Vote the conservatives out

(115 Posts)
Consent2trix Sat 27-Jun-15 18:29:07

https://you.38degrees.org.uk/petitions/a-vote-of-no-confidence-in-the-conservative-party-running-the-uk?source=facebook-share-button&time=1434571593

2old2beamum Sat 27-Jun-15 18:41:53

DONE thank you

Consent2trix Sat 27-Jun-15 18:46:44

Thank you, tell others if you can that we are able to do this.

wigglylines Sat 27-Jun-15 18:47:48

Done and shared smile

wigglylines Sat 27-Jun-15 18:48:22

A clickable link ...

you.38degrees.org.uk/petitions/a-vote-of-no-confidence-in-the-conservative-party-running-the-uk?source=facebook-share-button&time=1434571593

Consent2trix Sat 27-Jun-15 18:49:48

Oh sorry, was my link not clickable haha.
Thank you.

SqueezyCheeseWeasel Sat 27-Jun-15 18:51:03

You know that big election thingummy we had about, ummm, 7 weeks ago? That was the big chance to vote them out. The electorate voted for them to stay. I'm a labour voter but I accept that this is the gvt chosen by the electorate (who voted). It's the 'gamble' you take living in a democracy.

bereal7 Sat 27-Jun-15 18:52:31

shockhmmbiscuit

Consent2trix Sat 27-Jun-15 18:56:59

No, there are many different groups acting at the state the country is going to soon be in, and if they can get 200k signatures they can get a revote, look it up, it's worth it.
Or I shall find the info.

HelenF350 Sat 27-Jun-15 18:59:58

biscuit Absolutely ridiculous.

Alibabsandthe40Musketeers Sat 27-Jun-15 19:04:15

get a revote hmm

That is not how it works.

CatMilkMan Sat 27-Jun-15 19:06:19

biscuit

wigglylines Sat 27-Jun-15 20:08:24

Suggest you eat your biscuits and learn about how our system is set up. This petition has a perfectly plausible aim, were it to get enough signatures. (It won't, but that doesn't stop me signing in hope!)

The petition is to the queen. As head of state she does have the power to dissolve parliament. The PM is only there because the queen appoints him / her IIRC. In practice she always decides to appoint the winner of the general election but our law doesn't say she has to.

Dissolution of parliament by the monarch would usually happen after a vote of no confidence by a majority of MPs, but this is an interesting idea IMO.

What if people finally saw clearly what the tories are up and so say 30 million of us petitioned the queen to get rid of the tories. Would she do it?

(Not saying I think this will happen, but interesting to think ^what if^)

We could argue for example that the Tory government has acted upon numerous policies that were not in the Tory election manifestos. These legislative changes therefore have no democratic mandate for implementation and could arguably represent a Coup d'état.

(I have copied and edited the last para from a similar petition for the last government)

wigglylines Sat 27-Jun-15 20:10:20

More info on the queen's powers here.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_prerogative_in_the_United_Kingdom

Viviennemary Sat 27-Jun-15 20:15:39

The country has spoken. Labour lost nearly 100 seats. I know they are sore about it and are blaming everyone but themselves and their daft policies. Not to mention that twit Miliband who cost them millions of votes including mine.

Squidzin Sat 27-Jun-15 20:16:11

Solidarity here.

Squidzin Sat 27-Jun-15 20:43:06

Who's asking for Labour??

2old2beamum Sat 27-Jun-15 20:51:23

Thanks wigglylinesand "Consent2trix* am so glad I am not alone!!

STIDW Sat 27-Jun-15 20:56:53

No reason why people can't register their protest but the Royal prerogative doesn't work like that. There are many obsolete laws, for example the law permitting the killing of Scotsmen with a bow and arrow in York has never been repealed.

lexisweb.co.uk/content/some-strange-laws

Of course if someone did kill a Scotsman in York they wouldn't be able to rely upon that as a defence for murder!

Legally it has been long recognised that Parliament has the power to abolish, amend or restrict prerogative powers through an Act of Parliament. The powers fall directly within the jurisdiction of Parliament and Parliamentary scrutiny and control can be applied.

Gemauve Sat 27-Jun-15 20:58:38

Christ, it's the the electoral equivalent of Freemen on the Land.

Gemauve Sat 27-Jun-15 21:04:19

We could argue for example that the Tory government has acted upon numerous policies that were not in the Tory election manifestos. These legislative changes therefore have no democratic mandate for implementation and could arguably represent a Coup d'état.

Do you know what any of those words actually mean?

Are you saying that a government can only, over the course of five years in office, enact policies and legislation that was in its manifesto? Do you have, like, a source for that claim?

The "it wasn't in the manifesto" was a popular claim by nutters as to why the same sex marriage legislation was "illegal". The argument is, of course, complete bollocks. Once elected, government can enact anything they can get through parliament. The issue of whether it was in the manifesto is one of the factors feeding into the use of the Salisbury Convention when there is deadlock on the second or third reading of a bill between the Commons and the Lords. That's all.

nulgirl Sat 27-Jun-15 21:05:49

What would happen in your completely unrealistic/ impossible scenario if another general election was called and the Tories won again. (Not an unlikely outcome as Labour are floundering without a leader and the promised cuts haven't taken affect. ). Would you just keep calling for a re-election until your favoured party was chosen. Have you heard of the term democracy?

If you feel that strongly about representation then you should be campaigning for proportional representation - but that brings with it the real chance of a Tory/UKIP coalition. Still sounding appealing?

Squidzin Sat 27-Jun-15 21:25:54

The Tory establishment lobby have arrived.
Should you be working so late on a Saturday?

If we (THE PEOPLE WE) lobby hard enough to get rid of Cameron, via queeny, if it is in her interest to pacify us and advantage her position I could see it working.

Queeny is German. I want Angela Merkel to run our government. Match-made.

Rekon they'd both be up for it you know.

HermioneWeasley Sat 27-Jun-15 21:35:10

I really don't understand. The majority of people who could be bothered to vote, voted for the conservatives. A whole third of the country couldn't even be bothered to vote, suggesting they not massively fussed about the outcome.

That is democracy.

On what basis would you get them removed? I find it quite sinister - just because you don't like the result you want to overturn the outcome of free and fair elections? And who would you put in place?

Madness.

hotlikeme Sat 27-Jun-15 21:39:44

It just isn't going to happen. More people voted for the tories than for any other single party. Like it or not that is democracy.

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