no matter what.

ILikeToMoveItMoveIt Sat 24-Nov-12 08:39:55

Tell dh what you've put here. You don't necessarily have to apologise, but tell him how you feel and why swearing at you isn't acceptable.

You're probably both tired and knackered - which of course causes arguements in itself. It's not an excuse, more an explanation.

Talk it through, you'll both feel much better about it smile

Kittycatcat Sat 24-Nov-12 10:09:00

He says it was me saying 'thanks for his support' which made him swear. I've apologised for that as he is usually v supportive. But still said he shouldn't talk to me like that.

UnderwaterBasketWeaving Sun 25-Nov-12 21:03:35

Hey Kitty, how's things? Hope your Sunday has been calmer. I can't imagine the stress you must have with two littlies, but I'm sure we'd end up having similar arguments.

How is everyone?

We finished our Xmas shopping (bar secret santas, bugger) grin and this evening F pooed in the bath envy <-yuk face!

I've finally popped into the One Child Families topic, although we are not definite yet.

Kittycatcat Mon 26-Nov-12 02:49:37

Ew ubw.not fun.

Yeah. We had our nephews 4th party in one of those indoor play spaces. S loved it. Third day in a row he hasn't napped when he should so a hat trick on a grumpy wake up.

I've been having A sleep in with me every night, not all night, prob half d half. Trying to get him back into his cot now he's breathing a bit better cos dh is staying out wed night and s isn't one to sleep through the night so I need to be hands free in case. Co sleepers... Is sleeping with my arm round A ok or should he bd flat in my bed?

Starshaped Mon 26-Nov-12 07:27:25

Urgh. The lurgy has now hit the Starshaped house. <rings bell and marks cross on door or whatever they used to do in the days of the plague!>

I am very envy of those of you who've finished their Christmas shopping. Still loads to do here but I am now ridiculously excited about it all. When do you all put your tree up? I normally wait until about the 15th but am considering doing it earlier because I can't wait to see DD's face!

Kittycatcat Mon 26-Nov-12 08:09:05

Hope ur all well soon star. A was just sick again. I'm not sure if its cos of his cold or reflux.

Q. How much do you give your dc's for breakfast. A only has one weetabix and he inhales it.every other day he has porridge.

Starshaped Mon 26-Nov-12 11:00:12

DD has porridge. I tend to make two really heaped tablespoons of oats and she always scoffs the lot. She sometimes eats a bit of toast too.

I really struggle with knowing what portion size to give her to be honest. I just tend to dish it out and guess if it looks right on her child sized plate. I think I read somewhere that the portion of each food group should be about the size of their fist. I could well have made that up though!

chillikat Mon 26-Nov-12 14:14:36

I give M shreddies or mini weetabix for breakfast, though it's only at the weekend as she gets breakfast at nursery during the week which is shreddies and toast. I dish out a portion, probably too much and pour the milk on leave it to soften a little then she gets a spoon and it's up to her how much she eats. There's usually some left but I think she eats a good amount and if she's had enough theres major head shaking and lips together if you offer her a spoonful smile I sometimes worry about her calcium intake as she doesn't drink milk, other than a couple of BF a day, but does have lots of yogurt and occasionally cheese.

Is it that the meat part of a meal should be fist size? for adults as well as children I think?

Hope you're feeling better soon Star. We've had some rubbish nights recently - we think she's a bit cold so have ordered a cot bed duvet, hopefully she'll be able to make the change from sleeping bags easily.

ILikeToMoveItMoveIt Tue 27-Nov-12 16:59:44

We put our tree up on about the 15th too Star

Ds3's breakfast is his best meal of the day. He normally has a banana then ponces some of dh's and ds2's toast. If he has oatibix he has about 12 of them.

Ds3 hasn't asked for a bf since Friday. I think this may be it. For the past 7 years (except two three month gaps) I have either been pregnant or breastfeeding. An end of an era <sniff>

Have you joined the singleton thread to help you decide UBW ? I have found support threads on here really helpful.

