Can't believe English Democrats broadcast!

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ihatehousework2 Mon 12-May-14 19:09:13

I have just seen this on BBC 1. I think all parties have a right to broadcast but I would ask they put forward a reasonable amount of election policies in their broadcast before they air it! I felt it was just a bit condescending to 'Joe public' because it was a bit basic. Anyone else agree?

claig Mon 12-May-14 22:01:06

Agree with you. Watched it on BBC iplayer, it was very basic.

thegambler Mon 12-May-14 22:20:03

Was it not a a parody ? Loved the Land of St George reference at the end given that they wouldn't have let him in.

ihatehousework2 Mon 12-May-14 22:48:49

Oh yeah, legend says he was part Turkish? Good point!

claig Mon 12-May-14 22:56:51

He wasn't Turkish. The Turks were not in what is now called Turkey at that time. They arrived later on.

ihatehousework2 Tue 13-May-14 07:57:51

claig oh heck..... Best get onto to Jack Straw! Lol.

"St George the Turkish Arab
Today is St George's Day, but many other countries and cities also have this early Christian as a patron saint.

Jack Straw, Monday 23 April 2007 12.15 BST
He was born in Turkey; his mother was Palestinian. He's so multicultural we have to share him with Lithuania, Portugal, Germany, Greece, Georgia, Moscow, Istanbul, Beirut - and Palestine itself. If he ever came to England, it wasn't for long. Welcome to the world of Saint George, patron saint of England, whom we celebrate today, April 23 - the same day, by astonishing coincidence, that we celebrate the birth of the giant of English literature, William Shakespeare."

ballsballsballs Tue 13-May-14 08:15:27

I cracked up when the song mentioned Adrian's wall.

claig Tue 13-May-14 09:02:08

ihatehousework2, the Guardian title of Jack Straw's article gives the wrong impression. It seems to imply that Saint George was Turkish, and he was not.

Look at wikipedia

"Saint George (Greek: Γεώργιος (Georgios), Classical Syriac: ܓܝܘܪܓܝܣ (Giwargis), Latin: Georgius; c. 275/281 – 23 April 303 AD), born in Lydda, Roman Palestine, was a soldier in the Roman army and was later venerated as a Christian martyr. His father was Gerontius, a Greek Christian from Cappadocia, and an official in the Roman army. His mother, Polychronia was a Christian from Roman Palestine.[3] Saint George became an officer in the Roman army in the Guard of Diocletian. In hagiography, Saint George is one of the most venerated saints in the Catholic (Western and Eastern Rites), Anglican, Eastern Orthodox, and the Oriental Orthodox churches. He is immortalized in the tale of Saint George and the Dragon and is one of the Fourteen Holy Helpers. His memorial is celebrated on 23 April (May 06), and he is regarded as one of the most prominent military saints."

And from wikipedia aboutTurkey and when the Turks migrated to the Turkey, much later than when St George lived.

"The Seljuk Turks began migrating into the area in the 11th century, starting the process of Turkification, which was greatly accelerated by the Seljuk victory over the Byzantines at the Battle of Manzikert in 1071.[16] The Seljuk Sultanate of Rûm ruled Anatolia until the Mongol invasion in 1243, upon which it disintegrated into several small Turkish beyliks.

Starting from the late 13th century, the Ottoman beylik united Anatolia and created an empire encompassing much of Southeastern Europe, Western Asia and North Africa, becoming a major power in Eurasia and Africa during the early modern period. After the Ottoman Empire collapsed following its defeat in World War I, parts of it were occupied by the victorious Allies. The Turkish War of Independence, initiated by Mustafa Kemal Atatürk and his colleagues, resulted in the establishment of the modern Republic of Turkey in 1923, with Atatürk as its first president."

claig Tue 13-May-14 09:12:35

There are political reasons why we are spun and are nearly always given a false impression about Saint George and why most of the public are not made aware of the truth, but later on in the Wikipedia article, the truth is spelt out in clearer detail

