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May Baby Mayhem!

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Bodeccia Tue 15-May-12 11:07:41

Hello fellow May mums. Let's follow on from our lovely ante-natal threads, here's the first of the post-natal ones. Join us as we work out how to handle nappies, feeding, colic, crying and all things newborn, or just to celebrate the joys of a new baby!

Mikocat Tue 15-May-12 12:18:58

Hello Bodeccia,

When was your baby born? Mine (DD) was born 27th April but was actually due 1st May, so I was on the May thread.

Love her to bits, But damn it's hard work!

Bodeccia Tue 15-May-12 12:30:37

Hi Miko, I haven't actually given birth yet, I'm going to be induced on Thursday if nothing happens today/tomorrow. I'm super fed up of waiting now...

Here is the latest version of our stats on the ante natal club thread. Feel free to update if you're not on the list/info is out of date.

Born:
08.02.12 (26+6) - Gotmylittlelamb #1 GIRL Sophia Diane
21.04.12 (38+1) - Goodname #2 BOY 7lb 12oz
22.04.12 (38+3) - LadyMaybe #2 GIRL Rosalind Eliza, 7lb 8oz
24.04.12 (39+1) - Yorky #4 GIRL Pippa (Philippa) Kate, 8lb 2oz
27.04.12 (39+2) - Mikocat #1 GIRL April, 7lb 8oz
30.04.12 (39 weeks) - Wrigglebum #2 BOY Adam Zachary, 6lb 4oz
04.05.12 (38+6) - beeboles #3 BOY Tom
05.05.12 (39+6) - oltob #2 BOY Toby, 8lb 4oz
06.05.12 (39+1) - chocolatesparkle #1 GIRL Imogen Grace
08.05.12 (40 weeks) - myweeangel #2 BOY Noah, 10lb 8oz
08.05.12 (40+6) - DialMforMummy #2 BOY
09.05.12 (39+1) - PreciousPuddleduck #1 GIRL
11.05.12 (39+2) - googietheegg #1 GIRL, 7lb 7oz
12.05.12 (41+6) - Harecare #3 GIRL April Edith 9lb
12.05.12 (41+1) - saggybaps #2 BOY
12.05.12 (39+6) - bonbonpixie #1 GIRL Cameron
12.05.12 (41+2) - Mythical #1 GIRL Isabel Helen 8lb 7oz
13.05.12 (41 weeks) - purestcocoa #1 GIRL Imani 7lb 8oz
13.05.12 (39+3) - ballroompink #1 BOY Sebastian Henry James 7lbs 8oz
14.05.12 (39 weeks) - LittleSarah #3 BOY Finlay 5lb 14oz

EDD:

2nd May - MidwifeWithABump #1
4th May - Ariane5 #4 - scan = boy
5th May - Bodeccia #1 = girl
6th May - Tara0202 #2
8th May - dreamingofanallotment #1
8th May - SAF1610 #1?
9th May - cherrypie55 = girl
10th May - Marmite123 #1
10th May - Pickle54 #1 = boy
11th May - Cairnterrier, #2
13th May - musicalmrs, #1, surprise
13th May - Sugarx, #1, surprise
14th May - Montymum, #1
15th May - heidihole, #1, scan = boy
16th May - cupcakefairy, #2, surprise
16th May - Failsafe, #1
17th May - MandaHugNKiss #4
17th May - Sunshinela, #1
19th May - SirCharles #1, surprise
19th May - NewToThisStuff, #2, scan = girl, Planning ELCS @ 39 weeks
21st May - luckynumber11, #3, scan = girl, ?VBAC but would prefer ELCS
21st May - Basse, #1, scan = boy
22nd May - Knittymum, #3, girl (confirmed by 2 scans)
23th May - tostaky, #3, scan = boy
24th May - MixedClassBaby, #2
24th May - Cewafwb, #4, surprise
25th May - LimeFlower #1, surprise
26th May - GingerLemonTea #1, surprise
26th May - BebeBelge
27th May - SESthebrave #2, surprise, ELCS
28th May - Catsycat #3, girl (2 scans), ELCS
28th May - openerofjars #2
29th May - BlueCrane #1 - surprise
30th May - Langoria - surprise
30th May - Twittwoo #1
31st May - CluelessPro #1

tostaky Tue 15-May-12 21:02:35

marking my spot in anticipation!!

Sending lots of labour vibes your way Bodeccia!!

goodname Tue 15-May-12 21:50:56

Just adding my one name in.
Born:
08.02.12 (26+6) - Gotmylittlelamb #1 GIRL Sophia Diane
21.04.12 (38+1) - Goodname #2 BOY, Finlay 7lb 12oz
22.04.12 (38+3) - LadyMaybe #2 GIRL Rosalind Eliza, 7lb 8oz
24.04.12 (39+1) - Yorky #4 GIRL Pippa (Philippa) Kate, 8lb 2oz
27.04.12 (39+2) - Mikocat #1 GIRL April, 7lb 8oz
30.04.12 (39 weeks) - Wrigglebum #2 BOY Adam Zachary, 6lb 4oz
04.05.12 (38+6) - beeboles #3 BOY Tom
05.05.12 (39+6) - oltob #2 BOY Toby, 8lb 4oz
06.05.12 (39+1) - chocolatesparkle #1 GIRL Imogen Grace
08.05.12 (40 weeks) - myweeangel #2 BOY Noah, 10lb 8oz
08.05.12 (40+6) - DialMforMummy #2 BOY
09.05.12 (39+1) - PreciousPuddleduck #1 GIRL
11.05.12 (39+2) - googietheegg #1 GIRL, 7lb 7oz
12.05.12 (41+6) - Harecare #3 GIRL April Edith 9lb
12.05.12 (41+1) - saggybaps #2 BOY
12.05.12 (39+6) - bonbonpixie #1 GIRL Cameron
12.05.12 (41+2) - Mythical #1 GIRL Isabel Helen 8lb 7oz
13.05.12 (41 weeks) - purestcocoa #1 GIRL Imani 7lb 8oz
13.05.12 (39+3) - ballroompink #1 BOY Sebastian Henry James 7lbs 8oz
14.05.12 (39 weeks) - LittleSarah #3 BOY Finlay 5lb 14oz

EDD:

2nd May - MidwifeWithABump #1
4th May - Ariane5 #4 - scan = boy
5th May - Bodeccia #1 = girl
6th May - Tara0202 #2
8th May - dreamingofanallotment #1
8th May - SAF1610 #1?
9th May - cherrypie55 = girl
10th May - Marmite123 #1
10th May - Pickle54 #1 = boy
11th May - Cairnterrier, #2
13th May - musicalmrs, #1, surprise
13th May - Sugarx, #1, surprise
14th May - Montymum, #1
15th May - heidihole, #1, scan = boy
16th May - cupcakefairy, #2, surprise
16th May - Failsafe, #1
17th May - MandaHugNKiss #4
17th May - Sunshinela, #1
19th May - SirCharles #1, surprise
19th May - NewToThisStuff, #2, scan = girl, Planning ELCS @ 39 weeks
21st May - luckynumber11, #3, scan = girl, ?VBAC but would prefer ELCS
21st May - Basse, #1, scan = boy
22nd May - Knittymum, #3, girl (confirmed by 2 scans)
23th May - tostaky, #3, scan = boy
24th May - MixedClassBaby, #2
24th May - Cewafwb, #4, surprise
25th May - LimeFlower #1, surprise
26th May - GingerLemonTea #1, surprise
26th May - BebeBelge
27th May - SESthebrave #2, surprise, ELCS
28th May - Catsycat #3, girl (2 scans), ELCS
28th May - openerofjars #2
29th May - BlueCrane #1 - surprise
30th May - Langoria - surprise
30th May - Twittwoo #1
31st May - CluelessPro #1

alwaysanauntie Wed 16-May-12 08:58:44

Hi all, marking my spot, will add myself to the list when I get on the laptop later! (just so you know, Cora Regina born 13/05/12 at 39+6 dc1 for us)

Bodeccia Wed 16-May-12 09:27:51

Just updating the list

(Thanks for the vibes, tost smile)

Congratulations alwaysanauntie! I've put you on the list too smile

Born:

08.02.12 (26+6) - Gotmylittlelamb #1 GIRL Sophia Diane
21.04.12 (38+1) - Goodname #2 BOY, Finlay 7lb 12oz
22.04.12 (38+3) - LadyMaybe #2 GIRL Rosalind Eliza, 7lb 8oz
24.04.12 (39+1) - Yorky #4 GIRL Pippa (Philippa) Kate, 8lb 2oz
27.04.12 (39+2) - Mikocat #1 GIRL April, 7lb 8oz
30.04.12 (39 weeks) - Wrigglebum #2 BOY Adam Zachary, 6lb 4oz
04.05.12 (38+6) - beeboles #3 BOY Tom
05.05.12 (39+6) - oltob #2 BOY Toby, 8lb 4oz
06.05.12 (39+1) - chocolatesparkle #1 GIRL Imogen Grace
08.05.12 (40 weeks) - myweeangel #2 BOY Noah, 10lb 8oz
08.05.12 (40+6) - DialMforMummy #2 BOY
09.05.12 (39+1) - PreciousPuddleduck #1 GIRL
11.05.12 (39+2) - googietheegg #1 GIRL, 7lb 7oz
12.05.12 (41+6) - Harecare #3 GIRL April Edith 9lb
12.05.12 (41+1) - saggybaps #2 BOY
12.05.12 (39+6) - bonbonpixie #1 GIRL Cameron
12.05.12 (41+2) - Mythical #1 GIRL Isabel Helen 8lb 7oz
13.05.12 (41 weeks) - purestcocoa #1 GIRL Imani 7lb 8oz
13.05.12 (39+3) - ballroompink #1 BOY Sebastian Henry James 7lbs 8oz
13.05.12 (39+6) - alwaysanauntie #1 GIRL Cora Regina
14.05.12 (39 weeks) - LittleSarah #3 BOY Finlay 5lb 14oz
15.05.12 (39+4) - Newtothisstuff #2 GIRL Jessikah 6lb 3oz

EDD:

2nd May - MidwifeWithABump #1
4th May - Ariane5 #4 - scan = boy
5th May - Bodeccia #1 = girl
6th May - Tara0202 #2
8th May - dreamingofanallotment #1
8th May - SAF1610 #1?
9th May - cherrypie55 = girl
10th May - Marmite123 #1
10th May - Pickle54 #1 = boy
11th May - Cairnterrier, #2
13th May - musicalmrs, #1, surprise
13th May - Sugarx, #1, surprise
14th May - Montymum, #1
15th May - heidihole, #1, scan = boy
16th May - cupcakefairy, #2, surprise
16th May - Failsafe, #1
17th May - MandaHugNKiss #4
17th May - Sunshinela, #1
19th May - SirCharles #1, surprise
21st May - luckynumber11, #3, scan = girl, ?VBAC but would prefer ELCS
21st May - Basse, #1, scan = boy
22nd May - Knittymum, #3, girl (confirmed by 2 scans)
23th May - tostaky, #3, scan = boy
24th May - MixedClassBaby, #2
24th May - Cewafwb, #4, surprise
25th May - LimeFlower #1, surprise
26th May - GingerLemonTea #1, surprise
26th May - BebeBelge
27th May - SESthebrave #2, surprise, ELCS
28th May - Catsycat #3, girl (2 scans), ELCS
28th May - openerofjars #2
29th May - BlueCrane #1 - surprise
30th May - Langoria - surprise
30th May - Twittwoo #1
31st May - CluelessPro #1

Bodeccia Wed 16-May-12 10:09:58

Born:

08.02.12 (26+6) - Gotmylittlelamb #1 GIRL Sophia Diane
21.04.12 (38+1) - Goodname #2 BOY, Finlay 7lb 12oz
22.04.12 (38+3) - LadyMaybe #2 GIRL Rosalind Eliza, 7lb 8oz
24.04.12 (39+1) - Yorky #4 GIRL Pippa (Philippa) Kate, 8lb 2oz
27.04.12 (39+2) - Mikocat #1 GIRL April, 7lb 8oz
30.04.12 (39 weeks) - Wrigglebum #2 BOY Adam Zachary, 6lb 4oz
04.05.12 (38+6) - beeboles #3 BOY Tom
05.05.12 (39+6) - oltob #2 BOY Toby, 8lb 4oz
06.05.12 (39+1) - chocolatesparkle #1 GIRL Imogen Grace
08.05.12 (40 weeks) - myweeangel #2 BOY Noah, 10lb 8oz
08.05.12 (40+6) - DialMforMummy #2 BOY
09.05.12 (39+1) - PreciousPuddleduck #1 GIRL
11.05.12 (39+2) - googietheegg #1 GIRL, 7lb 7oz
12.05.12 (41+6) - Harecare #3 GIRL April Edith 9lb
12.05.12 (41+1) - saggybaps #2 BOY
12.05.12 (39+6) - bonbonpixie #1 GIRL Cameron
12.05.12 (41+2) - Mythical #1 GIRL Isabel Helen 8lb 7oz
13.05.12 (41 weeks) - purestcocoa #1 GIRL Imani 7lb 8oz
13.05.12 (39+3) - ballroompink #1 BOY Sebastian Henry James 7lbs 8oz
13.05.12 (39+6) - alwaysanauntie #1 GIRL Cora Regina
14.05.12 (39 weeks) - LittleSarah #3 BOY Finlay 5lb 14oz
15.05.12 (39+4) - Newtothisstuff #2 GIRL Jessikah 6lb 3oz
16.05.12 (41+1) - dreamingofanallotment #1 Isla Grace 8lb

EDD:

2nd May - MidwifeWithABump #1
4th May - Ariane5 #4 - scan = boy
5th May - Bodeccia #1 = girl
6th May - Tara0202 #2
8th May - SAF1610 #1?
9th May - cherrypie55 = girl
10th May - Marmite123 #1
10th May - Pickle54 #1 = boy
11th May - Cairnterrier, #2
13th May - musicalmrs, #1, surprise
13th May - Sugarx, #1, surprise
14th May - Montymum, #1
15th May - heidihole, #1, scan = boy
16th May - cupcakefairy, #2, surprise
16th May - Failsafe, #1
17th May - MandaHugNKiss #4
17th May - Sunshinela, #1
19th May - SirCharles #1, surprise
21st May - luckynumber11, #3, scan = girl, ?VBAC but would prefer ELCS
21st May - Basse, #1, scan = boy
22nd May - Knittymum, #3, girl (confirmed by 2 scans)
23th May - tostaky, #3, scan = boy
24th May - MixedClassBaby, #2
24th May - Cewafwb, #4, surprise
25th May - LimeFlower #1, surprise
26th May - GingerLemonTea #1, surprise
26th May - BebeBelge
27th May - SESthebrave #2, surprise, ELCS
28th May - Catsycat #3, girl (2 scans), ELCS
28th May - openerofjars #2
29th May - BlueCrane #1 - surprise
30th May - Langoria - surprise
30th May - Twittwoo #1
31st May - CluelessPro #1

Wrigglebum Wed 16-May-12 11:04:39

Marking my place too, the list is looking good!

bonbonpixie Thu 17-May-12 14:40:11

Definitely hard but worthwhile work! Little Cameron is so beautiful, I love her to bits but I was not prepared for just how hard breast feeding actually is!! During pregnancy I was lamenting on about how I'd do it for at least 9 months now I'm just happy to get through the day!
Very very steep learning curve!

katykuns Thu 17-May-12 19:48:13

Hello smile I have been a bit inactive recently... as had my daughter on the 11th!
Her name is Emily Edith Harriet smile She was born at 8.23 and weighed at 8 pounds 10 ounces.
Bonbonpixie - Finding the breast feeding absolutely awful tbh, but my only positive bit of advice is to purchase an electric breast pump - seriously reduced the discomfort of my boobs! Emily would spend all day breast feeding if she could, and the only position I appear to have mastered (use that word loosely) is lying on the bed on my side.
So very tired yawn

Have updated the list!

Born:

08.02.12 (26+6) - Gotmylittlelamb #1 GIRL Sophia Diane
21.04.12 (38+1) - Goodname #2 BOY, Finlay 7lb 12oz
22.04.12 (38+3) - LadyMaybe #2 GIRL Rosalind Eliza, 7lb 8oz
24.04.12 (39+1) - Yorky #4 GIRL Pippa (Philippa) Kate, 8lb 2oz
27.04.12 (39+2) - Mikocat #1 GIRL April, 7lb 8oz
30.04.12 (39 weeks) - Wrigglebum #2 BOY Adam Zachary, 6lb 4oz
04.05.12 (38+6) - beeboles #3 BOY Tom
05.05.12 (39+6) - oltob #2 BOY Toby, 8lb 4oz
06.05.12 (39+1) - chocolatesparkle #1 GIRL Imogen Grace
08.05.12 (40 weeks) - myweeangel #2 BOY Noah, 10lb 8oz
08.05.12 (40+6) - DialMforMummy #2 BOY
09.05.12 (39+1) - PreciousPuddleduck #1 GIRL
11.05.12 (39+2) - googietheegg #1 GIRL, 7lb 7oz
11.05.12 (39+3) - Katykuns #2 GIRL Emily Edith Harriet
12.05.12 (41+6) - Harecare #3 GIRL April Edith 9lb
12.05.12 (41+1) - saggybaps #2 BOY
12.05.12 (39+6) - bonbonpixie #1 GIRL Cameron
12.05.12 (41+2) - Mythical #1 GIRL Isabel Helen 8lb 7oz
13.05.12 (41 weeks) - purestcocoa #1 GIRL Imani 7lb 8oz
13.05.12 (39+3) - ballroompink #1 BOY Sebastian Henry James 7lbs 8oz
13.05.12 (39+6) - alwaysanauntie #1 GIRL Cora Regina
14.05.12 (39 weeks) - LittleSarah #3 BOY Finlay 5lb 14oz
15.05.12 (39+4) - Newtothisstuff #2 GIRL Jessikah 6lb 3oz
16.05.12 (41+1) - dreamingofanallotment #1 Isla Grace 8lb

EDD:

2nd May - MidwifeWithABump #1
4th May - Ariane5 #4 - scan = boy
5th May - Bodeccia #1 = girl
6th May - Tara0202 #2
8th May - SAF1610 #1?
9th May - cherrypie55 = girl
10th May - Marmite123 #1
10th May - Pickle54 #1 = boy
11th May - Cairnterrier, #2
13th May - musicalmrs, #1, surprise
13th May - Sugarx, #1, surprise
14th May - Montymum, #1
15th May - heidihole, #1, scan = boy
16th May - cupcakefairy, #2, surprise
16th May - Failsafe, #1
17th May - MandaHugNKiss #4
17th May - Sunshinela, #1
19th May - SirCharles #1, surprise
21st May - luckynumber11, #3, scan = girl, ?VBAC but would prefer ELCS
21st May - Basse, #1, scan = boy
22nd May - Knittymum, #3, girl (confirmed by 2 scans)
23th May - tostaky, #3, scan = boy
24th May - MixedClassBaby, #2
24th May - Cewafwb, #4, surprise
25th May - LimeFlower #1, surprise
26th May - GingerLemonTea #1, surprise
26th May - BebeBelge
27th May - SESthebrave #2, surprise, ELCS
28th May - Catsycat #3, girl (2 scans), ELCS
28th May - openerofjars #2
29th May - BlueCrane #1 - surprise
30th May - Langoria - surprise
30th May - Twittwoo #1
31st May - CluelessPro #1

bonbonpixie Thu 17-May-12 23:19:05

Electric pump is a godsend! I take one feed off at night, as I've found that when she wakes up at 3am starving I can sometimes be so sore and engorged that she won't latch on and I have to use the pump to take a little off just to get her on the nipple! One bottle feed with expressed milk doesn't seem to make much difference as she feeds normally during the day.
Does anyone know how long it takes after your milk supply comes for everything to settle down and feel comfortable?

PreciousPuddleduck Fri 18-May-12 11:24:43

Hello,
Nice to join the new thread. Our DD was born on the 9th smile
Initially wanted to sleep all day and be awake all night hut settling down a bit now. It's my first child & I was not prepared for how emotional I would feel in the first few days. I just want her to stay this tiny & previous forever. Have got past the crying stage now and just keep taking lots of photos!! Nice to be able to have some (wine) after we registered her yesterday smile

katykuns Fri 18-May-12 12:03:56

Hehe also taking loads of photos! I haven't been massively emotional in crying.. but I am utterly gooey over her and literally could sit and stare at her all day. She is my second, and I think I am finding it so much easier in many ways, as I just felt so scared all the time with my first that I was doing a bad job (she hasn't turned out too bad :P)..
I think its also because my ex (DD1's father) was absolutely no help! and generally just a complete ass! My partner now is wonderful with her and has been a real support with the breastfeeding (the only cause of my upset-ness!). We are taking turns doing the nights as well, and the one that gets a decent night's sleep does the school run with DD1... its turning out to be a pretty good system smile This is until I go back to work (partner will be a SAHD) in August.

How did everyone's delivery go? I love to hear the birth stories ^^

mythical Fri 18-May-12 13:07:27

Hi everyone! I have a birth story should I post it here?

tostaky Fri 18-May-12 13:22:05

Yes yes yes!!! grin

pickledpeppers Fri 18-May-12 19:08:23

Can I join please? First baby son born on 14.05.2012 at 19.35 weighing 6lb 14oz. Just feeling overwhelmed at how gorgeous he is. Been home 2 nights after 2 nights in hosp and just love watching him sleep, silly really as I should be sleeping then too.
Found bf a stubble as he was getting frustrated with it so now I'm happily using electric pump to express milk and top up with formula, it's been much better for all of us.
Had an emcs so finding the recovery tough and there have been lots of tears so far!

pickledpeppers Fri 18-May-12 19:09:00

Bf a struggle not stubble!

ballroompink Fri 18-May-12 19:38:51

Another one here feeling the BF challenge! I got so frustrated on my first night with him as he was refusing to latch on but wouldn't sleep and I had no idea how to sort it out. Luckily one of the midwives was really helpful and I also spoke to the BF counsellor before I went home. Still have seriously sore nipples though and hoping they get a bit better soon!

goodname Fri 18-May-12 20:21:05

Hi all I had my second baby boy on 21 april (2 weeks early) but just wanted to say last time round I found bf quite a struggle to start with, couldnt get him latched on for 2 days, but it got much much easier after a couple of weeks and this time round it has been so easy i dont even have sore nipples so its worth persevering with. Actually I struggled to stop bf and kept going til 18 months in the end!
Also I used an electric pump last time but I lost it this time round and have a manual avent one and its actually much easier not having to faff round looking for a plug socket and theres no noise to wake your baby up!

tostaky Sat 19-May-12 08:06:34

Just wanted to say, lasinoh cream is really really a lifesaver when it comes to sore nipples wink
It wasn't until my nipples were bleeding than the breast feeding councillor mention that cream to me when I had DC1!!!

Lovely to hear about how you are all getting on with your baby! Hopefully I should be able to join you soon! grin

cupcakefairy Sat 19-May-12 08:23:00

Agreed tostaky it is an absolute must, applied after every feed. Also if you're having problems call your mw & ask for a maternity care assistant to come out & supervise feeds, it really does help to have the extra support there & builds your confidence.
bonbon it took a good 4 weeks for ds & I to settle into feedig properly..for my supply to regulate, nipples to not be as sore & generally just getting into a routine.. after that it was plain sailing to 11 months when I stopped feeding so stick with it! smile

LittleSarah Sat 19-May-12 18:42:08

Hello

(Posted some of this in ante natal but thought I'd pop it in here too).

As you can see from the list I had a baby boy on the 14th May, Finlay, 5lb 14oz.

It is hard I know! For me the lack of sleep, just feeling zombie like.

Feeding - Going well, not leaking as much as I did with the other two. Not sure if it is still to come but so far just a small amount. Breasts not so engorged but still v full and latch on right side v sore at first. Can't seem to improve it much, wish I could!

So far Finlay is a good and calm little thing so I'm hoping he stays that way. Haven't really noticed how often he wakes as I tend to avoid looking at the clock! Think it is the usual every two or three hours though. Generally exhausted but dh has been great so managing fine. Trying to bolster myself mentally for dh returning to work in a week a bit.

How are those with the totey babies doing with clothes?? Nothing fits Finlay except 'tiny baby' vests I was given and thought would be too small! Oh and one sleepsuit. Have bought a few smaller bits (all ds's 0-3 is hanging off him) and they are also too big! I know that soon enough he will fit them of course, already he has gained weight, now 6lbs.

Oh must mention MIL presents; box of maltesers, one old baby vest and a (used!) tub of sudacrem! She is terrible. She also brought an incredibly old rusty scooter for ds1 and said it was for his birthday (next month)! Honestly I like second hand but really perhaps one wee new thing for a new baby...? And an opened tub of sudacrem?? Ugh. On the other hand my mum brought a lovely box of goodies from local wholefood supermarket (fudge, bubble bath, pate, cheese, sweeties, etc), suits from John Lewis and some champagne. They are soooo different.

How are everyone else's visitors? We've had most of the main folk expected. Not dh's dad as they live up north (plus he is rubbish anyway) and dh's brother hasn't organised to come down and dh pretty angry about it. He texted him midweek and brother said oh v busy with work but will come soon, haven't heard since. And as my sister said 'we're all busy with work'. Oh well!

Bodeccia Mon 21-May-12 18:00:11

Hello all

Just updating the list with my details:

Born:

08.02.12 (26+6) - Gotmylittlelamb #1 GIRL Sophia Diane
21.04.12 (38+1) - Goodname #2 BOY, Finlay 7lb 12oz
22.04.12 (38+3) - LadyMaybe #2 GIRL Rosalind Eliza, 7lb 8oz
24.04.12 (39+1) - Yorky #4 GIRL Pippa (Philippa) Kate, 8lb 2oz
27.04.12 (39+2) - Mikocat #1 GIRL April, 7lb 8oz
30.04.12 (39 weeks) - Wrigglebum #2 BOY Adam Zachary, 6lb 4oz
04.05.12 (38+6) - beeboles #3 BOY Tom
05.05.12 (39+6) - oltob #2 BOY Toby, 8lb 4oz
06.05.12 (39+1) - chocolatesparkle #1 GIRL Imogen Grace
08.05.12 (40 weeks) - myweeangel #2 BOY Noah, 10lb 8oz
08.05.12 (40+6) - DialMforMummy #2 BOY
09.05.12 (39+1) - PreciousPuddleduck #1 GIRL
11.05.12 (39+2) - googietheegg #1 GIRL, 7lb 7oz
11.05.12 (39+3) - Katykuns #2 GIRL Emily Edith Harriet
12.05.12 (41+6) - Harecare #3 GIRL April Edith 9lb
12.05.12 (41+1) - saggybaps #2 BOY
12.05.12 (39+6) - bonbonpixie #1 GIRL Cameron
12.05.12 (41+2) - Mythical #1 GIRL Isabel Helen 8lb 7oz
13.05.12 (41 weeks) - purestcocoa #1 GIRL Imani 7lb 8oz
13.05.12 (39+3) - ballroompink #1 BOY Sebastian Henry James 7lbs 8oz
13.05.12 (39+6) - alwaysanauntie #1 GIRL Cora Regina
14.05.12 (39 weeks) - LittleSarah #3 BOY Finlay 5lb 14oz
15.05.12 (39+4) - Newtothisstuff #2 GIRL Jessikah 6lb 3oz
16.05.12 (41+1) - dreamingofanallotment #1 Isla Grace 8lb
18.05.12 (41+6) - Bodeccia #1 GIRL Adèle Johanna 8lb 11

EDD:

2nd May - MidwifeWithABump #1
4th May - Ariane5 #4 - scan = boy
6th May - Tara0202 #2
8th May - SAF1610 #1?
9th May - cherrypie55 = girl
10th May - Marmite123 #1
10th May - Pickle54 #1 = boy
11th May - Cairnterrier, #2
13th May - musicalmrs, #1, surprise
13th May - Sugarx, #1, surprise
14th May - Montymum, #1
15th May - heidihole, #1, scan = boy
16th May - cupcakefairy, #2, surprise
16th May - Failsafe, #1
17th May - MandaHugNKiss #4
17th May - Sunshinela, #1
19th May - SirCharles #1, surprise
21st May - luckynumber11, #3, scan = girl, ?VBAC but would prefer ELCS
21st May - Basse, #1, scan = boy
22nd May - Knittymum, #3, girl (confirmed by 2 scans)
23th May - tostaky, #3, scan = boy
24th May - MixedClassBaby, #2
24th May - Cewafwb, #4, surprise
25th May - LimeFlower #1, surprise
26th May - GingerLemonTea #1, surprise
26th May - BebeBelge
27th May - SESthebrave #2, surprise, ELCS
28th May - Catsycat #3, girl (2 scans), ELCS
28th May - openerofjars #2
29th May - BlueCrane #1 - surprise
30th May - Langoria - surprise
30th May - Twittwoo #1
31st May - CluelessPro #1

Ho ho, at the moment, harecare and me are in the lead for the most overdue babies... I'm so proud... <sigh>

I'll post my birth story at some point when I'm not feeling so rabbit-in-headlights and my boobs have calmed down.

Mythical Tue 22-May-12 21:34:34

hello everyone! i just got around to writing my loong birth story - here it is

will catch up with you all soon!
have also updated my profile with some pictures of the little one
congrats on all the lovely new babies!

cupcakefairy Thu 24-May-12 18:05:19

Ladies I tried posting on the AN thread but it's so big I don't think my phone can cope with it..
So hello all! Hopefully discussion continuing here as our other thread about to burst..

Massive congrats to tostaky and sircharles so pleased it worked out well for you both. We need a mammoth list update!
If anyone can add me it's 22/5, 40+6, boy Sebastian John, 10lbs grin

Thanks littlesarah too, makes me laugh Finlay reaching 6lbs when I have such a chubster here! Honestly no idea how I pushed this monster out!

tostaky Fri 25-May-12 09:59:07

Hello all!! Such a relief to have this big baby out! I just can't believe he had any space in my belly smile

Quick birth story - I was super anxious about my waters being broken , lying to hosp about it in order to delay an elcs... So I went in hospital 36hours after my water broke to say they had just broken, then DP took me for dinner in a really nice garden pub, and we finish that lovely evening by a nice walk around the block. I had some contractions but I came to term with the fact that I was more likely now to have an elcs than my planned vbac.
I tried to sleep and relax, never really believing I was in active labour even though they were coming every 3 minutes and lasted longer and longer. I kept being woken up by my cx. At 4 o'clock I started panicking a bit... What if baby really wanted to come out today...? (with DS2 I had 6 days of early labour so I just couldn't be sure that 2 days of cx was enough for this baby). As my cx were stronger and longer I decided to wake up DP at 5am. He had a shower then I called my doula and we all set off to the hospital around 6.30am.
At hospital I was relieved to learn I was 6cm. Must have been the fact I relaxed about things and that i had a good evening and night that did the trick. I had gas & air and I started to ask (not very convincingly!) about other pain relief available as I could remember from DS2 what was ahead of me....
Then it is all a big blur, me screaming of pain, losing the rest of my wAters, begging for whatever drugs they could give me (i didnt have anything in the end). When baby's head was crowning I asked for an episiotomy (DS2 was 4.2kg and I pushed for 2hrs) and this baby looked quite big too... The consultant came in and said "low threshold" for episiotomy which meant it was ok. I probably pushed for 5 very burning minutes and baby was out!!!
grin
So yes, I am a big wimp, my throat hurt from screaming so much blush and I have an episiotomy. But I feel so much better now!!!
Baby seems to be very calm but he seems to have terrible reflux already, projectile vomiting all his feed sad and wriggling in discomfort, tummy gurgling after every feed... Apart from that he is perfectgringringrin

tostaky Fri 25-May-12 10:06:45

Congratulations sircharles - glad things well went!! And I agree a doula is a great support!! We wished we had one for DS1 birth!

Sesthebrave and lucky - good luck with the waiting. Those last weeks are awful aren't they? Hopefully before you know it, you'll have your babies!! Keep us posted smile

Bluecrane - I waited until I couldn't speak through the contractions before going in hospital. Apparently it is a good indicator wink. Don't be too dishearten, your body need all that pre-labour work! Baby is on its way!!

Littlerayofsunshine - I know the waiting is awful... Relax, baby is bound to make an appearance any time now! Let us know xx smile

cupcakefairy Fri 25-May-12 16:57:42

List update..
Hope I didn't miss anyone?

Born:

08.02.12 (26+6) - Gotmylittlelamb #1 GIRL Sophia Diane
21.04.12 (38+1) - Goodname #2 BOY, Finlay 7lb 12oz
22.04.12 (38+3) - LadyMaybe #2 GIRL Rosalind Eliza, 7lb 8oz
24.04.12 (39+1) - Yorky #4 GIRL Pippa (Philippa) Kate, 8lb 2oz
27.04.12 (39+2) - Mikocat #1 GIRL April, 7lb 8oz
30.04.12 (39 weeks) - Wrigglebum #2 BOY Adam Zachary, 6lb 4oz
04.05.12 (38+6) - beeboles #3 BOY Tom
05.05.12 (39+6) - oltob #2 BOY Toby, 8lb 4oz
06.05.12 (39+1) - chocolatesparkle #1 GIRL Imogen Grace
08.05.12 (40 weeks) - myweeangel #2 BOY Noah, 10lb 8oz
08.05.12 (40+6) - DialMforMummy #2 BOY
09.05.12 (39+1) - PreciousPuddleduck #1 GIRL
11.05.12 (39+2) - googietheegg #1 GIRL, 7lb 7oz
11.05.12 (39+3) - Katykuns #2 GIRL Emily Edith Harriet
12.05.12 (41+6) - Harecare #3 GIRL April Edith 9lb
12.05.12 (41+1) - saggybaps #2 BOY
12.05.12 (39+6) - bonbonpixie #1 GIRL Cameron
12.05.12 (41+2) - Mythical #1 GIRL Isabel Helen 8lb 7oz
13.05.12 (41 weeks) - purestcocoa #1 GIRL Imani 7lb 8oz
13.05.12 (39+3) - ballroompink #1 BOY Sebastian Henry James 7lbs 8oz
13.05.12 (39+6) - alwaysanauntie #1 GIRL Cora Regina
14.05.12 (39 weeks) - LittleSarah #3 BOY Finlay 5lb 14oz
15.05.12 (39+4) - Newtothisstuff #2 GIRL Jessikah 6lb 3oz
16.05.12 (41+1) - dreamingofanallotment #1 GIRL Isla Grace 8lb
17.05.12 (39 weeks) - Cewafwb #4 GIRL Savannah Darcy Ailsa
18.05.12 (41+6) - Bodeccia #1 GIRL Adèle Johanna 8lb 11
21.05.12 (39 weeks) - Catsycat #3 GIRL Zuleika Seren 9lbs 1oz
22.05.12 (40+4) - imissbrie #1 GIRL Heidi Anna 7lbs 15oz
22.05.12 (40+6) - cupcakefairy #2 BOY Sebastian John 10lbs
23.05.12 (40+4) - SirCharles #1 BOY
23.05.12 (39+6) - mixedclassbaby #2 GIRL Rosie Eris
24.05.12 (40+1) - tostaky #3 BOY Areski 9lbs 7oz

EDD:

2nd May - MidwifeWithABump #1
4th May - Ariane5 #4 - scan = boy
6th May - Tara0202 #2
8th May - SAF1610 #1?
9th May - cherrypie55 = girl
10th May - Marmite123 #1
10th May - Pickle54 #1 = boy
11th May - Cairnterrier, #2
13th May - musicalmrs, #1, surprise
13th May - Sugarx, #1, surprise
14th May - Montymum, #1
15th May - heidihole, #1, scan = boy
16th May - Failsafe, #1
17th May - MandaHugNKiss #4
17th May - Sunshinela, #1
21st May - luckynumber11, #3, scan = girl, ?VBAC but would prefer ELCS
21st May - Basse, #1, scan = boy
22nd May - Knittymum, #3, girl (confirmed by 2 scans)
25th May - LimeFlower #1, surprise
26th May - GingerLemonTea #1, surprise
26th May - BebeBelge
27th May - SESthebrave #2, surprise, ELCS
28th May - openerofjars #2
29th May - BlueCrane #1 - surprise
30th May - Langoria - surprise
30th May - Twittwoo #1
31st May - CluelessPro #1

alwaysanauntie Sat 26-May-12 09:31:49

Just adding birth weight:

Born:

08.02.12 (26+6) - Gotmylittlelamb #1 GIRL Sophia Diane
21.04.12 (38+1) - Goodname #2 BOY, Finlay 7lb 12oz
22.04.12 (38+3) - LadyMaybe #2 GIRL Rosalind Eliza, 7lb 8oz
24.04.12 (39+1) - Yorky #4 GIRL Pippa (Philippa) Kate, 8lb 2oz
27.04.12 (39+2) - Mikocat #1 GIRL April, 7lb 8oz
30.04.12 (39 weeks) - Wrigglebum #2 BOY Adam Zachary, 6lb 4oz
04.05.12 (38+6) - beeboles #3 BOY Tom
05.05.12 (39+6) - oltob #2 BOY Toby, 8lb 4oz
06.05.12 (39+1) - chocolatesparkle #1 GIRL Imogen Grace
08.05.12 (40 weeks) - myweeangel #2 BOY Noah, 10lb 8oz
08.05.12 (40+6) - DialMforMummy #2 BOY
09.05.12 (39+1) - PreciousPuddleduck #1 GIRL
11.05.12 (39+2) - googietheegg #1 GIRL, 7lb 7oz
11.05.12 (39+3) - Katykuns #2 GIRL Emily Edith Harriet
12.05.12 (41+6) - Harecare #3 GIRL April Edith 9lb
12.05.12 (41+1) - saggybaps #2 BOY
12.05.12 (39+6) - bonbonpixie #1 GIRL Cameron
12.05.12 (41+2) - Mythical #1 GIRL Isabel Helen 8lb 7oz
13.05.12 (41 weeks) - purestcocoa #1 GIRL Imani 7lb 8oz
13.05.12 (39+3) - ballroompink #1 BOY Sebastian Henry James 7lbs 8oz
13.05.12 (39+5) - alwaysanauntie #1 GIRL Cora Regina 6lbs 4oz
14.05.12 (39 weeks) - LittleSarah #3 BOY Finlay 5lb 14oz
15.05.12 (39+4) - Newtothisstuff #2 GIRL Jessikah 6lb 3oz
16.05.12 (41+1) - dreamingofanallotment #1 GIRL Isla Grace 8lb
17.05.12 (39 weeks) - Cewafwb #4 GIRL Savannah Darcy Ailsa
18.05.12 (41+6) - Bodeccia #1 GIRL Adèle Johanna 8lb 11
21.05.12 (39 weeks) - Catsycat #3 GIRL Zuleika Seren 9lbs 1oz
22.05.12 (40+4) - imissbrie #1 GIRL Heidi Anna 7lbs 15oz
22.05.12 (40+6) - cupcakefairy #2 BOY Sebastian John 10lbs
23.05.12 (40+4) - SirCharles #1 BOY
23.05.12 (39+6) - mixedclassbaby #2 GIRL Rosie Eris
24.05.12 (40+1) - tostaky #3 BOY Areski 9lbs 7oz

EDD:

2nd May - MidwifeWithABump #1
4th May - Ariane5 #4 - scan = boy
6th May - Tara0202 #2
8th May - SAF1610 #1?
9th May - cherrypie55 = girl
10th May - Marmite123 #1
10th May - Pickle54 #1 = boy
11th May - Cairnterrier, #2
13th May - musicalmrs, #1, surprise
13th May - Sugarx, #1, surprise
14th May - Montymum, #1
15th May - heidihole, #1, scan = boy
16th May - Failsafe, #1
17th May - MandaHugNKiss #4
17th May - Sunshinela, #1
21st May - luckynumber11, #3, scan = girl, ?VBAC but would prefer ELCS
21st May - Basse, #1, scan = boy
22nd May - Knittymum, #3, girl (confirmed by 2 scans)
25th May - LimeFlower #1, surprise
26th May - GingerLemonTea #1, surprise
26th May - BebeBelge
27th May - SESthebrave #2, surprise, ELCS
28th May - openerofjars #2
29th May - BlueCrane #1 - surprise
30th May - Langoria - surprise
30th May - Twittwoo #1
31st May - CluelessPro #1

tostaky Sat 26-May-12 12:12:54

thanks for updating the list!

