A serious question around 'healing' ie reiki, spiritual, anything like that

(74 Posts)
IndigoBarbie Wed 03-Apr-13 20:44:35

Now, believe me when I say I know how controversial the whole energy healing/spiritual healing/reiki etc is - But I seriously would like to know if those who have tried it, found it beneficial?
OK, I know there will be lots who either don't believe in it, or wish to call people scammers, or those who perhaps didn't feel that reiki or equivalent helped them - but I have a genuine and very serious interest in this.
I am not writing a paper, or anything like that - I am just keenly interested as I would be interested in knowing what might attract you to going to receive a session, and what might put you off. I'm personally not into the whole marketing side where people make very big claims of cures, but I do know of some folks who have been helped whilst receiving energy work treatments.
Just thought I'd ask on here.
Also - for you lovely scientist folks - what do you know about getting tested for energy levels whilst activating the vibes?
Much love my fellow mumsnetters xx

hiddenhome Wed 03-Apr-13 21:01:13

I had Reiki once as I was suffering from a bad back. It was a pile of shite and nothing happened.

Twosugarsplease Wed 03-Apr-13 21:04:19

Hi indigo I had reiki some years ago, and haven't had it since, but I wish I had have been able to have it weekly, at the time I was going through a marriage break up, a huge shock to me and emotionally hard.
I kid you not, the next day I felt like a weight had been lifted, i felt so relaxed and at ease within myself.
People go for this I assume for anything or nothing in particular at all, but she picked up on the area of my heart and how the colour of the chakra was clear this needed help, after 12 yrs of marriage, it was pretty broken, and she helped me for sure.

I learned Reiki to help my sister. It changed my life - it's simple and effective IMHO but complimentary not a replacement for traditional medicine.

This stuff is all woobollocks, and 'works' for non-specific or going-to-get-better-anyway illnesses. Sometimes all a person needs is a bit of indulgence and patience and to be taken 'seriously' and listened to, and whether the woo comes in the form of massage, sacred tapwater or a magical kick up the twinkle, the effect is the same.

But don't waste money you can't afford on this sort of crap.

In your opinion.

CoteDAzur Thu 04-Apr-13 07:29:25

If Reiki, spiritual healing etc are actually effective, they wouldn't need to be "complementary" and could easily replace medicine.

Wouldn't that be great? Instant and predictable effects, no side-effects, no messing with your body's chemistry.

Sadly, They Don't Work, which is why they can only ever be "complementary" - i.e. do it if it makes you feel good as placebo, but don't forget to take your medicine as well, because that is what will really help you heal.

Selks Thu 04-Apr-13 07:38:49

Placebo effect.

Twosugarsplease Thu 04-Apr-13 07:42:50

I agree cote I don't think anyone should rely on reiki for a medical condition, but would reccomend it for more of a healing of the soul, emotions etc.

Smudging Thu 04-Apr-13 08:00:24

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

twosugars well put thanks

usedtobesize8 Thu 04-Apr-13 08:05:10

Definitely the power of belief. By which I mean, if you believe in it, it may help you feel better. But if it was proven to make any physical ailment better, it would be on the NHS as must be a lot cheaper than conventional treatments in some instances.

My MIL is spiritual healer & I wouldn't let her help me, even for free, when I had various problems while pregnant. Suspicious of it as she has failed to help many people in the past, they felt better but it didn't last.

seeker Thu 04-Apr-13 08:05:31

When properly tested none of the complementary therapies have any effect at all.

Bear this in mind when you choose what to spend your money on- a massage or a facial or whatever will give you space and time to relax and focus on yourself if that's something you find hard to do in your normal life. And that will make you feel better. And neither are making false/misleading claims.

Can I suggest you try and find a course rather than just a treatment if funds allow? It will teach you the basics as well as how and why it is a common healing practice.

As with anything "woo" you need to approach it with an open mind. I find it more effective when dealing with emotional issues than physical.