"It is likely that Saint George was born to a Greek Christian noble family in Lydda in Palestine, during the late third century between about 275 AD and 285 AD. He died in the Greek city of Nicomedia in Asia Minor. His father, Gerontios, was a Greek from Cappadocia, an officer in the Roman army; and his mother, Polychronia, was a Greek native of Lydda. They were both Christians from noble families of the Anici, so their child was raised with Christian beliefs. They decided to call him Georgios (Greek), meaning "worker of the land" (i.e., farmer). At the age of fourteen, George lost his father; a few years later, George's mother, Polychronia, died.[12][13][14][15] Eastern accounts give the names of his parents as Anastasius and Theobaste."

Isitmebut Tue 13-May-14 10:08:37

Claig .... a right wing party with no policies huh, I can't think what is worse, other than promising something that you cannot deliver. Nudge, nudge, wink, wink.

Re England's patron St. George...I fear where you are going with this .... if he gets the most votes in the EU elections ..... will you then state that 'the people' want by popular demand, to change our patron saint to .............St. Nigel (of Farage)?lol

claig Tue 13-May-14 10:16:27

'will you then state that 'the people' want by popular demand, to change our patron saint to .............St. Nigel (of Farage)?'

No, the people just want a world statesman like Nigel to be our Prime Minister. There is only one George who comes close to Saint George, and that is Prince George.

ballsballsballs Tue 13-May-14 10:43:04

World statesman?

None of this shower, frankly, have the stature to be 'world statesman', and that includes Farage.

claig Tue 13-May-14 10:53:41

ballsballsballs, have you forgotten when Farage said "the EU has blood on its hands" over Ukraine? The shower would never have been allowed to say such a thing. Farage is different class, he is no ass, he refuses to participate in the farce.

Isitmebut Tue 13-May-14 10:55:17

Claig ... Hmmmm "world statesmen".....I clearly got the level of 'hero-worship' spot on, but saint was a either pedestal too far (even for you), or you are s-l-o-w-l-y coming to realize that when your hero is still banging on about Ukip bringing the UK out of the EU - when they 100% can not - he is not only lumped in with every other politician you despise, with a 100% non delivery score-on-the-door, he is actually worse.

ballsballsballs Tue 13-May-14 11:15:52

Claig, even a stopped clock is right twice a day. And it's easy to make pronouncements when there are no policies other than 'get out of the EU'.

Farage, while nobly refusing to take part in the 'farce' of the EU, is more than happy to take its dollar. If his party get more EU seats we'll have less influence than we have now, as his MEPs don't take part in debates.

claig Tue 13-May-14 11:21:51

'even a stopped clock is right twice a day'

Then why is Cleggy never right?

'If his party get more EU seats we'll have less influence than we have now, as his MEPs don't take part in debates.'

No, we will have begun the journey of getting out and regaining our sovereignty. The shower will scream and holler but the people think Farage is top dollar, and deserves every penny he gets!

claig Tue 13-May-14 11:28:56

Some recent headlines from the Daily Mail. The shower won't mention these things. They can't. Some of them are almost jobsworths. Farage is no jobsworth, and that is why every penny he is paid, he is worth.

'EU to bug every car in UK with tracker chips – and Ministers admit they are powerless to stop the Big Brother technology'

'The medical experts who refuse to use low-energy lightbulbs in their homes: Professors have stocked up on old-style bulbs to protect against skin cancer and blindness'


"Dermatologist Professor Hawk acknowledges the efforts to improve the bulbs by providing clouded glass domes.

'But we are not sure how improved they are,' he says.

He has been trying to lobby the EU to lift its ban on incandescent bulbs.

'I have talked to the committee on light safety in Brussels about these concerns, but no one there seems to be interested in this,' he says.

'The EU was trying to be green by introducing CFLs, but they did not think of the health consequences. They are very reluctant to reverse its policies.'

claig Tue 13-May-14 11:35:45

'Ministers admit they are powerless to stop the Big Brother technology'

And that, sadly, is not the onlything they are powerless to stop.

That is why people are turning to Farage and UKIP and away from the shower.

