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Hi thought I'd take the bull by the horns and start a new thread. Hope the weaning was covert enough! Fire away!

Ali love the name of our new thread.

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im on board...love the title!

Woo hoo- new thread !

Hi guys

have been lurking for ages (back to old habits) but will try and post a little something whenever my two dc's will allow !

I may even post my labour experience on the childbirth board, if I'm feeling energetic... ...Charlie's only 14 weeks lol ...

Many things you folks have written about over the last few weeks ring so true- mainly the stuff about wayward toddlers & learning to be extra patient with the older dc.

Love the new thread name well done ali

Have put charlie's birth story in 'Birth Announcements' if anyone's interested, better late than never ...ahem

LOVE LOVE LOVE the name ali well done!! Just a quick post as Marco is patiently waiting for the boob and I dont want to press my luck... ugh... there he goes!! Have a lovely evening!

WHY WHY WHY won't my baby sleep? ARG!

Ooh - new thread, nice one Ali!

Firstly Misspaella - thanks so much for the advice to mix FF and EBM for his dreamfeed instead of going straight in with formula - it's worked a treat It hasn't magically made him sleep much more but it does mean that DP can do the late feed which he loves, and I'm confident that Sid could have formula if and when he needs it.

Good to see you again Christiana and sorry that you're having to cope with PND. I thought that you dealt with the weaning meanies brilliantly, by the way.

JetLi I agree with you that these age milestones seem crazy. It's not just the sterilising and weaning, I had a bit of a scrap with one of my hideous alpha-NCT-mummies recently because I mentioned that I'm planning to move Sid into his own room.. She was adamant that the advice is to wait until 6 months. She started banging on about how his breathing wasn't developed enough to cope without taking cues from the sound of mine and DP's breathing & . That lot are doing my head in - think I might have to extricate myself from the NCT meet-ups in fact. I mean.. they bring baby books along to coffee mornings and QUOTE FROM THEM out loud to eachother! Sheeesshh.. [end rant]

Lovely birth story mumofshortie - your midwife team sounded brilliant, belated congrats on getting your VBAC.

Gillyan I'm very envious of your rollercoaster rides. I never liked them much, but since becoming a mum I have had urges to try more scary / exciting stuff, think it must be that I need a contrast to the daily baby routines.

I might have to adjust my ideas of what I can and can't do a bit as I'm having terrible problems with my joints - my GP is testing for arthritis (I found out that there's a history of post-natal onset in the women in my family) so I'm really quite When I get up in the morning I can hardly move my knees at all and have real trouble lifting Sid out of his cot as my hands and wrists feel like they've seized up. Suppose it's best to get diagnosed ASAP and get on the meds, I'm sure it's much more manageable these days.

Sid is absolutely fine though - he's a really happy little chap and charms everyone in his path. I do feel very lucky and I love him more every day [soppy old cow emoticon]

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own room dd1 and dd2 both went into their own rooms from 6 weeks. As Christina says, we all slept better too. If she grumbles I don't wake up but if she's hungry she gives a full bodied yell! Found I was waking her in the night as I woke and thought she needed feeding only to find she took a bit and fell bac k asleep. In her own room I'm fairly confident that she needs me and we're back to 1 night feed... Oh apart from all the nights she's cried all night cos of teeth and her cold that is

nct MIL was a mad NCTer in her time,. She's a bit hippy for me. I'm afraid that I probably could quote books to people with dd1 but only cos I had no confidence in my own knowledge, not cos I felt the need to impress people. All this Alpha mummy smacks of people who leave high powered jobs and bring that attitude to child rearing. Eeks its all a bit scary IMO!

guilt sending dd1 to child minder 3 days this week. Feel like I've done half term already with having her home all week ill last week. Am I awful? Just need some time me and dd2 so i can get stuff done. Feel a bit bad but TBH she's doing my nut ATM. That makes me feel worse tho as i really do feel like I'm palming her off. DH 's exams in a week and then I get him back! Hurrah! Perhaps I will feel better then.

activity hope you get some answers re arthritis. that can't be good. Pregnancy set off my food allergies. Can never have milk now (well lactose) the sacrifices we make to bring these sproglets into the world! [martyr emoticon!]

Mumofshortie well done for your Vbac.

Apple scary mom's continue throughout the whole parenting process IMO. The school gates terrify me with Alpha-mommies. I just duck my head out of any controversial chat. As for your arthritis - sorry to hear about that. It must be so painful!

Ali re guilt I have left my older 2DC's at my parents for this half term. I felt a bit shit about it last night but I am enjoying the break. My justification is that I will be more chilled with them when they are back if I am less frazzled.

