Louise Mensch resigns...(319 Posts)
too hard to balance famaily life
she was never in it to represent her constituents, she's moving to New York to live the high life with her DH
Whatever you think of her, I'm dreading the "look ladies, told you! You cant have it all" nonsense that is about to hit the media...
she's never been taken seriously as an MP anyway, it's been obvious she was one of the 'celebraTory' candidates
I like her, but her husband lives in the US so it was always going to be very hard to make it work.
Remember her on HIGNFY? She has never come across as very intelligent. I for one won't miss her popping up spouting bollocks all over the media.
When a male MP stands down to spend more time with his family, one assumes a terrible scandal is about to break, despite the examples where nothing comes to light.
It'll be interesting to see if this stereotype is also used for her, or if a different one is chosen.
I once read Career Girls on a plane as I was really, really bored and it was a freebie with a magazine. Probably the worst thing (hard to call it a book) that I'd ever read. However, at least she was honest about issues such as drugs, her past when working for Sony etc etc. I'll miss her (but for the love of all that's holy I hope she doesn't go back to being a 'writer').
Whatever you think of Louise Mensch, her resignation is high profile and will be discussed and trawled over by media. If she cites 'too hard to balance family life' as her reason then this only serves to highlight further how damn difficult it still is for women with children to maintain a career.
This is GOOD. We need these discussions to facilitate women who want to continue to take leading roles in the workplace after having children and equalise the opportunity for women vs men when they become parents. How often do you hear a man citing family life/balance as a reason for quitting a political/high flying career?
she's using that as a red herring IMO, the family life reason i mean
she's a feminist too, doncha know
I agree with propercharlie - the entire event is certain to be taken out of context. I'm assuming the nature of her DH's work made it impossible for him to be based in the UK (which you would assume was her preference not just for her own career but for her children's sake) and so a decision was reached which I hope is mainly fair to her children, assuming their father is still based in the UK.
And that's it. Nothing need be turned into a mini media storm about how women are unelectable because they put family before work or any of that shite, but it will all follow regardless.
False If her DH lives in NY, then why is family life a red herring?
not her biggest fan but I think it was good for young women to see that they could be an MP without being male and 40 (also Sarah Tether).
yup, it will be taken out of context, she's playing the 'poor little lady' card (much to my own personal disgust) but locally she is seen as a joke MP
no need for the media to say anything, she has set the seeds herslef
Actually the first thing I thought of was an imminent scandal rather than the having it all thing. Not sure what that says about my mentality
still, silver lining is she won't have time for any more game shows
She just seems to spend a lot of time pouting - she reminds me of VB.
IMO Stella Creasy is one of the best females MP's. Her work against PDL companies should be applauded.
Well, it IS HARD!!
I wake with chest pains sometimes. 5 days a week working, 2 hr commute, I have a cleaner and a very supportive mother and husband and I am pregnant, could do without this working nonsense. Do any of you feel as though you get enough time with your family?
Shes a crap writer and lightweight politician but fair play to her. Id love to resign.
Can't wait until she sinks from view.
I didn't realise she was the 'writer' Louise Bagshawe.
Shit, I hope this doesn't mean she'll have time to go back to writing
dreadful books again.
I agree - she's never really been a serious politician at all. I always follow Merton and Hisplop's judgement on such characters and they clearly thought she was dreadful on HIGNFY
@propercharlie Exactly. I bet there's nary a mention of the husband living in New York.
after that twitter thing I dont bloody blame her
death threats against her children, noone deserves that
I am sure she will have a more peaveful and chilled time
Well this is is going to be a loss, isn't it?
I feel quite sad that the focus of this thread so far has been doubting her political credibility and jibes about her being a joke politician.
IMO it is a good thing that we have had a high profile young woman in politics. It is also a good thing if the discussion centres around the viability of successful young women pursuing careers after having children.
@missmavis but this case isn't an example of the issue of women with children having careers. It's the issue of women with careers and children marrying men who live thousands of miles away in a different continent and then being surprised its not easy. Completely different thing. But it will be used as another stick to beat the rest of us with.
Born Stroppy, yes it is bloody hard and I salute you for doing it. I don't miss it for a minute. I think the issue is that she seemed quite lightweight and media loving. There are some far, far better female politicians than her who seem to able to exist without sprouting spurious crap all over tv. And she writes terrible books .
I feel quite mean now, I hope she has a wonderful, low profile , life in America with her music mogul husband.
wasn't she also setting up a 'competitor' to twitter? That would have been rather time consuming, which her constituents would never get back. And could be the reason for the dash to the States.
I agree with missmavis. I think women in positions like this is a good thing on the whole. She's not going to be any worse than a bog standard male tory and it is positive to see women - especially younger ones - in any positions like this.
I also thought her handling of the questions about drugs was superb and the abuse directed at her and her family on twitter, of the most violent grotesque type imaginable, all because she has the temerity to be in the public eye and an attractive woman, it was disgusting.
@Metabilis or the issue of men marrying women who live thousands of miles away and then being surprised it's not easy?
But look who gave up their career, the woman in the partnership, not the man. As is often the case. Hence it's good we're continuing to talk about it and, eventually, hopefully, finding solutions.
the thread is in politics
I think she's peed off she hadn't got a front bench job. As much as I want to see competent, intelligent women on the front bench, I'm happy to see a self-obsessed self-publicising fool like her off to America (bit like Piers Morgan really).
Someone who comes across as more interested in how they are perceived on social media channels and the businesses they are launching, than in representing their constituents, is always going to irritate me, I'm afraid.
I'm not a Tory but can think of several female Tory MPs who come across far better than her and I'd much prefer to be trapped in a lift with - Justine Greening for instance.
Always quite admired her myself, particularly her fearlessness. Found her articulate, consistent in her views and not tribal at all.
Thought her children were from a previous marriage so I am a bit if she is taking the children to be with step-father in NY and thus making access for their father more difficult. Obviously I don't know the full circumstances, and I don't mean to be judgmental as I do like her.
What do you mean False?
Being thick. Haven't had a lot of sleep!
oh she hasn't 'given up her career. She's switching back to the media world which is far more lucrative and less hassle than public service. LM isn't any good role model for anyone, other than LM...
yup, what she said
fatfloosie her ex husband is an American, so maybe he is back in the states now too?
I feel quite sad that the focus of this thread so far has been doubting her political credibility and jibes about her being a joke politician.
replying to this part of your post *Missmavis no malice towards you
I also don't understand why it will be a stick to beat women with.
High profile woman quits job on basis that she isn't seeing enough of her family. Lots of people would like to spend more time with their families. Loads of men would love to quit work to spend more time with their families too but the way society is set up means that for most families the man quitting is not possible.
I don't think a parent saying they like their family is a bad thing, is it? I think we should be aiming for working environments where there is more flexibility etc for everyone, not aiming for this presenteeism macho stylee 80s work hard play hard and get 2 hours sleep a night and pretend you don't have any children bollocks.
I have a feeling the family life thing is a red herring. I think she would put her career above her husband. There must be something bigger and better in the pipeline in New York.
I'm not convinced it will be a good thing for getting people to discuss how hard it is for women to do things, I think it's just going to entrech the views of the population, male and female, who think you have to act like a man in order to be successful in the world of work. Which is depressing. I can't judge her for it, as it's not my life it's hers, but it just seems such a shame.
The discussion will have an undercurrent of how "the little woman tried her bestest but she ran away to her hubby in the end before she acheived anything useful. She should just have stayed in the kitchen in the first place."
good for young women to see that they could be an MP without being male and 40 (also Sarah Tether)
Louise Mensch is over 40!
I think we should be aiming for working environments where there is more flexibility etc for everyone, not aiming for this presenteeism macho stylee 80s work hard play hard and get 2 hours sleep a night and pretend you don't have any children bollocks
Completely agree Sardine. If this resignation triggers more of this kind of talk, eventually we might get there!
Got it False
I really don't know why any of you think she's genuinely retiring because she's genuinely struggling to get a work-life balance.
She's a bloody rich TORY for god's sake. She's bound to be lying.
A shit writer and a pointless MP. Bye bye Louise.
(At least I won't have to watch her on I've got News for You if she's in the US - shudder at the memory)
And she certainly doesn't represent me as a woman trying to get a balance.
Well as I don't like MPs who don't live in their constituencies, I think it is probably a good thing.
I suppose people are guessing what the press response will be - and I suppose that depends on what papers you read, if you even read any at all!
I don't read much expect the BBC and sometimes the independent so do not have much to fear on the being beaten with a stick front, about whatever a politician is doing.
I imagine the daily mail will get some very big sticks out but so what's new they use everything as a stick to beat women with!
@sardine You don't work with sexist men then? Lucky old you.