If you have a session, I would advise just relaxing and going with it. Kind of like a hands off massage!

seeker Thu 04-Apr-13 08:30:50

"As with anything "woo" you need to approach it with an open mind. I find it more effective when dealing with emotional issues than physical."

No, you need to approach it with a clear thinking, critical mind. And yes, of course it's mor effective with emotional issues than physical ones!

Sorry Seeker I didn't realise I'd forgotten to put IMO or IME at the end of my post.hmm

OP, you'll always have for and against on a thread like this. I'm sure you know your own mind enough to decide for yourself after reading the differing opinions here.

If you did have an underlying issue that has made you consider complementary therapy I hope you can get the help you need, regardless of the treatment you choose. I say that as someone who relies heavily on prescription painkillers for osteoarthritis but still likes to use alternative therapies. that's why they're called complementary. IMO.

Oh, all the kinds of woobollockery that involves touching the patient tends to promote a feeling of wellbeing, but that's because friendly touch is generally beneficial to people who are unhappy or a bit off colour. So aromatherapy etc is a reasonable complementary therapy to conventional medicine.
But you might be better off booking a straightforward massage instead of paying a lot more to have it served up with extra woo.

TheAccidentalEgghibitionist Thu 04-Apr-13 16:28:38

I had spiritual healing once. I'm not religious and I have a science degree.

I was deeply skeptical but the experience has stayed with me my whole life. It was deeply calming and balancing. I felt like I'd had a two week holiday, I felt utterly refreshed. An amazing experience.

I can't explain it, nor have I tried to.

TheAccidentalEgghibitionist Thu 04-Apr-13 16:30:18

BTW I wasn't touched at all.

PedroPonyLikesCrisps Thu 04-Apr-13 18:15:53

Reiki has been shown to have a positive effect on cancer patients in as much as that they 'feel better', which is a little dubious but could be taken as a positive thing. However, the same studies have also shown that fake reiki had exactly the same effect. So, it could be worth having, but not worth paying an 'expert' for. Plus, you are far better off having a massage or similar which has genuine health benefits as well as the relaxation effect.

Either way, it doesn't have any real, tangible benefits. Any benefits are entirely psychological as with most (all) complimentary practices. It's all just a way for woobollockers to make cash off the gullible.

seeker Thu 04-Apr-13 18:36:06

The focussed, non judgemental, loving attention of another person is hugely beneficial. Touch is hugely beneficial. Having time for yourself is hugely beneficial. Rest is hugely beneficial.

The garden is beautiful- why do we need fairies at the bottoms of it?

CoteDAzur Thu 04-Apr-13 19:25:27

Prayer has also been shown to have positive effects on cancer patients. And it doesn't cost anything.

TondelayoSchwarzkopf Thu 04-Apr-13 19:28:36

The garden is beautiful- why do we need fairies at the bottoms of it?

Love this and plan to steal it.

PedroPonyLikesCrisps Thu 04-Apr-13 19:31:09

We don't need the fairies at all, but sometimes the little buggers just refuse to leave grin

CoteDAzur Thu 04-Apr-13 19:53:54

There is no spoon, Neo smile

IndigoBarbie Thu 04-Apr-13 21:30:43

Thank you to everyone who has responded; I will do my best to update this thread.

hiddenhome have you come to this conclusion because someone claimed that reiki could or would take away your back pain? Do you mean nothing happened: during the session, ie that you didn't feel anything happen or that your back pain still remained afterwards, and you thought it would be helped?

