Do the leaders wives effect how you will vote?

(51 Posts)
SmileysPeepul Sat 13-Mar-10 10:02:38

I've been pondering this.

Since Sarah Brown came on MN and seemed really relaxed and normal, and more importantly answered my question, with an irnonic wink, which now means we are geat mates obviously, I am feeling much warmer towards Gordon, in a she's OK so he must be OK kind of way.

Sam Cam does nowt for me so far though.

In previous elections DH and I have applied the 'who would you want to you on holiday with?'test.

This year I think I may be changing tactics and ging for the 'whose wife would you want to be mates with test?'

Am I the only one who does this, do the rest of you carefully consider policygrin.

meatntattypie Sat 13-Mar-10 10:06:55

hehehehe saw Justine on the news this morning making a good point about how it is daft that they think we will vote for them just because thier wives are nice.

So defo a big fat NO from me, couldnt give a toss about their partners, its the policies im interested in.

TheFowlAndThePussycat Sat 13-Mar-10 10:16:26

No, although hearing vince cable's wife rachel smith on the radio gave me another reason to wish I could vote for him. She said Sarah brown's 'my husband, my hero' speech was 'a bit 'pass the sick bag''. I laughed out loud at that one.

SmileysPeepul Sat 13-Mar-10 10:18:06

Oh really? Didn't see that. Srry Justineblush.

But, I think people do vote much more emotionally and far less rationally than we'd all like to imagine.

If you feel you can undersatnd the person, relaate to them, you feel somethng genuine, imagined or not obviously, then yu are more likely to have trsust and vote.

I think what their wives are like, comes subtly into ths judgement of them as a person. Probably wrongly admittedly, but it doesn't make it less true.

I think this effect gets stronger and stroger each election as the policies become hardly distinguishable and certainly the ideology whivh once separeted them seems to have all but disappeared.

ou have to make a judgement on somehjing, so gut reaction often wins.

Granny23 Sat 13-Mar-10 10:21:14

NO (and it should be affect) I am in a bad mood this am........

Charlieandlola Sat 13-Mar-10 10:22:15

No because the wives are not standing for election.
Would have loved to have voted for Dennis, but couldn't bring myself to vote Maggie, for example.

Liked Sarah Brown until My Husband My Hero> I mean come on, seriously< how utterly cringeworthy.

SmileysPeepul Sat 13-Mar-10 10:30:19

I dithered over affect/effect, I have had it explained to me so many times but just cant get itblush.

BelleDameSansMerci Sat 13-Mar-10 10:32:34


StewieGriffinsMom Sat 13-Mar-10 10:32:51

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cat64 Sat 13-Mar-10 10:44:38

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SmileysPeepul Sat 13-Mar-10 10:55:06

Obviously the 'whose wife would you want to be mates with?' and the 'who would you go on holiady with?' tests are flippant expressions, of something that i do think has a truth to it.

how you feel about the party leader will affect/effect (please God someone please finallly help me with that)how you will vote, even if in a very subtle way. And all sorts of things will affect/effect (it's embarrassingnow)this emotional reaction, from what they wear, to how they speak, who their frinds are (very teling one imo) to who they decide to marry.

I thnk to dismisss all this with a confident 'no I'm far too rationale for all that' is really deceiving yourself.

the wife effect(yes?) is on my mind due to sarah Brown on MN, and the impaoct that had on me, and then Sam Cam being launched as a Dave weapon yestreday. I thnk these things do have an affect/effect (I give up.)

Granny23 Sat 13-Mar-10 11:34:10

Tis easy - generally affect is the verb; effect is the noun.

e.g. Do the leaders wives affect your choice?

No, they do not have an effect on my choice.

So if you are putting an 'an' in front it is pprobably an 'effect'

SmileysPeepul Sat 13-Mar-10 11:48:11

<wails> 'that's not simple!!'

Although, no one ever told me about the 'an' thing before that mayve that will crack it??

Or maybe...this should be the test for sufficient inttelligence to be allowed to vote, and that would weed out the numpties who vote for the one with the nicest wifegrin.

TheFowlAndThePussycat Sat 13-Mar-10 13:13:26

I take your point smiley, I'm telling myself I won't vote lib dem cos I don't want to let the Tories in, but in fact I suspect that it's really because Nick Clegg said that idiotic thing about sleeping with loads of women. I just can't warm to him now.