There is a choice between the "party of in", "the party of spin", the shower and the party that wants the people to win.

Cometh the hour, where is the shower?

Isitmebut Tue 13-May-14 11:36:04

Claig … re your Farage quote “the EU has blood on it’s hands”; I will agree with you that Farage is outspoken, which clearly resonates with the masses, but how does having a big Ukip gob help British interests within the EU if the majority of our regional MEP’s are both moulded from Farage and tarred with the same brush?

As I have explained in the link below, without a Conservative majority in 2015, the UK WILL STAY IN THE EU for many years to come, so we no longer need gobby yobs representing us on £78k a year, £3,500 a month ‘allowances’ paid into Farages pocket whether he claims it or not, plus other office expenses – we need MEP’s from the mainstream parties who WORK for our interests.

If people want to ‘protest’ against Labour and the Conservatives for one reason or another, do what you used to do, vote for a Lib Dem MEP, who at least WANT to be in Brussels and have a record of working for our interests.

BTW Claig, you forgot to mention the rest of Farage’s comments on the Ukraine (and Syria), where he shows admiration for Russia’s Putin.

UK ‘statesman’ sucking up to Russia is not new, the UK had Blair and his ‘sofa cabinet’ with Mandelson promoting their interests and the olag…oleg…olygar….those multi-billion Russians.

P.S. re that Daily Mail article, was your point Farage DID something about it, or was he still posturing out there in England trying to get MEP votes on a false premise, with his main object, Ukip seats in Westminster?????

Isitmebut Tue 13-May-14 11:48:04

Claig ....aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaargh...there you go AGAIN, accussing all other political parties of "spin", but as there is NO WAY on Farage's green earth that UKip can bring the UK out of the EU............ what do you call Ukip campaigning on a 100% lie, IF NOT A SPUN LIE????

claig Tue 13-May-14 11:48:38

'I will agree with you that Farage is outspoken'

Farage is no puppet. He tells Van Rompuy what he thinks. He tells the people what he thinks. He is not afraid of the bureaucrats and bigwigs and the great and the good. He is not like the some of the shower.

Farage wants to take us out of the EU so that we can help ourselves and make our own laws instead of being "powerless to stop Big Brother technology" and all the other things the Brusels bureaucrats and elites want to impose on us and have rubberstamped by some of the shower.

'vote for a Lib Dem MEP, who at least WANT to be in Brussels and have a record of working for our interests.'

I knew you liked making jokes, but that one beats the great Jonathan Swift for sarcastic wit.

'UK ‘statesman’ sucking up to Russia is not new'

It is not new, but it is not something that Farage would do. Sucking up is not part of his DNA. He is different to some of the shower. He believes in "straight talking" as is sometimes stated on UKIP posters.

claig Tue 13-May-14 11:53:30

"but as there is NO WAY on Farage's green earth that UKip can bring the UK out of the EU"

You have fallen for what the spinners and some of the shower say and spray. They say there is no hope, that nothing can be done, that we have "passed the tipping point", that we are all doomed.

But the public don't believe it. They will turn out to vote because they still have hope and they believe that where there is a Farage, there is a way.

We're not done, we've only begun and we will confound the shower if the results show that we have won.

claig Tue 13-May-14 12:01:21

"Labour is failing to make up any ground on Ukip ahead of next week’s European elections. A new poll from Sky News and YouGov today says that Labour’s support has dropped to 25 per cent, while Ukip remain comfortably in first place with 31 per cent of the vote "

The people aren't stupid. The shower thought they were. The people can't all be wrong.

Isitmebut Tue 13-May-14 12:06:23

So "Farage wants to take us out of the EU" excuses his lying to the British public about what a vote for Ukip can achieve to that end?

How is promising something you KNOW you cannot deliver, "straight Farage talking?"

The 'art of politics' uses political methods to get things done; it might take time, but opening your mouth in a provocative way to get votes, achieves nothing tangible, but can get in the way of progress behind the scenes by good will of all parties, if the change at least makes common sense.

