Trump (Part 7)

[claig]

Even more Trump.

There may be 4 years of this.
Try to keep it lighthearted and not snide, please.
It's Christmas.

[Missswatch]

And knowing these mad karate skills doesn't make you a badass. You are still of the sheltered middle class

[squishysquirmy]

In case you missed my last post Miss, and in relation to your comments at the end of the last thread:
If one candidate had favoured keeping America engaged militarily, while the other had opposed military action, especially in the Middle East, which one would you have considered to be more realistic?


.... would provide support to Arab and Kurdish forces on the ground. She proposes working with Arab nations in the region to provide resources for the battle against the terrorist network, sharing intelligence with European allies and coordinating air attacks
She stole your ideas Misss!
//www.cbsnews.com/news/where-hillary-clinton-stands-on-foreign-policy/

[squishysquirmy]

Shall we try not to lie about other posters on this thread?
I'm bracing myself for the first couple of pages to be full of false accusations about what we said on the last few threads. Barefaced lies to discredit posters to lurkers who have just joined..

[Missswatch]

Hillary 'teh shill' wouldn't have done those things squisy

Telling lies goes for you as well squishy. Try not to be a naughty brittle little lipstick liberal

[Lweji]

And knowing these mad karate skills doesn't make you a badass. You are still of the sheltered middle class

I never said I was one or not the other.
I'm just not the type to think everything is solved by talking.
You also don't seem to know much about my life, or how sheltered it has been. But it should be easy to find out.

You could also easily find out my views on war, which I've expressed on the other threads.

I really don't know of anyone who thinks they can go up to ISIS and talk them out of it, as you suggested the leftists think, though.
I bet even Trump knows he can't get rid of them with a few phone calls. Unlike claig seems to think. Or seems to be joking.

[claig]

'I bet even Trump knows he can't get rid of them with a few phone calls.'

Please don't misrepresent me. I said he would end it overnight with a few phonecalls to the fatcats and billionaires who fund it and scare the hell out of them and then he would do a deal with the Russians where they would go after them after their funding had been cut and they would then be taken out. However, he has also asked his generals to come up with a plan to take them out in 30 days.

Trump will take them out one way or the other.

Don't nitpick every word such as "overnight" and fill threads up with point scoring and nitpicking. It makes boring threads filled with hostile tit for tat. Keep it impersonal

[Chris1234567890]

Continued...

Youre right Claig....didnt take long to cover the days posts! Key points;

Thanks for the vote of confidence this morning. Its appreciated.

We all got told to play nicely by MN 

And then out of the several hundred off topic posts, this one deserves a pertinent response, if only to shed some understanding.

Deepans pursuit of posters not answering questions ......

Claig : "....but if they don't answer after several requests then maybe they don't think it is important enough or clever enough and is a distraction."

Deepans response :" Again, untrue. It is usually a clear sign that they can't answer without contradicting themselves, and/or demonstrating the inherent weakness in their arguments, and/or demonstrating that a previous statement by them that is being queried is baseless and without foundation."

No. Not untrue. True. I can categorically say Deepan, Ive ignored what must now be hundreds of ridiculous 'questions' on these threads, quite simply because both the question and the person asking it is simply being a dick.

In order to now navigate these threads, once a poster has identified themselves as being a dickish derailer, I simply scroll on by. I strongly suggest, if you dont like my posts, you do the same and scroll on by.

Occassionally, if Im utterly bored, I may linger and read a couple of these daft ones, and respond. (Knowing full well the response Ill get...its all very predictable) But thats it. Theres no science to it.

So if a critically important question has been missed by me, that you feel slighted by, I apologise. But from what Ive scanned today, its the same old same old, demanding to know what colour knickers a poster is wearing, and why?!.

Im not here to debate if Trump was unfaithful to his MIL or if, because he ate bagels this morning hes supporting Israels current postion. Im here, because I enjoy discussing the world changing events going on at the moment and Trumps impact on those. Claigs insight into the world of Trump, is second to none. Southall, misss, magz and others are well informed, and certainly finger on the pulse of what is actually happening in the big wide world out there. Not some warped world view where Hillary won the election, the EU is thriving and all nations and those who live in them are prosperous and happy, and healthy, and safe.

I scroll on by inane posts, if you feel the same about mine, I suggest you do the same.

[claig]

'Thanks for the vote of confidence this morning. Its appreciated.'

You're welcome, Chris

"Not some warped world view where Hillary won the election, the EU is thriving"



One more article to read, then I'm off. Good night

[Chris1234567890]

"Don't nitpick every word such as "overnight" and fill threads up with point scoring and nitpicking. It makes boring threads filled with hostile tit for tat. Keep it impersonal"

Oooops....arent I about to get hammered because 'NOBODY MENTIONED KNICKERS!! THATS A BARE FACED LIE!"

[DeepanKrispanEven]

"Overnight" does mean overnight, claig, not "in 30 days" or "when the Russians get round to it". Maybe these threads would go better if you acknowledge that you used the wrong terminology rather than berating others for not knowing that you did.

On another tack, I'm loving the idea put forward by Misss that wanting no war at all in the Middle East is a silly left wing fad.