Twosugarsplease I'm glad you felt it helped you, and what you said re the soul and emotions

RememberingMyPFEs How beautiful that you learned this to help your sister, and the effect it has had on you

SolidGoldBrass From your comments I am unsure if you have tried any energy healing before, but you obviously have your opinions based on experience, I surmise that they were not positive then? Also, I am not limiting my question to the actual physical touch experience of energy therapies

CoteDAzur I note you are saying 'they don't work' - is this because they are advertised in a certain way that gives expectation to an outcome?

smudging So you enjoyed it then? I like the way you said 'for general well being'

usedtobesize8 Why would you not let your MIL help you? You said she has failed to help people in the past - They felt better (this is good ?) but it didn't last - how long should feeling good last for? Or, is it a case of it has to be permanent to be seen as effective?

seeker How is the testing done? I understand re the false and misleading claims, but what would make you choose one therapy over another? would it be the idea of time to yourself or, some other feedback and claim from those who might have already tried it, bearing in mind that each of us perceives and values our own experiences in different ways....I don't recall fairies were ever purported to have anything to do with reiki or spiritual energy, but having read more into your analogy my take upon it is that you feel that it's just a bit too woo? Or, if it was just said that you might like to try it for time for yourself, and might make you feel better, would that be more acceptable?

goodjambadjar Has it been the case that you have found emotions are assisted in some way by reiki/energy/whatever that this has perhaps assisted in dealing with the physical? I understand what you are saying re the mainstream medicines alongside the 'complimentary'

TheAccidentalEgghibitionist Would this then prompt you to have another one, or might this experience lead you to an expectation of what might happen should you do it again? I mean, you were doubtful - but yet had a meaningful experience nonetheless. What if the next time you didn't have such a meaningful experience, would it be deemed a waste of time? How could it be measured? But, then, as you say - you haven't tried to explain it, and sometimes there are things we just can't.

PedroPonyLikesCrisps from what you have said, it has been shown to have a positive effect on cancer patients in as much as 'they feel better' but - that sounds good then? Why wouldn't it be worth paying someone? OR should these energies ie reiki be dished out for free for those who might take the chance at feeling good. Is this not a tangible benefit? Does this also mean you haven't tried an energy session for yourself?

Many Thanks all xxx

PedroPonyLikesCrisps Thu 04-Apr-13 22:03:38

It's not worth paying because it's a con. I refuse to give money to someone who waves their arms around and claims to be sending me positive energy because it's bollocks.

You can get exactly the same results from someone with zero training if you believe that they are actually doing the same thing. There are much better ways of 'feeling better' than wasting money on these people.

In fact, you could draw the conclusion that it's actually bad for the cancer patients because they are missing out on getting some proper physiological treatments.

I see the point that if it helps you personally on an emotional level then why not, right? The problem is that it's not going to work for everyone because it's entirely psychological, there's no actual medical benefit and the people performing the 'treatments' are witch doctors, frauds and con artists. These are not people I think should be preying on the vulnerable.

Smudging Thu 04-Apr-13 22:19:05

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

IndigoBarbie Thu 04-Apr-13 22:19:25

Thanks Pedro I know you've given me a lot here, but do you mind me asking how you have come to hold these views?

Hi Indigo.

The Reiki practitioner acts as a conduit for positive "divine" energy. (I can't think of another word for it). The healing energy of the universe flows through and is channelled by the practitioner. They focus on your chakras, the 7 energy points in your body, each point representing a different area, eg, head, heart, throat. A practitioner should be able to tell you the areas they feel the need to focus on in order to provide healing. IME it is more emotional healing but that was my reason for seeing them. They shouldn't have to touch you. The idea is to "clean" your energy centres so you feel more balanced and of course more energetic.
I have also had psychic healing (I love the woo, so sue me) and wasn't expecting much but it was amazing. I think it was one of my first woo experiences, which is why I'm a believer. smile It was like going into a trance, or a really deep sleep, I felt so refreshed. Also, it depends where the person has trained as to whether they are hands on or not.
I agree there are people out there who are happy and willing to exploit peoples beliefs as a way of making some quick cash, which is why if you want a treatment, I would advise contacting a local spiritual centre as they probably have reliable contacts.