She brought a little populism to politics. Whatever you think of how effective she is/was as a politician, her self-publicity and appearance all over Twitter and HIGNFY brought her (and politics) to people who perhaps wouldn't otherwise engage in any political issues at all.
I thought she was refreshing and interesting. A stand-out among the usual crowd of guffawing old suits.
There are plenty of strong arguments I'm sure to discredit her. As there are about most people in public life. I just think it's a crashing shame that we have to focus on the bad points rather than celebrating the good, and thinking about how we might bring more unusual/unexpected people into positions of power in the UK in the future.
metabilis I'm not sure I understand what your comment is about?
I quite liked her.
was baffled so did some digging.
she has 3kids. dont know how old youngest possibly 5.
they reside as in live in corby where shes an mp
do they attend local state schools in corby?
do any of them board?
she has quite a big family
think shes 1 of 4.
do her family not support?
i assume she has funds to pay for
her husbands american
he lives in newyork.
but the kids are from 1st marriage and i think the father is active and lives in the uk.
in her letter resignation she said they aware if issues and have done best to support her/a make allowances?
what does this mean?
must be more to it.
as westminster seems to break up with schools hols even.
some mps rarly seen in parliament.
its is a shame as theres very few high profile women in politics.
Oh hold on I have re-read.
Yes I have worked in pretty male-dominated sexist environments (covert rather than overt sexism) and certainly I have never been in a job where a man would have taken a female parent to task over her working
What industry are you in?
She didnt do a thing for her constituents .( according to dcousin who is also in local politics in corby ) .
Aleagedly there will be celebrations in the non-Tory constituents homes .
<disclaimer , this is an unconfirmed rumour>
She is an MP, he is a rock band manager. Why hasn't he resigned??
So she is taking the chilldren away from their father as well?
nah, it's more than a rumour droves
I'm with mam29, there must be more to it.
I'm guessing she is giving up her job as an MP, because she has something else she wants to do.
I'm also guessing she will not disappear from Twitter or any other media
"she is taking the chilldren away from their father"
Loving these type of comments.
Oooohhhhhhhhhhhh she is EVIL.
Unimaginable that she might have discussed it and agreed a plan like a grown up
Now i don't know what is the case but quite a lot of people are casting her in some kind of child-snatcher role and it's quite amusing.
This would have been a good one for medieval MN
She be a WITCH
@sardine so that's two things you don't understand then. If you genuinely have never encountered sexism in the workplace then you are either a very lucky woman, or you don't work with men, or you only work with nice men (I know there are plenty of them around but I've never worked in an environment where they were in the majority) - or you don't work at all. However for those of us who work in more typical environments this will undoubtedly at the least come up in conversation as yet another example of why women can't hack it at the top levels. With no nuance, no understanding of the complex issues involved, no recognition that Mensch might well be about to make a fortune from her Internet related activities and probably only became an MPin the first place as a publicity stunt and no understanding of the actual facts (ie that she married a man who lives in America so she isn't your run of the mill working mother).
Your smug comments about what newspapers people who think this will be yet another issue for us to refute read were somewhat off the mark too - I read the Graun, and that's it.
Sardine, if her motive is to "keep her family together" it is a reasonable question to ask why she is then taking her children to a different continent to their father.
Given her history I can imagine that none of this was "grown up".
Do you think Boris will stand in her seat?
I doubt it will happen, but I like the idea of Boris replacing LM. Swapping one HIGNFY celeb for another.
Not so good for the citizens of Corby, though ...
I have a grudging respect for her - and I say this as a Labour member. A sort of love to hate sort of thing - I admired her, while disagreeing with pretty much everything she said.
Boris standing in her seat
maybe that's why the train station was allowed to stay open
<gulps at prospect>
I don't think she's done women in general any favours with this. I'm wondering why she had to give up her role but her husband makes no adjustments. How hard can it be to manage a well established rock band? Does he have to be there all the time - or does he want to be there all the time and she's given way? Having over a family over two continents would always be hard. I think her ex has been very involved with the dcs and presumably isn't going to agree to them all moving to the US so she will keep on shuttling between the two.
Seems a coincidence that we have had a few days of the Boris for PM campaign gathering momentum then a high profile Tory quitting. Did they have an inkling she would quit?? Old duffer tories say they like the fact that Boris appeals to non-Tories so my money is on the people of Corby taking the hit...
fridge that would be so funny <gallows laugh>
False - he doesn't need a train, he can commute by zipwire
Northern apparently the children are going too. She didn't want them to get "too settled in England" given that she was planning on going in 2015 anyway.
It was this that caught my eye
1st part resignation letter
As you know, I have been struggling for some time to find the best outcome for my family life, and have decided, in order to keep us together, to move to New York. With the greatest regret, I am thus resigning as a Member of Parliament.
It is only through your personal intervention, delivered quietly and without fanfare, that I have been able to manage my duties for this long. Your allowing me to work in Corby and East Northamptonshire each Thursday and Friday has enabled me to do weekly surgeries while Parliament has been in session, and to visit many more people and places around our local area, whilst still spending time with my children. Unfortunately, it has not proved to be enough. I am very sorry that despite my best efforts, I have been unable to make the balancing act work for our family. You have been unfailingly generous and supportive.
so they had made allowances for her?
always thourght their schedules was at discretion of mp.
shes only a backbencher shes not in cabinet
she did more media than other mps.she was a tory poster girl.
when gordon brown lost election i dident see him in parliament.
I think i read it was their choice. which i felt wrong as members of sinn fein were mps but never took tehir seats yet got paid what exactly did they do for their constituents.
its why i feel theres more to it.
found old telegraph article obviously shes divorced now and re married
Not for Bagshawe, who duly bagged Anthony LoCicero, a dashing property developer of Italian origin, two years her senior. They have four properties they rent out in the US, and Bagshawe plans to have a total of 15 by the time she retires, which won't be any time soon.
With three children, ranging in age from one to five, the couple live in a four-bedroom Georgian cottage in the Northamptonshire village of Lowick and juggle work and childcare without so much as an au pair to take up the slack.
I guessing her ex maybe spends some time in states so shes not taking the kids away from their father.
does she own any property over there from divorce settlement.
does her ex reside in uk and have active role with 3kids.
that I do not know?
Well, LM won't be the first woman politician to feel obliged to stand down because too much with small kids if husband also has high-powered job (although other examples I am thinking of haven't been so newsworthy).
But I am with the cynics on this one, I'm afraid.
The life of a constituency MP is not very glamorous - the bread and butter of it is, of course, sorting out people's problems with housing and crime, not forgetting the waste disposal and the sewage. Maybe you have an office above a shop. You spend Friday-Sunday holding court in shabby rooms at the local library or sports centre (where if you are unlucky someone comes at you with a samurai sword), followed by visits to local shopkeepers, school fetes and so on - and then you do it all over again the next week. And then there is the scrutiny - I don't mean the Daily Mail particularly in this case, I mean the local opposition keeping on at you via the media about your every slip. You really have to feel the love for the people's democracy to be able to keep it all up for very long.
She can only move the children if their father agrees. He can obtain a prohibited steps order.
Even if she obtain court consent as she probably will as the courts are sexist unless there is a househusband, it is morally wrong. Either she abandons the children for her new OAP husband in NY or else she wrests them from the bosom of their father and all they know and love in the UK ahnd their culture.
What we really need is Mr Mensch giving it all up and moving to London to be with his wife. That's the good non sexist feminist example we need. Not this kind of little woman follows man stuff. If my husband could move cities for my career I don't see why Mr Mensch the second cannot do so particularly as he's old enough to get his pension.
good old daily telegraph had to google under her maiden name.
Im divorced and share the care of my three children, aged seven, six and three with my ex-husband [Anthony LoCicero, a property developer]. He looks after them at the start of the week when Im in London and I take over on Thursday and Friday when Im working in the constituency. I reserve Saturdays and half of my Sundays exclusively for them. I dont do anything political and I dont take it kindly if anyone tries to talk politics to me when my children are around. The kids have no idea about politics and long may that last. During the election campaign last year my daughter picked up a blue rosette and asked, is it for a pony show?.
it seems her ex is very active in kids lives.
that he nears near corby.
doesnt say if they have any hired help I imagine they did.
she praises her ex as a good father.
her new husband has 3kids from previous marriage and they have 3kids and reside in usa.
her new husban works and lives in usa.
her ex i assume lives in uk but owns usa property,
I do imagine it was a juggling act of kids in oen uk place and job in london and relationship on another continent.
but doi feel she could have stuck it out. but she may have lost her seat, shes made a few enemies.
media seem to love her or loathe her she gets attention.
shes nota typicial tory she likes to come across as quite down to earth working class but infact has a very well to do background.
I do think she likes the usa and who can blame her
but i do belive she knew at election what she was getting into.
so yes still think theres more to it.