[Roussette]

chrisnumbers you've got a bit of a cheek. You talk of 'dickish derailers' yet you disappear for days on end and come back just to berate other posters. Pot. Kettle. Black.

claig... the poor elites, their hearts are stopping momentarily now according to you! So not only are they weeping into their lattes, crying rivers of salt, beating their chests in frustration, they are in a cold sweat and about to die! Have to say I don't see it.. but keep up with the amusing rhetoric!

This is worth reading. Huge conflicts of interest that will no doubt dog the Trump presidency. Invites to go big game hunting with the sons to commemorate the Inaugaration. Revolting. His kids are selling access to the President. That's apart from sitting in on meetings with PMs of Japan and Argentina. Conflict of interests doesn't even begin to cover it.

Mark my words, these next 4 years will go down in history as the Presidency when the business and whole family benefitted but not the country. Talk of passing on his business to his children are meaningless as foreign governments and investors will know exactly how to influence them.

[Roussette]

*how to influence HIM, I meant

[Kaija]

More here on Obama's protection of the Arctic:

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/news/energy-environment/wp/2016/12/20/president-obama-expected-to-ban-oil-drilling-in-large-areas-of-atlantic-and-arctic-oceans/?client=safari

The oil elites will fight it of course, but good news anyway.

[Kaija]

And this might actually be a case of elites vs the people. The people are on the side of environmental protection while the elites want to keep drilling.

[DeepanKrispanEven]

www.teenvogue.com/story/donald-trumps-national-security-advisor-met-with-alt-right-freedom-party-leader?mbid=social_twitter
Link from the end of the previous thread that bears repeating, about Trump and the alt-right - including the fact that his national security adviser has been meeting with the head of the neo-Nazi Freedom Party.

[Lweji]

I don't know if many people or elites currently deny climate change.
Even Exxon has acknowledged climate change. But just because the oil elites have finally come to accept it, it certainly doesn't mean that they invented it.

Scientific elites are on the side of the people. Mostly because they are common people too. And understand the consequences of not doing anything about climate change.

These are the same elites who have led to improved survival rates for cancer sufferers, for car users, for mothers and babies. That developed and implemented vaccines that got rid of one disease and much reduced the impact of many others. That have done the basic research that led to many of us being able to contribute to this thread on our phones and on the go.

Check what happened to civilizations that dismissed their scientists and have stopped science. And compare to those who have fostered science and curiosity.

Certainly, scientific revolutions have occurred through a new "maverick" challenging established knowledge. Despite natural initial resistance, those who were right demonstrated their case.
And that is what happened with climate change. The scientific community is only too eager for better predictive models. As is the business community. Who wouldn't want to know when a draught is going to affect coffee prices, or when a typhoon will affect tourism?
Who wouldn't want to know exactly what will happen to the Earth's climate?
But it's incredibly hard, because climate is a chaotic system. It means that it's very complex and it's very sensitive to initial conditions. (The old butterfly in China causing a tornado in the US metaphor)
But all the best models so far predict fast climate change. Different in different regions, but the key is the speed. And that some regions are likely to become inhabitable or quite different from today.

Climate change is basically an accepted theory these days. It was a hard fought battle.
As is the human contribution to it, although the extent is still debated and investigated.
It is the last thing that is caused by an elite conspiracy, as the corporate elites have had to be convinced. Definitely not the other way around. :)

[OhYouBadBadKitten]

Apparently they were 'initial concepts' ' Rousette. Which is a bit weird as they filed for a certificate of formation.

If ever there was a clear intent of 'pay to play' this was it.

[OhYouBadBadKitten]

certificate of formation

[Kaija]

Yes Exxon has known for a long time about climate change, as I'm sure do pretty much all of the oil industry, but has put its own short term interests first in hiding its evidence and propagating denial. Good article here, linked in one of the previous threads, about the oil industry, Trump, and what happens next.

medium.com/@AlexSteffen/trump-putin-and-the-pipelines-to-nowhere-742d745ce8fd#.gs5bm3ulb

[Kaija]

Interesting, kitten. Hard not to conclude from the evidence so far that the Trumo family are viewing the presidency as little more than a giant cash machine.

[OhYouBadBadKitten]

I think it is probably the only thing they understand kaija.

[BertrandRussell]

So what, according to the Trump Team are we allowed to say? I have to say I''m feeling a bit silenced.............

[claig]

'I have to say I''m feeling a bit silenced'

There's no political correctness on here. This is a Trump thread and Trump said

"I refuse to be politically correct"

so I think if teh President says that, then we are all "allowed" to say what we like within MNHQ guidelines.

It would be helpful if it was intelligible, erudite and appreciative of Trump and Trump fans, but even it is anti Trump and patent Blairite baloney that is OK as long as it is not snide and personal.

Attacks and pisstakes of Blair are entirely fair game.

[OhYouBadBadKitten]

I'm sure it would be helpful to you if everyone were appreciative of trump and trump fans

[Kaija]

Don't feel silenced, Bertrand. There are plenty of us who want to hear you. And anyone who doesn't will get over it I'm sure.

Interesting insights here from Anne Applebaum on the way new media is always exploitable by those with a will to do it, and how smear campaigns work in an age of trolls, bots and fake news.

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/opinions/global-opinions/i-was-a-victim-of-a-russian-smear-campaign-i-understand-the-power-of-fake-news/2016/12/20/0dfdc2aa-c606-11e6-8bee-54e800ef2a63_story.html?client=safari