HTH

IndigoBarbie Thu 04-Apr-13 22:26:51

goodjambadjar Thank you! I love what you said about your experience and why you are now a believer. Pretty much sums it up smile

DontSHOUTTTTTT Thu 04-Apr-13 22:54:18

These types of treatments can be relaxing but any talk of channeling energy etc etc is an absolute load of rubbish.

seeker Fri 05-Apr-13 06:24:06

Smudging- the only complementary therapy that has ever shown measurable benefits is acupuncture- as acknowledged by the Cochrane Report in (I think) 2009. Further trials since then have even less convincing- the more accurate and properly blinded the trias are he less effective acupuncture becomes. There is a recent paper by Ickers that shows a 5% better pain relief between sham and real acupuncture, which even the reports writer says could easily be explained away by experimental bias.

Reiki is simply a pyramid selling scam.

IndigoBarbie Fri 05-Apr-13 07:45:27

Good morning dontshout can I ask why you feel this way?

seeker Fri 05-Apr-13 08:12:58

Don't want to answer for dontshout, but the reason I feel the same way is summed up by the fact that a 9 year old girl devised an experiment for a science project that proved that there is no "energy" detectable. Have a look at this
Emily Rosa

seeker Fri 05-Apr-13 08:14:29

There's a good example of the placebo effect at the end of that video too. Take particular note of the woman at the end with the tingling hands.

technodad Fri 05-Apr-13 08:15:30

I think Steve Jobs (Apple Computers) used it instead of real medicine. It seemed to work out well for him...

As with all alternative medicine, if it is proven to work, like Willow bark (aka "Asprin") it is called medicine, otherwise it remains "alternative medicine" which in its best use can be a placebo and at worst is deadly.

Some might argue that alternative medicine is beneficial for the wider human population, because it is natural selection in action!

binger Fri 05-Apr-13 08:27:49

I am attuned for reiki healing, all 3 levels. It changed me. I don't think it "cures" physical ailments but I definitely believe it is a fantastic therapy for running alongside traditional medicines. It's great for emotional disorders and for minor ailments.

Before reiki I would suffer from terrible colds/sore throats if anyone so much as sniffed next to me, I've never had a cold since my attunement, years ago now.

I also use it for parking spaces, which can be like gold dust, it's never failed to get me a space!

seeker Fri 05-Apr-13 08:39:05

Did you do it online? grin

technodad Fri 05-Apr-13 09:11:51

If it is so powerful that it can magic you a car park space, have you ever thought of not being so selfish and using it to cure sick African babies?

seeker Fri 05-Apr-13 09:25:41

Or claiming James Randi's million bucks and doing good with it?

Anyone watched my Emily Rosa video yet?

IndigoBarbie Fri 05-Apr-13 09:33:04

interesting, video there. If that happened to me, I might start to question my sense of what I actually was able to sense or feel. Considering that they were more able to discern which hand didn't have the girls hand over - I'd start there and continue to test myself in an attempt to see just exactly what was being discerned.

But, seeker, there are just as many other types of videos on line which appear to show evidence of either proof or not proof. In such aspects like these: what constitutes a proof that ie reiki or other forms of energy work is actually real, or that it has an effect?

For example, I had no clue about energy fields before I had a reiki session, and when I did I was able to feel what must have been the effects of this 'reiki' energy. I'd never felt anything like it in my life before. So, does this mean it doesn't exist? does this mean my senses are askew because there is no such thing? Does this mean I paid money to have a sensation?

I've known those who 'real medicine' hasn't and cannot seem to help, and it leaves them in a state of limbo. No where to turn. It means they start to search for something else, another way to cope perhaps.

PedroPonyLikesCrisps Fri 05-Apr-13 09:41:53

There's one big difference between real medicine and fake treatment. That is that regardless of whether you believe it works or not, real medicine will have an effect on you. Of course not everyone responds to medicine in the same way because we are all different, so a paracetamol may stops one persons headache bit not another's, but I'll he pill will still be having a physiological effect on the patient.

