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Just Mumming Along (viroids 2)

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Eskarina Mon 14-May-12 20:10:19

Tried to post on the original thread and my post got rejected as its full! Have copied and pasted below....

Congrats on the job offer ttl...hope the other one comes up trumps for you too.

Dd isn't quite crawling yet, but would very much like to. She is the queen of the Klingons at the moment, and has a meltdown the second I put her down, look in the opposite direction, or if someone else so much as looks at her. Not all the time thankfully, but definitely for part of every day.

On the bf thing, it's so personal.....I've just dropped doing the afternoon feed myself be cause dd is so distractible that she bobs on and off, which I don't like around other people, and now she finally has teeth the constant latch on/off was really hurting. I just bf once a day, our morning snuggle when she's nice and calm. I would be sad to give that one up just yet.

CuriosityCola Mon 14-May-12 20:19:48

Marking my place...will find a moment to do a proper post ASAP smile

Eskarina Mon 14-May-12 20:24:22


Fraktal Mon 14-May-12 20:27:34

Found you all again!

I'm so crap at MNing...

I hope everyone is well.

vallinnapod Mon 14-May-12 22:47:36

DS is a party baby...! We have just been out for a quick Pizza Express for my birthday and he was entertaining all around us with grins and general gorgeousness!

CuriosityCola Wed 16-May-12 19:30:38

Quick update...ds is crawling and climbing all over the place. Thus the lack of mning! Still waking numerous times during the night, so co-sleeping the second part of the night to survive. Been told off by the health visitor. It might be ok now but just wait until he is a toddler <eyebrows of doom and catsbum mouth when I giggled>.

Food weaning going very well. Agree with whoever said that paper is the new best food group! grin Ds is very generous as he often offers me his food or I-phone (whichever he is munching).

How is everyone else?

cowboylover Fri 18-May-12 21:06:31

Found you smile

Congratulations on the job TTL! That's great news.

DD started shuffling about 10 days ago and now is getting around at surprising speed and wants I be on her feet for the first time and us doing a crazy goose step walk when I hold her hands but when she starts getting it she gets way to excited and musts bounces around!

Still breastfeeding a few times ago but she is starting to enjoy cows milk in her beaker. Never got her to take a bottle but been back at wok since she was 8 months and she was happy with just food in the day until I got home. I don't know about stopping as one part of me thinks it's easier to and the other is thinking the older she gets the harder it is going to be to stop her? hmm

Little party for her 1st birthday next Saturday so trying to hope for sunshine or I'm going to have to rethink the BBQ

CuriosityCola Sat 26-May-12 09:14:59

Happy first birthday to your little one cowboy. Hope you have this lovely sunshine for her first birthday party! smile

FeijoaVodkaPlease Mon 28-May-12 14:12:30

I have the old thread on my watch list and have been thinking, it's gone all quiet. Finally got round to posting today and Opps, thread is full and you're all over here.

FeijoaVodkaPlease Mon 04-Jun-12 14:45:58

Oh I killed the thread sad

CuriosityCola Tue 05-Jun-12 21:22:41

No you never. smile I'm still managing to lurk occasionally. Ds wants to eat my phone every time he sees it...not good for Mumsnetting!grin

CuriosityCola Sun 10-Jun-12 09:13:48

I thought it might be nice if everyone did a little update?

1) age of dc
2) how advanced they are wink (crawling etc)
3) back to work, how is it/ plans to remain sahm
4) to js again or not js plans? grin
5) weaning highs and lows
6) any other business

1) ds is just over 9 months
2) he is crawling and pulling himself up on furniture. Keeps getting stuck and grumpy under the kitchen chairs.
3) telling everyone I want to remain a sahm as its such a precious time. Mostly just terrified of job hunting and interviews!
4) Jsing again.
5) Blw still going very well an back on track slightsidetrack--with--Ella's--pouches--at--one--point. Only problem is that I end up eating ds's left overs. Still mostly bf and thus co-sleeping.
6) any advice on getting my pfb to sleep? What to other co-sleepers do first thing in the evening?

I'm sure I could have made this funnier or more interesting, but been up since 4.30am... Ds has a nasty cold. Time for pancakes to make out day better smile

FeijoaVodkaPlease Sun 10-Jun-12 15:41:43

1) DD turns the big 1 in exactly 3 weeks shock!
2) She's now walking more than cruising and looking at her today I'd say she'll be full time walking by the end of the week. She is also talking! She learnt bear today. As in teddy bear. Turns out she also knows teddy.
3) Will be SAHM for the forseeable future. Which is fine by me.
4) JSing. Literally JUST shagging. With no other intentions. I have a coil.
5) despite my secret on going wibbles and worries, we've managed BLW all the way. DD just will not be spoon fed now anyway. I now try to give her milk post meal, as she eats so little some days, but then the napular evidence shows that something is going in wink. We are still bfing, and I don't know when I'm going to stop. Never is DD has her way!
6) I still feed her to sleep, and she still spends half the night in our bed. DS was a breeze, self settling and he NEVER slept in our bed. Sorry.
Compared to how chaotic my life was this time last year, these days the FeijoaVodka household is doing much much better. grin

Oh and DS and I made a chocolate cake today. Please help yourselves to a wedge slice.

vallinnapod Sun 10-Jun-12 20:29:50

Man - I had the wrong thread on my watch list...idiot!

Love your update idea - ours is below smile

I am sure we have a few more birthdays around this time?

All good here...now! Poor DS survived his muscle biopsy like a star but then spent two weeks trying to fight off a (unrelated) fever/virus which culminated in a trip to A&E with a temp of 41 degrees sad Scary as hell. Most stressful time of my life. I feel bloody exhausted by it all. Still, pretty sure it is all over.

1) 9 months and 10 days - I cannot believe he has been out for as long as he was in!

2) DS is clearly a child prodigy. He has never uttered the word Dadadada but says Mamamamama all the time. To everything. Just not me.

He is crawling and can pull himself to standing. He loves pointing - not like 'look at that' but like prodding. It is now his stock reaction to everything new...before whatever it is gets shoved in his mouth.

He grabs EVERYTHING. Especially large chunks of my face and neck. When he occasionally by which I mean every night ends up in bed with us I am woken b him pulling my mouth confused. When in bed with us he also sleep horizontally between DH and myself during which time he constantly kicks me and thumps DH. Good job we love him grin

There is also no questioning his paternity as he can remove bottles of wine from our wine rack with alarming ease, showing particular dexterity with the champagne.

3) Plan to go back at the end of September. Mat leave officially over 27 August but with bank hols and annual leave my first day back is likely to be 27 September. I am sort of looking forward to it and dreading it in equal measures. Pretty sure work have agreed to my request for 4 days a week with one of those from home which it brilliant. It also looks likely I will go back to the role I left which is a plus. However, the team I was in has had a complete change and my new boss is based in Germany. TBH I wouldn't be surprised if he wanted someone local to do me role. Still, we will see.

We don't have a confirmed nursery place yet either which isn't great, especially as DS has been waiting since November hmm

DH has said if I was made redundant I wouldn't have to go back. The idea does appeal but then DS is pretty hardcore. He is just none stop. Work will be a bit of a break! I think he will also thrive beginning around other kids. I do worry a bit though. 4 longs days is an awful lot for such a small bub. In an ideal world he would go several mornings/afternoons a week but hey ho! I also worry, as DS is a really self-sufficiently little boy. By which I mean give him some toys and people to watch and he will entertain himself for hours. In a nursery setting I worry that more clingy/boisterous children will get all the attention and not him <stupid Mama worries>

I have 2 KIT days in a couple of weeks that I am looking forward to!

4) We haven't bothered with contraception since DS's birth - DS proves quite sufficient as we have only had sex twice hmm I realise I need to address this as I am really keen on another (as is DH)

Still no ERTD for me so getting frustrated as really don't want to go down the assisted route for #2. I feel so lucky it worked the first time I am down on it before we have even begun!

5) We've done a combination of puree and BLW.

I have a love/hate relationship with weaning (thankfully DS had a love relationship with it the majority of the time!) I massively miss BF and the spontaneity and portability it afforded us for the first 5 ish months. I feel like I am on a monotonous hamster wheel of making food/bottles, feeding, washing up/cleaning baby/cleaning most of kitchen, which some days gets me down a bit.

DS is a gannet which is fabulous. He loves prodding blueberries. He can delicately pick them up to eat. Which he does for the first several. Then he realises that grabbing a handful and flinging them at his face is easier <so proud>

He is more baby led these days. Loves a good sandwich, raspberries, sweet potato wedges, pancakes...well food in general! Haven't yet found anything he won't eat. I realise I am very lucky!

6) We have started swimming lessons, which he loves - bath time is he favourite part of the day!

He now has enough hair to mohawk in the bath and the give him bed head in the morning ;) We have 4 teeth which he sharpens regularly on my collar bone confused. He can also grind them which makes me physically sick!

He is a big thumb sucker which I still find incredibly cute. Loves his jumperoo, electrical cables and any toy that plays a tune to send adults insane! He thinks bubbles are amazing and you can still make him laugh with a game of peekaboo.

So....from this exercise I have learnt I really am one of those mother's who can talk for England about their child blush blush blush blush blush blush blush blush blush blush blush blush blush blush blush blush Sorry blush

vallinnapod Sun 10-Jun-12 20:40:54

As I emerge form my self-absorbed bubble I will comment on other posts wink

CC - As I eluded to, despite having stopped BF at 7.5 months, DS still ends up in with us every night. Well, I think probably one night in 10-14 he may stay in his cot. We are lucky as DS has always gone down first thing at night. I say lucky...for the first 4 months we went down brilliantly but would always wake after 45 mins and then be a complete nightmare to settle. At the moment if he wakes up before we go to bed we can tend to get him back down again. These days he gets upset as he wakes up, sits up and then can't work out how to lie down again! Some times he needs a pick up and a pace...in short, no real advice. Sorry. We did do controlled crying at about 5 months which did solve the waking up after 45 mins. I just have no resolve to do it in the middle of the night.

Love the image of you DS getting stuck under chairs! They are so aware yet so blind still!!

FVP I am so pleased you are having a more 'relaxing' time of it. I love that your DD is talking grin. Ds seems a million miles off it!

I am feeling like a reminisce. Am off to read our old thread where we gave birth grin

CuriosityCola Sun 10-Jun-12 21:25:27

Yay to mammoth posts grin

<munches chocolate cake>

I should have done a teeth update too, but ds doesn't have any yet sad All flaws are attributed to teething thoughsmile

vallinnapod Sun 10-Jun-12 22:22:51

grin CC same here! Things is DS is always drooling and shoving things in his mouth so I can never tell. When his top two came through I had had a horrible drive over to my Mum's with him crying all the way. Got there and was changing him (best angle for tooth inspection i have found wink) and realised they were nearly through. Up until then I hadn't noticed!

Another one for the list is stairgates! Grrrrrrrrrr. We have one flight of stairs and a gate at the top and bottom. DS maybe safe but DH and I may not survive! He hasn't shown any interest in climbing the stairs but the top one is essential as he loves exploring upstairs. Not done any other baby proofing blush. For ages it was really cute as DS didn't realise you could move through doorways. The change between carpet/wood/tiles flummoxed him! Not any longer though!

Just wanted to say thanks to you guys. You are as important to me (and DS) as any physical mum and baby things we do. Before this I used to laugh a little at people who forged online relationships and couldn't comprehend that they could be as fulfilling as physically meeting people but you guys rock xxxxx

CuriosityCola Mon 11-Jun-12 19:50:47

grin I was just describing the invisible rug, door way barriers to a friend yesterday. I miss thinking, 'I can nip to the loo as he is on the rug and there isn't anything he can hurt himself with'. Today ds realised that the if he holds the cupboard door handles and falls back the doors come with him. No concern for his poor head. Its all about getting in them. Emptying the kitchen drawer is a favourite too. Baby proofing stage two needs to commence.

Agreed about building relationships on-line. You guys are fab. We are getting a bit net mums on here. Soon it will be all sparkles and group hugs! smile

CuriosityCola Mon 11-Jun-12 19:51:33

Just realised that makes my kitchen sound like all the doors are hanging off their hinges blush.

vallinnapod Mon 11-Jun-12 22:26:53

We bought DS a cage (playpen). I was quite anti it but now can't see why grin I learnt I could no longer leave DS on the bed whilst I showered when I heard a massive bump blush

I miss being able to leave him anywhere for just those few moments you need to lock up the house etc.

FeijoaVodkaPlease Tue 12-Jun-12 10:48:30

Sparkles? Nah, bubbles. Lots of champagne-type bubbles. After which there probably will be hugs, but they'll be drunken MN type hugs grin You guys have been a massive support to me the last couple of years.

I can't baby proof my house enough as it's a rental. We've done what we can (stair gates, fire guard..) but DD can still get into most of the kitchen cupboards and down the side of the house to the front (which is the biggest ! for me, as she could potentially get on the road that way). At least I have figured out I can have a shower in the morning by putting her and DS in their bedroom to play for 10 minutes.

CuriosityCola Tue 12-Jun-12 19:42:54

Ah, the shower conundrum. Today ds sat in the bathroom in his high chair eating strawberries, while I showered and tried to do the hokey cokey at the same time.

Which reminds me...does anyone know what age children realise their parents can't sing and have no rhythm? I will one day miss my only music fan. grin

Eskarina Tue 12-Jun-12 22:26:09

Ooh thread! Sorry I'm do crappy at keeping up with this now. Catch up survey is a good idea...

1) age of dc - dd is just over 9 months
2) how advanced they are - crawling, babbling, pulling herself up on things. She walked a few steps with her trolley of bricks this morning, was so pleased with herself! Also does a very good line in tantrums if she doesnt get her own way. Sigh!
3) back to work? - original plan had been to return to teaching 2 days a week starting tomorrow <wibble> but got a new job which will start in sept do decided to take the whole year off. New job is half days, teaching 9-12 (so prob working 8-1). I did do a training day as a KIT day today which was really quite refreshing! Dd is going to a lovely childminder near my new school.
4) to js again or not js plans? hah! Haven't managed any kind of js, with intent or otherwise, since dd was born. DH is very patient. I have a prolapse, saw the consultant yesterday. I could have an operation to correct it but it is preferable if I wait until I have had all planed dc's first. Ideal age gap is 2-3 years anyway.
5) weaning highs and lows. - Started with purees then moved towards BLW, have been happy with the combined method. Dd is VERY strong willed though and now will only accept something in her mouth if she has put it there. Se feeds herself very well, though DH has a breakdown every time he sees the mess she gets into!
6) any other business. Sleep has got so much better. We got tough on dd at around 7 months and she's been sleeping through since just before 8 months. Tis bliss. I'm still bf once a day, the morning feed. Sadly it means that dd will not come into our bed just for a cuddle, which I miss, it always signals milk to her. Plan on keeping it going til her birthday then I'll be back at work so long snugly mornings will have to go.

And yes, will add to soppy group hug love in! You guys are fab xxxxxx

Eskarina Tue 19-Jun-12 22:26:03

Oh no! I killed it sad

FeijoaVodkaPlease Wed 20-Jun-12 15:36:41

Sorry still hung over from all the bubbles ;)

Oh I wish. DD is being a bit of a nightmare at night and I'm just tired. Other than that it is DS's last day at playgroup tomorrow and I think know I'm going to cry. He's been there for a year and a half. After the summer holidays he's at nursery for his preschool year. GULP!

CuriosityCola Wed 20-Jun-12 20:35:41

Oooh, more posts to read.

Sleep deprived mum here too. I have a real hankering for a strong cocktail and some yummy food. Reality is tea and toast. Then hopefully bed (to sleep!) by 9pm.

<kicks dusty shag cape into corner and puts on big pjs>

Eskarina Wed 20-Jun-12 22:24:51

Shag cape? Think mine has crumbled to dust grin

Big sympathies to you both on the lack of sleep. It's such a long grind when they're not sleeping through. Dd has finally got it (it took til she was 8 months though!) but often wakes between 5&5.30. We treat it like a night waking - no way we're falling into the trap of getting up earlier and earlier, but as DH has to get up at 6.30 then he often doesn't get back to sleep afterwards.

Dd got her first shoes today! Cruisers. She was soooooo incredibly pleased with herself that she was "walking" around the park (on my fingers) chasing her friend who kindly ran over and gave her kisses. So lovely!

FeijoaVodkaPlease Thu 21-Jun-12 10:26:07

Baby shoes are ADORABLE.

CuriosityCola Thu 21-Jun-12 22:36:34

We just got some new cruisers too smile. Ds walks around the furniture, but won't walk holding onto me. He either gets excited and bounces or just slumps down and then crawls off. Too independent already grin

Sorry to hear about your problems Esk. I have only heard of it once before as my auntie had to get it fixed. Does it cause you pain?

takethatlady Fri 22-Jun-12 13:30:27

Awww love the update idea.

Before I do mine, congrats on all the cruisers and the sleeping babies! And val, everyone will say it, but going back to work will be fine. The first couple of weeks of nursery are horrible (and everyone I know says the same) but after that Ted will absolutely love it and get loads out of it. Sounds like you will have a good balance, too - 3 full days with him. I am doing the same as you from September, - 3 days working in London, one day at home, with Thursdays off. Am FT so will catch up my missing day on Sunday when DH is at home (already do this anyway). If you feel you have a balance that's half the battle - I truly feel that Isobel gets the best of both worlds - lots of time with me (I do 3 days at the moment and catch up the rest on weekends/when she's in bed) and loads of fun at nursery. I'm sure it will b the same for you.

We also co-sleep. Isobel was waking anything between 3 and 10 times a night until the last month or so, so she invariably ended up in with us. Since she has been weaning from BFing and onto more food and formula (this last month) she has started sleeping (fingers crossed) and doing an 8 hour stretch, then waking at about 5am and wanting just to get up. So we bring her in with us and she sits on our heads, pokes us, slaps us, rolls dangerously close to the floor, licks my bellybutton, etc etc, until one or other of us summons up the energy to wake up and take her downstairs to watch The Hoobs. But we're still bloody grateful that she's sleeping a decent stretch now. Wahoo!

1) Isobel will be 1 on 3rd July! Can NOT believe it and though I LOVE the age she is and all the things she can do, I wonder where my tiny, snuggly little baby went and instantly want 25 more.
2) She started trying to crawl at 6 months but only got the hang of it at 8 months. Since then she's been scurrying about all over the place and is into EVERYTHING! Her keyworkers at nursery tell me she is ridiculously active for her age - barely naps, climbs the stairs, has been cruising since 9 months. This past week she has been standing on her own but I don't think she'll walk for a month or so yet - not enough confidence. She points for England - when she wants something, at any and all clocks in the vicinity, as a game, and at strangers she wants to have fun with. She does not understand when people don't respond to her with unbridled enthusiasm. She copies sounds - 'mamama' 'babababa' 'dadadada', 'lalalala', 'nananana' (and on and on) and last week I thought she was saying 'no' and 'hello' but now I'm not so sure. She has been waving at everybody from 7 months and shows no signs of stopping. She is really sociable but can sometimes be a bit shy and clingy in really large groups.
3) Went back to work at 28 weeks. Regret it, though we're already in financial meltdown and it would have been worse if I hadn't. Next time I will try for 9 months - I was still BFing and running back and forth to the nursery to feed her for the first 2 months. Plus I have a long commute. BUT, as I said above, feel I am managing a good work/life balance and get to spend loads of time with her. The bond between us is still really strong and she gets lots out of nursery. They have also really helped with weaning/sleeping. Am starting new job in London in September, and moving to Godmanchester, 5 mins from DH's work in St Ives (near Huntingdon). Am nervous about leaving her behind, but she'll be at nursery really close to DH and her home and it'll beat the 80 minute commute (each way) she currently has with me!
4) to js again or not js plans? I can't WAIT to JS again. I would love heaps of children. I can't believe how I feel being a mum, or how much I love her, or how amazing it is to walk around being so deeply in love with one little person all the time. Have to wait until December ttc, just to give myself time to settle into the new job (would like to be there a year before sodding off on leave).
5) Isobel doesn't really care about food. Did a mix of BLW and puree. She vastly prefers BLW. Tries to use a spoon herself too, now, with varying results. Until recently she hasn't eaten much and wanted just to BF all day and all night long until 10 months. Then she randomly took a bottle, and since last Thursday (sob sob) hasn't BFed at all. This has coincided with eating more food and sleeping. She always ate okay at nursery. Her faves are ham, spag bol, cheese, petit filous, clementines, and strawberries with chocolate on (I discovered this yesterday).

takethatlady Fri 22-Jun-12 13:32:39

Wow val, I beat you in the 'look-at-me-I-can-talk-about-my-baby' game!

CuriosityCola Fri 22-Jun-12 20:58:42

Award for largest post goes to ttl grin

FeijoaVodkaPlease Sat 23-Jun-12 11:06:51

I feel like I should have made my post longer now. I was being restrained! Never mind. It's so lovely to see so many happy in love with their little ones Mummys.

I want to go to the supermarket so I can buy a new icing bag for the practive run of DD's birthday cupcakes, and so I can sneakily pay for someone else to feed the DCs lunch, but DD is asleep in her cot. sad I'll just have to sit here MNing and watching Justins House while my ears bleed

FeijoaVodkaPlease Mon 25-Jun-12 18:52:09

Anyone else seen this? Sounds like Nickel is having a tough time at the moment.

Frakiosaurus Mon 25-Jun-12 19:07:56

1) 14 months
2) He walks! He talks! He also tantrums, won't sleep on his own and is obsessed with boob. I also so thankful we have always talked about milk. He wanders round saying milka milka milka mama milka.
3) I've been back at work since last September! But about to lose my job because we're moving - see 6)
4) back on the JSing thread but moving and the conspicuous absence of DH are barriers. The nanny just doesn't fulfill the same functions wink No, we haven't divorced, he's been deployed here there and everywhere
5) eating everything and has been for a while. Obsessed with sweetcorn (kaaaahn kaaaaahn, I swear he's part raven) and boob. Any hopes of gradually reducing the amount of boob so I can get ERTD back seem forlorn.
6) We are moving back to Europe! Hurray hurray callo calais! Or not quite but very near grin the packets come tomorrow so I should really get back to boxing stuff up.

Bisous all round!

vallinnapod Mon 25-Jun-12 21:49:23

Damn you TTL wink

All you cruising chicks! DS LOVES to stand. He no longer sits anywhere just wants to stand. No sign of moving and thankfully he can now lower himself (ish!) to the ground rather than relying on the padding of his nappy to break the fall! He also hits his head on everything confused

I also have massive separation anxiety blush - DS doesn't but is starting to get a bit clingy and do that shy shoulder burrowing. I am very conscious I am perpetuating it....

FeijoaVodkaPlease Tue 26-Jun-12 10:34:51

Vallinna, they start to do that around 9 months regardless of how you are feeling (the head burrowing thing, not standing). It's one of those developmental stages they like to throw at us just when we think we have them figured out grin

Hope the move goes well Frak

BTW, I have a spare ERTD you can have (well not right now, I'm just about at the crucial mid cycle stage). It came back a couple of months ago despite still ebf and I really don't want it.

CuriosityCola Tue 26-Jun-12 13:33:21

Val, I have the separation anxiety too. I just want him to be happy and he is normally happiest with me. Though it melts dh's heart when ds goes all shy and then wants to hide in his daddies arms.

Nickel, I hope you are ok. Come and give us an update when you can. There is lots of support here for you.

frak, good luck with your move. Glad you are going somewhere you are happy with.

nickelbarapasaurus Tue 26-Jun-12 17:47:26

found ya! aha!

my update?
DD is lovely, she really is.
i love being a mum.
i do not seem to love the day-to-day juggling and working at the same time.
as you might have guessed from my HV aibu yesterday.

nickelbarapasaurus Tue 26-Jun-12 17:54:02

your qs

1) age of dc
she is now 28 weeks (i think)

2) how advanced they are wink (crawling etc)
she's starting to pretend crawl, so nur! she can shuffle along - moving rather like a worm, but only by about a foot. and she's got the covetted go-go-gadget-arms! grin
she can roll from front to back, but has only done it a couple of times because she can't work out her arms.
she constantly goe "nnng nnnggg nnng" which drives me mental hmm

3) back to work, how is it/ plans to remain sahm
i might want to become a sahm

4) to js again or not js plans? grin
chance would be a fine thing. haven't managed anything more than a cuddle/kiss! (and she's sleeping with us and can't sleep without a boob in her mouth)
5) weaning highs and lows
still ebf, looks like, but we're blw, and that basically means she chews on a bit of veg before going "hang on! where's my foooooood?!"
6) any other business

Eskarina Wed 27-Jun-12 08:33:03

Nickel, I saw your other thread. Big hug. Look after yourself xxx

Frak, good luck with the move. I don't envy you moving half way across the world with a tot in tow!

Ttl love the mega-post!

Dd was 10 months yesterday and looking more like a toddler every day. Still virtually bald though so still a bit baby like. She finally worked out how to clap yesterday and has been clapping everything ever since. Not been too clingy or shy of late, although yesterday morning she had to be on me or she screamed. I'd forgotten how wearing that was....especially now she's such a chubba! I've sold most of her 9-12m clothes on as I had lots of pretty summer bits that she's not worn due to the lovely weather we've had this year that she's now grown out of. She's in a funny gap now as most 12-18m things have ridiculously long legs (she's got a really long body, but short limbs and a chubby build)

DH and I actually discussed dc2 at the weekend. <gulp> will probably start ttc after Christmas as I'm starting a new job in sept (tho with same employer) and feel I ought to do at least one school year before buggering off again!

nickelbarapasaurus Wed 27-Jun-12 14:51:30

nothing has ever fitted DD!
she's very tall, in limbs and body, but not wide, so the right width is too short and the right length hangs off her!

thanks smile
I felt a bit sad today, because a group of women with babies came to the baby musical bumps. there's very little chance that they were friends before having babies (cos they were all the same age!), so it made me feel sad that i don't know any other mums socially. and it was worse because all the babies were about the same as as DD. if they've been different, i wouldn't have noticed.

CuriosityCola Wed 27-Jun-12 17:00:13

Is baby musical bumps something that you hold at the book store or a group you have just started attending?

