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December 2011- <Haddocks> are in the deep freeze as we won't be needing them, no, siree! Grab a <cuppa>.......

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Aethelfleda Thu 20-Sep-12 18:53:02

Shiny new thread: we forgot to discuss the title this time!

<pulls up a chair and offers coffee and tea around>

hawthers Thu 20-Sep-12 19:07:30

Marking spot.

Have been shouty mum (tm) this afternoon sad DS1 has a bad case if the threes and DS2 is teething and exhausted due to DS1 waking him up from a nap....

Definitely had enough of today.

mopsytop Thu 20-Sep-12 19:27:12

Place marking

Figgygal Thu 20-Sep-12 19:42:32

Marking place too.

No idea what we doing about bday and Xmas since his bday is on 22nd we want to do something as will be good opportunity tu see friends for last time before Xmas but its also the last sat b4 Xmas so people may be busy......not sure. On the 23rd we fly up to Scotland until 29th to be with my family so that will limit any spoiling of DS due to baggage capacity.

I think teeth are imminent bright cheeks for days and now his bottom front 2 are looking clearer in the gum line. FINALLY!!

OiMissus Thu 20-Sep-12 19:54:21

Marking place - thanks aethel

Xiao!! Why did you have to link that website? I may have to go on a splurge! grin, also if any of you can think of any other decent eco-friendly toy websites (I know, I know) please let me know!
DS is getting spoilt this year thanks to being the only grandchild on DH's side & I'd rather he had decent toys instead of plastic tat.

We're doing his birthday (21st) up at PIL, xmas eve at my best mates, back home for Xmas alone as our own little family then more family on boxing day.
hawthers wine

Thanks for the new thread aethel!

LittleMissFlustered Thu 20-Sep-12 20:30:01

Being on the brew

MOT went fine thanks Xiao, my inhaler has been decreased a level to see if we can maintain my reasonable chest without maxing out the top level inhalers I have been ongrin Got to love being one of a family full of people with broken lungs!

Right, off to look out for the elder minion, she's being dropped off soonsmile

<Marks place>

<hands out large glasses of wine & cake>

Hope everyone who's been feeling ill, feels better soon.

Hawthers We all have shouty days so don't feel too bad smile

Far too much happened whilst I was away, reading back its hard to comment individually on my phone - sorry to all.

Should be able to keep up now grin thanks for Xmas pressie ideas. Like Figgyboy Sky's birthday is 22nd dec so hard to know what to buy!

Love the wooden cube toy tho.

Hopefully my Ellaroo woven wrap arrives tomorrow. Can't wait to try it out grin

MissRee Thu 20-Sep-12 21:28:49

Place marking!

BJR Thu 20-Sep-12 21:33:54

Mentioned the house to DP Seven and he said that it sounded like an over zealous sales person wanting to meet targets. His only advice was to take it upwards, if its the sales person on the ground saying they will pull the sale ask to speak to someone more senior. Sorry not of much use but hope your parents manage to get it sorted.

Xiao that website is dangerous! Some lovely instruments on there that are tempting, might divert DS from attack DP's guitars.

Our Christmas plans will be 4 days of presents! DS's birthday on 23rd, DSS's Christmas with us on 24th, Christmas!, then DSS's birthday on 26th! I can't wait, I may have started shopping already smile

Ah, a proper welcome back DSM. You're tanned, aren't you? Tanned and relaxed.
<looks at own corpse-like complexion and sobs>
So glad you've had such a fantastic time of it- was the family reunion good?

Got fingers crossed that figgyboy gets his teeth!

Not sure what we're doing over birthday/Xmas in terms of the boy's presents. Think I'll just say to people that a little wrap up (small toy, some onesies) will be grand, and if they want to do anything more we'll ask for money for his savings account. I think mainly if I manage to stop him eating the wrapping paper I'll call it successful grin

Thanks all on the job issue- DP is very down about it. He's seeing the union bloke tomorrow, and we'll go through the appeal, but they've been so shit about it I doubt it'll work. He's also going to apply for a school secretary/office manager post over the weekend, as given the way he's been treated (and a million other things that have happened over the past year or so at his work) he just wants out.
DP has been really accommodating, considered the service, offered to work the period in the day where they have no admin staff cover, offered to do one full day a week, and nope sad.

The fecking irony is that instead of having a member of staff continuing to work conscientiously for 27.5 hours a week, they'll have a pissed off one for 37.5 hours a week and then an empty hole of 0 hours a week, as they can't fill his post when he leaves because there's a freeze.

mopsy, really hope you manage to still enjoy your break; the anti-bs should kick in properly by tomorrow, and glad you've got the left over painkillers, very thrifty!

How's it going seven?

seven77 Thu 20-Sep-12 21:39:39

air Eva is 10 months tomorrow! I'm very glad her birthday isn't overshadowed by Christmas, though I must say I love kitty's idea of a birthday tree.

I've hardly thought about Christmas tbh, though I may just cheat this year and order everything online. I've normally done most of my shopping by now blush.

Thanks for all of the sympathies and support, and apologies for my language yesterday. DH knows, he was at the solicitors today when she spoke to the developers of their new house. They're determined to complete tomorrow regardless, apparently they usually then need the money in 2-4 weeks, ours isn't optimistic it will happen. I am avoiding haven't spoken to my parents but I can only assume they can either let them go ahead and take a 30k (10%) gamble which is unlikely to win or pull out at the eleventh hour. Even so they've spent 5k on carpets an paid extra for tiling to be done plus the deposit that I know of. I'll update when I get more news.

Sorry for the lack of name checks, just (hopefully) understandably just feeling very stressed and not feeling like I'm coping too well lately.

seven77 Thu 20-Sep-12 21:49:06

Posted before refreshing.

northern perfectly understandable that he wants out, I remember you saying when they were trying to agree on hours that he compromised to keep them happy, can't believe they still turned him down.

mopsy sorry you're in pain, I perforated an ear drum when I was little. Tbh I can't remember it hurting, though I suffered recurrent ear infections and I assume it has something to do with the fact myhearing is a bit rubbish.

Northern I'll upload some pics to my profile tomorrow of my tanned self grin
Regarding your DH & his employers, hopefully the union rep will have something helpful to offer. I think he's being shafted!

Seven nothing useful to add but hope it gets sorted real soon and that your parents understand its out of your control.

Mopsy ear perf Is the worst. Hope it heals really soon.

anairofhope Thu 20-Sep-12 22:23:22

Marking place

sorry i havent name checked i have read most of the other thread im just too busy to post. Its been really busy with Air starting school.

I said we would meet one of his new school friends at 9:30 tomoro for rhyme time at the libaray but he has only just gone to sleep sad

He will be so grumpy tomoro sad

Im finding it hard to spend time with Hope cos when Air is in school she just sleeps and then im busy with Air so she is in jumperoo or on floor crawling and crusing around.

Next week i will make an effort to go to baby group, but she will just sleep thru it!

My dh has droped work on Mondays so he only works four days and has three days off over weekend. It means he can take me and air swimming when he sits in cafe with coffee paper and Hope.

The reduction means less money but that his health should improve with more rest!

anairofhope Thu 20-Sep-12 22:36:19

(Think i may be a bit manic at the moment all week I have done all houswork and sorted the children out and do lots of organising. I have even done *ironing+ shock I really wish im better and that im back to me and i dont have a huge down dip. Depression is horrid because i can see if its fixed or not sad )

Figgygal Thu 20-Sep-12 22:45:27

Just back with the weekly shop done, next size up swim nappies attained as tomorrow morning we going to rhyme time and then straight off to first baby swim session. Should have taken DS ages ago but missed the start of last term so these lessons were £60.50 for 13 weeks classes and these will take us up to 1 week before his bday WOW!!

anairofhope Fri 21-Sep-12 06:57:33

And the day starts again sad

Hope wakes for a feed and she wakes Air up and then i have both shouting and playing in the cot!

<puts coffee on for all>

LittleMissFlustered Fri 21-Sep-12 07:40:31

<throws a plate of pain chocolat into the mix>


OiMissus Fri 21-Sep-12 08:26:37

Pain au chocolat... What a lovely thought.
Sssh! I've got my sex drive back. Shhh!
It's been nine months. And I didn't miss it. It seemed normal. BOi came first and above all else... (and other excuses). It must have been the reemergence of AF that kicked things off.
Well, all I can say is HURRAH! Yippee! and YeeHah! And I'm sure that DH would add more to that.
So I stopped BF at 7 months, and then at 9 months AF came, and my body said, "let's make another baby". And we say, "--that's not such a bad idea-- Whoa! no. Slow down. Let's enjoy ourselves a bit first, let's get some of teh work on the house done, let's get DH settled in a job, and then we'll think about it."
Watched OBEM last night, larger ladies. It almost made me want to do it again, and give birth naturally. HA!
No, I have decided, next time it'll be a planned cs. No messing about.

OiMissus Fri 21-Sep-12 08:35:20

BTW DH's first day in his temp job went really well. He's already shown that he can do the job, by helping the other IT facilitators with stuff they didn't know how to do. smile Which helps with his confidence after being out of IT for 4 years. And it sounds like this is a rolling contract that will just go on and on and on. (We'll have to see if he can up his hours though. 18 hrs a week is a pain)
However, he has an interview tomorrow for another job, closer to home, and full time. So it's all good. grin
Happy Friday everyone!

CherryBlossom27 Fri 21-Sep-12 08:57:23

Morning all!

Last night was a bit grim, DS has got a cold and he kept waking up because he couldn't breathe from about 2am onwards! I gave up at 3am and brought him into bed with me and DH and he slept until 6am.

It's the first time I've ever been able to sleep with DS in the bed, I know a lot of people on MN seem to co-sleep but I've always been scared of DS overheating or me squishing him. I think now he's a relatively healthy almost 9 month old it's ok to do, but I don't want to get in the habit.

My DBro is going back home today sad he's currently asleep as DS kept waking him up too grin

For birthday (24th) and Christmas I was thinking about getting a ride on and maybe a sandpit/paddling pool for the garden as DS's big presents. I'm going to do a little stocking from Father Christmas with some socks, pj's, little board books, wooden puzzle, bath toys type of thing.

MrsDSM, what design Ellaroo have you ordered? I think their designs are lovely smile

Right I'd better disappear and get some things done before DS wakes up!

GeeandTee Fri 21-Sep-12 09:39:42

Thanks aethel

We are full of colds/sore throats here and DD wants to nap on me, not in her cot hmm

BUT she slept through until 7.20am with only one wake up! It was an hour long wake up at 1am but I still count that as progress.

<Puts kettle on>

OiMissus Fri 21-Sep-12 10:38:06

Advice please on colds... BOi has a very phlegmy cough. Most of the time, he's fine, but when he starts coughing, it's horrible. He really struggles, and it's all saliva, phlegm, snot, ...
Should I take him to the GP, or is a cold just a cold?
He's had a cold every other week since birth/nursery. Is it something I should be worried about?
A couple of months ago I took him to the GP as his chest was rattley - you could feel it. She told me it was clear, he was fine.
I - who know nothing about babies - am of the opinion that its a cold, he'll get through it, we can try to make it easier with calpol/karvol etc., but essentially, he has to get it out of his system.
My dad thinks he always has a cold, there must be something wrong, we must go to the docs. ???

Oi Bet DH woke up with a grin this morning lol. Good to see he's doing well in his temp job and making a good impression.
Regarding BOi's cough, it could all be to do with teething. So just keep an eye on him. If he looks like he is uncomfortable when coughing then take to doc just to be on safe side.

Cherry Its the rainbow stripes design.

Air Hope things have improved for you.

Sky slept all night smile 7pm-7am. Still feel jet-lagged tho! Blooming freezing too.

My Ellaroo arrived, So am going to attempt to put Sky is either a rucksack carry or double hammock for the afternoon school run! Wish me luck.

MissRee Fri 21-Sep-12 11:14:21

I got to work this morning to the news that we are now down to 5 secretaries (from 11) due to redundancies... best get off my phone and pretend to be busy.

MissRee Not good news. Hopefully your job is safe.

Xiaoxiong Fri 21-Sep-12 12:04:37

Oh no MissRee - my PA told me this morning that we're recruiting, if anyone's looking for legal PA jobs...

I'm not apologizing for linking that amazing website - we will all now go broke buying worthy gorgeous presents for our LOs handmade in Sweden by lovely people with learning difficulties while they are more interested in the wrapping paper and chewing on carpet lint.

<whispers> DS slept through from 8pm to 7am with one dream-BF at around 11pm!!! No idea how it happened or whether it was something we did, or if it's just the start of something great...

Xiao Hopefully it's the start of something new.

Where is your company based?

Northern I've uploaded new pics of the honeymoon to my profile smile

LittleMissFlustered Fri 21-Sep-12 14:04:01

Today I am mostly feeling brassic.

Need to finish off my application for uni, but I'm having a wibble and procrastinating instead. In my defence I do needsto get these birthday party presents as the party is tomorrow!

Xiaoxiong Fri 21-Sep-12 14:11:45

DSM I'm in the City of London (near Blackfriars).

You look so happy and lovely in your wedding dress <sighs happily> I had to have a dress with sleeves because with strapless dresses I get the dreaded armpit vagina. St Lucia looks pretty sweet too!

Thanks Xiao will upload some more of St Lucia later.

Figgygal Fri 21-Sep-12 14:42:46

Baby swim has revealed my worst thoughts that yes I do have the muscle tone of a blancmange honestly half an hour of it and I hurt all over. My knee locked up and I wasnt sure if actually be able to drive home ......oh the shame!! DS loved it I knew he would and it knackered him out he's been asleep for an hour so I can recover grin

Dunno Oi, but hope BOi is ok!

Figgy, Dh has volunteered to take DS swimming so I can go in the big pool & make a fool of myself.

<friendly slap> for LMF, you do application! You do it now!! You'll be fine, honest, do it before 5 so it's not hanging over you all weekend.

MissRee, hope your job is safe!

DH has started looking for in IT again, he's had one person phone him about a job in Bournemouth but I don't think we can afford to keep hold of this place & rent something else, he'd make a rubbish PA can't see him pulling off the heels & stockings look somehow.

What's everyone upto this weekend?

Xiaoxiong Fri 21-Sep-12 15:56:06

We've got our massive school community action fair tomorrow for anyone who wants to come - the boys organise lots of really sweet money-raising activities (cream tea, bouncy castle, tours of the school) and it's a great day out. I'm baking for the pre-school bake sale, and as there lots of vair nice designer labels in the nearly new jumble I'll be behind a table with DS from 12 to 2!

In fact maybe I should get there earlier...snaffle the best pieces before the public arrive smile

Xiaoxiong Fri 21-Sep-12 17:07:55

I've been getting more and more emails about things that will be happening at the fair tomorrow - a raffle, tombola, smack the rat, chupa chups lucky dip (everyone wins a lolly!), guess the number of sweets in a jar...it's so lovely that the boys cannot think of anything that hasn't been done by every school everywhere since the year dot smile

Although I suppose it's a sign of the times that there's a game of "pin the earphones on the iPod" with an iPad 3 as the prize, and one of the houses is raffling off a signed shirt from some Chelsea player. I wouldn't be surprised if it was donated by some parent that owns Chelsea FC.

MissRee Fri 21-Sep-12 17:59:31

Thanks ladies, my job is safe, un fortunately wink they have effectively halved our team (but not fee earners) so we will be doing double the work hmm

How funny, Xiao, I am a legal PA grin I can't look for work at the moment though because of maternity leave/pay. I'd owe them a huge chunk of money!

We're off to DNieces' birthday party tomorrow. SIL is a brave woman - they're 1year and 1 day apart (3 and 4yo now) and she's preggo with the 3rd, due in April grin

Had terrible nights sleep - F was awake every hour! Very unlike her. She's apparently been full of the joys of spring today though so bob knows what was up last night confused

Figgygal Fri 21-Sep-12 19:20:05

Ds slept for 2.5 hours after baby swim i didnt know what to do with Myself he hasnt slept like that in day for months so of course i sat squarely on my arse and read a book.....very decadent.

Tomorrow we off to the Wiltshire country show to walk in the mud it's brilliant they have a falconry village, events like ferret racing, chainsaw wood carving, so many stalls brilliant food all in the grounds of a country manor. Hoping the weather holds.

Aethelfleda Fri 21-Sep-12 19:41:56

DS has his first tooth! He's not quite sure what to do with it, bless....

House arse continues, we have three viewings tomorrow <think positive> and am trying not to focus on how gutted I am that we can't have fantasy house. I need patience, it coyld be months til we find somewhere and even then it may not work out... Am alredy sick of keeping things tidy and not being able to find things due to putting stuff up in loft....

KateM77 Fri 21-Sep-12 20:31:30

Busy couple of days here, so just about keeping up with the thread. Apologies for lack of name checks.

figgy loving the decadence, well done you grin. BTW, did you know that Next currently have a T-Shirt with 'Dan the Man' on it? I couldn't get the right size for DS, but have an 18-24month one for when he's bigger.

Tooth 4 finally poked through Weds afternoon, so have had a couple of better nights. Snot is almost gone from me and the DC's. DD still doing well with potty training, although not cracked it yet. And best of all we were in court this morning and won....only 11 months and one court case later and we're getting our deposit back from the landlord of our London flat grin

seven77 Fri 21-Sep-12 20:58:30

kate glad you won in court!

aethel house selling sucks, glad DS finally has his first tooth though!

My parents have got an extension, though they weren't aware of half of the stuff their solicitor told ours, which I told them and they didn't know about. They're now worrying they'll lose the house, surprisingly they weren't worrying before hmm.

Figgygal Fri 21-Sep-12 21:17:07

Good news kate and yes I have the dan the man shirt from my sil it's part of DS increasing pile of 12-18mo clothes that I can't believe he could possibly fit into confused

MissRee Fri 21-Sep-12 21:19:21

<drags out the pompoms for Kate's win at court> grin

<Joins MissRee In Pom Pom shaking for Kates Court win>

OiMissus Fri 21-Sep-12 23:36:58

Hurrah for your win in court kate!figgy your DS will fit 12-18 mth stuff now. Try it! I've just bought more. grin

seven77 Sat 22-Sep-12 08:54:06

Eva has been in 12-18 month stuff for a while, and is already outgrowing the bodysuits. She just needs the extra length though, I think 3-6 month clothes would be about the right size in width. She's the same height as my almost 2yo neice!

LMF what do you want to do at uni? Hope you got that application finished yesterday.

Anyone have nice plans for the weekend? Today I'll be mostly hiding as Eva had me up at 3:50.

Figgygal Sat 22-Sep-12 09:03:14

Blimey considering DS is 98th for weight and 91st for height im surprised he's still in most of his 9-12 month stuff must get shopping grin

LittleMissFlustered Sat 22-Sep-12 09:21:10

<belated pompommery> for the court-based shenanigans!grin

I'm torn, if I apply to start now I don't get to do the course I really want (History & Religion joint honours) as it has no part-time provision. If I apply for 2013 intake, I can apply for the course I want, but depending on the processes in the uni there could still be no part-time on my preferred course, and I'll have wasted a yearsad Tough call. I'm hoping to pop into the department tomorrow and ask them some questions. It helps being local, the uni is only a half hour walk from my housesmile If it looks like its not going to be doable I'll apply for the single honours and consider my free electors carefully.

I feel too old to be faffing like this >_<

LittleMissFlustered Sat 22-Sep-12 09:22:00

Monday, not tomorrow. Where's the coffee?

Sky is comfortably in 9-12 month clothes and has been for about a month.

LMF I think it's brilliant you going to Uni. I'd love to go I just can't afford it tbh - want a new kitchen more lol!

DH is doing a wedding photo shoot today, so the girls & me will go and spend the day with my sister. smile

LittleMissFlustered Sat 22-Sep-12 09:53:45

I can't really afford it either, but if I don't do it I'll be stuck in a rut for years. It's now or neversmile

Morning all. DS has finally gone down for his nap, so I can post. Sheesh, but that child runs me, and everyone else, ragged- he's just on the go and ferretting at everything all the time.

<hands over coffee to LMF>
It's 'Lazy Sunday' blend this morning, Taylor's. The course sounds really interesting, which period of history is it? I definitely think you're best just asking them about it all, they tend to know what's what but can't put it into the prospectus or anything, and the lecturers are 99% of the time happy to sit and discuss it all. Also, it may be that although it's not part time, the amount of time you're required to be in Uni actually in seminars and lectures is pretty minimal, so you could still manage it.

Good for you Kate, they can be total b'stards about it all. We were in the odd position that it was our landlord's agents that tried to diddle us out of our deposit, but because we were in direct contact with the landlord, we approached them and they forced the agent to give us our money back confused!

Hope the viewings go well aethel, and have fun with the ferret racing figgy, sounds awesome.

St Lucia looks beautiful DSM, utterly gorgeous. I often say I'd consider getting married if only because I could wrangle an exotic holiday out it grin! I really want to go to either anywhere in Asia, for the history, and just spend weeks going round temples and whatnot, or for luxury, Hawaii.... But do put some pics on of your tanned self, so I can get some vicarious pleasure!

Sounds tough MissRee- going back to work is hard enough but having to literally work twice as hard is a bit off.

This weekend we are mainly having to go to the shops. We need to do the food shop, the pet food shop, and to go to Bluewater so DP can get his watchstrap sorted. But it's fine with me, it's been a knackering week, what with DP's job stuff, and the car exploding (long story, fixed now). Oh, and my Mum has knitted DS a new cardie which will arrive this morning, so may even take a pic and upload it, as I've got nothing of him in recent months on my profile smile

LittleMissFlustered Sat 22-Sep-12 10:32:44

I can't get finding for full time Northern, and part time will be easier to get childcare for too.

anairofhope Sat 22-Sep-12 10:38:22

Morning everyone grin

I have signed up to be a breastfeeding peer support grin

Aaron is loving school and has made lots of new friends.

Hope enjoyed the play group yeasterday and did lots of crawling and standing and talking.

Hope is in 6 - 9 month old clothes as she is tiny but i have got her 9 - 12 in winter clothes as we walk to school and she is sat in pushchair. I just need to buy cosytoes now.

MissRee Sat 22-Sep-12 10:52:26

We're still pretty much in 3-6 month clothes! Some if her 6-9 fit her but they're stupidly long in the arms and her 6-9 dresses look like tents grin

Good luck with uni LMF I sometimes wish I'd gone for something specific rather than falling into a job on leaving school!

Kitty5824 Sat 22-Sep-12 11:41:32

Seb was wearing a newborn t-shirt yesterday. Fits him perfectly around the shoulders/torso but a bit too short. Will be washed and packed away. Sizing is indeed crazy.

I also find myself in the position that all his 3-6 month trousers now fit perfectly round the waist but are all too short. And for some reason I haven't got any 6-9 month trousers. Just 9-12 month. Which you could fit two of him into.

Thank Bob we're up in Manchester next week. The giant h&m in town, the gap and m&s outlets at the lowry will be gaining some of DH's hard earned cash. wink

Aethelfleda Sat 22-Sep-12 14:29:37

I'm hiding at DBro's, the viewings are done, though one person pulled out due to sudden failure of finances. Still a bit meh about the no syitable properties thing at our end.....

Sounds v exciting <LmF>. and hope the school open day goes well <xiao>!

<drinks extremely large mug of tea. pot and hobnobs are on offer this end>

seven77 Sat 22-Sep-12 17:12:34

Didn't know you were into pot aethel grin. I'll take a hobnob if they're chocolate ones.

LittleMissFlustered Sat 22-Sep-12 17:23:07

Mmmm, hobnobs!

Aethelfleda Sat 22-Sep-12 18:22:55

Afraid the only pot I have is one full of tea (I'm a pillar of the community doncha know, couldn't be doing with anything subversive!)

But the chocolate hobnobs are laced with proplus if that's any help?

