AIBU To ask what party do you vote for?

(170 Posts)
Goldchilled7up Tue 06-Nov-12 21:06:46

I feel that a high percentage of mumneters vote labour. I do, what about you?

chuckeyegg Tue 06-Nov-12 21:20:35

Labour voter here. smile

noisytoys Tue 06-Nov-12 21:32:07

I'm 25 so I have voted twice in a general election

1st vote: labour
2nd vote: lib dem (wasted vote. Very angry they sold out to Tories)
Subsequent votes: labour. Now member of Labour Party

Jinsei Tue 06-Nov-12 21:47:50

Labour voter here. Have considered green or Lib Dem previously but always go back to Labour in the end. Would not consider Lib Dem again, for obvious reasons.

Was labour, now green.

Proudnscary Tue 06-Nov-12 21:54:31

Labour <Champagne socialist but don't care>

AnyaKnowIt Tue 06-Nov-12 21:55:19

Labour

Proudnscary Tue 06-Nov-12 21:55:38

Would never have voted Lib Dem even before the Unholy Alliance. Boy was I right. So anyway Obama or Romney?

Bingdweller Tue 06-Nov-12 21:56:35

Live in Scotland, labour voter here although never a Tony Blair fan. Have voted LD in the past but never again. Not a supporter of SNP either, in fact, every time Alex Salmond is on the telly my 5yr old refers to him as "tattie heid"!

Bajas Tue 06-Nov-12 21:56:39

Labour and definitely Obama!

noisytoys Tue 06-Nov-12 21:57:43

Obama. I don't want to live in this world under Romney (even if I do live thousands of miles away from USA)

Goldchilled7up Tue 06-Nov-12 21:58:31

So I was right then, so far labour wins smile

As for the US Obama, obviously grin

Proudnscary Tue 06-Nov-12 22:00:30

<high fives noisytoys>

ShiftyFades Tue 06-Nov-12 22:03:32

I have changed several times. I read the manifestos and decide which one I think is best for the country.
I listened, with great interest, to the live debates.
I will always vote for the best for the UK. Looks / personality don't matter to me, policy does.
Hth grin

ItsAllGoingToBeFine Tue 06-Nov-12 22:03:32

I can't keep track of UK v Scottish elections v council but

Lib Dems
Lib Dems/SSP
SNP/SNP
SNP/Greens

I think smile

mrskeithrichards Tue 06-Nov-12 22:04:55

Snp Scottish

Labour U.K.

OldMumsy Tue 06-Nov-12 22:06:50

I would say most here are Labour or LibDem. I am a UKIP voter.

cardibach Tue 06-Nov-12 22:07:20

Labour/Plaid Cymru.
Obama if they would let me (although he is too far right really).

Piccalilli2 Tue 06-Nov-12 22:07:25

Labour. Always have, always will.

Whoever I feel is most capable. I have voted for several different parties over the years.

VernonSmith Tue 06-Nov-12 22:08:36

Am I the sole MN lifelong Conservative voter? (It feels that way most of the time grin).

MrsBungleBear Tue 06-Nov-12 22:09:02

Labour in general elections and local elections.

OldMumsy Tue 06-Nov-12 22:11:52

Vernon I used to be but I have given up on them.

degutastic Tue 06-Nov-12 22:13:42

No vernon, I'm a lifelong tory too.

SinisterBuggyMonth Tue 06-Nov-12 22:22:54

Labour every time

GirlWithTheMouseyHair Tue 06-Nov-12 22:27:30

Have lost all faith in our political parties so in the future will be voting solely based on who I think would be best as my local MP.

I live in America now and gutted I can't vote - it is seriously scary how close this is going to be!!

VernonSmith Tue 06-Nov-12 22:33:36

Pleased to meet you, degutastic.

I think I originally voted for the UK Communist Party, then the Socialist Workers or Socialist Labour Party or something, can't remember exactly, then it was Labour a few times.

Then came Iraq, and I will not vote for Labour again until they lose the entire generation of politicians who participated in that scandal.

So now I vote Green Party.

weegiemum Tue 06-Nov-12 22:37:53

In last few I've gone SNP. I live in Glasgow. They're more left wing than labour but have a chance of getting in.

Last general election I stood in the ballot box, undecided between SNP and LibDem. I went SNP. I'm so glad I wasn't party to the Unholy Alliance!

Oh and I voted for that independent female candidate for the London Mayor Elections last time.

Ridiculous considering I can't remember her name now.

Whoknowswhocares Tue 06-Nov-12 22:40:14

Has been different over time depending on which cretins are screwing up when. They've all done as badly as each other and are all completely untrustworthy, money grabbing and incompetent so I don't want to vote for any of them now.

BoakFace Tue 06-Nov-12 22:41:28

There are lots of champagne socialists on mumsnet.

People who admit to voting conservative get attacked on most political threads.

EuroShagmore Tue 06-Nov-12 22:41:57

Tory.

We are a MN minority.

GreenShadow Tue 06-Nov-12 22:42:36

I don't vote for a party, but for a candidate.

Over the last 10/20 years, I have voted for candidates from all 3 main parties at General Elections plus independents at local elections.

TuppenceBeresford Tue 06-Nov-12 22:47:11

Labour and Obama!