I feel for you because I really depend on my 'mum' friends. There are a couple that don't like being stuck in the house either and aren't too routined, so I can normally convince them to go for coffee. It has been hard moving to a new city though as they often see their real/pre baby friends too, iyswim. Whereas they are it for me blush

nickelbarapasaurus Thu 28-Jun-12 14:03:34

Musical Bumps is a lady who holds singing classes (group for toddlers and babies, rather than lessons ) in one of my upstairs rooms.

I'm in a new town, too - i've been here 10 years, but most of that I worked outside of the town, and so the only people i know are from church and WI

FeijoaVodkaPlease Thu 28-Jun-12 16:50:20

To be honest Nickel, after 3 years here, I still know hardly anyone. I've haven't worked since before we moved here and all the people I know are through DS. Because of the where we live and the timing of his playgroup I've only taken DD to the baby and toddlers group half a dozen times and there have only been other babies there twice (which is sad because when I was taking DS, there were lots), so I have no friends with DC the same age as DD. Beside which DS is moving to a different to most of his friends so that he is in his school catchment for next year. So I feel your pain. The difference is of course that I'm not tied to the house all day in the same way you are tied to the shop, so even if we aren't off doing baby/social stuff, we are at least getting a change of scenery.

CuriosityCola Thu 28-Jun-12 19:08:49

Nickel, I don't know if this is possible for you. I find the best groups are the ones where people are encouraged to let the little ones have a play afterwards while the mums help themselves to biscuits and tea/coffee. Friendship through bribery?! Probably not my best suggestion blush

FeijoaVodkaPlease Thu 28-Jun-12 22:48:47

Beside which DS is moving to a different nursery to most of his(my) friends

Don't know what the point of my post earlier was really. Not after sympathy etc, just wanting to let you know I can empathise with your situation to a degree.

nickelbarapasaurus Fri 29-Jun-12 10:52:55

it's alright feij I wasn't offering sympathy wink

CC grin but i don't have time/contacts to organise one!

Frakiosaurus Fri 29-Jun-12 11:27:17

Why not just have tea/coffe/biscuits and a baby corner as people come in/out of the classes upstairs? Then you can mention it as they come by and get the lady upstairs to plug it smile

nickelbarapasaurus Fri 29-Jun-12 13:32:38

no room down here.
it's the same size as my living room!

CuriosityCola Fri 29-Jun-12 13:47:59

Ah, I was thinking you could just keep the people locked in the room upstairs after grin

What a shame we don't all live closer

nickelbarapasaurus Fri 29-Jun-12 14:07:42


vallinnapod Fri 29-Jun-12 18:28:37

I always think how insane it would be to all meet up. I feel I know you all better than some of the random Mums I meet face to face at groups!

DS is being..... a PITA. I have been in work on Wednesday and Thursday for KIT days and I really quite enjoyed playing grown up, which is making it harder. I think DS has teeth, AGAIN. He is just not happy. That and some foul nappies (one of which he decided both hands and a foot would go in at Pizza Express today). He didn't even remotely miss me which hurts too.

FeijoaVodkaPlease Sat 30-Jun-12 09:02:10

I have to admit whenever I head over to Edinburgh for the day (which isn't as often as I'd like) I always find myself looking around at any other mums with babies thinking 'I wonder if there are any other viroids here...' I then feel silly and stalkerish <dafty>

Oh Val I bet DS missed you like crazy but was playing it cool so that you weren't concerned xx

nickelbarapasaurus Sat 30-Jun-12 10:44:39

i think DD's top teeth are very close to coming through.
her top gums are massive and she's being very grumpy.

it could just be grumpiness and not teeth. actually, that would probably mean she's got some reaction to something.

FeijoaVodkaPlease Sat 30-Jun-12 17:02:44

Am I missing something with the dinosaur names, or is it just a coinsidence?

CuriosityCola Sat 30-Jun-12 17:52:43

FVP I often think the same. I wonder if I go to any of the same classes as dynababy?

If you see a woman with her hair chucked up in a pony tail, adorned with bits of food and a toddler running circles round her...it is me!grin

Ds is also being a pita at the moment. Teething turns them into nightmares. I hope my happy boy returns to himself ASAP. My main concern at the moment is that ds is 'that' baby who grabs, pokes eyes and pulls hair of other babies. He thinks they are there to be played with, munched on and used as props to stand up. I'm constantly apologising for him blush

vallinnapod Sun 01-Jul-12 19:37:39

CC - my DS is that baby too! He also takes toys and cries when they are removed from him blush. I hope nursery will be good for him!

FVP I constantly wonder if people in my mum & baby things are Mumsnetters...I mean they must be but just who wink

nickelbarapasaurus Mon 02-Jul-12 11:28:15

Feij - i had a dinosaur name thread running a few weeks ago. I kept mine because I love it.
I assume Frak felt the same way grin

Eskarina Wed 04-Jul-12 08:45:17

val DS did miss you, of course he did! I've been in work a bit recently and dd reacts really differently but I think it's more to do with her than anything else. Last week she stayed with a mum from our baby music class who is also a childminder, so basically a stranger to dd. she had a wonderful afternoon and grinned like anything when delivered back to me. Monday she went to the childminder she will go to in sept and was a right grump and sobbed uncontrollably when I returned. (had a big wobble as to whether i should be changing childminders! But the first has no space)
Then yesterday she stayed with DH and was fine again.

Dd has a very small personal space radar. She really doesn't like others (except me!) getting too close or she has a little meltdown. Not to bad yet with taking things from others.

CuriosityCola Thu 05-Jul-12 08:48:23

esk my friends little one does that. He just needs ds to look at him and he sobs his heart out. Other times he is fine, just depends on his mood grin

Both ds and I are ill with a virus at the moment. Had to take ds to hospital as he had a raging temp and calpol wasn't touching it. Ds seems to be over the worst of it now. Any ideas how long you stay contagious for? I don't normally care about colds, but would hate one of his wee friends to get this.

How is everyone else? Apart from being fed up with the weather!

FeijoaVodkaPlease Thu 05-Jul-12 10:52:55

I have a 1 year old! I still can't quite believe it even though her birthday was on Sunday. She had a lovely time (watching her big brother play with all her new toys) cuddling her grandparents and eating cake. The weather even played nicely and we had some sunshine for the first time in a week! She has now also progressed from cruising shoes to proper walking shoes. I officially have a toddler.

Sorry to hear you and ds have been unwell CC. How scarey for you having to take him to the hospital. I know with things like D&V you're considered contagious for 2 days after the last symptom dissappears (mostly as a precautionary measure I think), by places like nursery. Not sure what it is for general 'raging temp virus' though. I guess you just have to go with what feels right to you.

CuriosityCola Thu 05-Jul-12 11:16:27

Happy birthday to mini FVP!!! grin Glad she had a lovely day and even got some sunshine.

nickelbarapasaurus Thu 05-Jul-12 12:37:08


i don't believe you!
1 year old!!! shock

CuriosityCola Fri 06-Jul-12 05:46:57

Ds has been up since 4am. Chanting my personal mantra, 'he has to sleep sometime'. Swaying between planning amazing travels (I wish) and blaming my inlaws for helping yesterday and ignoring ruining his routine.

Oh...morning! grin

nickelbarapasaurus Fri 06-Jul-12 15:39:36


DD has managed 3 nights of much sleep (waking about 2 or 3 times for food), but last night, she was awake every hour.
thankfully , sleeping inbetween, but couldn't ignore because of the scratching!
actually, she first woke at half 12, so she got nearly 2 hours before the first wake!

CuriosityCola Fri 06-Jul-12 15:53:21

Poor baby Nickel. I hope you find something to ease her skin soon.

My grumpy morning got worse with some family drama. Won't give too many details as it could out me, but i feel that at some point parents need to act their age, sort their finances out and stop burying their head in the sand. Rant over!

nickelbarapasaurus Fri 06-Jul-12 15:54:49

and sodding mothercare only guarantee scratchmitts in babygrows up to size 3-6 months.
dd is now growing out of those, and i have two sized 6-9 months with mitts - hungry caterpillar (which is a work one!) and the superbaby one (which is mothercare but under licence)

nickelbarapasaurus Fri 06-Jul-12 15:55:25

i didn't deliberately not comment then, sorry blush

bloody families.

CuriosityCola Sat 07-Jul-12 12:56:39

It's ok, I just needed to vent grin

Is it worth trying to sew some scratch mitts onto suits only worn at night? <admits this is outwith my domestic capabilities>

nickelbarapasaurus Sat 07-Jul-12 13:08:55


I am trying to get some - might try Asda to see if their older age have mits in.

if not, it'll be sewing on turnover cuffs (i won't sew on proper mitts, because it's too complicated and we've given most of the scratch mitts away because they're far too small for ol' bighands )

CuriosityCola Sat 07-Jul-12 14:33:15

My poor ds would have mitts held on by stickytape-- wonder web grin

nickelbarapasaurus Sat 07-Jul-12 14:41:37

my lucky lucky DD (in the home-sewn front, not the having me as a mum front...) will have lots of things sewn for her - she's already had a dragon costume and an Independent Booksellers' Week teeshirt made for her (they sent a ginormous one that I could have worn with my DH inside it, too, so I chopped it down and made a small one for DD!)

CuriosityCola Sat 07-Jul-12 16:20:59

She is very lucky to have you as a mum. We are all trying our best at a very tough job.

Love the thought of your dd in a dragon costume grin

nickelbarapasaurus Sat 07-Jul-12 16:24:16

it was cute.
for st george's day.

CuriosityCola Sat 07-Jul-12 21:13:21

Cutest picture ...ever!grin

FeijoaVodkaPlease Mon 09-Jul-12 22:14:32

She most definately is 1 Nickel! and so is TTBaby. So who's next on the birthday list?

I second CC, that is one damned cute pic! How do you find the time to sew with a baby in the house? I finally bought a desk for sewing and my machine is still down stairs undercover.

CuriosityCola Mon 09-Jul-12 22:31:30

Ds has his birthday at the end of August. Esk's little one has hers just a few days before?

Think I'm going to have a really small family meal or BBQ (if summer makes an appearance) for ds. Trying to decide what to buy him. Was thinking a family pass for the zoo, but would be probably suited better as a second birthday prezzie. Guess I he will have to wait wink Very excited as dh's family have a cute tradition of having a hedgehog birthday cake, so mil is going to make him one grin

Just realised that ds is nearly one and still has no teeth. Did I post that he finally got one (again) and it has disappeared (again!)

CuriosityCola Mon 09-Jul-12 22:34:02

P.s. ds has had terrible sleep in the past few days. I have came to bed early, but instead of sleeping I'm fretting about how tired I will be tomorrow if I don't hurry up and get to sleep hmm

Hope everyone else is getting enough shut eye.

Eskarina Tue 10-Jul-12 06:56:23

Ooh happy birthday mini-fvp and mini-ttl.
I think your DS and my dd are the same day cc, and val's DS is a few days later. We're not doing anything major for her, my parents are visiting so we'll probably go out for the day, there are a few lovely animal parks around here that I'm sure dd will enjoy.
For a present I was thinking a sand pit, a push along/ride on toy of some description, probably reins grin. I'm sure I'll get carried away when the time comes and DH will despair as to where we'll put it all, and I'll suggest we move house grin

I hardly dare say it but we've had a couple of months of good sleep now, ie 7.30-6 solid sleep. Daytimes are a bit more hit and miss but I'll accept that for a good night's sleep! Hope your DS sorts his out soon cc.

Am in awe of nickel having time to sew whilst working ft and looking after dd. I love knitting and sewing but don't seem to get time for either!

nickelbarapasaurus Tue 10-Jul-12 11:30:23

fedj - my sewing was done upstairs at the shop after hours.
provided she's got entertainment i can sew while she's there grin it takes longer, though, because there are constant breaks to talk to her

nickelbarapasaurus Tue 10-Jul-12 11:31:04

CC - confused re teeth shock

CuriosityCola Tue 10-Jul-12 15:32:21

The tooth breaks through and then the gum is sore and swells, hiding the tooth again. sad

CuriosityCola Wed 11-Jul-12 13:34:51

Sitting enjoying a homemade scone, while ds snoozes in his pushchair...bliss! I don't get enough of these peaceful moments.

nickelbarapasaurus Wed 11-Jul-12 13:41:52

how strange!
I've just this second finished a homemade (by DH) cheese muffin! grin

I did expect it to be like a scone, but it was more like an American Muffin but cheesey instead of cakey.
absolutely gorgeous.
yummy yummy grin

DD is with her godmother at lunch.
I want a cup of tea with an adult.

nickelbarapasaurus Wed 11-Jul-12 13:42:10

(i'm supposed to be working, but the spreadsheet was taking too long to load...)

CuriosityCola Wed 11-Jul-12 14:38:03

That sounds very grown up. Our dc seem to have better social lives than us!

nickelbarapasaurus Wed 11-Jul-12 14:41:48

yeah, she gets put in her pram and goes to sleep grin

nickelbarapasaurus Wed 11-Jul-12 14:42:04

(the sleep bit, i envy...)

nickelbarapasaurus Wed 11-Jul-12 14:43:48

she's poorly at the moment, anyway.
she woke up this morning with snotty feeding, and did 2 massive sneezes with snot attached. [eww]
she looks like she's spent weeks awake (dark circles) but she slept really well last night.
she's being fussy and clingy, but not annoyingly so. she's just full of cold.

CuriosityCola Wed 11-Jul-12 15:42:46

It's such a shame when they have a cold. Ds is just getting over one and I keep finding snot on my shoulder...disgusting!

nickelbarapasaurus Wed 11-Jul-12 15:45:50


she's been hard to entertain today.
not that i've made enough effort- she wants to snuggle, but if i try to, she grabs my hair, and it hurts, so I'm reluctant. if i think that means she wants to eat, she doesn't, she sucks and then pulls off. done. don't know what to do.
I've been trying distraction techniques. wink

vallinnapod Wed 11-Jul-12 19:19:17

Awh Nickel she's GAWGEOUS!

We are on our last day of hols here - in Mallorca. Been awesome as we took my Mum - haven't really seen DS for 10 days grin Miss him even though he is here blush He has learnt to pretty much stand with minimal support and sprouted two more teeth - 8 now (sorry CC!)

OMG CC - is the Hedgehog birthday cake a Jane Asher one? The spikes chocolate buttons?? That is our family tradition too. You haven't reproduced with one of my brothers have you hmm wink. I am making DS one!

As for DS's first birthday (31 Aug) we are having a big bash but are fully aware it is more for us than him! It's a Friday so I was going to have Mama and baby friends over mid-arvo and then my 'adult' friends over for a party in the evening. It's sort of house warming (although been there 9 months) too, and a kick to finally sort our garden out. Again, relying on nice weather for a BBQ confused

We are going to get him one of these with the hope it has a bit of longevity!

CuriosityCola Wed 11-Jul-12 20:21:22

Not sure if it's a Jane Asher one. It does have chocolate button spikes and a cherry nose grin

CuriosityCola Wed 11-Jul-12 20:23:44

Sorry Nickel, no advice on the hair pulling front. Ds Is terrible for it.

nickelbarapasaurus Thu 12-Jul-12 11:12:35

she's got a full-blown cold.
she's had two feeds already since we got to work (normally would have just started her first)
she's been crying and snotting and sneezing.

She hardly slept all night, because she can't feed because she can't breathe.
i had to get up with her at 2ish to give her calpol and smother her in baby vicks.

CuriosityCola Thu 12-Jul-12 13:57:28

Do you have a calpol plug? It has an annoying blue light on it, but works wonders for clearing their noses at night.

nickelbarapasaurus Thu 12-Jul-12 16:10:15

no, but she's in with us, so i don't think it'd work.
the baby vicks works okay.

she's rather cheerful - snotty but cheerful. grin

CuriosityCola Thu 12-Jul-12 19:24:12

I just plug it in for half an hour before we go to bed, it gets a little bit strong when you don't have a cold. Still co-sleeping here too. I'm sure there is a brand that is better, but I can't think of the name for it.

Hope she feels better soon.

CuriosityCola Fri 13-Jul-12 07:10:34

Ds has been up most of the night for the second night running. sad I think his teeth (gums!) are bothering him as he is trying to sleep and flinging himself about the place. Very dramatic. I don't really like giving too much calpol, as it could be like this for another day/week/month. Anyone got any advice?

Also, had him weighed this week and he has dropped slightly (due to teeth and being poorly) I think. He was 35th percentile and is now 25th. I asked for his length to be done out of interest and he is on the 98th percentile! Debating whether I should be trying to up his calories? Not sure how to do that without them being bad calories e.g. Puddings.

Thank goodness for my carrier. Dh has just got him back to sleep, so going to try and grab 40 winks. How is everyone else this fine morning?
(sorry for miserable postblush)

nickelbarapasaurus Fri 13-Jul-12 10:50:17


i think if he's teething, then he needs more comfort food - milk is the best and then normal food as normal iyswim.
upping his calories can just mean giving more fat and protein.
what's your typical diet (and how old is he again? is he the 1-yo?))

FeijoaVodkaPlease Fri 13-Jul-12 11:20:23

Nelsons Teething sachets are good CC. It sounds like he's just had a growth spurt. Feed him as normal (teething allowing) and he should catch up in a week or two. Be warned though, when he's feeling better he may turn into a ravenous beast for a couple of days!

CuriosityCola Fri 13-Jul-12 19:36:04

He is ten 1/2 months. Poor wee lamb. He just isn't himself. His preferred food at the moment is broccoli?! Ate his own and mine tonight. Not many extra calories in that though grin

vallinnapod Fri 13-Jul-12 20:24:43

I second teething powder (I use the Boots own brand). Also does your DS like strawberries? I froze them and gave them to mine which he thought was awesome!

DS has been pretty good with teething but these current two are really bothering him. For the first time we have horribly nappies (think a used tissue after a cold sad). He is off his food but thankfully still sleeping. Has been like this for over 10 days now poor poppet!

CuriosityCola Fri 13-Jul-12 20:24:56

Nickel, he eats quite a varied diet..mostly blw. If it's something I would use a spoon for (yoghurt) then he is spoon fed. I'm not sure I do enough puddings. The hv was talking about putting cream in his mash and giving him custard etc. I normally just give him fruit if he is still munchy.

While I remember. <judgey pants alert> I seen a photo on Facebook today. One of my cousin's, daughter's, daughter. Slightly younger than my ds. She was in a forward facing (ill-fitting) car seat, with her ears pearced and her face covered in chocolate. shock Everyone was commenting on how cute she was. I took one look and thought Aibu would have a field day with this! grin

CuriosityCola Fri 13-Jul-12 20:26:18

Please excuse grammar on family explanation. I could see something was wrong, but too tired to work out what and fix it blush

vallinnapod Fri 13-Jul-12 21:26:26

PMSL CC - I get tres judgy! Especially as I want DS in a rear facing seat when he out grows his bubba one.

On that front - he is still in his Maxi Cosi Pebble. Way under the 13kg weight guidance (and will be beyond 12/13 months - he was just under 9kg at 9 months) Can he stay in it until 13kgs? He is a looooooong bebe! His legs have hung over the end since about 5 months! His head is still below the top though. Any advice?

nickelbarapasaurus Sat 14-Jul-12 13:17:30

at 10½ months, he should still be having milk as his main source of nutrition anyway.
I think you'd be better to up milk feeds if he's not gaining weight.

maybe you could give him cheese if he's still munchy?
or more of the food he's just been eating? second helpings.

nickelbarapasaurus Sat 14-Jul-12 13:20:04

as long as the straps still fit properly, then yes, that should be fine.

I was judging in mothercare that all of their next stage car seats are forward-facing.

FeijoaVodkaPlease Sat 14-Jul-12 16:19:06

FFS HVs and their advice. Babies do NOT need pudding. Feeding them pudding after every meal just teaches them bad habits.

Also around the 9 months mark babies start to make the transition from milk as their main source of nutrition to food being the main source. Not that you'd know it by looking at DD! (it does take a while for some babies. Or not if you're my DS)

I just came on the computer to print a recipe out (Grilled Salmon with butterbean mash, yum), and DD has passed out in my arms, so I have to stay here. Darn! grin

FeijoaVodkaPlease Sat 14-Jul-12 16:23:26

We have a stage 0&1 carseat which is rear facing til 13kg. It's a bit better than a capsule as the head rest and straps are adjustable. A right faff, but I feel better having her rf for as long as possible.

I do know there is a Scandinavian car seat that is rf til a lot older.

CuriosityCola Sat 14-Jul-12 18:06:57

Thanks for the advice. Considering I'm so gobby assertive most of the time, I always come away from the health visitor doubting myself.

I'm currently trying to plant the seed for another rear facing car seat. Ds hates being in the car, but safety first as far as I'm concerned. Not usually so manipulative, but I would like it to be dh's idea. His parents already think I'm a lentil weaving loon grin

As long as there is an inch above their head (and below max weight) they are fine in first car seat. Leg length doesn't matter. P.s. If you go on the mumsnet product section, avoid any crash test videos. Ds may be rear facing until he is 18 wink

CuriosityCola Sat 14-Jul-12 18:09:05

P.s. FVP, can you come tell my mil that. He was offered a bit of chocolate sponge today. Wasn't interested as he had just had loads of soup and bread. Shook his head. She still pushed it into his mouth. Despite being on board with blw, she can't help herself. <rolls eyes emoticon>

CuriosityCola Sat 14-Jul-12 21:53:01

Would everyone mind sharing their routines/typical days with me? I keep trying to follow ds's lead, but we can have a couple of good day/nights and then it's all crazy again. Tonight he has used his bedtime as a nap and is still being life and soul for dh. Not grumpy, just wanting to play. <I'm hiding in the bedroom as I have tonsillitis sad. I curse him a lot, but my dh is amazing>

vallinnapod Sun 15-Jul-12 18:23:43

I give DS 2 'courses'. Annoyingly he often says he is 'full' of savoury stuff but then gobbles down a yoghurt or fruit pot. He would also eat blueberries and raspberries until he exploded if I let him.

Routine-wise DS is now consistent-ish. I tried desperately to impose a routine on him which failed. The below has only evolved over the past, errr, 10.5 months wink (BTW - the timings are obviously not exact or the same every day!)

7 - wake, 210ml milk
7:30 - Mama goes on cross trainer for 30 mins/DS goes in jumperoo!
8:15 - Breakfast
9:30 - nap in bed- this is a good one normally, 1-2 hours
12:15 - Lunch
15:00 - 180ml milk
17:15 - Tea
19:00 - Bath/180ml milk/teeth clean/bed (normally takes 30 mins ish)

At some point in the afternoon he may have 45 min-ish nap, nearly always in his pushchair when we are out as I tend to be 'trapped' in my the morning nap.

The bits in between everything we are either running errands (so in pushchair), lunch out, play in the play pen or on the floor with me, swimming, monkey music, rhyme time and now the swings at the park!

Not sure when to drop the afternoon milk. He is not fussed by it but then he has never taken to having a snack (which I was told to give him when I dropped the morning milk feed.

nickelbarapasaurus Tue 17-Jul-12 10:28:09
nickelbarapasaurus Tue 17-Jul-12 11:00:48

routine, CC ? shock

5am DH gets up for work.
DD starts scratching and writhing and wanting food
5:50am DH leaves the house
DD is still scratching and writhing and wanting food.
continues like this (swapping over and going in and out of sleep) until about 7 ish when I give up and put the telly on.
DD continues to eat on and off until the alarm goes off.
I fall asleep (the alarm goes off in 9 min intervals from 8am until 8:45)
8:45 I struggle to get out of bed.
from 8:45 to 9:35, I get washed, dress DD, get ready for work.
In this time, DD writhes and scratches and whinges a lot (and cries when I dress her)
9:40-9:45 we leave the house.
On the way to work, we see lots of people and end up chatting, so get to the shop at about 10:10.
Open shop.
If I'm (very) lucky, DD will sleep after pram ride for about ½ hour to 1 hour.
then she'll be hungry, so she'll scratch and cry a bit. (as she wakes)
Today, DD has not slept, so she's crawling around on her mat, trying to eat important bits of paper. <sigh>
and a bit of a play with me maybe
11:00ish DD has a milk feed.
11:40ish Fake sleep for about 3 seconds then crying and rubbing and scratching. (soothing from me and trying to rub more cream on which just results in cream being all over my clothes)
12ish nappy change
play time for DD
1sh more milk
trying to get actual work done
3ish more milk.
normally DH comes in from work between ½2 and 3 o'clock, so I feed DD while he makes sandwiches. DD eats a bit of bread and a few bits of veg (i mean "eats", not eats)
and then i hand DD over.
and then DH does nappy change and i try to work (esp away from the till).
4ish cup of tea
4:30 ish DH tries to escape to practise the organ.
if he manages, i play with DD and take her around the shop with me to work.
5:30ish close shop.
6ish get home (collect DH on the way)
feed DD milk
DH makes dinner.
7- 7:30 we sit down to eat (dd now has a little chair for food at home)
2 more nappy changes in the evening including a change of clothes because they're covered in spit and blood.
we try to get DD to sleep at about 8o'clock (usually by a mixture of milk, cuddles and walking around the house - staying absolutely still and silent in darkness doesn't work because she scratches)
we go to bed at 10-10:30.
DD still wide awake at this point, so she scratches and cries until i'm changed then she pounces on my boob like she hasn't eaten all day hmm
DD feeds/sleeps through the night.

last night she didn't wake till 4:30, but then she didn't sleep till gone midnight.
i know, because i was the only one still awake.
on Fridays, we try to squeeze in This Week Eleanor Loves....

PS - I haven't missed out the naps. there very rarely are naps.

CuriosityCola Tue 17-Jul-12 12:21:10

Thank you both. That is actually really helpful. I know I shouldn't laugh, but the 'fake sleep' is well known in my house grin.

Nickel does your dd go back to sleep between 7-9am with you?

Val the problem we are having is ds can't go that long between naps. He gets all grumpy after about two hours. Sometimes after an hour in the morning.

Will share my routine soon. Have acute tonsillitis and I'm not a good patient. sad

nickelbarapasaurus Tue 17-Jul-12 12:40:35

she sort of goes back to sleep - we both kind of doze in and out.