Breakfast is sometimes all b eats in a day. And usually consists of a banana, and one of the following. 2 weetabix and milk, 4 heaped spoons of ready brek and milk, or slice of toast with jam. I have since been I formed he also guzzles some Cheerios at the childminder while they have their breakfast!

Lunch is a sandwich or some rice cakes and dairylea with fruit or carrot sticks.

Dinner is either some of what we are having. Pasta, fish pie, lasagne, stew, mince & tatties etc, but he regularly refuses to eat these point blank and ends up with a toddler meal that looks like vomit confused

We think its anything that is hotter than room temperature. Which is annoying, but we'll work it out eventually!

Hope everyone on the lurgybench is feeling better. I'm not on a course of antivirals after getting my first ever cold sore. My bottom lip and left side of my face was so swollen and burning tingly it was scary! I now resemble Amanda Holden rather than Lesley ash!

Oh I forgot to ask. B held his breath today at cms until he went pale and his lips went blue. She had to shake him (I don't think too roughly) to get him to breathe. Just a curiosity thing or something else? She kept a close eye on him the rest of the day, but he hasn't done with dh or I before so I'm a bit worried he will do it again.

Kittycatcat Tue 27-Nov-12 19:02:09

Awh hugs ilike.

Scary fizz. I've heard of that. Def keep an eye on him. Hope he's ok.

I think I'll try him with a banana as well tomorrow then. Cheers ladies.

UnderwaterBasketWeaving Tue 27-Nov-12 20:02:56

Ooh, scary Fizz. I've heard of it as a tantrum type thing. I hope it's just a random thing he doesn't decide to do again.

End of an era, iLike. I feel like end of BFing badges should be issued. Or certificates. Or something. Have hugs and a gold star. x

I haven't really joined a thread, as such, more started having a lurk in the admission that F might well end up being a singleton. Although, I think emotionally I'd like another, but practically we might not. And then I descend into a spiral of indecision!

Good job we've got a while to think about it.

Starshaped Tue 27-Nov-12 20:51:41

Eeek Fizz - that sounds a bit frightening. It's definitely something I've heard of and am pretty sure that I've seen threads about it on here before. It'd still give me a bit of a scare though. Hope all is ok and that it was just a one off.

Seven years ILike - wow! That's impressive stuff. I felt strange when I stopped after 14ish months (is it bad that I can't remember exactly when I stopped? In fact I can't even remember any of P's firsts now and they only happened a few months ago. I swear my brain has been stewed...), so imagine you must have pretty mixed feelings about it all. I must admit that I was glad to be able to fling my bloody ugly nursing bras away though!

UnderwaterBasketWeaving Tue 27-Nov-12 20:55:18

grin at star's bra flinging!

Mine got dumped when my boobs went back to their usual tiny size. I didn't need great flappy 36Ds any more sad.

Oh god, I've just melted my mooncup shock

chillikat Tue 27-Nov-12 21:52:25

Blimey Fizz - you must be running some temperature tonight !shock

ILikeToMoveItMoveIt Tue 27-Nov-12 21:53:23

Do you have a flaming fanny Fizz ? grin

UnderwaterBasketWeaving Tue 27-Nov-12 22:07:29

shock grin grin grin

It's not funny! I forgot about it! grin

My first month using it and I nearly burn the house down!!

And my fanny is not on fire! grin

Kittycatcat Tue 27-Nov-12 22:08:02

Aid shaking while I laugh and feed grin

Kittycatcat Tue 27-Nov-12 22:08:16

Er 'A'

Cm has just called to say her son has the sick bug. So dh is taking tomorrow off. I'm slightly envy.

Starshaped Tue 27-Nov-12 22:21:25

A melted mooncup - cripes! And that's why I'm sticking to the Tampax. I could not be trusted with such a device!

Kittycatcat Tue 27-Nov-12 22:32:46

Grrr fizz what a pain

UnderwaterBasketWeaving Wed 28-Nov-12 18:41:27

hello all.

We've just picked up F's first antibiotics. He's had a gammy finger for over a week. I was hoping it'd sort itself out, but I think the cm was starting to think we were getting neglectful.

