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March 2013 - 6 months down, 210 to go!(996 Posts)
Keep on rambling, ladies, we have a whole new thread to fill!
Ooo, we need a new thread! I've made us one here and will reply there.
Oh yes the healthy treats, I should have mentioned those. If the northern meet up happens you have got to ask Eco to bring her healthy honey flapjacky tray bake with her, and spelt pancakes for the little ones. Somewhere along the line Eco forgot to mention she is a seriously good cook! Unlike me who cooked nothing, although I did arrange things on a plate to look pretty-ish
As predicted we were up for a midnight snack or to be more accurate full bottle. Today she's having as much milk as she wants as I need an unbroken night. Sympathy Eco on the wonder week wakings. Not fun, but they do pass.
Right, all of you with ridiculously mobile babies (Something I'm looking at you). How do you manage nappy changes? The worselet has suddenly 'got crawling', and after a shaky start at the start of the week has today started zooming off at relatively high speed towards the most dangerous object in the room the second I set her down. I'd just about mastered pining her down with one hand to prevent rolling, but adding running off into the mix.... argghh. I'm too old for this!
hello hello. been awol because am in midst of a) Kent/Sussex Road trip and b) wonder week. I am feeding more overnight than newborn days. Gah! So, for that reason there was make up today! Concealer on the bags. eco baby has bags too which isn't a great baby look. The babies chatted about the indignity of being made to wear socks/having nappies changed/eat from a spoon. There wasn't cake becaus worse is more of a pork pie gal, although there was beautiful food. I took healthy sweet treats for Gerry (who doesn't look like she should be avoiding cake in the flesh) and spelt goodness for worselet and to my shame I absentmindedly packed them and took them Home again sorry ladies! I can report that mummies and babies are all gorgeous as you would expect from this thread! mini Gerry is great at yoga and worselet/ecobaby are going to form a tambourine/maraca based band.
My new phone is driving me insane so I'll be back in touch from laptop when I can get hands on one. Off to mil's tomorrow as we continue our girlie road trip.
meanwhile I'll remain of you lot who are on the fun side of the 37 week wonder. I'll be there with you at that midnight feed worse!
Ooh meeting sounds lovely. Did you wear makeup? Did the babies discuss the latest education figures? Was there ?
Worse may I suggest marmite rice cakes? DS went bananas for them.
Evening all - hope you are relaxing with or and all babies are peacefully sleeping in bed. I certainly am, although the sleeping baby bit is a bit of a lie. According to the intercom the baby is very much awake, but the DH is on shift, so that's ok then.
Plonk you're probably right, there is a bit of expectation management going on there with the food. She expects milk after her food, I give it to her. Something to work on I guess, although today after all my complaining she would appear to have gone on milk as well as food strike. I sense a nappy brewing. I also sense a midnight feed in the offing. Joy!
Had a ball today at the Kent meet up with the Gerry and Eco duos, so thank you to them that made the trek and allowed me to stay at home and not bother. Was lovely to see you, and the adorable minis. The worselet was agog at the wonder that is a tambourine. It was so cool she decided to steal it from eco-baby. Manners are obviously still on the list of things to learn, after eating. May take a while then.
Speaking of eating, either the mini's are very tidy eaters or the minis' mums are very stealthy tidy up-ers, as when I finally got round to opening the door on the chaos I found remarkably little of it!
Night all. Wishing you uneventful ones.
Worse I'd try not to worry about it, but I'm of the same school of parenting as Betty. DS is an adventurous eater but we've never forced anything on him - including dropping feeds.
However I do think its possible she's refusing food because she knows milk is always there. DS just has two bottles a day now but when we were on 3 or 4 the main thing I did differently to you was offering milk in between feeds. So no milk top up available. If he was pecking between meals he got a snack - fruit, biscotti, lumps of cheese etc. breakfast here tends to be 1 weetabix and a nibble of whatever's to hand but its an hour after his bottle.
It goes without saying that every baby's different, and I think this is probably just a case of trying everything - throw enough shit (ok, food) at the wall and see what sticks.
Stormy the worselet's day goes pretty much as follows.
Breakfast: usually something like banana on toast or an attempt at porridge, followed by up to a full bottle of milk. If I'm heading out I just give her milk as the alternative takes an age
Lunch: Some form of mush, with bread/rice cakes/wotsits. Whatever she'll eat really. Some days she'll eat more than others, but she does have a tendency to fill up on water. Milk wise anything from none to a full bottle. I only offer it if she really hasn't eaten much.