I suppose I just don't really know anything about the wives really so it doesn't affect (that's a verb isn't it?) me in practice. But more to the point I think that's the way it should be, I don't want to know about these women unless they want to be elected to something in their own right. I think that's where Cherie Blair got it wrong, she forgot that she wasn't elected & used her unelected post to campaign on her own issues. This is not to say that her issues, or Sarah Brown's for that matter are not important, just that being married to the prime minister doesn't/shouldn't make you powerful in your own right.

FabIsDoingPrettyWell Sat 13-Mar-10 13:28:11

I will be voting how I am the same as if they were single as married.

The wife shouldn't effect your vote. It should be about policies, not personalities..

sarah293 Sat 13-Mar-10 13:33:24

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legalityfinality Sat 13-Mar-10 13:34:59


no they don't at all

legalityfinality Sat 13-Mar-10 13:37:02

but effect also a verb sometimes granny grin

to effect : make something happen, to bring to pass

FabIsDoingPrettyWell Sat 13-Mar-10 13:42:15

Riven email him again.

sarah293 Sat 13-Mar-10 13:44:46

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FabIsDoingPrettyWell Sat 13-Mar-10 13:51:09

No idea.

Granny23 Sat 13-Mar-10 14:37:16

Yes. Effect can be a verb as you point out but it is a fairly uncommon usage. Much more common is that something will affect you and thereby have an effect upon you.

legalityfinality Sat 13-Mar-10 19:18:01

I agree. Effectively put.

ABetaDad Sat 13-Mar-10 19:59:11

I really wish political parties would stop parading the wives of leaders. We did not see Dennis Thatcher being paraded before the cameras to say that Maragret was a great cook or that she left her tights on the radiator. Of course we knew Dennis was there and of course he gave great support to her behind the scenes.

I have nothing against any of the wives of the political leaders but it is the slavish adoption of American Presdential political campaigning techiques that gets my back up.

It would not influece my vote and I do not want to see or hear from any of the wives again. The outing for Sam Cameron yesterday just opened her up to criticism in a quite unecessary way and the Sarah Brown 'my hero' quote just grates. I do't ned to know what the wives think. I do want to know what their husbands think. I hope the Lib Dems do not feel the need to wheel out Nick Clegg's wife.

sweetjane1 Thu 01-Apr-10 16:59:56

Yes they do affect the way I vote - they're a big turn off. I don't like the "he's my hero" stuff from Sarah B and I can't stand seeing Sam Cam pretending she wears BHS or whatever all the time. Now let's get back to real politics - what did you think of DC's chocolate brown shirt? No seriously I'm going back to the issues.

Ally12 Tue 06-Apr-10 11:41:55

Behind every successful man there is an able woman. Yes, a wife can influence my vote.
Don't forget the influence of a good woman.

No, it won't affect my vote in the slightest - I don't really care if they are lovely people who I'd enjoy meeting in person or not (the potential leaders or their wives). I care if they have policies which I think are good for the country. Their wives may have some influence over them, but that won't make any real difference in determining their policies and political decisions.

MaisietheMorningsideCat Tue 06-Apr-10 12:15:50

No - it doesn't affect my vote. I refuse to bow to the obsession with image we seem to have in this country, and will be voting solely on the issues.

Now I just have to decide which one of the lying, cheating, pocket-lining scumbags to put my cross next to angry

Oblomov Tue 06-Apr-10 12:48:17

No. As if their wives would make me vote. come on. give us some credit.
Actually I don't want to vote for anyone. I can't believe a word they say. that sounds so awful written down. sad

TheCrackFox Tue 06-Apr-10 12:53:59

No, they have no affect on my vote. Infact, I find all this endless parading on wives beyond patronising. The more they are brought out to do their little show pony turn the less likely I am to vote for their DH.

smallwhitecat Tue 06-Apr-10 12:55:02

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scottishmummyofone Tue 06-Apr-10 17:49:58

I think it will have an effect actually.

SamCam comes across as slim and stylish whereas Sarah is portrayed as 'old', 'dowdy' etc.

But its Sarah I warm to, she's not perfect, as shown by her weight and fashion mistakes. She seems normal. SamCam is too smug and too perfect imo. Her house is too clean.

Sarah and Gordon seem to really love each other. I dont know how to describe it, just the way they seem to look at each other, its a real understanding type look. When Sarah describes him as being there for her, her face says she really means it. I haven't seen anything like that from DC and SamCam.

then again I am maybe biased, having met Gordon and Sarah at a work thingie.