And this thread is why women don't want to go into politics. No-one wants to feel like their every move is picked over and turned into something awful.
Whatever her party politics, she has made a decision to quit her seat. The reasons behind it are hers and hers alone. They certainly do not need us to comb through it with our assumptions and guesswork to come up with a conspiracy theory and fantasise about what job she will get next.
I'm amazed at how much vitriol there is because she is independently wealthy. She earned it. So what if you don't like her books, she did the graft and got the reward. Celebrate her for it rather than sniping. She also did the graft to get elected. This stuff doesn't just happen overnight. She had to work at it.
The ONLY discussion we should be having is how this will highlight the issue of women in the workplace and how we can make the working environment more family friendly, all else is whimsy.
<climbs down off soapbox and reaches for a G&T>
I absolutely agree with Xenia.
To perpetuate a mumsnet classic I think she should 'leave the bastard'
metabilis what industry do you work in?
I honestly cannot imagine a man telling me that women should not be in decent jobs at work. That would be a matter for hR, quite frankly.
And yes I have been in roles in a very "traditional" environment where I discovered I was being paid less than men who were in the same role as me, that I was not allowed to challenge it as we were not supposed to know others salaries and I may get fired, I experienced discrimination due to pregnancy and they tried to do me out of statutory mat money.
Your tone on this thread is quite aggressive TBH.
Honestly in all the workplaces I have been in even the most sexist twonk would think twice before telling a women who was also a parent and in a position of resonsibility that women who are parents cannot cut it in positions of responsibility! The people I have worked with have been sexist in many ways but for that to be standard is not something I have experienced.
Really what industry are you in? I've been financial services in the city, currently in an IT role and previous experience in public sector as well.
if a man said that to me I'd tell him to piss off, and so would all teh people at the surrounding desks! Everyone would be
Have to go out now but interested to hear more of your experiences.
i still think the answer is for more flexibility for all rather than this willy-waggling presentee bollocks that is all too prevalent (again, IME).
The morla issue is should mothers or fathers move chidlren away. There is another mumsnet thread at the moment about a parent whose ex spouse has moved the children to NZ and they are trying to get them back. This problem tends to occur if you marry a foreigner and is a risk all women and men need to consider if they marry someone who has all their connections and family abroad.
Perhaps the children should say in the UK where they are stable and established and fly to the US for holidays at the mother's expense as she is choose to gad off there.
Like I said, her ex is an American. They met in New York and lived their initially. I wouldn't assume that she he is dragging his kids away from him without his agreement.
I think its a real shame. We need more women in politics not less, and she certainly brought the house into the 21st century. I hope that she remains on twitter as she is fun imho
I agree with BornStroppy - only on pregnancy number 1 but I do know the commute and would resign in a second if I could afford to!
Anyway whatever we may think of Mrs Mensch I hope she's doing it for her own good reasons (family etc) and would like to give her the benefit of the doubt until I hear otherwise. Anyone who uses this as an excuse to be judgemental and/or to lecture the rest of us on how to live our lives should probably just look after their own stuff and let others get on with it.
I am idly considering that Mumsnet should stand a candidate against Boris in the forthcoming Corby by-election
That would be very modern. After all if diplomats now do digital diplomacy why can't we have digital constituencies eh?
Xenia my husband moved countries for the sake of my career (and had to restart his own from scratch at the same time)
I just don't see LM being the little woman running after her man... that's why I think there's more to this than meets the eye.
I agree with Hassled's assessment of her... "I have a grudging respect for her - and I say this as a Labour member. A sort of love to hate sort of thing - I admired her, while disagreeing with pretty much everything she said." (apart from the bit about being a Labour member. I'm just a Labour voter.
"Even if she obtain court consent as she probably will as the courts are sexist unless there is a househusband, it is morally wrong. Either she abandons the children for her new OAP husband in NY or else she wrests them from the bosom of their father and all they know and love in the UK ahnd their culture."
Do you have inside information here? Do you know where the father even lives, i.e. what country?
@Sardinequeen At least I didn't accuse people who disagree with me of reading the Daily Mail. Which is somewhat offensive TBH.
I work in the city and have done for my entire career (23 years now, although at some points the city has actually been Manhattan rather than the Square Mile). I do not work in IT.
Surely Boris would need a London seat? Or are they trying to widen his appeal? His popularity is pretty much assured in London at the moment it seems.
It's quite a marginal seat for Boris. He would want a safer seat than that.
Well headfairy Boris would want a safer seat than Corby I should think. I'm only idly daydreaming. I will stick my neck out and say I reckon Labour will take it at the by-election if Andy Sawford (who is the Labour PPC, I think, from a quick Google) is personable and has been out trudging the streets hard enough already.
radiohelen are you actually LM?
why the hell we even discussing boris.
if he does stand will be at next election.
I wasent being mean just saying its lot more complex then we know.
Her new husband resides in usa for his job and his kids.
she and her ex reside in uk nd share custody of their kids.
I just feel this is really crappy time to quit and trigger bi -election she knew the commitment could she have not stuck it out the extra 2years.
if there had been some scandel I would understand.
but just cant see jow her reason she can cope is the right one.
I like her its real shame.
im mostly tory and think its real loss to the party.
crochet et al, I hope you think these comical women are equally amusing when their policies close your Sure Start centre, sack your teaching assistants, cut your pension etc etc
More women in poltics doesn't mean 'more women friendly policies'
Just because something is "hard" doesn't mean you shouldn't do it. She's setting a bad example. But I don't like her anyway, she's an idiot, so good riddance.
Sorry mam there are two discussions going on at once here.
One about women, work and family life.
One about party politics because as you say she has triggered a by-election in a fairly marginal constituency. I hope they are calling a planning meeting in Labour HQ as we speak.
Ever the self publicist she ties to bury the news of her failure to be effective the first work day after super Saturday and supersonic Sunday. Give it a few weeks and she'll be working for a Murdoch company out of New York where the botox is no doubt cheaper.
At least maybe the people of Corby will get a proper representative in parliament who is a local who knows about local issues not a self absorbed Notting Hill coffee shop tattle who only got her job to fill a quota.
She didn't really think things through then did she? That's if the stuff about family is the real reason. I have never heard a politician say how brilliant being an MP is for family life quite the opposite. She has 3 young children and a husband in New York I'm not sure how she thought that was going to be easy for any sort of family life. Maybe it's because she wasn't really involved in politics before she was parachuted in as the 'celeb' candidate. In future they should stick to candidates who actually want to be politicians- might be better for the constituents.
OK so that rules out LM stepping aside for Boris... I couldn't see her doing that to be honest anyway. She seemed far to ambitious to do that.
"Give it a few weeks and she'll be working for a Murdoch company out of New York where the botox is no doubt cheaper" I'm not sure Novak... her comment about being devastated makes me think this is not what she wants but what she thinks she has to do. Devastated is a pretty strong word to use.
Hmm, albertswearengen she did actually want to be a politician though. She has always been interested in politics. Ok, I'll fess up. I knew her at school. She was very interested in politics even then, and highly ambitious. It was no surprise to me years later to find out she was standing to be an MP. I suspect the daily drudgery of it doesn't really stack up though. She probably has some more exciting things lined up.
Or a celebrity husband who has threatened divorce if she doesn't go?
I think it's all a convenient cover story- either she's got something waiting for her in NY or she's pre-empting some scandal. She's always seemed like a very driven, ambitious individual and it's hard to believe she would hand her notice in a week before a cabinet re-shuffle in which it was anticipated she would do well in.
It's not like her husband moved to New York out of the blue; he was living there when they met and married, she knew it was going to be difficult with the kids, juggling a demanding career, etc. So why give it all up halfway through? I can't wait for the big reveal in the drawing room.
It's the use of words like devastated that show how false her actions are. Devasted is a country after a tsunami or a tornado or how you feel if your family are brutal murdered... Chick lit author Mensch would use that word to describe a rip in her tights on a night on so I doubt she truly is devastated. As I say give it a few weeks and we'll see where ends up working in NY won't we. One of the empires education exam marking companies perhaps picking up her rewards for sticking up for him
i agree, she's a novellist, a story teller, using words to her best advantage is her bread and butter
Gosh Novak you're such a cynic
But I bet you're right
Oh and apologies for spelling your name incorrectly Novack
Novac you're my new favourite MNer
think it's all a bit pathetic. Why did she not think it through. And all the expense of selecting a new candidate. she should cough up for it all. I didn't like her at all. Too smug. Pride comes before a fall. I wouldn't be surprised if she now pursues a media career. Dreadful woman.