TMI: not sure about everybody else but i have theworst case of piles.... ah the things they dont tell you about childbirth.....

alwaysanauntie Sat 26-May-12 13:06:33

Ok am going to try and write up birth story as it's nearly been 2 weeks (can't believe how quickly that's passed!). Currently sitting in the shade in the garden having just taken dog for hour long walk in local park with Cora who is now lying in her moses basket and hopefully going to give mummy a bit of time on the laptop! Here goes (--might be-- definitely is a long one, get yourself a pot of brew and a pack of biscuit or skip it for when you have more time grin)...

Saturday 12th May:
DM had been staying for a couple of days to help us decorate our bedroom and left about 7.30pm, so I decided to have a nice hot bath (she can be a bit tiring, being 8 1/2 months pregnant does not pass as an acceptable excuse with my mum angry). After I got out around 8.30 I decided to chill out on our bed for a while to cool down and started getting mild period type cramps. I thought hmm braxton hicks are getting a bit stronger, hopefully means I shouldn't go too far over my dates (DC1 for me, having panicked about her being premature I was now starting to panic about going over and having to be induced with my relaxed homebirth going out the window). Anyway, realised the contractions were fairly regular, roughly every 15 mins, whereas all my BHs had been very irregular, so went and told DH to lay off the wine for the rest of the night just in case. Took a coupe of paracetamol (pains still very mild), had a bit of dinner and went to bed. Slept as well as I had the previous few nights (was fed up of stoopidly sore hips and trying to roll over every few hours to get comfortable) and the contractions weren't bothering me so thought things could be a while off.

Sunday 13th May:
After I got up I was trying to monitor how regularly contractions were coming, but seemed a bit all over the place (between 10 and 40 mins) posted on the late may thread a few times grin and carried on with food shopping and making sauces for lasagnes to put in freezer ready for D Day. Took a couple more paracetamol as contractions were slightly more painful, but still irregular and stopped for lunch around 12.30. My neighbour's granddaughter is expecting her first in August so went and had a chat with them after lunch, said I'd had a few twinges so may have baby in the next few days, but just as we were saying bye I felt a pop and gush (was a bit shock but not much liquid, wasn't like Niagra falls or anything smile) and figured my waters had broken so waddled back inside and told DH!

I carried on with making the sauces and used the contraction timer I downloaded onto my smart phone, and after about 1/2 an hour realised they were coming every 1.5-2 mins lasting 45-60 seconds. Thought I'd better phone the hospital to book in as their advice was "when your contractions eventually build up to be 5 mins apart, call us and we'll asses how you're doing", I seemed to have skipped the gradual build up bit and the midwife at the unit sounded pretty sceptical when we went through all the 'are you actually in labour' questions. Anyway she got the community midwife on call to phone me at 2pm, and after going over all the details again she said she'd come and visit at 3 once she'd seen another lady. I was still cooking at this point, but having to stop and breath through contractions as they were getting more intense, timings stayed pretty much the same. By the time she arrived I'd had to give up on cooking as there wasn't enough time between each contraction to do anything useful (some were back to back so 2-3mins long sad) and I was having to kneel on living room floor swaying to get through them. Plus I found out my tens I'd bought on ebay had the wrong electrodes so still had no pain relief, was not happy about that and felt very silly for not having checked before blush.

Went upstairs with MW who spent an hour going through paperwork, measuring BP, pulse and noting when I had "tightenings" (I thought to myself - they're NOT tightenings, they're bloody contractions, in my mind there's a big difference!) and eventually asked if I wanted her to examine me. I was so pleased that she offered as I was desperate for some idea of how much more pain I had to come and to get her to give me the diamorphine I'd got a prescription for from the GP! After a bit of prodding and poking (wasn't terrible but not great when you're having a contraction) she said, we'll I'm not going anywhere else tonight, your 9 cms and will have a baby in 4 hrs! I was sooo happy in one way but that meant no pain relief until the 2nd midwife could get to the house, far too late for diamorphine as it would more than likely affect the baby. Did have a nice shower to clean up as mucous plug and more waters meant I looked a bit of a state grin.

5pm 2nd midwife arrived, who spent ages (so it felt) setting up the resus kit on the landing, eventully got the g&a only to say "oh, there's no mouthpiece in the bag" my heart sank, but fortunately MW1 had a spare with her (happy me again) to hear a few seconds later MW2: "where are the tubes, I can't find them in the bag" MW1: they should have been on the trolley in a separate bag" MW2: "oh, maybe I didn't pick the up but I didn't see anything left on trolley" again, I was nearly going to start crying as pain was really getting quite intense and I didn't know how much longer I could last and had really wanted to avoid transfer to hospital. Eventually it turned out they were there all along and I merrily started sucking away on the G&A when I had contractions, definitely help me loads, though I did notice as the contractions tailed off it was making me feel very light headed, still better than nothing grin!

Got to about 6pm and although I was fine and baby was doing well (did have a panic when they thought her heart rate had dropped off to 65bpm, but realised that was actually me, and she was fine) so was made to sit on the loo as the position and gravity help get things moving, the second contraction I had sitting there I thought the baby was going to end up in the pan so headed back to the bed (I laboured on my knees they whole way through with a big bean bag to rest my arms/head on), had to try and push a bit/wait a bit to get baby down further (to be honest she would have been born earlier but I was afraid of pushing too hard in case she came flying out and I had a terrible tear!). Eventually when they could see her crowning (MW1: she's got a lovely head of hair!") it only took a couple of pushes to get her out at 7.17pm , but I did nearly squash her after she was born (I didn't realise she was out, thought it was just the head so when MW1 told me to lean back I was leaning forward to try and get a better position for delivery blush) after being shouted at a bit louder and once I'd heard the baby screaming I got the picture and had her passed between my legs to hold. Managed to turn round so I could sit down with her on my tummy for skin to skin and to try latching on. I also chose to have a physiological 3rd stage, but couldn't get DD latched on so I think that delayed things, DH cut the cord after it had stopped pulsing, and after 45 mins they took her off to have checks/weight etc done and I eventually got placenta out while sitting on the loo (again hmm).

After all that I had my stitches done (think about 10 - 2nd degree tear as DD had her hand up by her cheek in a "no photos!" kind of action) and eventually got baby latched on whilst lying down so stayed there for 1 1/2 hours just looking at her. We eventually got her dressed and I had a shower to clean up around 11pm, don't think I slept much that night as the adrenaline and very welcome relief of local anaesthetic for stitches meant I felt really well, plus every little squeek and whinge had me jumping up to see if she was ok (did have her in the bed most of the night) but she also slept for 5 hours so all was good grin. As an after thought, while I was in labour DH was a star - hoovered and dusted house before the MW came, mowed lawn, finished making lasagnes, brough food and drinks for MWs and me, and although he checked in regularly he didn't stay in the room until it came to the last hour (I figured what was the point of him sitting and looking at me for 6 hours!) I did get one back rub from the midwife which was quite nice (and better than DH could do!) but otherwise he busied himself with jobs around the house - a huge benefit of homebirth as far as we're both concerned, much better for him and I was comfortable in my own surroundings and he could easily find everything I wanted.

Today: Cora is 11 days old this evening and doing well (was just over birth weight on day 10 which I was rather proud of as I'm BF and we struggled with latching on in the first few days). She's still feeding and sleeping well (usually 4 hours min at night, sometimes 7hrs, long may it continue!), and my stitches are starting to feel better (sensation that something's going to fall out is VERY weird, Dsis had the same though and MW had checked and said all looks ok, so I guess it's normal). This week we've even managed a trip to the garden centre (on our own), a day at Ikea and a day in town with Dm so feeling quite good smile. DH is very proud of her too, his big hairy arms look massive next to her little tiny body, makes my heart melt! Well done if you stuck with me this far, sorry it's such an epic! Hope everyone else is as lucky as me xx

alwaysanauntie Sat 26-May-12 13:09:06

Typo: Cora's 13 days old today - whoops, brain is still scrambled!

Tostaky sorry to hear you're suffering, I hear valley cushions are worthwhile - hope they gets better soon!

imissbrie Sat 26-May-12 14:23:57

Hi would someone mind adding me to the list

22.05.12 (40+5) imissbrie #1 GIRL Heidi Anna, 7lb 15

So Heidi is 4 days old today, my milk came in over night and I am in agony, sore boobs, back and shoulders. She is reasonably content but sometimes just likes to be held so I find it difficult to get her to settle to the Moses basket. We gave her her first at home bath today and she loved it. The stinky cord seems to be almost off too woohoo! Are any of you using/going to use a dummy? I'm holding off and might try and survive without one, HOWEVER when she is upset a good ole suckle on mummies pinky really sets her at ease and calms her right down, what to doooo?

alwaysanauntie Sat 26-May-12 14:54:40

imissbrie you're already on the list! But you're down as 40+4, let me know if you want to change it smile and Heidi's 4 days old - congratulations!

I know what you mean about the milk coming in, my MW recommended hot water on them (ie: have a hot shower and focus the water on boobs, does mean painful nipples when the water hits them though sad) it helps let down and lets them leak to get some relief. I found massaging the nodules (which felt quite hard) helped and I just used a muslin to soak up the expressed milk (did collect some in a cup but it was a bit of a faff).

I'm also having to sooth Cora in my arms for quite a while before she'll go down in her basket. I bought 2 dummies in case, but am hoping not to have to use them. Does mean I've spent the morning with her on my lap more than in her basket, but I guess for now I'm more than happy to do that as you don't get the early days back (and she is sleeping well enough through the night so I'm not too tired). I think you just need to find what works for you depending on your circumstances - good luck!

imissbrie Sat 26-May-12 21:31:00

Sorry, yeah baby was born +5 but no matter smile everything aches today but a shower did make me feel like a new woman, I need to watch my back while feeding. Babies cord came off in her nap so we are gonna give her another nice bath tonight as she seemed to love it earlier and we could do with the practice. So far no baby blues thankfully but DP has been so supportive and has been doing his fair share so that's gave me a little time to nap etc which is helping. Heidi is such a joy I hope you are all getting through these first few days/weeks ok.

cupcakefairy Sun 27-May-12 10:40:05

Sorry imissbrie that's my fault calculating the dates wrong.

Well I am shattered..the nights have been quite tough here as baby wants to just feed constantly, and then ds1 is up at 5.30..yaaaawn. thankfully dh has been getting up with ds1 but am worried about him going back to work. Hopefully baby will be more settled by then & not feeding every 40 mins! My milk only came in properly yesterday so I guess he's been wanting to stock up! I got v emotional yesterday cos I was literally chained to the sofa all day feeding, & feel so guilty not being able to play with ds1. He's been so good about it all though.

How is everyone doing? thinking of the ladies still waiting..honestly I know how hard it is so you have my sympathies esp in this weather.

Huge congrats to bluecrane btw, so glad all those pains did mean somethig! Sounds like you did amazingly well for a first birth! Lovely name too.

goodname Sun 27-May-12 14:01:40

Congrats auntie, sounds like a really good experience. Congrats to bluecrane and totasky too, you must be so relieved after all that waiting.
Cupcake finlay was the same with feeding at the begining, he still feeds a lot but tends to cluster the feeds together and then sleeps for quite a while too. Its very hard with 2 I find emotionally, as you feel so torn in half sometimes, hopefully when dh goes back to work he could still get up at 5.30 with ds or does he go to work too early? thats what we do here, also dh has made a big effort to keep ds1 in his room till 7 at the earliest and now even when he wakes up at 5 he goes back to sleep til at least 7. we do have 3 types of blackout material on his windows though. DS1 has sadly dropped his aft nap however which is pants. Oh and since dh went back to work I try and meet up with other people ds1 likes as often as poss so he has people to play with or get attention from.
Imissbrie I keep trying a dummy but finlay not interested, does like the pinkie though. Would like to use a dummy as think he feeds to much mostly for comfort and to get to sleep and think that is contributing to his terrible wind. He has been up for hours and hours at a time the last few nights just trying to poo and pumping. boys!
Went to the beach yesterday with friends and bought a pop up tent for the baby. Had a surprisingly good time as beaches and newborns did not seem like a great combination to me.
sorry if this is not written very well typing with one hand while feeding smile

LittleSarah Mon 28-May-12 22:50:59

Hello all

Dummies - I had dummies with my first two, really helped with the constant desire to suckle! So far Finlay isn't using one but but I'm happy to use if it helps settle him when he is a bit older, will see how it goes.

Cupcake - I know what you mean about constant feeding... Fin is now two weeks though and we are getting a little longer between. Dh went back to work today and we managed okay, just did all the basic bits and kept it fairly easy. Dh has been great at getting up with the kids and is still doing it on his own which is a great help. He usually leaves about 8ish so I can lie in a zombie type state until then, no doubt he'll be hoping for company in the mornings once more once Fin starts sleeping a little better!

alwaysauntie - Great birth story! Sounds like things went really well, home births are fab. Hope you heal up quickly.

tostaky - Another great story, and well done coping with no pain relief. Finlay likes to throw up on me fairly regularly but not too seriously...

Well as I said we are back to normal here pretty much. My mum is coming for a couple of days tomorrow to help out though which will be nice. Finlay is putting on weight quickly, he is now 6lb 7oz (*cupcake*)! Ds is still being very sweet with him, if anything it is dd who is trying my patience; eight years old and on the cheeky side, I feel I am snapping too much.

SirCharles Tue 29-May-12 08:38:49

Morning - found you at last!!
Theodore Harold arrived 1132am on Wed 23 May 2012 at St Thomas Hospital weighing 7lbs 8oz, or 3.385 kg in new money.
Totally gorgeous. Mum & dad completely head over heels.

Wrigglebum Tue 29-May-12 13:11:06

Congratulations to all, I can never remember when I last posted so who I've said well done too!

All seems to be going well here four weeks on. This week is my first without anyone around to help out and we're doing pretty well. DS is being as well behaved as a 2.10 year old can be grin and Adam is still calm. He still feeds a lot but I tend to sit on the floor to feed so I can still play cars/trains/read stories. I've even managed to sort out simple dinners and do some washing so feeling pretty positive.

Adam has had a bit of a cold so he was awake a bit more at night and throwing up a bit of mucous but it seems to be clearing. He likes the sling so I pop him in there at playgroups or if we go to the park and he has a nice nap in it.

Is anyone else a bit of a fountain?! I seem to have pretty powerful let down and I was squirting milk about two feet in the shower the other day! Adam seems to cope pretty well but he does come off when it starts spraying so if there's no muslin to hand we get soaked smile. It's much worse on my right side for some reason.

Another question- how has everyone done for stretch marks? I only got one very small one with DS but this time I have four about an inch long just below my tummy button and very dark. They are fading a bit already so I'm not worried. Also have a light linea nigra on my stomach noticeable since the birth. I think I had that last time too and it went but I can't remember when.

Russki Tue 29-May-12 13:30:36

Hi all

Joining from the late May thread, and have added my details in below. We had a gorgeous girl, Rosie, on 19th May, our first.

Born:

08.02.12 (26+6) - Gotmylittlelamb #1 GIRL Sophia Diane
21.04.12 (38+1) - Goodname #2 BOY, Finlay 7lb 12oz
22.04.12 (38+3) - LadyMaybe #2 GIRL Rosalind Eliza, 7lb 8oz
24.04.12 (39+1) - Yorky #4 GIRL Pippa (Philippa) Kate, 8lb 2oz
27.04.12 (39+2) - Mikocat #1 GIRL April, 7lb 8oz
30.04.12 (39 weeks) - Wrigglebum #2 BOY Adam Zachary, 6lb 4oz
04.05.12 (38+6) - beeboles #3 BOY Tom
05.05.12 (39+6) - oltob #2 BOY Toby, 8lb 4oz
06.05.12 (39+1) - chocolatesparkle #1 GIRL Imogen Grace
08.05.12 (40 weeks) - myweeangel #2 BOY Noah, 10lb 8oz
08.05.12 (40+6) - DialMforMummy #2 BOY
09.05.12 (39+1) - PreciousPuddleduck #1 GIRL
11.05.12 (39+2) - googietheegg #1 GIRL, 7lb 7oz
11.05.12 (39+3) - Katykuns #2 GIRL Emily Edith Harriet
12.05.12 (41+6) - Harecare #3 GIRL April Edith 9lb
12.05.12 (41+1) - saggybaps #2 BOY
12.05.12 (39+6) - bonbonpixie #1 GIRL Cameron
12.05.12 (41+2) - Mythical #1 GIRL Isabel Helen 8lb 7oz
13.05.12 (41 weeks) - purestcocoa #1 GIRL Imani 7lb 8oz
13.05.12 (39+3) - ballroompink #1 BOY Sebastian Henry James 7lbs 8oz
13.05.12 (39+6) - alwaysanauntie #1 GIRL Cora Regina
14.05.12 (39 weeks) - LittleSarah #3 BOY Finlay 5lb 14oz
15.05.12 (39+4) - Newtothisstuff #2 GIRL Jessikah 6lb 3oz
16.05.12 (41+1) - dreamingofanallotment #1 Isla Grace 8lb
18.05.12 (41+6) - Bodeccia #1 GIRL Adèle Johanna 8lb 11
19.05.12 (40 weeks) - Russki #1 GIRL Rose Frances 7lb 1

EDD:

2nd May - MidwifeWithABump #1
4th May - Ariane5 #4 - scan = boy
6th May - Tara0202 #2
8th May - SAF1610 #1?
9th May - cherrypie55 = girl
10th May - Marmite123 #1
10th May - Pickle54 #1 = boy
11th May - Cairnterrier, #2
13th May - musicalmrs, #1, surprise
13th May - Sugarx, #1, surprise
14th May - Montymum, #1
15th May - heidihole, #1, scan = boy
16th May - cupcakefairy, #2, surprise
16th May - Failsafe, #1
17th May - MandaHugNKiss #4
17th May - Sunshinela, #1
19th May - SirCharles #1, surprise
21st May - luckynumber11, #3, scan = girl, ?VBAC but would prefer ELCS
21st May - Basse, #1, scan = boy
22nd May - Knittymum, #3, girl (confirmed by 2 scans)
23th May - tostaky, #3, scan = boy
24th May - MixedClassBaby, #2
24th May - Cewafwb, #4, surprise
25th May - LimeFlower #1, surprise
26th May - GingerLemonTea #1, surprise
26th May - BebeBelge
27th May - SESthebrave #2, surprise, ELCS
28th May - Catsycat #3, girl (2 scans), ELCS
28th May - openerofjars #2
29th May - BlueCrane #1 - surprise
30th May - Langoria - surprise
30th May - Twittwoo #1
31st May - CluelessPro #1

tostaky Tue 29-May-12 18:06:38

Yay! Well done russki and sircharles!!! Hope you are enjoying the weather too smile

Dummies - I used one with Ds1, I don't think I would have been able to cope without one with his constant sucking!!!
DS2 was never interested in dummies but he does suck on the ears of a soft toys.
I have tried both so far with DS3 but he is no fool! Maybe he is a bit too young too. Although my nipples would clearly appreciate a break from constant feeding!

Stretch marks - never had any with first two pregnancy, have got one small one below belly button. Not too worried though.

Jaundice - anybody else has a baby with jaundice? He had the heel prick test done on sat and was Below the line. But despite him feeding very well and getting a bit of direct sunlight every day, he is still quite yellow and sleeps a lot.... Like he is awake for 2-3 hours a day max... The midwife is coming tomorrow so we will point it out to her.

cupcakefairy Wed 30-May-12 08:28:24

Hi ladies..v quiet in here, you'd think we all have newborns to be dealing with grin
Congrats russki..not sure that's the latest version of the list though as a few are missed off the end.. when I'm on laptop I can sort it but phone is rubbish at cut & paste..

Re stretch marks you're all so lucky to only have one or two!! I have a literal road map running from under my belly button, all red sad they're mostly from ds1 but a couple of new ones this time.. never mind, they do fade to a silvery white once tummy has gone back down.

wriggle yes to being a fountain!! grin I was the same with ds1 and its so annoying when they come off the boob & it sprays everywhere! I have to fold up a muslin inside my sleep bra at night so I don't wake up soaked <classy> if memory serves me it does calm down after a while.

Must get round to writing out my birth story but tostaky been meaning to say that you're not a wuss for screaming..I screamed like a banshee during this labour ..I mooed my way through my first labour but thus one definitely warranted screaming grin I was v v glad for my last minute thought to stick cough sweets in my hospital bag cos my throat was killing the next morning grin

How are all our pregnant ladies doing? Last couple of days of May..come on babies!! Thinking of you all x

MrsHoarder Wed 30-May-12 08:28:38

Didn't join the ante-natal thread and wouldn't have been on the May one anyway: am I welcome here?

DS was born 15/05/12 after a 3 day induction and with forceps, episiotomy and lots of stitches. He's doing very well generally (was a big baby) and breastfeeding is going well (except for the first 10 seconds after latching where I have to grit my teeth).

He does get very grumpy late afternoon/evening though, and we have real trouble getting him to go to sleep. Although I realise we shouldn't complain too much, because once he is asleep we generally only get 1-2 wakings a night (of which I usually stay awake after the second (after 5am), need to work on that "sleep when he sleeps" thing.

Tougher now DH has gone back to work, and have been getting him to nap in his moses basket more (rather than in my arms) as I need the time to use the loo etc. Also have had to occasionally leave the room he is in sad for the first time without leaving DH there.

Managed to get dressed in comfy clothes every day too: the main incentive for this is that when we hit crying time its best if I'm ready to leave the house already when I can take no more of crying in a confined space. Sadly can only currently slowly wander a few hundred meters before I need to put my feet up again, but we're making progress there.

As for stretchmarks, my belly below the bellybutton is about 50% stretchmark now its nearly flat again. They aren't fading yet either.

Newtothisstuff Wed 30-May-12 09:16:20

Ah found you grin
So many exciting baby stories
Jessikah is 15 days old today and gorgeous, she's has been so good (compared to DD1 who practically cried until she was 3) last night was a bit challenging as she's decided she doesn't want to sleep in her basket, she's been find up to now just waking every 3-4 hours for feeding, she's putting weight on so quickly as well, 7.5oz on in 4 days so she weighs 6lb10oz now I've got a feeling she's going to be a chubber haha

Littlesarah... LOL at your mil and the presents that did make me chuckle, my exmil was the same, she brought a box of dummies from a car boot sale for dd1 once I almost threw up on the spot haha

All my family live up north and they are all coming down this weekend to meet her so it's going to be busy busy and stressful
I hope they don't want me to run around after them all either, I feel absolutely fine from my section but I want to stay feeling fine and not push it !!

I'm still managing to express my milk grin I'm very proud of myself, just used formula for dd1 so this is a massive thing for me, she hasn't had formula since she was 2 days old now, my electric pump is a god send, although I do wish it wasn't as noisy I'm sure the neighbours must wonder what the hell I'm doing at 3am lol

How is everyone's little ones settling at night ?? Dd1 was a shocking sleeper although it was my fault as I held her all the time and let her sleep in my bed, I'm quite conscious of trying not to let dd2 fall into the same pattern but I figure she's only 2 weeks old it can't matter that much yet (can it???)

Russki Wed 30-May-12 10:52:48

Newtothisstuff mine has settled and unsettled nights - sometimes she sleeps through for 4 hours or so, other nights (such as a last night), she woke hourly from 5 am onwards - so barely had I put her back in her cot, and she was crying and fussing again. This morning I was sooo tired... definitely a nap scheduled for this afternoon..

And yes to the boobs spraying - it's extraordinary. I am sleeping on towels at the moment because I didn't want to wear a bra in bed, but i'm not sure that's a long-term practical solution!

And has anyone else experienced the projectile pooing? Changing the nappy and suddenly a jetstream shoots out, spraying everyone and everything in its way..?

HeidiHole Wed 30-May-12 11:59:45

Born:

08.02.12 (26+6) - Gotmylittlelamb #1 GIRL Sophia Diane
21.04.12 (38+1) - Goodname #2 BOY, Finlay 7lb 12oz
22.04.12 (38+3) - LadyMaybe #2 GIRL Rosalind Eliza, 7lb 8oz
24.04.12 (39+1) - Yorky #4 GIRL Pippa (Philippa) Kate, 8lb 2oz
27.04.12 (39+2) - Mikocat #1 GIRL April, 7lb 8oz
30.04.12 (39 weeks) - Wrigglebum #2 BOY Adam Zachary, 6lb 4oz
04.05.12 (38+6) - beeboles #3 BOY Tom
05.05.12 (39+6) - oltob #2 BOY Toby, 8lb 4oz
06.05.12 (39+1) - chocolatesparkle #1 GIRL Imogen Grace
08.05.12 (40 weeks) - myweeangel #2 BOY Noah, 10lb 8oz
08.05.12 (40+6) - DialMforMummy #2 BOY
09.05.12 (39+1) - PreciousPuddleduck #1 GIRL
11.05.12 (39+2) - googietheegg #1 GIRL, 7lb 7oz
11.05.12 (39+3) - Katykuns #2 GIRL Emily Edith Harriet
12.05.12 (41+6) - Harecare #3 GIRL April Edith 9lb
12.05.12 (41+1) - saggybaps #2 BOY
12.05.12 (39+6) - bonbonpixie #1 GIRL Cameron
12.05.12 (41+2) - Mythical #1 GIRL Isabel Helen 8lb 7oz
13.05.12 (41 weeks) - purestcocoa #1 GIRL Imani 7lb 8oz
13.05.12 (39+3) - ballroompink #1 BOY Sebastian Henry James 7lbs 8oz
13.05.12 (39+6) - alwaysanauntie #1 GIRL Cora Regina
14.05.12 (39 weeks) - LittleSarah #3 BOY Finlay 5lb 14oz
15.05.12 (39+4) - Newtothisstuff #2 GIRL Jessikah 6lb 3oz
15.05.12 - Mrshoarder - BOY
16.05.12 (41+1) - dreamingofanallotment #1 Isla Grace 8lb
18.05.12 (41+6) - Bodeccia #1 GIRL Adèle Johanna 8lb 11
19.05.12 (40 weeks) - Russki #1 GIRL Rose Frances 7lb 1
23.05.12 (41+1) - Heidihole #1 BOY James 10lb 6oz

EDD:

2nd May - MidwifeWithABump #1
4th May - Ariane5 #4 - scan = boy
6th May - Tara0202 #2
8th May - SAF1610 #1?
9th May - cherrypie55 = girl
10th May - Marmite123 #1
10th May - Pickle54 #1 = boy
11th May - Cairnterrier, #2
13th May - musicalmrs, #1, surprise
13th May - Sugarx, #1, surprise
14th May - Montymum, #1
15th May - heidihole, #1, scan = boy
16th May - cupcakefairy, #2, surprise
16th May - Failsafe, #1
17th May - MandaHugNKiss #4
17th May - Sunshinela, #1
19th May - SirCharles #1, surprise
21st May - luckynumber11, #3, scan = girl, ?VBAC but would prefer ELCS
21st May - Basse, #1, scan = boy
22nd May - Knittymum, #3, girl (confirmed by 2 scans)
23th May - tostaky, #3, scan = boy
24th May - MixedClassBaby, #2
24th May - Cewafwb, #4, surprise
25th May - LimeFlower #1, surprise
26th May - GingerLemonTea #1, surprise
26th May - BebeBelge
27th May - SESthebrave #2, surprise, ELCS
28th May - Catsycat #3, girl (2 scans), ELCS
28th May - openerofjars #2
29th May - BlueCrane #1 - surprise
30th May - Langoria - surprise
30th May - Twittwoo #1
31st May - CluelessPro #1

HeidiHole Wed 30-May-12 12:21:52

That's James a week old today. Where on earth has the time gone? It's just a blur.

I'm a bit upset because I seem unable to breastfeed. My milk never "came in" I've been nursing regularly, every 2-3 hours and also pumping and there is a dribble. Literally I can express 5ml and that's it, and he nurses and get nothing so then is STARVING.

I've had a blood test taken to check for a hormone deficiency and got a prescription for some medicine to increase supply. But we're having to supplement a lot (about 90%) with formula.

Been a bit teary about it but I suppose there are worse things!
Seems people who formula feed from the start with NO nipple stimulation still have milk come in, and heres me killing myself for a week with sore nipples and lots of nursing getting nothing. oh well.. baby is happy now will a tummy full of formula milk so its not all bad.

myweeangel Wed 30-May-12 13:17:09

Russki - Projectile pooing, yes! Knew that nappy time would be more of a challenge with my new DS compared with my 2 year old DD but o my goodness, thought it'd just be the liquids I would have to worry about! Noah seems to be quite difficult to wind and, erm, sorry for TMI but lots comes from his bottom end! Hence projectile poo I imagine. Gave DH the shock of his life the other day, I had to laugh because I've started to get accustomed to all those little mishaps, DH doesn't cope so well! No tips to offer but would love some from others - for the spraying water-sprinkler pee as well as missile poos... Ta!

Wrigglebum Wed 30-May-12 13:48:50

We had a projectile poo too- shot about two feet off the changing table, missed my iPhone by a cm and landed all over my handbag grin. Quite a few wee fountains too! Certainly a lot of gas here too- Adam seems to be jet propelled, I swear he's going to take off one of these days. Still, better out than in as they say smile, DS didn't trump or burp as much but got terrible colic. Adam just looks pained for a minute, grunts and lets rip!

Cupcake- I was a fountain last too and it did calm down but I did spray a bit right up to nine months when I stopped.

Well done for expressing newtothisstuff, I find expressing so awful I'm in awe of anyone who can. I hope things work out for you Heidihole- remember even if he just gets colostrum there's so much good stuff in there.

Cydonia Wed 30-May-12 14:07:07

Can I join please? Was just wondering where to post about baby stuff! Don't know how to add myself but Max William ( DS #1 ) born 1.41am 23.05.12 I was 39 + 2. Can't believe a week has passed already! Slightly concerned about my milk, came in a couple of days ago, boobs swelled up a bit and a bit sore/hot but not as bad as I was led to believe. Now they seem to have shrunk down again and feel softer, is that normal?! I guess from what is coming out of DS that he is getting enough and he seems content, maybe I've just been lucky? My new fascination, when not gazing adoringly at my gorgeous boy, is gazing at my tiny little ankles, sure my legs are thinner now than they were before I was pg! Unless its just the contrast after they swelled up like tree trunks....

tostaky Wed 30-May-12 19:53:15

Oh it is so nice to read about other babies, after all that waiting! smile
We haven't had projectile poo yet but quite a few fountains!
I also had the displeasure of waking up with cold sweats last night and a very sore boob. Got mastitis and the Gp has put me on antibiotics... You would think that being my third I would know how to prevent it but no...blush

Yorky Wed 30-May-12 20:51:46

Hello again, found you all.
Congratulations to all the arrivals since I was last on, good luck to those still waiting
Loving the birth stories, some beautiful names and some big babies!

Trying to remember points people have made... shooting breastmilk across the room - haven't done that yet this time although let down is randomly painful, piles blush ouch yes, had them painfully after DS1 but got away with it after DC2+3, and sad again this time but got some cream on prescription and can sit down again! Sleep - some nights better than others, she seems to sleep for about 3hrs ish between feeds so I'm woken about twice a night which isn't too bad, but she seems to get very upset before filling her nappy so sometimes we're up for a while

I'm getting used to having an extra 1 to get ready before going out and her older siblings seem to love her, no jealousy yet fortunately smile
Her umbilicus has finally healed up (was leaving bloody marks on the waistband of her nappies for ages even though it didn't seem to bother her) and her cold is clearing up too

Hi - quick update. Our little dd3 has finally arrived - at 3.38am this morning. At last! She just sneaked on to the May babies list, being born on 31st May at 40+10, and I narrowly avoided my booked induction by a matter of hours! So far, at 4.5 hours old, she is doing really well, feeding and sleeping, v.calm so far....! She is very sweet. Also my biggest baby by a long way - 8lbs 5oz. No name finalised as yet, will update when I know. Totally spaced out here from the gas and air and pethidine.

Bodeccia Thu 31-May-12 09:46:42

Morning ladies

It has been nearly two weeks since Adèle arrived, and now that things are kind of calming down a bit (!) I thought I'd post my birth story.

Not sure if you would remember, but I was very late with Adèle and was induced at 41+5 on the Thursday 17th. Here's what happened:

11am: progesterone went in (looked a bit like a shoelace). I was treated as an in patient, so stayed at the hospital all day. Went for a walk to just let the drug do its thing.
2pm: started getting contractions
5pm: started vomiting. I couldn't keep anything down at all. I thought it was a side effect of the progesterone, called a MW who said that it wasn't to do with the shoelace, some women vomit during labour. It turns out that I was one of those women. Brilliant.
11pm: Contractions getting stronger, still vomiting. Anything that went in (water/glucose tablet etc) came up. I was thinking that as I basically didn't have anything in my stomach since breakfast, I would have to think about what options were available to me pain relief wise. Baby's heartbeat being monitored.
12am: MW gave me an injection to stop the sickness. If it worked, she could give me paracetamol as a first pain relief.
1am: Injection didn't work, paracetamol came up. Waters broke (just a bit, wasn't a gush) Shoelace came out. MW told me to have a bath
2am: in the bath. I vomited in the bath too (God love my DH...!)
2.30am: out of the bath. Was getting seriously dehydrated. MW monitored baby's heart again. Her heart rate dropped. She checked me: 3cm dilated. She called the delivery suite, was worried about baby's heart rate.
3am: transferred to delivery suite. Got a drip to rehydrate me. I knew that having a drip meant no water birth, so I just had to rethink things a bit. Constant monitoring of baby's heart rate, could now start gas and air (thank GOD!). At this point I was thinking that I wouldn't have the energy to push this baby out and that I would have to have an epidural. The MW said that as I had nothing to eat since breakfast the previous morning I would be using my own energy stores and keytones (or something) to push baby out. Epidural would be appropriate here. They attached an antenna to baby's head to monitor heart better.
6am: I was responding well to being rehydrated, baby was responding well too. Avoided EMCS. Still 3cm. Was given epidural. Hurrah!
7.30am: Was going to be given oxytocin to speed up labour. Epidural wasn't working 100% and I was still sucking on the gas and air each contraction (I could feel massive cramps on my right hand side).
8am: started oxytocin. Still 3cm! Gas and air was great, it helped me sleep a bit too at this point.
11am: Asked to have the epidural examined, as it was really painful on my right hand side. Anaesthetist just re-did the whole thing. Was SO much better. Wow, I couldn't feel a thing.
12.30pm: Was re-examined again: was only 5cm - barely in established labour. Baby's heart rate was dropping outside of contraction times. The consultant came in, looked at the readings, and said: things aren't progressing quick enough, the baby is getting distressed. EMCS.
12.35pm: in theatre (quite glad the epidural was re-done at this point).
12.54pm: Adèle was born

I remember posting about people telling me horror stories about women who had been induced, and I suppose if you just look at the events as they unfolded, my birth could be classed as a "horror story", i.e. ending in EMCS. I've had people say to me "I'm sorry you had an EMCS", but I don't feel that way at all. I feel glad that my birth plan was: get through it. I didn't hang on to any hopes of a natural birth, a water birth or whatever. I tried to remain as open minded as possible in how I would give birth, and in all honesty, when they said EMCS I was relieved. The thing that set things on a downward spiral was me vomiting, and there's no way I could have prevented that. I didn't know that I would be one of those women, I had never even heard of women having that reaction!

Will post more on life post birth, hope everyone is doing well with their little bundles of joy smile

tostaky Thu 31-May-12 12:59:00

Congratulations lucky and bodeccia!!!
Bodeccia - I have vomited for all 3 of my labours... Not a lot but still needed to clutch a clean sick bowl at all time just in case...
Glad you don't resent your emcs, what matters is the baby not the "how" that is what I like to think.

We are making the most of having a baby and not 3 under 4, by eating out every daygrin that will change when my two toddlers come back from my parents on Sunday!
Then DP will take an extra week off to make up with the oldest two. We feel really guilty of not having them with us now, then again it allows us to rest properly and for me to heal. It is the calm before the tempest!!

karatekimmi Thu 31-May-12 13:18:03

I need to move over after Toby joined our family yesterday!! We had a waterbirth which went well, a butbhairy at the end when they decided they needed to get me out, but in getting up, he managed to get out thankfully!!

We came home yesterday, and although a bit frazzled, we're trying to relax and catch up with sleep!!

Can someone add me to the list please, as can't do it on the iPhone!
Karatekimmi #1 dd 25/5 born 30/5 Toby

ballroompink Thu 31-May-12 13:40:02

Sebastian also has jaundice - was assessed in hospital and it was below treatment level, but yesterday we went back to the hospital for a blood test as it's still hanging around a bit. He is feeding well and is very awake/alert so I don't have concerns about his health, and am hoping the tests will show up nothing of concern. He hated having the blood test and it took ages as I had to sit with him for about an hour, waiting for him to pee so I could attempt to catch it in a bottle.

Stretchmarks: didn't get any, although my linea nigra is still very present and looks darker now the skin isn't stretched out.

Feeding is still going well now I'm more confident. Had an episode earlier in the week where I had a very sore boob with shooting pains and was worried I was getting mastitis but I think it must have been a blocked duct as it righted itself in a couple of days and I had no other symptoms.

Sleeping - he's awake and very vocal nearly all day which I think helps a good deal towards him being good at night. He is generally having a feed around 11-11.30, one at 2-2.30 and one at 6-6.30, and he settles well in between. Pleased about this as I don't get much done during the day!

LittleSarah Fri 01-Jun-12 12:19:10

Hello all

Well while out with mum and the two dss yesterday had to listen to an old women in a cafe commenting on sling thus (to her friends, she probably didn't realise I could hear every word): 'Oh I don't like those, there was a girl down the road who fell over while wearing one and the baby got brain damage'.... lovely! (I mean did she ever carry her own children in arms?? Could have fallen over then perhaps?) Did have another lovely women saying how nice it was to see baby snuggled in close.

No stretchmarks thankfully, do have a couple over my belly button from ds1.

Feeding is alright but still really stinging on right side, thought it was improving but we seem to have regressed. Ds2 seems to have some mild oral thrush though so perhaps that has something to do with it? I'm going to pick up a prescription for him today.

Cydonia - Breasts getting softer sounds normal, do you feel a let down? When they get harder and fuller when milk is coming in? Mine is strongly tingly but I know some women don't feel it. The main thing is baby is feeding regularly.

Milk level - I haven't had milk shooting everywhere this time, not yet anyway, but I have had that before. Dd or ds coming of the breast during a feed and it shooting over onto a visitor's arm... thankfully an understanding visitor!

Congratulations to bodeccia, lucky and karatekimmi! Bodeccia - Glad you were able to go with the flow with your labour and don't feel disappointed, these things rarely go to plan!

tostaky - It must be lovely have a few days just the three of you, hopefully it won't be two shocking when the siblings arrive home! No, I'm sure it will be lovely in a manic way. We are managing okay here, ds1 is really a sweetheart and ds2 is very easy going too (so far), probably up three times in the night feeding which would be fine if only I could get over this difficult latch on the right!