Today I went down Oxford St and bought NOTHING. What was I thinking trying to shop during half term? It was teenage heaven and I was caught in the middle of it. ARGH. I did get some cute bits for the DC's which is a bonus I suppose. Tristan was being a nightmare to feed. He kept pulling off to look round (we were in a sq by Soho) so I ended up in Mamas and Papas to feed in one of their nursing rooms. I used to hate those rooms (no windows, too quiet etc) but now I realise they are a godsend to distracted feeders.

Spk of BF I am sill having a so so time with it. I still can't believe I have done nearly 4 months but unsure about when to stop. I've never reached 6months with my previous 2 so it's all new to me. I hope to reach that milestone but am scared to have it as my "target" in case it doesn't happen for a 3rd time.

Today I also ate an entire Yorkie Bar. I am disappointed in myself. I just have no control over my chocolate intake. Anyone got any good dieting tips? One that allows chocolate wine and peanut butter?

Lovely birth story Mumofshortie
Oh Activity - really hope you don't have the arthritis... Hope it's just hormones lingering or something temporary.
MissP - am avoiding shopping like the ruddy plague at the moment for the same reason, but had to nip this afternoon as have visitors for dinner tomorrow. Bloomin half term.... Twas snided. And what is the bloody deal with filthy baby changing rooms? Honest to buggery I have no idea what some parents are doing in there, the way the poo gets smeared all over everywhere!!!! I'm carrying a bottle of anti-bac spray in the changing bag now. I didn't know Mamas and Papas had nursing rooms - I shall investigate the stores locally
Am still loving the BF at the moment, although she's bitten me a couple of times (well, gummed me hard would be more accurate). I'm not sure I'll cope with teeth.
Better go - by the sounds of it and the expression on her face, DD has just filled her nappy I think.

Own room - ds1 went into his own room at 7wks old and he never had a bottle in the night from that day and was sleeping 7pm-7am. Noah is still in our room because the spare room is full of junk (that hopefully we are going to try to empty a bit soon to get at least his cot in) and we don't want to put him in with ds1 just yet. I'm doing what you mentioned Ali, i woke him to feed him at 3am this morning because he'd not had a bottle since 7pm.

for the possible arthiritis Activity, hope all is ok with the tests.

We took ds1 to his 1st speech therapy appointment today. She basically said it was probably our fault for giving him a dummy why he can't pronounce certain letters/words properly. He still has a dummy for bed and she said she thinks it would be best if he didn't have it anymore and also if Noah has one we should take it off him too because it isn't fair on ds1 to see his baby brother with one. Noah isn't that interested in a dummy but he does like it to go to sleep with but it's straight out as soon as he's asleep. I know kids that have had a dummy til they were at school and can talk fine so i was a bit pi**ed off that she was blaming the dummy. Especially when we know he's got slight tongue tie but its not bad enough to do anything about at this age.

Oh and speaking of filthy baby changing rooms we went to KFC today and there was no bloody baby changing facilities. The disabled toilets normally have one of those fold down tables but there was none to be seen. However there was a nappy bin in there. I ended up using my fold away changing mat on the toilet floor

thanks ali
own room My other dcs were in their own rooms by 5 weeks and yes we all slept better that way. Alfie is only still in with us as it is a case of which is the worst of the 2 evils with us or with DD Incidentally for those of you who are BF the sids research didn't take into account the effect of breastfeeding and SIDS as it was part funded by formula companies. There have been some studies on these things done seperately which makes for interesting reading. As for NCT types, why do people have to blanket state things all the time why can't they accept that everyone and every child is different so differnt things work ok rant over

babysitters yes it gets harder with more dcs blue I just have to find more of them now and farm them out one/two at a time TBH I rarely go out so it's not a big issue for me.

dummy/speech Both of my dcs had dummies DD hardly used a dummy in hte day but has a speech disorder DS has his dummy all the time and certainly doesn't have a speech problem! They actually told me with DD that 9 times out of 10 they don't really know what causes speech issues.

ali hope bubs sleeps a bit better for you x

Will be gone for a few days now as off to be with my older dcs at my mothers...

apple hopefully things work out with the whole arthritis thing. I am a runner and I know my joints have been aching me all through pregnancy and now after as well. My doc told me that a lot of times it is hormone related. The same hormones that loosen you up to allow the baby to come through the birth canal, stay with you afterward. And because everything is loose, its easier to injure yourself, or it just puts more stress on your muscles causing them to ache.