Politics is the career she's always wanted - OlympyWindowMash knew her at school and it was obvious then, DH knew her at Oxford and it was even more obvious. So if she's being forced out of a job she's always wanted and is enjoying because her giving up her career is seen as the only way to balance family life then that's sad. If, on the other hand, she's finding that she doesn't enjoy the job as much as she expected, or she has some glittering career opportunity ahead of her in NY, and is using the "family life" thing as an excuse, then less sad for her but it's a bit crap that she's perpetuated the "women can't hack families and demanding careers at the same time" myth.
she made a splash, Newsnight. ans 5-Live will miss her. A looker but too right wing And publicity seeking
Corby will be an interesting by-election. Labour should win; but Liberal vote interesting
Of course she'll have a media career. She'll be the Fox News got to face about UK politics. Blonde and expressionless forehead with no thoughts of her own...
(snaps kitkat in two)
She'll go a long way.
I knew she wouldn't last long. Just another job/experience to tick off. Assume her husband has given some sort of ultimatum about there relationship (not read thread yet). My next prediction is that that relationship will be over within 18 months and she will get a tv presenting job or newspaper editing - here or USA.
For those interested in the by election, see here for more (Lewis Baston, elections geek in Huff Post)
She's asserted herself as a physically attractive, right of centre 'personality'.
She is copying the Sarah Palin ethos of 'Make a splash, then make loads of cash'
She was pretty soft on Murdoch when she was on the committee. Perhaps she had pre-planned this move and wanted to stay on the good side of a potential future employer.
Reply to her resignation letter from the PM ' Your are an inspiring MP - family should come first '
If she was that good he'd be begging her to stay
Scandal or easy job in pipeline - let's watch this space.
Saw her on HIGNFY - she was trying to be funny - she wasn't .
Hope she has her green card and visa sorted out. Didn't recall the USA are that appreciative of self confessed class A drug users. Would be funny if immigration sent her right back.
On a serious note can anyone from Croby actually give details of one thing she has done to improve the voters of Corby`s lot since she was foisted upon them.
I note her internet profile says last month she set up an internet site to rival twitter and she is looking for venture capital investments for it. Hardly sounds like she is wanting to spend time with family if she has time to do that. Sounds more like she sees herself as a future Martha Lane Fox or Anna Coulter not that the world needs another one of them.
Oh, that is an interesting point about admitted Class A use. There must be loads of celebs though that live in the US who have admitted drug use. Or are there? Is Boy George actually banned from the US now?
If the US let Russel Brand in then I doubt they'll have much problem admitting Louise Mensch.
She's married to a US citizen. She has no convicitions for drugs (or anything else). She's lived there previously. Why would they turn her away?
I agree with those who feel she was soft on Murdoch, she knew her future career prospects lay in the US media, scandalous really.
As a very successful rock band manager (for many years), her dh makes a great deal of money - probably much more than Louise. Perhaps that figures into it.
How old are her dc?
Maybe she just got tired of politics?
She doesn't give a monkeys about anything but her own self-promoting career and her newly loved-up relationship. All that bollocks about 'I have to pick the children up from school'. Her ex is the main carer and I think he probably could have managed to look after the kids what with her being on a parliamentary committee and all. He certainly must have done so when she, allegedly, had her Chicago lift done.
I'm sure she loves her kids, obviously, but I don't think she gives a stuff about the people of Corby or the Conservative Party.
And Xenia is absolutely right (don't always think that), the family courts are very sexist indeed about mothers vs fathers rights.
And to follow on from my previous comment about how much money her dh makes, he manages many more bands than just Metallica and the Red Hot Chili Peppers. Here is a recently published list:
RED HOT CHILI PEPPERS
FOUNTAINS OF WAYNE
Note: It is quite common for 'foreign' bands to hire US managers who understand nuances of that market. I expect he manages Muse, Snow Patrol (and other UK based bands) for North America only.
And with a quick google, we find out questions we have been asking: her dh is 19 years her senior, her 3 dc are all under age 10, and she married in secret in NYC without even telling her children!
It won't last. It'll be a last-ditch attempt to keep it together.
Didn't know her ex was American OlympyWindowMash, that's very illuminating.
Maybe it's her ex who wants to move back to the US, which would explain perfectly why she would have to make the decision that is best for all parties and move there too, despite being devastated for her career. I'm happy to believe that until I hear different.
What a lot of negative, bitchy, comments about someone.
I don't know whether this is a typical 'politics' thing ("she's a rich Tory" so I must detest her with every ounce of my being) or because she's been able to get somewhere in politics (anyone posting a failed candidate and green with envy), or is it because "there must be some scandal" (given she's used family reasons) ?
I admired her ability to stand up for herself on QT, and be dead against drugs, and using her experience to underscore her thinking. Far more credibility than a 'goody goody' who is anti-drug on moral / religious / other grounds than her reasoning...
Whether she is a good or bad writer, I cannot comment on. Whether she has been successful [in pure monetary terms] (just as womens' mags are successful but include pages of fiction, and could encourage all sorts of health and other problems, because they go out of their way to suggest what is and is not 'beautiful' or 'fashionable') is another matter.
Sad to lose someone young and with fresher ideas from politics, but worse to see nasty comments from those who should have been more supportive, if there is to be greater equality in our society.
fridge I wish I was LM I might not be struggling to afford the £350 for a new car part right now, I'd be flying off to New York to waft my husband's credit card around a bit.
How on earth is Corby a Tory seat?
It's surrounded by leafy lanes. See today's article in the huffington post uk politics section.
She is amassive disappointment to women and feminists already by changing her name to that of her second husband. Now she resigns to spend more time with family -why not ship her new husband over here to do hours of childcare in 2012. Loads of stepfathers help a lot with children. But no - she's female so she will always follow men's careers. What a terrible led down and example.
One take is that she was not promoted by Cameron - that might well be the reason.
So people who oppose her politics should be supportive of her because she's young and fresh?
I don't get it - is it normal practise for the resignation letter and reply from the PM to hit the press? Should we be bothered how and why these have even been given to the press?
I'm not sure she is a loss to British politics as I don't know anything about her performance as a back bencher. I do know about her face lifts and have seen her photo shoots and troll spats. I just haven't warmed to her.
I wasn't impressed when she left the House of Commons select committee early to pick her kids up from school. I don't think she did strike a blow for flexible working or for working parents. I thought it was embarrassing. If I had a crucial meeting at work I'd ensure I had water tight childcare for that day and wouldn't be announcing that I was leaving early. I'd quietly let my boss know that I might need extra time another day.
I did like how she foiled the attempts of a tabloid journalist to expose her earlier drug use by forwarding his very unpleasant (blackmail) email to another paper along with her reply. She showed great guts then.
I do support her politics and still feel let down. Noone with backbone and grit and doing what is right leaves a consistuency at this stage in a Parliament with only 1900 majority. Whether she's young and fresh or not is nothing to do with this. She is letting women down and giving a poor example to her children.
No squoosh supporting her because she is young and fresh is ridiculous. However other women shouldn't drag her through the mud BECAUSE she's a woman. You might not like her politics but you can keep out of the mud slinging and be supportive of a woman who tried to make a difference but decided her family came first.
Feminist disappointment or not she had a go, which is more than most people can be bothered to do.
For the record, I'm not a particular fan of hers.
Networkguy - what fresh ideas did LM have? When I last saw her on Newsnight she was saying something or the other about some sort of 'women's issue' (I can't remember what it was) that sounded as if it came out of the 50s.
We should be more supportive of her??? No it's the other way round - she is/was supposed to support (and represent) (some of) us.
I'd be fascinated to see if a man quitting his position to spend time with his family would be treated the same here.
I think a lot of people are highly doubtful whether she is quitting politics 'to spend time with herfamily'.
No Helen I see absolutely no reason to be supportive of a woman who uses the excuse that she is going to 'put her family first' in order to get out of doing an irksome, poorly paid job in a country in which she clearly no longer wants to live for reasons which have nothing to do with her children. Had she pointed out that MPs aren't paid anything like enough for the job that we would like the to be doing, even before you consider the sort of sexist press attention that female MPs like her have to put up with, that I could have happily supported. But not this.
I might be wrong but she was preselected candiate or even after election was before she remarried although her new husbands ex reckons one of her books written in past was about her husband shes known him a while maybe from her prievious jobs when she worked for a record company.
But still she must have know a constituency outside londona nd being an my would be a time commitment. if she wanted to stand down at next election think its june 2015 then fair enough.
I did think she would get a job in cabinet.
I have no doubt she could easily get a job in the media.
I dount we will ever know the real reason.
I feel dissapointed in her as thinks eh could have made a difference.
being in public eyes not like any other job
im sure shes probably full aware of the backlash.
I imagine the pms annoyed. it was a labour seat before she took it.
I agree with she is a poor example and gives the impression of just playing around with politics. Dipping her toe in, finding it doesn't suit and then off to do something else. Many many women haven't her option of just walking out of jobs. They need the money too much. She doesn't. All in all it's a pretty poor show and does nothing for the cause of women in the workplace.
mrsbaldwin I meant in the same way as you might be supportive and think well of any woman who reached high office or success, like Jessica Ennis for instance.