Woozley Tue 06-Nov-12 22:50:20

Labour, but only as the slightly lesser of several evils. Still, Romney makes Cameron almost look acceptable. Glad I live here not the US.

MrsApplepants Tue 06-Nov-12 23:00:41

Tory. Another member of the minority here smile

CaliforniaLeaving Tue 06-Nov-12 23:06:20

When I lived in UK I voted Tory. Now I'm in the US I voted Obama. When we move back to UK I think I'll have to re think everything. Not sure if I'm still Tory or not.

hiddenhome Tue 06-Nov-12 23:06:37

I'm not able to classify myself, so I no longer vote. I dislike them all tbh. I'm probably socialist at heart, but I loathe the labour party, so cannot possibly support them.

Jinsei Tue 06-Nov-12 23:16:15

I really struggle to understand anyone who would support Romney. It's scary to think that he could be the next US president.

Alisvolatpropiis Tue 06-Nov-12 23:21:29

I'd never vote Labour (something of a rarity in Wales) but will not reveal who I did vote for.

I'd vote Obama if American. He's not delivered on a lot of policies but he is at least sane. A charge you could never lay at Romney's door. utter fucking mad man

nancy75 Tue 06-Nov-12 23:22:59

The last election I voted lib dem, based on the lib dem candidate being the only one that actually lived in my borough, not that it mattered because I live in a true blue Tory stronghold. In the mayoral elections I voted for Boris, it was a vote against ken livingstone rather than a vote for Boris.

nancy75 Tue 06-Nov-12 23:24:27

I would vote Obama if in the USA, Romney is too much like a snake oil salesman for my liking, and the Mormonism bothers me.

I used to flutter between Labour and Lib Dem but the former messed up so badly with Iraq and ID cards that I loathe them and the Lib Dems got into bed with the Tories so they are out. I couldn't vote Tory if my life depended on it Scottish parents even though my local MP was Conservative and wonderful, helpful and even Red Ken thought he was a stand up bloke.

Am in Canada now and I vote locally but also never the Conservatives.

LibrarianByDay Tue 06-Nov-12 23:30:55

No one votes for a party! You all vote for candidates who state that they agree with the views of one party or another but who, in reality, are completely free to do what they want once they are elected.

Just saying! There seems to be widespread confusion about the reality of how our electoral system actually works.

Alisvolatpropiis Tue 06-Nov-12 23:34:30

Um...no,we vote for the party but people think they are voting for the individual. They have can't just do what they want once PM,the majority of the party (or at least the cabinet) must agree, or they can be made to step down/impeached. Why else would they have votes within their own party?

MoppingMummy Tue 06-Nov-12 23:39:02

Labour always.

I'd vote Obama if in America.

ExitPursuedByABrrrrrrr Tue 06-Nov-12 23:43:18

Tory - although I have voted UKIP and Green in the past for tactical pointless reasons. Would vote for Obama in the US.

NewNames Tue 06-Nov-12 23:48:05

Labour.

Womenandchickensfirst Tue 06-Nov-12 23:49:54

Labour, ex councillor and agent for MP. Not getting along too well with Ed though...Just made Obamabuns to celebrate the victory!

LibrarianByDay Tue 06-Nov-12 23:50:42

Alis - you are absolutely, totally, and utterly wrong! Do you actually live in the UK? confused

In the UK, you vote for a candidate who says they are standing for a party. You are voting for an MP - not for a party and not for the PM (the ONLY people in this country who voted for the PM are the people who live in his Witney constituency and they elected him as their MP to represent their views).

No-one in this country ever gets impeached!!

FannyFifer Tue 06-Nov-12 23:53:19

SNP

Woozley Tue 06-Nov-12 23:53:37

Depends on the type of election really, my last answer was if there were a general election tomorrow.

Last general election I voted lib dem as I liked their manifesto.

Last European election I voted Green as I preferred what their candidate had to say.

Last Parish Council elections I voted Conservative - the incumbents who seem to be doing a good job.

In the Police Commissioner elections I'll be voting for an independent candidate.

Woozley Tue 06-Nov-12 23:57:33

They can't be impeached, but a vote of no confidence would usually see them resign.

Mousefunk Wed 07-Nov-12 00:03:03

Was always a lib dem until they became tory bummers. So now green party, would go labour but Miliband.. well what can I say?

akaemmafrost Wed 07-Nov-12 00:03:53

Labour.

NewNames Wed 07-Nov-12 00:06:31

You won't vote labour because of Ed? You might not like him but I believe the party is bigger than the leader. Yes, it makes a difference but there are thousands of people that make up labour. smile

Last time Lib Dem hmm

Next time, probably Green

Alisvolatpropiis Wed 07-Nov-12 00:12:06

Librarian yes I do. And I was in fact,just wrong. Given I follow politics I really really should know better this is what happens when one routinely spoils ballots

Sigh!!!!!!!

LibrarianByDay Wed 07-Nov-12 00:29:18

OK - I'll let you off!

I spent far too much time studying electoral systems in my student days - makes me rather pedantic!

perceptionreality Wed 07-Nov-12 00:32:20

Labour here, always - also a member of the Labour party.

HorridHeffalumpsWickedWoozles Wed 07-Nov-12 00:43:28

Another member of the MN minority here; I'm a firm Tory voter.

Very much agree with poster who said that you should vote based on policy not the current leader and their 'likeability'.

