UKIP announce their election winning team

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claig Thu 24-Jul-14 11:25:05

"Former journalist Patrick O’Flynn was appointed as the party’s economic spokesman, while lawyer Steven Woolfe was appointed to the key role of immigration spokesman. Mr Woolfe said UKIP would introduce an ‘ethical immigration system’ based on a version of the points system used in Australia.

But Mr Farage also promoted a number of less well-known names, including two women, in an attempt to broaden the party’s appeal and tackle the impression that the party is a one-man band.

Actress-turned-MEP Louise Bours, a single mother, was appointed as the party’s health spokesman; Mike Hookem, a former serviceman and joiner, was made defence spokesman; former saleswoman Jill Seymour was handed the transport brief; and the party’s Liverpool-born deputy leader Paul Nuttall was put in charge of education and skills.

A party source said the changes were designed to target the Labour vote, where UKIP has been making heavy inroads.

‘This is the end of the men in blazers image,’ he said. ‘These are people who don’t have cut-glass accents and who have made something of themselves in life. It is a departure for us."

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2703468/How-EU-helps-Britain-PM-Cameron-pledges-modernise-membership-says-union-helps-nation-punch-weight.html#ixzz38Nbd1AMZ

I think most pindits will see this as a frighteningly good team. What is particularly noteworthy about it is that THERE ARE NO PPEs. That means ni bull, no spin, no lies, just facts and common sense.

Meanwhile the PPEs pledge more EU upport and above all more modernisation . So more of the same, more spin.

'Cameron pledges to ' modernise ' our membership as he says union helps nation 'punch above its weight'

Maybe this is the same kind of punhing above its weight that Cameron achieved in the 26-2 vote over Juncker.

In case anyone had not understood the value of modernisation it was reiterated in true spin-like fashion. Tony Blair and his team of spinners, drinkers and thinkers would have been proud.

‘We need not to leave these relationships unmodernised . We need to make sure they’re working for us. So when it comes to the EU I think we need to modernise our relationship and reaffirm it."

So the battles lines of the coming election are beginning to look more clear for the new UKIP team.

Modernisation vs common sense
PPEs vs the people

claig Thu 24-Jul-14 12:04:08

modernisers vs the masses
Oxbridge vs the ordinary people
progressives vs the plebs
metropolitan elite vs the multitude
PPEs vs the people
spinners vs the spun
liars vs the lower classes
bankers vs the workers
eliete vs the NEET
united and all in it together vs UKIP

Isitmebut Thu 24-Jul-14 13:33:04

Claig …… excellent political soundbites/mantras, the Ukip new powers that be will be very proud of you.

Bur soundbites are neither policies or political integrity and Ukip, after how long 20-years, have neither, especially as their ONE policy to bring the UK is a shameful deceit on the gullible electorate, as they’d need at least 326 seat majority in Westminster to change British law to bring us out of the EU, but they didn’t have ONE SEAT – so that one policy is a lie.

In 2010 Ukip launched their General Election manifesto, but before long Mr Farage who signed it off, then totally disowned it.

“UKIP leader Nigel Farage has disowned the party's entire general election manifesto - which he helped launch - branding it "drivel”.
news.sky.com/story/1200525/nigel-farage-disowns-ukip-manifesto-as-drivel

Ukip even wiped their 2010 manifesto off their official website, hoping off the face of this earth.

“UKIP spokesman Michael Heaver confirmed that the party’s 2010 election manifesto had been removed. While the party now opposes the planned high-speed north-south rail line, the 2010 document advocated building three new routes. “We’re in the process of updating everything,” Heaver said by telephone. “We’re going through a policy review”

For anyone wishing to see Ukip’s 2010 General Election manifesto, below is the BBC’s summary
news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/election_2010/8617187.stm

So, so what if ‘there is a ‘new team’, it’s still a one policy they can’t deliver sham, who rubbish their own DOMESTIC electoral promises, not long after the ink is dry.

As with the Lib Dem’s and tuition fees in 2010, didn't we learn a lesson that any fool of a small party can make promises KNOWING that they won’t be FORMING the next government, this time it will be in 2015.

Ukip is hated by the political classes for being 'different', as if after 20-years they don't have have credibility (and trust) on any of the serious issues that affect our everyday lives, they just create 'noise', a lot of it - as you cannot trust one word they say, just ask any of them EXACTLY HOW will Ukip bring the UK out of the EU, and then listen to the political speak bluster.

claig Thu 24-Jul-14 14:22:24

'So, so what if ‘there is a ‘new team’, it’s still a one policy they can’t deliver sham'

UKIP have got them shaking in the shires, they've got them muttering in Middle England, they've got them wobbling in Westminster. Cometh the hour, cometh Farage. They know that, they don't need to be told, they've seen the writing on the wall. When they first saw the writing, they couldn't believe it and they had to take a second look.

