Your Thoughts on This Religious Ad in Local Newspaper?

(74 Posts)
headinhands Fri 29-Mar-13 09:58:37

Here

Its pretty much on the front cover apart from an advertising sleve promoting a new local superstore. Isn't it a bit dodgy that there is nothing to suggest it's an advertisement by way of no info at the bottom to state as such. Doesn't it appear to be merely an endorsement of the newspaper? Would the newspaper have been as happy to have run a similar ad for a different religion or indeed a rejection of religion? I dunno I just find it irritating that in 2013 we still have this.

hiddenhome Fri 29-Mar-13 10:56:27

Spreading the Christian message? Shocking isn't it?

infamouspoo Fri 29-Mar-13 10:59:04

how would people react if it was for islam or wicca?

headinhands Fri 29-Mar-13 11:09:37

Hidden you don't think there's a problem with it not having any further details attached? That people can advertise things without it being clear who has paid for the ad. I think in most other circumstances the newspaper would want it to be clear that it was a third party. How would you feel if there was a similar anonymous ad endorsing a different religion or anything else for that matter. Would you be happy about that?

hiddenhome Fri 29-Mar-13 11:11:21

If it didn't interest me, I'd just ignore it naturally.

headinhands Fri 29-Mar-13 11:16:16

Fairness does interest me and it appears the rules are different for certain groups.

headinhands Fri 29-Mar-13 11:17:46

It's the fact that it tries to not look like an ad that bothers me. It's misleading.

LynetteScavo Fri 29-Mar-13 11:18:39

I'd think "whatever", and briefly wonder who thought depicting Jesus with that hairstyle was a good idea. It's a bit Barry Manilow.

LynetteScavo Fri 29-Mar-13 11:20:04

How to you consider it misleading, headinhands?

It doesn't look like a news article to me.

headinhands Fri 29-Mar-13 11:20:39

Maybe it's not even about Jesus. Maybe it's some guy who did a life insurance scam job by faking his own death, and now he's used this clever ad to let his wife know he's coming back after a dodgy makeover.

Startail Fri 29-Mar-13 11:21:35

As long as the paper is happy to accept humanist/athiest adds like the London bus ones I don't see a problem.
It reminds you to buy yourEaster eggs and not try and go shopping on Sunday.

headinhands Fri 29-Mar-13 11:25:14

There's no affiliation. I would have thought there'd be 'come to our church' type gubbins on it, there's nothing to say it's not merely the opinion of the newspaper themselves. I thought that was a no-no? Maybe I'm wrong? So there's nothing to stop me doing similar anonymous ad promoting hypnotherapy? Seems wrong.

hiddenhome Fri 29-Mar-13 11:27:18

All newspapers peddle 'opinions'.

LynetteScavo Fri 29-Mar-13 11:28:05

The wording is a bit odd

"if applicable Good Friday" (Why wouldn't Good Friday be applicable)? confused and "you will be ready."

Will I really? Not if I've become a Muslim before then.

headinhands Fri 29-Mar-13 11:31:42

I loved that 'if applicable'. It reads like a tax return!

headinhands Fri 29-Mar-13 11:33:22

'and you will be ready for me' sounds a tad threatening. It's like 'I'm coming up stairs in a minute and your room will be tidy'.

headinhands Fri 29-Mar-13 11:34:34

Yes but there's rules about the peddling hidden.

infamouspoo Fri 29-Mar-13 11:34:48

lol at Barry Manilow hairstyle. Maybe he's releaesing a new album grin

LaLaGabby Fri 29-Mar-13 11:36:10

Lynette, I think the wording was written down like that so that the person doing the ad layout would put 'tomorrow' on Thursday and 'Good friday' the rest of the week, unfortunately they messed it up. grin

LynetteScavo Fri 29-Mar-13 11:37:26

I'm off to Google to find out if Barry released a new album yesterday, or in some places today......

LynetteScavo Fri 29-Mar-13 11:38:23

LaLaGabby, I think you're right, which makes it really funny. grin

That is the best creepy-stalker ad ever!
Seriously the whole thing is demented. I'm not sure really what else to think except Arf!

Monstermuncher Fri 29-Mar-13 11:39:45

Bad choice of photo. He looks like Peter Sutcliffe (aka Yorkshire Ripper). I dont have an issue with it but the picture and the wording make it a bit odd to say the least

LadyKinbote Fri 29-Mar-13 11:42:32

That advert is so amazingly bad it almost makes me want to join Christianity despite a lifetime of atheism! So it's clearly done the trick grin

LizzyDay Fri 29-Mar-13 11:52:19

That is hilarious . Creepy and ungrammatical. Good to see he didn't forget to have his eyebrows shaped before the pic was taken too.

