A new Christian prayer thread for Autumn and Advent... All welcome!

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Tuo Wed 06-Nov-13 00:03:58

Starting a new thread as we head from Autumn into Winter... This is a safe and supportive place of prayer, where regulars, occasional visitors and lurkers, committed Christians and those just dipping a toe into the water are all equally welcome. Come and leave a prayer, tell us what’s going on in your life, bring your worries, hopes, fears and joys to God, and know that you will be prayed for.

We pray, in particular, for...

... amberlight, for her work raising awareness of autism in churches, and for her to know love and acceptance wherever she goes;

... Badvoc and her family, as they grieve the loss of her dad; we pray too for her aunt, who’s very ill, and for all those affected by the death of Badvoc’s uncle who was estranged from the rest of the family;

... BlackEyedSusan, for all the many things which she has to juggle in her life as a single parent; in particular, we pray for her mum's health and for BES to know how best to help and support her, for strength to deal with her DS’s meltdowns, and for both her DC to receive the support that they need at school;

... Bluetinkerbell, in her new job and as she explores her vocation;

... bountyicecream, who is in a very difficult relationship situation and needs our prayers – may she find strength and support and self-belief;

... CharlotteCollinsisinherownplace, giving thanks that she has had the strength to get out of an emotionally abusive relationship, and praying for a happy future for her and for her DC;

... cloutiedumpling, thanking God that her DS doesn’t need surgery, and praying for his continued good health;

... Don'tsteponthemomeraths, for her niece, little Grace, born prematurely – may she continue to grow in strength; also for Mome’s health, and in particular her persistent headaches – may they turn out to be easily treatable; and for Mome’s DS to receive the support he needs at school;

... DutchOma and Bob, for health for Bob and for good support (moral and practical) for Oma as she cares for him day by day; for Oma’s eyes – giving thanks for good sight in the one already treated, and praying for the one still to be done;

... EasyCompadre, for a healthy pregnancy, and for the strength to do what she needs to do for her business while waiting to meet her baby;

... fluffyduckie, that her terminally ill relative is well looked-after and as well as is possible in the circumstances, without too much pain; and that fluffy find a church where she feels comfortable and where she finds a supportive community to sustain her faith;

... FriendOfDorothy, grieving for the loss of her mum – may she know love and support at this difficult time;

... Gingercurl, for the successful completion and examination of her thesis; for strength and discernment for A; for Ginger’s nephew, who has health concerns and is suffering bullying – may he know health and strength and love; and for Ginger’s MIL who has been diagnosed with cancer;

... HadALittleFaith, for her to feel happier now that she has been prescribed anti-depressants; for rest and peace of mind; and for her to find a church where she feels comfortable and welcomed;

... JugglingFromHereToThere, for a job which interests and fulfils her, and for peace and love in her immediate and broader family;

... Kaykat, as she continues to deal with the breakdown of her marriage, giving thanks for the support she has already received and the strength which she has found, and praying that she is soon settled in her own home with her DS;

... LollipopViolet, as she mourns her grandad, and as she explores her faith;

... MadHairDay, for health as she lives with chronic illness - may she be well enough to spend this Christmas at home with her family and not in hospital; praying too for health and love and friendship for MHD’s DD;

... MaryBS, for her work as a Reader, for her DS, and for her friend who was recently diagnosed with stomach cancer;

... niminypiminy, as she begins ordination training; and praying also for her mum’s health, following a recent fall;

... PositiveAttitude and her family; in particular for her parents’ health and for PA and her sister as they take care of them; for her DD1, thanking God that her depression has lifted and that she is enjoying university, and praying for a job for her; for her DD3 who is pregnant, due in February – may she have a trouble-free pregnancy and birth and may she know the joy of being a mother; praying also for PA as her DD3’s pregnancy brings to her mind her DD, Emma, sadly born too soon; and for her DS who is struggling with settling back in the UK, for his studies and for a job for him; and finally praying for PA’s DH and DD4 in Cambodia – may they stay safe and well;

... RoomForALittleOne, for the whole family as her DH embarks on an exciting new curacy placement;

... tunnocksteacake and family, as they cope with Mr Tunnocks’ illness; and

... youretoastmildred, for her friend, R, for a swift recovery from her operation.

We pray also for more occasional visitors and those we haven’t seen for a while: for BoxOfDelights, for thegreenheartofmanyroundabouts, for JakeBullet, for jan and her DD, for notquiteagrownup, for SES, for Soozi, and for weegiemum. And we pray for those who read and pray but don’t post, for those who need our prayers but are afraid or too uncertain to post them, and for all those known to us in our own lives who need God’s love.

Calm us, O Lord, as You stilled the storm.
Still us, O Lord, keep us from harm.
Let all the tumult within us cease.
Enfold us, Lord, in Your peace. Amen

GingerCurl Wed 06-Nov-13 01:17:48

Thank you, TUO. You are wonderful. I rarely post but lurk a lot. Praying.
<waves to everyone here>

Badvoc Wed 06-Nov-13 07:10:46

Thank you tuo x
So...my aunt has inoperable cancer. They don't know where the primary tumour is though.
They are getting the palliative care team in.
Please pray for us all...for strength and peace

Thank you Tuo. Hope your bedtime wasn't too late after doing all of this x

SIL has a nasty cold, so she hasn't been able to see Grace for a few days. Please pray it goes, she's finding it very hard not to see her little girl. Especially with all the worry over her DDs health.

Dutchoma Wed 06-Nov-13 08:12:00

Thank you TUO

Thank you Tuo. Will be good to pray through those requests and get to know you all better.
I'm going to London for a Quaker meeting today so please pray that this goes well for everyone there, and we make some good progress on thinking about the children and young people's work (as that's the focus of the meeting) Thank you thanks
Thinking of you especially BES after your struggles with DS. I'm sorry he has hurt you, that sounds very tough.

cloutiedumpling Wed 06-Nov-13 10:37:24

Great job TUO.

Lurking and praying, especially for Grace and her family

BlackeyedSusan Wed 06-Nov-13 10:55:34

absolutely fantstic tuo. you are a star.

Thank you so much Tuo. have a cake , I am sure you need it now!

BlackeyedSusan Wed 06-Nov-13 11:15:57

god worked a miracle this morning. i got up after 8 oclock and we still go to school on time. I think the children had everything they needed too.

Thanks Tuo. I'd really appreciate some prayers. I'm struggling a bit with life as a mum of a four month old baby. Her sleep is fragile, variable and very frustrating. And, well, she's four months old and a bit... Boring! I know that sounds terrible and she is an amazing gift from God. I just feel like I've 'run dry'. I need a break and this isn't going to happen for months yet. I'm so behind on housework, having a shower seems to be a luxury and I've got loads to do before we have to downsize in June... I can cope with pretty much anything after a decent night's sleep. Please Lord!

thanks for the new thread!

Been praying and lurking too!

Could do with some prayers for DH and me, we're having a difficult time coping with everything going on, job, family life, having a nearly 1 year old that still doesn't sleep through and ends up in bed with us every night.

BlackeyedSusan Wed 06-Nov-13 12:55:26

I will gladly swap. four months is gorgeous... and ds is never "boring"

thehorridestmumintheworld Wed 06-Nov-13 20:01:31

I said prayers for everyone and roomforalittleone I felt sorry you are not quite enjoying your time with your baby, I pray you find some solutions to make this time easier.

I hope you guys will pray for me and my family as we all have some health issues and for my sister who has a baby on the way, maybe tonight!

CharlotteCollinsinherownplace Wed 06-Nov-13 21:51:03

Tuo, thanks. I'm not great at prayers (by which I mean: I can pray absolutely fine - that's just direct communication with a God who always understands - but I get muddled when I try to pray out loud because then I do have to finish sentences and be a bit more coherent!) and it's great to read through your prayers instead.

Gosh, having re-read that sentence, it's not surprising I sometimes struggle to finish a sentence, is it?! confused

sad for those suffering sleep deprivation - it's the absolute worst!

Tuo Thu 07-Nov-13 01:36:36

Welcome horridestmum and sorry for not including you in the OP. Praying for you and for your family - especially your sister.

Praying also for sleep and regeneration for Room, for Blue and her DH, for Juggling's meeting and her work with children and young people, for Baby Grace and for Mome's SIL - the separation must be hard -, and for Badvoc's aunt and cousins and all the family at this difficult time. May God bless you all with His peace.

Thanks for the cake PA! grin

Weegiemum Thu 07-Nov-13 01:49:25

I've been waiting for the new thread to join back in!!

So many ongoing situations I've been praying for.

I'm doing really well, my symptoms are minimal right now and I was able to preach at church on Sunday. I'm leading worship on 1 Dec and providing the Advent Candle reflections through December.

I've done some great stuff myself recently, going to weddings etc.

I've 2 prayer requests.

1) my lovely Stepmum has recently been diagnosed with invasive breast cancer. She's having a total mastectomy and reconstruction plus microsurgery to remove her lymph nodes on Monday. It's pretty much certain that she will have radiotherapy and possibly chemo too. She's been my de facto mum since I was a young teenager, she's more a mum than my bio-mother.

2) dh's parents have been divorced 20 years and FIL has a lovely new partner, for the last 3 years. She's just been told she has multi-organ amyloidosis. It's a very nasty rare illness that basically gums up your organs with lumps of protein. She's just started chemo, but her 6-month prognosis says she has a 10% chance of survival. FIL has never been so happy (he's been married and divorced again after divorce from MIL) and Kat, his partner, is being so brave, but it's realistically a death sentence (my dh is a doctor so checked it out).

So if you could pray for my Stepmum and my dad, and fil and Kat, I'd really appreciate it.

BlackeyedSusan Thu 07-Nov-13 07:13:14

sad weegie.

<yawn> at least I am up today!

prayers answered, MIL babysat last night and DH and I went out for dinner just the two of us, it had been over a year since we'd done that! Was very nice smile

Dutchoma Thu 07-Nov-13 10:22:48

Weegiemum how lovely to see you here, but such sad news about your (step) parents and parents in law. Prayers for them and for their treatment.
Giving thanks that you are coping so well, what grit and determination.
Prayers for Grace and Tunnocks continuing.

thehorridestmumintheworld Thu 07-Nov-13 11:29:00

Prayers for weegie and everyone. My sisters baby was born safely and it is a very cute blue onesmile

Oh, congratulations Auntie horriedest thanks grin

madhairday Thu 07-Nov-13 13:48:05

Thanks so much TUO - you are one lovely lady, we all really appreciate what you do for us here thanks

weegie, it's wonderful to see you and so pleased that you've been doing so well smile praying for your step parents and pils sad

Hello to everyone and have prayed as I read through tuo's great post. Praying especially for Room today.

My DBro and DSIL's baby due today...prayers for a safe delivery!

trish5000 Thu 07-Nov-13 15:03:52

Can I pop in? Not sure exactly why. Just in a bit of a funny mood today. No problem really as far as I know.

Will pray for posters on here
madhairday, you know me by another name but goodness knows which one, as I am a frequent nc!
Are you in hospital or at home?

May I sneak in and sit at the back?! smile I'm exploring my faith again after a brush with cancer. I will remember everyone in my prayers.

weegie I bumped into you on the Tamoxifen thread where you mentioned your step mum. I am so sorry to hear of Kat's illness too.

CharlotteCollins I rarely pray out loud except during Mass or if I'm reading/reciting a prayer someone else has written. Otherwise I just say it all inside my head. I'm sure that's okay too smile

Hi trish - tis a very nice place to pop into - these people have a great gift for encouragement I think! Would you like to share my cuppa brew - well, you can even have your own if you like brew

As I say to the DC "Don't say I don't do nothing for ya" grin

Shock horror I've done my application form for pre-school round the corner this afternoon, and am just off to drop it off. Send it with a prayer ? thanks
Thanks all x

Will be able to enjoy quiet morning at our Meeting House with friends tomorrow guilt free - that was one of my incentives smile

madhairday Thu 07-Nov-13 15:45:33

Juggling that sounds exciting, certainly saying a prayer.

Trish - welcome....I think I know who you are but not completely sure grin - great to see you smile

Welcome Ruby - lovely to have you join us, sorry to hear of what you have been through.

trish, no not in hospital thank goodness, just don't want a third Christmas in so doing all I can not to...doesn't quite work that way but I can hope!!

trish5000 Thu 07-Nov-13 16:08:57

I will share your cuppa, thanks Juggling.
mad, we talked quite a lot about a year ago, but dont want to say more than that. Thanks for the welcome.

mad thank you for the welcome and Christmas in hospital sounds very grim indeed so I really hope you can avoid that this year smile

juggling all the best for your application

Thanks Ruby - I really hope I dropped it off at the right house - I got a bit nervous whether I'd got the address right after I'd sealed the envelope blush

I'm sure you did smile I'm the same, sometimes have to reopen envelopes to check I've put the right name etc blush

PandaG Thu 07-Nov-13 17:53:32

Fab, a new thread - Thanks Tuo smile I do read and pray through from time to time, but haven't posted for ages.

Please could you pray for me? My mum is in hospital with a lung infection 'gunk' in the pleural cavity. As she only has 1 and a bit lungs to begin with, and scleroderma which is affecting her good lung, she is really poorly. She has lost a heck of a lot of weight, has had blood transfusions due to anaemia, IV fluids as she was badly dehydrated, and is currently on oxygen and IV antib's, waiting for a culture of the infection to grow. I spent all last week staying with my dad, visiting my mum in hospital and cooking to fill Dad's freezer for easy meals for him when he gets homew from visiting, and hopefully for my mum when she comes home.

Mum is going very slowly in the right direction - we too are praying she will be home for Christmas, but the consultant has warned us it may be months. I am utterly knackered, very selfishly had been looking forward to a break at half term yet have not had one at all.

Have lots of other plates to spin currently too, but to top it all DS had an exchange student arrive last night for 10 days. He is occupied every school day, but only a couple of evenings, and not at all at the weekend. Thankfully his English is significantly better than our German, and so far so good, but it is very tiring looking after him...

whinge, whinge, whinge. Sorry blush.

trish5000 Thu 07-Nov-13 18:18:09

You whinge PandaG.
fwiw, I have a relative with only one lung, so I understand how poorly she is likely to be feeling. Will pray.
<hope it is all right with the usual people on this thread,that I have commented?>

madhairday Thu 07-Nov-13 19:01:21

Oh Panda, definite prayers and love for you and your mum. Pleural infections are particularly nasty and painful sad Praying for you and your dad in all this too. thanks

Of course it's great you are commenting trish! Everyone welcome here smile (and yes I remember you) wink

Dutchoma Thu 07-Nov-13 19:55:56

Oh Panda another one from the dim and distant past like Weegie how wonderful to see both of you on the same day.
Prayers for your mum and for you and your dad and all the family too.
And yes, as MHD says Trish of course you are very welcome to comment and to pray and to be part of this wonderfully supportive group.
I'm praying now that you will not be in hospital over Christmas MHD.

Dutchoma Thu 07-Nov-13 20:40:47

Praying tonight for Tunnocksteacake who has had more bad news today. As she says "it never rains..."

BlackeyedSusan Thu 07-Nov-13 22:53:22

actually, I would not recommend a seat at the back. thaat is where i sit with ds and you may be hit by the odd flying welly. perhps you should bring crash helmet for safety.

another melt down today. he was in the strait jacket grip faster than greased lightening today so only a couple of kicks met their mark and I managed to stay out of range of the teeth that were snapping at my hands.

ahh trish, it makes a change from me whinging on.... people will think of you as a blessed relief!

sent it on its way with a prayer juggling.

I haave finally got through to my mother on the phone and she is a little more normal. I am still washed out though.

jacquelinemccafferty Thu 07-Nov-13 23:30:37

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Tuo Fri 08-Nov-13 00:16:49

Wonderful to see some new faces on the thread, and also some oldies returning. All are welcome - and very welcome to join in and post and just enjoy being part of this very supportive group.

Praying for all tonight, especially those with health worries, the sleep-deprived, those worried about their DC, those with difficult relationships in their lives, those exploring or returning to faith, and for all of us, with all our different hopes and needs.

I'm off abroad to another work conference very early tomorrow (aargh - 6 hours from now I'll be on the train!) so must go to bed.

Ah, can you read this on the train Tuo ?
Thinking of you for your trip.

What a lovely list for prayer in your last post x

Dutchoma Fri 08-Nov-13 08:54:17

jacqueline you are most welcome. Come right in. All the best people always sit at the back, but wherever you are you will always be in the centre of our thoughts.
Happy travel to TUO.

PandaG Fri 08-Nov-13 15:25:36

Praying for all, and thanks for teh welcome back smile

amberlight Fri 08-Nov-13 22:03:16

Praying quietly

Praying through. Welcome to all the new posters and welcome back to old friends.

I've posted a thread in sleep because I can't cope anymore. I'm sure that prayer is the best option though smile

BlackeyedSusan Sat 09-Nov-13 11:47:08

morning. just checking in. home this weekend and have an h free day too.

cloutiedumpling Sat 09-Nov-13 14:08:35

Struggling a bit with something today that could impact on our whole family. Why is it that the words "Thy will be done" are sometimes the hardest words in the world to say?

Dutchoma Sat 09-Nov-13 14:13:32

Praying cloutie and for BES too, for a productive day and an opportunity to enjoy time with the children.

Praying room x

Thanks Mome. I'm considering giving DD3 a bottle (of formula) at bedtime to see if that helps and could give me a bit of a break. I'm not sure if I want to though. She's been EBF for 18.5 weeks so far.

How was your day BES?

Dutchoma Sat 09-Nov-13 20:40:52

I saw your message on 'sleep' but have you asked the breastfeeding gurus about giving a bottle of formula?
I did pray for dd3 to sleep and am sorry you are getting so exhausted.

NeverKnowinglyUnderstood Sat 09-Nov-13 20:47:05

Stepping in this evening to ask for some prayers for guidance with my son.

We are having a very challenging time with him at the moment and we would welcome as much support as we can get.

Thank you TUO for your prayer at the end of your OP. It is exactly what I need today. x

Dutchoma Sat 09-Nov-13 20:58:06

Very welcome NKU. How old is ds? Praying for a peaceful night for all of you.

NeverKnowinglyUnderstood Sat 09-Nov-13 21:07:37

thank you Dutchoma.
He is nearly 10 and had a 2 hour meltdown today punching hitting kicking and throwing things. DH and I are battered and bruised and there are holes in his wall from where he has thrown things sad

BlackeyedSusan Sat 09-Nov-13 23:46:25

does he have a diagnosis nku?

both dd and ds had bottles of formula in the evening. it saved my sanity. (and boobs) the midwife said that he would be likely to give up breast feeding if he had a bottle of formula. she was right, in the end. i had to wait another two and a half years though. grin

I didn't find it worked when I gave a bottle with DD at bedtime. It didn't make her sleep longer.

Are they waking from hunger?

It really does sound like that hideous sleep regression they go through at about 4 months. And it lasted for awhile with both of mine.

However maybe your h could give a bottle so you could sleep a bit longer at night sometimes? Would that help?

Today is the first time I've preached at a Remembrance Service which is incredibly daunting as I have old soldiers, serving military and scouts turning up with flags so trying to produce something meaningful and very short as we aim to get the 2 minutes silence on time has been a real challenge. Any spare prayers this morning would be very welcome!

Kaykat Sun 10-Nov-13 09:04:56

Am praying greenheart. And NKU.

I also had a challenging day with DS yesterday. He told me that his dad used to keep me calm and without him I'm mental amongst other unpleasant things. This isnt his normal sort of language, he was probably copying things his dad has said. This is all because he doesn't like washing or getting out of bed so we are often late for things and he doesn't like me rushing him.

praying Green

Prayers would be appreciated here....I need to make a decision about a job I do, but it is all so complicated. It's only a "fill in when others are off sick/holiday cover" job, so not regular. I was given a load of shifts for November and December......I should be happy for the money, if nothing else, I seriously need it, but it feels wrong! I have been praying about whether I should give it up.....On one side there is the money..I have been praying for more money, so is this the answer to that prayer. BUt if it is, then why on earth does it feel wrong. I do enjoy the work......ish! confused I just want to do what is right....I trust God for our finances, but I don't want to chop out this income (although it really is minimal, tbh) I do think that this job is actually stopping me doing what I know God wants me to do, really. Oh I don't know.....clarity would be good!!

PandaG Sun 10-Nov-13 09:10:00

praying for sleep, for peace in the NKU household and wisdom how to deal with DS.

Greenheart, praying for you and those you preach to this morning.

We are taking our German exchange student to church with us today, he has asked whe the poppies mean, so hoping it should not be awkward for him. Church friend of our is German, so will be able to explain further.