I've gone all pfb. confused I've got issues with messing with his gut flora, and am worried about potential allergic reaction. And it tastes disgusting!

Tell me I'm being ridiculous again, or the symptoms and likelihood of allergy!

Starshaped Wed 28-Nov-12 19:21:04

It'll be fine UBW, promise. DD had ABs a few months back for a chest infection that wouldn't clear up. Her gut flora seems to have been fine since grin

Worryingly she seemed to like the taste of hers as much as Calpol. I fear that she sees medicine as a treat!

Bs gut flora gets a boost by him licking the floorhmm maybe F could try that to replace any bacteria he loses!

Seriously, how can I stop him doing that!

UnderwaterBasketWeaving Wed 28-Nov-12 19:49:13

grin Thanks!

I'll encourage some floor licking. although I think he gets a fair bit from 'Bear', who goes everywhere with him and falls in the occasional gutter.

That and yeo tubes.

FIL has a nasty penicillin allergy. DH reckons it's pretty instant. We gave F a half dose a couple of hours ago and he seems fine (except the cold & teething).

Nursery will have fun giving him that rank stuff tomorrow, though!

Kittycatcat Thu 29-Nov-12 00:54:48

Home alone. Dh out all night. A still ill and getting worse. Been trying to settle him since ten. On third feed. Fed up.com

fraktion Thu 29-Nov-12 08:30:31

Awwww kitty hope you got some sleep in the end.

UBW M has had antibiotics and we have him probiotic yoghurt at the same time after the initial dodgy tum. It seemed to work quite well.

With pennicillin it can come on the second time you have it. Sometimes the body doesn't react to the first dose, but the reaction itself quickly follows exposure.

I need to do loads of stuff today and I'm just lazing ATM hmm.

Kittycatcat Thu 29-Nov-12 08:41:54

It was after 1. Then up again to feed at 4. A up at 640.

UnderwaterBasketWeaving Thu 29-Nov-12 18:19:37

Rough night, Kitty, hope you have a better one tonight.

Thanks frak, he's had some more today and still seems ok. (Although we have to bribe him with biscuits to even swallow any) his biggest issue now is his cold & blocked nose.

Kittycatcat Thu 29-Nov-12 18:27:24

We went to the docs. He's been prescribed gaviscon for reflux. His throat isn't swollen much at all and his cold is in his sinus and its not in his chest so that's not what's been making homesick. Plus he's been sick sporadically since mid nov. dh off til tue now thankfully.

Can I have a self indulgent whinge?

B was meant to be going to my parents tomorrow until Sunday as dh and I are going out with friends on Saturday. It was arranged ages ago and all the sleepless nights we've had recently we round off by saying, it's ok, only a few more days until he's away, long lie etc.

Well Monday mum dad bro and sis all got the vomiting bug. Mum and dad went back to work today, but apparently are worried about giving the bug to B if he goes up. The fact we were with them on Sunday and Monday just past and would probably have been ill by now anyway is by the by. I'm upset. I have a frock and everything. I was even planning a bit of drunken sex! Tmi sorry! But I was!

Anyone want a toddler for a weekend grin???

Kittycatcat Thu 29-Nov-12 19:49:20

Rant away fizz. That's pants. The end made me lol tho grin.cant you tell them you don't mind and you really need the break?

Ok, a minor miracle has occurred! Overnight my father has made a stonking recovery and now thinks they can take b! Good job I hadn't cancelled anything last night eh? So mad packing this morning!

Woo hoo!!

Kittycatcat Fri 30-Nov-12 08:08:52

Have a great timewink

Thanks kitty! Hope all your sicknesses are better now too. How are you getting on with the gaviscon?

Oh god! I've completely forgotten about the secret Santa!! I'll get it done tonight! So so sorry folks! <bashes head against wall>

Kittycatcat Fri 30-Nov-12 08:49:05

We are getting there. S' nose is less snotty, A is sneezing his out which is helping. He had two doses of gaviscon yesterday. No sickness. Made his strange noise with his 4am feed which he didn't have it for. And was almost sick with 8am feed. Fingers crossed. Off chrissy shopping with dh and the boys today tho mine is almost done. Yay.