Got a bit of a manic afternoon ahead as have to collect prescription then get back for dd finishing school, then we have to bake special biscuits for her to take to her grandma's house on the west coast this weekend. There is some kid's baking competition at a Jubilee party they are going to and there won't be time to bake when she is there. So I then have to take all three out in the car to meet dd's dad so he can take her up.... then will collect Indian takeaway for me and dh on the way home! Quiet weekend though. Just got a free Jubilee lunch at village hall on Sunday.

Hope everyone is looking forward to a lovely weekend.

Hi again, an update from me as we have settled on a name for our dd - she is Tessa Elisabeth, born 31/5, 8lbs 5oz. I'm on my phone so can't update the stats list. If anyone else can change my details for me, thank you. If not, I will update next time I'm on a proper computer.
We have had a wonderful first 24 hours with Tessa - she is so calm and lovely, sleeping, feeding well... Very different experience from DD's 1&2 in the beginning, although I realise she may well just be in a "recovery" phase from the shock of birth at the moment!

tara0202 Sat 02-Jun-12 01:15:47

Hi everyone. Just noticed the post natal thread! My baby boy Cameron was born on 10th may.

He's very gorgeous :-)

Everything is going well, I'm finding it mainly a lot easier second time round apart from I think I'm more tired this time as already have a nearly 3 year old.

Breast feeding definitely bit easier this time although the sheer amount of it is hard work! Lansinoh is a god send!

Have had a bit of a traumatic few days as we noticed a spot on cam's neck. Showed hv who sent us to gp who sent us to children's a and e who admitted us. Turns out it was an abscess and had to be operated on under general anaesthetic yesterday :-( all ok now though and he was discharged today. Phew.

cupcakefairy Sat 02-Jun-12 13:27:59

Proper list update..hope I haven't got too much wrong, please feel free to edit! smile Back for a proper post a bit later...ds is singing for his supper, again!! grin

Born:

08.02.12 (26+6) - Gotmylittlelamb #1 GIRL Sophia Diane
21.04.12 (38+1) - Goodname #2 BOY, Finlay 7lb 12oz
22.04.12 (38+3) - LadyMaybe #2 GIRL Rosalind Eliza, 7lb 8oz
24.04.12 (39+1) - Yorky #4 GIRL Pippa (Philippa) Kate, 8lb 2oz
27.04.12 (39+2) - Mikocat #1 GIRL April, 7lb 8oz
30.04.12 (39 weeks) - Wrigglebum #2 BOY Adam Zachary, 6lb 4oz
04.05.12 (38+6) - beeboles #3 BOY Tom
05.05.12 (39+6) - oltob #2 BOY Toby, 8lb 4oz
06.05.12 (39+1) - chocolatesparkle #1 GIRL Imogen Grace
08.05.12 (40 weeks) - myweeangel #2 BOY Noah, 10lb 8oz
08.05.12 (40+6) - DialMforMummy #2 BOY
09.05.12 (39+1) - PreciousPuddleduck #1 GIRL
10.05.12 (40+4) - tara0202 #2 BOY Cameron
11.05.12 (39+2) - googietheegg #1 GIRL, 7lb 7oz
11.05.12 (39+3) - Katykuns #2 GIRL Emily Edith Harriet
12.05.12 (41+6) - Harecare #3 GIRL April Edith 9lb
12.05.12 (41+1) - saggybaps #2 BOY
12.05.12 (39+6) - bonbonpixie #1 GIRL Cameron
12.05.12 (41+2) - Mythical #1 GIRL Isabel Helen 8lb 7oz
13.05.12 (41 weeks) - purestcocoa #1 GIRL Imani 7lb 8oz
13.05.12 (39+3) - ballroompink #1 BOY Sebastian Henry James 7lbs 8oz
13.05.12 (39+6) - alwaysanauntie #1 GIRL Cora Regina
14.05.12 (39 weeks) - LittleSarah #3 BOY Finlay 5lb 14oz
15.05.12 - MrsHoarder #1 BOY
15.05.12 (39+4) - Newtothisstuff #2 GIRL Jessikah 6lb 3oz
16.05.12 (41+1) - dreamingofanallotment #1 GIRL Isla Grace 8lb
17.05.12 (39 weeks) - Cewafwb #4 GIRL Savannah Darcy Ailsa
18.05.12 (41+6) - Bodeccia #1 GIRL Adèle Johanna 8lb 11
19.05.12 (40 weeks) - Russki #1 GIRL Rose Frances 7lb 1oz
21.05.12 (39 weeks) - Catsycat #3 GIRL Zuleika Seren 9lbs 1oz
22.05.12 (40+5) - imissbrie #1 GIRL Heidi Anna 7lbs 15oz
22.05.12 (40+6) - cupcakefairy #2 BOY Sebastian John 10lbs
23.05.12 (40+4) - SirCharles #1 BOY Theodore Harold 7lbs 8oz
23.05.12 (39+6) - mixedclassbaby #2 GIRL Rosie Eris
23.05.12 (41+1) - Heidihole #1 BOY James 10lb 6oz
23.05.12 (39+2) - Cydonia #1 BOY Max William
24.05.12 (40+1) - tostaky #3 BOY Areski 9lbs 7oz
26.05.12 (39+4) - BlueCrane #1 BOY Maxwell 6lbs 9oz
30.05.12 (40+5) - Karatekimmi #1 BOY Toby
31.05.12 (40+10) - luckynumber11 #3 GIRL Tessa Elizabeth 8lbs 5oz

EDD:

2nd May - MidwifeWithABump #1
4th May - Ariane5 #4 - scan = boy
8th May - SAF1610 #1?
9th May - cherrypie55 = girl
10th May - Marmite123 #1
10th May - Pickle54 #1 = boy
11th May - Cairnterrier, #2
13th May - musicalmrs, #1, surprise
13th May - Sugarx, #1, surprise
14th May - Montymum, #1
16th May - Failsafe, #1
17th May - MandaHugNKiss #4
17th May - Sunshinela, #1
21st May - Basse, #1, scan = boy
22nd May - Knittymum, #3, girl (confirmed by 2 scans)
25th May - LimeFlower #1, surprise
26th May - GingerLemonTea #1, surprise
26th May - BebeBelge
27th May - SESthebrave #2, surprise, ELCS
28th May - openerofjars #2
30th May - Langoria - surprise
30th May - Twittwoo #1
31st May - CluelessPro #1

Thanks cupcake!

cupcakefairy Sat 02-Jun-12 16:09:44

No probs smile I'm a bit of a Monica about details grin
Btw lucky Tessa is a gorgeous name, very good choice! Glad she's been a good girl so far!

Welcome to all those who weren't on the an thread for whatever reason..look forward to getting to know you smile

littlesarah ridiculous about the sling comments! You're right it's just as dangerous carrying a baby in arms. I always got lovely comments about the close sling with ds1.. haven't put ds2 in it yet.

How are our still pregnant ladies? ses and limeflower? And all the others.. thinking of you all. Lovely jubilee weekend babies..you'll have to name them Elizabeth or Philip ;)

My little Seb is doing well..but he does seem to have a slight problem with wind. It's really hard to get him to burp after a feed..ds1 used to as soon as you lifted him but I rarely get one out of Seb then later in the evening he seems to be crying in pain sad any tips for getting those burps up?

cupcakefairy Sat 02-Jun-12 16:10:24

Also I really must write birth story..as soon as I get more than 10 mins at the laptop I will!

Ladybee Sat 02-Jun-12 16:38:55

Hi, found the postnatal thread! For any who don't know/recognise me, I'm the ladymaybe of the list, changed back to original name now that DD is here (she's 6 weeks today). I post from NZ so times are a bit out (12 hrs ahead) - and mostly on a phone while feeding. Looking forward to catching up with everyone and the new babies grin

iowmum88 Sat 02-Jun-12 16:54:58

Hi can I join please and add me 2 the list (on phone) had theo James on 31 may 2nd DS weighed 6lb 8oz.
Haven't had a chance to read all the post yet but will try catch up!! Have had about 45 mins sleep since he was born very mucusy and full of wind poor lil guy struggles to get up!
Hope everyone well and enjoying it all! And good luck to the rest who haven't popped yet!!

tostaky Sat 02-Jun-12 18:05:58

Thanks for updating cupcake!
I'm on my phone so cannot do it...

Congratulations to all new mums and welcome to the new babies! I can't believe some are already a month old or 6 weeks old!!!
Regarding burps, a midwife showed me this with DS1 and it is great. I'll try to explain...
You sit baby on your lap, obelising second last finger under his armpit, and your thumb below the other armpit. Your palm should face his face. Then with your other hand you stroke his back. It should make baby to straighten up and burp easily. Not sure if it is very clear...
Much easier for me than burping him on my shoulder....

Ladybee Mon 04-Jun-12 06:29:20

That method works well for us too but I have a few more tips:

- don't be in too much of a hurry to sit your baby up, let them lay horizontal for a bit, I think it helps the air bubbles to 'group together' before being released. DD usually starts fidgeting a bit after lying there in a milk stupor, that's when I sit her up and start method 1 (as above), if that doesn't work...

2) try baby tummy down across lap. Not for too long - baby will make it clear when to stop this.

3) if you bring baby up to shoulder try holding a bit higher and the taps a bit firmer, my DH was better at winding than me til I figured out he was being less timid with dd than I was (obviously don't go overboard with this one!)

Ok, so you know how the midwives start talking contraception almost immediately, are any of you already thiinking about ttc the next? I think I must be loopy because I'm already broody and I have a gorgeous newborn on my chest as I type hmm. Is it possible to be broody for the pregnancy? I have to make a decision about getting an iud fitted this week at my 6 week appt, and I'm so tempted to just not, use breastfeeding for 6 months and then see about deciding then. Crazy ? Not so crazy? What are you others going to do?

iowmum88 Mon 04-Jun-12 19:00:42

Hi all hope your all enjoying your little bundles of joy. My little Theo now 4 days old and love him to bits!
Few things I was wondering really and could use a little advice.
1) breastfeeding is killing me! My nipples are so sore it has had me in tears when he latches on the 1st few sucks are excruciatingly painful that eases but is still painful. Midwife says that because I'm fair skinned and don't have much pigment in my nipples that I'm more prone to soreness. Is anyone else suffering too or found anything that helps? I have been using lansinoh so nipples aren't cracked just incredibly sore!
2) DS1 really acting up and I mean big time! Hes 2 years and 9 months. We tried to prepare him, got him a book called I'm a big brother and he loves it. We sit and play with him still 1 on 1 and pay him attention all the time, try and get him involved as he likes to help me out and he's fine with that I know it's going to take some time for him to come round but again just wondering if anyone else is experiencing this and if you have any advice!!
Getting us both down a little bit when it's suppose to be such a happy time!! sad

cupcakefairy Mon 04-Jun-12 19:51:30

Hi ladies,
ladybee fab tips thanks so much, been leaving ds lying down a bit before winding & then combined with tostaky's method he's burped beautifully every time today grin hopefully not so much crying tonight!

iowmum sympathies on sore boobs! I was practically in tears too esp when ds1 clambers into our bed in morning and whacks my poor boobs! I found days 3-5 really really difficult cos baby was suckling constantly to bring the milk in properly..absolute agony but now he's 2 weeks & we're just in the comfortable feeding territory now so hang in there! It is a case of grit your teeth while they latch. As long as baby is positioned right & you're not getting cracks it will pass soon! (and yes use lansinoh religiously!)
Can't help much re ds.. our older ds turns 2 tomorrow & has definitely been cheekier & more defiant since baby's arrival, I too have been feeling quite sad that I'm not 'enjoying' this happy time as much as I should be cos am stressed & tired..but massive well done on still playing with him 1 on 1 that really will make a difference. It's such early days don't beat yourself up you sound like you're doing amazingly.

Right I am meant to be icing ds1's cake but seem to have a baby attached to my boob..I fear it may be a late night!!

Wrigglebum Tue 05-Jun-12 07:47:37

Iowmum- my DS is the same age and we've had a bit of bad behaviour and some regression (potty accidents and baby talk) but mostly very good. I think part of the bad behaviour is perception- I know when I'm tired I cope less well, snap at DS and then he gets grumpy too! Also, try and get him outside to run off some energy, with a new baby you're more likely to be indoors a bit more and toddlers get cabin fever. Get him out to the park, or if it's raining we like to put on our wellies and go puddle splashing. Try and keep his routine of whatever activities you do (playgroups etc) so he still has lots of familiar things. I'm finding the sling a lifesaver as Adam is happy and sleeps well in it, and then I can play with DS at the park/playgroup and get things done in the house a bit. Half term is going to be a killer as all our groups are off and it's forecast to rain all week.

Also lots of cuddles and reassurance. Let some bad behaviour slide but not too much- you need to keep the boundaries in place. It will get better I hope smile. We're five weeks in and DS adores his baby brother, he gives him so many cuddles (even though we do have to remind him to not smother Adam).

Hopefully the sore nipples will pass, five weeks on mine survive a fair bit of assault. I found breast shells kept tight clothes off them and helped for a bit, mine got pretty sore at first due to the tongue tie but recovered well. I've managed to avoid cracks in them thankfully both times and only had to use the lansinoh for a few days each time- I'm finding it more useful for my poor chapped hands now, all that hand washing is a killer!

LittleSarah Tue 05-Jun-12 21:45:14

Iowmum - I am with you on sore nipples and sadly mine have yet to improve sad and Fin is three weeks old. Although it is mainly the right that is the problem. Funny your midwife saying that about being pale, I am pretty pale! I think with ds it hurt for a month to six weeks though so I'm hoping it will start to improve soon, often it is just time I think. Horrible though!

Ladybee - As this is number three I really I think this it for us sad. If we were to have a fourth though I would wait at least a year if not two, just personally quite happy with the three for the moment! I think I'll ask doctor for copper coil as I am really hoping to avoid hormonal contraception, I do worry about the very heavy periods it is supposed to bring but then mine have always been pretty heavy anyway.

cupcake - Icing a cake? When is ds1's birthday?? My ds1 is three tomorrow but haven't got much planned until the weekend, do have a cake in the oven now though!

Things are good here generally. Ds2 is usually good but still waking very frequently, think it was 1.20, 2.30 and 5.15 last night, then 7...? I know that is not that unusual for very wee ones but I am interested to hear how everyone else is doing? He is a right little suckler!

Mil visiting tomorrow, so can't be bothered but hopefully she might help out a little!

cupcakefairy Tue 05-Jun-12 22:21:26

sarah my ds1 turned 2 today, he was such a good boy all day & Seb was a dream too sleeping loads so I could properly join in the festivities! Happy birthday to your ds for tomorrow smile
Seb wakes about every 3 hours at night but sometimes takes over an hour to get back down..yawn. Am so looking forward to longer stretches of sleep!

ladybee forgot to respond re your contraception question.. dh & I have always used natural family planning, so charting cycles in order to avoid or achieve pregnancy.. with ds1 I didn't ovulate for 9 months while breastfeeding so hoping for same this time..though to be honest it'll prob be a while before any bedroom antics here anyway!! blush

Hope all get some good sleep tonight..

tostaky Wed 06-Jun-12 10:17:29

Hi ladies, nice to catch up with you as I don't have any friends with newborns!!!
Been busy all weekend having friends over/going to neighbours etc..
My two DSs came back on Sunday and so far they are just not interested in the baby!!
I make sure that as soon as he is asleep, I give them lots of cuddles and play with them. Honestly, I'm not sure how I am going to cope next week when DP will go back to work... I've arranged a playdate with a friends and her two tots do that should help, but DP is doing so many things, I will just have to try to get through the day, feed them and keep them safe...!!
DS3 still has jaundice and has awful colic and reflux... He doesn't sleep more than one hour at a time sad
I tried to wedge a blanket under his mose basquet last night but no changes. He has to be in the sling at all time otherwise he screams, screams, screams... I'm not worried for my sanity, I'm worried about him because he seems to be such in pain... My doula recommended me fennel tea and cranial osteopathy... I'm def given the tea a try but I'm not too sure about cranial ostheo... Have you tried??

tostaky Wed 06-Jun-12 10:17:55

And happy birthday to all your DSs!!! grin

LittleSarah Wed 06-Jun-12 10:23:32

Hi tostaky

Poor ds3!! I've never used cranial osteopathy but I have heard many good things!

Wrigglebum Wed 06-Jun-12 12:21:36

We did cranial osteopathy with DS1 who was a refluxy, colicky baby. It did seem to calm him a bit, it was a difficult birth and I think his head got a bit squashed so maybe things were a bit out of place. It seemed to help with the colic but not so much with the puking. We could never get him to take infant gaviscon either so we just carried a lot of spare clothes and muslins around smile. I did eventually give up dairy and that helped a bit (though I know lots of people are sceptical about it I did notice a difference). The only thing that really helped was weaning, on the doctor's and hv's advice we started on baby rice at four months and that helped to settle his tummy. We stuck with very small amounts of that plus fruit and veg until 6 months.

As well as propping up the bed we were told by the midwife to put DS1 on his side to sleep, it makes it easier for them to draw their legs up so they can release wind. If the bottom arm is out they shouldn't roll forward, and don't put anything behind their back so they can roll onto their back if needed.

I had a copper coil before ds1 and between children, I was really pleased with it. Having it inserted before having a baby was horrible but when I had one put in 10 weeks post partum I barely noticed it! I did get very slightly heavier periods but they didn't seem more painful. I'm going to try a mirena this time, I think I should be ok with the low levels of hormones in it as I was ok on the injection and I love the idea of potentially no periods smile. I think we're done at two but my hormones are telling me I want another. Might go and read our antenatal thread to remind me how much I hate pregnancy grin.

goodname Wed 06-Jun-12 19:12:42

Hi everyone, I am feeling a bit miserable today, I have had a couple of weeks of DH being away at work more than usual, last week he was on a course and we all stayed at his parents house as it was closer. While it was nice having granny on hand its also v stressfull packing and unpacking for us all and staying in PIL house which is the tidiest house ever. So am feeling a bit wrecked. Ds2s sleep is getting worse rather than better and I do not know why. He is also getting really hard to get to sleep esp when ds1 is making a noise which is most of the time. DS1s behaviour has also gone downhill, he doesnt want to help, and is constantly refusing to do things and fighting me at every turn, I have resorted to bribing him with cake so often he is now getting fussy about what type of cake he wants! I know I need to take a more proactive approach to discipline but I am too tired to be consistent. Just imagining life stretching ahead like this and not feeling exactly delighted at the thought. I am embaressed to say this but I am also finding it really hard to bond with ds2 compared with ds1 which was immediate and so strong. I literally could not bear to put him down wheras this time I long for someone to take him away from me sometimes! Has anyone else had this or am I an evil mother? I feel so guilty.

On the plus side, I got a new sling (what type were you using when you got the nasty comment littlesarah) which is great. Tried a close carrier and a tomy one last pregnancy and could not get on with them, Got an ergo this time and it is worth the rather steep price. Easy to put on by myself, feels comfy and secure andbaby falls asleep in it (sometimes). If only the weather was good enough for walking around!
burping hints I pat babys back while he is feeding as well as after and sometimes a burp comes up on its own while feeding. I think I have the two windiest children in the world though or is it just a boy thing?
I LOVE cranial oesteopathy but I do have a friend who does this for a job I have it on tap. It works very well for wind, remember ds1 sitting there letting out so much wind with a blissful expresion on his face. I think you probably need to view it as something which needs done regularly as they grow though rather than a one off fix. Slightly off subject, I think it was cranial oeseopathy which put me in labour as well. Really could do with getting ds2 a treatment just now but my friends dad has just died so he has not been working recently.
Oh the monster awakens, must dash. Hope everyones doing better than me

Wrigglebum Wed 06-Jun-12 19:36:29

Oh goodname, big hugs for you. It's really hard with two isn't it? How bitterly I laugh when I hear 'sleep when the baby sleeps'! Ironically ds1 never slept in the day unless walked or rocked at the start so I couldn't sleep then, ds2 will drift off and sleep happily on his own but I have s demanding toddler now! By the time DS1 is in bed ds2 begins his marathon evening feed!

How old is ds1? Can you get someone to take him out to run off steam so you get to bond with ds2? Everything seems so much harder when you're tired but it will pass. I'm finding co-sleeping with ds2 a life saver- means I get that bit more sleep so I can cope more in the day. I doze off mid feed and wake up for the next one with my boob still out!

I really fancy an ergo, I love the close sling now but I can see it being difficult as they get heavier. Ds1 never really liked the sling that much but if ds2 remains as happy in it I'll get an ergo as he gets bigger. I've seen they do a rain cover for it which would be great here in the rainy south west. Plus useful that you can get bags and pouches that attach as bags are a bit of a pain with the close sling.

Hi everyone, I'm now 6 days in with a newborn and the tiredness is building up. I can cope quite well with a few days of poor sleep as I'm so used to it. But I haven't had a proper sleep since the exhaustion of labour, it's really catching up on me. And Tessa is really not that bad a sleeper so far compared to my others. However, whereas she was totally chilled out for the first 4 days, she is now getting more lively and unsettled. This evening we had our first crying, colicky evening. I'm sure she had trapped wind which I am useless at getting up. And so many dirty nappies - feels like she's pooing every hour - her poor skin and she needs changing all the time. I guess it's because of all the wind inside her!
tostaky - just wanted to say I sympathise with what you are going through with he reflux. Sounds just like how dd2 was, we never got her to sleep for more than an hour at a time..(I won't tell you how long that went on for!) However, we did try cranial osteopathy, out of desperation to try anything. I'm not sure it really made much difference but it didn't do any harm and dd2 was quite calm when the treatments were being done. I think the most effective thing was getting the baby stuff on prescription that you add to their milk to thicken it up and try to keep more milk down. It was better than all the over the counter remedies anyway. But it was just very hard to deal with, for dd2 and us.
wrigglebum - I'm also co-sleeping with dd3 as like you I find I can get slightly more sleep that way. I didn't do it with the other two and do worry whether it's bad that I'm doing it, but im really bad at getting back to sleep if i'm disturbed during the night, and this way I am managing to get back to sleep ok most of the time.
Also - I'm already worried how I will manage when dh goes back to work. He does so many other jobs and covers most of dd1 and 2's needs while I'm taken up with Tessa, so I just can't see how I will manage all 3 of them and their needs / demands and housework, once on my own!

karatekimmi Wed 06-Jun-12 22:27:21

Well, Toby and I had to go back into hospital because he lost a bit too much weight and he wasn't eating properly, so we had some support with feeding. He's doing loads better and has put on weight now, so We're very relieved.

With regards to contraception, I have no idea what we'll do buy currently abstenence!!(sp)

Oh yes - contraception - which I don't need right now! I did have a copper coil for a while, but I really had loads of bleeding with it. ( I am a bit of a "bleeder" anyway, long perids etc, so it doesn't mean you'd have the same thing). But I didn't keep mine for long as I hardly had any days when I wasn't bleeding!
This time dh has a doctors appt next week, and one of the things he will be discussing is getting the snip. I really don't think we could manage more than 3!

tostaky Wed 06-Jun-12 23:58:34

After 3 hours of solid crying tonight, I will give anything a try!!! I just don't understand how manipulating the skull can have some impact on wind?? And reflux? Must google and educate myself!

I'd love to have an ergo... I did bid on a few on eBay with no success. I have a stretchy wrap though that DS3 seems to like, a baby Bjorne and a Mei tai and a ring sling!!! I def need to eBay a couple before I can consider an ergo!
I also got a angry comment with DS3 in my sling. A lady at the checkout in the shop said to me "but can he breathe properly in that?" well... Of course!! What do u think?!!

I'm with you on the challenging behaviour of older children... DP just can't wait to get back to work! grin I use the naughty step as much as I can but sometimes it us not easy with DS3 screaming in agony...

Goodname - yes it is very hard with two kids, but you will soon get into a routine and things will improve smile how old is your DS1?

Must go to sleep while DS3 is happily sleeping in his inclined mode basquet! Also considering buying an ambi baby hammock on eBay... Apparently it is very good with reflux and colic. Anyone have one?

SirCharles Thu 07-Jun-12 04:57:06

How glamorous - pumping in the dark whilst DH & LO snooze nearby!!! Theodore lost 6% of his birth weight but had not regained any weight between day 5 & 11 so topping him up with expressed milk. Unfortunately I am no good at expressing sad so not doing too well.
Saw an LC who identified a posterior TT but as it is not meant to be interfering with feeding there is no point snipping. However she did identify thrush in both of us & recommended treatment which the walk in gp prescribed. Amazing. First time feeding has been relatively pain free - yippee! grin £120 well spent!!'
She also weighed him before & after a feed. & observed the feed. Basically he is not getting enough milk from me although he is doing everything right. Verdict - not enough milk....... sadsadsadsadsad[
So she recommended more pumping & domperidone medication (sounds like Dom perignon which is far more glamorous!!). She also observed me expressing & gave me some practical tips.
Getting more out already!!!!
Day 15 reweigh with MW - wish us luck!!wink

tostaky Thu 07-Jun-12 08:09:47

Good luck with pumping! It is not my favourite activity either... Try fennel tea, it is meant to help with milk production.

Contraception? What for? There's no way that once DP is back at work that I have any energy left for the bedroom!! More seriously I did have a copper cool fitted but I had it removed the very next day because I could "feel" it inside me. Also I spent half a day completely zonked out after the fitting... Not sure why... Since then we calculated... And got my dates wrong once, hence DS3!! (we wanted a 3rd but not that quickly!)
Not too sure what to use... I always forget to take the pill, I don't want the injection etc... DP will never agree to the snip... Maybe I'm doomed to have 13 children'. Lol grin

Ladybee Thu 07-Jun-12 10:52:39

Sooo, went to my six week postnatal appt - it was at hospital with the high-risk team as a final follow-up before discharge back to GP.
Good news, no diabetes! I had to have another glucose tolerance test to check that the gestational diabetes hadn't continued on after pregnancy. Did that in the weekend and the results were in today, all fine, thank goodness! (it's a good thing, as I've not be avoiding pizza or cake so would have been in a bit of trouble if it had been high!, oops)

Also saw the OB, who was all set to fit me with an IUD but I spoke to her about the fact that we weren't totally sure whether we'd be trying for another and she basically said that I shouldn't have it, especially as if we did go for no.3, it would probably be quite soon (BFing permitting). So I'm going to be relying on the BFing stopping me ovulating for a while and then will see what happens. I charted for TTC, and am fairly confident about that but not sure about relying on it for avoiding pregnancy. But at the moment it doesn't feel like another pregnancy would be a disaster so perhaps reliability isn't an issue.

Yesterday I had another appointment at the Family centre, with a lactation consultant to discuss progress with our dodgy right-side latch. I think things are improving...but DD hadn't put any weight on this week, which was a bit concerning. But we did a test weigh (weighing before and after a feed) and she's getting about 120mL if I give her both sides, swapping a bit earlier than I had been. So we think I had been waiting too long on one side and then she was getting tired having to work so hard to feel satisified she'd fall asleep and I thought she was done. This week's lesson for me: She's got more efficient, so don't expect it to take so long, and try to give both sides.

Also, even though I was resistant to using the rugby hold, it has been more successful on that difficult side, even just to start off with. It seems to let more of the breast fall into DD's mouth so she latches better and remembers what she needs to do. After she's done one 'session' like that I can swap her to a cradle hold and she's got it better.

I hear all you others with two (or more!), I am struggling with my DS (4) as well and I feel v guilty about it. I just don't have the patience to deal with his constant chatter, I need quiet and headspace, especially when i'm tired, and when I'm trying to get his lunch or get him dressed or into bed I just want to get it done efficiently as quite likely DD is about to start crying or fussing and if he's chatting away he's not doing the things he needs to and I get more and more stressed. He's trying really hard to 'be good' which just makes me feel even more guilty, but I'm persisting with the 'macaroni jar' which means I try to praise and reward when he does things first time, without me having to ask over and over and any other good behaviour that I spot. I've also explained to him about me needing some peace and quiet and I think he gets it. It's hard though, I feel bad that our relationship has changed and I don't have so much time for him now. DD is not too bad but seems to get fussy after most feeds so that means I'm holding her to feed, then can put her down for a bit, then have to pick her up to calm her then she gets tired so I'm putting her down to sleep and then am rushing around trying to get the washing on, out, in, lunch/dinner done, or get bags packed and things into car to get out to something. None of which leaves much time to just sit and 'be' with DS by himself. Hopefully, when DD is a bit older and is happier to be on the floor or occupied with a baby gym, then this will improve.

tostaky sorry to hear about the reflux, that's tough going. I think DD has a bit of a tendency to it, but not serious issues. A friend's son had it and it got better at 6 months with the introduction of solids- but apart from that making sure he's sleeping at an angle of 30 degrees apparently helped, as well as various meds. By all means, try cranial osteopathy, tea, etc. but I wouldn't hesitate to go the GP and ask for medical treatment too - it's not nice for anyone to be suffering reflux and it's effects on sleep, not for the baby or the parents!

goodname definitely not an evil mother! It's different the second time around. I'm finding my bonding with DD different to DS. In some ways it's better this time because I'm not so anxious, I feel I can relax and enjoy her more. But other times it just feels like I'm juggling them both and not doing very well for either, which is a very uncomfortable feeling and not easy to live with. Still, at least you know from experience that no situation lasts forever...remember the mantra: This, Too, Shall Pass

I have an Ergo too...it's good, although I suspect I haven't quite got mine set up properly as I got it from our ebay equivalent and put it straight on, haven't yet watched the DVD (hmm, maybe tomorrow?) I looked long and hard at a Manduca as well, which is similar but doesn't need an insert for newborns. Only went with the Ergo because I spotted one at a bit of a bargain buy now and didn't want to wait.

sircharles sorry to hear about the supply issues but you'll get there I'm sure, good luck with the pumping. I've done it all of three times so far, whereas I did it regularly with DS. I just can't bring myself to do it this time but really should if I want to have any time to myself at all in the near future.

Tomorrow is DD's first lot of immunisations and DS's last. I suspect we will then be going out for cake as a celebration/recuperation from what is bound to be a fairly traumatic appointment. Wibble.

Wrigglebum Thu 07-Jun-12 14:53:06

Just a thought- those of you struggling with feeding should take a look at the breast and bottle feeding section on here. There are some really helpful and knowledgable people on there and no posts seem to go unanswered. Sir Charles- I expect the advice you'd receive on there would be to try and get into bed with your baby for a nice long session of skin to skin. Maybe some switch nursing too (offering more than two sides). Maybe ask your LC or call one of the Breastfeeding helplines about it?

Got a nasty cold at the moment so feeling a bit sorry for myself. Have just plonked DS in front of a DVD as I'm too tired to do anything else.

LittleSarah Thu 07-Jun-12 17:52:17

Hello all

cupcake - How do you do the natural family planning method, I am intrigued but then I seem to fall pregnant very easily so it might not be a sensible idea for me! Sounds like the copper coil is at least worth a shot...

goodname - I really like the look of the ergo, I have a moby wrap. It is really good but a faff getting on and off and I can see that come 6 months or so it really won't be practical. I have wish listed ergo on amazon and I think I will get in the autumn. I didn't use the sling so much later on with the other two but I'd like to. Don't feel bad about the bonding, I don't think it is at all unusual.

Sorry to hear about sleep and behaviour issues, everything is so up and down when a new baby comes along isn't it? My ds1 is being good but dealing with him and dd when Finlay is awake and wanting held all the time is difficult. Also he is sleeping oddly, recently feeding about 1am and 2am but then sleeping til 6... last two nights he threw up on me around the 1am one, urgh.

luckynumber11 - Tis certainly challenging without dh around but we are adapting. I have just accepted that things will be more chaotic on the domestic side until everything settles down. I do find it hard though, the other day I was looking around the house and remembering how much tidier it was and I actually cried a little! And of course I feel the children are eating too many pizzas and fish fingers and so on, just remind myself it isn't for ever! You'll be fine in time.

kimmi - So glad to hear feeding is improving, that must have been really worrying for you!

tostaky - Can he breathe!!? For goodness sake! I realise people will have mad/ignorant/generally infuriating opinions but must they share them...?

Got all the children today on my own until after bedtime. So far it is going okay, older two are eating their pizza and chips blush and Finlay looks to be waking up after a good long nap. If all goes to plan in an hour and a half elder two will be in bed, living room and kitchen will be respectable and Finn and I will be settling into some mindless TV watching... wish me luck!

[Someone wants fed...]

cupcakefairy Thu 07-Jun-12 19:04:10

goodname I'm glad you said that about bonding cos I've been feeling guilty about it too.. I'm not enjoying Seb yet as much as I did ds1, and don't think I've bonded as well yet.. with ds1 I fell in love with him on our first night in the hospital when he stared up at me in bed.. with Seb I'm finding it's happening a lot more gradually, now he's having more awake time I'm a lot more interested! Can't wait til he starts smiling & chatting.

tostaky my dh goes back to work on Monday I'm slightly bricking it! He's been doing everything for ds1 while he's been off so no idea how I'll cope! Think Seb will just have to be left waiting a lot! Sorry you're suffering with the reflux.. a friend had prescribed thickened formula for her refluxy baby but I think you're breastfeeding?

sarah we use something called sympto-thermal method which involves taking my temp every day & observing cervical mucus to work out fertile times. I find it a million times preferable to hormonal methods or other devices but it's a v personal choice.
Btw I also feel v sad about the state of our house! It's quite small & is just soo untidy & full of stuff (esp since ds1's birthday!) Dh & I are mega tidy types so find it quite stressful but just have to try to remember it won't be forever! We're hoping to move to a bigger place within a yr too..

sircharles I heard fenugreek is supposed to help increase milk supply? Might be worth a try. I have the opposite problem..my boobs are rock hard & leaking within 1 hour of feeding! So unpleasant..hoping it'll settle down soon..

ladybee great news about the diabetes smile

Right I hear my little goose waking up (he honks exactly like a goose when waking!) Catch up with u all soon x

tostaky Thu 07-Jun-12 21:09:45

Wriggle - excellent news about your diabetes!!
Bonding - I had the same issue with DS2 and I can assure you that I love him as much as DS1 now! Even if I don't "get" him as much as ds1, but I think that's also down to his personality...

I took baby to the Gp this morning because he looked si much in pain..sad Gp said def reflux and gave me some gaviscon. He has had two doses already and no difference... sad
Gp said to come back on Monday if no improvements and she'll refer us to paed clinic at hospital for tests. I'm a bit down about this... For some reasons I was expecting an easy baby like ds2... I was soo happy to have a baby... Still am, but a lot more challenging than I thought...

Does anyone know when babies are supposed to start smiling....roughly?
I keep wondering when I see a smile on his face if it is the real thing yet?

cupcakefairy Fri 08-Jun-12 15:01:07

tostaky good to know it took you longer to bond with ds2.. I think just cos we know ds1 so well & just adore him, it's hard to bond instantly with the baby when we don't know his personality etc yet..

So sorry the gaviscon hasn't made much difference yet. Can totally understand u feeling down about potentially going to paed clinic, I'd be the same, but it could just be a short challenging time that finds a way to make things much easier for him & you.. I hope so anyway.
We had about 3 straight hours of pained crying last night it is just horrible when u can't relieve their pain sad Seb eventually settled at 11.30pm..we've started letting him sleep on his tummy now as he settles so much easier like that. I know it's against 'the rules' though so I'm constantly waking to check he's ok blush

cupcakefairy Fri 08-Jun-12 15:02:38

Oh & re smiling think it's officially around 6 weeks but can be anytime from about 3 weeks. We get the dozy milk smiles at the mo but not proper ones yet.

Bodeccia Fri 08-Jun-12 16:27:31

Hello ladies

I'm sorry to hear some of you are having problems with colic/reflux. I saw this video on YouTube and it might help (not that I would know, but anything is worth a try): www.youtube.com/watch?v=A1kQ-7gREcM If you search baby massage on YouTube, there are lots of massage techniques that come up (for colic, reflux, constipation etc.). I'm sure it must be horrible to see your baby cry and not be able to sooth him/her.

As for me, feeding is going well (after my nipples stopped burning). I'm breastfeeding, and I was really worried about her feeding in the beginning. Well, now I realise that I am "cluster feeding" Adele. Even the fact that it has a name is huge relief. We got a dummy (after plenty of comments about her being a "sucky baby"), sometimes we use it. I was getting really stressed about what to do/not to do regarding eating and sleeping (e.g. do I wake her if she hasn't eaten for 3 hours? She's only had 5 minutes on this side and doesn't want any more - is she going to get colic? She's been on the boob for over an hour yet she's still asking for more - am I laying down foundations of comfort eating?). About ten days ago, I decided to stop worrying. I stopped looking at the clock each time she woke up/fed and when she finished. I stopped caring that she wasn't getting into any kind of routine.

Life is so much easier grin

I'm sure things will work themselves out. She's putting on weight, she's pink, she's responsive.

I really take my hat off to those ladies who have more than one child, I'm just about coping with one!

We went to baby rhyme time at our local library today - super fun (although LO just stared through most of it). It is nice to get out of the house a bit.

cupcakefairy Fri 08-Jun-12 17:31:11

For anyone interested sesthebrave has a live birth thread under the childbirth section grin so exciting!

Catsycat Fri 08-Jun-12 23:17:13

Just thought I'd post and say hello, as I haven't had chance to post on here yet. I think my last post on the antenatal thread was my birth announcement!! Congratulations to everyone who has had their baby since I last had chance to post.

The stay in hospital was fine in the end. I got my CS done first thing in the morning, and by the evening was put in the first side room that became available, so I got as much peace and quiet as possible in a hospital, and consequently didn't go too mad!

Everything was going disgustingly well after the ELCS - barely any pain, scar healed really fast and really well, feeding going fine with DD3 knowing exactly what to do (though she takes ages to complete a feed), lost pretty much all weight gained during pg, and my bleeding had virtually stopped within a week. Amazing!

Then about a week in, the bleeding got heavier again (swabs taken yesterday at the GP), over the BH weekend I got a really nasty bout of mastitis (and a 10 day course of antibiotics), and the skin above and below the scar has got a fungal infection (hence antifungal steroid cream). The mastitis seems to have completely thrown DD3, so she just screams when I try to feed her on the side the infection was on. She is also getting increasingly difficult to settle, especially at night, and DH has been holding her for ages in bed. If I try this, she just starts wanting to feed for comfort. I'm afraid of holding her too long because I have Chronic Fatigue Syndrome, and I'm worried I'll drop her if I fall asleep or soemthing. Feeling pretty gutted about all this! DH is back at work on monday (he stays away 2-3 nights a week), and I'm really stressed about how I'll cope. I'm really considering stopping BF (or supplementing with formula, or switching to expressing) because DD3 can take 1.5 - 2 hours to feed and I just don't see how I can look after DD1 and DD2 (especially getting them ready in the morning) while feeding DD3 for that long. Feeling really bad about this, as I BF DD2 for 6 months, and expressed for DD1 for 6 months.

Will post a birth story when I have a bit more time to write....

Hope to be a bit better at keeping up with the thread, and not being so "me, me, me" next time!

karatekimmi Sun 10-Jun-12 08:18:37

Morning all, this baby lark doesn't half take some getting used to!!! DS is doing well and is now back to his birth weight (yeah!! Very proud mum) and we've braved going out and feeding in public, although how you do it without getting milk spilt all down you I haven't yet figured!

I've been surprised by how much farting is done, loud enough to wake me up at night! He's his fathers son alright!!

After being a very punctual, planned out person before baby, I'm finding it difficult to get used to being so late for everything, taking so long to get ready, (it took 2 hours to have a bath and get dressed yesterday as someone needed feeding!!) I know this is the state of things to come, but it really bothers me!