Yes she LM is supposed to support and represent her constituency which she does by turning up to work each day but it doesn't mean we can't be supportive of her as an achieving woman. Why would those things be mutually exclusive?
aGiraffe So you've never ever had a childcare failure? A nanny walked out and left you in the mire? Childminder got sick? This stuff happens and sometimes the buck stops with mum. I don't care if it's a select committee or a meeting with the Queen. If I have to get my lo I'll go get him. Parliament could do with a spate of childcare based incidents. Remind them what it's like for us normal folks.
Yes I have and of course it was a total nightmare and ironically my career did completely plateau after I had DS. I was a lone parent and the juggling was impossible.
But I don't think she left the select committee early because she'd been let down by her nanny / Ex Husband. I just felt it was a hugely important day, loads of publicity and press interest. Cynically I felt she was drawing attention to herself rather than actually had to pick up her kids and absolutely no one could. Though I agree with you Radio it sort of highlights what it's like for normal people - but also got my back up - because she's not normal - she's got heaps of money and no doubt brilliant support. I thought it was an opportunistic way of getting a message across.
Also - if this was a man I think we'd think "spending more time with the family" would be a euphemism for "scandal coming, shit is about hit the fan"
Radiohelen do I have to be supportive of Margaret Thatcher as well?
How about Sarah Palin or Rebecca Brookes?
Just so I know that the new line is be supportive of ANY woman no matter how objectionable solely because of her gender
I think you are right about our assumptions around of the phrase "spending more time with the family" although I do think that is a bloke's issue so let them deal with it.
I think if I were her I would have put out a press release saying I'd applied for Stewardship of the Chiltern Hundreds.
Then there would have been no discussion about her suitability, gender, moral or otherwise for the role of MP.
Olympywindowmash - I didn't mean to imply she wasn't interested in politics but I do wonder whether she put in the hard graft that most politicians have to do before they get selected.
I have a friend who has basically given years of her life to a political party -pounding the streets handing out leaflets or glad handing people or stuffing envelopes for all sorts of crap local and national elections all over the country in order to get herself into a position where she could be selected. In the end when it was her time the leadership pushed someone else - who wasn't famous but was regarded as up and coming.
RadioHelen - I'm supportive of the principle that there can women holding high office, achieving in sport, doing jobs that used to be done solely by men, and where that means changing the rules a bit to aid their progress, so be it (eg in her resignation letter LM says that Cameron gave her special dispensation to work flexibly - that's great in principle).
But supporting the principle doesn't mean I have to be a supporter of an individual woman. I'm not a Tory. There have been some Tory women (by this I mean politicians) I could probably say I admire, if not agree with. But not LM.
AGiraffeOnTheDivingBoard my original thoughts on her leaving the select committee early were similar to yours (attention seeking) but I recall I subsequently read that it was her changeover day with ex and therefore a non-negotiable as her children had not seen her for some time anyway. I still think she could have left the select committee with less fuss but can see why she didn't just arrange additional childcare.
I don't think you can be an MP and a mother to young children. It's really not the kind of job that can be juggled around.
?? Denise. So can you be an MP and FATHER of young children? What an odd assertion!
metabilis that is interesting. What are you in? I was in the financial sector in a risk based role with client facing aspects. I have worked for quite a few companies in that capacity both local to my home and in town and while the industry is inherently sexist the individual men do not have that type of sexism in their conversation - it's more to do with leering at girls and sniggering at strip clubs and stuff and the higher up director level types were generally pretty careful what they said full stop. Certainly the sexism was entrenched in the system so there was no need for it to be discussed - men didn't have to say to women that they shouldn't be there as over a certain level there were hardly any there and the ones who were there wouldn't take that kind of shit without saying something.
This sort of thing does vary widely between industries, so it would be good to know what you are in so I can warn my daughters!!! Sounds awful. Guessing trading / sales of some sort? They are the worst stories that I have heard.
She no doubt has a script in the pipeline about a female in politics and wants to pitch it to the USA !
Two years in post to do the research no doubt.
Haven't read the thread completely but saw someone compare her to Jessica Ennis. Really??? I would have liked to see her dedication to her chosen profession, a la Ms Ennis.
She was elected to represent a constituency. If she did not think it was compatible with her family life, she still ought to have fulfilled her promise and worked the next two years, then decided not to stand for re election.
Watch the space, she will be soon working on a much more profitable project. Hasn't she launched a software to rival twitter recently? The two years as an MP was to raise her profile and get a touch of gravitas to her chick lit milquetoast persona!
@Denise Yvonne Cooper seems to manage OK.
Sorry, Yvette. My brain is in meltdown after a hour speaking in German. My grasp of german is bobbins.
@Sardine I do not work in trading or sales. I'm in a traditional profession at director level.
So a doctor or a lawyer?
Can't be doctoring so I guess it's lawyering!
I'm not sure why you're being so cagey I doubt anyone will guess who you are from a simple "this is my field" comment!
There probably is enough money in managing Metallica to not need an MP's salary. Or maybe she thinks her twitter style website is going to take off .
The family reason is a bit lazy, IMO, though I'm glad she is going as I don't think she was very good.
@sardine Please stop trying to out me.
Is this the new feminism?
I know a really shitty industry which is simply awful to women.
Oh I am a woman and I have two daughters will you tell me what industry it is?
Oh sorry shouldn't assume you're a feminist!
Sardine, I wonder why you say "can't be doctoring"?
Plenty of raised eyebrows when I even me tion the needs of my children in the doctors' mess.
So still not one person can write about one thing she has done for Corby. Kind of makes my point for me. Average looking blonde gets a safe seat because she filled the quota and not up to the job.
I mean what kind of woman remarries without telling her children. A selfish one.
As for those writing she is young. She's over 40 and well into middle age. She should be able to stick at something for more than 2 years especially if you have sought and been given the peoples trust.
arf at Corby being a safe seat
IIRC the Tories recruited a few 'celebraTories', whom the complacent voters might identify with, at a time when the Labour Party were at an all time low - they were very clever and won over the electorate. I think a lot of habitual Labour voters went with the Lib Dems and the Green Party (i have no figures to quote, just a straw poll at the time between friends and family) so they snuck in via the back door.
Corby had been a Labour stronghold for (i think) 17 years before this
Isn't her majority less than 2000?
yup, and that accounts (probably) for the increased votes for 'other' parties
Corby is a marginal and tends to end up having voted for whoever comes to power. So Con at moment, prev Labour, earlier Con.
I wish out waste of space MP would resign. She has a majority of 300 over the previous, very well-respected Labour MP. The local electorate in this university constituency believed Lib Dem lies.
clemette because of the locations
NetworkGuy, are you Louise Mensch? In case you are, thank fuck you're out of here you talentless, inane, self publicising hump of meat Fucking work for a living like the rest of us.
Not pointing in that direction anyway
I honestly don't understand why not use the opportunity to share info about what sounds like an atrocious industry for women - even worse than mine which had a 40% pay gap not so long ago! Knowledge is power and all that but not if people won't share it with you!
Because some people are very protective of sharing too much on the internet. It is their prerogative.
I don't see that naming an entire industry / profession is going to out someone!
Unless it is "Queen" or similar!
I am happy to talk about my industry with anyone who is interested and tell them what roles are good, what qualifications you need, how it is for work/life, when the sexism kicks in and so on.
It just seems odd to say you work in an industry where men will quite openly say to women working at higher levels who have families that they are not capable of doing their job - which is pretty extreme - and then point blank refuse to say what industry it is! This is the sort of information that women and girls need - but if the people in the know won't share how are we ever going to get anywhere.
Anyway it's no probs I have garnered the info from MN anyway and the answer is such a huge industry I hardly think the problem of "outing" is pertinent
For what it's worth, my surgery consultant believes that women with children can not be good surgeons because they often ask to go part-time and he doesn't believe you can gain the experience part-time.
Then we get Osborne about this on TV saying women should put families first. It is all very very sexist and it is a knife in the career prospects of every women every time one gives up work like this. it is very bad for women.
So her first husband is American and does most of the childcare in Corby where the children are based and live and they are under 10. Her second husband is a very rich American who is old enough to be her father (bet the children won't like that). If the children's father does most of the childcare they can stay here and she can be with ageing loverboy in NY. Perhaps the ex husband is keen to move to the US anyway which might be behind this too.
It was always very strange that she married so quickly and ni secret and yet did not live with her husband or he with her. As ever ever a woman marrying up. How many women on this thread earn 10x what their husband does or even double?
I did (before starting retraining to ensure I do so again )
I cant beleive the live in Corby it is soooooooooo horrible there really depressing and run down Im really surprised her rich husband has put up with it for this long
nice informed post there broody
Do I need to link to a talk guidelines reminder?
clemette yes that is a big problem.