CuriosityCola Tue 17-Jul-12 13:14:35

Your routine looks very like ours used too. We would be trying everything to get ds to sleep and he would be having none of it until I went to bed. Then he would need a big sleep in the morning to make up for it. I eventually starting going to bed earlier and early and then sneaking back up without him. Was very hit and miss though depending on if he wanted to cluster feed and if the 'pantley pull off' worked. I have silently commando crawled out of the room too many times to count grin Btw, this isn't advice, more observation as ds was up again until 10pm last night too.

Val I'm very impressed by your cross trainer effort!

nickelbarapasaurus Tue 17-Jul-12 13:20:07


we, as a family, went to bed at 9:15 on sunday night.
dd didn't sleep until after 11.

she's asleep now.
she's had 3 feeds (since 10:50 with playtime in between), and has fallen asleep on this one.
she's been asleep about 20 minutes shock

CuriosityCola Tue 17-Jul-12 13:48:32

Ah, I love an unexpected nap. Quick have a cuppasmile

nickelbarapasaurus Tue 17-Jul-12 13:58:24

it's been an hour. grin

can't move, she's on me .
i have made the mistake of moving her in the past. i'm not falling for that again!

DH is here, so is packing up my school order (i need 6 of that - <DH counts very slowly each book 1 2 3 4 5 6 > hmmgrin)

CuriosityCola Tue 17-Jul-12 14:25:03


FeijoaVodkaPlease Sat 21-Jul-12 20:45:09

Fecking jabs/teeth/dodgey tummy. Poor DD is pooing like a little poo machine. I think it's a combination of post jab reaction and teething, but then it could just be standard tummy upset. Thank goodness for calpol and boob milk on tap boob!

Eskarina Sat 21-Jul-12 21:39:57

Aw sorry to hear of unsettled babies. Poor little things.

We've just come back from a weeks holiday in a cottage in,the countryside. It was lovely but quite a learning curve with discovering which parts of dd's routine are negotiable and which are definitely not! Plus it seems that she doesn't nap in the buggy any more, at least not reliably, so fitting in the requisite numbers of sleeps in a day was tricky.

Someone asked about routine. We have fallen into one, have been since 6/7 months, though it shifts about a bit. I like it, I must admit. I was prepared to follow dd's lead etc but actually we are both so much happier when we stick to a schedule. I'm a firm believer in going with things so long as they are working for us both (and DH too of course!) but I have had to revise certain ideas of mine because they don't suit dd and similarly I have had to alter things because they were no good for me! I don't think there's anything wrong with making your routine/habits/whatever work for you both!

So usually it is
Dd wakes 6-6.30ish and plays in cot. We get her up if she starts sounding distressed.
6.30 milk - still bf that one so don't know how much
7.00 get up (probably!)
7.30 breakfast. Dd can easily put away 2 weetabix or an adult sized portion of readybrek!
9ish nap. Might have up to 2 hours, usually nearer 60-90 mins
10.30 or whenever wakes - water &banana (she loved them!)
12ish lunch
1ish - nap. Prob the most flexible element of routine. Always has one but depends on how long morning nap was as to what time and how long.
3.30 milk. Always make 7oz but she usually drinks more like 5
5.30 dinner
6.30 DH comes home. Bath soon after
7:15 milk again make 7oz but sometimes drinks as little as 3; stories then bed. Self settles after a couple of minutes of shouting. We've learned not to cuddle her then or try to calm her, she just needs to say her piece about not wanting to go to bed then she settles down and sleeps.

I'm going to commit heresy and say that we have moved dd into a forward facing car seat. She was really cramped in her maxi cosi, having a long body, so there was probably less than an inch above her head. She also weighs 10.5 kilos so plenty past the 9kg minimum. Mostly though she was frustrated with being rear facing. We did a lot of driving this holiday and she was so much happier as I could talk to her as we drove along (DH driving obv). I know rf is safer in a crash, but with the fuss she made I think we have significantly reduced the chances of us causing a crash by turning her round!

And can I say I am overawed that val does 45 min in a cross trainer each day. Well done you!!!

Sorry for the mammoth post!

FeijoaVodkaPlease Sat 21-Jul-12 22:50:42

PS, I won't bother posting our routine (or lack there of) as it revolves more around DS than DD. And as we are mid school holidays, there is even less routine than usual! The only real constants are DD napping sometime late morning/midday ish, with lunch either right before or after. Then dinner around 5 (for DC, DH and I eat later) bath, stories and bed. DD still feeds to sleep.

I should go to bed as that calpol is going to wear off soon and DD will be wanting to get into bed with me, so that she can spend the night complaining she's hot, hasn't got enough space, the boob she's by is empty.... Oh I do love her grin

nickelbarapasaurus Tue 24-Jul-12 11:21:54

DD has got 4 more teeth.
3 are properly through, and the third makes her gaptoothed because it's just hovering on the gum.

and this is when she really, really becomes my mum!
she's pushing out her bottom jaw so that she can grind her middle top tooth (and jutting the jaw sideways)

nickelbarapasaurus Tue 24-Jul-12 11:24:00

@*&^ing naps hmm

NO NAPS sad sad sad sad

just thought I'd get one - it lasted 15 seconds!

CuriosityCola Tue 24-Jul-12 14:04:01

Our routine:
Awake 6am
6.30am breakfast followed by milk
8am morning nap - anything between 30 mins - 9mins depending on previous night.
11.30am lunch
1pm (earlier if short morning nap) nap 30mins- 60 mins
2pm milk and a snack
4pm dinner
5pm bath, bottle and stories
6pm asleep on our bed
6.30pm awake! Try and feed back to sleep. On a good night stays asleep until half nine, when I go to bed. Bad night I need to feed back to sleep every 30 mins.
During the night: co-sleeping so feeding on and off constantly. Feeds during naps too. Ds is a boob monster sad

Two key areas of help needed. How do I go about night weaning? Is he too young at 11 months?

How can I get him to sleep for longer than 30 minutes during the day without laying with him and feeding him back to sleep or walking around with him in the carrier?

I want to completely stop breastfeeding at one year old. So I'm going to be starting to phase out boob feeds.

CuriosityCola Tue 24-Jul-12 14:06:19

Nickel, how old is dd now? Is it because of her sore skin? Do you have a carrier?

Ds is only napping for me because I put him in the ergo at the first sign of tiredness and dance about like an idiot until he drops off. Previously had to walk him in pushchair, but weather is getting in the way of that.

nickelbarapasaurus Tue 24-Jul-12 14:19:58

she's 7 months and 12 days.

not because of her sore skin, she just doesn't do naps. I try my hardest, but she fights it every step of the way.

I have had a few days where we've managed to get her off and she's slept for an hour or 2, but then the same method the next day doesn't work.
I can't do a carrier because I can't be arsed with the faff of it (putting it on) - plus, when I hold her, I have to feed her to sleep, or she won't go. If I hold her on my shoulder, say, she'll rub her chin (where it's sore) until it bleeds and she cries.
The only ways she'll go to sleep is feeding or in the pram/car.
Today I've pushed her up and down the shop for ½ an hour (at least) and she wasn't having it (even though she had fallen asleep in the feed and then woken up as soon as I'd put my boob away hmm)

Why do you want to stop Bfing at 1year? is it because you're going back to work?
because if it is, you can still feed in the evening and morning, and either give expressed milk or other drinks/food during the day when you're not there.
(obviously, it's your choice, but I thought I'd stick my oar in show you options if it wasn't by "choice")

nickelbarapasaurus Tue 24-Jul-12 14:22:58

just realised she's asleep.
today's method - I walked her pram up and down for ages, (at some point putting socks on her hands to stop her rubbing at her wrists), got pissed off with the effort, so put her (in the pram) (wide awake but staring into the distance) in the shop and left her.
she's asleep. that means she got herself to sleep. shock

Eskarina Wed 25-Jul-12 14:41:49

Cc it's completely fine to want to stop bf at a year. You have done so well to keep going this long. I'll be stopping at a year too. Well, if we get there. I've been resoundingly rejected the last couple of mornings, so I think dd might be weaning herself off anyway. I replaced a couple of feeds with formula when I was ready to - the bedtime feed fairly early on, as I wasnt getting on with expressing, and the afternoon one when she got teeth top and bottom and was so distracted that she was constantly bobbing on and off and biting hard.

So you could just replace one feed at a time with formula (or at this stage, probably cows milk) over the space of the next month.

Not sure what to suggest about the napping and night weaning though. We just got fed up of getting up every hour or so, so decided that dd could feed max every 2 hours, we moved her to her own room (just after 6 months) and I would feed after 2 hours, inbetween DH went to her and just persisted with walking her up and down until she either settled or the 2 hour mark came up then I fed her. But she wasn't hungry, that was the thing, she just wanted boob for a minute or two then fell asleep. It worked though. It didn't take more than a week of that then she was only waking once (well, after a dream feed) at around 3am, then at 7 months we phased out the dream feed and the 3 am feed and by 8 months she was sleeping through reliably.
You have to be willing to put up with a fair amount of crying though, even though it was generally in our arms, we have just left her to cry for a few mins at a time too. That's not going to work if you want to carry on co sleeping though.
Naps - hate to say it but dd got a whole lot better at naps once I enforced naps in cot. We've just moved to having one long nap late morning and she has 90 mins or so then. I'd like her to have more, but if she goes back down in the afternoon she's a nightmare at bedtime.

I did find that the day and night sleep sorted themselves out hand in hand - once she was getting a sensible amount of sleep at night then she could nap properly in the day, then we reined in the afternoon nap and she slept through the night.

BUT that all sounds very preachy and smug, and I don't intend it too at all. It was hard hard work, and we often wondered of we were doing the right thing. I think dd slept through/napped more when she was ready to, and we just did what we could to get us and her through to that point. We would have liked her to sleep through earlier of course, but I don't think getting tough earlier would have helped, just made her more upset.

Good luck xxx

FeijoaVodkaPlease Wed 25-Jul-12 15:57:57

Night weaning I may well be following this advice soon too, as I'm so tired of being tired.

nickelbarapasaurus Wed 25-Jul-12 16:41:29

DD has dropped off to sleep.
it's the second time this week that she's gone off in her pram (well, reclined buggy now!) after a few pushes up and down the shop. was it yesterday she did it before? oh, yes, just checked my post.
yep, she's just done it again.
But this time I had to pull her hands away from her neck (covered again), and wheel her up and down a couple more times.

vallinnapod Fri 27-Jul-12 15:19:18

Just been reading back....

FVP - DS is getting his first molars (can can only assume as he has the 8 front ones) and dear lord above have the nappies been foul. Yesterday he managed to shit all over the car seat (god knows what material Maxi Cosi use but it really does repel everything grin) and today he shat all over the pushchair (faired less well....smells funky still despite copious amounts of anti-bac spray....poor bubba.

Esk - what car seat have you gone for? Had a browse in JL today. The MC Pearl looks tiny and no way would DS be in there until 4 (even the lady said 3 would probably be a push!) She was recommending the Tobi or Axiss.

Nickel DS had a good line in teeth grinding...my god, I used to want to drop him is was so hideous. Thankfully he has stopped now but it lasted a couple of months hmm

CC - I can't help I am afraid. DS and I sort of self-weaned...in that around 7 months I stopped offering, he stopped asking! Only because the nights were so terrible for us. He was very good and took to a bottle really easily. We stopped co-sleeping during this time (he would wake 2 or 3 times and DS would have to settle him) after a week or so we went back to co-sleeping when he woke and he didn't once try and nuzzle. Finally evicted him a couple of months ago! As Esk said, it sounds very easy but we had our fair share of tears (on everyones part!) and wondering if we were doing the right thing (as far as napping went - if DS hadn't given up BF I wouldn't have pushed it.)

nickelbarapasaurus Fri 27-Jul-12 15:56:11

you were lucky, then! (with the stop offering thing)
i tried that with DD because i was actually quite busy and the way she howled you'd've thought that i was garotting bunnies in front of her. hmm

you do not deny DD real food. grin

vallinnapod Fri 27-Jul-12 15:58:30

LOL!!! DS is like his daddy, he is just not fussed by food or milk. He will have either if it is put in front of him but he has never got upset if I have been out shopping and been late with lunch or tea. Clearly none of my genes there....!

FeijoaVodkaPlease Fri 27-Jul-12 22:12:17

Val tonight I had a rummage in DDs mouth while she was cleaning her teeth and she is cutting BOTH bottom molars. ARGH. She's had the runs all week in reaction to the MMR (I never knew diarreah was a measles symptom! I do now) and now this. Thank goodness there is an amber teething necklace in the post already.

DD knows the sign for milk and isn't afraid to use it. Yep there is no way I could casually stop offering boob! She's nearly 13 months and I just don't know how much longer I want to continue.

Nickel Have you ever seen the bunny suicide books? Your post put me in mind of them for some reason...

nickelbarapasaurus Sat 28-Jul-12 11:00:48

2 years by who recommendations.

i watched supernanny the other night, and where normally i laud and praise her for everything, she did have a hmm and angry moment from me when she's persuading heavily this mum of an 8-month-old to stop breastfeeding.
now, the 18-month-old couldn't get to sleep without a feed, which isn't a bad thing at 18 months! but it did include naps.
an 18-month-old should still be BFing and it was wrong of supernanny to interfere with that - she should have been up-to-date with WHO guidelines and suggested to the parents a different bedtime routine, maybe, so that the child has her evening milk and then goes to her own bed, rather than forcing the mum not to feed the child anymore!

those bunny suicides are hilarious grin

Eskarina Sat 28-Jul-12 19:43:45

Val - we've got the britax eclipse. I looked around at all sorts, including group 1-2-3 hybrids but having used it for a few weeks including a longer journey I'm glad we went for a simple group 1 seat, purely due to the recline. Dd slept on the longer journey and I was really glad she could lay back then as if sitting upright her head did loll about a bit. Don't be fooled by some hybrids that claim to recline - usually you have to completely remove them from the car in order to do so, whereas dd's can be done with one hand whilst driving

Cc/fvp have you tried asking on the sleep or weaning boards for any help on stopping bf? I've heard of don't offer, don't refuse as a technique (which I suppose I did really - just breaking the habit of responding to a prolonged cry with boob when actually cuddles might suffice) but I guess if mini-fvp can sign milk you might not get so far with that. Is there a pattern to the feeds that you are prepared to do? Maybe you could stick to those and phase the non-core feeds out? Then switch to formula/cows milk for the core feeds gradually? And respond to other crying with cuddles rather than milk?
You've done really well to feed for this long.

CuriosityCola Mon 30-Jul-12 21:24:14

Ok, quick update.

Have started the don't offer, don't refuse thing and it's working surprisingly well. Also started trying to put ds in his cot again. If he wakes and cries I pick him back up. Managed to put him back down three times last night, before co-sleeping the second part of the night (dh pulled him in with us and I never even noticedblush).

Tonight he went down after being rocked to sleep. He woke after 30 minutes due to a poonamiangry, managed to still rock him back to sleep and then pat his back when in cot. grin

This is not my child! Going to continue the rocking and patting and see how we get on. He hates his cot usually so any crying (or fussing as the books seem to call it) and he is picked up. Think this is reassuring him.

Decided to stop breast feeding at a year as its not working for us as a family any more. It sounds awful but I just don't enjoy it. I need my body back and he is such a terrible feeder I don't want to show my boobs to everyone in Edinburgh any more. One year is the earliest I can rationalise that I'm not a terrible mother for stopping. I don't think others are wrong for stopping before then, it's just I have continued through guilt of not having a good reason to stop. Dh and I discussed it and I think I have maybe been verging on Pnd. I was just so worried about failing him.

Very self centred post, sorry! blush

CuriosityCola Mon 30-Jul-12 21:25:20

Not a very quick update either!

nickelbarapasaurus Tue 31-Jul-12 11:57:46

babies who don't like to sleep are a bit of a nightmare, aren't they!

I hope you didn't think I was being judgey when I asked about why you were stopping - you have done amazingly well to get to a year, so you should be proud of it smile
(it was more checking that it was you who wanted to stop, not society in general wink)

the last 15-16 hours of my life have been:
rub rub rub rub
scratch scratch scratch rub rub rub rub
scratch scratch scratch rub rub rub rub
scratch scratch scratch
wail wail wail wail wail
eat eat eat eat eat eat eat
bite a bit
rub rub rub rub
scratch scratch scratch
rub rub rub rub
scratch scratch scratch
rub rub rub rub
wail wail wail wail wail
eat eat eat eat eat eat eat
bite a bit
scratch scratch scratch
moan whinge moan whinge moan
rub rub rub rub
scratch scratch scratch
wail wail wail wail wail
eat eat eat eat eat eat eat
bite a bit
rub rub rub rub
scratch scratch scratch
rub rub rub rub
scratch scratch scratch
rub rub rub rub
scratch scratch scratch
rub rub rub rub
wail wail wail wail wail
eat eat eat eat eat eat eat
bite a bit
scratch scratch scratch
rub rub rub rub
scratch scratch scratch

nickelbarapasaurus Tue 31-Jul-12 11:58:38

please note, that the rub rub rub might have happened while sleeping, or while not sleeping. or while pretending sleep is not required.
or resisting sleep.
or fake sleeping
or feeding.


FeijoaVodkaPlease Tue 31-Jul-12 19:55:38

Well done getting DS to settle at night CC. Sometimes we just have to bite the bullet and get through the hard stuff. Also you have done amazingly well bfing to a year. If it helps when I stopped bfing DS at 8 months I felt it improved my relationship with him immensely. I had always had a hard time with feeding him immensely and removing that stress relaxed both of us. DD is a dream to bf however which is the only reason I'm still going.

I've been doing the don't offer thing for a while. She only feeds morning evening and night too. Sometimes miss greedy will ask before dinner and I'll explain she'll be eating soon and she can have her milky drink at bed time. I was wobbling last week because feeding had become painful. It turns out I have a yeast infection. Annoyingly just as the meds for that have kicked in I woke up this morning with another blocked duct. (grr)
However after a couple of bad nights (2am poo anyone?) she slept through again last night. I have been making much more of an effort to stay awake and put her back in her cot once she has feed. I think she is realising how much more comfortable she is in there smile

CuriosityCola Tue 31-Jul-12 21:19:04

Don't think you are being judgey at all Nickel. It's more that I'm embarrassed to not have a non-selfish reason to stop.

Ds is sleeping in his cot again this evening and went down really easily. He has been in a good mood during the day too hmm. Either I have cracked this parenting malarky or it's the calm before a horrid growth spurt. Tonight I put him down half awake, patted his back while he had the fixed stare and then he drifted off. No crying...again?! Just need to do the same Fvp and try to stay awake during the night to put him back. I just get mole eyes and want to sleep and he seems to get more cuddly during the night grin. Poor dh keeps ending up with no room though. Ds nudges and prods him until he moves.

Nickel I hope your little one feels better soon. This is hard enough without a wee poorly baby. Are the doctors being helpful?

CuriosityCola Tue 31-Jul-12 21:24:56

Meant to say...thanks for sharing Fvp. I see my friend feed her little boy (same age as ds) and he loves it. He lies across her lap, completely focused on his feed and then when he is done, he is done...all happy and content. Ds was hungry, but might miss something...on, off, on, off...might want other boob, no prefer this boob...on, off, on, off...what can my hands reach while I'm feeding...pulls my hair, stretches my top or worst of all tries to grab other nipple, during all this he would kick continuously and try to crawl around on my lap (as good as any time to practice). Every bad habit under the sun!

nickelbarapasaurus Wed 01-Aug-12 11:45:05

dd is like that when she's itchy.
i have to hold her upper hand with my hand and clamp her underside arm with my elbow.
if she pulls off twice, i put my boob away.

CuriosityCola Wed 01-Aug-12 19:07:15

That's what I used to do, but he was feeding all night to make up for it and there just isn't enough room in our bed anymore. Plus he was grinding his gums on my boob <cringe>

I know I have said this already, but I was just watching him sleeping in his cot and thinking this is not my child. He has gone from being a Velcro baby and very demanding (shouting) to really happy and funny at the moment. It's really unnervingblush

nickelbarapasaurus Wed 01-Aug-12 21:13:07

DD does feed pretty much all night.

but she feeds almost every two hours in the daytime too! (always has done)

We have Object Permanance!
I thought she did a few times this week, but this was definite - she's been in her little chair eating melon, then sucking at broccoli and deciding today is not broccoli day. I handed her a rattle, she played around with it for a while, then dropped it while she was shaking it. Her entire head and eyes looked for it over the edge of the chair after it had fallen
my child, the genius!

nickelbarapasaurus Wed 01-Aug-12 21:13:39

oh, and when I picked it up again for her, he was not surprised by it - she knew that she wanted it specifically

nickelbarapasaurus Wed 01-Aug-12 21:13:50

(stiff keyboard)

CuriosityCola Wed 01-Aug-12 21:44:26

Ah, I love the whole milestones thing. I have the wonder years app for my I-phone. I haven't checked it for a while, should really have a look.

When ds has a particular food day it drives dh mad, but I find it quite funny. Whatever food he doesn't want gets chucked on the floor (thus dh not being happy). Last week made him a salmon and pasta dish. He was loving broccoli (again) and pasta. Despite previously loving salmon it was painstakingly removed from the high chair tray and chucked on the floor. grin

He has also gone off bread at the moment. Obviously taking after his dad there as I'm a carb queen!

nickelbarapasaurus Thu 02-Aug-12 11:15:30


she's just eaten most of a banana.
she was doing fine until she couldn't keep hold of the bit (had to take it out of the skin to finish it)
i thought [lightbulb] "i'll put a sucker stick on it and make it a lolly"
that worked for 3 seconds.
then she desperately wanted a cuddle - i couldn't do that at work when she's covered in banana! i stripped her and she's now having some boob juice.

vallinnapod Thu 02-Aug-12 18:01:53

CC I get the same with DS. He looks like a proper little boy these days. Especially when he is doing things like feeding himself and chewing. Obviously massively proud but I do wonder where 11 months have gone!

He started settling into nursery this week. Has taken to it like a duck to water - not that I am surprised. He has been going for and hour or so a day this week and next before starting his one whole day on 14th. I cannot believe how filthy, or knackered, he is when I pick him up!! Highly recommend it for nap inducement!!

LOL nickel I absolutely loved it when DS realised things hit the floor! Less so when he realised they could be picked up again if enough fuss was made grin

nickelbarapasaurus Fri 03-Aug-12 11:10:36


we had a nasty day yesterday.
my friend from nottingham came down (the one who was at the birth), with her 14w old.
DD wanted to be fed every single time he did! so i was practically clusterfeeding all afternoon and evening! she didn't need it, she just wanted what he was having. hmm

but! we also went out for dinner, and she ate quite a lot - some carrots, peas (maybe - she was certainly chasing them round the tray grin), some naan bread.
and she'd eaten most of a banana in the morning and some broccoli at lunch.
i think it was a "feed me!" day grin

CuriosityCola Sun 05-Aug-12 18:53:44

It is very quiet on here. Everyone too busy enjoying the Olympics?!

nickelbarapasaurus Sun 05-Aug-12 20:59:33

i haven't watched any of it!

spending a lot of time worrying abut this blodgy, itchy creature. hmm
I took her to the memorial today - we were planning on going after church, but she'd had such a bad night <yawn> and looked just as bad if not worse this morning that we went into church, practised the anthem and i left as the service was starting.
Thankfully there was a doc on duty and we saw him very quickly. he basically reassured me that it was just a flare-up and to carry on doing what we're doing.
i even got back in time for communion!

CuriosityCola Sun 05-Aug-12 21:05:17

Oh 'Nickel' you are having a right time of it. It must be so hard to see your dd so uncomfortable with it. I think you did the right thing getting reassurance from the doctor.

Is there anything in particular that makes her skin better or worse?

nickelbarapasaurus Sun 05-Aug-12 21:10:42


dunno about better/worse. can't tell.
think she scratches more when she's tired, but of course she doesn't sleep, so i'm having ti learn the cues.

got her off to sleep this afternoon by taking her on a trip round the block in the pram (this was after she'd fallen asleep feeding but woken after 5 glorious minutes!)
and she slept for about 2 hours! shock

nickelbarapasaurus Sun 05-Aug-12 21:32:34

just looking at nhs "birth to 5 years"

it reads like they advocate the baby-led-weaning route.

FeijoaVodkaPlease Sun 05-Aug-12 23:19:35

I'm about. Just not got the the laptop on much and I find typing on my phone painful and slow, so don't bother much.

All okay here. just finishing up my abs, but sore boob is no longer sore thank goodness.

CuriosityCola Mon 06-Aug-12 20:33:53

Glad you are feeling better FVP.

Nickel, they are in theory meant to be encouraging Blw. Many of the health visitors haven't been given the training or guidance required on it though. Therefore, feel uncomfortable suggesting something they are not completely clued up on. My weaning talk consisted of ,'this is the Annabel Karmel book, she has everything covered, so you should buy her book'. Then a series of quotes from the book.

Glad you got a two hour nap from dd today. I bet she felt much happier for it. I have to say that you can't beat some fresh air to get them to sleep. When ds was having four naps a day I was walking him for each of them. Miles and miles of walking different routes round my area. Goodbye baby weight, but I'm convinced a good portion was sleep walking! grin

Not much to update on here, just wish the weather would decide what it's doing (be sunny) and stick to it.

vallinnapod Mon 06-Aug-12 22:17:49

I don't know what I will do when the Olympics are over grin

I am a bit angry with HVs. I started a thread a few weeks ago as my HV told me to cut DS's milk down (from 3 bottles to 2) as he gets a lot of dairy in his diet. He is getting under the 500ml-a-day-or-you-should-give-vitamins but this was never mentioned. Now feel like a pants parent as since 10.5 months DS has 'only' had 390mls and no extra vits. He does have a really varied diet but still, how to know what's best. He hasn't once fussed for the dropped feed and frequently doesn't finish the 180ml bedtime bottle.