Having an exchange student is very tiring - parenting someone else's teen with very different expectations - no you cannot go out at night to meet people I don't know, with no idea of where you are going or how you are getting back. I am pretty sure he was invited to a party (being tall, attractive and sporty) which my son (being small and nerdy/geeky) was not invited to. If he could tell me where he was going to go we'd have taken him and picked him up, just like we would DS (or let him walk if local and appropriate). Invited a friend of DS's and his exchange partner round instead - they had a pleasant evening and I knew where they were!

trish5000 Sun 10-Nov-13 09:48:44

PositiveAttitude. Are you able to analise why it feels wrong? Often then, imo it is wrong. But sometimes it is right, but it is ourselves that are feeling a bit off about other things, iyswim.

Praying for those on here.

Dutchoma Sun 10-Nov-13 10:40:25

If you feel that this job is stopping you from doing what God wants you to do then it is wrong. It is not the first time you have relied on God for your income and the job may not be the answer to prayer that God has given you.

amberlight Sun 10-Nov-13 12:41:32

NKU, praying. Are you able to say whether your fine lad has a diagnosis of any kind for something that may cause the meltdowns?
Here, it wasn't a very splendid week last week. Family horse had to be put down. Lost a friend to cancer. Car broke down. Been praying through it all.
And keeping everyone here in prayers.

Afternoon All. Really struggling today as DD3's sleep continues to get worse. I don't think that weaning or a bottle will help but have no idea how to break a nighttime sleep association with feeding when she is too young to night wean. She clearly isn't hungry every two hours though hmm

I also struggle with Remembrance Sunday. DH was interviewed at length about his time serving in Iraq this morning. I could have done without that. Selfish I know. But at least I'm being honest.

NeverKnowinglyUnderstood Sun 10-Nov-13 14:37:53

thank you everyone for being so kind. He has no diagnosis of anything, and 95% of the time he is a gorgeous boy who I am proud to call my son.
The other 5% though does feel like a dirty secret. All of this behaviour is saved for us at home.

He has just started playing rugby and I am hoping this will help him channel his agression into something constructive?

Your prayers are truly appreciated. Wisdom will come, I am sure.
My prayers today are focused on those who have troubling memories or emotions regarding rememberance day and for all those who have lost their lives in battle as either civilians or soldiers.

NeverKnowinglyUnderstood Sun 10-Nov-13 14:47:38

RFALO - Do you have a partner/husband? the thing about the bottle isn't necessarily about your daughter sleeping longer, but if you had that option you could feed her at 8 then go straight to bed and get a solid 4-6 hours if your partner was happy to do what ever was needed at 10 and 12.
I know alot of people don't like it for many reasons but formula isn't poison and if it breaks the cycle of her wanting you for food at that time (she can have lovely cuddles with daddy) that would potentially benefit both of you?
Praying for God to guide you as to the right solution for you and your family unit.

cloutiedumpling Sun 10-Nov-13 14:56:14

RFALO - does DD sleep in her own room? I was reluctant to put one of our DCs into his own room before 6 months due to the advice about SIDS prevention. Once he was in his own room though he slept much better and longer.

Yes, I have a DH and he is very supportive but I think he might find that hard and I'm trying to protect him from any more stress as he finishes at college.

DD3 is in a cot right next to our bed. It may move a bit further from our bed when I sell the Moses basket and glider chair...

cloutiedumpling Sun 10-Nov-13 15:48:45

Could the cot be moved so that she can't see you? DD and I share a room when we stay at my parents' house and she tends to wake me up much more often because she can see me. I've been tempted to set up the travel cot in the hall and may do that next time I visit. I hope it gets better soon. There's a good reason why sleep deprivation is used as a torture technique.

Thank you for the prayers. The service went well and I always cry at some point at Remembrance but managed to hold it together to a point where no one could see the vicar having a bit of a moment.

My middle child didn't sleep through until 9 months. I look at him now and the wonderful human being that he is but wonder how I survived as it is just so tough when they don't sleep so prayers for better nights

thehorridestmumintheworld Sun 10-Nov-13 17:14:15

Prayers for you all greenheart glad your service went well.
NKU it might be worth finding out if your DS has a health problem. I will pray God helps lead you to people who can help.

HadALittleFaith Sun 10-Nov-13 19:06:56

Hello all. It seems I fell off the old thread just before the new one was started. I've been reading through, I'm on my phone so may struggle to name check a bit but will try!

Room, you have my sympathy. I have finally got Faithlet into a routine and sleeping better but it took drastic attempts (controlled crying) to achieve it. I did read The No Cry Sleep Solution which has lots of tips on improving settling and I highly recommend it. Do you have a bedtime routine? We introduced formula at about 4 months which helped to reduce the cluster feeding in the evenings which made a huge difference to me. I had misgivings about it but it was the right thing to do. Now she is mix fed at nearly 7 months taking alternate BF and bottles.

bes sorry to hear things are still tough with DS. How are things with the school? How's your Mum?

badvoc I'm so sorry to hear about your Aunty. Praying for her and all your family at this difficult time.

Welcome to the newbies/returners. Good to have you here smile

Tuo thanks for the thread.

PA praying about work and your family.

I am feeling much better. The tablets have kicked in. Faithlet is on new reflux meds which have helped massively and now she is sleeping better (napping in her cot in the day rather than in the car/pushchair/on me!) I have more energy to play with her when she is awake. I feel much more relaxed too. I decided to go back to my church and push into it rather than leave and start over. DH isn't coming (prayers for his faith please!) but I'm taking Faithlet and suddenly feel better about my faith and feel positive about church.

Lovely to have you back Faith and so wonderful that life is sorting out for you. Prayers for your husband and for you as he struggles with faith. Hang in there and pray for him. God has him in his hands.

Room you have my sympathy. I remember the zombie feeling very well!!! You WILL come out the other side. pray that God will give you the energy and grace to get through this time. DD2 was my worst and I used some natural herbal stuff that you just use a couple of drops of before putting them down for the night - this was 21 years ago, I haven't got a clue what it was called!!! - first time I gave it was the first time she ever slept for 3 solid hours, she was 3 months old.......I did not relax for one minute because I was convinced I had given her too much and had done her damage, so I sat watching every breath for those 3 hours, then woke her up to make sure she was alive! hmm

Thank you for your prayers about my work....It is a bit more complicated than I said, but I now have a peace about it. I will be giving it up. I am going in today and chatting with one of the other ladies who I work with.....she wants more hours, so I think I can palm most of mine off to her.
The main problem, as I see it with the situation, is that there are 3 people who are mostly trying to please me, but have a wrong idea of what I actually want.
1) top boss who I know from church, (not a church job, this one!) who knows that I am financially very stretched and he is insisting that I am given as many hours as possible!
2) Lovely lady who's job I took, but she then came back to the job, but does not want me to feel pushed out, so she backs off work that could be shared as she doesn't want me to think she is taking all the hours!
3) my immediate boss lady, who repeatedly tells me that I should not have been employed!! hmm but she has pressure from top boss to give me the hours - but lets me know that she doesn't really want to!
Oh and another boss who is getting very twitchy about me having a "zero hours" contract and seems to think that if I am given hours I wont complain and cause problems.......but actually a zero hours is exactly what I want!!! And I would most definitely not complain anyway!

So, in summary, I am going to have to be totally honest with everyone.....but one lady is now off sick for about 3 months, so I will have to step in to help out during that time, but only as a last result. I will trust God for the finances....yes, DO I should be used to this by now!
All as clear as mud! grin

HadALittleFaith Mon 11-Nov-13 14:11:59

Praying for clarity PA!

God's timing is amazing....I was procrastinating about talking to my boss about going back to work. I finally contacted her last week about going in today. Wednesday we had a conversation about me going part time and doing without the childcare we'd booked. Then Thursday the childminder contacted me to say she could no longer accommodate Faithlet! My boss has agreed to me doing exactly the shifts I want. I feel so relieved and content about going back and the set up we've got (my Dad will have her twice a week and DH at the weekends). Praise God! smile

FairPhyllis Mon 11-Nov-13 14:44:32


I don't normally post on this thread, but I would just like to say that I really need some prayers right now. I can't say what it is about, but it's a very worrying situation, and I'd really appreciate your prayers.


Dutchoma Mon 11-Nov-13 15:23:18

Dear Phyll God knows your circumstances exactly and He will be with you, whatever you face. I'm praying for calm clarity and wisdom for you.

Prayers Phyll God knows what you need - we don't need to! Prayers for God's peace to surround you.

Dutchoma Mon 11-Nov-13 21:39:54

Marking a place for evening prayer for Tunnocks and her family. May the Lord bless you and keep you

Kaykat Tue 12-Nov-13 07:47:49

Popping in for a quick prayer request. Got to make a decision today and not sure what to do, hoping it will be clear to me at the time. It is about my housing situation.

Dutchoma Tue 12-Nov-13 07:52:47

Praying Kay.

BlackeyedSusan Tue 12-Nov-13 10:32:38

me too kay.

Have just started a new thread on "Anyone else for a simple Christmas" - based on reading Justin Welby's comments in the newspapers yesterday - and it's just made "discussions of the day" smile

Come on over and support it if you're planning a simple Christmas with some meaning in it too?!

BlackeyedSusan Tue 12-Nov-13 14:48:00

it is time to venture out and collect the hoard of vandal. i am very tired and fed up of getting attacked.

How much support are you getting with DS bes ?
Sorry you feel so tired x

Kaykat Tue 12-Nov-13 22:00:03

I made my decision but might be facing some prejudice for being a single mum, will find out tomorrow. Might have my own home very soon <excited>

CharlotteCollinsinherownplace Tue 12-Nov-13 22:13:44

Ooh! That would be good.

madhairday Wed 13-Nov-13 11:54:13

Praying Kaykat thanks

Hello Phyll, praying for you, God does know what you need and loves you so much.

Prayed as I read through. Been super busy these past days and not had a minute, and off on a conference tomorrow, all while fighting an infection so prayers to get through would be fab.

May you all know God holding you, loving you, comforting you, strengthening you today.

zulubump Wed 13-Nov-13 13:16:58

Hi all please forgive me for barging in here like this. I've made the occasional post on these boards, but mostly lurk! My dear nan passed away yesterday (and I lost my other nan a few months ago), Neither of them were Christians and it has caused me think and worry about the whole doctrine of heaven and the other place (can't bring myself to type it in relation to my nans). Please would you pray for my nan (not sure if that can help her or not) and for me to find some peace about this whole issue because I am tying myself in knots at the moment. My faith is fairly new and not particularly strong and I'm having trouble trusting in God at the moment. Many thanks.

zulu I know different people have different views but I can't imagine a loving God would refuse anyone from heaven whether they are Christian or not. Personally I believe being as good a person as you can is the most important thing, what religion you are, if any, doesn't really matter. I believe God loves everyone. I am so sorry for your losses flowers I hope you can find some comfort in your faith and in your memories.

I'm really sorry for your loss zulubump

I do a lot of funerals for people who weren't overtly Christian. When their families talk about the person who has passed away then in 99% of cases they were people who loved and were loved. As God is love and we are made in his image then I'm very hopeful that he will recognise us and we will recognise him.

Dutchoma Wed 13-Nov-13 16:49:36

I too am sorry for your loss Zulu. The thing that always comes to my mind is the hymn: There's a wideness in God's mercy. We must never put ourselves in God's place and do the judging for Him. God is good, God is love and all He asks of us is that we love Him and the people around us. We have a personal responsibility to live as good a life as we can and leave the issue to God. We none of us deserve His mercy, but He gives it freely.

madhairday Wed 13-Nov-13 16:57:28

So sorry to hear that zulu thanks

Agree with green and DO. God's love and mercy is far greater and far wider than we can ever imagine. All I know is that God is utterly just and utterly loving, so I believe we can trust in him for those we love and who have loved us. I am praying for you.

PandaG Wed 13-Nov-13 18:18:38

totally agree with the others have said Zulu. God is love and God is just, and we can trust him. So sorry to hear of your loss. xx

Kaykat Wed 13-Nov-13 20:00:27

Ladies, it all worked out, I'm going to be in a new home in a few weeks time grin

Kaykat Wed 13-Nov-13 20:01:46

grin grin grin grin grin grin grin grin grin grin

PandaG Wed 13-Nov-13 20:10:27

grin katykat. Praise God!

FaithTheVampireSlayer Wed 13-Nov-13 20:14:53

grin kay that's just wonderful! Praise God! Well done you for your patience and perseverance in this. I pray you'll be very happy in your new home! thanks

Sorry for your loss Zulu. Praying for comfort and understanding.

bes sending more prayers your way.

Dutchoma Wed 13-Nov-13 20:36:49

Kay grin grin grin grin grin grin grin grin grin grin

harbinger Wed 13-Nov-13 20:49:53

I'm a wavering Christian/agnostic. I grew up in the world of prayer as my DM is a vicar's daughter.

This time she needs your prayers, she believes in the power of prayer.
She also believes that she is only alive now due to prayers.

My DF has broken (compression) his back.

DM has heart failure and is going blind, DF is deaf.

Dear Lord please hear our prayers. And give us a Guide for the way forward.

PloddingDaily Wed 13-Nov-13 22:46:07

Please may I ask for your prayers too? Don't want to say much on a public forum but on the receiving end of a campaign of harassment & aggression & it's all getting a bit much to bear. Perpetrator is very good at knowing just how far to push it & authorities seem powerless to stop them. Really struggling with trying to 'forgive my enemy' & keep on going, especially as a lot of the behaviour is not 'normal' which can be very unnerving. Please pray for our protection?
Many thanks & sorry that my first post on here is a request. sad

BlackeyedSusan Wed 13-Nov-13 23:01:31

i am running out of jelly babies, and no longer running out of sudocreme. smile

ds is being bribed to sleep in his own room with jelly babies.

he is being tricky after school, but for two days running I have had no need for fresh applications of sudocreme. i did carry hinm out of the charity shop upside down but after a few yards he decided he liked it and calmed down. a passing oap asked where I had aquired the sack of 'potatoes' too

amberlight Wed 13-Nov-13 23:26:22


Dutchoma Thu 14-Nov-13 07:12:13

PloddingDaily that sounds a tough situation to be in. Praying for your protection and wisdom in the situation.
BES, I'm sorry, but 'sack of potatoes' sounds quite funny actually.
Amber, praying.
And prayers for all who have health, relationship or other needs.

zulubump Thu 14-Nov-13 08:01:57

Thank you so much for all your prayers and words of wisdom. Feeling a bit lighter about it all today. I agree with what you all say in theory... but having trouble really believing at the moment. PloddingDaily, that sounds terrible. Praying for you and others.

BlackeyedSusan Thu 14-Nov-13 08:19:05

ds and i are struggling with a cough. (one each)

Dutchoma Thu 14-Nov-13 09:03:57

Zulubump we all have trouble sometime to 'believe our beliefs and doubt our doubts' That is the normal experience of every Christian, however mature. The way out, I find, is to go over what you have learned of the Christian faith and hang on for dear life to the little you can believe in.
Things you might try are:" Christ has died, Christ has risen, Christ will come again."
Or: "I am the way, the truth and the light." Things like that.

Harbinger Prayers for you and your family's situation. I pray that you will really feel God guide and comfort you. Please hang around and let us pray through this situation with you.

Kay so very pleased for you! grin

Prayers for everyone else here and a huge welcome to the newbies! smile

BlackeyedSusan Thu 14-Nov-13 21:47:34

oh dear. mum is very bad again. she is going to take a sleeping tablet. I hope that will help. she has said she has fallen out with a lot of people, which is usually points to her being very ill again. i can't do a lot as I am too poorly to rush about.

Dutchoma Thu 14-Nov-13 21:51:26

Have you got the pone number of her care manager? If so ring that, it's only Friday tomorrow, not yet the weekend. if not, ring when you think there might be a carer about and ask for the number of the care manager. If all else fails ring her GP.
Praying for you all.

zulubump Thu 14-Nov-13 21:55:35

Yes Dutchoma, when I am confused about it all I remember what I read on a Christian website explaining what Christians believe. It had 3 main things:
1) There is a God
2) God came to us in Jesus
3) That matters!
Sometimes that's about all I can cope with. And the "That matters" part spurs me on to find a way through my doubts.

Tuo Fri 15-Nov-13 00:08:49

Hello all! I'm back! Actually I got back on Sunday night, but have been stupidly busy ever since, so I'm just catching up with the thread now. Praying for all of us in all our different circumstances and asking God to be near us, to hear us, and to fill us with his love. More soon, when I'm a bit more awake!

Very excited today, I am off to see Martin Smith (ex delirious) in Bournemouth later. Wooooo!!!

BlackeyedSusan Fri 15-Nov-13 16:35:06

somebody pass the sudocrem.

SunshineMMum Fri 15-Nov-13 16:56:36

Hello de lurking I just wanted to give thanks for Amber an all she is doing around raising awareness in churches. We have a son who has autism and have currently stepped out of Church life for a period of reflection.

Please could I ask for prayer for all of those children with special needs, making the difficult transition to school or secondary school and to give thanks for the uniqueness of my son, and all that we learn on our journey with him.

amberlight Fri 15-Nov-13 17:44:52

Praying through (and thanks, SunshineMMum)

BlackeyedSusan Fri 15-Nov-13 18:23:55

the transition home from school can be tricky too. hmm

<rubs sudocrem on another bite>

SunshineMMum Fri 15-Nov-13 18:50:12

Praying for you too, Black eyed Susan, meltdowns are us too this week. xx

amberlight Fri 15-Nov-13 19:11:14

Scariest times of my life, coming home from school. Still traumatised by the memories of it. Nothing to do with how loving people were there. Everything to do with sensory overload after a day of intense noise, chaos, brightness, flickering fluorescent lighting, hard chairs, scratchy uniform, weird social encounters....followed by blinding sunlight right in the eyes on the walk home, traffic noise and fumes, having to change out of clothing into other clothing that hurts and scratches the skin...making conversation when my brain was hurting so much that I wanted to curl up in a ball and cry. I wished there was somewhere to go with no noise and no people talking at me...just me and my world for an hour where my brain could stop hurting. Autism and modern schooling = disaster for us a lot of the time.

BlackeyedSusan Fri 15-Nov-13 19:26:01

ds needs and gets his hour to relax once he is home. it is the getting him home that is the problem.

amberlight Fri 15-Nov-13 20:36:09

Yup, before going home.

SunshineMMum Fri 15-Nov-13 21:19:04

A new and scary 40 minutes walking home for ds, lighting candles and the lavender burner, having a prayer and a snack ready is having a positive impact. Thanks be.

Kaykat Sat 16-Nov-13 09:44:22

Just one more hurdle, need to pass credit checks and wondering if ex h might have done something to mess up my credit rating if that's even possible. Then i will be a new home. I still get the odd wobbly day when his cheating still hurts me but i hope it will be goodbye to home sickness making everything else easier to deal with.

thehorridestmumintheworld Sat 16-Nov-13 14:12:18

Prayers for everyone.
amberlight your description of how you felt coming out of school is so vivid, might help some people understand how their autistic kids feel.
I pray for more understanding towards autistic people and more help to be available to them and their families.

thehorridestmumintheworld Sat 16-Nov-13 14:33:58

zulubump praying for you. I don't believe God is only there for Christians he has just given us a special way to know Him. One day we will know him and understand all these things. But we can't believe in a loving God and then say he is less compassionate and merciful than even the average person. There is definately a place in Gods heart for your Granny.

zulubump Sat 16-Nov-13 18:26:28

Kaykat, praying all goes well with your new home. Praying also for also for those with autistic children to care for. A very vivid description amberlight! And thanks horridestmum, that is how I feel. If I love my Nan so much then surely God loves her even more. It's just some passages of the Bible don't help so much with trusting in that.

bountyicecream Sat 16-Nov-13 20:20:31

Sorry to barge in, but I need some help. As some of you know (I've had great support and advice from dutchoma) I'm in an ea marriage with a man who is supposedly a Christian. I was ready to leave and then my husband persuaded me to have joint counselling through the church that married us, which has been happening since August.

The counselling has confused me more, and I feel now that perhaps on some level I am to blame. My husbands view is that I have never committed properly to my 'primary' family and that I have too much contact influence etc with my parents. I feel i have a vey low key relationship with my parents. He has a poor relationship with his.

I don't expect help, comments on all of the above, this is just background.

But this is my issue.

I've been praying for guidance as to what god wants me to do. You have been praying, my parents have been praying, the counsellor has been praying. I'm desperately trying to listen to what god is saying. I am totally open. If he says that his plan is for me to stay and work things through then I will. If he says that by leaving I'm doing the best for our dd then I would do that.

So why can't I hear what he's telling me and what his plan is? i feel like I'm a little fish floundering in a massive pool.

Bounty I'll pray for clarity. I have to say it took time until I felt I heard God in my marriage when I was trying to build up the courage to submit the divorce petition. I was in emotional turmoil for a long time. It's so hard and my marriage was much more cut and dried with an affair.

I probably recommended this book to you before but have you read Not Under Bondage by Barbara Roberts?