Quite disappointed he doesn't feature in our local paper sad - I'd like to pin a copy on the fridge for whenever I'm fed up.

LizzyDay Fri 29-Mar-13 11:53:19

oh yes he does look like Peter Sutcliffe shock

Gingerdodger Fri 29-Mar-13 12:01:38

So bad it's comical! Looks like it was dredged back from the 1970s!

I would have thought that it would have been better to have had links to local churches so that those who found it 'applicable' knew they were welcome in those places if they wished.

I don't see anything offensive about it though, but then neither could I if it was advertising another faith or atheism. There was loads of atheist 'adverts' on the buses a year or two back. Never offended me, can't even remember what they said.

Think the only one who should be offended by this is Jesus, for being presented as a Barry Manilow lookalikey who speaks like a tax returns officer....but then we know he would turn the other cheek. [grins]

LizzyDay Fri 29-Mar-13 12:04:22

But I do agree with you OP that it's odd from an editorial point of view.

It should be made clear if it's an ad - maybe the subs thought it wouldn't be 'respectful' or something to put 'advertisement' on the border??

If it IS the editor's own little indulgence and not an ad, then definitely hmm ...

headinhands Fri 29-Mar-13 12:11:43

No, yeah, no, that's the issue. I'm not offended just surprised you can run ads that look like it's the editors opinion and that be okay. But I bloody love a bit of Manly Barrilow from time to time.

Abra1d Fri 29-Mar-13 12:14:16

How dreadful that someone puts a Christian advert in a newspaper on Good Friday of all days.

LizzyDay Fri 29-Mar-13 12:16:47

I lurve Barry...
"Spirits move me, every time I'm near you
Whirling like a cyclone in my mind
You're my life line, angel of my lifetime
Answer to all answers I can find"

Maybe Baz IS the new messiah shock

LizzyDay Fri 29-Mar-13 12:20:24

"Just One Voice,
Singing in the darkness,
All it takes is One Voice,
Singing so they hear what's on your mind,
And when you look around you'll find
There's more than
One Voice,

Singing in the darkness,
Joining with your One Voice,
Each and every note another octave,
Hands are joined and fears unlocked,
If only
One Voice
Would start it on its own
We need just One Voice
Facing the unknown,
And that One Voice
Would never be alone
It takes that One Voice."

OMG I think we're on to something!

headinhands Fri 29-Mar-13 12:28:41

Abra, it's that there's nothing to suggest it's an advert. You're missing the point Wouldn't have even noticed if it was obviously an ad.

Hmm, slightly creepy especially "You will be ready" and funny, particularly "if applicable" grin And sure OP, you'd think there'd be some clue who it was sponsored by ?!

Snorbs Fri 29-Mar-13 12:37:09

Is that supposed to be Jesus? Looking remarkably white for a middle-eastern Jew, isn't he?

thegreatestMadHairDayinhistory Fri 29-Mar-13 12:52:59

arf at Manly Barrilow

Badly done with terrible picture and serious editing issues. 'you will be ready' sounds creepy. I wouldn't have a problem with this if it was good, being a Christian and all that. But it's not really, is it <facepalm>

PedroPonyLikesCrisps Fri 29-Mar-13 13:15:45

I, for one, will be keeping all my windows and doors locked this weekend. I don't want Barry Manilow coming for me.

PearlyWhites Fri 29-Mar-13 13:46:02

I assume you will be declining to take Friday off work seeing as Good Friday offends you so much.

sieglinde Fri 29-Mar-13 13:52:11

I agree it's appalling, but don't see that it's more than tasteless and weird.

headinhands Fri 29-Mar-13 14:03:57

Maybe I forgot to mention my issue with the ad, it's that it's made to look like it's just something the Ed. has stuck in as opposed to a paid for advertisement. Has anyone here said they're offended? Would it be equally okay for me to put an ad in next week promoting crystal healing and make the ad look like it was the newspaper's own feelings as opposed to a third party? I thought that was naughty? I have little idea of the law about these things. In hindsight I should have put this on the legal board.