BrittaPerry Wed 07-Nov-12 00:43:53

Labour voter and party member here.

A few years ago, I was sat in a uni class ON A POLITICS MODULE (ok, as par of a socoil policy degree, but that is hardly an excuse) and people were moaning because they never voted for Gordon Brown. I got scowled at for asking if they were from his constituency or party members.

People really have no idea.

InNeedOfBrandy Wed 07-Nov-12 00:47:12

I vote Labour although I would class myself as a socialist.

Obama (I also think he's to far right)

I'm 26 and vote Green.

I would consider voting Labour if it would get the Tories out, but I'm in a Tory stronghold anyway unfortunately, so I go with my morals and vote Green.

EauRouge Wed 07-Nov-12 00:51:20

Another disillusioned Lib Dem voter. Will probably vote Labour next time but I live in a very blue area so it makes pretty much no difference who I vote for.

RichManPoorManBeggarmanThief Wed 07-Nov-12 01:02:41

Although I'm entitled to, I actually don't vote in GE at the moment as I live overseas and think it's a bit unfair to get a vote when what happens doesn't really affect me directly.

Historically I've voted Conservative (although i've considered Lib Dem). However, I'm not sure it really makes a huge amount of difference at the moment. If Labour were in now, they'd be cutting like crazy too. I think we're at a stage where there is actually not very much choice on policy, especially economic policy, which is what people tend to care about most. No government can spend what it doesn't have.

Alisvolatpropiis Wed 07-Nov-12 01:04:45

No worries Librarian I'd rather be put right! smile

I get all pedantic about law. Cannot let it go,ever. Once stood up and shouted "the law doesn't exist to appease your moral sensibilities" after a pub debate got slightly out of hand at uni. So I know where you're coming from!

I've noticed nobody is admitting they would vote for Romney - this must mean all MNetters are sane!

Labour, but I consider myself Leftwing, so I vote for the 'leftest' at one time the LibDems were more Left than Labour

Watching the US results with interest.

NovemberRain Wed 07-Nov-12 01:07:31

Not sure who I would vote for next time round, but I will never vote Labour.

JessicaLub Wed 07-Nov-12 01:09:01

I will always vote labour because I am working class.

NovemberRain Wed 07-Nov-12 01:11:34

Richmanpoorman, if Labour were in now I'm pretty sure they would just bury their head in the sand, spend and keep handing over power to Brussels. That's why I would never vote labour. The LibCons are pretty awful too, but at least they are trying to change things around, albeit by very harsh measures.

RichManPoorManBeggarmanThief Wed 07-Nov-12 01:13:12

at one time the LibDems were more Left than Labour

I know. That was odd. I guess what happened was that TB took Labour so far into the middle incursions into Tory territory not uncommon) that the LD's lost their traditional central ground, so moved over to the left.

I actually think all the main parties should split/realign. A new party made up of the Tory wets and the more RW labour members could probably form a majority gov.

You're probably onto something there, RMPMBT.

Politics seems so diluted these days.

JessicaLub Wed 07-Nov-12 01:22:59

The Tories (in this country), look after their own.
There is austerity and hardship; but not for the "Old Boys Network".
They tighten their belts by passing the buck down the line, without any restriction of their lifestyle.
The Tories learned by Thatcher's mistakes. Now they rob the poorest by stealth.

5-8% increase in energy costs from December......
And it's a privatised cartel.

JennyPiccolo Wed 07-Nov-12 01:27:35

SNP, though I voted SSP when I was younger and I've voted lib dem before at Westminster. Never again.

GreatGretzky Wed 07-Nov-12 01:33:12

Was Lib Dem but not after last time! Probably Labour now.

RichManPoorManBeggarmanThief Wed 07-Nov-12 01:36:48

Politics seems so diluted these days.

I think part of it is that there are now too many "professional politicians" who have been in Westminster since they left Uni. I would like to see the age for being an MP as 30, and for selection committees to favour candidates with "real world" experience- i.e. not just a researcher/ party worker etc.

I feel poltiics should be a calling rather than a planned career. If you think about people like Tony Benn, they would rather have spent a life in opposition than compromised their principles. This is what we need- more people who are prepared to say "This is what I think. If you agree with me, vote for me. If you don't, then dont". Instead, what we have is parties who are effectively saying "What do I have to say for you to vote for me?" It makes for very muddy waters and poor delivery on manifestos.

Exactly - Can you imagine Tony Benn, Dennis Skinner, et al, getting into (political) bed with Thatcher?

Actual LOL.

meee123 Wed 07-Nov-12 02:04:39

Lib dem last time.Next time, no idea.

StarsGhostTail Wed 07-Nov-12 02:13:49

I'm a left wing Conservative.

I prefer the idea of lower taxes and individual choice, that if you earn the money you should be able to top up your child's education or your health care.

I hate the nanny state and too much red tape makes my blood boil.

I'm just old enough to understand why Mrs T won, to remember the mess that went before. In her last term she went too far, but much of the hedonism you see was the economic boom of the times. I think a lot of it would have happened which ever party was in power.

However, I do believe that there is such a thing as society and that we do need to pay enough taxes for a reasonable benefits system and the health service to function.

I'm an Atheist, Pro Choice, Pro Gay marriage and can't believe the richest nation on Earth doesn't have universal health care.