Trying to get back to sleep now that ds has finished feeding and is asleep!

Bodeccia Sun 10-Jun-12 11:06:51

Woo hoo! I've just won a cool baby gym on eBay for £22! Hurrah!

On the downside: Adele's cluster feeding is playing havoc on my biscuitbiscuit. I've been plying on the lansinoh but it still hurts.

cupcakefairy Sun 10-Jun-12 20:49:51

Hi ladies..
bodeccia I also have an evening cluster feeder, and he just cries in between..very frustrating & sore on the poor boobs!! Am just hoping mine will grow out of it in a few weeks once his gut has settled a bit..we'll see!
We also got a fab lamaze gym on eBay for a bargain price..it's the place to shop!

catsy sorry you've had complications from the cs sad really hope it clears up soon. Hope your older 2 are enjoying the baby.

kimmi I feel exactly the same about how long things take with babies! I'm also a v organised on time kind of person & hate the faff trying to get out of the house.. ds1 and I had got into v good routines though so now I'm dreading next wk alone with them both as it'll all be thrown in the air again with a newborn! But routine will come again after a little while..

Right, I got 5 mins peace there between feeds, now he's crying again, and rooting around on my tummy! Must dash.

Bodeccia Mon 11-Jun-12 10:55:55

Hi catsy, I know just what you mean: you think you've got something fairly sorted (like feeding), then a curve ball comes out of nowhere and stuffs it all up. Your problems are more serious than mine though. I know nothing about CFS, but have you thought about getting one of those slings where you can feed and carry hands free? I'm not sure if you could wear one of them, but if you could, then at least you would be able to hold LO without the risk of dropping her.

FWIW: I really wouldn't worry about the feeding for comfort. She's still very little, I would give her what she wants at the moment. You've only had her a little while, and if you are able (i.e. if your other two let you), comfort her if that's what she's asking for.

Take the option of an easy life, don't put too much pressure one yourself. smile

My boobs are still hurting, really stinging, although it seems to be passing (touch wood). We got some formula to feed her with while I expressed from my rock solid, stinging boobs. Managed to get nearly 100ml for goodness sake! I was up at 4.30 this morning steralising more bottles, teats, attachments for the breast pump. I really hope my boobs get better soon :-S

tostaky Mon 11-Jun-12 14:45:56

First day on my own with the three of them... So far so good! grin
Will catch up with your news tonight smile

Harecare Mon 11-Jun-12 15:51:20

Hello May Mums!!! Not been on this thread, but I was waiting around for ages for DD3 to arrive on the antenatal thread.
April is 4 weeks old and I don't quite think I've got the hang of her yet. My confidence with new borns has diminished with every baby - luckily I was super confident with DD1 or I'd be a quivering wreck now. How are other Mums of more than 1 handling it?
Will go back and read some more of this thread, but does anyone have anything resembling a routine? I'm sure by now DD1 and DD2 were asleep by 8pm at night and sleeping til 2 or 3am. April is going to sleep about 9:30 and we're getting a bit of crying first which I want to reduce.

tostaky Mon 11-Jun-12 21:41:34

Oooohhh... I posted a really long reply but it didn't work...
In short
- eBay, I'm a big fan!
- routines, for my first two I think it was around 3 months when we started something
- sore boobs, lasinoh, frozen cabbage leaves, and use your baby rather than ur pump as much as poss!wink
- so tired.... Zzzzzzzzz

cupcakefairy Mon 11-Jun-12 22:35:53

tostaky today was my first day flying solo too.. it went well, so well in fact that I'm worried it can only go downhill from here!! Everyone was fed & dressed before 9am, we made it out to toddler gym class on time, boys napped at the same time so I could have lunch in peace.. all very lovely! Certainly a lot of nappies to change when there isn't an extra pair of hands to do some of them though!!

Hi harecare we started proper routines with ds1 at about 6 weeks but I've a feeling it may be longer with this one as he's so unsettled in the evenings. We'll see. Sorry you're not feeling v confident, hope that improves over time.

cupcakefairy Mon 11-Jun-12 22:37:05

Oh and bode I can express a ridiculous amount in just a few minutes too..I could definitely be feeding twins with the amount of milk I have! grin

Bodeccia Tue 12-Jun-12 10:19:52

Blimey cupcake that is crazy organised! I feel a sense of achievement if I manage to get myself in the shower before 9am <shame emoticon>

tostaky: I agree to use LO more than the pump. It has just been hurting so much recently, and the pump hurts less than the baby. I had to give her a mix of breast milk and formula over the weekend. I don't even know what happened. It is getting better though.

On the subject of which... (you're going to think I'm obsessed with boobs). I have noticed an ominous red segment on the underside of my left boob. I'm sure this is what the mw described as a blocked milk duct and I have to massage it towards the nipple. I've been massaging like crazy (when do you know it is too much?) I'm going to feed A on that side and massage it again when she feeds. I so don't want a bout of mastitis.

I have another question about nipples (I'm really not obsessed...!). You know how your nipples look a bit like raspberries? Well, those of you breast feeding must have noticed when a bump on your nipple goes white. What is that? And why does that happen? Is it because she's not latched properly? Is it a blocked duct?

Its a whole new world...

Ladybee Tue 12-Jun-12 11:54:36

Bodeccia does it look like this?, if so, it's a bleb or milk blister. There's advice on dealing with it on the site or kellymom or does it happen after a feed and then eventually turn back to normal? That might be vasospasm? Red triangle sounds like a blocked duct, yes.

Ugh, reflux, it's so rubbish. Poor babies.
cupcake - can you settle him on his tummy and then switch onto his back?
Or have either of you investigated a sleep wedge to elevate his head above tummy? I've raised the head end of DD's bassinet in an attempt to help although tbh it doesn't seem to do anything
tostaky good on you getting onto the GP, hope the gaviscon is starting to make a difference? or do you think you'll be getting that referral?
Harecare, I definitely don't have the hang of DD yet. I made the mistake of looking at some link to Dunstan baby language, which is supposed to show different baby sounds meaning differet things and then drove myself mad trying to hear DD's. I've come to the conclusion that she doesn't speak the same language. hmm
Catsy - sorry to hear it all turned a bit custardy after such a lovely start! DD3 may well get more efficient quite soon, DD definitely feeds more quickly now at 7 weeks and has been for a while. The getting harder to settle thing might not be the mastitis, it could just been the general fussiness that seems to kick in around the two-week mark and continues on. Is it this week that your DH has gone back to work? Hope it's going ok, I found that the prospect of doing it all myself was actually worse than that reality. Although I expect with CFS you're going to need to watch your energy carefully, I'm pretty exhausted at the end of the day - literally drained. Hard decision about whether to give up BFing to help care for everyone, but you do what you have to do. I'm sure you'll make the best decision for whole family.
Fussy evenings and cluster feeders - one thing to check on is that the baby isn't overtired? we've found that when DD gets v tired she also gets v sucky and wants to nurse but using a pacifier, swaddling and shushing works better to let her get to sleep. If she's really hungry she won't settle, so there's no risk of supply/weight issues, and it helps to avoid that sore tummy/feed/cry cycle that she got into a couple of times. Of course cluster feeding does also happen. I think DD does a bit of a cluster in the mornings now as she's going longer in the night.

We've been getting some decent stretches of sleep recently, normally from about 9pm to 4:30AM - that's her sleeping, I've been heading to bed around 10:30 once I've waited to see whether she's going to wake or not. We're not on a routine or anything but I try to keep my eye on feed and sleep times - so time since last feed (she typically wants another feed around 3hrs) and time since she woke (she typically starts fussing and needs to be helped off to sleep about 1 1/4 to 1 1/2 hrs awake time). Of course it all goes out the window if I have to get her into the car to get DS to daycare or if she vomits up a feed - then neither she nor I seem to be able to work out what she wants.

Re: house/organisation. I have been trying to sew some basic fleece curtains to help insulate the windows. It has taken me nearly 3 weeks to 1. Clear the dining table, 2. Find the sewing machine and transfer it to the table, 3. Measure windows and calculate fabric required, 4. Buy fabric. I still haven't actually cut the fabric or sewed the curtains. And tomorrow is the last of DS's daycare days for this week.
I have a form I was supposed to fill out BEFORE DD was born that still isn't done. I can't even decide which day to increase DS's daycare to, and I'm in serious need of a haircut. I can almost guarantee that it will be another 6 weeks before I get one.
I count it a good day if I have got myself up, showered, dressed, DS fed three meals and two snacks, one load of washing in machine and another out on the line, and the dishwasher emptied and re-stacked once in a day. It's a bonus if I've got something organised for our dinner. Sigh. I can't quite work out how it's going to get better, I suppose once she starts going to bed a bit earlier it might. <finds straw and grasps it>

Ladybee Tue 12-Jun-12 12:01:21

Oh I meant to add, I downloaded an app to help with the timings of things - it's called 'Tiny Time' and is basically just 4 stopwatch/timer thingies on one screen, that count up how long it's been but is very easy to get to and start one-handed. There's one for feeding, one for sleep, one for nappy and a spare one. The feeding one also quite handily has a 'R' and 'L' indicator which I find useful as I constantly forget which side I started with last. I'm not describing it well, go have a look if it sounds like something you'd find useful. I don't wear a watch but always have my iPhone in my pocket so works for me.

SESthebrave Tue 12-Jun-12 17:30:30

Hello again all!

Is there room for one more? I was due in May so feel like one of "you" even though I didn't actually give birth until 9th June!

At 40+12 I went in for an induction. Because of previous CS, they wouldn't use the pessaries so tried to break my waters to get things started. MW said my cervix was soft but still posterior so she couldn't reach it though to break them. Registrar at that point decided to try and do it herself so asked for me to have gas and air before pulling my cervix forwards and breaking them. That was the worst bit of the whole process!
3hrs later at 4pm and after no contractions, they put me on the drip and decent contractions started about 6pm at which point I was only 2cm dilated so they increased the drip. The contractions increased to 4 in 10 mins and so did the intensity but at 8pm I was still only 2 cm dilated. so the drip was increased again. At midnight when I was still only 2cm, they advised a CS for failure to progress and because there were small quantities of meconium in my waters.

So at just 13 days overdue, at 2.03am, Aoife Grace was born by CS weighing in at 9lb 11oz. I am still in shock that I have a daughter as DH and I were convinced we were having another boy. It is a wonderful surprise though and we are very happy smile

We managed to get home yesterday afternoon and so far so good. DS has been v good so far without bewing OTT. When he got home from pre-school yesterday he wanted to give her a cuddle so I sat with them both on the sofa. Aoife was crying a little and so DS just said "It's ok Aoife. I'm your brother. I'm not scary"!

The first couple of days she has been very settled but today has not settled so well in her crib and has had a bit of a feeding frenzy. She is only 3 days old though so probably just finding her appetite.

I will try and read through and catch up on your news later but I hope you're all well and enjoying your new little ones smile

Bodeccia Tue 12-Jun-12 17:32:29

That's really helpful, thanks ladybee. That's exactly what that white thing is: a milk blister. It is encouraging that I can self treat at the moment, it seems like the key is using a hot compress. I feel a bit paranoid about the red segment. The only positive thing I can say about the times bf is super painful is that it doesn't seem to last that long; if I have a period of soreness it is usually over after 24 hours or so.

Good luck with your curtains. I have nothing so ambitious going on here. At the moment my to-do lists usually include catching up with something I've missed on TV blush

However, I am getting good at getting us both ready and going out to town in the buggy. The bus is brilliant for getting A off to sleep and it is nice to meet other mums in various groups smile

Wrigglebum Tue 12-Jun-12 21:07:39

Bodeccia- I've read a lot of places suggesting 'combing' a sore blocked area with a wide tooth comb to try and clear it. Not tried it myself though, I haven't had any yet and didn't in 9 months of feeding DS. I don't know if it makes a difference but I always wear nursing bras with really stretchy cups, they just feel so much more comfortable and my boobs change in size a bit between feeds.

Congratulations SES- saw some of your live birth thread after it was linked on here. I hope you get over your CS easily. Such a gorgeous name and your DS sounds lovely. My DS is really sweet with Adam and it just melts your heart.

Well 6 weeks post CS I'm feeling pretty good now, certainly able to do most things without pain. Adam is still feeding a lot, need to weigh him next week before his 8 week check so will be interesting to see how big he's getting! Jealous of your nice long stretches of sleep Ladybee! We had similar long sleeps from DS at this age but Adam is a lot hungrier smile. Can't complain too much as we normally get a four hour stretch when he first goes to sleep (and me too), had five hours last night which was great. We keep thinking we'll put him down to bed rather than having him up with us but he doesn't really have a pattern in the evening yet, is awake all evening one day then asleep the next. I think we'll wait until after the six week growth spurt time before we try.

Catsy- hope you're feeling a bit better. My bleeding stopped very quickly then started up again as I started to move around and do more. It's completely stopped now again thankfully. I can only guess the fungal infection on your scar was probably caused in part by the antibiotics for the mastitis, very annoying. Might be worth taking some probiotics? No need to feel guilty re the feeding if you do decide to give up bf, you need to look after your own health too.

cupcakefairy Tue 12-Jun-12 21:31:49

Ha bodeccia in definitely not super organised! Just a lucky first day I think, plus dh has been a star getting ds1 all ready before leaving for work, and also making lunch for me & ds1 ..long may that last! smile
Sorry you're having worries with the bf.. has the blocked duct cleared now? Hope so.. never had it myself but all the advice I've heard is hot flannels..which I'm sure you've tried!

Hi ses and huge congratulations on the birth of your dd smile so cute re ds too. Mine says 'it's alright Seb' repeatedly when baby cries <melt>

ladybee that app does sound useful I'm gonna have a look for it smile I haven't tried flipping ds onto his back once he's asleep.. I put him on his tummy for his naps cos I can watch him but am too scared to at night so just have to keep feeding him til he drops off properly to go on his back.

We've actually had a crying free evening tonight as he dropped off at 8.. yippee! Also had him weighed today.. 10lbs15 at 3 weeks old grin chubber!

LittleSarah Tue 12-Jun-12 22:13:26

Hello all

Just a quick one as need advice!

Not getting much sleep, jealous of those who are getting longer stretches! Finlay a month old and problems seem to be beginning. Last three nights he has woken up in the early hours crying and feeding has not helped! Cue two hours of whinging/crying on and off with a little feeding and huge frustration. Basically dh and I both awake. I am so tired. Neither of the other two did this, they would feed then sleep, feed then sleep. Dh is going to sleep downstairs tonight, he needs his sleep more than me but I still feel a bit down about being left alone.

Generally he is a good wee soul and has put on plenty of weight, now 8lb 3oz, from 5lb 14oz, I just wish he would sleep a little more.

Anyway, any advice from others who have been through similar? Or just general reassurance!

Thanks all!

Wrigglebum Tue 12-Jun-12 23:05:04

Have you tried white noise LittleSarah? We had many nights pacing the lounge with ds1 and found that the extractor fan worked a treat on him! It needs to be pretty loud I think generally, I think some people turn a radio to static so that might be worth a try, especially if you can train yourself to sleep with it on! If he's windy a bit of leg cycling and bending them up to the chest can help get those trumps out. Or try baby massage? We usually get an hour of pained grunting from Adam around 5-6am while he trumps away a bit, burping makes very little difference to wind coming out the other end IME.

Sounds like a great weight gain, so you're obviously doing well.

tostaky Wed 13-Jun-12 06:25:51

Littlesarah - I feel for you... I too for the last two nights been awake trying to soothe baby A... I think it is more a case of mixing night and day for us as he is really happy being on my shoulder looking through the kitchen window at the lampost (and the milkman doing his round!) but as soon as I go somewhere darker he cries... That or he likes the noise the fridge makes!! grin so yeah been up between 3 and 5am pacing the kitchen...

I definitely need to put those blackout blinds today as I can already hear DS2 chatting away.... Both older boys are at nursery today so I will be able to do a few things and rest!! What did I do before I had children, I don't know... I must have been the laziest person on earth waking up at 10-11am and not taking care of anybody...! Work is nothing compared to children!!!

tostaky Wed 13-Jun-12 08:04:15

Ps: I'm pretty sure that baby has already started smiling back!!! gringringrin

dreamingofanallotment Wed 13-Jun-12 08:18:31

Hi all, sorry for being AWOL for so long - who would've thought someone so tiny could make you so busy?!

Sorry to hear of sore boobs and lack of sleep. I definitely second the lansinoh - it works wonders! White noise is also a godsend - Isla has been waking st 4ish for a feed and then has been really awake. I find that putting the white noise on makes her stare at her Moses basket for a bit and then drift off. I downloaded a free white noise app called white noise lite I think - Isla's favourite is the fan noise!

All is good with us, slowly adjusting to the sleep deprivation and becoming experts at nappy changing while Isla roars at us! (she's not a fan of having her nappy changed when hungry!) I just can't believe she's a month old already, and a pound heavier than when she was born!

ballroompink Wed 13-Jun-12 15:06:18

bodeccia I had a red patch on the underside of one boob with soreness as well. It was very sore one evening and I could barely touch it but had read that you need to keep on feeding through it to try to clear it so just did that. The next day it was bearable to touch so I massaged the area quite a bit. My health visitor recommended the comb in the shower method and warm water in general. It has sorted itself out within a couple of days.

We are having reasonably good nights - Sebastian isn't at all noisy and settles pretty well after a feed unless he's got wind. A couple of nights ago he slept from 11.45pm to 6am which was great, but generally he wakes up between 3 and 4am for a feed. He's so awake all day though and particularly in the evenings when he feeds regularly up until 11pm.

Bodeccia Wed 13-Jun-12 16:59:32

Afternoon everyone

Boob news: I think it is clearing up, thank goodness! Thanks everyone for your advice and encouragement smile I just massaged like crazy, used hot flannels and kept feeding A on that side. I think I have to be much more vigilant about making sure she latches on correctly. I heard about the comb thing, ballroom, but I didn't try it (I don't have a comb). I wasn't mad about the idea of it though, when your boobs are super sore, a comb doesn't fill you with much comfort... Much prefer the idea of frozen savoy cabbage leaves smile

ses: your birth sounds a bit like mine in that I was induced too and ended with a CS. Hope you're healing well. Aoife was a good weight, eh? You DS1 sounds blooming adorable! grin

Glad you're feeling well after your CS wriggle, I can't wait to be able to drive again. We live in a semi rural place and I either have to take the bus into town (which I quite enjoy, and A goes to sleep super quick). The trouble is that there is only 1 bus every 2 hours, and once I am in town I have to wait 2 hours to get back again. And it is quite expensive.

Nothing wrong with a bit of chub, cupcake, we love a bit of chub here, don't we ladies? Shows they're good, healthy, and irresistible to cuddles grin

Sorry to hear Finlay isn't settling sarah. On the April post natal thread they mentioned different reasons babies cry. I had a read, and then completely forgot what each one meant when A was crying, d'oh! I hope he settles soon, it is horrible seeing your baby cry when you feel so helpless to do anything.

Baby A has started smiling too, tost, while I think she's just practising her faces, it is a gorgeous taste of things to come! <melting emoticon> God, I was such an ice queen, what the hell happened??

Lovely to hear your news dreaming, baby A doesn't like her nappy being changed either (speaking of which I need to go and do that imminently, judging by the smell emanating from her nether regions...)

Baby A is super snuffly. She literally sounds like a piglet when she goes to latch on. Super cute, but not very healthy? There have been a couple of times when she looks like she's finding it difficult to breath. I'm thinking of doing something with steam to help her airways. Anyone else having breathing issues with their LOs?

SESthebrave Wed 13-Jun-12 19:52:43

Managed to get out this morning. DH took me, DS and A to Jo Jingles and whilst we were there he went and did the supermarket shopping and then came and picked us up.

Aoife still seems to be on a feeding frenzy but quite content most of the time. Her jaundice looks a lot better to me - not so tanned looking - so hopefully that's an indication that she's feeding well enough. My milk came in yesterday and it caused us a bit of a problem last night as when she woke up, she couldn't latch on which made her a bit cross. I think my boobs were just too solid and swollen. In the end, the only way I could get her to latch was to feed her lying down so she spent the night in bed with us. Although a large part of me loved co-sleeping with O for the first few months, I don't really want to get into that habit again as it meant DH was in the spare room but I guess last night was only one night and we'll see what happens tonight!

MW comes tomorrow for heel prick test, weigh in and to take my dressing off - eek! Then tomorrow evening MIL and SIL arrive to visit until Monday!

Bodeccia - good to hear positive boob news smile Aoife was a good weight but I guess she was 13 days overdue by the time she came out! You could also tell by her fingernails as they were so long!

ballroompink - That's great going on the sleeping front! What time of day was S born? Someone said to me that if they are born during the night, often their sleeping is a bit back to front.

dreaming - white noise app made me grin but hey if it works, it's what's needed!

LittleSarah - that sounds tough. What time of day was F born? V frustrating in the early hours so make sure you get some rest during the day when you can.

Hello to everyone else - great hearing about how you're all getting on with your little ones. Can't believe some of them are over a month old now whereas A is only 4 days old!

Harecare Wed 13-Jun-12 22:01:19

SES - Congratulations, what a good weight!! I met an 8 week old who is just 8lb today, made my DD look like a giant, it always surprises me to think my DDs were never that small (on the outside). Sometimes when my boobs are super full I have to sort of pinch/pull the very end of the nipple to make it easier to go in, expressing a tiny amount by hand could help too.

LadyBee - April does the same - sleeps 9 ish til 3ish, that's what I meant by routines, I think a lot of babies have the same routine even before their Mums realise. I think ours roughly follows one I found online - the E.A.S.Y. one. I also got her to sleep at 8pm tonight without the crying bit we've been having. I think as she has been feeding to sleep, it's what I'm used to so I'm just feeding her and feeding her until she drops off, but she's been crying as she's probably had enough and she just wants me to stop shoving my boob in her face!

Littlesarah Argh! Sounds like a nightmare, no advice unless you want to try putting him downstairs in his pram or moses basket for 10 mins. He'll either go to sleep or I find the 10 mins is enough to sort of rewire everything so the baby figures out what he does want - food/sleep/burp/less blanket.

Tonight I put her down awake (wow!) after she'd had a big feed and burp and was just lying peacefully in my arms after drifting off briefly and waking from feeding. I thought she'd wake again at 9pm, but so far so good...

If anyone remembers from the antenatal thread, me and DP weren't having the best time together, but I think we've weathered the storm and are out the other side. It's made me feel very unsure of myself generally and spend a lot of time living in my head, but sunny days like today help a lot. So hopefully on the way to a happy ending!

I am very proud of myself today actually! For the first 2 weeks I couldn't even pick up DD1 from school. Today we walked the school run am and pm (4 miles in total), went to the library and playgroup, made tasty spinach (from the garden) and feta pasties for tea and took DD1 to her first Rainbows session (another 1.5 miles in total), fed dd3 there, got home, put dinner in the oven, picked her up (in car - cheat!), got dd3 to nap while we ate and then dp arrived in time to do bedtime.

Parp! - That's me blowing my own trumpet

LittleSarah Thu 14-Jun-12 10:27:23

Harecare - Well done on your active day! Sounds fab. Very glad to hear you and your dp are getting on well again, that is fantastic.

Thanks to all those who gave me advice on sleeping (SES - he was born at 12.34am), of course since then he has been fine! blush However I can imagine it not lasting so the tips could still come in helpful. The white noise one sounds good, I just hope it doesn't drive me mad!

Bodeccia - Finlay can be quite noisy and snuffly too, in fact he sounded very stuffy when we were having sleeping problems so perhaps that was an issue? He seems okay for the moment but if you are worried I would ask the HV. I know some people hate theirs but mine is really lovely, helpful and most importantly, pragmatic. Unlike my mum, who used to be a HV, and is very stuck on milestones! (Ds not having thirty words by age 2 was a big deal for her).

Ballroompink - Finlay seems to sleep most of the day away! I know, I know, then of course he is more likely to wake at night.... I was trying to keep him awake over teatime in preparation for creating a bedtime but then the night wakefulness began. For the moment I think I will just let him dictate things.

Despite improvement in sleeping he is still feeding loads during the night so I am still avoiding looking at the clock too much. I always have these kind of babies, I never get the ones who go from 11.45 to 6 ballroom! Still at least I am used to it. smile

Do have some more interesting chat, like my husband's ex stepdad's new wife (complicated I know) emailing me to ask why I have a grudge against her... I don't! Not at all. MIL is to blame of course. Also the Olympic torch is coming through our village today and ds1 is having his taster nursery sessions...

But must go and have breakfast!

ballroompink Thu 14-Jun-12 18:27:21

LittleSarah I think 11.45-6 was a one-off for the time being. Last night he did Midnight-3.30 then 4.30ish-7.30.

SES he was born at 1.15am! Apart from a handful of bad nights, he's generally been okay between midnight and 6.30 since he was born, having one or two feeds. Have so far failed to get him settled before 11.30pm though!

Harecare Thu 14-Jun-12 21:31:41

I reckon I've finally got the hang of April now, she seems to have a bit of a routine which is allowing me to do what I need to do with the other 2, in bed just after 8 again tonight although in a bit of a different way to last night, but still without crying. Hooray! Going down south for a week next week so it could all go to pot - hope not!

cupcakefairy Thu 14-Jun-12 22:22:18

harecare fab news about you and dp, really pleased for you smile

sarah glad the sleep problems aren't every night..but totally know what you mean about feeling sad to be left alone by dh. I do all the nighttime stuff for ds as I'm exclusively breastfeeding I think it's pointless for dh to be awake too.. but I still feel a bit miffed some nights when he's just snoring away in bed and I'm changing the 3rd nappy of the night, hmph! Well done you not clock watching at night though; I'm completely obsessed with keeping track of how long he's slept but I guess it doesn't help the sanity!

ballroom...my Sebastian also wakes at around midnight and 3.30...and slept 11-6 one night last week..spooky! Are we the same person grin

SES wow well done you getting out and about so soon after your cs. Seb was also on a complete feeding frenzy for about the first 5 days..I was going out of my mind literally feeding all day but it did slow down after that; they're just properly bringing the milk in; hope Aoife spaces out her feeds more soon.

bode glad the duct has cleared up smile

Baby went down at about 8.30 today after lots of crying, more wind I suspect. I've been trying him with a bottle every couple of days, with just 1oz of expressed milk..he's still not drinking it properly just chewing on the teat but hoping he'll get the hang of it soon as I want to be able to go out and leave him with dh or a babysitter sometimes.

Does anyone know what the actual rules are regarding drinking alcohol when breastfeeding? Only am going to a hen party in a few weeks and just wondering if I should not be drinking or if 1 or 2 is ok...

SirCharles Fri 15-Jun-12 01:04:46

sorry I have not caught up for a while but have been struggling..... see this thread where I am looking for support/shared experience.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/breast_and_bottle_feeding/1495666-3-weeks-in-and-still-suffering-please-share-experience-re-any-of-these-issues-domperidone-fenugreek-baby-failing-to-gain-weight-thyroid-issues-posterior-tongue-tie-Thrush

I will catch up soon but in the meantime I hope everyone is doing well. My little Teddy is absolutely gorgeous which makes up for the frustrations I have with BF and his weight! I swear if my DH & I had not been so committed to BF I would have given up by now because of the HPs attitudes and lack of support. Hope everyone else is doing better than us!

tostaky Fri 15-Jun-12 14:33:44

SirCharles - i hope things will get better soon for you...

Cupcake - i did drink two glasses of red wine while bf DS2 thinking it would be fine... i went home and woke up with a terrible headache in the morning. I did breastfed Ds2 in the night though, he must have been around 4-5 months... he didnt seem to have any impacts however, just to be n the safe side, i would nt recommend doing it... i have done it once and feel really guilty about it and will not do it again... i do have a sip of my DP's wine on occasions, i also drink Becks Blue at home (alcohol free beer) but thats about it...

Bedtime - so envious of those who make they lo sleeping at 8pm... without crying!!! For me, the crying starts around 7 and end around 9pm... The days the nanny or DP are here are ok but when im on my own with the three of them, it is a nightmare...
Also DS1 and DS2 seems to start getting not jealous but ... sad? that i dont spend more time with them....
ive decided to reduce DS2 days at nursery from 3 to 2 from 1st of July to make up for it... Not sure what to do about DS1... i would like to have more special time with him too but i dont know how to jiggle his nursery days to make it work

Eating - im eating chocolate, chocolate and cake.... really bad... because then, i'll skip lunch or dinner to make up for it. i do take vitamins but still... my aim next week is to eat better

Have a great fathers days on sunday everybody smile

cupcakefairy Fri 15-Jun-12 14:46:13

Thanks tostaky I am a major lightweight so wouldn't normally have more than 2 drinks but had hoped to enjoy a cocktail at the hen do, esp as it's a prepaid bar that I've already contributed to grin might have to just be virgin ones!
My ds gets a bit sad too it's really hard isn't it! He'll ask me to play on the floor & if I can't cos I'm feeding ds2 he just accepts it with a sad look sad I try to play with him properly while ds2 sleeps to make up for it but I'm so tired it's really hard not to just turn tv on!

sircharles so sorry to hear of your problems hope u get some good advice..massive well done on persevering!

Bodeccia Fri 15-Jun-12 15:44:10

Afternoon ladies

Harecare I'm really glad you and DP managed to sort things out. I'm also super impressed at your active day - wowsers!

littlesarah: long may good sleeping patterns continue smile

cupcake I read this article and this article about drinking alcohol when breastfeeding. They basically say that it is fine, express milk beforehand to give to the baby when you're on the lash grin, don't feed the baby straight afterwards. But I would agree with tostaky - it would probably be fine for LO but not great for you IYSWIM. If your hen night is a couple of weeks away, your LO will be stronger then too.

sircharles what a nightmare for you. I'm glad you posted on the breastfeeding/bottle feeding forum. They're a great source of help on there. Hang on in there, I'm sure things will work themselves out. Can't be easy for you ((( sircharles )))

tostaky hmmm... not very happy to hear you're skipping meals <stern emoticon> You'll lose the weight, you've only just had your LO for a couple of weeks, don't put too much pressure on yourself. I think the reason you're reaching for the chocolate and cake is because you've got 3 kids to look after, you've got to have something to get you through the day smile

Having said that, I have had A for 4 weeks now, and I'm wondering when I should be thinking about making the effort to lose the weight. I have another couple of weeks until my 6 week check up, and I have needed to be careful having had a CS. I'll probably get some kind of action plan sorted then.

Cool, another 2 weeks to stuff my face not worry about the old weight loss grin

biscuit anyone?

Catsycat Fri 15-Jun-12 16:36:55

Glad to see everyone is still doing OK.

harecare I'm glad you and DP are moving forward, and impressed at your energy!

tostaky & Bodeccia, I'm also not winning any prizes for my diet at the moment! Having said that, I'm back in my pre-pg jeans, but as they are a size 18 I'm not sure that is anything to be proud of. Will definitely have a biscuit since you're offering!!!

Glad some of you are getting longer bits of sleep now. I'm really hoping to soon! Zuleika did 6 hours between feeds last night, but wouldn't settle for the first two hours of that time, which seemed like a waste! She seems to go longer between feeds in the morning, and settle quite well in her crib or moses basket, or the buggy, then in the afternoon and evening she feeds loads and is harder to settle, and wants to be held all the time (OK unless I need to cook tea/ wipe DD2's bottom / do baths / bedtime). She is generally going 4 hours between feeds at night, which is not too bad if we can get her to sleep quickly after a feed. Her sisters quite quickly went to 6 hours between feeds at night as a regular thing, so I'm hoping she will follow suit...

It was DH's first week back at work this week, and he was away monday and tuesday night. I had about 2-3 hours sleep each night, so am exhausted now. DD2 had all her teddies confiscated on monday night, as she sneaked out of bed and poured an entire brand new bottle of lovely organic baby oil over our landing carpet, followed by a bottle of water (both taken from my bedroom). She also took DD1's inhaler apart and stuffed the bits into her spacer (fortunately it still works), and various other naughty things. I didn't discover this until 1.30am, at which point I had to try to clean the oil out of the carpet (you can still see it though angry).

Have been to the GP this morning to see if I can drive next week, which he said would be OK smile but he also noticed my uterus hasn't contracted, so has been on the phone to gynae at the hospital, and now I have to go to Warwick next wednesday to see the consultant. Tried to persuade him that it was because I'm old and have had 3 CS, but he didn't seem convinced!!! Not sure what this means - any ideas anyone???

tostaky Sat 16-Jun-12 13:35:33

DP, Ds2 an Ds3 are all asleep!!! Just me and Ds1... Bliss!!

MrsHoarder Sun 17-Jun-12 10:58:53

We're doing well: last night DS was (sort of) awake when I put him down in his moses basket and hr went t sleep in there (I think.I also think I was asleep first!) We're settling into a bit of a routine and being able to wear my (bloaty days) pre-pregnancy jeans has ilfted my spirits no end.

Agree on the not skipping meals though: you and baby need the protein and fat, not just carbohydrates. If you feel that guilty about cakes (I don't: I'm getting through a pack of biscuits in 2 days) go for a walk.

Been having the occasional small drink too, half a glass of wine or similar. Even that little bit means I need to up my water intake though. But I need t be carefull about that as the GP has me on a fibre drink to try and clear things up at the other end! Sometimes motherhoodis so glamorous! wink

Catsycat Sun 17-Jun-12 17:23:27

MrsHoarder I'm so with you on the glamour thing!!!! Glad the sleep / routine seems to be going well. smile

tostaky that was me an hour ago! DH, DD2 and Zuleika were all asleep, and DD1 finally got to make the cupcakes from her Ben and Holly annual. They have just cooled and been tasted, and she said "I had one bite, but I don't like it!!!". But we had fun making them grin.

Things seem to be improving here too smile Z is easier to settle at the moment, and managed to soothe herself back to sleep very quickly this afternoon when she woke up mid-cupcake-cooking with DD1! The secret seems to be infacol - I'm most surprised as it didn't really work on DD2, and DD1 never needed it. She also seems to be feeding for shorter periods of time, rather than the mammoth 2 hour feeds!

goodname Sun 17-Jun-12 19:27:51

Hi all, sorry not been on for ages, I have been reading but not posting as I always seems to be rocking or feeding the baby when I am online. This baby is just a bit too fidgety to get away with typing at the same time.
We have been having some very bad evenings up til about midnight recently, not sure why but it seems to be related to wind and the inability too poo so I dont know what I can do about it. For once both kids are asleep at the same time altho baby will be up any minute. He is getting harder to settle (slight pause to feed the baby who just woke up screaming, daddys got him now) for naps as well as at night except for in his sling. He seems to need a lot of peace which doesnt happen much in our house. The bonding is a lot better now though, it helps that he has started smiling at me at long last. Still feel like I am getting it all wrong this time around when it comes to sleep whicih scares me as ds1 who is 2 is still a terrible sleeper. How does everyone else go about geting babies into routines and such like as I have no idea what to do. Currently he is hard to settle but will have at least one, normally 2 really long sleeps (2-3 hours) in the day and quite long awake times but I worry this is not the way its meant to be.
How come its so difficult knowing the right thing to do with children? Surley it should all be simpler than this
Oh I have an occasional drink and dont worry about it (Just a tiny glass of wine or a small glass of beer but prob a couple of times a week) And my diet is terrible, I am managing to eat a healthy dinner most nights but during the day I snack all the time, I cannot get enough choc and cake and toast with loads of butter on. I dont worry too much though as I am starving and need the energy boost. It is so hard to get up in the morning sometimes with ds1 when I have only just got ds2 back to sleep after he has been up since 5.
Sorry for the waffly me me me post. Will try better next time

Catsycat Sun 17-Jun-12 20:35:39

Hi goodname. Have you tried the Infacol / Gripe Water type things? Infacol has definitely helped settle Z after feeds. Not sure it would help if your baby is properly constipated though. If constipation is an issue, I'd bring it up with the HV or GP - they might be able to help. I'm glad the bonding is better. It's lovely when they smile isn't it? Z has a cute, slightly cheeky little smile, which has been showing itself more the last week or so smile.

As far as routines go, TBH we were really lucky with DD1 in that she found her own acceptable routine herself, and just kind of fell into it. With DD2, it was similar, but I guess we "helped" her along a bit, which I will try to do with Z as well - basically by offering feeds earlier / trying to very gradually do them later, so she eventually is feeding (and consequently sleeping) to fit in with the rest of the family's routines. Hoping it will work this time! I'm not generally very routine oriented, and certainly have never used any books etc to get into a routine (though some of my RL friends swear by she who can't be named's books) but can see it does help when you have more than one child. It's hard as well because there seems to be such a split between the idea of a routine, and the idea of everything being baby led, so you get quite conflicting advice depending on where you look. If you are getting him down for a couple of really long sleeps most days, then it sounds to me like you're doing pretty well actually, as it's still early days. I would tend not to worry so much about how it's "meant" to be, but focus on what is acceptable to you. I'm sure you aren't getting it wrong - sounds like you are just doing the best you can under the circumstances, like the rest of us smile.

LittleSarah Sun 17-Jun-12 20:52:08

Goodname - No routine forming here yet either! Finlay also has yet to fall asleep on his own and sleeps for longest when in the sling. With the other two they did tend to fall into their own natural routine over time, with some gentle nudging, so I am still hoping for that this time. Think I need to try and pop him in moses basket once he has fallen asleep at least but so far when I have done so he wakes up within in ten minutes. If held or in sling he'll sleep for ages. He is still young though so not too concerned yet but hopefully in another month things will have more of a pattern. Sure they will for you too! They are all so different though aren't they? Glad bonding is better. Finn has given us a few smiles but not many.

Need more advice today. These wrap slings! How to use. I have been using mine quite a bit but often need to rewrap as ds too high on my body and after an hour or two it loosens off and have to retie or is dangerous. Really want that ergo now!

MrsHoarder Sun 17-Jun-12 21:01:23

Goodname I am in awe of your toastmaking! During the day I eat the sandwich DH leaves me and everything else is eaten straight from the cupboard. But DS is a poor daytime sleeper: he will often only nap on me during the day. Hopefully this will improve as his nighttime sleeping is.

goodname Mon 18-Jun-12 09:25:43

Oh dear mrshoarder, that sounds like my last baby. DS1 was terrible which is why I am so scared of not getting it right this time round. As I speak however he has just gone to sleep in his vibrating chair on his own. I only put him in to get ds1 dressed and off he went when I wasnt looking! They are so contrary. I would reccomend a sling btw as you can make your toast while they sleep on you. The ergo is amazing. Finn can go from screaming to sleep in moments in it. Sadly its been too wet to get out in it for a few days here and for some reason he likes to be outside to get to sleep, he will stay asleep when I come in though. He even slaept through a three course lunch with coffe in a restaurant for our anniversery and slept while I ran around a play barn (including going down the slide) with ds1. Its a lifesaver.
LittleSarah, just buy the ergo, its great and if you buy it on ebay you can sellit for what you bought it for later anyway smile
catsy I tried infacol with ds1 but it made him projectile vomit so I ama bit scared to try it again, will prob give it a go though as I up for trying anything once.
totasky You asked earlier if anyone had used an amby hammock and I had one for ds1 as I tried anything to get him to sleep. Actually it was the only bed he has ever slept on his own in and it def did help him to sleep. What was esp good was if he started wriggling in the night it sort of rocked him back to sleep on his own. DS2 does not seem so keen on it as they are polar opposites in what they like so its just a matter of luck I guess.
Hows everyone getting on with their DHs back at work now? I am feeling organised today as my dad took ds2 and got hime to sleep yesterday afternoon and DS2 and DH went to playbarn place so I cleaned out my fridge and freezer, then packed it with my tesco delivery and made dinner for the next couple of nights. No doubt house will be in total chaos by the time DH comes home tonight tho.

ballroompink Mon 18-Jun-12 13:10:25

So yesterday marked five weeks since S was born and I woke up with cramps that felt exactly like period pain. During the day I also had a bit of bright red spotting, but not a significant amount. Today the cramps are still persisting and have had a bit more red spotting this morning. Slightly confused as to what could be happening - am exclusively breastfeeding, have no other concerning symptoms etc...anyone else experienced this?

cupcakefairy Mon 18-Jun-12 16:56:59

Back for proper post soon but wanted to say ballroom I got my period just 5 or 6 weeks after having ds1 even though I was breastfeeding constantly.. I then got them back regularly every month but could tell from my charts that they were annovulatory cycles.. I would say no need to worry yet as prob just your period and will take a couple of months to settle back to how it was before (ie not just spotting) but ask doc at your 6 week check if you're worried.

