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Can we discuss the Green Party?

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sheisaba · 03/04/2013 18:51

I pretty much have lost my faith in all the major parties. I cannot vote lib dem again after this coalition debacle. Labour are a lost cause and I can't see myself voting for them again.

Their inability to meaningfully oppose the coalition at this time is terribly disappointing. TBH, I think they are too in the pockets of big corps to be an effective opposition party.

So who is left? I like the Green party's official line, especially about creating a fairer society. So any one who knows more about politics able to tell me if they are really worth a shot? Will they be another lib dems that would sell their souls at the first sniff of power?

I want to be able to vote for a party that won't disappoint that would at least make a credible opposition to the mainstream.

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ttosca · 03/04/2013 21:12

sheisaba

I'm with you entirely there, and I agree with your feelings about the Lib Dems and Labour.

I don't really know how the Greens would be if they were in power. I can't predict their future. Their manifesto seems sound. I also wrote to Caroline Lucas recently, and I got a long, considered reply - which was very nice.

I can only say that I would sooner vote Green than any of the other large parties anyday.

sheisaba · 03/04/2013 23:27

ttosca, I would really be interested in the gist of their response. Realistically, I know that they will be a tiny minority after the next election. I am at a point right now of getting apathetic and opting out like a lot of people which is when dangerous people get in power.

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LittleTyga · 03/04/2013 23:31

I did an online test and discovered I was 100% Green - I love their policies and their language on the website seemed real, unlike the false language used by the other parties.

The Greens have my vote in the next election - even if it is a protest/wasted vote. I love them!

flatpackhamster · 04/04/2013 12:39

The Green Party's policies are authoritarian (in that they believe that the power of the state is more important than that of the individual) and strongly socialist. Not for nothing are they nicknamed watermelons.

Their taxation policy is (IMO) wholly unrealistic and based upon the assumption that, if they raise taxes on the rich, the rich will just sit there and suck it up. Their spending commitments are far higher than their purported tax take. Their industrial policy is not only unrealistic but also illegal under EU law. Their energy policy would ruin the country.

Given that socialists are the ones who pan out to be the biggest crooks (note today that Francois Hollande's minister in charge of tax evasion is a tax evader), I think that you're going to be disappointed if you want principle.

LittleTyga · 04/04/2013 14:34

Eliminate fuel poverty? Pay a living wage? Make the highest polluters pay? Effective welfare benefits for all?

LittleTyga · 04/04/2013 14:38

Hadn't finished but I don't agree. They want to address equal pay, promote maternity and paternity leave, they want to make sure that food is distributed fairly so no one starves. They don't sound Authoritarian at all.

LittleTyga · 04/04/2013 14:47

Just one more thing - I've got to get back to work! But if the Greens are Authoritarian why do always have some Tory breathing down my neck since the day they got in by the skin on their teeth?

Authoritarian is exactly how I would describe the Tory party!

ipadquietly · 04/04/2013 15:00

I've been looking into joining, but the website of my local Greens hasn't been updated since 2011.

flatpackhamster · 04/04/2013 17:56

LittleTyga

Eliminate fuel poverty?

Pay a living wage?

Make the highest polluters pay?

Effective welfare benefits for all?

Hadn't finished but I don't agree. They want to address equal pay, promote maternity and paternity leave, they want to make sure that food is distributed fairly so no one starves. They don't sound Authoritarian at all.

Some of those actions are compatible with governments which aren't authoritarian. The ones you've listed there are popular rallying cries of socialist parties across the world. They all require an aggressive intervention in to the economy in some form. Fuel poverty, the living wage, higher costs for 'polluters', maternity and paternity leave, fuel distribution, equal pay. They all say "We, the government, know best."

Just one more thing - I've got to get back to work! But if the Greens are Authoritarian why do always have some Tory breathing down my neck since the day they got in by the skin on their teeth?

Authoritarian is exactly how I would describe the Tory party!

So would I. The modern Conservative party isn't libertarian, or interested in the freedom of the individual, at all. It's just that the Greens would be worse in their bullying nanny-statism.

ttosca · 04/04/2013 21:49

flatpack is a libertarian capitalist - you know the sort, low taxes, deregulate everything, privitise everything, no social security, etc...

If flatpack doesn't like the Green party, that's just about the best sort of endorsement you can get.

flatpackhamster · 04/04/2013 22:44

It's like you don't know me at all. Not that it'll stop you flapping your yap.

ttosca · 04/04/2013 23:02

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claig · 05/04/2013 14:37

'I pretty much have lost my faith in all the major parties. I cannot vote lib dem again after this coalition debacle. Labour are a lost cause and I can't see myself voting for them again.'

,,,,

So who is left?'

You failed to mention the Conservative Party.

ttosca · 05/04/2013 14:41

lol!

The 'People's Party', right? ;)

claig · 05/04/2013 14:50

The party the people voted for, yes.

But not as in tune with the people as the people's paper, alas.
There is too much talk of carbon credits, windmills and greenhouse gases unfortunately.

ttosca · 05/04/2013 14:54

Actually, the people didn't vote for the Nasty Party. That's why they're in a coalition govt. They certainly didn't vote for the destructive policies they are currently undertaking.

Just to be clear, though, if, at the next general election more people vote for Labour, will that make Labour 'The People's Party'?

claig · 05/04/2013 14:57

Wild talk of wobbly windmills on windswept walleys will fail to win the public wote. A Dear John letter is all the public wrote. Am I wrong or am I wright?

claig · 05/04/2013 14:59

'Just to be clear, though, if, at the next general election more people vote for Labour, will that make Labour 'The People's Party'?'

The Progressive Party, certainly. The People's Party, no. A Party Trick, possibly.

ttosca · 05/04/2013 15:05

It's funny how confused and incoherent you are.

AnnieLobeseder · 05/04/2013 15:05

I love the Green Party's policies and wish they had more power. I would vote for them in a heartbeat, but I live in the middle of Tory-Land and they have absolutely no standing here whatsoever.

If they were canny, they'd be leaping on this current disillisionment of most of the electorate with the "Big Three" and upping their profile. If UKIP is emerging as a new party to reckon with, the Greens certainly should too, and politically they are far preferable to UKIP as an alternative party.

claig · 05/04/2013 15:08

'If they were canny, they'd be leaping on this current disillisionment of most of the electorate with the "Big Three" and upping their profile.'

Annie, if they "upped their profile' and explained their policies, they might end up losing more votes than if they kept quiet. I am sure their strategists have thought this all through.

claig · 05/04/2013 15:48

'I love the Green Party's policies and wish they had more power.'

Found this link, entitled

Excepts from Green Party of England and Wales 'Manifesto for a Sustainable Society'

Have a read of it and see how you like it.

www.sci.sdsu.edu/salton/Immigration_PopGreenParty.html#Population

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AnnieLobeseder · 05/04/2013 18:29

Craig, I realised years ago that we have no common ground between us for reasonable discussion. I will not be engaging with you on this thread.

AnnieLobeseder · 05/04/2013 18:29

Sorry, autocorrect of claig.

claig · 05/04/2013 19:18

OK, but please read the document and see if you agree with it.

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