So if I was American I'd be a Democrat.

katykuns Wed 07-Nov-12 02:28:38

Voted Lib Dem, but feel a bit betrayed and will vote labour this time. I hate the conservatives

If in the US, that's easy, Obama!

MissAnnersley Wed 07-Nov-12 02:33:07

I was always Labour but really couldn't stand Tony Blair so have voted SNP.

If I was in America I would vote Obama.

bp300 Wed 07-Nov-12 02:56:45

JessicaLub Wed 07-Nov-12 01:09:01
I will always vote labour because I am working class.
____________________________________________________

I hear this all the time but can;t see how Labour have been much help to the working class unless you are a long term benefits claimant or work for the public sector. House prices trebled under Labour so the haven.t exactly helped working class families.

VernonSmith Wed 07-Nov-12 07:58:04

Jessicalub, every member of my extremely working class family (on one side) voted and still votes Conservative. Being working class does not necessarily make you a born Labourite!

VernonSmith Wed 07-Nov-12 08:00:14

PS They never, ever claimed benefits, either, though would easily have qualified for them.

YokoUhOh Wed 07-Nov-12 08:01:50

Labour: past, present and future. Actually, I've voted Green in council elections. And, to be perfectly honest, none of the main parties represents my views, which are somewhat left of centre.

YokoUhOh Wed 07-Nov-12 08:07:10

Noticing that lots of Scots are voting SNP; my Scottish mum calls them the Tartan Tories - I presume this no longer holds true? I was quite disappointed to see the bloke from Hue and Cry supporting them on the news...

Morloth Wed 07-Nov-12 08:07:50

I swing.

Feel no allegiance to any party at all.

I have a good think about the issues and listen to what they all have to say and then make a decision.

It will however, be a cold day in hell before I vote for Tony Abbott (Oz).

In the US I would have voted Obama and in the last UK Election I would probably have voted Lib Dem.

SufferingLampreys Wed 07-Nov-12 08:08:32

European I vote green

Last general I voted lib dem (partly because of my local candidate)

Won't be doing that again

Suspect it will be green from now on but will see what the options are

ItsAllGoingToBeFine Wed 07-Nov-12 08:10:42

yoko I don't know why your mum things that - the SNP are about the furthest left proper party there is...

Morloth Wed 07-Nov-12 08:12:29

I don't identify as either left or right TBH.

Am right smack bang in the middle. Mostly I think people should be left alone to get on with their lives and should look after themselves if they can but I also think that you need to look after people and that people matter and should not be left to suffer if their circumstances are bad.

YokoUhOh Wed 07-Nov-12 08:12:59

Fine I think she's got a bit of a 70s view of Scottish politics, not having lived there since 1976... she used to hobnob with a very lefty journalist crowd and I think the landscape was different in those days.

Lesbeadiva Wed 07-Nov-12 08:18:27

Scotland, green or labour never ever snp!
UK, was a lib dem but feel so let down by them, so labour and never Tory!
USA would be Obama everytime. In fact, I would like to borrow him to lead here for a while

abcdangel Wed 07-Nov-12 09:03:01

Never voted anything but Tory in the past - but will never vote for them again.

CrunchyFrog Wed 07-Nov-12 09:06:35

SDLP/ labour. Tactical voting to keep Sinn Fein out. Otherwise would vote Alliance.

Trills Wed 07-Nov-12 09:07:32

What makes you think that asking might be unreasonable?

Trills Wed 07-Nov-12 09:07:51

I don't vote for a party, I vote for my local MP.

Mrsjay Wed 07-Nov-12 09:11:28

I voted libdem last time BASTARDS used to vote labour . I think i voted libdem as no1 in scottish election

Trills Wed 07-Nov-12 09:13:02

I voted Lib Dem and I don't regret it at all, my MP is very good. He does what he can within the constraints.

Jins Wed 07-Nov-12 09:13:49

I'm a bit of a floating voter. Sometimes I've been known to vote for the most likely candidate to get rid of the existing candidate who is standing again.

Sometimes, but only in Parish Elections, I spoil my paper by identifying those candidates that I believe to be making decisions based on self interest (but I only started doing that when I realised that all candidates were shown the spoiled papers to agree whether there was a clear vote) There's something really satisfying about scrawling Corrupt Wanker in blunt pencil smile

gobbledegook1 Wed 07-Nov-12 09:15:31

Labour.

Mrsjay Wed 07-Nov-12 09:16:10

council/local elections I am a bit of a floater our MSP is SNP and he isn't the worst we have had,

Latonia Wed 07-Nov-12 09:16:59

Another minority member here. Have always voted Conservative and always will.

In the US I would have voted for Obama, the Republicans are too extreme for me.

KellyElly Wed 07-Nov-12 09:24:27

Labour

Dawndonna Wed 07-Nov-12 09:28:57

I am a socialist of the old school, eg. John Smith. I have voted Labour, but I may vote Green next time. I will have to peruse the policies carefully.
I am scared by those who admit to voting UKIP on here. How can anybody vote for a party that wants to disenfranchise those with learning difficulties and disabilities still further, and a party that wants to bring back hanging. They are also the so called 'respectable' face of the BNP.