Catsycat Mon 18-Jun-12 17:28:33

LittleSarah I tried to use my Close carrier last week - put Z in it, and she just started screaming until I took her out of it! I think I was doing it right, but will have to try it with DH there and see. He put her in the Babasling yesterday while we had lunch, and she seemed to like that (but I can't use that sling as it hurts my back!). Haven't even dared try the Wilkinet yet - potential to straitjacket myself in it seems too great!

Tostaky we have an Amby that we used for DD1 and DD2. It is lovely. It rocks with the baby's own movements, and you can also gently bounce and rock it to soothe the baby. It also looks really nice (we had the neutral colour one). DD1 loved it, but DD2 didn't so much - she kind of looked a bit cramped in it, and used to squirm and grumble a bit getting herself comfortable, which DD1 never did. Once she moved to the cotbed at 6 months she used to drop straight to sleep! Because we were told from the scans that Z would be quite a big baby, like DD2, we bought a crib instead this time. We have the Amby in the loft though, in case of emergency. It's another thing you can get from eBay and make all your money back on later, btw (well, at least I hope so!).

ballroom my periods started after about 7 weeks after DD1, even though I was exclusively expressing. With DD2, I breastfed in the normal way (not expressing), and had no periods till I stopped breastfeeding at 6 months. I wonder if it is just bad luck and AF has returned already, a bit lighter and spottier because there's not much there so soon after having the baby?? Alternatively, it could be a sign you have been over exerting, which I have also had with each baby, but this never had cramps with it. Last option I can think of is an infection, but not sure there are usually cramps with this.... However, I know nothing being qualified only in the Google medical college smile Best option is to run it past your GP or HV. def mention it at your 6 week check if not before.

MrsHoarder how lovely that your DH leaves you a sandwich! That's so nice! I also eat from the cupboard quite regularly when DH is away!! Am really trying not to though.

goodname Z sleeps really well when we're out too. Not sure what it is, but the HV recommended taking her outside to calm her if she's hard to settle. It has been horrid weather though, so difficult to do as often as I might like. maybe a good thing, or I might turn into one of those 1950s mums who leaves the baby down the bottom of the garden in the pram!!!! grin

Had a pretty good day so far. Took the DDs to their swimming lesson (I didn't actually go in the pool, just sat at the side to watch the lessons) - drove the car for the first time in 4 weeks, managed to get there on time and not crash grin. Hoovered, emptied the bins, and changed the cat litter box before we went out, and bathed Z (well, the HV was coming round wink !!!). Dealt with the HV while giving the older DDs lunch and feeding the baby. Let the DDs watch The Gruffalo while I had a bit of a lie down on the sofa. Z has had a couple of nice long sleeps (one this morning and one this afternoon). Hoping I won't be getting a sleepless night as payback for a good day, and that I can wrangle everyone through their tea and baths later... may also attempt the washing if all goes really well!!!

tostaky Mon 18-Jun-12 20:08:14

Hi all!
Last 2-3 days have been non-stop crying... I'm exhausted... I bought some in facial and colief, tried them and they didn't work. Not surprised as I tried them with DS1 and they did nothing...
Gave him some gaviscon and that seemed to help a little bit... Or is it the combination of everything..?

Sling - currently making lots of use of my moby wrap (stretchy). Waiting til he has better support to use my mei-tai and the baby bjorn.
I'd love an ergo but can't justify another sling really!! Plus I'm quite happy with my moby and mei-tai.

I've decided against the ambi, not too sure it will really be worthy and anyway we don't have the space... Would be nice to be able to try though...

Question about baby poo... Baby is pooing little lumps of yellow-greenish poo. Is that normal? It used to be jut watery orange-yellow poo.. Will ask HV tomorrow as she's coming around lunchtime. Just wondering whether he could be constipated?

Need to go, will post later

cupcakefairy Mon 18-Jun-12 22:06:14

Hello again smile
Seb went to sleep at 7.30 tonight and so far hasn't woken...first peaceful dinnertime in a while!! I'm very much hoping we're over the trapped wind/painful cries all evening phase...fingers crossed!

Liking all the sling talk..I still love my Close sling..Seb has gone straight to sleep in it from screaming a few times and ds1 was the same I call it a miracle sling...hope it works if you try it again catsy! goodname I'm so impressed at your ds2 staying asleep while you run around playing with ds1! (And also impressed you have the energy!!)

catsy shock at your dd emptying oil onto the carpet I think I would cry! Hope she learnt her lesson from getting all her teddies confiscated! grin Massive respect on you coping with dh being away...mine has after work commitments 2 nights this week and I'm dreading that enough!!

tostaky glad ds3 got some relief from the gaviscon, or whatever it was.. hope it continues.

Re weight loss I am a firm believer in stuffing one's face with cake during first few months of breastfeeding grin I certainly have been anyway!! Didn't start dieting til ds1 was 4 months old and don't intend to this time either.. what's ace is that I was a bridesmaid for my older sister 9 months after having ds1 so was a great incentive for weight loss...and this time I'm bridesmaid to my little sister next summer so get the same incentive again, yay! grin look forward to sharing weight loss tips and woes together in a few months!

Been an interesting day chez cupcake.. a friend came over who also has a 2yo and a newborn, and all 4 kids ended up having meltdowns confused our 2 toddlers both kept screaming and crying arguing over the toys and my ds got himself so worked up he threw up all over the sofa shockshock which is v unusual for him. Dear me...we had to laugh about it all but am a bit frazzled after that!!

cupcakefairy Mon 18-Jun-12 22:07:40

Ooh tostaky forgot to say re poo- I was told greenish poo is indicative of trapped wind... ds1 used to get it every now and then and we've had it once so far with ds2...but yes worth mentioning to hv definitely.

Catsycat Mon 18-Jun-12 23:07:01

Glad to hear you had some peace and quiet cupcake! Hope it lasts for you. I'll definitely try the Close sling again, as I could use the hands-free aspect! I also couldn't believe DD2 and the baby oil - was too angry to cry at the time though!! Hope it all goes OK when DH is late home - it's been fine today here, long may it continue!

tostaky no idea on the poo, apart from it does sound unusual... could explain the crying though if it means wind / constipation, so would get it checked out.

Managed to get tea for the DDs and get them into the bath before feeding Z, fed her while they were in the bath, then again once they got out. She has been asleep since about 9pm. Time to get ready for bed, feed the cats, unpack the dishwasher, nice up of tea, then get her changed and fed, and into bed for a nice 6 hour sleep.... <slips into fantasy world>.

Catsycat Mon 18-Jun-12 23:07:45

a cup of tea, obviously...

tostaky Tue 19-Jun-12 01:53:44

Not "in facial" but "infacol" grin of course!

So green poo = trapped wind? So that's colic, yes? I will talk about it to the HV and then I will talk about it with Gp ... It is so heartbreaking to see babies crying in pain..

Speaking of which, when do they stop being newborns and start being just plain babies... After a month? When they get good head support?

I'm so impressed at you lot, caring for NB + sibling AND running a household (
Laundry, cooking..) I have to admit I have a nanny to help me 3 evening a week and both DS1 and DS2 go to nursery 3 days a week blush I would go mad otherwise!!!! Hats off you.

Re-baby poo again. Seems like he has stopped poing at night already... Same with yours? Or could it be the justification?

Re-weight loss. I'm going on hols on the 1st of sept so I really need to be somewhat comfortable wearing a swimsuit in public...blush will happily exchange tips and woes with you all. Have been hiding my scales since mid-pregnancy, need to dig them out.

Right baby's finished feeding and back to sleep so zzz for me too!!

Catsycat Tue 19-Jun-12 11:24:25

Well, turns out my little fantasy re. last night wasn't too far off - I was out on the sleep by about 2 hours, but amazing how perky I feel on just 4 hours!! smile Can't believe how well this is all going..... worried it's going to come crashing down round my ears later grin Got the DDs to nursery a bit late (10am), but had to feed Z a bit unexpectedly mid-getting ready, then had an unexpected phone call just before I put them all in the car. Guess if it had been more pressing to get out, Z could have done without her wash till later, could have ignored the screaming a bit longer sad and ignored the phone! Have since taken in and unpacked the Tesco order I did last night, found DD2's lost hairband (behind the shed hmm), and sorted 2 massive baskets of washing, 1st load now in the machine. Hoping to make the most of some sunshine to hang it out in the garden to dry.

I have to go out again at 12.30 to pick DD1 up from nursery, as she has her first visit to her new school this afternoon. Hope she will enjoy it - she's generally fairly sociable and sensible, so I'm thinking the "I'm scared!" comments this morning will not last once she gets there! She doesn't know any of the other children, but I think there are only 7 in total in her year group (very small rural first school!).

tostaky there seems to be a bit less night time poo here, though can be variable - would say there is a general trend toward it lessening. There wasn't much last night, and now I've just heard a horrible rumbling / gushing sound from the moses basket, but am too scared to look (she's asleep, and I'm enjoying the peace)!!! I can't remember when DD1 and DD2 stopped pooing at night. I think Z is still a newborn, though she's 4 weeks old and now too big for most of her newborn clothes (10lb 2oz yesterday), she still looks newborn in her face, the way she holds her body iyswim. Fair play to you with the nanny /nursery - why not, if it makes your life easier and gives you a bit of a break! I'm similar, in that DD1 goes to nursery 3 days a week, DD2 goes two days, and I have a cleaner at the moment (sadly not permanent!). HV and OT have both suggested I get Home Start to help out too, though I'm not sure really (partly because I don't know what to ask them to do to help).

Re. weight loss... have just taken delivery of cream cakes in the tesco order - don't think they will last the day...

LittleSarah Tue 19-Jun-12 14:25:15

I do love the moby sling when it works (as in when I have tied it correctly) as Finn loves it in there and snuggles up and falls asleep every time. I wear it most days. Just wish was better at using it! Going to check for ebay deals on ergos....

Bad night last night again. Urgh. Three hour wakeful period from about 1am to 4am, lots of feeding with crying in between and some dozing but you know, 30-40 mins. Have managed to get him to take dummy now and then, as always wants to suckle, but it doesn't always help. Hardly at all last night. As things have been ok recently I had no white noise primed, or even a Radio 4 radio play for me. Might suggest dh sleeps downstairs tonight just in case. It is sad being alone but I kept feeling guilty not being able to get ds to sleep as I knew dh had to get up extra early. sad

He has been no problem today! Long nap in arms/sling this morning, now asleep in car seat, can't get him to sleep for long in moses basket but I am trying...

Right must tidy living room. Feel like collapsing on sofa.

cupcakefairy Tue 19-Jun-12 17:36:54

sarah have u tried putting him on his tummy in Moses basket? I know it's a contentious issue but for nap times I do with Seb as he sleeps sooo much more soundly & obviously I can keep an eye on him.

Catsycat Tue 19-Jun-12 20:05:23

LittleSarah what a horrible night for you sad I'd been hoping things were getting better for you. Don't feel guilty about DH - you also have an important job looking after the DC, and need rest and support too. I felt miserable even feeding Z in the rocking chair in the corner of the room, with DH snoring in bed (horrid uncomfortable chair it is too - going on eBay as soon as I get round to it!), and felt rather - dare I say - resentful after we had DD1 and DD2 and he used to get the odd nights sleep in the spare room. I know it's hard for them - my DH gets up at 5am on monday mornings to beat the rush hour on the M25 (has a 2-3 hour commute), and sometimes he has to do it on very little sleep, but sometimes I just think you need to share the burden. Night feeds got so much better when I started feeding Z in bed - just felt more supported being near DH and he can hold my hand even if he's asleep! Can you just collapse on the sofa without tidying first? I know my HV would be 100% behind that as a course of action (that woman would have me do nothing)!!!

DD1 had her first taster session at school this pm. She decided to be all shy and basically hung onto me and hid behind me, wouldn't say her name or anything! I ended up being the last mum there. After I escaped left, she was fine and had fun playing with one of the reception children, but I don't think she played with any of the children her age. Hopefully she will play with them next week. Not too bad if she doesn't I suppose, as all the classes are shared between 2 year groups, so the girl she played with today will be in her class in september. The other mums seem nice on the whole, the teachers were lovely, and none of the children appeared to be delinquents!

I did however make a bit of a fool of myself... I put Z in her carseat on the Quinny Zapp frame to take her into school, then when I left, I loaded her and her carseat back into the car, and drove off.... When I returned an hour or so later, I thought "oh look, someone else has a Zapp like mine... oh sh*t, that is mine!!!" Yes, I had left my buggy on the curb blush, and amazingly it was still there shock. I then had to coolly park, get out of the car in front of all the other mums from DD1's class, fold said buggy (which was next to someone else's car by that point) and take it back to my car.... all as if this were perfectly normal. I got a couple of funny looks, as I looked like a madwoman / buggy thief. I told two of the other mums what I'd done, and luckily they thought it was quite funny!!! One of them offered to take the buggy into the playground to look after it, if I ever did it again blush.

Catsycat Tue 19-Jun-12 20:06:51

Oh, and the same mum pointed out that at least I'd remembered the baby...

ballroompink Wed 20-Jun-12 10:34:36

Thanks cupcakefairy and catsycat - that's good to know that periods have come back so soon for others. Everything I've read seems to deny that this would happen! I was going to ring my GP if the cramps and spotting continued into a third day but thankfully, they seemed to be gone yesterday. I suspect it may have been a case of me overdoing things a bit. I have got S into his carrier now and had been lugging him around in it for a couple of days. Maybe that put a bit of a strain on things.

LittleSarah sorry you had a rubbish night - that was me two nights ago. It left me feeling so rough and frustrated sad S had three unsettled and fussy nights in a row, not wanting to sleep, not latching properly, etc. Last night he returned to normal thank goodness, but I found I still had to help him latch correctly when he was sleepy as he didn't seem to want to open his mouth fully. He does it with one breast in particular and it makes things sore sad

Wrigglebum Wed 20-Jun-12 22:51:31

Catsy, you made me laugh with your buggy story! Sounds like the sort of think I'd do in a sleep deprived daze!

Sorry sleep's not been great LittleSarah, fingers crossed it gets better. We're still getting an awake and grunting phase for an hour around 5 or 6am. We've started putting Adam down to bed awake in his cot at around 7.30. It's going really well and he drifts off on his own without a peep. Then the last couple of nights he's fed at 1am and 4am, then awake for an hour about 5.30.

I've started drinking fennel tea as I heard it could help with baby's wind-Adam was starting to look quite pained by it. He's been a bit less windy since I started, no idea if it's just coincidence or not though. I actually hate fennel but fennel tea is okay, tastes nice but I don't like the smell.

I had to go into the minor injuries unit at the hospital today as my wrist had got extremely sore and swollen. Turned out I've strained a tendon, I've been told I need to rest it for 6-8 weeks. I'm trying to learn to do things one handed but it's really hard. Feeding Adam is hard as it's painful to hold him or move him around. I can't even do up my own bra or put my hair in a ponytail so I'm feeling pretty low to be honest. There's a big bruise coming out so hopefully the pain will subside a bit once all the bruising's out. DH is on holiday this week and my parents are going to try and make it next week to help. It's hard having to be so reliant on other people as normally I'm stubbornly independent.

On a more positive note we're getting lots of big grins and cooing from Adam now. Had him weighed yesterday and he is now 10lb 13oz, so 4 1/2 pounds over birth weight now and creeping up the centiles. What a relief after ds1 who has been below the 2nd centile since 14 weeks old!

hippieshake Thu 21-Jun-12 07:58:35

Hello.

Is it okay if I join? I was on the Late May thread smile

I gave birth on Saturday 26th May to my beautiful baby girl Beatriz Rosa, 7lbs 4oz.

Finally settling into life as a Mummy. DH is working 65 hours, 6 days a week, at the moment. It's been hard without him but we're plodding on smile

Catsycat Thu 21-Jun-12 11:10:24

ballroom, glad things have settled a bit with the spotting.

wriggle sorry about your wrist, it sounds horrid. No wonder it's getting you down. Did they give you anything for it (gel, painkillers etc) - I suppose it's difficult with bf to take anything good. Great news about Adam's weight gain! Zuleika was really windy last night - kind of pumping her leg up and down and trumping like crazy!! It looked quite painful. She usually isn't that windy, so I'm not sure if it was something I ate that did it. I might be buying the fennel tea too if she continues - hoping it was a one off though!

Hello Hippie. Congratulations on your new baby! Your DH's work commitments sound really tough - sounds like you're doing well though!

Feeling quite chipper as I had nearly 7 hours sleep last night!!! Z fed 11-12ish, and again at 7.15. Was shock when I woke up this morning - had to go and check she was OK! Not sure if this will last, or was just a one off. Tostaky, re the poo discussion earlier, there was only a tiny amount in Z's nappy this morning, so I'd say it's definitely slowing down.

Wrigglebum Thu 21-Jun-12 11:44:00

Thanks catsy. Bloody aspirin and NSAID allergy means I'm stuck on paracetamol, but I do have a stash of extra strong codeine for when it gets really bad. Can't take too much though as high doses aren't good when bf. I have a splint to wear for next couple of days to immobilise and help heal. I'm also trying arnica cream and tablets to bring out the bruising.

Some people swear what you eat doesn't affect the baby but I know with DS if I ate anything that makes DH windy (beans, onions, broccoli, most things really!) then DS had bad wind too at the same time as DH. I'll never forget the two of them after a caramelised onion pizza dh and I ate. Adam certainly seems better since I started the fennel tea but you can never prove it's the tea, it might just be his digestion maturing. Fennel tea is also supposed to be good for milk production.

Good sleep there from Z, hope it's left you feeling better.

Hi there Hippie. Well done for coping with your dh's hours and congratulations in your daughter.

Catsycat Thu 21-Jun-12 19:47:39

wriggle, arnica is pretty good, so hope it helps!

What I ate never seemed to affect DD1 or DD2 at all, but definitely does affect Z. I haven't worked out properly what sets her off, but sadly Thai green curry and Lamb Madras both resulted in sleepless nights for everyone. Now I'm compensating for lack of curry with more cake and chocolate - bad news! I'm afraid I did have an unsympathetic little chuckle at the thought of your DH and DS parping away together! smile I'd better skip the fennel tea if it produces more milk!!! I remember when expressing for DD1 realising I was producing 1.2 - 1.5 litres a day.... I'm trying to avoid expressing atm, as I don't want to encourage things!

BTW had my gynaecology appt yesterday, and was only in there 10 minutes. And I got to keep my knickers on the whole time - yay! The consultant thinks my uterus will contract "eventually", and found nothing but a small fibroid when she scanned me (the fibroid was news to me). The worst bit was the scan which was quite painful, as she was pressing really rather hard on my scar for a couple of minutes. Glad that's over!!!

LittleSarah Thu 21-Jun-12 22:41:05

Hello all

Sorry I am not managing to respond to you guys properly at the moment, so tired.

Wriggle - Sounds like Adam is a bit more settled than my boy but I'm sure you are still tired too! He is gaining weight like a trouper too which is fab. Finn is also creeping up the centiles so something is working...

cupcake - Funnily enough Finn has started to settle in his moses basket during the day. He is a great daytime sleeper and sleeps for hours. Of course I don't really rest as I have ds1 around, plus now I worry that it is the long day sleeps buggering up our nights but I don't know how to to repair. Apart from creating a bedtime at 2 months or so I've never really tried to enforce any particular sleep patterns. Will see how things go...

Catsy - LOve it that your HV would 'just have you do nothing.' That made me smile. I have done little today myself, a few dishes here and there. Yesterday I made a curry and it seemed to take all day. Last night was another bad one. Fully awake from 1am to 3am. I listened to 'Mrs Robinson's Disgrace' on my ipod as I paced the bedroom floor, it kind of suited the melancholic mood. Still, accepting that you just need to get up works better than desperately staying in bed pleading with baby to go back to sleep. smile

ballroom - I hope S is still behaving well for you, you just never know sometimes. I'm hoping this a phase that will settle without any big changes from me but that may be wishful thinking.

Really must go to bed... not something I look forward to... moan moan moan. Sorry!!

SirCharles Fri 22-Jun-12 01:42:05

hi hippie we can plod together as my DH is still working overseas. he tends to leave Sunday about 5pm & returns Fri about 730am. it is tough. hope you are getting on ok.

MrsHoarder Fri 22-Jun-12 05:22:59

DS went down just after 9, woke at 3 for a quick feed and is fast asleep now. Unfortunately I'm not, and have been awake since that 3am feed. My problem is falling back to sleep myself. Been lying awake in bed listening to DS breathing and DH snoring on the other side for 2 hours before I got up.

Yesterday was our most active day so far as well, a morning shopping trip (where he fell asleep in the pram so I treated myself to a bacon butty and a hot cup of tea), baby stay and play at the children's centre (he slept through that as well), a HV weigh-in (13lb 9 at 5 weeks) and a friend visiting in the evening.

I'm amazed by how you ladies with DH's working overseas manage, I'm ready for a "break" (aka chores) by the time mine gets home in the evening.

hippieshake Fri 22-Jun-12 08:56:03

sircharles that must be difficult for you. When will he be back properly?

I'm managing okay, although everything has to be very organised. I'm lucky that Bea seems to have settled herself into a routine fairly quickly. She wakes up around 2:30am for a feed, then sleeps until 7ish. That's when we get up, feed Bea, feed me, express milk, wash up, hoover downstairs, shower, bath Bea, clean bathroom, hoover upstairs, walk the dogs, feed Bea, feed me, generally do more chores in the afternoon, feed Bea, make Dinner, feed me and DH, tidy up, feed Bea, bed smile

I never seem to stop, I lost all of my pregnancy weight 2 days after the birth, and now I've lost another 5lbs. It's no wonder really, I'm like a fart in a spacesuit! smile

I've been making my way through the thread trying to catch up on everyone. Forgive me if I seem a bit lost with the conversation at first xx

tostaky Fri 22-Jun-12 20:00:35

I'm hoping I'm not talking too soon, but for the second evening in a row, baby fell asleep on his own in his Moses basket...!!
gringringrin

Is that a routine starting???!!!!

Will post more later after DS1 & 2 are in bed wink

tostaky Fri 22-Jun-12 21:11:57

Ok .... That is half a success... Ds1&2 are chatting in bed and DS3 woke up slightly and I had to feed him back to sleep...
Still, if I can have ds3 falling asleep at 7.30 on his own, that would be perfect as I would be able to bathe and read a story to the older two.
Shame it is the weekend though as DP is bound to mess up my still wobbly routine! Will have to brief him and neutralise him while DS3 fall asleep!!!
Thanks everybody who suggested that a routine was possible as such a young age, I would have never imagine this would be possible with ds1 or 2!!
Off to re-read your news, I'm on my phone and can't see the thread when I'm posting...

tostaky Fri 22-Jun-12 21:24:48

Wriggle - our babies have the same sleeping pattern! Waking up to feed at 1 and then awake between 4-5am...!
Hopefully it will improve soon!

Hi hippy, welcome! I very much like the name beatriz, and it's shorten version "bea". I have a Spanish friend called bea too smile. Please give me your weight loss secret!!! (unless it is "do not buy chocolate")

Sir Charles & hippy - don't you think sometimes it is easier without our husband because when they are here, thy can mess up the routine?!! If course, it is a million time better when thy are around but it really annoys me when DP ignore my routine because he wants to spend more time with the kids and then it makes it harder for me!!

Catsy - my downfall is coffee, so I drink decaf all day long but I keep thinking that all the decaf + all the cafein in the chocolate are probably too much for DS3... Maybe that is why he was unsettled a couple of weeks ago...

tostaky Fri 22-Jun-12 21:27:32

Littlesarah, hope sleep improve very soon for you!!! I know it is not easy!!

Catsy - loved your story about forgetting the buggy. I could totally do that too!!blush

Hi everyone, just checking in to say I'm still here, and keeping up with everyone's news. I just find it so hard to find time to post at the moment! Plus I still have a pile of thank you letters to write and birth announcents to send, and thank you's for dd1's presents (birthday and party a week ago). So I should do that really before I spend time writing in here!
Big day yesterday. Dd2 had to go in to have her tonsils out, so all quite stressful and emotional. Made more complicated by not being able to bring a newborn in, so had to leave dd3 with my parents from 7am to 8pm. They brought her to hospital at lunchtime to do one feed in a public waiting room, but she had to have bottles the rest of the day. Poor dd2 is quite poorly. Operation went well, but she was very lethargic / unresponsive for some of the afternoon. I guess it's just how anaesthetic affected her. She now has to stay in with us, no socialising or going into public enclosed spaces for 2 weeks. So she will be v.bored by week 2 I think.
Today I have DH's family all visiting for lunch, with a sick child and newborn to care for, house is v.messy, not sure how we will get it all sorted in the next few hours. Bad timing - but they had this date booked in before we got the operation call-up and they can't all do a different date so are still keen to come.... Will be glad when today's over.
Sorry to moan, this is very me, me, me.
Hope you got a bit more sleep last night littlesarah, very sympathetic about the tiredness. Unfortunately, I don't have any great solutions to offer....hopefully time and development will change the pattern sooner rather than later for you.

goodname Sat 23-Jun-12 15:02:08

Oh littlesarah our finns sound a bit too similar. My Finn is also very good at sleeping in the daytime and tends to have long awake periods at night. I dont know how to change it but think it might have something to do with him being a windy wee soul. In the day he gets carried around in the sling a lot and help upright while at night I expect him to sleep flat so he seems to be struggling to pump or poo by half way through the night. I am hoping this will sort itself out as I dont know what to do about it. I also think the sudden quiet when ds1 goes to bed is slightly unsettling for him as he is used to it all day. Sometimes he wakes up the moment the quiet starts. He is asleep in his vibrating chair just now.
I am tired but coping only because DH does not work long hours, I do not know how all of you with dhs working away etc cope if you dont have help, especially with two young ones.
We are settling into a bit of a routine just now, in that ds wakes about 5.30 feeds grunts and moans for an hour or two and usually goes back to sleep just before ds1 wakes up at 7ish. I get up with DS1 (unless DH is not at work smile). We try and get breakfast and get ready before ds2 gets up again but sometimes he wakes up or hasnt got to sleep properly in the first place. If he stays sleeping he can sleep til 11. Ds1 and I play til he wakes up, ds2 wakes up feeds, is awake for a wee while then gets cranky and wants to sleep again so we go out with baby in sling for a walk (sometimes pushing lazyds2 in the buggy). Baby sleeps in sling while we play more. Baby wakes up feeds, sometimes we go out and do something (library, soft play with a friend, visit grandparents etc), Come home put baby to sleep, get dinner sorted, dh comes home about 5. Baby wakes up when dinner ready so I cant eat. Feed baby, baby haas wee nap until ds goes to sleep at 7. Baby wakes up for longest time sometimes til 9, sometimes til 11. baby sleeps wakes up twice in night, day begins again. Sorry that was a bit longwwinded and makes me feel tired thinking about it. Generally I do all chores and get sorted for the next day after ds1 in bed and dh looking after finn. I try to do mega abouts of washing and sorting at the weekends so there is not too much to do during the week but that doesnt always work.
What does everyone elses days look like?
totatsky tried cutting out caffiene altogether in my diet with ds 1 as he was such a bad sleeper but it made no difference at all. So this time round I drink copious amounts to go with my chocolate consumption smile
Had 3 single childless friends around last night while dh was out. Was quite funny as they all sat around looking exhausted complaining about their tough days, while I felt quite ok and made dinner put kids to bed etc as they all lay on the couches smile. Couldnt help thinking what wimps they were considering the amount of sleep I am getting. Was really good to have some company and think about things other than babies though.

Catsycat Sat 23-Jun-12 19:47:46

Tostaky Sir Charles & hippie my DH also works away - usually he leaves about 5am on a monday and gets back round 9pm on wednesday or thursday. I also find things go a bit awry when he is here. DD1 and DD2 are definitely naughtier when he is here (I think they are trying to monopolise his attention on the basis that if he is telling them off they have all his focus - otherwise he does nice things with them, and they have to share him! confused). Zuleika has even been more unsettled since he got back - so annoying, but must be coincidence at 4 weeks old, surely????? Tostaky like the idea of "neutralising" DH!!! Made me smile - how are you planning to acheive this???

MrsHoarder sometimes I find myself looking forward to the chores. I think I've gone wrong! Glad to hear you got time for hot tea during your day out smile

LittleSarah you must be so tired sad Hope you are OK, and things improve for you soon.

Lucky so sorry to hear about DD2 being poorly - sounds very stressful indeed. Hope lunch went OK - you're very brave, think I would have cancelled regardless!

Wriggle have caved and bought the fennel tea, though haven't drunk any yet (don't remember liking it that much!). Z has been really flatulent the last couple of days. I have been on antibioitics for the last 3 weeks though, so I wonder if that has had a bearing. Finished the last tablet this morning, so hoping things improve!

Enjoy your saturday evening everyone smile

Bodeccia Sat 23-Jun-12 20:24:01

Evening all

Look at me rocking my Saturday night in front of the computer, I'm so hard core (not)

I hope things are more settled for you littlesarah, sometimes I have really good nights, sometimes really crap ones.

I am waiting to see what little faux pas I do, catsy, I'm sure there will be plenty. I'm glad no one went off with your chassis (I would have the same story except I would take 5 minutes trying to collapse mine in front of the other ladies, looking even more like the thing wasn't mine...)

Hi hippie, make yourself at home, love the name Bea, very cute smile

wriggle: how is your wrist?

luckynumer11: hope your day with the family wasn't too knackering, sorry to hear about your DD2's op. I hope she gets well soon.

goodname: I have been relishing non-baby talk recently. I love coming on here, even if I don't post every time, but it is also nice to think about something else.

Respect to all those whose DH/Ps are away for some of the time. Especially those who have more than one LO to look after.

I've been wondering what to do about routines at the moment. I go from thinking it is better to let something emerge organically from A's needs (she's only 5 weeks after all), to trying to guide her to having 4 or 5 hours sleep in the day to encourage sleeping at night. I've been trying to get her feeding in more blocks of time rather than, like, all the time (as she was doing).

And I've been feeling like I've not been doing myself any favours with how I'm getting her to sleep: apparently I'm supposed to be getting her to settle herself to sleep, that is the "golden rule".

Can you tell I've been reading books? I only ever get anxious about what I'm doing when I read the flipping books.

The result is that today I have been trying to get her to settle in her cot. Well, she's now had about 1 hour's sleep since 7.30am. She's not grumpy and over tired, she's totally normal. It is as if she just doesn't need sleep (although I know she must be sleep deprived). I really don't get it.

The only thing that has been good about reading books, is that I feel more reassured about co-sleeping. I am a bit bored of the raised eyebrows when I mention to friends that we're all in one bed at the moment. But the books (well the ones I read anyway) say that it is all good. So, I remain confused but more resolute that I should just stick with what feels right.

FWIW, these are the books I've been reading, they're not bad actually. They make me far less anxious than the books by she-who-must-not-be-named.

The Wonder Weeks

Your baby week by week

One last bit of exciting news: we are taking delivery of a second hand cot tomorrow! We're going to get a mattress (and I want to buy a mobile grin ), and we'll be able to have the side down as she sleeps next to us. This should hopefully make me feel more hopeful about not having a 5 year old in our bed in the future.

goodname Sat 23-Jun-12 22:51:58

I want to go to bed! sad

SirCharles Sat 23-Jun-12 22:58:17

Catsycat Tostaky & hippie ah, how lovely not to be the only one alone with a newborn, although this is my first and we are having BF /weight gain problems so it is a little fraught at times. My DH leaves on a Sunday afternoon, flies away and returns early Fri = around 730am. he does upset things when he getd back tho - camnnot get PFB to sleep in his cot when DH is here but works fine in the week!

enjoy the weekend.

tostaky Sat 23-Jun-12 23:56:13

Lol... What did I say... DS1 &2 went to bed one hour later than usual today and DS3 "routine"... Well let's just not talk about it...
All because of DP!!! grin
He doesn't work away But leaves the house at 6.30 every morning to be back only at 8.30pm... Crazy long hours.... Rarely he gets to see the children during the week. Sometimes early in the morning for 5-10 mins or sometimes in the evenings for a kiss and good night...

Tonight, we are not on speaking term because of football! He didn't help me during the match, he was glued to his computer screen.... So i decided not to talk to him after the kids were in bed and he went to sleep with them...! I know by breakfast tomorrow everything will be fine though, I just hate how he behave when there's a match... Glad its only a few weeks every other years though!!

Not sure whether there's a match tomorrow eve.... Hopefully not, so I can try with the routine again.

Ps: I was planning to "neutralise" him by keeping him busy with the train set and Legos...!!
Oh and I bought some organic nappies called "attitude"... Do not buy!!! It is a waste of money, poo and wee leak do much that someone could think you forgot to put a nappy on!

Right need to sleep now!!! smile

hippieshake Sun 24-Jun-12 09:18:39

I generally find that DH is quite unhelpful during the times he is at home. He leaves me to deal with Bea because he's often on the laptop or watching Euro 2012, then he complains that she 'doesn't know who he is'. I'm much more content when he is at work. I don't know if it's hormones or what, but I don't like him at all lately.

I've been getting Bea to settle on her own in her crib since we first came home. It was hard at first because she grunted and whinged to herself, but now she is fine with it, and it seems to work well.

Bodeccia Bea was sleeping a lot in the day and waking a lot at night. At first I thought I'd leave her to it and she'd settle into a routine eventually. Then on the advice of other MNers, I started to keep her awake after daytime feeds by bathing her, playing with her etc. Now we get a good 4 hours between feeds at night, meaning I only have to wake up once with her around 2am.

Tostaky I think my weight loss is a combination of only putting 17lbs on during my pregnancy, walking the dogs for miles everyday, and not having 5mins to sit down a day haha! Not something that I would recommend.

xx

Bodeccia Sun 24-Jun-12 10:37:09

Morning all

Sleep update: after a mammoth day yesterday with 1 hours worth of 10 minute catnaps, A went to sleep at 10pm, woke at 2.45am, then again at 5.30am and lastly at 8am. Not bad really. I'll keep doing it and see what happens, you've reassured me hippie smile

tostaky: I think my DH quite likes it when I don't speak to him... sigh

At times I have felt quite resentful to DH since A came along. I think it is because my world has completely changed, and his life has been relatively unaffected. He still has his routines (work, football, computer, mates) and his abilities (he can drive, go for a run and so on). I can't even go for a walk with A in the pram because there are no pavements where we live and the road is super busy! My life revolves around our bedroom, the room where my computer is, the bathroom, and sometimes the kitchen and sitting room. That's it. He gives up at the first obstacle (if he can't put on a specific babygrow, he says it is rubbish and gets out a new one), asks me where things are that are right in front of him etc. I think he's just a bit unconfident with A. I've had to just try things out and see if they work, it doesn't make me an expert.

I'm sure all this will change, I have my 6 week check on Friday. Hopefully I'll be able to drive and I won't feel so isolated.

Have a good Sunday everyone (hope it doesn't rain too much where you are)

cupcakefairy Sun 24-Jun-12 15:52:02

Hi ladies! Sorry not to post more often, never seem to have time but am always reading on my phone. Loving all your updates.
All going well here.. 11lbs11oz this morning at nearly 5 weeks grin and have now been discharged. Mw checked my stitches and said you would barely know they were there it was so well-fixed. Hooray! Have had no trouble with it at all and so far no incontinence issues. Though I know these can develop later i life confused so doing pelvic floor exercises like mad!
Still can't stop thinking about my next birth experience.. I know I should just put it out of my mind for a few years but I can't stop thinking about whether I would go for an elcs (having had episiotomy with ds1 and shoulder dystocia/big baby/third degree tear with ds2) or try again naturally. Meh..it seems so unfair that my friends who are adamant they're stopping at 2 have had v easy births..and I want lots of kids but have had a horrible time and a poor damaged perineum!

Anyway...enough of that...

wriggle sounds awful about your wrist! Hope it improves soon.

bode hope you can drive soon..is there a reason you can't yet? I thought most insurance companies were ok with cs ladies driving before the 6 weeks if they can do an emergency stop?

tostaky hate to break it to you but there's an england match tonight! (you've prob already been told by dp!) sorry your routines have gone slightly out the window but sounds like you're still doing pretty well. To have a colicky baby asleep for an evening is an achievement in itself! smile Mine is still going to sleep for the night at around 8pm...just one night this week of crying so we're definitely improving!
Still LOADS of poo at night here..sometimes up to 3 changes a night and sometimes leaking onto clothes too. Looking forward to that slowing down!!

lucky hope your dd2 is ok that sounds horrible sad must be hard her not being allowed to public places...for your sake I hope the weather is rubbish while she's confined!

goodname sounds like you have a busy day! You poor thing with ds1 not napping either...I look forward to it so much as I can sit down and relax!!
Our day is usually-
Ds1 up at 6.30, dh showers then gets ds1 breakfast and dressed while I shower.
Baby wakes around 8am when dh leaves for work. I have breakfast while ds1 watches a lot of cbeebies
9.15 we leave the house for playgroups
11.30am back home and both boys nap for around 2 hours while I have a blissful lunch and watch Grey's Anatomy DVDs do chores
1.30ish ds1 has lunch and we play while baby carries on sleeping. 2.30ish we go out for a walk/to the park etc. 5.30pm ds1 tea then in bed by 7...we have dinner then veg out before bed around 10.30pm.. all of course with lots of feeding baby in between... sorry that makes for very dull reading!!

goodname Sun 24-Jun-12 20:37:21

Cupcake that sounds very orgnised. My day is much more random. does the baby stay awake all morning or have another nap? Finn seems to need to go to sleep awfully soon after he has woken up and I am not sure if this is normal as ds1 was always v alert and never wanted to sleep sad
Any tips on how to get ds1 to nap? anyone? I have watched just one episode of my grays anatomy dvd since ds2 was born grr
so tired, finns sleeping is getting worse, he is soo full of wind

goodname Sun 24-Jun-12 20:42:51

oh also does anyone have tha facebook link? also i uploaded photos of finn to mu profile at last

cupcakefairy Sun 24-Jun-12 21:46:08

goodname Between 8 and 11.30ish baby just dozes on and off, not a proper sleep...goes into a proper deep sleep once we get home and I feed him and put him in moses basket.
Well this has been the case for 2 weeks anyway, of course I know it could all change at any moment but I've enjoyed joint nap time so far!! smile

As for getting your ds1 to nap.. would he understand the concept of a quiet time for an hour every day? Where he has to stay in bed but can look at books/play with toys if he doesn't want to sleep. This is what I plan on doing with my ds1 if he starts to drop naps so I still get a break! I think your ds1 is the same age as mine though (just turned 2) and they're not quite old enough to get that yet are they...but you could introduce it in a few months maybe.

goodname Mon 25-Jun-12 14:31:29

hmm he does not like to be alone, ever but he does like quiet time in his room reading books with me which is nice but not as good as a nap. He is actually asleep in the car today, i just kept driving til he went to sleep as last night was so tough i am wrecked today. unfortunately baby brother is awake but its better than nothing smile

Catsycat Mon 25-Jun-12 22:34:04

tostaky we've used Bambo Nature nappies with all of our 3 (once the shine wore off the washables with DD1!). They are eco-friendly, and are really good - no leaks at all with DD3 yet, even after some very long sleeps. There was the odd leak with DD2, but only because she pooed every 6 days or so, and nothing could contain that shock! I order them in bulk from Naturebotts or Big Green Smile, but Naturebotts also do trial packs. The nappies are also really soft and comfortable (tmi, but actually I had one in my knickers for the drive to hospital when my waters broke, and it was both more absorbant and more pleasant on the skin than most pads!!!!). We did try the Moltex ones with DD1, but they were a bit stiff, and we didn't get on with them as well.