Feeling sad too as the poor bub has a tongue full of ulcers. He is teething his molars and has been very sad this arvo. I turned him upside down (our preferred method for having a look in his mouth as he laughs so much grin) and no sign of teeth but one huge ulcer in the middle of a cluster of smaller ones sadsadsad Have give him some teething gel and ibuprofen but he is waking frequently and it is clearly hurting him as he sucks his thumb a little then spits it out and cries sad

I have him snuggled next to me in bed or the first time in ages....he has quite a left hook and rib jab on him these days hmm

vallinnapod Mon 06-Aug-12 22:20:06

Sorry, got all me, me, me! Was meant to say our weaning talk was hilariously skewed to purées! I nearly walked out....

nickelbarapasaurus Tue 07-Aug-12 11:51:40

Yesterday, Monday, was a completely different story!
she was sooo tired, but instead of going to sleep in the buggy, she stayed awake.
then DH took her to the Post Office and to the knitting shop, and she stayed awake.
she didn't sleep yesterday until we left the shop for home grinhmm

val - why don't HVs learn about babies' care? hmm
this is why i'm glad i've not seen mine at all
sad at his ulcers.

FeijoaVodkaPlease Tue 07-Aug-12 18:46:14

I seem to have come up trumps with my local HVs. Was encouraging when I said I was already BLW at the weaning talk and today at DDs 12-14 month check up a got to sit there and say 'DD has been completely BLWed and loves it and hates being spoon fed' smile Also the HV was really impressed that DD was wearing an amber teething anklet. I should have had her in the sling, that probably would have blown her mind! (in a good way).

CuriosityCola Tue 07-Aug-12 19:58:21

Do you think those anklets make a difference? I have been debating about making a purchase.

vallinnapod Tue 07-Aug-12 20:06:14

Got one for DS and can't say either way really as we have now had to take it off (for fear of him ingesting it whole.....hmm)

CuriosityCola Tue 07-Aug-12 21:09:18

Somehow missed your original post Val. Your poor son. I get ulcers whenever I'm a bit run down and about to get a cold or something. Very painful.

<we still have no teeth>

FeijoaVodkaPlease Wed 08-Aug-12 14:40:03

I honestly don't know CC we've only had it for a week and a half. At the very least it looks really nice, but I must say that she is teething (again) and in the last week we've had more full nights of sleep in a row than we've had since she was 2 months old. ( 4 out of the last 5!!!)

Sorry DS is taking it so hard Val. It sounds like you've tried eerything, so can't suggest anything sorry. All my fingers crossed those nasty teeth hurry on through.

FeijoaVodkaPlease Fri 10-Aug-12 22:23:28

We're off to Edinburgh for some festival fun tomorrow. I can't wait as for all the years I've been here I haven't managed to get to the festival. We are leaving the pushchair at home and only taking our ergo carrier that neither DH or I like very much though, so it could prove ... interesting. grin

CuriosityCola Sat 11-Aug-12 10:33:12

FVP, make sure you head to St Andrews square. Lots of stuff on for little ones and good crawling/toddling space x

nickelbarapasaurus Sat 11-Aug-12 14:20:25

i'm getting beaten up by a couple of posters on another thread i started yesterday.
MNHQ rightly let the thread stand because i was getting some help and support, but there are a couple of posters who think i'm a violent mum who's beating up DD and the other posters are apparently "enabling" me to do so...

i'm not replying to the thread because i don't want to spark a bunfight.

poor DD andher eczema.
went to the GP last night and explained what had happened with it this week.
he's trying one more thing then thinking about a specialist.

CuriosityCola Sat 11-Aug-12 21:37:45

Sorry nickel, only just seen this. Where is this thread?

Eskarina Sat 11-Aug-12 22:06:55

Nickel, big hugs. Have just read your other thread and want to send you lots of love (v un-MN-y I know). Take what is helpful to you from the thread (even if "helpful" isn't the same as "what you wanted to hear") and ignore those who are just wading in to take a pop at you. Vent on here to us too as we're not going to get nasty smile

We went to the triathlon on Tuesday and had a great time. Dd's first trip into London proper (DH works in zone 5 and we live further out than that) and was a great success.

CuriosityCola Sat 11-Aug-12 22:15:46

Found the thread and read the first few pages. Good advice from Esk below. People are determined to fix your life for you aren't they?

As for the slapping thing I think it depends on your perspective. I bent down to pick something up the other day and ds grabbed my hair. I couldn't get him to realise and kind of panicked and flapped at his hands, whilst saying no, no, NO! blush I ended up with tears in my eyes and he was sat smiling with two fistfuls of my hair. Great game!

My instincts like yours were wrong, but I never expected to be brought to my knees by a one year old pulling my hair. It's not in the baby books!

I do worry about how much pressure you are under. What do you think would help <in an ideal world>?

CuriosityCola Sat 11-Aug-12 22:23:30

Esk, glad you had a fab time at the Olympics. I took ds to London for a few days and had a great time wandering about soaking up the atmosphere.

nickelcognito Sun 12-Aug-12 14:18:17

oh, i wasn't expecting everyone to clamber to my side! but i did kind of hope that people would give me a bit of sympathy/empathy. I was most perturbed by those who seemed to be telling me that what i did was the wosrt thing in the world that i could ever have done - bit hysterical, made me want to ignore any valid points they may have made...

I agree - the baby books should have a huge section on "your baby will bite/pull hair/pinch when you least expect it - coping strategies"
then they could have put the thing about pushing the hand in when the pinch gets too much.
It must have been stress-related more than pain, though, because later on she grabbed hold of my wrist with her teeth and bit down hard and long and it hardly hurt me at all. hmm

I don't know what would help, really. I need a member of staff, someone that I can rely on to look after the shop so that I can do what I need to with DD, or who can be there to chat and help me generally. I also need a lot more customers to ease the worry of the financial burden. But that one doesn't seem to be forthcoming. I am trying not to worry about it, and I know there's nothing I can do, but it's so stressful. I want to keep in business, because I love it sooooo mcu, but i obviously can't do it where I am (in the street) but i don't know how worth the risk moving up the road into the busier part will be.
If only this regeneration thing would hurry up, then I could move into a lovely brand-spanking new building in the part of the town where everyone will be (this will not happen, because no chains are opening new brnaches in shitty towns like ours!)
It's not worth moving until it's obvious where i can move to successfully, anyway.
(12 month leases seem to be the best idea at the moment)

CuriosityCola Sun 12-Aug-12 18:35:55

I tried the pushing the hand in thing today and it didn't work hmm. Ds is terrible for pinching when he is tired though, so will no doubt get plenty of practice smile

What kind of hours does your dh work Nickel? Mine leaves just after 7am and tries to be home by 7pm. He works in IT so the hours are horrid. Fortunately ds is in a 6am-6pm pattern so dh gets up with him and ds follows him about while he gets ready and he then gives ds breakfast. It's only a little break but makes a huge difference to my day.

As for the people saying its unhealthy being in a shop all the time, I think they are imagining that you leave your child to wilt away in a play pen all day. After all babies are well known for not expressing themselves when they are bored! It's doesn't sound much different to ds and I spending a good portion of the day in the living room.

Are you feeling generally happy apart from business worries?

CuriosityCola Sun 12-Aug-12 18:44:31

Just had to rock ds back to sleep so sent massive post before it vanished.

FVP, how was the Fringe? I just noticed that you mentioned not liking your ergo...I'm not sure we can still be friends wink I love mine, but ds has started nipping (my very toned) fleshy part under my chin when he has had enough sad

I have so much to do tonight and I just can't be bothered. Wish I had bought in some junk food.

FeijoaVodkaPlease Mon 13-Aug-12 10:45:29

xkikkkkkkkoooo oo

nickelcognito Mon 13-Aug-12 11:24:13

FVP is so enamoured she's been rendered speechless wink

nickelcognito Mon 13-Aug-12 11:33:15

i was thinking about all of this after evensong.
she's started getting into a basic routine, based on the 6 days in the shop.
she's normally falling asleep in the pram at 5:30(ish) as we leave for home, then sleeping for a couple of hours.
of course, on sunday evensong, we leave home at 5:30, but she's not asleep when we get there (because she's not knackered!), and she doesn't sleep then because it's just too exciting. then she gets knackered, but won't sleep without boob. cue me getting worried about feeding her in the very warm robes, because it makes us both uncomfortably hot! But she's already upset and we're halfway through the service. (she had a feed during rehearsals, where I deliberately didn't robe in case she wanted to feed to sleep then)
I can't get out of the stalls and take off my robes and get to feed her quickly enough - she goes from "i'm perfectly happy playing" to "feed me now you bitch!" within about 5 minutes!
anyway, I fed her for a bit under my robes and she fell asleep, so i thought, excellent, I'll put her in the pram (like i do when she does this at work during the day) and she'll stay asleep.
NO! she wasn't in the right type of sleep, so she woke up again.
I had to wheel her round the south transept for ages trying to get her off. thought she was, but then she started to cry, and that was it.
I picked her up and she stopped, and she didn't try to get milk, so confused

I just can't work her out at all.
she was totally out of her routine and she couldn't handle it.

At least in the shop, it's a steady routine every day - so far today, she's played in the story corner while I've stripped the window, I served and chatted to a customer, she got antsy (DD not the customer) and obviously wanted a feed ( about 10 to 11, so just about right), and she went to sleep, which is why i'm typing this.
i put her in the buggy asleep.
now i need to start dressing my window!
I'm putting Gruffalo stuff in it. grin

CuriosityCola Mon 13-Aug-12 16:17:08

Oooh, I love the gruffalo. Hope you got the display finished.

Routines are strange. I think we have only settled into a nice routine since I gave up trying to tweak timings to get ds to go to bed at 7pm. He is just a 6am-6pm baby (until the clocks change anyway!).

Ds is taking a longer morning nap in his cot or in with me about two hours after he wakes up. The he has another half hour at some point when we are out and about. Why I never encouraged the longer nap in the morning before I don't know. Then again maybe he wasn't ready for it?

Nickel, routines aside...when do you get a break? If you work 6 days and then have church on a Sunday, do you get any down time?

Lastly, I have a kind of silly question. I'm a little bit pfb when it comes to feeding ds. Will it make me a terrible mum if I let him eat fish fingers? I'm having haggis for dinner and trying to think what to give ds instead. The salt content doesn't look too bad, but I'm terrible at 'judging' ingredients blush <awaits knock on door from Jamie Oliver aka food police>

nickelcognito Mon 13-Aug-12 17:08:09

let him eat the haggis smile

nickelcognito Mon 13-Aug-12 17:10:19

i think i did - i've got to wait for some more books and some toys to arrive, and i can pad it out a bit.
but i've put 3 posters in the window saying the gruffalo is coming! grin

my downtime is the evenings and sunday afternoon.
you can see me paving around on sunday trying to find stuff to do... hmm at myself.

CuriosityCola Mon 13-Aug-12 21:09:43

Ha, allocated relaxation time can be annoying can't it? Dh normally makes a 101 suggestions of things for me to do. 'No I don't want to go to the gym, that's your idea of fun'.

Ds is staying at his grandparents this Saturday. The thought of leaving him makes me feel ill, but I know he will be fine. Have already done a trial of dh being the only one on duty for a whole night and he didn't seem bothered.

Btw, found some Salmon that dh had bought for himself. Ds chucked most of it on the floor anyway.

FVP, where is your real update? grin

Esk, are you all set for dd's birthday? Only two and a half weeks...eek!

nickelcognito Tue 14-Aug-12 10:53:19

bloomin' eck! she fell asleep feeding! just now!
i dropped my boob pad and picked it up. she woke up! and cried! argh!
and carried on crying!
got distracted by a man going to exhibition, scratched, rubbed her face on me, and is now sucking her thumb.
thankfully not scratching!

FeijoaVodkaPlease Tue 14-Aug-12 13:43:32

Sorry that was miniFVPgirl who updated the other day. And as she is here asking for lunch, I'll come back and upDAtE proPERLY SOON.


Fringe was ace btw. Thanks for the St Andrews Sq tip CC. DS loved it.

Eskarina Tue 14-Aug-12 21:43:54

Cc, sorry to break it to you but dd/ds's joint birthday is in 1.5 not 2.5 weeks smile well, 12 days to be precise. We had a fab little birthday party for all the babies in our nct group on Saturday. It was lovely to think we've known these 6 tiny people from birth and seen them develop into such wonderful individual characters.

CuriosityCola Wed 15-Aug-12 08:16:10

Glad you enjoyed it FVP. My ds loved the sandpit too and was then tired out crawling about the grass. It's not very often where you can find somewhere to out the little monkeys down and not have to redirect or apologise for them every two minutes. smile

Esk despite the bad date calculation, I am organised...honest!grin
Already had nct joint party, which was heaps of fun. Got another family gathering planned for the Sunday. Was thinking an August baby would be a BBQ party definite, but shall see if the weather wants to play nice.

We have had some milestones (at last!!!!). Ds's bottom two teeth have came in together over the last couple of days (thankfully as mil was 'getting worries'hmm) and ds took his first steps. Still working on the sleep front grin

Just had a look on the conception thread and just Mumming thread and I don't recognise anyone.

CuriosityCola Wed 15-Aug-12 08:24:15

Please excuse spelling and grammar as usual blush

FeijoaVodkaPlease Wed 15-Aug-12 20:48:20

The day I don't feel stupidly over excited to arrive in Edinburgh is the day I shouldn't live in Scotland anymore. We didn't make it over to the old town this time, just wandered around Princess Street/PSGardens, St Andrews Sq (DS tried golf, he was crap, but so proud of himself) and back thorugh the gardens again. There was so much on, with out taking into account all the paid stuff we missed. It was like Edinburgh on steroids! We'll definately be back for the Christmas fare again. I agree about it being nice to have some where to let the little little ones out. There is nowhere like that in Stirling with out going to the park, so poor DD is either in the carrier or pushchair far more than she would like.

As for not liking the ergo CC, I'm sorry. I've tried but really just isn't for me, so I'm selling it to TTL and getting myself a melkaj mei tai instead (because I still love using a carrier). I'm also talking myself into needing a ring sling with my birthday funds...

Yay for up coming birthdays smile Sounds like a thread party to me - cake for all and bubbles for the Mummies... grinwink

Also yay for milestones. Our latest milestone was putting DD in proper pigtails. It's just to bad she keeps pulling them out.

Did Miffles have her baby yet?

vallinnapod Thu 16-Aug-12 10:13:45

STOP HAVING BIRTHDAYS BABIES! DS's is now 2 weeks away and I am in denial (despite planning a party - for us really...)

It's OK CC I still love my Ergo wink...and my Moby - although I love the Moby more than DS, it's enforced cuddle time for him!!

FVP so cute with the pigtails!! DS has a mullet hmm but I still refuse to cut his hair yet grin

I am having big work wobbles. DS started nursery one day a week this week. Thought I would LOVE the day to myself. Went to the cinema and had a massage but hated every second although fell asleep during the massage sad DS's face crumpled as I left and then when I picked him up he was screaming - they had just changed him though - which is akin to torture in his eyes at the moment. I still don't return until 2 October but I would now do anything not to. Am hoping that I can either stick it out for the 12 months I need to to pay back my mat pay or I get pregnant (which is going cost ££££££ so will need to work)...grrrr...

CuriosityCola Fri 17-Aug-12 09:04:27

Aw, pigtails are very, very cute smile

grin @ mullet. So many of the babies have funny hair at this point don't they? Ds looked like a 90 year old mad professor for a long time, so grateful the hair has thickened up and came through at the top!

Does anyone have the vtech baby walker? I got given one yesterday (passed down) from my mil. 'it's in good condition, but the batteries are completely flat'. Fast forward to middle of the night and ds and I are fast asleep. Dh is away. I'm in my bed and ds is in his cot for once. Then all I hear is 'hello baby' and funny noises. Well I just about hit the ceiling. I couldn't decide if I was having a nightmare or if something had said it. Then I was cursing myself for doing what your not supposed to do in a horror movie...look for the noise! Anyway, I eventually worked it out and retreated back under the duvet. Ds was none the wiser thankfully. I'm such a coward! blush

vallinnapod Fri 17-Aug-12 10:30:03

Hahaha CC - DS was give a speaking nursery rhyme book by MIL judgey judge, would rather actually read to my son and as the batteries have died and I refuse to replace them it has gone all weird and slow mo. Quite amusing but it randomly sparks up when DS has gone to bed!

I don't have any experience with the walker, there is once at the play cafe we go to. DS likes the lights and noise but has shown no real inclination to walk holding on to it, or my fingers, or anything other than the sofa smile

CuriosityCola Fri 17-Aug-12 21:27:44

Val my ds was exactly the same up until about two weeks ago. He actually still doesn't like walking holding hands very much. Too independent already <sigh>

CuriosityCola Fri 17-Aug-12 21:36:39

P.s. I wasn't ignoring your work worries. A few of my friends are going through the same at the moment and I don't know what to say to make it better.

FeijoaVodkaPlease Sat 18-Aug-12 10:38:00

I've only used those walkers at the baby and toddler group, so have never seen one with proper working batteries. V-Tech is evil. One of my sisters sent DD a V-tech steering wheel toy. I put hid it in the cupboard after 10 mins and am going to put it on ebay when I get around to it. As for toys randomly going off in the middle of the night, there is nothing worse!

Also not ignoring the going back to work worries, I just have no advise having not been through it. I think we're damned if we do and damned if we don't.

Would someone please explain to DD that she is 13 months, not years and to there fore stop being so willful?!

nickelcognito Sat 18-Aug-12 13:05:56

we went to the doc's last night about the eczema - the latest cream, Cetraben is working, but she doesn't stop scratching. so he's referring us to a dermatologist to see if they can help with the scratching - it'll be things like wraps for her arms and legs that seal in the cream and stop the itching. or something.

vallinnapod Sat 18-Aug-12 17:01:40

Thanks guys - I can rationalise work but it doesn't make it any better!

Nickel poor DD sad I really, really sympathise.

vallinnapod Sat 18-Aug-12 17:02:58

PS - just give up and bought a Maclaren...I soooo thought I could make the Uppababy our only pushchair but 'test drove' in John Lewis and they are soooooo much easier.

Never had DS forward facing. I don't think I will use it all the time as I will miss our random chats!

FeijoaVodkaPlease Sat 18-Aug-12 19:00:01

Sitting here very still and quietly so as not to wake up DD who will now only go to sleep in DH's arms, as booby juice is no longer sleepy juice.

Could the scratching be habit now Nickel? It's so hard watching them constantly do things to themselves that we know hurts them. <yes DS and your manky fingers, I'm lookng at you. Again> I really hope your referal comes through quickly and that the dermatologist is able to help x

Success, baby in bed asleep. Preschooler in bed asleep. All BEFORE bedtime. Now to order in dinner, find something on TV to make me laugh, have in 'incident' and pass out all before DD wakes up again. grin

vallinnapod Sat 18-Aug-12 19:33:21


Guys - advice needed. Over the past 3-4 days DS has been having the foulest nappies. 3-6 A DAY. All full of crap, all having oozed out the side and over his bed. Each nappy is an outfit ruiner and every other one requires him to be hosed down in the bath. He was never a poonami baby, even the BM poos stayed contained. He has had one on bed or at nap time 5 or 6 times over the past few days which has gone everywhere.

I guess it could be teeth but they are not those horrible mucousy nappies. I was also wondering if it may be a duff batch of nappies (pampers active fit).

Any experience? Rather blush but on Thursday I actually burst into tears at the prospect of yet another total clean up sad

CuriosityCola Wed 22-Aug-12 07:45:26

How are things now Val? I can commiserate on the poo explosion front as Ds has had a tummy bug for a couple of days recently. Was horrible. He has now decided the best place to poo is in the bath hmm. Gross! Is your ds eating differently. I think sometimes teething causes fussy eating and then weird nappies.

Very sleep deprived here as dh is away until Friday. Ds now fully bottle fed and 'sleeping' in his cot. Normally just wakes a couple of times, but last night woke 7 times. <bleary eyes>

Eskarina Sat 25-Aug-12 08:25:45

How did the rest of the week go cc? Hope DS decided to sleep a bit better and that DH gives you a bit of a rest when he's back.

We will have 1 year olds tomorrow!!! I think if I ignore it it won't be true? Not that I can ignore a family BBQ and overexcited grandparents! I still have a cake to make and the shopping to do, then dd's godparents are coming for the afternoon. Oh, and we're trying to sell our house so I somehow need to keep it looking spotless with 4 adults, 3 children (inc 2 mobile babies/toddlers) a cat and a mad dog!

We had dd's 1 year health check yesterday. HV seemed happy with everything except dd's legs - apparently she has an extra crease in one leg and her legs are very slightly different lengths - well, that's what she thinks, can't say I agree, dd was getting too cross with this woman pulling her legs to cooperate any longer.

Hope you have a fab day with DS tomorrow cc. Happy birthday little man!

CuriosityCola Sat 25-Aug-12 11:37:41

Happy birthday to babyesk for tomorrow! <balloons and streamers emoticon>

The rest of the week wasn't too bad esk. Dh has been lovely since his return. I managed to lie in until 8am this morning...bliss!

I'm sure a further appointment will show everything is fine with dd's leg. Your instincts are probably right.

I feel a little overwhelmed at ds turning one. Where has the time gone? It really doesn't seem that long ago I was choosing which conception thread looked the best grin Speaking of which, dh and I are not going to use contraception and let nature take its course. I have gone from not wanting another to being exceptionally broody.

Nickel how are things with you? Any progress on finding something to relieve dd's skin?

FeijoaVodkaPlease Sat 25-Aug-12 16:44:40

Happy Birthday Babies xxx

nickelcognito Sat 25-Aug-12 17:05:37

one year olds!! shock

happy Birthday to you all grin

nothing seems top work - the latest thing we have is Cetraben, which when we went to the gp's last, seemed to be working, but she's been horribly hot all this week and really cry-y. (and skin just looks soooo dry)
so i think t might be heat rash too.
the anti-histamine has almost gone and i'm worried that it is helping (after telling gp it didn't seem to make a difference)

he's still referring us to the specialist.

CuriosityCola Sun 26-Aug-12 10:50:27

I would just try and see the specialist anyway.

Eek...my baby is one today! I'm very emotional.

Eskarina Sun 26-Aug-12 20:11:59

Hope DS, you and DH had a fab day today cc. Dd has been completely spoilt!

CuriosityCola Sun 26-Aug-12 21:33:32

Hope you guys had a great day too Esk. Ds's small get together was actually quite large and manic. We all had a blast though. Ds was thoroughly spoiled. <shattered>smile

CuriosityCola Sun 26-Aug-12 21:34:00

Spoiled?! Haha

CuriosityCola Sun 26-Aug-12 21:37:31

Btw, we made a birthday message using this:


Ds and his wee cousins loved it. He may be on a screen near you soon wink

Dh and I are now discussing the word spoiled. I think it looks wrong and he says it's fine. <tired and brain not working>

CuriosityCola Wed 29-Aug-12 05:50:24

Have I killed the thread?blush

might just ramble on about my lack of sleep anyway <weeps>

FeijoaVodkaPlease Wed 29-Aug-12 10:28:22

Nope thread not killed. Mush brain making coherent conversation difficult the last couple of days.

Pleased to hear that Mini-CC and Mini-Esk had lovely birthdays. xx

nickelcognito Wed 29-Aug-12 11:59:20

lack of sleep?! shock

don't talk to me about lack of sleep!

on monday, DD had a nap of about 20 minutes. i think. it might have been less. (when we went out in the car. she'd woken when we got home)
she went to bed on monday evening and didn't sleep a wink until about 6 o'clock tuesday morning.
then she didn't have a single nap on tuesday. apart from when she fell asleep feeding which lasted 5-10 minutes.
last night she slept from 11ish to 3 ish.
then was wide awake until 7ish.
and slept for about an hour before we got up.

FeijoaVodkaPlease Wed 29-Aug-12 15:18:28

Oh, ow Nickel! What's up with mini-Nickel to be not sleeping? Growing perhaps?

My sleep devrivation isn't terribley bad if I'm honest. DD is just very inconsistent with it, so some nights i get plenty of sleep, then we have a couple of nights of pants sleep, so I'm stuck in a vicious cycle of being exhausted, recovering, feeling fine, back to exhausted again. Still DS has had his first day at his new nursery today and that will help as I get a break from his boundless energy for a couple of hours. (even better, I sent DH off with DD to pick him up and I have managed to get some BLW 'nana .muffins in the oven. - I'll share them round once they're done)

nickelcognito Wed 29-Aug-12 15:40:21

i don't know! she just doesn't like to sleep!
She hasn't slept today yet, either.
fell asleep on the boob, or so I thought. she literally woke up as soon as i reached for my pad to put myself away.

CuriosityCola Wed 29-Aug-12 19:36:28

Nickel I feel your pain sad. I had the neighbour from below complain this morning. They had been woken at half 5 by noise and what sounded like a baby crawling about. Yes, that is because he was up and rampaging about at that time. This is the second time they have been woken early. I could barely stop myself from saying the sound proofing is better than you think or you would have complained ages ago! I apologised, but don't know what I can do really?

Now I want banana muffins. I keep going to make them, but the bananas never last in the fruit bowl long enough.

Fingers crossed for more sleep for you tonight Nickel

vallinnapod Wed 29-Aug-12 20:26:23

Sorry, this dropped off my active list!

Firstly - HAPPY BIRTHDAY BABIES!! I am in so much denial about our big day on Friday! Makes me want to cry thinking about where this year has gone. I miss the newborn stage sooooooo much. Still, back to the baby factory in a couple of months for us, so fingers crossed!

All calmer on the poo front - thank god grin

Hope the sleep deprivation has eased CC, DS been a bit high temperature and unsettled so has had a couple of mad nights. Odd how hard it is to cope when you are used to a month and a half of unbroken nights! shock at your neighbour...glad the ones next to me have much louder kids too (the other side is a deaf 90 year old!)!

Esk trust your instincts and try not to worry about DD's leg - way easier said than done.

Right, I need to tidy the house, wrap pressies and make a cake! DH is on balloon duty tomorrow eveing as my NCT group are having a dinner to celebrate a year of not killing our babies mummy-hood!

CuriosityCola Wed 29-Aug-12 21:32:26

Val we could be conception buddies again grin. It's been a while since we had any shag capes flying!