YokoUhOh Wed 07-Nov-12 10:13:37

I once had to listen to an in-law discussing her support for UKIP... She lives in Spain for half the year (claims her pension there etc) hmm

FreudiansSlipper Wed 07-Nov-12 10:13:58

Labour always have and always will. I was a member of the labour party until the Iraq war though I may become a member again but I do feel we need a change of leader

I too am surprised that people have admitted to voting for UKIP obviously they have supporters are they voting for the anti Europe stand have you read all of their policies was it a protest vote as many bnp voters claim to be

Jenski Wed 07-Nov-12 10:23:01

I am surprised that people have admitted to voting Tory. If it were me, I would be deeply ashamed of myself.

VernonSmith Wed 07-Nov-12 10:35:07

I save my deep shame for far worse admissions (like admitting that I take my children to McDonald's grin).

RebeccaMumsnet (MNHQ) Wed 07-Nov-12 11:22:54

Hi all,

We've moved this thread to Politics now, as it doesn't really ask an AIBU Q.

somebloke123 Wed 07-Nov-12 11:49:35

Jenski

I am surprised that people have admitted to voting Tory. If it were me, I would be deeply ashamed of myself.

But if you voted Tory it would be because you found their policies preferable to the alternatives, so presumably you wouldn't feel ashamed of yourself.

You might in that case further object to the easy and smug closed mindset that assumes that anyone who has been well educated and whose heart is in the right place will automatically hold left of centre views and that anyone who disagrees must either be stupid or have base motives.

ExitPursuedByABrrrrrrr Wed 07-Nov-12 12:02:41

Jenski - I know, I hang my head in shame everyday.

And then do the same thing again.

RichManPoorManBeggarmanThief Wed 07-Nov-12 12:16:42

If it were me, I would be deeply ashamed of myself.

Well tbh I'd be ashamed to have repeatedly voted in a government who presided over 10 years of unprecedented economic growth (not created by them- result of global economic trends which "lifted all boats"), pissed the whole lot up the wall creating a bloated public sector, did jack all about a creaking infrastructure, attacked a random country cos their mates told them to, and left the country with a massive deficit, but there you go.

I vote Tory.

And what Somebloke & Richman said.

I am ashamed though - I flagellate daily.

Definitely Obama though, may be a shameful Tory but am not a lunatic.

RichManPoorManBeggarmanThief Wed 07-Nov-12 12:41:16

The thing is you can't win. You either have to

- Vote for the ones that just fucked everything up
- Vote for the ones that are fucking it up now
- Vote for the ones that are helping the ones fucking it up now fuck it up more
- Not vote and be a fucking apathetic bastard
- Do what I did and move to somewhere that's not a democracy.

SusanneLinder Wed 07-Nov-12 13:02:51

SNP here, and yes I would vote Obama grin

2old2beamum Wed 07-Nov-12 15:34:08

Paid up member of The Labour Party

Obama yes

MiniTheMinx Wed 07-Nov-12 19:24:40

Always voted labour but it's a waste, in the south east. Although I know my Conservative MP quite well, I quite like him but he has held his seat here for many years and it doesn't look likely to change. I have yet to meet the labour candidate, no one has even seen him! he is a mystery man.

I am left of labour and not because my principles have changed but because theirs have, I'm with dawndonna, I liked John Smith.

tilder Wed 07-Nov-12 19:35:25

Am afraid I am a tactical voter. Anyone but the Tories (or those nutters further to the right).

Don't feel comfortable with labour or lib dem though, which doesn't really help. I always vote though.

Jenski Wed 07-Nov-12 20:32:54

I rest my case...

doublemuvver Wed 07-Nov-12 21:47:43

Green

ExitPursuedByABrrrrrrr Wed 07-Nov-12 23:53:37

Which case would that be then Jenski confused

CeilidhHayley Sat 10-Nov-12 21:08:44

Green

FanjoForTheMammaries Sat 10-Nov-12 21:09:28

Labour

Leithlurker Sun 11-Nov-12 09:45:27

Labour mostly but have voted green, independent, and sap. Would never ever vote Tory, even if I was against the wall in front of the firing squad it would be me that shouted "fire"! (Dad was a miner

Two things of interest:

1 All the tory's who would vote Obamah? Why do that as he is clearly on the same path as Milliband, Romney was going to undo the health reforms that Obamah put in place which would have seen a return to only those who pay in to the system getting anything back. Is this not what you want for here?

2. The SNP crowd who say they are more left than labour, that is hardly difficult at the moment and in case of the council tax freeze this one policy designed to appeal to the middle classes has cut more services, transfered more jobs from local authority to private company, and genealy had the worst effect on the poorest in society than any other single policy including the poll tax. Onyersel Slimmond!

niceguy2 Sun 11-Nov-12 12:42:01

Actually I think the Tories are probably more aligned with Obama than with Romney.

Personally I think Romney is further right than even our most right wing Tories.

The SNP have done well over the disillusionment over Labour and the Scots are generally more left leaning and given the Thatcher years I doubt Scotland would ever have a Tory majority. But the SNP have also been very clever to pin the blame onto London for all problems and push the idea that without London holding Scotland back that it would be jam today. Personally I don't believe that.

SufferingLampreys Sun 11-Nov-12 12:49:48

Agree nice guy
Always thought Obama was Rightwing and Romney was even more Rightwing but that's how the two big parties are in the US

claig Sun 11-Nov-12 14:18:44

I have no party allegiance and have voted for all 3 parties in the past. I base my vote on which party offers the best policies for the country and the public. Invariably this usually means that I vote Tory.

claig Sun 11-Nov-12 14:23:30

That also explains why I never have, never want to and never will vote Green.