Although DH's presence seems to wreck the routine, he doesn't mean to, and is as annoyed / bemused about it as me (we are consistent in the way we parent together / apart - it is the DDs who seem to subvert it!). Also, when DD3 is harder to settle when he is here, he actually does stay up with her and does his share, ditto with the older two when they are naughty. He always had babies around when he was growing up - he has two much older sisters, who have 9 children between them, one of whom lived with his mum and dad when she had her first (she didn't get on with her DH), so when we had DD1 he was much more confident than me around her! smile

cupcake you sound very organised! Glad all is well smile

goodname our routine is much more random. I get up / ready depending on when DD3 was fed overnight, and what I have planned for the day. Some days are very relaxed, like today, but tomorrow will be a military operation as there is nursery, DD1's second school visit, and one of my friends is coming over at about 9.30am - lots of going in and out of town, and times to keep to. As to daytime naps for the older DC, DD1 still had afternoon naps after the age of 3 - we used to get her to go to sleep by driving around in the car for up to 20 minutes. We could get her to sleep pretty much every day. DD2 is 2 1/2 and has not had regular afternoon naps for a good few months. She will occasionally fall asleep on car journeys, or if she is sitting quietly in front of the TV, but actual attempts on our part to put her to sleep generally don't work. She hasn't had a side on her bed since about 20 months old, so if she isn't tired, she just gets out of bed and either wreaks havoc or comes downstairs (depending on if the stair gate is open or closed!). Hope you find a way to watch more Grays Anatomy soon!!!

DD3 slept for 6 hours on saturday night, but we didn't get to enjoy it as DD2 re-arranged the stool, potty etc in the girls' bathroom, DD1 felt ill at about 5am, needed the toilet but couldn't get to it due to DD2's work angry, and ended up pooing copiously on the floor and screaming! DH was a star and cleaned it up (I was nearly gagging!) but we were both awake by then... Hoping the long night sleeps get more frequent - twice in a week wasn't bad!

Wrigglebum Mon 25-Jun-12 23:07:09

Adam had his first lot of injections today- boy did he scream! Calmed down pretty quickly and was really awake and alert afterwards. I hope he doesn't get any nasty side effects. Have to book him in for the next lot in only 4 weeks, and then another lot 4 weeks after. After that it will be only 3 months until ds1 has his preschool booster and second mmr- we're going to spend a lot of time at the surgery! Anyone else had the joy of the jabs yet?

LittleSarah Tue 26-Jun-12 13:23:44

goodname - Our situations do sound similar! I too have a random lifestyle at the moment, not getting out a whole lot to be honest. Yesterday I felt like I'd on the go all day, laundry, dishes, made soup, but really felt I'd done v little at the end of it. Dd's hols start tomorrow tho so will be off to soft play in the am.

Finn too loves the sling, I tried to put him in moses basket three times yesterday morning and he was up in ten mins each time, finally gave in and he slept in sling all afternoon! He did do over an hr in moses basket today tho.

Had 6 week check with HV and Finn fine (now 9lb 4oz) but I had 'borderline' score on Edinburgh scale. Not depressed just have low moments due to the manic-ness of three children, not getting enough done, exhaustion, etc. I totally get the whole tied to house/baby thing while dh far less affected bodeccia. I'm used to it but with a young baby it is really intense. I want to get Finn to take expressed milk from bottle soonish so I can at least get occasional hour or two away but it is never the same as being able to pop out last minute etc or go to a regular class/outing without massive pre planning/organisation.

catsy sounds like an interesting Saturday night for you! Glad dd3 is sleeping well though!

wriggle - no jags yet, not looking forward to all that! Guess just have to get on with it...

hippie - Love the routine, oooh the joys of just one wink. One thing that annoys me about my dh is that even though I am very tired in the evenings I still want some adult chat whereas he - also tired - would happily nap on the sofa for most of the night. He also gives up too quickly when Finn cries too much ('he never cries like that with you') but have decided to be firmer from now on. Time to man up Mr Weesaidie!

Thanks for all kind comments re the sleeping, was better for a couple of days then up for an hour at 4.30 this morning. Not terrible really but still feel so tired. Just waiting it out.

Right, nearly half one and haven't sorted bedroom or put washing on! Off I go.

Littlerayofsunshine Tue 26-Jun-12 14:40:50

Hi All, DD2 arrived on 30.05.12.

All is going well, breastfeeding is completely painfree this time (thumbs up bonus!) had ten weeks of pain with DD1 but fed until 13.5m. smile
DD1 adores DD2, I just have to have eyes in the back of my head as she's only 20months and thinks shes a dolly sometimes !

How are you all finding things? anyone raising alone? I am right now... difficult situation but it'll all be back to normal in October...

We still continue playgroups about 3 times a week, but have nice lazy days at home too where we do messy play/ snuggle up with dvds etc.

DD1 sleeps through luckily, has done since 12months. DD2 is doing very well at night (well I think so) she only wakes once really. some nights we have 10-4/10-430/or she'll do 7-1am then up at 6 ish..

I have noticed that she seems too tired to feed in the evenings some nights, and fusses a bit. and she also doesnt like to burp - greedy guts! smile she was born 8lb1.5oz and las thurs she was 9lb 11. must have good milk!

Sorry I am completely talking a load off bull crap now. . . . .

ballroompink Wed 27-Jun-12 10:37:39

Sarah it's amazing how much planning needs to go into a trip out now isn't it? I don't drive so the amount of time I have to factor in to get to places on the bus is ridiculous!

Wrigglebum our jabs are in two weeks' time - got the letter on Monday. Hope Adam is still okay and hasn't had any nasty side effects.

We had six week check-ups yesterday. I was a bit bemused by my bit of the check-up - the nurse basically took my BP, weighed me, asked if I smoked or drank, and asked if I was breastfeeding. She said she didn't need to see my notes, didn't ask about my stitches or general recovery etc. It's a good job I feel fine! Found out that I am four pounds heavier than my weight at my booking appointment so pretty happy with that. Anyone else feel as if their appointment was a bit odd?

Sebastian wasn't impressed by his physical examination! We have all had colds and he is really snuffly, poor thing. He's had a few fussy nights of late and I put it down to a growth spurt which I think was correct - he's 9lb 13oz now and had gained 1lb 4oz in 13 days!

tostaky Wed 27-Jun-12 15:59:52

Hello....
I'm with you on the random life!!! Nothing really much planned except playdates and a vague idea of what to do for dinner..!

My six week check is next week and I'm a bit sad about it... Without going into details I think I have a uterine prolapse and still a bad case of haemorrhoids unless it is something else...sad we will see... I'm doing my pelvic floor exercises as much as I can, I'm also planning to post natal Pilate which apparently is v good for prolapse...amongst other things.
I think I've hit the stage where I no longer feel "post natal" but rather "full time mummy" iykwim. I'm starting to take more care about my appearance and about getting some kind of organised life back!

One thing made me laugh earlier, I was browsing pictures of DS1 when he was born and on every picture he is screaming!!! Just like DS3...

Currently at hospital to check baby's prolonged jaundice. I think he is ok.

Hope everybody is ok smile

cupcakefairy Wed 27-Jun-12 17:37:47

Oh god tostaky I worry so much about prolapse..I never even knew it existed til I read about it on mn.. the things we go through for these babies. Anytime I feel any kind of pressure or weird feeling down there I worry about it..a few weeks after having ds1 I asked the gp to check me & she said I had quite good tone.. but I might ask her again this time considering the whole third degree tear thing! hope your check puts your mind at rest.

cupcakefairy Wed 27-Jun-12 18:45:36

Ooh also forgot to say hi to littleray so glad you're getting on ok..can't be easy by yourself.
My ds is just 24 months & also needs to be watched near baby! Eye poking and fingers in mouth has happened so far..he's too quick for me!

Also wondering what happened to limeflower is she on the facebook group? Last I read on the an thread she hadn't popped yet so tell us your news if you're lurking lime!

Catsycat Thu 28-Jun-12 15:08:30

Just popped in to say hi smile

wriggle hope all was well after the jabs. ballroom we must have our jabs a few days after you (two weeks tuesday). If Z is anything like DD1 and DD2, she'll scream solidly for the 10 minutes we have to sit in the waiting room, then stop as soon as we leave.... never had any bad effects afterwards, so I'm hoping this time will be good too. I have my 6 week check on monday. At 9.10am. With all 3 DDs in tow. What am I thinking? confused I'll have to get up about 5 am to make it!!!! I always get very extensively quizzed about contraception at the check up, so I guess it'll be the same this time!

tostaky I also worry about prolapse any time I feel any pressure! I hope you are OK, and it turns out to be nothing/easliy sorted!!! Also hoping the jaundice is not a problem.

littleray hello! Congratulations on your baby smile ballroom DD2 is very physical with Z. She adores her, but often "gives" her toys (in her mouth, on her head, randomly dropped in the moses basket). She loves to grab her head and pull hug her, especially when I'm feeding her. It is really annoying when I've jsut settled her in her chair or on a mat, to suddenly hear her screaming, and see DD2 leaning over her.... angry So unreasonable of me to want to cook their tea, go to the toilet, answer the phone etc! Never had this with DD1 when DD2 was born, even though the age gap is the same. DD2 is generally being a bit of a terror at the moment, it's a good job she's so cute!

Russki Thu 28-Jun-12 18:47:36

bodeccia - feel my situation is not a million miles away from yours - feel quite isolated at home, mainly bc i live in the Middle East at the mo, and it's too darn hot to take a baby out for walks between 10 and 5, and we live in the hilliest place imaginable, so spend most of the time at home - watching old spooks episodes on my laptop... but i'm starting to meet other mums, and feel a bit more positive about doing nothing... or feeling as if i am doing nothing.

Immensely jealous of those who getting long sleeps - little R (5 and a half weeks) is carousing until 11ish at night, sleeps till about 2.30, then till 4.30, then till 5.30, when she usually won't settle, until husband takes her off for a couple of hours after a feed around 7 am.. i am exhausted, and long for the day when it's actually a joy to go to bed.. but i AM wondering how to get her to sleep longer at night, and am contemplating adding a bottle of formula for the last feed at 11pm, rather than bf, and should I be putting her to bed earlier?

Had a minor scare yesterday when little R wrapped one of my hairs tightly around her finger and thumb so that it was cutting off circulation and her fingers were bulging - after my husband read on internet that she could lose her inger, we rushed to dr's surgery last night, feeling a bit foolish that we couldn't remove the hair ourselves...

LimeFlower Thu 28-Jun-12 21:38:50

Hello everybodysmile
Was going to reintroduce myself to this thread so many times but hardly any time for a laptop.

Thanks for remembering cupcake smile

Decided to distance myself from this thread at the beginning-I didn't have much to say to all of you who already have had their babies and I was still waiting,waiting and waiting... and the "haven't you popped yet" coming from everywhere didn't help my frustration

EDD of 25th of May has passed,June has started and not a hoot from my little one when s/he was going to appear.Got to 41+6 and got to the hospital for induction.My consolation was quite easy labour-pill to soften the cervix in the evening,light cramping though the night,wheeled out to the labour suite after 8 in the morning,baby born at 11:30 on 7th of June.We've got a wee boy (so my gut instinct was right,not to mention scientific research involving baking powder wink ),called him Fraser,he was weighing 7lb11oz.Ended with episiotomy which has healed already and lost a bit of blood so they kept me in for a few days.

Hardly any time for a laptop now between feeds-trying to catch up with some sleep and the chores.MIL kindly offered to come couple of times a week and give me a hand,which is fantastic.

Fraser is lovely wee chap,he's got lots of hair and huge blue eyes.Still in the process of getting know each other,so we need to work out ourselves.I'm still freaking out sometimes why he's crying and what's wrong with him-obviously him being my first I have no clue and no experience but learning fast.

Must say got a shock of my life having him,I knew it wasn't going to be easy but never thought it would be so hard-talk to me about trapped gas,colics and the other things like baby screaming till 2 am or nipples so sore that I cried everytime he latched on.

Hope everything's going fine for all of you,I hope I'll manage to catch up with all of you a bit more often,right now it's still very early days for me-some of your babies are nearly 2 months old,mine is just 3 weeks today.

Take care everybody x

goodname Thu 28-Jun-12 22:37:32

Oh Limeflower, that really reminds me of when ds1 was born, it does get easier though it can feel like it is taking forever, glad you are getting some help from your MIL, accept any offers you get.
We had our jags last thursday and no ill effects just a nice sleepy baby all day same as ds1. Kind of wish they had them more often as it leads to a peaceful day (only joking of course)
Ds1 is also very physical with the baby, he really loves him and is always trying to pull him out of bed or wake him up. I found him feeding the baby cake the other day and he has tried to feed him uncooked rice and crisps shock
Babys sleep is getting better and worse, the evenings are hellish just now but he is awake for shorter periods in, more of them though. All in all I am getting enough sleep to stop myself going crazy (which was not the case with ds1) but not enough to feel exactl refreshed smile

Catsycat Thu 28-Jun-12 22:39:43

Hi Lime congratulations, and lovely to hear from you. Sounds like all is going pretty well (apart from the sore nipples - ouch!!).

Russki scary about the hair - Z is always wrapping her fingers up in my hair too - might start tying it back after hearing this!

tostaky Fri 29-Jun-12 09:21:14

sad I posted a reply this morning but it got lost in cyberspace... sad

Will update later - have a great day everybody and hello to little ray and limeflower!

SirCharles Sat 30-Jun-12 06:06:24

hello to little ray and limeflower!!

does anyone know if i should be concerned by green seedy poos? j=had a whole day of it when they are usually yellow or mustard....

Catsycat Sat 30-Jun-12 09:36:22

SirCharles We had some of the weird green stuff last week - it coincided with nasty wind and tummy pain, went away when the wind did. Infacol and vile fennel tea (4 mugs a day for me sad, 5ml for Z before last feed at night) seemed to help, though obv could just be coincidence. Oh, and I let the tea go cold and drink it in as few gulps as possible, like nasty medecine!!!! If you're worried, would mention it to the gp / hv though.

Yorky Sat 30-Jun-12 10:49:06

I'm back, haven't been on for ages.
Hope everyone's nipples are calming down and you're managing adequate sleep most nights at least!

Pippa is beautiful and growing far too fast for my liking - had to get the 3-6month bag down from the loft already sad She's had her 1st jabs which she didn't enjoy but didn't seem to suffer too badly after them fortunately. Her big brothers love her to bits so I have to be careful leving her under the baby gym as I tend to find 3kids under there a minute later!

DH found out 2wks ago that the RAF are making him redundant, which wasn't a surprise but still gutting. However, he has a job to go to and his own business seems to be picking up so we don't feel totally irresposible taking the redundancy money and using it for an extension on the house?! If anyone wants to follow the progress DH (geek!) has made a FB page called project extension and the more likes we get the more publicly the builders will have to stick to their quotes!

Will try and keep up with you all better from now on smile

Nicr1 Sat 30-Jun-12 23:30:57

My baby was due on the 14th May however didn't arrive until 27th May! I was induced I didn't need the gel but had a few sweeps to move it along. After 16 hrs of being induced with the help of the epidural ( which was recommended by the doc). I had a few internals and the last 1 i was 8 cm however the head would not engage which the doc did not know why. After being hooked up to the oxytocin for 16 hrs the doc said were not progressing and didnt look like it will. My LO eventually arrived on the Sunday morning by c-section. To our amazement our LO weighed in at 11lbs 3oz, no wonder his head would not engage!

SirCharles Sun 01-Jul-12 01:34:00

thx catsy will mention it to HV

SESthebrave Mon 02-Jul-12 20:05:08

Hello! Another one re-introducing myself.

LimeFlower - lovely to see your update on here having waited together on the overdue thread. Be reassured that my Aoife is 2 days you get than your Fraser - she arrived in the end on 9th June!

Aoife is still to regain her birth weight but she was 9lb11 when born and at the last weigh in last Wednesday was 9lb6 so she's not a million mile off.

Our biggest challenge is helping 3.0yo DS to adjust. He's not being really naughty as such but pushing boundaries, pretending to be a baby himself and then twice today he said "I not want baby anymore". Made me v sad

Sorry not to post more individual responses but laptop broken at the moment so catching up via phone. Hope everyone else is doing well though.

goodname Mon 02-Jul-12 20:24:40

SES last week my ds1 who is 2 said " I need another baby, I need baby murray (this is my friends baby whom we had spent the day with), baby murray quiet! I asked what we should do with our baby (who does cry quite a lot) and his reply was "put him in the garden". When I said we couldnt have baby murray as he was Jacks baby brother, he asked if we could have baby millie (his cousin). He does love his brother most of the time though.
I am so fed up with this rain, Fergus loves it though, was covered from head to toe in mud today when we went out for a walk. I need to get a waterproof cover for the sling and some new wellies as my summer purchases this year I think sad

Catsycat Mon 02-Jul-12 20:42:24

Yorky sorry about the redundancy, but fab that you're getting your extension. We also often end up with 3 under our baby gym! Glad Pippa is doing well smile

Nicr1 wow - 11lb 3oz!!! Congratulations!

SES good to see you! Poor DS! One of my friend's DS did ask when the baby was going back, a few weeks after his sister was born! Think it's quite common, but sad though.

Had a lovely day yesterday - went out in the morning to see the Olympic Torch come through Evesham. It was really nice - there is such a lovely community here, everyone is really friendly - made me feel quite proud of our little town!!! There was a Sports Festival in the meadow by the river, and DD1 was doing her duck dance there with her freestyle class (yes, she has a fluffly duck costume too!). They all did really well. Afterwards, there was much time spent on the bouncy castle and inflatable slide, had a nice lunch together in a cafe, fed the ducks, went to the play park, had ice cream etc. Just a lovely family day. The rainy weather managed to hold off too, and the sun came out in the afternoon - I ended up getting sunburnt blush.

Today I took DD1 and DD2 for their swimming lessons, then the HV came to do DD2s 2.5 year check. A few things came up at the normal level for 2.5 yrs, the linguistic stuff came out at the 3 years level, and the visual category came up at 4 yrs. Really pleased, as I don't feel I've spent as much time with her as I did with DD1, and was feeling very a bit guilty!!! DD3 was weighed and is now 11lb 7oz at 6 weeks. Need to go and feed her now!

SESthebrave Mon 02-Jul-12 21:00:57

Hello goodname and CatsyCat smile

I think it is quite a common sibling response but it really tugs at my heart strings! DH did say that he asked DS if he loved Aoife and DS said yes. One of my friends also said to DS the other day "Shall intake Aoife home with me?" I was a bit shock that she said it to him but DS was adamant that Aoife was staying with us. I take some comfort from that!
My mum is round a lot at the moment - helping a bit and also acting as chauffeur until I can drive again after the CS. She seems to be aggravating DS though but she'll be offended if I tell her. I'm hoping to be able to drive again from next Tues (will be 4wks since CS on Saturday) and hoping that will help "dilute" my mum and get out and about for DS activities a bit more.

CatsyCat - your day yesterday sounds lovely smile

Yorky Tue 03-Jul-12 14:20:15

Sympathy to all those with very overdue babies - I remember how long the 'extra' 11 days with DS2 were! Hope you're recovering well now and getting used to each other, and looking forward to the 1st lot of jabs sad , seemed so odd that DS2 was having his first lot after some of the babies on his AN thread had had their 2nd!

I can't remember what my older DC did when, is anyone else's DC spending quite a long time happily bashing things on the toy arch? or does Pippa just realise she needs to entertain herself until the older siblings are in bed, then she gets her turn?! I'm sure DC1 wasn't this self sufficient!

If anyone is interested in watching how we spend DH redundancy money here is the link to the FB page!

LimeFlower Tue 03-Jul-12 14:28:24

goodname some people offer help,come to your house sit on their backsides and expect to be served tea,refreshments and to be entertained.Oh yes,they can hold the baby when he's asleep,the minute he starts to cry "off you go to your mummy".Stick your help you know where,no,it's not convenient for you to come.
Thank goodness there are more people offering help and meaning it but trying to avoid the empty promise makers.

Your episode wth DS and the baby reminded me of my sister and me told by my mother-my sister is 5 years older,my mum was sitting at the kitchen table and i was asleep peacefully (or so she thought)in the adjacent room.Next thing my sister appears at the door dragging me by my leg on the floor asking "mum,why this doll doesn't open her eyes?"

Catsy sore nipples are thankfully a thing of the past-sod the lansinoh so much advertised even by midwife,the best thing is to squeeze a bit of milk after finishing feeding and let it dry off.Such a pity mw never told me that.The thing that she said was to try to leave my breasts exposed at home-was hoping that nobody was going to knock the door and me accidentally opening with my assets out...after that I doubt that DH will ever see me as object of desire againhmm

SirCharles hope you found the answre to your poopy question-if your baby id bf it might be due to processing lots of foremilk-watery and rich in lactose which is the primary cause for a green poop.

Yorky at least your DH has a job to go to and the business so it's not too bad.Go for the extension when you have money and opportunity.

Nicr1 that's some size of the baby!

Hello SES,nice to see you my overdue whinging buddygrin i was looking for a link on may antenatal thread when i was pg and came across my own post predicting a couple of June babies-oh,the irony,little I knew about I was going to have one of them...

tostaky happened to me so many times that i write the post as mail and then copy and paste it when I'm ready.This way if I get kicked out the post is still in my computer.

LimeFlower Tue 03-Jul-12 14:52:55

Fraser's feeding just now so managed to sneak to my laptop.He hasn't pooped since last night so I'm dreading what's coming...Was going to take him out in the pram but knowing the sod's law he'll poop immediately after leaving the house.
He outgrew his first sleepsuits-his legs are too long for newborn ones so he's in 0-3 which are good in length but too wide.
Yesterday he gripped the edge of changing mat and tried to turn into his side.

Could somebody please explain to me the purpose of vests?I find sleepsuits much easier,one outfit and that's it, vests require trousers and socks so more fiddly to deal with.Or am I missing something?Unfortunately we got loads of them as gifts.

Recovering from mastitis now-on antibiotics,gosh,that was dreadful.Went down very quickly,couldn't even see the redness as it was underneath and on the side of my breast.Of course never thought about looking into the mirror.

HV comes tomorrow,she's fine but a bit OTT at some times.

A bit private question-when did your lochia stopped?It will be 4 weeks on Thursday since i"ve given birth and still using pads.A few times nearly nearly finished and then came back again.

Right then ladies,now I have discovered when to use the laptop so hopefully will catch with you more often from now on-that's if somebody's not too wriggly.

Take care,hope you'll have easy and peaceful daysmile

cupcakefairy Tue 03-Jul-12 15:06:36

lime my bleeding stopped at around 3 weeks but I also had it coming and going like you describe..think it's when you're more active it starts up heavier. My baby is 6 weeks today and I've got my period (ballroom think it was you asking about that before & I said I'd had same for my ds1.. well same again for ds2 even though I'm bfing constantly.. oh well!)
Anyway lime sounds like you're doing brilliantly.. yes try to fend off unhelpful guests!!

goodname I think my ds1 is starting to drop naps.. only fallen asleep in car recently.. yesterday we lay in mine & dh's bed for a bit while I fed Seb.. he didn't fall asleep but was a nice rest so might be worth you doingthat with your ds1?

yorky sorry about your dh's job but how exciting about the extension! Good luck with it. Seb isn't hitting toys yet but just stares at them (but he is a month younger than pippa)

catsy you live in Evesham? Such a lovely place, I used to go on a Summer camp there when I was about 11 smile

LittleSarah Tue 03-Jul-12 15:37:00

Hmmmm, everyone here sounds so much more productive than me! blush Ds2 still loving sleeping in the sling so I do tend to spend a lot of time on my feet but apart from usual, laundry, dishes, dinner, I haven't been doing much. Night sleeping is still difficult, some nights ok (last night), some nights bad (night before last, pacing from midnight til 2am and then he still woke up 4 and 6.30 for feeding...

I have a feeling if things keep on like this I may have to try and start encouraging some kind of routine. Previously dd and ds just fell into one. They were happy to nap in moses basket so could let them sleep there and they usually did so at fairly similar times, and so on. I don't know how to get an unwilling child into a routine... any advice?

Yorky - woo, an extension! We are kind of bursting out of our house but just big enough for five. My FIL wants an extension because apparently a three bedroom house is too small for him, his wife and baby son! Ds is always under the play mat, snuggling into ds2, which is a little too close to suffocating for comfort!

Hello to limeflower, SES and Nic! Congrats!

Catsy - Well done to your dd2! We have been a bit worried about ds1's language as seems behind but talking to hv it seems fine as long as he is progressing. Actually looked at 3yr checklist and he was doing it all, even language stuff so I don't think it is an issue. I talk to him all the time so I hope I'm not to blame!

One of my bosses emailed me the other day, this is the one who always seems fairly uninterested in me (at best), eg, no good luck when I went on mat leave or congrats on birth of baby... anyway she was offering me work! Another organisation she works with is looking for comms support two days a week and would I like to do?? Lol. Very good news! Anyway I'm not sure it is definite yet but it would be great to have more work, would need to get some childcare though (come Nov) as I would be pretty much full time.

Right, ds is asleep on sofa so I really should try and lie down, or tidy (??), but Finn is bound to wake up as soon as I do!

Wrigglebum Tue 03-Jul-12 19:36:27

Goodname- I got the wilkinet sling raincover last week and it's great. Fits on a wrap sling nicely and packs up pretty small. If it's really rainy you'll still need a brolly though as the rain would come down between you and the baby iyswim.

Poor Adam has been very unsettled today- bringing up a lot of milk and very windy. Even the sling hasn't calmed him. We get days like this every now and then so hopefully he'll be back to normal tomorrow.

We've had some fantastic sleeps from him! The last five nights he has gone pretty much 8pm until 4am! Other than that he feeds pretty much every 1 1/2 to 2 hours, plus almost constantly from 5pm, but I can live with that to get that long stretch of sleep.

Bleeding- mine stopped very quickly, after about five days, then came back when I started to get more active again post CS. Finally stopped just after four weeks. Been feeling a bit emotional last couple of days so hope it's not my periods returning! Didn't get it back until 9 months before, about 3 days after I finished feeding ds1.

Littlerayofsunshine Wed 04-Jul-12 08:53:33

Hi All.

How are you all? DD2 is 5 weeks old today. goes so fast doesnt it?? Remember her birth so vividly - it was amazing & very quick. exactly one hour to the minute. and thankfully didnt have a pph like with DD1.

Finding it good with the two of them. we have moments... but doing ok considering.

Does anyone else find that their LO doesn't burp as easy at night (early hour feed)?

Ladybee Wed 04-Jul-12 11:18:21

Hello! Just checking in again, s'been ages and I have no chance of catching up so I'm just going to jump back in and attempt to keep up a bit more than previously.
DD is 10 weeks now, she's chubbing up and I think possibly going through another bit of spurt or something. She's been sleeping long stretches for a few weeks, which is great (would be better if I actually went to bed early too) but not doing so great with the naps. She had been fine with re-settling for a longer nap duration, but recently seems to be finding it harder so is only having about 45 minutes for any one nap. She doesn't have a problem re-settling at night, so not sure what's going on there, tomorrow I should be able to be at home over lunch so will have a go at persuading her to re-settle around lunch time.
Evenings are better though - for those struggling with unsettled evenings it did just get better quite suddenly, she started falling asleep around 9, then 8, and now it's as soon after 7 as I can get to her after saying goodnight to DS.
The dinner/bath/bed bit is still completely chaotic, I do it solo most nights and have tried various timings, someone always seems to lose out - mainly DS as I can explain to him. Which then makes me feel guilty at more disruption to his life.
Anyone who has a good pattern for that time of the day, please share grin

Cydonia Thu 05-Jul-12 02:25:56

Catsycat can I ask you a question? What does the fennel tea do? My DS is 6 weeks now, he had the green poo thing a couple of weeks ago, it cleared up but is now back with a vengeance! He's quite explosive with it too and uncomfortable passing it. He also suffers from colic/trapped wind and I've read all about the fore and hind milk thing, trying to feed him accordingly to improve things but seems to be getting worse, not better sad

Does the fennel tea help with wind?

Really impressed with all you mums with more than one LO, I don't know how you do it! Some good sleeping going on too, very jealous. DS seems to sleep for one 3hr ish block a night then is up again almost hourly, takes ages to get him back to sleep after a night feed.
Every day seems to be different so it's hard to try and get into any kind of a routine! Is it too early to have a 'bedtime'? I never know what to do for the best in the evening, DS usually falls asleep about 8 or 9 ish, I have been keeping him downstairs for this 'nap' but then it ends up being midnight when he wakes and I've got to feed, change and try and get him to sleep again! Just wondering if I should try putting him to bed earlier with the monitor or whether it's too early to be separated from him? ( thinking of the SIDS guidelines? ) What does everyone else do?

Whoops that turned into a ramble, sorry! On the plus side, DS has fallen asleep so it's back to bed for us...

MrsHoarder Thu 05-Jul-12 06:36:50

Cydonia I go to bed when DS does atm. We aim to go to bed for the night at 9, and are now almost always asleep by 10. Then I can have breakfast and chill in bed for a few hours before he wakes up in the morning, which feels positively luxurious.

This also means that by the time he's onto 2-hourly wakes I've had a good solid sleep, and am pottering/reading and happy to be interrupted.

Ladybee Thu 05-Jul-12 12:17:04

Cydonia I think you could consider the 8-9 as a bedtime. DD started off going to bed around then and it very gradually has come forward to about 7 or 7:30. You could still keep him with you until you're happy to go to bed. I don't change DD after she's had her bath and been changed into her sleepsuit, unless it's obvious that she's done a poo during the night, which is pretty rare.

I have always put DD in her bassinet in our room for her sleep, unless we're out and about. The guidance here in NZ doesn't emphasize same room sleep for naps, just for nighttime sleep, but I have a monitor on and DD is a noisy sleeper. I'm in and out while she sleeps as well. But there's no reason for you to stop having her start her nighttime sleep with you, if that is what you want to do. I'd just do a bathtime routine, get him settled however you can and then transfer at some point. Possibly before he wakes for his first feed?

DD is now sleeping from sometime between 7-8PM until sometime between 3-6, then feeds and re-settles quickly. The times when she goes until 6AM are a bit of nightmare for me, as I wake up so engorged and sore and she finds it hard to latch on and then seems to overfeed and brings up an entire feed. I'm experimenting with how I feed in the mornings to try balance satisfying her, getting breakfast into DS, and not letting her guzzle so much that it all comes up as she gets upset when that happens (not to mention me needing to change as it usually happens with her facing me, so I get the full fountain of milk effect).

I managed to get her to sleep a couple of hours around lunch time today - by sitting watching tv with her on my chest grin. Now that's my kind of 'sleep training'...of course it did mean no tidying, laundry or other chores got done, and I was both starving and bursting for the loo by the time she finally surfaced but it was a small sacrifice for the lovely snuggle and I was even able to justify it to myself as an experiment to see whether she would sleep longer if the conditions were right. Now...just need to work out how to get her able to feel that sleepy and comfy without being on me. Although I wouldn't complain if I got another session tomorrow. grin Off to bed now...thank goodness no daycare for DS tomorrow, so no rush to get out the door, yay for more relaxed mornings!

Ladybee Thu 05-Jul-12 12:18:54

sorry got my she/he mixed up, I meant to refer to your DS in that post cydonia...

SESthebrave Thu 05-Jul-12 13:16:56

Interesting about bedtimes. With DS, he wouldn't settle day or night unless on me (we later realised due to tongue tie) but DD seems to naturally settle asleep on either me or DH around 9pm whilst we're watching tv. I'm thinking of going up to bed with her around this time. I can sit up in bed and feed her with the tv on there (sleeping that early or during the day isn't something that comes easily to me hmm )
She usually does about 3hrs in her crib, then wakes and has a feed and resettles in her crib after about an hour for another 60-90 min sleep. When she wakes a second time, I bring her into bed.

I think feeding has settled down a bit in terms of DD's efficiency and my supply. She does seem to take a bit too much sometimes though and I do wonder whether she has a bit of reflux. The last few days she's been bringing up a lot more. She also doesn't nap well during the day in her crib but seems to prefer her car seat. I'm not overly keen on this as I think it's not meant to be good for their back or breathing, being in the car seat for too long. The proper seat for the buggy may work but now DH has produced it from the back of the garage, it needs a good clean before I can put DD in it!

Littlerayofsunshine Thu 05-Jul-12 15:24:56

I find that with DD2, She feeds roughly 2hourly in the daytime, is then alert, then naps about 45mins after feeding. ish. It varies of course. then she will feed and nap before bath time with DD. (DD1 goes to bed at 7pm and sleeps through)

After that, DD2 is usually alert and in & out of naps until about 9/10pm ish then she will go a good 5/6hrs. then feeds again at about 5:30ish.

Also, she's downstairs with me in the evenings, and we both go up to bed about 9ish, then both sleep around ten. (Well i go when she's out for the count)

Cydonia Thu 05-Jul-12 16:19:06

Wow Ladybee, how old is your DD? You're lucky to have her sleeping so long, though I suppose at the expense of your boobs!
SES and Little ray, think I might follow your example and go up to bed earlier. Think it's just laziness ( or exhaustion! ) on my part to sit watching telly with DS on my lap asleep til about 11pm, he's going to get into bad habits eventually!
Last night he slept about 9.30 - 12.30, then 2.15 - 4.50, then 5.45 - 7.30 so I suppose not TOO bad! He would have slept longer this morning but we had to get up for his hip scan at the hospital at 9am. All was fine, just a precaution as he was breech for a while and was a bit frog-legged when he came out!
Also went to get him weighed, he's put on quite a bit from last week so that's good. Always reassuring when you're BFing to know they're getting enough.
Was funny when he had his scan, I put him on the bed and the nurse asked if he was my first. I said yes, she said 'oh you can tell' I thought I'd done something wrong til she said it was cos I'd placed him down so carefully, I guess with more practice you realise they're not that fragile! Still wouldn't chuck a baby about though...

LittleSarah Fri 06-Jul-12 10:06:17

Oh Cydonia - My ds2 sleeps worse than yours! Last night he was up about every hour and a half and bedtimes? No where near. Last night he slept quite well from 8ish but if you put him down anywhere (like moses basket) he wakes up! I think I may need to start trying to resettle and put down again soon, instead of just giving up and letting him sleep in my arms, I'm just so tired I can't face it.

He has a wee virus recently, v snuffly in the night and having to prop up on a pillow. The doctor heard a little noise ('not quite a wheeze') in his chest yesterday so that may be affecting him, hoping that when that clears the sleep pattern will improve.

As I said, any advice on improving sleep patterns, or settling babies in baskets, appreciated!

Waiting for a call from my new client to discuss first project.... very pleased to have work but urgh... work??!

Wrigglebum Fri 06-Jul-12 16:57:06

Sorry to hear sleeping is still not great LittleSarah. Have you been swaddling? That plus white noise can help a lot, or we use one of these which actually really helps to settle Adam in his crib. It never really worked on DS1, not sure if maybe we started using it too late so he'd forgotten womb sounds iyswim. They're pretty expensive though if it doesn't work (manufacturers really know how desperate sleep deprived parents are), but you might be able to find some womb sounds online to write onto a cd? I think other than that time will help as he gets more secure in the outside world.

If it's bad could you try co-sleeping? As long as you follow the safe sleeping guidelines it's safe and means you both might get a bit more sleep? Adam goes to bed in his crib at bedtime (around 7.30) and comes into bed with me after he first wakes so I can feed lying down and doze. I rarely put him back in his crib after that first feed.

Neither of mine have liked swaddling but we've just started using a Grobag with Adam. First night of it last night and he seemed to like it.

Has anyone else noticed their baby getting more alert now? Adam is starting to have a lot more awake time and is really taking it all in! He really seemed to enjoy looking around at playgroup yesterday and watching his big brother play when we had friends round.

I'm really loving my sling right now, it's been so useful with my bad wrist, no need to push a pushchair as that's a bit sore still. Walked a good 2 1/2 miles yesterday with Adam in the sling. I carried a scooter for ds1 and dragged him on that when he got tired. As well as the Close sling I now have a wrap, much easier to wrap than I thought. I came across Gotmylittlelamb on the sling board on here, sounds like they're doing well. She said she'd try and pop over and find us on here soon.

SirCharles Fri 06-Jul-12 18:42:07

has anyone been to a wedding and BF their LO? any tips on what to wear? I have been invited to a wedding next month.....

Cydonia Fri 06-Jul-12 20:41:46

God Little Sarah no wonder you're tired! I tried swaddling last night, (used a summer infant swaddle-me 'bag' ) after DS had been screaming all evening and was still awake at 11pm! He hated it at first but just when I was about to give up he fell asleep and slept for 5 hours!! Unheard of! Will see tonight if it was a fluke.
We got a Ewan dream sheep for his cot, it plays womby noises and emits a red glow, was about £20. Not convinced it works but it looks cute!

Wrigglebum Fri 06-Jul-12 22:12:33

Sir Charles- someone linked to this site on the breast and bottle feeding board. Might be able to find something on there? Otherwise separates might be your best bet (or wear what you want and head somewhere private to feed- the dreaded feeding in the loo).

Cydonia, I think those sheep are fairly similar to what I have but a bit cuter smile.

Cydonia Fri 06-Jul-12 22:42:09

I have a christening to go to on Sunday, will be our first 'function' as a family, not sure how I'm going to manage feeding in public either! The venue only has one tiny toilet so that's not an option. I'm going for a nice nursing top I got from mamas and papas with some smart trousers and the lovely big scarf I've just been given by my brother and his girlfriend. Harder for a wedding though as you have to be a bit more 'dressy' I suppose.
That websites great though Wigglebum, not come across it before. Milk Chic though, what a name, almost as bad as the Hot Milk bras! smile

LittleSarah Sat 07-Jul-12 11:37:27

Thanks wriggle! We actually are co sleeping a lot of the time but I haven't tried swaddling. Will definitely give it a go tonight, especially with Cydonia's success story to spur me on. Now just have to look up how to do it as I don't have any particular equipment!

My mum's (ex health visitor) advice was to switch to bottle. Hmmm. Not sure that would even help, plus having managed over 6 months with first two I'd really like to manage the same with Finn. 'It was 6 weeks in my day' says mum.

Typically after moaning online last night was okay; midnight to 3.30am then up about 5.45, then 7.30 or so. Not fantastic but good for us. Do really want him to nap more in basket during the day so trying swaddling now!

No help for your wedding sircharles but definitely think a large scarf/pashmina is good for artfully draping over when feeding.