<screeches in on knees> my thread in on the talk round up!! I'm so proud!

ILikeToMoveItMoveIt Fri 30-Nov-12 17:44:11

Which thread Fizz?

I thought of you when I saw these smile

my mooncup warning one! when I boiled my mooncup dry!

and you'll find I am also responsible for grin as mnhq forgot again! they should government me the job of Scottish ambassador!

GlaikitFizzogTheChristmasElf Sat 01-Dec-12 15:54:08

<unclenches buttocks and breathes>

Secret Santa draw has been done! If you sent me your details I should have sent you either a pm or a fb message with your match. If y haven't received anything please god don't let there be let me know!

Budget is £5 and last posting for parcels at Christmas is 13th December. Frak & Gsy I don't know about you guys, but I'm sure you'll know where to find out!

I'm off for some wine now! Ho ho ho grin

ILikeToMoveItMoveIt Sun 02-Dec-12 14:25:21

SS present purchased smile

Dh has taken ds2 swimming and ds3 is in bed so I am sitting here fannying around on t'internet and watching The Bodyguard!

The weather has been gloriously wintery this weekend, so we've been on some lovely long walks with the boys. No snow, but frosty and nippy. Anyone got snow? envy

GlaikitFizzogTheChristmasElf Sun 02-Dec-12 16:13:43

Hard frost here, but snow forecast! It might be a bad one again! Yikes! Snow shovels at the read!

B has been returned in one piece and he has had a ball by the sound of it! Mum and dad are off home for a rest now I think!

I think they might want to make it a regular thing! <does little dance>

Starshaped Sun 02-Dec-12 19:35:03

Hmmph. It's been frosty here all day but no snow here. No snow forecast here either, although we're close to both the Pennines and the Peaks and I believe they're meant to be getting some. S'not fair envy

GlaikitFizzogTheChristmasElf Mon 03-Dec-12 07:03:51

<let it snow, let it snow, let it snow>

Tree went up last night and B is enchanted by it. He just sat and stared at it for 20 minutes! Now he is pointing and waaaaah-ing! Makes the early morning worth it!

UnderwaterBasketWeaving Tue 04-Dec-12 06:02:07


Put our first real tree up last night, so I'm about to get F up to have a look.

if it wasn't so early I'd be excited.

ILikeToMoveItMoveIt Tue 04-Dec-12 11:16:35

How did it go UBW?

We don't put ours up until mid December, but all this talk of trees and pics on FB is making me twitchy and want to put it up.

Went into town with ds3 this morning and I'm now a step closer to finishing my Christmas shopping grin

I think ds's last lot of teeth are making their presence felt at the moment. Such fun.

Kittycatcat Tue 04-Dec-12 13:15:35

We are putting ours up Saturday

Talking of teeth I'm wondering if A is already teething. He chews manically i his finger (if one more person tells me he's hungry) and he 'bites' my nipple!!

UnderwaterBasketWeaving Tue 04-Dec-12 18:54:47

grin He thinks it's brilliant! He was just about to start his morning strop when he spotted the lights as we came downstairs, and suddenly perked right up!

We've just got home (late one <shattered>) and he's so excited about it! looking at each bauble individually.

We don't normally put the decs up till the middle of December but couldn't wait this year! We've really got into preparing F for the magic of it all.

Could well be teething, Kit, F had teeth pretty early, I think. (Still waiting for the last ones though)

GlaikitFizzogTheChristmasElf Tue 04-Dec-12 19:04:26

B has started undressing the tree! He brings each individual bauble over to us. Saying waaah, wooooo, waaah, it's like he is counting but not saying numbers!

Tonight he emptied the crisp cupboard bring each bag through individually hoping that I might open one for him. Chancer!

Anyone's LO got eczema? B has some quite fiery red dry patches come up on his legs. They seem worse with extreme temperatures. Ie just out the bath or just been outside rolling in puddles in the cold. I've slathered on some e45 and booked the gp for Friday.