From talking to people I know, and there was a prog on the telly, about female consultants. the people on the telly said that for women it was either career or kids and that was more or less that. My family know one woman consultant with quite a few children but she is rare and considered by all and sundry to be exceptionally talented / focussed etc etc. I have been told that many women go into general practice because this is the area which is most lucrative + possibility for part time work etc.
There needs to be change in so many industries still, I think for those working in more "family friendly" roles it feels like job done but we are miles off.
She has been married to Peter Mensch for not much more than a year. What she really meant by her statement is not that she can't make family life work, but that she can't make family life work now she has a husband who lives in the USA.
I can't help but feel she's a bit of a surrendered wife, giving up her life for her new man. Uprooting her children from their schools and lives. Is she removing them from their father or does he also live in the USA?
My industry for eg did not countenance part-time after mat leave. It felt like a great industry and I progressed well until I started a family. For various reasons I did not want to work full time at that stage and so that was it, out.
The organisation was full of bright young people out of uni etc and who had risen from other organisations and it was all terribly wonderful until you looked and realised that past middle management there was one woman and at director level none. And I don't think in that industry I have ever worked for a co with a female director.
Thing is of course that many / most girls / women don't think about it until it happens to them - the family stuff - and it is a terrible shock when it goes pear shaped. Which is why I think that knowing what industries and what roles are going to be appropriate for someone who wants a career but maybe not to have to get there through being "one of the boys" 24/7 is important for women and parents and careers people and so on. So that girls and women can choose whether or not they want to take their talent into a field where they are going to have to fight tooth and nail and be put down the whole time and all the rest of it. or not. I would choose not, personally, I'm not the pioneering type!
And so while Louise Mencsh may well have other reasons for quitting - I think that the reaction to her quitting is interesting. Showing that many women even feel that other women must not show the "weakness" of admitting they have a family. It's a bit sad and shows how little we have progressed really.
Sardine - my take on the original post was not that there was anything wrong with Mensch saying her resignation was due to family reasons but the way the media were likely to try and spin that to 'prove' that women MPs can't hack it. Propercharlie said Whatever you think of her, I'm dreading the "look ladies, told you! You cant have it all" nonsense that is about to hit the media...
I think the speculation that 'family reasons' might be a rather simplistic term for her actual reason for resigning is inevitable for a politician given the long history of people 'spending more time with their families', i.e. being politely fired.
If she was resigning for family reasons my reaction would be different.
But she isn't. At best she is resigning to be with her husband; most likely she is following the money and the prestige and fancies New York more than Corby.
trib it was stated on the thread by one person in particular that it was not the media reaction they were concerned about but the reaction of men at work.
I agree about the media reaction but I think the reaction will be different from different sections of the media (another view that went down like a lead balloon )
fancies New York more than Corby?!
"When one is tired of Corby, one is tired of life".
Ha ha ha @ 'tired of Corby, tired of life'
She is ambitious, fiercely intelligent and eloquent. Shame on the people knocking her based on a few soundbites.
There must be something better in the pipeline for her, which is a shame as I liked having her in the Tory ranks. I couldn't picture her as a 'surrendered wife'.
Agree she gives Working mothers a bad name especially when she had to leave the Murdoch case early to pick up her kids. Jeez you'd thought she could afford some emergency childcare on that occasion.
Well maybe if she goes to work in the media some kind sole will teach her how not to have every photo portrait she sits for turn our looking as if she is about to fellate someone.
I wonder if, when people quit their jobs to be stay at home mums, or decide not to go back after maternity leave, there is this much contempt for them, with snidy comments about rich husbands and surrendered wives?
Is New York ready for her.
dunno about NY being ready for her, but Corby is partying
Claudia Winkleman has quit her job on Strictly in order to spend more time with her family. Do we think the same about her? Excuse Daily Mail link for those who are sensitive to those things.
Clyt, she was ELECTED to do an important job of public service. She knew what the commitment was.
I don't really care how women manage their work-life balance as long as they are HONEST. Most SAHM I know acknowledge that they don't WANT to go to work. A small number stay at home because they can't make childcare work finacially or practically. Mensch is doing this because she wants a new job in a new country. If she came out and said she was doing it for her man then I would appreciate her honesty but to say it is because she is a working mother strikes me as disingenuous.
Winkleman did not PROMISE to serve her constituents as Mensch did when she swore her oath.
Threads like this always make me wonder if most MNers have massive chips on their shoulder. It's ludicrous to think that the decision she is making is symptomatic of what other women have to deal with. It does not mark a step backwards for working women, no a lowering of the glass ceiling.
Of course she can't balance the needs of her family. Her family is highly abnormal - with her husband living in New York. It has nothing to do with her being a working woman, an MP, or anything else. The Tory party (and I'm no fan) seem to have done lots to try and help her balance things, but there's absolutely no way that they could or should be doing more so as she can manage life more easily when he husband is in the States. That would be ludicrous.
And as for the 'well he should give up his job' line, don't be so presumptuous. She's hardly a put upon wifey. I would bet my bottom dollar that it was roundly debated in the household and I'm reasonably confident that his superior earnings will have been a deciding factor. That's a sensible decision in any family (where the decision is about MOVING continents, not about giving up work, remember). And unless you're thinking that MPs should be earning the millions he probably makes then it's hardly surprising that the decision fell the way it did.
FWIW I have spent the last decade working in the oil industry - which is about as male dominated as it comes. I have never encountered an ounce of sexism and I know lots of incredibly successful women (mothers and not) who have worked their way through. However, like every other working mother I know I do sometimes have to make hard decisions and sacrifice time I'd like to spend with my family. But that's just life. And my husband makes similar decisions every day - in fact he moved jobs after our first child was born (which involved a significant pay cut) so that he could be home more than he would otherwise have been. Both women AND men make these sorts of decisions all the blimming time.
Enjoyed your post there sylvie
No chip here. I just loathe Mensch and her "feminism-light".
And life decisions are not always based on money, nor should they be.
I entirely agree clem, however I imagine that her decision was.
But she is already a millionaire from her "novels". She wasn't doing her job for the money.
A fine example of how you can build a high profile career on tweeting alone. Didn't she bitch about not having a government job yet recently?
And... And... I don't think you should be ABLE to give up being an MP because it suits you better financially to live in another country.
She's vile and hideous. Great to see her go to the US and leave parliament. I wish we could send the rest of the Tories and lib dems with her.
Is it not possible to be supportive of her and stop character assassinating her? Take a deep breath and imagine being on the receiving end of this discussion especially when she has made such a massive decision. Hurtful comments about her writing or her ability as an MP is below the belt. Whatever you think this would have been a courageous decision so focus on that rather than be just mean
i'm not just being mean, she's been a shit MP for me
I loathe her politics. Her writing (and the basis of her plots ) is appalling. I condemn women who put their husbands before their children (especially when it involves moving them away from their own father). What am I supposed to be supportive of?
Shame we can give our opinion without virtually being labelled mean bitches. And since when have MP's only punched above the belt. Figuratively speaking of course!
Out of interest what is her politics?
I mean obviously she is a tory, but despite seeing her speaking many times I have never heard her talk about anything / in a way that seemed to relate to politics in any particular way.
She never seemed that dangerous to me...
If it was nadine dorries who was going I would be strewing flowers from my hat - she is a person where "any female is better than none" does fall down somewhat flat on its face...
I mean, i don't remember seeing her throwing her weight behind any controversial policies or anything.
I just couldn't get that worked up about her - and for a tory that is quite a feat I have never really understood why she attracted such strong (negative) opinions. if you're going to hate a tory there are far far more obvious targets!!!
what I hate about this thread is it is character assassination of a public figure who we don't know - we might think we do through all the different types of media at our disposal but we don't. We do not walk in her shoes, we have not had the same life experiences but i know that if i read this backlash about me it would hurt whether I was in the public eye or not
Is coniger LM? Why can't people say her writing's shit?
she had no politics of her own
i emailed her on occasion (eg; abortion clinics and counselling, the changes to legal aid, support for a local service funding) each time she replied with the line that she would not be voting against the government.
she took no local cause to the house, i never heard her speak in favour of her constituents.
falsestarted that is poor but not surprising.
I get the same from mine
Not that I've emailed her more than twice though!
"I have strong feelings of hero worship towards him. I was longing to brand myself with his name for a very long time. He's a living legend, and to be his wife is the greatest honour." LM on her husband.
I mean, crikey.
DH is OK, and all that, but I've not branded myself. I take it she doesn't mean literally
<googles pics of mr mensch>
And on her career: "I'm not even a PPS [parliamentary private secretary, the lowest rung on the government ladder]! It's kind of annoying. What do I have to do to get promoted over here? Am I being disloyal? I don't know. I need to sit down with my whip and say, 'What do I have to do?' No, every time there is a raft of PPS promotions and my name is not on them, I have to sit down and think, 'What am I doing wrong?'"