LizzyDay Fri 29-Mar-13 14:09:15

I can't see anyone except the BBC being constrained by this - if it's a privately owned publication I think they can do what they like as long as it's not breaching laws such as those to do with inciting hatred, profanity, indecency, etc.

Whether it would be a good PR move for a local paper which presumably wants to attract sales from a wide section of the local community is another question.

infamouspoo Fri 29-Mar-13 14:16:31

will he be wearing his white sequenned suit, our Baz?

LynetteScavo Fri 29-Mar-13 17:04:21

On Easter Sunday, he'll definitely be wearing a white suit.

PedroPonyLikesCrisps Fri 29-Mar-13 20:25:57

Head, it sounds like people are jumping to some pretty strange conclusions about your concern for this ad without any evidence to support their theories (boy, that sounds familiar....). But for what it's worth, I'm with you on this one, I thought there were rules about advertisement indication in print to avoid potential confusion between advertising and news stories (like if your advert showed a fictional plane crash for example).

greencolorpack Fri 29-Mar-13 20:30:28

I don't like the picture. Nobody knows what Jesus was meant to look like so the idea of him being all hippyish and beardy just reflects a certain fashion at a certain time. Early iconography had him as clean shaven (think the Hinton st Mary mosaic) so I resent anyone trying to make out they know what he looks like.

Apart from that... Well why not?

It's laughable.

Zombie Jesus: He died for your sins, now he's coming back for your braaaaiiiinnnsss.

twentythirteen Fri 29-Mar-13 20:36:40

grammar!!! Sorry, I know that's not your point. I agree with you op.

Gingerdodger Fri 29-Mar-13 21:19:10

Is it definitely an advert? If so then I think you are right.

If it's something the paper has chosen to publish then I am not sure that there is anything to prohibit the publication. All newspapers publish f

Gingerdodger Fri 29-Mar-13 21:24:07

Argh. Reaching over for glass of wine moment.

All newspapers publish from a perspective. My own local newspaper is somewhere to the right of Margaret Thatcher so I choose not to buy it. Seems somewhat odd decision though. Is it a free newspaper?

HellesBelles396 Fri 29-Mar-13 21:27:55

I disagree with the op:

bottom right of front page is a classic advertising position

the slot has a border of a type that editorial in news never does

no news sub-editor worth their salt would have "good Friday" in an article

the type is way too big for editorial

the layout is completely wrong for editorial

nobody in their right mind would think that was editorial - which makes me suspect that the placer of the advert was in fact the op who is disseminating it now via MN!

don't just be afraid of ethnically-unrealistic and grammatically-incapable jesus-wannabe stalker man but of his marketing mastermind!

PedroPonyLikesCrisps Fri 29-Mar-13 22:08:32

No one in their right mind would expect a fresh takeaway coffee to not be hot enough to burn you, but they still have to put a warning on the cup.

LizzyDay Fri 29-Mar-13 23:06:09

Well it seems I was probably wrong in my earlier post - from Wikipedia Advertorial :

"Legal issues

In the UK, the Advertising Standards Authority requires advertorials to be clearly marked as such. In one case, the Scottish newspaper The Herald published a feature titled "Professional Brief" that had been submitted by Glasgow-based French Duncan Chartered Accountants. According to a complaint, it did not clearly indicate that it was a paid advertisement. The newspaper argued that, because it was a "sponsored column" and it was indicated that the opinions expressed were those of the author, it did not have to refer to it as an advertisement. The ASA responded that, because payment was given in exchange for the publication of the columns and because the content was provided by the marketers rather than the newspaper, they considered the columns advertisements and required that they indicate as much.[4]"

Naughty Jesus / Barry!

HellesBelles396 Sat 30-Mar-13 06:57:26

it only needs to be marked if it looks like editorial - the one we're discussing looks nothing like editorial. not even remotely.

HelleBelles, it doesn't look like editorial but it could easily be an informative box-out - something reminding you to put the clocks forward, a tide table, a list of useful telephone numbers, bus timetable, notification that there is a competition on p37 - any manner of useful at-a-glance facts or small 'house ads' that could be included on the front page to fill some space.

I think it's a bit weird. I wouldn't be happy putting it on my front page, paid or not.

bootsycollins Sat 30-Mar-13 07:42:28

Is Peter Sutcliffe being released from prison this weekend? Looks like Peter Tobin too, is it an advert from neighbourhood watch warning us to be eggsta vigilant with home security this weekend? grin

HellesBelles396 Sat 30-Mar-13 07:50:01

except it's blatently not.

