Trump vs Clinton Round 3. Probably the biggest debate ever.

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claig Sun 16-Oct-16 13:57:52

Oct 20th 2 am UK time.

Last chance for the Establishment to stop the Trump surge in the polls.
World leaders will be watching, Establishments will be tuning in on the edge of their seats in trepidation.

People will be laughing, diving into the popcorn and knocking back the alcohol.

Round 3. Rock'n'roll.

honeysucklejasmine Sun 16-Oct-16 14:06:36

Hope he's got his urine sample ready.

claig Sun 16-Oct-16 14:10:13

'But he's never told anyone how he plans to accomplish this. That's the problem. Anyone can stand up and claim they will bring peace, prosperity and a land flowing with milk and honey: if they want us to believe them, they have to produce something resembling credible plans.'

Trump is not a "politician", he is a doer, a businessman. He will get it done. He always says "politicians, all talk no action" and he said about Hillary in the debate "all words, just words". With Trump there will be action and it will be fast. C rooks will be prosecuted fast. All the top generals will be invited into a room and asked to expalin how they would defeat Isis and Trump will pick the one with the best ideas just as he always says that "General Dougla MacArthur" and General patton would be rolling in their graves if they heard how the United States hadn't yet been able to end Isis.

Trump says Mexico will be paying for the Wall, but they don't know it yet.
There is going to be action. It will all get done.

SadTed Sun 16-Oct-16 14:12:33

Empty Hillary Clinton Rally


Packed Donald Trump Rally with crowd sharpening pitchforks for the MSM

ImperialBlether Sun 16-Oct-16 14:14:06

But a politician is different to a businessman as a politician has to have the approval of others before taking action. He can't just do whatever he wants.

claig Sun 16-Oct-16 14:14:15

'I myself would ask Claig how, if Trump is 'not clued up on policies' is he going to move ahead on a foreign policy issue like Syria. Obviously he will take advice and listen to positions. '

Trump has some key advisers who have told him what is really going on in Syria and Trump listens to them. He knows about "pay for play", he knows about Benghazi, he knows about the 33,000 deleted emails, he understands what has been going on.

Trump will end the war in Syria very quickly and he will work with Russia to smash Isis.

ZuleikaDobson Sun 16-Oct-16 14:16:40

The wall is possibly the most bloody stupid of all Trump's bloody stupid ideas. It won't work, and for sure Mexico won't pay for it.

Claig, I'm glad you acknowledge that Trump has put forward no plans and has not demonstrated how he will put his grandiose promises into effect without bringing about an incredibly dangerous worldwide situation. After all, MacArthur and Patton were operating in the context of world wars. Is that what you want?

ZuleikaDobson Sun 16-Oct-16 14:18:57

But you keep talking about it if you like. I mean you obviously prefer talking about that than anything else

Winchester, that's hilariously ironic in the context of a thread in which I made numerous contributions but you described me as a lurker because you hadn't bothered to check.

claig Sun 16-Oct-16 14:19:25

'But a politician is different to a businessman as a politician has to have the approval of others before taking action. He can't just do whatever he wants.'

Absolutely, but as Trump always says, he gets on with everyone, the Chinese, Putin, anyone. That is how he has been a successful businessman. He gets on with people and makes deals. He says he will get on with the Democrats. But obviously the crooks will be prosecuted.

Gumpendorf Sun 16-Oct-16 14:21:22

No one has ever seen anything like it ' (from previous thread)

Nope, they haven't and I admire your optimism, claig. But Trump is unhinged, and all the 'taking down the establishment on behalf of the people' is bullshit. It's all about Trump and you only have to listen to him for a few minutes to recognise he cares about no-thing but his ego.

Trump is going into free fall because he is being beaten by a late middle aged woman. For Trump, that would be the ultimate insult.

SadTed Sun 16-Oct-16 14:23:15

Mainstream Media Publicly Shamed by 20,000 Americans at Trump rally in Cincinnati, Ohio

SadTed Sun 16-Oct-16 14:25:23

Nope Hillary is unhinged, what kinda sick bastard gets a paedo of the hook for the rape of a 12 year old girl and laughs about it! angry

ImperialBlether Sun 16-Oct-16 14:26:39

Trump gets on with everyone?! I've heard it all now.

claig Sun 16-Oct-16 14:26:58

'I'm glad you acknowledge that Trump has put forward no plans '

Trump doesn't yet know the detail, but he is a businessman, he will solve whatever arises. It is just like our political class, the Remoaners, who want to stall Brexit by saying that the Leave Campaign did not present "a plan" about what would hapen after Brexit. They don't know, they will negotiate and solve whatever needs to be done.

There won't be a world war with Trump. Trump is for peace, for getting on with Putin, not for the no-fly zones that some of our political class, some of the 172 and the Fabian socialists would like in Syria.

As Jill Stein, Presidential candidate for the Greens, said Hillary is more dangerous than Trump for peace.