Mid afternoon: milk
Dinner: As lunch, but I am pushing a variety of finger foods now. Half a bottle of milk.
Bed: Full bottle.
I always offer food before milk, unless she is screaming with hunger. In the latter case anything other than milk results in me wearing it.
Betty good idea about the snack. I could do that with the afternoon feed even if we are out and about.
Thanks for all the reassurance. The thing about HVs they don't half know how to make you feel inadequate.... and don't get me started on the other mums. 'Oh Molly* loves her porridge and she's only 6 months. Yours is 9 months... and won't eat porridge???? .
* name changed for privacy purposes
I'm working on the basis that the worselet is of such extreme intelligence that food is just so not worth even bothering about. I mean why would you waste time chewing when you have the mathematical complexities of black holes to solve? You just wouldn't would you ?
I'm kidding by the way...
Crap I just deleted a whole post. Wors, my madam was an amazing eater and now only eats bread or things in disguise. She also still has 5 feeds a day. She has also gone from just above 50th to just below 91st centile. Don't worry about her getting fat, she's a baby and you're not feeding her McDonalds so she'll be fine. I'd go with the general consensus and let her eat what she will (within reason obviously although I did just give madam some ice cream ) and carry on with your milk feeds. Maybe change one of your milk feeds to a cup feed with a snack (baby wotsits and breadsticks) and give a bit less?
Obviously feel free to completely ignore me as my school of parenting is lax to say the least! I go with whatever stops me hiding in the downstairs loo (my pantry equivalent)!
Oh, worse, I feel your pain. Sending ethereal hugs your way. Gerry's right that stress doesn't help, but I can't say it ever made things worse here either, DD just wasn't interested regardless of whether I was smiling or crying. I too thought it would just be a case of putting food in front of baby and letting her get on with it. I guess that works with some babies, but certainly not all of them.
I suspect this will probably be one of those things you just have to wait out. Sooner or later she'll get the idea that food is for eating, and that it's good, but until then you can't force her. Can we have a look at a typical day's schedule for the worselet? Perhaps we could make some suggestions for rejigging things. We certainly didn't have much joy here with food until we figured out how to space things out for optimum hunger at mealtimes.
... and the result of reducing her milk...
Up three times last night, and a whole bottle drunk.
Back to the drawing board
Gerry thanks for making me laugh. Milk and peanut butter is pretty much my staple diet too and I'm a genius. Oh ok, maybe not, but hey... it's the internet... who's to know
I've not gone completely cold turkey - no milk at lunch, but half a feed at dinner, so she was down to 3 and a half milk feeds. Food wise lunch wasn't great, and dinner started as a hysterical scream-a-thon, so I cleaned her up, put her in the jumperoo and started again a bit later, this time with baby wotsists. She ate most of her shepherds pie from a wotsist rather than a spoon, and seemed happy, so that's a start. Last thing I want is her upset and stressed around food.
I'm grateful for all advice to be honest, as having sailed through most things so far, food is proving a challenge I have very little idea how to solve. I kind of had this naive view that you just had to give babies food and they would try it. How wrong I was
Worse- how did you reduce milk today? Did you try to cut a whole bottle and replace with food? Do you think the worselet has got the hang of the idea that food sates hunger? How many bottles/how much milk a day at the moment. With HVs, I tend to think that they are heading in the right direction, but they don't always know the best way to get there. If I were you (and this may be completely wrong!) I wouldn't cut any milk feeds, but I'd perhaps cut the volume of each bottle by a flozz a week? So she's just that tiny bit hungrier, keep offering food (and I have to say I'd go with whatever she'll eat within reason, just while she gets the hang of hunger=food instead of hunger=milk) You might barely notice her eating any more, but she might just get the hang of it really slowly. Alternatively I might be talking utter bollocks. Equally likely.
The other thing- and I'm aware that this is exactly the kind of advice that is likely to make you want to kill me, so perhaps I should wait til after tomorrow... Try not to stress, because rainbow is right that it should be fun. Do you remember me telling you about my cousin who was head-hunted by some big bank, after a first in maths from Warwick, and is on some ridiculous starting salary? He also eats absolutely everything, and runs marathons. And survived on milk and peanut butter sandwiches until he snapped out of it age 3. God knows what the HV was saying to my aunt, but I doubt it was "he's going to be hugely clever, successful and healthy when he's 23".
You could be right Rainbow but I do need to do something to fill dd up, as she's gone from 50th to 75th centile really very quickly, so is obviously getting too much milk and not enough fruit and veg! Nothing wrong with healthy growth, but she can't continue on that trajectory.