In conclusion; a vote for Ukip on the 22nd and in 2015 will NOT change policies within the EU, it will NOT bring the UK out of the EU but can STOP the UK from getting a referendum in 2017 - so much for the United Kingdom Independence Party and Farage's motives for his party 'to do what it sez on the can'.

ironmaiden999 Tue 13-May-14 12:10:57

Claig. I thought St. George was a Palestinian? Am I wrong?

I loved the song by the English Democrats, I agree the broadcast was basic, and to the point grin

claig Tue 13-May-14 12:15:22

ironmaiden999, I think he was born on Palestine, in Lydda, of Greek Christian parents who were subjects of the Roman Empire.

We are fed lots of propaganda about St George by our spinners for political reasons.

Isitmebut Tue 13-May-14 12:15:43

Does 31% of 'the people's' votes for a Ukip MEP on a EU jolly, within a parliament they sneer at and don't want to exist, on a fantastic remuneration package - actually CHANGE BRITISH LAW our EU membership is now enshrined within - as if it can't (and it cannot) then those people are wrong IF that is the reason for voting for Ukip's policies, rather than Farage's gob.

A nice £78k remuneration package for any jobsworth, especially when no one expects you to be constructive in the workplace.

BoulevardOfBrokenSleep Tue 13-May-14 12:18:40

Ah, claig, you're back! There were several ukip threads running over the weekend you didn't contribute to. I was worried you were ill. (Or namechanged, but I think we'd recognise you grin)

claig Tue 13-May-14 12:19:48

'A nice £78k remuneration package for any jobsworth, especially when no one expects you to be constructive in the workplace.'

UKIP MEPs only get paid the same salary as any other MEP, and a bonus is that UKIP MEPs are not jobsworths.

Isitmebut Tue 13-May-14 12:21:32

Ask the 31% of voters you mention, how many believe Farage's spin, that Ukip can bring the UK out of the EU - as if the majority of them say they KNOW he cannot, you have a point - but if they believe UKip can, you are worshipping a false god, Claig.

claig Tue 13-May-14 12:22:54

'There were several ukip threads running over the weekend you didn't contribute to'

I saw them, but did not have time to correct all the errors which the shower are aiming to spread amongst the populace. There is just over a week left, and so far, try as they may, the shower is failing and the public will have its say.

ironmaiden999 Tue 13-May-14 12:23:16

Farage has brought the referendum issue to the table, it can no longer be ignored. This was his endgame and he achieved that.

Farage is not a career politician, why on earth would he put up with the barrage of abuse he's had (both verbally and physically, from the thuggish left) if he did not believe we could exit the EU. If he was not sincere?

What's on it for Farage? He's been campaigning for 20 years to get us out
the Octopus they call the EU, he's passionate about that, he genuinely cares about the people of this country, unlike the other three parties who are all a shower of shite, elitist career politicians.

Nothing will stop UKIP's peoples army, onwards and upwards I say!

I will wine to that!

claig Tue 13-May-14 12:29:37

wine and cheers to Farage who is probably downing a pint of something other than milk as we speak!

ironmaiden999 Tue 13-May-14 12:29:53

isitmebut. The false gods' are the following; Cameron, Miliband, Clegg.

Although I must say I would not put Clegg in the arena of a 'man' let alone a god! smile

ironmaiden999 Tue 13-May-14 12:30:34


ironmaiden999 Tue 13-May-14 12:33:12

Claig. UKIP's so popular how on earth can we answer all the questions those on MN are putting out to us! grin

Isitmebut Tue 13-May-14 12:38:31

ironmaiden999 .... The Conservative's pulled themselves apart on this issue in 1997 and Labour's immigration policy and the financial crash in 2007 that PROVED one currency/interest rate was a liability in a crisis - brought this to a head.

If you want to claim Farage did it all, then fine, I'll give him wet kiss credit if he NOW does what is right to get the UK a referendum, which he isn't.