For fake treatment, there's overwhelming evidence that people who believe it works or want to believe it works or are trying to prove that it works are far more likely to feel an effect than those who don't believe it works. This in itself is fairly conclusive to me that it doesn't do anything.

PedroPonyLikesCrisps Fri 05-Apr-13 09:43:24

I had no clue about energy fields before I had a reiki session

What is it that you know about energy fields now then? Does it tie in with what science knows about energy fields?

technodad Fri 05-Apr-13 09:43:45

You still have no clue about "energy fields" they don't exist and are utter bollox.

seeker Fri 05-Apr-13 09:48:52

Indigo, did you watch as far as the placebo effect test at the end? The woman continuing to say she had had side effects even after she was told she had taken a placebo?

IndigoBarbie Fri 05-Apr-13 09:49:32

Pedro not sure, I am learning things for myself and checking in with my science friends at intervals to share learnings.

Technodad do we know each other? Your heart doesn't emit electrical pulses through your body? Is that energy?

IndigoBarbie Fri 05-Apr-13 09:51:57

seeker yes, I did. It made me think that everyone perceives their experiences in a different way. However, the power of suggestion has a part to play in it too? Do you think this too?

I might not be explaining myself very well - so what I mean is that we each experience things in a different way so that's more qualitative and not easy to 'measure' but, some of them had a great experience, and some didn't.

seeker Fri 05-Apr-13 09:52:53

But none of them should have had "an experience" at all.

IndigoBarbie Fri 05-Apr-13 09:55:32

What do you mean by that? Isn't everything we do an experience?

Do you mean they should have a particular repeatable and expected outcome? Therefore, everyone gets the same?

IndigoBarbie Fri 05-Apr-13 09:56:22

I see, so sugar pills wouldn't have been expected to have a particular effect, yet some did report differing points of experience. But, sugar does have an affect on our bodies??

Smudging Fri 05-Apr-13 09:58:31

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

technodad Fri 05-Apr-13 10:02:57

Indigo

The electrical impulse from your heart beat will generate an electromagnetic field, yes. Real scientists invented the ECG to measure and observe this to great effect in real medicine.

I am not sure what this real medicine has to do with the subject in hand though. How do you "feel" this energy field?

You have to be wary of pseudo science that uses very loose and generic terms like "energy field". When I shout I create a field of noise energy. When I rub my hands together I generate a heat energy field. I can "feel" both of these energies.

How exactly do you feel this "energy field" you talk of?

seeker Fri 05-Apr-13 10:09:31

So are you saying that the sugar pills they took actually had the physiological effect of either making them have that best night's sleep they ever had OR gave them loads of energy?

r

IndigoBarbie Fri 05-Apr-13 10:15:29

technodad ok, great questions and certainly ones which I have asked myself before, and continue to do so.

I can feel energies with my hands, and with my mind. Also with my body. Or, at least this is my perceptions of what's going on. I am also aware of changes of temperature, pressure and either feelings of intense high vibrational frequency (which feels like tiny tiny sparkle fluctuations in the air and around me) or some which feel heavier, lower and larger particles. I am not sure that any of this makes great scientific reading. I am, and I do perceive energies around me, and those of others. I don't always have a name for this, but at one time in my life I could feel magnetic energy between my hands, and I could also feel this when carrying out 'energy' work on someone else. It's a journey, and it's an interesting one. As time has gone on more things have become apparent to me, and I am on a huge and steep learning curve, at all times.

tasmaniandevilchaser Fri 05-Apr-13 10:52:36

I think there are a lot of charlatans out there, some well meaning, some probably not.