I did actually make some muffins at the weekend! They weren't a success with anyone other than the dogs though . Next time no banana. Banana and I don't get on on so many levels.
worse I'm not so convinced on the cutting down of milk if your little one is not into food yet. I subscribe to the food being for fun until one. Lots of parents I have talked too have said their little ones didn't get into food properly until well past 12 months. In any case I would go with your instinct on the milk thing. We still ebf on demand and it wouldn't occur to me to not feed milk as and when DD wanted it - I know breastmilk substitutes are different in that you are controlling quantity but presumably your little one still drinks their fill of how much they want so don't imagine it's different in that respect.
Also, if your little one likes bread based things I would really recommend making muffins packed with stuff like grated carrot and courgette or apple or spinach (any combo really - I have also used parsnips and aubergine too and sometimes add grated cheese). You can use gluten free flour and then you also know they contain no salt or sugar. I have used various flours like wholewheat, spelt and coconut flour. They take hardly any time to make and I make mini ones and they freeze beautifully.
Ok, it's official I can't do this food thing. I'm really stressed. Just seen the HV who has told me 1. cut the milk out. 2. cut the bread out. 3. give her pieces of fish, meat, fruit and veg.
So I've done all that, she has eaten nothing, and is now screaming with hunger. So I'm making her banana on toast against everything I have been told because I can't take the crying.
I know HV aren't all that, but she has a point, because at 9 months milk really does need to be reduced, and the bread based food is probably what is causing dd's eczema.
And the next person who tells me they have just served up a full roast dinner which has been consumed with gusto, will be punched. Ok!!!
Mug bleaching - it's what you do when you have white mugs, a DH who drinks black tea and leaves the dregs to dry on, and some visitors coming. There comes a point when stains start to look like they might actually be growing.... that's the point the bleach comes out!
Worse Only three days? That's a mighty speedy clean up there.
I'm still driving my vw polo and dp is trying to convince me to get rid of it and get 'something more sensible'. In my defence I can fit a weeks food shop, DS and the buggy in with room to spare, so I think we should just get a dog (Betty we were admiring your dog last night, I want her!) anyway, his motives are more than a little suspect - he wants me to have his sensible car and trade mine in so he can get a 2 dearer death trap.
Eco buying Christmas involved a few handmade tree decorations, lunch out and wrapping paper from oxfam. Not the best effort but I did feel festive afterwards.
We're slowly progressing back to normal sleep and last night was perfect really, just had to pop in twoce to say shh. But these bloody teeth! He's got three on top all fighting for liebensraum.
Betty enjoy your loverly break, try not to think about the mountain of crap, it'll start getting smaller soon!
pud how did the practice run go? Your mum will manage fine - remember, she's done the baby thing before!
Bleaching cups involves putting bleach in cups to get them sparkly clean, I believe. It's not something we do in this house. Tea tastes better when the mug's all black and crusty. I do get the soda crystals out every couple of years though.
pud good luck with the overnight away! We have a wedding in December to attend but I'm not comfortable leaving DD even for an evening with anyone yet - I'm terrified of disrupting her bedtime routine which still works perfectly. Plus DD has never spent any time away from me and DH and just would worried she would not understand if suddenly we went away. However we have planned some lovely daytime alone time on our week off like going out for lunch and going to the cinema and I am so looking forward to that - we won't be leaving DD for more than 3 hours. She has only gone once without seeing one of us for that long though!
eco do you know what the advantage of using backpack carriers over soft structured slings on your back? Are they more comfortable on long walks?
Meetup sounds like so much fun - I am in north yorkshire if we ever do a northern one! worse bleaching cups?! How does one do that? Although tbh I would probably elect for a cup of tea on the sofa to add to the stains rather than doing anything about it if I had the spare moment!
Hey guys. Just popping in while I have breakfast quietly on my own downstairs in an effort not to wake the boys.
Had my mum over for dinner last night and a practice run at bedtime
and running our stupid house ahead of Thursday - our first night off together since he was born. Feel a little guilty that we're throwing her in at the deep end as we are out overnight, but hope it will all go smoothly. as it'd be nice to think she might do it again someday!
Wors he must be bonkers. I'm driving a small bus these days (with 2 extra folded up seats hidden in the massive boot) and even that is full with just one dog and one baby!
Stormy that sounds like a well earned rest. Yay!