I would also say that this counsellor isn't right for your marriage, if the blame is being placed firmly on your shoulders. Please pm me if it helps I'm praying for you and I'm sure the other wise ladies will be along soon. Much love x

Dutchoma Sat 16-Nov-13 21:29:28

Bounty, you say: "You have been praying, my parents have been praying, the counsellor has been praying. I'm desperately trying to listen to what god is saying. I am totally open." What about your husband, dear Bounty? Has he been praying that he might fulfill the role of the Christian husband as outlined in Eph5:22-end? Has he been praying at all?
In my experience God speaks, but He only speaks once and then expects you to do as He tells you. At one stage you were convinced that it was better for your dd if you went. Maybe I am wrong but I think you know in your heart of hearts there is no hope for this relationship if you want to have any chance of being a person in your own right and not, as Mome says 'under bondage'.

bountyicecream Sat 16-Nov-13 21:34:57

Thanks both. I've not read that book. But will get it ordered to work. Thanks. Interesting dutchoma about god only speaking once. Yes I did feel certain once. I don't know what or even if my husband is praying.

CharlotteCollinsinherownplace Sat 16-Nov-13 22:07:07

bounty, hello lovely girl!

I would say God knows that one of the big problems of being in an EA marriage is that you do not trust your own judgement. I certainly wanted somebody else to tell me to leave. Nobody did, though. Not even God, now I come to think of it.

God has plans for our lives, yes, but there is a lot of room for us to make decisions, too. He has given us brains and designed adults to be capable of making good decisions! He is leaving the decision in your hands, bounty. You need to own it, I think, in order to move on from it. (Or with it?)

That book Mome suggested is good. What I heard from God, in reading that book, was that it was not wrong to leave. (Which is, of course, very different from "you must leave" or even "I want you to leave.") Look at it this way, he is not telling you to stay, either, is he? You can go either way. He'll find useful work for you to do on either path, I suspect.

thehorridestmumintheworld Sat 16-Nov-13 22:47:04

Focus is sometimes critised for being too conservative but even they don't recommend you just stay and let him abuse you.
God is not going to make this decision for you, but he is with you in your decisions good or bad. He will give you strength to continue on.

CharlotteCollinsinherownplace Sat 16-Nov-13 22:57:28

in reality he is in no less pain than the woman, but he usually does not know it

I'm sorry, but WTF? Can it be described as pain if he doesn't feel it??

Looks like those articles are written for women who believe that God WILL judge them if they leave their marriage. sad

And that Malachi verse: "God hates divorce." Well, yes, so do I - it's a painful, horrible thing to go through. But necessary, in my case. I am so grateful that GOD put that escape route in place for people like me, even though he's terribly sad that it's necessary.

<steps off soapbox>


Sorry if that was a rant.

bountyicecream Sun 17-Nov-13 00:19:34

Hi charlotte. You are so right about the not trusting my own judgement. And thehorridest you've hit the nail on the head I think about hoping god will decide for me. Thanks for clearing that up.

BlessedAssurance Sun 17-Nov-13 00:36:15

Hello everyone. Many moons ago i joined this thread but stopped coming. However I just felt like being here again and hope it's alright. I'm currently pregnant with DC2,a boy and all is well. However I have an exam coming soon and need some prayers. I also have an appointment with an eye specialist the day after my exam so hoping they will be able to help me. I have had the same problem for over a year and couldn't get an appointment so the eye is a bit of a pain. Thank you.

thehorridestmumintheworld Sun 17-Nov-13 01:28:00

As I mentioned focus is a very conservative, biblically based organization and they are never going to say LTB as a first option, but they do admit in the article that divorce may be unavoidable if counselling fails to help.
btw I don't think they just mean the sort of marriage counselling you might have if you are in a non abusive but difficult marriage but maybe the man getting psychological help to stop his abusive behaviours and maybe the wife getting help to stop accepting his abuse and heal from any previous abuse she has suffered.
But they do take it seriously and in another article they talk about a woman who had to go into a psychiatric hospital to heal from the results of an emotionally abusive marriage. They aren't saying stay there, pray and hope he changes.
personally I don't think God would be against leaving an abusive marriage but if bounty wants to feel she is following the bible she might feel better to know that even these very strong believers in the bible think that if you have tried counselling and it hasn't stopped the abuse you should divorce.
I used to be more biblical myself but I've moved away from that now, but I still like to turn to the bible for help when I am having problems. There is always something there to comfort me.

Blessedassurance praying.

thehorridestmumintheworld Sun 17-Nov-13 09:14:27

Just wanted to say Happy Sunday thanks didn't mean to start any debates on this lovely prayer thread. I must admit I do find it hard not to give my advice and opinion! I'm not very good at just listening and giving support in prayer. So I pray I will get better at that, and trust God to be able to help through our loving prayers.

CharlotteCollinsinherownplace Sun 17-Nov-13 09:19:37

Yeah and sorry, I jumped into a debate with both feet! I didn't spot that about divorce being a possibility; read it as there will always be a way to stay together if the woman stops playing her part in the cycle of abuse, which felt yuk.

I will come to you for a more balanced translation in future!! grin

Happy Sunday all. I'm hoping to cycle out into the countryside this morning for some spiritual refreshment and then am looking forward to picking up DD3 after lunch after her newly shortened weekend contact. Yay!

Kaykat Sun 17-Nov-13 09:33:23

Hi Bounty I was also in an abusive marriage. My husband was also unfaithful which made the decision to divorce easier but it was the abuse that made me leave in the end. It was and is tough but I have been thankful for my freedom every day.

No decent counsellor would do joint counselling where there is abuse. By treating this as a joint problem she is supporting his abuse. This can't be solved by you changing your behaviour to accommodate his feelings. This isnt a psychological problem either, it is about his values and beliefs and the benefits he gets from treating you this way. For this reason I would ignore all that she has advised and don't let her persuade you it is your fault, it isn't.

If you are unsure what to do what about trying a trial separation? You can leave the final decision until you are ready and you might find that you can think more clearly without him constantly confusing and blaming you. I will pray for you too of course.

Kaykat Sun 17-Nov-13 09:40:37

Oh and abusive men always try to isolate us from our families. Keep them close my lovely, you need their support.

Dutchoma Sun 17-Nov-13 10:16:05

Charlotte is so right in saying "God does not make the decision for you, he's given you a brain to be able to do that for yourself".
I said:"God only speaks once", Charlotte says "Sometimes I cannot hear Him at all" and that is true as well.
I hope that what everyone has said on here has not made it even harder for you. I'm continuing in prayer for you and for all others on this board.

amberlight Sun 17-Nov-13 14:02:30

Praying also. The person who causes a divorce is the one who has the power and misuses it...power over who can see who. Power over who can be friends. Power over money. Power over jobs and responsibilities. Power over possessions and property. Where does the power lie, and how is it being used to help you to thrive? When you ask for what you need to thrive, is the answer 'yes, of course', or is it 'how dare you question me'?

Sometimes being apart is the most loving thing we can do. For ourselves, for our families, and for our partner too.

Keeping the eye situation etc in prayers also, Blessedassurance.

And keeping the Synod situation for the CofE in prayers for the next few days.

Tuo Sun 17-Nov-13 20:57:36

Time for a bit of a round-up methinks. The thread has moved quickly and I'm delighted and encouraged to see so many new (and returning) posters. Welcome all! thanks

Praying, in particular, then, for...
... Badvoc's aunt and for all in the family affected by her illness;
... weegie, giving thanks for her own better health, but praying for her stepmum and for Kat, who are both seriously unwell and for all in the family affected by their illnesses;
... PandaG's mum in hospital, her dad coping without her, and for the whole Panda family;
... sleep for Room;
... the cloutie family;
... a job for Juggling;
... NeverKnowinglyUnderstood, for her relationship with her DS and for support for them to understand his anger and frustration and find ways to avoid it if possible;
... Faith, giving thanks that both she and Faithlet are feeling better and for a renewed relationship with her church;
... Phyll, for a troubling situation which is known to God;
... MHD that she stay out of hospital this Christmas;
... PA in her work situation, and also for her family - in particular for her parents and for her DD3's pregnancy;
... zulubump following the loss of both her beloved nans in the space of a few months - may light perpetual shine upon them;
... giving thanks that Kay will soon be in her new home - may it be a place of joy and new beginnings for her and her DS;
... harbinger's mum and dad with their various health problems;
... Plodding, that the harassment she is suffering may cease;
... BES for her DS to sleep better and for BES to be less often on the receiving end of his fear and frustration; also for her mum;
... amber - joining SunshineMMum in giving thanks for amber's work and for the real gift that she has for making ASD accessible and 'real' so that we can all learn to be more open and accepting;
... SunshineMMum and her DS, praying for him and for all children with special needs, that they may live in a world that focuses not on what they find difficult but on what they bring to it;
... bounty, praying that she may see a way forward opening up before her and have the courage and conviction to step onto it, knowing that God will go with her, and that our prayers will accompany her; and giving thanks for Mome, Kay, Charlotte and others who have been there and are able to share their experiences for the good of others;
... BlessedAssurance, for a healthy pregnancy, for her exam, and for her eye problem to be resolved by the forthcoming appointment;
... Mome's niece, baby Grace;
... Tunnocks, keeping prayer going for her DH and for the whole family;
... and for newbies trish, Ruby and Sunshine.

Praying also for the people of the Philippines and for all those who are working to help them, whether on the ground or through fund-raising.

If you can spare me a prayer, please pray for wisdom. I'm at a sort of a crossroads, work-wise, and may soon have to make a decision about where I go next (or I may not... and in a way I'm hoping it's taken out of my hands...). I am drawn in different, mutually exclusive, directions and am struggling to discern what's right for me and for my family, and where God wants me to be. And even though there's no decision to be made right now, I'm finding it hard to be patient and just see what will transpire, so I'm driving myself round the bend with 'what if's at the moment.

Also (and finally) praying for my church, which has had a bit of a strange week. It has been illuminating (not necessarily in a comfortable way) to see the difference between how a church (like any institution, in fact, I suppose) can feel from the inside, and how it can look from the outside, and to understand that both the insider's and the outsider's perspectives can be partial (in both senses of the word), and therefore that there's much to be learned by seeing the other side more clearly.

Lord, in your mercy, hear our prayers.

NeverKnowinglyUnderstood Sun 17-Nov-13 21:44:06

Thank you.
Praying for strength wisdom clarity and patience for all those who need it.

Hoping you all have a good week.

amberlight Sun 17-Nov-13 22:01:44

Tuo, thank you. Prayers assured. And would be appreciated for the funeral of a friend tomorrow.

Tuo Sun 17-Nov-13 22:21:50

Praying for your friend, amber, and for all affected by her/his death.

horridestmum - I'm sorry - I left you off my list. I was trying to carry names over from several pages and lost the plot somewhat (nothing new there!), so apologies. It wasn't deliberate. [Proffers brew and cake ] Also apologies to anyone else I forgot.

PloddingDaily Sun 17-Nov-13 22:40:43

Thanks...praying for everyone else too- it's good to be able to do this, thank-you for the thread!

thehorridestmumintheworld Mon 18-Nov-13 00:27:53

Thank you Tuo for starting this lovely thread and the cake. I am saying prayers for us all and may I add a prayer request for my elderly FIL he is a lifelong methodist and used to be a lay preacher for many years, but in the last few years he has grown increasingly housebound due to his mobility problems following a nasty break to the hip which has never healed properly and now he is becoming very forgetful and confused. He has not been to church for several years now even though they do run a minibus and i have offered to take him, and because he is rather awkward and unwilling to ask for help it is hard to do things for him. But he is a very kind man and I hope God will take good care of him.

Thanks for the very helpful round up Tuo. I will be praying through while I am bored at work this morning! also praying for your FIL Horridest

Dutchoma Mon 18-Nov-13 08:23:41

Time to come clean. Things have taken a tumble in the Oma and Bob household. Literally. Bob fell down the stairs on Friday morning. Thankfully nothing was broken although of course we were both shocked. We were more or less bullied into A&E (the fall happened too early for the falls team to be available) and we spent the day there. They even admitted him to a ward but we said we would not be spending the night there: we have such terrible experiences of out local hospital.
To be fair: we were treated very well while there but still... So they put 'carers' in place and to date we have had about 15 of them traipsing through the house. In some way it has helped Bob to get washed and dressed, but on the whole I have found it very disruptive. Obviously I am very tired as well and to be honest feeling more than a bit sorry for myself.
One of the carers said when I got very upset: "At the moment you are in denial but Bob is getting worse and you just have to accept it." That is a very togh statement.
Bob himself is remarkably well, everything considered. He is sleeping more, I think. At one point I got a phone call from the carers' service asking me whether I was sure he was still breathing. Not really I said, but if he is still asleep in two hours' time I will turn the ventilator off and see whether he is still breathing then. Of course he woke up in his own good time. AIBU to be irritated by that phone call?
Sorry for the essay, I have not had the energy to write it all down until now.

I'm sorry to hear about Bob's fall Oma.
I guess it's good that carers are available to support people in their homes but seems rather unsatisfactory that you've had 15 different people.
Would be nice if you could develop a better relationship with a few wouldn't it? And then perhaps they wouldn't be so likely to come out with slightly random and un-encouraging comments?
Probably the service needs to be better resourced with better training for the carers.

Hope you have a better day today.
Have been learning and thinking a lot about mindfulness recently.
And Jesus's teaching to live one day at a time "as each day has enough troubles of it's own"
That lilies of the fields passage has always been one of my favourites.

Also liking the prayer in your post NeverKnowinglyUnderstood thanks

SunshineMMum Mon 18-Nov-13 16:15:28

Praying through for everyone x

Just a selfish request. I'm doing part of the talk tonight at the divorce course but I'm very tired, I didn't have the best day at work and I need peace in readiness and a clear head. I'm feeling quite low generally at the moment tbh. Please fire up a quick one if you see this x

((Mome)) Holding you in the light x

madhairday Mon 18-Nov-13 17:59:09

Praying through, came back from my conference on Saturday, it was great.

Praying especially for Oma and Mome tonight.


Prayers DO for you and Bob. It sounds very thoughtless what the carers are saying....have they met you both before? Do they know how long you have coped and done a marvellous job with little to no help at all?

Dutchoma Mon 18-Nov-13 19:53:25

None of them have a clue about who we are and how we have been doing. They are dealing with the here and now and going only on 'what everybody wants'. Always the same questions. We had a nurse here who used the key from the keysafe, rang the bell when she was already in the house (a friend was here as I had an optician's appointment) and proceeded to grill Bob for 25 mins before I got home. Took temp and the rest of the observations. I got home, saw that the key safe was open and the key on the cupboard in the hall, she came down and said she would deal with the key on her way out: 'just going to get my stuff from upstairs' then carried on grilling Bob while I stood waiting for her to put the key back. She was so patronising and rude, I really hope I will never see her again. Her parting shot was to enquire why Bob did not use the stair lift rather than falling downstairs, can you believe it?
On the upside I have four hours' sitting from Crossroads emergency service so I can spend at least part of the day at the hospice. This is the carers' meeting that is held twice a month and one of the few things that keeps me sane.

BlackeyedSusan Mon 18-Nov-13 21:17:10

praying oma

(ok I posted this (or tried several hours ago and the box froze do am trying again. )

BlackeyedSusan Mon 18-Nov-13 21:20:44

trouble enough for today includes a blocked toilet. (the only toilet in the flat) one girl with diarrhoea, resoting to potties, 4 potties filled with no meaans to dispose. one boy tipped wee and poo on the floor falling off the potty.

Thinking of you and yours bes x

bountyicecream Mon 18-Nov-13 23:02:05

Praying for you oma and bes

BlackeyedSusan Mon 18-Nov-13 23:09:55

thankyou. I am barely keeping my head above water at the moment.

on the plus side, though not completely fixed, water is going down a bit more in the loo.

BlessedAssurance Tue 19-Nov-13 00:26:36

, Do what a nightmare! I get tired with a few people in my house sometimes and you are saddled with 15 strangers, some of which are rude too. Praying for you and bob. May God give you the strength that you so need during this time and that bob will get better. Bes it shall be well, praying for you and the sick children. Mome sending prayers your way. Cheers for madhairdayfor having a great day at the conference.*Tuo*thank you for the lovely thread. Prayers for everyone not mentioned. Lord we pray for peace that surpasses all understanding. Give wisdom to and direction to those who need your guidance concerning different issues. Lord who better than you knows the desires of our hearts. We pray that you will answer each and every one of us in accordance with our requests. Be blessed everyone.

BlessedAssurance Tue 19-Nov-13 00:41:22

On a matter unrelated to everything going on here, I was so encouraged by my 3yr old DD. Apparently one of her kindergarten mates started to throw a tantrum when his mom came to fetch him. DD marched over to him, sat next to him on the floor and said*put on your jacket and shoes and go home. Jesus loves small children but He loves them even more when they listen to their parents*grin. The little boy stopped crying, put on his clothes and went home. When he got home he told his father about how happy Jesus was going to be because he had put on his jacket. The father wasconfused they are Muslimgrin. It was the mother's little boy who told me the whole story when we met the next day and thanking me for teaching my DD about my faith. She was so surprised that DD knew that much. I wish i could say she follows her own advice though but we know how it is with toddlerssmile.

Dutchoma Tue 19-Nov-13 07:10:03

BlessedAssurance what a lovely story. You do know, don't you that Jesus is someone known by Muslims too, don't you? Not in the same way as we 'know' Him, but nevertheless there are numerous stories of Jesus revealing Himself to Muslims.
Thank you for your prayers for us, too. We are beginning to cope a little better. We have at least four different people coming in today who are planned and goodness only knows how many unplanned. I'm off for a day of pampering at the ospice, so glad that has been made possible.

HadALittleFaith Tue 19-Nov-13 07:31:23

Praying through...

Lifting up DO - praying for consistency with carers who can understand the circumstances. I would complain about that nurse!

For BES - that the toilet will be sorted soon and DD will recover.

blessed that made me grin. I think that Muslims believe Jesus is one of the prophets (IIRC a conversation with a Muslim friend correctly).

BlackeyedSusan Tue 19-Nov-13 08:34:45

unsurpisingly, they are both off school. I did wonder whether it is food induced as dd rather ovedosed on the bean soup...

Great little story about your dd blessed and lovely too that the Mum appreciated what she'd done, and that it had helped so much

BlackeyedSusan Tue 19-Nov-13 09:20:56

prraying oma.

madhairday Tue 19-Nov-13 10:16:56

Oh poor you BES - praying for better dc and unblocked loos! Sounds horrible sad

Praying Oma - what a horrible experience sad May you know God's calming presence all around you....

Lovely story Blessed smile Muslims do hold Jesus in high regard as a prophet.

Have a sore throat and headache, so hoping something is not starting as have 1001 things to do.

GingerCurl Tue 19-Nov-13 11:52:38


BlackeyedSusan Tue 19-Nov-13 12:52:34

lo and behold my cousin has turned up at my mums with no idea that he is supposed to have stomped off. grin

my "plumbing" is gurgling. I think I have what the children have got. the loo is half unblocked and needs nursing along.

oh and I have had a mysterious phone call local and no message. annoying.

Popping by to say that I'm praying for you, precious DO.

zulubump Tue 19-Nov-13 14:29:49

You are such a lovely lot and so uplifting to read all your posts in the middle of a busy day. Praying for you all.

I have an interview for a job in a pre-school round the corner, and have done most of an application for another promising looking job today. Just need to finish that off and hand it in tomorrow. Hoping I might have a new job before Christmas. But equally trying to live each day well, one day at a time x Praying for you all as I read through thanks

octopusinastringbag Tue 19-Nov-13 20:57:47

Just popping in as one with a toe in the water. I'm an atheist but I've been reading a physics book by Marcus Chown about the universe and such like and have found myself assuming that the stuff that is physically unknown isn't due to science that we don't know but due to some other entity. I'm not sure that sits comfortably with me but I'm kind of drawn to exploring more.

BlessedAssurance Tue 19-Nov-13 20:59:32

DO,yes i do realise that the Muslims regard Jesus as a prophet,only as not the son of God.interestingly 90 percent of my workmates are muslims so we have these interesting discussions.What i find humorous is they say i would make a perfect Muslim since i do not drink and i pray often.grinThere is a chapel at my workplace so i tend to pop in there when having a bad day or just need to talk to my Lord for a fem minutes.Will be praying for everybody in there now.Thank You all DD loves to talk about Jesus,sing and dance.

BlessedAssurance Tue 19-Nov-13 21:13:05

octopuswelcome.It is human nature to sant to seek for answers and those Whois seek shall find.Explore away,and i can say from personal experience that one day i woke up,decided i wanted more out of life spiritually,went to church,began reading the bible without understanding everything,but there was too much good in it for me to ignore.it took a while for me to get it,but once i did there was no turning back,i did not want to og back.We are all here for You and Will be praying that the knocking that is going on in your heart will get loudergrin and that one day You Will be able to open the doors wide.