In my personal experience there are some people who are not charlatans. I met a healer/shaman once, when I was in a terrible, terrible emotional state. I just burst into tears and was sobbing hysterically, when I realised that, for want of a better description, all the hysteria was just being sucked out of me - literally in 2 seconds flat I felt reasonably normal. I realised that he had his hand over my back, not touching and it felt incredibly warm. It was a very big surprise, not something I'd associate with any placebo effect. I went back a couple of times over the next 2 days and very quickly went from very poor mental health to feeling completely normal. In fact I could see the difference in my body - I had an infection in my skin, it was swollen and nothing had made a difference. I'd had it for about 6 months. In a couple of days it healed up completely. He didn't touch me at all or ask for any money.

If I hadn't had that experience I'd be a LOT more sceptical, but as it is I'm a lot more open minded. But I think that kind of person is incredibly rare.

I go for acupuncture, but I see it in the same light as going for a massage, something that relaxes me, sorts me out, gives me more energy. Something that is complementary to medical science, not in place of it.

PedroPonyLikesCrisps Fri 05-Apr-13 12:32:19

indigo when you say you felt magnetic energy between your hands, did your hands stick together?

The thing for me about healing energy is that if someone is doing something that will havea positive mental benefit, this will translate into having positive physiological benefits.
Meditation has been proven to have calming effects on brainwaves and for me, I believe that is what healing is, it helps to induce calming concentration and focus, in a way that is hard to find in the modern world.
I go to a spiritual healing group every couple of weeks. It is donation based, I'm currently low income so I donate four pounds.
I don't go to be 'healed', I go for the opportunity to be still and calm for a couple of hours and for the sense of well being I take away with me.
Saying that though, there have been a couple of occasions, when I have felt something very strongly.
If it's all in my head, why don't I get that feeling every time I go?

seeker Fri 05-Apr-13 14:27:12

"If it's all in my head, why don't I get that feeling every time I go?"

Because it is all in your head, and depends on what else is going on in there.

A more useful question is "if it's real energy of some sort, why don't you get the feeling every time you go?"

Well, for me, it could indeed be about what is going on in the background mentally, or the way someone smells or the interaction of my body temperature with theirs etc.
But for it not happening every time, the people giving the healing vary but I can link two of the powerful occasions to one particular guy. Maybe the way he smells triggers something in me.
I am able and keen to look for other explanations but I still think it would be a worthwhile thing to do to investigate what is the 'real/actual' reason for that experience and whether that could be used for the benefit of people.

PedroPonyLikesCrisps Fri 05-Apr-13 15:18:18

When I go to bed, sometimes I drop off straight away, sometimes I lie there for ages whilst thoughts go through my head (usually quite annoying!). If I considered going to bed to be a 'treatment' of sorts (it's relaxing and physically beneficial to me), I could easily say "sometimes I get a lovely warm feeling all over and drop off to sleep, this must mean that the 'treatment' is spiritually effective". But that's not exactly what's going on. The brain is a fascinating organ which interprets your senses' reactions to the world, it's also fallible and can trick you into 'experiencing' things which aren't there. This could be because of a poor interpretation of a sense, an odd combination of senses or simply a misfiring neuron. Either way, there are much more explainable (and provable in some circumstances) reasons why you might experience something either visually, audibly or physically which relate to the brain rather than by filling in your lack of understanding with a spiritual world.

seeker Fri 05-Apr-13 15:21:10

" I still think it would be a worthwhile thing to do to investigate what is the 'real/actual' reason for that experience and whether that could be used for the benefit of people."

It has been. Endlessly. Placebo.

weegiemum Fri 05-Apr-13 15:26:34

15 months ago, I developed a severe neurological disability which affected my ability to walk, use my hands etc.

At that point we were going to a fairly charismatic church, and loads of people told me they were praying for my healing, that God had told them I'd be healed etc.

One person helped us move house (we needed to, the old house was impossible for me), a few others brought food.

Guess which we found most useful?

Funnily enough, we go elsewhere now for church. A bit more community based, a lot more in the real world!

Selba Fri 05-Apr-13 15:39:58

snake oil

"You have your way, I have my way. As for the right way, the correct way, and the only way, that does not exist."

