MPs to get 7k pay rise . Is that fair in present situation?

(16 Posts)
fortyfide Wed 03-Jun-15 11:44:48

It seems a little odd. But Cameron can ok it because election is a long way off.

blacksunday Thu 04-Jun-15 19:42:55

It's not odd, because austerity is a con.

fortyfide Fri 05-Jun-15 11:44:57

It is interesting to see how some ministers say they would give the award ro charity. Well, if your on 140 grand a year, you could afford to do that.

Years ago, MPs used to get their pay rises though "expenses" That blew up in their faces when the Daily Torygraph got the story

ThePhoenixRising Fri 05-Jun-15 11:50:32

As public servants making cuts everywhere they should not be accepting the pay rise.

YonicScrewdriver Fri 05-Jun-15 11:51:38

MP salaries are £67k. £140k must be for a minister.

fortyfide Fri 05-Jun-15 12:06:55

I did say it was for Ministers ,Yonks. Tis said Tory Cabinet ministers are "split" on the award (well some of them are from very rich families.)

Mr Pickles, from a working class background, was booted out by Cameron

YonicScrewdriver Fri 05-Jun-15 12:16:39

So you did! Sorry.

pastmyduedate0208 Sat 06-Jun-15 22:34:19

Fucking hell.

pastmyduedate0208 Sat 06-Jun-15 22:37:16

Sorry. Am angry.
But indeed, Westminster can fuck off.

Our only hope is to please beg to stay in the EUROPE then let the Germans take care of things.

Seriously, we need to ditch these bitches.

candlesandlight Sat 06-Jun-15 22:43:27

This cannot be justified.

pastmyduedate0208 Sat 06-Jun-15 23:46:51

I am sure the justification will come along in the usual format.

"What's best for us is best for everyone"

niceguy2 Thu 18-Jun-15 10:43:41

This is one of those cases where the headlines shout one thing but the detail is actually quite different.

The overall package is neutral. Meaning whilst at first glance it seems MP's are getting a huge payrise. The overall effect for the taxpayer is zero.

Why? Because their 'payrise' is given as a result of expenses and allowances that they are no longer allowed to claim for.

And why's that? Because the public was aghast at the previous system and demanded changes!

In fact after the expenses scandal MP's created an independent body to review MP's pay so they could no longer set their own pay. This body has decided that MP's are better off with more pay and less perks.

Unfortunately timing is everything and the headlines aren't playing well for the government. Since as above, most people just think MP's are just feathering their own nests again.

The irony is that the Govt have boxed themselves in a corner. They can't overrule the decision since that would mean the body was never independent in the first place but if they accept the payrise then the headlines make it sound like they're greedy. Catch 22 really.

RaptorInaPorkPieHat Thu 18-Jun-15 10:46:19

I thought MPs were supposed to be having a pay freeze for the next five years. wasn't it in the manifesto? (like that makes a difference).

Tanith Fri 26-Jun-15 08:45:04

Niceguy, I understand what you're saying, but many people have been faced with the same problem and they have had to take the hit.

If they, on their salaries, are expected to take what amounts to a paycut in the name of Austerity, why shouldn't MPs and ministers?

Greenrememberedhills Fri 26-Jun-15 09:14:15

Well anyone not accepting it should hand it straight to the bankers; less for the rest of us to pay. grin

Isitmebut Fri 26-Jun-15 15:08:03

Thats old news and its bank shareholders pay bankers not us, and they are all paying us again

Dec 2014; ”U.K. Financial Firms Paid the Most Tax Since 2007, Report Says”
www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2014-12-02/u-k-financial-firms-paid-the-most-tax-since-2007-report-says

”The U.K. financial-services industry contributed 65.6 billion pounds ($103 billion) in taxes in the last fiscal year, the highest since 2007, according to a report.”

The taxpayer pays directly for its government, especially bloated ones - and even now fraud is still going on, but at a much lower rate - which in the private sector might warrant a rise lol.

”New Labour ‘blew £230bn on errors, fraud and inefficiency’
www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/politics/article4368120.ece

The hundreds of billions of pounds of public money wasted through errors, inefficiency and fraud under Tony Blair’s New Labour government have been revealed in a book (The Elephant in the Room by E. Hamilton).

”A retired businessman who spent three years examining where taxpayers’ money had gone found that by 2005 the government had wasted more than £230 billion, much of which was lavished on projects started under New Labour.”

”Nearly 57% of the overall amount was lost by the Inland Revenue, now HM Revenue and Customs.”

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