"It's over"

it said.

The music has stopped. The band refused to play on, even they had had enough. The PPE party is over, they'll have to take off their silly hats, the conniving fat cats.

They picked the pockets of the public and pissed their savings up the wall to bail out their metropolitan mates - the bankers and all the other plonkers who did things that were bonkers, who scrapped the safety net and pulled up the anchor to toss the public around in a sea of austerity, mendacity and hypocrisy.

'Ukip is hated by the political classes for being 'different''

No, UKIP is hated by the political classes because the public love them, because the public have high hopes for them, because the public are going to vote UKIP to get rid of the flipping lot of them.

Isitmebut Thu 24-Jul-14 15:12:56

Claig …. So no denial that Ukip cannot bring the UK out of the EU or that Ukip disowned their whole 2010 manifesto, you just brag how well your election propaganda works.in terms of lies over substance, votes. Marvellous.

Then on the understanding Ukip ditches manifesto’s faster than the seasons change, you criticise the other main party’s, without anything tangible to offer the people yourselfs – yet don’t get the irony. Priceless.

Mr Farage said on the radio the other day that MP’s should get a salary of £90-£100,000 but bereft of ‘new’ ideas of how to dig this country out of its continual debt crisis himself, wants to run a populist and expensive ‘Big State’ utopia, running an administration to please everyone, without taking any political blame, via referendums.

“UKIP backs direct democracy and use of referendums”
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-27973093
"Nigel Farage has said UKIP wants to give people direct democracy - with referendums to decide some policy."

In summary Ukip are politicians who want more money, can't be arsed to claim expenses they auto get (£3,500 per month) in the EU, are generally clueless and have no idea how to run a sustainable economy -and will pass the blame onto others for their mistakes. Different, huh?

Didn’t we get rid of all that in 2010; they say ‘vote Ukip get Labour’ and clearly that’s who you lot now aspire to. lol

claig Thu 24-Jul-14 15:27:08

'Ukip disowned their whole 2010 manifesto'

That is old news. It was written by someone who was once a Tory and is now a Tory again. Farage termed it "drivel".But things have moved on and the person who wrote what farage called "drivel" is back in the Conservative Party.

'Ukip cannot bring the UK out of the EU'

They will do it but it may take time. They don't want to work to modernise it like the moderniser Cameron does. Farage has no persinal animosity to Juncker - he is a smoker and drinker just like Farage and he does not sound like a politically correct moderniser = but there will be no high-fiving between Farage and Juncker because the divide between them is real, not modern

'Mr Farage said on the radio the other day that MP’s should get a salary of £90-£100,000'

That is worrying. Are you sure he was not misquoted and suggested an over generous £9,000 to £10,000? A lot of people would challenge that £9000 was value for money, but they may be able to live with that amount.

"Nigel Farage has said UKIP wants to give people direct democracy - with referendums to decide some policy."
This is the best policy ever. Power to the people, not the PPEs and puppets. What's not to like? It is policies like that tht have the PPEs and their puppetmasters trembling.

claig Thu 24-Jul-14 15:28:57

'A lot of people would challenge that £9000 was value for money, but they may be able to live with that amount.'

I think that should be put to a referendum so that the PPEs would have to justify what they get.

Isitmebut Thu 24-Jul-14 16:00:37

Claig .... 'Ukip will do it (bring the Uk out of the EU) but it takes time' - yes Claig it will, and other than wait for them to get a majority of 326 seats in Westminster, what is the plan there?

In 2010 Ukip votes meant the Conservatives did not get a parliamentary majority, if Ukip really wanted to put their EU ideology where their mouth is, if the Conservatives put in their manifesto a 2017 EU referendum, they should stand down - as if that is the only way it will happen before Ukip goes from zero to 326 seats, whats the problem to a party who only plays flip flop with domestic policies?

And what 'power' do the people want, don't tell me; forget the deficit/national debt, no taxes, a 4-day week, further extending opening hours etc etc etc.

Government is also about taking the tough decision before getting on the financial Road to Greece, pass it on.

Isitmebut Thu 24-Jul-14 16:07:07

Claig ... with your new Ukip/Labour coalition hat on, HOW MANY new public sector bureaucrats do we need to hold a referendum a week, and what would it cost?

P.P.E. or a country be led by an ex City oil/commodity speculator Farage ,who admitted he use to smoke, gamble and drink to much - how are those habits going for him - and are those the credentials we need after a City crash caused an economic recession?

I'll let u mull and come back with bs on that, while I go and do something useful, for now. lol

claig Thu 24-Jul-14 16:19:09

'other than wait for them to get a majority of 326 seats in Westminster, what is the plan there?'