BlessedAssurance Tue 19-Nov-13 21:13:39

Human nature to want not sant

BlessedAssurance Tue 19-Nov-13 21:19:37

juggling all the best with the job interview tomorrow.Praying for favour and that You Will stand out amongst the others being interviewed.

Thanks blessed but actually my interview is not until the 27th - but I'll hopefully be handing in an application for another job tomorrow. Generally I'm feeling a little encouraged by the situation - so encouraging when you get an interview I think.

Dutchoma Tue 19-Nov-13 22:16:28

Welcome Octopus Thinking about your Nickname, I wonder if you feel like that: an octopus with everything poking out and not really making sense of your environment. Or am I being too fanciful? Welcome anyway and we'll gladly help you explore. Most of us think that faith and science are not mutually exclusive at all and some of us are so clever that they can argue the toss. Not me...

Tuo Tue 19-Nov-13 23:59:31

Welcome Octopus. Were you brought up with any kind of faith, or is this something completely new? I was brought up as a Christian and went to church till my late teens, and then wandered away and had a long period of agnosticism before finally coming back to faith. I felt drawn back for a long time before I was able properly to commit to it, and for a while I worked on the basis of 'Well, I have lived for 25 years or so assuming that there is no God and I'm still not sure, so what if I try assuming that there is a God instead and just see what happens?'. Well, I'm still here over 3 years after I decided to run with that working hypothesis, and I am happier and stronger than I was before. I pray that you find what you are looking for. Please do hang around and talk to us. As I said in my OP, this is a 'safe' place and a supportive one. We come from a range of Christian traditions but that's not important here - what is important is that this is a community of people who look out for one another and are mindful of each other's needs. (I also have no problem reconciling faith and science, btw, though - or perhaps because - in both cases there are things that I don't really understand.)

Praying for the plumbing (human and otherwise) in the BES household. Get well soon all of you! I heard on the radio this morning that today was the first International Day of the Toilet. Maybe your loo heard and took the day off to celebrate? Hope all's working again tomorrow.

Praying also for Juggling - wishing you luck with the job applications.

And praying, in particular, for Oma and Bob - for continuity, for a swift recovery, for tact and gentle loving care, for support, and for some peace in your lives at this time.

Lord, graciously hear us...

BlackeyedSusan Wed 20-Nov-13 00:12:11

that is what you get for leaving the radio on... toilets bogging off on holiday ...

i think it is as stroppy as me. it has been on strike and is now working to rule. i m still stuck with the problem of disposing the contents of potties.

on the plus side, I have cold, which means my nose is not working either..

octopusinastringbag Wed 20-Nov-13 06:00:45

Thanks. I do feel that in a way, you are very perceptive because I didn't realise that I did. I was brought up as an atheist, had a brief association with faith as a teen and as an adult but then rejected it after a bad experience involving the Catholic church and was very anti-religion. I don't particularly want to be religious but something is pulling me in that direction.

Dutchoma Wed 20-Nov-13 06:36:25

Churches can be such dreadful places. I think Jesus would weep over the church much as He did over Jerusalem.
But I do believe that 'our hearts are restless within us until they find rest in Thee, o Lord.' I think that's St Augustine and it is certainly true for me. When the chips are down, there is Jesus. How you find that connection is a matter of seeking, pulling out a strand of the spaghetti and seeing where it leads you, with or without the church.
As TUO* says, stick around, there are some wonderful people on this thread.

octopusinastringbag Wed 20-Nov-13 07:15:59

Thank you. I fell out with the catholic church over their views on a couple of things that I'd had personal experience of.
I'll stick around and see what happens.

Tuo Wed 20-Nov-13 07:54:33

Forgot to say... thanks to anyone who prayed about my work situation. Something happened that made the pathway that would have led to me having to make a difficult decision (for myself and for my family) no longer a feasible one. I don't feel disappointed; I feel relieved: it wasn't the right time or place for me, and I have a lot more clarity and peace of mind now.

LOL @ bess toilets taking the day off to celebrate their big day!
And "praying for the plumbing (human and otherwise)" in the bes household.
This is such a lovely thread!

Glad you have more clarity and peace about things now Tuo
- praying for that for us all x

cloutiedumpling Wed 20-Nov-13 12:49:02

Urgh. Stressing about family stuff again. Need to get off my backside though and clean the house. Please give me a kick!

BlackeyedSusan Wed 20-Nov-13 12:50:42

oh heck. i need prayer to help decide whether to change church or keep on trying to break into the groups. there is a families goup, but it is set up for couples, i can not go to the housegroup meetings as ds will not be left, we do not have babysitters, oh and as I am not in a church group and can not get out much i do not meet many people who i could ask.

I have been at this church for nearly two years and hardly know anyone to speak to. it does not help that I am away for weeks at a time looking after mum. ds does not help. I can not concentrate on conversations when tired and watching that he does not run off.

BlackeyedSusan Wed 20-Nov-13 12:53:55

i am trying to compose an email. I need to calm down though because so far i can not think much futher that "united in love" (one thing I did get to read on the screen duing the sermon.) bullshit and a bunch of hypocrits. (possibly bunch of hypocrits is unfair)5

Are you sure you want to say that bes ?
Might it be better to just think after trying to engage with them for 2 years maybe another church might do much better at meeting your needs? and making you feel welcome?

cloutiedumpling Wed 20-Nov-13 13:06:27

I'd start looking for another church, one with good kids activities so that DS could go to junior church or something similar while you get a chance to concentrate on the service. And I'd look for a church where people hang around after the service for coffee too - give you a chance to meet people. A pram praise service or something similar during the day would be good too. Is that enough of a shopping list?

GingerCurl Wed 20-Nov-13 13:16:07

Oh BES that sound rubbish. I find too that church can be so difficult to break into beyond the superficial "hello, nice to see you". Praying.

My friends lost their mother to cancer yesterday morning. It's a tricky situation as they only just reconciled with her after not seeing or speaking to her for more than 15 years as a result of their parents' divorce.

MIL is supposed to go in for exploratory surgery either Thursday or Friday this week.

Dutchoma Wed 20-Nov-13 13:44:20

If you feeel bullshit and hypocrites BES you need to be in a different fellowship. But t is going to be hard. Maybe Amber has a clue where in your vicinity there might be a church to accommodate your ds?

BlackeyedSusan Wed 20-Nov-13 17:25:46

I do not have the energy to start again. 5 dd is settled. ds will go with one of the ss teches to colou in so progress has been mde with the childen. but even so I may as well be a visitor as most things are on a superficial level. it would be wro1ng to say that no-one cares. one couple make a point of talking to me. another lady made a point of finding me after the service to see how I was. it is just tht there isno opportunity to share with people. they have family meal everymonth or so. they all know each otherr from house groups though and it can be difficult to break into the group. I feel the outsider all the flippin time.

we never really got settled in the last church as we were unable to attend housegroup. they showed lcak of concern about me when we split up. they would only agree to meet for a chat, but as I had ds it was not possible. they refused to correspond by email. exh met with them but did not tell them why I had left him at the side of the road, running away in fear of my life

I wonder whether it could be possible to find a babysitter and get to the family meal once a month, or to join a housegroup, and perhaps go twice a month to that, or even once a month to that too (or instead) ?
I really think you'd benefit so much from the break bes - I know I always do. Parenting 24/7 can be pretty relentless can't it?
And sounds like it would help you get to know people so much better too, and feel much more included in things.
Can you ask at church and see if someone could support you in this way?

BlackeyedSusan Thu 21-Nov-13 07:51:50

there is no-one. sad I have not been in house group for 5 years. all the people have scattered to different churches. no-one knows ds well enough. I have one friend who is willing to have them in the day in an emergency but she has her own three ( 2 nt, 1 asd) in the evening. neighbour has been very ill and is not capable anymore. another friend moved and we have lost touch. I spent a good part of the last 3-4 years just surviving.

we go to the family meal as a family. anything in the evening is not possible.

Dutchoma Thu 21-Nov-13 08:08:47

Praying BES

I'm sorry there is no-one. Am praying there will be someone there for you to give you a small break sometimes, even if evenings don't seem possible for now. Am glad you have a friend who can help out in an emergency during the day, at least that's something. Feel you do need more support now that some previous sources of support have been lost. That must be possible x

amberlight Thu 21-Nov-13 09:33:08

BES? No-one from the local charities who runs a babysitting circle? Sometimes they exist, even informally? Praying for an answer...and for everyone else too.

Is anyone on the prayer thread near you, BES?

zulubump Thu 21-Nov-13 21:19:39

That sounds really tough BES. Tough to be parenting without support and tough to feel an outsider at church. Does your church have a pastoral worker who could visit you at home? Or your minister even. The minister at my church came round for an evening visit once when I was struggling with a few things. Could it help to talk things over one-to-one?

Dutchoma Thu 21-Nov-13 22:17:13

BoxofDelights has been in touch by private message. She is still in much need of our prayers. She hopes that her birthday (on Tuesday) will be a turning point for her in finding a new place to live and finding proper work.

BlackeyedSusan Fri 22-Nov-13 21:16:56

I am feeling a little better. sleep will help. though when I am upset I can not sleep. vicious circle.

been praying for babies to sleep, bob and oma... .dd (1?)s depression, safe pregnancy and birth , octopus, dh and ds abroad, jobs that have been sorted... and then possibly I forgot to concentrate futher. blush

Having a rough week here. DS has poorly skin, DD2 has a UTI, I've had a bad cold and quite a low mood. DH has his first assessed preach on Sunday so I'm feeling like we're under attack. Sleep will definitely help, I'm with you on that one, BES.

BlackeyedSusan Fri 22-Nov-13 22:02:00

tell him to check his spellings carefully, i nearly got the giggles mid sermon class, as I had written "elf important" instead of self important.


Dutchoma Fri 22-Nov-13 22:42:13

BES you were in sermon class?

BlackeyedSusan Fri 22-Nov-13 23:37:28

yes! on a theology course. i do not ever wish to have to deliver a sermon ever again. I went for the theology bit not the sermon bit.

PandaG Sat 23-Nov-13 17:47:14

praying for sleep and health for all.

DO, have you had any more consistency with carers?

love to all. x

Dutchoma Sat 23-Nov-13 19:16:39

No, but the Mac nurse called their office and left a message. Seen hide nor hair of them since and feel much happier. Back in the care of the district nurses. Not seen much of them recently but they say they will call this week.

BlackeyedSusan Sat 23-Nov-13 23:18:42

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bountyicecream Sat 23-Nov-13 23:26:05

Hello everyone. Please pray for me. We have had a bad evening but I think it's maybe what I need to see that h is not going to change, and probably doesn't want to or even think he needs to. Specifically please pray for my meeting with the solicitor next week, that it will make things seem possible to me. X

Praying for everyone else too

BlackeyedSusan Sun 24-Nov-13 00:00:25

will do

Tuo Sun 24-Nov-13 00:09:49

Praying bounty - I'm sorry you've had a bad evening, and I hope that you are safe. However, yes, sometimes you need to be confronted face-to-face as it were with the reality of the situation in order to take that next step. Praying for your meeting with the solicitor too - for the way forward to be opened up to you, and for you to find the (internal and external) resources you need in order to move forward and find happiness.

Praying for work and for a home for BoxOfDelights.

Also praying for Room and family - for health and rest, and for a really good sermon.

Praying, too, for BES to feel more supported by her church family, and for Oma to find the support she needs without a gazillion people traipsing through her home and causing havoc. Praying for a swift recovery for Bob, too, and for all who are unwell at the moment (including Badvoc's auntie, weegie's stepmum and Kat, and any others known to us). Praying that octopus will stick around and find what she's looking for. And praying for all of us, with all our different needs tonight.

BlackeyedSusan Sun 24-Nov-13 09:59:08

going to attempt church gain tday, may start skinng fo reasonable adjustments. sad that it should come tothis,

BlackeyedSusan Sun 24-Nov-13 13:44:05

asking typing round ds

madhairday Sun 24-Nov-13 14:41:40

Praying for you re the church situation, BES...is there any way any home groups could meet at your home at all?

Welcome Octopus, feel free to discuss any thoughts and feelings on your journey with us. smile

Have prayed as I have read through, and sending love and strength to all today.

PandaG Sun 24-Nov-13 15:01:28

echoing Tuo and MHD's prayers. x

Could I ask for prayers for DS's skin? He saw the doctor earlier in the week as he's had many patches of dry skin getting worse (increasingly red) for about 3 weeks. He was prescribed some emollient cream which is stopping his skin from getting worse but tonight his trunk is covered in a rash that I'm fairly certain is urticaria. It's quite bad and I'm worried that he's allergic to something. I've seen my fair share of rashes over four years as an HCA in dermatology and I'm not impressed with the GP so far. We'll have to go back tomorrow.

amberlight Sun 24-Nov-13 21:21:09

praying through

Dutchoma Sun 24-Nov-13 21:24:31

Praying Room

Oh great, DD2 says her wee hurts again. I have a new cold with sore throat (as does DD3 and DH) and we have two extras coming for the morning as it's INSET day...

Dutchoma Mon 25-Nov-13 09:11:17

Room praying for grace and strength.

madhairday Mon 25-Nov-13 11:42:26

Praying, Room.

I' not at all well, scared that this will go like the previous 2 Decembers. Please pray sad

BlackeyedSusan Mon 25-Nov-13 13:07:50

ds has no bed. or is that dd has no bed? possibly they have a bed each and one to spare but two are in pieces and one is covered in lots of stuff off the floor.

I am supposed to be going ot the tip. I stopped to see if I could get some more stuff for the load... thinking of the old mattress.... oops!

Dutchoma Mon 25-Nov-13 13:08:17

Praying for you MHD as well as for Room and for everybody else in need.

niminypiminy Mon 25-Nov-13 13:28:33

Praying for all those whose needs are known to us, and all those whose needs are known only to themselves and to God.

Thanks niminy, what a lovely, thoughtful prayer x

SunshineMMum Mon 25-Nov-13 18:09:54

Praying, particularly for healing and safety for all.

Dutchoma Mon 25-Nov-13 19:27:47

Welcome SunshineMmum. Welcome if you are new and welcome if you are a returner with a different nickname.

Kaykat Mon 25-Nov-13 21:52:55

It's official now I am moving into my new house in December. H still being awkward about the divorce. I keep praying that I will be free from him one day, legally free that is, I am already physically free and jolly happy about that and having a new home will make me a lot happier too.

Praying for health and strength for those in need of it the evening.

BlackeyedSusan Mon 25-Nov-13 22:05:37

well, the children aare really late to bed. ds especially, BUT they are both in their new beds. well, ds is supposed to be in his bed... I have dismantled one bed and put together another one.

Dutchoma Mon 25-Nov-13 22:32:27

Well done BES

Hello ladies

BES I'm not part of a home group either. I feel very isolated at times, despite being part of a massive church but they do keep promising that they'll let me know when they find a group willing to have it at mine hmm Thankfully the kids work is good on Sundays and the kids are happy in there. So I sort of understand and am praying for you. I know I'm lucky in that respect.

Just started dating a lovely chap. It's early days. Tonight is our 5th meet up. He seems really nice, he's Catholic and truthfully I know so little about that side of the Christian faith. I'm born and bred C of E and I'm not a Theologian but he seems fairly liberal but I do think my Church would freak him out wink Anyway please pray for wisdom here, I feel like a teenager, he's very lovely tbh and I'm enjoying every minute. Times like this I'm glad ExH left me but it was 4 years ago now and I'm in a good place. But I don't want to be swept along, I want perspective on whether we're a good match. We do seem to have a lot in common. But I'm already falling for him blush

Ooh, how nice Mome smile - he seems like a good 'un?

SunshineMMum Tue 26-Nov-13 11:11:24

Thank you DutchOma, I am a regular, but not on the prayer thread.

I'd love prayer for direction. We left our Church in August of 2012, after a year of unhappiness and prayer. At first we were just sad and worn out and were content to have dedicated prayer and study at a tiny weekly home group here. This has been our bedrock.

The problem is that my boys DS who has autism and DH who has probable Aspergers, need very different things in terms of worship. I love led quiet days, stillness and prayer, but I am wondering if it would be selfish to visit a Quaker group, whilst they try a Church nearby.

Dutchoma Tue 26-Nov-13 11:26:04

Why would it be selfish to try and accommodate your very different needs? Would your husband feel bereft if you didn't come with them? Yor son? Even so, it is not selfish to meet your own needs from time to time. You are people too!

SunshineMMum Tue 26-Nov-13 11:34:53

I don't think DH would though perhaps DS would a little at first. He has been asking why we don't go to Church anymore. We both got very involved very quickly and I was serving in some capacity most days. At first it was lovely, but DH had a kind of break down almost at the same time that we had the late diagnosis of Autism for DS. It became overwhelming and I found myself shaking with anxiety as soon as we walked into the coffee room each Sunday. This was also a flash point for DS and I felt torn between controlling him and dealing with lots of other requests.

We did try another Church, but I quickly felt equally overwhelmed.

I think you are right Dutch Oma, I think we are ready to try again in the New Year. My sister and her husband are Quakers and so I know a little about their ethos.

I also meant to thank you all for your prayers around children with Autism and transitions. DS has been chosen for the Achievement for all project, which gives extra support for children who are at a disadvantage. Thanks be to God, this seems like a answer to many prayers.

SunshineMMum Tue 26-Nov-13 11:36:15

Great news Kaycat smile

madhairday Tue 26-Nov-13 12:44:20

Hello Sunshine. I'm sorry to hear of the tough time you've been having. Praying you will find a way that provides all your needs as a family and as individuals. We're all made differently and different forms of worship appeal to us, and that's a good thing too, but it does sometimes mean one church doesn't suit all the members of one family, so sometimes a bit of mixing and matching is in order smile

Kaykat that's good news, praying for a smooth road ahead.

Mome he sounds lovely, really pleased for you, praying for wisdom and guidance and good times! smile

Thanks for prayers yesterday. I actaully already feel a little better which is good as I have to do a visit in a bit, yesterday was a write off and all I could think what what if I'm in hospital at christmas time yet again....haven't put up christmas decorations or been to a christmas service for 2 years, so desperate to do it all this year (and organising one service so I'd better be there!!!)

Praying for you all. DO, how is it with Bob and the carers situation now?

madhairday Tue 26-Nov-13 12:45:58

How are dd2 and ds today Room ?

I'm not entirely sure what to say about DD2 - I think I'll have to see how she goes for a few days. DS's urticaria was much improved after one night but then it came back. He has a day off of pre-school tomorrow so it will be good to see if he scratches all day or not. His plaques of eczema are much improved. I'm really struggling with DD3's sleep being on a downward curve (again!) and feeling pretty low myself. DH is currently having feedback on his assessed preach...

Oh, and I'm glad you are a bit better today, MHD. I was worried about you and I so want you to be home and well throughout December.

Dutchoma Tue 26-Nov-13 14:24:55

Our Mac nurse came on Thursday and called the carers off. Not seen hide nor hair of them since. It was good of them to come but just a bit overwhelming. Bob is at the hospice today for his social day and our cleaners have just left, so there is a beautiful clean smell in the house.
Glad you are feeling a bit better MHD, praying that you will manage to stay out of hospital this Christmas

I have interviews for two promising looking jobs in local pre-schools (so good hours for balance with family, and rewarding work I feel) tomorrow and Friday. Would be lovely to know someone was thinking of me thanks

Am thinking of all of you as I read through, and at my Meeting on Sunday morning.

Juggling definitely thinking of you and praying for the job interviews

DO I am pleased to hear that the “mob” have taken a step back. Prayers for a good day for you, I hope you are having some “me” time while Bob is not in the house.

Room prayers for your DDs and for you to have the energy to cope with lack of sleep – and for the feedback to go well.

MHD continuing to pray that you will enjoy a Christmas at home this year and feeling well, too.

Kaykat – really pleased to see that things are working out better for you now.

Mome – exciting news.

BES praying that you have a good day

Things are ticking along ok here….a few hiccups with various family members, but generally ok. (DD1 – finances, DS – anxiety)
Yesterday I spent some time with a good friend and we had a very good “God” conversation. She is a very deep thinking and is going through the stage of trying to work God out. hmm I felt very privileged to be there for her and I would ask that you pray for her to have a touch from God into her situation.

BlackeyedSusan Wed 27-Nov-13 10:58:35

so far so good.

mum has taken a turn for the worse again. my cousin has taken her to the gp. he is certainly earning his keep!

praying for interviews!

mome, [eyeroll] me thinks you are getting off-fobbed by churrch bout home groups. hmm

madhair, keeping on praying for a christmas at home.

CharlotteCollinsinherownplace Wed 27-Nov-13 11:41:45

Glad things are sounding better at home, DO. I've only just caught up with your news. Love and thanks to you.

Yay for Kay's news: that sounds very positive.