Good luck for Friday. Our babies are getting way to grown up <blubs>

vallinnapod Wed 29-Aug-12 22:34:24

LOL CC - I just get to go about it the boring way! Will be defrosting my little embryos towards the end of the year (DH gets a bonus in November which funds potential DC2). Have shagged a handful of times with wild abandon since DS's birth but no ERTD so am guessing my hormones are still fecked. Am seeing a gynae at the mo (NHS one, before heading back the the fertility blackhole money pit clinic) - next appointment in October.

Birthday cake just baked with a handful of my tears...was not this emotional before DS blush

Eskarina Thu 30-Aug-12 07:36:43

Morning ladies. Urgh to the broken nights. Nickel, your dd must be made of strong stuff if she can go that long without sleep! I though mine did well when she does her no-nap days of being awake 6am-7pm, but at least she then sleeps the othe 11 hours straight. Must be completely bloomin knackering for you brew and sympathy!

Actually dd has had a couple of disturbed nights but it's because she's not well. Poor baby had her mmr+boosters on Tuesday, nurse asked if she was well, which she was on tues am, by the time the afternoon rolled round it was obvious she had the cold that DH and I have been sharing this week, and yesterday she was a snotty coughing tearful mess. So much so that she got up at 9pm (having been asleep for 2hours) to tell us again how miserable she is. Poor baby. She's cheerful enough this morning, if a bit hoarse.

Which is just as well because today is her first morning at her childminder. Just a settling in session, though I'm not sure how long for. Tbh I could do with as long as I can get in school sorting my classroom out so I would have happily left her for as long as I could so I can get on but I doubt a cm wants an ill, grumpy, unfamiliar baby for very long. I tried taking her into work yesterday but had to give up v quickly when it became obvious that she was not going to nap in the buggy as planned, then either wailed and clung to my ankles or raced around the room finding wildly unsuitable things to chew. I start work properly on Monday confused

grin to the ttc. I have been skulking on a couple of threads about elcs to see if that would be an option for me next time (doesn't look like it tbh). DH and I would quite like to start ttc for a summer baby next year but the birth is putting me off so much. Can't face that again at the moment. Still, with all these capes flying around we'll look like a little brace of superheroes (anyone have the misfortune to remember the powerpuff girls?!)

Val, hope DS has a fab day tomorrow! Well done on surviving the year! X

nickelcognito Thu 30-Aug-12 12:17:26

well, we had a night of sleep!
she's obviously exhausted herself.
we both slept (well, i slept, so am assuming she did too...wink) from about 11:30 till about 3, then woke and latched on and slept again till 5ish - we were awake just before DH but didn't go back to sleep ntil afte r6.
then we slept on and off until we were forced to get up.

i feel soooo rested! grin

FeijoaVodkaPlease Thu 30-Aug-12 20:33:08

I've been on the grad thread trying to recruit new babies for us to steal and cuddle viroid post grads grin. It made me realise that 2 years ago I was still JSing (actually 2 years ago I was having chem pg 2 :S )! Now I'm sitting here wishing DD would Go To SLEEP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (or even just stop pulling all the books off of the bookcase <sigh>)

Eskarina Thu 30-Aug-12 21:59:38

Ooh yes fvp, new suggly newborn cuddles! I could almost feel broody! if I forget that dd screamed nonstop for the first 6 months
Dd loved her morning at the childminders, which is a huge relief. She was miserable as anything this morning before we set off so i was amazed when I didn't get a phone call within the first hour of me being away. She even had a nap there!

CuriosityCola Fri 31-Aug-12 09:58:31

Esk why isn't elcs an option? I had a friend who cried in her doctors appointment (it was her first baby) until he promised her one. He even gave her a card that said if she went into labour early she should be given a section ASAP. She didn't like the idea of giving birth hmm

Eskarina Fri 31-Aug-12 19:27:36

Well, I think you need a good reason (might be different in Scotland, assuming that's where your friend is too?) ie breech baby etc. I've read the nice guidelines about it and it does say that if mother requests elcs she should be referred to psychiatry or other MH dept for counselling first, then if she still insists then a cs can be offered. I suppose crying at the dr could work, but I think I would go mad with the uncertainty of it all, so I'd rather get into a place where I can face giving birth naturally again before ttc, and hope that that's some time before the menopause within the window that we'd said we wanted to go for dc2

CuriosityCola Fri 31-Aug-12 22:29:18

It was a friend in London. I don't think she got referred, just sobbed and sobbed and sobbed. Then when he sorted out the consultant for her she sobbed some more for the 'she must be given elcs' card to carry. I will ask next time I see her for more details. She can't even talk about natural birth without going white, but is more than comfortable talking about her very positive experience.

As an outsider, one negative appeared to be that she was very cut off from everyone while she healed. She lived in a first floor flat and couldn't leave the house unless her hubby was home or someone travelled over to get help her sad

You are obviously missing the hormone that makes you forget. Seriously though, I think there is a link on here somewhere for post birth counselling and it is really meant to help.

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nickelcognito Mon 03-Sep-12 11:23:57

aw, what did it say?
i wanna know!!

CuriosityCola Mon 03-Sep-12 12:45:37

Just selling baby items, I reported it grin

How are you Nickel?

I'm on holiday for a few days. Ds is with dh's parents. Missing him so much I'm still waking up at his usual times during the night blush

nickelcognito Mon 03-Sep-12 14:26:13

i'm alright thanks - trying to have a lazy day after my Gruffalo visit on saturday.
DD is being a pita - won't put me down and won't stop scratching - literally as soon as i give he her hands back, up they go to the neck!

Eskarina Mon 03-Sep-12 21:44:14

Well, I survived my first proper day at work - a whole day too (usually will be doing 1/2 days). Though I'm not sure it really really counts as dd was at home with DH. Tomorrow she goes to the childminder so is more of a real start. But she loved it there last week so I'm not worried about her. I am worried about whether my classroom will ever be ready for the kids starting on Wednesday!

Wow to the holiday cc. Of course you miss DS, but could you have imagined being able to leave him just a few weeks ago when he coslept and bf all through the night? (not that there's anything wrong with either of those things of course!) you've both done really well to get to a point where you can enjoy a little time apart knowing there'll be lots of cuddles on your return.have a wonderulf time!

nickelcognito Tue 04-Sep-12 11:19:31

nah, it only counts when she's with someone else!

CuriosityCola Sun 09-Sep-12 20:38:36

Esk, we have come a really long way! grin he has transitioned to the bottle and settling for dh with no problems. He likes to be rocked to sleep and then his back patted when put down. We have a couple of night awakenings where I do this or feed him if he needs it. Otherwise he is sleeping fine in cot. Think he was ready for it as there has been no tears or difficulties.

How have things gone for you? I have to say I was really nervous the first time I left ds with dh for a length of time. It's horrible knowing that you might come back to a shattered baby.

I need to post in the feeding section. Not sure how and when to transition to whole milk and a cup instead of formula? Or should I continue with formula/ start toddler milk. I know some people think cows milk is bad for you and it should be avoided.

Also had an appointment through for his mmr. I know it's hotly debated on here, but I haven't done any research. blush I don't believe in herd immunity. However, not sure what the risks are if any. Is there any benefit to paying to have them done separate? Do you think I will get flamed for asking? <nervous emoticon>

How is everyone doing? My days are being spent letting ds walk 6 steps to me from the couch or walking around with him holding my finger.

nickelcognito Mon 10-Sep-12 10:50:48

DD will be with DH for the evening on Thursday. I know that doesn't count as someone else, but she likes to cluster-feed in the evenings.

And I can guarantee she won't moan or whinge or bag for milk all evening because I'm not there. (bloody annoying sometimes, being the milk machine hmm)

No reason why you should go onto cow's milk if he still gets something from the formula. You can give it to him in a sippy cup or normal cup.
cow's milk isn't bad for him, it's just that it's just a drink not a foodstuff like formula is, and you'd have to add different nutrients to the solid food if you were to give up formula.

nickelcognito Mon 10-Sep-12 11:02:16

DD has another 2 teeth grin

the two bottom ones next to the middle bottom ones.
I thought teeth were supposed to grow one-by-one, but she doesn't care about that - two at a time (apart form the top 4 which were 4-at-a-time)

nickelcognito Mon 10-Sep-12 11:04:56

there aren't any worry-able risks with MMR.

It's something that was blown out of proportion by people believing and following "advice" based on erroneous and false research.

With the MMR, you get one jab instead of 3 - that means you only have to worry your baby once.
You can't get them separately on the NHS unless your baby has other health problems (which I don't know what they are, but they would tell you if you ask)
also, they have to space them out if you only have one at a time, which means that you're placing your baby at risk for longer.

nickelcognito Mon 10-Sep-12 11:05:25
CuriosityCola Mon 10-Sep-12 12:14:30

Thank you Nickel. I didn't know any little ones around the time of the mmr scare, just knew there had been one and wasn't sure of the outcome. Dh has been doing some reading this morning and it looks more risky to do them separately.

Ds does teeth two by two as well. Working on top two front teeth at the moment.

It's really hard to get info on formula and cows milk. Especially as on mumsnet they are classed as the same.

nickelcognito Mon 10-Sep-12 16:52:45

formula is based on cow's milk, i suppose, but with added extras.

if he stills enjoys it, then it's fine to carry on. (like taking vitamin supplements)

FeijoaVodkaPlease Tue 11-Sep-12 13:41:31

Some people are sensitive to cows milk. I drink goats milk as I am. But then I'm also lactose intolerant (meaning I'm normal) so I have a very limited amount of dairy in my diet anyway. Follow on formula is a con to make parents feel bad and spend more money. Children should not be getting their main source of iron from milk, it should be coming from the rest of their diet. However if you keep using standard formula at this point it's not really an issue. The main thing is to drop the bottle and encourage all drinks out of a cup.

Of course at the end of the day you have to do what work best for you and you child.

Things are ticking along here. I was hoping to have a snooze at the same time as DD as she has kindly waited until DS was at nursery before passing out, but of course I forgot I had booked in the grocery delivery, didn't I.

Oh and look at that the Sainsburys van has just pulled up!

FeijoaVodkaPlease Tue 11-Sep-12 14:01:09

Sorry my point about the cows milk is that it is bad for some people, but not most people.

CuriosityCola Thu 13-Sep-12 10:04:03

Thanks for the advice fvp. Ds had his immunisations. Think they were pretty sore, but he was fine afterwards.

Anyone doing anything exciting today? I'm bored in the house and need some inspiration (something cheap to do). My little cherub has been awake since 4am (teething) and my dh is away for a few days. Need to get out of the house and have as much caffeine as possible [smilel

CuriosityCola Thu 13-Sep-12 10:05:33

P.s. my online deliveries always arrive just as ds has fallen asleep, no matter what time I book them for. They are sleep deprivers! grin

nickelcognito Thu 13-Sep-12 13:44:38

thank god she's a noisy eater!

she's just managed to give me the fright of her life.
she's on my lap eating an apple, must have taken a hard bit, and suddenly she's not making an eating noise, but a half-strangled trying to cough noise.

I immediately grabbed her, threw her upside down and whacked her back three times. then she started coughing!

It amazes me how calm I was actually - i can feel my pulse racing!
I'm a firm believer that everybody should have basic first aid training smile

CuriosityCola Thu 13-Sep-12 15:28:20

Omg Nickel, glad she is ok. Think you deserve a nice cup of tea after that shock.

CuriosityCola Fri 14-Sep-12 05:50:48

Ds isn't sleeping past half 4 / 5am. I need to sleep. How can a child of mine think that sleep is for wimps. <weeps>

nickelcognito Fri 14-Sep-12 10:54:06


DD doesn't go to bed until we do... wink

she was still asleep this morning when I had to force her to wake (1/4 past 9)

CuriosityCola Fri 14-Sep-12 18:54:58

I'm not jealous of your lie in, nope, not one bit! grin

Had a great day with ds at the museum today. He was toddling all over the place, very cute smile

Got my mil visiting me tomorrow, despite saying no and dh being away <surveys mess> Really need to try and meet away from the house.

FeijoaVodkaPlease Tue 18-Sep-12 22:06:42

How is everyone this week?

We're going away for the weekend and I'm getting that feeling that A is going to cut another tooth while we are away. SIGH!

nickeldaisical Wed 19-Sep-12 11:12:49

DD managed to pick up a cold on our weekend away.
and now i've got it.

I still have to be at work, so we're both here, she's moaning because she's poorly and I'm not coping because I'm poorly. sad

I feel tired and she won't just accept a cuddle.
when I BF her, she pulls and pummels and scratches because she can't breathe through her nose, and I haven't got the brain power or energy to cope with it.

vallinnapod Tue 25-Sep-12 19:18:28

Hi ladies, sorry, dropped off my active conversations and I lost you briefly.

Nickel I hope you are OK. I swear, there is nothing worse than trying to look after a poorly baby when you are poorly. I have had to do it twice now. In fact the first time the in laws relieved me one afternoon as I felt so hideous I couldn't bear to be touched, DS wailed when left/picked up and I thought neither of us would survive the day.

FVP hope the tooth appeared with no pain (is there such a thing now??). I was so smug with DS's first 8 teeth as he was fine. He has now been teething his molars for over two months. We have definitely molar shapes under the gums now but nothing cut though. Vile nappies, snotty nose, drool, temperature and general unhappiness continues sad

In fact he was meant to have his next immunisations yesterday but couldn't as had a temp of 37.6 sad I had completely psyched myself up for them! Back on Friday fingers crossed. Although nursery called today to give him Calpol as he had a temp there and has had one just before I put him to bed. Cold arms/legs and goose bumps in the bath but a warm head sad

Lots of blue faces here!

He has also been having night terrors, we think. Hideous crying that cannot be comforted. We pick him up and it makes no difference. I try and cuddle him and he scratches, bites and pulls away. I then put him back down (normally after an hour) and he goes back to sleep immediately, albeit whimpering. It's horrible.

vallinnapod Fri 28-Sep-12 20:42:45

Hey Virioids,

Horrid day here. My last day of mat leave...had a Mama/DS day of fun planned. He has an ear infection but has been fine from about 5 mins after he got antibiotics.

He woke up after his nap with a raging temp, vomited the small amount of brekkie he had had. I washed him and put him back down. Woke up and vommed up the calpol I gave him. Was floppy and unresponsive. Was really close to heading to A&E when he started to perk up a little. Spent the day asleep on my chest like a newborn. Woke up about 4 seeming a little better. I sat him down and he ate a whole round of sarnie and a wheetabix with fruit shock an spent the rest of the day as if nothing had happened. Bizarre.

On a completely separate note, any tips for a good winter hat/mittens for DS? He hates hats and I imagine trying to keep his hands warm will be equally impossible. I will inevitably just give up eventually but feel I need to make an effort to begin with.

nickeldaisical Sat 29-Sep-12 12:27:39

She's okay now, thanks val - i'm still a bit meh, but better than i was.

nickeldaisical Sat 29-Sep-12 12:36:55

i think it had dropped of my actives too.

sorry to hear about teething pains - DD will be having molars next - i just don't understand how they cut through because they're so big! shock
fingers crossed ours won't be for a while yet

sorry to hear you've finished maternity leave, too sad
and for him to be poorly makes it worse, doesn't it! like he really needs you but you can't be there sad

FeijoaVodkaPlease Sat 29-Sep-12 20:22:09

Sorry to hear about poorly babies. Hope they are all back to normal quickly x

DD kindly cut her tooth a few days before we went away so we only had to worry about crap accommodation and flooded train tracks. Besides that I had a great weekend. It was amazing being in a big proper city again. Made my brain feel alive. That said, it was nice to come home again too grin. I even met MN ladies! (from my due in antenatal group, sadly it was to far for TTL to come).

Molars cut through front edge the back edge if I remember correctly. They are an utter utter nightmare sad

Hope everyone has a lovely weekend xx

CuriosityCola Tue 02-Oct-12 22:12:01

Val, hope being back it work is going ok?

I have ordered a hat from a little baby boutique in Corstorphine (sold out). There is a little old lady that knits them from a 1950's pattern for about £15. Quite expensive, but the knit was beautiful and the only hat ds never managed to pull off last winter. Plus the knit has some stretch so will last ages. I have also seen some that had an under the chin strap, but can't remember where. Hopefully will come back to me. My next purchase for ds is a waterproof all in one suit. If its not raining we are going to the park regardless grin. Sick of being stuck indoors or worrying his trousers will get ruined on wet grass.

Fvp, that is great that you met up with everyone. Had you met before? Were people how you imagined them to be? <intrigued>

Eskarina Sat 06-Oct-12 13:08:59

Hi all, sorry for being out of touch for such a long time. Work is a little all-consuming, even doing (supposed) half days. But it's going well, DD loves her childminder (screamed every morning til I left for the first week and we haven't looked back since)
We're all doing well, moving house soon which is half exciting, half terrifying - I can't keep the house tidy never mind get my head around packing everything we own up.
DD is definitely a walker now, very definitely, to the point of trying to refuse to go in the buggy. She goes completely rigid and I have to put the seat in the lie-flat position to get her in then sit her up again later, then she shouts until I let her out. Of course for DH or the CM she sits in meekly and looks about calmly.
I'm also in search of a puddle-jumper type suit for DD. We've been given any number of pristine hand-me-down pretty pink coats but nothing practical like that. I suspect this reveals which is actually useful! She has some adorable wellies which look like ladybirds. I've also had to put her in proper PJ's rather than babygros at night - her body is too long and legs too short to go in sleepsuits.

Anyway, supposed to be working but completing a classes' worth of assessment sheets is soooo boring!

FeijoaVodkaPlease Sun 07-Oct-12 15:21:37

I wish you had asked about puddle jumper suits (great term!) a few days back Esk as Hippychick had a 48 hours sale and I managed to get DD a suit and DS waterproof trousers (after they both fell in large puddles at the park within 30 seconds of each other). Good luck with the house move.

CC most of my Due in June ('11) antenatal group absconded to a secret fb group just after all our babies were born, so I've seen plenty of pics and know everyone's real names, so it wasn't to weird or scary. The girls I met were all lovely (as I imagine all you the viroids are).

How are you and DD now Nickel?

CuriosityCola Sun 07-Oct-12 19:48:24

Esk, where did you get the wellies? I am struggling to find wellies in ds size. I want little froggies grin

Ended up shelling out £25 for a puddle jumper suit from trespass (no fleece lining). Mothercare has already had them in, had a sale (£12.50) and now doesn't have his size. Think there was lots of girls ones, but not on sale hmm. I have also just been told that matalan would have been a good place to get them.

It was worn to the beach today with success, so I am happy grin

FVP, I'm quite envious as I never kept up with the August thread. Did you Esk?

Nickel, was it your dd who ate a screw? Hope she is ok?

FeijoaVodkaPlease Sun 07-Oct-12 22:39:40

How did I miss a screw being eaten?!

CC TTL is also on the June group and I can confirm she is stunning and her DD is super cute. Great day for the beach by the way! I wish we lived closer to the beach.

FeijoaVodkaPlease Sun 07-Oct-12 22:48:31

How did I miss a screw being eaten?!

CC TTL is also on the June group and I can confirm she is stunning and her DD is super cute. Great day for the beach by the way! I wish we lived closer to the beach.

FeijoaVodkaPlease Sun 07-Oct-12 22:48:57

Doh and now I've double posted.

CuriosityCola Mon 08-Oct-12 10:45:43

Fvp, we were just at Crammond, but it was lovely. Ds was entranced by the airplanes...very cute!

I started to read a thread about a baby eating a screw. Realised the op had a similar name to nickel. Then ds pressed button on my phone and I lost the thread. Wasn't able to find it again.

Nickel come speak to us! grin

Was just checking out the jsing and grads threads. Super busy. Think there will be an influx of new babies in the new year. No sign of nervous nelly or Josie though?

<whisper> my period is two days late

<adds GU puddings to shopping list wink>

nickeldaisical Mon 08-Oct-12 15:49:39

she didn't eat the screw! grin

it was found in her nappy.
have a feeling that she wriggled over it whilst playing.
i'm 99% certain it didn't "pass through" grin

sorry i've been AWOL - DD seems to be on my typing arm all the bloody time! and it's so hard to work out what's important when i can't feel one arm ...wink

nickeldaisical Mon 08-Oct-12 15:50:10

and MN going offline when i've just written a post doesn't help hmm

(thank god for back button and c+p)

FeijoaVodkaPlease Mon 08-Oct-12 18:51:50

Ohh Gu, how exciting!!

I LOVE Crammond. I spent several months living in a backpackers hostel on the shore front down there. We keep meaning to come out and explore the island, but never quite get around to it when the tide is right.

It's amazing what you can find in a baby's nappy grin (or in a breast feeding bra for that matter hmm).

I'm not sure about Nelly, but I think Josie bowed out of the JSing thread as going natural wasn't working and neither was getting help.

CuriosityColaKilledTheCat Wed 10-Oct-12 20:29:01

Sorry Nickel, I'm just making up gossip from half reading your thread! Some people had their knickers in a right twist didn't they.

Still not poas. I am having a panic about maybe being pregnant and the subsequent sickness and lack of sleep. So I have decided denial is the best solution for a couple of days. <counts and taps foot impatiently waiting on period arriving> Shit, I'm 5 days late!

nickeldaisical Thu 11-Oct-12 11:47:40

yes, they did, didn't they!

ooh, you're sooo pregnant! grin
ah, it's like the old days again!

CuriosityColaKilledTheCat Thu 11-Oct-12 11:51:10

Clearblue: pregnant 2-3 weeks


nickeldaisical Thu 11-Oct-12 13:14:32


congratulations and good luck grin


FeijoaVodkaPlease Thu 11-Oct-12 14:26:55

Ahhhhh <bounce bounce bounce> Congratulations! Planned or a true JSing baby? Who cares either way, CC is up the duff. gringrin

Oh sad you're going to leave us for the upduff thread now aren't you?

I'll drink that wine Nickel, CC isn't allowed any <cruel> <proffers glass of yummy mocktail for CC instead>

nickeldaisical Thu 11-Oct-12 14:51:53

she can have an MN wine


CuriosityColaKilledTheCat Thu 11-Oct-12 15:14:57

It was planned in the sense that we decided to js and see what happens, if that makes sense?

I keep swaying between outright fear at having two children and then being excited about reusing my Moses basket etc grin

I will take your virtual mocktails and wine. I don't know why I'm in such shock. I know that jsing can lead to pregnancy. I guess I thought it might take longer....eek!

I don't know anyone on the jsing grads. Do none of you fancy joining me? wink Haven't heard from Frak for ages, she went to fly her cape didn't she?

<continues to ramble and freak outgrin>

FeijoaVodkaPlease Thu 11-Oct-12 16:38:56

I'm staying right here sorry. Okay, she can have the wine, at least she has a good excuse if she throws it all back up again grin

FeijoaVodkaPlease Thu 11-Oct-12 18:40:01

Do you still use your ergo CC? I don't know if this would interest you or not, but lots of babies in slings has got to be a good thing.

CuriosityColaKilledTheCat Thu 11-Oct-12 19:35:24

Thank FVP. That looks good. I love a nice wander round the botanics. Are you thinking of attending?

Dh is home and happy, but shocked. We are like a pair of teenagers grin

vallinnapod Thu 11-Oct-12 22:39:07


I'm trying to join you! Back to the baby factory next month so I am hoping my little chiller dudes will go back in Jan at the latest. Fingers, toes and legs crossed wink

Do you all find random things in the washing machine too? Got nearly a whole pack of raisins out...

Back at work full time (4 days) now. Miss DS more than I thought possible. He is loving nursery. Typical boy though and I have to fill in an accident form at least once a week. Today I got a call to say he had been bitten shock it was a tussle over a book and the other child sank their fangs in. Apparently he didn't even cry. I was oddly fine with it all. Only a matter of time before I get the call to say he is the biter rather than bitee I assume!

Lots of love to all xxx

CuriosityColaKilledTheCat Fri 12-Oct-12 12:12:18

Thanks Val smile. Will hopefully have you as a pregnancy buddy in no time.

I went to the docs this morning and I'm waiting on a call from the EPU. Think I will be booked in for an early scan to make sure it's not ectopic. Everything seems ok so far though. I'm only 4weeks 6 days, so it's still very early anyway smile

I'm going to have two children under two...<must stop periodically freaking out!> grin

Not found anything strange in washing machine, but it does eat ds's socks. I can never find a matching pair.

Just realised I left his shoes and my scarf at rhyme time yesterday. <numpty>

nickeldaisical Fri 12-Oct-12 13:02:07

you need one of those zip-up laundry bags.
we are a lazy household. every time we take a pair of |DD's socks off it goes into the basket into the zip-up laundry bag. never lose them that way.

Eskarina Fri 12-Oct-12 13:06:42


Congrats CC xxx

If DH had his way we'd be js too, but I've just started a rather stressful new job so not sure the time is right for me. though the thought of getting out of being at work for a year is appealing long term it would make sense to get on with it but I'm not sure I could do it short term.

How are you finding work Val? I am actually enjoying being at work, and dd loves her childminder. It's supposed to be just mornings, but I've done so much extra (and most of that unpaid sad ) that it's been almost full time so far.

Other news is we're moving house. Oh, and DH is changing jobs. Not sure I can take any more changes at the mo!


vallinnapod Fri 12-Oct-12 15:34:34

CC I have done the maths - you only need to freak for two months with the two-under-two thing wink

Esk I am really enjoying work, when I am there. I find leaving the house really hard as I leave before DH takes DS to nursery. Yesterday I had to shut the front door in his face and just heard the wailing start sad. Also find the commute in hard and the one home I reckon I could run quicker as I miss him so much. Just too much time on my hands to think about him at those moments. DS loves nursery which makes it infinitely easier.

Of course you then get days like today....only my second week back, I am meant to be working from home but DS has been up since 2:45am vomming. Had some interesting nappies too so no nursery. I am trying to work but it is nearly impossible so I guess I have a fun Friday night ahead confused

FeijoaVodkaPlease Fri 12-Oct-12 18:19:03

CC all being well I'm hoping to get to the sling meet with DD and our pink elephants.