Ladybee Sat 07-Jul-12 13:26:36

DD is 11 weeks now, she started doing longer stretches at about 5-6 weeks I think. I'm a huge fan of swaddling - I think it really helps them to re-settle if they don't have flailing/wandering arms and feel secure and snug. You can by really large muslin wraps here - 120cm square is ideal - they are perfect as they are breathable and light. My mum made me them for DS and he still sleeps with them now as his cuddle rug.
We also play a lullaby cd during all her naps and at bedtime, mainly because I have DS banging around up and down the hallway and feel that having a steady noise in the background makes sudden ones less noticeable if that makes sense.
Speaking of sleep...night all

Catsycat Sun 08-Jul-12 17:43:05

Sorry I haven't been on for a bit. What was actually quite a nice but busy week went really bad on Thursday, as the decision was taken by my DDs nursery to close down permanently for financial reasons as of Friday night sad . DD1 and DD2 were there from being babies, and DD3 had a place booked for September / October. DD1 had been there for over 4 years, and they have helped us out way beyond the call of duty lots of times over the years. We all really loved the nursery and staff, and it is so sad that they have had to close. Evesham isn't very big, so now everyone is scrabbling round for nursery places. I actually cried looking round a new nursery on Friday (which was really embarrassing!). I think the one we saw will be OK, so will decide on days etc this evening, then hope they have places left when I phone up tomorrow. I know one of DD1s friends is booked there now, and one of the children DD2 liked was looking round just before us on Friday.

Lime hope the mastitis is a distant memory now. It's horrible how fast you go from feeling normal, to feeling like death warmed up.... DD3 is 7 weeks tomorrow, and the bleeding has finally almost stopped (sorry if tmi, but now just a very faintly coloured cm type thing). Went on for this long with all of mine - I'm just lucky I guess!!!!

cupcake glad you liked Evesham! We live in one of the surrounding villages rather than in town, but it is a lovely place to live. So glad we moved here!

LittleSarah congrats on the offer of work! Glad your DS measured up to the checklist! I try not to obsess about things like that, but always end up feelin relieved when I'm told things are going well (ahh, the joy of maternal guilt!).

Ladybee the bed / bath bit is always a bit dodgy round here too! I often do it on my own, as DH is away part of the week, and usually try to feed DD3 right before we go up, in the hope she'll drop off for a bit. It works maybe 50% of the time (being optimistic there possibly!). Otherwise, she usually cries, and DD1 and DD2 end up late to bed, but we get there in the end.

Cydonia the fennel tea is meant to aid digestion, which means it should stop the wind getting trapped. I guess some is meant to go to the baby in your milk, but you can also give the baby 5ml before and after a feed. We put it in a 5ml syringe (you can get from the dispensary in Boots) and just give it to DD3 before and sometimes after the midnight feed. I think it does help a bit, but it's one of those things that it is hard to prove the effectiveness of!

SirCharles I made a wedding dress for someone who wanted to bf on her wedding day a few years ago. It was a Spanish inspired long circular skirt, short jacket and a camisole type top with zips instead of side seams. She was really brave and went for some gorgeous silk fabrics for everything (hope she had some bridal-white muslins to catch any sick!!!) Could you go for some sort of skirt / trousers and light jacket, which you could wear a stetchy vest / cami type thing underneath, so you can undo the jacket and pull up the top to bf? Or would there be any sort of nice tunic / dress you could wear over fitted trousers / leggings (depends how formal a wedding it is). I had a beautiful embroidered chiffon tunic / dress from Monsoon after I had DD2, which I wore with leggings for nice evenings out - it was actually quite like the top half of a Shalwar Kameez. A large chiffon scarf / pashmina would help as "cover" too.

Sugarx Sun 08-Jul-12 21:58:54

Hi everyone. Hope you don't kind me updating the list with my new arrival... Caitlin Lisa Bea was born by ELCS and squealed before she even came out!

I haven't said much on these threads as I had quite a tough pregnancy and the consultants had prepared me for the worst - my baby was diagnosed with severe ventriculomegaly in utero, which can have horrific consequences.

I lost both of my parents during my pregnancy, within three weeks of each other, and my sister was hospitalised for much of it due to an unexplained gastric disorder.

My parents are still gone, my sister is still poorly (having lost over 7 1/2 stone), BUT an MRI on Day 2 of Caitlin's life showed that, despite enlarged ventricles, there doesn't appear to be any increased pressure in the brain caused by the excess fluid, which is AMAZING news :-)

She developed jaundice due to lethargy following sedation for the MRI, so she lost 10% of her birthweight and then had trouble latching on so was slow to get back to her original weight, but once we got the hang of it, she flew - she has now been discharged from the midwife and the neonatal nursing team so her weight and head circumference will only be monitored monthly by the health visitor. Hard to put into words how happy we are. My Mum and Dad would be so proud and would completely adore her.

I feel so lucky to have her and can't quite believe it's true but am trying hard to just enjoy every minute and not worry about the little things. She seems to love her sleep (her mother's daughter!) and now at 9 weeks tends to sleep for a 7 hour stretch at night, then settles down again for another 3-4 hours after a sleepy feed, with a couple of long naps in the daytime. I'm pretty sure this won't last, so am making the most of it while I can...

DP resigned from his job in preparation for her birth, with the likelihood being that we would have to trek back and forth to hospital and I would be unable to drive after the CS. Fortunately, that scenario never materialised, so he has been able to share these precious weeks with me, which made my recovery easier and he has been a shoulder to cry on during the sad times. Very lucky to have him (even though on his first night out to wet the baby's head, he managed to fall down a flight of wooden stairs and broke his orbit - the bone in the face that holds his eye in place. Cue a call from A&E and a trip there with Caitlin at 4am, to discover one very battered, bruised and, quite frankly, terrifying looking Daddy. Brilliant)

It's so heartwarming to read all of your fantastic stories and reassuring to know that someone else is experiencing the same things as I am. We live in between two places as we are in the process of selling our house and we don't know where we'll end up moving to, so I don't know any other mums with babies, and I no longer have my Mum to ask, so thanks.

One positive thing I need to share with you all - the neonatal nurse told me that chocolate is REALLY GOOD for breast feeding and in fact she MADE me eat some while I was feeding. She might just be loopy but I have decided to believe her and follow her advice. Frequently :-)

Wishing you all a restful night x

Born:

08.02.12 (26+6) - Gotmylittlelamb #1 GIRL Sophia Diane
21.04.12 (38+1) - Goodname #2 BOY, Finlay 7lb 12oz
22.04.12 (38+3) - LadyMaybe #2 GIRL Rosalind Eliza, 7lb 8oz
24.04.12 (39+1) - Yorky #4 GIRL Pippa (Philippa) Kate, 8lb 2oz
27.04.12 (39+2) - Mikocat #1 GIRL April, 7lb 8oz
30.04.12 (39 weeks) - Wrigglebum #2 BOY Adam Zachary, 6lb 4oz
03.05.12 (38+5) - Sugarx #1 GIRL Caitlin Lisa Bea 7lb 15oz
04.05.12 (38+6) - beeboles #3 BOY Tom
05.05.12 (39+6) - oltob #2 BOY Toby, 8lb 4oz
06.05.12 (39+1) - chocolatesparkle #1 GIRL Imogen Grace
08.05.12 (40 weeks) - myweeangel #2 BOY Noah, 10lb 8oz
08.05.12 (40+6) - DialMforMummy #2 BOY
09.05.12 (39+1) - PreciousPuddleduck #1 GIRL
10.05.12 (40+4) - tara0202 #2 BOY Cameron
11.05.12 (39+2) - googietheegg #1 GIRL, 7lb 7oz
11.05.12 (39+3) - Katykuns #2 GIRL Emily Edith Harriet
12.05.12 (41+6) - Harecare #3 GIRL April Edith 9lb
12.05.12 (41+1) - saggybaps #2 BOY
12.05.12 (39+6) - bonbonpixie #1 GIRL Cameron
12.05.12 (41+2) - Mythical #1 GIRL Isabel Helen 8lb 7oz
13.05.12 (41 weeks) - purestcocoa #1 GIRL Imani 7lb 8oz
13.05.12 (39+3) - ballroompink #1 BOY Sebastian Henry James 7lbs 8oz
13.05.12 (39+6) - alwaysanauntie #1 GIRL Cora Regina
14.05.12 (39 weeks) - LittleSarah #3 BOY Finlay 5lb 14oz
15.05.12 - MrsHoarder #1 BOY
15.05.12 (39+4) - Newtothisstuff #2 GIRL Jessikah 6lb 3oz
16.05.12 (41+1) - dreamingofanallotment #1 GIRL Isla Grace 8lb
17.05.12 (39 weeks) - Cewafwb #4 GIRL Savannah Darcy Ailsa
18.05.12 (41+6) - Bodeccia #1 GIRL Adèle Johanna 8lb 11
19.05.12 (40 weeks) - Russki #1 GIRL Rose Frances 7lb 1oz
21.05.12 (39 weeks) - Catsycat #3 GIRL Zuleika Seren 9lbs 1oz
22.05.12 (40+5) - imissbrie #1 GIRL Heidi Anna 7lbs 15oz
22.05.12 (40+6) - cupcakefairy #2 BOY Sebastian John 10lbs
23.05.12 (40+4) - SirCharles #1 BOY Theodore Harold 7lbs 8oz
23.05.12 (39+6) - mixedclassbaby #2 GIRL Rosie Eris
23.05.12 (41+1) - Heidihole #1 BOY James 10lb 6oz
23.05.12 (39+2) - Cydonia #1 BOY Max William
24.05.12 (40+1) - tostaky #3 BOY Areski 9lbs 7oz
26.05.12 (39+4) - BlueCrane #1 BOY Maxwell 6lbs 9oz
30.05.12 (40+5) - Karatekimmi #1 BOY Toby
31.05.12 (40+10) - luckynumber11 #3 GIRL Tessa Elizabeth 8lbs 5oz

EDD:

2nd May - MidwifeWithABump #1
4th May - Ariane5 #4 - scan = boy
8th May - SAF1610 #1?
9th May - cherrypie55 = girl
10th May - Marmite123 #1
10th May - Pickle54 #1 = boy
11th May - Cairnterrier, #2
13th May - musicalmrs, #1, surprise
14th May - Montymum, #1
16th May - Failsafe, #1
17th May - MandaHugNKiss #4
17th May - Sunshinela, #1
21st May - Basse, #1, scan = boy
22nd May - Knittymum, #3, girl (confirmed by 2 scans)
25th May - LimeFlower #1, surprise
26th May - GingerLemonTea #1, surprise
26th May - BebeBelge
27th May - SESthebrave #2, surprise, ELCS
28th May - openerofjars #2
30th May - Langoria - surprise
30th May - Twittwoo #1
31st May - CluelessPro #1

Catsycat Sun 08-Jul-12 23:16:55

Lovely to meet you Sugarx. Sounds like you've had a rollercoaster ride these last few months. So sorry to hear about the loss of your parents and your sister's illness, but it's wonderful that your baby is doing fine. Great news about chocolate too - I always new loving it so much must be good somewhere along the way!!!

cupcakefairy Mon 09-Jul-12 08:25:15

Hi sugar I remember you posting on the antenatal thread.. fantastic news about your dd, and so lovely u & dh have been able to have all this quality time together.

catsy so sad about the nursery sad hope u get a place in the other one.

sarah did swaddling help? Hope so.

Seb is sleeping quite well which I'm v grateful for as ds1 is being a pain at the mo messing about at bedtimes & getting up at 5.30..and as of last week not napping unless I drive round for ages in the car sad meh.
Seb sleeping for long stretches also causes problems for my boobs though! They're so full by the time he wakes that he can't cope with the flow & ends up choking & coughing then doesn't want to latch back on.. stressful! Hoping the supply will lessen over next couple of weeks as I don't want to get up in the night to express, or confuse my supply by doing so..

Catsycat Mon 09-Jul-12 15:45:43

cupcake, have you tried one of these or similar? We bought it for DD1 when she was about 22 months old and getting up earlier and earlier. We managed to get her from waking at about 4.30am to 7am in a couple of weeks. There were a few tears, and we had to send her back to bed a couple of times each morning at first, but she seemed to understand what the clock meant. We were also able to use the sleeping rabbit to "prove" it was bedtime - also used the cbeebies bedtime song for this (in fact DD1 used to just get up and make for the stairs with no prompting from us whenever she heard the song!). The good news is, now she's teaching DD2 to check the clock too! Might be worth a go if DS1 is persistently "experimenting" with bedtime and getting up.
We also had to drive round for ages in the car with DD1 to get her to take naps, once she got to around 2. DD2 hasn't napped consistently, even with driving around, for months (she is 2 1/2 now). She will sometimes drop off on the sofa or in the car, but only if she has had a late night or exerted herself, not just because its nap time iyswim. The other thing we did to help with bedtime with DD1 was to put a CD of children's songs on in her room every night. 5 Little Speckled Frogs etc. seemed to keep her entertained until she dropped off...

I've got places for our 3 in the nursery we looked at on Friday. Quite a few of the children from our old nursery are there too, including one of DD1's best friends. DD1 and DD2 will be going one day a week in the holidays, then when DD1 starts school, I'll put DD2 in for 2 days - hopefully she'll be well used to it by then. DD3 will be starting in January, once DD2 gets her grant, then DD2 will go up to 2.5 or 3 days. They took this rather complex plan in good part, then took loads of details of DD1's allergies / asthma / eczema so they could "train the staff on it" before thursday, when the girls have their first taster session. DD2 just wandered off and started playing when we looked round, and DD1 was more shy, but also went to play and said it was nice. Now she knows her friend is going, she is keen to go too. So it all looks good at this point... smile

Must go and feed DD3 now. DD1 and 2 are making me laugh - DD1 is teaching DD2 ballet, she has made her wear a tutu and shoes (each shoe is a different size and colour!) from the dressing up box, and has just been putting her in Bras Bas (sp?), now she is making her point her toes and jump while holding the back of a chair!!! grin

Ladybee Thu 12-Jul-12 11:51:47

Catsy I can completely understand why the nursery closure and search for a new place was an emotional minefield - it's such an important part of your life and you trust them to take care of your precious LOs. You chose the original one because it was the best choice for you and now you're being forced to chose another. I'm pleased you've found an alternative, especially with other parents also looking - at least there are places available.
Sugarx goodness, you deserve about a million of these <hug> What a lot to go through all at once. How are you feeling?? Did the midwives pay close attention to your emotional state pre- and post-natal, it seems like if any situation was going to put you at risk for PND that would do it, but you sound very bright and I love that you're trying to enjoy the small moments and not worry too much. Looove the advice re: chocolate. Not that I need much encouragement, after getting the all clear from diabetes I've been indulging a little too often already. Glad you're with us - do offload and ask anything, it's the best thing about MN, somewhere, someone has always been through something similar. So sorry to hear about the loss of your parents, it's must have been a horrible to shock to lose both within such a short time period.
Cupcake it sounds like you're suffering the same issue that I had when I last posted. It is starting to settle down here, so with a bit of luck your supply will equalise a bit soon. I still had quite a few sessions where I just had far too much and DD didn't seem to realise; fountains of milk were returned to me.
I'm feeling pretty good, although we're undergoing a bit financial stress at the moment which is no fun but has to be dealt with. DD is being lovely, lots of smiles and gummy grins and I think she might be crying a little less, or maybe I'm just getting used to it. I've managed to achieve a few small projects too which is helping me feel a bit better too - really small things like listing a bundle of clothes on our ebay, sewing some basic curtains to help keep out draughts and filling out a form and posting it off. It's amazing how long it was taking me to get them done and it was starting to get me down. I had PND with my son, it kicked in quite late at around 4 months. Actually, looking back, I think it started earlier than that but escalated quickly at this stage when I started on the mini-pill. I've been very very conscious of the symptoms this time around, and have had several calls from the maternal mental health team to check up. I think I'm ok this time around but it's a bit like walking around the edge of a crater, every so often my foot slips and I have to scramble a bit to stop myself sliding down. One of my warning signs is isolating myself, which includes not using MN for support, it's one of the reasons why I disappear and then pop back. Anyway, I just wanted to put it out there in case anyone else is struggling, and feeling alone or like they're the only one.

cupcakefairy Thu 12-Jul-12 12:49:34

Thanks catsy we definitely want to get one of those clocks.. just need a bit of spare cash one month! Think he prob would get on quite well with it.

ladybee can totally relate to things taking forever..it really gets me down too when I know there are loads of little jobs that need doing & it's just impossinle. Even on weekends dh & I barely get a thing done between entertaining the boys and actually feeding ourselves!! A dishwasher & tumble drier would definitely help in this household but not happening anytime soon! Hope u can avoid the pnd this time, will u not be going back on the pill then?

I'm off to a perineal trauma class in physio dept of hospital this afternoon.. joy of joys. Dh is looking after ds1 & I'm hoping the close sling will keep ds2 quiet!

SirCharles Sun 15-Jul-12 10:54:26

It's v quiet on here! Is everyone on their holidays?!
Not much going on here thank goodness. Our 6 month old nephew died last week. Such a shock. Found dead in his cot after his afternoon nap. Truly awful to have to attend that funeral with a 7 week old. I do not know how DSiL is coping. MiL & great granny both distraught too. There are no words to comfort anyone with. Awful.
Was a beautiful funeral but just wrong to be at it for one so young. sad
Now I am wondering if I should get a baby monitor & one with a movement mat at that..,.., should I? We have resisted having any monitor at all up to this point.

Wrigglebum Sun 15-Jul-12 22:49:06

Gosh SirCharles, that's awful. I can't imagine how terrible that must be for the family. We don't have a movement sensor on our monitor but I know a friend did and found it very reassuring. In fact she started using it again when her daughter was found to have bad sleep apnoea at 2 1/2.

It is very quiet here, I hope it means you are all enjoying your babies. I see some of your names across the various boards on here.

Was lovely to have some sun today, things always seem better in the sunshine.

Ladybee Mon 16-Jul-12 10:55:24

Oh SirCharles how terrible. It gave me such a sick feeling to read that, it must have been absolutely shocking for you and devastating for your poor SIL. I only have a sound monitor, but I still consider getting a movement one, probably one that clips onto the nappy like the Respisense or Snuza. Have just had another look and will probably get one as it's something I feel very anxious about.

wriggle glad you got some sunshine at last. We're having the deluge now, right after I got three loads of washing out on to the line <grrr> thank goodness we have some line under cover, I can at least get some of the wet stuff out there for a bit before getting it into the tumble dryer to finish off.

I was thinking of getting started on the washable nappies soon, especially as DD seems to have got into a pattern of pooing only every 4-5 days or so. But if the rain is going to continue like this I might reconsider!

No pill for me this time around, it was such a disaster last time. In fact no nothing for me at the moment, I was considering getting a coil, but didn't in the end. I have to say lack of contraception hasn't been too much of an issue though, BFing seems to lower my libido, and I'm always knackered when I go to bed that the only thing on my mind is getting to sleep as quickly as possible. DH is abroad for two weeks for work now, but maybe I should make the effort when he gets back grin

cupcake I am slightly baffled at the idea of a perineal trauma class. Is it a group thing? What do you do at it?

cupcakefairy Mon 16-Jul-12 12:13:09

grin ladybee it doesn't involve sharing your perineal trauma with the group if that's what you mean!! This was basically a lecture on pelvic floor exercises & explaining the consequences of not doing them etc.. was really interesting actually & certainly has me clenching more often!! I downloaded an app last night actually to remind me to do them! It was for all women in last few weeks who've had 3rd/4th degree tear. In a couple of weeks I go for a personal appointment for the physio to assess if it's healed & I'm doing the pelvic floor exercises properly.

sircharles how awful for your family sad I too am terrified of sids and constantly checking ds2 throughout the night (esp as he's a tummy sleeper blush) but will definitely look into getting a movement sensor now.

Cydonia Tue 17-Jul-12 20:04:28

Sircharles that's awful, I can't imagine what your family are going through.
DS and I had our routine post natal check yesterday and happily all was well apart from the doctor was a bit concerned that its taking a while for DS's head to go down after the ventouse. I thought it had gone down quite a bit but I suppose looking at it with fresh eyes it is quite pronounced. Anyone have any experience of this? He's 8 weeks tomorrow.
Routine wise it's all going wrong! Last time I posted on here we were going in the right direction, now we've gone backwards! He's sleeping for shorter periods at night and not really napping through the day properly either. He'll fall asleep in my arms but as soon as I try to put him down he's awake and crying within 5 mins! He's just generally more unsettled, screaming for hours of an evening, won't sleep til about midnight then awake again a couple of hours later. Am worried he's going to end up being very needy/clingy, plus it's awful not being able to stop the crying.
From what I've posted on here I think he has silent reflux possibly as well as colic! Dr didn't seem too concerned, gave me some gaviscon at my insistence but said it probably won't help and that he will grow out of it! Then told me one of his children was just the same and that they just had to carry him round in a sling all the time- thanks, really helpful! DS still cries in his sling if he's that way out, literally nothing soothes him sad Got his first injections on Thursday so not l

Cydonia Tue 17-Jul-12 20:06:20

Oops, wrong button! Not looking forward to it.
Hope everyone else is doing better than me! I think its time for more chocolate.....

Catsycat Tue 17-Jul-12 21:09:11

Oh SirCharles, just wanted to say how sorry I am, what an awful thing to happen.

Must go, as Z has started crying. Will post properly when I can...

Ladybee Wed 18-Jul-12 11:09:55

Cydonia that sounds really hard. Sorry I don't have much advice about the head. I had a ventouse and DD's head in the first day was a bit cone-shaped, but to be honest the next day it looked normal. Did you ask your GP what could be done about it? I mean, what's the point the GP saying something if they don't offer a plan, even if it's just watch and wait for a couple more weeks?
That goes for the reflux as well, I would suggest that if the gaviscon doesn't work, then you need to go back and ask for something else (omeprazole) and referral to pediatric gastric specialist for help. Or at the very least a plan of action.

Feel free to ignore the following but here are tips based on refluxy babies (but nothing serious):

Combination of reflux and overtiredness is affecting sleep. Try to get into a pattern of feeding when he wakes, so that you can then keep him upright for a little while before putting down to sleep. Do feeds in 2 halves: feed, wind then change nappy, then finish feed. It means you're not having to lay him down with a full tummy, also gives him a chance to do
For naps and sleep in general, first establish the habit of napping somewhere, no matter where. So on you is fine if that's what works. Just watch him like a hawk after feeding and the moment he starts grimacing, hands going up to face, arms waving about wierdly, little short cries, and yawns, start trying to ease him into sleep. (Try Happiest Baby on the Block DVD - the techniques in it really work for settling). One yawn could be an accident, 2 means it's time, three he needs to be picked up now and got ready for a nap before he gets past the point of no return.
Try napping in a bouncy chair or rocker so he's more upright, or put a wedge under the mattress so that he's elevated by at least 30 degrees.
If you're having trouble seeing tired signs etc because he's worked up or always tired/sore, then use the clock and start trying to get him to sleep after he's been awake about 1 1/4 hours.
Once you've managed to get naps happening again you can work on where they happen and try to get him back into bassinet/cot/basket wherever, so you get some down time. But honestly, don't worry about him being clingy/needy. He's an 8 week old baby, he IS needy. And that's perfectly fine. How they are now, is nothing like they'll be in three weeks and that's nothing like they'll be three weeks after that grin. Nothing lasts forever in this game.

So I bought a breathing monitor last night. I was looking at them and found one on our ebay equivalent. Am just waiting for it to arrive. My worst time is the feed at 5AM, I sit there holding her once she's gone to sleep wanting to keep hold of her, knowing that I'll fall asleep, willing myself to put her back in her bassinet because I know that's the safest place but wanting to hold on to her just a bit longer smile

Cydonia Wed 18-Jul-12 11:56:01

Thanks for the tips Ladybee! It is hard to spot his sleepy signs as he gets distressed straight after a feed and then at some point will just 'drop'! What's strange is that it's not all the time, he starts the day ok, happy and smiley and has a couple of good naps ( he's asleep on me now ) then gradually goes downhill. By about 10pm we're both in meltdown! I don't know how long the gaviscon takes to work, but I would've thought that due to the nature of it it should work straight away? The only effect I've seen so far is that his poo has thickened up, it's like lemon curd!
I think it'll be hard to get the dr to take me seriously as DS is otherwise healthy, gaining weight and not generally bringing anything up with the reflux. Get the feeling he thinks I'm over reacting.
He didn't really give a plan about his head, just that he'd check it again in a month! I don't know what you can do anyway, from what I remember the drs and paediatrician in the hospital just said it will go down with time.
I'm going to cut my caffeine intake and see if that helps ( I'll really be a zombie then! ) and am thinking about cutting out dairy, though that seems a bit drastic. Oh and there's colief, we've not tried that yet. Or cranial osteopathy. Aha see I haven't tried everything after all!!

Cydonia Wed 18-Jul-12 12:03:54

Oh and I'll definitely try the feed, wind/change, then finish feed. Might help to get him to take more as he gets fussy after about ten minutes so if I give him a break then he might settle. God it's all so time consuming, how on earth do people do this and have other children/jobs as well?! People keep asking me when I'm going back to work! God, never at this rate!!

Wrigglebum Wed 18-Jul-12 18:20:36

Cydonia- I think the problem with reflux and doctors is that as long as the baby is gaining weight nicely they are medically ok, but it's miserable for the whole family. The advice from your doctor to use a sling is actually really good, keeps them upright and close to you. If you want to give it a try without too much financial commitment I recommend trying a stretchy wrap from Victoria Slinglady. Mine was £15 plus £3 postage brand new from her eBay shop. A quick watch online will show you how to use it- just tie it on in the morning and pop baby in and out. I can have Adam in the sling for hours it's so comfy.

Ladybee's advice is all very good too, Propping up the bed makes such a difference. I always put ds1 on his side to sleep too. The other thing to remember is that it will pass and you'll barely remember it in a few months.

Cydonia Wed 18-Jul-12 21:04:28

I do have a sling Wrigglebum, got a second hand sleepy wrap off EBay. Getting it tied right is a bit hit and miss though, sometimes his head isn't supported and wobbles about. He also gets a bit frustrated at being near my boobs but not able to feed as he roots a lot and drools all over me! Have watched some videos but not convinced I'm doing it right!
I got a sleep positioner wedge thing for his cot but not convinced by that either, he slides down it and ends up squashed at the bottom. Saying that I think it does help with the reflux, I haven't heard him regurgitating as much though he's still very 'grunty'!
He's not been quite as bad today, whether that's down to the gaviscon I'm not sure, I've only given it 3 times so far today as its such a pain to mix up and give while he's screaming!
Part of me can see where the doctors coming from, he is medically a healthy baby. Just want some kind of diagnosis as I'm not convinced it is reflux, could be colic, could be a milk oversupply issue but noone seems to take me seriously! Perhaps the best thing for me to do is relax, stop googling every tiny symptom and overanalysing it and wait for him to grow out of it like everyone tells me he will do! Doesn't help that DP works nights so I fill in the long lonely hours glued to my iPhone obsessing about stuff. Thanks for the support!

Wrigglebum Wed 18-Jul-12 23:02:17

I've found with the wrap you need to tie it tighter than you'd think. When I tie mine on I don't leave any slack iyswim, the natural stretch in the fabric gives enough room for the baby. You can always pull it about a bit to tighten it around the head. If you pop him in when he's full up and should be getting sleepy then go out for a walk then he'll probably doze off, fresh air does great things for both of you. If it's too rainy a bit of a dance round the house should work too.

Likelihood is that he'll grow out of it and you'll forget all about it. Their tummies are so delicate and need time to mature. I know a diagnosis helps make sense of things but it won't necessarily get you any more sleep smile. When ds1 was tiny someone told me that babies gain control of their bodies head down, so head control, then hands and finally legs. Control over the valve at the top of their tummies (reflux occurs because that doesn't really close properly) comes just after they get a bit more control over their hands, that seemed pretty right with DS. I just realised one day that I hadn't been covered in baby puke for ages and that he seemed a bit happier.

Don't worry about clinginess, babies are supposed to be clingy at this age and cuddling him is giving him what he needs, not 'making a rod for your own back'. Enjoy having him sleep on you because very soon he won't at all and you'll miss those sleepy baby cuddles.

And I second the suggestion about cranial osteopathy, but maybe after the doctor has checked his head again post-ventouse just to be safe?

Cydonia Thu 19-Jul-12 16:38:37

Thank you, you are my voice of reason!

SESthebrave Thu 19-Jul-12 19:44:48

Hello again all smile

Cydonia - I second the advice you've been given and have also heard good things about cranial osteopathy

SirCharles - there are no words sad My thoughts are with you and your family.

All going well here. Aoife is now over 5 weeks old and weighed in at 10lb10 today. She also gave me a stint of over 5hrs of sleep in her crib last night so all going well. Completely different to DS who never slept on his own for months! Just goes to show it's all to do with the individual baby rather than so much what we do as parents!

Tomorrow is my Dad's birthday and the Olympic torch goes down my parents' road so we'll be heading over there for the afternoon. Just hope the rain stays away! At least it looks like better weather next week smile

Cydonia Thu 19-Jul-12 23:32:35

Summer is officially on its way, said so on the weather tonight. Then they gave a warning for heavy rain tonight!!

cupcakefairy Mon 23-Jul-12 09:00:11

Hi ladies, good to hear all your updates.. cydonia and others suffering with sleep problems hope you're all ok.. everything seems so much more difficult when you're not getting enough sleep so I hope you're managing some rest during the day. Really feel for you. My ds2 is sleeping well at the moment but I don't take it for granted at all as I know their patterns and habits change constantly so just trying to enjoy it now.. with ds1 around when we strted weaning he was waking constantly in the night ..yaaaawn.

Had 8 wk check and jabs on thurs.. nasty! But ds2 weighing 13lbs, and 61cm length ..big boy!

SESthebrave Mon 23-Jul-12 09:37:35

Hello cupcake smile
It had gone very quiet on here! Sounds like your DS2 is doing brilliantly. I've got my 6 week check today and other than that I'll be spending my time between DD, the washing machine and the washing line to take advantage of this glorious weather!

SESthebrave Mon 23-Jul-12 10:50:19

Oh and I have a question.... DD has been sleeping very well in her swaddle at night but is starting to get too small for it. What's the youngest age / size you would put your LO in a gro-bag?

Catsycat Mon 23-Jul-12 21:29:31

SES I believe grobags are OK from 4kg / 8lb8oz. We've been using one from about 2 weeks old, mainly because we didn't get round to getting them out before that, and just swaddled her with a sheet instead... Used to be 7lb when we had DD1, I think. Not sure why or when that changed! Oh, and hope your Dad had a good birthday - did you see the torch?

I am in the process of moving DD3 onto mixed formula and BF. Feel a bit sad about it, but it just wasn't practical BFing during the day while looking after DD1 & DD2, especially when I take them out on my own (and due to nursery closing I will be taking them out a lot more, as they are only in the new nursery 1 day a week). It was all fine unless someone decided to run off, poo, throw their lunch on the floor etc. etc., and frankly it's easier and quicker to deal with that if I don't have to put my boobs away first, and am not leaking milk everywhere while dealing with whatever it is... Also, I was getting increasingly tired, and was worried about the CFS symptoms getting worse, this way DH can let me go to bed earlier, and do the last feed at night himself. I'm still BF for the early evening and early morning feeds, so hopefully she is still getting some benefit. Unfortunately, the formula seems to be giving her stomach ache and constipation, so much I'm considering putting her on "Comfort" milk. The good side is that the lack of poo has cleared up her nappy rash (she was pooing all the time before!!!). Swings and roundabouts, then...

Took the DDs swimming today. As it's the holidays, their normal lessons weren't on, so they had a lesson together, with one other little girl. Amazed how well DD2 is doing, and how hard she tries. DD1 seems to not want to listen or try as hard as she could though, which is pretty frustrating (especially at £11 each per lesson hmm), and I'm sure she's going backwards, rather than progressing with some things. DD1 got her Stage 2 badge which was good, DD2 got her Duckling 2 badge and was absolutely delighted with it. Taking them horseriding with my friends DS on wednesday - hope they enjoy it (and don't fall off!)

Wrigglebum Tue 24-Jul-12 12:24:35

One of our grobags says 7lb and one says from 10lb. We've been using them from about 9 weeks but no real reason why we didn't a bit earlier.

Catsy, don't feel guilty- you've done well to get this far. What milk are you using? I found Cow & Gate first stage good when we moved ds1 at 9 months, others gave him stomach pains. She might just need time to adjust.

Ds1 has been doing settling in at preschool, it's going really well. He starts properly next week, two days 9-3. I'll miss him but I've had him full time for three years on Saturday! It will be nice to get time with just Adam too, we're going to a trial Gymboree session to see how we get on.

Got a connecta baby carrier that arrived today. I already love it! A bit of a faff strapping the straps around the back but I'll get used to it. It's really nice to wear and I think DH will like it.

Is anyone else finding their baby feeds a lot in this hot weather? I seem to be feeding loads in the day but the last two nights he's only fed once at nearly 5am!

SESthebrave Tue 24-Jul-12 14:59:01

Thanks Catsy and Wriggle. I've found a few that are 0-6 months so will get one to try with her.

Went into work this morning with Aoife and got lots of lovely comments. She did have an emergency nappy change on a colleague's desk though due to another explosion up her back.

goodname Tue 24-Jul-12 16:46:40

Catsy it is tough feeding while looking after 1 other ds so it must be really tough with two. I am lucky ds1 is quite clingy do tends not to run away or anything, he just hangs off me and wakes baby up when he's trying to get to sleep. Heard good things about colief drops. You put them in every bottle and it helps break down the lactose which is normally what's upsetting the stomach.
Both boys got snotty colds and not sleeping well. Weather is lousy here still, rubbish living in Scotland sometimes.

SirCharles Fri 27-Jul-12 08:17:50

sadsadsad <wails> where has the sun gone?? & why rain? <throws self on floor in a tantrum> & just when I had ordered a shade a baby for my pushchair to keep T protected from the sun. sad
We had just started to enjoy walks & picnics on the Common here in Nappy Valley.
There have been 2 periods of sunny weather since T was born - the week he was born when I slowly cooked in hospital and this week. Grrrrr. Where is the glorious weather everyone spoke of when they said "oooh, May, what a lovely time to have a baby & take mat leave"?

Anyway. How is everyone? Enjoying your hols? It is quiet on here.

We had our (delayed) 8 week check up & jabs yesterday. Apart from the screams from T at the time he seems to have been unphased by the jabs.
The dr was fab for my confidence too after the out laws had done their best to ruin it by telling me I was starving my baby and that he was so skinny he would need hospitalising if he fell ill. Not helpful at all & made worse by them being medics & not just voicing their concerns but telling me what to do too. Grrrr. How on earth are we supposed to learn to parent & develop if they stick their oar in so far? Of course I have had to grin & bear it. Anyway Dr says he is fine and the 9th centile line is ok to follow and some babies are just smaller. He is only 25th for length so not that large anyway - although his head is on the 91st..... Wonder where he gets that from blushgrin

How is everyone else doing? Anyone still topping up with ebm or supplementing with formula on top of the usual breast feeds? Am wondering how long this will be necessary....

LimeFlower Sun 29-Jul-12 11:49:27

Hello everybody

My bundle of joy is asleep just now(rare event) so will write a few words.

cupcake your wee one is huge!

SES my washing machine is on every day-sometimes just for a spin when i rinse some muslins and bibs.

Catsy and SirCharles my DS is on mixed feed just now-looks like he wasn't getting enough from me so had to top him up.He's very greedy,wants to gulp the bottle in one go(without any breaks for burping) which would result in projectile vomit (been there,done that).Every feed has him in hysterics when I have to burp him after every ounce.

Somebody mentioned here about having good milk(can't remember who though),if so,please tell me what do you eat?Was told to eat well because i lost some blood during labour and was anaemic but eating well and my milk is still rubbish?

He's filling nearly whole length of moses basket so i reckon will have to assemble the cot soon.

Centile wise-length 57 cm 9 days ago so bang in the middle but weight-just 3800 grams which is waaaay behind(or so I'm being told).

8 week check this week so hoping he's a bit heavier.

Looking forward to have some more sleep-MIL will come this week so will help me a bit with the chores-DH and I had huge row disagreement so he's not helping at all.

Everybody keeps saying it will get better...

Take care ladies,somebody just woke up...

Cydonia Sun 29-Jul-12 19:36:38

Sir Charles I'm right with you on the weather, I got the same comments about 'lovely time to have a baby'. Humph, one hot week in May and most of that spent in hospital having DS! And that was it. Even this week while the whole country sweltered we sat under our permanent sodding rain cloud. Worst summer weather I can remember, bloody typical! Anyway...
Glad to hear your 8 week check went well. I had a bit of a wobble last week as everyone's babies at the clinic were heavier than DS and he's only on the 2nd centile. But got lots of reassurance and support from the HV that he's fine so I guess I shouldn't worry. I'm still EBF so there's always that niggle that he's not getting enough. Started expressing this week so I can have the odd bottle for him if I want to leave him with someone else for longer than an hour! Went to get my hair cut on Friday ( not really a treat though as I hate going to the hairdresser! ), a friend had DS and said he took his bottle no problem and was very well behaved.
Looking forward to next week, we're starting to socialise at last - a baby play class and baby massage to start with! Hopefully I'll pick up some magic relaxation tips!

Cydonia Sun 29-Jul-12 19:38:32

Limeflower, I'm pretty sure someone recommended chocolate as a good breastfeeding food smile

cupcakefairy Mon 30-Jul-12 12:07:50

It was probably me talking about having way too much milk.. but I don't eat any kind of special foods..unless you count a LOT of cakes, biscuits and crisps!! grin
Have heard fenugreek supplement is meant to increase supply. And of course putting baby to the breast a lot.. think ds has been having a growth sport cos he fed so much more over the weekend and now I'm back to spurting milk all over him, just when I thought it was settling down!
I dreaded giving up bf with ds1 but I find myself really looking forward to stopping thus time <bad mummy> it's not that I don't enjoy it but just can't wait not to be restricted in clothing/bras, buying breast pads & able to leave him for long..bring on 6 months! (though I'll likely still keep up morning/bedtime bf for longer)

Right both mine are asleep so I'm going to nap too! Hope all are well today.

Wrigglebum Mon 30-Jul-12 18:19:50

Limeflower- your milk will be fine. Nature has designed it so that if you aren't eating well it will be you that suffers not your baby smile. Try to eat a good diet and drink plenty of water to make you feel better. Fennel tea, fenugreek and oats (flapjacks- yum) are recommended to boost supply. But better than that, try to feed often (at first signs of hunger, don't wait until they cry) and night feeds are important. Skin to skin is good. Carrying in a sling and co-sleeping are a good way to be near and responsive to your baby. Ignore anyone who says 'but he can't be hungry again'. Make 'if in doubt get them out' your mantra grin. If baby is doing plenty of wees and poos likelihood is they're getting enough. Some babies drop down a few centiles after birth then stay there. Does your hv seem pro-bf? If not and you want to keep feeding could you look for a bf support group in your area?

Cupcake, I'm a bit of a squirter too! Poor Adam ends up spluttering as jets of milk shoot out! I'm actually hoping to feed longer this time- I totally agree re the damn breast pads and restricted clothing choices but I found doing formula such a PITA it's a compromise I'm willing to make smile. Six months is amazing though and no need to feel bad.

I'm still loving my connecta sling, wore it all morning at the zoo and even managed a feed in it! I'm going to sell our close carrier and I quite fancy another sling- has anyone used a mei tai? The connecta is a buckled mei tai but wondering if I can cope with tying. Would be a cheaper way of getting a spare carrier (useful if one is in the wash). Slings are quite addictive!

Adam has started rolling from back to front! Poor boy flips over then gets a bit confused smile. He likes tummy time a lot more than ds1 did.