Praying for Juggling's interviews, mhd's Christmas, Sunshine's decisions, bes's mum, PA's friend, Room's sleep and keeping bounty in prayer this week, too.

Sorry I've not posted for a while but have been thinking of and praying for you all as best I can smile

juggling good luck for the interviews flowers

Dutchoma I don't know your history but I hope Bob enjoys his day at the hospice and pleased that your nurse has sorted the carers out!

MHD everything crossed that you'll stay well for Christmas

BES I hope your mum feels better soon, good that your cousin is able to help as it sounds like you have so much on your plate already

Thinking of you all x

Thanks for all the prayers. I thought you might like too know that DH's feedback on his sermon seems fair and accurate. Right, time to wash the car with a little help from DS grin

PandaG Thu 28-Nov-13 07:53:20

liffting you all up in prayer. smile

had a lovely chat with my mum on the phone last night, she is still in hospital, regaining strength, waiting to be well enough for whatever treatment is decided for her. The least invasive would be a permanent chest drain, don't know what any of the other options are - her consultant didn't say, and Mum didn't ask!

cloutiedumpling Thu 28-Nov-13 10:15:03

Lurking and praying, praying and lurking

Lurking and praying here too!

BlackeyedSusan Thu 28-Nov-13 11:53:48

can i say a big thank god that we got to school on time as ds turned the alarm off and I did not wake until 8.

revivingshower Thu 28-Nov-13 13:59:31

Please send urgent prayers for my back it has totally gone, I am stuck in bed. Please pray I can get better soon and be brave! Also could you pray my dh and dd will be helpful and understanding to my condition.

Praying for your back, revivingshower. When I pray for you, I get the feeling that there is tension in your life that is a bigger issue than your back. Maybe I'm wrong, but I'm praying that you can find a way to 'open the floodgates' and release any tension.

BES I regularly marvel at how God gets us to school on time!

madhairday Thu 28-Nov-13 15:06:40

Praying for your back, reviving, and echoing Room's prayer and thoughts.

Panda, praying for your mum. How does a permanent chest drain work? I've had chest drains but couldn't see how it could be permanent, would be interested to hear how that works. Praying they will find the best solution.

Keeping you all in my ongoing prayers...

I've never come across a permanent chest drain even in a previous life when I worked on the specialist respiratory ward (before having so many children!). I wonder if it is done any differently to normal? Praying anyway, panda

SunshineMMum Thu 28-Nov-13 16:12:40

Praying for you all. At home group we are studying Max Lucardo's Grace. Thought of you all as we looked at God's amazing and sustaining grace yesterday. This prayer thread is amazing.

PandaG Thu 28-Nov-13 22:13:36

thanks for prayers - and adding my own for bad backs, and being so thankful for his grace.

I was surprised when mum said a permanent drain - was the consultant who told her this, but I don't know much more than that. He said it would be invisible under clothes, and would only be a small bag. Will let you all know when I learn more! She had a drain in after her carcinoid surgery, bjut that was only for a couple of weeks or so...

BlackeyedSusan Fri 29-Nov-13 14:32:01

I am off to my mums this weekend. she is a little better.

revivingshower Fri 29-Nov-13 15:21:51

Thanks for your prayers I am still struggling with the back pain and worry. Dh and dd have been very good to me so that is a blessing.

Thanks to those who've been thinking of me this week, your company and prayers through the week have been much appreciated.
Interviews all over for now and have safely reached the weekend. Now just waiting to hear but I find that comparatively straight-forward - I worry more when there's something I could be doing differently IYKWIM smile
Would be lovely to have a new job for Christmas/ New Year though

Thinking/praying for all of you too x

Kaykat Sat 30-Nov-13 08:15:51

I have been totally overwhelmed by the number of people who have given and offered me furniture and other household things, all nice stuff and some of it brand new. I now have enough to get by with rather minimal living and will keep an eye out for more things once I have moved in.

DS continues to be challenging, fighting against my boundaries and sometimes says spiteful and cruel things when he can't get his own way. H lavishes expensive gifts on him whilst acting totally indignant about any financial support for us.

I have a couple of meetings coming up to discuss the divorce. I need to be able to judge whether the things H says are genuine or delaying tricks, that's difficult as he is a talented manipulator.

Thanks for your prayers. I am praying especially for healing for reviving, MHD, BES's mum, Panda's mum, Room's DCs and Bob. Hope I haven't missed anyone. And Mome wink

Tuo Sat 30-Nov-13 08:16:29

Praying for everyone affected by the helicopter crash in Glasgow, as I listen to the news this morning.

Also for all on this thread - for our needs to be met, our fears calmed, our pain relieved, for ourselves and those known to us.

Badvoc Sat 30-Nov-13 08:19:31

Dear all
Sorry I haven't been around for a while but I have been in and out of hospital sad
I have had a bad attack of gallstones and after nearly 2 weeks of constant pain my op is this afternoon!
Please pray for me, my family and that I get well after a very difficult couple of weeks.
Thank you x

Dutchoma Sat 30-Nov-13 10:00:34

Oh Badvoc, dearie me. Certainly prayers coming your way as well as for everybody else.
Please encourage Bounty by your prayers.

Thinking of you today Badvoc thanks

revivingshower Sat 30-Nov-13 11:30:42

Praying for you badvoc my mum had gallbladder removed years ago and it went well but any op can be difficult so prayers for it all to go well and you to be strengthened by the Lord to get through it all.

I hope you will all continue to pray for me with this back problem it is still very painful and although I have managed to stand up a few times and walk still can't move around properly, my biggest prayer is to be able to use the toilet normally without too much pain. How I have taken such things for granted! I shall always try to remember to be grateful for the simple ability to move round without pain once I am with Gods help a bit better.

CharlotteCollinsinherownplace Sat 30-Nov-13 19:33:36

Too late for the op, but prayers for a good recovery, Badvoc.

Hope you've seen the GP, shower?

amberlight Sat 30-Nov-13 20:44:51

praying through.
Prayers would be appreciated too.

Praying through. Any news on Badvoc?

Praying for everyone. And Happy Advent to all smile

Kaykat Sun 01-Dec-13 09:52:41

Thank you for your prayers they are being answered things are working out for me.

MHD when I prayed for you to stay out of hospital for Christmas I had a strong feeling that wasn't good enough so am praying instead for you to stay out of hospital for the whole winter.

madhairday Sun 01-Dec-13 10:49:12

Kaykat thankyou so much for that thanks - and praying for you, especially for ds at this time.

Praying for Badvoc and Amber this morning.

An advent prayer

Blessed are you, Sovereign God of all,
to you be praise and glory for ever.
In your tender compassion
the dawn from on high is breaking upon us
to dispel the lingering shadows of night.
As we look for your coming among us this day,
open our eyes to behold your presence
and strengthen our hands to do your will,
that the world may rejoice and give you praise.
Blessed be God, Father, Son and Holy Spirit.


Another date tonight but I'm currently having cold feet and feeling unsure despite the fact he's lovely. I suspect my bad marriage and various hang ups have a lot to answer for. Ahhhh well. The perils of dating eh? wink

Katkat that sounds promising.

I'm lurking and praying. I should be at Church, I had one of those mornings where I just wanted to stay at home in the quiet blush. I'm tired. I shouldn't have really! That's the time you SHOULD go smile

Badvoc Sun 01-Dec-13 12:09:44

Hello all
I am home.
Feeling a bit battered and tired but that's to be expected.
Surgeon said it wasn't as bad as he initially thought.
I have clips in which was a surprise so I have to get them taken out this week at some point.
Many he ask for your prayers and kind thoughts.
Please keep my aunt in your prayers too...she has been given 2 months sad

SunshineMMum Sun 01-Dec-13 17:11:28

I love the advent prayer MHD. prayers for healing Badvoc, I hope that you are on the road to recovery. Prayers too for those with close relatives are so unwell, I pray for God to strengthen and support you during the coming days.

I so loved Juggling's thread about a simple Christmas, it has really stayed with me and so I pray for some peace, space and light over the coming advent period. Life can be very frantic at this time, but I have started to fee a shift this year.

Tuo Sun 01-Dec-13 22:17:09

Once again, I've been really busy and have been lurking and praying but not posting. Have had a really busy weekend, too, but a good one, with lots of positive things. Among them, I was formally admitted as a server today in a service that was surprisingly moving. I pray that the service that I can offer, however insignificant, may be acceptable to God and, more immediately, practically helpful to the clergy I help to support.

Praying tonight for all on this thread, as we enter this period of expectation and hope, but in particular for:
bounty: may you have clarity in your own mind and support from others, and may you be kept safe;
MHD: may you stay well this winter and out of hospital;
Room: for health across the whole family and for enough sleep;
Kay: thanking God for your new home, and praying for XH to behave honourably towards you for once; praying for your DS, that he may come to understand the truth of your situation, and that he may know how much you love him and want to do what's right for him;
SunshineMMum: may you find a church solution that works for you and your family (even if that does mean two different places)
Mome: may you have a lovely time with your new man, and may the relationship bring you fun and happiness (whatever the longer-term outcomes);
PA: praying for your DS's anxiety, for your DD1's finances, for your DD3's pregnancy, for your God-seeking friend, and for you in all you do;
Oma: for health and peace (as in '... of mind' and as in '... and quiet') for you and Bob;
BES: for you in all you do, and for your mum; praying your weekend went well and that you're not too exhausted now;
Juggling: for your work situation;
PandaG: for your mum's health;
revivingshower: for your back to feel better and for you to be supported well by your family;
Badvoc: for a swift recovery from your operation, and for your auntie - may she, and all who love her, find strength and be surrounded by love;
amber: holding you in prayer;
and also thinking of Charlotte, BoxOfDelights, Blue, Cloutie, weegiemum, octopus, and anyone I've forgotten.

Praying for all visitors to this thread, whether they post or not, and for all those known to us who need our prayers. Please can I ask, in particular, for your prayers for T who is having a big scary operation tomorrow?

Maranatha! Come, Lord Jesus!

BlackeyedSusan Sun 01-Dec-13 22:31:32

thankyou. tuo.

we did a lot on saturday. took the children to see a certain elderly gentleman, popped into the garden centre to get some raspberry canes (which I promptly forgot to plant. )

and took the children to the park at sunset.

on sunday I did a mega shop. we now have two turkeys. (one in each city) (one will do til easter) and most of the supplies for christmas.

my brain is bouncing around like a pin ball due to the caffeine required to keep me alert driving.

Loving your Advent prayer tonight mhd
Wishing everyone a happy and peaceful advent thanks

- My two were unreasonably excited about their advent calenders this morning considering they're teenagers - a little chocolate for breakfast goes a long way!
..... And in between pinching and punching each other for the first of the month - another strong family tradition here smile

Thanks for your appreciation of my "simple Christmas" thread Sunshine - hope it was helpful to some

Many thanks for your prayers for me, work situation looking a bit more promising which has been encouraging - still waiting to hear, but (being fussy now!) please pray for this in the wider context of peace in our family, and also taking one day at a time - which is something I'm really learning at the moment. I'm hearing about mindfulness from so many different sources and directions ATM smile
You know what it's like when you feel someone is trying to tell you something!!

BlackeyedSusan Sun 01-Dec-13 23:26:38

the caffeine is beginning to wear off.

please pray for the adhesiveness of several pieces of duct tape, that are now holding up mums curtain rail after ds grabbed at the curtains and snapped all but 2 of the plastic supports. it will be a two week bodge job, hopefull.ly, I can source some new rails/replacement rails for her.

BlackeyedSusan Sun 01-Dec-13 23:28:02


BlackeyedSusan Mon 02-Dec-13 07:35:04

oh dear. it as a distubed night. ds seems to have er che. (pulling on his ear and crying a lot. confirmed when asked.) aanother trip to the dr. going to insist on the dr this time, as I want someone who maay be ble to tke into ccount the spd and autism dimension to finding out how ill he is. he has not been talking to me much since he went back to school. I get noises and preverbal talk mostly.

FaithTheVampireSlayer Mon 02-Dec-13 09:06:55

Morning all. I seem to have dropped off (dropping off threads seems to happen more quickly these days but perhaps it's just that I'm busier?!).

Praying through. Lifting up friends and family of those killed and injured in the Glasgow helicopter crash, the New York train crash (which seems to have taken a back seat on the news) and Paul Walker and his friend.

Closer to home, praying for you Badvoc as you recover from surgery, to be free of infection and for any pain to ease quickly.

Praying for bes, for your Mum's recovery and that the curtain track holds! Also for your family unit in the run up to Christmas.

For mhd's health - Lord we declare no hospitalisation for her this winter! I love that prayer fsmile

For kay settling in to your new home, for the issues with DS and XH - praying for the meetings coming up, for wisdom and discernment between manipulation and truth.

For DO, that Bob's respite goes well and he has a positive experience and that you feel rested and revitalised by the end of the respite.

Everyone else on this thread, sorry I'm on my phone so struggle to name check....That during this advent period we remember the true meaning of Christmas and know Jesus' love for us.

I'd appreciate prayer - I have been exercising (the shred!) and getting on well, feeling motivated but I jarred my knee last weekend when I tripped over and haven't felt happy exercising on it. I thought it had nearly healed and then today I bashed it on the corner of the bed! So just for healing and protection against further injury would be great thanks smile

Prayers for DS please who is in need of his inhaler for the first time in a while. It may be the most wonderful time of the year but it has it's challenges.

madhairday Mon 02-Dec-13 13:38:19

Prayers for DS now, Room, poor love.

Praying for BES' curtain solution!

Praying for Faith, for healing and no further injury.

Praying for DO and Bob.

Thanks TUO for your summary, it really helps me pray smile The service sounds so lovely and I know God delights in your service to him.

We had such a good gathering yesterday afternoon - really feels like things are finally taking off here now. I'm grateful. And I am so grateful to you all for your prayers 'against hospitalisation' - I really feel that these are so important. I keep getting poorly to a certain point and then it's like something stops me and pulls me back again when usually I would be continuing to deteriorate. Tentatively hoping....if I can hang on til the weekend I'll get to put up my first Christmas tree since 2010 smile

Kaykat Mon 02-Dec-13 19:50:41

Keep battling it in prayer MHD and we will keep battling with you.

BlackeyedSusan Mon 02-Dec-13 22:06:16

still praying mhd.

SESthebrave Mon 02-Dec-13 22:47:09

Just popping by for the first time in months.
Thank you TUO for your summary which helped me to think/pray for each of you as I read through.

All good here. I go through days if struggling to juggle a practically f/t job, DS in reception and DD at nursery, of feeling like I just can't get everything done.
Somehow it does all happen though and I know I should be more thankful for what I have.

Tuo Tue 03-Dec-13 01:06:02

Adding strong anti-hospitalisation prayers for MHD. It would be so wonderful for you to be at home this year for the tree and the decorations and the carol services and the day itself! The service on Sunday was really lovely - it was part of the 'traditional' (BCP) service, and with it being Advent 1 we started with a solemn (sung) litany in procession, with all the servers (about 20) in procession with the choir. I do like the more informal service that I normally go to, but this did feel special. (We also took communion at the High Altar, which I like a lot.)

Welcome back Faith and SES... adding prayers for both of you.

And BES I found myself humming 'Will your curtains hold in the storms of life?', which made me grin but is also a genuine prayer...

Dutchoma Tue 03-Dec-13 06:58:34

Oh TUO grin abot your comment about BES' mother's curtains.
I'm off to London for the day, with a Crossroads carer looking after Bob.

BlackeyedSusan Tue 03-Dec-13 08:15:16


BlackeyedSusan Tue 03-Dec-13 08:16:00

have a good day oma. smile

madhairday Tue 03-Dec-13 09:16:23

Have a lovely day DO fsmile

lol @we have a curtain grin

Nice to see you SES, was wondering how you are. You sound v busy!

TUO the service sounds special. I'm not one for BCP but I do see the beauty and solemnity of it and it can be incredibly moving. So pleased for you.

Thanks for all your prayers. I am keeping standing. Breathing is hurting today. It hurts to breathe in and more to breathe out. Just feels a struggle, but I know God is with me. Off out for coffee with a friend to take my mind off it...

mhd Thinking of you

- can't help thinking now we're into advent can you put your tree up now, or do you think it will be something to do together at the weekend when can perhaps give it more time?
Really hope you get to do that this year, and be at home for Christmas too.

Hope you have a good day in London Oma

bes praying for curtains and more

SES good to see you again. Juggling? tell me about it!

Love to all x

GingerCurl Tue 03-Dec-13 10:50:24

Have been lurking on this thread for quite a while not having much to add.
Finally, I received confirmation from the industrial sponsor that my thesis can be made public which means that after months of being kept in limbo, I can finally submit it for examination. Praise God!

Praying for everyone.

revivingshower Tue 03-Dec-13 11:47:18

That's wonderful ginger
Prayed for everyone earlier.
Thankyou for your prayers for my back I am making a slow recovery but still struggling to walk or stand for more than a few minutes. Dh and dd have been great though I know it is hard for them both so please pray we all get through this difficult time ok.

madhairday Tue 03-Dec-13 13:52:58

Glad you are recovering reviving, continued prayers.

ginger yay, that's good news, and great to see you. fsmile

Juggling yes could put it up now but just so super busy through the week, so we're going to try for Friday between home time and the Christmas fair at school, which may be manic but would like it up this weekend and saturday/sunday just too full up.

Is it Christmas name change time?

Where is MaryBS ? Missing you on here...

BlessedAssurance Tue 03-Dec-13 17:24:14

Hello everyone.Good to be back after a short break filled with studying and preparing for my last exam. By God's grace i managed to sit through two 5hr exams with a few days between them. Good news Ginger and prayers for everyone. Don't have much to add tonight as my mind is still recovering from one of those five hr exams. Need also to testify to the goodness of Our Lord in my life. I was offered some baby clothes by a woman whose children i look after at my workplace(i work part time in a daycare).I went to fetch the clothes carrying my tiny backpack because i thought it would be a few things.

When i arrived,my colleague called me into the playroom and told me that i was in for a shock. I was. This lovely woman had bags,about nine of them,bursting with baby clothes not only used but new as well. The used ones are in such great shape that there was not a single body i had to throw awaygrin. I have all i need from age 0-18months and i only had girl clothes from DD. Had not bought a thing.This wonderful woman has saved and given us clothes worth a fortune.

Thank you Lord Jesus for meeting my need.

Praying for all those who are not well and in need.

CharlotteCollinsinherownplace Tue 03-Dec-13 21:00:34

That's fantastic, BA! God's abundant love shown through that lovely colleague.

Hope you had a great day, DO.

Great to hear your news, Ginger. That does seem to have taken a long time coming; it must feel good.

Kaykat Tue 03-Dec-13 21:45:04

How are things with you Charlotte?

I too am thanking The Lord Jesus for meeting my need. I have kitted out an entire house purely with donated items and the offers and gifts just keep on coming.

FaithTheVampireSlayer Tue 03-Dec-13 22:07:42

Wow we're really seeing God's generosity in here! Wonderful news for you kaykat and BA! smile

DO I hope you had a lovely day.

ginger that's a great answer to long awaited prayer.

Prayer for protection would be great - tonight I shook Faithlet's bottle but forgot the sealing ring so I now have a scalded hand!

Thanking God tonight for saving us from our house fire 2 years ago. Without smoke detectors we wouldn't be here. Instead we have been blessed with Faithlet and a radical change in circumstances grin

BlackeyedSusan Tue 03-Dec-13 22:56:37

oh dear. we teetered on the very brink of melt down after school. he rn off the full length of the field... twice. he howled in the car park, while I hugged and rocked. it was not safe to put him in the car with dd until he had calmed down a bit. by the time we had hugged on the stairs and he had filled up on three slices of toast and a hot cross bun and played with dd calm had been restored.

they have both howled at bed time. dd has only just finished enough of her homework to meet the minimum thnks to a lst minute chanage of plan for hte eekend due to schools complete inability to communicate things with reasonable notice.

BlackeyedSusan Tue 03-Dec-13 23:07:52

ds wants heaven to be soft play. what are his chances do you think?


GingerCurl Tue 03-Dec-13 23:23:05

I'm sure God has a special soft play bit of heaven for your DS, BES.

revivingshower Wed 04-Dec-13 00:30:25

I read in a book that when asked what heaven is like a minister replied it will be like a church service that goes on forever! And quite a few people were not that keen. But I think heaven will be like our present world but without the bad bits. And there will be dogs there. In fact I think the reason dogs live such short lives is because god likes them so much he can only spare them for a short while before needing them back.

Tuo Wed 04-Dec-13 00:41:14

I like that thought about dogs, reviving! I don't know what I think heaven will be like, but I hope my dogs are all there.

Lots to be thankful for today... for Ginger's thesis, for Kay's new home, for the generosity of BA's colleague, for saving Faith and Mr Faith from the fire and giving them Faithlet, and for Oma's day out.