I'd recommend Doublebass for the eczema, Fizz. It's very light and rubs in well i used to slather DS in it after his bath and it did the trick.
I developed mild eczema when in my late 20’s, never had it before then. This cold snap has given me a rather annoying itchy right knee.

I'm going to tackle the tree on Thursday. Got DH to get it all down from the loft last night when he came home. Sorted through it later on and realised the extension leads are still up there.

Both my DC have suddenly developed remarkably good appetites for their breakfasts in the morning, but alas I have a feeling it will only last as long as the advent calendar does.

GlaikitFizzogTheChristmasElf Tue 04-Dec-12 23:09:13

Thanks gsy. I'll see what the doc prescribes. Does it hurt? I've never had it.

Kittycatcat Tue 04-Dec-12 23:18:15

Loving the festive name fizz

Is anyone else having probs with the mumsnet app? It crashes when I try to flip our conversation

GlaikingAroundTheChristmasTree Tue 04-Dec-12 23:20:57

I've given up with it kitty. I like what I know!i

I'm still trying to decide which name I like best!

Kittycatcat Tue 04-Dec-12 23:23:30

I like the other one cos you are our SS elf ;-)

ILikeToHoHoHo Wed 05-Dec-12 14:35:14

I often find apps dissapointing - I think I expect too much from them.

I should be posting my SS tomorrow and I wrote my Christmas cards last night. I am starting to feel Christmasy grin , plus we woke up to a dusting of snow this morning. The boys were so excited about the snow and had a chance to play in it on the walk to pre school.

I am out on a Christmas meal on Friday and I am wearing heels. Eeek. I haven't worn heels for bloody years so I am practising wearing them around the house. I tower over dh when I wear them, it's like Rod Steward and Penny Lancaster grin

Because of course I look just like Penny .................... hmm

ILikeToHoHoHo Wed 05-Dec-12 14:38:32

Also meant to say that I agree with you about a renewed appetite for breakfast Gsy grin

And I know nothing about eczema *Fizz, hopefully the GP will get it sorted.

chillikat Wed 05-Dec-12 15:06:35

I downloaded the android app. It often crashes on opening but it usually only takes a couple of attempts to get it going and if I see the log-in screen I can be relatively sure it's not going to crash hmm
We finally got an offer on our house from the investor who pulled out a few weeks ago. And we're up and down at the moment as the one we want has sold but the seller thinks his buyers might pull out [biting nails], otherwise there's not much we really want to look at, though we're seeing a couple on Thursday, one of which is opposite the house we want... confused

Kittycatcat Wed 05-Dec-12 15:23:53

Good luck chilli

A fell off the armchair into our laminate floor earlier and is sleeping more than usual. Should I be worried. He cried when it happened. Slept at nap time, fed and has gone back to sleep when he would usually be awake.

ILikeToHoHoHo Wed 05-Dec-12 16:20:44

What do you instinctively think about A ?

It's not a problem letting him sleep, if there has been an injury sleeping helpsthebody to heal.

Apart from sleeping does he have any other symptoms? Vomitting etc?

If you are at all unsure phone NHS Direct.

ILikeToHoHoHo Wed 05-Dec-12 16:22:15

I'll be keeping my fingers crossed about the selling and buying chilli.

Kittycatcat Wed 05-Dec-12 16:23:49

Well he wasn't sick. Fed ok. But he's woken up unhappy. Tho he's popped a few times so could be tummy ache. Or hungry again.

Kittycatcat Wed 05-Dec-12 16:24:05

Nice name change ;-)

chillikat Wed 05-Dec-12 16:30:14

kitty, my friend works for nhs
direct and would add if he cried straight away and ask if the height was less than his height. if both answers yes he should be fine. just keep an eye on him.

Kittycatcat Wed 05-Dec-12 16:36:10

Thanks chilli he did cry straight away and it's about his height if not a teeny bit higher.

chillikat Wed 05-Dec-12 16:52:12

of course if you're still concerned give them a call.