"They want to start World War III over Syria. Give me a break," Trump said at the State Fairgrounds in Oklahoma City."

thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/255052-trump-gop-rivals-want-to-start-world-war-iii-over-syria

"Green party's Stein Hillary Clinto with nukes, much scarier than DonaldTrump"

www.breitbart.com/video/2016/10/12/green-partys-stein-hillary-clinton-with-nukes-much-scarier-than-donald-trump/

claig Sun 16-Oct-16 14:29:32

'Trump gets on with everyone?! I've heard it all now.'

That is why Hillary and Bill Clinto went to his wedding. Now he is ending the Establishment's game so they are all against him, but after he wins, they will have to fall in line.

WinchesterWoman Sun 16-Oct-16 14:30:06

'Trump has some key advisers who have told him what is really going on in Syria and Trump listens to them. '

Who are they? Do you have names?

Zuleika - ssshhhh

RufusTheSpartacusReindeer Sun 16-Oct-16 14:32:31

winchester i am not even speaking to you...you got the last word on the last thread angry

grin

WinchesterWoman Sun 16-Oct-16 14:33:26

grin

imma take the oath and get me a presidency mysen some day

score

RufusTheSpartacusReindeer Sun 16-Oct-16 14:34:08

Trump is a shit businessman shock

He hasnt managed to solve that problem

fourmummy Sun 16-Oct-16 14:38:48

From the last thread:

WW You said, " I myself would ask Claig how, if Trump is 'not clued up on policies' is he going to move ahead..."

It's actually not that difficult. Let's look at some items from the statistics list:

79 million adults are not in the workplace.
Participation rate is at 63%, close to all time lows.
U6 measure of unemployment at 10%.
50 million Americans on food stamps.
25% of American kids living in poverty.
45 million Americans living in poverty.

You don't need to be an award-winning mathematician to work out that Hillary's open borders, uncontrolled immigration and possible continued spending on foreign wars will not alleviate any of the above. Trump's (or anyone's, for that matter) controlled borders, controlled migration and a focus on domestic-level job creation, will. Just before Brexit, some posters on MN spent quite a few hours arguing that an Oxford University study, stating that an influx of immigrants into an area reduces waiting times in A & E departments, was correct, without any seeming awareness of the nonsensical nature of this. There seems to be quite a bit of Emperor's New Clothes going on here, as there was with GE and Brexit. People aren't stupid. They may not be well educated or they may lack analytical sophistication, but they can see what's going on. We'll know on the 28th of November grin

claig Sun 16-Oct-16 14:41:02

'Who are they? Do you have names?'

Three star General Michael Flynn, former head of the Defence Intelligence Agency (military intelligence) the DIA.

Read the excellent Seymour Hersh articles in the London Review of Books and elsewhere to understand what is really going on in Syria and to see that Mike Flynn, former head of the DIA, knows all about it.

Lookup Mike Flynn speaking to our own Oxbridge Mehdi Hassan on youtube to see what Mike Flynn, former Head of the DIA, knows about it all.

He was a potential VP pick for Trump, but in the end Trump chose a Republican Establishment politician, Mike Pence, instead, possibly because he had to bring the Republican hierarchy with him and because he needs a politician who understands how Cspitol Hill works rather than a military man.

claig Sun 16-Oct-16 14:51:51

Trump entered the race to clean the system up, end the corruption, jail the crooks, and smash the globalists. He said the other day, now that the "shackles are off"

"Hillary Clinton is a vessel of the corrupt global establishment which is raiding our country"

Calling Hillary Clinton a vessel for "corrupt" global establishment, Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump has said the election of his Democratic rival would make the US a corrupt "Banana Republic" controlled by donors and foreign governments.

"The Hillary Clinton documents released by WikiLeaks make more clear than ever just how much is at stake in this election. This election will determine whether we remain a free country, or we become a corrupt Banana Republic controlled by large donors and foreign governments," Trump said

www.business-standard.com/article/international/hillary-clinton-vessel-for-corrupt-global-establishment-donald-trump-116101200326_1.html

Trump didn't enter the race for his ego as the Establishment and its media pretend. He is 70 years old, rich as Croesus and has a great life and is not a "career politician". He entered this race to save America, beat the globalists and end the corruption, as Mocic Crowley said so that "it will be game over" for them.

Gumpendorf Sun 16-Oct-16 14:58:50

Trump didn't enter the race for his ego as the Establishment and its media pretend. He is 70 years old, rich as Croesus and has a great life and is not a "career politician".

Your mistake is 1. To believe he is as rich as he says. 2. To ascribe rationality to his thought processes.

This is all about his ego. Did you watch the 2nd debate? He had no empathy with the audience at all. He doesn't relate to people. It's about Trump, Trump and Trump.

HillaryFTW Sun 16-Oct-16 14:59:27

SadTed

The context of Hillary laughing was her laughing at the uselessness of lie detector tests, as her client passed one. She was not laughing at the victim.

HTH

WinchesterWoman Sun 16-Oct-16 15:07:03

yes sure Hillary, I can see how that was a hilarious situation, along with the idea that it was a miscarriage of justice so he only got a year for fondling <guffaw> just too much yknow my stomach is actually hurting right now

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