Betty Center Parcs again! Now I want to go. If it's good enough to go twice... With you on the crap though. DH has decided our (sensible) car needs to be replaced, because it is a) knackered and b) burns more petrol than can be justified either environmentally or economically. His first choice is (wait for it) something without an enormous boot. Why??? Just why? It's not just baby stuff, we have 2 dogs.... Huge sigh
Eco spitting and throwing food you say? Well she'll fit right in then! On the basis I have just cleaned puréed carrot off the wall, I'm guessing the table manners here aren't anything to aspire to either. The fact puréed carrot hasn't been on the menu for at least 3 days is something we will gloss over.
Quiet weekend here, as given the worselet is snotty, and I am snottier we decided it would probably be best to stay inside in the warm. I have however cleared the washing and ironing mountain, sorted out the mess that was my wardrobe and in honour of the MN meet up have bleached the mugs . So there you have it, you guys are on a par in importance with my MIL
On that note, night all!
Wow Stormy, sounds like a proper break! I'd love a lazy day, at the moment my idea of bliss is checking myself into a hotel and eating dinner in bed while watching TV, having a bath, reading a book and then sleeping all night. Mmmm.
I am just about to jump in a hot bath though and then pack for our second trip to Center Parcs in 3 months! Once again I'm astounded by the amount of crap we need!
eco I did better, I had a lie in until half past twelve. Although I did wake at 6.30 for a pee, and at 8.45 when my dad was ringing the doorbell (hadn't taken his keys). My favourite parts were: food just happening without me having to think about it or cook it or ask anyone else to cook it (one of my dad's friends was also staying so between us there was always someone there, and she cooked); being able to smoke inside; staying up until half past one in the morning and not having to worry about being woken up! And I didn't get home until just gone three this afternoon, DD's having a nap, and in a few hours she'll be off to bed, so easy day for me.
Christmas shopping's really going to have to happen soon, isn't it? Arse and buggeration.
Plonky I have a little life traveller. Mine too was £40 off of gumtree. I like it. Ecobaby adores it; never a grumpy moment in it. I struggle to carry her far as it all feels a bit prolapsed afterwards but you are probably better with your exercises! DH carries her no problem in it. I use it but not for longer than half an hour. If I could choose another I'd go for one with some accessible pockets (on the waistband for example which I have seen) because if you are on your own you can't get to your own pockets because of the waist belt and you can't carry another bag. There is a storage bag at the base of it but you can't access that whilst you are wearing it, but it's fine for food, nappies etc, just not for keys, purse, mobile, lipstick etc. Also, I love the sun and rain shades that tuck inside the bag just in case; really handy to get one with those. If possible when you buy it try it on with a baby in it! As DH is out he has left me 4 choc eclairs. I wouldn't dream of attending any sorty of meet up without them
unless it's with worse and gerry who are healthy Did you buy Christmas? Is there a box on a shelf somewhere that says 'Christmas'? All you needed in one bespoke package. How convenient that's be for us mothers with babies. We have 2 choc advent calendars and a terrible santa's elf onsie for ecobaby so far so please tell me where I can buy such a package.
Worse the rice cakes are a hit here too. So popular are they that they get the legs doing the excited froggy kicks. But not because she wants to eat them. Oh no! Because she likes to bite a chink off and then spit it on the floor. Repeat until it's all gone in the style of a beaver. Lovely. I also had asparagus thrown at me with a big grin. You sure you want to meet us!
Gerry it sounds like you have had a lovely weekend so far. And there's still half of it left!
Something I am for you. That makes no sense. Are you continuing the dialogue with them? Does your boss have children? I fear some that don't just don't get it.
Betty bun and coffee in waitrose? You are living the dream! I think if you have a Waitrose card you get free coffee. Hot tip there. How was your girlie day in the end? Great jumperoo action btw. Ecobaby does high impact star jump in hers and I sometimes think she's going to ping out.
Stormy hope that you have fun girlie times too. And a lie in until at least 0900. Oh how brilliant would that be?! Fingers crossed.
So, it's saturday night and we've just had one of DH's friends over for post-football defeat dinner and they've now run away to a London Grammar gig. I'm not cool enough to know who they are. But I do know they're from Nottingham like all the cool cats I am therefore home alone. To Ryan or not to Ryan, that is the question.
Plonk I've got a little life cross country (got it second hand for £40) and I loves it! We don't climb mountains with it but its handy for taking to places without much buggy room and on dog walks plus dD loves being up high and seeing all the trees and leaves at the moment.
DH had volunteered for extra work today (I don't mind as he's off next week) so it's a lazy girly day here.
I hope everyone's having fun, we're off for a coffee and a bun in waitrose.
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