Kittycatcat Wed 05-Dec-12 17:32:23

Will do. Checked the height and he's nearly a head taller. He's laying on his play mat now and seems ok

Starshaped Wed 05-Dec-12 20:47:30

The bloody iPhone app is driving me round the bend and seriously limiting my work time Mumsnet skiving . I pressed on the update all apps button on Monday and am now stuck with the rubbish new one instead of my trusty old app. It crashes everytime I try and load a thread. I want the old one back <wails>

Glad A seems ok Kitty. As with everybody else, I'd give NHS Direct a bell if you're at all worried.

House buying and selling is horrific chilli. We're going through it at the moment and I'm losing the will to live. There mightn't be much coming on the market at the moment but there will probably be some new stuff coming on after Christmas won't there?

Has everybody got snow apart from me? I want some <more wailing>.

Daisy17 Wed 05-Dec-12 22:22:22

Hey all, have been lurking, hope everyone's over their bugs now. Just needed to have a little wail of my own.....why why why have they discontinued the Happyland rocket?! I was so looking forward to getting it for S for Xmas and when I went to order it tonight it's "no longer available". I'm trying to tell myself that it really doesn't matter and it's just a plastic rocket but actually I feel like sobbing. Too many early mornings, maybe..... sad

Daisy17 Wed 05-Dec-12 22:23:18

Hugs, Kitty, sounds like A is none the worse for his acrobatics.

GlaikingAroundTheChristmasTree Wed 05-Dec-12 22:26:46

This one? There are a few brand new ones on eBay.

Starshaped Wed 05-Dec-12 22:41:42

They definitely had it in my nearest Mothercare a couple of weeks ago. Perhaps it's just not available online at the moment or out of stock. Any chance you can get to a store?

It varies Fizz, personally with my eczema it's more irritating than painful, but if you scratch it can get sore. Easier said than done though blush

It sounds from your description that B has the same sort of baby eczema that my DS had. He'd get dry red patches but never seemed bothered by it and luckily he didn't scratch or get broken skin. A good emollient applied all over after his bath and also on the dry patches again in the morning kept it under control. He's grown out of it now. <<touches wood>>

Kittycatcat Thu 06-Dec-12 00:17:33

The happyland rocket appears to be in stock with 'very'. Good luck

Daisy17 Thu 06-Dec-12 07:56:29

Thanks, peeps, will investigate....

Daisy17 Thu 06-Dec-12 10:03:55

I love you all, yay for Mumsnet! One rocket on its way from Very. Huge mark up from original Mothercare price but hey, it's a rocket! And a bit less than on eBay. I've already become the mad scrambling mum at Christmas!! Silly, but that's made my day, thanks all. grin

Daisy17 Thu 06-Dec-12 10:09:31

Fizz re eczema, I had it really badly when I was little and get bouts of it mildly now in the winter etc. It can get maddeningly itchy IF you scratch it, so yes, as Gsy says, keep it moisturised and it should be fine. S gets little patches, we use Cetraben on him, works well, it's what DP and I use too. Bad skin genes here!

GlaikingAroundTheChristmasTree Fri 07-Dec-12 10:31:15

Doctors surgeries are not the place to keep a 19 month old occupied for 35 minutes. I have no control over him, he runs, he crawls under desks In offices where the owner was stupid enough to leave the door open, he broke into the disables toilet (not really broke in but ykwim), he visited the ladies in reception. Old ladies were giving me daggers, younger ones sympathetic looks with an undertone of "thank god he's not mine". Finally 30 minutes after our appointment time we were called and he sat still for the doctor to examine him! Wtaf?? She must have some sort of voodoo.

Anyway, his cough is nothing to worry about and I have a prescription for oilatum cream and bath for the eczema. Doc thinks it will clear up and the weather has caused it.

He is napping now, but I would expect that, he has been up since 3 <yawn>

Kittycatcat Fri 07-Dec-12 11:15:36

Ouch anothernamechange
Glad you got him sorted

ILikeToHoHoHo Fri 07-Dec-12 14:36:41

Since 3???? Yikes, you must all be knackered.

Glad you got it sorted. I think ds2 has got some skin thing going on behind his knees (red but not cracked, scaly or peeling). Guess I need to buy some emollient type stuff <clueless>

Off out tonight on a girls night so the nail varnish has been applied. I love the look of it when I do it, but I really can't be arsed with the up keep of it.