Most of DS's clothes are 6-9 and 9-12 months with the occasional large 3-6 t shirt in the mix. He has a big cloth bum so most of his trousers are tracky bottoms or dungarees. Slim fitted trousers are not very compatible with cloth bums!

anairofhope Sat 22-Sep-12 18:24:37

grin @ pot lol

we just got a new flat screen tv and blueray as ours were on the way out for months now and i want to get a wii for xmas for air but i want the fitness games blush

He has been watching iron man cartoons all day but in HD lol

Snurk @ pot, that's one time you don't want to miss out 'of tea' but can understand if houseviewings have reduced you to drugs

Sounds like you're going to go for it then LMF? Really hope it's do-able, let us know what happens- but fingers crossed for you.

That's cool air; the peer support person at the group I went to was lovely- mind you, the only two things I could think were that she looked very well for having four kids in short succession (and looked no older than 35, max, possibly my age) and had amazingly long fake nails for dealing with four kids- can't forget them confused!
But that's a great thing to do- will it be at the local Sure Start?

And Freya will still look cute even if in a tent wink. How're you feeling with the tiredness MissRee, is it subsiding a little now, or still knackering you out?

We've got the weekly shop done, pet food shopping done, and we took DS for a quick trip up to the park. He loves going on the swings, laughs like a drain, it's hilarious.
Have made up a leek, potato, parsnip and ham soup for dinner, and am putting some aside for DS- will hopefully have more success with something that's non-tomato-y. He wolfed his meal at lunchtime, and it was the one homemade thing without it in, and he's getting into the routine (as it's what nursery do) of having his hot meal in the middle of the day.

anairofhope Sat 22-Sep-12 20:42:00

Yes at the local sure start centre but the course doesnt start till January.

LittleMissFlustered Sat 22-Sep-12 21:05:41

I go to a peer support group, it's fun. Our supporter is a pink haired roller-derby girl, she's acegrin

anairofhope Sat 22-Sep-12 21:12:56

Well i was thinking about dyeing my hair but i was thinking green or mocha grin

The bfps people here are more like a social group and have power strugles so it should be fun watching the show as i refuse to compete. But most of the other women are really nice and i get to meet new people and help so im sure it will be ok confused

LittleMissFlustered Sat 22-Sep-12 21:15:54

Our meet is in a coffee shop, and is mostly just a natter. When someone new joins we do our best to communally help, then get on with the cake eating.

anairofhope Sat 22-Sep-12 21:22:05

That sounds good to me smile

I will do a 10 week course then 6 months in baby group at sure centre and then a year on the ward and then i can do antinatle classes or run a group. I will also do a day a week on phone duty. But the course will only go ahead if they get funding but they should be ok till march.

Figgygal Sun 23-Sep-12 07:12:35

Bleurgh 5.15 wake up due to lots of coughing and a poo nappy then 6.45 wake up as he'd decided it was play time he's now sitting on floor eating his daddy's slippers. We have a no tv rule b4 8 so that slipper is in trouble.

Oh my god he just did the loudest longest fart I've ever heard even he looked shocked by it......boys r grim grin

OiMissus Sun 23-Sep-12 09:25:41

Have you seen the video on Facebook? Tis here on you tube: www.youtube.com/watch?v=24fGVcAEIPg&sns=emgrin

OiMissus Sun 23-Sep-12 09:37:43

Ali was sick maxi-vomitus last night. DH was trying to get him to sleep, whilst I ate dinner. As soon as I'd finished, I took over. Within a second he had vomited all over me. We were covered. Back, front, sides... We stank! sad but the bath was fun, and he was absolutely fine. grin

LittleMissFlustered Sun 23-Sep-12 12:10:23

Really didn't want to let the minions go to their dad's today. The younger minion is poorly sick. Soon be pick up time thoughsmile

Happy Sunday folkssmile

seven77 Sun 23-Sep-12 14:06:36

Enjoy them when they get home LMF. If weather is as pants there as it is here put on a DVD and snuggle up on the sofa together.

DD hit DS in the face with a car this morning. After i said no and took it off her DH helpfully suggested putting her in the playpen as 'punishment', she's 10 months old FGS! hmm

LittleMissFlustered Sun 23-Sep-12 14:58:36

Ah, teas 'naughty' babies! <rolls eyes while making a cup of tea>

LMF Snuggle up with them later smile

Seven hmm about playpen punishment.

DH has taken us out for Sunday dinner. So I'm sitting with a glass of wine being dictated to by DH hmmangry

We have visited the jeweller's to get DP's watch sorted, and now am watching the footie having munched a BLT. DS has rejected his mother's lovingly made root veg and ham soup, and his father's offer of tuna sandwiches, in favour of poncing several Wotsits off me hmm.

Will try cooking up some food for him this afternoon and hope he'll go for it...sigh.

DPs are slightly mad aren't they seven - mine suggested the reason DS bounced his chin off the table was 'because I was holding onto his hand and unbalancing him'

Right, this washing will not launder itself, more's the pity...

GeeandTee Sun 23-Sep-12 16:01:58

oi that brings back memories of when DS was little and had reflux. I would get covered in vomit like that a few times a week, or on a bad day, several times I day. I perfected the art of the instantly stripping before the vomit got through to my skin grin

We had a lovely day yesterday, did some winter clothes shopping for the DCs in the morning then FIL came over with nearly 2yo DNephew in the afternoon, as he was babysitting him. DNephew very well-behaved but we had to closely supervise FIL who has no sense of safety, thought pushing the pushchair into traffic and bouncing it over cobbles was funny, and left DN to toddle around in a big, busy playground without keeping a proper eye on him. It was fine as DH and I took over and made sure DN was safe, and he had great fun and we didn't mind at all (he is mega cute and lovely) but was a bit hmm at what could have happened if FIL had gone on his own! DS was also mega cute and gave him lots of cuddles and kisses and kept bending over him solicitously and saying "is DN happy?" "Is DN OK?" was very proud!

Then we had the night from hell as DD kept me up from midnight to 5am. Aaarrrggghhh! I thought we were finally getting somewhere but she's worse than ever now.

Aethelfleda Sun 23-Sep-12 18:53:13

Have discovered Tesco Finest green pesto (£2.50 a jar: ouch!) is nut free (has pine nuts which are actually seeds) so we all had pasta pesto for tea and DS loved it! Some leftovers to freeze (which will let the rest of us have cheapo Aldi stuff that tastes almost identical)....

Spent an hour getting drenched this afternoon as I wrestled the raspberry canes into submission and manuref the veg patch. At least it's a bit tidier now for house viewings...

Argg, where did the weekend go? I want another one....

Figgygal Sun 23-Sep-12 19:16:46

I need to get me some pesto!! Tonight we had chicken in a tomato sauce with jacket potatoes and peas must start experimenting with my AK book am waiting for DS to go on his week long bird watching trip next week as if it all goes to hell DS can't moan and ive yet to find something he won't eat so would have to be really bad for him to not eat whatever concoction I burn.

Cripes it been wet all day except for run to shop we've been in all day cue a very grumpy figgyboy. The positive result is have gone thru a bag of clothes donated by dh cousin to find 3 pairs of next trousers, 3 t shirts and 3 shirts all 12-18mo that's him kitted out for a whilegrin also dh has baby proofed 8 cupboard doors his bum shuffling as gone into turbo last few days.

Northern That ref was def a utd fan angry how could he give a red card for Liverpool in first half but only a yellow for similar challenge in 2nd half to utd! Humpf

Been raining, raining, more raining here down south sad I miss the Carribean sun!

LittleMissFlustered Sun 23-Sep-12 20:58:57

<runs through trailing long sleeved tops, tracksuit bottoms and carrier bags>

Who said that residential trips were a good idea? Eh?


<breaks for tea>

BJR Sun 23-Sep-12 22:36:37

Lots and lots of rain! The boys built a camp in the living room today, then DSS watched a film from his tent while DS bounced around inside smile

Been a fun but long day, bed is calling I think.

CherryBlossom27 Mon 24-Sep-12 09:33:13

Urgh! Horrible weather...how am I supposed to get all my washing dry?! One day I will have a tumble dryer smile

DS has got a yucky cold and seems to be coughing in the night and morning. I'll just keep a close eye on him as I don't want him getting a chest infection (scared!).

Figgy lol at turbo bum shuffling! DH has finally attached his bookcase to the wall in our first baby proofing step! I've only been nagging him since we moved in over a year ago...hmm I'm going to start nagging him to sort out the kitchen cupboards and bathroom cupboards as I don't really have space to store the cleaning products anywhere else.

Air that's cool, I'd much rather chat to another mum than a HV!

I can't wait until payday! We need to get DS some new vests and babygrows, his toes are stretching the ends of his 9-12 month babygrows grin I really want to go food shopping and batch cook some meals as I'm not being too organised at the moment with DS!

Xiaoxiong Mon 24-Sep-12 09:52:00

Ugh sizing - it's so frustrating how it's all over the place. The only store that's true to size for DS is Polarn o Pyret, where he's in 9-12 month clothes - everything else he's in 12-18 or even 2T sizes confused

I honestly don't know how people buy kid's clothes in the sales for a year ahead! How do you know how big they'll be in a year's time??

It's my last Monday!!! grin This time next week I'll be part-time, baby...can't freakin' wait.

We had a lovely weekend - great charity fair on Saturday (raised almost £29,000 and another £6,000 on the jumble sale!) and then Sunday we had a long lazy day in the house as DH was in for the day. Pork, mash, applesauce and crumble with the boys (DH needs to get a better Latin grace under his belt, he says he keeps it short because the boys are hungry but I think he just can't be bothered to memorize a long one) and then a long afternoon of DS walking 5-6 steps back and forth between us and crowing happily, until he fell face first into a chair leg (bad parents...) Now he has a big bruise and a bump, I feel terrible!

seven77 Mon 24-Sep-12 11:31:46

xiao raising 29k is fantastic! Kids generally slow down growing a lot after the first year, and sizes last a year after 2, ie 2-3 instead of 12-18 months. I always buy next years stuff in the sales, which works out pretty well. I got DD a 12-18 coat in the next sale in January, glad I did as she needed it last week, I probably wouldn't have otherwise gotten around to buying a coat for this year yet.

cherry I try to stay a size ahead in what I buy, so when Eva goes into 12-18 month things, I start buying the odd 18-24 month things here and there. I can't afford to have to buy all of her clothes at the same time!

Still wet and cold here, I think Eva will need a winter sleeping bag tonight. Did I miss summer?!

seven77 Mon 24-Sep-12 11:34:19

Oh, and I think my AF should have been due yesterday, which is good as I nearly cried when I saw the March 2013 ante-natal thread in active conversations yesterday sad

LittleMissFlustered Mon 24-Sep-12 11:36:13

House of the Random Rash. Looks like it could be any one if a million viral things. Pharmacist didn't like to say anything other than to get hold of the GP for advice. Why are given year old boys such pains?! Waiting on the lunch rush at the surgery to be over then I'll ring. For a change, Octoboy is well! The elder minion is away on her school residential so it's just me and the boys for a couple of dayssmile

LittleMissFlustered Mon 24-Sep-12 11:39:55

That was a hell of a fundraiser Xiao! Superb effort from everyonesmile We had a Macmillan coffee morning a few weeks back, and we only raised £150! smile

OiMissus Mon 24-Sep-12 12:40:49

£6000 at a jumble sale??!!! my word, you must've had some great donations and buyers! And £29000 in all - incredible!!!
The weather is absolutely atrocious. bleurgh. Horrid.
I'm working from home today as we didn't have childcare to bridge an hour in between mum finishing her college course and DH going to work.
It's very difficult working from home when there are a million things I could be doing in the house... sad
Copenhagen tomorrow for 2 nights. Really really CBA. sad

Figgygal Mon 24-Sep-12 13:09:40

Another person who almost drowned on the commute into work today it was terrifying the roads were so flooded I couldnt believe they were still open.

DS woke at 5am and then 6.30 this morning was moaning big time before i went to work felt sorry for DH having to manage for an hour with him before the CM picked him up though he did send me a pic of him in his new shoes and his waterproof Hatley coat which is already snug on him DAMN SIZING!!!!

Xiaoxiong Mon 24-Sep-12 13:37:18

Yes it was a good haul - the jumble sale all went to the NSPCC and the rest was divided up between 5 different charities chosen by the boys. It's nice to be at a vair rich school sometimes when you see how much you can raise for good causes smile

I personally contributed £50 to the jumble total: bought a pair of these for £20, worn once - the comfiest heels I have ever tried - and what is clearly an older version of this dress for £30, still with tags on, which will be perfect for work. (The one I got has 3/4 length sleeves, a v-neck and then these sort of tails in the front that I think are meant to tie over and across and behind to make it appear like a wrap dress.) Also got a maroon cotton scarf with a daschund print, a pair of coral earrings, some charity Christmas cards of the chapel in the snow, a string of bunting spelling out DS's name, a cherrywood fruit bowl, knitted fingerless gloves, I won a mystery tin in the tombola (filled with PG tips) and three bottles of flavoured olive oil. Oh and two potted herbs (basil and tarragon), a ham & cheese crepe, and a bacon butty, cupcake and coffee at the bake sale.

Wow, written down I'm shocked how much I came home with blush It was all for a good cause though I guess...we cooked with the herbs and oils last night and I'm wearing the scarf and earrings today though so it wasn't all pointless impulse buys.

Aethelfleda Mon 24-Sep-12 13:58:41

It's reet soggy at this end.... I spent some yesterday at the OOH docs with DD2 who I think has a wee infection...except her wee stick dip was ok. But she's wet the bed every night for 10 days, keeps rushing to the loo (and wets if she doesn't get there NOW) and her wee is stinky. The sticks are very good at picking up infections, but we'll see if it gets better or not over the next few days (in the meantime my washing machine is on overtime). Thank heavens for waterproof sheets...

And DS's latest trick is to try to climb the stairs and then lurch down them headfirst giggling like a loon. Close supervision required!!

Aethelfleda Mon 24-Sep-12 14:01:32

And well done xiao, that's a fabtastic total. As a sometime PTA bod, I've found most families bring an amoUnt tp such an event expecting to spend it. Eg most of our school families will probably bring £10 or £20. I guess with the naicer places they are bringing in larger wallets! Love the idea of designer jumble!!....

Xiaoxiong Mon 24-Sep-12 14:05:40

Oh poor old DD2 - hope she feels better soon and your waterproof sheets don't let you down. How were the house viewings this weekend? See anything nice?

Aethelfleda Mon 24-Sep-12 14:12:37

Nope, we were the viewees, not the viewers (no feedback yet).
Buying wise, I'm In a grump to be honest, fantasy house still unavailable, have two viewings for thurs but one's a re-view where I'm worried about the area, and the other is off cachent for the schools we want. Grump

<puts the kettle on for a grumpy cup of tea>.

Wow! Xiao That is a fantastic total. Our school is lucky if we get to £900.

Seven I hope you get the result you want regarding AF.

Aethel Hope DD2 gets better soon.

We got soaked on the school run this morning.

I've brought some more xmas presents this morning, on target I am grin

Really fancy Beef Stroganoff for tea. However, got no beef, no mushrooms or cream so that's not happening sad

LittleMissFlustered Mon 24-Sep-12 15:37:14

<breaks out the grumpy hobnobs>

The remaining minion has been deemed 'viral' by our fab doctor. He has prescribed 'pink stuff', water and 'whatever crap he'll eat while he feels naff'.

Love my doctorgrin

<Grabs a hobnob and a large mug of tea>

LittleMissFlustered Mon 24-Sep-12 15:39:36

We're having a poorlybroken staple chez Flustered, beans on toast with a sneaky slice of bacongrin

LittleMissFlustered Mon 24-Sep-12 15:40:32

As an aside, Nanny Plum is a jelly fetishist, I'm positive!

OiMissus Mon 24-Sep-12 16:18:22

Just got a phone call from the GPs, BOi walked 4 steps on his own before falling over. Hurrah!
Hope he'll do it for me later. Hate missing these things!
Sorry to hear about baby and sibling lurgies. Not fun. sad

hawthers Mon 24-Sep-12 16:25:48

gah ds1 poorly and whiny... even cars on dvd is not satisfying the grumps chez hawthers.

oh dear.

chilli prawn and rocket pasta for us tonight (without the the rocket...)

Hawthers That sounds yum.

Oi You have a BOi Genius there smile

OiMissus Mon 24-Sep-12 16:38:38

As an aside:"As an aside, Nanny Plum is a jelly fetishist, I'm positive!"
Que? I'm confused!
I'm not sure what we're on tonight. Either breaded plaice fillets and an assortment of greenery, or quiche and same said greenage. And the leftovers of DH's homemade delicious carrot cake. He baked it yesterday to take around to our friend's house to watch the football. I didn't bother with the football. I drank wine and played with the babies. smile

OiMissus Mon 24-Sep-12 16:39:16

...and ate cake. grin

seven77 Mon 24-Sep-12 16:52:02

Oi well done to BOi on the walking, shame you missed it. If it helps I do t work but still managed to miss the first time DD laughed and pulled up.

DH won the bonus ball at the pub so we're having a tesco £10 meal deal tonight.

Hope all of the poorly DCs are on the mend soon!

Aethelfleda Mon 24-Sep-12 17:16:59

Playdate time....1.5 hours of imaginitive play followed by mini cheddars and High School Musical. Rock on.

And am reading a fab fantasy novel "A Face Like Glass" by Frances Hardinge (in snatches when DS snoozes after feeds). Its plot is totally and utterly crazy, but page-turning compelling, it beats rubbish like Fifty Shades into a cocked hat!

LittleMissFlustered Mon 24-Sep-12 19:20:39

Oi A character from Ben and Holly's Little Kingdom. The ill minion has control of the tely buttons, and has been bouncing between that and Peppa Pig all day >_<

Tea will be cheesy bacon pasta. The minion had a slice of toast and about thirteen beans. Octoboy had chicken and veggie ricegrin

'tis precipitating rather insistently here. There are fears amongst the scared types that the great flood of 2007 will be repeated. I am skeptical.

Figgygal Mon 24-Sep-12 19:49:06

Ew DS managed to find a bit of skunkys litter from her tray first thing I knew was when it and what looked like his 3pm bottle came spewing out of him onto the floor and all over his feet. He been mega clingy since but his front bottom teeth look almost through so was prob a combination

Figgy Ewww. Hope Figgyboy is feeling better soon.

My sister is 38+1 and had a scare today and was sent to hospital. Baby seemed to have low hb. Was on monitor for hr and registrar & consultant was happy that's just way bam bams baseline is.
Been on phone to her as she's slightly freaked out so hoping I've calmed her down a little.

Urgh- DS needed settling at 4am, and although it was DP's turn he didn't stir, so I went down and did it...and then I didn't get back to sleep. This brief post will therefore be brought to you by a very tired NC...

Sorry to hear we have another round of poorly DCs (they communicate amazingly, and they do it with the crap sleep as well <eyes DCs suspiciously>) DS nearly joined in, as the nursery said he'd howled for about 20 mins late on, so to watch out for an ear infection or something similar. However, he was holding onto the table, bouncing up and down and grinning like a maniac when I got home, so I don't think we'll be going to the Doc's any time soon.

Crawling off to sofa for a bit of a documentary and an early night....

....and I'm crawling back after that early night, which was uninterrupted, and had a lie in til 6.40am! Wibble!

mopsytop Tue 25-Sep-12 07:38:32

Hi all I am off to GPs, minim vommed for most of hol sad then I thought she was better but 24 hrs later another massive vom, then nothing for 24 hrs then again another projectile vom. In the evening both times. Clingy, grumpy and waking up crying every 30-60 mins all night. So better get her checked. Typical just after I change her nursery days she is sick on those days and can't go in! On the plus front pain in my ear is gone but it still feels all funny and blocked and fuzzy, prob due to eardrum. Hope you're all ok and poorly babies improve...

If it weren't for work wink I've got a meeting closer to home than the office, so off to that and then back home to work here. Means I can do the nursery run both ways and get a bit of housework done.

Snot central here, DS splurged green goop all over my night shirt!

Oh poor MiniM, doesn't sound nice for her. Glad you're on the mend though mopsy

Figgygal Tue 25-Sep-12 08:06:00

Another sick male in our house this time it's dh so can't go to work until cm picks figgyboy up at 9, which is quite nice for a change and he desperately needed a bath so that's done too.

DS watching Kung fu panda the series at the moment it's quite tolerable actually

OiMissus Tue 25-Sep-12 08:14:55

Morning all, Poor minimopsy, glad you're feeling better. Congratulations on the lie in and working closer to home Northern.
I said goodbye to my laddio this morning for a couple of days. He was too tired to do any walking last night when he came home from the GPs. I'll look forward to seeing him on Thursday afternoon. I wonder if he'll have it sussed by then... Aw! He looked so adorable in his car seat this morning as I said goodbye. sad

OiMissus Tue 25-Sep-12 08:15:53

Oh, and, I keep saying we'll not be buying much for his 1st BD and Christmas, but then I see promotions like this at Achica and want to buy everything!!

<Lurch> Need caffeine, was a long night sad

Hope Sky cuts these teeth soon!

CherryBlossom27 Tue 25-Sep-12 09:12:24

Ugh! These babies are in secret communication aren't they?! DS is still a snot bag, I decided to give him some calpol before bed last night and I think it may have helped. He still woke up crying a couple of times between 7-10pm then woke up at around 4am. I just went to sleep in his room and cuddled him until 7.30am when he woke up.

DS had a bit of breakfast and milk and I had to give him a bath to try to get his snot out, it was all dried up and gross. Much screaming as I cleaned him up. He was back in his cot asleep by 8.20am! Obviously needs the sleep!

LittleMissFlustered Tue 25-Sep-12 09:23:45

<loads the tea cannon>

Mugs at the ready ladies!

Not too bad a night here, Octoboy woke as I went to bed at ten, then at two and six. That's a bloody quiet night for us!

The remaining minion is looking perjurer so will be back to school tomorrow. The elder one returns from her PGL adventure tomorrowsmile

Sad that so many are still gloopysad

I'm planning to hug my boys and sort laundry today. And research flooring. Carpet or 'orrible laminate? Going to get some cushion floor for the hallway for sure as it's cat, child and weatherproof!

LittleMissFlustered Tue 25-Sep-12 09:25:11

Aw, my phone is accusing my Boo of perjury! It was supposed to be perkier!

mopsytop Tue 25-Sep-12 09:36:32

GP says it's just a bug. So we will just have to ride it out!!

Xiaoxiong Tue 25-Sep-12 09:57:21


<mainlines caffeine>

<squints at dome of St Paul's through office window, dons sunglasses and moans>

Guess those two days of sleeping through last week were the exception not the rule - we're back to multiple wakings and hours of moaning/grumbling/whining. And then of course I slept through my alarm at 6.45 so I was 45 minutes late to work sad Although I did three more hours of work at home last night after the pipkin went to bed, so on balance I should be feeling virtuous. Instead I feel like I have a hangover and a half.

OiMissus Tue 25-Sep-12 10:57:38

Grrrrr easyjet Shitey shite shite.

LittleMissFlustered Tue 25-Sep-12 11:25:36


Sounds like its going to be a Tuesday from hell all round.

Boo's rash is still in evidence, not sure what I can do about if or school. Jo hum!

I have a poorly little lady. She has an upper respiratory tract infection and high temp sad has only drunk 3ozs of milk since this morning.

LittleMissFlustered Tue 25-Sep-12 12:38:43

Oh heck, hope she perks up soonsad

Boo is at the doctors in an hour and a half. Rash looks suspiciously like scarlatina. Highly infectious but usually tame. Gah! What's the betting Octoboy comes down with it too? The elder minion is on a residential trip, so I hope she doesn't come out with it, or I'll be persona non grata at school for sure >_<

KateM77 Tue 25-Sep-12 12:41:41

<dons bio-haz suit>

Get well soon to all the poorly babies, and coffee all round for the tired Mummies.

All actually well here at the moment. DS slept through 7-7, as did DD. DD at nursery today and DS had swimming this morning. I'm now sitting enjoying the peace whilst he has a nice long post-swimming nap smile.

Yeah, Tuesday from hell. The meeting I had this morning, which I'd sent the paperwork out for (with the time), I had down as starting at 10.30am; the VIPs (relatively speaking) had it at 9am, and the host organisation had it as 'cancelled'.
Not been called by nursery again so DS is probably OK.