Coniger- she makes me vomit. I can't help that. She is attractive but utterly talentless as a writer or politician and with odious views to boot.
Interesting that Lousise Mensch is one of @RupertMurdoch 's 24 followees.
I must say I wondered if this resignation was in any way connected to Murdoch. Has she a job lined up with one of the Murdoch companies. Why would this not be a surprise. I just simply don't believe she has made this decision because of her family.
clemette I can't see much wrong with that quote though, just sounds honest!
scummymummy which of her views are odious? I would really be interested in finding out as when I saw her I was always left very unoffended - and for a tory MP that is quite something!
I also think that being an MP for a marginal seat will have played into this as well. When she is talking to her current DH about who quits and relocates, he probably said what happens if you lose the next election - will I be rebuilding my career once yours takes a nose dive?
Maybe she wants kids with the new DH too, and figures after she serves her term kids will be off the agenda for her?
But I do feel that her lack of commitement to her constituents is very poor - she was elected in 2010 and married in 2011 - so we can assume that she had plans for a future with him when she was elected, what was her strategy for their relationship?
I don't know any couples that decided to marry despite living in different countries without a plan to actually be together in the short term.
Sardine, nothing wrong with the political ambition. It just seems a dramatic about turn.
Mostly her views are standard Tory fayre. Anti gay-marriage, pro-life, pro-fox hunting, anti European expansion, lower taxes for the well off etc etc.
Husband lives in New York, children live in Corby, she's in Westminster Monday to Thursday. It was never going to work once she married again. Debate should be whether it was good on her for trying or unrealistic from the word go. Putting her family first has to be right.
I've done the stupid hours, travelling, long commute thing but at least I always manage to live in the same house as my family. For good or ill, MPs don't.
I remember nearly upchucking hearing her talk about the slapper walks. She is breathtakingly sexist and missed the point entirely. Suspect that's a theme for her.
I've been reading a few articles about her. Apparently she started out as a tory, then joined the Labour party, and then went back to being a Tory! And this marrying in secret without even telling her own children. What kind of woman does that.
Mensch isn't content to be just a constituency MP, and she's too much of a liability to be anything more than that. It's in everybody's interest that she steps down.
Corby is a marginal seat and Mensch won her seat by a majority of just 1,500. It will be very exciting to see what happens there. <<excited>>
Well it will be Lib Dems nil points thats for sure.
Marrying in secret is shit.
"Corby is a marginal seat and Mensch won her seat by a majority of just 1,500. It will be very exciting to see what happens there. "
Job vacancy! Who fancies standing?
Comments there make me feel rather tame!
I can't be arsed to read the whole of this thread because most of the first two pages as it made me feel so despondent. But yey sisterhood .
None of us really know anything of her private life, not really our business. But she had stopped a lucrative career to do something she felt was worthwhile, with what I will assume was a motive to make a change. Perhaps she realised her novels were shallow nonsense and wanted to make a real difference to people's lives. Whether you agree with her politics or not, you cannot deny her motivation was honourable.
I think it is utterly crap that she is the one who has to quit her job and move to New York and not the other way round. Surely managing a band is way more flexible than the hours/career of an mp. So much for a woman's choice. And when you read this thread, I'm not surprised she felt she had no other choice. I can't believe I feel so het up about a thread on mumsnet but the majority of you sound like a bunch of small minded judgy individuals who are unable to see past their own lives.
I am not a Tory, but I am very sorry to see a woman MP having to resign for family reasons. No man would cite this as a reason. It seems incredibly incredibly unfair. And even sadder that she is moaned and bitched about.
Things will never change if the main critic in these situations is other women.
scummymummy what are slapper walks?
Oh just realised do you mean slutwalk?
I know: "we may not have seen the last of Louise Mensch." sounds positively threatening.
I'm sad to see her go. She is the living incarnation of Pandora Braithwaite from the Adrian Mole series. I always felt entertained.
"with what I will assume was a motive to make a change"
"you cannot deny her motivation was honourable."
Why not? Because you assume that it is?
And when someone admits that they haven't read the whole thread but comes on to lecture everyone else, including the many people whose posts they "couldn't be arsed to read", it really pisses me off.
Gosh,her husband is old. (Have googled - eurgh.)
No accounting for tastes.
Also, she didn't "stop a lucrative career". She's continued writing alongside her work as an MP, and has found time to launch an Internet start-up in the US as well.
She is resigning to live with her husband in New York. Thats it really, nothing to do with balancing life with her children.
"She is the living incarnation of Pandora Braithwaite from the Adrian Mole series."
OMG bang on! That has made my day
True, mindosa.But the kids make a convenient excuse whereas the husband would just sound selfish.
I suspect, along with others, that it is neither the hubby nor the kids which are the real reason, but either a scandal about to break here (trad reason for spending more time with one's family) or more likely the pull of as yet unknown better career opportunities in the US. Time will tell. Maybe we're being unfair and no career will emerge there (or attempt at one), and she will be photographed on endless trips to the park with her kids. Can't see it myself for one so blatantly ambitious, but maybe the leopard has genuinely changed its spots.
If the kids are just a cover, I think it's a bit mean to tar other women with the 'can't cope' brush.
Has anyone found out yet if her ex husband who is the young children's main care giver is also moving to NY and if her children will go with her to NY or whether she is just going there for sex with her OAP husband and because he is very rich and MPs and writing tends to be paid peanuts?
Not sure why people are surprised that she has resigned rather than her DH. MP salary is approx £66k.
Peter Mensch owns his own management company, and manages some very, very high profile acts - Metallica, Jimmy Page, RHCP, Muse, Josh Groban. I can't imagine any scenario where his earnings are eclipsed by hers???
Has anyone read "A Kept Woman"?
It is FASCINATINGLY awful. I mean, CAPTIVATINGLY so. Definitely the worst-written, worst-conceived "novel" ever "penned". I read it when I was 14 and my friends and I used to sit on the school steps reading bits out and shrieking with laughter.
But squidgy, HER job is more important.
And, once again, depressing that people of their wealth and stature make life decisions based on how to get EVEN more money...
I predict a tax avoidance scandal is imminent.
More important to who?
Considering that her capability as an MP has been constantly questioned, and her popularity with her own constituents appears to me minimal, I would argue the opposite.
Had she have had a massive impact, and used her position to campaign for worthy causes I may have felt differently. As it is, I don't see that she is going to be any loss at all to UK politics.
And its not necessarily making a decision to increase their existing wealth, but may be a decision reached because it is the most logical and practical solution to a problem. Just because somebody has a higher profile and perhaps more income than the majority, it doesn't mean the same problems don't arise for them. If my DH lived and worked in another country, it would be most practical for me to move to him as he earns at least double what I do. That's not to say my job isn't equally important to his, just that his earnings would sustain our lifestyle, where mine wouldn't.
She entered into a contract with the electorate and swore an oath to serve their interests. It should be for the electorate to decide when she goes. I am sure the people of Corby are happy she has gone but it sits uneasily that she has gone to chase the money, breaking up a family unit in the process, to be with an old man who she hero worships. These are not valid reasons in my opinion.
How do you know she has broken up a family? Are you closely connected to her Ex? (Who just so happens to be American with ties to New York, where she plans to move). What makes you assume she 'hero worships' her DH? Do you know either of them? Have you tried sustaining a relationship with you each living on different continents, with an ocean between you?
I entered into a contract with my employers, as did everybody who is employed. It doesn't mean that they can prevent me from leaving.
If it were a man in this situation, this debate would be very very different.
Did you read the quote up thread where she said (direct quote) "I hero worship him" and talks about branding herself with his name?
The debate would not be different if it was a man. The scenario would still be one adult taking the children away from their other parent and abandoning a long-term public commitment for the sake of lust and money.
The debate with you would be easier if you actually read what has been written.
Her ex is Anglo-Italian.
1. She has a movie deal in the US.
2. Boris wants to be an MP now,
3. She has realised that you can't be a feminist and a tory, so after publicly supporting the lib dems and nick clegg, is leaving her seat to labour, making a withering "frustrated" remark to david cameron.
What exactly has she done in her short term career as an MP. Not a lot by the sound of it. And let's face it. Everything Louise Bagshawe does is for the benefit of Louise Bagshawe and nobody else.
If it was any other constituency I'd hope it was 2 just for comedy value.
As it is I'm hoping it's option 1 or 3.
luckywinner Do you know anything about Louise Mensch at all? Apart from the fact that she's a woman and therefore we should all be blind to things such as her voting record, attendance record in Parliament and her constituency, work she has done on behalf of constituents, contributions to Parliamentary debates, searching questions she asked the Murdochs as a member of the Culture, Media and Sport sub-committee? *
Basically, the boring things that MPs do when they're not promoting themselves on Newsnight and Twitter?