FeijoaVodkaPlease Fri 12-Oct-12 18:20:13

sad Val, Hope DS is feeling better in the morning.

vallinnapod Fri 12-Oct-12 21:22:24

Had another huge spew before bedtime sad Possibly my fault for allowing him to snaffle a huge bowl of pasta and pesto. He was perfectly happy before his milk (and toothbrush). Poor bub. Went straight to sleep.

Enjoy the sling meet FVP!

vallinnapod Fri 12-Oct-12 22:40:54

My poorly bub gave us his first few steps today grin He was completely unaware, let go of the side of the bath and then collapsed to a crawl when he hit the landing carpet grin

DH and I were both there and gave each other a 'did he just...?!' grin


Eskarina Sat 13-Oct-12 07:57:04

Aw, poor DS val. hope he's better this morning. Well done him on his first steps! I reckon it'll be watching all the other babies at nursery, dd took off after a week of being at the childminders and watching the other little mindee who is a few months older and getting annoyed she couldn't keep up just by crawling. Apparently she is very possessive of the little dolls buggy and stalks the poor lad until he gives it up, then swoops in and takes it as soon as he lets go. I'm just waiting for the day when I'm summoned in on pick up to be told she's walloped him one to make him let go!

CuriosityColaKilledTheCat Sun 14-Oct-12 15:00:05

Congrats on the first steps Val. Our little babies are getting very grown up.

Hope you had a nice time today FVP and avoided the rain. I'm having a pj day as I feel shattered. Ds is waking hourly with his teeth and being a nightmare to settle.

Got an early scan booked with EPU for 26th Oct to check little one is on right place. Really nervous, but think chances of another ectopic are small.

Joined the jsing grads. There are loads of them. I think our thread will be very busy next year!

<resists impulse to start googling double buggies and new slings!>

Eskarina Sun 14-Oct-12 19:00:04

Sorry I missed that you needed to go to the epu cc. Hope everything is ok.

blush I've been keeping up with double buggies and the like since before dd was born for a while now. Just so I'm prepared when it does happen you see blush.

vallinnapod Sun 14-Oct-12 19:29:56

Fingers crossed CC. Is it because of a prior ectopic (embarrassingly I can't remember much from the JSing thread...)

I am very, very broody now! Oh and I google buggies, double and otherwise, on a regular basis. Would never, ever trade my Vista though if I were to have babies far enough apart not to need a double. I do regret my Maclaren decision, I wish I have got a baby jogger city mini. In fact, that, or a mountain buggy duet is my double of choice at the moment. (I've done a lot of research!) blush

Oh and just sold my Ergo on eBay as I fancied a different colour so now have to pay the £40 difference blush

fraktion Sun 14-Oct-12 19:44:44

Hi all!!!

So much to actually catch up on but yay cc! I'm tentatively hoping (as in ERTD is 3 days overdue going by when I think I OVd) to join you there very soon.

Must keep up more - the grand move buggered everything.

vallinnapod Sun 14-Oct-12 21:59:09


So good to hear from you. Do update us when you have 30 seconds (not that that happens these days!)

Fingers crossed for a BFP. envy in a nice way for you guys grin

CuriosityColaKilledTheCat Mon 15-Oct-12 08:36:06

Fingers crossed for a bfp Frak. Look forward to hearing from you properly soon! smile

My scan is due to previous ectopic, but it's unlikely to happen again (stats wise). My right tube is just a bit of a mess after really bad appendicitis a few years ago.

I have been having the strangest dreams. In fact, I think they are my strongest symptom to date. Dreamt last night that I was doing the highest parachute jump. However, I had to hang around in space with no gravity to get the crowd going first. Dh was there as a cheerleader doing aerobics?!!! Wtf???!grin

Loving that you guys have done lots of research on the buggies already. I'm hoping to reuse my ergo, possibly with new (not needed) insert. What colour ergo have you bought Val? Still fancy a double buggy though. What are your top recommendations? I would like one with a carrycot attachment or cocoon thingy. <adds research to list of things to do>

Anyway, surprisingly good mood here despite teething causing ds hourly wake ups. Having problems at the moment with his naps as he isn't convinced about whether he needs one or two. How is everyone else's little ones doing?

vallinnapod Mon 15-Oct-12 09:42:54

Fab dream!!

Gone for a galaxy grey Ergo. I inherited a camel coloured one from a friend for DH so I am trying to convince myself that I am only spending £40 on it (even though I am clearly kidding myself as I told DH the difference was £20 blush) I am looking forward to the Moby wrap days again...love those on the chest cuddles all the time grin

That said, poor DS had another spew last night. So unlike him, especially as I thought he was getting better. He had spewed on Saturday but that is because DH was feeding him a Cornetto hmm. I had the bug on Saturday night so I can truly sympathise with the little bub. It was hideous.

We are having a similar nap issue these days. I am very lucky in that most days DS will have 2.5 ish hours in the morning, but this is normally around 9:30. SO he does need something else in the arvo but I often can't get him down again. I'll often leave him in his cot for an hour just chatting to himself as I think just relaxing in the dark may be slightly beneficial totally kidding myself I've tried getting him to go down later in the morning but he is literally falling over or lying on the floor hugging his teddy! It's all changing with nursery though, he tends to have only 1.5 hours there around midday. I think they walk them up after that time...I need to check. To be honest he is such a nosey bugger they find it really hard to get him down as he just wants to see what everyone else it doing!

OK buggies wink. I am not a big fan of tandems...I hate the idea of one of the babies sort of shoved in with the shopping. I like the baby jogger citi mini double or mountain buggy duet as you can put a carrycot on both. They both fit through doorways too, apparently. I love parent facing and never have DS forward facing (except in the Maclaren which we use for nursery - and these are the days I want to chat to him most!) so not looking forward to that. I was also thinking. DS will be in nursery at least two days still so I was thinking of slinging and pushing or when DS is in nursery using the Vista still.

See.....way too much thought for someone not even having a period, let alone a baby blush

vallinnapod Mon 15-Oct-12 09:43:25

Hahahaha, the Ergo was for DS, clearly....!!

CuriosityColaKilledTheCat Mon 15-Oct-12 10:03:38

Ah, this is the same problem we were having. I shortened the morning one by taking him for a walk in the buggy (only tends to nap for 30 mins). Then was trying to encourage a longer afternoon nap, but he would only have another 30 mins and want his bed at half 5. Very annoying.

Will check out those buggies. I think I have seen and admired the first one. I like parent facing seats too. Though ds is happier facing out. smile

fraktion Mon 15-Oct-12 11:00:34

I am hoping we won't need a double. Although I do have a silver cross carriage pram I can put a toddler seat on!

I love our city mini single though, so a double might not be bad and we already have the carrycot.

CuriosityColaKilledTheCat Mon 15-Oct-12 15:34:38

I'm loving the look and style of both of these. I might need something sturdier to cope with Edinburgh pavements though. Does the city mini have any suspension Frak? My oyster is a dream at the shopping centre and for getting on buses. It was really bumpy for a newborn in the carrycot and tipped easily.

CuriosityColaKilledTheCat Mon 15-Oct-12 19:40:45

Both the jsing grads and the June bus are creating Facebook groups. To join or not to join. What are the chances of me knowing someone?! grin

fraktion Mon 15-Oct-12 19:54:07

That wigs me out a bit. April 2011 have a group but only after thy were all born and we'd been chatting for nearly a year.

I wouldn't do it with random strangers, but then if you don't and everyone else does it's a bit isolating.

vallinnapod Mon 15-Oct-12 20:33:41

I'd do FB with you guys (no sort of hint there!) but as Frak said, only as we have chatted for so long - and continue to do so. There is something to be said for complete anonymity and the ability to post totally honestly.

So turns out DS has had a roto virus - noro like, the side effect of which can be lactose intolerance. This was something the doc mentioned before I fessed up to the cornetto incident...The amusing outcome of this meeting was her opinion that diaoralyte was vile and we should give him crushed up ice lolly! DS then proceeded to eat pretty much a whole (uncrushed) Calippo. We are off dairy for the week. For a baby that eats cheese, cheese, cheese, cereal, cheese, yoghurt and cheese this is a big deal confused. I am just glad he is at nursery or he may be living off toast!

CuriosityColaKilledTheCat Mon 15-Oct-12 22:33:03

Hee hee, dh went to let ds try a calippo in the summer. He managed to lock onto it and drink all the juice from it and take a massive bite...with no teeth. I thought it was hilarious. Dh was not impressed as the melted part is the best bit supposedly.

Sorry your son has been so poorly. It's horrible seeing them poorly. Hope he manages the cheese ration without complaining to you too much this week.

My ds hates cheese in any shape or form. He apparently hates sleep again tonight too. If I hadn't given birth to him and had him handed straight to me I would question us being related. grin

CuriosityColaKilledTheCat Tue 16-Oct-12 00:14:24

Ds went to bed at 7pm. Woke up at half nine and still isn't sleeping. Doesn't want to sleep in cot or co-sleep. Dh and I would take either option. He just wants to stare into space while being rocked and screams if he is taken near his cot sad.

vallinnapod Tue 16-Oct-12 09:30:22

Oh CC...DS no longer tolerates co-sleeping, except these past few nights when he has been so poorly he has slept on my chest. I have to blush as it has been rather nice blushblush.

Maybe teeth? I cannot believe the prolonged agony DS's molars are causing me him. He must have been teething them for 3 months now. They are very obviously bulging under his gums but still no sign of breaking through.

CuriosityColaKilledTheCat Tue 16-Oct-12 10:22:51

I think it must be his teeth. It's like the 4 month sleep regression all over again, but I don't think there is one due around now?

How is your little one today Val? Don't be blush. I love a sleepy baby cuddle. smile

nickeldaisical Tue 16-Oct-12 13:35:03

we're not eating dairy, either.
well, we've cut out cow's...

CuriosityColaKilledTheCat Tue 16-Oct-12 14:38:22

Were you having problems with it Nickel?

After all the fuss in the media: I used to have the tv on the house while ds was playing. He was never bothered by it so I liked sneakily watching the odd programme in the back ground. In the last week he has just decided it's amazing and goes in a little daze if its on. Might have to invest in a radio as I don't like silence. sad

Currently have a pork shoulder slow cooking in the oven. Hoping it turns out like American restaurant style pulled pork. Yum!

Ds has spent most of the day walking around in his (bottomless) pop up tent. I do worry about him sometimes.

The weather here is rubbish...can you tell I'm bored?! grin

P.s. esk are you jsing?

Eskarina Tue 16-Oct-12 16:04:47

Hm, well I suppose we are. DH certainly wants to recreate the frequency that was ttc last time get going. I'm still undecided, though as we haven't used contraception this month and I seem to have ovvd early it may be too late to go back on that decision. The only thing stopping me is work - I'm 6 weeks into a new job (though would keep mat pay as is with same council) and it seems mean to only do a year and bugger off again.
Dh's point is that it'll be better in the long term because we're only having two so it gets it over and done with quicker!

CuriosityColaKilledTheCat Tue 16-Oct-12 16:14:51

When will you be due to piar? My dh is feeling a bit cheated as it happened so quickly grin

FeijoaVodkaSpiritsnGhosts Tue 16-Oct-12 16:37:08

It's very very hard to read with a pair of bouncy children on my knee. So apologies for skipping all the double buggy talk.

Lovely to see you back Frak grin. Fingers crossed for a BFP for you (because we need another Labour Off gringrin). How did Le Grand move go? are you all settled in now?

I did make it to she sling meet CC and they are a lovely bunch of ladies and babies. I did raise a laugh when I said I had tried to get a friend to come along, but I don't know her real name. blushgrin Can't blame you for having a pj day. teething is pants and the weather was rotten until mid afternoon.

My Due in June group has a fb group. We didnt start it til after the babies were born and we'd all been talking for ages. It was a bit weird at first, but now we are all good friends and it's so nice seeing pics of all the cutie little babies (only they aren't little babies anymore shock!). I struggle to remember their MN names now too.

nickeldaisical Tue 16-Oct-12 16:54:05

CC - dunno, but we were trying to work out if it made her eczema worse.

CuriosityColaKilledTheCat Tue 16-Oct-12 18:33:27

Nickel where is your Halloween name?

How is your daughter? Is her skin still bothering her a lot? <realises I have been too self absorbed to ask questions lately blush>

Fvp - glad you had a good time. Was there a good turn out?

Ds finally slept for an hour in his cot last night before deciding he did want to sleep like a star between dh and I. We are shattered, he doesn't seem bothered by the lack of sleep.

That reminds me. Have you all seen the thread in sleep? Someone has invented the term Baby Led Sleeping. Cheered me up no end grin

Eskarina Tue 16-Oct-12 18:57:39

Not for ages, I'm only on about day 12 but js on Friday and have had loads of pant snot ever since so now am convinced that I've ov'd...
Still, I don't know that I'm ready for another yet

CuriosityColaKilledTheCat Wed 17-Oct-12 09:23:05

I won't go throwing baby dust at you just yet then....I could hardly even bring myself to type that. grin

I have to say, dh and I discussed (night before pg test) if bfn this month, then we would leave a large gap before trying again. Probably when ds was 3 or 4.

Ds slept from 7pm until 5am this morning. Pulled him in with me and he then slept until 7am!!!! Amazing gringringringrin

nickeldaisical Wed 17-Oct-12 12:03:23

Baby Led Sleeping grin
we do that!

CC haven't even thought of a hallowe'en name.
RL is stressing enough because madam takes all my time!
I have been trying to plan my window for about a month!

Eskarina Wed 17-Oct-12 16:22:19

Do you mind me asking why that is cc? I like the idea of a 2-ish year gap and would be keen for dc2 were it not for the new job. Am coming round to the idea. If it's not now we'll be aiming for march 2014 onwards for a 2.5 year gap. We're only having 2 and I think keeping them close together will mean I can focus on being mummy whilst they're small but then get back to work more as they get older - at least with being a teacher I'll always be around in the holidays.

Nickel how's dd's sleep nowadays? Hope you get some calm and some headspace to do what you need to do sometime soon.

nickeldaisical Wed 17-Oct-12 16:43:20

i think the sleep's getting better- not saying so in case i jinx it!

we went to bed last night at 10ish and she was proper awake (normally she's starting to cry tired/rub etc from 9 ish).
she did get straight onto the boob when I got her into bed, though, so that's good.
but then she was awake from 5 ish when DH got up to 7ish (i had to put the telly on for me!)

vallinnapod Wed 17-Oct-12 22:06:42

<whispers> glad the sleep is improving a bit nickel

Our night terrors are back sad had one last night and just had another. Poor little thing.

Esk I know you we're asking CC but if I knew I could get pregnant relatively easily I would wait at least another year. For me it is because DS seems only a baby himself I don't want to have to share myself with anyone else other than him blush I feel when he is a little older he will just need me a bit less. That said he is making me sad at the moment as Daddy is the only one he wants sad

Also seriously considering going down to 3 days at work. Really loving my new job but just heartbreaking not being with DS. Am going to try and make it to Christmas and then see but would have to give 8 weeks notice at nursery after the decision too. You really can't have it all.

Dynababy Thu 18-Oct-12 07:35:12

Hi all... I haven't been on here in like...... Forever... Not sure if I posted much after DS's birth story!!! Life got very hectic as DS allergic to ALOT of food including milk which he was getting via my breast milk as I was eating dairy.. Took a long time to figure out why he wasn't sleeping (pain) and was vomiting and not gaining properly... Now dairy and wheat free (and lots of other random food free) and he is happy healthy 14 month old.. Just took a lot of time and energy to get there! Plus back at work from when he was 6 months as like an idiot I agreed that before he was here! Glad to see everyone so well and sorry for crashing in! Hoping some of you remember me from JS'ing and grads threads! Ps just got a surprise BFP!!!!

CuriosityColaKilledTheCat Thu 18-Oct-12 08:28:49

Of course I remember you! I think my name still might have been baby2b when you were last here?

Congratulations on your bfp. What is your due date? Mine is 16th June '13.

Sorry to hear you and your little one have had such a hard time with allergies. It's difficult enough in the first few months without more worry.

Esk I wanted a reasonable gap so ds was at nursery (3 years old). I have heard it makes the change easier for them. However, I have two friends who tried to 'time' their second child. One took a year and half to get her bfp. My other friend is still waiting after 2 years and 3 miscarriages. It made me think that the time might not be right, but if I wait I don't know how long it will be when I do try. Hindsight: not very long winkgrin

Actually quite worried about telling second friend. Not sure how to bring it up. I know she will be ok with me eventually, but I don't think she will appreciate hearing about an easy bfp.

CuriosityColaKilledTheCat Thu 18-Oct-12 08:30:36

Val do you think your work would allow 3 days a week? What do you do again?

CuriosityColaKilledTheCat Thu 18-Oct-12 09:37:48

P.s. have any of you checked out the bargain Christmas thread?

They are sharing offers like these:


Starting to get little stocking fillers for ds.

nickeldaisical Thu 18-Oct-12 15:39:30

I know what you mean vall - it makes me feel quite smug when DD is so tired she can't sleep without my milk, even though when she's whingeing after it i feel all hmm

Dyna ! grin lovely to see you! have you been away from MN totally then? i thought i'd seen you around confused

poor DS. i'm avoiding cow's at the moment in case it makes DD's eczema worse and it's a nightmare. are you on formula or still BFing?
14 months! wow. that's really old! grin
and a BFP too!

I've got loads of toys in the shop for christmas (have got some to upload to facebook...)

Dynababy Thu 18-Oct-12 22:15:13

Glad I'm remembered and sorry for lack of mn'ing!! Yes ccktc you were baby2b!! Long time absent. Congrats on your pregnancy no 2! Mine also earlier than expected literally 1 time and the deed was done shock Not sure how we'll cope with no 2 so quickly but hey we will cos we have to! Due date unsure making official with doc next week but early july by my reckoning. Nickel I have not been on mn at all whenever I thought about it something came up.. Sometimes literally! smile I was dairy free for 9 months and ds bf until 12 months because of his allergy.. Difficult when working! Felt like a dairy cow expressing at work.. Ds can only have hypoallergenic amino acid formula and it was so rank he wouldn't touch it!! Also wouldn't take bottle .. So bm in cup when I wasn't there only option. Now he's over 1 it's a bit easier he now has a better tasting hypoallergenic formula available to him ( post 12 mth only stuff) and will take that mixed with oat milk! If you need any dairy free tips pm me as I have learned ALOT about what's good and not and what has milk and not etc!

CuriosityColaKilledTheCat Fri 19-Oct-12 16:17:55

I have barely been able to keep my eyes open today. dynababy have you got any symptoms yet? I wish I had kept my pregnancy diary now. I hated being pregnant so much I couldn't even look at the diary blush

Trying to eat all the things I love incase I do get bad sickness again. What would be on everyone's list of yummy food to eat during early pregnancy?

Dynababy Fri 19-Oct-12 19:58:18

Yes I've had symptoms from about 2 days past ovulation! Bloated tummy, then few days later cramping back pain etc.. Now heartburn which was my 1st symptom with ds. I just knew I was preg so early on dh thought I was imagining it but no! What are your symptoms ccktc? Yummy food in early pregnancy .... My toe is currently going to anything cheesy (although that might just be me after being dairy free so long) .... And er chocolate blush

FeijoaVodkaSpiritsnGhosts Sat 20-Oct-12 10:29:48

DYNA! Welcome back grin I remember you (I was confessionsofanachingfanjo) I'm sorry to hear you had so much trouble with DS. I wonder if you have come across this lady? One of my friends has a daughter with food allergies and posted this link on fb recently. Otherwise, a massive CONGRATULATIONS of the bfp gringringrin No more babies for me, so I have to live vicariously through everyone else wink

Poor DD has had a high temp for 3 nights/2 days now. She has been awake from midnight til gone 2 the last 3 nights, feeding and thrashing around. Calpol and ibuprofen don't do anything sad She's very cheerful and bouncy though, even when she looks like a tiny zombie. It's a PITA as it's half term but I can't take DS anywhere fun. And to make it worse my phone crashed and died last night so I couldn't internet and fb while DD thrashed about. Argh.

FeijoaVodkaSpiritsnGhosts Sat 20-Oct-12 11:04:24

~Val DS may not be acting like he likes you right now, but believe me he does. I went through this with my DS and I felt absolutely pants, thinking he hated me and I was the worst Mummy going. But really he did love me he was just getting to know DH better after being reliant on me for so much in that first year. We have a good relationship now and he tells me often that he loves me (or that I'm rubbish, if he's in trouble).

nickeldaisical Sat 20-Oct-12 12:02:52

Fej - maybe she doesn't realize that hallowe'en costumes are fake.

poor thing sad
hope she feels better soon.

FeijoaVodkaSpiritsnGhosts Sat 20-Oct-12 13:36:06

Took me a second to get that. Haha, yes she would look right at home menacing a zombie escape plan thread grin vacant stare from puffy, glazed eyes, peering out of a pasty pale face, tripping over her own feet in a lurching manner, hunting down a boob to munch on.

How's the cow dairy free going?

nickeldaisical Sat 20-Oct-12 13:40:50

it's up and down.
not sure it's helping.

if she'd stop scratching,it'd be fine! grinhmm

CuriosityColaKilledTheCat Sat 20-Oct-12 20:19:05

Val my ds only wants dh when he is around. He cries by the front door when he leaves in the morning for work sad. Dh had the joy of being the 'real' favourite for a week (wanted when crying, tired etc). Then it reverted back to me for tears and tantrums and dh was really disappointed.

Dyna my only symptoms have been extreme tiredness and not being able to stop eating.

Does anyone know if I can eat halloumi? I think I found this out the first time round and not remembering means I am probably wanting a different answer grin. Just remembered I have strawberry cheesecake ice-cream in the freezer...yum! <tubby tummy emoticon>

Btw, how nice was the weather today? We went to the zoo (have a pass) as I was starting to get cabin fever. Just thought we would head home if it rained. It was gorgeous. Think we were the loud parenting types though, 'that's right, it's a cassowary!'.

CuriosityColaKilledTheCat Sat 20-Oct-12 20:56:00

Meant to say, hope your dd feels better soon FVP.

Eskarina Mon 22-Oct-12 16:30:42

Cc, you've gone and got me addicted to those Christmas bargains threads! I nearly bought dd the toot toot drivers but hesitated and they shot up to £20 whilst in my basket. I'm not supposed to be buying stuff though as we're moving house - well, hopefully, our buyers have pulled out which is a pain. Sellers are being ok with it so far.

nickeldaisical Mon 22-Oct-12 16:36:34

yes, you should be able to eat halloumi, it's pasteurized.

nickeldaisical Mon 22-Oct-12 16:40:11

I'm struggling with the concept of presents grin

I keep buying stock that I think I would like to give DD, but then I can't give it all to her, because that's just excessive! And then I look at the amount of stuff that she's got behind the desk to play with, and it's just insane. But some of it is "display copy" stock, some of it is charity shop/old toys of mine/given by family, so it's not bad when you look at it like that.

But I don't want her to have "lots of plastic tat" for birthday and christmas this year. I think my little sis is getting her clothes, which is much more practical. and I've asked my big sis to get me fabric to make DD clothes etc with.

Eskarina Mon 22-Oct-12 19:14:41

Nickel I LOVE the idea of receiving fabric to make dd clothes, not that I ever get time to do it at the moment. We were also clear that we don't want mountains of plastic tat (or pink things! Can't stand the opinion that it's only for girls if it's pink!) and I found that being full of ideas of what I dd would like helped. Depends on your family though. DH's family like the simplicity of a wishlist that they can just order from (and whilst I don't like to dictate the exact item by putting it on a list on amazon it is certainly the easiest way; I'd prefer to say eg a baby doll, not pink if poss, rather than link to a specific one). Obviously I only said anything if asked specifically what dd would like!
Having said that we do have a fair amount of noisy flashing plastic things, mostly either second hand or not of my choosing, but she does absolutely love them. One favourite is a whirlee, they're a cheap, non-bleeping low-space-requirement ride on toy. Dd goes on hrs several times a day. Also just bought a (blue) dolls' buggy for her as she loves the one at the childminder's so much.

But also I didn't actually buy her anything much for her birthday. She had a little life reins backpack from eBay and a couple of outfits from us. Most of the things I buy her are from charity shops/ nct sales / other hand-me-downs; nothing wrong with that at all - good habit to get her into for later!

Eskarina Mon 22-Oct-12 19:15:34

Oh dear, for someone who has just claimed not to buy very much (well not new at least!) that was a very long post about shopping blush

nickeldaisical Mon 22-Oct-12 21:43:01

yes, I've had to specify nothing pink and fucking girly. to family i used the swearword!
I've been practising nappy making. I've made a wrap today. it looks good but quite clearly needs practice! but I'm getting there. i find making the elastic bits hardest . oh, and i really need velcro ! ( I've made a wrap with no way of fastening it...)

CuriosityColaKilledTheCat Tue 23-Oct-12 13:04:31

esk I have had to step away from the Christmas threads until pay day. Already got some good bargains smile

Was just looking at ds's existing toys. He has a lot of cars, but everything is bright and multi coloured. Very unisex. Nickel are you trying to keep things gender neutral or do you prefer boys things more? So does your dd have a tea set etc? I'm considering getting ds the £20 kitchen from tesco. They have a workbench for boys, but it's not like he ever sees anyone doing DIY to replicate imaginary play.

Feeling really nauseous the past couple of days. The smell of ds's lunch nearly made me through up. Serves myself right for being lazy and using a packet!

CuriosityColaKilledTheCat Tue 23-Oct-12 13:05:24

Another quick question Nickel. How do you get sewing done without dd 'helping'?grin

nickeldaisical Tue 23-Oct-12 14:21:23

I don't, CC grinhmm

no, seriously, I have a sewing room, that currently is full of all sorts of other crap.
anything that is not valuable is within her reach, and she "plays" with it.
it's great fun hmm
yesterday, she tipped over a load of boxes and sucked on an old milk bottle (plastic)

if she's been fed, she's okay. If she hasn't, or she's tired, I can get a certain amount done with her sitting on my lap!

nickeldaisical Tue 23-Oct-12 14:23:28

and your long list of questions - mainly gender-neutral.
the only tea sets i've seen have at lease a large amount of pink on them, but i am happy for her to have one if it isn't pink.

basically, if it's realistic and hasn't been coloured pink/lilac to appeal to girls, then I'm happy.

my family have been told that (when she's older), if that Lego "Friends --fucking pile of crap--" stuff ever gets presented to me, they will be receiving it back through their underwear.
angry (the one thing that was supposed to be sacred, and they've ruined it by "making it more accessible to girls")

CuriosityColaKilledTheCat Tue 23-Oct-12 17:19:59

I agree with the Lego thing. It has gotten out of control. I'm not very keen on these expensive sets where kids make the item once and it's 'done'. Much prefer a big box for imaginative play.