The only things that's made me smile so far is that I saw a personalised numberplate, which is obviously slightly behind the times, which was MI55 DSM grin!

Right, back to work....

Aethelfleda Tue 25-Sep-12 13:11:08

For Oi: not work safe due to copious Irish Swearwords!

<Mission impossible theme> : to get my washing done anddried before it tips it down again....

<necks large coffee from lmf's supply>

Sorry to hear about poorlies and bad nights. dD2 had her first dry night in almost a fortnight last night so my totally unproven hypothesis of her having a UTI now has anecdotal evidence of a possible recovery to add to it.

<runs to unload the washer and shakes fist at the clouds to b***er off>

Aethelfleda Tue 25-Sep-12 13:49:23

Arg, too late, only half an hour of blow before the heavens opened. Now have two wet loads and a third in the washer. Nrg.

hawthers Tue 25-Sep-12 14:50:17

F chops seems to have joined in the rumpus on the night. He was up between 2.30 and 4.30 just rocking about in his cot. Could get him to sleep again but he woke up again frequently until I went to bed with him at 4.30 in the chest frog position. Eyes feel like total crap today. Perhaps he got too much sleep in the day yesterday... Hmm shorter nap needed this afternoon.

Kitty5824 Tue 25-Sep-12 15:24:54

<waves at everyone whilst trying not to catch any lurgy>

<realises that with the snotty sneezes DS has been doing it may be too late>

Just collected my latest ebay purchase. A bundle of 9-12 month baby boy clothes. Listed as being approx 30 pieces. Got it home and there are actually 42! And I paid......£1. I tried to give her a fiver, but she refused. grin

Now must go and make lemon meringue pie for DH birthday dinner. Sod the diet!

seven77 Tue 25-Sep-12 15:54:20

Hope all of the poorly LO's are better soon, DD is snotty but otherwise fine. DS seems to have randomly joined in with the night waking though, nothing wrong, just awake. Hope the others avoid the lurgy LMF.

kitty what a bargain! Are they nice bits?

oi is it just generally easy jet or have they done something in particular?

KateM77 Tue 25-Sep-12 17:57:21

Gah! Knew I was having too much good luck compared to the rest of you....think I may have broken my toe due to an unfortunate collision with a footstool when whisking DD to the loo. I don't suppose there's anything that can be done other than splinting it to the next toe even if it is broken? Can hardly walk, think driving's going to be rather tricky, and I live in a village where you need to drive to get anywhere sad

LittleMissFlustered Tue 25-Sep-12 18:08:47

Poorly toe suckssad I think you can only splint Kate sad

Kitty Epic bargain!

Boo has strep throatsad Swab has been taken to find out what flavour. His throat is red raw, as well as his joints. Can we get a break ordered please? I'll share it with you all.

Right. Coffee!

mopsytop Tue 25-Sep-12 18:18:42

Oh dear. Misfortune appears to be the order of the day sad here's hoping tomorrow is better! Minim has been the grumpiest/clingiest of all grumpy cling-ons today, which hopefully means she's on the mend. When she's truly miserable she's cuddly and silent. Grumpy and clingy is recovery stage I think! I am exhausted! But fingers crossed she's on the mend. 24 hrs since she has vommed ... Hope I'm not tempting fate ...

Figgygal Tue 25-Sep-12 19:01:58

God DS has not stopped crying and moaning since he got home he's not come back with his book from cm telling me how much sleep he has had today am suspecting not much sad what a racket!!
I blame him for me burning my tea ....had to cook for myself as dh still Ill in bed.

Dh goes away on Saturday for a week tonight has been a good test it could have been worse.

Northern Love that number plate grin

Kitty Gotta love a goo bargain smile

Kate That's pants. They can only splint it.

It's going to be a long night sad my poorly little lady is having trouble settling.

So, lemme see, we have:
- Vomiting baby hopefully on the mend
- A bed-ridden DH
- Snotty babies x 756434857920257
- A respiratory tract infection
- A UTI hopefully disappearing
- A broken toe
- Strep throat

And eight sads on this page alone.

Just a normal 24 hours in the life of the Dec '11 crew, yay confused

As well as that break, I think we all need a box of robust health and germ repellent wrapped up under the tree with a sparkly bow...

Have you landed safely Oi, despite Easyjet's best attempts?

Enjoy the pie kitty, it's always good to do something sweet and lardy for the OH's birthday treat! I did a massive choccie cake back in May for DP, and may do chocolate fondant puds this weekend.
Am off to experiment with pork chops and sauces, not tried it before and have no receipe, but sure it'll be fine grin!

Couldn't believe it when I saw it DSM, what are the chances?!

Oh, and nine sads now... hope she settles soon.

BJR Tue 25-Sep-12 19:59:12

Oh dear, hope all the poorly/broken people start to feel better soon.

I shall add a spotty baby to the collection. Picked him up from nursery today to be told he spent most of it crying and had a grand total of zero naps not even 5 minutes. Got him home to find he is covered from head to toe in spots, i'm surprised they didn't notice.

Question for those using nurseries (and anyone else who can tell me if i'm being too PFB) DS's nappy was dirty when I picked him up today and he usually comes home with bad nappy rash that clears up quickly on his days at home. He's only there two days a week at the moment, but in the last 3 weeks his nappy has been dirty when i've got there 3 times (and looked like it had been that way for a while). Is it being PFB to mention it to them?

LittleMissFlustered Tue 25-Sep-12 20:19:00

I'd be having a word, looks like they're not checking nappies often enough. In fact, I'd point out he's always dirty, and he only ever has rash when he's with them. It's pretty naff behaviour.

Boo is asleep. Octoboy is asleep. My bangers and mash is cooking nicelygrin

Oh... I wouldn't say you're being PFB BJR. DS has only been at nursery about three weeks, but don't think we've ever picked him up and he's had a dirty nappy. And the fact that he was covered in spots and they hadn't noticed would concern me a bit as well. Personally, I wouldn't be happy, and would definitely speak to them at least.

Btw, have you spoken to a Doc/NHS Direct or someone about the spots, what have they said?

mopsytop Tue 25-Sep-12 20:23:22

No bjr not precious at all. Babies sdn't be left sitting around in dirty happier. Mine change her even if she does one just as I arrive to get her!

I defs tempted fate w my last post. Projectile vomit all over me and (luckily wooden) floor. Grim. Why is she only
Vomiting in the evenings? It's weird. Already woken up twice crying and only been in bed an hr sad bad night ahead again for 5th night in a row, I fear. Knackered and headache starting so am off to bed now. Hope everyone has an ok night!

mopsytop Tue 25-Sep-12 20:24:26

Nappies not happier! Gah!

Figgygal Tue 25-Sep-12 20:33:51

Bjr no you not being pfb at all mention it! My cm delivers DS home every night in a new nappy and he seems to get changed 4/5 times a day nursery shouldn't be any different u definitely don't need that

CherryBlossom27 Tue 25-Sep-12 20:44:06

Ha! I think you've summed it up nicely Northern!

On a happier front, DS slept for 3 hours this morning and an hour and a half this afternoon, so 5.5 hours in total - hopefully all the rest will speed up his recovery! smile We asked our friend to look after DS today and he was really good! She said he was missing us when we left but was ok as long as he was being held and then had a bottle and went to sleep on his bottle! It's the first time anyone apart from FIL has looked after him, so I'm pleased he was ok.

BJR no you're not being pfb! When I looked around a nursery, they said they change nappies 3 hourly and do change nappies in between if required. I'd say I change DS's nappy every 4 hours at home, I tend to do a nappy change after each feed and his bum is fine. Definitely ask them to change it more regularly and tell them why.

Right, I'm off to bed for an early night and for read my book! Fingers crossed for a peaceful night for all!

MissRee Tue 25-Sep-12 20:48:37

BJR do you know how many nappy changes they do during the day? Might be worth noting how many nappies you put in his bag/how many are left when you pick him up. Will give you an indication of whether its just bad luck that he poops as you pick him up or they're not changing him frequently enough. I'd definitely say something though - he shouldn't be left sitting in poop and certainly not to he extent he gets nappy rash, poor little man sad

I would also mention the spots - surely someone would have picked up on it during the day? Regardless, they need to know if its anything potentially contagious, don't they?

BJR Tue 25-Sep-12 20:49:41

Ok, thank you! I'm glad to get a bit of reassurance that it doesn't sound quite right and it's not just me. Will talk to them next time he goes in.

Spoke to NHS direct about spots and as he seems ok in himself once he was home and doesn't have temp they said to call GP in the morning for appointment if he's still spotty. It's happened a few times, GP thought it was allergies last time.

Poor minim, hope she has an ok night.

BJR Tue 25-Sep-12 21:06:23

They have 3 times a day where all the babies are changed so about every three hours, plus extras if nappies are dirty in between. They tell you at the end of the day if they were dirty or wet nappies. He only ever seems to have 3 changes even if two were dirty. Which makes me a bit suspicious that he is in the nappy untill the allocated change time regardless if its dirty or not.

MissRee Tue 25-Sep-12 21:10:32

That doesn't sound right to me hmm surely they can smell if its dirty??? How could they then leave it unchanged? Or do I have the only baby who can gas a room out with a good old poop? grin

Nah MissRee, DS's rear end is very productive in terms of volume and stink-ability. I can tell without holding/sniffing if he's done a special...

Glad the spots sound benign BJR, relatively speaking. I think your GP should be a bit more helpful, if a baby is coming out in spots regularly and is unhappy, they should do a bit more- I know nothing in this area, but if the GP thinks it's an allergy shouldn't they test?
Let us know how it goes with the nursery.

And poor MiniM, she (and you!) have had no luck at all on the health front. Glad your ear is at least a bit better, that's a start. And blame me mopsy, I cursed you with writing down she was on the mend...

Sky gets a nappy change regularly at nursery - I get the times & if wet or dirty too! So I don't think your being PFB. Also they should of noticed the spots if they are quite prominent,

Sky is finally asleep. How long it lasts for I don't know, so off to catch some zzzz quick.

Night y'all

GeeandTee Tue 25-Sep-12 21:37:54

What is happening today??!!

I can add a cut gum and two snotty noses to the mix. DS woke up with not much voice at all (but still claims he's fine, just like he claims he's not tired while sitting in his highchair unable to open his eyes hmm ), DD is full of cold and raspy snoring at night, and then tried to pull herself up on a toybox this morning, slipped and bashed her lip and gum. There was blood everywhere, I thought I would have to go to A+E but I got it to slow down after 5 mins and it stopped after 10 mins. Spoke to GP on the phone and he said to come and see him in a few days to see how it is healing. My cream carpet didn't fare very well either!

bjr I think you need to have a strong word with the nursery, I wouldn't be happy at all.

I am trying DD on dairy again today, we'll see how the night goes!

GeeandTee Tue 25-Sep-12 21:40:05

TMI but DD's nappies seem to smell the same coming out as they did going in!! Its very obvious from the other end of the room!

KateM77 Tue 25-Sep-12 21:47:21

bjr definitely say something. DD came home from her first nursery in London once so dirty that she was bright red all over her bum and up her back. I took a photo and texted it to DH, and he showed it to the person in charge of the room when he dropped her off the next day. She never came home like that again!

Thanks for all the toe-related sympathy. I have now downgraded my initial assessment from broken, but still hobbling about and hoping I'll be able to put weight on it tomorrow.

Aethelfleda Tue 25-Sep-12 23:01:59

<very quietly puts on the all-night coffee pot and tea urn in case any of us are requiring...>

LittleMissFlustered Tue 25-Sep-12 23:15:50

<tops up the thermal mug and pops a plate of gooey brownies down in return>
brew biscuit
My boys are asleep for now. Get my big baby girl back tomorrow. Can it be Sunday yet?

OiMissus Tue 25-Sep-12 23:48:47

Bjr not right. If BOi poops, it's obvious, and he should be changed immediately. The nursery does tend to have shifts, which I applaud, but they need to make sure that no poops have escaped meantime.
I must admit that if he hasn't pooped, during the day, that I don't always remember to change every 3 hrs. But if he poops, he won't be in that nappy for more than 5 mins. Nursery shouldn't be different. BOi has been going 2x per week for 5 months now and i have only ever met him once when he was dirty. ...still, if you pick up at the same time, that could be his routine time to poop. - definitely raise the question.
(Landed safely anyway. Stoopid easyjet grrrr.)
Loved the dsm number plate.bi'm going to have to buy B01 ASH, aren't I!? grin
northern it was a German landlady and a pork chop that taught me to cook. ...She looked thru the fridge and cupboards. Found chops, onion, mushrooms, cream and left over champagne - it was delicious! And I realised the beauty of being able to "just throw it in."
Greetings from Copenhagen. Spent a might drinking wine and putting the world to rights. As you do.
And - as you were. wink

OiMissus Tue 25-Sep-12 23:51:00

(He he he! The beauty of "left-over champagne"!! Ha ha.
Was probably Sekt.)
G'night. X

Figgygal Wed 26-Sep-12 07:04:00

Can someone tell ds that 6am is not play time and that he is too young to play woth an ipad he makes a beeline for it and then tantrums when i take it off him confused

LittleMissFlustered Wed 26-Sep-12 08:18:48

Not a hope in hell Figgy bth my boys are morning people, and obsessed with the shinies >_<

Octoboy started the day by throwing up all over himself, me and the bed. Classy!

<goes for a bath>

mopsytop Wed 26-Sep-12 08:30:19

On dear LMF exact same here. 2 voms so far. Me and the bed (all over my beautiful expensive Siberian goose down pillow <sob>) and then all over husband/kitchen floor. She has been vomiting since fri night now. GP didn't seem worried and said just a bug but how long do bugs last? Fri night-sat might she was vomiting all day after any food or drink but Sun, mon, tues only in the evening. But now in the morning again. This seems weird to me. No temp though. And hasnt eaten anything new except prawns (in fish pie) on fri but if it was an allergy ad it last this long?

LittleMissFlustered Wed 26-Sep-12 08:38:37

If its gastro enteritis it can last what feels like foreversad

Hope she's feeling less sick soonsmile

Figgygal Wed 26-Sep-12 08:44:17

Oh dear so many sick babies!!

Dh is up today and is currently doing breakfast and dressing with DS, News of the morning Little one has decided that he can stand up and pulled himself up on the sofa of course it was in pursuit of the iPad confused which we thought was out of reach he is very impressed with himself!!

LMF & Mopsy Hope the vomiting stops soon.

I've got Sky home from nursery today as she is still quite chesty. However, we had a better night sleep thanks to calpol, teething powder & karvol drops grin

anairofhope Wed 26-Sep-12 10:13:55

Hope is 10 months old today smile

I have a cold and feel ill.

Its photo day at airs school today.

When air was at nursary they only changed him at the allocated time. I would get in notebook 2) wet 1)dirty or 1) dry 2)wet and i had to send bum cream and they would put it on all the time. They also only give them drinks at snack and dinner time not inbetween.

Kitty5824 Wed 26-Sep-12 11:07:40

Yesterdays snotty sneezes have indeed developed into total snot monster. It's the first time we ('cos I've obviously got it too!) had a cold since we stopped BF. Which at least means I can medicate myself!! But that would mean leaving the house, so maybe not....

He was up pretty much all night, but I've managed to get him to nap from 6.30 till now so I've had a decent sleep this morning at leasthmm

Was feeling quite sorry for myself, until I remembered all the snot and vomit, broken toes, bleeding babies, etc etc.

I'm so glad I've got this thread. I would feel so out of my depth without you lot!

My £1 stash of clothes is reasonable quality. Mostly highstreet, one pair of cord trousers is very worn at the knee (these will be his new outfit for messy play!!) some of the vests are a bit stained, but will just dump them on a hot wash. Am very pleased!!

There are a couple of t-shirts with Little Brother on them. Which DS isn't! Any of you want them?

Xiaoxiong Wed 26-Sep-12 11:46:42

So sorry to hear everyone's ill!! I hope all babes and parents feel better soon. We're luckily all hale and hearty here, DS's snots and Dickensian orphan cough seem to have cleared up completely and he slept through the night again so we are all quite well rested.

If only I wasn't having a comedy pratfall sort of day - you know, hole in tights, too-short skirt riding up so I'm pulling it down every 5 minutes, forgot umbrella in the rain so hair has gone sproing, Oyster out of cash so held up fuming queue of commuters at barrier, slipped on wet floor in Waterloo station, emailed the wrong person at work because their names are so similar...blush I should just crawl in a hole really and try again tomorrow.

In other news I have just been sent some Polarn O Pyret codes which can be used online if anyone is looking - not 45 items for £1 bargainous but they do do very good winter stuff in particular (as you'd expect from a Scandi company I guess). I bought a fleece jacket for DS in the sale, so I think I'm going to get the baby waterproof coat that the fleece pops into for him, and some thermals.
£5 off when you spend over £25 use code REWARD5
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mopsytop Wed 26-Sep-12 13:20:22

This baby literally will not let me put her down. I also have to feed her 5ml of dioralyte every 5 minutes and she's constantly wailing because she is hungry and thirsty but she just throws up if I give her more. Also on 15 minute nappy checks as have a bag in it to catch her wee for a urine sample. So she can't nap and is cross about that too. I am so tired!

KateM77 Wed 26-Sep-12 13:49:55

((hugs)) for mopsy and minim and Get Well Soon to all the other poorly ones out there.

xiao hope your day has improved. I hate days like that!

The toe is now an interesting variety of colours, bruised all over, and I think I've damaged the ligaments. I am able to walk and drive today though, albeit a little uncomfortably.

Slightly late addition to the gifts for kids discussion, but I have found these websites, which are good:

Wicked Uncle
Crafts 4 Kids

mopsytop Wed 26-Sep-12 14:22:34

Poor you Kate, broken toes suck sad

The bloody wee collector bag didn't work, back to her sitting on a pot. <sigh>. <mega sigh>

OiMissus Wed 26-Sep-12 16:55:33

Ladies, you have my sympathies. sad

Xiaoxiong Wed 26-Sep-12 17:35:15

Ah thanks Kate - my day's just funny-bad, not bloody awful like everyone else's!! And at least the dumpling is feeling better, so all is right in tyel/xiao-land.

(((hugs))) for
Oi for being away from her bOi
mopsy for the vom and wee sample and clinging
kate for the broken toe
LMF for strep and rashes
figgy for being a trooper about her poor ipad grin
kitty for cold and snots
air for cold (and snots too, I hope/fear)
DSM for nasty chesty cough and missing the Caribbean breezes
bjr for nappy rash
Gee for cut gum and snots
aethel for dream house and hopefully improving DD
seven and AWCH for BFPs in your near future
(anyone else?)

I wish I could give you all a brew and a biscuit (in a nice way) - we're over the hump everyone - only tomorrow and friday and then it's the weekend, hurrah!! It's an exeat so we'll be in London this weekend, if anyone wants to meet up smile

LittleMissFlustered Wed 26-Sep-12 17:44:02

Tomorrow is four one better, it has been decreed!

Tonight is a Doctor Who catch up with the reassembled spawnsgrin

Aethelfleda Wed 26-Sep-12 19:05:51

Oh no for all the poorly beebs and mums! mopsy in particular sounds grot, but what is it with them all at the moment?!?!

We had teething grump at 1.30 and 5am, tooth number two is proving stubborn in extremis. Have two houses to look at tomorrow, neither ideal on paper, but may be pleasently surprised on viewing, you never know. There is nothing (literally) on sale in the exact areas we want, so having to think outside the box a little. Next viewing here Friday so it's clearup time tonight (as have a PTA meeting tomorrow evening).

<puts on yet another coffee pot and hands around some of those gloopy cinnamon waffle things you gets in Holland (Stroopwafflen) and in Starbucks>


Nowt compared to what you lot are going through- we're just in the snot and 'Dickensian orphan cough grin' state of Xiao and family, although in DS's case he went all hoarse and pathetic sounding. That's gone, but he's spreading the snot everywhere- was in his hair and (TMI) encrusted all over my boob after this morning's bf. And he hates it being wiped.
He wouldn't settle last night, so I spent the night with him, and got up at 5.30...urgh. And DS is obsessed with the laptop (even though he has his own little computer) so we're in the same boat figgy confused

I did similar Oi- deglazed the pan with brandy, chucked in some cream and mustard, and served over the chops- all good! Glad you seem to be having a good time in Copenhagen, hope it lasts

Oh poor you and MiniM mopsy, that sounds awful, she must be really suffering. Have you managed to catch wee? Hope you get a diagnosis and some treatment soon, and that you both get some rest.

LittleMissFlustered Wed 26-Sep-12 21:30:42

Octoboy, in sleepybabyzombie mode just latched onto my duvet, and didn't notice for almost a minute >_< Dippy boy!grin

He's quite mobile at the minute, by reversing and rolling he's going all over. He gets monumentally disgusted with the universe when he gets himself wedged into a corner or a cubby hole though. I laugh, which seems to confuse him as he is loving happy mummy, but frustrated by his predicamentgrin

Think we are in for a long night Chez DSM sad although hoping Sky is getting the message time to sleep. Her crying is starting to wind down bless her. Is it wrong to leave her to slightly sob in her cot after comforting her to no avail?!

Xiaoxiong Wed 26-Sep-12 22:27:24

Northern DS would scream and flail if I tried to get at his nose - the only way I've found is if I make it a game - make eye contact with him, then exaggeratedly pretend-wipe my nose with a cloth, then actually wipe his, then pretend-wipe mine etc. After three or four go-rounds he was slightly less snotty. I miss when he was tiny and we could just do the saline drops and suction his nose without having to hold him down!!

aethel I'm sorry you're not finding what you need sad I know your dream house out there somewhere - are you considering expanding your search a few stations further out on the train line?

<takes stroopwafflen and offers you croissant smeared in speculoos>

Xiaoxiong Wed 26-Sep-12 22:31:55

DSM isn't that just the best - you put them down when they're crying and think "I'll go back in 5 minutes if they're still hysterical" and then you hear it sloooooowly winding down...getting a bit more sleepy sounding....and then blessed silence.

LMF Octoboy sounds adorable - love him latching onto the duvet and sucking away industriously grin

LittleMissFlustered Wed 26-Sep-12 23:43:09

My duvet must be related to the towels of Hitchhikers fame, soaked in tasty minerals and nutrients for the busy traveller/sleep babygrin

I am tired, but I stupidly drank coke. So my brain is bouncing an my body is flagging. Gah!

Aethelfleda Thu 27-Sep-12 07:42:06

<wheels in large trolley of bacon butties, vat of golden syrup porridge, and the Dec-11engraved coffee vat>

first night in two weeks we had both a dry DD2, and no teething wakeups from DS! (she seems fine now. Go anecdotal evidence!)

Hope the poorly peeps are starting to rally....

mopsytop Thu 27-Sep-12 08:04:06

Minimopsy slept a bit better last night. Fingers crossed she keeps her bottle down now... I'm going in!

Sky had a good night apart from the 2 wake ups where she had coughing/retching fits. Seems good this morning so sent her to nursery.

DD1 was good this morning albeit a little on slow side getting dressed!!

So quiet household, which means housework blitz! Then chill as I've woken up with sore throat & sore chest.

GeeandTee Thu 27-Sep-12 09:48:44

Rough night here, DD woke up every 30 mins until 12.30, then was wide awake and wanting to play at 3.30am, got her back to sleep at 5am, then up at 6.45am. I got about 4 hrs in total sad

DS wants to make cookies this morning. Not sure I can face it. We might make fish cakes instead, then at least dinner is sorted.

Hmmmm, I have never experienced that winding down cry with DD, she only ever goes up and into hysterical. She is one determined little lady like her mummy

Hope the viewings go well aethel and all the ill mums and babies get better soon. DD's gum is totally healed now but she has severed the frenulum completely (membrane from gums above top front teeth to the lip) so will take her to GP tomorrow just for him to look at it.

