county council elections - VOTE AGAINST THE CUTS TODAY

(15 Posts)
LaVolcan Sat 04-May-13 08:18:27

I don't think you can always go by Local Elections or Bye - elections. 20 odd years ago the SDP were riding high and hoping to replace Labour, as far as I recall. Where are they now? They joined up with the Liberals and now the Lib Dems are getting a pasting.

20 years ago too, the Tories got wiped out in local elections and looked to be completely finished. Last set of local elections they almost got a clean sweep.

Some people voting for UKIP are voting for a 'non of the above' choice.

CogitoErgoSometimes Sat 04-May-13 07:36:04

If the UKIP success is anything to go by, the mood of the electorate at the moment has swung wildly to the right... further right than the Tories, even. Their dog-whistle little Englander agenda is the polar opposite to liberal. Far from Labour 'converting current feeling' therefore, their Socialism-Lite approach appears to be at completely the wrong end of the policital spectrum.

tiggytape Fri 03-May-13 22:32:15

But Labour are losing their share too - in South Shields for example the overall result is not surprising- it has always been a Labour safe seat -but their margin is being eroded.

Labour’s share of votes has fallen since last year alone. It is nowhere near what it should be to set them on a certain path to certain victory in 2015 - which by rights they should be expecting.
Any main opposition party should expect to able to win against a government presiding over the worst, or at least the longest, economic crisis in living memory and the changes that seem to be affecting everyone so badly.

When the GE in 2010 was approaching, many noted (Mervin King was one I think) that winning was a poisoned chalice. The cuts any government would be forced to make would make them unelectable for another generation at least.
And yet here we are three years later, past midterm with growth, jobs and cuts all worse than expected and Labour seems very far away from being poised to snatch victory from the Tories in 2 years time.
In fact more and more people are actually daring / dreading to think that the next general election could be an outright Tory victory.
It is just unthinkable that Labour has not been able to convert the current feeling in the country to many more votes for their party when they virtually have a captive audience.

MrsBungle Fri 03-May-13 21:05:08

Labour have taken Nottinghamshire from the Tories. In this region even where conservatives kept their seats they were by much less of a percentage.

JuliaScurr Fri 03-May-13 21:00:57

LaVolcan grin

Chipstick10 Fri 03-May-13 15:40:26

I expected labour to do better actually. It was a given the Tories would do badly.

LaVolcan Fri 03-May-13 14:58:51

Well, in Oxfordshire we have had massive cuts in libraries. In some seats UKIP have split the Tory vote and helped to deny them an overall majority by one seat. This includes letting Labour in, in the heart of Cameron country of Witney south and central.

CogitoErgoSometimes Fri 03-May-13 10:14:03

We've retained a Conservative council. They're pretty effective locally, we still have libraries, sure-start centres and good services, the council tax has been frozen. If there are cuts they're not making a big impact here.

tiggytape Fri 03-May-13 09:49:33

MN is a very different demographic to the population as a whole.

Saga did a survey which found UKIP is the second party for older voters with almost 1/5 older people supporting them (beaten only by the number who vote Tory)

The majority of people who turn out and vote in the UK are older.
They are both more numerous and also more likely to turn up and vote. Once you get to over 65's age group, the percentage who turnout to vote is huge - something like 75% of them (for younger people it can be less than 40% of those eligible).

And of course MN has fewer men. Given that 21% of older men support UKIP, it isn't surprising MN seems out of step.

I also think there is a 'shame' factor in it. People who have concerns about immigration for economic or over-stretched resources reasons won't admit to it because it is seem by some as racism. Ditto people who have concerns about the way the EU is shaping up. But of course in the ballot booth they don't have to explain themselves and can vote as they please.

dogsandcats Fri 03-May-13 09:23:13

I get the impression that MN is very out of whack with other voters. or else many posters are afraid to post what they really think, politacally wise, or else they may even lie on here

tiggytape Fri 03-May-13 08:45:57

Looks to me like the unpalatable truth is that majority of voters support the cuts

I don't agree. Most people dont' support the cuts (or the speed or extent of them) but many also feel that Labour have completely failed to outline an alternative. Their lack of an economic policy that people can point to and analyse and seek confidence in has led to people looking for new alternatives i.e. UKIP

scaevola Fri 03-May-13 08:39:18

UKIP are definitely the winners.

Both they and Labour are inadequate in setting out an economic policy. If UKIP move faster than Labour, then Labour is sunk. (LibDems probably beyond salvage in the short term ay least).

BMW6 Fri 03-May-13 08:35:58

Looks like a massive fail by Labour and Lib Dems.........Tories keep overall control & huge UKIP gains.
Looks to me like the unpalatable truth is that majority of voters support the cuts, otherwise Labour would have doine far far better than this.

MiniTheMinx Thu 02-May-13 21:16:48

Just got back in from voting, no tusc in my area so voted labour......again.

JuliaScurr Wed 01-May-13 12:07:32

Most cuts fall on local government
Vote against the cuts
Elect councillors who refuse to implement cuts
www.tusc.org.uk/candidates2013.php
other anti-cuts candidates may be available

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