Also continuing to pray for good health and the ability to breathe more easily for MHD, for a calmer day tomorrow for BES's DS, for continued recovery for reviving's back.

Oh so tired here!

DD is struggling at the mo in school. I suspect not seeing her Dad much isn't helping. Prayers for her as she's very tearful would be lovely.

Still dating this chap. Taking it slow and playing cool but really I'd have him round every night if I could. Instead I'm seeing him twice a week and not contacting him much inbetween but I'm chuffed I've found a nice chap on match.com.
One step at a time.

Lovely reading all the good news on here.

Dutchoma Wed 04-Dec-13 08:26:54

I had a lovely day out yesterday. I was a bit thrown by the fact that London Midland won't let you travel on an off peak ticket between 16.15 and 19.15 (there is a big difference between off peak and full price £20.95 to £39.50). 16.15 would be too early, 19.15 too late, so I arranged with my daughter and the children to pick me up and we had dinner at Pizza Express who do lovely food. I made it home with 20 minutes to spare, didn't lose any glass slippers. Mark, who looked after Bob said they had a wonderful day. He left after having prayed with Bob.
Unfortunately Bob is still quite miserable, his foot is very sore and he has not slept very well. He said Mark had looked after him fine but...
It is so very sad.

I have just had a good read through, catch up and prayer catch up with you all.

DO so pleased that you had a lovely day. Sorry Bob wasn't so pleased with his day! Sometimes you do need to put yourself first, though and then you have more energy for the rest of the time.

Joining in with the "Keep MHD well for winter" prayers.

DD1 is arriving home today and staying for a month. Please pray that we can all get on well and peace will reign in this house.

I am also getting a little concerned about DD3 - her blood pressure has risen a bit.....first sign of what happened to me. I ma trying not to let her know how worried I am for her and her baby. (Pre-eclampsia in my first pregnancy resulting in our first daughter dying at 8 days old and me being in intensive care for a week) She is now nearly 30 weeks, though, so that is good.

tuo thanks for your brilliant round-ups - it really helps to keep a track of everyone and pray through effectively.

BlackeyedSusan Wed 04-Dec-13 12:41:33

prayed quite a lot for you last night mhd.

BlackeyedSusan Wed 04-Dec-13 14:26:19

i have a dr's appointment for dd... after school. there could be trrouble ahead... in the melt down variety.

Didn't get one of the jobs, so feeling a bit sad about that. Person was quite encouraging though, and said I should try again if something else with them comes up. And the real silver lining is that DH managed to be really sympathetic, empathetic, and nice about it when I just called him - so that is a real bonus. My first job is looking after this lot ATM smile But, with the right job I think I could contribute positively to a working role too - especially supporting other children and families.
Waiting to hear from other job application, but it's been a while now, sent them an email today to ask for feedback.
Thank God (really) we have one income coming in.
Lots to be thankful for.
Perspective needed!
Love and prayers for all x
- Oh, and please pray for the Parents prayer group at my DCs school which I'm co-leading with friends next week.

BlessedAssurance Wed 04-Dec-13 17:49:59

juggling you will find a job and when you do,it will be the one that God has for you and you will be wonderful at it. All the best for future interviews and i do understand that not getting a job after having been called for an interview is a bummer.Also praying for your prayergroup.
Beshoping that all will go well and that your DD will be fine inspite of the meltdowngrin.
DO nice to hear you had a lovely day, it is so sad though to hear that Bob is not feeling well. Prayers your way for Bob.
PAlets make it a declaration that all shall be well in your home and that it will be great for you and your DD to be together enjoying each other's company.
Mome so lovely for you that you found a nice chap on the net, please forgive me if i am being out of line but do be careful as well. Keep your spiritual eyes open during this dating period. Quite exciting stuff and that feeling of being wanted and appreaciated is lovely.Have a great dating time and behave...grin words from my DM when i was dating..
Kaykat that is fantastic, imagine that!!Our God truely supplies all our needs. What i find humbling though is DH and myself although not rich, we are not poor either and we would have managed fine. However God chose someone to bless us regardless.I am still smiling looking at my piles of clothing.grin.
MHD thinking of you. How are you feeling?Hoping for some relief for you.
Reviving DD 3yrs said heaven is beautiful, that there is lots of music and dancing because everyone is happy there. I asked her why they are happy and she said because that is just the way it is mummygrin.
Gingeri am so envyat you, in a good way.What great news!!! Congratulations and praise God that things are moving forward.
Finally prayers for everyone i have not mentioned needing prayers.
Tuo praying for you as well, just because grin.. God bless you.

BlackeyedSusan Wed 04-Dec-13 18:06:23

<head in hands>

ds has pushed a toddler out of the way and trampled on them. i am feeling really upset.

BlessedAssurance Wed 04-Dec-13 18:11:23

I came here to post about what a horrible mother i was today but then got sidetracked. Dd likes to climb as all kids. We were having a nice time and suddenly i heard the most horrible sound behond me. I knew what it was without turning my head and yes she was on the floor screaming her head off because she had fallen off trying to climb on the chair i was sitting on. I have absolutely no idea why i lost it but there was my Dd lying on the floor needing me to pick her up and comfort her and there was me standing looking down at her angry and mad asking her how she had fallen. There was nothing to trip over and i could not understand how she ended up where she was. It took me two sec to realise i was being horrible so just knelt down and tried to do the proper motherly thing.

I am a God fearing, God loving and spirit filled child of God and the question is how do i manage to BE like that? What is wrong with me? This craziness began the moment i found out i was expecting. Patience is a thing of the past, the worst thing is i am ok with other people's kids but with my own i lose it.
Please pray that i will be more patient with my Dd and the rest of the world. God is a God of order, patience and love. Right now i am not showing any of those, at least it feels that way. My Dd is the loveliest child ever and well behaved so she does not deserve this kind of immature behaviour from her own mother. I called DH at work and told him i did not deserve her.He thinks i am a good mother, me notsad

BlessedAssurance Wed 04-Dec-13 18:15:11

bes that is sad. Is the other toddler ok? I am sure the toddlers mum knows that kids can be like that. Don't think much about it or else you will be sad. It shall be well..

BlessedAssurance - you wrote such thoughtful things about each of our situations - thank you so much for your encouraging words to me this afternoon thanks
Know that we are all praying for you and dd too x

One thought came to me for you ....
God is not only a God of order and patience but also of surprises and delight smile

And BA, you must have got a nasty shock when dd fell down suddenly from climbing on the chair, but she's OK. Be kind to yourself.

Thinking of you and ds too bes

Dutchoma Wed 04-Dec-13 19:33:49

BA I can imagine how upset you are with yourself. I remember my ds on the eve of his third birthday escaping from his nursery (don't ask) and being taken to the police station. It was a friend who told me he was there.
When i came to fetch him he was sitting on a police woman's lap doing colouring and instead of gathering him up in my arms I smacked his bottom as I was so cross that he had run away. I still (more than thirty years later) feel a bit guilty about it, but I think it was born out of the shock of what could had happened.
So often we get angry with the people we love the most. So don't be too hard on yourself and realise that God loves both you and your dd, just as you are, more than you can ever imagine. Patience is a fruit of the spirit and it grows but slowly.

On a completely different note: can I ask you to pray for our friend and church member Jo. She had a stroke when she was 17 and has been quite disabled since. She is still young now, in her early forties, I would think and she was diagnosed with cancer a few weeks ago. After a few more weeks in hospital when she became more and more ill, they have now discovered that the cancer has spread to her liver and she has been sent home with palliative care. Her mother, who will look after her is crippled with arthritis, she also has a brother who has a brain tumour. That family just has so much to cope with and not once have I heard any of them complain. I'm just quite gutted by this news.

bellsringingoutforMadHairDay Thu 05-Dec-13 10:08:38

Oh DO, praying for Jo and her family, there are no words sad Praying for you and Bob too.

BA, don't be too hard on yourself. we all have moments we wish we could go back and change but the thing is you did give her the comfort she needed when you realised and you were probably just in a moment of shock, we never know how we'd behave, I have screamed at ds before for nearly getting running over by running into the road, when he was v upset and just needed cuddles. It's not easy - take heart. And thanks for your prayers.

BES - hope ds ok today and hope you are ok, praying for you.

Have prayed through the situations as I have read through.

I feel OK today....one day at a time.

BlackeyedSusan Thu 05-Dec-13 10:30:14

well he is at school. [tchsmile] i got a shoe thrown at me but he hs gone.

Quick update from me: DD3's sleep is improving to an acceptable level (without any bottles or food in sight fsmile). We are off to get her 8 week jabs this afternoon. She is 22 weeks fblush Prayers that we both cope well appreciated.

SunshineMMum Thu 05-Dec-13 15:56:21

Praying ahead of the storms this evening, for God to protect those affected. Praying through for you all also. Prayers for your friend DO, that those involved with her care are able to bring relief and comfort. Praying that the path to the right job comes soon juggling, sorry to hear of your disappointment. BA my heart goes out to you especially. When DS was small he was playing a game where he threw himself down from haystacks into DH's arms and of course the worst thing happened and he missed. I can still see Ds's white face and the egg sized bump! I think that it can happen to everyone. BE Susan, we have had a small window of calm from spectacular melt downs, so prayers for peace for you too.

We have had some good news re DS, for which I am very thankful to God. He has been given a place on the every child achievement scheme, which is for disadvantaged children in the bottom 20%. Whilst this is hard to hear I accept his limitations am very grateful for this. The language and communication team are coming into see him next week. He is struggling with school across the board. Sorry this is a bit of a ramble.

BlessedAssurance Thu 05-Dec-13 15:56:50

Thank you so much everyone. I feel better and juggling i like that God is a God of surprises and delight. Which brings to mind the verse *delight yourself in the Lord and He will give you the desires of your own heart*thank you for riminding me.
DO you put into words what i could not express myself.I was so shocked by that fall that i just needed someone to blame in case it turned out to be horrible. She got the blame. My first thought was why did you try to do the one thing that i have forbidden you to do hundred times, then came the thought what am i going to tell DH? That our child hurt herself and i was not watching? I think when i did not see blood that's when i started shouting because i knew she would be ok. I still hate that i shouted. 2minutes later she was watching some kids programme and i kept asking if she was ok. Turned out the sound of hitting the floor was worse than the actual fall.

BlessedAssurance Thu 05-Dec-13 16:12:17

DO i read your post and smile at your DS having a playdate with the police. Then the smile left when i continued reading. Dear Lord!!Jo's family and herself. There are no words other than to say we are praying.
sunshine i hear you. Thank you . Regarding your son, only time will tell really. My job is working with kids and i see that some kids manage one thing better than the other. Your darling son might struggle with words and writing, but then again might be very good say in maths. Great that he has been given a place that can help but be of good cheer. Children have a way of surprising their parents, even the world. Don't be surprised to hear one day that your son has managed to break some code and gone into the Pentagon,hacked every database and know all their secrets,then gets a job offer from the FBI..grin now who is rumbling???

SunshineMMum Thu 05-Dec-13 16:28:21

Oh Yes grin I do worry for the safety of the Pentagon, his IT skills are phenomenal! We are very blessed with this fearfully clever and strange little guy.

BlackeyedSusan Thu 05-Dec-13 19:43:06

ds is wild tonight. he has hd all privaledges removed.

CharlotteCollinsinherownplace Thu 05-Dec-13 21:51:56

Offering up heartfelt thanks for a perfect job that's landed in my lap. I'm a teacher, but just can't teach while the DCs take so much time and energy. I have been given a TA job, all maths which is my subject, all directed at the kids who most need the intervention, 3 days a week, which is all I can manage right now with DD3 only in nursery 2.5 days.

While I was still trapped in my marriage, I thought I'd be unable to work for years and years. I am so pleased to be able to do something to help people outside my family. I've not worked for 5 years, so this is big regardless of the other circumstances!

NoRoomForALittleOne Thu 05-Dec-13 22:13:38

I know it's a bit late, but I'm praying for you, BES. We had similar issues in our house. DD1 and DD2 are very tired and poorly behaved. Roll on the Christmas holidays...

BlessedAssurance Thu 05-Dec-13 23:19:15

charlotte congratulations on your job. Wonderful news.

BananasForTed Thu 05-Dec-13 23:36:31

I hope its ok to post here.

I was just wanting some support. I am a lp with 2 dcs. They are a real blessing and I would be totally lost without them.

I'm really struggling with my mental health at the moment. My job is causing me a lot of anguish and anxiety and I need to find a new one. I have drifted away from my church and feel like a total hypocrite to go back just because I need help. Just feel a bit lost and don't know where to turn.

BlackeyedSusan Fri 06-Dec-13 00:02:29

welcome bananas! how old are the dcs?

bananas you wouldn't be a hypocrite, please go back to your church if they can help you. They will want to help whether you're an active member or not.

BES I hope you had a peaceful night.

Thinking of and praying for all x

FaithTheVampireSlayer Fri 06-Dec-13 08:56:09

Oh that's wonderful news Charlotte! It sounds exactly what you need and I expect it will boost your confidence, giving you a renewed sense of self.

Praying bes and Room, difficult time of year with overstimulation.

bananas, please go back to church. I drifted away this year after a very difficult time and depression that followed. However I realised how much I need church in my life. I went back and was welcomed back by my church family. I'm still struggling with my faith but I feel better for being back in church. Do go back - the first time is the hardest!

Dutchoma Fri 06-Dec-13 09:18:09

Welcome bananas. When yo were in the church was there any one particular person that you became close to? Does it run a mums and tots group? Anything that will provide a way back in that is not the main Sunday service?
I would find that very daunting too, there might be comments of "Hallo stranger" or similar and I would cringe.
Yet, the church is there to support us in our walk with Jesus Christ. It will find it hard to do so (although of course not impossible) if you're not there. Like Faith you probably feel that you want the support, that you are incomplete without it. So, what I'm saying really is, if you find the front door too daunting, see if there is a back door to get into.
And keep talking here, there is wonderful support on this thread.

SunshineMMum Fri 06-Dec-13 11:14:27

Hi Bananas prayers that God comforts and supports you during this time. I'm sure that your Church would welcome you back.

BlackeyedSusan Fri 06-Dec-13 12:42:28

oh my gosh. write the date in history. ds went down the stairs without tantrum this morning.

Dutchoma Fri 06-Dec-13 12:55:49

Miracles will never cease. grin

revivingshower Fri 06-Dec-13 13:44:12

Bananas don't forget the story of the prodigal son. Even if you haven't gone as far from God as the son in the story did from the father, He will still be happy you are feeling closer to him and be glad you want to go to church again. I hope all the people there will follow His example.

BananasForTed Fri 06-Dec-13 14:15:16

Thanks for all the kind replies.

I was feeling so lonely and lost last night. But I almost felt a release after posting on this thread. Today has been a better day, I have managed to clean the house from top to bottom which has made me feel much better. The mess is oppressive and really gets me down. It looks lovely now.
I also had a job interview so hopefully I will get through to the next stage and can get the job. I'm pretty sure my job is what is causing me to feel so low.

I'm going to go back to church on Sunday. My friend has said she will go with me so it makes it a little less daunting. I'm not even sure why I am so worried about going, the people are so lovely and have helped my whole family through some pretty horrendous times. I

My dcs are 5 and 6.

SunshineMMum Fri 06-Dec-13 14:48:05

Great new BES, those moments really lovely when they have ben really tough smile Really glad you are having a better day Bananas, I shall be praying for you Sun. I know myself how lonely life can get sometimes, even when I know I have good friends and a lovely family.

DH and I left our Church in Aug 2011, but we are feeling ready to look for a new spiritual home in the New Year. The parable of the prodigal son has been very dear to me this year. I love the Rembrandt painting for reflection and Henri Nouwen's book The Return of the prodigal son, which I dip into often smile

BlessedAssurance Fri 06-Dec-13 17:14:54

Bananas welcome, you are at the right place in here. Just to add to what has been said already about the prodigal son. Remember in the story when the son finally decides to go back home, his father is the first to notice him coming. We are not told otherwise so assume or would like to believe that his father was on the lookout, hoping that his darling son would come back to him. It is no surprise then that he is warmly welcomed home.I did not think about it that way before but i believe God is always on the lookout, such that when we finally decide to go back, even after having been away for ages, He is just there, watching and waiting and for Him to say finally dear child,welcome home..

It is great that you have a friend who is going to be by your side. The reluctance to go back on your part is understandable. You might be embarrassed, but i believe the lovely people in your church will just be happy to have you back. We are to be there for each other as long as there is a need to be met, for spiritual encouragement and a lot more. This does not only apply if people come to church, nope. We support them especially when they stop coming because many times they leave due to some pressing issues and at times just given up. Praying for you and your children. Praying that you will find another job that is less stressful as well. Sorry for postong so muchgrin.

Lovely to see some new names around here, welcome! smile

Thank you for your prayers - DD1 has been here for 2 days and all good so far! wink

I would like some views on something....I had a look for the Christian chat thread, which probably would have been a better place, but I could not find it, so please can I ask here?

Ok, so it is about the Mike Guglielmucci song "healer". (background in a nutshell - famous preacher, lied about having cancer for years, conned lots of people out of lots of money for treatment - then wrote the song "healer" - he had a few "miraculous" healings of the "cancer" then it all came out that he did not have it at all anyway, but was addicted to porn.)
Do your churches use this song?
If they do, do they know the background to it?
Do you feel strongly one way or another about singing this song? Are you prepared to share your thoughts...you can PM me if you would prefer.

I would really appreciate your thoughts - I am not wanting a bunfight, by the way. I will respect everyone's views. smile (and please will everyone else, too)

wikipedia page about him

and the song with lyrics in case you dont know it

Many thanks, I hope no-one minds me asking.

JugglingUnwiselyWithBaubles Fri 06-Dec-13 20:10:18

I wouldn't really want to sing that song knowing the background to it PA - but then Quakers don't sing in their Meetings anyway. But I think I'd feel there are so many other lovely songs to choose from right through the ages. I think I'd definitely be put off.
But I can respect anyone having a different view - especially if it's a particularly good song which speaks to you and says what you want to say.

Are you considering it for a particular service?

amberlight Fri 06-Dec-13 20:15:41

Praying through...

Thank you for your response Juggling no, not for a specific service. I am happy to share my very strong views on here, but would prefer to get other's thoughts first so that it doesn't look as if I am being argumentative. I am asking because of a situation in our church and I dont know whether I should stand up and be counted or sit down and be quiet, iyswim.

SunshineMMum Fri 06-Dec-13 21:02:23

I agree with what BA says regarding the prodigal son. I keep coming back to the same Henri Nouwen quote this year, because it really resonates with me.

"The question is not “How am I to find God?” but “How am I to let myself be found by him?” The question is not “How am I to know God?” but “How am I to let myself be known by God?” And, finally, the question is not “How am I to love God?” but “How am I to let myself be loved by God?” God is looking into the distance for me, trying to find me, and longing to bring me home.”

PA, I haven't heard that worship song I shall look it up.

CharlotteCollinsinherownplace Fri 06-Dec-13 21:22:12

PA, I've not come across that song before. I've just watched it on your link and I didn't like it. It's rather second-rate in terms of tune and words - and the words just seemed too "me-centric", iyswim. The look of all the members of the audience, too, was rather "I love Jesus because of the great experience he gives me." So for me there'd be no question of wanting to use it, then knowing too the background to its writing!

No we don't use that song at my big church PA. I didn't have peace about it when I listened to it tbh.

I'll pray for wisdom for you though x

BananasForTed Fri 06-Dec-13 22:22:37

paListening to the song and its lyrics do you think he made up the story because he was so ashamed and disgusted with what he actually was.....he has something wrong with him but its not something that people can see. Maybe the song has the same meaning as originally thought because he is asking to be healed from his addiction.
I don't agree with lying but sometimes we all make stupid mistakes which can spiral out of control. I guess it all depends on the motives behind the lie. If it was to get money from people then that is awful, but if he was covering his shame I then I think he deserve forgiveness and a chance to explain himself.

BlackeyedSusan Fri 06-Dec-13 22:23:50

I can't manage coherant thought. trying to think hurts so I will wish you well and let others give their opinion. I need to put washing up and go to bed.

cloutiedumpling Sat 07-Dec-13 09:06:16

I'd not heard the song before. Has he repented for what he did?

BlackeyedSusan Sat 07-Dec-13 10:09:22

dd is going to a school thing in town and is really excited. ds has to come and I have to entertain him for to and a half hours.

SunshineMMum Sat 07-Dec-13 10:17:44

PA I have had a listen. It is impossible to know why Michael did what he did. We left our Church because of the influence of ministries such as The Eldridges and Angus Buchan, which we found repugnant. It is really difficult to resolve differences when some things can feel so fundamentally flawed.

One of the things someone said at the time was that, as Humans we are all flawed, but that God can still inspire those who are sick spiritually. I struggle similarly with some of the things I saw at New Wine 2011. Did Michael ever explain or express repentance?

