is anyone else watching the Labour candidates on ch4 just now?

[ssd]

God Corbyn is talking a lot of sense, well worth watching.

[Varya]

Yes am watching and IMO Yvette comes off best. But they lack a charistmatic leader and that is Labour's problem. They lost the last election because of Ed Miliband, although they don't say so!

[ssd]

Yvette just seems a bit wishy washy to me

[Chipstick10]

I was pissing myself . Corbyn is as mad as a box of frogs. Cooper the school mistress using her stern hectoring tone. Body bags Burnham flip flopping all over the place and the Liz the only one that really gets whY they lost the election.

[applecatchers36]

Jeremy does not seem at all statesman like and economically illiterate. And his ideas about pulling out of NATO & what has happened in the Ukraine, very worrying.

Liz came across as a lightweight not in the same league as the others although personable and likeable.

Andy came across very dour and unable to put across any positive message.

Yvette came across the best, strongest grasp of issues that were discussed. I think she's a tough cookie, strong women are often called ' school mistress like'. She comes across as a leader.

[claig]

Yes, watched it. Corbyn was the best - most honest and serious.
I am sorry to say that Yvette is a total disaster - so unconvincing and unbelievable in every statement. Even she doesn't seem to believe what she is saying and she tries so hard to make it sound real. If she wins, the Tories will make mincemeat out bof her. Liz is OK but is on the wrong side of history - out of touch with the popular mood. Burnham is not bad, but seems to just say whatever he thinks will go down best at the time.

The only one with real conviction is Corbyn. Therefore he will win.

[claig]

'I think she's a tough cookie'

I think the opposite. She is almost pleading, and Burnham is the same, always almost whining. The only tough cookie is Liz but she is out of touch with the people. Corbyn comes across confident and not pleading or whiney because he actually believes and has thought out what he says.

[janethegirl2]

No cos it's not relevant to me as I'm not a Labour Party member so don't have a vote!

[tethersend]

Yeah, I was watching them.



At least I think that's what it was.

[Isitmebut]

"The only tough cookie is Liz but she is out of touch with the people. Corbyn comes across confident and not pleading or whiney because he actually believes and has thought out what he says."

I think you'd find in the real world that Liz is more 'in touch' with those who did not vote for Labour than the rest - and Corbyn has thought out what he's saying, as has been thinking the same 'ol for the past 30-40 years like a stuck vinyl record.

[claig]

Isitmebut, uou and Conservative Central Office are going to b surprised by Corbyn. We all think he is for real, unlike the rest of the New Labour shower, so when he says he will scrap tuition fees, introduce rent controls, end the bedroom tax, create a people's QE with a National Investment Bank, build schools and hospitals, create employment, stop the privatisation of the NHS and revitalise manufacturing and production, we all believe he is intent on doing it. That is what people want and that will win the election.

There is nothing the Tories and the media and the Establishment and Blair will be able to do to stop him. Scare stories about him won't count because the people will want what he is offering.

[claig]

Burnham at least gets it. He understands that the public is "crying out for change", a different politics to the one "of the past twenty years", as he called it "gimmick" politics, where all Labour could offer was a few "gimmicks" to try and pretend that they "weren't all the same" as the Establishment Tories.

But it is too late for Burnham, we don't believe he really means it. We all know that if Labour gets in, all the country will get is "Sure Start", a sugar tax, minimum alcohol pricing and attempts to control rude tweets by drunks. It is not good enough, it can't match the radical change that Corbyn is offering and that the country is crying out for.

Corbynmania is real because it speaks to the real needs and wishes of the people.

[Redkite2015]

Corbyn must win as he offers different and sincere politics to people. Privatization of public utilities and railways has only meant profits to outsiders. Who owns British Gas? Foreigners, who have no interest other than fleecing British people.

While utilities & railways should be gradually re-nationalized through markets and control over their profits & taxes, Corbyn should not indulge in unnecessary efforts to kill hard working people's aspirations.

Labour should go one step ahead of Tories and abolish Inheritance tax altogether. First, not much is collected through inheritance tax; second, income should be taxed, not savings. Some rich may benefit; we should have label of jealous of riches.

Income should be taxed, giving 100% relief to low income (for example, minimum wage upto 2000 hours per annum); 20% tax upto next slab (perhaps twice of no-tax amount); then 50% tax on higher income.

Corbyn should also understand the peoples' concern about immigration and EU. He should not isolate himself and Labour from these legitimate concerns.

I hope Corbyn wins and adopts radical policies - not just extreme left wing policies which does not attract centrist votes.

[Isitmebut]

"Isitmebut, uou and Conservative Central Office are going to b surprised by Corbyn. We all think he is for real, unlike the rest of the New Labour shower, so when he says he will scrap tuition fees, introduce rent controls, end the bedroom tax, create a people's QE with a National Investment Bank, build schools and hospitals, create employment, stop the privatisation of the NHS and revitalise manufacturing and production, we all believe he is intent on doing it. That is what people want and that will win the election."

Words are cheap, especially from politicians who were (like Corbyn)
members of parliament for 13-years and record either on, or causing the above list, was abysmal - a decade of which with a hopefully once in a generation tax proceeds of a financial bubble - to seriously make a difference.

None of your list can be achieved without a vibrant Private Sector's taxes/investment paying all the bills; New Labour didn't grasp that, so Old Labour hasn't got a snowballs chance.

[ssd]

this ^ , trying to associate Corbyn with old labour, and thus trying to scare people, just isn't working...ordinary people look around them and see what the Conservative gov are doing and a lot of it appals them, that and a different benefit programme on the telly every day, painting people receiving benefits as workshy and scroungers and beneath us all, well, we are all sick of the propaganda and policies of the tories.....not to mention filling the House of Lords with DC's cronies to help him get tory bills through.....

Corbyn is a breath of fresh air amongst all this. And he is talking sense to an awful lot of people. The other candidates sat up straighter and looked the part, but people arent taken in by a smart suit anymore, we've seen where that got us before.

[squidzin]

What comes across the most about Corbyn, is how genuine he is. "Mad as a box of frogs" to some, "A broken record" to some, but no one can fault him on his conviction.

The other lot (New Labour Blairites) (sorry can't help it), come across like Oxbridge polished elites. They try to dumb it down which is not genuine.

In Corbyn we are voting for honesty.

[squidzin]

Plus yy yy Redkite's post.