VirtuallyHere Sun 11-Nov-12 14:24:07

Tory. Not that I'd rave about them at the moment but I just can't help thinking the country would have been bankrupt if Labour had continued their reign. The excessive spending in the year prior to election to try to win votes when the country was in such a state truly disgusts me.

claig Sun 11-Nov-12 14:26:22

VirtuallyHere, it is virtually certain that you are not alone.

chipstick10 Sun 11-Nov-12 20:04:58

Im a Tory scumbag.

LucieMay Sun 11-Nov-12 20:11:06

Member of the Labour party, die hard. I'd die before I voted Tory.

FromEsme Sun 11-Nov-12 20:16:16

Labour, am a member.

When in Scotland, I might give other votes to others, like the SSP.

Obama. I think he's amazing, we need someone like that.

Tazmosis Fri 16-Nov-12 11:45:43

Labour and Obama - am a (new) member of the Labour Party as so disillusioned with what is going on.

However I do read manifestos and would consider changing if I disagreed with Labours policies.

laughtergoodmedicine Sat 17-Nov-12 13:22:44

I would have voted for Obama. Tony Blair was only good for winning elections. Which does matter. I voted Labour/Independent in the recent police poll. The Independent won. (And is already flexing his muscles)

Shinyshoes1 Sat 17-Nov-12 13:39:17

Another in the minority.

I'm a TORY voter

Green

I have voted for other parties for tactical reasons (ie to keep the Tories out) in the past, depending on who had the best chance of beating them.

Cozy9 Sat 17-Nov-12 20:28:39

Tory or UKIP depending on what election it is, I would never vote Labour.

losingtrust Tue 20-Nov-12 19:34:16

I voted Tory in the last election but have been disappointed with their back turns. Would not vote for a party that had any involvement with tony Blair. Not a fan of red Ed either but then I am not a big fan of any party leader backed by unions as I have found a lot of inaccuracies in the union propaganda on pensions for instance. My bet for next credible pm would be a David miliband type mp independent of purely the union vote. Unions should do what they are good at - supporting their workers at a te of crisis and not persuading people to go on strike with inaccurate and limited information to try and score political points.

ironman Tue 20-Nov-12 21:37:08

I would vote Tory if Cameron was one. Voted UKIP. I would never vote Labour.

Abitwobblynow Thu 10-Jan-13 09:59:01

None of them they are all useless spineless and deceitful angry

The last politician who was prepared to tell the hard, difficult truth was Margaret Thatcher.

therugratref Thu 10-Jan-13 10:14:53

Another Tory here.

Abitwobblynow Thu 10-Jan-13 15:52:42

I hate all politicians, but I flipping hate Labour with an unrelenting passion. They bring their lovely fluffy caring theories about making the world a better place and then they stuff everything up - because they are nowhere in touch with reality. The last lot should in in jail IMO, from their military moronics, spiteful uncontrolled immigration that has seriously hurt the working classes, to their idiot bankrupting of this nation.

From Thomas Pascoe (far more measured!):

Balls has been more irresponsible than any other Labour frontbencher.
It is the record of both man and party that must be placed before the electorate in 2015. The Conservatives need to force voters to confront the idiocy of Labour’s economic strategy, particularly the belief that economic stimulus can return Britain to growth. The country is forecast to run a net deficit of 6.9 per cent of GDP this financial year (excluding the Royal Mail pension transfer). That is one of the largest stimulus spending programmes in the world. What has it delivered? In all probability, a triple-dip recession.
Even more damagingly, Balls represents two immensely harmful ideas, both of which must be discredited if Britain is to return from the brink financially.
The first is the idea that economics is an immeasurably complex subject that submits only to the finest minds. At present, actions and ideas are presented in a way that deliberately obscures their purpose and effect. Finance thus becomes less of a discipline and more of an alchemist’s trick. Balls has a track record in this nonsense-speak which ranges from the introduction of “neo-classical endogenous growth theory” in a speech he wrote for Gordon Brown, to last year’s talk of “predistribution”. The effect and the intention are identical: these phrases make the nation’s finances more remote, forcing us to acknowledge Balls’s role as an expert and concede our own. From these seeds grew the debt binge that left us with a 10.1 per cent annual budget deficit in 2010/11, masked with inane words about “smoothing out” over the cycle.
Of all the disciplines of state, economics is the most easily mastered. Every individual, household and corporation familiarises themselves with the basic rules early in their life -^[what did Mrs Thatcher say? Was anyone listening?]^. In the quest to maintain that governments are not bound to the law of balance that catches up with every other economic entity, the system itself has been debased. Money has been created from thin air to the extent that the next crash will itself be a result of attempting to stave off this present crash. What might have been a three-year cleansing process could now be a 20-year stagnation, largely thanks to men too clever to admit their mistakes.
Moreover, it is the attitude that Labour brought to public finances under Gordon ’n’ Ed that continues to poison the well. Labour has deliberately created a client state in this country, which recognises only the right to draw on the resources of others. With rhetoric about the rich, and a dozen years of rising payments to those who would not work, Balls has helped engender in this country a spiteful, petty-minded entitlement culture. Again, the connection between money and production has been severed. Again, the damage to our prospects as a nation is incalculable.