Farage does not have a 326 seat majority in Westminster to even BEGIN the process of changing UK law - he has ZERO seats and this country cannot wait however long it takes for Farage to get a Westminster - and if Farage thinks he CAN get 326 seats in 2015, he's a bigger self serving wally than even I think he is.

Back off allow a 2017 Referendum or ensure the UK does not get a say on our EU Membership for a decade or more - and ensure Labour does not get another crack at cracking the economy.

A vote for Ukip in 2015 is a vote for a Labour administration, with or without the Lib Dems in another 'fun' coalition.

claig Tue 13-May-14 12:38:58

The answer lies in the polls. Those are what the spinners and the shower consult day and night and those are what is giving them a terrible fright.

The polls don't lie, even though some of the shower do.

They have run out of ideas, they told us they were all ears, some of them claimed bath plugs off us for years, so now they will be drowning their sorrows in beers.

TheHammaconda Tue 13-May-14 12:57:07

They have run out of ideas, they told us they were all ears, some of them claimed bath plugs off us for years, so now they will be drowning their sorrows in beers.

If Nigel Farage raps this in the next UKIP PPB I might just consider thinking about voting UKIP grin

ihatehousework2 Tue 13-May-14 14:07:11

Ooo, don't get them started on that point! He's a multicultural icon?!

ihatehousework2 Tue 13-May-14 14:07:47

That was for ironmaiden99!

ihatehousework2 Tue 13-May-14 14:09:14

DH still thinks a common sense party would do well?

Isitmebut Tue 13-May-14 14:25:57

Claig .... if the polls = competence, the last Labour administration wouldn't have 100-seat Westminster majorities plus, to do their long term damage to the economic and social structure of this country.

As to Ukip receiving £78k salary and £3,500 a month 'bath plug' money, whether an MEP claims it or not - lets see what value we get out of the highly paid 'Swampy' protesters, making sure Britain's interests are put first, in theory prerequisite for electing them;

"Ukip MEPs are laziest in Europe, missing a third of debates as Cameron warns UK needs politicians who will 'turn up'
"Ukip ranked bottom in league table of 76 parties from across the EU"

"On average its MEPs turned up for just 61.1% of votes over five years"

"Lib Dems best UK party with more than 3 MEPs, attending 87% of votes"

• David Cameron says European Parliament elections 'do matter'

Isitmebut Tue 13-May-14 14:29:46

Ukip MEP's are no doubt still playing with their ....."bath plugs" instead of getting their wet ar$es out of the tub to vote.

Isitmebut Tue 13-May-14 14:33:25

£3,500 gives you a "bath plug" for every occasion ...including putting it in ones gob quickly, when having something racist or homophobic to say.

Isitmebut Tue 13-May-14 14:41:37

£3,500 a month pays for a photo-shoot - where Farage surrounds himself with 'token' ethnic groups and says FORGET 20-years of racism, where the issue of what muslim women wear over their faces is more important in a General Election than the issues - LOOK at my £3,500 photo instead, it PROVES we are not. Guffaw.

If any other party had done that, Farage would have thrown the sceptical kitchen sink at that farce, never mind it's sink plug.

ironmaiden999 Tue 13-May-14 14:44:37

ihatehousework. I'm glad you agree he's a multicultural icon, too true. Did you see him with all his ethnic candidates, this demigod now appeals to all!

Ooh…... don't you go all of a shiver at he mere mention of his name!

ihatehousework2 Tue 13-May-14 14:53:56

Ironmaiden99 - I'm completely lost on this thread! I'm still sinking under the politics discussed under my initial comment. The icon comment was actually re: st. George! Ha! I sent it just as isitmebut sent theirs! Perhaps I should get back to being a politics hermit and crawl under my complete lack of politics understanding.

slug Tue 13-May-14 14:58:56

BNP A party with so few ideas they had to repeat them all twice to fill in a 3 minute party political boradcast.

DH and I were howling with laughter at "No Sharia Law" and "Adrian's Wall"

SaskiaRembrandtWasFramed Tue 13-May-14 15:13:53

We had an English Democrat for mayor - he was useless.

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