* that was a trick question btw. But she did remind James Murdoch they had children the same age. Maybe she was angling for playdate.
ROFL at Pandora Braithwaite.
I liked her standing up to trolls thing. Remember reading about her home life and puzzling how on earth the NY/London/Corby set up could work long term.
Good thing that can come out of this
1. Looking at demands on MPs with young families. Debating whether this a reason why we have so few female MPs and should /can more be done to accommodate.
I don't support / not support LM because she is a woman. I consider myself a feminist. This doesn't mean I automatically agree with or support all decisions made by all women. I get frustrated when I'm am meant to blindly agree with someone because of the "sisterhood".
My DH doesn't agree with everything another man says because of their gender. IMO it is not a sign of feminism principle to think we should be supportive of LM just because of her gender.
If family life is so important, why didn't her husband move to the UK?
Are you in Corby, Woolly?
It may be both 1 and 3
Making this a debate about balancing family life is ridiculous. She is trying to dress it up as this but ultimately she wants to live with the husband she her worships/gets botox for/dresses up for (her words, not mine)
Thats absolutely fine but say its this and dont try and dress it up as something sanctimonious. Hopefully this is the last we hear of her.
I cant read those type of books. If I am reading trashy novels, I want proper good trash, Jeffrey Archer, Jilly Cooper, Barbara Taylor Bradford etc
This is all rather silly.
Her DH lives in the US.
She is moving herself and kids to be there ( they aren't his kids as far as I know.)
Looks pretty straightforward. Balancing work and home can mean you can't work in London ( as an MP or anything) and commute to the US as well.
Her writing is a separate issue and I don't see why is matters here so much- unless maybe some people are jealous that she is pretty?
not jealous of her looks
Ugh, why are women so often assumed to be jealous of other women's looks? Is that all our little minds can absorb 'pretty, prettier, prettiest, yuck, not pretty'.
Amelia are you playing anti-feminist bingo?? Or do you really think one woman can't criticise the behaviour of another without it being about jealousy? What a crass and superficial comment.
To be fair clement women are crass and superficial, aren't we?
In our own little way we're quite good at it. Though we'll never be as good at being crass and superficial as someone like Dave, for example
In politics, resigning for "family reasons" is usually an indicator of a scandal on the horizon.
But since she is the one with the powerful job I am a bit at her, rather than her DH making the choice to resign.
He DH makes ££££££££££££££ she makes ££, not so surprising that she is the one doing the resigning.
<<shrug>> I make way more ££ than DH, yet it's assumed I'm the one that should give up their job for the sake of the offspring.
It's the old sexual double standard at work. I don't know whether to feel sorry for her constitutients or not.
what makes you unsure about feeling sorry for her constituents, slug?
why does she get so slated?
he is a sucessful attractive (so shoot her!) writer who had a short term career as an MP
only thing that got me was death threats against her kids on twitter
maybe thats why shes moving, fuck all to do with feminism
She gets slated because she is self-serving, claims to speak from women like me, and she is a Tory. She has made this about her family when it is actually about being a puppy dog to her husband.
I like honesty.
I REALLY wish people would do their research into her as a woman and MP before deciding that the only complaint we have is that she is attractive.
No one has slated her for being attractive!
<nearly, almost, actually pulls her hair out>
I think the Guardian slated her for having plastic surgery
MN/Guardian- same difference
having plastic surgery is not the same as being attractive though
Not just a labour / Tory split on this one though. Norman Tebbit's not too happy with her leaving early and using tax payers' money to fund a by election. After his wife was injured in IRA bomb he saw out his tenure and made it clear he wouldn't stand again so that he could care for her.
I don't think this is about family commitments. I think releasing this statement during the Olympics is very interesting timing as is the reason given. Maybe all will come clear soon
have clearly watched too many episodes of In the Thick of it
AIBU-DM-Jeremy Kyle. A common DNA.
why are people so cross, care even? I think its a bit of a non issue
''having plastic surgery is not the same as being attractive though''
I don't think the Guradian slated her, they just asked her directly in an interview whether it was true or not. I think she may have declined to answer. I was just surprised that such a young woman would have a face lift.
well, i care because she was my fucking MP porca
not any more false
I dont even know why my MP is
I am in politics section however
don't let the
door bang your arse on the way out rain ruin your hair
Blimey. Never thought I'd find myself in agreement with Norman Tebbitt.
Saw her once on Have I got News for You and thought her rather an airhead. Good riddance, hopefully once less Tory MP.
She's not a fool. She must have known that it would be difficult to juggle work and family life before she stood as an MP!! I doubt, even before becoming an MP, she was rushing about looking after the children whilst penning her 'novels'......I suspect she has full time child care anyway.
Was Louise Bagshawe ever called Lousie first husband's surname, does anyone know?
Rachel Sylvester wrote a silly article about Mensch in today's Times. Mensch's resignation was actually nothing to do with balancing family life.
you don't say Frieda
is it the Times behind one of those paywall thingies?
Isn't she just an easily bored, self-centred woman who can't stick at anything worthwhile and likes a bit of excitement in her life?
Oh honestly, she's married to one of the richest men in New York. Why not resign - she won't get anywhere under the Tories and she certainly doesn't need the money.
Anyway, she's set up a company that's a "rival" to Twitter & presum. wants to do that. (Good luck with that.)
'she won't get anywhere under the Tories'
Hold on Corbygal!
I thought it was about 'serving' your constituents and 'making a difference'!
'She is ambitious, fiercely intelligent and eloquent.'
Hold on Darryl!
Have you got the right person? She's no Thatcher!
Maybe she wants another baby. So I suppose it might be a bit easier if she at least lived on the same continent as her husband.
re "She is ambitious, fiercely intelligent and eloquent."
claig - I think Darryl was simply quoting Nigel Kennedy, who said that (or something very similar) about her, after questions about her time with EMI when she and he went clubbing and may have used drugs...
I really think this whole family thing is a red herring
also not quite sure why every woman in public eye is supposed to set an example, but anyway
HER CHILDREN RECEIVED DEATH THREATS ON TWITTER, surely anyone would consider leaving a role in the public eye if thats the kind of shit you get?
sod that for a game of soldiers, she likely earns far more money writing her chick-shit books
She does not live in Corby but in leafy east northants (the posher half of her constituency). Her children attend a private school. As has been mentioned earlier the guardian said she was planning to stand down in 2015, though whether she would have been voted in again in a marginal constituency is questionable hence jumping early " before her kids get too settled in their schools" (youngest is age 5).
Fingers crossed for a labour win in the by election.
Not rocket science, surely.
She was doing a crap job as a constituency MP (I have family in Corby...). Almost certain to lose her seat come next GE. Too lightweight for anyone to give her anything more substantial in government in the mean time - her policies were Party-line Tory, not an original thought in her head.
Meanwhile, she has a flashy new dh in the States & would prefer her dc not to get too settled in Northants. Fair enough.
The only reason not to bail out would've been a sense of responsibility to the Conservatives for dropping her so neatly into position, & presumably expecting her to stick it out until they got bored with her rather than vice versa. Her constituents don't seem sorry to see the back of her.
On the basis that she's answering exclusively to 'What's most convenient for Louise Mensch?', it's obviously a perfectly sensible decision.
I just caught some of Channel 4 news where Louise Mensch is being slated by her constituents. I'll try and watch it on plus 1. Apparently she was more or less useless.
In fairness, I'm not sure how many first term MPs are able to do very much for their constituents (okay markedly less if they consistently state they have no intention of voting against the government) - you would have no real power base or network, no clear idea of how to get things done, and very little ability to trade favours to get what you want.
Not sure how many "consistently state they have no intention of voting against the government" but with the whip system, the vast majority seem incapable of showing any backbone and vote with their party, whatever the pros and cons, or representations made by constituents (and only they and their staff could accurately tell what views were being put forward on any specific issues, so not really that easy to tell, and I'm therefore speculating!)
They don't need to be "on the government side" to be slaves to the whip!
Louise Mensch is an excellent example of why so many people think so little of MPs in general.
I'm not sure why anyone would actually want to be an MP, mind you. It seems like a largely thankless task, unless you are in it for the wrong reasons!...
NetworkGuy, my comment was referring to FalseStartered's on Mon 06-Aug-12 21:14:11:
she had no politics of her own
i emailed her on occasion (eg; abortion clinics and counselling, the changes to legal aid, support for a local service funding) each time she replied with the line that she would not be voting against the government.
When you consider the whip system in addition to all the other barriers to getting stuff done that a first time MP has to face, it is a wonder anyone agrees to do it.
That said, I think the Tebbit model is more appropriate (which is not something you hear every day).
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