OiMissus Thu 27-Sep-12 11:47:18

<<dancing and doing the boy-band, horizontal circular arm-dance>>
...On the way to the airport now. grin

mopsytop Thu 27-Sep-12 16:26:20

Oh dear, over 24 hrs vomit free, and she just did a massive vom sad she's had diarrhoea twice today also which she hadn't had up to now. How long will this last!? It's been 7 days now. Done three loads of laundry today, another to go and now all these vomit soaked towels as well. I had craftily arranged them on her bedroom floor just on case. Good thing too, easier to wash towels than scrub carpet..,

mopsytop Thu 27-Sep-12 17:48:21

And another big vom. When will it end? Feel like crying!

Figgygal Thu 27-Sep-12 17:56:09

Blimey Mopsy can you call an out of hours GP again? that sounds horrible!!

I am not going to see figgyboy tonight am off to a fashion show to check out the autumn winter fashions as i am a coat and dress addict, DH will therefore be putting him to bed for the first time since 21st July, it will be very strange but looking forward to me time.

mopsytop Thu 27-Sep-12 18:19:49

GP didn't seem worried figgy and said vomiting bugs can last for a while sad so I suppose I will just have to sit it out

mopsytop Thu 27-Sep-12 18:21:00

Oh abs enjoy the fashion show!

OiMissus Thu 27-Sep-12 18:41:02

Poor minimopsy! And poor you. It must be awful.sadsadsad
Enjoy your very fashionable night out figgy!
I am planning a shoppi fest tomorrow. grin
Home with my boi now. And he walked for me!!!5-6 steps with his arms in the air! All very frantic, but absolutely fabulous!!! gringringrin

LittleMissFlustered Thu 27-Sep-12 18:48:01

Yay for walking BOi!

Today has been a mood swinger. I should get an appointment with my doctor, but I'm just not sure that I'm ready to admit I need help yet sad

Eldest minion is being formally welcomed to her new cub pack tonight, like another investiture, where she gets the new necker. this one is tartan, ver' snazzy! Rock and rollgrin

OiMissus Thu 27-Sep-12 19:51:19

Girl cubs with tartan neckerchiefs! Don't mind admitting I'm a little bit jealous. I was a brownie, and the yellow tie thing was very dull in comparison.

seven77 Thu 27-Sep-12 20:35:47

mopsy poor thing, that sounds horrible. I really hope she's on the mend soon.

kate I'm fairly certain I broke my toe a few months ago, so sympathy as it was bloody painful!

Hope all of the other poorly LO's are better soon. Eva was massively sick just before I put her to bed, 4 times in just a couple of minutes, just after her milk so I expect it will be an early start tomorrow. I'm thinking some sort of stomach bug, after the first couple of times I sat her down then shd was sick again doubled right over like her tummy could have been hurting sad.

oi must have been fantastic coming home and BOi walking for you!

figgy enjoy the fashion show!

It was my nieces 2nd birthday today, we went to her party, which was interrupted by my mum getting a phone call from the developers of their house. She got off the phone looking really miserable and told my dad right in front of us that the developers just want to get it finalised. Cue us making a hasty exit before DH swore at my parents, we're equally angry, he's more likely to say something, whereas I'm still trying to keep the peace and stewing over it. Such a shame though as DS was having a lovely time, I knew they wouldn't be able to help bringing it up and ruining the party sad.

Sorry, I expect you're probably all getting fed up with me ranting about it now blush.

seven77 Thu 27-Sep-12 20:40:33

Meant to say gee after your awful night was it you that said about re-introducing dairy? We haven't had any lactose-containing dairy for a couple of months, and I'm not giving her any until she's a year, I feel too awful when it causes her pain and I know it's my fault sad. Do you think it's a dairy intolerance/allergy or could it just be lactose? Thankfully Eva's is just lactose so we can still buy lacto-free cheese, milk, butter and yoghurts.

No, seven, house moves and family are two very stressful things even as individual problems, never mind together, and it sounds like its having a really toxic (to use a fave MN word) effect. The Dec '11 thread is here for exactly this sort of thing, vent away!

I'd call the doctor's again mopsy; if she's got diarrhoea as well now then the illness has gotten worse, and therefore I'd get another view in light of it. As Aethel always says, any caring, decent doctor will never be bothered by people contacting them about their ill babies. <Hugs> for you both though, it sounds totally miserable.

Aw, you're far nicer than me Xiao, I just get him into a position where he can't turn his head and leap in! He's been objecting slightly less now we've been doing it a few days, poor little effort.

Today has been rather crap...on the long running DP-flexible-hours saga, he's been refused, twice, with no reason. This time round, when it appeared post meeting that they'd actually reached an agreement, for them just to send a letter saying 'nope', he had to appeal it formally. He approached one manager who said the problem was the hours- DP was 'mistaken' thinking that they were negotiable (erm, they sent him away to look up the nursery times to fit in hmm), and that they had made a firm offer in the meeting of 12-5.
DP writes his appeal to say, "hey, it's totally crap for us, and we really want 1-6, but we'll take 12-5". He approaches other manager to check, who tells him that there was in fact no firm offer in the meeting, that they plan to reject his request, and they may reconsider around Xmas.

I hope they all get scrofula for Xmas.

DP will be looking for other jobs, but we'll need to make DS permanent full-time at nursery.


Figgygal Thu 27-Sep-12 21:24:25

Typical bought nothing for me spent nigh on £50 on figgyboy!!

Way to go Boi can't wait to see it on fb

LMF The tartan neckerchief is cool.

Oi Yay for BOi walking a few steps for you. I used to be a Brownie when we had the brown dress with yellow tie. Uniform has all changed now much more comfier! With cargo pants, t-shirt, hoodie, body Warner etc.

Mopsy I would seek a 2nd opinion by GP about MiniM bless her.

Gee Hope you get a better night sleep.

Seven That's pants re the house. Maybe DH should say something as its out of your hands the speed of things.

Sky seems a lot better today and not so snotty tonight so hoping for a better night...I'm off to catch a few zzzz incase she wakes. Night y'all smile

LittleMissFlustered Thu 27-Sep-12 21:48:21

The tartan necker is the business. I'll take a picture of her next week looking all greengrin

OiMissus Thu 27-Sep-12 21:50:54

That sounds tres uncomfortable seven. Vent away.
Gah for your DH's job situation, hope he finds something soon and can tell them to shove it.
I hope that we'll catch BOi's steps over the weekend on video. - I'll need it to keep me going when I'm away from home all next week. -I have loads of videos on my phone. smile

LittleMissFlustered Thu 27-Sep-12 22:31:33

All hail the shiny tech!

Aethelfleda Thu 27-Sep-12 23:58:15

<shuffles in>

hiya. **viewing tomorrow when am at work. So havespent last three hours tidying house. Only consolation is saw two houses today, one shockingly overpriced (rotten sills, crap layout, v dated, everything stank of fags) and one rather do-able: only downers are 1) I'd lose my lovely kitchen-diner (it has a 10 ft square kitchen but no room for a table due to layout. I reckon we could redesign it eventually) and it's close to an electricity substation (but I can't hear it in the house/garden and google says it's not a health hazard). It's one of the first houses I've thought weight actually be able to go for, and much nicer street than the other house we saw for a similar price. Hmm. Would need to see if we could negociate though as the askingprice is beyond our means. Need a buyer for ours first really. Anyway, it's not perfect, but it's a possible which is progress!!

Puking bug-wise, hope the Doc was OK with you: it's quite usual for beebs to puke for 24-48 hours and then the runs kick in for up to seven days, so actually it's not worrying jn itself. What is important os that baby doesnt get dehydrated (but you're onto that, I heard you mention dioralyte).hope things improve soon!

<shuffles off to bed in hope of sleep, leaving the coffeepot on standby>

LittleMissFlustered Fri 28-Sep-12 04:26:28

<tiptoes in> 9:30 - 4:15! <falls over>

hawthers Fri 28-Sep-12 06:43:55

Gah rough night over here. DS1 vomiting and DS2 teething. Oh dear bob how long do those top teeth take to come through. We've been at this for ages.

mopsytop Fri 28-Sep-12 07:10:45

aethel she's been puking for seven days! Is that normal? Only got runs on day 7 of puking...

GeeandTee Fri 28-Sep-12 09:50:04

seven yes I reintroduced dairy on Tuesday, she was ok that night, then we had the waking every half hour Weds night and last night was even worse. Thing is, she's absolutely fine and happy in the day, it just seems to affect her sleeping. Also strange that it didn't have an immediate effect on Tuesday night.

I tried her with lactose-free milk and cream cheese last week and her sleeping got worse, although not as bad as the past few nights. At the time I just thought it was a coincidence but now I'm thinking maybe she has cow's milk protein intolerance.

Will mention it to GP today as he's going to look at her lip. I would like to start replacing the breastfeeds in the day with formula, is soya the only option? I'm not keen on soya really, worried that it affects hormones and its all genetically modified too.

GeeandTee Fri 28-Sep-12 09:51:52

mopsy if I were you I would take her back to the GP today just for reassurance, and to avoid the OOH drs at the weekend (who, around here anyway, are really really awful).

Figgygal Fri 28-Sep-12 18:25:28

News of the day figgyboy has teeth.....well a tooth.....well the top of one just gave him a bath and spotted it. FINALLY was starting to think he wouldn't get any ever and would just gum food forever grin. A bit worried that he will be a nightmare with them and I am on my own for a week from tomorrow morning so on 100% boy duty which is quite scary. Even scarier is the fact that I am going to have to cook for both of us For a week.

Other good news of day is I've survived baby swim class 2 without the searing muscle pain I encountered last week. One problem I have encountered however is that the baby change cubicles are always and then as there are more of us on the class then there are cubicles. Last week I had to pop him on the floor wrapped in towels while I got dressed, this week I brought the pushchair with me so I thought he could go in there however the wheels are too big and it didn't go through the door so again he ended up on the floor is that what others do? Any other suggestions?

Dh is currently cooking a guilty curry for us for dinner since its our last meal together until he gets back next Saturday night......plan is lots of x factor and other non approved tv to be enjoyed without all his complaining grin

Figgygal Fri 28-Sep-12 18:27:03

That should have said cubicles are always full bloody Siri

I'm a proud mummy & grand-daughter today.

Darcie got person of the week at school. For all her hard work, excellent homework & settling into yr3 well. grin

My nan had Gastroscopy today and she didn't freak out too much and the result is all is normal smile

Darcie is at my mums tonight. So Ryder Cup & Dominos is in order for our evening hehe.

mopsytop Fri 28-Sep-12 18:45:32

More projectile vomiting here, will it ever end? GP said still looks like a bug, just v long lasting but if it gets worse to call ooh doctor or lasts longer than middle of next week to get back to him. He was very reassuring. I love that particular GP. Our practice in general is excellent but he's just brilliant, always really listens and takes you seriously. I managed to get her to vomit on the wooden floor today. I cunningly fed her only near a big space of floor. So cleaning up was a bit easier.

figgy I end up putting her on the floor too, pools just don't seem to have changing facilities designed for babies. One of the pools we go to the floor is concrete and gets soaked, so it's a bit of a nightmare in fact! We are having dirty frozen pizza (Dr. Oetker margarita yum!) and wine tonight, I can't wait! It has been a trying day (week).

Hope you all have lovely plans for the weekend. I am working.

BJR Fri 28-Sep-12 19:27:21

Hope minim is feeling better soon, sounds like you've had an exhausting week.

Figgy when I take DS swimming at my gym it's easy as they have a playpen in the changing rooms and its never very busy. When the 4 of us go to the local swimming pool its a bit of a nightmare. I tend to try and get dressed as fast as I can, mostly one handed while trying to stop DS climbing on the benches with the other hand!

DP is away tonight enjoying a fancy dinner, night out and a hotel all funded by one of his contractors. I'm very envy, although looking forward to a peaceful evening with my book and a takeaway.

DS is no longer spotty but instead has gunky eyes, am just using cotton wool and water to clean them at the moment. Anyone know if you can get anything over the counter for it or am I going to have to try and get a GP appointment? Nursery won't take him if its not cleared up by Tuesday and I have no back up childcare!

hawthers Fri 28-Sep-12 19:40:37

Get some infective eye drops from the pharmacy. Should work well I think. If you can get the boost things in his eye...

LittleMissFlustered Fri 28-Sep-12 19:56:45

I had cream for octoboy's gunky eye when breastmilk failed to clear it up, but it was prescribed. I have no idea if you can get it on minor ailments, it's worth ringing your pharmacist and asking thoughsmile

OiMissus Fri 28-Sep-12 21:05:02

Evening all, BOi has shoes!
They're "cruisers" from Clarks. They are soft bottomed, and will only be worn in the pram in cold weather, but nursery asked for wellies in the wet, so I thought I'd better get advice. He has 4H sized shoes for his fat-up-top feets. grin
We then had yo sushi ( he had fruit and pancakes), I had sashimi and rare beef bits. gringrin
Then I spent lots of money on us. He got White Company pyjamas and a dressing gown. I got a skirt, 4 tops, and wanted to buy some boots, but they insisted they only had the display pair, and I was tired, so I said I wouldn't bother. - I didn't believe her. It was Selfridges, they were size 5 - we all know they had more than 1 pair in stock.
I'll try the local retail park tomorrow. I need some for next week.
I heart shoppi!

LittleMissFlustered Fri 28-Sep-12 21:13:32

Cruisers are deal for toddler groups with stupidly cold tile floors toogrin

Did you have the obligatory daft photo taken by the youngest and most inept staff member? 'tis the rules!

I'm off to bed. Been a long week. Boo is mending, no rash left, just a rather nasty coldsore. The elder minion seems to be coming down with it though, her throat is red rawsad

Night all, may it be uninterrupted and filled with good dreams!

seven77 Fri 28-Sep-12 21:27:14

gee I know you can get formula which is soya and dairy free but I don't know anything about it. If she needs specialist formula it might be worth a chat with your HV or GP, I get Eva's on prescription.

Good luck looking for boots oi.

DSM well done to Darcie and your nan smile

DD had no more vomiting after last night, though I think DS is getting a cold. He's been a bit snotty today, getting worse towards bedtime. I expect him to wake up full of cold in the morning. I've heard nothing from my parents, my mum normally turns up unannounced on Frudag night but obviously hasn't dared!

seven77 Fri 28-Sep-12 21:28:56

Gah, Friday!

Sorry the other one is getting it LMF sad

Aethelfleda Fri 28-Sep-12 21:43:17

Yawn. Am knackered and me back hurts. Low back ache is the pits.

<furtles for ibuprofen>.

dH has gone out to a friends' boardgames night (I will get to go next month!) so have stuffed cheeky tesco effnic curry ready-foods for dinner. Frozen stuffed parathas and dahl are fab!

Oh dear mopsy, didn't realise it was that long! Sometimes after puky bugs babies find it hard to tolerate solids, esp dairy ones, for a while. But usually wears off quite soon so hopefully wi be temporary...gp sounds v sensible.

gee rather than soya, if babies are dairy allergic the GP can prescribe Nutramigen which is modified formula. It tastes a bit grim but the cows milk protejn is chopped up to fool the body that it's not from a cow. Most GPs don't prescribe soya formula nowadays cos babies can be allergic to that too.

House spotless and echoey and cold. Am mightily sick of this on the market lark, and grumpy there's not what we want to look at out there. So many houses, and just not where or what we are looking for...

LittleMissFlustered Fri 28-Sep-12 21:53:48

<offers up a large mug of chai to compliment the curry>

I am stalking a sofa on gumtree. Don't mind me!

BJR Fri 28-Sep-12 21:58:24

Gee the formula my HV recommended for DS was Nutramigen she said that its a much better alternative to soy formulas. Its amino acid based so can be used if there is milk, soy or gluten allergies. DS seems to be doing ok with it so far, but GP is very reluctant to prescribe it due to cost. HV had to contact the surgery to get them to sort the prescription, so HV might be a good place to start.

OiMissus Fri 28-Sep-12 21:58:47

(Yes - silly photo taken by silly girl!)
Fingers crossed that the bugs bugger orf for everyone. BOi's still coughing. But he's ok.

OiMissus Fri 28-Sep-12 22:01:56

No chai, thanks. Am well into a bottle of Rioja. wink
And... I think that Friday's meeting has been cancelled, so I may be able to come home on Thursday evening now! (Mon-thurs will be sooooooo much better than min-fri!)
Happy weekend y'all!

Aethelfleda Fri 28-Sep-12 22:25:28

<slurps chai>

<falls into bed>

OiMissus Sat 29-Sep-12 07:06:56

BOi and DH have gone for breakfast. ...So why can't I go back to sleep? Yawn.
Shall I get the vat of coffee rocking?

hawthers Sat 29-Sep-12 07:20:58

Been up since 5 something, all breakfasted and on second cup of tea. It's going to be a long day....

Just a quick one: My sisters water broke this morning and is now at hospital. Hopefully I'll be an Aunt by end of the day grin

Oooh, how exciting DSM! Best of luck to her, and if we can have pictures of gorgeous little newborn I'd be delighted grin

That reminds me, our friend's brother has just become a Dad for the first time. All great except his mother has invited herself to go and stay with the new family for the first few days probably weeks to 'help out', and 'no wasn't taken for an answer' apparently. Poor lass, I can't imagine anything worse, and it's just the classic MIL-from-hell tale you get on here that ruins the relationship forever.

Glad the doc was comforting mopsy, and really hope little MiniM gets better soon.
We're a house of plague too...does snotty nose = explosive bum? DS came home in the nursery's clothes as he'd worked his way through all the spare stuff we sent him with. He's snotty as hell but is still happy...DP is back in bed with the bug

Had a colleague's leaving do last night, only stayed til half 8 and unfortunately I got the member of staff sitting next to me at the meal and in the pub who gets a lot of wine down him and then will spend hours talking at you about politics, his family, politics, religion, trade unions, politics, and on this instance his wife's naked sunbathing...she's very well preserved for someone in her 60s apparently confused!!

Aethelfleda Sat 29-Sep-12 10:47:09

Ewww re: naked sunbathing wives! I hope you upped the ante and told him you were cornering the Essex market with your new mail-order range of diamante-encrusted his n hers vibrators and butt plugs?

Neeeed more tea.....

Yay DSM, v exciting!

Latest news: the Antilop highchair, as well as being great value, doubles as a baby walker....Gulp....

GeeandTee Sat 29-Sep-12 11:21:43

aethel DD loves playing with the Antilop too! We're not quite at walker stage but she pushes it along on her knees.

The GP said that he really doubts DD has a dairy intolerance as if it was CMP intolerance she wouldn't have got better when we stopped her on dairy as I was still eating it and bfeeding. And a lactose intolerance would have other symptoms other than just sleeping badly. I guess it does make sense but...it just seems such an odd conincidence that the day after I give her dairy she starts waking up every half hour. He said to carry on giving dairy for 2 weeks and if she's still sleeping so badly he'll review her again. Does that sound sensible?

Good luck dsm's sister! I have FIVE friends due in October!

Figgygal Sat 29-Sep-12 13:17:11

For those who have had 9mo checks do they measure head circumference? Just had to buy DS a hat (it's a gruffalo hat soon cute) in age 2-3 which seems ridiculous!!

He's just destroyed his first tuna sandwich glad dh isn't here to see the mess of the floor he hoovered and washed yesterday it's everywhere I need lunch inspiration for DS any ideas?

I have a nephew smile Jaxson! Born mid-day not sure of the details

seven77 Sat 29-Sep-12 18:10:47

Ew northern just the mental image I'm sure you needed! I'm very glad my MIL never wants to help look after the DC's, she just visits and brings chocolate!

gee I guess that's sensible advice to see if that could be what's doing it, depends how certain you are that's what's causing it and if you want to sleep at any point during the next fortnight! If you're not sure do you think it could be worth doing a food diary to see if there's any other possibilities? Was she like it at any point before weaning?

mopsy how's minim doing today?

Congrats DSM, that's fab news! Are you and your sister close? It will be lovely for Sky having a cousin less than a year younger, DS has one 5 months younger, unfortunately they live 3 hours away but it's so cute when they play together when they come to visit.

Still no AF (shh!), nearly a week late. DH bought me a test yesterday but I forgot to do it this morning blush, I haven't had a positive until 10 days late in my last 2 pregnancies though, not sure about with DS as I didn't know when I was due.

LittleMissFlustered Sat 29-Sep-12 18:57:03

Pee on the damn stick woman!

Need coffee.

Seven Thanks. Fingers crossed you get a BFP.

DSis had a really quick labour cow first time and active labour calculated at 2.5hrs. My first labour was 10.5 envy. Baby's heart rate kept dropping during transition so they needed to get baby out, she ended up with episiotomy and burst a blood vessel on her cervix which needed stitches and ended up losing 2 pints of blood which resulted in blood transfusion. Haven't seen them yet. Only hearing things from mum. Seen a pic and he is a diddy little boy and spitting image of his dad!

We are sort of close but not majorly. She does think a lot of my girls tho.

Jaxson Sidney 6lbs 8oz smile

Aethelfleda Sat 29-Sep-12 20:11:56

Newsflash: Aldi do mini cheescake dessert things (strawberry or lemon varieties) 3 for £1.09. They are yummy and completely unsuitable diet food. You will now be returned to your usual programming.

And I agree seven, pee on the stick already!!!

gee I had a friend whose baby had a terrible time with eczema and with severe CMP allergy. the allergy doctors at St Thomas's (they are great) told her that it depends on how intolerant a baby is of cows milk protein. The more mildly allergic babies are OK with mums breastmilk when mums are eating dairy, but react when they are given dairy directly. Only the ten percent of babies who are most highly allergic will react to any dairy in their BF mums diet too. So it can be worth doing a Nutramigen trial for two weeks even if baby was OK on your breast milk when you ate dairy. But It should be something you agree with your doctor rather than just doing cos a random bint on the internet recommended it!

More tea, vicar?

OiMissus Sat 29-Sep-12 20:34:25

On the Rioja again, - thanks anyway. grin
Fingers crossed seven!

Seven When are you going to POAS? Suspense is killing us.

Aethel Yum cheesecake. Sod the diet grin

seven77 Sat 29-Sep-12 21:42:09

Sorry, will do it in the morning! Expect a negative even if I'm pregnant though until next week.

dsm wow, that labour is even faster than mine (3 hours!).

LittleMissFlustered Sat 29-Sep-12 21:44:59

I have been productive today. It doesn't agree with me >_<

I am going to buy paint next week, and hire a skip. It's all go!

seven77 Sun 30-Sep-12 06:34:55

It's very positive grin

hawthers Sun 30-Sep-12 06:47:37

Woo hoo! That's great news congratulations!! grin grin grin

BJR Sun 30-Sep-12 07:57:20

Congratulations Seven!

Seven Congratulations gringringringrin

<waves Pom poms for Seven >

Figgygal Sun 30-Sep-12 08:42:21

Yay for Seven

OiMissus Sun 30-Sep-12 08:45:27

Congratulations seven!!! grin
I do not want to get pregnant yet. I do not want to get pregnant yet. I do not...
But just a little bit of me does, and wants to be on that journey with you again.
No. Stoppit OiMissus!! Give it a year. Or at least 6 months... Or...

mopsytop Sun 30-Sep-12 08:49:07

Yay seven great news! Congratulations!

LittleMissFlustered Sun 30-Sep-12 08:57:21


seven77 Sun 30-Sep-12 08:58:39

Thanks all. DH said its good to see me smiling again, and DS is happy and his behaviour seems to have improved dramatically this morning. Which makes me feel awful for how much my stress has obviously been affecting him. Must wash up then Hoover, then we're having a DVD day. Though I may make banana loaf to use up the manky old bananas if I have the other ingredients smile.

mopsy how is Minim doing?

mopsytop Sun 30-Sep-12 09:46:07

Finally on the mend! No vomit yesterday bit I didn't want to say in case I jinxed it... Slept through til 5am. Is now happy and laughing and eating toast. So it's looking good. I am so relieved. Last week was stressful and exhausting.

MissRee Sun 30-Sep-12 13:22:01

Dashing through but couldn't read and run on the good news - congratulations seven I'm not in the slightest bit jealous grin

Also good news Mopsy, fingers crossed she'd well on the mend grin

Figgygal Sun 30-Sep-12 13:58:25

I can tell it is payday weekend I have spent about £100 on Danny in the last two days between winter clothes, hat, a stupidly expensive noisy tambourine/shape sorter and now back from Tesco with a bloody baby Walker I'm going to have buyers remorse for the rest of the month. Thank god for my eBay selling last month and I'm pretty sure I have a pile of expenses still to come through.