Tee2072 Sat 30-Mar-13 07:53:20

Why is Jesus always white? It's ridiculous, considering where he was supposedly born.

And my thoughts are that it is so patently ridiculous as to not matter who placed the 'ad'.

PedroPonyLikesCrisps Sat 30-Mar-13 09:02:57

except it's blatently not. Not to you, maybe. Probably not to most people who'll see it. But rules are rules whether you think they are stupid or not (see coffee comment above).

If some whacko took it to be fact and started up a suicide cult and a load of people died and this 'advert' got blamed, there'd be a lot of egg required to paint faces with.

Sounds stupid, but weirder things have happened and newspapers have been sued for much less.

HellesBelles396 Sat 30-Mar-13 09:12:45

to summarise:

some manipulative loon might take a particularly poor and uninspiring example of an advert and build a cult around it?

and this would somehow be prevented by having the word advert printed at the top of it?

imho this thread is bizarre.

if you want to get upset about newspapers, what about adverts enticing people to surgically "improve" their bodies or the fact that several papers still allow gratuitous nudity?

HellesBelles396 Sat 30-Mar-13 09:19:01

and pedro that advert doesn't contravene any rules -

it is not inflammatory,

some might argue that it is factually incorrect but a court is unlikely to rule against faith-groups sending messages about their holy times,

it isn't presented as editorial,

it doesn't show or promote anything illegal,

yes it's creepy, badly designed and set - that doesn't make it against the rules.

bootsycollins Sat 30-Mar-13 09:24:48

Jesus has really let himself go

PedroPonyLikesCrisps Sat 30-Mar-13 10:01:05

But it's still an advert and adverts should be labeled as such. Why should a religious group be allowed to circumvent the law?

headinhands Sat 30-Mar-13 10:02:04

I don't feel upset. I just thought ads needed to be clear they were paid for. But as I said I'm not knowledgable in these things. So in theory I could run an ad that had a picture of a crystal with the words 'crystals are good for you, get loads of crystals and you'll feel better' or something and there wouldn't have to be the word 'advertisement' on it or have the sponsor named anywhere? Seems bizarre but heyho.

HellesBelles396 Sat 30-Mar-13 12:34:55

adverts do not have to be labelled.

HellesBelles396 Sat 30-Mar-13 12:38:55

headinhands - if it was set to look like editorial then it would need to be labelled as an advert.

claims of healing would need to be supported by a testimonial or research.

HellesBelles396 Sat 30-Mar-13 12:43:32

pedro they haven't circumvented the law.

it's an advert

it looks like an advert (albeit or poor design and content)

it's in an advertising position.

there is no issue with it other than that the wording is creepy, the grammar is poor and the layout appalling. oh, and Jesus probably didn't look like a white man. none of which is against the law or advertising standards.

if a newspaper refused to run it because it advertises Christianity, that would be against the law - discrimination rather than advertising standards.

LizzyDay Sat 30-Mar-13 12:47:00

The problem seems to stem from the lack of any information about who has placed the ad though, leading to confusion about its origin.

Whoever wrote the ad presumably wanted the woo-factor of making it seem as though Jesus himself had phoned up the ad desk to flag up his imminent return. Or even as if the piece had mysteriously appeared on the presses all by itself.

BoulevardOfBrokenSleep Sat 30-Mar-13 12:54:30

Whoa, that's creepy! Quoted from the non-canonical Stalker Gospel presumably?

But it does look different enough from a newspaper article not to fall foul of the regs IMO.

Grammatically incorrect, slightly threatening and with a creepy picture looking like a tamed neanderthal. Just the sort of thing I like to line the cat litter tray with.

I'm slightly surprised in this day and age (with rules for everything after all) that it can say "I'm alive and I'm coming back" and "You will be ready" without any explanation or disclaimer type thing - even the word "advert" ?

IndigoBarbie Mon 01-Apr-13 16:45:36

The image used is by an artist Akiane:
www.artakiane.com/ the painting is named prince of peace

EllieArroway Mon 01-Apr-13 19:19:34

I don't want that bloke coming into my life no matter who he is!

PedroPonyLikesCrisps Mon 01-Apr-13 19:23:58

You should be ok if he hasn't turned up yet. But just to be sure you might want to check for any rocks or stones in your garden which aren't where they used to be....

specialsubject Mon 01-Apr-13 19:27:15

I'd have a good laugh at the obvious blunder, and then buy another paper.

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