Actually, the human body and mind are quite good at healing themselves in quite a lot of cases. If you get a cold, or the shits, or a bit of a tummy ache, or a minor injury, you will generally get better whether or not you employ any woo. TBH, with minor illnesses and injuries, you will generally get better whether or not you employ any actual, proper, proven medical treatment, though it might take a bit longer and might involve a bit more temporary discomfort.
One way in which woo therapies benefit the stupid people who are not very well informed about health is that a decent con artist peddling this stuff will have some rudimentary health knowledge and will also advise the whining, not-really-seriously-ill patient to eat better food, take exercise, relax, get fresh air, and will be able to project an air of kindness, sympathy and calm along with the sugar water and hand-waving. Advice delivered in soothing tones along with a side-helping of mystical bollocks is often better recieved than a pressed-for-time GP saying 'Try eating less rubbish and take a vitamin pill... Next!'

Basically, practitioners of this crap fall into three categories - crook, psychopath or well-meaning idiot. You're best off with the crook who wants your money, as it is in his/her best interests to keep you happy and as well as possible. The well-meaning idiot might be the cheapest option, but may not be good at convincing you you are getting something 'real'. The psycho will be the dangerous one who tries to make you refuse genuine necessary treatment such as chemo or surgery on the grounds that the power of prayer will be more effective.

DontSHOUTTTTTT Sun 07-Apr-13 13:48:15

Excellent post Solid

PedroPonyLikesCrisps Sun 07-Apr-13 17:09:16

I go for regular massage therapy for my shoulders, this works great because there's a real befit to massage itself. What annoys me though is when after the treatment they tell me to drink lots of water as it will help remove the toxins from my body. Crock of poo! Of course it's good to drink plenty of water and it probably perks me up a bit after feeling a bit sleepy from the relaxation of the massage, you don't need to make stuff up to encourage me to drink!

As it happens, they don't always say it and other than that they are quite normal.... I think what's actually happening here is that the masseuse has been told something about 'toxins' and just gives it as friendly 'advice' occasionally rather than it being a proper recommendation post treatment.

IndigoBarbie Mon 08-Apr-13 16:04:27

Lots to catch up on. Interesting to read everyone's posts. I will try to get some time tonight to respond properly.
Pedro, the toxins thing - doesn't it relate to the movement through the lymph glands? or something like that? The magnetic hands - not stick together, but be drawn together and then repel each other; would probably be a more accurate description, or the best I can offer by ways of my perception.

ICBINEG Thu 11-Apr-13 10:48:53

SGB sorry but that was an awesome post....also the reiki as a pyramid scheme is very apt.

In answer to the OP...lots of people have tried reiki and found it beneficial, all of those people would have gotten even more benefit from a treatment that actually worked.

Spend your money on things that work.

IndigoBarbie Tue 16-Apr-13 21:43:50

Thank you to everyone who took the time to contribute to the thread. Makes for very interesting reading, and I do appreciate it

mylittlepuds Sat 20-Apr-13 22:14:02

I haven't read up thread but I had reiki for anxiety. I was in a desperate place. It didn't work at all. However the woman doing it seemed a bit of a jack of all trades. Not a nasty woman - just not committed to it. She did a whole barrage of stuff.

specialsubject Sat 20-Apr-13 22:39:12

This discussion has been worth it for the use of 'woobollocks' alone.

which is if course what all these snake oil things are. And the 'crook, psycho or idiot' categories are well worth remembering. Happens with diets too - the only way to control weight long-term is the obvious 'eat properly, move more' which makes no-one any money.

I used to take a homeopathic remedy for a minor ailment, and felt that it helped somewhat. Then I read up on homeopathy - and the remedy stopped working. I think I have proved the placebo effect!

specialsubject Sat 20-Apr-13 22:40:23

ps re toxins - your body deals with those all by itself, how clever. You have organs including bladder, kidneys, liver and rectum. Unfortunately some use the last for speech...

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