Aethelfleda Sun 30-Sep-12 14:01:58

Ooh, fab news seven <waves pompoms madly>. that will give you an 18 month gap: busy but not completely insane. How lovely!

Glad to hear MiniM's a bit better, mopsy. Hope you both recharge soon.

Backache today (and most of the week actually). Bleugh. Ibuprofen is my friend. Am contemplating inventing Baby-Tak. It's like Blu-Tak but pins your little darling to a convenient floor, wall or ceiling so you can get on with your day without constantly having to fish them out of unsuitable places.....

OiMissus Sun 30-Sep-12 14:17:54

Put me down for a 70kg bucket please. And I'm in if you give me 50% of the business, for an investment of 16 bamboozle Stretchies and a bag of maltezers. - hey, Hilary Devey ain't the only bird from Bolton who knows a good investment when she sees one.

Kitty5824 Sun 30-Sep-12 14:46:32

Hi all. I have a shiny new phone and am testing the tinterweb access.
Congrats seven I am definitely ready to start trying for the next one now. Very very jealous...

LittleMissFlustered Sun 30-Sep-12 14:59:09

I hve said for the last 9.5 years that babygros ought to come with a velcro strip down the back so you can stick your baby tithe carpet without worrying where the little sod will roll off to!grin

I am waging domestic war, the living room is running scared. I haven't even got the binliners out yet!;)

Congrats seven!! Very pleased for you!
Hoping I get my BFP soon so I can tell people over the christmas break, and buy loads in the Jan sales!

aethel LMF, I'd buy those babygros. DS has learnt how to walk using his walker, so now believes everything is a walker...including the rabbits, they are not impressed with him atm.

figgy, we've been on a babyfree minibreak this week & went abit mad with the spending. Not expecting a healthy bank balance when I look tomorrow.
Although MIL has bought loads of autumn weather stuff so we don't need to spend much more.

Kitty5824 Sun 30-Sep-12 16:41:08

Just a quick rant.

Being considerate landlords, when we moved back here we didn't kick out our tenants (DH's neice and nephew and neice's boyf have been renting out house) but rented somewhere else, telling them we had rented this place for 12 months, so we woudl discuss them moving out or us extending our lease at Xmas this year.

So now Nephew and his GF have rented a house, and neice and her BF have rented a house. Not sure about the nephew, but neice has collected her keys today.

Aaaargggghhhh. We are now pressumably going to have an empty house until we move back into it, and we are tied to paying rent here until the end of March.

DH's response, "they're paying rent until Xmas"..

Hmmm. What about council tax etc? If we can't afford rent and mortgage how can they afford double rent?

Good job DH is in lettings. Think we'll see how quickly they move out, then approach our LL and see if we can break our contract if we find new tenants...Poor DS will have lived in 3 houses before he turns 1 at this rate


Congratulations seven, that's brilliant! Will you be joining the June? 12 club, staying here or both?

And congratulations on your nephew DSM, that's lovely news too. Hope your sis recovers OK, that sounds a bit traumatic at the end.

And I am so pleased to hear MiniM is non-vommy Mopsy, that is good news, you must all be knackered.

We're ending the week on a very positive note, about time too given the horrors of we've all been through grin

How did you know about my sideline business aethel wink... though I love the idea of yours/ LMF's about pinning the little blighters to the floor somehow. I thank Bob for our babycage play pen, as it at least means we can have brief ten minute periods to have a shower, stack the dishwasher, etc, in safety.

This weekend we have mainly done sod-all. DP has been ill, DS has been snotty (oh, so, soooo snotty...I was picking his crusty bogies off the bottom sheet of the bed this morning, yum), and although I've felt like death during the week I've been the healthiest of the three of us. So all I've done is housework and sleep, with a bit of TV, and look after the other two. Am bloody shattered and have to go off to an all-day conference 80 odd miles away tomorrow, urgh.
My treat to myself is to sit, do my nails and watch Time Team...it has been a weekend of glamour Oi could only dream of!!

mopsytop Sun 30-Sep-12 20:04:39

Thanks all! I am now making chicken, spinach & black beam gyoza as a Sunday evening treat. Hope they're nice, I invented the recipe... So they have the potential to go either way. I also made a yummy elderflower martini for which I also invented the recipe ... Elderflower cordial, gin, dash of vermouth, lemon juice. Yum yum yum!!

LittleMissFlustered Sun 30-Sep-12 20:53:22

I am having sofa rage >_<

Enjoy the boozegrin

seven77 Sun 30-Sep-12 21:08:22

Those babygros sound fantastic!

mopsy so glad she's finally on the mend!

AWCH I can understand the rabbits not being impressed! I really hope you get your BFP soon.

northern I think I'll be due late May/early June. I've already joined the May group as the other 2 were a month early, but of course I'll be staying here unless you all want me to bugger off before I make you all broody

We had homemade pizza for tea, I even made baby pizza fingers for Eva, essentially cheese on toast with tomato purée, she loved it so will definitely be doing it again.

KateM77 Sun 30-Sep-12 21:23:11

Congrats seven

In my experience northern, conferences offer many opportunities for a lovely nap

Really pleased to hear MiniM is on the mend now mopsy

Had a busy week but now feet up with a whisky grin. DS is adorable with his waving and clapping. He rocks backwards and forwards when you sing row, row, he does twinkle star hands when you sing that, and does 'clap, clap, clap' on wind the bobbin up, it's so cute! Still nothing on the moving front though, although that makes life very easy for me. He seems unable to decide whether he wants to bum shuffle or crawl at the moment, so does neither and just sits there getting a bit frustrated. He still isn't a huge fan of eating, although there was a marginal improvement this week and I discovered he likes kedgeree - finally a meal we'll all eat.

Fingers crossed next week continues for us all in the positive way this one has ended smile

KateM77 Sun 30-Sep-12 21:27:52

And of course we don't want you to bugger off seven. Really pleased for you, but I'm not broody in the least...two DC's are enough for me!

MissRee Sun 30-Sep-12 21:53:05

We have something close to clapping, even if it is only when she has food in her hand grin I forget that she's a month younger than most of the babes here though.

Not much going on in the crawling front either. She does sitting circles and eventually ends up where she wants to be... or ends up laying down, rolling onto her front and then does some weird sideways crab shuffle instead grin

Still just the one tooth too! I think the second bottom one is imminent but not actually through yet.

She has her hospital appointment on Friday for tongue and lip tie and then first haircut in the afternoon. Saturday we're off to a wedding sans kiddies and I'm feeling a tad guilty if I'm honest - I don't see her all week and then we're leaving her from lunchtime Saturday until Sunday morning sad

Hope the house viewings are going well Aethel and that you find something suitable soon - or that dream house suddenly becomes available again!

I really need to sort this place out - it looks like a bomb has gone off. Any chance you want to do mine when you finish yours LMF? grin

The snot picking sounds delightful Northern grin Was sorry to hear about DP's bosses being arses though sad

Ooh no, don't want you going anywhere seven, we all get to have a vicarious pregnancy through you! I'm sure you'll act as a good luck charm for all of those wanting to get a BFP, and it'll be lovely hearing all about it. Plus you and the DCs are an integral part of the Dec '11 gang smile

Yep, the snot-mining was luuvverly MissRee, the things you end up doing as a parent...

Right, off to bed and praying DS sleeps through til 6!

OiMissus Sun 30-Sep-12 22:30:41

I love the glamour of snot-mining, but BOi HATES it.
But he likes sardines. grin I have yet to find a food that he won't eat. I 'll have to bring some pickled herring back from Copenhagen. wink
He's been v v obstinate and has not walked on demand for the phone cam. He's barely done 3 steps all weekend. -independently, that is. He's covered miles with his walker though, he's obsessed.
I've been sorting clothes and trying to pack all day sad, in between lots of play and cuddles. smile
I really hope I can leave on Thursday, rather than Friday. Not looking forward to going away again.
He currently has 5 teeth through, and the 4th top one is very close to breaking through.
He doesn't do hand movements to songs though Kate. I'll have to encourage that more. (I'll have to learn the movements myself first!) he's had great fun today smashing the hell out of banging a drum.grin

LittleMissFlustered Sun 30-Sep-12 22:52:43

Octoboy is still reversing everywhere. I may have to buy him a rear view mirror... grin

Figgygal Mon 01-Oct-12 06:53:08

Bleurgh crap night 12.30 realised I hadn't put the skunk to bed and she was scrambling around underneath my bed and 2.30 Danny woke me up coughing then 5am more coughing though he didnt wake up before finally 6.15 uptime. He's playing on his bedroom floor I'm currently sprawled on it with a blanket over me. Was going to work from home today but have realised have left my mobile phone in my desk drawer so will need to go in after all......crapola!!

BJR Mon 01-Oct-12 08:48:07

Wow, the gods of sleep muct have been watching me last night. DS slept from half 6 to 4 had a bottle and then slept till half 7. Then was happy to snuggle up with me untill 8 chatting to himself and not climbing on my face.

I think someone must have swapped my baby, i can't remember the last time he did anything other than wake up multiple times per night!

Xiaoxiong Mon 01-Oct-12 16:37:30

Yay BJR - long may it last! Your description of him climbing on your face made me laugh, DS likes to bounce on the bed hanging onto the headboard and sometimes his little feet do stamp in awkward places.

Figgy so annoying re: your phone! Can you work from home tomorrow instead?

seven congrats!! We're not TTCing on purpose but not taking any precautions either, other than sleep deprivation and working a lot. We both think a 2 year age gap would be ideal, but won't be too upset if anything happens sooner than that.

Speaking of working, I'm coming to the end of my first Monday off on my new part-time arrangement. The mundane things I suddenly really enjoyed: I dressed and fed DS, went to a baby group, made lunch and ate with DH and DS, read thomas the tank engine and watched Gangnam style videos with him...grin I did have a conference call at 2pm that couldn't be rearranged but it was only 90 min while our nanny took him to the supermarket and I don't have to do anything else till tomorrow. So far, so good!

seven77 Mon 01-Oct-12 17:21:40

xiao that sounds much better than being at work! I've haven't worked full-time since before I had DS, I can imagine it must be the silly little things like getting them dressed and eating lunch together that you miss most that I probably don't appreciate enough! Good luck with the non-ttc, I think having a 9 month old is a pretty good form of contraception! Ironically we've been trying since DD was born, I've worked out from my dates I likely conceived when we were in London for the Paralympics without the DC's!

missree Eva is the oldest on here, she waves but is still nowhere near clapping, I think because it involves sitting still hmm

DS slept til 4.45... We both woke and DP went to him, but it didn't work, so I went down about 5.30 and took him, and I think we nodded off together in bed for a bit.
Then had a 2.5 hour trip to conference, and a 2.5 hour trip back, on foot, by train and by car, and no chance to sleep.

Am very, very tired, as it's been like this for several days and being ill and having to work. Will be off to sleep at 9.30 in the hope of getting a bit more sleep, so I hope your gods smile on me BJR.

DP, being the very very PFB one of us, insisted on taking himself and DS to the doctor's today to get checked over. I was gentle- said that although I was sure it was just a heavy cold that DP must take him if it would reassure him. It is indeed a virus...
But then poor DS split his lip on the radiator at home, and wailed so much he passed out face down on DP confused

seven77 Mon 01-Oct-12 20:28:30

Oh no northern, hope DS is ok. Fingers crossed for lots of sleep tonight!

I've booked my appointment with my GP today, it's next Wednesday. And I had to another test just to be certain blush, I've never had one where the line was so dark, it made me suspicious. I'm still a few days days away from when I had my mc last time though, so not celebrating too much yet.

MissRee Mon 01-Oct-12 20:55:48

Aww poor DS, Northern it's horrible when they bash themselves but I'm sure i will totally freak the first time Freya bleeds sad

Freya do a wee on the potty at Mum's today shock

We're chucking the blood-spattered muslin, but bar a swollen lip and a little mark he's fine now thanks.

Bed in 30...

Aethelfleda Mon 01-Oct-12 21:34:10

<yawn>. another viewer today: that's three of em we need feedback from. Hope one of them makes an offer as there's this house we quite like (it's a 5 bedder near to just about everything). Only downer is small garden (it's only a ten year old house so built on peoples back gardens) and the kitchen is non eatable in. Rest of house makes up for this though....

OiMissus Mon 01-Oct-12 21:38:48

Face climbing - In fact, climbing on everything is a full-time BOi occupation.
Greetings from Copenhagen. We got the timetable - we can depart on Thursday!!!!! - one day earlier - as long as flights are available.
The mtg starts at 8:15, in the hotel. The gym opens at 6:30am. I could do 30 mins..couldn't I? . I really really need to lose weight.
Alarm is set for 6:15.

Aethelfleda Tue 02-Oct-12 07:05:43

<wheels in the coffee trolley>

morning! Line up for yer caffeine!

hawthers Tue 02-Oct-12 08:03:33

On it. Ds' leading us a merry night time dance. After 3 weeks of sleeping through f is now up several times a night. Pretty sure its teething but nothing seems to help. Going to crack out the neurofen later. DS1 also randomly being sick once a day and bringing up all his meal. No idea what is causing it apart from excessive liquid consumption shortly before. Oh dear much washing today

Figgygal Tue 02-Oct-12 08:08:35

Up since boy alarm went off at 6.30 (he had 11hrs last night excellent!!) so boy bathed, hoovering done washing on waiting for cm to pick him up at 9 and then working from home today.

So far so good being husbandless he will be amazed at how well we r doing.....even if I do say so myself.

We off for tea at work mates house who is on mat leave still she has a 16wk old who looks in recent pics about 6mo he's massive but he was 10lb 14 when born confused

CherryBlossom27 Tue 02-Oct-12 08:52:07

Morning all,

Had DS weighed yesterday and he's now 21lbs 1oz and right on the 75th centile line so he's definitely put on some weight after the diarrhea episode!

Silly FIL banging on about giving DS fresh fish again, also now fussing over how much water I give him (not enough apparently), also thinks DS goes to bed too early at 7pm hmm DM has reminded me at least he cares enough to nag and he means well <rolls eyes>

DM was most impressed at how much tuna pasta DS ate - a whole grown up sized bowlful yesterday at lunchtime grin

hawthers Tue 02-Oct-12 11:44:29

Help, DS1 invited to a 4th birthday party on Saturday along with the rest of his new class. I don't know the little girl whose party it is or the parents.

So how much to spend on the present?

Aethelfleda Tue 02-Oct-12 12:43:19

Going rate around our way is a fiver hawthers. Two tips from me: 1) get the pressie from The Works or TK Maxx or a sale where your fiver will go further, and 2) if you have no idea what she likes drop a text to the mum saying "what is s/he into" so you have a clue. If it's a brand like Hello Kitty or Thomas where the toys are expensive get something like a lunchbox, dinner set or sparkly drinks bottle from Wilkinsons with that theme.

KateM77 Tue 02-Oct-12 13:07:07

Hope you got some sleep last night and are feeling a bit better Northern

I'll be needing an early night myself tonight. DS up from 2.30-5, then DD awake at 6.30 <props up eyelids with matchsticks>. DS did 4 poos before 10am, all quite firm little bum wedges, so I think that was what was troubling him. If only he'd eat something beyond Weetabix, toast, breadsticks and grimace fraud he might not have these problems!

In better news, we've found a cup that DS can drink from - a Nuby straw one smile

Figgygal Tue 02-Oct-12 13:11:32

Another dilemma of day the spinach and ricotta tortellini (posh ravioli) I have in fridge pencilled in for our dinner tomorrow night has today's date on it for best before......since I'm out tonight it seems either I chance it or bin it what would you do? What would you do?

Sky slept all night again smile however, been told by doc this morning she might have asthma. She has all the symptoms and DD1 has got it and was diagnosed at 9months old too. sad So we have steroids, inhaler & spacer now.

Figgy I'd eat the ravioli.

LittleMissFlustered Tue 02-Oct-12 14:04:15

Best before us an advisory. One day out is well within my range of happiness, especially for something with no meat in itsmile

LittleMissFlustered Tue 02-Oct-12 14:05:47

Inhalers rock! Octoboy gets a thrice daily rendition of 'row your boat' which distracts him nicelygrin

LMF It will be an interesting bedtime routine with inhalers now grin

Xiaoxiong Tue 02-Oct-12 15:21:36

Figgy we ignore all dates and routinely eat all sorts of things that are well past their dates (like, weeks past). If it passes the smell and texture tests, it's fine - particularly if you're going to boil it anyway.

We've started brushing DS's four tiny teeth twice a day. He clamps his jaws shut and thrashes when we try and brush but is happy to chew on the handle...

KateM77 Tue 02-Oct-12 16:08:58

I got this ride-on for DS for Christmas. It arrived today, and looks so much fun! I can't wait to see him play with it grin

OiMissus Tue 02-Oct-12 17:06:31

What are the symptoms of asthma - at this age?
BOi has often a rattley chest. And he fakes being out of breath, and pants - at least it looks/sounds fake.
I went to the gym in the hotel this morning, at 6:30, grin - it was a shock to the system after 11-12 months off!
BOi quite likes us brushing his teeth, but he's not keen on flannel face washes. smile
But DH keeps forgetting to do it. He'll probably have 4 days off whilst I'm not there to remind him.
Got caught in today's mtg by the CEO, watching a video of BOi on my phone. blush but he came back later and asked to see it grin
Must try harder!!! Whoops!

Aethelfleda Tue 02-Oct-12 19:34:34

oi, true asthma in this age group is very unusual, but a lot of children get an asthma-like picture called viral-induced-wheeze which is often referred to as "asthma" even though technically it isn't. It's cos babie hve tiny little airways and the inflammation from viruses and other things they are sensitive to narrow the airways, which causes wheezing and distress that clinically is the same as "proper" asthma. About 50% of kids will grow out of this completely as their airways get bigger, whereas the "true" asthmatics will develop more typical recurrent symptoms and tend to react to things like cat/dog hair, dust, and pollens. It's also confusing cos the treatments for viral-associated-wheeze are exactly rhe same as for asthma. A kid with this will look varying shades of grotty: when it's bad they can't breathe properly and get either very distressed or semicomatose. The less severe versions stop playing, can't eat or sleep, and l

Aethelfleda Tue 02-Oct-12 19:36:33

Look short of breath. The least bad kids are "happy wheezers" where tey get in withthings but sound like a set of bagpipes. It's not something you'd miss really and most parents are v good at pitching up to the docs when their DCs are affected. (hope this fits with what you mums with affected DCs think!)

Wasn't too bad thanks Kate - I volunteered to take DS overnight so DP could sleep and try and recover. I was in bed by 9.30, and bar a coughing fit (DS that is) around 2am, he slept til 5am. I got another half hour when I handed him over.
My turn to get an uninterrupted night as I'm presenting at a meeting tomorrow morning smile
We're also getting DS something similar to you- there's these ride ons they sell in the shops near my Mum's and I've said DS will have one as his Xmas present. Can't wait to see him on it!

Definitely eat it figgy, you'll be fine.

Sorry to hear about the asthma DSM, but now we've got an Octogirl to join our Octoboy... At least they've caught it early, so hopefully should be more manageable? How is Darcie's?

DS loves his toothbrush Xiao, we just let him chew on it as the handle and the 'brush' are all the same squidgy plastic material!

DS got some more dungarees today, courtesy of my Mum, and MiL is sending more too. Sad day for them, they had to have their very elderly rescue dog put down... sad

Oh, and any feedback on your place yet aethel?

Aethelfleda Tue 02-Oct-12 19:50:06

Bum, DH home late from work again. And no offers on our house. And it's raining and my back hurts. I'm having a grumpy day sad

BJR Tue 02-Oct-12 20:10:01

Picked DS up from nursery today, he had no naps again so had been awake around 12 hours when I got there. Poor boy was hysterical by the time I got him home, and took me ages to calm him down and get him to sleep.

Don't know what to suggest to the nursery,they really seem to struggle to get him to sleep at all and he looks awful for it. Everyday when I pick him up he is exhausted, starting to feel very guilty for going to work and leaving him sad

Northern Darcie is okay. Knows when to take her inhalers and has becomes wheezy and breathless when inhales pollen. Gets really bad hayfever, which sets her chest off.

Sky is very snotty. Generally not always a happy bunny, has hacking cough which makes her struggle to breathe and just generally unwell. sad

LittleMissFlustered Tue 02-Oct-12 21:35:00

The dude has been food refusing today, and has been coughing so bad he's thrown up twice. Oh, and it's been hissing it down all day. Not that there's any link between the moisture and his breathing. Nooooo, I'm making it up.

It's going to be a long night!

Hope everyone is feeling fabulous. I'm ordering a skip tomorrow. I like skips. Thy let me throw things away with gay abandon!;)

LittleMissFlustered Tue 02-Oct-12 21:40:00

I think the thread needs an infusion of sleepy dust and cake.

Aethelfleda Tue 02-Oct-12 21:44:38

Linda McCartney cheese and leek plaits. Genuine Linda in every pastry. Nom.

<necks ibuprofen and sighs as the back pain runs for the hills>

think DS has tooth number two coming, the fevered gnawing and red cheeks are a giveaway. He's got ibuprofen on board too (I should have shares in this stuff). Joy.

Figgygal Tue 02-Oct-12 22:09:24

Blimey left friends house at 9, boy still awake smiling and bouncing got him out of car, coat off and into his bag without him waking up. Bet he still wakes up at 6.15 though.

oi I'm always watching vids or looking at pics while at work or boring childless colleagues with them grin

bjr not sure what to suggest about sleeping my DS also seems to have stopped having 2 naps at cm so only has about 45 minutes from 6.15-5.30 when he gets back he's then tired all evening.

anairofhope Wed 03-Oct-12 06:01:52

We have our thrid tooth yay. Its the top left one. We have had lots of waking in the night and crying with gel and painkillers.

Not helped by my bad cold sad

No sleep im ill and i still have to take air to school. I want to call in sick pls!

Puts coffee on

Figgygal Wed 03-Oct-12 07:45:23

Why is it when u have to leave an hour earlier they sleep in? And why is it when u in a hurry they manage to pee all over themselves twice requiring a emergency sponge bath GAH!!!

Xiaoxiong Wed 03-Oct-12 10:05:27

Something to make you all smile this morning - DH has taught the pipkin something very cute. When he says "Hey P! What noise does a dinosaur make?", he roars in response! I couldn't believe it but I tried him with other animals (cat, dog etc) but only when we say "dinosaur" he goes "rrrarrooww" grin

won't mention the dystopian poo DH had to change last night, haha

MissRee Wed 03-Oct-12 11:47:53

We have clapping!!! grin

I also got a super cute video of Freya dancing to her favourite song grin

LittleMissFlustered Wed 03-Oct-12 11:53:16

Loving the dinosaur roar Xiao!

mopsytop Wed 03-Oct-12 12:51:48

Cuteness all round it seems! Minimopsy dances to certain songs too and she waves at herself in the mirror, which I find particularly endearing. She also laughs along when we are laughing at something, on the radio, for example, as though she, too, finds it amusing!

OiMissus Wed 03-Oct-12 14:34:51

lmf gay abandon is great, and second only to wreckless abandon, which is entirely fulfilling short term.
Love the cute abilities of our fabulous kiddi-winkles. (We must be super-fab mums, n'est-ce pas?)
Meetings have gone very well today, and now I'm finished, so I'm going to go to the gym. grin The gym here is crap. and there is no pool, which is ultra crap, but I hear there's a sauna! It's been SUCH a long time.

Xiaoxiong Wed 03-Oct-12 15:04:14

I want a skip envy and a sauna envy and a child that laughs at my jokes envy

and not a boss who asks me to do things that don't make sense and I don't like it grrr

Oh and also I made the mistake of commenting on the thread about the Irish traveller children being taught at school to say "thing" rather than "ting". Note for future self-preservation: never try and contribute to a discussion about accents in the UK...