MissP when you find that chocolate diet, let me know

LOVE the term weanie-meanies!! Got a good chuckle at that one!

jetli Marco has also bitten me quite hard a couple of times. The last time actually made me cry out, and I frightened the little bugger causing him to cry. Hopefully he learned that its not nice, since he hasn't done it since! I am not looking forward to when he gets teeth!! DD2 bit me once and actually drew blood. I ended up having to feed her with my finger poised in the corner of her month. As soon as she started to chomp down, I would gently stab her in the corner of the mouth with my fingernail and break the seal, and tell her "NO". I only had to do it twice and she never bit me again. Still... the memory makes me nervous!

*change rooms* I have gone places where there is no change table, so I usually use the area by the sink with my portable mat. Whats worse is when there is no chair in the public restrooms, so I have no where to sit and nurse. I was at a restaurant once and had to nurse DD2 whilst sitting on the loo! There was no where else and I didnt have a private enough table to do it in the actual restaurant. Dirty change areas just make me want to vomit!

BF Marco is STILL waking twice a night so I am completely shattered by 9pm. The older DC's tell me I'm grumpy and ask why I always want to nap on the sofa! LOL. If he would wake at 4am only, I could survive. But we put him down at 10pm and he wakes at 2am, which just about kills me. I find it easier to stay up until then rather than be woken at that time IYSWIM. The rice cereal is getting more and more tempting!

own room Marco still sleeps in his swing, which is downstairs in our living room. He has slept in my bed between the 2 feeds for the last few days simply because I am too tired to swaddle him and put him back in the swing. I really need to get him into his bassinette but am too tired to try! I will deal with that disaster when I have to!

Christiana- hope you feel a bit brighter soon. I have also been suffering with PND, have been on the meds now just over 2 months and feeling much more like my old self, was really horrible in the beginning though so I can imagine how you must be feeling too.

Activity- joints can be right moody buggers ! i hope yours settle down and you get the right drugs to settle things down. I've had rheumatoid arthritis for about 10 years now, was great all through this pregnancy but flared up when Charlie was about 2 weeks old. Am on new meds now so fingers crossed they get working- doesn't help that the wee chap is now like a sack of tatties as my elbows/wrists will testify !!!

*own room*- Bub's been in his own room for just over a week and we are all loving it ! He is far more settled (esp when DD is stomping around doing her one man band and naps through the day quite the thing in there. Result !

*Nappy changing*- have been trying out changing nappies on my knee, just like our mums used to do with us apparently, quite a skill with a wriggling, squirmy, poo-ey baby but practice makes perfect.

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Christiana- I was really restless & found sleep a struggle when I first started on Citalopram, have posted on Mental health board with some more details- don't want to hijack this thread !

christina DH just coming off citalopram. Had bizarre effects on sleep when going on and when coming off it. that said one of his symptoms of his depression was insomnia so his sleep couldn't get much more screwed up. Hope it settles. takes a few weeks to even out as far as I can tell but he'd know better than e. Been on them 18mths and doing much better so hope they help you too.

Morning all! Had some sleep last night! Amazing! dd2 starting with another cold tho so that's prob it for a while again. she's only just shook off the other one. Got this awful cough. Yuck! Off to the park later I hope and making "Shrinkles" - Anyone remember them? they're ace! (can't tell I was born in the 80s!)

Ali We are all fighting colds and a cough here too. As long as the swine flu misses us I'll be happy. The vaccine was released here this week and the line-ups to get it are 4-5 hours long... and thats just for the kids, pregnant women, and those with weakened immune systems. The general public can't get them til next week. As for the 'Shrinkles', here they were called "Shrinky Dinks" and I loved them as a kid!! I had no idea they were still around! LOL

So Marco has been so stuffy that he is not BF very well. He screams blue murder when we try and suction him with the 'snot sucker'. And I have already noticed a difference in my milk supply. We have been giving him bottles to supplement because we dont want him to starve, but at the same time, I have enough issues with my supply as it is. I am still taking the Domperidone to help me, but I dont want to increase my dosage. Sigh... hope the stuffiness is gone soon. To top it off, DD2 is now sick as well. At least all 6 of us did not get sick at once, but it feels like this cold is never going to leave our house. Soooooo tired.... zzzzzzzz!!!

Ugh it is cold season isn't it? Tristan has had a nasty cough/cold and has gone off his evening bottle for the past week. I am bit surprised as it is still breastmilk. I have been ebf him and I am soooo tired. Babies can't reject a bottle after having it ok for weeks - right?

I feel old compared to you girls...never heard for shrinkles (am a mid 70's born chick!) They look fun.

I am excited for Halloween. I have got some fairy cakes and will decorate with the DS1 and DD and as well as knocking for sweets we are going to knock at their friends homes and deliver the halloween fairy cakes. That's of course if it isn't raining men. The weather looks iffy.

Have a good evening everyone.