SunshineMMum Sat 07-Dec-13 10:28:01

.. Just seen the wilki link, it appears that he has confessed and explained. I'm not justifying or condoning his actions at all, but it does sound as though he was suffering from mental illness.

Thank you all for your thoughts and comments. Mome I understand that your church was quite involved at the time, if I remember rightly.
Sunshine yes, there does seem to have been repentance and acceptance that what he did was wrong.
I do not really want to go into the wrongness of what he did - yes it was wrong, yes we have a God of forgiveness and a God who loves him.
It is more about the song. Since this all became public, a few years ago now, I have really not been comfortable with the song because of the background to it, the fact that it was written by Mike and proclaimed to be about his battle with cancer etc. To me it was written and preformed in deceit and I feel that something with its roots in deceit must be used with lots of caution. I do understand that the words are very meaningful to some. Yes, it can be sung about physical illness as well as mental illness and yes, God heals both.

Our "old" worship leader would not have sung it. He has now moved away from here and we have a young worship leader. About a month ago we sung this song in church. I was not comfortable with this and I went and spoke with the person who had been leading worship that morning (not the young worship leader) he was totally unaware of any controversy. He then spoke with the worship leader who has replied saying that he is happy to sing it because he feels that Mike was let down by the church not being the sort of place where he could say what his problem really was...... hmm And he will continue to sing it in the church.

So, my thoughts now are: I am unhappy that he has decided to go ahead and sing this without letting his worship team know that there was any controversy about it and perhaps decide as a team whether to use it or not.
I do not think his argument is very strong - yes as a church we should be supportive and accountable and be a place where we can say whatever we are struggling with, but us singing that song is not going to make that happen, is it????
I feel strongly that this is too tangled with deceit and there are other songs about healing that can be used.

I don't know if I need to go and speak with the worship leader myself and say what I think, or just keep quiet. I WILL NOT sing it, ever.

A reason why I feel so strongly is because we had a time years ago when DH and I had someone living with us for 10 months while they were "dying" of cancer and I was caring for her 24/7 but it turned out she was lying to us! It nearly broke us and was a terrible, terrible time. So, maybe you can understand why I have deep feelings, I just wanted to get a more balanced view before I go off the deep end and realise that I am being totally OTT because of my own history.

Many thanks, everyone.

cloutiedumpling Sat 07-Dec-13 12:33:18

I'm a bit cynical. I think there is a difference between confessing because his actions had been uncovered, and truly repenting. I wouldn't want to use the song unless he had repented.

cloutiedumpling Sat 07-Dec-13 12:36:48

Sorry. Cross post. I agree that I'd probably use other songs about healing and avoid the controversy.

JugglingUnwiselyWithBaubles Sat 07-Dec-13 12:42:32

I'm sorry about your personal experiences around this PA - sounds awful
I don't think they are overly affecting how you feel about the situation/song (good you realise that they might)
I think I'd speak to the worship leader about your thoughts and feelings on this absolutely. Why not?

OComeAllYeFaithFul Sat 07-Dec-13 13:06:59

Gosh PA, what an awful deception. No I don't think that song should be sung in church because I couldn't believe it was written from the heart. To me it would all be part of the lie, I couldn't whole heatedly sing it. If the worship leader won't listen, I'd take it to church leaders.

bellsringingoutforMadHairDay Sat 07-Dec-13 13:18:27

That sounds an awful experience PA sad

I have this song on one of my hillsong cds and always skip it because it makes me feel very, very uncomfortable, knowing the background, it always makes me feel slightly sick tbh. I believe in grace and forgiveness but still feel it's wrong at a deep level, this song. Partly because I have unhealed physical illness I suppose, the song is triumphalistic and possibly downplays the pain of unhealed illness, but mostly because of the terrible deceit underlying it.

I wouldn't sing it in church.

But there is another part of me that says there must be other songs out there written by people with wrong motives and who are in some sin themselves, yet we sing happily without that knowledge - I guess it is to do with the words we sing and whether we personally mean them. I just think this song is tarnished really and a bit crap

Yes PA. I remember him talking up the front about it and how upsetting it all was.

I gave you my short and sweet answer wink

What OComeAllYeFaithful said as well PA.

I hate confrontation but I think it is worth having a discussion in this situation, but can you do it at a quiet time, in a neutral way with perhaps someone else present from the leadership team?

Hard to know how to handle it without knowing how your Church works as a whole. My Church maybe big but I know key people I could talk to first and trust them to discuss it sensitively with them. It would be dealt with, without me having to do it. I'm such a wimp.

OComeAllYeFaithFul Sat 07-Dec-13 14:26:26

(Oh it's Faith btw).

I knew it was you lovely wink

OComeAllYeFaithFul Sat 07-Dec-13 16:04:12

fgrin just checking!


Liked your Christmas name so much I typed the whole thing.

How can I make my name more Christmassy?

bellsringingoutforMadHairDay Sat 07-Dec-13 16:44:59


BlackeyedSusan Sat 07-Dec-13 17:32:46

I am wondering about something more adventurous than blackeyed santa

I lkie don't step on the baubles. thaat cry sounds painfully familiar.

OComeAllYeFaithFul Sat 07-Dec-13 18:30:39


Dutchoma Sat 07-Dec-13 19:38:58

I can't think of a Christmas name either.

Thank you all very, very much for taking the time and effort to give me your thoughts. I think I am going to have to be brave and speak with the worship leader myself. I am going to ask that the worship team are consulted and are asked what they think. If they all agree that it should be ok, then I will back down. If he wont ask their opinion I think I might have to speak to the leadership team.

Have a blessed Sunday everyone. smile

BlackeyedShepherdswatchtheirfl Sun 08-Dec-13 09:30:50

too long?

BlackeyedShepherdswatchsheep Sun 08-Dec-13 09:32:39


NoRoomForALittleOne Sun 08-Dec-13 11:01:14

Prayers for a poorly DD3, please.

Dutchoma Sun 08-Dec-13 11:09:31

Coming right up, together with prayers for a strong and patient mummy.

BlessedAssurance Sun 08-Dec-13 11:27:53

PA I know the story and that song is on my playlist. Listened to it way before knew the story behind it. I found out when I was searching for other songs he might have produced and i was really surprised. I listened to it again and my feelings did not change concerning the words. To me it felt like he was heart sick and was repenting, even if it was through song. He confessed his sin himself i believe, not that someone found out and outed him. Another poster has mentioned that we sing lots of songs without really knowing what the composer has been up to. Michael just happened to face the music and come clean. I bet his relief is beyond words.
Whether your church should sing the song, i have to agree that the worship leader needs to run his decision through the team. That song should be sung in church because it is going to invite trouble. I stopped listening to it myself only because i created a new playlist on my Ipod that excluded itgrin but if i am playing my hills one album I just sing along. Our hearts make music unto the Lord and when i sing I just honestly believe that He is my Healer and that He is all I need. PA you are better off speaking your mind out than sitting in the corner and stewinggrin Have a chat with the worship leader.

BlessedAssurance Sun 08-Dec-13 11:30:53

Meant to say that song should not be sung in church not should be sung, heck, the song is like a minefield..

BlessedAssurance Sun 08-Dec-13 11:32:50

Praying for your DD3 and a calm Sunday for the mummy..

Prayers for DD3, Room

Well, God answered unsaid prayers today! The guy I had approached about this caught me after church, said that he was not happy and he felt that the worship team needed to have a full and frank discussion about it. (he said he would not be happy to lead the church in singing a song with so much surrounding its origins without explaining why they had decided to sing it....he said that he felt if new people came to the church, liked the song, and went home and googled it they might be a bit put out about all the background and it would seem as if the worship team were ignoring the deceit.) He is very much against singing it! He is going to discuss with the whole team. I am goign to leave it up to him at the moment and he will let me know how it goes. So a huge sigh of relief from me! smile

NoRoomForALittleOne Sun 08-Dec-13 19:18:48

Praising God for my nap this afternoon. I had very little sleep last night looking after poorly DD3. I got through this morning while DH had to go out and I'm pleased I did the sensible thing and backed out of looking after an extra child as previously planned. DD3 needed lots of care and attention. She seems to be improving at times so hopefully I won't spend all night checking her breathing tonight.

So glad PA. I find church politics hard at the best of times and I'm also pleased room had a good nap. Makes a huge difference having that sleep. My fuse is short with the kids when tired here blush

Well my chap I dated has gone quiet. I haven't heard from him since Tuesday, so I suspect that's sadly over. Just trusting God that the right man will come along in the end. 4 years since separation and divorce now. I'm happier than I was and also content on my own. Be lovely to meet someone but God's timing is better than mine clearly wink

Lovely Christmassy day here baking mince pies with kids and playing carols.

niminypiminy Mon 09-Dec-13 07:19:35

I've not been around much recently but I would really! really appreciate prayers today. We are moving, and it feels like a huge risk (moving from a house which is warm and quiet and tiny to one that is cold and noisy and big), and we are worried about the move itself and whether we have done the right thing, and how DS1 (who has Asperger's syndrome) will cope and how we can help him to manage the change. Thank you.

Praying through.

This week is a very busy one with Christmas activities with schools every day this week. Next week it is nursing homes and funerals and then it is our church Christmas celebrations. Any spare prayers for stamina during the advent season would be very welcome!

Dutchoma Mon 09-Dec-13 07:53:28

How wonderful to see the two of you on this thread. Prayers coming up for all the issues mentioned here, but especially for Niminy's ds. The change must be so frightening for him.

Still lurking and praying in the background here too! Busy times in the parishes with all Advent stuff and preparing for Christmas going on!

Dutchoma Mon 09-Dec-13 09:42:49

And lovely to see you too Blue

bellsringingoutforMadHairDay Mon 09-Dec-13 16:37:43

Praying for niminy's move and green's busy advent. Also for Mome, so sorry things don't seem to be working out with this one, but so glad you are feeling more content smile

Prayers still working for keeping me out of hospital here fwink

Church politics - tell me about it. Had a hard meeting today and feel a bit depressed. prayers for things to go smoother would be good....funny thing is everything with the plant is going so well at the moment.... fconfused

NoRoomForALittleOne Mon 09-Dec-13 21:44:15

Hi All. Great to see some people popping back in!

DD3 slept with me all last night and is set to do the same tonight. She has a nasty cough. I'm selling some decorated candles in college tomorrow. Prayers for the practicality of sorting it out and also that I won't take it personally if they don't sell would be appreciated. I could do without it while DD3 is so poorly. But, I said that I'd do it and I've invested money in it now so I need to sell some candles!

Have you got a sling to keep her close tomorrow room?

NoRoomForALittleOne Mon 09-Dec-13 22:02:45

Yes, but I'll probably leave an honesty box for much of the day because college is so secure and should be honest!

Kaykat Tue 10-Dec-13 07:50:04

Please continue to pray for my relationship with DS every time he sees his dad he hates me and fights my boundaries for a few days then by the time he has recovered it's time to see him again.

bellsringingoutforMadHairDay Tue 10-Dec-13 09:09:46

Praying for you this morning, Kaykat. This must be so very difficult for you. Praying for reconciliation with ds and for ds to be able to cope with the situation without fighting you about it all. sad

Praying some candles sell, Room and that you get some rest today somehow and that dd3 gets better.

BlackeyedShepherdswatchsheep Wed 11-Dec-13 00:44:31

school performance tomorrow. I can not wait for it to be over for ds.

NoRoomForALittleOne Wed 11-Dec-13 11:11:46

I was in hospital all night with a poorly DD3 who needed some oxygen. She was well enough to come home but is still really poorly. Prayers that she'll keep her calpol down appreciated.

Prayers for DD3, room.

bellsringingoutforMadHairDay Wed 11-Dec-13 12:40:12

Praying Room sad poor little dd.

Tuo Wed 11-Dec-13 13:29:08

Hello all. Have been lurking and praying but feeling very overwhelmed and tired at the moment and just haven't been able to get on here to post.

Things at work are a bit trying at the moment and something I've been trying to put in place is being stalled and opposed in a really unhelpful way. I've got a meeting where I hope to bring down some of those barriers this afternoon, and would really appreciate your prayers that it will all go well, as the consequences if it doesn't could be quite worrying. (Sorry to be a bit cryptic, but really can't go into details.)

Praying for Room's DD3, for MHD to stay out of hospital, for Niminy's move and for her DS to cope with the change and disruption well, for BES's DS's performance, for greenheart's manic week, and for all who need prayers.

Will try to catch up more fully later. Even when I don't manage to get on here, the thought that this lovely thread exists and that this group of wonderful people are keeping prayers going is a really comforting one. God bless you all.

BlackeyedShepherdswatchsheep Wed 11-Dec-13 16:47:55

sad room.

did you get your tree decorated mhd?

just popped back for snacks and loo before heading off

NoRoomForALittleOne Wed 11-Dec-13 19:12:01

Calpol has stayed down but not shifted temp. Ibuprofen was thrown up. DD3's breathing is OK at times and very laboured at others. She sounds like her throat is very sore sad I'm hoping to escape hospital tonight...

Dutchoma Wed 11-Dec-13 19:42:03

Praying for that Room Poor darling little dd3

DN is home! Ten mins ago. She has a heart murmur still, as it hasn't closed properly yet but it's pretty exciting that she's finally home but there's still a risk that she'll have to go in again bless her. Lots of out patient appointments ahead I guess. Prayers for her still and her scared parents on their first night home would be great smile

She was due on 30th Dec but was born super early, for anyone new to the thread x

Dutchoma Wed 11-Dec-13 21:17:41

Gosh that is wonderful news Mome. Prayers for her and for Room's dd3 and for Room who is very exhausted.

OComeAllYeFaithFul Wed 11-Dec-13 21:36:21

Aw how lovely Mome. Praying she's well and at home for Christmas.

On that note, how are you mhd? Still praying for you! Did you get your tree up?

Room that sounds so scary and tough. Praying for your DD's recovery and for energy for you.

amberlight Thu 12-Dec-13 05:56:01

prayers continuing as I read through

Dutchoma Thu 12-Dec-13 08:06:38

And prayers for you Amber for the day ahead.

niminypiminy Thu 12-Dec-13 09:24:56

Thank you for your prayers. We're moved, and DS1 has been pretty good about it so far (though there's still time wink). Praying for Room's dd3, for Mome's DN, for MHD to stay out of hospital, for Greenheart's busy week and for Tuo's difficulties at work, for Oma and Amber.

May God bless us in our going out and our coming in, and keep watch over us in all we do.

Dutchoma Thu 12-Dec-13 09:30:33

Thanks be to God and Amen, Niminy

BlackeyedShepherdswatchsheep Thu 12-Dec-13 10:56:35

how is dd now room?

the computer is randomly shutting don. please pray for my link to the world.

amberlight Thu 12-Dec-13 15:09:10

Things haven't gone well. DH has seen eye specialist today and been told he has laser surgery for two holes in the retina, tomorrow at 6pm. Prayers would be appreciated that he can stay calm so that they can do this. He has big sensory issues and routine-needs, being autistic.

One more service this week and we are done. Oh there are Sunday services as well but that is open the book and read.

Praying for the needs spoken and unspoken on this thread.

BlackeyedShepherdswatchsheep Thu 12-Dec-13 19:48:16

<creaks and groans into thread>

why? what possessed me?

i am rapidly seizing up... there will be groaning and huffing and moaning and it is ALL MY OWN FAULT

someone thought it was a good idea to take the children on the artificial icerink in town.

on the plus side, after ds's very late night, walk to town and 1 hours activity he is now asleep sitting up on the sofa. oh and it was fun!

<hobbles off in seach of ibuprofen>

revivingshower Fri 13-Dec-13 13:05:32

Prayers for you all.
Please continue to pray for my back to keep recovering and to keep my attitude positive. And for my family who are being supportive but it is hard for us all with me out of action so please pray for their continued patience and understanding.

BlackeyedShepherdswatchsheep Fri 13-Dec-13 18:53:57

i have toilet rolls all over my bedroom. thankfully, still rolled... but nnoying. I was washing up in the kitchen and doing tea.

BlackeyedShepherdswatchsheep Sat 14-Dec-13 10:54:13

i had eight hours sleep with only one wake up last night. this is worked out on the basis that I heard tms (cricket) come on at 2 and then go off at 10 and there was a little cricket going on at 8 when I woke up and thoughht about getting up

<runs and hides>

Dutchoma Sat 14-Dec-13 11:10:07

Why on earth run and hide BES. Rejoice and thank the Lord and repeat the process for the coming night(s). Three nights of 8 hour sleep and you will be a new woman.

Dutchoma Sat 14-Dec-13 11:11:04

And of course this is what you get for watching sheep.

Xmas2013MN6531 Sat 14-Dec-13 12:11:19

Morning all, yes I did get my tree up,thanks so much for all the prayers, I feel surrounded by them at the moment.

Praying for Room's dd, Mome's dn, for Tuo with things feeling a bit much at the moment, for amber's dh, for niminy and her move, for BES in her busyness and everyone else.

Only a week left of school! Yay!

Just taking dd off to the cinema for a treat fsmile

Xmas2013MN6531 Sat 14-Dec-13 12:11:49

oh flip name change fail blush

bellsringingoutforMadHairDay Sat 14-Dec-13 12:13:48


BlackeyedShepherdswatchsheep Sat 14-Dec-13 14:44:24

you don't happen to have gone to the post office recently too do you?

<innocent whistling>

Haha mhd glad you received a donation smile
You truly deserve it

GingerCurl Sun 15-Dec-13 11:56:32

<sneeks in>
Could I ask for prayers please? We suspect that the aching stomach I've had off an on during the past week may be my appendix playing up as the pain has now localised itself to my right side. It is getting increasingly persistent this morning and I'm feeling a bit rough and eurgh in general but at the moment we are dismissing that as the result of me having been out with the other mums in DS' class for a drink and a curry last night . DH is leaving early tomorrow AM to go abroad for work and is not due to return until Thursday evening. I need to be well to look after DS at least until Tuesday night when DSis and hernfamily descend on us.

Tuo Sun 15-Dec-13 23:06:29

Hello... Thank you for prayers. Work meeting went quite well. The situation is ongoing, but I am praying for a positive outcome, and am fairly hopeful. Could also do with prayers for ... not sure how to put it really... I suppose for peace where we live. We haven't ever fallen out with anyone here or had a dispute over anything, but in the last month or so we've had egg thrown at our windows, and DH's car has had something that looks like yogurt thrown over the bonnet twice. It's very odd... not really threatening, and apparently random, but not very nice.

Praying for another good night's sleep for BES, for MHD to continue well and to enjoy Christmas at home this year, for Room and her DD3 (How is she?), for revivingshower and her back, for amber's DH (How did the op go? Have they repaired the damage?), for Ginger's health (Do go to the GP and get it checked out if the pain persists), for Oma and Bob, and for PA and the whole Attitude family, but especially DD3's health in her pregnancy.

Giving thanks with Mome for baby Grace's discharge from hospital, with MHD for a tree up and decorated, with niminy for a house-move completed, and with greenheart for the end of an exhausting week. Also giving thanks for my wonderful parents - we celebrated my dad's 80th birthday last weekend and they are coming here on Wednesday before all of us going away together for Christmas - whom I don't always appreciate as much as I should.

Finally praying for all those affected by the extreme weather conditions in the Middle East, especially those who are refugees at this time. May they find shelter, food and warmth in their immediate need, and ultimately peace in their lands so that they can return to their homes and rebuild their lives. God bless those working to bring aid and those striving for peace.

BlackeyedShepherdswatchsheep Sun 15-Dec-13 23:28:16

dd has had an allergic reaction or bug. hoping the bug will not spread.

Praying as I read through.

Struggling here quite a bit. DD1, DS and I have all had a sick bug, now DD1 has got a bad headache, sinus trouble, earache etc..... I am missing DH badly - I know this is made worse by feeling ill and low anyway. DD3's blood pressure is beginning to creep up, which is the first sign of the pre-eclampsia that I suffered from, although she is now 31 weeks, so she has done well. I have applied for the job that I have been waiting to be advertised since August......interviews will be in January if I get that far!

Kaykat Mon 16-Dec-13 20:21:19

DS and I have moved into a sweet little house. DS loves it. No internet yet so posting on phone. Thanks for all your prayers it means a lot to me.

Dutchoma Mon 16-Dec-13 21:23:28

Congratulations Kay. So pleased for you.
And praying for all the PA household to be free of bugs and high blood presure.

Lovely KayKat - praying that you will feel settled and at home very quickly and that you will have a lovely Christmas in your new home.

Thank you for the prayers DO

BlackeyedShepherdswatchsheep Tue 17-Dec-13 00:06:09

oh dear. dd has been to school (seemed recovered more than 24 hrs) but has just been sick again. oh dear.