Xiao, that's so cute!
DS finds 'Quack Quack' hilarious when I say it.

Found the best thing (or ting) in the world for calming him down is American Dad or South Park, must be the simple animation & comic scripts. Think I'm probably going to parenting hell for that!

He's got ballanitis atm (our local childrens A&E playing kissfm, so what you want to hear at 2am) so is a grumpy boy.

LMF, oooh skip! I luff skips, having a massive declutter?

Ree, <pompoms> for clapping!

No idea BJR, but I hope he starts napping soon.

OiMissus Wed 03-Oct-12 16:08:07

Couldn't find the sauna. sad
However, if I had found it, it would've been "European" (ie mixed sex, in the buff) I guess. And I'm far too British far that kind of carry on!
Talking about being British, accents are one thing, dialects are another. Kids (and adults!!!!) should be taught to say "three" and not "free" for 3. Same for thing, thought, etc. and whilst we're at it, "Ask" is pronounced with the s BEFORE the k! (Pisses me right off!)
BOi will be sold to gypsies if I hear him say "one, two, free...".

Well my first day back to work went well.....I survived grin it was like I never left!

Xiaoxiong Wed 03-Oct-12 16:40:02

Yay DSM! Glad it went well. It's amazing how you just slot back in, isn't it!

Oi I completely agree. From some of the incredibly defensive reactions on the thread though, you'd think I was advocating the most horrible racist thing ever. I do think it's a teacher's responsibility to teach standard pronunciations to children, even if in some dialects of English they're accepted.

AWCH yes, P chortles with hysterical glee when I say "squeak squeak" for some reason, especially when I push my face into his neck and squeak at him. Also if he puts his fingers into my mouth and I make a popping noise with my lips. Things I never thought I would say...

OiMissus Wed 03-Oct-12 17:23:06

...but half of the teachers don't speak properly.sad
You mentioned your LO putting fingers in your mouth. BOi does this, he likes to explore teeth. He must be working out that that's what's happening to him. He has 5 ATM.
Back home tomorrow!
DH has been offered the full time job he interviewed for. smile And is going in tomorrow to discuss terms/ package.
And since I've been away, my mum has been inviting them for dinner!!! I shouldn't be envy, I had Thai on day 1, yesterday we went Japanese and did sashimi and teppanyake, and tonight we're going to an Argentinian steakhouse where quantities of Malbec may have to be consumed. grin
Must dash, can't be late!!!
Have a good evening y'all, I'll bring a virtual doggie bag back with me. wink

BJR Wed 03-Oct-12 18:14:57

Well I think i've figured out the problem of why DS won't nap and crys at nursery...

All the food except breakfast comes in from a outside company, all that is dairy free for DS. Despite them being very aware he can't have dairy they have been giving him breakfast cereal that states clearly on the side of the packet unsuitable for those with dairy/lactose intolerances.

He has had this for breakfast every day he has been there. I am very angry. It suddenly occured to me last night to ask them about the cereal just in case and I turned out to be right. They gave him something different today and for the first time ever since he's been there he managed to nap properly. May be a coincidence but, well its unlikely.

Sorry for ranting, I feel very very ranty about the whole thing at the moment.

LittleMissFlustered Wed 03-Oct-12 18:24:53

That's crap BJR! Have you ripped them a new one?sad

LittleMissFlustered Wed 03-Oct-12 18:28:35

And yes, AWCH, I'm having an epic clear outgrin It's marvellous therapy.

MissRee Wed 03-Oct-12 18:30:14

BJR how crap of them sad did you resolve the nappy incident?

BJR shock I would of had a few stern words. Hope DS is okay?

Oh good grief BJR! You dread to think what would have happened if he were wildly allergic to an ingredient, rather than intollerant- like if they'd been feeding him peanut butter on toast for breakfast with a nut allergy. Your poor little man, no wonder he's been unhappy.
I would have words, but I know the fear, you don't want to 'get on the wrong side of' someone who looks after your precious DC all day.
And do rant, better than feeling guilty for something that is NOT your fault.

If I weren't having a curry Oi I would be madly jealous of your steak and Malbec, sounds fab!

Nursery said DS had a lovely laugh today- his default settings are either po-faced or laughing madly. Me going 'meep meep' is a favourite, and he's just gotten the hang of enjoying (iyswim) 'this little piggy went to market', which I love doing on him. Belly farts are of course the classic grin No waving or clapping here though.
Poor kid, the cold has made his nose so red, when DP did the snot mining this morning he cleared his nose but it took a scab with it and made his nose bleed. That's twice this week DP has had DS bleed on him confused

And O M G LMF, I love a good clear out, but black bin liners are as good as I get... a skip?! What I wouldn't give for a skip to clear out the masses of shite DP has hoarded

Right, DP is commandering my laptop to watch the footie.
I should leave the bastard (TM MN) grin

seven77 Wed 03-Oct-12 21:21:59

BJR I'd be having more than stern words, the poor little mite. DD is lactose intolerant, if she has it she screams in pain, I'd be bloody livid angry.

Sorry to hear about sky's asthma DSM.

Things have taken a turn for the worse re my parents. They've already had an extension of 3 weeks, the developers want to complete on Friday or they'll lose the house. The other solicitors from our sale have asked another load of questions, so still no sign of a completion date and no chance of it being done by Friday. They've been saying all along they know it isn't our fault, though my mums attitude today implies it clearly is our fault, especially when I refused to "phone the solicitor and demand they exchange contracts tomorrow" hmm

Aethelfleda Wed 03-Oct-12 21:39:59

Oh no seven, what a bugger. These things do happen in the unpredictable world of arsing house purchases, you're just going to have to let Mum whinge I'm afraid. Sympathy in buckets.

lmf: wow, a skip, that's seriously hardcore dejunking! Hope your mood's a bit steadier now BTW.

BJR I would be seriously unimpressed with the nursery.
Rather than ranting can you look into an alternative provider and then just switch away from the problems to someone you trust better?

oi, japanese sounds great... Dinner at yours, then?

xiao, I am disgusted that you dare to comment on accent threads in such a bigotted manner. Wash out your mouth with soap and water, young lady, and know your place in future...damned colonials... grin

Figgygal Wed 03-Oct-12 21:46:05

What a shit day at work got home for DS 5.30 thankfully the cm gave him his dinner before he got home so we had a lovely play for a bit and then he went to bed at 7:30 I immediately started working again and have only just finished..... Absolutely no way I could ever work three days a week. If it hadnt been for the fact that I'm not working tomorrow I wouldnt have had to work tonight going to bed very early.

Wow figgy, that is a bit much. You sound like you're not only coping without DP, but that you and figgyboy are having a grand time in general.

Let us know how you get on BJR, but looking for another nursery has to be one of the options...easier said than done I know.

I'll be sleeping in DS's room tonight, so that'll be a 4am wake up for me then...

OiMissus Wed 03-Oct-12 22:00:28

Yeeeeks -seven that sounds rough. At the same time, as someone said earlier, he who shouts loudest gets results, so if your prices are fixed with your solicitor, stop being the nice guy and start sounding mean!!! Shout, and get them pushing on your behalf.
bjr I'd be f***ing furious if BOi's nursery ignored an intolerance. At the same time, I'm really not sure that if I was an arsehole they'd take it out on my kid. So I'm not sure if that would be my fear.
BOi is infamous for his lack of sleep st nursery. They'll spend over 30 mins trying to get him to sleep, and then he'll sleep for 25 mins. C'est la vie.
He wakes. If you're not there immediately to placate him, and shush Him back to sleep, he'll wake and that's it.
Aw! northern Meep meep!
When DH and I worked in the same office, I used to get annoyed if he knocked on my open door. (It's open ffs, come in!) So he would stand there and road-runner-style "meep meep" instead. grin

Bugger. I forgot the doggy bag. blush

OiMissus Wed 03-Oct-12 22:09:18

-*lmf*, I meant to ask, how're you doing? I hope the skip is helping you get in control.
dsm welcome back to the world of
Tis time to sleep, one more sleep away. I can handle BOi sleeping in our room, in our bed.i can handle it.
DH got his haircut again today. Haircut no. 3. I've missed every one of them.
No matter. smile I'm back with my boys tomorrow night. grin

Aethelfleda Thu 04-Oct-12 09:40:44


<crawls back under the rock of can't-be-arsedness>

Coffee vat over there on the side....

Figgygal Thu 04-Oct-12 09:42:45

Day off work today covering DHs day off with figgyboy trying to do quick tidy before hv comes round for 9mo check this afternoon then antenatal mums and babies coming round. I'm putting bets on him being on 98th centile but wouldn't be surprised of he'd jumped off charts altogether. I'll let u know if I have officially the biggest baby on the thread later

Have a nice day and hope u get home to boi soon oi

Xiaoxiong Thu 04-Oct-12 09:59:10

aethel I'm actually fascinated to see what accent DS ends up with, whether he'll pick up anything from me at all. I actually don't want him to have the phony transatlantic accent that many Americans seem to mimic as soon as they step off the plane. I'm quite happy that when I open my mouth people think "oh she's American" rather than being able to make any assumptions about my social background. There's an American trainee here in my department who has been in London for 6 months and sounds like Natalie Portman in V for Vendetta, aka the worst fake English accent in the woooooorld.

figgy you're a trooper! I'm quite glad I told the partners that on my two days at home I'm not going to check email at all and would only respond to phone calls in an absolute emergency, but we'll see if I manage to keep those two days free from work.

BJR I'm sorry the nursery is being so shit and such a bummer to feel like you can't trust them to do the right thing with your child. They'd better be grovelling!

Oi your DS has had three haircuts already!? That's amazing! Also, send your son to DH's school - the teachers all speak beautifully, they all sound just like Rowley Birkin QC!

Northern sorry if I missed it but why are you sleeping in DS's room? I hope you managed to get some rest....

Aethelfleda Thu 04-Oct-12 12:49:37

Hee hee xiao, I was only teasing! You have a great accent and I'm sure DS will pick up little bits of it. My mother was from East Anglia and even now my speech has little bits of Norfolk peppered in it if you know where to look. Some people do chamelionic speech, it's very common to mirror those you are with (sometimes intentionally and sometimes not).

I haven't been near the HVs for months so have no idea where DS is on centiles now. He's over 20 lb cos we stood on the scales together, but we're still rearfacing until the size 0 seat becomes too small (imminent) then it's drag out the isofix seat from DD2 (and hope it still works!)

Today is a washingfest before more viewings one Fri one Sat. Bored now!

Xiaoxiong Thu 04-Oct-12 14:31:07

aethel I will have to look out for your Norfolk roots next time we meet up smile my DMum (the crazy one) has actually suggested I find some sort of Henry Higgins elocution teacher so I can...get this...become PM. As in Prime Minister. Because obviously the only thing currently standing in my way is my American accent - and the fact that I don't yet have a british passport is a mere inconvenience!

Quite envy your washing actually, I have precisely zero to do today as all the partners are in NY for their annual meeting. My timesheets will be 99% fantasy today! (9-10 - read this thread, 10-10.30 worry about DS and trying to think about symptoms, 11.30 - 12 post on food boards, 11-12 nap with head on desk, 12-2 three martini lunch...)

Figgygal Thu 04-Oct-12 14:37:17

He's 26lb 2oz blush which is 99th centile hey someone has to be I guess. Glad he hadnt shot off the charts that would be embarrassing .......do I get my threads biggest baby award now? grin

We have been referred to an optometrist as dh had a squint when a child DS has no sign of one but they do a check if a close family history. He's now playing with his free toothpaste clearly more exciting than his free books

OiMissus Thu 04-Oct-12 14:51:02

Hurrah for giant baby figgy! Good lad!
All packed up now, getting the taxi to the airport in 10 mins. Yippee!!!
I should be home by 7:30pm. grin

LittleMissFlustered Thu 04-Oct-12 16:33:27

Anyone got a nice hard desk I can bang my head against?

Been to doctors, chasing in circles trying to get some help for Octoboy. The doctor has admitted there's a wheeze. He's read that he's been in and out of hospital and he has noted that tere is a family history if chest problems. He is giving salbutamol for a whole 24 hours, no more, as he's not convinced that there's anything wrongsad

Figgygal Thu 04-Oct-12 17:41:57

Lo is asleep he had only had 20 minutes since 9 o'clock this morning and I possibly foolishly have put him down for quick nap to see him thru to bedtime am going to have to wake him up or will get no time to self later.

Antenatal babies just left bday parties a being arranged very very scary

Aethelfleda Thu 04-Oct-12 17:44:01

You a-what now lmf? that sounds precisely no fun.
<furtles for a link to the current british resp society /Scottish SIGN guidelines>

MissRee Thu 04-Oct-12 18:03:32

That's pants LMF sad makes you wonder what will actually make the nobber GP sit up and take notice! Can you see a different GP for a second opinion? Failing that, do some research and go armed with some kind of evidence to support what you feel the course of treatment should be?

We have Freya's TT and LT appointment with the consultant tomorrow. Am starting to doubt my reasons for getting the referral. Obvs. it doesn't affect her feeding now she's FF but is being concerned about her speech and possible dental problems enough? sad

Aethelfleda Thu 04-Oct-12 18:35:32

Here you go lmf:

This link is American, but apart from the bobbins involving "tasty syrups for toddlers" (these are out of favour in the UK, as are home nebulisers) the info is pretty sound. Yank Link

And this leaflet from Cambridge suggests Salbutamol alone is a valid treatment option during episodes....but in the viral wheeze kiddies, rather than "true" asthmatics...

viral wheeze link

Hope Octoboy responds well anyway. Grotty chests are the pits.

Aethelfleda Thu 04-Oct-12 18:39:13

And misree don't doubt your legitemacy of referral. If it's all fine they will be reassuring but you can't tell til you get there. Good luck!

Extra viewing booked for tomorrow, so that's three in next 2 days. Must be motivated to tidy later: good vibes please!!!

<ignores mess to cuddle DS while the DDs watch Peppa for night-night telly>

It will be interesting Xiao; my step Mum is German, has perfect but slightly accented English, Dad has no accent at all...but for the first few years of her (speaking) life my little sister had an Essex accent as her CM was from there! It was most hilarious, she sounded nothing like either parent!

With DS, we kept the double bed in his room- was previously the spare room- and I co slept with him in there for the first five months, then DP just slept in there when he was on his four/five months' leave. Now we tend to sleep in there if DS is ill, because we're on the floor above in the attic, it's a pain to keep schlepping up and down.
Snot goblin woke at 11pm, wanting to play, 2.30 am and 4am last night sad. Bloody, dratted cold, he's never had a problem with night waking before this, but at least we know what's causing it. His little nose is still bleeding round the edges when the snot comes away...

I do that 'mirroring' of speech aethel and really have to catch myself, it's so embarrassing. Glad to see you've crawled out from under the rock for a cuddle with DS grin

I am sooooo envy envy envy of BOi's three!! haircuts. DS isn't going to need one for years, literally years. I saw a little boy younger than DS today with wonderful hair and actually thought 'oh well, at least we're saving on haircuts'.

<hands medal to figgy and chocolate one to figgyboy>
Congratulations! And as long as he's on the chart, and in proportion(ish) he's fine. DS isn't too far behind that, but figgyboy is definitely champ.

Hope the consultant appointment goes well MissRee, and don't feel you have to justify it. You're getting your baby's condition checked out, it's normal and good parenting to do it! And if the doctor were rude about it (not that they will be at all) then it's a cause for a complaint, not a reason you shouldn't have taken her.

Need to go and have a LMF-styleee clear up here....

jigglebum Thu 04-Oct-12 20:29:51

Evening everyone - just quickly skim read to try and catch up on some of your news. Sounds like lots of ill babies and Freya has been ill on and off for the last month too - it has been hard work! We had teething and have 2 teeth now, we have cough/colds, dodgy tummy, bad nappy rash etc. Sleep has been very erratic for well over a month now - though fingers crossed the last 2 nights have been back to sleeping through. Going to work after 4 hours sleep is not great and can't help but feel resentful of DH as I do all the get ups, even on the 2 days I work and weekends.

She is quite an expert crawler now and is starting to pull up on things. She claps lots and smiles readily. She is happy and smiley most of the time but one bloody determined madam at times too. I think she is already beginning to understanding either the word or the tone of voice of "no freya"!

Ds is settling in well to school and it is easier not having them both at home all day. I miss his company though.

DH and I are not getting on at all - I feel resentful about how little he does (eg in the mornings I do everything, getting me, ds and freya out the door at 830 - he gets up at 745 and just gets himself out the door, even on my work days) We cannot seem to resolve these issues and I have given up trying - so we are just coexisting in the same house, not really communicating and still sleeping in separate rooms - tbh, day to day life is easier in some ways, I can just get on and do things and even if freya wakes me at night at least I dont have to listen to his snoring and tossing and turning. Long term - I dont know what the solution is - I know we need to sit and talk but frankly I cant be bothered and it would have to be me who tries to sort it out.
Rant again - sorry.

OiMissus Thu 04-Oct-12 20:32:04

An home! But BOi was already asleep. sad he looks so grown up with his short hair. DH took him to a sensory play place and they tried to charge him the admittance fee for babies over 1 yr.
Am all achey. I did a load of stomach crunches at the gym yesterday, forgetting about the cs. I forgot it might be a shock to the system. grin
Good luck with the referrals missree - you're definitely right to get it checked out.
Good luck with the viewings aethel, fingers crossed you'll find the house of your dreams soon.
Rightio, time to go and gaze at my BOi again! grin

Figgygal Thu 04-Oct-12 20:33:53

My back is gone ouch ouch!!

Figgyboy is 90something centile for height too am thinking am going to drop his AM bottle over the next week as he's still on 23 oz and has yoghurt/cheese on top. What constitutes a bottle alternative "snack"?

OiMissus Thu 04-Oct-12 20:36:02

jiggle sorry to hear things aren't going well with your DH. I understand how you can't be arsed. Hopefully he'll get off his arse and stop being an arse in time to turn it around.
In summary: what an arse!
Good luck. (((Hugs)))

Figgygal Thu 04-Oct-12 20:36:48

Sorry to hear about you and Dh jiggle i know people say thr first year is the hardest it might get better!!

Aethelfleda Fri 05-Oct-12 06:47:43

<gets out the breakfast things including a large <kipper> for jiggle's DH>

it's definitely most hardcore the first year. That's what I tell myself repeatedly....it's such a different dynamic when you have more than one DC.

OiMissus Fri 05-Oct-12 08:21:58

Really aethel? I thought it'd just be even worse with more dependents. When I think of how our relationship has struggled, it makes me shudder to think of all those people who have kids to try and fix relationships!! (Do men "get it" when there's more than one?)
I got some cuddles this morning and overnight, finally! aw! It was really sweet. he sleeps in the open sided Stokke right next to me - it opens onto our bed - and he woke up as I was settling into bed, and he gave me the sweetest happiest little sleepy smile. grin
Butthis morning when i tried to leave him at nursery he was not happy!! Boo hoo! neither was I! I can hold out til 1. smile

mopsytop Fri 05-Oct-12 09:36:33

Oh dear. Sorry to hear about GP LMF, how frustrating sad and sorry to hear about your issues with your husband jiggle sad
Hope some of the viewers like your house aethel and make an offer! We are going to view a house on Saturday but haven't even put ours on the market yet ad still needs some jobs to be done. Need to get a move on!

I'm wrecked, was up until 1am writing a research proposal, then ninimopsy decided to wake up at 5.30 roaring and wNting to be held. Wouldn't even come into the bed with me. Luckily my husband took her at 6.30 and let me sleep until 8, thank goodness! How did we Coe on 3 hours sleep or whatever it was at the beginning. gee and is it harriers? anyway those of you coping on little sleep, hats off. Minim has been terrible the past month, waking lots, but she tends to sleep well from 7-1 nearly always so if I can get to bed by 9 or 9.30 I seem to be fine. Bed at 1am does not work! I've a really bad headache now as a result - it's teetering on the edge of bearable, so fingers crossed it doesn't tip over into migraine territory. The research application is due Monday though and j need feedback on the proposal so it was a necessary evil.

mopsytop Fri 05-Oct-12 09:38:26

hawthers I mean!
'cope' not 'coe'

hawthers Fri 05-Oct-12 09:48:53

I think you kind of get used to it; both the no sleep and the full nights sleep.

Blissfully, f slept until 5.45, wibbled and then dropped back off to sleep until 6.45. Please can I have another one if those tomorrow? Who would have thought I'd be ever hoping for a 6.45 sleep in?

DH being an arse over here too. Sorry to hear yours is bad jiggle my sympathies

LittleMissFlustered Fri 05-Oct-12 12:10:24

Thanks for those links Aethel, I'll have a good read of them tonight when I ferret the laptop out.

So sorry a lot of you are having issues with your partners. It truly sucks when there's discord in the housesad

Today there may be coffee and toast.

seven77 Fri 05-Oct-12 12:25:17

Sorry to hear of arsey DH's, rubbish GP's and sleepless DC's.

Sorry I'm being a crap poster, I'm suffering early pregnancy exhaustion again. Though thankfully Eva is now sleeping until 6 most mornings.

Well today is the day my parents will likely lose the house, and no chance of us exchanging. Our solicitor has now found an error on the land registry which wasn't spotted when we bought the flat, which will take an extra fortnight to be corrected. No news from my mum, I assume she doesn't want to speak to me, though I'll expect an angry phone call around 5pm. It'd be ironic if they did still somehow get the house, they wanted to move to be closer to us and the kids, yet they certainly won't be as big a part of our lives as before after the stress they've caused us.

Xiaoxiong Fri 05-Oct-12 12:54:25

seven I'm sorry about the stress you're under from your parents and I hope this is the denouement - I must admit I never quite understood the backstory and why they didn't have the money and why that was in any way your fault.

hawthers and jiggle sounds like haddocks may need some defrosting...what would happen if you went on strike? Do you think they would step up?

Sending <Haddocks, swordfish & all things stinky to unhelpful DH's & GP's>

Oi hope your enjoying BOi cuddles smile

Seven That's pants about your parents. Surely after all the hassle they must realise it is out of your control? So unfair they are putting you under undue stress!

Well my first working week back to work went very well. Almost like I've never been away! Enjoying it still tho smile

Time to get the house all sparkly & dinner on go before I can properly chill out!

Xiaoxiong Fri 05-Oct-12 14:27:43

Arrghghg our nanny just asked us if she could go part time to match my days at home. Which is fine and fair enough, I just went part time myself, but will put me in a bit of a spot if I ever have to go into the office unexpectedly. Oh well - cross that bridge when we come to it! She said she's a bit worried about her health and that her hours are too long working full time as she's been getting dizzy - and I wanted to shout "you don't eat properly, what do you expect!?" because I have never actually seen her eat anything, even when we went to Paris for the weekend!

So I gave her the rest of today off, and gave her some veg to eat over the weekend blush (I pretended we had extra in the veg box so told her to take some home with her).

GeeandTee Fri 05-Oct-12 14:57:21

Hi all, just a quick one as have dodgy internet access at the moment. Sorry for me me me and a bit of a moany one at that but really struggling here. DD is still sleeping really erratically, she slept through until 6am 3 nights ago, then woke every hour the next night and last night she woke every half hour from 11.30pm to 6.30am. I just can't figure it out at all, she's so happy and settled in the daytime. I have had a constant headache and backache for the last 48 hrs, DH is mega busy at work and just been feeling very down as I can't see an end in sight to this exhaustion. Also still get some pain from my CS incision, is this normal after 10 months? It looks like its healing fine from the outside but is still tender/numb in places and I can't wear pants/trousers that go anywhere near it. Also DS's legs seem to be getting worse at the moment (due to the CP) and he might end up needing some kind of surgery. Just all feels a bit much at the moment and feeling very sad

Sorry, will try and respond to other's posts soon, but just needed to offload all that.

seven77 Fri 05-Oct-12 15:31:46

xiao short version is our flat was on the market, the perfect house came on, my parents were in the position to lend us the money, the agreement being that when we sold the flat we paid them back, we had a contract that we had 5 years in which to sell it and give them the money, that was 2 years ago. Anyway, we found a buyer, as soon as we told them they stupidly started looking at houses. They done a part-exchange on a new development, needing 100k of the 140 they lent us. The developers are now wanting the money, our sale has taken a lot longer than expected and is still at least a fortnight away. They've already had an extension on their deadline (3 weeks ago), last I heard if they didn't complete today the developers would re-market the house.

dsm glad the return to work went well.

seven77 Fri 05-Oct-12 15:34:01

gee ((hug)) I have no idea what to say but I hope things get easier soon, and really sorry to hear about DS getting worse.

mopsytop Fri 05-Oct-12 16:29:31

Sorry to hear things are so tough gee sad
I would defs go and get your scar checked out.