- Have I ever told you how much I loathe and despise the mindset of the Labour Party...? smile [fade rant...]

MiniTheMinx Thu 10-Jan-13 16:23:09

The very same Mr Pasco who with his chums from the city have a vested interest is laying the blame squarely where it doesn't reside, Mr Pasco who worked for Lloyds in corporate finance. He is hardly likely to point the finger towards banking practices and corporate tax dodging is he?

Sparrowp Fri 11-Jan-13 00:57:28

I read the Tory policies for the last election and thought, bloody hell that's a recipe for recession.

Lib Dem ones looked good though.... sigh

Sparrowp Fri 11-Jan-13 01:00:22

The Tories just aren't very good. That's why they put on all the "confidence" and bravado to cover up their incompetence. Sad really.

Abitwobblynow Fri 11-Jan-13 09:55:25

Mini. Who cares. A tiny tiny piece of economic fact: money doesn't grow on trees. Printing it is forgery still a con by the BoE. You have to MAKE money.

This is a hard and never-to-be-forgotten fact that socialists mysteriously just gloss over. I don't think this vital construct ever enters your tiny little minds.

The fact is, that British politics is decided by 50 'marginal' seats. Therefore, the overpaid social workers that constitute the majority of our MPs, do not listen to the constituents, they do the party's bidding.

A pox on the lot of them angry

MiniTheMinx Fri 11-Jan-13 11:01:58

I know exactly how money is created, every time money is printed a corresponding amount of debt is created.

Tiny little mind, that's right wing thinking for you. Always shut down any discussion by insults.

I agree that MPs do the party's bidding , they in no way represent the people who elect them. We do not live in a democracy. One of the ways in which we now exercise our democratic power is through consumerism, we levy pressure directly on companies through the media and internet, we stop shopping with companies and we reward what we believe to be ethical business through consumer loyalty. Main stream politics is becoming sidelined because people know the three major parties are puppets to corporations, why vote when you can make a real difference through direct consumer action.

I agree, the lot are a pox.

thesnootyfox Fri 11-Jan-13 13:44:07

First vote (aged 19) Liberal Democrat.

Second vote Labour

Third vote Labour

Fourth vote Labour

Fifth vote Labour.

I used to vote Liberal Democrat in the local elections as we don't have a Labour candidate. I would never vote Lib Dem again. I haven't bothered voting in the last couple of local elections as the choice between Lib Dem, UKIP and Tory isn't really a choice.

I live in a Tory stronghold therefore my vote in the General Election isn't really worth anything either.

PolkadotCircus Sat 12-Jan-13 17:11:26

Was labour then libdem.

Seriously considering Ukip next election.That is what the shite from the other 3 have driven me to!

Abitwobblynow Sat 12-Jan-13 19:31:59

So Mini, why if we actually agree with eachother (and I am glad we do), do you ignore the sense of what Pasco says, by impugning his background?

Because, if so then I would like to point out the background of Stephen Byers the polytechnic lecturer who was NO MATCH AT ALL for railway negotiations....

What I would like from any politician, whatever party: having once had a proper job (not tax-funded [Gordon Brown], but in the market place). Being in touch with reality. Competent, and efficient. Polytechnic lecturers, trades unions officials, estate agents, EU flunkeys, political researchers, MPs aides - NO! [you notice that covers the whole lot of them from Byers to Cameron]

An excellent politician by those criteria, was John Redwood. And he was.

Abitwobblynow Sat 12-Jan-13 19:35:21

I really want to make this serious point about incompetence: from the railways, to PPFI, Labour were completely outmanoevred and we pay through the nose as a result.

Whatever their good intentions, they simply did not have the world experience or skill sets required, when dealing with bankers and hardened negotiaters. They [that means us, the tax payer] were FLEECED.

cinnamonnut Sun 13-Jan-13 12:29:25

Anything but Labour

FannyFifer Sun 13-Jan-13 12:37:02

SNP, an independent Scotland is the only realistic option for our country.

DeepRedBetty Sun 13-Jan-13 12:58:20

Despite the nickname, Labour is about the only party I've never voted for. I did tactical Lib Dem voting in my idealistic teens and twenties and since then I've voted for a person rather than a party. We had a Monster Raving Looney one year, I voted for him as I knew him from down the pub and he was alright. (have you ever read their manifestos? - some of the ideas were actually perfectly sensible grin)

Last time round I voted Green. The Lib Dem was a pathetic party yes woman who'd had no career except government administration, the Conservative was an ex banker dear chum of George Osborne with no local roots and the Labour candidate hadn't even bothered to move to the area and again had never had a job outside politics. At least the Green candidate was local and had had a non-political career, and the green manifesto was ok.

I'd consider UKIP if they'd confine themselves to the single issue of getting out of the economic mess that the EU is in and drags the UK into, but too many of their other policies are distasteful.

MiniTheMinx Sun 13-Jan-13 13:14:24

Abitwobblynow, I have always voted labour but the only way now to get labour to represent the interests of working people would be to storm their head office and chuck them out grin I agree what is needed is representatives that actually represent working people. I think what has happened over labours quite short history is that money power has corrupted and co-opted the labour movement to do its bidding. Look at Blair......son of Thatcher????

ironman Sun 13-Jan-13 17:13:25

I would vote Tory if Cameron was one! I vote UKIP.
The labour party ruined the country, overspent and flooded the country on purpose with immigration, so that they could get votes and put two fingers up to the Tories. The labour Party (particularly under Blair) were a complete shower of shite!