Tomorrow I'm taking ds2 to the cinema. I can't wait. Time with just us two is so rare these days.

GlaikingAroundTheChristmasTree Sat 08-Dec-12 10:03:34

He slept til 6 this morning <bliss>

I have no idea where the early wake ups are coming from, but when he does wake up he is full of beans! He can't be my child! Anytime between 3-6 is when he is waking. I've checked train times on the line near us and I don't think it's those he's hearing, we have a working farm out the back but again I don't think it's that. He just demands to be taken out the cot.

I'm thinking about converting it to the cot bed. Is he too young?? Anyone done it yet?

chillikat Sat 08-Dec-12 14:24:54

That sounds like a killer Glaking M will wake at 3 sometimes but we can (eventually) get her back to sleep. We tend to blame early wakings on being a bit chilly and she seems to settle ok snuggled up in between us. I won't tell you about last weekends lie-in - but we did pay for it during the week.

Secret Santa is now wrapped, packed and ready to go. We started the Christmas cards last night so I feel marginally more organised but still have a to-do list as long as my arm.

ILikeToHoHoHo Sat 08-Dec-12 18:54:10

There is an 18 month sleep regression and it wouldn't surprise me if ds3 has been going through this. The past few weeks his sleep has been erratic and his speech has started to pick up, so I think they're both linked.

Ds2 only had his cot bars taken off this summer grin and actually we almost had to wrestle them from him! I wouldnt take the bars off of a childs cot at this age because of the risk of them getting out of their bed and arsing around - but then again I am loath to do anything that may mean less sleep for me <selfish>

Gawd I'm knackered tonight. SCD, takeaway, wine and an early night for me smile

GlakitFizzogTheChristmasElf Sat 08-Dec-12 22:29:41

Ok, so regression it is! How long should it last? Please not long!

How old is ds2 iLike, I should know, but my memory is terrible!

GlakitFizzogTheChristmasElf Sun 09-Dec-12 09:06:46

7.30! He slept til 7.30!!!! <does little dance>

Dh still in bed as its his turn for a lie in! So me and b are cuddled up on the sofa watching handy manny! What is the deal with him and Kelly? And mr lophart, does he hold a torch for manny too? I am obviously over thinking this!

ILikeToHoHoHo Sun 09-Dec-12 09:55:43

Ds2 turned four in Sept! So on the older side of having his bars taken off, infact only the other week he asked to have them put back on! He is a creature of habit an routine though.

Sleep regression can be a matter of days or a couple of weeks - everyone is different <sits on the fence!>

Lol @ Mr Lophart grin

Ds2 is going to a party at a soft play place this morning. I can't wait. He will be running around madly with his mates while I sit about sipping tea and chatting to the other parents <bliss>

GlaikitFizzogTheChristmasElf Sun 09-Dec-12 13:38:10

I have just been to hell and back! Or the shopping centre as it is more commonly known! Posted the parcels I had to post them picked up some wee bits I can't get online! I am so grateful for amazon/eBay etc! I would be demented otherwise!

So I think <fingers crossed> I'm finished my shopping, bar food and booze! Yay!

I Definately agree with leaving the cot bars on as long as possible. DS moved straight from his cot with the bars still on into a big bed at around 3.5 with no problems and even then it was only because we needed the cot for DD.

Mr Lophart reminds me of up the teacher in South Park, they are both very needy. Manny and Kelly? Defintely. and I quote from an episode DS was watching the other day.
MANNY: "Oh Kelly, you always have exactly what I need"
KELLY: "Anytime Manny"
<<channelling Eric Idle, Nudge, Nudge, Wink, Wink, Say no more, Say no more>>

Of course Andy & Kelly are nothing compared to the Bob the Builder love triangle of Bob, Wendy & Marjorie.

Right back to Christmas, better finish the tree and then iron the school uniform for tomorrow morning.