May I speak for a few of us when I say thank feck, Crunchie, or deity of choosing that it's Friday?

I'm really sorry to hear you're having such a tough time jiggle. It's a no-brainer in terms of the fact that your DH should be helping. I found the killer for me was almost less the lack of help, more that I wanted them to want to help : it's doubly so when it's children. I really hope that it sorts, but I know what you mean about just not having the energy, nor wanting to be the one to sort it out, again.

Hope the work is going OK mopsy, how close are you to finishing your PhD?

And hawthers, I will join you in the 'wishing for a 6.45 lie in and wondering how in Bob's name you got to the point of wishing for 6.45 being a lie in confused' and you figgy with the bad back, my sciatica is twinging tonight!

It sounds like you're having a really, really tough time Gee, and I would get to the doctor's about the CS scar and the sleep issue. It shouldn't be hurting that much after this time. It would probably be worth discussing your DD's sleep with the doctor too, as I'd guess that level of waking up is sort of off the scale, past crappy sleeping, and may need some attention. Can you get at least one night's full sleep a week where DH takes her?

Figgygal Fri 05-Oct-12 20:16:29

Dh is back tomorrow night so for my last night of freedom have had the longest shower ever and am now sat in my super sexy cow print onesie with a glass of vino about to watch crap telly.....dishes in the sink be damned. DS and I had fish, butternut squash and carrot batons for tea have managed a whole week without 1 jar being opened which considering I'm the shittiest laziest cook out there I'm amazed by.

Aethelfleda Fri 05-Oct-12 21:02:33

Hey Gee, that's rotten luck (((hug))). No sleep always makes things harder, and especially if DS's not doing too well it's just another thing to cope with. Do see your GP about the scar, you may have some overgrowth of the nerve endings when it has healed, this makes scars tender and can be treated if you tell them it's happened.

BJR Fri 05-Oct-12 21:22:57

Haddocks all round by the men by the sounds of it sad

DP has just told me that one of us has to leave. Feel like i've let DS down so much its horrible. Can't believe i've ended up in this position.

Trying to focus on the positives. DS stummbled his first couple of steps today./ made me smile at least.

mopsytop Fri 05-Oct-12 21:38:40

Jeez bjr that's rubbish. Been a shite week all round it seems sad sending a massive virtual G&T and packet of chocolate biscuits to all who need them, all of us, by the sounds of things, but somebody than others! seven really sorry to hear about extra house exchange/parental stress. Ugh.

northern so bogged down right now with article writing and jrf applications but hopIng to hand in by Christmas. Just need ninimopsy to stay well! And need to work evenings. It's v doable so long as I don't stay up till 1am! Working 7.30-10.30 is fine though.

Right, leetle glass of cava and a read of my book, then bed. Husband has already gone up. Tired household! Sleep well everyone j hope!!!

Oh BJR, that's awful. Is he just having a wibble do you think, or does he actually mean it? I know things were rocky for a while for you two, but was thinking as you'd not said anything about it, things had settled down. Not what you need, especially with the nursery stuff as well.
Does he need to go, and give you and DS some space?

Figgygal Fri 05-Oct-12 21:42:39

Christ BJR thats awful good luck!!

A workmate of mine had a lo in dec too and has just split from her dp sad

And you have not let you DS down btw.

seven77 Fri 05-Oct-12 21:44:41

Oh BJR that's rubbish. I remember you saying a couple of months ago that he was being an arse and things weren't great between you, but I didn't realise it was that bad. Has it come out of the blue, and do you think it's worth trying to save it? Remember that the first year is the hardest by far, even more so if you're still not getting a full nights sleep.

My stupid parents have exchanged contracts, they have to complete in 3 weeks which probably ain't gonna happen.

seven77 Fri 05-Oct-12 21:46:14

And no what northern said, you have definitely not let him down!

mopsytop Fri 05-Oct-12 21:47:15

Bloody hell seven, what are they going to do when they don't have the money?

LittleMissFlustered Fri 05-Oct-12 21:47:47

Hell's bells BJRsad Do what you need to do, and feel no shame or guilt. You're doing your best, you're putting so much effort into being a good mother. Take stock and make decisions that are best for you and your boy x

mopsytop Fri 05-Oct-12 21:48:02

And I second (third?!) that you so haven't let him down.

Aethelfleda Fri 05-Oct-12 22:39:09

(((((BJR))))) you are so not allowed to be guilty! Sad, yes, it's always a shame when a relationship doesn't work out. Be comforted by a cuddle from your lovely DS, he is great and it's clear from your posts you love him to bits. Try and sleep tonight, and have a (calm if you can) conversation with DP tomorrow about practical steps from here. If someone leaves it should be the one who's not looking after the baby 24/7. Good luck xxx

<reluctantly hauls the enormous tuna to the door of the walk-in deep freeze just in case>

xiao, part time nanny, huh? Well, I suppose you do work long hours and so by default, so does she...hope the arrangement can continue to work for you both.

Viewings happened today but still no info re offers. Another one tomorrow afrernoon, so need to get the DDs out somewhere, will think of possible outings and clean the loo AGAIN (sigh)....

BJR Sat 06-Oct-12 07:28:52

Thanks for all the support ladies. Strangely this has come a bit out of the blue as things have been much better between us since i've gone back to work. I thought we were both happier but apparently not.

DP slept in DSS's room last night so I have no idea what's happening now. Unfortunatly I think we both said things that we can't take back. He's going to pick DSS up in a couple of hours so we won't be able to talk. I'm planning on taking DS out for the morning.

I guess we will probably just get on with things for the kids untill tomorrow and then talk. At the moment i'm feeling that if it's what he really wants, then we work out the practicalities of splitting up. Which feels very sad but I guess I just to wait and see what he says when we talk sad

BJR So sorry it has come to that. You do what's best for you & DS and you have nothing to feel guilty about. Ask him to make time to talk about the practicalities.

Seven That's silly of your parents. What happens in 3 weeks time when the money doesn't appear?

Well we have another full nights sleep here smile Darcie has got swimming, singing & then going on a Brownies outing to Sealife centre this afternoon. So day of running around for me.

Figgygal Sat 06-Oct-12 07:51:30

bjr hugs to you.

DS been whingeing moaning and crying since he woke up have just calpoled him and put back in his bed as he seems tired which is ridiculous as he had 11hrs sleep last night. He refuses to come back to bed these days anyway but wouldn't even play in his room this morning just wanted my book, my phone my water Anything he shouldn't have ignoring all his toys ......bloody maddening!!

OiMissus Sat 06-Oct-12 08:00:32

(((Hugs))) bjr - so sorry it's come to this. Stick to your guns and do what's best for you and your LO. Good luck.
Hugs to gee too. Definitely get the cs scar checked. I have no pain or numbness anymore. It's all back to normal. Or at least it was until I did a load of sit up crunches this week! hmm
xiao so your nanny wants to go part time? Just wait til she tells you she's pg and wants to talk maternity arrangements!! The joys of employment. (What happens then?!)Good luck!

Figgygal Sat 06-Oct-12 13:54:54

Went to an utterly crap baby sale this morning had literally six stalls and nothing of interest at least DS got to the swings at the park on the Way home. Dh is due home at around six going to pick him up from the centre of Bristol so we're going to go for a shop for a few hours in the centre.

Lo actually crawled this morning for the first time been back to bum shuffling ever since but he definitely did. My pre-order of rock of ages arrived today so I'm watching that at the moment it's so cheesy love it!!

mopsytop Sat 06-Oct-12 20:13:44

Looked at the house. Loved it! West-east though so back rooms and garden (v small garden) quite dark until about 3 or so. But it ticked nearly all our boxes. Separate kitchen and ideally wd like kitchen diner but just lovely in general. So going to see mortgage advisor this week and prob put in an offer. Exciting! Need to seriously get house in order to sell now!

Aethelfleda Sat 06-Oct-12 21:48:29

Ooh, mopsy, bit exciting...sounds like us, the house we've seen has a 9-by-9 kitchen (as opposed to our 14-by-11 current kitchen diner). Plus we'll lose the Range Cooker for a single 4-hob jobbie. Sniff. But the rest of the house has lots of space... Are you putting in an offer before you hve a buyer then? Am torn between making an offer to truy to stale our claim, and waiting til we have a buyer before offering. Nrg.

We took the DDs to visit the new area today, they enjoyed the play park and we did a driveby of their possible new school and the house so they could see what Mummy and Daddy are harking on about. It was all quiet and pleasant and ...argh, the uncertainty's killing me!

<reaches for a rare alcololic drinkie to calm the nerves: Midori and Orange Juice!>

seven77 Sat 06-Oct-12 21:55:12

aethel hope the viewing went well and you get an offer soon. Have you had any more luck finding anywhere yet?

BJR hope you and DP manage to talk things through calmly tomorrow, and you can make an amicable decision, whichever way it goes. Stay strong and do what you have to do for the sake of you and DS.

figgy yay to LO crawling and DH being home.

mopsy glad the house was great, good luck with the mortgage advisor.

Eva said bye bye to DS earlier! It was very cute, just as I was taking her upstairs for a nap. I have DD's cold and a cough, combined with pregnancy tiredness I'm feeling pretty pants. My parents have seen a different mortgage advisor who is prepared to give them a mortgage despite my mum being 62, and there's no obligation for her to obviously retire at 65 which is why the bank said no. Their having interest only anyway as they'll pay it off once we've completed. So things are fine again here, except the apology I would have liked for how we were spoken to on Wednesday, plus the pressure they put on us in the first place.

seven77 Sat 06-Oct-12 21:56:38

aethel cancel my question!

mopsytop Sat 06-Oct-12 22:04:04

Ideally wd prefer to sell first but in a position to make an offer anyway for various reasons, so we will see... I'd be more comfortable if we sold first of course but this is the only house we have seen that ticks any boxes! And is well below top budget if we include equity from current house, significantly below. So I guess it's doable. Just don't want to get in a position of fairly steep mortgage and then not able to sell current house you know? Would mean zero treats and all really stressful and I guess no leeway if husband lost job. But we do really like this house. Want to go see it on a rainy day first, mind you ...

OiMissus Sat 06-Oct-12 22:08:21

Exciting times! And I don't want to put a dampener in things, but they won't take the offer very seriously until you've got a buyer.
If you need a quick sale, be prepared to drop your price! One of the best marketing tactics is to get your price in mind, Then drop it by at least 20%, and ask for "offers over..." - ideally so it features in the band lower than yours on Rightmove. This should generate lots of interest, as your house should outshine others featured in this category. The hardest part us getting people through the door. Hopefully you'll get a bidding war on your hands.
Good luck!

Figgygal Sun 07-Oct-12 09:43:48

Morning report salmon does terrible things to figgyboys bottom 2 poos and 2 clothes changes by 8am .....never again the stench was unbelievable.

Also although bum shuffling is still preferred method of transportation he is crawling too though the strange is that when he's doing it he cries like he's really not enjoying it....strange child

OiMissus Sun 07-Oct-12 12:27:29

No salmon here, but something is messing up BOi.
Last night, and twice last week, he's thrown up loads after his 7pm bottle. The only thing I can think of that might have caused it was perhaps having his formula after dinner. We left over an hour after dinner on each occasion. On other nights he's fallen asleep before his bottle, and so not had one at all. sad he's not eaten anything different, and has been fine with the formula during the day. (Could it be teething-related? Number 6 erupting...)
Our rug may be ruined.

Aethelfleda Sun 07-Oct-12 13:10:32

Ahhh, at last a day when there's not too much to do with too little time to do it. I have a million things I could be doing, but think I'll not be busting a gut to do any of them. And we've just had rabbit stew for lunch after we visited the local farmers' market yesterday. Yum.

<vegges with mug of tea while cuddling a sleeping DS>

LittleMissFlustered Sun 07-Oct-12 13:24:44

I've just gutted my kitchen. It is the tidiest it's been in yearsgrin

OiMissus Sun 07-Oct-12 14:47:51

We've been out for a 2hr walk in this glorious sunshine. Did the same yesterday to. grin
Gotta lose this wobbly belly and Harris!
DH is DIY-ing.

OiMissus Sun 07-Oct-12 15:42:52

Too. blush

Aethelfleda Sun 07-Oct-12 15:53:33

<slaps oi with the bad-spelling-haddock>

DDs have just scared themselves silly attempting to watch "Coraline" (a DVD present for DD1s birthday that I was rather hmm about. We gave it a try in full daylight and they were o-k-a-y until the bit when the scary mother went cross and skeletal, then we stopped it pdq. Think it's getting relegated to the watch-in-3-years pile. Oh well.

I've had a touchy weekend. Not sure why sad

Still no teeth here tho. Just chilling out today trying not to rip anyone's head off sad

Ps I'm starting Zumba on Tuesday. Going to feel it Wednesday!

LittleMissFlustered Sun 07-Oct-12 16:19:03

Anyone want some of my awesome cheesy chicken'n'bacon pasta bake? I've made enough to feed the county! <brandishes oven dish, pile of bowls, spoon and a hopeful smile>

Aethelfleda Sun 07-Oct-12 16:21:44

<queues up with bowl> Yes please!

<queues up with Tupperware tub for lunch tomorrow>

AnAirOfHalloween Sun 07-Oct-12 16:34:54

Holding sleeping baby when Air is sleeping in his room shock

I feel guilty about not doing a lot with Hope. She isnt talking or walking yet and there has been no growth spurt or anything. We have the top teeth thru but thats it.

Dh had the snip on Thursday and is having a self pity party. Im trying to be nice but its self inflicted so im finding it hard so i give him choclates and i will let him have a lie in tomoro.

Air is settleing in a school but i have lost his birth cert so i have to go get him another.

I need to learn to drive before next September so i have to get a passport and licence - i cant put if off for much longer sad

Sorry everyone is having a hard time right now and i hope it gets better soon.

AnAirOfHalloween Sun 07-Oct-12 16:38:39

Thanks LMF holds up four bowls smile

OiMissus Sun 07-Oct-12 16:55:53

I made a cheesy pasta for lunch, but hey, it's weekend, just a little won't hurt. smile

AnAirOfHalloween Sun 07-Oct-12 17:00:39

Omg how can i spend £90 on food shopping on Friday and have nothing to cook for tea on the Sunday?

OiMissus Sun 07-Oct-12 17:24:43

Easy! £70 on wine! grin

LittleMissFlustered Sun 07-Oct-12 18:56:11

I can spend £90 on Friday and have nothing in to cook on Friday! I am grade A useless at times!

Aethelfleda Sun 07-Oct-12 19:07:12

I've got food in the house, but only got a fiver in my wallet if that helps....

Cuddling sleepy DS in the blanket I knitted him. So much nicer than tidying the house for tomorrow's viewing.....

LittleMissFlustered Sun 07-Oct-12 19:19:38

Cuddling > housework grin

Figgygal Sun 07-Oct-12 19:37:04

DS had Popeyes pasta from the AK cookbook for tea...... I spent £76 on a dress in monsoon that I def don't need but I saw it a few weeks ago and it's been calling to me.....buy me.....buy me figgy I hoped when I tried it on it would look shit but no I loved it. Now need dress appropriate activities so can wear

seven77 Sun 07-Oct-12 19:41:05

Pregnant DSM? Hope you enjoy Zumba!

figgy I meant to say when you were saying how big figgyboy is, Eva had her review a couple of weeks ago, she's on 98th percentile for height, and is longer than our changing mat.

I was looking at old photos at my parents earlier, Eva looks identical to me as a baby. I took a photo of one of them on my phone, DH thought it was her!

<crawls onto thread>
It was meant to be a nice friends and family weekend, mainly over at my Dad's. However, it was a bit like figgyboy and the salmon, only much, much worse. Started getting really bad stomach cramps Saturday morning, and then although we got to my Dad's I spent most of the day in the loo. I haven't today, but only as I don't think there's anything left to be ill with. Have no idea what's caused it, and the only thing to be thankful for is that it's not come with a temperature/being bed ridden package.

DS is still the snot goblin, although it's improving a little and he's sleeping a bit better. Not helped by the next two teeth coming through on the bottom, so he's the proud possessor of 8 now smile!

Glad there's some relatively good news on the housing front- it's a bloody stressful thing to go through when it's going swimmingly, never mind anything else, so am delighted for you ladies! But aethel, really, midori and orange juice shock?! How, why?

Hope that you've had constructive talks with your (D)P tonight BJR- even if it's stuff you don't want to hear, at least knowing where you stand will bring some small level of comfort. Thinking of you.

Three days at work then off to see family again up North- it's non stop at the moment....

OiMissus Sun 07-Oct-12 19:50:17

figgy I know a dress-worthy event! northern you must travel oop north again...
...for my 40th Birthday partez! It takes place chez moi, on Nov 3rd, there will be fireworks, dancing and black peas (Bolton bonfire night speciality)!
All dec thread peoples and families are invited and welcome! grin

GeeandTee Sun 07-Oct-12 20:12:17

figgy when DD started crawling she cried the whole time too! Then after about a week she started laughing hysterically instead and now she is quiet, but she does like carrying things around in her mouth like a little cat grin

northern sorry for the horrible weekend of illness.

oi I also want to get rid of my mummy tummy but have ZERO willpower.

BJR hope the talks go well and you get things sorted out as much as possible.

Can't remember what else I wanted to say...but DD only woke once last night and slept until 7.30am! I didn't do anything differently, it is very weird. No idea how tonight will go. Am going to try and get an appt with the dr this week for my scar pain, am worried now that it isn't normal! Thanks aethel for the great advice as always!

OiMissus Sun 07-Oct-12 21:03:41

Ali crawls with something in one of his hands. And uses all sorts as walkers - be they pans, buckets, coasters or my glasses case. Anything to hinder him...!

seven77 Sun 07-Oct-12 21:14:03

Does anyone have any recommendations for pretty changing bags to stop me buying one of these If I spend £79 on one DH will kill me! I really don't want to spend more than £50.

LittleMissFlustered Sun 07-Oct-12 21:32:53

You can get a pink lining bag on fleabay much cheaper than that smile

LittleMissFlustered Mon 08-Oct-12 06:14:12

Tonight I have had enough. If there was another adult in the house I would have got my shoes and gone for a long walk. There isn't. So I can't.

<rocks quietly trying to ignore the temper tantrum in her arms that passes for a baby>

Aethelfleda Mon 08-Oct-12 06:40:04

((((hug))) for LmF

<passes large mug of coffee. More in the pot>

hawthers Mon 08-Oct-12 07:02:46

Poor you lmf hope with a few deep breaths you can make it to drop off time and then take a walk even if it is with octoboy in the pchair.

How much milk are our nippers supposed to he drinking? is the 600ml including milk on cereal, grimace fraud etc?

F is on milk strike. Yesterday he had around 120ml at 11 ish and 240ml at bed tome and that is it. I offered him bottles at 9 and 4 that he usually has some of but couldn't even get them in his mouth. His front teeth have just come through and there might be more on the way but he seems fine in himself and goes mental with the sippy cup with water in at lunch and tea. Has he just dropped them? Anyone got any ideas?

will continue offering them this week to see what he wants.


seven, it aint pretty, but this is a man friendly changing bag & it's roomy. You can get it much cheaper elsewhere (paid £40 for min).

LMF, sorry you're having a rough time.
DS woke at night for the first time in about 2 months (bar last weeks A&E trip) & he's been very screechy today (tooth no.9 is coming through). Roll on 3pm when I can palm him off on DH

Figgy, hurrah for pretty dress!

mopsytop Mon 08-Oct-12 07:35:56

Ugh horrible night. Minim crying for 3 hours for no discernible reason. Teeth I suspect. Feeling v tired now. She was a right grumpy pants all weekend, mainly refusing solids and just wanting bottles. She did the same last time she was teething. It was a trying weekend!

OiMissus Mon 08-Oct-12 07:47:25

Well, he went down for his usual 5pm nap (it usually coincides with a trip home in the car from nursery/GPs), but didn't wake up again until 9pm. So he got his bedtime bottle and went back to sleep, but then woke at about 4am. I kept him snuggled in and settled until 5.30am, but he'd had enough then. As had I, my back was breaking. smile I got up, and DH took over the wrangling. they went for breakfast as I left the house at 6.30. Poor DH.
No one wants to get up for breakast when it's so dark outside!

OiMissus Mon 08-Oct-12 07:59:36

BTW seven, it's hard to find stylish changing bags at a decent price. (But I don't like changing bags as a rule. I bought the stokke one because it is plain and simple, and of course it matches my stick smile ) I'd probably just buy an insert, in the future, a washbag sized thing, and then get myself a stylish tote of some description - and probably spend much more, but it would be fabulous. wink

OiMissus Mon 08-Oct-12 08:17:59

Zara has this for £26. At the other end of the scale, for £195 you could have this beauty. Although even I would not buy this in these economic climes grin but I can dream. The point is, really, that Totes are in. And every shop has 'em, and different variations of 'em, and you could find a very nice one, very easily. Please stop me looking at bags now!

OiMissus Mon 08-Oct-12 08:26:40

(the zara bag isn't even a tote, pass the haddock - I'm being silly)

OiMissus Mon 08-Oct-12 08:38:22

Bugger. I need to sell things on e-bay. I want that bag now. bugger. i didn't even want a new bag. now I want that bag. this is silly. If I really looked, I'd find something else even nicer. ...I am not spending money.
I know. here it is. great idea. If I lose 8lbs before my birthday, I can buy myself a handbag for the obscene amount of £200. yeah? It's my 40th birthday, therefore super-special, so I can be super-silly, n'est-ce pas? I've already told DH that I don't want a present, I'd rather get the fireplace thing built which will set us back a fair few pennies. So this could be my present kind-of from him. IF I lose 8lbs in 22 days.
2 and a bit lbs a week should be doable, shouldn't it? I'm about 10st 6 now. So the goal is 9st14 - but I'll confirm when I weigh myself tomorrow morning.
I'm gonna smash it.
I will.
I have to.
I look horrid naked.
At weekend, I decided to try and make myself feel better, by having a lux bath, and moisturising (what's that these days??) and even putting on some false tan.
Well, I got as far as having a lovely bubble bath, but I decided that using any false tan on my wobbly hulk would be a waste of tan stuff. I didn't even bother moisturising.
It actually turned out OK as I had to have another bath later in the evening with Boi after he vomited all over me. blush
Right, that's it. 8lb by 30th October. I'll go and draw up a graph on an excel chart to motivate me. grin

seven77 Mon 08-Oct-12 09:54:08

Sorry for making you look at bags oi! Good luck though, and I do like that Zara bag. Just need to find outhow big it is, the page doesn't seem very mobile-friendly.

I know a few on here don't like mothercare but they have 20% off all toys until midnight, could be handy with Christmas and birthdays (eek!) coming up.

OiMissus Mon 08-Oct-12 10:14:03

It is 26 x 36 x 20 cm. / 10 x 14 x 8 inches, according to the page. smile

LittleMissFlustered Mon 08-Oct-12 10:36:02

Not loving the tote, they never work for me!

Thanks for the coffee and support earlier. I think I'm coming to the point where I can't cope with the two hourly wake ups any moresad

The minions are at school so I'm heading for a nap with Octoboy. Wish me luck!

Have a nice day, I'll join in the bag porn tonightsmile

MissRee Mon 08-Oct-12 11:30:46

Ooooh seven, they have an offer on SavvyMummys today for Yippydada bags (£38 for an £85 voucher).