SunshinemMum Tue 17-Dec-13 13:24:06

Hi praying through, may God bless your new home Kaykat. Praying for all with poorly children. DS is here with me, he has had a sore throat and high temperature, but is feeling much better. Sorry to hear you have been targeted. We had this for a while too, the teenager concerned is about to moved out. Prayers that things settle and that the behaviour is just silly and random and that these people lose interest.

NoRoomForALittleOne Tue 17-Dec-13 14:26:18

Just popping by to let you know that DD3 is improving. Hopefully no more hospital trips for her!

It's DS's 3rd birthday today! I can't quite believe that our children are now 6, 4, 3 and 5 months!

BlackeyedShepherdswatchsheep Tue 17-Dec-13 14:57:05

mum has been called back to see the drs as there is something wrong ith her side. she has been losing weight for ages and they haave dismissed it. she has anxiety and is generally not that heaalthy.

SunshinemMum Tue 17-Dec-13 15:08:18

That should have said for Tuo who is being targeted. Prayers for swift diagnosis and healing for your Mum BES and glad DD is improving noroom. Thank you again for this wonderful prayer thread. I was able to ask for prayer, outside of my home, for the first time since we left the Church in 2011

cloutiedumpling Tue 17-Dec-13 22:04:59

Woohoo Kay - it'll be a new start and a new year in your new house.

PA - does DD know all about the signs of PE? My Mum had it but never warned me. I wished I'd known or I wouldn't have put the headache etc down to just being pregnant and would have got checked out much earlier. DS1 was a little premature but fine.

Prayers for all this advent as we look forward to Christmas

amberlight Wed 18-Dec-13 06:49:27

praying through...

BlackeyedShepherdswatchsheep Wed 18-Dec-13 08:13:26

mums ppoointment. she is worried sick. i am trying not to think about it. she is worried about and confused how to get a taxi.

NoRoomForALittleOne Wed 18-Dec-13 08:25:12

Praying BES

bellsringingoutforMadHairDay Wed 18-Dec-13 09:44:06

Praying BES.

Praying for Tuo, that things settle down and there are no more incidents. I've been there and it's unpleasant to feel so targeted and vulnerable. May God surround you with his peace and presence.

Praying for Ginger and hoping it's not the appendix, praying it will be sorted out asap and that you are feeling better today.

Praying for family PA, for healing of sickness bugs and for DD3 for safety and for doctors wisdom if it's PE. Praying that PA will know God's comfort surrounding her as she misses dh at this time.

Giving thanks to God for Kaykat's new house and praying for a lovely Christmas for her and ds in their new home. fsmile

Thanking God that Sunshine feels so positive about asking for prayer.

Happy birthday to Room's ds! And continuing to pray for dd3's recovery. Praying that Room and her family get some rest and a lovely, illness free Christmas.

Praying for amber, for Mary, for cloutie, Oma, Blue, niminy, green and everyone else this morning. Holding you all before God and asking for peace in your lives and the presence and blessing of God.

Still at home!! fsmile

prayers would be appreciated for dd, who is having a bit of a tough time at school again....she finds it so very hard sometimes, and I'm not sure she is being supported too well at the moment with her dyspraxia so we have to try and sort it all out.

Dutchoma Wed 18-Dec-13 10:29:39

We are in a bit of a hard place. On top of all his other trouble Bob now has a very sore foot and there is not a lot that can be done about it in the short term. He was given some stronger painkillers, which made him feel and be sick, he is still taking them and has with supreme effort got himself out of the house to the fun day at the local hospice. i will go a bit later. Pray that while he is there the staff will have appreciation of the true facts and that they are able to give us the suppport that is most appropriate to the situation.

We were reading Jeremiah 33 this morning with Jeff Lucas' notes and the message was : nevertheless, I am faithful

thank you for all the prayers. Cloutie Yes, I have been very open about my history with DDs and I went with DD3 to her booking in appointment to make sure they had all the facts. I have also explained fully what DD3 needs to look out for and ask her every time I speak to her. <slightly OTT maybe> I had it at 25 weeks and a CS at 26 weeks (She lived for 8 days) but I remember one of hte midwives refusing to come and take my blood pressure at home at 25 weeks due to the fact she said it was too early for PE. Fortunately I had a neighbour who was also a midwife and she asked me how I was doing and noticed I was puffed up around my face and she had me rushed into hospital within hours of just casually seeing her in the street! Apparently I would have not survived if I had been left for another day or so.
ANyway, she is doing well thanks! ANd I am feeling better, physically and emotionally. I did message DH and tell him I was feeling low and missing him and his reply..........."You knew it would be like this...shut up and get on with it!" All heart my DH!!!! grin but also probably just what I needed and he knew that!

Prayers for Bob to get some help and relief DO.

BlackeyedShepherdswatchsheep Wed 18-Dec-13 10:58:10

hugs pa.

i will be ringing my mum in a mo. thanks for the prayers.

cloutiedumpling Wed 18-Dec-13 11:25:20

Oh PA. I'm so sorry. I'm just a bit evangelical about telling everyone about the symptoms of PE because of my own experience. I'd held off from seeing a MW for a week because I thought a crashing headache etc was normal in pregnancy only to be told when I was in hospital that I was very, very lucky I hadn't fitted. Afterwards my Mum said that she'd thought the headache etc could have been PE but she didn't want to worry me! Glad you are feeling better today.

Prayers for BES's mum, Bob and MHD's DD and everyone else.

BlackeyedShepherdswatchsheep Wed 18-Dec-13 13:00:47

panic over. wish the bloody surgery were not so vague. she is not well. a bug that can not be treaated as she is allergic to the medicine. difficult to ok out the severity. she suvived one of the nasty bugs hile back (c dif) and was told she was very lucky so not sure where on the scale of things this is.

there was talk of blood tests and found something in her right side hence the panic. that and the history of mils illness and coming up to the anniversary of her death.

NoRoomForALittleOne Thu 19-Dec-13 08:56:37

DO how did it go yesterday? How is Bob today?

Dutchoma Thu 19-Dec-13 09:36:38

It was quite a hard day but we survived and have survived till this morning when the district nurse came early and dealt with various issues. We also have the MacMillan nurse coming this morning and the podiatrist this afternoon, so hopefully we will be on a slightly even keel this weekend.

GingerCurl Thu 19-Dec-13 09:50:23

Praying as I read through.

Thank you for your prayers. The pain disappeared overnight and hasn't returned. If it does, I shall take myself to see the GP.

BlackeyedShepherdswatchsheep Thu 19-Dec-13 10:06:52

one of our lovely neighbours died last night. collapsed at work.

Dutchoma Thu 19-Dec-13 11:11:41

Oh *BES...

Dutchoma Thu 19-Dec-13 12:08:17

Macmillan nurse has been and has suggested Bob come into the hospice for assessment. There is no bed at the moment, so pray for one to become available before rather than after Christmas.

NoRoomForALittleOne Thu 19-Dec-13 13:07:04

How do you feel about Bob going in?

Dutchoma Thu 19-Dec-13 13:14:53

Utter relief that someone more capable than me will look after him and utter defeat that I can no longer do it myself.

NoRoomForALittleOne Thu 19-Dec-13 13:24:42

No longer manage at all or for now?

Dutchoma Thu 19-Dec-13 14:31:29

That's what we'll have to find out. That's what the assessment is about. I'm trying not to think too far ahead as I will get into a panic.

BlackeyedShepherdswatchsheep Thu 19-Dec-13 14:58:54

hugs oma.

Willl be praying DO

niminypiminy Thu 19-Dec-13 15:56:00

Oh DO, <<<<<>>>>>>

I'm praying for you that God will carry you through this time.

amberlight Thu 19-Dec-13 16:10:52

Hugs and prayers

BlessedAssurance Thu 19-Dec-13 17:19:19

Hugs and prayers. DO have you in mind. How are you all doing with the festive seasongrin? I find that i am losing it at work. Christians are so outnumbered there and people who have never read the bible come up with some crazy things about it. I normally shut up and let them get on with it but today i almost went crazy. If people ask me why i believe i tell them only for the them to puh puh my beliefs and say christianity is bollocks, i found it rude.
Today in the tea room i was asked which type of christian i was,note that this guy wanted to have fun and mock, i told him i was the one that shouts I love you Jesus at the top of my voice in church when and if i feel like it. I am the one that raises their hands in the air and sing and shout if i feel like it. The one that believes in Jesus being the Son of God you name it. He said why? I said because i am free, i am loved beyond human understanding, i am full of joy and peace that surpases all undrestanding,peace and joy that no man could have given me even if they tried. Thats why i shout. The lady next to me then said there is no freedom in religion. A religious person can never say they are free and from then on it went downhill.
I came across as stupid simply because i could not explain myself well because inhave only been learning the language for a few years. It wa then i thought of the verse do not argue with a fool lest you become a fool yourself. A fool says there is no God. I smiled because i felt The Holy Spirit comforting me and that i did not need to argue or even defend my Lord. I do not understand why they have to gang up on me, when the muslims start talking nobody tells them to bugger off or that its all lies, whereas they are quite happy to slag off my Lord. Sorry long, just needed a rant.

SunshinemMum Thu 19-Dec-13 18:03:00

Praying for you DO, hope that Bob's assessment goes well and that a bed comes through soon. So sorry to hear your news BES, thoughts and prayers with the family. Well done for standing your ground PA, DH has to put up with this behaviour at work also, but is strengthened by a Christian society there.

I am tentatively asking for prayer for this, as many in our community have been hoping and praying for a different outcome. Please could we pray for the family and friends of a young girl here, whose life has been cut short. Also could I pray for the Church community which has been closely affected. It is a wonderful place and I pray that God will draw people together, to offer ongoing comfort and support all those who are grieving.

amberlight Thu 19-Dec-13 18:40:54

Please may I slip in a prayer for tomorrow for DH, who has had laser surgery on his eye, after two holes were found on the back surface. Tomorrow, operation to seal the bigger one up. He doesn't do well on General Anaesthetic and I am worried.

Dutchoma Thu 19-Dec-13 18:50:01

Praying Amber. I was anyway and will be tomorrow.

GingerCurl Thu 19-Dec-13 21:28:57

Praying for DO and Bob, Blessed, Amber's DH, BES and her neighbour and neighbour's family and loved ones, Tuo and MHD and everyone else who post and/or lurk on this thread and for those are known to us. May we all know God's infinite peace and love.

NoRoomForALittleOne Thu 19-Dec-13 22:49:38

Praying through. Particularly for DO and Bob, Amber and her DH, BES, Blessed and Sunshine.

DO, I pray that you and Bob feel peaceful with the outcome of Bob's assessment.

BlackeyedShepherdswatchsheep Fri 20-Dec-13 17:44:01

oh heck. ds has got the sickness bug now.

Dutchoma Fri 20-Dec-13 18:35:26

Well, that was a turn up for the book! When our Macmillan nurse came on Thursday she told us that the staff had got very concerned for Bob and that they thought it would be a good idea if he came in for a while for assessment of the situation as we were clearly not coping. There was no bed available yesterday and she thought it would be a few days before a bed became available. However, we got a phonecall this morning that a bed was available and the ambulance was with us at 11.15. I left him in their capable hands at 3 o'clock and came home feeling very flat and with a sense that I had fallen down on the job. Deep down I know he will get better care from the professionals than I can give him, and everybody would say the same but...but...

cloutiedumpling Fri 20-Dec-13 18:37:49

Oma - it shines through your posts that you have done everything that you could for Bob. You haven't fallen down on the job at all. <hugs>

amberlight Fri 20-Dec-13 18:54:07

Oma, you are a fab wife and have done precisely the right thing. Sending you a virtual hug. And prayers.
Here, DH has recovered well from his operation. Our thanks to all who prayed.
Prayers continuing for each of you as I read through.

SunshinemMum Fri 20-Dec-13 19:35:04

Good news Amber, glad that is over for DH. Praying for you DO and BES. Ginger curl hope that the pain subsides for good.

Thank you for the prayers too Noroom.

Dutchoma Fri 20-Dec-13 19:38:07

Thank you all.

RunRunRuby Fri 20-Dec-13 21:01:12

Dutchoma I don't know your history but even in the short time I've been on the thread, it has been clear how much you love and care for Bob. This is not a failing on your part at all. I hope that the assessment will help the professionals to come up with the most suitable plan for Bob's care.

amber so pleased that Mr Amber has recovered well.

BES oh dear! I hope he feels better soon.

I'm trying to pray for everyone fsmile my faith is a bit up and down hence the trying to pray, you're all in my thoughts anyway!

OComeAllYeFaithFul Fri 20-Dec-13 21:40:09

Praying through.

Oh DO what you're dealing with is so huge! You have obviously done an amazing job of looking after Bob (or he wouldn't want to stay at home. Seriously my great uncle went into respite for a week while my great aunt went on holiday. He came home for a week then chose to go back to the care home!). It is not that you have failed at all but that the circumstances have changed. The assessment will determine how to best meet his needs. Giving thanks that a bed became available and praying for wisdom as the assessment takes place.

bes I'm so sorry about your neighbour. It must be a terrible shock.

ginger praying for comfort.

amber I'm thankful that it's done, praying for a smooth recovery.

Blessings to all.

niminypiminy Fri 20-Dec-13 22:03:31

On this stormy night I pray that all will be held and comforted by the God who said 'Be not afraid', and that he will hold us safe in his arms till he brings us home. Oma, what you do, and have done, is amazing. Amber, that is very good news that your DH is recovering.

Praying for all who post here and all those whose needs are known only to themselves and God.

NoRoomForALittleOne Fri 20-Dec-13 23:05:52

Oma, if nothing else, I pray that you get plenty of uninterrupted sleep and this helps you to clearly see the situation. You have been keeping going through exhaustion for so long that a short break will help.

Tuo Sat 21-Dec-13 00:00:52

Hello ladies. This is just a very quick message to wish you all a Happy Christmas. I am off to France for a week first thing tomorrow morning, and won't have internet access (much to my children's disgruntlement!) so I will see you after Christmas when I get home. I know I've not been around much recently, but I try to lurk when I can and to pray.

Thinking of everyone on this thread at this special time and praying for blessings on each of us. But I am sure no-one will mind my singling out Oma tonight for special prayers. Oma - as everyone else says - please don't think that you have been anything other than a tower of strength through some hard times. No-one could do more than you do... and it's good that you can maybe get some rest while Bob gets the specialist care that he needs. But of course that's easy to say when you're not the one living through it. So just know that you are not going through this on your own, that our prayers are with you, and that we are thinking of you.

Praying also for MHD to stay out of hospital and enjoy a wonderful Christmas with her family as she so richly deserves. And praying for Amber and Mr Amber - glad the operation went well; you must be relieved. And for BES and her mum, for PA and her family - especially DD3, and for all who visit this thread, whether they post or not. May the thread be a comfort, an inspiration, a source of hope, a light in our darkness...

Dutchoma Sat 21-Dec-13 07:51:36

Just seen this and I'm in floods...

Thank you dear TUO and everybody else who has posted such messages of encouragement.

I did sleep a nearly full 8 hours.

NoRoomForALittleOne Sat 21-Dec-13 08:04:34

Brilliant DO! Now I challenge you to do something today that is not for anybody else but just something that you want to do. You constantly do so much for everyone else and now you have a little chance to do something that you'd like to do. And please know that if you are feeling lonely or finding it difficult, I will drive down and bring some children to liven things up for you!

Dutchoma Sat 21-Dec-13 08:39:42

Oh Room don't tempt me.

NoRoomForALittleOne Sat 21-Dec-13 08:49:17

If you do want me to, say soon and I'll drive during DD3's nap time xx

A very minor thing compared to the big stuff on here but prayers that I can find my get up and go which has got up and left...

I still have services to prepare for but after all the school services and nativity plays (which were great) I'm shattered.

bellsringingoutforMadHairDay Sat 21-Dec-13 10:25:16

Sending all my love Oma - you are a very wonderful lady and do all you can for Bob. I pray for the God of all comfort and peace to be tangibly with you at this time, with Bob too. much love.

Praying for some energy, green!

Praying that TUO has a wonderful week away.

We are doing a big community service this afternoon - 'Bethlehem's Got Talent' - so prayers that it would go well would be great, I'm nervous as I have organised it and hope nothing goes wrong, there is a lot that could!!!

Dutchoma Sat 21-Dec-13 10:26:46

If you lost something Greenheart: where did you last have it and have you prayed to St Anthony for it fgrin

Dutchoma Sat 21-Dec-13 10:29:11

I had a visit from my two former neighbours who came as angels from the Lord, to their total surprise.
I also got a bunch of flowers from Bob's sister and brother-in-law, so the day is definitely looking less like bleak midwinter.

Thanks Room, we will manage it, soon

OComeAllYeFaithFul Sat 21-Dec-13 11:53:14

Oh that's lovely DO!

I have a poorly little girl sad she slept well but when we got her up she'd been really sick and has been sick again this morning. She's napping at the moment and hopefully she'll perk up after that.

Please pray for my neighbours, L and P. He had cancer in his leg surgically removed this year followed by RT. However I found out yesterday it's spread to his brain and they've given him 5-6 months. He's only 68. I can tell his wife is struggling and has lost a lot of weight. They definitely need our prayers!

BlackeyedShepherdswatchsheep Sat 21-Dec-13 13:40:12

prayers do.

I am worrking my way though mountain of washing. vomit and poo. joy.

on the plus side ds was only sick once and recovered after 8 hours sleep.

NoRoomForALittleOne Sat 21-Dec-13 15:31:48

BES prayers for speedy recovery and quick drying laundry!

If anybody has any thoughts about DD3's interesting sleep habit then I'd gladly hear them! I need some wisdom from somewhere and keep praying for it. Maybe you can be the answer to my prayers?

amberlight Sat 21-Dec-13 16:10:35

OComeAllYeFaithful, are they doing cyberknife radiotherapy to the brain? Some local health groups decide not to mention it, because it costs quite a bit. But it has a 80% success rate on tricky cancers. Praying, either way.

OComeAllYeFaithFul Sat 21-Dec-13 17:39:15

I don't know to be honest - it's another neighbour who told me (her DP is L's cousin). I'll wait and see if it comes up when I see them.

I'm in the same boat bes. 4th load of washing today is on and I've got 2 more to do ideally.

niminypiminy Sat 21-Dec-13 20:29:33

Head shaking or rolling is quite common - it's a way of self soothing, and I think feels pleasant to the child, a bit like being in a swing. Young children get a lot of pleasure from inner -ear sensations ( it's only adults who find them nausea-making). You only need to worry if she is banging her head. DS1 used to get up on all fours and rock backwards and forwards so violently it would make the cot travel across the room! He still rolls his head every night aged 10 (for the behaviour to persist this long is very unusual and probably connected to his autism).

So nothing to worry about unless it persists - and even then, not in itself worrying.

Kaykat Sun 22-Dec-13 10:01:54

I am struggling to log on with my phone but reading and praying regularly.

Hugs for you Oma I hope you can get some well earned rest and can do some of the things you normally find difficult but mostly that you won't be lonely.

MHD stay well, keep praying for yourself, not just for others.

I am happy in my new home. There is a CofE church round the corner it looks very popular I am going there for a carol service later.

Totally overwhelmed by everyone who has helped me. A local charity is going to give me a brand new bed before Christmas too it will be lovely having slept on a camping bed for many months.

BlackeyedShepherdswatchsheep Sun 22-Dec-13 10:07:04

here we go again. ds has been sick agaion. same pattern as dd. we aea not going to my mums until tomoow. please pray that I do not get it as christmas relies on me.

on the plus side. the washing has dried reasonably well. one sheet drped over the indoorslide, one over the toy kitchen some left to air on coathangers hanging off the dolls house and various chairs.

ds manageed to be sick mainly on wet wipe packet and in the box shoved under his chin for the purpose. so not to bad to clear up. thank god.

bellsringingoutforMadHairDay Sun 22-Dec-13 13:55:02

Kay I am so pleased you are happy and might have found a good new church, let us know how it goes. How is ds?

Do hope all the sick and poorly dc are better soon.

Praying for Faith's friend sad

Room I am trying to think back but I think dd did a lot of this kind of stuff, and she def had a bald spot where she rubbed her head back and forth, she just kind of grew out of it in the end, I guess it is quite normal. Hope you all get some better sleep soon.

Praying for Oma and Bob.

Our community event went so well yesterday - nearly 60 people so we were thrilled - I know it doesn't sound a lot but when you're not based in a church and trying to get stuff going believe me it's a lot fsmile - it was loads of fun and ran very smoothly. I am absolutely shattered today, dh doing another service this afternoon but too tired to go so going to stay here and MN all afternoon wrap presents. Prayers for you all.

NoRoomForALittleOne Sun 22-Dec-13 15:21:22

Can I ask for prayers for friends of ours who lost their first baby at 23 weeks a year ago today? Whilst nothing can replace their baby, they are expecting again and this seems to be giving them some hope although some anxiety too.

Dutchoma Sun 22-Dec-13 19:08:03

Prayers for your friend Room, that all will go wel