Ds1 starts nursery preschool tomorrow. He's been doing settling in and tomorrow is his first full day (9-3). I think I'll find it hard but will be nice to have time with Adam. Must resist temptation to get all housework done and actually play with Adam! Poor boy ends up being a bit neglected normally. He's three months old today, feels like he's been with us longer. DS1 is still craZy about him.

hi everyone, not been posting for a while but still avidly reading everyone's updates. Tessa is asleep and DD's 1&2 in bed, (if not asleep), so finally have a chance to write something.
10pm update: I'm back - T woke up so got interrupted again for another feed and settle! It's so hard to get on here bad write these days, no spare moments are there?!
I was very interested in the comments about all the different weights of our babies, sircharles, limeflower, cydonia & cupcake, having experienced anxiety in the past with dd1 - is she overweight? (91-98th centile most of the time) and dd2 - is she ill,

Pressed send by accident! Anyway dd2 was always poorly with reflux and small in weight and length from birth till fairly recently (25th centile or less most of the time).
Now, with dd3 she is currently 8 weeks and just got her weighed again today. She is 12lbs 4oz, and consistently following the 75th centile line, so really quite a big girl. She already has a chubby little face and legs - looks a lot older than 8 weeks really. And her head circ is on the 91/98th centiles... Her head was above all the centile scales at birth, although she does look normal, don't think you'd notice without a tape measure! (i did worry for a week or so if there was something wrong with her, but hv and gp assure me everything is fine). My guess is she will be like dd1 and end up being very tall, which is why dd1 chubbed out as a baby.
T has also had oral thrush for quite a long time, and it's taken a lot of fiddling around with creams in her mouth for weeks, and on my skin, to finally clear it. Didn't bother T at all, but a worry for me as it can cause terrible pain in your breast if it transfers to you when breastfeeding. I've never had to deal with this before, anyone else?
sircharles, I've been supplementing bf with formula feeds from very early on, as dd3 wanted to feed all the time - big baby and big appetite! I find mixed feeding works well for me, partly because I don't have time to do 45 min / 1hour breastfeeding which T wants every few hours, what with the other 2 girls to look after. So I alternate between a formula bottle and a breastfeed, probably doing a bit more formula feeding now overall.
How is everyone's sleep going ? T still can't go more than about 4/5 hours between feeds at night, (every 2-3 hours in the day), so I'm awake and feeding 2-3 times every night. I have a friend, wih baby of similar age, who's been sleeping through from 7pm to 7am almost every night, for weeks now! And that's been with ebf as well! I've had 3 babies, and never yet had one of those really good sleepers or worked out how to achieve that...
Will post again soon I hope!

SirCharles Wed 01-Aug-12 00:06:07

limeflower why do you think you do not have enoughg milk? Are you sure he is not just meant to be small right now? T feeds and feeds on me and the weight is starting to go on - thank goodness. But he is 9th centile for weight.
To keep up my supply I still have the hospital grade double pump we rented when we first hit problems. I pump 2-4 times a day for about 15 mins, whether or not anything is coming out., plus more at weekends when DH is about to take on choresv& nappy changes.
I also take Motherlove more milk capsules (available from amazon) and drink earth mama organic milkmaid tea or similar (also amazon).
I also have a toblerone & dairy milk habit!!!!!!
It will get better so hang in there smile

cydonia we too are starting to be more sociable. Baby massage yesterday, a LLL coffee morning today & NCT pitter patter play group tomorrow. Have also enquired after yoga & Pilates classes where babies can attend and am looking into baby music & baby swimming.
T loves other people& babies right now, whilst showing no interest what so ever in teddies or toys. He also seems to enjoy music. His personality is starting to come through - so exciting!

wrigglebum I wish I was a squirter! Instead I worry whether there is enough or if anything I am doing will reduce my supply.
I love my hana baby wrap sling but need a sling for when it is raining as the wrap drags on the floor whilst putting it on so not practical to put on outdoors in bad weather.
No rolling here yet. No signs either.....

LimeFlower Wed 01-Aug-12 08:54:09

Right then,will try to explain(hope DS won't wake up)

When DS was just over 3 weeks I had mastitis and was given antibiotics and ibuprofen.DS didn't want to take sore breast(as adviced by HV),doctor at the hospital said to express this breast and pour away the milk as it would be slightly salty(can't explain to you why,was told at the time)-that's why DS didn't want to take it.After expressing the milk production will be back to normal,keep latching DS to this breast.

The week I was taking AB and ibuprofen DS was taking the breast but kept throwing up after feeds.HV came and said he was dehydrated,next day she called me and suggested giving him formula.The same week he developed some rash,spots on his body(looked like hormonal teenager) and swab from belly button revealed some bacteria.Off to the GP,DS was given oitment with antibiotic for belly button,oral AB for spots and reflux medicine.

HV whinging he's not putting weight.

We went to bf clinic,they were very helpful,agreed to top up DS with formula as he wasn't putting ANY weight.5 weeks after birth he was barely over his birthweight.

DS wasn't sleeping at all during the day and waking up every hour at night-poor thing was just starving.

Since mastitis my breast slowed down a bit.I was told that demand determines the supply so more I feed more milk I'm going to have.DS is a hungry baby and will happily hang off my boobs 24/7.

I'm not 100% convinced to HV-just my gut feeling and caught her a couple of times talking rubbish.

DS takes the bottle every few hours and latches onto me in between.I don't force the formula down his throat,he gets it when his hungry AFTER boobs.

When I went to bf clinic they told me my milk supply might be working a bit slower because i lost some blood at labour and was anaemic so it was additional strain on my body.

I'm eating VERY well.Oat cereals for breakfast,meaty lunch to get some proteins,substantial dinner at night with plenty of snacks in between.Must improve my fruit&veg intake though.

Drinking fennel tea and stout(recommended by mw),won't touch fenugreek as i find it horrible.

Sorry,DS just woken up,will try to finish later...

Wrigglebum Wed 01-Aug-12 18:25:45

LimeFlower- sounds like you've had it really tough there. If you want to carry on bf I suggest you get in touch with a Breastfeeding expert via La Leche League, NCT or Breastfeeding Network. Then you can be a bit more confident about their advice than your hv's!

Fenugreek does come in capsule form if you still want to try it without the taste.

SirCharles Thu 02-Aug-12 07:43:28

oh limeflower" you poor mummy. You have had a tough time. I seconf *wrigglebum's suggestion of getting in touch with your local LLL or NCT BF support. I too have had a tough time, for different reasons, which resulted in low supply and a very skinny baby. I found the support i received from the NCT & LLL trained people to be superb. Sounds like you are eati8ng well. Have you considered double pumping to improve supply? The NCT/LLL people can advise you but it has really helped me in a short space of time. I am also on domperidone and the Motherlove more milk capsules, available on AmazaonMotherlove capsules seem to have an impact too (& you cannot taste the fenugreek which is a plus!). Fenugreek capsules are good too - to make a difference you need to be able to smell it in your urine or sweat. I smell a bit like a curry but most people dont notice - just me & DH!!!!.

The making more milk teas are good too - search on amazon and loads will come up.

i also read this: Making more milk book

Kellymom is also a good website - have you found it yet?

Ladybee Tue 14-Aug-12 12:17:42

Just posting to get this back - will have a good read and try to catch up in next day or so!

imissbrie Wed 22-Aug-12 15:55:32

hey does anyone have a link to the facebook group?

LimeFlower Mon 27-Aug-12 23:20:28

Hello ladiessmile
Somebody keeps you all busy? haha join the club then.
I can read no probs when i'm feeding DS but can't write at the same time.Now I'm writing and it's eating my sleeping time.
SirCharles and Wrigglebum thanks for your info.Visited bf clinic last week,the consultant lady said that it was perfect-DS has 2 bottles a day on average,sometimes 1 and today he had none but my nipples are shredded .She said she would be worried if he had 6 formula bottles a day.

DS is slowly fattening up and getting longer,MIL said his fingers are plump (they are) and has a lovely glowing complexion.He's bright as a button and doesn't like to be left alone.He's also very chatty but I haven't got a clue how to entertain him for longer so any suggestions welcome.

He's kind enough to let me have my breakfast without screeching but the rest of the day is very hard going,especially on the day like today-pissing down all day so couldn't go for a walk.The other days I walk with him for up to 3 hours.

Hope everything's going well for all of you,take care smile

BTW,i noticed today that May 2013 started in antenatal,remembered how frustrated i was this time last year...

Newtothisstuff Mon 27-Aug-12 23:35:18

Hey everyone... I haven't posted in ages.. Just been catching up with all the posts.
Sounds like some of you have had your hands full.
My lo is amazing, she sleeps through the night, drinks all her milk, laughs and can entertain herself, she just started rolling over too.
I'm soooo lucky.
My DD1 was an absolute nightmare, she's 6 and still doesn't sleep through the night, I was absolutely dreading the newborn stage with DD2 but phewwww she's fine !
DD1 hasn't taken to her as quickly as I'd like her too she's really rough with her ad gets annoyed if she cries. Any suggestions on how I can help their relationship along ? I have an aupair moving in at the start of next year and they will have to share a bedroom :-/

cupcakefairy Tue 28-Aug-12 08:22:19

Hi ladies it has been pretty quiet here! imissbrie sorry I'm not on the facebook group..is that where everyone is chatting?? smile

lime so glad you're persevering with feeding, well done, it sounds positive. A 2 year old is great entertainment for a baby if u can find one of those grin
Seriously though, do u have any of the baby Einstein/amazing baby type books with lots of black & white patterns, my lo loves them.

Ds2 was sleeping 8 or 9 hours at a time but the last couple of weeks he's been waking for 3 or 4 feeds a night <yaaawn> I'm guessing 12 week growth spurt so I'm really hoping it stops soon!

everybodywalkthedinosaur Thu 30-Aug-12 21:15:02

Hello everyone, I wasn't on your antenatal thread blush but hoping to join in on this one!
DD was born 22nd May, my first baby. I'm exclusively breastfeeding and hope think that I'm doing ok! She seems to be a brilliant sleeper, has been doing 10pm straight through to 5:30am since she was about 5/6 weeks old, think I got lucky! Now she's going 9:30/10 pm until 7 am, but will stir in her sleep about 6 so I get up and feed her in her sleep!
We've had a few rough patches, mainly due to the dreaded in-laws, contracting tonsillitus, stress etc.
I am finding it lonely as I live out in the middle of nowhere, there isn't a shop within walking distance, I don't drive and there's one bus every couple of hours. I just feel really cut off from everyone and very remote. DH keeps going on at me to go to mother and baby groups but doesn't actually realise how stressful getting into the nearest town is!

cupcakefairy Thu 30-Aug-12 23:14:41

Hi dinosaur just quickly stopping by to say hello so you're not unanswered smile thus thread has gone super quiet so we may not be the chattiest sorry! Sorry you feel lonely that is so hard with a new baby.. with my first I always found even having one thing to look forward to in the week helped loads so even if you just go into town on one regular day it will help loads..
My ds2 was born on 22nd May too smile what time was yours? Mine was 9.22pm, maybe we were in labour at the same time smile

everybodywalkthedinosaur Fri 31-Aug-12 09:59:32

She finally arrived at 8am, with no pain relief (I dislike that midwife more and more!), not even gas and air, not by my choice! I think it's probably my loneliness making things worse, I don't feel very confident by myself with her. Probably because of some idiotic comments on the bus (about reporting me to social services as she was crying) and loud tutting if she whimpers, it's put me off going on the bus!

LimeFlower Fri 31-Aug-12 22:37:15

Newtothis congrats on such an easy baby.Sounds like your older DD is a bit jealous of her sister and attention she's getting.

Cupcake no chance of getting 2 yo here,thanks for suggestion,found it not very helpful.Got DS one book,have a couple more bookmarked on Amazon.DH bought him cute little zebra toy,poor zebra is getting chewed on and all sorts.

Hi dinosaur lucky you with bf and looong nights.We're fine for night but wish had better milk supply.Sod the inlaws.Get yourself out please, it takes a while to get there but at least you'll get some adult conversations.

I'll try to write here more but it's very difficult sometimes-can read while bf DS laying down but can't write then.

HV comes next week,will see whether DS has put any weight on and if so how much.Were laughing with DH that DS was chicken weight when he was born,now he's the size of capon and should be medium size turkey for Christmas.MIL was horrified.

Went to mother and baby meeting,there was a baby massage afterwards-was hoping that this would entertain DS-no chance,he didn't enjoy it and expressed it with loud waaaaaaaah.Another waaaaaaaah was caused by butterflies on playmat.I was hoping to get him that but he just freaked out.

Take care girls smile

Cydonia Sun 02-Sep-12 09:21:58

Hi everyone, anyone else been kept busy with grizzly babies recently? DS seems to be on one long growth spurt, I thought once we reached the 'magic' 12 weeks there would be an improvement but he's got worse! Feeding every 1-2 hrs during the day, crying a lot, hard to get to nap during the day then waking every 2 hrs in the night!! I'm told this is normal growth spurt/development behaviour....

On a positive note he has become a lot more smiley and 'chatty' when he is in a good mood and has started going down to sleep a bit easier of a night. I agree it's hard to know how to keep them amused, DS is very active and seems to get bored, but is still a bit young to be interested in toys. He does love his baby gym and bashing at the toys in his bouncy chair. I've also made my own black and white pictures for him ( recommended on another thread ) which he seems interested in. And for some reason he likes my appalling singing! smile

Dinosaur I would ignore the rude people on the bus, you can't help your baby crying and have just as much right to be there as they do! You will definitely feel better for getting out and about even if it is a bit of a task! I've been going to a few baby groups and find DS behaves much better if we get out compared to if we've stayed in all day. Do you have any friends or relatives close by who could come and pick you up? I'm on my own a lot as DP works long night shifts and it can get you down. I am very jealous of your sleep though smile

Hello Ladies, long time no see...how is everyone?
Sophia is doing wonderfully, she is still on oxygen but otherwise is a beautiful smiley bundle of gorgeous.
I have put a couple of more recent pics on my profile. She was 11lb 9oz at last weigh in so has put nearly 10lb on since birth!! Woooo.....
Time really has flown, we are dealing with teething and weaning now confused

cupcakefairy Sun 02-Sep-12 12:51:08

Hi ladies.. gotmylamb that is fab news about Sophia's weight, she must be a tiny wee thing compared to my massive monster of a baby grin

cydonia we have the exact same thing of a lot more night wakings, ds is 14 weeks. He was just waking once a night but now it's more like 5 times & also feeding 2 hourly in the day sad really hoping it'll pass soon!

Hi cupcake she seems massive to me!! But she is probably a lot smaller. Im not liking reading about this sleep regression...Sophia sleeps from about 9.30pm - 7.30am, i'm used to it now, can't cope with starting night feeds again sad

everybodywalkthedinosaur Sun 02-Sep-12 16:37:05

I had to get the bus on Friday to go to the doctors, and bumped into an old friend. I'm making myself go tomorrow, have got a chocolate and beetroot cake in the oven as I type. I think that my confidence has waned, feels like a huge responsibility now!
In regards to her sleeping, I know I'm very lucky. I've been doing the same routine with her since she was about 9 days old. Go upstairs with her at 9 to my bedroom which has a blackout blind so it's nice and dark and quiet, she feeds furiously and then drops off. Somehow it just works!
Sadly no relatives around during the day, fell out with in-laws over their behavior in the first few weeks! But I think if I just start doing it more I'll feel better about it!

Otherwise, I'm loving being a mother, it's made me feel complete. DD loves black and white books and this week has been smiling and 'talking' to her reflection! It's amazing how much progress is made in one day!

LimeFlower Sun 02-Sep-12 23:21:32

Evening ladiessmile

DS went to sleep at last so i'm here munching some chocolate

Cydonia i could have written your post at some point-DS is fine in the chair for a while bashing the fancy teething cube and mauling cuddling the zebra but then gets bored and starts crying.This week he started yapping like mad-i'm afraid that he'll be one of these kids that never stop talking.Ordered baby gym off Amazon but they mailed me that's not in stock at the moment.You might be jealous of my sleep but i'm jealous of your feeding.

LittleLamb congrats on your beautiful,brave wee bundle,she's a real fighter and did a great job catching up.

dinosaur any chance of a recipe pleeeeease?I love beetroots,it's my favourite veg.Have a good day tomorrow,sod the inlaws.

cupcake,got DS a book,thanks for suggestion,ordered another 2 at Amazon-DS is very interested in the book,looked at it,smiled and made loads of new noises as i showed him the pages.

As for the other stuff:
His mind is a bit ahead of his body-he tries to sit up but obviously can't do it yet.When I have him in bed propped up on the pillows and let him grip my fingers with both hands he lifts himself into sitting position.I tried to put him onto his tummy-he hates that.
Dribbling like mad,goes through 4 bibs a day and 2 changes of clothes on average but surely too early for teething?Suddenly his vests started to be a bit tight and trousers end mid-calf.

Question time for you ladies:If you bf every 2 hrs,how long does your DC spend time feeding?Asking because I don't want to decrease my already small milk supply-DS used to spend sometimes an hour at one boob and then whinge for the other(obviously he got it).Now he spends less time at the boobs and I'm wondering whether he empties them quicker or my milk supply is decreasing?

My nipples are knackered due to DS pulling at my boobs-sometimes he looks into my eyes still sucking and smiles letting the nipple go (ouch!) and sucking it again(ouch!).Bf consultant said to take him off the breast if he's playing like that because he's not hungry then but DS protests.

Are your DC's farting?I can't believe that such a small baby can expell such a loud and long farts,I even accused DH of blaming poor child for his own stinkies.

Right then,off to bed.Will try to post a bit more,take care smile

cupcakefairy Mon 03-Sep-12 09:49:58

lime glad the books were a success smilemy ds feeds for only about 10 mins or less on each boob now. I can tell when he's drained it & is just suckling for comfort as you can't hear the swallowing anymore and the sucking motion changes. Mine also clamps my nipple in his lips while looking up at me, so cheeky! I tend to take him off quite firmly if he does that so he learns it's not nice!
As for teething, it can take months of dribbling/chewing before teeth appear.. apparently it's cos they can feel the teeth moving under their gums, not sure if that's true.

We've been back to just 2 wakings the last couple of nights so hope the growth spurt is ending!

dinosaur great news about getting out, and yum to the cake! My post-baby diet starts today so no more cakes and biscuits for me sad got 2 stone to shift!

everybodywalkthedinosaur Mon 03-Sep-12 11:53:22

cupcake the recipe uses oil instead of butter and has LOADS of beetroot in it so is therefore super healthy!

LimeFlower Mon 03-Sep-12 12:14:44

dinosaur,post the recipe please

cupcake i'm on the same boat-11 kg to prepregnancy weight but told to forget diets when i feed DS.I have to loose it as my bone frame isn't huge and my body will suffer in the future.Somebody told me if i ditch carbs and increase protein intake i will lose weight without affecting bf.Good luck with the diet-let us know how you're getting on.

Wrigglebum Mon 03-Sep-12 15:22:02

Wow nice to see some activity on here again smile.

Welcome dinosaur. Definitely ignore the bus idiots, babies cry and social services would need to employ half the country if they were to investigate every crying baby!

Lovely to see more pics of your gorgeous girl little lamb, looks like she is doing so well. At her age ds1 was only a couple of pounds above that weight and he was born at term!

Glad the feeding is going better Lime. They do get more efficient now so feed for less time. Adam still feeds pretty much every two hours in the day and takes between 1 and 15 minutes to feed. It tends to be more frequent feeding at the start and end of the day.

In terms of entertainment a big brother definitely helps! We have this and it's a real hit with Adam. He also quite likes his play gym but whenever we put him down he flips onto his tummy. He then tries to move but can't quite manage it. Poor boy is getting rather frustrated! I also made him a taggie blanket which is getting thoroughly chewed!

Better go as I can smell a dirty nappy!

cupcakefairy Mon 03-Sep-12 16:46:11

lime yeah that's basically what I'm doing..cutting out bread & crisps so having salad with some kind of protein (cheese/fish/egg) at lunch, and cutting out all sugar. First day today & I desperately want crisps!! I'm also gonna start swimming one evening a week now ds is settled at 7pm.

LimeFlower Mon 03-Sep-12 17:57:00

cupcake i love bread,haven't got enough will power to go on no carbs diet.You must be addicted to crisps if you want them so much!Any chance to replace them with some veg crisps?I know it's not the same,but...
Jealous of your swimming sessions,wish i could do it but DH is not too keen on staying with DS on his own-vicious circle-DS is crying when DH is in charge of him so he passes him over to me so DS prefers me.

Wrigglebum,nice to see you smile DS is still on mixed feed but doing well.HV comes on Wednesday so will see how my wee chicken is doing re weight.DS is chewing on everything,even my hand when i hold him.Got an email from Amazon,the'll send me playmat this week-yeeeah,managed to get the last one cheaper.Hope DS will like it,otherwise i'll go bananas-haven't got a clue how to entertain him!

Keep writing ladies if you have a while(easier said than done)

Wrigglebum Mon 03-Sep-12 19:16:28

A good walk is always nice entertainment for baby and if you can do it fairly fast it's great exercise to shift the weight too. Songs are always good too and just talking to them as you potter around. We play peekaboo when folding the washing for example.

Can't believe Adam is 18 weeks now!

everybodywalkthedinosaur Mon 03-Sep-12 19:27:43

limeflower I used this recipe www.bbc.co.uk/food/recipes/chocolatebeetrootcak_71739 but used sunflower oil in place of corn oil (chef Google said that any plant based oil bar olive can be used as a substitute), used 300g of beetroot and baked it in a loaf tin for a hour.

LimeFlower Mon 03-Sep-12 19:44:14

Wrigglebum when the weather was fine i was walking DS for up to 3 hrs daily.Now it's either p**sing rain or just about to p**s (I'm in north Scotland).

18 weeks-wow!How does it feel?My DS is 6 weeks younger.

dinosaur thanks for recipe smile

Cydonia Mon 03-Sep-12 20:35:49

LimeFlower, yes to the farts! DS did such a loud one as we walked past a man with his dog I swear he thought it was me! When he deigns to burp they're usually belters too, the little charmer.
Feeding wise it depends, anything from 10 to 30 mins but average is 15. I think they're supposed to get more efficient, though I found DS would feed for longer when in a spurt, probably for comfort?
He's also been drooling and fist chewing for weeks! I have been told that it can be just a development thing but also that they get the signs of teething long before the teeth. Most of the babies at my massage group are the same.
DS is still very up and down with his sleeping and I think it's affecting his moods. Last night he didn't sleep well at all and was really grumpy all morning, screaming his head off and I couldn't comfort him sad He refused to nap, only went to sleep when we went out in the car by which time he'd been awake for 6 hrs! He woke up a different baby! Wish I could get him to see that sleep is not the enemy. I've just got 'The no cry sleep solution' for some ideas, if I ever get chance to read it.......

LimeFlower Wed 05-Sep-12 23:03:34

Cydonia ,my DS hardly sleeps at all during the day.Thank goodness he sleeps at night,because at the end of the day i'm shattered.I remember going out in the car when DS had colic-after few hours of screaming we've had enough.

He started chewing on his fists and dribbling like mad-today he went through about 6 bibs.

Glad he's not the only one with noisy backside,everytime he offloads gas or solids it causes roars of laughter.

Went to MIL today,she has digital scales so roughly can weigh him-he put about 600 grams in 12 days.Not too bad considering he had problems with weight gain,I had a problem with milk and he's getting only 2 bottles a day as a top up-each of them 4 oz.Tonight he had just one bottle-came back home lateish so fed him myself and put him to his basket.

Clothes rant that I was going to do for ages:Why there's such a difference in sizes even within the same company?If I get clothes 3-6 months some of them are for 3 and some for 6 months.No problem with outer clothing as you can roughly estimate whether they fit or not,but sleepsuits?

Will have to put his cot up as he's filling nearly all basket.

Right then,off to bed,take care ladiessmile

goodname Sat 08-Sep-12 19:59:08

When I had ds1 I used to struggle with the entertainment thing. I used to walk to the suoermarket most days as he loved being in the trolley staring at all the lights and all the old people would make a big fuss of him. he liked the noise and people in cafes as well. If I was really stuck I would run a bath and get in with him and have a really long bath, usually resulted in good naps afterwards. libraries have rhyme time in our area for little ones, baby massage is good cos you meet other people too. local church halls had baby and toddler things on a couple of times a week and a singing thing was held in a community room of a school. Usually quite a lot going on to fill days with. Now with ds2, hes just dragged around with me and ds1, must say time is much easier to fill altho much more exhausting.
We also live in middle of nowhere dinosaur but the council here has a flexibus scheme which runs like a taxi but costs bus prices,
Sleep here was going well, just one feed a night but up to 2-3 just now for some reason.
DS2 is very cute just now, lots of smiles and laughing which is jus as well as ds1 has turned into a truly terrible 2 year old, constant whys and tantrums so hard to deal with him consistently when looking after the baby as well

cupcakefairy Sun 09-Sep-12 08:02:08

Local churches are a great tip goodname, I only discovered them when ds1 was about 18 months. If you google all the churches in your area you can find out which days they have their parent and toddler groups on. They're great cos they're usually much cheaper than classes (or free) and usually you get a cup of tea too! I take my 2 ds to different ones every morning of the week (though I do have the luxury of living in a city)

Ds2 is still waking loads here too sad also has a nasty cold so couldn't get himself back to sleep last night..I got about 3 hours sleep sad

goodname Sun 09-Sep-12 21:17:29

Is anyone else tempted to start feeding solids a bit early? I was thinking about 5 months as the wee one seems so much hungrier now

cupcakefairy Tue 11-Sep-12 07:54:12

Yep I definitely am tempted.. ds2 is waking all the time in the night, and feeding 2 hourly in the day. He's like a different baby the last couple of weeks, so whingey and hungry, really exhausting. He's 16 weeks today so will hopefully start soon!

LimeFlower Sat 15-Sep-12 22:55:49

goodname DS is brilliant when we go out to the shops with him,not a squeak.The problem is that we live 30 miles from nearest town(not much there),bus is twice a day.I don't go by bus because if I go to town I want to grab some shopping-I'm food shopaholic so need a bit more space than at the bottom of the pushchair.

I was wondering how people manage two kids with small age gap because I'm already thinking about another child- must be mad how do you find it?How do you deal with it?

cupcake I'm waiting for toddler group to start in the village-not a hoot yet.Hope your wee one got rid of the cold and you're getting more sleep.

Got some stuff of ebay tonight-DS doesn't like to get dressed in anything that comes through his head.I manage to put a vest on him but any attempts to put the top results in a fight.All the stuff I got has zippers/poppers/buttons at the front.

His playmat has come and he's fascinated by it-hopefully he won't get bored too quickly.

Off to bed,take care ladies x smile

goodname Sun 16-Sep-12 21:04:40

Limeflower how do you cope? 30 miles from the shops? ahhh

goodname Sun 16-Sep-12 21:06:35

Oh and two is wonderful and a piece of cake on a good day and the worst thing i have ever done on a bad day. seriously though I am glad I did as the absolutely adore each other smile

LimeFlower Sun 16-Sep-12 23:12:54

goodname,I don't mind,just got used to that.I'm not a person who likes the gadgets,every mobile phone lasts me a few years,food shopping once a week,no tv(we resigned).I've got my laptop,books,garden to look after and most recently DS.I live in a beautiful place (Scottish Highlands) in a quiet village.

MIL knows that I already want another one,DH doesn't.He might be very difficult to convince.

Is anybody else lurking here?Please write a few words how's things.

cupcakefairy Mon 17-Sep-12 07:36:17

I'm always lurking lime hello smile I'm really glad we had 2 close together, it's lovely. Hard some days, but mostly lovely. Hope u can convince your dh! We got pregnant couple of months after ds1's 1st birthday, seems to be quite common to start TTC around then so maybe he'll think about it more then x

LimeFlower Mon 17-Sep-12 07:59:01

Morning cupcake smile

Well,will try to talk to DH next year because if start now he'd be running for the hills grin.The beginning of parenthood was a shock to both of us,so many stereotypes we believed turned out to be rubbish.3 months since DS is here and both of us adjusted.

Will have to decide in the next couple of years as I'm over 35 and DH is in his mid-forties.

Thanks for advice,will try to talk to DH next year-our DS is the youngest in the family as all our cousins and both sisters are childless-everybody in their forties and doesn't look like any of them is going to have children sad

Would be good for DS to have a brother or sister-just somedody his age to grow up with and to turn to when he's older.

LimeFlower Mon 17-Sep-12 08:05:08

Forgot to add:last week I was sorting DS's chest of drawers,packed all clothes that he grew out of into the box.I was wondering how could I to get rid of them,decided to sneak them into the loft or hide them somewhere in case they come handy again...

Bodeccia Mon 17-Sep-12 09:15:57

Hello again ladies! Nice to see some people on this thread again - we must have seriously been hit by new baby fog :D

Yes to wanting another DC, I felt that really strongly even in the delivery room with DC1! Just have to figure out how to get DH on board... we had to go down the IVF route with DD and I do feel very blessed to have her. But I want her to have a wee bro or sis, but I don't know if we'll have to do IVF again (££s). So many people have said that they know people who have conceived naturally after having their first child on IVF, but who knows... I'm on the pill at the mo just as a precaution. Although it seems like contraception is a waste of time for me - I was on it for 10 years, then spent 6 years TTC! Pff...

No to weaning early here. At least, no at the moment. DD is 17 weeks now so I could start theoretically, but she's showing no interest. I'm going to take her lead, I'm sure she'll let me know if she wants to try "real food".

I don't have any strategies on keeping DD occupied. No clue. I get bored myself. We've started swimming (SUPER FUN), God, I love it (probably more than DD...).

I'm going back to work in a month, so I've been going from bf to ff - cue lots of "fun" trying DD to take a bottle and formula. We've cracked it now though, but I do feel like a (kind of) expert on what to do to get little ones to take a bottle.

DD seems massive (although she's only 6.5kg), she is wearing 6 - 9 month clothes. 3 - 6 month clothes are too tight on her chest and leggings/trousers look like knickerbockers!

Will check back in later

goodname Mon 17-Sep-12 20:59:10

Oh how do you get them to take a bottle? I have tried with expressed milk just for car journeys as he is terrible in the car and also so I can leave him with dh for longer than an hour (he is in no real schedule and is super hungry) but have had no sucess.
Finn is definately interested in foood, he looks longingly at our food and dives for it, managed to grab some of my plate and into his mouth one time. I have so far given him some banana which ds1 didnt want, i just gave him it whole and he devoured it. He slept all night after it but thats probably a coincidence.
He wasnt so keen the next day and its so messy I have reisited trying again, bit sad at the idea of him growing up aswell as I wont have another one.
Limeflower I am not big on shopping either, in fact now I have 2 I get all mine delivered but I do like the distraction of a town to walk around sometimes and a good coffee shop smile. We live in the country so actually spend most days just pottering around with the two of them, not looking forward to being stuck in more in winter, I really hate being cold. We are only 7 miles from nearest reasonable town (St.Andrews - we are in scotland too) though.lots of villages round about for playgroups and stuff.
How is everyone getting on with bedtime routines, schedules, Finn is terrible, still feeds for most of the evening, he is feeding right now in fact. I dont mind too much as he then sleeps well at night unlike ds1 but it makes it really hard to get anything done.

Bodeccia Tue 18-Sep-12 09:26:45

I posted on the breast and bottle feeding forum (there's loads of advice there on how to give bottles - as well as lots of mums having trouble getting LO to take a bottle). Here's a cut/paste. You don't have to get them to take a bottle, btw. You could go straight on to soft beakers, real food and bfeed. Anyway, hope this post helps:

Hi fellow bottle-battlers

I have been struggling getting my 3.5 month old to take a bottle and only now am I feeling like we're getting somewhere. It has taken me two weeks of trying various strategies every day. It has been a PITA, and it has stressed me out at times. This is what I did:

1) I tried giving a bottle of formula which she plainly refused. She had taken a bottle before but it had been a while.
2) I expressed milk and tried giving it to her. She didn't want to know
3) I expressed milk every day and tried different teats to see if one was better. I would stop expressing after about 20 mls because it was depressing throwing it all away when she wouldn't take it and it had been reheated. I was also buggered if I was going to spend ££s on new bottles/teats to see if that helped. (having said that Dr. Nars? was recommended, as was tommy tippee? I didn't try either, I just wanted to wait and see what happened with my philips avent).
4) After a week she would chew rather than suck the teat. I tried these (even though it says 6+ months old). I figured she made more of a flat shape with my boob when she fed, maybe this was more natural to her (clearly I have no clue). Anyway, finally she realised she needed to suck.
5) She started to suck regular teats and took 1oz
6) She started to take more expressed breast milk (4oz)
7) I mixed formula with breast milk (30/70%) and today reduced the ratio to 50/50. She ate it all no problem

Tomorrow I'm going to give her a 100% formula bottle and officially drop a feed.
She takes the bottle from me (when she is in her bouncer), DH and her gran.
It has been better for her to "practise" the bottle when she isn't starving. I gradually moved "bottle time" from the middle of the feed to the beginning.

I wasn't keen on the tough love approach, I didn't want this to be a battle. I just believed that she would take it if I just kept chipping away and made sure that everyday we would practise the bottle at some point.

As I say, this has been a PITA, but I'm glad there's some light at the end of this tedious tunnel. Good luck, and I hope some of this can help in some way.

Wrigglebum Tue 18-Sep-12 09:33:57

Another one still lurking smile.

We haven't even bothered trying to get this one to take a bottle after having total refusal from ds1. At this age you could always try a cup instead.

Adam is 20 weeks now and no weaning here yet. Ds1 was on a few purées by now but that was due to the reflux- it helped keep everything down. With Adam I think we'll try a bit more like baby led weaning- lots of finger food so he can feed himself (ds1 at 3 still wants to be fed!). They do say when they can pick up the food, get it into their mouth and chew then they're ready. I think we'll start just putting some soft fruit and veg in front of him soon and see if he can do it. Then we can jump in with more variety in six weeks when he hits six months.

We have a bedtime routine here (7pm like his brother) but not a lot else. He normally has a sleep around 9.30 then 2-3 more before bedtime. Naps seem to be getting shorter- I think he's reached that phase of being too interested in everything to sleep.

Church playgroups are good so certainly worth checking out- we have quite a lot around here (I'm in a city) but lots have waiting lists shock so worth checking if you need to put your name down. Singing classes are pretty good too and I really recommend sing and sign when they get a bit bigger- from Jan start of term would be a good time. We did a Gymboree class but at £35 a month (£8+ a session shock) I don't think we'll carry on.

SESthebrave Tue 18-Sep-12 15:37:02

Hello! Just realised there's been more chat on here. Good to read all your updates smile

Aoife is now 14 weeks old and doing really well. She is such a happy content little girl and I really appreciate it as the first few months with DS were very hard.

Interesting to hear of others having difficulty getting their LOs to take a bottle. We've tried and she's having none of it. I left her for a couple of hours with a friend and a bottle of expressed milk. My friend said it was like A thought she was poisoning her! I've left it this week and will try again next week.

In terms of activities, A gets taken along to DS's things - Jo Jingles usually wears her out! We also go to Rhyme Time at the local library.

As for bedtime, I'm starting to think we could do a routine at around the same time as DS's bedtime as she does settle after a feed at around 8.30pm. I could just try and bring that a bit earlier and somehow do both DD and DS at the same time hmm

LimeFlower Wed 19-Sep-12 00:19:52

Wow,what a traffic!Nice to see you allsmile

Bodeccia when I hear stories like yours (IVF) I feel so ashamed that I was whinging about my "late" motherhood,I had it so easy comparing to some people but still remembering feeling resentful towards DH who kept me waiting for so long.
Can you tell me how does the swimming looks like?Sorry,I'm an ignorant and thought it's more like paddling with the wee one.The leisure centre in the city has 2 pools:recreational and competition one.I can recall kiddies being in recreational shallow bit.
Enjoy the remaining month at home with DD and good luck at work.
I'm curious how your DD looks like in 6-9 clothes.DS has the other problem-he's long but thin so the sleepsuits are filled in length but very loose at the tummy.I must say that tesco and primark are better "propotioned" clothwise than mothercare.Shame on them as they are so expensive.

goodname shock grin at your DS grabbing the food and shoving into his mouth-I had picture of mine doing the same as yesterday he was ogling our plates at the dinner.
We are 30 miles away from Inverness,about 20 to nearest town with shops.Went there today,got some food stocked up but spent far too much money.I like going to town for the sake of DS being sound asleep so peace and quiet for me.
I'm going to just one group once a week-the car I'm running takes loads of fuel so I can't go out a few times a week.
How do you manage to type when you're feeding?As for routine-mine has a bath first then gets a bottle for the night and that's him till 4-5 am.

wrigglebum shock about the price and waiting lists.here most of the groups are either free or costs at most couple of quid but you get tea/cofee and biscuit.

SES glad to hear from you,Aoife is just 2 days younger than my DS smile sorry,but the rest of May babies seem to be so far ahead of June ones

Going to MIL tomorrow,she's having her cast taken off on Thursday(broke her hand poo thing).Went to the town with DS,he woke up at the butchers and was flirting smiling to all ladies working there.

Well then,off to bed,will catch up with you later,keep writing smile

LimeFlower Wed 19-Sep-12 00:20:43

MIL is a poor thing,not a poo blush

Bodeccia Wed 19-Sep-12 09:39:21

Lime, don't feel bad about having the odd moan about motherhood! I feel totally justified when I get stressed/irritated at DD because I'm human smile The IVF path was really long and emotionally very difficult, but we hit the jackpot first time round so we were super lucky. That doesn't mean that my LO is any more special or that my problems are any more important. TBH, I love my LO to bits, but I can't wait to get back to work in a month's time. There, I've said it grin

To swim with a baby, baby is on the stomach looking at you, and you have your hands flat (palms up) under the stomach with your thumbs hooked around baby's shoulders. As you then go backwards, the baby moves forwards and floats and kicks. You can also to a type of back floating where you hold the baby on its back and try and get him/her to relax in the water. DD is very relaxed now in the water, and I can hold her with one hand under her neck/shoulders and sing Twinkle Twinkle Little Star while making a twinkling star with my left hand above her head. She sleeps like a baby (err...!) when we've finished, she's always knackered and happy smile

Last word on the bottle feeding: I was out the other day, the car was in the garage and I was stuck in town. I forgot LO's bottle, so I went and bought another one (through gritted teeth). I got one of the new philips avent natural bottles rather than a bog standard one we have at home - just thought I'd try it. Well... LO has much less wind, latches on much easier, doesn't gag/choke or whatever... Looks like I'll have to get a couple more of them even though I'm trying not to spend money unnecessarily... grrr!

Sorry to hear about your MIL's hand Lime, hope she's better soon

SES: I imagine the green/foamy poo issue has sorted itself out now?

I'm going to France tomorrow, we've got passports sorted (DD looks like a peanut) and its bon voyage to us! Can't wait smile

LimeFlower Wed 19-Sep-12 11:25:57

Bodeccia thanks for the info re swimming.

I never mentioned Avent bottles because I assumed they are so popular that everybody heard about them.DS is on mixed feed and getting formula in Avent bottles-they have breast shaped teats and they come in 3 or 4 different flows.DS is on the slow flow as he's so greedy but will have to change it soon in preparation for his teeth.Their microvawe steriliser is brilliant but breast pump is rubbish.

Have a good time in France,don't forget to bring some goodies smile

Wrigglebum Wed 19-Sep-12 13:34:07

Limeflower- I have extensive experience of buying for skinny boys grin. You are right about Tesco and Primark being good. I love the fit of Primark stuff on both my boys. Sainsburys is also pretty good and Baby Gap- expensive but great quality and good deals in the sales and when they do their 30% off times if you'r