OiMissus Mon 08-Oct-12 11:34:26

You can cope. You're just having a shit day or two. This too shall pass (or whatever the mantra is). Chin up chuck. smile

The diet has started. I didn't go to the sandwich van earlier, so I'll be having rice krispies for lunch. I may just go and weigh myself in the factory... I'll grab a coffee on the weigh (way - do you see what I did there?) back. can I get one for anyone?

MissRee Mon 08-Oct-12 11:56:38

Super-duper large decaf skinny latte here please Oi!

Busy weekend! Friday was Freya's hospital appointment - we've been shrugged off again for another four months. I have to get a dentist's opinion before I go back. Paed would be happier if we dealt with dental problems caused by the lip tie by way of braces when she's older. I would much rather it was dealt with by way of a small operation at a time that she won't remember it than having a face full of (painful) metal when she's a teenager angry

Saturday we were at a child-free wedding. Beautiful venue, stunning weather and a lovely child free night with DP after wink teehee!

I popped to the Baby Show at Bluewater yesterday with SIL so we could be shocked and disgusted with the price of things grin I'm glad I went though as I got to test drive the stroller I want to get when we sell the travel system to SIL.

Hope things weren't too strained over the weekend BJR and that you managed to get some practicalities sorted. If you need anything, just shout x

Figgygal Mon 08-Oct-12 13:01:45

I have a radley baby bag but then i have a radley everything!! i sold 2 on ebay a few weeks back and got £180 for them ok they cost me £260 new but i have had plenty wear out of them but as they were both ltd edition ones their resale value was high. Figgyboy's jumperoo is now on ebay we need to have a clear out. After my shopping binges over the last 2 weekends i was looking out more ebay items yesterday i do have another 6 or so radleys i could sell if i was desperate.

Oi unfortunately i am in Aberdeen for my friends bday on your bday weekend otherwise i would be there sequined up, i too need to lose weight before that weekend as her fancy dress theme this year is cartoon characters and i need to fit into my cruella de ville costume from 2 halloweens ago. I have lost no weight since i was back to work though am at pre birth weight i was probably 6lbs heavier than i like to be even then, must lose at least 4lbs this month though am back to Zumba next week and i might have to get my 30 day shred out of the wrapper.....to those ladies who have it what does she make you do?

I noticed mothercare had their 20% off toys sale i need to get a smart trike for Lo he loved it when he had go in one but was waiting to see if 1 came up on ebay and after about 6 weeks of looking i am shocked at how few seem to come up in bristol considering it is a major city. My mum said she would get him one for his xmas but it is kind of the wrong time of year for it isnt it.

AnAirOfHalloween Mon 08-Oct-12 14:47:49

Hello anyone up for talking car seats?

Im thinking about getting a besafe isofix rf one for £319 but im worried about the other car lights shining in her eyes and its harder to put the child is as there is less room between the boor and the seat but the seat is safer than ff.

Ff seat are cheaper no light shining in eyes, easier to put the child in and she can see us in the front and she will be facing the same way as ds.

Sooo which should i go for?

MissRee Mon 08-Oct-12 15:24:06

All the research points towards getting a RF one and there was a thread in AIBU yesterday about FF/RF car seats yesterday and according to the vipers, you should sell your kidneys to make sure your child is RF grin

All I know is that Freya is a much happier traveller now she's FF.

AnAirOfHalloween Mon 08-Oct-12 15:42:17

Think im going to have go get the rf and put up with the problems as its the safest.

So today air has a temp so didnt go to school and dh doesnt work mondays now so everyone home. Air keeps telling people that Hope is going on my bike as there is no room on his as we were discussing going for a bike ride and Aaron wanted to get Daddy a bike for xmas lol

Hope is chewing the snap card and banging her hand on the toy drum and back chatting her dad when he said " stop touching the wire" she said "no dada" and when he said "dont tough that" she said "yes" he said "Hope i mean it" Hope said "Yeah yeah yeah" and i PMSL at them grin

Aethelfleda Mon 08-Oct-12 16:48:39

misree, am hearing you, but i need my kidneys, and we have DD2's £200 isofix group 1 Britax won-spangly-awards seat right there in the loft. dS hates not being able to see us when he's RFing and I hate not being able to see his face to check if he's OK/asleep/about to puke when he'a RFing too. Safety doodahs are all well and good, but we spend >90% of the time driving at 40mph or less and I just don't think it males that much difference. If I was doing large amounts of mileage up the M1 every weekend I might feel differently. But there we have it.

<sits back and waits for the thread-crashers to descend and beat me to a pulp. I'm not scared, I have a haddock for defence purposes>

MissRee Mon 08-Oct-12 17:44:58

I absolutely agree with you Aethel which is why Freya is FF smile she gets dropped off/picked up from parents houses during the week (less than 5 miles), my parents have a RF seat for when they have her on a Monday and MIL and aunt don't drive so no car seat needed Tuesday to Friday! If we go anywhere at weekends it's less than 10 miles on 30-40mph roads grin

seven77 Mon 08-Oct-12 17:46:01

I have to say I agree with aethel tbh. We do a 50 mile trip when we go shopping less than once a month, other than that Eva travels in her car seat between 2 and 20 miles a week. Of course if we had endless pots of cash I'd more than happily pay hundreds for the safest seat on the market, but £319! shock. Not judging anyone obviously, I just don't have that kind of money going spare.

Changing bag will have to wait a bit longer, I spent over £70 on mothercare online. With the bits I've ordered, plus the bits I bought in ELC last week and DS hornby I got in the January sales the kids Xmas shopping is done smile

figgy I'm rather jealous of your collection of Radleys. My mum has a gorgeous radley handbag my dad bought her one Christmas, she doesn't use it as its too nice hmm. As much as I've tried she hasn't wanted to give it away to someone who doesn't think it's too nice to use grin.

Today I'm now past the point where I had my miscarriage last time. smile

MissRee Mon 08-Oct-12 17:46:19

Oh and my parents RF seat was £35 from Morrisons in one of their kiddy events! It eventually turns FF.

Figgygal Mon 08-Oct-12 19:08:29

I looked at a rf seat but in the end decided we do very limited journeys he probably goes further in the Cms car on their adventures and we can hardly dictate what seat she uses. So to all the militant rf hysterics out there on mn come and have a go if you think you're hard enough!! grin

OiMissus Mon 08-Oct-12 19:46:55

I tried rf, but opted for ff. there were loads of reasons, my decision was not financial... Well only in that if I wanted to get sanctimonious I'd have to buy more than one rf because they are very impractical to take out/install, and our life is constant change.
I'm the safest driver I know. So why buy super safe for my car, and then something not as safe for use in other cars? = better to get the safest movable solution.
I've only ever had one extremely minor accident. I was hit in the rear. (So ff would've been better.)
The rf seat was too high to be practical in my low car.
I could go on, but I chose the expensive Kiddy guardian iso pro 2 or something. I like it. It feels safe. BOi likes ff too. We're all happy. grin
If anyone wants to argue, they can try, but I made my choice based on what's best for my son. Argue with that!!

MissRee Mon 08-Oct-12 20:55:40

Oi I had the thought about being shunted from behind and which would be safer. I need to research some more (out of curiosity) to see whether the research and scaremongering re: decapitated babies (sorry for scary mental image) is based purely on you hitting something head on. I must say, I've had far more close-calls when somebody has been driving too close or not paying attention behind than I have had close-calls for a head-on iykwim?

LittleMissFlustered Mon 08-Oct-12 21:07:17

I don't have a 'next stage' seat as yet. I don't drive so have to factor in ease if use in various cars when I get one. Nightmare reallysad

CherryBlossom27 Mon 08-Oct-12 21:13:53

DS is in a forward facing car seat now. In all honesty I'm such a worrier I'd rather have a rear facing seat, but we can't afford it at the moment and a friend gave me the forward facing one which was a huge help! DS is happy enough, and he's only in the car at weekends - probably 10 miles a week maximum!

I'm doing 3 kit days starting tomorrow, so that will be a good test run as it'll be the same days I'll be doing when I return to work.

I'm getting a but worried about DS, I'm 99% sure it's teething, but he's been off his food for a few days and today he vomited everywhere. I'll see how he is tomorrow (FIL babysitting and super attentive), and if he's no better I'll get him an evening appointment at the dr or turn up at the out of hours GP. There's always a nagging doubt that they might be really ill isn't there?

mopsytop Mon 08-Oct-12 21:20:58

Ugh I don't even want to imagine collisions sad I am going to look up Which? this w/e for carseats and will let you know my opinion then. Minim already doesn't seem to love being rearfacing and I can't see her properly which I hate. If she gets upset I can't see her or reach around to touch her. We do occasionally go down the M1/M25, maybe once every 2 months to visit rellies but aside from that use the car maybe once a week, twice max, a cpl of miles in town. But I'd like an easier to fix one this time. Have to belt her in every time, it's a bit of a pain. So I don't really know if we sd go for rf or ff. If they are rear facing until age 4, where do their feet go btw? Still haven't figured that one out. Wouldn't they be all squished against the back seat?

Ugh yet another thing to worry about and make decisions over.

Going to see the house again on Friday... With a few more questions this time. Plus hopefully will be cloudy so can see how dark/bright the house really is - it was an exceptionally bright day on Saturday.

Not even going to open the link to the bags! Cannot go there when thinking about new mortgage ... !

<waves flag pathetically>
Didn't get any better, and in fact got much worse, and so have had to call in sick to work. This is only my second day ever since I've been in my current job, for well over two years. Spent day alternately shivering, boiling, and aching all over. Much sleeping and watching of Time Team has happened.

Hope you're feeling a bit better post nap LMF. Is Octoboy just having a few off days, or is he unwell again?

OiMissus Mon 08-Oct-12 22:05:13

northern hope you feel better soon. sad
cherry BOi vomitted (a lot!) 3 times last week. He's also missed a few meals. It's not like him at all. At other times in the day he's been fine, mostly. I also wonder if its teeth-related.

AnAirOfHalloween Mon 08-Oct-12 22:09:10

<passes lemsip to Norther>

Aaron has the same thing. His temp was 42c when i took it before calpol and he is burning hot and saying he is cold and his legs hurt!
He has woken up for a wee and gonne back to sleep in his own bed but im worried about him. He had a fit due to his temp when he was 18 months so im always worried when he is ill and i dont sleep that well and i have to check on him.
The fit was very scary and i never want it to happen again.

I will be making a drs appointment for him tomoro.

Hope is perfect as normal its only Aaron i worry about all the time and seems to take up most of my time.

AnAirOfHalloween Mon 08-Oct-12 22:19:42

Umm everyone has ff car seats. Im even more confussed now as to which one to get.

I have this worry: i buy a ff seat and have no accident as dh is a good driver but i spend the next three years worring incase we do and i didnt get the rf seat.


i do get the rf seat and have no accident cos we buy it but hope there is no accident and three years later im upset cos i spent £319 on a car seat and i could have got one from Asda ff for £25.

Im no good at making dessions sad

OiMissus Mon 08-Oct-12 22:42:43

I went to pramworld in Wigan where I could see a selection and try them in the car. The cheapest seat there was £85.
There's the In Car Safety Centre too (Milton Keynes, I think) that also show rf as well as ff. my advice would be to go and try a few out, then you can choose what's best for you.

LittleMissFlustered Mon 08-Oct-12 23:42:53

My advice is to not buy the cheapest just because it is cheap. As Oi says you're best having a play with them. Mothercrap have a fitting service too, if the two places mentioned are too far away, and thy should let you see how the seats you're looking at fit with your wheels. Also, it's worth remembering that its not a case of good v bad with rear and forward facing. It's good v more ideal. It's advisable to rearface for as long as possible, but a decent well fitted forward facing seat is not a bad thing.

One thing I remember being told by a firefighter leading a chat on road safety with children is that one of the scariest dangers in a collision isn't the impact itself, as cars are remarkable these days, but the in-car environment. In an impact, everything in your car not strapped down is a weapon. Loose change and bits and bobs can often cause nasty injuries. So tidy away your gubbins into the glove box!

Hope you're feeling better soon Northern, sounds like you've got a viral party going on in your bonessad

Octoboy never sleeps through. He is always up at least three/four times a night. His chest is better than it was this time last week though, which is somethingsmile

Off to try for some kip now. Wish me luck!

Aethelfleda Tue 09-Oct-12 07:10:08


morning girls. Get-well wishes to poorly mummies and LOs...

Figgygal Tue 09-Oct-12 07:14:35

lmf I had the same talk on car seats and general road safety and had same warning about flying items and that a box of tissues on a parcel shelf in a 30mph collision will hit you as hard as a brick being thrown at you.....scary!!

I need to get a car seat for my silly car now he's out of the rf but it will have to go on front passenger seat as the rear seats r bench seats and not wide enough for a car seat. It's a 21 year old car so has no air bag but I am worried it will just fold like a piece of paper in an accident, he doesn't go in it much but had best get on and get one.

Off to work today worked from home yesterday wasn't very productive due to a head cold so will be on crazy catch up duty today ......can't be arsed sad

Hope all poorly mummies & babies feel better soon.

I'm joining the feeling poorly bandwagon. Not sure what's wrong with me sad just feel fuzzy, bit nauseous and shattered.

My girls have been good as gold tho which helps alot.

Tuesdays are my day off work. DP is working from home so he can help with Sky thankfully.

Is anyone here Robbie Williams fans?

Carseats. We have got a FF seat. I prefer that as I can see my little lady. I've got the same style that I used for Darcie and was brilliant as can recline when she sleeps too.

GeeandTee Tue 09-Oct-12 07:41:14

I have the same FF one as oi. DS loves it and it has very good safety ratings. I think you should also factor in that if your DCs hate rear facing and complain/cry/grizzle that is a distraction that could massively increase your chances of an accident when you're driving. DD is still RF and I've put a mirror on the back seat so I can see her in the rearview mirror but I still end up swivelling round to see her better when I'm driving, which isn't safe!

GeeandTee Tue 09-Oct-12 07:44:53

dsm are you sure you're not pregnant?!

DD still waking hourly, took her for another check at GP and all fine, he doesn't think it can be a food intolerance as she's fine in the day and she will sleep through one day a week or so. Also got my CS scar checked and they think its nerve damage so given me Capsicum gel which makes the skin burn/tingle to try to re-educate the nerve endings. Not looking forward to using it!

Pretty sure I'm not pregnant had my period and according to my AF calendar I'm only just starting to ovulate. I'm not on any contraceptives but we use condoms and none has broken as far as I'm aware!

We're going to FF when DS is poking over the top of the seat, we've got a Britax firstclass plus (stage 0-4) & it's bulky.
<morbid bit> The sort of accidents in which DS will die or be serverly injured FF are the sort of accidents in which he'' die/be injured RF. <morbid bit over>
We've discussed it at length & no know one (including traffic investigators etc) who've done ERF.

LMF, DH's biggest bug bear at work is people with dogs running about the cars, some people have no idea how things work in accidents!
We've already put the child lock on the door next to DS.

Gee, glad things went ok at the Drs, hope the capiscum helps!

Seven, grin excellent to hear you're progressing well, do you think you'll be able to relax a bit about being pg now?

<dishes out some hot honey & lemon> Hope everyone gets well soon!
I'm symptom spotting here, I never feel nauseous unless I'm pg or on a boat....and I'm deffo not on boat. But bfn yesterday!

OiMissus Tue 09-Oct-12 09:01:37

(What's bfn?)
BOi had a bad night last night. (Will it ever end? smile ) He slept ok-ish in the evening, upstairs. But when we went down to bed, he woke and was inconsolable. After what seemed like an hour of rocking, singing and cooing, trying teetha powder, and a bottle of water (he didn't take it), we gave him 4oz of milk. Then he calmed down. (Don't know why he was hungry.)
But he still wouldn't settle and go to sleep, he was wide awake after all the screaming. sad
He refused to lie in his cot, and only settled when he lay next to me, and I curled around him and held the little tinker down... smile He physically fights sleep with flailing arms and kicking legs, and he's a champion wriggler. (Octoboy the 2nd!)
Anyway, he woke frequently and we snuggled constantly, and between us probably got a couple of minutes. smile
I'm fine.
But I could have killed DH. He was being such an idiot. BOi was screaming, and DH wasn't getting far consoling him, so I told him to pick him up and cuddle him. So DQH (DramaQueenH) petulantly swung him up, and swung him another way, and BOi was writhing around, and DQH was saying "You'll probably tell me I'm doing this wrong now", and I bit my lip, because BOi's head was hanging off DQH's arm, no support at all, so he was looking at me upside down and screaming... I watched helpless for a short period, and then took BOi from him. And cuddled him properly. Boi calmed a little and was chewing his finger. I thought maybe his teeth were hurting, so I asked DQH for a teetha sachet, so he flung back the duvet, ... to reach to his bedside cabinet...
I've told him a few times now that he needs to chill out as BOi will pick up on his mood, but he's too much of an drama queen to grasp the idea. Eventually he dropped the DQ and became helpful and supportive - getting water and then the milk.
Oh good bob, when I said, let's give him some milk, DQH said "But then he'll have won". Believe me, this was not a little boy testing us to get what he wanted. this was a little boi who had been screaming for about an hour and either was genuinely hungry or really really just needed something to calm him down. I saw no smirks of victory.

OiMissus Tue 09-Oct-12 09:08:52

Oh but we almost have a first word. For ages he's been dadada-ing, and nanana-ing, and making other sounds. He knows who dada is, and that's probably his almost first word. But his most pointed/directed word is "teddy"
He loves his big teddy, and is always kissing it. he can almost say "sandy" too, apparently, although I haven't heard it. This is the name of one of the GPs dogs. Sandy loves BOi, and BOi loves sandy. So much so that he now wants to give Sandy the big, open, mouth-to-mouth kisses. WE are trying to dissuade tis. I'm not sure that Sandy is so keen either. But they are great friends. The daft dog has even developed Lassie-type-tendencies, of alerting my mum when BOi wakes, etc.

LittleMissFlustered Tue 09-Oct-12 09:30:12

BFN is mumsnet for 'big fat negative'.

Xiaoxiong Tue 09-Oct-12 10:33:51

Biggest of hugs for BJR - how is it going? I've been thinking about you all weekend.

AWCH sorry for the BFN. I know it will be a BFP soon grin

It's always funny reading back after a few days in RL and seeing that everyone else's days reflect ours so directly - uncharacteristic vomiting, mega clinginess, saying "deh-dee" which I assume means "teddy".

He has two teddies - we have christened one "Teddy Manusco" after the character in Confederacy of Dunces and the other is "Orwellian Teddy" because he has a t-shirt that says "I'm the Big Brother!". When he manages to say "Orwellian" we'll have a party smile

figgy and northern I've had sciatica this morning for the first time since the dumpling was born. Hopefully not a permanent fixture in my lower back, ouch!

aethel am following your house saga with interest (self-interest?) smile

DSM I'm sorry to say I'm not a RW fan ever since he murdered his way through many of my favourite songs on that swing album he did. His pop stuff is better though. Are you going to see him in concert?

MissRee Tue 09-Oct-12 11:33:03

I have a snotmonster at home too sad She slept for about 5 hours during the day yesterday at my Mum's too, poor little munchkin.

She did do two wees and a poo on the potty though!!! Just a case of Nanny putting her on there at random intervals at the moment but she's doing something on it every time she sits on it so she definitely knows what its for grin

We have Dada, Mama, Nana and yesterday randomly, bubbles!

She had us in stitches on Friday last week. DP and I both had the day off (hospital and haircuts) so we treated ourselves to some dinner out. Freya was sat in her highchair, happily munching on a bit of bread when two ladies sat down next to us. Clear as anything, Freya turned to them and said "Ellooo" and gave them a big grin!!! Now, I'm not sure if its just a coincidental noise but its not the first time she's done it!

hawthers Tue 09-Oct-12 13:11:39

Lordy lord. F has been asleep since 10. No idea what has prompted the epic nap but I've been doing sod all since 10.30 expecting him to wake up. Shit I've just wasted the entire morning...

Figgygal Tue 09-Oct-12 13:23:55

Hawthers i hate it when they do that!! Chance would be a fine thing we are lucky if we get 30min naps at the minute.

DS now says ta when you give him something the cm noticed it last week i dismissed it but he does he really does!!

dsm have to confess i used to hate RW thought he was an egotistical arsehole and that he couldnt sing.....but have softened a little ....why?

My BUBBLES! MissRee, that's great.

Oooh Figgy, I must've inherited your hatred for Robbie! I've never liked him but recently it's gotten worse (think it was the 'I can't fly to London for the Olympics'...'ooh look I'm in London promoting my album').

Xiao! Are you another who likes 'old people music'? DH always takes the mick out of my love for 50s-60s music.
Hope your sciatica stops being a pain soon (literally).

Oi, hope you have a better night tonight! <minihaddock for DQH>

Everything tastes of mouldy cheese today so still hoping it turns into a BFP! That or I'll lose lots of weight through not eating.

Baking DEC-ers; has anyone got a fantastic recipe for a vegetable (not carrot) cake/brownies?

MissRee That's brilliant.

RW - I love. He's a brilliant entertainer. Couldn't get tickets tho. They sold out fast sad

I'm off to Zumba tonight much to my dismay lol.

Oi Happy 40th.

Sick of the cold weather already. Need some St Lucia sun!

Xiaoxiong Tue 09-Oct-12 16:56:32

Yes yes yes make the beetroot chocolate cake by Nigel Slater. Absolute bliss!

And yes I like old people music. In fact I like dead people music - you should see the dumpling's face when we crank up the Josquin and Bach, he is completely rapt. (Or he is so bored he has turned into a zombie...) In terms of pop music my tastes are definitely catholic and it's easier to list what I don't like instead of what I do.

Don't likes:
synthetic over-produced pop music (eg. Katy Perry, any boyband)
house/trance/hardcore/rave (eg. whatever bass thumping shite our Ibiza wannabe lame-ass downstairs neighbor puts on at 3pm on a fucking Saturday afternoon when the baby is napping)
misogynistic violent rap (eg. Nelly)
self-indulgent out of tune moaners with poor vocal technique (eg. Adele)
self-consciously quirky hipster moaners (eg. the Decembrists, Neutral Milk Hotel)

Whoof, clearly I needed to get all that off my chest! I like pretty much everything else really.

Xiaoxiong Tue 09-Oct-12 17:07:20

DSM my prescription:
- peppermint hot choc from your coffee shop of choice
- a new warm scarf and snuggly warm socks (these are brill)
- a rough apple tart for dessert this weekend
- kicking leaves in your wellies
- any chance of a wood fire/bonfire?

I love the autumn smile

<crawls through piles of hankies to reach thread>
Woah. I have not been this ill in ages. I've had a second day off work, and very much doubt I'll be going in tomorrow, although I could work from home. I think I can classify this as flu now: between the masses of green snot (sorry), raw throat, aching all over, random shivers and sweats (I woke up this morning with wet PJs) and zero appetite, I feel it's a little more than a cold. Thanks for the good wishes all.
<crawls back under blanket>

Xiao, that's so crap about the sciatica, poor you. It's doubly irritating by being agony and absolutely invisible to the naked eye. I had it during pregnancy, and find that now it does re-occur occasionally, so sounds like we're in the same boat.

Glad they're doing something about the scar Gee, but ouch! does that sound like a painful way to treat it.

It's weird Oi, I've come across a few threads where the OH (and it does tend to be the OH or occasionally the PiLs) are obsessed with this 'winning' thing, and doing anything to stop the baby doing so.... At our LOs' age, they are not capable of being manipulative!

Soon, sooooon DP will be home with bags full of paracetmol and decongestant...

seven77 Tue 09-Oct-12 17:48:43

northen sounds like you're pretty rough, tell DP to get day nurse, they're the only ones that work. Hope you're well again soon!

oi I'm not surprised you were annoyed with DH. Hope you get a better night, I tend to just give them calpol when they get in that state tbh.

AWCH I was 8 days late before I got a BFP with Eva, despite testing from when AF was due. My fingers are firmly crossed for you. I'm a bit more relaxed now thanks, won't relax completely until after the 12 week scan though.

xiao another firm lover of autumn here! Apple and blackberry crumble mmm.