Abitwobblynow Wed 16-Jan-13 07:30:14

I use these two pieces of news today (about ANY party, but Labour seems particularly prone to this) to illustrate what I mean:

1. Lutfur, who was sacked as Labour candidate in the 2010 mayoral election for his close links to an Islamic fundamentalist group, the Islamic Forum of Europe, which believes in turning Europe into a sharia state. Lutfur is also backed by a group of powerful local businessmen. In office, as this blog has documented, he has systematically given key positions, funding and favours to his extremist and moneyed patrons and is slowly turning a diverse, multicultural borough into a vehicle favouring a specific set of interests and segment of the community.
“Ken was ridiculed,” says my informant. “People were laughing out loud. He had absolutely no support whatever for his proposal, not even from the likes of [hard-left MP] Dennis Skinner.” A former member of the NEC, Luke Akehurst, tweeted tonight that the Kenster was “in a minority of one” at the meeting. Labour’s secretary in Tower Hamlets, Tarik Ahmed Khan, said: “Ken Livingstone still meddling in TH politics, [sought] to let Mayor Lutfur back into TH Labour Party. Thankfully, all voted against.

- frankly dangerous [the general point that narcissists and psychopaths are drawn to power, ie politics, medicine, banking, law]. Why do we have these awful people clogging up our public space? Why are they not stopped early in their tracks?

2. The report that '[Labour] Ministers paid way too much for the banking bail-out.

- I have no doubt that they did. Labour overpaid a hell of a lot and our grandchildren will sit with the debt of their delusions as a result. You HAVE to bring skills to a position. It is not enough to be inherently intelligent and have fluffy good intentions about 'fairness' and all that sh t, when you are up against market makers and experienced negotiators.
I heard again and again from people in PFI and health provision 'they just do not know what they are doing. They don't have a clue'. 'They don't seem to understand [in PFI contracts] that they have just agreed to service the debt AND carry all the risk'. shock shock And it was hidden off balance sheet, something which put the executives of Enron in the real world of markets, in jail! shock

I loathe the last Labour government with a passion because they really were a bunch of clowns and they have really harmed this country.

What I want in any government is COMPETENCE. You can hate and sneer at Nigel Lawson, John Redwood etc. - but they knew what they were doing. So for me? What is my qualification for a politician? You HAVE to have had a real job, in the real world. You have to have proved excellence in that field. No county councillors, estate agents, polytechnic lecturers, trades union officials. Sack Yes Minister civil servants. The most honest politician in a long time was Estelle Morris 'I am not up to this job'. What I think she meant was that she was too gentle for the rough housing required.

LoopsInHoops Wed 16-Jan-13 07:37:41

Green. smile

MiniTheMinx Wed 16-Jan-13 10:02:16

Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely, and Red Ken is a perfect example of this. The man plays up to his image and is totally sucked in by the Idolatry nature of his supporters. Years ago I silenced a room full of lefties when I dared to say what I thought of him wink

I find what you have said about the PFI interesting because there is always plausible denial which is what is being used here. Labour would have you believe that "they don't know what they doith" they knew. Blair was a free market champion of neo-liberlisation which has seen huge wealth shift to the very top. They knew what they were doing. I have always voted labour but I have no illusions, they might soften the blow to the workers with carrots like tax credits but they have sold out on their principles.

Temple247 Tue 22-Jan-13 14:21:57

Lib Dems or Conservative, TBC.

elizaregina Wed 23-Jan-13 19:30:56

ABITWOBBLYNOW

I used to vote Labour I thought they championed the under class and the under dog and the disadvanted, Their polices however have virtually buried a generation and possibly more, and vicously attacked the elderly - the vulnerable and the weak and the underdog.

I dont know what the answer is.

lrichmondgabber Wed 13-Mar-13 11:41:04

Labour usuallly. Burt like it better when the parties had bigger policy differences. I suppose Ed M thinks he is radical but I am not so sure

niceguy2 Wed 13-Mar-13 14:42:26

What is my qualification for a politician? You HAVE to have had a real job, in the real world. You have to have proved excellence in that field.

Couldn't agree more. Too many of our politician's are full time politician's and have never had real world experience.

It shocked me when I watched a program once about our financial problems and they interviewed some politician's about what our deficit was. It was shocking to see how many didn't understand what a deficit was, let alone how big it was. And some mixed it up with the debt. Usually before reverting to the party lines of blame the other party.

I want to see more top tier business leaders moving into politics. People who have taken a small company, built it up and made it successul. But the problem simply is that if you are that successful at business that politics is a crappy paid job for a lot of shit and no reward.

MiniTheMinx Wed 13-Mar-13 17:53:18

I want to see more shop stewards, unionists and working class people in the commons.

Business leaders, why do they need to waste their time in the commons?

MiniTheMinx Wed 13-Mar-13 17:54:37

niceguy2 and I do believe it was ttosca who educated you on the difference btw debt and deficit smile

Green. SNP once in a local election with no green candidate.

aquashiv Thu 21-Mar-13 01:04:08

The party I would really believe in has yet to form

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