My friends little boy has a blue tea set, think that's why it came to mind. Sorry for all the questions. Was just being nosey blush

Anyway, I have a problem. Ds is 'that' child. He is having tantrums. Pulls other kids hair at any opportunity and pinches. He also bites, but that is mainly me for some reason hmm. Any suggestions? I feel like I need super nanny.

nickeldaisical Wed 24-Oct-12 11:09:48

blue teaset...

don't have any solutions to the tantrum child sorry brew

3 o'clock this morning! we were woken by DD - she'd been fidgetty and feeding on and off for an hour or so, but had decided at 3 that it was now wake-up time and that she couldn't possibly sleep any longer.
I was convinced that she'd get all mardy from tired and want to feed back to sleep.
but no.
she was awake
eventually, I gave up trying to appease her and plonked her on the floor with some toys (and the lamp on) and let her get on with it.
Thankfully, it's DH's day off today.
After nearly an hour, she decided that she was now tired, and starting to try to climb back onto the bed. which was hilarious grin because the bed's too high for her to get up.
so pulled her back into bed and fed her until she went to sleep.

and then when I got up, she started whingeing and crying and would only be pacified by me, even though DH was there, in the bed, cuddling her! hmm

FeijoaVodkaSpiritsnGhosts Thu 25-Oct-12 18:45:44

Remember the days when we just had to complain about the men in our lives being odd creatures? Now it's the babies who we can't figure out grin

DD is all better now and even slept for 11+ hours the last 2 nights!!!

CC a friend of mine has been doing a babycalm course and rates it highly. Maybe you could have a look into the as a way of dealing with DS's tantrums. Even if not a course, I'm pretty sure there is info on the web to be found.

CuriosityColaKilledTheCat Thu 25-Oct-12 18:53:31

Oh, I have an email somewhere about that fvp. When I did baby massage the woman gave us baby calm leaflets and was doing her toddler calm training. Thanks for reminding me, will definitely look into it.

Well, despite confusion about appointments dates, I made it to my scan today. 6 weeks 2 days and an amazing heartbeat. Nausea has been pretty bad and I have a huge craving for junk food. Otherwise, dh and I are really happy smile

Will find out where the tea set is from Nickel. Think it was just a cheap one.

fvp send some of those sleep vibes our way grin

FeijoaVodkaSpiritsnGhosts Thu 25-Oct-12 21:51:35

grin Yay for your scan CC!

vallinnapod Fri 26-Oct-12 11:55:54

Yay CC! So glad all is well with you and bubba#2!

I was a bit hmm over plastic tat etc. It's not something we would buy for DS and to begin with I actively dissuaded people from buying it (still do really). I would much prefer clothes or money for his savings account whilst he has no real concept of presents. However, what I am starting to appreciate is people really like buying and gifting. If that's what they want (despite my guidance) then so be it. Having had countless trips to hospital with DS we plan to donate his toys when he is done.

One thing I cannot wait to get him (trying to hold off until birthday #2!) is a play kitchen. He loved the one at the hospital and the soft play place we go!

Other than that we are quite 'boy-like' lots of cars but his walker, trike and stuff are multi-coloured. I am sure if we have a girl we will end up with pink and dolls but none of that bothers me. I am a firm believer that kids make up their own minds (hence DS's fave toys being chocolate box inserts and pringles lids!)

I love lego too grin. We have a big bag of Mega blocks on the christmas wish list!

Sorry to hear about the tantrums. Thankfully not there yet. He gets weepy/angry when he is tired.

Things are settling down here. DS has had various bugs/teething on top of all the change around me going back to work, he is much happier and settled now I think.

In our most recent hospital trip we have been told he needs to wear his glasses so good luck us hmm

Also, went back to the baby factory this week. The plan is to have the two frozen ones put back early jan. Involves me going back on the pill (to clear out my lining) then oestrogen tablets. No needles and the drugs seem much cheaper. I could have them put back sooner, but being the control freak I am and with poor DS on a 31 August birthday I thought if I ended up with twins, delivered at 37 weeks, it would still mean September birthdays for them.

CuriosityColaKilledTheCat Fri 26-Oct-12 18:32:24

Thank you! The nausea is getting worse, but I know it isn't forever and it will be worth it.

Val I forgot you had the chance of twins. Very exciting. I like your thinking on the January implant date. I don't have to worry about the August cut off dates in Scotland, but didn't half get some lectures about poor ds before we moved <rolls eyes emoticon>.

That's a lovely idea about donating toys to the hospital.

I have seen a handful of little boys (no girls strangely) with glasses on up here. I think you can get a little head strap to keep them on. My ex boyfriends nephew didn't have an eye condition diagnosed until he was over 2. They realised the poor wee thing had never been able to see well and people's faces were a real blur at a distance. His mum just thought he was shy. Anyway, I know he was older, but the novelty of being able to see clearly meant he loved wearing them.

I hope everyone has a lovely weekend.

P.s. FVP and Dyna did either of you get snow today?! My friend to the west of Edinburgh had some. It was freezing here grin

FeijoaVodkaSpiritsnGhosts Fri 26-Oct-12 18:56:03

I had snow! I cannot believe it! (I shouldn't be though, it's not like we had a Summer, just a few warm days here and there as spring drifted into Autumn). It was only a flurry, over in 15 or so minutes, but we may have more over night.

We have a minimum of plastic tat, preferring wooden tat. We have plenty of cars etc for DS because he likes those toys. He is just a very boyish boy. But that said I'm slowly making him a mei tei carrier for his soft toys and he loves being read to and his best friend is a girl. DD has some very girly toys, though I try to avoid the whole it's for a girl it must be pink, thing. Again we take her cues from this. She loves bags, we bought her a hand bag (hasn't kept her out of mine though angry), she loves cars, she's inherited a pile of cars DS no longer plays with (well he didn't until they were moved into DD's toy box). MIL once asked me, what if she just want's pink when she gets older? I said something to the effect of 'fine, if that's what she chooses, but at least it won't have been forced on her' (please please please let my girly girly, like other girly colours, like yellow etc).

Megabloks are the best.

CuriosityColaKilledTheCat Sat 27-Oct-12 07:58:41

All this talk of snow is making me feel all Christmassy! I love it grinblush

Having a slight panic as dh is meant to be working in New York next week. Not liking the look of the hurricane Frankenstein shock. May have to hide his passport wink

nickeldaisical Sat 27-Oct-12 11:56:05

yes, i prefer clothes etc to toys - toys i can grab from my shop grin

don't like megablocks. fake lego hmm

nickeldaisical Sat 27-Oct-12 12:00:15

have read updates.
feeling rather tired so won't reply much blush

DD has had 4th night of not properly sleeping and i'm more tired than her!
3am, then 1am, then up till midnight, then 3am last night.
although, last night, she was antsy and crotchety, not playful, which wasn't so much fun. sad

CuriosityColaKilledTheCat Sat 27-Oct-12 12:09:27

Passes nickel [tea]

CuriosityColaKilledTheCat Sat 27-Oct-12 12:09:50

Oops, better have some wine instead grin

fraktion Sat 27-Oct-12 12:26:16

cc in a previous life I was a super nanny. DS is testing boundaries plus a healthy side of being unable to communicate in a way we recognise as socially appropriate hence the physical methods of getting what he wants plus curiosity about other children and their features. It's actually an important step to developing empathy and discovering other rolls don't feel the same as him.

Consistent reactions and communication are key. He needs to learn what he can do without consequences and why, plus the communication will speed up his ability to verbalise if you pick 2/3 broad emotions. Don't shout, hit or bite back. That teaches him it's okay.

nickel brew and sympathy

val oooooh for January!

vallinnapod Sun 28-Oct-12 14:54:58

That's really interesting Frak - I must admit, I need to be more consistent with DS. The path of least resistance is not usually ever really the best grin

Lots of tea and wine Nickel - there is light at the end of the tunnel. We have just come out of about 6 weeks of niggly-ness, interrupted sleeping etc...and voila, all 4 molars broke through Friday and yesterday. No wonder he was in an arse!

vallinnapod Sun 28-Oct-12 14:55:59

CC - meant to say I sympathise with your DH's NY trip. Mine is off to Oz for 10-ish days at the beginning of December. Gutted I am not on mat leave!

Dynababy Sun 28-Oct-12 16:53:17

Hey, cc we were in Geordie land this weekend and it very much snowed there... Was lying 2 inches deep on sat am, thankfully melted quickly! Congrats on your scan must put your mind at rest! Very exciting. We were thinking in going for a viability scan (got one last time at 8 weeks) but with a house move and Christmas on the horizon wondering whether to just hang on until 12 week scan which should be week before Xmas... FVP thanks for that link had a good look at her site some interesting stuff and good allergen free recipes!! Val super exciting news re January! Nickel sorry re your DD sleep. How old is she now? Just wondering as my ds was really bad in the night until 10 months when he decided to stop walking for feeds.. I know so many people who say their little ones slept through from early on which isn't really what you want to hear when your still up a lot much later on. Hope she settles soon. Do you think teething? Maybe on cusp of dropping a daytime nap? Hope all is well with everyone.. Now we're ack from weekend away is shopping cleaning and back to work .. Ho hum will distract self with thoughts of crimbo and festive holidays! grin

FeijoaVodkaSpiritsnGhosts Sun 28-Oct-12 19:48:43

At the grand old age of 15 and 3/4s months, DD seems to have finally decided to start sleeping through the night! Okay so she woke up at 5.30 yesterday morning, but only for an hour, meaning I finally went back to sleep too. I guess this means I'll finally get used to real sleep again and her bastard molars will come in and ruin it all.

nickeldaisical Mon 29-Oct-12 14:01:58

6 weeks?!!! shock

six weeeeeks shockshock

i'll die!!
she doesn't seem to be teething, even though everyone in the entire universe disagrees with me. (most random people come into the shop, look at her, go "ah, isn't he cute! is he teething?" confused)

nickeldaisical Mon 29-Oct-12 14:04:05

Dyna - she's 10.5 months. still having night-feeds.
dunno what a "daytime nap" is wink
is that where she gets really antsy for a while, has a feed, sleeps for 10 minutes then wakes again?

CuriosityColaKilledTheCat Tue 30-Oct-12 16:15:17

Val I was happy the trip was cancelled as I thought he wouldn't need to go. It has been rescheduled for end of November. sad Really feeling for all those people affected by storm. Been glued to the news all day.

Frak that's really helpful. I am trying to praise him lots when he is listening and doing something good. He is not for listening to the word no though.

CuriosityColaKilledTheCat Wed 31-Oct-12 20:39:49

Did anyone get any trick or treaters tonight? We live in a flat, so didn't get any.

Had ds dressed as a very scary skeleton for his baby group today. Super cute! nickel did you have dd as part of your window display? winkgrin

CuriosityColaKilledTheCat Wed 31-Oct-12 20:42:13

dyna are you moving away from Edinburgh or having the 'we need a bigger house' panic that we are having?

The early scan is a personal choice. I always get referred for one, but if I didn't would probably pay for it.

vallinnapod Wed 31-Oct-12 21:24:02

God...early scans....I spent a fortune grin

We had one whole trick or treater....now feel sick eating the chocolate and sweets envy [boak face]

DS went to nursery as a pumpkin looking too cute!

fraktion Wed 31-Oct-12 21:56:09

cc he may not actually understand the word yet. It's quite an abstract concept. Stop is much better because its concrete smile

nickeldaisical Wed 31-Oct-12 22:30:57

according ro my book, dd should be recognising no- 10 months is average.

she is in my window display but it's not halloween grin

we had 3 sets of t or t-ers. I'm glad i bought treats tonight

fraktion Thu 01-Nov-12 04:11:33

8-12months is normal to start understanding, but understanding and understanding in context are different IYSWIM because no is a broad concept. We use it to mean stop, we use it to negate (no hitting), we use it to decline (no thanks), we use it to express quantity (no more)... Stop on the other hand means exactly that.

Babies of 8-12months often learn no in association with specific things - hair pulling, biting when feeding, touching plug sockets. It's then assumed that they understand no in general, which is problematic for 12-24months because they do a whole load of things that elicit a 'no' response and have to extrapolate from previous experience what we mean. Now that's a hugely important part of the learning process and just one of the schemas which need to be reworked but it's frustrating as a parent/carer when you're in a situation where you want them to stop biting or hitting and they don't get that no in this instance means no hitting because in their head no means not touching the plug socket and they aren't anywhere near one.

CuriosityColaKilledTheCat Thu 01-Nov-12 09:23:12

That's really interesting. He just went to shake the tv and I said stop and he stopped. Normally I say no and he grins and shakes it until I say no again and move him away.

I love his inquisitive nature and activeness, but some times I feel really envious of my friends babies who aren't walking and are happy to play with the toys in front of them.

nickeldaisical Thu 01-Nov-12 10:50:29

ah, I see, frak - we're also working on tone of voice - she definitely gets that! her name in a singsong voice gets a big grin; her voice in a stern tone gets a quick head-whip-round and stopping immediately of what she's doing!

we use Ba-bars to mean "don't touch that" or "leave that alone" (mainly because it was used on me.)

so, I'll take that on board and use Stop to mean stop, alongside Ba-bars for leave it alone.

nickeldaisical Thu 01-Nov-12 10:54:23

on another subject!
how much can this child eat ?

she basically spent all night feeding (and yes, she also spent most of the night writhing and rubbing/scratching and not letting me get any sleep at all)
she's had 2 muffins for breakfast, another milk feed, eaten some of my toast and is chomping on an apple. as well as slugging water.

I think she's teething - the gum where her incisors will be is very white and hard.
(and no, i can't wait until she starts feeding with those things!)

CuriosityColaKilledTheCat Thu 01-Nov-12 15:20:00

Random question. What age do you think is appropriate for a firework display?

There is one we fancy going to between 4pm-7pm. Pipeband, fire dancers, stalls and display. A big family event. Not sure if I should take ds or get a babysitter. I know you can get ear defenders for the noise. It's one of those things that I wish I could fast forward to, decide if it looks suitable and then decide.

CuriosityColaKilledTheCat Thu 01-Nov-12 15:21:03

P.s. I just seen Woolly and Tig being filmed at the zoo grin. If you see a mum walking back and forward with a wild child on reins...it's us grinblush

fraktion Thu 01-Nov-12 18:57:57

DS went at 4 months and then every firework display since. He's always been in ing with ear defenders and loves the pretty lights.

vallinnapod Thu 01-Nov-12 20:41:05

Frak - perfect sense to use 'stop' rather than 'no' will give it a go. At the moment we are in CC's camp of me saying no and DS acknowledging me and carrying on regardless hmm

I took Ds to fireworks last year. No ear defenders and he was fine, think he even slept a bit (2.5 months) I actually think it will be harder this year but will sling him again and see what happens.

CuriosityColaKilledTheCat Thu 01-Nov-12 20:50:07

An unfortunate club to be a part of Val grin. My mum says it's because ds is soooo intelligent. It makes him want to sleep less (busy mind apparently), test boundaries and explore at an early age...got to love the bias of a grandmother wink

I have ordered ear defenders. Hopefully they will arrive on time. Will get dh to carry him in the ergo so he is up high and can see everything.

Well, this hormonal lady has just cried all the way through the film Australia. The little boy in it just melts my heart <blub>

Is anyone else going to a display this year?

nickel what is dd in the window as? Does it beat the cuteness of the dragon?

vallinnapod Fri 02-Nov-12 10:05:51

hahahahahha!! My Mum would say the same...I just say he takes after DH grin

nickeldaisical Fri 02-Nov-12 10:52:53

CC - we're going to one tomorrow night.
I'm sure she'll love it. <unsure>

she's used to the loud noises from the organ, but loud bangs still startle her - but I'm sure it's just because they're unexpected loud noises wink

(we can leave if she hates it)

nickeldaisical Fri 02-Nov-12 11:07:40

she's in the window just holding a book.
it's an old photo, actually grin

nothing cute...

Eskarina Fri 02-Nov-12 12:23:34

Oh ba (as dd would say!) I wrote out a long post last night and it's not here. Will try to recreate the gist of it...

Dd is very determined about getting her own way - she does turn and acknowledge that I have said no or stop or whatever by shaking her head solemnly and saying nonononononono....... Then probably does whatever it was anyway!

Cc I must blame you for getting me into the Christmas bargain threads. I spent over £60 a bit to much on the book people last night as they had a discount code. And dd will have a playmobil zoo for Christmas too. May have to keep away from the thread so that we can actually move in our house though we are theoretically moving to a bigger one and I'm sure we can cope til we do

Had an interesting conversation with DH about Christmas. Our families have had totally different approaches to presents. FC brought all our presents, didn't have a stocking but had numerous presents usually including one large item, several medium sized things and other necessary bits like shower gel or pyjamas. DH got one present from his parents and a small stocking with v tiny things in (ie a small Lego set was considered a real present from gps or other family, not a stocking filler). Thing is his parents are loaded and mine aren't (though they would never have gone into debt etc). We both think we should do what our own parents did for dd. however as I tend to be the one doing the spending then DH might have to just lump it!

vallinnapod Fri 02-Nov-12 19:20:46

Esk same here - although DH's parent's didn't have much money when they were growing up. As a result they have never really done presents. Even now (they have loaded civil service pensions!) they get DH and siblings vouchers and that's it. I don't mean it in a 'that's it' just in that they don't go in for stocking fillers etc. presents are functional. Where as my parent's are all over it. Thankfully DH let's me get on with it for DS grin

FeijoaVodkaSpiritsnGhosts Fri 02-Nov-12 20:47:16

Not sure if saying Stop to DD would work any better than No tbh. She ignores us when she knows she's doing something she shouldn't and won't even respond to her name. Will have to give it a go. I do try to tell hare why I'm saying No (No, you'll hurt yourself) or say things like come away from there, or get off or you'll fall again and hurt yourself (as she climbs on her activity box thing, to try and scale the shelves or TV).

I'm so annoyed with Christmas. I was trying not to over play the whole Santa bollocks, but his effing playgroup last year drummed it in and leetle baby jesus too. Now I'm trying to get DS to understand about St Nicholas and how he's dead/retired, but other people act as Santa for him (it makes sense when I talk to him about it, honest). As for the whole jesus business, both DH and I are atheists so I'm trying to explain to DS about christmas meaning different things to different people (jews and Channuka, Christians and Jesus/Christmas, us - midwinter, driving away the darkness and depression with a big ol'party etc).
Presentswise, we tend to go for a 'big' gift and a few smaller ones. DS thinks Santa brings his presents, but I resent this. DH and I put a lot of thought into what I buy (as we don't have a lot of money to spend), so I want the recognition! I tell him the big thing is from us and one of the small ones is from Santa. As I wrap the presents and write on them, DH kind of has to go along with this grin

Dynababy Sat 03-Nov-12 12:11:07

Oooh Christmas bargain threads? Where are they? cc we're having we need a bigger place panic.. We live in a 2 bedroom flat in town and I'd really like us to buy our 'forever' home now but my maternity pay is rubbish so currently having dilems as to whether to put flat on market in January as planned ( before we got pregnant again!) or wait until I'm back at work after little one born... Dilems on one hand want it now but on other don't want ruin maternity leave worrying about paying a big mortgage on just DH's salary.. As you know Edinburgh is not cheap place to buy! Have to say hadn't thought about fireworks as just assumed they'd start as DS goes to bed... Might be nice tho! Must try word stop DS has an issue with no... He understands but crys when I say it because he wants to carry on whatever dangerous activity he's currently trying out... Breaks my heart it upsets him so much! sad

Eskarina Sun 04-Nov-12 16:45:34

Eeeek! Got a bfp this morning. I know I ovulated early this month, but still not quite sure how that happened. Am going to be another viroid with 2 under 2!!

fraktion Sun 04-Nov-12 17:51:49

esk woweee! Congratulations!!!

Eskarina Sun 04-Nov-12 21:57:21

Thanks frak! I think I'm still in shock about it all and now DH is worried that he coerced me into this before im ready. I will be thrilled, just a bit shocked ATM. Career wise there are advantages as well as disadvantaged - I started a new job at the beginning of sept so not looking forward to announcing that I'll be there less than a year then buggering off on maternity leave. But the difference between having 2 and 3 school years between dc will mean I can ultimately get back to being full time a year earlier.

vallinnapod Sun 04-Nov-12 22:20:03

Good lord you fertile viroids wink Huge congratulations esk grin

Now all sit next to me and let me absorb this BFP toughs smile

Spoke waaaaaaayyy too soon about the temper tantrums, had the full on back arching not wanting to get into the pushchair today.

vallinnapod Sun 04-Nov-12 22:20:45

Wow...spellings blush 'these BFP thoughts'

nickelrocketgoBooooooom Mon 05-Nov-12 11:24:20

Esk shock

well done! grin

we've only shagged once since the birth, and even then I didn't really feel into it. wanted to do it, but seem not to have a lot of feeling down in my bucket fanjo hmm

FeijoaVodkaSpiritsnGhosts Mon 05-Nov-12 16:12:05

Ohh Esk, Congratulations! grin

So that's how many of you knocked up now? 3? (shuffles away from all the fertile viroids to allow Vallinna all the contagious BFP vibes).

Off to the fireworks tonight. Wish us luck!

CuriosityColaKilledTheCat Mon 05-Nov-12 19:56:03

Congratulations Esk!!!!

Well Val, you know what they say. Three is a crowd, four is a party! grin Look forward to another bfp soon. We might have to start our own stats list on here.

Oh fvp, quite jealous you already have your two bundles. You will be like the wise owl, nodding sagely at our newborn woes grin

CuriosityColaKilledTheCat Mon 05-Nov-12 20:00:49

Dyna there is a whole section on Christmas and a series of threads on the latest bargains people have found. Sorry I can't do links.

We would love to buy somewhere bigger. Have outgrown our two bed flat. Realistically our next place will be a small 3 bed. Can't afford the big jump to a large house without moving out of Edinburgh. House hunting here is so tough. It's all flats, bungalows and castles! wink

FeijoaVodkaSpiritsnGhosts Tue 06-Nov-12 17:38:22

I wish my 2 were still bundles. It's all legs legs and more legs. With a lot of talking. I'm a teeny bit envy at all the bfp's, but realistically IF a number 3 ever happens it won't be for years, so I'm just enjoying everyone elses bfps instead grin (and I can go SQUEEEEEEEEEEEEEE and jump all around the room without worrying gringrin)

Dynababy Wed 07-Nov-12 21:40:41

Wow congrats Esk that's great news!!! Lots of preg viroid mummies! Yeah! Hoping for another soon Val! CC yes house hunting is a mare anything nice in good area of size is mega bucks... We're currently trying to agree the compromises we might be willing to make! I'm going area over size and DH is plumping for size further out.. Sure we'll agree at some point! Random question for straw poll... Is it acceptable to take new job whilst preg?? I have found 2 perfect jobs and nothing come up in my area of expertise for a while.. Have an interview on Friday .. Confused about what I'm thinking going for it.. If I got it could I take it?? Is it legal? Or just bad form!?

Eskarina Thu 08-Nov-12 06:59:50

Good luck with job hunting dyna. I's sure its legal but you must check out how mat leave and pay would be affected. I forget how many weeks you are but you have to tell employers before a certain time (about 25 weeks I think) but depending on your current notice period you might be close to starting your new job by the time that comes round.

I don't think it's horrendous at all - though I am stressing massively at the moment about telling my work about pg as I've only been there since the beginning of sept and they can't seem to keep nursery teachers as ppl keep getting pg and buggering off blush mind you there aren't many teachers that would want to work mornings only if they didn't have young dc and there's always the risk they'll want more....

nickelrocketgoBooooooom Thu 08-Nov-12 13:28:39

who wanted the christmas bargains thread?

of course you can take a new job whilst pregnant.
pretty sure you won't qualify for maternity pay, though. think you still get leave, but not pay. (but you can claim MA, which is like a selfemployed version)

legal, but not necessarily moral... wink

Dynababy Thu 08-Nov-12 18:52:08

It was me after bargains thanks!! Yeah I'm thinking legal but not great start. Sods law means I'll get the job because I can't actually take it! No mat no bother to me as mine is stat only so no biggie to lose out.... But just can't see me taking it anyway.. Not great way to go into an interview ... Applied for the job pre bfp!

CuriosityColaKilledTheCat Thu 08-Nov-12 19:14:09

Sorry not posted much. Being feeling bleurgh. Announced my pregnancy to a close group of my friends and made one them really upset sad. Turns out she had recently miscarried.

Child free tomorrow, so will catch up properly and add some mega posts then.

vallinnapod Thu 08-Nov-12 19:48:27

Wotcha all.

Loads going on here in that work is just busy, busy, busy and then I have DS - obviously the best part of the day. Bit exhausting. DH is good but...I dunno, seems like he picks and choses when to throw himself into this whole working parent lark hmm

So, despite saying I wanted to wait until January for my FET I have decided to go for it...had a baseline scan this week but then worked rough dates out and realised DS would be in Oz so back for another baseline next week and then we crack on manipulating my hormones!

vallinnapod Thu 08-Nov-12 19:51:36

Sorry hit send to quickly blush

How are all the PGs going? is the time going quicker this time round?

Jobwise, as an employer I would be a bit hmm at someone joining pregnant but then if they are good at their job it would bother me less. Would bother me less if I knew it was not a first baby too as I don't think anyone knows how they feel about returning to work until they have had at least one smile

fraktion Thu 08-Nov-12 20:44:23

dyna I got my job at the Uni pre-BFP, turned up 12 weeks gone, dropped the bombshell after I'd been there a month. Ok so I didn't get the enhanced mat package but I can't have been that bad because they renewed me.