GlaikitFizzogTheChristmasElf Sun 09-Dec-12 21:29:31

The exasperation of turner when he is convinced Kelly won't have what they are looking for, and then she accidentally knocks something off a shelf and surprise surprise what's behind it. A unicorn horn, exactly the right size and colour they were looking for! hmm grin

I'm not that into bob the builder! B knows to press 611 on the remote! That's bad isn't it! He also knows where his game is on the iPad! Kids and technology, amazing!

GlaikitFizzogTheChristmasElf Mon 10-Dec-12 10:37:45

B was up 11-3 then up again at 6. I'm knackered, he's knackered. I've just put him down and he is screaming he is so tired. I could cry. He's had calpol incase it teeth, he's eaten loads this morning, 2 weetabix, banana, handful of raisins, drink of milk and half a slice of my toast. So he isn't hungry.

I don't know what else to do. Dh is at work. I'm lost.

Starshaped Mon 10-Dec-12 10:50:55

Oh Fizz, that sounds horrific. Poor you and poor B. I think it might be a case of bringing back out the 'this too will pass' mantra. It does sound like it might be a sleep regression. Fingers crossed it sorts itself up soon.

GlaikitFizzogTheChristmasElf Mon 10-Dec-12 10:56:00

He is sleeping now thank god, I'm off to bed too.

ILikeToHoHoHo Mon 10-Dec-12 11:44:35

Sleep regression and a growth spurt = hard work.

This too shall pass, this too shall pass ........

There's not much else you can do Fizz. it's hard dealing with it when you're knackered though. Going to bed for a nap should hopefully re-energise you smile

GlaikitFizzogTheChristmasElf Mon 10-Dec-12 12:13:30

I can't sleep! Postie knocked, then the phone rang, it was one of those PPI shysters. So now I'm downstairs again having a sandwich. All is quiet on the B front!

fraktion Mon 10-Dec-12 12:34:45

Fizz I might join you on the knackered couch. M has another chesty cd so I get no evening and no sleep. I'm so behind with Christmas as a result! Any kind of cold call is annoying but I hope you told them where to get off for disturbing naptime.

Re: cot bed we went over in October but he went from our bed to his own bed so not used to bars anyway.

I really need to dye my hair again. I'm looking distinctly ginger hmm My last colour was a purply brown but obviously the red pigment stick to my natural blondeness...

Cinema sounds lovely ILTMI. What are you going to see?

GlaikitFizzogTheChristmasElf Mon 10-Dec-12 13:06:25

<passes brew to Frak>

I can do hair colour! I've been every colour under the sun!

copper blonde? under the peaches and cream headline?

Or would you prefer darker?

fraktion Mon 10-Dec-12 14:16:11

I'm currently what they describe as copper blonde. I prefer to be at least caramel brown if not more chocolatey...

GlaikitFizzogTheChristmasElf Mon 10-Dec-12 14:23:30
GlaikitFizzogTheChristmasElf Mon 10-Dec-12 14:26:55
fraktion Mon 10-Dec-12 16:54:48

Possibly slightly darker. I've discovered I can 'do' dark after 25 years if blonde so I' experimenting a bit. I was this

Kittycatcat Mon 10-Dec-12 17:29:01

Eek fizz. Hope it improves soon.

Oh lovely frak. I'm currently returning to blonde to hide the grey. I'm naturally brunette. I too like a colour.

GlaikitFizzogTheChristmasElf Mon 10-Dec-12 21:36:14

Hugh grant answered my question!!! <does little dance> I didn't really understand his reply, but hey, can't win em all!

Feeling loads better, b had 2 big naps today and we went for a walk which was lovely. I don't do well on little sleep.

ILikeToHoHoHo Tue 11-Dec-12 11:48:53

I saw that Fizz, although I do have to disagree with you on a very important point. A Kit Kat is a chocolate bar, not a biscuit grin

Ds3 and I have just got back from his last music class before Christmas. They had a little party and we sang Christmas songs, twas very cute. I think he ate his body weight in party food though. Ah well, one less lunch to make!

All of the presents have been wrapped and the cards have been written and sent, I just have the cards left that are to be hand delivered. I have never been this organised, I must have forgotten something .....