I really cannot stand Alex Salmond though.

Batteryhuman Tue 06-Apr-10 18:02:20

I am far more interested in their attitudes to women and the number and calibre of women MPs in each party than in the wives. I particularly loathe the "boden-isation" of the Camerons.

MaryMotherOfCheeses Tue 06-Apr-10 18:05:53


I don't want to like my primeminister and his lovely family.

I want to know he can run the country.

neume Tue 06-Apr-10 18:51:21

This government is talking about making £4.35bn of "efficiency savings" in the NHS to help cut the massive deficit.

After 13 years of Labour government why do they think the NHS is still so inefficient? Either they are incompetent or they are liars.

I don't care how nice his wife is...Gordon Brown is clearly not in charge of a government that can competently govern.

Time for a change.

fridayschild Tue 06-Apr-10 19:03:10

Mrs Nick Clegg has pointed out that as she has a demanding job and 3 kids she cannot drop everything to take 5 weeks off for an election. Good for her, I say.

I do not know how to spell her surname and am not going to try. ThingOne knows, are you around Thing?

omnishambles Tue 06-Apr-10 19:05:34

Just as a lowbrow aside - have the papers branded them 'leaders wives' on purpose? As a joke? Or more seriously to remind all women of their place in life or is it just an 'amusing' coincidence?

Quattrocento Tue 06-Apr-10 19:05:43

I really am going to have to go and have a glass of wine. Am feeling very snippety.

OP. What is the difference between effect and affect?

DuelingFanjo Tue 06-Apr-10 19:09:08

nope. Whoever leads the party doesn't really effect my vote either.

Quattrocento Tue 06-Apr-10 19:12:52


omnishambles Tue 06-Apr-10 19:14:28

oh god quattro [stands well back and proffers JD & coke]

MissJacksonIfYourNasty Tue 06-Apr-10 19:17:57

Why yes, of course.

I see Sarah on TV and think 'Gosh, she is just so down to earth and so jolly well normal. Surely that must mean Gordon is a bloody good and normal bloke, too, and capable of running the country and sorting out the economy and other important manly business?'.

And then I see Samantha (sorry, Sam) on TV and I find myself thinking 'Wow, she is just an average mum, really, and not some posh silver-spoon-in-her-mouth Tory wife working in a job her dad got her at a luxury goods company after all. Why she is just like me! And Dave is just a normal dad who does normal dad things, which means he will probably be excellent at running the country, sorting out the economy etc...


Quattrocento Tue 06-Apr-10 19:18:21

<Grabs drink, downs it in one>


<manages a grateful smile>

DuelingFanjo Tue 06-Apr-10 19:46:28


I will be voting for the lib dem candidate here because a. she's good, b. a labour vote is less likely to keep the tories out, I have no idea who her husband (if she has one) is.

The wives of the leaders don't effect my vote!

CatherineHMumsnet (MNHQ) Wed 07-Apr-10 11:27:53

Just had French TV on the phone - they want to interview us over the issue of Leaders' Wives. They're wondering, as a slight shift in this discussion, whether Mumsnetters object to the fact that the wives are brought out at every key election opportunity. Or we being unfair - it is only to be expected that partners of party leaders will accompany them to a fair share of election trail events?

MaisietheMorningsideCat Wed 07-Apr-10 11:34:02

Surely there's a vast difference between the wives being present at events and them being used as pawns in the election game, with every word, frock and gesture being pounced on by the media - as if in some way we care?

DuelingFanjo Wed 07-Apr-10 11:55:42

didn't the lib-dem wife recently say that she would have to fit supporting her husband in with her career and her kids?

I think that it's weird to think that wives would be there every step of the campaign, or that they should be. Particularly if they have their own career and family commitments.

mrsbaldwin Wed 07-Apr-10 13:08:51

Catherine - obviously you will be making the point in this interview that the French are the undisputed leaders in the glamorous wives industry, and us Brits can only look on and admire. Although Queen Rania of Jordan gives Carla a bit of a run for her money, I'd say.

MaisietheMorningsideCat Wed 07-Apr-10 13:28:28

Isn't Carla looking a tad Jocelyn these days? wink grin

Thromdimbulator Wed 07-Apr-10 17:19:15

Arrgh! No. This is real-life, not the bloody X-Factor. <sob>.

unfitmother Wed 07-Apr-10 17:23:35

NO, NO and NO! shock

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