I'm feeling left behiiiiind. And DS is the oldest one on this thread I think! <prods stupid ovaries>

vallinnapod Thu 08-Nov-12 21:04:52

Frak I see you in a stupid-ovary-off wink

CuriosityCola Sun 11-Nov-12 19:39:42

Val not sure what a baseline is, but good luck for this week smile

Eskarina Sun 11-Nov-12 21:07:10

Yes, good luck val... Whatever your baseline scan is!

I think I'm coming round to the idea of being pg again. It was a hug shock last week. Got a bit upset at the dr as I had to go for something else and she wouldn't do the pg stuff at the same time (though fair enough I suppose) and was a bit odd with me "but it says here you discussed contraception advice on X date and now you're saying this one is a surprise...how can that happen?". Have got over that a bit now though - cheered myself up by researching double buggies grin
I think I'll feel better after I've told people at work - I had to refuse to take a turn at clearing up the cat/fox poo that festoons the garden after their nightly visits and whilst it's not the nicest job in the world I'm usually careful to make sure that I (as team leader) do everything I expect anyone else to do, but I'm not risking that. (normally its the caretakers job but he's off sick and has been/will be for ages)
Have had tonsillitis this week so feeling ick. Then dr gave me a really high dose of antibiotics to counter it and they're just making me feel sick.

Sorry for the me me me. Hope everyone has had a good weekend

vallinnapod Sun 11-Nov-12 21:36:37

Thanks - it's just to check the thickness of my lining...before they stick me on the pill for a month to get rid off it confused

Sorry you are feeling crap Esk and at the 'helpful' attitude of your GP.

CuriosityCola Mon 12-Nov-12 08:24:21

esk when I told the doctor I was pregnant she glanced at ds and then said very very slowly, 'and you are feeling...'. At which point I said I was happy and it was planned and her whole demeanour changed. Was very funny. Yours sounds like a right grump. Don't they know we are hormonal? Anyway, hope you are feeling better in no time.

Val is this a dildocam visit? When I had my early scan it wasn't used, but I seen it sitting in its holster. Gave dh a good giggle when I reminded him of its name. grin Hope all goes well for you. At the risk of sounding very cheesy, it is very exciting that you are starting on the road to motherhood again. How would you feel about twins?

In other news, been told not to buy ds the vtech garage for Christmas as sil has bought it for him. It was on the Christmas bargain thread shock. Don't mind her making a saving as it means I can spend less on her two. Last year she requested a video game for them...each! It cost us over £70. I think that is too much to spend on a 4 and 7 year old.

Eskarina Mon 12-Nov-12 13:59:13

CC is your sil a secret MNer!?

CuriosityCola Mon 12-Nov-12 15:19:54

That's what I am wondering. Will keep an eye on Aibu for any, 'my sil is so annoying, all she does is throw up and whinge about being pregnant' threads grin

vallinnapod Mon 12-Nov-12 19:08:28

LOL, yeah dildo cam. Don't bat an eyelid (or a flap wink!) at it any more! It's just a scan to confirm bugger all is going on.

I was wondering about the vetch garage...we have three cars which drive me nicely insane. But DS loves them!

CuriosityCola Mon 12-Nov-12 19:38:57

For some reason I read that as it just being a scam, not a scan grin

We have a couple of the cars and the race track (birthday present). Avoid the race track! It is really annoying. The slightest movement sets it off. It has to sit away from the toy box or it sings away to itself for ages.

I'm actually struggling for what to get ds for Christmas or to know how much to spend.

vallinnapod Mon 12-Nov-12 19:48:36

I was thinking of being a complete scrooge economical...ish. DS will get loads of things from relatives if his birthday is anything to go by (and last year when all I asked was for books for him!) and he still won't really know what is going on. We will put some money in his ISA. I have also got him his christmas book and christmas PJs! May just leave it at that.

However, I am really, really tempted to get him a play kitchen.....

Eskarina Mon 12-Nov-12 20:29:47

Dd has got bits and pieces for Christmas - a playmobil 123 zoo (thanks to the bargains thread) a happyland house (from eBay) and a baby doll - bought long before I knew about dc2!! (actually given how she treats the rag doll that she has I think she's going to need lots of practise with the baby doll before July - she flings it out of her toy buggy and has a full on tantrum if I put it back in!) am desperate to get myself her the ikea kitchen but that will have to wait until we've moved house. She's been so lovely the last couple of days having adopted an old pan and wooden spoon out of the kitchen. She's rather inseparable from them and tried to smuggle them into the car to go to the childminder's this morning! Why am I buying her toys for Christmas?!

vallinnapod Mon 12-Nov-12 20:38:08

Yeah, DS would be be more than happy with several Pringles lids and the inner trays from a box of chocs...good job we are such gluttons!

CuriosityCola Mon 12-Nov-12 21:34:02

I am fancying a kitchen for myself ds. Wonder if we could get a bulk buy discount?! Think I have mentioned before that we already have the kids pots and pans set from ikea. Along with the fruit, veg and mini utensils. Ds loves them as they are made from stainless steel. Very noisy and realistic looking.

Putting money in a savings account is a good idea.

nickelrocketgoBooooooom Tue 13-Nov-12 13:54:42

How much did you want to spend?
i could look at my wholesaler...

CuriosityCola Wed 14-Nov-12 09:00:15

Not sure to be honest. As little as possible. Are you allowed to link to your website on here? I could do to get some books as stocking fillers. smile

nickelrocketgoBooooooom Wed 14-Nov-12 10:49:19

just google nickel books, it'll come up at the top (i hope)

let me check this wholesaler catalogue for kitchens, then....

nickelrocketgoBooooooom Wed 14-Nov-12 10:51:13

in this catalogue, they're all wooden and the cheapest one is £30 cost! (and it's vair small)

I'll look somewhere else....

nickelrocketgoBooooooom Wed 14-Nov-12 10:52:54

there are lots of bits and bobs that go with the kitchens that are cheaper though.

CuriosityCola Wed 14-Nov-12 21:10:27

That is expensive. I think I might just put some money in his savings account instead. To be fair I could probably just have a go at making one. <Blue Peter time> grin

CuriosityCola Fri 16-Nov-12 11:14:39

Everyone has gone very quiet. Have I killed the thread?

Ds has realised that he can climb onto the dining table chairs. Fast forward two minutes and he realises he can climb onto the glass dining table. hmm It was my last place for putting things out of reach. He is now having a temper tantrum every time I make him get off the table. He knows he is doing wrong as he keeps grinning and scrunching his nose at me as he climbs up. <exhausted>

vallinnapod Fri 16-Nov-12 13:35:11

Uh-oh CC! DS is turning into a real climber....other than caging him putting him in the play pen, I just have to keep an eye or 4 on him! I like that he is so curious but I wish we could turn it on and off wink

So back on the pill for a cycle before I mess my hormones around with different drugs. Willing the days away to transfer smile

nickelrocketgoBooooooom Fri 16-Nov-12 13:41:17

yes, DD is doing the stairs over and over again.
she has a very determind face when she does it!

CuriosityCola Fri 16-Nov-12 15:07:00

I love the determined look they get. It is very cute. Agree about the off switch though!

CuriosityCola Sat 17-Nov-12 14:41:24

Ds is full of the cold, with a cough. He has a massive blister where a tooth is maybe coming through. I'm alternating calpol and nurofen to try and keep his temp down, he is still pretty warm though. Would you guys call nhs 24? Do you think they would do anything apart from giving calpol and nurofen? sadsadsad

nickelrocketgoBooooooom Sat 17-Nov-12 15:20:26

poor baby sad

DD is being a right annoying little person this week hmm
every single time she feeds, she pulls and pummels and twists and effing bites!
it's really trying.

she can't sleep without the boob (except for magic DH of course!!), but she stays asleep if I pull her off. She is almost hyperactive!
but if she wakes earlier than she needs to, she gets all weepy and distressed (distraught!).

CuriosityCola Sat 17-Nov-12 15:28:04

His temp is 39.3

Think I'm going to need to phone as I am worried about giving more than the recommended dose of calpol.

CuriosityCola Sat 17-Nov-12 15:28:14

Not calpol, nurofen.

Eskarina Sat 17-Nov-12 19:37:57

Cc, I hope DS is improving and you've probably made your decision long ago. I would call NHS direct, and did when dd was about 9mo, had a fluctuating but high temp, strange shallow breathing and went all listless. Within 7 mins of me describing her symptoms we had a lovely paramedic at the door followed swiftly by an emergency ambulance. Thankfully the sight of a chap wearing a funny green uniform carrying a box that went flash and beep really cheered her up and we didn't need to do anything further. The paramedic was adamant that he would much rather attend 100s of false alarms where the child perked up easily than not be called out for the child who went on to be seriously ill.

Long and rambling, but if you're worried do ring. Hope poor DS shakes it all off easily

CuriosityCola Sun 18-Nov-12 15:38:02

Thanks esk. Managed to get his temperature under control and avoid a trip to the hospital. Think I will take him to the doctors tomorrow anyway as he sounds quite chesty. He keeps perking up for a few minutes at a time, but is generally a snotty, crying mess. He has also decided that he prefers dh. Wanted to sleep next to him for the past two nights and is like his shadow during the day. Tomorrow will be interesting when dh goes back to work.

Nickel hope dd is behaving today. I used to hate ds pulling on and off (without unlatching) and generally being a pain during feeds. Nothing worked, so don't have any advice apart from the mn 'this too shall pass!' wink

Otherwise, I'm in full on Christmas planning mode. Decided to make snowman soup for all the kids (to save money) and possibly some for the adults too. It's going to be a very homemade Christmas. Is anyone else doing anything craft wise?

Dyna and esk hope your pregnancies are progressing well. Val hope your lining is behaving and getting in shape for frostiesgrin

Eskarina Sun 18-Nov-12 19:41:57

So glad DS is ok cc. I think it's normal for them to get daddy obsessions, dd goes through phases of preferring daddy, though never as strongly as you describe.

Dd is full of cold poor mite. She's coughing non-stop so didn't really get to nap today. There's snot everywhere and her nappy rash is horrendous. Feel really guilty that we forgot to change her nappy and she was dirty for I don't know how long - we had friends round for lunch and whilst I'd had a sniff I didn't change as promptly. Problem with reusables is that unless it's super stinky you can't smell a poo in them even with a nose-to-nappy sniff!

Pg is going ok thanks cc - how are you getting on? I'm only going the the GP this week - first appointment they had available even though I rang 2 weeks ago hmm. I think I'll be arounds 8 weeks then, so I hope they get on with getting me booked in for a scan. I was 5 or 6 weeks when I went last time and I still only just got my nuchal at 12.5 weeks. Am starting to get nauseous now, though not nearly as much as last time - perhaps that's still to come, but also think I've got better at knowing what and how much to eat to stave it off.

Tb completely h I'm still struggling a little with the idea of this pg. I feel awful saying that as I know others are ttc. Its not that I don't want this one, I do, but it happened so quickly - before we were really even trying. If I wasn't at work then it would be fine, I quite like the idea of a small gap (my brother and I are 16m apart and for the most part have always got on v well). But I'm 10 weeks into a new job and getting wobbly every time I think about telling them. Will have to say something to my nursery nurse at least soon as I think it only fair on her that she knows why I can't/won't do certain things like pick up poo!
I'm sure once I've seen the dr I'll get my head around it a bit more, perhaps I should get the conversation with the Head at school out of the way sooner rather than later so I can stop worrying about it. Or maybe I should keep burying my head in the sand until after the scan grin

Sorry for another rme me me essay. No one at all in rl (well apart from DH) knows about it so there's only you guys to talk to.

nickelrocketgoBooooooom Sun 18-Nov-12 22:46:20

sorry you're feeling like that.
all i can say is that it's the early days of pregnancy ! grin
it'll befine all of it. of course it's hard considering. smile

nickelrocketgoBooooooom Sun 18-Nov-12 22:47:11

sorry for wrap punctuation. on phone and dd has been all over it with oil !

CuriosityCola Mon 19-Nov-12 11:41:13

Doing ok here esk. I have been really tired and very nauseas. Not been as sick thankfully.

I have been having similar thoughts to you. I really want another baby, but I hate pregnancy and it really doesn't like me. It's hard to put my feelings into words...I just keep thinking why the hell have I made myself feel like this again.

vallinnapod Mon 19-Nov-12 14:54:44

Oh CC, sorry not to have been around. This happened with DS. Very scary and we actually ended up in A&E - where they gave him more Calpol and made us wait for 2 hours when thankfully his temp went down. Hideously scary, horrible night. The next day it was like it had never happened.

Nickel my boobs wince for you. As we can to the end of BF DS used to kick me in the stomach constantly when feeding at night.

Not exactly crafting for Christmas but I am going to make DS an advent calendar and need to work out how to Christmassy-fy the house without a tree or anything that DS can grab grin

I don't have any lining updates until I start to bleed (two and a bit weeks probably) - then I have another scan and start staking oestrogen tablets to build it up.

I can get where you are coming for with the two minds about being PG. If I could get pregnant naturally I wouldn't be doing this now but waiting until DS was 2 before starting...it's just if we need to go full on again I want age to still be on my side. I have a couple of friends who got PG with #1 in the first month of trying and they found it very hard. You are made to feel like you should be grateful to be PG by lots of people (hopefully not me!) but it is perfectly natural to be a bit confused.

Gotta go as DS is stirring...!

vallinnapod Mon 19-Nov-12 20:07:12

Just having a ponder as home alone tonight and wouldn't mind other people's opinions.

So I am working 4 days a week with one from home. I am pretty much doing 5 days. My contact is now 28 hours (as opposed to 35 previously) and my time sheets are coming out at around 35 hrs (previously they came out 42ish) - this 'overtime' is not paid - at my level I am not eligible. Doesn't bother me, it's par for the course in the industry I work in and to a degree expected.

I found my first couple of weeks back at work very easy and then the next several very hard. I now feel settled. Am doing a new role which is interesting and challenging.

When I first returned I was trying to work out how to get the money together (£10k!) to pay off my enhanced mat pay I was so desperate to leave I missed DS so much. Then I was pretty convinced I wanted to go down to 3 days.

Now, on the days I am working I am almost convinced I want to go back up to full time, then at the end of my 'weekend' - I don't work on Monday - I am contemplating SAHM.....

anyone else get these rather dramatic swings confused

Eskarina Mon 19-Nov-12 21:36:01

Wow val, they are rather extreme swings! I do get what you mean though. I do 5 mornings and when the going is good or, like last term I'm v busy but feeling productive I wonder why I didn't just go back FT. Then days like today (nothing's happened just feeling generally a bit low) and I think I won't go back to work after the next round of mat leave.
If you did go ft would you be able to keep to a standard 37.5hr week? As then you're getting another days pay for effectively 2 hours work, esp if you could negotiate that as an official working from home day? No idea how possible that is in your line of work.

Then I have afternoons like today when dd shouts at me non-stop (not really but if felt like it) and I just want to crawl under the duvet and not work but not have to wrestle a toddler either!!

nickelrocketgoBooooooom Thu 22-Nov-12 12:47:48
nickelrocketgoBooooooom Thu 22-Nov-12 12:49:37

vall could you ask to do another day at home?
then you can fit it in around DS rather than the other way round.
say, do your 7.5 hours in 2 hour bursts.

Dynababy Thu 22-Nov-12 19:01:35

Hey all sorry to hear of poorly DC CC and boob biting Nickel Not nice hope evrything a bit better now... On the pregnancy front I feel a bit like you Esk happy that we're having #2 and good gap etc but it wasn't planned and I wasn't quite ready to surrender my body back to babies after only 1.5 months of eating and drinking what I liked (bf on dairy free diet until DS was 13 months).... Also lots of opportunities career wise came up that I've had to bow out of so mixed emotions but I am thankful we haven't had issues conceiving and timing wise better too quick than be still trying 2 years down the line... I just tell myself this baby was meant to be!!!!! We can't plan everything (maybe I could have if less wine had been consumed blush ). Other than that feeling rubbish feeling sick and being sick and migraines, sometimes feel like I'm going to pass out .... I think low blood sugar causes migraine and weak shaky feel combined with sickness... I'm having to watch carefully what I eat to try and stave off and or recover when it happens not nice as no one at work knows... Definitely not saying until I have to as boss negotiating more responsibility, a pay rise and a place on the senior leadership dev programme right now ;) don't want to risk them thinking it doesn't matter as I'll be off for at least 6 months.. Val I understand your fluctuating emotions, when at work you get into the swing of it and it's your norm then same when you spend a lot of time off work at home... I think the balance you have sounds nice personally! I work full time as I can't do my job part time and find it a bit much... ESP at the moment as feel so crap when I get in sometimes have to have a lie down and leave DH to do DS tea so missing out a lot on time with DS.. Sorry long post ... Not been on much between work and feeling rubbish! 1st mw appt Monday.. Preparing to stand my ground and reject VBAC as being induced last time at 42 weeks no it failing 3 times was no barrell of laughs so don't fancy that combined with increased risk of uterine rupture.. Know they will try and talk me into it tho! Hey oh. Have you seen mw so far CC is it booking appt much different 2nd tie now they have history? Do they discuss last birth a lot? Anyway rambling now.. Happy weekend all when it comes!

vallinnapod Tue 27-Nov-12 20:08:10

Gone quite in here smile

Dyna - sorry you are suffering, good luck standing your ground with the MW

Nickel - thanks for the kitchen porn grin I have decided to get him bits for a kitchen instead, as I think that's what he would like more. So he has some toy pans and a shopping basket with plastic fruit in it. Have added lots of those gorgeous Melissa & Doug pretend toy food sets to his Christmas list.

Feeling <bleurgh> here and only on the pill (rather than the more hard core drugs)confused Managed to put on 7lbs in a fortnight - which, the acupuncturist says, is the progesterone in it. Explains the delightful constipation and piles blush. And there was me thinking I would only have this joy again once the cyclogest (full on progestrone meds) started! Still, one week of popping to go....then a scan and more popping.

FeijoaVodkaAndCheezelsPlease Tue 27-Nov-12 21:33:28

Ohh, Go Vallinna's womb go!

I've been around, just not much to say. Full of snot and trying to wean DD off her boob habit. Not a good combo. still I have a target of the end of the year of having her boob free by New Year, when she'll be 18 months. I've asked DH for new bras for Christmas (once she's stopped obviously).

Hope everyone is doing alright this week.

CuriosityCola Tue 27-Nov-12 21:40:17

Just been lurking. Very snot filled here and puking like a good one every afternoon.

Been mostly saving my moaning for the grads thread. grin

vallinnapod Tue 27-Nov-12 22:12:59

Sorry for all the snots!

LOL FVP my bits will be very pleased to hear they have a cheering squad grin I like the bra incentive. I couldn't believe how narrow the straps were on normal bras after 18 months+ in maternity and nursing ones! Does DD show any sign it won't be too tough?

Weaned DS on to cows milk as a drink tonight having been all PFB with toddler milk ...didn't bat an eyelid. Not sure why I thought he would.

CuriosityCola Wed 28-Nov-12 09:10:58

I have a really really random/embarrassing question....

I'm a little bit worried about ds's, well actually dh mentioned it and now I am worried about his manhood. His willy seems quite small at the end compared to the rest of it. Sometimes it looks a little red. I thought they naturally looked this shape? I obviously can't google it! I'm going to have to take him to the doctors aren't I? blush

CuriosityCola Wed 28-Nov-12 17:22:25

I have killed the thread with the weirdest comment ever blush

nickelbabeuntiladvent Wed 28-Nov-12 17:25:38

you might have to.
the shape wouldn't worry, but the "Sometimes it looks a little red." would.

nickelbabeuntiladvent Wed 28-Nov-12 17:28:18

fedj - hate to break it to you, but the WHO recommends at least 2 years...

(which might make you feel better if you aren't successful wink)

my feeding bras have narrow straps. confused

CuriosityCola Wed 28-Nov-12 19:31:52

I thought it would just be because it had been squished in his nappy. Dh has questioned it and put the onus on me to decide and do something about it. You think he would know if it needs checked or not. Instead I'm going to be the neurotic mum with her pfb at the surgery. <rolls eyes emoticon>.

fvp I'm really impressed you are still feeding dd and a little bit jealous. I miss the night time feeds not the day time ones. Though ds often still ends up in with us. What has made you set this deadline? I like the idea of fabulous new underwear as a target/reward.

vallinnapod Wed 28-Nov-12 19:57:46

CC my DS's is definitely a different shape overall to his Daddy's grin And similar to your DS's in that the end (the unconnected end!) is much narrower. It too some times gets a little red - I just assumed it was a bit of nappy rash. I make sure it is clean and put a bit of cream on it when red. I did google this (my google history really would be an interesting read!) as I wondered if I should be trying to pull his foreskin back to clean it but apparently this remains attached to...I dunno..the base (?!) until at least 2.

Does that help??

CuriosityCola Wed 28-Nov-12 21:22:17

grin Haha, I think dh thinks it should be the same...except a miniature of his. That actually helps loads. I couldn't decide how to word my worry for google and only one of my friends has a little boy. We aren't quite on the, 'what does your son's penis look like?' level of confiding though. Thankfully there is mumsnet and you guys!

vallinnapod Wed 28-Nov-12 21:53:43

LOL gotta love MN for all the questions and comments that you just can't get out in RL.

I have to say, as much as I would love a girl my preference (before being PG) is def for another boy. I am sure I won't mind once I am PG. Before DS I would I have told anyone who would listen there was no way I wanted a boy first and if I did have one then I really wouldn't want another as I couldn't think of anything worse than two boys <total idiot emoticon> The second I was pregnant with him I couldn't have cared less as long as he stuck in there. wink

CuriosityCola Wed 28-Nov-12 21:56:38

I'm hoping for another boy. I think it's partly due to finding it hard to imagine having a girl. Don't mind really, just want a successful and healthy pregnancy.

nickelbabeuntiladvent Thu 29-Nov-12 13:29:35

I only ever imagined having a girl.
I wasn't bothered which, but I saw a girl.
you know when you have little daydreams throughout your life <might just be me> ? well, I always saw me with a daughter in those.

even when I thought I'd never have any babies, I kept having that vision with a daughter.

CuriosityCola Thu 29-Nov-12 13:47:15

Aw nickel, that's lovely. How is your dd? Is she tearing about your shop on a daily basis now?smile

nickelbabeuntiladvent Thu 29-Nov-12 14:03:58

she's currently working out a way of biting my nipples off.
like she's got the hang of food and needs to bite and chew everything now.
but yes, tearing about the shop grin
when she escapes it's minutes until all the toys are all over the floor.

FeijoaVodkaAndCheezelsDude Thu 29-Nov-12 20:24:15

Nickel, I'm well aware of the WHO guidelines, but I really have had enough now and feel it's the right time to wean off the boob. DD on the other hand... (by the way the liberation comment is made tongue in cheek. I really have loved bfing her this long, after 8 months of hell with DS).

Speaking of DD, she has just started crying. Sorry for ignoring everyone.

nickelbabeuntiladvent Fri 30-Nov-12 15:12:05

I know, I wasn't saying you had to! I was just being picky...
(see, the wink in the next line - that was meant for you!)

Eskarina Fri 30-Nov-12 17:18:16

See I'd really like a boy in theory as I'd love to have one of each, but I can't imagine it at all. I did have a preference for a girl last time round and now I can't think why (ok I got a girl, but I can't imagine loving a boy any less, and dd is hardly a delicate girly girl - she's into climbing onto furniture at the moment) I do see dd as having a sister and secretly hope it is so I can reuse all her gorgeous outfits!

IrnbruVodkaAndTablet Fri 30-Nov-12 20:16:37

I always wanted a girl, think because only having sisters I couldn't imagine a boy. But DS is ace (though I'm bracing myself for his teens and being eaten out of house and home hmm). I admit I was over the moon to have a girl too, but had I ended up with another boy I would have been thrilled too.

It's okay Nickel. I'm tired sick and grumpy is all. angry - grumpy coo face wink

nickelbabeuntiladvent Sun 02-Dec-12 09:51:42

bless ya.
I'm poorly in bed . I've skipped church. basically yesterday i felt nauseous all day and then in the evening i vomited up everything i had eaten. i blame dh- he was trying tobe nice and make me garlic bread. i knew i don't want it but ate it cos he made the effort. well i ate 1 and half slices. then puked 10 minutes later.

i had a bad night and still feel bleurgh.
dd is also being weirdly clingly and having to feed her is making me feel sick again.

Eskarina Sun 02-Dec-12 14:04:35

Hope you feel better soon nickel, it's grim being ill with a little one, you get no respite or chance to get over things properly.
Have finally told my parents and ILs about dc2. Both seemed pleased if a little surprised.
I'm getting impatient for a date for moving house, but at the same time I'm not keen to move before Christmas now, it just seems too soon!

nickelbabeuntiladvent Sun 02-Dec-12 18:04:53

yeah cos she's being particularly clingy too
glad they're pleased.
i don't blame you for not wanting to move before Christmas

FeijoaVodkaAndCheezels Tue 04-Dec-12 17:44:00

Hope everyone is feeling better today. I caved and went to the Dr for some abs. I'm looking forward to not snoring or mainlining tissues anymore.

WingDefence Thu 06-Dec-12 17:30:46

Hi all you lovely Just Mumming mums grin

Just thought I'd share with you the latest JSing grads thread over here, in case you want to lurk pop over and say hi!

CuriouslyChristmassyColaHam Fri 07-Dec-12 13:32:39

Hey ladies, the new phone app won't let me in this thread for some reason sad. Don't get to use laptop very often, so hopefully they get it sorted soon angry

Hope everyone is ok and you are feeling better nickel. Love the name change fvp. Come see me on the grads thread if you miss mewink

nickelbabylyinginamanger Mon 10-Dec-12 16:22:59

how weird.

and, although that post was in my phone on Friday, it's just popped up on my pc now.
confused[even more]

we're better now, thanks CC

DD is 1 on Wednesday, which is quite scary.
the first 6 months were very long indeed, but the last 6 months have gone by rather very quickly.