Rome was not built in a day. A chinese proverb says that a long journey starts with a single step. The firt step is to kick the modernisers out because they want to modernise the EU i.e. they want to stay in and make sure that it does not remain unmodernised

'if the Conservatives put in their manifesto a 2017 EU referendum, they should stand down'

No, because UKIP know that the Conservatives are PPEs, they are modernisers , and they want to modernise the EU

"And what 'power' do the people want, don't tell me; forget the deficit/national debt, no taxes, a 4-day week, further extending opening hours etc etc etc."

The power to make their own laws, run their own lives, influence their own areas. When they show us one of these arrogant petty bureaucrat Conservative councillors on our TVs who tell us that they have done a "study" and they have implemented a policy that will save them £6m over 5 years by turning all our streetlights off after midnight so that old-aged pensioners trip up and break their hips walking home at midnight after going to the village pub, and so that cyclists fall off their bikes and injure themselves because they can't see the potholes that the useless petty bureaucrats haven't fixed, and so that pub workers and restaurant managers have to lock up their premises in total darkness with the threat of gangs waiting to rob them, and when they tell us that they did a survey , a Big Conversation with us before implementing it, when most of us were not asked because they know what the answer would have been, then the people will vote for any politician who gives us direct democracy and referenda so that these petty bureaucrats can start to do what the people want and not what they want or any of their metropolitan mates want.

But that is just the start. Referenda will transform our democracy, it will engage millions of us in politics, just as it has done in Scotand where people are engaged because they feel they have some sort of influence over their lives.

The people want change, they want democracy, they want real representation , not more modernisation and more PPEs.

claig Thu 24-Jul-14 16:24:57

'HOW MANY new public sector bureaucrats do we need to hold a referendum a week, and what would it cost?'

What price democracy? As many as it takes until the voice of the people is heard. We pay for all the PPEs anyway, so it is time they started listening to us.

We will cut all their crap in our referenda and save billions which we will spend on hospitals and employment and fixing potholes and turning our streetlights back on so that we can live in safe environments in a civilised society that looks after people and not PPEs.

We wil scrap all their windfarms and rooftop wind turbines and all the subsidies that go with them which enrich all their aristocratic landed gentry chums with subsidies from hardworking taxpayers squeezed to pay these fat cats and to blight our countryside with their towering trophies to modernisation .

Isitmebut Fri 25-Jul-14 01:43:49

Claig ….. Re 20-years of Ukip “Rome was not built in a day”, of course not, but Ukip are still campaigning at every election that they WILL bringing the Uk out of the EU and this AT BEST is disingenuous - as there is more chance of seeing ‘Elvis’ this Saturday in Blackpool, than Ukip getting a majority in Westminster within the next THREE general elections.

Building on a manifesto of your core values is a START, instead of changing them at every general election, depending on which party’s votes you are targeting, how slippery is that.

Re all the other posts and continue reference to Tory “modernizers”, ‘see what I mean about Ukip ‘noise’ without substance? Lol

History over Ukip ‘wannabe’ bluster shows the Conservatives took a UK economy in 1979 that was the worst in Europe, and handed back to Labour in 1997, the fastest growing economy in Europe. In 2010 the Conservative led coalition took back another Labour economically unbalanced disaster with record debt/overspending, that in 2010 Labour had no plans to correct – and now look at it, not just the fastest growing in Europe, but of all the main G7 nations.

“UK has fastest-growing economy, International Monetary Fund says”

“The International Monetary Fund has upgraded its forecast for UK growth to 3.2 per cent this year and 2.7 per cent in 2015”
www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/10988849/UK-has-fastest-growing-economy-International-Monetary-Fund-says.html

“Britain's economy is growing faster than those of every other major developed country, the International Monetary Fund has disclosed”.

“In a vindication of George Osborne’s economic plan, the IMF upgraded its forecast for UK growth to 3.2 per cent this year and 2.7 per cent in 2015.”

So in 2015, voters have the choice of the two main parties FORMING the next government, whether on their own or in coalition.

Vote Ukip, still playing at being a credible political party and the country will get back Labour due to dodgy electoral boundaries, see the economy pan-hole again and NOT get a say whether we stay in the EU or not.

In conclusion;voting for Ukip has no upside for those voters demanding a sustainable UK economy, or a referendum WITH THE FACTS PRESENTED BY BOTH SIDES on remaining within the EU. So you can bluster and put ‘labels’ on the Conservatives as much as you like, but the ONLY real alternative in 2015 is Labour, who are PROVEN after 13-years NOT to offer a sustainable economy, or trust the people to vote on the EU.

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